Pardon My Take - Bill Burr, Arian Foster, And Space

Episode Date: June 1, 2020

We celebrate the beginning of June which means absolutely nothing. (2:30-15:10) Who’s back of the week including Anonymous and Space. (15:11-27:44) Bill Burr joins the show to talk about his new movie King of Staten Island, life without sports and more. (29:34-1:09:20) Arian Foster joins the show to talk about the last week in current events, race in America, how we can all make small changes for the better good, and why white privilege isn’t a bad thing but something that needs to be acknowledged. (1:11:46-2:08:34) We finish with a deep dive on Bonobo monkeys with Billy Football (2:10:50-2:28:16)You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

Hey, pardon my take listeners. You can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. On today's pardon my take, we have Bill Burr. Great interview with Bill Burr. We talk about his new movie, King of Staten Island. Catch up with him about a sports-less world.

Always great to talk to Bill Burr. We also have our good friend Arian Foster talking about real issues. What has happened in America in the past week. So if you don't want to have your pardon my take, get real. You can skip it. We have no offense to us, but we think it was an awesome conversation that might expand your worldview.

Billy Football, that's the opposite. He, well, no, he expanded our worldview with some. Oh, yeah. The Nobo's Monkey Talk. Listen, you're going to learn a lot of stuff about a lot of stuff in this in the course of this podcast. And we got Who's Back of the Week. So we got a packed Monday show for you.

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We made it. We made it to June. Remember the coronavirus? We sleep in June. Do you remember the coronavirus? It feels like it was three months ago. Remember Tiger King? Remember, dude, Tiger King.

That was legitimately. I think the idea that Tiger King Halloween costumes were going to be all the rage is that ship has sailed. Tiger King feels like it was 10 years ago. What do you think is taking Tiger King away from Halloween costumes? Outer Banks, John B. No, we're not.

This is not going to become an Outer Banks podcast. I finished the episode. I finished the season. We're not doing this again. I can't wait for season two. We're not doing this. They left it. They left it wide open.

But yeah, Tiger King is did they put a question mark at the end? They left it wide open for season two, baby. That's such a great feed of cinematic moviemaking is when they put a question mark after the end. Yeah, it's like records. I hope there's 15 seasons of this stupid fucking show. Yeah, but we made it.

It's June. I don't know what we made every month. March 91st. No, every new month, though, does feel like an accomplishment because we're basically getting through the calendar is a fucking slog. It's not like, you know, we're looking forward to anything. You know, when you're usually sitting there like, oh, I can't

wait for this, this and this. And you just get excited. There is nothing to look forward to. Zero things. Think about this spring as a conditioning test for your brain. Yeah, this is a challenge for all of us. OK, like we're in wind sprint number probably 40 out of 55. I've had my hands on my head.

Yeah, no, no, no, I know. I know your hands on your knees. I know I'm with more gas. That was such a mind fuck when that came out when they said that it doesn't make a difference if you're tired to put your hands on your head as opposed to knees. I still believe if you have your hands on your knees, it's a sign of weakness and I will exploit you.

I also don't buy any of. I'll call it. I'll clarify it because I know science is very important right now when we actually are fighting the coronavirus. So I'll clarify it as business insider video science. That's what the science that I'm talking about. Whenever that science comes out, I call bullshit. The science that basically says, you know how every like six months,

they'll say studies show that people who drink six cups of coffee a day live to 100 plus studies show red meats actually not bad for you. And then six months go past that. They're like studies show people who eat too much red meat die at 40 from heart conditions. Well, it goes back to the headline writers trying to get as much engagement on their tweets as possible. So business insiders, the king of doing something like studies show

that if you drink a pint of whiskey a week, you live longer. And then everyone's like, looks like I'm going to be immortal. And then they reply to that with check out this cool new boat car concept boat car that costs $40 million that's never going to be in production or anything like that. But hey, it's cool, isn't it? One of my favorites that used to circulate every now and again, it was kind of like the Drew Brees broken legs in a car accident

story that would just pop up occasionally was if studies show that women who consume semen have a 50% decrease in likelihood of breast cancer. Oh, wow. And then all the fellas just hop on the group chat immediately. Hell yeah. Yes. So Twitter, I guess business insiders the one Twitter place

that's still just going. No, Rex Chapman has found a way to adjust in today's times. Yes, he's finding new viral videos to steal. Somebody getting a run over. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Blocker charts. Well, it's kind of serious this time, Rex.

Yeah. And you know what? Bob Lee did it better than Rex Chapman did when it was the whole LeBron James, Steve Kerr, China thing. Yeah. And he just wrote blocker charge for the Tiananmen Square picture. Yes. Of the dude in front of the tank.

Yes. So yeah, we're basically we're just getting through through the calendar. We're here. We're June 1st. We have a great show for you. We're taking mental reps for sports right now. That's what we're doing. We got this.

So we have a great show for you. We have Bill Burr coming up. Awesome interview with him. New movie coming out. Kingdom of Staten Island. That was we both loved. Then we have Aryan Foster on for about 45 plus talking about everything that's happened last week, a serious tone, a serious

conversation. But I think for those that can maybe put there like, hey, maybe we'll talk about some hard issues aside for a second. They'll actually enjoy it. Those that can't. No big deal. Just skip it. That's fine.

Skip on ahead. It's fine with me if you want to get to Billy, but I'm not even saying that this is a political thing that we're discussing because it's not it's not political. It's explaining your mind. If you if you're anti-Trump and you think that Joe Biden is going to save you from everything that's happened, then you're fucking delusional.

Yeah. So like it's not political in the sense of like we're not sitting down and talking about politics. It's a fascinating conversation. And I learned a lot. I learned something a lot. It's amazing when you listen to other people talk, you learn new things about them.

So try it about yourself. So give a shot. And I would love to hear from just one person who who doesn't like Aryan Foster or doesn't like that we're getting serious and listen to it and actually enjoy it and maybe learn something. Just tweet us to let us know that we're still human beings. That's all we ask. Can I just make a point of order about the protest?

Just one thing that I've noticed here. The guys wearing the Hawaiian shirts. Yeah. Apparently this has become like a race war white supremacist thing to wear Hawaiian shirts. Pineapples. Fuck you for you will not take. I'm reclaiming Hawaiian shirts and it's people that like to party.

My entire summer wardrobe to try to get people to look at something other than my supple breasts is to just put like random, you know, fruits and tigers and weird shit. Everyone's seen the shirts I wear. I wear those not because I think they're fashionable. I wear them because the more you have going on on your shirt, the less people notice your gut and your tits. Oh, I wear them because they're fashionable.

Yeah. It's like I truly. I wear fashion. I'm wearing them track. I'm wearing them as a fucking circle change. Yes, you're. People don't see that coming. Right.

Mine is mine is peacocking, but I was I was hanging up all my clothes in my closet the other day. I was taking them out of boxes and I realized that about 90 percent of shirts that I own with buttons on them are Hawaiian shirts. So I will not allow the Hawaiian shirt to be co-opted by they took milk from us. They took wearing comfortable new balances from playing the look at my finger, the circle game.

Circle game game. I mean, that was that's an all time game and it's gone forever. You can take my Hawaiian shirt from my red, sweaty, my tie-stained chest. Yeah, it's not going to happen. So yeah, the world's falling apart, but we're still we're still powering through. We have again, great show and great shows coming up. What's do we even have any update on anything? I mean, it's they're just basically hanging out.

Every league is like, we'll just wait and keep waiting. Quick update on Korean baseball still going. Dino's still in first place. Awesome. I watched the Bundesliga and I was wrong. Thank you for pronouncing it correctly. I was wrong about the crowd noise. Bundesliga. Oh, that is an update. Yes, it works. It was good. Yeah, it works. I didn't notice it at all.

And if you do, if you have like a DJ or someone who are like a sound mixer, an official sound mixer, it will work. So I'm all for doing the sound for watching these games. It probably won't have fans in it. They also had, I think some league in like maybe it was Netherlands had huge LED video boards with Zoom fans, like people live watching it, which is kind of cool. That is cool. I would do that.

I'd fucking watch. I'd zoom into a game. I did see that to Sean Jackson said that every player should be mic'd up. Yeah, that would be awesome. I would be awesome, but Roger Goodell is not going to go for it. Neither are any of the Roger Goodell denied Dave. Oh, yeah. So yeah, Roger Goodell hates children. Roger Goodell and the NFL decided the first time in the history of the NFL, they did a background check was to to so that they could not accept

$250,000 of charity, but unbelievable, but but also expected silver lining. It's got to go to Marlins, right? Has Marlins man came in second place in the bidding. Do you get to take along a friend or family member? Are you talking about a mermaid? No, I'm talking about your mom, maybe a family member. Oh, he's going to take your mom. No, maybe your internet's steps on.

Oh, interesting. I don't know. Marlins, man, if you're out there, let us know if the it would also be classic Goodell to just be like, Oh, well, let's just not do it. Not going to do it. Yeah, I mean, say the the background check. Dave has not been convicted of anything. He got, you know, detained at the. We were arrested, but we like those charges are gone.

They're not charged. Oh, yeah. The other. Oh, yeah. When you actually did get arrested. Yes, you did get a sponge. Yes, but those are exposed. So their background check was like, oh, yeah, this guy, we can't let him in. Background check complete. I hope they actually spent money on a background check.

So look up their own file from what I've heard. There was a dossier that was put together. Yeah. So somebody behind the scenes. Let me know that the NFL requested dossier of everything that Dave's done. And it's very funny to me that, like, potentially the two top bidders on spending an evening in Roger Goodell's man cave are going to have their bids revoked because they're security threats. There's actually a conspiracy theory going on now that

Roger Goodell works for Barstool because he continually plays into our hands. Yeah. And I actually am starting to buy it. Yeah. I'm starting to think that it's not so far off to think that Roger Goodell is on Barstool's payroll deliberately to play the heel and never, ever, ever just do one cool thing. He is the ultimate suit, man. It's it's crazy. Think about this. Darren Ravel, the robot who, by the way, that was awesome.

When like the world's falling apart, he's like, you want to know how crazy the world's gotten? Nike, Deed has just retweeted Nike. So on brand. Remember where you were. Unbelievable. But Darren Ravel figured out eight years ago that is if you play along and maybe every now and then be the butt of the joke, you can probably engrace yourself, ingratiate yourself to our fans

when he played me one on one and lost 11, nothing. Darren Ravel figured that out. And Roger Goodell, not only can he not figure it out, but no one around him has been able to figure it out. That if he just played ball once, he probably would take like, I don't know, 75% of the piss out of this. Yeah, I don't think that he could have played it worse. No, like the way that he said it up, it's just been win on our stack.

Yeah, win, win. We pay him. Yeah, that's fine. We must pay him. We must pay him. Yeah, shout out, Roger Goodell. But if Marlon's man does want a guest, I will tag along. Although do I have a dossier? Because I have been arrested. Not really. I've been arrested. Here's the problem is even if I wasn't technically arrested,

I've said that I've been arrested so many times. Where the hell are these guys' records? He keeps saying he's been arrested. We can't find anything sending them on a wild goose chase looking for all the records of me being apprehended. That would be great, though, if it would be bad for me, actually, if I passed the background check to go hang out with Roger Goodell. Because then it would mean you didn't get arrested.

Because it would mean I'm not a bad boy. Yeah, yeah, so you can't take that risk. So you need to just go get arrested right now. OK, I can do that. Go stay, go egg Roger Goodell's house. Cut the tag off a pillow right in the middle of Fifth Avenue. All right, let's get to who's back of the week. Who's back of the week is brought to you by our friends at Body Armor.

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Hank, my who's back of the week is Andy Milanakis. Oh, yes. Everyone remembers his TV show, probably not everyone, because there's probably a lot of people that listen to the show. I got cheese on my head. Don't call me a peas head. Peas on my head. Don't call me a peas. Pea head.

He's actually my most famous birthday, bro. January 30th. Yes, you and Andy Milanakis. Andy Milanakis is turning 18 this year. He's my man crush Monday. He tweeted the space launch happened on Saturday. And he told me to talk about space. He tweeted congratulations to the astronauts that left Earth today.

Period. Good choice. Simple tweet, you would think, you know, a little joke, a little joke on the times. That is now the third most popular tweet of all time. All time. Holy shit. And the two ahead of him are Obama. Now. Oh, wasn't Ellen Selfie. Remember Ellen Selfie with Kevin Spacey that we don't talk about anymore? That one aged.

Well, who else was in that picture? Jeffrey Epstein, Bradley Cooper, some of his money. I love how it's like, oh, my God, goals. And it's like, whoops. Kevin Spacey liked the tweet of all time. OK, OK, OK. How many likes? 3.1 million. Damn.

That's like a tenth of the United States liked his tweet. I actually is that's a good tweet. But the better one was the guy who tweeted not. I mean, yeah, what? Not by the millions. Yeah, I know the better one, though. Well, objectively, objectively, the better one was the guy who said James Harden has to be so confused that a rocket just was successful in late May.

Owned. That's big time. Owned. Owned. Big time. Ownage. Shout out, Andy. Andy. Andy Milanakis. Yeah. Some great TV back in the day. Is that it? So so when people didn't realize that he had, like, whatever, he wasn't 16. Yeah, right. Before people realized that thing is still funny, though.

Yeah, no, no, the show's still funny. There was a moment where I was like, oh, there are specific moments in time that you just can never get back. Like when that was my middle school, that like that, like my middle school was like in in shambles when we found that news out when Ali G. Like people didn't know that, like, weren't in on the joke whatsoever. And he was just like, it was so raw and so new. That kind of shit.

Oh, the best. How much older was Andy? Then he was letting on like 30. Well, no, no, no, no, he wasn't saying he wasn't 15. He was just acting acting and doing all this shit and look super young. And then I was like, oh, this guy's 28. Like me, my me, my middle school friends are like, oh, he's one of us. Like, look at this kid. He's a superstar. I always thought he was just like Tom Green with a head injury.

I specifically remember watching him thinking he was my age and then being like, oh, no, he's 28. Yeah, he's 40. Yeah, he's 44 today. And he's chugging away on Twitter. He was doing. Yeah, he was doing his big stuff. I think he became huge in like 2003, 2004. So that would make him that was like, yeah, he was like 28. Yeah. I was 12.

