Pardon My Take - All Time US Open, Smylie Kaufman Calls In From Pinehurst, Mike Florio Talking Football + Celtics And Panthers Drop An Stinkers In Game 4's

Episode Date: June 17, 2024

Incredible Sunday finish to the US Open as Bryson DeChambeau wins and Rory chokes. We talk about Rory leaving Pinehurst before doing media and Bryson's complete 180 (00:00:00-00:27:21). Celtics get smoked in Game 4 and we check in on Hank's mentals before Game 5 (00:27:21-00:37:23). The Panthers laid an egg in Edmonton and that series is going back to Florida (00:37:23-00:46:01). Who's back of the week including Bill Belichick's new girlfriend and Jimmy Carter sleeping through full days (00:46:01-01:08:39). Smylie Kaufman joins us from Pinehurst after an incredible US Open and gives us a breakdown of what he witnessed following the last 2 groups on Sunday, Rory's putts, and more (01:08:39-01:45:00). Mike Florio joins the show to talk some football with the guys before teams break for the summer (01:45:00-02:35:50). We finish with Max's minute (02:35:50-02:47:10)You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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Today is Monday, June 17th and holy shit boys that was one hell of a US Open Sunday afternoon Father's Day Bryson DeChambeau wins the US Open Rory McIlroy chokes the US Open but more than anything I love sports it was great it was an iconic back nine. And then to see how it unfolded with Rory looking over shoulder at Bryson the entire time, Bryson mugging for the camera and also Bryson going back to when he played injured on on Saturday. He had the hip. He said he was playing at about 80% this weekend, but they had you had like drone cameras through the treetops seeing Bryson getting his leg worked on.

It was a very, very good weekend of golf. It was like the perfect... Pinehurst was incredible because it was a great test. We talked about it being borderline. There were moments where it was borderline, maybe over the line. Guys hitting shots within 10 feet of the hole and then having it roll all the way back down. But more than anything, it was just what you want in a major Sunday. And it was a guy Bryson who going into Sunday, it was like, he's definitely gonna win. He's got a three shot lead. No one can figure out

this golf course. And then you have the flip where there was that moment where Bryson went to my six under Rory went to eight under like, holy shit, this is going to happen. And then they get back together tied at six under and going down the stretch and Rory missing two putts within five feet? Four feet? I think they were, yeah. The first one was about two and a half, I think. Yeah.

Second one was like three and a half. Listen, I know there was a lot said about afterwards because Rory skipped media. He, here's one dramatic reading from a reporter on site. This is from Steve Reed, AP. He said, Rory McRoy threw his clubs in the back of a tournament sponsored Lexus. Oh my God. Backed out of the parking lot

and spun his tires a little, getting out of the parking lot. spun his tires a little, getting out of the parking lot. Yeah. He did not talk. Spun his tires a little. Would that not be how a car goes? That's how a car moves. Six minutes after DeChambeau makes winning putt,

Rory spins tires on way out of town. And if you saw the video, it was worse than that description. They also squeaked a little bit. Oh. Yeah, and then the camera whoever was filming it Did a nice little touch because as the car drives away going probably 10 miles an hour the camera guy goes whoa Like he almost got hit by it. Yeah, and it was scenes of Scottie Scheffler before the the PGA championship I thought that maybe there's some bystanders that might have been in trouble there

Yeah And then we had people watching Rory and his progress to his private jet and then flight tracker systems Tracking Rory's private jet and seeing that he was in the air. I believe before Bryson's acceptance speech Yeah, so he was he was a poor sport. He was it was a poor sport. We also had this is another We had video of it and Jay Busby said Roy McElroy leaving the clubhouse. He got into his car and drove off. Yeah. Well, the tires spun. Yeah.

Usually when you get in your car, you drive off. Uh, yeah. Poor sport. Uh, if you note, the majority of the poor sport, uh, claims are coming from the media itself, who Roy didn't talk to. I propose, so I have no problem with this. I understand you wanted, I would like to hear from him. We will hear from him at some point. I was thinking about it the way Rory lost

that tournament and the pots that he missed in the 10 years that it's been since he won a major and Bryson who will get to having like an about face where he's the people's champ out there on the course which if you said that four years ago, you'd be like, no fucking way. I would be like, the people suck. Yeah, right, the people have been lead poisoned. Yes. All of that, and you put it into a bottle, and you say, Rory, we want you to stick around

and drink this bottle, while reporters say, what was going through your head on 18? That is actually worse than any torture that you could ever come up with. Like ever. So as much as you want to claim poor sport, I think that every athlete should get one a year where they can just say, I'm not doing this. And this you, if you don't use it, you lose it. So you don't get carry over, but you get one a year where you can just just like, nope, no moss. I can't do it because I would, if I were Rory and I had to sit there and have

Bryson come up to me and be like, that was an incredible fight you put up. You know, what, oh, you played so great. I wish two of us could have won this and then go sit and have some reporter say, Rory, talk me through what happened with that putt that you missed. I'd kill myself. Yeah. Well, I would, I would. I, you can't do that. You gotta get in your Lexus, your, your, your, your tournament sponsored Lexus and spin those tires and get the fuck out of Dodge. Can you imagine if on this show, cause we are members of the media on this show, if, if one of us was like a real, real big winner, and then we made the person who was a big loser

sit while the big winner talked about how big of a winner they were, and we did that for like 30 minutes and then asked the loser to give us comment on that. How terrible, we would never do something like that because we care too much for the people that we work with, but for some reason, golf media wants that to happen and it could never be us.

And the loser then just doesn't show up for the next show. Yeah, no, that would be... We're not going to get into that territory. That's not how we operate. Right, that's not how we operate. We operate with a little bit more class. And it's also very funny that it goes back to like the Marshawn Lynch Super Bowl days or Cam Newton when he skipped the press conference afterwards.

The media gets so mad at the player and then they have all their articles about how this person didn't give them anything to write about. Right. And he actually, Rory gave everybody so much more stuff to write about. Right. So much more stuff to talk about by not answering questions than he did if he had stuck around and just given like deadpan answers of credit to Bryce and he played really, really well. Of course, I'm disappointed, very upset that I missed those putts, you know. Yeah. One of those things, golf's a hard game. That's what Rory would have said. I just did his press

conference right there. Yeah. Golf is a hard game. It's tough to get this close. Credit to Bryce and he played really, really well. I'm very happy for him and happy for golf. That's what he would have said. Yeah. Okay. That's the press comment. But the fact that Rory sped away like Rashid Rice in the parking lot and could have murdered people on his way out, That gives the reporters way more stuff to talk about and way more of a storyline. And more than anything, it gives them a soapbox and a moral high ground to be like, you didn't let us do our job. But you're right. The story is that Rory, and again, it's a ridiculous

story because I really do think that there should just be a one there. Maybe there's someone has to judge it and you like it's almost going to the booth in Toronto or you know the NFL when they do a replay. We just have someone who's watching every sporting event and they just get to judge like all right that was actually such a painful loss they shouldn't have to talk because you can't have a more painful loss than what he had. Yeah. What are we missing out on by not hearing Rory talk?

I want to know Rick Riley is probably mad at Rory because how is he going to make puns about Rory after the game or after the match when he didn't hear him talk afterwards? Tell you what, Rick Riley, I will give you your lead. Yeah. Hey, Rory can't find the hole from within four feet twice. Boy I feel sorry for his ex ex wife ex ex wife. Yeah there you go Rick. Two negatives make a positive. Yeah. Yeah. About the collapse. Oh what do you say. Yeah. Poor Rory golf is the cruelest game. It will pants you in front of the whole schoolyard then steal your lunch

money. Oh yeah. Little personal. Wait, so Rick's talking about personal like the game of golf. It's like 15 year old Roy Mackerel is penis is wait, but that's actually not right because a pantsing with full balls flopping out is so funny. This wasn't funny. This was tragic. Like if you, if you had, if you pants Rory and his in his Dick and balls flopped out for everyone to see That's one of the funniest moments of all time Like if you really pants someone and you get the boxers to yeah, it's happening to me. That's fucking hilarious Mm-hmm. I got you can't you can't tell me different. Wait, Jake, you've been pants. Yeah, we thought

Balls we're playing pick up ball me my friends at home. Uh at home. It just happened. We were in transition. Yeah. Damn. Oh, you were in transition. So no balls. No penis there? No balls. We were in transition on the basketball court. Oh, okay. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Yeah. No. So PFT, you're exactly right that when the story now for all the reporters being like, you didn't let us do our job. We don't have a story to write about. Now you're going to write about this story, how you didn't get to talk to Rory. And on top of that, Rory is going to talk to someone, probably do like a profile or just, you know, some one of these insider guys is going to reach out to him in three days and there's going to be a long story

about how, how disappointed he is. And we're going to get even more content out of it. Like four days from now, we're going to get a Rory story that we can talk about he'll be like I'm I'm sorry that I left this yeah right I was in a very emotional state and then I'll do like that whole thing or you could just answer reporters text message like Brooks yeah actually should we text Brooks I got to see what Rory's what his reaction about early was all right I'm gonna text him I'll say what he we're doing the show right now we're looking for comment on what Rory would have thought. Yeah All right, Hank. We give us your thoughts while I text this cuz you're the big golfer and also congratulations on your Bryson

Yeah, Bryson been riding him every major this year two top fives one today felt like he was gonna lose all day Once he went down to He couldn't hit up drive straight. I was kind of worried about him just switching driver like they said he never swung this driver before until the first tee shot which Was a little alarming Stay woke on that. We've got a theory with smiley. Yeah, I actually like this theory a lot I've that would be his next YouTube video is gonna be such a bang. Yes, whatever it is This is gonna be like I think I won the US open. He won the US open for the content But it was I mean he was hitting it out of the shit every single hole still making birdies unbelievable win

and I mean Rory is fun to root against he's kind of like I have never necessarily been a huge Rory fan Yeah, and in sports, it's always fun. Maybe I'm just a hater, but yeah, I always, as much as I like rooting for the people I like to root for, I love rooting against people too. Like LeBron Rory is not as bad, but like it's, it's, it's kind of fun to watch someone choke. Yeah. And this was a, an ultimate live versus PGA showdown. Yeah. And your live boys came up big. You are a live head. I thought we were told that when a live guy won a major, we would get all the other live guys on the green waiting

for him. Well, Brooks did tweet right away. Oh yeah. They rallied. Yeah. He was actually a great tweet. He said welcome to the club two time US Open champ. That's very nice of him. I was going to say I saw Dustin Johnson wearing the four aces polo. Oh nice. he is playing earlier this week. So that reminded me to ask Hank who the four aces are four aces are Dustin Johnson Patrick Reed Pat Perez Mmm His dad owns something Right. No, I think they had a trade. I'm looking at it now.

Yeah, is it... It's not a guy who's been on the team before. Is it Matthew something? No, you're thinking Matthew Wolf. Oh, man, Hank. DJ, Pat Perez, Patrick Reed. Is he good? When I say the name, you'll be like, yeah, I know him.

Is it Patrick? No. I don't know. Harold Warner III. Oh. Yeah. Bryson. So he has done the full JJ Watt rehabilitation, where the crowd was going crazy for him.

And we're going to get into it more with Smiley on why he's been able to. Bryson has changed who he is. The revisionist history, I know there's a few hardcore Bryson fans, and they should take the victory lap right now, but it's not like, oh, we were all wrong about Bryson. I think Bryson realized that he was really annoying and he's adapted and done a really good job about it. Like he, it was fun watching him play golf. We had this take for the master, so this isn't just because he won. We said that we were kind of slowly

becoming Bryson fans thankfully Brooks they've squashed the beef but he is fun to watch I think it's cuz he has he has a fan base now yeah and when he's happy when he has people behind him he becomes more likable it's when he doesn't have a built-in fan base that he's trying so very hard to be the cool guy and to be the guy that's like you know breaking all the rules doing all the weird shit that's the the guy that's like, you know, breaking all the rules, doing all the weird shit.

That's the part of Bryson that makes you be like, this guy's really, really strange. Right. But when he's actually having fun, Bryson seems like a good dude. And I'll give him credit. I watch his YouTube videos a lot. I've seen a lot of them. He's pretty good. They're pretty entertaining.

Yeah. They're engaging. He was like interacting with the fans a bunch this weekend. And when he's not fighting with the fans when when they're on his side He's a very interesting guy to observe and I kind of like him. I think he's good for golf Well, he his game is fun. He smashes the ball. He makes crazy shots. He screams at his ball screams of the ball He was he was yeah, he was interacting with the crowd unlike any other competing contending player that I can ever remember. And it is,

it's, it's, it's interesting and it's fun and it's unique and he has completely changed and I found myself, I did bet on him because I got in Hank's hole, no big deal. He would never do that for me. I found myself rooting for him because he's interesting. And I think there's, it's the classic story arc that we, you know, you guy gets torn down and then he builds himself back up and you root for it. It's kind of like you were just saying, Hank, that you root against worry. I found myself rooting against worry. I think I'll root for worry the next time because this was so tragic. Even after he threw his clubs in the company,

the tour sponsored vehicle and spun off and spun on and spun wheels. I think like this. Yeah. That's how sports work. Yeah. You take the shit and then you when you when you then have to climb back on top of the mountain the story becomes it's just a deeper more interesting story. Bryson is an interesting story now that has like chapters and layers to it. Yeah there's some weird things that are still being you know ironed ironed out where he's like, Hey, I went to SMU because of Payne Stewart. And they're like, but I also found out pain Stewart went there after I'd already shown up, whatever. Bryson is trying his best. And I think he's actually enjoying playing golf and enjoying interacting with the fans. And I found myself being like thoroughly entertained. And that's what sports are about. He had a couple of awesome shots on 18, the one where the tree was in his backswing.

Everybody watching that was like, he's going to hit the tree. It was like when Hank and you were behind it. By the way, one of my favorite parts of that video. Yeah, I know. So in the video that we put out, the John Daly challenge, Hank was about to take a shot. Most of the comments were, how can Hank be so bad at golf when he plays so much? Also, people complaining about Snickers ice cream bars, and those people, I love you for watching, but holy fuck, you need to get your head checked. That was the biggest issue of your life.

But I love the fact that they care so deeply. I do too. It keeps us honest, honestly. Yeah, it does. But also, I just imagined someone typing out, like, this whole thing is bullshit. It was Snickers ice cream bars. Ice cream bars, yeah. And then stomping off to bed. Yeah.

I actually love that video. I respect it. I respect it. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, so on this one sequence in the John Daly challenge video, Hank has a tree in his backswing. Big Cat, as a good teammate, I'm not going to say whether or not Hank would do the same thing for Big Cat, but Big Cat sees that, gets out, fights the tree off for Hank.

Beat the shit out of the tree. Hank has a beautiful backswing, no tree in the area. Big Cat steps up, takes his shot from the same area. Hank does not repay the favor. The tree assaults Big Cat. It was like Angel Reese against Caitlin Clark. Big Cat gets bodied by this tree. And then Big Cat screams at Hank for not fighting

off the tree, which is a fair complaint. And then Big Cat's like, I can't believe I just, I would kill any tree for my guys. Then me and Big Cat drive off in her golf cart and Big Cat immediately drives me into a tree. Yeah, I spun off. He went right into a tree. It was awesome. Yeah. But, yeah. But I would fight any tree for anyone. I didn't see that tree. You also were kind of leaning

a little out. Yeah, you were manspread for anyone. I didn't see that tree. You also were kind of leaning a little out Yeah, you were man spread it. So I was man spread it But so so Bryson has a lot of Snickers Bryson has the ice cream bar Bryson's got the tree in his backswing Nobody thinks he can get the ball out because it's like buried and Bryson was in the native area the entire weekend It was crazy. He was just like fuck it I'll hit into the bush So he gets out gets to the bunker and then hits one of the greatest bunker shots that you'll ever see under the circumstances, and then drains the putt.

The ending of that tournament was what golf should be about. Because not only do you have Bryson doing all this cool shit, but you've also got the multi-cam, you've got the picture in picture of Rory watching on a, what I have to assume is a tiny TV, in the very sad back room where they sign their golf. And you can see him, he's rooting so hard against Bryson,

but he can't outwardly be like, come on, miss it, because he's a golfer and you have to be a good sport. So you get to see the putt, you get to see the heartbreak all in one. It was just awesome TV. The whole thing was incredible. We also had, did you see that we had a, like, who's better to the fans contest

going down the stretch? I did the stretch. There was a guy who was in a wheelchair and it was like Rory gave him a ball and then Bryson came and signed his hat and like all the media like Rory incredible move giving him a ball and then quote treating him like well actually Bryson signed his hat and it was just they were competing in everything. I wonder I was curious if he asked Bryson sign his hat and it was just, they were competing in everything. I wonder, I was curious if he asked Bryson to sign his hat or if Bryson was just like, I think he just signed it. wheelchair sign, see you later. Like credit to Bryson, it, by all accounts, he was awesome to the fans, stayed late, took

all these pictures. He was walking around the trophies and he wanted all the fans to touch the trophy. I love that. That like they, you could say it's cheesy and that he's trying to get goodwill. I don't care. He's giving people a moment that they'll remember forever. And that's all that matters. Touch the US Open trophy. It was an awesome, awesome weekend. And then we also had Patrick Cantley who I got a fan. Is there any fan out there?

