Pardon My Take - Chris Berman, Super Bowl Week Is Here, Kyrie Tried To Highjack The Super Bowl And Tons More

Episode Date: February 6, 2023

Super Bowl Week is here and we're live from Arizona. The Pro Bowl happened (00:00:00-00:14:01). Kyrie traded to the Mavs putting an end to a hilarious chapter in Brooklyn (00:14:01-00:33:21). Who's back of the week including a big announcement about Max going to the Super Bowl with a very big disclaimer involved (00:33:21-00:53:40). Chris Berman joins the show to talk Super Bowl, football memories, Countdown, how to properly say The Raiders and tons more (00:53:40-02:23:14). We finish with the lottery ball machine (02:23:14-02:29:42).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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We're going to talk football. We are here in Arizona, live from Super Bowl Week. We are going to talk Kyrie to the Mavericks. He tried to hijack Super Bowl Week. We have Who's Back of the Week. And don't worry, we also have the lottery ball machine. We pre-taped it. So tune in to see if Hank won.

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Welcome to part of my take. Today is Monday, February 6th and we are here in Arizona Super Bowl Week. Arizona, we are inside you. It's a lovely place. Super Bowl Labs, everyone, check. Yeah, I'm good. Check, everyone.

Yep, yep, we all got our Super Bowl Labs. We did this. Came in nicely, told that little Italian Pete Prisco is gonna be gonna be eating off my Super Bowl Labs. He was wrong. I was right. We all got in great shape for this weather

and we're here. It feels great. Yeah, no, it's Super Bowl Week and there's a feel in the air. We saw Tom Renoldi in the airport walking around. We did. He had his headphones on.

Jake speculated he must be listening to the piano music. Yep. He just bangs that nonstop. Sad music, just looking at people being like I wonder how many people in his life have died from cancer. Just walking around thinking that

about everyone he sees. There was a guy holding a sign at the airport, apparently, that just said Floreo in big letters. So Mr. Big Shot's in town. Oh, damn. It's been pretty nice so far. Also, we should just note,

so we have a great show coming up. We have Chris Berman that we taped on Wednesday. We went back up to Connecticut for him. Hopefully it's gonna be our Super Bowl, like annual kickoff Monday of Super Bowl, the Schwam. But right now we're sitting in Arizona and we look like fucking idiots

because we don't have our mic stands because Hank forgot the mic stands. That's fine. Hank's in a rare form this week. Hank is ready to go. I think he knows that there are gonna be a lot of people saying a lot of mean things to him, so he's pre-mad.

And so it's kind of exuding. It's coming out of his... Hank's anger is oozing out of every hole. We got off the plane and he's like, Super Bowl week just feels a little different without the Patriots in it. I was like, Hank, have you thought that maybe a lot of franchises

don't go to Super Bowl week ever? Lions fans never have gone to Super Bowl week. That's just a reality. Browns fans have never gone to Super Bowl week. Jaguars fans have never gone to Super Bowl week. That happens. You're entitled, Hank. I never said that.

He did say that. I'm gonna have to start recording everything I had with you and put out a documentary about the truth. What you did say was it just doesn't hit different or it hits different without the Patriots. I love Super Bowl week. I've been to a lot of them.

Coincidentally, the Patriots have been over half the Super Bowl weeks I've been to, but even the ones they're not at, I still have a great time. It's great hanging out with the guys. It's great seeing everyone, all the fans and stuff. This is the anniversary of the first time the three of us ever hung out.

Yeah, it was nice getting off the plane being like, wow, eight years ago, a lot has changed. Come a long way. Yeah, we have. It's a little walk down nostalgia here where we're like, oh, back in Scottsdale, we actually have our own hotel rooms this time

and we're gonna have a great Super Bowl week. We have some awesome guests lined up. It's gonna be a blast. I'm looking forward to the game because Big Cat, we're good friends. Yeah. I put my bet in today. You did.

$8,500. So did Hank. Hank put in a bet for $3.20. He's like, I'm riding with you guys. Not a troll. But you know what? We don't... That's what I did.

Let's not feed the trolls, Big Cat. Yeah, you're right. Let's not, because that's what he wants. He wants the attention. No, I don't. He thrives on them. Hey, you do. You do.

I'm just here for work. I'm not trying to speak. I just want to do my job. No, you're not trying to speak. You just tried to take my chair during tonight's broadcast. We did. This is insane. We are not feeding the troll, Big Cat.

We are gaslighting. We're not made for them now that we're using for the gas lights. Don't feed the trolls. We're good friends at the Super Bowl. It's going to be a blast. It's going to be a blast. It is. It was weird waking up today with no football.

It always is like a jarring first Sunday without football. The Pro Bowl, I don't even know what... All I know is I tuned in a few times during the weekend, and it was like one time they were catching water balloons. Another time they were jumping off trampolines into a mat. Like, I don't know what they did with the Pro Bowl. Okay. I think actually what they did was genius,

because we all complained about how the Pro Bowl isn't real football, and like, why are they even playing the game? Whatever they changed it to, I want the old Pro Bowl. No, it's smart what they did, but I did read one headline about how the Pro Bowl turned out. So this will be our official Pro Bowl analysis of the game itself, the flag football game. Kirk Cousins leads NFC to a comeback.

So there you go. All the haters that say Kirk Cousins can't win a big game, he just won the Pro Bowl flag football challenge. I also read a headline, and I got to find it. It was... It probably wasn't even the NFC, it was probably like Team Eli or whatever. Yeah. Report Brown's defensive end, Miles Garrett suffered a dislocated toe

at the Pro Bowl games and limped off the field. Yeah. So even whatever games they were playing, dodge ball can be dangerous. I saw one highlight from the flag football game, and somebody lateraled the ball to Tyreek Hill as he was crossing the goal line, and Jalen Ramsey just laid them out on the sideline.

Somebody forgot to tell Jalen Ramsey that you don't hit and flag football, but it was awesome. Just to see like a little bit of contact, just to get you a little, like perk your ears up a little bit, football is actually coming back again this week. It was also... It was great to see them out there being like, you know what, this is actually exactly what the players

who deserve to be in the Pro Bowl, Tyler Huntley included. I saw them slinging it around. They were all just looked like violently hung over, half speed running around on the field. That part is perfect. That part is, it should be a reward to go to the Pro Bowl and not having to actually put on pads and be like, hope I don't get injured.

They did knock that out of the park, because you could see everyone had like sunglasses on, bucket hats. Devonte Adams was playing with sunglasses in a bucket hat, and he's just like, yeah, he probably partied all night. Why wouldn't you? He made the Pro Bowl. They did not invite Alvin Kamera back, right?

I don't think so. I don't think he's allowed in the state of Nevada. Are we ever going to find out, is he going to go to jail? Because I think his trial is still pending for that, isn't it? Yeah, I think so. And yeah, that one's weird. We had the Joe Mixon thing was weird because it like got... He had a warrant and then it was dropped.

He allegedly pointed a gun at somebody, got charged for menacing, which is a very cool sounding thing to be charged with, and then they just dropped the charges. He should just join John Morant's crew. Yeah, that might have been him. That was a wild story. You didn't hear about that?

John Morant, and we're going to talk about Kyrie in a second, but John Morant, there was a report out that he got in an altercation. His best friend and like some of his friends got an altercation with the Pacers when the Pacers were in town. And then after the game, when the Pacers were getting on the bus, his friends were like basically saying like, come fight us. And then they rolled out and there was a laser pointer pointed at players in the bus and they thought it was maybe a gun.

Kind of a little too far, I would say. They asked the NBA and they were like, hey, was the laser attached to a gun by any chance? They're like, we don't know, we can't comment on that just yet. I mean, if it was just a laser pointer, that's actually a hilarious move because everyone has had a phase in their life where they're like, laser pointers are cool. Let me see if I can try to point it in my friend's eye. Or if you have a cat, that's always fun. Yeah, I think someone brought a laser pointer to the office last week

and I was like, let me see that. And I was just trying to get people in the eye. It's fun. Wasn't there a laser pointer event at a NFL playoff game? I feel like Derek Carr might have gotten a laser pointer shined in his eye. I think Ronaldo complains about a laser pointer when they're not even there. I'm all for laser pointers. I just think that they should be green.

They should be excited for shining laser at Tom Brady. Okay, there we go. They should be green. Green laser pointers always play. Once the red dot gets involved, I've watched too many action movies to fuck with those. Yeah. The red dot feels like, you're like, what the hell is going on here?

Yeah. So yeah, that was a serious story. The other football story is Aaron Rodgers just playing in a pro-am, winning it and getting asked where he's going to play. Seemed like every hole. Yeah. Every single hole he was asked where he's going to play. People making Raiders jokes, Jets jokes.

I just want to say memes. You're sitting right here. He's a Jets fan, Raiders fans. Don't become pathetic here. The guy is a jerk. Don't be pathetic like begging for him. He's a jerk. Don't belittle yourself.

I would also say the more that you want him, the more likely you are to push him away. Yes. You want him to come to you, be like, yeah, be cool if Aaron played with us. But once you start to smother him, then he's more likely just because he is an asshole, he'll be like, well, they really want me,

so it'd be cool if I broke all their hearts. Yes, exactly. Do we have any other coach hirings? I know that the Colts are doing like four-day interviews. Yes, so they're doing like... Only to hire Jeff Saturday, right? So, Jim Mercer is doing like 12-hour interviews with these coaches.

And I think they're on their third round right now. I think Jim Mercer just wants people to hang out with. Yes. That's what it comes down to. He just wants to like take people on a tour of his house, show them his weird guitar collection, show them his patchouli walking closet. See how long he can go to the bathroom with,

you know, four without them freaking out. Yeah, again, I have to say, I'm in favor of Jim Mercer using the restroom as long as he wants to. Yes. I would never walk out of that. Well, you have to take a shit after you do the cocaine. It would be nice if he offered the cocaine, though.

That's a fact, right? Yeah. It's definitely what happened. Actually... You'd be like, dude, you can't... He's in a house, probably a nice bathroom. That happens quickly. The red flag was probably him not offering

Josh McDaniel's wife cocaine. Yes. She was like, that guy's rude. At least offer. At least. Yeah, I don't think we had any other coach hirings. I know the Cardinals are doing interviews. Yeah, I think that's it.

The Panthers hired the Broncos defense coordinator. Yeah. But yeah, that's about it. Yeah. So, and we're going to talk, obviously, more Superbowl, all of our props, everything as the week goes on. Let's... So, we have a rowback question with Chris Berman,

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Okay. Kyrie Irving tried to... He tried to hijack Super Bowl Week. Let's just say that right now. I have a place we can start. I want to read a quote to you about Kyrie Irving and how excited he is. So, he says...

So, this is a tweet. Have been told that Kyrie is ecstatic about the trade looking forward to playing for Brad Stevens and understands the Celtics tradition. Oh, wait, sorry. That was from 2017. Here's the quote. Kyrie Irving is said to be ecstatic about the trade

to Dallas Mavericks and looking forward to joining forces with Luca, a league source tells NBA on TNT. Literally the exact same quote, five years, six years apart. He's ecstatic. He's ecstatic on both ends. I think it's a good move for the Mavericks because he only has half a season

for his team cancer to spread. So, this is like a good window for Kyrie. Once the first off-season ends, who knows what he's going to come back with next year? He's going to be like, the JFK assassination didn't even happen. He's going to get nuts in Dallas. He's going to get some weird stuff.

But for the first like four or five months, I think that's fine. It's hard to destroy a brand new team in like four months. I think Kyrie's up for the challenge. If anyone can do it, he's the man for the job. I think it's going to be... It will just be whether or not they agree to pay him what he wants.

He wants a max deal. That was how it all fell apart with the Nets. They were like, dude, you barely play. And when you do play, you also like mix in a little bit of, hey, let's have headlines about the anti-Semitic documentary you're tweeting about or these weird comments. Why would you give him $200 million in four years? So, they're like, we don't want to do that.

He wants that. Will the Mavs do it? If they say no, he's probably going to be just as mad. Yeah. So, they had offers and pretty good offers from the Lakers. The Lakers offered Russell Westbrook. Oh, great offer. They offered...

They said, tell you what, we've got a great, you know, former All-Pro guaranteed triple-double guy, Russell Westbrook. Let's get him out there. It was him, two first-round picks, swapping another pick, and that's where he wanted to go. He wanted to go to LA, reunite with LeBron, which I was kind of rooting for because that would have blown up. That would have blown up pretty quickly, I think.

It would have been hilarious. And we also got the all-time emo LeBron tweet. He just said, after an hour after the trade was announced, he just tweeted, maybe it's me. Yeah, it's so good. Maybe it's... What? We had to make that a segment of the show.

Whenever we fuck up something, maybe it's me. Maybe it's me. I love LeBron. I know that we give him a lot of shit, but I actually... I love LeBron because he's basically a billionaire, right? He's been a top two player on most teams that he's been on, one of the all-time greats.

Three in the heat. Probably number three on the heat. That first year when he scored eight points in game four, I think it was. And he's like an international icon, but he still has big time. Like, I really wanted to kiss you tonight, energy. Yeah, maybe it's me.

