Pardon My Take - Bills GM Brandon Beane, Jay Glazer, Christian Dawkins + Mt Flushmore Of States

Episode Date: April 17, 2020

We got some Friday energy even though Jay Glazer didn’t deliver good news (2:27 - 10:56). Jay joins us to explain the national news Wednesday night and apologizes to all of us dumb football fans (10:56 - 22:54). Fyre Fest of the week, we all suck at video games (22:54 - 37:47). Buffalo Bills GM Brandon Beane joins the show to talk about the upcoming draft, DraftJoshAllen.com, draft war rooms and how much the name Beane helps in Front Offices (37:47 - 63:38). Mt Flushmore of states, no offense to states (63:38 - 80:20). Christian Dawkins from the HBO documentary “The Scheme” joins the show to talk about the 2017 FBI investigation of NCAA Basketball (80:20 - 109:11)You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

Hey, pardon my take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. On today's part in my take, we have three guests, huh? We have three guests. We have Brandon Bean, the GM of the Buffalo Bills, talk draft, talk Josh Allen, talk strategy, what a war room looks like. Really interesting interview with him.

We have our friend Jay Glazer on to explain what the hell happened yesterday. Also, I demanded an apology and he gave one to America, so that will make you feel a little better. And then we have Christian Dawkins from The Scheme, which hopefully you watch because it's a fascinating documentary out on HBO. So we talked to him. We also have Firefest and Mount Flushmore of States, which got a little contentious. Not actually contentious between us, but people are going to be pissed.

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and second place horse tonight and you can get some free money. They're literally giving away free money. So do that right now. Today is Friday, April 17th. We've made it guys. Fifth week of the quarantine, dusted. We are. We've reached the Apex.

We're on the downhill right now. We're cheering the Apex. We can see sports in the future even if we're gonna have a spring football maybe for college football. I would not hate that idea. College football is the one sport where I think fans matter the most. Yes. We need football in the fall.

So hopefully NFL. I could watch NFL games without fans and I could bring myself to do that. But if we got spring football on the other side, then boom, we got a better XFL. I don't know if I'd say better, you know, like you would rank XFL over college football. Well, the players in the XFL are the best college football players still probably ranked college football. So yeah, I mean, listen, we're making it through this. We're making it through this.

It's the fifth week of quarantine. Every time we get to a Friday, pat yourself on the back. I'm telling you right now, you listening to this right now. Good job this week doing nothing. We have we have breaking news. Yeah. Ali Quigley has just been eliminated in the horse competition. So credit to her.

She just saved Chicago from massive events. Yeah. Exactly. Another Zach Levine beater. Okay. So we'll do that. So it's him in the finals against Mike Connolly. If anybody cares, I'm so happy that I was adamant when they announced that horse was

coming out and I said, this is going to suck. And everyone was like, no, it's sports, we need sports. This sucked. I actually think if they had just done it on Periscope, it would have been fine. The fact they put it on TV, it ruined it. You know what they should do is they should just get like a random selection of 60 year old dudes that used to play in college that just show up at YMCA's across the country and just have those guys compete like the guys are the sick, wet jump shots that don't

miss from 15 feet. But 60 year olds, you can't have them leaving their house, but just put them in a gym and isolated gym by themselves. Got it. Like mixed in some of those. I'm sure some of those guys could compete. Yeah. Absolutely.

Little hook shot. Just a hook shot horse game. Yeah. Only hook shots only. Just like big baggy ass gray sweatshirts and short blue, like navy blue bicycle shorts, those types of old dudes. I'm just happy we made it to another week, guys. We did it.

We did it. It feels good. We did it. You did it. We did it. We all did it. But we have. Has anybody checked in on Charles Barkley?

No, he just went silent. He doesn't have social media. So yeah, he just said he said that he might have it, but he was just tired a couple weeks ago. He's just he's probably just hanging out having a great time not being bothered by anyone. All right. So we have Firefest Mount Flushermore coming up, Brandon Bean, Bill's GM, and we also have Christian Dawkins.

But before we do that, we have to get to the bottom of Jay Glazer's big poo poo. That's what I'm calling it. Jay Glazer's big poo poo. What about his big oopsie? He's big oopsie. He called in. He owned up. Well, we had to kind of get him to apologize, but we like Jay.

It was probably it was just that we're what he does. He doesn't understand. So he said we have big, a big national news, not a transaction coming at 11 o'clock on Wednesday night. Everyone of course is thinking, oh my God, he's going to say the NFL season is going to be fine because all we're thinking about right now is give us good news. It wasn't that. It was that Rams center.

What's his name? Brian. Brot Brigai. Brian. Had Brigai had Corona Vice had it. He's already OK. He's on the other side. So we all were like, wait, that was the big news.

What the fuck? It's also unfortunate that the day after this big news came out, Von Miller said that he has it. Right. Recurring guests, thoughts and prayers to him. Hope he makes full recovery. But everyone got Brian and Brian. And to Brian.

No, Brian. He's recovered. That's extra thoughts and prayers. Thanks, Hank. Are your pants pulled off? What's going on? What's going on? I see the ass crack.

Yes. You can see your ass crack while you're sitting down. Hank's pants always fall down because he has no ass. Stand up. Stand up, but don't adjust. Let's get you some suspenders. Turn around. Let's see the back.

Now pull up your shirt. Pull up your shirt. Oh. That's not as bad as I've seen. That's not as bad. I've seen much worse from him. I don't know how you pulled that up. That was sneaky when you just did.

All right. So Jay. Jay had an oopsie and he got crucified. And what we're doing is speaking for the common fan because I know personally I was very upset when I found out that the news wasn't the news that the NFL was coming back. I was upset that like this was built up all day because I don't think what Jay fully calculated. Jay probably has a life. The rest of us don't have a life anymore.

Yeah. I set an alarm at 8am yesterday being like, hey, I have to wake up if I'm asleep at 11. All day. By the way, holy shit. 11pm. I can't wait for Jay Glazer's news. Adam is a preposterous time to break news. It also is.

I'll own a little bit of this when he said I have big news coming tomorrow at 11pm. We should have probably figured out that it wasn't like some news that Adam Schefter in Rap Pour had because like they would have just they would have put it out. They would have tweeted out. Yeah. So we should have known. But that's not how my brain works. Yeah.

Also, it's crazy if that news had been released a month earlier, it would have been Earthshatter. He would have been the Rudy Gobert of the NFL and maybe after him, the entire world would have shut down. And we're happy. Brigh guys. Okay. But it also is like Brian. We thought like it was going to be like, you know, he and he Jay already announced

like three weeks ago. So he's okay. Do you think I didn't have a time to mourn? Do you think that Brigh guys fight? You think that Jared and Blake got checked up because they're the ones that stick their hands like in his butt all the time to take the snaps? Jared's kind of sick. I must ask.

He does. Jared does look like awesome. So sick. He looks so sick. He looks so sick. I hope not. No. It's ill.

Okay. Wait. He looks ill. Ill. As the kids say. Piff. What? Piff.

Piff? That's a fake word he's doing to me. No, that's not a real word. No, it's not. That's Piff. He looks fetch. When I say I'm Piff, it's like code for like I'm the biggest loser ever. No.

Piff is good. Yo, I'm Piff, bro. Piff. Piff? Yeah. Got that Piff. Okay. Why'd you do the okay?

No. Okay. All right. I can see your ass again, Hank. Yeah, I can see it too. You guys are showing your ass. Pull it up. You're Piff.

Whoa. So that's bad. No. Like Piff. Like a spliff? Marijuana. Grass? Good marijuana.

Oh, it's like dope. Yes. Piff. Ill. Sick. Cush. You're headies. No.

Cush is a type. Yeah, but it's like mad Cush. Nope. No. Nope. You're shake. That Piff.com. White Rhino.

Cush. Also, not adjectives. Purple haze. Maui-waui. I'm Maui-waui right now. I went to Colorado last time. I smoked this stuff called Ghost Dog. It was the...

How can you not buy Ghost Dog? Yeah. That's Jon Snow's wolf. Sounds Piff. Yeah, they were like, hey, you want some Ghost Dog? Oh, yeah, you had me at Ghost, and then you sealed the deal at Dog. All right. Let's get to...

We digress, but let's do... Let's get Jay Glazer on the phone. Okay. We now welcome on a good friend, recurring guest, Jay Glazer, NFL Insider, also MVP organization, which we always shout out. Jay, we had to have you on because I don't know if you realize this, but you really pissed off America. Dude, I totally shut my phone off a couple days, and all I've watched is the Tiger King.

I have no idea what's going on. Okay. All right. So walk us through it, because from my perspective, and listen, I know you. Yeah. You've been on with us. No, I'm not. You helped us out.

The way it's being perceived is never my ammo. And look, the thing that I wish I didn't do now is... Well, so I went on Fox Sports Ready the other night. Look, I work for Fox. So I have to... On Sundays during Fox and NFL Sunday, I hold stuff for the show that I'm going to do. I always do it. I always have.

And I lose a lot of scoops that way, but I work for a network. I don't work for Twitter, and I don't work for ESPN or NFL Network, where it's Sports Center 24-7. So I do things for a show. When Brian Allen, and I talked about this, he agreed to do this and wanted to get his message out for the show. So when I was on Fox Sports Radio the other night with Jason Smith and those guys who I love, they were like joking around as I was talking about.

I was trying to promote the show who was on, and they were joking around. And I was like, guys, no, this is... I'm serious. I'm not kidding. I've got some national news that I'm breaking. And they kept joking around. I'm like, no, I'm serious. I got national news.

This is national, which is national... By national news, I meant it wasn't like sports news. It was... It's not NFL news. It's like real news, you know? And I was like, no, I have real breaking news. And I'm like, I'm serious. I'm not kidding.

So when they put it in a tweet form and all you see is I've got big national news. I'm not kidding. I wish then I went on Twitter with a video and said, no, no, guys, what I meant was I'm really not kidding. Like I'm trying to be serious here. And it's not something you should joke about is what I meant. So I woke up the next day and I get calls from like all these people like, oh my god, what's the big breaking news?

I'm like, what the hell are you all talking about? And like, I really had no idea what everybody was talking about. And that was yesterday. And then it's be like, oh, these sports writers say you have big breaking news. And I'm like, and I was texting back whoever sent me up. Like, no, it's about the virus. It's not like you guys think. So I only tweeted out, no, folks, it's not a trend.

And I try to tell people it's not a transactional thing. It's not like I'm not breaking something that someone's getting traded or something. Somebody's getting somebody's retiring or somebody's signing. That's not what it is. And I looked at it like, look, it was serious national news because it's the first active player we know who had it. And then I would say I got crushed. Like it was like, well, you're using this to pump up your ratings and why

didn't you put it up beforehand? Because that's not how it works. Like you work for a TV network for a show. That's where you do your news. And, you know, even Brian, I were talking to Brian. It's like, oh my God, this is like, and I'm like, oh my God, it's getting out of control. But I couldn't tweet out the news. That's not what he and I agreed upon.

