Painkiller Already - PKA 729 W/ Hutch: Is One Less CEO A Good Thing?

Episode Date: December 7, 2024

PKA 729 with our guest Hutch Taylor. This episode of PKA is brought to you by betterhelp.com, Lock and Load, and also our wonderful merchandise. So we'll talk more about that later. Hutch, how are you doing? What's new in your world? I'm well. Nothing, nothing big going on for me at the moment. Everything's pretty, pretty normal, I would say.

That's good. No new games you're having fun with or getting frustrated? Like obviously the election happened, but I'm like heavy into stalker 2 right now is the thing that I got into. I'm playing on the hardest difficulty and Kyle said he was playing through Fallout 4. It's like very similar but obviously without the um what do you call it the VAT system? Yeah yeah yeah VATS is just a crutch for you you know, terrible Bethesda coders. So I thought it was kind of fun when I played for it is fun.

It's just it's a crutch for bad coding because they they made like there's a balance between RPG and shooter. You can be a great RPG or you can be a great shooter. But I don't have a lot of time in the game. Can you explain why you would say that? Which game? I've followed why VATS is a crutch and what is VATS is the auto aiming thing yeah that's the auto aiming thing you hit your bumper you hit whatever your hotkey is and even the computer auto targets everything and you yeah shoot him in the arm twice and once in the head too and yeah throw in a critical on the second shot it's that system the fallout one and two are

those top-down maybe isometric is the way to describe it games that are very heavy With the story and the RPG elements you sort of you You see your character kind of like God from Bob and you walk him around and you go through all this stuff Fallout 3 and New Vegas or they there should first-person shooters RPGs third person ask thing big open they're terrible Yeah, that's definitely RPG But then but four is a shooter four actually works as a shooter So four still got the bat system just as 76 does it's it's not going anywhere

But it was introduced in three in New Vegas because the shooting was so bad The gunplay was so bad in three and New Vegas, especially without modding. That's it's Like like turn based kind of RPGs so it's like it's like a real time shooting kind of mechanic but it harkens back to like jrpgs and you can turn off vats and just play it on difficult mode you don't ever have to use it at all but it's it's harder i mean it's it's i don't use vats i mean oh oh i did i thought it was fun well sure then use it it's nobody's gonna judge, oh, I did. I thought it was on. Well, sure. Then use it.

It's nobody's going to judge you. It's part of the it's like the power armor. OK, like you could do a whole run without ever stepping into a suit of power armor and fall out. You've still played fallout beating fall out. You know what I mean? Or you do a whole run where your character is based on being in power armor. Like there's no reason to put any points in the strength skill, maybe

because power armor just gives you an automatic 11, right? So you can put those points elsewhere. So you can also build a character that heavily leans on VATS. It stores criticals to be applied when it wants it. Recharges its AP faster. It, it, uh, it does any number of things. That's the build I did. Like I, I thought that's was fun. I was that's really like a saving their ass from a bad coding? It was just kind of part of the game as well

because I think in one and two, when you've got that isometric style, it's a little bit like Baldur's Gate where you're like, all right, target that guy in the head and roll the dice. Oh, my plus two accuracy because of my intelligence and then blah, blah, blah. And then you'd apply all those factors, roll digital dice and then determine if you hit the guy and that's just still in the game now that we're in the first-person shooters

And it doesn't really fit but that's the intended to have vets the whole time, right? Yeah It's a staple of the game. Um, did you get into? Starfield at all or not? No, I was very unimpressed by the reviews obviously when it came out. It got kind of bombed and then I'm sure that it got better over time but it still looks like shit and it looks so much like shit to me that I think Bethesda is gonna shit the bed with the next Elder Scrolls game. I think it's going to be like laughed at compared to GTA. I think we's going to be like laughed at compared

to GTA. I think we're going to it's not going to rise that mantle of what I've been calling quadruple A titles like Baldur's Gate three and Elden Ring. It's not going to be one of those. There's diminishing returns with it. So like the first 20 to 40 to 60 hours, there's a lot to marvel at because just the technical aspect of it is pretty remarkable. What they were able to do with the procedurally generated, there's like a thousand different planets that you can visit. The issue with the game though is that it's like very barren and they don't do enough with the

points of interest. Like so you land on a planet and it'll procedurally generate points of interest, but a lot of the times the side quests are just really uninteresting So you'll run into a group of miners and they'll tell you they lost one of their friends back at a cave You know two miles that way so you just go you just walk for five minutes get the guy and then walk back So there's stuff like that where it's like why is this in the game? Yeah, but the gunplay is is definitely the best that Bethesda's done So I feel like you can have a good time with it, but Once I reached like 60 80 hours. I was like and usually with Bethesda games. You can do you know? 200-300 hour runs for oh yeah, oh yeah Skyrim

Yeah, nobody gets bored in Skyrim after like six hours like that you won't run out of stuff to that I bought Starfield and was excited about it. Cause I had in my head that it was going to be a space Skyrim basically. And then before I even started, my brother and another couple of friends of mine also bought it and they were putting in dozens of hours. And before I even started, they texted me and were like, don't even bother. This is nothing like Skyrim. The way they describe the quest is exactly what you said, where they're like,

dude, I just need any Sidequest to not be a fetch quest like make me feel as though I'm doing something meaningful in the cosmos Not like collecting a kind of flower to go bring to this person. Did you play Outer Worlds? I Came out a few years ago. It was made by obsidian obsidian is who made fallout New Vegas. It's the only fallout title That Bethesda hasn't made themselves and it's in my opinion making a vowed There's a new game coming out called avowed which looks really good. It's very Skyrim Ash ask Okay, if it comes out in January, I'd be into that Yeah, try it New Vegas is what won me over New Vegas New Vegas a story and how dark it was

Like you find like you find stuff that I don't want to talk about in the first six minutes to the show Was like you find like you find stuff that I don't want to talk about in the first six minutes to the show We'll get the monetize like immediately, but it's like you know the worst stuff That you can imagine people getting cooked and children being taken and all kinds of awful stuff the fiends in New Vegas I dug all that hardcore story elements in a game I hadn't seen that before the Amazon show was way better than I thought it would be. Like so much better. And it was done by Jonathan Nolan, who I think like, he has kind of a mixed track record.

He helped to write Westworld, which had a really strong start, like the first season. And then it just kind of slowly went downhill. Yeah, that tanked. He's done a number of other sci-fi projects that I didn't find all that interesting, but yeah, I was really blown away. What did you guys watch?

Did I say massive fan of it? I've seen I watched through it two or three times because because I like I watched it like by myself once and what my girlfriend wants and then maybe with a third person once, you know, to I enjoyed it so much. I like the girl Elizabeth Purnell or something, whatever. And yeah, great. I enjoyed it so much. I like the girl Elizabeth Purnell or something whatever name that big-eyed like dude I loved what a sweet

Well-mannered like innocent whore. She was right like that juxtaposition of her personality Just yeah, right? I didn't think about it through that lads, but you're not far off. She uh She would just moral, good, and down to bang all the time. Yeah. You want me to make your cock explode? All right, so that was the cringe moment of the whole series win. Cause there's the moment when they fall through a trap door,

doing a little investigation, as you have probably done in Fallout 4 or 3. I'm sure you've done it at some point in one of the games. And you surprise, you're in a vault. And she's like, you want me to make your cock explode? And they sort of suggested that she was talking crazy like that because they were in the testing area and maybe they were being exposed to some sort of gas or something.

No, no, she's just talking dirty. It was just like an out of character moment. It didn't make much sense. It didn't really make sense because it was like she had all the proper words to explain like firearms and combat. Like she wasn't like, where the stick boom boom. Like to like misattribute like just ejaculating as cock explode. It was like this is a little out of like I could tell they were trying to make it funny at the time but it also a little out of character. You're right Kyle. Or maybe she was trying to dumb it down for his, um, like she was talking, she's talking to a sexual cave man. So maybe she like, maybe, maybe I'm

misremembering. And there had been a moment earlier that led her to believe that that was the best way to describe sex to him. That if she said, Hey, I, if he was intercourse, he'd have had no clue. But if she would be poorly socialized, I'm down. I gotta feed some lines to Jackie. I think he's just figured that's the way we're going with this. No, we love the show. I was super impressed by how well they adapted fallout because I was ready for another one of the, you know, Taylor and I famously hate the very idea of a Lord of the Rings TV show that strays from Canon one fucking millimeter. Like we don't watch it. We haven't seen an episode. We don't care that it's good. You've told us it's good. Like I won't watch. Second season definitely better than the first for sure. Sure. Good to know. Very well maybe.

It's a three out of 10. Yeah. But that being said, like man, blown away by fallout, looking forward to the next season. And it also like pumped a little rejuvenation into like the fallout gaming scene and the, the YouTuber scene and the modding scene and all that stuff too. So that was cool to see. That one dude ruled every time Walton, it's Walton Goggins, right? Walton Goggins. Walton Goggins. Yeah. Every time he was on screen and would leave, I'd be like,

why do you have to go? Go back to another Walton Goggins scene Yeah, every time he was on screen and would leave, I'd be like, why do you have to go? Go back to another Walton Goggins scene. This should be the Walton Goggins show. Nothing against you, Miss Purnell, you're fine. But every time he was on screen, I loved it. He's great in every way. If I was King Taylor. He was really good in the hateful eight. Like, I've never seen a project that he's been a part of

that he hasn't added to in a really meaningful way. His season two should be all Walton Goggins or Hot Chick Banging. That's how I would do it. Oh, going to New Vegas in season two. So I'm excited about that. I saw- Is that me?

Walton Goggins is- 26. That's the thing that frustrates me. I love streaming. I love the lack of commercials. I love watching whenever I feel like it, but it has taken away the importance of coming out on a schedule

now that everything's just streaming. There is no, what did they call it? Was it sweeps? I bet Taylor knows this. When the ratings were extra important. Oh yeah. But it's also the fact that those are really high, high productions.

Those are like a lot of money that's being put into set design and graphics and costumes and makeup and and so like it's all that Yeah, but like lost because there's just not as many moving parts so you can do that once a year Yeah, in an instance like that. It's like I think they ordered season two like immediately so it's like why are y'all taking a break? Why aren't we always working? Do y'all not work for money like? Shouldn't there be a third season? We should be talking about the third season that's about to come out. I mean I work five sometimes as many as six hours in a week. I don't know why they can't keep up with us. If you pay me for an extra hour I'll show up. That's all I'm saying. I'm sure if they told this Purnell lady hey be here Friday another another three million dollars in it for you

She'd be there and they they'd shoot the episode I just feel like Dragon House of the Dragon is even more frustrating I think because the second season ended so poorly I thought like I got a tricking me back into that. That's not on purpose That's definitely So look, I'm not an expert but just what I see there I don't think that that's what how they wanted that season to end. I think something happened Budgetary wise or like runtime wise they just couldn't squeeze it in like surely they didn't mean to end season two on a

Not even a cliffhanger. It was such bullshit Yeah, that was a little pissed about this season She said that there were like the scene with the baby I won't get into spoilers, but the scene with the baby in the books was way more graphic and brutal and I mean she she says that the the whole story that the house of the dragons being adapted from is Just as if not crazier than like the game of thrones like the the running story there and she was super disappointed with this season so yeah I mean part of me like two years so yeah so initially I was kind of part of the Taylor team where it's like you fucked

me over last time so I spent eight years watching your horse shit no more but I jumped on board now I've enjoyed it thus far. However, I will say... You haven't been running old yet. Well, I haven't been hooked to it yet, no. But it's coming. And even if it doesn't, I'm not that invested, though, in this, because I was in Game of Thrones. And something about knowing that Game of Thrones is what comes after this. Every time that they mention to another character, the king, I can't recall his name, but he's mentioned to his daughters, oh, the great winter's coming and the snows

will come fucking 500 feet tall. And it's like, dude, I've seen it. It wasn't that big of a deal. They sent a 14 year old girl in with a magic knife. Yeah, that knife right there, the one you got, she takes care of it. No big deal. Let's just train in her army of 14 year old girls. That's his fucking It's a script tonight kryptonite warned if you go back and rewatch Game of Thrones because I did that this year for some reason I don't know. Yeah, let's go back and watch it. Let's be sad entire from first first the eighth season. There are Massive House of the Dragon spoilers just casually dropped like Joffrey drops and I'm like just a really massive spoiler in For oh, yeah. Just be careful if you ever go back and watch which it does everybody So this I suppose is a spoiler

But the whole point is that all the dragons are about to be killed off so that there are no dragons in the game of Thrones We're no get dragons a game of Thrones where they all go. There's three all died They're all fucking dead. It's less on the nose than that. It's like a major character dying. Oh sure that's in a really graphic way. So really I wonder what you're talking about. I have this question for you Hutch. I rewatched Game of Thrones and on rewatching,

I liked it a lot more, more than I did the first time because in my opinion, especially like the second half of the whole season, you know, seasons whatever, five through eight, I would wait all year for the next ones to come out. It was, it felt like it was excruciating and sometimes it was a year and a half and then there'd only be eight episodes or six episodes and if those six episodes weren't all bangers, if they weren't all fucking Marvel end game, I was like, this sucks, oh my God,

nothing happened this week. I just watched a 50 minute show and I could sum it up in 45 seconds because not a darn thing happened. But when you can watch like three in a night and you just binge watching Game of Thrones, the pacing is better. And when you don't need all six episodes to be great because there's another one queued up

I liked it more on second watching I mean, I don't think people who have never watched it should should probably watch it all the way through just because even though Like I wouldn't recommend so the last two seasons in particular are pretty rough But there are like definitely redeeming qualities to those seasons. It's not all bad when There's just a problems with pacing, obviously. And, you know, the D&D, they were getting ready to go off and do Star Wars, so they checked the fuck out. And prophetic fulfillment. Like, all of those prophecies early on in the first five seasons that were supposed to be these, like, calamitous, like, end of days

bringing things occurring or, like, a righteous emergence of a figure like John as Azor Azai, like none of that mattering. Tell me. Just being a bunch of bunk is exactly why like I've never rewatched. I was so into Game of Thrones. As soon I watched like the first two episodes at a friend's house season one, like when it was coming out and immediately I bought all the books that were available, which is almost the same numbers that are available today. And bought and read through all those and was so excited and was like, I can't

wait for the final book to come out. I can't wait to see how they wrap this up. There are so many tendrils out in the open that need to be tied. What's going to happen? And then when they just spit in our face with Aria killing the Night King and Jamie's entire character development arc being undone because of a 15 second conversation with Cersei near the end. It was so frustrating. I defend that. That's one thing I will defend.

It's a through line. He got his redemption, but in the end, it kind of reminded me of Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. The major lesson of that movie is no matter how toxic it it can get it can get sometimes sometimes people are just drawn to Each other and I felt like that was kind of the take with with him like even though he had this like really beautiful Storyline with a Brianna of Tarth and all that which was really great like his art Yeah, was just one of my favorite arcs in the entire show at the end of the at the end of the series He's still like right by Cersei and Hancock did it like the collapse of the empire that they were trying bad riding

But he had learned so much over those over those seasons with Brianne and all those other surrounding characters And it seemed like he had changed Legitimately multiple times like the scene with Brianne on the the bridge comes to mind Like there's so much that he did to demonstrate. He wasn't faking it. He had become a different guy. He'd been humbled by the loss of his hand. He remapped where he fit in the world. And then for all of that to culminate with him basically going, nah, I'm the same as I was seven years ago and then die was like, I hated that so much.

I hated the end. I hated all of it. Someone asked me recently who'd never seen it, if they should watch it in our discord. And I was like, yeah, but stop at season five. Like, like after season one, John, though, they won't because they're going to be addicted. I but the issues I have aren't the same ones that you guys have. Like, I get it. The prophecies never really meant much. And like, I get it.

But my issue was Jon Snow went from a character that was a good like six or seven out of ten clever. Right. He a little finger but he wasn't a retard until the last couple seasons at which point he really was. His language just got like all his scenes were I don't know I don't do that whatever he became these like one liner things. That frustrated me a lot. His brain didn't have oxygen for like 20 minutes. We're surprised to get.

What if he came back retarded? That would have been a good story line. It was a little person is Tyrion, right? Taryon was supposed to be so clever and that was all gone. Danny Danny got stupid. That was frustrating. You know she she was never the master tactician but she became a full on her her art was fine, too It was just they didn't flesh it out like they didn't have enough time like it I do kind of like it culminating with her essentially being just the same as the Mad King

It's just they tried to they tried it and there are signs when you go Especially when you go back and rewatch it She her character learns the lesson over and over again that when she tries to be like just and kind she's punished for it and when she's ruthless she's rewarded for it. And so they kind of like sprinkle these breadcrumbs to line up that that switch but it was just so jarring the way they did it in the lot. Even with all that development it just wasn't enough because it seemed like in the span of really like two episodes she went from someone who could be like a righteous ruler of the seven kingdoms or whatever. And then, you know, then it was just, I agree with you there

on, on Daenerys. Like she was always kind of a shitty ruler. She was overly emotional. Like even the way she and her followers framed the freeing, the freeing of the unsullied was a little ridiculous in the books and the show, where it was like, all right, you guys, I just killed your master, which means you totally belong to me. But like, I want to know you guys like actually want to fight for me. And then that guy's like, we are castrated slaves who have been psychically tortured for six, our entire lives. The thought of not obeying you is foreign to me. And she's like, well, then I guess blame free. Like, and then just take-

Have you heard of Westeros? Yeah, have you heard of Westeros? Like, no, she could have given land. And there was a lot of like forced kind of Marvel style humor, especially in the last two seasons that really kind of got under my skin. Like the humor was pretty clever, I thought, for the first four or five seasons.

And then it just got really kind of quickening. Like this scene- This scene? Oh, I'm sorry. Which one are you talking about? What's going on? I'm talking about the scene where he does, like he does a drinking game. It's Tyrion and the guy from the Unsullied

and then his like love interest. Yeah. And then they all do like a drinking game. And there's just like a lot of really forced, weird humor there. And yeah. Yeah. The scene Taylor was talking about

before the topic changes. That was a point where Dany was actually pretty clever. You know, scene Taylor was talking about before the topic changes. That was a point where Dani was actually pretty clever. You know, there she was trading, I think, dragons for the Unsullied Army, and then the dragons had loyalty to her and they burnt the guy that she sold them to and then suddenly they're hers again. And it was this double cross that season eight Dani was too dull for. But it's like a double, it wasn't to me an impressive double cross in the same way that like if I have a snarling pitbull at it. But it was though, she spoke their language and they didn't know it. She revealed there at the end that like,

oh you thought I was the stupid foreign girl. I speak your language and four more. Yeah. And then she's, I like, that was the moment. I get that. The idea, it was really the slavers, I guess, being retarded because he was being a smug idiot and being like, this is stupid girl. Think that she will get my unsullied without proffering dragon. And then at the end, it's just like, no, I'm going to burn you with this dragon. And the guy is shocked. That never occurred to them that that could happen. That didn't occur. If I come to Kyle's house and I'm like, Kyle, I mean to trade you many slaves for your ravenous pit bull. And then I get there and your pit bull is snarling at me and doing that. And then you go pit bull attack and I get mauled. That's on me.

That's on me for showing up. There's no little fingers in that negotiation. Like I get mauled, that's on me. That's on me for showing up like an idiot. To your point, there's no little fingers in that negotiation, like I get it. But at least she was the, you know, six out of 10, seven out of 10, I said she was. She spoke a language, she kept that secret, she kept her cards close to her chest, and you know, in the end, she got everything at the same time.

Come later, she's just strategic moral. That was a good episode. And she was like a moral, like a good slave owner. Like our. I just felt like your arc, I feel like was one of the better ones. And it resolved really well, too, because he was trying to do this like scheme to divide Sansa and Arya. And then there was that twist.

I thought that was done really, really well. Of all the arcs that they did in the eight season, I thought that were like rushed and not that great. That one was actually pretty fucking good. You know who's awesome? Pretty good, I don't know her name. Lady Mormont, maybe? She's the little...

Yeah, the little Mormont. Yeah, yeah. She plays that in The Last of Us. Mm-hmm. Oh, that's good. Yeah, she didn't have a bad scene, I don't think. She had that mean little scowling face. It was fucking cute as shit. they're doing the fucking troll draft

What is the giant picks her up and she's all bloody and she's like? Hey, like stabs with a fucking hard. She was so she had so much gravitas and she was like 12 She was so good, this is more of like a childlike critique in what I like how many men battles come from Bear Lake? 43! Like they fought so hard in negotiations to get those 43 men. She's like each man from Bear Lake's a hundred from the south. Did you guys wish that that more giants were involved? that that more Giants were involved? No I was happy I felt like they did a great job so like hmm if the if the if the North would have attacked a century earlier they would have bowled over the entire there would it wouldn't have been a contest because part of the lore is

like I think it was relatively recently the Giants started dying out in mass up there like it was kind of like one of those Tolkien esque things where like their magic was dying kind of like elves or whatever. But like yeah the only reason they even had a chance is because they had like three of those guys. Imagine if they have like 300 of those dudes. It's over. They did it. They're like they're overpowered. They're like a lightsaber or something in that universe. So it was good that they used one one or whatever his name was to have that crazy episode where he goes on a tear and then he dies heroically and was like all right we're all out of giant moment at the end but wait didn't one one come back as a zombie lady as a zombie one more night yeah yeah which was also a good scene I

what I always wanted I always predicted and no one else did was that Jamie had... And no one else did. And no one else did. Because there was, you know, there was entire YouTube channels. Tens of millions of people watch these shows. No, really. It didn't happen. I had...

I want to hear what it was. I thought Jamie Lannister would be training in secret with his left fucking hand and there'd be that moment where somebody was like Humiliating him or embarrassing him in front of the court like have Kingsley. Oh, yes, the great swordsman Kingsley Come come up and they like make him like Like like sword fight to embarrass him in some way thinking that you know It's gonna be good to humiliate him man in secret He's just spent the last eight years just training with his left hand like I was gonna happen Did you guys know that?

actress that plays Cersei and the actor who I Forgot the character's name. He Lena Headey Lena Headey, I had yeah, no, so that's her real name But but the actor who played the guy who trained Jamie who was like aligned with Tyrion. Do you remember that character? I do you on Bron Bron Bron exactly so black one in real life actually Used to date and I guess they had a horrible breakup So they said that they they stipulated that they never wanted to do any scenes together I think they only did like one in the entire series and that was at the very end when there was that council and they were figuring out like how to do an alliance against the

Undead that must have been fun for bronze actor because if I recall he was a real cunt in that Scene around the table where he's like you foolish lords think everything will go swimmingly Getting drunk. Megan Fowler is a good actor. She was cool in 300. She was great in Dread. She was ma-ma in Dread, which is such a cult classic. That's one of my favorite shooter movies of all time.

I wish that had taken off. I'm a big Carl Urban fan too. So I wanted Dread to be big. But it was written by Alex Garlandland who's one of my favorite filmmakers now He did a ex Machina and annihilation and civil war this year. Did you guys see he did men? But nobody likes that one, but Civil War was fucking Insane in IMAX the last time on come on. It's like wait. You didn't like that movie. No, you did not We didn't like Civil War civil war shit. This is the movie from like a year ago, right? It's from like February No Or shit

Come on let's go for a ride. I like this and I love that and this shit's good, too And I'm for sure and then there's that thing. I'm like fuck that thing what yeah They well alright, so they got in trouble with their AI created thumbnails or screenshots or commercials or whatever they did. That's true. And, and then even worse than that, those sort of suggested, I didn't mind that those had been created with AI. I minded that nothing in the movie showed us those scapes, those cities.

Thought it was going to be like a big action spectacle or at least a little bit of backstory like the fucking water world gives you a more backstory about how the earth got wet then this movie does about how the Civil War began like I they don't want to and then the idea and this is sort of that thing that modern movies do now like China and China Russia oh they were not the bad guys in this'm like in this alliance Yeah, a California Texas Alliance is so far like that. That's what he made writing is what that is See it though like if you have one right if you actually had like an authoritarian Anti-constitutional president like you could see an uneasy alliance there with Texas

What but that wouldn't be what it would be no it would be the South rising again We all know. Look, there's only one place that routinely attempts to succeed, succeed and not succeed. Succeed. It's text. Text. Well, he wrote that script in 2020

and he wrote it as a love letter to journalism because he felt like journalism was getting shit on too much. So I loved it. Nothing else in my mind. I went into it expecting it to be, I don't know, a movie about current events. And I was so happy that it wasn't. I love the California-Texas alliance.

