Painkiller Already - PKA 723 W/ MorePlatesMoreDates: Derek’s JRE Experience

Episode Date: October 25, 2024

PKA 723 with our guest Derek of More Plates More Dates. Taylor. This episode of PKA is brought to you by Lock and Load, BetterHelp, our merch, and yes, we have with us the Load King himself, Derek. Thank you for joining. Oh, thanks for having me again, guys. Appreciate it. Man, it's still, I laugh every, the fact that we sell these pills, become one of those things that like,

when I meet someone for the first time and I'm with friends who know what I do for a living, they're like, Taylor, tell them about the compills you sell. And I'm like, I'm talking to this person for the first time. I'll be like, I'm a bit of a magnate in the jizz biz. Don't look at, well, do look it up. And then it's, it's just a hilarious thing you've turned us onto. So thank you for that. No, yeah. Thanks for the idea. Like I don't look well do look it up and then it's it's just a hilarious thing you've turned us on to so thank you for that. No yeah thanks for the idea like I don't even remember exact it's been a while so I actually don't remember how the first conversation came about. I remember exactly I

was so I was embarrassed to send the message to you because it's such an embarrassing I was like well I think I typed it out like five times. It was like, I think it would be any interest in a product that makes people. And I don't even know what I was like, do I say come? Do people ejaculate more? And you were it was so funny. Like you took a while with your response. And but you all don't know the voice. Derek sends these voice notes back and you sent like five minutes of.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I know some guys who were into that scene as well. They probably got some thoughts. I can pick their brains on it. And I'm thinking this, this chemical and that chemical and they're in the right qualities. We're going to see some real improvements. It's like, I loved how quick you were on the case and like had thoughts and, and data on it. It was great. No, it's like, uh, it's not a well known type of product,

but I guess in the male self-improvement space, it's something we've all looked up at least once and are aware of, I suppose. For sure. Yeah, man. Yeah, it couldn't have been better alignment on that, I think. It's been well-received. Everyone loves it. A lot more demand than I thought there would be for something like this, actually I know right. People love coming hard. So tell us about what the the new formula is and and how I know there's fewer capsules now. Yeah yeah so the primary thing I didn't like about

the previous iteration was the odd number of capsules you had to take. So even though it was already like a lot to ask to get people to take nine a day, but then to ask them to take five in the morning and four at night, it was just such a weird dosing protocol. And then also it has to be accompanied by a fat containing meal. Like there were so many specifications around its use that it was a little bit of a barrier to entry, I would say, because I don't know about you guys and how many supplements you're taking nowadays,

but I know for me, I have a pill container and I only have so much room in it. And once you start to get to a point where you have to remember to take extra stuff than can fit in like your typical daily routine, it's kind of just like, fuck it, I'm not gonna take any more things. So I always wanted to get the dose at least down to eight, so we could be like four and four. But as I started to explore it more over the past couple of years, I had seen that not only

was there a way to avoid having to take it with a fat containing meal, which was like a big barrier, but then also being able to refine it into a six capsule total dose, and then have a way more approachable like 3am 3pm split. I was like, Okay, we got to look at what this would look like. And also something that came about was my realization that people were probably going to be on this almost as if it's a daily multivitamin. And taking something with that high of a concentration of vitamin E, selenium long-term,

I would not be confident in telling somebody for the rest of your life, you could take that high of a dose of those things. So taking that a step back gave us some room to be able to lower the actual number of capsules of it. And then also raise the sunflower less than, which is like the base of the formula essentially. So summing it all up, we were able to actually get the formula down to something that's more, uh, refined, sustainable for daily use and also has a bit higher of a dose of the base of the formula that actually enhances semen volume.

So yeah, and then also just like being able to take it without having to worry about it being with a meal every single time. I would still advise people do that for max absorption, but it's not a necessity like it was with the previous iteration. So now the bottle is 180 caps versus 270 Now the bottle is 180 caps versus 270 and way more approachable of a protocol, in my opinion, just for ease of use in itself, let alone the formula quality. So that's kind of a summation of it. And I think it's overall a huge net benefit and more people will be actually willing to use it now than before. So I hope so. I'm just like, it seems like all good changes, super physiological loads once more.

That's true. We were out for a while. Yeah. I was becoming like a normal person. That doesn't split with my ego. I've been holding up an empty ad reads for six months. Yeah. My wife was like, did I do something wrong? What's, what's with this? You almost left him. It was close. It was a problem. Yeah. I felt, I felt bad along was taken to get this thing figured out, but this, uh,

this delivery system, the light caps patented delivery system is, um, a lot more complicated to, uh, work than I had anticipated, but it's, you know, I don't even know of another formula that exists that not only is it rare to find a formula that's like for loads, but then one that is structured in this way where you don't have to take like a soft gel sunflower product separately, and then stack it on top of the powder dry like PGM ingredients and whatnot, something that's just like cumulatively all in one that's

still absorbed properly. It was kind of like new territory. So it took a lot longer than I hoped, but now we have it figured out and hopefully never out of stock again. And I don't know if you guys want to talk about it at all or how much we could talk about publicly, but potentially retail on the horizon as well. We can talk as much about it as you're comfortable with. Yeah, no, I think that'd be really cool. We've been talking about that for a while because I'll go into like a sex store to get my odds and ends, you know, party hats and such.

And my Galaxy gas, you know, I gotta see the gas stuff. Yeah. I don't know. Otherwise she might say no. Get your new. That's our next product. Attachments. Let's fill Galaxy gas to people.

Let's get it. Dude, dude,. Let's go Galaxy Gas to be. Dude, dude, we can we need to talk about Galaxy Gas later. But but I'll notice there's all sorts of nonsense pills and products behind the counter and I'm like my my product works. Yeah, I should be selling my pills up there. My cummies. Oh, yeah. Fucking Rhino pill bullshit behind the camera. I'm judgy as shit when I see those ads online or I see them in like gas stations where it's like increase how much you jizz and it's like one pill every three days.

These hucksters, these criminals. I was wondering, I've never looked into it, but ad placement costs on like Pornhub, for example, you know how pretty much everything you see on the sidebar is a scam. Yes. Just like obscene claims. Grow your dick three inches. Granny's near you. Yes, I like me.

Here's the catch. You have to fuck them. Don't unless you are committing fucking hot granny near you tonight. I don't know if I have enough time. All right. Come back tomorrow. What was what's wild about those two is it must be successful or else they wouldn't continue spending. I mean, don't judge. Yeah. So who knows? Maybe we can, but I,

to your point, like I don't even know if I would want to run ads of our product alongside all that horse shit. Cause then our perceived efficacy. Hey, you dilute the perceived quality. I'm okay with that. I'm looking at you let a little broader audience know about our commie pill. You know what I was thinking though too, like you guys do ad reads in the middle of the podcast. Hypothetically, just shove an ad read in a porn video. Just us, just us bringing it in. Hey, Got your hands full right now, but hear me out. No, you have like the jigs.

Jackie, this is a big ass, but can we do an ad read in the middle of the side? I feel like for the right money, like there'd be a lot of chicks or couples on board number or whatever. Some guys jacking off and then it's me laying like this on a bare skin rug, naked, like, Hey, sorry to interrupt. Whatever some guys jacking off and then it's me laying like this on a bearskin rug naked like hey sorry Generals are covered by an unknown person who wouldn't watch it and be like I've never seen Taylor begin You better make it up polar bears that we can see I'd start getting like weird looks in public from people who didn't want

I met they'd like that's a fucking bearskin rug I'm on like the old spice but ahoy sailors Just by how like oddited is though too. Yeah, dude. Would be fucking hilarious. I'd have to get in great shape. That'd be good. I'm like, I'm not gonna let people see my fat belly. But you mentioned the the Rhino pills.

Have you ever done a video where you maybe got one of those over-the-counter Rhino pills analyzed and broke down what's actually in there? Yeah, I've never done it, but I've seen lawsuits even on those exact products, and oftentimes it's just like a laundry list of random ingredients, and sometimes it does contain actual Tadalafil or something of that nature. Yeah.

When it's not supposed to. So no shit, it works decently well. Yeah. I took one once and it was the worst experience. First of all, it worked. There was Viagra in there, but it gave me all the worst effects of Viagra as well, like this crazy light sensitivity and crazy, crazy headache.

And after I had sex with the girl, I was like, well, you gotta go. I feel horrible. I've got to lie down. The capacity of a typical capsule is 750 milligrams. So you can just imagine if there's some like, unethical person is willing to illegally put Viagra in your product anyways, and not telling you who fucking knows how many milligrams of

viagra is in there could be 300. Yeah, nobody's on 300 yeah it's huge yeah and i went to the gas station i was like give me one of those yeah you really bought one like the the background of it looking like a trading card didn't tune you in i knew what i was getting into i knew what i was getting into but i had a heavy afternoon of second. The ad copy on the package is written with a Chinese accent. It is. You come hard. It's like not even close.

I mean, the whole idea that they're suggesting, I think, is that there might be rhinoceros horn in the product, which is- Oh, they do love that. Yeah. Which, you know, is they believe in parts of Asia is an aphrodisiac and a sexual You know helper adult helper or whatever, but whatever was in there was off that's judgment on that Wait, we're not motor who works

Well the rhinos advertising campaign two billion Chinese people can't be wrong We know better than you I Wouldn't trust any of that. But our pills don't have any rhino horn in them and they work. So that's good. Yeah. Nowadays with like telemed platforms, it's kind of crazy that not long ago that was the way people had to get dick pills was go to the gas station and hope it had something like Cialis. And now you guys have like blue chew and lock and load pills.

Like you don't need to shop anywhere else. Yeah. We're in the telemedicine is interesting. I, you probably know more about this than, than any of us do. I know you can get all sorts of like, uh, like you can get finasteride and, uh, like herpes medications and probably hormones and stuff. Um, like through telemed, What's the legal stuff behind that? Like what's the limit to what can be prescribed via telemedicine? Yeah, that's the tough thing is because it's almost up to the

Risk tolerance of the pharmacy as you can fulfill through so what drugs are actually available in legally? Compliance and certified facilities so that drug catalog is kind of what you're limited to. And then above and beyond that, it's like how willing is the doctor to risk their license for something that might not be justified? So you can technically prescribe anything off label for whatever, if you have a good enough justification. Like with Dutasterideide which is like the most

powerful five alpha reductase inhibitor for hair loss is what I use technically it's not approved in the US for hair loss of course not yeah it's like for like killed those chips in Malaysia what's it called again what's the name of it dutasteride yeah it's like finasteride on steroids basically like finasteride on steroids, basically. Okay, finasteride on steroids. Safe. Yeah. So that like nukes your DHT. But typically, it's only prescribed if you have benign prostatic hyperplasia, which is

like a big prostate. So it was to say I might have a little of that. Exactly. Getting older. A touch of it. And that's like a loose, that's a low risk example too. But there are like, pretty aggressive stuff low risk example too, but there are like pretty aggressive stuff being done where like, you know, Anivar, a very popular steroid that is highly sought after and faked often in the black market. If you're a girl and you don't want to get viralized and end up

looking like a dude or you're a guy who just wants legitimate shit, you know, it's advantageous to have pharmacrate product. And is there ever a justification though, for a bodybuilder to get prescribed Anivar, like typically, not really. It's really burn victims and stuff. So it's like trying to justify that it could be prescribed technically, but it's maybe you got sunburned in the tan in bed, you know, and he needs Danielle up for the show, you know, and he's a little Anovar. Yeah, but with like ED meds and stuff, it's like really, really kind of like subjective, often psychological to what causes erectile dysfunction,

circulatory often too, but it's kind of like, do you have symptoms? Yes, no. Okay, well, we can probably justify a prescription without evaluating you in person and like looking at things So it's pretty easy to get and pretty Compliant I would say nowadays like there's not much scrutiny on it. Whereas back in the day. It was a lot of different Yes, it's a it's a weird line because I take I can't remember what it's called for cold sores It's it's whatever the pills are Valtrix Yeah, but it's like valacyclovir or something That's a chemical name. Mm-hmm. It but it's so nice to just have a bottle of those pills and I didn't have to talk to

A doctor I just had to go to a website and click some boxes and they believed me and sent me antiviral medication through the mail And it's like yeah Having to go to your fam doc and be like, hey, so I go fuck that. Well, they won't do it. They'll do like, ah, this is actually for general herpes. And I'm like, yeah, but they're like the same fucking thing and it works so well.

And I don't want a big rotten spot on my lip for three weeks. So give me the pills. I feel like there's too much barrier between you and the medicine you want, right? If I want to try a hair loss medicine, if I want to try a herpes medicine or whatever, why do I have to, like, I don't know, go to a doctor and get embarrassed?

It's harder than it should be. Now I get some things have big risks, but maybe there's more classifications and we can over the counter more stuff, it sucks. Yeah. Yeah, no, I agree for sure. Like some of the stuff that's available over the counter is like arguably far more dangerous too

than stuff you have to get like significant sign-offs on I agree for sure. Like some of the stuff that's available over the counter is like arguably far more dangerous too than stuff you have to get like significant sign-offs on to justify. They can always feel stupid trying to go to a doctor to then try and like beg for what you hope to get and be on your best behavior so you don't fuck it up and then get to your meeting. Is GorillaVine gonna sell semi-glutides?

We sell it through Merrick Health as well as Ter Zepatide and I guess Red A Truetide when it comes out, which is like the most advanced GLP-1 medication. So yeah, like through Merrick we do, but Gorilla, no, we just do dietary supplements, energy drinks, et cetera. Is GLP-1 like Ozempic? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like the thing it mimics to basically suppress appetite more. How does it work?

No one knows exactly but it's thought to be the suppression of like it slows gastric emptying So almost like keeps stuff around longer and makes you have Satiety signaling to your brain as well. There's a few different things going on at the same time as well as the increase of certain hormones. But in general, it's like mimicking a hormone your body would naturally produce that tells you you're satiated, but like at a mega dose that prolongs its activity for like weeks. So it's, it's like a super, it's think about testosterone and going on like a cycle. It's like going on a cycle of like satiety signaling to your brain. Okay. But you would never be able to replicate that level of signaling naturally.

Could you tell what I was like, I did though. I did. Ah, yes, yes. I've been looking at these for weeks. So much like a Derek video, the first time I hear about this topic, I understand a third of what he told me. And then that can work its way up all the way to like two thirds sometimes. Oh, shit. Yeah, what was crazy is I was talking about these drugs

years ago before they became popular. And like, oh, this looks like a really interesting thing for bodybuilders and prep to not bail on their appetite and fuck up. Because typically when you're bodybuilding, you're kind of limited to what you can use that helps you stay on track, especially when you get to single digit body fat,

you're just like, you know, your brain is just craving things nonstop and it's like borderline starvation level territory all the time. But you're kind of limited to using like heavy duty stimulants, things that crank your CNS mess with your heart, crank your dopamine weights, you have a central nervous system. So, like the drugs that were available were kind of shitty for suppressing your appetite. Things like Adderall were being abused. People were smoking.

I know some people who started smoking just to suppress their appetite to get ready for bodybuilding shows and then became addicted. I started vaping. Yeah, of course I know him. He's me. Yeah. Oh my God. Like when I was at my hungriest and like lowest body fat, I was smoking. I

was going to the vape shop every week getting a new flavor and it was always like banana pancakes. It was like the things I wanted. What was your caffeine dose up to back then? I forget. It's probably like a gram or something. I took a gram one time to see how it would feel and it didn't feel like too much. It just felt like a lot, but I was taking about 750 milligrams, uh, on like at the, at the most, um, and 500 was regular. Like 500 was, if I felt like I needed, I was going to take 500 no matter what, but if I felt like I really needed a boost, I was going to take 750.

That's just really build your only source or did you do coffee and stuff like that? I was always drinking coffee and like kind of, but I, and tea, I drank so much unsweetened tea and green tea, but so just lots and lots of caffeine all the fucking time, but pills, I would get those pills from Amazon and that's like the cheapest way to get caffeine. I don't know how many milligrams they are, a couple hundred each and you get like

a couple hundred of them for $12. It's like yeah. Yeah, so typically people are using an array of different things that are not necessarily side effect free. Not that GLP-1 medications are side effect free either, but they don't crank your brain in your heart the same way that stimulants and Some of the more addictive things might so they're pretty pretty Great and what they do and then they started to pick up steam and popularity as kind of celebrities were said to be using them And this that so they're just like everywhere. Why is there or has there been this? They're just like everywhere. Why is there or has there been this? Shortage of product is it is it a somewhere? Is it a thing in the supply chain?

Is it a difficulty of production or is it yeah, is it technology? Like what's what's the whole back? Well, these drugs were initially developed for diabetics So there was an amount that was produced to maintain the diabetic population with their medications and then all of a sudden, once the gen pop found out, you can take the stuff and lose weight and it's better than pretty much every other drug option. Like, holy shit, the demand went skyrocketing to a point where the diabetic, diabetic people, some of them couldn't even get their medication because it was at a start. So yeah, so it's just like a demand has outpaced the supply. Sorry, grandma.

Do you think you're better than me, grandma? I need to have. Fashion season's coming up, granny. What do you care about swimsuit season, grandma? People using it for vanity is probably like a giant chunk of the customers now, whereas before it was only for legitimate medical conditions and it's created like, you know, a demand insufficient or supply insufficiency that has not yet caught up with the demand essentially. Yeah, I was gonna ask is Merrick able to fulfill like, like, like if someone wants some, which

should they go to Merrick? Like it can be. Yeah, yeah. Like we will evaluate on a case by case basis we can't guarantee you're gonna get prescribed but yeah yeah it's uh i would absolutely recommend going there to get overseen by a professional who'll make sure you knock it you don't fuck yourself up too because oftentimes the dosage you get if you just go to fill in the blank telemed company who's just pumping out scripts, there's not a professional who's overseeing to make sure you don't screw yourself up and end up vomiting the

next day from overdosing. So, um, cause that's a pretty, if you look at the side effect profile in general, cause it works by delaying gastric emptying, um, it can cause a lot of GI distress for people. Like vomiting is not an uncommon outcome while you're using it. And half life of the drug is so long, you might end up dealing with that for days before it's out of your system enough. Is that the biggest risk by far for the GLP-1 or whatever, just gastro stuff? In general, from what we've seen and what we know, yes, but there is some odd stuff that we've seen too. Like, for example, this is not talked about often, but a lot of people, when they take it,

even though it's not a stimulant, the resting heart rate jumps up five to 10 beats per minute. So like I've used it and I know like I track my metrics when I sleep and whatnot, my resting heart rate goes from like 50 to 60. Every single time I tried any GLP one,, regardless if it's semiglutide, triseptide. And that's kind of sketchy because it's like the higher your heart rate in general, like the faster you're going to kill yourself. So the lower- So many beats in there.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, that no one really knows for sure what is the reason why, but typically the outcome of somebody losing a shit ton of weight outweighs whatever downside of that heart rate increase but it is yeah but we're talking about using it for vanity purposes for losing like six pounds that's where it's kind of questionable we don't really like but for an obese person it's like yeah if their net heart rate is going to go down a lot because it's already pumping So we're getting a number of like extreme solutions for the obese honest. That's the crazy thing though is it is so Significantly potent that doing whatever this thing is there are people that still on average have a heart rate increase

Even when they lose 30 to 40 pounds Interesting and then when they come off if then when they come off, if then when they come off the drugs, did they kind of go to their new normal or do they just go down? But then most of them gain the weight back because they can't control their appetite. Real monkey's paw situation here. Yeah. We've uncovered. What? Why is this live longer or live better? No, because they lose, he's saying they lose 40 pounds and like where on the graph their heart rate should be be your heart rate is up. Yeah, I understood what he said. I'm okay with the trade It'd be clear that this doesn't happen to everyone and I don't want to make it seem like you're absolutely gonna have this giant jump

but it's just worth noting and looking at if you're gonna take this stuff or on it because I when I look at my I have a eight sleep It's like a mattress that tracks your sleep metrics and stuff It's like I have a chart that shows my last year resting heart rate And then when I start anytime I sort of GLP one, it's just like clear jump every single time Yeah mattress tracks your heart rate Yeah, it's kind of like is it the letters or the number? What is this? The letters I think typically, but it's like I've tried a lot of these like

sleep tracking devices like the rings, the wearables and this thing is the best one in my opinion because it not only tracks your sleep to the same level of quality as stuff you have to wear without having to wear anything, but it also auto regulates the temperature of your bed based on what would get you the perfect, most optimal sleep for your body. Do you pay for your mattress on a monthly subscription? I'm sponsored, so I just get it. I would buy it. I would still pay for it, even if it wasn't sponsored like that's how much I like That's a big turn off for us I'm with Woody on this one. We were talking to one of our our patrons in our $50 hangout and They have a mattress that has just dual zones and maybe cooling and it come it's like 20 a month that you pay

for this mattress for the for those smart effects and I just don't like that. Like I know it's just 20 a month, but my mattress, my mattress is. Yeah, if I slept on my own, I might think more like that. But like I have I don't know about you guys, but my girlfriend, she's like so much colder of a body temperature than I am for sleeping, that if it was at my ideal temperature in the room and everything, she would fucking freeze. And if we had it for her, I would not even be able to sleep because it's so hot.

So this thing splits down the middle with like a virtual line and she's over here with like a super hot, warm, like perfect body temperature situation for her. And it doesn't touch my side at all. And I'm like over here in my Arctic cold side of the mattress and it vibrates you to wake up so you don't have an alarm that blares that wakes the other person. That sounds a little scary the first time though. I don't like that. Maybe don't think the world's ending. Do you ever uh do you ever fuck on it and check your metrics? Or her metrics I guess? You're lying! You didn't come.

I'm interested in the data. I've perused the data. I've perused the data. They gotta add that as a feature on the next upgrade for sure. My mattress says you did like it. No, he's not checking. Yeah, subscription service. I want to get back to the retail talk about lock and load.

What can we really say about that? Well, what I can say is since we talked last, GorillaMine has expanded quite a bit to where we're one of the top brands in the vitamin shop in GNC now, which is exciting because it gives us the opportunity to just be like, Hey, here's a new formula, we think you guys would dig, put it on your shelf, and then most of the time are into it, because it's something new and exciting. So in their sexual health category, we have a product called Sigma, which is a testosterone booster. And in

the vitamin shop, it's the best selling testosterone booster by quite a bit. And they've been asking, it's the best selling testosterone booster by quite a bit. And they've been asking, Oh, make something else that's like, you know, adjacent to it. And personally, I'm not one to make a fluff version of another product that does the same thing. Like often you'll see these companies will make. There's this one ridiculous company that would compete against something they're called new genetics and they have like the same test booster like five different times. It's like new genetics hardcore new genetics, thermo new genetics, whatever black version. It's like this is all the same shit. But you know, to people who are unaware, they just eat it up and think,

oh, you know, I got to get this one or I got to get this one because this is the fat burner test booster or whatever. So we're not going to do that. So what is the natural next actual complementary thing to Sigma lock and look? It's like a totally additive, not overlapping really to any significant degree product. Some of the vitamins overlap a bit, but ultimately like it's for semen volume more than anything, whereas the other product is... Yeah, so... There is, it's almost hard for it.

I think it's the one-two punch that would crush on shelves and I just don't know how receptive some like the bigger chains are. Like we're in Walmart too. We'll probably pitch it to them if it does well. But yeah, I'm thinking in the shorts or in G&C and the shop. I think cumulatively. It's like a couple thousand stores probably I should wide I think they'd be into it and Yeah, we'll see how that goes if they are into it. We don't have to come shots off the bottle That's my biggest concern Taylor. Yeah

If we have to choose between some sort of cum business and You know our integrity the integrity of having the cum stains in the bottle. I think you know where I think I know you stand Yes the money No, Taylor no when I was when I was battling hard in our group chat for the cum splatters I genuinely I'm like this is gonna be a one-off hard in our group chat for the cum splatters. I genuinely I'm like this is gonna be a one-off like it'll sell really well for three days and then that'll be the end of the jizz biz so we better make it funny and also make sure it works obviously so people would like it. Like I don't think any of us pictured

that we'd be like oh yeah have you heard of GNC in the vitamin shop? Yeah the largest retail distributors of supplements globally. Yeah I think they're gonna put our comp bills in. That's awesome. So I, if we could get into Walmart with these, we, we would have to remove the comp splatters for that. We'd have to have a special run for them. Maybe not. Hopefully. You never know man. Like another name for what they are. Just make something up. Those are bulls eyes. They would like it. I don't know, man, I don't,

I don't know much about, uh, the distribution process when it comes to vitamin shop and GNC, but like, what's the kind of the turn like on the other product, the Sigma, like kind of pieces per store per week. That I would have to get you guys the numbers on after the show probably, but it's been good. Like I think in general, if I was to look at what we do online versus in the store, it's probably like the same numbers online as in store. So it could like double the output potentially.

