Painkiller Already - PKN 613

Episode Date: May 21, 2026

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PKN 613. How are you, boys? Pretty good. Great. Yeah. I was talking hockey right before the show with Zach. And Kyle's eyes, you know, I can read Kyle's eyes so well because we've done this for so long. Kyle gives like just got bad news at the doctor's office eyes every time I bring up hockey at all. You know what you should do?

Bring up hockey. I should bring a hockey again. He was like game one in the Western Conference Finals. And I'm like, is this more basketball? No. But it's your favorite team from a few years ago, the Colorado Avalanche. Yeah, there's still a big team. I got all that merch.

You got all the merch. You know multiple players. It's not just McKinnon. I knew there was a Mick. I thought it was McDavid, though. Nope, that's on the Oilers. And he's out again. So he'll be leaving for a different market.

But I'm all in this postseason on Woody's remaining squad, the Hurricanes. Yes. All in. Have they played it? No, no, no, because the HABs just won, the Montreal Canadians. And so they're not, the hurricanes have just been resting up waiting. The hurricanes have played eight games. They have eight wins. What city are they from? Raleigh.

Yeah, see, right there. And they play Thursday. And so we'll be able to track that while we're doing the show. And just all three of the other teams, I don't want to win it all. And the hurricanes are like, they're fresh. They're fun. I, as a blues fan, they're in the East Conference. I have nothing even conceivable against the hurricanes as a team.

It's like, you know, they got Brindamore. They had a bunch of cool guys for a long time. Brindamore is amazing. They've had the same coached for a long time. How long has he been coach? Is it a decade? Probably close to it because they've been scratching like the, the cup for a while now. For whatever Raleigh's hockey community might be, they love Brindamore.

Brenda Moore is like, well, one, he's a successful coach. The hurricanes almost always make the playoffs. And more often than not, they're in the conversation for winning at all. Not that they're favorites necessarily, but like they're in the conversation. This year, they're not favorites. Colorado is the favorite, but just by a scratch. Like the hurricanes are almost, they're right there. They're right there.

And more than that, dude like coaches youth hockey around here. All the kids' moms say he's so. friendly and nice. The Raleigh subreddit talks about how our community is lucky to have this guy. He didn't want to come to Raleigh. He liked it in Philly and Philly loved him and it was a trade that Philly fans regretted and that Brindamore at the time regretted. But shucks, that was as a player.

That must have been 20 years ago, something like that. He's happy here, it seems, and they're happy with him. He's awesome. How can Raleigh support a professional team? Their team's excellent. It's a really good organization. That's not what I asked. Take the same team and put them in fucking like small town like Alaska and

they'd be the same group of hockey players. I'm asking about Raleigh. How can Raleigh support a professional team? I thought Raleigh had a lot of people. The metro area has a lot of people, right? It does. Yeah. It's like the Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill.

I think what Kyle's saying is, why is Raleigh have a successful team when Atlanta didn't have enough fans to support a team. Exactly. Six times the population, at least. Even if you took every black out of our city. I was going to say, probably all white people.

We have more white people than Raleigh, though. That makes a big difference in our league. There are more white people in Atlanta than there are people in Raleigh. You guys had to look at it through that lens. Yeah. Oh, you know, another thing, Raleigh, this area, Raleigh, Carrey, Durham, Chapel Hill is loaded. with transplants.

They carry somewhere else with that. Carry the team that's the city that's next to Raleigh, they say it stands for concentrated area of relocated Yankees. That's our, and Raleigh, like, I'm not from Raleigh, right? Like, there are tons of people who move from the Northeast to here. I think of it is like a miniature New England when it comes to the sports love of basketball.

I've got those like multiple, like basketball, in college. Like, Duke and all those. and all that stuff going on, all those rivalries. I get that. I just don't know how y'all get a professional hockey team. That's good, apparently, with half the population. Well, it's because, like, Woody's point about transplants is huge.

Because, you know, if you live in Montreal, like, they have so many fans that they make rules of, like, oh, if you're from Toronto, you get to the back of the line. If there's an extra ticket, there won't be. You can buy it. In Raleigh's one of those markets where if they're playing the Bruins, you're going to see a lot. lot of Bruins jerseys there because there's a lot of people from Boston. That's, uh, Taylor's 100% right. That violates my personal sense of right and wrong. That's why I root for the local team.

I feel like every team deserves to be cheered at home. It's like a morality play. To go and root against your home team. I'm not for that. But, uh, but he's still right. They're, you know,

and I'm a little more interested if they play the Flyers, you know, I've seen, I've caught a few Flyers games here. I cheer for the hurricanes, but I look at the boys. I looked up the attendance. So you guys average 18,000 fans and attendance per game.

The Thrasher's back in 01 or whatever it was. The initial season was 17,000. So right there, neck and neck. But then it petered down to like 13,000. So there's your answer. Those 5,000 fans, I guess, are the difference between having a team and not. Yeah.

And it's fun to watch for it. You might have more fans if your team won more. Yeah. Maybe we just got lucky with the ownership. Yeah. Yeah. Atlanta had a team. their expansion rules were literally like, all right, the other 29 teams, like, send your worst player to Atlanta.

You know, put them in Southwest coach and send them to Atlanta. And then they had to field the team like that. And that's why the only players you know are Hosa and Kovilchuk, because all the other players on Atlanta were thankful as fuck to be there, but they just didn't have the skill. And the reason they were thankful is they were like, oh, my God, if I were still in. St. Louis, Chicago, Toronto, L.A. I'd be a first liner on the AHL, minor league team. At least I'm in the show here. But that doesn't quite cut it.

But I'm pulling for Carolina. I hope they win. I do think it's funny that I think Carolina is going to destroy the HABs in this series. Like they're just a better team. They're riding Frederick Anderson, their goalie really hard, who has a crazy high, like 95% save percentage, which you're going to have to anticipate that dropping off a little bit unless he's going on like an otherworldly run through this playoffs.

But it's funny that for everyone unbelievably excited Carolina Hurricanes fan, there will be, if they make it to the cup finals, there will be 40, like borderline suicidal Quebecwa. Like up there just because there, you know, That's all they have. That's all. They don't even have the Expos anymore. They're a huge underdog.

Yeah. I mean, the HABs are a good team. Plus 700. Yeah, they're not nearly as good as the Cains, but they're still solid. It's not like the, I bet the avalanche are favored by Moore over Vegas would be my guess because I, I hope the average is plus 600. Okay. But yeah, I really want to see them when, more than anything, I want to see Vegas lose. and I wouldn't be upset if the abs won again,

but it's time for new blood. Let's get the hurricanes in there. That'd be fun. So I'm going to be watching game one, I think, of the Western Conference Finals tonight, abs versus Golden Knights, and I hope the abs put up fucking six on them. I hope it's demoralizing.

