Pappy's Flatshare - Pappy's Flatshare ep 1617: Amy Annette "Tales from the sidelines of Indie Sleaze"

Episode Date: May 25, 2026

What was life like in Camden in the 2000s? What sexy shenanigans are happening at the National Theatre? And how did we manage to marry such attractive women? We’re joined by the wonderful Amy Annette to talk sleepover kisses, the antidote to period pains and her Dad's amazing life as the Zelig of New York City. Amy Annette on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/theamyannette/ Amy Annette on tour - https://www.amyannette.net/ Pappy's - https://www.instagram.com/pappyscomedy and https://www.tiktok.com/@pappysflatshare Support us on Patreon - patreon.com/pappysflatshare Tickets to all our live shows - https://pappyscomedy.com/live Produced by Olivia Swash with tech help from Max Brill Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hi, Ben. And I am Matthew and welcome to this very exciting episode of Pappy's Flat Share and it is exciting. It is and it is Papi's Flat Share. We had a guest with us today in the corner of the settee, a bed settee we find out, but no spoilers here. It was Amy Annette. Amy Annette. You almost didn't do a spoiler on the name of the guest. No, yeah. That's how committed to no spoilers you are. Well, Amy Nett was here. We discussed bed sofers. Snogs, Camden, there's a lot going on. It's a real trip down memory lane for all of us. Our memories go much, much further back than hers,

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Where we belong. Hidden my water here. that's going to be dangerous for the podcast? Only for your lovely sofa. Yeah. It's a cheap one. Yeah. Yeah, I can tell that. No, it's lovely.

Thank you. Does it fold out? It does, yeah. Yeah, it's one of those. It's a slide-out bit. Pull it up. So for bed. You can have.

One of them. Yeah. Really, really uncomfortable to sleep. Yeah, but not for you. You sleep in your bed. Sometimes. Let's not go down that route right now on the point. Okay.

No, what I meant was sometimes like if like my parents will stay over. Right. We'll go, we'll sleep on the sofa bed. Oh, that kind. And you can have our bed. Wow. And you regret it. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, massively. But not Megan's parents. They have to sleep out here. No, we've done it for them as well. It's a real compromise, isn't it with a sofa bed? Because the sofa's never as comfy as a full sofa.

Yes. And the bed's not as comfy as a full bed. And what's the answer? I would lean more to, because we've done the same, we've got a sofa bed in our house, and it's the shittiest sofa in the house and the worst bed. So I think the answer is to just go full sofa

and stick the sofa cushions on the floor. I always think that is a much nice of sleep. A really comfortable sofa, which is where we fall asleep anyway, right? Yeah, exactly. So I'm a big fan of sofa cushions on the floor, stick a bed sheet over it and off you go to sleep. And that's for you.

That's why I say to my guess. Pop, pop down. I did. As we're saying this, I remember staying at your house, doing that and waking up just nowhere near the sofa. Yeah. And was the sheet still on? I have no recollection.

But in my sleeping bag, I just like rolled myself into a corner somewhere. That thing, they don't have any structural integrity, do they? There's nothing connected them together. So the slightest movement, and you're on shifting sands. Yes, but that's what the bed sheet is in odd. two if you get a good elasticated double sheet a fitted sheet that's tight enough

like a child's... Yeah you're trying to you're trying to corral things together and you brought your own sleeping bag did you? I can't remember what's going on? No bedding available

different times I think we're talking about a kid's sleepover right are we talking about like... Oh no this was a little while this was a little while ago yeah but it was all very makeshift yeah I can't remember

if I bought a sleep bag bag but you supplied one for me this feels like nature's way of telling you to not sleep in someone else's house. Isn't it? Isn't it like... I mean, I didn't mind it.

I woke up. I'd had a good night's sleep. I woke up. I woke up. But yeah, I just wasn't on this. I wasn't on the thing I fell asleep on. But it's nice to start soft. Yes.

There are two types of kids, aren't there? I guess there for people. People who like to sleep at other people's houses and people who really don't. Yes. Yeah. And it's as clear as not. that really. Yeah and what do you do with that binary? Like what's that? I mean I I guess

the interesting thing is when Romeo and Juliet style friendships are forged across those barricades which happens quite a lot I guess what happens is the friend who likes to sleep at other people's eyes has to go to the house that's why I was always a clerkie's well when you said Romeo and Juliet I thought you meant which is my lived experience that like having to awkwardly sleep on the floor next to someone is a great way to have a kiss. Oh. In younger days.

In younger days. You and Nish aren't sleeping on the floor together. Not currently. You lying on some. And we don't kiss anymore. Some sofa cushions and Nish goes, oh well, it's romance nights. I brought my cushions today, boys.

But no, I feel like when it's sort of sleepovers or like when you're slightly older, I'm just, oh, we're just all going to fall asleep here. That was a great. Maybe it's an English thing, but you've got no confidence. but if you're just sort of like physically next to each other. God bless.

And in the magic of the night as well. Absolutely. The darkness falls. Yeah, absolutely. All bets are off. Yeah. Good times, eh? It's a wonderful time.

I was off in a reverie. Yeah, I was, I went to another place. For me, my first kiss was lying down. Yeah. Under the stage during youth club. Me and this girl used to go and lie under the stage in the church hall. And we, it started with just like, She was going to lie under, like, well,

she was just going to lie under that stage for no reason at all and just talk to each other. You were trying to upskirt the performers, weren't you? Yeah. Yeah. Upskirting didn't exist then. It was a simpler time. It was like to draw a picture.

