Pardon My Take - AL Cy Young Winner Tarik Skubal, Rex Ryan, An Awesome Snow Game On TNF, Week 12 Picks And Preview + Fyre Fest

Episode Date: November 22, 2024

Life is complete now that we got Jameis Winston in the snow. We talk Thursday Night Football and the Steelers loss that shouldve been a win and where theyre headed (00:00:00-00:13:03). Week 12 Picks and Preview including an animal duel in the NFL (00:13:03-01:13:16). Picks and TD Parlay (01:13:16-01:18:14). Fantasy Fuccbois (01:18:14-01:23:57). Detroit Tigers Ace and Cy Young Winner Tarik Skubal joins the show to talk about his season, being a Hoss, his mom yelling at him for being a Hoss, and he gives tips to Max on pitching (01:23:57-01:56:09). Rex Ryan joins the show to talk football, Coaching the Jets again, what makes the Lions special, and tons more (01:56:09-02:35:08). We finish with Fyre Fest of the Week and a Presidential address from Pug (02:35:08-02:50:40).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take

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The crown is yours. Today is Friday, November 22nd, and God damn it, PFT, I didn't know that my life was incomplete, but it is now complete because I get to watch James Winston play football in the snow. The horse is preparing for battle, but victory comes from the Lord.

Yes. James Winston, November 21st, 2024. Horses don't really prepare for- Oh, horses do. Horses know. Oh, no, horses are like, what the fuck? Why the hell am I here? No, a good horse. I wish I was running in a race

or just in a field somewhere. A good horse knows. Like, you know a good horse knows when it's gonna race, right? Yeah, I don't know. Horses are like, fuck this, man. I don't wanna get stabbed by something. No, I think if you have a horse

that's got a dog in it, it knows. Yeah. So we got to watch Jamis play in the snow. Uh, it was for the, for the like fourth quarter, it was going to be the most stealer shit possible. And by that, I mean they looked like dog water for the entire like first half, their offense couldn't do anything. Uh, then they get a touchdown, then they get a fumble, then they get another touchdown. You're like, holy shit. We like just continuing the conversation of the Pittsburgh Steelers every single year where it's like, I don't, I think they're good, but I don't think they're good, but they're really good. I think they're really good still, but we saw this coming on Sunday night when we talked

to the pod. We said Thursday night against the Browns let down. Now, by the time that we can actually rolled around at that point, I flipped back on myself and thought maybe the Steelers can do it. But yeah, the classic let down spot. This is a Brown Super Bowl. And also shout out to the lake. The lake came to play tonight. The snow was, it was gorgeous.

It was artistic out there. They're trying to take snow football away from you. They're trying to build a dome in Cleveland and that's not going to look right at all. Seeing the Browns playing good weather, like indoor weather and late November, December, maybe January. That's not going to look right to me. But yeah, it's simultaneously like the most Pittsburgh shit ever. And also the most Brown shit ever in that fourth quarter. Jamis with what appeared to be a backbreaking interception. I don't know if he could see the Pittsburgh defensive players. He was wearing white jerseys and white out conditions. He was making crazy throws, scrambling out of the pocket. His helmet was falling apart. And then at one point he just kind

of didn't see a defensive player like old school Jamis. Yeah. Hit him with a perfect pass, but it was a great game. It was a lot of fun to watch. Yeah. He was full Jamis, uh, with the, with the scramble for the touchdown, then the interception, which we all saw coming. Cause you Jamis, when he throws an interception, he like, he builds up the confidence to throw it in that he will almost throw an interception on the, on like a couple of plays in a row. And then he'd be like, all right, now I'm ready. I'm just going to throw the interception now. He was like, all right, can I do this? Can I do this? Yeah. I'm going to throw the interception on the on like a couple plays in a row and then he'd be like all right now I'm ready I'm just gonna throw the interception now he's like all right can I do this can I do this yeah I'm gonna throw the interception I agree the weather they're trying to take this from us this is what this is what

they're trying to take from us the Kurt Warner's of the world the Pete Prisco's of the world our good friend Pete Prisco decided to do the the football in the elements sucks tweet, uh, then close his replies. Sad stuff from our guy, Pete Prisco. We got to remember to bring that up next time. That game was awesome. And the, and the winter in the, in the snow was awesome. I, I'm going to push back a little bit on the Steelers being really good. I don't know if they are. I think they're good. I think that the Steelers in a, uh, a normal home game

As opposed to an away game in the snow. It's it's different. It's different. But what explain this their offense look like shit in the first half There's no snow. They they did look like shit and I just don't know I like Russell Wilson can do some things but I also am just I don't know. I don't know if I trust them In a big and I know they can beat the Ravens because they always beat the Ravens, but well, Dana Lofsky says that you can't beat the Ravens kicking only field goals. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know if they can. Yeah, that's true. So I, I know, I think what, what the root of my thinking that the Steelers are really good is, is the fact that they've had just terrible looking offenses the last couple of years, and we've all thought to ourselves

with this defense and some of the pieces they have on offense, if they just get good quarterback play, they'll be an awesome team. And now for the most part, I don't think that Russell Wilson is a bad quarterback. I think he's probably average, maybe a little bit above average and he loves throwing the ball to George Pickens, keeps him involved. He spreads the ball around, uses the middle of the field sometimes, which is better than what you can say for the Steelers for the last like three, four years. So I think what I'm in love with is the fact that they do have that average to

sometimes good quarterback that they were missing. I'll I'll make a deal with you here. I think, uh, I'm comfortable saying the Steelers are pretty good. Okay. Really feels. Yeah, I think they're pretty good. I think they're pretty good. Can I talk you up to they're really pretty good. Really good plus no, that would be another pretty good plus pretty good plus pretty good plus I could do pretty good. I can meet you a pretty good plus about really pretty good plus kind of

sometimes. Yeah. If you add a sometimes I'm okay with that home post-renewal really pretty good plus sometimes. I don't think there's ever every now and then I don't think there's ever been a coach who's better at coaching football, like, uh, like getting his, getting his team ready and holding them to the high standard of the standard while also simultaneously being the biggest idiot when it comes to the end of half scenarios. And end of games. I mean, that was, yeah, that w that was crazy. Mike Tomlin, the back and forth with the penalty.

I don't know why you, why you, uh, decline that penalty or accept that penalty. Sorry. Like, or yeah, yeah, he accepted it. They went to, they went from fourth and two to third and seven, the Browns, I declined it twice. Yeah. And then he accepted it. The Browns were clearly very hesitant to kick because their kicker stinks and missed a bunch of kicks last week and it was bad weather. Put the pressure on them, have it be a fourth and two, and then he accepted the penalty. So they get third and seven, and then he takes a timeout that he had no reason to take. And

then you're in a situation where a first down kind of just like burns all the time. It was just, it was a debacle. I also didn't really understand fourth and two putting Justin Fields in the, in the game to throw the, or no, sorry, that was third and two because they did end up punting with his bad pun, putting Justin Fields to throw a deep ball to George Pickens. Like that's Russ's ball. I don't know. The end of the first half to the timeouts. Yeah. Make a lot of sense. Yeah. Yeah. Where he was like, he kind of always is like halfway in halfway out. Yeah. He didn't know if he wanted and he wanted more time on the clock. We got it back. The timeouts were really strange. I would much rather have a coach that was like that than the other way around. Yeah. That could not motivate

his team. But then during the games managed the game really well with a shitty team. Yeah. Like putting whipped cream on shit. Mike Thomas, a really good coach, but there was, there were, this was a winnable game that I think the Steelers are going to be very upset when they look back at because they have some really tough games left because they have to play the Bengals who are obviously still fighting for their life and fighting for their life since week one. Uh, a Browns again, then Eagles Ravens, chiefs and Bengals to finish tough. This could be the game where they look back and they're like, what the fuck was that? We should have won that game. We could have won that game. And it's the

difference between winning the division and being like a six seed or something. Yeah. Getting a home playoff game would be huge for Pittsburgh. Yeah. And so I, I, that was, that was disappointing for Steelers fans, disappointing, especially given the schedule coming up. I'm going to, I think I'm going to stay strong and saying that they're really know they're pretty good plus sometimes. The one thing that does concern me with the Steelers, their defense, they have a very good defense. TJ hasn't really been anywhere to be seen

for the last couple of weeks. Miles Garrett was a beast. And Miles Garrett was really good. But you know what I'm saying, like TJ, yes, he was getting double teamed a lot. He was getting chipped. He was, they were keeping the tight end a lot to give two guys on him. But still I feel like TJ watt has not, he hasn't been playing up to

TJ watt standards the last couple of weeks. Yeah. And credits to the Browns, uh, because a team that quits felt, felt like the Browns had kind of quit to have a game like that against your rival. That's still fun. Oh yeah. In the snow. So memorable prime time, national audience snow, Jamis, Bryce Underwood went to Michigan like an hour before kickoff. Yep. So, uh, Indiana is going to come in and to Columbus and that, that's a, that's like a, that's a scary proposition just because Ohio state, if they win, everyone would be like, well, yeah, you're supposed to be the Indiana. And if they lose like, holy shit, Ryan Day,

yeah, everything's falling apart. It doesn't cat. This is not counted under Ryan Day can win the big one if he wins. Yeah. But if he loses, then it's Ryan day can't win the big. Yeah. Yeah. So so it was good for the Browns to show some fight. Yeah. Miles Garrett was ever in. James is just fun in the snow is fun. His pregame speech. Actually, there were two of them. There's now that we get two pieces of content from Jamis before every game. One of him talking to his team, one of him talking to a reporter. Yeah. And the one where he was talking to the reporter before the game, Kaylee Hartong, he started off super serious, super serious laser focused in then halfway through something hit him. It looked like he, so it looked like he took ecstasy and he just woke up and started smiling and laughing. I was, I just love Jamis Winston. We need more Jamis. This was a good night for Browns fans. This was your super bowl. And if you don't win any other games for the

rest of the year, guess what? This, this one you'll remember forever. And shout out, uh, all the shirtless, like very fat Browns fans. Those guys rocked there. It felt like there were a hundred of them in the stands tonight. Those are like the true, those are what we mean when we say football guys. Those are what we mean when we say like, you know, Rust Belt Cleveland, those guys were fucking awesome. Yeah. And they were just, there were so many, that one guy had a, had like a little stickers on his nipples, which I liked keeping it classy for the kids. I like that kids are watching. But again, they're going to try to put more domes on

stadiums. Yeah. And one day, we're not going to have snow football anymore. Everything's going to be sterile and indoors and we'll look back and all us old timers will say to the young kids, like, you know, they used to play football outdoors in the snow. Yep. And then the kids will be like, Oh, that's so old. You guys are so old. They'll think of that the same way that we think of like playing baseball at the, uh, at, uh, the polo grounds with like 500 feet to dead away center field. It's going to be a sad day. Kurt Warner is going to be just spinning, smiling. Uh, okay. Let's kick it to ourselves. We've got weekend preview.

Then we have AL Cy Young winner, Tarek Scoobel, which was an awesome interview. And uh, Rex Ryan, which also was awesome. He's going to be the Jets head coach again, I think. Uh, let's kick it to ourselves okay before we get to the weekend preview game time football season is here and we can't wait to get out to some games this fall with the help of game time the official ticketing partner Barstool Sports you know how much we love game time now with their brand new game time picks feature to make it even easier to get to a game game time picks filters out the fluff to show you only incredible deals on great seats so you don't have to waste time searching through

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Oh, of course. I expect there to be chaos, but on paper, like I was struggling to figure out what TV is going to have sound on Sunday. So what's crazy is the Cowboys are gonna have the A-Team for broadcasting. Right. Who do they play?

They're playing the commanders. Oh, so that should be sound. That should be sound. I mean, if we wanna listen to Greg Ol to listen to Greg Olson, I was well, I was thinking I Was seeing lines of Colts So lions at Colts is gonna be interesting just to see how I think that the Lions are just gonna beat the fuck out of The Colts this week. Okay. Well, let's start with that game. Let's hop right into it. All right, so lions at Colts I have the lines. I wrote down the lines this time

All in DraftKings sportsbook lines of Colts Colts plus seven and a half over under 50 and a half bang there we go The Lions are the third best team in DVO a history. I saw of all time I saw so they went back and I don't know how they do it on the computer They just have the computer watch film for all the old teams. I don't know. I think Aaron Shash just watches all the film I think he just has like an AI scraper that goes back to the NFL films library and just watches and tells you what to but whatever it is, third best in NFL history through 10 games. So there's still some season

left. They're behind only the 2007 Patriots and the 1991 Redskins. That's where the lines that's how good these lines have been offensively. Yeah, I Actually think the Colts are gonna be in this game. Okay, Hank I'm staying away. I'm staying away. Um Listen, I the Lions are the best team the NFL. I'm not gonna you know, pretend that that's not the case Alex and Zaloni being out. Where the green dot, is now their second obvious you know big time starter that's out with Hayden Hutchinson, been out for a while. I think Anthony

Richardson, I don't know, I was impressed with how he played against the Jets. Shane Steichen feels like maybe he's, that time sitting down helped him. Shane Steichen having him run a little bit more, it's going to be a little bit a little bit harder when you have a dual threat quarterback and your green doc guy is out. I know that the we're going to talk to Rex Ryan about the Lions and he makes a really good point about how they get all their players involved and bought in. I don't think the Colts are going to win this game, but I think they're going to keep it close and it might be the dumbest thing ever. But I'm actually no, I haven't, I haven't been bad. I had the Texans against the Lions, Texans covered. I had the Lions last week against the Jaguars. They killed them

So it's not like I've been going trying to go, you know, ooh, I'm going against the Lions I just think seven and a half Colts really need these games Lions are really really good, but it's hard to play a whole football season and dominate everyone. Yes, Hank. Does this go against, I feel like it goes against a lot of what you've said about Anthony Richardson in the Colts up to this point. Correct.

I said last week, he looked great after sitting for two weeks and it felt like Shane Steichen had that good balance of how to use him correctly. So maybe he's a different guy. Like maybe he's getting better. Run the football, run the football, and then throw a deep pass. Yeah, like he, that was a game winning drive against Jets. I'm not, just because I have a take doesn't mean

I can't be, no, no, no, I'm not going to you. I'm not going to you. I'm saying just because, whoa. Whoa. I'm not, I'm not. I'm telling you, just because I have a take doesn't mean I can't change it if he starts to be better. Agreed.

So I thought that was a very impressive game against the Jets. And maybe they're starting to figure things out with Anthony Richardson. Yeah, so the key is going to be if they can run the ball. If Jonathan Taylor can run the ball. I forget how many touches he had last week. It wasn't nearly enough. Like they need to be successful long term. Jonathan Taylor has to run the football. And they're going to try to do that against the Lions. The problem The Lions defense is very very very good against the run now is the lonely being out that makes a big difference Yeah, that we'll see how they who's gonna fill in for me. That could be Rodrigo might be Let's see. They have another guy. I don't know where the green dot

And again, the Lions are really really good. Their offense is a problem Like this could be a game we turn on and the Lions just do what the Lions do and just dominate them from start to finish. I just think this is one of those situations. The Colts have their back against the wall. They look at the playoff picture. They got to win some of these games down the stretch. And it's a little bit of if the Lions keep blowing everyone out, like

everyone's going to be like, oh, well, that's easy. Market is a win. Yeah. Minus seven and a half. The Lions are my until further notice team yeah but again they notice i'm going to assume that the lions will beat anybody that was like a historically bad game from jerry goff too can i still one no hungry dog for this no i thought i could maybe get you enticed no oh you've been burnt by the cults with the hungry dog too and the Lions like after last week. I I got Beyond burned pants So I'm just gonna stay away. I like Jaguars are really bad. You're gonna like the hungry dog this week. Oh

interesting so bears Maybe mmm, definitely Definitely, maybe Definitely. Did you see everyone all the Lions or a couple of Lions players changing their Instagram avatar to Dan Campbell wearing the biggest pads ever in high school? No. Look it up. Look it up, Max.

It's the funniest picture. They are the biggest pads I've ever seen in my life. And I mean, Dan Campbell looked like a beast. There's a picture too of Dan Campbell from his basketball team in high school and he's just outfitting the coaches. He's got his hands on the coach's shoulders in the team picture. It is crazy that people used to play football in those pads as recently as like when we were kids.

There it is. The one all the way in red, the one in red. Yeah, that's pretty good. No, that one. Yeah, look at those. Those were the biggest pads I've ever seen. That looks like when Tom Brady would put that giant coat on on the sidelines when it was too cold outside. And then click on the basketball picture kids underneath. Yeah. Yeah, he's like inspector gadget Click on the basketball. Look at that. He's a team basketball photo. He's just he just got his arms on both of the coaches shoulders The coach yeah. Yeah, he's just been an alpha from day one. I love that. Yeah, I love it

I know die for my again. I could be foolish. I'm not it's not like who I think I see something wrong with the Lions The Lions are just really fucking good I just seven and a half is a lot of points and maybe the Colts can keep it close until further notice I would be betting on the on the Lions what they'd show me otherwise It also would be on brand for the Lions to do this the week after right? I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm staying away, but it would like are you starting to say the NFL makes no sense again No, I'm just saying it wouldn't it would it would be it's fitting What you're saying and I agree with and if you're if you've been watching the NFL for a very long time

You have to remind yourself this over and over and over and over and over again You're never as good as you were last week. You're never as bad as you were last week That's just how you have to look at every single game What are you gonna do for Colts tickets? So Colts tickets, what should we do? Biting, maybe a Colts fan that can bite their own kneecap? What about a Colts fan who can show us a picture in the biggest pads they have? Old school, high school? Yeah.