I don't think I do my math right, whatever. I get it. I understand. He was old. I'm a book guy. My who's back of the week. Yeah, congrats, Andy. My who's back of the week is anonymous. Anonymous, the hacker. Well, I'm going to say very nice things about anonymous, the hacker,

very nice people contingent because I am terrified of them. Oh, yeah. And if you saw their video, I'm terrified for good reason. It was so badass. The guy was wearing the guy Fox mask and he was standing in front of like a digital background with green code that was flashing on his face. And he was talking in a computer voice saying like, we warned you. We have returned. We are Legion. We are anonymous and I'm fucking terrified.

So I'm terrified, too. But whenever I see a video like that, I just think of like when I'm making a video and I get like interrupted, like when I'm trying to do the Joe Buck Big Head picture or something, just thinking of anonymous like anonymous's wife walked in and was like, hey, all right, like, do you need the car today? And I was like, what the fuck? I'm doing the video. I'm making my threats. Yeah.

Go pay like, give me a second. He's doing the he's staring straight into the camera and his kid walks in the door in the background like that BBC anchor. This is walking around. You ruin the shop. You guys remember why I mean, the reaction of him coming back was so funny. I couldn't remember why he disappeared. Anonymous isn't one person, Hank.

Yeah. Anonymous is a collective. Yeah. But why did that? And how about coming back with a shoot? I mean, they came back with a bang. They wear the mask. Anyone could be an anonymous. Right. Bubba could be anonymous. I could be maybe.

I don't think I'm good enough with computers. Yeah, that's what an anonymous. Exactly. Yeah, I don't know. What is this? C plus C plus. We're talking about my report card. What do they do on a Microsoft Word or some PowerPoint? Yeah, he's just doing everything on PowerPoint to get us or no Excel.

You know what it is? Dave Gettleman's computer folks. Yeah, I also last night I was a little bit a little bit suited. And I had a moment where I thought anonymous and spooky ghosts were the same person. And I was like, anonymous is back. The fact that it's going to be. Yeah. Dude, the fact that I was like, wait, that was that was a different person. Yeah. Yeah.

So anonymous is back and I'm scared. This is one of those situations. Kind of like how I like to align myself with robots that will one day take over all of us. I'm letting anonymous know whatever you need from me. I got you. Just let me know. I'll help you out. Yeah. My other whom's back of the week is the Super Volcano.

We call this is also a not to brag, but we called this on last week's show. I think we said after all the murder hornet Hullabaloo, we're like, we're overdue for an article telling us that the Super Volcano in Yellowstone is overdue. That's the ultimate fear porn article comes out once every other week. It feels like there's a big one that came out yesterday. And yeah, so we're all fucked. The entire United States is going to get blown up by a volcano.

Not scared. I also think that this is an opportunity. Some people see crisis here. I see opportunity because when I see that the entire United States is going to get destroyed by a Super Volcano, I think to myself, what would go in my bag that I have somewhere in my house? My brake glass in case of emergency bag. When I hear that we're all about to get destroyed in the next 30 minutes,

I want to have a bag filled with cool shit that I want to do like one last time before I die. Like my favorite things are just things that would be great. You're going to take it with you? No, because you're going to die. Like it's the I've accepted I'm going to die bag. I wouldn't die for you. It's like Molly.

How do I spend my last? Yeah, I think it would be Molly guitar. Let everyone know you play guitar. I think it would be Molly. I think it would be. I'd probably have like a Chick-fil-A sandwich in there. Like get one last. Maybe a honey butter chicken biscuit.

Yeah, I don't want to have a microwave. Just I mean, I guess I'm asking you what would go in your bag. I would probably have my son in my bag. A three eleven and largest. So whatever whatever book I'm reading, you read a book, you go out reading. But you're like, oh, I live. Do I live to read or do I read to live? What you also have washed or pre-washed Oreos.

You have to think in that circumstance, like if your body is covered in ashes, like that dude in Pompeii, what do you want to be doing in your last post? Because the masturbating man is always going to be known as the guy that was jacking off when the volcano. Yeah, I think I'd just be sitting there. Just sit. Just he died. How he lived just chilling, playing video games. Wow, his spine's really fucked up.

He must have been sitting for a long time. Tearing up a 50 50 raffle ticket. We've never seen a human skeleton like this. Yeah, I think I think heroin heroin and Chick-fil-A would be my my go tos if I had like 30 minutes left. So the Chick-fil-A sandwich though would just be sitting there. For like the last five years. I order one every day, just in case, just in case a super volcano is coming.

All right. My who's back is Elon Musk. Big time back. I think what people are talking about him being the greatest human being ever. Are they? They were saying some people were saying he's. Well, it was a big thing of like he's the greatest American ever. I was like, dude, he's from South Africa. And then some people were saying like I'm so happy to be alive during the time of Elon Musk.

We already did it. I don't get what we did. That's different. We haven't done it in a while. Who cares? We went to space for less money. Also, we've been like the audio was so fucked up on the launch. It pissed me off so bad. Did you see that? I didn't there was I didn't tune in.

I was like, oh, they're launching a rocket. You really were that big of a hater? You don't think that you don't think going to space is cool? I think it's cool. I think it's cool that we've done it a hundred thousand times already. We have not though, Hank. How many times do you think we've been on the moon? Twenty.

I don't think it's that much. Fifteen. Are these guys going to the moon? No. OK. So how many times we've been in space? We've been to the moon. Twenty plus more times than Mariano Rivera has gotten. It hits off the moon in the 60s. Right. Technology has advanced a long way.

But we stopped going to the moon. But we stopped going back to the moon. This is what we're not going to learn anything. We are not going to learn anything new from Elon Musk. It's the first time that we just for him to pat himself on the back and be like, cool. Well, it's the first time that we're going to the moon. Without the help of Nazi scientists.

Yeah. It's also it's also kind of like. It's all appropriate that the world's falling apart and NASA like helped Elon Musk, like, yo, dude, when you need to get out of here, like, we'll help you get out of here. Like, you basically get that motion. Yeah. Right. Yeah. You know, Musk's going to dip. He's got his he called his Uber. So basically what you're saying is like Elon Musk

is pulling the old Ferris Bueller day off. Like, I'm going to take care of this car. He's like, I'm going to bring it right back. Yeah, I'm going to take it around. Just take the first spin around the moon. You guys build this thing and we'll be good to go. And I won't use it. I swear to God, we'll just use it for whatever you want to do in terms of like science and shit.

And then the minute shit really pops off, he's like, I'm out. That's why I named his kid like a line of computer code so he can just act like it's a robot. He's been with him. I'm naming the spaceship. Dragon was pretty cool, though. You have to give us that. Hank, sure.

Hank, are you not impressed by outer space? Did you not grow up wanting to be an astronaut? I'm extremely impressed by outer space. My question to you guys, though, is what are these guys going to come back with that we didn't already know? They probably brought an ant farm up there. They do all sorts of cool experiments. Like, there's Bob and Doug.

There's always, there's always, I follow one of the astronauts on Twitter. He's always in space tweeting pictures of the Earth. Oh, yeah, that guy is. So it's like we've been in space. A little bit of an attention seeker. This is the same thing. I don't know. It's just, I didn't.

I know who you're talking about. I saw people freaking out about us going to space yesterday. And I was like, what? Oh, that's kind of cool. It's kind of, I guess you're, to be honest with you, Hank, you are enlightening me a little like, why am I excited about it? I just, I guess I am, but you're not wrong. Like, what are we doing?

Well, there's no, someone knows what we're doing. They've never been to the moon at night. Oh, the, the fucking, uh, the ship came back down and just sat on that platform. That was cool. Which they also like, they had technical errors. They blew up a rocket on Friday. No, did you see that? Where they were, they were showing the platform in the middle of the ocean.

Then they went away from the broadcast because there was technical errors and they went back and the rocket was just sitting there. Oh, interesting. Not to be that guy, but. Well, at least it's not, we think this is a real one. This was not filmed on a soundstage in Las Vegas. Mm hmm. True, true.

There was an anchor on CNN who was, she was like, I just love science. And when she started crying. Really? So excited about science. Yeah. If you're a science person, it's cool. Like rockets and shit.

That's sick. Right. If you're a smart person. Yeah. I get it. We get it. You just give me something new. Go to a different planet.

Right. Yes. I agree with that. Okay. Let's get to our interviews. Yeah. That's a good point. Why aren't we going to Mars right now?

I think it's too far away, man. You can give it more fuel. I think it's too far away. I think Mars is a lot farther than we think. Has anybody ever thought about bringing Mars to us? Bring it closer to us? Lasso Mars with a magnet? Get on it.

That's what they should do. Go to the moon. Put some magnets on the moon. Get us Mars. Then we can talk. When it get us? No, it's us. It's like.

If you put magnets on the moon, wouldn't it? But only if we're a positive magnet. Put positive magnet on Earth. Positive magnet on the moon so that way we don't attract. So we then push the moon away. Then the moon. I don't know. I don't know.

No, so. The moon is gone. I think we just got to figure out what Mars is made of and then just have magnets that attract that thing. Got it. Yeah. OK. All right.

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Okay, here he is, Bill Burr. All right, well, we'll just go right into it. We were talking about Queens of Stone Age. Bill Burr's wearing a Queens of Stone Age shirt. He's on the show. Not because I'm a fan. I just feel like the blue brings out my eyes. It does.

It's great to have you on. Long time friend. You have a new movie coming out. What's the actual day of the movie coming out? King of Staten Island. June 12th. June 12th, very exciting. We watched the movie.

I told you, it is awesome. And I'm not saying that because you're a friend. I really, really enjoyed the movie. And I feel like it was a role meant for you, the disgruntled kind of anger problem firefighter. Yes, there was not a lot of acting involved. Playing an angry lunatic who's saying shit in front of kids and women that he shouldn't be saying.

So no, not a lot of acting for me. But I will tell you this though, because you guys always say what you're thinking, you know, this is the second I did the KFC show and the fact that you guys both liked it. It's like Howard Stern. If Howard Stern says he likes something, you know he liked it because if he doesn't,

he's gonna say it. So I really appreciate, you know, this doesn't feel like you just, you just ball washing me here. No, no, my test with movies is if I watch a movie, if I am thinking about the movie when I wake up the next day, that means that I really liked it.

And this is a movie that I watched on Sunday and I woke up on Monday and I was still thinking about it. Oh, nice. Yeah. All right, well, I'm very excited. Yeah, I have a supporting role in it. It's Pete Davidson and Marissa Tomei, Steve Buscemi, Dom Lombard-Dozy.

It's just a powerhouse cast. And it, I don't know, we had a great time. Judd Apatow obviously was the creative force behind it. And we just, you know, we shot all last year. You remember that? I think I came in and did your show with my porno stash. Yeah. Back when people were allowed to go outside and hang out.

Yeah. That was a great time. It feels like it was five years ago. But I was actually gonna ask you about that stash because the shaved head and the stash is quite a look. You look like a gay Nazi in this movie. And you put, but you pull it off. I don't know if that's like a plus or a minus.

But it works. I gotta be honest. I have heard worse. It works. It's actually so spot on that like you're, you're like white supremacists and at the end, it's like Kevin Spacey at the end of American Beauty. And it's like, oh, he's just been suppressing

all his feelings on the other guy. I think that's the sequel. I think we sort of build out the character. Guys, don't give it away. Don't give it away. Yeah. I'm not gonna give anything away. This is a hit.

We still got places to go with this character. It's true. But I've always wondered when you have a mustache like that, how, how long before you start shooting, do you grow out the character's hair or facial hair? Like how long were you walking around with that thing? I, oh, sorry. That's why I hit mute on this.

I can't know how to shut this thing. Let me shut this off. So you're only fans? I, I start, we started shooting in June and I stopped shaving in like second week of April. And I just, I just grew the beard out. So I was starting to get like the, I look, starting to look like a red Zach Galifianakis.

You remember that one where he shaved his head? One of those Vegas movies there, the, the bachelor party one. I just came out like that. So we didn't really know what it was gonna look like cause I really looked like, I just started to look like some douche that makes like artisan ice cream in Brooklyn, you know,

where I had like the shaved head and then the completely like, you know, unkempt beard. And then they just, they shaved it off. And I couldn't really tell how thick, I never tried to grow it like that, but I was very happy. I am psyched because a lot of people think it's fake. So I'm like, that's gotta be a good mustache. Yeah.

No, it's a good stash. I don't know if you've heard this, but there's some Oscar buzz around you right now. Mm. I mean, I just, I just started. Yeah, Oscar buzz, we've been talking about it. People are saying that there's Oscar buzz around you. Is that something that you've ever thought of in your life?

Like Bill Burr, Academy Award winner. I think you guys have been quarantining too long. No. It's the only movie I've seen in nine months, Bill. It was really good. That definitely has Oscar buzz. No, it was good. You were, you were very good in,

in mostly a dramatic role in this movie. Like there were, there were elements of the script that were obviously funny when you were arguing with Pete and all that stuff. But I actually thought that you did a good job in a, in a pretty serious role overall. Yes, man, as a comedian, it was fun to get an opportunity to play that.

There's sort of a thing where, you know, people see you, they see what you're doing. They think that that's all you could do. And the drama thing always struck me funny as far as the stereotype that a comedian couldn't play drama where if you really listen to a comedian's act when they talk about their life, there's a lot of drama in it. It becomes funny when they tell the story,

but they live through all this, you know, divorces, breakups and crazy parents or whatever. So I, I, you know, there's been a number of people like that they finally let do it. So then I got to do it basically. So I had one last question about King of Staten Island and then we can talk about whatever, but the one line that really got to me,

and I'm not going to give anything away here, but you and Pete Davidson have an argument and he made fun of you for betting on the jets. And that one hurt me personally because I think that that is actually, like the meanest insult you can give someone is making fun of their bad bets. And so I don't know if you, if you real,

I mean, you're a gambler. I don't know if you realize in the moment how, how much that line like really hit when you're, when the gloves are off and you're going at someone and you're like, yeah, but you fucking bet on this team and they suck, you idiot. That one just was like, oh, gut punch. That's because it hurts on two different levels.

