Pardon My Take - Chargers TE Hunter Henry, Documentarian Gotham Chopra And Fyre Fest of Their Week

Episode Date: August 7, 2020

Football stories are starting to happen and Jon Gruden faked Coronavirus. Mike Tomlin quotes and Harbaugh pissed off Ohio State again (2:52 - 15:35). Playoff Hockey, NBA and gambling heaven (15:35 - 21:47). Charger TE Hunter Henry joins the show to talk about his career, playing with Phil Rivers, always being down late in the 4th, and the miraculous lateral play at Arkansas (21:47 - 50:53). Documentarian Gotham Chopra joins the show to talk about working with Tom Brady, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James and some of the greatest athletes of all time as well as where Documentaries are going in 2020 (50:53 - 81:25). Segments include reading Billy's sheet and Fyre Fest of the week.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

Hey, pardon my take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. On today's pardon my take, we got a twofer Friday, we got Hunter Henry from the San Diego Chargers, and then Gotham Chopra, a very interesting interview with him. He has done documentaries with some of the greatest athletes of all time, Tom Brady, LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Cricket Guy, Kelly Slater, all of them. You name it.

You name it. He has done it. So, very interesting interview talking about what makes these guys great, and it's going to be a great show because it is a Friday. We also have a little football talk. Football was supposed to be back tonight, but that's okay. That's okay. We're going to talk a little NBA, a little hockey, fire fest.

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Haha. It was awesome. All the time. Psyche. All time football guy move. John Gruden, uh, expect the unexpected guys and he holds a Zoom meeting and he has, I think it was a special teams coach announces at the start, Coach Gruden is in the hospital, he's dealing with coronavirus and all his players are like, Oh my God, what the fuck?

And then they're like, God, just kidding. Gotcha. Not, but take this seriously. Yes. Let's all learn a lesson from this. And when that lesson sunk in. Yeah. Your first clue that John Gruden was not in the hospital for coronavirus is that I don't

think John Gruden would ever go to a hospital. No. For anything. No. If he had coronavirus, he would just stand out like in the sun naked and just stare up at it until he felt better or he just died. Or he would, I actually wouldn't be shocked if John Gruden like went back in time to like the 1920s and had a doctor on call who came to his house and was like, here, here you

go doc. He, yeah, John Gruden, we either do what you just said and be like, I'm going to outfit or he would lay down in his bed and be like, this is my final resting place. Please get my papers in order. He'd lay down at the 50 yard line and then have, have Mark Davis walk out there with that black leather suitcase that old timey doctors use to carry with the giant metal reflecting thing, the circular thing on his head. Walk out there, take his vitals, pronounce him dead, bury him at midfield in Las Vegas.

I think that would be a fitting, a fitting into Mr. Gruden. What this does tell me though is that John Gruden thinks there is 0.0% chance that he actually ever does get coronavirus because if you fake you have coronavirus, yeah, people are going to bash you and make fun of you when you actually do get coronavirus. But John Gruden's like, no, I feel confident that I will never get coronavirus. The football guy who cried wolf is what it was turned into. Yeah. I think, you know, it would actually be very funny though if they had done it a little

bit different and had Mark Davis host the zoom meeting. You remember how Al Davis treated Lane Kiffin when he was fired? Have Mark Davis like an overhead projector giving details about here's how you can protect yourself from the virus moving forward. But yeah, I, it was an all time football guy move for him to be like, let's learn a lesson from me pretending that I'm sick. The unexpected. I was thinking about that in terms of coaches that catch it.

Can coaches opt out of this year too? Ooh, because I have a theory. Well, I have a big time stay woke theory. Okay. Before you give me your theory, there, this isn't an opt out. It's actually an opt in, but the bulls, the reports I Chicago, the bulls are going to keep Jim Boilin because of the financial strain of coronavirus. So he's kind of benefiting from coronavirus diverse, reverse way.

What they don't want to pay him severance. Is that what they don't want to have to pay him to leave when there might not be fans next year's game. So a really smart thinking, you know, get ahead of it. Yeah, the shitty coach have a team be terrible for the short term. So you don't lose, I don't know, like a couple of million. You could pay Jim Boilin with like a couple of basketballs and a new pair of Nikes. He'd be like, thanks for the honor.

Yeah, I appreciate it. It's good having a job. Yeah. Here's a hard hat with a bull's logo on it. So my big time stay woke on this is that Bill Belichick, he might opt out. If coaches can opt out, I'm not sure what the rules and regulations around that are, but he's got so many players on defense that are out, right? If Bill Belichick opts out, McDaniels probably takes over, right? They go for Steve Belichick.

But if McDaniels takes over, they go four and 12. All of a sudden, no one wants to sign Josh McDaniels to a head coaching contract next year. He keeps the team together, maybe gets Trevor Lawrence. The only problem I like the theory, the only problem with the theory is Bill Belichick is definitely in the camp of football coaches that if they stop coaching football, they will immediately die. Yeah. Jopa. Yeah.

That's our he could get into lacrosse heavy this off season. He could serve as a consultant. Wouldn't be able to handle it. He just wouldn't be able to handle not coaching football. You're probably right about that. It keeps him alive. But just put that in the back of your head. Samson's hair.

In case that does happen, I think that that's exactly what Belichick is reverse engineering here. Now, I think that there's a very simple solution for coaches. Just have a hold back guy, follow them around all the time, preventing them from getting within six feet of any other person. Yep. That's what they should be. That's there's a reason why you have deuce Gruden on your sidelines and to keep John away from other coaches.

It's to be just a pit bull following you around. But this so it was supposed to be the Hall of Fame game. I'm not going to bum everyone out. It was it was supposed to be a Hall of Fame game tonight. We're going to have the hard knocks next week. We actually have Hunter Henry on the show who is being taped as we speak with hard knocks, but it starting to get some of these football stories gets the juices flowing because we not only had John Gruden faking

coronavirus, but we had our first Mike Tomlin quote of the year. And he said when talking about what was it? Oh, the players coming into camp in good physical shape. He said that was the Jell-O we couldn't get back in the box. I think what he was going for is toothpaste back into the tube. Correct. But Jell-O is definitely more football because there's nothing hygienic about Jell-O. Also, Jell-O is the grittiest dessert

known to man because you can what does a pack of Jell-O cost? Like 20 cents? Yes. I'm pretty sure they just give it to you now. Doesn't it come in like powder? Yeah, I know it's the easiest thing ever to put back in a box. It's very, very easy. Yeah, you you put the packet literally into the box. Right. That's it.

It's pretty simple to do. Who did the who did the who had the quote that was like the greased up kid trying to get the greased up kid? Epstein. No. Man, probably have you read the papers? No, I walked to that. Well, what was the I don't know. That sounds like it doesn't know it does.

Tomlin also said up kid looking greased up kid. Yeah, Google greased up kid images into a cage. Yeah, and we got best of greased up deaf guy. Oh, it was fuck greased up. No, don't. I was got it. Images. Bubba's got it.

You got it. It was it was Rick Riley talking about. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I'm going to find that. Yes, this greased up kid looks like a piano. He's like, wait, how you grease up kids, Rick? I saw another quote from Tomlin that said, we're expecting Rothless burger to walk out of a phone booth and put his cape on.

So a little Clark Kin action. That's that's the one thing that I am a little bit disappointed about in the hall of fame game, besides just being able to gamble on unpredictable first game football. That's always fun. I I was really looking forward to having Big Ben just standing on the sidelines underneath those lights and can because that field and those lights, they look like a high school game a little bit. Yes, and having been out there in crossfit shape, I guess he's in right now.

He's the the lightest that he's ever been. He looks good. No, the quote was he's the lightest he's been in 13 or 14 years. They didn't say which 14 years those were could have been the first four until Ben was in middle school. Yes, he's never been this light. Yes. But yeah, I was looking forward to just seeing Ben on the sidelines with twinkling his eye.

You know that he wasn't going to get into the game. He wasn't going to go out there and play. He was just he was going to stand on the sidelines with an ice pack on every single joint in his body because he's already hurt, probably just waiting, you know, looking like he'd want to get in like acting like he needed to be held back from getting in. Yes, that would have been that would have been a nice kickoff to football season tonight. Yes, it would have.

Fuck, I want to find this quote. Someone someone try to find it. I just searched greased up Rick Riley. Peyton Grease, fuck, man. It is very funny to see all these different head coaches, like possibly the worst equipped people in the world to handle a global pandemic and how they're choosing to implement these changes on their staff. Right. Programs like there's a lot.

Talk about virtual bubbles. I'm really into virtual bubbles. Yes, a virtual bubble is just a bubble without the bubble. And and the MLB is trying to get to a virtual bubble. They have new rules that basically they should have had to start. Which we said extra ending start with a guy in third now. You know, we said it, we said it, I think on Monday's show, we're like, hey, why not just make a rule that if you get caught doing these things,

you can't play anymore. Yep. They actually did that. So thanks for listening, Rob Manford. We appreciate it. No more milk. Yeah, no more milk. No more going out to just random dinners going out. Going out for milk definitely sounds like a Lenny Dijkstra euphemism for hitting a titty bar. Oh, Lenny's been extra horny online recently.

I mean, that's not really news. The other football news we had, though, was Jim Harbaugh poked the bear. I fucking love Jim Harbaugh so much because he's just so competitive all the time. So there was trouble in paradise, Michigan and Ohio State. Yes. So they released the the conferences are now releasing their schedules. All conference, Big Ten released theirs. Ten game conference schedule.

Yeah, I know Wisconsin somehow lucked in and playing Rutgers and not playing Ohio State Penn State. Tough shit. It's going to be they're probably going to get to the playoff just because it's this year and then everyone's going to be like asterisk. I'm going to put three asterisks on. Yeah. Oh, it's going to it's going to happen. But anyway, they were on a conference call and Jim Harbaugh pointed out that he saw a picture of a linebacker's coach with Buckeye players,

which isn't allowed until Friday. And Ryan Day said, how about I worry about my team and you worry about yours? Then later on that night, Ryan Day, addressing his team, said he hopes the Wolverines better hope for a mercy rule this season because his team is going to hang a hundred on him. I mean, I love this. This is this gets the juices flowing. I'm like real hatred in sports is what keeps the world spinning.

