Pardon My Take - Brian Windhorst, All American Rejects Lead Singer Tyson Ritter, Knicks Save Their Season, Thunder 1 Game Away From Finals, Recapping The Sports Weekend + Jordon Of The Week

Episode Date: May 27, 2025

We're back after the long weekend and pumped to talk ball with the boys. The Knicks season was saved on Sunday night and KAT took over. John Halliburton is being allowed to attend games again (00:00:00-00:18:28). We talk some hockey and the Hurricanes have finally won an ECF game (00:18:28-00:25:27). We were live for end of Thunder/Wolves and it feels like the series is over. We get a little sideways talking baseball, sneezes, and sperm (00:25:27-00:41:42). Who's back of the week including Lacrosse Natty, USA Hockey dominating and Ryan Clark still going (00:41:42-01:01:09). Brian Windhorst joins the show live from Game 4 in Minneapolis to talk Thunder/Wolves, how scary the Thunder are, what the future is for the Timberwolves, plus Knicks/Pacers, what Thibs may do for Game 4 and a great Halliburton story (01:01:09-01:45:06). Lead singer from The All American Rejects Tyson Ritter joins us in studio to talk about his music career, doing pop up shows this summer at random locations, the ebbs and flows of creativity and being in a band and tons more (01:45:06-02:11:51). We finish with a monday reading and Jordon of the week (02:11:51-02:29:32).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take

Hey, pardon my take listeners. You can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. On today's pardon my take, we are back and we've got two great interviews for you. We got Brian Winhorse talking NBA playoffs. We obviously were gone for a few games. We got a lot to recap we also have Lead singer of the all-american rejects who played a concert in our office on Thursday Tyson Ritter awesome Interview with him. They're doing a very cool thing this summer doing like random pop-up shows really cool guy talking about the music industry We are going to recap everything that took place over the weekend. Nick's Pacers, we're going to talk Wolves and Thunder with Wind Horse.

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Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app. Use code TAKE. That's code TAKE for new customers to get $300 in bonus bets if you bet wins when you bet just five bucks only on DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Tuesday, May 27th and we're back boys. It's good to be back. Great to be back. Good to be back with the boys. What a good weekend too. Great weekend. Great weekend. A lot of sports. It's just good to see the boys. How

was everyone's weekend? It was great. It was awesome. I quit golf. Nice. So that's huge. That's welcome. Yeah. No, it feels good. Yeah. Thank you. Quit to on Monday. Yeah. Mm hmm. He's back this week. Max, how was your weekend? Great. I had a great weekend and I'm I'm bringing back golf. So you're quitting. I'm starting. Oh wow. It's a one in one out. Yep. Yep. Okay. Memes. How was your weekend? Because guess what? The real start to the show is the New York Knicks might be back. My weekend was great. I didn't do much, but it was great. I'm working on getting jacked right now. Oh, hell yes. Nice. Nice. What about the Knicks being back? They're almost back. Almost back. They were back last night.

Well, they were dead last night too. They were so dead. Timbs was fired in the first half. So let's start with this, because Kn Nick spacers. I love this series so much It is so chaotic both teams are basically Hell bent on playing the most chaotic brand of basketball whether it be the Pacers doing the thing where three times these playoffs They've been down seven points or more under a minute and won the game or the Knicks who last night were the first team in the playoffs ever to have three victories where they were down 20 points in the game.

They did it twice against the Celtics. They did it against the Pacers. They just can't play normal basketball and I absolutely love it. It's been the entire playoffs for both these teams too. And also the Thunder had that comeback where it was the second biggest in NBA playoff history. That was when Ja got hurt. Yeah. It's just been the, it's been the year of the comeback. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, this game though, I mean, Carl Anthony Towns, that's the guy. It was, I love him so much. He's so fun. And I know that, uh, he's, he's kind of captured the internet of,

of being zesty. And there's always some people who feel like they're making from, I just, I love the fact that he's like a unique character. Yeah, he's totally different than it seems like all the other players and then last night in the fourth quarter, Jalen Brunson in foul trouble, Carl Anthony Towns like, you know what, I got to do this and he scored 20 points in the fourth quarter. And he was like, you know, when, when Carl Anthony towns is going to that next level where he realizes, Oh yeah, I'm seven feet. I could just go to the rim and score on these guys. Yeah, he was. So he was also hitting three. He was, but he goes, yeah, where he

puts his head down and he just goes at people and he yammed on a few folks yesterday. It feels like the threes happen. He can get into that groove of threes after he reminds himself like oh, yeah I can drive on these guys. He got like a big and one and it almost like unlocked something in his brains I'm Carl Anthony Towns. I'm big purr I think what he likes to do it He likes to hit a three because he just holds his hand up in the air for like 10 seconds after oh, yeah He loves like a full spin around with his hands still up He realizes occasionally that after he dunks on somebody, he can also celebrate

after that. And then once he gets fired up, then it's like, they don't, you don't know how to defend the guy in that situation. But with Tibbs, Tibbs was forced into playing his bench, which he didn't want to do, but everybody got in foul trouble. So Tibbs is like, okay, I have to do this. And it turns out that the bench was really, really good, at least defensively Yeah, and it also is very funny because he changed up the the Knicks starting five was historically bad defensively and

That was the storyline going to game three. You have to change something up. So they put Mitchell Robinson in the starting lineup I like how he did it where he basically was like Josh Hart You're not starting which Josh Hart said afterwards, it was his decision. So instead, Josh Hart would just sit for the first like four to five minutes of each half and then play the rest of the half. Was because they can't do Hakimitch. Yeah, right. If you can't do Hakimitch when he starts. Yeah. And, but Josh Hart, he is, I mean, he's the heart of the team. That's a very bad pun, but it's the truth. Like his rebounding and his grit and Jalen Brunson was sitting on the bench for this comeback in the fourth quarter

And it was just it felt like the Knicks had a moment I don't know what happened in that in that halftime, you know locker room speech, but their season was over It was they were gonna quit it was over They were gonna go outside and then they found something and it was Carl Anthony Townsend, Josh Hart and their bench and they're back. And I, I don't want, I mean, obviously we have to see what happens with game four, but this series has played out with three games. The, the margin of, uh, the difference between these two teams is two points. So it's not like, it's not like the Knicks got blown out in the first two games, then they win game

three. They are very much in this series and to have that resiliency and comeback was awesome. They had all the jokes being made on Knicks fans' heads in the first half. Yeah, I mean these two teams are so similar in that if they're losing early, they're probably going to win. Yeah. And so it makes for a very, very entertaining fourth quarter. Watching the fourth quarter yesterday,

I actually had the very dumb thought in my head of the Pacers were down like four with about 250 left, thanks to having a sneeze-gazm. And I thought in my head, the Pacers aren't down enough. Yeah. Like they're not, they have to, when you're down four, you're playing possession by possession, they need to down like 10. Yeah them to win this game So what was that stat that the Pacers have never won a playoff game on?

The Indy 500 afternoon they've so they've hosted their own for for Eastern Conference Final games on the same day as the Indy 500 in their own for yeah tough Yeah, very tough shout out the guy who won the Indy 500 Paulo Alex Pal for. Yeah, tough. Yeah, very tough. Shout out the guy who won the Indy 500. Paolo. Alex Palau. Great job. Paloo. Yeah, good. I'm happy for you. That seems like such a fun race to go to. I wish that we'd stuck around for. I was good. You were just going two days in the snake pit? Yeah, I was good. I thought we had enough time. I think I'd like to do one day in the snake pit during actual race day. I was good. I feel like I got my Indy 500 experience. I can't wait to hear your story from here. Yeah.

Cars went fast. Yeah. I mean, it really is, it's about being drunk around loud things. Yeah. I would like to do that. Yeah. No, going to NASCAR events is fun. Going to Indy 500 is fun.

But I was, I think I'm good. I think it's just that I'd like to be drunk around as many people as possible who are also as drunk as I am. That's really what I'm searching for. Which we's just that I'd like to be drunk around as many people as possible who are also as drunk As I am Lot was is The peak of drunk it is intense. Yeah, but memes congratulations on your Knicks coming back from the dead very happy for you What are your thoughts on the comeback happening when Jalen Bronson was off the court? For some reason the series they're just playing better without him but it's a team game that's weird did you say that the Knicks are

better without Jalen Bronson this series this that's what that's literally what he said series they have been playing better without him when he is off the court mmm it's interesting he did hit that that lamp he did he did hit the lamp I was I was ready to you, you were you were standing by standing back standing by written out ready to go. What would it what would your tweet said if you had put it out? Are the Knicks better without Jalen Brunson? I think you got to ask that question. Do you still have to ask it? No, he's the closer he is. He did kind of close the game. He is the closer, but it was it was the Carl Anthony Towns and, and, and shout out Dominican Mother's

Day. I liked that. He'd said that after, I mean, he obviously lost his mother tragically during COVID. I also read an article of Carl Anthony Towns. It was written by a beat writer in Minneapolis. The day that he got traded, the next day before he flew to New York, he had agreed to go to this beat writers daughter's soccer game Yeah, and he went to the game in full Timberwolves gear After he had been traded and was like the everyone was coming up to him being like a so sorry We like but that was the type of guy like Find me another superstar. That's like I just got traded

From the only franchise have been on and I'm gonna stay an extra day because I'm gonna I'm gonna stay with my commitment here to go see like 10 year old soccer game. Good dude He is a good dude, and I'm very happy for him that he had this moment. He's the big per yeah I like that yeah, ah so other things Aaron East with got hurt. That was bad. I feel like he's very important That's not overstating it. I feel like he's very important. Uh, that's not overstating it. I wonder what his status is going to be. We'll talk to Wendy about that. He's up in the air. Questionable. I think is what I game time decision is what I saw. We also had big news that Tyrese Halberton's dad has been reinstated by the league. Yeah.

He'll be at the game on Tuesday night in a suite, so he's not allowed to go courtside, but he's going to be in a suite and this could be a game changer. So if it goes poorly, I'm fully ready to flip on his dad. I've been the number one Halliburton father supporter of all time. And in this case, I feel like it could be very, very good for the Pacers, but if they get their ass kicked at home, I'm fully ready to just flip and be like, you've got to ban this guy again. Yeah, no, I completely.

I think it's like game to game. Yeah. Depending on what they do the most recent time at home, either he's welcome and they give him a pregame ceremony, or he's not allowed inside the arena at all. Yeah, he's cheering for his job. Yep. We should put out the graphic.

He's cheering for his job. This is a John Halliburton legacy game. Yeah, absolutely He he needs to speak in the legacy games our friend Stephen Che had a legacy game because he went down to Indianapolis to watch the next he said I'm here for business So I put it all on him memes you said I will suck you off quote to Stephen Che I was that taken out of context. What was that was just guys being dudes.

It was a Stephen Chase said no smiles all business is a game three. I'm here to save the season and you just replied I'll suck you off. Yeah, he saved the season. That's just a guy put himself For the team. He's for the team. I'll be for the team. Wait, did you say this before the game or after the game? Yeah, okay, you didn't say if it like that's just a no you said in whenever you want There's a reward for winning the game. Yeah, and if it goes the game for it will double down I do think that anything you say within 30 minutes of a big win. That's like talking to a lawyer Oh, no, this was the next morning. Oh is the next morning the next morning So yeah, so you had a you had a night to go to bed Thinking about stuck sucking Stephen Che off

He got horny you had an overnight where you could have dreamed about sucking him off and you woke up in the morning And you chose sex no no no it was it was after the game. Oh shit. You're right. It was okay Yeah, my bad. It says p.m.. I thought it was a I think you get a little grace period like like talking to a lawyer Whatever you say to your your husband or wife You know inadmissible in court if you say it after a big win, you can't be persecuted for it. I got a question memes so Everyone knows the schedule this week. We're doing Tuesday. We're doing a show today That's coming out Tuesday and then next show will be Friday. So two shows this week

You have Tuesday night off We live three hours away from Indianapolis. Why don't you and Stephen Che go to the game? You could suck him off there. I would love to. Why don't you? PFT and I will buy you tickets, you and Stephen Che tickets to the game, game four. Sure. But you have to suck him off. You have to suck him off. If they win? Roadhead on the way down All right. All right, so you're in damn it. What if he can't go? Are you gonna go? I got go by myself

Okay, there's another name go with Tom. I could go with Tom. Okay, so means Not on the water. Are you gonna are you gonna suck Tom off? Won't suck Tom off someone's gotta come here It probably be you if you win alright, so memes will be there alright So should we I mean should we send should we send like pug down there? I think party over chronicle Yeah, I think I think the boys need to go to Indy. I mean I'm down I think the boys need to go to Indy. We should tell Jerry O'Connell to come Me go oh what a tree

You always see him Tim stuck around town who Tim Tim They're showing a lot of Timmy C. He does look cool. Yeah, he looked pretty cool. He looked like Pete Webber. They are showing a lot of him. You know what's not fair? When a guy is that good looking where he tries to look ugly on purpose and he somehow gets hotter. Right. That's bullshit.

I also- Like my costume, my culture is not your costume, Tim. Yeah. I also was thinking about it because they were showing a lot of him and I was like, this might be a little too much. Timmy C. And then I realized, you know what? I'm going to have Timmy C's back. He's the only one who went like, where was Larry David? Where was Ben Stiller? Where was Spike Lee? So they have to show him. Where was Turtle? Where was Turtle? Where's Jerry? Yeah. So Tim Chalamet is the only one that gets credit here and they might have to go iso cam on him But that's because no other Nick's fans wet wait should we try to get turtle to go with him, too

We should try to get memes with Tim Chalamet Might hit up turtle Steven Shea memes and Tim Chalamet sitting on the wood. What a trio doubt the pussy patrol. Holy fuck What do you think tickets for the wood what a trio that the pussy patrol holy fuck what do you think tickets for the wood cost it's actually probably not I mean it's it's definitely expensive but it's not it's not like LA or New York 20k oh that's okay we're out on the wood I love you memes I love you that much I was just I wouldn't sit on the wood like actually considering the wood. No, that's that's insane There will look up game time. I mean

Yeah, no, listen, I I wouldn't pay 20 20k for a wood seat if the Bulls were in this I would not that's so Much money for one game, but you like you you could lose you lose the game I don't know if you win. That's true. But it's not even a clinching game I would almost rather have somebody else go to it than me go to that game. If it was my team. Right. All right. You're part of the loss. If you're on the wood, we can find you the get in prices and terrible. So we'll get, we'll get you in. All right. We'll, we'll schedule that whole thing. Yeah. Game time picks. All right. What else? So we're watching the end of the Jerry curse. It was curse on the wood. I mean, no, we else so we're watching the end of the Jerry curse it was curse on the wood

I mean, no, we should bring that up. Oh, yeah, and he also got clowned by Charles Barkley on Friday night He did I said you can't be a grown man wearing a jersey Jerry can wear whatever. Yes. That's good I think Charles is just self-conscious cuz he he can't pull off a jersey. He can't fit in but Jerry can yeah No, Jerry look good. You see his wife Jerry yeah yeah superlative really good-looking follows us on Twitter Jerry does okay DM'd her me too yeah I think she's gonna did she write you back yeah she was like no funny business I was like I don't know what the funny business would even

be but but she's thinking about it yeah I I feel like she was hitting on me actually now that I'm saying it out loud. You know what? I feel so strongly about not DMing her. I might just tell her like here's my number so that we can text instead. The DM thing is kind of weird. I'll be honest with you. I don't want to be DMing another man's wife.

