Painkiller Already - PKA 530 w FilthyRobot Gorilla Glue Lady, Space Settlement, Gina Carano Cancelled

Episode Date: February 16, 2021

Thank you already episode 530 Our guest Filthy Robot Taylor This episode of PKA is brought to you by SmartMouth and Squarespace A couple of familiar names we'll talk more about them later So Filthy I'm interested Are you still Last time after I think we finished the show

We kept talking as we often do And you were like Have you guys seen this shit I don't remember if it was after the show Or at the very end and then you turned around And you showed like one of those soulless office fronts where it's like the long, the window that has like wire as if someone's going to punch through it and needs to be protected. And I was just, it made me so sad. Are you still in that situation or have you escaped?

No, I've escaped thankfully. I'm back home. I have fiber now at home. Congrats. Yeah. Weirdly, just kind of coincidentally, I signed up for Starlink months ago. And I got an email like two days ago being like, Starlink is coming to your area. Are you interested?

And I'm kind of like, now I'm torn because I spent like six months getting home from the fucking office. I finally have a business fiber connection here that works and has great support for it. And now I'm like, do I check out starlink now and go back help me out is what is starlink the elon musk like magical internet yeah magical internet why would you change your head yeah i know why would i change but i kind of want to check it out don't you want to check it out is it better i kind of like it's satellite or something right yeah but imagine like elon musk satellite oh so it's satellite in the back here this ain't that back in your yard little fucking dish shit this is fucking elon musk this is the richest man in the world sending you internet from above this is this

is how fast presumably i can use it to travel to mars directly wow i'm assuming. Dude, I'm not even tempted. Faster than a doge. Is that the dog? Yeah. Dude, I don't need a dog on Elon Musk. I am very proud of him also being a human. I was going to call him American. I think he is, but he's in

South Africa. But is he American now? I don't even know. I don't even know. I don't know. But he lives in California or Texas or something. He's ours. I'm taking him. That would be an awesome thing for America to do. Give out citizenship unrequested to successful people and retroactively claim accomplishments in the Hall of America.

I fucking love it. You know Tesla was American. He's never even been. Shut up. Queen Elizabeth, one of the most beloved American citizens I love that he's out there Doing shit like even PayPal

Which is kind of just like a cheesy online Bank in some ways You know grease the slides of e-commerce And brought us into the digital age PayPal's huge He's on Rogan again I was just actually listening to him before this. I listened to some highlights. And so, like, I like him.

But I'm also very hip to the idea that he just says shit. You know, he just says shit to secure the next round of financing and gather a little more excitement. And you can't take... Can we really say that? Can we not take a little bit look at some of the accomplishments of these companies and the things they're aiming to do? How many times has he been to Mars?

And how many Cybertrucks are on the road? How's the Tesla as a car? Generally considered a fairly impressive feat of engineering, I feel like. I see a lot of them now. Dude, I like the Tesla. Well, I like... I couldn't nitpick. But I like what he's doing with Tesla.

I love what he's doing with Tesla, right? But I like what he's doing with Tesla. I love what he's doing with Tesla, right? Like Tesla more than perhaps every other car company combined is moving cars into the electric age, right? So that's cool. I like it. I think people, I don't know. You have to have one to know how good it really is.

So it's cool. I'm glad he's doing that. And that is perhaps his most notable accomplishment. Some people would look at SpaceX landing rockets. I guess like cheaper rockets is great but it hasn't led to much I don't know reusable part of it that people like so much right where it's like what cheaper is yeah really use a lot and you just something's going to turn thinking though like the idea of not not you tell her something woody sorry to cut you off didn't need to insult you taylor i was gonna say i think it's cool on tesla's how uh isn't the storage part in the front trunk

yeah they call it a frunk yeah i like that i do too but anyway back to the argument i i feel like we're not even arguing We're just stressing different parts of the equation. Tesla is great, but... I use that line on my wife all the time. We're not arguing, baby. We're just stressing different sides of the equation. Always goes down well, Woody. So that's a good start. Keep going.

He reduced launching things into space by over 30%. It's two-thirds the cost of what it was before. Hundreds of dollars. That's the least exciting part of Space Train. Why he's doing this. The idea because if you get to be interplanetary, you get to survive extinction-level events

that would wipe out your one fucking planet. You don't think that's a worthwhile goal to be advancing? Sure. You could yell it as market hype. Sure. But it's a fucking great goal. And I don't see anyone else doing anything like that for this. Well, other people are talking about it doing even less. But the idea that we're like surviving an extinction level event by populating Mars, I think is a silly, silly thought. Even Earth as a post-nuclear fallout place, Earth as a climate change problem is still closer to what humans need than Mars is fresh.

No, no, no. It depends on the type of event we're talking about. If we're talking about something like Tunguska where it was like a city killer. That's not even a thing. That's not even a thing. I would have heard of it. A very rare extinction of the return of dinosaurs dinosaurs that's the rock that hit siberia it's a more personal extinction flattened an enormous area and it was like uh it like a city killer size uh asteroid or whatever it was they hit but if you're talking about something like what took out the dinosaurs um what's it called um i can't remember the name of

the do we know a million or a hundred percent that it was asteroids yeah a hundred percent we know we know where the asteroid hit i just didn't know if it was like water but it could have been both you can see where you can see the uh the outline of the impact crater oh i wanted i wish i could remember the name i just watched a documentary about it. That's what killed them all. Cause we like find them in that layer of sediment. Like they all. All right.

So, so you've got, so as you look into the, the fossil record, you, it's like dinosaurs, dinosaurs, dinosaurs.

And then there's this thin layer of like heavy metals or whatever that came from the asteroid impact and no more dinosaurs ever. Based on my understanding of science, which is like bad grade high school, I think Mars... Don't discount the Star Wars that you watch these days. Touche. But

the day that comet hits Earth or asteroid, they're the same thing, probably. Nah, well. It is still closer to human habitable than Mars is right now. Sure, but what he told me, and you think about it this way, right? We have to start taking steps down that road to ever get to a point where Mars, for example, would be the second home that would survive that, right? Or the second settled spot.

We got to do that. We got to make those steps. You're right. Right now, sure. Mars is not a particularly habitable place it's no way it's no way near something that we could survive on right now but that's the importance of doing something like this of starting this because we don't have any protection for right now if that happens we should be starting like that like we should be building stuff at the moon first getting our sea legs and then move on to mars That's why he wants to make a side moon project,

because he can do that way faster. The way I look at it, I do like the idea of just going to Mars and putting a man's footprints on the planet. I love that idea. I would, as down on the United States as I am these days, I would like it to be an American boot.

Based on the Woody plan, they'll be American the second they step off the spaceship. Is this the next picture on Gold? There you go. Shut up, filthy. I think now is going to be now an American citizen. I'd love to see that. But I think what's more important to look at

is all of the technologies that will come along from the effort to get there like like with the the initial space race and the moon landings and stuff we got everything from like velcro to all sorts of freeze-dried foods to like teflon like like lots and lots of technologies were developed for that and then they trickled down into the consumer space and just really pumped up our economy for decades to come. A big part of American technocracy was based on the space race and it still is to some extent.

And I think another- I think virtual reality porn. Six months alone in your cabin. I don't know about VR. I don't know about that. But yeah, I think that the effort to get to Mars, especially if Elon could get more federal funding lately, I say turn on the fucking money faucet for the guy.

Let's see what he can do. The thing that really got me on his side was watching that little documentary about him when he was trying to get the reusable rockets to work. And they finally got him to work and he he's like openly weeping like watching his rocket land because it was one of the i don't remember the the numbers but it was like he had failed over and over and like every time he was failing it was costing him like 20 or 40 million dollars and i mean he had a lot of money but you can't lose 20 or 50 40

million dollars every two months indefinitely you can now but at the time he can now yeah at the time he couldn't quite quite manage that and it was like all right we can do this maybe one or two more times after this let's hope this fucking works and it worked and he's just like openly crying just just so happy like it's clearly like not just a business venture for the guy it's a passion project what's the documentary called i don't know if you if you searched elon musk documentary you'd find it i uh yeah earth is better because elon musk is on it. By and large. You can nitpick. But on the whole. Earth is better because Elon Musk is here. And maybe the hype. And disingenuous salesmanship.

Is just the only way to do this. The only way to. Fucking sell Tesla 3s. And secure another round of financing. In today's world is to pitch an imaginary cyber truck and not deliver maybe they could still deliver they could um and when's it due and when how about that semi didn't wasn't the semi from like he's been shipping those semis like that it will look nothing like what was initially proposed.

He said it'll be goofy as shit and stupid and it won't live up to the hype. You know, look, here's my thoughts on what Matt Farrah said. I think that Matt doesn't like electric cars. I think that he'll tell you, oh yeah, yeah, they're great. They have a purpose. There is a niche

for them. And what he's really thinking is like, I want fucking raw horsepower i want to hear the rat tat tat of a fucking high compression engine i want to hear rev i want to redline things i he likes gasoline power he likes internal combustion and i do too like there's a lot to be said about that there's a smell there's a feel there's a there's a lot about internal combustion that's just i don't know i connect i would imagine i'd like those more too like when you would like rev up my race car and you'd hear that pop pop pop pop pop and you're like oh my god this thing's burning 110

octane it's fucking 500 horsepower it's doing a quarter mile in nine seconds or whatever the fuck this thing is sick and you don't really feel that in a in a tesla right it's just like this is a this is a spaceship this thing is just gonna go feel it in a different way joe rogan seems to think this is preposterous you know he's like he like, I forget how he phrases it, but he's like, you see all these cars? And Joe Rogan's a car guy. So he's like, this is a Porsche 911 Carrera or something, you know, a good 911. I don't know him that well. This is a McLaren.

And he's like, the fastest of all of them is that dad car over there, the Tesla. The one that looks like a Honda Civic. It's the quickest of them all. It is. over there, the Tesla, the one that looks like a Honda Civic. It's the quickest of them all. The way that it pulls you in the back of the seat is preposterous in Joe Rogan language. It sounds cool. If it's reliable

and it was... I'm sorry, who's the deep voice guy who tells wonderful stories? Also a car guy. Vin Wiki, right? wiki is you're talking about yeah um you know he describes it as an appliance car right for him it has no heart it doesn't have a beating soul i don't know why the soul beats and the heart doesn't but you know but uh you know like it's just an appliance nostalgia sure but i this is there's a place for an

appliance of i don't like my kitchen mixer to have a heart and a soul i want to just work fridge but you're not you're not messing with my wife or my wife's mother who has like every every kitchen accessory you could ever want and she's got like the perfect tool for the perfect situation of cooking kind of deal and that's her passion and she's got everything you could ever have with that it's the same deal here you got a car guy who loves cars telling him that you're going to take away his cars and give him the next generation of this and he says well i like my old cars better no shit you know like i i don't know like what what are we seeing if we look at this objective we step away from like the nostalgia of the the the gasoline engine we look at performance we look at intelligence we look at environmental

impact we look at you know what do you want to look at that you would be like we'll mark this one off as a win like it just seems insane to me to be like nostalgia should carry this backwards you know i mean i don't know what you're disagreeing with it's not gonna i mean these people maybe you don't know the people referencing they're like car like every all the content they make is about cars and so of course their preferences are going to be like well yeah i grew up with xyz i prefer this uh i don't think they would be like fuck tesla for trying to change what we're doing you you take that electric car we don't take kindly to fishing vehicles around here i tell you right back where

you're from sailor like no that they wouldn't say that but i we skip past the space thing i feel like everybody's always talking about mars which is important but like we went to the moon and we didn't do anything with it the moon is big enough and close enough that if we wanted to run like dry runs all right how are we going to build this dome how are we going to grow stuff how are we going to do xyz are we going to transport the right kind of oh it's a good thing we did it here first to kind of play test it the scenario before we delivered all this to mars we're gonna why don't we do something like that nobody's talking with them anymore i think it's because so a lot of the practice stuff they can do you know as far as like living in domes and stuff they do out in the desert and oh no that's so stupid no well it's incredibly effective and go to the one one one one thousandth

of the cost but um you know it just just it's more about the psychological stuff i think he means not nearly as cool and exactly you have no count but the thing about going to the moon is like what what are you you're not going to be sustainable on the moon because there's no liquid water at all right it's it's it's there's none and there's no we'll just ship it up well we'll we'll make all right a very long tube right a space straw that's called a hear me out hear me out i've just i've tried to teach you guys several times that poop and dirt are the same thing. So all you need to do is send up people and food and they will make dirt. If you get a big enough colony

eventually the whole moon is covered with a couple inches of dirt and you can grow farms. You would have to ship it up there. The water just comes from the sky. Silly. Well there's no atmosphere on the moon.

I mean, I. So, so Mars has frozen water, though, like, and they think lots and lots of frozen water. There's no atmosphere on Mars. What's that? There's no atmosphere on Mars, is there? There's very little atmosphere on Mars because it doesn't have quite the iron core and it does, so therefore it doesn't have the magnetic field and solar winds blew it away a billion two billion years ago or something all right well regrettably your explanation about the desert does make a lot of sense but they're not understanding how to garden like if they're like every step is a jump like they they're not getting the full experience of

living on the moon you know and nobody is psyched to see that nobody would watch the simulation tv show of it and want to donate any money they could make a reality show fuck it send matt damon the real one up there with all his potatoes and everything you know he can try it on the moon first i don't want to risk matt damon matt damon's a national treasure send that guy from breaking bad send that guy from breaking bad who's just like him so you don't risk him. Oh, no, Meth Damon. No, no. Meth Damon does not look like himself these days.

You don't want to send him. I don't think they make a space suit for that gentleman anymore. Even less of a boss. I mean, just send him into the vacuum of space for all I care. That guy's not going to... His entertainment value has dropped below the threshold which I allow. There was a Breaking Bad sequel. I don't know what to call it.

A post-Breaking Bad. The movie. Yeah, the movie. But I think the movie was a prequel, if I recall correctly. And it was confusing to me because Meth Damon looked 30 years older, yet was playing the prequel version of himself as a guy who didn't age well. Do you remember the character Badger?

The guy that had that really weird voice? We've got a guy in the Discord. Sounds just like him. We call him Badger. I like it. Sounds just like him. If you search Meth Damon, he comes right up. Of course he does.

50 Plemons. What was he on? Look, I'd love to see them do that and look here's the other thing of that that's really cool to me like in the same thing I would like to see boots on the moon. I would like to see some sort of a, maybe not a colony per se, but more like what they were actually doing in the Martian, where they went and stayed for six weeks or two months or something like that and did lots of science and they came back.

I think that would be a really cool first step. But to me, the end goal with all of this is asteroid mining. There's so many resources in the asteroid field. It seems like if we could ever make it affordable to go up and come back and make the payload that you would bring back profitable, that would just be this insane business model where i remember watching some a youtube video about some asteroid and they they listed its value in like dollars and it might have been in the quadrillions like it was so absurdly expensive like now something like that i would imagine would just ruin our economy yeah what would happen yeah like i don't think you can do that but like maybe so maybe don't mine that one.

Instead of mining the asteroid, couldn't you just put jets on it and push it towards Earth and then mine it when it gets here? No. Well, no, let's bring it. Yeah, we could bring it a little closer. That's some of the ideas. We're going to land it right in the property.

I don't see a flaw with this. Does that sound? I mean, if you could put something like that in our orbit, that would be cool. Ooh, orbit, that would be cool. Ooh, actually, that would be cool. If you could just put a little more real estate up there, you know, really fuck up the current oceans. Yeah, yeah, the whales would love that.

All the more confused sharks. A lot of waves coming in today. Woo! Be before the double moon. So that would be interesting, but I don't think that we are anywhere i think we're much closer to going to mars and living there than we are to figuring out how to move an asteroid any significant amount yeah well how long would it take to get to

mars isn't that gonna aren't they gonna be steps of the same thing because isn't one of the benefits of mars is then you start having a base that's six you know that's six months further into the system and you have another base of materials another base of fuel so you can do things like stage from there so aren't you going to yeah well you know the science fiction that we are you know push we're extrapolating into the future of what we could be doing as a species is somewhat based on the potential realities of that and if we're talking asteroid mining that having a mars base or having a presence on mars is going to make that easier right sure but you would have to have a real presence on mars you know it couldn't be that shoestring shit where it's like let's hope nobody pops the bubble or we all die in 30 seconds

yeah it's all the honor system to not ruin everything go to bed hopefully nobody's a sleepwalker and they poke their nose through into the outside and you're sucked away or however space works that sounds right yeah that sounds about right yeah maybe it would immediately the all the air would go and it would seal you like when you vacuum seal old like food you're gonna throw in the freezer might do that maybe sounds right yeah i watch it i'm fascinated with this stuff it might be my favorite subject right now i watch so much um like like there's a couple of really good youtube videos that that with astrophysicists and and they and authors and they'll have other authors come on and do these like two hour long podcast discussions about what would happen if uh aliens came to our solar system

what their motivations might be like like what what the move would be like do we contact them do we fucking duck and cover like like what do we say what might they do how might they react like what if they come and start harvesting our sun you know stuff like that like if they show up here they can do it there's no defense we have if they could get here we're fucked how do you know that though right because like so so one one thing that i think is interesting about like imagining how life would have evolved on another planet is we already have this like we're like oh yeah this is how things work everything it's the survival of the fittest everything just fights and kills and you know like our ancestors fought and killed each other and the strongest one survived and they

made more super strong ones and they fought and killed the others and you know well yeah my ancestors were french we fought the british for generations and generations hundreds and hundreds of years we fought and killed each other and we never there was a stalemate yeah that's and we imagine that everybody was like that everybody was everybody's war like like what if they're just completely pacifist what if they evolved from from some sort of a creature that was just like, yeah, we can all get along here. Like, there's plenty for everybody. And they show up and they have no concept of military militarism. They've got faster than light travel, but they're just a bunch of pussies. And they show up and they don't even understand lies, right? And we're just swindling them out of their advanced technology.

It's the absolute best scenario. If a bunch of rich idiots show up and we get to fool them. But a really dominant species isn't going to evolve if they're just a, huh, yeah, I don't need that. That concept of don't understand lies is one of the central themes of three-body problem. Sure. The alien race that we're fighting communicates via, like, I don't know. We'll call it reading each other's thoughts, right?

It's some sort of radio telepathy type thing. I don't think they call it that. But in any case, since we're so connected and I know what you're thinking, there's no concept of lying. Which means that in terms of military strategy, they're a little naive and unable to deal with some of the ways that we handle war. Yeah, I think of that earlier today. as a vocal cord problem. She, there was some scientist being like, well, the Martians, their transfibrillator

is cross-fluxing with the capacitor. And in my head, as I'm pacing around my basement and I'm watching, I'm like, real quick, I just say like, stop it with your techno jargon. And she goes, get your techno jargon out of here. And I'm like, oh my god. And I checked, three seasons

in, it stops being a sci-fi show. And so I expect the dialogue to maybe get a little better after that. Because there is some silliness. Who says it stops being a sci-fi show? What? No, it'll keep being a sci-fi show. I thought that's what you just said. I heard it too.

Three seasons in, it stops being a sci-fi show. Oh, Sci-Fi Network. Oh, there you go oh okay i start to be an amazon prime amazon you got those bezos bucks right and not only not only have the bezos bucks you've also got like bezos censorship which is almost none we don't get titties and i'm upset with that because zero gravity titties are my fantasy right you know the least realistic part i'm i'm like in middle of season two the least realistic part about this show is that everybody is not chinese uh yeah they're all a mismatch like that's what i really like about the belters

like they've they've got their own uh they've got their own their own language boss man mishmash and i like how it's like all the different groups that previously in ages gone by would have been in each other's throats, but now they're all allied by this different paradigm. But it is funny being like, oh, the year 2400? Yeah, China was in like century three of having won by then.

It's really putting a lot of faith in China. I feel like you can't call who's going to be the winner 300 years from now. Would you have been able to call that 300 years ago? Yeah. I'm very smart. Oh. That's not what your Twitch chat

said. What was going on in 1721? I would imagine the global power would have been... Okay, 1721. I would imagine the global power would have been what the english english and french right um france and england what um maybe i'm western focused yeah we're being western focused but um what was um the um the uh the ottoman empire or something

what was that that that trading uh company that was like the biggest business? Oh, the East India Trading Company? The East India Trading Company. Was that around the time period of that? Those guys would have been super powerful. In any case, what I'm saying, I'm agreeing with Woody. It's not over till the fat lady sings. I don't know.

China is definitely running away with it right now, but we'll see. In any case, but don't bring modern-day geopolitics into our fun, futuristic sci-fi talk. I don't need that depression. I didn't think people were going to take my joke serious. I took it very seriously. Do you know how many coal plants they're making right now, Taylor? I do like that. It's something about the

expanse i like like the way they just kill people isn't very brutal i mean it's scary to get sent out into space but it's like the simplicity of it is even worse than being like tortured like i was like there was some there's some scene where this like chinese guy who's like a belter is trying to get into a lock you know airlock room and then some goofy ass skinny guy is like hey don't go in there bud and then he closes the door and then he's like goodbye wife or whatever sister i wasn't paying attention to the relation there and then sucked out dead very spooky like knowing that you have like like, how long? A minute? Two minutes to live? Just like... I don't think we know exactly.

But they would know, because they do it to a lot of people. They would know. There's a really cool scene. I don't think this is a spoiler. In the newest season, which just ended, there's a really cool scene where a character pretends to space themselves. Pretends to commit suicide.

And as they're just about to like lose consciousness they shoot themselves up with some sort of like i don't know blood oxygenating agent straight into the bloodstream they inject themselves with this like hypo spray thing and their goal is to go like wearing fucking street clothes and jumping from one spaceship to the other and like going in the airlock and it's a really cool fucking scene and when that character like makes it and gets in the other ship they're super fucked up they're just moaning in pain and it's like they're literally like just like frostbite on their cheeks and stuff like they're super fucked

yeah but it's a cool fucking scene it's one of the coolest like i don't know seeing space scenes i've ever seen like you could you could have a million fucking spaceships twirling around shooting blue and green shit at each other like like the star wars movies and i'm just like yawn but you've got like one badass character who's like fuck this shit i've got a mission to do and they like climb out an airlock and jump between spaceships and i'm just like oh this is so fucking cool who's your favorite character in the show man i really like the like the um the white guy who's like real like built who uh who's on the spaceship who's always like he seems to just really like fighting people sometimes for no reason at all oh he's got reasons amos grew up as a child prostitute being used by men he's got a real

yeah he's got a real chip on his shoulder i think we might know why amos has been pumping iron all these years he doesn't want that shit going down again um but i think he is actually bisexual um and uh and uh so yeah years years of child uh yeah he only hooks up with women that i've seen um that's the one of the few sex scenes that i've seen and it's just like we get like this much butt crack like more than like broadcast tv butt crack but like less than like not enough butt crack right there's some sex in that not his answer oh it's not his ass right the lady's on top of him in any case uh yeah i like the expanse a lot the newest season was pretty good i i think they've got a i think they've got the only part

of like what they're doing that is beyond our technology is their like space drive the thing that's making their ships go so fast and that seems like maybe achievable you know in the next two or three hundred years but everything else it's like yeah airlocks and spacesuits and like wrist computers and all the disease and injury stuff we don't have where it's like we just received a deadly dose of radiation and we need a heart rate monitor for 40 minutes. That's the thing. Yeah, you're absolutely right about that. The auto-doc is definitely fiction, right?

Yeah, they've got the ability to remove radiation sickness somehow, which you would absolutely need if you were going to be space-faring. Or I'm chopped off and he's sitting eating lunch and he's like, Doc, you gotta hook me up with the new arm. And it's like, how are you so casual?

Are you just mad you're not going to get it today? Like it's coming next week? Yeah, he wants that Luke Skywalker fucking artificial hand. Whatever lowers the graphics budgets for the show. I want it to look like it's my regular hand. I hate this portion of the blog. Exactly like my regular hand. The graphics thing that I like on it is like they're explaining like the choreolus or choreo is whatever effect where it's like well because it's an oblong you know object rotating around an off-center point if you drop something it's going to go in a little spiral

and it's like they're walking through a corridor where there's tons of water just pouring down on them in straight lines and she picks up dust and like drops and it does a corridor where there's tons of water just pouring down on them in straight lines. And she picks up dust and like drops it and does a little whirly-do. She's like, we're getting closer. And you just look around. It's like all the water is coming straight down. It's like clearly the people were like, all right, we have enough budget for the one example. Everything else is coming straight down.