Okay. I want to see the biggest pads you can get. If you're, yeah, if you're an Indianapolis Colts fan, you want to go to the game, we got two tickets for you. Just tag, pardon my meme on x.com the everything app it's all happening on x tag memes and the one of the biggest shoulder pads get two tickets. Yeah, two tickets, tag memes and don't say anything about the jets. Do not. Do you want to say what you said? No, I don't want to say I don't want to say that. All right, Hank, you say it. I was I

said some very mean to memes earlier. Very mean. I just told memes like if you think that all the stories about the Jets have been humiliating Just wait. There's more There's more walls are back the walls not for me. Oh Tell me means you were in a Russian hat today. You look good They look crazy. It looks like you're you're in Fargo. You're gonna put a body in a wood chipper. This is a part of my take hat. Yeah, we sell it. Oh, I like that.

Let me see the flat. Is that the blue one? Oh, yeah. Oh, that's a cool one. Those are nice. Those are nice. That's the guy that you see and you think to yourself, like, I might be in danger. That's why I feel so bad about threatening him.

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There's going to be more stuff. The worst is yet to come. The walls tell me. It's not me. Okay, next game. Vikings and Bears. Bears plus three and a half over under 39 and a half. I'm very nervous

about this game because Brian Flores feels like he's gonna fuck shit up the good news is he's been blitzing less yeah well last couple weeks yeah you got I mean it's you can't keep up blitzing forever because you you eventually got to get you know home with four Russia in the wintertime will yes'll get up to you. Yes, exactly But yeah, I'm nervous this game. I the only thing I'm hoping for is It is outdoor game Sam Darnold. This is the third game in a row road game for the Vikings He's had a little bit issues the last few weeks So maybe the Bears defense keeps him in the game, but then Justin Jefferson also scares me So this is a crazy stat the Vikings have the best rush defense in the NFL. Mm-hmm

They're letting up 74.4 yards per game. That's the third best of all time. You know what the other two teams are. Hmm The 1994 Vikings in the 2007 Vikings. Wow, it's just what the Vikings do every like once every 10 years They're like cicadas. They have an outstanding rush defense Yeah So I actually like DJ more this weekend though because their pasty you some might say yes Their rush defense is very good there if you look at not necessarily like yards per carry, but in terms of yards per game Teams just like to throw the ball against the Vikings So yeah, use their offenses are getting a higher percentage of their yards by passing the ball as opposed

to rushing. So I feel like Caleb Williams continues to take that next step. Looks good. I like DJ Moore. It could be good. This could be good. Stay out of the dumps. The bears haven't really done anything super embarrassing this week.

It's been a few weeks since we've had like a clean week like that. Um, the I do feel Thomas brown makes me feel a little more confident because if this was a game with shane waldron I'd be like kaleb williams is gonna get sacked 15 times and it's gonna look god-awful But the fact that he was able to get the ball out fast and they schemed guys open quick Uh, hopefully we'll help against the blitz. Yeah, so Hungry dog offensive line looking good. This is in the hungry dog. Oh yeah. There's a lot of pressure. Pats are to spoiler. Oh wow. All right. Well, it's big weekend. Let's do that game. Patriots

at dolphins dolphins minus seven and a half over under 46. Let me just before you even start, please. You talk about the 14 point and how it looks and how 14 points in some situations is more or less than depending on what the score is correct. This seven and a half feels so much more gettable than the cold seven and a half. OK, because you have to assume that the Lions would score like 35 points. And so you need to score 28 points. I'd agree with what you said. Yeah, seven and a half feels like a lot but then reverse it an Ungettable seven and a half is actually the bet you want to make maybe

Seven and a half that you look at you say oh, that's easy seven and a half. That's a that's bad So is it Drake mazes pinpoint accuracy? That's making you so amped up about the Patriots this weekend? Because you guys haven't beat the Dolphins in Miami since Tom Brady. No, and that's a good, that's a good, usually the, you know, with the Patriots, it's like all the trends reversing. The Dolphins have always been like the boogeyman, even when the, when Brady was there and the Patriots are good.

So this is the trend we can reverse in our favor. Got it. Got it. So you're the team that no one wants to play in that division. I think so. You're dangerous. Yeah. You're the spoiler spoiler you want a stat that will help you please So from sports info solutions on the season the Patriots are fourth worst in success rate against five or more pass rushers But since Drake may has taken over

they are the 12th best so that's the blitz and Miami their defense is top five in success rate allowed when they bring the heat. So this is actually not a bad match. Drake May is good against the Blitz, has improved this team overall against the Blitz with his feet. Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to probably not bet this game, but I would, if I had to, I'd probably take the Patriots plus seven and a half. I've also become a big, big graphs guy. There's a lot of good graphs for Drake may yeah, those are the graphs that I just mute Yeah, the one I see I see a graph that's bad

And I just it's like I go like making plays out of the pocket and then Drake mays in the top right with like Lamar Jackson right you want to have like the the headshot of your quarterback depending on where they are on the yeah the graph Yeah, the EPA or quadrants. I just clicked the not interested in this information button some of them are just too confusing for me I can't I don't think I'm reading any of them correctly I just know where I'm right on top right the quarterbacks he's near I'm like I like this graph we look graph you want to be in the top right and you never want to be just like completely by yourself no matter what quadrant you're in yes it feels like something weird is about to

happen we should start making graphs where the good part is bottom left, just confused people. I would fuck you up. I don't know how to make a graph. But if you could. So Hank, week five, you remember this matchup? Mm hmm. You remember who was starting at quarterback for each team? Nope. Jukoby Burset, Jukoby Burset, and Snoop Huntley playing quarterback. The Dolphins win 15-10. Which team do you think had the better upgrade?

Bigger upgrade Tyler Huntley to Tua or Jacobi Brissette to Drake May? Tyler Huntley to Tua. Bigger upgrade. Jacobi was fine quarterback. Good guy. Fine guy. What was the stat you had the other day?

It was like most interest passes? What a interception or something like fewest like lowest interception rate There also was a Thursday night football game where you guys said is your cope is Jacobi Burset the guy yeah forget that mm-hmm We started off the show Brett Brown's today is yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, Kobe Bursett. Yeah, we asked a question That's what we do at national sports podcast. We asked the question we start the discussions the answer to that was no which by the way Congratulations to us for nailing that. I also think at the start of the year I said you could be percent will get you seven wins You said seven or eight wins and then I looked it up and it was like ooh

Yeah, so I ever is done I still do have that future that I haven't cashed out of yet lingering their Patriots over five and a half wins this season that hey, they can win a couple more games. Jacobi reset is exactly what we should have said. But he's all that contribute to NFL snoop huntley no offense. Yeah, no, no, Jacobi reset is great for a spot start. What did you say? Maybe two no offense or no offense. Both. Hey, I mean mean Tyler Huntley almost won a playoff game in Cincinnati Tyler Huntley Pro Bowler. Yeah Yeah, yeah when like everyone dropped out you remember that it was like two years ago three years ago Tyler Huntley made the Pro Bowl. Oh, we should do that set a reminder Hank

Let's say July Third week of July, let's make the worst Pro Bowl team ever. Okay. Because like these are ridiculous, like you know, Mitch made a Pro Bowl, Mack Jones made a Pro Bowl, we should make the worst Pro Bowl team ever. Okay so Tyler Huntley, this was the 2022 season, he made the Pro Bowl in which he started four games and he passed for 658 yards with two touchdowns and just every other player was like no Thank you. Yeah

That I mean that's hey, that gives me hope that one day I could make a pro ball. Yeah enough people say no Okay, so Hank you feel good about this game. Yeah, I'm excited for it good. I'm happy you're excited when in Miami beat the Dolphins run the table, yofs. Maybe. I mean, the Dolphins need to win this game for our Thanksgiving sake. So Thanksgiving is Bears-Lions, which should be a disaster,

Giants-Cowboys, which is gross, and then Packers-Dolphins at night night if the Dolphins are playing for something That will be an interesting game if the Dolphins are not it's gonna be like damn it. What just happened Yeah, I think they could I think they could be playing for something. Well. Yeah, they got to win this game. Yeah Again haven't won in Miami since Tom Brady. So it's tall tall order. Big time order. Big time order. All right. Next up Cowboys at Commanders. Commanders minus 10 and a half over under 45 and a half. PFT you got to demolish them. Got to crush them. Got to... Anything less than a crushing is bad. Here's why I like it. Well, obviously the Cowboys have not been great recently.

Their defense is bad. It seems like Dan Quinn took not only himself out of Dallas' defensive equation, but also he brought a lot of guys from Dallas that followed him to DC. I feel like they're going to be more into the whole revenge thing than the Cowboys, the rest of their defense being like, oh, fuck these guys. You know? Yeah. I want to see, I want to see 30 points on offense. I want to see under 20 points on defense, then I'll be very, very happy. Yeah, you the Cowboys are on quit watch, officially quit watch. They have Tray Lance packages, which you got to be worried about. Very worried. I'm actually I'm happy that Tray Lance isn't started just because

you don't know what you're going to get with Tray Lance. It's true. You know what you're gonna get with Cooper Rush. I also think that the commanders like Jaden Daniels feels like he's finally healthy because he practiced full week practice, got a little mini buy. You got to kill. At what point should I start to be concerned if Latimore is not playing? Ooh, good question. Because I saw that he was, he didn't practice on Wednesday. He was doing like sideline drills on Thursday.

Mm hmm. I, I'm very excited to get Marshawn Latimore into that, into the secondary. He didn't practice on Wednesday. He was doing like sideline drills on Thursday. I, I'm very excited to get Marshawn Latimore into that, into the secondary. I'm excited to see what changes he can bring to the defense. Cause we need another quarterback big time. Um, and I've, I feel like I've been very reserved and being like, it's fine. He's going to be healthy. He's going to be great when he healthy, when he's healthy. At what point should I start to be like, do we get fleeced? After this game? Cause in in theory this is a doesn't matter if you have him or not and you need him for the playoff run Yeah, mini by commanders come coming off a mini by haven't had her by week yet

We've got a by week in December, which is fucking insane. It's crazy to wait this long So I don't know I feel like I feel like this should be a game where The commanders come out and beat the fuck out of the Cowboys. You have to beat the fuck out of the Cowboys. I want the Cowboys to hate me. You have to beat the fuck out of the Cowboys. And what stinks is I want these rivalries against the NFC East that hasn't given a shit

about the commanders over the last 25, 30 years. Yeah. But this is not even the year that I can reignite the rivalry with the Cowboys because I feel like the Cowboys have just straight-up given up Yeah, they think their offensive line is a mess. I think they've got three Three subs coming in this week. Yeah Eagles fans are obviously rooting for the Cowboys, right? Yeah Yeah, for sure have to have to yeah rent free

rent free max and free maxi maxi Ding-dong, That's just math By the way the commanders and Cowboys they don't they're the opposite of the Steelers and the Ravens Since the beginning of 2019 they played each other 10 times with nine of those 10 meetings having a final margin of 10 points or more an 8 of 10 mark with a margin of 15 plus points. Yep. So this is not the Ravens of Steelers. So even though it's a big spread, it's okay. And I do like, there's been some good vibes shifting in DC this week. So we're trying to build a new stadium because our current stadium falls apart on opponents and leaks sewage. So we're trying to get a new stadium in the next five years.

And something passed through the Senate this week saying that this DC City Council can now lend out the RFK junior or excuse me, the RFK senior stadium to the commanders if they want to. Oh, so they'll use that temporarily, which no, it would be like a 50 or 100 year lease. Oh, God, they would give to to Josh Harris to build a new stadium. Got it. And having a stadium that's in the city is going to be so fucking yeah, that'd be awesome. Yeah. Okay. Second to Dan Snyder sold the team. The Senate and the DC City Council said, we're open to negotiate now. They just said we don't want we don't want the stink of you inside of her city. But he gets out now they're cool. We're tired of dealing with that asshole. Yes bucks at Giants Giants plus six over under 41

I feel very bad for drew lock. Yeah, what what's going on drew lock? Wait, did he do something bad to Brian Dable? I don't know but his press conference where he was like Yeah, they brought me in his QB too And I guess I'm still QB too doesn't make sense to me because the Daniel Jones sitting makes sense You don't want to have to pay this guy more than you've already paid him. It's over But drew lock was the number two and then you're saying no actually it's Tommy DeVito Who's gonna be the quarterback and they were kind of like don't it's just weird. I feel bad for drew lock He looks really sad when he had his press conference or he was talking to the media. And then there's also like weird things coming out

from all the teammates. Dexter Lawrence said talking about Daniel Jones he's the QB one to me he's the best quarterback on the team and then there was a report one offensive player said we're not idiots they did it because of money so be it but Daniel has been all class never complained is now being completely disregarded the team record is bad You can't point fingers everywhere to try to blame him as trash and making him third string as weak as fuck. Mm-hmm. So Yeah, it feels like there's and then there was a real quick clean up that Dexter Lauren said that he talked to Dable and Dable hasn't lost a locker room

Which if you know we have a theory and it's I think proven true if you have to say someone hasn't lost the locker room which if you know we have a theory and it's I think proven true if you have to say someone hasn't lost the locker room that means they've lost the locker room. Yeah so real quick point of clarification there Daniel Jones is not the third string quarterback. Yeah. He's the fourth string quarterback now. Yeah.

So they signed Tim Boyle. Yeah that was the player just saying it's bullshit he's third. Yeah so he's he's now fourth which is it's crazy but I understand it if if you're gonna bench him then you don't want him coming into the game and getting injured I get that but what doesn't make any sense to me and I like Tommy Devito He was fun for a couple games last season Drew Locke is a spark quarterback Yeah The guy that will go in there and he'll just try to force the ball into any tight window make some awesome throws

Some really boneheaded mistakes too, but he's like the definition, if he has a good day, he's definition of a good spark quarterback and they just pass that up for Tommy DeVito. I don't know why. I think they're trying to lose. Are they trying to sell tickets? I think they're trying to lose the Italians maybe, but the, the, I mean, you could just get Rizzo to come to the game. That's true. Uh, I think they're trying to lose and try to tank for a quarterback. Yeah. Which would make sense. Also, I like the Bucks regardless of who they're playing this week because they're getting Mike Evans back. Correct. And they've been playing everybody really tough and they've had a hard schedule recently. Yep. And they've been competing really, really well against some very good football teams. Yeah. And so now this, this

to me feels like the Bucks, like finally being able to be a competent all around offensive football team. And I feel bad for whichever team they were going to play this week. It will be interesting with Tristan Wirfs is a game time decision that will be big because the one thing with the Giants and they still have it is their defensive line is very good. So Baker under pressure, not my favorite Baker. But I agree with you. Mike Evans coming back has got to...

For Baker, it's got to be like, this is incredible. I can now have a guy who's super tall and gets open all the time. Also, we should mention that Daniel Jones, he hasn't been completely cut out of the practice. He's getting reps at scout team safety. So the old Mac Jones. That's got to be very sad.

I feel bad. You know what I don't feel? I feel bad for Drew Locke. Drew Locke's the only one I feel bad for. Daniel Jones made a ton of money and has been bad for six years and he, he should just be happy. He's gonna live an awesome life doing whatever he's doing. I feel like he is, he is the rare first round draft pick that could slide seamlessly into being a number two quarterback for a long time.

Yeah, but he said Daniel Jones is gonna have an awesome life. He's probably gonna have like super athletic kids. One of them is gonna be a better quarterback than him. Yeah. He's gonna have hundreds of millions of dollars to just hang out, get a hot wife. He's gonna be fine. Drew Locke, like he doesn't have a lot of chances.

