Painkiller Already - PKN #153

Episode Date: July 28, 2017

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we're live now pkn episode 153 goddamn long for a secondary podcast dude game of thrones happened yes did it so no it wasn't this week there was some criticism oh by the way spoilers no spoiler restrictions knock yourself out if you haven't seen game of thrones yet then you're not a fan so a lot of people fussed about the pacing of the show like did you guys hear that too there were a lot of complaints everyone loved the cold open but yeah so the only complaint i heard was that it went kind of slow i heard lots maybe i haven't looked as into it as you guys so i did not i did not love this episode um i liked it it started off so goddamn strong,

but as a Redditor pointed out, my girlfriend doesn't like it when I climax in the first five minutes. I don't like that from Game of Thrones either. And that's what happened. They hit their high point two minutes in. As soon as I saw Walder Frey sitting there, I was like, oh shit. I knew it was her first of all,

and I was like, she's going to knew it was her first of all and i was like she's gonna rally the fray armies and fucking like attack somebody just for that like send them into a like a crazy war with the lannisters or something and then peace out be like oh we're in the north go fight the lannisters and like she's gonna peace out but no no as soon as she's like that's why i called every fray that matters or or it's worth a damn i was like oh shit break out the wine break out the wine i did not know um i've got two things to say one is i didn't know i get when they did it i thought we had gone back in time to when he was still alive like not a long time earlier but you know they were just doing a recap a thing we didn't know already that's that's what i thought was

going down um i forget i at one point she's like you know how does a cheap person like me hold two things in one fortnight and i'm like oh now i'm pretty sure this is current like i'm not positive it could have been before the previous one but you know i was pretty sure because i don't jump to conclusions even when maybe i should so uh anyway conclusions i like you're right i really like a lot of proof it frustrates my wife you I should. So anyway. You don't walk to conclusions. Yeah, I don't walk to conclusions. I really like a lot of proof. It frustrates my wife. Woody demands that conclusions be brought to him.

Bring me the transcript, woman. When she talks, I don't want to go too off topic here, but she's like, everyone else understands me. And I'm like, no, you need to disambiguate the direct object. Like, you just changed people. Anyway. So but then she started talking about their bravery and you know she's oh yes you bravely cut the mother of five's throat and stabbed that pregnant woman in the belly and they're all like maybe weird

yeah brave no very inspiring she my lord and that's when I knew it was her. And the opening was great. But here's the thing, and I read this on Reddit. It's not my idea. Would people have loved this episode if they opened with Daenerys landing at Dragonstorm, right? So, like, opening scene, Daenerys or whatever, Daenys, or fucking Dany, or Mother of Dragons, if the Mother of Dragons had landed on Dragonstone, Dragon Island, Dragonville, if the Mother of Dragons had gone to Dragonville and then walked in there, pulled down the sigil,

and they started the show that way, and they ended the show with Aryria like taking out all the phrase if people would have been i agree yeah i agree with you a hundred percent i agree with you a hundred percent that was my thought but because that was when that happened at the beginning of the show i was like oh my fucking god every storyline is gonna be like this like like sam tarley's gonna pull that hearts bane right away and cut his dad's head off and john snow's gonna already have assembled a big army and he's at the wall looking down and like cersei's already like made allies and their troops and she's like but look at my it's like that moment when uh saruman climbs the tower and he's like and he's like but my lord there is no such force and he like fucking throws the doors over here oh oh oh and you're like dear god he's

got tens of thousands like i thought each storyline was going to be over the top crazy good and it was just not each storyline was and i and as i saw the sam shit montage while i was okay with it and i felt like it was imparting to me quit it here's here's why i know you don't like doing that i know i know you don't like it but here's why it's good when you say you, is that me or Taylor? yeah, and I didn't like it either I didn't want to watch shit and like happen but it was important because

they needed to tell us just how long Sam's been there trying to do things the right way you know, just how long he's been there trying to like beg, borrow, steal, follow all of the rules, like not we need to know, like why didn't he go into the bookcase right away, we need to how long he's been there trying to like beg borrow steal follow all of the rules like not We need to know like why why didn't he go into the bookcase right away? We need to know that he's exhausted all of his options And then he's there with like the grand maester or whatever in its and you quickly realize that the grand maester is the worst

kind of Character to reason with because he believes Sam he believes the the white Walker and the Night King are coming He just thinks that the world is bigger than any one event. He's like, oh, people have said it was over before, but we always weather it. He doesn't understand the magnitude of the situation, and he's too smart for his own good.

Sam recognizes that, and he's like, alright, that's it. I've been here, like, three months. The kid seems like he's been here three years. He's got a fucking full head of hair now, and I've exhausted every object. I've been quick i've been cleaning shit day in day out every day's vomit and shit and and nobody's gonna hear me out not even the smartest guy here like and it's clear that like tomorrow he's not gonna be able to get that grand maester to get on his side the grand maester's got his mind a hundred percent made up on this there's no new evidence that's gonna sway

him so sam's like all right it's time to we've done up on this. There's no new evidence that's going to sway him. So Sam's like, all right, it's time to... We've done beg and borrow. Now it's steal time. It wouldn't have made any sense for Sam's character to go into Old Town and immediately start rifling through things that he wasn't allowed in. He's always been kind of a pussy who has to...

I believe it's called Libraryville. Libraryville. So in Booktown, you you know like they it really like it does make sense why they had to have that little montage because if you saw day one sam was like i can't handle this you know shit bucket and then he walks over there and grabs a book it's like that's not well what sam you've never done anything like that you only even even killed a White Walker because it ambled close to your blade and wasn't very coordinated. Like, you were not, you know, the, you know, daring

swordsmith in that opportunity, so they had to do that. I thought the montage was funny, but it also really grossed me out. The poop part, to the point where I'd, like, be watching the montage, like, oh, that's pretty funny. Ah, he's scrubbing the floor. He's gotta do, oh! Oh, he's back to scrubbing the floor. Okay, yeah what's gonna oh duties it was like his duties were not varied enough for me i would like some sweeping

like i really struggled with this it appeared that he was like making soup and cleaning bedpans and those instruments were very similar to me were they this it was meant to be yeah it was it was it was meant for you to like get into his mind into this thing where all he does is serve food and clean shit he's on both ends of the servitude and it's all began to blend together just as it begins to blend for us that he wasn't serving food in shit pans yeah yeah it's it you're meant to get that. He's not. But you're meant to... It's meant to blend together for us the way it's blending

for him. And you're supposed to feel like Sam's at the end of his rope here. He's been quiet and diligent and reading his books and trying to be so polite, clearly. Now, he does not lose weight at this point. What the fuck? He has spent years at a frozen wall north of the world

like can you imagine if his father saw him he did his father did last season remember he he goes would anyone like some more bread and sam's like yeah right over here he's like you're not fat enough yeah he's like no bread then i should have if, I should say when he saw his son Sam. Like that should have been a bigger topic of conversation. Like Sam, the fuck? Like you're the size of three men, and I know that you're not rolling around in ho-hos and cupcakes up there at the wall. So just by you being this level of fat, someone has paid with their life.

That's what he said. That's what he said. He was like, I expect it to make a man out of you. I trust you still can't sit, horse. I'll swing a sword. Someone else has been keeping you fat. You found someone else to keep you fat. Dad, you don't understand.

Craft Services is excellent on this set. They keep you plump. I got Cinnabon! Didn't you see it, my lord? The Grand Maester says it's a pituitary problem. But I feel like if they had brought in the Better Call Saul people, they could have come up with a nicer way

to explain the passage of time. I just didn't need to see all the soup and the poop. It was too much for me. It took away from the show. Back to the first critique you had of it, both of you, I guess. I hadn't really thought about the order of it as much, because I always give a lot more leeway to the first episode or two of a given season because i'm just so into it again that i'm like oh all right like all my friends are back like

all these cool characters i don't care if you're doing a little bit of a boring thing right now aria or whatever aria bad example for this episode but yeah you're right it really could have changed the whole episode if they'd taken the aria part juxtaposed it with the uh daenerys part because there was really no reason that one had to go before the other you could throw either one in any order it's just a little vignette so yeah and i would have really capped it off but already like on twitter you can tell what the biggest storyline in people's minds is, because that character always starts trending. Like, I don't know, as she was taking her face off and becoming Arya,

it started trending on Twitter, and it was like everybody was on Team Arya. But you're right, it put me up there, like I was ratcheting up the roller coaster, the click, click, click, click, click, click, click, and I got up there, and then Arya died, like right there, and then, or or are you not aria did some killing right there and then it just kind of yeah the rest of the approach to boring there are other high points to me i really like clig lane's uh cligane story right now it's it's it's the most fascinating he's the most uh uh fluid of all the characters as far as his makeup. He is changing right now in a way that characters rarely do.