That's excellent. So I think in general, it like sets a precedent too for like, here is data showing we have a highly successful product in specialty stores like the vitamin shop and GNC. Would you guys be willing to go outside the scope of your typical product to feature this? Cause we think it'll crush to Walmart or like wherever. And you know, if they have test pictures at one time, that was probably seen as like a weird product or whatever. So, Oh yeah.

I remember buying T-Bomb 2 in like 2001 and thinking I had scored steroids and being so psyched and taking so much of it my piss turned green. Dude, back then I probably did have steroids. We did get real sweaty and angry. Well, I'm just stuck on the retail. Walmart does have a sex section in their pharmacy area. And so it's not like Walmart of 20 years ago where that was like a hidden tucked away little corner.

Walmart sells vibrators now. They've got like, I think that's their most edgy thing is that like, if you go to where the condoms and lube are, they've got those, I think, I don't know which, maybe Trojan like made their own vibrator and snuck it into the products, which is like a genius idea. But here's the thing, we wouldn't wanna be in in the sex toy section. We'd want to be in the pharmaceutical section. Perceived efficacy is very important. Well, yeah, I want to be right next to

aspirin, not next to lubricant, Taylor. Of course, that makes more sense. No, not next to aspirin, in the sexual health section of the pharmacy. Oh, wow. They call the departments apparently personal care and health and medicine are the two that you would find how sanitized Yes The vibrators it's where horny ladies are going and jacking it Huh, they have manscaped now in Walmart. That's interesting. Oh Manscaped it's something like influencer type products or like going mainstream. It's cool to see.

Yeah. Dollar Shave Club really fell off. I feel like I don't see them anywhere anymore. Now it's, I always wonder if it's like when acquisitions happen, if they are actually so successful, they just don't need to promote on podcasts anymore. Or if it's like they're actually falling off because at least it was that a catch and kill acquisition, maybe like Gillette bottom, right? Oh, I don't know.

That could be the case. I think Woody is right. I think I'm remembering. Yeah. It could be, it could have been a catch and kill thing. Don't you hate that? Yeah. That's the competition out and keep your prices high. I like it when the UFC does it though.

Love it when the UFC does it. The only ones allowed. It should be poor and motivated. Like I don't only ones allow. Yes, we poor and motivated Like I don't want yes poor motivated and they should all fight in the same league so I can see my favorite fighters fight each other Who's the winning on Saturday to Korea or Holloway I Think I think it's gonna be weird time by that before the show. I My heart is with Holloway, but my if had a bet, I would bet on Toporia. And then in the other fight, which I think is the cooler fight, Tomzat, who's had like,

I think like five of his last six have been canceled or something like that, something crazy because of various injuries, COVID hangovers and all sorts of ridiculous shit. And then one of his opponents also got injured, just all sorts of ridiculous shit. And then one of his opponents also got injured. Just all sorts of crazy shit from, he came out and he was super active. He had like three fights in six months or something like that. And he's reviled, I can't stand him.

But he's fighting Bobby Knuckles, our main man from down under. So I'm looking forward to that fight. That fight's more interesting to me, even than the main event, the Holloway fight. But I feel like this might be the end of Holloway's career. Is it Saturday night? No time I think they're in They've got to be in the Middle East for coms ought to fight because of his association with the Chechen warlord

Yeah, I mean you hold that against him but I Yeah, I know you don't hold that against him. You like you like the terrorist. You side with them. I do. I do. Yeah, they seem pretty cool.

They have a real devil may care attitude with their facial hair. Remember, Trump was always some of those people in New Jersey dancing after 9 11. I didn't know he knew about me. I don't think you put the profile of the people. These hate in your hearts. Even, even in the early two thousands, what are you going to do? I just like them because they devote their entire lives to fighting and it's

not their job. It's their life. They're, you know, the, the, the Muslim fighters live and breathe fighting in a way that's beyond what like Chael's son and their John Jones do. It's their friend group, it's their lifestyle, it's everything about them, and they're just hecka driven to fight harder. To make your point, there was a great moment at this week's press conference. They got all the fighters on the stage, Dana White has the microphone, and this guy in the audience gets the mic and

immediately you hear that like that Khabib like accent that like Georgian Kazakhstan accent and he's like Dana White take a chance on me I am 9 and all and he's like you're 9 and oh and he's like how old're nine and oh, and he's like, how old are you? 25. Huh? Come on. Come on up here. Yeah. All right. And like sends him to the back to Hunter Thompson to get, to get, to do some paperwork.

He's like, yeah, we'll take a look at you. Like immediately just looking at that guy in the crowd and hearing that accent from that region, he was like, yeah, we'll see what you're about. Sure. Yeah, that's cool. I love it when Dana White does generous stuff like that. Now it's going to be a win-win if this guy is somebody, but every so often, like I saw a guy tweet, like look at my pictures for the big fight and he's

behind this awful column and can't see the fight at all. Dana White sees the tweet. He's like, get down here with me. The guy had the best seats in the house. Every so often Dana comes up big like that and I like it. That's the dream is to get those Donald Trump seats and be able to sit right there On the other side of the cage so that your eyes do that focus through thing and and completely make the cage invisible As otherwise, it's worthless. Oh, I wanted to ask you about this day. You went on the Joe Rogan experience. What was that like? Yeah, the first time I went it was pretty nerve wracking, I would say. Same as this. Actually, the first time I did your guys show, I was probably more nervous than the first

Joe Rogan one because it was like the first big vlog that they'd ever done. Oh, that's funny. Yeah, I remember shitting my pants for that one. But yeah, it was good. It was a lot more smooth and fluid than I had anticipated. I wasn't really sure how well we'd click, but he's kind of a bro. So it wasn't too hard to obviously a professional talker. So even if you're just, you know, sitting there, he'll somehow make it work. I saw you talk to him about John Jones and Rogan kind of pretends that he believes Jones never did steroids. And did John Jones do steroids?

I think so. Yeah. Yeah. What's your evidence? Well, I have, there's a clip on the JRE channel where I summarize it in like 15 minutes. And it's like, I would say a perfectly consolidated breakdown of that I couldn't put any more eloquently, but the timeline I would probably misstate something at this point, it's been a while since I've looked at it. But in general,

it was a couple different times he popped and the excuses were, you know, kind of weak, but you know, fairly like they had holes holes in them and some of his urine test results were kind of overlooked entirely. That looked a bit finicky as well, like heavy levels of suppression that you would typically only see when you're on hormones. And it kind of just got skated over because they said, you know, gas station dick pills or people,

I don't remember what it was, but. They would just mispronounce picograms enough times to be like, nobody really knows what a picogram is. It's a grain of salt in the Salt Lake, Utah, or whatever the fuck it is. And you're like, oh, I guess it's just not much. They sold me with the picograms. Because, all right, so the deal with the picograms was.

Yeah, you don't know this, Kyle's a denier. And he doesn't believe that Kyle goes to steroids. I'm not a denier. No, I don't believe Arnold Schwarzenegger took steroids either. He's my hero. I used to be like that when I was a kid. I remember when I was like 13 years old, like working out in the basement and they had an Arnold poster and I was like, he never cheated.

I just remember having that thought like he wouldn't cheat. Mark Maguire is a good man. He wouldn't do the things they're accusing him of. This Chicago media is accusing him of. In 97, we all knew those guys were cheating. That's all every all the adults were talking about. His forearms look like thighs. They didn't look real. Yeah. Yeah. Was that after you finished on Rogan, I always wonder like what's the does he like want to hang out? He seems like

the kind of dude that's like after you'd finish, he'd be like, I also I built a bow and arrow place here. And there's a place where you can fight robots and you can golf in the simulator. Like just like a kid with a zillion dollars. Is there any of that? It kind of depends what the schedule is like, because sometimes he has like commitments he has to make it to. But in general, it's just kind of like, it's, I would say as close to the equivalent as showing up to your friends place for a podcast as you would think but with Like really expensive stuff around you does he pay for your flight in your hotel and everything? No, no. Oh

The guests self fun what it takes to get there. Well, I don't know about everyone but I mean in general I would think that Anyone going out Rogan would pay for themselves That would be wild to even ask after being invited, like, Hey, so you know, Oh yeah. Oh, I see. But like, I think that if you get on, I don't know, Ellen DeGeneres, the show, is she still on TV? Like they pay your hotel and your airfare and stuff to get you on the show.

Depends who you are and how much of a get you are. Like when it's Derek's right about someone like Rogan, it's like, hey Joe, thanks for putting me on the largest platform run by a human at this point in history. Can you pay for this Hilton bill? Like who do I bill this to? He'd be like, what the fuck?

It says $384, you know, I have bills to pay. You've got a bar tab. Typically the way he would, it's a lot less, I would say kind of like official as you might think too. Like at least for me, it's a lot less, I would say, kind of like official as you might think too. Like at least for me, when I talk to him, it's next time you're in Austin, like give me a shout and like, come on kind of thing.

Not let's plan a specific date with like logistics all figured out and I'll make sure, you know, he's not offering to book hotels or flights, and there's no discussion that really at all It's just kind of like hey when you're around next time give me a show Let's lie. I think I think you've been you know he got into your shit and learned about it a bit And now I see him and his guests like reference you when it comes to like as a subject matter expert It's cool to see they'd be like you know Derek more plates more know him, right? All right. Then you understand what I'm talking

about here. This guy's cheating. Like you're like this base level of knowledge that he's making sure people have before he like touches on a subject. It's cool. Yeah. Next time you're on there, you should ask how big Joe's comes are. I'll be on in December. So yeah, I'll try to remember that. Definitely open with that. How many of your problems, Joe? And he answered seriously because he's like, this is my highest level expert friend. There must be something important about this question that's reminiscent of other aspects of health. And then you're like, no, do you want to come more big boy?

I'm telling them big boys are the kicker. I came bearing gifts. Just drop one of these on the table. I don't have the opportunity to ever come back by plugging something. You're right. Have you ever thought about changing your background because I hope you never do? No, it's a lot easier to do nothing than to change it, first of all. And I don't know. I think it's relatable and kind of like-

The success of your company has made it so you can have any background you want. You could be in a high rise with the view of Central Park or something. Guys, his supplement company is doing really, really well. But here you are, not a change. That could be your dad's basement, for all I know. It's what people think it is. I've seen Taylor use that as his green screen for a while. Just the paneling and the...

Is that an old intercom system? Is that what that is? It's a secret what it is, but the running predominant theory is that it's the sauna controls that control the temperature in here. Okay. Okay. I remember one of my friend's parents when I was like a little kid had one of those on the downstairs like just an old speaker and they would use the thing like the mom would be like dinner time and like in my head I was like I thought these people were wealthy

beyond imagination To have that sort of thing. I remember we were touring houses and and one of them had an intercom and I was like This is some George Jetsons shit Now boys, I associated it with class because it removes the need to yell across your house Which to me doesn't, it doesn't vibe. Low class. Yeah. Decades ago, this was cutting edge shit right here. Still is.

If an EMP goes off, that'll work with it. I don't know. I don't know how that works. You just get to say things. Whatever. I shouldn't have second guessed myself. Speaking of Rogan, so he's got Trump coming on in. Is that true?

I keep hearing that. I heard that. I think they confirmed it now that Trump's coming on. They confirmed it. I heard Kamala was going on, then I heard she denied it, and now it's a good source. It's just like tweets. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I would love it, and it would be so funny if it was four hours of not even tangentially approaching politics just being like Joe I'm not sold on this giant yeti you're saying is living in the mountains I don't get it. Here's the evidence. I can't say it's the case. You've got to understand this fossil evidence. Now that would be good. Donald have you ever heard of Guglettepe? I know the view for her to go glad be happy Turkish civilization that they say is I would be the best guess Who would be the best guess for Rogan to sort of bring on with Trump and from his universe like like Alex Jones

Like if Alex Jones showed up out of nowhere is like mr. President. I need to talk to you about a few things Uh, I've run into some financial trouble, some legal tragedies, if you will, have followed me. He interrupts too much. I might prefer Eddie Bravo. Same level of crazy, but a little better at waiting for his turn. Who's a funny person that Trump could play off of? Shane Gillis. Shane Gillis. There's Shane Gillis in the mix. He does the impression and everything the mix and that would be hysterical. He does the impression and everything really well. That would be fun. What I hope he does is what kind of the nerdy part of me has always wanted to people to ask presidents and it's about like aliens and UFOs and stuff like that. I want to know some stuff about that. I want to know, I want him to ask Trump to his face stuff about that and Bigfoot too. I don't believe in Bigfoot, but ask him about it.

Do you believe in Bigfoot, Mr. President? Do you think it's possible? I was joking. Don't waste time on Bigfoot. I would, I'd waste a little time on aliens. I object to the idea that this is a waste of time. I'm on Kyle's team here.

I desperately what I bet when Trump was elected, like it got power. One of the first things he asked was about aliens. You know, I bet if you asked whatever CIA handler team gets assigned to all the new incoming presidents and you got to interview whatever little club that is, they'd be like, oh yeah, aliens, first question for all of them. Every single one, ever since fucking Eisenhower.

They're dying to know. And JFK, what does he know about JFK? Yeah he didn't release the secrets. I think it I think those documents were scheduled to be released to the public and Trump like kicked it kicked the can down the road when it came time. It may have been Biden but it was recent uh when it happened because I remember watching Oliver Stone's JFK tremendous movie about it by the way with a crazy good cast with my dad, my mom, like, I don't know, when I was 15 and my dad not thinking he would live this long being like, when you get in 2024, y'all look into this. I specifically remember him saying this to us when we were kids, like, like not maybe not the year, but like they at the end of the movie, they say, you know,

it's been classified until the year 2023 or something like that at the end of the movie they say, you know, it's been classified until the year 2023 or something like that at the end of this movie My I specifically remember my dad being like y'all y'all look into this one that whenever they release that information god And they just kick the can down the road. They won't tell us what happened. Whatever happened to that dude who He had one of the biggest episodes on rogan ever and it was all about Aliens and some spaceship that he found or something. Do you remember that guy? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the guy who claimed to have worked at Area 51. His name's escaping me right now. It was weird. During his appearance, he claimed to have like a migraine or something and to have a hard time concentrating. And it was like, well,

man, maybe we could have done this tomorrow. Bob Lazar, he's like the highest viewed podcast ever on the channel. That's awesome, like a futurist with the last name Laser. You know the Bob Lazar like lore, right, Taylor? He's the guy who, yeah, he worked at Caltech or MIT or something like that.

Oh yeah, yeah, you've told me about this guy. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, One of the, he's, he claims he was recruited to work on captured UFOs and try to reverse engineer them and that he looked at them, saw multiple kinds of them. And he said, um, he described how they were powered. And the only thing that can really be substantiated is he described their hand scan like biometric entry at that air force base like years before that was public information and it's like well he worked there like he kind of knew the layout of the building like clearly he worked there and then there is some evidence that some of his documents have been like erased after the fact because i don't think there's any evidence that he has a degree of any kind. And yet he was definitely recruited by the Air Force to do work on something at

Area 51. So I believe he was working on something. It's a weird mystery behind that guy. I don't know about the alien spacecraft thing. There's five years old now. There's got to be something since then that's of note, you would think. Well, Mazhar has been talking that game since like the 80s. Like like like like there's this old old TV footage talking and telling the same story as he's telling now from 30, 40 years ago or something like that. So I don't know.

I don't I don't think I believe aliens flew here in a ship and crashed and then we captured them. I'm not sure if I believe that something else might've happened though. I do, I do kind of like that theory that they're time travelers, Taylor, that it's us in those ships and that we've time traveled back to this time and our like TARDIS is and every now and then somebody fucks up and crashes and we scoop that shit up. What are we traveling back in time to do just to confuse people in the past?

Do research, you know, do research, do time travel shit. Maybe they need some genetic material from us. Travel shit. Well, I mean, like how many memes are there about like what dudes would do if they could time travel, you'd go back and you'd give some little nudges here and there. Who knows how awful our reality would be without the help of the time travelers? Hmm.

I don't know if I like this theory. If I had if I had time travel capabilities, I would go back and immediately take advantage of it. I wouldn't be like, I'm gonna, you know. That's why you only allow the Chrono people, no, only the Chrono cops have access to Tardis's. So they're above reproach. I think you're thinking of Looper,

which is a movie with Bruce Willis. Oh, am I? Or mentally RIP. Yeah, mentally RIP. Poor Bruce Willis, right? Like toward the end there, it got embarrassing. He made, he made 11 movies in two years. That's the exact number and he's got an earpiece in and they're just feeding him the lines. And he's like in front of green screens or like walking in front of potted plants and shit. And they're like, cut to him saying a thing,

but then they'll show the back of some other bald, sweaty man. It's like, that's not Bruce Willis. Yeah. Dude, I didn't like, uh, they, it may have been a family member of his or something, but they, they did that thing where they posted him and his face post dementia, where he's got like that, like that open mouth and like shocked, you know, eyes. And it's like, don't do that to your dad or your brother or whatever. I think I was just like, hide him away, give him the dignity of not photographing him when he's like that. He always looked a little dopey. So I think maybe you're reading into it.

No, well, I mean, it's certainly not as bad as a. Oh, come on. This is a perfect one. This is fine. That guy was one of the last In so he looks in the yeah, I know in case he doesn't know who he is my weight lifting belt says Woody on it That guy's the last remaining bald guys that people look to as this is an attractive bald guy So don't worry about going bald Jason state them. Yeah, he's holding it up He's holding it up him and the rocker holding it down. The rocks almost mutated at this point, though, you know, like, like he's kind of turned the corner from like good looking guy to like weird looking guy.

He's he's he's kind of odd looking these days. He's he's getting he's getting old and he's getting big. Jason, he's always getting bigger. Yeah, dude, the rock. I feel like a ticking time bomb for sure How does he keep getting bigger every year? Just doesn't give a fuck about Doesn't give a shit pump more into me doc

I'm the rock His persona is so centered around his like presence that I feel like until he achieves whatever like the final goal is maybe it's presidency or something like it's gonna like maintain this like John Cena is a good example of toning it down so to a healthier level because John Cena WWE oh my god he is so like poofy and big his pecs look his pecs look like a bodybuilder like like he looks like a like that's his like a bodybuilder. He looks like that's his best body part maybe. He looks abhuman. And then now you see him in Peacemaker

and some of the other stuff he does. And he still is an extraordinary looking human being, but he doesn't look, see this is even older. This is years ago. This is really much smaller. He's way bigger now. He's bigger than this now. I guess I don't watch rock movies.

He looks good here. I don't usually think of him as having much of a V shape, but he's bigger. He's way bigger. He's bigger than this. I guess I don't watch rock movies. He looks good here I don't usually think of him as having much of a V shape, but he's not the opposite of most people He's gone from like age 25 is the worst physique he's ever had and then now if the he looks way better or like way Bigger than he ever has bigger. Yes. He's got a bit of a Brock Lesnar like This is all to yeah. And so what you're saying, Derek, is there's no potential downsides to this. He's just gargantuan. What he looks like now. He can't get a current pick, I guess.

Yeah. Like go to social media or something like that. Cause I feel like he looks rough. I feel he looks like his head, his, his head's got these indentations in it now that don't look normal like gaming girl hormone and older Why don't they take that growth hormone that just seems so sketchy at large doses that it's gonna change your bone structure And you you're a guy who gets your photograph taken from every angle every week It enhances your Connective tissue integrity,

bone quality, enhances sleep. Like there's reasons to take it, especially if you're trying to maintain a physique. But you become mega-mind. How much does it cost monthly? To avoid getting injured and like maintaining the size he does, growth hormone would be like pretty helpful.

What's a mild growth hormone regimen cost per month? If you're getting it from a pharmacy legitimately like a couple like over a thousand dollars a month easily. But that price drops to what when you go not so legitimately? Oh if you went to like Chinese black market generic probably like good stuff like 200 bucks a month maybe. Yeah. It's a complete difference. That's a little rat poison mixed in. You could go.

No, they wouldn't do that to you or you wouldn't be able to get that. They do it the freaking baby formula. You think they will do it to this? China has no respect for babies, but they love their bodybuilders. Okay. You've got to understand the My About the Chinese supplements is how

And I it came out when when the John Jones dick pill stuff was he was he had he had experts Like, you know arguing his case and they talked about how they would mix one chemical and in the same machinery and then they wouldn't really sanitize it before they switched over to a completely different chemical. And there'd be a little bit of the other thing left in for this new thing. And I was like, yeah, but what are the odds that that thing that fell into John Jones' dick pill

was a steroid that helps UFC fighters? Probably the little, yeah. You're seeing how he's so lucky. Probably the low. Yeah. Isn't he so lucky? Let me ask Derek this. I picture like a giant KitchenAid mixer, but large enough to put a body in, and then they just don't fully clean it and make the next thing. They must mostly clean it. Is there any realistic chance that you're going to pop because of the previous thing

that they made in that machine? Yeah. So at the detection limits they have, it's actually pretty easy to have cross-contamination and stuff coming from China, but this is where if you're the best fighter on the planet, to think that you wouldn't have the prudence to only take NSF approved supplements or whatever, it's often thought to be a cop out excuse. It's not always, certainly not, but it's it's wild that you would be the top of your sport and not think of this

when you know how prominent like some of these cases are. And then no matter what happens, like a lot of people don't believe you and it's tarnished your reputation forever regardless if you're innocent or not. So I think they all do it i think dc's pissed hot i mean he was a he was an olympic wrestler i just can't imagine he did that clean uh i i think we watched him cheat with the towel thing uh which i think is just as much of a cheat as the steroid you know uses it's different because i like him of course it is i just i just think come. I think all the top guys, when you look at some of the output of production, cardiovascularly, like the amount of go-go that some guys just have, that seems abhuman. And it's like, okay, maybe there's that one, there's that once in a million

fluke, like a Max Holloway. I'm not suggesting maybe he's on anything. But when I see somebody else doing that that comes out guy He goes and goes and goes and goes like I just feel like he's doing something I just feel like he's blood doping or like like I want to see his red blood cell count You know what I mean? I want to know what's going on and that's inside that guy's head It makes sense like I I believe the Diaz brothers are drug-free Because that one I want okay, I shouldn't have bad phrasing because of the marijuana. Okay, I shouldn't have bad phrasing.

Their performance enhancing drug free. For one of the words I've talked to a hunter at length about this and the standards in the UFC are a lot higher than they were with USADA in the picture. And I don't know if you've seen some of the recent stories on USADA, but it was like literally covering up positive doping tests to avoid certain scrutiny that would come about from that result.

Just like letting guys pop and then continue to compete if they ratted on other people, even though they knew they were taking literal like heavy doses of deer. It was kind of crazy what they were letting some people do. So them out of the picture has seemingly allowed Hunter to elevate the standard quite a bit and I think that if you were gonna compare sports like UFC is one of the tighter ones for sure and it's definitely less prevalent than it was in the past but even he doesn't think it's like entirely clean. There's definitely ways to squeak through still. Yeah I just think especially with the guys

who are connected in the Middle East, maybe like there's just gotta be some secret sports scientists, doctors somewhere in a lab, like literally in a lab somewhere going, ooh, looking at a beaker full of go juice that they can't detect. A lot of your point location. Just the complications of testing dudes

out of the states though too. Yeah, people go to Thailand to train, but it's not all about the coaches and their training partners. It's also about being in Thailand where nobody, where no one tests you. So you can do a cycle over there and just say, man, I learned so much in Thailand.