If you're an actual fan of the team, like I think degenerate gamblers who still bet on their, their home team love the team so much more than, you know, when they do those, those fluff pieces on the local news and they show, we found the biggest Long Island Islanders fan. I remember that when I was back in the day to show this family, they had all the trash cans,

the beanbags, everything said Islanders on it. And they got this credit for being the biggest fan. The biggest fan is the degenerate gambler. He's trying, he's down decades down to the bookie, still cannot bet against his home team, still can't lay off his home team. It's a level of fanhood that I think a lot of more people need to aspire to, especially during these trying times.

Yeah, one of these days the Washington generals are going to beat the Globetrotters. Right, I've got a future on them. Right, it's going to happen eventually and I'll be laughing at everybody when it does. It's just something about losing a bet and then having someone be like, yeah, you are an extra idiot for betting on this team.

It's just, it's a fucking killer. It's a knockout punch. Yeah, I fortunately, I never got too crazy with it. I watched some other people in my life get crazy. So I kind of, I dabbled or whatever. I'm more, you know what I did with like gambling? I more did it in house. Like I, you know, I did a thing a couple of years

with Verzi, Paul Verzi, we do this thing where every week he had to pick four games, bet against the spread. And then at the end of the year, there was, you know, every year, every week you put in some money and then the end there was the big, you know, pot or whatever. I would do stuff like that. Cause when I found, you know, losing money to a friend,

as much as you're going to run into him, he's going to break your balls. He's still your friend and he probably buy you a round of beers, just losing it to a complete stranger. Yeah. And just meeting that guy in that fucking parking lot. That's the way it was done back in the day.

The guy pull up, you know, in his stupid fucking caddy, whatever, it was always so cliche. It's just like, you couldn't look more like a bookie than if you went to like central casting and they were like, what is a bookie drive? What does he look like? They all fucking look the same. I just remembered, yeah, I'm not going to get

into the details of that, some of the people in my life that it was kind of cool in the beginning and then it was not so cool. But it's true because the, I've been in many of those meetup situations. And for some reason in the back of your head, you're always like, this guy's a good guy. He'll give me a break and they never give you a break.

They never ever give you a break. They're always just like, yep, thanks for that. I'm going to go, you know, pay for my kids braces now. You fucking idiot. My favorite is when they bring along their guy that's like noticeably bigger than them, just to be the muscle if anything goes wrong. Like, it's usually just the guy's like friend,

his biggest friend. He's like, hey, you want to go for a ride with me? He's like, sure, I'll tag along. They're going to fucking McDonald's drive through after. Yeah, exactly. Exactly, yeah. Did you get to kiss Marissa Tomei? Did you watch the movie?

I did, but I forgot. Oh yeah. Oh, all right. And you thought it was a great movie. Yeah. I like how Dan woke up thinking about it and you woke up and you couldn't remember it. I was going to ask.

I'm sorry, I don't remember if you, I respect women that wasn't a vocal part of the movie. I actually wrote down how awesome was it that you got to kiss Marissa Tomei. My question was Marissa Tomei is awesome. Did you get to kiss her? Yes, I did. And they filmed it.

Yeah, nice. Nice. How many times? How many takes did we do? I don't know. This is sort of a weird line of questioning. That's okay, that's where our brain goes. You feel feelings.

How many times have you thought about kissing Marissa Tomei after you kissed Marissa Tomei? Oh, that's a great question. A lot. A lot. I'm not going to lie, dude. She's a great kisser. And then also I had anxiety

because I had never done that before in a movie. I never had to play something like that. And I will say the first time we kissed in the movie was outside, you know, Pete and hers house. And what was hilarious is aside from the camera crew, the neighbors in the house next door, like right over her shoulder, there was like five of them sitting on the stoop,

just sitting there watching. So yeah, it was kind of, yeah, it was weird. Do you think she liked it when you kissed her? Probably not. I imagined someone's kissed her better, somebody wears sunglasses all the time. Yep. Not afraid to wear Larry Bird shorts.

Yeah, I'm sure. That's how it was right. Listen, I'm sorry that happened and you didn't get to experience it. I hope you can, you go to, you start auditioning for movies and you get to kiss somebody that you wanted to kiss. All right, so I have to ask, you're a huge sports fan. We've talked about it every time you come on.

How are you doing without sports? Has it got, like, I've gone through the transition where it's now the new normal. And I'm like, I can't even kind of remember what it's like to look forward to a night full of sports. How are you dealing with it? I am in the same boat as you, but I can't remember what it's like to watch a game live.

Cause what I've done is I just, I've delved into NFL history pre-super bowls. Ooh. Because I just, I find it fascinating that every other sport will count their titles to the beginning of their league. The beginning that the league started. Right.

You know, the NFL, I mean, I don't know, they start Super Bowl one, 67 or whatever it was, the 66 season, and they just blow off all of these other people, you know, that were, you know, part of the inception of the sport. And I just, I think it's fascinating as a Patriots fan that we won six titles in the hundred years of the league and we're somehow tied for the most ever.

And the number is still in single digits. Where every other thing, it's like Montreal's got like 24, the Yankees got damn near 30, they had 27, Celtics got 17, Lakers have 16, really have 15, if you want to count NBA titles, but we'll give it to them. Everybody in LA pads their stats. But then the Green Bay Packers won like nine or 11 NFL titles

and then won another four Super Bowls. So they're the Celtics, Lakers, whatever you want to say, Yankees, Canadians of the NFL, but for some reason the Steelers and the Patriots are holding that crown. And I just find that, I find it weird. Right. Because it's not like they didn't absorb other leagues.

They absorbed the All-American football conference. The AFL that they absorbed was also the third league called the AFL. So it's just sort of a weird thing. So I wanted to go back and just look at some of that stuff. So are you going back and you're watching games from like the 1930s? Are you just going back and reading history?

You can watch like title games. Like they'll have like sort of like a press reel of it or a lot of it, a lot of game footage. And you'd be surprised the way they talk about Johnny United's how it was three yards in a cloud of dust and then he came and started throwing the ball. It's not the fucking case. Otto Graham was thrown it all over the field.

Norm Brandt, Brooklyn, Bobby Lane, all of these guys. It sort of looks like the pro game. They don't quite throw as tight a spiral. But the best thing that I found was just the first African-American quarterback that ever started a pro game was this guy Marlon Briscoe for the Denver Broncos. They wanted to make him a wide receiver. It's literally a Denzel movie.

And he says, coach, I want the opportunity to try out to be a quarterback. He crushes it. They still stick him as like third string. Like nine white guys went down. I think they even threw the place kicker in there to fucking play quarterback. They finally stick the guy in.

He throws like four touchdowns. He threw for like three and 35 yards. Crushes it for the rest of the season. Next year, they draft a new white dude. And they just give it to him without even letting him try out. And he played the rest of his career as a wide receiver, went to Buffalo and stuff. But if you watch Marlon Briscoe highlights, it's insane.

You see the modern game. It immediately goes from 1966, right up to Randall Cunningham, to Michael Vick, and to the way it is now. Will you just see this guy that it's like, if he doesn't kill you with his arm, he's going to run. Like he drove like an 80-yard, had an 80-yard drive, his first time under center, the first drive he had.

And then he ran it in the final 15. He did that shit, the flick of the wrist, where it barely even looks like he was in it, went like 30 yards. Amazing. And also, terrible story all at the same time. Right, right. One thing that always catches my eye

when I'm watching old football games is the referees always look so much more uncoordinated. Corny, I'd even say. The referees look corny, and they make these weird motions instead of doing like the normal first down. They just look like they're not on the same level as today's refs. They look like they're refs in different games.

Some of the hand signals back then, I actually was watching a game the other night, like the 51 championship game or something like that. And yeah, I noticed. And wide receivers weren't called wide receivers. They were called ends. So I got like all these old football cards and shit. I'm like, what the fuck is Flanker and End

and all of this stuff? There's a lot of shit from back then that they should be talking about, how nobody took the kicking game seriously until the Cleveland Browns joined the league. And after Paul Brown and Otto Graham and Lou the Toe Groza, they played four years of the All-American Football Conference.

They won the title all four years. And NFL was like, ah, it's a Mickey Mouse fucking league. Go fuck yourself. And they came in first year in the league. They won the title. It was a major embarrassment for the NFL. And they beat the Rams, who used to be the Cleveland Rams. And then they went to the championship game from 1950

to 1955, six years in a row, 50-51 right through 55. And they won three and lost three. And then finally people started crunching numbers going, why are these guys beating us so bad? And they found out that they won 15% of their games because of the kicking game. And Lou Groza was the first guy that from 40 yards out was accurate.

And he was a fucking offensive tackle. And he kicked straight on. No momentum it looked like. And he could actually hit one from 50. And that's also when the goal post was right on the goal line. So you got to like to, it was eight yards into their fucking territory and this guy could hit one. Right.

I've always thought that if you have a 300-pound guy kicking a field goal, it should be worth four. Or if you have the guy that scores the touchdown, kicked the extra point, that should be worth two. That's something the XFL should have done, which I went to one game and I was really disappointed that what I saw was a bunch of coaches trying to make it to the NFL rather than they were just calling the same thing.

And they had that thing. You could have two forward passes on one fucking play as long as it was behind the offensive line of scrimmage. There should have been a league-wide rule. You have to do that once a quarter. Yeah, agreed. To get fans of the NFL being like, what the fuck is this? I mean, that's what the ABA did.

Yeah, change it to make it different. Yeah. Yeah, I like that you answered the initial question, though, about how you're dealing without sports. You're in the camp of denial. You've gotten in a time machine. You've started over and you're prepared now. If this thing lasts for the next 10 years,

you will finally have caught up to modern-day football and ready to hit the ground running. Genius. You're a genius. I have to say, I was already doing that in other areas with global warming. Everybody freaking out about Trump, China, all of this shit. For the last four years, I would just want, late at night,

back when I was still boozing, I would come home and I would just put on me TV. And I would watch the Rockford Files, or I would watch like Peter Gunn, 77 Sunset Strip, The Untouchables. And I would just look at like America back in the 50s and 60s. It's, I mean, it's crazy, though, to think we actually,

the last time we saw you was the last game we went to. You were sitting up a row away from us at the national championship game, which we didn't realize till after the game. Remember, I looked down and you're just standing right there. I think you were with your parents. It feels like that's 10 years ago, but fuck, I miss live sports so much.

I know, I looked at you for like three seconds, going, that guy looks like Dan Kesson. There's no fucking way that's him. The whole game. Yeah, quarter. Yeah, we were literally like 10, 10 seats away. You were one row ahead for the entire game. Then after the game, I looked down and I'm like,

Oh shit, there's Bill. Okay. And it was the other one when we both went to the big house. Yup. For the Wisconsin game. And I was so hammered and you was so pissed about Wisconsin that we never ran into each other. Yeah. You walked out, I believe yelling chicken shit football.

Chicken. Well, the Wisconsin punted down, I want to say 17 in plus territory in like the middle of third quarter. And I was like, all right, I'm out. They don't want to win. There's chicken shit football. They just don't want to be embarrassed. And I just walked out saying chicken shit,

chicken shit, chicken shit. So fuck. Chicken shit football was my favorite quote of that year. It is. It's chicken shit football. You got to play to win the game. I do have to ask you this because I've been curious. You texted me randomly in January 11th. I think this was the NFC divisional round.

Out of nowhere, the 49ers need to celebrate more after making routine tackles. Out of nowhere. How many people did you try to talk to about that before you landed on me? It was completely out of the- You were part of the first cluster. You just wanted to rant and you're like, who can I rant to?

You have them on BCC? Like you send out to like 10 people and they think that it's individual coming from you? I didn't want to text it to New York people because they're always showboating and everybody's writing songs about their city. So they don't understand how a Midwest guy they don't understand being humble.

You guys will see it. You're still young guys. Something will happen in sports where you're going to read it as these people don't know what the fuck they're doing. And then you'll gradually learn the math is, oh, I'm just old now. Yeah, yeah. It was a great text to get of just like an old man yelling

at clouds and you just picked me and I was like, I'm in. I agree. It's crazy. I feel the same way about like cornerbacks and safeties when they celebrate an incomplete pass, but they didn't do shit to break it up. Like the guy was wild. That's one of my favorites.

Either way, old man yelling at clouds should be the name of my next special. I love that. Of all the ways my wife has just tried to sum me up, I think I might have to repeat that to her. Yeah, just going outside and just getting pissed at some clouds. Like, let me just rant for a minute and then I'll come back in and we'll have dinner.

Guilty as charged. I love it. So you're a big Star Wars guy, Bill. You're big in the Star Wars community right now. I read a quote that you had. This is a while back. I think you called Star Wars a cheesy self-help book put in outer space with Muppets.

Put in outer space, yeah. Yeah, I absolutely did. Then you got a job working for Star Wars and you're like, I retract all that. I'm going to catch your chess apple. That's not anything that happened. OK, so you're on the main morning. Negative Nelly today, aren't you?

More so than usual. You're on the Mandalorian, Bill. I heard that you spiked baby Yoda. Is that true? I think you heard a lot of things. I can tell you what happened. You can keep fucking fishing. Yeah.

This is what happened. I saw a bunch of people enjoying something and as a comedian, that's just a layup. So I was forever making fun of people. 30-year-old people going down to a movie theater, dressing like Chewbacca and all that shit. So if you listen to my podcast, I recently went off on painters, people who paint their house,

how bad they are at their job, if there's literally a toddler in the room, they'll paint. They'll just fucking paint everything. They have no pride in their fucking job. And the amount of shit that I got, that's how I build my podcast. And this last week, I talked about people that go to the beach, that they're just inherently not

smart people and it's good for our population that these are the test people. We set off the atom bomb. Let's have them walk towards it. We can afford to lose these people. So with the Star Wars thing, that's kind of what I was doing. And also I wasn't, I liked the second one, but the other ones, just by the time I fucking saw them,

I was like 14, 15. I was too busy obsessing over the fact that I knew I wasn't gonna get laid for a long time to give a shit about, yeah, the Muppets in space. So fast forward, I don't know how many 40 fucking years, 35 years I was at a party, a birthday party for a buddy of mine who knew John Favreau. And John was there, he said,

hey man, I'm taking over, I'm doing the man unloading thing. I'm taking over this aspect of Star Wars. There's a part in there that we're writing for you. Do you wanna do it? And I was like, dude, I gotta be honest with you, man. I've been trashing Star Wars for a long fucking time. I don't know about this. And then he goes, I know, I listened to your podcast.

