Pardon My Take - 3X NBA Champ Rick Fox, Game 7's, And S8E5 “The Bells.” GoT Recap.

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, pardon my take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen, ad-free, on Amazon Music. On today's pardon my take, we have two Game 7s. We have Steph Curry going, Dracarius, Dracarius. You don't like it when I try to pronounce stuff like, I don't give a fuck. We have Steph Curry going, Dracarius, against the Houston Rockets. In front of your girl, Danny, we'll do Game of Thrones recap at the end.

Starting point is 00:00:32 We have Rick Fox in studio. Very interesting interview with Rick Fox, who's back of the week, and a Monday reading a packed pardon my take for you. Before we get to all of that though, it's time to talk about the cash card from the Cash App, the number one finance app in the App Store for a reason. The cash card is the most powerful debit card in the world, and the only debit card with a boost, a money saving feature you can't get anywhere else because the Cash App invented it.

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Starting point is 00:02:46 He is. He's a killer. Kawhi Leonard is a killer. Kawhi Leonard is a killer. Kawhi Leonard is a killer. Kawhi Leonard is a killer. Kawhi Leonard is a killer. Kawhi Leonard is a killer.

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Starting point is 00:07:50 Kawhi Leonard is a killer. Kawhi Leonard is a killer. Kawhi Leonard is a killer. Kawhi Leonard is a killer. Kawhi Leonard is a killer. Kawhi Leonard is a killer. I have a question for you. I am always a little bit hesitant to really go full in on the city of Philadelphia.

Starting point is 00:08:09 I love Philly. I think that they have some of the best, most passionate sports fans. They have some fun teams too and some fun personalities. I'm just kind of glad that this is like a reality check for Philly where it's like going when they got Jimmy Butler, they're like, we're going to fucking win every championship. Right. And they're like, we're going to win every championship in every single sport possible. And it's like, okay, maybe, maybe next year.

Starting point is 00:08:30 But my question for you is with this Sixers team, they're very, very good. They're young. Do you make like solid moves in the off season? Or is this a case where you just let the core of the team get older? No, well, I bet if you're the Sixers, you have to basically say we have to do everything to build around Joel Embiid and that includes not playing him like during the regular season. He needs to go on LeBron minutes. He needs to go on management.

Starting point is 00:08:54 He needs to go big time load management. Maybe take a couple of weeks off in the middle of December. He needs to do all that stuff because it's clear that he is their team. And as he goes, they go, but you're, it is true. Like the Sixers are kind of in a spot where it's like, I think you can probably re-sign Jimmy Butler and Tobias Harris and be like, let's just run this back. I think you don't think Brett Brown is the guy because I, like I said, three shot clock violation.

Starting point is 00:09:19 I think one of them might have been a block on Jimmy Butler, but it also just looks like an old alcoholic cop. Like at the end of his career, he's one of the guys from the wire that accidentally fires his gun inside. There's also like a long history of, of sports coaches who have to coach the young team and then pass it off to an old head to bring them to the promised land. So I feel like that's kind of what the situation here is that he did a good job with the young team, bringing them along.

Starting point is 00:09:44 But when you lose like they did last year and then lose this year, I feel like you have to change at least something. Otherwise you're just running it back again and it feels like it might just be the exact same thing. Just maybe, you know, maybe one round more, but the goal is to win a championship. That's the process. I think it's just like, it's a houseplant that you're taking very good care of and you're like one day this will bloom and this will get better.

Starting point is 00:10:07 I think they've got clearly enough talent to make it out of the East. Oh yeah. It just doesn't really fit. All of it doesn't fit. I could see the Sixers giving the bucks a run for their money if they had won this, but now it's going to be really interesting to see how Toronto shows up against my box. They also have one of those classic situations where, you know, you get all this talent, but then you look at the, if you look at the game, seven guys played.

Starting point is 00:10:29 They had no bench. They had no bench. Same with actually the Raptors. Seven guys played. I love when, whenever we overhype a bench during the regular season, it's like when it gets to the crunch time, you're probably just going to play seven guys and maybe there's a couple of teams that have eight guys, maybe a ninth guy who can throw in, but like for the most part, you're shortening it to seven guys and you just better hope those seven

Starting point is 00:10:48 guys can all fit and everything works together. And the Sixers feel like a ton of talent and everything's just a little tiny bit off. But either way, I want to, I want to just share one of Magic's tweets. He showed a lot of emotion guys, a lot of emotion. Okay. Ready for this? Kawhi Leonard. Wow.

Starting point is 00:11:05 Wow. Wow. Holy shit. Four bounces. And it goes in. What a shot to win the game for the Raptors. That's, and then, but then he went back. He tweeted that and then went exact right back to old magic.

Starting point is 00:11:15 So it was like a moment where he blacked out. He went right back to Kawhi Leonard, played like a superstar scoring 41 points in a game seven victory over the Sixers. Yep. Exactly. It goes back to reporting the box. That was close. That was close.

Starting point is 00:11:28 He was like, if Kawhi Leonard was retired. Yes. Oh, that was really close. All right. So the other game seven Blazers, Nugs, our guy, CJ McCollum with the Hezzie hay shoving it down. That's actually too graphic shoving it in Jennifer's face that I'm trying Jennifer to eat from last year when she said, just win a playoff series.

Starting point is 00:11:50 He had how many points did he end up having 37 or 37? All the nerves went on blast, even though it didn't really make sense because he was shooting like high quality shots, but he did it with like basically a mid range game. Yeah. And it was, oh no, now we have people battling the nerds being like, see the mid range jump shot is still alive. Right. And then the nerds are like, wait, but actually that's not what analytics say they say.

Starting point is 00:12:12 If you're a good mid range jumper, jump shot shooter, and it's the end of the game when everyone gets shitty, you should keep taking those. And also the best shot in the game is always an open shot, no matter where it is. Yes. And it seems like, seems like nerds are maybe a little, a little triggered. Our nerds become in the new jocks. They're getting started. You know what?

Starting point is 00:12:31 The nerds are trying to stuff jocks into lockers these days. They're doing a little well. Turns out man analytics going one on one with a guy and hitting a step back 14 footer. Yeah. Yeah. Michael Jordan. Yeah. I wasn't a push off.

Starting point is 00:12:43 Did they call it? The, the nerds though have been put on their heels a little bit. They're doing, they're like updating their stat sheets, their, their spreadsheets saying, well, actually that was actually a great shot and bubble. I don't care. CJ McCall was awesome. He basically carried their team because it was very weird. Damian Lillard, look, he had, he got, he got the James Harden flow.

Starting point is 00:13:02 He looked like he was out of gas and basically like, I don't, I can't do it in this moment. Yeah. I'll say this about Damian Lillard. He's got a winner's chin. Ooh. Have you ever seen that thing? He's got, he's just, if I'm doing the old school, just like facial recognition, like this guy's a winner.

Starting point is 00:13:17 This guy's not. Damian Lillard's got a, he's got a winner's face. He's got, you know what he's got? He's got a video game face. Like, like you pick face number six, all time video game face, Ben Gordon. Number one video game face in the world. Like he, his, his face looked like it was from a video game because the very angles were very, no, the angles were kind of sharp.

Starting point is 00:13:36 Are you trying to fuck them? No. His, his cheekbones. Yeah. His chin. Strong jaw. You just be like masculine eyebrows. Scrolling over.

Starting point is 00:13:44 You're like, oh, okay. I'll take face number 11. Just happens to be Ben Gordon. But this was a huge come up for podcasters. Yes. Having CJ do that. Yeah. Like we're, we're now very cool because, you know, one of our brethren has shown that

Starting point is 00:13:54 he has the clutch gene and he dropped, I, Enos Cantor went right to Twitter and then CJ McCollum went right to Twitter. He gave the old defense my ass to the defense at the end of the game. This is the new millennials ruin everything. Back in my day, they would just go to the locker room and fuck some chicks in the sauna like magic. We know CJ said defense my ass. Yeah, I know.

Starting point is 00:14:16 I'm saying now, nowadays the kids, they win a game and they go right to Twitter to shit talk. Yeah. Like Baker Mayfield. Text your family. No, I should be actually texting reporters. I love that stuff. You get to hear from them right away.

Starting point is 00:14:28 Yeah. It's way better. Shout out to Enos Cantor though for winning this. He played, I think the entire series while he was fasting for Ramadan. Yep. Hank learned a lesson today. He was like, wait, wait, Enos Cantor doesn't drink water during games. He only did it today.

Starting point is 00:14:41 Yeah. Because all the other games were at night. No, some of them were. No. Well, but he was still fasting. But at night. You don't have to. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:14:49 But he was still fasting the day of the games. But this was like the real one. It's a unique set of challenges. This one, he couldn't drink while he was playing the game. Right. But yeah, he wasn't drinking at all. He got in touch with Akeem Elijah one. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:15:00 I saw that earlier this week to ask him for tips. My ignorance was that I didn't realize that fasting money couldn't drink water as well. Well, it's not your fault because like if you are PFT, if you're our age, you remember Akeem Elijah one doing it in the 90s and it was always so crazy because it was like that was the big story. He'd be playing in the playoffs and just not eating, not drinking. Yeah. No, I think it's one thing.

Starting point is 00:15:20 Like they said he woke up early three o'clock, made sure he got all the proteins and nutrients. That made sense. But when it's like, he doesn't drink water throughout the course of the game. That's just that his mind was sharper. That yeah. Ooh, I'm going to stop drinking. Odell Beckham doesn't drink water either. Yeah, that's true.

Starting point is 00:15:31 He hates it. So he hates water so much he gets on a boat to avoid being in it. Yeah, exactly. So we have Seth Curry versus Steph Curry. Yes. The Western Conference finals. Who are they rooting for? Who are the parents going to cheer on?

Starting point is 00:15:43 They're going to do the split jersey. I don't think one of them should root for one child. One should root for the other. You got to root for Seth because one, he's not going to win. So you could be like, oh, we're rooting for you. And two, he's not going to throw his mouthpiece at you if you cheer against him. Yeah. And everyone talks about Steph and no one talks about Seth.

Starting point is 00:16:01 This also sucks at his name, Seth. Like it would be cooler if his name was something that didn't like doing the SS and you're the lesser of the SS. Careful with the SS. Oh, yeah, that's true. But you here is your back. You're back. Uh, that's that's always tough.

Starting point is 00:16:16 But so we have Seth Curry versus Steph Curry and the Rockets are officially dogs, D.E.D. dead for the Rockets. Dead. How about how about that ultimate Vince Young game from Steph Curry where he just chilled out in the first half and went the fuck off in the second. How many points do you have in the fourth? Thirty-four. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:16:34 Twenty-three in the fourth, thirty-three for the game, zero at halftime, unreal. And Clay was also unreal. But it was it was fun watching the Warriors like be underdogs like that and have everyone doubt him. And then it felt like 2015 all over again. Remember when people actually rooted for the Warriors in 2015? I'm old enough to remember that. Literally everyone was rooting for the Warriors in 2015.

Starting point is 00:16:56 And this felt like a throwback to the Warriors in 2015 and the Rockets are yet again stuck. They are now in that like Buffalo Bills, Utah Jazz, like, uh, like name a team that the Patriots have stopped, like the San Diego Chargers and all these teams that basically get laid waste to dynasties and you'll just never like you'll never think of them the same way, even though they lost to unbelievable team. So the thing is after the first two or three times that it happens, you can be like, oh, they're unlucky. You know, like they're good enough to get there.

Starting point is 00:17:30 Right. They were in it until the last second. And then the takes, the narrative starts, which is they're losers and they can't close it out. Which is a fact. And then it's well, listen, at some point, once the narrative gets going, it starts to seep into your head. If you're a player on that team and you're like, yeah, we really are losers and you can't

Starting point is 00:17:46 get it done when it counts. And then it gets worse and worse and worse. Right now they're caught in a take spiral and you can't escape. It takes. You're sucked in. Yeah. And basically just circling the drain right now into a vortex. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:17:57 A vortex. It goes like directly into Skip Bayless's butthole. And that's where you're at right now, right out his mouth every morning, seven to nine first take. I cannot. First things first. I cannot wait to get in the studio on undisputed with Shannon. I can't wait to tell Shannon Sharp what's coming through my butthole.

Starting point is 00:18:14 I told him. I told him the saddest thing I saw on Twitter, Darryl Morey, consummate professional, take this hockey, uh, congratulates the Warriors after every time they lose to him, which is very sad when you actually go back. So, uh, May 28th, 2015, congratulations, Warriors. Great, great team. Thank you to Rocket Spans. You carried us all year back at it pursuit, 2016, then it started to get a lot shorter

Starting point is 00:18:41 because it just kept on happening, uh, may or sorry, April 28th, 2016, congratulations to the Warriors. Great team, uh, May 28th, 2018, congratulations, Warriors. And then yesterday or today you come at the King, you best not miss. Congratulations, Warriors. He should just make them to a thread. It's just, it's so sad to look at just every year, like clockwork. Oh, time for Darryl Morey to send out his congratulations, Warriors.