You know, it does. It also gives Ohio State fans and Michigan fans something to bitch about besides coronavirus online. So now they're attacking each other. Nature is healing. It's one of those situations. I am team Harbaugh through and through. I think you are too. Yeah, I find it.

Although it's hard to believe that in Ohio State, assistant coach would overlook something. Yes, I don't he probably went up. Elevated to the proper channels. Yes, I can't remember. Is that Penn State or Ohio State? Both elevate to the proper. Yeah, I don't think that a head coach at Ohio State would ignore

one of his assistant coaches doing something dumb. They should actually if the school is smart, they should just have like an assistant GA change his legally changed his name to proper channels and just tell him all the times that players get in trouble. It's not a bad. Listen, we have told the proper channel or just have Urban Meyer issue. An apology.

That would be great. Like, I know he doesn't work there anymore. Retroactive. But have Urban Meyer like just note zap it real quick and be like, we're committed to changing everything at Ohio State to conform with all the rules and regulations. He is a professor there, right? Is he? I think it was last year. He did he did.

He's on sabbatical. He probably has tenure already. He's on sabbatical to USC right now. God damn it. So speaking of football, I have an ad that will get us excited because football is coming back and that means Sundays are back. Why only watch one Sunday out of market game when you can watch all of them? Catch it all with NFL Sunday ticket dot TV.

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I have my Sunday ticket ready to go. Use code PMT 20 at checkout for 15 percent off. OK, other things we had before we get to our interviews. Um, Hockey, I am not built for 10 30 puck drops. You're getting old. Dude, I actually I'm in the morning. I was like one eye open. I did the I made the mistake where I watched the first two periods on my

couch and then I was like, yeah, you know what? I could I could watch this on my iPad in bed and I'll be fine. And then I just spent the third period dozing in and out and woke up. Thank God. I think my spidey senses with like seven minutes left and was like, OK, here we go. But I just I I feel like, you know, I feel like an athlete out there. I don't want to say I'm an athlete, but I feel like I'm doing just as much as athletes.

It's always nice if your team's not playing in the late slot. Yes, you can kind of zone in zone out. Do that exact same thing where you wake up and you missed two goals and you're like, oh, wow, that's cool. Yeah. And then you kind of fade in for the last, you know, five, 10 minutes of the game and then you stay up for overtime because overtime, hockey and the playoffs is like a drug. God, I would not have made overtime, even though it was like, you know,

it's not much longer. I still wouldn't have made it. Yeah. But it's great when it's not your team playing, right? When it is your team in that late time slot, unless you live out on the West Coast, that's tough. That is for us as bloggers. That's as close as we get to competing in a marathon. It zaps the energy and speaking of zapping energy, one of the annoyances of life that I'm so happy is back.

My phone battery is obliterated because all I'm doing is checking scores all day, which is just like that's the best thing ever where I am chasing a charge. All day long and I'm sitting there like I had the realization today. I was like, why is my phone always at 25 percent? Oh, yeah, you have not stopped checking all of your bets, like compulsively for the last five hours, and that's the best feeling in the world. Has your phone started to do that thing where maybe around five o'clock in the morning, if you wake up, you check it and it stopped charging overnight

because it's like usually you finish charging me between the hours of six and eight a.m. So I'll catch up there and then you take it off the charger. You look at it, maybe put in a bet or something like that, put it back down. You never get it back into the charger and you're at you're at like 50 percent when you were chasing chasing a charge all day. It's something you can't recover from. You just know it to wake up when you wake up and you're like, this is going to be me all day.

I'm going to be the dude looking for a charger all fucking day. We're going to say, Hank, I was going to say, you talked about a few weeks ago, I think, but the iPhone is definitely doing. Oh, yeah. Oh, they're fucking. They're just draining everyone's batteries way quicker than usual. Yes. It's it's it's new iPhone season. Yep. For my whoop. It's been telling me when I wake up, it's like you are not getting as much sleep as you normally. Oh, yeah.

It's because yeah, because hockey goes into one third of five hours of sleep last night. Yeah. Hockey worth it. Just I should put that in the whoop. I should be like hockey. Yeah. Log watching hockey on TV. Whoop. If you're listening right now, that should be one of the strain categories that you can put in hockey is watching playoff hockey. Yes. Because the heart rate really gets up there.

And then shout out to the NBA zero. I just don't have coronavirus tests anymore. Like they don't have any positives, which is it's that is the best sign that we can do this because they keep every time they tweet that I auto reach you. I'm like, yep, let's go. They put their virtual bubble into a bubble. That's phase two of bubbles. Oh, it is awesome.

And right now off the top of my head, there are more teams that nobody wants to play in the playoffs in the NBA at this point than there have ever been. It's a fact. Okay. No one wants to play Toronto in the playoffs. No one wants to play the heat in the playoffs. No one wants to play Oklahoma City in the playoffs. No one wants to play the Blazers in the playoffs, not even in the playoffs yet. Yep. No one wants to play the Rockets in the playoffs.

I think people want to play the Clippers and the Bucks right now. No, I don't want to play him. Well, Hank just said the Bucks are trash. Yeah. So therefore they are trash. I mean, this game isn't over yet, but no one should be witness in the bubble. Hank, no one wants to play your Celtics, Mike, excuse me, Mike Greenberg Celtics.

He picked them as his sleeper team this year. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Oh, and new show called Greenie. Is that? Is that the name? Yes. Greenies with Greenie. They should have gotten somebody else named Greenie. So it could have been Greenie and Greenie. What kind of show?

Chris Long and Mike Greenberg. It's just he said he wants to know he's got a radio show now. They get ESPNs going. They're going heavy in the Greenberg Department. Yeah, they're going all in. They put out like, I'd imagine the suits at ESPN sat in a board meeting with a big chart and they're like, how can we get back to here? More green. Well, they just slapped it.

Sticker, like a refrigerator sticker on it of Mike Greenberg's face. It's very simple. It's stocks. It's which one of these anchors can carry the most ads during a given show. Green and it's great. So they're riding the Greenie train until he dies of exhaustion. Greenie is like a Mount Everest Sherpa who's just got ads. Just like going up the mountain.

Yep. You know how heavy it is to the top. He's got one 800 flowers and Mahindra tractor on his back at the same time. Never been done before. More Greenie. All right, let's get to our interviews. So we're going to do Hunter Henry first, and then we have Gotham Chopra. Second Gotham Chopra. If you don't know, he is a documentarian. Is that what you say? Is that a documentarium?

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Okay. We now welcome on a very special guest who is going to be on hard knocks. Ooh, we should actually run this next week. You want to run it on hard knocks on Monday or on Wednesday morning. It's Hunter Henry from this, uh, we say San Diego chargers, LA chargers. Hunter, um, let's decide this right now. Will you do something for us to like give us a, like a heads up like, Hey, I'm on hard knocks and like, how can we get on hard knocks?

Last year we had Luke Wilson wear a PMT shirt on the day he got cut. You're probably not going to get cut because you signed a franchise tag. Right. So that'd be, that'd be pretty dumb. Yeah, that'd probably be bad. It'd probably be bad. Not a good sign. But we could, yeah, we could definitely erupt the brand for sure.

We could send you a shirt. Okay. All right. So let's start there. Wait, how have you noticed the cameras already? Are they all up in your face? Man, this, uh, yes, you definitely notice them. But it's beginning to fade a little bit because, but this training camp is

so weird so far. It's just, it's just different than anything that I've ever experienced just because of COVID and everything that's going on. Um, but when we're there, you definitely notice the cameras a little bit. They're definitely trying to pick up on the content just cause last week we really weren't in the building. Uh, we were having to pass all these COVID tests last week just to get into the building. Um, so it's been a little different training camp.

Definitely to start. Definitely to start. So, um, a couple of years ago, I think we had Joe Thomas on the show right before the Browns were in hard knocks and we asked him, I think we correctly predicted that Bob Wiley was going to be the breakout star of hard knocks. In your opinion, who's one coach or like a guy on the team that we might not know on a national level that you think is going to be the guy that we're all talking about on Wednesday morning.

Oh man. Um, gosh, the underrated star. We were talking about this the other day who would be an underrated star. I'm excited for people to see Joey a little bit more. You know, he doesn't show much, uh, personality, but this dude is just, he's, he's hilarious. Like everything he says is hilarious. Um, a low key star.

I got, that's pretty funny. A coach, um, has a lot of energy. Gus Bradley, our defense coordinator, hopefully to sign in on him. He has a great personality, hilarious. Um, so it'll be interesting to see the story lines, especially with the Rams coming into it with us. So it'll be interesting. Are you guys, are you guys at the same facility?

Are you sharing facilities? No, no. Oh, you guys are, you guys, yeah, um, that's right. You guys are down at, um, fuck, where is it? That's where we're in. We're in Costa Mesa is technically, uh, the city that we're in our facility. So, um, hard knocks all up in your ass. I, we're so excited.

Hard knocks is going to be the one thing that we'll, once we start watching it, we'll be like, Oh, football is coming back because we don't have the Hall of Fame game has it, amidst everything, has it felt like, Oh yeah, we have a season coming up in like six weeks. This is, this is crazy. Um, it hasn't yet. Honestly, it's been so weird. Like I said, uh, training camp is just obviously last week we weren't in the

building and then this week is more of like just walkthroughs and strength and conditioning. So literally we're just lifting and running kind of like we've been doing. Um, and doing walkthroughs. So it kind of feels like OTA is in a way. Um, so it kind of feels like we're still far away from the season, but, uh, I think once we start practicing and getting going, it definitely ramp up. Have you been running, running routes, catching passes yet?

Or is it just directly getting in shape before you get on the field? Just getting in shape, man. It's crazy. It's so weird, uh, literally just meetings and we do them on zoom. Um, you know, we kind of stay away from each other. Uh, and when we can, um, it's, you know, outside of the outside of the field. Um, so yeah, basically just strengthening, addition thing. We're throwing the ball around in the walkthrough, but we're just walking through.