Don't you finagle with this. Now we got one counter counterclockwise dust swirl so overall this show's great so far it's engaging it's keeping me interested uh are you watching it while working out is that when you i'm watching it while i'm working i mean i today i i put it on while i was working on some stuff and i realized like i watched a whole episode while paying no attention at all and i was like i need to save this so i just went back and just paused it and turned it off uh so i'm trying to pay a decent amount of show today with a neat premise i i wouldn't be surprised if kyle saw it do you guys know bright burn this show it's a movie actually so here it is it's um superman essentially right so

you've got this farming couple lovely wonderful good-hearted people who make an honest living working the land and growing their crops and then a meteor-like spaceship comes and plows into the earth they have been trying to have children but didn't and sure enough mom discovers her beautiful baby boy and they raise this child like it was their own with nothing but kindness and goodness and it's it's it's basically superman but sometime around puberty the boy is bad and he starts like fucking things up and uh he wants to like scare or rape a girl it's his age she's like also 12 years old sneaking into her room at night and doing creepy shit uh he breaks her hand by just smashing it with his own super strength right in school like in gym class he just crushes her hand and it's like deformed and wrecked he fucks her up

and i i won't go too much farther you can get that much almost out of the trailer but um it's what would happen if superman came to earth but no heart of gold maybe he was a shitty kid so so we've discussed this before when it came out. I was a big fan of it. But the real mystery is how they didn't get sued because they're literally copying the Superman mythos right down to the wire. You know, small town Kansas family,

boy falls from the sky. They're infertile. So they take him in. It's Roy from The Office, you know, Pam's douchebag uh first boyfriend fiance he's the dad uh the mother is an actress that i i've seen around a lot uh she usually does comedic stuff i think i've seen her and uh some of those like um uh seth rogan movies and stuff like that some of those comedies she's good actress taylor likes with the big boobs or my

mixing up girls no okay uh yeah and um yeah yeah she doesn't have big boobs and you're thinking of the girl that i like with the big boobs oh am i yeah how did that narrow it down like just one uh yeah yeah giant boobs what's her name are we talking about the redhead or the brunette brunette comedian oh no no she's a blonde isn't she no she's she had a netflix special she did ayahuasca in one of the episodes oh oh that's not her that's um um who are we talking about it's chelsea handler he's thinking of chelsea handler it's not her though okay it's not definitely not chelsea handler um it's an actually funny person so yeah it's a it's a good fucking movie um it is very scary in parts to me i thought it was it was because i don't know there's

something about like like if you've got an adult villain you're like ah he's got he's got motives and goals and well thought out evil plan he'll stop stop at nothing, but he's got, he's got steps to his plan. But when you've got a child who, who is, who is like the evil doer, it's like, Oh my God,

kids have all sorts of crazy thoughts. He could just go off on a tangent and just, he could just like, like the smallest slight could like send him. And it does, you know, the, these violent,

awful things he does. He takes on a whole new persona. He does lots of murder. His powers are those of Superman. It sounds like the Twilight Zone episode where that kid, where it's like, imagine a world where a little boy can be a cunt to his family and you can't do anything about it.

Well, now you're in that world and everyone's smoking. Look at this boy. That's basically what it is. Just a shitty kid who has ultimate power. But I can see how they wouldn't sue because, like, okay, the origin story is the exact same. But, like, Superman is a kid. I don't know anything about Superman, but he didn't have a shitty phase. He was always good.

And I assume this kid in Brightburn doesn't have a redemption arc. It's about defeating this super shitty kid not like convincing him to come to the to like to become superman pretty much yeah yeah this is evil superman um it is ridiculously similar though like that oh yeah the pat kyle said he has the same powers which is true but like i'm watching him use his laser eyes and i'm like these are like the same special so they're also red laser eyes okay well actually uh you know red is the color of evil so it's they even have the same shit with like like his spaceship that he lands in is is like a a very important plot piece because they they hide it in the barn you know just like superman. He's taking his new superhero form.

Sinister. I'm Sinister and I'm going to meet up with my girlfriend Lois Penny Lane. This is Lois Penny. She's super slutty. She's like even bigger tits and a whore.

She's evil too. It's a good popcorn movie. It's I think maybe 90 minutes long, 95 minutes long. It's not some big long ass thing that you're going to really sympathize with the parents. I personally was like neck and neck with the dad with decision processes i was just like me and this guy are on the same wavelength that wife of his though she needs a talking to and they better drive way off to do the talking because juniors got super hearing did he have a wife being in the night was the wife enabling his behavior the

wife wasn't enabled she was a. She was an apologist. It's what she was. She was a, well, you know, he's going through a phase and this and that. What happens after he kills his father eventually? I mean, I don't want to spoil the movie too much. I mean, obviously he kills his father, right? I don't want to spoil the movie and confirm or deny whether or not he kills anyone in his family. But he does kill other people.

And he goes on several rampages. And it's genuinely frightening is a strong word. You know, I'm a grown man. It's rare that I'm actually in my home and frightened. Jump scares always get me. But I don't think of that as horror. I think of that as a cheap, like a surprise.

Like I was watching red letter media the other day, my favorite YouTube channel of all time. And, and they were talking about jump scares and how they're just these cheap bullshit nonsense. And, and they showed like a really quiet clip for a few minutes and I'm just staring at it.

Like they were like shitting on the conjuring or something like that. And then all of a sudden they pop up the face of bagul from insidious and like play that sound that's just like and i'm it's four in the morning here i'm sitting up in bed and i screamed out loud it it scared me so i was literally fucking i was just in my heart's racing and i'm like this is the most afraid i've been in a year like i haven't been this like surprised frightened shocked whatever you want to call it since i was like like like tent threatened with rape in prison right like this is scary as fuck like like i i don't i don't know if scary is the right word, but I was surprised by it. It was really scary. They are effective on me.

This has a few little jump scares, but it's more about the mood and the visuals because the kid wears a mask that he makes. He's not good at sewing. You can't tell the kid to take the mask off because he's Superman. He only wears the mask when he's out doing evil.

And you'll just sort of like a character will of like, like a character will be like, boy, is that a character will be like washing dishes and like over their shoulder. You'll see like him hovering, wearing this, like,

it looks like a, it looks a bit like Darth Maul or something. It's like red and black and all jagged. And it's, it's genuinely creepy. Good movie. I can't remember the director but it's someone we all know it i don't want to say zach snyder or maybe it was produced by um

the guy who ruined star trek um i i don't remember exactly who made it but uh it's a good movie it's low budget uh but you can't tell like modern special effects when used sparingly uh are both really affordable james gun thinking of James Gunn I think the producer. James Gunn that's the guy that's the guy. Yeah. So yeah I would highly recommend that movie. That's interesting. I'll give that a watch. Yeah.

So now I'm hoping for a sequel because I get invested when they build a universe. Kyle says no. Interesting. Won't happen. Oh that's what you're saying so i but like i kind of want to know what happens next i kind of want to know like all right oh and i want the same actor so the actor that played this guy was like 12 right so next time 17 years old kind of awkward some pimples an imperfect person let's see what he's up to

right like let's see rape just just just just murder rape all the time just killing people with his super cock and blowing loads through the top of their skulls oh yeah i mean i put it on you remember you remember how the vampires and true blood would fuck till it was so it was just a blur? Yes. And they would call the women fangbangers as a derogatory term. And it's like, dude, if there was some sort of magical being with a vagina that sucked my cock like a shop vac, I'd be a fangbanger too. Look at how they're fucking. It's just, first of all, it's very rare there's an unattractive vampire.

It does happen. There's an episode. Yes. There's an episode that's one of my favorite episodes where there's a guy who's like, he's a fat, older guy. And he's been made a vampire. And he confesses to one of the other characters. And he's been made a vampire. And he confesses to one of the other characters. He's like, I thought this would be all just sex and power.

And nobody wants an old, fat, ugly vampire. Can you not lose weight once you're a vampire? No, you are stuck as you. Oh, no. You've got to go on a real good cut before you get there. Yeah, you've got to cut. Apparently, you don't have to lift, because you'll be strong. But you gotta cut. But if you want to look strong...

That's more important. It is more important. I would be like, yes, will you please make me a vampire? I will work for you for the next 100 years, pay free, I need 8 to 10 weeks

to cut and pump a little iron iron and i'll be right back okay like i really want to get a little more tricep definition and then i'm right back here and you bite me and we're good we're good i'll barge it's been 10 weeks where the hell are you listen vlad three more weeks i know i know i, but I'm starting to get those lines on the side. You know what I'm talking about. You know, yeah, yeah. It's kind of a four-pack right now, but six is two weeks away. This is forever.

I'm only forcing you to do this now because I'm jealous I didn't think of this. I'm incredibly ugly. Have you seen True Blood, Taylor? No. It is very, very good with diminishing returns as you watch. Like, season one, fucking top tier HBO

show. Season two, fucking strong HBO show. Season three, mid-tier HBObo show and as you by by the end like maybe season five six whatever the last season awful this is one of those bad hbo shows huh i can't tell where the power is towards the end i'm like wait a minute to fairies beat up vampires i'm really torn and now suddenly humans are tougher than vampires? Why? How do you turn into a fairy?

Well, you're either born a fairy or you're not, Taylor. Jesus, Taylor, come on. There are no trans fairies. I'm sorry. So if a fairy bites you, it's just rude. I identify as a fairy. Are there any boy fairies in this show?

I don't remember. Yeah, yeah. How would they make more fairies? Sookie goes to the Down Under land where everybody's beautiful and dancing because it's an illusion. Spoiler alert. Because they're really fucking ghoulish looking fucks.

And living on some rock volcano universe. But, you know, everybody's beautiful and there's men and women like scantily clad, like playing in like the Garden of Eden type scenario. Yeah. Good show. It's a good show. Diminishing quality every year, though.

Well, now, if I ever start that and I'm not absolutely enthralled with season one. You'll love season one because they, they're great at world building. Like, like right off the bat, they like throw, they throw you in like head deep, right?

Like the first scene is a couple going to a liquor store and, uh, the guy who's selling the liquor, uh, looks like the darkest movie vampire you've ever seen, you know, like, like spiked collar and black

eyeliner and long black hair and like trench coat pale as fuck and they're like hey do you have any of that true blood and you're like what's true he's like yeah we sell it but it's only for the children of the night and they're like oh he's like i'm just fucking with you i'm not a vamp i'm just kidding yeah we got some you want to look at it like yeah yeah they they buy it or whatever and they leave with the like a six pack of blood and then like a regular dressed like redneck good old boy walks up and like pops fangs like pop down he's like if you ever pretend to be one of us again I'll fucking kill you I'll drain you dry and the guys like and you realize that yeah the vampires in this world look like anybody and everybody they're not fucking cosplaying there so this is like so vampires are accepted in this yeah

but the the phrase is coming out of the coffin. So what happened was this Japanese company invented an artificial blood, and they invented it for obviously blood transfusions in the medical field. But the vampires had this whole underground secret society that had been established for hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands of years, and they get together and have a vote because they have a hierarchy, and they're like, we should come out to the public now we have a means to sustain ourselves that doesn't require us to be their predator we can work up we can come out and be open about this and we'll flourish because of it you know and uh and then so they do and so you're thrown in i don't know maybe a year

after that has happened so everybody's just like little i think about i think five or six seasons i think i watched a little bit of the end of that with my wife because she was watching through those or something and they were they were fucking horrendous seven was too too many yeah that's about right it was too too many if they had wrapped up in five it would have gone down i've never seen the beginning one so it sounds like maybe they were a little bit better yeah Yeah, but by the end, it's gone like full on, like everything that you can imagine

exists. There are werewolves, and werepanthers, and there are fairies, and there are witches, and there are demigods, and all sorts of nonsense, and like... Minotaurs. Can I jump in? There's a minotaur! Nice. I really liked Jurassic Park 1.

I thought it was an amazing movie. This is the first one from the 90s. I thought the second one was also good-ish. I wanted to believe that. The third one they described as a nonstop roller coaster, where the characters just ran from their lives from one catastrophe to the next to the next, always dodging death, mostly mostly by the skin of their teeth that's what true blood season seven turns into they are always infiltrating some government

thing getting shot with special bullets that hurt them tarzan swinging or something into safety and back home there's another trap lying in wait for them and it's just like enough enough enough alexander skarsgård might be the most one of these top three most attractive men on the planet dude like i just looked him up he's so i was like they keep calling me gay though i don't want to bring this topic up dude so so my my tier list for attractive men so number one most attractive man in the world is um i'm spacing on his name it's the guy from drive oh i'm thinking of a different guy actually yeah ryan gosling i'll just i'll just better what are you like i don't know his name i'm just happy to look at

those abs i'll be the arbiter of who's the cutest so ryan gosling is most attractive man in the world uh you watch that movie drive when he's kind of like an autistic stunt car driver who will stop at nothing to like protect the woman he loves and you're like i'll suck it a little have you ever seen the fortune the green text where this guy's like i've been i watched the movie drive four years ago and pretended to be like him got a girlfriend from it but i've had to keep pretending to be like the guy from drive for four years yeah he just he just chews on toothpicks and says five words a day she's sold by a movie on netflix once we were sitting there it was drive she said you want to see this i said nah babe not my jam we watched something else all right all right i'll call you chat chat leave a comment tell me which one of these guys you think is better looking.

Ryan, who's on the screen right now. Here, I'll send you guys a picture for you. Or Alexander, who's on the screen right now. Which one of these guys? Show me which Alexander Skarsgård picture you because i i want you to give him his his just use i i think you'll be happy but i would rank alexander scars guard over whoever this guy is yeah a hundred percent not only is alexander six foot four and your guy is like five foot nine five foot ten but like alexander scars guard has those like prime uh viking genetics his name is skarsgård for a

reason and he's got very blue eyes this guy you linked woody like he's got very dead eyes all right i do see the eye thing i so ryan quanton in the show takes his shirt off and fucks vampires all the time and he has one of the fittest like cut day bodies at least in my memory in these pictures it looks a little diminished but i remember him always just being over the top in shape yeah he's ripped up he's like nine percent eight percent body fat percentage all the time like really good ab definition like he's an he's an ex-athlete and that's his character that's his character's arc but x like star qb alexander skarsgård if i have his name right is good in tarzan but he was kind of just like normal fit person skinny fat is insulting him that's not accurate yeah he's got six pack and like defined pecs and but he's six foot four so like packing on mass for him is is

probably a non-starter without without the drugs he used for tarzan yeah i would rank scars guard up there maybe number one or maybe number two to what's the drive guy's name again oh god ryan gosling yeah not a fit a fit guy. Not an out of shape guy by any means, but not a what am I looking for? Not a ripped up built guy or anything like that. Just a really attractive guy, I think.

Okay. Dreamy. Oh, he is dreamy. Skarsgård has a couple of brothers. They're all actors. Makes me wish I was gay wish you ever see the movie you probably did it the new remake of it the clown Stephen King movie not me Alexander Skarsgård's brother

plays the clown couldn't have guessed that it's not an attractive clown ever no well his brothers are like seasons of true blood they diminish in quality as as you go. It's just like... Is it like the Boltons?

Oh, no. It's like... Meth Skarsgård. Meth Skarsgård. It's like Ron Howard's brother. Clint Howard. Oh, the ugly guy from Spaceballs? Yeah, so you got Ron Howard. Okay. That's an attractive-ish

man. You know, he played Opie from the Andy Griffith show. He's an average-looking guy, probably above average. I think he's a handsome man. His daughter is very attractive. And then you got Clint Howard, his brother. And it's like, oh, my God. He's ghoulish. He is ghoulish.

He is one of the least attractive men in all of Hollywood, and those are the roles he plays like like he is the guy from the water boys he's mind-blowingly ugly he's that guy from the water boy where he has that like one like little line where he's like most of us weren't born handsome or popular or with a fully functional brain and you were our hero, Bobby Boucher. As if he's not ugly enough, they give him like Austin Powers teeth to plug in. Oh, they're super fucked. They gave him bad teeth?

Because he has bad teeth. They gave him real bad teeth. Okay. I think in that movie they went so over the top. Maybe they did that over the top thing to be like no we gotta uglify you we don't want to make you feel bad like yeah now you're ugly enough yeah he was also that's him in star trek as a kid yeah yeah it was clinton howard then and now he was dude that second picture looks like he just tripped out of a time machine

yeah he's like he's like an alien kid and uh that's an episode of star trek yeah i don't oh man and you and the writing's on the wall in the beginning oh yeah yeah it was never there was never going to be a good time of his life he's in this movie called the ice cream man i think where he's like a pedophile ice cream truck driver that murders yeah i'm seeing it that's the kind of shitty horror movie that I like. So he's going around, and yeah, you're right. He leans heavier into the murdering of children than the raping of them. He's just mad.

He's mad at the world that he feels like the world is passing ice cream by. And so he continues. He murders kids and mixes them into special batches of ice cream and serves it to other kids. But it's so over the top that it's like one kid like straight up ate an eyeball. Yeah. His ice cream. It was a terrible movie. Yeah.

I wonder if it's like that's like someone that they want to cast or, you know, like I feel like you could do that with like pretty cheap special effects. Like just, you know, like some makeup artist kind of stuff to get a really ugly individual. Or do you think that is something they're actually casting for? Oh, they cast for it, yeah. When they're like, oh, when you're an ugly guy, they're like, Chris Howard would do this really well because he's a good actor. Steve Chimney, another one. But you have to imagine then that on the flip side of that,

probably there's a lot more attractive people trying to get into being in the movies than there are ugly people. Do you think he's coming in at this super sweet spot where he's wanted and sought after, but there's not a lot of people competing with him for that? I can't think about that. The supply and demand dynamic is all topsy-turvy with ugly people. That's how Lawrence Fishburne gets so much work.

Well, he's a good actor, but also that eye thing, it makes me think, yeah, that's the kind of guy that would just be his teeth and his fucking eye thing where he's all fucked up. He doesn't have an eye thing. Who am I thinking of? You're a racist.

All black people don't look alike. You're thinking of... He's a... Look it up. You look up eye guy? He's, uh... Look it up. Look up eye guy? Who the hell is Lawrence Fishburne? You're thinking of Forrest Whitaker. Yeah, he is thinking of Forrest Whitaker.

Forrest Whitaker does not play Morpheus. No. Oh, okay. Well, I would have known that. I thought that his name was Lawrence Fishburne, though. Not great with actor names, but Lawrence Fishburne does have the teeth thing. Yeah, Lawrence Fishburne does have the teeth thing. Yeah, Laurence Fishburne does have the teeth thing. That's true. But the other guy, that fucked up eye,

what I'm saying is when he plays like a cop, a beat cop, that adds to it. Where it's like, that's the kind of job where he's a parole officer or he's an assassin. It's like, he probably got fucked up once or twice. That explains it. Like, not traditionally attractive guy, but he fits into it.

Yeah, right? Not all cops look like denzel washington yeah like denzel washington's a very good looking man and so he makes more sense as like a higher ranking like strategic kind of like an inside man cia agent perhaps yeah like a cia agent or a detective kind of role. Can we go on to this gorilla glue woman? Yes, my God. We can do gorilla glue woman. Oh, okay. Before we leave entertainment though, Gina Carano, who is from Star Wars,

you know, the Mandalorian series, who we're always making fun of because she's way too fat for her role. She has been fired. She has been completely cut from the the the roster uh so back in november all right so before november of last year there were plans to give her her own disney star wars series she would be the lead i think it was going to be called like rangers of the republic something like that. Like she was getting her own spinoff. Then she's tweeted about the election being rigged and she had some anti mask rhetoric on her Twitter.

And the people at Disney, you know, not very conservative, didn't like that very much. They got a lot of complaints from fans to Fans too. Fans too, to be fair. And so they were like, hey, let her know we will not be announcing Rangers of the New Republic in December like shareholders meeting. That is nixed.

That is over. Tell her to watch her step. Can't be having this. So then just the other day, very recently, she tweeted that something along the lines of being a republican or a conservative today is just like being a jew during the holocaust so true the exact same thing she was immediately fired so are they gonna are they gonna like bring her back for a death scene no no she's gone she is gone her her management company has let her go disney has cut her completely are they gonna

have to do something like i don't really watch the show so i don't care but are they gonna have to be like oh and also an explosion in the venus nebula that's the that's the joke right and that's what everyone's about uh about the end of the expanse with Alex, too. The end of the expanse with Alex. Not ringing a bell for this topic? Is Alex the guy with the southern accent from Mars? Yeah, he's a pilot. I didn't know why that happened.

I don't want to spoil it for everybody. Oh, yeah, don't spoil it because I am enjoying the show. I just did spoil it, though. You can't tell me after I've said it. I don care well you should just know better um yeah so um yeah she um she's gone and the joke on like the mandalorian tv subreddit is like all of the ways to be like oh and gina carano died too like play the music or whatever. I think they should just recast her and not say a word. And I tell you who I want to play her. Make it a guy.

Rhonda? I thought of Rhonda. She's my second choice, honestly. She's not a good actress, and I would like a good actress. Who's number one? My first pick's a little too old. You're probably not going to like it. Lucy Lawless.

Oh, she was great in Spartacus yeah but Spartacus was 10 years ago she did Evil Dead like 3 years ago she looks okay and like she looks okay I mean she's like 50 she looks a lot older than the woman she's replacing she looks a lot older

but man like prime Lucy Lawless would be perfect like if you had Xena Warrior Princess to just slide into that role and like as she's shooting her blaster, she lets that one go. I'd be sold. I'd be fucking sold. I mean, she's a way better actress

than the other lady, the Grano. Yeah, I agree completely. Do you guys want to poke that for a second? Because I sometimes get this stuff. You guys have me on a fair amount here. and sometimes we're just shooting the shit like this and this is you know kind of like uh current events and stuff that i kind of have to pay attention to but there's some interesting things about that do you want to talk about like your thoughts on kind of should it should you've been canceled for that should she be able to have a career independent

of her twitter presence or should she have just shut the fuck up and not tweeted can i believe this shit as an american shouldn't she be like if she believed for example and All the insanity that entails right now if she actually believed this shit that she's posting should she be shutting up about it? I mean, it's kind of funny to laugh at her get canceled out of this But at some level do you have any thoughts about the Twitter stuff going on like the I'll go first or what he can Kyle you go Alright, so the way I feel about i don't believe in cancel culture at all i don't like it and i've seen like i've seen good arguments from the left

especially about like hey wait you know if you do something you know it's this is the free market that you guys are always talking about people don't't like it. They don't want to buy it. You're no longer a worthy asset. You're gone. Okay. Fair enough. But there's, to me, I see it more from the free speech side of things. I think you should be able to say whatever you want. I think that free speech is synonymous with hate speech. I think that you should be able to say the most hateful, awful things imaginable publicly and see no real ramifications in your career, unless it's pertinent, right? Like if you're running an orphanage or something and you're like, yeah, yeah, black babies are just,

we don't even want them here. You know, like, oh, don't get me started with how those black babies complain all the time. Like, you're like, well, we don't want you looking after any those black babies complain all the time like like you're like what we don't want you looking after any babies anymore you bigot he runs an orphanage but only when the black babies cry does he call it complaining yeah all the babies are crying and the black ones are complaining yeah yeah um so i see that but like when you've got a scenario like this where you have an actress who plays a fucking sci-fi badass somewhere on a mystical planet, a mystical universe, I think she should be able to be an ignorant bigot on the internet. Now, if you want to take her Twitter away from her, if Twitter says, hey, we don't allow hate speech here.

All right, well, you're a private company. You don't have to allow hate speech. The Republicans went out and made it so that bakers don't have to bake gay cakes a decade ago, so Twitter doesn't have to allow bigots on their website. I get that. I understand it. It's fine.

It's a shame there's not a counterpart to Twitter who's like, we allow bigots. I don't know why there isn't a... It just got taken down. Yeah, well, it's back up now. Is Parler back up? Parler's been back up, yeah. But it's certainly not even playing field with Twitter.