No, everybody was really, it was like, I will tolerate either Rory or Bryson winning. I'll enjoy either one of those two. Patrick, just get the fuck out. He's- Xander Schauffele. Yeah, Xander's a good friend of his. His wiggle on putts makes me want to punch a hole in my TV. He just stands there and wiggles a hundred times. And this is, I have resting anger face,

so I don't, you know- Oh, he's got bitch face, yeah. He's got resting anger face. Like I see him and I'm like, that's what people think when they see me like he just always looks miserable He's also kind of got it like a dumpy dumpy ass. He does. Yeah, his body's like kind of dumpy I don't know. Yeah, he could definitely tighten it up. He looks like a really cheap pair not to get personal. Yeah, he's dumpy He's Humpty Dumpty. Yeah. Yeah, it was awesome. I and shout out the course was incredible

Oh, yeah, the borderline sometimes over the line It was borderline borderline and and Rory hit that one shot on the back nine that it was an awesome shot And then just rolled probably like 40 yards off the green. Yeah, it was like, okay, the course isn't fucking around right now I like to see that the course baked out a little bit. I've got a stat from Rory and his putting specifically. So this season he was 496 for 496 putting inside three feet this season before he missed that one putt and then he missed the other one which I would assume he's probably a similar statistic from like three and a half four and a half feet. I would have made it. Yeah I would have made it because in a situation like that what you have to do, I would have made the first one.

Second one looked hard. No, no, no, but you don't miss the second one unless you miss the first one. Because then the first one's in your head, but I would have concentrated. I also would have just asked if it's good. Maybe they would say, yeah. That's gimme range.

Yeah, yeah, that's it right there. Yeah, it was a great tournament, great fun. Bryson, I think we're trying to get him on the show. I mean, it is crazy. I found myself rooting for him, yeah. But he's done all the right things where he- If he has lingering beef with you guys, I would respect it. Oh yeah, I would too.

But that would honestly make me like him more. But Brooks squashed the beef. We squashed the beef when Brooks squashed the beef. And then it took us a while to come around to actually liking him, which happened a few months ago. We, oh, you're, are you team, are you trying to, we're a team. Of course. I wanted to come on the show.

You just said if he had beef with you guys, I'd respect it. We're wrong. Well, hold on a second. We're. What do you mean by you guys? You guys. We are, we are. We are. We are. You know, I'm saying but like there was there was the shows when all that stuff

was happening. I don't think I was speaking on them at all. But we're so you were. So you're saying right now that you're always been a Bryson over a Brooks guy. No, he could have been with me. It's us. It's us. But I'm saying like I was not you guys. Like I wasn't you guys are the two co-hosts. I wasn't speaking on those. If you're if listen, I wasn't speaking on those shows. Like I'm sure he listened to those podcasts back in the day. It was probably like, damn, these guys are fucking roasting me. Fuck them. I don't think I was involved in those roastings, even though I felt the same way. Why? We never do a show where you didn't talk, Hank. So you're just basically trying to slide out the back door and be like, it wasn't me.

No, no. I'm with it. Do you stand behind everything we've said about Bryson as a podcast? Yes. You stand behind everything we've said as a podcast? Yes. Okay. We'll find some things that you're not going to be. Uh, yeah, no, I, I'm, I'm legitimately excited to, to watch Bryson. That was fun. He has, he's turned it. He's turned it. He's done the impossible. The USA chants rocked. And then you had a couple of the, the loser golf media people and like

the one guy, one of the guys who took the live money and you're chanting USA. Well, to be fair to Bryson, he did apologize for 9-11. Oh yeah, that's right. He did. So actually Bryson's been on a real hot streak since he apologized for 9-11. Yeah. Maybe that's all it took. Yeah. It was his, he took all the ownership.

That was an all time hilarious clip. Yeah. Sorry. And one last big loser we should just mention is member one Zach Johnson didn't put Bryson on the Ryder Cup team. Yep, yep. That was fun. I just watched full swing in the last two weeks and that shit's infuriating.

Yeah, crazy. Infuriating. Crazy. Okay, should we talk a little basketball? I am bummed out that we only have, we've only got one more major this year. I know. It feels like we should have two. Yeah, I don't like that the PGA changed and jumped ahead. I don't like it either

It was always nice that they gave us one at the end also a finish like this I think needs to put some pressure and Momentum on the merger happening because the fact that we get to see these guys clash and drama like this only happening four times a year Oh, there's so unfortunate. There porch there is there's what is it? There's an outline now. Yeah, they have an outline so before like a year ago almost to the date a year ago They had the framework and now as per like a week ago. Not only do they have the framework, but they've got an outline What's next well? I think there? I think they're gonna rough. Yeah rough draft They're waiting till Tuesday to announce details because they don't want to take

away from the tournament. So we'll see. Okay. We'll see how, I loved getting an outline done in school and just being like, yeah, I got an outline. It's basically done. I think next is actually a verbal agreement on the outline. Yeah. And then you move to rough draft. But seriously, the fact that we get to see guys like this compete four times a year, like we need, we need that year round. Well, I mean mean you get to see it all the time if you have the CW network No, but Rory versus Bryson guy yeah, but you can always be like all right well Bryson shot Bryson versus Harold Varner

Yeah, exactly yeah all this shit Format what he was Bryson on prices on the crushers. Okay. Is that what's that's a great name wait? What is the what is Brooks team? Smash Smash? Yeah, totally different team different name crushers. So who else is on Bryson's team, Hank? Bryson Yep. No, I am no. Oh, that was a guy Yeah, I don't know anyone else this was this was such a bittersweet weekend for Greg Norman too. Oh yeah.

Because Greg is probably happy with the whole Liv thing. He still considered himself very much part of that. And then- Well, he's getting booted though. But then- Yeah. But maybe not. We don't know yet.

He's still- Find out with the outline. He's still swimming around. Yeah, the outline- The outline might not address Greg Norman. It might just be written by Greg Norman. Yeah. But Greg Norman, probably partially happy because of Liv one, but address Greg Norman. It might just be written by Greg Norman. Yeah. But Greg Norman, probably partially happy because the live one.

But also, Greg Norman started a trend because Rory melted down. Right. And they're like, this is exactly like when Greg Norman didn't win that major. He gets brought up. Yeah. Yeah.

Are we supposed to talk some basketball? Some hoop? We're running out of time. Oh, we are? Let's talk some hoop. How much time do we have? We don't have as much tape left. So we haven't been together since, or we didn't, last time recorded was Thursday night.

So I'll swap three nothing. The first 30 minutes were just for the Hank heads out there. Rave reviews from that episode. Yeah. Yeah, from your parents. People were very upset. I didn't really understand, I'll defend you for a very upset. I didn't really understand. I'll defend you for a second, Hank.

I didn't understand some of the criticism, because you were literally at Tom Brady's retirement and he mentioned you. Imagine if we didn't talk about that on the show? Yeah. Be insane. That would be insane. But- It was a Hank Lazing.

It was a Hank Lazing, which you deserve. It was your birthday everything then Friday happened and The Celtics are still up 3-1. I still think they're gonna win this series probably tonight But holy fuck did they get smoked? Yeah bad 35 points in the first half was Shocking shocking they were they down 50 at one point. It got

close. They might have been down 50 at one point. Yeah it was like it was like 90. Yeah I think it was like 90 to 40 or something. I don't know if it was 50 exactly but it was those that was that was a real scoreboard at one point. They missed a bunch of layups they missed every single shot. They gave themselves a cushion though. Yeah. Like that game's not going to matter when it's all said and done. Unless they, they keep winning. Right. But that's not going to happen either. Okay. So what, what are your nerves? So I saw Dave tweeted this. He said, I'm 0% nervous about the Celtics, but if they lose on Monday night, I will be very nervous. So, the question then, so if you went by that,

how nervous are you that they will lose tomorrow night? I think they're going to win tonight. But they built a 3-0 cushion. Even if they lose game five, obviously then it will be real nerves you know losing some sleep thinking about it a lot but I still think they would win game 6 and even if they lose game 6 they have a home game they have two home games to win a championship. It sounds like you might be you're nervous about being nervous. Right.

Like you're not nervous yet. You're pre nervous. I'm not nervous yet if they lose Monday night that I would I'd be nervous So you don't know I'd be a little nervous. I'm 0% nervous right if they lose Monday night I would not be like Dave said he would be all the way nervous. I would get pretty nervous Okay, but not even up three two. It's like but here's my question Then what how nervous are you that they're going to lose tomorrow night? I'm tonight 0% you 0% chance the Mavs are going to win.

Fifteen percent. Okay, so then you're 15% nervous. Oh, you're 15% to the way to being pretty nervous. Yeah, because then they lose game. If they lose game five, then what percent nervous are you? 50? 40? I don't think you should be nervous. I'm not. But you are. You're 15 percent nervous. Well every game you know you get nervous for every single game. You can't take these things lately. You got to go out there and execute. So it's like you can't. No don't bring humble Hank back. You got it. No well no but you got to be. You got a dig. You get respect. It was your opponent. It was really it was a whopping. They got absolutely destroyed. They were never down 50. They were down 40 plus. And the was really it was a whopping they got Absolutely destroyed. They were never down 50

They were down 40 plus and the fact that it was that bad would make me a little bit nervous I'm looking real hoop heads out there aberration. They were playing I actually said it in the moment it's it was kind of cool that a bunch of guys that were never gonna play in the NBA finals got a Decent amount of minutes and you like yeah, I scored a buck in the NBA finals got a decent amount of minutes and be like, yeah, I scored a bucket in the NBA finals. The great Joel and beat stats. Who are some of those guys out there? You had the one guy who looked like Jalen Brown. Oh, Shabber set. No, uh, number 12. I don't know. He looked like he was in the brown. You had a, um, he's number 12. Yeah. Number 12. He kind of moves like Jim. He's like a, he's, he's, he's basically like a body double. Then you had a, did you have a, a small Charlie villain wave out there?

You help like what was going on from Arkansas? Yeah. It was crazy. Oh, I remember. Yeah. He was good. He was our first round pick. I liked him. Yeah. And the Mavs had yet just, it was, it was crazy. Yeah. I mean, I was at a bar where they were playing, you know, they did the music in between during commercials and then game sound when the game was on. Third quarter, they just stopped playing the game sound. It was just all music. It was over.

I bet I was like 18 and a half, Prichard and the bench are going to fight back and make this thing respectable. And it just went the complete opposite. The fact that it was that bad, do you think that there's any part of anybody on the Celtics roster that was like, I really want to close this out at home? No, but I think when it's that bad, it's easy to just forget about it. It's easier to just completely forget about and move on than if it was a close loss that maybe they were winning and should have won, but then they blew it. And that would creep in more I think than just getting your doors blown off because it was it was a combo. The Celtics played bad the Mavs played great and they were hitting everything

and they were playing defense right there playing defense and all the role players were hitting shots. Okay so you're not you're you're you're 15 percent nervous about tonight. What about Christoph's because that would be the only thing that would make you nervous because they kind of are saying that he could play. I feel like if he plays, it's going to be Kevin Durant in the finals kind of thing. Like he's just going to get hurt. Yeah. I kind of read the game for questionable and I feel like he's probably not going to play game five. That seemed like a situation where they were going to just, he's questionable to play and they were going to put him in like if they were up and they were going to win a

championship. Oh, to like get him on the court? Yeah. I don't think he's going to contribute anything meaningful if he does get on the court. No, I don't, I don't think so. Everything I've read, it seems like if he gets on a court and tries to run up and down, he's just going to get hurt again. Yeah. And Tillman was saying in practice, if he gets on a court and tries to run up and down, he's just going to get hurt again. Yeah. And Tillman was saying in practice, like he is not a hundred percent, which is probably not the smartest thing for a player to say about his own teammate. But he was like, he looks, he looks rough.

Let me ask you this. Now he was also questionable before game three and then they, they ruled him out. Right? So if the games had been flip-flopped if game three was a massive blowout and then game four was like game three Would you be nervous? More nervous more nervous than then is because right now it feels like gentlemen sweep. Yeah. Yeah, I mean 3o when you have a 3o cushion though I Mean, there's no way there's just no way they have two home games. No worst case worst case scenario

It's not there. They're real you know way, but it's here's how time. We say no way. It's just no way. They have two home games. Worst case scenario, worst case scenario they have three 0s. I agree with you no way, but it's crazy to say no way. Here's how time works. It's not a 3-0 lead. You have a 3-1 lead. Yeah. And it could be 3-2 in 24 hours. And then forget about 3-0. It was almost never 3-0. Yeah, then you just start the series at 3-2. I don't know what their record is when you combine

the playoffs, but they've lost 12 games. They're not, if they, if they go one and a one and four, that would be insane. Oh, and four. Are you upset at all? That would, that would, that would net that they got bounced out of the 80 wins, 20 loss club. Yeah. What do you think about Joel Embiid finally being in attendance for Celtics loss there in the finals? He did great. He was he was fantastic on the analyst desk. I wish Max was here. He was he was really really good. It was good to see him out there. Had some really really funny points and interesting analysis. And he was tampering. And the good news is he has time. Like this is something he could do every finals

Yeah, I'm happy for him. I have something positive for you Hank I Know they have nothing to do with each other but what when 17th is like a Historical date for the Celtics. Oh, okay. That's what you're gonna say. Do you want to go?

No, no, no. Go ahead. No, no, no. No, I want to know what, you said historical. I had to look at, there's, I forget what it is. Okay. All right, you look it up and I'll tell you what I- Well, and 617 is Boston area code.

Okay, so what I was gonna say is they have nothing to do- That rocks. Yeah. That rocks. Did they win on another 617 days? I think so. I think that's when they beat the Lakers They played the Lakers a few times well the history them. Okay. I'll look at

The most common NBA finals match up When Hank told me when he told me his reason was 6 1 7 is the Boston area code My first thought was like you fucking piece of shit like that's the most mass whole thing That's gonna happen. But then I was like no that yeah I can have all I can see a guy with his shirt off with a big six one seven tattoo across his chest Maybe on his neck maybe fresh out of jail for robbing a bank. He's like the fucking Celtics, dude It's gonna happen seven six one seven kid. I'm over seven a one guy, but Sean Grand This was from him six seventeen was a date the Celtics won their last championship in 2008 late got it three of the icons

We've lost in the year since Bill Russell number six John Havlicek 17 Sam Jones 24 game five we played in Boston on 617 24 was bill once left out Was bill Walton's number for the seltzer see was he eight i think bill walsh is pausing his numbers okay i'm trying to do the numerology he was number five game five five five oh shit hank let's go it's over zero percentage what i was gonna say was was Hank, another positive thing for you. They have nothing to do with each other, but in my dumb brain they have everything

to do with each other. The fact that the Panthers then lost eight to one in the exact same setup made me feel like both teams are just going to like... Listen, I'm not a gambling expert, but Panthers Celtics Moneyline Parlay, game five, feels like it could potentially happen. Yeah, that's not a bad idea. It does stink of the league needing more games. But even those games were such blowouts that you can't blame refs, and it was more like, these teams are up 3-0, and they know they can go home, and they know they can go home and they know they're better. And the minute the game, like the Mavs jumped on the Celtics, the Oilers jumped on the Panthers. 10 minutes in and you're like, I don't really want it. Let's just go home. Yeah. Go home and win this.

I know that's not how it works, but at some point it does work like that. Yeah. In third quarter you tell me that Joe, Joe Missoula was like, no, let's try to win this game. Yeah. He was like, fuck it. Let's just take, let's try to win this game. Yeah, he was like fuck it Let's just take it home Panthers the same way the it I also have the greatest gambling system ever I saw I turned on the game Shania Twain was doing a free concert outside and I bet the Oilers cuz I said anytime Shania Twain does a free concert bet the home team It's one-to-no lifetime. Okay, anything special about about Shania. I love her. Yeah, she's good. Yeah, she she's the best she is really good don't impress me much any man of mine

yeah no didn't you forget how to sing because she got dumped I don't know I think she did I think that it like took her voice away heartbreak took her voice away I feel like a woman bomb Bom, bom, bom, bom. She has Schneider. Can I confess something? Because I feel like I need to be transparent when talking to our listeners about any sport that we've watched on TV.

I watched about maybe 15 seconds of the game on Friday. Not because I wanted to skip it. And I did watch a bunch of highlights. Very good of you. Hand up. I had planned on did watch a bunch of highlights. Very good of you. Hand up. I had planned on being home to watch the game. Very important game, game five. Or excuse me, game four.

I got my car back from the shop. And guess what? She starts. Oh. I felt like. Cruising. I felt like, no, no, no. I was running some errands.

The lights work. Yeah, lights work now. The turn signal just goes. It works. But the lever just shifts back and forth. So I always have one signal on. You can never tell which one it's going to be. But so I was trying to get home for the game.

I take my car on some errands. So I've got to go to Home Depot, get some stuff, whatever. I try to start it leaving Home Depot and it didn't start again. So then my car was busted and now I'm like, what the fuck do I do? And then I fixed it myself. I, I went, I got gas at a gas station. I can, and I brought it back. It was out of gas.