I thought I was going to be rooting for one side and hating the other and thinking one was justified. I didn't know if this movie was going to be for me or against me. And it was neither. And I really liked it in the end. And that scene with the red glasses, that guy, Jesse Plymouth's goal that scene Last minute bro. He had a replacement. He was a replacement. I know he was a replacement I think he's one of the other actors actors husband's or brother's husband's husband. They have a kid together Yeah, she's like oh my husband can do it and oh my god. He stole the film. Who was he replacing? Do they know?

can do it. And oh my God, he stole the film. Who was he replacing? Do they do they know? I'm not sure, but he only had two weeks. I mean, which he didn't have that many lines, but I like that, too. When that guy like dead eyed kills that kid in Breaking Bad, it was one of the most like wild parts of that whole show where like just just casual and really like look at his eyes in that scene. Just you know, it's not his fault. He has dead eyes.

Like that's how he looks at things, but just killing a fucking seven year old collecting bugs and then being like, all right, what's the next step in the mission? And everyone's just aghast. It was him coming back for El Camino and he had gained a bunch of weight for Fargo season two, which he was also really good in that.

He's good in everything. That's why I'm gaining weight, I'm hoping. Jesse Plymouth's gaining weight. I'm hoping Super skinny and breaking bad and then he came back in El Camino and it's supposed to be the same time frame Anyways, like literally two twice. It was a prequel enormous belly. Yeah, my man I I that took me out of it because obviously everybody aged you can't prevent that too much But the fat Damon in particular getting as big as he did You just had timing because he had to put on wait for another role Wish I knew that I would have been more forgiving. I thought he just liked food a lot

well to your point though about Civil War, Woody, like the the director purposefully was Kind of ambiguous about like what the politics were there were some subtexts that you could pick up on I think there's kind of obvious but but there was it was he deliberately sort of subverted people's expectations or didn't go into specifics because he wanted to like the movie was a love letter to journalists, but it was also a movie about because he wanted to like the movie was a love letter to journalists, but it was also a movie about increasing hyper polarization. And it was meant to be as a cautionary tale of like people that are splitting up and being in their own sort of like information systems.

And I think it was a good idea. Like I think it's Michael Jordan, who's like, I don't get into politics. Everybody buys, you know, Republicans Democrats both buy shoes. For that reason though, he was doing it to, he was, he know, Republicans, Democrats, both buy shoes. Well, he wasn't avoiding it for that reason, though. He was doing it to he was he was saying, like, if you can't imagine an alliance between California and Texas, then that's that's the problem that I'm trying to bring attention to. And so if you didn't have a good reaction to it, that's fine. But I can imagine a war between California and Texas.

Do you think a part of the reason that and I haven't seen the movie, but it would make sense to me just from a, like trying to market to more people from the film perspective, that like he wouldn't want to break it down in a way that was realistic, because then he would be forced to like pick a side that wins, pick a side that loses, pick a side that he thinks is good versus bad,

and that would alienate a lot of potential viewers. And so he has to almost pick this like, farcical, absurd, never going to happen split so that then he has like a plausible deniability of like, well, I'm actually critiquing the different media ecosystems. Like I didn't want to make it about regions. I don't think so because this was like an indie film that wasn't that wasn't projected to make a lot of money. And it ended up it ended up being a 24 most financially successful film. The previous one really was everything everywhere all at once,

but he wasn't making it to this giant blockbuster. Like he doesn't make those kinds of movies really. Okay. So that wasn't my complaint anyway. Like that's a little thing where I'm like, Oh sure. Those two would fight. My complaint was not only do we not get any backstory and we don't get enough of who's the guy

who played the president, who I love mustache man from, from parks and rec Offerman Nick Offerman I would have liked a little more Nick Offerman I like this scene like like maybe some some of his point of view a little bit or maybe just some tv clips of him or more radio of him that would have been interesting because I did really enjoy the whole end sequence when they stormed the White House great filmmaking filmmaking. That was really cool to watch. That was a great action scene. I liked the tense moments. The scene with the mass burial and, and Plemons, Jesse Plemons,

that's been memed so many times. I saw that today. There was a meme where it's Jesse Plemons standing there and he's got the new Vegas like NCR helmet on it. He's like, what kind of fallout fan are you? Because like for people that are fans of that genre, like some of them think that most of those games are shit except for just that one. And, uh, and I love that. That moment when he's standing there, I'm like, I gotta admit,

I was so annoyed with the main characters of the movie that I was like finally Jesse Plymouth is gonna set these fuckers straight what's up libtards look at them glasses look at them glasses Did you watch Devs? Did you watch Devs? I didn't. Oh Kyle you're the movie guy get it together. Devs is an FX series it's a 10 episode FX series that Alex Garland did it's about I don't want to give too much away

But it's really fucking good. He's just fantastic at sci-fi. I would hide about computer programmers Yes, yes, yeah Yeah, it is developing AI or maybe um I don't want to give away too much I don't want to give away too much. Black mirror? You can give away more than the title. So imagine if you could create an algorithm that could fucking predict the future and then the implications of that.

Like Minority Report. And that gives away, you find that out in the first episode so I feel like I'm not spoiling too much but there's a whole, there's a lot of implications. There's murder and there's espionage and it's just, yeah, really, really great. I love Tom Cruise. Like I don't, I always say this when he comes up, but like you just mentioned Minority Report. It's like, yeah, most actors would be so proud of Minority Report being that crazy, huge movie they made. It's like his 12th biggest sci-fi blockbuster hit that's actually good.

Just in the sci-fi genre. It's not even yeah, that's what Tom Cruise Making was trash though that movie boring. Yeah, oblivion was kind of trash It would have been a cool like black mirror episode or like 30 minutes short or like part of an anthology Series of like sci-fi horrors, but instead it's like man. We've been here for two hours Morgan Freeman. What's going on? but instead it's like, man, we've been here for two hours, Morgan Freeman, what's going on? Here's coming back for the just in time for the second Trump administration too. So they got the the timing down. What is Tom Cruise's best movie? Magnolia. What's that about? Born on the 4th of July, maybe. I don't know. But if you go on about like, all right, I'll tell you my favorite Tom Cruise movies. List your favorite Tom Cruise movies until you name one I've seen and then we can talk about that one. I

Really like Top Gun the first one I think music like when I watched it I was a kid and that music just like really spoke to me and he was just so fucking cool It like I didn't realize it was a gay movie. I didn't realize that it was a gay movie at the time. I was a kid, but I was like, yeah, I was getting some weird feelings on the inside. He's playing beach volleyball and Iceman was like, you can be, what does he say? You can be my wingman anytime. And then miles with those big ass Anytime and then mad Kim was smiles with a big ass

Seeing that one maverick was so goddamn good. It was so good in theaters. It was amazing. Oh you thought so Yeah, okay loved it. I I like it Yeah, I liked it. I thought it was good. I thought Kyle sometimes calls it member berries It's a South Park reference where like they're kind of playing into your nostalgia. Like here's the part where Gusto's Gusto. Yeah. The same, the same opening scrawl with like the same font, the same music. So when Goose sings at the bar, I'm like, fast forward. And the end of a football game instead of a volleyball game. Like they definitely had a few beats that were like meant to be nostalgic. I'm looking through his entire filmography now, and I haven't admittedly. I haven't seen most of these, but Tropic Thunder. I forgot he was in that as the funny executive.

That is that movie. I watched it within the last year. That movie holds up so well. It is hilarious. So I remember not knowing that that was him until after the fact. Yeah, he's got those like weird forearms and like prosthetic hands on there. So I remember like seeing him hit a phone with those like weird prosthetic fat fingers and being like, what's the hell is wrong with this actor's hands? Like, why do they look so stiff and weird?

No, it's Tom Cruise. Kyle, what's the time travel movie? It's something close to the day after tomorrow. That works. Yeah, the day after tomorrow. Is that what it is? OK. I like that one a lot. I can't think of one. I. Yeah. The day after tomorrow. Is that what it is? Okay. I like that one a lot. I can't think of one I like more. Wait, the one with Chris Patton. No, no. Fuck that one. No, it's the one. That one. It's the one with the Terminator. Edge of Tomorrow with Emily Blunt. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Emily Blunt. That we all love

that one. I want a sequel to that. I think they're going to make it. Emily Blunt's hot as fuck to me. I think she's John Krasinski's wife, maybe. Yeah. And yoga pose that you like. It's the yoga pose when when he's like looking for and all the like bots are moving around. She like looks up with the yoga pose. I also think that when I see the modified Chopper Blade sword, that was cool as shit to me. That to me was like, yeah.

They changed the name of that movie after it came out on video. They did. So it came out in theaters as Edge of Tomorrow. And then when it came out on like Blu-ray or whatever, they changed it to Live Die Repeat, which was- Oh, that's a worse name. I've never heard of a film

changing their name after the fact. So you guys all know about movies more than I do and I'm looking at this. Oh, come on Tom Cruise so that movie guys all seen of Eyes wide shot. Have you guys seen that? Yeah, I've seen it. I started it once and I fell asleep because it was very late I'll get around to it. But I did hear that after that movie. Yeah, after that movie came out, apparently, like, rapidly Kubrick died. And then they removed a bunch of stuff. They like made a different cut of it. What's the what's the story there? It seems like something you guys would know. He died before after production before it was released. I know that. But I don't know what you're talking about. I heard that they like removed a lot of things from the movie before they released it. That would surprise me. I don't know

anything about that. It would surprise me that they would tinker with Kubrick's work. It would be more likely that he would leave it in such a state that it could not be edited. That's what he's known for burning negatives so that there can be no alteration. You know burning all the alternate cuts and all the outtakes and all that shit. I've seen it. I don't like it. It's just not for me. I didn't like the subject matter.

The film's fine. I just don't like the subject matter. You know what I mean? Like, like it's a well made movie. It's about something I don't care to see. Yeah, I guess like a secret pervert sex society like, yeah, and, and then Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman have this weird thing in their relationship and they were married at the time so it and that's why he cast him I'm sure I'm sure it's a big part of it

divorce shortly after that they did they did my you were asked the Dark Horse Tom Cruise movie is collateral you ever see that where Jamie Foxx is dry Jamie Foxx is a cab driver Tom Cruise is a hit man in town for the night and Jamie Foxx is driving. He's like driving me all night. I'll give you his hands like two grand. He's like, okay. I love that movie, but I hate the way that it's shot. Like the digital, it just doesn't look good, but he is fantastic in that movie. I linked like a short clip there. It's called the, if anybody listening wants to see it, it's a quick little thing. It's called the collateral hip draw. And it's just Tom Cruise getting in a quick little gunfight in the movie Eight you could tell he trained a train to train for that

I always appreciate that when it looks like they know how to handle a weapon or throw a punch or like sink a choke or Whatever, you know like like so he's he's a real stickler for details like Michael Mann films He's known for the Mozambique drill read two to the chest and one to the head or in heat When like FBI uses the film, you know FBI has like uses that that scene from from from heat to show the fucking tactical reload that Val Kilmer does Like there's lots of cool cool shit in Michael Mann movies. He's he heat is another one of those It's three fucking hours long. But if you don't mind, you know those it's three fucking hours long but if you don't mind you know it's three hours of good shit it's deniro i think he's developing a sequel for that

i hope deniro's not in it deniro needs to retire yeah dude that that picture of him where he's wearing like eight inch platform shoes in the irishman walking down the street it's like a candid shot in between takes is so funny Like he's so fucking old When he attacks that guy outside of the like corner bodega or whatever Yeah, like he he has John McCain arms. He's got John McCain arms He can't like be active or anything that I should have put his face CGI on a different actor like the ages face and then stick it on an actor who can act like like it look at that And that's next to Al Pacino

Old men like he was he was really good in killers of the flower moon, but I'm a bit of a What's-his-name Stan? Who's that? Why am I blanking on the director's name right now? Jesus Christ? Scorsese. Yeah, she's not fucking Christ I'm getting old guys. I'm remember and I'm forgetting fucking names like that like Martin fucking Scorsese That's okay. You got a lot on your mind that happens to great people to just saying yeah But I mean if I if I come up with a film trivia thing before you do Anyone here it is a sign something's up. Yeah. Because I don't know any movies or anything. I don't watch any movies.

I've got a new topic. You guys see, I just saw it today, but maybe it happened yesterday. And I didn't know that CEO got shot in New York. What is it? Denied something. Denied, deposed. Defend? Does that sound right? No. Denied, defend, depose? Denied. Something denied to pose defend is that sound right now deny defend to pose tonight I bet I'm gonna google it while instead of a little you know what I mean? I wrote it on the bullet casings. I just finally like an hour ago saw I defend the video

You're right like it took me forever to find the actual video I've got it here if any of you wants to see like really you know it's a murder. Yeah, it's everywhere I saw it early today. It's not a gory thing well, but well in all the I've got it here if any of you wants to see like really it's a murder. Yeah, it's Early today, it's not gore Well, but well in all the all the news agencies go and the rest is too graphic for us to show Don It's like look up. That's why I'm here. That's why I clicked through your ad you jerk. So I Is it loading for you guys? If I don't know. It was playing on mine.

In any case, there's something interesting going on where very much fired all your staff. Sorry, Kyle. Very much like when that billionaire exploded in his nonsense submarine and everybody like lolled.

Same things happen in here because this guy seems to be a real scummy piece of shit and nobody except for his family cares that this happened to him. They said that this was the guy responsible for that AI that was denying like 90% of claims and they knew that it was like fraudulent like like it was denying 90% of claims and they knew that it was a problem because they weren't. They shouldn't be denied. And they allowed it to continue anyway. Like that company's profits last quarter was in the multi billions of dollars. I forget the number.

Maybe they made 8 billion profit last quarter, like something like that. So this guy who shot him is a hundred percent my I'm sure we all agree someone who was damaged by the CEO's choices. Yeah, I got John one's plan. It's a John Q situation. He's had enough. Yes. Have we heard from Jodie Foster about it though?

Like maybe she incentivized some of this, you know, she put out some what am I missing? I don't know. Isn't that the John Hinckley? Who was the person that John Hinckley was impressed with? Maybe she incentivized some of this, you know, she put out some. What am I missing? I don't know. Isn't that the John Hinckley? Who was the person that John Hinckley was trying to impress with Reagan? That was Jodie Fox. There was also another guy who killed himself on a live stream trying to impress her. So there's something about her that brings a lot of people.

She's magnetic. And she's a lesbian, I think. So these guys are like, she's the main topic. Yeah. Is it good or bad that the CEO was murdered? It's bad. I'm going to say it's bad. It's bad.

I don't think. Well, hang on. Like, add a qualifier, add a qualifier. Is it good or bad for. Well, let's make the world a better place or not. It's not going to have any impact on the healthcare industry. It's not going to lead to any on the health care industry. It's not going to lead to any, like, reforms.

And I'm there's I'm deeply uncomfortable with people celebrating like that kind of barbarism. Like if the dude was corrupt or whatever, then, you know, he's mutilated. I believe in the process. And I'm like, don't do that. But I just think it like portent. It doesn't portend well if we're descending into a society that that celebrates that stuff

I'm going to be the debbie downer and say I don't like it No, no, I did see like uh that not that this is directly related But in missouri and a few other states united or some other health care program was set to enact like a new Regulation in new york new york new york missouri and maybe another state or two where they would only cover anesthesia for a certain amount of time and surgery. And then after that point, they were just going to bill it directly to you. Say there's a complication, something goes wrong, or maybe the surgeon's just slow, he's tired.

Like now you're on the hook for anesthesia and in our system, that's inordinately expensive. They pulled that as if something huge happened in the last day. I don't think it had anything to do with this though. The governor or the mayor, is it mayor? As if something as if something huge happened in the last I don't think it had anything to do with this though the governor Or the mayor is it mayor? Is hoechl the mayor or the governor of new york? He's not the mayor. He's not the governor. Mayor. He's not the mayor. Yeah mayors adam's Okay. Yeah, so the so the mayor hoechl she was talking about how she was putting a bunch of pressure on that I think it was just the timing. I think it was just like

Really incredibly funny timing could you can't deny this is gonna bring a lot of eyes onto that company and so they're going to straighten up at the very least and if they have any controversial policies you would imagine that those would get straightened up as well it's awful that that happened that's not the way you want to see change I was interested to see the gun it's like I was interested in Japan got assassinated yeah I'm glad you mentioned that because the Abe assassination was was a homemade weird funky shotgun that someone had crafted It's like a borderlands gun like a borderlands gun. I think it was electrical Impulse fired like electricity was igniting power powder that was shooting sort of like a

Crude cannon shotgun type thing. Did you hear about why he was assassinated? It has to do with him, the guy who assassinated him, that guy's mother I think had given all of her his inheritance and her monies to a religion, to that religion that Shinzo like shills for. Right. What religion was that? Some sort of Catholic Japanese, Christian Japanese sort of thing. I don't know. It sounded to me like one of those, you know, telemark, televangelist scam type things were in like a lot of money, like maybe millions, a lot of money.

It's been years since that happened. But in any case, the the homemade firearm, I think that was a homemade gun that the guy in New York was using. it looked really weird to me and i noticed that manually reloaded after he'd shot too and people are accusing him of like this fucking amateur he didn't use the wrong suppressor and and then i saw other gun nuts being like no it's meant to do that and do you have an do you have an opinion on that was he yeah gone well or i mean he knew what he was doing But but people but knowing what you're doing is is you know like an hour's worth of practice people always act like that's John wick

We're talking about the New York Okay, yeah, I guess the news reported it as he was competent He apparently he had a malfunction in the gun and he just cleared it like like he had practiced it you disagree No other people were saying you had to manually like put the put another round on the chamber Yeah, you had to move the slide forward. Yeah, it wasn't I guess it wasn't kicking back enough to you know activate the action Kyle Phyllis in no no no keep keep guessing everyone No, I didn't guess I just told you what the news today I didn't I haven't seen it Yeah, it had to do with the suppressor and it was like stopping that okay you go ahead Kyle I refuse now I'm not even gonna say I'm not even wanna know I like I seriously want to know now. I'll text you later

I'm not going to answer it Like an answer how the gun worked. It was my topic the whole point was to meet explains Kyle I want you to fill me in. A rub, a bum, a street urchin on why this happened the way it did. From the mouth of an expert. I've been trying for 10 minutes, Taylor. They won't let me.

Telling me it's great. Who's they? I'm not going to fight the powers that be, Taylor. I'll help you. If they start talking, I'll say, you be quiet and let this guy talk. I'm waiting to shut him down, Kyle. Get him, Taylor. Oh my god. It looked like a homemade gun, probably a homemade silencer. He's cycling it immediately, which isn't a malfunction. A

malfunction is when the gun is, oh no, it didn't do a thing. Let me figure out what that is and then fix it. But he doesn't have to do the figure it out thing. He knows that every time he fires, he has to cycle the gun. Right. And so it's essentially a pump action pistol at that point. Now that's a thing that could happen with a non-homemade gun. There are guns that have little clicker

that locks the slide in place so it doesn't actuate while firing suppressed. It's more quieter that way, but then of course you have to hand slide and operate the gun. It looked to me like a homemade gun, homemade silencer that he was operating like he knew what he was doing, I guess, but that doesn't mean John Wick. I hate that. When I saw CNN, me like, oh, were we thinking some sort of assassin, some sort of professional hit man, perhaps flown in for nefarious purposes. And the guy's like, no, probably just a guy who could shoot a pistol.

So it looks like to me, Jan. Well, we have a video. I had a homemade gun. I didn't. You can get my friends are from New York. They have tons of guns. No, it might be hard to get a suppressor in New York Maybe it is could be yeah According to what Anthony Kumia used to rant about on the ONA show back in the day It was borderline impossible to get a suppressor in New York

Wasn't there a court case recently where the we're a federal judge or even that maybe the Supreme Court ruled that? Silencers can't be regulated that much or am I making that up? Um, I'm not familiar with that So you to get a silencer you still got to do the tax stamp and the waiting period and everything get approved through ATF but um I would imagine if you're buying a pistol in New York That's gonna be a registered firearm and you're gonna have to go through a waiting process and it's gonna be tied to you Whereas you could print a gun that would that would be very simple and you could

print a suppressor that would be very simple or even just make them, you know, with parts without a 3D printer and you've got a ghost gun. That's what they call it. I hate when they call it that, but essentially that's what you've got. Can't you buy a gun at a state? The printed guns are pretty flimsy, right? Like you only get like a few uses out of them or has the material improved for 3D? The materials improved with the 3d printing stuff

But especially with a pistol he'd be fine, but but I don't think that's even good I don't know that it's a 3d printed gun It just looked like the fact that he was cycling it and basically had a pump action pistol Didn't press or make the cycle action work worse I think he would work better Better would be more pressure on the when you what can happen is you if you're using subsonic rounds? Or say nine millimeter They don't have enough pop to to cycle the gun

Or maybe the gun isn't isn't dialed in correctly to use that little amount of gas. Maybe you can adjust the springer or the gas opening or something else to make the smaller amount of gas cycle the weapon. Tell me if this makes sense. Like I watched some gun guy today on Twitter who was saying that to him it looked like not an assassin, like a novice kind of guy. And his theory was that it was some like homemade or perhaps like low quality gun that was shooting 22. And so there's not nearly enough ass on it to blow it back.

And he was doing that shit where like when you're new with handguns, you know how you often shoot low because you're like holding it lower than your line of sight and then you're trying to line up lower than your line of sight. There was no way to aim. He had a point. So I think like he hit the guy in the back of the leg or like the ass or something on the first shot. Like he wasn't far enough away.

Like in this guy's whole point was like if this guy was a trained assassin, there's no incentive to not walk up with one round in the chamber and just back of the head, one shot and then keep walking. It looked like you got him in the back first. Yeah. He shot too low either like lower back or like ass cheek or something. Yep. Yep. He definitely did. Um, I don't think it was 22 because they said he wrote on the casings and you'd have to be a goddamn like tiny person to write on a 22 casing. That's a good argument. I didn't think it was 22 because they said he wrote on the casings and you'd have to be a goddamn like tiny person to write on 22 casing. That's a good argument. I didn't consider that. Even to write on a nine millimeter casing like he must have been in his hotel room last night,

his hostel room going, being so careful putting a five or six letter word. What is it? What were the words denied? What's one of the words? That depose is squiggly. They're going to find dismember in his hotel room like 30 failed attempts on the floor. There's going to be a bunch of things like written on bullets that he thought was cool. And on this day, he gives up, like realizes he's not going to get that. Apparently, deny, defend, depose are common terms in the insurance agency to denote, deny the claim, defend the lawsuit, depose the patient. It's a book about that subject.

Okay. I didn't know. I love a book. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder. Oh, go ahead. Oh, I was going to do like a, like a wrap around like, like kind of thing. But if you've got more, I was was just gonna head back to where I started which was like is this a good for the world? Right is this a did a bad person just get murdered right if he if he is the monster that the internet says he is And there's no better source than reddit then Then maybe it puts other bad people on notice question Should there be, like if you're a billionaire who makes his living killing people in an awkward way, in a roundabout way, maybe start providing better service?

It's not like it's not a good first world. It's not good good first world, like it's, it's not good when first world countries start having like people assassinated in broad daylight. Like that, that's usually indicative of more violence to come. But I also like, when I heard the story and I read it, like there was a part of me that was like, all right, if this was like some run of the mill fucking businessman or a plumber or an electrician, like in my head, it would be more tragic. It's like, oh, that's just a guy working, doing his shit day to day,

as opposed to like a multi-multi-millionaire who genuinely makes his bones and has every incentive to shut down people who have cancer from getting money to pay for their cancer treatment. You know, they said how much money this guy made. It was outrageous. See, $100,000 a week or some shit. But he the reward is $10,000.

Right. Yeah. For a company that made like $100 billion a year or something like that. More than 50 billion. CEO is one of the most easily replaced positions in large companies. Ten thousand dollars. Ten thousand. that has come this weekend. More than 50 billion. CEO is one of the most easily replaced positions in large companies. $10,000. I don't want you to know that.

$10,000. That's what they throw up when a kid goes missing in the park, dude. $10,000? Right? Yeah. Also, so I was looking at it through the other lens, but she's like, man, this guy seems to be getting

better law enforcement than I would. If I was murdered, there'd be some part-time cop adding me to his caseload, and and here it's like NYPD blue is NYPD is circling around this thing making sure that this is their top priority in the whole department and To me I'm like dude a pedo got killed. I don't even look for the killer Now he's not literally a pedo. That's not what I'm saying, but a pedo quality person has been removed from the planet I don't mind worry about damn about the possible of

kind of if this kind of violence is like just just treated with like unbridled like enthusiasm then then you wonder if people are gonna start relying on violence for more adult and sort Of like dubious reasons so like you know they kill their boss because they don't like them and etc, etc, etc it was just like Like what uh Taylor was saying like in a first world country. You don't you generally don't want people Doing vigilante acts of murder to deal with these to deal with these issues. It would be much better to do Don't tell me what I want

Only I'm inside my is what I want. All right. Only I'm inside my mind and I want this. Like I, I totally see where like the reason that lots of people who have probably had their lives destroyed by medical debt are like, you know what? This doesn't make me sad. I don't have to be sad about this. And it's like, all right, like I get it.