Jamie went through a change, if you remember, when his hand cut off. He became sort of a much different kind of guy. And Clegane is doing the same thing right now. Clegane is becoming a good guy. He had his preacher friend last season tell him, it's not too late to change, Clegane. You've still got time. It's almost like, it reminds me of Logan. Remember when Patrick Stewart said, you still have time, Logan. It's not too late to change, Clegane. You've still got time. It reminds me of Logan. Remember when Patrick Stewart said, You still have time, Logan.

It's great. And then they go back to the house. It's not doing good in the world. Clegane always had some good in him, though. When he was bringing Arya around and keeping her alive, I get that he was just selling her and was going to give her back to the Starks for some prize. But it always seemed like there was a hint of protectionism in him.

Like there was some good in there. Well, he wouldn't admit it to himself before. Now he will. You're right. He's definitely going to do a character arc. Yeah, and I love that he's like, look into the flames, Clegane. And Clegane's just like,

it's like, shit, we need to get Clegane in here reading the fire every night, first of all, because he's got it down. He's 20-20 fire vision. But, like, maybe eight words into him reading the fire, I expect him to go, And I see a great, bold bastard. Yes, he's ugly. He's ugly and cold. He's sitting by a fire, and a big man slapped him in the face.

And it's like, just be fucking with him the whole time. It's like, just be fucking with him the whole time. He doesn't see shit. I was hoping that was going to be... Varys could read fire, too. Tidroy Chicken! Varys read fire last season. I just rewatched it. They didn't tell us what he saw, but he read the fire

and then he went and took action. Yeah, we still don't know. I want to know what's going on uh at this point with his sorcerer yeah you know so there was a time where i thought i was like there's a wizard in the box there's a wizard in the box maybe that's how he knows things begin and they like in deliberately i don't know if it was the show of the book but like deliberately there were things where he just couldn't know and i was like does or the book, but like deliberately there were things where he just couldn't know. And I was like, does he know everything through a network of spies or the Wizard in the Box?

Is he using some sort of magic? And everyone thought I was crazy. They forgot. It seemed like you guys forgot about the Wizard in the Box, but I really... I felt like the Wizard in the Box had a less... I'm with you. I thought about the Wizard in the Box for a while, but his ending was less ambiguous

to me than Gendry's was. Because I think Gendry's still out there, and he's going to come back, whereas I think the Wizard in the Box is long gone. Wait, didn't he keep him alive for decades? Or were we meant to think that he just got him? He just had gotten him. He just had acquired him.

And in my mind, it was like, he's going to do some torturing, but this guy ain't going to last more than a couple weeks here. He's going to have a rough time of it, but we're not going to keep him forever. Gendry, you're right. On the other hand, with Gendry, it's like, that guy just started rowing like half a decade ago at this point. In real time, five years he's been rowing.

And if he really does show back up in the show, it would be so stupid and disjointed. It would almost bother me. It would bother me. It would be like, wait, so you just kept this on the back burner for this whole time and gave no allusions to any advancement whatsoever? What the fuck?

What's been going on with this same person? Everybody else has grown huge. You're going to find out. Here's what I think is going to think is gonna happen with gingery there's gonna be an episode that opens up with gingery fucking rowan and there's gonna be a little rowan montage maybe he gets more and more pumped as you go so he's like he's got the 24 inch anacondas he's just fucking pumping that thing and i think he gets like a third of an episode devoted to him and showing where he's been what he's been up to and his whole journey and then maybe he leads back into this thing but he better and i mean he better be fucking huge arms because first of all he's robert baratheon's son right i want him to be he

should be like by genetically just a beast and and he's been rowing all that time he was already a blacksmith he already was a pump dude i'm hoping I don't know what the actor looks like, but I'm hoping that if I Google that actor's name, they'd be like, Wilson Davies continues his five-year bodybuilding trend. No sign of acting in his career. We don't know what's up. And you just look at him, he's

got almost fake biceps. I want him to come in and grab Robert's forehand. He's got a shirt that says, like, Never Leg Day. I want him to get Robert and grab Robert Warhammer. He's got a shirt that says, like, Never Leg Day. You know what I'm saying? I want him to get Robert Warhammer and smash. But I like Clegane's story. I think that's going places.

Particularly, I think it's... Specifically, I think it's going to the north. Clegane, I think, takes and his little band of men there, the guys without borders or the banners. Yeah, the men without banners, whatever the fuck they are. They're going to that castle up on the wall same place that the red bearded wildling guy Thorin or whatever is going and I think that's going to be a big

battle and I think a lot of our favorite characters are going to die I'm looking for Daenerys to get smacked around so what I thought was going to happen was this I thought Euron was going to meet her in the water, like at sea and sink a bunch of her fleet because right now she seems op she op she can easily take out the lannisters in terms of all that power and might and she can easily take out the north she just seems like the obvious winner but she'll get knocked down

actually i don't know if you haven't considered it, but she could she can absolutely not take the north with the army she has. Because of all these people used to hot weather. They don't know how to they don't have the equipment for it. As soon as like the Unsullied come across like and I think what Kyle is thinking as well is that if you have a really professional Lannister regiment or whatever, and it goes up against the Unsullied. Like, the Unsullied are used to killing people fleeing and running away. And, you know, every once in a while coming out big on top of another armored foe. But for the most part, they don't.

Like, they're mercenary warriors that you buy. They're the slaves, right? Yeah. Yeah. They're not trained to this. I'm not sure. I think the Unsullied are more hardcore than you give them credit for. Yeah, yeah.

They're like Spartans. Yeah, yeah. They're like Spartans. Can I jump in? I think, I think, I'm not sure, but I think Taylor's wrong, too. I think the Unsullied are meant to be really tough with the nipple slicing and all that stuff. But there's 8,000 of them. Whereas some of these other armies are like 65,000 deep. The Dothraki, there's like 60,000 of them.

Ah, I don't know where these end up. I got them from a YouTube video. I don't know. Lannisters have the biggest army by number, I think. Look at Jaime's. Daenerys does. Okay, so Jaime's the head of the Lannister army, right? And he marched it down to the twins to help the Freys take that castle back from the Blackfish.

He had either 6,000 or 8,000 men. I can't remember which. 8,000. I think that that's about it. I think the Lannisters have about 8,000, maybe 10,000, maybe just a couple more thousand back at Castley Rock, something like that. But you saw what they're pulling from right now,

that group of soldiers that Arya ran into, that group of pussies like Ed Sheeran apparently, who I didn't even know who that was, didn't recognize him, didn't bother me a bit. If it had been Justin Bieber sitting there, I'd have had a fit. But I don't know who Ed Sheeran, apparently, who I didn't even know who that was. Didn't recognize him, didn't bother me a bit. If it had been Justin Bieber sitting there, I'd have had a fit. But I don't know who Ed Sheeran is, so I was cool with it. But I think the army sizes are smaller than you think. Daenerys is going to get fucked up on her journey to the mainland because she's still on an island.

She's on Dragonstone. She's still got to get all that shit to the mainland where everybody is. So she's going to fight Eur on at sea and a big naval battle. And you're on, it's going to get a prize, right? To win the, to win Cersei over.

So that's either him kidnapping, uh, uh, Tyrion, or that's him going, getting that dragon horn that, that controls dragons. Yeah.

It's, it's something like that. Most likely. Um, he's going to get the dragon horn. That's going to make Cersei. Yeah. I was thinking immediately Tyrion

because he knows how much that kind of shit up heals he referred to it as a gift, Tyrion's been referred to as a gift before I am without any basis very confident that it's the dragon horn and that he's going to and the dragon horn's going to control one dragon

and that's going to mess things up. Maybe he gets Drogo. And the other two smaller dragons remain Daenerys. And that balance... Because we have to balance it. She needs to be nerfed. I watched this YouTube video by seeming experts.

And they were going over all the military sizes. And you're right. The Lannisters isn't that big. But they're partnered with someone. I forget who. But they still have an ally. Not anymore. The only ally they

have left is Euron, and he's kind of iffy right now. They got nobody left. I thought there was one more land-based one. Not a big one. Not one of the ones that's in the opening of the show with all the sigils. The Tyrells, clearly against them. You just killed her

grandchildren. They've partnered with Dorne. Dorne clearly against them with the whole Ilia and the Red Viper and all that. The Sand People. Is she with Daenerys? Yes. Varys went over there and met with her.

All of the biggest houses have joined with Daenerys in the south. The Tyrells and Dorne. And then, of course, in the north, you've got a real shitty situation, right? You've got Jon up. Jon is not going to want to be... If Jon and Daenerys communicate,

it's going to be like, I want to be queen of everything! He's like, You don't understand! You'll be queen of the ice! He's gone through it! I died last year. Like, trust me, it's bad. I feel like... Like, I don't feel like Daenerys is too OP

just because I feel like it's meant to show, like, see the might of the Tyrells and the Dornishmen and the Lannisters and the, you know, whoever else, the Baratheons, the Starks, all of that, and the Dothraki, nothing at all compared to the North zombie army and the White Walkers coming down. Like, every person they kill is, they're gaining two spots on you. Yeah, all right.