Nice. So I feel like I am becoming a car guy, but in that time where I had to bike to the gas station, buy the gas tank, bike back, fill the car up, then drive to a real gas station to get the tank all the way filled by the time I got back, it was past halftime and I just couldn't watch the full game. So hand up. I will admit that. Yeah. But I did see the highlights and it wasn't. Yeah. I looked at the box score. Yeah. Heavily. It wasn't, uh, every, you didn't miss anything. It was that much of a blowout and it was like, you could just tell. It was a summer league game for the fourth quarter. Yeah. No, it was. They have never seen that where it wasn't even, it was at the end

of the third quarter. Yeah. They were pulling everyone. And who do we have MVP right now? Probably Jaylen Brown. Yeah. Okay. I did see that Luca has- It's still though. It's still if Tatum goes off off. He could he could still win it I saw that Luca does have the highest plus minus of any player in the series. It's not crazy. Yeah Well, he's been really good and then I mean game three he was bad and he got bad fouls, but he's Scoring. I mean every first half he's he's like almost 20 points. Yeah And he played defense on Friday he did he moved his feet. Yeah, I think Wendy

couple hands ups like he yeah, Wendy woke up woke a monster in that respect You also should not feel nervous because Kyrie has to play in front of the Boston crowd. Mm-hmm And he's not doing well doing that Do we want to do who's Back of the Week? Yeah. Or anything else? There might be one other thing we should do. Oh. What?

What? Maybe a special guest? Oh, are you talking about Max? We're going to do it after. We're going to do Max later. We have more stuff to talk about. Okay. More stuff for him to listen to?

Yeah. Like, I was going to bring up the fact that if, I'm not going to do this for Who's Back of the Week, but Who's Back of the week could have been the Baltimore Orioles because the Philadelphia Phillies finally played a real team and the Orioles kicked the shit out of them. Yeah. But that yeah, Max is actually listening. He got, he couldn't get his flight back because he's like Rory. He just took his ball and went home. But we told him take notes and after the interviews We'll have him do max's minute where he can correct anything that we say that's wrong, but I

Saw a report saying that he was crying after Thursday show max was crying he was crying during Thursday show crying during Thursday show and So we'll get any corrections to that listen Orioles kicked the shit out of the Philly they beat the shit out of him It was fucked them up. They got thr shit out of them. It was bad. They got throttled. They throttled them. And also, apparently, the Philadelphia Water Dogs didn't have a good showing this weekend either.

Our team sucks. I think we should fire Max. I watched both. We lost in overtime in both games. Not from the podcast, from whatever role he has with the Water Dogs. Yeah, he's a big time loser. Max has been fired from the Philadelphia water dogs. Saturday's game we scored with

like a second left and it was so thrilling and then they went I went to take a piss and overtime started and we had already lost. I came back and they were celebrating like how did this happen? They showed the replay they just got the fucking face off and went I didn't know you were allowed to do that. I'll tell you how it happened. Max. Yeah, we suck. Uh, okay. Before we do who's back game time, game time. Did you know you can get tickets to the Cubs game? Pug went on Friday. Holly Pug. What? Holly Pug. Holly Pug. Game time did hook them up. Uh, also Pug screw me because I've had many people reach out about my tickets and I've told them

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Well, you got to get there early if you want to get a good split because there's guys that get there the minute they open. I a good split because there's guys that get there The minute they open we go hand get their seats But yeah, you go hample mode on their ass big time. All right, Hank My respect Lucas bill Belichick. Yes. Yes. Oh Bill. Wow, Bill. Wow, Bill summer of Bill TMZ came out with a report that Confirmed what I think a lot of people already kind of knew or speculating about. Did you know? Yeah.

I know. Why didn't you tell us? I did. Why did you tell us on the show? Why did you tell the listeners? You could have had that. I'm not going to talk about the coach's personal business. I don't know if it was...

I found out when Hank found out and I was expecting Hank to bring it up at some point. Wow. Yeah, you've kept it. CFT knew too. That's not my business to put out. He's not my business. not. That is captive from the listeners. That's I hear she's a lovely lady. Well, I actually read some stuff about her. Can I share? Do you have it? No. Okay. I read the TMZ article. Instagram. Oh, you went through her Instagram. Do you follow her? I do now.

Okay. Good. Good. Uh, according to one of, uh, Hudson's, what's her name? Jordan Hudson. Jordan Hudson. According to one of Hudson's former cheerleading teammates, Hudson first met the 72 year old on a flight from Boston area bound for Florida way back in 2021 and bonded over philosophy project the student athlete had been working on. We're told they swapped contact information after landing and stayed friendly through the ensuing months discussing her schoolwork and the X's and O's of her cheerleading routines. They bonded over her

homework philosophy homework. Yeah, her homework. Bill helped her with her homework. Philosophy homework. Yeah. Her homework. Bill helped her with her homework. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, eight. Yeah. How old is she? He loves studying film. He loves being prepared. That's like his entire mo. I'm not judging. I'm just saying it's beautiful that they bonded over her homework. I think Plato was the original guy that said, do your job. Yeah. Right. Right. What is, what is the film room if not, but a cave there it is That's all you know is the the dancing flickers of light in front of you showing your tight end Laying a block on a weak side lineback that becomes your reality. Yes. You have no idea about the outside world. Uh

It goes on to say Belchuk was spotted rooting her on at a cheerleading competition in March. I did homework and cheerleading competition. I did hear Bill might've, uh, maybe missed a, uh, a couple of team events to go to a cheerleading practice, but he didn't miss his girlfriend's cheerleading practice. It's very important. Yeah. Okay. And then finally we're told Hudson and entrepreneur and philosopher. That's good. That's a good combo. Has even begun helping Belichick with his business endeavors. That's good. Beautiful. I know just reading from the article. I'm not saying I'm not editorializing any of this. I'm just reading the words from the article. Probably start doing a podcast or something. It's beautiful.

Sounds good. Great. That She met an entrepreneur, philosopher, and they bonded over homework in her cheerleading practice. Entrepreneur, philosopher, and cheerleader. Cheerleader. All rolled into one. Sounds like quite a catch for people. That's triple threat. Yeah.

That's triple threat. And how old is he? 72. But age is just a number. 71. No, it says 72 right here. It's probably not even a physical thing. They probably were just attracted to each other's minds at first.

Well, she was probably, she probably thought he was hot. Homework. Yeah. Anytime you can bond over homework. Do you think, do you think she got good grades on that homework? Do you think they're going steady? Do you ever ask someone for help, you know, on a flight? On homework?

No. Yeah, just whatever they're working on. I've never asked anybody for help on a flight. No. I'm always whatever they're working on. I've never asked anybody for help on a flight. No. I'm always in control on a flight. Usually I'm in the exit row and I have not had a single fatality under my watch. You think she was like pounding and she's like, ah, what's wrong?

I just can't figure out my homework. What is life? Let me take a look at that. Listen, Belichick, she just lives his life. I'm not judging at all. It's just you can't tell me those Sentences weren't at least a little funny. Oh, no, it's very funny I found it over homework in Chile I imagined him like looking over at her at her book not even at her He doesn't realize who she is. He just looks over his was that Nietzsche and then they lock eyes and then they're like

Oh my god, love it for a sight. You think they have a big calendar in their kitchen? It says, oh, Jordan's cheerleading practice today. I don't know if they're living there. Pick me up. Does he drop her off? Oh, homeworks, you got schoolwork, school project coming up.

What's your name? Jordan Hudson. Jordan Hudson with an O at the end, though, two O's. Oh, that's red flag. That's red flag Hank follows any any name that has a weird misspelling like that or ends in an I Do you think red flag you up from school today? Jordan Hudson, let's see. What kind of entrepreneurs she Philosopher entrepreneur. It actually says right now philosopher entrepreneur girl scout. Aren't all entrepreneurs just the same? Isn't that just a blanket statement?

What? Wait. Entrepreneur. What do you mean is a blanket statement? Like it doesn't need to be a type of entrepreneur. Now you're getting philosophical. Yeah, now you're getting real. Bill would love this conversation. Like anyone that... If you... Does anything as an entrepreneur. No, if you start a business, you're an entrepreneur. I want to know what her business is. Right.

I think she might just have the entrepreneurial spirit. That could very much be what happened here. Oh, he's on a it was on a let's see more recently, Bill was seen in March at one of her competitions and is reported to have accompanied her on a business trip to Croatia. So she's doing business deals in Croatia. Yeah, that's legit. Yeah, I'm happy for Bill. He seems like he's very happy. Does he not? Very happy. Yeah. So we should be supportive. She was almost Miss Maine. Oh, that's pretty good. That's not a bad state. And she but she was a murder. But almost.

She competed in Miss Maine. Miss Maine participant. What's murder but almost she competed in Miss Maine Miss Maine participant Okay, so Finalist for Miss Maine. She was she was a competitor in Miss Maine. Okay. Okay. She was the co main event co-main event. Yeah Well, you're saying I think she looks like an outstanding young woman. Yeah, you too. She's a birder too a birder. Oh, she birds What is that? You don't know bird. You don't know wing. She just looks at birds. Yeah listens to birds Oh, no, it's more about Hank doesn't know what it is either. Oh, yes, it is It's your bird watching not bird listening. No, but you listen I had it

I had a science, but that's not the main event The main event is watching and he would just take us out saying me to fit you just take us out in the woods They're like, all right ready ready? This is what you're going to hear. I'm going to be boo boo boo boo boo. Yeah. What was that? What was that? He was a bird fanatic. I wish I was more into birds and could tell you, but you know what we're going to get, let's get a bird around the show. Yeah. The summer. That's the perfect summer guest. You know what? I want a bird in, in, in studio. We'll do, I want to interview a birder and then we'll have a PMTV. We'll go listen

to some birds. Go birds. Yeah, go birds. So Hank, you just said that your bird acts with love this, your bird teacher was my science teacher was a bird. He was a birder, but he was saying that this is the sound and that's how you identify them by the sound. But the only reason you're figuring out what sound is so that you can look at that bird. Right. Oh, that's a whippoorwill. I've never seen a whippoorwill. Where is it? It's about watching the birds.

It's not about listening. Well, we'll find out. I think it's a combination. I think it's a combination. Do you check it off? Do you check it off your little bird list if you're in the woods and you hear a goldfinch? It has to.

Like, yep, just heard that when no one had a look at the bird. But it has to be at least somewhat about hearing it. I almost saw a goldfinch. No, we'll hear them. We'll find out. You hear them interacting. Yeah, we'll find out. You want to hear him talk. We'll find out. Hey, none of us are experts. You're kind of sounding like you're judging. Yeah, you

are. I'm not being judgmental about sound like you're an expert. We'll talk to an expert. Okay. It has to be at least a little bit of sound. Oh, yeah. You use the sound. But the point of using the sound is he's an expert. I'm an expert. Wait, is she a birder? Yeah, I in her Instagram bio that's good okay all right PFT she sounds very nice very nice I'm happy for coach yep and his philosopher girlfriend me too good luck on all homework my who's back the week is Caitlin Clark Angel Reese arguments yeah I don't think that we should

do a full discussion on this because it sucks. And also it was just a regular foul. It sucks. It was a flagrant one. Yeah, but she went for the ball and hit her head. I know like whatever. If you want to, if you want to hear what Caitlin Clark has to say about it, she said it was just normal hard foul. She, you could see where she tries to hit the ball, misses the ball and then hits her with her elbow on her head. That play happens all the time in basketball. Yeah. So, so get ready. You know what? We haven't even gotten to the Monday takes because there's a lot of people out there that are, they're writing their columns, writing their

columns right now about this and what, what Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese means to America. And then there was the other side being like Caitlin Clark has a responsibility to stand up and speak out against people who are speaking on her back everyone just shut the fuck up to see the article that I'm happy she'd make the Olympic team at this point yeah we're gonna break now we get a break I want to break look at WNBA loses like 20 million million a year. I think it's more now too. They had to, yeah, they're reporting. The private planes.

Yeah. They came out with a report and it's like gotten worse year over year. This is why we can't have nice things. Yeah. It sucks. I need a break. I need a timeout. I'm asking for a timeout.

My other who's back of the week, plug God, the dozen. Oh yeah. Dozen tournaments this week. So I'm competing in the dozen on the experts, big cats competing on the dozen. Oh, yeah as in tournaments this week So I'm competing in the dozen on the experts big cats competing on the yak Hank. You're you're still competing They're still on that team with me. Okay. I didn't know that you were still on the team They've been actually the second highest score on the team the defending champion team. Yeah, that's amazing As your team won we were in the finals the last two years. Ooh, how about that? Nice? This feels like the year this feels like you keep talking

I hope they ask a question about birds and you don't know it. Jake's on a team. Jake's on a team. Giant XYZ We play tonight. Who do you play? 740 Eastern Time. We play the booze ponies Okay, the real real mental giants. Yeah, the booze ponies. Who plays big cat in the act? Yeah Okay, and who do you play big cat? The winner. Okay, so you have a bye. Yeah. Yeah, we wereze ponies when he plays big cat in the yeah, yeah, okay, and who do you play big yet the winner? Okay, so you have a bye. Yeah. Yeah, we were the second ranked team. Okay, we're playing macro dosing you have a bye Yeah, wow, you're one of the top four teams. Yeah, fuck. That's really you guys said one of the top four records this year We have a bioware the top 14. So that must mean surely that you're going to top four records Yeah, you did have one of the top four records

surely that you had one of the top four records. You did have one of the top four records. They had five. Or did you just get the league to write you guys in? Well, I don't know how the divisions work in conference. That's true. Conference, they just get the buzz. It's confusing. But yeah, the winner of macro dosing versus the experts plays against Hank and the Hank hats.

Nice. So I'm really looking forward to that. Team Minahan. Hank is the second leading scorer. Kirk holds up Hank. Hank holds up Rico. Hank is a trivia god. Pretty much captain the team to a bye.

I've been to a championship. Yeah. I'm excited. You've been to a championship? I went to a championship my first year. What? Yeah. Me, and Reg.

Oh, Dante and Reg. Dante and Reg. Yeah, yeah, that's right. You have. Hank just kept showing up. He's like, I can't believe I'm still here. All right, I have two who's backs. The first is British people complaining about normal temperatures. So I don't know if you saw, but in England, this maybe was over the weekend or the next couple days, they're gonna reach a high of 26 degrees Celsius, and it's gonna stay that hot for 48 hours. 26 degrees Celsius is, Hank, guess.

96. 78. Oh. Come on. And I, so I was like, this can't be real. I was gonna say, that seems low, but if they're complaining already, this can't be real. I was going to say 20, that seems low, but if they're complaining already, it's gotta be. Apparently all of England doesn't have air conditioning. I didn't realize that. That's the big complaint that they just don't have

air conditioning. Yeah. Which go on fucking Amazon and buy some, buy an air conditioning unit one to 78 degrees is almost that's like maybe four degrees hotter than my perfect weather. Yeah, 78 degrees is wonderful degrees outside. It's perfect degrees. It is almost perfect. It does stink though if you get above like 75 inside your own apartment. That's bad.

Of course, just go outside where it's beautiful out. It does feel, for some reason degrees outside. It feels awesome. 78 degrees inside feels like you're in hell. Correct. What's the difference? But just I will cause there's probably a breeze. You get the breeze. So just open your window. Yeah you can open the window and open your window at the breeze in. I mean this is 78 degrees. You can't. And maybe we have some British AWLs you can explain to me that I also saw some people saying well all of our houses are old and And we don't have a see in a new house. Yeah, I don't know fucking move to America

Yeah, how old are we talking about here? I don't know dude go. You know what go into a pool Do they don't have pools in England? Yeah, they probably don't they definitely don't they definitely don't have pools They have fountains. They have a lot of fun that you can go look at Yeah, they probably don't. They definitely don't. They definitely don't have pools. They have fountains. They have a lot of fountains. You can go look at. Yeah, right. But you don't have a pool that you take your shirt off and your pasty white body gets just fried to a crisp. 78 degrees is crazy. And then my other who's back is Jimmy Carter.

Jimmy Carter, who it was reported the other day that Jimmy Carter is no longer awake every day, grandson says. Okay. Isn't that just dead? So he's back? No, not every, he's not awake every day, but he's not awake every day, grandson says. OK. Isn't that just dead? So he's back? No, not every. He's not awake every day, but he's not not awake.

The days that he's just not awake, is he dead? I'll put it this way. Every time Nick Castellanos hits a home run, I am terrified that Jimmy Carter News is about to happen. I'm not. There's no terrified left. He's not awake every day. The guy just let him die.

He's been in hospice for like a year and a half. I actually would be pissed if I was his wife. That like you die and then it's like, did you not even love me? You're supposed to die right away after your long time wife died. She died like 16 months ago and he's just been not awake every day since.

Yeah, Big T made a great point. He said that Jimmy Carter started to come back to life once he stopped building houses, when he was like 98 years old. Yeah. It's like once you take a break, then it's like, oh yeah, maybe I'm not about to die. Maybe I was just working out in the sun, putting roofs on apartments all day. Yeah, this it's dude. He, the pictures of him, he actually could probably run for president with the way everything's been going right now. The picture of not awake every day. no problem. Him, his wife and the Biden's together is where the all time pictures. This one picture of him in a wheelchair is he's not awake in that.

Come on, we got to let Jimmy go. We got to let Jimmy go. This is cruel. Jimmy Carter. Don't wait. Here's an idea, grandson. Don't wake him up. Next time he's not awake for a day. Don't wake him up the next day. Let go. Yeah, don't don't be like hey, hey Papa wake up. No, no Just let him sleep forever That's what it's called Jimmy Carter on the Hap Jimmy Carter was president Yeah, much much much much better person. Yeah outstanding person Sure way better person. I don't know, but just having a report being

like, dude's not awake every day. That's fucking crazy. He's like the guy from Inception. Like when they just go and sleep all day in the little den. Are you thinking of the Matrix? No, I'm thinking Inception. I think he's thinking of the Matrix. The den. Plug him in. Are you thinking of the Matrix. He's an avatar? Are you thinking avatar or the matrix? No, avatar was what they called you in the matrix. Right. So which one are you thinking of? I've never seen the matrix. What?