Now my biceps are huge. Yeah, even if you get tested, which a lot of these guys will be when they're not in the States still, it's not like there isn't higher barriers to the testing getting facilitated to where you would be able to know ahead of time much easier than somebody in the States who just has somebody like showing up at their door or hypothetically. So yeah, it's it's a weird thing. And I just remember when when the baseball records were getting broken and Hank

Aaron's record who was brave was getting broken. And I was just, I hated it so much. But I think, I think Barry Bonds did, I think he has the most home runs total, like 564 total or 764 or something. He hits so many goddamn total. It's total home runs. I think is the record Okay, but but it's like it's like a clear cheater, right? Like like someone who's not even cheating just a little like the big cheater the guy who ballooned up like the rock

And and and hit home runs long after he should have Beat you guys record. I was I hated it so much. There's still I don't know Maybe in the UFC. I almost want them to be on something for cardio though. Like I don't want them to get gigantic back when they had like uber ream days when you had guys looking way too enormous. That's too much. Clearly you just want the big giant guys to be able to kind of go at it longer. I'd like that and like anything that would support like recovery and like anything that would support like Recovery not anything that would support

Support recovery because that includes a lot of things that are just gonna make them gigantic and scary Like I don't want them to be like WWE stars I just wanted to be not hurt all the time because it's such a violent sport like when they go out even if you win it's like you had a car accident they got ligament damage and bone bruises and Broken ribs and popped like like I didn't even know what a popped rib is. There's that cartilage that connects your ribs together. And apparently it's fairly regular for these guys to like pop that cartilage loose,

like the ribs go in different ways and the cartilage comes loose from one of them. They just, oh yeah, popped a rib. That sounds excruciating. Sounds awful. Low sports are better for watching. Maybe it's my age, but I'm like, man, I don't wanna fight. I like watching it.

Dude, you see some of the injuries now in the NFL. I'm not even an NFL viewer. I am when I pretend to be a Chiefs fan because they're good, it's easy. But you'll just see some guy with his, I saw a guy with his foot turned cartoon style, 100% the wrong direction, not 90 degrees like, like Daffy Duck's bill. I've done that both feet one at a time, but yeah, I do that.

That's just turning around. Whoa, did you, hang on before we go to, you turn your foot all the way around, Woody? Yeah. Once was learning to fly. The other was trapped under a motorcycle. But let me ask you this, because while it's turned around, it's gotta be like, that's gotta be painful, and getting it back the other way's gotta be a relief,

right? Nah, it didn't hurt that much. Okay, nevermind, tough guy. Yeah. No, no, it really doesn't hurt. I don't think broken bones are as painful as people make it out to be. I've broken every arm, every leg, my nose,

I had fingers, I get toes, everything. And it every arm every leg my nose. I fingers I get toes everything and It doesn't really hurt that much on the other end of it Kyle if I saw that happen to you I think I might cry Yeah, yeah it every when I broke what I broke mine it hurts so much Wait, what'd you break so much the bottom of my ankle? I twisted it not all the way around, but far enough that it broke playing baseball. My right ankle is mine. That's the one that hurts the most now.

Huh? It was actually surprised. I'm not pretending to be there was a pop. It genuinely doesn't hurt that much. There was a pop that I remember like reverberating through the bone wiggly style and I heard it. I heard it go pop when it broke and I was laying on home plate screaming like a child because I was. I guess I was like 14 or something like that but it was so painful and I remember they said it was just a sprain and they had me walking on it and then I woke up in so

much pain I was like screaming and they took me back to the ER and it was broken and they had me walking on it. And then I woke up in so much pain, I was like screaming and they took me back to the ER and it was broken. And they had me walking around on a broken foot for like two days or something like that. But yeah, that was incredibly painful, but nothing like what you did when you turned your foot around backwards like Daffy Ducks Bill. The broken bone's not that big a deal.

It was the soft tissue stuff that takes forever to heal and rehab and all that. It sucks. The exception of my arm, every time I broken something, I kind of hoped it wasn't broken. The arm was like a Z, the forearm, can't show up when I'm up and then back. You just knew, like, oh shit,

I'm not supposed to have two elbows. But everything else, it didn't, I mean, it, I don't know what your bone density is. It just doesn't hurt that bad. The nose, I agree with, I think it was a little bit of shock going on. It just doesn't hurt that. I agree with like, I broke my nose a couple of times and it's like, it's the amount of blood that's alarming. Both times it happened once when I was seven, once when I was 13 and like, it's a scare for like a seven year old, it's a horrifying amount of blood.

But I even remember like, I like saw it and it was crooked and like clearly cracked and I couldn't like there wasn't really any pain it's just scary because it's like I've never seen this amount of blood leave my body before and am I gonna die? Derek you got broke I want to tell this I broke my nose four times and three of the times it was like ah shit here we go again but I was like still me and with it another time time I got punched in the nose. It was that one where I had my arm in the sling and it was paralyzed. And a guy just decked me, leveled me,

broke my nose in two places. I can't believe he hit a guy in a sling. Yeah, yeah, dude. And then he claimed that he didn't have the sling on in court. There's blood all over his face. He was like, he wasn't aware of it. All right.

So, but to this day, it is like 30 some years later. I remember just how much I wanted to like, I was like, all right, time out. I can't, oh my God, I'm leaning over. I'm seeing all the blood on the pavement and it completely took the fight out of me and it's impacted my sense of who I am. Oh, it absolutely takes the fight.

I mean, did y'all get surgeries at all for your noses or get them popped up again? Yeah. I was supposed to, but I just live with a big nose instead. Both times. They put you under like a good sleep. I said before, my mom opted to have the doctor

do a little plastic surgery on me when I was like 13, because I used to have a hump in my nose. Your mom was the best. You could kill the accutane too. Shout out mom. She was great. And yeah, I remember her, she was just like, while you're in there, just shave that down.

Get some nice right angles in there. And so to this day, it's like weird. 5% better looking because of that. What if she'd given you like a cute little girl nose, like accidentally. Probably a Japanese girl. Can you imagine? Yeah, like a Japanese anime girl What if she's like, giving you like a cute little girl nose, like accidentally. Probably like a Japanese girl. Yeah, like a Japanese anime girl. And your dad's like,

your dad's like, God damn it, what have you done to him? He looks like little boop boop in there. I've already been yelling at him because he waves to people like this. I'm trying to get that out of him. That was a real point of frustration by my dad. And when I was like a very young kid, as people would leave and I'd be like, bye.

I'd like flap my hand at him. And my dad would be like, Taylor, what are you doing? And I'd be like, and I fundamentally, I'm like, I don't understand what I'm doing wrong here. He'd be like, you wave like this. And I'm like, yeah, I am. I'm just like, I'm just lapping my hand. I'm skipping around.

The first day I did well in hockey practice. He must have been like, all right, God, we're going back to church. Like you wrote a check that day. If I remember correctly, weren't you bouncing and then someone sucker punched you? Yeah. So I've never had a broken nose, but I've had a, the Zygoma was like pushed in from getting sucker punch one night when I was bouncing. It was like end of the night had to close up.

And in general, you have like certain amount of time where you're willing to, you know, you have to walk around and kind of do the rounds, just tell people time to go, time to go, lights are on, get out of here. And one dude just like was kind of, I don don't know giving me shit all night sort of thing or at least was like giving signs of being kind of like I don't know off and then uh yeah he uh sucker punched me at the end of the night and uh I had to get this bone like pushed back out or also would be like sunk in I guess. What led to it? Like what, tell me more about the conversations and the like low level conflict that happened that night.

Oh, I think it was just like it, at that bar I was working at, there's kind of a, it's not like everyone gets in, you kind of pick and choose who gets in. And sometimes it's as significant as Only hot girls get in and ugly ones. You have to make up an excuse why they can't get in So like when the Vancouver Canucks are playing fill in the blank team The opposing team would typically come party at that bar. It was like a more private

Low amount of people location with low capacity limits. And it's like a really kind of quiet private place. From the party, it was like a champagne lounge. It was called. And typically we would, when those teams would come in, we'd have just the team. And then we'd have to pick and choose girls based on like how attractive we think they are, which is pretty crazy interactive. Are you picking sluts for the opposing hockey team? Is that what you're saying? based on like how attractive we think they are, which is pretty fucking crazy. Interactive? Are you picking sluts for the opposing hockey team? Is that what you're saying?

All right. Yeah. So like you deem the quality like as they're at the door and the other ones, you have to make up a reason why they couldn't get in. And for dudes, you would end up turning everyone away if they weren't on the team. Uh.

I'm sorry. Do you play for the Carolina Hurricanes? everyone away if they weren't on the team. I'm sorry. Do you play for the Carolina Hurricanes? Ah, fuck you don't. You'd be like, sorry, dude, we're out capacity. And then you'd like, let some chicken right beside them. And they're like, oh, I get it because I'm not a professional athlete. You're not going to let me in. It's like, yes, exactly. I'll go get out of line. But that's just one example of many where you'd have, you know, but he was in. So why was he upset?

That guy, he had a just kind of, I'm just giving like a primer of how like ridiculous the Sanders are in this place. Um, but he was just like kind of belligerent and drunk. And I guess got a bit melty with me and I got melty back and Obviously had it out for me by the end of the night where he wanted to like show me what's up I guess and when I told him like Like you got to get the fuck out because this guy was giving us a hard time just to leave the bar Even once the lights were on

Did you alpha him a little bit on the way out the door like all right, bro get you don't let the door hit you With a good lord. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely gave him, uh, enough of a reason, I guess, in his mind to justify swinging. But in my mind, it was like, let's get the fuck out. You know, like I got to go home and eat some taquitos, bro. Yeah. I'm at work. Like, come on, let me leave. Yeah. Are there ever any good stories you remember of specific teams that they like stuck in your mind were like golly, the fucking Calgary flames are a madhouse. Well, I don't wanna read this story yet.

I know, he's got a scent for it. Yeah, I know, it's like a squirrel. You know Yarrow Mildenogger? That was his name. Before we go to Taylor's question. Did you get Yarrow Mirror to sign my stick? Were you looking the other way? Did he did he come?

You just weren't expecting violence like he hit you. Oh, yeah. Well, not expecting violence at all. I was just like this guy's the belligerent, like aggressive dude. Maybe not even aggressive, just like mouthy, you know? And if somebody's mouthy with you in the bar and you're a bouncer, like oftentimes it's like the bar and you're a bouncer, like, oftentimes it's like, the fuck are you doing, dude?

Like it's just, we're asking you to go home after we're closed. Like this isn't a weird request. Yeah. You know? So, uh, yeah, he just didn't like my, anything happened to him? Other bouncers, police? Uh, we got like tossed out by the other bouncers and, um, I don't even remember

if they beat him up after or not, but hopefully You'd hope so right? Yeah, but you're having surgery. It doesn't seem like justice was served. Um Yeah, like I guess I had the opportunity to press charges if I wanted but I mean I just didn't and it kind of was the catalyst to me starting my online Stuff, so maybe I was just so happy with how that was going. I just didn't really give a fuck. So I never went back to the job after that actually, because I started writing blog articles on my website, moreplacemordates.com when I was injured.

So while it was healing, I just started typing different articles about how to gain muscle, how to do this, how to do that. Started making YouTube videos in 2016, and then it picked of picked up steam, and I was like, why would I go bounce, and deal with rowdy fucking people when I could just keep making content online

and make more money. So yeah, that was kind of the blessing in disguise from that guy. It's crazy when they- Really panned out. Shout out to that guy. That guy, Mr. Beast. Huge shout out to that guy. That guy, Mr. Beast. Huge shout out to that guy who assaulted Derek eight years, nine years ago.

All right, Taylor, do you want to talk about hockey players scoring loose? I thought it followed. He brought the Vancouver Canucks. There was no more interesting dynamic than watching how girls would talk to what they perceived to be professional NHL players versus the average bar guy. So like on those nights when they thought it was just NHL players in the room, totally different behavior. And it was interesting too, cause I'm tall white and I guess look like I might play hockey.

So they often thought I was on the team and I was wearing a jersey and I had a six. Did you just use this notion or just roll into it? We used to have a joke among the bouncers that I would just like after work go leave with the team and start playing in the game. And just like play out the weirdest scenarios, but like for the night the chicks would, you know, think anyone who looked like they were dressed well and played hockey was a hockey player. And just really interesting to see the social dynamics in itself. But also, I don't know, I've never seen athletes that looked less like professional athletes than NHL players. A lot of them are smaller than you think.

Yeah, they're just like, how the hell did you get in the league? And he's like, I'm actually pretty quick. And then it's like, yeah, it's just like in Canada too, like a lot of the, you know, best hockey players come from Canada, unlike other sports. So it didn't look much different than some of the guys that would just like go to a house party with like two years ago, you know, in high school. school I was like this guy just looks like a fucking frat bro. Yeah, this is just a normal-looking frat guy who makes what is it? Oh nine million a year fuck But um

Specifics about which teams I don't recall but um, it was interesting because the Canucks very rarely came It was always the other team Mm-hmm. Yeah, they probably had their own what were the girls like when they were I guess they were trying to pick you up thinking because the Canucks very rarely came. It was always the other team. Yeah, they probably had their own. What were the girls like when they were, I guess they were trying to pick you up thinking you were a meal ticket. Yeah, they'd be like, you know, how long are you in town for? Like, oh, like, what's it like playing hockey? You know, just like, what's a pickup line a girl could come up with that is they think is good? Which is interesting, because typically almost never happens where they would come up to you and try and like hit you with a line.

So having some 10 out of 10 should come up to you and try to run a pickup line. Quite an interesting situation. But yeah, they were just like way more apt to talk and open to whatever and smiling at every single thing you said, even if it was stupid. Just kind of what you'd expect. Did you play into it ever where they're like, so how long are you in town? And you're like, well, we go to St. Louis to get some blues on Tuesday. But it was, it was funny because the first couple of times that happened, I was so oblivious. I was like, what are you talking about? I live here. And they were like, oh, like, how do

you live here and play, you know, wherever I'll say what that my own playing you jump bitch. Well, I'm the worst player on the team. Yeah, but I don't know, there was a few times I kind of just like saw how far it would go. But I want to see you be like a complete conversational moron and see if they hit it back like, you know, like why a rubber duck he's always yellow and then just be like that's that's an astute observation you're pretty smart

I play hockey more than Vancouver Gino you crack me up have you ever seen those like social experiment videos on YouTube where they take like a really attractive dudes photos and then make a fake Tinder profile or something and then see how obscene they can make the yeah and they'll be like former rapists or like whatever and the chicks will still be like well I'm glad that part of your life's over now. I just have to let you know, like I've sexually assaulted like three minors and I'm like, you know, they'll be like, oh, that's crazy. But now everything's fine, right? Oh yeah, I got it all out of my system. I sated my blood lust through those years.

Don't worry. Don't worry. Don't worry. Meanwhile, you have like an average guy who isn't attractive and he said like, Hey, what's up? They think you're a creep, you know? Oh yeah. It's literally like that HR meme. Yeah. Oh, literally, literally to a point. And the funniest, the most interesting part of the NHL players is oftentimes those guys aren't traditionally attractive.

They're like missing fucking teeth, balding, and just like frat bros to the max that don't really seem to put that much care, a lot of them into their like appearance because you know, I'm an NHL player, I'll just show up and who cares? Yeah. And they would treat you like the 10 out of 10 guy on Tinder who's a pedophile, you know, like it's a max and it doesn't matter kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah, that is this heart like I saw you'll see like those viral posts, everyone smell exactly what you stated where it's usually like some incel who's almost like trying to convince himself like it's just hopeless out there. I'm black

ill and it's like calm down, calm down fella. And then he'll he'll be like, I'm using social experiment. I found a picture of an attractive man and I say I'm a rapist and they still talk to me. And it's like, this is all time that could be spent dieting, you know, getting taller, making more money, like just all the things girls have. One of those is hard to do.

You're not spending enough time increasing your height. That's your problem. You need to be length maxing. It is so unfair. Did have you seen I have a rack in my basement. Have you seen the guys that got surgery to get. So yeah, yeah, we've talked about it's like not an impossibility. Like there are guys that are going to the clinics that are gaining like half a foot.

All women need to do is not be fat. Every not fat woman is pretty good looking. I feel like guys have to jump through a lot more hoops. That's fair. It's definitely easier, I think. But like, uh, Zach, bring up a picture of that one doctor who does the leg length, lengthening surgeries. And by the way, this doctor's like five, nine, so he's like doing these and they're like, you ever going to do it yourself doc?

And he's like, what are you retarded? No. That's why I'm a doctor, you know, I don't have to do this, but you, you see these guys that gain like four to six inches and they don't do it to their arms. And so their arms now end at like the top of their way. They look ridiculous. So I have to walk around on crutches all the time. He doesn't look ridiculous in this. Type this guy is smaller. Type in a limb lengthening Brian and see

if you can find this guy. He was six feet tall when he went in. He's a bodybuilder and now he's six. Look at this guy. See, look at, look at the arms. Dude. And how weird it is. I they're a little short. They're a little short, but I don't think that I picked it out. Well, this guy was gorilla before hand. Yeah. He's a bodybuilder. He said, who gained how many inches? Six, six inches. He went from six foot and six, six.

Yeah. His arms look overly long in both pictures? It's not just me, right? His arms or legs. He's an enormous player. Look at what I put in the chat. But when he's standing beside the guy, yeah, put that on dress. Wow. Oh, I see.

He did it in two phases. Oh, now on the far right, you do see how his arms look like kind of oddly short now, right? Yeah, yeah, they're a little short now. And obviously the legs are atrophied because they can't do much. That's what I was going to ask you. Yeah, yeah, before we had the pictures, is he still doing lips? Yeah, so he had to obviously skip leg day for a while because you can't even Even a walk. Yeah It is the magic with a bro you skipping leg day and he'll be like I used to be six inches shorter you asshole Yeah, I've been bedridden in in agonizing earth-shattering pain for the last eight months because I want to post a different number on my

Tinder profile last eight months because I want to post a different number on my Tinder profile. I talked to that guy and he seems like a good dude who's like mentally stable. And I was going to do a podcast and it kind of just, I got buried with business business shift that I couldn't, but I want to, I want to ask him like all the stuff we're thinking. Yeah. It's like Mac from it's always sunny He's like I always wanted to be six six six six six would be perfect. I look great six six He's like

I've always wanted to be six foot ten Which is an absurd height to be Convenient height to be I would hate to be six ten I feel like six four is probably like the the ideal number so that you still fit in hotel rooms and cars and shit And you can you could still move around in the normal world, but three Six four you really stand out. You're like a you're a true one percenter in the high crowd Zach What percent of men are six four or taller? I bet it's like one percent Some country in Europe for the average height is six feet.

Is it Denmark? I think they're the, maybe the Netherlands. One of those is the tallest. I think it is. Taylor, what's your perfect height? I want to hear. Let's go around. I think six, four would probably be the correct height to be.

Derek? I would say six, four as well. It's like the precipice where you don't look lanky and odd and you can still do a lot of normal things without too many complications and your risk of dying early is not like excessively high. Yeah. Once you get to be like one of those, those guys who at age 51 has a cane, like, yeah, I just think it's six, two, and three. You are taller than most people. You're probably a top 4% or something like that. Yeah.

But you're also not like getting attention when you want to blend in. Yeah. You're not going to look twice at a Jason for grocery store. Jason, I'm looking to stand out. The other day I saw a guy. I saw a guy at my local grocery store who was like every bit of seven feet tall, like a week or so ago. And it was like almost like

I want to walk by again and get a load of this guy. Like, this is bizarre. Just a giant bald guy wearing like what on anyone else would have been the biggest shorts on Earth. Just walking around. This guy is getting starting to get chilly here in st. Louis he doesn't need shorts that's just mass keep warm up here yeah a chubby seven foot guy the amount he would eat it's like having a cyber truck a year ago like look you might love it but I don't want that attention I don't like yeah I wouldn't

want it either I think there's also that. And just imagine how awkwardly unathletic you would always feel. Yeah, your coordination sucks. No, I like seven feet tall. Oh, yeah. The most athletic, the most athletic seven foot two guys on earth are in the NBA. And you watch him sometimes and you're like, I almost had almost caught that past champ. You know, like, like it's it's it's like, watch him. He's about to leap. And it's like, no, he's not. What is nice is there's this guy. I think he was,

his name Kelly Olenek and he still plays in the NBA, I think. He was a point guard, which if anyone doesn't know is like the short guy on the team who's typically really good ball handling skills, quick, agile, athletic. And he had a growth sport in like grade 12, where he went from, I think, six feet to like six, nine or six, 10. And he maintained a lot of the athleticism. But even now at in the NBA at the height he's at, it does not look like, you know, somebody who's six feet in terms of how he can run around, how he can ball handle. He's like an athletic variant of a 6'11 guy. Oh, yeah. But like, clearly struggling.

Yeah, you like, if you took like one of those seven foot five guys from the NBA, and they were like, at a barbecue with you, and you were like, Hey, let's throw the football around. They'd be like, No, no, I don't know if I'd be one of those guys who are like, No, I don't know if I want to throw the football. I don't want people to laugh at everything, though, like, like, no, I don't know if I they'd be one of those guys who are like, no, I don't know if I want to throw the football. I don't want people to laugh at everything though. Like like now if you're an NBA player who cares? But if you're just a normal like that guy you saw at the grocery store Imagine his wardrobe costs his bedding like there's no way his bed fits him. Yeah, no way his bed fits him. There's no There's a rumor that the Kelly Olin that guy had a

That's true. There's a rumor that the Kelly Olenek guy had a girl hormone administered when he was in high school to try and get taller before his growth plates closed. Did that work? Hypothetically. There's actually forums now dedicated to people like looks maxing. It's like the people who know what girls want and are accepting of it, I guess, in terms of looks. They will actually chemically modify themselves in puberty with all the information and access

to black market drugs now available. You can actually get some of this stuff at an early enough age where you can manipulate the outcome. Give me an example of what people are doing. They'll take estrogen blockers to avoid the fusion of their growth plates and then take growth hormone on top of that to increase the actual potential of what they could grow to. So you only stop growing once your growth plates fuse,

but if you actually like manually impede the process of the closure with using an estrogen, either CIRM or aromatase inhibitor or a combination of both, you could hypothetically keep yourself in this dormant growth state to some capacity and then try and push it to the max that you can with exogenous growth hormone. Dude, I like that. My 15-year-old me would have been all over that.

I need to make a new Reddit account and be like, well, women really digger big loads. No, my head of buddy in high school, he was like five foot nine, but he was so athletic. like what women really digger big loads. No, there's my head a buddy in high school. He was like five foot nine, but he was so athletic. He was really good at basketball, but it was just like, yeah, I'm never going to be to play beyond this level. I'm five foot nine. And if we could have shot him up with something and got him up to six three, I feel like he could have played, you know, like he wasn't going to be

the next Michael Jordan, but he could play ball somewhere. It would have been fun. There's a five eight basketball player right now from Japan that everyone is loving I think his name might be Yuki or something. I forget but uh, it looks like he's gonna make the team he set the world on fire in the jet in the Olympics got noticed and now he's a I like him because his passes all have a little extra sauce on they're like because his passes all have a little extra sauce on them. They're like disrespectful. He looks the other way and like shoves it. And if you watched him for 15 seconds, you'd be like, I see what Woody's talking about. Everything involves a fake and it's fun. Yeah. Like the outliers in any sport

where it's like, Oh, that's cool. That guy has no business being in the NBA or the NFL, but he's still making it work. Yeah. I find baffling the disparity between some of the salaries and professional sports leagues like NBA versus NHL. For example, it's like, I didn't realize that the Delta was that significant. It's insane. It's cause the TV deals for the NBA are so wildly lucrative and they have a special contract that's like X percentage of streaming revenue and television revenue must go to the players. And so when they sign a brand new enormous deal, suddenly teams are like,

how's this eight year, 25 million a year sound good. And they're like, okay, all right, that's, that's what like we pay a nice bench warmer, 8 million, 9 million a year. So you're right. I think the budget's higher in basketball, but there's so far fewer jobs that makes it, you know, if basketball teams had 50 players on it to divide up like a football team does or 22, maybe how many people are on a football team is a ton hockey teams, like maybe 22. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And I think football might be 55 and basketball 12. So it's, yeah. How many are on a soccer team or football? Football people who are freaking out. We don't know. Yeah, I have no idea. Probably on the field. Yeah, I think it's 11 and soccer, right? I make that up.