If he's not gonna get a chance here, where's his next chance? I like that take because you're doing the same thing that the Giants did with Drew Locke, or excuse me, with Daniel Jones, but you're saying like, just give Daniel Jones children sometime. Yeah. His kids will develop. Yeah, exactly. He will. Hey, I mean he came remember on draft night Yeah came from a very athletic family. Yeah, so let's sign his kids to a future contract. Yeah, okay

Chiefs at Panthers Panthers plus 11 over under 43 Hank. Do you want to know? Oh Boo This is the NFL makes sense game maybe if the Chiefs had won but I had the Chiefs no yeah no I'm not getting burned by the Chiefs twice in two weeks I mean in their last one the Chiefs are own one the Panthers are one and oh yeah and the Chiefs need to bounce back and this is the perfect team to bounce back against. Yeah. Isaiah Pacheco possibly back. That's Rome's is oh three and one is a road favorite to double digits. Does that make it a little interesting? Oh, three and one against the spread against the

spread. No. Okay. How about this? The hunger dog? The troops are one and four against the spread in their last five games. Don't make money four against the spread in their last five games Don't make money betting against the Chiefs I just said the Chiefs are one and four against the spread in the last five days So you actually literally do be swimming in money talking hungry dog. You would be rich mine only thinks I Think Panthers might stick around in this game a little bit a little bit not a full bit Panthers might stick around in this game a little bit a little bit not a full bit

I'm saying like a quarter like a Jaguars down six and a half. Okay. Yeah up three nothing Jaguar could be up three nothing ten minutes in Jaguars had the lead But they will not win this game. It would be crazy It would what we think of the Chiefs if they lose to the Panthers on Monday I Well, if you're looking ahead to future takes, this is the game where if the Chiefs lose, then you'll start to get people saying, I don't think that the Chiefs can win Super Bowl. Yeah. They've got real problems.

So maybe the Chiefs want to lose this game. They might want to. Because they're not enough. Yeah, not enough people are saying that the Chiefs can't win the Super Bowl this year. Like the Chiefs right now, they've gone through a little adversity. They've had some bad injuries. Um, there's an FBI memo that got sent out to all professional athletes saying, watch out, there's a South American gang that's robbing your houses when you're gone because my home's place got broken into Kelsey's place

got broken into. Uh, and this is a way game. So they might be thinking about, oh shit, let me just check my ring cam real quick. But if you're looking for the media to start doing the thing that they do every single year, which is saying the chiefs, this team isn't good enough to win the Super Bowl again, this would be a game that you would want to use. So or even I could even see them maybe winning it with like a last second field goal with their backup kicker. Yeah. And that and be like, well, they won, but they're not looking good.

Yeah. And then they'll win three Super Bowl in a row. Harrison Bucker not kicking. I wasn't he hurt? Wasn't he hurt last week? He was hurt last week. I just don't know when he's coming back. Yeah, he went on IR.

Okay. So yeah, he's out. So yeah, that's maybe that maybe that's the story is like, oh, the Chiefs found another kicker. Yeah. Or Kelsey kicks a game winning field goal. Harrison Buckers at home with a shotgun right now. Yeah, not my house No, yeah, he's he's protecting the land ah Okay, last Early game like I said it's not

Not the bad you guys think what do you think for for sound or should we just test out a couple games I commanders? That's a ten and a half point spread. That's the biggest spread of the week. The A-Team though. And it's the Commanders. Okay. Well is it the A-Team? It's Greg, right?

I feel like that's Greg. Or is it Tom Brady? Tom Brady's the A-Team. Yeah, but which one? Which one? Greg is my A-Team. I was going up what you said. No, no, that's, yeah.

I don't know, maybe we'll do, maybe we should do a blind poll when everyone gets in. Yeah, I mean- I mean, I'd be down, Bears are on the hungry dog. I'd be down for Vikings Bears, too I don't want to subject people to that How about I want just a good game? I think that I think Vikings Bears will be is a low spread Yeah, I just want a good game on TV Maybe we just play TV roulette and it's like if this game stinks We're just gonna change or just put the four box in the middle. Nah, I don't like the four box.

You don't get the high definition high definition. We'll start with one game and then maybe we'll set limitations like, hey, if there's not a touchdown in this game, we're changing it. You know what's so weird is to go back and watch games from like 2002, 2003 when HD was coming out? Villanova, Maryland's had 12. Oh! Yeah, we can put that on sound.

The HD back then is not HD. No. At all. Looks like you're looking at a magic eye poster. It's it's fucked up No watching games back there when there was no yellow line to how do we ever do or there? What I was watching a Florida State Notre Dame game from the early 90s the other day and it was there was no score on the on the screen You just had to guess how's that happen? They just pop it up every like five minutes. When did the law? I always remember the line When did the line be the line came around time before the line now? It's like probably late 90s early 2000

I do remember the SD to HD switch and like even just Going it was used to be so cool to be like wow let's switch to HD. Holy shit because they had both channels Yeah, so you could like last it with the HD and the standard D and be like oh my god The HD is so much better and yeah, see it in real time There were so many people that when they made that switch you realize this this face was not meant for HD 1998 was the first yellow line September 27th 1998 Ravens at Bengals That was three yeah, so you don't remember life before the

yellow line? Yeah my age two season I guess. You just had to guess. You had to kind of guess. And they would literally not put like the score and the time. They would just put it up every now and then down in distance. Just kind of have to keep it in your head a lot. The best part of every game around this time of year is when they come back in from commercial and they'd have the Thanksgiving score bug. Oh, yeah. The autumn score book Porey. Yeah, the cornucopia. Yeah, reminding you what season it is. Yeah. Okay. Titans at Texans. Texans minus eight

over under is 40 and a half. Hank, I like a lot of bad teams this week. You love the Titans. I'm not going to do it. I do like their defense and I'm still leery of the Texans. Here's a fun fact though from Brett Coleman. So this is why I'm not going to bet the Titans. The Titans have punted 48 times this year, sixth most. And the average return against them on those punts is 17.3 yards their average net is only 37.4 yards as a high punt volume team that overall loss of average yard field position per drive is staggering that's 30 so 37.4 net on every punt is insane yeah it's pretty crazy for a team that punts that much. Um, did you guys see the Neil Hunter do a Euro step move? Yeah, that was so sick.

How do you, how do you guard against the, they're doing Euro steps on the, on the pass rush, your steps with spin moves put into it. So they're traveling. Yeah. They never called traveling anymore. So sick. Uh, the Titans kind of a, well, they are like one of the biggest bomber teams right now to watch. Will Levis had a very bummer quote I think he was trying to make a joke about it But he said that he feels good since coming back from the injury He hasn't thrown as many chest passes in games since he's been back. So that means that his arms doing better

Okay, cuz we'll have us the knock on him this year He's throwing like the craziest interception or choice the doy-doy plays, but I don't think he's one of the top Interception getters in the league, right? Like if you look at just the stats, but the ones that he makes have, they've got exclamation points on. He might be pretty high up there. Let's see where he's at. Jordan Love is pretty high up there. Will Levis.

Oh no, he's good. He's got eight. He missed a couple games. He's got eight. He's seven. He's Geno Smith, Jordan Love,. He got eight. He's seven leaders. She knows Smith Jordan love and Patrick Brahms No, that's reverse. I think it's I don't know why it's he's like fit his eight and seven games The leader has 11 and yeah, he's tied for like it's like so his interceptions per game his rates up there Yeah, okay. Yeah, but the ones that he does throw are way more memorable. Yeah, but yes, they leave an impact He throws great interceptions. Yeah to Jordan love is that Jordan love has 11 and 8. Yeah, that's for sure

They're quite something Okay afternoon game. They're not gonna be wearing the the Houston Oilers throwback. I don't think so Can you look that up max that's actually very important that will make a difference if they make if they wear the oilers jerseys in Houston. I Just think this might be the week that something crazy happens and I've been saying that for college, too I'm probably so stupid. It's probably gonna be all favorites and I'm gonna look like an idiot I just think we're gonna have I think we're gonna have a weird couple weird outcomes this week and be like fuck How did that happen max look up Titans uniforms because they have the rights to the uniforms not the Texans feel like this would be provoking the city of Houston if they wear the Oilers uniforms mm-hmm I'm not

seeing anything about it okay I feel like it would be talked about if that were the case yep it would be talked about yeah okay Broncos Raiders Broncos minus six overrunners forty one and a half, or sorry, 41. Did you guys see the power ranking of NFL animal teams who would win in a fight? It's pretty good. It's gotta be the line, right? It had Grizzly Bear one for the Bears. Does Path of Patriot get a musket?

No, it's just animals. So it's, I guess the human is an animal. We learned that Mount Rushmore season Uh, it was bears one Bengals two lions three Jaguars for Panthers five Bronco wild horse six Ram seven and then colts Eagles Falcons and it's all the birds and then dolphin last you got dolphin last

I think that's Dude a dolphin it depends on if this is a home game or an away game if it was a bird Playing in the ocean the dolphin crushes him. I think the only thing I really I feel like a ram would beat a wild horse But maybe I'm maybe not Ernie, but I mean a bear would probably beat up a tie I mean just by you think I now do we know that the Chicago Bears are grizzly bears? I don't know specifically what type of bear is black bear. That's an issue. There's also none of these mascots are beating lightning. So what the chargers the chargers like no no animal could

defeat lightning. What about defeating a year? The 49ers? How many I thought that was a so another minor Vikings would probably beat all these right miners like children no like gold miners no it's the year how many bears died in the year 1849 I imagined a lot but how many people died a lot a lot a lot of people yeah I don't know this is just uh this kind of fun yes and the Seahawk makes it because there's no such thing as a Seahawk yeah that should automatically be 14 it's a figment bird yeah um team is named after the prospectors so you know Hank's kind of right named after

the prospectors who went out there in the 1849 gold rush. So those people They probably got beaten by bears Or they are they killed bears to eat. It is a big hunt. Yeah, where's a buffalo? There's Buffalo Bills. I Don't know. Yeah, I feel like a buffalo Buffalo might go there Yeah, I don't know The Buffalo would not take down a bear. I think don't know. The buffalo would not take down a bear. I think it would.

What? You know how big buffaloes are? Buffaloes are huge. Buffaloes are, you have no idea what you're telling on yourself for not ever seeing a buffalo. But a buffalo doesn't, what are they gonna do? Just try to eat them? They've got horns.

Yeah and a bear has claws. A buffalo runs directly at a bear downhill behind its pads steamrolls How big is a buffalo? 1300 pounds how big is a grizzly bear probably bigger? 300 and 50 more weight It says right there grizzly bears prefer to hunt large adult bison the bear likely loses to the buffalo very large males can weigh 2,000 pounds far beyond the weight Grizzly bear a grizzly bear hunts bison for food

That's what they do that's the AI you're also just being given grizzly bears. It's all yeah grizzly bears It's not like you're the Memphis Grizzlies you could have you could have grizzlies um I Grizzlies you could have you could have Grizzlies um I Don't think I think a bear would be to bison bison are also like they just kind of sit around They don't do anything it says adult female Bison's can wear wait and there's this wolves can kill Bison well yeah, well, you know bears 14. Yeah bears can kill wolves I don't I had seen a bison do anything crazy. Dude, a bison, they kill- You seen a bison do something crazy?

Yeah, that's why they put up the signs in Yellowstone because every year bison run over Japanese tourists. Yeah, I mean humans, well humans would lose- well not me, I'm built different. I beat all these animals. But that's just me. This is from Quora. Never wrong. This person says that personally I feel like the buffalo would defeat the bear oh okay so there we go personally they've got sharp deadly horns the horns could easily stab a wolf and also a grizzly

bear the horns would likely get through the fat she watches whole minute 30 video yeah Yeah, yeah verse American NFL preview animal a versus animal B who would win today? We pit the powerful grizzly bear against the formidable American bison both Titans of North America They boast impressive physical attributes and unique abilities The grizzly bear weighing up to 600 pounds and standing seven feet tall on its hind legs weighing up to 600 pounds and standing seven feet tall on its hind legs is a ferocious predator known for its incredible strength and endurance. With a bite force of 1200 psi and claws up to four inches long it can tackle large prey and defend itself effectively. Grizzlies are also agile, capable of

running up to 35 miles per hour and possess sharp senses of smell and hearing. On the other hand, the American bison, North America's largest land mammal, can weigh over 2,000 pounds and stand six feet tall on the shoulder. Its sheer size and muscular build make it a formidable opponent. Bison are known for their speed, able to run at 40 miles per hour and their thick curved horns, which can grow up to two feet long, are lethal weapons. They roam in herds displaying complex social behavior and utilizing their strength to fend off predators. In a hypothetical confrontation, the grizzly bears agility and predatory skills would offer a significant advantage. However, the bison's size, speed,

and horn defense are not to be underestimated. Ultimately, the grizzly bears versatility and relentless attack strategy might edge out a narrow victory, but it would be a hard fought battle. That's fine. Animal. A never said it'd be easy. This person's full of shit. Yeah. I think that I think we just have to go on. Yeah, we have to go that also to to point point order the Bears the the face bear logo is a grizzly bear like that's a grizzly bears face and Technically the Buffalo Bills are not named after Buffalo's or bison. They're named after Buffalo Bill a frontiersman with a gun with a gun that probably hunted bears

Yeah, so that's probably why they didn't put a bison on there Okay, that's that's a fair point to make. Yeah, I just I feel like the bison is on you know What I mean that guy just told us he did a whole video of it Well, how you got to respect the well the outcome? Fight nature very good sense. So I'm gonna take the underdog. It was a good fight hard-fought fight Probably got hurt along the way The winner grizzly bear fade the bear after the fight against the buffalo. That's fine. Yeah, see hawk come clean it up Yep. Yeah All right, so

Broncos Raiders I forgot that's what game we're talking about with this. Give me the Broncos. Okay. Yeah, bro Raiders offensively just get the ball to Brock Bowers continue to do that. Yeah defensively. I don't know what the fuck they're doing Yeah, the Broncos have the third best so line the Raiders have the 26 best pass rush That feels like a bad matchup And then on the other side the Raiders have the 25th best offensive line and the Broncos have the second best D line So that feels like a bad matchup. Yeah shout out to the Raiders offense last week by the way because they kept it close it was very close into the

fourth quarter and Miami never had to punt the entire time. Yeah. So I mean the Raiders are gonna get their ass kicked. Yeah yeah. But we'll monitor Shador Sanders Twitter feed. Yes, that will be very important I'll probably be the most important part of this game. Yep. Okay 49ers at Packers Packers minus one and a half over under 47 and a half Jordan love has been intercepted in each of his last four is first eight starts first time that's happened since Case Keenum in 2018 hmm hmm hmm this is also the first time this season that the 49ers are underdogs which is kind of

crazy yeah there are six and a half point favorites last week lost outright too much time on the clock for Gino Smith too much time on the clock for Gino said do you think this is a Robert Salah revenge game even though he left the 49ers willingly? Is he still an active member of the Packers coaching staff? He is he actually was credited with Installing one of the deep shots to Christian Watson against the Bears. So yes, I do think that has something to do with it Yeah, he it seems like he's doing a pretty good job But I also don't know how much of a revenge factor it is because the guy that they had take over for Sala when he left because the guy that they had take over for Salah when he left, was that was Ryan's right after him?

I think it was Ryan's. He has Ryan's first then Steve Wilkes. Then when Steve Wilkes took over the defense hasn't been as good. But yeah, what the hell? I'm going to count this as revenge. I'll throw this out there. There's been shared all over Packer Twitter. I've been tagged in a bunch.

It's one of those side by side-side 2010 Packers 2024 Packers and It's like similarities started the season at Philadelphia Regressing QB play in the first half after Aaron Rodgers or Jordan Love made their first playoff appearance Goes down the list six and three at the bye week did not win division Six seed the current Packers are currently the sixth seed one Super Bowl exactly 14 years prior. So all the signs are saying the Packers are going to win the Super Bowl. Okay. I don't like those.

Do we have a moon stat about them? This is the time of year where you get the moon stats going. Yeah, I don't like that. Did you see Matt LaForest's quote too about praising Rashid Walker's performance? He said, I don't want to pat you on the butt and get poop on my hands. That's good. Good quote. It's good quote. Although Dan Campbell would do that. Yeah. Not to get your hands dirty. Yeah, right. Do you see what Tarell Owens said about Debo? No, this is a great quote from Tarell Owens. And bear in mind, it's Tarell Owens. Literally Tarell Owens said this. Debo is not playing up to Debo standards. Debo seems like he's more focused on his pregame attire than he actually is the game. If we can shift

that focus, maybe we can energize and create some more production from an offensive standpoint. Oh, Torello and said that Debo is too concerned with off the field stuff. Okay. And he needs to focus on his playbook. Torello is what we all turn into the old man take at some point. Yeah, to says it. That's exactly right. Uh Kiddos gonna play love that. He's a Bears fan still at heart He's like I'm playing the Packers. I'm gonna play the Packers. Uh there's also some weird like

49ers fans being like maybe Shanahan It's the end if they don't get to the playoffs this year, which please how many teams how many teams right now? Let Mike Shanahan be the GM and Kyle Shanahan can be the coach. If it was a guarantee Oh my god, your team could get Kyle Shanahan as head coach next year. How many teams would fire their coach? I think it's half. I think more. Probably more. But like I'm just saying half just like if you just hired someone and you're like oh he's kind of doing okay. But a lot.

Yeah. A lot. A lot a lot. Yeah. I mean it would be crazy if they I don't think it's gonna happen but it'd be crazy. It would be nuts. I don't think it'll happen either. Yeah.

