Pardon My Take - Barry Sanders, Colts LB Darius Leonard + Our Role In OBJ Gate

Episode Date: January 17, 2020

Cleaning up the National Championship and the fall out from Odell Beckham handing out cash after the game (2:27 - 11:31). Astros Cheating has reached an insane level (11:31 - 18:51). Championship Sunday preview + picks (18:51 - 29:02). Barry Sanders joins the show to talk about his career, whether he could still play, dunking, and breaking ankles (29:02 - 55:15). Colts Pro Bowl Linebacker Darius Leonard joins the show to talk about searching for haters online, his nickname Maniac, and Andrew Lucks retirement (55:15 - 74:33). Segments include Fyre Fest, this league for Brooks Koepka dunking on people, Conor McGregor is in a fight who knew? And FAQ's with a special XFL talk for PFT's burgeoning kicking career. You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

Hey, pardon my take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen, ad-free, on Amazon Music. On today's pardon my take, we have Barry Sanders Hall of Famer, Barry Sanders, in the flesh. We interviewed him in New Orleans. We also have Darius Leonard, pro-bola from the Indianapolis Colts, in the flesh, interviewed him in New Orleans.

Very productive week so far. We also have a little cleanup from our national championship interview with Joe Burrow and Coach O on Wednesday. We have some cheating by the Astros. Everyone's cheating. Everyone's getting fired or walking away. It's chaos in the baseball streets. And of course, Championship Sunday.

Preview of Championship Sunday, guys, we only have three football games left. We need to embrace that. We need to love that. The Pro Bowl though. The Pro Bowl. We need to love that. We need to embrace it. So, everyone get ready.

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Okay. Let's go. Welcome to Part of My Take presented by the Cash App. Go download it right now in News Code Barstool. You get $10 for free, $10 to ASPCA. Today is Friday, January 17th. Are we snitches? No, we're not snitches.

Snitches get snitches. All we did was have a conversation with a friend and then other snitches picked up on it and reported it. Okay. So to recap, if you missed Wednesday's show, go back and listen to it right now because it was an all-timer with Joe Burrow and Coach O'Mere hours after they won the National Championship. We had a conversation with Joe Burrow, just guys being friends, having a good time.

It had happened on Monday night, Odell Beckham was handing out money. Everyone saw the video. It went all over the place. We happened to ask just a simple question of Joe, did Odell Beckham hand out cash? Now we didn't say it was a real cash, but do we have this transcript? Do you want to read it so that people can know? Here we go. Here's the official transcript so that we can exonerate ourselves.

Courtesy of Jake Marsh. Jake Marsh transcribes. Snitchgate 2020. I almost said 2019. Mr. Kat, did Odell give you money? Joe Burrow? Um, yeah. I'm not a student athlete anymore, so I can say yeah.

Did he give you money? Not real money, not fake money. That's all he said. Wait, that's not part of the transcript. Mr. Kat, yeah, that's sick. He was just handing out cash. I was thinking it would have been awesome if Odell started printing fake money as a flex.

Joe Burrow said, with like his face on it, Mr. Kat, yeah, like you try to pay for a drink and this is monopoly money. That's sick that he was just handing out cash. How much cash did he bring? Joe Burrow, I don't know. So I, first of all, that's total exoneration 100% cash does not mean real or fake. Right. Does not mean you just asked cash, right, cash.

You were basically saying, were there bills that were put into your hand? If anything, Joe Burrow agreeing how funny it would be if it was monopoly money, it seems like he's very aware of what fake money would look like, which would make you think, hmm, that might have been fake money. He's like, you're right, big Kat. That fake money is hilarious. The night's coming back to me. It was fake money.

I'd also like people like to go back and listen to the transcript before we did the interview where we talked about getting Joe into that room because technically we kidnapped Joe Burrow. Yeah. He did not consent to the interview. That's why we brought him into the room. We sat him down and started asking him questions. He was probably afraid at the time for his life.

Yes. So he was going to say anything he could to get out of that room. It was under duress. Yeah. We were kidnapping. We should be in jail. We are. So I will go to jail for LSU.

You know what? I will self report. Yeah. Our compliance and fraction of kidnapping to the NCAA. Yes. Part of my take is willing to shoulder whatever sort of punishment the NCAA deems fit and that will be on us as a podcast. We will self report that.

So ultimately it's really not a big deal because I think that LSU is going to deal with it by just giving the money back to Odell. It was a weird situation. Odell had a night. Odell really made it about Odell. And if anything I feel like we're getting some blame that should be more like how about the guy who was just handing out cash and putting them in a compromising situation real or fake we don't know.

I don't think we're getting that much blame for it. No we aren't. Because yeah. Well it's just credit. It's just media. Just taking those words and completely like they have nothing else to talk about so they're just taking those words. And they said that Joe Burrow confirmed that the money was real using the quote when he

said yeah. Very curious. The question wasn't was the money real. Very curious that oftentimes no one and we don't actually care if people say our name when they use our interview. We do the cease and desist as a joke like I don't care if Colin Coward gets our name right. It's a fun back and forth.

I just want Leroy to be credited one time. It doesn't actually matter to us but it seems like the media is going above and beyond to credit us with this story the one story that could possibly be misconstrued as us being bad. So that's bullshit. I know what you're doing. Greeny I know what you're doing bro. Floreo was the one that hurt.

Yeah Floreo hurt. Yeah that was bad when he and he went out of his way to credit us big time on that one. Yeah shit. All right so Floreo's on my shit list too now. Okay well either way we did nothing wrong except have our only great time was hanging out with a buddy. Yeah. It's on all the it's on TMZ.

I bet you was a Bama fan actually at TMZ that wrote the initial article that got everything going and it was Nick Saban probably gave Odell Beckham the money to hand out to the players as well. So let's not let him off the hook for this plus here's one other fact that that was brought to my attention by a listener Mike Martello. So Joe said when we asked him how much money he was going to have in a couple months. Yeah remember that we said maybe you ever think about how rich you're going to be. Great question.

And his answer was probably a million times more than I have right now. So he did the math on this Kyler Murray made thirty two million twenty thirty two million dollars minus taxes or before that was before taxes. So that would mean that Joe Burrow would have no more than thirty two million or thirty two dollars in his pocket at the time of the PMT interview. Wow. He said he's going to have a million times more. So if you know that was passing out a legend hundred dollar bills.

So that was that would lead one to believe that it was a fake so true Odell dollar bill so true that Joe Burrow got according to his own words. New article you can run Joe Burrow denies yes that it was fake money in the same interview. So there you go. We rest our case. Also Odell Beckham lost his mind. So now he has worn out for his arrest. He really made this about himself.

He did. It was pretty crazy. He made it about himself as much. He was he like broke. He like interrupted coach. Oh speech coach. Oh speech slapped a police officer in the ass put a bunch of players in compromising situations with real or fake money.

We don't know Odell Beckham did a good job of making this national championship solely about Odell Beckham. I the coach. Oh interruption. I didn't get as much of like an interruption vibe as a lot of other people did. That just seemed like he was saying something and everybody in the room was like yeah like that seemed like it was pretty well in the bounds of normal behavior. The rest of I just think it was fucked up.

Yeah. I think it was messed up in the locker room. We all were. I think it's time like we all were. We all were. Do you know this. Here's a fact. PFT that I learned yesterday.

Trevor Lawrence played like shit in the national championship game. Yeah. I had no idea. Overrated. 17 overthrows. There you go. Did you know. I had no idea.

It was crazy to learn that fact on Wednesday. My big problem with Odell slapping the officer on the butt is he used one hand and when we were kids growing up we were taught to use two hands really nice push really looked the ass in your hands. Pop the defense. No fundamentals. He's all about that one hand action. Yeah.

And he didn't lick it first. No he didn't. Also that was also very disrespectful. I'll take the fall for this one too. I'll take the fall for that one too because Odell saw the police officer. He was a short. All that ass. He was a short gentleman.

Yeah. He probably thought it was me. Odell is a listener of the show. He had a dunk. He heard me saying that I wanted to be slapped in New Orleans and he was trying to do me a favor. There you go. So thank you Odell.

It was it was a good thing that you did in theory. It was just a case of mistaken identity. Sounds like we have gotten ourselves out of this one. Yep. Easily. And people also said that's that. Yeah. I saw some people saying but if it was fake money why were the players taking it?

Well wouldn't you want as a novelty fake money from Odell Beckham that can be resold. Now that might be a violation. I don't say they shouldn't resell it the fake money to resell fake money. Yeah. No novelty thing. I think that's fine. That's like the opposite. That's double counterfeiting.

So okay. So we're fine. It's each other out. Yeah. We're fine. We're fine. So the initial explanation was no no he was just Odell is just a counterfeiter. Yeah.

He's just he's he has millions of counterfeit dollars that he's just passing out for us. Yeah exactly. It also Clemson was passing out those two dollar bills which we learned is the thing. So everything was a little loose fast and loose in New Orleans. He can't really can't really hold anyone accountable for that. I say we just if you're the NCAA this is a perfect opportunity to just move on. Yeah. Just like get let him give the three hundred dollars back or whatever.