Fuck them. Vegas hasn't been around long enough to win a Stanley Cup. It's not fair. Do they have a cup or just a few showings? They won like a second or third year, right? I think they won. They like this year.

Made it their second or third year. They lost them. Thank God. I think I remember that. I remember thinking like, this is so cool. They're brand new and they're right into your championship. What I thought was cool was they made it to the finals, like almost seemingly right away. And then they up to the production value.

They're doing light shows on the ice. They're bringing their Las Vegas like showmanship to the. NHL. And it was like, you know what? This could be good for everyone. Like I had never seen the light shows where like it looks 3D down there. Like, you know, I've seen light shine on the ground, obviously. But it was like moving images and it like puzzle pieces breaking apart, shattering to where you like think something broke. But it's just, you know, lights and lasers. It's cool. I like that about them. Like that has nothing to do with my dislike of Vegas. It's just it's just the. It's just the. It's just the. vast success. Yeah. What I liked about that is I was like, oh, man, does this mean that like, you know, whoever, the Philadelphia Flyers are going to start getting light shows? Is this the new standard?

I hope so. Yeah. It just happened too soon. Their win happened too soon after the Blues in 2019 or after the Blues one, it was like, yes, 1965 to 2019. The Blues made the playoffs from 19, or from 1970. to 2004, no wins. Just hellish.

People, like, lived and died. Wild. The blues are rough. They're in that spot right now. Like the Sixers, where they're too successful to get new draft picks and not successful enough

to threaten for a cup. I was watching a couple of games this year. After the trade deadline, I was like, yes, the blues are like the worst team in the league. This is wonderful. They go on like an 11-game win streak to where I'm watching.

And I'm like, come on, don't win this one in OT too. Fuck, fuck! Why? Dude, the hoping your team lose stuff and the NBA was so bad. Like now the bottom four teams and I think it's called purgatory where your lottery picks are worse, at least your odds in the lottery are worse if you're the worst four teams because people were trying to be that bad.

And they're like, you got to try to win. People compete to be one of those bubble teams though that are they've won more. They're not in the bottom four, but they're in the bottom eight or whatever the number is. but then that ninth best team they get really shit on they've got even worse odds that they've got almost as bad of odds as the bottom four so are there people who are like right in that like bubble there trying to we win two more and oh no no no we lose two more shit i added that wrong like is that going on the concept is still right it's actually getting voted on this off season but it's predicted to pass so to say what's going on i don't know the concept is right but you got a little wrong with ninth place now through seven, the bottom four teams that kind of make the playoffs and are a play in. Okay? So you play one game to see if you make the playoffs, kind of.

And there's a theory that people will want to tank that game because your reward for making it is getting your ass kicked by the number one team this year. And your reward for missing it is a really good draft pick. Has that ever happened? Has that like wild card team essentially ever beaten the number? number one seed? I don't know, right? I'm not sure. I feel like what has,

there are very few teams who've come back from 3-0 or 3-1, like in all the playoff history. But an 8 beating a 1, that happens. I want to say Miami did it last year or the year before. Okay. That's always fun. As long as it's not my team getting upset,

as long as it's not the 8th place, San Jose Sharks, in 1999 with Scott Shields, defeating the number one president's trophy winner, St. Louis Blues, as I sat, Indian style, and from my grandma's boob tube glass screen TV, watching them like turning back at my dad,

like, but we're, how can this happen? He's like, that's why to play the game, son. I'm glad to play the game. Yeah. Dude, I know no one cares about basketball. It's super quick. This year, the Western Conference

has two amazing teams. Oklahoma was at, Actually, like the betting odds on them having the best record in the history of basketball were better than even. Like I think the best record now is the like some old Bulls team with Jordan on it. And they weren't just like, you know, hey, two to one that they're the best team to have ever lived. It was like, yeah, if you want 80 bucks, you've got about about 100. Like their favorite, it was wild. They didn't break the record.

They got like 72 wins out of 82, something like that. That's still crazy. Yeah, they're still really good. And I lost my... Oh, oh, but the second best team in the West just happens to be good at beating the first best team in the West. I think they had six meetings and they won five. Spurs?

Something like that. Yeah. And so now they're meeting and everyone's excited. When Bignana, this new generational talent, right? Then they call them the alien because no one's ever been this tall while being athletic before. He's a freak. Yeah, he even looks a little weird. He's getting stronger every year.

So when I was watching him as a prospect, like a draft prospect, he was so skinny. I thought he would be bad. I'm the worst GM in the world. He turns out to be amazing. And he's tough. He's like elbowing people in the neck, which I don't love, but I kind of liked it. He was like, he was fighting for a rebound. He hits some guy.

Nas Reid, Nas Reid looks like a football player. And Wembe's got that dog in him. that he's like trying to fist fight when he won't win. Anyway. I saw it, man. I saw it. Let the boys play. Come on.

To wrap this up, the Spurs, I guess you'd say the underdogs, won in double overtime in a very close game last night. And it's living up to the hype so far in the basketball world's excited about good ball happening right now. When Mianama's on the Spurs? Yes, he's on the Spurs, yeah. So people were excited when he got to the Spurs because they're known for like Duncan Robinson, David Robinson and Duncan, I'm fucking up the names, but they've had these great draft picks before that they turned into like, you know, some of the best players who have ever played. And they're like, oh my God, they're going to do it again.

If there's a team you could put Wemignano on to set them up for success, it'd probably be them. and they got him. So it looks like it's working. His body type doesn't look durable. I don't know shit. I don't know anything about the sport, but I know that people have those lower body injuries a lot of times. And he looks,

he looks like if you like slid into him like soccer style, you just break him in half. He looks so. I wish I could see him in real life because like maybe. Can you find a picture of when bignana looking strong like flexing or something? like it is something flattering because he's a little stronger than you might guess.

Oh, I'm sure he's just by looking at the length of him from a distance. He looks like a guy whose wrists, like that diameter extends all the way up through his bicep. But if you catch him like, er,

you're like, oh shit, man's been in the gym. Like he's, oh, this is him as a prospect, isn't it? Am I crazy?

I mean, that's still very, he still looks better here than I, than he does. made your imagination somehow. And it's not like he's, it's not a lack of effort in the gym that I don't think Kyle's referring to

that makes him fragile. It's just like you can only be so durable at seven foot six or whatever. Like there's a limit. I don't know. I just like you like more leverage could get applied against his long, like shins and forearms it seems like.