Yo. I can't judge. I've never, I've. Hank. Everyone has one. I've said this a billion times. I know, I know, I know what happens. Red pill, blue pill. Well, no, I know. I know what happens. Red pill, blue pill. Hey, well now you don't. You don't. I eat the bugs. I have a, I have a general understanding of what happens. We have never seen. I heard a nasty rumor that big cat eats bugs. I will never eat the, I heard there were people saying, there were people saying online that you're calling me bug cat. Yeah. Barstool bug. I'll never eat the bugs. We also forgot to last week. You'd eat the bug. I know I never said I said I drink the bugs in the cicada

Malort shot. That's what they want you to do first step Jake My who's back is retiring on live television because that is what Charles Barkley announced late Friday night There was a lot of speculation about the future of NBA on TNT inside the NBA There was a lot of speculation about the future of NBA on TNT inside the NBA. We have one more year and after that it's over. He is going to be off of television no matter what happens. I don't buy it. I don't buy it. I don't buy it. He's too good. That's just what you say at the end of the year.

He's just doing, he's said a million different things. He's like, well maybe I'll just hire everyone and we'll have a new, we'll bring it over here. Maybe I'll retire. Maybe we'll, have a new we'll bring it over here. Maybe I'll retire maybe He's just I love Charles Barkley. I love love love Charles Barkley. I don't buy it Charles Barkley could talk about anything on TV and I would watch it doesn't matter what it could be He could do a recap show for summer house. I don't buy you could do baseball. It doesn't prep He watches I don't yeah, there's no way he preps right? right no that's I'm saying but that's what makes him so electric Right, but I know but I think he watched he watches and he probably like writes down on a piece of paper like terrible Yeah, he do what he did. Did he do it when he went?

Did he do it when he did the hockey game? No he was on the NBA TV postgame show Yeah, did you guys see the difference between the hockey desk that ESPN has for the hockey desk for the Stanley Cup finals and then the NBA desk. No NBA finals. It's fucking hilarious. They put they ran out of money for the hockey. Hold on. I'm going to. Can you pull it up? Yeah. Let me take a look at this desk. Memes. Look at this. Pete Blackburn pointed it out and it's very funny. I just sent it to you memes. Or Jake, do I need to send it to you? You're not going to be able to Google desk and then find it.

I texted you. Vm it to who? This is good stuff. This is good stuff right now. Cut this is yeah waiting to see a desk We really need someone here to help this out Who am I DMing it to who usually does this who my dear? It's a lot of accesses like oh Max says I didn't butter. Where is Max? Max not here is he's crying because his fillies got fucking dog walk by the Orioles

Bad Max would yeah, yeah, this is really bad for him. Look at this. Look at these two desks. Oh yeah. Well we can't see the front of the desk in the hockey. We just see the top. Oh yeah. That's so good. It's a bad desk. It's so good. The difference is very, very stark. They got the trophy there. Yeah. Shout out Pete Blackford for finding that. Just noticing that. Unbelievable. I mean, I don't even think they brought that desk.

That's just, that's Edmonton desk. Yeah, that was there. That's built into the stadium. Yeah. The boys were whooping it up. Biz manhandled the guy at the game. I don't know if you saw that. I did see that. Yeah. Holy shit. He looked like he was full of energy. Yeah. But yeah, Jake, I don't buy it. I just don't.

All right. We'll see. I mean, I'm not, that's not, I just, I saw it. I would love for it to continue. And I just think Charles is just kind of saying whatever right now. I think that he, in the moment he's like, yeah, I'm rich. I don't want to work my whole life. I'll just be done in a year. And then he'll go off the air for maybe a little bit. And then he'll get offered a giant contract to talk about anything.

And he'll be like, yeah, you know what? It's kind of fun just talking on camera. Also, just play this out for a second, right? NBC got NBA, is that right? I think that's what the rumor is. OK, so TNT no longer, Oh, it means just playing biz, just beating this guy up. That guy's just grabbing. He looks like he looks like Mike McDaniels. Um,

so Charles Barkley, NBC's got NBA Charles Barkley is out of a job. NBA, NBC wants Charles Barkley to do inside the NBA on NBC. Who, who is like Charles Barkley bidding who they bidding against? No one. Well, now they're bidding against Charles Barkley retirement. Yeah, that's, that's it. Charles Barkley can't like if NBC has all the rights to the NBA and that's where the show's going to be. And they'll be like, Hey Charles, we're going to pay you $10 million a year. He can be like, no? They know that he has to either do that or not. Now he's like, oh, I'm going to retire.

Now you have to bid against me just not working anymore. I would love to see them do a little cross-pollination with their football desk and have it be Tony Dungey and Charles Barkley at the same time on a desk. Charles is trying to talk to Tony about big women in San Antonio. Yeah. Is watching Tony Dungey just cry and shame Yeah, that would be good. They'd be a great buddy cop. Yeah Okay, let's get some interviews. We got smiley Kaufman

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There's no safe like Simply Safe. And now here's Smiley Kaufman. OK, we now welcome on a very special guest. He was there at Pinehurst number two for the US Open on the call on the NBC coverage. It is Smiley Kaufman. He also has a podcast. You can go check it out right

now. It's called The Smiley Show for more golf takes. Smiley, first of all, thank you for joining us. You're driving right now from Pinehurst to Charlotte, so we appreciate you joining us. Yes. What's up, boys? Thank you for having me on. That was some epic TV, I must say. It was pretty fun to be a part of something like that. I guess I kind of now know what it feels like to be a Chicago Bears fan. I felt like the double wink out there for Rory. Did it not? It was a tough scene, man. It was just hard to watch. But epic theater for golf, man.

Yes. Are you okay? Were you in the parking lot when Rory peeled out and mowed down several spectators? It looked like it was a violent, gruesome scene there after the, after the term it was over. Yeah. It looked like shooter McGavin leaving after he lost the tour championship to happy Gilmore. Yeah. I mean, it sucks, man. Like the guy was right there. He had won in 10 years at a major. It was just right there for the taking and uh, God, it's just so hard to win majors. But I feel like that was the most agonizing way for him to ever lose one again because he hasn't necessarily been super close besides the St Andrews open championship where he had 18 two-putts in one round. So it's, I just feel Ferrari, but man,

Bryson hit an epic bunker shot on 18. And the guy is just the content king for, if we're being, if we're being, I mean, looking at this guy, he's unbelievable. Yeah, yeah. So, so I know we want to talk about Bryson because he is the winner, but I think most times when you have a collapse like that, the loser gets talked about a good deal because it's a little bit more

interesting in the moment. So Rory is eight under going to the 14th and what happened in the end, missing two putts, four feet in in, how does that happen? I guess is really like, like, how does that happen? And is that one of the most painful? We know some of the most painful major losses, you know, Greg Norman, van de Waal, all those things, but this one feels like it might be up there in the Mount Rushmore of painful chokes just because of where he was four holes earlier and how he had been playing and the in the 10 years that you mentioned and to have it go down like that it is that is an

epic epic like loss for Rory. 100%. I mean the only other one I could think of a recent memory that we still talk about that I actually was a part of was the final round in 2016 at the Masters where Jordan had, you know, he had a four shot lead hit in the back nine and makes it seven at number 12 and, and Danny Willett goes on to win. That one was agonizing to watch. Uh, it was agonizing, I'm sure for, for Jordan and then Rory today. But, uh, dude, I can't think of any other golf event that was that entertaining over the last decade besides maybe the Jordan Masters one.

It was just, and how does it happen? How do you miss those spots? 16 was, I felt like inexcusable. That one to me was an easy to putt. I don't know what happened on the, on his three footer that he missed because he typically doesn't he's really good inside of three feet. He's not somebody I was worried about I was actually walking away and I was like, oh my god, he missed it I just didn't even come into my mind that missing that pot was a possibility and then 18 was a

Actually a really interesting putt on 18 because I got behind and looked at it I saw like inside left, left center. And I'd heard from Max, who you guys obviously have on all the time. He had told JT that he hit that putt in the practice round and said, it's a really weird putt, because if you get it started too far out on the left, the grain keeps it there.

But if you start it inside the hole, it like breaks off the planet. And that's exactly what happened. So it was a, it was a really tough putt that he had, but I mean, after Bryson hit in the bunker, I felt like we were going to, you know, the aggregate scorecard or that scorecard play of aggregate, uh, two hole playoff and Bryson just got up there and just hit an unreal shot. So yeah, yeah.

Yeah. And you said it, I think, on the broadcast, which made it such great theater going down the stretch that it felt like match play because of the way Pinehurst is set up, that Rory was looking back and seeing where Bryson would end up before he would tee off on some holes. How was that all breaking down? I even heard, it might not have been you, but someone said that Rory kind of went fast on one of the greens to putt in so that you get the roar right before

Bryson had to take a difficult shot. Like how was that all set up from your point of view? It started on the ninth hole, exactly what you just said. And Bryson had hit it long left at eight. It was going to have a really difficult up and down. And Rory and Bryson kind of looked at each other. And Bryson, I thought was going to go, but Rory was not about to let Bryson hit a chip shot first. He wanted to make the putt to let him know that he'd just made birdie. And then Bryson hit an incredible chip

and ends up getting up and down. And that's when I was like, oh boy, we're in for some good stuff on the back nine. And then it just seemed like a back and forth of, of roars on the back nine, which I think going into the day we love, we wanted for Bryson and Rory to be in the same group, but it worked out way better this way because each person was waiting on each other. Rory pretty much watched every single shot that Bryson hit on that back nine outside of a couple, because he would look back

and saw exactly what he was doing, and he knew where he stood. And that's, it makes it that much more heart wrenching that he knew what he had to do and just wasn't able to get it done. It also sounds like maybe the wrong strategy too by Rory because it got in his own head. He was feeling all the pressure in the world.

He's missing two of those parts and maybe he should have been paying that close attention to what Bryson was doing, but he's timing out his shots to make sure that he can get the roar before Bryson. I don't know. It seems like it's not a usual strategy to take. So I'm not. It ended up not being that effective. But when it comes to Bryson's strategy,

it seemed like his way of breaking down this golf course was just basically hit the fuck out of the ball and hope that you get a great lie in the native areas. Don't be afraid of the native areas and just hope that you luck out and it doesn't land up in a bush. And it worked out pretty well for him. But do you think do you think he was just kind of taking a reckless strategy towards the whole thing where he was like, I'm just going to hit it long and hope that the lie turns out well

for me. Yeah, no, totally. You're right. I mean, there was definitely a element of luck involved this week in Pioneer Summer 2. The native areas, man, like for the most part all week, guys were able to hit out of it and kind of get it up near the green. I think Bryson only had to pitch out one time that I can remember. So there was a huge element of luck. I think there needs to probably be like have more of that like crazy grass out there because there wasn't maybe enough of a penalty for some of the shots that Bryson was hitting today because Rory drove the absolute crap out of it today and yeah I mean Bryson hits the shit out of it yeah and so does Rory they both

had averaged like 340 yards off the tee which is just insane to think about. But, uh, yeah, I mean, he's, he's epic, man. Like he's, he's fun to watch in person. He's fun to watch on TV and he just wears his emotions on his sleeve. And I don't think we've had a golfer like that, that I can think of in a long time that is just built for TV. He's just box office brides, man. He, you know what he is, and I've seen some people were making this, I'm not taking credit for this, but people were saying that he's the second coming of Phil. Where you, when Phil was at his height, Phil was very, you know, he was emotional. He would, he would wear it on his sleeve. His interviews were interesting. It's like he is like the, the 2024 YouTube

version of Phil Mickelson. Yeah. It's a good point you make. And in some, some ways, yes, they are similar. And I think that Bryson's goofier and Phil, I think is much more of like a no at all, if you will. Yeah. I think it's the best way to kind of describe Phil. But Phil was like expert in mind games and being able to kind of get not only in his own head but in other people's heads and how he kind of worked his way around a golf course and how he treated the media. Bryce it's been interesting man. We need to have like a 30 for 30 on how somebody can leave the PGA tour. And I would say that majority of the people were overpriced. But they enjoyed watching him play golf. But as as like the person and the person to like

actually root for I think he was had more, it was probably closer to 50 50, whether people rooted for him or not. And so it's, it's wild to me now, he goes to the live golf tour, and somehow he's become this unbelievably well liked guy. And 90% of the dudes that have gone to the live golf tour have become not well-liked. So it's just wild how this is totally turned in his direction. I think you've got to point to his content, all the stuff that he's done off the golf course. His social channels are just insane.

He's leaning into his audience. And then the TV, too, he's just fun to watch. I also think it might be one of the cases where he's the one guy where less is more. You don't have to watch him every single week. He becomes a lot more palatable and interesting where it's like it's worked to like overexposure might be a thing for him and he can find his own audience online, which that's you know, people are opting into that. But if he was there on your TV every single Sunday, you'd be like, maybe I don't love this guy. So maybe Liv was the, he's the only one who's kind of one on Liv.

They don't have, they don't have microphones on the course that can pick up you complaining to a rules official about ants being near the wall. Right. Right. They're like getting hit. They don't broadcast that. Getting hit. Remember when he got hit by the, uh. That rope was fucked up. The rope.

And blamed everyone else. That was a very violent rope. Yeah. He blamed his caddy. He stared at the rope. Who the fuck could a very violent role. Yeah. He blamed his like caddy. He stared at the rope and put that rope there. Yeah. So, but I had one question about Bryce in his game today because it was, it looked like it was, he was going to lose it. And it was like, I thought going into today there was with the way the course was playing, if he shoots, you know, even par, he should win. And that's about, I think he shot plus one

today, but what happened with his driver? So his driver caved in in practice and then he had to use another driver. So you obviously, you know, you, you're a professional, you were a professional golfer. You know, all these guys, is it that different when you're like, I need to now use a different driver and how long does it take to get comfortable with it? Cause it clearly he didn't have the same accuracy on his driver today. Yeah, I heard that he said that he can't he couldn't turn over the driver today and then like I think on the front nine he was leaving everything out to the right and then he was over correcting on the back nine. But yeah, it's a big deal not to have

your gamer. You know, he was driving that driver so well and I heard he flat his face, which is most of the time guys crack the face and that's when they change out to new drivers when I hear flat in the face I actually think about his his drivers it's called like bulge and roll and nobody else has whatever the heck that even means it's based it's it's a curvature of the face and it's the best way to explain it is like it's like an autocorrect so if you hit it in the heel it starts further west it's a curvature of the face and it's the best way to explain it is like it's like an autocorrect. So if you hit it in the heel it starts further left, you hit in the toe and starts further right. And I think his flattened to where it was less of a curve and I guess he noticed it on the range

pre-round and changed out his heads and then went out to the course with something that he probably had maybe maybe he had used that head before but most likely not. So it was definitely a probably an uneasy feeling especially with Rory getting off to a good start birdieing one. But it's just you couldn't make up today man like the storylines today from start to finish were just epic. Yeah I feel like the content game helped him out with that too, because he does a lot of wacky shit like that where he's like, I see if I can break par using a set of rented clubs that I just got like five minutes before. And so now, I mean, if we really want to stay woke on it, maybe there were some cameras going behind the scenes and we're going to see like the entire, he's like, Oh no, my driver's broken. Can I win the U S open on day,

U S open on day four with a brand new driver? He's challenged. It's a mr. Beast challenge and it's a driver that he's been practicing with for like six months and he knows inside and out, but he's acting like this is, I'm just very woke on Bryce. And I do, I have kind of like, I'm happy for Bryson's fans today for for the people like Die Hard Bryson content guys. Good for them. He's creative, he does some fun stuff, and he is more likable.

I do think Big Cat's right, actually. I was thinking that earlier, that you don't get to see Bryson all the time, so you don't get inundated with all the real corny stuff that he does. But you do get to see him, and he looks like he's happy, and it's easy to root for a guy who's genuinely happy. I'm mad at Rory, though.

I'm pissed off. I think that all amateur golfers, all people that golf for fun should be really angry with Rory today because he just made the length of a gimme putt so much longer because now if it's inside Rory range you're gonna have to putt that out. I've never missed a putt inside four feet before because they say just pick it up and I'm like yes I will pick that up. Now you don't get those gimmies pick it up. And I'm like, yes, I will pick that up. Now you don't get those gimmies anymore. So that's a, I'm, I'm upset with Rory.

I think we all have a right to be upset with him after his performance today. Well said, well said. You know, what's kind of crazy about Rory today too, is, is we're going to remember the miss pots at 16. We're going to remember the miss putt at 18. But what we're going to forget is how well he putted today. He made everything today. He made every important putt he had to make all the way up until the 16th hole. But history doesn't, uh, unfortunately isn't going to be kind to him on that. And it's, it's gotta be just such a tough, tough feeling

driving away from the golf course. Apparently peeling out. I haven't seen that video yet. Speeding away. Yeah, it was Mad Max. Through his clubs. So, all right, so talking about the putting, you're there. Can you explain to us in layman's terms, you know, our listeners who've never played Pine

Earth's US Open course, obviously neither have we. No, we pretty much did. We pretty much did. We played mid-pines once. But the greens, putting, also I loved the fact that if you hit it in the wrong spot, the ball just rolls forever. What does that look like when you're standing there? And just how difficult is it for the guys who are the best

in the world at golf? You know, it's just scary. It's just, you know, it's an upside down salad bowl. It's basically what most of the greens look like. And when you get the firmness and the speed in which these greens played like this week, they're just daunting. Even standing from the fairway looking at the green,

it looks like you have nowhere to hit it. And I think you saw some of the best iron players in the world make shaky swings because they literally have a hula hoop that they're trying to land the golf ball in to keep it, to get it close to the hole. Most of the time we saw guys bail out to the place to where you could maybe get it up and down.