This is also a battle between two bad red zone teams. Packers are like 47% scoring touchdowns the red zone in the in the Niners have struggled but they have Christian Caffrey back now I like the Niners, but that's just because I see these two teams. I picked the Niners I don't know if Brock Purdy's hurt because some of the stats you could point to from last week Especially might suggest that so he didn't throw the ball beyond 20 yards at all and He only had six passes that went from 10 to 19 yards. So night so 19 targets were less than 10 yards. So I don't think he's hurt. I think one obviously kiddo was

out. And that helps a lot in the passing game is like another dude that you have to worry about. I also think Devo is taking a little step back without people maybe fully realizing and then you know Brandon Iuk's not there so it's not that Brock Purdy's hurt it's that everyone else is a little worse. But they're not going downfield that's the thing. Yeah but that's because like Debo's not able to get open, George Kittle's not able to take pressure away from Debo. Like I think that's it all all the parts mixed together. I think they'll look better with kiddle on the field

You're probably right. Yeah Okay, last afternoon game Cardinals at Seahawks I'm ready to fully believe in the card. You're gonna crown their asses. I might crown their ass crown their ass big cat I don't know. I listen I I I probably won't bet this game because I can never you never know what Seahawks you're gonna get Mm-hmm. They are the ultimate trick-or-treat team Could it be Gino looking incredible or could it be Gino running? After snaps that get thrown over his head and getting safeties and that shit I just know the Cardinals feel like a very sound football team through and through off the bye week

They see it their eyes are there They have the NFC West. If they could, if they could string together some more wins, especially in the division, they're undefeated in the division right now. I, yeah, I like the card. This one would be very good for the Cardinals to win. Put them two games up over the Seahawks. Yeah. And so they'd have, you know, uh, not only the advantage and wins that have the tiebreakers and you locked up and you would think that, I maybe won't but between the 49ers and Rams both playing good teams one of them might lose yeah or both so it could like there could be a world where the Cardinals win this game the 49ers lose to the Packers the

Rams lose to the Eagles and you're like holy shit the Cardinals are really in the driver's are we about to see the unlocking of Marvin Harrison jr. maybe we're gonna unlock him for the second half of the season? And now that I said all that, I agree, I think maybe we're gonna unlock him. We should. But just playing out that Cardinals up by like two games? No.

The NFC West is the big 12. You don't see that happening. No, everyone's gonna like, it's gonna, whatever happens, it's gonna get it so that everyone's tied. It's gonna make it so that the Rams somehow pull it out and yeah, last week of the season. Yeah, they're all gonna be tied somehow. Uh, Hank, what does the rest of the hungry dog? You didn't tell us.

It is the Raiders, Pats, Bears. Wow. That's Raiders. Raiders. Raiders. Explain that to me because we kind of glossed over the Broncos Raiders with talk of grizzly bears and Buffalo. So I think, I think we did a good job. Walk me through that one though.

Hank. Uh, everyone is bow leaving. Okay. So you're betting against us. No, I'm betting against myself too. I've been, I've been, I've been believing before you guys were, I've been on the, on the bow train for, for three straight weeks. Okay. So you think that just too many people like Bo Nicks right now, you and Sean Payton both Sean Payton is now having to like de-recruit Bo Nicks a little bit because he loved gas and him him up when he was shitty.

But now that everybody loves him, he's having to be like, let's pump the brakes on bow. Okay. He hasn't really done anything yet. You're also being mean when I had Broncos money line against the Chiefs. I Were you being mean I Had the Broncos money line too. I don't was it a hand can't exist max. What does that even mean that? That's true. I can't know what I mean. I think you just called it that they were gonna miss the field ball That I was no right. Yeah, that was that was ball. I wanted them to make it. It's too bad. You don't know ball. I Realized that as I was saying it. I just remember saying fuck you Hank

Mm-hmm, and it and I thought it was trolling that's why I also had the Bears against the Packers, and it was the same feeling It's like they're gonna miss this that that one I knew they were gonna miss I needed it for the over the fuck you Hank feeling is like 50% of all of our memories Yeah, because in the gambling case, you know what Hank is Hank is right a lot Yeah, and we and when he's right about something that you're personally invested in then it does feel personal Yeah, you have to separate that from oh, no. No, you don't okay? Yeah, you don't have to separate you actually have to make it even more personal two things can be true He's a piece of shit and also he's right. Yeah, and when he's right make sure that you make it as personal as possible

Yeah, I think I maybe I just didn't want you to say it out loud because I think that I was thinking it too But you're like this is chiefs magic This is chiefs black magic and I was like shut up shut up and he was right and he was right and that's right And that's why I was mad. up shut up and he was right and he was right and that's right and that's why I was mad Yeah Okay last game Eagles at Rams Rams plus two and a half over under 49 question for Hank and PFT How much of the disaster of the Sixers? Yeah a lot of packs the lot a lot zero

I think it all it all crosses over. I think's, yeah, you can't have one without the other because they feel bummed out. Yeah. Like they're driving into work. They want to be going into a day at the facility, coming off the high of a 76ers win. Instead you've got Joel Embiid flopping on free throws. That's gonna bleed over into the game.

Yeah. I wasn't. You're gonna see the. I was a question. He does that all the time. Like if he thinks he's missing a free throw He reacts if he if he has it come weird off of his hand He throws his hands up because he feels like he missed the free throw and he's mad that he missed the free

But did he go in he's in I don't know I didn't yeah Yeah, so he thought that he missed it and one yeah, you got on on a free throw So that's even worse. Oh, you've never shot a free throw and been like oh, that's a miss No, it actually goes now cuz you're when you're in the zone. You know it's a lie Correct what's a good game last night what someone says short and then swish. That's the worst yeah correct I don't think it was a swish actually I have no idea. I don't know what you saw the clip I don't think that the Sixers affect the Eagles I think if the Eagles lose this game then the hate towards the Sixers is going to be amplified by a thousand like that

It's more that the Eagles if they lose on Sunday, then it's bad news for the Sixers Assess That makes no sense because the Eagles are no that me really fans are gonna be mad I feel it fans like the Eagles look so good right now now right so they're not gonna show mad at the Sixers The one thing they are going matter is the Eagles right now So yeah, they're gonna yellows then they're gonna take their frustration out the kid they know like yeah They're gonna come home smelling like gin and they're gonna throw shit at Tyrese maxi We should talk about the elephant in the room if the Eagles lose then no one will care about the Sixers because the only thing

That they will care about is the Nick nurse is obsessed with elephants. I went back did more research. Day one, day one when he got the Raptors job, he had them draw a giant elephant on the whiteboard and be like, say hi to the elephant. I want everyone in the room to say hi to the elephant because we need to address the elephant in the room. Yeah, he's obsessed with the swatting. That's actually insane. It's crazy. BFT to he gave me the facts after is like yeah apologize to Raptor reports I Don't give a fuck. I will not be apologizing to anyone And it makes no sense and also if the coach says elephant in the room and that's like

Jargon locker room jargon wouldn't that jargon pass off to any of the players in the room also Wait, so you're saying he's got a good boy because he says it so much it's actually more likely that it came from somebody else like a player yeah they could say I'll say off in the room and that will get get him off my tray it's just no word if you just say things enough in a locker room it becomes everyone everyone says it factor at that point I would say that Nick nurse would be using the term elephant so much that that would be a distraction. Like if the players are smart enough to be like, this guy says elephant all the time.

So I'm going to say to the reporter, that's a concern to me that Nick nurse, every other word is saying what Hank is saying. I'm just saying that if that becomes like a part of a team meeting of like talking about the elephant of the room People will start saying how the team will also be like elephant We talk a lot about a lot about the elephant in the room Tyrese maxi goes this is the elephant in the room Well at that point the elephant in the room becomes the elephant in the room that you use it So and also the leak didn't like the leak said that Tyrese maxi said that he was the elephant in the room What does that have to do with Nick Nurse? like, the leak said that Tyrese Maxey said that he was the elephant in the room. What does that have to do with Nick Nurse?

The leak said, the quote is that Tyrese Maxey said the elephant in the room is Joel Embiid. What was the quote? It said Tyrese Maxey said the elephant, he said the elephant in the room. You already proved that you didn't know what quotation marks were though, so I'm gonna look this up. I think the Eagles win this game It's gonna be a slow start These are two of the worst three teams in terms of scoring in the first quarter. Yeah What do you got? Do you got it? I'm pulling up the article right now. He's pulling up the article max just chill out who wins grizzly bear elephant

Discuss elephant I think this line is this line is too short oh So you're nervous yes, I think Eagles minus two and a half is easy and that makes me think it's hard Oh, I don't think I think is the right line. If it was Rams plus three I would hammer the Rams. I I don't know. I is me fun game exciting game. I'm excited for this game. It's really going to test the Eagles defense because I think the Eagles defense is for real. They've got great secondary now. This guy was last week. What last week wasn't commanders had like the best offense in the league going into last I mean the commanders do not have no offense the commanders Do not have Cooper Cup and Puka Nakua. Yeah, we have Terry McLaurin who got put in San Quentin Yeah, yeah, but that's what I'm saying, but this is this is now

That one that has these weapons that are like Puka and Cooper get open against everyone I swear we had this exact conversation last week about the commander's offense and the Eagles defense. I understand the Eagles. I'm saying the Eagles defense has played very, very well. I think they're for real. This is a elevated test from the commanders. Is it not?

Would you take the commander's offense or the Rams offense right now? I would, I would, I don't think it's that far as far as you think. I would, with a healthy Jade and Daniels, I think I would I don't think it's that far as far as you think I would with a healthy Jaden Daniels I think I would take the commander's offense if you look at it by the numbers with a healthy Jaden they're like historically good Cooper Cup and Pukin to core matchup problems beyond believe I also agree with that I think that you can say like the offense yeah overall is better for the commanders but their weapons are on the outside are better for the Rams I would take the Rams offense over the commanders right now.

It's no slight. I mean, I think the Rams offense is very good. It's not a slight. I'm telling you that I think they're very good. Feels like a slight. It's definitely not a slight. You guys have a very good receiver in Terry McLaurin. They have two very, very good receivers to get open against everyone.

Yeah. Receiver for receiver. I would agree with that. Yeah. But when you take Matthew Stafford's pretty damn good. I would take Jaden over Matthew Stafford. I looked up the quote. The quote, Max, surprisingly you're incorrect about it.

The quote from the source was, Tyrese loves big fella, but this is the elephant in the room. So the quote is not saying that Tyrese used the phrase elephant in the room. Whatever. I mean, it seems open and shut to me. The quote is not saying that Tyrese used the phrase elephant in the room. Whatever. I mean, it seems open and shut to me. Max, you said it before, we're having like five parallel conversations. You said it before that the Eagles have looked really good, but they haven't played the best offenses.

When did I say that? When we went through it and you were like the Giants know, the Giants and the, whoever else they beat. The Browns. I said this today? No, no, like last week or two weeks ago. You're like, I'm excited to see. It was maybe before the Commander's game. It was just another test.

The Commander, yeah. Yes, obviously everything's a test, but everything's a test for everyone. Not everything's a test. The Cowboys are not a test anymore. Yeah, but I'm saying like every time you play a good game, I guess it's another test, but every time you play. The Cowboys are not a test anymore. Yeah, but I'm saying like every time you play a good game, I guess it's another test, but like You could say that about like any big any big game. No, I wouldn't have said it going up against Cooper Rush

I was that's not a big game. Well God, it's a rivalry game. Yeah, this is is this a big game? This? Yeah. It's a huge game. Yeah. Must win? Yes That no. Not a must win. Not a must win. Okay. No, must win. No, you said no, not a huge game. Yeah, must yes. That now not a must win. Not a must. Okay, no, no, no, you said no, not a must win. Oh, it is a must win. No, a must win. You said I said no, you said it wasn't no. And then your brain caught up with it. I'm doing it again.

So the comma or quote, you that's up to interpretation. Okay, I like how you're doing that. Okay. So we have to figure out what you mean by that, but you're saying no, a must win. Correct. That is my statement. Minus two and a half seems, I feel like I want to hammer the Eagles, but I won't because that. Oh, guess what? Next week's going to be a test too. Yeah.

Ravens. Yeah. That's kind of why I'm worried about this because I feel like we might be looking towards Ravens. Yeah. The Eagles have not the easiest scab. I mean, you have to play the Steelers as well. The other games are-

And then we get the Panthers in between there. Panthers, yeah. And then we finish Cowboys, Giants. Yeah. Okay. Um, okay. Should we do, uh, our TD parlay with conviction with conviction boys. We won last week. That was huge. It felt good for the AWLs. It felt finally good to get a win there. Let's get a conviction pick from all the boys. Hey, I'm going Jonathan Taylor. Jonathan Taylor. I like that last week. It's pretty it's only minus 105. So it's not going

to like it's solid pick. That's a good conviction pick. Isaiah Pacheco minus 165. Min minus 165 you said yep, all right Let's have Mike Evans coming back. Okay plus 155 plus 155 Take a shot here. What do we got? right now that would be Plus 700. Oh good, so we'll see where it goes by game time But right now would be plus 700 that's some good conviction

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I'm at 12 and 10 Hanks 11 11 big cat 10 and 12 PFT 9 and 13 Max 7 14 and 1 mmm. I hate everything this weekend max is also up first max up first. Let's go maxi I am going to go Bears plus three and a half. Okay. Bears plus three and a half. Against the Vikings at home against the Vikings. Bears plus three and a half. Okay. Okay. PFT. I'm going to go with the Detroit Lions minus seven and a half. And okay, okay pft. I'm going to go the Detroit Lions minus seven and a half. I'm cold I will take the over forty seven and a half Cardinals and Seahawks. I Will take the under forty one bucks Giants. Mm-hmm. I like that pick

That's a good pick. Thanks. I like I kind of like the board this week. Oh We think to veto is gonna do terrible nothing Okay memes go an under 51 Ravens Chargers football and Cardinals plus one Cardinals plus one. Okay, I will be taking in the New England Patriots plus seven and a half. Okay I'll take the Denver Broncos minus six. Okay. I'm going to take under forty and a half Titans at Texans.

I like that pick. Thank you. That's a good pick. Thank you. It is a good pick. That was my pick. No matter what happens, that's an outstanding pick on my part. Yeah.

This keeps happening as I get fucked right before I'm supposed to go. You went first. Yeah, you should've taken it. I know, but then I get... I don't get prepared, I keep thinking... What about the over and the Bears-Vikings game? No, I already have the Bears. Double tip!

I am going to go... No, now I have to do totals... Totals stink. Can I do... Can I do? You can do whatever you want buddy. I have no I have no conviction and I'm the worst at this. Convict I am going to go. Over 46 Patriots Dolphins.

Okay I like that pick. Good pick Max. Good pick. Hank Winst. Yeah. Okay. I like that pick good pick backs good pick Hank Winston. Yeah Drake may Drake mays good. You've told me that Drake mays good You said he gets to if Drake may can get me two touchdowns Four touchdowns from the Dolphins. Yeah, what does that? What's that math a lot of 14? Yeah 42 Fuck a lot of touch and a rushing touchdown from Ramon Dre. Maybe some field goals You said two touchdowns you said two touchdowns. Yeah, I feel like two touchdowns from Drake may

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win. It is Tarek Scoobel. Also his birthday. He won the Cy Young on his birthday. Tarek, first of all, congratulations. Was that the best day of your life? I mean, that has to be up there, right? Yeah, I think, um, you know, for sure. Uh, my wife probably won't like the answer. You know, the, the, you know, our child being born is probably maybe a little bit higher than that. But it's definitely close. You know, it was really cool, really special day, um, all the way around friends and family, all that stuff. It was, it was a ton of fun to celebrate a birthday with a, you know, a Cy Young award. Yeah. So I got to ask you, you, I mean, everyone knew you were going to win, but was there

a part of you? Like when you woke up and you're like, what if I don't win? What if something crazy happens? Like w because it was obvious you were going to win, but it's still, there's gotta be a little small part of you that's like, wait, I have all my friends coming over. My wife bought me a new car. What happens if something crazy happens and I don't win? Yeah. Am I allowed to cuss? Yeah. Oh yeah. Okay. Cool. I basically woke up and was like, I really hope they don't fuck it up. You know, that's what I thought. But yeah, I didn't really know. Obviously when the voting comes out, I didn't know if it was going to be unanimous. You know, obviously, you know, the other guys that were on the

ballot obviously had great years. So, and you can make arguments all the way around for, you know, whoever you want to make arguments for. So that, that was, uh, that was pretty cool too, to win it unanimously. I think that that's pretty special. Yeah. And you got the car. Did you get it before or after you got the Cy Young? Uh, after. So I got the award. So, I mean the backstory on that is, uh, my wife at the beginning of the year kind of jokingly said, uh, you can get it cause I've always been wanting a new car for whatever reason. Every time I get a car, I just want another car. It's like that toxic thing that happens.