Starting point is 00:19:08 I love it. It's like one of those guys that, who's the guy that broke down the Mueller report in a 500. Oh yeah. And he just, that's what it's going to be like for this guy, Seth Abramson, Darryl Morey is going to be like the Seth Abramson of NBA Twitter where it's just eventually 20 tweets thanking the Golden State Warriors for beating them in the playoffs again. You're the best.

Starting point is 00:19:27 Uh, let me ask you a question. Yes. Do you think that Kevin Durant is a little bit upset about how good Steph Curry played in the second half of that game? I don't think so. You don't think there's a small part of them? Oh, there's probably a small part of them. So I'll put it this way.

Starting point is 00:19:40 If he's out for the rest of the playoffs and the Warriors win without him, yeah, he's going to be, he would be pissed off. Oh yes. For sure. The fact that they won this game by putting the entire team on Steph Curry's back, there's got to be a small part of them that's like, when I come back, is this still my home or have I been cooked out of my own bed? Well, it's the same part of, it's the same part of Steph Curry that was kind of feeling

Starting point is 00:20:01 that way when Kevin Durant was owning every single game and won back to back and NBA finals MVP. So I think it's like, this is the classic Warriors vs. Warriors. Steph reclaims his team after a run that was a historic run from Kevin Durant in terms of numbers wise. And now we have this weird thing where is he going to come back? I think he'll probably miss the first couple games because they'll, they're probably like, we're going to beat the Blazers no matter what.

Starting point is 00:20:26 Yeah. Which I don't know. I know. I don't know. I know. Podcasts vs. people that go on people's fucking podcasts. It's probably going to be epic showdown. I'm going to say the Warriors in five.

Starting point is 00:20:38 Warriors in five. I'm going to get the Blazers too. We're a big Portland podcast. We love the city. I do have one question. Unless Durant comes back and the Warriors vs. Warriors, that's the only way. By the way, did you see Draymond, Chris Paul, all-time Petty League backfire? He blocked Steph Curry from using the court on Thursday night for a shoot around.

Starting point is 00:21:00 And so essentially the story goes Steph Curry reserved the court from seven to eight. You can do that? Yeah, you can do that. You have to do that. You have to schedule it online? Yeah, you have to schedule it. He got caught wind and was like, fuck that. I'm working out.

Starting point is 00:21:12 Steph Curry was like, hey, how about we just go havesies here? You just need one basket. And he said, fuck no. He takes the other basket out. And then as they beat the Rockets, they're coming off the court. And Draymond's like, what did he even say? He's like, like... Steph said, he said to Draymond, he's like, kick me off the court again.

Starting point is 00:21:30 Kick me off the court. Yeah, kick me off the court again. Kick me off the court again. So Petty War has gone wrong. Purple meme, Kevin Durant watching the fourth quarter of that game, Arthur Fist. Oh, shaking. Yeah. Just going crazy.

Starting point is 00:21:43 I do like that they posted a picture of him celebrating at the end of the game. That to me is like, you're trying a little too hard. Verbal meme, Kevin Durant watching the fourth quarter of the game, and it's the mask in front of him. The troll mask. And then he's crying underneath it. He's crying underneath it. I like that.

Starting point is 00:22:02 The guy walking down the street, looking over the shoulder at another girl while his girlfriend is really mad at him. And it's the guy is Warriors fans, and then the girl is Steph Curry, and then the other girl is Kevin Durant, and he's Saudi Soros. He's like, oh, are you kidding me? And that guy, the Kevin Durant, has the Arthur Fist photoshopped over one of the girls' fists. And the face, and he's crying underneath it.

Starting point is 00:22:26 Yeah, there you go. Someone draw that for it. That exact thing. That's the quality. Fuckin' meme. We killed that meme. Yes, we killed that meme. So wait, I mean, I had a question for you.

Starting point is 00:22:37 Okay. Yeah, you ready for this? Yeah. But then I have a very important point. Okay. Melo curse. Ooh. Okay.

Starting point is 00:22:45 Melo curse. I'm here for curse. Who lost on Sunday the Denver Nuggets? The Knicks. The Denver Nuggets. They traded away Carmelo Anthony. The Knicks have never won a championship since they traded away Carmelo Anthony. Fact.

Starting point is 00:22:58 The Thunder haven't gotten out of the first round. Fact. Since they got rid of Carmelo Anthony. The Rockets, they lose. They got rid of Carmelo Anthony. USA Basketball. If USA Basketball doesn't win a gold. USA Basketball hasn't won a gold medal in two years.

Starting point is 00:23:09 Yes. If USA Basketball doesn't win the next gold, I'm officially saying Melo is the best cursor of all time. Could you imagine if this was the hoodie curse? Think about it. Yes, I like that. Syracuse. Hasn't won a championship since Melo got traded.

Starting point is 00:23:23 Mm-hmm. Boom. Done. Wait, when does the Melo curse begin? Whenever. Okay. Whenever he leaves your team. It's very floating.

Starting point is 00:23:31 Whenever he leaves your team. Right. Or whenever, yeah. Or the history, yeah. Whenever he leaves your team. You don't do anything after. It really just is when Big Cat says it starts with that individual team. Because the Knicks, it's been gone, going on for a long time.

Starting point is 00:23:43 He precursors them. They had eyes on Melo for a long time and he cursed them. Yeah. Which is more potent than a normal person. Yes. So the Melo curse is a real thing. Yes. Tell everyone.

Starting point is 00:23:53 All right. Can I get back to my very important point? Yeah. The Blazers logo looks kind of like a butthole. Okay. I'm looking at it. Hold on. It's kind of an infected, like bleeding, pussy butthole.

Starting point is 00:24:04 That's gross, dude. I'm just saying. Yeah. I mean, it's gross. But I'm right. Yeah. Why is the Trail Blazers logo a hurricane? I don't know what.

Starting point is 00:24:12 It's a symbol for hurricane. Well, let's see. Trail Blazers logo. Let's learn. By the way, while we look at Trail Blazers logo, PFT, you want to tell everyone about the gold that we have coming out? Yeah, I do. So we've had some awesome gold episodes.

Starting point is 00:24:25 This last week, we put out one where me and Big Cat interviewed a dominatrix, like Goddess Aviva, so you can go subscribe and get that. It's barstoolgold.com slash PMT. And then who do we have next month? One bonus episode a month. And next month, is it a groundskeeper? Yes. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:44 We're going to have a baseball groundskeeper and get to the bottom of what the fuck goes on under that tarp. Okay. So here's what it is. What does the Portland Trail Blazers logo mean? Harry Glickman. What the fuck? It means Harry Glickman.

Starting point is 00:24:58 Yeah. That sounds like a nickname for a butthole right there. It's on the original logo. Hey, check out my Harry Glickman. Pinwheel with black on the top and red on the bottom. It's meaning a simple and modern graphic interpretation of the game of basketball. Five players from one side playing, oh, playing against five players from another. So there's, you can see it up there.

Starting point is 00:25:15 There's five little pinwheels versus five little pinwheels. That's kind of cool. That is cool. It does look like a hurricane symbol. Yeah. So take one side from the lowercase typography to a bold uppercase, adding a dimension. Okay. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:30 45 degrees to the motion of the game. Wow. That. Yeah. That's pretty impressive. Way to go. Portland. Shout out Portland.

Starting point is 00:25:39 Yeah. It sounds like something Bill Walton came up with. We should have Rashid Wallace standing. Maybe lights a blunt like at the center court before game three. The logo should just be Rashid Wallace and Damon Stottemire hitting a gravity ball. And Ruben Patterson. Shout out Ruben Patterson. Kobe Stopper.

Starting point is 00:25:52 The original Kobe Stopper. Okay. Let's get to who's back of the week. Hank. What's your start? Go ahead. Sure. I got a few.

Starting point is 00:26:01 My first one is Snapchat. Yeah. Okay. So Snapchat released a new filter, which can like turn it turns guys and the girls and the girls and the guys. It's got people going crazy. Like the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:26:14 It's pretty. Have you guys tried it? No. Can you do it to me real quick? Sure. I can pull it up. What about the baby Snapchat? If it takes a picture of me, it's going to probably just make me look like a guy because

Starting point is 00:26:22 it's going to think I'm a chick. Yeah. That'll be wild. I like that waitress in Las Vegas. What would PFT look like if he was a dude? For all the new listeners out there, there was a time we went to a Brazilian steakhouse in Las Vegas and the waitress came up to us and tapped PFT on the shoulder and said, ma'am, would you like any more bread?

Starting point is 00:26:40 And we just fucking lost it. From behind. I do look like a chick from behind. It was PFT was not happy. I'm pretty good looking. You know, you know who I look like? Let me see. I look like a brunette version of L.E.

Starting point is 00:26:53 Schnitt. Terrible radio from folks at home. There we go. Ooh, I look kind of hot. Yeah. I look like a cat lady though. My hair is all over the place. I got a lot of split ends.

Starting point is 00:27:05 Lady cat. Yeah. All right. So who, so, so Snapchat's back? Just back. Yeah. Okay. Why?

Starting point is 00:27:13 People are talking about it. That's all it takes. What's so funny is for Snapchat, whenever they come back, they're back for about, they're back for like two days until Instagram just copies their exact popular filter. Yeah. Beats the shit out of them. They just wait until it gets to the ground. But for this weekend, they're back.

Starting point is 00:27:27 My other who's back is the Drake Curse. Yeah. It was confirmed. Wait, hang on. So Snapchat was invented basically to send pictures of your dick to people, right? So what happens when you point that filter at your dick? Why does it try to find out? Does it turn into a claim?

Starting point is 00:27:39 I mean, the catfishing, people are going to get casted so hard. It's like, I almost feel bad. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. I've seen pictures of girls that have fake boobs and they, or fake boobs and they have the guy to ask. Oh, really?

Starting point is 00:27:52 Where? online? You could be careful. I already have the tits. So be careful. My other who's back is the Drake Curse, as I said. Why? He wore 76ers shorts watching Game 7.

Starting point is 00:28:05 That's such an awesome move. So like on his Instagram story after they won, he like panned down. Was he not at the game? No. I don't know why, but he liked it. Instagram story of his TV. And I don't even know if he did it on purpose, but he panned down and you could see the 76ers. Is she becoming self-aware now?

Starting point is 00:28:19 You know what? No, it's genius. It's an emotional hedge. Drake dodged it. So if they lose, then the Drake Curse is fake. And if they win, then the Raptors win, which is I'm sure what he wanted no matter what. He dodged a bullet because Kauai hit that shot right in front of like right by his seats. And I was looking for Drake because you know that he would have just made the moment about

Starting point is 00:28:36 himself and been like the first person to hug Kauai. And everyone would have been so annoyed about it. So Drake, you actually were lucky because I would have been pissed. Is that it? Just the two? Yeah. Okay. For who's back?

Starting point is 00:28:51 Two of them. For who's back? For who's back is recurring part of my take guest, Dennis Rodman. So Dennis Rodman got arrested for stealing a gigantic 400 pound crystal from a yoga studio. I mean, I don't actually blame him for that. Probably tried to smoke it. Right. And also it could be a healing crystal.

Starting point is 00:29:11 Also if there's a certain like 400 pounds, if you're going to attempt it, I think that's okay. Well, so he attempted it. It's almost like, hey, get rid of this junk for me. He attempted it and he walked it like two steps because he had a buddy helping him carry it. And then it dropped and shattered into a million pieces like the Night King. But then he probably got to steal some of that crystal.

Starting point is 00:29:31 Probably. Yeah. He could probably fill his pockets. Right. Exactly. Okay. Anyone else? Or anything else?

Starting point is 00:29:39 Yes. I do have another who's back of the week. It's U.S. women's soccer. Ooh. Is back. So they just pounded the shit out of South Africa on the road to France. Nice. We're 26 days away from the World Cup.

Starting point is 00:29:48 And we have a guest company. This is the World Cup that we can win. Yeah. We're coming from the team. The one thing that the team needs is a description for their play, like how Arkansas basketball had 40 minutes of hell. Yeah. Or bark up Spain plays Tiki-Taki.

Starting point is 00:30:01 Tiki-Taka. Tiki-Taki. Yeah. I say it's 90 minutes of fuck you. Ooh. For the U.S. women's basketball team. 90 minutes of skull fucking. 90 minutes of skull fucking.

Starting point is 00:30:09 From the U.S. women. From the U.S. women. From the U.S. women. But they're actually fun to watch. Yeah. It's a good interview that we've got coming up. But I actually like watching women's soccer better than men's soccer because we actually win in women's soccer.

Starting point is 00:30:20 Do you see, since we're talking about soccer right now, do you see the end of the EPL season was on Sunday and Manchester City won back-to-back titles? And the best part about the team that wins the title in the EPL, they basically just stand on the field for like an hour and sing every like Beatles Oasis song ever. That's pretty great. They were just standing there saying, I heard, hey Jude, they were singing Wonderwall. It's all, oh they did Queen, we are the champions. They basically just sing every great British rock band and stand there for the whole time.