We'll just talk about it. Yeah, that's a good idea. That's a good idea. FaceTime only. Okay, so the looks like the Thunder are going to go up three one the game on What was that? I've lost track of all days the game on Saturday Timberwolves kicked the shit out of the Thunder screwed up their point differential, which they were on a historic run Beat him by 40. It was which

That should count as two wins It doesn't but to beat the Thunder how good good the Thunder are, that soundly was, that was impressive. They had to do it. They had to have a statement at home. And I thought that they might come out hot. But I did not think that they were going to win by that many points. Yeah, they came out more physical and just took it to them. All right, so we're watching right now.

We have nine seconds left. And the T Wolves are, are sorry Timberwolves I shouldn't say T-wolves people get mad let's talk hockey while we watch the end of this should we talk some hockey? Let's talk some puck. The Carolina Hurricanes have finally won an Eastern Conference final game so congrats to them 15 losses in a row in the Eastern Conference finals crazy. Yeah since 2006? Yeah, insane

stat. I thought they were dead in the water, but they win a game. They go back to Carolina. We get a little bit of a series. I'm at the point too, I don't know if you agree with this BFT, but when it comes to all these series, because I got no real rooting interest in any of this stuff, I'm just rooting for more. Okay, so I'm not necessarily rooting rooting for more what I'm rooting for is for the Stanley Cup and the NBA Finals to happen at the same time. Yeah, I will around the same time I don't know how the schedules work out with like how they're set Yeah, but I would just prefer to not have one series be over while the other sport is still going I'd agree. I basically get to this point when I have nothing left no futures no teams in it I'm basically rooting in all of these sports like Mario Kart whoever's at the end

I'm just want them to get a lightning or a blue shell and I want them to catch up and I want to go to Game six or seven and I want more play. This feels like a gentleman sweep though I don't think that the Hurricanes are gonna come back. I think that the the Panthers are a much much much better team They've got a couple injuries though. I do realize that, but I feel like this is the very definition of gentleman sweep. They get game four and then game five is going to be all Panthers. So we were talking about jinxes. Please baby. Can I throw a jinx, a potential jinx out there for the, all right, so the Thunder, oh Shade's

going to the free throw line again. That was actually an intentional foul. Uh, can I throw out a potential jinx for the Panthers hurricane series that I received, uh, 10 minutes after puck dropped? Yes. Uh, here was the, what I received. I received a text message. Hi, Dan. If the Florida Panthers make the Stanley Cup finals, I'm inviting you, Hank, and PFT to come to a finals game. First row on the glass. VIP food and drink included.

My treat. I know who this is. If you all can't come, you can send PFT's mom. God damn it. She's asked about wherever I go nationally. God damn it. Nationally. Nationally. The angels are good guys.

Sorry about Portnoy Celtics. Not. He wrote not is this Brooks. You were all missed though. Keep up the great work. Marlins man. Oh man. What a twist. I love the not. I could see the word not there. And yeah, it's a good not. It's a good not nationally.ally, people are asking about your mom. Listen, I think that my mom would say, son, your friend Marlon's man seems like a good guy, but tell him it's strictly platonic. Yeah. So yeah, I'd agree with you. I think the Panthers will win that series. I think it's going to be over in five. And the Oilers look awesome. Real quick, memes and just all New York York fans What is up with New York Knicks fans just saying Knicks in?

Whatever like four games in a row is gonna be at that just proving they can count yeah Why why not I haven't heard anybody say like I think it's gonna be Knicks in seven. It's either Nixon's so I'm ski It's but it's not always Knicks in six. It's always I've heard people say Knicks in five before That's true when it was to one against the against the Celtics I Think they just say the numbers. Yeah, they just say whatever for it's pretty cocky Yeah, I don't I just don't yeah, I don't think people want to think about a game seven by the way pray Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna back Nick's fans and because there was a lot of clowning when they were down in half and like the street signs

Which you know like oh you guys did street signs again. This goes back to my point. Uh, a week ago, you have to enjoy the ride. People just pull the plug so quickly on enjoying the ride. That's like a, that's small town nonsense. So if you're New York, if you're a big bad New York, but they haven't won anything in forever, act like you've been there, but they haven't I hate what people like Their conference finals no yeah have fun enjoy the ride. Yes, you don't know if it's gonna happen again Yeah, I agree Hank for you. Yes, you should always act like you've been there, but you never do also This is what like you know you don't really act like it either

This is also I feel like people get confused with like fans should celebrate However, they want the team didn't celebrate anything It's stupid politicians that put up the street signs who like try to get in on the sports Whatever sports moments go to mouth that wasn't like I doubt that the Knicks themselves put up those signs No, so it's I feel like it's you know Like if the if the Knicks themselves were like jobs finished after beating the Celtics, then you could clown them. But they, I, I didn't hear them say that. No, it's, it's the fans and the fans should enjoy themselves. Like

if you're, even if you're in Raleigh tonight, you won one game in the Eastern conference finals. Yeah. Uh, go stay out till 2am at whatever local craft pub that you like to go enjoy it. And I'm not saying don't make the jokes. I mean, people are going to make the jokes about the street signs. Hank, you made some jokes about experience. And I'm not saying don't make the jokes. I mean, people are going to make the jokes about the street signs. Hank, you made some jokes about street signs, I'm sure. It's fine to make the jokes, but I'm just saying, like, that's not... No, it's not the team's fault. The fans...

The city. The city. But the city politicians always try to do that, where they get involved. New York Bad Sports Town? That's a Bad Sports Town move. Also, they're in this series. They are in this series. Yeah, people killed, people buried them pretty quickly.

Way too quickly. It was halftime. Way too quickly. They only down 13 and a half. It's NBA. Well, in the second quarter, it looked like it was going to be over. And to make it 13 points and a half, that was a major win for the Knicks. Yeah.

We're playing a foul game, by the way, in the Thunder Timberwolves game. So the Oilers, Oilers look awesome and the Oilers I believe would have home ice over the Panthers. Yeah they look good. McDavid, he just looks different out there. What'd you guys think about the start time of that game? Terrible. The NHL camp, two things happened this weekend that still baffled, and this is like old man yelling at clouds, the game three of the Western Conference Final and the Stanley Cup playoffs starting at two o'clock

Central time, so three o'clock Eastern, on Sunday of Memorial Day weekend. That is the most grill time you could possibly have. I was grilling. Yeah, it was bad. It was bad, I forgot about the first period. Yeah. So that was terrible. And then also- Like a universal day of plans.

Yeah. You have to do something. Correct. And then the other one is I don't understand how the MLB still can't figure it out that Memorial Day happens to start summer every year and you haven't figured out a way to have wall-to-wall baseball games. Yeah, it is. It's weird. It's crazy. It's very strange.

Crazy to me. So yeah, those two- There were a lot of games today, but not every team. No, and it should be like, there should be games starting very early and it'd go all day and it should be all nationally broadcast. Like why wouldn't you do that? Yeah, I don't get it. Ted Williams Day. Call it Ted Williams Day. Yeah. All right, so this game is going gonna take forever to finish. I mean the Thunder are gonna win, right? that means the Thunder gonna win. I think they're gonna win. They're three. They're up three three seconds left

Ant at the line the Thunder did an incredible job with ant in the first first half where ant I think he attempted two shots in the first, they just stopped everything. He had a tough night. He also might not be super healthy. No, but- He's had two of those injuries where he goes down and you're like, oh shit, the entire playoffs are ruined because it looks like Ant's injured and then he just comes back. But we can't, we make fun of LeBron when that happens the difference is these are real injuries

Okay, these ones are 100% legit true. Everyone's got something. Well, he's got that Michael Jordan DNA in them Yeah, by the way, congratulations. He does Did you guys see? The I have two I have two nominees for alright, so the Thunder Have officially won no no no they all went out of bounds this is exciting podcasting this is this is the good oh we're gonna get a review too we are gonna actually recap the game with windy so we will have some actual insight into this game mostly from Brian

Winhorse, not from us. Definitely not from us. Not from us, other than Anthony Edwards. I think he should have played better. PFT thinks he's injured. That was our expert. I would bet my credibility on him.

And also SGA having 40 points and it feels like JDubb is finally taking the next step where he's... Oh, this guy. That's a bad sports time move right there Yeah, actually no good sports down. So yeah, you gotta touch you gotta get all the way out there great sports time Hank's knees and sneezing have the season Allergies, plus me. I got a little bit of sniffles from going to see AC DC with Josh Allen on Saturday. Mmm Josh I was there. Yeah, nice. nice I was pumped I knew he was in town okay this game's got to just end let's just talk about SGA being awesome 40 points he was very good I mean he took him 30 shots and he did get I don't

know oh you have oh you have boogers on his face oh gross, gross. Stop, stop. Oh, no. Hank, let me see. Oh, it's in your beard. It's in his beard. It's in his beard. Like Bonnie Blue. This is an all time this game needs to end, and it won't end. Hank's nose is coming on his own chin. Oh, Hank.

Sneezing's got to be the most embarrassing thing of all time. It is. What is it? It's like It's like 1 80th of an orgasm or something. I think is that real? Yeah, I think it is. Hell yeah 0.3 said there should be more than that left way more than that left fixes in okay Thunder wind 128 126 we will talk about this game with win horse who we have 180th of an orgasm in a popular but inaccurate Yes, I just saw the I only read the first line. What does that mean like to sperm come out? No, I don't know You got you you do a lot more sperm than that dude. I'd hope well

How many how many do you push out in normal run like a million thousands and thousands and thousands? So it's like maybe five hundred sperm come out the advanced scout team. Yeah This series is over Over great fight by the timber rolls. Yeah now You know what? Let's be the first for a port with the with the three games to one statistics are in the NBA playoffs. You're gonna get an earful of those. This was a great fight by the Timberwolves. I just the Thunder are better. It's not it's just kind of what it is and we're getting you guys see we're getting closer and closer to the there

was I gotta find this someone pointed out that this would be the Paul George finals because he basically created both of these teams we talked about it with SGA a little bit there was a reddit post that it was hold on I'm gonna find it it was what are you looking up you're looking up how many sperm we're doing some good podcasts I got the numbers right here for conference finals oh I can do sperm okay I got sperm okay all right yeah yeah you do my boys are fertile as boys are further that okay NBA conference finals team with a three to one lead wins the series 93.6 percent of the time and that would mean that the team comes back from a one to three deficit six point four percent of the time It's only happened three times. Okay, but it has happened. Yeah, it has happened

This is from Metroids suffering. He said we may be headed to a finals where both teams were built on the back of trading away Paul George. The Indian Pacers traded Paul George to Oklahoma City for Oladipo and Sabonis. Sabonis developed as a player and then they traded him for Tyrese Halberton. The Thunder meanwhile traded Paul George for SGA and seven pick swaps, one of which turned into Jalen Williams. This is not super relevant, but is interesting to me. At least I agree. Yeah, I think it's super. It's the Paul George finals. I think that's the most relevant. So congrats, Max. Yeah. Podcast Paul. You guys are about to get to the NBA finals. He basically was

a team builder of two finals rosters. I'm currently researching sperm. I don't know what you're saying. What do we got? How many? Are you just Googling cum? How many? Uh, how many what? How many happen? How many sperm say what's up? There's, there's, there's no scientific evidence to support that that erectile tissues from different part of your body operate in the same way. We're talking about sneezing. No, we're looking for how many? How many sperms? How many different conversations are we having about sperm? Like, we're having seven different conversations all at once while Hank sneezes in our face. 150 million to 300 million.

We were doing sperm count Paul George and down three. I was still on the sneeze sperm. Alright, so back to hockey. I'm just kidding. That goes towards hockey talk. I was still on the sneeze sperm. All right, so back to hockey That goes that goes towards hockey talk It looks like it varies wildly now I'm reading 80 million to 300 million sperm That's a lot. That's a lot. So every time that you don't get somebody pregnant, you're committing mass mass mass mass and every time you sneeze, although it's inaccurate, you're you're basically releasing millions. Yeah, damn.

Ah, okay. Do you think the series is over? Which one? The Thunder. The Bates is definitely still on. I don't know if we're still talking. Oh, I oilers. Oilers is over. Panthers is over. Yep. Nick's Pater's still on. I didn't know if we were still talking. Oh, hockey. Oilers, Oilers is over. Panthers is over. Yep. Nick's

Pater's still on still on this. I would say it's over. Yeah, I still think that I think the wolves might get one more. I liked I want I want this series to go on more. I'm not rooting for it. But I just think the thunder are really fucking good. I think thunder. Yeah, you know what? I think it's going to be thunder and five. Yeah. All right. So speaking of the thunder and again, we will talk a lot more about this game with, with windy, but I wanted to throw out, I have two potential take ease that I saw this weekend that I wanted to throw out to you guys, uh, that we will that we will put in the Takey Awards later this year.

The first was about SGA's MVP. And did you guys see this take by Jay Williams? He blames cancel culture. Okay, go on. For Americans not winning MVPs, because this is now, I think, what is it? It's like six years that an American born player, I think it goes all the way back to James Harden.

I think it's maybe seven years. So why cancel culture? Because our coaches are too afraid to coach the players hard and getting canceled. Okay, I like that. So it's not exactly cancel culture. Like I wanted, when I saw the headline, this might be the spiciest steak I've ever seen.

And then when he actually explained it, it wasn't as spicy. Yeah. So, so James Harden in 2017 or 2018 was the last time an American has won a MVP in the NBA. That is cancel culture. Okay. I'm looking at the other players from the US. So James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Steph Curry, they were pre-cancel culture. Mm-hmm. I could listen. The fact is when Bobby Knight was choking guys, we were winning MVPs every year. Back when the NBA was great. And now we got guys that are afraid of getting sued. So they won't throw players on the ground.