Where my hug at. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like, that's... He basically tweeted a text where it's like you've texted a girl five times in a row with no response and just maybe it's me. The only thing that would have made it more melodramatic was putting the two dots after the maybe it's me.

Not even the full three ellipses. Maybe it's me. Maybe it's me. Well, LeBron, it is you because it is your team. You have created this team. So this one isn't on LeBron because they specifically did not trade him to the Lakers. Josiah said that they were doing whatever they could to not

fulfill Kyrie's presumed objective, which was going to the presumed objective is such a funny word. The counterpoint would be the Lakers have done everything. Like they got Anthony Davis because they traded their entire team. Anytime LeBron wants them to trade something, they've just now come around to being like maybe we shouldn't give in to everything you want. But yeah, maybe it is you.

Yeah. Kyrie knew that they were going to do that and told them, like he called their bluff. What do you mean? He told the Nets who wanted to play with the Lakers knowing they wouldn't trade him to the Lakers because they thought that's what he wanted. You know what?

That breakdown of this, that's exactly how Kyrie Irving, if he were in your position, would analyze that. Like six layers of 7D chess. I do like that we now get to do the only one ball because it is like Luca and Kyrie are the epitome of only one ball. Both guys need the ball at all times. I'm excited to see it work out though. I think not work out to me.

I think it might work out. I don't know. You know, it would have worked out paying Jalen Brunson like a max contract because he's fucking awesome. I know he probably wanted to go to New York and it felt like that's what like he wanted to do that. But still, you basically just traded, you know, two decent players like good role players for Kyrie Irving when you could

have maybe signed Jalen Brunson to a long-term deal. Who's really fucking good. You think they're going to like him in Dallas? I think the Dallas fans are going to like Kyrie Irving. I don't know. I feel like this is, I read a quote. I think it was on the athletic. Like initially.

Yeah, the athletic put it, someone put it on. I can't remember who wrote it, but I was reading it on the plane and it was put perfectly. They're like, this trade to the Mavericks raises their ceiling, but makes the floor lava. And that's perfect. Like that's exactly what it is. Like they're, yes, in a world where this all works out,

you now added like, I mean Kyrie Irving is, that's the best part about Kyrie Irving is even after all the shit that said he's still every NBA players favorite player because his handle is great and he's a walking bucket. He could say, he could do anything and be like, yeah, well, he's a walking bucket. So the problem is that you do run the risk of completely alienating your entire relationship, Luca.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's the lava part. Luca could, he could hate playing with Kyrie so much that he could end up resenting the Mavs front office for this move. Right. And then now you've lost your star player. Right. Exactly.

So that there's the lava and it's, yeah, but Kyrie, yeah, like he'll show up. He'll be awesome. He's going to be staring at everyone at the Texas flag counting the points on the star. Okay. All right. Yeah, I can play here.

He's just going to, I mean, it's, it is funny. So I want to reiterate the, so these are the three quotes. So after Kyrie hit the big shot in 2016, the, the calves win. Everything's great. That off season was, yeah, that off season, he was basically like, I want, I'm sick of playing with LeBron. Oh no, it was the next off season. He was sick of playing with LeBron, went to the Celtics, got

traded. He said, the, the, the tweet is, had been told that Kyrie is ecstatic about the trade, looking forward to playing for Brad Steeves and understand the Celtic tradition went on the Celtics. Didn't he go in front of the fans being like, I'll stay as long as you'll have me. Was that his exact quote, Hank?

Where he's like, I'll stay as long as you guys will have me. And then demanded a trade from there signed with Brooklyn said, in my heart, I always knew I wanted to play at home. I'm happy to be in Brooklyn. I played 143 of 278 possible games in three plus years at the Nets. Katie and Kyrie played 74 games together. Katie Kyrie and James Harden played 10 games together.

And then today says Kyrie is said to be ecstatic about the trade of Dallas Mavericks and looking forward to joining forces in Luca. It's just, it's going to keep happening. He's, he's, it's the old saying, like when someone tells you who they are, like, listen, this is who Kyrie is. He's going to be upset in a matter of months. And he's going to want to be somewhere else.

And then he's going to go sign a Mac somewhere. And then a year from that, he's going to be like, I don't like it here. And it's going to keep happening. What about for the Nets? How does that work out for the Nets? The new big three that's going to be scary. It's, it's Ben Simmons, Spencer Denwitte and Katie when he gets

back from injury. Yeah. And Dorian Finney Smith and a future 2029 first round pick. So what I really wish it happened is the offer that the Phoenix Suns had made. I wish that had gone through because Chris Paul would have then come to New York to play for the Nets. Chris Paul, Katie.

And you want to talk about expectations on Chris Paul's shoulders this postseason. And there's no chance that that Nets team would have won the championship. And that would have been so much more powerful for us to be like, Hey, Rosillo, explain yourself in just another year flaming out with the Phoenix Suns. It really like these, this four years of the Nets is

fascinating to look at because they, they went all in with all three of these guys. And I guess it's like more of a tech, because remember this past off season when they got swept by the wamping by the Celtics and then Kyrie said Katie and I are going to co-manage the team. Yeah. No, coach the team.

Yeah. No, it was co-manage. I think he was like talking about the roster and stuff. Yeah. So it really shows like, you know, at some point you have to also build a team where guys want to be there and not just be like, let's get, you have to take the shot with Katie and Kyrie. It just blew up in spectacular fashion.

I don't think we knew that Kyrie was like fully Kyrie at that point. Well, and Katie's also asked for a treat too. Yeah. Yeah. So it's been a disaster. He might not show up. It's a warning sign.

Like sometimes it's bad to go all in. You can be too all in. Sometimes just the tip is better. Yeah. And you just, you, you let the players, you let the players decide they're going to co-manage the roster. Yeah. It could have some ramifications.

It could backfire. Okay. So as, as much of a shit show as it's been on the court, I feel like, I feel like the, the Nets ownership, they've got a lot of questions to answer for all this because, because of the way, not only did they say co-manage the team, but Kyrie was also like, yeah, we don't really have a head coach. It's going to be most of us that take turns.

And Steve Nash was like, what? He's, Steve Nash got to be the big winner out of all this. Oh, huge. Yeah. Steve Nash. Like I told you guys, it was not possible. And this is proving it because Katie, like he could just say, I don't want to be here either.

And, and I, I don't know what they do then is just Ben Simmons. Is your selling Nets tickets with Ben Simmons? Do you think that you could have found like any worse, more drama filled teammates to be on the Nets than they've had actually on the roster over the last three years? Like, are there any players that are huge headcases that blow up teams in the NBA that haven't played on the Nets? No.

They've collected all of them. Yeah. They, they truly have. It's, it's wonderful to watch. I guess, I guess you could say for the Nets, they did trade in the Kyrie Irving trade. They traded Markief Morris. So that would be, you did get like the Morris twins are always

ready for something. You know what? I kind of like Markief Morris fitting in in Dallas. Yeah. Give us a little legs to him. So no one's going to fuck with Luca anymore. You need some edge. No one's, don't let Markief find out that someone dated his mom.

He'll get fucking pissed. He'll get real pissed. But yeah. So who won the trade? I'd say America. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I, here's how I think it will go is I think the Mavs will

probably like they'll torch some team in the first round and everyone will say, look at this, this is real. And then either Kyrie will get hurt or decide not to show up or something will happen and they won't win a title. And then this off season. Yeah. Like there's just no way that this is going to end. There's no way.

Could you imagine us sitting here right now? What if I told you like, yeah, Kyrie loves it in Dallas stays for the next five years and they win two titles. You know what? That's good. That just doesn't make sense. I might put some money down on the Mavs. We're in the championship.

Yeah. Just because what if, yeah, that'd be, can you imagine that it's, it's late June, whenever the NBA finals start this year and welcome to part of my take. It's like June 21st and the Dallas Mavericks are world champions. Congrats Kyrie Irving. Their offense is going to be insane. That's the craziest part about the nets when, when it was, when

they all were healthy. Remember what was the Hank remind me? So they got swept by the Celtics last year. The year before they beat the Celtics in the first round. Is that right? I believe so. I think there was a game where Harden, yeah, 104 points, Kyrie, Harden and KD like, and if, if KD's foot isn't on the line in that

game seven against the box, it could have all worked. Yeah. That's true. That's true. They were that close to having it actually maybe work. If his foot was like one size smaller. Right. Yeah.

So, so as bad as it all fell apart, like in theory, when they all three were healthy and wanted to be there, it's really just COVID's fault. COVID fucked up. Well, they could have fucked with the wrong people and that's Kyrie Irving decided not to play. Honestly, it was, it was the sickest 2K team of all time. Yeah. It's, it's also crazy because if COVID like if, if, if like Monkey

Pox comes back now Kyrie can play because he's in Dallas. Yeah. So that's true. Open it up restrictions. Yeah. Yeah. But the whole thing is just very funny. And the LeBron, maybe it's me, just so perfect.

I actually am happy the NBA did this because it is nice to like right when football ends, get into NBA. See like there's like, fuck it, we're all in. So there's going to have the craziest shit happen. LeBron definitely thought that he did something too because before the trade was announced, he tweeted out eyeball emoji, crown emoji. So I think that's him being like, the king's done it again. Yeah.

Brought Kyrie to LA. But he, he definitely did something because Kyrie hated him. Kyrie didn't talk to him. Remember before he got traded, the reports came out that they just weren't speaking. He would just show up and, and they wouldn't talk. They were like, Mike, the mad dog. And what now Kyrie's cool.

Like they're because they've been apart for a while. I guess Kyrie, Kyrie will hate everybody that he's in close quarters with if he spends enough time with them. I actually kind of feel bad for KD a little bit. Same tiny bit because he did. I think the internet might have bullied him a little too hard with the legacy talk because like imagine if he just stayed with the Warriors. Yeah.

That was a pretty sick situation. Instead, he was like, fuck it. I'm going to start my own thing with the craziest people I can find. And then like, like playing with James Harden, Ben Simmons and Kyrie, I would say makes you appreciate Steph Curry a lot more. Oh, for sure. He probably texts, he probably writes out text messages to stuff at like two in the morning and then to lead some being like, I can't show my hand.

Like I miss you. Like I'm sorry. I, it is your team. I should have been okay with that. If I was, if I was KD, I would just get out of town. I wouldn't want to play in person. There's a chance. There's a chance.

He's injured right now. There's a scheduled update, I think on his injury tomorrow. Like the Nets had said they're going to give everyone an update. The update might just be like, yeah, we talked to KD. He doesn't want to play. You don't be sick. If KD demanded a trade to the Lakers. Yeah, but that's actually the worst part for KD because out of all the bullshit

aside, I actually think that Kevin Durant loves playing basketball more than any other player in the NBA. Like he just loves playing basketball. And when he's not playing, he's watching basketball. He's like on those like hoop head Twitter accounts, like watching people's handles at lifetime fitness. Right. So it's got to kill him that this is all happening because he just wants to play

basketball. Yeah. And it was a plan that was decent on paper that just completely blew up in every fashion. Okay. God damn it, Kyrie. You've done it again. I hope he demands a trade in like a week.

And I mean, I honestly, I wouldn't put it past him to blow up the team before the playoffs start. But on the other hand, like I can, he wants, this is the perfect scenario for Dallas because you don't have a long-term commitment to Kyrie right now. You say that you're interested in giving him a max extension. I don't know how far along those talks are going if they've even started, but they were, they're open to it or else they weren't have traded for them. Well, you'd hope because if I think they're open to it, but they have, I think you

have to be more than open to it. I think you have to be like, we traded for you because we're going to sign you for a long-term deal. If I'm Mark Cuban, I give that a little 90 day cooling off period before you sign it to like any long-term contract. And the craziest part, like of all the nuts stuff that's happened with Kyrie, he's still awesome. He's been awesome this year.

He's been like carrying the nets this year with KD out. He's averaging 27 points. He's, he's an awesome player. That's, that's my point back to like every player loves Kyrie because I think every player sees his games. Like he can do stuff that very, very few people can do. Wimbayana. Wimbayana.

No, Wimbayana's handles aren't that tight. No, he's like 17. That's like saying tight handles. Tight handles, sick handles. Yeah. Stephen A. Smith is probably pretty pumped up because when Kyrie makes the Mavericks flame out hard, that's double dipping on Cowboys. Yeah.

Yeah. He'll be like, Jerry, come on over. Yeah. Let's talk about this. He's not happy. Right. He can't. He doesn't want to see that.

I'm sure he does. Yeah. He doesn't. He thinks Mark Cuban is like a young hotshot kid. Yeah. Right. Still, even though he's like six. He's like six.

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Oh, you stole mine. Yeah. Shot down. Yeah. We got it. Waited till it went all across the country. Ladies and gentlemen, we got him. Yeah.

Well, so if you know anything about air to air ordinance, big cat, you would understand that firing an AM9X sidewinder over populated cities can result in some pretty significant damage to the populations below. Yeah. Montana, very popular. Yeah. So listen, we didn't, it's the F 22 is first kill. We should show some respect.

