Painkiller Already - PKN 565

Episode Date: June 17, 2025

PKN 565. It's new boys. I went shooting. Well, war. War's new too. I went shooting this past weekend for the first time in years. And the people I was going with are like big time gun guys. Like I guarantee they know who you are, Kyle. And it was one of those fun days for me where you know how gun people are like so often they're just so excited

to show you their stuff that they're like, shoot this one. They're like in a line walking up to me like, shoot this one, shoot this one. And it was kind of like a, a Hickok 45 style, where it's like a bunch of these staggered steel targets of different shapes and whatnot. And that was really cool because I've shot rifles, I've shot pistols and all that stuff many, many times, but like going shooting growing up, it was almost always shooting clays on my grandpa's farm and even hunting. It was like always, you know, always birds for the most part. And then I think I killed a deer with a rifle once. Only went deer hunting like twice ever. Didn't like it too slow, but I got to shoot a ton of guns I hadn't before. Really enjoyed it. I was worried that my glasses were going

to impede me because I've never shot with big, thick Coke bottle glasses, but it didn't fuck me up. Didn't throw me off. It just kind of, I feel like I had to, when looking through scopes angle a little differently than I would have to use the glasses. Oh, cause of glare. Yeah. Cause like the glare was kind of weird. I forgot to put a sunscreen on and I was outside with no shade for five hours. I got burned to hell. I was so red. You are a little red.

Yeah. And so my arms were really bad, but my favorite one, and Kyle, you know Calibers so well, was he had like a sniper rifle looking thing with a muzzle brake on it and it shot around called the 6.5 Creed more.

I literally knew you were going to say that before you said it. I should have said it out loud, but I might bet it's a six, five Creed more. I can feel it. You can feel it. I can feel it. I was expecting 308 and it, which is a lot less exotic. It's dope, but it's not. Yeah, those are cool.

But the, I'd never shot a more before. And that was a blast. Like the the furthest target they had the guy who's like range it was was like, you know, I'm sorry, I should have had a longer target out there. You know, I've meant to and it's like, brother, you're giving me bullets and guns to shoot all day, like calm down. But the furthest target they had was only like 600 and something feet. So yeah, it's like 200 yards. Yeah, he could have so 200 and it's probably 220. It's like 660 feet or so. None of them had a rangefinder. They didn't tell me. And so like that was a good learning distance for me because he had like the big iron gong thing and like, my God, these the scopes on these modern rifles, like I'd never shot it before and I was hitting

it every time. And so I started aiming for like this little fucking gopher looking thing that was hanging next to it and missed that a couple of times. Finally, uh, hit it on my second shot. And that was, I guess I missed it once and then hit it on the second one. It was so fun. I hadn't gone shooting in so many years. I was like, fuck, I can see why people get really, really into this because it's, it's a blast. And I also appreciated like the fun they were having showing someone a new thing that they enjoyed so much. Like you guys know what that's like when you introduce someone to something that you love and they reciprocate it and you can see the fun they're having. That's its own sort of fun, like giving someone something good on Christmas. So I had a great weekend.

Yeah. Gun people are often like, please like my sport. You know, you tried my sport, you would really like it. You fervent anti-gun person, just come to the range. And at the very least you'll come away better informed. Yeah. just give it a go. And he had like those like target shooting. I had never played with those like super fancy target 22 guns, like the the handguns that are like for target shooting. Right, right. Those those are like, that was, I don't remember the brand, but it was also suppressed. They had a lot of suppressed guns there and I hadn't shot as much suppressed as they had. That was the most suppressed weapons I've ever shot. But that little 22 suppressed, like I could shoot

that in this, in my office, if my girlfriend was sleeping on my couch and she wouldn't wake up. Desk pops incoming. Just saying. Like it was so quiet. It was crazy. couch and she wouldn't wake up. Desk pops incoming. Just saying. Like it was so quiet. It was crazy. Like a trash can full of sand and you could just desk pop when you agree with something we said. Was it a screw on suppressor or was it part of the barrel? Screw on. No, a couple of them are screw on.

One of them was part of the barrel. Yeah. Integral, right? Yeah. Integral. It sounds like a Ruger Mark IV or something like that. Did it like the slide you like grabbed a thing in the back and pulled back and it was sort of like a double exactly. It's kind of goofy looking. That's exactly what it was. It is. It almost looks like a like a German World War II kind of deal. Can we see a Ruger Mark IV? I actually know this gun. It's one of the guns that I've long desired. Yeah, but that was fun to shoot.

Go get that one. I should just get it. 22 is underrated to shoot. It's so fun. Oh, are you 18? Tee hee. These are extraordinary. Okay, his was not integral suppressed.

This version was not. This one not, it's screwed in. I got 18 on lock. I'm so 18. Holy cow. This is way more expensive than I thought it was going to be. Really? Yeah. I didn't, uh, is it some reason in my head, six or 800 on its own?

You're, you're right. I didn't consider that. Um, it's going to depend on the suppressor. 22 suppressors are the cheapest of suppressors, obviously, but this one's been integrally suppressed. So it's been built into the weapon. That's part of the cost there. And it looked like they were selling a whole package there

with an optic and maybe they did some other shit to it. You can get those in a couple of different ways that with that grip angle. And there's also a 45, not degree, but 45, like 19 that grip angle and there's also a 45 degree but 45 like 1911 grip angle that a lot of people prefer just that it points better but those are like those are the best. I don't know what what else there is like that's just what everyone uses I've had. Browning makes a pistol called a Buckmark. I had one of those, but nothing ever compared to the Ruger's on just reliability and they're cheap. You know, they, they come a bunch of different colors and styles and then integrally suppressing them that they

just look cool that way and they're quiet. I shot a M and P she, well, the, the five, five, six silenced that I shot. It was still like, all right, this would wake someone up off the couch. But the 45 is like a is it M&P shield? Is that? Yeah. Yeah. It was a 45 M&P shield. And that suppressed because it's subsonic also sounded pretty slick. Not not as bad as the 22.

But yeah, I think that's a good description. That's actually, I've probably heard you say that and I parroted it because when he shot it, I'm like, this sounds like a paintball gun. It does. Was that one integrally suppressed? Did you say or no? No, that one had threads on the barrel. I have that one, but in nine millimeter, which doesn't suppress quite as well because it's a supersonic. Yeah, maybe I might buy a gun. I might buy another. You know what? I don't think home innovation is really that important. Well, I gotta do that too. That's more important. I won't make money on a gun. You should get a Ruger 1022 rifle with a suppressor. And then if you want to later, you can take that same suppressor and put it on a Ruger Mark

four pistol and you know, one suppressor will do all the jobs of all the 22s There are some suppressors that do everything almost like I had a suppressor that you could put on a bunch of multi-caliber suppressors Is what I'm talking about though. Yeah, obviously It's a big one that you can just size down to smaller guns and it saves a good bit of money Although that the big beautiful bill still has the suppressor Language in it. So far in the Senate, that would be sick and I did shoot a 1022 silenced. So if the big beautiful bill passes and I think it will some

form of it. I think that thing survives. I don't think it's going to be an all-republican show, right? So it's not like the Democrats can stop it. If it does, it's a huge deal. Cause it's not just suppressors. We keep talking about suppressors because that's the big one for most people.

It's short barreled rifles and shotguns as well. It's opening a world of cool up to the average person and the manufacturers have to be just creaming themselves over, it changes a lot of stuff for them. They can make different stuff now They're not locked in on certain barrel lengths And everyone has like a decent array of guns Now has a very incomplete correct collection. I don't have any short barreled stuff. I don't have any suppressed stuff

I like oh my god I got buying to do you got to get out there You're leaving fun on the table. I thought I had a decent array of white rifles and now I realize the several categories why they're not represented at all. I think if I were to buy a gun, it's so off beat from what I was shooting there,

but revolvers are so cool and I don't have a revolver. Just aesthetically, they're so neat. I really want one. Revolvers don't press my happy button, just aesthetically, they're so neat, I really won't want one. Revolvers don't press my happy button that way, but lever action does. That's the, like, if you were like, dude, lever action is way neater than I thought it was ever gonna be.