They won't bench players. They won't throw players on the ground. They won't bench players and won't cuss them out in front of the team. When when when Rick Magieris was shitting in a towel. That's when the NBA was at its peak with American born players. So I think I kind of agree with Jay Williams. Yeah, he said, Listen, do you think Karl Malone would win an MVP in today's game? No, I don't. I don't think so. Yeah, cancel culture, cancel culture. He said,

how much of this do you think is cancel culture? I hear a lot of coaches talk about they don't feel like they can coach young kids anymore because anything they say could get used against them. Cancel culture. Okay. I respect the take. I do too. I think it's going to be in the takeys. I think it's got to be. I like that one a lot. Yeah. And then the other one was was a Peter. Wait, but where did SGA play college ball? SGA played in America. Yeah, at Kentucky. Yes. He was the first Kentucky player, I believe to win an NBA MVP, which is kind of

shocking. So that kind of goes against Jay Williams take. But that's okay. That's okay. It doesn't have to be perfect. Yeah, it doesn't have to be perfect. Can you find that? Fact check that for me, Max. Was he the first ever who played a Kentucky to win an MVP? I think it might have been. They've had a lot of one ones. Also, because only like seven guys have won MVP. Yeah, the first player from the University of Kentucky to win MVP. Wow. Yeah. That's pretty crazy. I mean, they are basketball. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So that was one. The other one was a tweet from a former colleague of ours, which I it was kind of a Peter King homage. Dan Raport. I thought you were gonna say Michael Rapaport. Nope, Dan Raport. Weird guy, but nice guy.

Will Zalatoros has another back surgery coming and I found out from Dan Raport's tweet, this is what he wrote. Another back surgery for Wills alatorre's herniated discs Multiple so painful. He's 28 years old. No bueno. Mm-hmm Mm-hmm. I don't I didn't think they would be reported this way, but that's how I found out about how many would have been bueno Uh, I think just one one one boy. Yeah, it was herniated news. It's just one It was herniated discs period multiple period Multiple. Period. So painful. Period. He's 28 years old. Period. No bueno. Period. It's good reporting. That is no bueno. It does suck for Willie's. And this is we're now we're kind of loose right now with with with what topics we're hitting. But I would say Will's Alitourist I'm pretty sure had a shot to go to live. And anytime you judge anyone who's like can make life changing money, this is the kind of shit that I think about. You should probably take it.

Yeah. And also like you shouldn't judge someone who does take it. The live guys, it sounds like they're going to be, I don't know what the lives going to do, Hank. What are your boys up to in Saudi Arabia? Cause it's a, I mean, they might just stay loyal and stick around but they're not something it sounds like they're not gonna be able to pay the the guaranteed monies that they were paying before yeah but thankfully there's an agreement going on our framework of an outline of an agreement yeah the framework is strong the PGA and lives so that'll probably be settled soon by the way my

favorite recurring thing about Hank and usually this happens off-air off camera is When he plays three rounds of golf over the weekend And then he struggles to figure out how many holes there are in three rounds of golf even though he's a huge live diehard Mm-hmm. He said he he just every time he says what's 36 plus 18 Yeah, that's how many holes they play on the live tournament. You said that exact thing to us. The L I V is 54 and we've all Roman numerals. Did you not know that till just now? That's cool. We also had this conversation like two weeks ago. What about how many holes are in three rounds and you try to do the math on how many that is

Why didn't know if I was counting the Monday round as a weekend around whatever 54 54 live live wait that also makes no sense you just add it had nothing to do with the Monday round you asked 36 36 was 18 All right, I won one more basketball thing that I'm very excited about. I don't know if you guys saw this over the weekend, but we are officially in judging every single picture we see of Luka Doncic. I've heard that he's skinny. I've heard he's already skinny. So there's one where he looks a little skinnier. Kind of you. Well, yeah, it's kind of yo-yos like depending on the angles. Then there's also one where he took a little skinnier. Kind of you. Well, yeah, it's kind of yo-yos, like depending on the angles. Then there's also one where he took at it looked like dinner or lunch

and his plate was completely clean. People were judging that. I'm just excited for this journey. We're about to go on when it comes to every single picture we see of Luka Donchich for the next three months. Yeah. So apparently he's he's back home and he's doing like a local diet and he's using like local people to get in shape. I can only assume that means just like vodka

and cigarettes, which is way, way lower carb than like barbecue and beer, which is what I assume he was taking in all the time down in Texas. So when you see Eastern Europeans, they're usually in pretty good shape, right? Right. You don't see too many of them fat. No So I I choose to believe that Lucas gonna be in great shape, but he's gonna be a great shape I I agree with you. I think this is the year. This is the summer. Uh What what other sport I had some baseball things we could talk about we should probably bring up Our update on fuck the Rockies owners. I have a couple sports related whose backs. Oh, okay Okay, but I wanted so was Rockies on there. No, so the Rockies owners. I have a couple sports related who's backs. Oh, okay. Okay.

But I wanted, so was Rockies on there? No. So the Rockies are just an update. What are those guys names again? We fucking hate them. They're the worst and fuck Nico Harrison. The Rockies are nine and 45. The Monfort brothers.

The Monfort brothers. The Rockies are nine and 45. They're on pace to win 28 games. The Chicago White Sox last year broke the record for most losses in 162 game season with 121 losses. They won 41 games. The Rockies are on pace to win 28 games. At this exact point last year, the White Sox had 15 wins. So six more wins than the Rockies have right now. That's crazy.'s not and it's gonna get so so depressing looking at Coors Field in the late summer you know because there's a lot of cool shit to do in Colorado yeah it's not like

you have to go to the baseball game that's the only game in town it's gonna be it's gonna be a sad state of affairs out there yeah so it's it's it the Montfort brothers fuck you guys that's what we got to keep your pieces of shit pieces of shit also max Phillies are back cubs are cubs are hot too Yeah, Phyllis, but just been beaten up on shit teams. Oh bullpens are real real real real big problem Cubs just mash every single game and the Mets are back too. They took two out of three against the Dodgers. Look at that.

And Shohei's gonna pitch to them. Yeah, he did some BP through 97. That's pretty sick. Very sick. And O'Neal Cruz continues to mash. Yeah, well that home run he hit over the weekend, yeah. I think it was the, was it the hardest hit ball in the stack cast era? I think it, and the second hardest was his.

That's crazy. I'm pretty sure he just hits piss missiles when he, when he gets a hold of one, it goes out so fast. All right. Do you want to do who's back? Cause we have a bunch of stuff for it. Yeah. Should we hop into it? Let's do it. And then we'll get to Wendy and Tyson Ritter, which was a great interview. The all American rejects lead singer. All right. Who's back? The week is brought to you by our friends at truly, truly hard seltzer. It is time to get unruly this summer. Truly unruly lemonade combines the high elk fun of truly unruly with everyone's favorite lemonade. It's the official hard seltzer. Pardon my take. Lemonade let loose, 8% ABV, 100% delicious, four supercharged lemonade flavors, bumpin blue Razz, original lemonade punched up pineapple wild pink

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Wait, do you know what I'm talking about stocky? Yeah, no Hockey USA hockey's back. Yeah, we won the IH FF IH HF first time since 1933 huge huge they they released a music video for freebird Oh days ago. I did I missed out on that So dude, he went to AC DC. It was come song came out. I was the 70s I was super focused very focused on AC. He went to AC DC Hank. I was excited and focused. Ah Oh, wait, they did a music video for it. That's kind of weird. I don't know how I feel about this. I like that It's good thing you said it because wait, so Leonard Skinner'd finally made a music video for it. That's kind of weird. I don't know how I feel about this. I like that

It's good thing you said it because wait, so Leonard Skinner'd finally made a music video for it. Yeah Okay, that's I don't really like that one because I don't think that there's anybody in the band that played on that song Yeah, that's the problem. Yeah Question of like when does a ship not become the same ship anymore if you just update the different parts of it Like this isn't I don't know that this is still you can't make a music video if you didn't play on that track yeah I don't know I'm gonna have to I mean the song still rocks there's already a great music video for free bird and that's jenny being high on cocaine thinking about jumping off that legend forest scum true that in my mind is the actual music video for free facts but also we won the hockey tournament right a real hockey tournament not an all-star game. Wait, was this an exhibition? No, okay

Good. I I HF first time we've won it since 1933 suck our dicks everyone The kids are all right. We fucking did it free. We're the best free bird I do love that free bird just somehow decided to make a comeback in hockey form Yeah, wait Hank. Was that it? You said you had a bunch trick school. Oh Yeah, he's awesome. What's his name? Tarik? Whatever. Tarek. Yeah, Derek with a T. Uh, I Feel like it's the first time in a while. We've had two like Haas Haas pitchers going at the same time and that'll be Scoobal skeinsens mm-hmm but

scubal base I mean he had a complete game shutout two-hitter yeah he was awesome is that his first complete game I believe so 103 pitches or no sorry it was like 94 pitches maybe his last pitch he threw a hundred three yeah I love him he's the best and the Tigers are really fucking good. And I hate, I see it happening because he's, I think he's due to make a ton of money obviously, because he's a Boris guy. And like some of the national media is doing the whole like, though they should trade him now that you get a lot for him. It's like, dude, they're, they're the best team in the AL. Why would, why would you trade him? He's fucking awesome. They might be the best team in the AL why would why would you trade him? He's fucking awesome. They're the best team in baseball

So yeah, he's sick, and I hopefully he stays in in Detroit. Yeah, he's got uh They got to do the best team in baseball right now record-wise Good who's back This was just a note. I put in my phone. I should have brought this up earlier, but the this is Jones on the NBA And I don't know if you guys knew this, but he said, for years I thought Kat's last name was Anthony Towns, not that his first name was Carl Anthony. Fun fact. I gotta say, yeah, I think I probably thought that too.

I just thought that he had one long first name. Carl Anthony Towns. The big purr. Yeah. So his first name is Carl Anthony Towns. The big purr. Yeah. So his first name is Carl Anthony? Yeah. Yeah. Three name guys I just assume are the last names. Yeah. You just always assumed that. That's such a better name than Carl Towns. Yeah. I think his dad was Carl Towns. Carl Anthony Towns. Yeah. He's Carl Anthony Towns. I like that. Yeah. It's way better. The big

... Oh yeah. That makes sense. I guess I've seen it written like that, but I always just I Don't know why I thought that even though it's I've seen it written Carl Anthony towns. Mm-hmm But yeah, you got to say you've got to say the Anthony. They also call him the big bodega. I didn't realize that That's an awesome one awesome nickname Big bodega big purr. I've heard I've heard the bodega cat. That's good too. All right. Who's your who's back? Well, Hank took one of mine with free bird. So another one is you weren't even gonna mention the song. Another one's I had USA hockey and then free

bird separately. Another one. It does blow my mind that they just made a music video for that. That's such a money grab. Yeah, I can't even knock it on Leonard skitter. Good job. Get your money guys My other who's back in the week is Anne Hathaway. I Personally, I would never support a band doing money grabs like 60 years after no, but I mean I had a great time So I'm sorry that I missed the the music video coming out at the ACDC concert. Yeah So yeah, and half ways back Oh and half ways back and you look at the stats, our guy regs post about this. Og and Inobi ran into and Hathaway court side was jumping out of bounds to save a ball. Since that moment. He's been he's had 24.3 points per game six rebounds per game, one and a half steals per game, 45.2, three point percentage per game. And now Anne Hathaway is leaning into it. So she's like posting pictures of OG and Inobi on her

Instagram, all this stuff, love is in the air. And she knows how to scout talent because the one other obscure-ish athlete that she's developed a fixation for over her career was Danny Woodhead. She was a massive Danny Woodhead fan. And now she's moved on. I think og and an OB is I don't want to see the Danny Woodhead of the NBA, but he's a gritty guy. Yeah, he's a spark plug. I like this. So maybe memes. What if we got in halfway to go get to the game and end it with you? That'd be cool. Okay, we suck her off. Bet you would you pervert.

sucker off. Bet you would you pervert. My other who's back of the week is AI. AI is back because I think half the pod, not just Hank this time, got got fooled with a fake man on the street video that's done using all AI. And we've reached the point where now we can't tell. We officially can. Sometimes we should be able to tell. But now I feel like it's just it's we're we're fucked Yeah, when they do the human beings, it's I can't It's the it's this, you know the large snakes that have never been seen before them. Like oh cool. That's AI

but yeah, this stuff where it's It just looks as real as real could be yeah I had an idea for an app that if anybody out there wants to make and give me 50% of you can do it. It's just an app that you can download onto your phone that screens out AI videos for you. So it just shows up on your phone, on social media. It's like the actual video has a big line across the center that says, this is AI click to accept. So you know that it's you can opt into the AI if you want. Could you warns you ahead of time?

Could you have a filter being like, just don't tell me about AI porn? Yeah, AI porn is fine. Yeah, right. Yeah, you'd want to just be like, Hey, yeah, some AI like but this chick's probably really into you. Yeah, right. Exactly. Yeah, let that let that go. You can opt into that go through the filter. It's like clicking on incognito mode. You just go into like, don't tell me don't tell me things that could possibly hurt my emotions. Right. Exactly. Uh, okay. My who's back. I got a couple, uh, Caitlin Clark is back cause she's out for two weeks.

Also credit to the WNBA fans. Did you guys see the clip of the foul? Uh, that was very funny. They're getting, yeah. WNBA fans are getting up to speed quickly where they're just showing clips where they're like, how is this a foul? And they just don't have the foul in the clip. The rage farm. The cutoff of the video was where the illegal screen happened. So you didn't see the other woman. It just looked like it was a phantom push off and people got so mad about it. Also the saddest part, I mean, she's only out for two weeks, so she'll be back. But the saddest Caitlin Clark story this weekend was,

I don't know how it was possible, but I saw another Ryan Clark apology to RG3 on Saturday. It looks like it was new. It was like, how is this guy still talking about it? He's doing videos of it now. Yeah, it's so weird. We've all moved on, dude. Ryan Clark gets in his emotions and he makes videos

where he looks like he's going to cry and he's thinking about something deeply. It looks like he's at his therapist. Do you know what it is too? It's in, in, I think the pivot podcast is successful, but it's the way they tape it. Everything seems like an E 60 where they, they have the multiple closeup angles. Well they'll, they'll be close up head on with Ryan Clark and then they'll cut to Ryan Clark's side profile close up.

Like holy shit he must be talking about something serious. It could could it potentially be a innocuous foul in game two of the WNBA season. Yeah that's exactly what is that hang 24 frames per second. Yeah what's going on with that because I feel like it's 24 frames. That's the one that makes it look like cinematic. Explain that to us Hank. What's going on with that film school? 24 frames per second okay nice that's a field so fun. How many how many holes does live play? 36

Plus 18 mm-hmm very good, which is that live Right I love it, and who's in the four aces for aces are fuck Right. I love it. And who's in the four aces for aces are fuck Dustin Johnson Hale Varner Patrick Reed and it's not Peter you line Are you in severance in this podcast studio I PTSD with the four aces You also still haven't answered the amount of holes. No, he did. He did.