And more more like torque could be applied to his joints if he's locked up with somebody or something is kind of what I'm thinking. could come down funny on an ankle. Right? I agree with everything you're saying. Oh, Zach said that's the NBA draft. I think he's a little stronger looking now than he was in those pictures. And just the work is like he's putting work in or putting steroids in or something

because he's at more muscle on his frame than I thought he would get. He's not. I hate it when professional athletes don't know how to flex. Nick Diaz is, or Nate Diaz is my number one target on that. That guy can't flex at all. Like Nate would kick my ass. but I can make a better bicep post.

These days, these, well, all right, Nate might kick your ass, but might. Yeah, might. Yeah,

might. But like, man, Nate looked bad. They, Nate looked bad. I called that whole card. I was sitting there

with my girlfriend watching the card. I looked like MMA guru. All right? I was like, this is going to end round one real quick. This guy shouldn't even be in there.

It's Jr. Dos Santos. Wap, Wop, Jr's down. Oh, yeah, he did go down.

Yeah, I just knew it. I got's way too old to be in there. I hope they paid him well. They didn't. They paid him to less. He can't even buy a new car with that. $70,000 to get like a lamb to slaughter.

See, this lady's been training for a year, and this other one's been on Ozempic. It's Rhonda Rousey versus Gina Carrano. So you have literally a tough girl who was pretty at the like, what am I call stage two of women's MMA? Like right after the yoga instructors, but way before the college athletes versus an Olympic judo master

who is known for ending bitches in 20, 30, 45 seconds in the first round in championship fights. Granted, not the Amanda Nunez's of the world, but still, competent lady fighters of their day. So, of course, I was like, she's probably going to judo throw this lady over her hip. It's going to look pretty cool. And then she's going to break her arm,

if that lady's not smart enough to immediately Oh, she tapped already. She was looking at her phone. I was like, it's over. I forget how long the fight was, but 17 seconds plus minus two, something like that. Yeah.

Same thing. I was like, that white dude looks big, huh? She's like, yeah, this is going to be. I was like, oh, never mind. I was like, see this guy, he weighs 50 fucking pounds more than the white guy. The white guy couldn't cut it in the UFC, and the UFC couldn't afford.

the black guy. That's the difference in competition we've got here. A guy that UFC doesn't want versus a guy that UFC can't afford. That's who's fighting right now. And 50 pounds of difference. A guy who doesn't even belong in the heavyweight division. And of course, white dude took his legs. Like, I was surprised those little like dirty rabbit punches didn't knock him out. But he was there for a paycheck. And then, and then Herb Dean is like, kill him. Go ahead. He's out. Kill him. Herb in the fight. He's too like, on the floor, unconscious is. fuck. It was

the whole arena was empty. Like the whole arena was empty. I don't know how many people were in attendance. Thrasher's game would have blown them out of the water. I guarantee. No way they had 13,000 people in that giant arena. If you looked at it, you could see like dots, you know, around

illuminator around the stadium. Those are empty seats. Those are the bottoms of seats. It was his company, right? Am I right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wonder if he lost money. Hard to say, because I don't know what Netflix paid them, but you would imagine that missing out on, I don't know, $10 million worth of an attendance money is a bit of a problem. But seeing what they paid them, they paid Ronda like 2.1, they paid Gino like 1.1.

Maybe Roni got 2.4, Gina got 1.1. And then it was like Francis got like one, one and a half or something. The guy he destroyed got 100K. Francis felt so bad he gave him his performance bonus. like did you get Gina Carrano claimed I might be true

lost a hundred pounds for that fight yeah yeah yeah when I heard that she lost 100 pounds I was like yes

every insult I threw it that fat bitch was right that fucking well land based manity

was out there trying to act like you could be an actress show the picture over now. She's done more acting that she has done fighting in her life. She's a better actress than I bet she's a fighter. But what you're what happened was, so

we're in a complete agreement that she was too heavy in the second season of the Mandalorian to play the badass Starfighter she was. She had like a cumberbund on. But she wasn't 140 pounds there. What happened was after she got canceled by Disney and fired and everything, she ballooned up. Because I saw

her on a podcast and it's like, Oh, oh, that's too, yeah, yeah, that's 225 or something. Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah. I saw her looking way worse than that, way worse than that. Like, maybe it was just the angle, but there she is at like 220 pounds or so. And then I saw the recent picture, and that picture on the right is not a woman who's about to win a fight. Yeah, that's what they look.

I'm guessing fake boobs because she's all boob, really. She's always been all boobs. You go back to the, when early stuff, there's that famous picture of her with like a six-pack. And instead of like athletic gear, she's just wearing panties and a bra at the way in. And it's like, that's what she looks like. She's got hooters. Well, they're not necessarily new fake boobs. I don't think of, they could be extents from them.

I don't know if they don't look fake. Well, poor thing puts all her body fat into her boobs first. a lot of girls do a true queen you thank the Lord for that yeah she's like her cuts down to 7% body fat and she still has giant boobs

hell yeah nice Rhonda whooped her ass of course I the timing of that card was perfect we were going back and forth between that and a movie and I kept hitting it just right

I'd hit the Netflix button press play and it would be like Ingano And I'm like, and nailed it again. Like, I never missed anything, and I saw everything. And I was not impressed. It was, it was, I guess the Nate Diaz fight was fine. But before it, I was like, he's going to bleed so much.

It's going to be ridiculous. This is, here's a guy that UFC doesn't want anymore who was never athletic and always overrated, just because he beat up a Connor McGregor that weighed 30 pounds less normally versus, a bad motherfucker who just was the bare knuckle fighting champion like last year or something like that like platinum Mike Perry

is a bad motherfucker and he was throwing some fun stuff to watch he was able to get creative on Nate Diaz he was throwing these nice uppercuts that were all landing these vicious over the top like sort of like nine to nine to five what are you want to call

like top left corner to bottom right corner fucking elbows that were just slashing he had cuts all in his hair not on his hair line in his scalp he scalped Nate Dia blood no that's legal

yeah there is a fighter from Boston specialized in it Kenny something I forget his name dude I Lauren did you see Nate Diaz's interview afterwards I didn't see it I read it um they were calling for him to retire

and he's like retire man, I just fought the most violent man in the world. Maybe next time, second most violent man in the world. I don't know. Like Harry's such a good guy, too, in the post fight. He's like, you know, he was hitting me with some jabs and stuff,

and we run it back. I'll take the money, but it's going to be the same thing, man. You saw what happened. It's like, I'm not trying to rub it in, but I could have murdered that man, clearly. He was dying of blood loss. out there by the end of the second. It looked like he allowed him

to make it to the third round. Obviously, he quit on the stool. Did you see the rumors that he shit himself? No, I didn't. What do you think of them? It's hard to tell. I was watching MMA guru's live coverage and he's like, is that poop?