Starting point is 00:30:52 And it was awesome. No, there's no playoffs. Do they sing? That's a fucked up system. The table, baby. Crowning a champion. It's weird. I'm a rugby fan.

Starting point is 00:31:00 Yeah. I mean, yeah. It's, I think playoffs are, the problem is the argument is like the best team always wins. Because it's season long. Yeah. Because season long. But you don't know who's clutch.

Starting point is 00:31:11 No, I know. I agree. It's impossible to know who the clutch is. I agree. I agree. The clutch, good segue to my who's back, the clutch gene is back, or lack thereof. Because statistically speaking, James Harden was ranked last out of 32 players this playoffs for net rating in clutch time.

Starting point is 00:31:28 It doesn't sound good. And so that's average of at least three minutes clutch time and playing at least three playoff games. That's how they decided it. He was dead last. He also, every single one of his numbers from the regular season goes down in the playoffs, basically for the last like five playoffs. Does it wait, does it negatively affect your score if you just don't shoot in fourth quarter?

Starting point is 00:31:50 Probably because of, because of how good he is in the regular. I don't know how they actually base it, but cause that might so good in the regular season. That might explain what he was doing during the Kevin Durant injury game. He just didn't shoot. He was trying to not hurt his clutch rating. But here's the good news, PFT. We finally have someone back to talk about the clutch gene because it feels like it's been a little bit of an absence.

Starting point is 00:32:10 We had obviously like Peyton Manning, A-Rod, LeBron was huge before. He won his titles. Now we finally have a guy who we can say lacks the clutch gene. Definitively. He and Chris Paul. No clutch gene between the two of them. Who would you say in the NFL right now is the big clutch gene guy? Would it be Phillip Rivers?

Starting point is 00:32:28 I was going to say Phillip Rivers, Matt Ryan. Aaron Rodgers, if you want to count the fact that he hasn't won a title, he's supposedly the best quarterback. Many people are saying Aaron Rodgers. Whatever. I'm saying that. You think, you think MJ would have let somebody buy his girlfriend a beer in front of him? Probably not.

Starting point is 00:32:44 That's the correct way to interact with Big Cat and I if we're out at a sporting event. Just buy me a beer and then have Big Cat look over and just be like, why are you, why are you doing this? Yeah. We have to record a podcast. And I'll be like, well, I'll drink yours then too. By the way, I forgot to do it, but I'll do it for my other who's back, Big Mad, Big Sad. We did a Big Mad, Big Sad for Rockets fans.

Starting point is 00:33:04 I have a couple for the Rockets fans out there after James Harden who lacks the clutch gene did it again. So this one's from Steve McGee. I feel like Steph Curry is the type to wear his towel over his nips when he gets out of the shower. Yet he just buried our team. That's actually a great call. That is good.

Starting point is 00:33:20 He definitely wears it. People do that. Steph Curry does. Okay. Yeah. Mace wrote, the series is still 2-2 with Katie out, run it back when he's healthy and we'll try again. Good point.

Starting point is 00:33:30 Fair. That's a good point. Fair. This one. Actually, if you want to get technical with it, the Warriors won two games. The Rockets won three and then the Warriors, won two games. Yes. The other Warriors.

Starting point is 00:33:41 2-2. 2-2. It was tied. Tied 2-2. Yeah. This is actually really sad when Rockets fans are now looking to Bill's fans. So this one guy said, I don't know what to do at this point. Every year, same story in the last two hurts so, so bad.

Starting point is 00:33:55 I need counseling from Bill's fans and a Bill's fan jumped in and he said, here's what you do. One, try alcohol, two, break a table with your body, three, draft Josh Allen and accept him as your lord and savior. Yeah. That's pretty good. Very good advice. Here's another suggestion.

Starting point is 00:34:10 Start commenting on other teams' message boards that are still in it by introducing yourself and saying, hey, Rockets fan here coming in piece. As a Rockets fan, this one's just really sad. In the fall of 2005, I chose to go to Wake Forest because the sports center special about CP3 scoring 61 for his grandfather. I remember that. Move me. It was awesome.

Starting point is 00:34:29 Where he missed the last shot on purpose. Yeah. He left and we never made a final four. Year after year, I bet on the Clippers. Last year, I bet 4K on the Rockets to win the Golden State Series. I'm done with them. Yeah, he should have been done with them a while ago. And this last one is really sad.

Starting point is 00:34:41 Imagine your dog running away except it returns home a year later only to get hit by your car as you're backing out. That's the Rockets. Big sad. So Rockets fans. I don't want to imagine that at all. No, it's a tough, but that's kind of what the Rockets are dealing with. It's actually more like having a shitty dog that you can't make run away.

Starting point is 00:34:57 Like you keep giving it every incentive, like throwing hot dogs across the street and just like, no, I love you and I'm going to continue to bite you and shit on the floor or your baby. What's the dog biting the baby? No, it's just peeing on your baby. Oh, that's what a really bad dog would be. Listen, I wouldn't kick a dog out just because it had a couple of accidents in doors. It seems really specific.

Starting point is 00:35:19 Well, I wanted to step it up from peeing on the carpet. Got it. I figured next one up was just urinating on your daughter. All right, so let's get to, like, yeah, that was a weird brain thing. You just got to kick it up a notch sometimes. Yeah. You want people to understand that it's a bad dog. You can't just be like, oh, my dog sometimes eats his water too much or drinks his water

Starting point is 00:35:41 too fast and spits up on the floor. Yeah, that's a fine dog. Usually you just say shit on the carpet. Shit on the carpet is fine. Now you've got golden showers on babies. Yeah. That's a weird thing to go to. You throw that fucking dog out of your house, weren't you?

Starting point is 00:35:52 That's a weird thing to go to. I would throw that fucking dog out of your house. No, I would. I'd have a lot more questions than that just from like, oh, this dog is bad. It'd be like, what, like how, first of all, how the baby getting a spot where the dog could pee on it. Yeah, wait a second. I don't have a baby.

Starting point is 00:36:05 Yeah. So you can lay your baby on the ground and also your dog pees in the house. So that's the first problem. It might be a small dog. So it can climb up onto interesting like angles and different parts of your furniture and establish the high ground. Another problem on the baby. Too small of a dog.

Starting point is 00:36:20 And they could do that. Yeah. Basically, I just invented Tube City. Either way, bad brain. Bad brain. You got a rotten brain. Bad brain. You got a rotten brain.

Starting point is 00:36:28 Bad brain. Stop. That's a bad brain. Stop brain. I actually think you should be kicked out of the house for that. Brain. For that terrible brain. All right.

Starting point is 00:36:36 Let's go to our interview with Rick Fox before we get to Rick Fox, a couple words from our sponsors. DXL. When you're a man of my wholesome stature and physique, what some would consider to be an absolute unit, others would call the perfect specimen a man. It's hard to find clothes that fit because big and tall is all they do. DXL is a perfect place to buy clothes. DXL is the only one stop shop for big and tall men like me to buy clothes.

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Starting point is 00:38:56 You went to a Final Four, you're an actor, you own an eSports team. What do you not do, Rick Fox? I didn't know Wikipedia was actually real. Oh yeah, it's very real. Do things they say on Wikipedia are true? Everything's true. I have to believe everything I read on Wikipedia? Yes.

Starting point is 00:39:13 Oh my gosh. Okay, some of that stuff is true. Okay. What else did they say? Final Four? Went to the Final Four. Lost. Who'd you guys lose to in that?

Starting point is 00:39:23 Duke? No. We lost to Kansas. 1991. 1991. Hoosier Dome. Damn. That was your Duke beat.

Starting point is 00:39:32 UNLV. UNLV. Yes. Okay. Yes. That was the beginning of their back-to-back. Yes. How much did you hate Christian Laytener?

Starting point is 00:39:40 That's the first question. Because you were around that same time. Yeah. No, no. We had him on the show two weeks ago. I can think of running into Christian Laytener in an airport years later, and we were able to have a conversation. I don't know if we would have been able to get to that conversation a few years earlier

Starting point is 00:39:56 than that, but we had a lot of Carolina Duke hatred towards each other. I don't know if we really knew why we hated each other, but the robbery was strong. You had the colors on your jersey. Yeah. Yeah, we're fighting over blue. Yes, exactly. Which blue is right. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:40:12 He's a pretty easy guy to hate. Everybody hates Christian Laytener. They made that movie about him. Yeah. I thought he leaned into his villain role. Absolutely. He leaned into it. Can I just say you are a very handsome man?

Starting point is 00:40:22 That reputation obviously precedes you, but you're too tall. Yeah, I'm a little bit too tall. You're just the right height. You're kind of like showing off right now. Especially in my second career. I'm a little bit too tall. It's a good cop-back cop. I think you're not that handsome, but you're just the right height.

Starting point is 00:40:34 Okay. All right. So just combine it. I'll take it. Combine it. I'm good. All right, so you are here promoting your new show. It's coming out.

Starting point is 00:40:42 It's called Seven Days Out. Seven Days Out is on Netflix at the moment. Okay. I don't know. That's already out. Do things ever go away? No, they don't. Once they're out there.

Starting point is 00:40:52 Hopefully it's good because it's going to be there forever. So I would say rush to see it, but I guess it's no need to rush. It's out there. You have something else coming out though. Morning Show Mysteries on Hallmark. I don't know if you've ever gotten into the Hallmark holiday season movies or have family members that have. They now have a movies and mystery channel.

Starting point is 00:41:08 Okay. So I play a detective and similar to the Colombo S stuff. You carry a gun? I do carry it now. Hell yeah. What do they do for fake guns in Hollywood? They plug them. Yeah?

Starting point is 00:41:20 Yeah, they plug them. Oh, so it's a real gun? Yeah. You still check the clip and make sure there's no bullets. No bullets. No bullets lying around. Did not know that. That's what happened with the Crow, right?

Starting point is 00:41:30 Yeah, the Crow. They accidentally had one there. Let me ask you something about movie guns and TV guns. Whenever they move them around, it always seems like on TV it makes those noises, but like guns don't just make noises on their own, right? They click, click, click. That's the foley. Yeah, that's the foley.

Starting point is 00:41:46 They go in after that and they put the ADR in and they make sure the sounds heighten the senses of viewing whatever you're watching at that moment. But they will go through every time we are about to use a gun in a scene while the cameras are rolling. They literally, the prop master holds the gun every second that you're not on camera. So they come in, they get it. They get it from you. Smart.

Starting point is 00:42:09 They hold it and make sure it's protected. They do a whole safety talk before the day when you have guns on set and then they show you every time. The guy must do it 50 times in the course of the day, shows you the clip is empty, loads it in, clears it, clicks it, you know, so you know nothing's going off and then he hands it to you properly. Okay. So while we're on dumb questions about Hollywood, what about fake cigarettes?

Starting point is 00:42:34 I've seen them. I've had actors. I've never had to smoke a character. Never given a character that. Okay. That's a dumb question. No, no, no. They're out there.

Starting point is 00:42:43 Yeah. They usually now they have nicotine free stuff that they do. Yeah. I don't know why they don't just sell those because it's like whenever you see someone smoking on a show or a movie, you're like, that looks so cool, but it's not a real cigarette. Sell those. Right. We're in the era of all the vape stuff now, right?

Starting point is 00:42:56 It's everyone's vaping. That's actually going to be like the next big thing, like a mafioso vaping, you know, that's going to be when we made it. I don't know. I saw the rock on social media the other day outside of his house in Hawaii and he was just talking to his fans and he looked like he had a vape in his hand. He did. There we go.

Starting point is 00:43:14 He blows the sickest clouds. Oh, does he? He's got that diaphragm. Mama, we've made it. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So going back to, we want to talk a little bit about, we're going to actually do your

Starting point is 00:43:23 whole career because like I said at the top, fascinating career. I wanted to start with the fact that you went from, you were born in Canada, moved to the Bahamas, played basketball in the Bahamas, then moved to Indiana. How similar are the Bahamas in Indiana? Oh my gosh. Completely different. Okay. I don't know if you've ever been to the Bahamas.

Starting point is 00:43:47 Nope. I've been to Indiana. Yeah. Been to both places. Yeah. Okay. Nassau. They got chilies in both states.

Starting point is 00:43:55 Yeah. There we go. You get the little dot on the map below Florida there. I'm one of those islands. Somewhere down there. About 200,000 people went growing up for me. I left there and I went to the cornfields of Indiana in Warsaw, Northern Indiana. So when you moved to Indiana, did you move with your family or did you move by yourself?

Starting point is 00:44:10 No. I was, my parents signed over guardianship to a family that was the math teacher head of the math department. That's crazy. Yeah. And I stayed with that family during my high school years in Indiana and picked up, you said I played basketball in the Bahamas. My basketball career in the Bahamas looked like Grace College basketball team.

Starting point is 00:44:31 NAI school came down, did a clinic, they showed me they could see I could jump up and dunk the basketball. That was pretty much all I knew how to do. That was it? But they were like, hold on. We can work with this guy. We can work with this kid three years from now. It's like air up there.