It's like, he, you know, wanted to put this story out also with me so we could show people what he went through and then he has come through the other side. But to show people symptoms like he and I wrote it today for the athletics fully. The symptoms he told me, like I didn't really, I didn't know how bad it gets when you hear people say that they lose their smell or their taste. He lost his smell to the point where he was using smelling salts and got nothing. Zero. And God knows I know about smelling salts.

Yeah. And yeah. Yeah. And his taste, he said, I have no, I only have, I feel texture. I don't feel any taste. So I thought it was important to get out there. And, you know, I'm sorry that everybody wants me to break like if the can Newton's going somewhere or they'll get traded and that got screwed up.

But that's never how it was. I was trying to show people. No, no, it's not that. And I'm not the one like I didn't come on. I, you know, I was trying to, and I should have clarified, but what I meant was serious news. Like I'm serious. I meant it was serious.

It was a dude's life. Yeah. You got caught, you got caught in the promo machine by a tweet that quoted you from an interview. And you, you probably would you have tweeted out like in anticipation like, Hey, tomorrow night I have very serious news breaking on Fox sports or whatever the name of the show was. I didn't like, I didn't yesterday.

I wasn't like, Hey, come on out. I don't think if I did, it was like, um, I think I had between that with Sean McVane and Jonathan Taylor. And we had one of our MVP combat vets, John Fulmer coming on to give an incredible story about the key around his neck that he got and kicking in a door and a mission in Mosul was incredible. Anyway, um, I don't think I put out of anything like, Hey, I have this big breaking news. It was just me talking to these guys and they were promo on the show.

And then I was like, I actually got something tomorrow night. That's national news. It's going to end up being big national news, which anytime somebody has the virus, it's a professional athlete, or in sports, it's going to be big national news. And that's really where I was going with it. And even like today, people like, you're not taking responsibility and like, this is responsibility. Hey, this is the responsibility I'm taking. You don't like it?

I'm sorry. Okay. So all right. We're good. So, so for my perspective, cause I want to explain like the fans perspective, the dumb person's perspective, cause that's what I consider myself. I see national news. I'm a captive audience.

I got nowhere to fucking go. I'm stuck in my house. I'm looking for someone to tell me something, another virus story, right? Someone to tell me something about football being back or Roger Goodell bought an island or this is all going to be okay. And I'm sitting there like 11 PM, you know, Eastern time, Jake laser is going to tell us that either obviously like Odell Beckham has traded, which he said it wasn't going to be a transaction.

But you're going to tell us news that will make us feel good about football coming back. So can you at least apologize to those people? No, but you guys said, I never said that all, but that's how we think now, listen, I wish that I could have come back. I wish this wasn't the story that I had. I couldn't tell you that enough. I wish this wasn't the story that you think you want any of my friends out in the virus? Hell no.

Right. I don't want anybody I know having the virus. Absolutely not. What I'm glad as I've been able to get out what his symptoms are and even look, the more people that are angry at me, the more people are going to click on that and see what his symptoms are. And what there is, Brian also didn't know somehow he didn't know he's like, I didn't know, smell, lost the smell and taste were, were symptoms and my friends were telling

me and that's why I got tested. I'm like, how do you not know? He's like, I'm just rehabbing. I got my head in it. You know, I'm, I've got my head down into the rehab and I'm not watching all the stuff on the news. I'm trying not to. So, you know, I hope that people in their anger will click on and see it.

But I hear you like I wish it was to say sorry, I wish I say sorry to us dumb idiots. Sorry. Yeah. But just say sorry to America. Like we're, we're sad. We, we thought you were going to tell us good news. I get to, but it's incredible how angry, like remember last year when I said Odell's getting traded and everybody, the anger toward me and I tweeted out that thing about people

getting like, I don't know what it is when I do something because my track record is good. I don't get anything wrong. But now my track record is just crappy. Well, how about this? How about we give you a little opportunity for redemption? Do you have any sort of like red meat you can throw out about maybe like some nugget that you've heard about the NFL coming back?

Yeah. Odell's not getting traded the Vikings. Okay. What about the NFL coming back? But here's the thing. I don't want to tell anybody that without being 100% right because that's the worst thing you could ever do to anybody. No, I disagree.

I think if you just gave us some hope right now, even if it's like 50, 50, that's going to buy you a lot of goodwill. I think they're going to do whatever they can. I think they're going to do whatever they can, even if it's, we already saw that they're saying without, you know, fans of the stands or ever, I think that without a doubt, they're going to look at this is why everybody got so angry is because what we are in sports is escapism. And instead of giving people an escape last night, I gave them more coronavirus.

Yeah, but it also, it is my job, but, but it also was probably because I think they are. It also probably was because it was an offensive lineman and it was, he had the coronavirus three weeks ago. You have to admit that because that's not fair to him. No, that's crap to him. You know, it's, oh, because it was a bigger name than people would have been like, oh, wow.

That's crappy to him. He's don't, let's not judge human value on no, I agree a star player or not. That's crappy to him. I agree. Not a lot too. It's more, it's more than, it's more than we, we hype the news up so much and that might not have been right on our account, but that's, yeah, because we need news, we need something. We need it.

We're dying out. You're not actually dying. That was, that was the wrong choice of words. We're desperate for news. How about this Jay? Have you heard anything at all? I know your boys is Rob Gronkowski. I know for a fact that you talked to Rob Gronkowski.

Is he coming back? I don't think he, look, when we were training at, at the general and break low about, you know, he had to come back by a certain time and he's way fairer than he ever has been. Right? So we were even talking about what it would take for him to come back and he was never like, all right, I need a new program because I got to, I got to bulk back up. Now he's wasted, wasted, but he's not even close to how it was to be played. So he'd have to change everything around pretty fast and, but also I don't see him

going the bucks with, they got two tight ends there. Trying to get rid of Jay Howard though, right? And Cameron Brady and, and, and, but the Patriots still own his rights. So why would they just be like, Oh yeah, sure. They would trade them because they could get something for them. No, but I don't, I don't see that happen. I would, if they're trying to prove that they can women out Brady, then they're going to want Gronk there.

They're not going to just be like, Oh yeah, let's just send them to the guy who's left up. Let's send him to go help him. They're not going to do that. I think Belichick would rather have some asset than have nothing at all because Gronk's not going to come back and play for New England. The asset is Rob Gronkowski. If he says I'm coming back, then they're going to be like, Oh, why would, why would

the Patriots not say, Okay, we'll take the Hall of Famer here. You know what I mean? He doesn't control it. They have his rights. Well, he can always say he's not going to play for New England, right? Then he doesn't play anywhere. They have his rights. Just say sorry to me, Jay.

I'm sorry. There we go. And I'll accept it on behalf of America. And Jay, I always have your back. I had your back last night because I knew that there was more, a little bit more to the story and that you weren't going out of your way to just like hype up something about the Corona virus to get people to watch. You got trapped in the spin cycle of, of promotion.

Did I? Um, Jay, stay safe. I accept your apology on behalf of all of our fans in America. You're good now in our books. You always were good, but you're extra good. And hopefully we see you sooner than later. Okay. Yeah, man.

I appreciate it. I hope you guys are staying safe, man. I just found out a friend of mine, uh, I found a couple of friends of mine got, but it's like crazy. So just anybody you hear any friends you have, make sure you call them go out of your way and say, Hey, do you need anything if they have kids, especially can we have, can we watch your kids? Can we get you guys groceries?

Can we get you supplies? Just call your people. Okay. Can I watch your kid? Can I get you groceries? No. No. Okay.

I just asked. You did ask. All right. It's a good message though. Take care of each other. Take care of each other during this time. Yeah. Okay.

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Firefest of the week, Henry Lockwood. Daniel. Do it. That was weird. Why? Why? I don't know. You never call me Henry.

Well it's because you guys were playing your stool streams and you give yourself a stern Henry. Yeah. You refer to yourself as Henry more than anybody else calls you Henry. Yeah, it's true. I mean, I was referred to as Henry up until I started working here. So it's like... And then you were Handsome Hank.

Then I was Handsome Hank. Now I like the name Honk though. Honk is a good name. Honk is good. Now did you decide to go by Hank? Is this one of those things where you're like, I'm 18 now, I'm going to take my name into my own hands or did somebody just start calling you? No, KFC.

KFC Barstle, actually like one of my first days was just like, sorry, call me Handsome Hank. I don't... And that was kind of it. Did you have a beard then? Nope, no beard. And you had a girlfriend? That's kind of ironic.

But it's stuck. But yeah. Anyway, speaking of girlfriend, I was playing Call of Duty on stream, part of my Take Twitch and my girl, I got killed in an embarrassing fashion. Her friend was watching me. She roasted the shit out of me. And then the clip got posted to Twitter, got posted to the main Barstle Sports Instagram page, which has like 10 million followers.

And they didn't even have the decency to tag me. So I was basically subject to just getting roasted all over the internet by everyone. What did they caption it? Were they like, look at this sad sucker getting roasted by his girlfriend, loser plays Call of Duty? Something. It was pretty much something like that. I would love to see the YouTube screen on that one, where it's just Hank's face like

looking really upset. And then big bubble letters behind you. SimPoi gets killed in Call of Duty and in real life. Quigs, Quigs, they got posted on TikTok too and Quigs went out of his way to say the Sim thing. So he's on my shit list. Okay. Hold on.

I'm trying to find it. When your own girlfriend starts roasting your Call of Duty skills, that hurts. SimPoi's friend gives no GGs to boyfriend in Call of Duty. GGS. All right. GGS. That's, that's what it is. So GGS.

Yeah. What was GGS? Good game. Oh, good game. Soldier. Yeah. Oh, stolen valor. So.

Game simp. Anyone who sees Hank out on the streets or obviously not now, but you know, when the world comes back to normal, please do not say, Hey, what's up, Hank? Are you the dude who got roasted by his girlfriend because he sucks at Call of Duty? That would be awesome if Hank became a YouTube star, but every single clip was just Rhea making fun of him. Yeah. Just you freak.

Oh, you should actually tap into that. That's a good market. Like have Rhea come in after every single time of a bad loss and be like, I'm done having bad losses. No, that's not true. Only doubts from here on out. That's not true. I got one last night.

I'm going to get one later tonight. I'm going to get one tomorrow and I'm going to go in the next day. You got one against PFT. Yep. Well, I did. I did. That's why three out of five is supposed to be best out of seven. Yeah.