Is that poop on the chair? And it was like, he's bleeding so much, I can't tell, but it might be poop on the chair. I can't tell. And the internet was saying that Nate lost by like, well, failed sphincter or something like that. For fight fans,

fighters used to take diuretics to help them make weight and the UFC banned it, but this isn't the UFC, so maybe. I don't know if those will make you shit. I know they make you pee. I took like an over-the-counter. It's like some sort of seed or some sort of tea

or something I was drinking, a diuretic. It didn't give me diarrhea. Or like a laxative, maybe. Dandelion. Oh, you're taking laxed. That's crazy. Dandelion. Yeah, yeah, Dandelion. I was drinking so much dandelion tea.

Yeah, it was just like ringing me out. I don't understand why these guys are so bad at weight cutting and I'm so good at it. Clearly, I should have been a professional athlete. Every time I hear, they come out and they lie. That's what you should learn from this. I'm the last person to inflate my own like physical talents when it comes to seeing professional athletes on TV because I still believe that these are supermen that have trained their whole life to do a single thing. and yet

Kamzat's weight cut apparently was only 13 pounds the week of dude I cut that in a day and I didn't feel like shit I was on the treadmill like pumping it out and laughing and sending you guys selfies and stuff like it was fun like I was actively running around

and doing physical stuff to burn more like 13 doesn't seem like a lot for a guy's biggest hip I weighed less and cut more and felt fine I don't understand how he supposedly like diminish to the point of just not being able to cut it. It doesn't know. Lozahn would share your opinion, Joe Lozahn.

He would like, you know, partner like get engaged with other professional fighters. He was talking to me about it. And he's like, I'm shocked that they don't know how to weight cut properly. Like these guys are taken in salt like shortly before their weight cut. That was a thing that blew his mind. He's like a lot of them were working really hard during the weight cut when the meta has shifted to like sanas and bathtubs and stuff like that. They coat themselves with a vino.

I don't know this product, but I guess it opens your pores and makes you sweat. I probably mispronounced it. And other people just don't seem to know that like, like you're busting your ass on a treadmill or an air dine, you know, the bicycle with your hands, trying to sweat everything out in a like sweat,

uh, Sweatoot made of rubber. Meanwhile, Joe's in a bathtub with a cream on them, just sweating just as much. I was going back and forth. I would get on the elliptical, full sweats, maybe double sweats, hood up and everything. And I turned my house temperature way up, like 80 maybe, like in the summer. It was May or June or something. And like, that's summer in Atlanta. Yeah.

Yeah. It really is. And then just like lightly on the elliptical until I felt a little, ooh, getting a little lightheaded here. I'm pushing it too hard and then strip everything off, cool off a little, and then right into a hot bath until that felt a little weird. And then into the cool air to let my core temperature come down and not die. And then repeat and did that all day.

Just did that from 8 a.m. until I passed out halfway between my couch and bed. I could have passed out if I'd push myself too hard, but I could feel it coming on whenever I was like, pushing ourselves too much. We're getting a little overheating. It's overheating. I felt like my brain was getting too hot from just being bottled up

and doing all that physical activity and then into 104 degree bath and all that. But the weight just drips off. I don't understand it. You're a professional athlete. You're on my TV. Figure it out. Well, maybe you can join.

Like, do they have like a, the equivalent of like a PGA seniors tour? Um, I'm not, see. The people are people. terrible idea. The other 40-year-old players are terrifying human beings. They just got to feed up the 25-year-olds. How much time do you need before you fight, like, Tank Abbott?

How old is 60? I'll be honest. Tank is really old. Oh, maybe I'm wrong. I wouldn't be afraid to fight Tank Abbott the same way I would be afraid to find Chuck Liddell. Chuck Liddell. Oh, I'd fight Chuck Lidell.

I'd fight Chuck Liddle. Really? Yeah. Oh, not me. I fear that he'd be very durable. And I think that if I saw like his fists in person, I'd be like, oh, right, that makes sense. Yeah. I saw them in person. I got a picture with them at that event a couple years ago.

And I was like, I can see how he knocks people out with these. Yeah. It's a lot bigger than my fist. When the last time he knocked somebody out, fucking 2007? I remember him talking about knocking out Tito Ortiz. And he's like, I'm not trying to knock anyone out. I'm just trying to land clean shots and then it happens. And it was like, oh, that's interesting.

He doesn't like go for the killer. And if you watch, a lot of his not guys, it is bundles of fight. Punches, bunches of punches, you were saying. One of the most diminished athletes I can think of. Like, obviously, like, like Tita would murder me, like do anything he wanted to me, like a toy. But when I watched that last Chuck Liddell fight, he looked like an amateur. Like, like not just the, his hands. but his feet against Tito like everything like like his stance his speed he seemed awkward he

seemed like he couldn't get a shot off and when he did it was these slow motion shit I think he'd look a lot better if he was fighting me oh he definitely look a lot better me and him I'll tell you this though I would talk Chuck Liddell up at like the SATs I got him got him there dude you give you put a Sudoku in front of me and wonderful that guy I think I'm smoking him how long you got six months to train you have to beat

Mirko Crow Cop oh my god are you saying I'm just picking UFC guys over 50 if you gave me a time machine or if you gave me a machine that took me to like a bubble of time where I was allowed to train for a hundred years and improve over the next hundred years

hundred years and then I came out of that bubble of dilated time space right back here Mirko's the same him from the day but I just spent a hundred years he will kick me in the fucking head and give me brain damage that's what would happen that was one of the first like big fighting compilations I remember from like 2006 YouTube and it was just him head kicking people the I'd never seen someone so quickly like throw like a faint of a jab and then like it was as if he had all the time in the world to cue up this kick and like you can see the slow it's like it was like a car accident what happened to their faces just yeah that's not the kind of guy chuck chuck looks slow and not dangerous

slow chuck chuck would probably still beat me because i don't know how to fight but like he just doesn't like an athlete i bet if i had to compete against him in like a field day i could beat him. Like if we had the lewd like the fucking, that thing where you carry an egg on a spoon, we had to do the sack race, right? I'm not even kidding. We do the egg on the spoon. We do a sack race.

We do like five, five or six things like that. I whoopped Chuck Liddell's ass. Yeah, Crow Cup, the one you picked, like, that guy was known for devastating leg kicks. And he had the flexibility that most fighters don't. He could easily do head kicks. Like, it wasn't even

a challenge. Daniel Cormier, Cormier, he doesn't do leg kick so much, right? He's not that guy. And I forget what they were asking him, like, you know, how it goes or like what question prompted the quote, but it was like, what's going to happen? He's like, oh, left leg, hospital, right leg, cemetery. He's like, oh, shit. It's one of the better.