Starting point is 00:44:43 Yeah. A little bit like air butt. The only thing I was not, I wasn't a dog. Yeah. But it was like the air up there. I mean, I was kind of discovered in that capacity and my mom was very keen on me getting a college education and so she asked the coach, you know, is there a chance that my son might be able to come to Warsaw and play for you someday and go to Grace College and the coach

Starting point is 00:45:05 took an interest and really actually was the bridge between me making it to Indiana. That's crazy. So you get to Indiana. I have to assume there's some homesickness involved there, right? Yeah. Making that transition. Yeah. I had a blueprint of Michael Thompson.

Starting point is 00:45:18 You guys know who that is? Yeah. Voice of the Lakers. Yes. Father to Clay Thompson. He grew up. He was from the Bahamas. Spelled with a Y.

Starting point is 00:45:26 Spelled with a Y. Yeah. He was my idolized Michael Thompson. He lived a block away from me. I used to drive my bike by his house. He was the first Bahamian to get drafted into the NBA, but he went to high school in Miami and he went to college in Minnesota for the Gophers and he got drafted to number one pick in the NBA in 1976.

Starting point is 00:45:45 I think it was to the Portland Trail Blazers. So here it was this iconic figure in my country. This is what he did to make his way and I knew he was, you know, making a living and he was in the United States playing basketball because I saw him on TV and then I got a chance to meet him. Yeah. I was like, I want to be Michael Thompson. And so I did the same thing.

Starting point is 00:46:03 I knew I had to get to high school in the States, which I ended up in Indiana and I got in the short period of time, I got a scholarship in North Carolina. Yeah. So how'd that work? Did Dean Smith just show up to a practice one day? It was like, this guy is unbelievable. Yeah. No.

Starting point is 00:46:16 When I first got to the, you know, Warsaw, the team had just won the state championship in Indiana basketball. It was a big deal. Big deal. Back then it was, everyone was in one pool. There was no class system. It was like Hoosiers. Yep.

Starting point is 00:46:29 You could see in the movie. For me, the kid in the Hoosiers movie that punches out, he was my point guard. He was the point guard on the high school team that won the championship. Wait, the actual kid in the Hoosiers? Steve Holler. Yeah, Steve Holler. Okay. Was he the forester on your team too?

Starting point is 00:46:43 No. He was a great guy, but I think that was just a character he played in the movie. He played with a chip on his shoulder. He's a little bit like the guy in the movie, but when I got there, I just sat down. Now this is defending state championship champions in Indiana, and I'd never played basketball. I went into the high school coach and he says, well, what do you, what do you want to do? I said, I want to play basketball here for you, and then I want to get a scholarship

Starting point is 00:47:05 to North Carolina, and then I want to go to the pros. Now that was the Michael Thompson blueprint. How old are you? I'm 15 at the time. Jesus. That's awesome. This is my first basketball experience. Never played in basketball before in a team setting.

Starting point is 00:47:18 So I said that to him, and if you think about it now, all right, he knows that. He'd seen me that summer come to the basketball camp for the college. College coach had me come in, go to three weeks of a basketball camp. The first week I went through all the drills, and he had every high school coach from every area in the, in the, in the conference in the area there come to see if I would be someone they'd won on their team. All of them left and was like, yeah, this kid can't play. Can't play.

Starting point is 00:47:45 He's tall. We get it. He can jump up in donkey, but he can't play. Also was black in Northern Indiana in 1984. Yeah. Right. Right. So the, the, the only between the three weeks I was there and that summer before I came

Starting point is 00:47:59 to came to high school, I stayed with that little family in the cornfields the week in between the two weeks of camp. High school basketball coach there at the Warsaw high school that won the state championship was also a math teacher in the math department. The head of the math department was the family I ended up living with. He used to be the videographer for, for the head coach, the head basketball coach. So they decided to take me down to Indianapolis, Indiana during that week to see the world's largest basketball game, 73,000 people in this new dome called the Hoosier Dome and they're

Starting point is 00:48:30 being the RCA Dome at some point, 73,000, but we sat in the top row of the dome at that time. Who was playing? The 1984 Olympic basketball team against some NBA pros. So that was Michael Jordan, Steve Alford, you know, coach Bobby Knight and on the other side was Sam Perkins. So I didn't know any of these players. I just know, I knew that the coach, the high school coach was telling me about all these

Starting point is 00:48:55 different guys and how three or four of them were, were, you know, went to the university North Carolina. Right. You know, Sam Perkins. That sounds good. Yeah. I'm thinking to myself, they have the most pros. So that's where I need to go to school.

Starting point is 00:49:07 So when I left, I, um, before they sent me back home to the Bahamas, they basically left me with a blueprint to say, Hey, if you come back here, you tell your parents, you can come back here to go to high school, you'd live with this family that you spent the week with and you, you know, you can try out for the basketball team. I told my parents that they're like, what are you talking about? You're not going to Indiana. You're going to school there. Right.

Starting point is 00:49:29 Like, you know, I cried as a kid. I cried and finally they went and visited the, the family that I was going to live with and they signed over guardianship. So I tell this high school coach the first week, I want to play for him, the defending state champions in Indiana. They got the Mr. Basketball candidate that's going to make win Mr. Basketball that year. And I want to go to University of North Carolina and I want to go to the pros and he could, he could literally laugh me out the room.

Starting point is 00:49:52 He didn't. He just took me out on the basketball court and walked me out and he said, look, I can give you the tools, what you do with them is up to you. And he sat me on the block with my back to the basket. I'm sorry. First thing he did was he took me to the hash, you know, the hash line on the, on the basketball court. So usually like, you know, past the three point line.

Starting point is 00:50:09 Yeah. We're like the coaches box. Yeah. It's like, well, you can't, coaches aren't supposed to pass that line, right? He goes, can you dribble from here and make a layup? And I took one dribble, picked it up step, step and laid it in. They don't call it in the NBA. So you're already, you're always there.

Starting point is 00:50:25 That's that point there. He is going to be a pro. He's going to be a pro. Exactly. You know, it caught the, caught the coach by surprise and he said, um, can you do that again? Can you dunk at this time? And he was a huge fan of James Worthy.

Starting point is 00:50:38 So I took the dribble, one big, one dribble, big, picked up step, step and took off and I dunked it. And he's like, I'm a great coach. I just thought I'm out of it. And he goes, he took me over and he goes, okay, put me on the box, the back to the basket and he showed me a drop step, simple, you know, post move, drop step. He told me, just keep doing this. You do this until I tell you to stop.

Starting point is 00:50:58 I just started doing it and I did it and did it. And he just left the gym. I just kept doing it. And I got, I mean, I came to school early before classes and I go in a gym and I do it and do it. And finally afterwards he could see that I was coachable and willing to actually put in the work. I tried out for the JV team first game.

Starting point is 00:51:14 I make the JV squad first game. I go in, I score 16 points in the first quarter. Pretty good. I was just very athletic. Right. I'm just jumping over everybody and he, the head coach comes running down and take him out, take him out. You were only allowed like four quarters in a varsity game and I got promoted up to

Starting point is 00:51:32 the varsity squad really quickly. So sure enough, by the second game, I'm on the roster. The center, the starting center for the defending state champions blows his knee out and I get thrown into the starting position. Well, because we had the Mr. basketball candidate, all these head coaches were coming to scout this top recruit in Indiana. He hadn't decided yet where he wanted to go to school. Every time they came, they'd see this really athletic kid grabbing all these rebounds

Starting point is 00:52:01 and jumping and running really fast. And so I became, I got on the radar. So your initial question was, how did I get to Dean Smith? Yeah. That summer after we lost in semi state or whatever, the coach, high school coach, puts us all in the van and drives us to five star basketball camp. You ever heard of that camp? Yes.

Starting point is 00:52:17 Five star Howard Garfinkel. It was like with today's AAU, you know, Nike, Adidas camps and stuff like that. This was like, he had to be the top 100 kid in the country to be at this camp. Literally by the time I got home back to Indiana, a couple of weeks later, I got a letter from Dean Smith and started the whole process of being recruited by him. So when's the movie about you? Because that was fantastic. Oh, yeah, right.

Starting point is 00:52:42 That's your own Hoosiers. The fact that you said, I want to go to Indiana, I want to go to North Carolina, I want to go to NBA and then it worked out. Well, it gets a little better because I am not better, a little worse. But the next year we, you know, when I made it back from that, that top 100 camp and all of a sudden I'm kind of on the radar. Now I'm getting all these letters in my mailbox. All of the coaches in the conference thought I was an exchange student.

Starting point is 00:53:06 They thought I was only there for one year. And so they raised hell when they heard I was coming back to play another year. So they called the Atlanta High School Athletic Association and said, hey, like this kid can't play. He's an exchange student. They went, no, no, no, no, no. His parents signed over guardianship. So he's literally those are his parents.

Starting point is 00:53:29 Yes. In America, those coaches must have been pissed off. They were pissed. I got to play another year. I dominated. I played really well. And after that second year, we went back to that camp again. This time I'm on a scholarship for two weeks.

Starting point is 00:53:43 And I was one of the top, you know, 100 kids legitimately at that point. And I win the MVP of the first week of the camp. So all of a sudden now in a year and a half or two years, I'm the best player in the United States for one week. Right. All right. And I sprained my ankle at the end of the camp week and after winning the award and the next week in comes a guy named Alonzo morning.

Starting point is 00:54:07 Alonzo morning shows up. I didn't play the first two days of camp that week. And by the third week, everyone's like, we want to see Rick Fox and this kid. Alonzo pair off and they move the game into the big gym, which they never play. We always played outside, but they made this big, you know, spectacle of us playing and had a great game. But he had a better game and he ended up winning. And when I went back to to, you know, Warsaw after that,

Starting point is 00:54:34 I was met with obviously a number of recruiting trips I had to take, but I was met with a letter by the Indiana High School Athletic Association saying that I was ineligible to play in my senior year. And because I'd gone to high school in the Bahamas for two years. And when I came to the United States, I went back into the soft me because I was only 15 years old and my parents didn't want me to go to high school. I mean, go to college at 17. So they figured we'd play three years in the States and they said, well,

Starting point is 00:55:02 you played two years in Bahamas and two years in Indiana. You only allowed four years. And so the family that I lived with decided to fight, fight it in court. So we went down and we, you know, they put the money up. I didn't know this till years later. I just thought I was fighting, um, you know, a court case to try and get my eligibility. The same time I went on all my college visits, I went to Indiana, went to Purdue, went to Georgia Tech, I went to, um, North Carolina in the

Starting point is 00:55:28 process, Indiana, Bobby Knight, they really heavily wanted me to play for the Hoosiers. Gene Katie really heavily wanted me to play Purdue and it would have been a lot of noise if I had, if I escaped the state, being an Indiana top player. And, uh, and so Bobby Knight actually testified for me in my court case. He came in and I was shocked. You know, the judge was there and in comes Bobby Knight and he gets on the stand and he's God right now. Like this is height of Bobby Knight.

Starting point is 00:56:00 And that era that's like Jim Harbaugh sleeping over at a kid's house to recruit him. This is like even one step further. If Jim Harbaugh had three national titles or four national titles. Right. Yeah, there you go. So Bobby Knight is in on the stand and the judge literally says to Bobby Knight, he says, look, so coach Knight, if, if this kid does not play another

Starting point is 00:56:18 game of high school basketball, would you give him a scholarship? He goes most definitely right now. And that like sealed my high school fate because the judge ruled for all the other coaches saying that he doesn't need to play and sure enough, I had to sit out my senior year. So I sat out my entire senior year still practice with the team. So practice with the guys. The coach would put me on the, you know, the practice squad opposite the best

Starting point is 00:56:44 players, but we kept beating them. So that just destroyed their confidence. Right. Did you ever think about just switching jerseys with like one of the short white kids that was on the team and just going in the game with his name on the back? Long story short, I didn't play my senior year, but I was still named to the Kentucky, Indiana All-Star team.

Starting point is 00:57:02 Stop playing without playing, uh, went on to play those two games after the season and won the MVP of the, won both games and won the MVP of the All-Star game. So, you know, that was my high school ride. It was an incredible ride. So you get to North Carolina and I don't think that Dean Smith gets as much credit these days as I think you probably should because he was a hell of a coach, but I feel like he gets overlapped by a lot of the coaches that were his

Starting point is 00:57:27 contemporaries that are still coaching or that coached a little bit longer than him. But what was he like as, as a leader? He's great. Um, real father figure. I'm sure you've heard that from any Carolina guy you've spoken to that's played for him, huge, uh, you know, proponent of us being student athletes, getting a degree. You know, I got my degree.

Starting point is 00:57:45 It was so many of us, you know, graduated. And this was previous to Carolina scandals with all the academic stuff. So we actually had to take tests. No, yes. We actually went to school. You know, I was looking for that line, right? I'm going, okay, when are they saying people didn't go to school because it didn't take classes?