Like they wouldn't, those same people wouldn't be acting this way if this was a random murder of an accountant in Manhattan. Like no one would be like excited about it. No one, like people would be like, oh, what the fuck? Like you just killed some like dude who worked at H&R Block or you killed some fucking plumber. Like our nation's heroes, Our nation's heroes are accountants. Everyone knows they're cool. They're smart. Big digs. The most hung of occupations other than the, other than the Indian guys, they bring the average down.

I mean, I feel like the, the accountants will be the unsung heroes soon when the Doge boys go to cutting on the Pentagon. They, I, they said, again, they're looking for two trillion to cut out of the budget, which is insanity mode. But what I like is they're getting this bipartisan sort of support because guys like Fetterman and guys like Sanders are like, yeah, you're cutting the budget, huh? Well, I got a little list here. Yeah, they're targeting. I think they're targeting. What's his name? Vivek and Elon are targeting I got a little list here. Yeah

What's his name Vivek and Elon are targeting the Like administrative state the staffing but even if you fired literally every federal worker in the entire government I think that would represent something like two to five percent of our entire federal bureaucracy budget So okay. Yeah, if they're gonna cut two trillion dollars, it's hard to imagine that that doesn't come from the Pentagon, Medicare, and Medicaid. Those are our three biggest sources of spending in the federal budget. Those are the guys who like every nine years or so, the Pentagon is like up for financial review and they're like guys, I know we promised last time and I am so super sorry about it.

We lost, we lost, we lost $1.1 trillion. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. How much do they get each year? Is it like 900 billion though? Has it gotten up to a trillion? Do you know how many times the Pentagon has been audited? We get way too much from that.

They were audited or weren't they slated to have an audit on September 12th, 2001? I believe the Pentagon has only been audited seven times ever and they have never passed an audit No, because it's a corrupt organization So it'd be good to go in there and uh and start cutting Um, i'd like to do some exploring I hope it's sending sending guys with fucking flashlights and make sure offices are actually where they're supposed to be I hope they're like checking how many pencils people have checked out. I hope they send in guys with fucking flashlights and make sure offices are actually where they're supposed to be. I hope they're like,

checking how many pencils people have checked out. I hope they're seeing like every little scratch. I think it's brilliant. Here's my question for you. Elon's history says that he finds expense cuts kind of indiscriminately, right? He just, you know what? So fucking places bloated.

Half of you are gone. That's not true. So I heard this recently on a podcast. When he took over Twitter, he had a day where he worked some ungodly amount of hours, continuously, they said. And he had every employee show up and every one of them got five minutes. What are you working on right now?

And- And like what have you done in the last week or something? No, he'd asked every one of them, what are you working on right now? And what can we do to improve the company? And he started cutting people right then and they're like, oh, you're fired. And there's no way to hide from that, right? You go in there and you tell them, and I'm sure there's people he's got assistance and like, can verify these people are doing what they're saying they're doing or whatever. So I kind of like that from that. Here's where I take, let's pretend that you, Kyle, are an ineffective employee.

And I say, Kyle, defend your position to me. I'm gonna finish that five minutes fucking sold, flattered. Like you are gonna keep your job because you're good at selling yourself. And then you could have some other guy who doesn't have that same talent who might be more useful to the company, but he's like, uh, you know

I i'm working on like a couple of things and like just not able to sell himself You can't tell me what you're working on. I don't want you here. I don't care how good you are at it Kyle's point of like this review process my understanding of it was that elon Was asking for like specific deliverables over the past week where he asked something like What can we do to make Twitter better? And what's, can you tell me something you've accomplished over the past week? Like what's a project you undertook and like what has been completed? And it turns out in government and a lot of these big tech companies, there are a ton of people skating by and doing that. Like the shit Woody and I've talked about a million times where it's like one dude is working his fucking fingers to the bone and then eight other guys are not giving a shit, just phoning it,

just sitting on meetings on mute with the camera off while they're playing games. And so you can, like anyone who's gone to a DMV or like any government office has looked around and been like, you can almost identify it in real time. You can be like that lady's on the fucking ball. She's running everywhere. That guy's on the ball. He's running everywhere. He's helping three different windows. And then there's a group of seven people back there that have not moved away

from the water cooler the entire 30 minutes I've been waiting here. What are those seven people doing? Well, yeah, if you can figure out who's who in five minutes, then that's impressive. I imagine I'd have like a be right two thirds of the time. Well, yeah, if you can figure out who's who in five minutes, then that's impressive. I imagine I'd have like a Be right two-thirds of the time Well to the to the extent that you can you can eliminate redundancies or or get get rid of unnecessary bloat I don't disagree with that in in principle, but again that represents such a tiny sliver of our budget I look like I'm looking at our budget right now. It's six point seven five trillion

one point four six for Social Security nine point 912 billion for health so and then 882 billion is for net interest. We're paying on our on our debt 870 870 worry about that for Medicare 874 billion for national defense. Well there's lots of things. That's a huge blanket. National defense.

I think there's like a five or eight billion dollar subsidy slash loan for Rivian this year and I love that Elon Musk gets to decide if they get it or not. Like I don't think Rivian needs that loan. And do they? Aren't they like doing just fine? Don't they have that bad ass pickup truck? Do they need eight billion dollars worth of federal government subsidy like I'm not gonna Bob Rivian you don't think it's a

No a massive conflict of interest to have someone who is the beneficiary of government subsidies actually wielding very real influence on No, no more than I think competitors No more than I think the people deciding who we go to war with have massive holdings in Lockheed Martin and Raytheon and shit Like okay, but no what about is I agree like do you do you see that as a potential conflict event? I see it as an immediate. Yeah, I could see that's why I brought it up. Yeah Kyle loves it. No, no Kyle sees the conflict of interest and loves it because it's just even it's fun.

Fuck Rivian. Fuck Rivian. Fuck your stupid truck. Oh, it's got a grill in it. Does it? Well, you don't need a loan this year, do you? You should be selling like hotcakes. Oh, the hotcakes that you make

inside your fucking Rivian truck, loser. And guess what? The front of your trucks is ugly. It's ugly as shit. It looks bad. It's too slim. It's not bulky enough. Not a fan. The interior to Rivian is ugly. It's ugly as shit. It looks bad. It's too slim. It's not bulky enough. Not a fan.

The interior is a Rivian. The lights are weird. No thanks, Rivian. I've been in a Rivian. I loved it. Yeah, they're still in Rivian. I've been in a Rivian. The only one of us with any experience. He's like, oh, that's pretty nice.

I watched the whole, I watched the long ass video. I was super impressed. It's crazy. It's like an 8,000 pound truck that accelerates like a Corvette. And somehow you can feel the mass of it. And it's, it was pretty neat. It was pretty neat.

It's expensive though. I like the way the Rivian trucks look. Only a tiny bit more than I like how the cyber trucks look. I just, I can't, I dislike the like how the cyber trucks look. I just I can't I Dislike the look of the cyber truck so much. It's it's so jarring and ugly every time I see it on the road It's like a fun novelty, but it's aesthetically displeasing. It's ugly. It's angular It's like it's like a it's like if you used like brutalist architecture or architecture to create a car my whole life I've been programmed that cars

have two headlights and like a vented grill in the middle and that's like the only thing in common across every car everywhere and now that they need aerodynamics and not cooling in the front, it changes the look of it and I think to myself like we're solving a different problem, it can look different, it's okay. There's kind of a big issue with that design and somebody was I feel like there's a lot of like bullshit videos on twitter people complaining about Elon's products but but for for the cyber truck they kind of bury the light like in the grill and if you're driving in the snow and the snow accumulates it actually blocks the light which seems like a really big flaw. It needs a defroster on it they need like there's going gonna be so many little things like that that they didn't think about it needs a defrosting bar on the lights

To melt the snow out of it Hmm. I mean they had that that pedal issue, right? Did they get that rectified? Well, alright, so when we say rectified what they did was you took it in and they shut you know what a pop rivet gun is For this story I do Fixed they just they just nailed it bolted on there. They nailed the offending piece to the floor. It's what they did I don't like that. I don't want a high-tech car with nails in it Well, it doesn't have nails as pop rivets, but you don't know what those fucking are Soft-handed city boy

know what those fucking are soft-handed city boy grandpa knows what a pop are gonna be cut two trillion dollars he's got a pneumatic no I don't know as soon as I hear that number hutch I say smoocher I'm like you know what they say two trillion they don't really mean two trillion they're just saying that for effect what they really mean is two billion. And, and I better be more than that. To very little. Yeah. I know. I know. But I don't know how much there is to cut. I agree with the core of what you're saying. Like he's doing, like, this is literally and we've talked about this. I don't want to stay on it. But like,

this is how negotiations work. You set the anchor point high or low depending on what you're doing. And then you move from there when he says he's gonna cut two trillion. Yeah, 100. You think Elon Musk doesn't know how to negotiate? I think this is all Elon. He's not very good at business. I don't think he's great at it. No, I think he's uh, I think he knows a little about it. What I think Elon Musk is that he's marketing and streamlining. I think he's good at marketing and streamlining and very little else. Don't fact check me. He's clearly good at more than that

because otherwise you could look at a bigger budget organization like NASA and like bigger per capita breakout, the successes they've had comparatively. A bigger budget organization? What do you mean? Then what? Like then SpaceX, for example.

So like the thing that was holding back NASA from doing these like returning rockets and whatnot wasn't brain power. It wasn't sheer brain power because they had that at NASA. It's organization. It's getting people in the right thing in the right organizational structure to actually work on the right things. It was in the nationality.

What did what SpaceX did? The whole idea of the reusable thing. They shit on him at NASA. There's a video of them making fun of him the same way there are videos of them making fun of Trump. And they showed him a clip of, I think Buzz Aldrin or somebody being like, saying that SpaceX was a waste of time

and that it led money away from where it should be. And with NASA, Elon cried. They showed him that interview during his interview and he teared up. It was like, dude, don't do that to him. Don't show him Buzz Aldrin shitting on him. That's awful. It was so like hurt by that.

One of my favorite things about Elon Musk is like furthering the space shit. Of course. Like there needs to be more exploration of space. That's cool. It's fun. Like I used to like be strongly on the team of like, let's explore all the oceans,

because that's cooler to me intrinsically. Like I'd rather know what's happening in the deep than like what's happening way out in space because it's closer to us. But we're not gonna get the ocean exploration thing unless he becomes autistic for the sea, which I don't anticipate. And so I'm just gonna enjoy the new frontier of the space.

Well, my problem with SpaceX is he's not exploring, right? It the new frontier of the space. Well, my problem is not exploring right? It's NASA who does the exploration Elon Musk's flights are so low. They're basically airplanes NASA is going to Jupiter and Mars and Pluto and beyond the solar system NASA is doing real science Elon Musk is delivering payloads to low-earth orbit and he's promising when it comes to like Mars colonization, for example, that would be a multi trillion dollar project.

So you got to find funding for that. And this is what Neil deGrasse Tyson said the other day, got him in some hot water, but he's right. Like you need to find what, like $5 trillion and who's going to invest in that? What is the return on that investment? Nothing. So like, I don't know if we're going to see this great colonization of Mars anytime soon. So I watched that clip of Neil deGrasse Tyson as well. And it's like, I was

shocked to see someone who's supposed to be like a scientist so disinterested in like trying to further a lot of this stuff and turning it into numbers of like immediate ROI. So what are you talking about? What was the immediate ROI on making Pluto not a planet? Why'd you spend so much time on that? What was the immediate ROI on that, Neil? It's just practical consideration. So like, how do you get around that? Like who is going to fund this great colonization project on Mars? No, he can't fund that. And so like, I'm not that invested in the colonization of Mars immediately It doesn't seem like that's even feasible or possible Mars seems like a total shithole But it's cool to see someone trying to get us further up there

And I mean in the furtherance of getting more stuff into space for more exploration It seems as though these reusable rockets are incredibly useful No, it's like shit is fucking cool. Like I said, it's like 20 times cheaper or something like that. It's way, maybe 60 times was the number. It was crazy how much cheaper. And just to be clear, they're working together.

Like the plan, I know we joke about the moon mission and how it gets put off five years every five years. Every year. But the plan is that Blue Origin is going to build part of the lander and that Blue Origin is going to build part of the lander and that Musk with SpaceX is going to build part of the lander and NASA is going to fly it. Like it's a group effort for whatever moon or Mars or manned exploration big projects are going to be done. But besides that... SpaceX also contracts with like other countries as well, right?

It's not just NASA. Like I feel like they do contract and work for sure as well. Yeah, anything you if you want a satellite up there, the cheapest way to get it done is Musk. Mm hmm. Yeah. Are there any other countries like kicking our ass in the space? Not even right now. I wouldn't think there's anyone even in the vicinity of us. China's constantly more more stuff. I think Japan is the one that had that is called Hayabusa or something. They're the ones who sent the probe out to the asteroid. And then they landed on the asteroid, grabbed a sample, took off from the

asteroid, shot the sample back to Earth. And now it's currently flying to a different asteroid to do the same shit. And we got all these little and not when it landed, it took pictures. So like it landed for a split second. You believe it. It lands. It grabs a bunch of grabs a bunch of his pockets. It takes a bunch of pictures and then it jumps back off and like headed to a new thing. And they've got those samples back and they've tested them. And it's interesting. Like I like this is respect. This is totally not for my yard.

We're not getting we're not getting tricked the way we tricked Denmark. Get owned Denmark. Do you remember that? I like that. No, I know somebody who tested one of the samples. It was the Netherlands or some country like that where we went over there and we're like, Netherlands, we love you guys so much. Here's a piece of the moon. And they're like, oh, that love you guys so much. Here's a piece of the moon. And they're like, oh, that is so cool of you.

Thank you so much. And then like years later, someone in the Netherlands researched it and is like, we have been hoodwinked. This is petrified wood. Yeah, we literally tricked the country with petrified wood. Get a load of this fucking. No. Well, all right. So nobody knows what really happened.

Like maybe we gave him a real moon rock and some fucking goober in over there stuck, snuck in, did the switcheroo on them. You know, I like to believe that we're on the up and up. No, we would. They wouldn't allow that to be stolen. It's like the Netherlands. They don't get a lot like they'd be. So you think it's more likely that we're liars or that they're bad at keeping up with. I think we I think we played a little fun joke on another country and that's fine

we we are we are right with fucking moon rocks we got them like coming out of our shirt sleeves and stuff I Biden's got one is fucking off it's a big one does he yeah okay he's like that's from the moon back in my day we didn't allow black people on the map we weren't sent in there wasn't right we kind of didn't and then he and then he whispers to you like i can't what i said what do you what do you want why you want to go to the moon why don't you want to touch my legs rub rub the hair bad they get blonde in the summer with all the sun oh they get so blind in the summer the black the sun. Oh, it's so blind in the summer. The black kids walk out.

They'd be marveling at my legs. You get it. I say, get out of here. You're not a lot more a month of Biden content. So, oh, no, only one. He's going to get his own. You think he's retiring? No, he's going to do Monday Night Football. Did he become like a John Madden character?

I wonder how much longer he's gonna live. Oh, once you get above 80, it's a crap shoot. Like probably not long. I keep predicting both of them are gonna die and I keep being wrong. Has Jimmy Carter even died yet? No, that's another one I'm wrong about. They haven't told him yet. This guy has been on hospice for like two years.

Yeah. Hospice is usually when they bring you into like, OK, the end is nigh. Yeah. And that one picture of him came out recently, too. Or it was like, yeah, that was fucked up of them. His family. From fallout. That was that was fucked up with his family taking that picture. Yeah. Yeah, that was rude.

And also, like, I don't know if you heard this, Hutch seems like you have, he apparently for over a year now, like a year and a half is totally incapable of any form of communication. Like even like blinking and moving, like he's, he's been nonverbal for years. He like doesn't, isn't giving like indicators back that he's understanding. Like he's like totally non-responsive at this point, which is like back that he's understanding like he's like totally non-responsive at this point, which is like one of the scarier ways to imagine dying almost like you're a hundred sure that's pretty cool but like oh i'm glad you brought that up so there was a guy that came out of a coma he's one of these movie cases the guy has been in a coma for like 10 years or some shit he says he remembered uh the

whole time he could hear everybody talking in the room He said his mom his mom who is dead now when he finally came out of the coma his mom is dead But he remembers his mom being by his bed and saying I wish you'd die. Oh I'm looking at an article right now that said that his his family said that he could still communicate as recently as October to get darker than that. They wouldn't he couldn't talk on the phone is what they were saying I thought I saw something from his family that they said he's He was nonverbal so maybe he has good days and bad days, I don't know I Mine was from 11 months ago. Oh, yeah, he slays it picture anything or is he just old as fuck? Oh, say that again. Does he have cancer or anything or is he just old as fuck?

I think he's just old as fuck. Yeah. At that age, like you probably have all sorts of cancers just cropping up. Like you're a hundred in large prostate. Yeah. In large prostate. He's not coming enough. No one's, his, his caretaker isn't beating him off. I heard that one out of three men die of cancer. Is that true? Hope so. That seems like a nice way to go, right? That seems like a terrible way to go. right? That seems like a terrible way to go. Although in the world of ways to go one and OK, so would you rather?

I mean, if you cancer or war, you have to pick. It says one of two men will develop cancer in their life. Anything else one in men, one in nine men will die from cancer. Half the people on this show have had cancer already. That's right. We whooped its ass. That's true. And yeah, they had very from cancer. Half the people in the show have had cancer already. That's right. We whooped its ass. That's true. And yeah, they had very serious cancer. Kyle and I broke that cancer.

I had eye cancer. What kind of cancer did you have? What is it called? Basal cell carcinoma. Basal cell carcinoma. Did you do a cancer screening? No, I had a little mole. He had to put his tit in the machine.

My whole dick. It's getting, it's getting pushed flat. God, that was suck. No, I had a mole on my eyelid. Like it was unsightly and it started off being really tiny. And I even thought it was a, like a, like a pimple that I needed a pop or maybe a stye but it was a mole and it kept getting bigger and bigger and I was like I gotta get this thing taken off it's gross looking and they were like oh don't worry I see a lot of skin cancer and this is not skin cancer and I was like sweet and then like three weeks later I'm with my dad

at my house we're like watching movies and stuff and they and that that doctor's office calls me and they're like, Hey, the doctor like cancer, he'd like you to come in, he wants to talk and I'm like, you tell him to get on the phone right now. Like you tell him get on the phone. Mr. Myers, sit down for this. You're gay. No, no. Yeah. Look at that. Yeah. That was rough. And so I, I, I, uh, the leader of the proud boys guy, dude, he looked sick.

It's sick. I liked his eye patch. Look, I've still got the eye patch. Um, but, but, but yeah, they were, they were, I got the doctor on the phone. He's like, yeah, it's fucking cancer It's not the bad kind though, but we should Get after it real quick because it grows quickly and it can metastasize. So I had to have a second incredibly painful eyelid surgery This one was much more invasive. The first one they just sort of shaved off the offending mole and left a huge wound. The second time they had to cut a pizza slice out of my eyelid and they had to cut like over here

like straight toward my ear so they had enough slack to put my eyelid back together. Because you know when they take the pizza slice out of the eyelid now the eyelids not big enough to go back together. So that was excruciating that really hurts like little tendrils on the inside right like it goes much further than the surface Yeah, I think the inner workings of the molar or a mystery to mankind one that I don't intend to delve into anytime Didn't you know they wouldn't work on me? Didn't you remove a mole or a skin tag or something like that with nail clippers once? I did, I was in New York City. And for whatever reason, that's when I noticed it. I was in New York in my hotel room

and I noticed that on my rib cage on my right side, I had a skin tag and I had never had anything like that before in my life. I had to google what it was and it's just like I have to right now what the fuck is that it's like it's like a weird mole it's like a flat mole yeah yeah yeah it's like hanging off and I was so disgusted by it being on my body that I got some nail clippers and I cut slash tore it off my body. How much did that hurt? You know pains weird I think I think I think the worst part was knowing I was about to do it to myself and like like getting myself Yeah, you know, but but there's something for the tea. Oh, yeah, this is years ago

Yeah, it's years and years ago at the Kyle of today having injected himself for a long time would be more prepared to remove It's just rip it right off. Yeah. Yeah Maybe maybe I just go to the doctor It was the whole thing was I was in New York and I was going to be there for a week and then I had another Trip after that I couldn't get to a dermatologist Anytime soon and I was genuinely disgusted by this thing on my body so I took it all. I want to tell my cancer story. So mine was on my nose right where your glasses sit like where the paddy glasses would sit and no it looked like a very small wound like maybe a popped

pimple or something and I think I got it after sleeping in my glasses. So it was like kind of pressed against it. And then it just wouldn't heal. It wouldn't heal. For months, I had the most insignificant little wound that made it so I couldn't wear glasses and couldn't see as well as I wanted to. And like, you know, it'd get like a little better.

I'd wear glasses again, it would unheal. It just wasn't healing. And I went to the dermatologist for it and immediately she's like, oh yeah, this is cancer. This is gonna be cancer, I'm gonna send it in, but let's book the removal of this because this is what I do and I can see that you have cancer.

And there's a special kind of plastic surgeon who specializes in like nose cancel remover, nose cancer removal. And it was great. So they put you under or whatever, like a little under, they remove some literally next door, like six feet away from me. They test it to see if they got clean margins. They didn't, they took a little bit more,

got clean margins, sewed me up with, and there's a plastic surgeon putting my nose back together. I was nervous because the swelling and such was grotesque I think I missed one show so you guys didn't see like the worst worst of it like I had it done on a Monday or something so I could have the maximum healing and I was bruised and I didn't recognize myself a swollen forehead nose area Changes your look to I was somebody different than me, but you can't really see anything now. It's fine Now you guys both feel my nose

Maybe the crinkles aren't exactly the same as they were pre surgery, but it's fine I raised a bunch of money for my cancer. How much do you get? Oh, oh, it's how I bought my Tesla. That's the pros. Imagine if we'd done that. Well, this happened like a while ago, but I literally had your story of ripping off a skin tag in my head while I did this. I like something like popped up in like the neck shoulder region, just like that was clearly like, didn't belong there to the point that like I looked over and I was like, what the fuck is, is this thing popping up? And I was like, Oh, this is probably a skin tag. Like Kyle talked about,

maybe I should get nail clippers looked around, couldn't find my nail clippers. And so I was like, I bet if I just like use my hands, I can just rip this off of my body. And I, uh, good to do. Well, because I know what I did is I like, I like went into the mirror and I was like, yeah, and like ripped it as hard as I could. And what it like blood like did is, oh, the amount of blood all over me was insane. Like just it was dripping down the front and the backside of me. And I'm like, all right, well, this is alarming.

This is more blood than I expected. But I like ripped it off. And then I saw like that thing you were talking about, Hutch, where like, I guess there's like a stalk that like goes back in. So I tore off, I de-gloved whatever it was and then threw like, and it wasn't like, no, what I did next, it's so fucking gross, what I did next is I spent like 20 minutes in my bathroom being like, you're in too deep, get in there. And so I just kept ripping. I rip, rip and tear until there was, until there was a smooth feeling on my neck and shoulder area, or I guess more shoulder guy from I just ripped and tear. And then I was like, All right, this looks really bad. I went and took a shower. It stung a lot because and I was like, Okay, maybe I like took off a whole bunch of skin within like four days. It was there was no

indication that had ever occurred. Like a day later, it was like, oh, there's a tiny little bump there. Maybe I didn't rip it all off enough. And then two days later, it's like, oh, whatever bump there was that's gone now. Problem solved, as I say. This is like a scene from a fucking David Cronenberg body. I was going to say it basically was I just I was covered in blood in my own bathroom at midnight. I was just, I was high and for no reason, like I was in my bathroom changing after a shower should have done this before a shower and was just like, you know what, that thing right there, if I can notice it right now, other people can, if I'm sure this is getting done.

Cause I feel like when I spoke to you last, you had just started smoking. Like you didn't smoke when you were younger. Me? You're thinking of somebody. No, I, I started smoking in college and I've smoked a... I'm 33 so I've smoked a good bit since then. I'm like a regular nighttime smoker like I don't wake and bake or smoke during the day but like so like today like I'm not gonna smoke during the show because it makes me not as talkative and that's not good for the product. You get introspective and introverted when you smoke?