Beginning of the year, I was all off season. Last off season, I was talking about getting a new car and she goes, okay, if you win a Cy Young Award this year, I'll buy you a new car. I said, all right, cool. So I've been giving her grief about it, like hey, I'm gonna win and you don't have a car for me. I got done wrapped up with the interview stuff yesterday

and she's like, hey, I wanna go outside. I said, am I gonna get like a pie in the face? What's going on? Is this where the champagne goes? And then there's a car sitting in my driveway. And I'm like, there's no way you just got me a car. And she's like, yeah, this is your car. And I was like, I didn't, I was so shocked. I didn't believe it. I mean, that was kept under wraps really well. That's a great present. Yeah. So your name is Tarek spelled T-A-R-I-K. Are people surprised when they see you for the first time?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yes. That's an easy yes. You know, my name has been butchered my whole life. I stopped even caring how people pronounce it. You call me Tariq, Tarek. It doesn't matter to me anymore. And then I don't think that they expect to see me. I don't think that they expect to see me. I mean, I didn't realize this though. Your name in comes from Arabic and it means strike. So I just learned that last week I was, I got asked the question, like your name means strike in Arabic. I go, I hadn't, I mean, cool. That's really cool. And just so happens to be kind of my job is to throw strikes. So yeah, I thought that that's, I mean, that's pretty interesting. Yeah. So, so at what point this season, did you know that it was like more than, I mean,

you obviously have been a good pitcher and your, your path to the, uh, the pros and everyone's been talking about you, but at what point were you like, okay, this is different. I'm on a different plane this year. I'm, every time I get on, on the bump, I'm going to just go eight innings and 11 strikeouts and everything. What, what, was there a moment that clicked that you're like, I got different stuff this year? I think when I came back from surgery last year, uh, I mean the second half of last year was pretty special and, and dominant as well. If you look at the numbers, um, uh, the numbers. It was a pretty special season and then I had a good healthy off season

and when I got into spring training, my body just felt good. And throughout the whole season, I think I made 31 or whatever starts. I felt good for 31 starts, which is, I don't know if a lot of guys can say that. And I felt good in between. And there's some lulls and you take your bumps

and bruises and stuff, but I felt good in between. And there's some lulls and you take your bumps and bruises and stuff, but I felt good. And I think when you're healthy as an athlete and you can just continue to work on things and continue to get better. And I think that that's where greatness happens. And I was able to do that for a full season. So I think that that was just the most important thing. But I don't know if there was one start.

I go back to the Sensi game where I think I struck out 13 and that was pretty special just because that morning I was told I was an all star and then I went out and had that performance, you know, andsy young guy. I just have never really associated myself with that. And then when that start happened, I'm like, holy shit, I am an all star. And then, you know, you start thinking of yourself like I am actually that much. I like I'm good. I'm very good at this game. And that confidence, you know, was able to kind of ride with me the rest of the year. You're 13 strikeouts has to feel so awesome. Just no one can touch you. I watched that start probably, I mean, 20 times after I'm like, I couldn't get hit that day. You know, I'm like, this is unbelievable. It's a feeling that it's I just got done golfing.

It's like a pure like eight iron, you know, and it's like, that's the best feeling in sports. Yeah, I have to imagine throwing like 102 miles an hour feels pretty good too. Is that the fastest you throw them? Yeah, that's the fastest. In game was like I think it was 101.6 this year I think was to it's to Reese Hoskins too and he fouled it off. I'm like, dude, my hardest heaters are always fouled off. I'm like, why? Why are you missing miss them? Yeah, I'm throwing this as hard as I can for you to miss it not to foul it off.. Um, but yeah, that was, that was the hardest heater I've had. Are we still working on velocity? Like what's, what's the peak once you hit like 102 or are you like, yeah,

I think I can dial it back and reach back a little harder and throw 103. Are we happy with 102? I give it hell when I'm, when it's 102, it's everything I got. There's not, there's nothing else in there. It's not like, Oh, I I'm saving 104 for next season It's it's pretty much. I'm throwing it as hard as I can when them, you know my velocity spikes in games It's it's because I'm like actually just throwing the ball as hard as I can and not really worrying about where it's going as much Yeah, so when you you throw a turbo slider when you throw the turbo slider

Do you tell yourself in your head? You're like, this is going to be a turbo slider. Cause that just sounds like you're like, it's gonna be a slider, but turbo. Yeah. Whenever the pitch comes through, I mean, I just like think, throw the shit out of this to this spot and that's it. And then I throw it. That's really with every pitch that I think it's a pretty simple approach. When I'm on the mound, you know, it's like fastball up and in, and I'm like, all right, throw the shit out of a fastball to this spot,

whether it goes there or not. Like it's like, it probably doesn't really ever go there. I think that's like one of the biggest, like people are like, Oh, I'm a command guy. You know, I hit spots. It's like, no, you really never do like it's like 20% of the time you're hitting it. Um, so I, I mean, I'm focused on a spot, but if it goes there, awesome. If it doesn't go there, I, you know, at least I gave it everything I had. Do you think with the Cy Young, I mean, I think you had this before, but do you think with the Cy Young, you're officially a Haas? And is that the, is that the pinnacle of pitching to be a Haas? I consider it the pinnacle. Yeah. I mean, first off to have the respect of, of you and Dave

that day when what was that in Cleveland? Yeah. Yeah. We're like, to have the respect of you and Dave that day when was that in Cleveland? Yeah, yeah. We're like, this is the host stuff. This is what we're talking about where you're screaming at people. And it's like that energy of a guy who goes on the mound in the playoffs, who's like a bigger dude who's throwing hard. And it's like, he's even if his stuff isn't perfect that day, he's going to just haas his way through it and just like through like pure strength and power win the game. That's haas. Yeah, no, I, I first off to have the respect of that, for that tweet to be formulated and sent out, I was like, Holy shit, I made it. You know, I'm like, this is, it's like making,

making pension ninja for the first time. You're like, Holy shit. You know, I made it to this. So to get that, that was pretty cool. But yeah, I think that, I mean, the Haas thing is, is pretty, I mean, I think it's hilarious one, but, uh, two, it's, it's something that, you know, as a pitcher, you want to take pride in, you know, being in the biggest games or, um, you know, big moments, you know, when a team needs in and you just kind of show up and then do your thing. I think there's a ton of pride to be having that. Yeah, I forgot it. I tweeted scoobles a horse and Dave tweeted scoobles a horse like three seconds apart. Yeah, it was like a minute apart. I walked in, I walked in the clubhouse after the game and I think we had just like came back in game two or whatever and I think we hit a home rough

closet, which never happens. He doesn't give up any runs. Um, and we went and I checked my phone and our like PR guy comes over with his phone and has the tweets like set up from you too. And I was like, Holy fuck. That's really cool. Yeah. Yeah. That's how you know you're shoving. Yeah. This is going to show. No, but it's really like, there's a, there's, we've been playing baseball for a very long time. There are certain guys that like you can never actually be a Haas. Like I, like Jacob DeGrom is incredible. He, I don't think he has ha he's like a little too skinny for Haas. You know what I mean? Like it's a John Lester, you gotta be a little fat, not fat, but like there's something about it's like

the power behind it. Yeah. Yeah. The power behind it where you're like, I trust it's like Madison bomb gardener Haas, John Lester Haas, you know what I mean? Like these guys like they just go up there and they're like I'm gonna throw 150 pitches if I have to and win this game Do you have to be left-handed to be a Haas or they're right-handed Haas's? Go either way but lefty does make it kind of cool just cuz okay, you know It's a cooler thing to be a Haas as a batter. You have to be fat as a pitcher You just have to be big you have to be you know like broad shoulders big frame but if we're gonna call a batter a haas he's got to be probably 260 yeah it's the pinnacle

though you can win a you can win a World Series with a ha you need a haas like it's different than an ace it's an ace plus almost like a higher every every haas is an ace not every ace is a haas is here. Hoss is like higher. Every, every Hoss is an ace. Not every ace is a Hoss. Is this right? Max Max is our baseball guy. Am I right on that? Yeah. You guys are just contradicting the things that we've said in the past. What do you mean? That's fine. Well, I'm talking about Hosses for pitchers. Oh, you're talking about the Mount Rushmore. That's different. That's different. You got to let the cry about Mount Rushmore Max. Am I right though? That every, every Hoss is an ACE, but not every ACE is a Haas. That's a fact. Yeah. That's yeah. Is Bartolo Cologne a Haas? Yeah. Yeah. When he was at his peak,

King Haas. Like prime Bartolo was, I mean, he was throwing 97, 98. I mean, he was always kind of bigger and fat. I mean, his workouts are, yeah. His workouts tough. It's, it's looks unbelievable. John Lackey, Haas. That guy was a house. Roger Clemens. Yeah. David. Well, yeah, there's a lot of hauls out there. Roger the rocket might be the biggest house. Yeah. I mean, that's not as huge. Yeah. Um, where's your, is your mom still mad at you for swearing though in that game? I think that was the game where you just looked at the crowd and you just, I said like a million F words. You're like, fuck everything. You know, fuck you all. Was she, was she actually upset?

So she called me the next day. Well, I called her the next day like talking about the tweet and I kind of liked the interactions that may come of it. Or if you want your account private, like go private, you know, all that kind of stuff. Um, uh, first off, I was like, that's hilarious. Um, and second, she's like, sweetie, you can't be doing this, you know, talking to the other teams fans, like it's, it's a dangerous thing for you. Like you just got to play baseball and get back in the dugout. And I'm like, you should have seen the amount of middle fingers and booze and

like, fuck use that I had to where I'm like, all right, I gather reciprocate some, especially on that day, you know, I, I was obviously having success and, um, was able to pitch in and out of situations, you know, big moments and, and keep my team in a series when we're down one, nothing already. So like, there was some stuff already going on and there's a little bit of dugout stuff, you know, coming back and forth. And I thought that that it all led to that moment. And yeah, I think that that was,

I locked eyes with a fan and he was like double birding, you know, fuck you. And then it was just right back to him, you know, and I was like, oh shit, I probably shouldn't have done that. You know, that felt like too much of a real interaction. No, it's good. But it was, it was funny. You know, it was, it was good all the way around. I feel like they, they begrudgingly respect somebody that talks shit back to him. If they're backing it up, it's like, if you're going to give the double birds and he's going

to strike somebody out, he's allowed to say, fuck you to me. That's how I would think. It's playoff baseball. Yeah. You want that out of playoff baseball. It was fun. I mean, that environment too hats off to those fans. That place was rock. That place was buzzing. Like that place was, that was a, that was a really good environment for a full season game and we played in Houston too and Houston's loud and obviously they have the history of, you know, all the rings and all the winning there, but I thought Cleveland was a better

environment. Yeah. With, uh, with Detroit, it feels like there's been so much momentum that's built up over the last six months like you guys put together an amazing run and you have to feel like shit this kind of sucks that we don't get to play baseball with each other anymore after the season's over but there's got to be just an insane amount of tightness on that team and you've got to be pretty pumped about next year so what does that feel like going into next year that's gonna be different from

what you were able to do this year? Yeah, I think going into spring training, my goal for the season was just to make the playoffs. I wanted to, at the beginning of the year, believe it or not, we were supposed to, I was like, all right, let's just win our division. And then all of a sudden our division was one of the best divisions in baseball and we had three playoff teams in there and it's like, didn't predict that first off I think if you ask anyone they'd all say that too. But then you know I wanted to play in the playoffs and then you kind

of see that we were sellers at the deadline you know got rid of guys and then just the youth movement we I think we were the youngest team in the in the big leagues the last month and a half of the season and we did something really special and all those guys are coming back. I saw a tweet the other day that we don't have anyone leaving I think from the roster that we had. No one's leaving with free agency. They all can be tender contracts and in arbitration and stuff like that. So that's pretty special.

And then obviously whatever additions they make in the offseason is only gonna help us, help our team wherever they see fit. And yeah, but I'm excited to get back to spring training with the boys and do it all over again. It was weird though, we got eliminated and I think in the moment it sucks. Obviously, I give up a grand slam and I can sit and pout about it or whatever, but our team was like, all right, cool.

Like we're going to be fucking back next year. There was no like pouting. It was like, all right, we're good. You know, Hey, we lost today, but we'll be back next year. You know, there was no like doubt or like, you know, guys weren't like upset. It was just like, Hey, we're going to be back. There's no panic. And I'm like, that's, I felt that that was really cool. Just to see our guys right after a, you know, a big moment and the media is shoving cameras in your face and wants to get the emotional reaction.

And our, I think it was pretty unanimous from our whole team. Look at that word I just used. Yeah, I think our whole team was kind of like, no, we'll be back. You know, there's no sweating this. It was a hell of a run, but we're ready to do it again next year. So I thought that that was really cool. So do you want to use this time right now to announce your new contract? Um, there isn't, there isn't one real question off that. Cause I know, does it feel good at least seeing every single tweet about you? it's like you know the Tigers

account or ESPN or like MLB tweets like Terrence scoobal AL Cy Young every single response is like pay him pay him everything. It's just it's just everything. Yeah no it is cool to have the fan support of or you know whoever's running the Twitter accounts to have the support of of they want me to be in Detroit, you know, longterm. And I think that that's really special obviously, just cause they've been very supportive of me and my journey, um, when I wasn't so good, you know, three, four years ago. So that it means a lot for sure. Yeah, no, it's the fans love you. The Detroit fans obviously really, really want you to be there for your whole career. And it's, it's cool to see you're gonna be so rich

No, you know I am right you're gonna be a rich motherfucker listen we took a shit in your agents Office a few years. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We went to Scott. We interviewed Scott Boris. Yeah, and we knew port Yeah, we took a shit in his office. Yeah, I stayed in there for too long. It's kind of embarrassing It was I was late for the interview No, I did not spray. No, it's both of us at the same time. Yeah, I was sitting on his lap. Yeah Oh back to back. Yeah, it was going it was going through my legs No, we went here you pee first Yeah, I got you. I got you. Well, that's that. He, he gave you the whole tour of everything. Yeah, he did. It's a place of really cool. It is cool. It's also very intimidating. He's an intimidating guy. I'm happy. We don't have to negotiate against them. Uh, I do have

to say, uh, speaking of the fans, I got to at least shout out our guy, Detroit, Don, John Detroit, John, who has the Twitter handle Scoobal is God. He's the one who handed me the envelope with the bets. Turk scubal to win the Cy Young. He said to me because I ended up giving him a little money because like hey I want 30 K off it. I'm going to I'm going to rip you off a little. He told me more money on it. I know. I know. I probably didn't have it in my account at the time. He said if you ever have scubal on the pod can you please just tell him I exist. I would do any for anything for him, including death, if that was needed. So you got one guy who will die for you.

Who will die for me. Yeah, that's, that's, that's more than zero. So that's awesome. Yeah. Scooble is God on Twitter. He will die for you. I might throw him a follow. I got to watch his, what's his tag scooble is God. Well, that's literally his act a follow. I got it. What's his, what's his tag? Scrooble is God. Well, that's literally his act. Really straight to the point. I think he likes you. Yeah. He likes you more than a friend. Hit him with a follow and then hit him with a DM that just says, Hey, this is God. I want to know what his bed slip looked like. I mean, he had to have,

if he's telling people to hammer it, you have to take it yourself, you know, right? Yeah I would assume so it is gonna end up costing me money in the long run because now I'm just gonna get people handing me random Stuff that I'm gonna have to bet but that guy's a let Detroit John is a legend forever in my eyes because that was You're already you're already net positive. So it's I mean, it's money. Yeah Yeah, exactly. This is like it's like angel investing, you know a little bit of money here And then you just need one guy to hit it and you make more money. Yeah. Yeah. So so we're gambling. Yeah. Where do we go from here for you? Cy Young, like you said, in the middle of the season, you get, you know, the the news that you're gonna be an all star, you start believing yourself more, maybe your expectations for yourself start to increase because you're like, Oh shit, everyone is saying you're one of the best pitches in baseball. Maybe I really am. Now you're the Cy Young winner. What do you add? What do you add to the arsenal? What do you work on this off season?

The one that sits right here. Oh, okay. Yes. You know, I don't really like making the game selfish. You know, it's a team sport. It's not just me versus another team or, you know, it's individual in an aspect of like it's me versus the hitter and there's that stuff going on. But I just want to win. You know, I think the best thing in sports is winning. It cures everything.

Oh, I had a bad game. We won. Who cares? On to the next day, you know, so yeah, I just want to win. I think, you know, individually, Triple Crown, Cy Young, obviously you want to do that again and maybe some more All-Star appearances and, you know, put that on the resume. But it all wouldn't mean as much if I don't have a ring, if not, you know, multiple. You know, that's why you play.

At least that's why I play the game is to win World Series rings and go perform on that stage in that environment. That's when baseball is at its purest. You know, there's no more individual stuff. series rings and go perform on that stage in that environment. That's when baseball is at its purest. There's no more individual stuff. That's what was awesome about the postseason this year was like nobody gave a shit if you were 0-4 with four punches, but that fifth at bat you bonded the guy over to second base and we scored him like you had a hell of a day.