First confirmed kill for that like 85 billion dollar program. So it shot a hot air balloon down, which is pretty hilarious. Yeah, it is. What we spent all that money for. It was also very funny, uh, like, I don't even think it was a press conference. Biden just got off his plane and he just sometimes starts rambling. And he's like, I told him to shoot down Wednesday and they told me that we couldn't until it was safe.

Okay. Like I wanted credit for shooting. Like, yeah, okay. Cool. Yeah. We should, I guess. Yeah. We probably should have shot down Wednesday, but we had to wait till it was safe.

I put together a plan for shooting this thing down. What about just a giant needle on the tip of the airplane? What about just like, get someone who just went to the cal? What about, what about someone who wants to get a manicure? Just pop it like that. Well, yeah. That's what I'm saying. You put a giant needle on the nose corner of the plane and you fly the plane directly

into it and then you just eject right before it hits the balloon. It was, that's what I would have done. It was cool to see it go down though. Fuck. Fuck that. Fuck that Chinese air balloon. I'm anti balloon. How many times have they been doing this?

So there was a report that it happened three previous times. I saw the flight path. It was pretty cool. It started. It went all the way through Alaska and then it came down through Canada and then it went through Montana, uh, through like Missouri and then drifted across with a jet stream. Nebraska. But was it all off to just air flow?

Yeah. Uh, so they're unsure. So what they did was they fired a sidewinder missile at it that usually has like a detonated explosion in it, but this one didn't have the explosive. They just like hit it with a missile because they're trying to keep all of it intact for when it fell into the ocean, they go like, recover it and see what the fuck they were doing. So we don't know what it was doing just yet.

We'll find out. We're going to find out and they won't tell us, but we're going to find out, but Biden wants credit. So shoot that thing down on Wednesday. I would have shot it down so fast. I honestly could have shot that thing down. It was just cool to have. It was actually nice place in place of football on Saturday to just be like, oh, we're just

going to watch this balloon get shot. It's always nice to see an explosion and just everybody watching it go like, fuck yeah, America. We did it. We got it. We shot, we shot a balloon that, that we let fly over our entire country first. Yeah. We nailed that piece of shit.

We got it. We fucking got it. Uh, okay. Good. Who's back PFT? Yeah, I was going to say my who's back was American air superiority, but that's fine. If it flies, it dies. That's what I always say.

Hell yes. Meme's just in a tech. So I'll just say who's back potentially Chris Paul. Oh, the Phoenix sons are prepared to pursue Brooklyn net star Kevin Durant. Should he become available? League source is still in the TNT. That scares me a little bit because I do think that the sons with Kevin Durant, the future has already gone up.

They would probably become a significant threat to my Mavericks. So what? No, my nuggets. Excuse me. But I do feel like Kevin Durant on that team would be, he would be a nice piece to add. It'd be very fun. Yeah. I mean, why would it be so great if they didn't win the championship with Katie on

that team? Yeah, it would. It would just be, well, they would. So what would the trade be? It would be Chris Paul and picks and something else to the nets. I'm not a cap. I'll just, yeah, it would just be so if we would get, if that happens, we're still is on the next show.

Probably Jay Crowder would be involved in that deal. Yeah. I'm watching, watching the nets lose in the first round, like it's swept by Giannis or something and be like, Chris Paul, what happened? Thoughts. It'd be incredible. Yeah. Now, Kevin Durant on the sons would shake things up.

The West is crazy. The West would be so fun. The West has, every team could win it right now and every team is within like five games of each other. Go for it, sons. Every team except the Lakers. Except for the Lakers. They're, I think two games out of, no, let's see.

I want to actually, let's, let's, let's look real quick, the Lakers, I believe are in the playing game. No, they're too, too hot of the playing game. Everyone's, but they're only five games out of the three seed. They're only five games out of the three seed. That's a fact. Yeah. That's how crazy the West is right now.

Um, okay. My who's back is Max. Max, you want to come sit down? You want to take a mic real quick? So Max is back because I've decided I'm going to play a little fun game with Max. Uh, it is a Super Bowl. It is birds. He's got his Philly sweatshirt on now.

I've told Max, I've told Max this before. So I didn't want to, yeah. What is it? Oh, you were in the sweatpants where you look like you're, you're, you're, you're a dad of four and you're just trying to shovel all the kids into the van as you yell at them and you like have like maybe some gogurt and throw up on those pants. That's what it is. Normal sweatpants.

Those are the pants you, you, you put on on Saturday morning. We're on the same side right now. What? We are. We are on the same side right now. Yeah, we are. We are. I, I am jealous of those pants.

I would wear those pants on Saturday morning. I think my third grade female art teacher has pants. They're very comfortable pants. They're very comfortable pants. She was showing me how to make pottery and shit. Yeah. Those, that's actually Max is wearing the Chinese balloon that got shot down right there.

Yeah. Same material. No, they're comfortable pants. They're in style. You guys just don't get it. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. They're not in style.

No, they are. No, they are. No, they are. No, they are. Max is very defensive today. Well, it's, it's birds week. All right. It's a big week.

Yeah. It's a big week. It's a big week. So I've told Max this before because I didn't want to put them on the spot. We've, we've had that happen with the Ray Allen tweet and it went poorly. So I'm doing a better job of that. But here's the deal. Roman obviously knows the future.

I have it play with the Eagles and I've decided that Max and our good friend, Ron, you might know him as, uh, was it was Angelio Paladonio? Max is going to the Super Bowl. I am buying him tickets, shout out game time. And there's only one rule. The rule is if the chiefs win, he has to pay me back every single dollar plus interest. What? Where's the interest?

Well, I'm going to charge you a point a week. So if it's like four grand tickets, you can pay him back later on that night and pay him in full. No, yeah. If you don't have the cash on you. You don't have to do that part. I was just out of that part. But yes.

So you are going to the Super Bowl, which is incredible because you get to see your team play in the Super Bowl. I still have in process. It's exciting. It's a huge moment. But if they lose, you have to watch your team lose the Super Bowl and also pay me back for the Super Bowl tickets. Correct.

Then free tickets because I'll be as happy as it could be. Yeah. Thank you very much for. Well, you don't thank me yet. No, well, I mean, regard, I mean, you guys are going to win. Yeah. Shut up, Hank. There's also, I've also made it very clear.

So this is the part where AWL is win is they either get to see Max cry and yell said and maybe beat up a small child at the Super Bowl, which we will document. If the chiefs win, you're paying me back, but you're also like hustling back to this room where I will berate you for the entire episode on something. Yeah. No, it's it's pretty clear that there is there is no in between of it's either the number one best day of my entire life. Life.

Yes. Or the number one worst day of my entire life. Like the the middle grad like the five grand just puts so much more. Well, here's the question. How nice the tickets do you want? Five grand. You sure? You don't want to be sitting like you're not going to pay for 50 yard line.

We might have to pay for it. We might have the 20 grand a ticket. I mean, what are we doing here? What are we doing? How deep in Big Cat's pocket do you want to potentially do you want to just use up the entire future? Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing.

Big Cat. 90 grand tickets. I mean, I got to talk about Max if Matt if you buy an $80,000 Super Bowl ticket for Max and he loses and he now always you a Max might actually kill you. He's going to do a big sale. You don't want to be 80 grand in debt to somebody. We would put on the greatest YouTube stream of all time of donations. No, I'm looking at game time right now.

There's some really good seats for like the four grand range. I'm worried about Max though. I'm worried about Max and his Eagles because he cut his hair and you had such strong long what? Powerful hair. You cut your hair. Max went out on Friday and got a haircut. It took like five inches off.

Five inches. You remember when the Astros were up on the Nationals in the World Series and Chap shaved his beard? Yeah. That's what happened here. This is like right before someone has to admit that they committed a grisly murder. They cut their hair and then they go in and talk to the police or they go into court wearing glasses.

Yeah. Okay. Oh, no, you're fine. He's not. No, no. Big guy. It was like down a year. That's this is long hair.

I know a little trim before Super Bowl. Yeah. When you you never wear your hair down and on the sides, it's very it's very obvious. No. Yeah. Well, the size I want. I got it. I got it.

The sides trimmed up a little bit. That's maybe that's where the Eagles got their power from. I didn't think you're like Sam. I didn't think about it when I went and got the haircut. It was really my mother was looking at the stream and she was like, you better go get your haircut before the Super Bowl week. Does she know that the birds are in the Super Bowl? Yes, of course.

Max, have you cut your hair at all this season? No. Oh, God. Let me ask you this. How nice, how nice is your parents house because I might, I might be taking the mortgage. Yeah. No, no, there's, there's a lot of things that could be going on here. You are they, are they willing to sign my parents are on our own board with me doing

this. Okay. Sometimes they don't like if I'm financially irresponsible, but this is, this is responsible. I mean, it's, it's, it's the only option. Yeah. Right. And I just want to clear because there will be people who will be like, Oh, big cat. Like if the chiefs win, take pity on Matt, I will know because it has to feel like this

because I don't want you to think in the back of your head like, Oh, maybe he'll be not. No, no, no. It has to, we need to feel the pressure. I want, so this is basically like a five, like a $5,000 bet for me. Like the biggest bet I've ever placed in my life is I think $500. Okay. So this is 10 X, 10 X of that, but you could have the greatest, but your entire life and there's no in between.

If the Eagles win, you go party, you call in like we'll call you like Hank has done that. You don't have to rush back here. Three times. Yeah. I'm all right. I walked into that. But you like you go party.

You know what I mean? You call in Ron. I'll have the greatest night of our life ever because I don't think your flight's still later on in the morning. Yeah. Two 30. If the chiefs win, you're back here. I want you.

I'm going to make you cry again. Oh. No, I think there's a serious, like we always joke about me crying. Like if the Eagles lose on Sunday, there's, there's a serious, serious, serious, serious situation. Okay. We'll save it because I want to see you cry. I think you're going to cry if they win.

Maybe. Yeah. Tears. Tears. Oh, I can't. This is, you're going to cry either way. I, there, this game is seven days away. And.

Shall I buy the tickets right now on game time? No, we got to talk to Ron. We got to talk to Ron. That sounds like you're having second thoughts. No. No, no, no, no. I think the hair thing has actually gotten to him. I think that.

I could wear these pants. They're great pants. All right. We'll buy the tickets on Wednesday show on game time. Shout out. Yeah. Yeah. I like that.

Maybe we bring, maybe we bring Ron in. Yeah. That's perfect. We'll talk about it. Yeah. Cause he's going to, he will have to be in attendance if the chiefs win. Yeah. Back here.

We're doing that. Yeah. Me and Ron are in this together. I want him holding like a, a tissue dabbing your eyes while you try to tell us how you fucked up. Like I'm going to be talking to you like you, you played a hundred snaps. I'm going to be. I'm going to be like I played a hundred.

Like I think that I will feel worse than like the player on that. Do you have your game day attire picked out like in terms of the jersey that you're going to wear? No, I'm wearing. I'm wearing barcel merch. Okay. Okay. Like the sweatshirt.

I was going to say, don't buy anything new. No, no. We're going to, there's going to be a frugal week for your boy. The only other thing we have to figure out is how we're going to, are we going to get maybe a GoPro? Should you bring in a GoPro face that your face? Yeah. We're going to play the whole time.

I'd watch the whole thing, especially if the chief's one, I'd watch the whole thing. I'd be like, I need that footage and I would save it for a dark place. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to. It's going to be the best night of my life. I'm just going to say that.

Okay. All right. You sound, you sound very sure. Listen, I want to fuck. Max is so nervous going to this game. It's like you, right now you're more nervous about the game than the actual Eagles are. Yeah. Yeah.

No, that's what I'm saying. Like I am going, like I've never felt more a part of a game than I am going to feel. I would love, or you get some, like some practice reps in this week. Yeah. Just watch old game tape. Yeah. I should watch the seven. I should watch the, the Eagles bats Super Bowl, just to like remind myself that it can

happen. It can lose. No. Oh, which one? Yeah. No. I would love for nothing more than for you to owe me $0. Yeah.

That would be, that would be amazing. I'd be just as happy as you. All right. All right. Max is who's back. I'm nervous for him. I've just basically. It's a lot of pants.

They're great pants. They're insane. Great pants. Subscribe to our YouTube and like the, like the video. They're just, the pants are just insane. Well, no, is that the first time he wore me, like ripped his pants and had to buy them. So that's like an emergency situation. It looked like he just wears them all the time.

But don't you think like it's not like buying any pants you buy for like a, you know, my pants ripped. You got to just buy any pants you can get your hands on. This is just like every week. This is the dude who has, who has four kids. He's at the, he's at the hockey rink on Saturday morning at seven a.m. Just hoping that the, the, the ref calls something bad and he can get into a fight. These are some major I give up pants.

Yeah. That's exactly. On, it was the day of Penn State was in the Rose Bowl. I was getting into an Uber and my pants literally ripped like my, my dick was hanging out of my pants. Like all up in my crotch was, was ball, dick and balls were out of my pants. So I went in and these, these were the best things I could find, but they're super comfortable. Yeah.