Because they gain a soldier and you lose one. So if you have a bad loss to them you didn't have a casualty of you didn't lose 5 000 men they gained 5 000 there was a 10 000 man swap right there and if you lost to him right there you think you're gonna have a good chance next time no like that's but like how i have them i have the breakdown desperately need those dragons all together to handle the white walkers let me jump in because i've got the numbers here the circe lannister army has the crown lands 10 to 15 000 soldiers the westerlands 30 000 the riverlands 15 000 the iron islands about 10 000 the iron islands this is now we're in a navy forces 500 to a thousand ships the westerlands Navy is 50 ships. The Royal Fleet is 100 ships.

Daenerys' army has 8,000 Unsullied, 30 to 50,000 Martells, 30 to 50,000 Tyrells, 50 to 60,000 Dothrakis, about 5,000 Greyjoys, 100 Greyjoy Navy ships, 200, I don't even know, the Redwyn ships, and then 200 Slaver ships, and then there's the dragons. I don't even know, the Redwyn ships, and then 200 slaver ships, and then

there's the dragons. I don't think that's right. Because where's he getting his numbers? Like, because we watched the shows, right? There was no part where they were like, and there's the, we've never, I haven't even heard of the Westerlyns, right? And the Riverlands are gone. The Freys are the Riverlands, and the Twins are, right? Like, that's what that is.

I guess you're right. This was from July 14th, so it would be right before the show, I guess. Ah, yeah. He don't have shit. He doesn't have any source material. He's going off books. But it's not like the entire house fray and all those people who supported it are gone. So somebody's going to fill that vacuum.

Maybe it'll be John. Maybe he hops in and they're like, yeah, you're northern enough. You want to be part of a group finally? John is the forgiving sort we figured that out uh the world couldn't be better than if john wins and gets tyrian as his right hand man that's and then aria around to like futz with people like that i want her involved too but that seems like the most moral possible outcome for everybody in westeros you know like and Tyrion, two people who never belonged, and now

they're setting policy, and they'll understand how people have it and how shit it is, and they're like medieval feudal system. That's too easy, though. Jon will probably fucking die or something, and the Hound will be the hero of all this. He's the one closest to the... The Lord of Light

has already touched him once clearly he's he's half his fucking face is gone he might be azora a high or whatever you pronounce that silliness that that that man made up that big fat fellow um he could be the hero of all this he could get there and like the ice king can't even cut him or something like like we'll see what happens when clagane gets to the wall and deals with with whites and walkers. What I really liked was when we saw the Army of the Dead and there were giants in it. I was like, yes. So many silly people on Reddit are going to be like,

I was about to say, so many silly people on Reddit are going to be like, is that 1-1? No, of course not. Because that guy's missing the wrong eye and they're north of the wall so somehow 1-1 would have to, they'd have been foolish enough not to burn 1-1 first of all or bury him. And then he would have to they'd have been foolish enough not to burn one one one one first of all or bury him and then he would have to reanimate and walk like two or three hundred miles up north over the wall once join the army like i'm here guys it's easy over there wait i

was just there and then they'd have to all turn around it that's just silly and there's three giants of course you know it's it's like all of the giants that every that we can see that we can see all of the giants that have ever existed can see that we can see all of the giants that have ever existed are in that army there are zombie bears in that army in the books there are ice spiders in that army in the books like there's scary shit imagine if they utilize those giants in any way at all that is not stone cold retarded the way john did with one one in the battle against uh ramsey where like I that's such a great battle I watched it with some friends catching up

the other weekend and it was like just watching it is upsetting where it's like nobody could have got that guy a stick a large chain a net a give him tape four spheres together yeah give a net toss that over a chain

net and you toss it over a bunch of guys, and then one one just fucking walks in a different direction. Hey, we've made a hole in their lines. Wow, did you do it with tactics? No, we used the 30-foot soldier we have available. It's like, oh, man, hindsight 2020, we should have got him a weapon before. If I'm Jon Snow, all of my resources,

all of my smiths are like, they're not, make me a helmet big enough for that guy. And a whole suit of armor for him. Everyone, pile your armor in a pile. Take it off. Take it off. He needs it. Like, melt it all. Really, you think that's wise? Is he that OP?

Yes! If you arm him up, like, already he's almost invulnerable to arrows like like it took that crazy double recurve bow right in the eyeball to really fell in part of me wonders if the giant is only worth like eight people the giant uh probably hundreds hundreds of people hundreds of people you think yeah i, you think? Yeah. I mean, imagine this. If they were too stupid and lazy to get him a chain, net, or just a regular chain, imagine he has a, I don't know,

100-foot chain in his hands and Ramsey's guys are running in. He just goes, dead. He can't handle a 100-foot chain, right? How tall is he? 30 feet? Probably 30 feet or so. I think that if I were to arm 100-foot chain, right? How tall is he, 30 feet? Probably 30 feet or so. I think that if I were to arm you with a chain,

somewhere around 6 feet would be a good length. If I were to give you, I'll exaggerate, a 15-foot chain, you'd be like, Woody, this chain is too long. I can't bring it properly. He's emotionally strong to us. Do you remember the scene where if you had a normal-sized fence post, could you hammer it into the ground with your arm? Like, no, no human could do that. He took, like, a tree and, like, just not even like he was, like, everybody watch me.

It was like a, all right, goddamn chores, you know, and, like, doing like that. Like, I have so much confidence if they just use a little bit of tactics with those giants, they will get you done. Imagine if they just gave him a big pile of rocks next to him. Just, hey, what do I do? Well, one, one, you're going to pick up all these rocks and you're just going to heave them at the enemy. They're going to be horrified because look at how many 35 feet tall people they have on there. Exactly right, one, one.

They don't have a single person your size. The biggest guy is 6'6". I wanted this. Last PKA, we watched a guy kill a bear with a big spear, right? Would it not just take half a dozen people

like that to take out the giant? That bear weighed 300 pounds. One one would weigh like 3,000 pounds or something like that. He's just gargantuan. I mean, they did kill him. Yeah, the spears would work. And that's why the armor is so necessary.

Like, I would be like, if I were Jon Snow, I'd be looking at my front line. I'd be like, hey, nine of you, that looks like about enough armor to get our good buddy here covered. Who do you think is going to make better use of it?

Well, my professional tactician opinion is that you guys, you may still kill one apiece, but him without anything is going to kill 60 guys. Him with armor is going to kill 300 guys, and he'll still come back to our camp afterward and be okay. He'll just be a reusable

keep killing until you're tired. You are selling me on the armor thing. I might even be like, look, you six guys, is that what we said? Six guys? Yeah, however. Congratulations. You're getting tomorrow off, right? We've decided, like, look, I'm not a murderous leader.

Like, whatever. You're gonna spend the whole day putting feathers on errors. Yeah. Like, whatever it is that will help you in some way that you don't need armor. Except for you, Tommy Two Fingers. You're on the front line no matter what. Yeah, I think that would have been a wise decision.

But yeah. I didn't watch it. There's a video called, What Do the White Walkers Want? Do they want something? I feel like they're just an evil like recurrent in the world where it's just like they don't want anything

except to make the world their own. Like they just want to conquer everything and make winter a part of all reality. I don't think their motivations have been clearly laid out. The whites the zombie army, they have no motivation whatsoever. But the white walkers, you know those guys with the wrinkled faces and blue eyes and cool weapons those are the guys in charge those guys used to

be humans and the children of uh the forest shoved that dragon glass in their heart and now they're that and so that's it's children of the forest magic that's that motivates them and i don't know how that works but it seems like she shoves that dragon glass and then whispers in his ear kill all the men and like that's now his mission or something like that since the beginning of time, since the first man has been to just kill all men. And I don't know. It seems like he wants the big winner to come.

They've kind of posed him almost as the antithesis of the Lord of Light, but I don't know if he's that powerful at all. Although, man, when he raised his arms and he resurrects those people that's about as powerful that's the most powerful magic we've seen i mean we saw the red priestesses bring one guy back you know thorin brought the guy back and then the red woman she brought melisandre brought that guy back uh john snow back but he went like the whole field of battle stood

up so it's crazy and it seems i mean with the exception of the whole field of battle stood up. It's crazy. And it seems, I mean, with the exception of the whole dragonglass killing the head guys, killing a zombie army is impossible, right? Because even if you outscore them like six to one in terms of a kill-death ratio, all right, now we all go back up and we're 15% larger or whatever that is.