He's not known for like crafty interviews or anything. And I remember, like, you'd see him in his like extra short pants and it'd be like, Like he needs that flexibility, that extra little bit because he's going to throw that thing six foot two to his opponents. Which by the way, Chuck Liddell, I see on his profile because I still haven't pulled up, he claimed six two. I stood next to him and I was like as tall as that guy. Yeah. And so. I thought you were six two.

No, Kyle's six two. I'm six foot. Okay. So I think he maybe old age pushed him down a little bit. but I was, I expected him to be taller than me and he really was. And then in that picture, Harley is like standing on a downslope. Because he's trying to tell him. Harley didn't tower over anyone when normally says.

I dug a small hole for him to get in. He's probably, he, I bet he gave a little bow to his knees, a little bow. Maybe a wide stance. A respectful dip. He's doing a sumo squat stance right there with us. Yeah. I don't know about that card. It was, uh, it was fine.

I'm so glad I didn't pay anything for it. I wouldn't have to begin with, but if you had paid $50 to that card, you'd be disappointed because it was it was exactly what I said. A bunch of lambs being led to the slaughter. Maybe it was MMA guru or someone. They were like, sometimes you've got a

A side of the card and a B side of the card. We had a lot of A's versus C's. And I was like, yeah, that's exactly what you had. You had A's versus C's. Like throw John Jones in there and we got a fight. but Francis Inganu versus a light, heavyweight, white dude who can't cut it in the major, in the majors is not a real fight.

John Jones, we're all on steroids. All those people look like they were on steroids. Yeah? Like everybody was in the best shape of their careers. Gina had. Nate? Yeah, that was the best Nate I've ever seen physically. He had abs.

He looked strong. He's 40. You know, he had abs and looked great. Francis is 39. branch is 39 and looked like a fucking girl seems racist can't say that

but I see what you're going for he looked like a gorilla it's fine because if you would say like orangutan now you're making them sound like dumpy he looked like silverback vibes less race I don't know

no no that's that no no it's not better I'm trying to be better if you're being weird about it you mean in the strength thing. You don't mean that he's sitting there eating bamboo all day. Yeah, he's built like a gorilla. He's so enormous, so thick and so wide. Now it sounds gay. So girthy, vainy too. Yeah. I thought it was probably a business failure. But good for Jake Paul putting the thing on and putting on a show. His girlfriend was half the show. He had like this little VIP box he was sitting in. like comodus and uh and he had his

Olympian girlfriend there with him and like the camera'd get on them and they like do a little dance. I'm like get Jake Paul off my screen. I'll need him there. She's a, she's a smoke show though. I'm uh doing some research. Holy smokes. Yeah she's she's an Olympic athlete. She's a bad motherfucker. Is she a skater? Skater or skier. It was it's winter.

She has some sort of outfit on that looks like she goes fast. Oh yeah. Yeah. So not like a figure skater. That's that. Oh, yeah. That's the booty sport too. It is.

It's a big booty sport. You got to have powerful glutes. There aren't any like flat-ass Asian chicks in speed skating. No, you need haunches. I met Jake Paul's manager. Like he works for Mr. Huss now. And he had nothing but good things to say about Jake Paul.

That apparently all family is really sweet. I don't know. Always felt about Loged Paul. I got to meet him for a couple days. And it was like, man, this guy's so nice and considerate and, like, worried about me and like, hey, everything going okay. And like, complimentary. Like, he was, I couldn't have asked for a nicer person to me. But I feel the same way about Dan Bals area.

Like, couldn't have been nicer to me. Y'all said all that stuff. I didn't see any of that. He's pretty chilled me. He's running for office right now. That's so funny. Did you see? He's like, we need to push back against Israel.

That's why I'm running for a governorship. And it's like, what do you think governors do, brother? Is that what he's running for? I thought it was a governor where it's not even a federal position. Right. I think he's in like seventh place or something. Like he's not a threat to win. The big race, though, is Thomas Massey today.

Today is his race. We find out, and he's neck and neck with the other guy. With the APEC guy? of course the APEC guy Is it? Yeah Yeah Of course Of course

That's why they're funding so hard against Massey Is he's He bucks the Israel stuff And so they're pushing all the The money towards the APEC I went into the R conservative Subreda I know you're a mod there Taylor

And there was an article I don't even go there I bet those guys are gay as fuck No they're pretty chill Like that's what I was gonna say Like there was an article there That was like super anti-Massie It was worded

like like i'd prefer messy to win foolish massy to be sent out and like like old yellow his his his traitorous ways and then like every comment responding to that article was like what a biased way to name an article we need more guys like thomas massy who'll stand up to this bullshit we need fiscal conservatives

that's what i'm here for like every comment was like yeah i'm a massey guy like fuck those people we need i'm kind of a massey guy He probably doesn't vote the way I want him to on 90% of issues. But what I like is that he seems to vote his conscience and have the, I don't know, like, pure motives. Whereas a lot of politicians are voting whatever for their donors, for themselves, you know, like I saw some guy talking about Trump. They're like, Trump's top four priorities are Trump, Trump, Trump, and his kids. And I'm like, yeah, that sounds right.

Israel should be on the mix there. is Zionists don't. I agree with you on Massey. Like the it takes balls as an American politician to like buck the Zionist dollars, A-PAC, the Israel lobby. They're enormously powerful. And Epstein stuff. Yeah. There's nobody doing it. And he is. And so it's like, all right, well, hope he doesn't lose. The whole party was not the whole party. All but like six Republicans voted to protect pedophiles and keep the Epstein files a secret. But Massey didn't. Massey was, you know, stood on his morgue. morals. If he's, if he loses, that's going to be pretty gay. It's going to show that like, you know, Israel's on a role just to remove anyone. Because Trump hates Massey because Massey exposed the Epstein files. He like led that effort. And now Trump is rude and is trying to make him lose. And Trump keeps winning in these Republican primaries. So we'll see how today goes. Trump is a winner. I've always said, I remember when he won, I nailed it. I nailed it. I'd love for Zach to make a montage of me being right about what Trump was going to do. And, and, uh,

And like leading up to it, I remember being like they need to get him. They should not be putting Trump in a court. If he wins, he's going to be a demon. He is going to be so petty. He is going to do that. And sure enough, he won. He's getting all those judges in, not just the Supreme Court, but all those smaller district judges that are going the way he wants them to go.

He's won. If he were a younger man, he would do a third term. I just, the only thing, I don't think it's his sense of right and wrong, his respect for whatever amendment limited it to two terms 20 something or whatever it's not that it's just he's

swollen hands all the time covered in makeup swollen ankles always going to like the hospital he's been to the hospital more this year than I've been in the last five it's crazy well you're also

you know you're 40 he's 102 exactly if he were 40 cognitive tests every couple months normally oh he brags about No one. Dude, Woody, he weighs one 99 and a half. And he's same dimensions his body.