So even like the tight ends meetings that you have, those are all over zoom. You don't have like a meeting room where it's just you guys. So we did zoom most of the time. We just had our first one and we were in a big old room and there's four of us. And we were in like a huge ballroom and I could like barely see the screen because I had to sit way in the back. We were like spaced out, like crazy, wear a mask. So it's, uh, it's a different atmosphere for sure.

I just realized that's going to be tough for the bears to have their tight ends distance themselves because they've got, but you've got 10 still, right? Nine, nine tight ends. They're dropping like five tight ends. Yeah. Like 12 a few days ago. What formation? That's the, uh, the O nine formation.

If we're going by personnel. Yeah. Um, not the best personnel. So you have to be a great personnel. How much do you not say anything about Justin Herbert? Cause I'm sure he's going to be great, but how much do you miss Phil Rivers? Oh, I miss Phil a ton, man. He's, he's a stud.

Um, and I mean, he was just very underrated to me. I mean, he is just, I think he's all a fan player. Um, and you know, everybody wants to debate that, but I think he is. I mean, he, he's a stud. And just the things that he does in the background that I got to see just first hand and how he prepares and how he plays and just the player he is, uh, the smack talk on the field, uh, just everything he is, man. He's just a true football player at quarterback, man.

And it was just, it was so fun to be around. So definitely it's, it's, it's weird, uh, him not being in there. Wait, so you, I mean, look at him is, is, is awesome. You say smack talk on the field, but he doesn't swear. So what would he, what is Phil Rivers smack talk like? Uh, yeah, he's, he's got a good, uh, swear replacements, great swear replacements. Man, horse mess is the go to horse mess is crazy. I love that's like, when I like showed up when he said horse mess, like he yelled

at me one time and said, horse, that's horse mess. I was like, I don't know how to say back to that. Um, you know, golly day, um, God, what's the other ones he said? We've heard, uh, gracious to Pete and gracious to grace to Pete. Grace to Pete is an all timer for sure. All timer. That's, he's always saying that. He just has a way, a knack man on the field.

Honestly, he's just, uh, he's a clean smack talker, but he, he, he loves the smack talk and getting their head a little bit now. We joke, we're obviously huge, huge football fans. And we joke that, um, it always like Sunday doesn't feel like Sunday until the chargers are down to score late in the fourth quarter. It's like six 45 last game on the red zone channel. And Phil is like trying to bring you back. Do you feel that?

Had, have you had those moments where you're like, wait, we're here again? Like deja vu yet again. Yeah. Um, yeah, that's funny. You say that we talk about it nonstop. Um, yeah, it's brutal. Yeah. We put ourselves or in every single game always, um, and we somehow find a

way to blow it and we make up ways to blow it. Um, you know, last year we, you know, we miss a field goal or we throw an interception at the end of the game or we're always going to be there at the end, like we're going to have a two minute drive to either go kick a field, go to tie it to go to overtime or touchdown and win it. Um, yeah, we were always there. And, um, I mean, that's the biggest thing I think we're trying to focus on this year is just trying to finish games.

I mean, um, you know, and winning those close ones. I mean, that's really what the good teams in the NFL do. They win the close games. Um, you know, that's, you know, that's a four to five game swing, um, on your win loss record. Well, what year was it? I'm going to give you a compliment. What year was it?

2018? I had to clear the chargers. The best team did not make the playoffs. That's true. Yeah. 2017. Maybe you guys, it's pretty much every year you guys, the best team did not make the playoffs.

That goes back. Dude, we started on four that year and then we went on a run. We won like nine out of the last 11. I kept on saying like, don't let the chargers get in the playoffs and everyone laughed to be hot that year. And we were like, I remember we won the last game. We beat the Raiders and we were like the bills. That was the year the bills got in.

Um, you out to play the Jags. I'm pretty sure. And we blew the bills out. And so we were watching the bills and we saw that the bills got in and we were just like, Oh my gosh, this sucks because we beat the bills and they get in. That goes back a long time in chargers history. Like I think there was one team, I want to say 2010, 2011, where the chargers had the best offense in the NFL by far, the best defense by far.

And then there were weird things like special teams turnovers that for some reason took you guys from being like one of the best teams of the last couple of decades. I don't, I don't think you made the playoffs that year anyway. So yeah, it's the small stuff, I guess. So how does Anthony Lynn start this training camp being like, Hey, this year is the year that we're not going to fuck up the details. Yeah, I think the biggest thing they're preaching right now, obviously, I

mean, I think the team that handles COVID the best right now is going to be, you know, one of the best teams at the end of the day. So we're trying to attack that in a way and approach protocols, um, right and do everything right. But I think, I think there's paying attention to details, man. And that's the biggest thing, you know, throughout the whole practice, um, and then, you know, knowing situational football. Um, so that's, that's one thing we, we preach around there because we were

trying to get better at situational football because, um, you know, for a while, we just weren't playing good at the end of games. Um, and also playing good throughout the game. Because sometimes this plays early on in the game, take you out of the situation of having to be in a two minute drill and to go win the game. So there's a lot that goes into it. Uh, I think turnovers are huge. I think we're going to try to fully focus on that.

We had too many turnovers last year and also, I know defensively, we really didn't take the ball away as much. So, um, those are two big things that helped your football team every week. So when you sign the, um, franchise tag from our perspective, whenever we see franchise tag, we're like, dude, that's sweet. Like that's a shit load of money. But from your perspective, are you like, I just really want to con, I want a longterm contract.

Like how does, what's the thought process that happens when you sign on the dotted line for a lot of money, but it's just for one year. Yeah. I mean, I was happy, you know, I mean, I was excited for it. Um, I mean, I get it for guys and I get it. I mean, I definitely wanted something longterm for security and all that stuff. Um, but at the same time, I'm excited. I mean, I've been banged up in my career because so I kind of know that I got

to go out and kind of just prove it. And I kind of have that kind of chip on my shoulder. So I'm excited to attack this, this year under the franchise tag. I mean, it is a lot of money. So I'm excited about it in any aspect. And it's just another year to go, go play ball, man. So I'm excited. I want to go back to, uh, to when you were senior in college, the combine right

afterwards, you, you declined to do a lot of the workouts, but one of the two workouts that you elected to do was the bench press where you put up 13 reps. So we can take your man card on that. If we want to play the Joe Buck drop right there. So we'll take your man card. Why did you decide like, yeah, you know what? I'll bench and then you put up 13. Why was that one of the ones you thought you actually put up?

I put up 18 and they knocked, uh, knocked off at five, uh, for, for my hips. Uh, hips came off the bench a little too much. They said so, uh, 18, but knocked five. So I looked kind of like a scrub. Um, so that sucked. Um, definitely that one, that one hurt, but, uh, thought I was going to do better in that and honestly, it's common. We sucked.

I hated the combine so much. I'm just not built for the combine at all. Like I'm just not that kind of player. Um, I'm more of just like a football player. I'm not going to blow you away in the combine drills or anything like that. I'm, but I'm, I'm good at football. I like that. That's a very good answer.

Also, my hips came up every time I tried to. So I got zero. Yes. This is bullshit. Yeah. So like if your hips come up at all on the bench, they're like, Hey, put your hips down and then at the end, like I was, they just needed to stop me. At some point it was just, but I got 18 and he was like 18 minus five, 13.

And I'm just like, wow, that sucks. We can spin that though. You can be like, I have the most explosive hips at the combine. Hey, hips were great. Yeah. Hip for, for sure. I'm a big hip. I'm not going to lie, but, uh, yeah, I'm trying to work on that.

Um, so when you, you went to Arkansas from Arkansas, did you get recruited by Bobby Petrino? I did. Yeah. I did. Okay. So getting recruited by Bobby Petrino and then playing for Brett Bielema, that's two different worlds, although kind of the same world in a weird way.

Maybe offfield. I don't think, I don't think that would fit on a motorcycle. Yeah. The, the, but when you go to Arkansas and now you're going to play, because those Arkansas teams, the first few years Brett Bielema and I, I'm a Wisconsin guy. So I was pissed when he left, but the first few years at Arkansas, you guys had a good team and he was playing Brett Bielema football. I remember that you guys played Alabama that year, the closest they had a game.

Like, I think it was like 17, 16 in the rain. Um, was it weird though? Going to Arkansas being like, Oh, I thought it was going to be a little more wide open and now we're just fucking cement mixing everyone and just running the ball down their throat. Yeah. So it was actually for myself, I got recruited. Um, Petrino left my, he got into trouble.

My C or my junior year, junior year. And then they did the whole, uh, John L Smith thing, uh, brought in the interim for four months or whatever it was, like the season. And then they hired Coach B. So honestly, I, uh, I honestly didn't really want to play for Petrino. Um, I wasn't a big fan of him, honestly. And so I actually was honestly really close. Um, at that time, um, it was, I was really interested in Bama and Georgia.

Uh, we're two, two, two teams coming after me. So I was like really close with those guys and I was really close. And then when coach B got hired, um, I got to know coach B, the Titan coach there was coached a little money, um, and just it clicked, man. And coach B had produced so many tight ends in the NFL. I was like, Oh, this is no brainer. Um, you know, I mean, he's worked with dudes that put, you know, the end goal of being in the NFL.

So, um, you know, the offense was pro style. We had, and we brought in a lot of studs early on, really, really did. Um, I mean, I look back at our huddle and offense and pretty much all 11 guys in our huddle, my sophomore junior year played in NFL. So I mean, we had talent. It was kind of like the charger. So we lost a lot of close games at the end of the end of games. We really did, uh, to good teams.

I mean, the SCC West is, is brutal in itself. So, um, you know, but we, we definitely played our style ball, uh, coach B's ball. Did you ever go out to dinner with, uh, coach Bima? I never did. Never did. Really? Still haven't yet. Yeah.

I need to do that. Yeah. He feels like I got to lose the cafe show when I was getting recruited, but that's about it. Okay. We, uh, we're recruits in, you know, so he's, he's trying to put on his best, best, you know, yeah, right. You know, you're not partying.