He knows that one. He slowly got to it. He said, Liv. He's doing the Roman numerous. He's speaking Roman numerous. He doesn't know what Liv means. He's a man of Troy. Give me a minute.

Keep talking. I will remember his name. I won't look it up. No, you won't. Yes, I will. I promise you, I will. Max, is it 24 frames? Is that what they're doing sure okay? I think that's what it's Ryan Clark's got a button that he hits like get emotional and he then he starts talking about like being a man

Yeah, and what I've discovered is that it's actually sometimes to be a man It means that you need to apologize and that doesn't make you less of a man But when you do apologize you become more of a man and you learn that afterwards Yeah, that's what you learn becoming a man, and then he buttons up his polo. Yeah, which makes it way more serious as a man I just feel like sometimes you need to be a man Yeah, and sometimes being a man means that you have to be man enough to apologize about being a man How many frames do you think you we do this podcast who the fuck knows 60? Yeah, as a man sometimes you got to realize when you weren't being a man

Yeah, and then you got to tell yourself hey be more of a man, but man next time but man to man It takes growing up and becoming a man to realize that man to man you need to be a man as a man I'd like to personally apologize to RG 3 who's also a man who is married to a woman who I Disrespected which is not what a man should do so I'm apologizing to a woman who I disrespected, which is not what a man should do. So I'm apologizing to a man. I would never apologize to a woman about what I said about that man's wife. I crossed the line because you don't do that to another man. Hank, do you have the answer? All right. My other who's back is, uh, lacrosse Cornell ever heard of it?

They won the lacrosse national championship which didn't really care usually watch it watched a couple quarters but the big story is CJ cursed our one one pick for the water dogs just completed probably the greatest career in college lacrosse history. So he is fresh in year they lost to Maryland in the championship game. He avenged that loss. He had he scored six goals in the national championship game, which tied a record for the national championship game. He scored 82 goals this season,

which ties a record 82 goals in 19 games. And then he also has the most goals in a college career 247 that's our water dog that's our water dog pump that's why he was at the top for a big board this year yep when they won one when they called us they said what do you have what Intel do you have and I said this guy CJ CJ curse CJ curse I said this guy CJ cursed number one CJ curse no matter what is what I wrote down on a napkin yep he's also I think I think he's one of five brothers who all are sick of love that. Yeah, so he's got good lineage Hank All right, I don't think I'm gonna get the fourth ace what if I gave you give us the fourth

I would get give me a clue. I'll get it He plays golf Thomas Peters, yeah. Yeah Let's look why didn't you I see you to say he plays golf said I needed to get a clue. Yeah Okay, it was I knew it was up there. I knew it was a golfer. Yeah. Yeah, okay Let's get who is it for real to even know Thomas Peters. It is. Yeah for real. Yeah, that's a guy Yeah, I thought we were still I knew I was the I knew it was like two first names or something, you know where he's from No, Ireland Belgium Belgium news for him

Belgium pretty good eaters. Yeah. Oh, it sounds like you know his career very well. He's an ace. Yeah He's an ace you don't get to be an ace Just by happenstance You got to sign up and get like hundreds of millions of dollars And then you become an ace so don't it wasn't part of the deal that the live guys got equity in their teams I believe so they became like owners of the team what happens if live golf just If the merger that they've got the framework in place for goes, but that's probably what the stumbling blocks are right now Yeah, like how do we pay these guys out from the PGA what Hank no it's

just like maybe there's like this team might not be worth that much so why why should we it's probably worth a lot what magic if you bought the four aces that be cool that'll be so I mean if they go if they do some sort of fire sale you guys could probably after the framework you could buy a golf team that doesn't exist anymore. I would never buy your team. That'd be fucked up Never buy it as a man, you know buy another man's team I'm also kind of you know ripper GC about what? Ripa you change you change Camp Smith man, you can't change. Well, you're ripper GC guy. Why aren't we smash guys? Anyway, Brooks? I'm a smash guy

I'm a smash guy. I'm a smash guy Those are my three teams. How many teams are there like six? For half the league. There's the mystic The mystics that's a WMBA team There is the mystics. Yeah Ripper Smash uh-huh 13 teams. Wow. I did not know there was that many teams.

Torque. Torque. Torque. Okay. All right. So the Cliques, the Aces, the Crushers, the Fireballs, the High Flyers. That's Phil. The Iron Heads.

The Legion. Legion 13. That's wrong. Yeah. Majestics. What did you call them, Hank? The Mystics? Wrong. The Range Goats.

What are all the Majestics? Yeah. The Ripper GC. Ripper. Smash. That's our guys. We got Gooch. Stinger.

Torque. These just sounds like really bad app Hagen it just said that we had gooch on the or get starting for wild card starting for these sound these sound like someone would be pitching you after watching Josh Allen when the MVP like hey I got this new app it's called the range goats and I'd say yeah we're taking golf to the next level is it louder so yeah I'm in torque okay let's get to our interview with Brian Winnhorst we're gonna talk some more ball the Thunder Timberwolves where he sees the rest of the conference finals and then we have a great interview with the lead singer of the All-American Rejects

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I w us as a show, uh, we're big believers in fan bases enjoying the ride. If you, if you don't enjoy the ride, what's the point in watching sports? If you can only celebrate when you clinch the championship, that's so stupid. You got to enjoy the ride. So we defended Knicks fans after they beat the Celtics. We recorded it. And then the next day, we had video of people harassing you. We disavow those Knicks fans.

We stand up for those. Wings in. Those were not Knicks fans. Those were hooligans. OK. Those were not Nix fans. Those were hooligans. Those were not Nix fans. Nix fans were not a block away from the garden at 1230 in the morning. Nix fans were off celebrating with themselves. Okay. I thought you handled it well for what it's worth. You handled it great.

I think you would have fucked them up. Well the truth is that there is other footage that apparently is not going to become unearthed that Where there was some hands put on not by me hands were put on me Nothing, nothing serious happened like people put their hands on me and I had to shove their hands off I basically Jay walked across 35th Street to To get away. I mean I was never like in serious danger, but like, you know, it was not a pleasant experience at 1235 in the morning. So, uh, those, those were not Nick's fans. Those people were not the same people that I saw like two hours earlier enjoying

one of the great moments of the garden in most of their lives. Yes. So I don't equate the two things. I like that. Let's not let that one ugly incident turn us away from the city of New York enjoying a little bit of success. Right. Right. Agreed.

Absolutely. And we stand with Wendy. If you ever need us to fuck someone up, we'll call someone else to do it. I want to say ESPN security has taken beautiful care of me and all of our people and I am I am in the hands of ESPN security and I am not I am I'm all good. Thank you for your concern. Okay. All right. Great. So let's talk about the game you were at tonight. The Thunder take a three one lead. We think this series

might be over the Thunder. It was you know nights ago, the Wolves did what most teams do in the game three setting after being down 2-0, coming home. They, they, they had some pride. They killed the Thunder. Tonight was a very competitive game. I want to start with the end though. And, and maybe you can explain this to us. The fan who caught the ball, uh, did that screw up the timing on the last possession at all? Yes. So what happened? Yes. So technically, as far as I know, I hope I got it right, the clock is going to stop when the ball technically hits the ground, when the ball goes out of bounds.

That's when the ball is out of bounds. It's not out of bounds when it crosses the end line. It's out of bounds when it touches the ground or touches something, somebody touching the ground that the player obviously catches it is out of bounds or you throw it off a guy's foot or whatever. That's when it's dead. And it the clock will go dead. When the referee blows the whistle. It's it's a computerized thing. There's a connection the clock stops when the whistle blows.

So the guy catches it, the ball goes dead. And with like, I don't know, six, five, six tenths left. But had the guy not caught it, the ball would have hit the ground and the game would have been over. So I don't think there's any controversy there. But why split the difference? Like he did, he was standing there. And he did catch it. Right. But I think the official blew the whistle. You know, I

can't speak for exactly why. But if the official doesn't blow the whistle until the ball hits the ground, the horn goes off because we're talking about half second. Right. So got it. I mean, point five5 seconds. They're probably not going to make it this way. Yeah. If you're a, if you're a wolves fan and you're like upset that you didn't get the extra three tenths of a second because a fan caught the ball when it shouldn't have been caught. It should have been deemed to have hit the ground. I don't know what to say. I don't, we can't really have a intellectual conversation. Yeah don't know what to say. We can't really have an intellectual conversation. They were fortunate that they were given three tenths. I think that

was a good compromise by the officials. So on the court, the Wolves had a great night shooting, and somehow it still wasn't enough to overcome the Thunder. I saw one stat that said the teams that have that, I forget what the threshold was for three point percentage and field goal percentage, but the bottom line is teams that shot at that level, I believe were 55 and oh, going into this game in the playoffs. And now this is the one loss. So what did the thunder do that was so good that took away all the advantage that the Wolf should have had? They scored, you know, this wasn't, this wasn't a game where the thunder won it with their defense. They want it with their offense. I mean, so the fourth quarter box score this game is pretty

impressive. The first off the wolves scored 41 points in the fourth quarter this game shot 50% or more 50%. I don't have it right in front of me right now. Actually, I can get it right now. Hold on. The wolves in the fourth quarter went 14 of 28. That's 50% where I come from. They made six out of 13 threes they out rebounded the thunder. They committed fewer turnovers are the same turnovers and then the thunder but gave up fewer points off, off. Um, like I know that there's going to be a, and probably even on my network, there's probably going to be a cycle here where Ann Edwards gets blamed because he didn't score 40 himself. The wolves scored 41 points in the fourth quarter. And because, you know, Dante DiVincenzo and, uh,

Nikhil Alexander Walker had awesome performances. The loss of the game or the win, I prefer to say the reason the Thunder won the game, was because Shea had 40, Jalen Williams had like 34 and Chet had over 20. And Chet Holmgren makes one of the great plays of his young career, time, place, you know, on the block shot late in the fourth quarter where he is totally beaten on the spin move by I think it was Alexander Walker. He's no, it was Jayden McDaniels. He's totally beaten on that play. It's 99% of the way into the basket and he recovers because he's seven foot one and makes a totally clean block to basically, you know, pivot off of the, you know, you know, give them leverage. I mean, this was a game that the thunder took and won very impressively. It was not a game in my opinion that the wolves lost, but I know that that's not necessarily going to be the prevailing opinion because the thunder,

for whatever reason, kind of get a little bit disrespected and I would just encourage everyone who feels that way to reevaluate after the Denver series and after this game and this performance in this series, I would reevaluate that. Yeah. And it does feel like the thunder have been teetering on this, uh, monster that can't be stopped. And when you have Jalen Williams and Chet seemingly take this next step, it's like, how do you, how do you, how do you deal with this team? Cause you're right. Like it wasn't, they're usually suffocating on defense. And the one thing you could say about the thunder, and maybe I'm wrong, but you could back me up

here if it's like their offense can go in lulls and that's where they can be beat. And tonight it was like their offense was fantastic. And it didn't have to be, even though she scored 40 points, it didn't have to just be him. Exactly. And like, so to me, and I will see how this plays out. I don't know how the father, you know, I'm not under, I've been around too long to give anybody anything. We'll see how this series plays out. And then there's a whole nother series, but it is very possible that the NBA title will come down to the fourth quarter of game five that they played against Denver. Now to refresh your memory, I believe the nuggets were up nine points. Okay. They are in Oklahoma city,

but still they're up nine points. They have Jokic, they have Jamal Murray, they have Aaron Gordon. This is before he you know gets hurt um And they come back and win that game and in that game there was you know Shea was really good, but jaylen williams hit a three from the corner huge clutch shot that basically gave them The difference making play so they win that game then they win a game seven Which again, I understand understand Gordon was hurt, etc. But still, this team hadn't done this before, win a game seven. Then they come in here on a night where, you know, I thought Minnesota put forth a

really good effort. Maybe it wasn't an A, but it was an A minus. You know, pretty damn good performance. And they win in this game. Extremely impressively as a team. I mean, they are taking the steps that you want to see. And as you said, Cat, Shea is like 26. Jalen Williams is the third season. Chet, this is his technically his third season, but he's only played two seasons because he missed his whole rookie year.

I mean, what are you supposed to take from that? What you're supposed to take is that the supporting cast around them may change because of the second apron rules and they'll draft other guys or whatever. They may not be able to afford to keep all these role players, but I could see these three guys, us talking about these three guys in playoff games like this for the rest of the decade. Well, here's one that you can throw out there on the hoop collective or when you're on a get up. We threw this out there last week. There's a chance if the Thunder win the title this year, this is the worst Thunder team to win a title because

they're going to probably win like four or five. Yeah. And they've got so many good draft assets. They still have most of the stuff that they traded Paul George for. Yeah. But think about that take though for a second because I feel like that could revolutionize sports media if you already overrate a championship that hasn't even happened yet. Yeah, this is the worst Thunder team we'll ever see to win a title. Do you realize that the Thunder have had an unlucky month? Because I was fascinated by this. I talked to Sam Presti who was in the room and he made it sound like it was no big deal, but I, I kind of don't believe him. So I want to take you into the lottery room. Okay.

So the, there's four numbers drawn. Okay. One, two, three, four in that order. All right. So the 76ers have the fifth best odds. Okay. And if their pick goes to seven or higher, the Thunder get it, all right? So that means if two teams move past the Sixers, they lose their pick and the Thunder get it. All right, first number up, Dallas Mavericks, hot damn.

Cooper Flags gonna be a Maverick. That's one team from behind Philly moves in front. Now all of a sudden, Philly's sitting there there one minute into the draft lottery with the sixth pick. Okay. Next drawing San Antonio Spurs also behind the Sixers. Boop! The Sixers have the seventh pick. That means that the Oklahoma City Thunder, who by the way also have the 15th pick in this draft. Now, you know, you're not necessarily going to get an all star with the 15th pick, but you know, you get some good players with the 15th pick. Okay. For, I don't know how long it takes them to reload the lottery balls and then redo it, but let's say it's 90 seconds

to two minutes, three minutes. The Thunder had the seventh pick in this draft. And then, and only then Philly's number comes up third. So they get the three there was only chance they had if they had stayed if they had hadn't gotten the third or the fourth, they were losing their pick. But the but the Thunder actually had it. Now we didn't the world didn't see it that way because it happened before we're watching but Sam Prestes sit in that room going, Oh my god, I just got I just got the seventh pick I got the best team with the best

record in the league, and I'm about to wake up with the seventh and 15 picks in this draft. So I just want to point that out. While I agree with what you guys are saying, that this team's got a lot more, you know, stuff that they can do to improve this roster going forward as well. Yeah, yeah. So let me ask this, have you purchased hotel room blocks in both New York and Indianapolis? Yes, not purchased by the way

Reserved God. I did I get a huge amount of reaction from that It's an ode to the power of your podcast is more than anything. Let me just make something real clear When you make a reservation, you don't pay you don't pay upfront, you can make hotel, you know, knock on wood, they don't change this rule. You just make the reservation, you got to give them a credit card, they don't take any money. I mean, I realize that's the case, like in Vegas, but you know, at Oklahoma City and in Indianapolis, they're not, you know, by the way, it was an issue for if I had been covering

the Eastern Conference finals, you would have had to prepay for you know, Indy 500 weekend, that would have been one but you have to prepay I saw people saying what would you spend like $30,000? No, I spent $0. Yes, I have three different hotels in New York. I don't know which way I don't where I'm going to want to stay. Maybe I want to stay in midtown. Maybe I want to stay in downtown. Maybe I want to stay by the park. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see what the weather's like.