Like, dude, I've seen guys shoot lever action damn near semi-auto speed. Like, you know, you can get good at it. I'm not that guy. But, I don't know. Like, you know, you can get good at it. I'm not that guy. But I think it's more common for people in their mind to sort of mentally cosplay as a military guy or a vigilante or whatever. Not your boy.

I'm cowboy over here. That's what lights my fire. Me too. I think that's why I like the wheel guns. I see it. Yeah. I'm going to wear spurs to the gun range. That's the best one. That's the best one. I get that.

That's an eight shot Smith & Wesson. Eight shot Smith & Wesson. End frame. Is this a... Okay, frame size large. So this is a full size... Yeah, you'd want to get in 357 Magnum that way you could 38 right still shoot 38. Yeah, and like 38 is so quiet and nice and gentle in this and that in that gun Yeah, dude, that's slick as hell Sorry, I talked to review do you remember what I have Kyle? I know I brought it camping. It's 657. Is that one?

What kind of gun is it? It's a 357. It's a revolver. Oh, now I don't remember. I didn't remember you bringing a revolver to the camping thing, to the wings thing or to the survival thing. The survival. We did that thing at the swamp with wings that time and shot some guns.

Oh, I know what you're talking about. No, yeah, yeah. No, this was the survival guns. Oh, I know what you're talking about. No, yeah, yeah, no, this was the survival thing. I also brought the shotgun, if I recall. I remember the long gun. I didn't remember you bringing a pistol. Maybe you were keeping that hidden in case me and Chiz turned on you. You got me.

Yeah. I'm trying to look up what I have is if everyone's dying to know. Mm hmm. All right. I'm trying to look up what I have as if everyone's dying to know. Yeah, I like Smith and Wesson. That's a really good one. You can also do more. That's sort of a modern one. There may be something cooler and newer that I'm not aware of.

But that one to me is that is a nice modern one. And eight shot, it kind of balances that. Oh, that that sort of mid, it finds that mid ground between a six shooter and a modern day high capacity semi-auto, you know, a Glock holds 17 bullets and then one in the chamber. So that's a lot of shooting you can do

with a standard magazine compared to a revolver. What is that thing called, Kyle, where like on old school, one of the revolvers I shot was in 45 Colt and it was like an old school looking revolver and it had that extra little hook on the bottom of the trigger guard where your other finger goes. Am I not explaining that well where you have your trigger finger and then it's like there's a second finger under it. That on like a little loop a little hook that you hold on to. I don't know. Right that just sounds it is it functional or is it just part of the grip? It's part of the grip.

Yeah I can't imagine that I've never seen that exactly. I don't know what that is. Some guns have set triggers where you have two triggers. One of them removes 85, 90% of the trigger pull. And then you have the second one. Here it is. This is just the first thing I clicked. It is not this old, but Zach, pull this picture up. So the poor audience, I explained.

There's a poor audience. Look at that. But do you see that little loop under the lower? Yeah. Yeah. Not, not that one. That's a, that's what this is mine. I asked where you asked. Sorry. Sorry. This is probably just did it in order. I think this is what I have. It's a six.

What was it? Six 87, something like that. But it's fine. That, that like loop thing under there. Yeah. Have you. What is the term for that? I have no idea. Oh, wonder what it does. It looks like your finger goes on there. It does. It does. Yeah. It made stabilized it better. And I liked that. And it also looked cool and old school. The one it wasn't nearly this old,

the one I was shooting, obviously, it was like slick and the whole trigger guard was gold and there was like Nice like wood in the handle The only thing I don't love about that is I wonder what the holster looks like for it I get a holster for every gun because to me that's part of the like it's like a trigger safety for storage You know when you pull it out of a gym bag, I want it to be in a holster not chance with the trigger exposed That's smart. Yeah.

The gun is a 22 though. You should get a 22 rifle or a 22 pistol and the Ruger's are my favorites. And those, uh, both of those would be, either one would be a Ruger. Yeah. I liked the Ruger I shot this weekend with that. They're so cheap to shoot. And any other gun to me, unless you're really, you almost need to be able to write the ammunition off. It almost needs to be part of your job to be,

to like shoot AR 15 for fun on a weekly basis. Like that needs to be your golf. You know that you don't, you don't have another hobby. If every weekend you go and you shoot your AR a thousand rounds. Oh my God. That's so much more expensive than golf. Yeah. Well, yeah. You get clubs once get clubs once right you know you're not shooting a thousand golf balls a game i mean the best you went through a hundred balls every day that's how i lower my score i throw away every ball that's bad let's go back up if you're really really bad at golf it can be expensive but If you're really, really bad at golf, it can be expensive. But otherwise you just buy the clubs and it's like fifteen dollars to play nine

on a reasonable course per person. And that's like or like it's like twenty five dollars to play 18, 20, 25. And that's a whole afternoon of activity. Yeah, I don't like playing 18 holes. It's too much. Nine holes. They got it right with nine. Eighteen is like if you're trying to compete or something. Yeah. So 22 is the way to go because you can just shoot it all the time. And it's so quiet that like you could set up a shooting range in your basement. You know, I wouldn't, I wouldn't tell people that I've done

you know, they'll look at you funny, but you could totally set up a shooting range in your basement. How much does it take to stop a 22? Woodworking shot. Oh, a couple of lifetime magazines. Really? A couple of magazines will stop a 22? No, it's an old joke I thought we were gonna get. No.

No. No. No, it'll go right through those. Kyle thought about making a bulletproof vest like out of magazines and stuff, and I was like, I think you'll die. And he's like, well, okay, okay, okay. To be safe, I'll put wood glue in between the pages.

It's like, I think you should test it while not wearing it first. And then I pointed them to a website where a guy had done a lot of penetration testing of magazines and books and stuff. And they go, they just seem to have a knack for magazines. They go deeper than you'd guess. Yeah, magazines suck at stopping bullets.

I, we had that conversation and then I went to my mom's and she had this crazy collection of magazines. Not that she was keeping them or even organizing them, it was just like when they were in a chest. You just had this chest full of them. And I got out a pile of them. I stacked them up two feet deep and put the muzzle of my pistol on it and went bang! And it went through them all.

It went through them all. I was like, ah, that was- You'd be surprised. They go through carpet too. I shot a hole in the house's floor one time. And it showed my floor joists. What for? I've only had one accidental

discharge and it was when I was like 10 or 11 that's when that happens yeah yeah I had gotten my my Remington Speedmaster out and it's got a tube underneath the barrel to hold the bullets you stack it full and they're like into in like ass to head to ass like stacked you know in that in a rod and it's fed in the bottom it's hard to get them all out when you unload it usually you shoot them all out and then you know for sure because the springs pushed them on but if you just try to like get them all out you well I left one in there and I was mad because dad wouldn't let me shoot so I like

dry-fired it pointing at the floor as I was walking back to my bedroom with it just bang right through the you know the floor as I was walking back to my bedroom with it and just bang Right through the you know the floor into the basement, you know somewhere somewhere We didn't do any damage and it was carpets and nobody cared. Oh You can heart it kind of like Almost self-heal. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah You had there would be you could you didn't need you to send a fucking Investigator in there from CSI to find out that a bullet had been fired into that carpet There was no evidence that it had happened with a 22. It just eats it up. Did you get in trouble? No

sick Like what are you gonna do beat me up? first desk pop It's okay boy. It's you know, it depends on like your, if I had been like, ha ha, that was funny. Like, I'm sure I got punished, but I was like, oh no, I'm so sorry. I fucked up. Oh, I'm so sorry. I fucked up.

Oh no. I was like, yeah, you learned something, didn't you? And it was like, you know, it was that. Yeah. That is the perfect way to respond in many kinahesis. Like I made a mistake. I apologize. I won't do that again.

And I didn't. I never had an accidental discharge after that for like 20 years. Just didn't pull the trigger unless I was sure. I didn't point at anything unless I was sure. Smart. Spent most of my day trying to save a life. I'm not sure how it's going.

It is still- Quirrell? No, I saw him live streaming, happens on stream, my day trying to save a life. I'm not sure how it's going. It is still- Quirrell? No, I saw him live streaming, happens on stream, Colin taps on my shoulder and he's like, there's a turtle in the pool. And I'm picturing a turtle on the surface of the pool. You know, they only their heads sort of stick out and he's like, it's on the bottom.