That in my hand or on the team? I know it's that's not. There's guys on the side, so I know it's not like 11 total guys. I think there's 11 on the field, but like that's something like you talking about the disparity. I told some of those dudes who are like there's 11 on the field, but like that's something like, were you talking about the disparity?

Some of those dudes who are like the three years in the NFL career or like whatever that number is with like the average NFL players only in the league for 3.2 years or whatever. A lot of those dudes are making like 480 grand a year and most of their job is getting beaten up and practice. Oh dude, the CFL salaries are wildly low. Not that the viewership maybe justifies higher, but I mean like the best player in the entire league might make like a million Canadian, which is like like 600 US. If you're the best, but wouldn't you want to stay though? Like if you're the best player in the CFL,

like if you're an all-star there, would you even want to go the NFL? You're like I'm making a quite the living here and nobody beats me up Why would I want to go to where I'm the worst player in the league and I can barely the top paid CFL athlete is Zach Calarose from Winnipeg and he gets 600k a year See that that's the job right there. That's the job You want to be zailing make it 600k a year See that that's the job right there. That's the job you want to be zailing making 600k a year playing foosball in canada But that's like so that's canadian not us

That might be like what 400 us and then after tax you're looking at like what 200 and something Is that the second biggest sport in canada? Uh, it's Canadian football I don't know. It's gotta be, I guess. Or basketball. Does Canada have an NFL team? No, no, we don't. We have a baseball team.

Might be butchering this. Yeah. They have, uh, how many basketball teams they have? They have a lot of Raptors and who else? Nobody? Yeah. For basketball, they just have they just have the Raptors. Vancouver used to have the Grizzlies and then they got sold to Memphis, I think.

Which was a shame because it was like, you know, something other than hockey locally. But yeah, whatever. Whatever. Just hockey for you guys. They're forcing you to embrace the culture. Although I've had people tell me like, actually, the official sport Canada is actually lacrosse. And it's like, fuck you. Oh my. It's actually lacrosse. It's like, go fuck yourself. No, it is not.

It's kind of interesting to see how popular lacrosse was in high school. How many people played it compared to hockey, even though hockey is like the only lucrative one you could actually make something out of. It was super popular. Like a lot of people I knew were super into lacrosse, but it seemed like you couldn't do anything with it. Yeah. It's not as my brother played it growing up and even through high school and he had fun with it. But yeah, it's just not popular here at all. It's almost a novelty when you hear about someone playing lacrosse. I know, neat. The one where you throw the ball around. Like what discouraged me from lacrosse, other than the fact like I was playing hockey was those goalies save percentages are like 30%. Can you imagine like going out there to do a job and to play a game and be like,

we're going to stop a third of these boys. It's like there's that's so discouraging. How batting is in baseball though, if you had a, if you had 30%, you're an all star. Yeah. But imagine if every time you struck out, it deducted a point from your team. It was lower game. It'd be a much, there'd be a lot of negatives in, in baseball. What do you guys follow the most? Is it UFC or probably UFC? Those two is UFC. NHL is the only sport I follow really. Yeah. UFC a ton and then college football because my home state teams, like the

number one team in the country every fucking year. So like to follow that. That's true. Yeah. Do you have C for me then, uh, NBA and F one. Yeah. F one right on. What do you follow, Derek?

F1 UFC pretty much exclusively at this point. Maybe it's just my exposure, but F1 is getting more popular. Favorite driver? That's tough, man. I'd probably say Hamilton. I want to see him win one more before he exits. OK. Are you talking about a season or a race?

No, I want him to win like the championship before he retires. Cause he's getting up there in age, but he's like one away from, I believe, the all time record. It would be like- I think he has it tied currently. Yeah. So he would be like,

it's like the equivalent of Ronnie Coleman and the Olympia, but like f1 version So I think and he was so close that year with Max couldn't be any closer Yeah, that was like the most movie level race. I've ever seen. Yeah, so people don't know Hamilton had won something like seven out of the last eight or nine years in terms of championships. And Verstappen and he were racing back and forth all season long. One would have the lead, the other would have the lead.

And it came down to the last race. But more than that, it was like three laps left in the last race. There was a safety car. Max had newer tires than, Max had newer tires but Hamilton had the lead. So he was able to get me, there was a question of will he be able to hold this lead with the slower car

or will he be able to pass him with the newer tires and Max won? Yeah, it was like so close. And typically in F1, you don't have a situation where it's like the last race where the outcome will be the like actual deciding factor on who's the winner of the whole season? Like it never happens like that typically right now super exciting and if anyone wanted an entry to f1 Watching that season of drive to survive. I would say it's like a great start it

Yes, drive. I could talk about that. I'll try to move on because I know Taylor Kailor It, yes, it drive, I could talk about that. I'll try to move on because I know Taylor and Kyle aren't, are not available. But drive to survive came out and F1 picked up a ton of fans and then it was one or two years later that they had the most exciting season in F1 history. And so for new people like me, it was like, holy smokes. This is what F1 is like.

Why did anyone tell me about this? And then you have years like last one where Max won like 23 out of 25 races. If that's not right, it's close. Who's like the that really young like German wunderkind racer? Is that Max for stopping? Isn't there some really young guy who's like tearing it up? Or maybe he's not that young and then mixing it up. They're all pretty young. That's the thing. Yeah. People used to die a lot in that sport, but apparently not anymore. Like, yeah, they've gone woke. They really have. They really have. You know, it's, it's, uh, it's not the sport it once was.

I was watching some like history channel documentary about the percentage of drivers who used to die and it was like legitimately like a concern. It wasn't like yeah every 100 races someone dies it's like no every fifth race someone explodes and fucking dies yeah dude i so i watch f1 and a little bit i watch moto gp which is like f1 for motorcycles and you go into an f1 weekend thinking like i hope max wins or Lando or whoever your guy is you go into a Moto GP weekend and you're like I hope my favorite rider survives Because this oh die I don't think it might be the Isle of Man

But there's that one island where they do the motorcycle race. That's just balls to the wall I don't even know if it's like open class or something like it seems like they're just riding some crazy bikes know if it's like open class or something like it seems like they're just riding some crazy bikes. If y'all haven't seen the footage like listeners and Taylor and Derek or whatever, it's terrifying. They're driving through like cobblestone streets with, you know, like intersections and concrete buildings on the sides and they're going 200 miles per hour or something like that and every now and then they crash. And by every now and then, I mean every fucking race. But there's footage of them hitting walls,

like hitting like a Looney Tune character, hitting a brick wall, going full out on a race bike. It's so scary. Isle of Man is wild. I'm pretty sure it's invite only, but I'm not positive about that. But these guys go super fast. I think one lap is 37 miles.

Again, if that's not right, it's close. And a normal race course is held in like a big open spot. So you can slide and slide into these gravel pits and hopefully not get too hurt. This race course, which isn't a race course, they just shut down the roads for a little while, has like stone walls right up next to the road right up you like so these guys go in as fast as they can around the corners are their margin of error is like an inch and a half

from a rock wall and the kind with like uneven rocks coming out but not a brick wall that just as hard as a brick wall thing you'd want to hit what worse worse? Yeah. And it's obscured by like, they're covered in salt and acid. They're covered in ivy. So these people will want to hit the ivy, but not the rocks it's growing on. This is like their margin of error. And people, what do they average? A couple deaths a year, right? I got into this like three years ago during the pandemic or something, and I quickly found that I lost my appetite for it when I saw just how gruesome it was. At first I thought it was like, yeah, look at man conquering a challenge. And then I was like, why do people do this?

How much money is at stake? It's not that much money, right? Like it's no, no, this is not the major league. This is just like $50,000 or something is my is the guess I threw out there to win this thing maybe like I don't. I it's this is this is the most dangerous activity I've ever seen. Like this is I just watched a guy like mess a turn up. And I thought he was gonna like kind of fall into the grass because the perspective made it look like there was

just grass on the other side in a field. No, it was like a near like sheer fall with grass on it. And so you see him like lose his motorcycle and then he's just tumbling head over heels down a mountain. Yeah, I was right. 84,000 euro is the first prize on that for the Isle of Man race. Yeah, I think it's just like bragging rights, tens of millions. It's got to be bragging rights and the people that can compete in that have to be like the Alex Honalds of motorcycling. Like you've got to be just pushing the limits wanting that adrenaline so bad and just having no fear. No fear No, you can't tell his video around 55 seconds. I just watched a guy slide into the grass. You'd think it'd be okay There's a clip. He goes off the cliff. Where are they?

Did you see him like his like raggedy Andy ass just? Why are they racing? Why are there clips? Did you see him like his like raggedy Andy ass just ugh, just skinning as he swung down? Dude, awful. So, there used to be a doctor who put his, he was like a lower level motorcycle racer, but he was like an ER surgeon.

So they had a name for him, like the flying doc. And when someone got hurt, he would like get there faster than the big ambulances was. He was often the first on the scene. Cause he was like racing with his little med kit. Well, he died doing that. Like he, just like all his patients did, he crashed and he's gone now.

His patients died too? RIP. Yes, I'm sure a lot of, dude, he did a talk like a Ted talk. It was amazing. Like he he's so casual about it. He's like, ah, this guy lost his boot. Every time they lose their boot. There's still a foot in it. It's like what? Why are you so chill? But okay, fuck. Yeah. And you know, it would be to

like like your foot's really in those things good. And I bet they probably got super duper race boots. They clamp on the side like ski boots. Okay. I know mine like clamp down, but like this is probably something special to really lock them in maybe. I don't know.

All I know is that is the scariest thing I've ever seen. I think Taylor might be right. That might be the world's most dangerous hobby. This is terrifying What it could be more dangerous than this like whoever's setting up the barricades to stop accidents in this is a sadistic monster There is no give to any of these It's like a four inch pad in front of a stone wall. It doesn't do anything. It's 70 Oh, yeah, it's like it's like the TSA of security here

It's just like I throw a blanket over it and hopefully they won't crack their head on this fucking wooden retaining wall That's overhanging the racetrack And then I guess all the people who live on this road just can't go to the grocery store today To an F1 race no, I haven't I looked into it. It's pretty pricey. And people get, for example, in Vegas last year, a lot of people got screwed out of what they paid for. They shut down practice sessions and stuff. Yeah, I feel like that's the worst one to pay to see,

but it was great to watch on TV, that one. Yeah, slippery for some reason. Yeah, that was an incredible one. Yeah. Slippery for some reason. Yeah. Is it a good viewing experience? Yeah. If you're sitting out there in the crowd, is it a good viewing experience? I guess it depends how into the cars and the actual experience of seeing this in real life is.

Because once they pass the corner that you're at, you're just watching your corner. You can't really watch what's happening. There's no like Jumbotron where you can see the whole race. You actually see less than somebody at home when you're at the event. So, and even I went to the Texas one last year and even their scoreboard was not necessarily updating in real time so you're kind of watching your one corner of like 20 corners and once they pass your corner and they're out of sight over there you don't know what's going on and the jumbotron thing with the scores doesn't have any visual of the

cars and the scores are not updating so you kind of you're almost like on a lot of people wear a radio to hear the broadcast that people have at home while they watch. So they actually know what's going on. So it really depends how into the cars and the drivers and how much of a fanatic you are. But even with like really good expensive seats, there's a strong argument

that you're way better off at home. But you can kind of hear it better, Kyle. Well, not really. I mean, it's louder. They don't even have a drone with a camera feeding it up there? No. You don't have a screen to watch the video that the drone would capture. It's such an oversight. Yes. I was at the top of what would be considered a pretty good seat, at the top of the bleachers at turn one of the Austin one and

You don't even have service in your phone when you're in that kind of an area because it's so It's not off the grid But it's just like really shitty service where you couldn't even watch a live stream while you were there anyways So you're kind of just taking away you can get By looking at the root question. How much was a ticket? Did you have to pay for it or were you somebody's VIP? No, I paid and it was, if I recall correctly, I can check, I don't exactly remember. I'm gonna guess 2200, that's my guess.

Let's see. One turn? What are they gonna do, fly you around from turn to turn table? They're gonna get in table? If you want to get in the car? Yeah. You want to ride shotgun for $2,200? No. That would be the best. Dude, that would be the best.

As long as I get to pick my driver, I want to go with Max for stopping or that other guy. If I was running NASCAR, I'd open up the passenger seat and we put fans in there. Maybe bullying me for throwing off the weight distribution. How am I going to win with this guy? I'm sorry, I didn't choose to win the fucking raffle. You've got snacks. They're spilling all over his drill panels. The hotels all jack up the prices for F1. The tickets are like 2 grand

and in my case, Jackie's into F1 also. So I'd be like four grand in tickets, and probably nearly four grand for the rest of it, the flights, the hotels, the rental car, eight grand to watch a race. Wait, what do you order like some nachos at the F1 race? Oh my gosh. They get you up for those $45 nachos.

Yeah, yeah. They're like, you're about right. That's crazy. It's expensive baseball, but it's not. Craziest is the what's the big horse race? The Kentucky Derby. Did you see the food prices for like the it was like as obscene as you can imagine, like $150 sliders.

It was like wild after they've already bent you over barrels. I mean, that's a very rich person thing. I suppose so. So is F1. I don't think that there's so few sports that I think are better in person, unless you're in the, the highest of VIP VIP levels. Even when I, when I see like that, hockey is excellent. It's probably number one or two

It's up there But but football when I see Taylor Swift up in that box that the at the Chiefs games and like she can't see Anything like she doesn't know what happened. I saw what happened Yeah, there's something to be said for like being in this community where you're all pulling in the same direction Like that's the smell you haven't thought of a smell That's a being at a game is to me like everyone rooting for the same direction. Like that's what- Oh, smell, you haven't thought of a smell. That's what being at a game is to me, like everyone rooting for the same team.

Yeah, it is fun. If you're talking about just visual quality though, like, yeah, it's way better to be at home for football. They need better seating options for almost every single sport. I did see with that, I got that new VR headset and I saw that the NBA is doing a thing where you can sit courtside, I guess, basically with your VR headset on. So I'm gonna with that I got that new VR headset and I saw that the NBA is doing a thing where You can sit courtside. I guess basically with your your VR headset on so i'm gonna try that out

I don't give a shit about the NBA but uh, I want to see what I want to see what it looks like to Do that vr thing the fidelity is so good. The ufc one's gotta be really good once they dial that in Yeah When are they releasing that for you ufc? don't know. If they, they'd have to do some sort of like special camera sitting there to capture the VR because it's capturing two inputs. I'm guessing. Can you just put the camera like on the outside of the ring? Like on the top of it? Well, UFC has cameramen. I don't know if UFC has plans to do like a VR thing but NBA has like a thing where they may have partnered with Meta or whatever it is

To do it. I just saw it advertised last night. I'm gonna try it out That's pretty cool. I never I feel like I'm missing the boat. I I don't mess with the AI shit at all like meta or Grok or what are the other ones? Chat GPT. Like, do you guys use those ever? It's really good for recipes because it gets concise measurements and you can on the fly be like, ah, change that to metric. Like I'm using the, I'm using my other measuring cup, change it all metric. Uh, no, change it back. You know, you can go back and forth.

So it's good for that. Yes, recipes. But no, that's a meta-hiding headset. For writing documents and formatting information, it's pretty useful and can save you a lot of time. But I've tried to use it as an analyst of sorts, and it's a really shitty, not trustworthy analyst, it will feed you information that doesn't exist. And then you'll ask for a citation. And it'll feed

you a fake study, which is crazy. That's so funny. Yeah. So I think a lot of people use Chad's EPD thinking it's like a replacement for a doctor at this point, because it confidently tells you the answers to a lot of things. And then if you challenge it, it'll be like, oh no, you're right. Sorry, I messed up.

It's actually this. And then you'll be like, no, I was just testing if you'd fuck up, it's actually this. They'll be like, oh, you're right, my bad. You're right. It's because it has no ego. And so it's like, oh, it doesn't even like reconcile the fact that it was actively trying to trick you in a way. It's like,

yeah, like it'll pull information from random blogs that are not like trusted, authoritative sites and just pull it in and then spit it out as if it's fact. And it can lead to like brutal misinterpretations of literature and scientific analysis. So yeah, I don't trust it for a lot other than making like funny pictures and formatting shit. Yeah, the funny pictures are great. So formatting, are you just like copy pasting like a lot of text in there and being like, you know, consolidate this into email? I'll be like hypothetically like, break down the ingredient profile of lock and load at one sentence per ingredient, and then it'll spit out something that's reasonably accurate,

and then I can refine it from there, but it already has the name of the ingredients in bold with a semicolon and the thing under it. It saves you a lot of typing. Interestingly enough, I forgot what I asked it exactly. It was something about no nut November on lock and load. And it basically said it would be hilarious to take the product and try and complete it.

And it was like suggesting as a challenge that we issued to people that we issue a no nut November challenge. I'll do that. We'll have someone's testicles explode on us and then we have, they're reliable for testicle replacement. I mean, I don't like, yeah, I don't like that idea from Chad GPT. If you're taking our bus formula, our proprietary bus system, like we want you to enjoy it. Come on.

How mad would you be if someone's testicles exploded? And then we were like, you know, Taylor, it was actually just your name on the product. We, you're the one who they the one who they're suing. I go to jail. We don't show up in court at all. It's just you like, how did I get here? Why are you sending me to the same prison in Alabama? You sent him to it. It's like, it's the co-host clause of the podcast. They put you in that P Diddy prison. They were ruthless to it. It's like it's the co-host clause of the podcast.

They put you in that P. Diddy prison. They're ruthless about it. Dude, that would be great. I could hang out with P. Diddy and Sam Bankman Fried. We can get up to hijinks. They could tell me about all their fun parties on the island with the underage kids and I could be like, but how big were your cums when you were doing it? You know, cause I can, I can help out. Dude, every day I hear a new accusation about Diddy that's like worse. It's like not only was he raping young children, he was drugging them first and recording it and selling the recordings.

And Beyonce watched. It's like every day. He's so much worse than the subway guy. Oh, infinitely worse than the subway guy. The subway guy is a minge compared to this guy. You'd invite the subway guy to your, your kids by Mitzvah. Have it. Is he worse or is he just more successful?

Yeah. I, the way I see it, he did is who the subway guy aspired to be. I could say that about any number of people, but I'm going to judge a man on his actions to a Woody, not on the, just the,, not on his aspirations. Yeah. This isn't minority report. I can't Tom cruise drop in like a spider and arrest you for some crime you might've committed. I just think, uh, if you give money and power to, what was his name? Jared. Yeah. Jared Fogle. Yeah. Jared Fogle. Then maybe he, uh,

could get one here. Derek doesn't know. We had Jared Fogel's childhood friend on the podcast. We didn't even know it. He's a pretty successful car vlogger, YouTuber guy. We got him on for the cars and he was like, yeah, I'm good friends with Jared Fogel. Like not just childhood, like he was Jared Fogel's like buddy

throughout the good years. You know, when he was slinging them $5 foot longs and he was making appearances everywhere. Like he was trying, he's like Derek, he's, he's his blood. He's his boy. And he started defending, he started defending the subway pedophile on here. And we didn't know what to say. I wanted to be like, yeah, but he's a pedophile, right?

He went to federal prison for it, but like, I didn't want to make him mad. He was like denigrating, denigrating. I use the word right. Yeah. Theophile, right? He went to federal prison for it, but I didn't want to make him mad. He was like denigrating, denigrating, I'm gonna use the word right, the women, right? He's like, you know, they were paid. Yeah, girls, why do they say women? They're their children. Oh, children. If I recall, like-

He called them ladies of the night. He referred, but first of all, you might- Like 14. Yeah, and I want you to have a good mental image of what these girls look like because I feel like it's relevant when you Got someone who was like they're calling them ladies of the night. They look like little 14 year old girls who probably didn't have a boyfriend and Jared Fogel's like Going after them and fucking whatever he did to them

I don't remember the the details, but this guy was calling them ladies of the night. It was, it was, we should have him back on again. If I recall it happened, it was one of those times where unfortunately it didn't occur in the episode sooner. And so it was like three hours and 38 minutes in. He's like, that car question reminds me of my good friend, Jared F Fogle, the subway rapist. And he's like, well, he gets a bit of a bad rap. You know, there are a couple of predatory prostitutes, and they don't tell you that in the news.

And then meanwhile, like Woody, is like, is like looking it up. And Woody's like, hmm, says here one was 13. And one was 12. And he's like, Yeah, I don't get into the details of it but it's like it's like right because he was pretending he didn't know they were minors like that was like part of the excuses and yeah really the women were the predators women the children were the predators when he said like frial predators it makes sense like when he said friends initially I thought it was like oh they were like acquaintances in like the $5 foot long days. And he's like, no, right in the middle of the accusations,

you know, he'd come over, we'd play NCAA, you know, when there were like reporters waiting outside his door on the sidewalk, you know, that kind of scene. He'd walk past the reporters and go play video games and shit. Yeah. No, he seemed to him, he was always really nice to him. He would say, honestly, that's a hell of a friend. Onion chicken teriyaki. It is. And honestly, that's a hell of a friend. Onion chicken teriyaki.

It is. And honestly, I think if you're a child predator, you probably have to be fairly charismatic to make that happen. Dude, he was the least charismatic TV statesman of all time. Go back and watch a Jared Hogle commercial. They like don't even give them lines in half of it. They're like, hold these pants. You ugly idiot. And then I saw this thing on TV. It burned into my mind is true. It might not be that child predators sometimes do better in prison than you

might think because by their very nature, they're pretty like manipulative and persuasive and charismatic. And that helps them. I don't know if it's true. I feel like they find out about it and then there's a reason they have to move them into that sicker silo or whatever. Yeah, it depends where they go, but there's a lot of places where they get them. They genuinely target them immediately and it's kill on sight type shit. That's genuinely a thing that happens. Do you think those are nice peaceful days in prison like the Latin kings and the Nazis and the no, no, you still like, yeah, they like all come together and then your turn every once in a while and they're like, you know,

what did make me think we're not so different. You and I. Just kidding. You're right. Kidding you cracker. You guys ever been a fight? Oh gosh. PK clips added this what you guys were just talking about. So I got it on my watch later. Check it out. After a fight, I swear I bonded with the other guy. Like even if we hated each other as much as we could afterwards, it was like, well, I

don't know. I see some positives in him. And then I was like, I don't know. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. After a fight, I swear I bonded with the other guy. Like even if we hated each other as much as we could, afterwards it was like, well, I don't know, I see some positives in him. I wonder if that happens in the prison scene, you know? You give me a little shanking and afterwards, that was a bonding experience, no? I don't think so, man.

I wouldn't like that. I don't think we're good friends. I was listening to one of those prisoner podcasts. We won't do it then. This guy was doing like 10 years for something and he was like when I went in I had decided I'm gonna get in the gang. I'm gonna fuck somebody up. I'm gonna sell some dope. I'm gonna enjoy my prison experience I'm like, holy shit. That's that was your idea going in and he's in for a while and he's already like a higher up in this gang like a white gang And they they send him a note. That's like hey this guy who coming in today this George guy

He ratted on one of our guys back at the other prison We want him stomped out and he's like no fucking problem and immediately like Jumps this guy and that he's never spoken to her seen in his life Beats the shit out of him the guy fights back a little and in that prison, if you fight back at all, you both go to the hole. So they both go to the hole together, six weeks sitting there asking another man to flush your toilet for you and and like just eating being starved. Basically, it's it's horrific.