So if you're looking to get a hotel room in New York City in the next couple weeks and you can't find a good ones because Wendy has them all. Yeah, I've got a selection of hotel, you know what was sad though, like, not sad, but it was just I had nine different hotel reservations in Boston. And Cleveland, and Cleveland. Yeah, I had even reservations in Boston. Yeah. Cleveland. I thought the South and Cleveland. Yeah. I had even more in Boston. Um, and I had to cancel them all. It was like bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. I had like nine. I had to cancel because I thought that I thought the South were going to make it clearly, clearly the hotel reservation game. And by the way, I had no, I did that pod with you guys. I had none in Indianapolis. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

So I want to talk about the Easter conference. I have one last question about the West. Uh, so the, the Timberwolves, obviously Anthony Edwards got to play better. Is he hurt by the way? I don't think so. Okay. We had, we, we landed on, uh, we split the, we split the difference. PFT is going with hurt. I said he's just got to play better. So we figure all I can tell you is he didn't get any treatment after the game we split the difference. PFT is going with hurt. I said, he's just got to play better. So we figured all I can tell you is he didn't get any treatment after the game, either the last two nights. And when I came out to do Scott van Pelt, he was dressed and talking with people

outside the locker room. I had gone to the thunder press conferences to hear Shay and I missed him. He was not getting any post game longterm treatment, you know, long treatment on anything. So I'm sure everybody's got bumps and bruises at this point, but nothing that would be clear like like he was soaking a knee or an ankle or anything like that. Right. So he's got to play better. Julius Randall has had a great playoffs, has had a tough series at times. What, what do the Timberwolves do though? If they lose this series where it's like, Hey, they've gone

to the Western Conference final two years in a row. And the Edwards looks like a up and coming superstar. Is there, is there a drastic change or they, Hey, we, they already made the drastic change because they already traded cat for for you know Julius Randall. Well I don't think they can keep this team together. The core the big pieces they can but so Julius Randall is a free agent Alexander Walker Nikhil Alexander Walker is a free agent and Nazri is a free agent he hasn't opt out which I'm sure he's going to take and ants contract is you know very large Gobert's contract is way up there. So they have new owners coming on, Mark Lorie and Alex Rodriguez. They have gotten a whole bunch of minority owners that can, you know, they've,

they've demonstrated to the NBA that they've got a whole bunch of money to operate the team. But I would be surprised if they were able to resign all three guys. I suppose they could trade another player off to keep it, but I would maybe they can. I mean, I don't know, but I would be kind of surprised if they could afford all three. What they did last year when they traded Carl Towns, they saved money and then they had Rudy Gobert opt out of his contract and and sign a new deal and the headline was Rudy Gobert gets a hundred million dollars and I know that there were certain there were some people that felt a certain way about that they were like wait a minute

you traded Carl Towns to save money then you gave Rudy Gobert a hundred million what are you doing but go bear actually took a pay cut. He opted out of the rest of his contract took his average salary down, and then added years to the end. And the reason that they did both of those deals was so that they could afford to keep Julius Randall and, and Nasri, they may not be able to afford to keep Alexander Walker. So you're still gonna have a good team. And they also they traded for Rob Dillingham last year,

you know, jumped up in the lottery to do that trade. And then you've seen Terrence Shannon Jr. has been great the last two games. Those are their first round picks this year. So part of what they what they did, because they are a smart organization, they drafted those two young guys to develop up to develop around Anthony Edwards. But there is possible that that all of this core is not going to be back next year. Yeah. Okay. So on the thunder side of things and and think carefully before you answer this. On a scale of one to 10, how much do you enjoy watching SGA play basketball?

It's a great question. Because because you're asking because of the fouls, right? That's what I mean. Anywhere you want to go. Yeah. Yeah. You you direct us. Um, yeah, I don't like I don't love watching free throws. Um, but here's the thing about him. And this this happened tonight with with the when he threw the ball in between. I don't remember whose legs it was. A lot of times you see him go down. Not every time. Just to be clear, not every time. A lot of times you see him go down. You're like, wow, that was,

he might have exaggerated that contact. And then you look at the replay. And he did get hit. And there's also a lot of times where he gets hit and it doesn't get called because he's constantly driving. If he didn't lead the league in drives, he was top two, but I think he led the league in drives. He definitely led the league in free throws, average three free throws per game. And so it kind of like that, that ball between the legs tonight, like it looked for sure like it was a travel people are screaming in the arena that was a travel. And then you

look at the replay and it wasn't. It was just a great play. So I get that it is not quote unquote always the most entertaining product to watch a guy hunt mid-range shots and go to the floor. He's his body type, despite him being very strong, his body type, when he goes down, it doesn't always look like he got hammered. But he's actually kind of brilliant at it. And I was talking to a to a scout this week, and what he was saying is, he's like, Look, I'm watching this Pacers Nick series, and I'm seeing hand to hand combat on Jalen Brunson, hand to hand combat on the interior there. And I'm that I

watched the Western Finals, and I see Shay getting regular season fouls. In other words, what you would see, you know, a hand check or something that you would see in February, you're all of a sudden seen in May, and you're like, I don't know about that. And I guess I would understand that that, you know, you're used to some physicality and it doesn't look like there's a lot of physicality that happens when he gets fouled. But I got to tell you, when you actually review the plays and you review everything, he is

getting fouled. And no, I don't love it, but I also respect it because I respect the mastery that he's got. Yeah. I mean, the thing is I find myself realizing that I do love watching him play until he does that bullshit. And then I get over mad and I lose sight of what a great player he is. But this I think you're in the majority.

By the way, I thought one of the most interesting parts of this series, I don't know if you guys heard because we haven't talked about it on ESPN, but Shay and Nikhil are cousins. Oh really? Yeah, yeah. That's crazy. There might even be a photo that exists of them as like one-year-olds, but maybe, I don't know, maybe that hasn't been found yet. I haven't seen it. That's wild. More than 85 times. But in game one, I think there was it. That's more than 85 times. But but in game one, I think there was a play where she obviously took a dive. Yep. He literally threw himself on the

ground. And I think the foul was on Nikhil and he he he immediately cursed and looked over at the bench and said review that bleep. And they did and it was it was called out. So even his beloved cousin, you know, who was like his second brother or whatever, you know, their, their, their, their bond runs deeper than than even their blood. Even he, at times thinks it's bull. So, you know, take that your power broker, Wendy, so maybe you could put this in the year of

Adam Silver, have them make not not just have them make the the dives reviewable But if you do take a dive They should be able to issue like a tech for it after the review because I get it if you have that rule But they have that where you can team up if it's a clear if it's a clear dive Just on if nothing was called if they are if they if they called a foul and then they they review it and they see that It's a dive can the ref say actually not a foul It was embellishment and we're teeing him up because I don't think that's the rule You can call a technical foul on a player for flopping now

It never gets called But you can call and like and when it get called, it's always on the defensive player. But I believe and again, I don't have the rule book in front of me. And frankly, I don't know the rule because it's so rarely enforced that you'd never see it. But if a flop is a flop, I do believe the officials have in their latitude. It's kind of like the tush push when they just declared that you could give you a touchdown. I didn't know that rule. I'm pretty sure that they could do it, but I mean, just saying that they could do it doesn't mean that's ever going to happen. I think that would be a good compromise because I get it from a ref's point of view. You don't want to call a flop

in real time because you might be wrong. And what if there actually was a foul? So rely more heavily on the review for that and then hit him over the hammer, like if you are flopping, you should be able to review that and be like, okay, tech, and I guarantee it would stop. And then I would love watching SGA play. I really would. Well, but again, here's the problem. Like sometimes it looks like he flopped, and then you watch the replay and he kind of did get fouled. It wasn't like the greatest, most impressive foul

in the history of, you know, Rick Mahorn. But that's the problem with it is that, you know, obviously there are times that happens, but I mean, look, he just won the MVP. So like, it's hard to tell him that his behavior is not being richly rewarded. Right. So he's, what he's doing and is damn impressive and

it's also being verified. Yeah. So that's the that's reality. Yeah. All right. Let's start with the Easter conference final. It is awesome. These two teams are just playing the most chaotic basketball. We said at the beginning of the show, the Pacers having the stat where they've had three times where they've been down seven or more under a minute and won those games and the Knicks being like, Oh, anything you can do, we can do better. We've had three games where we've come back from 20 point deficits. What I like going into game four, I don't even know what to make of it. I mean, I guess I'll start with this. Are the Knicks, do you think Tibbs is going to trust his bench a little bit more going into game four? Was that a circumstance thing where

it's like they got in foul trouble? He had to do it. And, uh, they know they have to win this series with Jalen Brunson, even though the Jalen Brunson cat combo has left their defense lacking at times. First off, this series could be anything. It could be three o nicks. It could be three o paces. It could be two one nicks. It's two one paces, obviously, but either of these teams could have you could roll these things through and you could have had a different generator come up with with a different result. And as because of that, I don't know what's gonna happen in the series. I just don't know. So now Tim's this is fascinating. Okay, so he played 15 different lineups in game three. I'm sure it's happened. I can never remember a team this deep into the playoffs conference finals playing 15 different laps, maybe if there's like garbage time, where it's not a game, but certainly in what is

effectively an elimination game. Secondly, seven of the lineups had never played together before. Now I have we have not looked that up. I will stand on that being a first in history. That that seven different lineups played in downo two in a conference finals game, especially for him, especially the guy we're talking about who does not want to play who does not want to get out of his rotations, who does not want to play a deep bench. It was crazy. And by the way, like I

understand why there was a lot of frustration that cat didn't play down the stretch of game two, but he was making a tactical decision that I understood. I'm not saying I agree with him, but I understood the tactical decision. This decision is whenever I put Kat and Brunson out there, we have difficulty stopping the other team. We can't get stops. And when Mitchell Robinson is out there, we do. You know, Joe Mazzulli in the last round, when he was fouling Mitchell Robinson to get him off the court, the same thing was kind of plaguing them. Everybody in their starting lineup in several of the games in that series was underwater.

They were under, they were all minus and plus minus. And Mazzulli was like, the reason I want him off the floor is because he's the only guy who positively affects the score when he's out there. Yeah. And so Missoula was basically talking about what Tibbs and the Pacers already see. And Carlisle pretty much said it after game three. He comes out and he goes, well, they played better defensive players. Yep. And now some of that reason he played 15 lineups was because Brunson was

in foul trouble and McBride was in foul trouble and Cat was in foul trouble and so now he's now the circus wheel is starting and he's just trying to catch up. He didn't plan it that way but what I want to know is what would have happened if Brunson played his normal minutes in the fourth quarter? Yeah. Maybe the next win like I'm not trying to tell you that I know. But there was a reason why tips kept him on the bench till there

was a minute 30 left. And it wasn't because he was afraid he was going to foul out with 240 left. He kept him in because under that current lineup, having Cat be the featured offensive player with only one defensive sort of hole at the other end was working. Now, part of the reason I think it was working is that the Pacers were guarding the Knicks the way they guard the Knicks as if they had their normal lineup out there. They were guarding a Shamet and um, who else did they play? Uh, they were guarding them like it was Bridges and Ananobe.

Um, and if that happened again, they would know that they're going to put two people on cat with Brunson's on the bench. And if, if Landry Shamak can hit an open three, God bless you. But they were, they were leaving miles Turner out there on the bench and if, if Landry Shamrock can hit an open three, God bless you. But they were, they were leaving miles Turner out there on an Island and cat was toasting him, which is by the way, that's the way cat operates. He's an all NBA player. He got, he's an all NBA player cause he destroys you on the offensive end, but against the Pacers in a playoff setting, having Brunson and cat out there together is sometimes difficult. And so what ended up what I think is

probably going to happen in game four, in addition to Robinson continuing to start because he gives them a better opportunity to to balance out their roster a little bit more with you know, how they can defend. I think you're going to see the stagger what I mean by that is the time which cat is on the court without Brunson and Brunson was without cat expand a little bit. Yeah, even if it's literally just by a minute, a quarter. And again, I'm not arguing to play cat more than Brunson or but I just think if you only have one because by the way, at the end of the game, when they both were out there, there was, I think one defensive possession where Tibbs had to have maybe two, the Pacers immediately put them both in the pick and roll. And they didn't get a basket out of it because the Knicks were able to get it done. But even down the stretch, he was, Tibbs did a good job and kept his timeouts. He was pulling Brunson and Kat out of the game. Because he didn't want either of them out there. Um, and, uh,

so look, it's a tactical thing. And if Brunson has a 45 point game, which he is absolutely capable of doing and his offensive prowess outweighs whatever happens defensively, which has happened dozens of times in his next career and will happen dozens of more times. Cool. I'm not arguing that they are quote unquote better without them or whatever, but I do think they give themselves a better chance to win.

If in the 48 minute pie, they have some of, they have more of it where only one of them is on the court, especially if you can get miles McBride did a couple of big shots or you can hit bridges or, or, you know, whether it's Landry Sham and or whoever. Um, and I think that's what they're going to probably have to try to do in game four. And I also should say like the Knicks played a lot better defense. I also think like maybe if you're the Pacers and, and I don't know how much a coach can, can bank on this, but the Pacers had been running very, very hot. And then in game three, they finally fell

back down to earth. They shot terribly from three. That was bound to happen eventually. So that game was going to happen to them eventually. Do they say, Hey, look, we're still the same team. And I mean, Rick Carlisle is such an underrated coach, the way they confuse the Knicks and that is a lot because of Kat and Brunson on the court at the same time, but it feels like the Pacers, they got to just keep doing what they're doing a little bit and, uh, and be like, Hey, if you want to play a defensive lineup, you're not going to be able to have the offense to keep up with us. I wish I could give the person the credit that I saw this

from, but you know, because of the, the, the, the tracking systems that now have, they can track where everything moves on the court. I saw that the ball that Brunson or that Halliburton made in game two where the ball bounced and went straight up in the air and came back down was the highest bounce off of the rim that has happened in the playoffs this year. Whoa. It literally had a chart of every ball that came off the rim and Halliburton's was the highest.

