Pardon My Take - Chargers Head Coach Brandon Staley, Tom Wilson Fight Night And Fyre Fest Of The Week

Episode Date: May 7, 2021

Elon Musk is hosting SNL and we help him out (3:24 - 5:55). Tom Wilson fight night at MSG. Schefter gives context to the Aaron Rodgers drama and Blake Bortles may sign with the Packers (5:55 - 28:57). LA Chargers Head Coach Brandon Staley joins the show to talk about his football journey to LA, coaching some of the best players, Bolt Man, and a new Football Guy term for our repertoire (28:57 - 67:37). We finish by ripping a few card packs and Fyre Fest of the Week.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

Hey, pardon my take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen, ad-free, on Amazon Music. On today's pardon my take, we have Charger's head coach Brandon Staley on the show, awesome interview, new football guy term that will be unveiled. You have to listen for it, but it is awesome. Maybe we'll make merch for it. I don't know.

We'll figure it out, but very, very fun interview. We have little Adam Schefter dropping a bomb about the Aaron Rodgers situation, Tom Wilson fought the entire New York Rangers, Blake Bortles possibly the Packers, Firefest of the Week, and our first ever card, what do you call it, card-pack, card-pack, we're ripping. Ripping packs. We're going to rip a pack. We're going to fucking rip a pack at the end of the show, and whatever we get and we sell it, we'll then disperse it to whoever guesses the number correctly, honor code.

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And I get, you know what Hank, what we got against the East River? There was a dolphin in the East River. No joke. There's a dolphin in the East River. I just the Seinfeld episode that that one always strikes in my head. And he went swimming in the Kramer in a wetsuit. Yeah, it was fine. Nothing bad happened to Kramer after that.

I actually see all the times people jet skiing all the time that grows very weird. It's very weird. It is strange to see anybody doing any sort of activity in nature in New York. Yes. Yes. Jet skiing in the East River. I want to talk to one of those. We should do it.

Elon Musk should do it on SNL. Yeah, he should. He absolutely should. He should also, what if Elon just at the start of the episode, he pulled an Oprah and he just told everybody in the audience, he was giving them a million bucks each. Oh, look under your chair. Yeah, look under your chair. It's a million bucks.

It's a mini guillotine. And then he had everybody just get robbed right as they left the studio. That would be cool too. Get his money back. I also would like to see Elon Musk. I mean, I don't think he has self-awareness, but it would be funny to do like a board meeting at Musk. What's it?

Tesla? Tesla. That's the boring company? Yeah, the boring company. That's what I was looking for, where they just reinvent things that we already have like that time that Elon Musk tried to invent the subway. You know, it'd be very funny if he just straight up announced that he bought the Yankees and then dissolved the Yankees immediately.

Yeah. Or the Yankees are no more. What if he, what if he starts a show and he creates a super league? That'd be funny too. I like that. And everyone's invited. Can they, could you, if you're a fan of soccer, can you say no to a super league that invites everyone?

No, I don't think again. And that would truly be super. And it should be countries instead of teams and instead of club teams, they should play once every four years. Yeah. But the U.S. doesn't qualify. Sometimes. Most of the time.

Most of the time. And when they do, they're not good. Right. Yeah. Well, except for that time, we drew against Portugal. That was a huge result. No, Spain. No, we beat Portugal.

And we drew against Spain. We drew against Spain. We just lose to Ghana every year. Watch out. Soccer knowledge going crazy. I could actually see him doing something where he injects himself with CRISPR technology, the RNA stuff, and makes himself part Shiba Inu to drive up the price of dogecoin. He better drop some doge on Saturday night.

See that thing go to the moon. All right. So we got some stories to talk about. One is, let's start with Tom Wilson. He fought the entire Rangers. PFT, you were there. The kind of goes to exactly what we were saying on Wednesday that the problem is the NHL not having.

They basically got like the goon. The goon is extinct in the NHL. The fighting has been phased out of the league. The big guys don't have a place anymore. Therefore, Tom Wilson is the toughest guy in the world, and he beat the entire New York Rangers roster. And I think I actually think for the Rangers, like if you go into that game knowing you can't beat up Tom Wilson, don't even fight him.

It was the best hockey game I've ever been to besides when they won the Stanley Cup. It was so much fun in that crowd. So like right as the puck dropped, everybody fought. It was a line brawl. That's what they call it in hockey. They have a term for it. I think that honestly, like forget about other sports, which should absolutely incorporate fighting.

I think that's healthy. Workplaces should allow fighting. Like if you get into a fight, if you know that fisticuffs are on the table and you can fight in the first 30 minutes of your work day, you'll probably end up having a more productive day after that. You're going to get all your frustration out. Like Jake and Hank would probably be at blows right now after the ass whooping that Jake put on Hank in Stoolstream Stadium today.

Did you just invent the plot to Fight Club? Yeah. Yeah. Except you should be able to talk about it. Got it. Got it. It was such a fucking fun game, but you're right. Tom Wilson doesn't have like he's the apex predator right now.

Yeah. There's no counterpoint. And listening to Eddie Olczak between periods, go through the list of the Rangers roster and just saying this guy, he couldn't beat up Tom Wilson. This guy, Tom Wilson probably could have fought his way through the entire roster and the front office, which halfway doesn't exist anymore, which doesn't exist anymore and come out a winner at the end of the night. Yeah.

So to make it even worse for the New York Rangers, James Dolan fired the guys who were in charge of the rebuild who all Rangers fans are really upset. And then the Rangers got fined $250,000 for criticizing the NHL. So essentially the Rangers have played themselves so thoroughly and it's hilarious because I honestly think if Tom Wilson had just been suspended for one single game, none of this would have happened. Probably not. That's really all that it took.

And I appreciate the NHL now giving us more of a like, if you want to get real woke, the NHL only giving a $5,000 fine was the greatest thing they've ever done because it kept the story going and having people talk about the NHL before the playoffs for another week. Yeah. It was actually like they did not do this on purpose, but we got, we're all talking about hockey right now. Or at least fighting in hockey, which I mean, listen, you can try to get fighting out of the game, but the game is better when there are goons going at it.

Each franchise should take one player, their biggest player that they have in the developmental system and just be like, listen, we're just going to work with you on MMA, on boxing. You don't practice hockey anymore. You're going to be a full-time fighter and just have that guy stashed and ready to go and have that guy at the end of your bench for every single game. It would have been very funny if they had just brought up a guy from the Miners just to get punched by Tom Wilson. They should have, if the Rangers really were thinking about how to really maximize the

exposure, they should have just signed Jake Paul. Yes. Have him fight him. The entire thing was guys. Or biz. It was so much fun being at the game and because it was like socially distanced in the crowd, I think they're only doing like 10, 20% capacity. There was enough space between you and the people around you that even if you were rooting

for the Capitol, somebody else was rooting for the Rangers. There was no like threat of violence between the fans because you'd have to get up, walk a couple steps, unmask. It's like a waiting period for a handgun. By the time you get to the guy, you're like, ah, you know what, I've walked up three steps already. I'll just go back to my seat. It was a lot of fun.

A lot of people are saying that James Dolan now choosing to focus his attention on the Rangers is what's actually tearing the team apart and that's why the Knicks are good right now. Yep. It's like a three year old with a bowl of spaghetti in one hand and like a bowl of cereal on the table. You can only fuck up one thing at any given time if you're James Dolan. Oh, that's, I would say that that's not true.

He is. You could definitely, he's a child could definitely fuck up a lot of things at the same time. Good, but I don't think James Dolan is competent enough to fuck up two things at the same time. He might. Don't tempt him. That's a, that's a bold, the people who are listening to the show or who are diehard Knicks and Rangers fans have James Dolan in their life are being like, fuck you, PFT, do not give him a challenge.

Don't, don't. Don't let him. Don't test him. I think that. So there was one other thing that the Rangers did that continued to play themselves. They ended up getting a suspension from one of their players for cross checking when he put a stick up into our guy's face. And so now like they've, they've gone and hurt themselves more through the retaliation

and it, people are saying like would have taught. Can you imagine if Tom Wilson did this has become the new imagine if Patrick Mahomes makes this throw? Everybody talks about it. Or Ray Rice was suspended for only two games. Exactly. So like you can, you can take anything that happens in sports or even outside of sports if it's bad, be like, imagine how, how people would react if Tom Wilson was caught doing

this. This is bullshit. All right. Like when Jake Paul took Floyd Mayweather's hat. That. Imagine if Tom Wilson did that, dude, that was such an awesome troll move. I know that like it, who knows at this point with the Paul brothers, like you could make the argument like everything's fake or everything's fake, whatever, taking someone's hat like

that and just saying got your hat. No matter how old you are, how young you are, whatever it would be, like you could be the richest man, the poorest man, whatever you are, that bothers you. If someone just comes up, steals your hat, runs away and says, got your hat. That fucking sucks. It's even, it's so much worse when the person says, I got your hat. Got your hat. If you just steal the hat and it's like, okay, that guy's weird.

You saw Floyd naturally react. Yeah. He's got my hat. Yeah. He's got my hat. Yeah. It's like if you steal somebody's hat and tell them they got your hat, that's bad. If you flick somebody's ear, that's also pretty bad.

