Pappy's Flatshare - Ep 1526: Micky Overman

Episode Date: July 29, 2025

We're back in your ear and eye canals with special guest Micky Overman. We're hiking, we're sliding, and what's Micky's beef with what we're up to in hot tubs?Obviously, there's only one place we should send you to find more Micky Overman content - www.mickyoverman.com/To get episodes early and ad-free - PLUS a bonus episode every week - join our Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/pappysflatshareTo watch full episodes of Pappy’s Flatshare find us on YouTube: www.youtube.com/@pappysflatshareAnd follow us onInstagram: instagram.com/pappyscomedyTikTok: www.tiktok.com/@pappysflatshareFacebook: www.facebook.com/PappysFlatshare/And X: twitter.com/pappystweet Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hey guys, just to say in this recording we discussed Felix Baumgartner, the guy who jumped out of space. Here since we recorded this, passed away tragically in a paragliding accident. So rest in peace Felix Baumgartner. Enjoy the episode. Greetings listener dear, I'm Tom. I'm Ben. And I am Matthew and welcome to a very exciting guest episode of Pappi's Flat Share. You know what I just said before we pressed record? You said we're doing the intro for Mickey Overman's episode and I said great guest. Great guest. Great guest. Mickey was a fantastic

guest. Oh, he's a fantastic guest as you're going to find out. Brilliant. We had such a good time chatting to Mickey. I'd not met her before. I know. No, me neither. It was one of those ones I was very kind of starstruck. Were you? Yeah, I was. I only know her from online and I think she's absolutely fantastic. So I was quite like, oh, check her out. She's in my house.

www.mikkioverman.com. You'll find all of her tour dates there. And she's on tour. Clarky's absolutely overruled by Miki's website. Absolutely. I only know from online. I've only been to the.com. Didn't realize there was a person. I mean, if you like the website,

you'll love the person behind it. No, Miki's absolutely brilliant. Follow her on Instagram and TikTok. And of course, go and see her on tour. Absolutely wonderful. We had such a lovely time chatting to her. And if you'd like to support this podcast, if you'd like to help your boys on their journey to meet some of their heroes, heroes with websites, that's our current tour at the moment, guests of people whose websites we love. On the journey to meet their heroes and meet the financial demands of their lives.

Ah, that's also true. Yes. Yeah. Help us in both of those ventures. Patreon.com forward slash Pappies Flat Share. We would love to see you there. Oh, there is a little bit of business. Oh, okay. There's a little bit of business about the... There's always a little bit of business. There's always a little bit of business. The cheerful, airful date that we gave you is not till October. The cheerful,

airful date has had to be moved. What? Why? Yeah, I know. It was going to be, well, I can tell you why. Which unreliable member of Pappy's could that have possibly happened for? I know what you're all thinking but it isn't what you're all thinking. No, no, no, it's a rare Crosby snafu. It's a rare Crosby diary error in that I put it in the diary. Yep that's great 19th, 19th and then my wife and I said, when should we go away on holiday? 18th? And we booked a holiday. We booked a holiday on

the 18th. And it was only as I was sort of telling my parents the dates for childcare reasons that I went, Oh, dear, I've made a mistake. But Wondering. I mean, you rang me to tell me and I was just delighted. Yeah, well, I rang you both. This couldn't go on a WhatsApp message, you know. It made my day.

Thrilled, because normally when I get a phone call as well, it's normally like, where are you? So, to find out, oh, absolutely dreamy. I was kicking my legs. And as we all know, one Crosby snafu buys me and Clarkie 20 snafus That's the exchange rate. I've put them all in my diary. Can I tell you now you're still hugely in debt to me then Even on a ratio of one to twenty, I think I could live a thousand lifetimes. We've never addressed the balance live a thousand lifetimes and we've never redressed the balance.

But yeah, my apologies. I totally, totally messed up. So sorry if you booked tickets to the 19th, we've moved it to the 14th now. It's still going to be our Halloween special. It's still going to be at the Bedford and a great, it's going to be the whole night. We're going to do a, we're not just going to do an hour this time. We're going to do the whole night. Like it's a normal flat share slam down. So we, we would love to see you there, but huge, huge apologies for messing that up.

There'll also be a couple of September dates, 22nd and 23rd. Mark them in your diary. I know I certainly have, but we haven't put the guests yet. We haven't put them on sale yet, but as soon as we do, we will tell you. But yeah, get those in the diary. 22nd, 23rd of September and 14th of October. See you there. But don't worry, it's still going to be fancy dress.

It's still going to be Halloween fancy dress for all you listeners. On the 14th of October, yeah, it's Halloween fancy dress. It's a Halloween special. We're going to make it very, very spooky. Don't you worry about that. It's even spookier than you think. I don't know why I said that.

I tell you what, it's a good catchphrase there, guys. Yeah, I know. It's a good catchphrase. It's even spookier than you think. How spookier do you think it is? Go three or four spookier than that. I'll go with like, a date change has made it spookier, but I couldn't quite decide why. Anyway, the good news is it's even spookier than you think,

so get along to that. Otherwise, let's get into this episode. Do you think Mickey Overman was overawed by us? Do you think she was starstruck by meeting us? Let's meet star of MickeyOverman.com. It's Mickey Overman. Pappy's Flat Share Talking about whatever. Pappy's Flat Share We've been doing this forever.. Happy's Flat Share. Talking about whatever. Happy's Flat Share.

Have we been doing this forever? Happy's Flat Share. But we don't really live together. Happy's Flat Share. Yeah. I thought I'd done like the equivalent of like Frodo in the ring. Like that's what it felt like.