This is one of those television and movie conveniently disposed of armies where if you cut the head off, all the little pieces drop dead. Yeah, I considered that too. That might be the case. But anyway, we're going to get a scene where dragons fly like strafe a whole

legion of whites and just roast them like triple like all three of them swarming around and burning them up. That's going to be a big moment i love the episode i absolutely loved it and then i go on the internet and they taught me to not like it i feel like sometimes that happens with my videos or pka like people watch me like yeah you know i really enjoy this kind of funny like i like it's time well spent and then they go on the internet and they're like you know what that did suck and that happened to me on game of thrones a little bit like i i watched it i was like yeah yeah it's back it's

going you know we got set up for all these like a lot of my favorite characters got touched um the the aria scene of course was amazing like i'm like yes you know it's not a whole season but you know i'm psyched and then they're like ah the pacing not enough happened don't remember don't forget there's only are there eight episodes you know this is only seven left and i'm like oh yeah i guess when you consider that you know there's not as many episodes maybe i do want more i don't know the only part of this the episode i thought was boring was all was most of the daenerys storyline for this episode it just wasn't very good and the reason I don't think

she's totally broken aside from what I said about the White Walkers being so just just so infinitely powerful than all the other groups like just with their ability to create warriors like she Daenerys is just she's

a bad leader. She doesn't make good decisions. She defers in any sort of difficult situation and then often ignores the advice of the smarter person that she deferred to where she'd be like, oh, Ser Barristan, what do you think I should do here? He'd be like, well, I've served in the Kingsguard for 65 years and I've seen many kings make many mistakes here. What I would recommend is to forego diplomacy flee and regroup she's like i am a targaryen we do not flee and it's like then i don't know what you're asking me to tell you like that's that's really the thing with daenerys is that she nothing that she has achieved has been achieved because of her. She has parlayed the initial call relationship into something else, into something

else, into people being like, hey, you know, these people in Westeros suck cock so hard, I'm going to work for that lady. And then those people show up, and she's got just a set, you know, think tank basically. She's just a bad leader. I need my ships, I'm just going to bitch and moan about ships

for the first four years of this entire show it's like you could you could have done an infinite number of things to get ships the dragon could have started that on episode two does your family have no money left like a core part of why she has power and that was just gifted to her and the the heat vulnerable in heat resistance i'll call it i don't know he invulnerability that's what's going for um that's just a born with thing like she's like to back up your point she's not doing things to be great she has done as many things as jesus christ did to be great and many more if you think about it she's done enough things to be a god and to be worshiped she's she's she's beaten death multiple times.

Those dragons didn't just happen. It's not like somebody gave her dragons. Like, here you are! This is the little one. They gave her fossilized eggs. And she magically fucking made them into dragons. But she had nothing to do with that. I just don't give her credit for that. She sacrificed herself to make it happen. If some dude didn't show up at her wedding with a wonderful gift, she have that would have been the end of the daenerys storyline that would have been the end because she doesn't have an intrinsic you know other than her last name and the fact

that somebody gave her dragons like i just always watch her scenes and it's like what the fuck is she doing that's making situations better like no she didn't do anything that jesus did like she she went to slave cities and did like a feel-good uh parade you know tour like a band where she's like all right everybody's free bring me like i don't know three of the masters how many are there thousands my queen just bring like three of them fuck it like all right hey you're all dead all right everybody everybody happy everybody say call me mom call me mother everybody in in unison, call me mother. I'm going to walk among you. All right.

All right. I will see you later. I'm heading out. I'm going to get five miles away, and then a fucking raven's going to arrive and go, the masters are retaking the city, and we're all being slaughtered. And then she'll go, oh, my God. But who could have seen this coming? And Jorah will go, well, I did tell you just a few moments before we departed,

or something like that. Like, she's, she falls ass-backwards into every possible mistake. So really, she hasn't liberated any cities. She's shown up, quote, liberated them, and then now all the slaves are getting recaptured and, like, murdered and shit. I don't think so. That's true anymore. No, she left the second

sons behind. They're keeping that shit straight. No, she conquered those people. Remember when her dragons came down and she fucking killed the two main masters and left one alive like like slavery's dead yeah yeah yeah slavery's dead yeah i don't think she wasn't gonna leave before slavery was dead she destroyed all the masters there there are she's like and tyrian's like when you go back and someone starts bringing up uh the good old days of slavery and how it used to be, remind them what happened when Daenerys Stormborn came. Remind them of what happened here today. And he's like, I will.

Just fucking let me leave. Just let me leave now. My whole point is that it's a short-term thing because her entire goal has been, I'm going to conquer Westeros. That's my birthright. And so what she, you know, sacked these cities. Now there's starving slaves about in this, quote, new awesome world. Which, granted, their previous life was shit too. But now she's moving all of her possible forces over to Westeros.

And you think that immediately people aren't going to retake shit? She left people behind. She left her fuck toy, the second son's, behind to maintain order. The second son sells out to whoever. That's why she was hesitant to work with the second son's in the first place. They sell out to anyone willing. Not this guy.

They're on the payroll now. He's a jilted lover. Well, that's true. Specifically, he was getting money to kill Daenerarius and he said he didn't want the money and he killed his two partners instead and he's loyal to denarius and he's been loyal to her for a long time yeah he loves her it's clear that he loves her apparently she's an excellent fuck i watched season six again and he's like are you sure

you can handle this she rides dragons i'm a young man and i could barely handle her apparently she's a hell of a lay and uh she's so tiny too yeah yeah um but anyway yeah so she left the second sons behind to maintain order and of course the legend of her that she could just come back and dragon fuck people anytime she wants so that's i think we're meant to believe that that situation is settled. And by the way, they're not poor and broken hungry because commerce was thriving and doing really well until the masters attacked again. But they sent them back, and now they should be healthy commerce again. Getting rid of slavery helps economies, and they figured that out. I didn't know that. Is that true?

Yeah, it's absolutely true because you you allow people to pursue what they're best at instead of forcing people into basically being farm equipment or building equipment or that you know what boat construction equipment that is you still have to pay for you still have to feed and clothe like all those people it's just inefficient and i suppose everyone gets to rise to the level of their capability if in theory in like a non-slavery economy, whereas if you have a slavery economy, you rise to the level you were born into. That never made sense to me. You would think that the people in chart who had slaves... First of all, we have slaves now, right? The whole penal system is a big slave colony. Those guys get 35 cents an hour

to make body armor and all that shit. Those are slaves. 100 years from now, they'll look at what we're doing right now with a million mostly black men locked in penitentiaries behind bars who make all of our shit for us. Isn't that technically indentured servitude?

Because you broke the law and now you're serving out time, right? Indentured servitude was a kind of debt. They made... So what happened whenever slavery was abolished, there's an except in the case of punishment at the end of that sentence. Like, slavery... It's slavery.

Like, I promise... It's just slavery. But that's because you're controlling their whole life. Like, that's why you're keeping them as basically a slave who can't leave because they did something like murder someone or rape someone or whatever. Or whatever you decide that they did that now they have to go work. Yeah.

To pay for it. I don't know how prison work goes. I always thought that it was like they assign you something or you could pick certain jobs to, like, make extra. There are whole companies that, like, all of their shit is made in prisons. something or you could pick certain jobs to like make extra if you think like there are there are whole companies that like all of their shit is made in prisons there's a there are body armor companies that they do and i mentioned them specifically over and over because that's the one that keeps popping in my head but there's a bunch of them it's like yeah their stuff is made uh victoria's secret got in trouble because it turned out that like their lot some of their

lingerie was being made by prisoners i heard rogan talking about this and rogan was like you know those guys are like rubbing their balls on those panties. Yeah, if I were a woman and I frequented Victoria's Secret and I found out that they had some fucking pedophile sewing the little flower on my ass cheek,

I would not want that. That would be uncomfortable. I wouldn't want my underwear. If I found out that MeUndies, and it's made of 100% Modal, the finest that your prison system can bring you, and it's like, oh, what? Prisoners.

I hear you, but I suspect that within a few days, they would get bored of what they're making. The novelty of the fact that it's underwear would just be gone. But there would be an underground market, right? There'd be other guys like, yo, man, can you give me some panties? I'm gonna make Leon wear them.

You'd be like, we don't make panties big enough to fit Leon. You're gonna make the panties I need. Leon's the size of a Volkswagen bug. panties on me. Meanwhile, Leon's the size of a Volkswagen bug. I will say this about that episode. They did a good job, I thought, of touching on every character I cared

about that I could think of at that moment. And they showed us where they were. And that's pretty demanding in a show with this many characters. They hit on all the main characters that I care about and show me where they are. And I was like, okay, at least we got the board set. At least I know where everything is.

Because the pieces have moved significantly since last season. And the timeline, even within this current episode, is a bit confusing. So Arya kills the Freys at the beginning. Then you go to Cersei and Jaime standing on the map having a conversation. But they know about what Arya did. I don't know how long it takes news to travel by raven from the Riverlands down to King's Landing,

but I'm guessing two weeks, three, maybe a month. It's something like that, and each storyline is like that. Then, of course, Jon Snow has a letter from Cersei. How long did it take a letter to go from King's Landing all the way to Winterfell? Lots of time is passing, not only since last season, but within this episode. And that can be a bit confusing. I wish they would handle that a bit better.