I had never heard of Parler before, to give an example. My dad knows about Twitter. Can I do a side note on Parler? The reason Trump's not on Parler is he wanted equity in the business to start posting on Parler. It does make a lot of sense, although he was doing it as president

and it seems a little shady, emoluments, problematic in that regard. That is shady, yes. Anyway, I don't want to go too deep down the rabbit hole. I thought it was interesting. In this specific example, though though i think that we side more with like yeah get rid of her because we didn't like her as an actress and we didn't care for how she was portraying the character because you think she should have been fired because she was doing a shitty job portraying

the character is i think she should have been fired because she was fat i think she should have been fired because like that's a I think she should have been fired because... That's a fair thing to say about Natalie. If I had gone first, you'd have heard a lot of that. That was really funny. And maybe, you don't know this, Disney's putting this on? Maybe someone at the Disney board's like, we want to fire that fat

bitch, but we can't. And now we're waiting for that moment. Now we can do it under the entire umbrella protection of, you know, like now we can do it under the entire like umbrella protection of you know this person is inexcusably using their twitter platform to influence the the young minds of the viewers of this show and we as a company don't stand for that from fat bitches you know like i don't know that's a good one guy and she's fucking fat Ted exactly right not now

you should absolutely be able to fire actors and actresses for losing too much weight or gaining too much weight like if whoever the new Batman is shows up and he decides nah I'm actually not going to do that lifting program you're gone he did

he did that no he didn't fire him they're just going to put a muscle suit on him You're gone. You're gone. He did. Oh, my God. That happened. What? He did that? Wait, who? Did they fire him? No, they didn't fire him. They're just going to put a muscle suit on him. It's the super handsome guy. Ben Affleck? No, no, no.

The new Batman. Oh, there's a newer one? Okay. Well, that's fucking absurd. The new Batman said he wouldn't lift weight. Why would Batman not lift weights? Robert Pattinson. So Robert Pattinson is the newest Batman.

Obviously, there's delays and production and delays because of COVID. But he refused to do any sort of lifting program and to get big or anything like that. Did they just go, okay, I guess you have a different take on it? Yeah, they went, okay, yeah, you're a great actor. You were just in the lighthouse. You got the acting chops. You're super handsome. You're kind of hot right now. He was great in the lighthouse. You got the acting chops. You're super handsome. You're kind of hot right now.

He was great in the lighthouse. I like that movie a lot. Is he from Twilight? I think so, yeah. Don't hold that against him, though. I literally never saw him. All I know is it's a love story or something. He has spent every year after Twilight proving

that he is an amazing actor. You want to talk about having a chip on your shoulder because he might have to this guy is like i'll do every fucking indie film i don't care if you oh you can't pay me perfect that's exactly the kind of artistic shit i'm looking for you know what i'll help you pay for the movie we're getting this made and it's going to be artistic and i'm gonna fucking kill it it. He's good. I'm going to like him because you have Kyle really likes great actors, right? He'll I don't know. He's just into films that are really well executed by the actors.

And I think sometimes who's the what was the Star Wars one? There's two Space Force. I think Space Force has a bald actor who you like a lot help me with his name um I don't know John Malkovich I think oh yeah John Malkovich yeah yeah yeah yeah I think Kyle in my opinion overrate Space Force because he put such an emphasis on acting chops and John Malkovich is there because I think Malkovich is kind of killing it across from Michael from The Office, who's Steve Carell. Yeah. So anyway, it was just eye-opening for me.

I'm like, wait, wait, wait. Is this another guy who's on Kyle's list? Max Patterson? Is that his name? No, it's Robert Pattinson. The most recent thing that I watched of his that was just insane was The Lighthouse with Tim and Willem Dafoe in a fucking lighthouse.

It was a crazy movie. Wild movie. Wait, Kyle, something happened to your mic. Uh-oh. Now you're totally gone. Totally gone. Alright, I'm going to take my turn on the cancel culture thing. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't think free speech means freedom from all consequences. And sometimes I feel like the right does that too much. They say like, you know what? Like, I don't know why patreon dropped me they act like everyone who puts swastikas in their artwork is racist and it's like dude of course like that's that you can't do that you can't put swastikas in your stuff you can't like it it's a problem and they're always in my free speech. You know, I just like to bully people who are confused about their sexuality.

That's part of my heritage. So why would you give me a hard time about something that I feel that I love to do? And it's like, you're just an asshole. You're just an asshole who thinks the Constitution has two items on it. No repercussions from anything you say and my guns, right? Like, that's your constitution and knock it off you know that you get in context matters too and maybe i'm self-serving with this but i feel like if a comedian goes up there and tells a joke about rape that is different to me than

someone who goes on twitter and pronounces opinions about rape like they're i don't think you want to like draw that line though because then you're putting the responsibility for for drawing it on like a really powerful tech company you know and you'd like that's that's a big part of this like all of our communication happens online now and so like when you give huge amounts of power to control speech online to like a handful of companies that's pretty scary that's not what i was trying to do with context though like make it not twitter then right like if you go on cnn and give an interview and say something it's a different context than if you're on a stand-up comedy stage saying a joke about it i think people need to that's true you know like look at the look at the context and find a

different thing kyle is my mic fixed yes you're coming in loud yeah it just randomly said uh usb device not recognized yeah i compare the things you say on a on a stand-up comedy stage to the things you might say when you're portraying an actor or a character in a movie or or a tv show we have no issue with like i don't know edward norton bombs were in django sure yeah nobody nobody get nobody's giving leonardo dicaprio any any gruff any guff about any of the things he said or did in django no one cares that realistically everyone hates edward norton but it's not because of anything he did in american history x is because he's an actual douchebag. Yeah. Good actor, I think. Great actor. That's how you know he's an incredible douchebag. He's like an 8 out of 10 on my actor scale of talented actors.

Can't get a job. Can't get a job. He's that hated. Everybody's like, yeah, he's not worth the fucking trouble. What are all the stories about? Is there one overarching story? I've never heard a specific story i've always just heard very difficult very rude um conceited piece of shit well that sucks because he does good work that's some incredible work yeah yeah one of my favorite actors but jesus what's the last thing he was in

not a fucking lot went out himself i mean there's a reason he's not in the marvel universe something i didn't see it um fucking i remember maybe he had to put one out himself because everyone's like 51 they aged when i wasn't looking yeah and if you look at his picture he's he's starting to look 51 oh his neck oh he's got an old man neck. What are you talking about? He looks great. And then the caption is Norton in 2009. Oh, okay. What's up with that 2021? Yeah, he was in...

He hasn't been in anything since 2019. Wow. Maybe he's just retired now. I't know like for the cancel calls or stuff for a second there just because we kind of like started half touching on some of the stuff like the comedians right like there were comedians getting canceled for this right where comedians worried that they're getting canceled and getting attempted cancellations of comedians for jokes which starts to get fucking crazy because like maybe you can go down that line maybe you can

go down the line of there's consequences if you're employed at a company and the company has these ideals and you're spouting off shit on your personal media and that personal social media is reflecting on the company. The company goes, fuck that liability, right? Like, we'll get rid of them. The best example I can think of of someone sort of getting, not quite canceled, but losing career stuff because of their like actual values

and beliefs and how they portray them in their art if you want to call that is tim allen right tim allen had that um sitcom the new sitcom called like american family or american dad or some shit like that yeah and it was it was like a conservative family like like this character is a conservative guy it's a conservative family and uh it was doing really well like like like so they can't they can't make the argument that oh you weren't really cutting it in the ratings no it was like number one or number two and it's like slot same thing happened with roseanne that was killing it well that's because of what she said on twitter yeah i slot same thing happened with roseanne that was killing it well that's because of what she said on twitter yeah i was just saying they canceled roseanne i was just

using another example of a show that was killing it before it got canceled yeah tim allen yeah that and and i could go either way on that that maybe roseanne can't say those things about black people on twitter and still keep her show fair Fair enough, maybe, I guess. I don't like it, but I see both sides. But with Tim Allen, I don't think he said anything publicly. He was just like, his show was a conservative show with a conservative white family. It was doing well, and it got canceled.

And it's a real head-scratcher. And he came out, and it was just like, yeah, it's because they didn't the the family that i was portraying they didn't like of course yeah they didn't like me like making a show like this that's why i got canceled i like that and and nothing else ever came out of it you know you never know when something gets canceled or when someone gets canceled from a show um with charlie sheen example, he didn't say anything publicly, really, that got him fired from his show. It was what he said privately to the executive. Do you remember that? I do not. What was that? I believe he called one of the executives. It was a Jewish thing, right?

He called him a kike. He called him a kike. I he called him a kike never heard and and he may have hit him and uh and so that guy that's when they brought in ashton kutcher to uh to replace him on the show and then he went on his whole like tiger blood uh like like media tour and just was exploded he was the biggest thing on social media, the biggest thing in the world, really. He had HIV or AIDS or something, right? He found out he had the HIV, yeah, and all of those gorgeous women he's had sex with

through the years are all just like, oh, no! A lot of uncomfortable calls to make. Yeah, yeah. I don't know what it is. I've been losing a lot of weight ever since this new diet of fucking Charlie Sheen. Bareback is working wonders.

Yeah. People hate what I fact check. I don't know how to do this. But I everything Kyle said was right. They were leading in the TV ratings on what they called a relatively quiet Thursday night.

So it wasn't like he was like world beating or anything, but I mean, if not first place, what place do you want from him? Exactly. Right. Yeah. He's winning his slot.

Yeah. You know, so, um, uh, you're not in, and I can't find anything that says he was canceled for his conservative views,

but it feels like it. I don't know why else they canceled the slot winner for that show yeah so yeah and it was fox that canceled him which i know that fox news and fox the network aren't the same thing but yeah are they they've not had the same parents are they totally unrelated well they're both owned by newscorp right i would say they're both i don't know is fox searchlight and all that also owned by News Corp, though? Like, is the movie arm of that little Fox? I don't think it's called Fox Searchlight anymore. I think maybe they rebranded it to just Searchlight Films or something.

Whatever the entertainment side of it is. It's hard to keep track of corporate structures these days. There's been so many mergers and so many pieces pulled out and sold away. If you look at it, it's just like five little owners and then just... It appears that Fox Corporation owns them both. Fox Corporation,

Fox Media Group, and then they own both. If I googled this right. Anyway, I guess the conservative leanings don't go above Fox News. They start at Fox News. Do you want to talk about your glue woman? Yes.

Leave the story out for this absolute idiot. Yeah, please. You want to watch the video? For Taylor's sake. You think we can or do you think she's like cashing in copyright on it by now? Shit, I never know. Dude, we get busted for like every video

we watch. Remember the time the dive drove through the forest fire? What if we, I was thinking this, so I've seen channels do this where they I don't know what the technique's called. It's where they make it like transparent. Yeah. And they reverse the image

or something like one thing I do sometimes is I shake it while we're watching the video the things fucking shake Copyright truck people just having seizures Yeah Lay it out if you don't want to watch the video i completely understand if you don't yeah go ahead lay it out so this black lady makes this like i don't know like instagram live video something like that and she's like so i ran out of my she's got some sort of black people hair treatment that like keeps your hair in place and she's got one of those hairstyles where like the viewers like pulled tight it's like pulled tight and sort of brushed to the side

kind of what i've got going on but then you know long ponytail of what i assume is some in poor indian woman's hair who had to sell it for food and she's like i ran out of my like stick it spray you know that keeps my hair like in place and everything so i thought maybe some gorilla glue would be the trick now for those of you out there who are maybe not American or maybe not familiar with hardware, Gorilla Glue is not super glue. It's more akin to a bottle of liquid tree sap. It's really good to glue two pieces of wood together.

It would be okay for model building, I suppose. If you're doing carpentry i bet it would work well um it is very strong it hardens like as hard as a rock like like if you could like put this stuff in a mold that looked like a blade you could have a functional knife made out of like hardened gorilla glue yeah as a carpenter ex-carpenter type guy glues in my mind break down to basically two kinds they either harden like glass or they harden like rubber roughly and this one hardens like glass glass yeah like like it it's brittle it hardens so hard and there are there are more there are warnings up and down this bottle saying like call a fucking doctor if you get this on your hand.

You get it in your eyes. Don't get it in the other one or you're fucked. Like, covered in warning. Like, there is no. I want Taylor to write all warning labels going forward. There is absolutely no. Thank God you have two eyes. If you don't have two eyes, don't touch this product.

Yeah. Like, there's no world in which you can see this and perceive it as like anything but glue. It says spray adhesive at the picture she's holding up. Yeah. And so, so she like puts that in her hair and like does her like brush to the back type thing.

Look pretty good to me. I mean, I don't, I'm not an expert in especially black women hair. It looks awful. Oh really? To me, it looked like...

I have this... I keep using this phrase, but it looked like she hit the bullseye she was targeting, in my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong. That's not much of a target she's shooting at. I don't know. I don't want to say anything that could be perceived the wrong way. That's not the hairstyle.

I thought you were certainly using the idea that you were playing a character on Pka when you brought that up earlier that was not the case i thought i'm always playing a character here yeah but even my character knows where to uh where to step aside um i don't like the hairstyle that she's going for um it looks i don't know it looks like a man's hairstyle like like i don't know i like if the the lady's got more volume going on. I can't tell what she is going for because her hair is glued down. It's so shiny. There is no distance between all of her hair and her

scalp. Is she balding here? Yeah, that's the other thing. Certain people have... Like a receding hairline? Yeah, it's bad. She's got like a huge bald spot like up here anyway um she's like yeah so i thought maybe this gorilla glue stuff would do the trick you know it would hold my hair in place y'all i have washed my hair a dozen times

and she goes and her hair goes slap slap slap like you're hitting a bald head like it's just like flap flap flap of like of like flesh hitting flesh like she's like my hair don't move y'all my hair don't move and it's like yeah no shit you put carpentry glue on your head and like i'm telling you i can't think of a more powerful glue. I don't know of one. It's so fucking tough. Tough is the word. They also make a brand of duct tape. The Gorilla Company makes duct tape. Their duct tape is so hardy that you can't

tear it very easily like normal duct tape. Whenever I'm doing projects with it, I would keep a straight razor on my side, a little flip razor and just quickly like cut it because it because we're using lots of it i can't remember the project i used it to hold pieces of my gym floor together that's what's on all the seams that is right ever coming off is that never like the real tape is gonna you know i have mopped it

a few times it's perfect it's not it's not the mop had no impact on the tape. If you decided that you want to rearrange your gym floor, I'm sorry. The decision's made. You cannot move into your house. Let me take over from here, because there's an unpopular opinion on Reddit that would make a good read.

The Gorilla Glue girl deserves nobody's fucking sympathy. Imagine buying a bottle of Gorilla Glue. You go through the checkout, pay the money, and make the bottle your property and take it home. You aren't sure what you'll do with it yet, but, you know, probably somewhere down the line, that will break and there'll be a time when you triumphantly whip out the Gorilla Glue. One day you run out of hairspray.

That is unfortunate, since your hair is unruly and requires some serious hold just to stay in place. You think about alternatives, but there aren't any that come to mind. Then you think back to the Gorilla Glue. Putting Gorilla Glue on your hair is absolutely fucking stupid. The woman picked up a bottle that literally says, For the toughest jobs on planet Earth. And bonds virtually everything. That is made for stone and metal and other things.

She put it in her fucking hair. She says it's not her choice. It's not her choice, but it so clearly was. She wasn't forced to put it on. She made a conscious decision to apply Gorilla Glue to her hair. That quote shows so much immaturity. She just can't seem to accept that she fucked up and this is her fault. People are offering free treatment for her.

I'm an advocate for free universal health care. But doctors should spend their time and resources battling COVID and cancer. Not some childish TikTok girl who can't read that Gorilla Glue is moisture-proof and permanent. I cannot find the words to explain just how annoyed I am that she's getting this much attention for being unfathomably stupid. She deserves nobody's sympathy. And if she wants it to be fixed, she should cut her hair off and let it regrow. I'm usually a sympathetic person, but I feel nothing but embarrassment and frustration when people try to use their own poor judgment and awful decision-making skills to put themselves in a position where people will give them attention for a few weeks. Medically, do we know if she – oh, is your hand done?

Sorry. Yeah. There's not too much more. Especially when there's a lack of self-awareness gaping along enough to beg for money and treatment that she should just grow up and deal with it herself. The worst part is that she'll end up with the following from this. By the way, she has like $16, grand on GoFundMe if I'm right.

Jesus. People will see the surgery for free. She's netting money. People will see the Gorilla Glue girl and think, yeah, I'm going to keep watching her TikToks. We shouldn't reward idiots like her. It only encourages more idiocy in the future. What a fucking cretin. And there's a bunch of edits, but I'll skip over.

The thing is, though, like, I agree with him to some extent. 21K. But I don't know how you get that off without medical assistance. And, like, it could get real gross without some medical assistance. Like, maybe she gets, like, infected ingrown hairs under there or something. And, like, some sort of serious skin infection. And it becomes an ulcer underneath this cap of glue and hair. that's what i wanted to ask what is what is the pushback on this person so she is essentially asked for help with this and what is the rest of that story

okay she's done this here's where she is now she has she has a plastic surgeon fixing her hair for her okay and she has twenty one thousand dollars in goFundMe money and a TikTok following. So I think the pushback is more people going like, I don't even know if you call it pushback. I think it would just be people commentating. They're not trying to take anything away from her. They're just going, hey, this dumbass. First of all, start with a little bit. Like, don't go full on with half a bottle of Gorilla Grip.

If she would have used a tiny bit she would have figured it out but like I think people are saying why is this dumbass getting like celebrities and TV shows are pulling her on and obviously they're pulling her on because it's a very unique show to to under the guise of empathy talk to what is amounts to be a retarded person who puts glue in their hair but people are just going

this person does not deserve money this is just another this is just the next generation of jackass, right? Someone's stumbled upon being an idiot. You would see Johnny Knoxville do this, or you'd see Steve-O do something like this, right? You look at that and you go, that is so fucking dumb. You know what they did in Jackass? The classic bit where they put Preston the fat guy on the table in Bam Margera's parents' house,

and he's laying with his shirt off, and then they cover him in super glue, and then they lay Wee Man in the 69 position on top of him, and then they let him set, and then someone comes in with a taser and pretends they're going to cattle prod him, and Wee Man starts going, hell no, dude, hell no, and he's pushing himself off, and Preston's going, Wee Man, stop! Wee Man, Wee Man! And it's so fucking funny that's that's classic that's high iq hilarity wait wait you lost me all the way on that one high iq yeah

no i i so that one is probably a better more extreme bit but this one has a realism aspect to it that I appreciate. I like that she didn't plan this, as far as I know. Yeah, as far as we can tell. Who knows? It could be some, you know, I'm going to do something stupid to get on the news. I don't understand what the damage is, right? And again, this might be just me not understanding her hair,

but I feel like if I put Gorilla Glue in my hair, I would let it grow a 16th, and then just come in there and undercut it with the clippers is that shit going to go through your hair is that going to bond to your scalp the clipper can't get to it what I think has happened here is she has a shell

of hair covered with glue tight to her scalp a clipper will just glide right over this this needs to be sanded off honestly tight to her scalp like like a clipper will just glide right over this or it'll clutter if they try like this needs to be sanded off right honestly honestly what i would use is acetone i would use acetone and like cloth and like rub it a lot and then after that i think like maybe like a barber with a razor like like a straight razor, very carefully like carving it off.

But sandpaper would be part of the mix. Like just know you're going to end up bald. Like there's no getting your hair back. It's gone. A magic eraser, or like probably like 30 magic erasers would help a lot. It needs to be sanded off.

Like get some like 1,000 grit. No, not an angle grinder. Flat wheel, I'm not crazy sparks like a little too far i see skull you get some wet you get some wet dry thousand don't see green and you just slowly sand all of it off and eventually you're going to get like enough of the glue off that the hair is going to be all like like stringy and like sticking out and then you can like maybe shave that off but like the hair's gone like it's never coming back wait i mean it's growing what you have has to go

is what i should say like if you get that stuff on your hands you're not you're supposed to wash it off right away like i would imagine just sitting there and being like oh i'll let nature take its course like maybe it'll give you a chemical burn on your scalp or i don't know i can't imagine that being comfortable so what's fucking wrong with this this is just because it's stupid it's comical which is sure sure but like we've seen stupid shit that society's gotten interested in before

we've seen people become successful out of being stupid what's the problem with this can't we agree with the sentiment of like this woman must be absolutely batshit insane to think this was a good idea but she's still gotta she still needs help after this we we you know and like the unpopular opinion was that she doesn't deserve sympathy or empathy yeah that she doesn't deserve 25 grand and going on cnn daytime tv or abc with kelly oh it is the 25 grand is people saying convince themselves seen this and said i

want to be part of the solution to this or I want to help this woman out. What's the fucking argument? That that's on her? Is that on us as the viewer of that? I don't look at that and say, shit, I want to donate money there. I think you're taking it too deep. The argument is just that it's stupid and people are going, huh, Missy Elliott and a bunch of celebrities are promoting an account to give money to some dumb bitch who put Gorilla Glue in her hair. Wow, what a dummy.

Can you believe the world we live in where you can make tens of thousands of dollars and get free plastic surgery just by posting a video of yourself being stupid and putting glue in your hair on the internet? Wow. I don't think anybody's like, we need to ruin her. We need to put more glue in her hair. Which is not a good thing. Doing the extreme things the other people wouldn't do.

Put more glue in her hair. More glue. We're're gonna fight fire with fire oh it's actually no no fire near her she probably died have you ever heard of crazy glue it is it it'll just take that right out so you're gonna want a good coating of crazy glue and let that sit okay do you do you have access to glitter if you ever get crazy glue on your hands sandpaper takes it off like magic sandpaper is like is the trick and sandpaper and acetone yeah it's i i want to lose skin when you do that or does it like does it like stick to the paper enough that it comes off your skin i mean a little less of that so kyle says you lose skin i felt like not really like so you rub it and then there's like this sensory feedback loop when you're sanding your own finger where you know exactly when you're

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You can learn about the Bible. I think I know who I want to replace Gina Carano. So my first choice, who turned in my second, the first person I popped into was Charles Theron. She played the chick in Mad Max with the shaved head, but she's 45, and that's a little old for me. What's her name? Help me. Well, it's not Charles. It's Charlize. Charlize.

I was like, wow, is he seriously taking my joke of replacing it with a guy and put some guy named Charles Theron in there? That's preposterous. Did I mispronounce preposterous how do you say it no you gotta write the second time it was just the first time it was a preposterous it was funny it was funny uh anyway she turns out to be 45 i don't really like my female actress action stars to be 45. So what about Daisy Ridley, the Star Wars chick? No.

She's unemployed right now. She's a female action star. She's not too old. I hope she goes back to playing dead bodies on CSI like she should be. She has terrible actions. I think you should get her on the show. I don't want her on the show. We chose you instead, Filthy.

I'd much rather have you than Daisy Ridley. Dubious business decision. than Daisy Ridley. Dubious business decision. Is Daisy Ridley Luke Skywalker's daughter? I don't know. I don't fucking care. No, isn't she from like the Paladine bloodline or something? She's actually a Sith Lord or something.

Yeah, I quit. Well, Shucks, who would you pick? Who's your female action star? Do you have one Lucy Laws is my pick but she's old she has that square heart shaped face that looks similar to Carano's or Carado

whatever her name is if they do a little anti-aging on the neck area and she's a really really good actress so she'd probably do good yeah I like her a lot maybe ronda rousey a dire hair black but i don't think she's a fucking good actress at all and and like if she's bad man it would be it would suck to have an annoying character on like a show i like and

like oh here we go it's a fucking ronda episode so maggie q is the asian chick from Designated Survivor? No. Female action star. No. Okay. You don't like her. No. I'm pretty sure she's the one from... Oh, yeah. Designated Survivor.

Yeah. She's the one who was always beating up men single-handedly with her little spaghetti arms. Yeah, yeah. Oh. Yeah. Get the fuck out of here. Please. Gina Carano's a war hero, and she can't run half a mile in that show.