And then it was only a kilometer. Cards on the table, If someone said go, yeah. Yeah. I'm about to say to you the closest to it. It's quite exciting. Like if you just tell someone go in and see what they do. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That's the show. That's the show. The show is called go. Series one would be great. I used to go guys. Yeah. And then people are going to prepare and that takes it all of it, all the fun out of it.

Yeah. And then you'd have like people chatting about what would you do if you met the go man? If you met the go man. To be fair, I think this would make a really good like social media series. Like you're on the street. You're on the street. You know, go. Yeah.

No, because the number of people who would step into incoming traffic and you'd be like, ah, yeah, I didn't mean to go that way mate. Look two ways first and then go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what a lesson. What a lesson. You thought it was going to be like a really fun series, but actually it turned into just like really meaningful, like educational series for the kids. Yeah. What's that? Is it View From A Bridge where people are giving their thoughts about life

on a bridge? Yes. It's that, but people are saying jump. No one has jumped on view from a bridge. I don't think so. No, they just talk. I feel like if someone started threatening to jump, they'd stop the filming, right? Yeah. This is what we were after. This is what we hoped for.

Imagine if they have so much stuff that they haven't published. There's actually so many people have jumped, and then they've just only done the people that haven't. There's like, this might be before your time, but do you remember the Traces of Death VHSs that people used to talk about? Oh, yeah.

Which was basically like lots of people who were like, it was a VHS that got passed around of like, here's this guy getting hit by a train. It was awful. It was just awful. It was like a big sort of snuff thing. But you feel like you from a bridge have probably got a trace of death in that locker.

Totally. Wait, there was tapes being passed around with just like tragedies on them. Yeah, in the 80s. Well it was that and Pamela Anderson's Barbed wire. Honeymoon videotape. Oh that one too. Honeymoon? Yeah. with just like tragedies on them. Yeah, in the 80s. Well, it was that and Pamela Anderson's Barbro. Honeymoon videotape.

Oh, that one too. Honeymoon? Yeah. It was, wasn't it? It was at the honeymoon. What the? That's so sweet. I liked to put the romantic spin on it.

They were on the honeymoon when they... Yeah, yeah, maybe you did. I only heard about the sex tape. I didn't know that it was the honeymoon. I think it was their honeymoon sex tape. Wow. Oh, bless her. Good for you, Pam.

Yeah. Yeah. And also, I like that someone's like spicing up their honeymoon. Well, the version I got was just they had a nice meal. I know they admire the view. It was lovely actually. You didn't get the right one. I got the wrong one. Yeah. Scammed. Yeah, I know. They met each other's parents. It was lovely. It was really nice. It was really romantic time. Are you married now? Yes. That's what did it. Yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tom had the worst honeymoon ever. He met his wife's parents. What?

That's what he did. I know, you're thinking of... That's his idea of a lovely honeymoon. We met each other's parents. All right. I couldn't wait for the wedding to be over to get away from everybody's parents. Wait, is this true?

You met the parents? No, no. Oh, okay, okay, got it. We did previously. On honeymoon, have you honeymooned? Oh, I've honeymooned. Have you honeymooned? I have not honeymooned.

You haven't honeymooned. I haven't honeymooned. Okay. You have to hold off telling people you're honeymooning too much. I think you get like once a day. Yeah. Oh.

You get to go like, it's a honeymoon. But if you're doing that, like every shop you go into, you feel like you're going to get. Should we do it in the shops? No. Yeah. Going sports direct. And, uh, we are on honeymoon. It was a great honeymoon.

What's it's all sports. Tom, you old romantic, you staycation, you holiday in Britain. Buy you a giant mug. I, it holiday in Britain. We'll go to the sports diary. I'll buy you a giant mug. You're married, right? It sounds lovely. It sounds really good, Tom. So my question was going to be about this jumping off a bridge thing.

Okay, great. I think- I've never gone through a site. Well, no, no, no, no, it's not suicide. It's the opposite of that. Like, I feel like I'm supposed to know. I'm jumping upwards into the sky. I feel like, I feel like you're supposed to have a good

read on what you can jump before it's bad. Yes. But I'm not sure I've got that. I know exactly what you're talking about. Okay. I want to test this. You stick me on a bridge. Like, I fancy my chances into the Thames, for example.

From what bridge? Any of them. Bring them on, yeah. I fancy my chances. Waterloo, I reckon I'm okay. I feel like the Thames, they're normally about the same height, aren't they? Tower Bridge when it's up. Obviously when you're in it's problematic.

Yeah, I think that's the real problem. In the middle. So you're saying the bit where you're falling through the air is fine. It's the hit in the water. It's the problem. Yeah, but even like, even onto ground, when you go like, at what point are your ankles gonna go? Yeah, but in the ground, you can do the like, roll technique. Here we go. You know what I mean?

You can't do that on water. Yes, that's true. But what's the highest you've, like, do you fan, do you know what I mean? Do you fan the chance? I've jumped pretty high. I should be dead, like, I think sometimes. What's your bit, what, what? Well, I just? Do you find the chance? I've jumped pretty high. Yeah. I should be dead. Like I think sometimes. What's your bit?

What, what? Well, I just, I went like cliff jumping. Here we go. Yes. Again, this was when I was living in Canada. What a place. And I went cliff jumping and the adrenaline of it had hit me to a point where I absolutely started doing jumps that I had no business doing. But there were just people who were doing these mad jumps.