Yeah. Worry about someone just move on. You get no problems with that in basketball either. So forget about it. No I have yet to hear anybody care about this issue like from an actual like oh man this is bad standpoint. Wasn't that how it's Louisiana who cares started when the basketball coach was doing it.

Yeah. So really you're the NARC if you care. Yeah. Yeah. You're the cop. Yeah. I was saying earlier the only people that could possibly care about this outside of the four people in Indianapolis whose job it is to only make sure how much money

they make all year round at the NCAA would be somebody that has like a burner account set up on an SEC message board just in case right just in case their primary gets banned. Right. So that's that. We've moved on. Barcelgold.com slash PMT by the way you can see both of our interviews because they were in person. We have to move on to something else before we get to the preview.

The Astros the Astros cheating thing has taken on an insane life of its own because now we have Alex Korogoff fired Carlos Beltran stepped down and on top of all that we now have Carlos Beltran's alleged niece tweeting that the Astros had buzzers under their jerseys and they have a clip where Altuve is running to home base and he's running after hitting a walk off home run. I think it was in the ALCS against Chapman and he's telling them do not rip off my jersey because I have a device underneath my jersey that buzzes me every time there's a fastball. Now he didn't say the last part but he did say do not rip off my jersey.

He was holding his jersey together like a very modest woman in a very storm and he was like he was protecting it and he was saying no no no do not touch me do not touch me. I think it's because they tore his jersey off the previous time right. Yeah. So he had a walk off and they ripped his jersey off so he was saying don't do it this time and allegedly it's because they had to buzz there's one solution to this problem make the players play nude and take away trash cans. I was going to say also recycling also trash cans in the clubhouse.

It's alleged that the Dodgers are going to get mixed up in this as well soon and that they were one of the teams. OK. So the other thing they should do is retroactively give the Cubs a 2017 World Series. So back to back. No big deal. Are the Cubs a dynasty now. We lost the Dodgers and the Dodgers lost the Astros cheaters cheaters cheaters just

do the right thing. Another banner. Yeah. Also the Washington Nationals should get two trophies for this year for beating the cheaters. Yeah. That's extra difficult that they did. The whole thing is crazy.

I mean baseball. I love it because this is not uncharted territory for baseball baseball gets in a cheating controversy every 15 years that you know rocks baseball. So greenies steroids Pete Rose I spitballs spitballs white socks the white socks. There's all kinds of controversy so they'll be fine. There's just they didn't let minorities play for a long time minorities play. They didn't let the Cubs win a World Series for a really long time. There's a lot of things that baseball has done wrong.

What's his face his son in the clubhouse. Oh. Adam Dunn. Adam Roche. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Who was it that almost got run over the Dusty Baker's son almost got run over. That's right. Yeah. In the World Series. Scoop him out of the way. Yeah. Deon Sanders playing two sports.

That was crazy. Lou was pissing on his hands. Nuts. Crazy. Yeah. Crazy. Crazy scandals. So is it time for Gary Bettman to resign.

So was framed and someone put cork in his bat and then bleached his. No. That's all. Yeah. There's all kinds of. Someone dumped Sammy Sosa and bleached. No one's talking about that guy. Bullshit.

There's just a bleacher running out there. Scott Free. The Rangers like single A or whatever made each other jerk each other off. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. We don't talk about that anymore. Nuts. That was a wild scandal.

Yeah. No just jerk me off. That was yeah. There's a lot of controversy. So I like how that one was was branded as hazing. Yeah. Like I just got a hand job for my teammate because he was hazing me. So I don't even know where baseball goes from here.

I think I feel like it's. Death penalty. Lifetime ban ball for the sport. Give. Give lacrosse. America's sport. Give them all the stadiums. It should no longer be America's pastime.

The whole thing's so crazy though because now like if they were wearing buzzers that's insane. Yeah. That's insane. It is crazy. So somebody called in to a radio show in Philly today. I want to read this take because it is it is chef's kiss perfect. They called in and said it was Mark and Reese the Mark and Reese show in Philly.

If we had stolen signs in World War Two we'd all be speaking Japanese. So it does make you think America had stolen signs. Right. Yes. If we hadn't stolen signs in World War Two we'd all be speaking Japanese. Sign stealing is the most American thing someone can do. I think he first of all grossly overestimates Americans capacity to learn foreign languages. Yes.

But secondly that's just like I will take my hat off to that take. Yeah. All day long. Making a lot of sense. The Astros basically had little enigma machines strapped to their body. We won the Cold War. In the same way. Patriotic than that.

Yeah. You won the Cold War where you just had to you know spies everywhere. You need that shit. So yeah baseball I don't know where to go. I guess people are just going to keep it getting mad. I like it because if you follow enough people on baseball Twitter it's just it's every hour a new video comes out where they're like check this out. And it's like the fans of the teams that are getting fucked over are now looking for other

teams to put the blame on them because they don't want to take responsibility. This is actually a sneaky way for baseball to grow the game because I feel like in the last three weeks I have rewatched way too much baseball. This is the most social media friendly the game maybe that's why I didn't want clips on social. Oh yeah. There we go. They're trying to hide everything Hank also Gary Sheffield Jr. is getting in on it saying

that player you're saying that that account does Gary Sheffield have a son. I'm sure he plays baseball. He said free. Probably on the blue junior yeah so he said that that account that was allegedly from Beltran's niece wasn't actually Beltran's niece but rather it's a player. Oh using that as a burner. So this is the most like social media buzz that the game based there executing the scandal perfectly yes to maximize clicks.

And Jessica Mendoza went on Goliath and Wingo and had the worst take ever. That's right. There are so many. She's really disappointed in Mike fears for whistleblowing this whole thing like what aren't you aren't you more mad that like people are like doing crazy cheating. That should probably be the story. But either way people are mad at her like Steven A status yeah yeah so it was an interesting zag on everyone's like going one way like hey baseball is kind of fucked up that everyone's

cheating with buzzers under their jersey. Actually the real fucked up part is we as anyone ever snitched yeah people open their stupid lying mouths yeah actually you know what I'm we should probably defend Jessica Mendoza as an anti snitching podcast. That's true. So you know what good take Jess. So Jess with you know what if the scandal hadn't come to light Major League Baseball would have three great managers still managing their team teachers of the game right we're

trying to make baseball more accessible to a wider audience and to do that we need the best product possible. So if you're able to get away with cheating you should be allowed to do that no matter what it bring back steroids to yeah do it all I'm sure it should be back yeah it's at least at least all right steroids one us World War two as well yes because we caught well not sterile but we copied the Germans meth drugs that they were painting right so greenies greenies yeah and so we gave our guys meth too and that's how we so there you go yeah all right let's do some football talk championship Sunday you ready for it it's

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are standing in the way I don't really know what to make of this game so Andy Reed is what one in five in Championship games whatever Conference Championship say that so I'm listen Patrick Mahomes said earlier today that he wants to make Andy Reed happy more than he wants to make himself happy by winning this game agree I like that yes in fact that makes me happy for Patrick Mahomes because he cares more about making Andy Reed happy that's that's how much I want Andy Reed to be happy and I'll put it this way I want the Chiefs to win I'm rooting for the Chiefs I'm betting on the Titans all right I got a stat for you is that a good way to cover both my bases yeah it is I got a stat for you well I have

a stat the if you were smart you'd follow this stat I'm not going to the under is 3623 and one for Andy Reed at home with the Chiefs it also is an under referee so the referee I can't remember who's reffing this game Cleep Lakeman is an under referee but I'm taking the over and I don't care because I actually when you're looking at this game I feel like both offenses match up perfectly with both defenses the Titans secondary will not be able to stop Kansas City and Kansas City's run defense will not be able to stop Derek Henry give me give me the over 53 I don't care I don't care I like that logic because I the only thing is I think Mike Vrabel is going to do something weird with the defense

because but there's not that's the thing you can do weird stuff against you know like the the Ravens you can stop the Ravens by putting eight men in the box and everything like you can't stop Travis Kelsey and Tyree Kill and me Cole Harbin when they're all running routes down the field and you're like holy shit how do we guard all of these guys you know the only way to do it get pressure on Pat Mahomes the four guys also play made a man covers Warren Sharps at that yeah just blitz him just blitz what yeah if you blitz him you're fucked you're fucked as it here's the here's the trick to beating Pat Mahomes sack him sack him if you can tackle him before Patrick Mahomes can pass the ball he has a

zero point zero quarterback intercept him yes yeah that's good just a lot of interceptions I also this is going to be really stupid analysis but I think it matters the chiefs in the Patriots game last year in the FC Championship game played at Arrowhead at night this one's going to be kicking off during the day I think that changes things because you look at them and you're like oh I've seen this I've seen this movie before they've lost this game exactly this time last year under the lights in Arrowhead now maybe it's going to be a little bright out right a little different also the ref again it was very stupid analysis refs are going to be actively engaged in helping it to be a chiefs vs. Packers Super Bowl so they can