Wet Willy. Wet Willy. Anything involving the ear really. Dry Willy. Yeah. Have a dry Willy someone. That's fucked up. He should have.

He should have stolen a hat. Hancing someone. Hancing. Yeah. He's very soft morick here, but a pants, a pants, when you can get the underwear as well and the person's dick and balls flop out is the height of comedy. Happen to me playing pick up asshole with my friends, with my friends, full pants. Like if I were you, I must, if I really wanted to make everyone laugh, I would just go up

and pants Lauren Michaels on air be like, Hey, Lauren, I want to do a skit where you're wearing a basketball shorts and just fucking pants them, dick and balls, flopping out funniest stuff. I just dropped my shirt like below to pull it down. Like you like bend your knees and yeah, I'm so awkward. Like if I could do like a Kings of Comedy tour, it would just be people getting pants and puking. Farting too.

I'm just describing jackass, which I love. But getting pants as you're pushing somebody in a shopping cart into a tree. Oh my God. Comedy doesn't get any better than that. It's the best. All right. So the other story we had, Adam Schefter revealed that he dropped all the Aaron Rodgers news. It was an accumulation of information, I think he said on draft day.

People are very upset about that. I actually think I kind of love it by chef to use. I know. All right. I actually have a question for the big J in the room. Was this, will they be teaching this course in Syracuse and saying, Hey, this was wrong. You should have reported it when either you had all the facts or the first second you had any inkling up this.

Did Adam Schefter break? I'll be honest. His tweet, I just saw you saying there's a potential of Blake going to green back. Okay. So all right, I'll explain to you. So Adam Schefter went on the, the Dan Patrick show today and he essentially was like, there, this has been brewing, which we all knew. Like that was a fact.

We all knew. But Adam Schefter said, uh, I tweeted it on the day of the draft. Like he didn't have to tweet it then. Right. He tweeted it then for maximum effect, basically getting the entire world talking about the NFL, uh, the entire world getting excited for the draft cause like, Oh no, are the packers going to trade or what are they going to do? So he sort of withheld information, but also it sounds like it was just like, it wasn't

one specific thing. He was just a ton of, uh, talk about Aaron Rodgers, I also don't believe that this is true. But the timing is too much of a coincidence of what of like him just randomly accumulating all this information until it reached a breaking point on the morning of the draft. Well, no, he's, he admitted that he, that's not true. Like he, he basically said he decided to just tweet it on the draft day because it's a draft day.

So you guess he just took the risk of not being beat to the scoop. Yeah, kind of. Well, he said that he could have tweeted a week later, two weeks later. Like Rossi does the same thing where in the draft started to tweet it like Charleston Southerners hosting Sam, Samford. That's a huge snooze. Right. But he picked that specific time to do it.

Then right when he put it out, it was very funny to see like rap sheet have to jump on it and be like, yeah, I'm also hearing right. Yeah. Like no, no one man should have all the power that Adam Shepter has in the NFL. If he tweeted like on a Sunday morning, if he tweets like Taysom Hill is being investigated for murder, Sean Payton will probably bench him that day. Yeah. Oh my God.

And then rap sheet will be like, yes, I'm hearing he stabbed somebody. Yeah. It was the one thing it do teach you is you always, it's always better to be right than be first. But it did feel like Shepter basically tried to cause chaos. Yeah. Yeah. He tried to cut, which I actually, he's a joker.

He's the joker of the NFL media complex. Yeah. And this is where the line, this is kind of the crux of my question, Jake is Adam Shepter is a journalist, but he also his job is to get people to watch ESPN. Yeah. Right. And people are going to watch the draft if they think Aaron Rodgers might get traded during the draft.

So I think that was kind of what he was going for. Where what do we do here? I don't think there's any big J regulations that go against what he did. I think you have to stop teaching the it's better to be right than first lesson. It's better internet one-on-one. You be first. Do they have a class? Yeah.

You be first and you be loudest and that person ends up being right. That's new media, Jake. Yeah. Or do they have a class that's like you do the number one goal is to make money for your company? Not when I was there. That's what I would teach. Yeah.

There was calm law. It's a calm law with like libel and slander. The difference is, I think there's an ethics class. Yeah. No, everything that you're describing sounds a little too ethical for my taste. Yeah. I want my insiders just straight up making up like fake arrest charges just to move the point spread and whatever.

Well, we have an insider that sometimes just makes stuff up and hits news half the time. Who's that? R.I.P. Leroy. He's dead. We had. You just incorrectly reported that my dog was alive, Jake. That was libel.

Or slander. Libel slander is like dead in van. Who knows? I'm pretty sure libel is written and slander is spoken. Who knows? Who cares? So you slandered my dead dog. I apologize.

There's been too much dead dog talk on this episode already. Do they teach you tenses in school? Have or had? Yeah, calm 101. Pent for some point. Calm 101. Yeah. You must have got an F.

Either way. No, no, no. I'm gonna stick out for myself. At Leroy Insider. Yeah, that's true. That does still exist. He wasn't talking to you. He was talking about the account.

Yeah, I said the account. My grandmother's dead too. Would you like to discuss her? Does she have an account? I don't know. Maybe. She might have burners. I don't think what I just did was bad.

I don't have any grandparents left. You can say whatever. Last week from Leroy Insider. He's a fat dork. Hashtag the master. Oh, no, that's he switched over briefly to the Bryce and Vichambo track. Yeah. Yeah.

I do think as an owner of the Green Bay Packers, I kind of agree that they haven't surrounded Devante Adams with enough talent and it's probably time for Aaron Rodgers. I'm officially authorizing trade talks to begin with the Washington football team. How gallant. So if you need, if you need a quarterback who can cover the spread against Tom Brady in the playoffs, Taylor Heineke is your man up in Green Bay. Facts. Facts, which the Packers did not do against Tom Brady.

All right. So the other, the other fallout of this is that now it's rumored that the Packers are looking for a new quarterback. They only have one quarterback on the roster, Jordan Love. And obviously Aaron Rodgers, but Aaron Rodgers refuses to play for them as of right now. So they're looking for someone else for camp. Blake Bortles has been floated out there. I think maybe a coach on the staff knows Bortles or has coached with Bortles.

Was the floor, was he the, was he in Los Angeles when Bortles was there at all? Me? No. They have familiarity. Someone on the staff. I saw there was someone did the linking where it's like, this would make sense for this reason. Blake Bortles knows the Packers system of making it to the championship game and losing.

Correct. So Blake is possibly going to be a Packer. I texted him. I said, please don't. Please, please don't. I really, really, I decided I'm going to choose friendship over rivals and hope that Blake finds a job in the NFL and I'll root for him anywhere he goes. And what I just said is completely not true, but that sounded good.

Right? Did he respond? Yeah. I'm not going to say it. I don't want to ruin his, he said, who knows? He didn't say no. He said, who knows? So it would be, that's not what he said.

It may happen. It'd be very funny if Blake Bortles became like a Hall of Fame caliber quarterback after arriving in Green Bay for the next 16 years. One of the funniest. No, I don't, but you didn't let me finish. But Justin Fields was a little bit better that whole time. Hall of Fame plus. Hall of Fame.

Yeah. First ballot and then Blake gets in on the second one because he's a gentleman. Yeah. Right. But yeah, that will suck. I don't know. Blake doesn't want to go. It's too cold.

It's too cold. It looks like. It's too cold. Can you imagine that? Yeah. Blake. Come on. Yeah.

I want, I want Blake to do well and the NFL is a better league when Blake Bortles is in it. Fact. If it happens to be in Green Bay and if he happens to just start up ball out for the next 16 years, I think that's wonderful for everybody. Yes. Rising to, we're protecting the shield, big catch. Yeah.

No, I'm rooting for him. I'm rooting for Blake Bortles. And if he goes for the Packers, I will root for him there. Not. Okay. Anything else? Anything else? Interview coming up with Brandon Staley.

Any other news we need to get to, to send everyone off into the weekend? Trying to think. Trying, trying to think and I'm thinking and I'm thinking and I'm thinking and I got nothing right now. Anyone got anything? No, it's going to be fun weekend. It's going to be a great weekend. I think, I think it's going to rain in New York.

Summer's back. Again. Yeah. Do you know what? Summer's back though. Summer's back. I feel very excited about the summer. Do you know what sucks about the rain in New York?

It's hot rain. It never like fully commits. Like it's never like, and when it rains in the Midwest, it like rains. In New York, it's like just, it slightly spits on you for like three days straight. It's hot rain that you can sometimes confuse with the air conditioner drops. Yeah. Sometimes you don't actually know if it's raining or not. Right.

Just like, I want my rain to like show up and fight me like a man rain. Don't just do this little drizzle all day shit. It just kind of like, it inconveniences you. Right. It's the wet willy of precipitation. Right. You have to be out. It's like annoying.

You have to, you don't know what to wear. If you wear long sleeves, your arms get hot in the jacket. Wet willies aren't really. Try willies though. Do it. Do it. Just take your finger in your ear and then put it in someone else's mouth. That sounds like something.