Yeah, but at least she can bench press 120 pounds probably can bench press oh she can absolutely she couldn't bench press 120 pounds she couldn't get out of bed that woman look i i don't want some string bean little bitch who like can't do the she's supposed to be some sort of like high-end like storm drop trooper or whatever the fuck right she's supposed to i want a big beefy woman who's fit too expensive but shit scarlett johanneson how close did i come with that johansson johansson most of the way there um uh if you could afford her she'd be cool i i like her as an action star even though she's more model than fighter yeah i want some i'd like somebody big pretty great as a character no fuck her i want someone who can act too like you gotta be big and act like it's it's i get it it's hard they had nailed it with gina carano she just

needed to watch her weight and not go after the jews i'll be fair i don't think what she said was meant to be inherently anti-semitic i agree yeah i she's like we're persecuted like the jews were in germany uh just fucking settle down bitch like yeah it yeah it's like that scene in Sopranos where the Cuban guy is like they're all hanging out at like Herman's horse stables Herman is Tony's like Jewish friend like super wealthy guy

and their Cuban friend is talking about Fidel Castro I think and he's like some of the stuff they did it was it was no better than Hiller man it was just the same he's like, some of the stuff they did, it was, it was no better than Hitler, man. It was just the same. And he's like, if you have that kind of anti-Semitism in you, frankly, I don't want you at my home. Just as bad as Hitler? What are you thinking? He's like, what are you saying to me, my man? Like, like has a complete meltdown. And it's like, well, come on. He wasn't trying to make light the Holocaust.

He was trying to tell you how evil he thought Castro was. And things just got twisted up there. And I feel like that's what Gina Carano was doing too because she seems like a conservative and I bet she's like Christian conservative, right wing, Israel does no wrong kind of conservative. I bet she is 100% team Semitism. Like I don't think she has an anti-Semitic bone in her body.

She's her big, big boned body. But I don't know about her Christian beliefs. I haven't seen that, but it could be right. I just think she's in a bubble that believes that, like, conservatives are being hunted and chased down and the tech companies are picking on them through no fault of their own. That life's just not fair and they're being teased and picked on. Yeah, but on some level, although I agree with the sentiment of that, I do too.

Seriously stupid fucking set of beliefs, right? On another level, it's kind of like, although I agree with the sentiment of that's a seriously stupid fucking set of beliefs, right? On another level, it's kind of like, do I care? I want my actors to be good actors and well cast for their part. Do I care who they are as people? I don't care who they are as people. I don't care if they're criminals. Like, look. You mean if they were criminals?

No, no, no. If they are currently out there committing crimes. I see. Like Kevin Spacey, for example, right? Now, I didn't follow that case after he got fired from House of Cards, which is one of the greatest TV shows of all time. I know Woody found it to be diminished as the seasons went on. Season one is the best, but I think it's very similar to true blood in that it was like amazing

really good great all right it's still one of the better shows you know it was kind of like that it was like it wasn't like ah this is garbage now it was like man this is still really fucking good compared to everything else it just doesn't live up to what it was and it was netflix which is and it was netflix it was it was their flagpole and didn't follow the case, but it seemed to me that he ended up being kind of innocent of all the charges as far as the law was concerned. Notice I threw that into the end. It was like, all right, all of his accusers have either recanted or mysteriously died. And that's good enough for me. or mysteriously died, and that's good enough for me.

Yeah, I kind of like the other argument Kyle alluded to earlier in the night, which is this is the free market you loved. You know, free speech doesn't mean free from repercussions. The people who watch this TV show have decided they don't want her on it.

This is what you asked for. It's just a free market but we can judge that one way or the other right we can say it would do is that something that we would agree with is that something that should happen this is the way we want society to look is that something that we're interested in seeing more of or less of i think it's a very interesting kind of look at that for something i know almost nothing about again but it's just kind of interesting poking yeah it's yeah like i was saying, Disney founded by a huge anti-Semite.

The Star Wars original three episodes have tons of anti-Semitism in them. I didn't know that. Like what? Come on. I fucking hate Star Wars, so I'm fine with what they do. So much racism is in Star Wars. Jabba the Hutt's obviously Jewish. No, there are space Jewss and there are no i'm

thinking star trek star trek actually has had space jews and the ferengi the ferengi are literally space jews it's the most anti they're like well we can't go full on board give them big noses let's big ears they'll they'll hear the dog whistle big ears greedy people real greedy. They're always scheming. They're sneaky Yeah, and they're ugly too. Well. Well, can we give them ugly? No, the way is one of the way that misinformation passes by the way This is from my fucking masters work, right? It was looking at this really it's one of the things is you well some of the stuff you look at you see this you you Lose track of the source so you remember the information, but you lose track of the fucking source

So like when I finish the show I'm gonna have to go look that shit up because otherwise that's gonna be sitting around in my head and like two years later I'll repeat that to someone like an idiot and I'll have like Kyle's characters joke out there and I'll be like yeah they were space Jews so I'm in about two things all right and one of them is Star Trek. Guns and Star Trek. The second one is fake Holocaust theories. I know about this about you, though. You can't use that.

All right. Well, that's called a joke. But this is not a joke. The Ferengi in Star Trek are literally space Jews. Like, just Google Ferengi space Jew. And I've never done it before myself, but I guarantee you'll get a whole bunch of blog posts or someone breaking it down.

It's essentially they're from this race of people who are ultra-capitalists. Their religion is based around, oh, what's it called? It's the rules of acquisition. The rules of acquisition are like their 10 commandments, but there's like hundreds of them. There's like 250 of them. And it's every one of them is like a greedy thing. It's like never allow family to come between you and profit. That's one of the rules of acquisition.

It's like rule of acquisition number nine or something like that. And each of them is just like that. They're all about profiteering, merciless capitalism. If you get in trouble on their planet, you can literally buy. Part of the law is like, oh, yeah, he murdered. That's going to cost him a pretty penny. You pay your way out of everything um the the the like the leader of the planet the grand nagus is like the wealthiest guy and it's his job to lead by example with his opulence you know he

needs gold toilets and oh is it gold plated oh no no no solid gold and it's everything is like that they are literally space jews it's a very anti-semitic race of people and it was meant to be i'm talking about star trek well originally i was talking about like that disney is a bit ridiculous pointing at going after anyone for anti-semitism being as they're founded by walt disney a huge anti-semi they're allowed to turn the corner on that though right what you misunderstand is this is one of the most powerful corporations on earth they don't have to be consistent i thought you were going a different direction with that okay yeah told you the ferengi there you go these guys are hideous yeah notice their big ears like what i was saying was like they all right we can't give them big fucking beak noses we can't

you think that they went with the big ears because i know they did no one will guess that we're talking i know they did like like like like he filthy linked a wikipedia article here and there's a whole um category uh on there about the comparisons with anti-semitic stereotypes um with the ferengi in in the show um they are like one of them that that line the line in the midway through that and this is fucking wikipedia i haven't clicked any of the fucking actual citations of god alone knows where this is coming from but it's a ira bear and just to read this ira bear and robert uh howit wolf stayed on the deep space nine dvd commentary the frangie are meant to be 20th century humans the

frangie are us that's the gag the frangie are humans they're more human than humans on star trek because they're so screwed up and so dysfunctional could be yeah they were originally supposed to be so the next generation fired off in the early 90s and they had big shoes to fill because everybody was like you can't make star trek without kirk and spock what is this nonsense who's this bald french man like get the fuck out of here with this and so they were and they were really scrambling we're like we got to make a good show here who's gonna be our bad guy you know like who's earth has made peace with the the the the um klingons and there's like a an armistice with the Romulans. Who's going to be the bad guy? And they're like,

we need a new race of people. And the Ferengi were going to be the big bad. They were going to be like... Yeah, and if you watch the first episode with the Ferengi, they're like, oh yeah, our computer banks say they're someone called the Ferengi.

We haven't had dealings with them in 70 years or something like that. They're very mysterious. And they have this big showdown where they go down to a planet and the Ferengi are kicking the whole bridge crew's ass. They might have guns. Fifth place? That's what I was going to say. Their weapon of choice, they have this laser whip. it's like a whip that's like a lightsaber and they're like whipping the whip on them all

and and fucking um uh jonathan frank's character is getting whipped and everybody's getting beat up and they almost lose to the ferengi the fan reaction was the fuck was that who are these short little space jews that you have picked to be our big bad? And so they had to flip the script. So they're like, all right, Ferengi don't work. There's a big misunderstanding with the Ferengi, it turns out. Ferengi don't work. Now they're comic relief.

And so they made them a joke thereafter. more they were always the sneaky conniving villain who would only get the edge over um our characters by like putting some sort of sleep gas in the in the air support systems and like putting everyone to sleep but then their their goal would be to come in and steal the steel things like steel technology and like valuables and women like that would always be their like mode of operation it would never be like war like they'd their like mode of operation it would never be like war like they'd always run from a fight they would never want a full-on confrontation and we mentioned him earlier clint howard ugly uh played a ferengi several times only because they didn't have to go through makeup no makeup at all that's just how he looks bring your based

on how his actual face every so often the friend face every so often the wisdom that i thought was really cool you know they teach about how money prevents war and stuff like that and it was it was kind of interesting to see them come through in deep space nine there's a great episode that i think woody is is um thinking of here where like there's a there's a real confrontation to be had between galactic superpowers, not just humans against Klingons. It's like the humans in the entire Alpha Quadrant and everyone from the Gamma Quadrant. It's like 12 races against four races, and it's trouble.

Trillions could die. and like it's trouble it's like like like trillions could die and uh the ferengi guy jumps in and starts negotiating like it's a business deal and like gets and like saves the day essentially it's that is the day with shrewd businessmanship with shrewd business well he's making a certain kind of sense like you know you guys are about to take a decision. We just had a president who used that same kind of rationale. Who does? Our last president came in. Assured businessman. Going to solve all the problems.

How is history going to look on Trump? In terms of what? What's in the... Shut up. Sorry, my phone. It's muted and it's talking. You call your phone filthy? I'm flattered. What's in the first paragraph of his bio is it all about being double impeached inciting a riot that took

over the capitol and downplaying the covid and causing extra hundred thousand deaths or i think it's a no i think it's i don't even think it's anything to do with what he did anything to do with our reactions to that i think it's everything to do with the processing of information on a kind of societal level. I think the footnote in history about Trump is misinformation, not anything to do with Trump. It's about lying. I think it's a, well, it's about how does society deal with a platforming misinformation and dealing with what is essentially supposed to be a democracy of informed voters making decisions about things with a world with information accessible like this. I think that's got to be the footnote from that. Because if we don't come past that, we don't have a future

for that, right? If this devolves like that, sure. Goodbye. My viewers have heard me talk about this before. Like three elections ago, maybe? YouTube was was new but it was young. So I was like, next election, it's going to be the coolest thing. Politicians can't lie anymore. That was the Woody prediction. That was how I saw it. I was like, what the Daily Show is doing is going to be democratized. And everyone's going to do it. You say one thing in front of one crowd and a different thing in front of a different crowd.

And that will get on YouTube. And people will juxtapose the two against each other. And it will be impossible to lie. But what actually happened is people just take one and said, choose this to be my truth. And it's made lying so much easier because it lets people pick their news. It's not in the short term. It's a short term problem. It's a short term problem. And look, I'm not an optimist any any sense of the fucking word right but we got two solutions for that right the one is we deal with that because this is essentially

it's i don't want to be like melodramatic about it's not like a species threatening problem necessarily but it's it's it's a it's it's a huge problem going forward with that if that type of information or misinformation doesn't get countered right if there isn't something in place to deny that because it's always more work to to it's this is like the the strategy of gish galloping right the idea of throwing a bunch of shitty arguments at someone right you wear them out of time you wear them out the ability to do that like in your five second window of media they don't have the ability to respond to that we can't govern like that. That's

not a sustainable forward-moving strategy for this. So if it devolves to that, we're fucked. The problem isn't that people lie. The problem isn't that people gish gallop. The problem is that people like it when they're lying and gish gallop too. The problem is that people choose it. The truth is out there and it's not hard to find. You can go to Facebook and debunk one post after another with 30 seconds worth of research. The issue. But it's neither of those things. You're like half right, Woody, right? You can still hear me.

Half more than normal? Yeah, I can hear you. You can still hear me, yeah. No, no, no. I'm not bashing you for anything. This is just literally you're half right on that, right? And you're half right in the sense that those strategies are more effective in that time period, right? Like they're more effective persuasive strategies, right?

They reach people better. And you're right. People are happy to do their echo chamber, happy to just recite that shit. They're not doing any of that basic little bit of work that needs to be done to do that. Okay, well, this is like self-improvement. You know you're a lazy fuck. You don't build like a workout routine that allows you to be a lazy fuck if you want to try to do something about that but if that's the same with our americans if you're saying that's like a natural

reaction of people to do that self-selection though then you can't really train it out of people well but it's not a matter of training it out of people you build a system that accounts for the fact at the base level that people will be lazy about their information processing that's part of how you build a system you want twitter to censor you don't you don't decide each day if you're going to work out you build your routine for that so you like oh go ahead kyle all right so i agree with both of you by the way i think i think you're all right about this and that's what we need i'm only half right it's been established truth if that brought the expert on you got to get the expert view.

Home team. If you're going with both, I'm going to go with neither. So, look, the real issue is that Woody hit on something where people want to hear what they want to hear. You don't want to hear that your side did something wrong. I know I don't

like hearing about like, oh yeah, the United States did this war crime or that war crime. I'm like, we probably needed to. It was probably required. What were the circumstances? They did it first, right? Every other time we had a good reason to. So I bet this time we did also.

There's this apologist sort of thing. And I'm like, why are you anti-American? Why are you talking about what actually happened? I don't want to hear that. I don't want the truth. I don't want the truth. I don't want the truth. You know, you can feel like that at times. And right now you got the blue side and the red side,

and that's a big part of the problem. When I hear Trump talking about, or when I hear people talking about Trump perhaps creating his own party, so I don't want Trump to start his own party, but I want someone to start their own party because I think we I don't want Trump to start his own party, but I want someone to start their own party because I think we do need a three party system because the third party would be so much bigger than the other two. And then if they had a news organization that was like,

well, here's an issue we're completely wrong on, or here's, here's why we're right. Here's why they're wrong. There's so right now what's, what's happening is a debate over transgender high school athletes. What's actually happening is that the Democrats, Biden, signed an executive order, and it says something in the nature of transgender people will have all the same rights as everyone else. All right, just get over it. They have all the same rights. They always did. I'm just saying it. And it's, it's understand that. Well, the conservatives are taking the line. And you can look at it, there's two ways to look at it. I don't know which one's quite right. They're saying, ah, this is a great wedge issue for us. If we frame it under the guise of what the Democrats are doing is killing women's sports. sex is male, but their gender is female, to be able to play with athletes whose sex is female,

regardless of their gender. And that will destroy female athletics at the high school, collegiate, and professional levels. And it absolutely will. And they are very wily, and it's a very smart move for them to to to sort of twist things a little bit and create that wedge issue issue because it's a losing issue something like in the high 70s low 80 percent of people polled in the united states people not republicans not not a fox poll not a cnn poll 70 78 to 82 percent are like yeah people whose sex is male should not be competing with people whose sex is female at any level of athletics we saw the like under 15 boys team beat like the the national championship women's team a few years ago in soccer like yeah like beat the shit out of them it was like six to

one or six to two or something like that there's examples. You talk about lung capacity and heart size and bone density. Some 15-year-olds are men. Small direction. Small caveat on that, Kyle, which is the direction, right? We're okay with the, or at least I speak for myself, I guess, when I say this. We're okay with, or I'm okay with women competing with biologically born women competing with biologically born men in that in that direction if they have a trend if they change if they're gendered they absolutely yes right like the idea is essentially we don't give people with biological baseline

advantages equal access to the same the same category because that's not just setting up you're setting up overlapping female will have to play with people whose sex is female people whose sex is male because what you're doing is just setting up overlapping curves and then you're comparing the far extreme on the curves but phil do i understand that you were saying it sex female you can play with either sex male play with male is that what well the idea is if you want a handicap because you're fighting you're engaged in some sport with people who have biological advantages above and beyond your advantages, and you want to play in that league, I'm okay with that. I agree. What I

don't want is the opposite. Let me jump on with you. In weightlifting and bodybuilding, there are competitions where you're pretty much allowed to use steroids and competitions where you're tested for it. You're not supposed to. If you're a natural athlete, which is a non-steroid term, I'm okay with you competing in both. I think that's analogous to what you're saying. Exactly. Certain sports, it just doesn't matter.

Chess. I personally... I was going to use chess. Any kind of racing sport. The thing is... This is sort of a misogynistic fun little issue use chess uh any any kind of racing sport the thing is the thing is no no no so this this is sort of a misogynistic like like fun little issue to like girls what's what's happening here because women for the most part struggle mightily in chess against men that is the reason why there is men's and women's chess, billiards, darts,

plenty of sports which don't require physical height, weight, strength advantages. Nobody ever said bone density mattered when you're taking someone's fucking rook. Why do you think that? Although, to push back on that, there are intellectual things. Why do I think men do better? I think it's because... Oh. Please, please. Sorry, you have a second.

It's just, there are things like when you look at the gender differences biologically for intellectual pursuits or intellectual things, right? Like women are better at facial recognition, right? Like a lot of the studies show this, right? So if you had a game based around facial recognition, you expect a difference based on gender

or based on sex, I guess, depending on how you're looking at this, that would be different between that, right? Like, so you might find that. There might be other domains where that's true, but we're not worried about that would be different between that, right? So you might find that. There might be other domains where that's true, but we're not worried about that quite as much. But it's interesting because you might find that depending on what the types of games you look at that for. You might even in a side where you go, okay, everyone can play this because it's just chess, for example. Or maybe you find some games similar to chess, like another intellectual pursuit that has some component of facial recognition built into it.

And the men might just be worse at it. I want to get Filthy's opinion on my hypothesis here i think that by and large is in general generalities men are more inclined to get hyper focused on things those things can lead them to become computer programmers engineers uh video game enthusiasts woodworkers or whatever and women are more inclined to dabble in lots of different things i think one is a master of one and the other is a you know jack of all trades does that jive with your thought on men and women i've never heard that i've never heard that one way or the other i like the specificity of that i have heard things like um i think this might actually be j Peterson stuff talking about this, might have heard it here, talking about preponderance of men in CEO

kind of positions and the idea being that there's some selection bias there, right? And this is the same stuff with the Scandinavian countries with when you minimize differences in society for what is allowed and what isn't allowed, what is what is pushed for and what isn't pushed for, what you actually see is you maximize biological differences by doing that. Because if you look, there's there's only so many things that are essentially driving a difference. So if you take one of those, one of those big factors, let's say it's 75% of the differences are driven by societal differences, And you move that societal difference from 75 to zero, all the remaining difference is essentially accounted for by something else, in this case, potentially biology. And I'm not sure that's conclusive one way or the other, but you look at that and you say, well, okay, in a society that's essentially equal or the most egalitarian society out there, you would expect the most egalitarian results in terms of the selection that people choose for their professions or their

their career paths and you don't see that you actually see it you see a gender pattern now why is that I don't know that we know and some of the faceted there are certainly back Peter Jordan like Peterson puts out and says you know this is because of gender differences and it that there are societal norms definitely a potential. There are societal norms. That's definitely a potential outcome. There are societal norms that a lot of human beings, believe it or not, still believe in and want to conform to. Traditional gender roles are very appealing to the majority of people.

That being said, no one should be forced to become a housewife just because you got a vagina. And no one should be like, ah, why aren just because you got a vagina and no one should be like ah wait why aren't you out there fucking hitting the bricks don't you want to be the ceo of the company dave this is this is a quality of outcome versus a quality of opportunity right this is what we're discussing right here and the interest the the one that i think we want to aim for is a quality of opportunity like we don't have to see an equal number of 50 50 in every single we don't have to see, for example, in every single business, a perfect representation of if the society of America is 30% X demographic, 20% Y,

50%, you know, Z, we don't have to see every single board look like that. Agree. Right? We don't have to see that, but we do have to have the ability for anyone in that society to potentially obtain those positions if that was something that was interesting to them and not be structurally held back from that. Yeah, of course. I think everyone should be able to do what they want to do without infringing on anyone else's rights. Look, don't get started on those afflicted individuals.

Suddenly, Taylor's judging. Those fallen angels. those afflicted individuals judging yeah fallen angels um yeah as far as the chest thing goes i think that look i don't i don't know a ton about this but like something there has to be something to the the fact that our ancestors survived by being by by for one conforming to gender roles you know women were staying back at the village right and perhaps gathering things near the village and they were doing their core competency

right like the like no seriously what's more valuable are you going to use all the energy that you got from the food to send all the women hunting and the men gathering no that's a terrible that's what I'm getting at so not only is it more maybe i think that over time with the background in ecological psychology right like some of the stuff that you probably these are

that you have these like just so stories right you kind of retro you retroactively say well we have this evolution this evolutionary adaptation well what could that have been good for and it's in dis it's not a disprovable position because there isn't you can't go back and like test it you can't you can't set up situations for that right so you can you can for example do what you just said well if men are stronger and presumably it's the you know if this is like survival of the fittest and it's like only the top percentage are coming back with food you can't you can't waste that with the women going out and the men staying home it's just not good enough you can't test that you can't but you absolutely can't test that you can look you can look at you can look at the tribes of people that still exist and how they do things right

some of these indigenous tribes in this way some of the indigenous tribes in remote parts of the world that's exactly what's still going on and it's not because they watched all in the family and they were like yeah necessarily biologically that's the only way it would have worked you can't but it's the way it you can say traditionally we've done the way it did work like you're saying you can't prove this but now you're just needlessly deconstructing it saying well you can't prove that okay well then prove why did all the hunter-gatherer bands that were successful enough to re leave little monuments that we found why did they all engage in the same behaviors? Because they clearly realized, hey,

these tribes are... Yeah, but you can posit a different alternative for that. It turns out women are a lot more valuable than men. A woman dying... But this is causation versus correlation. We can say these two things move together and then we can say that there could be another third factor causing that. No, that's not even true. I'm saying, verifiably, a tribe

that puts women in dangerous situations with limited amounts of people to give birth is not going to sustain their population. If they need to be putting men in those difficult situations where they could potentially die, you don't send a band of women, which is your bottleneck of expanding your society. That's so obvious. Like we don't need to have a state. I guess I'm responding to the first comment. The first comment was essentially along the lines of like why would you send women hunting and men stay at home? And I'm not sure that wouldn't work.

And it may or may not work. I don't know. But I'm saying that I'm not sure we have the evidence to rule that out as a possible way that could have happened. I think we do. I think there's tons...

The onus is on you to show that those societies existed. Clearly, throughout history, any society knows... I'm not saying they existed. I'm saying I'm not sure that the rationale is biologically that's the best setting depicting the women back at home and the men

throwing spears at mammoths and shit I think when you look at the fossilized remains of humans what they find is the men are always much more beaten up they have many more healed injuries than the women and it's not because the women were better at dodging attacks

it's because they were in fewer dangerous scenarios. It's the way it almost has to be done in my mind, because the way it... Let me hold on. That's how it was done. All these societies did it that way independent of each other. You know, you could go to South America. You could go to South

Africa. You could go to Asia. You could go to America, North America. They all kind of assign the same kind of gender roles which implies to me that certain genders are better at certain roles yeah except i'm talking about what i was getting i don't have like research to back this up but like a part of this goes if we have always done this that doesn't necessarily mean it was the most effective way especially when you look at how close to extermination our race has humans have been before how small some of our social structures were you can't You're implying it wouldn't have been gone. No, I'm not implying shit

I'm just literally saying the way you've said doesn't necessarily prove anything I'm not offering the alternative that this other way existed I'm just saying we have to be really careful of saying that because it was so, therefore it implies this. The thing is, where your argument falls down to me is it would work much better if there were one example. But instead, every example lands the same way. There is no Wonder Woman colony where the women did all the hunting and they tried it. Like, no, literally zero percent of the zero percent of the time okay okay but i can get off our cancer argument and not to the toy again i don't have an i'm not my outcome is not to try to prove there was some like you

know like amazonian like tribe or something like that it's not my point my point is no more along the lines of some of the patterns of behavior that you have are societally generated and not biologically generated so it's it's some of the things you do. Think right now. Think your gender roles of a male and go, how many of those are because biologically I cannot do these other things or how many of these things are society? So to act like there's no input from society seems a little naive to me.