get that buzz yes Super Bowl one repeated in year 100 so you're taking the Titans I'm betting on the Titans against the spread not straight up seven and a half seven right now yeah I'm betting on the Titans right now but I'm rooting for the chiefs okay I'm going to take the over I don't care here's another stat if you want to bet on the Titans you want to feel smart underdogs in the playoffs three and a half points or better since 2003 43 28 and one knew that I knew that that's why I'm betting take those dogs oh sorry underdogs that are not public underdogs so there it is public money is on the chiefs and the 49ers so that means you should probably take the underdogs double dog double dogs money line double dogs you're

gonna money line them I'm gonna money line double dog parlay no way like it's the only way to end this put it in and tell us how much it it pays well $100 bet okay so the other game the Packers cannot win no they cannot I I don't think they will the 49ers even yes they kicked the shit out of the Packers the first time around by the way the Packers did you see what does it pay 100 to 1 800 whoa that's pretty good to one the Packers did a on their social media they did one play from each game and it was hilarious because the like the Packers losses have been bad losses so it was one of the plays was them scoring a touchdown against the Chargers when they were down like 30 nothing and the other

play against the 49ers was they were down 23 nothing and he converted a fourth down that was the one play they put in the one fourth down conversion highlight of the whole season it was quarter was it it's the fourth quarter yeah listen here's the thing about this game this matchup the Packers defense cannot stop the 49ers off yes and the Packers offense cannot stop yeah 49ers defense yeah I don't see a way that the pack win this game I really don't don't know you're fine too much the Rogers revenge I liked where you're going but then you went too far no what was it what was it when you said I don't see any way the package on that game just by telling you that I think when I when I implied they couldn't

win this game I was with you but no beginning now you were too far now I know what you're doing I sniffed it out not make you don't have to worry I don't want it you don't have to worry about being down in Miami and spending a week around Packers fans putting their ownership certificates in your face no wearing the cheese that you're not going to have to deal with that have you one week of semi football vacation down in Miami for the Super that's not that would never happen to you have you factored in the fact that the 49ers passed up on Aaron Rogers in the draft when he wanted to go there yes and it talks about all the time I added that to my calculation I don't see that being I don't feel like Aaron Rogers the guy to

carry a grudge do you want to you want a fun fact if Aaron Rogers wins this game he will be 10 and 5 in the playoffs one Super Bowl will he'll have the exact same record as Joe Flacco oh there we go well he's so hopefully Aaron Rogers can someday be as good as Joe Flacco Joe Flacco one of the best postseason quarterbacks of all time I'm just saying that's the only thing you remember Joe Flacco everyone calls Aaron Rogers the goat he's he's he's 9 and 5 and what they call no they call him the boat you even say big I go he's the best quarterback ever blah blah blah like most talented or some shit and he is pretty talented he's probably gonna win this game and I'm gonna hate myself also I am gonna give such

a fucking cocky like Aaron Rogers doesn't even have fun anymore he didn't even happy he needs to win this game to pay for the house now he's gonna do a post game he's gonna be like yeah I guess I'll go to Miami what's the what's the Super Bowl bonus for Aaron Rogers like I'm sure he's got that incentive baked into his God he's here he probably needs that money he can't make that mortgage payment without it also I'm I don't want the Packers to win the Super Bowl because if they do they do that thing where they sell more stock right after a Super Bowl win it dilutes my share so I'm trying to I'm trying to safeguard my investment come on 49ers you got this actually then Greg Kittle's got like a little ankle

I think you're safe he's gonna be okay he's full practice don't worry about he's full practice I need I need my boy I need my horse to ride I think I really need him to ride to just fucking throw people out of the club Niners Chiefs great I would love that that would be a fantastic Super Bowl Joe Montana Elvis Gerback get all the big stars out the fan too much red though Alex the red is a little yeah no the red is a little tough no don't do that nope just saying aesthetically it'd be aesthetically pleasing the grass is going to be green it's fine it's fine the 49ers are gonna win 49ers are gonna win 49ers are gonna win I think you're right it's going to be fine and maybe we'll talk to some 49ers

players if because that's really what we're rooting for because we if 49ers get there we know people on 49ers yeah we haven't been to the Packers facility and interviewed their coach no that was a bit that people forget about that that was I don't think anyone forgets about that we had a lovely time up in Lambo no no no I would like to go to Lambo last last thing we should throw out there it's a little four blow ball four blow I would actually it is it is the boy Dan Sider really fucked us up full because it's two former assistant coaches yeah on the Redskins playing against each other yikes yep okay let's get to our interviews let's start oh sorry before we do that remember bet MGM is a home for PMT

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winner right so so but again yeah right the mortgage market mortgage squares dot com you can find out about it's free to enter which is even more amazing I'm in right I'm answering sign you up yeah sign me up sign me up all right so it's great to have you on again like I said we you were like one of our first maybe 10 guests at an autograph signing in Chicago for three minutes this one's be a little bit longer and we're a little bit bigger now and we're happy to have you on where should we start should we start with are you officially retired that's a serious question yeah that's my dad has I swear to God for a decade after you retired he'd be like right around July August every year be like you know who's out

there Barry Sanders I don't know and I still think that you could put up what do you what could you put up if you were if you had to get out there right now on a Sunday you have a great offensive line you got a great scheme how many yards you put them giving you 15 carries 15 carries a game yeah you know how many maybe I can put up I don't know five six hundred yards something like that there we go yeah that's pretty good the thing is like you're not actually joking about that and if you were in couch and hands offense if you played on the Niners I think you could have 500 yards yes right now if I play on the Niners this season yes I appreciate that man yeah I appreciate that yeah what point after you

retired though like what age were you like maybe it's not like because I'm sure there was a couple years you're like I could still do it if I wanted to that's the great thing about retiring when I did you know I can I can always sort of play that game right even when I'm like 90 you know I can still sit there and say yeah you know maybe maybe I still have a little something left in those legs okay so at 50 I feel like I feel like I could run maybe a four five four six you know yeah it's good no because you're playing the same game that my dad's been playing for the last 20 years like Paris air still got something left in those legs when was the last time you put the pads on I wasn't when I played that's it yeah when I play I feel like you put them on yeah you think I

put them on at the house in the back watching the game maybe watching the game put on the helmet just walking from here and just look at yourself like I look like a football player yeah that's what that's the one thing when I look in the mirror I do not look the same way I did when I was 25 years old right I look a lot different part of time yeah so I it happens man I mean I feel I feel like I'm you know decent for a 50 year old guy 51 actually younger than both of us you know I'm decent but yeah you know had you seen me you guys weren't born back then but had you see me when I was 25 man I'm telling you listen you would be impressed listen we know Barry Sanders we were we were like mid 90s we were about 10 years old so okay you heard the name you cut up the bears

all the time you cut up I try to try my best yeah absolutely you have one of the best highlight reels of all time on YouTube do you ever watch your old highlights and you're like damn that guy's good sometimes I do you know people I don't like just go and Google myself and watch him but just happen to see him ESPN's maybe doing something for instance Chris Berman did his top 50 plays recently and I was thinking maybe maybe I'll come in at like number 20 or something like that but I think I was like number five on his list of top top 50 plays in NFL history and so that was like in the last few weeks and he showed you know the Patriots run I had in 97 where I'm kind of spinning a guy around it may have been a bear's a bear's highlight I didn't have enough

bears highlights though that's one thing I regret I didn't have enough bear well I'm gonna get to that later because I have some stats I'm gonna read you I have a game we played with Jerry Rice when we had him on so we'll do that later but did you there actually was a moment in the Ravens Titans game where people were talking on Twitter because Derek Henry turned Earl Thomas around and basically was pushing him in the back and is it it must be nice knowing that like when you juke a defender so bad that he's actually turning around that's like Barry Sanders that's like a Barry Sanders thing that I was like that's a very sad no that's definitely a high high compliment yeah like he got lost or something like that right sort of sort of thing you got

someone just turning around not knowing where they are on a football field absolutely I mean that that's the thing that I live for as a running back there was nothing I love greater than playing in the NFL and lining up at seven yards deep playing this game you never knew what was gonna happen you know and and for me I grew up watching great running backs you know you guys talked about Chicago I mean I I was glued to the TV when Walter Payton played or Tony Dorsett or Marcus Allen or Earl Campbell the list goes on you know and so and so I loved I mean you know hey look it's one of those games where sometimes you you get humiliated and then sometimes you get to humiliate the other guy right you know so is is it crazy though to look back and I think one

of the greatest like testaments to who you were as a football player as since you played there hasn't been a guy who you're like that looks like Barry Sanders even say Juan Barclay people make that comparison but it's not all the way there where the ability to juke guys out of their shoes to that level like that's really the testament is that you are one-of-one kind of thing I guess I mean I'll take your word for it you know like like I said before man I watch so many guys play and I feel like I I feel like I borrowed here and there from different guys and maybe put my own little spin on it so to speak no pun intended but I've always wondered when it comes to an elite level running back I think that you're a perfect example of this you