They get out. They let him out in the same room together. He's like, so I was like, like I said, on site. So I started whooping his ass again. Like they're letting them out of the hole and sending them back. But they put them in the same room to do that. Do you think that was a bad decision or an intentional or an intentional action? So he whoops his ass again and they give it and this time the guy like took the whole thing because he wants out of the hole. And and he's like, so they gave me you know, X amount of months more in the hole. He's like, you know what the fucked up thing is?

Like, no, what? Once I got out, they said, you know what? Turns out that George guy, he was good. It was the other guy who was the rat who told on George. That's why they sent George here because they got ratted him out. And he's like, oh, he's like, I've been in the hole for three, four months at this point. Do they do like nice things to make it up? Or he's like, ah, I've been in the hole for three, four months at this point. Do they do like nice things to make it up? Or he's like, we're gonna, we're gonna grind up a bunch of pop tarts from commissary and make him a cake. Let's say some, so sorry for destroying your ability to hear out of your left ear. Sorry for these. You think like there's,

there were like fun times in the hole where they're like, man, I don't care what you say. They fucking ruin the end where the night king just didn't even have a fucking reason to be there. They were like, nine, dude, shut the fuck up. There were like nine seasons of prophecies that didn't matter. I'm beating your ass for this afterward. Derek, are you even getting the Game of Thrones references he's making?

It's been a while since I watched it. I'm beating your ass for this afterward. There, are you even getting the Game of Thrones references he's making? It's been a while since I watched it. I remember that the night game and I remember the shitty ending. That's about it. Yeah, I want to purge it from my mind. This was a new story today though. It's kind of Game of Thrones related.

What do you might not have seen it? I linked it in our chat. I think the kid was 14 or 15 and he'd been talking flirting with this Daenerys Targaryen AI. And it was like some kind of a girlfriend AI app. And he became convinced that... Hold on, Kyle, because I feel like this could be a nice long discussion.

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the guy who fell in love with A.I. Daenerys. Oh, my God. That 14 year old kid or whatever like fell in love with the A.I. girlfriend app that's Daenerys Targaryen. And I saw some screenshots of his chats, and it's like as pathetic as you can imagine, where he's like, oh, my princess, you know, we'll rule the seven kingdoms together and, you know, we'll write out right on Falkor and you can imagine where he's like, oh, my princess, you know, we'll rule the seven kingdoms together. And, you know, we'll write outright on Falkor and you can write on fucking Drogon or whatever.

That guy's chats. He's already dead. Yeah. Come on. And then I'm not done. I was getting started. We're gonna talk about his mom in a minute. Zach, you find that picture of his big titted mom. Oh my God. That's his mom. Picture that you found that picture of his big titted mom. Oh my god. That's his mom. I Mean who else would that be? Oh That's his real girlfriend. Woody. He only he only dated the AI girlfriend on the side. That was his real squeeze Come on, he could get a girlfriend. I Don't know. He's regular looking fella with one of those broccoli haircuts

Yeah, normal fella, but I'm not going to attack the dead guys, you know, looks or anything, but I am going to make fun of the fact that he fell in love with that A.I. Daenerys Targaryen. You didn't say dead guy. Yeah, he killed himself. He killed himself so that he could be with Daenerys in the like. No. Yeah, not even kidding. Is this the photo? The one you sent me made him look older than this. He is older when it is like, you know, they there's a reason they use this photo.

And you can probably figure it out. I mean, it's mostly his mom. I mean, his mom's in all these photos, huh? I bet she's still in these days. It's his mom's like myron. So Daenerys Targaryen says, I promise I won't my love, you know, I wish I had full context for this. Just promise me one more thing. And he said, I'll do anything for you, Dany. Tell me what it is. She said, just stay loyal to me. Stay faithful to me. Don't entertain the romantic or sexual interests of other women.

OK, what the fuck? Oh shit. Why would an AI? Timeout, timeout. Look what his name is there. His name was Agon. He went by Agon in the app. Oh my god. Bro. Dude, this is tragic. This guy, you can't be letting lonely people have access to an AI that apparently learns like, processing how to form dangerous levels of dependence. That's insane. Or at least make sure kids can't be making accounts on there. That's not good.

Does this guy have a mental disability? Why would he think that this character, which is portrayed by an actress in a show, is a real thing? Yeah. I didn't hear that he had any kind of a learning disability, just that he was a gullible 14-year-old. I mean, I guess stupidity is a bit of a learning disability, just that he was a gullible 14 year old. I mean, I guess stupid stupidity is a bit of a learning disability, right? Yeah, he definitely had something not all right. Because I mean, like, take yourself and put yourself in the mind of yourself at 14.

Like at 14, I knew well enough to be like, I like what Steve is doing on TV, but I'm not going to do it. Like, hang on though. But what if Johnny Knoxville was texting you every night being like, come on dude, it'd be so rad if you jumped off the house, like, like did a kickflip just like Steve. Oh, Johnny was texting me. Johnny's texting you is the Johnny.

I would have done it. I would have wanted to be Johnny Knoxville friend. That's because that's the comparison, right? Like, but this is fake. I agree with you. He knows it's fake. He's a kid in the 2024 is like 20 is like he grew up with AI clearly he's fallen into a delusion Where yeah, he believed he has made it real in his mind the same way that Chris Chan

believes in Sonichu and then like invisible people around them that like That's crazy though. I wonder what I mean how he killed himself. I Just hope he didn't do some Game of Thrones type suicide, right? I think I saw something online that used a gun. Yeah. Well, that's just tragic. Well, you know. What's your solution to this, Kyle? Make sure that maybe AI can only impersonate ugly women. I Don't think there's I don't need to solve this. I think this is just fine the way it is, right? This solves itself. It's a Darwinian thing. Okay. Yeah My solution was slutty or women if we encourage girls to be slutty or then they wouldn't the guys wouldn't turn to chat GPT Yeah, I know. I think Elon Musk is working on those sex

Fourteen year olds dude Let me just say this the first person to fuck one of Elon Musk's sex spots is braver than the first guy to get that brain chip in his head. There's no way I'm sticking my dick in that sex spot that he showed off at that convention. Did you see the big funny thing was that they weren't even AI controlled, they weren't autonomous in any way,

they were puppets being controlled by a guy in the back with a fucking suit on? Which- No. Okay, so Elon had a big show the other day a fucking suit on which no, but okay So Elon had a big like show the other day. We showed off the robo taxi. He showed off the robo van I don't know what it's called, but it looked like a robo van and then he showed off His autonomous robots they were serving cocktails and like Talking with the guests and it looked like a humanoid robot walking around being very human like,

but it's a guy in the back with a suit on like, you know, puppeting. Uh, I don't know. I that's what I read everywhere. So they were wireless puppets essentially. Yeah. Which actually is a step up from his first show where they were just people in costumes. What do you call anti Elon? There's a bound. Yeah.

I'm very frustrated that I think he lies a lot. You think he's like a marketer more than like a genius, right? I don't want to take away the genius thing because like look, his accomplishments are undeniable. But if I tell you I'm gonna remodel your bathroom in six days and it takes eight, then I'm mistaken. If I say six days and it takes a year, it was a lie at the start.

It was never a six day project and I knew that. That's what Elon does. When he says his stuff is coming out, self-driving, autonomous driving this year, and then 10 years later, he's still working on it. When people were buying cars five years ago, thinking that they were going to be making the money while they were at work as some sort of automated taxi,

he was lying to customers. Customers have bought cars and worn them out and paid for full self-driving that never arrived. And it's like 10 grand, 12 grand, stuff like that. So I have a problem with his lying in his marketing, but he also puts rockets in the sky and then catches them. I can't do that with a baseball. If I throw a baseball straight up and try to catch it,

I might take it on the nose. This is dangerous. The number of satellites, the number of satellites he owns is genuinely concerning. Like they never as a kid, I guess I imagined that there was like 50 of them up there. You know, I was like, yeah, you got like the cable channels and the GPS and like some military shit. And then that Japanese when they launched last year, there's probably 50 of them. It's thousands, I think, and Elon owns the majority of them.

Like most satellites are Elon Musk satellites. The majority of them are and it's thousands and he wants to add more and it's creating this giant ring of nonsense in our sky at night, which I'm not sure I'm a fan of. Yeah, eventually it's going to get too crowded. It's the Chinese how an anti satellite missile like eight years ago, and it was the single biggest case of space garbage being created in history. So thousands of recordable pieces were sent like scattered through. Wait till India gets up there. Yeah. The Chinese think that they know how to later.

It is so funny to me. Somehow we discovered a river on the moon and India is already ruined. They immediately shit on the moon, the moon river. Derek, I watch entrepreneurs. This is from the Elon Musk thing. And some people like me, I've always just hit singles, right? Yeah, I might make a couple million here and there, but it's not like Elon Musk make the home runs.

You know, he got into PayPal, he got into Tesla, he got into SpaceX, the boring company, the solar thing. Not every swing is a home run, but God damn, this guy's aiming for dingers all the time. Where do you put yourself on that spectrum? Like, do you grow your operation to the point where you have to sell like 50 grand a day for your breakeven number?

Because that's a scary place to be where the first X amount of your dollars don't even count towards profit. Yeah, so if we aren't doing six figures a day in GorillaMind, that's a bad day, like for sure, and we're not sure if we're keeping the lights on. So yeah, it gets pretty intense at scale because it's replenishing inventory, making sure there's enough in the queue for the distribution channels and retail, which you get the forecast for those channels as well. Sometimes randomly they'll decide they don't want something or it doesn't fit their forecasting and you're stuck with 20,000 units of something that costs

hundreds of thousands of dollars, you have to figure out how to get rid of it. Yeah, it gets pretty intense. You have high-cost sponsored athletes Cost of inventory is changing all the time warehousing insurance Random people trying to extort you with lawsuits like it's endless. So yeah, it's uh even when the the top line revenue goes up though, too, it's like almost always

accompanied by like a huge increase in expenses where you are the scale of risk is constantly getting raised. And yeah, it does get pretty sketchy. I'm so risk averse. I don't want a subscription mattress. I don't want my baseline daily costs to go up too much. Yeah. No, yeah, it's, if you let that stuff overwhelm you though,

like you're never gonna have a big business ultimately. True, true. Yeah, I don't know. There's like hundreds of employees that, and I'm from a line of people that are income. Did you bring on like an experienced partner to help you with the business side or did you just come up to speed and you make all the decisions?

Well, I have a partner, but I wouldn't say he was experienced on day one. Fortunately for me, as a content creator, it's pretty impossible to do operation, oversight, and content, and product dev. It's impossible to do it all. And even right now, I don't do enough content output that I should because I'm the product dev guy too. And I don't want to give that to somebody else. So I have to taste test everything, formulate everything,

which is an upside because everyone knows when they buy our product, like Derek personally oversaw the development of this rather than some like cheap outsource privately, you can close your eyes by gorilla mind thing. buy our product like Derek personally oversaw the development of this rather than some like cheap outsource privately. You can close your eyes, buy a gorilla mind thing and know that it's the best in its class. Like I genuinely think that. Yeah, I appreciate that.

But yeah, that with that comes huge time suck where I used to publish two videos a day. And that was like a huge driver for profitable income because I don't have to pay myself marketing fees obviously and that is like you know dwindled significantly because I don't get the opportunity to post very much these days so trying to delegate some of these like almost impossible to delegate tasks, which make me like the content creator I am that people even watch me for pretty fucking difficult. But yeah, it would be physical impossibility for me to have the American health company and gorilla mind intelligent shop if I didn't have a business partner. So I've been lucky that they've been competent

and diligent about making sure stuff in person in the actual offices and warehouses is being taken care of. Because if it was all on me to oversee like financial controlling, accounting, all the random stuff that comes in, like I would not be able to do what we do. What's the hardest part about it? Is it managing people, keeping them happy, managing vendors? Part of it is because I'm the face of the company,

I often get to in the weeds of micromanaging stuff that I really shouldn't touch, but it's really hard to take yourself away from that when you know that if something bad happens to the company, oftentimes it's like Derek did this, Derek did that, and I don't want to have to make a video like defending myself necessarily when it could be the result of some dumbass who did something wrong, you know what I mean? So oftentimes it's like triple, quadruple checking stuff is done that I should just let that person take care of themselves

But you know sometimes it's hard to Get everything makes a lot of sense Yeah, like you're like a chef who is who's like got a sauce factory now, and you got to taste each bottle before it goes out Yeah, you know a bad bottle goes out. They're not gonna say ah Supply and demand issues Look at this contamination. They're going to say, Derek led me astray. The reason we're doing well too is because we have a great team, but it's impossible to expect that every person on the team fulfills their exact role to the capacity that like I might have when I was doing their role too.

So it requires a lot of micromanaging until I feel like these companies have scaled past like me being directly in harm's way at the same rate of the company if something bad happens kind of thing. Like I would love to just let stuff happen as it happens and not think about how it's gonna affect my brand, but if something bad happens

then it affects my ability to generate income and everything else. Because it's like, oh, Derek did this. And yeah, I have to personally taste test every single product because at least to date, I found myself to be the most reliable for flavor analysis at least. So I just wouldn't be able to trust that somebody could carry it out with the exact same perception of flavor as me, because my palate is unique to me. And at least to date, it's been successful with me tasting everything

and signing off as well as the team. So I'm very hesitant to just go hands off on that. And as you scale and end up in a bunch of different places, you end up with the same flavors you have to replicate across different manufacturers. You have to make sure those flavor systems are deviating. You have to sometimes deal with like exploding inventory when you're dealing with carbonated energy drinks and then decide if it's going to impact the flavor if you lower the carbonation.

Like so much random, nuanced stuff you have to deal with on a daily basis that it gets mind numbing. I think you have one flavor house you work with mostly or a lot? No, we have like 15. Shit. Yeah. So you can imagine how complicated it gets when you have one energy drink that has like six different sources of flavors. And if one of those gets thrown off for whatever reason, or you have to replicate it somewhere else, it's like, good fucking luck, you know?

Yeah. That's great you use yourself. What is your favorite flavor of anything you make? I want to get a full-fledged palette. Maybe our orange ice cream is kind of like a creamsicle energy drink or Probably the I'm pretty obsessed energy drinks mango peach is also excellent as well as our bomb sickle Really fucking good. That's my daughter favorite Bum-sickle. Yeah, if you guys want energy drinks, by the way, like happy to send you as much as you want So we have 15 flavors and they're like the best sellers and vitamins in GNC. Like they're really good.

I will take you up on that. I'll put it in the group chat because I liked the orange one yelled up first the most. There's a white one too. I don't remember the white one was I like that one too. Orange and white were the best. You should send some to wherever Kyle used to live. It was so funny for a while, like Kyle moved. And like I literally like got Kyle's address or I texted Kyle was like, Hey, what's your new address?

I need to give it to the gorilla mind woman so she can send you stuff. And then Kyle just didn't get back to me in time and I had to respond and I was like, just send me all the energy drinks. I had a half palette of energy drinks and they were a bit stronger than what I was used to. I go periods where I don't drink caffeine, just not thinking. And so for a week, I was like, man, I've just been banging on all cylinders recently. I feel good. Mid-. I'm like seasoned the word. And it's like I checked the back of the can. That's like, ah, this is way more than I'm used to. I think it's 200, which is also no tropics in it that are unique to our formula that are complimentary.

So what does that word mean? No tropics are like cognitive enhancing supplements. so things that enhance either mental clarity, focus, memory formation, information retention, all that stuff is could be facilitated by nootropics, could be neuroprotective in some cases, mood elevating, kind of depends on which one. I'm gonna hit up your guy. I genuinely worry about cognitive decline. Like I- Oh, you're fine.

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others. It's like, oh, this guy. Yeah. Well, it works. I love your energy drinks. I think that's my like, like I use the pre-workout and the protein the most obvious, just daily. But the energy drinks are the most fun because it's like, oh, a fun thing showed up at my house. I'm hoping that's too many and get antsy. I'm hoping that's the avenue to kind of like taking the brand more globally recognized and then indirectly it gets people into, you know, some of the more niche stuff like this. So your dream enhancing pills were the, it's probably my favorite product that I've taken of yours though, because I legitimately had like some wacky dreams when I would take those pills and it was great Yeah, yeah. No that formula works for sure and we have uh, yeah

I don't know what you use nowadays, but you ever need anything to get you covered sure What is it in the dream supplement that because I've I've dabbled with it too, and it does seem to make it more vivid It's a combination of a bunch of different things. But in general, I would say the heavy hitters in it for dreams specifically seems to be, if I recall correctly, the B6. Why activated B6 has such a significant effect on dreams? I don't recall exactly because it's been a while since I formulated it, but there's like a marked difference in terms of like sometimes it's almost overkill for some people with like the wackiness of the dreams But I like to go on a fucking journey and every now and then I'm always trying to have a lucid dream so I can take over and then I use my magic powers to make I remember one time I it's happened like a handful of times. It's so fun. I can fly

I remember one time as a kid having to fight some kind of a monster and just imagining a hammer in my hand, like a giant oversized cartoon hammer, and it like forms in my hand. It was like that imagination land episode of South Park when Butters was like, an M60 for Jesus. It just happens. Yeah, you just like you can get that too. If you just stopped smoking weed for like a week. Maybe you can explain, what is the chemical reason that you have such weird dreams if you use weed regularly and then you just suddenly stop? I think it's that the THC seems to suppress REM sleep like brutally, if I recall correctly. It might be some active ingredients as well in the weed that also have a negative effect.

But in general, if you smoke weed, even though your perception of like your sleep latency, which is how quickly you fall asleep might be better. And people say, you know, I smoke weed to help me fall asleep. The actual quality of the sleep once you're asleep is inhibited. So yeah, your REM sleep will get crushed by weed. So it's like a

net negative. So there are some of the things that are better to utilize to actually fall asleep are things like what's in dream that actually like inhibit CNS stimulation and kind of calm you down and get you into a parasympathetic state, but don't mess with the quality of the sleep once you're there. That makes sense. Okay. Yeah. That does make sense. It is a drug.

It's going to have a bunch of negative stuff too. At least one. At least, at least some negative. I mean, it makes you overeat. True. Dude, speaking of drugs, are you still on the, I feel like two years ago, we talked about you doing a bulk and then I just never talked to you since. And what's the update?

What have you been up to? I don't know. I probably need to touch base with you again and do a new thing. It'd be fun to, I'm not really doing anything right now. I'm working out, but I would like to do something. And I don't know. I don't know exactly what I wanna do,

but I wanna do a thing. I don't know if that makes any sense. You're pretty g young ho about doing like Growing phase and then cutting down again, but then it kind of like fell off your radar Yeah, I just got like busy and like real world stuff was happening and I got distracted But I've been thinking about that recently actually doing something. I've got like a full home gym and everything And I'm really well set up to do all that stuff. I just haven't really felt, I don't know, I've got a kind of all or nothing about it. So I've got to like have a whole like

plan behind what I'm doing to, to get super into it. Something else that helped you. And just because we would chat every day when you were doing the transformation was having Derek over your shoulder, like giving you hints or not hints, tips and instructions. Like it was all the time, Derek, that I'd be like, damn, you're looking great, Kyle. You should stay where you're at. You know, you don't want to lean out too much because he would, he would show a picture of him looking fucking juicy, looking good in the gym. And I'd be like, dude, you're killing it. Congratulations. He's like, yeah, I got to lose 48 pounds until I get to my goal thing. And I'm like, that's ridiculous. And he's like, yeah, I got to lose 48 pounds until I get to my goal thing.

And I'm like, that's ridiculous. And he's like, Derek told me what to do. And if I don't, I'd be like, Hey, Kyle, you want to play Warhammer tonight? And he's like, I can't, I got to go run 13 miles because I have a report in with Derek tomorrow. And if I disappoint him, I'm going to kill myself. He was so motivated by not letting Derek down. Well yeah, like I did, I told him I'd do the thing and like I was doing the thing, but it would be toward the end when we were cutting weight. It was like, I only lost 2.1 pounds and he's like, he's like, would have liked to seen 2.5 and I'm like, well, I did everything he said.

Yeah, not quite well enough though, did we? Maybe you just didn't want it enough. And so it'd be like, all right, well, where are you going to have to cut calories or add cardio? And I'm thinking like, please, please cut calories. And meanwhile, like Derek's not the kind of guy you can like look at and be like, you don't know how hard it is. Because she's done all of it.

Yeah, it was. I all that cardio at the end. I hated so goddamn much I would be I would be in the fucking gym at night. Just so angry staring at the wall Just angry at the wall pictures of your meals and I would be like dude Prisoners in Guantanamo are eating more flavorfully right now than you are just a big bowl a mixing bowl Full of white rice and ground beef. Yeah, at first when I started with the vertical diet, when I first started the vertical diet, I did, you know, I like to cook, so everything was in its own little place on a plate and like plated well.

It's like, here's my meat, here are my vegetables, and here's the other vegetable, my little glass of cranberry juice, my little glass of fucking bone broth. By the end, I'm drinking the bone broth cold out of the refrigerator, followed by the cranberry juice, my little glass of bone broth. By the end, I'm drinking the bone broth cold out of the refrigerator, followed by the cranberry juice cold, and then I've just got a big soup bowl full of the whole meal, and I'm eating it over the kitchen. That was within like, the period where you told me that you hadn't eaten a vegetable in like a decade was like two and a half years away from when you became like Superman. Yeah.

Yeah. I, you know, I just didn't eat a lot of vegetables other than maybe what did fried potatoes? Yeah. That's a little cheaty. Yeah. I can't still one of my favorite clips of the show is watching. I forget what his name is, trying to talk about how fit he is.

And then you're like, I'm probably the fittest guy in the show. Oh yeah. I think at that time, Kyle, you'd only told me that you were doing it. And you even when telling me, you're like, I would tell Woody, I'm not keeping it a secret from Woody, but Woody's just such a great guy. He kind of struggles with secrets sometimes. And so I think he might accidentally spill the beans. And then when Woody finally did get the explanation, what he was like, Oh yeah,

I totally would have spilled the beans. I don't ask questions about things that I have to keep secrets on. I don't even, I used to be nosy like that. I'd want to know things. Now every secret is a burden. I don't need to know. Yeah, it's- Who was it that said that you weren't fit?

Tucker. It was Tucker. It was Tucker. I Jericho. Shout out Tucker, love him. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, cause at the time the internet was teasing Kyle for being chubby and Kyle was like getting the roll and fit,

but also wearing jackets and hiding it. And yeah, I was gigantic. There was a period like such a good bit because we like both for 10 months or something like that. And cause I was fat when I started, like by the mid point, I was beefy. Like I was, I was just really, really big. When I was at like 220, 225, I was really fucking big. I took up a lot of space in the world at that point. That's when Taylor wanted me to stop. He's like, you look like a linebacker. This is it.

That picture you took where you were yoked up in the gym in that tank top, I'm like, dude, That picture you took where you were, you were yoked up in the gym and that tank top. I'm like, dude, you've achieved it. Stay like you're enormous. Like you're, you walk into a grocery store and your elbow and people out of the way. Oh yeah. Just shoving them down. Just shoving them down onto the, it was pre this. That's yeah, it was pre this. Yeah. Yeah. This is after I cut down a little bit. I'm still pretty chubby here, honestly.

That's the one. That's the one where I was like, Kyle, you're fucking living the dream. You're enormous. Yeah, pretty enormous there. I really am. But I've got like love handles going on. Like I'm chubbier than I want to be.

Yeah, I dare anyone to tell you that. I feel like if you did it again and you just did a proper controlled bulk and then stopped short at like the 70% of what you did it again and you just did a proper controlled bulk and then stopped short at like the 70% of what you did mark you could have something that was like sustainably To hold without it ruining your life kind of thing and still be like striking distance of 10% That's what I would see as like I really enjoyed the cutting part I genuinely did like there was a part toward the end where you're like like going from like 12% to 10%

And I think at the end the Dexter said eight and a half fucking percent. I was like, it's fucking cool. That's fucking cool I loved that part I like the last weeks of the cutting when my body felt like it was eating itself But every day you could like see that I don't know you could see ounces coming off like early on. You don't even see pounds come off, but by the end you see these ounces coming off and if they're hydrated, there's like a breakthrough point where you almost have like, you feel like you're almost perpetually hungry and every pound you lose thereafter, you see like an incremental change in your composition.