Brass rubbing. Your idea to go lie under the stage or hers. Oh, I don't know. It was very, it was a, it was mutually agreed. I love it because it's such a nonsense thing, that clearly you always get a kiss. Why would you want to go and lie under a stage? Clearly, you're always going to go. You were all going to kiss.

One of the grossest places to lie down, I'd say. In a church. And a church hall. No. It's just like dust and dirt and horror. And so are you lying like this or on your backs? We're lying on our backs. Oh my God.

Looking up. Yeah, yeah. And then occasionally one of you will be like up on the elbow. That's the next bit. Isn't it up on the elbow? And then little kiss? Yeah, yeah. Aiming for the little kiss.

Yeah, yeah. So what time of the day is this kiss quite early? It was youth club time. So probably about five o'clock, six o'clock. What time is when you're under a stage. Yeah. I use a sundial. Timeless.

Yeah, that's so nice. I have no idea. But yeah, really, it's, yeah, very chaste time, I think. Well, I chased around at the stage. I was told an anecdote by an actor who had had full sex on stage at the national during a show. No, no, no.

Behind scenery. Behind scenery. So, no. Oh, oh, yeah. Gosh. So, like, they were just like, because you're in the run and you're, you know, Obviously they were having like this affair or whatever and it was like, do you think we could get away

with having sex during that change or they were on stage behind scenery? Wow. Which one? Which one of the national? The Cotterslow? Yeah, the Littleton. Not the Olivia.

It was only Littleton. Obsessing the performance within the round. Two-thirds of that audience got an absolute eye for. But much better than whatever a play is. Oh, yeah. Exactly. It felt real. Oh my gosh.

That's kind of horrible, right? Yeah. Yeah. Because I get it, the excitement of the moment. But in reality, leave everyone out of your kinks, I think. This is it. My friend was in a West End production and she was the only woman in an all, otherwise all male cast.

And she was like, oh yeah, we had this thing where like I would wear a little thing that they could control and they would give me little sort of buzzes during the show. They're like a little. And I was like, what is this story? Oh yeah, they would pass it around the rest of the cast. And so as I'd be on stage and just be like, well, like a sex eggie type thing. Oh, within herself.

Within herself. Ooioi, yo, yo. I thought it was just like sort of strapped to her back or something. No. Like a laser quest back. Sorry, I don't know why I was trying to spare everybody's blushes. It didn't make the story very clear. But no.

Isn't that so mad? And she was telling it to be like, isn't this a funny story? I'm like, I don't know, man. I mean, if she's into it, God bless. But like, so how many men in this cast could just be buzzing at any time? I don't want to reveal what the production was, 12 angry ones

she was also in that okay wow wee oh I've not I've not made it because of my cushion hiding my feet hiding the feet

no no feet for free no no no feet for free we're not giving away the feet for free on YouTube no but if you go to our patron just your

just your toes yeah yeah if you join a certain tier we'll tell you which one of puppies is wearing the sex egg as well as a top side you'll be able to tell That would be, oh no.

We can't be too. There's a reveal at the end of the episode. It's always him. It's me again. It's stuck up there. It's just in it. And also you're suggesting there's only one. You'd have one each.

You wouldn't just share one. I swallowed the sex egg. I thought it was a boiled one. Yeah. But that would still get you going. Bus, bus, buzz. Oh, yeah, sure. Lovely.

You're hungry for something. That could be fun. Why don't you guys get like the period simulator? Oh, yeah, the tense machine. That feels like a less. A less fun thing. Yeah. It depends which body part you strap.

Yeah. I never seen it strapped to a peen on the internet. No. You've got to assume in real life many times. Yeah. I like the way that as soon as you introduce cameras in a sofa, it becomes that. You're like, we just wouldn't want to have a nice chat here, but you're saying we're strapped a tens machine to our dicks.

To my mind, what the internet is, is men having period pains as they've never had before. I'm freaking out. And the ladies is like, but I never seen it on a pane. No, that's very true. Have you, is it as accurate? I don't think, is it,

electrocution. No, it stimulates your muscles. Yeah, but it is. Like I've had it, I've done it. Oh yeah. Because it's pregnancy, isn't it? Yeah, exactly. Oh, right, right, right.

So you're supposed to have it to, you wear it to counteract, It's the cramps. Yeah, the contractions. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You counteract that pain with this pain. It's like, it is a, it's a bold strategy. And that is, can I say the women's experience of life. It's like, do you know what will put you?

You know, we'll distract you from that. Yeah. It's easier. It's easier than having a child, though, to be fair. Little electrocution. But you are also still having a child. It's like, it doesn't stop it. Oh, yeah.

It's like, oh, don't worry. Don't like think about this instead. Yeah. This is like the rest of your life now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like if the pharmacist went, you can either have paracetamol, that works quite well,

or this hammer. You're like, I'll go for the paracetamol. Is that all right? Hammer. It's weird. It's a slow day. Hammer for you, is it? Yeah, hammer for me.

There are two kinds of people. Yeah. The two kinds of hands. People sleep over. People take the hammer. People will take the hammer. No, the hammer. That's just putting me to sleep for a little bit.