were always you could tell watching you that you were thinking two steps ahead of the defense like you your reaction time was so much quicker than theirs you would be able to get around you knew where they were going to go you knew how to get around them and all that stuff what is your internal monologue like what are you thinking what does a running back think to themselves when they have the ball in their hands well for me it's really just trying to be focused and trying to be able to react quick because like I said before you know where I've said in previous times you know being the smallest guy on the field but being like the biggest target you understand it okay this this is you're playing against you know Mike Singletary or John Lynch or Ray Lewis

or Lawrence Taylor or Ronnie lot and those guys mean business right and so for me it was really just about being focused you know and really just keyed in to to that specific thing you know that that particular play I would say my biggest fear playing the game was not playing well you know I mean maybe sometimes you you know I get a little bit of a flash of okay yeah the game is dangerous or you can be injured but my biggest fear was just not being able to be great at running the football you know and so and so that's those are some of the things that I was thinking as I'm carrying the ball as I'm practicing as I'm you know running win sprints that kind of thing you know being great being excellent you know I never I never thought I'd be an NFL which a lot of

people if you saw me in high school whatever you would not have said okay there goes a future NFL player so when I got the opportunity to play it was the greatest gift that I could ever imagine so for me it was just about cherishing it and making the most of it and like I said before just being able to be in that setting against all those great players for me was it was just absolutely phenomenal and I just wanted to make the most of it that's interesting because Jerry Rice was saying when he had the ball in his hands he was afraid that's why it was fast because he didn't want to get hit he was afraid to get tackled sometimes with you you were just afraid of not being the best Barry that you could be absolutely I'm plus I don't want to I don't want to admit to

being afraid of you know Mike Singletary and Lawrence Taylor even to this day he ran a 479 or whatever 40-yard dash at the combine but then when you played on the field and pads he was much faster than that right he nobody was chasing him at the combine right what a beautiful player you know just a beautiful player the way he I mean every game he was catching 50 70-yard touchdown passes I had the pleasure of working out with him one summer by the way and that's exactly right if he and I lined up and ran a 40 I would probably finish first you know but but you never saw him get caught from behind right right and the fastest guys on the field are the defensive backs the guys who are chasing him you know but but that's you know I mean he's such a great player in that

aspect where he had serious football game speed did you work out with his horse yeah Pete the horse I didn't have a chance to chase the horse yeah he said it was the best horse in in town and when he caught it growing up yeah okay okay no I caught him when he once he moved to the Bay Area you know when he left Mississippi I don't know no more horses I don't have the horse I don't have you have anything like that though like growing up smaller smaller town there's you know the the world is different now where it's training you know camps and all that stuff did you have anything like an old-school workout that used to do chasing horses catching bricks whatever absolutely absolutely for me for me it was a couple things I live close to Wichita State University so I would go up there

and run around the track or I would run the stadium stairs and hop the stadium stairs which was you want a good workout try hopping the state and sometimes we did one leg but mostly mostly just like a squat hop you go all the way down she had about 80 there's about 80 stadium steps right and so we would we got to the point where we would do that me and my brother and and then there was a couple of my my buddies also had weight sets I didn't have a weight set I'm one of 11 you know that's the last thing my parents are gonna spend money on was weights but one of my my close buddies had a weight set you know that the concrete weights wrapped in plastic you know to start breaking apart after a while you can hear the little concrete inside kind of breaking apart all that's

right before you guys time but they were two of my buddies had weight sets and I would go over their house and just you know pump iron and and after that go run at Wichita State University the cool thing about it was I I got a chance to see like some of the college players that I was familiar with you know sometimes and sometimes even the weight coach at Wichita State would allow me to work out in the in the training room with with the college kids which was a big deal yeah so just so you know so yeah I was I was always you know that was my routine you know just working out and running and playing you know and I was when I wasn't doing that I was playing basketball you know and when I wasn't doing it I was working with my dad my dad was like a rougher so I didn't

I didn't catch bricks but I spent a lot of summers on top of different roofs you know hang you know doing shingles and things like that so so yeah I mean I think some of those things really gave me good focus and good work ethic you know and and I think really helped me in my path can you still dunk well I mean we talked about on 10 foot goal yeah we're all a 10 foot goal you're saying yeah I just want to make sure yeah 12 because 8 foot yeah 12 yeah I'm hoping they move with a goal higher yeah can you but not at the moment no I don't think I could go I know you disappointed I'm sorry man no I feel like you call me maybe 10 years ago maybe what's last time you tried though it's probably been 20 years I feel like right now and we gave you

like a little like an afternoon you'd be like all right here we go that's not true yeah not I have a I have a 15 year old son who plays basketball and so I go up around him a little bit so yeah I've tried to dunk more recent than that or at least try to say well I'll put like this I've tried to touch the rim so if I if you can't touch the rim then you probably can't dunk you can touch the rim though right no no no I can't I can't touch it come on because if you touch the rim you could say that you could dunk was that that's where where my mind would go like if you can touch the right right right raise the rim then you could say yeah maybe on a good day I could tell that you had tried recently a dunk because you said definitively that you couldn't and I know just

from talking to you for the last 15 minutes that you would have an unwavering belief in yourself that you still could dunk if you were unsure like if you had tried it recently exactly so you've got out there you just sized up the basket and you're like no not anymore and then plus you know at this stage you don't want to exert that much energy on those kind of things pop man yeah right pop but once upon a time absolutely yeah absolutely yeah there's video there's video to prove it so Andrew Locke retired this past offseason kind of you know similar not you were similar age where it's like you're tired in your prime everyone was for the most part like hey that's a good move he wants to retire when you retired everyone's like what the fuck is Barry thinking what do you look

at this this time around like man things have changed where guys can retire in their prime and people will be accepting of it yeah I mean things really have changed they've come full circle and I think a lot of it has to do with you know understanding more of the dangers of the game and and certainly you know for Andrew we missing a season or two that he had to you know sort of experience and and what have you but yeah think things have in the last 20 years it's a much different reaction you know and and and because when I did it man it was it was crazy there for a while it was it was very it was I mean oh pretty much all the covers was negative I know I probably could have handled it different just being more honest about it but you wait until like the last

day and you faxed in your retirement to Wichita newspaper right right right yes something like that yeah which you know what a buddy of mine was a writer for that paper so that's kind of that's kind of how that happened and once you're doing the solid to the running back at the time who was it that you basically were like who was running back who took over for you when you retired for the Lions yeah I couldn't even tell you man honestly okay so maybe that story is right I was reading a story was like Barry Sanders is the nicest human being ever and you essentially helped whoever was the running back of the time by retiring late enough in the office or in the preseason that they couldn't go find a replacement gave him a full shot oh so that there's literally

our story that was nice of me yeah Barry Sanders like nice guy ever but I've heard but I've heard on different twists I've just heard people say that maybe because I didn't want to break Walter Pageant's record because at the time I think I would I was second on the list yeah of all-time runners and while to his first man I think he had just recently passed or he no he hadn't passed yeah he hadn't passed yet but he was very sick yeah he was very sick you know and but for me honestly it was just one of those things where you know I understood that it was time to leave I knew that just that drive and determination and that fire that burned for me to be a player and I think also because of the great the ten great years that I had and and sort of how my

career turned out I could walk away in that fashion you know under my own sort of influences and and and that sort of thing and so and so yeah that's that's pretty much what it was you know but it is interesting just to see how different things are now yeah then then back then that gets lost sometime you played for ten years as a running back now that's like an eternity yeah no one would ever say that you're walking away from the game early true it's good play for ten years these days yeah especially if it was on the line it's like Calvin Johnson when he retired everyone was like we understand yeah we get it right right right especially you know and and also the way that game was played you know in the 90s I mean it was a different game in a lot of ways

just how physical it was you know and and maybe even more violent then and it was much more run oriented you know and so and so yeah I mean to play ten years you know that's like probably 20 or 30 years doing something else you want to do some Barry Sanders stats because this is my theory that we talked about with Jerry Rice when he was on that with the explosion of fantasy football in the last 15 years guys are remembered differently in the last 15 years and they were in the previous 15 years because everyone's like oh I had him in my fantasy team he won me a title that year right so I have the idea of we need to get a random Twitter account that just tweets out like this day and Jerry Rice or this day in Barry Sanders history he had this many points so I got a

few games I want to I want to know if you remember first of all just to say it out loud the 1988 season for Oklahoma State you had 2,850 yards 42 touchdowns in 12 games we just in the zone for the entire season oh wow no hey look that was what was your question was a yes I was in the zone the whole entire season the entire season plus plus I had you know fifth year senior offensive Mike Gundy is a quarterback Mike Gundy yes a gentleman the guy on that team coming into that year because no one would have really known who I was but the guy who we knew was going to be a first round was a guy named Harley Dykes yeah receiver just a great team man great team and I was it was just one of those amazing magical years from the very from from the kickoff from