Yeah, they rarely cover time very well in the show. It's true. Yeah. We're left to assume often. It usually isn't as jarring to me as it was this episode. I liked it, though. I'm psyched that Game of Thrones is a thing again. The last scene with Arya was interesting, I thought.

And it's one of two things. What was the last scene with her? When she comes upon Ed Sheeran and the Lannister troop, and she's considering killing them until she gets to know them a little better, and then she decides she's not going to kill them um but but when she i'm mixed on that scene a lot because it's meant to do one of two things either a lull us into a sense of liking these guys so that they can try to rape her next to in an episode or two or they just really wanted to show us that hey first of all not everybody in this world is evil here are a few good men who just happen to be

lannisters these are family. They miss their children at home. They miss their wives back home. They have aspirations of growing to be old men. She asked the guy, do you want a boy or a girl? He said, oh, a girl. The boys go fight in someone else's war. A girl will stay home and take care of her pops when he gets old and stuff. These seem like good guys. But the whole time, it's Game of Thrones. So I'm like, they're about to hit her in the head and rape her. They're about to hit her in the head and rape her. There's going to be a butt fucking. It's coming.

Oh, that would be a huge mistake on their part. That guy with the lazy eye who was super friendly. Boom! Did you guys like that guy? The lazy eye Lannister soldier who was just like so unbelievable. Do you know why the lazy eyed soldier's there? To take away from the fact that Ed Sheeran is cross-eyed a little bit.

They put an even more cross-eyed fellow next to Ed Sheeran so he doesn't look bad. I didn't know who Ed Sheeran was until somebody told me and I didn't care either way. To me it just seemed like a normal guy singing in the show. I don't give a fuck. We were playing Battlegrounds last night and I told them that I didn't know who Ed Sheeran was. I was like, I don't even know who Ed Sheeran is. And these guys were like, I don't give a fuck. We were playing Battlegrounds last night and I told them

that I didn't know who Ed Sheeran was. I was like, I don't even know who Ed Sheeran is. And these guys were like, you don't know who Ed Sheeran is, mate. He's like the most famous man in the world. He's got like 20 number ones. His album's huge. Everybody knows Ed Sheeran. Apparently I'd know him if I was like 20 years old.

I was reading, I was listening to an audio audiobook about this guy who's like an expert in marketing and advertising and stuff and they're like you know do you know who larry walrus is or whatever the fuck his name is and it's like no if you were 16 you would he is the biggest thing on snapchat right now and i was like oh well i'm old and and yeah I you know I I'm sure a 16 year old Woody would would know Ed Sheeran I guess but I don't he sings very well I noticed that right away like I was singing the hands of gold song I think you're on something Kyle with not with the they're gonna try and rape her in two episodes or something but that it was a humanizing little tale because with what ari is

doing she just did something cold-blooded she is a bad bitch now she just murdered mass murder she's a mass murderer at this point like a couple of those friends probably weren't even there at the shit and they're getting killed anyway who knows but they weren't they definitely weren't yeah they definitely weren't all there like she was trying to get like you know paint with a broad brush because she would have no ability to know exactly what phrase yeah that's how would she know she all she did was she was like she summoned every fray that that matters is what she says like like all of the the most important phrase and they're all in that room but back to her being like a mass murderer like she's getting on the path of like almost sociopathy of like killing people and as long as it's toward her goal of like vengeance then she's

fine she needs uh like a an act like this in her story to show like oh she's not losing it like she really is she's still there it's still aria she's not evil she just is is she's not gonna needlessly harm people she doesn't have to because that's not the who she is as a character at least that's what i hope because if she hurts that lazy eyed guy who answered every question and like it's almost like like the people writing the lines obviously like what's the nicest way someone could put this like she'd be like so you live around here he's like oh back in uh castley rock one of the worst places in the world i'll tell you and they're and she's like oh they don't even like their own like capital city they think it's dangerous and shitty like do you you don't want you want kids oh i

can't wait to hug my little girl you know i'll take care of her as long as I can. I just want her to be safe or whatever that shit. I think it's going to be a test for her. It would piss me off if Arya harmed the nice people she met. That's going to be the test. That's my best guess. She's going to travel down to King's Landing with this group of soldiers. Along the way, some stuff is going to happen.

She's going to have to make a choice. At some point point she might either defend them or kill them and that's going to be the thing that happens. Did you guys watch the preview for next episode? I didn't but someone spoiled a bit of it to me so I wanted to

discuss that. I'm not sure. Okay, then neither of you will know the thing that's going to happen next episode. But a character, kind of a character. Nymeria will show back up. Who's that? I think that's Arya's wolf. I'm pretty sure.

Really? Yeah, it's been loose in the Riverlands leading a pack of wolves for a long time. They've been too cheap with the wolves in the TV show. They've been too cheap with the wolves. The wolves show. They've been too cheap with the wolves. The wolves played a much bigger role in the books. They were the partner sidekicks. They did a lot with them in the TV show. They got some wolves.

And as soon as they got bigger than normal wolves and needed some CGI, suddenly they're not there anymore. And then it doesn't look cool. And it's just like, it's distracting when they run into battle because you see a bunch of like people on the other side, the, the,

the extras or stuntmen or whoever fights, like you can always, no matter how good an actor is, you can always tell when they're like pretending to see a bear or something. They're like, Oh, Oh. And it's like,

like you just know they're standing there looking at a wall. Oh, this is the biggest bear we've ever come across. And it's like, you, your eyes are darting all over the place. Where are you looking at on this bear? Like, how big is it? Like, I don't... You can always

notice that shit. And it was awful with the wolves. I didn't mind the wolves, but it didn't make any sense for John's wolf ghost not to be at the Battle of the Bastards at all. If there was ever an all-or-nothing moment, that was it, and it made zero sense not to have the wolf there.

That's when I don't like the wolves not appearing. When clearly it should be there, it's like you're ace in the hole, when the chips are really down. Think about it, if it were us and we always had this feud with our neighbor, and it could come to swords and shields at any moment, you'd probably consider your dog as

kind of a chip that you had in your favor. If he gets inside, if the Tully's next door ever get inside, make sure you let the dogs loose. That's our ace in the hole. You know, right? So Jon Snow not being like, ghost.

I haven't fed them in 11 days. The dogs are dead, my lord. Shit. That reminds me of like a riddle I got told when i was like in second grade and at the time like i was like oh no i've been bamboozled someone was like would you rather you know open a door with uh you know a tiger behind it that hasn't eaten in a month or open a door behind you know uh you know another second grader who wants to murder you and it was like the second grader obviously i could probably take another second grader and it's like but the tiger that hasn't eaten in a month is dead and as like a kid you're like oh i hadn't even like that that gif where like that lady's looking at all the math

equations going around figuring it out and i'm like ah yes oh and you kind of log that away you log that away like critical thinking that's how people grow up there you go taylor on raising kids yes anyway i thought it was a good episode overall but i might go back and watch it later and realize that it was kind of the uh thrones colored glasses that i was looking through because that definitely is true. I did the same thing with Breaking Bad. What? I haven't rewatched it, but I really did enjoy it. I was surprised to see

the people on the internet not enjoy it as much as I did. I guess I liked Jon Snow's scenes. They weren't great. They weren't great at all. I liked when Sansa kind of undermined him. They're going back and forth, and I'm like, I don't really know where I sit on this issue.

Do you punish the kids for the hit? Do you want these guys on your side? It was really easy to tell for me when he's like, kids, come up here. At that point, yeah. When he said, my decision is final. Johnny Sansa knows that. They know that those kids are sitting in their fucking room with him.

And Johnson's like, give the castles to the men who fought and died for you. And John's like, what about those two kids there? That little girl and that boy comes forward. And he's got, you know, and it's the umber sword, you know, with the rings on the end. And he's like, well, you, you know, swear to me for this time and all. And those kids are like, absolutely. It's like signing a EULA. Like, I have no other choice.

No, I disagree so much. Like, those kids are so happy with that. Like, when I saw that moment, I was like, he made such a great decision. That girl and that guy are going to sing this man's praises for the rest of their lives. Their grandchildren are going to hear about the merciful Jon Snow and how when our house was led to the darkness and the world almost ended because of it, this guy came in, forgave us, raised us back up, and led us to this new place where we are now like it was a tactical move where he had one option where he could further alienate two houses that he needed in and give those castles to someone who's already on his side who he already has his pocket or he could you know make a show of bequeathing it back to those families, which is exactly what Kyle said would happen. They'd all be like,

Oh, we're, are we, are we, my Lord, are we going to meet up with, uh, Jon Snow's battle?