Starting point is 00:58:00 Cause I know I did my shit and the line kind of fell shortly there after my time there. Um, but it was, it was interesting because Coach Smith left pretty much year or two after I graduated. And, um, and, you know, but he was, man, he, he laid the foundation for me. You know, I think I, I play well with others, meaning other great players. I think it made my transition into the pros where I was able to play with, you know, legends like Larry Bird and Kevin McHale and Robert Parrish, my rookie year and feel comfortable and feel like I belonged.

Starting point is 00:58:29 And also I think it taught me how to, you know, to not have to be, have it all be about me, how to blend in with other great players, which when you get to the pros, you pretty much everyone's great. You know, it's just how can you, how can you fit in and do a role, play your role and still be effective if you're not getting the ball all the time. So I learned how to do that. And I learned how to think the game, learned how to actually be a man in the community and be responsible for myself professionally.

Starting point is 00:58:54 And, and that I think all four years that under him, a lot of kids don't get that today. Yeah. But four years on the coach, Smith, and to your point, you're right. I mean, he was the greatest college, I think greatest college coach in that era. And then that point, Mike Shyshevsky has been chasing him and obviously has gone on the coach as long as he has, if not longer, and surpassed a lot of his records and pretty much may, may definitely on par with coach Smith in North Carolina, but maybe even have surpassed him in his more when it comes to the state. But Smith then pay his players. You never got paid. Coach K pays all those guys.

Starting point is 00:59:25 That's the difference. I say we keep, I think I say we go with that rumor. Yeah. Did you play with Eric Montross? I did. I recruited Eric and played with him. He looked like a lot of fun to dunk on. I never, yes, I actually have dunked on. Yeah, he's got, he's the most dunkable college of all the way. He's got the flat top. He was a pretty good player, but every time you got

Starting point is 00:59:44 dunked on, he looked like a baby deer learning how to roll a skate where you like kind of fell down two steps after the fact. Great, great guy played. I got it. Look, one, one of the championship. Well, that's okay. Yeah, don't worry about it. This place is one of the champions. Well, if an entry comes for those of you that can't see him, well,

Starting point is 01:00:02 maybe you can't see him. Yeah, water all over the place. That's all right. I tried to dunk on Eric Montross again. Yeah, no, he, he's gone. He won a championship and went on to have, I played with him in Boston again, too. I played with him at the Celtics. They drafted him pretty high and didn't go as well.

Starting point is 01:00:21 He wasn't as, you know, when you get to the pros, you kind of, there is a certain level of athleticism that you, you have to have. Even though we've seen people obviously dominate without superior athleticism, they just have skills and they understand how to, how to take advantage of a defense or a defender. But Eric was someone that relied a lot on his height and strength and size in college and got away with it there, but couldn't get away with it in the pros. Yeah, different game.

Starting point is 01:00:46 So you get drafted by the Celtics and you are at the tail end of all the Celtics legends from the eighties. So Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, what's it like playing with guys who are, I mean, I would imagine when you show up, you're probably better than these guys because they're at the end of their career. Well, I, I sure had a heck tried them. I tried Larry Bird after practice. I tried Kevin McHale after practice, even Robert Parrish.

Starting point is 01:01:08 What was it like you're, what is it? Your fourth or fifth year when you win 16 games in 15 games, my sixth year, six year, 15. I was a captain of that ship. So what, I mean, that's got to where on you meant. Yeah. Where, where it on nine guys had surgery that year. So you were the captain of the first team ever to take the captain of the

Starting point is 01:01:25 Titanic and it was going down. Yeah. And so when that season ended, I, I, I opted out of my contract and literally they fired everyone in the front office and they hired Rick Petino. And that's when Rick Petino came in and I'm thinking to myself, well, this guy's from Kentucky, he's a pretty dang good coach. And I, you know, and he went and met with him and we talked about, you know, the future of the Celtics and you wanted me to be the captain in the future.

Starting point is 01:01:51 Did Rick take you to that Italian restaurant? He didn't. He took me to his office. You're lucky. That's probably good. Yeah. Yeah. He just got back this year.

Starting point is 01:01:57 You don't want to go to an Italian restaurant. Okay. So no, I didn't know. Okay. So then I said, I said, okay, well, we leave after a good meeting. I liked the guys and my agent calls me and he's like, what do you think? I go, well, what's the offer? And, and they said, okay, they have an $18 million offer for four years.

Starting point is 01:02:14 Sure enough, Tuesday morning rolls around and he calls me and he's like, okay, they went up a little bit. They went up to, and I go, I'm going to LA for a million dollars. He goes, are you serious? I go, yeah, call them and tell them thank you, but I'm going to LA. Got back on the plane, flew to LA and they were just stunned. They're like, who turns down $13 million dollars for $1 million dollars. Right.

Starting point is 01:02:34 And I did. And for one year, I just felt like it was the place for me to be. So I got there and then getting there, they asked me what Jersey number I wanted and I said, I'm going to wear number 17. Cause when I used to lay on the floor before all of my games in Boston, I said, look up at the rafters and they had 16 championships. And I used to always think before every game, okay, I went number 17, I went number 17 and I chose number 17.

Starting point is 01:02:57 Cause I said, I'm going to get my first championship here before they get 17. I looked at petty wars. Yeah. Petty wars, this league, baby, this league, petty, real petty. And we ended up winning three of them. So I, I imagine while you were in Boston, you got indoctrinated into the Lakers hate though, right? We weren't good enough.

Starting point is 01:03:15 Well, you gotta remember, I was a Michael Thompson fan. Yeah. So as grateful as I was to be drafted by Red Allback and to get my shot in the NBA, I was a Michael Thompson fan. James Worthy was my coach's favorite player. Right. So I, I was a James Worthy fan. Right.

Starting point is 01:03:29 So everything about me was, you know, more Laker tied than self. And you got the Laker look. And I got the Hollywood, but I didn't get the Laker name. Rick Fox is a Hollywood name. Yeah. So I, I, I just loved, I, I loved my time in Boston. I loved the city. I loved playing.

Starting point is 01:03:47 We just sucked. We didn't win. Yeah. We didn't win. And when you don't win in Boston, it's not a good place. So, so in LA, you got Kobe, you got Shaq, the start of their three Pete, the dynasty, Phil Jackson shows up. First question.

Starting point is 01:03:59 Did you read Phil's book that he gave every year? Okay. Cause we've pulled a lot of people. He gave me, he gave me John. Yeah. Some, some guys don't. Adam Morrison did Dennis Robbins said, fuck no. Um, and I was reading a story, I was reading something when researching that

Starting point is 01:04:13 you were coming in, um, that you were kind of the go-between on the team for Kobe and Shaq. Yeah. So you were like the guy for Phil to basically like Phil's like, Hey, go make sure that they like each other. Phil, I think saw, saw me as having coaching potential and someone that he would, you know, shape us to maybe be one of his assistants at some point. And there's stories behind, you know, that when it came to his time here in

Starting point is 01:04:35 New York and almost became a coach. Um, but the, you know, I think that's, he saw me as a, a veteran that could be, you know, he knew I was close with Shaq. And I think he knew that Kobe connected with me because Kobe played in Italy and, and he, he kind of, uh, you know, took, I took him under my wing or wing early on in his career. And so I became, I became the third captain, you know, for years. And I did.

Starting point is 01:04:57 I had to, I had to be the go-between at times. Yeah. And, uh, it wasn't always pretty, but Phil, the thing that Phil knew most about me was he knew that he could stir me up and that I would actually call bullshit on anything that was going on in the team. And he always, he would always tell in his books, he'd talk about every year. At some point I would stand up in a team meeting and just go off on everybody and just call it what, call what needed to be said out.

Starting point is 01:05:22 And then I look back and go, oh yeah, I remember Phil used to kind of poke me a lot and he would kind of wind me up and then at a certain point in time when he needed me to explode, he'd just say something and I'd get in the meeting and I'd just lose it. What was it like to be on a team that was just dominating? Like you guys, the West was obviously a lot better, but the East, whenever you get to the NBA finals, you know, the Pacers, the Sixers, I think Pacers twice, right?

Starting point is 01:05:47 Yeah. No, once. Paces, Paces once, then we played, uh, uh, the Sixers and then Nets. The Nets, right. Oh yeah. Jason Kidd, yeah. Kerry Kiddles, Keith Van Horn, uh, but you guys dominate them. Like it was never really a doubt.

Starting point is 01:06:01 I remember watching the finals those years and being like, there's no doubt. Indiana, Indiana was probably the best out of the three, the closest thing, but even then we knew, we knew once we got out of, got past Portland, the next, uh, you know, we knew we were going to be fine. Once we knew we got through San Antonio, we knew we were going to be fine. Yeah. And then once we got through Sacramento, those, those three, was that game rigged?

Starting point is 01:06:19 Yeah. Which one? 2002 game seven. No, not game seven. I mean, game six. No, I don't, I, I've heard that. I've heard that, but I don't. Oh, you heard that.

Starting point is 01:06:28 I've heard it from, I mean, the Tim Donnie. Yeah. Why are you sweating? For everyone who's just listening, Rick Proctor started to sweat. Well, Rick just knocked over another bottle of water on himself to cover up the sweat. Are you okay? You need something? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:06:38 You need a minute? Because what do you know that we don't know? We had Tim Donnie here on the show and he said that you were his best. Yeah. The first guy that was always making sure that that game was set up. Kingsmen still think that that was very rigged, very rigged. They were still hot about that series. Um, I always say, uh, I always say to them, there was still a game seven.

Starting point is 01:06:56 There wasn't. Yeah, there was. What about the, yeah. And you still had a chance to win. True. And it still went into overtime and a lot of shots were still missed. Yeah. It's also amazing to me how many just superstar famous people were involved

Starting point is 01:07:08 with that team. Yes. Like when you think back about the nineties, you think about Lakers. But look, the late nineties, you think about Lakers basketball. So you were on a team probably with, I think two of the most clutch performers of all time. Who would you rather have taking that last shot in a playoff? I was going to say Kobe or Ori.

Starting point is 01:07:25 Robert. Robert. Yeah. Big shot, Bob. It was never any doubt at the end of the game. He, he could have three points in that game and he had the ball. He's going to make it. The, the, the strange thing about it was Rob was the ball would find him.

Starting point is 01:07:38 Didn't matter if you drew up to play for someone else. It didn't matter if you drew up to play for him, it wouldn't go to where you think it was going to go tipped out to him. Somehow he would be standing in the one spot that the ball came to. Yeah. And I saw it at least 12 times. I mean, it was the most remarkable thing. It was like what he was put on earth to do.

Starting point is 01:07:56 Yes. Nothing else. Hit clutch shots. Hit clutch shots. Yeah. All right. You want to do the game with the last thing. So this is the seat geek questions.

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Starting point is 01:08:12 Yeah. So you, you were on, are you smarter than a fifth grader? Right. Yes, I was. How'd you do? Um, I wasn't smarter than the fifth grader. Okay. Well, we're going to give you a shot of redemption.

Starting point is 01:08:21 Okay. This is good. Yeah. All right. Three questions for a fifth grader, for Rick Fox. What is the capital of California? Sacramento. Okay.

Starting point is 01:08:30 Got it. That hurts me to say it. Yeah. Because Shaquille O'Neill used to say, you know, it's a queen's seat. Yeah. Yes. Can't say that anymore.

Starting point is 01:08:36 Yes. You did. Yes. The queen's seat. All right. What is the largest ocean in the world? Something tells me this is a trip. Nope.

Starting point is 01:08:46 It's not your question. Not your question. It's not your question. No. Don't overthink it. Don't overthink it. You're landing. No.

Starting point is 01:08:51 You know, you know this. Pacific. Yes. Pacific. Okay. We'll cut the part where you said it landed. Thank you. I got you.

Starting point is 01:08:57 Third question. Who is a better teammate? Kobe or Shaq? These are all questions. A better teammate? Yeah. Gosh, that's a tough one. Only reason I'm going to pick one.

Starting point is 01:09:12 Can you give me in what capacity? Yeah. Better player to be a teammate with. Wow. I love them both. Pick it. Oh, man. Just put in Jeff Fox when we're talking.

Starting point is 01:09:34 Yeah. I'm not smart. Yeah. I'm not smart in the fifth grade. Just do it. Just do it. Just do it. Just pick one.

Starting point is 01:09:38 You got to pick a name. All right. New game. Gun to your head. That's where we ask a question. Yeah. If there's a gun to your head. Gun to your head.

Starting point is 01:09:43 Okay. Gun to your head. Who's a better teammate? Kobe or Shaq. Yeah. Gun to your head. Did LeBron kill magic? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:09:50 Gun to your head. I don't think LeBron did. But. I'll throw the butt in there. He probably did. Magic got a gun butt to the head. Yeah. Right.

Starting point is 01:10:02 Exactly. From who? We do not know. Yeah. I don't think LeBron himself. Maybe it was one of those weird like ray guns from Space Jam 2. I think there's definitely a

Starting point is 01:10:15 difference of direction and what they should be doing there. That's a very diplomatic answer. No. Yeah. And I think that. And I think that. You were a great blue guy.