These were my flying pants. It's like if, if a janitor wore Jinkos, that's what we're looking at. You, you, you wear pants like this. Yeah. It just major like, I want to just, on ironically. How are the clutch jeans? Yeah. I break them out on special occasions.

It's major. I want to yell at children pants, his own or others. There's a chance that that's how this week ends. That's like what that giant dude that, that won the senator position in Philadelphia. That's like what he would wear to court. Yeah. Max, I don't want you wearing those shoes on Sunday. Okay.

All right. We, I mean, he bought those shoes because you lost to the commanders. That was the only game that jailing hurts. Those are great points. Those are sick eagle shoes. You were wearing shoes of the commemorates. The only time jailing hurts lost this season is in a game you played. Do you think, do you think that might be a problem?

Do you think that might be an issue? I've worn them the past few playoff games because PFT, you said the same thing to me in the, in the NFC championship. Do you remember? I mean, they, you want to know what size shoe you wear. 12. Put these on. You look a lot better.

You look more like a dad. Get those out of there. You're going to, you're going to show your socks. All right. Jake, finish this off before we get to the Schwam. My who's back is Duke. Yes. They snapped their losing streak, their two game losing streak, North Carolina over the

weekend. What were the two games you lost? And they are one and O. They lost coach K's final home game and in the final four. Oh, wow. And they are one and O in the post coach K are against North Carolina. Yeah. What about the rest of their record?

Where are they in the ACC right now? They're in the top half, I believe. Oh, top half. What's the Duke standard? I would say no. Miami minus four tonight, hammer play against Duke. Yeah. So congratulations to Duke.

They snapped the losing streak against UNC. I watched the whole thing. Coach K should come back. Oh, it's sad what's happened to the program since he left. I watched the whole game and it bummed me out because both Huber Davis and John Shire like to play defense and that's not my Duke UNC. Did you watch the Auburn game Auburn, Tennessee? I think the final was like, it was like 43 to 41.

Yeah. It was awesome. Yeah. That bummed me out. Yeah. That game should always go over. Also reminded to call the bowling guy. Oh, yeah.

But it's 12, 20 Eastern. We got to do it, right? Oh, now I got to scroll back. I got to save his number. I'm going to save his number into my phone. Why are you calling him again? Because Pete Weber is not bowling in the World Cup this weekend. Oh, right, right, right, right.

Right, right, right, right. U.S. Open? U.S. Open. U.S. Open. He wasn't bowling in it. Some dude with a fro was bowling though. That guy looked cool. I have no idea who he was.

He just had a good vibe. Yeah. But I was looking at the same guy. Some dude with a fro was bowling though. That guy looked cool. I have no idea who he was. He just had a good vibe. Yeah.

But I was looking at the scores. Some guy bowled a 177. So, Jake, you could be in the U.S. Open. I guess. It's just, it's gross that they didn't let Pete Weber bowl. No. That guy's probably a lot stronger. Pete Weber is bowling.

That's better than me. I went down to Pete Weber rabbit hole and he just has, he's been a badass since he fucking showed up on the scene. This is what happens when you're bigger than the game. They hate him. It's just because they hate us, right Hank? That was, that was this year. I mean, that was this, this game eight years ago.

What do you mean? The Super Bowl? It's just because they hate us. All right. I'm saving this number so that this won't take long next time. What should be, it would be, it would be full circle this was the greatest time of my life. I think I'm, I think it's, yeah, like one in the morning, what I'm calling them. Do you know who the Eagles are going to have this game?

They're probably staying up thinking of new ways to railroad Pete Weber. What'd you ask, Hank? Well, it's like, you know, you know, when you come to these and your teams in the game, you start to try and figure out who they hire to perform after the Super Bowl. So like, don't listen to him. I'm serious. Meek Mill's definitely in town. Probably Meek Mill, a little oozy, it'll probably be an unreal, unreal, I hope it happens.

I have a future on them too. Stop it. Fuck you. All right. How much did you say to make, Hank? $2? I'm going to cash out right now for $2.30 if I want to do, but I'm not going to. Okay.

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We now welcome on very special guests. We're current guests. Hopefully this becomes a tradition starting Super Bowl week with the Schwam. We're back here almost exactly a year from the last time we saw you back in Connecticut, getting ready for the Super Bowl. Thank you for joining us. First of all, you made the trek up here. I mean, it's the easiest trek in the world when we get to sit with you for an hour.

So thank you for joining us. I do hope this becomes a tradition. We're like, how do we kick off Super Bowl week? How do we one up the Schwam from last year? Well, let's just do it again. Let's run it back for the people. So and we're lucky because we're sitting here on Wednesday. We're going to run this on Monday to start Super Bowl week.

Tom Brady retired an hour ago. He did. So we get, yeah. So we get breaking news. So we get the, your unfiltered thoughts right away. So let's start there. I mean, is it a discussion? Greatest of all time?

You've watched more football than probably anyone in the world. Is he, is he the greatest of all time? Or you could say Joe Montana. I know you got a, you got a relationship with Joe Montana, but laid on us. I do. It's one on one. I mean, but if, um, and, and yeah, it can be recurring. One is an accident.

Two is a trend. No, we often said three was a problem, but we also said when there were good things, three is evidence. So we're, we're out of the way. I like that. I just as an aside. So if the ultimate yardstick, again, football term, no pun intended is winning, well, so think of this.

I didn't think of this till like an hour ago. So he played, well, oh wait, he was hurt. So 21 years like played, he was on the Patriots in 2000, but 01 to 22 minus a year. So he played in half the Super Bowls. He won a third of them, seven out of 21. And he won early and he didn't win the very last year, but he won late, like real late. He won in different fashions. Like the football was, I don't want to say different Neanderthal 20 years ago, but think

of the way, and of course he won the six with Bill Belichick and then the one other Tampa. Think of the way the Patriots of 01, 03, 04 were, yeah, they were not ground and pound, but it was, it was a, you know, defensive, um, um, you know, the last year 04 was probably their best of those three, they had Corey Dillon to run, but the other years by 07, which was 19, 19 and 0, if you take off the last minute, um, but for the history books was Randy Moss, 25 touchdowns, it was 50 touchdowns in the year, whatever he had, it was that not that they didn't play defense, but it wasn't, that was the headline, bring him Moss, 50.

Now the one they lost to the Giants in 11, again, only four years, the two tight ends at Gronk and Aaron Hernandez, they weren't the only offensive players they had, but they were, that's what was the headline. Um, now, now all along, and I'm going to jump in here, the only constants offensively were a slot, Troy Brown, Begat, Wes Welker, Begat, Julian Edelman, as we move forward, and always a back, Kevin Faulk, um, you know, and James White later on, and the fellow that went to the Giants, I'm spacing for a moment, he caught a lot in that Seahawk game, you know, but, but those are the only constants, they weren't the headlines, although the, Edelman and Welker

caught a lot. So now toward the end, the comeback year, if you, the win against Seattle, um, which is monumental, um, the, the comeback, speaking about against Atlanta and then, and then oddly enough, the only two that he won that weren't at the wire were the kind of 13 to three, they won over the Rams and then the one with Tampa over Kansas. My point is not saying he won with, they still had great coaching, they still, he's still Tom Brady, and how he threw 700 passes at 45 years old, we actually will never know, I'm going to eat avocado ice cream for the rest of my life.

Okay. No, you aren't. But, but maybe not. Yeah. Well, I haven't found it yet, but I will. So I'm going on, but these are like the Tom thoughts like, so it wasn't like they want, this is what we do. Yeah.

Right. For 20 years. We don't do that. Evolved. It was different. And he, something about winning and the great ones, I remember Joe Monti, I think we, Joe Montana told me once when I interviewed him and I know when it wasn't before the fourth and as it turned out, final Super Bowl that he won in 89, I said, what is it about winning?

And he, he thought for five seconds and he went, I'm just so darn afraid to lose. I like such a simple answer. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think that way. Do you guys, like, I'm afraid to lose what? Like my car keys, like I do it every day, like where did I put them? Yeah.

And I know Tom's the same way. The fact that he, and one more, and then I'll, I'm talking too much. The fact that maybe he was 36 or 37, I don't know what year it was that I interviewed him in New England, which he was good enough to give me every year or two, like a, just alone, usually a January before their first playoff game interview. I said, so how long you want to do this? Not expecting. I didn't know what the answer was going to be.

And he went, I think 45. And I said, I, hold on, Tom, I, did you say 40? Because that's, you could, no, no, boomer. I said 45. Yeah. Swammy. You could swam. I said 45.

I went, really? That's like eight year or whatever it was. He played the 45. Yeah. It was a goal. Yeah. That was a goal that he reached. And that's, that's the craziest part is, you know, everyone, Mahomes looks like he's

on the path to being a multi-superbowl winner and we'll find out if he gets that second, you know, ring in a week here. But the fact that Tom Brady did, he won four Super Bowls after the age of 37, 38, like that's just, how many guys are going to be able to play that long? You see it all the time. You know, even the great Peyton Manning, his arm kind of betrays him, you know, all, you know, Ben Rottlesberger, the end there was a little bit, you know, it's, it's not the same.

He was kind of the same all the way through and he was able to play to 45 and be that good through 45. Yes. And that good. I mean, is that like he threw 700 passes and completed none of them? I mean, there were eight and nine this year and they lost the playoff game, but it's like 45, dude. We used to marvel our guy, George Blanda.

He's, well, he would come off the bench. He would kick at 44, 45, I think till 46 and maybe come in for a series if the quarterback got hurt. By the way, the Niners could have used George Blanda while he's gone now. Yes. You know what I'm saying, but neither of them are there. But he's a stud at 45. And if he wasn't quite Mahomes, Borough Allen last year, which he wasn't, he's the very

neck group. Yeah. And this is 45 year old Tom Brady, not he's holding on. And thank God we get to buy a ticket and tell my grandkids, I saw Tom Brady, right? I think he threw 50 passes or more than 50 passes in their playoff loss. Like 60 maybe. Yeah. Maybe even 60 passes.

And that's what's remarkable about Tom Brady is the longevity of his career, football is a violent sport. It's a real, I mean, all you have to do is watch that 49ers Eagles game, Perti gets injured in his what, like eighth NFL game, ninth NFL game. Josh Johnson comes in, he gets injured as well after, you know, maybe two series. Tom Brady, with the exception of his ACL year, he had a relatively injury free career. It's remarkable to play through your 40s until you're 45 and still be able to get out of bed every morning.

Be like, I want to go on a field and maybe get tackled by an endemic ensue. Yeah. It's wild. Yeah. You know, you say, well, some guys are lucky, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's the little things that the three of us will never be smart enough to know that he did all his career in the pocket. The little shift.

I see you two steps, not one, one step too later as an endemic ensue. Yeah. Not to say that you're the size of it. Feeling that pressure. After, you know, growing family, Thanksgiving, you know, we go out and get little things that he did to avoid, to put the odds in his favor. One hit can do anything, obviously, as we saw in the Niners, you know, they lost their other quarterback in two games, right?

Yeah. So, I mean, yes, it's to his credit of all the conditioning and whatever he has done, which is unbelievable, but it is incredible. So football coaches will tell you guys, as they've told me, availability goes way up on, as I evaluate someone. Yeah. So before he even tells the pass, he's available for 22 years. Yeah.

Well, you can't tell the story of Tom Brady without the story of Boomer, because, I mean, you kind of, you kind of bookend him a little bit. You were there during the catch game. Don't forget that Tom Brady also at that game. Tom was like four or whatever, three, four, the picture with him and with the foam finger. That was from another time. But yeah, I didn't know that he was there then. He didn't know me then.

He was four. Yeah. I mean, it was you, Tom Brady, John Candy. John Candy was a little later. You know, that was the 88 Super Bowl. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no.

Sorry. That's one of the great Joe Montaner. We're getting off. That's the Joe Montaner story that some of your guys may not know that. So they got the ball down to the Bengals in 88 with four minutes or whatever in their own and long Super Bowl timeouts and they're in the huddle and kind of tense and Joe pops his head up and he goes, oh my God, or whatever he said, look over there, you guys looked up.

It's John Candy, he's on the sidelines and a couple of the guys laughed, Randy Cross told me, let's go win this thing. But that's, that's the greatness too, is those guys, you hear all the stories about Tom Brady when they're in the huddle, knowing that they always have a chance and knowing that calm, cool, you know, that, that's the part that I think people probably discount with these great quarterbacks of getting in the huddle with them and having that demeanor of we're good, like we might be down, but we're good. We got this.

Like I'll, I'll lead us there. I'll take us down the field. I'm calm. John Candy and stands like, you know, you don't, I mean, that, that is the true greatness of some of these guys. It is. And to be a fellow player, which of course we're not in the huddle to experience that, like we have a chance even if we're down 10 or right, well, or 28 to three in that case.

It means a lot. Yeah. It means confidence breeds a lot of success. Yeah. It's not just because Tom, because we can win this, it's, it's, we have seen it a hundred times. What about the hundred first? Yeah.