You're not, uh, he's probably letting everyone get seconds. No black track before he gets seconds kind of thing. Yeah. So he's a recurring guest of the show. Yes. Yeah. When, uh, when he would come into like the team dinners, he feels like a guy that would double dip, that would take his dinner beforehand and then walk

around the buffet line and be like, was that tri-tip? Maybe just a little here, there, like, maybe do the standing where you just eat while you're standing and then go back. I could see it for sure. Yeah. And, uh, coach B's great, man. I love coach B, um, you know, he's, he's the man. He really is.

I mean, I have nothing bad to say about him. I know honestly some Arkansas people, maybe Wisconsin people have stuff to say about him, but I, I, I loved coach B and I would love to voice that to everybody. No, I actually, honestly, I, I understood what he was doing because he had to be in Barry Alvarez's shadow. I was just more disappointed because I thought if he stayed at Wisconsin, he would have like that he would have been able to be there for 30 years and run the same system for 30 years and been good for years.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I mean, we were paying good. Uh, we were paying him pretty good too. Yes. That along with, I think the challenge of the SCC and attacking that, I mean, that was, that was, I think, definitely for him. I was, I think that was, you know, he wanted to take that step up.

So, um, you also at Arkansas, part of one of the craziest plays of all time. Um, if you haven't seen it, I'm sure everyone has seen it, but if you don't remember it, it was overtime against Ole Miss, fourth and 25 and Hunter Henry threw the ball backwards, like basically wasn't looking and they converted the fourth and 25 for a touchdown and won the game. Um, how often do you go back and watch that play? Man, I've seen it so many times in the last, I don't really watch it that much, but definitely when people bring it up, you know, and we talked through it,

I've done some detailed like walkthroughs on it. Um, yeah, I've watched it. I mean, I've seen it a ton, obviously. Um, it's kind of famous in Arkansas and obviously in college football. I mean, it had big implications on college football, even in that year. Um, so it was, I mean, it's just a crazy play. And I honestly never thought I'd be remembered for throwing the ball. I thought I'd make like a sweet catch in the end zone or something, but never

really thought I'd be one throwing the ball, like laddering it and be remembered for that. It's an awesome play. Uh, Jerry Jones, was he like paying you then and then he had to stop writing the checks once you signed with another NFL team? Or how did that work? Did you just switch the payroll over to the chargers? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's switched it over, you know, he's a big, big, uh, big donor over there

in Arkansas for sure. We like to run Jerry Jones. So, uh, you know, he's, uh, he's given a lot to Arkansas. But yeah, I, I, he switched it over to the chargers. So the chargers are handing hands clean on that end. Uh, have you ever met Boltman? I haven't. Who's Boltman?

Oh, well, you might not know Boltman, but he was, well, you're on the San Diego team for one year. He was the unofficial mascot. He was the big super fan that had the giant light and very civically engaged. He went to a number of town council meetings to try to keep you guys around. Then he sold his outfit for like 60,000. Yeah. Fuck.

Hey, what a legend. What a legend. What, you just met him, but yeah, in your mind. Yeah, I remember him. I remember, he's a legend. Who was your favorite teammate on that San Diego team? And why was it Danny Woodhead? Uh, Danny Woodhead, for sure.

Um, I just remember showing up, uh, you know, you're a rookie. So you're showing up like just everything's big eyed anyway. Like you're like, oh my gosh, we're in the NFL. This is crazy. And just meeting Danny and just him, just like running jokes and just him and Matt Sloss and just, just getting after in the locker room. Um, you know, it just lots of, lots of good times in the locker room, man, eating with those guys.

Um, and then another, I think another teammate that took me under his wing like that was, uh, Gates, um, I'm honestly all time teammate. Uh, a great dude treated me like a little brother. I feel like Gates is still on the team. He's going to play this year, right? Like week nine. Yeah, he's sitting out, he's going to hold out camp. And then, uh, it'll probably come back once, uh, game start.

Is it going to be awkward catching a pass from somebody not named Phillip Rivers? Like kind of on a, on a serious note, is there a big difference? Could you pick out a Phillip Rivers spiral? Like without seeing who threw it compared to, you know, any backup that you've caught passes from or going back to your days at, at Arkansas? Yeah, I probably could pick it out. Honestly, I've seen it so many times.

Um, and then obviously his throwing motion is so unique. Um, but yeah, it's, it's going to be different, um, definitely. Um, but our, our offense honestly is going to be completely different this year. So, um, you know, that's no shade to fill at all, but it's just what it is. And, uh, we'll definitely have a different kind of offense this year. Um, you know, a lot more movement, a lot of, a lot more different things that are going to entail. All right.

So I'm going to ask this question in a way that not going to get you in trouble. Um, could take a second. Yeah, I'm trying to workshop it. You want to ask it to me and I want to be like, Hey, dude, how much does it really suck to have no fans at the game? And like when the Steelers come out, it's all terrible towels. Like how much is that? Are you excited to see fewer Pittsburgh Steelers fans this year?

Yeah, we're honestly even playing field for everybody this year. So, uh, it helps us out a lot, helps us out a lot. Um, so we have a lot of experience with it. Uh, we definitely have a lot of experience with, uh, what's going on this year. Um, you know, it's, uh, but we were opening a new stadium. And so we were very eager for the fans, um, you know, this year, uh, I think that was the biggest thing. And so, um, you know, we honestly, we really do, we do have great fans.

Um, but when the others come in, they kind of overshadowed. Or the chiefs, or the Packers, or the bears, or the, yeah, I just like every, every team, every team. Yeah. No, but I, I, I want to, I want the chargers back in San Diego, but that's just me. Um, so speaking of San Diego chargers and the LA chargers, have you picked out, uh, what your favorite new uniform is of the whole, you guys, the chargers

absolutely nailed it. Like no other team, we roast uniforms all the time. They came out with all those uniforms and they all are fucking gorgeous, but is there one that you're like, I cannot wait to wear this one? Obviously I love the powder blues. The powder blues are all time. Um, I don't know. I have something with the, they put kind of like a new Navy blue, um, and

the Navy blue and then the bolt on the helmet is Navy blue. And we're wearing all Navy. Um, I can, that honestly, I think that's my favorite one. And I've always kind of been a big like Navy guy. I love our all navies. I think they're sweet. Obviously the powder blues are kind of honestly the best, but the Navy blues are, they're sweet.

So can you feel it in the locker room when you guys are wearing your like best uniforms? Can you feel, does it feel different? Like, Oh fuck, we look awesome today. Oh yeah, for sure. Definitely. Uh, you kind of look good, feel good, you know, play, you know, uh, anytime you walk out like that and you're feeling good, um, you know, you look good.

You feel a little extra kind of swag about you. See, I'm, I'm so happy you answered it that way because as fans, we just assume that players are wired the same way our stupid lizard brains are where we're like, Oh my God, if we could wear those uniforms, we'd be so fast. So it's good to know that like that actually is going through your heads. When you wear the nice uniforms, you're like, we look sick. Oh yeah. I mean, you're always trying to look good, man.

I mean, if anybody tells you you're not, they're not, then they're lying to you in a way for sure. I mean, the, you know, you're trying to look good, look at yourself in the, in the mirror and, um, everything up. But once you get in the game, we're not really thinking about it, obviously, but like before the game, you're like, dang this, I kind of, we look sweet. Oh, see, I'd be like, as soon as like, as soon as I fell down or made a tackle or something, I was like, shit, I got grass stains on my uniform.

Yeah, I'd take a hamstring injury during warmups and be like, you know, I'm just going to, I'm a chill on the sideline, maybe stand behind a coach, try to get on TV a little bit, looking good. But as for that, like tackling shit, no, I'm good. Yeah. No grass, no grass stains. Just keep it clean. The photos are going to look good.

Cause you got those sick warmup photos. So yeah, you know, it'll be good content for you. Yeah. We, um, we usually ask this question to a linebacker or a defensive end, but I'm going to kind of flip it on you real quick, especially with Joey Bosa's new contract, he just got paid. Uh, would you want to ever get any reps at defensive end? Yeah, I would love to, that'd be fun.

I would love to, I would love to kind of get that feel. Um, I think I would need some work, but I think, I think we could train. I could transition to it. All right. Safety, like Rob Gronkowski, like a Hail Mary or like into that didn't work out. I think you're a better tackler than Rob at this point in your career though. Yes. Yeah, that, that one didn't work out for him.

But, uh, yeah, DN, that would be sick. I mean, I could learn from Joey. Um, I mean, I think I'd be all right. Do you have to block him in practice? Oh yeah. Every day, every day. How much does that suck? It, uh, definitely makes you better.

Definitely makes you better. Um, we've gone against each other now for whatever it is, four years. Um, and so you kind of, I mean, we get used to it and everything, but it makes you better and do is a beast. I mean, um, he's just so just technically sound. That's the thing too. Like obviously he's a freak, um, but his hands and just everything he does, like he's just so detailed.

Um, and so it's, he's, he's a tough guy to block. Uh, definitely makes you a better player. He's got bad hips though. I just looked at his combine stats and he had zero deductions and bench press. So you're a little bit more explosive. Yeah, the explosion. Yeah. I guess I got him on the explosion by five.

You know, my hips were good. Has he changed since signing his new contract? Is he like walking around like Mr. Big Shot? Absolutely not. I saw him the next morning and it was just the same dude. He's just like, uh, like he's just, he's just dry, man. He's a dry dude, dry humor.

Um, he's a great dude. He's a great teammate. Uh, I love being around him. Uh, we came in the same year, uh, same draft class. So, um, it's, it was crazy. I mean, we actually played, I've known him since high school too. And we were the same age and everything. So it's, he's honestly been the same dude ever since I've known him.

That'd be sick though. If you showed up the first day after that contract, he's driving like a slingshot. Yeah. He's got, yeah. The three wheel car, just flipping everybody off. Just looking like Willie Beaman at defensive end. I'd all he's the most low profile guy, low profile guy ever. Um, I had one last question.

So taking you back to December, 2018, you are injured. You're probably laying in bed, just waking up on the West coast time. What happens to your phone when Stephen A Smith, uh, says he's excited to watch Hunter Henry tonight, even though you had been out for a very long time. Oh, what a legend for that. I love that man. What a legend. Thanks.