I think that would be funny. I think your fans would get a kick out of it if you went in there. So I was like, really? My wife was with me, she goes, Bill, do it. I said, all right, all right, so I'll do it. Now, here's the thing. Had I known his Star Wars was gonna look the way it looked,

I would have been calling him to get into it. Because I didn't know he was gonna do this whole spaghetti Western bounty hunter looking thing. And I do have to be honest with you, the first time I went in, the first day, right? I went in and we were rehearsing the scene on the spaceship. And one actress had all this purple with tentacles on, somebody else looked like Hellboy,

Brandon was dressed like Boba Fett, and they're all talking and shit. And like, you know when you're in the room and only you find something funny, so you can't laugh? They would just sort of say it all this spaceship to each other. And I kind of had to look down for a second and regroup. Like, for half a second I was like,

I'm on fucking Fragile Rock, what am I doing here? But then they said action and they were all so good. And I was getting smoked. And after like three takes, it was weird. You just forget that you're all wearing these silly get ups. And then you just shootin' a shit about politics or sports. Talking to somebody with like tentacles coming on their heads about the Super Bowl and how you think it's fixed.

It's really like a weird thing. But fortunately, I somehow got into the thing. Yeah, so I do feel guilty about it because there's so many super fans who should be in it. However, this was a makeup for a buddy of mine, Joe DeRosa, who could give a fuck about sports. And I remember like 10 years ago, he came up to me and he's always squintin', right?

He was just like, yeah, Bill, I was in a bar the other night and I had drinks with this guy. He was somehow connected with the Yankees. I forget his name. And I was immediately looking at him like, you gotta be shit, man. And he's just, it was like, Joe Terry. And I was like, Joe Tory.

He's like, yeah, yeah, that was the guy. I go, you had fuckin' drinks with Joe Tory? He was like, yeah, he's like, is he a big guy in the year? And I just, I had to walk away. So I ended up calling him. Rub it in a little bit. Yeah. Hank was actually the one.

No, I waited. I waited. I got to meet George Lucas. Oh, fuck yeah. And I called him up and I said, hey, Joe. I go, it's pretty much known that you hate my guts. And he goes, oh, absolutely. Front page news, right?

We're always breaking balls, so. I go, I got a little story for you. I think it's gonna make you hate me more. And he goes, ah, fuck. He goes, does this have to do with Star Wars? And I said, Joe, did I ever tell you about the time I met George Lucas? And he goes, you motherfucker.

And I said, Joe, I'm living your dream. Go fuck yourself when I hung up on him. Oh, fuck yes. That's beautiful. That is beautiful. So we know our producer, Hank, who you've met, where he stands. Are you going to be a Tampa Bay Bucks fan this year?

Oh, absolutely. OK, so Hank agrees with you. Yeah, Hank agrees with you. Everything short of buying a jersey. Just because I'm too old to buy a jersey, right? Apps of fucking Lutely I am. And obviously, I root for the Patriots first. But here's my thing.

I want to see Tom Brady, OK? Take the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to the Super Bowl and play Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs. They're trying to go back to back. And Tom Brady's trying to do what Joe Montana didn't quite do. He made Kansas City the Chiefs a playoff team, his second team. But he didn't win the whole thing. And then he wins seven.

He's got one more than Jordan. I don't know. I think that would be unbelievable. But I'm very, listen, I'm not going to lie to you. It hurts like hell that he's gone. But I mean, that happens in sports. But he put us on the fucking map, dude. We were a joke.

We played in a high school fucking football stadium. We were a joke. So I would never be upset. And I would never root against that guy. Unless the Patriots were playing the Buccaneers, I'm going to root for them. I'm a Patriots fan first. But he delayed money so many times,

making sure that we had a good team. And he took us to nine Super Bowls, went in six. I'm going to fucking cry about that. Can't do it. So if you were to pick one team to make the Super Bowl next year, you either get the Patriots or the Bucs. Which one are you taking? Oh, the Patriots.

I was a Patriots fan for 30 years before he came along or 20 years before he came along. It's always going to go hometown team first. But I am by no means going to root against him in life. Dude, he's in Florida. He's not playing state taxes. He got a nice, fat contract. Good for him.

Good for him. He's got Alex Guerrero on the training staff now. Yeah, he's got all kinds of stuff. He's going on the Stern Show. It's been kind of fascinating to see Tom Brady become a human being after he left the Patriots organization was able to do the Stern Show, all these interviews and stuff. Have you been following that at all?

Yeah, but I mean, that's always been the genius of... How many times is my computer going to ask me if I want to update before and I just say maybe tonight? Yeah, you say tomorrow. I'm always doing tomorrow. Yeah, and it just hangs in there, man. Like a fucking star. I just think the way Belichick has run his organization,

like when I heard Belichick is actually a really funny guy. But when he goes in front of the press, he knows that anything he says is going to be twisted and used as bullet and board material. So he's playing the game next week's game right in the post-game press conference. And I always thought that the press were just sort of babies about it.

Where, I don't know, kind of like the way they would... I just think the press was babies about the Michael Jordan thing where they were like, well, this was just a fluff piece. He had total control. It's like, dude, you fucking assholes have been telling his story for 30 fucking years, 40 fucking years.

It was great finally hearing his version of it. And sometimes it's just fun to watch stuff like that. Like that's the thing that got to me. I can watch something on TV, understand that it's biased as shit, and still enjoy it. Because it was compelling television for four weeks when we didn't have any television out there. So it's like, you don't have to take one or the other.

Yeah, I'll tell you this, nothing in that 10 episodes of that was more biased than them trying to that bullshit when his dad got killed and tried to tie it to his gambling. All these years, I didn't know it was two fucking 18-year-old jerk-offs, random thing. It wasn't even a story. The fact that they looked the other way and did that, I mean, and then there's a couple guys,

one New York guy crying that he wasn't asked to be in. It's fucking hilarious. Yeah, yeah. So Bill, you've been probably paying attention to the Joe Rogan thing. He's going to Spotify, got 100 mil. How much would you say that that makes old Billy Redbeard? 95 million, 97 million?

No, no, no, no. I don't think I even even, no one's even close. He's like, it's the biggest, I don't know, somebody says it's the biggest podcast in the world. I mean, anybody with a microphone and a recording device can have a podcast, and he's the number one team or whatever you want to call it. He's the Chicago Bulls, the 90s Bulls of podcasting.

And it was just an amazing thing. Having been a guest on his show when he used to do it out of his house, you just go to his house and we'd be sitting around his table, that that thing grew into this. And that he was a total Rogan maverick where he was like, I love that he's completely outside the business and right in the business

at the same time. He did the deal himself from what I heard. I'm talking out of school a little bit from what I heard. He did that. So what I would like to say to all young podcasters out there is to, agencies are not going to be happy that they didn't get to wet their beak on that thing. So agencies are not going to build up your podcast.

So now what I'm looking for agents to do is when they sign young actors and comedians, is they're going to try to get in between the podcast and the money coming in. It's going to be their move. And they're going to be like, we're going to help you build it. We represent this person. We can get advertisers in.

And then once again, your money is going to go to them. And then they're going to pay you with their name on that check, which opens the door for you not being able to steal from them. And they can just rob you fucking blind. So if there's any young comics out there watching this, don't ever give up the rights to your podcast. Don't you build the whole fucking thing yourself and even if you have fucking one tenth as successful

as what they're saying, Rogan got, you're doing pretty fucking good. It's true. It's a good point. Good advice. I had one last question. I'm curious this from a comic standpoint. Where are you going to go with, everyone's

going to have coronavirus bits. What's the play? Are you going to be like, everyone else is doing it? What the fuck do I need to do it? Or are you going to make fun of everyone else doing it? I'm fascinated because you know that's like, someone's, there's going to be a bunch of specials next year where there's going to be 20 minutes of coronavirus stuff

and jokes. Is that even gone through your mind through all this? Well, listen, when you're a true original like myself, you always have a unique take. I love you guys just pause there like, oh my god, is this guy serious? No, yeah, you're serious. You are.

I'm going to go on. I have it. When I'm going to go on with a hazmat suit because I don't think anybody's going to think to do that, right? I'll have the sleeves pulled up like they did in the 80s with their sport coat and I'll tape a mullet to the back. And what's the deal with corona? Was that crazy or what?

That's the beginning. I can't give away the punchlines. I mean, that's a lot. I think that's most of the gag right there. Is that what's the deal with corona? Are we talking about a survey or what? I would say this. I would say this.

When comedy clubs open up, there's going to be the show within the show. And that's what I'm going down there to watch, which is a bunch of rusty ass comedians going up there. And I feel like everybody's going to get knocked down. Like if you were a headliner, you're going to get knocked down to feature. If you're a feature, you're going to be doing the job

like a new Jack host does. It's going to be a rough one. So it's going to be, I don't know. I'm just hoping that it comes back. That's all I'm hoping. Rather than later. I've heard that some comedians are doing like Zoom sets to work on new material.

And that sounds like absolute hell. Because most of what you want to get out of practicing this set is like figure out what jokes are landing, when the timing's working, and when it's not. And you don't get that at all from a virtual audience. That's exactly right. Great point. I don't know how to do that.

I'm just like, I don't know what I'm going to do. I'm just going to fucking, when they say it's OK to go back on stage again, I'm going to go back on stage. I did do stand up for 28 years. I think I can take 28 weeks off and not forget how to do it. But I don't think I'm going to be as good. So I've already talked to my agent about local gigs, where I can just, there used to be this great theater down

the street that just got turned into another fucking luxury apartment building. But I would go down there and I would just do like a free show. People just show up or whatever. The venue would charge a little bit of money, but I wouldn't make them pay me. And I would just go up and just work the shit out. There's a thing, man, it's very fickle business.

So you can't ever fuck over the people that are coming to see you. So I wouldn't make people pay to see a rusty me. And yeah, so I think that's the way I'm going to go about it. Just come out there and just swing away for 20 minutes or so. Have a few other friends do it. Then the next night, do 30 and just try to get it up and going. It's fucking killing me, man, because I had a new 90 fucking minutes.

And the other day, I was walking around and some line from it popped in my head. And I tried to think of what came before it and after. And it was just nothing. It was like I just found like this fucking artifact. So I don't know. We'll see. Last, last thing, little good news for you.

NHL has announced that their regular season is over and they're about to do a 24 team tournament in two host cities to be named later. So it looks like it's coming back. It looks like good progress. When does it? Yeah. So it's actually a cool setup.

So basically the Blackhawks made the playoffs somehow. Thank you. So the way they're doing it is the bottom teams play a five game series and then the top teams play a round robin. Top four teams play a round robin for a playoff seeding. So it's kind of cool. Yeah, that's that's great news. I didn't.

When does that start? They didn't announce the start time. They're still figuring out where this where they're going to play. So there's 10 hub cities that they're deciding between Vegas, Toronto, Chicago, Columbus, Edmonton, Dallas, LA, Minnesota, Vancouver and Pittsburgh. So there'll be an Eastern Conference City and a Western Conference City. Play them all there.

24 team tournament. That's a opening round five game series is electric. That's going to be great. That sounds amazing. They used to have that. And what would happen was that a number four could knock up a number one. No problem. I was the first the first Bruins game I ever went to was in 1983.

And we won the fucking whatever the trophy was for having the. What's the one we did? We got the most points. Oh, president's job. I'm very familiar with that. We won whatever the fuck it was called back then. We won that and we went up against the Montreal Canadians. And of course, you know, it's back when we could never beat them.

They came in and they just fucking swept us. We lost the first one because we're like, this is a year. We're finally going to do it. We're finally going to beat them in the form. And they came in the first game, kicked our ass. And you know, it sucked was we went there with the French exchange students. That's how I got the tickets through my French class that I was taking. And they all rooted for the fucking Canadians.

That was it. That was a good Bruins game. That is into a fight. Was that with Ray Bork? Ray Bork was there. Still wearing number seven Pete Peters. So I think won the Vesna trophy that year. We still had Peter McNabb, Rick Middleton, Ken Linsman.

I want to say Wayne Cashman might have been his final year. He might have retired by then. Stan Jonathan, that was that overlap from the Terry O'Reilly was still there. Yeah. Yeah, it was a while ago, but like Gila floor, I think was still playing. Was he? I think he was still with them. Yeah.

It's not like that. Long time ago. I'm really excited that sports is coming back. That's awesome. That just made my day. 2014 playoff format. Huge. Huge.

All right, so there we go. Bill, you brought that back. You coming on brought that back. Bill brought sports back and he's winging Oscar. Yeah. And when we run this interview on Monday, everyone's going to be like, holy shit, old news, guys. Oh, by the way, Epister family also season four also comes out June 12th.

There we go. We're going to put that one out. And I'm going to get to plug one thing. I'm moving June 12th. So it's a big day for all of us. There's a bunch of stuff. I don't think there's going to be enough room on the front page with you. What a day.

What a day. All right, Bill. Well, thank you as always, man. It's always, always fun and we'll talk soon. Take care. Hey, I love you guys, man. I love everything you're doing. So keep doing it.

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OK, we now welcome on a very good friend of ours and a guy who we really respect his opinion. It is Arian Foster, recurring guest Arian Foster. So Arian, we obviously are a podcast that, for the most part, just jokes around, doesn't really take anything serious. When this entire weekend and past week has happened, PFT and I were talking like we can't just stay silent. We have to talk about this. So we thought having an actual discussion with someone who has some profound thoughts

and likes to have these discussions would be great. So we appreciate you joining us. I think you're also somebody that is way more well-educated than Big Cat and I in the intricacies of this situation. So I guess I wanted to just let you kind of start off with like what have you, what's your, what have you been thinking? What has been going through your mind? What is your kind of take on how everything's unfolded the last week been?