So yes, I think they were running a little bit hot. Yeah. That's cause Jim Mercer just dunked it back in. That's what that was. That's crazy. Yeah. I can't believe they tracked that. But I should assume that. Yeah.

I wish I could, I wish I could, it was, I saw it on, uh, on X and I wish I could give the person credit and I should have before I said it, known that, but that was the key. Um, so yeah, I think it, known that but that was the key. So yeah, I think that there is something to that. Another thing I'm going to say is that a big factor is Aaron Smith's ankle. Yes. So what do you hear about that? You guys know. Yeah. Well, it's not good when they announce he's a game time decision the day before because like you got to figure he's going to probably play

because it's a playoff game. If you're a game time decision, you're probably going to play. The question is how effective can you be? And I was, I spent time today talking to the, um, the ex players who I work with at ESPN, the Donis Haslam and Eman Shumpert and, um, uh, and perk talking to him about like, you know, when you roll your ankle, because sometimes you see that you see a guy roll his ankle and then he'll finish the game. And then the next next day it's like, it's blown up. And that's the kind of ankle injury where you maybe miss a game or two in the regular season. You know, talking about the stuff that you can do to try to keep the swelling down, you can play.

But look, he's going to be affected and he's super duper important and he plays 100 miles an hour. So that to me more than any X's and O thing or whatever lineup you want to play or who's ever got a hot shot, that potentially is a huge X factor. And another reason why if you're a Knicks fan, you think that you can do it. First off, the Knicks win on the road, they win close games on the road. It's an ode to their mental toughness. Their number one attribute in my opinion is their mental toughness. And that's all comes from Brunson. And Tibbs to a certain extent. And some of their guys are, you know, Ananobe's heart rate never increases and Bridges, Bridges is showing to be can be can make big plays, but it's, it's mostly comes from Brunson. The guy is an absolute stone cold killer. And so when you are, when you've won six road games,

you don't care if you're down to one, like you, you believe you can do it. So the Knicks will come in with belief and they could come in with one of the most important players who guards Brunson being diminished so I Have no idea what's gonna happen in that game, but if I'm the Knicks I believe I believe in myself Yeah, so the Pacers might be losing knee Smith or maybe get a hobbled knee Smith But they're gaining a super fan in Terese Halberton's dad So can you tell us what happened behind the scenes how this negotiation went down because ever you know, we understand you can't try to fight Janis on the court. That's probably crossing a couple of lines.

We probably a suspension was was worthy. But then we thought about it. We're like, wait, what if they're playing in the Easter conference? What if they're playing in the NBA finals and he's not allowed in the building? That seems a little bit harsh. So I'm glad that the league came around on it. But what happened? Do you know anything about what happened behind the scenes? I think basically the league was like, you have to do something. And you know, it was like, maybe they checked in a couple of times. We're like, Hey,

is something have we done something? And you know, now it's like a nice little like secret weapon. Now there'll be something to fire the fans up and fire Tyrese up by the way. So here's the problem. It's very difficult for me to talk about this because I have a good relationship with the Halliburton family. Which a lot of people do. It's not like I'm trying to sell. A lot of people, if you're around the Pacers or you've been around Team USA, you know John and Brenda Halliburton.

Okay, you just know them. And by the way, like one of the more remarkable things that's happened in the last week, after Tyrese hits the game winner, or one that forces overtime and, you know, does the choke sign or whatever. I guess it was game one. A minute ago I said it was game two. He does the choke sign. His mom Brenda goes to the Today Show the next day and stands in the rain outside the Today Show with a Pacers sign. I love that. Did you guys know that? No. I love it. I just guys know that? No. No. I love it. I just saw his dad in the bar doing the choke sign.

Well, yes. And I'm not sure that was very helpful, especially he brought the towel. But I adore John Halliburton. You know, and I've spent a lot of time with him, like, in with Team USA across the planet. So like, I am biased when I say I want him to be in the building, but he obviously can't go out in the court and he don't bring the towel. That's what I would tell John, John, don't bring the towel. Okay, just don't antagonize you want to get yourself down on the court. And

you know, if Tyrese is in a situation where he's playing in a possible clinching road game, you want to be able to go, whether it's in the conference finals, or it's in the finals. But yeah, Brenda Halliburton, who again is just wonderful. She went with her friend, they go to the Today Show. And Craig Melvin, I think is out there and Carson Daly and Craig Melvin. And this woman goes, yeah, this is, they're like holding paces. I mean, she's just a woman from from Wisconsin, going

to the big city. Why would what do you do in the big city for your Wisconsin you go to the Today show. It was the next morning, like, at 11pm. Tyrese is putting the choke up on the Knicks and at like 815. She's outside the Today show. She got up early, got her pacer's flag out, and on TV. And like you can tell that they're like, we really believe this is Tyrese's mother. And there she is like, I mean, wholesome. Yeah, right. I mean, I realized that Tyrese and the way he plays is somewhat hateable. And if

you're a Knicks fan, you hate him, I get it. But I mean, I have a hard time not wanting good things for the Halliburton family. I guess if that makes me biased, so be it. But so yeah, I'm glad John's good. By the way, I think the John Halliburton story, you guys would know this like on the metrics, people care about this because on all the ESPN shows I was on today, we pushed out Yeah, next piece, other pieces of Nick's Pacers

coverage to get John Halliburton coverage in there. It's a hilarious story. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's great. It's great. All right, Wendy, we've kept you long enough. We appreciate you joining us. It's midnight. Kept you long enough. No, no, no. I told you we're built for this. I got one last question. Row back question. R H O B A C K dot com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, row back dot com promo code take a half to ask a LeBron question as contract. You know, it's in your contract. Whenever you come on. I saw LeBron complaining about the sky cam four weeks later. I didn't see this. This

is the year. This is good to me. All right. So he did. He did his podcast with Steve Nash and he was, and he was basically like, I've never seen that camera before. Where was that? The, the, the strip on Anthony Edwards, where they had the Hawkeye. So, um, to put it to, cause I think he was kind of dipping into like they just pulled that out to get me on this one. Is that a camera that the NBA refs use often or is it always at their disposal? Great question. I don't exactly know the answer. The Hawkeye, I believe, don't hold me to this. I believe this is its second year. I mean, we're going to go down the rabbit hole here.

Your listeners probably going to be like, I don't care about this. There used to be this other different tracking technology that they use. And then that contract ended. And then they had this new company came in with this new technology called Hawkeye and they put these, these cameras up in the ceiling. And they're used for like mostly internal stuff. You know, for internal tracking and stuff like that. This year, late in the season, was the first time I saw them using it in replays.

However, for all I know, and I don't know, they were using in Sakakis all year. But this is a newer tracking system called Hawkeye that does exist. No, they didn't just put it in to get LeBron. It's been used on other players in the postseason. But I can understand why LeBron thinks something went against him. Nothing's ever gone his way. Yeah. It was just very funny clip because it was like four weeks ago this happened and he was just like, yeah, where the hell this came from? They also used it at the end of the the nuggets game with the slam dunk at the very end of the game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it got that right. Like as far as I can tell, like the one frame, it like

got it right. Yeah. So yeah, it was, it was a bit, people were a bit con in the league. People were like, we don't want to switch off our old technology. They were kind of against the Hawkeye, but now I think the Hawkeye has come into its own. This is why you're the best though. Yeah. You have a story about the contract ending. I don't know how good of a, I don't know how good of a, uh, how good of a story it was, but yes, it's a new thing. Also, there were meetings at ESPN with our stats people with the Hawkeye operation to detail the incoming Hawkeye. And I guess next time they need to invite LeBron, he should get on the Zoom.

He should get on the Zoom with the Hawkeye folks. CC him on that email. It's enlightening. Yeah. While you're here, is LeBron going to take less money? Don't think so. I do not think that is in the plan. I think the real question is, will LeBron opt out? Because right now, he's got a max contract and a no trade clause. And if he opts out, the Lakers could ask for concessions. Now, their history is that they take care of star players.

And it's a smart way to go. It's a good investment in the future. It was something that Jerry a smart way to go. It's a good investment in the future. It was something that Jerry Bus started and Jeannie Bus has continued. And so do I believe that they wouldn't give LeBron what he wanted? I don't necessarily believe that. However, when you opt out of your contract, you know, it's time for negotiation. Now he was a second team all NBA player this year. They've never really negotiated with him. They give him what he wanted.

But if he thinks that the Lakers may want to try to offer him less or not give him the no trade clause, he could in theory just opt into his contract. And so, and he could just say, I'm opting into my contract because I'm taking it year to year and not indicate that there was any issue with the Lakers. But I do not think it's in the cards that he's taking less money. It's not that necessarily he wants every dime, although he does want every dime. I don't think he believes that free agency is got anybody in it where if he takes less money that the Lakers could go

use their mid level and like have a transformational player. They may disagree with that. And they may come to him with a plan where they show him that if you take $12 million less, we can sign this guy and maybe he'll change his mind. But as far as I know from my conversations, the intention is for him to continue to make all of the max, which he has earned. Yep. Okay. All right, Wendy, you are the best. We appreciate your time. Like I said, it's 12, 11 central time and you hopped on with us after SVP. So thank you so much. And everyone go listen to the hoop collective and see Wendy everywhere. You're looking good and everyone be nice to Wendy on the streets.

Yeah, you can be nice to me. Just, you know, you can say something if you don't like it. Fine. But just, you know, I don't like this way being, having stuff thrown at me or having people put their hands on me that way. But, but, Hey, I just want to say to Knicks fans, that was a wonderful, wonderful night for the Knicks fans being inside the garden for that game was amazing. Uh, there was pure euphoria and, um, let that be what the memory is of that. Not, you know, let's just let's just endure euphoria and let that be what the memory is of that not

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show at our office which is like I don't even I don't really Explain I don't know how to explain it that you're actually doing these type of shows But it is the coolest thing that you're doing these so Thanks for being here and let's start from that like you guys are just doing house parties and yeah in them shows Yeah, we're doing house parties like this was born an idea born and like we played USC in Los Angeles because we did a show the night before for a bunch of suits and it was like a big lamp dick man it was awful man it was so whack and so we just took a flyer out on a local

college radio station we're like hey you got a house we can play at and they're like I think that we scared up somebody that's brave enough to do it and it was like the veil was lifted on 400 of these 20 somethings who just never have crowd surfed before. Yeah. And wanted to bring 40s and hold them in the air. Yeah. Sounds awesome.

Fucking righteous, man. So how many have you done? We've done eight, man. Yeah. Because we did. That's funny. We did a bowling alley the other night because we got rained out at the house.

Thank fucking God. It was going to be a fucking disaster. And so like 5,000 people wrapped around the block and we made the call, we're like, we can only get 500 people and the bowling alley guys are like, I'm gonna get shut down. So we're like, let's just kick them out right after we play and do a second set.

And we did, man, we got like another crowd in. That's fucking awesome. That's awesome. It's Feral Man, it's great. And you're doing them, you're not, these are, you're just doing them for free for the people. For the people, my friend, for the people. That's so cool. Yeah, man. Dude, you know, this system of,

we're watching it fall right now, like these paper tickets, giant dynasties, going to these paper tickets, giant dynasties, going to these giant rooms, and selling half the room, $800 a pop, and then they dish out hundreds of tickets to local promoters to just give them away to the next 20,000 people. So it's like, I'm the guy that bought an $800 ticket,

and Joe Blow behind me didn't pay anything for the sausage I bought. Yeah. Like how was there not like a big class action lawsuit? Yeah. Yeah. It does seem to me like the music industry over the last 25 years, really since Napster started, but, but what more once streaming became a thing, it

seems like a, a very tough business to make it work at as an artist, right? Because making it work, man an artist right because making it work man like like nowadays it's like visibility you know we've celebrity is driving music man you could have the biggest celebrity pop star in the world fart on a track mm-hmm and that shit's a hit mm-hmm just because she did it we should do that by the way everyone we interview. You guys should do fart tracks all over. Yeah, seriously do a Barstool Sports fucking playlist.

Fartstool Sports. Everybody in the room. This is his fart man. So like it has to be so fulfilling to just be like that close to your fans and people who enjoy your music because it's such a cool like when we go we'll do You know road trips and we'll do meetups and it's like they always almost like reinvigorate me where I'm like Oh, yeah, these are the people who are enjoying us and it's like a face to them, you know, and it's so cool Yeah, cuz we are on eye level with your heroes that are most years are like probably seven feet tall But you know these gladiators that you cover, you know, you're removed from them through the lens of the television screen or whatever. But when you get face to face,

when you're at eye level with a fan, they are having a transcendent moment. Yeah. Right. Like when you meet, when any of these guys watch this shit meet the sport, I met fucking, you know, Peyton Manning at a steak restaurant. And that dude was awesome. They're done for life. They're like Peyton Manning, fucking best guy in the world. Yeah. I can imagine that it's great for you guys too. Do you guys get

a sense of nostalgia? Like it brings you back to when you were first starting? Yeah. When we do, we started this shit in VFWs, backyards, people passing around a tip jar just to give us gas money for the van. I mean it, you know, when we started this new record, our biggest intention was just like, wow, we need to find out why we love doing this, man. Especially with writing new music, because so many people, so many people in our little class of bands, man, you can hear they're trying to like emulate So many people in our little class of bands, man, you can hear they're trying to emulate just to shake the purse strings. And we're like, fuck this, man.

We gotta shake it up for us. Yeah. It's interesting, that genre of music, which I'm a massive fan of. I love pop punk, I love punk music, I love alternative, I love all that stuff. For that, it feels like a lot of bands, they either died real soon, and you could hear

kind of the creativity and the inspiration draining from their music, or they had to evolve. And when you evolve in that genre, you might lose some fans that you used to have, you might gain some new fans. What was it like for you guys? Did you make a conscientious effort to change the music at all, or to just grow, just let things happen? Man, we never, you never approach art with the intention

of writing for someone besides yourself, man. Like, if it's truth and if it's coming out of you, it's because you are drawn to it and you have to find it. You gotta pull it out of the old cosmos and put it on paper. And I think authenticity right now is so permeable and perceptible. Is that a word?

We can perceive this so much now through our black mirrors, right? So like if something's bullshit, it screams bullshit, especially on the feed. You're like, oh man, that's a real dude. Oh man, here's horse shit. You know, like it bleeds in your hands. So yeah, I think the people that are fucking it up for themselves,

I think the cream rises and the milk sinks. Yeah. Do you have a song that you've written that you're the most proud of? Good question. Yeah, man. I think the one that I didn't expect, where I'm in a hotel

and there's a guy coming up to me when I'm checking out and he's like, hey man, I just wanna let you know I bought two tickets to this concert and was only able to redeem one because my brother, he passed. He's like, but I wanna let you know, move along. Every day that gave him more life and more will to live.