Right. They do a lot of psychological studies about what choking means and big moments. And I think a lot of people like us over a three foot putt, yeah, maybe I like over a T bone steak. But no, it's like, if you have, if you have doubt in your mind, doubt creates these little small moments in your brain that lead to physiological changes that you're a little bit shaky. But if you have confidence, if you're around a guy that you know has done it before will make you win, all of a sudden you don't have that doubt.

So you're less likely to make the little nervous errors that you are, and you're more likely to win as a team. And I think that's something that, yeah, obviously the great ones, you know, Tom Brady, if Tom Brady's in my huddle, it's like, yeah, well, he came back from 28 to three. We can win this game. And it strikes me. You've seen a lot of some of the, you've seen the best games of football ever played, a lot of them in person.

What would you say is the best game that you've ever been to? Well, the one thing, and that's a good question, the one thing I'll qualify it is, is that except for Super Bowls, of which this one will be, God, 41st, you know, 41st in a row, the first nine or one was my first one, Montana 16th. But other than that, and championship games before we were doing prime time, and then it was NFL game day, I wouldn't add a lot of games because I'm always in the studio. So I have to recuse myself from, what about that game? But I'll give you a couple that.

So the best two regular season games, and we'll do that first, omitting a few. But the day the Saints reopened, they, you know, came back after Katrina because there was so much more to it, as you know. And I was in late September, so this isn't, but I remember on the pregame saying, we made our picks, I said the 78 Steelers wouldn't win in here tonight. Yeah. It's just not happening. And Gleason, Steve Gleason blocking the punt, which now, after all that, Steve ALS, I mean,

you know, who knows how that story doesn't grow, but it like takes even more meaning and what that meant to the people. The best regular season game I was fortunate enough to be at, well, there were two, because I went to some Monday nighters, there was the Niners and the Giants, each lost their first game in 90, like the week before. They're both, don't quote me on this, 11-0, 10-0, and there's a candlestick like December 4th or something in 90, and it was 7-3, which you wouldn't have, I mean, the Giants, yeah, parcels, but you wouldn't have a Joe Montana game 7-3, but it was, whoa, and in the end

they played in the championship game, and the Montana got knocked out, and the Giants won on five field goals, and they upset Buffalo. But the biggest was the 12-0 Bears. I knew you were going to get to this. Whoa. I'm seeing them, like Steve Gleason, and the catch, like the hair, I get tingles. 12-0, the Bears, and obviously in the playoffs, they obliterated everybody, so they were lost, but it was as if it was Marino Super Bowl.

It was in retrospect. That was it. Yeah. In 85, he never, you know, he never really had it, he never got back, right, the year before they lost to Montana. Well, this is Marino, the Bears, and I'll never forget, I think, did we do this last time? I don't know.

We might have. I came out doing interviews before the game, which Don Shulow always gave me one, he was great, you know, and three hours before whatever, you go up and get something, you come out in the old, the orange, it was like a nine o'clock kickoff back then, and you come out underneath kind of the bowels of an old stadium, and you come out and it's bright, and it's Miami, and I first, I come out on the Miami side, like a 10 of nine, and I see Shulow with the jaw out, you know, like already, and I look down to the left of the Miami players, oh, there's Larry Zonka and Jim Kick, oh, that's Nick Bonacate over there.

I think Bob Griese wasn't there, he told me later, but, oh, that's Larry Little, and I went, oh, okay, I get it, Bears are not winning, Bears are not winning, but the catch of a not, you know, because it kind of started my, not so much my personal relationship with the Niners and Joe and Dwight, the late Dwight Clark and Eddie DeBard alone, all of it, but it was, as history has told us, it was a game that, like the Tuck game, started the Patriots. The catch started the Niners, you didn't know they were going to win the Super Bowl two weeks later, you didn't know in the Tuck game that the Patriots were going to beat the two touchdown favorite Rams, there are games like that that kind of, in retrospect, history jump started,

and then we can get to the Super Bowls, which, I mean, so 41 in a row, you're going to, you're 41st, 41st, incredible, so yeah, favorite Super Bowl memory or play, so many, however you want to go, yeah, so many, you know, the Niners, except for that Bengal one I talked about with John Candy, they ended up, they were in control of the other three, especially the Denver one, the last one. The, I'm not old enough to have attended those Pittsburgh Dallas ones, I watched them, but, you know, I was in high school, college, etc. The Super Bowls, the last, they used to, the majority would blow out. Yes. No, not Pittsburgh Dallas, but majority were blowouts. In this century, you know, 20, 22 years, they've, like, three-fourths of them have been,

it's kind of like this season, right? Yeah. Close. Even, you don't think of, okay, I'm not putting this first, Pittsburgh over Arizona. Yeah. Whoa, what a, Harrison goes a hundred yards, Lyra Fitzgerald catches a bomb and is running 80 yards or whatever it is, and then Ben to home, sorry, not mentioning that. Obviously, the Giants upsetting and the big toaster, Brady with a minute, under a minute to go, like Tom Jackson said, we had to be underneath then, that for whatever reason, we weren't on the field the last four minutes and we were watching on the screen. Tom said, I look like, like, even though they were down to the seven or whatever they were, the Giants, oh my goodness, they completed it. Yeah. You know, the

23, I wouldn't, that's up there, but I wouldn't, I mean, I'm not putting that one. I was, though maybe in some ways you should, but I'm not, the, the, did any of them top the catch for me being at it? Oh, and I'm probably forgetting a great, I'm not forgetting, I don't forget any of them, but so the unlikely interception and Malcolm Butler, right? Yeah. The reason, again, this is not that that was 2014 and we're only 2020 season. Yeah. The reason I will point that as one of the most important games in the 50 plus year history of the Super Bowl is Seattle was about to win, but it went two in a row. Would they have won the,

with the Legion of Boom, not upset all those alphas? Could they have won three in a row, which nobody's done? Maybe. Yeah. Next year, if everything was Hunky Dory, right? They won. We don't know. They would have been the team of the last decade. Yeah. And had Tom and the Patriots lost, look, the two they lost to the Giants and that one to Seattle, they're both like, just the way they won the other ones at the wire, but all of a sudden three and all becomes three and three. Well, what's the matter? They can't win the big, which. Yeah. No, and it goes a decade between winning one. Right. Really, that jump started the third act of Tom Brady's crash. Yeah. Very good. Yeah. And if they don't get that interception, I remember after the game, I was,

I was sitting with a friend of mine, Danny Kelly, he used to write about the Seahawks and he lived and breed that team. And we were talking about it and he said it perfectly. He was like, I think we just got a dynasty taken away from us tonight. He knew. And I think, you know, would they have won the next year? You don't know, but there wouldn't have been unbelievable bickering and this and that. And had they would have been defensive to let it all. Yeah. And that changed the course of ultra modern football. If you will, to your point, I didn't look at it this way. It did jumpstart Tom's third, although, and what I remember about that game, and this is historic too, and I said it on the air that night, I don't know why. So from Seattle to by 10,

although they, they stopped them on a, they stopped Marshawn Lynch on a third and short and they kicked a field goal and made it 10 instead of first down and then maybe 14. That's part of the reason why they didn't run Marshawn again. I mean, I do know that, but then neither are there. So he completed just about every pass from that point on Tom and to Edelman or Gronk, mostly. And then who was it? He went to the back out of the bomb spacing, but it'll come to me, went on to the Giants. He completed every pass. And I, I remember reading, of course, about the greatest game of the play, right? Like the 1958, I was three years old, Johnny United's Yankee Stadium, sudden death. They beat the New York Giants, a game that,

that's what put football on the TV and in the public eye at grew it like this. And then the Packers grew it more and then by the seventies they were, but someone who was at the game or some writer like your friend, they was smart enough to write the iconic voice Bob Shepherd, the PA announcer, as soon as it was him at the time, United's has passed to Raymond Berry, complete first down Baltimore. And I thought this must be like Johnny United's completing all these passes for the tying drive. And then, and then which I don't know. So I, I bridged Johnny and I just did Tom Brady at that point. Yeah. I don't know if anybody else did, but I did. Yeah. We're going to get back to Chris Berman a second before we do. He's brought to you by Rocket and

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And Tom had just retired in 86 and was a rookie with me, a rookie TV with me. And it was our first year of having the NFL and it was a different thing. And it was at San Diego at the Murph. And, you know, the Broncos are playing in it and they led to nothing and all this stuff. And our site was for post game because during the week or somewhere else, but post game, you got to be near the stadium before we're going to be go to three quarters of it, then make our way over to the set. And it was on the top of like a three story building, but you had to drive around it, but then there was a little creek. Okay. So that's why, okay, meet me at the end of the third quarter down here. Da-da-da-da, let's drive over to the thing.

Well, Tom wasn't there and no cell phone in 1987 or, you know, January 88. I had to go. And he was with the Broncos, not on the field, but whatever. And by that point, it's a blowout for Doug Williams, right? And where's Ty? I don't know. And then about 10 of eight, meeting 11, it's dark now. Tom, maybe quarter of, he comes up. There was no van. There was no nothing. No one knew where he was. He, like a football player, he forwarded the stream, which looked like, okay, six inches of water. Okay, we've all had wet. Boom. Like it wasn't six feet, but he went in it dark and branches and twigs and snapped off. And he went like two feet in. Okay. And now he's, I guess my first Super Bowl show, I'm about to get fired. The Broncos kept

beat whatever the 49, 42 to 10 over there. So all of a sudden he comes up and I see, he's shivering. You know, and I didn't see it. He's bleeding. And I don't know how they had other clothes, or maybe he had what he was going to wear there already, probably shivering because it wasn't like a warm scene. Okay, well, we're on like an eight minutes. I said, tell you what, Tom, just I'll come to me. I'll just do the highlights. I'll introduce you, but you're not going to be seen. You got another like seven or eight minutes. So you get 10, 15 minutes to get together. And they got them together. So by the time of the highlight, and the final score was a 42 to 10, whatever it was, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then we come out to Tom and me.

And I said, well, I didn't make, I didn't point out that he wasn't there to do the analysis on the highlights. I think I forget who else did that with us. But I said, Tom, looked at him with a straight face. I went, if someone were to tell you that the Denver Broncos were to lead 10 to nothing, and then give up the next 42 points or whatever it was, you would have told me to jump in a lake, wouldn't you? So he wasn't pantsless. It was nipping talk for him to get on at the end of an eight minute highlight. You had to forward the stream in the dark. I mean, this is like Washington across the Delaware. That's amazing. That's a true story. He was a ball player, right? You laugh about it to this day. Yeah, that's great. That's great. I mean, the relationship that

you and Tom had watching that evolve over the years. I mean, I think for, you know, myself and Big Cat, watching you guys do the highlights together, that was the highlight of our week was seeing you guys do that. It's been cool to see, you know, you've got the studio named after both of you guys now. And now you're working with Booger, who's a friend of ours. How has that transition been to start working with Booger after you were working with Tom for decades? Well, Booger is great. And I know he's a friend of your guys, and he's Tom 2.0. Now, Tom and I still talk every week or every other week. We talked Sunday morning before the, you know, the Bangles Chiefs, he's from Cincinnati, or lives there now. And we'll talk next week when I get

out to Arizona. You're not making me drive with you, are you? No, no, no, no, no, no, good. Sometimes you learn things, it's great, but the period at the end of the sentence. So, you know, Tom and I could complete each other's sentences and what was most fun about Tom, and still is, and I didn't realize it until a few years in, boom, I listened to the same music you did growing up. And I said, well, you know, I listened to a lot of the same that you did. And he, from Cleveland, certainly different background than me, football player, Louisville, Ivy League, Brown, you know, but we both like football. So, and he was an ex-player and a really good one, as you know, 14 years, still among the league,

the Bronco leaders in games played 190, whatever. He was like, wow, look at that play. Like, you don't expect a football player, and I was new to that to have an irregular partner. They're like fans too, even though they played and broke bones doing it. So, Tommy and I were that way. Booger, Booger is unbelievably pleasant, which is not the first prerequisite of being my partner, you know, put up with my crap, which I, you know, I guess that's important. I don't mean crap behind the scenes of me and on the air, like, boom, you give me a chance. So, here's what, so it really was much by week four or five. So, we've done it three years, right? Three years. Now, is it three or is it four? Primetime, no 17, no 18 on ESPN plus

19, and Tommy did it that one year, then COVID County was done. So, 2021-22 with Booger. Like, in five weeks, it was pretty seamless. You don't ever expect that. And what makes Booger great is behind the scenes stuff. If I, a lot of that's unrehearsed. Primetime, there's no commercials, so we didn't go over, that game just ended, you know, the Rams in Seattle, and it was a great finish. I'm making it up and the highlights run into it. We don't even have, we don't even, we can't even cheat. I don't know, I'm the only one in America that don't know who won when we do the highlight, because there's no even time out, okay, Seattle won 45-42, you won't believe the play at the end. I don't get that. It's, here's your sheet. So, I can go to him at the end of a book, like,

look to me in that, that Seattle didn't, or didn't blah, blah, blah. He's got something intelligent, he's got something unrehearsed, he's got something in 15 seconds. Not easy. He's also delusional though, because he thinks that he can be a PGA golfer, like seriously. He thinks that he could, he could quit doing sports analysis, and within about a year, he could step onto the tour. He honestly believes that. You know, a lot of the great athletes, Sterling Sharp, who worked with us, and was a great receiver, obviously, until he had to retire, because he might not have walked properly, had he got the proper hit, and wasn't there when the Packers won the Super Bowl the very next year,

but he worked with us. Sterling, I don't believe played golf while he played. He certainly wouldn't play in the winter in Green Bay, I know that much, okay. So, Sterling is, I don't know about now, but Sterling, because of the athlete, and maybe the same thought, like a two or a three, and he didn't play, you know? And so, I get it, Boog, I didn't play with him this year. We tried to do a Saturday in late September, early October, he'll come in before he's got to get on, and we'll play at 8 a.m. on a Saturday. His first college hits like two o'clock or two. And we didn't get that done this year. I forget why not. So, I can't vouch for how he played this year. Is he a much better player now? Well, no, when I heard him say that, I think it was like three years ago.