It's very gross. Martian would do. Yes. It's very gross. He probably has done it. Oh, did you see Messier said that he knew how to fix the Rangers? Oh. I would love to see Mark Messier try to fix the New York Rangers because he's just basically

saying they're not tough enough. So he would make the worst roster possible. He would like a similar roster out of like monster trucks and blood. Yes. And they'd lose, you know, 50 games in a row and then they win 40 fights and be like, see, we, we change the culture here in New York. There should be. New York tough.

There should be a certain like, um, like a salary cap, but like a certain level of teams that have to be run by straight meatballs. Yes. Every, like every league you need to have, and you could maybe switch it around every year to year, whatever, but there has to be at least five teams that are always run by a true blue meatball. I, and by the way, here's one other thing we got to talk about. Tony LaRusso is getting just hammered right now.

He seems a little out of touch. He's in a bar. Yeah. No, he's behind the wheel. Okay. Um, so he didn't know the rules to the extra innings and everyone's flip flipping out about it. There's two things going on.

One is I do think Tony was a stupid hire by the White Sox and I feel for White Sox fans because their team is actually really good. Two, two, no one knew that rule. No one knew that rule. It's a weird rule. No one knew that rule. If you look at the, the statistical breakdown of how long Tony LaRusso has managed in Major League Baseball and how long they've had that rule, of course she doesn't know yet.

That's like, it makes up 0.2% of the time he's been in the league. Right. So you can't expect, listen, you can get down to like the nitty gritty analytics stuff and be like, Oh, Tony didn't know this or didn't know that. The bottom line is Tony is just there for one reason, one reason only just to kind of like be a father figure, like an absentee father figure. Right. And credit to Tony LaRusso for not throwing his whole entire coaching staff under the

bus because that's their fault. Like Tony LaRusso is not there to learn new rules. I just thought it was funny because they were like, how did he not know that? I guarantee you if you asked like a hundred baseball fans, that rule, maybe five of them wouldn't know it because I think it's this year. Right. I mean, it's part of the, it's part of the, yeah, starting its second base in, in extra innings.

But listen, it's called a manager, not a micromanager, you don't get bogged down into details. If you told Tony like, Hey, when the beer sales stop, that's when you start an inning with a runner on second base. I think you would pick it up pretty quickly. It's about knowing how to teach your guys the right lessons more so than it is just expecting them to know everything. And I like the seven inning game. I like the new rule of starting on second.

I know that a lot of people don't like it. I think it's better just because there's nothing worse than games going like 16 innings. You don't like it? No, it's just a, it's a sackbunt and a sack fly. You have a lot of times it doesn't work that way. It's weird. I feel like I've watched. Small ball, baby.

Yeah. But, and then the, and it won't matter for the playoffs, but I think it's, I think seven inning, uh, double headers. I like that except I don't know if they're doing this everywhere. I know they're doing it wriggly. It's fucking abomination. The fifth inning stretch. It's terrible.

I don't like that. It's terrible. You can't do a fifth inning stretch. There's nothing to stretch from. Yeah. That's stupid. So if there was a, uh, five inning game, you do a third inning stretch, which is crazy. The second inning stretch.

Yeah. What the fuck? Slippery slope. We can stretch before you even come in. How would you feel if college football did this for the regular season? What? I'd be very confused. Why there were bases.

Wait, what? Like something where it's like, you don't want to go into six, seven, eight over time. Yeah. They kind of already do that with the starting at 20. That's their over. And then you have to go for two. Yeah. That's their overtime.

You have to go for two. Right. But what if they made it even more so? I'm going to start at 25 and then you start at 20 and then you start at the four and then you go five. Let me correct what my, my initial take, because I agree with you here, changing the game, changing the game. Here's what I'm going to say.

You're right. The 10th and 11th inning should not be a player on second base. Once you get to the 12th, they should put him on second base. Fair? Yeah. Yeah. I think that's actually, that's actually where you're right. 10th inning.

I'm, I'm cool with like play it straight up 11th, same. But once you get to the 12th, just fucking get a guy on second base and let's get, let's get everyone out of here. Get everybody home. At that point, everybody in this, in less, in the playoffs, in the playoffs, you never have this regular base ever, ever have this rule. A regular, a regular season baseball game. Once you get past four hours, enough is enough, right?

Enough is enough. Let's just move on. Agreed. All right. Let's get to our interview though. We have an awesome interview with coach Brandon Staley from the LA Chargers credits to us for not saying San Diego Chargers. I wanted to say it like four times, shout out our fans in San Diego.

We, they don't listen to podcasts in San Diego. No, my brother's out there. He does. He does. We got at least one. Oh yeah. Him and Mookie. Yep.

I was going to say though, if you're in San Diego, why would you listen to a podcast? Well, I remember when they decided to move the Chargers, we took a lot of shots at the city of San Diego and said similar things. And there were a lot of people that were just like, Hey, I'm kind of mad because of what you said. Wait, that's not a shot. Well, we were, we were kind of dancing on the grave a little bit. Oh, but when I say, why would you listen to a podcast in San Diego?

That is the opposite of a shot. That means you have a life and you go outside and play volleyball on a Tuesday afternoon instead of listening to us. Right. No, what I'm saying is like people were halfway mad and then they're like, but then I walked outside. Right. And so I'm happy.

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Check them out. Okay. Here he is. Coach Brandon Staley. Okay. We now welcome on a very special guest. It is head coach of the LA Chargers, Brandon Staley, awesome to have you on coach. Let's start here.

We were looking at, I was looking at your resume. It's insane your ascension to head coach in the NFL. You four years ago, five years ago, were coaching at John Carroll and now you're the head coach of the LA Chargers. Have you had a chance yet or is that something that might not happen until you like, you know, week one where you're like, wait, literally five years ago, I was coaching at John Carroll University and now I am the head coach, one of 32 in the NFL. Yeah.

Time has gone by awfully fast. You know, my son Colin, six, he's lived in six states in six years. So we've been moving. But I think it doesn't make sense to a lot of people this timeline. I think the people that who know me well, it makes a lot of sense. You know, at John Carroll guys, if you investigate that place and who was with us at that place during that time, we were on a, we had a really special run. We had a lot of awesome players and then, you know, like the coaching staff that I was with,

I mean, five of us are in the NFL right now. Three of us were coordinators, you know, Dave Regone with the Atlanta Falcons, Frank Ross is the special teams coordinator of the Texans, Chris Shula, who's a great friend of mine's with the Rams, Jonathan Cooley. So we just had a really special group of coaches there. And, you know, I tell people guys like coaching at John Carroll is a lot more like coaching in the NFL than most anywhere in college football. I mean, it felt like that, that was an NFL environment every single day.

And it's a place that's really shaped me. It's a place that's really close to my heart. And I certainly wouldn't be here without that experience for sure. I feel like you can say that about the entire state of Ohio. It's like everybody in Ohio is a coach for some sport or another. What's it about that state that that growing up there just produces all sorts of coaches? I think specifically, you know, I'm from Northeast Ohio, you know, the Cleveland area right along Lake Erie.

So Northeast Ohio, you know, that that's just football is king there. And I think that, you know, I was fortunate, one of my high school coaches, Bob Ritley, he played at Michigan for Bo Schembeckler. And so I had a really, you know, formative high school experience playing for a high school legend who, you know, he's in the Hall of Fame there. And so I learned a lot of good football at a young age. And I just think that that area just has expressed itself at all levels of football. And I think, you know, guys that I coached at John Carroll, now our high school coaches,

you know, back in, you know, the state of Ohio in Cleveland, you know, one of my former players Marty Gibbons, he actually announced the Brown second round pick at the draft. Gibby, I mean, he's a captain, he's a safety for me. I was kind of bummed out. I wanted him to, you know, announce the Chargers pick, not the Browns pick. So, you know, just it's one of those special places where football is king. You know, I was fortunate to grow up there. What do you do in interviews that make it that people just have to hire you?

Because you now, you know, you were kind of a hire from Sean McVeigh that people didn't expect when you went and were the defensive coordinator for the Rams last year. Then this year you get hired by the Chargers. Everyone's thinking Justin Herbert, they're going to go offensive guy. They got to find, you know, find a way to push him to the limit and then they hire you. So what's your secret? Do you have an Excel or something? What are you doing in closed doors in these interviews that's impressing everyone?