I think that that's when the game is at its purest. So that's kind of where I'm at, you know mentally I'm gonna You know individually I'm gonna look at I just want to be healthy, you know I think I'm gonna do everything I can to be healthy, but That's kind of where the individual stuff ends for me. It's more becomes a team thing and then and World Series ranks Yeah, I like that. I also like calling them punchies punchies how many punches we aim it for next year These are good What I have this year? 228.

Let's just go for 229. Why not be 229 punches? 229 punches. Yeah, I'm gonna bet that. Yeah. Are you gonna bring back the mustache? People are asking. I think I look horrible with it, but I think it's a fun thing to do in an off season.

You know, I think when I got a hat on it actually looks great, but Other than that, I look really old and It's not really cool to be old in my sport. I want to look youthful. Yeah Like I just turned 28 like that's not that cool. You know, you're young but you're also kind of old So yeah, I don't really like looking old. I'm trying to play my sport and feel young mustache though. Adds the Haas energy. I'm just going to say it's a fact. And if you ever watch baseball from like the late eighties or the nineties, everybody looked like they were 40 years old. A little rod back. Yeah. If you were 21, you looked like you were 50 base.

That could be SIGs and that could be SIGs and beers related though. That's true. It could be back when real baseball was getting played. That was real though. That's true. Real baseball was getting played. That was real ball. That's true. Um, listen, the haters are saying something and I want to address it. The haters are saying you're scared to come to our office and do the gauntlet because half your team came and you didn't show your face. I had a, well, one, I was, I think I, when I think they came right before opening day and I was starting the next day, I didn't really want to fuck with my routine so that was one that's probably not a great excuse but to my wife and son were there and

they were the I didn't want to leave him in the hotel room by them so I just bring out that shitty dad yeah that no you're right I should I should have brought him I just didn't really think you know there's gonna be six guys my wife and then you know at the time it was how old was he at? This is going to be bad math out of me, but I'm not good at math. Uh, five months old. Oh, let him do the gauntlet. Yeah. He could do the gauntlet. He can crawl pretty good. Uh, he's not to walk in yet, but he's crawling pretty good. Yeah. You got to come next time. I mean, the guys came here. It was great. I want to say, yeah. Whenever we played the white socks or cup, I don't think we go to the Cubs next year, but whenever we play the white socks for serious, I'll make sure to get in there

and do the whole thing. And I think that'll be fun. I think who did it for us? Torque this year? Yeah. The only problem was I think there was a question on Sporco where the question was something like name the largest cats and he didn't get tigers. That's not good. Yeah, he went to ASU. It's the whole kind of thing. He's always been a baseball player. He's always been a baseball player. He hits the shit out of a baseball and that's great. But yeah, I think I actually, I actually remember I pulled it up on, uh, I was watching it live. I watched this whole thing live. I think they like, you guys put out a tweet, like he's about to go and I watched the whole thing live and I was like, damn,

you did pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. You'll have to come next time. You got it. We got to have to come here. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. For sure. Strike max out. That would be awesome. Yeah. Do you have any advice for Max? So max lost our fantasy baseball league and he's got a pitch two innings against a an unnamed for now college team I think I did in what 30 minutes last year. Yeah, I got six outs in 30 minutes pretty good Max is feeling a little a little less confident in himself. He used to play baseball He was the Matt stairs of the CIA. How many home runs did you hit max? Three three home runs one year three home runs 50 at bats So he can he can dial it up to about 60 60 miles per hour. Yeah, I'm about 60 right now

I got I got a flat a flat ground in Wasn't great. I was throwing but I think I topped out at 63. I want to pause Why'd you only have 50 at bats if you're a good hitter? Because I wasn't that good But one year I Think is that there's a full legit defense behind you somewhat legit so the the college team is gonna have the infielders and then

I'm gonna be catching big cats in the outfield fielders and then I'm going to be catching big cats in the outfield. We're gonna have four outfielders though. Yeah. Four outfielders. Four outfielders. But it's like it's, it's Jersey Jerry. It's Brandon. Yeah. It's not going to be great. It's probably equivalent to two and a half outfielders. Yeah. Like real outfielders. Yeah. I'm like three quarters of an outfielder. Hank's like three quarters of an outfielder. Brandon and Jerry. Like when When runners get on like it's a situation stuff like double plays and yeah, they can steal. Yeah. They're box. I would think about that. My advice would be to throw it very slow, the slower the, but like you're trying to

gain velocity. I think once you get to like 65, 70 miles an hour, that's when guys start are going to start unleashing on it. Like, cause it's, it flattens out a little bit. It's less loop. So my advice would be to hone in a really slow pitch over the zone. And I think that you will do really well. That's good. I have good advice. Yeah. Yeah. I think that that's when, uh, when position guys get in there and you can kind of see, they get a little amped up and they start, you know, letting it rip. Cause they want to, you know, there's VLO guns everywhere in the stadium and they want to start lining it up. We're just like, oh yeah, I can throw 74. It's like, yeah, you're going to throw 74 and it's going to get 110 out and it's way gone. So if you want to get out,

the guys that I think are really good are guys that throw it over the zone. And with baseballs too, the slower you, this is going to sound nerdy, but the slower you throw it, there's more times for like seam effects to happen and like your ball will cut and sink and it'll be a little awkward to hit. So I think if you can like dial in a 45 mile an hour fastball and like throw it on the two seams, don't throw it on the four seams,

throw it on the two seams, it'll cut for you and do some cool sinking stuff. Yeah, I wasn't throwing on, I wasn't planning on throwing four seams at all. Like that was really good advice. know I actually was when I was doing my warmup I called it a sinker it's really not but like I was just throwing turbo sinker fastballs just with both of my two fingers on the one scene I don't know what senior I don't know I don't have a baseball and I probably sound dumb and I'm not saying it correctly. This is a Cy Young winner right now.

Yeah, we're talking ball right now. Fuck, I wish I had a ball. Actually, I got one over here. Okay, I would throw it, so this is the baseball. Yep. Right? Throw it on these two seams. Okay. And throw it like 45 miles an hour. All right. That's I love this. I didn't think I was actually going to get good advice here. This is great. It's giving you advice. Like these, these

seams, you know, does that, does that make sense to you? Should I do that thing where you put a little bit more pressure on one of the on one of the fingers? Or is that too much? No, no, no, I'm thinking too much. I'm thinking too much. Yeah, no, you're trying to, you know, just keep it simple. So do that and just throw it. Just throw it straight meatballs.

Yeah, yeah, like throw it right down the middle and I'll cut sometimes and it'll sink sometimes and it'll be it'll be like you're throwing two pitches and whoever's catching good luck, you know, some of the things that would be nice. Yeah, yeah. It'll do some weird stuff. Because I've noticed when I throw, like I throw, it's not a sinker, it's a two-seamer, but when I throw it less hard, it cuts and it's a nightmare. And I can only throw that pitch as hard as I, like I have to throw that pitch hard to

get it to go the way I want it to go. Got it. This is great. So that's like the whole, it'll be, that'll be a good pitch for him. Yeah. All right. You're going to have to, I'll send you the video when it comes out so you can give him some advice because he's going to lose the league again next year. He was so bad. Will this be like live or was this be like, no, we'll tape it and then we'll do it and then we'll put it out and Joe buck will hopefully announce some of it again. So, yeah, that'll be fun to watch. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So Terrick, this has been so awesome and you're, you're the best. I have one last question. Row back question. R H O B A C K.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q zips,

polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, row back.com. It's not actually a question. It's just don't let Scott Harris pretend that he's like the smartest guy in the room. Okay. Because he's actually a regular guy too. I've known him for a long time. He's a regular dude. He's he's a whiz kid but he's a regular dude. Yeah he's he's smart. He gets you know he's he's great at his job you know and especially the pitching department you know he's dominated that you know and I think it speaks about you know one who we fired especially the pitching department, you know, he's dominated that, you know, and I think it speaks about, um, you know, one who we've hired and then two, uh, the guys that are, you know, developing on our team. So he's really good at that stuff.

Um, but I enjoy him as just a, you know, as a person to, you know, guy to grab a drink with he's, he's, uh, you can tell too, you can tell, you know, in his younger days, he probably got after a little bit. Yeah. And he tries to do like all the numbers and analytics and be like, Oh, I went to UCLA and all this shit. And it's like, no, he's a regular guy. He's a fun guy to hang out with, but he's, he tries to be a whiz kid sometimes. Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think his job, uh, he has to do that. Keep his job. Yeah. Yeah. No, I get what you're saying. No. And I think that that's why he's a good fit, you know, for us. He needs to pay you more though. Yeah. No, I get what you're saying. No, and I think that that's why he's a good fit, you know, for us. Yeah. He needs to pay you more though. Yeah, he does. He does. He's not that good with numbers. I'll tell him that. He does. Hey, relay the message. Yeah. All right.

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That's betterhelp, H-E-L-P dot com slash PMT. Now here's Rex Ryan. Okay, we now welcome on a good friend of the program, recurring guests. It is Rex Ryan. You can see him on get up, uh, with the takes talking NFL, maybe back into coaching. Let's start there coach. Are you going to maybe save the jets? I'd like to. There's no doubt about it. I've, I've let everybody know that I definitely would be interested in that job. Even though I got a great gig, you know, I do Sunday NFL countdown, do get up as you mentioned and things and it's hard to beat that job. But you know, I think I have some unfinished business, especially with that franchise, that particular franchise is, you know, it's my, you know, my dad was there

forever. He won a soup bowl and, and, uh, it's super close to me. And, and, you know, I just think that, uh, you know, I would get back in it if I thought I could make a difference. And I think I could make a big difference with that team. Yeah. So, so what, what is the, the issue right now with the Jets? It feels like a season from hell. Is it something that is foundationally going to take a while to fix? Or you think it's something that like, Hey, if they do this, this and this, like we can be back in it. I think if I took over it'd be, it'd be a turned in about two minutes because I think it starts with the passion and the energy that I would bring to that building and

we're not going to take any poop mentality either. We're going to kick your ass and we don't care if you like it or not, but with that it comes responsibilities and accountability from that football team. I'll take every bullet. I get it, I want my players to play fast and I want them to be relentless and right now here's what I see with that football team. I see a team that plays with effort, everybody in the National Football League plays with effort, but I see a team that doesn't play with the enthusiasm that you need and I think that would change in a second. The minute I got there it

would change and it would have to or the guy would be down the road. So I think that would that's the biggest thing and then obviously you know that offense is about you know 20 years behind its time. You know like that thing is you know that was that's the old west coast type stuff and you know there's guys boy they they talk like they're freaking geniuses and the great thing is, you know, that was that's the old West Coast type stuff. And, you know, there's guys, boy, they they talk like they're freaking geniuses. And the great thing is, I love going against them. I can tell you where every damn plays going. Well, I've coached for eight years and can tell you every play. And so I think that's something that needs to be flushed out.

And you've got to start new. You got to have, you know, get up with times offensively, use your, you know, come out of the huddle quick. Use shifts, motions to help identify things, and get yourself in a great play. And there's people out there that obviously, quite honestly, would be a hell of a lot smarter than me. But those would be the guys that you would hire. And bring some energy and excitement

you know I think that's the missing thing you know and obviously you know I could think you got to stack up wins and with this team I look at a team this jet team from a physical standpoint from a personnel standpoint this team is close to being a dominant football team when you look at it talent-wise. Why the hell they're not playing to that level? I don't know. And again, I'm not, you know, I'm trying to, it's crazy, but I know when I get an opportunity to interview for it, I'm going to get the job.

That's how I feel about it. If I get that opportunity, great. If not, they want to go a different direction, then then so be it. But I can tell you one thing. Um, I never had this kind of talent when I coached the jets, never close, never close to this kind of talent. So that I'll just leave it, leave it at that. Yeah. All right. So, uh, how big of a voice would you give Mike Greenberg in your administration as coach of the jetsets? Does he get personnel choices? Yeah, absolutely. Greenie would be in charge of who we're drafting and all that. No, I tell you what though, and that's the thing about like with Greenie and like the jet fan

base in particular, man, it is a passionate group. And that's why the other thing is I know there's a lot of great coaches out there, but I think I'm the guy for the Jets. And the reason for it is I connect with the Jets. That Jet fan base and all that, all these other guys that you bring in, they ain't close to connecting. I've already done it. All right? They're no different than me.

I grew up a jet fan and my with my dad coaching and in that lineage that that that we have there and I get the passion. I get all that and they know look we might not win every game but I'll be Dan if we don't think we can and the other thing would be that every single thing that we have to give you we're gonna give you and that's it. That's my thing for my players. That's all I want is everything you got and a little bit more. And I think that the fan base of New York with the jets in particular, they appreciate that. And you know, like I said, we might not win every game, but you're going to know damn well you're

in a fight. We've got an absolute psycho jets fan memes. He's, he's our producer here. Um, he actually like makes greenie look kind of reason. I actually think greenie might be the problem. Have you had that conversation with him? Like what's greenie's record as a fan of the New York Jets? You got to flip it on him. Yeah, no. I'll say this though. I appreciate like the loyalty of that fan base,

cause you're right. About a lot of down years. There's no question about it only one you know one Super Bowl Super Bowl three might have been the greatest Super Bowl ever but maybe the biggest Super Bowl in NFL history because it kind of it it led to the merger of the AFL and the NFL but I mean you got to just you appreciate the loyalty and all that but they deserve a hell of a lot better than they're getting Yeah, I hope you get an interview. Yeah, it'd be good for the NFL. Yeah So coach I got a question for you we're at this point of the season where we have all the contenders we feel like in our head and then we have a lot of teams that are

Playing for nothing if you are a coach and you got a team that's playing for nothing How are you getting them motivated to get up and play every single week when you know, Hey, look, we got two wins right now or three wins. How the hell are we going to get the most out of this team? What is the message when, when you're trying to do that late in the season? Well, unfortunately I had been in that situation before, you know, by last year with the jets, like we, that was a rough one. But you know what's funny? My guys never stopped playing and they were always in it. And I think what happens is first off, it's the relationship you've established with your players and things.

It's it's it's not something that, you know, a, you know, I'm going to be Winston Churchill and come up with some speech overnight now I'm gonna give them to play no, but that has to be built in from jump and that's from you know The way you connect with your players. They got to understand it I'll tell you about any players whether it's today's game, you know 20 years ago 30 years ago You know, they got to know that you care about and I certainly do you know, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, you know, they got to know that you care about them. And I certainly do, you know, I understand this game. I've been around it all my life. The players are are special, special people. But I think they have to know about like,

it's not always going to go great. But this is what we've said from jump. This is what I've asked you to do. and it starts with you as a coach Like I see some of them right now just mailing the thing in There's no where the hell I see coaches no passion. No, whatever. They're like, hey, let me go to my freaking yacht We'll go to your yacht, you know, I mean but to me that was never about it and I would always tell my team I said, hey look if you need To see somebody, you know, and how I want you to play the game, watch me, watch me. Cause I'll be damned if

I'm going to quit, I'll be damned if Mike, you know, I'm letting go of that rope and my guys would never do it. They would play their asses off and I'll stand by anything. Bad seasons, good season. I'll always stand by the effort, the enthusiasm, the passion my players played with and I coach with. Yeah. Yeah. So in terms of like giving your team a spark this time of year, there's a couple of things that you can do as a coach. One, I mean, you're talking about the enthusiasm. I don't think that was ever a question for you, but you also see some coaches trying to do the spark where they, they just figure, okay, what the hell we'll start to back up quarterback this week. We'll put somebody

else out there. Have you ever seen that work? Like I actually do think Tommy DeVito might be a spark that might he might be a spark guy But then you've got other coaches that put in Backup quarterbacks that might not even be nearly as exciting as the starting quarterback and hope for a spark just because of you know A different person in that role. Have you ever played that game of musical chairs? I did it one time and it was brutal. Who was it? I was so pissed at Sanchez. We had played Arizona the week before, you know, the week before in what might go down as the worst game in NFL history.

I think was score might've been seven to six or something that we won the game somehow. But Sanchez and you know and I love Mark but he had a brutal game absolutely brutal game and I finally just looked over I said hell enough's enough and I put Greg McElroy in all right and Greg wasn't gifted with the physical NFL skill set. Greg was one of the smartest dudes I've ever been around in my life. And I knew he'd do the right thing, whatever, but we put him in and we come back and he leads them down and we, you know, we get in the end zone, we win the game, albeit an awful game. But the next week I'm sitting back going, all right, you know what the hell with it. It's, you know, I'm not just going to throw out Sanchez know what? The hell with it. It's, you know, I'm not

just gonna throw out Sanchez again. I was so pissed at him, so disappointed. And I love Mark, but I thought he needed to ride some pine just so he can understand that this is a possibility. And so I put in Greg McElroy and we get fricking annihilate next week by the chargers. It was brutal. And it wasn't Greg's fault. That poor guy, bless his heart. I think he got sacked like nine times or something like that. I mean, we weren't very good, obviously, but, um, uh, but I tried it one time.