Oh, well. So, you probably see him. I believe, whenever you see an ex-athlete, professional athlete, no matter what sport they play, and they pick up any other sport, you see it and you're like, oh, like, I see how they move. It's just different. You know, like, they throw a ball, they hit a golf club, you're like, yep, that's the difference between me and you right there. So, the hockey players, not every one of them are great golfers, because that's their three-month summer in Canada that they can play golf, but they, because it's the shot. Kickers, football kickers, is it because we have a tee? I think because they have time. Many of them are scratch or really good golfers. Steaderoot. I mean, George Blander was like a

two when he was in his 60s. Wow. Okay. So, maybe it's, I don't, I mean, you're not kicking the ball the way you're swinging. I don't know what it is. I think it's because they have so much time on their hands. I think it's a combination of time. Yeah, a lot of time. And then also, anything that's just a repetitive motion that you have to replicate over and over again. I bet a lot of them are good bowlers too. Yeah, mental toughness. Same principle. If you get up there, you do the same thing every time. Who is it that's a 300 bowler? Yeah, well, we had Pete Weber on the show today. Pete Weber. And we were talking. Come on now. Yeah, we were saying like, our memories of, yeah, our memories are of watching prime, you know, the Sunday countdown,

watching you and then be like, all right, and enjoy the games. Then boom, it's Pete Weber before you could change the channel. It's like, wait, hold on. It's football. It's Tommy love that word. Yeah. Kicklers, Tom is Norm. What was his name? The other like one of his rivals, Norm. It was a lefty with Johnny Patraglia. It was one of them. Yeah. And there was another one with it. Yeah, I'm forgetting, but they were at the Chris Schenkel. Why? Why? Well, I mean, one of the stops on the PVA tour, which got big ratings now. Yeah, 60 70s. Yeah, big up here at Bradley Airport. I don't know maybe because right across the street from our airport in Hartford, the Bradley Bowl, and that would be a regular stop. I don't know what time of year it was that they were,

they were the Keglers were here in Connecticut. That's always struck me as ESPN waving just a temporary white flag on Sunday afternoons. It was like, here's countdown and then here's Boomer with a straight face telling you to stick around. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Also, yeah. That's very funny. Well, we had to put something on that. Maybe those who don't like football will like bowling. Yeah. Oh, I don't care about that football. Like those two. Yeah, yeah, it had to be something that I don't like football. Or tennis. I'm not knocking any of those, right? Or here's a what do we have now? Women's hoops? I mean, yeah, it's not a knock. I mean, it's okay. Who's not watching football? How can we get them? Yeah, not the easiest to probe. No, Sunday is for football.

The Keglers don't need love that. Boom, we have the cat, you know, the last commercial looks next to Keglers, I go, yeah, yeah, we get Keglers, you know, from wherever lanes that I hadn't, I hadn't thought of pro bowling. Yeah, yeah, they could be good, good memory. Yeah, that goes right away. It was literally like how fast can you turn the channel because you would just be all right, enjoy your Sunday. You might have lost the remote. And then boom, wait, well, what is this is bowling? Okay, we got to get to the football. That's funny. You had one minute of the Keglers. Yeah, did you tell Pete to jump like so they don't review like like the Eagles did? Did you wonder whether he as soon as they came on, he just rolled the first ball down the

lane. Maybe it was a strike. That was the prime real estate right there at the first 30 seconds of the bowling. You got it. You got to have a strike on the first ball. Yes. So everyone's season. He's a big fan of yours though. He wanted us to pass along his salutations. Well, me to we, I mean, Pete Weber, Johnny Petraglia might have been the lefty and there was another with an N. I mean, I mean, you know, we all tried bowling, right? Yeah, fun sport. So we, what, what are you golfing these days? Hey, you know, I turn right there. That's a score. It's a different 13 or 14 than I used to be. It little but not that anybody cares a little back surgery or go all and and you know, upper 60s. So this was the year

that I refused to give in until the very end. You know, you're you're hitting fairways, but you've lost with all your clubs 1015 even though I hit that pretty good. Oh, okay. I still have the head of seven wood and you're not getting on the majority of the par fours anymore like you could, but you're going to put a seven wood from 200 on every time the pros don't do that. Well, I'm going to try it anyway. I went 180 and it rolled into the trap on the left and now you know, you're scrambling to make a bogey. Yeah, screw it up. So only at the end that I come to the realization that, you know what, if you're 50 yards or 40 yards short, learn to bump and run it, give yourself a chance at a par

and if you miss, it's a bogey. Yeah, just come to grips that you're not getting on. This isn't a seven iron anymore. Your second shot, not that I put those on. So I'm playing 87 88. All right. Oh, come on. I'm not going to tell you like booger. I'm going to be a pro golfer. That's pretty good. Ultra senior champions past tour. Yeah. Anything in the 80s is you're having fun because that's, you know, that means that you're not running around in the woods and shooting a million shots. That's that's fun. That's our story. We're sticking with it. Yeah, right. Exactly. You get one hole to check out the scenery and the rest of it, you're for the most part, fairway adjacent. Yeah. There's always a couple that's IP in pocket. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And sometimes it's,

I hate this hole and it's going to be a seven and it is a seven. And the way I get around that is now on the holes and the holes that I know are going to be real trouble. I'll sometimes put a seven before I tee off. Then if I make a six, you go down money. Yeah. That's a different way to do it. How about that? The power of positive negative things. Yes, I like that. You got to get negative and get positive. That's great. Chris Berman is brought to you by Zip Recruiter. The big game is coming up. And this year, there have been some surprising teams in the mix. New talent have made major contributions to help teams that were on the bubble rise to greater success. If you're a business owner, adding fresh talent to your team can boost the success of your business too. What's

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Zip Recruiter the smartest way to hire. If it's okay with you, I'd like to just gas you up for a second. And I think that you don't get enough credit for cable television as a whole. I think you can trace the rise of cable TV in America directly to Chris Berman. Because ESPN, think about it. People, most people growing up at least, you know, my friends, my co-workers, we got cable because ESPN was on there. Sports was on there. Why were people watching ESPN? Because Chris Berman helped to elevate that channel. I think you should get residuals on every cable and every cable pack sold. Your agent will love that one. Just like retroactively be like, Hey, you owe me five billion dollars. Kind of like Bill Rasmussen, our founder who is 90 and who is still, I talked to him

several times, he should get residuals on me. So very kind. You gassed me. But you were right there at the beginning of the cable TV revolution. And you were a big part of that. I mean, we always look back on things that we've accomplished. And maybe in retrospect, they seem huge. But at the time we don't know what we're doing at the time, did you realize what a big deal cable TV was going to become? Well, we certainly didn't realize when we started. I think we talked about this. First of all, thank you. I can't look. I ended up being a quarterback or the not the quarter, but a quarterback at ESPN. And so you get more credit and you deserve occasionally get more blame than you deserve. But mostly the former, you know, I started when we put the flag in

the North Pole, right, or one month later, right? We were the first ones to find the North Pole, or we landed on the moon more and more accurate. So ESPN, there were HBO existed. You had to pay for it over and above and cable late seven. We started in 79 CNN 80. I'm going to deflect this a little bit. He has been fall 79 CNN at some point, 1980 MTV, when it was really MTV, you know, music videos, which is a great idea, 82. Those weren't the only three channels. But if you're by the mid 80s, getting cable or traveling, I live in New York, Chicago, where have you, I'm traveling to Seattle, the hotel, did they get those three channels? Yeah, I got my music station, I got my news station, I got my sports station, almost like listening to your local

baseball game, except this is nationally ESPN. So in the 80s, I was not alone. I mean, Bob Lee, we can go on Tommy's. I mean, I could I could name all the names and people you'll never know behind the scenes that without them, we never, I would have been fine, but we would have been, you know, a test pattern, right? We did 10 sports centers a week. So invariably, you're a 12, like two a day, and you know, somebody sick out to it. So invariably, if you were turning on a sports center, you saw me or Bob or Tom or the many others, and I don't mean to eliminate names at all. I mean, Greg Gumbler worked with a lot then and the John Saunders came out in the mid 80s, and we can go on all my friends. So I was there a lot, whether you like me or not.

I became one of those synonymous with you turn it on. There's Pete Weber bowling, right? Yeah. You know, I never thought I'd be compared with Pete Weber. I wasn't as good as him, but so thank you. But so ESPN, here's what it was. I'm going to take me out of it. I always say that ESPN rode cables, coattails, because from fall of 79 to fall of 89, it was a graph like this cable TV. Nobody knew in 1980 people were going to spend for 36 channels, right? In the beginning, 20 bucks a month. What do you add to your mind? I mean, I've been 20 bucks a month for, right? I got to go to sleep. Yeah, I got to eat. I got to go to work. We don't have anything to tape anything with. I got five on my TV, you know? So Cable did this. So we rode

its coattails, but Cable rode ours. I will, on behalf of the thousands of people that have ever worked at our place, I will say that it was a mutual riding of coattails. We weren't alone, but we went from three million homes and when I was there and we signed on to at some point 110 million hundred, I mean, it's not that anymore. I mean, Cable is not this, but it's. But it's, it's, it's live sports stands the test of time. You know, it's, it's when I, when I think about what TV has become now and it's all the streaming and everything, you know, is on demand, but live sports, you can't replicate. It's the best drama you can find. And it's, you know, whatever game, college basketball, football, anything, you want to

watch the live sports and that's the revolution part. You know, like thinking about in the 80s, how many games could you watch a week? Not many. Yeah. Like a handful at most. Now you can watch a game at all times and that's the best part. Even games you don't care about. Oh, well, I care about them all because they gamble on them all. So yeah, they do. Yeah. Yeah. You want to throw some Italian soccer in my face? I'm in. Who's Hawaii playing tonight? You know, no, I don't mean in hoop. I mean, I'm just saying who. Oh, no, listen, the state. Yeah. Listen, when you go, the Hawaii late night game, when you're staying up till 3am to bed on that, you got to reassess some things. Amen. It's nice to imagine yourself in the stand. Yes. Yes. Yes. As you sit in the

northeastern upper Midwest in December watching the rainbows. Yeah, watching Hawaii. Yeah, I mean, those are some fun teams. I had some when they were doing the the running, you know, shooting is thrown it all over the place. Oh, yeah. Tommy Chang. Tommy Chang, one of the best all time. Colburn. Yeah. Went to the was at the art against Georgia. Yeah, they got smushed. Yeah. Yeah. But it was a good season. They were closer than TCU knocking TCU. But I mean, you never know it was a great season. And then yeah, that's why they play the game. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You've also seen a lot of great halftime shows at these Super Bowls that you've been to. Are there any that stand out where you you were looking forward to it and hit all the right like you were not

disappointed by it? Well, you're not disappointed by it. And aside. Okay. So sometimes the time and I will sit in the stands for that. We didn't want to hear any commentary of anybody else. And of course, you're signing into this and that's fine. It's a Super Bowl. But the halftime shows what they became for me is I got a little older. This is a true confession here. Now I'm I'm pardon my take. So you wait for the second song, whoever it is. You got the bathroom to yourself. I'm Chris Berman and I'm in the bathroom by myself. I actually could get a hot dog. I put on like a ball cap. So it can't be him. Yeah, I'm not wearing it. It can't be him. Yeah. Why would he be he's missing the halftime show to the second because the first

song takes a while to set the stage up. Everyone who's been in the bathroom comes running out. Yep. Sometimes a little sloppy, you know, when the lights go down. But the second song, very important, I'm out of here. Yeah. Okay, so that's an inside story. Now, the one that's funny, Tommy and I talk about this. Because we had a different vantage point. It's good. We go back a long way with this. So we would be at the game but never prime time wasn't on the field in the late 80s 90s, like the Washington Denver story we talked about. We had to go either back down town to where we were all week or some other site and we would always leave at halftime. And now here's the 90s. It was the Dallas Buffalo in the Rose Bowl and then being a blowout.