So I actually agree with you, but only in certain places, right? Like if there is a society i'm gonna make it up maybe in russia men don't sing very often right maybe that's considered yeah whatever you know and it's like aha but when we expand our horizons we see that the reason there are no men russian singers is a societal thing it's not a genetic thing it's not a gender thing because when you look elsewhere shucks men are the predominant singers or maybe it's equal but when you do something like hunting versus gathering and they all land on the same they all come up with the same answer key i'm like it's definitely evidence to something it's

definitely evidence to something it's the evidence and again when i'm talking like when we talk about transgender athletes and part of what we're talking about is they have a better chance of surviving i mean it's evidence of like maybe humans being self-aware enough to know. I mean, all right. So that's not a maybe. So men can literally throw a spear harder. Wouldn't you agree on the average? Agreed.

Men can literally have a higher survivability. That's the argument for some of the transgender stuff, right? Which is that essentially one biological set of whatever comes off on average, when you look at the distribution curve, better, right? So you could go, okay, well, in general, there's more difference between genders and there are within genders and there are between genders or whatever you want to do with that, sure. But it's still two curves that overlap

except on the extreme, where one curve is ahead of the other fucking curve. When you look at athletes, it's literally the extreme portion of that curve. So yes, I absolutely agree that biology matters for something. where one curve is ahead of the other fucking curve. When you look at athletes, it's literally the extreme portion of that curve. So yes, I absolutely agree that biology matters for something. But I'm also saying that a portion of the reasons that you do the things you do

and the portion of the reasons that societies have done the things they do are also attributed to factors outside of biology. Biology is not the determinism for everything that happens in that, right? Aha. So I think I'm starting to understand where this ties into the previous conversation,

which is like, why are men better at chess? Societal could be it. It could be that men are rewarded in some way. It could be like how women are better with facial recognition. It's known men are better with spatial reasoning. And so it could be like visualizing the board

or predicting moves, something like that. That's where I was heading the whole time. To me, it's about the fact that these men who, through eons of time, we're not quite sure when that first modern human came about. I think the fossil records go back about 275,000 years, like the oldest one where they're like, yeah, that's mostly us. You go back to like Homo habilis. Homo habilis was creating stone tools like a million years

ago and we don't know if he could speak or not. Irrelevant. What I'm getting at is that for a very, very long time the men were hunting and gathering and the men who could hunt and gather best and who could do things like drive the mammoths off the cliff to come up with an ambush scenario, to compete with other groups of humans in war, the ones who were most tactically minded survived. survived so tactically this is the problem this is this is where you hit the problem not anything none of your conclusions none of your arguments is the problem of how you're getting there and the problem how you're getting there is you're making just so stories and you're saying because you go these things happened i see a logical connection between them that says this and that's this is the problem that evo psych so you think the problem is that those things may not have happened because there could possibly be alternative explanations and i don't think

the more the more there is a possible other explanation is like just so arguments than yours is a no argument because all you're saying is you can't prove this or you can't make an educated assumption based on we can absolutely look at how nations tell her tell a strong man me for a second right i like steelman me for a second. Tell me what my argument is because I don't think you're hearing me. What do you mean? We've been having the discussion for like 20 minutes now.

Sure, steelman me for a second. Tell me what I'm saying. Steelman? I've never heard that. Okay, so the strawman is you give the person you're talking to the least credible version of the argument so you can poke holes in it.

Steelman is you rephrase the other person's argument as best you can to give him the most solid idea that's basically showing i understand and move forward so i so your argument where i disagree is i think that you're saying there's too much up in the air like i think like your whole thing is obviously there's some biological determinism there obviously no one would deny that. But you're saying society is impacting that, too. And we can't put an exact dot on, oh, in this society right here, maybe it's a 50-50 split. In this society, oh, my goodness, maybe it's a 70-30.

We can't nail it down as to what it is. So let me hit the problem that you're having because you're not saying what I'm saying. What I'm saying is we have to be really cautious making arguments going okay all this shit happened in the past in this way therefore it means x y or z we have to be really cautious doing that we can't test these there's no experimental method you can do with that's true there absolutely is there's dog breeding i mean i mean look look look there's racehorse breeding there's a reason you could you could argue all right let me let me just make this you can argue the difference okay let me just make this small point and get there's a reason why when a horse wins the fucking kentucky derby all of a sudden his semen is incredibly

valuable and it it it's not a societal thing either it has nothing to do with like what kind of society that horse came from it's all about about his genetics. It's like, Hey, that's a fast horse. His children are much more likely to be champions than any old, any other old random horse. And so I'm just saying that the hunter gatherer tribes that survive, you can go back to the Plains Indians, for example, the ones that were, that, that were best at their job were the ones who were most likely to pass on their genes. The ones who were not as good at their jobs were much less likely, not only because they might starve, but because the more successful tribe- Let me give you a textbook counterexample of this. You ready? Yeah.

We evolve these structures because they're the best structures we can have, right? We evolve these because they, because this is, looking at have, right? We evolve these because this is looking at this. We look at this backwards and we go, this is the outcome that would be most beneficial for coming out of this. Look at the fucking human eye. The human eye is a joke, right? You could design that so much better. The way it works isn't optimal. It was just evolutionarily better than the alternative for this to some degree, right?

So we look at this. optimal. It was just evolutionarily better than the alternative for this to some degree, right? So, we look at this. So, where I wanted to go with this, sorry, because I kind of got sidetracked on that thought for this, but where I want to go with this is, okay, you do something like memory for faces, right? You can test this now. You can go in, you can put people in experimental paradigms now, and you can test for that you can experimentally say okay we you know we we double blind this whatever else you know we we set these people up in these control groups we we make sure we're doing the experiment correctly and we can say all right women are better at facial recognition than men for example or you can do this experimentally you can do this with you go okay uh you test like you know thousands of men and thousands of women you look at their strength

their grip strength their whatever the this the distance they can throw at the spirit doesn't make any fucking difference. Whatever you can do with this. You can test these experimentally. You cannot test these evolutionary hypotheses as easily backwards like that. So when you make these conclusions drawn from that as an evidence of, well, it worked. This seems to have happened this way historically. Or there are more examples of it this way.

You have to be really careful with those conclusions because you can't conclude that with okay so let's take it piece by piece of strength let's take it piece by piece because i still don't quite understand what you're trying to say you would agree that a tribe of people who had more food would be more successful sure okay so there's a lot of factors that would lead to a tribe getting more food. Yeah, sure. I guess I'd have to caveat that. If tribes are failing because of lack of food, the tribe with more food solving that is more. Yeah, sure, sure.

I think in general I can give you that, sure. Yeah, all I'm saying is the tools that would get more food would be more successful hunter-gatherersers sure and so you're solving for the problem of food sure that certainly could be that with the biggest thing is like i don't think we but solving the problem goes is the bedrock of society by the way it's at the point where you have enough food where you have this division of labor so that when you have enough food, you can have division of labor. When you can have 10% of your population feeding 110% of your population, then all of a sudden you can have artisans, you can have creatives, you can have a hierarchy of leadership, you can have religion, philosophy, art, all of those things.

philosophy, art, all of those things. The bedrock of all society is literally having guys who can throw good spears and having guys who can figure out agriculture. And having women who are safe to procreate and increase the number. And so if I can get in for a sec, my whole, I guess, what I take umbrage with of what you're saying is that you can absolutely look at massive patterns throughout human history and how societies are organized, how groups of people make decisions, societal roles, and you can make assumptions based on that. And so when you say, hey, oh, well, there's no experiment. We don't have a pure group that we can go to and do an A-B test. Like, that's true, but we need like making assumptions and looking at patterns. Pattern recognition is kind of one of the things that makes us human. We can absolutely do that. And then go in to hold on to a degree of accuracy. You would say that looking at those

things and inferring gives us a better than 50% chance of being right and predicting something. And because of that, it has predictive value. And so we can absolutely look at these things and discern like, Oh, this is kind of why this happened. Is it 100 percent? No. But to say that we can't make those statements at all because it's we got to be really risky. It's unless we can do it in a lab coat in the year 2021 like that. You lose me there. say maybe i lose you say i lose you there but i'm not sure i do because what you just said is you just actually represented them as one as a slightly less sure thing than the other which is the only point i brought up for this right which is you can say with the one okay we experimentally tested that and all you know in 500 i don't know what the fuck the number of societies are out there right now in all major countries recently we had a you know a 20 000 population uh experiment with this with 20 000 participants000 participants in this experiment

across many different cultures, and this all tested the same for a difference in, for example, facial recognition in women across all cultures that we tested this in at a significant difference. And you can make that as a test. Your degree of certainty in that result is higher than your degree of uncertainty when you go,

okay, these things have happened in the past, but we can't experimentally test any of those. You can say, yeah, there's a pattern, but your degree of certainty is lower, which is the only point I brought up with this. I think we might be talking past each other a bit. I was more this whole time fixated on the

hunter-gatherer thing, in that we can look at the roles and draw really kind of pretty set-in-stone inferences about every society that's gained any kind of success we've ever seen crop up on this planet. Not so much the, obviously, if we're talking about something like facial recognition, yeah, like we can get a lot better gauge on that because we can do it. And I guess, I guess my problem and my pushback is, is not that we, we might look at these same things and actually come out the same results of this and

say, that seems to be that my, problem is the certainty which we should attach that. I go, to me, I hear that. I think, yeah, probably that makes a lot of sense. That inherently seems to be true, but it might not be because I can't go manipulate the fucking variables to test that. And we can't do that. So we have to be more careful with that information that has to be attached to lower probability than the other information that we're coming out of this. So like, to me, that that's meaningful to stick on like the hunter-gatherer examples as we started with like would you say like given what we've learned on that like because there's so much evidence across the world it's like okay we do have a fundamental

understanding kind of of why males did this females did this unless something groundbreaking comes up this will be our underlying assumption as to why societies were organized this way the world over well again this is the eye example I don't think I introduced this very well, right? Which is we could say, well, you know, sight. Sight is a really important element, right? It's going to allow us to identify friend from foe, threat from safety, food from garbage, or whatever the hell it happens to be. You know, it would make sense. There's a lot of selection pressure on the eye. We're really going to get this nailed down an efficient, functional thing. People with more efficient eyes are going to be better at this.

Okay. Except the eye is an evolutionary fuck up. It essentially does things less efficiently because it just happened to evolve that way and work enough that maybe it was better than competitors or maybe it was okay enough that it does it, right? So, the problem for me is I don't want to draw the single conclusion from this going, hey, these things are seeming to point evidence in this direction. We can't test them. We can't manipulate them.

We can't prove them. We say this is what we've been seeing. And it certainly is evidence. If all societies do something compared to no societies do that, we go, that's probably more likely. do something compared to no societies do that, we go, that's probably more likely. But it's still at a lower level of probability than the one that we can experimentally manipulate and see, look, we poked this five

fucking ways, we moved these variables around and it always comes out the same way. This is pretty damn certain. It's about as certain as science gets. Right? And those are different. Those are different levels of how much weight we can attach to those. Sure. So, yeah, okay. That's my point.

So when I asked you to steal me, I mean, that's the point I was trying to make. I don't disagree mostly with your conclusions. I think that seems reasonable. That seems probable, but I can't be as certain on those conclusions as I can about other conclusions. No, I want to keep arguing about it.

I love arguing. Yeah, it's fun. Man, I would have... Being a caveman would have sucked. Would there have been any good sides? Probably not, right? I was trying to think of like... Cave bitches.

I mean, how far... The furthest back I'd ever want to go and live there would be like Rome. Because Rome was even better than like some of the Middle Ages nonsense. But you go further back from Rome before... Oh, way better. Maybe ancient Greece.

Maybe ancient Greece, the furthest back, I'd be willing to to go taylor i think you'd be a pretty alpha caveman right i i think that the the skill set you possess which is pull day would be and head butts uh but he would have grown up without a mother he would have killed her in childbirth true and then they would have sacrificed me to the gods i think that you do really well as a caveman right like you would be the the chief in this situation all the bitches would be yours you'd have what is that thing where kings get to break in the newlyweds and oh i introduced prima noct Yeah, Prima Nocta would be a thing under your society if you wanted it. I think you're underselling.

Can anyone believe there was a reasonable thought process behind that? That was a king like, I want to fuck that girl and she's married. She's married to that guy. I'm fucking her anyways. There's no way that was any other benefit from that. Can you imagine leaders of tribes in the Stone Age? Grug nuke kick, hit with the rock in the back of the head. Now Grug do nuke king.

You get like three days before you got fucked up. Taylor, you're not... This is where you shine. You're not really vulnerable to hit in the head with rock. They'd hit you in the head dozens of times. You'd be like, that is not my weakness. Maybe you're right. Maybe everything's coming up

Taylor in the year 5000 BC. Yeah, that's what I'm getting at. I'm king of the cave. You have anti-concussion and pull day skill sets, and that's all you need. Yeah, and if I'm in charge, I send all the other males out to do the hunting while I fuck all the women. So you asked about pre-Minocta. The point of pre-Minocta wasn't just to get your nobles laid because that would be awfully self-serving and might lead to some revolts as it did. A big part of it was to breed out a group of people that you didn't like rather than fight them. And that's why England did that to england did that would the king go back

like what happened okay okay i buy that for the first child all right king fucks her you know he's amazingly fertile she's really fertile that one night of intercourse she's pregnant okay we blocked out the competitor's sperm what about baby number two does he go back well again we're talking about medieval europe so the firstborn is the only one that matters oh i see because of yeah you're thinking of like how it's passed like lands passed on etc kind of real just like number two yeah absolutely it's real like yeah oh i always sorry mel gibson was so pissed i thought that was made up and uh and there are a couple things like i've seen torture devices that um that were things that they didn't do and and

and i for some reason i thought prima nocta wasn't wasn't yeah well i guess it was a lot you thought it was like uh and they called them pears and the iron maidens and shit you felt like prima nocta was an iron maiden that's what i thought it was sure like because apparently iron maidens were like oh they kind of just made this in like 1870 just made the spookiest thing they could make and then went around to a bunch of rubes who were like, oh, look at this. This is who King Henry

the 16th. They don't know the kings. King Henry. He killed people in this. Give me a pence. A shilling. Whatever it was back in the day. I guess probably still a dime or a dollar, right? Because we didn't change. We didn't change that's cool I'm not getting that far with Google that fast I'm looking for a silly video for us to watch I'm watching three incredibly drunk guys fight in a McDonald's while this one guy just eats his burger. The way I watch your videos is like a 2018 thing, though.

Fair enough. Yeah, it fucking sucks. It's not on YouTube. It's like a gif on Reddit. Oh, if it's a gif. I'm so fucking tired of COVID lockdown. So insanely tired of it. Everybody is getting...

I love it. I mean, I imagine you guys, no problem. What's the acreage of your property? 14 and a half. 14, 6, 5, I think. Something like that. Okay. So you got like a small town in there.

It's mostly grass. I just have elbow space. No one makes noise that gets to my house. And conversely, I make noise. The real freedom is Woody can take to the skies whenever he likes. Yeah, yeah. And his flying chair with balloons. and conversely Woody can take to the skies whenever he likes yeah yeah in his flying chair with balloons I don't know that I'm really locked

I'm a little locked down from COVID because for the past two years I've wanted to have sort of a seasonal effect disorder break I'm just like you know what I'm going to miss a week of the show and I'm going to go to Italy or something or Columbia

and just live my perfect life and come back. What were your thoughts? Red wine or cocaine? They're flying sites and it's warm weather in the winter. Anyway, that's what I wanted to do and it just seems like a couple things.

If it was just me, i was single i think that i probably would have gotten covered a while ago would have got it over with i'd be a little bit inoculated i think i use the term right um you know from having uh had it and be on the other side cool but at this point it's like i've gone this fardown. I don't remember the last time I've left my home. I have an errand to run. It's looming over me, Taylor. I don't remember the last time I've left my home. And it just seems like, shit, you're going to dodge whatever it is, 12 months of COVID, and contract it two months before the vaccine's available?

That seems silly. That's called sunk cost. Getting it right to the finish line and then fumbling. Yeah. And then the other thing is, it's not just a personal decision for me, right? If I come home with COVID and then give it to my wife and my kids and that baby we watch and her family and that whole thing, like...

Thank you. You've got enough room you can all quarantine Everybody it's a different sunroom for two weeks or 10 day whatever it is now We're getting polar vortex temperatures right now, too So it's happened I think two years ago a year and a half ago something like this This is like the displacement of like the fucking polar temperatures that moves down. I think you're pretty close to me Taylor You're probably getting this too right now it's your weather been insanely shitty right now like super cold like really really like consistently cold for the last couple days oh yeah it's been like like it's been around

zero and for st louis zero is very fucking cold so yeah i'm in uh these days it hasn't been enough i was real fucking cold but there there's been enough snow to ruin the roads a little bit but not enough for it to look good at all yeah and i was doing i mean i go up and down on this covid shit but i was doing all right when i could get out like my wife and i were going you know we're going for like hikes and shit and just exploring and like getting out of the house and now it's like every morning we wake up we look at the weather it's like minus six feels like minus 25 and i'm like hmm i guess i'm staying in again you know and it's like and there's something about it right like the covid already restricts your shit right and you're already pissed off about this

you're like i want to go sit in a bar and have a fucking drink and have a chat with someone and just like shoot the shit and enjoy myself go i want to go to a restaurant and sit down there instead of have a takeout kind of deal right and then it's something particularly insulting about the fucking fact that now it's also so ridiculously cold outside that it's like going outside i could do it out of spite right i could go out for this and be like fuck it i'm going out anyways i'm gonna go for a walk in this i'm gonna fucking enjoy it but it's so fucking cold out there right now that it's just so miserable to do this i know right it feels like i i would imagine a significant portion of my fellow Iowans are not surviving this.

That COVID's going strong? We can survive this because we refused to lock down for two weeks a year ago. We should have. Oh, yeah. If we would have done two weeks, it would have got rid of it, right? Yeah. You can't be that naive. I mean, I just look at the countries that did it and how they're having fucking football games full of people.

The countries that did it still had months and months and months of lockdowns. New Zealand knocked it right out. New Zealand has 11 people, and it was only a few months ago that they fully opened back up, I think. Every time they had like four cases, they were like, oh, back in the closet. My dad has both vaccines now. My dad has had both vaccines now,

so he's had both versions of the vaccine. Okay. Cheater, cheater, pumpkin eater. Carry on. How is he a cheater? I can't get any vaccines, and he's just loading up on all of them. He won the lottery, the COVID lottery,

however they're picking. Oh, he's down in Florida, and he's in his 70s at this point. Why would he have both kinds? So they're like 65 and up vaccinating right now. So anyway, so he's had's down in florida and he's in his um at this point so they they they're like 65 and up vaccinating right now so anyway so um he's had both both shots of that and there's still you're still required after the second shot i think it's three weeks before you're allowed to go out and he is for him he's like counting down the days so he can go to his favorite pub

in fucking saint petersburg and have a beer outside and he's been like he's my dad's an active guy like like you know boating etc like they're down in florida he's out all the fucking time and this has been killing him and i'm so excited for him and i'm so jealous of like you know i don't think you're supposed to be running around super much when you get it but like at that point like i mean you start looking at these right like the percentage of you catching it is whatever you know like you look at these numbers i think it's 95 efficient and they're a little bit not clear on that for the newer strains for that. But like, it's like, so now you're like, all right, I was already at X percent.

And now I've taken away 95% of that. So you multiply it by 0.05 and that's your now percentage of getting it. And you're just like, fuck it. I'm going to have a beer. And I wish to be in that situation. I'm ready for that situation. I want to go to Las Vegas and play some poker and uh i've been watching this poker uh vlogger and they they have these like plexiglass like cones of silence

around each player when you sit down at the poker table now like everybody's like enclosed sitting around the table i'm like oh God, it's so fucking lame. I'll be glad. I want to get, I really want to sit down and play some Texas. Hold them. Whenever I get vaccinated. That's that's,

I think maybe I'll go to Colorado, Colorado, do some vacationing for like a month, two months, at least right off the bat. And, uh, I want to go to the casino.

I'll go play some fucking hold them. I want that vaccine as fast as possible. You can't even talk to people like his poker, like the social part of it's huge yeah a little bit it's you can still talk it's just or i guess friends like you wouldn't know easier to ignore them yeah i'm not getting tilted as much from here i never mind our viewers have heard me talk about there are these paramotor events they call it a fly-in and there'll be hundreds of pilots and stuff and um i don't want i don't know how to say this without being an arrogant asshole but me at a fly-in would be a little bit like kyle at a gun show like strangers will come up and want to shake my hand or ask me about some video i made or something like that and i need to be vaccinated

like it just should be for it to be smart i know it's a smaller field, but whatever. Anyway, I didn't realize how much I missed it. I don't think a day goes by that I don't think about this thing. I've been getting fit. I'm like, I can't wait for them to see the new me. I mean, I flew the other day. I'm like, I gotta practice my skills. I'm gonna be evaluated.

I don't know. I wanna go. I wanna see people. I wanna see my friends. I've got friends that I talk to online every day. They're all gonna make it. And I wanna make go. I want to see people. I want to see my friends. I've got friends that I talk to online every day. They're all going to make it, you know, and I want to make it. Yeah. My mom's just about to get the vaccine.

She's a teacher, so she's in the next round. Yeah, my grandma got one. I think she got her second one on Thursday or today. Nice. And this is just a little bit of Woody bullshit, so put your faith in it. And this is just a little bit of Woody bullshit, so don't put any faith in it. But I have this idea that after the first shot, you're at least partially inoculated. Yeah.

Maybe two-thirds effective. And then the second shot bumps it up to 95. Right? Doesn't that just pass the sniff test? I know she got the first one last week, and she started feeling shitty, and she had go to the hospital that like 18 hours after she was vomiting a bunch. Yeah. And then complications or something. They didn't know. They just said, I guess when they give you the vaccine, like if you start feeling shitty,

just like stay in touch so they can keep track of stuff and keep all the data. So she's she's feeling better now. Like it was like a day and a half where she's like, I can't, I couldn't even keep anything but like small steps of water down. I was vomiting and shitting constantly. It was horrible. I couldn't hardly get up off out of bed,

but you know, she's fine. That's a good sign. I don't know if they're just trying to pat you on the back and say, great, but apparently if your body reacts to the vaccine, that means your body is building the antibodies and preparing you for actual

battle. And she should have real deal antibodies now. It would seem so, yeah. Whereas if you get it and have no reaction to it, then we don't know you might be one of the less effective people. And it could have been just totally unrelated. It was just weird that it happened

just like hours afterward. I'm jealous of the the statement woody that covet has been like a call to fitness for you like all the things i do for fitness like especially in the winter hard and then doubly so when i can't fucking go to like a gym i can't like i want to go rock climbing i i finally moved to a location that has a rock climbing gym again it's 20 minutes away totally accessible it's a great gym i'm really happy to do it i've been waiting on covid the entire time i've been here i'm just like for fuck's sake i spent two years where i couldn't get to one and now there's one like down the road and i can't use it are they open with masks like climbing uh yeah so it's um university of iowa i think it is has a um you can get a public pass to their

their rec center essentially and yeah so they're they're they're open for that there's like limited like hours limited stuff but just go and wear a mask you're not going out i'm trying really hard not to be doing this for fucking five more years right i feel like socially obligated to do this shit right like it's kind of like i don't know what this is i got lost you try not to do this quarantining for covid right like trying not to be part of public spaces etc the second i get vaccinated i'm going like you know if i cut my risk by 95 i was already kind of on the border of like how risky i felt this was you know and i'm like if that's happening i'm gonna fucking do that but i feel like the more people if i don't do this if i'm just like

shit i'm gonna go wherever i want do whatever i want and i'll deal with covid and i'm probably young and it probably won't bother me and it probably won't be a long hauler and all that's probably statistically true. I'm still fucking it up for everyone else. If I can get vaccinated and do this. All right. All right. My social obligation is done.