And I looked at him and I was full body goosebumps just going like, man, I might be a bad dude sometimes but that guy made me feel like a pretty good guy. That's great. That's awesome. Maybe I got a little blank check into heaven because maybe that guy kind of got another six months with his brother or some shit. Yeah, that's pretty cool.

In your path as a band, was there a moment, cause I'm always curious, like, people who've made it or made great things, was there a moment where you're like, okay, this is actually a real thing that I'm gonna do for a living? Because it can be hard and daunting, I'm sure, as a musician, where there's moments where you're like,

I don't know, I gotta go get a real job. Like, I don't know what to do. We had a song called Swing Swing on our first record and then there was an interim where our label Dreamworks got sold to Interscope, right, this giant ivory tower. And we were writing a second record. And they always say you got your whole life to write your first record, but then you get that hit

and then what's coming next, right? That's when the man's breathing down your neck, come on son, and I was like 18, and dad at the label was like, you got this kid, you got this, and there was a moment man where I was like, I got 40 grand in the bank, I can go to college, or maybe I can just go work at fucking Blockbuster, and kind of, I don't know,

try to deploy that money in a smart way to kind of keep me out of college and long enough to have fun, I don't know try to deploy that money in a smart way to kind of keep me out of college long enough to have fun I don't know but yeah, dude, that was a that's a really fucked up thing. I mean when you guys first started taking off Was there ever a dip or was this always just that was the trajectory just always been like this for you guys I think for us the dips came before we started the show Yeah, so we've been like kind of in the industry a little bit like big cat worked here at barstool for a while

I was blogging for like six different websites getting paid 25 bucks per article like it wasn't always great But then once we got to once this started, I think we knew that okay This is what this is working And I think the moment that the clarity of like oh, this is actually this is my career now moment that the clarity of like, Oh, this is actually, this is my career now was like so freeing. Cause it's like, Oh, when did you accept that? When did you actually go like, this is it, man, I think it was right around when we started this show and it was like, it started to hit off. Cause it wasn't like I was ever

thinking, Oh, I'm, I'm going to leave barstool or anything, but there was definitely times you're like, all right, I'm writing a blog. I'm having fun. I'm talking about sports, can I do this when I'm 50? Can I make a living doing this? Right, so then when we got together and started the podcast, it started to kind of all click into place like, oh yeah, this is my life now, and this is awesome. Crazy, huh?

And you do feel this freedom of like, now I can kind of go for it. Yeah, autonomy in this programmed world is like, you feel like you kind of, you feel like Charlie Bucket, right? Yeah, big time. Like you see people like that look at you going, oh dude, and you're like, yeah, you're sitting at a desk, man.

You're having a rough go. I'm living a dream for you, man. Yeah. Trying to. Yeah. Crazy. I don't take a day for granted in that respect. That's good to say out loud. Yeah, but I feel it. I wake up every day, I'm just like, holy shit, this is my job.

Holy shit, this is my life, bro. Dude, same, man. Honestly, like, dude, we're on a bus right now because we funded this whole little crazy run ourselves. We like took 50 grand. We're like, let's just, let's get a bus, let's pay the crew. So we're all 12 sardines in one bus right now. Oh shit, you guys all sleeping on the bus? Oh yeah, oh yeah, no, it's like, we're in the boat. No shitting on the bus? No, no, that's the rule. Yeah, we know that rule, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, it's like man. We're in the boat No, no, that's yeah, we know that rule. Yeah that rule you guys have been in those

Yeah, we've with that is a hard and fast rule one person will try to break that rule Oh, no, yeah, yeah, and then there's the lore of backdrops You do if you have you been shamed have you been in a compromising position to have to do a backdrop is this guy? Bye. No, is that when you empty the gray water tank? Oh Have you been in a compromising position to have to do a bag drop? Is this guy behind glass? Is that when you empty the gray water tank out? Oh, what is it? Is that it? That's when you line a toilet and you have to do the thing

and then you take that trash bag. Oh, you're shitting in a bag? And you gotta drop it on the highway and hope to God nobody's behind you. I've heard horror stories. You've got to say, Dave Matthews band, yeah. Yeah, Dave Matthews. I've heard it.

That's a Chicago legend. Yeah, but it's like a Grenade Matthews, right? It's just like a one and done. It's just a full on pull in the one arm bandit and let's let her rip. Oh, that's wild. I can't say that we've done that, but we might have to try. I've seen many of them in. Gamble and lose.

I think we have to try. I got a question for you about video games, actually. Because one of my favorite bands of all time, Goldfinger, they reached an audience that they, I don't think, ever would have. They already had a big audience, but they became international to an extent because they were on the Tony Hawk soundtrack. Sure, yeah.

That was huge, yeah. I know they gained a ton of fans from that. And I know a lot of people have started to follow you guys through video game soundtracks yes that rock band when that shit was going a guitar hero rock band man that that like was just a synchronistic moment in our ascension to just be like I have so many dudes that are like yo bro yeah Lego rock band man I'm like what the fuck is a Lego one yeah I don't know if I got paid for that yeah was that like a was that a conscious decision that you guys made

like no man opportunity was flying and we're just like dude yeah like I don't I don't know like let's just let's that we make this music to share man get it out in any way we can yeah yeah but there's there's tons of people I know at this office that have heard you guys on video games that was their introduction to you and yeah like I think we got a Madden with one like yeah there was there was a lot of sports stuff a lot of like driving games and shit yeah man it's it wasn't what it is now so yeah we were just taking a flyer going hey that's new audience listen that's that's I don't know if we were thinking that we're just like hey

that's a pretty decent check yeah that's who yeah that's yes you guys said yeah for sure when you when you guys you guys took a hiatus how long was hiatus? 13 years okay, so 13 years how like during that hiatus were you just? What were their moments were you just like oh we got to get back together because I'm always curious with with with bands We didn't break up man Yeah like a lot of people a lot of bands like in our semen like they did the they did the kiss thing where they're like We're breaking up and then like two years later,

they're fucking back together. Cause you guys are making stuff. It's an opportunistic choice, man. The retirement tour. That's right, it's a bullshit move. You guys are making stuff here and there throughout the hiatus. Yeah, we were like dabbling,

trying to find a new way to kinda make the sausage, you know, like the dynamic of growth when you start at 17, which I'm sure you guys have seen even since you started this podcast, who's going to take what and how's this flow going? We had this lived experience together and then we departed, we literally geographically separate from each other and I kind of got better at, in my own space about like writing some music and that's what this whole new record with. We got this song dropping called Easy Come Easy Go in June. And it doesn't sound like what you know it says.

It's a great song though. It's fucking lit dude. Yeah. I'm really proud of it because it's like, you know, when you're 17 writing songs, yeah you're writing about heartbreak. You're writing about something that's actually there and tangible to you.

But when you're past your 30s, like there's something else when you can look back. Your family's falling apart. You got, you know, there's a lot of rich ground just besides, oh, you know, somebody just broke my heart. Right, right. I got a really dumb question for you. I love it.

Have you always been cool? You're fucking cool. I mean like Cool man, you guys were sports junkies and I bet you were since you were kids, you know, like Rock and Rolls born in a kid's bedroom who doesn't have friends. That's true Like how do you how do you play guitar? I said well the best thing to do is be 13 years old Don't have anything else to do is be 13 years old, don't have anything else to do in your life,

and just be obsessed with playing guitar or listen to the music. Yeah, we were not the sports stars. That's as far as like, you know, we were drawn to music and, you know, subversive music that isn't on the radio. That really limits the pool of friends to be like, yo, do you like this kind of rock and roll? It's like, no, man, I'm listening to Britney Spears right now

that really thinned the herd out. But yeah, it's born in garages, born in basements, born in between Playboy magazines. Hell yeah. What did you listen to growing up? Man, I was a poor kid from Oklahoma, so like, I hopped in people's cars to get rides home and I was just a radio kid, man.

Like, I remember when like that enema of the state dropped. I remember that was like blasting in the parking lot. I remember when it was Bring Your Music to School Day and it was like, shit was playing over here, it was like Nine Inch Nails whenever that came out, like I wanna fuck you like an animal. Like that was, you know, everybody heard fuck loud in a school, you're like, fuck you.

It was like an awakening for a bunch of Oklahoma kids. And you know, Zero, Smashing Pumpkins. I remember that record was in the corner over there. And then like, you got Tragic Kingdom by No Doubt. Yes. It was just like this swath of, the good thing about being from Oklahoma is MTV fed us well. That was MTV spring break,

you're seeing the people you wanna be on the house's style turntable with models walking by. It was like, MTV sold a really cool dream to us 90s, like 80s babies that kind of really found our form in the 90s, so I feel really bad that kids don't have that today. Yeah, TRL, I used to watch TRL like every day.

TRL was sick. But like, fuck dude, MTV Spring Break is so, I remember, I was off for school, but I sat on my ass watching Limp Biscuit play the house. It was, it was, yeah. Iconic man. Yeah. That's awesome. It does suck that we don't have that. There's no, what's the word for it? Mono culture. It's mono culture. Yeah. Why everyone that's a big word that I do not know. It's like the thing that everybody pays attention to. Oh, yeah. like if you if it band made it on TRL in top 10 you

were like everyone knew that song then whereas now it's like oh you have your favorite band I have my favorite band it's all like pockets everywhere I think it's even harder it's like there's a it's like the mono culture is like there's four people yeah it's like right now it's, what is it? It's like Chappell Rhone, it's Sabrina Carpenter. Ed Sheeran maybe? Yeah. I've seen him a lot lately.

Like it's like we don't, the pool is like for the masses has totally become like a kiddie pool. Yeah. Versus I feel like we, we're so fucking spoiled, man. We had a really cool like a pond to dip into. Which one of your peers that like, as you guys were huge in like the 2000s, were you ever like really good friends

with any of those bands? Oh man, we were so, you know, we were so Oklahoma, man. We were just like smoking weed and drinking every night. I love that. Like it was just like, nobody really wanted to hang out with us because we weren't like doing the scene and wearing the uniform you know. A lot of the kids in our scene like it was like eyeliner and and and dark clothes and hoodies and shit and we were just like t-shirt and jeans band from Oklahoma. The music was the only thing that like worked for us. So what do you think it is about some of those bands that now it feels like we're going through almost a second wave of

popularity for them? Yeah I don't know what it is man. You've got like in my chemical romance selling out there they're like selling out stadiums. Yeah. It's like massively popular again and whatever I'm super glad that it is because I mean I think it speaks to culture now right? I think people are Spotify as much as it be damned to so many artists for the way that they kind of pay the artists, you know, you got a kid listening to a metal playlist listening to current metal and then Black Sabbath comes on.

But it's in that same feed, it's not on a 70s radio station of rock and they're like, who the fuck is this? Crazy Train? And they don't realize the fuck is this crazy train yeah and that you know they don't realize the genesis of the whole thing it's just this giant melting pot so I feel like nostalgia isn't it's not it's I think it's by happenstance like people are like wow this shit's good yeah and it was written yesterday I don't really fucking care can I see that band now I'm gonna go see

that shit yeah it is true like Spotify I'm sure you have a different deal with them obviously we like Spotify that they put no I like them but I don't have any problem with them I hear a lot of artists like speak out about how they don't pay them well and I'm just like well I mean hey man like this is the game where music the music industry ever really treated artists right done a 50-50 split with right right you can't say equal partnership son we're right here just to support the music industry ever really treated artists, done a 50-50 split with the artists. It's an equal partnership, son. We're right here just to support you.

But Spotify, one of my favorite things to do is do the Spotify radio where you pick one song you like or band you like and then it just goes. And then you find new stuff and you're like, oh man, this is awesome. Yeah, like feed me, man. What are you guys listening to right now? I'm just curious, what's in the spin table for you?

So I'm getting real, real deep into some shit that I think I might need to take a break from because it's Breaking my brain. I found I found this artist on Spotify. It was on the like for you playlist and I I think he's a great songwriter. He's put out three songs on his own But it's all like super professionally produced with professional musicians. You can tell I think he might be AI Because I'm trying to find him everywhere online. Because I'm like, this guy fucking rocks. How do you get duped by that? It's that good now, isn't it?

I don't know. I'm not, I don't want to say his name because I don't want to say that he's AI, but I'm doing a personal investigation into him right now. Holy shit. Yeah, yeah. So I'm like, what are you going to do if it's actually not a human?

I think I might just quit the internet at that point. Sweet. This could be the last broadcast. Yeah, it might be. I think I might just quit the internet at that point. Sweet. You gotta pull the onto them. This could be the last broadcast. Yeah, it might be. No, I don't know. I tend to get stuck in ruts with bands that I've always listened to.

Like, I rarely add new music to my repertoire, if that makes sense. You keep a strong phalanx. I should add more, but I'm like, I can go back and I can listen to mighty mighty boss tones again Yeah, I think that feels good. Yeah, and yeah, I want to get that. I want to smell ck1. Yeah, exactly Did you tour with CKY? Oh, yeah, dude. We toured with CKY. How insane was that? My first tour. That was your first tour you went out first with a CKY guys. That's incredible. You wanna hear a wack ass story?

It's funny, man. So the guitarist of that band's this guy named Chad. And he's like, I'm Chad. And he's like very, you can tell he idolizes G.G. Allen and like really is all about sort of this, I don't know, sort of spectacle of vulgarity and like, you know, G.G. Allen used to like shit his hand and rub it on his chest and shit. And we were doing this run with him and his hand and rub it on his chest. And we were

doing this run with them and they picked us to be on the tour. And we get like 10 shows into them, they're like, they like bled back to us and they're like, yo man, CKY doesn't like you guys. Like they don't like your band, man. They don't want you on this tour. We're like, all right, well fuck, they can tell us that they don't want us. And then one night Chad got up on the merch and goes, don't buy this band's tour." We're like, all right, well fuck, they can tell us that they don't want us. And then one night Chad got up on the merch table and goes, don't buy this band's merch. And this Warner van, man, like we need that gas money. Like that, what a dick.

And so the next night we were like at their hometown of Philly. And when they got on stage, we went and drank all their beer. And they kicked us off. And that felt really good. To go out with a nice buzz. That's awesome. That's awesome. That's a fun one. Yeah. All right, I got one last question from you. Yeah, man. Throw it. You guys are on tour all summer. Yeah, man. We're actually, this is a fun one.

We're going out with the Jonas Brothers this fall. Hell yes. We're doing like arenas and stadiums with them. If you want to see a really interesting juxtaposition, come to the early show of the Jonas Bros Tour. And how many more of the backyard shows are you gonna be doing? We've kind of put a pin because we got the Indy 500 tomorrow night. Have you ever been?