Right. Well, first, I appreciate y'all having me on and I appreciate you guys using your platform to even have these kind of conversations because our social fabric in America is that it's built upon having these conversations and it leading to progression. But am I feeling on, I mean, this is a lot, it's kind of a loaded question, but- Yeah, sorry. No, you're good. Our current state in America right now, it's something that's been bubbling for decades,

right? Everybody knows the racial, well, I reluctantly say that because everybody should know the racial history of America and how it operates in America and still reverberates throughout every asset of American life, particularly black life. And so watching all these events unfold, you start to see factions formed, you start to see sides being taken and that's natural to me, that's not, I don't see a problem with that, but the problem lies in the resistance to the progression that people want to have happened in society.

And so just to lightly answer your question, man, I feel it's like it was coming. I ran a podcast, I haven't dropped one in a long time, and I was constantly saying that something's bubbling in America, and I don't know if this is the overflow of it, but this is a part of American history, and this is a part of America's history. It's a reoccurring theme, protests, violence, it's just a part of who America is until it addresses its shortcomings. Yeah, yeah, I think what I've been seeing is that there's almost a loss of focus on what the real problems have been over the last, you know, even five or six years, right?

So anytime something like this, if it's police brutality, if it's marginalization, something comes into the national light, and pretty quickly, at least on the internet, we move on to the backlash to the person that's bringing up the problem, or to the person who's had some sort of injustice inflicted upon them. We move on really quickly and then we start getting mad at the people who are mad at it, and then we get mad at like one small detail about how somebody's protesting it, and then all of a sudden we've lost complete focus on what we were originally talking about to begin with.

For example, I feel like we had this conversation back when Ferguson was going on, and there were some actual concrete plans for how to change things and how to make small steps, but people stopped listening at some point along the way. People stopped listening when the suggestion was made that, hey, maybe the same district attorneys that work hand in hand with the police departments and need these relationships to continue to do their jobs moving forward. Maybe they shouldn't be the same individuals that are responsible for whether or not to charge how the cases proceed, the location of the venue, that sort of thing.

It feels like we had something for a second, which was a concrete plan of action which could be institute some independent oversight into these situations, so you remove the incestuousness relationship there for any crime that involves a police officer, but we forgot about that because we got mad about how people were protesting, and then we got mad at the people who were mad about how people were protesting, so I guess my question, I don't have any answers, I don't know how, but I feel like we need to do a much, much better job of focusing on what people are telling us is the issue and believing them and then addressing that issue instead of getting worried about all the bullshit that follows it.

Right, I mean, it's a great point you bring up. The issue has always been that, right? If you're a student of history, that's one thing that is consistent, is that if you look back at every single protest, there is now a position saying this is not the right way to do things, right? Every single one, be it currently or historically, if you look, racist people love to quote Martin Luther King Jr. They love him now, but in the 60s and the civil rights movement was going on, they hated him.

Racist people hated MLK, he was an agitator, he was being phoned tapped by the FBI, Quintel Pro actually happened, right? So it's easy to have a 2020 in hindsight with these issues, right? But like I said, I'm a student of history and it's following the exact same pattern. They're saying, diluting in the rioting, this is not the way. I agree with your message, but this is not the way. In 2016, when the select few of us knelt for the national anthem to bring up these very same issues that are plaguing us, what was the rhetoric?

I agree with what you're saying, but this is not the way. So you don't like peaceful protests, you don't like violent protests. What is it that you accept? It comes upon time where we have to realize that they don't accept the premise that it's a problem. And if that's the case, these builders burners is what you're going to get. Because if you don't feel like that pain or that death is a problem, what other means of communication is there in American history other than revolt?

This country was built on revolt. This country was built on rebellion. And you're going to tell me that it's un-American or it's not the right way. I call bullshit. And this is what you get. So the NFL aspect, I saw your tweet and it makes perfect sense. I mean, the fact that there was so much backlash to Kaepernick and you had people saying, you know, the national anthem is not the time.

And now those same people are saying, peace will protest the only way. Do you feel, did you see that coming? Or do you feel betrayed at all by, or did you expect that out of the NFL to now release a statement being like, oh yeah, we support people who are upset about George Floyd? Yeah, nah. I've been on the record talking about the NFL for a long time. Ever since the Ray Wright stuff happened, when Ray Wright was kind of black ball from the league for domestic abuse, right?

This was at the height of my career. And they suspended him for a year or something like that. And I grew up in a domestically violent household. And so that particular subject hit home to me. And what I was trying to reiterate to Roger Goodell, which I wrote a long letter to him, couldn't get ahold of him, couldn't get on the phone with him, insanity in that aspect. But I was basically telling him that you have an opportunity to have a national conversation about domestic violence, because domestic violence isn't an NFL football player problem.

Cops do it. Firemen do it. Military people do it. Doctors do it. Domestic violence is a civil rights issue, right? And so you have an opportunity to have a platform to have these conversations instead of hiding from it. So the NFL has a track record of being reactionary rather than proactive.

And this is exactly what they're doing right now. They're doing it. They're saying that they're with the protest. They're saying it because it's safe to do so now. It's very safe because you have the people on the side, on your side. But it's not about that. It's about retroactive stuff now. Okay.

If you're really with it, then condemn the ownership that has black ball cap. Condemn the ownership that has funded and backed publicly a man that is calling these same protesters thugs and calling for civil unrest. Call that out because these bland statements of we want justice, what the fuck does that mean? And what does that mean? Like do something that's not popular or that will affect your bottom dollar to let me know it's real.

Because if not, you're just playing status quo. Society always is leaning towards progression, right? As time goes on, it gets more progressive. So what the NFL thought four years ago is not how they thought think today. And that's because of the progress made by Kaepernick's protests and all of the work that has been done. So in order for them in my eyes to be genuine, they're going to have to walk some of that shit back and call some of these owners out.

Do you, I also saw you treat it and I really like this part because sometimes it feels like I don't know what to do because I'm not, you know, I'm a white guy and I will flat out admit that life has been a lot easier for me, will continue to be a lot easier for me. No one really wants to hear my take on this, but I did love your tweet where you're like small victories matter and you can get exacerbated. So like what are some of the small victories that people should be looking to to be like, hey, you know what, because I, I agree with you.

I think the NFL has changed a little bit in the last four years. It's not big, but I think that they've at least changed a little bit of their mentality and like it slowly happens. And eventually you get to a point where people won't allow the same things that happened 10 years ago, 20 years ago to happen today, 10 years from now, 20 years from now. Right. Well, that's, that's the, that's the kind of curse of being human is, is, is you, you're trapped in the, in the now, right?

And so when you're trapped in the now, it's hard for you to see that you are part of a collective and we are all part of this collective society and this basically human experiment of America. This is a big social experiment. And so when you look, when you view the world from that lens, it becomes very, very clear. But when you view the world as, as just right now, this is when you get the issues that you have going on. So people are, are saying, I understand the frustration of like, yo, I'm fucking tired

of marching. I'm tired of talking to these people, like from protesters who are just like, they want to go out and call. So I understand where they're coming from. Right. But what they have to understand is, and people, and people against protests as well, what you have to understand is you're, you're a part of a long lasting history of America. And your part in it plays a huge role.

Every single part of it, two white men with one of the biggest podcasts on the globe, talking about racial issues, wanting to hear from somebody who is black is a big part of it. Right. Every single person has a, has a part in it. We're not going to fix racism by the time we die. It's not going to happen. This has been going on for millennium. And so all you can do is your part, fix your world.

Like it sounds super corny and cliche, but it's the truth. And those small victories add up over time. Like I, I get in, you know, because amongst our community, we talk amongst ourselves all the time about solutions because everybody's like, well, I'm tired of marching. What about, what are we going to do to change it? Like you're not going to change it. All you can do is fix small things at a time. I get in arguments with people all the time, but what did CAPS protests do?

CAPS protests brought a national conversation to the forefront of the world, really, to the world. And if, if not only that, that it was, it was, it was productive, but it didn't just do that. It changed political discourse. Now social justice, listen to the 2008 democratic primaries and then listen to the 2020 democratic primaries. Well, social justice has taken a huge step forward and it wasn't just CAP, but CAP had

a big part in that. So to answer your question, a lot of people get caught up in the now, like they want, they want legislation to change tomorrow. It's not going to happen. People have been, this system has been instituted for hundreds of years. It's not going to happen tomorrow. Has to happen by slow change, legislatively, but also consciously from a public, right? Like all legislation is, is our thoughts on paper.

That's all it is. So the zeitgeist of meaning the overall feeling of, of Americans is what changes legislation. So the culture has to fill the shock and all before anything has to happen. And that's, and that's why it's so important like shit like this, having conversations with people that you don't necessarily frequent. Right. Yeah. I think a big problem in white America, and maybe I'm speaking from personal experience,

has been the fact that a lot of white people feel like it's worse to be labeled a racist than racism is. Does that make sense? Like the last thing any white person wants to think about themselves or be called is a racist, but I think it's time to have an honest conversation with ourselves and say like everybody, I think most people of most races have prejudices. We come with our prejudices depending on where we grow, grew up, who we grew up around. These are our natural personalities.

We all have these prejudices. So yes, we are all, we all have elements of racism. If you think if you're one of those people that say, oh, I don't see color at all, then you're a fucking liar because that's the most ignorant thing you can say is nonsense. It's absolute nonsense. So like maybe it's time that we need to have a conversation with ourselves and say, yes, these are the elements of my life. These are the views that I have that contain harmful prejudices or elements of racism.

And here's how they can be changed. One of the things that has been driving me crazy is like wrestling with the fact that everyone wants, there's basically like a checklist. If you don't tweet something, then you're complicit, but I'm not tweeting anything because I think Twitter is a cesspool. And the minute I tweet something, the first reply, we talked about this before you came on Arian, the first reply is always someone hijacking my conversation. So someone's then taking away.

And so like people will say right now, their response to, hey, this is a fucked up thing happened. They'd be like, well, white people get killed by cops too. And it's like, but that's not what that's not what we're talking about right now. So like that's the kind of what you're saying. Right. Their response won't be simply like, you know what? This is fucked up.

We've got to figure it out. People never want to feel like they're the bad guy in any situation. And sometimes guess what? Newsflash, you are the bad guy. I am the bad guy sometimes. Like the issue. Yeah. The issue is when, when, when racist people think of racism, they don't necessarily,

like it's a, it's a, it's a very small percentage of racist people that think of themselves as racist, like in the terms of the Ku Klux Klan, where they'll openly admit white people are more superior. Like that's not how racism works. And anybody who studies this shit understands this, right? When you talk to sociologists and economists, like anybody who studies this shit understands like that's not how racism works and operates, right? And that's the problem.

The problem is it's hard to even point out people's racism because they don't view it as racist. A great case in that is this, the, this recent case, right? It's perfectly outlines what it is. That lady that called the cops on, on the birdwatch and do, um, so you can say Karen, you can say Karen. Is it Karen? It's not, it's not a bad word.

So she calls the cops on his dude and she weaponizes the police against the black man. Right? So what, what, what does that mean? She said, I'm going to call the police on it. What does that mean? It means she understands very well the relationship between black people and the police in this country. She, she understands that not only does she understand that she understands that when

that police officer comes, he's more than likely going to have a high percentage of assuming guilt for the black man right away. So she understands that dynamic, right? And then when all that transpires and all that's done, she then turns around and her apology says, but I'm not racist, right? She doesn't view herself as racist. That's how racism works. Right?

And, and I was having a conversation with, with some of the cats that when we first decided to nail, there was like a legalized text conversation about should we do it or should we not do it? I ended up leaving it because a lot of them didn't want to. Um, so I was, I was telling them, I was like, our, our fathers and our grandfathers had a very hard fight. Right? They had to fight.

My father had to be inside like before the lights was on, like there was martial law in Los Angeles. My grandfather, of course, was a part of Jim Crow. Like they had a very hard fight, but I was explaining to him how our fight is actually a little harder, not in the sense that we, that we haven't progressed as a society, but in the sense that we're fighting a blind enemy. I have to convince some of my people that there's still a fight to be had. Right.

I have to convince racists that they're racist cause they don't see it. Right. So these dynamics working against the common good is the issue. And until we address that, like you have to have a real conversation. Just like you said, prejudice is a, to me, it could be a very positive and healthy thing. I don't necessarily think prejudice, prejudice is being prejudiced is a bad thing. As long as you don't bring any extra baggage to it, like, like saying Asians don't drive well, like it's a funny joke, right?

It's, but it's, but it's a prejudice thing to say. Like it can, it can be a gateway to understanding an entire culture, right? If you use it in the correct way. But the issue is the negative stereotypes that we bring to our prejudices actually harm people. And that's, and that's, and that's when racism comes to the party, right? So when you say, um, black people are less intelligent, right? When you start saying things like that, that's when, that's when that's when it becomes dangerous

because how racism works here is you might not think you're racist, but you start to believe in some of these stereotypes. Then you become, uh, um, a, uh, a conduit to, to the oppression, right? Because what you're then doing is you're saying it's okay. Then you're doing, you, you, you agree with it, but then say you're in a position of power, say you can hire people, say you can do whatever the, whatever the case may be. You are then in a position to do harm a police officer, right? Everybody after study says a black man is more, um, view, excuse me, viewed as more harmful

than a non black man, right? These stereotypes harm people. That's how racism works. They think it's just a little bias, a little prejudice. It is, but when, when it, when you bring that into the real world, that's how that should operate. So, and, and it's interesting that you brought that up because it becomes, it turns into actions and it turns into harmful actions and those actions beget more, uh, more like just bad

situations across the board because now you have entire generations of minority kids that grow up and they're afraid of police officers. When they get pulled over, they, their anxiety goes through the roof. They get nervous. They deal with these like mental issues as well that stacks on top of it and it's, it's a ripple effect and, um, like I'm, I'm starting to see it more and more. I also think that it's kind of bullshit that at least in our profession and you know, if you're a sports fan, you deal for the most part.