But when you get on the greens, you can make some putts if you got below the hole. The problem is when they stick to the flag sticks on the corners of the green, you can't get below the hole. So you have all these, you know, big breaking pots, lag pots that are really difficult. And some of the ones coming down the stretch, it looks like when you get that back hole locations on some of these greens,

it looks like you're about to put it over a cliff. And so most of the time, you end up coming up short on most of your big wag putts from about 40 feet, because you know, if you hammer it, you're gonna have to go hit a 40 yard wedge shot on some of them. So rightfully, some of these guys are leaving, these putts four or five feet short

and giving themselves, putts they have to make for par in which I thought today a lot of the guys really handled those tricky whack putts really well. Even the one on 16, it was a good putt that already hit the first one and just had a brain lapse on the second one. I can't explain what happened. What's the shortest putt you've ever missed? I missed a putt from probably six inches away and I'll tell you what happened. You know, if you're ever playing in the morning when it's dewy and the golf ball collects kind

of some sand or collects a little bit of dew on it. And a lot of times players will mark clean the golf ball and tap in when you know, there's some moisture sand on the ball. And so I go to tap it in, not realizing that it was on it. And I hit it maybe an inch in front of me. It, it, it did even set. It didn't even feel like I made impact. That's how much modern sand was on the golf ball. So for me, uh, something around the six inches range.

Damn. Yeah. It's very funny that you bring up the stat about Rory's putting actually being very good today. Anybody will ever remember that. That's a big, in real life, besides that, how was the play, Miss Lincoln? Like, he had a great day by all objective measures.

But then the only thing people remembers is those two putts Do you think is it? Go ahead. It's like I've got to cut you off. I'm just thinking about like Russell Wilson the Interception he threw on the two-yard line Like all we remember is that we don't remember hardly the the amazing pass down the sideline To get them into that position to where they had a chance to go and win the game.

Like that to me is like a pretty similar scenario where then it's like, all right, Russell gets it down to the two. They don't hand it off. That's all we ever remember and talk about. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good comparison. Do you think that there's any chance that Rory can look back on this? I don't know maybe a month two months from now and think like

Maybe maybe it was a good thing. Maybe it showed me that I can compete like does he get any confidence back whatsoever? By being that close to winning another major. Oh Man, that's a that's a good question What it's been ten years? Since you've won a major and you let one slip away like this happened today because it did slip away. It, you know, I think yes,

he'll remain confident in his game. I think this one's gonna sting for a really long time. And it won't surprise me to see him pull out of the the travelers this next week. I doubt we'll see him there I'd be shocked if we see him there and Yeah, fifth major. There you go. The Keegan Bradley imitational and Man, I think we won't see him until maybe the Irish open or the Scottish open Three or so weeks from now. He skipped out on media. So next time we'll really get to ask if the question is three weeks from now and we'll see.

But the Open Championship is his last shot this year, but the US Open, that's six straight top tens that he's had at the US Open. And it's just, we keep saying it's a matter of time, but you need some luck to win a major championships. You have to have the opportunities and he just didn't take advantage of his opportunities. It was his time to win today and he just didn't get it done. Yeah, yeah.

So last question about Bryson, that shot he made out of the bunker in 18. Can you tell us, can you explain to us how difficult that shot was? Because that was, as much as it was Rory choking, Bryson felt like, you know, his tee shot on 18 was bad. He's in this really tough spot. Then he goes to the bunker and then he makes an incredible, incredible shot to save par on 18 and win it outright. What did that shot look like from where you were standing and how difficult that was? I was probably 15 yards away from him, so I had the best view in the house. As soon as he hit into that greenside bunker, I said to my yardage guy, I was like, hey, let's

get ready for a playoff. With no chance he's getting this up and down and as soon as he walked into the bunker there was a I could tell that there was a lot more sand than then maybe some of the other bunkers on the course which I thought made the shot even more difficult because more sand it's harder to you know because that's how much closer you got to hit it to the golf ball. Cause the further back you take it, the shorter it's going to go.

And I actually tweeted out, I said, if it was me hitting in there in that moment, I would have sent it over to clubhouse. I mean, a 55 yard bunker shot is one of the more difficult shots in the game. And, and Bryson probably hit a, I'd say a gap wedge is probably what he used which is you know somewhere around that 50 to 52 degrees and full swing you know probably that club entered maybe an inch behind the golf

ball and it's a full swing so the fact that he went in there full swing and bringing in literally watching it over the clubhouse and having the nerve to pull the shot off and get it inside at five feet was unbelievable. It really was an unbelievable shot. Yeah. Yeah, I'm watching it again. It was crazy.

The shot that he hit, I forget which par three it was. He hit an eight iron, like 215 yards. That was insane. Just screaming at the ball in the air. That was one of the most impressive golf shots I've ever seen in my life. It's, you know, his iron game is weird because his lofts are similar.

It's like if his eight iron is like a normal six iron, but it's really fun to say when he has 215 yards and he hits an eight iron. It's epic like to say that out loud that somebody's hitting an 8 iron from that far away. So all week I would get the sign of you know because we get the uh the flash of you know if it's a 9 iron they flash me a 4 it's an 8 iron they flash me a 3 and some of the times I'd be like, are you serious? Like, is that right? And just epic. Yeah. I mean, who doesn't like seeing that on TV?

I don't know. It's, the guy's unbelievable. Yeah. So wait, what's the deal with his irons? He's got different lofts. So like his eight iron is actually a six iron? Yeah. It's all because of how hard he hits it and his, all the

shit he does is really weird. So it's like seven iron link shafts. He's got these jumbo grips. Uh, the, the lie angle is really weird and the, what he's trying to do is to get the correct apex height. And when he explains that you kind of understand what he's talking about. So like, I'm going to give you what I know about it Which is he's just trying to match the flight in which the window that he typically wants a nine and eight aren't to fly

And once he gets that loft correctly because he hits so much I guess up on the golf ball That's how they settle in on what their nine iron or eight iron loft actually is Yeah, it's it's really odd because most guys are, you know, a typical set as, you know, 42 degrees is like a nine iron, I think. And I think his is, you know, closer to shit. My math, my brain is fried right now, so I don't even want to try to figure out what his loss are but just know that there are two irons off of what? Anybody else's yeah, he's like the the Terrence Howard of golf. It sounds like he just reinvented math. Yeah What it's it's something that you all should consider though

Like, you know, you should probably do it too because like when you get to a tee box, you can just be like a what are you hitting? Yeah, they'll say I'm hitting seven iron. And then you'd be like, oh, well, I'm hitting nine iron. But you're really hitting a seven iron. So it's kind of a flex. In their head. So what I'll do is I'll take my six iron, and I'll just write one little curve on it.

So that's an eight now. That's my eight iron. That's perfect. Smiley, this has been awesome. I had a couple last questions. The first was, this course, this was such a fun weekend of golf. And the US Open is usually this way because it's such a great test. And they make it so difficult. And it's,

you know, if you look at the leaderboard, there was what? There was like seven guys under par. And like, it's just fun golf to see that test. Do you think that they should do that more often with some of these tournaments? Because I birdies are fun. Eagles are fun. But I think this type of golf is just so much more like exciting. Watching guys have to struggle and knowing like, Hey, here's the deal. You have to hit the perfect shot to get a birdie. And if you make a little mistake, you're getting a bogey and that's how it should work

Yeah, I know the u.s. Open I think is the one week of the year that fans get to root for the golf course Yeah, we root for struggle and it's totally opposite than what we saw the PGA Championship at Valhalla, which was By the numbers the easiest golf course ever on a major championship with Xander winning, I believe at 21 under par, I think was the final. So it's just total opposite where the PGA championship was all about how well could you execute? Could you be able to just hit the shot

that that's called in front of you, which is not a whole lot of thinking involved versus US Open, where there's a whole lot of thinking involved in, and there's so much to take in, and there's all luck involved, involved with Pinehurst number two. And yeah, I think there's a time and place for it. Like last week at the Memorial,

like was a US Open type of setup. And I think a guy like Scottie Shepard, why he didn't have a good week this week was I think he was worn out for playing back to back US Open type of setups. So there's times and places for it, but guys don't like playing US Open style setups every week. And I think the fans like watching putts going for

birdie for the most part on most weeks. But the US Open's different, man. Like as long as the golf course, you know, doesn't get out of hand, I think, and it didn't this week, it made for some incredible theater, and you really could tell that the guys on top of the leaderboard were the guys executing at the highest level.

What is out of hand? We were having this debate on Thursday. What actually, we know borderline, but what is over the line? Because it's such a funny concept to me, being like, no, this know borderline, but what is over the line? Because it's such a funny concept to me being like, no, this golf course is too mean. Well, it starts with weather. You got to start with weather. If it's blowing, if it was blowing 20 miles an hour a day, it would have been out of hand. It would have been ridiculous because it was only a five to seven mile an hour breeze. Totally fine.

A lot of times whole locations too. You know, there's just certain things with core setup that can be just dumb to players where they just get annoyed with like what what is What is the usga trying to get out of this? Uh where I feel like today was a perfect setup I thought it could have been a little bit harder to like I think they could have maybe made it a little bit trickier than they did But I don't know it I

Think it uh ended up working out. Okay. I mean it was uh I'm still just in all what I witnessed same name. mean, it was, I'm still just in awe of what I witnessed. Same. Same. Yeah, it was shocking. It was also just when the back nine started, you knew that something special was going to happen. Did you get that feeling? Like, do you know that in the moment that this is going to be an iconic finish of a US Open? Yep. I think it all started on nine great. And then 10 with Rory making a plot in the Patrick making you right after and and then Bryson burning 10 but really 13 is where I was like

this is gonna be so sick down the stretch because Rory gets up and down from behind the green makes birdie gets the eight under and Bryson just makes bogey at 12 and And Bryson just makes bogey at 12. And Rory's over his tee shot at 14 about to hit. And I had known that Bryson's three wood was already in the air and it was on a good line. I was like, oh boy, there's about to be a roar. And of course it lands short of the green, bounces up, goes 25 feet.

And now Rory has to step off the ball. And I'm like, we're about to have this epic back and forth where they're gonna have to wait on each other to hit because one doesn't want to be hitting while the other hits an epic shot. And then in their downswing has a roar that screws them up. So you knew there was gonna be this waiting and it turned out to be a chess game down the stretch

and it just was epic, absolutely epic. It was, it was so awesome. And that shot, yeah, that was when it really did feel like it started when he drove the green on the par four. All right, so I have one last question for you, Smiley. And thank you so much, by the way. This has been awesome. Really cool to talk to someone who was right there. Of course. Anytime. Yeah, we're definitely going to have you back on. Because I think you guys have the open, right, as well? Yeah. Okay. We got the open championship.

Great. So, you'll be back on for that. So, the last question, rowback question, r-h-o-b-a-c-k.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase, Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, great, great polos if you're a golfer and you're listening to this right now, rowack.com promo code TAKE. Now, you made the Bears comment at the beginning, and I didn't want to do this, but I'm going to have to do this. Did you see Alabama's new golf facility? Because there is no one who's ever going to go golfing at LSU ever again. It's the craziest, coolest golf facility that they made for their team. I think JT had built the course and it is incredible. So that sucks for you and your LSU Tigers, who I do like, but that sucks for you. Did you see it?

No, yeah. I live in Birmingham, so I've been up to date on everything they're doing in Alabama. JT's kept me in the loop as well. It's sick, yeah, I mean, they really didn't need a facility there because the golf courses there, you know, in Tuscaloosa, I wouldn't call, you know, first class as far as any of the other courses compare. The LSU's coming out of here, it's bad. Okay, no, that's good, that's good. of the other forces compared. The LSU is coming out of here. They really did need to get a golf course in which they can kind of go and practice and hit all different kinds of shots and it looks sweet. I'm very jealous and I'll probably end up going there a time or two hopefully maybe with JT or Trey Malinacs or some of those boys. But yeah, it's sick. And heck,

I mean, when you come down to Baton Rouge, like you do once or twice a year for a football game, we'll have to head out there and I got to fix your posture, man. Your golf swing posture is something I've never seen before. Did you, wait, Smiley, did you not see the 28 I shot at shark tooth in the front nine on uh, oh Got a panel city. Yeah, I was I shot a 28 on the front nine Yeah, did I did I see that you birdied 17 to like kind of finish with like a 54 on the back or something? Yeah, I ended with an 83 so it kind of got away from me, but it's 28 on the front nine It's pretty insane. I was eight under going to the going to the hot dogs

Yeah, I mean, that's not bad. It's pretty good out there Seven holes it was so hot. It was so goddamn hot. I played like seven holes and quit What was poor noise like breaking? Did he like break par? Is that what it was? He shot, yeah, he shot 400 chinacock, but he had unlimited mulligans. So he just sat there and they just fed him balls over and over. He shot like a thousand shots. He won the U S open. He won the U S. Yeah. Yeah. That was his goal is to try to beat the winning score just by taking as many shots because they thought that he would just run out of time. Yeah. There, there aren't't enough Mulligans in the day for him to complete it But he brought like five guys out there that were feeding a balls shagging all the

See how he dominated that course My next question is is how many golf balls it would take for for in order to get up and down from where Bryson was The bunker at 18. Oh, I don't know. Well, he's got a bad shoulder. He's got a bad. You can't do that He doesn't have a bad. It probably just like he doesn't have a bad swing. He just has a bad shoulder. So, but yeah, we, we got it. We got to play and I would love for some tips and you can fix my swing. I have your number now. Maybe I'll FaceTime you while I'm on the simulator and you can, you can give me some tips. Hell yeah. Hell yeah, man. This has been great. And anytime you want to have me on love to

do it. Uh, but yeah, I definitely look forward to potentially seeing it out at Baton Rouge. Like we bump into each other every year with the canes and uh, walk on folks over there at LSU. It's a good time. They're the best. You guys also dodged a bullet. I guess not you guys, but the USGA did because there were some people that were very much looking forward to Monday golf. And then, you know, people started to correct them and say like, Hey, actually, it's just a two hole playoff now.

But if it had gone to a playoff, people would have been really pissed off that we didn't have a full Monday of golf. Why did they change that rule? Can we bring that back? I love the I love the extra day of golf. I am so pumped. That's not a thing. What am I? One of my biggest things now that I'm not playing

and I'm just in media I don't for the most part. I don't really care who wins I just care that they finish on time that there's no playoff. Yeah, so that I get to go home So sorry for being selfish on that But I'll a playoff would have been super epic and I would have just ended up flying home tomorrow But yeah, I don't know I it would have been fun to have a playoff, especially with Bryson and Rory or like, you know, live versus PGA Tour battle, like now they're

looking each other in the eye for, I don't even know what holes they would have been. I should know the answer to this because I was actually kind of freaking out, figure out what hole I would need to report to because I was like on one but I was like maybe at 17. So I was like kind of walking around in circles like a dog trying to figure out where I was going and then Bryson of course makes the putt. So I was like all right I'm going home. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I understand from your point of view you want to get home but that one that year that we got it with Tiger and Rocco I would put that day up there with any NCAA tournament any day after the Super Bowl for like the least productive day of work across America. Like nobody did anything. We were just all watching golf and it was awesome. Yeah, that's a great point. I Monday morning meeting. So there

have been a lot of cancellations. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, smiley safe flight. Thanks again for doing this. This was awesome, man. And we'll talk to you before the open. Yeah. Let's go. Joel would say go Tigers. Go Tigers. All right. Thanks, Smiley. Smiley Kaufman was brought to you by Chevy. As everyone knows, this is a Chevy truck podcast. The greatest trucks ever built and our good friends at Chevrolet have been a big part of the part of my take story from the Silverado helping us dig the biggest hole ever dug in Ohio during grit week to Silverado partnering with us to give college fullbacks all the rightful recognition that they deserve with a low man award, to our non-stop

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be with you. Great to be seen. I'm just checking out all your different Sponsorships you guys have hoarded yourself out to oh, yeah, we're Wayne's world. Would you like to sponsor? Your eyes Hank fuck you Hank I saw you rolling your eyes. All right, let's do it. All right, here we go. Leave that in three, three, two, one. All right. We welcome on our good, good friend. It is Mike Floreo off to a combative start off to a combative start. We'll, we'll leave in right when, when he told Hank, don't roll your fucking eyes. Uh, Mike Florio from pro football talk. Also, I'm going to say this right now to our AWLs, uh, a WL the take ease are coming up. So I know you know this, Mike, but every year we give away take ease and award winning listeners are up for, uh, the listeners of this show.