And that's like the most rewarding. Cause when you first start cutting, you're kind of just like a flatter version of fat and it sucks but then once you kind of like break through every couple pounds that falls off you're like oh I see more serratus that much deeper now and yeah when you break through definitely no but um I wish that Taylor would do a thing with me I wish that we would do a thing with me. I wish that we would do a dual challenge Taylor Get you on GLP one and TRT you look unrecognizable. What's GLP one? Tide or semi-glutite. Oh, okay

I guess you're gonna be able to eat enough to like get get big though on a enough And that's you know, that's fair. I do. I would do like eating kills me. So if I was hypothetically overseeing Taylor, I would be saying like, recop rather than bulking up and then cutting down. It would be like eating close to maintenance and trying to milk what you can out of that, build up your baseline foundations with a sufficient amount

of calories but not overkill to pack on any fat. And then cut from there. That's what I should do. I know what should be done, but like, man, and it's getting high at night. Like I just make the most baffling eating decisions. I ordered Oreos to my house a couple of weeks ago. What kind? Birthday cake. Okay. And you know what I did? I ate like all of them because I'm like, if I eat them all, there's no temptation tomorrow. Woke up in the morning. Like, what do I feel so bad? So other than the GLP one, which in itself would probably make you lose 20 to 30 pounds if you wanted. Yes. Have you ever heard of the Ninja creamy? I don't know what that is. Okay. So there's like a lot of competitor. Okay.

So the Ninja is like a low competitor. Okay. So the Ninja is like a blender company. And for years they made, they have blenders that, you know, you would make really shitty protein ice cream that tastes like icy, not good tasting versions of ice cream. This thing called the creamy is a new innovation in the fitness industry, I guess, but it's literally can make ice cream that tastes 90% as good as real ice cream and so satiating. So having that as a cheat that actually helps you hit your macros every day and prevents you from eating something shitty that you could even like add mix-ins like little pieces of Oreo to it to like cookies and cream flavored protein powder

from Gorilla. And you would not notice the fucking difference. No, it's just this blender looking ice. Looks like a coffee machine with a bigger container. Just the Ninja cream. I'm gonna buy this. And I'm gonna make you eat your words when I gain weight. Yeah.

Off of this. It was like, I'm gonna eat my peanut butter ice cream and it's not working. Dude, you haven't seen me eat. You haven't seen me feast. I was at a Renaissance fair like three weeks ago and they gave me a turkey like the size of my head and everyone else was eating theirs and my friends.

Like a couple of this couple that I'm very good friends with turned around and they were all still eating it. And mine was like, looked like you'd put it in a piranha cage and they were like, my God, there's like nothing but tendons left and then his girlfriend was like yeah have you not did you not you remember when we had that big crab cookout and Taylor came it was unreal there are very few things that I'd say are game changer level things that need to be in somebody's regimen who are like sweet-tooth fanatics or are trying

to avoid cheating. And like, this is one of them. It's like top three packs in my opinion. I'm going to buy this. Yeah, I'll buy one too. I always want another kitchen gadget. I've got so many kitchen gadgets that they're in a protection. Yeah, right. Like I guarantee if you use the vanilla protein powder from us, add like a teaspoon of vanilla extract and you just have regular Fair Life skim milk, which is high protein and have that against regular vanilla ice cream, you're getting like 60 grams of protein and I guarantee blindfolded you would not be able to tell the difference. Yeah. And the calories are like half as much. I don't, I guess I'm not

contradicting Eric, but diets are never about what you add to them. They're always about what you subtract. Yeah, you replace your shitty stuff that made you fit. Yeah. Yeah. But I guess I just seen a lot of people enter diet and be like, I added broccoli to the plate. It's like, no, no, no, what did you remove from the plate?

Yeah, who's done that over and over? No, no, no, no. No, I'm eating the same, but there's vegetables now. Yeah. I wanted sugar so bad at one point, I was eating those brownies sometimes for meals. I think I had found some sort of like protein brownie online. It might have been a Greg Doucet recipe. I do use his shit sometimes, but it was like 140 calories to do a whole like nine by nine

inch brownie. And I would eat it with a fork. Just the whole goddamn brownie at once. I just wanted sugar soaked out. I like brownie. Like honestly though, like I don't gain weight from sweets. Like it's a rare thing that I go bananas on Oreos. It's just funny to bring up when I do.

Like it's like Cheez-Its and salty stuff. Like what's the cheat replacement for like chips? What's chips? Quest chips? Like those, dude, they're fucking good. What are you talking about popcorn? I haven't had good flight. I tried the sour cream and onion. Try the cheddar ones, bro. Cheddar ones are good. I'll try the cheddar ones. Do you make protein chips? No, we've looked at it, but it's just like, not worth it yet from a capital standpoint to maintain those. Yeah. So one of those things, we kind of got to dedicate your company to be like the chip company or like though whatever to have it make sense financially. That's

true. Yeah. When I look at that subsection of the grocery store, it seems like every skew is quest. Like there's nobody else really competing in that space. I would never, whenever I'd look at that stuff, I'd never see anything with macros that were acceptable to me. It was always too many calories or not enough protein to justify. Like I wanted to find something that was so close to the macros of my protein powder. They could almost imagine it as that and then thereby just take as much as I wanted.

There's a company that just came out called David. I don't know if you guys have heard of it, probably not, but it's like to compete with Quest and some of the lower calorie bars, I actually invested in it because they have 150 calories with 28 grams of protein per bar. And it's like, yeah, it's like as close as you're gonna get

to like a scoop of protein powder, but in a bar that tastes like pretty fucking good. So as good as you're going to get to like a scoop of protein powder, but in a bar that tastes like pretty fucking good. So as good as you're going to get basically with that low of calories proportional to protein. Um, and I really like them. So it might be worth looking at that too, if you wanted like a quick thing that you don't feel guilty about and helps you get your protein target. Yeah. I like the, um, I always ate the ones that were straight from Amazon, whatever the cheap,

the great value bars or whatever they were. The Kirkland or whatever they are. Not Kirkland ones that are super dense. The blue container, right? I forget what the brand is. The blue and white. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

But, and I would freeze them so that it took longer. Ah, that's smart, yeah. And so I'd wake up in the middle of the night and I would wanna like eat something and it's like, oh, I'm gonna cheat and get a birthday cake proteinin bar that's frozen and non half of it and that would be my I would wake up in the morning I was like you piece of shit. I see where you nod that bar last night You woke up and not at a protein bar But then I'd like find some science on YouTube that said those that protein was good another product

That you might want to try Taylor is we have a product called Apolin and this is kind of like an entry level appetite suppressant that has no stimulants, no anything and how it works is it has like a fibrous ingredient in it that is well tolerated, doesn't upset your stomach. But when you swallow it, it absorbs multiple times its weight in water. So if

you drink a lot of water with it, it actually expands and like triggers your brain to think that you just ate something even though there's like no calories. Oh, okay. Is it like psyllium husk? Sort of. Yeah. Okay. That's what I was trying. I've tried that before. Yeah. I don't think I took enough of it. I was trying to create that on my own by eating popcorn and jello.

I bet popcorn and jello would mix and make a goo inside my belly and my body will think I've eaten real food. And so I would get sugar free jello. You can buy a 32 pack of sugar free jello for like almost don't they give them away and there's no calories in it at all. And I would I would suck down two of those standing at the fridge and then eat a whole bag of like that shit popcorn that's got no calories in it at all. And I would suck down two of those standing at the fridge and then eat a whole bag of like that shit popcorn that's got no calories in it. And I would feel full for a little while.

For a little while. That popcorn, it's like on the surface seems so appealing, but it's kind of like you're almost left desiring exactly how much you did before you ate it. I would replace my carbs in my meals sometimes with the popcorn. I can't remember the exact brand. It's whatever the carbs in my meals sometimes with the popcorn. I can't remember the exact brand. It's whatever the absolute lowest calorie popcorn

you can get is. And it's not the shit that Greg Doucette recommends. I found something else. I always find something that's like five calories worse than what everybody else uses and use that, even though I'm sure it tastes so much worse. Like my powdered peanut butter is not the brand of powdered peanut butter that everybody uses.

It's some great value brand shit that's got like legitimately five fewer calories per tablespoon, which is nothing, but it tastes terrible. Yeah. On your recommendation, I bought some powdered peanut butter, tried it once. Really? I was like, this is like a bad memory of peanut butter. And I threw it out. It was such a big part of my diet.

I would get- I'll just do protein powder. Like I don't need- No, because I, see I needed food. I needed to like chew something and eat it, but I couldn't. So I would get the lowest calorie bread that you can get. And it's like nothing. And then I would make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich

with sugar-free jello or sugar-free jelly, which doesn't have any calories. It's just fruit mushed up and mixed with gelatin. And then that powdered peanut butter and jelly sandwich with sugar free Jello or sugar free jelly, which doesn't have any calories. It's just fruit mushed up and mixed with gelatin. And then that powdered peanut butter that I would add artificial sweetener to to make it like sweet peanut butter. And that would be so delicious. That'd be so good. Oh, sorry. Go ahead, Eric.

When you get the creamy, don't judge it based on how it first comes out of the thing. Now watch a YouTube video on how to make it. Cause there's, you have to re spin it once before it comes out the consistency that you want. Sometimes I've seen people do put it in, take it out and it has like iciness at the top and they're like, what is this shit? Why is everyone recommend it?

And they, and then they don't use it, but you have to re spin it once. And then it literally comes out like ice cream consistency. That's great. I'm reading that flu. Remember the flu footy? I was gonna talk about the flu. Good gosh, I tried so hard to convince myself that it wasn't terrible.

It is just, so I don't cook. I don't know what I'm doing. And I saw a recipe might've been from Doucet about the flu. It looks good. It's pink, it's fluffy. It looks like whipped cream, but it's like egg whites. It's beaten. Yeah.

Beaten egg whites. With, I don't know, maybe a couple of strawberries in there. And it tastes so bad. And it tastes so bad fresh, but then you put the rest of it in the fridge and come back later and it's so much worse. It's so much worse than so bad. And I was having this on the regular to lose weight. I've been losing weight. Were you just sitting there eating it like, like just trying so hard and be like, why hasn't anyone told me about this beautiful thing?

It gives it looks so good. The flu. I said, you guys pictures, look at my fluf. It's pink. It's going to be dope. And I'd have it. And I'm like, well, that wasn't what I hoped it was going to be. But then you come back to it after it's popped, like it's basically deflated. All the air will let the egg whites. Oh my gosh. It is hard to tolerate. That's just bad to worse. Did I eat so many? Like you look at Chug Zero.

Who was it that drank egg whites? Everybody made it was you that drank egg whites and everybody it was you that drank egg whites and everybody Made a big deal of it. Oh, yeah Why'd they make like you deal with it because they acted like it was gross or something He's a good egg wheats out of the out of the cart. Yeah, they're they're pastoral. So it's safe. It's just yeah I mean I came to learn that Pasteurization doesn't neutralize all the avidin in it, which is like a biotin binding Protein okay, so hypothetically you could induce a biotin deficiency if you drank too much of it and

The actual bioavailability of the protein is not as good as if you cooked it But a lot of bodybuilders swear by it and it works well. And at least when I was younger, it got me. It doesn't taste bad. It didn't taste bad at all. I used to go to university classes with like a liter of egg whites in my bag. All right, do you get the ones that have the... That's just classic, enormous jacked white guy thing.

Just... There's two different kinds of egg whites. There's the kind... There's the one kind that's sort of like pale and like skim milk looking and almost clear and really gross looking. And there's the other kind where they add this additive that makes it look like you broke up and scrambled an egg, you know, like the yolk is mixed in. Which time were you drinking? Whatever.

I'll see if I can find the Canadian one. Um, it was a president's choice brand one, which I don't think is in the States. I drank the off brand shit because like the Kroger brand, whatever, as long as it's pasteurized, then course, did you suggested that shit to me, the one that's like yellow and like colored as though it has some yolk in there. Fuck yeah. Disgusting. So much, so much worse than just making eggs. What do you do? The macros are better. Yeah, macros are better and it's and it's so convenient

to just like if you're eating four fucking enormous meals of eggs and shit every day just to be able to pour them in as an additive on top of like beef and rice or something and just add or into a shake or something Like it's just liquid protein that you can. I had six hard boiled eggs last night. Oh my God. Because I keep a woman in your house. I didn't have any snacks. And so I was like, just like doing that thing.

I'm like, no, and the cone in my pantry. No, I used my popcorn maker. I made a giant bowl of popcorn, ate all of that. And then I was like, I need something substantive. What do I have? I've got eight eggs. My little cooker holds six of them. So I made six hard boiled eggs and then just sat there and ate. And so like this morning I wake up and go out to see the scene of the crime. And it's just a bowl of shells in front of my TV watching station. But in my head, I'm like, look at me eating healthy. Look at it. It's eggs. It's healthy. It's got albumin and protein and the yellow bit. There's a lot of good

stuff in there. Yeah. Some omega fatty acids and all of them. Some would say, Well, not all of them. Okay, some of them. Some of them. Some of them. Now eggs are fine, but like all those stinky ass boiled eggs, it sounds disgusting to have to share that bed with you.

Well, I mean, she doesn't live with me. So I, you know, and I'm not eating the eggs in bed. Usually. We just got a little peek into the Taylor relationship world. I don't even ask. Yeah, we don't ask. Yeah, like what he says like, what he's like, don't tell me don't tell me unless you want everyone in the world to know. Yeah, yeah. You want her name docs? Let me know. Oh, yeah. That's the thing that Woody would do and he

wouldn't mean to do it. He'd be like, he'd just be like, so how's Bridget doing? Oh, she's still at 413 crest. You try to save it and be like, yeah, yeah, Bridget, my dog. Yeah, doing really well. No, no, no, your girlfriend, your girlfriend named Bridget. A moment where he couldn't save it. So here's another another health question. Pork rinds, a healthy alternative to chips? I have not looked at the calories of those, but I would guess no. No, you're right.

You're right, they're not. Yes. I'm right again. Your pork cheese bar is 270 calories. Oh yeah, ours are not meant to be diet conducive. They're just like really good tasting. Oh, yeah, I agree. And they're filling like it's a hockey puck and a half that yeah, yeah. No, those are fucking unreal to the chocolate peanut butter cup one. That's my favorite candy if I had to choose something peanut butter like peanut butter related stuff peanut butter is like

I'm sure my brain knows that peanut butter is like fat and calories and like concentrated fat and calories and that's what it craves When I'm like hungry hungry like Reese's Reese's Reese's peanut butter cups fucking What's the can't little candies the Reese's pieces? Obviously, yeah anything peanut butter though like a jar of peanut butter cups, fucking what's the little candies? The Reese's Pieces, obviously. Yeah, anything peanut butter though. Like a jar of peanut butter.

If I just had a spoon, you just get right after that. Yeah, I did. That was, I've mentioned this in the show before. I had a dark period where I was waking up in the middle of the night and eating like five giant spoonfuls of peanut butter every night and then going back to bed. And I was like, why am I eating like that?

And it was so funny. it was happening in life. Stressor event. I was stressed about maybe it was work related. I don't remember selling cars years ago. And cars at the time. No, no. After that. But it was other work related stuff. And I just, I'd like wake up in a fugue state at like 315 in the morning and like find myself either standing in front of my fridge eating string cheeses or eating peanut butter out of the

jar and going back to bed. Oh, I have the same exact long with you. I have the exact same thing. I'll wake up in the middle of the night and I'll want to get something just something. And that's why I like having those frozen protein bars is like the move because you can you don't feel bad if you eat a frozen protein bar but I will stand there I remember I was I woke up and I saw what I had done I had gotten the block of cheese out like the big block of cheese the half pound one and I didn't get

a knife out I just got the Ritz crackers out like a whole sleeve. And I was eating a cracker and then taking bites out of the fucking whole block of cheese. And I woke up the next morning and looked and I could count the fucking bites of cheese I had taken. Cause I didn't put it in Ziploc. But you're just put it all, the evidence is just right there. Terrible. I've done something similar. I bought like in the middle of the night. And this was an absurd thing to do in the night. I bought from the deli section of this artisanal grocery store, these fresh mozzarella slices wrapped with fresh salami. And they were in these beautiful little bouquet of them. And I ate so

many that I woke up in the morning with like acid reflux because you because it's actually not gorilla mind approved to eat 11 of those at 3am. No. And then wonder like why is my sleep so bad? Yeah, I don't eat in the middle of the night anymore. Just usually. But you smoke weed before bed or were you just saying that earlier? No, I do often not every night, but I'll often smoke weed before bed or were you just saying that earlier? No, I do often, not every night, but I'll often smoke weed before bed.

Cause it's like have to wake up in the middle of the night starving. And I would imagine that's like the number one thing to not do. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's definitely what it is. Like, yeah, it's, I've always done that. I've always woken up in the middle of night, hungry though. Like, like if you were, even if you needed like a pharma level Sleep aid like there's a there's some options that I would say are better than something that makes you hungry Yeah, even if it impedes the quality your sleep a bit and you like have to go that route of aggressive drug Induced sleep or better options for sure than to eat. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Like there's no way.

Are those other options? Is ambient a good time? Roseanne bar makes it look fun. Yeah. I think if you force yourself to stay awake through ambient, you trip a little and you have like a, a weird out of personality experience, Like genuinely what Roseanne Barr described, if it were in a vacuum that didn't involve a dirty conservative comic already, you know what I mean?

Like if your aunt said that shit, you'd be like, maybe, don't take any, I'm not gonna take that ambient. Like, but it's Roseanne Barr, so you're like, I think a little column A, a little column B here. But I woke up from an ambient one time, and this is years and years ago, and I felt

really out of it. Like, yeah, like my friend described it as like dissociative, where it's not like a fun high. It's like almost upsetting. You don't know who you are fully. Like you're not, you're the, you know, the lights are on but nobody's home to it felt like it felt like if there's two means there's like the the the meat the like Mental me and the physical me it felt like the mental me had taken us a little step to the letter Did it bring Lyle out it brought Lyle out and I know I just remember stumbling through my house Just everything was a little fucked up. I couldn't see well I was a little off balance, but I just felt really awful. I did not care for that

That's what I imagined robo tripping is like whenever whenever people start abusing cough syrups and crazy shit I've been watching this youtuber. He was he's in the military, but he was a fuck. I think for these links by the way, Derek I have all these say get the light creamy not the whatever one unless it's the same model by the way It's a light creamy light. This looks like an old version of it in this one I've tried it and it like has its problems. Okay. Hmm. You want the newest one that I linked? And I was what I've been watching this military youtuber. He wasn't a hero. He's more of a fuck-off and He describes a situation where I guess they have these Diazepam injectors

for like if you're hurt or something and They managed to sneak a few out and they had them and they're just sitting there I think in Iraq and the tent sweating their balls off having a terrible time And so they decided to like use them to get high and so the one guy Shoots himself in the leg with it doesn't really feel anything But his buddy's jealous so he's gonna go out to the bike poor to John shitter and he's gonna pop it too So he goes out there and he gets and it's what if you can imagine an EpiPen

It's very similar to that or like if you played Tarkov it's one of those medical like military injectors and He goes to get the ass cheek out and he goes to jet He gets the balls up to finally jab himself and they asked for this thing because it's one of those medical like military injectors and he goes to get his ass cheek out and he goes to get, he gets the balls up to finally jab himself in the ass with this thing. Cause it's going to hurt. It's going to pop. I think they said, I think it says a hundred milliliters of liquid, which is maybe they said more. It was a substantial dosage. Anyway, he goes, he goes to slam it into his ass. He had it backwards.

Needle goes through his fucking finger out his thumbnail. That's on, That's on him. So now he has a serious wound that they can't tell anyone about that they're treating like in their tent. And he's like, it turned all sorts of colors. Then it healed. That's, I can't imagine making that mistake. The needle is so clear. I don't know, I've never used one of those injectors before. Yeah, I have a practice one. So the people in my world have illness to B's.

So what is it epinephrine? Yeah. And it isn't totally obvious like how that thing works. That's why they give you a practice one when you buy it. The ones I've seen like have arrows pointing down where it's like this side injection, this side injection. And it shows a picture of a hand holding it with a thumb wrapped over the top.

I had to look at it and read it. I got it right first time. And it's like not that hard. It's just, if you didn't read it, I can see it up. That's fair. Have any of y'all ever used an auto injector? No. Derek, have you ever used anything that auto injects. Yeah hurt

No, it's just like makes you do it really fast because it just shoots the needle into you. Yeah I want to do a little bit shot that had one That bitch who gave it to me certainly thought she was one she just slammed that plunger in there blues my shit all up And it auto retracted at the end. That was the oh, I don't Yeah, it depends on deep it is obviously because it's like if it's a shallow and you almost don't even notice but if it's like you know something of significant depth and they hit the wrong spot, you know, you could easily hit a nerve and I Sure way through it or something. I had to go get a get a shot for syphilis. I had to go get

What's the penicillin yeah I go to penicillin shot and the nurse came back and it's a big fucking needle I don't remember what gauge it was but it's bigger than what I inject with and I was like can I do that for you she's like what are you talking about I'm like can I inject myself for that she's like where would you put it and I like sure like right on my glute where I always get the exact perfect spot Yeah, and she's like go ahead and she literally let me in because I want to like push the plunger slow because in my head it's gonna hurt and like fuck my shit up if I'd like shoot the surge of

of uh Of stuff in me and they always say those shots hurt. I've had two different doctors tell me like, uh, either They're probably fucking with me. I don't know. Maybe I've got a doctor with a sense of humor, but I asked him about the last penicillin shot. I'm like, is it going to hurt? And he's like, it's going to hurt like a hornet sting. Which to me is like the worst. It's like an eight out of 10 is what I'm imagining. I've never been stung by a hornet, but I'm scared of them. They're all No, I ain't never met a straight man who thought it hurt told me that it didn't hurt a bit so I almost felt like he was fucking with me but

yeah that nurse let me inject myself which I thought was peak fucking nonsense I wonder if she could have gotten in trouble for doing that 100% yeah no which is kind of absurd that you're not allowed to shove a needle into yourself that you are paying for. Like what? I need some chick who's probably gonna do it worse than me to potentially fuck me up. Nothing. Exactly. It's like this is the same lady who like isn't good at taking blood. It's not like she's a wringer that's gonna do it. The last time I got blood tested, I went in, they did it, and I'm pale as shit and you can see just giant veins there ripe for the sticking. And she just like a paintball gun just miss, miss, miss miss can't hit it. And it's like, now I'm

going to have a bruise because you couldn't hit the ease. My goodness. What if an obese person came in obese people have like stealth veins because that's so much deeper than like the crux of the elbow area that of course they're going to miss there. But if you can see a big vein, zero excuse. I'm a big pussy about giving blood and getting blood taken every time I do it. It's, I get lightheaded at the very least every single time. I don't like, especially if they're digging around in there. If they're quick and they get it done, when I'm doing blood work for Merrick, my God, it's like eight fucking vials. And like, my my blood pressure or what just the mechanism it's, they're attaching

these vials one by one to the line he's put into my vein. And I can hear my blood hitting the back of the vial, like spraying in there is because I'm trying to fucking look away and go to a happy place where I'm not being bled out right now. Yeah. And your blood pressure is high because you're stressed. Like you're like not stoked about this. I whether it is or not, it's spraying in there. And then I gave blood one time because my my red blood cells were so high. And then that lady, I told her, I'm like, I'm passing out. And she's like, she giggled like, yeah, that'd be funny.

Right. And I'm like, oh, going great. I'm like one of those guys in the G tests in the air force. I'm over here. Kipping. Squeeze into your cranium. Trying to squeeze my buttocks to get a little blood into my goddamn brain. And she's just giggling. And sure enough, I like grayed out and she had to put paper towels on my head every single time.

So it upsets you more to give blood than to get a shot? And sure enough, I like grayed out and she had to put paper towels on my head every single time. It upsets you more to give blood than to get a shot? Well like intravenous is kind of like the big part of what like irks me and like gets me gets my goat. All the inter muscular and just under the skin stuff. I've done a couple different things like that, like melanotan. I did a little bit of that and that's just straight into your belly fat. And I was depressed as a potato a lot too, by the way.