Yeah, I just think being a complete coach, I think that's something that I've always tried to be as a, you know, a complete coach, a guy who has command all three phases of the game. A guy who can, you know, lead, teach, you know, inspire, you know, a guy that has command over not just, you know, the football side of things, but, you know, just from like a management perspective, personnel, sports performance, you know, there's so many components to being a head football coach. And I feel like, you know, I've kind of invested my life in and sort of knowing that, you know,

and I think that it's not just being a defensive coach, you know, I played quarterback in college. It's, hey, my offensive background is a big reason why I'm here today. And then knowing that the kicking game is one of the most important aspects of winning and losing, you know, an NFL football game and how you have to build a team that can stand the test of time and how do you put that team together, you know, and then, you know, then how can you teach, how can you motivate, how can you inspire, do you have the pulse of your team, how do you do that, you got to know that, you know, coaching an offensive lineman in his 12th year is not the same coaching an offensive lineman in

his first year. And, you know, I think that what I've tried to be as a complete coach, learn as much as I can about the game and then also know that I don't know it all guys, you know, I don't know it all and being willing to, you know, try to, you know, surround myself with really special people that can help fill in the gaps and, you know, also being a good listener, you know, I think that, you know, a big reason why I'm here is I've been fortunate to coach a lot of special players. You guys know in Chicago, you know, I was there with Khalil Mack, you know, Akeem Hicks,

Kyle Fuller, all these guys are Roquan Smith, Leonard Floyd, all those guys I was with at the beginning of my NFL career, they've helped shape me, you know, to this spot. I learned a lot from Khalil. I learned a lot from Vaughn Miller. I learned a lot from Jalen Ramsey and Aaron Donald and hopefully, you know, you know, those guys have really helped shape my game and hopefully I've been able to help their game and I think the other thing guys is we've been, we've been really good where I've been, you know, and that's what it takes to is you got to produce and this is a performance

league and you guys mentioned I've been around so many great coaches and players that have helped me get here. The answer, by the way, was the kicking game part. Any coach that's like, hey, three phases, higher, higher, we forget that. Do you call special teams, we fence too? Yeah, it certainly is that it's where everybody joins up together. That's why it's such a special phase is that, you know, like I'm in these meetings in the morning now, guys, and it's such a great opportunity to talk to a running back, you know, and like,

hey, guys, why is the punt the most challenging play in football? Yeah. Why, why is that? Well, I'll tell you why, because it's the only play in football where you start out as an offensive player and then you become a defensive player. You have to block and be, you know, responsible for all the protection phase from a schematic standpoint and then you have to go cover the kick and become a defensive player. So, you know, and the people that take a lot of pride in that and get the right people

in the right seats and understanding how you bring people together. You know, I think that there's there's an art in that. I like that. Yeah. Or if James Winston's your quarterback, then he's essentially like a special teams player at times. Now, that's actually a good thing that you just did, like being so passionate about special teams, because as a as a first year head coach, you're going to get a lot of reporters

trying to grill you after games. And one of the best ways that you can kind of just get them off your case a little bit is just pick like one guy on like the kick coverage team and talk in minute detail about how he performed his job. And then all the reporters be like, this guy's a football genius. We love him. That's certainly one tactic that could work. I'm going to, I mean, you have to, you know, activate that.

Thank you for I'm obviously I'm learning something from you guys. Well, I was going to say, how are you with time out? Are you ready for that? Because that just so you know, as fans, that's the number one thing that we get to complain about because it's the one thing that we can confidently say we're better at than the coaches, even though that's not true. Even that fact isn't true. But how are you like, how would you grade your own time out ability right now before

the first season of your head coaching career? Well, I certainly know how many you get, you know, and regulation and then overtime. So that's a good place to start. Certainly, I think the time out part of the game, there's so many components to who is responsible for that decision. I think it's a team effort and talk, you know, making sure that, hey, you know how it is on offense sometimes where you may have to take one, you know, late in the play clock, you know, where it helps you, you know, to take a time out or, hey, man, this, this could

be a time where, hey, I can be a sounding board for Joe and Justin say, hey, it's better to take the delay here. You know, it's better to take the delay. And you know, hey, we'll live with, we'll live with the result of third down or whatever the case may be. And then, you know, guys, I think what you guys are probably understanding, you know, last five to seven years is your analytics team, you know, understanding time score situation. And it's not just the coaching staff, it's, it's your, your, your analytics team helping

you as well and really form and kind of a central command center where you've got open lines of communication. Because these, you know, I think what's difficult, right, is when you're in the moment, man, things are happening fast and that, that isolated moment, you may, you may not be ready, right? But when you have other people that are helping you, you certainly will be more equipped to make a good decision and I'm, I'm hoping that that'll be a strength of our team. Let me throw one at you real quick. You're down 14.

Okay. There's four minutes left in the game. You score a touchdown. You go for two. We're up by 14. You're down by 14. Oh, we're down by 14. You score a touchdown.

Do you go for two? Four minutes left. Well, the analytics would tell you to do it. There we go. All right. I like you because that's really the only analytics thing I understand. So the only thing I'll, yeah, it's the only thing I'll criticize you about if you do that up.

So just don't screw that one up. Okay. That was, that was kind of a pressure packed moment because I think the one thing that I've learned guys, because I think you got to be open about this. The one thing I've learned is like, Hey, winning the game in regulation, right? You know, because there's that, Hey, play for a tie or Hey, we want to win this game in regulation. I think there's that movement that I think more people are aware of now.

And um, you know, I'm certainly, you know, sort of one of those people that have learned a lot, you know, since I've, well, you can always go for to the second time if you miss it the first. Yes. Right. Yes. That's really high level thinking. That's over here.

Uh, so the whole math, the whole math thing guys, yeah, numbers, quick pop quiz. What's 11 personnel? Oh, wow. That would be so the first digit tells you how many backs are in the game. The second one tells you how many tight ends are in the game. So you know your stuff. Yeah, you do know. I can see.

I want to hire you now. I process of elimination. There's five eligible receivers. Well, all right. Now you get too complicated. Too far, too far, too far. You got to know how to coach the dumb guys. Yeah.

Okay. Have you, have you considered, um, to kind of like get yourself in the right mindset to call the timeouts at the right time, just playing a shitload of mad in this off season. Just like forcing yourself to be in those late game situations. Well, I think gaming is certainly one way of doing it. You know, you see that a lot in like sort of the defense, you know, department, you know, there's sort of those, those simulators, right? They go through.

So, um, I think anything that can give you an advantage. So what we're trying to do here is we're trying to create like the situation room here in the springtime where we kind of, you know, isolate, you know, hey, two minute and a half, right? You know, the clock rules are different, two minute and a game. Well, hey, let's just look at two minute and a half, right? And, uh, you know, what, what's the context plus three minus three? Are we down?

Are we ahead? Are we even? And just going through that a bunch, right? And so, um, putting yourself in that, that mode. And I think as many times as you can go through that, uh, is a positive thing because that's how we want our, our, our environment to be here. I think that's what I've tried to create is that, Hey, we're trying to make as many decisions every day as possible so that, Hey, if it doesn't go well, we can learn from them.

If you create an environment where people aren't like forced to operate like that, then when the game happens, you're not going to be ready. So hopefully it'll express itself in the fall as being, you know, something that works for us. Yeah. So, uh, this, uh, you feel free to get nerdy on this one, football nerdy, but I'm very curious, uh, Vic Fangio, he has been a great defensive coordinator, he's obviously a good coach with the Broncos.

He is, you know, if you read about your rise and how you got linked up with Sean McFay, part of that was the Bears Rams game in 18, when the Bears were able to shut down the Rams and, and Sean looked around and was like, Vic Fangio always gives me the most, uh, trouble. What is it about him as a coach or what does he do differently that he's been able to have so much success, uh, whether it be 49ers, Bears Broncos, you know, defense, when it's such an offensive league now. Yeah. Vic special to me, as you know, we had a great run there in Chicago, uh, and that, that night

that you're referring to, that was a special night. You know, and our guys came to play that night. Uh, and I think a big reason why is cause they were ready to play. We were ready to play. We had a lot of good players, but those, those good players were ready to play. And I think that that's a hallmark of, of Vic Fangio, his preparation, his detail. Um, I think that, uh, number one, he knows how to utilize his personnel wherever it is. You know, it's been a little bit different wherever he's been.

Um, I know that studying him in San Francisco, you know, one of the guys on my staff is a linebacker who actually played for him, Mike Wilhoit. They were a different team in San Francisco than we were when we were in Chicago, you know, and then obviously he's gone to Denver and they're different. When I went to the Rams, we were a little different, but you got to utilize your personnel to the fullest. And then I think the other thing he does is he has a really global view of how to attack an offense.

He knows how offenses operate and he knows what can be challenging for them, both from a blocking standpoint and then from a coverage standpoint. Like what an offense has to block and then what an offense has to see in a coverage system. Um, you know, and I think that we blend a lot of groupings, a lot of different fronts, a lot of different coverage systems, uh, make these quarterbacks have to operate post snap. Um, where they're having to make decisions post snap. It's a little bit blurry. They're not quite sure.

This isn't a black and white team that I'm playing against. This is a team that's all the way in the gray. And that's how we want to play. We want to play in the gray area. I think Vic does a great job of that. And, um, you know, the thing about him is his consistency and performance. He said the test of time in the NFL for 30 years, um, and that's what makes him such a special guy.

Yeah. I have to imagine that, that part of your interview process, um, in that division was talking about how are you going to be the home stopper? How are you going to be able to, to shut this guy down? You have to play him so many times, uh, free piece of advice and make him roll to his left. Right. Mm hmm. Make him roll to his left.

That's what every dumb person on TV says. So that's kind of what pressure. Yeah. Yeah. Make him uncomfortable with a four man rush. Yeah. Russian. Yeah.