So like you could keep on, there was this one. She did multiple jumps. Cause I think if I've jumped one cliff, that's me done. I started low. So it was like, you know, there was sort of a rock and I, I couldn't believe I'd done that one. But then just the, the water was freezing cause it came from the mountains and it was just, I was so adrenaline up that there was one where you could hike up and then keep

hiking. How long are you hiking for? You were hiking for like, like a bit, like 20 minutes maybe? No, no, no, no, no. I find- I find around. Around. Sure.

But by that point, I started losing, my adrenaline was going down. Yeah, I know. I started- You keep slapping yourself around the face to keep it up. I started really doubting whether this was a good idea. And then I got to the place and I looked out and I went, no. And then, but there were two other people there.

And I was like, I can't, I can't, I can't not. To save face. You don't save face with strangers. It was, it was bonkers. So, and, and then the stranger was there said to me, you have to aim slightly right. Yeah. If you're guys, I, I sometimes think about it and I get like this sort of, I can't believe I did it.

But so yes. I'm confused by right and my left so much. If someone's giving me directions and they're behind me and we're walking down a corridor and they go, it's the door on the left. I go, I can say, wait, you can jump out the window. Imagine if you're the person at the top. I bet I can make this.

You're the person up going, so aim to your right. Oh, me left! Guys, I wish I could show you it from above. It was so high. The pool was like a tiny circle, like where you could jump. She said, you have to jump right, because on the left there are rocks. And I did it.

And to this day, I'm like, I just, and my friends who were there were like, I can't believe you've done that. So when you hit, like, what's going through your head? A lot of water. On your knees. But like when you're hitting the water, what does it feel like?

Are you just like, oh shit, oh shit, oh shit, oh shit, oh shit all the way down and then? I think like as I jumped, I could tell I jumped right. So I was like, you know, as I was like coming down, I was like, yeah, I was like, yeah, I was loving it. Like I could tell I was hitting the water right. It was all like, it was, I mean, it was like incredible feeling because it once, because the adrenaline had dipped.

Yeah. And then I made myself do something that I was so scared to do that. I mean, I felt on an absolute high. I've never felt higher in my life and I have never done drugs. I've never felt higher in my life and I have never done drugs. Do you remember Felix Baumgartner who jumped from like, he jumped out of a spaceship to the ground. That's from the moon. That is the moon. What?

Yeah. Look, he's gone. It was probably in about 2012, 2013. He jumped out of a spaceship. I don't understand. I know. No one understood. He was on like the periphery of the atmosphere, wasn't he?

Yeah. So... What was he aiming for? The Earth. It's the only thing you can aim for when you jump. They said as he left, just aim right. Where he went. Yeah. Aim right, otherwise you're gonna hit Venus.

Just... What did he land on? The Earth. He did it. But like what? He was in the desert wasn't he? He parachuted into the desert. He parachuted onto a big, one of those big cushions.

It's like a bouncy castle. Yeah, like a bouncy castle cushion. No way. He did. He hit it from space. He hit it from space. So they went, that was the ultimate aim right, because they were like, that thing down there. Although I assume if they saw him going, they just moved the cushion.

Yeah, but it'd be like, Phoenix would be sitting on a light. It'd be like 500 miles that way. Like clowns in a circus. By the way, he's coming from space. Felix L. Gardner. Actually, this does sound mad, but it did happen. And it was such a big bit big news. Everyone was following it.

I've never heard about it. It was a big, it was huge. I'm telling you that. I was making my own jump at that time. You were on your hike. You passed him on the way down. In fact, he really made me feel like an asshole. I was like, well, this will barely anything if I...

Classic one-upmanship. Yeah. Then he went, I don't want my honeymoon. You married him on the way down. Oh, classic Baumgartner. Yeah. Whatever. Like, no one's done it before.

No one's done it since. That's the mad thing as well. No one had heard of him. Just one day, it's like, oh, by the way, everybody's going to go and watch Felix Baumgartner jump out of the sky. How'd he get on the spaceship? It was like a hot air balloon type thing, wasn't it?

That's so different. No, that's not as mad as well. It was a hot air balloon that went all the way into space. It looked like a shuttle. It looked like, you know, kind of how they, I think they... You said like five different things. A capsule. There we go. It was like a you know, kind of how they, they, I think they... You said like five different things. A capsule. It was like a hot air balloon.

It looked like a capsule. It was a shuttle. Was that there with Phileas Fogg? It's fair enough to say we don't know the answer to that bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think so too. We've not been really rowing in on the... It was a capsule on a hot air balloon that went right up to the peripheries of the atmosphere yeah and then this dude came out of the capsule and he had like a

spacesuit on yeah yeah so he looked like a spaceman yeah you'd have to you'd have to then he hopped off you simply have to wear... You must. You must. Darling, darling, you must wear a space suit. Go to space. Oh, you must. Do me a favour. You must. Wear a space suit. You must.

Where you go for your honeymoon. The edge of the atmosphere. You must. You must. Or also tell them on the way up. Did you have any words? I've never heard of this. It's like, what is he doing now?

Great question. That was it. Surely on. He was a one-hit wonder. now? Great question. That was it. Surely on. He was a one hit wonder. He was a big flash in the pan. Wow. At least celebrity traitors, come on. Surely he's going to be doing something like that.

He's got to be arriving. He's got to be on the after dinner circuit. Arriving at the Big Brother house. He has to be. The only way he knows how. Also like, what a, what a swing, you know, to be like, this is the one thing I'm going to be known for, for the rest of my life.

Yeah. But also, surely it's pretty, like he came from there, right? Surely. What are you saying? He's coming from there. He's coming from the edge of the atmosphere. Yeah. Let's go.