So I was like, oh, a dead turtle. Okey-dokey. So I just take a minute off stream, play a song for them. And you get the net with the long rod. Every pull owner has one. And he doesn't seem dead. I mean, he's not moving, but like he's not decayed in the slightest. He just seems really intact.

And when I like shake his hand and stuff little turtle hand. Oh He's like maybe maybe like reacting a little I'm not a hundred percent sure but I figure he's exhausted I don't know if turtles can breathe underwater at this point and I Okay, so as I bring him in I bring him I'm showing chat and everything I'm like, this is my new bring him in, I bring him, I'm showing chat and everything. I'm like, this is my new turtle, check him out. We name him Franklin. I keep him on my desk and then I get a box,

put some lettuce in the turtle, put the turtle's head right on the lettuce and have him sit here next to me while I stream some more. Dope. Chat saying, turtles are cold blooded and he probably doesn't like your air conditioned room and he's not moving. It's not like he's bouncing back

and I have some counterpoint to make He just isn't moving and I'm even Is he alive? I'm not sure so I take the box with the lettuce and I put it outside in the shade But in the warmth, right? so it's like warm shady area in a box with some lettuce and I figured this will protect him in his vulnerable state from the other wildlife because you know like hawks and I don't know what eats turtles but this one's easy pickings. So uh so he sits out there for a few hours I check on him and he seems almost too dry to me like not healthy. I take him to the pool the top step is only like a half inch

deep he's not reacting and I put him back in the box and like, I don't know if he's gonna make it. I don't know if he's even already dead. So, at the end of streams, this is a good like 5 hours later, I get the turtle and I'm like, chat, I think Franklin's dead. Chat named him Franklin and uh I hold him on stream and I'm like, shaking his little hand and then I pull his head and he goes, no. They're like, wait, what?

Oh my, I was so startled. I freak and I'm like, he's alive, he's alive, he's alive. Drop him, the shell explodes. I'm like, clip it, clip it, clip it. I don't know what it, but he pulls his head back in and I replicate that a few times, chat, till he stopped pulling turtle heads, this isn't very nice. And my wife is Googling, like, is this turtle,

turns out they can hold their breath for like five or six hours. So there's a real chance, even though he's on the bottom of the pool, that he's okay. And some Indian dude made a YouTube video. I think it was titled, I didn't see it, Jackie did, how to tell if your turtle is alive. You believe this guy made it. Apparently turtles play dead and mine is really, really,

as you can see, this one is in two pieces. And so it is not alive. not alive. So anyway, Jackie says he's dead and that I'm delusional that he's not alive. I put him outside in the front yard in the garden where I think he's like the happiest but sort of safest place we could be. He'll be in shade, ready to go for the night. And I give him a plate with water in it so that he can get a drink because I think this guy's in a in rough rough shape. And we take a shower and we

come back and he hasn't moved not one millimeter. I took a picture of him. Perhaps perhaps a picture of a dead turtle and a crime scene photo. Draw chalk around him. This is my turtle and that is a dead turtle. It is. I'm not going I'm your witness. The

turtle's not dead yet. He's definitely reacting to you pulling his head out like that and uh I put him back. I I don't know what to do. He has a piece of lettuce next to him. He has a a a poorly kept garden around him and uh and

some water and he's outside and I just I'm hoping that that he crawls away, but I'm predicting I find him covered with bugs. That's what I hope. You've done everything you can do. I'll keep you updated. When you said there was an Indian guy doing that, like you know that a Geo guesser guy, Rain Bolt? Yeah.

Who like that though, right? Yeah, he's a white guy, but he'll see a picture and someone will be like, here's a picture of my grandparents from 1931 i'd love or my great grandparents i'd love to see where they were and he's like they were off the coast of kosovo on this rock like some ridiculous thing i'm picturing an indian guy's channel who's like they just show him rapid fire like one frame of a turtle and he's like dead. That one's alive. He's eating strawberry alive. Dead.

Not tricking me with a tortoise. Do not even try. Indian rainbow. Well, I hope he lives. No, he's such a good Indian rainbow. You just show him piles of garbage in India and he's like outside of Mumbai Near the dead cow pile Yeah, I mean you did everything hope you pulled through jack

Jack Zach, can we watch a little bit of this video and turn the volume up, please? Well, I hope this is the are they alive from Ted Indian We're gonna need volume to starting over This are very sensitive to their legs and tails. So We're gonna need volume to starting over. Yeah, starting over. Turtles are very sensitive to their legs and tail, so that way you can know your turtle is not dead. Or that way you can know your turtle is not dead. Also turtles are very sensitive to their legs and tail, so if you gently touch the leg or

the tail, it will show a quick movement. It should show quick movement even if you're not sure there are some other ways like Put a small feather type thing in front of the nostril of the turtle And if you see some kind of movement of the feather, then you know, the turtle is breathed that way You can know your turtle is not there Put a feather or perhaps small piece of garbage in front of the turtle is breathed, so that way you can know your turtle is not dead. Put a feather or perhaps small piece of garbage in front of the turtle's nose, see if it moves. That's so funny. Hey guys, it's Mahresh. Welcome back to the channel. Today we be looking at the number of dead daughters. He's going to like be responding to your stream and being like,

and here is where he went wrong. Never pulled his head out. He's bullying it. Yeah. well, that's an exciting day. It's a banger. You did everything you could to save him. Hopefully he's not there in the morning. Even if it's because a hawk picked him up or something, carried him away. And at least you could still maintain that that feeling of like, yeah, I've seen where birds will drop them from a high height under rocks to crack their shells.

Hmm. If I hear a thought on the house, I'll know. It's Franklin. Maybe that's how he got in the pool. Maybe he was air dropped. You never know. That's the best name for a turtle. Franklin.

Hey, it's Franklin. Mm hmm. Coming over to your house. That named him. Yeah. You don't remember Franklin, Kyle? Yeah, I remember Franklin. I'm just trying to your house. Named him. Yeah. You don't remember Franklin, Kyle? Yeah, I remember Franklin.

I'm just trying to think of a better turtle name. Oh, I think they got it sealed, signed and delivered with Franklin there. OK, OK, Taylor, let's change up the game on you. What if it was a tortoise? Fuck, what was the name of that tortoise from Finding Nemo? Who's who's going through the was it, Jeff? Oogway? No, his it Jeff? Oogway? No, his name wasn't Oogway, Jeff.

It might be, or Zack, sorry. It might be Jeff. Crush. Oh, Crush. Crush. His name is Crush. Then that's... I liked Crush as a character.

Does Crush have to do with being a turtle or a tortoise? Well, it's because he was radical. And so it was like, he was riding the sea channel or whatever the fucking the the surf. And so he was like, yeah, the currents like, oh, that's radical. That's crazy. He crushed it. Cow Bunga. Yeah. I've seen bits of that movie. I'm aware they're searching for a child that's lost. Oh, you've got to see it. I'll skip that one. I think Ellen's in there. I don't I don't watch anything with Ellen in there and solidary. What taken? It's the same plot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I've heard that too. Yeah

Holy shit it is I prefer Nemo Stories to be told they're all just the same story told with with different pieces and parts but in there Yeah, I'm looking forward to the new naked told with with different pieces and parts but in there Yeah, I'm looking forward to the new naked gun movie with Liam Neeson. That looks so fun to me I like that. They got Pam Anderson in it. I like they got everybody's sons in there The the OJ guys son is so that's so funny to me. I want tons of OJ jokes Since if you don't know it's like they're all the sons of the former cops And so they're all like looking at their father's

dead father's pictures on the wall of the police station it's like miss you pop dad this one's for you and then oj son's like yeah to avenge you from the lies of that waiter This is to avenge you from the lies of that waiter. That sneaky Jewish waiter that was living in your house getting blowjobs from your wife. Very sneaky and very Jewish. He fell on a knife or something. I don't know what happened to him. Clumsily spoke.

So what have you been up to today, Kyle? Any dog adventures? I've been following the potential war, you know. I've been keeping an eye on that. I found this YouTuber who like sits and reads articles with his chat and then he's got like four bubbles like screens pulled up of like the skyline of Israel and the skyline of Bethlehem, the skyline of Raqqa and all these cities and sort of like as they go breaking down like the most current cutting information, I guess, trying to figure out what's going to happen.