That'd be funny if he like, he forces the doctor to release like fake like NFL combine numbers on it. 24 reps. Nine and a half your chance span. That happened. It might have been his first term, but like his height and weight matched gronks. You know,

the tight end for the Patriots in later Tampa Bay. No. I thought Granc was like 6-6. His body fat percentage, like the ratio, the way it worked out, he was like an athlete. Is he 6-6-4? I thought Grank was like gigantic. Maybe I'm wrong. 6-6.

Yeah. I don't know the trunk plain to be 6-6, so maybe it's wrong. I think it was the body-fac percentage. Like when you, yeah, it was, it came to like 10 or 11 or something like that, like some crazy lean, like professional athlete body fat percentage when he's clearly a doughy fuck at best he's more than doughy man yeah all i see him is sitting down now he's always behind a desk well not always but i see that a lot that's a tactical gut hide yeah yeah and uh he also taught it seems like every time he gives an interview most every time it's in front of jet engines and he has like 30 seconds to talk

and when he has a presentation, he's sitting down behind a desk. Both of those are tactical. So the massy thing's done, but I don't see anybody saying who won. Done? The voting stopped. I think the voting is over because it's got... Is Kentucky Central Time or the Eastern Time? I don't know.

Eastern. One of the two. Okay. Well, then it's like almost seven. West Kentucky's in the Central Times zone, though. Oh, is it? Oh, they split it? Yeah.

That would make sense. We touch Kentucky and we're central. Yeah. So they'll close at 7, which... Oh, it says begin to close. Okay. Not closed. Yeah, we'll see what happens.

That's going to be a bit of a bellwether, I think, for what's to come. He's losing, but... Oh, okay. 3.7 of the votes are in... 3.7% of the votes are in. But he's losing by 11%, but that might not mean anything. Yeah. Oh. That could flip. But it just goes to show you you buck the Israel lobby. You don't want to carry water for them. They come after you. I hear you. I think you're underestimating Trump's endorsement. He's been on a role in these Republican primaries.

I think. But I the like you have to look at like the ferocity that Trump goes after these guys. Like there's a bunch of other like Massey probably votes with the conservative agenda more than like least. Markowski, Susan Collins, that guy Thune, who's either in your state or maybe Tillis is the one in your state. There are a lot of them that that buck him on Trump's agenda on a lot of things. But the common, all those guys

go to bat for Israel. The common denominator is the Israel shit. Like Massey's the only one who's like, no, I don't want your money. I don't want any foreign interference. The common denominator is retirement. Why would you go after Tillis? He's not running again.

Like that's when they all discover their soul. Did he really say he's not doing it? Not doing it? Oh, yeah. You're going to do a truck last late where they go. I probably won't run again. Actually, I'm a sprightly 94. I'm going to do it.

I don't think it's like that. I think Tillis is a full-on lock that he's not going to run for Senate again. Okay. Maybe I'm thinking of Foon, but it's just lots of those Republicans push back against Trump more than Massey has. it's just massy pushes back on the Israel thing and that's Trump's core you know

all of his donors are hardcore Zionists like all of his remaining supporters like are pro-Israel seemingly like he's lost everybody who was in it for deportations you know voter ID no new wars like that ship is fucking sailed we know we see what he's going to do he's going to blow

Israel I'm happy with the deportations I think a lot of people are I would be happy if they were actually happening at serious numbers but they're not I think they're happening at serious numbers. Why aren't they bragging about it and posting it? It's not a good look to brag about your concentration camps. It's a very good look to brag about how many people you're deporting.

Because that's what America wants. The majority of people want that. I mean, if you phrased it correctly, they do, I guess. Yeah, they wanted to. Most people didn't like the way he was doing it. Certainly when citizens were getting shot, like people didn't like that. And, you know, there are riots in the streets. It looked a little Gestapo.

The funding in it was off the charts. Nothing's changed. They just shot a guy the other day. They shot a guy through a door killed it. Either the press coverage has lightened up on it or I'm just too into video games. I'm sure it's a mix of both, but they've just slowed down on it. Like he's even said, like, we're not going after the people. in farming. We're not going after the agriculture. We're not going after the, the, the factories and

manufacturers. We're going after just the, just the criminals. Yeah, he did. And like, that's why they were talking about it's going to be millions. It's going to be millions. And then it's a couple hundred thousand in the first year. Maybe a couple hundred thousand this year. Just a pittance. Nothing. People want mass deportations. And I like, like, the way they were doing it was like potentially the easiest way ever where they're like, just show up and we will buy you a ticket to whatever country you say you're from. They just show up and the buy you a ticket. I'm thinking back to in Chicago.

There was a building. They went in there at 2 a.m. They literally took everyone out of that building and zip tied them, making them sit on the curb in a Chicago winter, separating kids from parents, not letting people get dressed before they go outside. And I forget how many people were in the building. I really don't remember if it was like 37 or 137. But I know that the amount that got deported was two.

Two. Everyone else in that building was a citizen. And they just fucking cleared it all out and had them sit there in the Chicago snow, undressed, zip tide. Those are all citizens. Like that is not the way that you do deportation. What is the way you would do it? Because they get blocked constantly. Like they try and deport people out of their beds.

It was 2 a.m. Like what would like if you had your druthers and you were in charge of deportations and you know there's tens of millions of these people. We wouldn't be on the same page. I would focus much more on recruiting immigrants like a sports team. You know, what does America need right now? Right now unemployment's not doing like new jobs creation is bad. So I'd have a really, really limited in like immigration program. But if the economy was hotter, you'd be like, what do we need here?

We need some farm hands. We need some construction guys. We need some software engineers. Like what do we need? What do we got? like a sports team. That was another way he sucked is like part of what got him elected with dudes under 40

was like reduction in H1Bs. Like I know people who work in tech and H1Bs have devastated their careers and their ability to like start larger families than they want like that they wanted and they can no longer afford and then he goes out and he's like we're increasing it. We're increasing

H1B, just a bitch. Israel's bitch all around. Sick of him. But he's surrounded himself with tech pros and he's a very easy to influence president. I think his entire internal cadre is like it's either tech people who love their slaves for the H-1B system or it's just neocons who are like, oh yeah, we'll get to, well, that thing that got you elected, the deportations, we'll get to that after Israel's next shipment.