Not going to make excuses though. Okay. PFT, what's your fire? My firefist is I lost to Hank in three out of five and ping pong. And so now I'm going to hear it from him and from you for a while now until we get back in there. He was, as I said, supposed to be best out of seven. My spin zone is number one.

U.S. rugby comes in second place all the time. And sometimes if you do that enough, you can be first place. My second spin zone is just basically that I have nowhere to go but up from here and it's good to have a loss early in the season than it is to have one say in like the ACC championship game. Well, yeah. You're getting ready to play. That is my firefist.

And like potentially for a national championship, so I've got some time to work my way back. I'm very grateful for that and I want the computers to know I'm going to be really focusing on whatever analytics you have that I need to succeed at. I will do that. I will work my way back. I'm going to do the Tim Tebow speech. You will never see a person work harder than me at Ping Pong for the rest of your life. I will work so hard.

I promise I'm very excited to work hard. And we're going to, we'll post, we'll post, if you didn't see it on Twitch, we will post the full YouTube video. It will be up right now. And if you didn't see it on my Twitter, PFT served the ball and then it hit right back into his face. That was some, that was some fuzzy editing right there. Which was an incredible moment.

It's amazing what you can do with deep fakes these days. That's, that's all I'm going to say. Right back in his face. My other firefist of the week was I watched the Red Wedding and I didn't have a camera on myself to capture my reaction because person watches Red Wedding reaction videos are also very, very lucrative on YouTube. So I'm an idiot for not doing that. Two girls, one cup.

That was a sneeze. Don't worry. That's not part of coronavirus. Sneezing is not part of coronavirus. That's not something I've had to explain that a lot. That was also one of those sneezes that just, you know, when you just, a sneeze just jumps in your nose. It's not anything.

It's a ghost. Yeah. It's a ghost. I got a ghost. All right. I fucking shit the bed so bad. I played in the ACC championship game. I love our firefaster just like playing games at this point, but I, I guess we have a good

life right now, but I had the ACC championship game Gus Dougerton spot in the national title. James Winston through six interceptions. Well, you abandoned your game plan. I coached. You completely abandoned your game plan. I coached. Completely. Like a straight up bitch.

Like no two ways about it out if, if we were, if we were reacting to my game on this show, we would be roasting Gus Dougerton for one of the worst coaching performance of all time panicked, left the run behind, didn't run my husband, uh, running back at all. Just chucked it up and through six interceptions. You were playing against Georgia Tech, right? Georgia Tech. Were they running a triple option against you? Yes.

So that's tough to defend right there. Also, your team hasn't seen an offense like that all year. This is a bad time to run into that. They had two Heisman finalists and I don't know what it is about the NCAA game, the franchise, but if you, if you go enough years into the dynasty mode, Navy and Georgia Tech are always awesome. Always. Where's the game being played?

Charlotte. Okay. Yeah. That's a, that's a pro Georgia Tech crowd right there. But here's the spin zone. I am playing in the fiesta bowl tonight against Yukon. Okay. Three loss Yukon.

The new civil conflict. Listen, if, yes, exactly, if you can't, if you can't play in the national championship game, actually I'd rather play in the fiesta bowl. It's got all the allure. You got it. For all the tostitos. You got to make a trophy. You have to make a new civil conflict.

Yes. Yes. I actually have someone working on that. And if you, if you lose, send it to Yukon. Yes. You also need to, we might have an extra bucket here, but you need to, you need to fill up a Gatorade bath and bath yourself in tostitos. Oh my couch.

Yeah. I don't think that would play. Um, Stella would love it though. Oh, with tostitos. Yes. Yeah. I was thinking with Gatorade. No, Stella would have the time of her life.

Yeah. Yeah. I had to put my fingers, but last night I played the ACC championship game and my passing coordinator, uh, Stella had already gone to bed. So again, not pointing fingers. No, she was up in the booth. She usually sits right next to me while I whisper into the mic on Twitch. She had already put herself to bed.

Do you think that maybe it's time to put coach Gus Dugarton up in the booth? He's been in the booth. Oh. He's too fat to stand on the sideline. Well then bring him down to the sideline. He can't stand for that long. I feel like bring him down to the sideline in like a hue free as hospital bed and just have him motoring around on his own little booger mobile.

It was so sad. I was so, so bad. It's nothing worse than just being so bad at a video game and having people watch so you can't restart it. Like I would have restarted it if I was sitting at home. Of course. Shout out to the guy that does the coach Dug's deep fakes that aren't deep fakes. One of, one of, we'll post a video like on Instagram or on the blog or whatever.

One of the craziest. I love this guy. One of the craziest visuals I've ever seen. And jaw dropping stuff. Gus Dugarton's a very handsome man. This guy's a handsome man. But basically what happened is I created a faked coach and then a listener who lives in Jacksonville who's a diehard Florida state fan was like, Oh, that guy looks like me.

And then just started will become him and just started putting on the Florida state gear and being like, let's go coach. I love it. I don't know how this works in this world. I actually think that if we go long enough for this quarantine, we should just start creating random players and coaches and seeing if people can find them in real life. You know, it'd be great if, if that guy actually got some interest in being like an, like an offensive coordinator or maybe even just like a quality control guy at a D3 school.

He should. Because he'll get some buzz on Twitter. Although maybe not after my performance, the ACC championship game. That's fine. You got the ACC championship game. Are you going to get a head coaching offer? Yes. Not after this.

Dude, I had the Heisman Trophy winner. But if you imagine if you lose the ACC championship. I would not hire coach Gus Dargerton coming off of a performance like this. This is like, this was your Kyle Shanahan Super Bowl moment. And you bitched out. Call him a clown. Call him a clown. Call him a clown.

I am guaranteeing a Fiesta Bowl victory. Guaranteeing it. No way I lose in the Fiesta Bowl. What if you don't? What if you lose? I will not because I'm going to change the slider so much in my favor that there is no chance I lose this game. I think if you lose, you have to do like a Dave Chappelle take a couple of years off

a couple of seasons off. No chance I lose. Go hang out. I don't know. Like I go to the where would a guy like Gus Dargerton go? He's been he's actually got a $27,000 bill at Applebee's in Tallahassee. He'd probably go to like Montana just fly fish for a couple years. No.

Clear his mind. And then come back. He would just kind of just chill out in like a nice leather chair and fart into it for five years. A real firefest of the week. That's not about our video games and sitting on couch watching TV. Well, this is actually like a very appropriate for how the world is now. The only exciting moments we have is our simulated life.

I'm and you know what? I was getting like as amped up as I've gotten in months. I got so mad at myself for not seeing the red wedding coming because I knew it was coming at some point. I didn't know which characters were going to be in it. It's wild. But for not putting two and two together that a bridge guy would do it like don't fuck with a bridge guy.

That's the one thing. There's a family. Their entire family's purpose is to hang out next to a bridge and punish people that reneg on their promises to cross said bridge. Of course it's going to be that loser that does it. But a real firefest. This is for a long time. Die hard.

Listen to the show. Our thoughts and prayers go out to you. The Dave and Buster's guy. Yes. Because he has not been able to go to Dave and Buster's for a month and a half. But you know what? His girlfriend loves Buster's more than anything. You know what?

I think that that guy right now. I actually envision that Dave and Buster's guy is probably dealing with this whole thing better than anyone else. No. Because no, no, no, no. Hear me out. Hear me out. Hear me out.

He's like, listen, I'm thinking about the betterment of the world. I have to just sit out for this. But the moment he all he's done every single night since we've been in quarantine is dreaming about his return to Dave and Buster's. And he has that like a lot of people don't have the thing that they're going to be like, I can't wait to go back to work. OK, cool. This guy can't wait to go back to Dave and Buster's.

I think he's not dealing well. I think that he's probably got a house that's filled with like he's got Golden T arcade games. He's purchased an NBA Jam arcade game. He's got that bowling game where you spin the ball. He's I think he's like trying to turn. He's probably reached out to exhibit and been like, hey, can you pimp my van and turn my entire van into a ski ball machine? He's I think he's I think I'm just saying he could surprise people.

I don't know. I just imagine that he's just like, you know what? This is it's God's will that we had to close Dave and Buster's. You're giving Dave and Buster's guy a very healthy outlook on life. Well, that's because I actually think that like he is unpredictable to that point where when you think you can predict him, he'll do the opposite. What do you think he misses most? The games, the food or the prizes?

He's not I don't think he's a prize guy. I would say incorrect to all of them. And how about just the ambiance? The atmosphere. Yeah, just just the electricity that goes through the air when you walk into a Dave and Buster. You walk in and you hear six air hockey tables going at once. It's like God's slot machine in there.

Yep. It's wonderful. Yep. All right. Let's he's probably going to like gas stations to play the claw machine. The sound of an air hockey table turning on and like being activated. Yeah. If you don't put your hand down next to an air hockey table, like it's like it's

the fire burner at Benihana right when you turn it on, you and I can't feel it. That feels so good. Just having that delicate air come up to you like the the world's softest bowling air blower is beautiful. All right. Let's get to our interview. We got Bill's GM, Brandon Bean, before we do that with all the uncertainty in the world, feeling safe at home has never been more important.

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Go to simply safe.com slash PMT. And now Bill's GM, Brandon Bean. OK, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is Bill's Buffalo Bill's GM, Brandon Bean. We appreciate you joining us. I know you're busy getting ready for the draft. I think the question that you know is coming and that all of our fans want us to ask before we get into this year's draft and everything else.

How much did draft Josh Allen play a part in you drafting Josh Allen? It was every bit. I mean, if you didn't, if you guys didn't put that together, Josh Allen wouldn't be in Buffalo. You know that I was the first thing I checked when I was going through which quarterback we really wanted to try and trade up and get. I owe you guys big time. Yes. Yes. Thank you.

We love that. Yeah, you've been doing a lot of media this week. I've noticed that that's a little bit unusual for a general manager. So I will let you just have the floor. You tell us what misinformation you've been trying to get out there. What smoke screens? Yeah, you want to put out and then we'll just let that. Yeah, we'll do that.

Yeah, give us your top three first. So it's right at the top. Well, honestly, the only reason, you know, I'm usually trying to avoid the media this time of year until I get through the draft to your point on the smoke screens. But no, honestly, just been trying to get the word out, you know, to raise money in Buffalo for the COVID-19 and the fund that we've got partnering with United Way.

But other than that, you know, we're we're just trying to get adjusted. And there's really no smoke screens. Heck, we're not picking in the first round. Do the do the digs trade. So we're going to have to watch and then kind of makes some decisions after Thursday's first round. So you mentioned that that was actually be my next question. Without a first round draft pick, is there more pressure or less pressure

when you're going to a draft night? Because I'm sure you're sitting there being like, well, we don't have to pick for a while, but are you still like, we got to make our picks count and maybe we'll try to trade up in the first round? Yeah, I mean, we definitely have to, you know, make the most of this draft. We got us and I think Pittsburgh and Houston, we probably got the three least value of picks remaining. You know, if you don't have that first round pick, it's so valuable.