Remember for Leon let but I mean, you know, it was actually a very close game with two minutes ago. I think it was 14 to 10. And Dallas scored twice. I think the bill turned it over. It was like 28. So we at the two minute warning, we go down the portal so we can be in the car at halftime and we had one of those primitive TVs back then but you kind of got it, right? In the car TV in 1992, you know, it was a Philco, you know, whatever. And Michael Jackson was halftime. And we're seeing him be Michael Jackson, right? And then we get to our site in the third quarter. I said, Tom, we left. It was a football game because we had a different vantage point than anybody else, different experience. We left. It was 14 to 10. We heard the crowd twice

in retrospect. Dallas scored two touchdowns. We got in the car. We saw Michael Jackson, I think on the same field where we were watching football, another playing football again. This must be not right. Yeah. So that's a different answer than you expected. I appreciate that because you don't think about that. It's the biggest sporting event of the year. And then halfway through, it's like, oh, here's Maroon 5 for 15 minutes. Yeah. And then boom, we're going to kick off. It's weird. I liked it when the Stones did. I mean, more my guy. I understand now. I mean, you get an appeal to everybody and I'm not knocking any of the show. But when the Stones did it or Springstown, it's like, ooh, this is pretty good.

Yeah. Prince. Yeah. Prince was purple rain in the rain. That was bad. Yeah, no, no. And I always respected Prince. I wouldn't huge on him. Yeah, I loved him for that. I was young enough. I didn't have to go to the bathroom. Yeah, there we go. There we go. That's about when it turned. That's a good tip though. Yeah. When the drive started going left. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was right around the Prince. That's a good question. A halftime show. Halftime, yeah. But key bathroom stop. Yeah.

All right. So what's your favorite player to have watched play football? We talked about Tom Brady. Doesn't have to be Joe Monte. Don't have to be a quarterback. The one guy that you just will always think like, man, that was fun to watch him play. While I've been on TV, I'll give you two answers. So obviously Joe name is not obviously my hero. Joe name is because I watched him play at Shea Stadium 70 times. Okay. Whatever the number is. Yeah. 60. You know, if he played 70 games at Shea, you know, he had injury years. I was at 63 of them with my dad and my brother starting at nine years old. And then the Super Bowl year I was eighth grade. And then we were at the Super Bowl. We had the championship game.

So I mean, I actually learned football by sitting in the upper deck for $8 a game, you know, like lower upper deck seats, box seats, the AFL because they threw. And I didn't know that I was really watching film, not that I'm so smart, but there's John Hadel, there's La Monica Dawson threw it enough. It was a throwing league as opposed to running in the 60s. Yeah. So Namath is my hero. And the AFL is our, you know, it was so 60s. It was so rebels, you know, with a cause. And we liked all the AFL teams, even though the Jets had the big rivalry with Oakland, when push came to shove there in our league. Right. Hence somewhat Buffalo with me. Yeah.

They're the champs of my league when I was a little kid. And I remember them hence always like the chargers while they're on my league, you know, my league, always like the chiefs, my league, you know, so, so that's that professionally. And I actually said it both times as MC at Canton when I don't speak much, nor should I, I give my own minute and a half and then here's the tape and all, and then et cetera. I did it for both of these players because I wasn't lying. I haven't said it about any other one. Brett Favre. Okay. You always knew you had a highlight from him, even if he was down 17, there weren't a lot of him then. I don't mean like Brett play with Johnny United's, but Brett Favre, and he was, he was like a little boy still playing a

man's game and, and, and, and then defensively, junior say, oh, good answer. Because there would be a play that I would have to say make sure, well, it didn't affect the game. No, no, but he went from that sideline to that sideline to make a tackle and force a punt. Well, they didn't score on that. I don't care. Put it in. And Favre, I mean, you know, he was the little girl with the curl. And I lived that with him a little bit. I'm very close with Mike Holmgren and kind of watch that go from three out of every five passes. Mike would hide his eyes to two out of every five, to one out of every five. I'm not four out of five. I'm pretty confident he's going to complete this. And the low lights were highlighted sometimes too. The low lights were some of the best plays

for Brett Favre. For Brett? Yeah. He'd throw some of the most spectacular interceptions I've ever seen. Kudos to him. Yeah. To that point, we might have said it last time, but, you know, well, you said 10 minutes ago, nobody remembers anyway. The best answer in an interview I ever got on, you know, I got many. When I thought Brett was finishing up, it was 07 with the Packers, he gave me a long interview before their game with the Giants. Now, who knew that they were going to go to the Jets and then Minnesota and by the way, they almost beat the Vikings and he almost played in, you know, almost played in the Saints. Yeah. Almost played in a Super Bowl. Yeah. Well, and look at the tape sometime after that. Yeah.

Just look at it. They were going low a lot. Yeah. Do I know, whatever, an aside. So we went, I went through all of it at the time. He was ahead of, you know, so many categories like Tom is now, right? And I went to like five or six of his, you know, you play 300 straight games or whatever it was at 07. What does that mean to you? Beautiful answer. You've thrown the most yards or what does that mean to you? And I went to about three or four. All with straight face. Beautiful answer. And I said, Brett, you also have thrown by far the most interceptions of anybody in football. What does that mean to you? And he laughed like a kid. He went, he didn't know what was coming. Well, means I was trying. Best answer ever. Yeah. Like un-rehearsed. I set him up.

Ah, he won the morgue. He won the day. Yeah. Five MVP, whatever, whatever the numbers were. Most interceptions. I was trying. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're right. They were high. Yeah. And there are some interceptions that are, you know, you don't want to have an interception, but you also don't want to have a quarterback that doesn't want to take a risk. So sometimes you see an interception like, look, he's trying to make a play. It didn't happen this time, but he's trying to make a play. He will make a play later on. He was fun and junior. Those would be the two. I mean, offense and defense. I mean, we're leaving out a ton, but yeah, no, there's only two at Canton that I and junior was gone by then that I said, even in my little bit of words that in my career

professional career, the most fun that I ever had was watching their games. Now, the other thing you told us right before we started, we missed out on a shout out because Brock Purdy got hurt. So you told us you were going to say you were going to give us the, were you going to give us the, uh, Brock and roll all night, or were you going to give us, that was, was it, or was it going to be rock out with your Brock out? Oh, it wasn't going to be that one up. Rock and roll all night and Purdy every day. I went, that's genius. I'm ready to give it to the, to the part of my take boys. And I couldn't do, I was going to, on regular TV, not even the SPM plus, this is real cable TV. This was,

you know, monumental viewers, right? And that primetime, I think ran three times like the old days. So, so at midnight on the West coast, and again, no, I would have, it was, I even had it written down on my notes, like, don't forget it. And then, sorry. So we did do, we did do something for you though. Uh, when Josh Johnson came in, we did our fastest two minutes and we did 14 consecutive from for Josh Johnson. I haven't heard that one. Yeah. Just listing all the games, all the teams, teams, yeah, from, oh yeah. What was it? The Sacramento fleet, Sacramento, Wildcats or whatever. Yeah, we just went all the way down. That's genius. I mean, that's, that's, that, that's funny. You know, you have a lot of mixes. Obviously, I did a couple

of times do, uh, mixtons the one way back, you know, I am the president. Richard Millhouse mixed. But, but you know, you had a game at Washington and you worked presidential names into every year. Zachary Taylor, like, you know, like, oh yeah, Zachary Taylor, you got presidents in Washington. And then, oh, the, the mix and one that I mason mixed in line, which of course, he plays for Cincinnati close to the mason mixed in line. It wasn't like playing for Minnesota. Yeah. You know, so I look, I know it's a tip of the cap, but you're, you're going, you're picking up big yaks yards after catch with a lot of life. I commend you for it. Hopefully, Perti's got a long career. Hopefully he can work him in next year. That would be, it would be an

honor. It really does. It really does make our year if you were to do something like that. And I, we need some advice, honestly, because we do it as a tip of the cap. We sometimes do the raiders that, you know, the real low. Why not? I'm having trouble right now because we've tried it over the course of the season. And every time I do it, or when the cat does it, immediately after we're done, we have to turn our head and just cough for like 30 seconds. How do you get a real guttural raider sound? You can't go all the way down. Somehow it's got to stop here when you're there, but you're up here with it. Because that's, that's your, hold on, where's my, where's my mason? Yeah, we've been going deep. My chloreseptic spray. I get, I do the neck. I go, yeah. And I

got to stop that. You got to somehow bring it up before you start it. So it's only coming from here. Try that. But make it sound. Can you give us the full one? Huh? Can you give us full of the raiders? Well, the full, yeah. But it's like, I mean, and you can go louder. I mean, it's just, and that's an Odell Davis. Yeah. It'll work on. Yeah. They're not in the Super Bowl. You don't have to use it yet. We got some time. I do want to say, I think our whoops have gotten a lot better. Great. And you, and you're certainly using it. Yeah. Yeah. We use a lot. You go to Costco and get the full whoop, a bargain. Sometimes you get a little whoop heavy. Yeah, that's true. So what? That's a fact. I mean, everybody, you know what? I get with the young ones,

that's what I get stopped for the most. Now, can you say it? Some is the rate. Can you say whoop? You know, do you know what's, you know, there it is. No, your whoops are good. Yeah. Do you know what's great too? I'll see you play and I'll just think of the whoop. Patrick Mahomes Fumble in the AFC Championship game immediately thought of you. You all slipped. It doesn't have to be a leap or a turn. Yes. I mean, but it came from, as we said, with Barry Sanders. Yeah. That was, courtesy of the three studios of Curly. Yeah. But I swear, I see it. This is how much you live in our brains. Did I see that fumble? And I'm not like, what a fumble. I'm like, Oh, that's, that's, that's a swarm whoop right there. I'm worried about you.

You guys have been on too long. Yeah. I'm worried about you. No, it look the sound effects, they're not for everybody. You know, a couple of guys, you go on with them and they don't relax. It's just for fun, right? And I mean, you guys relax, you know what I mean? But it's not that this is exactly right. But I tell our folks cutting highlights, and I didn't know this when I started TV in my 20s. When words and pictures match up, one plus one equals three. When words and pictures don't match up, either your narration, or you wouldn't normally try a sound effect on one of the guys just running the ball, you wouldn't, but one plus one equals one. Yeah. But you know what it is? You just said

something there. And I think this is probably why we're drawn to you and a lot of our success. Football and sports supposed to be fun. And you've always had fun. And that, that is something that translates to the people because I think there are a lot of people now who talk about sports and they don't make it as fun. It's a lot more serious. And there's, I've always, we've always had the mantra with our show is like life's hard enough. Sports are supposed to be the thing that you watch for fun and that you, you know, like, you know, we'll make fun of people's teams, we'll make fun of our teams. But like at the end of the day, what is it? It's not, it's not hard life. It's not, you know, we're not talking about serious topics,

talking about sports. It's fun. Correct. And that's what people listen in. Now, you guys have great wit. I'm not saying people, not everybody on a great wit, they do in different ways. Bob Lee and I are two different animals. Bob Lee is a great professional. I look up to him in a lot of ways. I don't know that he looks up to me in a lot of ways, but we're great friends, right? So, but he's him. But that doesn't mean that he doesn't get what you just said. It's just for him now to be gregarious would not be him. And now you're acting a little bit. Yeah. I'm not saying he would or did. I'm that way. You guys are that way. I mean, you have more boisterous than here. But I mean,

but the combination is we're just having fun. And if we're busting, it really isn't mean spirit. It's busting on somebody's team. Yeah, they stunk today. They did. Right. I mean, usually, you know, sometimes people go a little more, it shouldn't be personal. Right. And the athletes are also people, you know, and so I don't mean to make this analogy, but so the bills, which is an unbelievable season packed with everything. And this sounds like an excuse for whether the loss of the Bengals, the Bengals are better from play one to play 100. So let's let's start with that in that game. I wondered. I said it. And I'm close with them. But they're human beings. The Marham and with that being the game they played against the

Bengals like the first week there was an exhale like he's even in the building he we think is going to be really okay, even if it takes a year. We had that for three weeks, maybe not sleeping at night worrying about him. Yeah, you had two six feet snow falls where you're going to Detroit now. You guys didn't have power last night with your wife and your three and your one year old. You did by the time you left, but you're leaving them alone and you're going to play football in Detroit, which would go to Canada. Well, they clear the airport for them. But then you're going to come back and you're you know, there was the shooting in the supermarket in the black neighborhood in the summer. They're not they're not the only franchise that but this was a lot.