So let's go. What do you want to give him? Eight kilometres. If someone's going to eight kilometres, you can go 8.2. Yeah, like why does it, why does he want to do it? I think he started, I think it was like at the point, the only point where, No.

Is it like highest point where he'd start He wouldn't start floating around. No, no, no, no, no. He must have been like practice jumping. He felt, his first practice. His first jump. Oh yeah, to be fair, he was, he was, he was attaching a front of someone else. His first jump was outside of the atmosphere. He was on a. Oh yeah. To be fair, he was, he was, he was in the front of someone else.

His first jump was outside of the atmosphere. He was on a stand jump. I think he, we've got, he went up, there were two other people behind him and he was like, I've got to jump. The really upsetting thing is he was on a bungee. Have you ever bungee jumped? No. No.

I've bungee jumped. Have you? No, I, I, and I, this is my regret. I went, I went to the gym and I was like, I'm going Have you ever bungee jumped? No. No. I've bungee jumped. Have you? No, and this is my regret. I went- It's not too late.

Thank you. Well, I think it is actually. I went once, I was in South Africa and there was this big canyon and it was like one of the biggest jumps in the world or whatever. That's where I think I bungee'd. Did you? Yes, I have. Shut up.

And then like the people that I was, I basically didn't have money to do the jump and I didn't want to ask for it, but I should have. That's my, this is my regret that I wasn't- Well, can you go for free? You can't go for free, but that I can- You can go for free, but there's no bungee. The money's for the court, I'm afraid, so.

But then I shouldn't like, that I wasn't like brave enough to ask the people that I was with to be like, can you like lend me this? I would never ever pay for somebody else's bungee. You wouldn't? No. It's true. Are you kidding?

Pay for my own bungee, maybe, probably not. But this was like my boyfriend at the time. Oh, okay. So right, okay, okay. Say something bad happens, right? He's going home. Yeah. He's going home. Yeah. Who the bloody hell gave him the money to do a bungee? That was me. That's the first question I asked. Who's paying for all this? Like my parents. Terrible tragedy.

I knew she was dead broke. Where did she get the money from to even do a bungee jump. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know what I mean? Our daughter was a piece of shit, brocast. Who did this? She had no means of her own. How did she get South Africa? Who are you? I'm sorry, I haven't met you yet because we haven't got the honeymoon. We never got to the honeymoon stage,

so I never met you, but we never will now. But no, I feel like you're sanctioning somebody else's death if you, if you feel you are. That is incredibly dark. Sorry. I suppose with the jump off a bridge chat we had earlier on. That was light. But this is, I just think like the way I thought about it, which I will now never think about

that way again, because of you. You're very welcome. Yeah, thanks you. But the way I thought about it was like, you should not be so proud about money. And this was kind of a lesson for me. You've completely turned that around. Pride comes before non-faith.

Non-faith. Mystics. Wow, that's beautiful. That's actually, that will be the book that I'm writing about this. Very boring. I will say this, I, on that same trip, I bungee'd and I cliff jumped and cliff jumping was worse than bungee jumping. So actually if you'd done it post cliff jumping, you'd have been like, what is this piece of piss?

Okay. Well, let me tell you something else. Oh yeah. It wouldn't have been. Wow. Wow. End of of book. I'm going to tell you now, guys, this is the worst book I've ever read. It's nice and short.

No, Tom. I was just informing you about the chronology. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Fair enough. That's the truth. You went to Canada. That's the truth that happened. You went to Canada next.

Tom was looking to you like some sort of wise sort of guru that he'd hiked up a mountain to meet. Yeah. Which I love, by the way. I love that, you know, I've given off that impression so far that I have something to add. That's why we caught you on the podcast. But not financially, we've established.

Not financially. I think now we've established. Yeah. No word on that. But not financially we've established. Are you alright? I think now we've established. Yeah, no word time. Cried comes before and on fall, subtitled, but South Africa came before Canada. Just to get it. You've got to lead at that.

The whole book is me just like a slave to my own chronology. More than anything else. Yeah. Could that, is there a travel book in you going around and not doing things? Do you feel like, you know, like going around to places and they say, oh, did you could that way if they're a travel book in you going around and not doing things Do you feel like you know like going around to places and they say oh, did you see that? No? Yeah? Yeah, fuck that guy to traveling and saying fuck all 20 miles that way is the Taj Mahal Tourists flock to watch this wonderful building

This is the world's highest bungee jump Wonderful building. Fuck that. Fuck that. I love it. End of episode. You've watched that? Yeah, I'd love that. I'd watch that. This is the world's highest bungee jump. Fuck that. What did you think of the bungee jump though? Was it cool? It wasn't as cool as I thought it was.

Really? Yeah, because you do spend a lot of time just boinging afterwards. The dangle, the dangle's the worst bit. Whereas the cliff jump, you get that kind of, that's a rock. I survived, I survived. Like the bungee kind of thing is like,

oh, it's a lot of wanging around in the air. You don't get the satisfaction of the... Gosh, that's the second time that I've heard that in a week and I've never heard that word before. What, wanging? Yeah. What were you wanging last week? Well, you guys talked about this with Andy Magliano

when we talked about the sports day, but like, listen, we were wanging a welly. Yeah. Welly wanging? What were you wanging last week? Well, you guys talked about this with Annie Magliano when we talked about the sports day, but like, listen, we were wanging a welly. Yeah. Welly wanging. Welly wanging, and I'd never heard of wanging before. The main reason we brought you on, we wanted to talk about all that stuff first. We didn't record any of that, don't worry.