Definitely more so than when I'm not smoking. But I also am not like Kyle sometimes likes to get high in the way where he likes to get scared high like, oh, like get really high. I'm not like that. I like just a one gram cart from a local dispensary last me weeks because I'm just taking a few hits every night. And I'm like, all right, that's getting me to a nice relaxed level. And I can tell when I've done too much because I'll start thinking about like, remember when you called your second grade teacher mom? And I'll be like, oh. What is it? What is it? Good. How I feel like, can you put it into words? Very relaxed, a little hungry But mostly just carefree like I if there's a zero to ten level of high

I think I like to hang out around like four like that's where where I enjoy it The best highs were fucking in high school when you had no responsibility. You didn't know shit about the world Like it was just it was I remember just being so euphoric. And I feel like vision slowed down to like, frames a second and my body tingled and food tasted great. And then as soon as I became an adult and I was like, oh, the world is horrifying. And you know, like I'm really fucked up as a person.

It really just was never the same after that. Really? So it was like regularized. You just being high, Hutch? You said you get this, do it for you. You get what when you're high? Well, towards the, like, I stopped drinking and doing any drugs for like the last two years,

so that's been different for me. Okay, congrats, well done. But like in my adult life, I would have like phases where it was kinda nice, but I would need alcohol to level me off because I would have like phases where it was kind of nice, but I would need alcohol to level me off because I would get this like existential angst like Like thinking about the nature of existence and you know, I would get really deep with it Now I'd have like bad memories pop up. It just made me miserable. What was your method of getting high on?

Same kind of carts like by the end it was i did like flowers but the cards are just so convenient yeah just buying for like 30 bucks or whatever and yeah yeah like a disposable cart not the cartridge are you still doing the ketamine stuff or are you done with that i'm done i i would say the last time i did it was a year ago something like that did it give you um a year ago, something like that. Did it give you a kind of relief that lasted beyond the treatments? They say it does, but I guess what it gave me was introspection, almost like maybe therapy would.

And then that introspection has relief afterwards, but I don't think it's a chemical change as much as it is like the change you get from taking a minute to figure out why you're feeling the way you are, and like therapy would. That was the kind of change that I got from it. Well, sometimes it's also just like with hallucinogens,

sometimes it's also just having the experience of what some people call ego death. So you take a hallucinogen and you're having an experience but it doesn't feel like you. And sometimes just having that experience of like putting your, like the concept of you to the side and now you're this other thing, like that alone I feel like can give you perspective

because for me, LSD for sure mellowed me out. Like definitely mellowed me out. Like because once you... Long-term. LSD is really intense. It's like 14 hours for me and and and yeah it's like bro. That's too long of a drug. Did you do tabs? I'd have these little rituals like I would I would always watch like man of steel For some reason I would watch that

Marvel movies, you know, and I'm just sitting on my couch just fucking But afterwards Kevin cost is like no you're like come on help him this time As me would come home and I'd be watching man of steel and she'd be like you're on fucking LSD aren't you I'd be like There was benefits to it, I mean it's all you you definitely have to be careful Definitely have to be careful with LSD like maybe hide your phone like maybe make sure someone's there to make you know really It's like you know yeah people fucking take LSE and then like jump out of hotel room windows It's really powerful I forget where

Where I got the ketamine somebody online like did it as a therapy way and they would have um Music that you listen to it's called binary. You know binomial music. It's nothing. I've ever been neural beats It's where I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that was new to me and uh, and like I know exactly what you're talking about. Oh yeah, that was new to me. And like the way you take the ketamine is you have these dissolvable tablets, you put them in your mouth and you hold it there for seven minutes, which is a bit of an endurance test. And then they give you an eye mask too, right? They gave us an eye mask

and then I would use a weighted blanket. I had a scented candle, a dark room, like eye mask of course. And- And your wife had to babysit you right well she did I didn't need her but she did she was there in case and the the company like made sure like like all right FaceTime I want to see the person who's babysitting you to make sure you're actually doing it FaceTime I want to

watch you take your own blood pressure before we do this to make sure it's clear and then they also like which is good it's good that they have those procedures, I think. Right, right. And they prescribe it, of course. They help me figure out my dose. We're like, you're gonna journal after this. So get that set up, figure out how you're gonna do it, et cetera, because it's kind of like a dream

where when you first wake up, you think that this is a core memory that gets really burned in. And then shockingly, it can be gone three hours later, your dream has just vanished. So you journal it and make sure that whatever revolutions you had, revelations I should say,

you had during the trip get the stick and you can reread them, which I do sometimes. It was really good for me. But I don't know, I really genuinely have gotten thicker skin over the years, but someone was like stupid Woody didn't even take it right What Professional guidance like I think I took it fine I thought about it

I thought about doing it because I've had periods of what you would call treatment resistant depression for It would last for like six months to a year and a half. And I had a little bout of that in 2022. I was dealing with like intense grief that I was burying with alcohol and stuff. I was like right on the cusp of doing a consultation and stuff. And then I got clean and then just started adopting like much healthier stuff in my life. And then I was like much, much better. I feel the weight of the world and my responsibilities. And one of the things that I took away from my trips

was like, all right, all right, let's cut down what's really your problem to solve. And, you know, like what does Jackie need? What does Colin need? Like, what is the home we live in need? What do you really actually have to do? You get these fuckers food, clothing and heat. That's all you really that's the basics. That's all you need to get done

like and and it just seemed like a much more manageable problem. Heck one of the darn things I thought about on my trip that I saw recently is like the roof is leaking. You've got to fix this. And when that like it was like, let's get this lockdown fixed. And now I got a new roof. Like it was just like, let's figure out what the basics are, take the stress away from this, what seems like an insurmountable problem, or a never ending insurmountable problem is actually something that like fucking everyone actually manages you can do

this. Seems like you're a success story for the ketamine therapy, like you, but also like, it seems like you went into it with much more of a utilitarian view than I can picture a lot of people going into it with. Yeah. Yeah. I, you would have to like lie to them if your intention was to have a good time. But that wasn't what my intention was. I feel like if you were trying to just do ketamine recreationally, it would be way less expensive to just, you know, go on the dark web and buy it that way.

Oh yeah, get a little special, okay? With ketamine treatments, it's like pretty expensive. If you want to do it intravenously, it's like $2,000 per session. And if you want to do it at home even, I think it's like, it's much less expensive, but it's still like amounted, when I looked into it, for like $400 per trip. And you do not need like it's much less expensive, but it's still like amounted when I looked into it for like $400 per trip and you do not need to pay that much for I think it was happy I think it was 1200 for six and And then the second time it was cheaper

And I don't know how that compares to what it would cost elsewhere. What did Taylor laugh at? I was thinking about it reminded me of this story from like, this is probably eight years ago, seven years ago now. And one of my close friends, the Marine guy, my Marine buddy, I've been friends with since we were like four or five that I've mentioned on the show many times, he was really into MMA, like mixed martial arts and fighting. And he started like doing amateur fights. And one of the fights he was like, Hey, Taylor, and like, you know, our whole

friend group, he was like, I want you guys to come and watch me fight. And I was even before that, I was like, bro, like you better fucking win because I don't want to pay. I don't want to pay tickets to go see my good friend get shit rocked at some bar in downtown St. Louis or some venue in downtown St. Louis rather than I don't want to go to because it's not the nicest, cleanest, safest area. And he was like, no, no, I've been training. I've been training. And so we go and the fight itself was incredible.

He beat the absolute shit out of his opponent in a way that felt illegal. Like, and it only took two minutes until the other guy tapped out. It was like not even tapping out from a submission, tapping out from being punched in the head too many times. Oh, you hate that. And then there were like 10 other fights. And so my buddy came out and then we had a big group of probably a dozen guys and girls hanging out, having a good time.

And one of my buddies told another friend he was like, Hey, I've got ketamine, I've got liquid ketamine in this dropper here. You know, I know we're all drinking, you know, we're all starting to drink and everything. How about you want me to put some ketamine in your rum and Coke, whatever he was having? Yes, my buddy was like, Yes, I do. And apparently it was like some bullshit dropper, like you're supposed to measure things out. And he was like trying to put it in the guy's drink, like one of those essential oil dropper containers almost and he's like, come on, come on, get in there. And then like, oh, dear, a significant amount of it came out and he was like, And so, and so my buddy drank this stuff and we didn't find out till later that my buddy who bought this stuff, the ketamine, got it off like Silk Road, like on the dark web. Like it wasn't like verified ketamine. And so my, my other friend who took it, drank it down and maybe 30 minutes later, he was

like on the floor of this venue, like unable to move, couldn't make sense, wasn't saying anything. And so me and another one of my friends there had to like carry him to an Uber and he's a large fellow. And so it was an exhausting endeavor because I'm a few drinks in at this point. And so me and my buddy, we carry him in, we get him in the Uber, we have to give like explicit instructions to his Uber driver, like take him here and then, you know, text us when he gets there because he clearly isn't going to be cognizant. And so I'm going to have to call his girlfriend at their apartment when you get back and then she will come out and she'll collect him and get him in there. And it wasn't until like

a day or two later, because all of us were like, that's what fucking ketamine does. Like I had no, cause I have no experience with it. It turns out that my friend who bought it off the dark web had accidentally been, or probably purposely been given GHB. Now GHB is the date rape drug. And so he gave my friend a wild dose of GHB and got him fucked up in like 20 minutes. I think he'll pass out and it makes your butthole hurt. It makes you pass out and makes your butthole, I mean before I carried him out to the car I

don't know, you know, but who's gonna tell? I think technically that is a hallucinogen. People don't realize but be like he said he couldn't recall anything He said it was a total blackout of memory too much people need to respect Hallucinogens, that's one drug type of drug that you need to respect and there there was a guy was it Timothy Leary The the LSD guy from the 70s or whatever He I think it was he who was talking about set and setting. And so the setting that you're in is really important. And then also your state of mind.

So like, if you're in a shitty mood and you take it like in public, that can go really poorly. I was gonna talk about hallucinogen. Does that mean psychedelic or is that synonymous? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. But technically, marijuana has psychedelic properties,

but it's not the same thing as like mushrooms or- My marijuana doses are so small. I don't think I'm having the same experience that some of you guys have had, but yeah, the set and setting is the really big deal. That's why when I did ketamine, like some people are like, I like to do it at the club. No, I am in a very controlled environment

with my weighted blanket and my scented candle. Yeah. What scent? Vanilla, butterscotch. I'm in a very controlled environment with my weighted blanket and my scented candle. What's that? It's a vanilla, it's not butterscotch like that's the family. Fond fire. And I said, oh, yeah, I got some stuff called some THCP the other day. THCA is illegal in Georgia now, I think. So they're kind of phasing it out slowly.

It's probably it's probably that you can still smoke it. You can't like sell it though or something because they still sell it or they're like phasing it out slowly. It's probably it's probably that you can still smoke it. You can't like sell it though or something because they still sell it or they're like phasing out of it. Maybe there's a grandfather thing. In any case, THCP is in and and I was testing that out and he was like, just take like two puffs a day. And I was like, fuck you talking. He's like, he's like, no, it's 30 times more psychoactive than than the THCA was. And I'm like, bullshit.

But, but it's stronger. He's like, yeah, and it only comes in half gram fucking carts. And I was like, God, that's bullshit. All right, give me like a handful of those. And I got home and I was hitting this thing like I normally hit stuff. This isn't it, by the way, this is some Delta H shit. This is pretty mild And but I was hitting that that THCP and I got it like hit me all at once

Like like I wasn't slowly getting higher and higher. I was just suddenly Scary edible high like I felt like I had taken too many edibles and I'm laying there on the couch with a thunderstorm music playing so that I don't freak out My girlfriend looks over at me. I'm like my girlfriend looks over at me on the couch. She's like hey, I'm heading out See you later. I'm like you're leaving me. Don't leave me. She's like is anything wrong. I'm like no No am I talking loud That was exactly it I wanted her to stay at home so bad I was I needed help Ban all THC products in Texas Mmm. Oh damn, Texas. They need to move to the land of the free up here in, Missouri governor

Patch Dan Patrick is pushing for a full ban on the psychoactive drugs found in cannabis and other products. Senate Bill 3 would eliminate the ability to purchase THC products regardless of their THC content. Do we have any vibe on whether it'll pass? I mean it's Texas. They're pretty, I mean the legislature there is pretty conservative. So I don't know. I don't know. I mean like it passed, weed passed here And so I feel like it's just a matter of time elsewhere and some I wanted to touch on her ass Coach like you said when you would smoke weed Like it would make you want to drink after being high I had to because it was like maintenance it would get rid of the anxiety That was like I was like self medicating on top of self medicating

So I would get to a pleasant state, but it was usually when it was like late at night, like I'm in my room and you know, I smoked some little like even Delta eight would get me to the bad place sometimes. And if I just drank a bunch of whiskey, it would be, it would mellow me out, but nothing like that every day. Nothing like shuts down my, like I remember like in college, like all through my life, like if it was a thing where it's like, all right, we're all going to go out and drink here. Like I knew I couldn't smoke weed before I went because weed would destroy any desire

to drink. Like it would put you in a frame or at least put me in a frame of mind where it's like, I'm already stoned and now I have to guzzle 10 Miller lights or whatever to get a buzz. Like, oh man, this is, you know, I'm going to be out all day. I'm going to drink this much. How many calories is that? Like for me, like alcohol and weed are like antithesis or at least they're, they're opposites. If I do weed first, if I start drinking, like there's no problem adding weed in later. But like if I'm high, I want like diet Pepsi and sodas and I want to overeat and like be a glutton way more than I'm driven to to go to alcohol. Yeah, it affects everybody differently. I'm jealous of the people that can like if they're

stressed, if they smoke weed, it brings them down because for me it was the opposite. Like if I was stressed about anything and I smoked weed it would just Amplify my stress. I would just think about it Racing thoughts and I just couldn't calm down. Yeah, it is it does hit everyone differently because I've Everyone has those friends and I remember my buddies in high school and college being like this where every time they'd smoke weed like four times a year Which is like an amount of time for them to forget how horrible their most recent experience was where like they'd be around exactly.

Like they'd all be in a group and we'd all be smoking weed because it doesn't bother us that way. And they'd be like, Oh, you know what? This is the time I'm going to enjoy it. And they'd take a couple hits. And before you know it, you look over ghost white, they look absolutely panicked. And it's like, they're even openly saying like, why did I do this to myself again? Yeah. Some people, there's just something about weed that just brings out like a, like a really bad place. And it can actually like trigger. So like for schizophrenia, it can, it can trigger latent schizophrenia. So some people have schizophrenia, but it never manifests or they have the genetic

makeup for schizophrenia and it never manifests. And then they take like one bad edible and they have a full on psychotic break. And so you do have to be careful with that. I mean, like I support cannabis. It's a lame people benefit from it a lot, but it can be you have to you have to just like if it doesn't feel good, You probably shouldn't try to force the issue Yeah, it's doubtful that finding some other strain is gonna make it better like if you have a family history of schizophrenia, you're a hundred percent right like it's a

It's a dice roll to get really into weed because it can just you just fuck you up if that's latent in there And that's not something you want to tango with that's scary. Have you tried DMT? No, maybe I was hoping we got Have you tried DMT? No. Me neither. I was hoping. We got to get some DMT. Woody, Woody, I know where we can get some or we know somebody who can get some. That's what I should. Oh, yes. I haven't seen that guy in months. Are you joking?

No, he was on the Hangout. Oh, you know who we're talking about, right? Well, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter who we're talking about, but there's a guy we all know who at any time could get some dmt? You're telling me I looked at this person this weekend for four hours and didn't know who he was Well, I I could use I don't you're asking me questions. They're gonna narrow down who it is and I don't want to answer those questions. But anyway, um,

I also want to do dmt is the point. Uh, i've wanted to do it since I did lsd I wanted to do lsd first.SD. I wanted to do LSD first. It's been a couple of years now, but it seemed like that was the baby step to DMT, which seems like the fucking like a five minute trip. Yeah, but it's like way more intense. So so so the thing about DMT from what I understand, I've seen people do it on like camera, like like live with me. And I've seen videos of people doing it and such and there's two different kinds of DMT and I think they add a letter to one kind I think maybe one kind comes from the toad venom and one kind comes from like maybe like they create it in your kitchen or whatever

in a lab I could be wrong about that but I remember seeing the guy smoked toad venom version and he just that's the guy who remember Taylor he's rolling around in that Creek just saying I love you I love you I love you and they have to control him so he doesn't hurt himself then he like throws up yeah that looks horrible looks horrible that was smoke that was vaping toad venom I don't want his knees were bleeding nobody was like keeping an eye on him yeah he was just in he nearly drowned in that puddle um but we watched a guy in our uh there's a youtube video I'll link it to you later it's pretty sick okay um But we watched a guy in our, uh, there's a YouTube video. I'll link it to you later. It's pretty sick. Oh, okay. All right. Um,

but we watched a guy in our patron hangout link down below. Come hang out with us, uh, do a vape that had DMT. And I tried to do like a guided experience and it seemed to work. He said that he could see an experience what I was telling him to see an experience. Like I was acting like a dungeon master basically. I was like, there's a waterfall and it's looking up at it and it's flowing over you and the water is warm and golden. It's glowing golden.

And he's like, wow. And he's very much, he looks like he's halfway in a coma. Like he looks silly. And at the end of his trip he spit up like a kid You know how like a kid will be like and like spit up on themselves. He did that on himself He's basically vomited a little bit like uncontrollably down his chin and onto his shirt And then he kind of snapped out of it and he was like that was a wild trip and I was like holy fuck like how long did it feel like you were gone and he said it felt like he was gone for like 10-15 minutes he'd been gone for two minutes three minutes maybe you know so that's attractive to me it didn't help that

dirty was like nightmare nightmare nightmare he said you're on fire you're on fire you're burning alive and I'm like no it was mean-spirited. We didn't like that. I was shitty. I think he was inexperienced. Maybe today's dirty would be better. I don't think he knew the full extent of what we were doing. He showed up late.

He didn't get. Although I got my revenge because I did LSD with dirty in person in Colorado. Like a few months after that. And we gave him quite a hard time during his trip. Dude, we were what we Dude, we rented this place and it was my first week being able to legally, off probation basically, I'd been on federal probation for years and finally I was able to go smoke weed and hang out with my friends and we rented this place in Colorado and we had a theater

room and we all did LSD. I did four hits of acid and we played Fantasia and and dirty's like smaller than us physically like maybe 150 pounds or something at the time and I guess it hit him extra hard and he was afraid you did four tabs for your first trip yeah well like at first I took one to make sure I wasn't gonna like hate the drug and the experience and I immediately Loved it so much and there's zero nausea which surprised me because shrooms have this nausea that I hate about them And I know that ayahuasca and lots of other things like that come with that nausea

I had nausea and diarrhea every time I did LSD felt great And so like I kept ramping it up over the course of maybe an hour and a half I was like one tab wait 45 minutes and so like I kept ramping it up over the course of maybe an hour and a half. I was like one tab wait 45 minutes and I was I was like I feel like I've stabilized like I'm no longer on the way up but everything looks a little squiggly everything looks a little vibratey but I'm not seeing any pink elephants give me two give me three give me four and when I got to four then I could see things. I couldn't see things that weren't there but the things that were there that I was looking at did not look themselves They were moving your whole sensory experience changes. So so I remember when I took it there was um

there was a fan in the room that was playing and and or that was that was running and Normally, you're a fan. It just sounds like a fan. When you're on LSD, it feels like you can hear the individual vibrations of the fan. And it takes on a whole new kind of thing. And then when you look at things, like you look at a wall, you see a white wall, it's whatever. When you're on LSD and you look at a wall, it looks like the fucking Beatles song.

It looks like a million diamonds. Like it looks like you're looking at like individual particles of things. and everything's waving and contracting and were the visual why you enjoyed it so much. It was a visual but honestly like things feel good like debt like sex feels fucking amazing. That's what I want to do next time so much. Yes. Yes. Yes. I feel like that would be awesome. What else is good on on LSD is because I've heard people say that eating. Yeah, I've heard Kyle said he ate on LSD, but you and everyone else

I've spoken to says that eating is disgusting because you feel like you feel like every morsel and every tooth crunch or something. Let me tell you last thing I wanted to do when I did like no, like some people eat like oranges, like something like nice and, you know, light or whatever. But no, I just got on LSD and like lose weight maple bacon doughnuts we ordered from this Really good donut that place in Denver and me and my boy ate these maple

Bacon doughnuts and they were scrumptious. I remember being so I don't know It was like I could taste every molecule on my on the acid So it tasted better to me and it was it was just creamy and crunchy and delicious and just everything I wanted in In that moment and I also you know the set and setting thing and people talk about oh, you're gonna have a panic attack It's gonna be a scary trip. I'll be honest. I I want I was like if you're gonna You're gonna do it do it bring it bring it. Are you gonna be bad? Oh, we're looking at something scary, fuck me up. Bring it.

There was a clown painting on the wall. I stared at it. I stared at that. I'd hate that sober. There's like, they had a rec room with like silly clowns on the wall and like foosball and a bunch of other shit. And you had to walk through the rec room

to get to the backyard. We hung out in the backyard a lot. So between like den and backyard back and forth and that there's creepy clown. And I just stared at him. I was like, freak me out, fucker. Bring it, bring it, bring it. You're playing with fire, brother.

You're playing with fire. He's all wiggly and shit. He's all wiggly and winking at me and shit. And I'm like, that's scary. That's funny. Woo hoo. I did. I feel like it would be healthy to allow Hutch

to tell you the fire you're playing with here. Well, I think I've told this story on this podcast, but I had done it like 12 times. I was in 2015, the last three months, I did a shitload of LSD. I didn't respect it at all. I was just fucking doing it recreationally. I had really good experiences every single time, but the last time I got up to go to the bathroom and then I collapsed and everything Like I don't know how to explain it but everything looked like kind of puke

It was like beige and and red and in that in that state that I was in I thought that I had died and gone to purgatory and I was gonna be stuck in purgatory forever And I had a deep conviction like I'm dead I'm not coming back and I'm just stuck so it felt like I was kind of like in hell. She that was Hell like how long did it feel like it lasted fucking? Days like it felt it was a lot. I was only on the ground for like an hour probably Yeah, I was calling out to my fiance at the time I was like has me there was a part of me that was like trying to yeah fucking somebody come help me crazy but it was how much acid was that that was a

six tab night it was yeah okay so yeah tab tabs are interesting I've heard they can the dosage can vary six is a lot I wanted to ask you because you clearly got way more I've done it once have you ever done like drops of acid like like from a violent people I did gummies like I had this guy who would drop he would do the dropper on gummies and then you just eat the gummies I want I want the dropper in put a dropper of acid directly on my eyeball? That's a needless complication. That is a awful idea That's that dude. That's so fucking hardcore Just like in Mandy remember Mandy where they put the eyedrop of acid on her eyeball You shouldn't they got already cool and then they got that the goal you're going for and it's also not hardcore

If you were hardcore, you'd be smoking meth and robbing gas stations in the Batman the Goth of choice gotham his uh, eyedrops Yeah, no i'd be down for that don't put acid in your eye you fucking lunatic Clearly goes in your back. Yeah for my second time Because for me it was I felt fully in control of me. I'm like I'm in here. Like my inner monologue is still there. And I'm like, oh, things are looking pretty silly, huh?

It's because of all the drugs we did. Let's see what more silly things we can find. Oh, I feel giddy, too. And like that's my inner monologue. I wasn't out of it. I wasn't thinking I was anywhere I wasn't. I just remember searching for as many visuals as I could that would be altered by my state as much as I felt and that was fun. Movies can be really fun. Like I watched Tron Lacey on Acid

and I had taken the eye, it takes like around 30-45 minutes to kick in really and it's just like it kind of you just you just know When it's starting and for me the acid trip started when like he goes into Tron and like everything becomes digitized And there's this orchestral beautiful time punk soundtrack, and I was like It can be a lot of fun a lot of people like to be outside and stuff But I really loved watching movies when I did you balance like you said life with it Like if it lasts 14 hours, I was just fucking abusing it not showing up to work and you know It was not a can you cuz I heard you was it streaming is that work? Like you can't sleep right now. So for so you're like locking in for like

sleep. No, no, no. So you're like locking in for like 14 hours of mostly most people, like the intense stuff ends like around nine hours. But for whatever reason, my body was different. So like, I was fully hallucinating for 12 to 13 hours. And then when I would come down, like a Kyle, I don't know if this was your experience, but like coming down for like three hours was so relaxing. Like everything was so not like smoking weed Just lying on the couch. You feel so good You still can't smoking weed continuously the whole time and it was and like strong strong weed and it was the first time I'd smoked weed You know in years so it was really getting fucking high, but um It lasted so long it lasted all night and into the neck the next morning. And there was no like, come down.

There was no hangover. There was no nothing. It was just like, I don't remember when I stopped being high, but I did at some point, and I was, you know, none the worse for wear. I love acid. Could you feel? I want some acid now. Could you feel the weed while you're on acid?