If you watch the NBA or the NFL, especially like your lives are invested, you care about these black men that are playing a sport for your entertainment, right? But the second they start to all share their, their shared experiences, a lot of people are so quick to just say, oh, bullshit and just like turn their ears off and not even listen. Like sports and you can't, it's, I was thinking about myself personally in that situation where it's like, I can't in good conscience interview a black person if I don't listen to what they have to say about their own experience.

I can't interview a black person and expect it to be a productive conversation about the sport they play or whether it has nothing to do with race whatsoever. If I'm also unwilling to ask that same black person about their experience being black in America. No, that's super dope. I mean, I think if progress is going to happen, we need white people like you. What, what, what is I don't, I don't, I don't want, so they're, they're going to be a bunch of people that are.

Oh no, tomorrow's going to be a show that are going to come at me and we're going to say white guilt and all this virtue signal or whatever. Right. Right. Oh, that's absolutely going to happen. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead.

Let me address that real quick because I hear that a lot from racist people and they'll say, I shouldn't have to feel guilty about being white. Right. I agree. You're conflating guilt with empathy. That's all it is. Like it saying I see black people struggling, right? Or I see the plight against a people of color is not the same as saying I'm, it's wrong

for me to be white in this country. Nobody's saying that's a straw man. Nobody is, nobody is propping that up as an argument at all. They're conflating guilt with empathy. All it is, is empathy. It's just like, it's not the exact same. It's not directly analogous, but it's very akin to like the transgender issue, right? And people misgendering them.

It's like, I used to be in the camp of like, yo, there's only two sexes, right? I don't want to get too deep into this because this is about something else, but it's kind of analogous where I used to be like, yo, there's only two sexes, right? Until I actually talked to one, to a transgender woman who let me understand her experiences and makes everything make perfect sense. And so it's like, although I don't feel how she feels, if that's how she wants to be called, why would I not do that just to ease her life? If that makes you have, I'll call you whatever you want to be called.

But to the point, it's, it's just me being empathetic. Right. If you say they hurt you, dog, I'm going to do everything in my power not to hurt you. Right. Period. Right. So, so yeah, I mean, I'm fully expecting to have to mute like a million people tomorrow because it will be just, oh my God, PFT and big cat with the white guilt, like holy shit.

Whatever. It's fine because I, that's a fantastic point by you. It's not, I'm not feeling guilty. I'm trying to learn. I'm trying to be a better person overall and understand. I spent all weekend with CNN on being like, I fucking hate seeing my country just ripped apart. Like this sucks.

And I don't know what to do. I would, what I think would help and I'm big in the belief that like there are people who are set in their ways, the people who treat us white guilt, by the way, we could do, we could send them a thousand dollars and be like, listen to this conversation and they still wouldn't, and they still wouldn't care. And we still couldn't change their mind. I'm more about changing people's minds who kind of just sit in that middle spot where they're like, what do I do?

Or I don't really understand this. So my question to you is, I know when I get pulled over, when I see a police officer, I'm more mad that I got pulled over. It's like, oh man, like they're probably going to yell at me for being on my phone while I'm driving when you or anyone you've, you know, your, your, your friends or family that you've talked to, what is that like? Like, what does that just feel like when you have an interaction with a police officer? All right.

I mean, it's a great question. So if a lot of the people that spew that rhetoric that what you said earlier, what you're going to get from your crowd is more, more white people are killed by black people, right? When you adjust for the population, it drastically changes. One, two, if any dead body by a, by a, by a government official doesn't bother you, like something should be wrong. Yeah. Yeah.

We're, we're born in a society where it's okay for a government to take a life. Yeah. Like that shit should bother you. But I mean, regardless of that point, how I explain this to my white brothers and sisters is this, is how often do you have a conversation or did you have a conversation with your parents about how to interact with police? It's probably very rare in your community, right? And so growing up, it was, it was known like this is how you interact with them, right?

The issue, one more before I go deep into one more issue with the more white people are killed than black people is it's the Ben Shapiro crowd, right? The whole facts over feelings crowd, right? It's an asinine thing to say when you're talking about social science, because when you're talking about, it's not physics. This is not calculations, right? When you're talking about social science and data, what are they doing? They're doing polling and they're doing research and they're doing accounts of like bodies, right?

So what does that not account for though? That does not account for anecdotes. That does not account for how can you quantify a police officer roughing you up? How can you quantify that? Who do you report it to? Where is that in your data? It's not how do you quantify decades of that? You cannot and you will not.

That's why police relations in inner city communities are bad. It has a lot to do with the drug war, has a lot to do with race issues on and on. But I just wanted to address that really quick. So it's a great point. It's a great point. Yeah, like the facts over feelings is what a lot of go to, you know, the chart that they everyone tweets and they're like, here are the facts, get your facts. It's like, this is not a strictly fact based thing.

And what you just said, they don't know how math works most of the time. Like they never want the disproportionate, right? The different size of population reporting it. Like you said, you can't you can't put a fact on something that doesn't get reported. Right. And then if you're on top of that, if they if they want more facts, if they want more facts, the Department of Justice did a study in 2000, I think it was 16 or 15, where they found inherent racism in the Chicago PD, in the Baltimore PD.

And I think it was like three or four more. There were they found inherent racism structurally inside of those police departments. Right. And so when you give them that, what do they say? They say, oh, the Justice Department, it's corrupt. Right. That's what Trump is banging. Right. It's the corrupt. So when the facts come out from your government, from the Federal Bureau of Investigations that say black people are, are, have more murder rates,

black people are less likely to get killed by police. Right. You accept those facts, but you don't accept the Department of Justice saying that there is inherent racism in the Chicago PD and in the Baltimore PD. Like you have to pick a side and any, any intelligible human being will understand that it is a nuanced conversation, that it's just you can't get one piece of that and say, yep, that's the answer. That's why this shit has been going on for decades and millennia.

And there's reasons to why, but it's all multifaceted. America is a melting pot. But we can talk about that shit all day. But I mean, to your point, I just want to add to what you just said. Like you can look at stats from like the street crime unit in New York City in like the 80s, early 90s, whatever that was. And you can see how many people were pulled over just because they were in the wrong community.

And so they pull them over just as a matter of principle, search them, all that stuff. And then that ripple effect that goes off of that. Those people then in turn carry around ill will to the police. They teach their children. OK, here's what happens. Here's how we're being discriminated against our community. And then that contributes to a massive, massive divide and a huge mistrust and a distrust between the community and the police.

That's not going to get any better. And that's something that will not show up in a graph. So feelings. Yeah. OK, you can say feelings don't count the same as numbers. They might actually count more because like there's so many people out there that are affected mentally by what has happened that it's going to contribute to violence in the future. And that's not. You don't see that. Absolutely.

And that's why that sentiment, that factual feelings sentiment in the context of social issues is just plainly stupid. It's very plainly stupid. And and data can be useful. Like, don't get me wrong. Data can be and is very useful. But to to to compartmentalize it as the the objective truth is just ridiculous. It's just it's not even like no social scientist even takes that seriously.

Right. And to me, like the reason why somebody like Ben Shapiro has a platform that he does is because he'll he'll he'll say a thousand times he's not racist thousand times, but he speaks the same language that Trump speaks insofar as he dog whistles to people who feel like that, who feel like this country is making me feel guilty for being white. That's dog whistling. That's the issue with that fan base. But I don't want to get you out of trouble with Ben Shapiro.

No, that's fine. I roast him all the time. I do an impression of him. But I also I also want to say that I also want to say that like our our listener base, I don't want to act like our listener base is going to listen to this conversation and hate everything that we're saying, because I think the vast, vast majority of them will listen to and be appreciative and hear what you have to say. I'm talking about the people who won't listen, but will still get mad. No, the people who are going to treat us white guilt aren't going to listen.

Yeah, they're going to they're going to tweet it without listening and be like, oh, look at them. They're fucking cocks and they won't even listen. So it doesn't even matter. Right. That's all good. I don't I don't mind. I don't mind offending those those people to the question. Yeah, to your point. So so I grew up and my father specifically told us how to interact with police.

When you get pulled over, you leave your hands on the steering wheel. You don't make any quick sudden movements. You don't reach for anything. These are the kind of conversations that we we were just so I didn't think anything of it because I mean, I only grew up in one household. So I was like, OK, everybody, it wasn't until I really started, you know, going to college and being interacting in other kind of communities where I was like, yo, y'all didn't have these kind of conversations.

That's that's wild to me. So you start understanding your role in society to to to another point. Why the facts over feeling stuff is kind of doesn't make any sense. Like when I was younger, there was like I said, I grew up in a domestically violent household. And so we got the cops called the neighbors called the cops on us, right? On the term what I was going in the house, it was loud. And the cops came in and my sister was on the phone.

And with my father, I think it was no, my mother, somebody. And she's what, 15 years old, right? And the cops said, put the phone down. He came in aggressive. He came up upset. And I'm at this point, I'm like 11, came in aggressive. He was like, he was like angry. And he's like, put the phone down.

She's like, no, I'm talking to my she's 15 years old, dog. And so she takes off running into her room. And I saw I saw this man, this grown man tackle her, right? And I'm 11 and I'm scram crying. I'm screaming and I try to run to go save on the other cop. Hems me up, right? Shit like that. When I was growing up in, when I moved to San Diego,

we had all our stuff in our car. And we drove, we were driving to LA to go visit my grandfather, who just passed. All right, my dog. But we're driving from San Diego to LA and we get pulled over by the cops. And police officer walks up and he goes, step out of the car. And my dad says, officer's just something that I did.

And he said, just step out of the car. And he turns to me and says, just do everything he says. And so he puts him out on a curb. And then a couple of minutes later, he pulls me out. He says, you step out of the car too. And we both sit on the curb. Father and the son sit on a curb. He makes us open a trunk.

We put all of our bags out of the trunk. He then takes all the clothes out of the bags, right? It's like two or three bags full of clothes. And apparently he was looking for drugs or something. I don't know. And fine what he was looking for. So he said, all right, you guys have a good day. I drove off.

And now as a father and a son sitting here packing clothes back into, it's just a degrading experience, right? And so that's what, so when, I was having a conversation with Tommy Lorne and she was explaining to me how she felt like the initial protest, the kneeling was disrespectful. And I was telling her that you don't have a monopoly on what it means to be American and how to feel in America.

And so when you see the flag and the Star-Spangled Banner and the stripes, you get a real visceral, feel-good feeling. I don't. I don't feel that shit at all. I don't. And you can't make me feel that shit. I wish I did feel that shit when I heard the Star-Spangled Banner National.

I wish I did, but I don't like the song. The flag, I'm real indifferent about the flag. I don't feel like this inherent, like I love to be an American. It's just not, and a lot of us feel like that. I'm very grateful for the opportunities that I've had. I'm very grateful for all of that shit. But the experience that I've had in America

does not make me feel all happy, happy, joy joy, like it does for you when you say I'm American. It's not the same. And that experience is valid. And what they're doing is they're trying to invalidate that experience. And any time you do that, you're going to lose that battle. Because this is how people feel.

You can't argue with emotions. And so you have to acknowledge that. And if you want any kind of, if you are for any kind of diplomacy, if you really want peace, like you say you do, then you'll listen. It's a great point. It's a fucking great point. Because it's just something that you don't,

like it really is what everyone goes to is don't disrespect the flag and don't disrespect the national anthem. And I definitely feel pride when I see the flag and hear the national anthem. And just hear you say, like, hey, that's not the exact emotion I'm feeling. That right there explains why people have so many difference of opinions online,

wherever they may be, because of the emotion that one singular thing that everyone assumes is exactly the same across the board is not. Here's another one. Here's another. It's a real quick one. But here's another one that when you bring it up to racist people, they're like, oh, shit, here we go again.

But it's a real thing. If you guys do your family history, like you're lineage, like you'll have a family crest, and you're going to know where you come from, and you're like, oh, this is where we're from. Oh, that's dope. That's awesome. That's cool.

It's probably just like a man thing to you. But when we do it, if I do it, it only goes so far. It goes to a slave owner. This is a real thing. And so that heritage, this is what I don't think people understand, is our heritage in America is racism. That's what it is.

I can't go back and trace my ancestors. I can't. It's cut off. So my last name Foster was a plantation owner. That shit is a real thing. It's a real trauma. And it's discounted. And it's millennia upon millennia.

And to me, it is the core reason why Black culture has been the mecca of entertainment and the mecca of music. It's because we translated that trauma through pain into that entertainment. It's why hip hop is the number one genre in the world. It's why you have sports. And we dominate that genre. That's why.

It's because we have used that vessel of entertainment to translate that pain. And all of this shit that you're seeing in these days, it's just reverberation from that. On top of that, it's not just race that's going on right now. And I think that's a bigger issue that needs to be talked about, not the bigger. It is an issue that needs to be talked about as well.

It's the economic turmoil that people are in. All of this shit is pent up frustration. It's just pent up frustration. But it all comes from the have nots. It all comes from people being frustrated. So you're either going to listen or you're going to beat them to death. And to me, we're all hypocrites to a certain extent.

Everybody is. But this hypocrisy, to me, is unforgivable. Is that you're not OK with people looting and burning buildings. That's not OK. You don't like the destruction of poverty. OK, cool. But you are OK with police resistance to that

and them being violent. You have to pick a side. You either like violence or you don't like violence. Fuck that. And that's where we're at right now. It's like you have people like, well, this is not the way. Unless you give me a solution, I don't want to hear from you. This is not the way.

What is the way? Yeah, there's never, ever going to be a time when somebody is going to agree with a method of protest that makes them out to be the bad guy. Like you look back, people were killed for registering people to vote in a legal manner. People have been killed. A dude got fucking cane to death, basically,

on the floor of the Senate while he was following Robert's rules of fucking order. You know, like it doesn't matter how proper your protest is at any given time. Like people are going to resist being called an asshole. And instead of addressing maybe what the root of the problem is. Right, and I obviously think that unnecessary violence

and destruction at some point, it's like what are we doing here? But you're absolutely right. When a police officer murders someone in broad daylight, the rules to society have been broken. So you can't then be like, let's put the rules back on by saying no destruction of property. Like the social contract is gone. Thousand percent.