That's true. Well, it depends. Again, on the body part. Yeah. It could really wait you up. Oh yeah, I don't want that. You've been knocked unconscious? No, but when I was a kid,

me and my cousins used to hyperventilate and force ourselves to faint. Did you? And we loved it. To get that kind of high in it. Mamma Mia, we loved it. To the point that it probably did cause them sort of long-term brain issues.

We never really... Would you not take it in turns or all at the same time? We would take it in turns, which suggests the level of health and safety that is not then represented by what we were doing. But also, we weren't really careful about

where we did it, because you had to press yourself up against the door to really get the lack of air. So we were just sort of full, and there was a big wardrobe. Anyway, we had a lovely time. It's a very different version of the CS Lewis that I read. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we don't want to give everyone the code for it because we don't want to give, encourage people to do this. But you're pressing your arms across your chest, pushing yourself up against the door to sort of contract your lungs and... There's only one other bits.

So if I say it, we are just literally telling people to... And then someone opens the door really quickly. No, that's for your two. Oh yeah, that's a tooth. You tie your head to the door and then you go, yeah, you pass out. Yeah, my cousins would just sort of beat me up.

Yes, it was so nice. Nice. No, but I didn't realize that that wasn't more of a common childhood activity. I remember people doing it at school. There was a lot of stuff like that wasn't there and like standing up quickly. That was like the weed thing.

The atomic blowback. Yeah, or doing risers. Rises, there you go. It was like, you'd like. You and Steve, I were big into rise. He used to find it. What a sentence. It was a very amusing thing to watch.

Yeah, it was like, it was like, you'd squat down, you'd, like, restrict your breathing. Yeah. Then you'd like get a blowback and then you, oh, I think, it's like, you get a blow back and then you're like, hold on to it. And you'd go up the wall. And it's like, holds your throat and then you'd go up the wall.

Yeah. And it's, like, it's like, breathe. It's, like, it's, like, have his hands around Clarkie's face and, like, be breathing into his mouth. And then he'd choke you a bit. And then he'd push him up the wall. And then he'd all get, very giggly about it.

Were you in a sort of sadomasochistic relationship with Stivo? By the way, we talked about Stephen from Jackass right? Yeah. Because it does sound like his movie. Yeah, yeah. Tom had the remote to my head.

Yeah, it wasn't a Sada Masque, it was a national theatre production. Anyway. And what were you doing just watching? Yeah. Yeah, I was right. Yeah, yeah. I was eating the pizza they had ordered

because I was so hungry. I was so busy doing that, I'd eat all there munchies. And weirdly, you couldn't breathe. Yeah. You were suffocating yourself in a different. way. Yeah.

No, it was a big old thing, wasn't it? Yeah. Well, that's so sexual and you didn't discuss it at the time, I guess. No, you know. It'd be weirded to be like, just FYI, we all know this is sexual, right? No, you just got to do it and then think about it later. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You just got to muse on it when you suddenly remember it.

And crucially, it was a sleep over, so all bets were off. Yeah, well, when it gets done. I once got with a guy just because we were in the same pull-out bed, back to pull-out beds. Here we go. And honestly, it was. was just like, well, we're here. We may as well. We may as well.

I mean, he was a cutie pituita. It wasn't a shame for me, but it was like, I honestly had not thought about it until we just like, well. It's a great. May as well. That was like the, there was a period for that. To what end? Can I just sound getting incredibly nervous now.

It does feel like we're going on. This feels bad. No, don't get your arm off of me. This feels bad news. Happily married. This episode, this episode, pulling out the bed so far. Just mac it out.

There is a point where I keep bringing it back to the pull-out sofa. I'm like, guys, whenever I'm on a pull-out sofa. Let's pull out the sofa and slide Clarkie up the wall. You want to move us on then? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we've got any tours coming up in the good books recently? I don't want to ask you three. You all have such attractive wives.

How did that occur? Let's go back to the pull-out bed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It just happened. You're such attractive wives. We just got really winning personalities. I guess so. It must be that, eh?

I guess so. No, no, you're all so cute. But it's just like, they are so fit. They're models, all three. Yeah, we've done very, we've done very well. Really well. Honestly, on the way here, I was like, I wonder what we're talking about.

I know what I want to talk about. They're fit wives. I think there was probably a time when they thought they were back in a really good horse. Yeah. Oh, my God. 2010, 2011, Edinburgh. Who, ho, ho. Yeah.

I've got another I mean like I think we've all got some of the problems as well not only they really fit but they're also much more interesting than we are so like if I go to parties now without my wife the very first question I have is like is Jane here or is Jane coming?

And then I can see the disappointment in their eyes and it's like it's just me now this is going to be a bad sleepover so it's like it is a double whammy really and she's so charming as well yeah well exactly charming and fun and all that stuff and then it's like I can't really replicate that. I actually, I can strongly remember the first time I met her and she was living this cool life

working in a motorcycle cafe. I was like, this is the coolest young woman I've ever met in my life. Motorcycle cafe makes it sound like one of those like caravans on the motorway in a laybine. Yeah, that's what I imagine. That's called something about hungry jacks. Yeah. Sell strawberries in the summer. Yeah.

I know what it is. Yeah. When she was working there, they printed a birthday card for her of when she was at a party. And she's literally just like in like a bra and a pair of hot pants necking a bottle of Prosecco, this birthday card. And I kept it. And the other day we were in our shed and our children found it. And my daughter just could not get over the fact that that was their mum.