If you didn't get a good pass, yeah. Get home with two. That's actually even better. Yeah. So what did you say in the interview to kind of, um, I don't know if you were able to dive into details or, or what have you, but you probably had to have a plan in place for how you were going to, uh, slow down, you know, one of the highest powered offenses that's ever been seen in the NFL.

Yeah. That, you know, that's, uh, that was certainly a component of it. And I think that, you know, the division I just came from, you know, you got to play Russell Wilson three times in a year. Um, you know, you're well aware of him and he's like a magician and, uh, they've got that similar playmaking creativity, uh, the down is never over. Um, you know, he's, you know, he's a champion, you know, Russell. And then, you know, obviously, you know, Kyler Murray, you're in the division with

him and, and then the Niners. So I think that, you know, kind of what I said was, you know, people were saying the same thing when we were in Chicago with Aaron Rodgers, Stafford and Kirk Cousins. You know, back then when I was there with you guys in that city, you know, it was the same thing. It's just, this is the NFL. It's a tough league. You know, it's, it's a really competitive league.

And what I told him in the interview is that it's not going to be a one man ban. Like it's not just the defense that's going to be able to, to help us beat that guy. It's got to be a full team that helps you beat that guy. Like the reality is, is Pat Mahomes has only been held under 24 points like three times in his entire career. So the reality is you better be able to score to beat them. You know? And so it's going to take a team performance to beat a guy like that.

You take a look at what Steph Curry is doing in the NBA. You know what? Like Steph Curry is a tough guy to play against, man. You know, it's, it's, you know, you got to have a team, you know, to beat that guy, not just one side of the ball. So that was a big part of me talking about, you know, those guys, it's just, you know, it's going to take all three phases of the game and, you know, we're going to have to be strategic and specific because we have to play them twice a year, possibly three,

right? And the playoffs. So, you know, it's going to be a, it's going to be an exciting challenge for us. You mentioned Russell Wilson right there, uh, said a little bit because this is a theory I had last year. I think you brought in Blake Bortles to be a scout team, Russell Wilson, ahead of the playoff game. Is that true?

We, we, we brought Blake in and, uh, we also had this other guy named Bryce Perkins, who's a, who's a really good quarterback at Virginia, kind of, we had, we had those two guys working for us. So, um, you know, we had a, uh, we had, we had all hands on deck. No one's ever going to truly represent those guys, uh, but, uh, you know, I think those guys did a good job. What, so last year, going back to last year and how good that Rams defense was, uh, one of the hallmarks that you guys had was just how good you were in the second half.

You guys just shut teams down in the second half. What, like, what does the halftime look like? Are you able to implement that many changes in a halftime situation and, and change? This is a really stupid question, but I'm always thinking like, if you go in and you change a bunch of stuff, but they also change a bunch of stuff, how the fuck are you going to be able to keep ahead of their changes? So explain that to me like I'm a five year old. You make like a really good point there.

And so, and cause there's that, that's a true statement that what you just said. So I think what we do is I think we have enough inventory in our plan, um, that we can get to in the second half. Maybe it hasn't shown itself in the first half, but we can get to it in the second half where it's not something new that we created. It's something new that we've practiced that we're, that we're prepared for that we can activate that maybe they haven't seen, or maybe there's something that happened in the first half where, Hey, they're hurting us doing something.

Maybe it's just, Hey, we've talked through it more and, um, we're just a little bit more certain about how to play it. And, and then I think that the thing that I've tried to do when we go in is get the feedback from the guys, what they're comfortable with. Um, and when you, when you have strong relationships, you can talk through things quickly because what people don't understand guys, when you go in there, it's not like you have all this time to like, you know, big time powwow and like, Hey, you know, fellas, like let's get a coffee, sit down, like have a seat or nice and neat.

Okay. It doesn't really work like that. You have to move quickly. So I think the thing about adjustments guys is that it really reflects the command your coaches and players have with the plan, you know, and, and, and the, and the trust and relationships that you have, um, because that's what adjustments are about to me. Yeah. Yeah.

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All right. So you've probably given it no thought then because we can educate you real quick. Bolt man was the unofficial mascot, the super fan of the San Diego Chargers. He was just a guy that had a giant lightning bolt for a head. No, that's not just what he was. He had a whole, he was immersed. It was like an immersive experience for him where he became a bolt of lightning wearing shoulder pads.

Yes. Unfortunately, he, he is abandoned. He's retired. He's retired himself, but I feel like it would be good for the franchise, for the morale of the franchise as it's re kind of establishing a home there in Los Angeles. If you brought Bolt man back or at least extended an olive branch to him and, and welcome him to the team facility. Yeah.

What's it's pretty much what's your super fan outreach program look like? Yeah. I think the bolt is such a linked like sort of symbol like that thing. I think he's got a lot of weight in terms of, you know, I really think that there's power in that. And you mentioned a key word, which is so crucial to football success, which is morale. You can never have enough of it. So however we can increase our morale, I mean, I'm talking in the most, I mean, the littlest

way possible. We're looking to add that edge. So the mascot could be a huge deal. Yeah. Bolt man, if you're listening, this is now is the time to strike. Yeah. And I don't want, I listen, I'm not trying to tell you what to do. He's not a mascot.

He's a super fan. Big difference. Okay. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he showed up to city hall and tried to keep the team in San Diego. One of the greatest pictures of all time in full bolt man regalia and also mascots get

paid. Yeah. Super fans do it for the love of the game. Right. Right. Volunteer spirit is much different than a mercenary. Yes. Exactly.

Exactly. Have you thought one of my favorite things that happens every year, we haven't had it because of COVID in the last two years, but every year when the NFL coaches go to the owners meeting and they take a picture looking into the sun and I break it down. Have you thought about that picture yet? Because I'm sure you've seen the picture. Have you thought about where you like, cause I can give you some tips like guys will squeeze you out.

There's weird spots that you'd be, whether you wear a sunglasses or not. Have you thought about that? I'm aware of that. Okay. Sort of give you a preview of what could be happening in the draft room. You know, I went with competitive casual attire. Wait, what is that? I love it.

Didn't want to, didn't want to go with the banker attire. So we went competitive casual. Explain competitive casual. Breakdown competitive football coach made up. I don't think that's an actual spot. Yeah. It's actually in the lexicon of game day attire, but just essentially like, Hey, this is like we're a coach.

I want these guys to be able to like look back on their moment and it's like, Hey, that was their coach calling. I'm not some guy that looks like, you know, he runs a hedge fund. So, um, you know, and then from the picture standpoint at the owner's meetings, you know, it's in Arizona from what I understand, like that's where it's been, which from what I understand, Arizona is a very hot place. I don't know if you're going to be seeing like a blazer and, you know, khakis topless. You want to go topless?

That's McVanity. It's out for the boys. Yeah. I don't. Yeah. No, I just think it would be a, you know, my attire will be. You know, indicative of the climate and then my, my, my beautiful bride. Okay.

So don't go Hawaiian shirt. That's all I'm going to say because that's Andy Reed's corner. If you go there, I will absolutely roast you. That's the opposite of being original. Okay. All right. Good. Good.

Good. All right. Another nerdy question for you. So, you know, looking at, you know, you talked about it, Khalil Mack, Aaron Donald, Jaylen Ramsey, let's say Aaron Donald, what does it do for you as a defensive coach when you have a guy like that? Are you truly able to be like, all right, I don't even have to worry. Like he's going to beat whoever's in front of him and everything else like is built off

of that. Or is that something we make up in our own head? For the fans, like, you know, when you have a player of his caliber, Khalil Vaughn, you know, Ramsey, whomever, when you have players of those, uh, those players caliber, it's a really sacred responsibility to get to coach them. Okay. So, you know, the amount of attention every single week that's in the plan for that player. So what we spent a lot of time organizing is how we can isolate this guy in matchups,

spent a lot of time organizing it where as many times as we can, he's playing one, one and a half guys, not two, right. And so the amount of time that we spend thinking about that, both in the run game and in pass rush, uh, you know, we spent a lot of time on that because he's going to play well regardless, like you guys are saying, but it's how well, you know, what we want to do is we want those premium players to play their best for us, you know, and I feel like that's something that we've been able to do with guys like that, you know, Khalil, AD, you know, you know, AD was defensive player of the year, Khalil, I think, you know, the year we were

together guys and 18 probably would have been the player of the year. He had, he had not missed those two games and then Ramsey was first team all pro last year and had his best year. So when you join up with those guys, a lot of it is collaborating with those guys, hey, this is where we're trying to go with you. Can you see it? Do you like that? Are you comfortable with that?

And so given them that thought process so, so that they can go full speed ahead and do what they do, but no, and hey, man, these guys have a plan for me. They're not just like telling me to go out there and wing it and go ball, like these guys really are trying to help my game out. So I feel like that's what we've done and the players like that, you know, it makes sense to them right away, how you're trying to use them because they know where the production is in this league and when they get those ops. And so that's what we've tried to do with those guys.