I'm going to go do the fuck I want. And I've been waiting to do this for a long time. So this is killing me like this end bit. I'm just like, let's go. Let's go. The last two times we talked to you, you're like,

I just need to get back somewhere near a climbing gym and everything will work out. Just need that fucking climbing gym. And now you're there. And it's like, I just need to get back somewhere near a climbing gym and everything will work out. Just need that fucking climbing gym. And now you're there. I know what I'm like looking at it. I'm like, not having it. It sounds like we have a similar mindset. It's not even

me. It's not even you. It's that you don't want to infect people you care about or don't care about. I don't even care about them. I don't give a fuck. I don't even like people. I just feel like this is, it's just the shorter route to the solution right it's like let's not be dumb about this if i could get other people to fucking do this i could be back already you know it's like it's driving me nuts so so i i am uh dealing with my covid by drinking so you're like you know i hope they see the new me i'm like let's bury the new me let's get them down a little bit

like when we get out of this i'm like i'm happy with the new me now i'm getting through it but like you'll sift your way through this you'll fancy i saw that photo you posted on twitter maybe it was twitter or maybe you shared it here a while ago where it was like i went into the costco or the liquor store and stocked up a bit and it was like had to be 520 dollars of liquor and wines it was like iowa has like apparently like i didn't know this before i moved here it's like sixth or seventh highest like alcohol like cost in the the u.s so every time we go back to visit my wife's parents in illinois i've been stocking up massively on alcohol i'm just like all right we're doing a bennies run i'm buying like

insane amounts of alcohol because it's like i'm not fucking i'm like i'm not dealing with that it seems so stupid like what kind of society taxes this shit? There's no way I should be paying like 30% markup on this shit. It's insane. I don't know. For those of you who don't drink it very often, maybe that's not a big deal, but I drink a lot and I'm like this is

a big savings. It would be financially irresponsible not to stock up when I go back to visit the in-laws. Dave Ramsey would approve. Like living in Missouri, I forget how cheap alcohol is here until I go somewhere else. Like flying through the Salt Lake City Airport before you know that they serve nonsense pretend Mormon beer and spending $8 on a 3% Bud Light that tastes like somebody's spitting it. You're just like, this should be illegal. What's Bud Light that tastes like somebody's spitting it. You're just like, this is, this should be illegal.

What's Bud Light normally? So Bud Light is like four point something percent. Like it's, it's whatever the normal amount, four point something percent, maybe four and a half percent is like the baseline, like light beer percent. And because Mormons are like, can't do that shit. We're lame. You can only get like 3% beer and they don't tell you that like when you're flying in.

And so I ordered one once on a work trip and i was just sitting there like on my layover like oh i must have got like the last one out of the fucking thing like what a terrible beer and then like i mentioned something about it to the guy next to me and he was like oh no we're in utah you just spent eight dollars for you just bought spicy water basically like what you need to he was like what you need to do is there's a there's a workaround so what there's utah breweries and apparently if it's an artisan beer it can be wild percentages of alcohol and so it was like you can have mickel of ultra bud light bud select bud weiser oh those are all 2.53 bullshit beers or you can have the heavy-handed mormon pastor brew and it's nine percent alcohol

and it's like i see what you're doing here you want everybody to buy these ten dollar specialty beers because we're trying to get drunk because we're killing time but even efficiently what you just described is a three percent for eight dollars or a ten dollar for thirteen percent i think i was being overly generous it's probably an eighteen dollar beer or something but uh when you're at the salt lake city airport you can you can spend some cash it's boring as shit there's nothing to do yeah i literally got proselytized to there once but from a mormon i worked when i worked for a second no you know i converted real quick to get him to leave and then and then i renounced um i was uh i was working at this rental car place

when i lived in idaho and one of my like my boss, but like one of the bigger upper area bosses was this hardcore fucking Mormon. And he like took me on this and I knew he was a hardcore Mormon. And this was near the end of my time there. And he like wanted me to go on some lunch with him. Cause he's like, Hey, haven't noticed that you're not selling at all. Did you stop asking people?

And I'm, and I just wanted to, I was like, no, it's just the tide's not right for me you know ebbs and flows in reality it was like do you have your own insurance yeah oh don't buy this nonsense have a good one man like that like i was i was done and he takes me out to this mexican place and we're talking and i don't want to talk about the fucking sales shit because i'm gonna leave this job soon. I don't fucking care. And so, but I know he's really into Mormonism. And so I just started asking him like, Hey, I'm not from Utah or Idaho. So I don't really know much about Mormonism. Tell me, tell me about Mormonism. And while I'm like sitting there, like eating queso, like refilling queso, I was like, Oh hell yeah, dude. Like, yeah, that's tight. Like, and so we talked for a while and he like explained

that Mormonism to me and he's like my high level boss and by the end of it he's like we didn't talk about sales at all he's like loving me because i indulged him talking about moroni and stuff and it was like two weeks later i was at the airport just fucking around and he came up he's like hey taylor can i talk to you real quick and i'm like oh no here comes he's gonna be mad at me because he realized i bamboozled him last time we talked and then he like takes me aside and he's like hey I'm not technically supposed to do this but you know I felt a calling and just take this home with you and he gave me a book of Mormon oh that's so cool dude I was like and I felt I was like and now you understand the power of a blowjob no no but the fact that he and he was such a nice guy i can't understate that he's a very nice guy

and like they all are wasn't they all are really nice and it wasn't like a hey do this like you're a sinner like the way i took it was like like this guy he like in his head he's doing a tremendously kind thing like he's like you know there's an in with this person like i'm gonna help save your soul so i i took it like he was being a goofball obviously but I took it I'm fortified by bourbon here but I want to point out that the people who uh charge the capital believe they were defending democracy this guy could be a book of mormon though yeah I know but my point is that the intentions don't fucking matter right they're not they're not connected to reality on the mormonism thing nice i wish they were right i wish they were right and i wish i believed because that seems like a pretty fucking good religion like like i know they've got some

i know they got some historical stuff i think there was an indian massacre and it's like all right who hasn't massacred the indians they had it coming fucking savages get savaged. That's what fucking happened. Those dirty, fucking can't drink alcohol cannibals needed wiping out and I'm glad. I wish we'd gotten them all. Look at the Missouri Mormon War. It wasn't the Indians. They came in. They started fucking with the

Missourians. The Missourians pushed them out. And so then they went to Utah. Enjoy your fucking casinos, chief. We could use a small box. Descriptors of Missourians, right? out and so then they went to Utah enjoy your fucking I mean no chief we can use a small box descriptors of Missourians right what's that cannibals etc right like I was a bunch of a bunch of no good next bunch of bad bad muffins so almost a lot of the Native American tribes were cannibalistic and very torturous and

super rapey everybody always wants them to be the fucking tribe from Pocahontas or something. A lot of them are still like Stone Age tribes. Of course they did the shit like that. Kind of like Stone Age Jews. They were all Stone Age tribes as far as I know when we got here. Like Stone Age people did a bunch of that kind of stuff. Like rapist,

torture, and then once you get out of Stone Age, all that stops. No more. Yep yep then you're then you're good like us chill forever no if i could pick like like i wish that they were right because what taylor said like like that kind of warmed my heart a little bit like like because i i can imagine that guy and how like like he wasn't trying to recruit taylor for some amway or this is one of those like housewives, like, have you heard about Mary Kay? Like, no, he's like, this would save this young man's soul.

He could be part of the, the, the, the people who have it right. He could be one of us, one of God's chosen people who, who knows the truth and he's interested. Oh, that's so wonderful. I admire this young man and I want the best for him now you know like i i think that's what was going through that guy's heart and i think that's or his mind and his heart i suppose um and uh i don't know i don't believe in especially their version of that mumbo jumbo at all and uh but but i wish i did i wish it were real that do any of you feel that way that you wish that you had religion? This is ignorance is bliss. Except to the next level because it goes beyond ignorance is bliss though.

Like our life is bliss. We have a definition in a route to both happiness and a route to savior in the next world. Like this is the way. Now we know. Now we can move forward in our life world. Like this is the way. Now we know. Now we can move forward in our life with that plan. Isn't that great? I look at it a little differently. Bill Maher said something.

Do you guys know who he is? The comedian, politically incorrect HBO. Now the viewers do too. And he drew this thing. He's like, you know, Christians are the QAnon people. If you look at a Venn diagram, QAnon is just a circle inside of Christian. Why is that?

It's because their mind is opened to bullshit silliness. There is a space in their mind and heart for absolute horseshit. And when they hear Q do his latest drop, they're like, tell me more about your absolute horseshit conspiracy theories with no evidence required whatsoever. Well, fuck. Christians have been flexing that muscle since their dad taught them to do it at six months old.

So you guys are like, man, I wish I my christian muscles a little built up you know i wish i that was my belief system i'm like fuck that belief system fuck that belief system at this point because it opens the door to flat earth bullshit no but the first drive the first drive is like happiness and the second is like accuracy right and my accuracy drive which is pretty strong my wife tells me she gets annoyed with me about this is that's insane that's no evidence that's fucking bullshit another part of me goes like man wouldn't it be nice if you believe that wouldn't it be easy if that was all to be clear what i'm saying do how to do it the route to get there that's great that's a fucking pretty pretty sweet sale and what i what i wish what i wish isn't just that

i believed like everyone else i wish that we existed in a universe where god made himself evident where he came down and like where he came down quarterly had a big meeting with the head of the the mormon church or the pope or whoever and you know they're like cameras were flashing as god walks into the fucking uh vatican and you're like oh i can't wait to hear what how this goes down and you've got like the cameras aren't allowed so we've got like those court drawings and stuff like that of god and the pope and they're like slapping each other on the back and there's a trillion ghosts confirming what heaven and hell are like that you know the quarterly you get to talk to.

Just so you know, Christians don't believe that anyone has gone to heaven or hell yet, I'm pretty sure. I don't know why that sounds really wrong, though. Yeah, I think a big part... Taylor can help me with this. I'll wait until he's got his headset on. I can help you with what? So, Taylor, isn't the belief system in Christianity that... Let's go to our correspondent

that senior correspondent yeah senior religious correspondent taylor murca you were once approached by a mormon tell us what your thoughts well he grew up very religious um isn't it true that like uh the christian belief system proposes that no one has gone to heaven yet that it's during the rapture when uh you when the horns get blown and everything and everyone gets pulled up, that the souls of all of the dead Christians then rise from the grave and go to heaven? Yeah, according to Revelation,

it's all going to happen at once. So nobody's in heaven right now. That's why the priests keep getting blown. They're like, if the horn gets blown, Revelation. I mean, I have my own evidence to draw upon, which which is a Morgan Freeman movie and there's plenty of people in heaven All right, Jim Carrey. We don't see the other good name, man Yeah, it definitely is it Morgan Freeman? Morgan Freeman is God

Bruce Almighty is played by Jim Carrey and Morgan Freeman, but I'm saying that Jim Carrey's the star And Will Ferrell. And Will Ferrell is the standout that made his career. Not Will Ferrell, Steve Carell. In any case, I have frustration with people buying into silly theories right now and just choosing to believe whatever they want to believe in. And I have a hard time not drawing the line from religion to the other wackadoo things that people buy into with no evidence right now.

Agreed. Agreed. A hundred percent. Yeah. I don't wish that I were blissfully ignorant and believed. I wish that I had evidence. I wish it were true. I don't see the difference.

I'm not, I'm not clearing that difference because I guess when I, when I think about that, when I look at the distinction, I go, well, I don't wish it were true i don't see the difference i'm not i'm not clear on that difference because i guess when i when i think about that when i look at the distinction i go well i don't wish it were true because i don't like these morality systems but i do wish i would believe in it and actually adhere to it because then i could just like give up any worries about like any existentialism like crisis of like you know what am I doing with my life? What's the my purpose? What am I here for I could have all that solved? What is the so my guess is that you agree with the morality systems 80% right? You know the thou shalt not kill stuff that seems pretty good stoning adulterers, but yeah In general sure sure what if God came down quarterly and was like you know what i was

misunderstood on that yeah that would be good we could clarify these fucking systems to actually reflect reality that make them better systems you guys seem to think christianity is mostly about hating gay people that's really not the core of the message here right you know what i clarify i don't even know what i actually we could just do that, that would be great. Here's what I actually believe, if God and Satan exist. I think that Satan bamboozled man, if they do exist. Satan wrote the Bible? I think that Satan wrote the Bible. I think that Satan is the person, the entity that we believe God is,

and that God is the entity that we believe Satan is. that we believe God is and that God is the entity that we believe Satan is. I think that that would make much more sense if you believe any of it. Just based on how awful God is when you really boil it down and look at it, have you ever looked into the satanic church and what their nine tenets are? We all know the Ten Commandments, roughly speaking. I couldn't quote them, but we know. There's like four of them about worshiping God. There's like four

of them about, don't you fucking cheat on me. No idols. Do not take the Lord's name in vain. Honor your parents. Don't murder. Don't steal. Don't commit adultery. Something above. Maybe I hear Peterson again with this.

There's a lot of value in this here are the the 11 satanic rules of the earth is this LeVay and satanism yes you know that's a meme right like it's more just a joke so they have to bot have debauched. Why are you crushing my joke? Actually! I'm sorry. Tism fit. Go ahead. I know! I didn't know. I would have repeated it. Although we have to be slightly careful with that meme. We're supposed to present it as a reputable source. That's what makes it funny.

Hold on a minute. How do I engage with you guys? I want you to! I want them to to as well that's how you create misinformation we love that love creating information all right here are the 11 satanic rules of the earth and just imagine like i said that we we transpose god and satan and this is coming from our real god the creator of the universe and and and maybe he the real good guy, and these are the good tenants. And that other stuff is a bunch of selfish, self-serving, controlling gobbledygook. All right. The 11 Satanic rules of the earth.

Do not give opinions or advice unless you're asked. That's pretty good. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them. Same thing. Kind of weird. Kind of redundant. But it fits the bill for deities that we're aware of. Could have been 8, though.

When in another's home, show them respect or else do not go there. If a guest is in your home and anno annoys you treat him cruelty and without mercy do not make sexual advances unless you are given the rate the mating signal which is phrased very oddly but i think it just means don't be a rapey perv um do not take that which does not belong this is why there's like many different sects of sadism, right? I suppose so. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and they cry out to be relieved. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success you will lose all you have

obtained i love that i like that one too even people honest i mean that's gonna do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself what does that i think i think that means um don't complain about something that you're a situation that you're choosing to be in you don't like your job i don't want to hear about it. Fucking get a new job. Okay. You're choosing to be an accountant. You know you want to be a software engineer. You're choosing to be a software engineer.

You know you want to be a YouTuber. Was that all nine? No. I'm not done yet. Do not harm little children. That's number nine. There are two more. Should have led to that love that one do not kill non-human animals unless you you are attacked or they are for your food love that one too yeah that's pretty fair uh doesn't that mean you can't is a is a mosquito

attacking you when it bites you absolutely absolutely sure it's sure? It's stealing my blood. It's literally draining me of my life force and potentially giving me diseases. You can lose that blood with no harm to you. No, you can't because it has diseases and germs. They can give me West Nile and there's no way that you can... A non-diseased mosquito, you can't slap it?

I don't know about that one. I'm not for that one. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him. They're rounding out the list

with the best ones. They should have started hot. I really like this. The nine satanic sins include stupidity, pretentiousness, solipsism. That's a new word for me. It's a vocabulary Thursday for Kyle. I think solipsism means if you believe – it's like believing that everything – if you're a solipsist, you believe that everything is in your head and everything is a figment of your imagination.

But I imagine what they mean by solipsism is like narcissism, right? You're absolutely right. That is the most impressive vocabulary word you've ever pulled out of your hat my friend it is the philosophy idea that only one's mind is sure to exist beautiful self-deceit herd conformatory lack of perspective forgetfulness of past orthodoxies uh counterproductive pride, and lack of aesthetics. Lack of aesthetics? That's a good one. Ugly people.

That's a sin. Fat and ugly? Satan has no time for you. You know what? Hell's going to be a lot hotter. Literally and figuratively. There's going to be better looking people in hell. I don't know.

Some of those pastors that... Oh, no. What am I talking about? Those beautiful manicured TV pastors, they're going to be in hell i don't know some of those some of those pastors that oh no what am i talking about those beautiful manicured tv pastors they're going to be in hell too you know you know what we're almost always hot though if you ever go to like super wow or like one of those big like convention center church meetups the the two like 20 something year old actors they put on stage to put on the skits you know it's a guy and a girl always because they're gonna do like five abstinence skits and then like five more anti-drug skits and uh and then a couple more about keeping the faith i always wanted to nail that chick like like

oh my god they always pick like the cutest fucking like and talented because she's she's on i went to super well i got roped into it like like i didn't go to church um past the age of shit maybe 10 or 11 you know my mom would drag me lucky bastard i know but when i was about 12 or 13 it was when i was homeschooled and i had got maintained friendships with like my two or three like best friends but it was still kind of hard to maintain a friendship when you're in different worlds. Right. And, uh, and so there was another guy who was also homeschooled, who also like had a dad in like my dad's sphere of like influence and they were church people. And so I was, I kind of became friends with David and he was a nice

enough guy. And, uh, David's like, Hey, you know, we're going to Superwow down in Florida. It's great. Superwow, for those who aren't listening, it's probably an acronym. It's probably like Worship of the World or something. But it's a big meetup of teen members from churches all throughout probably the U.S., definitely the southeast. And they all go down to Florida. There's an enormous convention center. I don't know how many people were in there, thousands. And it's like we sing, we listen to some preaching, and we watch some skits that

were frankly well done. It's stage acting. But he sold it to me as like, look, we go to church every day for like two hours, but then we're in Florida, like at a, at a, at like rent at these, at this nice rental house, uh, guys in one house, girls in the other. And we go to the beach every day and swim. We go to the water park twice while we're there. We always like go to the mall and everybody gets a water gun and we have water gun fights in the yard and we we have like cookouts every night we watch wrestling when it's on tv because like so-and-so's uncle's a big wrestling fan you like goldberg right and i'm like sure this sounds great to me it sounds like this sounds like a fun vacation with a bunch of people my age so i got roped into this shit and it was really awful

um they got mad at me because i took the water gun fight too seriously and squirted somebody's dad who like didn't want to be squirted and it's like do you know how much this lacoste shirt costs and like i don't know sixty dollars like why are you fucking wearing something that's so valuable that you can't get it wet, dude? Yeah, what shirt is ruined by water? Exactly. He's like, it's hot water, it's gonna shrink! If you're cutting your size

choice so close that a little warm water on a summer day is gonna shrink this shirt on you, maybe lose a few. Most of my shirts cost $8 and can easily withstand warm water like like like like dude had a meltdown over a fucking lacoste shirt and look i like lacoste this shirt's like you're annoyed by the fact that it challenges like the the durability of your shirt you're like no my shirts even at eight dollars are much stronger and tougher

that was the thing that you're like that that moment from uh guardians of the galaxy was like it cannot go over my head my reflexes are too quick yeah yeah i would catch it that's that's my favorite moment from any superhero don't be too real please continue just like yeah it was a fucking disaster uh i i hated it um i i honestly did god i hate to admit it but i like the songs there's something kind of cool about singing the same song with 10 000 people it's it's the same way that when you watch the lord of the rings and and all the uruk-hai are like who god who yeah that's a that's a powerful thing they're doing right there when you and 10 000 other people are all singing the same song i'm sure you get the same thing at a concert right but even more so when

it's acoustic you know if you're at fucking i don't know like like like you're at a like a rap concert or something like it's not like everybody's really singing along like like they are but you can't hear it it's so goddamn loud there's giant speakers it's a stadium when you're in like a giant like amphitheater type place and acoustic guitar is playing with no accompaniment and everyone is just singing lord i lift your name on high lord i love to sing your praises it's like oh it sounds so good and you're like i'm actually hitting some of these notes all right and it's just you can feel it it it's a it's a good feeling to like be part of like something that big even if it's just you and a bunch of other kids singing the same song i like that i like the skits but the rest of it was just a fucking nightmare i bravely underestimated

how much these people liked wrestling can i can i just go before the caveat to the group singing thing is children group singing i there is nothing more annoying no children's choirs to me are the worst music i'd rather listen to classical i'd rather listen to jazz I'd rather listen to classical. I'd rather listen to jazz. I'd rather listen to death metal. Children's choir is the worst form of music on earth. Would either of your children be in the choir?

Yes. This is a matter where I am a subject matter expert. I wish it hadn't been your turn to talk because I knew about his, uh, about his daughter singing in the choir.

And I was going to, I was like, did he forget? Oh no. Oh no. I, it really, Oh wait,

wait, no, actually his statement upon, she learned to sing. She was the lead in her, uh, senior year play. But,

um, uh, but as a fourth grader, that shit. None of these people have talent. And they think that it's hidden by having like 50 talentless people sing at the same time. But that's not what I'm hearing. I hear it all. So I don't have any kids.

A serious question on a serious note. When Hope succeeds at something like that is that is that a real moment of pride when you're like she's the lead and you're like watching her kill it you know so i felt like it was a moment like i took personal pride that's when she was little little right when like so hope advanced really quickly through like those baby skills. She walked really fast. At, like, nine months old. I hope I'm not exaggerating.

But if I remember right, at, like, nine months old, she could sing the alphabet. It was, like, fucking off the charts. And she was big. You know how they give you those percentiles? It's weight, height, and head circumference. We looked at them like grades. If she didn't get top 90 percent and all like one time she weighed like 85 percent no they give you separate scores and i'm like you're slipping to a b here feed this fucking kid you know she's a straight a kid i believe the

early development like that especially with language skills um really shows itself throughout life i bet taylor spoke very early too i did like i i yeah same i did too like i wasn't gonna be like well actually at seven months i was singing frere jaca but it's like i guarantee as soon as you said that i was like yeah yeah that matters so much like like like those when you've got a kid who's like, that was super early, it's like, damn, this kid's nine months ahead. Like, that matters. I taught her some tricks, too, that would, like,

what's the square root of negative nine? No, the square root of nine, and she'd know it. And she didn't know how to do squares. She just knew that one. Of course not, but that's a nice little thing to throw out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, Let me tell you the square root of nine and then ask no more questions.

Well, they were like half a dozen of them. You know, like, who was the 16th president? She just like rattled on. Don't ask her the 15th. I don't know that. But she does. So, I really don't think it's Buckney.

Yeah, I'm not sure. Thank you for joining me. I knew in the fifth grade. I knew in the fifth grade when I memorized them and then forgot the next day. But to answer your question, when she became like a high school senior and like starred in that play,

well, that wasn't about me. I was just hoping she was having a good day. I was hoping that like she was forming some sort of, what was that cartoon with the core memories? The viewers know this. It was like a Pixar film or something.

There was an angry guy. Toy Story? I have no idea. I'm sorry. This must be way after any of us were kids. Yes, but Inside Out is the name of the movie. Anyway, I was like, I hope that she's getting her core memory, that this is one that she hangs her hat on.

I remember when I was the star and I stood up tall and the light shined on me and I had a moment. Yeah, that's how I know, like, I have no interest in having children, but the one part that I do find the idea of the, the one idea about having children that I find appealing would be sharing in their successes and, and, and their wins. And, but, but if you really like psychoanalyze that, that's a selfish thing. And it goes to compound why i shouldn't have children and it's myself it's my inherent selfishness right because like what i want is like a little baseball star but why do i want that right it's to say like oh look look see that's that's because of me that's i taught him that pitch i i've been out there hitting grounders to him all week that's why he's fucking fucking scooping it up and throwing it.

He's not flinching like Jerry's kid. Yeah, that's why he's beating the shit out of your kid, loser. Right? It's inherently selfish of you if you really psychoanalyze that. But I think that's a good thing. And I think that I don't think we should think of selfishness as a bad thing because the end result is still a positive, is a net positive. It's a kid who's a winner, or it's a kid who's successful, or it's a kid who's

happy. However you want to delineate that, whatever you want to look at it, whatever angle you want to take, it's a good thing. And I think that all parents share in that selfishness. So maybe i'm looking at it too harshly because i think you need to be selfish as a parent i think you need to be like yeah i want i want i want this for him or her and because of how it's going to make me feel and because their happiness means so much to me it has to be a little bit of both right but i think that the drive is irrelevant. The end result is what's paramount.

I feel you. I like the ending on that. Yeah, yeah. Because I was never driven to make her the school star. Like I said, as she was older, it wasn't about me anymore. When she was nine months old, it was, I guess. You're not supposed to compare kids to each

other, but I'm like, they're so comparable. How do you not? They're so comparable. Everyone's keeping score here, right? Like we're all, this is normal behavior? Absolutely they are.