Shut up. Glad you. They hate the storm. Yeah, it looks like I saw that there was a an explosion somewhere in Iran the other day at the location of an underground nuclear facility that was like a 2.3 on the Richter scale or something like that. They're trying to figure out what that even would have been. So that was interesting. And they just keep trading those missiles back and forth. It's been wild to see those Tel Aviv neighborhoods exploded. I thought one of the sides was looking for peace. Am I just mistaken?

Iran is trying to negotiate. I wasn't sure. Yeah, yeah. But they're still sending missiles while saying we're interested in peace. OK. That was like the lead up is Trump told Netanyahu, don't attack Iran. We're getting close to a deal here. And Netanyahu is like, oh, you silly moron.

This is about regime change in Iran. I know they don't have nukes that are going to get us. And then he shot, instigated it to try and end the, this is my idea, I think he- I think Trump came out and said that he was okay with it. He gave him the green light. The US pulled all their troops out of the area. They knew about it.

If you listen to his like talk, because I heard the interview with Trump where he, or the quick talk, not really a full interview, but he was like, yeah, I told him, told him not to, but then he did it. And, uh, but of course I, we, we knew and we were gonna, you know, we, we were okay with it. Once you told us, didn't think it was the best idea, but this and that. And so it's like, Israel, it was in my opinion, it was Trump trying to remain being seen as the big man while clearly being maneuvered by Netanyahu.

Because Netanyahu does not want Iran to negotiate in their current stance because what he wants is regime change. And you can't get regime change if they come to an agreement. And so he bombed Iran. And now it's like, you can't really negotiate in good faith and be like, hey, Supreme Leader of Iran, definitely come to Turkey. Definitely, yeah, you're being bombed right now. Definitely trying to-

Nobody wants to negotiate. Israel's going to keep blowing them up. No, no. Iran wants to negotiate. I completely disagree with your take on this. They were at war. They were launching missiles back in- Iran's looking for an offer. Sure, Iran. Iran must disagree with your take on this. They are at war. They are launching missiles back in Africa. Sure, Iran wants the missiles to stop. Sure. But Trump is on Twitter being insane. Like, we own the skies over Tehran. All of their anti-missile technology for not the

best stuff is made in America. And then what's, what did he say? He's like, Iran must surrender, unconditional surrender. And it's like, there's, you didn't declare war yet asshole. Cause you can't. He's making a fucking fool of himself to cover for Israel is what's happening.

He's like, we know where the Supreme leader is. I decided he shouldn't be killed yet. Trump said that. Well, they do. Like, like, like they, they and Yahoo asked for permission to kill the supreme leader of Iran. And Trump said, no, they did, however, kill. I don't know what the number is.

I don't think anyone does yet. Maybe the Iranians, some of them do. How many nuclear scientists and nuclear adjacent people were assassinated, not just blown up because they happen to be in a building, but car bomb, there were five car bombings, like in sequence. They killed their, they killed the chief nuclear negotiator. He doesn't make bombs, he negotiates nuclear deals. That goes into my point.

He said not to take out the Supreme Leader. I'm not saying you have your facts wrong, I am saying it is tricky sometimes to tell what's true and what's not. I believe that one. Trump lies constantly. So like Taylor's take of, he might've just said that to act like he was in control.

Possible. Kyle's take of Trump is true, this is an actual thing where he decided not to do it. Possible. Like I have given up. You need to know where everyone else was. They killed so many of them. They have those, a lot of those higher ups

had those secret like dingy apartments they were staying in and they blew up a whole apartment building to get one of those guys. They killed 60 people, including 20 children, to kill one scientist in an apartment building. I mean, part of Trump's ethos, from what I can tell, I mean, you can always be wrong, you know, trying to shut this down and avoid what's happening now. And Israel preempted the eventual hopeful and you can't say whether or not the negotiations

would have been successful or not. We don't know now because they're kind of off the table because now they're actively bombing one another. But I think Trump is covering trying to look like he's the big man. Like, oh yeah, I definitely wasn't defied by a foreign leader who I pay huge amounts of money to and support militaristically. Definitely not that. I definitely, nobody got the better of me, the best negotiator of all time. I knew what was up. And it's like, it doesn't make sense with his base. Like the only reason that tens of millions of us voted for Trump.

Well, I guess two reasons. Number one, mass deportations. He's failing entirely on that. And number two is no new wars. And so he's getting a ridiculous amount of pushback on social media from Trump people who voted for him being like, bro, this was one of the two things we wanted you to really do. And if you continue to allow this to escalate

and don't step in, and apparently he can't step in because Israel's gonna do whatever they want anyway. It's just a terrible situation. You fucked us in further. No, I think he's being made a fool of. I have a question for Kyle, because you've been keeping your thumb on it all day. Do you have any vibe for whether or not Iran will have any allies or coalition that helped them?

Because it's like they're alone right now They're going to stay alone too. And then if anybody steps up, they'll get bombed. I know there and they're bombing in what's the other country? Israel is bombing another country Lebanon It may have been living on where there were strikes yesterday the day before another country. Lebanon. It may have been Lebanon where there were strikes yesterday the day before. Pakistan did say that if Israel nukes Iran they will nuke Israel. That's always fun to hear. But China condemned it as well. No I think what happened is Netanyahu asked Trump if he to join him in his strikes and Trump declined and said if you're going to do it don't kill the president of Iran or the supreme leader of Iran.

And now Trump is just having to sit on the outside. It's not that I haven't seen Trump do anything that he said he wouldn't do yet. They're preparing for a war for sure. They're moving the task force from the Pacific over like closer to the region. There's been a steady stream of the refueling strato liner like planes, the fuel planes that do midair refueling. They've been heading over to the mid-east. It was interesting, the Israelis took their F-35s and they fabricated stealth drop pods, fuel pods that you drop off when you're done with them

and put them on their F-35s so they would have enough range to fly all the way to Iran bomb and then come back without refueling so I thought that my mother Loves when Israel does stuff like that. She's convinced the Israeli pilots are so much better than any American pilot has ever been She's convinced that the Israeli military like Creativity side I'm looking for like the people that build it are just so much better than the Americans.

They're like, they take our stuff and they make it so much better. And I'm like, shut the fuck up with you. Not to my mom, but like in my... Let's relax on they bedazzled an F-35 and act like they did something better than inventing the F-35. Reminder that they're begging

for missile defense systems right now because Iron Dome is failing so much. They're begging for THAAD and Patriot and it's being sent. It's on the way because what their stuff wasn't cutting it and they need our stuff. Those ballistic missiles that are coming in, they're not all that much different than like the V2s the Germans were bombing London with in World War II. It's a ton of explosives. It's literally 2000 pounds explosive charge, but a ballistic missile goes up into space

and then makes a turn and comes back down really, really fast. They do go supersonic, but it's not the supersonic advanced tech that people wanna tout. They put hypersonic on their YouTube videos, like clickbait. That's, they are hypersonic,

just like the V2s of World War II were hypersonic. That's what a ballistic missile does. It goes really fast, but it's not maneuverable, regardless of what the Iranians are saying. But watching them impact, oh my God, I'd never seen anything hit that fast and hard before up close. Those things are coming in at 1000s of miles per hour.

And just a massive explosion with a cool ass shockwave. I mean, I feel bad because it's people but watching the explosion is cool as shit. I think it's shockwave porn. I mean, that's not porn. Yeah, I think that's the subreddit I was on you get to see the get to see that actually all right So how do you think this is gonna go Kyle like Iran loses? Yeah? Iran doesn't have enough missiles to I don't think a man has enough missiles to keep this up and the Israelis are blowing them Up on the launch pads like the Israelis do on the skies over their country

They they've got huge stores of ballistic missiles underground in mountains Their nuclear facilities are in mountains their Their enrichment facilities are, what do they say? They said 90 meters, so almost 300 feet underground where none of the Israeli weapons can reach those. There's only one weapon that can reach those. That's our bunker buster bombs. There are only like two or three planes that can carry a bunker buster bomb. And they're on their way, I'm sure. No, there's only like, well, see, that's the question. That, that, that is the, um, if the U S gets involved, the way they will get

involved is they will have to put an American plane, um, in the air to drop the bunker buster bombs on the nuclear facilities because the, uh, the, uh, the Israelis don't have that. They don't have the plane that carries the bomb and they don't have the bomb. Yeah. So it would be us once again, fighting on their behalf. So there's no way for this to go well. It's insulting to us that Israel just defies our wishes.