They've won it seven years in a row. They're going for an eight Pete. Here's how they could maybe get a little bit closer to getting their eighth AWL status. Mike has a book called father of mine. It's on Amazon. It's a mob novel. Everyone loves reading about the mob. There's a sequel coming out in September. Let's boost those book sales. Go buy it right now on Amazon. Mike Mike has always been to be sent home and his eyes again. Cut the hang to go. I'm ready. I'm ready front to back back to run your eyes to be sentimental for a second. Mike Mike has done a lot for PFT and I in our careers and me and Hank. And so without Mike Floreo in our lives we probably wouldn't be all the way sitting

here. We'd probably still, you wouldn't be, you would be, we're pretty incredible. You would have cease and desist. If you had cease and desist in me in like year one, I don't know that it ever gets here. So Domino effect. Yeah. You, you kind of created part of my take. Yeah. So yeah, you, you are a big part of our lives, but we wanted Mike on because we are at the point of the calendar where teams are about to go on break until training camp. And we have been talking about basketball and baseball and hockey and golf. And we just want to talk some ball. We want to talk about football, the sport we love, because we know there's not going to be any football news for the

next month or so until training camps open. So we wanted Mike on to talk a little ball and Mike, I want to start with probably your favorite topic and we'll have memes make sure that his mic is on for this. Is there a problem in New York with Aaron Rodgers and the Jets? I don't think there's a problem. And I know that memes had some issue with something that I said last week because I saw the tweet, and I had to send it to you, Big Cat, to get an interpretation, like most people of my generation do. Hey son, what is this all about? I didn't get it. Here's the issue with Aaron Rodgers, and I think this is more about the Jets than Aaron Rodgers.

They fucked this up so bad last week. All they had to do was excuse his absence. That's all they had to do. And I think what happened was some lawyer on the payroll for the Jets said, well, if we don't find him, then that will become a precedent that gets used against us if other players mismanagatory minicamp, and we won't be able to enforce the fines against them. There's a point we have to tell the lawyers, shit down and and shut up or sit down and shut up as the case may be because they just should have excused it. And I think the Jets would say it still would have been a big story. Think about the difference between the story.

If Robert Sala says last Tuesday, Aaron Rodgers isn't here and it's an unexcused absence versus Aaron Rodgers isn't here and it's excused and we've known about it and it's no big deal. I think that it's 10% of the story that it was last week at most if they just would have excused the absence. So I put this on them. They've known now, look, he's known for 20 years when mandatory minicamp typically is, middle of June.

So whatever ayahuasca retreat he's on, he should have tried to schedule it around this. But once they knew that he wasn't going to be there, they needed to handle it differently and they made it into a bigger thing than it needed to be. That's my take on it. Okay, so no problem. So there's not a problem. It sounds like Sala, according to your theory, they knew this was going to happen and then

Sala was like, we have to say it's unexcused and the fine is like minimal what is it like a couple grand or something like that? 50 grand total 50 grand total for the two days he missed. 50 grand I guess that's a little bit more than I thought that it was but they could have just. He's making 35 million a year. 50 grand is nothing. But I saw your report that now the Jets are entering phase me in their offseason there's phase one phase two phase three and then there's phase me. Ooh. So what is phase me? And does Aaron Rodgers' missing mandatory minicamp delay his start of phase me?

Well, and that's what was funny about the press conferences last week, both of them with Sala. Because we've been led to believe the New York media is this rough and tumble bunch that asks a series of tough questions and takes no prisoners. rough and tumble bunch that asks a series of tough questions and takes no prisoners and tipped on eggshells around Aaron Rodgers. And when Sala was questioned twice

last week, number one, they never asked him, where is Aaron if he's not here? Where is he? Just where is he? Two press conferences back to back days, he was never asked that question. And on Wednesday, he went from

explaining his view on this period of time from the end of the offseason program to the start of training camp. And on Wednesday, he went from explaining his view on this period of time from the end of the offseason program to the start of training camp, and he calls it Phase Me. What do you do when you're left to your own devices? What do you do when you could either be going to the beach and drinking all day or going to the gym and properly hydrating and being ready to go when training camp starts? And when you think about, and this is the issue that I have with Aaron Rodgers, when he made that speech in January about what this season needs to be about, it needs to be about winning. Not some of the time, not most of the time, all of the time. And any bullshit unrelated to winning needs to be out of the building. He hasn't lived that.

And I know he'll make whatever excuse he needs to make, but dude, beyond missing the two days of mandatory mini camp, which are the 2 days of mandatory many camp which of the centerpiece the offseason program it would be helpful if the guy who's the leader of the team is there as they're being sent off for 40 days of we hope you don't fuck everything up by getting out of shape getting arrested having this happen having we want to be focused on football and ready to go when we come back it's one thing to have the coach say it's

nothing to have Aaron Rodgers say it and that was the missed opportunity more than anything else last week that he wasn't there to send that message to his teammates and they'll never be a bright line whatever they do this should never be a bright line back to that. But still having him there the way he's tried to take over that team and the way that they worship him, what a message if he stands up in the last meeting and says, guys, this is about winning and the next 40 days lays the foundation for everything we're going to do the rest of the year. Let's do it right.

Let's think about each other. Let's not think about ourselves. And for him to not even be there, good luck getting that message across to 90 Guys. Okay. I mean, I like that answer. Memes, do you feel okay with that answer? That Aaron Rodgers is selfish, phase me started a little early for him, and there's a problem in New York.

Do you feel okay with this, Memes? I felt okay with everything up until Aaron Rodgers needed to do a raw raw speech to get 90 guys going. Okay, okay. But imagine the power of that speech though, memes. Yeah, that would have been incredible. Yeah, no, they're adult professional athletes. They're fine.

Okay, so memes, last part of this questioning, is Florio still the number one Florio? Because you had it, last week your rankings were the top three Florios in media right now are Mike Florio number one Matt Miller number two Diana Racini number three. Does Florio keep his crown. I think Diana moved up. Oh wow. Diana's the number one. What'd she do. She was doing about and Rogers a lot last week. OK. Mike how do you feel about that no longer being the number one Florio? I'll work extra hard.

I'll spend all of Phase Me devoted to reclaiming my crown by the time training camp starts. I love the idea of Phase Me. Any time Hank takes a vacation, he's just going to rebrand it. I'm on Phase Me right now. I'm working on that. Yeah, so it's been kind of a weird story. You mentioned, maybe you haven't thought about this angle of it though. Aaron said he

wants all the bullshit out of the building. Aaron Rogers isn't in the building right now. Maybe he's living his message. Well, and that is quintessential Aaron Rogers. It's the kind of word games he played when he said, yeah, I've been immunized back in 2021, not to go down that rabbit hole. But he said, and when he was pressed about it back in the OTAs, when he was available to the media, they said, how does this mesh with your message from January? And he said, we're not in the building yet, we're not in the season yet, which is very hypocritical, which tells me he's absolutely ready to enter politics I think it's inevitable that he's going to get the politics and he's already perfected the art of saying one thing and doing the exact opposite and not

even flinching because he did that whole rant about no bullshit in the building and now he's already able to do whatever he wants to do and act like it doesn't apply to him and I think that's the biggest problem I have with it because he wagged a finger at all of his teammates. And what's it been with him this off season? Memes. It's been one fucking distraction after another. He's going to run for VP. And this is the story that I think the New York media whiffed on. This guy was thinking about putting on the jets, ghosting the jets and running for Vice President of the United States,

he was considering that. That's what the implication would have been. He would have said, see you later, have fun with Tyrod Taylor or Zach Wilson if they hadn't traded him. I'm out. He at least considered that. And I think it just makes it harder to stomach what he said back in January, the way he's conducted himself the last four months.

This is why Mike is the best, because memes just put Diana Racini at number one, Florio. I'm already working on that. Mike, he literally just got right back to work. I think you're number one, Dan. I don't really like how you talk about Aaron Rodgers. I'm a converted Aaron Rodgers fan now that he's out of my life and I'm rooting for him to have nothing but happiness with the Jets and memes. All right, so topic two I had. someone in this room was at Tom Brady's

retirement. It was an incredible night as he reported. But what's it like right now in New England with the way that Robert Kraft has contorted himself? No. How do you say it? Comported? Comported himself in the last year or so with how he dealt with Belichick the documentary what what's what's going on in New England Mike Winnhorst mean that documentary was strange especially because if you watch those episodes at the very end the message that came up on the screen and I can't remember it exactly but it was craft fingerprints all over this thing yeah and they had an explanation for it. And that's our story.

And we're sticking to it. It was just kind of a strange thing. But the overwhelming sense was this documentary on Apple TV Plus was just a way to set the record straight or spin the narrative a different way. And Chris Sims made a great point last week when we were talking about first one. Brady. Okay, You said that not me. I love Chris. I do like a lot of great. I like Chris as well. I'm giving him his point was yeah,

because Brady got up and said about Belichick, it wasn't me. It wasn't you. It was us. Well, okay, fine. If you're going to do this whole shebang for Brady, when does Belichick get his? They need to do the exact same thing for him. If it's equal, if Tom's right, they need to do the exact same thing for Belichick at some point that they did for Brady. Okay. Hank, you feel okay about that? I agree with that. Yeah. Bring Bill back.

Wow. Build him a statue. Mark this down. Time stamp. All right, we're good. All right. You have any beef with Florio right now? No, we're in the beef I had no beef with for okay. I love Mike. I have well last time it was a little dicey It was the whole fanfiction thing Well, yeah, but that's yes really love to stir shit. Well, I just make sure the air is cleared Here's a softball question for you, Mike.

Why was Malcolm Butler benched during the Super Bowl? Hell, I don't know. I mean, I really don't know, but it sounds like as it was said during the Apple TV Plus documentary, it was something personal unrelated to football. I remember sitting in the press box and we had all the PFT writers in a row and Michael David Smith said why is Malcolm Butler not in the game? I'll never forget that it was so freaking weird And when you consider that it was a shootout at some point you just say go You can't do any worse than the guys we have out there

Yeah Go get out on the field and try to try to at least stop them once so we can outscore them. The whole thing was weird and who knows if we'll ever get the truth. Maybe Belichick, he's writing a book, although I don't think it's a book about his time in New England. I think it's just like a football book, but maybe at some point Belichick will tell everybody what he was thinking when he did that. So there's something else that you're working on and you tweeted out, you alleged, you kind

of danced around a little bit But I'd like you to expand on it If you could your tweet was there's a small army of reporters who cover the NFL on a constant basis Meanwhile hardly anyone is paying attention to a lawsuit against the NFL that could cost the league billions and Revolutionize the way games are made available to fans. What does that mean? And are you threatening to take football off TV? No, no, I mean I'm trying look hey available to fans. What does that mean? And are you threatening to take football off TV? No, I mean, I'm trying to look, hey, I'm one of the only ones that is out there looking for any bits and pieces I can get about this massive Sunday ticket trial from a case that was filed nine years ago. The judge originally threw the case out. They appealed it. The case got reinstated.

It's been hanging around and hanging around, and it finally started trial on June the case out. They appealed it. The case got reinstated. It's been hanging around and hanging around and it finally started trial on June the 5th. And I'm trying to shine the light on what this could be. And I'm trying to get people to at least be somewhat optimistic that at the end of the day, Sunday ticket could be a lot cheaper than it's been. And, you know, from the moment I first became aware of Sunday ticket I thought there was something weird about this why can't we just buy the teams we want you're in Pittsburgh and you're a Bears fan you just want the Bears games why don't I have to spend $400 or whatever the price is any given year to buy the whole fucking package why can't I just get the games I want why can't I just get the weekends I want if I'm a Bears just get the weekends I want? If I'm a Bears fan in Pittsburgh

and the Bears are on Monday Night Football, I don't need that weekend, I don't want that weekend. There's no flexibility. And it's always felt weird to me. And the NFL has always just kind of pressed forward and made as much money as they could from it. But this case is about what the NFL allegedly has done to protect the deals with CBS and Fox.

And without getting too deep into the weeds, it's as simple as this. They required, allegedly, but I think the evidence has proved this, they've required DirecTV to charge a certain price so people don't get it and they just watch whatever CBS or Fox has to offer. So if you drop it, and ESPN, according to evidence that was introduced last week, wanted to charge $70 for the whole season and give you a team by team option. Apple TV Plus, I saw this reporting back when they were negotiating the current deal with YouTube.

Apple TV Plus just wanted to include it in whatever it costs now per month to have Apple TV Plus, like $6.99 a month or whatever. They just wanted to give it to you as part of the base package. So the NFL allegedly, but the evidence is proving this out, wanted to keep it at a certain number. They call it a premium product because they want to protect and preserve the CBS and Fox relationship so they can get a shitload of money from CBS and Fox and a shitload of money from whoever has Sunday ticket.

And they've done it for 30 years. And the chickens have come home to roost and this all might blow up in their faces and they're looking at supposedly $7 billion in damages for what we all paid and it's a nationwide class action. It's what we all paid versus what we all should have been paying all along at least during whatever window this covers and it's 10, 11, 12 years. And under the antitrust laws, $7 billion gets tripled. So worst case scenario for the NFL is $21 billion. And, and as a practical matter, they're going to have to revolutionize the way

they make the games available. So if you want to watch the commanders in Chicago, you can do it one week at a time, you can do it one team at a time. You don't have to buy the whole damn thing. So this is good for fans. And I'm sure the NFL is pissed that I've been covering it the way I have course But this is something fans should be happy about because if the NFL loses and I've said this We should be rooting for the NFL to lose this

Because it will make it easier for all the fans to have cheaper choices and broader Selections to watch out-of-market games on Sunday. I like that and if they lose if that's made 21 billion dollars Is there a chance maybe we get a second Super Bowl Hi, I don't rock No, I don't I don't think it's gonna be 21 billion. That's just the absolute worst-case scenario But keep this in mind They will appeal it and they will appeal it and they will take it all the way to the US Supreme Court And I don't want it to get into the political realm here, but the way the court is currently constituted

They'd probably be confident at the end of the day they'll win. Wow. So they'll just bide their time and play it out. And it may take five, six, seven more years, but I think they're confident if it eventually gets to the Supreme Court, they'll win. Roger Goodell flies Clarence Thomas out to Canton, Ohio, puts him in the Hall of Fame. Yeah. Yeah.

I like this. Yeah. This could be good. It could be good for sports. Or instead of second Superbowl, they could do Richard Mendenhall's idea and they could do the race bowl and have that played before the Superbowl. I think that would be very interesting. All I know is Samuel Alito is going to be flying an NFL flag upside down. I like that. Okay. Next question. Trevor Lawrence just signed a massive new deal, which, okay, I, you know, I think he was injured last year. I think he's a good quarterback.

It makes sense. You have to do it if you're the Jaguars. But like all of these new deals for quarterbacks, the question just immediately becomes who's next and what's the price? And I would assume Dak is on that list. Brock Purdy might be on that list. Tuah? Tuah?

So, Caleb Williams, I'm ready to give him his long-term deal right now. So what, who is next, and what are the prices gonna look like? You mentioned Purdy, and one of the things I hope doesn't happen this year, when we're watching 49ers games, I hope there aren't these graphics that are playing up the idea that Purdy is the cheapest starting quarterback in the NFL, because the 49ers can't do anything about it. By rule, if you're drafted, undrafted, it's two years. If you're drafted, it's three years. You've got to wait three years before you're even eligible to have a second

contract. So that applies to Caleb Williams, applies to Brock Purdy. And that's the time that we've said in the past with other guys, the Texans now with CJ Stroud, you've got two more years before he's even eligible for another contract. Spend on Stephon Diggs, Daniel Hunter and Joe Mixon because you can't pay the guy who's the most important player on your team for two more seasons. So Purdy gets set aside in a different category and he's got to wait at least a year and then we'll see what the 49ers do next year. Dak, I think, goes into a different category as well.

I wrote this yesterday. DAC's leverage doesn't come from whatever the market is. DAC's leverage comes from his contract and the cap number this year of $55.4 million and the cap charge next year of $54.5 million if he leaves. They need to redo his deal and engineer these cap charges, or they're looking at 110 million over the next two years that's going to be in Dak Prescott's name, because most of these contracts, they give you a lot of money early and they kick the can down the road, and at some point, you've got to deal with a giant freaking cap charge.

And that's where the cowboys are, and that's where Dak's leverage is, because he he can just sit back and say like one of my old time favorite movies, Goodfellas, oh you had a fire, fuck you pay me. Oh business is bad, fuck you pay me. He can just sit back and say, fuck you pay me. And that's where his leverage comes from and the Cowboys know it and it's keeping them from getting CD lamp sign and it's getting, it's keeping them from even thinking about Michael Parsons. They're in a mess and it's all because of Dak's contract. It's all because they waited too long to do his contract.

After he was eligible, after his third year, they made him play under his fourth year of his rookie deal. They franchise tagged him a year and then they finally realized we got a problem here. And now they've got an even bigger problem. So he's separate as well. The deeper question that you're raised though, as it relates to Trevor Lawrence, I said this about him and I said this about Jared Goff and I've said this about others in the past. Who are these teams bidding against when they make these gigantic market level offers? Who else is going to take this guy away from you and pay that much money? And maybe that would happen. Maybe, maybe if the Lions had said lines and said hey Jared we're going to let you

become a free agent and you can see what else is out there or not out there. You know Trevor stiffen had 2 years left, but that's the real thing with to it and the Dolphins because I think to wants to get something that starts with a 5 not a 4 and I don't think the Dolphins want to pay something that starts with 5 and you have to wonder, will they just say, Tua, go ahead. Because ask yourself that question. If Tua is available to anyone who wants him, what are they going to pay him? What's he going to get on the open market? And I feel like one of these days, one of these teams is going to draw that

line in the sand. The Vikings kind of did it with Kirk Cousins. They dared him to go get better than whatever they were willing to pay and he did. And I can see the Dolphins doing that with Tua unless Tua comes down from wanting to be in this upper echelon of NFL quarterbacks. I had one other question about the contracts. Is Patrick Mahomes' contract going to, like all of a sudden the best contract that's ever been signed for a team? Oh, absolutely. 12 years. And what they did last year, what they did last year when Joe Burrow got his contract, they moved some of the money around.