Thanks, Stephen. Hey, big shout out to you, man. Um, yeah. It was, uh, pretty crazy. I was actually went with the team to that game because we were playing the chiefs, um, and it was like a big Thursday night game. So I was like, I'm going to go watch this. It'd be a fun game to go to.

I'm going to go to it. So, um, and I was honestly starting to kind of come back from my ACL that year. So I was like, and that's when I kind of came back at the end of the year. Um, so I was like, I'm going to go to this game. And then I woke up in the hotel that morning and I'm getting blown up by everybody, like everybody in my Twitter, everything to text. I come down to the meal room and everybody's like, dang bro, are you ready for tonight?

No, no, bro. Like I didn't really look at everything. And then they were like, yeah, Stephen has just been blowing you up. So I'm like, wow, this is crazy. I mean, it was just crazy. The whole process of it. I was like, what is going on, dude? Thank, but I was a big shout out to Stephen for, uh, keeping me relevant.

For knowing your name. Yeah. He said, he said he had a brain lock, which happens to the best of us. He just ran out of talent when he was doing that. Yes. Yes. That's actually, it's a good thing, though, because if you wake up and your phone's getting blown up, blown up and you're like, holy shit,

why am I trending on Twitter? That's probably the best reason that you could be trending is because Stephen A Smith screwed something up and not because of something you did. Yeah, for sure. It was, uh, yeah, it's the best way to be trending on Twitter, for sure. Absolutely. Absolutely. Um, what is your record going to be this year?

Uh, 16 and O is the goal, right? When every game, um, but, uh, we're going to take it week by week. And, uh, I mean, the bingles with our first game, uh, so got it for that one. And, uh, you know, I'm just going to take a week by week to start one. So 16 and O is what I heard. What I also heard was a guaranteed first week victory against the Bengals. One and O, one and O. Hey, man, you got to go on with confidence.

I mean, if you don't go into the game thinking you're going to win, you know, then I think every team goes in thinking they're going to win. And, and, you know, that you got to, you got to know you're going to win going into every single week. So, or at least have a shot to win down seven with two minutes left. That's not our plan this year. It's a new year. We're moving on from that.

I actually, I'm okay. Yeah. I'm okay with you guys moving on because I would rather it just go with Phil to Indianapolis. It feels more natural. It does. It's not a Chargers thing. Yeah.

Right. It's more of a Rivers thing. Oh, no, don't put that on Phil. No, we love him. We love him, but he, you know, it's, uh, it's, it's not even the fact that you guys are down. It's more just like he gets so demonstrative and he's like kicking in, doing audibles and just chucking it.

And it's just, it's the best. Yeah. Are we all Rivers with his back against the wall is a delight to watch. Yeah. It's, yeah, we've, we've done it a lot. We've done it a lot. Definitely in his past years, we're going to definitely try to move on from it. That's, uh, that's our plan going into 2020 season for sure.

Love it. I love it. Well, well, Hunter, thank you so much. We appreciate it, man. Good luck with hard knocks. We'll be watching. We'll send you something. Yeah.

We're going to send you a shirt. I'm sending you a shirt and a hat so you can wear it in hard knocks. And then we'll be like, Oh shit, I'll wrap it. I'll wrap it for you guys. Love it, man. No, guys. Thank you so much, man. Can I talk to you?

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You've done it all, man. You've done it all. You've been around some of the greatest athletes of all time. I guess we'll let's start there. Who is the greatest? Can you give us a goat of all the goats? Man, that's tough. You know, I'm going to go something kind of non with something not controversial.

I'll say out of this series, like being around Kelly Slater and maybe because it's a sport I don't really know very well. You know, I've surfed maybe twice in my life, but there's something. You know, Kelly's kind of like Tom. He's in his forties. He's been there, done it all. He's also lived this crazy life. So there was something kind of pretty, I don't know, just enchanting around him.

And Usain Bolt, he's another one. I mean, to me, like fastest man on the planet and heavyweight champion in the world, those are two like untouchable things. Right? Yes. Yeah. I love Tom, but we can sit around and debate, you know, is Tom the greatest of all time, look around versus Jordan.

But when you're like the fastest man on the planet, that's kind of untouchable. Right. And the nice thing about sprinting is you can measure it and compare him to people that came, you know, 10 years, 20 years, 30 years before. I've actually always wondered when it comes to an event like the 100 meter dash, how much faster do you think the human body can even go? Like, obviously we can't run a hundred meter dash in five seconds. That's just beyond the scope of imagination.

But at some point we're going to top out, right? You think, yeah, I mean, yes, but, you know, the four minute mile for the longest time, like, you know, was the thing. And we just, we make quantum leaps every once in a while. I mean, like the Jordan LeBron, you know, debate is fascinating, but it's like, you know, what Jordan, what LeBron is now, like just physically and just everything about him, it's like, you just didn't see that. Like that, that is unique to this era.

It's like we've made an evolutionary leap or like even you think 10 years from now, Giannis, like what, I mean, he's just like blazing a trail. So I mean, it's a great thing about sports. Actually, I misspoke a second ago because Britney Spears ran the 100 meter dash in what four seconds in her gym. I think she put that online not too long ago. But being around all these people, all these people who are obviously like elite at their professions, who work harder than everybody else, is there a moment

where you're sitting down, kind of going behind the scenes and watching their process where you're like, this person is actually insane to be doing it this way? Yeah, I think it's even like, I'll go back to like Tom versus time, you know, when I worked on that. So when we started that, I think, you know, it was several weeks. It was only a few weeks after the 28 to three comeback, that Super Bowl against the Falcons, and it was probably what that happened in February. We were maybe at the end of March, I was out with him on a practice field filming.

And he was like working on his throwing motion. He had his throwing coach Tom House with him. And Tom was really like, there was something about his hip, whatever, that he was like, I'm not, it's not working right or whatever, tweaking it. And I said to him, I said, did you, like three weeks ago, we won the Super Bowl in the greatest come and he was like, yeah, that was like three weeks ago. Like for him, it was just like, you know, that was yesterday. I, what do I care?

Like that's over and he's thinking about the next one. And so that sort of maniacal and that's consistent. I mean, that's LeBron. That's like all of these people. It's just like, there's this, but there's God given talents there and gifts, but there's just like this, yeah, maniacal devotion and, and this edge. And it's always like a little bit of me versus everyone, like in this greatness code thing, you'll see consistently, like even with the Tom Brady's and the LeBron

James, it's like, no, like nobody believes in me. It's me against the world. Yeah. And so there's also something just like kind of sick in the mind with these athletes, just how they get themselves. Yeah. So I had two questions about Tom versus Tom. The first one's a little silly, but you put in all this hard work and then

the most memorable moment is Tom kissing his son on the lips. Were you like, what the hell? Like, did you guys not watch the rest of it? It was really cool. It was Tom Brady. Like, like he's never been seen before. I mean, you know, it's like everything that Tom did, especially off the field. Like his smoothie became a thing, right?

Like, yeah, the kiss, you know, with Jack was a thing, but like the smoothie was a thing. And it's just because I think no one had ever been inside. No one's, you know, he now he's on social media and everything. But at the time, like he didn't have an Instagram account. Like he was barely say just everything took on this larger than life. So, I mean, I felt bad because especially with Jack, I mean, Jack was like from time like nine years old, but I wasn't particularly surprised or bothered by it. It's just so funny when you have such hard work and you put together

something so big and then the one take or not the one takeaway, but the one that the internet runs with, that's just the internet. You can never control it. So my other question about Tom Verstheim and it was a debate that came up with the last dance and a lot of documentaries coming out. Where's the line when you are doing a documentary with the control of the person you are, you know, filming and their story and how much you let in, how much you can take out like the creative control.

Is that all decided beforehand and where do you kind of fall on the debate that's been going on in media? Yeah, um, look, I think this is somewhat, I don't want to say generational because I'm not, you know, like some young whippersnapper or something, but there's like this sort of Ken Burns style documentary, completely objective. And yeah, you really, there's no version of the subject having any control. But I would say, you know, working with Kobe in particular, and that was like the first high profile one, like there was no version of that.

And the best version of that was going to be something that the subject was really invested in. And I mean emotionally, like belt quote ownership over it. And so I sort of come from the perspective of like, well, I don't quote seed, you know, full creative control or final cut or anything like that. I do come from the school of like, no, this is a partnership. This is not on you, Kobe, Brian or Tom Brady. This is with you.

And so like every story, every question you're asking me is a choice. Like you, you make choices and that's kind of what guides the story. And you leave stuff out. And so, you know, that's just part of the process. I mean, it doesn't mean, and I can tell you again, especially with Kobe, who's combative, like he was, that was his nature. I mean, there were endless creative, you know, debates. And, and I would say like, I won my fair share.

He won his fair, but that's part of the process. From, from my personal perspective, I don't really have a problem with it, especially if it's, if it's, you know, admitted, it's full disclosure like, hey, this person had part of the creative, you know, like it's not, you're not trying to dupe us or be like, you know, we got inside Tom Brady and we're putting out stuff he didn't agree to. I actually appreciated on the level that all these athletes spend their entire career being covered in having the media and their fans project their own

thoughts on them, of who they are. And this is maybe a chance for them to show their own side instead of having someone else tell them how they've thought about things or rumors or whatever it may be. So they almost get the power back, which is kind of a cool dynamic that we've never seen in sports until today. Yeah. And look, this is a trend. A lot of athletes now have their own production companies or, or their entire platforms, uninterrupted players, tribune, others that are really built

on that premise of like them directly to the audience. I think, you know, people like myself still have a role in terms of helping to guide a story, like we're, we're making a story and you have all the normal thing, tension, conflict, setups and payoffs and stuff like that. So I think that's, but I agree. Look, we're not trying to be manipulative ever. And there's definitely a line. Like you can feel it sometimes.

Like when you are being lied to and therefore are you lying to the audience? And I, those are the areas that you really kind of have to be careful about. But I think in general, like you want to the subject to feel a sense of like, no, this is my story. I want to share this. Otherwise you're going to end up like, like everything else. Right. So yeah, it's interesting that he mentioned working with Kobe because I feel

like Kobe gets so in-depth on everything that he does. He's got like, he had this passion behind him where he would focus, you know, solely on the task at hand, he would, he would be able to kind of go into whatever field interested him and take that on with a guy like LeBron. When you're working with him, how much, you know, when you're talking about the creative ideas that you're coming up with together, is he getting down to the level of, I want, here's, here would be a great place for a montage. We should do a voice over here.