Yeah, definitely. Because acid just feels to me, and I've never acid now. Could you feel the weed while you're on acid? Yeah, definitely. Because acid just feels to me, and I've never done it. It feels like so much of a harder drug. It feels like it'd be like, oh yeah, I'm drinking a Bud Light while I just took that. No, to me, acid's lighter than weed. If you don't have any tolerance for weed, weed would bake you into a coma on the ground

if you smoked too much. Whereas the acid, it felt like the more acid I took, the gittier and happier I got. I wasn't being doped up and my sensories weren't being deadened to the point where I wasn't able to like get around and do what I wanted. It was the opposite. I was, I was very happy to do anything and everything. And I want, I was seeking out visuals. Like I linked that video. We would watch videos like that set to like techno. All sorts of like psychedelic shapes. But Wizard of Oz, not Wizard of Oz, but what's the one where she goes down the rabbit hole? Dorothy. Oh, Alice in Wonderland.

Alice in Wonderland. That was great. I'd never seen them before. That was a good one. The old cartoon one the old Yeah, yeah on lsd Her dress is the most beautiful like Like beautiful blue Can he throw you for a loop? Well when he popped up with those with those eyes in a spooky way

That's what happened dirty got scared of the fucking movie and we had to turn it off and like watch something else like that's what I was saying like you'd like He was kind of a downer and you don't want to you want to like take care of your buddies when they're if they're having A hard time, but it's like Everyone taking care of somebody else when they're having a bad trip is really tough because you have to because you're fucking tripping balls Yeah, I have to like it's kind of a big responsibility because someone if someone is having a bad trip is really tough because you have to because you're fucking tripping balls Yeah, I have to like it's kind of a big responsibility because if someone is having a bad trip It's like kind of like a crisis for them and you have to okay. Yeah, I've heard you talk about dirty's experience a few times Do you feel like it was all genuine bad trip frightened? No scared or was there some attention seeking?

I that's what I felt like that like like that's why I was so mad because in my head, I was like, Hey, man, we're all on drugs. But you're like, it felt like a girl, a white girl who had a couple of Zimas for the first time. And she was like, Oh, I'm so drunk. Can you believe it? Like, I can't even walk in a straight line. Look at me. Everyone look at me. Just playing it up. Yeah. Like dude, just sit still and stop. Why are you giggling and kicking and he was just on the floor writhing around. Like we're watching TV and he's writhing around on the floor. It pissed me off, but I was trying to be chilled about it because we're all in acid. I didn't want to like freak anybody else.

But I have a social question genuinely asking this as a potential artist. So don't judge me too bad. I do this thing, I insert myself in that situation. I think what I might've done is just retired to my bedroom and created my ketamine experience. Would everyone be like, what, he's an asshole. He bailed on us? Or would they be like, yeah?

Yeah, that would've been super lame if somebody had left the group. So it's the situation as well. Like you have to be there to sort of understand. We're all in a cohesive group doing the same drugs together, watching the same entertainment. And if I had went to my bedroom is in the back of this room. I picked the bedroom that's attached to the theater room. It would be like, I get out of my theater chair, turn around,

take six steps and open my bedroom. Like this is where I lived the whole trip. So it would have been super learning if I'd left the group. Plus I didn't want to leave the group. The most accurate, um, like on screen depiction of a hallucinogenic experience like that is in mid Samar. They take mushrooms and visually what the director does is this guy named Ari

Astor. He's a brilliant filmmaker. But they're not recently. So we do that movie so good. But if you if you if you watch that movie, they do a really good job of like, it's and it happens in subtle ways to it's not very like, you have to kind of like squint your eyes and you're like, oh, wow, that tree's kind of moving. The breathiness of it, like I've, I'm kind of much more than the rest of you, obviously. I'm a little spooked by psychedelics. Like I did mushrooms once in college, my freshman year, and only took enough. I knew nothing of dosages. I just had like kind of a skeevy roommate who had them out on his desk all chopped up and he gave

me some. And I took them and like, all I remember was like watching It's Always Sunny on my TV in my dorm room. Like I stayed in my it was just like a Tuesday night and I just like a slight breathing of the TV towards me and nothing that was the extent of it. Like maybe a slight feeling of levity but I have this worry that I would freak out and wouldn't like it. If you took more mushrooms can can be really intense if you took more than you would have it like I saw fucking dragons when I took mushroom Yeah, I the thought of that. How many times you done mushrooms scares me Just one time similar story in college like I ran out of weed and I was so fucking pissed And and and my buddy had mushrooms I was like, yeah fucking I'll try it And so I ended up like and then as soon as I started tripping her and knock at the door,

I opened the door and it's two buddies from high school that I hadn't seen since graduation. And I was like, come in. I want to fucking let's talk. And I like took him into like one of the rooms and I was like, tell me about your life. I'm so interested. And then to this day, I don't know. There was one guy, I swear to God, he was making fucking funny faces at me the whole time. But it honestly could have just been me like hallucinating it because I kept on telling him, I was like, stop fucking making that face. I took an eighth, I think. So it was like,

yeah, decent amount. That's more than I. Yeah, that's somebody somebody drug fluent. How many grams is that? 3.5. Three point five. That's funny. Okay, three point five is where, I think they'd say that's where Hero's Dose starts, between three and five is like the full trip. I've done it, I think I have a lot more, I think I have more experience than you guys combined with mushrooms.

And I don't, I don't know. I just get really cuddly. I get affectionate and like chill and calm. It would be my experience. Is there a hallucinating drug? Yeah, it's a happy drug for me. The first time I ever took it, a friend brought it to a campfire and I had a real, I had a one gram.

So like a third of what you had and, uh, just jokes were a little funnier. Something about the smoke coming off the fire was more entertaining and kind of purplish compared to reality. And, uh, it was just a real chill, good, positive experience for me, a little bit nauseous, so that's a downside of it. Do you know, I'm realizing like the, the, it, like the drug experience from college depends so much on whether or not you ran with like a mushroom psychedelic group of friends or a cocaine group of friends. And looking back, I was,

all my friends were cocaine guys. Nobody gave a fuck about mushrooms. They, they were looking for that. I don't know what's real. Okay in my mind vibes is much more hardcore and dangerous They scared us with that Bar more aggressively in school than they did mushroom Rated drug yes the most overrated drug. I was expecting something so intense and it was just like I got a little hyper for 30 minutes I wanted to sell our own brand but the boys wouldn't get behind me. It was a bad look. They said this is illegal.

No, it's not. It's not illegal. I told you it's the it's the flake. It's the caffeine. I mean, we just have people snort horrible tasting caffeine. No, no, you flavor it. All right. So so here's the idea. You got these little bottles of powdered caffeine. I'm having a problem that then also it's powdered caffeine. And's solving a problem that doesn't work. It's powdered caffeine,

and also in there is some sort of flavoring agent. And so it'd be like, it tastes, if you will, like, or smell-taste, you know, like strawberry or whatever you want it to taste like. And there's already a product that's out there in the market. And I figured we'd just little grab a little bit of their market share.

I think maybe theirs is called booger sugar, or maybe that's what I wanted to call ours. I don't remember which I don't recall But I know that gene is on the market that you can buy flavoring instead of it looks like cocaine It smells like cocaine you do it like cocaine, but it's caffeine. I Just I feel like it's one of the most Misrepresented drugs cuz like we all grew up with like the movie blow and fucking Scarface. And, and so you're expecting like a boogie nights. And so you're expecting like,

I was expecting something so much more and I was like, really? This is it. It's true that you don't want to stop. Like when you, when you're doing it, like you definitely don't want to stop, but it was like, I felt, I felt like I was lied to my whole life. I was crazy, man. I remember like doing it with friends the first time, like having that same feeling where I'm like, man, this is going to be so crazy. This is going to be like all those movies I've seen. And then I did it. And it was like, is this even working? I was like, are you like, did I do it wrong? Did I snort it wrong? Because I have this horrible chemically post nasal drip. And all I want to do is like smoke a little weed and

like have some more beer at this party. Like this cocaine is not doing it for me. I'm doing it for some people because you have buddies. And I'm sure how do you have a similar situation? People you know, we're like, they really like Coke, they go to a party and they're like, guys, tonight, we're not doing cocaine. And it's like, brother, no one is even thinking about that but you. And then 45 minutes later, he's like hunting around being like, you know, a guy, you know, a guy, do you got a guy, and then they're like, leaving the party to go meet up with some sketch ball to sell them cocaine, and then come back. And if you've ever been around cocaine guys, if they're not like weed guys.

And that like if, if me and Kyle, if all four of us were like, we're going to go buy some weed and smoke tonight, we'd go to a dispensary, we'd buy what we wanted, we'd go home. And there's a 0% chance that we smoke through everything we have. Like we're going to buy enough. Cocaine guys, even when they're buying coke, are doing this thing where they're like, yeah yeah, but like we don't need like a whole eight ball, like just a little bit because we just need a little bit like keep us going for the rest of the night and then tomorrow, nothing. Then on the way back from the drug dealer, they've done all the coke and they're like looking up the same guy again to go back. It's not, it's not fun to be around cocaine guys. I don't like to be around cocaine guys because they're like,

they're like smokers in that they have to leave our activity constantly to go do the thing that they are addicted to. So like at the casino, if you're playing poker, they have to go to the bathroom with another grown man every seven minutes. And they want to know if you and not a third grown man want to attend the bathroom trip with them. And it's like, no, I don't. You have a problem. No, that drug sucks. And it's not worth it. You spent a ton of money to be like a little bit amped up for 20 minutes. I've seen people combine Adderall with cocaine. It sucks. I've seen people combine Adderall with cocaine. And it's like, you're trying to have a heart attack actively Like that's your goal right now. Well if you snort Adderall that will get you going I snorted Adderall in college and I fucking I I just wanted to clean like

HAHAHAHA That's what happened to me Ten person suite there were five girls on one side five boys on the other side the boys side It's like Morgan from The Walking Dead I need to clean. There was mold on the ceiling. And I remember there was one time I grabbed a mop and I was mopping the ceiling and my roommate turns a corner and he's like, Hutch? I was like, hey Pat. And I cleaned and it was fucking spotless, but I couldn't get to sleep until like 10 AM. So it was a shitty experience

So if someone laced your food with adderall, would you just start cleaning the house? Yeah, you gotta get that anxiety. I'm asking for marriage advice here when you snort it It's like, you know, if you just take it it's like a slow release or whatever But when you snort it, it's like you're fucking going that was like way more intense So in her neck, so in her nasal spray little coke. Yeah Was it like that blue powder from the IR's now it was like a little white pill okay yeah and that would be the way I just I don't think I like offers I don't like any uppers I don't like them for fun time like if I were going to clean or if I

was like I don't know if I were part of some if I needed to come up with an idea if we were actively Brainstorming about a thing for example. Oh man. Let's uh, let's go to the dot. Let's go to the pharmacy real quick I want some Adderall like like it would be great for all those things But if we're just gonna like hang out we're gonna party even I absolutely do not want Adderall like that seems so counter to what I what I think of as Hanging out and having a good time to me that's Chilling out and like like it that's beer weed

Mushrooms, maybe smell as deep but Something's gonna chill me out. Have you heard that clip of Shane Gillis talking about like how he can't take Adderall if he drinks booze Because like and this is definitely a thing like if someone takes Adderall if he drinks booze because like, and this is definitely a thing. Like if someone takes Adderall and then they start drinking heavy and hard, you can drink an insane amount of alcohol and they don't realize how fucked up they are because mentally it's like, it's like an arm wrestling mental battle, but then they'll stand up and like their physical bodies long checked out.

And so they're like stumbling over themselves, unable to move. It's the same as the matching fucked upness you would expect from a drug. Put on your most impressive sexual performance of your lifetime on Adderall. You just be a is give it 45 minutes. Oh yeah, absolutely. Like the limit is your is your cardio. Cardio becomes a limiting factor. I'll ask for six and a half minutes. Exactly. Triple normal.

I mean, I'm pretty sure Coke and uppers make not at all longer to come. I always say this whenever someone's like, I take Seattle's every day anyway. It is longer. They like usually it's like starting YouTube short. every day anyway so you would know usually starting YouTube short will be done by the end I already came better in sex I'm the one that came you definitely want to beat your shit when you're on coke because I had one night where I was beating my shit for like three hours I

was like how is this even possible three hours. I was like, how is this even possible? How is that nice? I don't like getting like a coked up goon session. A boy. You know, I've never done coke in an environment where I could just go jack off. It's always been like around. Taylor, what we got so caught up with coked up goon sessions, we forgot to do the ad read. Yes, we did.

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It was a lot It was too much and it hurt the next day Five hours of good just I bet that load was a winner though. No by the end. It's just you're shooting blanks It's nothing. It's like I wasn't even fucking hard by So you were coming over and over I thought thought you were like on a five hour goon where you finally came at the very end. No, no, no. It was that, but it was like the refractory period, I guess,

for cocaine. It was like five minutes. And I was like, Hell yeah. Well, I guess I'm already coked up time to goon. That's so funny how like that is a universal thing with like meth, coke, stimulants. Is there something about it that dudes just end up like, well, I gotta do something. I gotta have my hands busy. I guess I'll beat off for five hours. Just a fully degenerate goon session for several hours

until you run out of cocaine. Yeah, I remember like maybe once having a jackoff session on like Adderall in college, but it was more an issue of like, why the fuck can't I come? Just because everything is so numb and just not wasn't worth it. Wouldn't recommend folks, wouldn't recommend gooning on on stimulants. That's like Molly, like Molly, I feel like Molly has this stereotype of like people to do it and then they just, and then they just all they want to do is have sex. But my dick, you couldn't hold it up with a tongue depressor. When I was on MDMA,

it did not function at all. I'll rip on Coke every time I've done Molly, I've had a blast. So that was, that was a difficult. Did you fuck when you were on Molly or did it? No, I was at a, it was like 2010, I was at a Skrillex show and I took a bunch of it and was like just vibing, just dancing in a way that I never would have sober, probably making a total fool of myself. And I was having like, just just so much fun dancing around on Molly. It was great. That was like,

I never felt like I wanted to do it. Like it was, it was a drug that like I woke up the next morning and was like, that was so fun. But no part of me was like, I got to get more. Well, it's diminishing returns to like, if you do it two days in a row, you're not really going to feel much the second day. But the only way you're going to have a bad time on Molly is if you take too much and then you get like, it's a lot because it's there's some amphetamines in there. And so, but it seems like the happiest. What'd you say? I took three tenths. Of the pill? Of how it was literally that my friend bought it and it was in like shards. Oh, and then forms or whatever.

Yeah, it was like in crystal form. And then I just like, yeah, it tasted like shit. And I just like drank a soda to try and wash it down real quick. So I guess like the dose was literally what I like put out my hands like Oliver twists like please sir and he just dropped some shards in my hands. I licked it out of my hand and it's hardcore. It was so bad. It did. I was like, it tastes like you're drinking Windex. Yeah. What it tastes like in retrospect, like if I could like see the version of myself doing that now like as a ghost of Christmas past, I'd be like, stop that.

What are you doing? You're licking drugs out of like your known sketchy friends, like hand. I'll lick it out of your hand. You're not gonna lick it. I am. Anyway, yeah, that was good times. Won't do it again though. Too old for that. Anyway, yeah, that was good times. We'll do it again though. Two or three.

So I wanted to ask you guys about, wait, we should wait until Taylor gets back because I want to ask you guys about Trump. Yeah. Oh, yes. Yes. It was quite a time. I guess we'll wait for Taylor to get back. Tell me what your election night was like, um, I, so wouldn't I had a small wager and we like doubled the

wager leading up to it. And I was not, I thought I'd lost. I thought that Harris was going to win on election night. I believed that Iowa poll that came out, um, Trump had, and I thought that that was a bell weather for the rest of the nation. I thought that that was going to be the telltale Sign of the way things had we had he was saying that I thought Silver like Nate Silver was saying like I don't know about this poll

But I don't want to bet against Sam Salter and then he won by like 17 points and so it was insane Yeah, I thought if he's if he's if he's down three in Iowa God, he's probably also that in Georgia He's probably good mate. Does he even went South Carolina? I thought it was gonna be a bad night for Trump and so around So I was watching like cop videos like like the rest of the boys were in their whatsapp like going around and around and they're Like ah, it's not bad Trump's. Okay, he's won the red states and oh look at this It's kind of tight here and there but you know know it's early early and then as it slowly like happened i tuned in and started micromanaging it like and started to see we started to see pretty early on actually because there were there were trends that you were

noticing where it's like hmm kamala seems to be like six points behind biden in this one county in pennsylvania and like there was little. They kept telling me that at first, Kamala was gonna be ahead. I think they called it the blue mirage, something like that. And then after that, the red wave would come because they had pre-counted, like Pennsylvania, for example, the mail-in votes

where she was expected to do better. And when that blue mirage was her either like down or up by like a tenth of a percent that wouldn't hold up. They called it a firewall I think. Okay I heard something different but anyway it was like oh shucks this isn't the like good fast start that Kamala was supposed to get and when the rest of the results come in it's not supposed to get any better. So it was yeah I wanted to cope pretty quickly. It was like, all right, you know,

so she's not gonna win North Carolina and run up the score. All right, she's not gonna win Georgia. There's still the blue wall up there, right? The three Ross Belt states. And then when they started looking ugly, it's like, just stop torturing yourself. Come back tomorrow when you know.

I felt like it was, you know, I was confident when I saw just how, just the numbers in the, and at the blue wall, even early in the night, I don't know, maybe we'd call it 7 p.m., 8 p.m. or something. It was tight in all those places and it was like, she needs to do some special things to win. It was her paths to victory, if you will, were literally shrinking.

And it was like, ah, she's gotta win. Now she has to do this, that, and the other, and Trump just has to do this and that. And it's like, well, he's gonna do that, my God. And it was like, here it comes. Here comes the montages of like, they said he wouldn't, but they did, like here it comes here comes the montages of like they said he wouldn't but they did like here They come again, and now that's all my algorithm does it's just nothing but election night montages I've watched every reaction from every network head. I've watched youtubers reactions to it

I watched destiny to stream he had a whole like panel with him and slowly, the realization, he knew early. He was like, ah, this bad. I heard Destiny talk about it. So he was like, it can't be this bad. Charlie, Pennsylvania. No, take that down. Show me this, show me that. He was joking when he did.

He was, that's my understanding. So it's like, Piers Morgan was like, you had quite the freak out. He's like, well, I wouldn't put it like that. I had an eight hour show. I knew pretty early on that we wasn't gonna go our way, but had quite the freak out. He's like, well, I wouldn't put it like that. I had an eight hour show. I knew pretty early on that we were, it wasn't going to go our way, but there's still the show must go on.

You get it. And Pierce to his credit, who I normally don't like, was like, that makes sense to me. I get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I saw every network's, you know, slow realization because early on in the night, the storyline was, what we all want to know is,

will Donald Trump accept the election or will he try to declare a victory long before you know all the votes are tally will he wait until he is like just ahead and be like I won call it off stop counting the votes stop counting the votes you know they were worried about he was calling fraud before the votes started counted it came in and certainly was And then once he liked the results suddenly these are legit. There's no need to investigate the pennsylvania fraud. Yep 100 100 he he has character issues Yes, he does um, but uh, but he's he's the greatest winner of all time. He's the most powerful man in the world again

Um, all of his legal problems go poof. And he's still married to that smoke show. It's hard to go against old Donald Trump. He just keeps on winning. At least he does. I don't know if we will. I'm hopeful for the country. I'm hopeful that with full control of Congress and you know the Supreme

Court as it is that he'll be able to get some of his stuff done. So that's what I wanted to ask you guys about. So like the big promises that he was making early on was he's going to cut people's energy bills in half. Are you guys hopeful that he's going to be able to do that? No, of course not. That sounds like a, like a, Did he say that? Like a crazy statement. He may, ah, in your interest,

half price energy is a pony for everyone. That's, that's. $2 gas. Ooh, hope so. Are we, are we, That'd be nice. I don't see that as a possibility, but yeah, that'd be nice. I Know see that as a possibility, but okay. Yeah, that would be good lower grocery prices

Sure and some like in some of the prices won't we won't have Deflationary economy. Yeah, we don't want to either Of course, yeah, he said he'd end the Ukraine war before inauguration. Are we hopeful that's going to happen? Oh, he's working on that one. I would love to see the Ukraine shit ended as soon as possible. I don't see any way that it happens before he's inaugurated though. And maybe I'm being cynical, but I know. They're inching toward it. Like, clearly, like all the parties see what's going on. That war is going to end now because of Donald Trump, he and it will be a victory for him because allowing the war to continue would be seen as a defeat. So he will end. Yeah. But also like there's the negative that

like he's even if he pulls us out of the Ukraine nonsense, which I'm in favor of, the more I see people he's nominating, like there's a lot of like Iran war hawks in that group. And that gives me a, gives me pause. I don't like that. Before we leave the Ukraine topic, it is easy to end that war. All you need to do is surrender. You know, the war is over. Just lose that action. And quitting is always on the table. And it appears that a victory for Trump is a victory for Russia. That's his strategy. He just going to let Russia have anything they want.

He doesn't give a darn about Ukraine. And there we go. So I think, I think what they'll need to do. Um, well, he's, he's not as quite as tied up with them as the Biden crime family. I know, but I think he will want to end the war in a, in a, in a reasonable kind of way. My prediction is that, um, it depends on where they draw the lines, right? Because apparently we're going to redraw the lines of two countries when this thing is

over no matter who wins. And so they're going to have to agree on some new border, but the real thing is Zelensky wants to be a member of NATO because he wants to say, okay, I'll give up, I'm sure he would say this, I'll give up all that. But in return, I want a forever peace. Not like in 94 or whenever it was, when I gave up all my nukes and you guys promised that I wouldn't have any trouble out of Russia. Not like then. Not that time I gave you Crimea

and then you just invaded me a few years later, right? Like Russia, well, absolutely. If he doesn't get in NATO, just invade them again. They've done it twice already. It's not like this is a wild. And part of the reason he invaded was- Hang on, let me say this. Sure, go ahead.

It's exactly like when we fight wars in Civ and you invade invade quickly you Grab some land and then you're like, yeah. Yeah, I'll make peace That's why wouldn't you want peace now you get to freely move all your troops up to their border and and poise yourself For the next war as soon as as soon as it's convenient for you It's it's it's in their best interest to seek a peace if the next war is just whenever they're ready again and four, five, six years from now

when they're ready to take the whole thing next time. So they're going to need to be a member of NATO, or they're gonna need to have their own nukes, which they're fully capable of like loading their own nukes and being a nuclear power, I'm sure, in a month or two. That's where a lot of the Soviet Union's nukes were made. I'm sure they didn't just throw all that shit away. It's gotta be one of those, right?

It's either they get Article 5 protections or they get nuclear weapon protections. Well, this assumes that he's gonna, so ultimately it's Congress that decides where this aid goes. And so right now in the House, they're poised to have the smallest majority since 1930. I think they only had a five seat majority, 215 to 220, and Trump nominated three people that were serving in the House of Representatives. So right now they functionally will only have a two-seat

majority. Those seats will only have Republicans or whatever. But there are a lot, there still are a lot of Republicans that are sympathetic to Ukraine, support that, support those aid packages. So there's a really big question mark around how cooperative this Congress is gonna be. Like even in the even the Senate with some of these Senate confirmations. Can I tell you why? They're gonna be very cooperative. Elon Musk is the dark horse fucking Joker wild card to end all political wild cards. He will fucking, they will primary your ass

if you don't get behind this MAGA agenda. And whether you can, you can go on and on about how close the election was, mandate is the word on every lip in the nation. And that's what they're going to be. Well, they can believe that. But I mean, can you tell me if this is true? Like I saw that not a single county

across the entire country moved left. Meaning I saw the map, I've got it somewhere. Like there's a very cool map that color codes every county and it shows the last three or four elections though. So you can see counties that went like Trump, Biden, Harris, that did not happen once. Yeah, like I didn't, maybe the number was like, there were no counties in the country

where Harris performed better as a Democrat than Biden did in 20. They gained nothing. There were no increases anywhere. It was only steps backwards. This is a really weird metric to use to put your thumb on the pulse of the country. Right? Like a county could be 72% Democrat.