No, don't worry. We're here to talk to you about- We're not gonna talk about feeling bonk right now, really. No, no, no, no, no, no. We wanted to, because we need to now get, because last week we spoke to Anu Agliano and she was about to organise the sports day, but you were actually there.

Okay, yes, okay, I'm the after. You were at the event. Whoa! This is great. This is chronology. This is chronology. And I'm a slave to chronology, as we all know. Famously we know.

Yeah, famous. It was really good, you guys. I just want you to know that I had the time of my life. I absolutely loved it. But you'd never wanged a welly before? But I'd never wanged a welly before. And I don't feel like I really did it now. I just feel like you only got one shot.

I feel like I need more wanging. I think I know the answer to this, but is welly wanging distance not height? Distance, yeah. Who's measuring height? Who's measuring height? Well, bad Garber. He's measuring height? Who's measuring height? Well, Bamgarda. He's there with one of those laser measure. Bamgarda lands and goes, I did it and then

do what? We don't measure height. Who stopped doing that? We're playing Captain of Flag. But also, if you're throwing it directly up, it does have to come directly down and so you're going to get a lot of wellies like on your noggin aren't you? I was just trying to think about tactic was anyone going over their heads? No one did that. I think that's the way to go. I think I'd do a spin maybe but I think maybe that's more foolproof. Spin and then throw the welly.

When I was a kid I got like a report card that said that I couldn't throw. What, your report card? Thank you actually, thank you all No. What, your report card? On my report card. Thank you, actually. Thank you all. Was this by your PA teacher? This was, my report card was really, cause it was really good up until, why was gym being-

Oh wow. Why is it being assessed? Why is it being assessed? And then it was, it had five categories, including throwing and catching. And it was my only fail on the entire report card. And then my parents, and I genuinely, I think this is even worse actually,

my parents, they gave us all like a little present for finishing the year or whatever. And they gave me a ball. Oh no. Doesn't that feel like such a slap in the face? Or is it important? Is it kind of like, hey, you know, this is an area that feel like such a slap in the face? Or is this important? Is it kind of like, hey, you know, this is an area that...

Are you a parent? Yeah. Did they throw it to you? Not some news for you. We've got you a present. Oh, a job? Yeah. Oh no.

What age were you when you got this report? This was, I was like 12. Oh no, that's bad. So what were the... There was throwing, catching. There was... Falling? Was falling in there? Falling can't be a PE. We know you's bad. There was throwing, catching, falling, was falling in there?

Falling can't be a PA. We know you've got falling down, Pat. I'm a great faller. You're a great faller. I'm not gonna lie to you guys, I'm actually really good at it. This girl can plough. Yeah, yeah, I can plough to the earth like a...

If that is a sport, I'm doing it. I'm so good. Yeah, great. Gravity. Gravity is my friend. Yeah, Yeah. Wow. That was nice. That was worth hiking up the mountain to meet the Weiss Brewery for. That was actually really nice. That was the lesson that we learned. Yeah. I loved your way down, by the way.

You are Gravity's friend. Were you guys good at sports? Uh, no. You were quite sporty. You were good at sports. I come from sporty stock. I'm the worst sports person in my family, but that makes me... The best sportsman in my family. I'm about average at sport. Right, you're from like a proper...

Yeah. You're from the jocks. Yeah, yeah, my dad was sporty but not jockey, so like we found out... He didn't ride horses. He didn't ride horses. He was too big for it, really. What does that mean? He was spoiled by horses. He was too big for it, wasn't he?

What does that mean? He was spoiled by not Jocky, so like he played football to a very high level, but we only found that out later on. Like he didn't like to talk about it. What was the level? He played in the Student World Cup. Fuck! He played semi-professionally. It was the Turtle Student World Cup.

Turtle Student World Cup! Good God. You can see his penalties clipped up on YouTube. They're still there. I found out the other day there's a card magic World Cup. Whoa. And I feel like World Cups shouldn't, I don't think they should be allowed into World Cup. Why not? That was my initial reaction. Do you remember Pog Pogs? There was a World Cup for that. Yeah. Do you think that should be allowed? Yeah, of course. Why wouldn't a World Cup... Surprise!

The fourth category was Pogs! She is Pogging at a 14 year old level. And she Pogs. She walks 21 minutes up to pog from now. Those pogs are coming from a great high, I tell you. If you, for the way, if you pog off the Eiffel Tower, goes through your head, comes out your foot. I'm rarely not pogging. I'm not going to lie to you. Never not pogging. Yeah, never not pogging.

We had one that was like a maths game on the back of it. Did you guys have that one? Pog maths? Pog maths. Did you guys Pog school? Pog walkss? Pog Maths. Did you guys go to Pog School? To Pog Mawts? Yes, yes, yes, we did it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah It was a little maths game and you had to get to 24. There were four numbers on it. Right. And you had to get to 24, however, however you could. Adding, dividing didn't matter. You had to use every number one. So it's like sort of that rounding countdown basically, but in plug form. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And they had, they had, they had like a World Cup about that as well. I think any sport or any pastime can have a World Cup because crucially it doesn't matter. Oh, I mean, it doesn't like it. It doesn't stop your World Cup, the football World Cup, being the World Cup. You still get it. Let me try and get a handle on this.

Like tournaments. Yeah. World championships. Like, yeah. So snooker has a world championship. It's not a World Cup. And that feels right. What about World Cup of Darts?

Because there's World Cup of Darts. Yeah. Is that okay? Not quite right. Feels good to me. You don't mind that, do you? No, because we had Barney, I think. Oh yes, yes, of course.