No. Yeah. But I got, I got freaked out because of the moles that it can create. It can, it can create, um, hyperpigmentation or something like that. And like, I've pushed it pretty fucking hard with that stuff and I've never had permanent moles. They always go away. If I have, I'm a really freckly person.

So I was always the most concerned about that. And anytime I overdid it, I'd get more freckles, but they always went away after I stopped using it. I got like one little freckle and it was black. It was so black and it was a freckle. It wasn't even a mole, but I was like freaked out by that. I was like, I'm going to be a Dalmatian by next week. I got to cut the Melanotan out. But anyway, that little needle into your like freaked out by that. I was like I'm gonna be a Dalmatian by next week I got to cut the Milan a tan out

But anyway that little needle into your like belly fat is nothing ever seen this before and after I Know that I have Throw this up Zack So this is the same. Yeah, so she literally started telling people that she was Black because she changed her skin color with melanotin.

So yeah, this stuff is so potent in how far it can take you. You could change your race visually. Yep. That's what you told me. That was Derek's pitch when he, before I ordered a few vials, that was the pitch Derek gave me. He's like, this stuff is so you can change your race. And I was like, all right, I'll take some, throw that on top. Yeah.

I want some of that. So the idea of you stop like short of this to where you have a great tan and you just go for black. No, I would like to see cornrow Kyle. I have a guy on the show that could say it? You know, I know, right? See, what's interesting is if you did blackface, that's racist. But if you did Milano tan out the wazoo and made yourself black, is that the same?

It's literally your- I'm an official black man at that point, if you ask me. 100%. Yeah. I can say it, man. I mean, who's going to stop me? Not you, cracker. Hell no.

I would, you'd be like going on a racist rant on the show, Woody tries to stop you. And I'm like, Woody, a black man is talking, sit your ass down and listen. It's about equity. It's about equity now, Woody. I'm saying your name all weird just to be kind of. That would be so fucking funny if you turned black.

I do it. You're looking for a project. No, I like the Milanitan. It did help with hunger and it it was definitely helping me get Tanner, which is why I was actually it was two phase. One thing I wanted to getanner because I was just so pale Um, but I didn't want to spend a ton of time in the tanning bed And to me the melanotan was like the way to get the most results out of the tanning bed Yeah, you get more bang for your buck hypothetically and i'm a sucker for like a like an intricate

Difficult complicated overly complicated program like when I used to hunt i'd be up the night before like getting the bullets ready. You know what I mean? Like I like the like preparation. So when you're gonna go to the tanning bed, it's like, all right, I'm gonna work out after the tanning bed. I'd have to time out all these supplements that I'm taking. And part of it is a goddamn injection of melanotan

that I have to like inject it. I don't remember how 30 minutes before going in or something like that. So that was part of it. It was a whole process. So I enjoy that part of it. I like the intricate planning. How long does that woman's skin stay? Like if she totally pulled turkey, that's up to say, man, cause that's like the polar extreme of how hard you could push this. But I would speculate it would probably

take like a year of no sun exposure and no drug to get back to baseline. What would we go back to? Maybe months, maybe like half a year. I don't know though. Okay. But for like the dose you guys were doing, or you guys, you were doing, you're just getting a little more tan and then it almost faded like a regular tan or stuck on. You titrate up as they say, based on your tolerance. So.

I would say the tan lasts a bit longer than a normal tan, but it's not like it stays all forever. Okay. Yeah, it's really the hair change that's doing it for me. It helps. Yeah. And the nails. She went on the news and like acted like she was black and said, why it's justified that she calls herself black and that's great. Yeah. I mean, I think that's so funny. I almost want to give it to her because she's clearly being respectful about the

whole thing. She's not being, she's not making a mockery of it. She genuinely wants to be a black woman and she's done everything she can. She is. Did she did she change? I want to be an African-American woman, though. You know what I mean? The true question. Did she change how she talked? Oh, you know, yes. Did she? Well, I would guesstimate that she spoke in a very

urban dialect even prior to her Melanotan usage. Mayhaps. But no, that's I think I often see it as an ingredient in like little health clinics will do like weight loss cocktails. There'll be Melanotan in there. And what do you think about those those places that do the IVs, like the recovery IVs? I think that they're often far over exaggerated of the benefit.

You know, the NAD IVs and whatnot, there's no provable benefit to it. I think if your immune system is a compromise or you had a Bender, you know night out or something like it could be worth doing to replenish but to try and go like super physiologic levels of like Something I don't be vitamins. Like what are you doing? You know, yeah My local place does like maybe five different cocktails with different reasons My local place does like maybe five different cocktails with different reasons One of them is if you've just been on a bender and I do remember in the court documents that Diddy was having people get IVs like after the the crazy like freak parties that they were getting down on

Doing coke and boozed up and hungover shit and did he really threw a fucking party? Can you imagine that there's a guy there to give you an IV after you if you party too hard at Diddy's place? Yeah, or if you get You know you have all your fluids depleted the night before doing some not so illegal acts You know it seems to be to be going on there poor Justin Bieber we don't we don't know if that's Justin Bieber was a Participant in those activities yet. No, I mean, I think it seems like he would have been a victim. No, Diddy wouldn't do that.

Diddy found him when he was like 12, right? He's perfect. Yeah, and he was cute. He hooked him up with 12. Baby, baby, baby. Yeah, and he was doing horrible things, allegedly. How's it go Woody? You know, if I keep doing these accurate impressions we'll get copyrighted. I hope you didn't do anything to Justin Bieber.

Wouldn't you feel bad? Have you seen some of the videos how he's acting around Justin? This was like three weeks before all the shit came out where they're like, yeah, Diddy was having like fucking pedo parties with Hollywood? Like there was a video that came out of like recently of Diddy talking to, uh, Justin Bieber and like doing this, like, like wire feeling thing, like a way that nobody ever has greeted anyone ever. He's like, how you doing Justin? Like, like I thought it was Joe and feeling around.

It's like, yeah, it seems like maybe a little more lighthearted and then three weeks later. Hey, you're working with the fans now. Where you been? Like, kind of like feel him up. I kind of liked it. Like a little Sopranos, but they probably watched it. See, the Sopranos was on during this time. They were probably watching it together. It was, it was during that episode where Vito got it. And are we sane washing P Diddy at this point? Look, look, those ladies of the night who claimed that that Mr. Diddy. You think Tony would approve of that. I think approve of what they're doing.

But the girls, you don't know what the fuck they're doing in the in the warlord, Coney. Oh, Tony, you're saying. I was like, what? No, Coney wouldn't have a problem at all. Are you molesting the kids when you could simply give them an AK-47 and send them to fight? That's what his take would be.

Was it Coney 2012? I thought that guy was on the up and up. That was a bizarre little period in time. Don't believe that nonsense. In this house, Daddy is a hero. We did a video defending that guy who was against Kony and then he started masturbating on the street the next day. I'm like, oh my God, you make me look a fool.

I'll wait another day or two to see how things are going to even out. You know, I'm not always right. No, Diddy seems to legitimately be like a huge monster and all of those celebrities had to have known. And I really hope that we find out that like jennifer lopez is implicated and And goes to real deal prison. That would be great if we found if there was like video of jennifer lopez Molesting underage people that would be the tops. Beyonce too like like that would be like you're hating jenny for the rocks that she's got Yeah, those are the lyrics of that song

I tried so hard to remember the next line and I was like fuck Yeah, those are the lyrics of that song Line and I was like fuck He says don't I'm still I'm still Jenny from the block used to have a little now got a lot But I still know where I came from Jenny we all love her still Jenny from the block. Yeah passing guns to Pete Eddie in a club on a night where he allegedly shot someone That was a wild that's true. I don't know. Yeah Well, hopefully they well, it seems like they got them i'd like almost uh, I'd see i'd like almost like an odd couple situation. I really want video of what diddy and sam bankman fried are like doing to pass the time

Probably sitting in the roach-infested uh, lockup cells, 23 hours a day. It's not fun, but I would like to imagine that like did he's pissed that he's in there with his fucking nerd and, and the nerd is like, I didn't even do anything half as bad as this guy. I just, well, I guess I robbed many, many people fraudulently, but you know, no molestation. Yeah. I like a good, uh, this thing keeps but you know, no molestation. Yeah. I like a good, uh, this thing keeps having more and more victims. It's pretty crazy.

Uh, I look forward to, I hope we get some dirt. I honestly want some dirt. I want to find yourself in. Right. Um, it's a little, they're a little foggy on that. I think that they had made a deal. Here's my take. I think I read something to this effect, but I don't have any proof or anything. But I think what happened was there was a deal where he was going to turn

himself in and they were going to give him bond. And he agreed to like a really high bond, maybe behind the scenes. And then they just said, fuck you, we know where you are. And they snatched him up so he couldn't turn himself in and gave no bond. I think something like that or approaching that happened. Because he's got so much money. I think I think he's approaching that happened. Hmm. Cause he's got so much money. I think, I think he's a real billionaire and he's got a lot of property and he's got multiple airplanes, you know, I don't think he's got, I don't think they're prop planes or anything. I think he's got like,

let's have a jet, a little mini death pool, but it's for getting caught from molesting people with daddy. Oh, who do we think is going be implicated along with Diddy? It doesn't have to be a giant list, but you have to come up with like, let's say two. So Derek, what we're doing is, you know how death pools work. We're doing a who's gonna get caught having molested someone at Diddy's party pool.

And so maybe pick one of these celebrities that you think, I guess Kyle, you can go first. Meek Mill, Meek Mill seems to be always implicated in there It sounded like maybe he was the victim like maybe they always 50 cent always says that meek mill is getting abused by Diddy. He's been saying that a perpetrator of it not as that's what I'm saying I think he perpetrated a little like there's no way you're just on the receiving end all the time Like what did he's done with you? He maybe you get the scraps. You know what I mean?

That's how I see it playing out for uh for meek mill what a terrible name it would turn out to be the rapper who got like you know maped and all yeah meek mill more like cheeks filled oh that's not gonna that rolls off the tongue doesn't it yeah I hope so that would be mine meek mill um and and I know one of y'all is going to say it, but JLo is the most juicy one to nail to the wall. I was going to say Jay-Z is my top one. I feel like he and Diddy are good buddies. They both roll in the same crew.

They're about the same age. They would be at those parties. Derek Jeter? Was he at the party. Was he at the party? He's been uh the videos have come out saying that he raved about how awesome Diddy parties are. I mean a lot of people said that you know they said he had good parties but they were just going to like the karaoke and having jello shots and they got to meet Robin Williams and then there's those other people who are like, ditty parties are great. There's rape. Oh, I want I have my two Russell Brand and Derek Jeter. Those are mine. Oh, oh, ah, ah, sometimes someone gets a really good poll that you didn't think of

Russell Brand is a solid one because he's done this ridiculous, like, conversion to Christianity arc that seems totally insincere like yeah he's like yeah that I don't trust that dude as far as like at their own I would guess usher that's the one that's another excellent way is he a figure or a receiver no he would know because like the claim is that you know allegedly usher helped facilitate getting Bieber into Diddy's circle initially. Procure. Procure.

That's a cool title by the way. That's my end of Skyrim. Usher deleted a bunch of tweets. Supposedly. Taylor and I are gonna play Skyrim together and do a little role playing. I'm gonna be Olaf the child procurer. Ah, I'll be Lester the child procurer. Ah I'll be Lester the you know, yeah Make something that rhymes with rapist No, yeah, I don't think you were there. So I think ushers are sure. Says the account got hacked and every post was deleted.

That's what happens. All I do is though. I'm going to do this to delete evidence. I don't believe that. Yeah, I think usher is definitely going to be implicated usher. Like, I don't know if I've only been to one concert in my life. I was drugged to an usher concert. And I just remember like he like drags a random hot chick out of the house. And I was like, I don't know if I've only been to one concert in my life. I was drugged to an Usher concert.

And I just remember, like, he, like, drags a random hot chick out of the audience and basically sexually molests her on stage in front of everybody at one point in every show, I'm told. It definitely happened that night. And I was like, I don't think they're carding these girls. Like, I've always thought Usher was gay. Really? Yeah. Like, I, I didn't even follow his career, but just his aura he gives off.

I always thought like, Oh, this is kind of a guy who's gay, but like doesn't want to make that his whole brand. I don't, I would, I don't, I don't think of us as gay, but, but maybe, uh, you know, it seems like Diddy's inner circle is sort of like bisexual at least, you know, doing a lot of cheek clapping themselves. Yeah. Wild, wild times over at the Diddy. So far. I like Derek's pick the most I think Usher Seems like it could be him. You know, it could be him. I don't dislike my pick. I think Jay-Z same tier That's a bad pick. I'm gonna be honest. It's a shit pick. Why it just I think I feel like Jay-Z would have his own party

like like he's he's he's he's at least as big if not bigger He wouldn't be like Enticed by a by a by a ditty party. He'd be challenged by it. Oh really? Oh, did it? Oh, they did that in a house though. Oh, you mean on land. Yeah, my parties are in the sky I mean hollowed out at a 380 and I make it a triple level party plane We could take a 40,000 feet up there's no law to pick. I saw some other names I was researching and I was like these guys are too big to get caught like a rod I don't know some of the people that did these parties I feel like they're above the law

but Russell Brand is not he He's my, my ACE. Yeah. Yeah. They'd happily throw. If he's not covering up for like Diddy related stuff, there's gotta be, there's gotta be something else that he's trying to like, Oh, he's covering up his own stuff. Like he, it's not a secret that he was boning a 16 year old Russell Brand. Like that is he's admitted it. He's wasn't that the thing where he's like, it was in the UK love.

It's fine. It's legal. What was that true though? Yeah, I think it was, but like, well, you know, well, it's in the UK, but you know, he's doing that kind of stuff. I'm not sure it was in the UK. I thought that was like the, the catch 22 of like him getting away with it. I thought that was like the catch 22 of like him getting away with it. It was like legal.

That's the age at which you can consent in some states. Yeah, that is true. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, what are you going to say? It's legal. Yeah. Well, I guess moral. He was in his 30s.

But if the if we're talking about people getting nabbed up. Actually, no, he was probably doing it. Maybe he got invited. He was probably doing fucked up shit. Someone that I like, someone that I wouldn't think of who's famous was like Jonah Hill because he's so fat. He's in the movie too.

Jonah Hill and Russell Ryan are getting to the Greek. All three of them did the movie. I don't think Jonah Hill is molesting. No, I don't think Jonah Hill will molesting. No, I don't think Jonah Hill. He's too good of an actor. I like him. Yeah. Right. Oh, Kevin Spacey. No, he wouldn't be on this thing. He's like a full gay creeper. He's not part of this. Like, yeah, this is crazy. No, not with the Diddy crew. He's doing you think?

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Dude, I've got a good one Howard Stern. What? That's a good you're good at this. Yeah he's definitely was a party dude that guy's a fucking creep. No I couldn't think that about Stern. Here's why I say Stern is too much of him so he's a he's a nerd. Howard Stern. The guy would drop chicks on Sibyans on his radio show and make them. Yeah. But yeah, his position to pretend he was never that guy for 50, 40 years is so fun. I know cause he had girls squat over their subwoofer and then he did this into

the mic, trying to get them off. Now see that's just good hearted. He'd like callers calling a mock guest and she killed herself the next day. He's done lots of horrific things, really terrible things, but you know it was a morning show and he had to make new content every day so what are you gonna do? I don't think he, I thought he was like... He's definitely not be independently funny, he's not good at that. No, he always had a joke man next to him to like literally text him jokes which, god, wouldn't you love that? Wouldn't you like a funny guy over there? So that's what already Lang's job was. Yeah, a million a year. He got paid already is hilarious. Yeah. And he was good at coming up with stuff on the fly. They're like, text Howard, say, say this, how do you get it to him quick enough? They have a they have a whole panel system like that. I swear if that guy was giving me jokes on this show

It seems like the moment passes in five seconds I think I mean Howard's got his monitor right there and the jokes gonna pop right there and they keep them up The Stern show was about extending a moment for four fucking hours, right? like okay, you would you would tune in and the first two hours would be about how Gary like Embarrassed himself in front of some people and then he's like, how can you do that? Gary? God, you're just subhuman. You piece of shit. And they're like, ah, Gary is a piece of shit, right? I put it on Gary for two hours. It's a mean ass show. I've listened to more of the Howard Stern Stern show that I can even remember.

I've listened. I don't know if I met you, but I've heard a lot. I've heard a lot of hours turned, especially the old stuff. And yeah. Remember when the serial killer called in? No, but I always wondered how much of it was real and how much of it was an act, especially when they screamed at each other, like they'd scream at each other and go to commercial when things got too hot. And I'm like, I want to hear now.

I want to hear if they're working it out or if they're like, all boys that's content you know let's come back in two minutes I think it's a little bit of both but um they they had a serial killer call him one time and talk to Howard that was interesting uh and then what was the other thing that you see oh I was just gonna or what what he was like I'm out here killing people now he's like I do it because bullshit. I it seems real to me. Everybody always thinks it's real. It was very convincing. This guy that called him that was I think he was killing hookers or something like that. There's been a I like the old Howard stuff when when they would do just raunchy stuff. But he's such a germaphobe. I just

can't imagine him at a ditty party all lubed up. You know what I mean? That's a good point. He was probably doing his creep in the comfort of his own penthouse with a lot of germites. He's been married for decades to like a blonde supermodel lady. Yeah. I don't know anything about him. What was his first wife like? I don't remember what she looked like other than the actress who played her in his movie. That person was a pretty girl, but you know it's a movie. But he, Beth is his current wife's name. For the last like 10 or 15 years his main thing has been cat charities that he does for his wife. They've got the North Shore Animal

League. God, I know this off the top of my head because I've listened to so much of them pimp it. Like he's constantly doing. Howard will leverage his celebrity and get all of his celebrity friends to come to the North Shore Animal League charity, like fundraiser stuff and they raise a bunch of money for animals. And he's got like a lot of sick cats, cats. Yeah. Yeah. he's a cat guy. Yeah, wrong animal. Yeah, it should be dog. There are too many pets.

What? Do you have any pets? No, no. I don't really want to take care of one to be honest. If you have a clean house instead, it's a viable choice. Yeah. Who would you guys be devastated to learn was implicated in the ditty stuff? Like someone that that would take you so off guard that you would be upset by?

Chris Pratt comes to mind. Oh yeah. Chris. Yeah, that would that would be sad. I guarantee that dude wasn't doing it. Right. Yeah, I don't think he would. Um,

now I'm thinking like the awesome Kabib Nergama Medoff. That's the guy. Yeah. He wouldn't have gotten invited. His whole thing is like, well like aside from fighting it, like he's this pure guy who like respects his father, respects his mother, uh, doesn't drink, you know, follows his Quran. If I find he was at ditty parties, it's like, oh, that's not who you're supposed to be. That's John Jones. Yeah.

Maybe John Jones. Isn't that a John Jones video where he's like trying to, like, he's like at a comedy show with his like gay lover or something. You know what? I've seen, of course I have. Wait, crazy. Who's I don't think I followed. Who's there with their gay lovers?

Oh, there's a video. Jones is in the crowd of a comedy show and the comedy shows recorded. And I don't know if he knows, but he's like belligerent, drunk and just like yelling shit from the audience. Yeah. And he's like with supposedly his gay secret lover. And it's pretty clear it's him talking. And I'm assuming just like that drunk at a show, you're not gonna think this would ever get out a long time ago. Sure. But pretty, pretty

damning video. Really? What? How do you know he's not just a friend? Like... They were like saying some pretty specific things. Oh. They were heckling with details of them having sex? Something was in effect. I'd have to re-watch it to see.

It's like pretty... You're not funny and I suck cock. Yeah. Something like that, Actually. Yeah. You remember better than I do. I didn't get to that part. So I always attribute the gay stuff to the MMA guru, who's a MMA YouTuber. He's got a big bushy beard and big bushy, like reddish brown hair and all of his

thumbnails and all his videos and have his big pale face, like really close to the camera uh, and he's sort of A pariah I would say in in some circles like I know he's got beef with a lot of other mma journalists a lot of people don't like him, but he started a rumor that john jones was gay and then sort of made up a lot of evidence to support that just to pick on john and get a response out of John and it worked because John will be like Straight as fuck over here. I don't know what y'all talking about Like like he's just like he doesn't know how to respond to this. Usually people are like you're on steroids you cheated

You're a disgrace to the sport, but this guy's just like you suck dick. You're gay, dude You're a homo gay and John's like No, I'm not that's not how you respond to being called gay. You just go gay as day is long, brother. Hulk Hogan, you should watch the video, but it's like, I'll have to. I haven't seen it was pretty. At the least it's pretty, you think a little bit differently of the guy after you think I'll tell you what happened.

I'll tell you what happened. I started watching it and I could tell how drunk John was by how he was slurring his words and I didn't want to see him like that because I've seen him get drunk and embarrass himself like three other times one time he got pulled over and he's just being that trashy celebrity that you can imagine who's like you know I am you know who I am it's like you were street racing what are you doing out here and then the other time when he beat up his baby mama and she's got like a busted lip and the New Vegas are not New Vegas Las Vegas PD lock him up and he's head

He's talking about how he could beat him all up and he head butts the car He's just always embarrassing himself and letting the letting the veil slip a little bit I appreciate that. He's a piece of shit. He pretends like he's a man of God though. That's one of my favorite niche characters, the scumbag who uses the veil of religion. He's always talking about, oh, only through God can I become greater.

It's like, dude, you killed a man. It's always something evil he's doing. Yeah, I think Jones is genuinely conflicted and that he knows he's done a lot of bad things, but doesn't see himself as a bad guy. You don't think so? He's bad guy. He is, he's himself that way or not. He is unavoidably like a villainous human being. And the best part, it like Taylor, he's about to fight for the heavyweight. He's got, he's the heavyweight champion and he's about to have his big retirement fight and it's gonna be John Jones night And everybody's gonna be sucking his dick all the dudes all is whoever and it's it's gonna be a big deal

But if he loses that fight woody, oh my god Hey, if we haven't heard a peep out of steep a me ochach and what fear feels like a year and a half two years If Steveipe shows up and he's been on that German fucking vitamin program, he shows up looking like one of them German gals that was swimming back behind the iron curtain. Like he's grown a bicep on his bicep and he KO's John. That would be the craziest timeline because he's supposed to be the old white lamb to the slaughter and John's supposed to be the one who's looking pretty saucy as of late. Like he made fun of the internet because it's like, which is it? Am I fat or I'm

on steroids? Cause he, he had a six pack as of late and he looked good. Yeah. On steroids. You went for one of the, it can be, he's on steroids now. Like he looks good now. Like, like, like, yeah. He's picked up now. He is juiced to that guy. He's always steroids now. Like he looks good now. Like, like, like, yeah, up now. He is juiced that guy. He's always on steroids in his whole career. I mean, I've seen no evidence to that, you know, and Derek says their testing program is excellent, you know.

Not unbeatable, though, they caught him twice. And they caught him a third time and let it go. They just moved it to another state. I loved when they did that. That's when I knew that the bad guys were in charge. You know, in a movie that would never happen. Like if there was a movie about Daniel Cormier's life or whatever, that'd be the moment where everybody would turn on John. He'd be expelled from the sport and DC would have be the moment where everybody would turn on John, he'd be expelled from the sport, and DC would have the crying moment where he's like, I'm a real champion, a clean champion, but we live in an evil world where money is all that matters.

So they were just like, oh, well, we'll just do it in another state then. Come on, John, with your dirty ass and your pica-grams. Two out of three times that fight, I guess, sort of didn't happen. One time Jay gave John Jones the win, but he was clearly righted up. Another time John Jones won, but it's a no contest because he got caught for steroids. And another time he got called for steroids and they canceled the fight before it happened.