You're holding untrained civilians to a higher standard than you are holding trained government officials. Yeah. And you have to check yourself. Like you have to understand the ramifications of what you're asking of your civilians. That is just not even a logical stance to take to me. I do want to say, though, that the people that are coming in

from like different neighborhoods like the Jake Pauls of the world up in Minnesota that are just like taking part of the looting for fun and destroying local businesses when you obviously are not connected to the cause or what the people are trying to protest. Like normal though. Yeah, but but but fuck you to Jake Paul is what I'm getting. Let me ask you this.

Yeah, yeah, I think we can all agree. Let me ask you this area and what like, you know, I know I have a couple of friends who are police officers and they're good people. And I do not think that every police officer is a terrible racist person that wants to kill people in cold blood. But what is the answer? Because like what is the what's the answer

from the police force perspective? Like how do they fix it? Because I do think it's on them to repair their relationship with society in general and the black community in particular. Right. So there's a there's a few there's a few remedies for what's going on. The first glaring one is you have to admit that there's an issue.

Right. You have to admit that there is a problem. And if you have a police department that does not feel like there's a problem, then the rest of what I'm about to say is no and void. So how do we how do we have justice in our in our in our society? So in order in order for this to happen, you have to have a system in which it is common place for there

to be justice. Right. So that has to be the norm rather than the protection of officers, which is what we currently have. You have the judges, the district attorneys all working for the same under the same umbrella. And so they're supposed to prosecute the people that are all having brunch with them.

It's not going to happen. Right. And so you have to have serious talks within the branch about making sure that these things are are cut off at the root of the systematic issue. And a part of it part of it is us as well. We have to learn our rights more for sure. But I don't want to I don't want to I don't want to that's

that's probably a conversation I have with my people. I lost my train of thought. Hold on. We're saying about how the relationship between like the district attorneys, that sort of thing. OK, so if you want to make a change, look inside. Right, right, right. There has to be justice and probably restorative justice

from and the consequences that the police face for these kind of things just aren't enough. And that was the initial spark of the entire thing of what kind of capital saying is that it's just it's just not enough. So if you want change, it has to start from there. Like there was a there was a march in Jersey. Right. Yes.

And this last couple of days where there was a march and the police officers joined them. Yes. What did I say? Yes. Yeah. I specifically was trying to retweet because no one's like it won't be on CNN. It won't be on NBC.

It won't be on Fox because they they do sell off of America is falling apart. I was like there was one in Flint, Michigan. That's an issue, too. There was one in Flint, Michigan, where it was like the police officer was talking and let's go march together. And it's like, yes, like these this is where when we say it's not all bad police officers.

These are the police officers we're talking about. Our Vito down in Houston kind of came out ahead of everybody else and we should be we should be promoting that. Like instead of saying it's not all police officers, then hoping that you just like promote the good ones, promote everyone who's trying to do it. They have to not be silent as well. They have to condemn that shit.

They have to. They have to not be something. Yeah. But like be loud. Yeah. Like be fucking loud, right? That is a huge issue. I mean, a huge, a huge part of it.

And it's it's about it's about accountability, but it's it's it's not it's not going to take place without it. To me, like the issue I have with people that have issues with the protests right now and really say, well, this isn't the way or looting doesn't do anything. I'm just calling bullshit. There's a there's time after time again in American history where rioting and looting has caused change in America.

Happens over and over and over again. I can cite time after time again, where that is the case. We love to quote Martin Luther King. We love to quote the civil rights movement because it was nonviolent. And that's just because it makes you feel good. That's that's the only reason why like pain is still pain and you can't mitigate that shit and you can't tell people how to feel. And you can't tell people that that shit doesn't work because it does.

So that's why, like, I'm not an advocate for looting. I'm not an advocate for burning the buildings. But I'm not. I'm also not saying don't burn the buildings. I'm saying feel how you feel. Like, fuck that building. Like, do you think like that man's family gives a shit about the target? Target came out and said, we're with the protesters. Like, we'll rebuild. We'll be all right.

Several small businesses have come out and said that shit. That's because they understand what's going on and what's at stake. The soul of this place is at stake and you have a divided place. And so if if if you really want this, the only thing is going to happen. Like, or else you're going to have a you're going to have a civil war. As this is what it is. Yeah, I would never put on a cape for target. If it's a Dave and Buster's, then I might have to.

I don't target, though. Yeah, like, hey, it's OK. We'll we'll fix the target. Yeah, I also think that there's something about the job, the very nature of police work that makes this a difficult hurdle to get over. And that's if you're let's say that you're one of the thousands of good police officers that wants to serve your community out there. The entire force is built on the understanding that every one of your fellow officers is going to have your back.

And it's very, very tough for police officers to speak out too forcefully. And that because that's the end of their career. A lot of times, then maybe no one else trust them. And so I I feel like the right answer to this is maintaining more independent oversight, because I don't I don't think that we're going to be able to count on every police officer to come out and speak forcefully against their their fellow co-workers for fear of retribution or just because it's something that they elect not to do yet.

No, and that's that's fine. Right. But that's the problem. Right. It's is if you don't if you don't want to speak out against injustices, then you're complicit. That's just how I feel. And that's how a lot of people feel is if you don't want to speak out against it, then you're OK with it. And if you're not OK with it, you go and say something.

Right. And and I'm not talking about tweeting about it, right? I'm talking about talking to your fellow officers about the shit. Along to your point, which is when I was losing my train of thought, I was like, what else can we do? It's like it's training. It's a hundred percent. It's like we have to change the training of our police officers. We have to we have to we have to have an emphasis on human value

and de-escalation rather than aggression. Like I've had buddies that have trained, too. And, you know, I'm pretty sure each police force is different. But the ones that I've talked to, they said, we're we're trained with the mindset of like leave. What did you say? He said, leave. He said, come home with the same amount of holes in your body that you that you went to work with.

He said, it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by six. Like that's the mindset police officers have. Like that's the mindset that they have. And so that a lot of the issue is legislation. Why? Why is there so many interactions with civilians anyway? Like a lot of these laws and stuff we have are just. We're just used to them. They're just they're just nostalgic.

Right. We don't we don't need all of this oversight. Like and this is this is a whole nother political conversation. Right. But a lot of the police interference isn't necessary. And and a lot of people probably want to agree with that one. But it's just the truth. Like if you look at like what the main cause of black people being in jail for or people of color in general is the drugs. It's it's petty petty drug crimes.

Right. And so that causes so much police interaction. If that's that's at a legislative level. So if if we could if we could somehow decriminalize these things, it will it will cause less or have a less than the probability of you interacting with police. Yeah. Because if you can freely walk around what we right in all over America, this it just drops the rate in which we are even having a common contact with each other.

And everyone's a lot more chilled out too. Yeah. So when the facts. But it's a multifaceted issue just to ask you a question. There's a lot of different things that we could we could do. But it takes the start of it like this just to have a conversation. Yeah. Are you are are you optimistic about the future? Because I spent this entire weekend just being sad, just being really sad about the state of everything and very pessimistic about

like I believe that things are going to get worse before they get better. I'm hope I'm wrong about that. But I would put myself in the category of pessimists right now. And I don't like I don't like feeling pessimistic. Are you personally feeling optimistic about things? About this particular subject. No. I think in. I think it's going to be a long time before real change happens.

I think this is going to continue to happen for a while. But I'm I'm a pessimist by nature. So I'm pessimistic about humanity. But I'm a pessimist because I want good. Like I want there to be good. And it bothers me. It keeps me up at night. And so I think how I deal with my pessimism is I just try to just do my part. Like fix my world.

Like I said, it's corn is like the Dalai Lama shit. But it's like in order for me to be a sane human being and not just be angry all the time. I just have to fix my world. Like what can I fix? What can I help? Like so there's plenty of things I've done for our communities. There's plenty of things I continue to do things I'm planning on doing in the future. And that's all I can do. I can't I can't fix this shit by myself.

But like I said, these kind of conversations make spark. Maybe maybe everybody that listens to it is like, fuck that dude's full of shit. Y'all are full of shit. But maybe one person is like, you know, that shit makes sense to me. And I'm going to go have a conversation with my family about it. And if if just because of that, it was worth it. No, that's pretty much my intention with this. I know that, like we said earlier, there will be some backlash.

There will be some people that will accuse us of virtue signalling whatever that means. But at the end of the day, and when I hit you up, I was like, I just want to listen. I just want to hear another, you know, the side that I'm not living myself. And I think that's what your point is exactly right. Like people, if you if you want to do something, a tweet really doesn't do much. It doesn't do shit. I hate that. I hate the fact that a tweet now becomes the like checking the box.

I tweeted so I'm good. I just want to listen and people should just listen. Let me interject right there. I I used to feel like that, too. Like I was like, social media shit isn't, you know, like, fuck, that shit isn't doing anything. But no, it does, though. You think so? Yeah. And I'm going to tell you why, man, because.

Prior to social media, you didn't know how people felt, right? And that's why there was a little bit of calm in our society. And the reason why it's so disruptive right now is because of social media. And it's because you can't really hide how you feel. It's like you kind of have to broadcast it unless you just take a neutral stance, right? Most most time, not the neutral stance is is is anti this movement. But tweeting and letting your following understand where you stand on a subject

can be comforting for them because there's people out there who are in places where they are the minority and how they feel. And and if somebody that they like and they love and they look up to and they listen to understands what they're going through, understands that, then that can change and keep them motivated to keep fighting that fight. And so I used to feel like that.

But it's like social media. It is real. Like people I was a man, this shit ain't real. Twitter is not a real. It's real, dog. This shit shit goes down on Twitter. Shit, you know what I'm saying? Like change happens on Twitter. News happens on Twitter.

A lot of shit happens on Twitter. People's careers get started. People's careers get ruined. A lot of shit happens because of social media. So it's like I would I would just interject that I understand your sentiment. It's like you'd rather just have a conversation. I understand it. And I'm not saying you have to tweet it. That's not what I'm saying.

All I'm saying is understand the other side of that is like social media. It is engaging in a way that that can be beneficial to to having empathy towards other people's cause. It's it's a good point. I probably also am like I just get so exacerbated when I do tweet something serious that it just gets like I said hijacked by the first reply, then becomes a conversation about something totally different. But you're I mean, it's it's a good point.

It matters. There are a couple of ways to look at that perspective. One is from what Ari and saying, which is there might be somebody out there that identifies what you say and what you put out there makes them feel better about their place, makes them feel supported. That's one side of it. The other side, I think is the one that Big Cat and I were alluding to where it's like, OK, you tweet something out and then there's a big argument

that just comes into your mentions and that's the focus of the conversation. Or it's yes, you said this, but why aren't you speaking out about this? And that's more on our side and how we feel about like OK, the expectations that would go along with like putting out a tweet. And I think a lot of people do put out a tweet just to feel better about themselves. Right. They check that box. We do a lot of stuff. I know Big Cat does. I certainly do like behind the scenes that we don't broadcast to everybody

because I feel like a lot of times if you're broadcasting every good thing that you do or every everything that you think is good that you do, then it just becomes, you know, for all the wrong reasons. Like you're seeking attention and that's not a trap that I want to get into. On a little lighter note, you had a tweet the other day. I think it was May 26. I want to ask you about this. I think it was May 20.

You knew the exact day. I haven't pulled up right. I think it was May 26 around three forty five. It was mid May 20s. It had something like 21 replies. These are gross. You got ratio 21 replies, one retweet, two hundred twelve likes. My internet tabs are everywhere.

Last three tabs. Lol. Tab number one, a Britannica article on why Nazis weren't socialists. Tab number two, article outlining the contingency contingency argument for God. Article three, a Google search on where to watch a blank man. So my question is, did you find out where blank man is? Because that movie whips ass. Absolutely, though.

It's on Amazon Prime, brother. There it is. Got it. Erin, this has been awesome, man. I really appreciate you doing this. It like honestly, not even for our listeners, for me personally, you've brought up points that I haven't even considered. And that's really all I'm trying to do right now is like, hey,

I didn't even think about that. I even think about that perspective. So this has been awesome, man. And we really, really appreciate it. And you're always welcome to value your, you know, your, your ideas and your thoughts and everything you've thought through. And yeah, we welcome you back. And also we still need to micro dose.

We need a micro dose to do a podcast. And I'm going to try to beat Alabama tonight with Tennessee. So we'll see. I will be there, brother. I will be there. I'll be watching. You did text me a couple of weeks ago. You're like, you're like, I'm a fan of Coach Duggs. I was like, all right, let's go.

Yeah, let's get it, man. I'm in Tennessee, I'm a martyr, man. So I'm rooting for you. Yeah. And I pay my players just so you know, I do. Yeah, I sent them some. So it's good. It's all good. Now, man, I appreciate you having me on, man, for sure. If if if you feel like you want to, because I never claimed to be like a social

like Jean, like it's not that's not, I just I just know what I know. And I researched what I researched and it affects my life. So I've just kind of taken upon myself to read upon it thoroughly. And so one of the greatest thinkers of our time currently, if you want to get more of that of our side of the of the of the aisle and that perspective, one of the most brilliant men walking and has been doing this shit for years, his name is Cornel West. You've probably heard of him before, but digging to his books,

digging to his catalog, listen to his speaks when he speaks. He's all he's on these shows all the time. He's really brilliant and he's really diplomatic as well. He's very he's not like divisive. Like he's not like fuck them and we're going to burn this. But he's just like our brothers and sisters are hurting. He, you know, he he he delivers it in a way that should soothe you. Nice. That's all I'll check it out.

A little homework for everyone. Cornel West. All right, Arian, thanks so much, man. We really do appreciate it. Pleasure is all mine, man. Is there anything you want to plug? You got a new album? It's coming out in the next month or so. It's getting mixed.

So just check just check my socials for that if you want. But if not, just follow me on on Twitch, man. I'll be I'll be streaming politics. I'll be streaming video games. I've been playing Valorant. I don't know if y'all play that game yet. No, we got to we got to we got to do a Twitch collab now that we're all on Twitch.

We'll definitely play some video games. Let's do it. Yes, I'm here, bro. All right. Thanks, man. Yeah, it'll be easy, man. Much love. Thank you. Yes, sir. That interview with Aaron Foster was brought to you by Shady Raise. They're my favorite sunglasses. I'm wearing a pair right now.