It slips to 71 and they're like, that's a Trump win. Look at how they're shifting in his direction. It's a mandate. Listen, Trump won by 1.6%. That's an actual metric you could use to gauge his popularity. He got less than half the vote and 1.6% more than Kamala. county in our vast and enormous country performed worse for the Democrats in this election than in 2020, like is indicative that voters are not pleased, or Democrat voters rather, are not pleased with the direction of the party. These things matter, obviously, like so it's it's impressive that a Republican won the popular vote for the first time since 2004. And if you're the Democratic Party leadership right now, you for sure want to figure out how to like stop the bleeding and make up some ground

But when we compare it to 2008 for example That was a 60 seat majority in the Senate that was like a 50 seat majority in the house and the presidency and a landslide A landslide Electoral College victory If only they had more Obamas if they want it, you know, like they have control of government, they have a full trifecta. And so like they're in charge right now. And so they can use that power however they want. If they overstep, typically voters punish incumbent parties when they're perceived to be overstepping and which is basically every single time. And so, yeah, I think you can get a decent read looking at some of like the major issues though, like, like most people people the majority are in favor of mass deportations like we want illegals out of the country

Do you think that people are gonna hold that do you think that people are gonna hold that opinion if prices go up for example? Some will some won't I mean I think that you're going to I Think you're gonna see a number of I think there are going to be some short term hardships. And I think people are OK with that if there's a if there's a way out or there's a plan. I felt like with Biden, there was no plan and there was no sort of like, yeah, it might we're going to get rid of these people and we're going to have to adjust to it.

There was no talk like that. And I mean, it was Musk. But that's exactly what Musk said is like, yeah, there'd be some short term hardship throughout this thing. He was talking about tariffs in particular. But I don't care what it costs. I don't care what it costs to secure the border and to make sure that we know who's, you know, coming into this country and we stop the literal invasion, the literal invasion of millions and millions of people. Illegal immigration issue. I mean, not to be very intertwined.

Like illegal immigration is allowed to be a huge thing because I mean, the, the bygone law administration, the illegal immigration and the lack of border security, like those are inexplicably linked or inextricably linked. Illegal are here overstaying a visa. And I feel like what Republicans do is conflate the issue at the border with They could they conflate like our asylum laws with illegal immigration So when we talk about like the asylum laws We have laws on the books that if somebody shows up and they request asylum and they meet a certain criteria

They are afforded a court date and our system is is so backlogged now that oftentimes they have to wait five to eight years before they get a court date. And while they're waiting for that, they're allowed into the country. And I feel like a lot of Republicans are calling that like those are illegals flooding into the country. It is. It's like you don't want them here. Like the remain in Mexico policy, like don't like the idea that you let in hundreds of thousands or millions of people and go, we'll get to you in 10 years.

Meanwhile, like take WIC, take Medicaid, take housing vouchers. Like, no, like that's that's a that's an absurd cost for the American public to have to foot. I have a stat because you said that the overstaying of the visas was a higher number. It was 850,000 overstayed in 2022. There were 2.7 million illegal border crossings the same year. I mean, yeah, that's just the border. That's just the border. That's a huge amount. Department of Homeland Security. And this is one of those things that the left loses on. Real quick though, like the asylum laws were on the books when Trump was president. Like he talks about catch and release. His administration did the same thing because you're legally obligated to do that. The bipartisan

immigration bill that was negotiated actually addressed that those asylum laws tightened them up, hired more border security agents, hired more judges, hired more lawyers to adjudicate these claims, and they ultimately wanted to reduce the time from five to eight years to three months. And Trump was the one that spiked that bill. So I'm glad he did. I have a question about that bill. So I think that bill would have been good for America.

If that same bill comes up during this Republican controlled government, do you think it passes? Will they just flip because now it's a Trump accomplishment? Exact same thing. That would be hard to defend because they were making a big deal of the fact that it was like, so it was written that you could

shut the border down if you averaged at least 4,000 people showing up, not crossing illegally, showing up and applying for asylum. If that was 4,000 per seven days in a row, then they would shut the border down automatically for, or gave DHS the authority to do that for two weeks I believe. They made a big stink about that. And so they may do a similar bill and then bring that number like way down.

I don't even know. If he were to try and push that exact same bill as some Trump accomplishment, I would decry that as stupid as well. Like, the whole point of that was, most of that was boondoggle spending for Ukraine and foreign countries. Like, a huge amount of it. That part still got passed. That part still gets passed. Isn't that crazy? The money laundering part gets passed. The immigration part we couldn't pass. But the issue, I think, I think that Democrats and the left is, is losing a lot on this immigration issue because it's over. It's very popular to deport illegals and to protect

our own border. And when you see a lot of like mealy mouthing, no, it's popular among the American public survey. I have numbers on that. I looked it up. I was curious to tell you, let me just go real quick. So 54 to 42 in favor. So those are the numbers, yeah. Yeah, and so like, and that's a winning issue for the right, because like, and it like, I don't even see this as necessarily partisan.

It is in our situation, you know, with our current structure, but like the desire to protect your country's borders is the only thing that makes a country a country. Like otherwise you're just an open economic zone. Like you need to take people who are here legally, many of them benefiting from housing vouchers, only thing that makes a country a country. Otherwise, you're just an open economic zone. You need to take people who are here illegally, many of them benefiting from housing vouchers, Medicaid, free school. They're not a part of the system, so they're not paying in a lot of ways, and they're taking a lot out. And that's a huge negative for Americans.

Are you saying illegal immigrants are getting Medicaid? Illegal immigrants do qualify for Medicaid. Yes. They qualify for Medicaid housing vouchers and WIC, which is like free food at the grocery store. What's the part we're missing? Kyle, you said they're going to start building the deportation camps in Texas soon. Texas has already offered the land. No bullshit. No, no camps straight back. Not even that. You've got you've got to like a to like, you got to sort them, Taylor. You got to figure out where to send them. You can't just send them to Mali. This is my language. This is my, this was my idea that we send them all to our enemies. We send

20 million South Americans a little bit because illegal immigrants don't qualify for any federal aid program including Medicaid. So there are programs like Medi-Cal, like state-run programs, and each state can determine if undocumented migrants can qualify for these programs, but they don't qualify for food stamps, they don't qualify for Medicaid, they don't qualify for Medicare. They qualified for those free flights that flew that illegal from New York to Georgia. So and he's the guy who killed and tried to rape Lake and Riley, right? Like this is, this is where we're talking past each other. Illegal immigrant, like, like plain voucher program.

So yeah, they do the, they have all sorts of vouchers for housing and whatnot. So what you're referring to, yeah, what you're referring to is like, they don't get, they don't get full Medicaid coverage, but they qualify for what's called emergency Medicaid, meaning that any sort of emergency service, which is genuine any time you show up to the hospital or whatever medical service you need, that is covered. If you show up and you need a surgery and you're an illegal, that's taken care of and we foot the bill.

That has to be. Here's why I like that. I don't like generally giving stuff to non-citizens. It's my overall stance. What side is this from real quick, Zach? I'm sorry. Let me hear what Woody likes. If someone goes to the hospital

in dire need of medical care, they should get it, right? Kyle could show up there and his wallet's not in his back pocket. We can't be like, fuck it, let him die. I haven't verified a citizenship. Like people should show up and get care and then we can sort out the bills afterwards. Cause I'm like, how many times have I like been in the water,

been in the sky without a wallet? Right. So I hear the joke, but like, you can't deny medical care before we've sorted out all that stuff. I agree. Who's your insurance provider? Okay. Well, but I get what you're saying, Woody. And like, if someone shows up wounded or whatever, you have to take care of them. It's not, it's just inhuman to do otherwise. But what we can do is like not subsidize behaviors that incentivize people to come here for the end goal of getting free things. Like,

this is literally Bernie Sanders' position from the late 80s where they asked him, is universal health care a possibility in the US? And he was like, yes, universal health care is entirely possible in the United States, but we must have a secure border and deport illegals, because otherwise the money put into this fund will be spent on non-Americans and not Americans themselves. So I'm telling you, I agree with Bernie's position from the late 80s. Yeah, I want universal health care. I want that funded, but you can't have a robust welfare state that doesn't have strong borders.

I don't know where you're getting this idea that illegal immigrants are massively benefiting from our social welfare programs. The Cato Institute, which is like this right-wing libertarian group, did a study on immigration. Libertarians love illegal immigration. Are you serious? A few years ago, and they determined that even illegal migrants, and I'm not saying that we shouldn't do anything to enforce our borders. That's not what I mean. But I'm just saying like borders that's not what I'm saying like the debit cards the

debit cards are no those are for asylum applicants so there anyone can claim it anyone say that shit that's our point you have to change the asylum laws to fix that problem that's not yeah and we're about to. That's an asylum law problem. So we should change those laws because we're being taken advantage of. That's what I know with the partisan immigration bill though. With these asylum seekers slash. Libertarians like immigration. I don't care.

And illegal immigration. I think that 1% of them are actually real asylum seekers. I think they all are gonna get scooped up with a big fucking net. I agree with you that our asylum laws need to be reformed. I hope we use the military. I hope they send in the goddamn national guard

in the communities. I hope they like fence them in the same way that you like flush game from the woods out of the open. And then you like scoop them up. I hope that happens. For asylum applicants? All of them, any of them who shouldn't be here. Those people are in the country legally.

Anyone who shouldn't be here. Anyone. How are you gonna report someone that is- Anyone. Scooped. No, no, no. Asylum applicants are the country illegally. Anyone who shouldn't be here. Anyone. No, no, no. Asylum applicants are not here illegally. They're not here illegally because we have laughable asylum laws. We are going to reevaluate the state of their asylum claim. Yes, that's why they tried to pass the bipartisan immigration bill that reformed our asylum laws. So if we could, I'm just, this is just like a thought experiment kind of question, Hutch.

Yes. asylum law. So if we could, I'm just, I'm just, this is just like a thought experiment kind of question, Hutch. Like, yes, if you could press a button and every illegal immigrant is immediately deported to their country of origin, would you do it? No. Okay. So then we kind of just, we, okay, well hold on. We kind of just solved the whole conversation here, didn't we? For, for, no, no, no. But wait, I want to hear Taylor's answer. Do you think it'd be better, do you think America would be a better place if we instantly lost them, those members of its population? 100%. Yeah.

If we got rid of all illegals, yeah. Suddenly the cost of housing goes down because the demand is lower. Suddenly the cost, the price like that you're paid for middle and lower class wages increases because there's not this supply curve of infinite labor coming from the third world. What's up with classroom size? Like you want to talk about the pressure on our medical system. Like all of these things would be alleviated immediately. And so the idea that you're like, so you're saying like, Hutch, what I'm hearing is

like, oh, we can't, we can't deport them because of this, uh, these asylum laws, this, that, and the other. But then when push, when push comes to shove and I say, if you could remove this issue entirely and not in some cruel way where they're kept in cages or something just immediately magically deported you say no. No. Yeah. Okay, so you have a political vested interest in these people pouring in. No, I think there's a middle ground here. I feel like when we're talking about violent people who commit violent crimes, I have no problem deporting

these people. My heart's not going to bleed for them. When you talk about the economic consequences of getting rid of what you guys say, 10 to 20 million people that are here illegally, that will cause inflation, 100%. So when I say that people support mass deportation programs on paper, this is what I mean. So let's say Trump is actually successful and he deports 10 to 20 million people. And then people go to the grocery store and an avocado costs $6. I really doubt that that support for mass deportation is going to stay at 54% at that

point. People say that they want to value like protection, like they like protectionist economic policies, like terrorists, because it's going to supposedly, supposedly you know like cause all this like boon and domestic manufacturing but the cost of the tariffs and the cost of this mass deportation it will cause the price of goods and services to go up and the MAGA theory is that people are gonna value this whole made in America thing and protect our country. What about 2018? 2018 Trump rolled out an enormous amount of tariffs and the criticisms you're levying now are the same that happened then where it was going to cause an

hold on, it was going to cause an enormous amount of, of, uh, inflation. Unemployment was going to be a problem. And none of that happened. What it did was actually bring a bit of manufacturing back home. And like the problem with the tariff, back home. The problem with the tariff evaluation is Trump will say something like, we're going to tariff Mexico at 3000%. We're fucking them over, folks. Then people, analysts or journalists or whatever, will look at that absurdly high number that

he's using as a negotiation tactic. Then they will extrapolate data from the assumption that that is where the baseline will be. And that's just not an accurate way to look at those situations. Well, I'm just taking it as word. His proposed policy was universal tariffs, like 20% on all imports coming into the country. That will cause prices to go up. And we'll see how much like American apparel,

I think they did an experiment where they they had some of their clothes that were outsourced to other countries. Those were cheaper, obviously. And then they introduced a line of clothing that was purely done, made in America. Those those costs were higher. And and people overwhelmingly rejected the second choice. Do you think that it's worthwhile to have like, do you think the lower cost potentially of like American apparel, just as an example, not that that's the extent of it, is like worthwhile in keeping like a permanent borderline slave class around to do these things? And in the in meanwhile, these these borderline slaves are doing work for free and that's also lowering wages

for Americans that would otherwise be... What do you mean? So like NAFTA, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, we have free trade agreements with many countries that don't do slave labor. Yeah, I don't like the free trade shit. That's part of what I'm saying is like, yeah, we're getting free cheap shit from the consequences of free trade. People prefer lower prices. They do. They do. But like it's not worth it to maintain that so we can get cheap plastic shit that's low quality

from China. It's not worth it if you don't do it. Ideally it would be better to have manufacturing. So there are failures of like neoliberalism. There are failures of trade agreements that outsource manufacturing jobs and products or whatever to different countries. And then you leave these communities, especially concentrated in Appalachia and the Midwest, like a lot of these cities became destitute because all these jobs were sent offshore. If you do a trade agreement but you don't do anything to remedy that suffering, then there are obviously going to be problems. And so if you're running into there are really good consequences of free trade. Like some countries just, you know,

they have much stronger industries when it comes to like agriculture or manufacturing or like different countries. We should have a separate trade. Yeah. I don't. I don't. I don't. Retrait is a bad deal for us. I feel like free trade is the reason why that abject poverty, global poverty has... I've been waiting longer though. Sorry, go ahead. It's been...

Oh, no, no. Sorry, sorry. Go ahead. Do you want to go instead? I can take it. Fuck no. All right. So my issue with free trade is this. It makes your country bad and uncompetitive.

We've seen it already in practice in the extreme in Russia. Russia had protection. Well, I think I said it backwards. My problem with protectionism is this. It makes your country bad and uncompetitive. When the wall fell around Russia and we finally got to see inside, they looked 40 years behind us in terms of technology. We thought

Russia was our peer. And then we get there and we're like, Holy fucking shit. Look at their cars. Look at their agriculture practices. Look at their manufacturing practices. Look at what communism has done to this country, and how people aren't working and achieving being the best they can be. And they didn't have to because their employment was guaranteed and everything was locked in and they really weren't competitive with anywhere else. So they just had a shitty country that didn't produce anything good and was uncompetitive with the rest of the world

and they collapsed and they lost the Cold War. If America has protections, like to quote Taylor, 3000% tariffs or something ridiculous like that. The same thing would happen to us. Our industries, our auto industry would get fat. Our cars would suck cock. Our agriculture would get expensive because we're protected from everyone

who's competing with us. It's Japan's lean mean manufacturing that made American cars better. It is whatever, you whatever, China's tight manufacturing that makes us keep our own manufacturing as lean and mean as it has to be to compete with these people. If we start putting tariffs and protecting these companies,

then they're gonna be a little more profitable in the short term as they raise their prices to match the tariffed prices. And then in the long term, they're going to be outdated and shitty because that's what happens when you protect them. I don't know if that's like, like historically, that's not accurate because the highest quality American, the highest quality American goods came in times during very high tariffs. What are you talking about? Meaning that tariffs weren't enacted enormously until like what the 40s? They weren't like pulled back enormously until like the 30s, 40s.

We had massive tariffs. Yeah, most of our, yeah, we still have some tariffs, but like most of our tariffs or most of our federal budget. There are tariffs on everything. Yeah, most of our federal budget was supplied via tariffs prior to what was the year that we made income tax. America didn't peak in like 1925. 73? Dude, you can find a refrigerator from 1940

that is gonna work longer than a Samsung you buy today. And so like- There's no choice. Yeah, and so like this idea that tariffs are like gonna ruin our economy, I don't think is accurate. Look at Germany, for example. Germany has tariffs in place

where if you wanna sell a Ford, if we want to sell Ford in Germany, we have to manufacture it in Germany. There has to be a plant in Germany where Germans are employed to create those cars and then you're allowed to sell it there. Volkswagen's would be more reliable if there were fewer tariffs.

Do you not see the benefit though in like just that one similar or simple example of like... What can happen is you can tariff some more competitive country, industry, etc. to the point where your local one is propped up when it shouldn't exist because in any fair competition it would be put out of business. And now as an American all you do is you buy either this shitty thing that should be put out of business because they don't do a good job or you pay the tariffs and get it from somewhere else. When you protect someone and make it so they can't lose their job, they can't lose their customers, then they do a bad job. We

should like it it in my view it shouldn't be an open and fair, full economy like that. Like we should have advantages. We're America when we're being taken advantage of by other countries who levy tariffs against us and we're engaging in like free trade or whatever with them. Like that's not beneficial. And so just something as simple as like if Toyota wants to sell cars here. You've got to build a plant here. You've got to build cars here, you got to build a plant here. You got to build plants here and you have to manufacture here.

You have to employ Americans to create these cars and then sell them domestically. Countries that pursue a protectionist economic policy broadly suffer. They're the ones that suffer. The ones that are engaged in free trade. And like every country can do targeted tariffs. And there's like different reasons why you would do targeted tariffs if you're trying to shore up like local industries, or if you're trying to punish a bad actor for some action they took as a part of a trade deficit or something like that. But if you do a broad policy of like tariffing all imports, you might like that might end up with like I don't know like some tens of thousands of new manufacturing jobs or whatever

but the consequences of that is going to be felt throughout the entire electorate prices will go up and I don't think that the MAGA theory is that people are gonna take pride in American products and you know I don't care that I paid you know 100% more for this product I just I don't think that's gonna happen. The whole idea I think the whole point is we can argue whether tariffs work or not. And the answer is yes and no, right? It's gonna vary on every single thing.

The point is this starting negotiation position, you know? Like I've sold a lot of cars and the first position that I brought to the person was always a dick in the ass. Yeah. It was a big dick in the ass and it was dry. And I presented it to them with fervor. I didn't say, oh, gee, I've got a little, I got a dry dick to put in your ass here, sir.

I hope you don't mind. I said, whoa, lucky you. Can you fucking believe it? A dry dick for your ass. And cause every now and then they're like, oh, you promise? And they take the dry dick in the ass. And I think that that's Trump. And when Trump says 25% across the board, and then Trudeau says something like that's $100 billion out of

my economy, my country will collapse. And then Trump quips something about making them the 51st president of state in the union. He doesn't mean any of that. He means, yeah, it's a pretty dry dick for your ass if you don't do this little thing on automotive, I'd like 3% more here and like, hey, this thing over here with the border. Like I think it's a negotiation position.

Yeah, I agree with Tom. More commonly though, countries just do retaliatory tariffs. And it's- Yeah, but our dick's bigger. Our dick is bigger our dick is bigger and drier though that's the whole point so failure countered my argument with something that wasn't my argument we chalk it but i didn't mean to address it just honestly thank you i'm not suggesting that we allow someone to conduct a one-sided trade war against us without retaliation right if they have tariffs against us we retaliate that's what they're going to do if we put tariffs

and everyone understands this. But the idea that tariffs, the general concept, tariffs allow your companies to go fat, lazy, and become less competitive is as simple for anyone who studied economics as supply and demand or times tables. Like this isn't to be debated. When I take my competitor's prices

and raise them by 25%, I can either raise mine and make bigger profits or get fat and bad. And those things will happen over time. Boom, every time it happens. There's a lot of misunderstanding about what tariffs are too. You guys realize that American companies pay the tariffs, right?

It's not like China's paying the tariff or Canada's paying the tariff. Yeah, it's the manufacturer doing it. Right. And then those costs get passed down passed on to the consumer. Yeah. And I mean, the way that and therefore they're incentivized to change their behavior in the market. And then but again, it's a starting position to scare countries. That's why it's 25 or 30 percent across the board, which is such a huge number. As the president of Canada said Prime Minister

Whatever the fuck is fake job is he's out next year. It will cripple their economy He might as well declare war if you're gonna do 25 percent across the board. You know, we have to fight Canada They wouldn't make it to Detroit Fuck those those idiots up. I'm just generally shout out Canada. I'm sorry. You're not a second paper protectionist economic pot like we've seen Global poverty like plummet because of free trade and I don't care about global poverty Well, we've also seen I would say that's more a consequence of tech not free trade We've also seen I would say that's more a consequence of tech not free trade

No free trade if our if the US poverty would go down 1% I would have the rest of the world go up 10 It meant burning an entire nation so that we'd all have like better iPhones. I'd be for it I am a very much America first kind of more about the Tiles a million percent Couldn't agree more. How long will my battery last? Oh, that's the thing, Woody. It's powered by your heartbeat, okay?

You open your hand and the phone is just, it comes out of your skin like some Spider-Man. You're gonna love it. It's a two-way street though because the trade agreements that we enter into result in lower costs for consumers, which is just- Can you say that again, Hutch? I tuned in in the middle. The free trade agreements that we enter into, result in lower lower cost for consumers which is just which is can you say that again Hutch I tuned in in the middle the

free-trader agreements that we enter into like TPP or NAFTA they result in lower costs for for American consumers so for example two out of three tomatoes that Americans consume and come from Mexico like if all of a sudden we like if he actually followed through on this tariff and like let's say he doesn't do a Opening position or whatever. Let's say he actually follows through that is gonna cost like the cost of Like vegetables like agriculture is going to skyrocket and at that point We're gonna see if the MAGA theory is correct if it happens that Americans are gonna be happy to pay these higher prices I don't think they will I think if you give people the option of spending less on goods, 99 out of a hundred people are going to say, yeah,

I'd rather spend $3 instead of five. I only buy it. Or at least that's what they're going to do. Right. I believe 50 50 will say it. 99 out of a hundred. Exactly. Yeah. What I believe is that when they get that bill, they're going to be like, that's the beauty of this presidency.. That's the beauty of this presidency It doesn't fucking matter what the electorate thinks and he knows it. This is it. There's no next term

He doesn't care about your thoughts and concerns your poll numbers. He doesn't cares about his approval rating It's a lame duck president. He cares about he might care about a legacy But what he probably cares about is getting fucking even after the nonsense that he went through over the past year Let's hope he cares more about legacy than getting even because it's either or for him at this point And he can go as far as he want neither direction It I wouldn't say he's a lame duck president I would say he's got nothing to lose that he can make big decisions remember when Obama was whispering to the Russian ambassador Hey, tell your boss,

I'll have more wiggle room after the election and they caught him on audio and they played it. Um, that won't be happening. That's not collusion with a foreign leader. It's different. No, no, that's different. That's different. Yeah. Definitely not. Anywho, I saw Hunter today at Arby's. I'm glad he's Arby's. What a fucking jackass. Who goes to fucking Arby's when you get pardoned? First of all, I like Arby's. Second of all... You're so... You've never been more wrong in your life. I like it. They have so many delicious things at Arby's, aside from the curly fries and the cherry turnovers. Okay, okay. The curly fries,

I cede the point to you. You know, they do absies, right? They'll do regular fries and curly fries. They got mozzarella sticks, the best fast food mozzarella stick. They got jalapeno poppers. They come with a spicy blueberry sauce. Dude, jalapeno poppers from fast food places. Just the dog shit jalapenos. They have a jamoca shake. I don't know what a jamoca shake is, but I don't want you can imagine like a coffee shake. That sounds like immigrant food. What's the jaw? What's the jaw on the Java?

It's Java. It's like it's like a coffee chocolate milkshake. Yeah, but that's baked into just the term mocha. It's a jamoca milkshake. Let it go. Arby's they have to be. You're going to have to see the point on the jamoca. You know, they do a sandwich. No, dude, all those points you made about politics a minute ago.

I disagree with them based on this. Do you know they do a sandwich with 10 different meats at Arby's? Name them. I can't name them, but there's like 10 different kinds of meat on the sandwich. It's like a chicken sandwich and then they start putting like roast beef. And I can only name like four kinds of meat Cow and pork, but then I'm shocked that Kyle was telling the truth on this Arfies really does have the meat all of them

Starting this month protein fans can bulk up the fast food chain $10. You smother that bitch in horsey sauce is what I like. That's the other thing I like about Arby's. They have not one, not two, but three signature sauces. And the horsey sauce, the horseradish mayo, delicious. I do want to go back to politics a little. Do you guys worry about any of these cabinet appointments? Yes, I worry about several of them.

I think some of them are unqualified for their positions and some of them seem to have poor morals and ethics. However, some of them have really good TikTok clips that make me laugh. So I'm up for that. That Patel guy with the FBI maybe. Oh wow, what a firebrand. He's just screaming. He's almost as cool as Holman. Holman is the immigration czar or whatever.

He's the one. His sound bites will be like, make no mistake, there will be a mass deportation. All of them. Like you know how sometimes like a talking head on the news will be like, just so we're clear, we're not talking about a mass deportation. What we're talking about is going after the criminal element with records. Excuse me, ma'am, are you the border czar? Well, no. Do you have a shirt that says Mexican catcher? He opens it.