We'll get to that after the state. The number one issue he got elected on was the economy. I mean, people had fond memories of the good part of his economy in his term, and they completely forgave him for the COVID years, which fine. And they wanted that to replay. They wanted low inflation. They wanted booming economy. And all his moves hike inflation and hurt the economy. And all of it, it's just been, we've just been on a crazy march downward since COVID. So like it's been a six year march downward for the middle and working class, for middle and working class Americans. And all of these large manufacturing firms, all of these big capital

firms, they love illegal immigration. They love legal immigration. They love not having to pay Americans. And that infuriates young men who are trying to start a life and start families and buy houses. And that's why he's lost so much support with them because he's doing nothing. What does he need support for? How is support useful to him? I mean to pass his agenda but now he doesn't have it now his agenda that he's trying to get through Congress right now his agenda is just giving as much as he wants to to Israel and doing his agenda is written enriching himself yeah like Trump's top three barters are Trump Trump and Trump and if you look at it through that lens he's killing it Trump is enriching himself he just got another 1.7 billion I think from the taxpayers for that like

He made it a funny. Yeah, yeah. He made it a funny. He's like Cindy Crosby with his 87. $1.776 billion in a slush fund that he can do anything he wants with. And I think a lot of it's going to end up in his own pocket. That's what he typically does. And then he'll dish out some rest of the allies because that's how dictators keep themselves in power.

And it's just robbing taxpayers. Yep. And anyone who thought he'd do anything differently, was a fool. Well, he did say he would do things differently and the alternative was voting for the for the retarded. Hold on. The alternative was voting for the retarded lady who was going to let 10 million more illegals into the country. Well, that was not her platform. But it wasn't Biden either. But anyone who voted for Biden who thought he wasn't immediately going to move people around the country using taxpayer funds is a fool. Move people around the country? They made a federal app to make it

easier to avoid ports of entry so that then a million people could get it. They did. I don't know about it. And 10 million, 10 million people came in. And then they used federal funds, taxpayer money, way, way more than 1.7 billion, by the way, tens of billions to fly people around the country. Many of these people are dependents. They pay for their health care. They subsidize their housing. They pay for their schooling. They use our infrastructure. All their social programs are paid for by us. Like, not our wonderful infrastructure. Well, you know, it's taxed even heavier. And taxed, I mean, like, the use case of it, not like...

I think he's doing great. It's important actions. I think Obama's numbers were greatly inflated by them counting, you know, turning people around at the border. I bet if you compared, like, Obama's, go out and snatch them and get them and get them home. Numbers to Trump's, they pale in comparison. He's getting like $450,000 a year or something like that. I know that's not what you want, but he's getting $450,000. 50,000 a year. He'll get about like,

is that number right? So he'll get 10 to 30 last year. It's projected for 60 this year, 4.50 a year. So like 10 to 13% of what Biden let in, he'll get out. I mean, that number is, look, I'm not going to argue with that number, but it's not based on any facts. You just see the border crossing numbers. It's like 9 million or so.

The border patrol. They counted each one as they walk fast. That's not their job. Yeah, they count how many illegal entries there are. And then there are law fair firms. I just don't, I'm not saying it wasn't 10 million. I'm just, but that's an estimate. That's our estimate.

I mean, you can look at the numbers of how many illegal crossings there were. I'm going to see if I think is a number of 10 million. There was a chart from the Center for Immigration Services and Immigration Studies, Immigration Services, and there was one from Border Patrol and other Border Crossing's agencies. It was a crisis that the media denied at the time. And that's what got Trump elected because, dude, the Texas tried to put barriers up on their southern border near the Rio Grande. And Biden's, because it was such a crisis, Biden's feds said, no, you can't do that. And he sent National Guard to remove the barriers.

Like they did everything to incentivize illegal immigration because it has. helps them like poorly. Yeah. It was crazy. And that's not arguing that that under the Biden administration, it seemed like they really didn't have a handle at all on illegal immigration. They clearly didn't. But it was on purpose. And so like 10 million seems to be the number of encounters. And one and a half to two million is they gotaways. But I'm still looking into it. I'll have to find it because it's it's an amount that's absurd. And there was nothing to tell people. such a problem that that really was like the total fumbling seemingly intentionally of the border crisis under Biden or rather the unelected bureaucrats running the country while he was you know

having ice cream and falling off bikes like that there was no indication that Harris wasn't going to do similar shit. The Pew Research Center says there's 14 million in America the idea that oh and I can even look at the start of his term it was 10 so maybe four million. got in over his years? I don't think that passes muster because they were saying there were 11 million

illegals in like 2003. Okay. Some of them died. So my reason one is the center for migration studies. I don't know. The other is Pew Research.

What would they know about it, Woody? Well, here's the thing. If I hear of an organization whose name is right on the nose that I've never heard of, I worry their bias. Like, you know,

this is the center for, H-1B looking into's and I'm like you're a little on the nodes for this I've never heard of you but I'm worried but the other one few research I mean they their reputation is their business

you know so yeah it sounds like you let 4 million illegal people which is a crime against your fellow Americans if you ask me it's it's akin to treason if you let 4 million people invade the country but I don't think it's

10 million and it looks like Trump is going to get almost 2 million out in his second term. Seems pretty good to me. Two million out? Yeah. But it was like, wasn't it like 300 and something thousand the first year? No, it was 430,000. So if that continues, it would be like 1.6?

Well, it didn't continue. So the first year it was 440,000. And this year it's on track to exceed 460. It makes sense that it would get better because, A lot of the funding for ice happened in that first year. So they probably weren't firing on all eight cylinders. They got an army, a literal army. I hope it does accelerate.

That would be great, but I don't have faith in him. His priorities are like a million a year, but like I wouldn't be surprised in his fourth year. If he keeps us up, if he gets well over half a million, we'll see. I mean, again, I'm very happy with the immigration stuff. I think that he's done as well as he could, especially when you talk, like, they handled it so poorly in, in Minnesota in some of those places when things went bonkers and those people died with all that public backlash. And they're still going. They didn't like just stop. They just put a better face on things. Didn't Trump right after that kind of renege on a lot of it and say we're not going to go at we're just focusing on the criminals now.

No. We're going up. Yeah, he did have a public statement. First of all. We're not going after the manufacturer. I was good at say. Now I agree with both of you because I do think he said something like that. But what Trump says and what's true are rarely related. Yeah. When it's the, you see his borders are, that guy foams the mouth to catch some illegals. He's all about it.

They couldn't have. I'm not saying that's a good guy. I don't know if I'd want that guy at my church picnic. But God damn, if he's not like all about his job. He lives for it. Does that hold him to Stephen Miller off of TV? That motherfucker was losing, I know you're talking about. But Stephen Miller was on like doing the cable news, sir.

it foaming at the mouth looking like a fucking nazi every time he's on the tv the way he talked about greenland you know just we're going to go in there take it over like would you militarily it's like doesn't even take a military we'll just roll in there and call it ours if you can't protect yourself you're not a country yet and it like that fucker is i mean yeah true-ish if your country is an asshole and you're not worried about your international reputation yeah It's like There's the reason we're fucking up in the straight of Hormuz and it's because we have no friends

because we threatened all our friends for the year ahead of that. I think the reason they're fucking... Now we're isolated. Hormuz is kind of goes back to what Kyle was saying of. It's not the 1400s. If Iran couldn't protect themselves, then we would have taken it immediately.