Can we get Morgan Freeman to do that part? Like how granular does it get with these athletes? No, so I mean, what you just described is Kobe Bryant was Kobe on the projects. So like, you know, every little detail, like in the minutia, obsessive. And, you know, the truth is like, these guys are the same off the court that they are on the court. So that actually is not that surprising, right? Like Kobe always wants the ball in his hands, et cetera.

So LeBron's kind of the opposite, right? Like he's a, he's thinking, he's a facilitator. He's about like, how do I get, you know, my guys in the right, you know, position to do what they do best? And, and so he does that kind of off the court as well. He's got a core group of guys, Maverick Carter, Rich Paul, that he's grown up with that he trusts. So actually working with LeBron is largely working with those guys because

they kind of know what he likes and doesn't like. I mean, he's, he's a there, like the few times that I interacted with him. He's very supportive. Let me know how I can be help. If you ask him for his opinion on something, he'll give it to you, but he's not the guy, at least in my experience, like in the edit room, rolling his sleeves, whereas Kobe, I mean, I was with him two, three in the morning. The guy was like, no, no one's leaving.

No one's leaving until we get this right. And, you know, it was, we called it affectionately Kobe jail. But, you know, that was, that was a process with him. So religion is sports and you're around all these athletes and it's a religion for them. Do they ever fully understand how it's a religion for fans? Like what, what do you, what have you sensed from being around these, these, uh, you know, men and fee and women, do they fully understand the impact

they have on their fans and how much of our happiness, which is sad to say, but it's true, is dependent on them. Yeah, I think the guys and women later in their careers, right? Like they, they do like they've been around long enough. I mean, so, you know, when I started religion of sports and, and my two partners are Tom Brady and Michael Strahan, they both into it. It wasn't the business plan that got them. It was, oh no, I know what it means to be at the epicenter of this thing.

I understand, you know, not only is this my life's purpose, like for Tom to play this game, but I know, like I can feel it when I'm out there, just like what, you know, how much is invested in me. And so I get this idea that, you know, sports, it's not like, like a religion. It is a religion and it sort of invokes the same type of feeling. So, yeah, I think a lot of them do towards the end, you know, and it's partly, it's also, I mean, Tom's had this forever goodbye tour. We know how long it'll go on for, but it's, it's that connection to the sport.

It doesn't last forever. Have you thought about flipping the, you know, like the camera? I mean, it wouldn't be flipping the camera on yourself, but flipping the camera and like following a Cleveland Browns fan who face paints and drinks, you know, a rum out of a bowling ball and throws a keg in the Mooney lot and then goes and screams his face off all day and then gets up at like seven in the morning for his construction job on Monday morning after the Browns lose again. That's the religion of sports.

We need that documentary too. Those are the true, we call those the true believers. Yes. And so, yeah, no, I absolutely, you know, how do you market that? I'm not quite sure, but like, you know, like in terms of those people, those stories, as you guys know, I mean, they're out there. I mean, there's tens of thousands of top millions of them. I mean, today, like opening day of baseball in the middle of this weird

pandemic and this time, like just what, again, it's, it's, I'm going to watch. I know you guys might be Yankees fans. I'm a Red Sox fan, but I can't wait till seven o'clock when I can watch Yankees nationals because of what it means, you know, and it's bigger than sports. Yeah, you mentioned Michael Strahan and Tom Brady. I'm interested to know what that relationship is like. If you've ever been in a room with those two, if I'm sure that, you know, they're friendly with each other, Michael Strahan, it's hard not to like the guy.

But does he ever just bring up the Super Bowl? And he's like, Hey, look at this ring, Tom, look at this one. So they are like active members of the company, both on the board. Every single board meeting starts with Michael talking about that game. Kind of like, you know, and for Tom, look, I mean, nine Super Bowls, you know, six of them wins, but it's the losses and it's that loss, the 18 and one loss that hurts the most. That's the most memorable. And so yeah, and Michael does not miss a beat to sort of, you know, remind him

that, you know, he was at the epicenter of that one. And the weird thing about it is in a way, I'm sure that that loss actually motivates Tom Brady to be the quarterback that he is today because he suffered that defeat on that 18 and one season. That actually makes him greater down there. It actually makes him stronger for sure. I mean, so greatness code. I always think there's like an analog to greatness code, which is about failure

because the truth is it's the failures that are the most memorable for athletes. It gets the one they'll always talk about. And even if you go like, if you watch this series, like LeBron, the game he talks about is in 2012 game six of the Eastern Conference finals. But really what it's about is game five, which he lost at home. He talks about Paul Pierce hitting a shot in his face and everything. And he's like, it was because of that game and all because this was before all the championships. So it's that game.

Everyone came out of LeBron's, you know, loser. He can't win the big one. He's always a joke. And he's like that it was the failure that sort of catapulted the success. And so that's another consistent thing you see with the greatest. Yeah. So being around Tom Brady, as much as you have been I think most people are fascinated by the TV 12 method, his relationship with Alex Guerrero, my whole take and it's totally uninformed.

But Tom Brady is exceptional because Tom Brady is exceptional and his work ethics is exceptional. And he's also kind of a freak athlete in certain respects. And with or without Alex Guerrero, he does that. It's almost just like not a placebo effect, but it's like an extra thing to believe. What was what's their relationship like? And do you really think that it's Alex Guerrero is like a major part in Tom Brady playing for as long as he's played?

Because I feel like Tom Brady would have found a way no matter what. Yeah, I mean, like it's a good question. I'd say I've been around Tom a lot for the last three or four years. And Alex is a huge part of his daily life. Like Tom does not miss even during the off season. You know, all the body work he does, like just the pliability and, you know, all the weight he doesn't use weights. Everything's about, you know, again, like stretching his muscles

and stuff like that, lengthening and loosening. So I actually think especially as his career has gone on and on and like the years batted up, I do think it's a big part. Look, there's a there's a whole bunch of stuff they do, like the body work and Tom's endless hydration, his sleep, you know, regulation. I mean, there's a lot of stuff. And so I don't know where the line is like, oh, man, this stuff is functionally really important versus this is part of like Tom's like, like I said,

maniacal psychology. I'm not sure where that line is, but I would say I don't know. Like especially, you know, Tom did have a catastrophic injury early in his career. And this was like that was the turning point for him. And if he hadn't done this, I mean, the statistics show that, well, guys don't keep playing this no matter how talented they are. I mean, Tom's not the most talented guy and he'll be the first to say it. So there have been many more talented guys who have not played as long as he has.

How much water does he drink in a day? He I mean, you can like look on the I think I saw a clip today of him showing up at the Tampa Bay facility and he carries this jug. And it's like super ionized in again, like this is where I mean, to your point, like does that is that water have some secret in it that, you know, is prolonged in your career? I don't know. But Tom carries that thing around and I think he fills it multiple times a day. And so he's just like he's he's a mad scientist.

Like when you, you know, he's always tinkering with something. There's never a moment that he's not like thinking about football. So I was reading your Wikipedia page here and one thing jumped off the page to me. And I wanted to ask you about it. It says that you were a lyrical advisor to Michael Jackson at one point. What what Michael Jackson songs did you write? And so, you know, I mean, this can go into some crazy places this. But like, yeah, I've known my new Michael, you know, starting when I was pretty young.

And then when I was in college in New York, I went to Columbia and Michael used to live in the top of the four seasons there in New York City. And so I used to hang out with him and help him like with some of the so mainly the album history. So the songs like Stranger in Moscow, History, Scream, Will You Be There, some of that stuff, you know, I would just. But that was like, you know, pre-internet. Like it was like I was like I was bringing like rhyming

dictionaries and the sources down to and just like helping him, you know, find the right words. I mean, he did all the music, so I'm not going to take any credit for that. Did you get any royalties off that? Yeah. So you guys can appreciate, you know, I was in college at the time and I would go down and hang out with him and help at like two, three in the morning. And then Tom, I mean, Tom, Michael would be like, Hey, man, so how much do I owe you? And I'd be like, I don't know.

And he used to keep pillow sacks full of money, like in his in his hotel suite or whatever. And he would just like give me cash. And at the time I thought like, man, like five thousand, six thousand, seven thousand. I was like, OK, it's cool. And then I would call my friends and we would go out to some of the, you know, things that college students do. Sure. Five thousand dollars in their pocket and have some fun. And at the time, I thought, like, this is great, man.

This is why I never thought about residuals or anything like that. That's almost better, though, than residuals. Like if you gave me the choice, you can either get five thousand dollars cash when you're twenty one years old in college, or you can get like five thousand dollars a year from when you're twenty five until thirty five. I would take the five thousand dollar lump sum in college and just go have a hell of a night. Yeah. Well, and I have great stories to tell. So, you know, yeah. So you've been around all these people, even counting Michael Jackson,

but all these athletes out of all of them, who commands a room the most? Who's that guy or girl who you walk in the room and it's just or they walk in the room and all eyes on them and they just have control of the room no matter what setting it is. It could be a boardroom. It could be a bar, whatever it is, they just are that person. I think it, you know, part of this answer might be because of, you know, what's happened, but Kobe was a rock star. Like I'd never really been around anyone like that.

And Kobe's, you know, what he was at the transition, obviously, like there was a pre social media Kobe era. And so like he kind of right now, like because everyone's all over social media, you feel like even if you don't know them, you know them because you've been around them through there. But Kobe had that. I remember like when we were working on the project, like we got to a point where like it was good, but it wasn't great.

And Kobe was like, Hey, man, we we're not done. We have a long way to go. And I was like, Kobe, we don't have any more money from the network showtime at the time. And Kobe's like, set up a meeting. We'll get the money. And I remember like walking into that building and he was like wearing sunglasses and everything.