Yeah. Yeah. Our entire, everybody we got is going because we got to make sure that, because like all that, Jon, like I didn't like what Sansa did at all in that scene, because if you have,

it's like the first fucking rule of business, anything that you never go into a meeting on different teams. You never go in and go like, all right, we're going to do this and that. And then someone goes, well, we don't want to do that per se. We want to take this route, right? And then suddenly you're putting a front that is not trustworthy, it's not steadfast, and they're not organized. And that's something that people disrespect. And they're going to be thinking, well, who who's in charge here who's the one running shit like sansa should have known better and kept her mouth shut because that just reflected badly

on everyone and it makes her right they should have gone in on the same page but i feel like you're probably right on the john snow decision making i think the way it's going to lay out is they're going to make john a good ruler etc having said that like pretend take away like the way the authors are laying out the story the decision that he had to make you could there's a world where another house betrays him out of cowardness or whatever that cowardice and uh and then he gets to think well you know what it's okay to fuck over john Snow because nothing really – it might not work out for me, but my kids keep this castle. He killed them all.

They would have, but all their families are dead. And so basically his option was – On the field of battle though, right? Yes. It's like if this works out, this goes – well, he was going to be on the field of battle one way or the other. So he could just join the favorites, even if that's not the person you pledged loyalty to,

which is what he did, knowing that the only penalty is him dying. There's an even greater certainty that he'll die if he joins the underdogs, right? So he's not really laying any precedent stopping families from betraying him in the future. I think he's inspiring them to love him, not fear him.

And one will work and one won't. Cersei is all about making everybody fear her. And like Jaime said, you're the queen of three kingdoms at best. At this point, you just keep... Cersei's the one who's always like, oh, they wronged us? Well, kill the children. Oh, take this from them, take that from them. And she just inspires hatred to her.

Everybody hates her. Jon is the guy who inspires love. These people love John. That scene in this episode reminded me a lot of last season when Lady Mormont stands up, and she calls the Glovers out, and the Glover guy finally stands up after she's said her thing, and he's like, you're right. We broke faith. When a man's wrong, all he can do is admit he was wrong and ask forgiveness. And John goes, there's nothing to forgive, my lord. And you can see those words struck him like the hardest slap in the face. He was just like, we will stand with the Starks until the breaking of the world.

Two weeks ago, he didn't stand with them. Two weeks ago, he tried to murder his father. Two weeks ago, he tried to murder his father. Two weeks ago, that guy wasn't in charge. Two weeks ago, that guy was not the guy making decisions. So like, in this episode, it was, and he wasn't trying to kill him. They were just the ones who, that was the one, the Glovers are the guys who,

Sansa and Jon show up at the castle, and they're like, will you fight with us? And he's like, who's in your army? He's like, wildlings. He's like, ah, I can't believe it. You brought wildlings down here i had heard about that look ramsey just helped us take this castle back and now you want us to join with you to go fight ramsey with wildlings i respected your father but i just can't do that but you know

that's the glover guy so okay i think that john's inspiring love with the north i think everybody there is uh you know the whole the Stark name means something. I think he's really solidified them in the best way possible. You might be right, but I'm really just playing devil's advocate because Jon definitely got fucked over by everybody what I'm calling two weeks ago. And the notion that

he's infallible, if he was infallible, he would have built a better army and he wouldn't have been so close to losing to Ramsay. If he was infallible, a couple of a better army and he wouldn't have been so you know close to losing to ramsey if he was infallible a couple of those houses wouldn't they don't want infallible they don't want they want respectable and honorable and here's the thing that nobody nobody's seeing is like he's still he's not i mean he's king in the north but there's still houses and people that aren't like rallying behind him. If when those houses show up, he goes all your shit gone and you're banished,

executed, whatever. We don't need you to go forward. He's just made two enemies and he's sending a message out to everyone else who hasn't rallied behind him yet of, Hey, it is too late to get on my team. So you better buckle down and defend.

Whereas if he does what he did, he makes it clear that, hey, these people who, you know, they're not the same people who made the decision, so I'm letting them back in the fold, and he's making it very obvious to everyone, like, now is the time because I'm accepting all comments.

The older guy, he did make that decision to fuck over John, and John forgave him there's nothing to forgive and he did at that point there are other houses out there then you bring up a good point all i'm saying is that the other thing that he's telling people and like look i acknowledge what you guys are saying but i'm not getting the same in return everyone's like no absolutely fuck over john nothing happens you get to keep your house you get to keep your kids you get to keep everything there's no punishment

for fucking Jon Snow we've seen the punishment for fucking he kills them everyone who has fucked Jon died everyone

he hangs them he kills them he killed he killed little Jon Umber on the field of battle the red headed wildling

stabbed him in the eyeball with an antler and bit his throat out there was nothing to forgive that guy fucked Jon that guy said that guy did not fuck Jon he wasn't at the battle at all the red-headed Wildling. He stabbed him in the eyeball with an antler and bit his throat out. That guy fucked Jon. That guy did not fuck Jon. He wasn't at the battle at all. He didn't go to the battle. He pledged loyalty to him and then honors that pledge when it's convenient to him.

Negative. That's my whole thing with it. Yeah, to the Starks. It made a lot of sense in that moment. He's like, you brought wildlings down. You're not a Stark. She's a Bolton, I'm pretty sure. And Ramsay just helped us put this castle back up.

The most important thing to look at, of course, is the final thing Jon said. We don't have time to be figuring out who needs to get slapped on the wrist and who needs their hands taken off. The army of the dead's coming, and they're going to take all of us no matter what so men women the children arm the goats arm the pigs like like we don't have time to like squabble and give these guys houses to those guys who already have houses put a period in this sentence you think senza had no point at all and then her decision not at all not at all yeah not at all like it was just bad tactically it would be like if you went into your plan woody and you were the general you were the john snow and you had you know jackie or hope or someone next to you and as you were laying

out your plan that you had thought out and you knew because you'd been around these people you knew them better and you were saying you're gonna do this you're gonna do that uh you two you get your houses back because in your head you're like because we need those fucking 9 000 men and if we don't get those 9 000 men white walkers are gonna kill us so you know we have the mutually assured destruction between all of our houses right now so that's enough to bind us together and then jackie goes well that's just that's not a good idea what kind of leader are you that's what i'm talking about who are you to do that's. You wouldn't like that. We all are on the same page with the she shouldn't have publicly defied him. I'm just saying the thought process that she had,

maybe if they had hashed it out behind closed doors ahead of time, wasn't insane to me. The idea that you could just. See, that's what I definitely think. I think her plan is insane because there's no way that it could have helped the cause. All it could have done is send that little boy and that little girl or young man and young woman whatever that do have authority in their large houses their major houses and make it so that they're no longer players so they're gonna die

in their own castles from the white walkers in their own time and then they're the most castles they'll fucking take all the them as soldiers and suddenly oh shit we should have welcomed them back into the fold because now they're all members of the zombie legion. The Umbers are the northern most house, I think. So they're the ones who are going to have to deal with them first. And like, if you give their castle to like, I don't know who

one of the other houses that already has a castle, then they're just going to man it with half as many soldiers. You're just making them rich, not making them more powerful. You know, it's and, not making them more powerful. And the White Walkers are coming. I felt like Sansa was being super petty. She just wanted to hurt someone because she had been hurt by these people.

Jon is the opposite of that. Sure, he killed those guys who stabbed him in the heart, but he's all about forgiveness and bringing everybody onto our team and just trying to get everybody to understand it. It's not always just brute force violence. I like this line about, my father always said, the man who gives the sentence should execute it and I've tried to live by that.

I've killed men who... He had a great speech that laid all that out. He's like, I've killed men who didn't obey my orders, but in this case, I like what he did a great speech that laid all that out he's like i've killed men who who didn't obey my orders but in this case just i like what he did a lot and and i feel like those he he solidified those two houses as like his fucking bottom bitches right like they're so tight with him if someone did that to me i'm putting myself in that child's shoes like first of all he probably didn't like little john umber that guy seemed like a real cunt the guy with the beard his his dad was probably he was probably being a character with the beard i remember yeah so he's probably thinking so so those kids are so happy about yeah yeah okay about this long the the the great john umber's son, Little John, who was just an enormous fucking person

with the rings at the ends of his sword. Who got his eye stuck, stabbed out by a knife. Yeah, I know. I keep repeating the same thing. I just feel like the decision wasn't obvious to me. I know maybe in these two cases

the kids are going to be very loyal, but there's plenty of other bannermen who are going to be like, oh, I guess okay to fuck John. All he's going to do is forgive me. That's how John rolls. So, we'll see if it happens or not yep we'll see well he'll kill you he'll forgive your children though i guess that's the only that's the only peace of mind you have you're like well

he won't kill my children i guess yeah well yeah let's fuck him see you know yeah the kids will let's get it roll the dice you know no see what you guys are forgetting is he went with the favorite instead of the underdog right the next time john is an underdog these guys are going to be like oh well fuck i guess i'll take the greater chance of survival don't think they'll join the army of the dead though that's that's all john has to worry about like john's not worried about him joining with the zombies so yeah for right now that really is the only worry it's like there is one united force up here in the north we all have to be it and we're not even fighting another army that's going to give you jewels and gold and silver or weapons or women you're

fighting an army that will seize your body and make you a zombie like it's taking the long game not this particular army you know but maybe and also this isn't a like it's like in the long game not this particular you know but maybe and also this isn't a case where you look at the long game i can get not thinking about the long game in this situation because like the long game is really the question of are we still going to be around i know in four years particular corner cases is yeah this particular corner case uh you're dealing with such a threat, you maybe don't look to the next one. And I'm with John on this whole thing. How are the Lannisters going to get up there

and fuck with them, right? It's a southern army, and it's a long way. They've got to go through the Twins. Now, I think we're supposed to think Sansa's right in this case. I'm sorry, I cut you off. But Sansa, in her wisdom, we're supposed to think that she picks something up when they're down there.