And it was like, what are you doing here, mum? Why have you got clothes on? It's like a completely different, like, it's like, oh, this is a completely different world. Yeah. For them to see that. But I think it's, I think, I think, it's good for them to sing. I think a part of being, but I think a part of being a parent is you can't worry about, you know, like, it's interesting when your kids spot that. But your kids kind of have to see their birth as year zero of all existence.

Yeah, of course. You know, I think, I think you can't, you can't force. Hey. I've got this other light I don't care How do your children feel about the beck and fireworks When you're really much the celebrity Oh they love that

They love that But only because now they're old enough To do the announcements I see So it's it's you know They're old enough now to be The Nepo babies Of their beck and fireworks

Yeah yeah yeah I have actually seen them swing around their VIP passes Yeah there's a lot of that going on Pushing fences open Yeah Or the kids going Why is she doing that? Yeah

Why is she announcing that Catherine wheel? Why has she done that? Catherine wheel. Listen, I know it's Beckenham, but there's a proper fire. We don't just, we're not just stood around a stump, mate. Next up, the Catherine wheel. Get closer. Get a lot closer.

We said we wouldn't give full names of children on the podcast. Yeah, no, yeah, it's, that's absolutely. That's the reason, though. It's like, I think any time you get to be on the other side of the fence, you know, that's always exciting. Truly. Wasn't there a thing about, did your mom

have a thing with the Rolling Stones? Why imagine that? What? Is that Catherine Weir? She reckons. Yeah, she reckoned she was chatted up by, there we go. Bit jagger.

Now, if she's saying that, what's the real story? Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I think. Where was this? What year was this? Yeah, what did this happen? This was,

What was the show that was pre top of the pops? You'll know this. Oh. The old, like 6'5 special or D time or... So keen to guess. Yeah, I'd be desperate. Imagine if I got it. It was something like that.

Oh, my whistle test was a good show. Yeah, and I couldn't believe I even remembered that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I'm very young. I don't think it was old grey whistle test. Thank you. But it was a great guest. Paulie Yates?

She's in bed? The tube. The Big Breakfast. She was in. bed the tube was the show she was too. Is it fun? Is it helpful? Is it helpful?

So your mom fucked McJagger. Well, they were at sleepover of all things. Oh my God. The pull-out bed came out and she thought. Even McJagger needs a pull-out bed. There was a point when it was going to be Charlie Watts and Ronnie Woods

in the pull-out bed and luckily Lou got in there first. So yeah, yeah. So yeah, what's the story of your mom getting chatted up though? I think she'd she'd been somewhere with a friend and a guy who was like, oh, I can get you tickets right to this to the show she and then they they'd go quite regularly for a for a few

records so she met yeah so we talked like the kinks mid-60s uh the game but also she had like signed albums and stuff and then she threw them away when she became a born-again christian and so that to me means there's a strong connection there yeah i think so i think so i I don't want to. I think there is a message from the Mick Jagger in a skewer somewhere. Don't want to. No. I don't want to.

But I just, my hand has been forced where I pulled this story out of nowhere. No one knows where it came from. It's quite a good. I think it's quite a person. We were talking about firework displays. Suddenly. You're talking about how much Matthew's children love watching the fireworks display.

Speaking of fireworks displays, that night, your mom's swimming Mick Jagger. It was pretty spectacular. Oh, wow. Is that what you wrote on the, the episode of Sticky Fingers. It was fireworks when you knocked me off, Lou.

Something like that. Was it... It's where he got the album title from, isn't it? I mean, no, no, no. Listen, I was just thinking about parents past lives. That's all. I was going to ask... I was going to ask the question about, like,

you think of years era when you're born, and then you find out about your parents past life. Like, I found out my dad once got so drunk that he walked over a car. And that blew my mind as like a kind of story. What do you mean? He walked over a car. Like, you walked over a car.

That's it. Like, front to back. Yeah. Huh. It'd be weird to go side to side. By the time I saw it. How are you walking over a car? How tall is your dad?

The story was he jumped over a car. Yeah. And that's side to side. If you're walking over a car, what route you taking? I just asking the question. I want to imagine it. I want to imagine it too. And that blew your mind.

Oh, yeah, incredibly. I must have been like 10 or 11. I see, I see. He walked over a car. And like he was drunk. My dad was near like, I was drunk and it was like what? So like that's my

equivalent of boffing Mick Jagger. What did your dad do to this car apart from walk over it? That car was no walkover, let me tell you. So I'm just thinking about when you find out about your parents past lies and then I remembered something about your mum and the Roading Skows

and then spinning off all the albums. Is she still born again, Christian? Yeah, yeah. And is she still in contact with Mick Jagger? What about your parents' previous lives? I'm trying to, well, my dad is American. He's sort of lived the American dream in lots of ways. My dad was a teenager in the 60s in America, in New York.

So he did lead an amazing life. I mean, perfect time to be there. So he was very involved in the anti-Vietnam War protests. And at one point they went to John and Yoko's apartment. No. And I've always imagined them in bed, but obviously they weren't. I now realize, but they talked about like, but in my mind, just always in bed.

Sofer bed. My dad, my dad, hey guys, coming down the middle. Their famous sofa bed protest. Yeah, they love sofa bed. Fulton probably, actually. It was the time. And so they, so he was very involved in that. And he played trumpet

and which he stopped playing. But before he did, he played at the Harlem Apollo. And my dad is white. And his friend who was a trumpet player wasn't able to play. So he had to step in. and he had to learn the dance to do behind the main guy. And so, and he had to sort of get in all the clothes

and prove himself at the Harlem Apollo. So yes, I, to be honest, I've grown up with the idea that my life will never be as interesting as my parents. Do you remember, like, what's the first, like, when did you find that? Like, what's the first thing you found out about that, do you know what I mean?