That's an interesting answer because it kind of is the opposite of what we as fans always think. Like, oh, you can just let Aaron Donald go out there and ball. You're saying essentially, like we, we are actively trying to always get him into matchups where he can ball to that extra level. Even though he's that good, you are, you are like, like, let's get you on these one-on-ones constantly so that you will always get home. That's interesting.

And then the other thing I think, you know, the other thing that we opened up those guys' eyes is like, Hey, listen, what Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey did for the other guys, the other nine guys on the field. Like if you look at the Rams this year, everybody was playing at a high level. You guys know Leonard Floyd. I mean, just signed a huge deal, John Johnson, Morgan Fox, guys that people haven't even heard of, undrafted guys, Darius Williams, Troy Hill, you know, Micah Kaiser, Troy Reader.

You know, we had a lot of guys playing rookies, you know, and so, Hey, Aaron, Jalen, you can also open up all these ops for other people because ultimately we want to play team defense. We want to play team ball and to be the very best, which we were this year, it's got to take everybody. It's not just AD, right? And when we were in Chicago, it wasn't just Khalil. It was all those guys, right? You know, it was Kyle, Raquan, Leonard, you know, Eddie.

I mean, it was all those guys balling. So that's what you're trying to do when you're coaching the guys like that. What about on the other side of it? Is there a player in the NFL? Like we always hear defensive coordinators be like, this guy keeps me up at night. Is there, have you actually ever been kept up at night thinking about an opponent's defensive player? No, a defensive player, an offensive player.

Let's say defensive player, because that's what you always hear about. Like this guy keeps me up at night trying to figure out how to manage him. Yeah. I mean, there are, I mean, and that game within the game is real fellas. I mean, just talk to like, you know, like what's been awesome here being the head coach is you're in these meetings with Corey Linsley and Brian Balaga and Ode Abushi, Matt Fowler, these guys that had to block all these like really good players, you know, and, and so you get this other, this rich perspective, right?

And so, yeah, there's definitely a bunch of guys that you can say, I like, I'm a little careful about just, you know, throwing out one name because then it's like, man, there's just so many other guys, you know, but like it's, I think that what makes it special for the fans is you know who those premium players are and that's why they get paid so much and that's why people want to watch them. So yeah, good answer. That was smart. Good answer.

You're smart. Yeah. You're smart. You could have gassed one guy up at what cost. I don't want to do that because I got too much. There's too many guys I got respect for, you know, like that's such a delicate place to be. I think that you are, you're instantly one of the bigger football guys in the NFL as

far as head coaches go. Just the fact that you dropped, it was a competitive casual. You've said the word opportunity several times ops. I like that. I feel like we're going in a good direction here in LA. You came from obviously like, you can call it like a mini cradle of coaches, Sean McVeigh's staff. It seems like somebody gets hired from there like every other year.

Does he ever wear a shirt or is that just on game day? Is that competitive casual for him? He's just like hang out shirtless. Yeah. Everyone's given Sean a good tough time and the guy's in shape man. He works out. You know, the guy. So, I mean, shoot.

But yeah, I mean, like besides being an amazing coach, I do think he has a fresh sense of what to wear and how to wear it. So I think that's always been a winning edge of his. We like to make fun of Sean because we know him a little bit. We've had him on a couple of times. We've, you know, run into him a few times at the combine and he did say, like, why you guys give me a hard time about my facial hair all the time. So once he said that, it was like, well, that was a mistake, Sean, because now we're going

to do it all the time. Oh, we're coming. Yeah. Right. You just gave us the playbook. I'm sorry. I think it's more like he saw how bad my facial hair was and he's like, this is the guy that's been making fun of my facial hair the whole time.

That is true. I saw a quote that you had when you first met Justin Herbert, you said he's one of the guys. I think that's the best compliment you can give a QB. I love that. So have you talked to him about his hair though? Is he going to grow it out or is he going to keep it high and tight because we've come across a little bit of a theory that no long hair quarterback has ever won a Super Bowl.

So you might want to just get in front of that like right away. I don't know. Tom Brady's got pretty, you know, he's gone long. Not when he won. That was when he was 17 and over 19 and over or 18 and one talking about actually at the game. At the game. Kenny Stabler is pretty much the only one.

Yeah. Yeah. That's separate. Well, do you want to go to the game or you want to win it? Coach? I mean, we all know the answer to that. Yeah. Then he called me coach.

Yeah. I like this guy is that your hair is a tremendous asset. Okay. And the fact that you can do either as like does make you special because all great actors change their look. Yeah. All great actors change their look. So I was like the fact that you, you know, you have the hair and then you know that you

can go the other way too. I was like, Hey, it's a great advantage. I think, I think, I think you're aware now of how people feel about it. I do think you're aware of how people feel about it. But the good thing that is refreshing about him is that he does not take himself too seriously. So I think that when I said he's one of the guys, I think that's also an element. You got to be able to take it sometimes and just, you know, just put that smile on, shake your head and be like, Yep.

Yeah. You know, we'll keep it moving. I love that. You can always take away hair if you want, but you can never just like straight up add it on. But on the other hand, you can get tackled by your long hair and it's completely legal. So it's kind of an advance for the defense. It is.

That's a fact. Yeah. I'm curious how you got into coaching defense to begin with because as we mentioned earlier, you were quarterback at Dayton. You came from an offensive background. I looked up some of your stats. You were a dual threat guy. You were pretty quick out there.

So how did you decide that you were going to end up on the defense side of the ball? The coach who hired me into football, a guy named Joe Novak. He's the guy who kind of built Northern Illinois University. He was the guy kind of at the beginning of that and coach Novak is a huge mentor for me. He really liked and he's a Northeast Ohio guy as well. But he liked the fact of taking a quarterback, you know, to coach the defensive scout team. You're used to being in the huddle, you know, and taking that lens and being able to kind

of operate the huddle that way. And so he kind of had that vision for how he wanted, you know, the defensive GA to be is a guy that, hey, can make this clean operation so that we can run more plays, you know, and then he felt like, hey, a quarterback is usually responsible for 22 guys on the field. It could be a really easy adjustment going to the other side. You got this perspective. And so, you know, I just said, yes, sir, and got to work. He's a guy that sort of had that vision for me and gave me that first opportunity and just

never looked back from it. Dumb question. Do you get to decide what colors you wear every single Sunday? I think I'm a part of that movie. Yeah. Okay. I'm a part of the production of that movie. So all right.

So then the follow up is what's our strategy for the powder blues? Are we doing it only in special occasions? Are we doing it maybe getting on a run? They're the, I think most people would agree, probably the best uniforms in all sports. You guys just had new uniforms released, but that is going to be a very interesting thing. Probably the most challenging thing you'll have to tackle as a head coach. When do you bring out the powder blues and how long do you keep them out? Well, just really excited to have the powder blues because it's, you know, the brand, right,

is a big deal. And our team has certainly killed that aspect of it. As you guys know, our digital media team is awesome here too. So I think having a relationship with our guys is also very important. You know, what, where are they comfortable? I think, you know, variety is the spice of life. I do think that we have that variety, but you always want to have that staple. All right.

Got to have it sort of uni. And I'm glad to say that the powder blues are a big part of it. It's an opportunity. Having the powder blues is a massive opportunity that you got in your pocket. Other teams don't have. Yeah. So you got to take advantage of it. What about, what about your personal game day attire?

I'm guessing it's probably competitive casual. But do you have, have you figured out where you're keeping the challenge flag? Because now that's a very, it's an important item that you have to be a steward of almost. And you don't, as a first time head coach, like you have to have that stuff thought through like front pocket, back pocket, et cetera. That's right. Probably back pocket guys. Not going to be the sock for sure.

Maybe back pocket because you have the, you know, the walkie talkie thing that you want to have in the front. And then so probably back pocket. So hey man. Yeah. Smart. All right. Since we're at the stupid portion of this interview, I'm trying to get better as a gambler.

I'm not going to ask you any questions about points, spreads or anything, but I am going to ask you, do you own anything that could smash a watermelon or do you ever plan on smashing a watermelon before a game? Second part of that question. No. Can't see that. Okay. All right.

That's actually all I need. That's all I need because Mike McCarthy did that to me twice last year. He smashed a watermelon in front of his team and they won both the games and I bet against them not knowing that. So I'm just doing kind of a straw poll anytime we get in touch with a head coach. I'm just going to have a sheet that's like, Hey, this guy's going to smash a watermelon. Never going to smash a watermelon. I'm going to put you in never smash a watermelon.

I think that's safe to say. Okay. And if you do, I'm going to be really mad. I'll be totally honest with you. If I find out you smashed a watermelon before a game, I'm going to be pissed. I mean, really pissed. What you got to do at this point now is after a big win, where you cover a spread, you have to just say that you smashed a watermelon after just the mess of the big cat.

Like it would be, it would honestly make my year. It would, it would melt me. It would melt me. I will tell you, there's nothing better than watching you guys at the end of the game when something's on the line. These videos, I mean, you know, just, I mean, the, the amount of emotion, I feel like I'm there. I mean, I truly feel like I'm there and you guys are crushing it as it relates to that.

I appreciate that. And I guess that's, March madness in particular. Yeah. That's such a key. I mean, Catch. Yeah.