the starting kickoff of that season right which I was still playing special teams when I ran back 100 yards you know and it just got better from there they should wear those jerseys more often by the way you think so yes those are unbelievable those Oklahoma State alright so Barry Sanders this week in fantasy week 13 1991 against the Vikings do you remember your stat line do you remember anything about that game what year week 13 1991 oh yeah well I remember it was a really good game in Minnesota yes 220 yards four touchdowns on 23 carries that was that was probably one of the few games ever that I played where it felt almost easy because it never it never felt easy it always felt like I was working or grinding but that game it felt like they never even saw

me coming and it was the week after one of our players had a one of my teammates had been injured very seriously Mike my guttley had a serious neck injury and that following week we go to the Metro Dome and of course Mike was paralyzed at home against the Rams but it was just one of those eye-opening experiences you know but anyway the Minnesota game followed that and and yes it was it was one of the easiest games I ever played in seemed easy 220 yards what 23 carries 23 carries 220 yards four touchdowns yeah in the zone that's a lot of points week 6 1995 against Cleveland do you remember that game not really you had 18 rushes 157 yards so that's 8.7 yards per carry and three touchdowns decent game in the zone you're asking me yeah yeah I wasn't yeah I mean

some of these games are like especially in that era of football when offense wasn't like it is now you had week 7 against Tampa in 97 you had 215 yards and two touchdowns if someone had you on their fantasy team that week they'd be like Barry Sanders the greatest of all time so that's what we need to do is just retroactively get back and get those fantasy stats for you I do run into guys who who they say well you definitely want me a lot of money or you lost me a lot of money yeah yeah yeah yeah so so I do I do hear that occasionally but but no I think what you're saying yeah that I'm down with that yeah okay did it feel easy to you when you're in college and I think you had a couple games where you had what 300 yards rushing something like that 302 yards

305 something like that at is your senior senior season Oklahoma it didn't it didn't feel it didn't really feel easy I mean I was I mean that was my junior year that was my first year starting I was trying to I was trying to prove myself you know it was to me the greatest thing in the world was being a starting running back in the big eight conference you know I had grown up watching big eight football now it's obviously the big 12 but I had grown up watching big eight football and and I wasn't heavily recruited but I do remember just having that thought in high school that man it'd be nice to go to college and play college football and so fast forward to sitting behind Thurman for two years and to me again those are great years for me because not heavily recruited to

okay now I'm here I'm at Oklahoma State right I'm in I'm in the big eight I'm I played a little bit as a freshman I made all-american as a kick returner as a junior and so I feel like I'm just almost really living my dream right and then and then my junior year happens and I was hey I'm I was as surprised as anyone right I was as surprised as anyone we surprised how heavy the Heisman trophy was I was surprised yes I was surprised absolutely it must be like made of you know gold or something like that it's crazy but no it is yeah yeah it is alright last question we're with Barry Sanders Hall of Famer Rocket Mortgage Squares dot com go check it out right now for the Super Bowl $50,000 for every score change $500,000 at halftime $500,000 at the end of the game

they're giving away money I'll be free to sign up it's free to sign up so thank you for spending time with us my last question I don't know if you do this intentionally but I always wondered this you're not a big smiler you don't really like smiling in pictures no is that no are you right you're right yeah I like I'm a tough guy man I like it no I'm a tough guy because it'll be like everyone will be smiling and Barry's just sitting there like spending 20 minutes here with you you obviously do like to laugh and smile but for some reason the pictures always crack me up because it's like smile smile smile Barry gonna steal your soul smile smile smile I have to do better with that you're right no you act like you've had your picture taken before right right

yes yeah it's not like those photos from like the 1900s yeah you know like no one's smiling you know it's just like serious you know it's like they hadn't even invented smiling yet well yeah yeah yeah people are like 17 and they're in their old age and they're about to die maybe like the thing about what's to come yeah I'm 17 years old and I've been working in in a mill for the last 16 years you do have a great laugh so I feel like comedians should just pay you to go to shows and sit in the front row that might be the nicest thing you said all day man that's fucking great laugh we're gonna use your laugh as the laugh track to our show so that people think that we're funnier than we are yes we make it feel free man okay perfect all right well thank

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now Darius Leonard now for something completely different okay we now welcome on a very special guest it is Indianapolis Colts linebacker pro bowler Darius Leonard thank you for coming by as I appreciate it we have to start because I see you're wearing a Clemson hat now we're sitting here in New Orleans we're getting ready for the national championship your brother went to Clemson but you didn't get except you didn't get recruited by Clemson and I thought that was like a piece a little chip on your shoulder that you've used to drive you to be great in the NFL but now you're rooting for Clemson um well um like you said my brother went to Clemson uh grew up watching Clemson uh Clemson did recruit me um that just then uh it was partially my fault

because I it came after my very last test score to qualify and it came two weeks after Saturday uh they said they had no more scholarships left so you know I went to South Carolina State um played there still was a Clemson fan I mean that was homegrown so I still had the love for Clemson um and uh it's okay that's a fair that's a fair answer I did in the state yeah you you you strike me as in reading everything about you you strike me as uh there's kind of been an underdog story to your career and people doubting you and I thought maybe you were like holding on to the doubt like pull up you know every day that you didn't you didn't go to Clemson I'm just gonna make me stronger and stronger but you're being you're being a nice brother and being like I'll

root for Clemson today um yeah I mean I did use that as a tip of my shoulder not being able to play uh play with Clemson um but you know um you know just growing up being being in Clemson I mean I started rooting for them so I was maybe seven eight years old so I mean that's that's all I knew I mean it was love Clemson hate hate South Carolina and that's what I mean I still to this day is the same exact thing and uh you know cheering for Clemson and just cheering for South Carolina State I guess so if uh University of South Carolina was in the national championship that's a funny thing to imagine will must champ coaching in a game but just like in a bizarro world if he was here right now you would not be rooting you'd be rooting against yeah

or you were rooting against South Carolina yeah without a doubt okay I like that chain by the way I like both what does it say it says well for the three the other one is uh first round management first round management yes sir what is that that's my um my agent agency so okay get from him oh it's a gift that's kind of bullshit though they put their own name on the gift like we actually we actually get like similar things or it's just like a week I got think I got a mug and a tote bag kind of like the chain yeah man I guess is I mean it's cool I mean they have a I mean they have something nice but then you know they gotta support a brand they gotta have to say that you should get money for advertising yeah that do sound good now if you join our

agency yeah the PMT agency yeah we're gonna give you a free PMT tattoo on your forehead right so that's on that join us we'll make sure that you get compensated for everything including free publicity for your agency will you take our offer I think about it okay that's not a no that was not enough that was officially not enough to be fair though it is a nice change I would I was probably where yeah if somebody gave me that chain yes even if I had no idea what was FRM I would show that big cat sucks and if it looked like that I'd wear it every day absolutely I don't care absolutely you were in the NFL's top 100 list this year did you pay attention to that when I was coming out were you like were you watching to make sure that you were gonna be on that list

of course I mean you know playing a game you know you want to be the best so you know being in the top 100 you know that's something that you want to check off on your list just being a professional football player so you know I was I'm a competitor I wanted to compete so I definitely want to make that list what so you do you still have the headline the Bleacher report headline on your phone I do can see it yeah I got you so for people who don't know this is why I thought you were a chip on shoulder guy because this is the ultimate chip on a shoulder move Bleacher report after Darius Leonard was drafted had a headline that said Darius Leonard worst pick in the draft oh wow and he keeps it as a photo in his phone so that you can pull it up

every now and then and be like yeah remember these idiots I actually I'm pretty sure that I said it was a fantastic pick at the time because I'm a noted draft Nick for the Indianapolis Colts yeah we do six round mock drafts every year I had we actually had you going yeah we had you going in the first round to Indy yeah so you have this so you pull it up like every now and then just look at it yeah I do they also had when Russell Wilson got drafted they gave that an F yeah it's that's tough wasted a third round pick on Russell Wilson I think they need to lose their credibility I don't know who's taking over there yeah we've just snatched it that's credibility gone so you still use that kind of stuff to motivate you even though you're already I mean you're a pro bowler you've

made top 100 all that stuff has happened how do you stay like you know motivated you know I love seeing negative comments so I mean I do plenty of times I go to Twitter I type in my name and I just see like all the negative things that people say I like them you know just use that as motivation because I mean with success you know that sometimes you can be complacent so someone still talking trash or saying you can't do something y'all just kind of use that as motivation as well we got to start typing it yeah just having you search us after games do you have oh there it is we should report Darius Leonard to Colts one of drafts worst picks Kevin Hickey April 30th 2018 one idiot bad take what an idiot awful take I love it I love that so you actually you go