Cersei will find a way. Nah, I think we're supposed to... What we're supposed to take from their disagreement is that Littlefinger is liking this discontent between the two of them and is planning to drive a wedge there. But we're also supposed to realize that Sansa's one step,

exactly one, ahead of Littlefinger. She knows exactly what he wants. He wants that pussy. And she knows it. And power. And she knows how to manipulate him. And I think Littlefinger is now going to be manipulated by Sansa. You're finally going to get what you want.

Sansa is going to be the manipulator. She's going to pull Littlefinger's strings a bit. And he's going to do something. I did figure out we were supposed to see that little finger was trying to drive a wedge by the 94 cuts to him during the disagreement it's like i get it you're banging me over the head little fingers fucking like twisted his mustache over there like yeah i get it i get it little finger loves it i get it i get it yeah yeah at one point you can hear him in the background. I know. He dons a monocle and a top hat.

Tie this wench to a double mustache twirl for that one. Yeah, that was a little ham-handed. That was a lot of Game of Thrones stuff. Hey, can we do a fitness roundtable? 168.8. Really? You're still losing weight.

Okay. And Taylor, are you working out again? I started working out again yesterday because my thumb is good enough now that I can start lifting. And so I'm back on it. Awesome. Back on it awesome back on it i'm trying to like ratchet up the the dieting a bit but that's just so hard when you're working out because like your body's telling you like you need food you need food like it's not even like a boring kind of hungry like i can tell sometimes laying in bed like am i am i am i do i believe i'm hungry or am i actually hungry and

i'll be like no no i no, I'm really hungry. Like, and then you have to try and sleep through that. But the working out, I'm back on it and I don't know, I'm excited. I'm excited to be back on it. I feel so much better about myself. Like it's that, just that extra checkbox of something you accomplished that day makes all the difference. I don't even know that it's your body that feels better as much as it is that you're

proud of you. Right. Yeah, absolutely. That's a huge part of it is you're proud of you right yeah absolutely that's a huge part of it is like look at me i stuck to something and you know and i don't know it's like when you make a good healthy decision it impacts your other decisions because you want to like not sell that down the river like you don't want to eat a whole pecan pie unless like well kyle's situation was different because you were you had lost a banana's amount of weight very quickly.

Are you working out still, Kyle? Not as much. Maybe two days a week lifting weights. That's good. Still something. So real quick for me, I'm still lifting weights. I'm still doing the kettlebells. I'm really reliable at it.

Friday I was kind of hurt, so I did like a modified routine that skips stuff that hurt my back. It was like my rib cage had hurt. Anyway, Monday I killed it. I always kill on Mondays and then tend to like – like on Wednesday I'm not fully recovered. Then Friday I'm not fully, fully recovered. But Mondays I'm awesome, so I was. And my weight is down to 201, which is a new low for me.

Nice. And I just want to lose two more pounds. I feel like – I think it's somewhat psychological. I've been losing that slowly. But like from 205 to 199 just feels like it's taken forever. And, uh, uh,

but I'm a, I was a low tool on like two or 1.2 or two 1.0. So it's like just another pound in a fraction. And my weight starts with one. It seems like nothing, but you know, it's the work. And I PKA,

I bet you'll be at 200 point something i could be yeah in two days i think i could be at 200 i've uh this is a completely different topic but i guess it's time i i know it's almost time to end the show but so i'm going to talk about this more on pka this week because i'm kind of into it right now i've been watching these youtube videos of these this guy who reviews mres meals ready to eat you know military packaged meals and i thought that sounded pretty lame at first until I started watching. He reviews international

MREs so you get to see what the UAE get in theirs, the Italians, and the Chinese. Some of them are just pathetic. Some of them you're like, wow, that's incredible. The Italians get this little cordial of alcohol and two or three out of seven of their meals,

a little shot of booze in there. And he starts, and he's got old MREs from World War II, Vietnam, and he had some hardtack, which is like these cracker biscuit type things from the Civil War. From the Civil War, 155-year-old cracker. war from the civil war 155 year old cracker he's like smells like mothballs and library books tastes like mothballs too and and but as he goes through each one i'm like sitting there i don't know i'm fascinated sitting there watching him like some of them have the the automatic heating elements inside of them some of them have the the automatic heating

elements inside of them some of them have these little stoves that come with them and uh i watched one last night and it looked so good that i was like all right all right i'm buying some mres i i had to order the case of mres that that he was eating from is it like a variety pack it's a variety pack and each each meal is like kind of a gourmet thing it's absurd how like nice each meal looked um so so i i'll break those out on pk they don't have a lot of calories those mres like they're for people who are in the field burning calories they have different ones um and he reviews all different kinds of things told me that so i could be wrong oh no it's true i'm sure because he had this like one energy bar that was he's just like ah it's like just it's just butter and sugar just butter and sugar he's like

like 1800 calories and just this bar here but a lot of meals are like i think 1200 they're not that many calories but but like a 24-hour ration has multiple meals in it that's the thing like like one little thing has like breakfast lunch and dinner in it my calorie deficit i think is about 600 a day right if i'm losing a pound a week that's 3500 calories in a pound is that about right so 3500 divided by seven is 500 calories a day right so like an 1800 calorie bar would set me back for half a week. Like that one meal would absorb it all. Yeah. I don't know how that math of it really betrays how much like difference there is between a responsible cheat day and like a balls to the wall,

you know, cookies and candy cheat day. Cause you can eat like over a week of progress out. No problem. Like one, one pack of Oreos and you're like you know a whole week in the the drain you know i don't know how many calories are in that but that's a lot i'm kidding that fiber has a lot to do with how much you absorb like everyone's thermodynamics

they say the you know calories in calories out whatever but apparently like if you have 500 calories of apple uh your body keeps keeps a lot less of that than 500 calories of like sugar where your body is an expert at converting that into stored energy because and the fiber content apparently has a lot to do with whether it just rips right through you or becomes fat i uh i found and it's just one guy in a small sample size, but I feel like if I don't do a cheat day, it actually holds me back. If I stay really, like if I go two weeks without a cheat day, those are the weeks where I don't lose anything. I almost have to bring in a cheat day so my body starts burning again.

Not a cheat day, a cheat meal. Yeah, yeah. Makes sense. Because it's like then with a cheat meal almost or cheat day whatever it's like you're you're you're breaking your diet with the intent of getting back to it and so it's like a its own self-control test you know where it's like whereas if you're totally on the diet and then like four months in you cheat maybe you have like that catastrophizing thought process of like it's all over it's done you know because that's how most diets end is someone just eats like shit and then

they go well i guess it's hopeless you know and then my cheat meals usually like i get one cheat meal a week and it's like oh i can't wait i can't wait it's gonna be thursday it's gonna be lunch it's gonna be thai food there's never this thought process that like, this is my new life. It's, they're letting me out of solitary to see the sunshine for one afternoon. I can't wait. It's going to be great. You know, I'm not thinking I'm out. Just that's that.

I do not know what happened, like how this story ends, right? When I hit 190, which is my goal weight. I think that, I think'll look really good at 190. When I hit 190, what does a maintained diet look like? Do I get to have a milkshake a week? Right now I look at milkshakes like they're gonna burn me or something. Like they put a crucifix against them.

All right, so I don't think that I'm a good model for this, but I certainly don't gain weight quickly. What I do is I eat two meals a day, and one of them is any fucking thing I want, usually. Sometimes it's crazy. Last night I had spaghetti and meat sauce, and I had like three pieces of garlic bread. I mean, when I make a bowl of spaghetti, I make a bowl, like a cereal bowl full, brimming full of spaghetti with meat sauce and Romano and Parmesan cheese piled on top. And then I ate half a pint of ice cream, caramel ice cream after that. But I don't think I had eaten that day. Like I hadn't eaten leading up to that um that's how you get away with it you do like mini binges where you'll be like oh i haven't eaten in

like 18 hours and then you get that whole day's worth of calories and then you're like i can't possibly eat for another 18 hours i go i definitely there are full days where like I get really hungry, I'll just ignore it for an hour and it'll just go away. And I'll be fine. I do that a lot. I almost never eat breakfast. I almost never eat lunch. But two meals a day maximum usually. It's rare that I eat a third meal.