No, dude, no. It's fun, crazy. I went down the street and I found this check Oh, that's literally was right there on the end cap. I was like, let's go. Yeah Yeah, uh, and then we're gonna we're gonna find a way to make a little bit better of an infrastructure for these house shows Yeah, cuz it feels like it's a great idea and then it probably got super popular. You're like, oh fuck No one wants to be Icarus. Yeah probably got super popular. You're like, oh fuck. No one wants to be Icarus. Yeah.

All right. So my last question, row back question, r h l b a c k.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Cues, it's polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, ro back.com promo code takes. So I read this and you could tell me, and I'm sure you do that so fucking well. Thank you. It was like somebody else just entered your body. Just take over poltergeist So you're the lead guitarist Nick in a band I read that he listens to Maggie Mae by Rod Stewart every single morning. Is that true? What other ways is a man supposed to wake up? It's a great song. It's audio sunshine. Is he does you every single? I I bet I've caught him a couple days, you know listen to something else. Okay. All right

Yeah, no, I like that as a tradition. Yeah, he's he's very much Like I don't know how polar opposite you guys are like I'm the I'm very free flowing and he He lives his life on a on a very regiment Maggie Mae every wake up Maggie It's not Monday if Maggie Mae isn't with me It that that has got to be if you're gonna pick one song to wake up to every day That's got to be like top five. That's good. It's a good morning hard Have you if you heard that rancid record? Yeah, like Alcon the wolves good morning Good that was like that was like my high school morning song. I just realized he's like unintentionally just doing Bill Murray Groundhog's day.

He lives like that. He truly does. He's like fully in that, and he'll say this, he's like, he's not full on Mark Summers, Howie Mandel, but boy, he really rides that awesome line of like, I need my life to work the same way every day Right. Yeah, if you accept that then you can make it work. Yeah, Maggie May hoping it every day Uh, all right. Well, thanks so much, dude. We really appreciate thanks man. I'm gonna warm up this voice for you Yeah, it's gonna be awesome and everyone go see all American rejects out all summer do it everyone go see All American Rejects out all summer. Do it. Tyson Ritter from All American Rejects is brought to you by Shell Oil, where you can get more with Shell V-Powered Nitro Plus Premium Gasoline. It's got more performance, more power, more protection and more. Protects

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See store or sleepnumber.com for details. All right, we're going to wrap up the show. We got first of all, thank you to Tyson Ritter. That concert on Thursday night was incredible. It was awesome. Yeah. Surreal. They just played hit after hit after banger after banger after banger It was a great show go see them because they are putting on great shows and it was very cool

Thank you to PFT for coordinating that because that was a very cool moment to have I think we now have to yeah Shout out Nate at night too for for the assist Oh nice and and their new song too easy come easy go that might be a song yes but we need this might just have to be a thing we do concert series mm-hmm parcel HQ it was very cool it was like we do a lot of crazy surreal shit but it was a good quick concert quick all-american rejects concert on the basketball court yeah if we're to do a series of concerts like tiny desk Would it be tiny store would be giant stool?

Mmm, or would it be stool? Yeah big stool stool live car stool karaoke What about just concerts in front of the golf simulator? Yeah That's where they played. Yeah, it was awesome. Yeah, I think their green room was where I keep like my kids little trucks. They were just hanging out in there. Cool guys. So thank you, Tyson. All right, we had a Monday reading but first Jordan of the week Hank. So our friend Pablo Torre had an update.

Everyone go watch his video. Listen to his podcast. Seems like they've been dating for a while. And the famous Bill Belichick ring camera video was during OTAs in what? 2022? Yeah. Or 2023? Well, there, there were also some shots that he found in the stands. I don't know how he found they've got like the fan cam yeah that you can click on a section to see yourself or see anybody really and he found a picture

Of Jordan at a game. I believe in 2021. I like how you did that and well French Jordan and Belichick seats Yeah So there was also that but yeah, they're not know these updates cuz you said we don't need to do an update I saw the ring came when I watched I watched the interview with the Airbnb guy I mean we stand by Jordan. She's upset. She might she tweeted at Airbnb saying she might sue. Mm-hmm. Yeah, we will Will will be in with you. I told her that seems like a pretty clear first amendment violation. Yeah I'm team skull fuck teams or Don. Yeah, we see we remain teams or Don But it does seem a little interesting because I didn't fully understand the timeline. It feels like maybe

Bill Bojack was a little distracted The real loser here might be Mac Jones Maybe what if Jordan was the reason that Mac Jones didn't make it as an NFL quarterback? I mean, it's just timing. It's just, it's probably just a coincidence. You're not allowed to have sleepovers for OTAs. No, you can. Absolutely. We love love. What was, what was Belichick wasn't coaching as hard as he possibly could have been? What do you think as hard as he possibly could have been what do you think I think I think Let me let me let me let me volley that back at you when you are newly in love Wouldn't you say that being newly in love definitely takes up a lot of your thoughts maybe daydreams maybe

You know, oh my god. I can't wait to be done with OTA so I can go back to my fuckshack Shit like that. It's hard to coach pocket presence when you don't have any of your own, right? Right. Is that fair to say like every time depends who you are depends, you know, he's out there. He's yelling at you He's like he's like hit the a gap and he's like, oh, yeah, that'd be pretty nice. Yeah can't wait to Get back to Jordan. That's good penetration. Everything reminds me Would you say that's fair? Gillette field she's so smooth

Yes These are all out of respect by the way. They are to Jordan so yeah It doesn't if because I was under the assumption that this happened almost like toward like very end and it was like newly single Bella check newly fired Bella check Doing his thing now. It feels like you want to my theory. Yeah, I think that we in the media When Brady and Bella check broke up, I think we we spent a lot of time using the word divorce. Mm-hmm I think Bill might have treated it and processed it like a divorce.

Oh. At the time, where he's like, my main thing is gone now. Time to find some new strange. So you think Jordan was... He was in rebound mode. Jordan was the rebounder from Tom Brady. Yes. Wow.

That's what I think was happening. So Belichick went from one goat to another. Exactly. He knows how to pick them. Like, he's what I think was from. So Belichick went from one goat to another. Exactly. He knows how to pick him. Like he's been he's been decades watching Tom Brady spin that thing. And he's like, there's got to be one heir apparent. And that's Jordan Jordan. When is that fair to say? Yeah, totally. You feel like you don't really want to talk about Jordan anymore. Are you worried that you might not get invited to the wedding now? No, I'm not worried about that.

And I like public Tori and I think he does a good work. OK, wasn't there a story about how when he's getting close to milking when Bill was when he was doing interviews for teams, wasn't there a story that like Robert Kraft might not have given the best endorsement ever correct when they called What are the chances that he might have mentioned Jordan and I think Robert Kraft was probably jealous Yeah, Robert Kirk. So are we saying here and I'm following your lead here You have to because I think I agree with it Robert Kraft

Number one cock blocker of all time. Mm-hmm was like no no you don't get that mm-hmm and Now you don't get a head coaching job. Yeah, I think I think connect the dots connect the dots fair to say Hank There's only one guy in this team that can get jacked off, and that's me yeah I think it's fair to say he probably brought it up. He probably did bring it up Which is bullshit because anyone would be lucky to be dating Jordan. And let's be honest, like she almost probably got him those jobs. Yeah. If she was there for the interviews, they were probably, it's like, wow, I'm getting two coaches for the price of one. Right. Forget the Superbowls. It's what have you done for me lately? Oh, you have Jordan. Yeah. Winner in the building. Yeah. You think Pablo's getting a little too close? Little too close? I think he should

keep going. Yeah. But I also defend Jordan. The moment where he walked out of the they got the the ring cam footage from the alternate angle and he walked out and he had the satchel over his shoulder. It's very funny. Very funny very funny like a business trip I also I think it was a Berenstein Bears thing I just I thought that Belichick farted in the video you might show video I don't know why I was waiting for the sound of the door or something yeah I just like that cuz that would have been a very Belichick move to just step out after a night of Jordan and being like gotta kind of let one rip I think we've all been there. Yeah. Yeah

guys being dudes All right. I got a quick Monday reading for you guys that I thought was very funny That we got tagged in a bunch. It is in the reddit shrooms community The title of it husband did a large dose of shrooms became convinced. He was an Italian chef in a past life Proceeded to make spaghetti. Yep Quick background we live with my mom. My side is very heavy is very heavily Italian My mom grew up in Italy does that mean fat or does that I don't know max

Can we get a ruling max's high side is very heavily Italian. I'm a heavy Italian. Are you heavily Italian? Why do you do that to yourself? You asked the question, I answered the question. That wasn't what we were asking. My mom grew up in Italy. My husband is best described as a southerner. Family all in Alabama for 200 plus years.

I'd say that's not best described. He is a southerner. He is not a good cook at all. He once burnt ramen. I'd say that's not best described. He is a southerner. He is not a good cook at all. He once burnt ramen. I've done that. Yeah. Sometimes you just forget. You just fall asleep.

Sometimes you put the noodles in the microwave for a little bit too long, maybe leave the spoon in there, and then sparks start flying. Yeah. It happens. Yeah. He's been going through a tough time. His dad died two months ago. He wanted to do a large dose.

His wording was he wanted to take a large dose and follow the advice a lot of people Give for a heroic dose dark room alone everything turned off, etc. He took 12 grams of shrooms That's a lot That's a lot Proceeded to go extremely catatonic spaced out, etc uh... proceeded to go extremely catatonic spaced out etc when he came out of the next day he seemed very at peace and declared that he realized he was an italian chef in a past life me and my mom are both very amused because he's never been a good cook

he proceeded to say that he was gonna make spaghetti for dinner and he'd make the sauce from scratch me and my mom didn't say anything but uh okay. He cooked it that night. We were expecting a disaster, especially because we watched him just wing it. He didn't look up any instructions or measure anything. He said that he couldn't remember specifics, but making it felt like muscle memory. This motherfucker made the best sauce I've ever tasted. Hell yeah. And my mom was rattled and said it was the best she's ever tasted It was far superior to hers and that's not something she ever easily admit

She even called it perfect every single person who tasted it was amazed by it The main question going through my mind right now is what the fuck I love that because you hear the stories about the people that have A have a stroke and then they wake up and they can play the piano. You know, they don't speak Russian Yeah, someone like get like drowns for a few minutes and now can do math. That's my dream to have a minor stroke and wake up and I'm good at gambling. Yeah, that'd be sick. Be a quant. Yeah, but this guy rocks. I think he I think you got to give it up to this guy. I think just let him keep going. Imagine if he opens up a restaurant and like this is his story. Yeah, incredible. This guy's gonna be Aaron Rodgers personal chef. This is this is a

What a what an awesome awesome, dude, so the the mushrooms I want to I want your follow-ups though I want to see if this trend continues. I want to see if he can like step outside the comfort zone because like spaghetti sauce I'm sure he's eating a lot of spaghetti sauce in his life. So maybe he knows Kind of intuitively what goes into that? Yeah, but what if he gets what if he branches out a little bit what if he does like cacio e pepe oh what if he does like a tortellini soup what would he have to make max to pass the the test test of like being fully Italian chef I mean that's that's one one right there. Just making your own sauce from scratch muscle memory Just like a I mean a good red sauce is is the most important thing of an Italian chef in my eyes mm-hmm

I'm looking her up right now. I'm gonna see if I can find her maybe some fruit of the Mara Okay, I'm gonna see this guy spread his wings a little bit blue shit was that Say it one more time I wanna see this guy spread his wings a little bit. Blue shit? Was that? Say that one more time. You say, blue shit? Oh, that was good, yeah. Nailed it. That was good.

I nailed it. Oh, what the hell? She's sharing his recipe. You can't do that. No, you can't. Well, he didn't write it down, did he? I thought he cooked from the heart. No, she watched him do it the next day for lunch. He's cooking it every day then and then it's fraud

But you should you should try it what goes into it cook it one large yellow onion chopped Not for finely diced two bulbs of garlic peeled and crushed olive oil salt dried oregano dried parsley dried thyme Is time time? I'm not a cook. Two pounds of ground beef, one large can of tomato sauce. I feel bad even saying this. Well, let's be real. The guy, he should be using fresh herbs if he's going to go down this road. Yeah. I, I was just as frog. You think so? You think he lifted the recipe from somewhere? I mean this is just, there's nothing, this is, there's nothing special about this sauce. There's also a chance that maybe he's been studying, like secretly studying how to be a cook for a while, and he's too embarrassed to tell his family about it, because as a

strong Italian family they maybe would not want him changing careers and becoming a chef, and so then he's just using the massive dose of mushrooms as a cover. Now it's time to follow my heart. He's been training this whole time. Huh? I believe this. I believe this guy, I want him to cook for us. He seems like the man he said she said she updated a little and said that uh, he didn't have like an aha moment. It was just more of a deja vu that he had worked in a kitchen in a past life in a past life. Is he went he went blackout and he forgot who he was. He remembered a restaurant kitchen that felt familiar. He'd alternate between his vision flashing different colors emotions felt like he was fast forwarding and rewinding

through all the motions of his past lives. He do that for a while and then remember come back to the kitchen and feel the anxiety of a lunch dinner rush, then go back to the color flashes. He said he felt like that cycle kept happening forever. He said it felt more like deja vu when he remembered that life than a sudden realization that it was his past life. I like this guy. I want him to cook for us. I want to cook some pizza for us sausage and peppers. Damn. What would be the coolest thing to have our past lives? ice cream machine technician. That would be sick. We could use that right. Yeah. We did make there's been a purchase made we have a full industrial sized kitchen strength ice cream machine. I think we talked about this on Oh, we did. Yeah, it's been a purchase made we have a full industrial sized kitchen strength

Ice-cream machine, I think we talked about this on oh we did on yeah, it's been a long day It's been a long days between yeah, it's been a lot of days between Mac and we've been talking about the ice cream Well you started it today cuz you said I like one o'clock in the yeah Ready We why why so early I was curious you were hungry for ice coax you yeah Yeah, what time in the afternoon you said, oh, is it ready? Were you, why? Why so early? I was curious. You were hungry for ice cream?

Well actually, I'm not hungry. Yeah, don't come, let's. I'm not hungry. I was definitely hungry for ice cream at that time. I'm sure you probably had ice cream. I might have had some ice cream after lunch. You're right. I'm not gonna throw any stones.

Alright, next show's Friday. Numbers. Three. Oh wow, you were right on top of that. Six. Is that for Nixon? Six. 65.

Let's go 48. 54. 99. Live. What is the I stand for? Four. 81. That's not true. The I is Roman numeral one. No it's not. It is.

The I is one less than five. Yeah. Four. The I stands stands for that's what I said the I stands for one This is the stands for the V stands for five. So that would be six notes No, because after it because it's before it means subtract if it was vi it'd be six If it's V if it's IV, it's four. So it's one. Okay. Okay. Think about the Super Bowls You've won. No, I yeah of which there are many It goes II III pre-jury IV for 4 V for 5 V I for 6 V II for 7 got it

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