sure if you hold that you name search yourself after every game I do just to see what people are saying yep and if it's too much positive stuff do you get a little bit upset because you're like hey there's no there's no motivational fuel for me here um no I mean there's like at these game and you know especially after a loss you know you that's when the thing is get the point and so you know you definitely go there and see all right who what's been said so I mean I use all that to say okay well I need to go do this right here or I'm go prove this guy wrong like I had some guy say that uh I was I was bad in coverage this year um that I wasn't a good run stopper but I was like that's pretty crazy with over a hundred tackles yeah do you uh do name search for misspellings of

your name too because usually the dumbest stuff is written by people that won't be able to spell your name right yeah that is a true statement I know I never I never did that one time I said uh levion bell were like levion smell and he found it and he liked it he searched for an alternate spelling of his own name so he does like four different combinations of letters and he just gets all his motivation from Twitter that way yeah that's that's pretty dope I definitely do something well I just type my name in and try to see all all the bad comments that I can take and use use this fuel so would that be frustrating like in practice I know that you know when you played with Andrew Luck he's famous for complimenting guys after they hit him have you obviously

you weren't allowed to sack Andrew in practice he had a big red jersey on or whatever um but did you ever make a play against him and then he gave you a big compliment you're like man I wish you would be meaner um well um my first time actually practicing in India I picked him off and I just came up to him and said hey great play and it was it was pretty weird coming you know I was a rookie and you know it was his first time being back on the field so it was definitely kind of kind of weird kind of getting that compliment from him all right I got one oh oh Darius Linnard so no oh in there Darius oh Darius Linnard want a howl I liked him but now he's a bitch simple should I retweet it you gotta search all these dude you're not doing your job that is funny that was after

the Dallas game yeah probably so many like Dallas fans after after that game oh cuz you howl so yeah it was it was definitely after that game and they they didn't they didn't like that so yeah you did the the late in Vanderesh yeah I mean man how I gotta say man you have a lot more fans than you do haters it's hard you got a lot of people who love you saying you're a beast and all this stuff so I don't know I think I think you're doing okay like there's not a lot of there's not a lot of people who were hating you I mean that one that one comment though was pretty bad that's like that's worth ten positive comments because the hard beat and then and then he drops simple at the end it says saying just like period he said bitch simple like it's over it's a wrap it's just

that's funny that's funny all right so we got to start searching everyone else is we gonna search misspellings as well what's your burner accounts name I'm gonna follow it right now I don't have a burner yeah I don't I don't I mean you look and then you know I just I was only up I probably respond maybe one time two so one but I never I usually never do I just I just like I'm gonna keep it going we but then okay so this tweet that I found the Darius Lennard I have a reply here and it's from at Clemson shouldn't have passed on me one two three and it says Darius is a beast shut your mouth that's not you not a definitely interesting interesting how did you get the nickname maniac it was after the Clemson game I my junior year in college ended with 19

tackles came back on campus and they may play like a straight maniac and kind of just went with it and ran with it that's too many tackles that's too many tackles at some point aren't you like this hurts me too no you don't feel it till maybe the next day so yeah at that moment you just you know you want to rack up on everything you can did I see you wearing a full like shoulder pads and helmet this year watching the game on your couch I had a helmet on right I didn't have to you weren't wearing a shoulder pad okay what was the thought process you hadn't put on the helmet I was in concussion protocol and I I couldn't go to the couldn't go to the stadium and you know you know just it's kind of just being at home away from the guys and you know I just wanted to do

something kind of uplift my spirit a little bit so I threw the helmet on through the jersey on yeah like I was there plus it's extra safe for your head if you're wearing a helmet I like it was like my safety gear yeah yeah do you like the dome open or closed close okay do you have alerts set up for when Jim Ursay tweets the roof will be open on Thursdays um he only he don't tell us until Sunday so we already there so we really don't know so usually when they get cold that's when like everybody come in and the first thing we say is the roof open maybe like well he didn't announce it yet so we just be waiting for that's his favorite part of the job I think is getting to announce what the roof is going to be doing on Sunday yeah I just I

mean I just hope it stay close forever yeah yeah but wait that makes you guys soft don't you think no what are you talking about you gotta play out in the winter he did not like I mean we I mean when you if you got a dome why not just playing your dome you mean yeah all right that's a good counterpoint I mean the point is to have a dome if you're not going to like no keep it fair that's a fair counterpoint I understand that I saw when big cat said the words soft to you that you actually had a reaction you don't like you don't like hearing that word Darius lennard is soft simple I'm not I didn't mean when I said you're soft I don't mean that just want to have that out there 19 tackles that's a maniac thing what was the score in that game a lot

still 19 tackles expected to beat Clemson that is that's true who's it there was that to Sean no yeah that was um that was a year that was a year they won the first time that's what a second that's championship 19 tackles against that team that's crazy they had some good running backs on that team too yeah they did they had a Wayne Gaumann who's the who's the hardest player in the NFL hardest player in the field to tackle from the running back position I say Zeke he runs behind his back as well so he also wears that like mid-drift shirt so you don't want to like touch his stomach it's kind of weird because like he's basically playing naked so you don't want to wrap him up I understand that what about what about Derek Henry so let's play game it's how to solve Derek Henry

because he's big and he's fast and no one knows how to tackle how would you tackle oh man well you got a game tackle he does it's very rare to see one person tackle Derek Henry I mean he's I say he's a DN playing running back he's a monster he's fast strong you got a nasty still form so you can't go in there lacking so I mean it's just hard I mean you better hold on you better hit him first and wait for your other teammates to get there because you know about do it yourself mm-hmm well must-champ it won't surprise you hear this will must-champ recruited him but only wanted to play linebacker said you're just gonna I don't think that you can be a successful running back in college is what will must-champ said somebody goes with soccer a lot yeah yeah that's exactly you're

not surprised yeah what was the what was the locker room like after Andrew lock came because that was a weird how it all went down because it leaked while you guys were actually playing the preseason game against the Bears mm-hmm and then he does the press conference what had you guys have any idea that was coming no um we was a stand on the sideline and then we had a fan I mean just was screaming behind us Andrew don't leave Andrew we love you then we had somebody custom out so then everybody was like what's going on would you get traded or something and they were like Andrew retired so it was like you know there's there's no way he retired and you know just talking about the sideline then we know finally was true and then kind of went to the locker room kind of went

from there damn that's wild it's just it's what it's also one of those stories it's crazy now because it feels like we're at the end of the season and it feels like 10 years ago that that happened I don't know if it feels like that for the Colts locker me seems like you guys moved on pretty quickly um yeah well you know we respect his decision you know just seeing all the things he's been through and all the stuff he's done for for the Colts and when he said he was done I mean you know took my hat to him and he had a great run and we felt like Jacoby stepped in we trusted Jacoby came in and did everything he had did everything he had to do so we just stood behind him and went from there yeah he played pretty well this year too I know he was dealing with

some injuries and stuff as the season went on but I actually think that Jacoby per second be a pretty good like a top 15 started quarterback when he's healthy and I think you guys were like on the right track to get to the playoffs so but at some point I forget what was um you went on like a little losing streak in the middle of the season yeah that's terrible what was the game that kicked that all off um was it Pittsburgh no we after we lost to Houston that's right yeah yeah lost to Houston and then it kind of kind of went from there it's snowball so how do you do that like I know you've you know only been the league a short time but in your experience if things start to snowball and you know one bad thing stacks on another what's what's the best way to stop that to

like regain the locker room is it like a player's only meeting we're big fans of the players only meeting yeah close the doors yeah I mean yeah of course we had a player's only meeting but you know that I mean that only goes so far I mean you definitely got to go out and see what's what's going wrong and you know you can't go out and just try to fix everything at once you got to figure out step by step what what are we gonna get better at and kind of go from there all right so my last question we're with Darius Leonard pro bowler uh Indianapolis Colts it's a Seeky question promo code take put it in get $10 off we want to go to a Colts game next year maybe they'll have the dome closed promo code take $10 off you versus Quinton Nelson who wins in a fight in a fight yeah

well me yes yeah so yeah okay nice I'm gonna compare that you guys are for me yeah I mean you guys are gonna be linked forever cuz same draft class pro bowlers both beasts but you can take them yeah I could take them that's the maniac in you because I don't I don't believe you he is a lot bigger than well actually no he's not that much bigger than you yeah he's like yeah yeah yeah he's a lot bigger than you but that's the maniac in you I love it I love it I love it that's saying it's not the size of a dog that's in the fight but size of the fight is in the dog yes there it is there it is and you're also a big dog too but yeah put this on though you want to fight Quinton Nelson so I didn't say that oh man all right well thanks dude this was awesome appreciate it we're

gonna start searching the mentions for you we'll only misspellings yeah yeah we'll get you handle your regular name we'll handle all the alternatives yes all right cool just make sure you get them I can see it we'll get it we got you back now yes I appreciate it it's part of our service it only costs you $20,000 a year and we will search and get them and I've got the appointment schedule for your tattoo next week and you have the appointment to drop off the cash tomorrow okay I'll be here tomorrow that interview Darius Leonard was brought to you by the barstool store the weather is getting colder winter is officially here from the perfect game day outfit to the only sweatshirt you're ever gonna wear this winter the barstool sports store has your winter