They remain sovereign in that area strictly because they can protect themselves. I'm told their entire Air Force and Navy is gone. We've defeated them so many times, but it's like multiplying by a negative, right? Maybe we've defeated them an odd number of times, which means we haven't defeated them at all. It's like drug prices down by 2,000 percent. I'm like, are you sure that's right? Yeah, and then they'll like, they'll show something and it's like, oh, you were talking about one specific drug, not drug prices.

No, that doesn't help. I'm talking about the idea of drug prices going down more than 100%. That's my frustration. Yeah. They questioned like Stuttering John or I mean, RFK about that in the

in Congress and he was like Mr. John has a different sort of math system. Oh, really? What is he a fucking ancient Greek?

He came up with something new. A new sort of math system. And it's like, no, that's not how fucking math works, you imbecile. How did he make it this far? They pay you now.

That's what they mean. Yeah, a new sort of math like a like a sort of new Isaac Newton style math or a new like Helen Keller style math where she's in. She can't get the nine right. And so it's kind of becoming its own number. Looks like a tadpole. She's just not not doing it right. No. I saw like a YouTuber made like a long video going after Helen Keller the other day.

And I scanned the comments looking for some people that mentioned you didn't see a single one. I was disappointed. I was like, my boy, like, he forged this bridge and, and here you are just, just taking the scraps. But he broke it down about the miracle worker. I stormed that beach. Yeah. And I took flack from you. I took flag from all the good people.

I think you're mostly right. I just think that clearly she was, she was, so the issue is, and the propaganda comes in, is like, no other deaf and blind person has, ever done the things that she did. And so to me, it's like those ancient feats of strength. Did you ever see that show? It might have been on History Channel where they had like Brian Shaw and all the top world strongest men.

And they would do a historical, almost like a fable or a like a, not a fairy tale, but like a fabled or mythical feet of strength. They're like, uh, it turns out in eight, and during the

during the Revolutionary War, there was this black soldier, and he picked up a cannon and carried it from the battlefield, so it wouldn't be captured. Probably civil war. And they're like, well, what did that cannon way? No, they're like, boy, I'll go get that cannon. And they're like, what is the

cannon wearing? They're like 700 pounds. And Brian Shaw's like, well, no. So we've got a much, much smaller cannon here. And they struggled with that. And it's like, all right, well, if Ryan Shaw can barely do this, there's no way that guy did that. And it really puts it in perspective when you take a modern guy with all the

advantages he has and he can't accomplish the feat of some random guy from, you know, it makes me want to do the thing where I change it until it could be true. Like maybe it was a smaller canon. Maybe he single-handed. That's what they do. The canon, you know, to somewhere else. And but sometimes these stories, you know, just never happened. Yeah.

And sometimes it's like us taking. wartime propaganda seriously from back then where they're like hey you know pass it down the line that we've got guys strong enough to carry 700 pound cannons let the brits chew on that for a bit and then it becomes like fact over time because there's a lot of misinformation in war was the trojan horse totally true today they really gifted a big wooden horse with people we're not and they're like i think great i'll take it it was a real war like that uh that's the debated. I don't think it's necessarily 100% known whether Troy even existed or any of that happened.

I mean, the story is full of goddesses and magic. I'm just saying it's a little bit like Ragnar Lothbrook, the famed Viking. You're like, oh, well, he really did invade England in the years. It was a real city. It was in Northwestern. But who's to say that's the Troy? from his story. You're always harping on about how the Israel from the Bible length of Israel lived today. You know what I mean? It could have been two places. That's true. Like,

well, I mean, Israel back then wasn't a physical place. It was a, it was a nation of people, the nation of Israel. Where did they exist? Oh, I've never heard nation referring to as a collection of people. And nationals of the nation of Islam. A land. No, I got no, the traditional use of the word nation is to refer to a group of people. We just use it, you know, synonymously with states or country now. So there's been nomadic nations too who just, like, I don't know, the nation of some tribal Indian or whatever just moves. Yeah, like the, the Cherokee nation. There wasn't a, you know, specific line all the time, but it was a nation of people that would be nomadic to an extent. I have used that way, but not commonly. I usually think of nation as a,

government and a local you know borders and stuff like that sure but yeah maybe Cherokee was a bad example I don't know but the point was like nation traditionally meant a group of people with like even if it did culture shared history there was no trojan horse um there probably the horse part was probably made up yeah they would have seen them the white elephant right it was that true did they really give elephants to oh I think countries as a gift just to burden them with the maintenance of these things. Yeah, I think that was a much more recent and historical, like fact, the white elephant, whereas Homer's Odyssey, I'm not even sure if Homer was a real person. I don't think they're sure that Homer was real. That's all. He's got a family, works in a nuclear power plant. Yeah. Not that one.

All right. I wrote a epic poem. People are loving it. Yeah, there's no way There's no way they'd fall for a trojan course Like a real one Like you'd be like, oh, what's that? I don't know. Wait, yeah,

I hear something. Still until night torch. Why does this horse pee? There's a lot of like fumbling and people dropping swords. It's like bringing it in. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not buying it.

I'm not buying it. Maybe you're more educated on it, But I thought it was pretty well established that that battle, that war happened and that the Trojan horse was a bit of a fabrication. Well, I mean, the whole story, like I said, it's filled with gods and gods. The main characters are Achilles and Odysseus who are like friends with gods or like Achilles was dipped in a magical river by his mother. It's a fictionalization of a historical event. Okay. Well, it's just hard to tell when the fictionalization ends and any history begins.

I do remember they discovered a site like like of ruins and they were trying to say like this is this we we believe this may be homer's ancient Troy. I was like are you sure? Are you sure it's just not some other like wall wall city from from thousands of years ago? Yeah I'm not I'm not buying that one. I don't know it's cooler to believe it's pretty cool it's pretty neat one that's why I believe in Paul Bunyan. But I do think that you're, they don't know anything about Homer's life specifically because he was from, I think it was like the eighth century BC. Like he, like when Rome was, I was like, this better be followed by Springfield. He was from Springfield. And it's still unknown what state it was. Even after all these years,

They still now have mountains, oceans, rivers, and are landlocked. You guys ready to wrap? I'm hungry. I'm hungry, too. All right. P.K.N. 613, Trojan horse.