Starting point is 01:10:22 I can see why you're a good teammate. Hey, we'll talk to everybody. You see how I did between the Shaq and Kobe? Yes. Yeah. You just kind of Shaq would come to me and be like, you don't like Kobe. Who do you talk to?

Starting point is 01:10:32 Do you still talk to them? Yeah. I see Shaq a lot. I don't see Kobe as much. Okay. You're Shaq now. You're Shaq. You're Shaq.

Starting point is 01:10:38 I do have one final question. I ask a lot of actors if they would be willing to play the next James Bond. I'm not going to ask you that though. Instead, would you be willing to star in Space Jam 2? With LeBron.

Starting point is 01:10:54 Who you're better than? You went 3-in-1. I live in LA. Okay. I know it's an easy one. So we got one guy. I'm sure they're casting. Is he having trouble casting?

Starting point is 01:11:05 Yes, he's having a big time. He cannot find a single guy. John has just said that. He's going to cast his own family. That's it. Well, I can only coach. I can't play, so. That's fine.

Starting point is 01:11:13 Rick Fox will be the head coach in Space Jam 2. Boom, I've called. Boom, I've called. Rick Fox, thank you so much. Really appreciate you stopping by. Awesome stories, man. Thank you.

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Starting point is 01:13:06 this Friday, May 17th. Okay, let's get to some segments. First up, we have No One Wants to Coach the Lakers. Well, someone does want to coach the Lakers. His name is Frank Vogel, and he's already gotten cucked. Cucked in the way. Like, on the way to the job, he got cucked. In the announcement that they hired Frank Vogel,

Starting point is 01:13:25 they also said, and will be bringing Jason Kidd on the staff as his top assistant. And then they said that we're gonna have, like, all the assistants won't really have a hierarchy so that it's like the Phil Jackson style. But that's clearly not true, because they basically, I don't understand what the Lakers are doing. Their obsession with Jason Kidd is very bizarre.

Starting point is 01:13:43 Jason Kidd is a bad coach. He's got some pictures. He's a bad coach. And they tried to force Jason Kidd on Tyloo. Tyloo was like, um, no? And then they tried to force him on Frank Vogel. He's like, yes. So, Frank Vogel, you got cucked before.

Starting point is 01:13:57 You set the tone in the relationship. Yeah, it's like, you got no hands. If you're planning a wedding and your wife's like, hey, I need your best man to be laying kiffin. Yeah, sure. Right. Yeah, that'll work out. Right, this will, no way will this go poorly.

Starting point is 01:14:10 Yeah, so, uh, Frank Vogel's new coach. Did they just name Jason Kidd head coach and waiting already? Pretty much. Head coach, when LeBron decides that he hates Frank Vogel, which could be at any moment, they also had a, one of the saddest protests I've ever seen outside his table center. Shout out to all the Lakers fans.

Starting point is 01:14:27 There were literally dozens of them, uh, who showed up trying to get, I think they're trying to get Kurt Rambis fired slash Rob Polinka and Genie Buss out. I don't know. It was all very bizarre. Um, I just love that every Lakers fans are like already fed up with LeBron. Maybe not directly. You can become a Clippers fan. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:14:44 It's pretty easy. And LeBron might get traded to the Clippers. To somewhere else. Yeah. He doesn't have a no trade costs. LeBron for Kauai, straight up. Mmm. Even though Kauai's,

Starting point is 01:14:54 well, they signed him to the super max. So that's an interesting question in itself, because I don't think that Kauai Leonard's going to be that much more attracted by an extra $50 million that the Raptors are going to be able to sign him to as a super max. For Kauai, it's like, he doesn't care about money. He just want, no, he cares about, uh, being at a place where his personality can shine. He cares about having the latest software installed in his body. Yes.

Starting point is 01:15:17 It's going to be interesting though to see what happens with, well, no, actually it won't be interesting to see what happens with Frank Vogel. Frank Vogel is like, he got, he got hired to get fired. Yeah. No, when you say it's going to be interesting to see what Frank Vogel does, you don't have to finish that sentence. You're already a liar. No, I was going to say it's going to be interesting to see, uh,

Starting point is 01:15:34 how Jason Kidd coaches Kyrie Irving. Mmm. That will be interesting. That will be very interesting. That's an interesting dynamic. How long until Jason Kidd is the one that's drawing up plays on the sidelines? Yes. And Frank Vogel is just more of a CEO.

Starting point is 01:15:46 Yeah. How long until Jason Kidd has Frank Vogel bump into someone with a drink to try to get an extra time out and then be like, that was not very classy of you. That was a good, good news though. That was great. That was basically Jason Kidd's best coaching decision ever. That's why they want him on the team. Because Jason Kidd, you're really good at knocking over drinks.

Starting point is 01:16:03 Can you just hang out with LeBron all the time so he doesn't slug so much wine? Have you just slapping the wine out of LeBron's hand? Uh, Hank, question for you. How much respect would you lose for Kyrie? If he goes to the Lakers? I'm very torn on this because part of me wants me to go there. It wants me, wants him to go there just so I can root, like put all my hate into one team, but then the other part of me is scared that they'll actually win.

Starting point is 01:16:26 Yeah. That would actually be the worst. If Kyrie Irving, imagine if Kyrie Irving goes to the Lakers and the Celtics don't do anything with their roster, but like all those guys become good again and they go, they meet in the finals. That'd be amazing. I would love to see Kyrie and LeBron beat them. Did you see that would end your life? Did you see what Kyrie said after?

Starting point is 01:16:45 We'd have to drown you after the loss. Kyrie had one of those interesting quotes. He was like, yeah, you know, I'll take some time to think about this loss in the season, but first I, you know, got to get home hopefully safely to my family and spend time with them. It's like, he just kind of threw that out there. Like, you know, when you think about it, traveling is dangerous. Always. Every time you leave your house.

Starting point is 01:17:07 Every time you leave your house, the drive back from the airport, you never know what these crazies on the road. There's a measles outbreak in like six different parts of America. Yeah. So I haven't heard an update from Kyrie. Hopefully he got home safely from that loss. That's very ominous. He's like, be real shame.

Starting point is 01:17:22 His post game quotes have reached like strange philosophical. He's like, his quotes are like Mike Tomlin. If Mike Tomlin took a freshman year philosophy class from Bill Walton, he's, he just, everything he thinks is genius. He actually is kind of like brand level of annoying. Everything he says is just like, dude, shut up. You're just trying to be cool. Every time you open your mouth, shut up.

Starting point is 01:17:46 Stand up out of your wheelchair. You're fine. And you're useless at the end of the season. Oh, yes. There we go. Let's go. Okay. Let's do, we have two more things before we get to Game of Thrones recap.

Starting point is 01:17:58 We have a drunk idea. PFT, you got a drunk idea? Yeah. It's just an app that tells you how tall someone is. You point your camera at them. That doesn't seem like a good idea for you. Not for me. Oh.

Starting point is 01:18:06 Well, actually girls love guys that are under six feet tall because we live longer. Got it. Better genes. But this seems like, is this, I have for blind people? Yeah. The problem was I was at a bar on Friday and there was a guy that had to be at least seven, five. And he was like an older guy and I've never seen like a tall old guy before. And I was just looking at him and I was like, what is he like, seven, three?

Starting point is 01:18:29 And then the person I was with was like, no, he's got to be like at least seven, five. And it's impossible to tell once somebody gets over seven feet tall. Well, you can ask them. Yeah, but that's the only question they ever get. Yeah, I know. Well, no, they'd probably get to you. You play basketball. Did you play basketball in the skies?

Starting point is 01:18:42 Yeah. Or volleyball. If it was in Europe. Are you George Miken? Yeah. So I just thought that'd be a handy app to have. I don't, I think it would, that would be bad for you though, because people would, they'd say I was like five, seven and be like, what?

Starting point is 01:18:56 He keeps saying he's five, 10. No, it's weird. They wouldn't know that at all. You'd have to wear heels everywhere. No, I'm not five, seven. And I've been very clear on this app. This is a very strange app to, I feel like you can tell too. It's only for basically over seven foot people.

Starting point is 01:19:10 Yeah, exactly. So you just want to be able to tell how. It locks if it's under seven feet. So you just want an app for like the, maybe like five times a year, you see someone who's over seven feet. Yeah. To see how tall they are. Instead of asking.

Starting point is 01:19:21 And you don't want to be rude and go up and be like, how tall are you? You'd much rather do the classy thing and just point your camera at them and take a picture of them. Okay. I can't see a lot of use for this app. But that's why it was a drunk idea. That's why it was a drunk idea. That's why it's a drunk idea. Also an app that you can just point out a crowd and tell how many people are there.

Starting point is 01:19:41 Okay. In like a small area. In like a. You're just trying to win, you're just trying to, trying to win the, you know, the thing they do in like the six innings, seeing how many people are at the stadium. Exactly. Yeah. You can take a picture of a stadium and immediately like, boom, counts it.

Starting point is 01:19:53 I'm sure the military has something like that. I was going to say all of China has this. Yeah. You walk by something and they just recognize your face. Yeah. Facial recognition. You actually want like more robots to figure out every, like who everyone is. Yeah, I do.

Starting point is 01:20:06 That's not good. I trust robots more than I trust people. Okay. That's bad. That's really bad. Maybe. Um, Kauai hit that shot.

Starting point is 01:20:13 It's true. After four bounces, the quadruple doing, uh, should we do a Monday reading? Let's do a Monday reading. So we have this from, uh, Ricardo Haramillo. I think this was a s, it was a modern love college essay contest. That seems like a very specific thing to write about. So it's titled, why can't men say, I love you to each other. It doesn't count if you add bro or man to the end.

Starting point is 01:20:39 That's crazy. Yeah. Right now you've lost me. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So we'll hop around here. He starts with, I'm having L word troubles, but my troubles don't involve a lover.

Starting point is 01:20:47 There's no romance or sex in this, no flowers, candles or dancing. Why can't you send candles to your buddy? That's true or have sex with them. My L word troubles are with my boy. My best friend, Keechee. I've told him I love him probably five or six times now, but he never says it back. Is Keechee yikes? His dog.

Starting point is 01:21:06 Nope. It's his bro. It's his bro. Okay. It's his friend. When people say I love you, especially for the first time, there are a number of things they may be saying. Maybe it's, do you love me?

Starting point is 01:21:17 Or more urgently, please love me. This guy already seems a little too much. Okay. The first time it's always, yeah. Do you love me? Yeah. Do you love me back? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:21:26 Can you just say it back? With Keechee, it's not like that. I know he loves me. I feel it all the time. I don't need to ask for his love. I don't need to wonder. I tell him I love him for a simple reason. Nothing could be more true, but he doesn't say it back.

Starting point is 01:21:40 Mostly I've said it when we're leaving each other a couple of times over the phone. Once when I was drunk, that one seems weird. That was a weird one for sure. Another time when he was hurt and I was trying to be supportive. There's always silence for a moment. And then he says something like, yeah, bro, I'll catch you soon. Yeah. Well, that's what guys do.

Starting point is 01:21:58 Yeah. Listen, let me just. Like what? Your feelings? Let me interject real quick. If I could give one piece of advice to the author, it's a lot less weird and more accepted if you just Jimmy tap the guy. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:22:09 Just give him a little sack tap. That's good. Means the same thing. That's how guys say I love you. Love you too, bro. I don't need him to say those exact words to me. Kind of sounds like you do if you're writing an essay about it. Right?

Starting point is 01:22:19 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This seems like a kind of an overreaction the other way. Yes. I wonder though about what keeps him from saying them. What keeps nearly all young men from being able to tell their male friends that they love them? Good question.

Starting point is 01:22:31 I say it to millions of people every day. Every single day. He goes on. They hardly ever say it back, but that's not why I say it. He goes on. He reads my column in the New York Times. He goes on to tell a story about his childhood friend who he used to hold hands with. And then someone was like, dude, you guys hold hands and they stopped holding hands.

Starting point is 01:22:48 But anyway, he goes on. I met Keechie in the middle of my freshman year when I was once again a nervous new kid. This is just a surgery. What? Started to interrupt. But it occurred to me that guys, we invented the handshake so that we could hold hands with another guy. But it's got a definitive endpoint on it. Well, unless you're Trump.

Starting point is 01:23:07 Yeah. And then it's just you pull on it. Yeah. But it's like shake a guy's hand. The blow hug. Yeah. You shake a guy's hand. That's the cool way of being like we're holding hands.

Starting point is 01:23:14 But we're not holding hands anymore. When I love someone, I pound them and then I blow it up. Yeah. It's pretty cool. Yeah. That is really cool. If you ever do this one, the up, up, down, bump, and then. Or do you lock it?

Starting point is 01:23:28 That's almost holding hands. Yeah. Lock it. Okay. So back to the article. That was a quick, quick, quick show and tell of what you can do instead of saying I love you. So he says, I've gone through life with a rotating set of anxious tics. That year I'd become fond of swinging my university lanyard with my key in circles,

Starting point is 01:23:48 wrapping and unwrapping around my finger. When people started flowing into my dorm room, I began my nervous swing not noticing what I was doing until I heard a crack and a saw that my key had struck a stranger's iPhone screen, leaving a minor scratch. That stranger? Keechee. No, it was a guy named Fred. Oh.