gear covered go to store.barstoolsports.com shop now we've got brand new sweatshirts in there Hank was saying they're the most comfortable sweatshirts we've ever put out a lot of LSU stuff too a lot LSU stuff we've got Coachola t-shirts in there a lot of good stuff check it out store.barstoolsports.com to shop Joe Baro shirts yep yes yes all right let's do some segments also one thing that Hank and I observed we were staying in in New Orleans for a few hours after you you left out and Hank actually made like $400 at the casino I know oh bring your chips back I want to give me my money oh shit sorry Hank I don't have my wallet on me right now yeah the the heroes in in New Orleans has a really bad cash out line snitched on Hank well he has anti-snitching podcast but

we have a really I actually would have forgotten forever I would have given it to you yeah but terrible cash out line so I just walked out on Sunday night with my money with my chips and then of course like right as we're about to get on the plane like oh well this sucks yeah so we go back there we gave me you you had 700 chips and you said I'll give you 200 if you cash this took the 200 put it all in black hit it first time ever that's ever happened to me that was huge are you going to now give me the 700 no wow no he used that I mean one with my money and then you're are you about to the blackjack story okay yeah then we sat down at the blackjack table was unbelievable I was waiting for Hank because Hank had forgotten his ID to bring to

the casino so while I was waiting for him there is he was taking Uber back to the hotel I was playing blackjack I proceeded to lose $200 immediately so Hank you owe me 200 bucks and then Hank got back to the casino sat down next to me at the blackjack table gave me $200 50 now give you 50 oh yeah sorry you gave me 50 bucks I ended up with $200 Hank how much did you like triple your money yeah I mean I walked in with $0 walked out with like 400 yes that's pretty good hell yeah I had five hands going at one time because I split eights five different ways hell he's amazing but one thing we noticed walking around New Orleans the day after the game there are a ton of awesome spin zones going on by Clemson fans walking around town they

were all wearing their like 2018 national championship they beat Duke that night yeah that sucks for Duke it is not yet show this year it's incredible it was so strong though just wearing like really nice golf shirts that have like Clemson versus Alabama on them right it's like we get where you're going you do yeah we understand we understand what you're doing here alright firefest Hank why don't you start I don't really have a firefest my firefest was was like Tuesday night Wednesday night we talked about it on the show on Wednesday though just like traveling and then like having to finish that video like on no sleep and just super hung over that was miserable but now that I'm back in New York City I'm back with you guys I got

some sleep I feel like I'm on top of the world I feel happy so there's no firefest this week for me oh yeah my firefest of the week is I'm still hung over yeah so I am my firefest is essentially I'm 35 whoa dude don't do that I'm saying my liver don't do that right now don't do that it's a hangover that has now lasted three days I'm I'm just starting now to feel like a normal person so I feel like I might do dry January for night until we get to Miami well like a week and a half we can I did the thing where I had so much fun on Sunday and Monday night I was like man I need to just start like going out more like that was fun I forgot how much fun it was and then Tuesday Wednesday and Thursday hitting

I was like oh yeah fuck that yep I was never doing that again I was getting the sweats I was panicking inside I was I I was just so anxious the entire there's no more of a I'm never drinking again moment then waking up on Wednesday and like finding yourself in an NCAA investigation and being on a football field having to kick your goals that's like these are bad places that I've gotten myself into that's pretty bad so I'm never drinking again until we get to Miami for the Super Bowl yeah it was it was a good time though all right my firefest is I have two of them actually one is Hank do you remember this you probably to to Piaf you were a couple sections away from us on Monday night there was an

SEC chant and I didn't fucking get video after LSU one there wasn't do you remember that thing no fuck there was an SEC chant they were chaining SEC SEC it's pretty much maybe everything I've been saying forever and I didn't capture it they were probably just calling the security exchange commission on Odell Beckham handing out illegal cash going all right my other firefesses I'm chasing another high chasing a big time high I was at the airport and a secret service member came up to me it was like hey big cat huge fan listen all the time the podcast can I get a picture I was like yeah for sure he handed me this pin this Liam was there he handed me a pin that was like a special secret service pin

mm-hmm and so I took it and I was like this is awesome you're being monitored hold on I then was sitting down and I struck up a conversation with the with the Clemson fan and his young son like maybe eight years old and I felt kind of bad so after I as I was leaving I was like hey kid secret service hand him the pen and he looked at me like holy shit this guy's such a badass that was your there's your mean Joe Green moment so I'm I'm now yeah you throw the pen at the kid sticks in his eye I'm chasing the high of having little kids think I'm a secret service member well what you actually did was you put that child under surveillance because that that secret service member was definitely trying

to get some intel on you shout out the guy though if he if he's listening to this right now I'm sorry but I had to it was a moment that I could not pass up having a little kid think that I'm a secret service member yeah and being like look at this so you stole Valor from the secret well is it so Valor if he gave it to me well if the kid was under the impression that you were indeed in the secret I didn't say one thing or I said hey kid have this there you have this pin it's up to you it's up to the kid what he thinks about right you didn't I say hey man just got back from you know just know just walking the president around the Superdome why don't you have this pin no I said hey kid have this

pin just know that the NSA now has eyes on that and I think I heard him whisper as I was like daddy there goes that hero and I look back and I winked and it was that was kind of creepy but you know who the real heroes are your father and the police and paramedics first responders and teachers responders Marlon's man you know that you know that we haven't talked about that by the way Marlon's man is definitely going to play a big part of Super World Week I don't want him to think he's going to be around no we should do he's going to treat it like it is he he's probably hosting Super Bowl yeah he is hosting Super Bowl we should we should go see the cats god damn it Hank why did you say that the cats are

incredible definitely go see the cats we should also flood the street with Marlon's men just like bring a shitload of orange jerseys and visors to hand out Hank you got them walking all right we got to go see the cats we have to go see the cats god damn it those cats are so fucking big all right next up we have this league our guy Brooks Kepka just dunking on Bryson D Shambo because Bryson D Shambo said that Brooks doesn't have a six pack or isn't like ripped like I have a six pack and Brooks then tweeted a picture saying yeah I have I have two was it four shy of a six pack and it was just two huge trophies two cups shy of a six pack and it was four majors was it no oh yeah it was four majors

yeah it was two big trophies and the other two were majors as well so fuck you Bryson D Shambo yeah fuck you Bryson D Shambley well yeah I thought it was they're the same person they carry the same energy they're both anti Brooks guys yeah shout out Brooks Kepka who's a friend of the program for keeping it very easy for us to know who your enemies are and who we need to dunk they all have a lot of C's, H's, B's, D'shambla's and somewhere around there yeah if I see a D'shambla I'm fucking dunking on them they've got all the worst consonants in their names yeah Brooks keeps it simple Brooks yeah he's just he maybe has like a phobia maybe that's an unknown phobia he way just starts fights with people

whose names I'm like vaguely French yeah sham I like I'm not opposed to that yeah easy opponents either way Brooks won that one fair and square easily you can't chirp Brooks about his body if he dominates you in golf idiot count the rings bitch yeah do you get a ring in golf you should we should make him some we should make him some yeah make him rings for everyone we'll make you next time Brooks comes on let's have four rings ready to go he could just take a picture with one finger through each like strap of the trophies like hold them up you ever seen like a waitress during October fest carry 20 beers on each hand yep he could probably have all four trophies on one hand just take one selfie also Brooks

is looking pretty jack because he just had you know he had knee surgery right he's ready to go well also who cares if he doesn't have a six pack on his abs he's a he's a bull to try hard move yeah it's a try hard move you have to diet for that he could if he wanted to stop didn't want you have to stop eating protein sometimes because you're trying to cut weight Brooks is trying to add mass right and if he does that then we got the other fucking asshole the shambler shambly Trambliss right and he's like Brooks is too skinny so you decide guys also can't win also well he can win he wins four times there you body shame yeah so how is this any different than Jillian Michaels or whoever it was telling me telling