Like, was he always playing the trumpet around the house? No, yeah, I mean. Tom's asking, did he walk over a New York cab basically? Yeah, many times. I'm walking here over a car. I'm walking over this car. Which way, though! Yeah, that's based on him.

That movie is based on him. Like when you were growing up, was he still cool or was he your dad? Oh, no, definitely my dad. And then did you, what was the first cool or like thing you found out that was like, well, that's not what my dad. My dad didn't play trumpet. I don't know, I don't know, it's that moment, isn't it where you go? Oh, you were.

You were doing something much cooler before us. I do remember the first time he told us that he had done drugs and I could not. No, we're talking. I mean, of course, in 1960s, America, you're not doing a drug. You're in. You walked over a bus. What are you a cop? You used to get a riser up the wall, didn't you?

Yeah, he used to get a riser up. I have to say, they didn't need to do rises in Wolverhampton. Yes, they didn't need to do rises in Wolverhampton because they were in New York City. So they just simply LSD in the streets. I don't know. Was this part of your drug talk? Yeah. Was that when he said it?

He has told me never to do LSD for sure. Right. Because I don't know if he ever did it, but I think he saw a lot of people. have terrible trips. Y'all ever done LSD? No, no, no. It seems, that was one of the ones that seemed really scary.

Yeah, me too. Because of the 60s. Yeah. All those people. The Kool-Aid acid test. Yeah, the electric Kool-Aid test. Yeah, all of that kind of caper. And that was probably the good, like that was, I guess maybe the early stuff so unregulated,

but it was better, right? They were making it themselves. I don't know about drugs. Yeah, I don't know. I'm so uncool compared to my dad. Who did drugs with Bono. I don't know. I couldn't think of anyone else.

Case in point. You can think of a cool bird. It was the coolest buzz, I know. Bono. Bono, not even from the 60s. Oh, no. Not from the 60s. And not from New York.

Not from the 60s, then, do we know? Not famously a drugs guy as well. I think his drug is... Peace. Yeah, I was going to say being sanctimonious. Yeah, pizza potato. Peace. Yeah, he love peace.

His drug is peace. Yeah. So I think, I'm sure there was a moment where I realized my dad was cool, but I have always grown up with the idea. he was his friend another friend couldn't do a thing so he had to help them on a boat and then the boat turned out to be the Joan Baez Bob Dylan peace boat boat going down the Hudson and he was like a boat hand on that so in a way he's like a sort of forest gum figure he's very zealick yeah he's very zealick yeah never the main character pulling the ropes in the back but just doing the trumpet at the back of that yeah playing the trumpet while poor old John is trying to have a kit yeah who inviting all the actions pulling on them, I'm really busy this week. Yeah.

But I think some of that is just where you are at the time, right? Like New York especially. But every generation of New Yorkers have a moment. There's a few years where everything is happening. Where they were in a, yeah, they were in a cubicle with Jude in Casablanca. Yeah. And like Fran Leibowitz there with Andy Warhol.

You know, there's these like little pockets of people. There must be boring people in New York though, right? There must be people who were just, no, just stay in my house. I was also just there. I was there in 1976. And I was like two blocks away from CBGBs, but I never went. No, but I was there in Camden. I grew up in London during like the Libertines era.

And loads of my friends were involved in that. Not me, baby. No, I'm at home reading a book. Yeah. Which probably better for me in the long run. Very much like, very much like Lou's story about Mick Jagger. Charlie has a story that she almost got off with Pete Docherty. Well, that's very different to Lou's story.

No, yeah, very different because because. She did. They had full penetrative sex on the Cotterloat theatre. She did. Yeah. She did. And then she became a Christian because of the experience. She saw God.

She saw God. Honestly. She's all God. She's all God. And she saw God. Listen. You cut it out. You cut it out.

You cut it out. By cut it out, you mean, flip it up. Yeah, clip it up. We'll cut it out. Geo, Geo block it. In your area. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So your wife nearly got off with Pete Docty. Now that my fit wife, nearly got off of Pete Docherty because, and her story is that she was at a party, she left the party, Pete Doherty arrived,

and she said, yeah, but I was always getting off of people in that era. I was like, I don't know if that's enough. I don't mind that. Do you let you take that? A gazillion percent.

A gazillion percent. At that time in that world, yeah. That's really good. Yeah. She absolutely, I was always, she was always,

she was always getting off with people. Yeah. Yeah. I buy that. Yeah. I buy that. Yeah. It would have been a, yeah, great.

Well, I see her logic, absolutely. The logic is there, but you can't fault the logic. And was he Pete Doherty of the moment? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the only problem is competition. The competition. I had a few friends date Johnny Borrell. But it turned out that he was really dating everyone.

And by date, it was just sort of like amassing women. The boy looked at Johnny. That's what the song's about, isn't it? Is it? Mm. I don't, I'm not across the music of the Razor Light. No, it's a libertine song about Johnny Borrell. Yeah, but isn't it?