So the cash flow for two or three years from a Holmes would be just a little better than Burrows. And they're going to have to do that again. They're going to have to do it again. And when you sign a 12 year contract, you're you're hoping that the team will do that as needed. They could fold their arms and say, too bad, you're under contract. The guy that I think should be making an issue

here, and I mentioned this to Brandon Bean, and the scouting combine, and I think he wasn't happy that I mentioned it. Josh Allen is getting screwed. Because Josh Allen doesn't have any devices in his contract that would force them to pay him more. He's at 45 as well. I mean, the two best quarterbacks in the NFL are at 45 million per year. And now we've got guys at 55 million per year. At some point, Josh Allen needs to be saying to the Bills, we got to do something about

this because all due respect to Trevor Lawrence, he's not Josh Allen. And if other guys get close to that, it just becomes more skewed and more warped. But that's what happens all the time. That's why I've been arguing for years that somebody needs to get a contract at the quarterback position that pays him a percentage of the salary cap. So as the cap goes up, his number goes up, and you never get in this spot where you feel like the guy's getting screwed. He's always getting a specific 18%, 17.5675, however they would negotiate it, but it's the same percentage of the total cap every year and then you feel like the guy's being treated fairly and his contract will increase

as the market goes. That also sounds like a lot of math. That would be tough. If I was a GM, I'd be like, I have to do too much math for that contract. Can I just give me a number and I'll pay that? But to Big Cat's point, everybody says you have to pay these guys. So like when it's Trevor Lawrence, yeah, you kind of have to pay him because you're afraid of just not having Trevor Lawrence.

You're afraid of what the open market looks like. You're afraid of being single again out there. And so it's like, I'd rather take Trevor Lawrence and just kind of, I know that I have to take my medicine on his contract than to have to start all over again. Cause I feel like the fan base would get pretty frustrated if that were the case. There's three types of teams in the NFL teams that have franchise quarterbacks, teams that don't and teams that have a guy that they're not sure yet whether or

not he's going to be one. And the Jaguars are betting that Lawrence is going to be one. And when he becomes one, they've got a damn good contract. at whether or not he's going to be one. And the Jaguars are betting that Lawrence is going to be one. And when he becomes one, they've got a damn good contract. That's what that 55 is. Because one of the things I've been preaching all off season, and it's amazing how many teams don't pay attention to this, the longer you wait, the more expensive it gets.

The Vikings waited too long with Justin Jefferson, and it got a lot more expensive. The Cowboys are waiting with Dak and CD Lamb and Michael Parsons, and it's only getting more expensive. The Cowboys are waiting with Dak and CD Lamb and Michael Parsons, and it's only getting more expensive. It never gets cheaper unless the guy literally gets hit by a bus or wakes up one day and can't play anymore. That's the only way it gets cheaper.

Teams, I don't think, are smart to bet on the guy all of a sudden falling apart. You bet on him being good, and the earlier you make that bet, the better off you're going to be. That's what was brilliant about what the Jaguars did because if they had waited around for Dak to get his or to get his or the next guy after that to get his Jordan love the one we haven't talked about that Jordan love going to get paid based on half a season, but he's going to get paid.

You wait as other guys get their deals done it only makes the price higher I think they could have got Trevor Lawrence for less if they've done, it only makes the price higher. I think they could have gotten Trevor Lawrence for less if they'd have done it before Jared Goff got 53. Yeah. So it was smart for the Jaguars to realize, hey, this is our guy. We're willing to go all in with them. Let's just stop the bleeding because it's only going to get more expensive. Yeah, I actually think that there are four kinds of quarterbacks.

There's the guy. That's number one. There's our guy. That's number two. And then there's, is he the guy? That's three. And then not the guy. That's number one. There's our guy. That's number two. And then there's is he the guy? That's three and then not the guy. That's four and I would rather be in situation one two or four Then is he the guy? I think you're right. I think you're right now the dolphins are kind of in two or three And that's the problem when you have a large chunk of the fan base

that are card carrying members of Tua and On, they want Tua to get a market level contract. And I know that Tua's people are making comps statistically between Tua and the other guys who have the top contract. So there's a belief there that he deserves that. Then you got other people in the Dolphins fan base are like, wait a minute, we can find 20 guys to do what this guy does. Now, I don't know who's right or who's wrong, but he's very polarizing.

And to your point, you just have to be right. And once you know, he's your guy, maybe he's not the guy, but if he's the best you're going to do, that's when you need to get that deal done, because whatever he becomes, if he keeps playing well, it's going to keep getting more expensive. And I don't understand that. I don't know why tiers haven't developed where you have the best of the best, you have the middle and you have it. But it's all we've seen this in recent years.

OK, hey, I'm I'm good enough and I'm eligible for a new contract. So I want to be the highest paid player in NFL history. And I'd like to think teams are going to push back a little more on that, but so far most of them have. You mentioned doing a contract that was proportional to the salary cap and then changing it year over year. Do you think a team would ever, maybe the Dol two would do a almost like flash pricing where it's like, all right, here's our schedule.

We're going to pay you a Joe burrow money for all games we think are going to be above 80 degrees. And then any game you think that's going to be below 40 degrees, you get Gardner Minshew money. Yeah, there was a Coke machine at one point. Sorry, I know you got the Pepsi cans on there. Maybe it was a Pepsi machine. Yeah, it was Pepsi. And I'm Pepsi too. I've had Pepsi stock for 25 years and I'm Pepsi and only Pepsi. Hashtag Team Pepsi. Of course you have Pepsi stock.

But there was a soda machine that the price went up and down based upon how hot it was. So there's something to that. Okay, so I think this might be the new, I think the Dolphins should sit them down and be like, look, they scheduled us in New England and Buffalo in December. You're going to have to take a pay cut that year. I'll say this five years ago, the Rams were on the verge of making Jared Goff one of the highest paid players in football. And I was saying very loudly and very clearly why are you doing that Sean McVeigh's the guy running the offense got had chances in Super Bowl 53

against the Patriots you had Brandon cooks wide open on the exact same play once in the first half and he threw it to I don't know if it was Alan Robinson or someone else instead it was now Robinson was Robert Woods running across underneath cooks was open and got missed in the same playing the second half books was wide and golf missed him. They did the same playing the second half. Hooks was wide open. Goff saw him too late, threw it late.

Jason McCordy ran over and broke it up. If you make that throw, maybe the Rams win that game. And my point was, why are you going to be in a position where you're held hostage by this guy as your quarterback and pay him all that money when you could find somebody else? And the Rams were kind of hostile about it, and they were stubborn about it, and they paid him all that money. And could find somebody else. And the Rams were kind of hostile about it and they were stubborn about it and they paid

him all that money. And then two seasons later, what did they do? They gave up an extra first round pick in the Matthew Stafford trade to get golf off their books. And look, I think Jared Goff has done very well with the Detroit Lions. Also our friend. He beat Matt Stafford. He beat Matt Stafford.

He won that trade. I think that the best thing that ever happened to him was the Rams kind of throwing him out the front door because it pushed him to a higher level of achievement. But that's the broader point. As I said earlier, who are you bidding against? What are your alternatives? And at some point you just need to have confidence. And I think that's what the Vikings were doing this year with Kirk Cousins. I really don't know this, but I don't think they really wanted him to have confidence. And I think that's what the Vikings were doing this year with Kirk Cousins. I really don't, I don't know this, but I don't think they really wanted him to come back. I think they made an offer that wasn't so low

it was insulting and they said, hey, go ahead, see what's out there and cross your fingers and hope that somebody else pays him enough that he leaves so they could reset. Because if you keep him, how long is he gonna be there anyway? They reset with JJ McCarthy and they see what happens and you have a great play caller,

a great play designer in Kevin O'Connell, a great quarterback whisperer. Maybe McCarthy becomes the guy they haven't had really since Fran Tarkin. So you have to have the willingness. And I think to your point, son, internet son, when you're in category two but you're really kind of in category three, you've got to be willing to slip into category three and say, this isn't our guy and we're going to go all the way to category four and move on. No, but what usually happens that you're in category three, is he the guy territory? And then you say he, yeah, you know, he's our guy. So you like will him into category two.

But if you go from three to two, you're willing to say, fuck it. He's in category four. If you go three, if you go back and forth from three to two. You should be in four Yes, Justin Fields Mitch Trubisky Yes If you have that whole time going back and forth between three and two me and big cat are experts on Gaiism we're guy sexual and we've been through this song and dance before we know what it is now with Kirk Cousins Him going to Atlanta Atlanta just got slapped with Maybe just the most moderate tampering penalty of all time, considering how long this investigation took. What happened with Kirk Cousins and Atlanta?

Were they talking before the window? Were they talking numbers during the window? Were they not allowed to be talking? I don't understand how there was this big tampering investigation and then they're like, you know what? Wasn't that bad. There's two important background points. Number one, tampering happens all the time.

The only people that get in trouble are the ones who are stupid enough to get caught. Everyone tampers. When you go to the scouting combine every year, it's open season. The teams are there. The agents are there. There's no digital trail on anyone's phone because everyone's meeting with each other face to face and you can talk openly and freely. And when you leave Indianapolis, the teams and the agents have an idea of who's going to be pursuing the top free agents so the tampering happens and the other side of it is Rich McKay who's got an executive level job at the Falcons he kind of got pushed out but up into a higher position during this most recent turnover of the coaching staff he's very influential in

league circles he's the chair of the competition committee. He's tight with Roger Goodell. They had a fake crowd noise thing eight or nine years ago that they only got hit with a fifth round pick. $350,000 fine, but that's a parking ticket for a multi-billion dollar business. A fifth round pick, that's the currency that gets the team's attention. That's all they lost for deliberately pumping in fake crowd noise and getting caught doing it.

So that's the background of this. I think what happened here was, and this is just my, you know, I'm not going to lie, they lost for deliberately pumping in fake crowd noise and getting caught doing it. So that's the background of this. I think what happened here was, and this is just my, you can call it fan fiction if you want, really don't care. I've had enough to drink tonight that I really am not going to get dragged down by that. But I think after following this carefully, they pigeonholed it into, well, okay, these three guys that the Falcons talked to, it was after they reached agreement and it dealt with travel arrangements and other logistics.

I just don't buy that. I think that they were talking to these guys during that negotiating window when they weren't allowed to. Kirk Cousins admitted four different ways they had tampered with him during his introductory press conference right after he signed his contract. And even before Kirk Cousins blurted out all the different ways they had tampered with him, I was suspicious about the Falcons getting to the point where they're comfortable guaranteeing $100 million to a guy that all we saw was him on a tennis court

or on a football. How do you get to the point where you're willing to commit nine figures to a 35 year-old quarterback who blew out in Achilles and all you have by way of evidence to feel good about it is what you saw on a basketball court a few weeks before and anything they would have done to get more information about his health before they made that commitment was tampering necessarily and positively because I was sniffing around all that before this happened

because it's like something's not right here they're talking to somebody they shouldn't be talking to they're getting information they shouldn't be getting and here's why it's important cousins had to make a decision because the vikings were going to move on to sam darnold so cousins needs to know falcons are you with me are you paying me because otherwise i'm taking this offer in minnesota that's what makes it troubling. If the Vikings really wanted him, he needed to make a decision the Vikings needed to know so they could pivot to another guy if they wanted to. And I think, I think that if the Falcons didn't tamper even before the window opened and didn't get the information they needed about his health. They're just stupid.

Yeah. How would you commit $100 million to a guy and not know anything about his health? Well, they drafted Michael Pennex after signing him to that, so they could be stupid. That's entirely, that's an excellent point. It is entirely possible that they are just stupid. Yeah. Or they think they have the greatest medical staff in the world, where they're like, we'll take Kirk Cousins with an Achilles and then Michael Pennex with every leg injury ever. Yeah, maybe they drafted Pennex just to get his ligaments for Kirk. Oh.

How long do you guys think that Cousins will be with Atlanta? What's your over on that? Two years. Two years sounds about right to me because that's when the guaranteed money runs out, right? And then you have a first round pick and eventually you're going to want to see what that guy can do. And I feel like it's like maybe wins the NFC South this year, goes to a playoff game, then

next year maybe like a slow start and then that's it. Here's the key though, next year his compensation is only $27 million. So you could trade him. I know he's got a no trade clause. But if you want to move on to Michael Pennings Jr. and he wants to make him a starter, he'll wave his trade. Yeah, people people get so caught up by the no trade clause. Hey, what's my choice? I'm going to get dicked around here in Atlanta, or I'm going to go somewhere else where they want me and the money is the same. I'll go there wherever it is Miami. I mean, that's, that's back to Yeah. I'm going to pay Tua $55 if maybe next year I

can get cousins for $27. And he can come in and run this offense to perfection. Mike McDaniel was a Kyle Shanahan protege. Shanahan has wanted cousins for years, really. Ever since they split ways in Washington, Shanahan's been plotting this path to get back to Kirk Cousins until he got Brock Purdy. So there could be the Dolphins.

There could be other teams that want Cousins next year. I think it could be as short as one year with Cousins in Atlanta. I mean, it'd be very interesting if Kirk's not good to go for the start of the season, and they put Penix in there. And Penix is really, really good. And then you've just got Kirk Cousins on your bench

for $100 million guaranteed. That's kind of what I'm rooting for. I think that'd be very funny to see. There's some other rookie quarterbacks out there. Three people in this room drafted a rookie quarterback. So can you give us your initial power rankings of the top three quarterbacks taken in the draft? I love Caleb Williams. I think he... We spent time with him at the scouting combine and I was just blown away. When a kid that young just gets it, it loses out of everything about him. We love talking to him. We loved it. And I was trying to, I loved that you loved it.

I was trying to get him to, to, to say he won't play for the bears and he only wants to play for the Vikings. I really tried my best to get him to do that. And Jayden Daniels, Hey, Hey son, uh, when we, we, I don't know how many guys we interviewed at the combine, defensive players from the sec. We tried to ask most of them as long as we could remember who's the toughest guy you faced in college. And all those guys said Jaden Daniels to a man who's Jaden Daniels.

It's a pretty good conference. Because he's there and then he's gone. And he could be more talented at the end of the day than Caleb Williams. They could both end up being great. The difference between this year and 2021 where he had Trevor Lawrence and five guys who've been traded for day three picks in three years, which is just amazing. These guys are ready to go. Now, Drake may, I think may take some time, but there's a chance we could go four out of five where these guys end up being good quarterbacks by the time

it's all said and done. It was made up for three years ago when it was one out of five.'s the odd man out six? There's six. I forgot there was six. Yeah, so so just go ahead and go down that list Who's the odd man out? I Go Knicks I Wonder what's gonna happen with Knicks and and I wonder because we're getting weird signals from Sean Payton about Whether it's gonna be him or Jared Stidham or maybe even Zach Wilson. And I don't know if this is just make the kid earn it, but you know, people are wondering how much of what happened last year was Russell Wilson. How much is it Sean Payton is the game passing him by.

He's dealing with a lot of that. He got LASIK though. He got, wait, did he get LASIK after he drafted? So did he have the cataracts when he was evaluating Bo Nix? I, I don't know. I don't know. That's a great question. Um, I look at it the other way. If I was one of these guys, I would want to be in Minnesota because look at what Kevin O'Connell did last year. Wait, who, what team are you root for? That's fine.

OK, all right. All right. I'm capable of being objective. I'm capable of being objective. Yeah, so am I. I'm not, but I don't do it, but I am. Let's compare and contrast. If Caleb Williams comes in and kicks ass and is great, and has 4,500 passing yards this year,

and the Bears go to the playoffs, Shane Waldron's gone next year. Okay, that's fine. And you gotta go get a new offensive coordinator and hope it works the following year. Same thing in Washington. Come on, who cares? But you're being mean right now. It feels like you're being very mean.

No, you're being mean because you're like, oh, Big Camp EFT have never had happiness. You should not be happy even though you had a 400 yard passing game last year. Like seven times. That's okay. Yeah. Then what happened with the ball? Okay. So I understand what you're saying, but what if Caleb Williams is so good that, um, Matt Eberfluss gets another job? Well, that would be crazy. Really? What, what I would hope for if I were you and I, and I, I feel bad saying this because Matt Eberfluss has a completely different demeanor. It's amazing how a guy changes when the best guy in the draft falls into your lap because

the Panthers made a shitty trade last year and gave you that pick. But Eberfluss like he's got the goatee and he's got the hair. No, he got fucked up. He got fucked up. He's, he's, he's the man now. Yeah. But I'd almost want if I were you at some level, I'd be hoping that it struggles just enough. So the bears could hire somebody who is Jim Harbaugh, an offensive guru, and you attach him to Caleb Williams hip for 10 years. Look at what happened with Drew Brees and Sean Payton. You that's what you want. You want continuity. You want consistency. Look at the Texas Bobby slow. It's going to be gone sooner

than later and CJ Stroud is going to have to figure it out with a new coordinator. And that's a big deal. Guy brings in a new playbook. He's got new calls. He's got new attitudes. He's got new approach. How much of that's going to be a problem? I would love to have like, this is a problem. If you tell me the Caleb Williams throws for 35 touchdowns and I know it's four thousand yards and the bears go to the playoffs and then we lose Shane Waldron. Sign me the fuck up. You know what the best problem to have is? No problem. That's the best problem. Yeah. Everyone's got a problem. Everyone's got a problem. All right. So this is fired me up just talking ball with Mike. I got the football in my hand. I got one last question for you, Mike. Uh, row back question. R H O B A C K

dot com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, row back.com promo code take. It's actually a question in a, in a comment. I'll start with the comment. Uh, was writing this headline, maybe one of the lowest points of your career in terms of, uh, holy shit, we need football back. Mike Floreo published this, uh, today, actually today, Sunday, father's day. He's working on father's day. U S Olympic swimming trials set attendance record at Lucas oil stadium. That's your NFL tie in that it happened at the Colts Stadium. Listen. Listen. Lucas oil stadium is in the top quartile of the upper quartile of all stadiums as Jim Marce would say. And don't

you accuse me of pandering to my corporate overlords when all I got to do is look around at all. All right. It's Olympics. It's Olympics. All right. That's fine. But I just saw that headline. I was like we're talking about a swimming record at a football stadium. Was the roof open? Did you open the roof for it? That's the big question. I have to keep. That's a good tie. Yes. All right. You got to keep the cock happy. All right. Now give us, uh, we've, we've talked a lot of facts that Mike Florio knows. Let's go opinions that Mike Florio is thinking, uh, give us a team you think is going to surprise us when we get back to football. What team you got?