This is the best soda in the world. If you like Dr. Pepper, Dr. Pepper 10 is the best all of the 10 Calories sodas are excellent. I don't know what sweetener they use that only puts 10 calories in a 12 ounce soda But whatever that is they make a root beer an orange drink us like a Sierra Miss sprite type thing And maybe a sunkissed. I love. I have grown to actually like my water. I think my water tastes good. And I swear, me of two and a half months ago would have called water some kind of drink of sadness,

like a prison food kind of thing. Especially if it's cold. The water from my faucet is okay, but the water from my refrigerator comes out's cold. The water from my faucet is okay, but the water from my refrigerator comes out really cold. I'll guzzle that stuff like it's a treat. I'm just like, this water's extra good.

Cold water burns calories. A very teeny amount. Probably. It's got to be a significant amount. Your body's having to warm all that liquid up. Whatever energy it takes to warm that freezing cold liquid to 98 degrees. Or maybe your body uses less energy to keep itself cool. I don't know.

Well, it takes one calorie to increase the temperature of one cubic centimeter of water. One degree, right? Yeah, if we're using a flame. If we're using a flame, that's pretty good efficiency. But we're using your body. But anyway, I have, honest to goodness, reprogrammed myself to like food that's not as good. That's what people say when they stop drinking soda. Yeah.

I haven't had any soda. Lemonade? Since April 15th, which was kind of like my start date i've had maybe one sweet tea uh at at the thai restaurant and that was probably six weeks ago have you ever had a thai tea yes they are great but they're not on my menu do you know what's in it i i think what's in it and i'm probably wrong about this it's like half some sort of really strong Thai tea that's tasty and then like half cream. Like cream! And it's so fucking sweet

and delicious. It's called whitey cream. Whitey cream? Yeah, Y-T-E-E cream. Oh, I thought it was a racial joke. Yeah, no. They just serve it to the white people. I... Thai tea, white tea.

Yeah, there are a lot of foods that are just great. I look at, like, what's working for me is a level of food snobbery. You know, like, I saw someone eating Funyuns recently, and it was like, oh, how could you? Funyuns eating funyuns recently and it was like oh how could you funyuns funyuns are beneath me and and that is the kind of thought process that's kept me off of that kind of food i i heard rogan talking recently about like that experience of being deprived of something every day some other everyday comfort or food or something like that for a period of time and then how much you appreciate it when you get back he mentioned being i don't know if he was in alaska he was on some

hunt just wet and cold for a week and he's like i get back to la i'm just driving my car happy i'm just happy in my car because it's warm and i'm in my car and it's not wet and cold and his guest had his guest was really interesting isn't that his name was perez i can't think of his first name it's like joke episode 859 something like that. Anyway, this guy, he's a Latino comedian. He gets in a fight on a basketball court, beats the guy up. Fast forward three years later, he's put all that violence and hard shit behind him, and he's a comedian. He's gotten his own special on Showtime. He's been on Comedy Central a little bit and like some like those little shows where they talk shit back and forth like Yo Mama or something. He's getting his life together. The man he punched sees the Showtime special. Fast

forward maybe another year, he's been sentenced to three years in prison. So he and he and so he's the best Joe Roggan guest ever i think because he's got this experience of being both a comedian and having done some shit like go to fucking prison for three years and he had a great time in prison because like they found the guards found out he was a comedian and they're like you want to do some shows for us so he ends up doing fucking shows in prison all of the prisoners like him and and he's like i don't know that i don't know what i can say i'm not a clean comment they're like no no we already talked to the white supremacist they said you can say whatever you want they just want to show and he's so he's

like doing shows for the prisoners and then after a while they're like hey we're gonna have like some staff and administrators come to come down and we want you to be the example of the model prisoner the the big turnaround we want you to do a example of the model prisoner the the big turnaround we want you to do a comedy show for all of them but but no cursing and he's like all right cool but i won't i won't kfc he's like and joe and joe i was just talking shit but right after that show they handed me two two liters of coca-cola and a bucket of kfc and i was he's like and i walked back and gave each one of my people a piece of chicken. It was just like that scene in Shawshank Redemption when they're on the roof with the beers.

It was just like that. And for just a few minutes on that summer evening. I love it when you guys know the dialogue. I'm like, whoa, that's really it? And sometimes the accents are good. Sometimes.

Sometimes. I didn't mean that as a dig. In my head it was a compliment somehow. I don't anticipate because there are some accents you try and like as it's coming out you're like, oh, this isn't even close. I can't relate. I can't relate. No, I kind of nail him.

What happens to me, I get like four words in and be like, one, I don't know how to do this. Two, I don't know what he'd say. This is really not working out well. It's like, oh, fuck, the only two things you need for an impression. What they sound like and what they'd say. Yeah, yeah. My favorite is the Ugandan accent because I feel like it's pretty spot on.

At least it's as spot on as you need to be. And I fucking love making fun of that group of people. Oh, me and Chiz. That accent makes guests a little uncomfortable sometimes. They see it as... Which is silly. I saw a whirlybird thing.

That's not what they're called. They're these private helicopters, Woody, that are like, I don't know, 150 horsepower or something. It's really small. It might be called a mosquito. Many are like, I don't know, 150 horsepower or something. It's really small cockpits. It might be called a Mosquito. Many different brands, I'm sure. And there's like two seaters and stuff, and they're like 60,000 pounds or something.

But I was looking at these things, and I was like, ah, to save money, I should build my own. And then I remembered that fucking guy from Nigeria with that yellow costume on from ONA who made his own. He was pretending, I guess, like he had made his own helicopter yeah where he was like uh where and the reporter was just indulging this guy and he kept calling him he's like uh and he had like the South African accent he's like flight lieutenant flight lieutenant Mugumbe what do you need to do to make sure this can take off the ground? You know, because South Africans have that weird pacing. And he's like, and then he really, the guy himself doesn't even talk much in that video.

He just like gestures and points at the electrical part in the front. And it's like, and this is where you turn the rotor of the automobile. It does fly. It has flown multiple times. And I am the one that has flown it. You can ask anyone here, and they will confirm for you that I have flown this machine. And they'll be like, it's absolutely remarkable, Flight Lieutenant.

Flight Lieutenant, what else have you done to improve aviation in South Africa? I, uh, it is 100% electric as far as I know. You know? Dude,

the one that I saw, he hadn't flown it. And again, they completely indulged him. The authorities actually stopped him from flying like he was breaking some sort of rule. But remember the boy who took apart an alarm clock and made it look like a bomb? And they acted like he was some brilliant engineer and Obama

had him into the White House. Huge mistake. Yeah, it was ridiculous. It was stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid. Trump sent him to Gitmo. Trump would have sent him to Gitmo. I don't know. Trump hopefully would wisely ignore him like Obama should have done. But anyway, that's what this guy was like. All he really did is have access to a junkyard and make a make-believe flying machine.

I think it was a helicopter. It has like a... You know what a box fan is? You know they're like 24 inches. You put them next to the door and they blow on you. That's like his rotor. You know? Oh, yeah. It's tangled the wrong way. Probably. Yeah, yeah.

It looks like a kid made a treehouse out of scrap metal and shaped it like a helicopter. Yes. That's what it looks like. And he's wearing a uniform, too. That's the best part that matches. It's all Big Bird yellow.

It's all Big Bird yellow. The chopper, his getup, his helmet. He's got a helmet on. Being nice to him is racist. It is the racism of low expectations. They should be saying, saying yeah I'm telling you they should be like dude go to school gag oh well maybe I'm wrong about that thing I I he knows he hasn't flown it the report everyone knows he has it

it's a gag I feel dumb I mean Kyle what about this picture, this thumbnail? Is it the bicycle helmet or is it the Japanese flag he has painted on his Zimbabwe helicopter? Tell us, what have you done to advance? It's like it's so clear that he's just being ridiculous. I literally thought that like he was trying to pretend that he was some future aviator. And the reporters were trying to pretend like he had an accomplishment. When he turns on the rotors for this thing, it's like a broken ceiling fan. It is so slow. Oh, it's 17 minutes.

We can't watch that. Yeah, yeah. I strongly suggest it. If you search O o and a and like fake helicopter you'll see a helicopter yeah i'm looking at taylor's thing here yeah those are really fun yeah yeah we're at an hour and 20 or about an hour and a half really i felt like we should go a little long because we we all had so much game of thrones talk yeah but we got our fitness talk there's a good 15 minutes of disagreeing about Sansa.

This show, well, Kennedy, don't get me wrong, but it would have benefited from some editing. Just saying. But, yeah. Anyway, so that was PKN episode 153. I had fun. Me too.