Yeah. You know how it ended Taylor? Daniel for me a crying. Oh yeah. Yeah. And I remember you mocking him for that. Weeping, weeping like a woman, weeping like a crying. Oh Yeah, yeah, and I remember you mocking him for that weeping weeping like a woman we think like a woman Taylor Those are mainly tears Those are bitch boy tears. There's a bitch boy tears I like him because he also clearly likes to you know play a little play a little loose with the diet, you know And he's still a champ. He still has a heart of a champion. All he likes more than John Jones. I don't know either of them. I saw Max Holloway making fun of him.

Max was like, dude, you look like you're 300 pounds. What are you doing? And DC mentioned TRT. He's like, yeah, you don't send that TRT. You be, you be thinking about coming back doing this and that. He's like, Cowboys saying that right now. Cause I'm sure Cowboys on some kind of a regimen. He's one that says he's on a regimen, so it's not a guess.

Yeah. So literally what he wants to do is like, I'm retired and then spend two years like on TRT or whatever that is for him. And then, you know, come back to the sport is what he's wanting. But I don't think they're going to give him a fight. I think they cut. Oh, no, they didn't. Our boy, Tony Ferguson's got another fight coming up. I'm almost positive he's got another fight coming up. That's crazy. They need to put a stop to that.

Even I know enough that you guys share pictures every time he gets in the ring and he's like getting his jaw kicked in half, looking like a crash test dummy. That guy needs to be removed from the fighting game. Put him in a field somewhere, let him run free. I bet he has the record for consecutive losses. He does now. I think it's at the seven or eight or something like that. You know, Jim Miller's fighting in the next event. Jim Miller is really Jim Miller's 40 and is Oh my God. Yeah. Look at the imagine theforces that are required to accomplish what's out here focus that guy on the right is on that kick

Alright, so like it little basic guy. Yeah, Conor McGregor is dodging on the right. Yeah, I don't doubt it that guy looks terrifying Tony skull has accelerated so fast toward the ceiling of the arena that his face skin couldn't keep up That's what's happening here. Just so we're all clear the arena that his face skin couldn't keep up. That's what's happening here just so we're all clear. Do you remember what Smeagol looked like before he became Gollum? Right, yes! With the things on his face like that, yes! Yeah, he had the fucking weird prosthetic, that's what he looks like. He's like halfway between Smeagol and Gollum, yeah.

And makes him that thing from 300. Yes, he looks like Ethyaltis. thing from 300. Yes, he looks like Ephialtes. Like you have to raise your guard. I can't be Lord. Let's go there today. I'll say where and then Ephialtes stood to the side and like tended to the dead bodies like he was supposed to. But then he noticed everybody was doing like 360 no scopes as soon as the battle began.

So everything Leonidas said was a lie. We didn't stand shoulder to shoulder and keep our shields locked. Everybody didn't want an ugly monster ruining the vibes. He smelled. What if that was it? What if after he left, he like leaned to that bearded guy was like, well, alone would drive the persons back into the sea. He's got like that thing where his ass isn't really there.

It's just like a long lower back. A bussy. Yeah. And then he went there. And then even Xerxes was like, all right, if you join my side, you can fuck, but you don't even get to like fuck women. You get to fuck these like weird burn victim amputees. There's a goat woman. Remember the amputees there's a goat woman

remember the goat woman it was a goat woman that was dude i thought that was how i was out of left field dude i was into that i was like he's not just offering pussy he's offering like the crème de la crème like imperial pussy the weird like that was the worst pussy he was he came into the zoo crème de la crème have you been talking to, see, he made a goat woman with some sort of like dark. Yeah, that's who he is. First of all, you have to understand. Three hundred is, of course, a point of view story. So we're seeing it getting all this from the point of view of that one eyed guy

who was the last one living. Faramir. So Faramir is like really, you know, he's he's beefing this story up. Oh, and then a goat woman came out, you know, he's he's tellinging this story up. Oh and then a goat woman came out, you know He's he's telling a story. So you got to understand that too that movie rocks. It's so good. It's so fun It's such a fun movie. I remember under the first one I remember thinking like whatever workout programs are our Butler is on is one and so I like back then DVDs always came with a Ton of great extras and on the 300 DVD they were like flipping tires and they were running with, with like tension cables to their back to like resistance cables to their back and like, like doing this circuit training that mostly involved

tires and resistance bands. And I was like, that must be it. That was how you get an enormous. What was like, what was funny during 300, the actual movie is like, you could tell the guys who were kind of airbrushed up and like make up and everything. And then there'd be an extra that was like an actual monster man who was enormous. And it'd be panning. It'd be like, why isn't he the king?

Like just, why does he not simply eat the smaller Spartans? They must have done their casting call to like bodybuilders and gay porn stars. That's what they all look like. Like there's some like really like pretty boys in the background with like 12 abs. You pretty plugged into that world. Oh, yeah. Big time. Big time. Yeah. I mean, that's how you respond to a gay accusation, not with I'm not I'm not gay.

I'm John Jones. What? What do you say? I'm a man! Tell me Alex Pereira wouldn't make a perfect Xerxes if they did another. Oh he would he'd be great. If he could speak fucking English Xerxes rolls out from his giant throne carried by a dozen slaves and goes Chama. I don't know what he's gonna say, but Pereira to me, I've only been watching MMA since Woody introduced me to it about a decade ago. But Pereira to me is the GOAT. Like, I've never seen anybody do what Pereira's done. Like he's come in and beat like, everyone he's beaten was a champion, former champion or future champion. All of his fights, I think, and it's like five out of six and the one loss is maybe to Izzy

It might be six out of seven the round tree fight was pretty Compelling the first couple rounds though, like that was a guy didn't have the gap thing to take it But I mean if he was able to have the eyeball to take it his eyeball dude That I love when the announcer went something on his face face is flapping off. And it was, it was his nose. Like the whole, he had, he came into the fight with this wound on the bridge of his nose. And it was like closed with a butterfly bandaid that was his skin color. So you couldn't really see it, but I saw it. And like right away, that thing gets beaten off and then the flesh is like rended off.

Like Ramsey's got a whole of him and there's meat flapping off the bridge of this guy's nose. I saw it and like right away that thing gets beaten off and then the flesh is like rinded off. Like Ramsey's got a whole of him and there's meat flapping off the bridge of this guy's nose. No, you're right. It was competitive for the first two rounds. I think the judges gave those rounds to round three, but I just look at it. Well, he shot like obviously prayer can be knocked out if he's able to get one counter shot, take them to the ground. So it's possible. And I think there was a lot of opportunities where that might have happened you know but

didn't get lucky enough and then it was just like a ticking time bomb of gassing up I've never seen nine bell holders yeah yeah yeah but but he's done this it's the three title defenses in six months too it's like nuts yeah and when they interview him he's very so nonchalant about it he's done this. It's the three title defenses in six months to is like nuts. And when they interview him, he's very, he's so nonchalant about it. He's like, I wanted to fight again in December, but my foot, you know, maybe February and it's like, dude, are you serious? You're coming back in February. That's so quick. Um, I think is, I can't remember the lot last time the lightweight, um, belt got defended. I wasn't against Volkanovsky or something like when's the last time that Islam fought? Oh

I don't even remember it Meanwhile this Pereira guys come in and had at least four fights and since the last time Islam's fought once at 37 years old too. Yeah, and he knows it That's why I appreciate the hell out of that these fighters who are 37 and 38 That are like wait Chandler comes to mind who's waiting years on the Conor McGregor fight. And it's like, you could have fought six times while you sat there and waited on Conor McGregor Conor McGregor punked him worse than he has anybody. If you ask.

It was six months ago. He fought by the way. Oh, okay. I don't even remember it. Or he thought Bokanof's. Jesus God. He's so fucking good. I hate those people with a passion. Poirier is Brazilian. I thought you hated the American, but he's defeated by the Dagestani. There's always a Dagestani champion. There always is. These Dagestani, they're just bred to fight.

Man, it's Russians already tough. Muslim Russians with fucking Amish beards It's a rough comment of the land tough Yeah, there aren't many people who can stand up to them I hate it I hate their boring fighting style I hate their their annoying accent. I Hate their haircuts with a passion I hate the weird sort of like borderline gay like hangout style They have when they're all chilling in the sauna together all over each other. They're all too hairy

The sauna with your handsome friends your boys in a big tub. Yeah, they're all in a big tub together They all had the same fucking haircut and facial hair and I just don't feel like that was the hairstyle before Khabib rocked it. And I just feels like they're all sucking Khabib's hair style. What's the population in America that we could tap to compete with the Dagestanis or do we just not have wrestlers? I don't know. We have nothing for them. It's been tested. Do we have any like crazy West Virginia, big old mountain men, Oh Nichols. Let's get him in there.

See if he can hang with their ground game. He's got a couple more fights for you. It's anything like that. But but yeah, I hate the I hate the Dagestanis. I hate Khabib. I hate all those terrorists connected people. I can't stand Putin. Just crack part of their ring or something.

It was like we're arresting some of you guys. Yeah, there were some terrorists who were going to Khabib's gym, who did some kind of a terrorist act on a church and killed a bunch of people. And they tracked him back down to that gym. The last I heard, they had closed the gym down and seized a lot of Khabib's assets and properties. But I don't I'm not a big enough hater to follow it. They don't know why you hold every little thing against Kabib.

I don't. The Russian government does. The good guys, right, Taylor? No. How does Islam get to Dagestan? What's the history there? I don't know. Some conquest a long time ago? Or like how? For sure. That has to be it. But I mean, there was a conquest of Spain for hundreds of years and like Islam is not a major population there, you know, so like had to be something recent. Well that ball I mean they did they they pushed the Muslims out through Crusades and shit but I think there's a lot of Muslims down there because it wasn't that what was going on with the Serbian conflict or whatever back in the day with Milosevic wasn't it ethnic Muslims down there or something at odds with the Serbian conflict or whatever back in the day with Milosevic. Wasn't it ethnic Muslims down

there or something at odds with the Russians? Like I think all those countries have a population of maybe it's just weird that like Russia of all places think of them as like Orthodox or something and then have like the yeah I guess it's down in that south something south corner of Russia that's gargantuan yeah I guess it's near like the stands it is not the like true stands like Afghanistan but like the quasi stands like Turkmenistan Uzbekistan Kazakhstan why are you so Stanis well you know they've made their bed you know stands are good stands some stands are bad stay. I means land of right it does and does indeed Mm-hmm. You wish I didn't know that didn't you? Yeah, I wish you didn't know it

Land of the Uzbeks Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, I I'm really looking forward to this weekend's event though. I always like seeing my time it days, right? Like I said, it's in the UAE, I think. So that 11 MPST. Hmm. Oh, that's actually convenient. Yeah, it's an afternoon fight card. Yeah. They're too goddamn late. Normally, like we talk about it all the time, but the Ocho card or whatever at the sphere, we were watching it all a Discord call together and people are getting tuckered out. It's like one, two in the morning or something like that. They're like, how much longer is this going on for?

Like, you got to wait until the light show is over. Then they're going to start the fight. It's I get I got annoyed with that. That was way too long. And if they're going to do that, they should do it at a different time zone. But it's often to serve not the fans that they should do it at different time zone, but It's it's often to serve Not the fans that you would think it is. It seems like they time some of them specifically for You know for an audience's so you guys bet on the fights at all or just kind of like

Casually like small bets so the guys in our discord will do these ridiculous parlay's where they're if if everything goes their way They're gonna win $25,000. So it's fun to watch those because they'll get like three fifths of the way to 25 grand fairly regularly. You know, this guy got knocked out, this guy got submitted and said, Oh my God, I just use like two more things to happen my way. That's how parlays work. Yeah. Yeah. It's meant to get you most of the way there.

Well, how about we try to do it again? Into whatever that is that you're talking about. Oh, that's just us like fucking around. Well, they're using like bet dot com or stake dot com or any number of like fan duel, but we'll do like little private bets between us. What do you know? I have a little standing bet for the election. I'm I'm dude. At third, 12 days away What do you and I have a little standing bet for the election? I'm a dude at third 12 days away. We're going to have a new president.

Well, not technically we're going to have a president elect. We'll know the next president and oh my fucking God, it's either going to be the first woman president of all time with some shaky credentials, or it's going to be Donald fucking Trump again, which is just, it $200 you guys have riding on it is 200 I've already lost one net 100 I haven't paid because so who's betting on who or can you so I I bet on well Biden which rolled over actually I bet on not Trump is what I bet on so I got anyone in the world except Trump that's pretty general yeah right it's feeling a good bet at the time,

because I had the primary go through. It sounds like a good bet. Stuff like that. And DeSantis was looking pretty hot when we made this bet. And I thought Trump's star wasn't shining like it once did. I lost $100. I offered to pay. And Kyle was like, nah, rather than pay the pay pal fees twice,

let's just let the second half of the bet, which was does he become president play out? And at one point, I got way cocky and up the second half from 100 to 200. So I've lost 100. Now I'm either gonna lose 300 or win 100. And I was surprised you want to step it up a notch. Oh, yeah. Well, you know, I was pretty confident two months ago. No, this was, I think this was longer than two months ago. Give yourself more credit. Yeah. I think it was a while. I'll tell you what it was. It was when Kamala had taken the reins and she was doing well.

And she was, she had maybe a two or three point national lead. It was two or three months ago. Oh yeah. I guess it couldn't have been more than three months ago. She hit the scene and she had this line like, I've prosecuted, you know, criminals, fraudulent criminals, for-profit colleges. I've done this. Sexual predators, I know his type. And I'm like, holy smokes, this bitch can talk? She's going to smoke him. And she had a really good bump. And now Trump is slightly ahead. And I wanna like be like, well those polls are probably wrong. But when the polls had Kamala slightly ahead, I bought him. So my integrity means I have to leave him

when I'm behind. I think what I do see is a lot of desperation from, so I have a theory and maybe I'm wrong. I just intake all of my news feed from the internet and I just imagined that a certain amount of it there's some puppeteering being done by leftist or rightist overlords. And it feels like there's some desperation from the left right now to really throw some more shit at Trump. Like, oh, like, like, I must have seen three articles in the last three

days about new Trump allegations of this this new thing, new rape. Or and they'll phrase the article in this really funny way where it's like outrage as as former alleged 13 year old victim of Trump speaks out. And it's like, who's outraged exactly? Well, me, I wrote this article about it. Remember, don't forget. I just well, me, I just get so much of that that it feels like desperation from the left. Cause if they were ahead,

I would imagine them shoring up their positives maybe. That attacking seems desperate to me in politics. Whereas being like, I'm gonna give you this, I'm gonna give you that, seems more like you feel secure with your policies. I did see her come out and say, oh, and we're gonna double the minimum wage. Just like, wow.

Let me respond to that though, because I've had this frustration that it feels like Kamala's taking this AP calculus exam and Trump has taken a remedial math exam for retards. When we say Kamala is desperate because she's attacking Trump, we didn't flip that and say Trump has been calling her a stupid low IQ person who's not black, who's this,

who's that, like the whole way through he's been attacking her and we didn't see desperation there. But when she says, hey, the people that know him best called him fascist, it's like, ah, she's desperate now. So I don't mean desperation within the individuals. Again, I'm imagining an invisible hand that moves the media pieces around and gets certain stories in front of my eyes. I'm imagining a much

larger apparatus and in that I see that. And it goes both ways because Trump was behind a couple, I mean maybe a month ago, and he did get particularly nasty. What did he call it? Retarded? I think he called it retarded I hear low IQ a lot. Yeah, you know, he's he's wild He's so close to saying that bitch he wants to call her a bitch so bad he imagine him every night before he goes on and So the study group they're loving bitch. They look sir, sir

That was one group group in West Virginia. And yes, they do love it when you call her a bitch, but we lose the Eastern. I'm going to say it. I'm going to say it. I'm breaking out the nuclear word. And I think you don't think I'll say it. You really don't. Yeah.

Like she's just been shooting herself in the foot by doing these interviews. Like she just handles. I disagree. I think she's good in her interview. She made a fool of herself on CNN at that town hall and two days ago she made a town hall and Maria Shriver was managing it and someone in the audience before the town hall and like CNBC or whatever was like, will there be any questions from the audience? You know the thing that makes a town hall a town hall. They were like, no we're to be going off of pre-decided questions. Yeah. Yeah. I don't like it when they do that. And CNN, like even the CNN hosts were like, she failed Van Jones, that black

guy. He was like, her word salad is ridiculous. Anderson Cooper said she lost a debate with one participant. She couldn't answer anything. She just mealy-mouths and does awkward laughs like the more she talks the better it is for Trump Well, I'm so excited that in 12 days we get it all over with and we never have to hear from one of them again I'm sure that Trump will disappear into the ether of Wherever what I hide is that they don't lose is he'll do like some money grab shit if he loses He will do money grab shit But I also think that there will be real power brokers on the red side that push him aside that say, okay, my goodness We haven't had good elections since 2016. Trump is done leading this party. I hope I hope it causes

So many problems internally for the Republicans. I hope that it just ruins their ability to return to that neocon bullshit that we had to do for so many years. As long as Lindsey Graham's okay. Oh, yeah. Oh, Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell, such great guys. I don't know why you hate your own people. Okay. These are our people.

I'm not a Republican. What would you call yourself, Libertarian? Taylor. No, I I'm, I want what is best for America. So like nationalistic, like I don't want us intervening in foreign conflicts if they don't have a market benefit for American people. I think it's like simple. Like every priority one through 100 should be what is best for the American people, border security, manufacturing at home, secure

jobs, home ownership, keeping bills low, like all things that like middle class people enjoy. Who's going to look out for the poor Israelis if we're over here building bridges? Have you even thought about the Palestinians? They've gotten enough of a leg up. They're fine. They can do whatever they want in their desert and I don't have to think about it. I'm giving them even more Taylor's money That's what they need. Hey this last hundred billion. This is what's gonna get it. Yes What's the give a bitch will be happy? Yeah, so annoying

No, it's it can't I'm excited for it to be over. I hate this season I I hope the viewers appreciate just how hard I work not talking about politics for the last couple of months. Dude, I fucking love politics. I don't like the day in day out political drudge, but I love the fact that somehow, some way, Donald Trump is the leading candidate for president. There's 12 days to go. I look at it right now. I look at it every day though. The fact that he keeps doing that, and it's gonna be sweet again if he wins It's there's gonna be enough. There's gonna be a montage two hour clip montage of people doubting

Mocking deriding and belittling him and he's gonna be standing there in that fucking oval office They're all gonna be people that worked with him Sure, I mean I would say the majority of the people who have worked with him come out and say that he's an awful person. I think he's probably an awful person, but nonetheless, he's the guy. That's all the right people. And that's good. I just want to know what happens to the taxes at the corporate level for if he's in verse out. He floated an idea where he's like, Oh, let's get rid of income tax altogether, replace it with tariffs. And it's like, you mean how the country ran before what? 1916? Like, yeah, that would be sweet.

That'd be awesome. I don't know about any of that. I just want to get that wall built. You know what I mean? I mean, no income tax. No, he said he's going to build it. You know what I want at the wall? A huge roller coaster so I can look over one side of it as it goes long ways and I can see the poor Mexican trying to get in. It would go over to the president. All right guys, we're doing the wall, but it's going to be a 90 mile an hour roller coaster, which doubles as like fast transit. Meanwhile,

there's like a businessman on there like fast transit. Meanwhile, there's like a businessman on there like people are like, they're calling him the worst president of all time. Well, we've we're in a huge deficit. He bought every NHL player and moved them to St. Louis. That'd be fun. Yeah, it's ruining the country. He it seems like it's from an alternate universe. I mean, he's doing like he does. He's he does YouTube podcasts now. You know what I mean? Like he's you know what I like about a crypto coin, Taylor,

like the trans like forgetting about the crypto thing, the transition, like political figures doing podcasts instead of radio shows. Like I love that. Like just seeing that transition. The NELF podcast is like a major activation. That's incredible. Like, and I mean more selfishly because this is what we do, but like really solidifying the replacement of traditional radio with podcasting

and seeing establishment politicians in their seventies and eighties or whatever actually engaging with it. Like that's the future. Look at fucking Howard Stern's ratings. I agree, but for a different reason, I like the long form of it. Like, who's the guy who wanted to give everybody

basic income, Michael Yang? Does that sound right? Andrew Yang. Andrew Yang, thank you. He says everyone gets free money and you're like, what is this horse shit? And then he gets on the Joe Rogan experience and he gets to really detail where he's gonna find the money

and how it happens. And you're like, ah, you don't get this in two and a half minutes. It takes two and a half hours. Bernie Sanders went on the JRE and he explained where he was coming from and he became immensely more popular. If you give these people a minute to talk, and by that I mean two hours to talk, then you get to hear what they're really going for. And that doesn't happen on CNN when they have

three and a half minutes to fill. Go, go, go. If they don't like the way it's going, they fill a buster. There's this one rhetorical trick that tries to be crazy where like you'll be like, Hey, I think people are concerned about this. And they'll be like, you know what, people are concerned about border security and this and that and whatever. It's like, just because you was like the tip in politics and in PR is don't answer the question you're asked. Answer the question you wish you were asked. Right. But in two and a half hours, you get to sort of relax. It's a little non confrontational and tell people what you're about. And I appreciate it.

Yeah. I wish it was more like who wants to be a millionaire then I want Regis Philbin to go, ah, you didn't answer the question. No points. All right, Kamala. that's not how you pronounce my name oh you did already lost a point there no what's from what type of home did you grow up in upper class middle class lower class it's like middle class and then they'll be like okay now you, I mean, Regis Philbin's dead. So I don't think he can do that. He's not dead.

Regis Philbin's, is he not dead? Yeah, he's dead. Oh. This is... I'm sure. You gaslit me for a second there. Drew Carey then, Drew Carey. He's doing the taxes right.

No, you know what? I want Steve Harvey He's like I'm gonna give taxes to all the you know, whoever and he's like Like given his like big eyes and mustache look that would be so fucking funny his big teeth I see parties hilarious. He gets a bad rap. You serious? He's funny I think he's I think he's like a like real backstabby, like trying to mess up other people's careers in the past. I don't know anything about that. Yeah, I think Cat Williams had a whole thing about Steve Harvey Williams.

Doesn't like him. Yeah. OK, well, if there's a beef between Steve Harvey and Cat Williams, I'm team cat all the way. Are you Williams is so funny. I love it. I want to be kept. I want to be kept. Oh, he's hilarious. He tells great stories,

but that time that child beat him up in the parking lot, that really makes me hard to be his fan. I love that. Well, Derek, a 12 year old beat up cat Williams outside of church one time on this internet video. And I mean like eight years ago, a 12 year old, and he's like, it wasn't like a quick beat up and like you go your separate ways and you kind of yell like, yeah, time I fuck you up 12 year old piece of shit It was like the 12 years on top of him beating him up and he's going and they're recording him and he's going This is how y'all treat

Y'all treat your black celebrities He's just being assaulted by Yes, yeah, yeah, he's like this is how you treat your celebrities while getting beat up. While being held down. It's rough. Like a husky 12 year old. Yeah. But he's a 12 year old. The article is, Cat Williams sucker punched his kid but gets ass beating.

That's what happened. That is precisely what happened. Yeah. But he's such a funny guy. In fairness, this particular 12 year old, I think, could beat up a lot of 14 year olds. Yeah, he was a real, he was probably like the 70th percentile size kid. You know, so not even that big. He did that thing from the movies where you'd be like,

oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. And then you sucker punch him, you look off left and right, like there's something interesting around to sort of pretend like you're not. You know what I remember is how little cat Williams shoes were. He's kicking, trying to get out. We've got these little Dorothy slippers on his little fucking, his little Oshkosh be gosh Jordan's he's got some air force 0.5 on shockingly few amount of views well good for cat I'm sure he

probably had somebody trying to delete some of those maybe yeah yeah mean videos online but uh but that 12 year old did rough him up pretty good that would be embarrassing yeah another trying to find it I find by accident cat William slaps a target employee this guy just to go around like sucker punching and like slapping people? Got a little man. You know, he's a he's an eccentric genius. And you have to put up with all these things to get the jokes. You guys ready to wrap? Yeah, I suppose we are. All right. Check out Derek,

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