Lizzo point that one day you're gonna get diabetes making fun of Brooks's stomach yeah that's absolutely true it's really just sad that we live in this day and age I think Brooks his body is great whether he's got a six pack or a 12 pack or a zero pack you know what I like I like Brooks his personality and his brain and his golf game when issues times a year size 12 Brooks you never send me any he always flexes with his shoes and then I just reply on Instagram and his new logo size 12 is done his new logo is much better much better yeah way better than the one before which is not saying much because the one before was the worst logo of all time so what a try hard this to shambler is because he's rock

shambler he's the guy that wears the scally cap oh gee that's him yeah that should be retired with pains to get out of here look get out of here that guy stinks I hate him we're gonna just eventually just hate everyone on the PGA tour except Brooks and I'm totally fine with that that's actually a great spot to be in all right last up before we get to FAQs there's a fight this weekend that's all I got who do you got Conor Cowboy I'm gonna go with Connor this is the I must wonder can't lose from a Gregor I don't know if I don't know if it's because of McGregor's all the shit that he's done and he's not really a great guy has he hasn't been able to like do a lot of interviews it feels like there's no hype for this fight and

it's weird because if Conor McGregor loses fight he's done if you lose this fight he's done but if he wins this fight cuts an electric he's back he's back so it's a must but then Mazvedal who I think we're team Mazvedal will kick the fuck out of Conor McGregor definitely I don't know you guys gonna go to Mazvedal he'll he won't you want to go to Shadow Realm no but I'll put you in the fucking shadow right he already hates me so why should I be rooting for him if he already thinks I'm a bad guy well because you want to get out of the shadow one double down I think so yeah might as well you guys you guys you guys you guys sured me so I might as well ride with McGregor but if you come out of the shadow realm you come out a better person I like

McGregor okay let's do FAQs let's finish up with FAQs alright so this FAQ this is a PFT XFL centric FAQ but before we get to those questions this is just a question AWL sent there are 328 million people in the United States but only 98 million watched the Super Bowl how are there people that aren't watching the Super Bowl I hope you guys can get to the bottom of this people that don't watch Super Bowl they're liars a lot of people are just liars they go to parties ooh there's a way that they judge that I don't believe that they do it correctly but they claim they can account for people in bars and at parties got it but that's bullshit yeah I think there's there's some people who probably forget that the Super Bowl is on I don't know yeah that's so

weird to think like I you know what call out to AWLs let's find a person who has never watched a Super Bowl I want to interview them in February I want to ask them what's going on like what's in your brain you've never watched I want to find someone who's never watched a Super Bowl you know what I've never been asked if I watch the Super Bowl so how accurate can this poll be no but I'm sure someone knows someone who's like yeah they've never watched Super Bowl yeah but what I'm saying is like I don't have to work oh I agree with you we should do that yeah but I'm saying I don't trust this polls numbers because nobody has ever personally asked me like hey did you watch Super Bowl right so I'm not part of the statistic are you no no I don't have a

Nielsen box how do you know because you know they tell you the only other question non-x fel question is what about cruise all-time favorite video games mmm all time country was awesome Golden Eye and NBA Jam all right party to NBA Jam Halo 3 Madden NHL you were big NHL guy NHL 11 yeah that's how I learned the rules of hockey what was the Call of Duty Call of Duty the World War 2 when it's World War 2 I love Call of Duty Grand Theft Auto and Vice City Grand Theft Auto why can't I think of the name of the video game where they just race around Mario Mario Kart cruise USA was awesome it's pretty good Mario Kart Mario Kart big-time Mario Kart guy fuck how oh and cool boarders shout out cool boarders hell yeah about paperboard you ever play that yeah

yeah so the rest of the questions are about PFT's battle for the hardest game ever which we haven't talked about on the show but PFT how would you say your review of your trial went I'd say went good not great so there's a window there's a window that I can make the team and I've got maybe a little ace in the hole that I can bring out to tell coach about but Pep was there while I kicked he told me you did a good job you surprised me I'm getting that a lot actually from people that were there like oh that's the worst like I'm shocked that you were not totally incompetent but taller than I thought he would be nobody's literally no one said that oh because everyone else on the team was huge yeah there was a couple it was not okay first things first big I know

it's big cat very helpfully retweeted yeah the one picture of the punter slash holder tap me on my head and so I deleted it you click the wrong button you actually click the retweet button on it but that was a bad issue for me because the punter slash holder slash other kicker on the team he's like six foot four and a half so when he stands up after a kick it makes me look pretty bad you look good I mean your goggles are so goddamn funny and you're that one picture was iconic so even if it doesn't lead to you making a team I feel like the the pictures and the video are worth it yeah we'll be putting the video out early next week but overall I'd say it well that you find out on on Thursday mr. 35 mr. 35 yards I'll say that I did not as good as I could

have but I didn't do as bad as I was fearing that I was okay that's a win you'll have to see that's a win full video next week pft who do you think is more likely to kick a 35 yard field goal hank or big cat it's a good question I feel like we could start at 35 and it would take us until like the 20 for one of us to hit one I would either make the first one or miss like 20 in a row and I would have a chance I would tow it so whatever yeah so if you if you tow it you have a pretty good chance I'd probably tow it too yeah I'd say that you guys would you guys would both make them on their first time you'd suck um sup boys especially future hallfamer pft if your coach calls a fake field goal and you successfully convert what would be your go to

celebration the dougie no one dougie's anymore remember that yeah if you got blown up I'm not listen it wasn't me who said this it was someone who we work with ron ron said it'd be very funny if I got killed said he wants paralyzed yeah I said that like nine second oh oh man that was almost really hilarious that was over and broke again I didn't say you I wanted you paralyzed I said I wanted you big catches broke a chair I wanted that is not break a hot seat slim cat I wanted real broke off you broke the wheel off the chair just came off fucking off as a shit upbeat it's unbroken listen if I if I scramble for a first down get lit up and hold on to the ball my celebration just be looking around for David Baker from the whole thing to immediately

induct me I did not I do not want you to get paralyzed I said that on the record I said it would be funny though if you got stretched off and could give the thumbs up I would do thumbs down just maybe a dab and then break your neck why don't kickers why don't kickers just juggle the football like a soccer player till you get closer to the field goal does this person not know how there's a defense on the field which you put you could kick it up run around catch it and then if you had the world's now I think once you kick it you can't advance it right the kicking team is not you can just kick it from like it's not rugby you can't kick it from pastel on it maybe if it's like if it doesn't hit the ground type

situation no I don't think that you can catch it it's not a pun so it I guess it might you kick it you catch it with your your foot like you juggle it like a soccer ball I don't think you can double kick Axel fell to change that rule that double kicks are allowed what what is usually said in the studio immediately after PFT says love you guys the microphones go off in the episode ends question mark he says not sometimes I say that no I can't usually I'll say that good show or what are we doing for dinner or fuck I can't believe I lost this we actually just don't say the sec we only talk when yeah we never talk we're like Mike and Mike at the end no Mike yeah Mike Mike at the end by the way are we are

we now the new Mike and Mike because I'm a professional athlete yes just some nerd from Chicago yeah that's it there it is I although I'm a professional athlete too how because I got a contract for a minor league baseball team I got I played in a basketball tournament where people got paid so I've been a pro athlete professional football and also I'm a pro professional eater so I've been in the professional arena I'm happy you've joined well professional football players a little bit different yeah no no that's true football guy now you're a football guy I'm a two sport athlete that's right I'm a three sport athlete I'm Deon alright last question hey guys I was wondering could PFT out kick Jay Feeley now if they were both

wearing suits and reporting on the sideline and immediately got called in to start kicking field goals definitely yes absolutely Jay Feeley is a fucking loser he needs his two little weird gloves to be able to kick I don't need that shit yeah he doesn't play video games he plays real life yeah I kick raw dog no no glove no love you'd fuck Jay Feeley up I absolutely would that's and consider that a challenge yes this is me absolutely saying it to Jay Feeley's face right and if Jay Feeley you somehow do beat PFT which is not going to happen disavow it immediately becomes a fistfight yeah then it then goes to that so let me let me say I think that there is actually like a 50% chance that I

do get an XFL contract that I am signed to the XFL I'm going to find out on Wednesday night and be able to report on Thursday morning what happened let me just say I'm going to donate my entire salary to charity nice if I am signed I'm donating what charity the children's hospital a children's hospital I'm going to donate to a children can we the one in Iowa we can find it we can find a good children's hospital donate to so balls in your court XFL if you want money to go to a children's hospital wow I think it's pretty clear what needs to be done here I like that I like that I'll I'll match how much are you painting I don't know I'll match PFT's donation up to $50 to the children's hospital that's

very so now it's look at that we got a matching program Hank you know match yes and I'll give big cat $450 oh should your winnings go to the show I won't make you do that I mean should his winnings let's not get out I don't have one anymore but the point remains we are donating as a podcast we are donating my entire salary yes to the children's hospital right one which one the one I don't want to know whether they waived to that way that way we can you can live on forever when they waived to what you're like well you know who the real hero is I'm not going to mark I'm not I will let other people oh you know what we should he'll match if I match if I do make the XFL we should pay for Marlins man to go to every game and sit

directly pay okay sit directly in the middle of the uprights he be on TV yeah oh yeah no we're not to pay I'm gonna aim for him for Marlins man in the stands yes that is my guiding beacon he should hold a big hit it here PFT I think he'll stand out and it's no but it's hit here hit it here PFT and it's his face through the sign and that way I'll know where he's sitting and make sure that my mom is on the opposite side if you hit Marlins man directly in the face with a field bullet XFL game I will donate a thousand dollars to Iowa children now we're getting up there now we're doing it now we're doing it 35 yards yes saving lives also there's a little fine print there you'll find out on Monday's show

with one thousand love you guys not not again