We don't own them. They can do what they want. They don't define our wishes. They're not a national state. They're not Puerto Rico or Georgia. They're Israel. They can do exactly what they want. They define our wishes. They're not a vassal state. They're not Puerto Rico or Georgia. They're Israel. They can do exactly what they want. And then we bail them out.

We haven't yet. We're already in the process. We're sending huge amounts of military assets over there. I saw today the little radar graphic of how much stuff we're sending. We're preparing to defend ourselves should Iran attack any of our bases. But we haven't done anything yet that Iran doesn't want to. Iran wants an off ramp because they can't win. If the US gets involved at all, they're cooked. They're done. They're already got zero percent chance. And so I just want to ask you guys predictions, almost like a death pool.

I just want to ask you guys predictions, almost like a death pool. I made my, is the false flag going to be domestic in the U S to coax us into it? Or is it going to be like a ship in the middle East that we say was hit by a round? Well, well, I know your friends at anonymous claim it's going to be on, on home soil. So that would be a good bet. Really? I would have picked ship. I that's, that's my guess too. I think that it's more likely that there is some military asset in the Middle East that is destroyed and we say

it's the Iran. It even needs to be false flagged. It could just be the Houthis doing it or something. Who's gonna do the false flag? Well, who, I don't know. What party once swore with Iran the most? It's so curious. Like who would do it?

Israel, but that's not a false flag, that's an attack. know like what party once wore with Iran the most it's so curious like who is real but how does it but but that's not a false flag that's an attack if israel false flagged our ship that would be a false flag do you think israel is going to attack the united states it would be as if like like do you remember in the 50s when israel attacked the USS liberty and tried to blame uh egypt yes you bring it up every week do Do you remember that though? I'm saying this president. Do you remember how many Americans were killed? I think it was at the 50s. 34. Ah ha! 35 in my book. This man seems to claim to care about these American's deaths. He don't even know how many died. I told him last week. Hey Taylor, I'm going to tell you something I tell you every week. It was 1967. Just so you know.

And I'm a retarded idiot. I mean the next thing he's going to start spouting is that all of the Jewish leadership in Israel are actually European Jews and they have fake names to sound Middle Eastern. He's going to start saying that Netanyahu's real name is like Koplinski or something. Yeah dude there's tons of blue-eyed guys in the Middle East. You know it is, right? Yeah. I didn't know that. They all change their names to Middle Eastern names. They're all... The Israelis are European Jews. They are no different than the colonizers of South Africa. They're Europeans who went to the Middle East. Dude, they're

obviously European. Look at Netanyahu on TV with his fucking blue eyes. He's got a tan, bro. What are you talking about? He fits right in. He looks like he belongs and his name is Netanyahu. Netanyahu. Yeah, dude, it's crazy that we are, I pray we don't get roped into another long bit of horse shit in the Middle East. I don't even know what the scenario you're describing is. No one is putting boots on the ground in Iran. We're going to, if we get involved,

it will be to do what I said. It'll be to send a stealth bomber over there with bunker buster bombs to drop on buried facilities. Nobody is stepping a foot into Iranian territory. Nobody is, not an Israeli, not an American. There's no need to, there's no need to. There's no purpose to that. I to that saying that you're wrong Kyle I cannot tell I have no crystal ball, but in my lifetime we stepped foot into Iraq twice

So the idea that we stepped foot into Iran, it's not beyond Comprehension to me. I agree with the reason that there would Graphically geopolitically and just on paper, it doesn't add up. We can't take Iran like that. We bullied Iraq in a day, in a week. We can't do that to Iran. Where do we land? You said three things, and it's like, I agree, I agree, I agree.

It's still like, are you telling me that Trump thinks he can't take Iran? Take is the thing. It's how you define take. Are we talking about going into a city like Tehran of like 16 million people or something like that, and like riding through it with Abrams tanks, and like having special forces in the buildings? No, that is never going to happen.

And no one intends for that to happen. I guarantee in their war planning. It's not part of it It's a dick It'll be a decapitation need to ask that lady at Nara Lago who he showed the an Iran invasion war Like the you were saying colleague a lot of these car bombings happening happening in Iran and what not like a lot of the Attacks on Iran so far are coming internally. And so it's like, and they've planned this for years. And so it's like agents that are already over there doing this. And so they've planned this for a long time. The thing I'm saying that makes

me think we could eventually be sending troops, which would be a disaster because you're a hundred percent right, Kyle, Iran is not Iraq. It's much more fortified, much more difficult, much more advanced, especially now 25 years later. But the goal of Israel is not, you know, they're not horrified of a nuke. They want regime change. They want a friendlier regime in Iran. I mean, no, that's a stated thing that Netanyahu said.

No, no, no, they hate Arabs. They don't care who's in charge. Oh, they care. Yeah. Netanyahu has said this. He said he wants a different regime. Yeah, but we've already established he's a liar and can't be trusted. I showed you that picture of him with the Looney Tunes bomb from the 90s, you know what I mean? That was going to be full in two years. Like one of those bank fundraisers he's scribbling in from the bottom or some shit. All I'm saying is when it comes to US involvement, Israel tends to get what they want and Israel wants regime change and there is no way to feasibly enact regime change without some

level of boots on the ground. And so already I'm seeing a lot of the guy up a lot of the guy. Well, then then it would just be a next man up thing in the regime itself wouldn't change. Well, yeah, they're all your favorite regime. Maybe that's what they're trying to. Oh, my God, you're talking about taking the okay. Well, now you're talking about conquering a country. It's not going to well not fully conquered because we didn't have the manpower. We did it to Libya and Syria with some boots on the ground, not a shit ton.

Like, like, like the people who fight wars aren't, aren't stupid. Those generals aren't stupid. They wouldn't go with less than what they need. What they need is half a million Americans over there. We got 40,000 right now. They would need to send 460,000 active duty Americans there. There would be a buildup that took months to take Iran. It would be very clear what was happening.

And that's not what's happening. It's not going to happen. They're gonna continue to bomb each other. Iran's going to lose, they're gonna capitulate, and there'll be a ceasefire when Israel has decided that enough of Iranian scientists and sites have been destroyed. But nobody's invading Iran.

There's not gonna be a World War III. Nobody is like getting Iran's back, certainly not Russia. They got their hands full. Oh. I'm sorry, you made me think of something. Taylor, you said China condemned it, but I couldn't gather context clues what it was. What was the nature of their condemnation?

China condemned Israel's attacks on Iran. Okay. Because Iran's much more of an ally to China than Israel is. The extent of a condemnation, who knows? Like, is China gonna send a bunch of help to Iran? I kinda doubt it. China wagged their finger and did this thing.

That is true. It's a big deal. Yeah, what's that? What's that Russian saying about China? Like the China's last warning is like a Russian saying. I think that's right. Where, you know, China, yeah, China's final warning. We're going to not deal with this anymore.

And then they bluster, they blow VA and then they deal with it. Look, I'm not a fan of Israel, but man, they're good at what they do. They're so good at what they do They're the best at it that there are but they are clearly like balls deep Intelligence wise in the Iranian infrastructure. They knew where everybody was they knew where their hidey holes were The way they just eliminated all those people in the in 24 hours was crazy infrastructure. They knew where everybody was. They knew where their hidey holes were. The way they just eliminated all those people in the, in 24 hours was crazy. They killed so many people. You saw that missile, I'm sure that went straight through the wall of

the guy's apartment and blew up in his bedroom. Yeah, dude. I, what was my takeaway from that was like, Oh, I see. So you can send a missile and basically blow up some dudes sitting on a couch. Let's revisit that time. You dropped the mother of all bombs on a bunch of tents and acted like that was the only way you could handle the situation. 110,000%. That's exactly what I thought. It's like, Oh, okay. So all this Palestine stuff has just been exactly what critics have been calling. I get the like, the logic behind that. But, you know, it's two different scenarios. And

I'm not even defending Israel. What they're doing right now is illegal. But I think we'd look on it with not such a dim view if they hadn't been genocide in Gaza for the last year or two. I think if this came out of the blue, we'd be like, well, you know, Iran can't have a nuclear weapon. I have heard that somewhere before. I saw Netanyahu on TV. My grandparents were in town last night. I had a doctor's appointment, and so they spent the night in my guest room. And, you know, they don't have, you know, I don't have good TV for boomers. Like I don't have Fox or CNN or anything.