And when I see the Giants, the only question I have with the giants is why not drew law? Yeah. He'd been the backup of the whole season and now you're going to put Tommy Devito in there. That's the only question I have. Like, wait, you just brought this guy in to be a backup. Yeah. Is there something in his contract that if he starts, you know, you got to pay him more money. I don't know what the, what the deal is there. Yeah. It's very bizarre. It feels like a weird locker room right now. So if I were to say and I'm not gonna hold you to this but Your life is on the line and you get to pick five teams that can win the Super Bowl this year What are the five you're picking you're like you're dead if one of the if another team wins, right? I got you

Well, I can tell you one thing. I don't have, I don't need but one. I mean, I truly believe it. I think if Aiden Hudson doesn't get hurt, I think Detroit would have walked through this thing. Yeah. Would have walked through it. And the fact that my son coaches there is probably another reason I'm taking them. But I feel that confident about this team. This is a real football team. And all you got to do is like, you want to see what your team thinks of their coach, watch how they play. Why tell this team, like, they got little receivers down there,

pumping it 100 miles an hour, going downfield the block for these running backs. I mean, they are so selfless. And I just love it. And they, I mean, man, it's such a tight group. And they built it the right way, man. They built it through, I mean, character was important. You know, the love of the game, playing the game

is important to these people. And man, it's a whole team of that and they're badasses. So I love Detroit. I absolutely love Detroit. Now, obviously you're gonna take Kansas City because Patrick Mahomes, we've seen Andy Reid. I think Steve Spagnola is one of the greatest big game coaches as an assistant coach. He does a tremendous job there. And what I also know about Andy Reid is they're going to start running the football. If they want to win games, they start running the football. And that's what they do in the playoffs. I think that'll bode well for them. I love Josh

Allen. I think he's my favorite player in the league. And their defense has actually played better than I thought. So I think you have to consider them. Philadelphia to me, talent wise, it has the most talent in the national football league. And the Sirianni now he has the formula run the ball more than you throw it. Heavy up the protections for, uh, uh, for Jalen hurts and, and let him use his legs too, like that's going to be a tough out man. Like that's that, that team right there is playing really well. Vic Fangio who worked for me a couple A couple years in Baltimore is is a tremendous coach

He does a great job with that defense and their young players are flying around So those are those are teams right there. I guess that's four and then the fifth wild card The group is Baltimore. Oh, so no Pittsburgh. So For me if Pittsburgh wins the soup or you you're dead. I'm dead. Okay. I'm dead. Yeah, I'm dead. And here's the thing. I think Pittsburgh matches up great with Baltimore. I don't think they match up as well against these other teams. Yeah. So I think that's, that's the issue right there for me with, with uh, uh, in Baltimore, look guys, I mean you, me, everybody should be able to be a hell of a coach for them.

You know, an offensive coach in particular. When you have a Hall of Fame quarterback, all right, in his prime, you have a Hall of Fame running back, maybe just outside his prime, but pretty damn, you know, pretty impressive leads the league, whatever. You've got first round picks all over the place at receiver you got two good tight ends you got two Pro Bowl offensive linemen like that they should be unstoppable and then on defense this is the team that was the number one defense in the league last year with pretty much same players I get it you lost Patrick Queen you lost a

couple guys but you know they added Wiggins, who I thought was a tremendous corner out of Clemson. They ought to be kicking some butt. So I think that team, at the beginning of the year, I thought they were the best team in the league and they were one in two because I just know from a talent standpoint, they're phenomenal. Yeah. There's one team in the NFC that everybody was talking about the start of the year a lot of that talks quieted down they haven't played well the 49ers so from our standpoint as just dumbass fans watching the game I think our analysis is that they're just not fun to watch on offense anymore they used to be fun they used to be unpredictable their running game was

a thing of beauty in the past even if they were just carving you up on the ground all game the way that they would do it would be really interesting to watch. What's going on from your standpoint as a defensive coach? What's wrong with the 49ers? Well, I think offensively, last week they never had Kittle. They really missed him because Kittle is not only just a great receiver and obviously one of the best red zone receivers in the national football league, but he's also a tremendous blocker. So they missed him. I still like how multiple, as you mentioned, how multiple they are running the football. I think that's, you know, it's fun to watch. They just get, you know, McCaffrey back, so I expect them to get better that way. My problem that I'm having with them is on the other side of the ball.

I think their defense is not close to what it's been in the past and it was interesting. They fired the defensive coordinator last year after the Super Bowl right and they end up, I don't know who they added or whatever, but I think it was the dude Staley from the Chargers who we see the difference between their defense compared to what the defense is now. Um, you know, so I don't know if that was an upgrade or not. I don't think it was. Um, so I, I just don't have the same kind of faith that I've always had in their defense. I don't think it's a top defense anymore. So, uh, maybe

talent wise, but they're not playing that way. Certainly. Yeah. What, what about, uh, the Cardinals? Are the Cardinals for real? I like what the Cardinals are doing and Kyler Murray has been playing great. I want to believe in the Cardinals because it's kind of a fun, no one thought they would win the NFC West. It'd be fun if they were in the playoffs. Like I'm, I'm, I'm rooting for the Cardinals. Well, yeah. And I can tell you this. I mean, I respect the hell out of their game and and what they've done I think the general fans and this is what I am now initially at the beginning of season I'm like oh you know Cardinals are finessed or whatever oh no they're not they're just the opposite this is a physical-ass football team and so to me absolutely and you know who they remind me of they

remind me of the Lions two years ago oh when at the end of the year nobody wanted to play him and I can tell you right now nobody wants to play the Cardinals now look their defense isn't up to you know up to where they want it to be but man that offense whoo they are physical as hell. And I think, I mean, I'm not going to be shocked when this team, they may get in, I think they will get in this year, but going forward next year and the year after, watch out for them. I think they're, they're building a monster out there. They're building a bully. And I mean, I love the, the approach that their team took, because this is

not the Arizona Cardinals, you know, under Cliff Kingsbury. This is a way different football team, and it's one built on physicality. Yeah, interesting. And it has been a lot more fun to watch Kyler Murray when he's being decisive and he's taken off. He's as electric of a playmaker as they come. Yeah, no. I mean, look guys, like how talented is Kyler Murray? I don't know. He's, but the eighth pick overall in major league baseball, you know, with the A's and like this guy's a, you know, first overall pick. He is an absolute freak. And I always love when people compare him to, you know, Bryce Young. Well, you know, they're the same. No, they're not the same size. All right, Bryce Young is short Like Callum Murray is short, but he is not small. All right. This is a size speed league. He is a jacked up, dude

But I mean he I would hate to have to stop that kid Yes, but I see him sometimes just make the entire football team mess like he is an absolute freak Yeah, there's a another quarterback drafted first overall plays pretty close to us big cat here is a Bears fan. But we're inundated here in Chicago we talked about Caleb Williams. He's looked pretty good. The last couple weeks he's been getting better, I think over the course of the season. What do you see out of the bears? I know you said that the loss this last weekend was the best thing that could have happened to them. So maybe for all the Bears fans listening, like listen to Rex, why was that loss actually a very good thing? Minus the Packers part, Rex,

come on coach. Well, here's the, and I get that, but here's why this team's not ready to make a run yet in the playoffs. All right. You're going to have a new head coach in there. All right. You're going to get a better draft selection and things and I think it's good because you don't want to go into next year having the same damn coaching staff. Agreed. All right. You know what I mean? So I think that's why I'm saying what I'm saying. If they could get the Ben Johnson going to be a superstar, in my opinion, maybe the next Bill Wallis. Like, so to me, if you could add him, like, oh my God, this team, because this is a generational talent. He really is.

And here's, here's how I can prove it. All right. When he throws the ball on time, so inside of three seconds, he's in the top three in the league in QBR. All right. With almost like an 80 QBR. When he holds the football, and this is a typical thing for young quarterbacks, when he holds the football, his QBR goes from 80 to 3.5.

3.5. Historically bad. All right? Historically bad. So basically what it's telling me is when he knows exactly where he's going with the football, he lights out. When he's not sure if you're trying one, he's not there. Two, three.

If he's got to play that position like a 12 year veteran, he's not there. Of course he's not there. So I think a lot of that comes down to coaching. think the kid is gonna be a phenomenal kid and I tell you where I was really excited I'm a Bears fan I'm super excited about this what I heard that he got up after the offensive coordinator was let go he got up in front of the entire team and owned it, took responsibility. That to me blows, that blew me away. I'm like, that's exactly who the hell I want to block for. That's who I, you know, I mean, I would be proud to be that kid's teammate. So to me, if he's got that kind of thing, showing a little bit of that

kind of leadership with the skillset he has, man, I'm telling you, like, I think he's going to be a superstar in the league. I really do. I'm not surprised, like, I think he's going to be a superstar in the league. I really do. I'm not surprised he struggled. I knew he'd struggle, especially when I saw what he was doing offensively and how they set them up that way. They set them up with players, but not the staff. And I think next year they set them up with the correct coaching staff. I think they're going to be loaded. So what I'm hearing from you, Rex, is that you're looking for an offensive coach to come in, so are you officially taking your name out of the potential opening for the Chicago

Bears? No, I'm just thinking right now to myself if... I mean, I would hire Ben Johnson instead of me. Okay. All right? And the reason for it is I think he's an absolute superstar in the making. All right? I think he's an absolute superstar in the making. I think I'm pretty damn good, but I think this kid right here has a chance to be outstanding.

Like Hall of Fame type guy. I know the way he prepares. I know all that type of stuff. And to see him with a talent like Caleb Williams, oh, that would be that would be you know tremendous. Yeah, the head coach though guys the head coach is not just about You know an offensive minded coach a defensive minded coach that's way overblown the the number one job of a head coach is leadership and it's it's Connecting connecting with your players connecting with your fan base

All those type of things are important. All right? And obviously, it's about the organizational skills, setting up things. And then a style of play. What is your style of play? Does that represent the community that you're coaching in? Does that represent what you have for a vision

of your football team? That's who needs to be a coach. Now, do I think it's a perfect fit of Ben Johnson went there? 100%. Who? All right. So if not for Ben Johnson, what are the other names that you're seeing right now, whether defense or offense that are doing stuff that you're like, that guy's going to be a great head coach. I think Aaron Glenn. Yeah. I think Aaron Glenn, um, he, he's the guy without question. Uh, even when you hear about players, who the number one coordinator is, who they would want to play for it's always Aaron Glenn. The guy was a former player. We've seen it before Dan Campbell had great success, right? All right, went back to his team.

You know, and then you had D'Amico Ryan's has done an outstanding job. Both of them former players, and then get the opportunity to come back. I think Aaron Glenn has it. And when you hear him interviewed, I'm like, that's a dang head coach. So I think he's got a chance to be really special too.

You know, so those are the two guys, the two coordinators that really jump out to my mind. You hear about Todd Munkins name thrown out and I think we automatically do that because he's with the best players. Sometimes those guys kind of get lumped in there. These are the best players and things like that. It sounds crazy, but you know, there's, there's a lot of good coaches that are probably on maybe not the superstar teams, but maybe we'll see down the road, but those are the two coordinators that really jump out to me. Yeah. You're talking about leadership and how that's the most important job of a head coach. I'm curious when you were in the league, when you're coaching, how much of an effort would you put into adding

new wrinkles to how you're going to lead the team or different speeches that you're going to give? Or at the end of the day, was it just, you're going to go in there and you're going to be you, and you might try to get up there and try to do something else, but at the end of the day, Rex is going to shine through. Having a consistent leader might be more appropriate than having a guy that's always trying to incorporate new things. Well, I can say this.

I would just be myself. A player can see through a phony in two seconds. You know, a guy that's really not him. How many coaches that we see out of Belichick's tree go in to try to be Bill Belichick? Yeah. Never works, right? Never works. There's only one Bill Belichick.

And if, you know, so I think there's where people fail. Go in, be yourself and if you're a you know you're a you know a nasty mean mother okay that's you. You know if you're a you know I always love this the players coach. I think a players coach is maybe the biggest compliment you can give a coach. All right. Players coach sometimes gets people think oh well you know he's just a nice guys whatever. Let me tell you something. A players coach means they love respect that coach. Why? Because he loves and respects them. Those are things that you look for and he can lead. He can coach your ass hard. All right. Yeah. He can pass you on the back, but he can also get after you. And I think that's, you know, whatever's

needed, whatever's needed is, is what a player's coach is. And I think it gets lost sometimes. Well, this guy won't smile. He's stoic on the, on the sideline. That doesn't mean he's tougher than a damn players coach that you talk about. Yeah. More times than not, he probably not even close. Yeah. Uh, at this point of season, I I'm always curious the, like you have what you do well. Is there any changing things drastically? Uh, you know, let's say you're a middle of the road team or maybe you're even a team that is doing well. Are you, are you changing anything at this point of the season or is it like, Hey, we just gotta go with what we've got and keep trying to, you know, win football games. Well, you know what? That's a great question

because the NFL is a week to week league. And so what you do schematically can vary. I mean, like it's crazy. You know, like you can go one week out. We're going to play. Yeah. We got to, we got to play an eight man front. We got to blitz the hell out of this team. The next week we got to play, you know, coverage. We're going to drop eight. A lot of times it's, it's a chess match thing.

Each week is, is different. And that's why so many times you'll see college coaches come in the league and fail miserably because they're not NFL coaches. Right. This is the men's league. They're college because they're not NFL coaches. This is the men's league. They're college and they're hey here's the system we run and that's it. That's great but when the coaches know what the hell you're gonna do you know schematically you're not giving your team the best chance to be successful. Yeah. So that's why I love seeing this guy's a West Coast guy. If all he is the West Coast guy,

we'll beat the dog out of him. All right, they'll be lucky to kick a field goal. Like, so it's gotta change, you know, it is based on week to week. So the preparation, I think part of the energy in, you know, when you're in that locker room or, you know, in the meeting rooms, two things I know. Because I have a philosophy. You've heard like a kiss philosophy, right? That's keep it simple, stupid. I thought

that was for somebody else. I had a kill philosophy, keep it likable and learnable. And once it's likable, like, hey, look, I was a good student in maybe two classes. I love I like those classes you know what I mean so my class anytime you're in front of a your team and you're presenting to your football team it's going to be like I got the answers like check this out man here's what we're going to do so that's a big thing right there but the other big thing is including people. Including your whole like I'll take even it when I was coaching in Baltimore I would sit back and take every guy that was going to play that week would be starting in something for me. It might be a three safety defense. It might be a you know

we call that Spartan because the guy the guy coming in was from Michigan State. We call, you know, whatever. We had a corner. All he could do is blitz. All right. Well, all right. Batman, get in there. Batman defense.

You've got to have something that gets them all going. And here's what happens. Your practices are a zillion times better. A zillion times. Because I may play. I don't know how many snaps I'm going to play. I'm going to start. All right? On game day, they all get in there.

Guess what happens when you win? Everybody wins. That whole locker room, everybody's part of it. And it's just like, and they're proud to wear that, you know, the Southwestern Bulldogs, you know, jersey, like, they're proud to be part of that team, but you need to include them. And that's where I love what Detroit does. How many times we've seen Detroit put extra linemen in the game? You know, nobody plays backup linemen. They do. You know, I used to with the jets, you know, whoever, like you'd include your roster. Yeah. And that's, that's what you do. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good point. Yeah. So what coaches out there do you think this year are doing the best job of that? Like getting

guys to play for them? Obviously Dan Campbell, I think is, is doing an amazing job there. I think Mike Tomlin's done. Yeah. Like, how the hell really? They're gonna win again? Yeah. So Mike Tomlin, in my opinion, and I remember last year when they were saying that he may be available, and I'm like hell, every team in the league would hire Mike Tomlin. Every single team in the league. You guys an amazing coach, but the greatest thing is he's an amazing communicator. And it's just like what I think's important, I think he does great.

He connects, like he's amazing. And so to me, I think he's done an amazing job there. I think Harvaz come in and done a great job. Jim Harvaz done a great job. He took over a team that really had no freaking guidance. All right. It was super talented, but had no guidance. You know, they stood for absolutely nothing. Right now. He's like, no, we're going to have a tough football team. We're going to run the ball. We have a Hall of Fame, talented quarterback and they're starting to use him more and more but he wanted to emphasize the

physicality that we're going to be a physical football team at the beginning of the year. Now he's able to really take that part of it but also add to this magnificent talent that they have at quarterback. So I love the way they're playing and they flipped their defense overnight. They went from dead-ass last in the league because they brought in the right coordinator. All right. They brought in this Jesse Minter, his dad. I actually coached under his dad, Rick Minter at the University of Cincinnati. And not only me coaching there, but some other decent coach, a guy named John Harbaugh was there. A guy named Mike Tomlin, he coached with Raheem Morris. Like it went on and on, the list of coaches that were there. And by the way, they fired him because he couldn't keep his good coaches.