The boy looked at Johnny. Isn't that about Johnny Rotten? Or is it about the boy who's looking at Johnny Borrow? It's not about Johnny Borrow, it's about the boy looking at Johnny. Oh, okay. No, no, that song is about Johnny Borrow. That's all I know. I don't know any more than that.

The boy looking at Johnny Borrow and all the girls around him trying to mac off with him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I had one friend who was dating a man who we would hang out with at various weather spoons at Camden. We could have easily gone. Yeah, the really bad mixer. It was called the worst mixer. It was called the moon under the water. That one up by Chalk Farm.

And we'd go to the Enterprise a lot. And then we'd go to the Cabab Shop Marathon, which after nighttime would have a dance floor in the back. Okay. And it was fantastic. Oh my God. Did you take your kebab onto the dance floor? Yeah.

Really? You could buy a cabab and then you could buy, but to get into the back, you had to buy. You had to buy something to get into the back. Cabab or drink. Cabab or drink. So you go in with your chips. And then you party, party.

And of course we were, let's say, 16 and 17, aka the most attractive you'll ever be to men who are 42. So we were really kicking it on the streets of Camden. And one of our friends started dating guy and he was like, yeah, I'm really good friends with P. I'm really good friends with P. And we were like, oh, my God, I can't believe it. And then it turned out that he just sort of vaguely knew him.

Of course. But he kept being like, but I'm, I won't be here. I'm going to jail soon. We were like, because of some sort of cool, pit doughty, blah, blah. And it turned out he was defrauding the Starbucks that he worked out. I'm gonna jail soon girls. You won't see me soon. Was that Wolfman?

Yeah, he was, yeah. From baby shams. Was it local character Wolfman? Yeah. Oh, God. This guy would have killed to be Wolfman. He was just a man who worked at Starbucks. I reckon a lot of people passed themselves off as Wolfman back in that day.

Of course, no, I am Wolfman. Yeah, and of course the internet existed, of course it did, but not in the same way. No. easily say you were in a round I could say I was in hot hot heat you never would be like probably yeah yeah yeah you think that's yeah I admit you couldn't do that now could you couldn't walk into

a bar and say one of the young knives yeah you couldn't do it yeah I mean I could you absolutely could actually you know one needs a red tie yeah god but that was the day that's it the indie sleeves yeah yeah T-shirt tie over the top

yeah yeah it's some kind of hat Some kind of obnoxious hat. Even though Indies leaves very much the music, in the pubs, the DJs would all play SCAR. Right. I don't know what that. That was a weird dynamic. I guess they wouldn't play their own music.

Yeah. So they played, like, various members of smaller versions of the Libertines would DJ in various Camden pubs and you would attend, hoping to snog, let's say it, Johnny Burrell. Of course. And we would sit and sort of sit in the corner of drinking our special case, maybe, that we'd brought from the news agent and snuck into the pub. snuck into the pub

Yeah well because we were 16 We couldn't afford anything You know 20 p on the bus That's too much 40 p by that point So then we're in there We're drinking, we're having a lovely time And then considering everyone was wearing skinny jeans

They were all sort of What'd you call it When you don't think to scar? I don't know It wasn't a good scene No It doesn't sound like a good scene It sounds terrible

And then of course The Camden fringe was kicking off And we were Do remember the Camden fringe? Yeah yeah of course Same time as Baby Chambles Similar time around baby shambles I think we'd be there

You could do five or six terrible gigs and then and they go and see Dan and Anna Nacroyce. That was very much. That was very much what would happen is you would do a bunch of gigs that were like, oh, so the gigs in this, do people know the gigs happening here? Yeah. Because we're about to do sketches just in the middle of a pub. There's no stage. There's no stage. Is there a PA system?

No, no. It's the Camden fridge, man. But you do get a wristband that will get you into a gig. Were you in the fly? And tonight you're seeing LaRue. Yeah. The Rue, not bad. Pretty good, La Rue.

Yeah, not bad. Pretty good La Rue. Oh, my God. Yeah, what a time. And we're all like, a couple of years' time, this would be Edinburgh. This will be like the Edinburgh Festival. Oh, right. It didn't.

It wasn't. Never had a Pia. It wasn't. It never kicked on the Camden Fring. But there would be a lot easier for us to get to. So you should have made it work. Yeah, we should have worked a little harder on the Camden Fringe. Did you, like, when you go back to Camden now,

do you feel because it's still an area I go back to, and it feels. very buzzy. It feels exciting even though it feels like it's not really nothing exciting's happening there. Yeah, I mean

the version of it that I knew has definitely changed but I guess it's but the thing is now it's very developed like all the slightly scusier bits have all been made into nice flats and the markets

turn to a box park part. Yeah. I always, I'd never go on with Camden though and it was always a bit more it was a bit beyond me

like and Camas and market, the first time I went around it, I just thought, oh, what's this place? It's like I didn't, like, so, but I understand, like, obviously, if you'd have been there, but I was behind it. But also, I wasn't, I wasn't there. Like, my, I knew girls who were there very much living the scene, but I never really was. Yeah.

I wish, I was in the, I was in the cab shop having a dance. Oh, a lovely dance. That's it. When you can have chips on the dance pool. Oh, my God. It was so good. In trying to, you know. The Enterprise Pub would shut and you'd walk two doors down

and you'd go into Marathon Cababs, buy a tin, have a kebab, have a little dance. Does the idea of that, like, if someone says that's going to be your Saturday night, would you be like, oh, amazing? 100% yes. 100% agree. 100% agree.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I actually, not every Saturday, but one big Saturday. Yeah. Your stag do ended up in Camden, didn't it? That's what that was where. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we did have it. We had a great, a great time.