I have whatever news source is on like the, you know how Hulu has like a live TV option. It's like ABC or NBC or it was ABC. And so I just put that on cause they like, you know, they're boomers. That's what they like. And Netanyahu was giving an interview and he was like straight faced.

I don't know how he didn't laugh being like, Iran having a nuke is a threat to the continental United States. And it's like, are you retarded? Who's falling for that? If it weren't for- I think it is. If it weren't for-

I agree with that. Like we are so controlled, like influenced by the Middle Eastern politics and Israel has such a hold over so many of the the APAC politicians. I would not give a shit about what these two countries were doing. Throw them back and forth, whatever, you know, innocent loss of life. Not great. Everyone doesn't like to see that. It's only because we have to fund it and we have to be such a big part of it that it's a big deal. That's the only thing. I don't know if I agree with Kyle's take. I'm not firm on it, but

I think he was saying Iran can't have nukes. And in my mind, I'm like, I don't know. I agree with Kyle's take. I'm not firm on it, but I think he was saying Iran can't have nukes. And in my mind, I'm like, I don't know. Israel has nukes. Pakistan has nukes. India has nukes. China has nukes. America has nukes.

Russia has nukes. I haven't seen nuclear war yet. Yeah. So like, but in honestly, most of those countries I named, maybe I've seen nuclear deterrence. Maybe there's less war because of all these nukes. No. I think there are a hundred percent is.

I think you're right. It's a different scenario. We know it's a different scenario. All right, first of all, we know what Israel is. We know that they clearly want to genocide Arabs. So do the Iranians. The Iranians are constantly chanting death to America and death to Israel.

The Supreme leader chants it, you know? Like they also fund all these terrorist organizations, not the ones that are operating in the shadows outside of our reach or outside of our purview, ones like the Houthis and Hezbollah that actively kill American servicemen and and and harass ship shipping, shipping lanes, all it would take is them to slip some nuclear material to one of those groups and have them smuggle it in a container ship over to our seas and have a dirty bomb go off in one of our big ports to just cripple us. It would be 100 9-11s. They would never do that. Their country's dead by the end of the day if they do that. The whole reason they want it is a deterrent to Woody's point of like, we're going into the Mad Men narrative again. If, oh, if they get a nuke, then this

mad man is going to put it on a shipping container, and he's going to send it to Cleveland, and then he's going to blow something up in the middle of New York. It's like, no, they want it because they're terrified of being destroyed because Iran, unless they're retarded internally, knows that Israel with US backing cannot be defeated by them. Russia's not gonna step up.

Russia can't even conquer Ukraine, it turns out. Pretty embarrassing. China's not gonna step up. They're trying to fucking make sure the bats are safe to eat. Like they've got plenty of stuff on their plate. So it would just be- Do you think it would be safer if Iran had the nuclear weapons? Iran would be safer if they had nuclear weapons.

That's not my top priority. I think they want it as a deterrent as most countries do. I just wish that I added to my list, North Korea has nuclear weapons. Yeah, and they bombed us all the time. No, they don't. Right? I'm just like, maybe I'm being foolish. My mind is still open, but I'm like, I just don't see people dropping nukes on each other all the time.

And we all know you drop a nuke, like, oh, okay, we're dropping the gloves now. I see, this is a different thing. If any of these countries did nuke America, do you, can you imagine how patriotic and united we would suddenly become? What if we didn't know where to go? What if we didn't know who did it?

We would know, we're keeping close to our own. We would ask the Israelis, they would know. Like you're like, oh, we would know. Like, what if we don't? We would know! What if we mail it to us? Israel put bombs in their pagers and is enacting warfare now internally

with a bunch of embedded agents. We would know. Iran is not strong enough to, Iran is a regional power. You're global. I'll explain to you, Kyle. We have Kristi Noem in charge of Homeland Security. This cosplay chick has her finger on the pulse of everything that's happening.

I'll tell you what I have. We have nuclear sniffing planes doing circles around in the Northeast right now looking for exactly this. It's it's a that is the concern to me. It's a dirty bomb. It's always been a dirty bomb because that a big part of the so a nuclear weapon is a lot of things. We've had those ICBM since the 50s or something like that. We launched them from here and on the other side of the planet. There's a catastrophe that you don't even understand because it's not like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It's going to glass a whole fucking city with these modern hydrogen weapons. We can shoot it from here

and it happens there like half an hour later. That's so much technology that they don't have. Like they've been enriching uranium forever. They have thousands of those underground centrifuges spinning, separating the 238 from the 235. Then they have to make a bomb. Then they have to make the triggering device for the bomb. Then they have to make it small enough to go on a missile. Then they need a missile. I don't think I'm drawing the conclusion that you're guiding me to.

Yeah, I feel like you're making my point. My point is that the missiles that they have, the nukes that they have, aren't the kind where they're going to send it across the borders a thousand kilometers away, because they can't. And they're nowhere near that. So what you're saying is that's why you fear the dirty bomb, because that's more of a,

That's what they can do. That's something more likely to happen in the near term. Because all you need then is the radioactive material and some dynamite. You just, you stick, or ammonium nitrate, a pop, more likely because all you need then is the is the radioactive material and some dynamite you just you stick or ammonium nitrate a pop to aerate it you don't even need that you could if you had a plane you could somehow irradiate sand like i'm always talking about you could use a paramotor and dust them you could it would be a problem that guy would get really snicked yeah i'm not

raising my hand but I could do it. It's like, are you ready to be a suicide bomber? But the kind that like, you know, you're going to be really gross hooking by the time you get to those virgins. I die 18 months from now and it's pretty rough ride. A lot of missing fingers. Yeah. I'm not afraid of Iran at all. I see why Israel wants them destroyed and wants a regime change. I think you are afraid of their defensive capabilities, just not their offensive. Yes, like regionally afraid of their defensive capabilities because they will

just because we lose a lot of Americans in that kind of scenario. This I am a little proud of like Israel technology is American technology, regardless of what your mother says. I think that the you're overlooking the bedazzles The bedazzles are cool and they did that thing with the fuel tanks they did It's just not a thing that we were like, yeah, we have we'll whole fleet of three fuel planes We don't need your big silly fuel tanks But but it seemingly if what Trump says is true we own the airspace over Tehran, which is just a I own the airspace over Tehran, which is just a, I wouldn't have thought that was possible. Those F-35s are seemingly able to just do whatever they want over that country and they

have S-400 defense systems. It's the best defense system in the world that isn't made by us and it's seemingly not working against the F-35. I think that's a great sign. That's even more reassuring over the total global hegemony that we've established. Like there's no reason for us to fear Iran. The only reason for us to get involved at all in this regional Middle Eastern conflict

is if our politicians, the APAC politicians, are leaned on heavy enough to be like, we have to fight for Israel again. And it's like, no, enough, enough. If I could take a step back from the specifics of this conflict, I feel like information about America's offensive forces is getting out there.

And I don't know if that's all good or bad. Like for example, did you say it was the S400? Yeah. Yeah, okay. Now I guess we know that doesn't work against F35s. That wasn't a known thing for sure, maybe. Like it hasn't been tested until just recently. Now we know that.

I watched a video that Kyle recommended. The guy was a Ukrainian UAB manufacturer, like a small one. And he was like, thank you, America. Thank you for sending your Abrams to our front door so that we could inspect them. Now we know their weak points. And where the turbine exhaust is, is so weak. We hit that with a drone and it blows up

like the ammunition inside it. And I was like, oh heck, maybe I kind of wish they didn't know that or maybe it's good that that's out in the air now and it informs our next tank or tank enhancement. I don't know, but I do feel like our secrets are getting out. Well, yeah, I mean the Abrams tanks they have don't even have the good armor. They've got the 1990s Abrams over there. Okay. Yeah, we didn't send them the good stuff. We have depleted uranium armor on our tanks.