The Dutch. So were you sporty then? What's your... No. No. No, no. I was playing the piano to no level. Like if someone said, oh, there's a music world cup,

you have the Eurovision song contest, but you don't call it the song world cup, for example. I think with art things, it's slightly harder to judge, isn't it? Yeah, that's true, actually. Music shouldn't have winners. If they said there's a card magic world. Is this like, did you guys ever win anything meaningful in comedy? In anything, no.

No, no, no, no, no, no. We've lost a lot of things. Oh, we've lost, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think art should have a competition. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That said, thank you very much for the Perry Awards. Yeah, no, no, we've never won anything. But what you're saying, the cards,

you think it shouldn't be a World Cup of cards? Isn't the World Cup just because they win a cup? Yeah, but ironically, for the Football World Cup, it's not a cup. It's a boot. It's a trophy. Oh. I really... You said it so confidently.

Mickey, thanks for coming in for the interview to replace Gary Lineker. I'm afraid you're not right for the role, but it's really, it's great that you've come in. I've also watched that so many times. Why did I think it was a boot? A golden boot. There is a golden boot. Oh, okay. What's that?

That's for most goals. If you score the most goals. Oh, that's my, that's my winner. That is a goal. Oh, okay. What's that? That's for most goals. If you score the most goals. Oh, that's my winner. That's your thing. Yeah, that's my winner. That's fair enough actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Oh, okay. I haven't made it. I'm sorry. So go on. Give me more on why this is a problem for you and your card playing friends. We have half an hour to do it all. I feel like, for example, like a bake-off, right? Great. They don't call it the Bakery World Cup.

It's a bake-off. Great. It's a competition. I don't mind that. There are no competitions. They might have a Bakery World Cup. It just doesn't generally... You just think World Cup is taken? I think... For the World Cup? Maybe. I mean, I don't mind there being like, there's other World Cups. There's like a Rugby World Cup.

I don't know if it's a ball sport thing. I don't know. But I don't mind. I just think you can have a competition or a tournament. There's a prejudice here. Yeah. What is that? What is it? Cause you said a similar thing about the women's world cup, didn't you? Yeah.

That was the first time I heard this argument. No, it shouldn't be called world cup. Is it a ball thing? It should be called the fancy ladies kick about. It's not as you've built. It should have balls. That was gay, man. God, what is your? Colleges of men and women. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just feel like we have to draw the line somewhere, right?

Everyone can't be having a World Cup. There's cups for everyone. The sock World Cup. Everyone's gone mad. But Tom, the sock World Cup doesn't exist. You can't be angry about that. The what next story of it is a bit problematic. It's a slippery slope.

It is a slippery slope. It's a slippery slope. I'm glad we're all on the same page. I agree. By the way, have you been to the slippery slope? Unbelievable. Absolutely amazing. I would be so good at it.

Miki didn't realize she was entering, but there were two people in front of her. She didn't want to embarrass herself. She was like, straight down. I went for it. her. She didn't want to embarrass herself. She was like straight down. I went for it. I would love that, you know? Whenever I see people, you know that old game where like you would have a sort of like slippery surface and like on hot school days they would like bring out...

Oh, slip and slide. Slip and slide. I did one this weekend. You did? Yeah. God. This is why you become a dad. So yeah, we bought a slip and slide.

It's absolutely enormous. It was related to you. Yeah, yeah. God, this is why you become a dad. So yeah, we bought a slip and slide. It's absolutely enormous. It was related to you. Yeah, yeah. So we, and you plug it into the hose and it sprays. It's like sort of two little sort of gullies. You can go down, it sprays it, it keeps it wet. Hose included. Yeah, hose included and two plus sort of inflatable

little kind of mini surfboards basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so the kids were, the kids are three and five. They were having a sort of reasonable time on it, but they couldn't really do it. And me having never, yeah, having never done it before was like, let me show you how it's done. So I went upstairs, got changed into my togs,

came back down. Where'd you go in your space suit? Come on, space suit. Grind all the shit. You absolutely must wear a space suit. One small step for man. Yeah. Let me take a real run up here guys.

But yeah, so then I said, look kids, watch and learn. A guy who's never done a slip and slide before, but. So confident. And I, it was just so, basically you just throw yourself on the hard ground. Yeah. So I just like immediately. You didn't put it on grass. It was on grass. You just do on on the hard ground. Yeah. So I just like immediately. You didn't put it on grass. It was, no, it was on grass. You just do it on the batting.

It's still, you're basically, you're running along and you're jumping and hitting the ground. What you think is off you go, but now you kind of go, and that's it. You don't move. But you're saying this technique so confidently, but you've already said you don't know how to do it. You've never done it before. That is quite embarrassing.

This is how. This is what you don't know how to do it. You've never done it before. That is quite embarrassing. This is how. This is what you do. You're trying to ground hard. But I know, I've seen other people do it and it's like you jump, you sort of jump and throw yourself on your belly and then you skid along, right? I think the jumping is your problem here. Yeah, the jump feels like a problem. That feels like how I throw a ball.

I think you've got to imagine it. How much do I do? Or just fall forward and hope that the momentum carries me. What you've got to think about is you're sliding. So if you slide on your knees on a dance floor, for example, you've had jump to your knees, you slide down. He's got a point. He's got such a good point. At some point you are off the ground. At some point you've got to leave the ground. You're not going up, basically. You're not sure you do do particularly. Think about it like skimming a scone. Yeah, it's the Bake Off World Cup.