That was, I mean, was it a movie, 2013. A movie-based disco night. Very, very good. Yeah, but the only time I go to Camden to see anything now is to go to the jazz cafe to see nearly Dan the Steaden tribute band. That is my once a year pilgrimage to Camden. It's a good pilgrimage. And I'll go there and I'll go and see a Steeley Dan tribute band and be the youngest person there in a little bit.

That's my trip to Camden. You're not even actually going, you don't even have to touch the high street. No. You can just, at the tube, over there. Yeah. You know, you might see an Odean cinema. That's fine. That's not too, not too upset before you.

Yeah, you can do that. But it does feel very. It's going to be such a shit anecdote for your kids. When they've got their podcast, it's like, what did you find out about your dad's former life? Yeah, used to go and watch Steely Dan tribute. Yeah. Nearly Dan.

Nearly Dan. Nearly Dan. I sometimes take my friends from America to Cyberdog. You've ever been to Cyberdog? Oh, you've got to go to cyberdog. Cyberdog, as in like... It's a goth UV rave shop. But I know it sounds beyond you, but I think it's very you.

And it's wonderful. It's one of those places that's never been in fashion. No, no, no. It's always existed. That's like a punk thing of the graphic equalizer on the t-shirt, all of that kind of cape. It's so fun. And so they've, I mean, I hope they're still there. Last time I took a friend was a couple years ago, down in the market.

And it's all, there's a whole downside section. It's in the dark because they've got to glow the UV. And it's all that sort of. ooey-gooey things and they sort of make spiky jackets and stuff and you always end up buying a lighter because why not?

You haven't smoked in years but why not? And it's just, it speaks to a type of sweetness of sincerity of that sort of like so it's slightly nerdy punk culture that I really like, rave culture maybe I should say.

It must do, imagine doing a full shift down there. Yeah. They must be like pit ponies. If you get brought out into the light. You've got to. You have to get shot. It's like, oh no.

That's why they're wearing their goggles. They go blind otherwise. Yeah. You come up out of it and I could get the beds. You know when you first met about pit ponies when you're a kid? I never, I've literally just heard about them. Oh my God. You've just informed me.

I used to cry myself to sleep about pit bullies. We're much, much older than you. I know. You used to try and get off with Johnny Burrell. We used to cry about pit ponies. It's a generational device. They weren't a band. Yeah, they weren't like.

It's a good, good name. Pit pony is great names were there. Yeah, God. It is what the Chapel Road song's about. A pit pony club, yeah. Imagine coming out from your shift. I'm going to keep on crying. And it's still light.

We've blinded another assistant. They have to work until sundown so they can get home safely. Oh, Tom, I think you're thinking about pit ponies way more than I realize. Oh, man, the pit ponies brutal. There was a film or a show that dealt with it, and I was, like I couldn't get over it. You know the things when you're a kid that like stick with you? Yeah.

My mom was watching the Great Escape, one bank holiday, and I came in for the last half an hour of it, and I must have been about seven, and she let me watch it, and I could not, it took me three years to get over the Great Escape. They all get shot.

They're all fucking dying. Yeah. It's like, I just made it for 30 minutes. Yeah, the journey of watching that film, I remember that as well. The worst. Because you're like, this is so exciting. And it's like, they're doing it, they're doing it.

And then they all die. And it's like, what is? That's the world, is it? People do that to each other. And then the pit ponies come along. It's fucking icing on the cable. I don't remember that cut of the Great Escape. We're a pit ponies.

Okay, we've lost Steve McQueen. But send the pit ponies in the tunnel. That was the worst escape plan. And then once we get out the tunnel, we'll just ride these pit ponies into a wall. I can't see. You remember that scene when he's jumping over the fences with the pit pony. Yeah. What was your big fear as a kid though?

Like, what was your, like, did you have a thing? Not about pit ponies. No, sorry. No. But did you have one that, like, or a thing you saw, and it's like, that's what you think about in bed at night? Yeah, I remember sneaking downstairs and turning on the TV and watching something, like, maybe like a horror film. But the only, like, but only remembering, like, specific bits of it, not knowing enough about what I was watching. But then I was okay.

because I went upstairs and I read Adrian Mole. Ah, yeah, yeah. The great diffuser. The great diffuser. Yeah, yeah. For me, it was nuclear war. Sure. Sessed with nuclear war.

Yeah. Yeah, that was a big one. Yeah. Thought nuclear war was going to happen. Which, to be fair, not a bad fear to bring back, I'd say. Not a bad fear to reignite. It's like indie sleeves. Absolutely.

Yeah, these things come back around. It's back. Get your skinny jeans out. Get your t-shirt and your tie. And hide under your tie. I mean, it makes sense because the music you were into, I guess, was of the Cold War. Of the Cold War. You know, like the 50s and the 60s.

Yeah, I guess so, but it was like the 80s was a big, was a big kind of cold war nuclear war time. That seemed to be a big thing. That Spector was still hanging over us. Did you ever go to Greenham Common? It feels like something your family would. No, no, we weren't that kind of. Oh, it was great. Green and Common, there was a kebab shop on the corner.

Dance floor in the back. Yeah, back in the gym. I was there, but I wasn't there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Would you, were you taking, no, wrong bit of the world. I'd love to meet someone a little kid who has taken to Green and Common. There must be loads.