So obviously we traded it for digs who, you know, we just we thought at the end of the day that what we could get at 22 wasn't going to be the player that digs is. And so that's why we made the move. But it will be hard. I'm very passionate about my draft picks. So rarely are you going to see, as long as I'm here at the Buffalo Bills, trade a number one, but this was just, you know, a move.

And especially in light of what's going on around our country, we don't even know what kind of offseason we're going to have. So to be able to get a veteran versus school in a rookie up, we just thought made the most sense this year. So to your question, it's going to be hard. You know, I'm going to struggle watching the first round, but I'll be excited when it's over, because at that point I can start figuring out who's on the board and who we can try and scheme to get, but I don't see us

going into the first round. So since you guys don't have a first round pick, do you still do your due diligence and you make a full big board, including the top guys like Joe Burrow, to all those guys? Are they actually like printed out on a board in your office? No, we still go through the process because, and we did a lot of this in February before the combine. You know, I try and, you know, me and my staff, a lot of work on what these

players are before we go meet them and watch them run 40s, whether they're good 40s or bad 40s. Let's, let's grade on what we saw in the fall more than anything else. So no, we did a lot of work. Now I will say once we traded the pick at this point, we, we've kind of slotted off and said, all right, who are the automatics? Who are the guys we know right now going in the top 10, top 12, top 15? That, you know, and honestly, we came up with about 20 names that we're like,

these guys are all going in the first round. Doesn't matter, you know, which team. So after those 20, we've really focused on the rest because, you know, late first to in, in the two, I mean, you look at guy like DK Metcalf last year. A lot of people had him going high in the first round. Can't turn falls to late too. Yeah. Yeah.

So, all right. So this might be a very stupid question and you can tell me if it's stupid, but sitting there, you're, you're sitting on your computer. You know that some of these experts are talking to everyone. Do you read the mock drafts that, you know, Mike, or not Mike Mayock anymore, Daniel Jeremiah, Mel Kuiper, Todd McShay, do you read those that they put out and be like, all right, maybe I can get some information from here that tells me what everyone else is thinking about?

You know, I look at it, it's good bathroom reading. Okay. I do flip it on once in a while. It's a good time. No distractions and, and, you know, flip around and see what, you know, those guys, they have Intel and they're using team needs and things like that. And as it, honestly, until it gets close, you really don't pay attention that much. I do think some of these guys do have some pretty good Intel when it gets close.

People start talking, you know, around teams and around the league. But at the end of the day, I use it more analytically as far as, you know, putting on a, you know, a composite of a lot of mocks. And you can kind of figure out by the con. These are the consensus over 50 mocks that are, we call somewhat credible. And these are the consensus guys. It's not necessarily the order, but at least it's the guys that you know. Hey, in 48 out of these 50, um, this guy is gone in the first round.

Right. Or gone 35, something like that. So, all right. So going off that question, because it is just a little quick follow up that I'm always interested in how much, uh, what's the mandate when it comes to your scouts on how much they're allowed to talk to the media? Because I would assume they can get information coming back. So you want to let them at least have contacts, but are you like, Hey, if you

guys say anything to anyone, it's over. Yeah. I mean, pretty much we, I'm of the belief, uh, loose lips, sink ships and I would rather not have the Intel than, than lose it. So, uh, I really don't have my crew in, in, in Sean does a good job of having our coaches, uh, this time of year, it's, it's lay low and, um, less is more right now. Yeah. You worked very closely with Dave Gettleman in Carolina.

Do you, I know that he probably impacted the way that you think about putting a football team together a little bit. Do you also believe that real swag is no swag? Yeah. Dave, Dave's a swaggy guy. Uh, so, uh, what, what's the real in what way is Dave Gettleman a swaggy guy? I'm interested. Oh, Dave, he, uh, Dave's the only GM that walks around the office and flip flops.

Oh, okay. Uh, I, I give him props for that. Uh, he's a proud man. And he calls his feet, he calls his toes as puppies. Um, uh, yeah, he, he's Dave was a lot of fun to work for. And work with, but he's got his own kind of swag. He really does. So, uh, I got nothing, but good things to say about Dave.

Uh, how do you think he's going to deal with the computer situation on draft night? Cause we did see the picture tweeted out of him at a computer and it looked like he had never turned on a computer. No, he had a big binder in between him and the computer. It's like this binder is what I'm actually using the computer as a paperweight. Yeah. So how do you, is he a computer guy?

Get trust in it. Dave's smart, man. He's, he's putting you, he's throwing all the, all the curveballs out there. Uh, he's actually pretty tech savvy. Uh, so don't, don't let him fool you in all seriousness. Okay. So, so going off the Panther, your time with the Panthers, uh, a free agent that's out there right now, Cam Newton, your guy who you guys drafted there.

You went to a Super Bowl with him. What, you know, where do you think his skill set is at right now at this point of his career? Do you think he still has another five years as a starter and, uh, what made you fall in love with him to begin with? Yeah. I mean, uh, I think, you know, his physical stature and his athletic ability and, you know, his ability to win.

I mean, the guy didn't lose at blend. He didn't lose at Auburn and, um, and he was, he was like a one man band. I mean, there wasn't a lot of other talent on that team. You know, they had a couple of guys, Nick Farrell, he was on the D line, but they weren't loaded. And I mean, they, they came back and, and to beat Alabama the way they did, uh, in that game, just, uh, the guy was a winner and I think it carried over. And listen, I wouldn't be in my seat right now if we didn't have the success

that we had, obviously the 15 and one season in Carolina. Uh, so cam's a guy root for, um, I think he deserves another chance. You know, it's, it's unfortunate. The injuries the last couple of years have slowed him down. And, and I'm sure there's some doubt around the league. And then I think cam is, as you guys, you know, I don't know if you've ever talked to him, but he's probably a little bit of a misunderstood guys. People aren't sure.

Okay. What would I be bringing into my building, into my locker room? Um, you know, I think whoever signs cam is going to know this guy's got a chip on his shoulder right now. I know how he's wired. He, he feels doubted. And, um, I think he's in a strong spot. You know, when he's doubted, he's going to try and prove people wrong.

Does he text you in the weird, in the weird, like that whole shit, uh, honestly, you know, we don't text very often or anything like that. So I give him, uh, a good, a good hug or, you know, bro hug or whatever if I see him, but, uh, now nothing but love for cam. But no, I don't understand all his texts. Uh, so this off season, you're kind of, you're going into it a little bit differently than Buffalo has had to approach an off season in the last 15 years or so. Tom Brady is no longer in that division.

So you're not going to play against him twice. Uh, when you play against the Patriots, is that going to impact the type of players that you're looking at, uh, just the, the sheer fact that you don't have to deal with him and you're going to have to deal with a different type of quarterback in New England, or is it just like we're going to scout our guys the same way that we've always scouted them, what other teams are doing is not going to impact how we construct our football team. Yeah.

I mean, uh, it's a good question in the sense that you, you do have to win your division. So you have to look at what you're, what you're going against. And I will give an example when, um, when we were in Carolina years ago, when Michael Vic was rolling, um, that was the impetus for drafting Thomas Davis was we needed speed and, you know, Thomas played safety at Georgia and we convert him down the linebacker. We just didn't have the speed to chase him down.

So there are times where you, you will draft somebody to stop an opponent. I know we, we got, uh, we drafted, you know, Josh Norman and, and, um, uh, James Bradbury, because we were going against Julio Jones, Mike Evans, you know, we needed a bigger corner, uh, to go against those guys. So there are times you do that. You know, I would say for us, you know, we're trying to, you know, pay attention to everybody, including the Patriots, but honestly, I don't know yet what they're going to do at quarterback.

I don't know if it's, if it's what's on the roster, if they're going to draft somebody, they're still, you know, you mentioned Cam Newton. There's some other veterans that are out there, uh, that maybe they're working on behind the scenes. So we're not, you know, plotting, you know, none of our free agent moves were, were based on who's at quarterback. We're just trying to, you know, to be the best version that we can be. And, and we'll see what shakes out and what quarterback, you know, Bill

Belichick goes with. Did you pop a little champagne when Brady announced who's going to the bucks? I really didn't, you know, our fan base did. And, uh, they probably don't like it when I say it, but you know, I know I speak for Sean as well. We were oh and six against Brady up here. And so to me, you know, there's nothing more, um, exciting than, you know, than that we were looking forward to was the opportunity to take him, you

know, take him down. And so he was, became a free agent and he left. And so the only thing we can do is at some point, hopefully play him in tamping and get a chance there. But, um, at the end of the day, the Patriots, Bill Belichick, you know, he is probably the greatest coach of all time. Uh, I don't think they're going anywhere. Uh, who's the bet?

What's the best pick you've ever made? The best pick I've ever made. I don't know. I mean, that's hard for me to say, um, you know, we're still so young. I've only had two drafts. All right. So maybe even count the Panthers too. What's the pick that you, it was the, you know, draft night and you're standing

on the table being like, this is my guy, the guy that you felt the strongest about. Yeah. I mean, uh, probably the last draft there, you know, us draft and Christian McCaffrey. You know, that was, um, and now I, I'm not going to lie. I couldn't tell you that he was going to be the highest paid running back. The, the contract he now has, um, but I was at his pro day and not only did he put on, I think the most impressive thing that he did at his pro day was after he did the running back drills, he went out and they had a few receivers that year that

were later guys or free agents that he went out and put on a clinic, you know, from the slot, from the outside. I mean, he looked like God, I draft this guy, you know, at a minimum as a slot receiver and a returner. And then you know, he had the running back skills. So, um, you know, I think he was, he was what I call a sleep good at night pick. It is stand on the table season. I'm glad big cap brought that up.

Have you ever actually stood on a table in a draft room for somebody? No, but, uh, I've been waiting until I came to Buffalo, uh, since everybody breaks tables, uh, so maybe at some point, uh, maybe we should have everybody stand on the table and, and see if we can, uh, bus through a burning table or something like that. I've never, I've never stood on a table. Um, when you decided to bring Frank Gorin was the size of his balls, a key contributor that you could see on, on all his highlights, just flopping around.

Uh, I, I can't lie, uh, Frank definitely, uh, uh, is a big baller. Yeah, he's a big baller. Yeah. Hey, look, we've all seen it. It just happens in slow mo. Uh, all right, I got, I got a dumb question for you. Uh, how much credit do you give to Moneyball and Billy Bean being probably the most famous GM out there in sports to you getting a GM job?