So maybe he's not educated. That's gotta be a cancer risk, but maybe inside that thing loaded with depleted uranium bullets and surrounded by the depleted uranium. So I don't know if that impacts the exhaust port on the turret. It has a turbine engine and people didn't know that which is a pretty good power to weight ratio but uh wait what'd you say? And it runs on anything you just like kerosene. Yeah propane, diesel but um yeah so whether it has better armor impacts of the exhaust port or not, I don't know. In Star Wars, I learned that these things are important vulnerabilities. What I remember from being very young and I was at a barn grill. It was late 15 years ago. But yeah, I was probably, you know, 12 or something. Tell me more about your childhood. Well, it lines up because that's when we invaded Iraq in 2003, right?

And so I was 12 and I remember being after a hockey game at like a chicken wing place, we won. And so my dad took me out to get chicken wings and we went there and on TV was like the announcement and like the rollout of fighting in Iraq and the Middle East and everything and talking about like Afghanistan is a threat to in Iraq and this and that. I guess Iraq was first. That case. But and I remember asking my dad and being like, oh, what's going on? Like, how long is this war going to last?

And he was like, oh, few weeks tops. These countries are nothing like we can destroy them at a whim. It's no big deal. 20 years we spent in the Middle East. He was close. Yeah, he was close. In terms of like Jurassic era, you know, and he was close in that span. But like a cosmologist would say he was on the money. Yeah, Neil deGrasse Tyson would say it's a meaningless, or no, Neil Carl Sagan would say it's a meaningless distinction in the realm of time between those two years. And I remember that distinctly and watching like as most of my life since went by where we were there.

And so when I see people say like there's zero chance that we get involved deeper, there's no way, there's no chance. We've gone through this rabbit hole before and it isn't beneficial for Americans and it doesn't benefit us. It doesn't even improve our security. Iran can't do fucking shit to us. We've learned Russia can't even do fucking shit to us unless a nuclear war breaks out. I don't know they can do that. They you know they did a test. I don't know if the Russian nukes were the amount. It's very expensive to keep the nukes working. I think the triggers degrade over time and they have to be maintained

on a very regular basis. It's a chemical process. Probably knows this, but the rocket fuel degrades pretty quickly. Rockets, rockets don't sit around like other kinds of ammunition. And that's sometimes why they fire. I don't know how their ICBMs work. Some of them they use solid fuel and some of them get refueled before they launch.

Like, all right, we're gonna go to war, or fuel up the rockets. I don't know exactly how their ICBMs work as far as that goes, but they also have those ICBMs they're mounted on those track vehicles that you've probably seen that are so hard to deal with. They tried to test one of those a month or two ago and it failed. It didn't work. I don't know that their nuclear nuclear ICBMs even work in Russia.

Wild to me. Like the idea that Russia is a degrading country and like you take out a plane and they're like, yeah, that was our last one. We can't make them anymore. It's like us trying to go to the moon. It's like, we deleted it. Unfortunately, like you were the only one of us that was a real deal adult when we were doing the Iraq Afghanistan thing in the early 2000s. Okay.

Did you or anyone you knew talking about this water cooler talk, did anyone imagine that it would be a 20 year conflict? No, no, no, no, no, no. We all thought we were going to absolutely roll through this. There was a hint of, you know, Russia couldn't do it, but America's not Russia. Yeah, yeah, Afghanistan. In Iraq, I guess we thought we'd do that well. I didn't know how hard it was gonna be to sort of a happy civilian population. We were brainwashed, I'm looking for, into thinking that they would greet us with flowers.

And then when we rolled in there, some of them did. So those images were on TV constantly, literally like Iraqi women with flowers in their hands greeting the liberating US soldiers, thanking them for getting rid of Saddam Hussein. They may have been just, you know, warming up to are their new occupiers and not actually liking us, or they may have actually liked us for a short while, but that changed.

Well, it's the insurgency. We weren't fighting Iraqis 20 years in, we were fighting Syrians, Iranians, Saudi Arabians, everyone throughout the Middle East invaded. That's what Al-Qaeda and ISIS were all about. True, but it was- We meet the Iraqis in a week. You're right, but that kept us there and it cost- I don't know why it kept us there.

We should have been like, all right, fuck it, and left after a year. I don't know why we stayed us there. I we should have. We should have been like, all right, fuck it and left after a year. I don't know why we stayed for another. We're still there. There's 2500 U.S. servicemen in Iraq right now, right now. That doesn't seem like enough. I'm a terrible general. I've learned how bad I am during the Ukraine war.

Is I like don't understand why they're doing things. But 2500 people in Iraq is what 500 fighters? How many of them do you think are like not support? How many I don't even know what they're doing there. Cook, I don't know what they're doing there, but I don't think it's meant to be any sort of fighting force necessarily. They're probably I don't know what they're doing there. Maybe they're operating missile defense systems or something in the desert.

I have no idea what the 2500 Americans in Iraq are doing, but there's 40000 in that region. Like right now, there are 40000 Americans in the region. I saw that little map of all of our bases last night. It's like, my God. My God, really? What I want to see what each one of them looks like. I bet they're all like this is how I manage roadways in civilization.

I just drain my own economy by having roads in every tile. Eventually these roads are gonna pay off, buster. Fuck, I'm broke. Yeah, we shouldn't be in the Middle East. There's nothing for us there. It's always a net negative and it sucks that we're clearly so beholden to Israel as far as we always have to make regional

conflicts into our issue. It sucks. It's not fair. Well, Mossad clearly has the Epstein files. So I think we better hope that Trump is a good boy or we are going to get drug into this thing. I'm looking at these missile strikes right now. It's pretty cool. You sent a couple missile things last night, I believe. And you're right, that one that comes

screaming down at 5,000 miles an hour or whatever, that's crazy. It's a level power that's like, holy shit. Because you see other rockets hitting and it's like, that's what I imagine a rocket to be like. And then this one's like, absurd. It's going so fast. It's you got to keep in mind, it went into space and then turned around, aimed at Israel and then gave it all it had. Is that missile extra hard to intercept? Yeah. It, cause it seems like it seems like its path is very predictable.

So why we can't put something because it is so fast because it is so fast. I and I, I think that they can be stopped. I think they're stopping a lot of them, but they shot a lot of them, too. I think those systems could be overwhelmed when you shoot that many. But they haven't the Salvo seem to be getting smaller. It seemed like the first day the Iranians had the sky full of missiles. And then the next day it was a little less. And then maybe it was yesterday, the day before they were like, only two missiles came. We're not really sure what happened. I'm pretty sure what's happening is Israel is blowing them up on the

launchers in Iran right now. I've seen a bunch of footage of that of like trucks driving It looked like they had it did I don't know if there were missiles on the back of the truck But it was some sort of refueling preparations for a launch kind of shit going on and then everything turned into fire You know, I think that's a big reason that I ran once an off ramp here is because what is it a weekend and once and off ramp here is because what is it a weekend and they already are clearly depleting supply of their rockets or at least it seems that way based on what you're saying and I've seen the I've seen the same like kind of stats of and figures of like the Salvos coming in it's like they went from big boy time to a little trickle. This is what scares me about US military and our manufacturing base,

because it's like what you previously invested is what wins the first month. And then your ability to make more is what wins the war in the end. That's like the World War Two story, the war of attrition. And I'm like, man, can we whip out new ships? I think we can't. Can we whip out tanks off an assembly out new ships? I think we can't. Can we whip out, you know, tanks off an assembly line like that? I think we cannot. So how do we do against a country like China? Even Russia, like, like you can rip on Russia for fucking struggling to get Ukraine.

But I remember two, three years ago now, like people were saying, oh, they're like out of tanks. Oh, they're like out of munitions. They're like out of this. And then a lot of critics of that at the time were like, no, you don't understand. Like Russia is not a service economy like us. Like they're a manufacturing economy.