He is so intense about it every time I see him interviewed and I love that that guy rock I like him I love that these aren't mealy-mouthed politicians that they're like like his job is to catch illegals and he loves it he clearly loves it and he wants to do it so bad it's just bad I want to let him do it I can't wait to let him do it did did you guys like show family separation policy? No, you gotta love them together. Dude, of course, of course Like look like I mean, I'm gonna just quote him when you get pulled over for DUI

You got kids in the car you get separated you commit a crime you get separated when your process This would be the equivalent of like so like let's say somebody gets Like a speeding ticket do you think it would be the equivalent of like, so like, let's say somebody gets, uh, uh, like a speeding ticket. Do you think it would be? No, it's not like a speeding ticket. No, it's not like a speeding ticket at all. The other difference is, well, for the first time when you cross, it's a civil infraction when the second time it becomes a misdemeanor, I believe.

But when, when we're talking about the family separation policy, I've never really liked that analogy because when you go to jail or something like that, if you get arrested or if you have to spend like a few days in jail before you get bailed out, it's not like the government like automatically takes your kid away and then loses your kid. Yes, yes they do. Absolutely. Immediately they take the child away. Unlawful entry is also it's a...

If there's nowhere for the child to go, they immediately... Or something like that. But that's not available though. Unlawful entry is a felony. It's not a misdemeanor. It's a felony. And as soon as you've committed that, and by the way, it's hard to find their family members because they illegally invaded the country, bringing a child along with them on their crime spree. Again, bank robber brings their kid into the bank, separated. Sorry, you cannot, hey, your daddy's a bank robber. You want to hop on his lap while we handcuff him and take him

To the federal penitentiary no they get fucking separated And if there's no guardian to take them then they go to child protective services But they get the kid back when they get they would they get the kid back when they come back from jail So the first offense for an unlawful entry is usually a misdemeanor the subsequent offenses are felonies So like this would be do you think it would be appropriate to? Permanently take someone's kid away. It looks like Yeah, they give the kids back but it's also it looks like the first offense is a felony I'm sure it's often pled down, but it is what I'm looking at. I is the taking the children away thing

Marketing because here's why I say that they did it under Obama. And he's like, the reason we take the kids away from the parents is that we can't have children with the adults. It's not safe. Bad things could happen to kids if you house them with adults in a prison like atmosphere. And I heard that and I thought, OK, that Pats passes. What he's like, sometimes it's not their parents. Sometimes it's a it's a kidnapper who's got a child hostage. We need to separate them and talk to the kid.

Okay, good point. All right. So but then there's the second half of it under Trump. It was, you know, we are going to steal your children if you try to cross our border. Do you love your kids? Then don't even try it. Right. And to me, I'm like, same policy with different marketing, right? I'm paraphrasing and misquoting and stuff. But I think the idea was this idea of putting children someplace safer under Obama became remarketed as, Taylor, would you be the-

Don't cross the border or you'll lose your kids. And I'm like, is this marketing? Is this an actual difference? No, it was meant to be. Woody's winning me over here because I'm kind of like a program where we take the child and we don't give it back. It's like, all right, you want to bring your kid? We don't think you're a fit parent

or a fit American. So you just got another tomato picker. That's right. Now that we keep the children, I don't know what we do with them, but we find something for them to do here. We don't let them be Americans. That's the other thing. How about this? We send them no more anchor babies. Like a lot of people say no more anchor babies. A lot of people saying no more anchor babies I'm saying maybe no no more first generations. Maybe we go back on some folks Maybe we think you guys realize that that's what they did, right? They do that I got lost take the kid put him into the foster care system and then they would deport the parents and then there were

2,000 kids that needed to be reunited They're still like I think over a thousand that have never been reunited. We straight up kidnapped kids. Like, that's not high-perfume. Did we break into their house and steal their kids or did they break into our country and then they abided by law? Hold on, seriously. Do you think that this is justified like literally permanently taking someone's child away?

I don't think that's the purpose, the intent, or the goal of the program. I think that may have been the result according to you, but I bet they're extenuating circumstances such as the parent disappeared after we sent them home, such as the parent is not actively trying to get their child back for some reason. Are you talking about the family separation policy? And you know what? I honestly don't mind a few nightmare scenarios in the immigration system. Maybe it will discourage some people from trying to enter. It shouldn't be fucking Disneyland.

You shouldn't hear that when they catch you, they give you a free ride. No matter what we say, you're going to come down on the side against it. Because I already asked you the question. If you could solve this problem with a button push, you wouldn't do it. We're having two different conversations right now though. So like John Kelly, when he was the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, that was his first job before he became chief of staff. He talked about the family separation policy

in an interview with Wolf Blitzer. And he straight up said, we're considering doing a family separation policy to serve as a deterrent. So like, hopefully people back in Guatemala and El Salvador will hear that we're taking people's kids away and they won't want to make that trip. But I'm curious, like, do you guys seriously think that like permanently taking someone's child away is... I don't think there's a program that does that. I think there is a program where that

is perhaps. I think it's a dishonor. You're framing it as though that's the end goal when in reality that's a consequence of their illegal behavior. The end goal was to separate kids as a deterrent. That's what and that is what they did. Was it done stare and dip or was it because a huge amount of coyotes were coming over with kids that weren't theirs and claimed they were theirs. What they did was they called it a zero tolerance policy because as I mentioned before, the first offense is a misdemeanor, the second offense is a felony, but most of the time they don't pursue these charges.

It's called a removal. They turn them away at the border. But before we would send them back with their kids under this policy, which he ended up ending via executive order because there was so much political pressure put on him because this policy is insane to kidnap kids, put them in foster care system. That's where they go. Wait, what do you mean? I like it a lot. I like the, if that, uh, first of all, I don't think that's the case, but second of all, if that is the case, I like that even more now.

What wasn't the case? Well, what I think is happening is that people are being arrested in the country with their, you know, for any number of crimes and they've got their kid with them or they're crossing the border and they've got a child with them who knows who the child is and they're detained and they separate those two individuals because only one of them is an adult and he's saying yes my kid in a different language than me I don't know about that so we're gonna separate we're gonna work that out if the end result of that is that this guy doesn't get the kid back that's just the end result of it like I don't understand the problem here yeah absolutely what is

he doing here why is he invading my country so why is he invading my country? Thank you, Kyle. You keep drawing this analogy of like if somebody commits a crime in the United States, they're temporarily separated from the kid. That's true. If me and my kid invade... If you got out of jail, you're reunited with your kid. We don't just like take people's kids away unless there was abuse. And what we don't normally... We don't automatically put the kid... I mean... Like send them over to CPS and then... This is an operations issue. First of all, these quote unquote kids you keep talking about... Let me finish my point. Let me finish my point. Let's look at the accessories. We don't automatically put the kid like send them over. This is an operations

Let me finish my point real quick We don't we don't take kids away from people who commit crimes and then put them in the foster care system like We do we try to fight we that is the last resort But what we typically do is we set those we find other family to set that kid up That's what happens the overwhelming majority of the time. What you guys are saying is that it would be an acceptable policy if we just took the person's kid away, lost track of where the kid was, and then they never get the kid back. Nobody said no. And I think that over and over and we keep saying, no,

stop saying that. We keep saying that's not what we're saying, but you're not listening. Like the, do you think, do you think there would be more or less of this? Hold on. Do you think, do you think there would be, do you think there would be more or less of this? Hold on. Do you think there would be more or less of this issue if we had stringent border policies that didn't incentivize people to come here illegally? You know how I know it wasn't a policy because you're saying we only got two thousand. No, no, no. There were tens of thousands, but there were two 2000 that never got reunited with their parents. Oh, that's what happened. Exactly. So millions of people came. Why did

we only keep 2000? Why do we only keep those two? They lost track of those kids in the system. This was the result of what was called anybody can do this. Right. And anybody in PKA comments, just Google the policy tolerance policy and the family separation policy. This is what happened. And I've kind of like- We've talked about it over and over. What I'm asking you is where are those 2000 kids and how do you mean they're lost in the system?

They lost them in the system. How did you guys not hear about this? I don't know what that means. I literally don't. Do you mean that- They sent them into the American foster care system, set them up with American families, and they literally lost track and they couldn't. That's not how foster care works. That is literally what happened.

Anybody can Google this right now. Someone's coming to check on those kids every fucking month to make sure things are going well at foster care and they say, Hey, is Emilio okay? And they say, yeah. And they check off on a list. So he's on a list somewhere. They didn't lose Emilio. He's just somewhere because his parents are shit. Zach, don't link articles where I have to have a fucking account. You can Google anybody in this call right now and anybody who's reading the comments and PKA right now, you can Google zero tolerance policy, family separation policy, you can see the consequences of that policy.

The reason why Donald Trump ended the policy is because he faced so much political pressure because we lost track of thousands of kids. How can you say you can give a fuck about this because you already said you wouldn't push the magic button to send everyone back to their country of origin? You already said that. You already said given the option, if you could send every- How are you drawing a line from that to like, I can't be, I can't be opposed to kidnapping kids. Because it makes it clear, at least to me, that you're using this point as like a way

of politically expediting your greater point, which is that you don't mind this horde of people coming over into our country. Because if you really cared, like you would have if you really cared about those kids and the families and everything, you would have if you really cared about those kids and the families and everything You would have agreed that yes I'll push the magic button that sends everyone back to their country of origin families Yeah, no, no, no, but that's why it's called a high Nation bill it's called a hypothetical question and it can be used to discern motives

There there are all kinds of reasons why I wouldn't press that button number one I don't think Americans want to pay higher prices for these goods. But number two, this has nothing to do with the family separation policy. That was a policy that happened on Donald Trump's watch. Is that a button that would immediately fix the family separation policy? Hang on a minute, hang on a minute. Hang on. Thanks of this.

Two things to think one, Hutch is very much like pretty much right about about the like 1400 kids. Like what it says here is Trump administration had no way to reunite these 1400 kids with their parents. And I'm perfectly fine with that, Hutch, because I bet if I'm in another country and I hear that and I got like three or four kids, I'm thinking, oh, God, there's no way I'd get them all back.

I'm picturing the reality, there's no way I'd get them all back. I'm picturing the reality of what this looks like, right? Moms holding their three year old kids, mom crying, kid primal screams and being like, yeah, I'm breaking up this family for good. This, this is not making the world a better place. There's a rugged clip of him talking about that. I kept it American now, first of all. So when, all right. Yeah, and to Kyle's point,

that would de-incentivize this. You don't want to incentivize illegal immigration. That's not the answer. What if we shot them? Like, is that a good idea? No, I think that's ridiculous. There's no way to de-incentivize them. In what situation? It would de-incentivize them, right? Yeah, is that a good idea? No, I think that's ridiculous. There's no, hang on, hang on. In what situation? It would de-incentivize them, right? Yeah. I think there are great. Honestly, so coming as a parent,

being murdered and having my children taken from me, I'd pick murder me. And I don't think you're a good parent if you have a different answer. I respect that and I agree with you. But yeah, you don't need to say, oh, we're going to deport you immediately. Oh, why not just yeah, you don't need to say, oh, we're gonna deport you immediately. Oh, why not just kill them? It's like, no, well, fucking pump the brakes. That's absurd. I'm sorry, I was comparing the killing

to the taking their kids away. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. Yeah, taking their kids away to me seems like a punishment that doesn't fit the crime. I'm not denying that it's a crime or that we don't need to do better on this. But taking kids away is a kind of evil

that I don't want America to be. I think a big issue with it is that like a lot of these groups are breaking into the country, felony behavior, by the way, and there's no documentation that they have in order to show like, hey, this group of girls with me, these are all my daughters or whatever. Because we also do know that there's a human trafficking issue down there.

And so they do have to be stringent with it and be like, hey, you gotta prove this fucking girl is your daughter before we send you to fucking Montana with a housing voucher and you have this girl with you. Like there's no- This is good stuff, man. I'm reading through this. You keep bringing up the, wait, what's up, Kyle?

He's reading the article that Zach linked to. Trump said, quote, it stopped people from coming by the hundreds of thousands, he said, because when they hear family separation, they say, well, we better not go. And they didn't go. It was meant to be a deterrent. I like that. I think that the lengths that they went to with that is like almost unspeakably. I wanted alligators.

You know what I also like? They had this thing in Texas, right? And these huge buoys. Have you seen the buoys in the river? What would he the in the Rio Grande or whatever? With the barbed wire, the ones that drown people. I don't know if I can picture one. I've heard about them.

I read what they've got. They're the round buoys and there's no gap between them and they're connected with cable, I presume. But there's they're so big that there's no way to hold it safely It doesn't have like a pool edge worse It's really big so you can't even swim under it like you'd have to because they're carrying stuff as well You're not like naked ready for like diving you've got your shit with you So you can't swim under it you can't clamber over it so they swim out there and they get stuck and they sort of like

Paddle against it and they drown they die apparently So that's controversial for some reason the So they swim out there and they get stuck and they sort of like paddle against it and they drown and they die apparently. So that's controversial for some reason, the buoys. But I saw Governor Abbott was installing some new buoys the other day. They're building wall right now, you know? Honestly, I don't know what to think about the buoy. To me, a buoy is just a water wall, right? Zach, show us those Mexican border buoy.

Better idea, I maybe didn't describe it well. Yeah, I still think I could navigate this buoy. Oh, fuck yeah, you could. You could do anything. You could be on the bed of the river and you dig a hole underneath it. Swim through that. I could get past those buoys.

Absolutely. We'll see what Zach's picture looks like if it changes my mind. Yeah, but no, I just don't like them coming here. It is the answer. And when I say them, it's not a race or a nationality or a color. It's literally people who don't belong that we haven't checked out. We haven't vetted. We spent so much time locking up people for COVID who went outside without a mask,

but we just parade these people across the board who come from African and Asian nations where That's where the virus has come from if we haven't been like keeping score I don't think that's racist either like like every we're finding out more and more about that Wuhan lab By the way, we have to decouple the two things though So there's like the problem of people like border crossing but that's not the problem that that's not the bigger problem here The bigger problem is the amount of people that are applying for asylum that then have a legal right to come into the country. And so we talk about like food vouchers.

Well, it's like, okay, well, if you allow someone to come in the country, like, I think you do have a responsibility to make sure that they have their immediate needs met right when they first get here. And we talk about these plane rides. Well, what we're doing is we're flying people to like sponsor families in the country. I agree that the that the asylum laws as they're written right now are totally untenable. They were written decades ago when we were not seeing the level of influx that we're seeing now. Certainly the level of influx that happened under Biden was completely untenable. He waited too long to address that issue for sure. But the immigration bill that they negotiated in Congress

addressed those asylum laws. They tightened those asylum laws. And so I- Yeah, and the Republicans outmaneuvered you. So we're here where we are now. Related question. Do you guys see the results of illegal immigration in your personal universe?

Yeah, yeah. Lawn care, $70, both yards. Hmm. Yeah lawn care $70 both yards Hmm. Are you saying it's cheap? It's so cheap then and you can like if you There's a like a translate app for Android. Holy shit. I get these guys do guys do anything like like they're they're like, I don't know He's got some sort of mental Like like price like like thing going on cuz I'm like I'm like what have you picked up that log eight dollars and then like what if you fix that fence thirty seven dollars like everything's got a fucking price these guys are great because there's that and you know my grandfather he was

an illegal immigrant. That's why I would happily press the button by the way. No that's why I would happily do that's how you know you've made it in life when you got a white man cutting your grass. I have a white man cutting my grass. That's the dream I wish for all Americans. That's right. A white man cutting your grass, and that's what we could go back to. We could have all white people cutting grass

if we just support the illegals. All white people, you know what a grass cutter's gonna make in Trump's America? Fucking 50 grand a year plus benefits. Hundreds of thousands. Hundreds of thousands, I'm sorry. That's right. Yeah I was looking at I was looking at how many children we were gonna keep This is this is totally not a political thing, but uh, I

Ate I want to know like do you guys ever eat absurd dinners when you're by yourself? described Like do you guys ever eat absurd dinners when you're by yourself? Describe, define absurd dinner. Like what are we talking about? I ate last night for dinner. I ate a 30 ounce pork tenderloin by myself with no sides. That's all right. Is that a, like it's a very boy meal. Do you guys ever do shit like that? Where you just, I, I, I'm doing pull-ups and dips all the time.

I got to, I got to, I got to digestion though. No, I've got like a, I'm blessed with like the iron stomach thing. Like nothing really upsets me. He's been training that all meat diet for most of his life. The amount of abused my digestive tract with cured meats, cheeses, everything, nothing even phases. Let's not talk about his circulatory system. We can only imagine what kind of

clotting he has in his early 30s. No, no, buddy. No, Taylor, I go the other direction. If I have to prepare my own food, it's like, did you have lunch when I was out? Yeah, Yeah. Like eight almonds. I'm still hungry though. I'm envious of that because I, I never go low calorie when I'm by myself ever. Like I always end up eating too much. I eat that. I never go by effort when I'm by myself. Bad to lose. Um, like more than two pounds a week? I'm losing weight right now.

It depends on where your starting period is. For you, like you don't look overweight at all and so two pounds a week for you is like a, that's a good clip. Well I'm on the high end of like a healthy weight so like my, I'm 6'3 so it's like 180 to 210 is kind of the I think the healthy range and I was up to 206 but it all went to my belly. Like I'm I look like I'm fucking smuggling a watermelon everywhere I go and so I've been I've been I've been cutting calories like crazy. I'm only eating like 1200 calories a day right now. Oh no no you gotta, you got to change that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Yeah. Yeah. It'll mess with your metabolism. Because what you're, yeah, you're creating a new normal for your body. Your body's saying, oh, we have 1200 a day to live on from now on. Okay. If you ever give me more than that, I'll know that we've got that it's milk and honey and

plenty and I can start packing on the fat. And so like sudden, you'll crash your metabolism, essentially. So, um, I don't know, I could spend an half an hour describing how to speed up your metabolism. But what I would do is, um, just, just cut like three or 400 calories, two pounds a week is fine, but don't, don't, don't starve yourself. That's the answer. Two pounds a week. I would call on the, on the high side of desirable, you know, one and a half pounds a week is also good. And I think the answer to put it shortly is strength training, 2,200 calories a week, something like that.

I'm eating into the weight stuff. Oh, I'm sorry, a day, yeah, that's a big difference. A week, you don't wanna kill yourself. What I started with was, and I started doing it after the election actually. So like the day after the election, I was like, I'm gonna start doing 10,000 steps a day, so I've been yeah for pretty damn well just starting my day with walking for fucking an hour and 40 minutes and

If you do ten minutes after every meal that'll be super beneficial to I heard that does it help distribute the fat better if you're like I know right after you eat or why? No, that's nonsense. It's a few things. It's metabolism, but also digestion. If you do that, if you keep walking like you are and you just got a few hundred calories out, you'll lose weight fast and you don't have much to lose. That's the benefit.

Like losing 10 pounds is nothing. I would not do the sit-ups by the way. They don't exercise the most of the time that you want. I'm doing planks. I'm doing planks. Doesn't do anything either. Planks are better than sit ups. If you want to build core strength because maybe your back hurts or maybe you're going to be a dancer or something, you know what I mean? Then do planks. All right? But if

you're trying to burn calories for the sake of looking better and like losing weight, like planks aren't it, walking is. Hot bath is better than a plank. Hot bath is the same as a walk. If you're trying to look good, let me do this. If you're trying to look good and you seem to like calisthenics, pushups and pull-ups have a really

desirable effect on your body. The pushups will make your chest pop better and guys look good when their chest sticks out further than their stomach They also make your deltoids pop better and shirts hang nicely on you when your deltoids are grown So that's your chest and your delts the pull-ups some strength training at the gym I'm doing like the ocean the pole and all that. That's good I didn't know that once or twice a week right now. Now you need steroids. I know don't don't don't listen Don't don't jump up to the house

I don't want to dismiss it. You're basically a female you realize that right? Yeah, of course you can I do steroids yeah Kyle those steroids and he's jacked up yeah, you know jacked up I was told that it was fucking illegal No, if you're competing in something, it's illegal. But like if you as a man just want to do steroids, that's totally fine Yeah, it's TRT. Where do you get them though? Google TRT clinic near me don't do that go to Merrick health Derek who's on JRE today if y'all want to see the same thing as like anabolic steroids No, no, no. No. No. No T. Yes. Why are you saying? No. Yeah exactly the same drug Dude TRT is way less intense than fucking an Avar. It is an anabolic steroid

An Avar you can get an Avar from TRT clinics. Like, what are you talking about? You can, but I'm saying TRT as a therapy is lower intensity than like taking dosed out anavar. No, it is not. Can you explain? Well, I defer to your expertise. So what exactly started? It's a testosterone, it's an anabolic steroid.

What started happening? Like, what were the, what does it do? Like, yeah. Okay, start from the beginning. You it do? Like yeah. Okay. When you start from the beginning, you can go to Merrick health.com do and via telemedicine. If you you'll get it, you'll go do blood work. They'll evaluate your blood work. A doctor will, you'll do a teladoc visit with him, go over your symptoms and your blood

work and he'll prescribe you TRT plus some other stuff. Maybe like, like they fixed an issue. I had my thyroid with supplementation. Is this outside of network or does insurance cover all of this stuff? That's a question for them. I just pay cash because they give me a discount because I'm cool like that. But if you do everything as quick, if you answer every email on time and you go to every appointment as quickly as it's given to you to you you have medicine in like seven or ten days or

something like that and you know you inject yourself you know with with you inject yourself I injected daily forever a lot of people helps with with muscle recovery right like so you're able to know like no okay you you will become a super physiological version of yourself. You won't be 5% better or 10% better. You will be a super human being. Like you will be, you will have as much testosterone as any human being should have because it varies.

Like, like it just like height. Like some people just have low T and it affects their bone density, their strength, their muscle density, their healing factor, their emotions, their how depressed they can get about certain things and lots of stuff like their sexuality. You have to couple it with exercise, right? Like not to just shoot up.

They did a study. No, no, no. They did a study where they had one group of men work out without testosterone They had another group of men not work out with testosterone and the testosterone guys Build it built more muscle over the test period over the three or four months or whatever Sitting and doing nothing on sitting and doing nothing on T You will build more muscle over three months than working out as a normal man. That's what we're talking about. How does the muscle even? I don't understand that at all.

The testosterone is... you ever see like a bull in a pasture and he's just fucking jacked? Now have you ever seen a bull do a pull-up? I've been charged that. He is rife. Now what you will notice is his testicles are the size of your fucking fist doubled up He is so right with testosterone. He is just maintaining that that's my old size testicles to me You know like oh, yeah old guys lose their teeth lose their muscles Like it will just maintain muscularity on your frame But what you want to do is couple the testosterone with regular blood tests, perfect nutrition, you know, hypertrophy workouts and calorie surpluses and like maximize every

drip of that testosterone, all that advantage you're getting. And you can like really transform your body. Like you can. Yeah. You could look like what's a scars guard. You can look scar. I think you're not as tall as him, but you've almost got like, like scars guard used to be skinny. And then he got on the testosterone for Tarzan.

You could look like you. Yeah, you could go Northman mode with juice. Cause I think scars guard had to be on something. Cause I've seen him like normal and he's very flat and like not a muscular guy. He's very tall. Kind of lanky normally. Kyle is constantly trying to get me on steroids and TRT.

And at some point I'm gonna give in because I do wanna unlock my genetic potential. I wanna see how huge I can get. I just wanna look like Ryan Gosling in Crazy Stupid Love. That I don't think I'm asking too much. No, I want to be so big I'm threatening to people walking down the road. I get it.

I fucking do. At least once in my life, I'm right there with you. You're 6'3". And so you've got the, you've got the bones for it. Like you just got a, and I saw, I saw a tweet you made a few weeks ago and I tried to, uh, it was about fitness. And I tried to respond with like a good, like little breakout plan of like, you know, hypertrophy training, this, that, and the other thing, but I wasn't entirely sure what you were doing.

Hi, Perth. Hi. What's it called? Yeah. I downloaded the app by that Dr. Mike guy. Okay. I'm not familiar with him, But like kyle's 100 right like you can become a Maximal man if you do the trt and the anovar or even just your pictures, right? Yeah, kyle's before and afters are crazy. He's he got he got shredded He was so i've never seen a thirstier man. I'm not trying to like to my own horn, but it's the time period I did it that I'm trying to like, like talk about it because that's just like. But that took you like a year, right?

Ten months, right? Ten months, I think. Eight months of it working out every day. Yeah, every day for ten months. You know, I take one rest day. I don't want to do that. No, no, no. Here's the thing that you're not considering that Kyle actually convinced me fully of is

that real saucy. When I was talking to Kyle about working out at the time, because I had already been working out and weightlifting for many years when Kyle started this. And he was like, Taylor, you don't get it. Like soreness is not existing. Like it doesn't exist in the TRT steroid world. You don't, like if I do a ton of, I did a ton of pull-ups and dips and workout today.