Because I'm a big name guy. And when I saw Brandon Bean, I was like, Oh, is he Billy's brother? Like he must be smart. Do you think that plays maybe even 1% into you having the success you've had? No relation, by the way. Yeah, no relation. Uh, you know, I've been asked, you know, many times, uh, was I kidding to him along the way?

And, uh, it's funny, it really came up when I got the job, people that didn't know me from Buffalo asking that question. But, uh, you know, you got to say there's probably some percent. I don't want to say zero. Yes. Because people probably said, Oh, they probably just make the assumption, uh, he must be Ken to Billy Bean. Yeah.

And he, and smart guy, he knows how to draft. I mean, I had the exact same question. I, there are a lot of people out there with dumb brains like us that would be willing to hire you just based on that. Yeah. Like you, you definitely want a coin flip. If they're like, all right, we could draft this guy. We could, we could hire this guy or Billy Beans, maybe bro.

Exactly. Yeah. Hey, you, you made the assumption. I won the coin toss. So let's say 5% of my job in Buffalo, I wouldn't get with Billy Bean and had his success. Yes. Yes.

I know that there's certain teams out there that are very, uh, they're very impressed with college captains. So if you were a captain, uh, on your team, like a two year captain or something like that, they give you bonus points for that in their mind. Do you take that into account at all? Or is it just strictly, you know, the other stuff that, that you evaluate and you say, you know, what their team voted on, that's not really what we're looking at here.

Yeah. I think it's definitely part of the puzzle. And, you know, we, we do ask that, you know, some teams only do game captains. Uh, so those can be bounced around. I don't hold a lot of weight in those, but the guys that are voted the season captains, some of them, I like it when they do it at the end of the season. You know, you have their, some coaches will, will vote. This was our, was our team captains for the end of the year.

These are the guys that led us all season. So you do have to kind of ask one question deeper. Were you a captain? Well, were you, you know, was it voted on by your team? Was it voted on by the coaches? Uh, how did you get named that? But, uh, it definitely weighs in as a piece. What about birthday parties?

Do you ever ask how many of your teammates came to your birthday party? Yeah. Um, no, but you know what? I've never thought of that. It's not a bad idea. We'll, we'll, we'll add that to our, uh, so you haven't watched draft day then with Kevin Costner. No, uh, damn, you're going to get taken to the cleaners.

Somebody's going to fleece you. Somebody, somebody who's watched that and owns it on DVD and seen the behind the scenes commentary is going to absolutely wreck you in the draft this year. Mm hmm. What did he, he asked them at birthday? Bo Callahan, the court, well, it was, it was not a believable movie because it was Bo Callahan, the, the star quarterback for Wisconsin. Well, also because the Browns were competent, right?

Where I went and we don't, I mean, we're not getting a first overall pick, uh, out of, out of Wisconsin, out of the big 10 like that, but they basically were like, well, no, none of his teammates went to his birthday party. So he must not, uh, be a great locker room guy. That was the Intel. I got you. Yeah. I'm going to add that.

That's actually legit. I like it. Yes. Yes. Ask like who, you know, did you guys go, you know, play ski ball with your quarterback when his birthday came up, David Buster's. Have you ever done a trick where you, you put like a dollar bill or a hundred dollar bill in the back of a book, a playbook that you hand a guy and then

you wait to see if he brings it up in your interview with him? No, because all our playbooks are, I'd have to be like, or something. They're all in iPad cash. Yeah. You get to the last page and it's boom, cash app and your account. Yeah, it's not a bad idea. What's the weird, or what's your go to question at the combine? Uh, go to question.

Usually it's, um, how did you pick, you know, whatever school Auburn? Like what, what, what were your options? First of all, because sometimes, uh, you know, McNeese state or wherever you went, that might have been your only option. But what were your options? And I always like to ask people how many, how many stars were they sometimes looking up like, Oh, I was a five star. No, you weren't, you were a two star.

You know what I mean? That thing. So does anyone ever answer that question? They just paid the most? No, but I have inferred some things and gotten some smiles and said, Oh, they gave you a bigger cash bag and, uh, no, no, no, and, and they're giggling in the side. So, you know, you know, I love it.

I love it. Uh, would you like to take this moment to thank Antonio Brown for using his non-existent trade clause last year to avoid going to Buffalo? Oh man, uh, you got to bring that one up. That's pretty good. You know what, uh, is that here's one of the lines we have. Sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make. Yep.

And that happens. And that's so true. There's sometimes you've had a guy and you almost got him and at the last minute you didn't, and then something happened. He got hurt the first week of OTAs or the first game of the season. You're going, man, that would have cost me 12 million on my cap or something like that. So, uh, I would say sometimes on this one, the best moves are the ones you

don't make. I said this at the end of the, of your playoff run. And I was rooting for the Buffalo bills. I wanted the bills to advance. I thought that you guys had a fun team. It was constructed in a fun way. And we liked, we liked Josh on a lot, but you're in kind of an interesting situation, Buffalo, because the way that you've built your team, it's kind of

like you're going to play in this one style that you ended up playing in last year. I don't really, I'm dumb. So that might be part of it, but I don't really see what part of the, what part of your team you would focus on making additions to this year, unless there are guys that are leaving that might be aging out of that position, but you're built to have, you know, a solid running game, good, strong, tough nose defense.

And so I got to ask you like, what is, is there a position in particular that you knew this entire offseason? We need an upgrade at this one to take us to that next level. Yeah. I mean, I think digs was the move. We needed a number one, um, you know, I tried to make a trade, uh, at the, at the trade deadline, you know, some of the receivers that, that you guys saw, we were, we were checking in on, on pretty much all the ones that did get traded.

And then some of the ones like step on that, uh, the teams were not willing to part with them, but there were several that didn't get traded that, that we were after. And, uh, and then some of the ones that did, it was either more than we were willing to give up or the team, you know, an AFC, an NFC, I mean, an AFC team wanted to send them to an NFC team or something like that, where they didn't want to, you know, have to play us. But, um, I think that was the biggest thing.

You know, you go back to that Houston game at the end of the day, we settled for too many field goals and not enough touchdowns in the first half. We got the touchdown on the first drive, but after that, uh, it was field goal, field goal, field goal. And you know, it's hard to go 10 plays, 12 plays, 13 plays, because one penalty or any, you know, a sack, anything like that, negative play. And then you're either punting or field goal most of the time. So Stefan is a big play guy.

We just felt like we needed, uh, more juice, uh, how you get the ball in his hands and he makes one guy miss and he can score. And so that was the impetus. We just, we got to score more points next, you know, this next season. Uh, all right. My last question, I'm always fascinated with this and how draft rooms work and the lead up to the draft, do you do anything specifically to avoid having that confirmation bias when you're trying to pick a player?

Like your scouts, you're, you've already made your mind up and you're just looking for the two scouts that agree with you. How does that kind of break down when you're evaluating a guy right up until draft day and trying to figure out how to make this decision with all the intel that you can have and not just who you personally like. Yeah, that's real. Um, I'll tell you today, you know, we were going through, uh, the horizontal part. So you stack them vertically, you know, quarterbacks, running backs, receivers

all the way left to right. And now you start looking at, um, okay, I'm in the third round and I've got this wide receiver and then I've got this, this defensive tackle and I've got this corner, they're all around the same grade. You know, you work all the way down first round, second round, third round. So these guys all belong in the same conversation is one of these guys clearly better. Should he be in another conversation?

Should he be high three, low two? You just kind of, it's a checks and balances of, of not only your by position, but across the board. So that if you get on the clock and you got all three of those, three of those theirs, who are you taking? And so, you know, we went back and forth. I mean, there's one of my scouts actually texted me, uh, when we broke for lunch, Hey, sorry if I got a little heated there.

And, uh, and I said, no, I said, I don't want group think like we got to get it right. It's, it's not my board. It's the Buffalo bills board. And so, um, I don't, at the end of the day, we got to get it right for us. And it's not, it's not just my guy. There are times where, um, I really am more passionate about one guy, but I'll stack the other guy if, if, if I'm clearly in the minority.

I like that. I like passion. You get good results from passion. I've got a question, um, on the special team side of the ball. Uh, if you are looking at kickers, would you rather have a guy that can hit, you know, maybe four out of seven from 55 yards plus or a guy that could go nine out of 10 from, you know, 35 and in? Well, tell me about a 35 year old field goal.

Yeah, I got you. Um, yeah, I mean, I'd rather have the guy deep. I mean, I think if you were going to say, count the same though. Yeah. If you were going to say 45, like if this guy is like nine of 10 from 45 and in, no, he's like three of 10 from 45, no, no, he's like three of six, 50% from 45 out and then anything 45 in will say 85%. And he's got an onside kick that hits a recovery rate of like 30%.

I take that, especially in the new, these current onside kick rules. Nope. You know, I can get a dang onside kick anymore. Okay. So that actually was me that I was describing 30% onside cover. Yeah. Really? Yeah.

I can get 30%. I've got a special onside kick that nobody else uses. So, or I believe that you've, uh, verbally committed to signing me this on Madden football is, or is this like really your live kick? This is my live kicking. This is training with Morton Anderson and on the field with the DC defenders in practice. And also I went on to the onside kick with our, our, uh, co-workers Zah and

Big T who's like six foot five and Zah is what, three foot 10. Yeah. He recovered 30% of our onside's kicks. Oh yeah. Do you have video of this so I can, uh, we can, we can cut up a little, a little highlight reel, a little hype reel for you. I want to see these guys trying to recover it. That'd be, that'd be the best part.

All right. So I believe that's a verbal commitment to at least bring me in for workout. There you go. It's a workout. Yeah. It's a workout. Yeah. Um, all right.

Well, Brandon Bean, thank you so much. We really appreciate you spending some time with us. Uh, can we plug the, is it United Way again? One last time? Yeah, that'd be great. Uh, so tomorrow is the last day. So by four o'clock tomorrow closes, uh, it's, here's the website. It's WNYResponds.org.

If you can just go there, any of the, any of the bills nation out there, we got, you know, six or seven cool prizes. Uh, one, you're going to be able to be on the phone with me when we, when we turn in the first pick and, and you'll, you'll see the interaction as I call the draft pick that, that we select and got some other cool prizes. Other than that, it's on the website though. You think they can, they can go on there and see it. Okay.

Yeah. Check it out. Thanks so much. Really appreciate it. Good luck in the draft. Thanks guys. Good seeing you. All right.

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who was in the scheme, the guy who was the main character of the scheme. That's coming up in a second. We have a Mount Flushmore that I think we need to put a disclaimer. We're going to do the Mount Flushmore of states. But if you're listening to this and your state is called, just know we're not talking about you specifically. We're talking about a space. We're talking about not even a geographical location.