All right. That's a perfect segue to my last question. Cause I have to ask it. Cause if I don't ask it, everyone's going to be like, why didn't Jess is obviously you're on the sideline for a Cody Parkie. What was that like afterwards? Oh guys, man, it sucked for me. The hardest part is I think looking at a guy like Khalil Mack in the face and you know,

like we felt like we had certainly the defense that could go on, you know, a run. I mean, and I think the toughest thing is seeing those competitors, you know, the guys like him, you know, that, uh, man, just that heartbreak that, that's a part of sports. Right. It's just, that's, you know, that's what we sign up for is, is sometimes it doesn't go down for you. So I think that's the moment that stands out to me, the most fellas, because I remember when it went down, just looking at him and, uh, man, what a great run, but it's like,

for him, you just, you, you wanted it so bad, you know, and, uh, this year you guys saw probably Aaron Donald, uh, after we lost to Green Bay, you just, you guys don't realize how much it means to these guys. And, um, you know, I think that's probably what I'll remember the most, but at the same time you go in the locker room guys, and that's the bittersweet part for fans is when you go in there in the locker room, um, then you're, it's that bittersweet part of it, knowing that, Hey, we had a special run and, um, you're really proud of everything that happened. Yeah.

Yeah. That's a good answer. Yeah. You don't want to feel like you let a guy like that down. Definitely. Uh, my last question is just, do you get recognized in Los Angeles? Are you, are you a star now? I mean, guys, when I say no, not even a little bit, like I might as well be, I mean, there's

probably a lot of, you know, analogies or metaphors I could use, but no, the answer is no. And that's, you know, I'm, I'm excited about that. Okay. So, all right. So we're going to just throw a challenge to our listeners. If you do see coach Staley out there, just go up to him and be like, love John PMT so that we can get you recognized for that at least.

That's fair. Right. Could be. I'll give you some feedback. I'm, that aspect of it, I seriously won't, me and Josh will get back to you on that. Perfect. I love it. Because that, that's always our, that's like the highest compliment we ever get is when

a guest is like, yeah, I get stopped and people like mentioned PMT and that we're like, that's perfect. That's our best marketing out there. No doubt. It's like the, it's like the pizza review deal. Like, yeah. I mean, I mean, like I actually, one of my relatives down in South Florida was just watching this guy and like went to that pizza shop.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. What you guys are doing for people. It's awesome. Yeah. We're going to get you noticed. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know if that's the same thing. I don't know if we want to do that. No, it is. The exact same thing. Get coach noticed. You're going to, you're going to address saying this because now people, actually people just go up to like any white guy with short dark hair wearing charges, wearing charges

here and be like, are you coached? Yeah. Love John PMT. See, that would be the greater question is how many they get wrong. Yes. You know, like that, that would be the more interesting data. Yes. Okay.

Well, coach, this has been awesome. Best of luck and you're a recurring guest now. So we look forward to maybe talking to you in the future and thanks so much for your time. Good luck. Big fans, guys. Thanks so much for having me. Coach Staley was brought to you by our friends over at MVMT.

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And we're ripping packs, by the way. Oh, by the way. Yeah, they're looking at this all day. Can I rip mine first? Yeah, yeah. So the, um, so obviously the football guy term that we're going to be going now with is, what was it? Competitive casual.

Competitive casual, which is when you, and I was talking to a friend of ours who used to play for a team that coach Staley coached on. It's pretty easy to figure out. I'm lost. He says a huge jumpsuit guy. So that's competitive casual. Yeah, competitive casual at all times.

I love, I just love the term competitive casual. Yeah. Because it implies that like you, yeah, you're dressed, you could go to work, but you could also get into a fight with somebody on the street at any given time. It's like hardcore leisure. Yeah, hardcore. It's, uh, it's khakis, but they've got two folds in them

from carrying your tens of two around. Yeah, I don't even know. I think you might not even have to do it khakis. I think it might just be the type of, it might be sweatpants with a zipper on it. That might be competitive casual. Joggers with a holster on the side. Yeah, or like the joggers that are like,

you know, at the bottom, they have the rubber band that actually makes it like, so it doesn't just flop everywhere. That's competitive casual. That's all you need. Yeah. Bulletproof rompems. Yes, there we go.

It's a rompem, but it's got the plate carrier in the front. Competitive casual. All right, you're, you're, you're ripping? Are we ripping? Are we ripping packs? I'm ripping. I've got an all trash.

I've got an RJ Barrett, a red one. All right, so we're looking for a signature. There's one signature in this pack. Ooh, CJ McCollum. Ooh, nice. Ricky Rubio, Tyrell Terry, Cam Reddish. One here, Nengodez. This is, this is great.

This is great. Terrain Prince. People are like, damn this. Ooh, oh, I got, I got Big Cat's favorite player on a sweet red card, Chris Paul. Ooh, nice. Chris Paul, number 93. We don't respect him enough.

Oh, Hank, I got a fearless Kevin Garnett, Timberwolves. I got a downtown Kimba Walker. Cam Johnson, Rudy Gay. Rudy Gay's still in the league? Wow. I got our boy RJ Hampton. Nice. Ooh, I got an Allen Iverson.

Wait, you guys aren't going to believe this. No. I got Mellow. This is wild. You got Lamella? Carmella. Oh, that is wild. And you went to Syracuse, and he went to Syracuse.

Shake Milton, 131. All right, that was terrible radio. But yeah, my firefighters. Yeah, I still have another pack. I broke my foot playing ping pong. And I don't know if I'm ever going to be 100%. It's pretty much broken foot? Worst injury in baseball?

It's, it's dropping right now. I'm sitting here. I've been, you know, trying not to make noises in whimper, but I can feel it. I don't know if I'm going to be able to take my foot off because it's so swollen. Do you think it's Jones Fracture? Yeah, I'm going to have to go to the doctor tomorrow, I think.

I got a good thing to do. Maybe even the ER. Wait, this is the signed one. What is it, Hampton? Oh, hell yeah. Are you a Hampton? Hell yeah. Dude, congrats on that thing.

I got a Seth Curry prism. I think they're all prisms. Yeah, Patrick Beverly. He's good. Oh, Blake, Pistons. Let's go. Let's put this up somewhere. We'll put this right here.

A Tyler Bay rookie card. Blake Griffin, Pistons, ever heard of him? One of our best friends? Genus. I got a genus at Antotoc. No, trash, trash, trash, trash. Oh, big ass. Can you please stop doing this?

This will make it all worthwhile. Big Cat, we don't say this enough, but I love you. And as a present for being here today, I have a Lou Dort card for you. Oh, fuck yes. That's the nicest thing anyone's given to me. Thank you, PFT. You're welcome.

Wow. Big Cat gave me a deli area. I did give you and a caruso. And a caruso. I was just giving, and a JJ Borre. I was just handing PFT all the way, guys. We're sorry, guys. I got a Kevin Herter for you.

We were in a meeting with the guy from Golden, was it Golden Auctions? Yeah. And he was probably very confused, because Big Cat was just literally handing me white players the entire time. He's like, here we go, PFT. You love this guy.

All right, what was your fire fest? Oh, you broke your foot. I broke my foot. Yeah, you broke your foot. Pretty much. I think fully. Have you tried drinking smart water? No.

Or the Russell Wilson concussion water? I think I was going to keep my shoe on tight, really tight. That's all you got to do. That's honestly, if you never take your shoe off, you will not have a sprained ankle. I've definitely learned that from playing basketball. You guys got to ask him how he broke his foot. How'd you break your foot?

Because it wasn't from the ping pong. Wait, first of all, will you ever be 100% again? I don't think so. OK. And how did you break your foot? I kicked a cooler. And why? You know how it goes.

Who were you playing? It doesn't matter. That's irrelevant to the story. That has nothing to do with my fire fest. My fire fest just felt my foot. Were you excited? And you were happy? Something like that.

Yeah, I was definitely worked up. Yeah, sure. I won't say the guy's name, but this injury, like kicking a cooler and hurting your foot, is a very somebody type of injury to have happen to them. We've got two names we don't say right now. So you decide listeners. Well, it's pretty obvious, because.

I actually am confused myself. So I don't know how obvious it is. Well, it could be there's a nerd and a jock version of two names we're not saying. Got it. Voldemort. And both could kick the reason I'm here. Correct.

That's true. Yeah. Well, and we have both ways. The reason why we love you and the reason why you're here. This is. Heck, this is now the worst. I remember we just ripped cards and then just. That's a good one.

Jokes. You know, inside jokes that we don't even understand inside this room right now. You know what this is. So this is actually great advertisement for the YouTube channel. Yeah. Hearing us open packs of cards sucks ass.

And I'm sorry that you had to sit through that. But you know, it kicks ass is watching somebody else open packs. So someone hit me up on Twitter and said that we gained 4,000 followers on after we talked about the YouTube channel on Tuesday. And if at that pace, we would hit 500,000 by July 13. I don't think we'll hit that pace because that's a lot of

people every single day. But the listeners don't have it in them. Yeah, they don't have it in them. We're not going to hit 500,000. We're not going to be able to do the live stream. They're listeners. They're not watching. It's too bad.