The final round of the Bake Off World Cup is you've got to skim a scone off Paul Hollywood's head. I'd watch it. It's good. I'd watch it. And would it be allowed to have a World Cup? No. The problem is, no matter what your

angle of entry is, you are then, you're right, you're going across a piece of plastic that is along the ground and that shit isn't inflatable unless you've really paid the big bucks. He has I think, they aren't hoes included. Yes but it was like, it looked a lot better. Like when my kids looked at the box and said oh when does it do this thing because it's got like kids sliding along with like motion and it's got like, it's got like sort of two kind of like little holes all the way through that sort of spray water. Yeah. The idea is but it's, but in the poster it's like arcing up like it's you, like it's in the Tivoli Gardens or something.

You were the only thing arcing up. Swim diving off the washing line. And kids are tiny. For them it's a huge... Oh yeah, yeah. You thought it was small, but for them it was huge. No, even for them they were like, when it should look like this. It's come to the skipping stone analogy, kids are lighter. Yes.

Whereas you're a lot more... What you're saying is when you throw a kid on it yeah what should be doing push the kids give me my kids give a kid yeah that's what i should but when you're going along what you are aware of all of the bumps the odd little stones or bump that that is that comes apparent that becomes apparent well i i went about four feet i bruised my elbows and knees, and I went upstairs and changed back out of my dogs into my clothes and said, you have fun, I'm gonna do the wash up.

So they couldn't see you bruise. Couldn't see me cry, yeah. It reminds me a little bit of my dad made us a wooden slide when we were children. Oh, splinters. It was brutal, yeah. What? On a sunny day going down the wooden slide.

What's the idea of a wooden slide? Why do you keep going? I tell you, we didn't have much else to do. We grew up in the 80s. And there were two people at the top. The 80s. I didn't have a choice. We just watched a video of a man being hit by a steamroller.

So that's all we had to do. Now we go down the wooden slide. You see this view of chess? God. You guys, you're not making it sound good. No, no. Being our age? Yeah, it's not great. Just the 80s in general. Yeah, a lot of splinters I remember.

I don't have to deal with as many splinters as my parents had to, put it that way. I do feel like that's shown some advancement in society. God, yeah. Did you not like sand it down? Initially, yeah, but I think it kind of gets, you know, gets roughed back up with all the arseholes going over. Some really sandpapery arseholes. Some things you should know about the Parry clan. Very sporty, really rough arseholes.

Really rough. That's what people call us. Rough as old arseholes, Barry Clan. This sounds so depressing. Oh, God. Any good memories from childhood? What about your memories of childhood? What did you play within the garden?

Really beautiful stuff. Just the piano. Yeah, 90s, beautiful time. Yeah, just the piano. Did you have a paddling pool? Because that's my, the slip and slide thing, it's a similar experience I remember with paddling pools. You'd set them up, you'd fill them up, they would look amazing. You'd be like, oh my God, we've got a swimming pool. You'd jump in and

again your knees and your assholes rubbing up against the fucking bumpy ground. How you managed to get your knees and your asshole on it. How double jointed are you? This is not something I experienced. Me, myself and my sister is beautiful. Just, you know, smooth arsehole. Smooth arsehole. We'll take your word on that.

I'm sure I'm comfortable with the direction this is taken. But, you know, we had a little paddling pool. Then you kind of age out of that rather quickly, don't you think? Maybe that's the problem. Yeah. But like the dream of the paddling pool, then you kind of age out of that rather quickly, don't you think? Maybe that's the problem. Yeah. But like the dream of the paddling pool is like... The dream of...

You know those people that have the huge ones? You go on with a bike, yeah. Like these swimming pools. Yeah, exactly. That was... That's all I ever wanted. Totally. I come from a family who love the warm, the heat, the sun, and I'm the only one in my

family who's like, I need to be in the shade or I need to like be in the water that's why I love the lighter but like I just need water around that's why you cliff jump so effectively well there was a there was a little there was a like a not a canal or something a bit of water near me and there was a bridge over it and kids used to jump off it into the canal and it just it was like I just all I wanted to do was up but my mum was like there's rats in the, you're not allowed to go there. Yeah. Yeah.

And then the second you get to go. Okay, this is what happens, I think. Are you a parent as well? God, we're the kids. No, I'm not. We're the kids who would have thought this was rad. God. We're such old men.

Yeah. Ooh, no, no, no, no. The canal has rats. Where do you stand on hot tubs? Because hot tubs feel like the, that's where you- It's not cold. It doesn't cool you. But you can fit it with cold water.

Cold tub? That's ice bath now. You don't want to be in a cold tub. No. Because people will still be wanking in it, you know? Because it's like, it's a hot tub. I just feel like it's a gross, gross, I hate the hot tub. You hate hot tubs.

Do you think people are- It just feels like people, it feels like people are being gross and nefarious in it. Too sexy for you. Too sexy, you're all like seedy. But if it's your hot tub, you can control the sexiness that's going on. Can you?

It's in your pattern. I don't know if you're in control of it. Are you always in control of the sexiness? I guess so. I mean, once I get my rough asshole on. You can't have an inflatable hot tub. It was a hell of a honey boom, wasn't it? Tom can't have an inflatable hot tub because he bursts them.

Yeah. Too sexy. Too sexy. Too sexy immediately. No, I just, I feel like there's a seediness to a hot tub that I don't even want to. Yeah, I think they're good in theory. I like the idea of them. And then normally I'm like, I get in and I'm like, oh great. And then about 30 seconds later, I'm like, I'm done. I like it with people who live in like snowy areas. Like if someone in Norway has a kind of like, you know,

it has like wood on the sides. Yeah. That feels, that doesn't feel seedy to me. That feels rustic. Okay. Yeah. I get it. I like your ass.