Not even that. Not about you. No, it's if you're if your state is called, think about the shittiest person you know, think about the shittiest neighbor you have. We're talking about them specifically. Okay, it's not you. You actually made us think twice about putting your state on there. It's your neighbor.

That sucks. Absolutely. Not has is not a neighbor Troy who keeps fucking parking random cars in the in the front lawn. He's the worst. He is. He's very, very bad. The guy that called the cops because you had a couple of friends

over after 1130. Yep. That's the guy that we're talking about. All right. Uh, it's my pick first and then who goes second. I think me second and then Hank. Yes. Circles back.

Yes. That's correct. Okay. I will start. Why don't I ever go second? Yeah, I think Hank goes second. Okay, fine. Hank goes second.

I've never picked second. That's not true. Because when you go first, big hat picks second. When I go first, you pick second. When big hat goes, you should not go second. Fine. I'll go third. I go twice.

Good. All right. I'll start with, uh, thank you, Hank. The most unremarkable state. I don't even know if we have a listener here. If we do have a listener here, tweet us. We'd love to. We'd love to hear from the listeners in the great state of South Dakota.

Who the fuck cares? Wait, South Dakota, Mount Rushmore. Yeah, exactly. It's the opposite. You've got four great listeners there. Yeah, it's true, but it's the opposite. This segment won't exist if this state didn't exist. How can you, how can you say that?

Yeah, that's sorry. That's a tough start. South Dakota. Okay. Uh, Hank. It's me. Yes. Okay.

It was great pheasant hunting in South Dakota, by the way. You just Google that? No, I just know it. That's the only thing I know about South Dakota. My first one, an absolute no brainer. A few years ago, I did a college tour where I basically went all over the south, every state had a great time and pretty much all of them. The only one that was a bad time, just a miserable place to be, Mississippi.

Oh, wow. Northeastern bias. What about Brandon Walker? And Walker's all right. Okay. I knew that Mississippi. Uh-oh. I, well, no, I, I knew that this was obviously going to get picked.

So I told Brandon Walker, can you text me some nice things about Mississippi? They didn't, they didn't sell ice. Like I was told basically that like, no, I was, I was basically told that like there was some type of government corruption where like one of the mayors, uh, owned all the ice shops so that like gas stations and they couldn't sell ice until like 2007. That sounds fucking awesome though. Like that you have a mayor and the mayor gets that power to just hoard all the ice.

All of the things that got like switched over in like the 60s and 70s, 80s, like that didn't happen in Mississippi until like five years ago. Okay. Um, here we go. All right. Think cool things about Mississippi. Brandon fucking Walker, Elvis, Oprah, Morgan Freeman, fried catfish, Walter Peyton, Jerry Rice, Brett Favre, Southern food.

But that's all weird. Those are all examples though. And Southern food. Well, yeah, fried catfish is also, you can get that anywhere. There's so many good, uh, players from Mississippi. I think Brandon just got hungry when he started listening to Mississippi. It was such a shitty state that those people were so motivated to get out that they like worked extra hard.

That's really mean. Yeah. I don't, I don't, I mean Kiffin, Mike Leach. I bet they would agree Brett Favre. Mike Leach literally just picked. He, he left Washington to go to Mississippi. Ed Warder for 60% of the 90s when he was hanging out next to Brett Favre, trying to figure out if he was coming back.

All right. Uh, PFC you have two picks. Mississippi was a bad choice. That's just, that's the I-95 Hank right there. That, well, I just, I'm going to defend Brandon Walker. I mean, telling Mississippi was on your list, PFC. It was not on my list. I, I'm looking through my list.

I'm not going to give away too much. I don't have any states that are in the South on my list. I love the South. Okay. And then, uh, to who? The South. The South. Okay.

Well, you said I love the South. I do. I do love the South. Okay. Um, Delaware, number one, a number one Delaware. What is in Delaware? Does the Walmart tax? They've got all our taxes.

Delaware wasn't a state. Like when you said Delaware, I was like, that's not a state. You forgot about Delaware. Right. You probably would have had it on your list, but you forgot about it. Okay. All that's in Delaware is, uh, I guess Joe Biden's corpse and those weird tax companies, credit card companies.

Those are important though. That's it. Those are important. My second Jewish, Dewey Beach is okay. Shout out to SVP. Yeah. Do you know what it, I thought you were from Delaware. If you see SVP at Dewey Beach this summer, make sure you buy him a shot.

He loves that. Did you grow up in Delaware? Did I grow up in Delaware? Oh, no. Whisper in his ear, say, SVP, you look like a penis and also be like, Hey, SVP, remember to call me and leave me a message. The Terps stink. Um, so yeah, Delaware, Delaware, easy.

Number one, tremendous value pick on my part, taking that number three. My second is going to be, I'm going New Mexico, Mexico. They've got, they've got hatch chili peppers. They've got breaking bad. That's about it. They tested nuclear weapons there because they knew there wasn't anything to blow up. There's no hills.

No hills really. Yeah. Okay. Just flat. Hank. That was actually my second pick. You took that from me. I will go with the state we're all in right now, New York.

Oh, New York state. The big apple. Although I will say that since this quarantine has started, it's one of those things where you realize that New York could be nice if like 80% of the population just wasn't here all the time because like walking around during quarantine, it's nice. Like there's not a million people on the street and it's like a normal city. You shouldn't be walking around.

Well, I had to get to the office somehow and I, you know, I take walks, uh, just to clear my mind. What if everyone took walks all the time? That walking is encouraged, I believe. What if everyone was doing it? Okay. So you're saying that New York just keep social distance. New York City would be nice if it wasn't for all the people.

Okay. Yeah. Just New York in general, trash teams, trash city. My second pick will then be, I can't believe you didn't do this instead. How about New York City's parking lot, New Jersey? Sopranos. Sopranos is nice. And Jersey Shore.

New Jersey gets a bad rap, I think. And the Jersey Beach is nice. Smells like trash a little bit. You ever been to a Jersey Beach? They're not bad. Yeah. Uh, okay. New Jersey embraces its New Jersey.

New York has this like attitude of aliteness that I just don't, I don't appreciate it. You don't, you don't jive with it? Okay. Uh, and then my third pick, I'll go with Kansas, I don't have nothing for Kansas. The Jayhawks, that's it. Literally nothing. Wizard of Oz, was that movie made 300 years ago?

Great. All right, piggybacking off that. Nebraska. No, no, disagree. Danny Woodhead. Danny Woodhead from North Platte. Okay. PFT.

Really, Nebraska? Yeah, you picked Nebraska. All right. College World Series. Don't we all watch that? Who won the last College World Series? LSU. That might be true.

It might be. Uh, I think Vanderbilt. No, Vanderbilt, uh, Vanderbilt does win it. I was going to say, it's like Caltech Pauly. Vanderbilt had like two good pitchers three years ago, but I don't think they won. Vanderbilt did win it a couple of years ago. 2000 College World Series, Vanderbilt, Vanderbilt. Thank you.

Fuck you, PFT. Vanderbilt. I knew they won it. Michigan. Yeah. All right. Um, don't question my Vanderbilt's juggernaut in baseball. Not a pressure here.

Knowledge. I'm going to go with Missouri. Yeah, it's a good pick. Not a fan of Missouri. For, you know what, Missouri should, Missouri should be better considering all the resources that they have there. They've got the Ozark mountains. They've got a lot of lakes.

They've got some big metropolis areas. But one of the metropolis areas is named after a different state. Their best city. Yeah. Their best is that is in Kansas. It's not even in Missouri. Well, where is, uh, why? What are you going to say?

Well, we, Kansas City is in Missouri. It's in Kansas. Right. But like Arrowhead is in Missouri. Kansas City is in Kansas. But did you not? Arrowhead's in Missouri. Are you disagreeing with the President of the United States?

The, the, okay. So the Kansas City Royals are in Missouri. Based out of Missouri. Yes. So what are you talking about? So you, you basically, you have like many pro sports teams. Have you been to Kansas City, Kansas? Uh, no.

Kansas City, Kansas is better. You, you don't know that. I've been there. Okay. Well, did you go to a chief's game? I did not go to a chief's game. Because they're in Missouri. Mm hmm.

Super Bowl champs are in Missouri. That's not what was reported previously this off season. I don't know what joke you're making about Trump. He said congratulations to the great state of Kansas. Yeah, I don't, I didn't know what joke you were making. Okay. So I, I just didn't, I did not know. Stay informed.

Okay. And then my last one, this might be a little bit controversial. Nevada. Vegas is great. This is awesome. Vegas is great. Reno is okay. But in between that, there's a whole lot of nothing.

Vegas is just too good of a thing to like, that's someplace you go. I'm picking states I'm never going to go to. Fuck them. I, well, New Jersey, I, no, I don't want to go to New Jersey. Fuck that. Sports book. Yeah, I guess I'm going to go to New Jersey.

All right. Your last pick, Hank? This is tough. It's tough. Feels tough. I was literally just about to look up 50 states. I thought, I thought I had one to pick. Do it.

List as many as you can. Hank says Massachusetts. List as many as you can. I will go with the great state of Utah. Freaks. Religious freaks. Only state, only state. Not going to be, or Mormon fan base,

not going to be happy with that one. But like, I don't understand how one state, how, how that works. How does that work? Somebody explain that to me. Hank, you should respect Utahns more, because they are the ones that call LeBron a little B word. That was Gordon Hayward.

But you're going to be LeBron's little B word. Oh, true. Yeah. That wasn't you. They weren't calling LeBron. A B word. They were saying that you're going to go be B worded by LeBron.

By LeBron, yeah. I don't know. I feel like they wouldn't like LeBron much in Utah. Okay. My last pick is going to be Oklahoma. Do you think we have a lot of Mormon listeners? Maybe. It's either all or nothing.

Like, we're either the hottest Mormon podcast. I feel like when we talked about soaking, like, we didn't really get a big response. Kyle Veranoi. We are literally the hottest. Kyle Veranoi was on my Twitter. The hottest podcast in the Mormon community, or not a single Mormon has listened to it.

I think it's one or the other. I don't think if you, like, pull Mormons, they're like, eh, maybe. Do you think that they have a version of part of my take that's like their version of beer where it's 3% alcohol? Bleeps. Bleeps everything out. Where it's bleeped out.

Yeah. What? And they just don't do guys on chicks? Yeah, Mormons don't drink. They do guys on chicks on chicks. What's a 3% alcohol thing? That they serve near beer there. Fun fact about Utah, when they pour beer,

you can only get like a 3% beer in a bar. And when they pour the drink, they have to do it behind a little curtain because you're not supposed to see the alcohol going into the cup because it's too sexual. Right. But it was, this whole thing was invented in like 1942, right? I think it was probably a little bit before that.