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This is whiplash. Oh my god, you guys remember when I got to a Twitter beef with him? Yeah, about killing a wolf. Yeah, dude, he's such a vegan. I don't think he is anymore, though. Yeah, of course he's not. He realizes he's a fraud. I love how you use vegan as like a total pejorative.

Like he's a fucking vegan, dude. What a loser. Dude, don't don't trust the man made up of plant proteins. I'll tell you that he's not a vegan anymore. So but yes, it is whiplash. Billy Football, deep dive with Billy Football. We don't know what we're talking about this week. So why don't you go ahead?

OK, OK, OK. So PFC, don't answer this. How many great apes do you guys know? Great apes. So you just wait. You just want Big Cat to answer. Or Hank, whoever. It's a little too soon, Billy.

What is a great? I don't even know what a great ape is. Are you talking about like gorilla? Yeah, yeah, like like like apes, like name all the apes you know. Gorilla, orangutan. Mighty Joe young. No, like species. Monkey.

Probiscous. Spider monkey. Chimpanzee. All right, all right, so. First of all, Nate. The hottest new ape on the biological spectrum is the Bonobo. OK. So let me tell you about this.

No, no, no. You're doubting me right now, but listen to this. These chimps were so horny that they made a new species for them. They fucked their way into an entire into a new DNA sequence. No, no, legitimately, they are so freaky that like biologists were like, these aren't regular chimps. We got to make a whole new thing because they're just

like out of control. The Andrew, like the Andrew Wiener of the great apes. Exactly. So he's not a human. He's a different species. So Anthony Wiener is my bad. So these, they're called dwarf or pygmy chimpanzees, like their proper term, but most people call them Bonobos.

And they're the only, they're actually our closest living relatives. And they're the only other species that kisses and makes love face to face. Whoa. Wow. The Dothraki don't even do that. Holy shit.

They like, they know Mishare. If you just watch Game of Thrones. Go ahead. Sorry. Don't listen to us. No, don't worry, don't worry. No, I know. I told you not to worry.

Oh, OK. The, the, so, so the, so like the chimps, so the Bonobos, they, they share 98.7% of our DNA, which is more than chimps, more than gorillas. And these guys have governments made up on sex. What? Yeah. So, so like, so like there's a, there's a head honcho female

who like, and then all the other dudes are simps. And she's the, she's the alpha because all the male Bonobos sent for her and they have huge orgies. And like, instead of like a group of Bonobos, we know the group of Bonobos, they don't fight. They just make love. Whoa. That's pretty sick.

Wait, so Billy, where, where did the, where did this happen? The Democratic Republic of Congo. But when? When, well, like, how do you, you're saying as a new species? Yeah. So in, so the scientists in like, so they were historically called the pygmy chimpanzees. So they're like, they're like, oh, they're just like small chimps. And then scientists started like spending time with them.

And they're like, what the hell? Like these guys are not like chimps at all. So they were discovered in 1928. And then they're like, in the 1915s, 1950s, they're like, yo, these are not regular chimps. These guys are freaks. They're nymphos. Like, what are these things?

Like, what the hell? Like imagine, like, you know, when they're like wandering in the jungle and you're like, oh, we're going to find like this giant King Kong ape and like these like new species. Like, yeah, it happens all the time. Several times. Yeah. Last weekend, actually. Dr. Livingston.

That's where he goes on vacations. Yeah. Like we're about to find the missing link. They're going to be super cool humans that like have this whole civilization. But no, they found a bunch of super horny chimps that like have their own governments. And like, they also know how to use drugs. What?

They self-medicate. They have their own like shamans. Like there's one shit, one bonobo in the group, like knows all about like the different herbs around their environment. Where do they get high on? There's like, they get high on different roots and shit. Which they have a drug dealer. They have one drug dealer.

They have a drug guy. They have a drug guy, dude. These guys are so like more highly evolved than us that they like didn't have to like. Well, no, we have a PFT. Yeah. We have a drug guy. Yeah. PFTs are like drug, drug bonobo. I'll take it.

I think it's the worst. Legitimately. And they also know how to make fire, dude. We also know how to make fire, though. So they know how to make fire. Yeah, dude. So they have sex for three reasons. Pleasure, bonding and peacekeeping.

And like they so like they also do like all sorts of sex, like like homosexual, group sex. They do. So like the cowgirl, the males are documented sword fighting while hanging from the branches. What? Like with their pinnacles. Yeah, with their dicks, right? Yeah, like docking type shit.

You guys know that, dude, it's insane. Holy shit. I'm looking at a picture right now. Bonobos made it. How does it look like the pants? How does the pants come in? Listen to this. Listen to this. Yeah. Wait, this is them fucking.

This is the orgy. She's faking it. That was fake. It's hot. Now we're just watching. Is this a legal or is this a crime? Billy, how do they go about choosing their queen? So bad, bad radio, bad radio.

No, monkey porn. It's it was good. No, dude, that was legit. I have Bonobos doing it. Five. Was it four guys and one girl? Or was it one? There's one like like queen that they all stand.

And then there's a bunch of simps. And that's how it works. Right. Right. So how do they choose the queen, though? They choose the queen by like the females like bang to get to the top. And then whoever like uses sexual biggest body to get to the top. Like Khaleesi Khaleesi is a perfect example.

She had three dragons. That's that is not a perfect example. Well, they had three drug guys. It's so it's like, I mean, whatever queen has the highest body count, Billy. I I let me. Yeah, let me wait. Let me look something. Female adults dominate Bonobos. Bonobos societies and some

reachers say the constant humping is a way to reinforce social ties. But they also resort to sex in times of stress or crisis. When a group of Bonobos encounter a new food source, another band of Bonobos or a problem that requires a cooperation, they don't freak out. They get freaky. They just have sex. It sounds like they just live in Coachella. They just hang out, get high as shit and bang.

I if I wonder if they make music because legitimately like this is a EDM festival just but like their entire existence. I want to be a Bonobo. Yeah. I mean, honestly, they're not they share 98.7 percent of our DNA. So like 98.7 percent of us is just Bonobos. And I think we should unite as a people under that guys. We're all Bonobos on the inside. Yeah, we are. I mean, you described Las Vegas, basically.

They live in I saw everyone's problems. This is I mean, this is incredible. I'm looking at them right now. They're just they're just living the best life of all time. Dude, they're legitimately like like pan paniscus is their Latin name. Anyway, so they give head to, huh? Yeah, they do all sorts of shit. They thought everything they're freaky.

They're like smart enough. They use basically they got higher intelligence than your average chimpanzee. And all they did was use it to figure out different ways to bone, get high and like, chill. Let me see if they make music. How did the how the pants store come in play, though? I have no idea. I don't get free ads.

Yeah, yeah, no, we don't do that to their do that. But so I think it's literally just to Bonobos. Just fucking raw dog. It's missionary. But not really. They're kind of standing. Oh, yeah. She's got her hands kind doing like the when the when the when they're when they're in like the kitchen, the pipes reach around like, oh, let me help with that pipe. And then they start fucking on the countertop.

That's kind of what this Bonobos is doing right now. These these two of these alpha chimpanzee, the alpha Bonobo girls should have a podcast. And just talk about different ways because they could teach us all. You think that actually. And not only that, three thousand, they'd never break up, right? Because it's a matriarch, not a patriarch. So there would never be a suit man that comes along

and tries to tell them what to do. There's always one queen. Yeah. Fuck you, simpsuit man, get out of here. I love it. No trust you. What happens to all the female Bonobos that don't attain the the ranking of queen sex? They go they go and they poach other males. They basically run around the jungle.

Be like, oh, is your queen not giving you enough attention? We're going to form a new harem, reverse harem together and form a new band. So that's what they do. That's amazing. So are there Bonobos in zoos in the United States? Can we go see the Bonobos? Yes, honestly, OK, I actually. So the Bonobo exhibit, I now I had a flashback to my childhood. We were in the Bronx Zoo last week.

I think it was the Bronx Zoo or it was another zoo. Anyway, we weren't allowed to go to the exhibit. It was too hot for TV, too hot for little kids. Too many questions would be raised. What are they doing? I hope they live in like a room with shag carpeting and it was like funk guitar going on all the time, dim lights, candles. But also, there's like chimpanzees don't go into their habitat.

Like, think about that. The chimps are literally walking through the jungle and be like, oh, shit, this is Bonobo land. It's a red light. Even though, yeah, even though they're like so much bigger and stronger than the Bonobos, because the Bonobos are pygmies, the chimps are like, we don't fuck around with these people. Like, let's get away from them.

Right. So do they use sex toys? Do they masturbate? I don't. I guarantee probably they don't have these tools. Probably a banana. If they can make two. Banana would sit. Yeah, anything rock. If they can make tools to like make fire and do drugs, they definitely do that.

Yeah, true. Like, that's how they're geared. Billy, I'm going to say this, man. This has been fascinating because I had no idea that the Bonobo monkey. I when we started this, you asked me to rank my great apes and I couldn't even name more than three. Exactly. And now Bonobos are clearly number one.

Absolutely. Bonobos are the goats of apes. Billy, I have something for you that I want you to do. Are you free to come in on Wednesday? I am free all week. OK, all right. So you're going to come in on Wednesday. And I just thought of this idea of PFT because Billy is our

resident deep diver and history buff. Wednesday, we are hosting Kentucky Sports Radio. We do it every year. It's it's one of our favorite days of the year. I don't I don't want you to talk that much, but I want you to be in studio because I want you from now until Wednesday. I want you to read as much as you can read about the state of Kentucky. And we're going to have our Kentucky collars try to stump Billy about Kentucky.

OK, OK, you're not going to read. Are you? No, I will. Like I'm saying everything. I want you to know Kentucky front and back. I want you to look at maps. I want you to know all the main rivers. Yeah, I want you to know, like, and I want you to know, like this history of Kentucky sports, I will allow you, Billy,

you can bring in one flash card full of information that you can write down. Five by eight, both sides, five by eight, both sides. OK, you can write down as much information as you want. It has to fit on there. Otherwise, you have to use your brain and that flash card. And you know what, we'll give, you know what, I'll even throw in an extra thing. We'll we'll be giving something away, maybe a T-shirt or something, the person who stumps you best or something.

I don't know. We'll figure it out. Billy versus the state of Kentucky. Yes. I'm taking on all calls. So when we take a call, they're just going to ask you a question. It's not going to be long, but it's going to be a question. Your answer. Then we're going to take the call. OK. All right. I'm going to bring a bucket of Kentucky fried chicken, too. Just just to just to get in their head.

Actually, Billy, here's now my brain is really churning. You have to come up with a list of questions about Kentucky as well. So they'll ask you a question. You could ask them a question. Bluegrass. Yeah. Right. That's a thing. So you quiz. So you quiz them. They quiz you and you see who gets more of the other person's.

If I get one wrong, then I hit them with a question. If they can't answer it, it'll be three. I think both sides get three. We don't want him to talk too much. OK, so both sides get one. It's it's on aggregate. Both sides get one. Billy is taking on the entire state.

Yes, he can't he can't it's either it's a win, lose or draw. Like if he gets a question, he gets it right. And they get their question right. It's just a push and we go to the next person. What do you know about Kentucky right now, Billy? I know I know chicken. I know I know the Kentucky Derby. You know that they use steroids on resources.

I know that there's bluegrass. Yeah. And I know that it's quite. I know that there was a big foot scene in Kentucky. OK, we're going to forget. Let's forget that part. OK. Also, if I if I beat Kentucky, I want to go to Kentucky and I want them to serve me chicken. We're going to give you the key to the state of Kentucky.

You're going to become the mayor, the mayor of the entire state. Oh, I want to be a colonel. I want a colonel. Oh, you want to be a Kentucky colonel? Yeah, we'll make you a colonel. We will make you a Kentucky colonel by the powers bestowed to me by guest hosting a sports radio show. Yes. Oh, my God, I'm so hyped.

Yo, PFC, remember that the stuff you're saying about the New York rats cannibalizing each other? Yeah, I do. Have you ever heard the legend of Rat Island? No. So Rat Island is an island right next to Rikers Island. And I think it's long on a sound. I'm not sure the exact body of water. Anyway, so you know how they got rid of all the rats on Rat Island? They brought in a bunch of snakes.

No, no, no, no, it's actually cool. It's literally a fire of cannibalism. Big, big pit, right, with flat sides. And they put a bunch of food in it, right? So then all the rats jumped into the pit being like, oh, man, all this food. So like a hundred rats jump in, right? And then they eat all the food, have a huge party. And then at the end, they're like, there's no food and they can't climb out.

So they start eating each other. Holy shit. So think about this. They all eat each other. Absolute rat anarchy. Then there's one rat left that is eating all the other rats or beating all the rats. They ate the other rats, hunger games. Then they take that one giant cannibal rat.

That's like the strongest rat that's like king of the rats. They take that rat and they release it, release it onto the rest of the island. What? And that rat killed all the other rats on the island. Yeah, because it was such a psycho, killed all the rats in the pit. Dude. Yeah. No, it was like it killed all the other rats on the island because it killed like all the other rats in the pit. I don't know if this is a true story.

So where's the rat now? I love how Billy just lost it at the end. Might not be true. He died a lonely, lonely rat on Rat Island after eating all his friends. God damn. Yeah, so cannibal rats. Actually, this is a good thing. I don't know if this is true, Billy, because I'm looking at the rat.

No, no, no, no, no. Don't. Well, let's just end there. You know, it was a great story. You want to hear this. The way you told it. It's the Rat Island Wikipedia page and under name, it says it is not known how the island received its name. So my guess is there might not have been.

Probably before you will probably happen when when they bought Manhattan for twenty one dollars and eleven cents or twenty seven dollars and eleven cents from the Indians. They're like, yo, what's this island? And they're like, yo, we like think about what we did. We like made this pit and killed all the rats. And it was awesome. Oh, wait, rats came over with the wait.

Oh, he's thinking too hard. No. All right. That's our show. We'll see everyone on Wednesday. We'll have a new part of my take on Wednesday and we'll have Billy on Kentucky Sports Radio. Tune in 10 to 12 Eastern in the morning and we'll be there on Wednesday.

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