Oh, Steelers. You like Russ? You think Russ? Or Justin Fields. I just think that bringing Arthur Smith in there, and it's funny how many Steelers fans lose their shit because Arthur Smith, oh, he stunk as a head coach. Yeah, but he was good enough as a coordinator to become a head coach. True. Now he's a coordinator again. So stunk as a head coach. Yeah, but he was good enough as a coordinator to become a head coach. True.

Now he's a coordinator again. So he's not your head coach, he's running the offense. I feel like there was just enough shit that went down late last year with Mike Tomlin, maybe considering his options, and enough of that trickled up to Art Rooney II, the guy who runs the team, to realize we gotta do something about our offense.

So in comes Arthur Smith. They blow up the quarterback depth chart. They've still got a great defense. And look at what they've managed to do. Tomlin superpower is to take a room full of guys that you would individually look at them and say, OK, and slap them all together and make it into a playoff team. And I know other coaches who will and this isn't just Antonio Brown.

There are others that fall into this bucket guys who played for Tomlin that go elsewhere and they're like this guy's a fucking pain in the ass. I had no idea this guy's a fucking pain in the ass. How does Mike Tomlin do it? He knows how to speak to the better angels of all these players and get the most out of them. You bring in Russell Wilson who's on his last chance. This is it for him. If he blows it

now. Ah, he took a team friendly deal. Mike, I read that headline. No, no, no. He didn't take it. No, I know. Yeah. That's what he paid 39 million this year. Shepter said he took a team. Yeah. It's no team friendly deal. I know this is his last chance. He's got to hold off Justin Fields and he's got to play well this year because after this year, he's gone He's free agent fields after this year. He's gone. He's a free agent in a weird sort of way It's like the old Seinfeld episode where Lloyd Braun and Costanza were trying to sell computers and the winner gets a waterpick and the loser gets fire One of these guys is getting the starting job in 2025. And one of them getting fired. Yeah, I think what's going to happen once those Steelers fans start seeing what Justin Fields

can do on the ground and if he's running circles around guys playing second string in the preseason they're going to fall in love with him so Ross had better get it done because if he struggles at all the Steelers fans are going to be chanting for Justin Fields and I think Tomlin knows how to handle all that. But I think you when you see the odds out there. I think we had the draft Kings odds on PFT live recently it's stunning

how little people believe in the Steelers based upon where the odds currently are okay, yeah, and Justin Fields one of the best play one of the best games he played as a pro, I was there, Monday Night Football against the Steelers at Hines Field. So they know. And people forget that's also where Russ did his little pantomime huddle thing, where he was pretending to call plays when he was injured. Is that in Pittsburgh?

That was at Hines Field, yeah. So he's got experience running visual drills on that field. Whoa. Because he did it, I think that might have been where he did the fake fist bumps too. For some reason I thought that was at Lambeau, but then Lambeau was the game that he came back. Remember when he got healed so fast? It was a miracle. But then he sucked because he clearly still had a broken thumb. Yeah. Oh Mike, I got a topic just to get you wound up on real quick because I'm sure that Chiefs fans love you. How do you feel about the Chiefs off season this year?

Most specifically dealing with legal issues. Well, I know this. They must really love Rashi Rice because we know how this goes. If you're good enough, they'll twist themselves and not just the Chiefs. Any team at any level in any sport will twist themselves into knots to excuse bad behavior. If you're borderline or scrub, you're gone. You're the guy we're going to make the example out of.

And they really do believe in Rishi Rice. And one of the things I learned when I was poking around on some of these edges with the, we all know about the street racing incident, eight felony charges that are pending. There could be more because he's yet to be charged with leaving the scene of an accident involving injuries. So he's got legal issues and I'll be surprised if he's playing week one. He's either going to be on the commissioner's exempt list or he will have pled guilty to one or more of these felonies and he'll be suspended under the personal conduct policy.

They love him because he came in last year and he figured out the offense quickly, faster than Tyree Kill did. He had a better first year in Kansas City in the Andy Reid offense than Tyreek Hill did. He had a better first year in Kansas City in the Andy Reid offense than Tyreek Hill did. So they see a ceiling for him that is just going to potentially explode. That's why they're dealing with it. And the other thing, too, is

and we've seen players like this over the years when they go back home and run with guys that they've known their whole life, they get influenced in a certain way. You know, it's the whole Aaron Hernandez thing. If he'd have been drafted by the Seahawks or the Rams or the Chargers and away from New England, who knows what the alternate universe might be. But to be around those guys in Dallas like Rice was, I think the Chiefs believe if they

can use everything they have to get him pointed in the right direction, keep him away from the guys in Dallas that have gotten him into trouble, that he'll break a certain way. But eight felonies, we've seen the video. I don't know how he gets out of this without a major problem with the NFL. So he's going to miss some time to start the season, I believe. But the Chiefs are tolerating it because they know what he can do. And look, I picked the Chiefs to win the last two Super Bowls, and it really isn't a stretch. I mean, really. Now, and the thing I love about the Chiefs, because I remember growing up in the 70s and the Steelers would kick the shit out of everybody, and then another team would come along, kick

the shit out of everybody. The Chiefs make every game they're in interesting. Playoff games. There's never a blowout. Every Super Bowl they gotta come from behind. It's like going to a Batman movie. You know Batman ain't gonna get killed, but you're gonna have moments where you're like, oh, what's gonna happen to Batman?

That's what happens with the Chiefs. So it's never boring. It's always exciting. And how, I mean, even with everything that's happened this offseason, does anybody really think they're just gonna go away this year, I don't know how you're gonna win again Yeah, they're gonna win it. Do you want to pick them to win again right now? No, but I probably will by September. I just did I probably won again Um, alright, well Mike everyone, please do go buy Mike's book. He is one of our favorite guests

Like I said, he you can't tell this history apart in my take without Mike Florio It was great. Just talking ball. Yeah. If you ever read, if you were starting to read my Christmas book, but I never heard from you again. So I assume you didn't finish it. No, I did. I read a couple of pages and I got the gist of it. I got the gist of it. I read it and uh, and then Blake took it from me and he started eating it and he, I love Blake. He like is awesome. He looked very dog so bad. He loved my dog. I just want another one. He looked very happy while he was eating it.

So he loved your book. Yeah. Yeah. Probably better on the way in than the way out. Yeah. Yeah. I got the gist of it. It's a book.

All right. Yeah. But Mike, you are the best and welcome to phase me. We'll talk to you maybe in August. Thanks. What's after phase me? Is it phase you? And welcome to Phase Me. We'll talk to you maybe in August. Thanks. What's after Phase Me? Is it Phase You?

Phase We? I don't know. I don't know. I have no idea. OK, we'll enjoy Phase Me. All right, Mike. I'm sorry to end on such a low note. I don't have anything witty to say.

So what the fuck? All I can say is goodbye. And I love you, Hank. Hank just did the wrap it up thing, where he's like, Mike is talking too much. He did that. Let's go. Let's go. Get fired up at Hank again. All right. No, that's fine. I'm fine now. No. Okay. All right. Well, Mike, you're the best. All right. Love you. Love you. Bye, Mike. Bye. Part of my take is sponsored by better help.

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help.com slash PMT. That's better help. That's help.com slash PMT. Okay, we're running long. So let's we'll put Monday reading to next Monday because it can wait. Max has been here the entire time. Now Max missed his flight because he was so sad about Thursday's show, so he missed the show today, but he's been listening the whole time. He's been taking notes for Max's Minute. So Max, hello. What did we get wrong? Hello. Not everything was, not much that was actually wrong. I just have some notes of

things that I would like to say. Okay. You're like Luca Brasi right now. Okay. Why are you not able to speak? I can speak. Okay. I'm literally speaking. By the way shout out Big Dom for sending us these uh Big Dom's the best. Great. Big Dom sent us a care package and I texted Big Dom a picture of it and said thank you so much and he just replied my paisans and I fucking I love it. I hate how much I love my brother. It's so excited when I showed him that that response that it just said my pies on my pies on. Okay. Ready? Yes. Loser winner thing. Mean

loser tried to show up. Loser hates Philadelphia airport. The Philly airport is dead to the loser. Wait, what's rushing? What was this? This is my man. He's referring to himself as a loser. Okay to himself as the loser. Okay, you are the loser. The loser minute. Can you, is a loser in the room with you right now? I'm the loser. That was when you were doing like the whole metaphor thing of like there's a loser and

the loser didn't show up. Got it. Oh, you mean like Bryson and Rory? Yeah. So you're Rory? Yeah. Yeah, he's Rory. I'm Rory correct Minus the hundreds of millions of dollars and the major championships

Alright, you're you're the one who said it What? Something you were the one who was inferring that I was the loser. So what I think you know, you just heard you inferred yourself Yeah, we never said anything about what they said was up for interpretation and you interpret UK. We were talking we're doing the show and you were literally writing I think they're talking about me because they mentioned a loser. I distinctly did not mention your name. I was saying that we would never do something like that on this show. I hate you guys. Okay. Can I continue? Oh for one. Hank's resting anger faces so much worse than Bryson's. Yeah, it wasn't. We're talking about Bryson. So over to over to Patrick Cantlay.

Yeah, we're talking about Patrick Cantley. Okay. Yeah. Oh, actually. Yeah. No, Patrick Hamley and Hank kind of kind of similar in that respect. I'm going to pull up his face right here. You're not. you do not have a dumpy Body like he does now soon though. What I'm trying to get a fat ass you are Be bella hang for dead dunking lower body. How fat are we talking? I mean just anything that's like not inverted would be nice You know Permission to look when you get it? Yeah. Okay. You're getting caked up on us?

Nice. Peaches. That's going to look real good with a shaved head. Yeah. Yeah, you're going to look like Sigourney Weaver in Alien. Mm. Hot. Hot.

You didn't see that movie. No. Okay. Max, 0 for 2. Tatum one 15 five and three on four of 10 shooting. He is now shooting 36% from the field and 29% from three this series. I just like thought that we should have talked. We should talk about that. Okay. That's actually a good addition. One, one for three. Yeah. Yeah. One for three. Similar to Tatum shooting. Yep. Would you say that you're having a good show then? What

would you say you're having a good show right now? You went in one for three. No, I'm having a bad show. Okay. Smart. You're learning. Smart. Uh, the Chris stops, get him on the court to win a championship was such a dumb statement. Put's no way that they would put him on the court for no reason. I don't know why, but in the moment, I was like, yeah, that makes sense. They just trot him out there at the end of the game. What were you thinking, Hank? In the third quarter, they would get him out there? They're up 15, 20, and then he checks in.

For the last 30 seconds? Yeah, something like that. Is the NBA fun? No, they wouldn't do that. We'll see. There's still time. Okay. Uh, Joel and be very talented man, not tampering. Men are allowed to roll their eyes. Um, or you're allowed to roll their eyes. I don't know about that. I think that's more of a woman's thing. That's what? Rolling your eyes. I don't know if men are allowed to roll their eyes. Men roll their arms. Yeah, I don't think so. Like it's not,

it's not illegal. I think it should be. Okay. Keep going. All right. Fine. Uh, or those would have had to sweep the series if you were to consider it a throttling you don't know throttling. Okay well they throttled them because they lost one game in extra innings and they beat them six to two and eight to two. They throttled them. They were that means nothing and also there was a game they lost one. Yeah they throttled them. A throttling would be a sweep in the games that they beat them. They throttled them. No, the game yesterday was not a throttling. It was one run, but it was a one run game and then they throttled a bunch of insurance runs. The insurance runs. Yeah, I throttled them. And you all knew they really technically they had a one run lead

and then all the other runs were just insurance, right? Yes. It was a good game Throttled today. Well, I don't know what our dogs what I always don't have a face off guy, which is crazy Is that just true? What about he choose every face off guys? No, he's He's just a score get the score guy. He's a who scores. So is our new coach just not doing face-offs? I think the one, they just don't do face-offs because they're, I think their face-off guy got hurt and they just choose not to do face-offs. Cause that's how we lost on Saturday was they just won a face-off in overtime and scored

two seconds later. Yes. That guy has three goals just off of the face off the face off guy. Yeah, so crazy. Should we get a new face off guy? Should we wait for our face off guy to get healthy? I don't know. We need we need a face off guy. This I learned a lot about last weekend. It was kind of fun. Okay. Um, go birds. We were just talking about birds. Okay. I talked to Jack Mack. He said there's no bugs in the impossible meat. That was something I wanted to come back to oh Got it. It's so I write no fair bugs. Yeah, the impossible me no bugs. Okay. All right lastly

Lastly I would like to ask Hank if game five is must win. Oh Hank your max you you you may officially be having a great show. Yes. It's a must win. Yeah. So that means that when you said earlier that you weren't nervous at all then you lied. Yeah. You lie. A must win. You have to be nervous about a must win. I told you I was a little nervous. I'm pretty percent. No, but you're way more than 15. If it's a must, must wins are not 15%. But it's at home. It's six one seven. Is it a must win? Six one, six one, six one, six one seven. If it's a must win, you have to be nervous. I told you guys I was a little nervous. Not must win nervous. You sound more like can't lose nervous but every game is a must win don't do that now every single game

no this last game wasn't a must yeah we're up three nothing Friday night was not a must win but now it's now it's 3-1 you should have made you should have made Friday night a must-win sounds like you didn't take Friday night as a must win no I didn't and I learned from my mistakes so now every games a must yes must-win. Yes. Okay. So you are nervous. A little bit. It sounds like you're a lot nervous. A lot nervous. If you're making must-win. For a must-win. Yeah. You're up 3-1. You're basically up, well no, you were up 3-0. Great job Max. Thank you. I muted myself. I'm sorry. Okay. Alright. Good show boys. Good show. It's great being back in studio. Oh Max, do you have any comment about the guy on the Eagles that was caught on camera

after banging an OnlyFans model and then she videotaped him running naked down the hotel room hallway? Uh, he was probably sleepwalking. Okay, alright that's fair. It was more sleep running. Yeah, it was a very funny video. I just have no idea what you're talking about. It was a very funny video.

It sounds like you're not locked in on your birds. It was Tarell Lewis. T-Loo. I don't even know who that is. T-Loo likes the OnlyFans ladies, allegedly. And then the OnlyFans lady tagged him and a bunch of coaches from the Eagles on Twitter. Big Don will take care of that.

Yeah. Yeah. OK. Numbers. 8. 20. 18. I'm not going to do. Eight, twenty. Eighteen. I'm not gonna do one. Three. I don't have to do one.

You have to do one. You're on the show, you have to do one. Six or seventeen. Alright, fine, fifty-six, but this is Mickey Mouse if I win. Oh, it's not, it's a real ball. What, six or seventeen? I'm not here. He's trying to take six, one, seven.

Yeah, but you can't, you can't do two numbers. Alright, seventeen. That's a panic move. That was crazy. No, I just wanted to, you know, try to sneak one in there, you never know. You can't do two numbers. All right, 17. That's a panic move. No, I just wanted to try to sneak one in there. You never know. It almost worked. Sneak in two numbers?

OK, Shane? 21. 99, Pug. Pug's got the headphones on. Yeah, Pug. Holly Pug. Holly Pug. Pug the plug.

Pug, real quick, anything you want to apologize for? What? You're getting hit up for tickets? No, no, no, no, no, no, not that. I don't care. That I didn't end with Pug. Yeah. Yeah. I got caught up in them. I was too focused on the ad. You did a whole ad and I was like, who did this? I know. He's never said pug. I dropped an immediate apology though. Pug. Okay. Terms apply. All right. Memes. What was your number? Three. No. So I'm actually kind of rooting for Max to get this because he said he doesn't want it to count. So you're saying it won't count?

No, you said it counted. I said it would be Mickey Mouse. Okay so it will be Mickey Mouse. Yeah. Said it'd be Mickey Mouse. Okay, so it will be Mickey Mouse. Yeah 24 Love you guys. Imagine if it was 20 you would not have reacted that way We would just cut your screen off. Yeah, you wouldn't have come back And it was 20 You wouldn't have come back. If the new is 20, yeah, I don't know what to say, I'll say it anyway Today is another day to find you, shine away, I'll be coming for your love again

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