Yeah. I want to say 1800s. Yeah, something like that. Oregon Trail Times. Love Danny H, though, and the H fam. Okay, obviously not. This whole state sucks. Yeah, Oklahoma's my final pick.

Oklahoma, okay. I don't really like- It's a JV, Texas. It's a JV, Texas. Tornadoes really suck. And also, I'll be honest, this is probably going to piss off some people, but I still feel like the thunder have blood on their hands

for robbing the world of the supersonics. It's just not right. I think that's fair. It's just not right. You do have great college. It is a college football state, not even a college football town. We also have that waitress Raven at the Chili's in Oklahoma

who had offered us mushrooms, like right after psychedelic mushrooms, right after our appetizers. In Oklahoma? Yeah, Oklahoma City. For what occasion? We were passing through and we stopped at the Chili's and we started talking.

And literally the second time, drinks and appetizers, then she came back and said, you guys like to party? Yeah. I was so friends with her on Snapchat. She gets blunted on the daily before work. Good for her.

Before work. Shout out, Raven. Yeah. Good for her. Also, they got their whole panhandle cooked by Texas. Yeah. So they have the panhandle,

and it makes sense when it's Oklahoma because it does look like a panhandle. But then Texas just said, we're going to call that top left part of our state. If you- The panhandle, it doesn't look like a panhandle, but when I think panhandle, I think like north of Odessa.

Right. If you took the Sooners and the Oklahoma State Cowboys out of Oklahoma, I would never think about Oklahoma. There's no reason to go there. Yeah. I would never, ever think about that state. But I do like watching Sooner games

because I love listening to the music go. And the fucking cart, that's electric. I do maintain that the color of the sky at night during an Oklahoma City night game, it's a different pitch black. It's like the cover that's spinal tabs. Yeah. Because they don't have lights anywhere in the city.

That's fun. In the state, yeah. Yeah, in the entire state. There are two stoplights. Yeah. Okay. Let's get to our interview with Christian Dawkins from the scheme.

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Let's first start with what is your current legal status? Are you in an appeals process? Where are you at with that? Yeah, we are currently appealing both cases. I was involved with two cases. So we're appealing both of the cases that I was involved in, the outcome that I was involved in. Okay, so let's start like assuming

that people haven't seen it. I'm sure a lot of people listening will have seen it because everyone has nowhere to go. But can you give us kind of the backstory of how you got involved in this entire thing and how you became a central figure for this documentary and this case? So are you saying from the vantage point of involved

in the case or involved in the documentary? Involved in the case. Okay, so basically to make a long story short and not give away too much, I was working at a major company. I wanted to start my own representation business on the management side. I decided I wanted to branch off.

It was an amicable split and it was time for me to try to take in outside funding. As I'm having the conversations with the financial advisor at the time who's helping me raise the capital, he introduces me to what he calls or what he thought they were at the time or real estate investors.

So they invested money into his fund, obviously to make themselves seem like they're legitimate business people. He then brings them to me as a potential investor into my new sports business. And once they got in and they gave me money, they bought a piece of the company, we created a contract, blah, blah, blah.

And they were my partners. And as I'm recruiting, as I'm trying to build a business, they're right there side by side, trying to build a criminal case. That's essentially what happened. So your business that you were trying to start was you were developing these relationships

with kids, whether they were high school players from the AAU circuit, whatever, and just kind of being there for them, helping them as they were trying to figure out what college they were going to go to in the hope that when they were drafted in the NBA, you would be their legal representative for marketing deals, things like that.

Is that a fair assessment? Correct. Okay, so you're trying to work with these kids and the guy that you end up getting into business with turns out that he is working for the FBI. He's an FBI agent. And his idea is to give you money, but he's not interested in catching you paying kids

because as they said in the documentary, that's not illegal. It's not illegal for somebody to give a high school kid $10,000, $50,000. It just happens to be against the NCAA bylaws, which is not in the US penal code. So this guy who is the FBI agent, he's trying to change the way that you do business

and giving you money and instructing you to pay this money to coaches. And it was fascinating hearing your reaction to that because it was clear that you were like, this guy doesn't know how business is done here. How long did it take you taking his money to be like, there's something seriously wrong, like what's in it for him if he's just giving you money

to hand to coaches? I'll be honest with you guys, man. I mean, the calls that you guys heard are pretty much the come to Jesus calls when we had, like I'm like, this is stupid, but at the same time, there was numerous conversations almost immediately from the beginning when we just started discussing the finances

because you got to remember this, like usually in the representation of business, when you sign a first round pick, you don't commission them on their contract, their agency or the representation you give because it's set, it's slotted. How can you say that you should get paid? So my whole thing was like,

yo, we're not going to make money for four years on these players that we're signing. We can't spend hundreds of thousands of dollars paying their coaches because think about it, if we're talking about five grand a month, that's 60 grand that's gone to someone who can't even really help. He can't close, they can help or they can hurt,

but they can't close an agent or a manager or financial person getting a player. So in my mind, it was like, in the beginning I thought, well, maybe he's just overeager or into the sports business or he thinks I can be overly successful. There's a call that I don't know if he got played in a doc, I don't remember,

but between me and Jeff, D'Angelo, where I say to him, who do you think signed the most players last year in the draft? And he guesses and I said, no, it was me. I mean, because that year coming off at ASM, we had the most guys in the draft that year. So I'm like, I signed four guys last year. I almost had to kill myself to do it.

So I basically was like, I'm not going to be able to sign 10 guys. I don't have the bandwidth for it. So mathematically, the numbers did make a lot of sense to me. And I also looked at it like we should be building cash flow. So if we do have to do something to require a client, we're taking care of them and their family trade, that kind of stuff.

So almost immediately I sensed it. I never sensed that it was the FBI though, I'll be honest. Obviously, I would have just jumped out of it. But yeah, I never sensed that this was the FBI. I just thought it was an investor who really didn't understand the economics of the business that he was entering into. So there's a moment in the documentary

where you're basically like, fuck the NCAA. And we kind of have the same mindset. It's a very weird story when you lay it all out and it's like, what exactly is the crime to pay a player to go to a college? Like why is that a crime? And the NCAA, my standpoint has always been, they know what's happening.

They're going to look the other way because millions of dollars are being made, billions of dollars are being made. From your perspective, is every single NCAA, college basketball team cheating in some form or fashion? I think that, I think that, if you let's say it's 300 schools, I don't know how many is division one. I would think a good portion of the schools

that are winning at a high level are doing something. And it doesn't necessarily mean that they're dropping bags off at someone's house. But you've got to get creative, man. Like this is, it's a blood sport to get talent. And if you think about it, think about it from this perspective. And this is why I say, fuck the NCAA. They have these rules in place

when common sense would tell anybody, if you're being hired and being paid $4 million a year to coach, you better get the top players. No one wants to lose that job, bro. This is a great, great gig. So the basic rules of capitalism would have educated all of us to understand. If there's a lot of money out here to be made,

chances are people are going to do what they can to get it, especially if they're not hurting anyone or especially if they're not stealing. Nothing here is a crime besides people getting what they're supposed to be getting. You know what I mean? So I don't think that cheating is something that doesn't happen because people feel bad about it or they think that it's an awful thing.

You got to remember, a lot of these basketball coaches were once NCAA players. So think about it. Why would a coach think it's a bad thing when he's been there before? They know what it is. So this whole idea that all these things are so terrible and cheating is a curry, I guess the question I would ask is something cheating if everyone's feeling it.

Yeah, we agree. So to me, I didn't say that fuck the NCAA to be rude or to be a bad person. It's literally the only organization in the world where they can generate billions that don't have to compensate the talent. I mean, if Jeff Bezos or one of these Bill Gates, these other billionaires who gets blasted every day when you're using their likeness and you're using their images

20 years later and monetizing it, that doesn't even make sense. I thought it was interesting that what they ended up charging you with was essentially fraud and saying that you had defrauded these universities by failing to deliver the promise of an athlete and essentially admitting that the athletes have this huge monetary value to the colleges that they end up playing for. So by the standards of the United States government, they kind of are saying that players, their value is more than what

$20,000 year scholarship or whatever it might be ends up being on paper. So in a weird way, the United States government is saying like the NCAA is fucked up in the way that they're trying to pass off this whole concept of amateurism. Listen, the government was conflicted across the board because think about it. Like you said, they had to admit that the talent, the players were assets of the universities. They say that in the court transcripts.

I don't know where you guys are from, but the only way something can be an asset is if they're purchased. It has to be a transaction. Something has to occur. So it was confusing to me how one end you're saying that I defrauded the university because I forced them or excuse me not forced. I took away their ability to make correct decisions how they controlled their assets. That's the crime because they couldn't do a normal fraud charge on me

because I didn't make any money. I didn't take any of the money, all the money I gave it to the players. So they created a theory that I caused Louisville and the universities to essentially make the wrong decision on how to allocate resources for their assets. So if you say that on one end, you have to acknowledge the fact that the players are worth something. Like they have to have value. So if the players have value,

how can you say that it's a crime for someone to try to create or monetize that value? Like it literally makes no sense. So the whole thing is backwards, man. The whole case to me, again, I'm biased, but it never made sense to me. It still doesn't. And you're right. There definitely is some conflicting theories.

And that's why I didn't say fuck the Southern District or I didn't say fuck the FBI or fuck a judge or whomever. I said fuck the NCAA because all of it goes back to them. Everything. Without them and those rules, the prosecutors can't charge these cases. They can't. We're not here. We're not having a conversation because the doc doesn't even happen.

So that's the reason why I said fuck them. And I still stand by that because they're the true criminals to me. They're the true problem. And I hope that the athletes and the parents of athletes realize it and understand and try to figure out a way to make it right for them. Yeah. No, I actually, I totally agree with you there because it always struck me as a case that the NCAA is only paying attention because the FBI was, you know, gotten FBI got involved.

Then the NCAA was like, Oh my God, I can't believe this is happening. Even though they know it's happening and they basically are condoning it by looking the other way constantly and incentivizing coaches. Like you said, the way the coaches have been incentivized. Why wouldn't they try to do everything they can to keep their job and be successful at it? I'm curious on this and just logistical, like always curious about when the draft happens, you'll see a guy who had maybe like was a top recruit and he'll leave for the draft early. And he'll be a second round pick.

I've been told that those type of players are actually being abused by the system because they probably are leaving because they have to pay someone back because they took money to go somewhere and they have to pay back some agent or something like that. So they're basically going to the draft earlier than they should and not continuing their education, quote unquote education. Is that any true? I've never experienced that because think about it from an economical perspective or a business man perspective.

If you funded a family or if you funded a recruit, obviously you want to have an ROI, right? So it doesn't really make sense to push a kid out of school if you have money into it and essentially ruin your investment. That makes no sense. I think some of the times people leave the draft early because they don't have the finances to take care of their family and themselves. You got to remember agents aren't paying these players hundreds of thousands of dollars a month or some credit.