And he it was like, oh, yeah, we're we should ask for more money because this guy just had a sort of charisma. And yeah, we walked out like, you know, with as much money as we needed to finish that project. So Kobe had that. I mean, look, I have a like a deep friendship with Tom. So it's it's, you know, I know him better. Better. Yeah. Yeah.

But so Tom has, you know, charisma, too. I think people are very curious about him and everything. But yeah, Kobe had this sort of rock star, like he used to fly. I mean, sadly, again, ironically, but in a helicopter, like it was like hanging out with Batman, you know, just like so special. Have you talked to Tom at all about it? Seems like he's coming out of his shell more. Have has that is that a conscious decision that he's like, this is going

to be different? Maybe maybe it's the Tampa move. Maybe it's the end of his career. But just he's definitely showing more Tom Brady than he used to. Yeah, I think it's like it's been the culmination of actually a couple of years actually in Tom versus time was a big part of like the catalyst for that. But I think it's just it's it's over time. And and I could, you know, I'm a Patriots fan.

I grew up so like I feel like I should have seen this coming. And I probably didn't see it coming. But then I just denied it because as a Patriots fan, I probably didn't want it to happen. But now looking back, I'm like, oh, yeah, like he had to leave. Like he just couldn't do it anymore in that environment. And and he still wanted to play. And I think he's really excited about the challenge in front. I mean, I've been down there, you know, in Tampa with him for a few days.

And it's like that he's he's got a different type of energy right now. Yeah, I've seen in the last few years. Interesting. As a filmmaker, do you have a limit in your head as to how often you can use Jimmy Shelter over Montage? I mean, it's you know, it's all about having good editors. And so now I mean, there's, you know, that's the great thing about sports. It's like so cinematic, you know, and so and every sport is different. Yeah, I had one last question.

So kind of the reverse of my last question. Who's the one athlete, big star that you've been around? And you can't say Tom Brady, because you just said that you know him so well that is just a regular guy or girl like they're you're shocked by, oh my God, they've done all this stuff and they just seem completely, you know, because we've been around athletes, famous people. It's no it's no diss on them that life changes when you have that type of stature. But then we'll meet a couple of people who be like, wait, they're just a regular dude.

Like they're just completely normal. You wouldn't even know that they were an NBA player, an NFL player, just by the way they talk and hang out. Yeah, good question. I mean, I have been around a lot, I feel like I do have to say somebody I know pretty well, you know, Harvey Interactive. So last year I worked with Steph Curry for like almost a year. And Steph, I mean, rock star quality in some ways, but also just like a really sweet,

humble guy, you know, always around family. He has three young kids, so that's a lot of hard work. He takes it really seriously. There's not like tons of help. He's, you know, doing everything a father has to do. So and like I went to the All-Star game with him last year, like when we were working together. And Steph was like, you know, he loves, what's it called, the place down in North Carolina. There's like a chicken, like a fast food.

Cookout? Bojangles? Bojangles. Yeah. Bojangles. Steph is obsessed with Bojangles. And he grew up down there. So it's like every moment he could, he was like, dude, let's go to Bojangles, you know? And it's just like a really sort of grounded guy in that way. So he was probably, yeah, the most relatable. And is there somebody that you want to work with really badly in sports or otherwise,

that maybe you're circling, maybe you've, you know, you thought about, but haven't quite gotten around to making that introduction yet? I mean, you know, like I kind of started with Kelly Slater. Like there's sports, actually, I would say that I'm almost like I don't know as much. I grew up a huge, you know, basketball, football, baseball guy. So, you know, I look at who is Hamilton, like Formula One. Or, you know, there's a lot of international soccer players that I find fascinating because it looks kind of not them necessarily, but what they represent.

So Mohammed Salah, who plays for Liverpool, like, you know, Ronaldo, who in my opinion is like probably the most famous person on the planet, which is its own weird, you know, fame is an interesting thing. So I kind of look at those just like those are interesting, you know, even bigger than the person. Those are things that are interesting. Well, this has been awesome, man. We really appreciate it.

Very interesting stuff. I also really appreciate you. I don't know if you realize what I did there, but I asked you for the biggest alpha and then the most regular Joe and LeBron wasn't your answer for either of them. Oh, interesting. Interesting. I don't know LeBron as well, like we're LeBron. Well, some of us are LeBron haters sometimes. Did LeBron try to trade you away from his filmmaking team

while he was working with you? You said he was the same off the court as on the court. No, he didn't. He didn't. But OK, so here's my thing about LeBron. LeBron is, I mean, we could sit around and debate and do the basketball court thing on the court, but like off the court, like what that guy stands for, what he's done and all of that stuff. I am a big liar.

That's the that's the thing. It kills me because I like hate LeBron, but I know he's such a good guy, which drives me insane. That drives me insane because I want him to be like I want someone to be like, yeah, he was a real asshole. It's like no one's ever said that. I mean, think about it like I mean, we won't veer into politics, but the next four months of what we're going to go,

who's the one athlete who's going to stand out and speak? Yeah, no. And stand for something. Yeah. Before we let you go, we're trying to expand into the Indian market by talking about cricket every now and again. And you did. You work closely. I'm going to butcher his name. Is it Tendulkar? Sachin Tendulkar. Yeah, pretty good.

Yeah. I'm the master blaster too. That might be easier. Oh, the master blaster. That's sick. Like a Stevie Wonder song. Would you can you give us like a real quick headline that maybe we can use to market to an Indian audience about their favorite cricket player? I mean, in a country of over a billion people of every faith in on the planet, there's one God and it's the master blaster.

You know, Sachin is he's everything. He's LeBron plus Tom plus Usain Bolt times a million in terms of what he means to that country and what he's meant to that sport. OK, he might be my answer now. And somebody asked me just who's the who's the greatest athlete on planet earth right now, the master blaster. I like that. Well, thanks, guys. It's super fun. Yeah, thank you, man. A lot of fun.

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Yeah, make these seeds extra HGH. All right, so his sheet, though, he did give us a sheet. Jake Paul got raided. He's on steroids. By who? The FBI. I thought you were talking about Twitch. No.

What happened? No, he shot a lot of guns. He had guns? Yeah. What is that? He had like guns, like they, there was like a, someone had like a helicopter or something, like over his house, and he's had like guns like, like chilling out in the backyard. So I think.

Not even like, they were just obviously like guns. Free range guns in his backyard. I think when you, I think you get to a point of wealth that you just run out of things that you can buy. So you're like, now I'm just going to buy a shitload of guns. Yeah. They're easily storeable. You can hang them on the wall.

They're almost artwork. And then when you buy a bunch of guns, you're like, well, someone might steal my guns, need more guns. Yeah. When we're at. A good vlog. Yeah. Yeah.

When we're at Dan Bilzerian's house, like half of this house is just guns because he's got to protect his gun. Yeah. He has the smaller guns up front and then as you go through the house, yeah, I think you're actually right because the more rooms you go through, the bigger they get. Right. Until he's just got like an atom bomb in the basement. So it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

You just need to keep buying guns until you have so many guns that your guns can never be touched. Also, I think when you're as universally hated as Jake Paul, you probably have a lot of people that want to kill you. Do we hate Jake Paul or is it Logan that we hate? I think we like Logan, right? Logang? I'm anti-Paul brothers.

Both of them? Yeah. Why? They're just the worst. The worst thing? Yeah. Yeah. Logan was a Suicide Forest guy.

Oh, I thought that was Jake. Jake is the gun guy. I thought Jake was in the Suicide Forest. Got it. No. OK. Yeah. So we disavow the Paul brothers.

Yes. Disavow all Paul brothers. And then also, I saw Ozzy Gean went after Nick Swisher. I fucking love Ozzy Gean. He needs to, I wish he was managing somewhere, but that guy, he will always speak his mind. He's fucking hilarious. I wish that he had a podcast with Jay Mariotti, actually. Yeah.

Forget Woody Page. Woody's fine on his own doing his own show. Yes. Just having those two go back and forth to be alive. He should actually do a podcast with Radio Legend from Chicago, Mike North, who they had many run-ins. And that would be, they would just oil and water. That's about it.

He called Jay the hard F word. Yes. Hard F. Yes. Let's see. Clemson was named number one. Friend. Yeah, friend.

Or my buddy. Good friend. So this actually is bad for Clemson because like 90% of Dabo's motivational skills come from saying nobody respects him. Yes. They're not unanimous. No. So not getting enough respect for Clemson.

We ticked that off the box. Wild beavers in England win right to remain at their homes. And that's when you know we've run out of things. And river otter. Billy just gets his animal planet portion. I agree that there should not be beavers in otter river. Yeah. You know what?

Mind your business, beavers. Yeah, exactly. That's not your river. Stick to your own. All right. So let's finish up with Firefest. Let's finish up with Firefest. We have a great weekend coming up.

There's PJ Championship. All the sports are back. So excited. Brooks. We didn't even mention Brooks. Brooks is tied for second. Dude, if I'm not going to say it, I don't want to jinx anything. If Brooks wins the PJ Championship, it would be sweet because I put in a bet.

By the way, he's a legend for life too. So Bubba is actually a sneaky gambling guru. I don't know if he knows anything about the sports that we've been winning on. But I've been asking him for his advice and picks. And as a unit, me and Bubba are six for seven in our last seven. But this is also. And we're heavily leveraged on Brooks to win the PGA. This is beginner's luck.

Ride him. Ride him. Oh, I am. Remember the first time, one of the first times you ever bet horses at Joe's on weed when we sat down and we hit like a trifecta? Yeah, that was my first race, I think. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, just let's bet this.

And then we hit it for like 200 bucks. Like, is it always this easy? Nope. Yeah. I don't think I've won a horse race since then, actually. So yes, ride him. OK. Bubba, give me your picks, too.

Thank you, Bubba. All right, let's do Firefest, Hank. I have a bunch. I have a bunch of Firefest. Oh, good. All right. Well, let me take off my shoes. OK.

My first one, speaking of vacations, I don't really take any. So I'm inexperienced in kind of the whole, like, how to figure things out. This right now is your vacation. You realize that. Like, your job is to be on vacation. And right now, your work is to be like on a beach somewhere and your actual vacation is behind that microphone. I like that.