And it's one of those things where like, every, I use this example a lot. Everybody thinks their dad's tough. Right? Every elementary Everybody thinks their dad's tough, right? Every elementary school kid thinks their dad's fucking tough. Everybody thinks that like, you know, their dad's good looking or their mom's good looking or whatever skills, you know, that they have a little bit of, they just tower over little you so much that, yeah, of course.

Yeah. Dad's fucking tough. They're the only adult. But some people actually have tough dads right there's a couple tough dads out there who's like yeah my dad's tough really because my dad kicked his ass last week my dad's tough like there's some of that going on too you want my dad i don't know my dad getting a fight but i saw throughout my hockey career multiple in-the-stands fights between parents. Like hockey dads getting furious at one another. Like, is that your son number 17 just hit my boy? It's like, yeah, he has a clean hit.

Then you look over and I'm in goal 11. I just see two adults fighting again. And it's like they're taking this. And they are exactly what you were saying earlier like they see their kid is like he's gonna be i'm gonna be the father of an nhl player i couldn't make it because i suck too but if i just am overbearing and awful and i beat up this other guy's kids dad yeah there's a lot of aggressive football and hockey and sometimes it's the the result of that can sometimes be incredible right you don't think archie manning was drilling

peyton and eli from an early age who knows what happened to that third brother what's he a fucking real estate agent or something i think i think it was actually an injury i think he actually got like blew out a knee or something like early. Was he the eldest? The first model didn't quite work. I don't recall the specifics. I just looked into it like 10 years ago because I was like, wait, you got – I think Peyton's got two Super Bowls and Eli's got two Super Bowls. I could be wrong about that.

I know Eli's got like two MVPs and like definitely two Super Bowls anyway. And then there's that – and then their dad, NFL star or at least NFL QB. And then there's that. And then their dad, NFL star, or at least NFL QB. And then there's the third brother, Cooper, the TV. And then you look at like the, the Williams sisters,

right? With their dad. You don't think he was overbearing. You don't think he yelled. You don't think Tiger Woods dad ever yelled at him. Like I did a lot probably. And that's why they're so good. They all did a lot.

And they're fucking champions. So a lot of, we did a lot probably and that's why they're so good they all did a lot and they're fucking champions so a lot of we talked a lot um in uh in the discord about uh whether tom brady was the greatest athlete of all time and maybe someone used the word athlete and somebody else is like a not a grammar nazi but like if they see a flaw in your argument they're like oh he is not the greatest athlete here or a thousand other and it's like he's being pedantic yeah someone was being pedantic and and it's like all right look i get it not the greatest athlete of all time but perhaps the most successful person in athletics of our generation and they're like well michael phelps

did this athletes explain that for me for two seconds oh well i mean michael phelps is an infinitely better physical specimen and better at athletics in general like like than tom brady what like the comparison of like their muscle mass or something based on the olympic decathlete winner is often considered the best athlete this This guy runs, this guy throws, this guy does heavy shit. And you know, so sure. Yeah.

Someone who, who, who, who does all the things that we consider to be athletic, not necessarily the best at their position ever, but Oh my God, he benches 550 pounds. He runs the 40, you know,

faster than everyone. He's got a vertical leap of three fucking feet oh and by the way he okay so like the best physical specimen kind of yeah he would be like the best pure athlete you would have to like if we're gonna get like drilled down i guess he'd be the best or one of the best members of a team athlete a team member athlete like like he and gretzky are similar and i mean obviously tom brady's a more impressive physical specimen than gretzky gretzky was an even further example of this like gretzky never had the hardest shot never the fastest but he like brady knew what his opponents were going to do in anticipation of what they thought he was about to do before they knew what

they what was happening and so he could know the exact flow of the play the exact way that tom brady in like the point oh oh one seconds knows i i can see the future for a second i know what's going to happen i should throw it there even if that wouldn't be apparent to the average qb like they're both just they have a like they call it hockey iq and hockey so i'm sure it's all like you and football like they have a game is an mma fighter and he was talking about um what steroids can do for you and he's like it's not just uh you know how strong you are or even how fast you are there's like a cognitive improvement that they can do he's like and that's what it is that's what being an athlete is Like if you can process this stuff or the difference between top athletes

isn't usually bicep curls or, or, you know, something there's something like, like the Gretzky or Brady seems to have in processing what's going down. And that matters a lot in a sport like fighting. There's an X factor there. I think a lot of it's work ethic from what I,

what I've heard and what I've read is they talk about him being, uh, you know, in the practice room or whatever at like 5.00 AM, like running over schemes and, and just really studying the game and, and like smartening up everyone around him. And, and, and because he's got all those rings already, especially like in this current scenario with Tampa Bay, they, if he he says look we got to be here it's you got to be here at 6 a.m we got to hit these x's and o's like like we we're gonna win the game on this fucking marker board long before we step out there and put pads on i think when he says it rather than some old white guy who like maybe has never won a championship at any level never coached to a championship even

like you as like a young 24 year old multi-millionaire athlete you might be like yeah okay i'm gonna hit my bonuses this year i'm gonna i'm gonna rush for i'm gonna rush for a thousand yards like like always that's what i'm concerned with like i'm gonna get mine people are without a mountain of success but when tom brady says it's like yeah all right i'll be there at seven boss yeah like you're gonna lead me to a ring like you did everyone else you've ever played with do you know who pat mcafee is no he was a kicker for the indianapolis colts and he has a podcast now he's very successful uh post football anyway he was talking about the leaders on the team and he's like you know peyton Manning led the team and it was amazing because he was very successful and he had great

leadership qualities. It's like, but sometimes you get one or the other. Sometimes you get a guy who's very good at his position, but can't lead for shit. And there were times I think post Manning where the leaders of the team were on the twilight side of their career and their words just didn't have the same gravitas. You know, there's some linebacker who's everything they're saying is right and smart, but you're 13 years into your career, you're washed and no one gives a fuck what you say. So Brady's got both.

Who do you think? Like, like at some level he shouldn't, right? Like he's, I mean, he keeps performing, which is crazy, but he is at some level on the

twilight of his career age-wise. He's got to be age-wise. How much longer can he possibly play in the NFL? I don't know. It's weird. First of all, he looks tremendous. He's amazing. Where I see him

slowing down is literally in his foot speed like like he's never been a very mobile quarterback right but but he's he's just it looks like he's gonna have to stay in that pocket and and like every year he's definitely losing a literal step but like like like we talked about on pkn this week he broke records in this last super bowl well some of these records he was holding some of them because he's so fucking old playing this right I'm not talking about all time records

I'm talking about records like consecutive completed passes like records that you gotta do tonight and he's beating himself I And he's beating himself. I do that. It's like Wayne Gretzky.

You guys see that? The fastest player to get 1,000 points was Wayne Gretzky from zero to 1,000 points. The second fastest player was Wayne Gretzky from 1,001 to 2,000. Wow. By a tremendous amount. That's interesting.

No one can touch his records. It's absurd. The game will have to change. What was his record? Very, very briefly, I want to bring this up here because this is a good spot for like... Sorry, go ahead, buddy. I was saying they'll have to change the game for Gretzky's record. When they put two goals out there

and the goalie has to guard them both. Even then, that's it. Scoring will be revolutionary. Just shoot the one where there's no goalie, Taylor. They'll have to change the puck or something. You should have gone for the three-point goal. What was the controversy currently? Someone was throwing the trophy across a boat or something?

I saw it. They were heaving it back and forth. I didn't see this. I don't know anything about it, but it sounds insane. We're talking the world's best super back. Oh, my God. Super back. Wow. It's a super back gorilla. fucking um oh my god super back wow wow it's a super back gorilla anyways you know what i mean like the world's best fucking thrower of a football ever

with one of the catchers who he won this with repeatedly and they're worried about him tossing a trophy across water that seems insane to me he was super drunk no i thought it was really funny and like the boat so those who don't know the Buccaneers had their like celebration party in Tampa Bay, in the bay, in their boats. Tom Brady rolls up in like a $3 million like James Bond yacht. It's like dark gray. And he's got his boys all on it. And there's a few lesser boats all around them. The whole team, everybody's on a boat, right?

And they're heaving the trophy high school trophy from one boat to the other and don't think three feet like they're throwing this thing like 20 feet or something like that like they're like they're having to heave it like you know and these are professional athletes it's the lamar trophy i think it's a little it looks heavy it looks like it's not made out of aluminum or something like it looks like it's heavy and they're heaving it back and forth and i was just like that's awesome because a right i don't think they're gonna drop it and b i bet if they did one of these super athletes could dive to the bottom of the bay and bring it back up fucking tom brady you know how much disposable

money he has if he really feels like he has has to get that out of there, I think we can manage it. Is it really disrespectful that the man who celebrated for throwing a ball to another person is throwing a trophy to another person? It depends. I don't know the Lombardi trophy history. If it were the Stanley Cup, and I think Taylor would

agree, that's not okay. This thing isn't just you. Come on, they drink beer out of that fucking here's the thing the stanley cup has all the players names on it and it goes back like 60 years like you're not just fucking with your trophy you're fucking with the hockey's trophy they it does get damaged often it does which is fun and awesome but doesn't get lost yeah it never there was a time where they lost it like one team all right hey i'm sorry my parents are down okay i don't know about tampa my parents are in st petersburg which is across the fucking bay from tampa it's about two foot deep i got a

friend down there bay my dad's got fucking two sailboats that i go out there with you can't get you can't find like you have to work to find 20 foot of fucking water out there if you really want to work at that you to get into the channel. That's how the St. Peter's is. You know what the downside of dropping the trophy is? You get wet. You've got to step into the water and pull it out. Yeah.

I don't know. This is a large yacht. Maybe that's separate, but fuck. That's how it was where I had my boat in Jacksonville, I guess it is. What is that? Is that the St. Peter's River or something like that that goes through there it's something like that

all I know is like my boat had this like I don't know what you call it when the boat like goes a long way into the water I don't know the boat term for it like the bottom of the boat is sinking I don't know the keel he just described the the position of the

hull relative to the water and you said the keel i don't know i don't know the the the phraseology but so it's a racing yacht you don't think it's um well he i don't know that you did wrong i have no idea it's irrelevant i think he was asking what the very lowest part of a sailboat is right i'm talking about the very lowest part the part that goes the deepest in the water. Oh, in which case I'm actually entirely wrong. My apologies, Woody. I thought you said something different. You said it like that was the keel.

The keel is right there. I thought he said something entirely different. Anyways, all right. I was just speaking to the point of really shallow water there because the bottom of this boat is a racing yacht, of really shallow water there. Because the bottom of this... This boat is a racing yacht, so it's meant to be laid over really far to the side.

And to keep from flipping over and capsizing. It has this tail that goes down from the bottom of the hull. It's not shaped like this, like a smooth... Like a rowboat or something. It's really long that protrudes down.

Like a dick that's hanging out of the boat like a dick that's hanging down and it was super hard to like park that boat in the in the dock because it would start you could feel it start digging into the mud down there and it's like oh god

oh god we're touching the bottom right now with this boat did you keep it in the water all the time? I kept it in the water all the time yeah I kept it in a slip they make a new Lombardi trophy every year so it's really not a big deal

like who cares let them do what they want if he lost it it'd be easier to just have him make a new one than send somebody to get it or he could just be like, hey, it's my responsibility. Or just bring back one of his others. I'll go get it. Everyone, a million dollars to whoever gets

this trophy. Sure. Everybody just mass casualties. Gronk, what are you doing? You can't swim. Did he have a good year, Gronk? Does anyone know? Does anyone follow football well enough i know i know he broke another record with brady with like receptions and super bowls like they

have the record now um touchdown receptions and super bowls what the most endearing thing about their whole celebration was their coach i want to say their coach is the oldest coach in the NFL. Late 60s, early 70s or something like that. And his speech, while holding a Bud Light, was so endearing. I was watching it, but I couldn't hear it. I was seeing the text. And it was something like,

everybody said we couldn't fucking do it, but here we are. We beat every fucking team they put across from us god damn it you put them across the field from us what did we do what did we do and he and like somebody so they're pouring coolers of water on him and he's not even he's all soggy and he you know he's old and he's drinking his bud light and it was just this drunken rant about being a fucking champion and a winner it was great it was really endearing they didn't start my mother makes a joke uh two and two maybe uh they weren't i don't think

they started super hot i remember listening i listened to a decent amount of sports radio and i remember um this has probably been the beginning of the year like like the guys that i listened to being really down on them and kind of feeling bad for Brady. My brother, so I grew up in the Northeast. I grew up in Maine and my brother is a huge football fan, a huge Tom Brady fan, right? He's been a Patriots fan forever. And the joke in my family currently, because my parents retired to St. Petersburg, Florida, is that my mother convinced Tom Brady to to tampa to lure my brother into moving to that area that's the current joke in my family did it work so like did it work not yet but uh that he was he was quite invested in that super bowl and that that turned out extremely well from that

financially or emotionally well he is gambling on this shit so i guess it's both a little bit quite honestly but like uh i mean on some level like he's so fucking you know like if you're an expert on something you ought to be paid for that shit and he's a fucking expert on football that boy that boy spends a lot of time thinking about that and gambling on that and working with that and it's i don't know like it's kind of incredible it's kind of a big brady moment to go to another team after this you know what is it 20 years in the patriots to come down there and to take a Super Bowl out of that. It's fucking wild. That man is so fucking good at that game.

It's incredible. It is. I remember, and I don't even follow football really, but I follow sports as a whole enough to remember all the comments when he left being like, all right, well, I think that what we're going to see here is it's going to reveal that Brady's been benefiting from the Belichick system for the past decade.

And it's going to reveal him that, you know that when he's no longer protected in the pocket, he's going to get blah, blah, blah. It's almost like he heard that, and he was... It was like that moment where Obama was like, I'm like, you know, Trump actually will be a president. And it was like, nope, I'll be a president someday. The same day, Tom Brady

was like, yeah, you know what, ESPN? Fuck all of you i'm gonna win with the tampa bay buccaneers i'm gonna take my super bowl no don't put me on tampa didn't tampa bay greet beat green bay in green bay that's hard to do right it must be i know green bay are known for being like the most fanatic like am i right about that yeah this year's a little different with the fans though, right? It doesn't sound like any of us are particularly strong football fans. It's kind of cold, it's no fun.

Yeah, I don't know what the weather was like. This is the first time I can ever remember a team having home advantage in a Super Bowl. I think it's the first time ever, right? Yeah, it's never happened. That's interesting. Yeah, like I remember, what year was it in Atlanta?

One year, the Superbowl was going to be in Atlanta and I remember being like, Oh my God, they can do it. We can have home field event. I'm like, I'm like, do I need to buy tickets now?

Can we buy tickets now in case they get it? Or cause, cause like if we wait and it's the Falcons, they're going to be impossible to get. Like, like how does this work? How do you, it,

it's been years and years ago. going to be impossible to get. How does this work? It's been years and years ago. I don't even remember the teams involved. It may have been during the Mike Vick years where it was like, we can do it. We can do it. This could be the year. Vick was so fun to watch.

I take special pride that my Tom Brady versus some guy who will probably be nervous in the big lights football analysis was on the money oh was it the Rams won in 2000 looks like that's the last time Atlanta if it was then I remember us losing to the Rams

no no this is the last time it was in Atlanta I just remember but see that makes sense to me because I believe I remember Vic being in a playoff game and losing to the Rams time it was in Atlanta. Oh, okay. I just remember – but see, that makes sense to me because I believe I remember Vic being in a playoff game and losing to the Rams and it being like a real heartbreaker. But it's been – They beat the Titans that year.

It probably would have been 2002, 2003. Yeah, this is 2000. Okay, yeah, forever ago. Yeah. Vic was so fun to watch. He was in Brady's career. Madden 2004, it was like oh my god just play vic just run the ball no there were rules you couldn't play with michael vick yeah i didn't play by those

rules i had my like you plug a phone cord into the back of a playstation 2 to play online and uh and i was always michael vick and i always ran the ball and And everyone did. Because his stats would let you just outrun people. Because his real-world stats would just let him outrun people. But in the game, all you had to do was, oh, and what are they doing? He's going to run a sweep again, and he's gone. Let me see what the fastest 40-time ever and Michael Vick's 40-time was. Because I want to say he's like a couple tenths of a second off i'm not i'm not i'm not convinced we're gonna see football survive as a sport really it's

undeniably the most popular fucking sport in america but i think on some level you're ethically opposed to it can we play this game without brain damage who cares it doesn't seem on some level who cares but on another level can we and are we gonna allow this i'm with let's transition to mma okay michael vick's 40 time right michael vick's 40 time is 4.33 seconds absurd the fastest ever is 4.24 who Who did that? Chris Johnson, running back, 2008. I'm looking for anybody who, like, I'm not a football fan, so I don't recognize any of the other names. A 4.27 got ran this year by Henry Ruggs III, who's a wide receiver.

That's about the time it takes me to recognize my wife in the morning. Exactly. 4.27 seconds. I like now in a lot of sports, they now in a lot of sports they're like they're able to tell you how many miles per hour a player's running that's a really cool stat like like when guys are like what are we here give me give me a ballpark what are people running like 21 22 miles per hour how fast can you run kyle who fucking knows like like uh-uh probably like i could run probably eight uh i could definitely hit no i don't see why i can't hit 15 in a sprint i 15 10 years ago i

would have gotten 14 i was on a treadmill that went 15 and i could do it briefly so i yeah that's fast i don't know what i could could you do that i'll check i don't want to treadmill as hard as they could i'll fucking see how fast it goes. I saw this girl do this the other day on Reddit. She had an adult accompanying her. He has the treadmill on max speed. I think it was 17

miles per hour. She does this thing where she puts her hands on the side and she does a kick winding up the gears. She's kicking the pad to like get her leg up like i don't know get to like get the timing and then she's clip clip and then she jumps on and she's clip clip clip clip clip clip and she's taking huge strides and she's fucking beaming 17 miles per hour and the guy is has his hands on in front of her stomach and behind her lower back so he can catch her you know if she loses it but she's holding it

not for two seconds or three seconds for like the length of a gift she's just it was so fucking cool that's fast as shit i don't think anyone could deny that kyle has the most engagement with the internet it sounds incredible but it doesn't sound like something i would actually have found on my own so that's you know hearing that a lot let me see if i can find her i like what you're saying like these new stats where they say how fast people are going i think they're gonna add it in base maybe they have it in baseball i know the nhl this year they put chips in the middle of the puck so now like if someone takes a slap shot, they'll say,

oh, that went 102 miles an hour. Or they'll be like, oh, that person's skating. They're going 27 miles an hour right now. I like it when they take a regular guy and superimpose him against the other guys running the 40. There's a guy who's about as athletic as Kevin from The Office. And he's running the 40. 40 yeah that's where i was going this what do you they shouldn't they shouldn't they should i mean they're doing it toward the

average guy or maybe even like the high end of a non-athletic guy they need to do it on the low end yeah like this is some guy we paid 100 bucks to run as fast as he could right now this is him compared to brady He thought he was here to prepare taxes and then we surprised him with a 40-yard dash. Do you guys remember that? This is like 30 seconds. I know we can't show it, but you can watch it on your own. This commercial, this Powerade commercial, talking about the running makes me think of this.

This is one of the funniest. This is such a good commercial. Oh, yeah, I've seen it. It's got everybody running and then it shows the cameraman just keeping up. With a huge broadcast camera. The runner is like, what the fuck? It's like this bald Kenyan guy who's looking at this everyday white man wearing khaki shorts,

carrying a broadcast camera outrunning him that would be fun i wonder if is that even possible right right now obviously everyday white man can't outrun the king but assuming the canyon has already run 23 miles oh yeah that's absolutely possible for sure and that's like the bear grills right like now we're talking about like fucking bear grills like the whole like season right which is the cameraman does everything bear grills does ah but he does it after right yeah he's like the antithesis of survivor man yeah well i mean i went i did i did something like uh i went to the grand canyon a couple years ago with my wife and we were like floating down a river and they're talking about it.

And the guide was like, so down in Bear Grylls. He's like, yeah, there used to be a rope there. And Bear Grylls came down here and filmed something. He's like, get that fucking rope out of my,

out of my picture as we're doing this. And I was like, oh, okay. So the scam continues down here. But because apparently, because I was like showing like an easy, like access route to the way that he was like,

I don't know, who knows, free soloing down the rock face or something. yeah it's like it's one one guy at a public park where they're like can you tell us more about the history of yellowstone and another thing about it was like that he pretended to drink geyser water it was dasani i saw i had to pick up the bottle fucking bitch leaves his his trash. Elephant took a shit? No, I drank that. Could you tell us about Old Faithful, sir? I'll tell you who you can't have any faith in. Bear Grylls! Scam artist! The only thing deeper than the Grand Canyon is Bear Grylls' duplicity and willingness to mislead the public about basic survival skills.

Can you please just put us back on the donkeys. It's night and we're scared. I'm with the guy. I'm upset with Bear Grylls. Always like he's obviously making a TV show but he'd make the worst decisions. An appropriate thing to do here would be a little cliff jumping.

There was one survival show where it was To be fair, than the survivor man It was like called two guys in the woods or something One was like a hippie guy and one was like an ex The hippie guy never wore shoes Yeah the hippie guy never wore shoes his feet were like Hobbit feet so hard and there was one thing

Like that where the Marine guy or something got cut And they're like now usually what we would do Like the very soft spoken but jacked hippies Like now usually what we would do would be just take our modern supplies and patch this up but we're going to show you how you can seal a wound like this using nothing but gunpowder and fire and like like put something flammable in there and just did like a and the guy's like and he's like now it is sealed and i would not recommend that to anyone but i don't know but woody looked like he remembered it that was a good survival show i remember watching bear girl and the other one was like bear girl stuff and the other one was

like survivor man less the one guy was like he's like look you have to spend as little energy as you can and he set up a camp he set up a tent he'd get out his guitar and he would sit on his fucking ass playing his guitar until someone rescued him he'd be like this is the way you rescue i'm like yeah that's how i'd be rescued and bear girl would be like all right i'm gonna climb this unclimbable cliff with no fucking climbing shoes or any sort of way to protect myself. Then I'm going to fight a bear on the other side. And then I'm going to drink this fucking elephant dung. Then I'm going to walk to safety.

And I'm like, wow. I don't know. Both of those are not appealing to me. Yeah, you don't want that. But I know exactly what you're saying with Les Stroud. Where he would even say, like, in a pinch, see this? These mushrooms right here? You can actually eat these.

Now, I just got here two days ago. So there is no way in hell i'm eating these right now because it'll make me sick but i can think about these later and it's like oh this guy's doing it for real i like the ones where he would set up his camera and he'd be like finally leaving the tundra of alaska see you next time viewers and he like walks away and then like the next clip is him walking back to the camera like i have to pick up my own fucking camera like dude that added so much credibility to the show does that add credibility like yes this whole thing is like god damn let's hope society will protect me from myself here i've been camping and i'm really stupid and i got lost and i just have to wait till someone does it for me no like a part of me is like fuck that is true credibility insofar as meaning like he's out there alone is is bolstered

because the fact that you see him walk 300 yards away and then come back and get his camera is like yeah i watched the grills would have walked all the way over there and they would have been like steve bring it all with you and get my uh perrier. I'd love a Perrier. Yeah. That kind of lime. Bear Grylls stayed in hotels at night. Yeah, but Bear Grylls broke his back as part of like a special ops fucking team jumping out of a helicopter. So part of me goes, there's probably some validity in what he has to say. He climbed Mount Everest and he was in the SAS. I haven't seen any photos of him on top of Everest.

You know what Bear Grylls did? I know that you might not. I think he flew a paramotor over Mount Everest. I don't believe that. The man has no credibility. I think he did. I don't believe that a paramotor is capable of flying. Okay, you'd know better than me. Can a paramotor fly

four miles high? No, not safe. A balloon is a very versatile inflation device. Is there enough lift to fly over four miles high. No, not safe. A balloon is a very versatile fucking inflation device. Is there enough lift to fly over four miles altitude? Yeah, he did. Is it four miles? It's 20,000 feet. 29,000 feet, according to this.

29,280. It's 30. Yeah, here, I'll read the first line here. British explorer and mountaineer Edward Beargrylls has set a new altitude record by piloting a powered paraglider above Mount Everest, reaching 29,494 feet. What the fuck? And this is the thing that I have. He had oxygen and his engine had oxygen.