Starting point is 01:24:06 No, it was Keechee. Yeah, it was Keechee. It was Keechee. Yeah. Well, I'll say this. If a stranger cracks your iPhone and you still elect to be best friends with that person, that's an emotion more powerful than love. Yeah, way more powerful than love.

Starting point is 01:24:18 The fact that you got over that massive hurdle on your very first friend date and you powered through, that's like getting herpes from a girl on your first date you go on and you end up marrying her. He keeps going on talking about his friendship with Keechee. It's pretty deep. Listen, we all have friends, deep friends, long time friends. I admire how quietly deliberate Keechee is and the balance he brings to his life. When I go to him with girlfriend problems, writing problems or any other kind of problems, some little things he says or notices always stay with me, stay with me for days.

Starting point is 01:24:47 That's better than love, dude. You have so many things that are better than love and yet you just need it. You're a little bit, a little extra. You're needy. A little extra. The codes meant follow and love are tricky. For example, while saying straight, I love you is frowned upon, something saying to another man, much love.

Starting point is 01:25:06 Who says much love or I got love for you is okay. It's like, I like you, but I'm not in like with you. These things are not okay, by the way. Saying if I walked in, it was like PFT. I got love for you, man. Hey, much love. Big K. Much love.

Starting point is 01:25:20 Hey, one. One. Number one. And that way you just get rid of your love all together. But we are talking about one love. But I just want to say, fellas, we're telling each other that we love each other now. Dude, it's 2019. You can say you love your best friend.

Starting point is 01:25:32 Yeah. It's okay. Just don't write an entire essay in the New York Times. Why doesn't Hank say I love you back to me? Hank, I love you. I don't know. He probably doesn't love you. Hank, I love you.

Starting point is 01:25:41 Don't be a Keechee, Hank. I love you guys. All right. Whoa. That was both of us. You at and don't be a Keechee. He keeps going on and on. And I don't even know where it ends up.

Starting point is 01:25:53 Basically, Keechee just fucking say love you to this guy. So he stops writing essays about you. Yeah. That's a good point. Because that's a really specific name. How you read this and you're like, oh, I fucking. Oh, Keechee. I know that guy.

Starting point is 01:26:04 How would you know he's got a friend who needs to say I love you. How would you feel if you were Keechee and your best friend wrote an article for the New York Times about how you won't tell him that you love him? Do you think that Keechee's move as he reads this and first thing he does is text or call and say I love you? Yeah. Because if it's not, I think that relationship's over. I think he's got a or maybe he has a little fun with it and just text says much love.

Starting point is 01:26:26 That's that's good. So just heart emoji and then yeah. All right. So here's the end of it. There's a part of the story I haven't admitted yet. Each time I say I love you to Keechee, it feels uncomfortable. I feel the weirdness of it in myself. That's because he doesn't say it back, dude.

Starting point is 01:26:40 That's why it's weird. The lesson is burrowed in that deep. I hesitate flinch, but in my conscious mind, I know it's what I want to say. So I try to say it. I want to say I love you to Keechee and mean just that. I don't want there to be any desire or questioning or expectation lurking inside my words. I want to love in a way that surpasses the need for affirmation for return. This is what I have come to know as a purest kind of love expecting nothing back.

Starting point is 01:27:04 Oh, well, so we're good. He loves him. Yeah, it sounds like he's comfortable with that. Oh, we're fucking good. Just don't worry about the guy. How about this, fellas, instead of saying I love you to your friends, if that makes you uncomfortable, the new code phrase that we're swapping out now is, what's up, bitch?

Starting point is 01:27:19 Yeah, or say, I don't want to be Sieb's. Yes. Yeah. There we go. I don't want to be Sieb's. I don't want to be Sieb's, bro. You're, I don't want to be Sieb's. I want to be with you.

Starting point is 01:27:29 I want to be with you. That's what you say to your bros. I want to be with you. I want to be around you. I want to be inside you. I want to smell you. Try that out with your buddies. I want to be inside you, dude.

Starting point is 01:27:40 My feelings. Hey, Hank, I want to be inside you. With love. Do you have anything to say? With love, dude. I'm talking love. Hank. Do you want to say it back, please?

Starting point is 01:27:51 Say it. I don't want to be Sieb's. No, I don't want to say. There we go. Yeah. Yeah. What's up, bitch? All right.

Starting point is 01:27:56 So it's 2019, guys. You can say I love you to each other. But if your best friend writes an entire article in the New York Times saying how he wants you to say I love you, you might need a new best friend. Yeah. Or just say it back. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:28:09 Say it back so that he stops writing it. Yeah. You don't have to mean it. He's going to write a fucking book about you, Keechee. You don't have to mean it. Just say I love you one time. Keechee, you're about to be in a fucking rom-com movie about two bros that don't love each other.

Starting point is 01:28:20 It's bad. Judd Apatow is licking his chops. You already did that. I love you, man. I love you, man. Yeah, you did. No, we're not allowed to say man afterwards. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:28:27 I love you. Bitch. Parentheses, man. Yeah. The sequel. All right. Hank, hit the music. We're going to do Game of Thrones recap.

Starting point is 01:28:34 Game of Thrones spoilers. If you haven't watched, don't listen if you have. We have something special planned for you. We start at the fiery tundra as Queen Danny McBride Targaryen took her army eastbound and down to King's Landing. Cersei Biscuit Lannister had a heart comparatively three times the size of Khaleesi's as the blonde bombshell imagined her dragon bringing thunder, thunder, lightning,

Starting point is 01:29:12 and the thunder through a crowd of innocent women and children burning the city to a ground in a touching tribute to Henry Kissinger. We now go live to Drago with a. Tyrion Lannister up. Little little darlin' steered it up, setting his brother Jaime free so he could go pork his sister one last time until Euron Greyjoy got up in his guts

Starting point is 01:29:37 on the beach. Cersei's army tried to throw in the towel, but Grey Worm didn't hear no bell leading the charge through the city like Vontess Perfect in a room full of defenseless rescuers. What? What? He could go for more back down to the streets where John

Starting point is 01:29:54 Edward Snowden was disillusioned with his governments overreaches his army advanced on surrendering soldiers running up the score to get a more favorable Ken Palm ranking for quality wins. What? What? What? That's a lot of bodies.

Starting point is 01:30:09 Some dragon. Meanwhile, back up in the castle, Kyburn did his best impression of a Netflix documentary and got thrown down a staircase. The hound took on the mountain like a Saint Bernard as the two brothers dueled to the death in a scene surely ghostwritten by Cersei's main overrated archer, Aaron Rodgers.

Starting point is 01:30:28 And folks, put out an APB for Arya Stark. Because stop me if you've heard this before. Put out famous killers on the run, riding a slow moving white Bronco. What? What? All right. Little fastest two minutes for you Game of Thrones recap.

Starting point is 01:30:43 That's probably the only fastest two minutes that we've done in two minutes. My voice is not ready for it. I just broke down there. It's the off season for us too. It's off season for us too. Let's start from the beginning. Hank, you're a fucking monster.

Starting point is 01:30:56 Me? Yes. Why? So Daenerys. Well, first of all, we should start with Varys, who gets killed right out the gun. He's the guy that has the most shit to talk about. You don't let him give his last words.

Starting point is 01:31:09 That was kind of annoying. Yeah. Well, guess what's really extra is killing people with your dragon. Like, death by dragon seems a little excessive. It's faster. A sword works. But it doesn't feel like it's, I don't know,

Starting point is 01:31:20 it feels a little cruel. And he's hairless, so he doesn't burn up. There's no like. It's like when they used to get an electric chair, and like, it didn't always work. They didn't. Yeah, I did notice they didn't put a sponge on his head before they did that.

Starting point is 01:31:30 So he probably did suffer. Didn't get a last meal. He just got killed. That dickless dude who ended up being right. It's the first meal he's missed in his life though. Yeah, it's true. Because Daenerys, Daenerys, how do you say her name? Daenerys.

Starting point is 01:31:43 Daenerys is on one. She is mad. She is triggered. She is very mad online. She is like, you know, when you get older and you get that moment where you start copying what your parents do, but you don't realize it, you're like, one day you're young and the next day you're like,

Starting point is 01:32:01 man, these games have too many timeouts. Or, oh man, these guys, they're dunking too much. Why don't they lay it up? That is what Danny did, except instead of complaining about like too many commercials, she just blew up the whole fucking city. Because that's what her dad wanted to do. She did.

Starting point is 01:32:17 Pretty much. But, but Big Cat, I'm kind of on Team Hank here, because Cersei did that to her own people. Well, she could have given it up. She's too much pride. Not fully. Even till the very end, she's like, you know what she was doing? It was a 2019 version of that Hitler movie

Starting point is 01:32:35 where he's in the bunker. He's like, no, no, that's fine. I've got my army around the city. It'll be fine. And then she was slowly coming to the realization that she fucked up big time. Wait, but what are you talking about? She, they basically gave up.

Starting point is 01:32:46 They dropped all their swords. But that she did. They fucking surrendered. She did not give the surrender. But they still surrendered. They literally, all the all the guys dropped their swords. The fight was over. They're like, we're done.

Starting point is 01:32:58 We're outmatched. You can't show up to a football game. That whole scene happened. If a team, if a team against Alabama is getting blown out, they're not just going to like quit halfway through the game. You don't take a knee in the third quarter. I agree. Exactly.

Starting point is 01:33:09 You show up for battle. You got to fucking battle. This is exactly why the Mad King was the Mad King. He wanted to blow up the entire of King's Landing. That's exactly what he wanted to do. That's why he did that in a losing effort. Dude, she did what her dad was trying to do, kill all the innocent people.

Starting point is 01:33:25 She murdered everyone. Here's my question to you, big cat. Would Cersei have shown that kind of mercy to Dany? What are you talking about? And her people, if Cersei were invading wherever, wherever Dany lives, I don't know, like her fucking weird castle with like a room for a dragon.

Starting point is 01:33:40 If Cersei's invading that town, do you think that Cersei would have mercy on Dany's soldiers? She already did. She showed up in the last, in episode four. She showed up with her dragon in her whole army and Cersei could have killed them right there. I know she could have. Yeah, she could have.

Starting point is 01:33:56 She was sitting there with all those fucking boys and girls. I don't think that Cersei would have shown the mercy that you're expecting from Dany. But agreed. Hold on. Thank you, Hank. Wait, hold on. I agree with Hank too.

Starting point is 01:34:06 Okay, hold on. She did in the last episode. Your queen went out crying like a little bitch. No, I'm not mad. I'm mad because you think that she's like this just ruler and she just showed that she's exactly like her dad. Targaryen is just ruler. Flip a coin.

Starting point is 01:34:19 Targaryen's are fucking psychos. Exactly, but that's why your team Targaryen, one's crazy, one's good. And then she bit that one. She's crazy. She proved that she was crazy. One is crazy, Dany. One is good.

Starting point is 01:34:29 Jon. Oh, so you're okay with the crazy, but you want also the good? So wait, you're rooting for who? I'm team Targaryen. So, no, they're not the same. Aidan Targaryen is Jon Snow. No, they're not the same.

Starting point is 01:34:40 Yes, what do you mean? No, he is a Targaryen. I'm team Targaryen. Yeah, okay. So you want her to just kill everyone? I want the Targaryens to be ruling at the end. Got it. So she did bitch out though, like big time.

Starting point is 01:34:51 She pulled a Saddam Hussein. It was like hiding out in a little spider hole at the end on the ground. Although she didn't want to at the beginning. I don't even know if she's dead. Everyone's saying she's dead. She's had a castle that fell on her face. Wait, but aren't you the king of

Starting point is 01:35:04 if they don't die in front of your face or not dead? I'd make an exception when a castle falls on your head. What about you? What about you're on Greyjoy? Is he dead? I forget what happened. Yeah, he's dead. He didn't die in front of our face.

Starting point is 01:35:15 But he got stabbed center mass. The same as Theon. No, Theon got stabbed. Theon got stabbed in his appendix. Keep going. Possibly still alive. You're on coming back when Jaime was walking up. That was probably, I feel like everyone in the world

Starting point is 01:35:27 collectively groaned when he just showed up and was like, oh, Jaime, let me stab you 10 times and you're just going to walk away. He's just swimming out of the ocean like, hey, here I am, guys. Even though he got blown up by a dragon. By the way. Tyrion's the biggest stitch of all time.

Starting point is 01:35:40 Tyrion deserves to die. How far was that swim? I reckon it was probably a few miles. He was wearing body armor. How about, Danny, just finally now realizing you can just blow shit up with dragons? Where was this? This is a problem I have with how the last season is gone.

Starting point is 01:35:57 She just all of a sudden is like, I'm just going to blow everything up. And Hank, she's supposed to be the just ruler. She's the freer of people. She just murdered everyone. No, but she said it in the episode. She's like, aren't you worried about all the innocent people? She said, it's not about these people.