If there's one thing Russians can do, it can pump out a lot of munitions, a lot of tanks, a lot of these things. And they have, like they still have a lot of all that stuff. And so how are we going to do when our infinitely more sophisticated technology is in need of replenishment? It's probably going to be tough. I'm not sure about the tanks. I'll claim ignorance, but the munitions, they're not making a ton of those. They're making drones. The nature of the war has changed. And if you look at where the deaths come from, like in

the first, I'll make it up year, it was all about artillery fire and now it's all about drones. Yep. We need to have like a hundred incredible drone factories in the U.S. then, because that's clearly where it is in the future. Kyle watched the same video as me, so we probably share a similar opinion with the same sort of it. US drones kind of suck.

They're not doing, they're not the thing they're supposed to be. They're either very expensive and decent. The FPV drones. Cheap garbage, what'd you say? The FPV drones, the attack drones that go in and blow up a single person, definitely behind there. Ours are just way too expensive and not as effective as what they're... the way they're using those DJI drones

dressed up is just better for that. But I don't... when the US goes to war, it's just different. I feel like Ukraine is fighting with like a toolbox that's a quarter full. I don't think they have all the layers of defense and offense that we bring to the table. And they certainly don't think they have all the layers of defense and offense that we bring to the table and the the they certainly don't have Air superiority, you know where that nothing can fly fly around them I've seen the American anti drone tech where it's like a microwave system and they point Into the sky where a bunch of drones are and they all just drop out of the air From you've also seen the tactic where the fiber optic one takes that out and then all the other drums that wouldn't matter for fiber optic.

That I think the microwaves are melting the internals and they talked to it. Okay. That's not what I expected. I just, I see the, I see the point with Ukraine versus Russia, but until I see how our system stand up against that kind of war I don't know as far I I have zero fear of China The China doesn't want to go to war China wants to be an expert superpower. They don't get there by Having half of their population die and a nuclear fire like that's not going to happen. They got that one fucking The damn right one damn. Yeah, which is like dude if I was playing a video game and it was like warning

30% of your population is living under this dam that's easily attacked I'd be like, oh this has to be rectified like this turn like right now They're clearly not doing that. Yeah, there's no shot We can't destroy the three gorgeous dam if we want to actually I was just gonna ask your on that. So you think it's a lock that America could break that if they wanted to? You talk about how the drones work and it's like, hey, 10 drones don't work, send 20. What if you set 20,000? We'd just do that. If we had to send a fleet of stealth shit and they shot down a half of it, it would still be destroyed, you know? And like those ballistic missiles, I don't know what the catch rate is on those.

Even if you have the systems in play, your best anti-aircraft systems in place, I don't know how much of that gets stopped. Our stuff is just better. Our missiles are stealth missiles. You know, we've got those anti-radar missiles that zone in on, they look for radar and go after that. I think our shit is expensive and hard

to replace and then a grinded out kind of war I think there would be supply chain issues but I don't think that's the kind of war we're going to fight I don't think that's the war of that we're going to fight. Yeah one thing we learned in Ukraine is like when the Russians say that their missile goes twice the speed of sound it goes the speed of sound America says their missiles goes twice the speed of sound it triples it like We're lying in different directions. Yeah, which our way of lying a lot smarter so doper. Yeah Over yeah, we we're gonna steal Russia's girlfriend after the war Every time I look at the three gorgeous damn, I'm always like, this is so fucking cool.

It's just so fucking cool. So for a comp, dude, I don't know if you've been to the is it the Liberty Tower? What's the tallest building in New York? That's it. The trade center. The new trades replacement. Yeah, the trade center replacement. Yeah. I don't know if you guys have been to the top of it,

but it has that same sort of like, oh my gosh, humanity has been out here with hammers and nails for 250 years now. It looks like they've been going the whole time. This like New York as a city, and then like how far out it goes and how much and there's Central Park, it is impressive to see. And every other city, like even the big ones

like Philadelphia or Chicago, they're New Yorkish, but only for a few blocks. New York goes on and on and on and on. If you own a 45 story building in New York, you're a fucking nobody. Try to accomplish something with your life, would you? 45 stories, are you even trying, you loser? Like you're not remarkable in this area.

You're so lucky that they decided to build the world finance capital in like a really little area. That was so that now they have to be like, I guess fucking buildings got to get dope. Like they just got to get taller and taller and taller. It is so cool. Does China have like 15 New York, New York city sized cities. If not more. Yeah. Whenever I watch a video showing Chinese,

whenever I watch a video showing what it's like to live in China, it's, it looks like they're in not just 20 years from the future, but a better future than we're actually headed to. They're not just 20 years in the future. They're in a, they're 20 years in a future and a better reality. I saw this black guy and he's in Chinese, like, Hey, excuse me. And he's speaking Chinese to the guys. I understand you have the new palm reading system. Oh yes. Yes. Yes. Could I try it? And they're like, yeah. He puts his palm up to a machine. It's just sitting there. It scans his palm. All right. You're entered now. And then now he can pay with his palm anywhere. It scans the biometrics, you know, the, the,rics, the pattern of your palm.

Everyone has a different wrinkle pattern or whatever. It happened in the course of five minutes. Oh my God, of course. I just learned this right now and I'm not stoked on it. The One World Trade Center, New York City, seventh tallest building in the world, 1,776 feet, baby. Right, that's no big deal.

1,776 feet, sick. China has the Shanghai Tower, 2,073 feet. Not a fan of that. The Burj Khalifa, of course, is doing its own thing. It's 500 feet taller than the next tallest, but those guys are just burning money for the sake of it. And so China can't have a taller building than us. I'm sorry. We can't.

We got to we got to build a bigger building. Should we strike their towers? No, you win by going bigger. We should be the first three thousand foot building. I mean, there's more than one way to win. We get we get about it. We'd also get that. Yeah, I want a bigger tower. I want the biggest. And we'll put it in.

We'll put it in like Cincinnati so it looks even bigger. Put it in Lincoln, Nebraska. The Omaha Mammoth is what we'll call it. Everything else is four stories. We need an alliteration. Like, I don't know, the Tennessee Tower. Tallahassee, we'll put it there. The Tallahassee Tower immediately sinks

into the mud in the book. Ah, well, it's still pretty big. You know? You're off by accident. I watched the thing about the bunker underneath the White House. I may have talked about this before, but like during the Obama administration,

there was this mysterious construction going on in the backyard and they kept asking the White House press secretary, Hey, what's going on over there? They're like, Oh, they're putting in a new up a like a Rose garden with some putting green and a black poles. And no, it went, the construction went on for four years. There was this white rectangular building. There was a white rectangular building that covered the area. They're tunneling underneath it, creating a vast tunnel bunker system

underneath the white house that took four years to dig. I'd love to know what that is. What it looks like. You know, Trump's down there. It's pretty nice. I'd love to know what that is, what it looks like. You know Trump's down there, it's pretty nice. He gets to see it, he shouldn't get to see that. That's where I'm jealous of Trump, when he gets to see shit like that. You know, he's like got some fancy fucking black card,

he swipes on a digital biometric fucking thing. That's not biometrics, it probably scans his fucking neck thing on a pad and gets access. His gizm. I want to know about aliens. If I'm president, I quickly ask, like, okay, tell me all the secrets about the aliens. Are they real? Is anything going on? I want to know. For sure. I'd be like, guys, you got to tell me because I got a

Rogan appearance next week and I want to blow some minds. That would suck though if they were like no literally no evidence at all. We got nothing. If I were if I were Trump or JD Vance or someone that that is both in the administration and gets to do Rogan I would just lie. I mean like you know what Joe I'm gonna level with you they told me they'd kill me if I told you this but I feel like if I tell you and your audience they can't. There are alien spacecraft, there are. We captured them and just break it down. There are three different species. There are two good ones and one evil one.

And we've partnered with the other two to take on the Galactic Empire, ran by Xeno. It turns out, yes, the Scientologists were right this whole time. Tom Cruise is on the front lines of this fight. That's why Mission Impossible was delayed. He actually took out a Galactic Cruiser last week. I'm voting for you, I want this to happen. That's why Mission Impossible was delayed. He actually took out a Galactic Cruiser last week. I'm voting for you. I want this to happen. Once Trump makes you not a felon anymore,

I'm voting for you. You can be a felon and be a president, clearly. Kyle, how many felon accounts do you have? Two? You're 32, guy. Well, two, but there were like 16. I'll write you in in 2028 just to get the ball rolling. What a pretty good ratio. All right, let's do that. Winner time. PKN, 565.