Yeah. You live my dad's slide. Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing. As rustic as they come. To be honest, the problem sounds like it was your ass. You'll have loved my dad's slide. Yeah, it sounds amazing. As rustic as they come. To be honest, the problem sounds like it was your ass, and not that much of a slide. You had a slide that slid into a wooden hot tub. It was lovely.

On a snowy day, you'd all go out in the back garden. Yeah, that, I think, is the idea of like, you get out the hot tub, it's cold all around you, you know, heading into maybe the sauna your beating your body with a birch that kind of thing Yeah, all of that kind of thing. You're speaking my language. I love it So is it like the Love Island version of hot tub that's got the problematic people go in and like beat each other off Is that the problem? Yeah With the birch I feel like that is even pre Love Island

I don't think Love Island came up with wanking in the hot tub. Oh. I just feel like that's like a hot tub. There's nothing worse than being, if you go to a hotel, you're in the hot tub and then a couple gets in with you and you're like, why did you like... I'm trying to wank it. Exactly, yeah. Keep going, keep going. But yeah, that also always inflates your shorts, doesn't it?

Well, wanky. Yes, yes, yes, yes. So your book on the chronology of wanking in the hot tub, when is that out? What is it out? God, it's just for me. Self-published, self-read. Yeah. Self-published, self-read. And some through, you know? Do the Dutch hot tub.

Hanging by a thread. It's more a Scandinavian thing, isn't it? Hot tub. Some I'm sure. I think probably at the same ratio that they do here, I would say. Right, yeah. We actually have a lot in common, you and I. We're not so different. We'm not so different actually. Yeah. But you've got, um, the thing I think of with the Dutch is, right? Yeah. Do you ever go swimming in those in the dyke? Yeah. That's a piece of land. He's there with his goggles on towel over his arm.

He's there with his goggles on, towel over his arm. Guys, you got a Veruca sock on just walking around. Guys, where's the... The old dyke swing. Has anyone got a pound for the lockers? I want to go swimming in the dyke. Oh no. How could someone put their finger in it to stop it from... If it was not...

Oh, so the dyke... Okay, okay. It's the like surroundings. The dike's the wall that stops the water. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you can't swim up a wall. What else do you think of with the Dutch? Yes, I tell you what, we're going to take a little break. You two have a chat.

Clark and I are going to go and jump off the balcony for a bit, that's alright. I'm fancyed my chances. I wasn't going to do it, but there are two people here. Tell you what, he's like being in a fucking black cab, isn't it? Tell you what, I was being covered. What are you, one of those Dutch people? It was a great start. It was a really good start. It just, you know, it just, yeah, it was just-

Really petered out. So dodge is just a damn, basically. Basically, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Call it a damn, guys. It's like you've got a different word for everything, isn't it really? It's just really poor stuff. What can I tell you?

No, we do actually have a word for everything. Yeah, yeah. That is actually accurate. Yeah, yeah. I can't tell you which ones, yeah. No, we do actually have a word for everything. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That is actually accurate. Yeah, yeah. I can't tell you which ones, but. And that's the end. That's the end. That's the end.

Yeah, yeah. What else do you know about the Dutch? Yeah, I would like to know about this actually. No. You can do it into the microphone. Oh, okay. Porcelain. Right? Like blue and white. Oh, yeah. Porcelain. Right? Like blue and white porcelain. Cheese. Yeah. Yeah. Windmills. Yeah. Flat lands.

You know what? This is really lovely. Yeah. No, dikes, but I did think dikes were the reservoir as well, but that's close, isn't it? You know what's so lovely about this, Tom? It's that like most of the time when you speak to people, they just have such rubbish things to say. What do people normally say when they say... British people. Yeah, they just go about Amsterdam and all that. We eat mushrooms in the red light district. Yeah, yeah. Look at lovely Tom talking about cheese.

Thank you. Chulips. Yeah, thank you guys. Chulips, yeah. Thank you. It's really nice. Thank you guys. Thank you. This is a really good end, I think. I feel like, yes, I feel like, yeah, when we set, when you said, oh, that's the end, that wasn't the end. You needed the closure of some nice things

to be said about the Dutch. Every podcast that I go on. I was gonna say, you work for the tourist board, don't you? Yeah. I suddenly get it in, you know, like very suddenly, sort of like, I get people to say some really positive stuff about... Yeah. The entire time, it was like a long freefall for you, wasn't it?

And you were always aiming... Thank you. ...to the right. ...or me Felix. So yes, you heard it first, visit Dutch. That's the slogan, right? That's the slogan, yeah, visit Dutch. That's the end, right? That's the slogan, yeah. That's the end, thank you.

There you go. Happy days. Happy days. What a fun chat that was. Love chatting to Mickey. Loved having around Clarkies Fly. It was brilliant, brilliant stuff. And like we say, do go and see Mickey if she's coming to your town. The best place to find out is of course, mickeyoverman.com. Absolutely right. Get yourself on the home page, find out where she's going to be. She's going to be in Brighton, she's going to be in Cambridge, Bristol,

Guildford, Munich, Berlin, Manchester. That's a tricky double up. I didn't know Munich, Berlin was in Manchester. Munich and Munich, Berlin, it's a new bar. But yeah, so get yourself to mickyoverman.com and get tickets to go and see her because she's absolutely fantastic. Okay, I'd serve really good beer in the Munich side of the bar and the Berlin side would be the dance floor where everyone gets off with each other.

Yeah. Okay. Today's episode was produced by Emma Corsham. Corsham team! Cheers everyone! Bye!