August 15th, 500,000 by August 15th, we will start doing different content that we could put up on the YouTube that won't be part of this podcast. So you might as well subscribe. We'll hold that when it happens. How much does it cost? It costs $5 to Colin Cowherd. It doesn't cost anything.

It's free. It costs. It's free. It's free. But why won't we want to get money from this? Because then on the YouTube channel, we can sell Dick Swipes. Got it.

OK. So it costs $0. Get that Dick Swipe bag. It costs $0. All right. PFT, your firefest. My firefest of the week is, well, I've got two. I'll just say, I'll get in front of it.

I am starting. Where did that come out of? I was just unnecessary, Hank. I was telling you. I hope you have to get your foot amputated. Yeah, I hope it's real bad. I hope it gets infected like Jack Daniels when he kicked his safe and he died afterwards.

I'd be dying. Now steal all your cards and your dog. Hank, I also hope you die. OK. This has gone too far. Yeah. Well, you didn't let me finish. I was going to say, but it's not you.

It's Andrew Cisleano. I'm not even going to argue because I know how this goes every time. Honestly, that 5-6 comment was more applicable to Cisleano. But also, it was Chuggy as hell. Oh, I think it was Chug vibes. No, I think that wasn't trying too hard at all. That was true.

OK. It was very chill. 5-6. So what's your? People are genuinely confused when they see me and I'm not 5-6. Because you're 5-5? Yeah.

I thought you'd be taller. What's your? My 5-6 is I'm starting to get Team Destiny vibes from the Washington Cap. Because Cap's back. Two very. That was a highlight. That was a championship DVD starting game last night.

The boys. It was. The championship DVD would start and the puck has dropped and everyone's fighting. Everybody was in the box last night. It was like a sick bar that you're now allowed to go back to in New York. It was awesome being at that game,

watching the guys just enjoy fighting other people. It got me going. And then TJ Oshie scored a hat trick on the day that his dad passed away. I don't know if I've ever told this story. I definitely haven't said it on the podcast. But the night that they won the Stanley Cup, it was the night that TJ, he was on the ice with his dad

and he gave that quote about my dad doesn't really remember anything anymore. But I know that he's going to remember this. Because it was a magical moment. He woke up the next morning remembering it. But he got on the same elevator I was in, in one of the casinos. TJ Oshie?

TJ Oshie did. Nice. And right after the cup, he had tears coming out of his eyes. He was crying. But he had the biggest smile on his face at the exact same time. And I just thought to myself, that is a drug that will never be replicated.

If you're just experiencing all your emotions at once. Yes. So I've loved the guy ever since and loved him before that. But Captain America. Captain America. I'm starting to get Team of Destiny vibes. OK. And Cap's back.

Put a little tickler file on it. I like it. I like the call. Dan Orlovsky dropped the hottest cap of the year on us. Yeah, that's got to be the end of that. Well, once you got cool guys like Dan Orlovsky and Dave Portnoy getting on the cap frame. I was about to say that.

Dave's talking about it on BFFs, really. We're back, baby. At least you were like a week early. I was like a month early, at least. And now I got to start thinking about another phrase. I'm thinking, now that's paper. I tried to bring back, now that's paper a while ago. But I feel like the time's right.

Do you go with bet? I like bet. Too soon now, dude. When someone says, oh, I'll meet you there. Bet. Bet. Look at his split. I like that.

I like bet. Bet. OK, I'll do that. Bet always sounds cool when someone says that, like, oh, yeah, let's meet at 1 o'clock, like bet. I'll try to work one bet and one, now that's paper, into next week's podcast. And we'll see which one sounds worse.

And then I'll go with that one. What about on dogs? Oh, on dogs? On dogs. What are you talking about? What's the one I'm going to start doing? What did you guys tell me I had to start doing? Big ops?

Yeah, what about one love? No, I think on dogs, on dogs would play. Like, it's like for real, like on dogs, on dead dogs. Shut the fuck up. On dogs. Damn. I don't like where this podcast is going. It's a good phrase, on dogs.

Damn. All right, my firefest is, I now am, like, laughing at, like, the dad humor. Do you see that guy went viral for his press conference? He's coming, actually, like Joey's Moulinaros, which are always funny videos, but talking about, like, a press conference after dealing with his kid all day. And I thought it was the funniest thing ever.

What'd he say? Well, especially when he's like, yeah, you know, we went with a snack 30 minutes before dinner, and then all he had was three bites. So that's on me. And I was like, yep. Didn't hurt on that. I always try to go chips hard.

And then someone asked, like, is that talking about you or your son? I was like, dude, do you think that I've ever had a snack slow down my dinner? You're fully into dad life now. Yeah, I mean, it's OK. We got to get you on those commercials where you go to the hardware store with the dad coach.

I'm ready for it, except no, fuck that. Have you had any reflection on your snow death? I saw there was a lot of confusion over those. No, because I loved snow days as a kid. I was giving a zag. I said it beforehand. I was giving a zag. I was giving an alternate counterpoint for discussion.

You were playing devil's advocate. And it was distilled into this, I hate snow days. And then whatever, what can you do? I'm sorry I hate snow days. Once it takes course, you just don't think you can do. Yeah, if the cat's out of the bag. Yeah. What are you going to do?

And then Billy came. Oh, I can't say his name. Oh, he valiantly came out to work working less, and I couldn't believe it. I've noticed that Billy is going out of his. I just said it again. Don't say it again. I've noticed he's going out of his way

to let us know that he's now listening to the show. He's definitely looking for extra credit. Extra credit given. There it is. Boom. Liam, do you have a firefest before Jake does his? Then we wrap up? I actually do.

I threw up yesterday morning. And are you pregnant? No, just from like sinuses or something. What? It was like it wasn't even like a food throw up. It was just like I woke up yesterday morning and just like immediately it was like, I feel like I have to throw up.

Dude, are allergies really bad right now, Jake? Allergies are back big time. OK, because I actually. Mine are much worse in Florida than here. I had, I sneezed like four times in like three consecutive days. And I thought I had allergies. And I remember I'm just an outflow. I always have the tech on me if you need.

It's always my. No, I said fuck no to it and now I'm cured. But it felt like allergies. What it would feel like. It's bad though, the pollen's out there. I think it's just always good to have something in your back pocket that you can blame anything that goes wrong on. Well, that's why I lie and I say that I have allergies.

Because if there's anything that's like that's remotely wrong with my day, it's the pollen. Right. That's how the whole office got coronavirus. That time you came in and said it was out. I came in and it was just because I had been next. I stood next to a tree for two minutes. And the next thing you know, everybody was dead.

Yeah. All right, Jake. Yeah. I was about three inches away from getting my head cracked open that I. In the school room. The rock, paper, scissors table. But you but you didn't.

Yeah. But the thought of it was scary. And it's enough for a fire fast. So now you're thinking like this whole time, what if I'm actually dead right now? I could be in the. All right. By the time.

Yeah. You're going to start appreciating life more. Yeah. It's like in Fight Club. Your next meal will taste better. Did you watch Fight Club last night? I went to the Rangers Capitals game. That's true.

You did. The table shoddered and it was very close. Whoa. I'm OK. You got a pretty much broken skull. Yeah. You could be dead. Oh, Zertek commercial.

What are the odds? How many times have you watched it back and been like, damn, I almost died there? Damn, look, look how close I came to dying. Yeah. All right. That is our show. Also, quick shout out.

Our good friend, Sam Schwartzstein, works with Rachel, who's a big AWL, who's going through chemo and is just working her ass off still too. So she gets a shout out. Shout out, Rachel. Shout out, Rachel. Fuck cancer up. Everything.

Yeah. And also, maybe you don't have to work all the time. I'm going to give you a day off. OK. Boom, Rachel, you get a day off. There it was. All right, numbers. 42.

8. Jackie Robinson. 18. Wait, 8. We just go with 23. 81. Hernandez. Oh.

What was that? I can't see it. Show yourself. 47. Fuck. We've had that before. OK. It's not our first time.

Chris Cooley. See everyone on Monday. Mounds are blue. Parrots will selflessly help each other out. Love you guys. Great fact. Actually, oh, by the way, Jake, I want you to start giving us big J-facts.

Like facts about journalists. OK. OK. Yeah. That'll be good. Plus the animal or this? No. Have one of each ready.

Yeah, you got it. Dealers' choice. Love you guys. Talking away. The one of what I'm to say I'm saying anyway. Today is another day to find you, shine it away. I'll be coming for your love, OK? Shine it away.

I'll be coming for your love, OK? Take on me. Take me on. I'll be gone. I'll be coming for your love, OK? Needless to say, I'm on the sentence. But I'll be coming for your love, OK? So that life is OK.

Say after me, it's no better to be safe than sorry. Say after me, it's no better to be safe than sorry. Take on me. Take me on. I'll be gone in a day or two. All the things that you say, yeah, isn't like hope, just to play no worries away. All the things I've got to remember, shine it away.

I'll be coming for your love, shine it away. I'll be coming for you anyway. Take on me. Take me on. I'll be gone in a day. I'll be gone in a day.