All right, so I was trying to go back to work. My family had a trip planned. For some reason, I was always in the impression it was the first week of August. It's on Block Island. I was like, oh, I booked a. In Block Island. Yeah, in Block Island.

Booked a rent a car, got a ferry ticket, and then there was a big storm coming. And I was texting my parents. I was like, oh, I'm going to come actually Thursday morning, not Wednesday night. And they were like, well, we're not going to be there until next week. So I just had the completely wrong week.

But I put all the things forth scheduled. I got the time off from work. Luckily, that got approved by you guys. And I was just completely off on the week. Yeah, so how much money did you lose on that? A few hundred dollars. Oh, man, that's tough. Part-breaking, yeah.

If you work an extra week, though, then you'll get all that money back. True, true. I'm sorry, Hank. I appreciate that. Thank you. It means a lot coming from you guys. I know how much you tell me to take.

So next week, though, you're taking a vacation? Yeah. Oh, OK. So it's not. You missed the most important part. He's trying to work as much as he can. Right. His family just went and let him.

Right. Exactly. My second one is I watched Dr. Disrespect. We've talked about him on the show. He finally came back, went on a live stream. I watched it for an hour and a half. And it was just a holding screen. And he never actually went live.

And he's doing it tomorrow. So that was just a waste of, like, two hours. I thought he did another stream. I thought he did two streams today. He put out a song. Dr. Disrespect is addicted to making songs. He put out a song that didn't. A diss track.

No. Basically, he just likes to show off his voice, I think. OK. Yeah. He likes to show off his voice and likes to, like, his graphics are cool. Yes. That's pretty much it.

Right. So then he went live, quote unquote, but it was just a cool graphic that played for an hour and a half. And I was just sitting there with my putt in my hand, like, what the fuck? That's kind of cool. That's like the Red Zone channel.

If you go to it right now, you get a little taste of that. Yeah. Pretty much. I have breaking news. So I think we're going to play this live. I haven't listened to it. It's Brooks after the round. I think he's doing some trolling.

At the end of the day, I just feel good on playing good. And there's no reason to be scientific with all the numbers and stuff like that on Track 9, just go play. Wish you the best. Congratulations on the day. You just said, oh, my god. He knows exactly what he's done. I love it.

I love it. I actually did sit down and watch that video that Hank was talking about the other day, the, like, 15-minute long Y'all, it's Bryson DeShambo Saga about him coming home from his last round of golf. It is one of the more insane things in his Bentley that I've ever seen in my life. Building a house.

I have no idea what he was doing. There was one scene. He's like about to make breakfast. And he set up his camera on his kitchen counter right next to the refrigerator. And then he closed the refrigerator door and turned towards the camera just to show his stomach. And a six pack in it.

He deleted my aunt comment on Instagram last night. That's messed up. That's an aunt move. Big time aunt move. Are there aunts on the course this week? I don't know. Are there aunts in California? We should get on.

He's got to be. We should send him an aunt farm. Yes, we should. Yes, we should. But again, please stop tweaking Bryson the aunt emoji. He does not like that. And, you know, we're not trying to get under his skin too much. I don't like the fire ants.

Love it. All right, what else? And I have one reverse fire fest. OK, something really good that happened. Yeah, so, you know, a lot of AWLs downloaded the Playbarcel app. It got close to $200,000. But thankfully, well, not thankfully.

It's unfortunate. But apparently, people in Canada are not able to download the app because it's a different country and they have different regulations for that type of stuff. So I think that kept it under $200,000. So I don't have to get a cat. OK. OK.

So you killed a cat. So we keep that storyline going. We will someday get you a cat. Maybe. Yes. When we send Bryson an aunt farm, we will also send you a cat. Yes.

So you have to get a cat at some point. I'm in my word. When I put a cat pet on the line, I will always honor the bet. OK, PFT, what's your fire fest of the week? My fire fest of the week is I have to come up with new reasons and new ways to defend Tom Wilson. Oh, yeah, scumbag. No, he's not scumbag.

As I've said before, he's clumsy. Well, I need a workshop a few ways. I don't actually have any. This happens to be falling into people. So people are saying that Tom Wilson's running into people's backs and boarding them dangerously. Mashing brains. I don't think that that's the case at all.

I don't do the best I could come up with at this point is that people are afraid of Tom Wilson. They're afraid to make eye contact with him. And when you don't want to make eye contact with an alpha, like at a dog park, you'll never like look at the alpha dog. If you're a small little pooch, they will turn their backs on Tom as he's approaching and he accidentally hits them in the behind.

Have you thought about just saying, fuck it. And just put your hands up and be like, hey, you'd love him if he was on your team too. That's that's a great way. That's what you should just do. It's a great way to defend a guy like that. Right. Just be like, hey, guess what?

I know he's a scumbag. I don't give a fuck because he's my scumbag. He's a guy that you love to play with, but you hate playing against him. Right, which is just the best code for he's a fucking asshole. At least I don't think he's a fucking asshole. He's not at Avery levels. OK.

Avery was a pest. Tom Wilson at least is a scorer. Maybe there's something different about the customs in Canada that he's not getting acquainted with just yet. He's struggling with culture shock. Yes. In Toronto. And he's slipping.

Ice is slippery. Yeah. Yeah, no, the ice in Toronto is really, really bad. We went over this. Like if this was out in Edmonton, I think he'd be fine. He'd be fair play all the way. But nothing would have happened. As it stands, he is boarding people again.

And I'm going to have to do some mental gymnastics to convince myself that it's not intentional. My other fire fast news. I have more breaking news. Yeah, go for it. Sorry, I had to take off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Please, please, please, please.

President DeChambeau just broke his driver. Oh, yes. Oh, it moved. Wait, did we ever find the Rick Riley tweet, too? No. Did he break it? I guess, I don't know. Out of anger?

Out of rage? Out of some sort of rage? Maybe he got upset about something. That's as relatable as it gets. Yeah, actually, it is. No hard feeling. Oh, it broke. OK, so he might not have broken it.

It broke. Oh, it'd be great if he was fucking. He was holding it. If he was, it was a squirt or something. I don't know if that's like a court of law thing. But if he was holding it and it broke, he broke it. Wait, breaking news again. We have more troll, God.

I guess this was a commercial or something. Six eggs, five pieces of bacon, nine protein shakes. Please put that in there. That'd be good. He said what he's having for breakfast. He said eggs, bacon, and nine protein shakes. Oh, my God. Oh, I fucking love it.

Bryson is probably going to complain to the PGA. No, well, he's definitely calling it. Brooks is being mean to me. Absolutely. He's like Brooks is bullying me on the court. It's also perfect because it's golfing in. There is like this unspoken like gentlemen's rule. But why wouldn't like Brooks is competing?

It's Bryson. It's fucking sports. Yeah. What? Like it's trash talk. Who the fuck cares? Listen, I think that if DeChambeau wants people to stop bullying him, maybe then he should start doing the exact opposite of

everything that he's done in his entire life. But he would, you know, even if he did that, he would do it in like a scientific way or at least like a video of like, I'm going to do the Costanza. Yeah. No, he would have like saber metrics about who the most likable people in the world are. Like he'd pull up a Tom Hanks like like an Excel spreadsheet

logging every word that he said and then try to mimic those and then be like, yeah, OK, this is fake Bryson. You know what? I'm fine with this. I'm I'm glad that there's a rivalry in golf. We needed something like this. The Tiger filled just doesn't do it for me. Yeah, yeah.

Today was actually one of the first times that I've been watching golf and I've been more excited to watch somebody else besides Tiger. Hell yeah. It's been awesome. But yeah, I'm looking at this picture. It took us what like an hour and a half into the show. But fuck you, Bryson.

Yeah. Boom ding. Fuck you, Bryson de Chambleau. Christon go cry. Cry me a river. So the golf the head of his driver is just laying on the ground next to his feet. It's a very sad looking picture.

It does. You can't. It doesn't not look like an aunt's head. What holes he on right now? Because you're you can't like to under through six. So he's got a long way to go. You can't use a new club. No, you don't get a new driver.

Can he call a rules official over? Yeah, he probably did. He probably tried to duct tape it. I don't know my god. OK, here's what he said. What? He said, I guess it's all the swings I put in. Oh my god.

That's why you should never practice, Bryson. I guess I'm so strong. I didn't know my own strength. Again, this is a problem that Brooks would not have because he doesn't practice. Right, right. His clubs are fresh always. All right, my fire fest is another fire.

Oh, yeah, go ahead. My bed sucks. OK. My bed sucks now. It's broken. And so I dread getting in and out of the bed. The slats always collapse. Every morning I wake up with a backache now.

Feels like something you should fix. Yeah, well, I'm getting a mini-caling situation. Yeah, no, no, I've already put in order for a new bed. But in the meantime, like, have you? There's no worse feeling than being really tired at the end of the day or maybe after a 24 hour stream. And all you want to do is lay down your bed and you dread laying down on it.

You dread the feeling of the slats breaking underneath you. Yeah, I would have fixed that instantly. Well, that's not worth it. There's no way to fix it. I just have to order a new bed. And you know what that means? Now I have to assemble a new bed. Yes.

Sucks. All right, live on Twitch. Yes, let's go. All right, my fire fest is I actually got an invite to be a virtual fan. And I bought a hat that says Laker Dan. And I sat there for an hour waiting to get let in and never got let in.

Like a fucking idiot. And then found out Laker Dan hats. Yeah, I bought one at the store at the Laker store. It came with a mini flag, too. Are you joking? No. Yes, I'm joking. And then we found out that LeBron just invited all his fucking

kids from his school. Fuck you, LeBron. Those guys are those kids are in Akron. They're not real Laker fans. They're Cavs fans. I'm a Laker fan. Wait, he invited kids from a school on only 36. Wednesday night.

It was on a school night. It was like 6 30. So it was on on a school night. Nonetheless, yes. What about the second graders? Yes, being a second grader at one of those schools. Yes, just get fucked. They probably didn't learn anything this morning.

Dude, I'll remember this LeBron. You don't want Laker Dan to show up. I'm just going to say that. I'm really, really don't. But it's kind of a threat. So be careful, dude. All right, we'll see you every Monday. Love you guys.

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