Starting point is 01:36:10 It's about all the people of the future that we're going to save. You know what's kind of crazy if you just think of like. You've got to think of the long game. Do you think of dragons as being like an allegory for the atomic bomb? Yeah. It's like, hey, whoever has one of them,

Starting point is 01:36:21 they can rule the entire world if nobody else has one. Yes. And then all of a sudden, someone else is going to get one. And now we're all fucked. All right, what else you got, Hank? Arya's going to kill Danny, by the way. I wrote, Tyrion equals dumb fuck. Oh, seriously, it's a degenerate,

Starting point is 01:36:37 because when she's dying, that's a classic degenerate move. Like, oh, no, no, we're good. The walls are coming. It's like, no, those are breach. It's like, no, no, no, we've got a golden company. She couldn't believe it, she was in shock. But she was like, she had that degenerate gambling life. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:36:49 Oh, if I keep it, if I keep it going, it's still going to work out. What was up with the mountain, like being able to survive all that stuff? He's basically the monster from Frankenstein. He was like Paul Pierce. He took like nine swords. He could, he, that's so fucked up. But then he put, no, but then he came back and he like,

Starting point is 01:37:08 and then he put one in his eyes. Polaris. Polaris. He just got tossed down the stairs. That guy sucks too. I'm happy he died. The cocaine bowl, will you, will you please tank? Yeah, I don't really care about that that much.

Starting point is 01:37:18 That was definitely, that was like a fan thing that I was never like. What's that? The, the hound versus the mountain. Your brothers. So like it was, it was beautifully shot the way it was like the dragon came flying by during it and they both went out like into a fiery, like the episode was visually

Starting point is 01:37:32 and musically once again delivered. Very good. How is Danny going to be able to rule? Like she's going to have, she's going to have some problems like Jon Snow is not happy with her. She's going to need like Tony Dungey to rehab her image. Ari is going to kill. Advise her.

Starting point is 01:37:44 Yeah, Ari is going to kill. Ari seems like she's on a mission. Or Ari is going to try to kill her, get killed, and then Jon's going to kill her. If Ari gets killed, the internet writes. It's, I mean, she's going to. Ari is not going to survive. No.

Starting point is 01:37:57 She's, I mean, she's the one everyone's kind of rooting for now. So long as Davos lives, I'll be good. I also, it felt like one of those episodes that they could have, like it could have been like 45 minutes, they kind of stretched it out. A lot of the season has felt like they've just been stretching it out as far as they can possibly go. How about, by the way, Aria being like, hey, you can't stay here

Starting point is 01:38:16 and then she just runs those poor people into the Dothraki. She's like, you can't stay here. And she walked that lady out in the beginning. That was the lady she walked out. Yeah. It's bad to her guys. She's killing everyone. Let's see.

Starting point is 01:38:28 I did feel like they stretched out like Aria running around. How many different hallways can she get lost in over the course of the last like 15 minutes? She was just covered in soot. Just running around. That horse scene took a while, too. Do you think that, so you guys both think Cersei and Jamie died? I mean, I agree, but it is like the classic.

Starting point is 01:38:48 We didn't see them die. No, they died. There's one episode left. There's one episode left. I know. That's kind of a shitty way for Cersei to die. Like she's the central part of the whole thing. And she dies from a couple of rocks falling out of her head.

Starting point is 01:39:01 Like a little bitch. Oh, wow. OK. That's your queen, right? Yeah, because she's been the same. She's been the same person from day one. She doesn't fucking go mad like Danny did. Maddie, Danny has been like that the whole entire show.

Starting point is 01:39:15 Oh, you're so wrong. You're so wrong. She was the freer of the people, dude. She's she mother of dragons. She literally went from city to city trying to free the slaves. And now she's like, I don't give a fuck about the poor people. She literally just blew up all the poor people. You cannot say you can root for all you want.

Starting point is 01:39:31 But don't tell me she hasn't done a heal. And if so, it's written for her. I'm team Tard. Oh, my God. So who do you want to win? A Targaryen. No, you have to say which one. I mean, Jon, obviously.

Starting point is 01:39:43 That's such a boring ending, though. Like Jon Snow, the good guy that kind of sucks and is not good at expressing his emotions, ends up sitting in the on-dron. And he doesn't even want it. Doesn't even want it. Doesn't even want it. I think it's either guy.

Starting point is 01:39:54 I think it's got to be Bran. It's crazy there's one more episode. Yeah, it is crazy. It feels like they rushed it. No matter what happens, people are going to be very upset at the last episode. Oh, yeah. There's no way to end it to make everybody happy.

Starting point is 01:40:06 We also had, I'm trying to think of what else. Oh, yeah, the Hound. Aaron Rodgers let down. Aaron Rodgers died. He was on the losing team. That made me happy. Didn't show up. Barely shown up.

Starting point is 01:40:17 Who else? Who else, Hank? I'm trying to think of what else happened. Grey Worm went hammer time. Like once they got, I mean, you said it in the recap. It was funny when Jon was trying to stop people when they were just killing each other. He was like, oh, no, no, guys, stop.

Starting point is 01:40:31 He was like, no, bro, this is my life. That was a classic Jon Snow. I didn't get my dick caught up. Yeah, Grey Worm's like, I didn't get my dick cut off for nothing. Jon Snow was like slow motion, half paying attention, and like guys were just walking up to him, and he wasn't even paying attention,

Starting point is 01:40:41 and just sliced him in half. Yeah, dude, he's the best. That was Jon Snow in a nutshell for me. He didn't even want to kill people. He saw war crimes happening, and he was like, we shouldn't be doing this war crimes. And then he was like, everybody else is doing war crimes, so I guess I got to do it.

Starting point is 01:40:56 No, he saved that one girl. Saved one girl, yeah. That counts. I guess. But then she got blew up by a dragon. Well, yeah, that's everyone. Literally everyone got blown up by a dragon. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:41:06 By Hank's Queen. The one issue I have with the dragon stuff is some of them. She also blew up her own soldiers. Yeah, she's fucking mad. She doesn't trust Jon anymore. She's psycho. What don't you understand?

Starting point is 01:41:20 I kind of like that, though. She's insane. Dude, she's been left for dead. But PFT, the whole entire show, is built off of how the mad king, her dad, was like the worst ruler and wanted to blow up all his own people in King's Landing. And then we get to this point, and she does exactly what her dad, the mad king, did.

Starting point is 01:41:40 And it's like, his true repeats itself, Targaryens are assholes, and they blow everyone up. That part is to be fair to me. I did not know that, because that wasn't included in the 16 minute recap. I know, yes. So that's what Hank's rooting for me. Basically, the whole setup is just like,

Starting point is 01:41:54 this guy is the worst guy. He tried to blow up all his people, then they had a revolution against him. Now we're back to square one. I just like that she's got those eyebrows and the blonde hair. It's just cool to see her watching, like riding on a dragon. She shouldn't have her braids.

Starting point is 01:42:08 Her hair was a mess. Let's say you had two of your children got murdered. Your closest advisor slash friend zone, king of the friend zone, Jorah, died fighting for you. Melisandre murdered. The person who you're in love with actually has the most rightful claim to the throne, and people like him more than you.

Starting point is 01:42:26 So you have no allies. You have no friends. They're all dead. Your lovers, your cousin, or your nephew. Tell me you won't go crazy. By the way, Jon Snow should get some of this blame, because if he just had sex with her, she probably wouldn't have gone crazy.

Starting point is 01:42:38 Exactly. Yeah, actually, that's a very good point. Just sack up and fuck your aunt and save millions of lives. And she would not have gone crazy. It's like, put your money where your mouth is. You can flip out while you watch a city burn and be like, we shouldn't be doing this, or you can just squeeze off a nut the night before.

Starting point is 01:42:53 Just fuck your aunt. With Auntie Danny. Yeah, just 69 with your aunt, and you could save literally millions of lives instead of just standing there being like, no, guys, this is too far. And he's not horny enough. I hate Jon Snow. I hate Jon Snow.

Starting point is 01:43:04 I'm only rooting for the Starks. I have one dumb question about Game of Thrones. I'm good for one of these every single episode. Jon Snow's a Stark, too. I mean, he's a part Stark. So, whoa, wait. You just got yourself a little pickle, my friend. You talk too much.

Starting point is 01:43:20 How? I'm rooting for Targaryens and the Starks. Team Targ. He's hedging his bets. He's found a way to root for everyone. That's ridiculous. I just root for the storylines. Insane.

Starting point is 01:43:29 My question is, does anybody in Game of Thrones ever go on vacation anywhere? What do you mean? It just seems like everybody's always working. Melisandre and Grey Worm had that one planned. Her name's not Melisandre, so please stop saying that. Miss Sandy? Yeah, Melisandre is the red woman.

Starting point is 01:43:43 True. Wow. Wow, I just dunked on you, Hank. OK, I don't know what that means. I mean, Hank is the king of saying that I mispronounce everything, and he just mispronounced a person's character for a totally different person's name.

Starting point is 01:43:56 That's the way they planned a vacation? Yeah. Just never got around to it? That's pretty relatable. She got her head cut off. Extremely relatable. It puts everything into perspective. Next time you complain about travel delays,

Starting point is 01:44:08 like your plane doesn't go off in time, just remember that Grey Worm and Miss Sandy were about to go off to a vacation and she got her head cut off. That was my other note. Golden Company, worse investment of all time. Yeah, well, you can't hire swords like that. They're not going to fight the same way.

Starting point is 01:44:22 So half those guys that were fighting were hired swords. Oh, OK. Yeah, they're mercenaries. Why do you call them swords? They call them hired swords. Cell swords. Also, where the fuck was the brawn now that we're talking? Oh, yeah, that guy.

Starting point is 01:44:35 I guess he just disappeared. Where was Bran this whole episode? He was probably just blotting something. He was fucking wheelchair trying to talk to people, riddles and shit. Still underneath the tree? Like, hey, Bran, what do you want for dinner? He's telling riddles to an owl.

Starting point is 01:44:45 Well, the three-eyed raven sees it all. Sees everything for dinner. Like, bro, I just wanted to know if you wanted tater tots or not. Why didn't Arya try to change into somebody that was, like, right next to Cersei? I think they just forgot about she can do that. Yeah, and she also has to kill someone first for that to happen.

Starting point is 01:45:01 And there were only, like, two people next to Cersei at this point. Oh, she has to have killed them already. And then she can take the first. She could go take Kyburn's little smashed skull. That was so funny. God damn it. That little bitch.

Starting point is 01:45:12 He just got tossed. Also, I mean, people have been shitting on their writers this year for not having sourced material and not being original. The fact that they had to go back to the well for the eye thing, that was a little, you know. Which one? Oh, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:45:23 Like him smashing his eyes out. It was, like, it worked one time, but, you know. Either way, last one coming up next week, I don't know. I don't even know what to make of it anymore. I mean, Dany just went mad. She went crazy. She's tired. Whatever happens.

Starting point is 01:45:37 You cut off one of her friend's head, and then all of a sudden, she blows everyone up. Well, it seems a little excessive. No, she's just like us. If your best friend's head got cut off, you would be pretty irrational if your nephew wouldn't fuck you. Kill everyone. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:45:50 Yeah, to get on your dragon, kill everyone. By the way, one little shout-out to, is it Drogon that's still left? Yeah, that guy, he's meant to do a lot of shit. That was an MVP performance. Yeah, but it's kind of fucked up. Like the whole team on his back, dude. It's like being the robot.

Starting point is 01:46:06 PFC's a robot guy. It's like being the drone. It is. You didn't want to kill everyone. Right. You just told what to do. Did anybody else press the button? Liberating a country.

Starting point is 01:46:15 We're being greeted as liberators? This is now, you're all the way in here. Yeah. Hank is now literally, Hank, you would love our tactics It's actually called Operation King's Landing Freedom. We'll just blow everyone up and then they'll become our subjects. They'll love democracy once we kill all their people. Team Targ.

Starting point is 01:46:35 OK. All right, see you guys on Wednesday. Love you guys, bro. Much love. This is Jon Snow. So I assume, my lord, you're here to bend the knee. I am not. Our two houses were allies for centuries.

Starting point is 01:47:00 You've traveled all this way to break faith with House Targaryen. Honour the pledge your ancestor made to mine. Bend the knee and I will name you Warden of the North. By declaring yourself king of the northernmost kingdom, you are an open rebellion. I mean no offence, you're graced, but I don't know you. Am I your prisoner? Not yet.

Starting point is 01:47:33 I put my trust in you, a stranger. I'm asking you to trust in a stranger. What do you think of her? Who? I believe you know of whom I speak. And she's a good heart. A good heart. The most hysterical heart.

Starting point is 01:48:18 I don't need your permission. I haven't given you permission to leave. I don't need your permission. I hope I don't return. At least you won't have to deal with the king in the north anymore. I've run used to him. He told me to do nothing before and I listened to him. I'm not doing nothing again.

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