Yeah, no kidding. Yeah. They still were the best coaches in the NFL. But either way, he grew up around, you know, in and around that Baltimore Raven types style of play defensively. And he's done an amazing job there. Yeah. Great strength and conditioning coach too. Yeah. Right. Yeah. We got the chance to spend some time with him. That's an underrated thing right there. Strength and conditioning thing. Cause guess what? Guess how many coaches know anything about strength and conditioning? That'd be zero. Nobody does. But it's so damn

important. Yeah. And like, I remember we had some, I had a great strength coach and it was like, we would make improvements sometimes during the season. Yeah. Like I was like, damn, like, how the hell is this guy, but he gets it done. And, you know, there's where like Cincinnati Bengals, they got to look hard. Like, why isn't this team in the playoffs every year? They should be. Okay. But

they got to look hard at what they do at the beginning, you know, the beginning of the season, because they can't beat anybody the first two weeks of the season. Like their record is atrocious. That means your team's not physically fit, ready to take on an NFL season. It's a good point. So I think, but that's where that strength and conditioning staff is vital, I think.

Do you want to have a complete psycho as your strength coach, or do you want the assistant strength coach to be the psycho? I don't care. Just as long as they get it done. But I think part of it is like, again, guys that can teach but know what the hell they're doing and do they have that passion that that energy that that fire and all that that's what I love.

You know, get a guy that could make me go in a weight room and lift like what? Okay, let's go you know I might be showing on ability but this dude's getting me everything out of me yeah there was an old coach named Steve Watterson who was with the Titans for 100 years the Oilers all right and and I love that guy but I heard a story about what he did he had so Chuck Cecil was 100 years old playing for him story about what he did. So Chuck Cecil was 100 years old playing for him and you know big hitter, great hitter and all that type of stuff. But Chuck couldn't bench 135. You know what I mean? And so what did he do? He never had Chuck Cecil work with the other, his teammates or whatever. No. He had Chuck come in early and to get his lifted in. Because

he wanted Chuck Cecil to be at his very best. He never needed to embarrass him or anything like that but he was gonna get Chuck at his very best. That's what real street coaches do. They sit back, it's not about an embarrassing thing. I don't want a guy hiding in the weight room, you know, because I'm, you know, a guy's not strong. First-hand info, that's what I used to do. All right. So these guys, the great ones, you know, every program is, is, is built for the individual, you know what I mean? And yeah, can we do things collectively? Yeah, sure. But we also are never going to embarrass the player. We're going to get them at their very best. And that's how you, that's how these great string coaches work.

Yeah. Uh, okay. So coach has been awesome. I have one last question for you. It's a row back question. R H O B A C K dot com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, row back dot com promo code take always love having you on. We, we touch on it briefly. Give us a pick. Actually, you know what? Give us your favorite pick for Sunday. Do you have a game that you love? Oh, I mean, I'm trying to run them down. Um, well I, my other part was you could just give us a winner for Monday night football, the hardball bowl, cause everyone's gonna be tuned into that. I think it's going to be a great game. I think it's going to be an amazing game, but I'm going to go with John. Okay. I'm going to go with John, um, strictly because it's hard for me to ignore a hall of fame quarterback and a hall of fame running back. I mean, look,

last week we saw him get beat. How did they get beat? They ran the damn ball 13 times with that kid, you know, with Derek Mm-hmm, you know with Derek Henry Why you know and and guess how many carries he got guys in the fourth quarter you guys know zero Yeah, how the hell is Derek Henry not carry the ball in the fourth quarter of a game like that That you know, it's gonna be tight. I think they get back to it. I'm sure John's gonna be like hey, hey Todd Monkett, dude Run him run him till his damn tongue is dragging. I want to see 30 carries from Derek Henry. I would not be surprised if that doesn't happen in this game.

A physical game. He's one of the guys that you have to keep going. He softens up a defense over the course of the game. And at the end of the game, he's able to run dudes over that probably would have tackled him in the first quarter. And this is what we saw from the Ravens last year in the playoffs. It's mind boggling that they would make the same mistake again. I guess better to make it now than to make it in January. Yeah. I mean, clearly last year, I couldn't agree more. Last year, they were the best team in the national football league. I don't think it was even a question.

And then they handled that game, they had six runs to the running backs in the playoffs. I thought that was crazy. I never thought I'd see it again. Then I saw 13 carries with Derrick Henry. So yeah, I mean, I'm with you on that. It's like, golly, you just want to see the big guy go. And you're right. This dude doesn't get going until he carries it you know 12 13 14 times then he starts going and then by the end of it what I've noticed is guys start

making business decisions and tough guys yeah like tough guys like you know what this you know I I'm not coming up there and hitting them with the thing, you know, the same enthusiasm I had at the beginning of the game. A lot of times that happens. I've seen tough guys, you always said, he not so much anymore. So yeah, I think that could be the difference in this game. Just feed the beast. Yeah. All right. Love it. All right. Well, coach, thank you as always. Hopefully you're coaching the jetsets next year. Yeah. Good luck. I will see. I will announce my official endorsement of Rex Ryan's the New York Jets. I'll match. Yeah. I'm going to do you agree? Our producer. I also agree. Okay. There you go. Three people right here. Sweet. All right. Thanks so much,

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five to nine from your cell phone Okay, fire fest time Henry. Yeah Lay it on us. I got I got some karma. Oh You get a new karma karma sick karma not getting a sick karma I think I knew as soon as I said it I think I said it in the beginning that I'm just saying this out loud even though I know I'm not gonna do it As I said it I think I said it in the beginning that I'm just saying this out loud even though I know I'm not gonna do it That clip got clipped and put on social media So I was getting hey up hit up by people that I know don't listen to the podcast and I haven't talked to you

In a while that are like what kind of car you're getting like what's going on new car new car And I was like, oh man didn't didn't think this was gonna happen that clip had people hitting me up being like dude Your car is not sick Swear to God. No, it's apparently not you know when things break through and it doesn't even though It's a big show There's still times when I know things have broken through the bubble just based off of like yeah friends that listen the show and they'll Hit me up about the show, but there's people when they hit me up about you know the show or parcel things I'm like where did you see this?

Where is this coming from and of all the clips from the show to break through, I'm, I have no idea why that one is you just want a new car. No, it's, it's also, I've long thought like, it's just completely random. There's random shit, like the most random shit will, will break through at random times. And I think my car also heard the clip and got mad at me. Oh, no Snowing Snowing bad. I didn't even know it was supposed to be snowing as hard as it was lake effects. Probably I I was pissed that it was I thought it was gonna be a dusting I wanted a dusting to start and then it was dumping dumping and I'm on the way to work I'm you know in a big line at a red light. So I was stopped

It was going very slowly, you know Put the gas on for a second just to move up and then when I hit the brake my car just slid Yeah, the car in front of me was like a maintenance truck or like a working truck where they just had one of those big You know nut bolt things at the end So that just like punctured my grill. Oh no. And that car was fine. And I was just like, it wasn't,

thankfully I wasn't going faster even like I was, I literally tapped the gas and then hit the brake and just slid right in front of me. Did you get out? Yeah, the guy was like, oh, I'm so sorry you were right. I'm like, yeah, I'm fine. My car just. Yeah, your fucking car just killed mine.

So. Now the people out there that would say say like Hank might not be that good of a driver What would you say to them? I? Say my records proves itself. I drove a fucking bus across the country Facts in the in a blizzard. Well, yeah. Yeah fact and I've driven it through a city What about the fact that uh, yeah, I mean that was that was some bad multiple cities That was some bad karma. You should have said that about your car. I know you really dissed your car. I know karma Shit What are you gonna do? I'm gonna get a new grill

You get a new grill. Are you gonna get a why not just get a new car? that We've tabled that internally. It's it's why your car's total tank when when when the sun comes out and it's summer that that conversation but it's it's dark. It gets dark at four o'clock. It's snowing like there's no no need for a sick car at this moment. Okay.

Yeah. What about a sick grill though? I am gonna get a sick grill. You get a sick grill and then you feel like it's a sick car. Yeah that's that. I don't need it. I don't need a new car. I never did I sure never said it Damn oh Man, I'm sorry Hank karma karma Hank is gonna put his car through like paint my ride and yeah, but a bunch of different mods on another one to turn into it

Yeah, gonna get a car that way. You should get the hydraulics for it. I heard you like golf. That's why I turned and I entered your car to a golf. The van is the fun project. OK, PFT. My Fire Fest of the Week is very closely related to something that happened this afternoon when five star quarterback Bryce Underwood

flipped his commitment from LSU. He had been committed to LSU since I think January of this year. And he flipped it today to Michigan. That's fine. It's all well and good, whatever. Kids change their mind. People come in with money sometimes at the last minute. In this case, people have been saying it's up to $10 million for Bryce to flip his commitment from LSU to Michigan. We happen to work for a very wealthy Michigan booster who has been publicly saying, I will fund good quarterbacks to come to Michigan. I have to go to LSU tomorrow and play a concert with Pup Punk. And I forgot about that. LSU fans are not happy with Barstool Sports at the moment. I don't have it as bad as there are some people that work here that

they went to LSU, they're close to LSU and they're getting blamed for it. They had nothing to do with it, but the, I have to go actually there and see LSU fans and students face to face. And I love LSU and they're going to take their hatred. I don't know if they have out on me. Okay. So let me try to help you a little bit and people could spread the word LSU to, to, you know, treat punk with respect. I have a little bit of insight into it. Uh, I know Dave is involved. I do not think Dave used his own or Barstool's money. Okay. So that maybe helps a little. I know Dave has been involved, but I do not think it was his personal money. Myself, Roan, Nick, Caroline, Robbie, Frankie, we had nothing to do with it.

Anyone that's a student and sees him gloating about it, they're not going to worry about the details. And it's an easy person to blame. I also think students aren't the ones that are like going after Megan and I think it's like You know 40 year old dudes Yeah, who are who are sitting online yelling at 18 year old. I think that's more that I don't think the pop punk the pop punk crowd and

The people who are tweeting like in DMing mean things to Bryce Underwood are the exact same Venn diagram. There's a little bit of overlap, but not totally. Probably not. But Fred's, we're playing at Fred's. Yeah. Big place. I forgot about this.

People there. And it's one of my favorite places in the world. We're going to have fun no matter what. I didn't do it. There's no blood on my hands. Yeah. I didn't do it. Well, there could, I mean, there is.'s no blood on my hands. Yeah, I didn't do it. Well, there could, I mean, there is

there is blood on your hands. How I mean, this podcast has helped build Barstool sports, which put Dave Portnoy in a spot where he could maybe get a quarterback to flip from LSU to Michigan. I didn't do it. If I'd known there's a little bit of water, if I had a tie and he would have gone back and told me the day before we started part of my day in 2004 Michigan will flip an LSU five-star quarterback I would have said I'm going to bleach a report Dan oh good luck with this whole podcast 2004 sounds like it's gonna be a hit oh just a tiny bit not not a lot yeah I'll say right now listen I got a little blood on my hands. I Disavow who's I won't be in Baton Rouge, but I got a little blood on my it has been funny seeing people say like I'm Done with college football. This is ruin cause it's gonna happen every year players. They've been getting paid for decades

Also, can I just say one thing for LSU and and I know this isn't gonna help He's from Detroit If he was from Baton Rouge, I would be like totally understand. Yeah. Bullshit everything. He's from Detroit. Yeah. So like, and when you get a guy committed at this point in college football on the week in the weird world that is college football, you don't really have them until he shows up on campus. Kids flip all the time. You could flip them back. You could flip them back. Flip them back. Do it. That would would be a power move you flip it would they can't say shit to you if you flip him back Yeah, flip him back

Do it anyways come see Pup Pucket Fred's tonight Friday and in PFT only has a little bit of blood Oh, just a little just a tiny tiny little small amount. I think he's got blood on. Yeah. I mean Dave Dave was involved He was involved. He was involved. I think he's got blood on. Yeah. I mean, Dave, Dave was involved. He was involved. He was involved. I know that. Um, okay. My fire fest is, uh, I, you guys know, I don't really sleep, uh, to begin with, but I have, and this is for all the parents out there. I finally hit the point. Um, my three year old, my daughter, uh, came into my room on Wednesday morning maybe like 630 in the morning and she went right up to my bed and she said hey daddy I figured out how to get out of my crib that's bad so that's over so I have now six months where I'm gonna have to deal with that because that's how it works with kids

you hold them in the crib for as long as possible until they they she has been able to get out of the physically been able to get out of that crib for about a year now, but she never had a click. And then I found out the next day, uh, through conversations around the house, it was my five year old that taught her how to get on the crib. So they're colluding against me to teamwork. And now I'm going to have every single night, like little Raptors, if it's anything like my, my oldest every single night for the next six months, my daughter will come into my room at two in the morning and be an inch from my face and say, Hey, can we get up now? And that will happen every single night for six months. Have you thought about putting a top on the crib? Yeah, I don't, I don't really want to do that.

That point is just a cage. Yeah, it's a cage. Um,'s like one of those things is apparent you have it in the back of your head You know, there's a day that they will figure out how to get out of the crib You just hope that day doesn't come for as long as possible. And then when it does come you're just like god fucking damn it I'm just thinking through other dog training options, which is basically the same thing as raising children either the cage or I would say shot-caller for a dog. I don't know if you'd want to do that with each other. Maybe an electric fence. Yeah, electric fence. Invisible bedroom. My daughter stays in her crib.

Oh, it's so bad. It's so bad. Invisible fencing girl. They colluded. So bad. But also like good teamwork by them, right? Yeah, I guess. I'd rather they not do that.

But yeah, good teamwork by them. They're working guess I'd rather they not do that but uh yeah good teamwork by them they're they're working together yeah he showed me okay great uh all right do we have pug in here? Where's pug? Ladies and gentlemen Ladies and gentlemen, from coast to coast, sea to sea, our president, the one and only, Pug. If you're watching on the video, he's waving. Okay Pug. So, Mr. President.

How we doing? How we doing? Okay. Hey Pug. How we doing? How we doing? Hey, Pug. Hey, Pug. Yeah? Stand up to recognize. Mr. President, what would you like to say to us? For people who are confused right now, we decided on election night that we were going

to elect our own president. So we elected Pug as the president of Pardon My Take and Blake Bortles as the vice president of Pardon My Take. So this isles as the Vice President of Pardon My Take. So this is Pug's first State of the Union. Say the pod. State of the pod. Yeah, really just just a policy update, I guess. Okay.

A single policy we will be adding starting right now. Okay. So the two people who have not gotten a lottery ball, PFT memes. Well, I have got going forward. Um, the two people who have not gotten a lottery ball pft memes Well, I have got going forward. You will now be picking each other's lottery ball. Oh Memes is a fucking loser. Yes further notice. Yes, Blake also approves put So before wait, hold on. We gotta stick together. We gotta stick together. He has blood on his hands. He does. Memes you do too. But yeah, you do too. Yeah. The numbies that that have you put up on social for this pod that was line Dave Portnoy's pockets. Yep. Pug question for you. Uh, did you have

any other further conversation with Blake Portals? No, it was just the preliminary conversations. Yeah, so I don't think Pug realizes this. Blake, in the nicest way possible, basically told Pug, I do not care about this. Please do not talk to me. So I last night I was sitting there and I see Pug tweet, does anyone know how to get in touch with Blake Bortles? I think he was just tweeting at me. It was kind of like the ticket fiasco all over again, where he's just too afraid to ask me and he just decided to tweet it. So I then put pug and Blake Bortles on a text chain together. And I said, Blake, I put our producer pug on this text.

Pug is a president of PMT. You're the VP. You guys should be connected. And then pug responded. Thanks, big VP. You guys should be connected." And then Pug responded, thanks Big Cat. What's up, Blake? Didn't want to make any new policies for PMT without safe from the VP. I'll throw some ideas your way and let me know if you have any as well. Look forward to working together. To which Blake replied, Pug, the pleasure is all mine. Hell of a campaign we ran. I want you to know whatever thoughts ideas or wild

hairs you get feel free to act immediately I will always support and keep the border in check chat soon VP that was the nicest way for Blake to say just do it dude. So now we now we have a king. Yeah we have a a monarch. We're gonna have to get bug We're gonna have to get Blake more involved. So I was I was wondering like Did did bug text Blake on the side because that would have been so funny if he did you need to next time? I just wanted to get his approval at first before I went forward. He gave you full approval now that we have that He literally said whatever you want to do you can do Alright so so Pft is picking memes number and memes picking Pft's number. Yes, that is so diabolical

so if This is that yeah No, no so if if if if Pft picks memes number and it means number comes up memes has gotten it the Number Pft picks goes to a long list and the number of memes. Yes. Those sorts of people know hypothetically if that happens, we all agree that we won't give that guy shit and be like, oh, you've never gotten on your own, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. OK. Numbers. Fifteen ninety nine. Oh, good work. Thank you. I'll take three. Memes will have 77 17

Okay, 11 94 put 19 that's Jack. What's what's my number 77? All right 21 feel like those are heavy numbers. When does Jack have to get really cured from not getting it? He's got to at least be able to go for a few months. I think he's got to go a year. He might have like five years. 46! Cone Crescent! Sorry, man.

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