This is we're talking about 500 bucks. We're talking about $1,000 to grant. It's ain't real money. This is just they're getting their necessities met. They're not getting anything to splurge with for the most part. So I think most of the time is just that they may not necessarily have the finances that they're comfortable with. And sometimes, man, people, you got to remember, everyone's getting feedback from

Scouts in representative. There was a time where, for instance, the player, Fred Van Vliet, he had to make a decision between going back to school and going to the draft. But in his dynamic, his draft stock, his value was what it was. It wasn't going to improve another year of school. So some kids just say, whatever, if I'm going to be a second round big next year, that's what they're projecting me as. And I might as well come out of school because really, what are you,

you're just wasting a year to possibly be injured, lose even more value. And at that point, you're not even going to make it to the NBA. So it's much deeper and it's a lot more information that players have at their disposal and their representatives have at their disposal to make those kind of decisions. I don't think people are making them because they took, you know, three grand from an agent who really has no, what is an agent going to do? Like he can go tell us, you can't tell nobody. So the players have all the leverage at that point.

I don't think they're making decisions because some agent has paid a light bill or pay for someone to get to a game. Right. So your line of business was just develop those relationships with players, keep in touch with them while they're in college and then hope that once they start getting paid, that they'll come back to you and do business with you. But there was never any, like you can't write a contract to say that obviously, because it's against all sorts of rules.

So you're just hoping that once they make it to the NBA, they're like, okay, Christian's been with me for the last couple of years. I know him. He knows my family. We trust him. So now we're going to do business with him. Right. Correct.

So you think about it in theory, if I'm getting you paid before you've been a professional, you don't have to question, one, if I'll work hard for you and two, if I can get you paid, the proof is already there. So I almost sometimes in an agent business or people who represent talent, when they're trying to steal a client or get a client, the line is to become their agent before you're their agent. So you almost start to represent them and you start to do things and you start to do deals because how else can you really show your value if you don't actually do it?

You're just talking. So my theory was if I get in with these guys and they're young, I can essentially act as their representative to sneaker companies, to universities, to whomever and hopefully provide some kind of value, provide information to point them in the right direction so they can obviously play well and make it and hopefully even maybe get them compensated so their time in college can be as stress-free and as smooth as possible. That was my plan and like you said, if they turn pro, if they're actually a pro, I'll probably have a good chance to get them because if you get in early, you're able to

show your value, chances are they're going to stay with you. I mean, it's not that many guys that's going to the league every year, 30 guaranteed players. So we're all going after the same players. It's a bunch of competition. You have to do something to separate yourself from the pack, from everybody else, from the pack. So that was my thinking of how to do it. Obviously, it didn't fully work because of the case and everything like that,

but that was my plan and my strategy. Okay, so going off of that, how good were you at picking out a guy in middle school, high school and being like, that guy is destined for something? The story, the documentary starts, you grew up in the same town as Draymond Green. Like, did you know Draymond Green was going to be an NBA player at an early age? Do you know, what was your hit rate, so to speak, of guys you would look at and be like, okay, this is someone I want to help out. This is someone that I hopefully someday become their agent.

So you asked the loaded question because my basketball evaluation skills are something that's very personal and dear to me. Of course, I think that I had a great eye. I did not know Draymond Green was going to be a first bad Hall of Fame. I will not lie to you. And what you remember, Draymond kind of changed the NBA too. So none of us would have thought that he was going to be who he was because the league wasn't, the league wasn't like, he made the league how it is today.

If you really think about it, he kind of created his own lane. But most of the time, I was usually on the money. I started seeing Malik Beasley play when he was, Kobe Simmons at the time was supposed to be the best player on his team. Fred Van Vleet was undrafted. Justin Paddy, when I signed him, when I first started recruiting him, no one knew who he was. He had come up with a red shirt he had created. I mean, most of the people I had wasn't well known like that in the beginning.

Even when I was doing AU at 17-18, Kyle Kuzma, if you look at the dot closely, Kyle Kuzma was in the back of that Dorian's pride team. He was not NBA All-Star potentially, Kyle Kuzma at that time. I mean, Josh Jackson was on that team. I knew he was the best player in the country when he was 16. So it just depends on the player and the situation and everything like that. No one's perfect, but I think I had a pretty good eye. And basketball is the one sport where you can kind of guess pretty actively.

Football, you can't do this because you don't know. But basketball, you kind of can have a more of an educated guess. And that's what I was doing. And I think I had a pretty good eye for it. One of my favorite parts of the documentary is when it talks about the recruiting service that you created back when you were in, I think in high school, and you listed yourself as being four inches taller than you really were. I mean, welcome to the club.

That's like, that's my life in a nutshell. Did you ever list anybody that you didn't like on a personal level as being like shorter, smaller, not as good just because you didn't want to get them recruited? That's a great question. That's a yes. That's a yes. And I'm sick that I didn't do it because I should have used that scouting service as a scouting service as a mechanism to take down my enemies.

But I didn't. I may relaunch it and list people three inches shorter than they are. That's really funny and something that I'm sure will annoys it. You should just, you should relaunch it and just like do a scouting report for Mark Emmer and just, and just list them as like five to no skills. That's just the whole, that's the whole scouting. Exactly. I'm sure that Mark would love to hear from Christian Dawkins and hear what his thoughts are right

now. Absolutely. I should do that and cover Mark Emmer to do that piece. That was one mistake that you made. The other mistake that I thought you made in the documentary was you trusted somebody named Marty Blazer. And that's, that should be a red flag right there that the guy's name is Marty Blazer. He's got like a Macklemore haircut.

He, this guy is the guy that started the entire investigation against you. Have you been in touch with him since the shit hit the fan? I wish I could be in touch with Marty Blazer. If I was, I probably really would be in prison right now. I want to correct you. I never trusted him. He was smart because he did get to the person that I did trust. But, but he definitely was a red flag from the beginning for me.

But I, it was pitched to me that he wouldn't be involved and he would, he wouldn't be around. That's why when you see him in Vegas, I, my tone becomes irritated because I was pissed that he was even there. But no, Marty, Marty definitely caused a lot of, I don't even know the word for what he caused. And it's kind of crazy to me that he was even able to kind of start his own mini investigation after stealing millions of dollars. I don't know how he was, how he pulled that off. But no, I haven't talked to him.

I have no reason to talk to him. If, if Marty Blazer, you know, if I never speak to him again, I won't be upset at all. Did you ever see the movie Mafia that he made? Because the doc glossed over that and it looks like it's fucking sweet. I think the Mafia movie looks awful. So again, I'll disagree with you. Is that Ving Reims? Like with blood on his hands being like, I'm in the Mafia.

Well, let's just say Ving Reims is actually my guy. I love him. I want to know who represents Ving because maybe I should be repping Ving Reims because who the fuck allowed him to be in that movie? Um, but, but no, I didn't see the film. I don't know if anyone's seen the film. I guess that's another thing we should probably find out. Is that film out in the world?

Can we find that movie? We might have to review it. We got to find it. We got to find it. We do. Yeah. Um, so Christian, I had one last question and it is, uh, what the future is for you. Because clearly you're talented at this and I don't know if there's a still this exists

or like you would be too, you know, you can't really be under the radar anymore, so to speak. So what, like after everything, you know, settles, let's say that you win your appeal, does Christian Dawkins find his way back into the agent world? This kind of gray area that the NCAA has created. Where, where do you go? Well, first and foremost, I want to, I want to do as much as I possibly can to share my story. Um, and through our foundation, try to get the NCAA rules changed. That was part of the reason I did the documentary just to kind of expose what the byproducts can be.

You know, what the NCAA rules can cause basically. Um, so, so that'll be my, my most important priority is through our foundation trying to get those rules changed. As far as me being back in the representation business, I manage artists and stuff like that now. If I'm going to be involved in the athlete business, it would have to be with, with agents who are certified and, and I'm overseeing. I don't have the time anymore to be as day to day as I was a couple of years ago. So, so, so I have multiple businesses now. We're successful.

God, God's blessed us through this COVID thing that we still have money coming in and everything like that. But as far as me with, with the management thing, that would be people. I'm just, I'm just overseeing managers at this point. I can't, I don't have the time day to day because like you said, I'm not really under the radar anymore. Um, so yeah, my plans is just to continue, you know, everything that I'm doing now on the label side. We have the joint venture at Atlantic. We have a management company. We have a publishing company.

Obviously, you know, we had the first, the scheme was the first project from a TV or film side, but there'll be other announcements soon. Um, in the entertainment space. I, I, that's probably the only thing that I can say right now. Right now. My last question is, uh, how much money is coach K paying you to not throw him under the bust in this whole investigation? Listen, man, I, I, I wish coach K would, would, would do something for me. I have got nothing from Duke.

I will not let that be in the universe. Damn. Um, coach K, coach K is just a great, great person. Just a great coach. You're coming out again, Christian. Can't hear you, dude. So it's a good amount. Oh man.

That's hilarious. That's hilarious. Real quick, do it, do a lot of these programs use like, uh, bitcoin and cryptocurrency to get away with, with funneling some of this money? I would tell you this, they should, if we use that, we wouldn't have been in this dynamic right now. That's the new, that, that is, it's funny that you say that because, and you're joking, but like if the rules don't change, they're going to, there's going to have to be a way that the players and the families can continue to get what they're, they're supposed to get.

It has to happen. So it wouldn't surprise me if that's the, that's the move in the next couple of years. If nothing changes. I honestly don't know when I'm joking anymore. I think I was serious when I said that actually. Because it's untraceable. No, I mean, I think honestly, listen, if the NCAA rules don't change, something is going to be the new thing because it is again, that's how it works.

It has to happen. So it's no, it's the cost of doing business. What are the specific bylaws and rules that your foundation is trying to get changed right now? Um, just, I just want, I just want, listen, the, the, the whole idea that everyone's going to get a salary and the players are, are all going to make money is probably not accurate. But I do think just the basic human right of being able to monetize your image, likeness and name is something that is attainable for athletes. And that, that is the, the thing I think is most realistic and I want to focus on.

So, so there's conversations being had now with politicians and, and people that can actually change these laws. Um, obviously you've seen stuff at the state level, like in California, Florida, that's already taking place. So, so the momentum is in the right direction. I think that, um, our, our focus now is just going to be on solidifying and finalizing what the actual fine print will say. Cause that's something that's going to be hugely important for all athletes moving forward.

Okay. Awesome. Well, thank you very much, Christian. We appreciate it. Everyone go watch the scheme on HBO. Christian Dawkins, thank you so much. Really appreciate your time, man. I appreciate you too, boss. Thanks man. Good luck. Thank you, boss.

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