Like if I weren't in the regiment of doing this all the time, I'd wake up sore tomorrow. Kyle says that when you take these things, you can work out until like the point of absolute exhaustion and you wake up the next day, no soreness. Everything's ready. I would do my, I would do like dealt raises. That would be the last thing I do.

And I've read that people that you should, your priorities should be the first thing you do cause you're most focused. But I'm like, no, no, no. I'm gonna beat myself into the ground at the end. My most important thing is the last thing I do, because that's the one I try to make myself cry on. So I would do these drop sets where I did my normal workout, which was like 45s or something like delt raises. And then I

would be on the five pound weights and the two and a half pound weights. And I would just be lifting those five pound weights, screaming inside. And then I would like twist my wrist at the high points. And like, yeah, yeah. All the way to the top of twist, jiggle twist, jiggle twist. Oh, and just like trying to hurt my delts as much as possible. I would go home and like, can't drive. Like, like my hands are like this and the next day, let's say you get like really fucking jacked Is that muscle?

Like and let's say you just stop working out like does the muscle stay there does it diminish? I'll just go away It'll stay for a long while as long as you have as long as you're hitting a requisite Protein total in your daily diet if you start if you were to like work out all the time. Yeah, and I mean, taking the juice helps, but even like me, like I've never taken TRT, I've never done steroids or anything, I just live naturally and I have for a long time. If I end up taking like a two month break, three month break

where I just kind of lose interest in it, I can notice my muscles not being as tight, the vascularity going down, but it's also a thing of like trainability where when I jump into working out the next time, everything comes back like rapidly. You've unlocked potential. Yeah, you don't have to go through that same like the first time you get a bunch of muscle, it takes so much fucking effort. It's really, really difficult. Unless you're on, if you're doing it naturally like I did it took a lot of effort like huge amounts of sustained progress That's the other thing I was gonna talk about like you're talking about your weight

So I wanted to be like incredibly autistic about it. I got myself DEXA scanned every 30 days So they it's like an x-ray that takes your body fat percentage Yeah And and also your muscle percentage. So we could track down to like what 10th of a pound, how much muscle I was gaining per month. Some of the numbers we don't know what to do with some of the numbers. I don't want to say because they're unbelievable. Like, like, like more than 10 pounds of muscle a month.

Sometimes like shocking numbers, like, like crazy, like, like there was a period in the middle where it was like, man, everything is just clicking. Like I would go back and my, my inclined bench was going up 10 pounds a week. Every week. That's an, like for, for like the workout people listening to this, that's only a sustainable track if you're on anabolic steroids and TRT, but like another positive for you, Hutch, if you decided not to do that, you've got, because like, I don't know if you've ever like had a strict lifting regimen for a long time,

but you've got six to eight months of new gains baked into that. And you will, you will get, if you stick with it for six, eight months, you will gain so much fucking muscle. It will be recognizable. For the protein intake, they do one gram of protein per lean mass, right? Is that what it is? Yeah.

Another rough estimate is two grams of protein for body weight. They say different things. Like if I'm trying to bulk. Two grams of protein per body weight? Yeah, which is, you know, compared to lean mass, you're not gonna be too far on those numbers. Did I say a hundred grams, a hundred kilograms, a hundred a day?

A hundred a day is a good place to be. More moreover, like every meal, there should be something about the size of your palm that's protein, like a chunk. Yeah, I was doing that. I was tracking the macros and so like my target was 160 grams, which is kind of a lot. That's that's too much. That's too late Kyle

You're saying a hundred grams a day Yeah, he's like a hundred eighty eight. He's like 200 pounds. Yeah, a hundred hundreds of ten or today's fun Oh, what would you say Taylor? What's your number? I? Just know on my own body like when I'm trying to bulk and get big I'm trying to hit like no No, I would have said 130. So those are ballparks. Yeah, yeah. I'm not trying to go crazy right now. I'm easing into it with like the 10K steps is actually helping,

because that's getting a lot easier. And then when you do the cardio, it makes the strength training easier, right? Like you have more energy to do more sets, right? Yeah, as long as you're not burning yourself out on cardio, like the way you should see cardio. It's never going to be the limiting factor. If you're trying to build muscle, all of your

energy should be in the weight training stuff. And if you have a little extra gas in the tank, then you can do some running and whatnot. But especially someone like you, like you naturally have a lean build, you're tall. Like if I were you in your body and I was really trying to pack on muscle, I would probably disregard the running or elliptical or whatever you're doing. Still keep the 10K steps up because that's great. That's just baseline activity, but all weight lifting, all heavy compound lifts or just, you can get the weight lifting industry, the fitness industry obviously has a vested interest in making people believe it's much more complicated than it is. Whereas like you can, there are people who have gotten shredded off of doing nothing but calisthenics, like jacked huge.

And it's not easy, but it's because they're doing unbelievably high volume pull-ups, incredibly high volume dips, incredibly high volume push ups. And all you need is a weighted vest in those situations to get big. I got a buddy who does it's it's like, it's true. He called it like a dad. It's like a dad routine. And all he does is literally just burpees and he's fucking shredded. But he just does a shitload of burpees.

That dude, fuck that. Burpees suck. And I they do. I don't know how you would get other than you don't want to do that. Other than the part of it, how would you get like a cardio? How would you get good anterior delts?

You don't burpees are cardio that but he's pretty jacked. OK, you'll get jacked. But like it'll hurt like I like to when I do things I have to like I like to do them all the way or not at all. And so like the best way to do it, if you're gaining muscle is to not be doing any cardio.

You don't do any cardio because that's calories that your muscles needed. Like the reason you're eating it. Yeah, because what you're doing is not trying to build maximum muscle and minimum time. You're just trying to get fit. So you should just do anything that gets you like active and moving around.

So lift weights and jog and walk and machine, but you know, do 20 or 30 minutes of physical activity every day with your heart rate elevated and keep your calories maybe 200 or 300 below what you would normally do, like probably 2000 for you a day, 2200 a day. I would do 2000 or 2200 calories a day. And then I would watch the scale and I would see what happens to the scale And then I do a little quick math to to to make that into two pounds a week

So 3500 calories is one pound of fat so you can do that math It is you should pivot your goal though away from just being fit like get some big arms, dude Get some big shoulders. A nice chest. I think I'm doing it. He's very tall and lanky, Taylor. It's gonna be harder for him because he's tall. You can't see, but I filled out quite a bit.

I'm not like, back in like the respawn area, I was very gaunt, looked like I was on meth, but- You were very thin, yeah. I'm 200 pounds now, so I'm not like, you know- Fair, fair, fair. I'm not like a small person, but I feel like I'm doing it the right way this time, because I'm like, I'm going into it with realistic goals, you I'm like I'm I'm going into with

Realistic goals, you know Like the 10k steps is actually kind of fucking hard in the beginning because I just was not very active and so now I'm definitely like noticing the gains. I actually like the walks. It's not really difficult That's great listen to listen to an audiobook and I'm slowly easing into the to the weight training I think what I did before was I feel like this is a mistake that a lot of people make where it's like, all right, I'm gonna get fucking fit. It's the new year or whatever. And then they set this schedule of like,

I'm gonna go four or five times a day. And then I would just fucking burn out after like four months or three months. I did a personal trainer for a little bit. And this time it's like a good pace for me right now. All right, I'm not gonna like make my life miserable. I'm just kind of just- That's good.

I wanna throw this out there and get hurt. Push, pull, legs, rest made a huge difference for me. What I did prior to that was full body, Monday, Wednesday, Friday. And the way it worked out for me is I'd work out pretty well on Monday, and then on Wednesday I'd be like a little bit sore. I'd come into it at like 85%.

And then by Friday, I really wanted to skip because I'm coming into it at like 85% and then by Friday, I really wanted to skip, because I'm coming into it at like 65%, sore from the two workouts earlier that week, because I'm only giving my body one rest day. Push, pull, legs, rest, right? So you do push and then that push, those muscles aren't coming back for four days. They get a nice long rest.

Do pull, they get four days. They're resting during long rest to pull. They get four days. They're resting during leg day. They're resting during push day. Then legs and rest. How many sets during one workout are you doing? I work out for about an hour. Three to four? Yeah. So, so Do you do three by 15?

Three by 12. I do three by eight. Or three by 15. Yeah. And when I do 12 easily, I raise the weight and I'm doing eight again I guys do the rest the the what is it the reserve in? What the fuck is it called our our IR where you like you you do it until you have and three reps in reserve Reps in reserve. That's what I'm thinking of No, I think this is an important question

So part of like building the muscle is is achieving the hypertrophy like and it's really taxing your muscles to failure I think. So the way I and this was key to like the whole program that Derek gave me I felt like was understanding that you're gonna go like like three sets 15 reps or 12 reps is what I usually did on most things. Three sets 12 reps or four or 12 reps is what I usually did on most things three sets 12 reps or four sets 12 reps Whatever it may be but the idea is that on that last set that you shouldn't be able to get the 12 reps Mm-hmm it should not you should every time you go into the gym and you've got it I would have I have a book and

It'll say incline bench three by twelve and it says 195 pounds or whatever weight I'm putting on for that and At the end it'll it it'll, I'll write, I'll have written the four days prior what rep on the third set did I fail on and it'll be 10 or it'll be 11 or it'll be nine. It'll be something like that. And the only time I'm going to add more weight is when I'm able to get that 12th rep, the day I get that 12th rep next week, we're adding some half pound weights on each side. Now it's 196 pounds. But of course I'm going to gauge. I'm hoping again I fail on the third set between the eighth and 12th rep. And if

I don't, then I adjust accordingly. I have fractional weight plates that are a quarter pound each. I can go down another half pound or I can go up another half pound whatever I need to be but the point is I want to just barely be able to get there every single time and what I'm doing is I'm hurting myself the same intensity every single time and I'm in between the reps but between the sets I would would, I varied it. I tend to be on the longer side and I change it depending on the workout. So on a big compound movement, like an incline bench press,

three and a half minutes probably. And during that three and a half minutes, I'm pacing the whole time. I never stopped moving. Cause just from the lift, it'll make my heart rate skyrocket probably an extra 25 beats. And if I walk, I can ride that 25 out for extra long and burn those calories in between.

I just want to add on to what Kyle said about going to 12. I agree with everything you said. I would add if your form isn't perfect to get to that 12, that's a failure, you haven't earned new weight yet. Also, if you did it fast, right? Maybe you're doing overhead presses and you blast out 12 quickly, so you don't have as much time under tension, that's a failure, you haven't earned more weight yet. When you can do 12, good form at your desired pace,

that's a success, you've earned new weight. Yeah, and the time under tension thing is key. Like volume equals size. That's what you talk to anybody who's huge, volume equals size, and that it means increasing the time under tension. And so like today- So can I interrupt you because there's some new science on this. So that's more true for lower body than upper body. If you think about those two muscle groups and how they're utilized naturally and biologically It makes sense because your legs are meant for that constant all day every day use and your arms are like, okay Here's the thing. Let me do that real strongly. Okay, we got plenty of time to recover now. So your legs

They need a lot of reps. I I do 15. I went to 15 reps on legs a long time ago It sucks, but it's true. Maybe even another fucking set of 15, loser. Do you do a three by 12 for upper body and three by 15 for lower? I do three by 15 for everything. I'm just, it's very specific exercises. It depends. And I've got it kind of in my head.

When I'm doing cable stuff, I usually just torture myself like like I just keep it. I'll just torture my I'll get my workout Like I'll get my 3x12 and I'll be like I didn't hurt enough. I Mean I didn't hurt enough and I like cables because you can really like tune it in and you can change the angle And you could just step to the left a little or the right a little we can face it and you can just you can hit your muscle in so many different angles and it feels like you can just fuck your shit up but with incline i don't want to mess around like that because i got a lot of weight above my head or with overhead press or anything like that where i'm like a lot of weight over literally i never do i was doing um for literally today i was doing uh i've been i get bored of workouts and so I try and pivot

towards different strategies for working out to keep it novel to myself. So it's interesting. And so I've been trying to like lean heavily on a couple. I have a gym in my basement. So like some heavy compound lifts, but I'm trying to really up my dip and pull up volume. And so today, like I just, before I started working out, I had a goal that I wanted to get like 120, 130 pull ups total over the course of the workout. And by the time I got to like 110, my arms were so fucked that I was like, I don't think I'm going to make it. There's no way I can pull myself up on this bar. And so I went in my basement and I got a resistance band and I looped that around my pull ups. And so I was like, all right, well, like if I stand on this large looping resistance band, it's going to make it

way easier, but I'm still going to get those reps in. Like I'm still going to make that happen. I got a machine for that. I'm sure you know. I saw and that's, I'm incredibly jealous. I love that machine you have. it's not that bad. It's the one thing I want to throw in. I like the older you get, the more immaculate your form has to be. If it's not that way, I look up on YouTube tutorials. I'm pretty clear. I don't want to get hurt either. That's the other thing. I love both dudes for that.

Dude, it's silly there. But man, they they'll do a video in two minutes that shows you the perfect form They might also show some traps, you know, like like this is if you're doing deadlifts is the thing not to do that A lot. It's pretty common mistake buff dudes is they just have every exercise out there every movement and They're entertaining and they're right to the point. Yeah Dr. Mike if you guys don't know who he is, he's super funny I don't he's he's, he's super funny. I don't.

And he's put out a ton of really interesting, he gets into the science of it too. All right, I got two more questions for you. And then I gotta go, because I'm doing an all-nighter tomorrow. So. The show's over. Oh shit.

Yeah, we're almost over. It's nine minutes to go. Indiana Jones is coming out, so I'm trying to do a 24-hour stream. So I'm gonna buy a bunch of protein and vegetables and shit. But. Fair enough. Okay, so the first question is, is is there generally like a better time of the day that it's due to that

It's better to know workout or does that depend on the person and then the other question is like how long are you actually spending? At the gym or rather working out okay, so the only time I think it matters I Am in my case like to do fasted cardio if if I'm going to do any cardio at all. I think there's been some research to something about it burns fat better. I think the idea is you don't have like insulin in your system or as much of it to like use as that little afterburner fuel, you immediately start burning, going to your fat reserves because with fasted cardio, that may or may not be true, but it's what I do. And I do that as soon as I wake up, like as soon as I wake up, it's time to go. Like,

I don't like fuck around about it. Like I don't want to like wake up, not eat for three hours and then do cardio. So as soon as I wake up, if I'm going to do fasted cardio, I mean, I'm like, I don't even wash my face. I'm just putting my shoes on and I'm getting at it. That's, that's what I'm doing. I'm waking up and I'm doing the steps like right away, But I eat a banana just so I have like a little bit of energy. So it definitely doesn't matter what time of the day. That's just personal preference. I worked out during the pandemic almost exclusively at 3 a.m. and just shifted my whole like sleep schedule to nocturnal so I could avoid people and work

out at the gym by myself. So it really doesn't matter. You know what? That's the good thing about getting old is like Woody you were talking about it earlier about. What good thing about getting old? I can't wait to hear this. You're closer to the great abyss. You stop giving a fuck, man. I remember going to like the gym when I was in my twenties or even sometimes in my thirties

and I felt very self-conscious. Everybody fucking knows. Oh, I did. Oh, I certainly felt self-conscious. Oh, I do. People say nobody's looking. I look, motherfucker. Oh, I certainly felt stuff conscious. Oh, I do People say nobody's looking I look Motherfucker, I'm judging people left and right. I'm thinking don't say this to someone who's like getting into it I'll let you know If I see a fatty, no, I can remember like I would be in there three in the morning

Just fucking watching the fat. No, I was looking I was in there looking good All right I'm in there fucking sculpted over there shirt sticking to me and shit. And I see a fatty over there working hard on the on the incline machine. And he was there like he he was there for like an hour and a half still going when I left and I was like, Good job, buddy. And he didn't give a fuck. He didn't give a fuck. When I when I see your attitude, when I see fat people at the gym are working out like my genuine thought is like, hell yeah.

Like, good for this person. This person showed up, they clearly conquered their fear of being judged in this and now they're just on the grind. I hope they stick to it. Dude, I was there at three. I've seen so many heavy people say that they are self-conscious at the gym. Like they're going to be judged by all the people there. But I haven't met anyone who says I judge people it's always welcoming opening the door I

judge a little yeah I remember there was a there was an old gym girls are pretty welcoming we want people involved in our hobby it depends there was an older guy there wearing cowboy boots and jeans and he was like telling lies about how much he used to be able to lift before the war whatever that's man yeah and he's telling to me because I'm I wasn't gargantuan at the time, but I was the biggest person there. And he's like made me his like workout buddy now. So he's like right next to me where I

think I see you guys pictures of him in his boots, like just of his shoes. I was like, we're at the gym. Like cowboys wear. Yeah. Oh, I remember he went to the Smith machine with an ungodly amount on it and like just futzed around with it for 45 minutes and then left. Yeah, that's the thing that like I that is a thing and I've been on the I've been home gym master race for many years now but when I like do go to a gym and I the only thing I'll judge is if I can tell that the person doesn't have a plan.

And that's only because people without a plan tend to soak up more stations than they mean to, where it'll be like, okay, that guy just did one set of three by six squats. Well, that's not a structure. And then he went over to the, uh, the leg press. And now he's doing some weird form there. And it's like, no, that I'm judging in a way of like, this guy isn't getting it done correctly. If it weren't rude, I would go over to him and be like, Hey man, like, I don't know who gave you your plan, but I can really help you here. Like, yep. You don't want to be going to this station and doing one by six squats, or even work like put a low weight on there. So you're more comfortable and you can actually hit

parallel and you know, do whatever that weight is. That ties into what I've been waiting to say. I don't judge your appearance, but I judge your form. And I don't judge your weight. If I see you just with awful form doing basically, you know, putting your legs involved in your overhead press, I'm like, that's not your weight. You're cheating. I'm not giving you credit for those. Yeah. That's why if you're doing overhead presses, you got to do seated military press. It's the only way to remove the legs from cheatery. I do miss the public gym though, because I would show off on the, on the,

they had like this pull-up system where it was like, there's a cable machine on the left cable machine on the right and this big cage that like connects them at the top but that whole cage is connects is like a multi-angled multi-grip pull-up thing and I would just like do all sorts of like crazy pull-ups and like without stopping just transition to a new one and just just there's nothing wrong with that I could clearly if I saw you in the gym with the body you had at that time, I wouldn't think this guy's futzing around. I would think this guy is going to burn out right now. I'd be like, I need to do a Spider-Man pull-ups.

Like, and I would definitely judge the people who like, like there was me and a black guy, there was a skinny black guy who was ripped and a gigantic black guy. Same bone density. Same bone density. I have Negroid bone density it's been measured. I watched to see if he flinched. That's what it said on the form god damn it. I'm just reading it off the face. I met a doctor lady gave me the face of it. Well I went to my local phrenology clinic. I was down in... From Deadwood. Did you ever watch Deadwood? Mm hmm. Yeah, he says that line.

Yeah. Well, that used to be the... I don't have to go, boys, but Taylor, you sent me... One time you sent me your push, push, pull, leg routine in DMs. Will you send that again? Yeah, yeah, I'll send it to the best again. Send it to my Twitter DMs. But it was really good talking to you guys and catching up with you guys.

Always is. Totally disagree on immigration and protectionism, but I enjoyed the rest of the conversation very much, and especially the last bit, I'm gonna use these tips. So yeah. For sure. Well, take care, man. Seems like you're doing well. I hope it continues. Enjoy Indiana Jones. You too, guys. Bye-bye. Enjoy. Later, man. All right, I got to write that down. I got to send Hutch PPL routine. I like like I that's like the most unfair thing when people are like, oh, gym, gym people are like this inaccessible, like rude group. Every single friend I have that's into the gym and lifting the way I

am is like excited when someone starts it. Cause they're like, oh dude, like I can tell you stuff that I wish I knew early on and I can like guide you in this process and we can enjoy these gains together. So much time. The PPL, oh, I'm sorry. I thought there was a break. Nah, I was gonna make a stupid joke.

It's okay. I'm really sorry. The PPL thing is the thing I really, really wanted them to hear because I've talked to other people about this idea. Like on Monday I'm at 100% and then on Wednesday I'm waddling in there and on Friday I'm wishing that I wasn't there at all and I'm at 65% and I'm just drained. And other people are like, yes, yes, that's me. How did you solve it?

And it's like PPL. Everything gets four days to rest. It'll change your workouts Yeah, I was just so fortunate to have Derek as a as a guide And it still is you know anytime I I asked Eric something the other day Somebody had a question and he sends me back Paragraphs it's all it's always I like I said earlier. He was on JRE today Yeah, I wonder how it went. I don't know I'm gonna watch after this. Yeah it's cool. Yeah. Is that his third time on the show? Yeah third or fourth maybe it definitely third. I enjoyed having Hutch on I'm glad we didn't we

didn't ruffle any feathers. We were talking about before the show and he was he said that he saw people thought we hated him or thought that he hated us or something and I was like yeah those people understand that like adults can And he said that he saw people thought we hated him or thought that he hated us or something. And I was like, yeah, those people don't understand that like adults can have spirited arguments or discussions or what have you, not really be mad. His immigration policy is bananas. I love that you pinned him down to like,

hey, what if he had a magic button that would just get rid of them? Yeah, I thought that was an interesting way to get to the bottom. It's a good way to get to the bottom of it. It was. He magically go home. There's a nice little rhetorical trick I engaged and it worked.

Well, not even a trick. It was just a hypothetical question. Honestly, I thought it elucidated a lot of his position. I know that you guys thought it was completely bonkers, right? But I don't want illegal immigration. I want controlled immigration, like college admissions almost. Sure. Let's bring in the people that fill in the holes we have. We need some staff. I don't want illegal immigration. I want controlled immigration, like college admissions almost.

Let's bring in the people that fill in the holes we have. But I do think we can overcome some of our low birth rates by having some immigration. This is a desirable country. We can have our population growth pinned to exactly where it should be by having controlled immigration. And when Taylor said, hey, do you want to press that button and shrink the company?

I'm like, man, I've seen shrinking towns, the boarded up windows, the failure. And once a thing starts to shrink, that shrinking just continues to fester like a cancer, just destroy, population shrinking, then schools get shut down, then businesses get shut down, restaurants get shut down, then businesses get shut down, restaurants get shut down, which causes more shrinking and it creates this cycle that is bad. So I don't know what I'd do with that, but that was bloat. I would place the blame of those shrinking cities or counties or whatever at the foot of losing manufacturing more than I would at anything else. Because I lost our way of life.

Yeah, yeah, sure. I think that is often a primary thing. I think sometimes it's weather related where people just migrate to the warmer climates. I think we've seen that in general. But either way, the places that shrink, that shrinking leads to more shrinking and it's hard to turn it around. My position on the birth rate thing would be that we need to create a country in which existing citizens have an incentive to have more children because like the infinite immigration solution I don't think is sustainable long term. That'll just result in a different country over time. Yeah. The number one baby name is now Muhammad in London. Yeah, but I'm sure like 50 years from now,

England will be the same, right? Didn't we discover that wasn't true? And we, the guy said it on the Hangout and we looked into it and it wasn't the key. No, it is the most popular. I saw it today. I've seen it for the past six years. I think that was in Germany, it was it or it had become the number one, but now it's also London

Somewhere it may have maybe all of England, but definitely London. It's Noah. I Read it on reddit today. Oh It's no way. It's Noah London is The rife with Noah's over there, there's no way. And it's on the rise. Noah was the top name in 13 London boroughs. It used to be nine.

Muhammad was overtaken Noah as the top name for baby boys in England and Wales, followed by Noah. And Oliver Muhammad was the second most popular name in 2022 and has been in the top 10 most popular names for baby boys in England and Wales since 2016. The other thing in front of me says Mohammed is next, topping eight boroughs and then Leo.

Yeah, this is like today though. Okay. I'm just reading there. Well Mohammed is more popular. Regardless of which one's right, Mohammed, I didn't, if it's first or second, It's a whole lot of Mohammed. That's a negative for England if they

hope to keep the same character of a nation they've built up over the past, what, 2000 years. Like if I, if you take, you know, if I take 300 million people from China and I put them in New York, that's not New York anymore. Well, it'd be packed shoulder to shoulder with people. 300 million in just New York.

That's so many people. Oh wait, you're doing the state. I'm doing the city. Maybe that's the Chinese. 300 million is still a lot. Well, then pick a different country. If we move 300 million Chinese into Japan, Japan ceases to exist overnight.

Sure, sure. That's a lot. That's a lot of Chinese. Yeah. You all had all I can take. All right. I got our sponsors in the description. Check out Hutch also in the description, pka729.