Abby Clark's parents took a degree in common. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They used to go in minibuses, didn't they? My dad walked over one of those mini buses. Saying fuck you, all the women as he went. Fuck it. But Abby Clark, her parents got photos of them at Green and Common.

And then, like, years later, her mom was like, yeah, we just went to a load of photos. Basically, she was like, she was like pre-Intern, it was Instagram before there was Instagram. It was like, we took a load of photos. We got out. Load of LSD. Photos, LSD.

Bish bashbush. Got off with Mick Jagger. Home by lunch. It was great. What scared you, Clark, eh? Or like,

not all like, it's not all like, it's even scaring. It's like. It's stuck with you. Yeah, it's like the thing that lodges in your brain.

It makes you really sad. I talked about it before, but I saw like 10 seconds of Day of the Triffids. Right. It was like black and white. It was so, it was such a water down thing.

it was on in the daytime. Plants aren't they? It's funny to look over and you're taking out your hat. You know, there's a moment, yeah. If Paris cap comes off its head, you know, there's a zinger coming up. Yeah.

Yes, I don't buy a cap to my own joke. Someone's got her. But yeah, I saw like 30 seconds of that and was terrified for like two years afterwards. Like, it was like someone on the floor, someone like off screen, like

pushing a pot plant across the way. And like a scream and it was like, oh no, what? You just thought it'd put you off of Dune Weed, but no. No, no, because I want to smoke it down. I get my revenge. Yeah, smoke them out. Cut them off, smoke them up.

Yeah, any kind of horror type stuff, the War of the World's album was really scary. And it had all these pictures on the, all these paintings on the, side again of triphids of what they called the tripod things

yeah but yeah yeah all of that the red the red mists the earth covered in like a kind of horrible red goo grimbo what's the queen album with the robot on the front greatest it's the hat stays on

um you love horror you make horror movies I know yeah that's part of it though is like I was so kind of scared and intrigued by it and I wasn't allowed it I wasn't allowed to be around it

It's like your mom's past The real horror The real horror And also he started a Rolling Stones tribute band With all the things Kind of weird Yeah We shouldn't delve into that

Why is the guy singing Jumping Jack Flash crying You can't always get what you want That's nice. We kiss now? We'll be. Yeah, yeah. You'll get out.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, sorry for better. Amy, thank you so much for coming on the show. Oh, I've loved it. To watch the clips and now to know I'm in a clip, that's exciting. No, now you're in a clip.

In a clip. Yeah. Clippies. Where can people find you? What have you got coming up? Well, I'm very online. Not posting, just watching. Just watching.

Just watching. You know how the good mixer you're just at home. I'm at the good mixer. Yeah, yeah. I know where Denver lives now. No, I don't. I'm not allowed to. I am going to Edinburgh.

Oh, fantastic. Yes, for the festival fringe. Yes, I'm doing a show. That's really the main thing. Oh, I'd love if anybody came. You've got such a lovely fan base. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah, yeah, go and see any of me.

Some of the cutest petudius, may I say. Very sweet. What's the show? What's it called? It's called, Say What You Like About Me. Lovely. I'm going to say it like that every day. And it's at 5.30, and it's in Pleasant's.

Dome. Oh, beautiful. And so you could have a lovely dinner after or a lovely late lunch either way. Right. Fantastic. And then I'm doing a TV show that comes out Tuesday the 12th of May with on you called The Way out. It's an escape room show. Yes, I saw that.

And I haven't actually seen very much of it yet. So I am currently promoting it. But at some point I might just shut up because I'm worried that I'm going to really annoy the escape room community because. You know, I'm not sure I'm very good in it. But I'm having a lovely time. That's the main thing. And that's the main thing.

That's the main thing. We don't go on these TV shows to be good at them. No. No. Just have a nice time. Yeah. I had a lovely time. Great.

It was in Belgium. And spoiler alert, you're here now, so presumably you escaped. Out the frying panning to the fire, really? This is it. I need to let you know that you guys, the other day on TikTok, you looked at my profile. And it said, Papi's podcast looked at your profile. That was you. That would be really, yeah.

Gluckie. And I didn't know that that was a thing that happened anymore. I didn't realize that people were informed when you looked at their profile. So I just want to let you know that for your creepy knees, creepy, creepy needs. And I just want to let you know that.

The people out there. You're the audience now now. If they follow you and you look at them, they know. I love a love. And Clarkie. We got a round of a look. We got a round of a look. These are my two things.

You accounts to delete, I think. I got a few things. talk about their fit wives and I got to tell them I'm watching you creep me on the internet. I'm watching you. I want to be creepy about your fit wives and then I want to tell you your creepiness is showing. Yeah. That's okay. Of course. Is any, you know, it could have been checking out the dates for your, your, that's not what I'm promoting on my TikTok, baby. Oh, I see. No, just feet. There you go. Just feet. Just feet. But thank you for having me. What an honor to be here in the crevice. Yeah.

You're welcome. Oh, my. my god with the guitars i've seen them before this wallpaper even better in real life oh and you're all such lovely boys and you're very lovely wives can't be overstated thank you can't be undistated you've got fit partners i do yeah yeah but it's not surprising for me well well well thank you for staying with us to the very end here we are again if you like what we do there's patrons supporters but there's also our social media which you can do liking and retweeting on, I've heard.

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