And this is the problem I have with Bear Grylls' criticism, is that he might be faking some of this shit, but the man is still a badass. It's undeniable. Yeah, he's an undeniable badass. But what his show is just kind of nonsensical. It's like fluff. It's spice for the... It's still probably higher in my rating than Deep Space Nine. But it's still...

I agree. It's not a true... He's trolling you, Kyle. ...depictment of the fact look he may not be a space jew but he's still questionable that's all i'm saying i'm on board with that i'm so hungry but i know i shouldn't eat anything after this are you out of calories or just uh trying to get the biggest deficit you can get i've got a few calories to play with how many i've got like

300 to mess around with are you counting doing this yeah yeah i'm trying to just just not be fat anymore just i'm tired of it i've got and watching woody getting fit and it's pissed you off a little bit you know what yeah it makes me fucking furious to be killer would you continue your diet if you could sabotage woodies i'm getting married this year at some point and so i'm trying to get and what you're trying to get into her wedding dress or what she's trying to get first i gotta get about a foot shorter yeah i'm just i want to i want to look real good taller and thinner i want to be able to i want to look great for my wedding and then i'm gonna go i'm gonna be i'm gonna look unrecognizable like three months after that so you are going to enjoy your wedding this man you're

gonna be like i can confirm that well i've made sure that like i'm not a big sweets person so like when she's like what about the cake what about this what about that you would rather have cookies i'm like yeah whatever anything's fine but i want an enormous amount of charcuterie boards like you go to do that thing where like you both like mash cake in to each other's mouths but you're just like mashing it into your own mouth and everyone just just like what's he's still going he's i thought it was cute at first but she's fed him half a log of tree i'm fucking i'm fucking dying fitness wise for covid like i'm just like all the things i do

to survive covid are not available to me right now and it's like this winter drag cycling and indoor rock climbing are your things. What's that cycling thing that you've been watching Greg Doucette do? What's that called? Zwift. It's like Zwift, but starts with a Z. You're probably familiar with it. So I have an indoor trainer for the winters where I bring my bike in, pull the back tire off, plug it into this, and I can basically turn it on.

My bike got stolen biking to that office that we were talking about last time last yeah at the end of last year and kovat has fucked up the supply chain right now so you have any idea that i can't buy the bike that i want to buy right now i can't get it do you remember do you remember that episode of the sopranos when uh when meadow's like yeah some but i i need a blah blah for the bus and he's like what happened to your bike and and uh Carmela's like, some black guy in the neighborhood stole it. And Tony's like, oh, really? That's weird, isn't it? You wouldn't think something like that would happen.

And Beto's just like, what? What? He's like, well, you got to admit, it's kind of ironic, huh? Because she's got that black boyfriend, and admit, it's kind of ironic, huh? Because she's got that black boyfriend and he's been trying to tell her, stay with your own people. You gotta be with fucking Jamal Ginsburg all the time. I hadn't thought of the racial aspect of it. Filthy. Are you familiar with Zwift?

I'm not. I've never heard of it. Is this where the fucking... What is Zwift? Where you're racing against people. It turns an indoor trainer into a video game. So you enter in your stats, how much you weigh, all up. I think your bike is included.

And then it calculates your power output. And drafting, just like in real cycling, is a major component of it. And then there are some video game elements too. You can earn power-ups. I'm not sure exactly how. I think I've watched something about this. You might choose... We're so many fucking Olympians doing this.

If you're smart, you might choose lightweight on an uphill section, right? But you might also save it and not get the next one. So there's a big strategy component to it, much like cycling. I think you would love it. And there's a big strategy component to it, much like cycling. I think you would love it. And there's different talent levels. Yeah, I just need my bike back, Woody.

That is a drawback. Because that is currently the challenge to the trainer. It was an expensive bike, wasn't it? My bike was fucking stolen. Are we talking about a $1,200 bike? Yeah. $1,200? Yeah.

Okay. In the realm of bikes, that's not super hot i know it's not that fucking expensive it was in broad daylight in in a location that has camera it was literally a closed fucking corridor with cameras on either end and it was stolen from the 1200 i would argue is towards the low end of real bike you know but, less than 1,200 and you're in the, like, not even free. Exactly, but it was in graduate school. I wanted a real fucking bike. It was a lot of money for me at the time. And the high end is, like, $15,000. Like, you know, Greg Doucette wants a $15,000 bike.

It's two pounds lighter than his current one. And he's like, that's why I'm working. That's why I know it's two pounds. I could lose two pounds but i want a fifteen thousand dollar bike i could lose two pounds and get the fifteen thousand bicycle that's four pounds it's easy math people oh you guys are bad at math but me he's a greg just said it's hilarious um i hate the boys i wish he'd quit doing i wish he'd just because you go back to those videos from four years ago

and he's just like alright everyone I'm here to talk to you about TRT and and it's just like yeah okay I believe you now

but when he screams at you about his cookbook you're just like Jesus Christ so here's I like the voice when I watch the videos from four years ago

I'm like oh I can see why Chill Greg is not as can see why Chill Greg is not as viral as not Chill Greg. I get it. What I... I feel like sometimes his videos

are expressly for the purpose of helping Greg and not the viewer. And, you know, I'll click on, like, here's a reaction to someone reacting to my cookbook. And it's's like this one's a little transparent Greg oh yeah there's a big incestuous thing in the in that community with people like will Tennyson and stuff with like hey hey maybe we'll do a collab you know I'll promote it that I'm coming on your channel to do like a eating challenge

and then you'll make a video and you'll because we're eating of course from my cookbook and and and we'll just cross promote this thing and i'll sell more cookbooks and you'll get a few subs and like they try to keep that going as much as possible right but as a viewer i'm like you didn't have me in mind at all this is like i am the patsy in this scenario i i'm the like you're playing me as a fool with a bunch of videos that I like. What you're doing is very transparent. This isn't about teaching me anything. This isn't about connecting with me.

All right. So every social media guy, all of your interactions should do one of three things. It should connect. It should entertain or it should educate. If you're not doing one of those three things, then you're probably putting out some bad, you know, piece of content. Do you ever watch Will Tennyson? I'm not sure. Connect, entertain, or educate. When he does these like react to someone

cooking from my cookbook, he does none of those things. He's just, it's for him. It's not for us. Will Tennyson does, he's a young, good looking guy and super in shape. And he does tons of videos about, um, like it'll be like, I, I, I ate no sugar for a week and this is what happened. Or I went on, um, Atkins diet for a week. And this is what happens. I went on the carnivore diet for a

month. This is what happens. And he'll also do like 20,000 calorie cheat meal day. And he'll go like, he'll go and get like a dozen Krispy Kreme doughnuts and he says he's got like the variety like all the best like there's like an apple fritter and my mouth's watering there's a couple of those like Homer Simpson like pink frosted doughnuts and like all of your favorites like crawlers and fucking ding-dongs and shit and he'll just eat them all he'll do 20,000 and fucking ding dongs and shit and he'll just eat them all he'll do 20 000 calories that day like eating entire pizzas and stuff and uh it's it's

pretty cool i don't know i enjoy it we're having some we're having some work done and uh the the carpenter nice guy brought a dozen donuts and it's like oh you fuck you fuck how dare you what am i just i didn't have any jackie did everyone did but me then we gave him away but it was like you bring that evil into my house this isn't easy i've been in the court it's twice as much work for you you're already saying no to this and you said no by not fucking ordering a dozen donuts and now you gotta look at the dozen donuts and go no it's killer that's so much fucking harder the same thing happened to me woody like very recently this was this week that uh a family friend of ours gave us a bunch of cookies that they homemade very delicious

cookies and like i just put them on my counter in my kitchen and i was like maybe you'll have one later a little treat by the end of that night i had devoured probably five or six oh my immediately had to be like like that night i was like yeah throw the rest out i was about to like grab the bag and one more and toss it but before it goes just just one more and i was like no and i grabbed it and i went out and i threw it directly in like my big trash can. So I put it in my kitchen trash can. Maybe I lay it in a way that it can go back in. Let me ask you this, though. Let me ask you this, though.

So you don't go George Costanza. Were they in a container? They were in a Ziploc bag. Okay. Did you drop the Ziploc bag in or did you go full committal mode and dump them naked into the garbage? I opened the Ziploc bag and then them naked into the garbage? I did. I opened the Ziploc bag and then threw the Ziploc bag in open.

I didn't want all it dumped out in there. But like at that point, it's because I'm going to tell you, I could totally see like doing that, like throwing a Ziploc bag full of cookies out into the dumpster outside. And then like three or four a.m. You wake up to take a piss and you're hungry. Right. You're like actually like-rumbling hungry. And that's the weakest point ever.

It's like, oh, man. You're sleepy. Your guard is down. I guarantee you. High levels of integration would do it for me. I would have just left that open, sitting there on top of my trash can in my kitchen, not touching any garbage, and I woke up hungry at like three in the morning. There is a non-zero, we'll be honest,

there's a hundred percent chance I would have eaten a cookie or two. Out of the garbage. Out of the garbage. You ate out of a sealed bag. That's what separates man from bum. Cooling itself in the garbage. You were a bum.

Yeah. Or a raccoon. I held strong. This pisses me off because this is so self-evident to everyone having this conversation right now except my wife my wife who apparently regulates just by sheer willpower on these things loves to buy things and just she i think her goal is to figure out how much food she can fit into the fucking pantry like i look at that i'm like what are we like surviving on like 10 weeks with no like ability to like access a grocery store do we

really need the ability to to build ourselves like four or five chocolate cakes from just this fucking what he showed me his temptation island in his cupboard the other day um there's a a really like fancy jar like a big jar like like it's probably a gallon me to get it i kind of want to show everyone sure please do i won't spoil what it says yeah this is this is toxic to me i'm like i regulate by not buying this shit that's how i do it i don't want to eat a bag of cookies so i don't buy a bag of cookies if i had the bag of cookies i'll eat the fucking bag of cookies i'm like what's your favorite cookie all right you're buying store-bought cookies for me let me go first because if there's two options classic oreo maybe double stuff either one is fine for me i like classic

oreos are just as good as double stuff to me i dip them in milk i get i put them in milk sometimes i'll take a fork and do this thing where you stab the fork into the cream, and now you've got it, and you can completely dunk it. I've never tried that, but I know how interesting. It's perfect. Or the Chips Ahoy Chunky. No, no, never chewy. That's white trash.

I'm sorry. That's some second grade, have your little cup of juice and your chewy fucking cookie. I feel bad for you, Taylor fucking cookie no i'm a grown man all right i want look at this this is woody's like temptation island right here the fact that he has so much of it is so discouraging what is that big one it's like it's almost as big as you that's important that's what he showed me i haven't had a single peanut or cashew since october these are the refill supplies i love these i love these this one's the the monster and i'm trying to show the right cameras here and this one is the the caramel cashew which is even better so what are the

ingredients if you don't mind would you read off like the entire ingredients because i know the m&ms cashews almonds but I think I might see raisins. I'm doing my best here. If you look at the ingredients, it's not something that would help you like phosphate carrageenan or whatever. Oh, I thought it might have like the content. I'm looking at cashews, M&M's, some sort of milk

dud type thing, peanuts, and caramel. And then it's a high candy ratio oh dude this is how I get fat looks good and then we take it and we put it in this baby Woody's Tasty Nuts

is that her handwriting? because as a handwriting snob dude my wife does this with all kinds so I have a thing about handwriting. Like it is like a token that someone I love has been here. You know, when I have like a key chain that it says boat keys on it or something, I'll be like, Hope, would you write boat keys on this?

And every time I see it, it's like Hope was here. Like, yeah, she did this for me. It's in the center console of my car. Do you do the same thing with her boyfriends? No. Don't talk about host boyfriends. So anyway, Jackie puts in the pantry. She'll label things like this or the sugar or whatever.

And our pantry is filled with jars of that style. And I like it. It's like Jackie. This is Jackie's impact on this. If she and the kids died in a horrific car accident, I would go through great lengths to preserve all these jars. It's beautiful. The size of that jar is

just... Enormous. It's preposterous. I like it, though. It looks really nice in his hand. Five if you count Hope's boyfriend. If you barely keep the fucking you that could fool you because you could eat three handfuls and be like the level's the same yes i didn't eat

any amount of nuts you could scoop a bowl and take it to bed hypothetically it'd be about the same tomorrow i haven't i haven't had a peanut since october like i'm filthy was saying he you regulate by not buying it like when when I, when I have cheese, it's like, if I like close it back up at the end of the night and I put it in my cupboard, I'm like, look at, look at Mr.

Self-control. There's going to be some in there tomorrow. Cause usually like if I get one of those containers of goldfish, it's just, it's over. It's like, that's a single serving. Especially like that with beef jerky.

It doesn't matter what the size of the bag is. It's like wife will bring me back a little bag i'm like i'll eat that she brings back a larger bag i'll eat that whole fucking bag and it's like uh yeah it's hard to eat too much beef jerky though like to me beef jerky is like you're first of all you're gonna burn some calories just chewing it up as long as you've got like the real stuff like and it's all protein they really you know the downside is all the sodium that you're that you're intaking and if you don't have any sort of high blood pressure issues then who fucking cares eat 10 000 milligrams of sodium a day whatever but i can eat i it doesn't matter if you eat enough healthy food you're still in the same problem

if you're not doing enough it's harder right now i can't get out and do shit right yeah all right so we mentioned the crispy cream donuts before um how many calories just guess uh how many calories do you think are in a crispy cream glazed donut the one 180 it's a single 400 280 from woody single one i'm gonna say 175 filthy i did 400 i'm sorry i didn't quite hear um is my hundred no no you're fine it was just two people were speaking at once it didn't even come i just yeah i just wanted to confirm 190 190 not nearly as many as we all think we all i don't know about you but i think of a crispy cream donut as like the ultimate like oh yeah you ate one of those well just give up it's all over bro but like it's the same amount of calories as like a tiny container of greek yogurt i mean obviously you're not getting protein and healthy

fats you're getting you get to eat carbs and you're pretty happy but like if you were gonna like go for like a run and you wanted like some sort of like simple carbs before you went and did a run you could have yourself a glazed donut no problem it's 190 calories that's 25 minutes of running a snack i eat a ton of especially well for a long time are like cheese sticks like pepper or gouda or or the mozzarella like string cheese any of those like they're like 80 90 calories a pop and it is easy to overeat those because it's so good i can eat nothing but cheese a cup of this which is a good amount of food but not uh a snack amount that i've never had before a cup

is 800 calories well but yeah a cup of that yeah that's but you can't have that in the fucking house because you look at that you know it's not you want to hear you want to hear something funny about that for crispy creams worth of donuts a cup of sugar is less calories than a cup of that i didn't think that that's that's the case a cup of sugar is about 760 calories you should just snack on a nice cup of sugar i'm'm just saying, for comparison's sake, next time you look at that, think, this is literally more caloric than

pure sugar. That's why it's better. It is way better than pure sugar because you get the mix of the savory and the sweet. That's why it's so good. I haven't... Hunger is not... what I've done with with my diet a lot of it is just food substitutes you know some stuff I gave

up like I don't put butter on my food anymore turns out butter is a lot of calories and for me a little benefit so it just the cost-benefit wasn't there but other stuff is just like you know I't know, swap out sugar with stevia in your coffee and, you know, make sure the things you eat are worth it. And I try to get my protein. I'm lifting weights a lot and I don't want that to be wasted. So I have protein macros I try to hit. But yeah, anyway. How much protein do you try to eat per?

Do you try to hit 200? 200 is exactly my target. I would say I don't often. I probably average like 185, i think i think that's sufficient i i i've read a bunch of studies about that and like you know the conflicting reports and i think 0.8 is fine 0.8 grams per per pound is fine since i'm cutting i'm also aiming you know i'm usually hanging out around 180 at the end of the day yeah i try to keep it under five glasses of bourbon a night alcohol is a tough one too like like out of indulgences like bourbon's a good one because that's a lower calorie one vodka tequila i do a low carb thing

these days that's why i drink fucking straight bourbon most of the time or wine it's still a lot it's still like i mean how much an ounce probably 95 calories an ounce it's like 100 calories for a shot worth of hard liquor because it's like it's dense yeah i mean if you think about it it's but what is unconsciousness worth really there you go i'm just saying i pay the price if i have to let me ask you this would you have a difficult time sleeping? How often do you sleep at night? Do you turn in for the night without having a couple drinks?

More often than I'd like. Yeah, right? Did you say that backwards? No, I think you nailed it. More often than you'd like? No, I was responding to Kyle's prompt for a joke right like how often i don't know like i don't have a problem with alcohol i'm fine with alcohol this is the

intervention part of the show we always do it to do this at the end yeah let's try that i'm ready to be intervened on tell me about how i who enjoy alcohol and enjoy the effects of alcohol i enjoy being inebriated i like the I use it literally as a social tool. So sometimes I'm like, hey, I'm on PK today. I'd like to be a little bit more vocal than I might be otherwise. All right, I'll have some alcohol for this. Yeah, that's literally one of the AA definitions for alcoholism. And I am defending you because I think that those Christian crutch crawling people are just doing exactly that look i have to go to

sleep sober every night and i fucking despise it it means it means that i have to wait until far long like i want i'll want to go to sleep at an hour and it's like i can't like like like like i would have to like like i take sleeping pills and it's like, this is going to like take 10% of the edge off. This is not good. But if I, if I were allowed to have four shots of hard liquor, that would take 75% off and I would drift away. If I were allowed to like get high, if I was allowed to smoke weed, it would take 95% of like any sort of like stressors or any it would just inhibitions like like right to sleep comforting like dream free like alcohol is not great for sleep though it's the problem so like better than so doesn't suggest that gets you to sleep fine but you don't get good sleep out of it I

try not to actually do that yeah you're like quality is way worse if you're drunk i'm a fool in this area what if you just like have two drinks alcohol is gone at the very at the beginning of the night no or is it it's gone at the beginning of the night what do you mean that's what i meant to say yeah yeah so if you just drink like if you get pass out drunk let's not pretend it's gonna be we're not talking about right but if i have two glasses of wine at 8 p.m and then turn in at 10 yeah you're good that shouldn't ruin a night's sleep it won't ruin the night's sleep because like your body metabolizes as a man like an hour i would think this is one of the defining characteristics of being an adult is your understanding of how substances interact with your body so you go okay when i was 18 i drank till i passed out or something right when i'm 36 the responsible uh adult that

i am i drink till i feel the inebriation yeah exactly like we would go from there it's great we're good i haven't drank to sickness in so the The only times I've drank to sickness within the last decade are for this show. And it's like... I'll know I should stop. That's your craft. But it's... It's a craft.

It's like... All right. This is the part where I literally poison myself for entertainment value. Let's go. That episode with... dick lavaga bond on dick dick wasn't as bad i i drank i drank a fifth for dick but um qualify that at all you're just good no i'm gonna leave it just like that alone okay lay it out

there flat um um i drank a fifth on that one at least they weren't the guests though right it was the previous one when Sailing Levesque. Oh, yeah, you're right. You're right. You talked about them, but they weren't on the show. I talked about them. See, that's how drunk I was. I don't remember who the guest was.

Was it Dick? It was Dick, yeah. Because you and Dick in the last part of that show were, like, having a drink. He was eating chicken, and we were all wasted. But I remember you guys, like, talking about how much you drank and who won the episode. And, like, you held up one bottle, and, like, he held up an empty one i think and then like you showed you'd like you had started on a second one i had started on a second bottle of hard damage on it and like and like the text the next morning the next day like with all of us were like how is everybody

feeling it's like just just i just want to die like i'm just gonna feel what he was like i fell asleep the coldness of the tile on my bathroom floor glorious i say a lot of things on the show and i promise you like i say them because i want people to laugh and a lot of times it's it's a lot more mean-spirited than i would ever be in my day-to-day life so we were in the we were in the discord event someone was like you know you're really nice compared to like on, on the show. I'm like, yeah, man, that's not me. I'm just being mean like that because Woody's such a nice guy, and Taylor's just making jokes.

I was like, somebody needs to be the asshole. That's just the role that I'm filling. So there's three amigos rather than three clones, right? So, like, but when I got drunk, I said things that I regretted. Like, I said things that I regretted. Like I said things that I forgot. And then I had to be told that I had said, and I truly felt bad. And that was a very, just don't engage with that. You can't, you can't deny it.

I attacked a man who had sustained a spinal injury. It was funny. And wasn't sure if he was going to gain full mobility again. And I think the line I took was that maybe his hot wife would like to be with a man who can walk.

Yeah, that seems reasonable. Now, in my drunk state, that was slap your knee fucking hilarious. But even as i'm saying it now it's embarrassingly mean and mean-spirited and i feel terrible about i really do i get that it's still kind of funny but it's only funny because i stepped in so much shit i went in my drunken state like i think i like went on a whole rant about her nipples maybe. Yeah. Yeah.

Or something like that. But you're right. Like those drinking episodes, like you get to a point of drunk where it's just like, you know, you've lost the plot. Like, you don't know what's fun anymore. You're like, if I'm just loud and mean, we can get through the end of this. I can't. I'm too drunk.

So drunk. As soon as I'm allowed, I think a smoking I'm too drunk. So drunk. As soon as I'm allowed, I think a smoking episode is in order. Unless Woody says no, and then I'll do a drinking episode instead, and I'll get so shithoused that I say mean things again. How does the smoking episode work, Kyle? What?

All the hosts and guests are in locations where smoking is legal, and you just do a smoking episode? Yeah, we could absolutely do that. As soon as soon as i'm free i'm gonna go to colorado on like a very long trip and eventually i'm gonna move there but um but yeah i was thinking like maybe get an airbnb for a week that or maybe you know three or four days like like the day of the show and then like the three of us could maybe go there and hang out for a few days make a vacation of it. It could even get a nice place and maybe bring

our families even. No pressure or anything. I'm just saying I know people don't like being away from their families, me not included. But we could make a whole vacation out of it with three of us and maybe find a guest like Mr. Filthy here perhaps

who would like to get blitzed on a show, and it could be fun. I would need just a little heads up so I could go to a location where it was legal. It'll be October. I'd be up for that. You found a podcasting location, and you gave us a link. I wonder if something like that exists in a legal state too.

Absolutely it does. Yeah, I found a way to rent studio space space and it's just like the joe rogan setup where you've got like a long board table with the mics and camera set up and uh you know editing's all paid for and everything so we'll do we'll be able to do irl stuff i have this fear so it probably what would happen if we didn't have that is the producing would come down to me and it's like woody get it right new location first try and i'm like i don't know i'm not a betting man we might lose well i'll just share the same mic sit really close oh that'd be so funny just like passing it back and forth. Oh, I have joke too. Oh, you say?

No, that place is really sick. It looks so much like Rogan's studio that he used to use with the long wooden board table and multiple mic setups just like this all the way around and cameras already pre-set up and I think that they do all your editing for you and everything. It's going to make IRL PKA super duper easy. Maybe we'll just knock out a few. Yeah, absolutely. And it's cheap.

It's not like crazy crazy expensive. Well, I mean, it's not cheap. It's a couple hundred an hour. If you're there for five days, do four episodes, take a month off. Yeah, well, I mean, I apologize for my felonious nature,

but it's got to be in Atlanta. That's okay. Enjoy your freaking flyer, Miles. Until October, right? Until October, and then I'm... October? October? October at the longest. There's a chance he could...

What's the term for getting let off early? I don't know if there is a term, but the situation is... I've explained it a few times, but basically, once you've done half of your federal probation, whatever that is, in my case, it's one year of two, you can appeal sort of to like, Hey, I've been a good boy. Can we just call it quits? And the court system is so jammed up from COVID that I can't even get a hearing or like the court clerk to like process my stuff. So I'm stuck in this limbo because of COVID, which the worst part

of COVID for me personally. But as of right now, October 3rd is the day I was released from prison. I was actually going through an old phone, um, to today, early this morning. And I found that old picture of me like coming out all like grizzly with my nasty beard and just be like, Hey, and it's like, I'm like October 3rd. Okay. I think that would be the day. Um, if not, then it's like five days later when like I signed all my like paperwork for probation, but, uh, something like five days later when I signed all my paperwork for probation. But something like that. Early, early October.

All right. Yeah, it's eight months from now. Not long, man. Not long. It's going to happen. It's going to happen. Sooner than later. You guys want to call it a show?

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