It is a lot of I wondered. Yeah. How much gas did they use up to get to this point? Is that the reason they lost to the Bengals? The Bengals were better. But they're human beings. So to make what were they they didn't care. They acted like they did. It's a slow leak in the tire. Yeah. Yeah. They weren't running on the rims, but they were closer to it. I don't I diverge there, but that brought it up to date here. What were they doing? Yeah, no. Remembering that people are humans. Yeah. The people you're watching on Sunday, they're human beings. They got stuff going on in their life. It's it's absolutely a great point. Were you there was a moment where I was like, Hey, maybe we get

the Schwann this year. Maybe we get the Bulls Niners. It's going to happen eventually. Well, I found the football. How many years in a row, by the way? Seven in a row. One of the two of them made it. Yeah. And you predicted it like 10 or 11 or 12. Because it was like, I got to take August off. I don't need to do any homework. I know who I'm picking. Yeah. Even if I'm wrong, I don't care. Like I'm they've carried me this far from 88 to 94. One of the two of them made it. Bill's Niners every year. Niners made it three times. They went all three. The bills made it four times. They lost all four, but they I was 50% for seven years. Nobody, you know, is 50% and I didn't change a thing. That's a fact. So they send us,

I think they still do, the footballs on Championship Sunday of the four possible combinations, like a model, you know, Super Bowl, whatever it is. And in 92, I kept the ball, even though the Niners, they got beaten Alvin Harper in Dallas. That was the play in the championship game, the bomb from Akeman to Harper that started them on their mini dynasty there, three out of four. I found it. Maybe that was why they lost to the Bengals. Forget everything else. I found it. I said, I think I know where this is. So as the 92 ball, Buffalo versus San Francisco in Super Bowl, whatever that was, Michael Jackson, that one. Okay. It didn't happen. But I saved that one. I don't save seven of them, but I saved that one. And I was ready to bring it on set,

just like I was ready to go rock and roll all night. And Alas, Alas, it'll wait another year. What are the chances that we get a Bill Super Bowl here in this window? It feels like the Josh Allen window. It feels like the Josh Allen window, which could, who knows, what was his contract for? He's got another like five years on it. Yeah, something around there. What are the chances you think we're going to get an actual Buffalo Bills Super Bowl championship in that time period? I think they'll be in one, at least one, because he's really good. And he was hurt. I mean, he borough and obviously my homes at the top, like they're the best three and they're all, by the way, they're all, they all win divisions. So they're all going to play each other in the

regular season. And they're going to play each other like Manning and Brady did every year. Right? Like they're winning their division nine times out of ten. So that's, they don't have to go through. I don't want to say the NFC is easier. That sounds like we're, we're knocking hurts and the Eagles and what they've done, which the best record in football, right? So we're tied. They'll get him one. They just kind of started. Remember, they blasted the ranks. Nobody goes on the road when they're unveiling the banner and meets the hell out of it. Nobody does that. I remember that game so well, too. The week one game, the opening of the NFL season, because we had a Julian Edelman, who's our friend of ours,

watching the game with us. And he said, he's like, it's just so easy for Josh right now. He's like, he's just, it's too easy for him. And you could feel it like everything was just easy, like everything. He looked comfortable in the pocket. And yeah, he got that elbow injury against the Jets. And it felt like they were, I still wonder, it's crazy to say, but if Demar Hamlin doesn't happen and they play the Bengals and the Bengals beat them, is that a wake up call that they needed maybe to, because, because it did feel like towards the end, they were kind of, they were winning games, but it didn't look exactly like it looked at the beginning of the season. Hey, they beat the Chiefs. Right, right. In October. Right. So that, yeah, I'm very confident

that they'll, Coach McDermott, Brandon Bean is sharper than hell. GM, it's a franchise, this fan base speaks for itself. So in other words, they're, I mean, they're the only, I mean, they're just adored. I mean, they're, other than Green Bay, it's a small, as you know, it's the smallest city, right? So it's different. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's not a small lure as well. I like that two of the smallest cities bonded for the wrong reason, you know, over the Hamlin injury, but it was not that New York would, and I'm not saying, no, but it's different. It's different. It's just a smaller, somebody wrote on their sign right at the Bengal game, praying for number three, Hamlin's a Bengal fan. What a magic marker in his or her pocket. So the answer is,

they'll get in one, but Holmes and the Chiefs and Andy Reed aren't going anywhere and Borough and, and, and Zachary Taylor, you know, they're not going anywhere either. And what does Sean Payton and Russell that they're in the same division with Herbert, they're all in the Chiefs and Trevor Lawrence. And yeah, there's a lot. AFC is, they're going to be in one. Maybe next year. I don't know if this was subconscious, subliminal. You said Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reed aren't going anywhere. I know you've got to be close with, with Coach Reed. I'm sure that you guys are thick as thieves. Probably going to be rooting for him in the Super Bowl, I would imagine. You think Andy's going to stick around for another five, six years? Well, I do know that he loves coaching

and doing what he's doing. Like the setup, sometimes even the smartest, and I would include Bill Parcells in that, I would include, you know, they all want to be the coach GM. I'm going back a little way to answer your question. If Philly, he was that sum. Here, you know, he's a cap guy. I mean, you can't do math all day long when you're trying to devise a play, right? But he even realized, as Parcells quietly, probably grudgingly realized, and I say that with love and respect for Bill, and Belichick's a little different story. But just, you can't, Mike Holmgren wanted to do it. You can't do it all, right? When he went to Seattle to do the Grand Puba, I call them, you know, his friend, right? But even he probably at the end realized, you know, if I had

a really good GM, who am this? Well, that's the situation in Kansas City behind the scenes. Brett Vichu was on his staff, not so much as a coach, but as an assistant, and like quality control, et cetera. He's great at that. They're sympathical. And the ownership is great. And the fan base is great. And now we get to the quarterbacks. Yeah. So if I, I, if I'm a coach, and I still love it, even though I'm 60, 61, whatever Andy is, I still love coaching, which obviously coach Belichick does too. He loves coaching. He loves turning on the film on a Tuesday. And looking at the other team before I have to even address my play like, what do they do? And they still love that. And you have Patrick Mahomes? What's the rush? Yeah, unless there's something we don't know that's

going on, you don't feel what you know, you're fighting, which he's not, you know, like every now and then coaches have to get out because I mean, Terry Francona like goes through stuff, he still manages, he loves it. I have Patrick Mahomes and I have the situation set up here. And so I would think I would be to put a number on it. Will Mahomes play more than five more years? Yes. Like, let's hope so. We didn't get hurt for because we like football. You don't have to root for the Chief. Like football, you want to see him play football, right? Yeah. Yeah, I'd be surprised if, if he, he's not driven by, ooh, you know, if he wins this game, I could be wrong, don't quote me. And then I think the next win next year,

he would tie Tom Landry for four. He's not driven by that. He's not, it's not, ooh, I gotta get to, he's not driven by that. 270 wins, I think is Landry's number. And then give Andy, it's a 268. I could be wrong, but I mean, he's in the, you know, there's, there's, there's, there's Don Schuler, there's Bill Belichick, there's George Hallis and there's Tom Landry and Andy's five. So if he still loves what he does, and I know he does, and I have him, and I have this setup, where am I going? Yeah, yeah. You ever go out for a steak dinner with Coach Reid? We've eaten. A little bit of steak steak. We've eaten. We heard a, we heard a rumor that he eats three steaks at a time sometimes. No, I don't know about any more. I mean, maybe I, you know, I

don't think that's true. It might be a one side steak. Maybe just as a dare. I haven't heard that. We haven't talked about it and I haven't seen it. So I'm not going to say he wouldn't deprive me. I mean, he's slimmed down quite a bit. You can tell he's, he's shed some of the pounds. He, he still wears, he wears the big jacket. So sometimes you don't realize it. He's lost some weight. But I feel like, I think we heard that maybe it's at the combine at, was it Prime Four? Oh, the steakhouse in Indy? Yeah, yeah. That's a famous one. That could be. I've not been at that. It's his like cheat day once a year. Just a side steak. You know what? Once a year, it's February. Do I know that he's done it? I don't, I don't think so. But could he do it in the day? I'm

sure he could. Yeah. Is there a coach over the years that you've become closest with, that you've become, he would be it. Andy's your closest guy? Of all, of, of, I mean, and I'm, I'm, I don't mean to but that would be him. I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm very close with, with quite a few others. It's kind of all, not all. There's a couple of trees that if you chase my football family history. So this is the Bill Walsh tree and the Niners tree. You don't think so. So here's Bill Walsh, who I learned not that he sat me down in his office an hour at a time. Let me not misrepresent that Chris. So here's how we run the West Coast offense. Like I, I didn't get that audience. Okay. Nor should I have. But I lived it. The Niners and I got it. And it was new. My football kind of changed then. Little

Mike Holmgren was the direct descendant. If you will, there were others and many that coached. Yeah, yeah. That's the direct son of Bill Walsh kind of sort of. And then of course he had Brett Farven that, that offense of the 80s or early 80s, which was already different in the late 80s, when Montana was a better player and the Niners had Roger Craig and Jerry Rice. And I mean, they didn't have that in 81. Mike Holmgren was the descendant, as I see it in boomeresque history. And Andy Reed is the descendant of Mike Holmgren, even though Holmgren was still coaching Seattle when Andy was coaching Philadelphia. That's the direct Andy coached under Mike, as did a lot of really successful coaches. And now the look at the successful coaches under Andy,

John Harbaugh and I are very friendly. Well, he was an Andy staff. So I got to meet him through the years. Coach Belichick and I are obviously very friendly, not just to throw names and there's, and of course, Marvel Evie, you know, I mean, you know, from but that, but that's that tree. Okay, we could talk about others. But to me, you know, oh, we were on the West Coast offense as 10 coaches that say it's more like the, it's not really the West Coast offense. It's some, it's not really it in who were running that. And the West Coast offense properly run growing through the years. It's still really effective. Yeah. So I have the ultimate respect for the way all these guys thought big picture and little picture bill off Mike Holmgren, Andy Reed. And so the fact that I've

grown close with his family and he with me and didn't didn't get to meet him as an assistant thinking, Oh, here's the guys who got a coach for 25 years and right on Landry. No, he was the quarterback coach. I went into the quarterback room. He was the quarterback coach. And every Thursday they had Brett Farve, like Cajun beans and and this and if they want to come in, Chris, yeah, sure. Oh, God, you know, talking about guttural with the Raiders. Come in. Yeah, another Mariucci was in there. I mean, so that's my derivative. So it really goes back farther than anybody knows, even though I didn't know him well when he was an assistant, but I knew Mike staff well enough. Yeah. And that would be the closest. That's great. So

it's just interesting that the more life, you know, longer we live, we go full circle. Yeah. So he's coaching against the Eagles. Yeah, he drafted three of these players that are playing. Yeah. Kelsey, Jason Kelsey, Cox and Graham. They're still playing. Yeah. He hadn't been coached in 2012. Yeah. Howie Roseman was a GM, like it's the same owner, obviously. I mean, it's interesting how but he won't see the Eagles as Oh, my God, this is without them, I wouldn't be here. He already knows that. You don't have to play him to know that. He already knows how good they are, but it's just interesting how it and to Kelsey's and to heaven forbid African American quarterback, which I didn't even think of it. We put up the

graphic at the end of the show. These are the youngest two by 15 days younger than Marino and Montana when you add up the years and the days like that's interesting. And then oh, by the way, there I didn't even think of that, which I think is it's great. No, yeah. I mean, it's important to a lot of people and a lot of like African Americans watching, obviously, they will notice it because of course. But to us, it's, you know, it's some of that. I think it's a good thing that it doesn't stand out to us anymore. Yeah. Right. Very. Yeah. That's what I meant by that make me any different than you guys. I didn't late in the early 80s. I interviewed early in my career, Doug Tampa being in the Norris division, which

Tampa didn't, you know, graphically with with Minnesota, Chicago, you know, Detroit and Green Bay and Tampa. But then sevens, the quarterback in the Bears and Doug, Doug Williams, the coach in the box. I interviewed both of them in 82 after the game didn't make me any different. But I did that interview 40 years ago. Now it was after the game, so they weren't sitting together. It wasn't any big, but it was, you guys are playing against each other twice a year, the last couple of years, both black quarterback, your African American quarterbacks. And so I don't, it's 40 years ago. Yeah. The fact that it finally happened in the Super Bowl isn't, I guess it, I mean, it's a milestone. Yeah. It's a good mile. It's a great milestone. Yeah. Right.

So we don't think, think like that. Yeah, both really good. Yeah. How about that? Very, very good. One and two. By the way, if you see the size of Jaylen Hertz's, I saw him walking in, he showed the shot of him walking in. I thought it was A.J. Dillon. Yeah, it's insane. You should watch this on the YouTube because if you're listening to it, Boomer kind of trailed off there. He said, he's talking about his thighs. Thighs. Jaylen Hertz's thighs. I just want to make that clear in case the audio was a little bit murky on that one. But he squats, what, 600 pounds? Yeah. That, yeah. I mean. He's a monster. Yeah. It's awesome. It's 600 pounds. I mean, that's more than three stakes. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So, so let's do this because this has been fantastic. Last question.

Hopefully we do this again next year. I'd love for this tradition. It's a rowback question. Promo code take. You get 20% off your first purchase. Great golf gear. We'll send you some. Q zips, polos, everything. The best. Rowback.com. R H O B A C K.com. Promo code take. Super Bowl week. We need your prediction. I want to, I want to swammy score too. I want the weird scores. Well, I remember as a kid when I saw the arrow again with the team that didn't score more. I was like, what's, what's that? And then I realized, Oh, it's point spread. Yeah. I want the, I want the swammy score. Well, I'm not going to pick three to two, which I have done as a swami. And I remember greatest show on turf against Brett Farve one year. I think I'd 78, 75.

Okay. You mean that's an over? No, I'm just picking. You just relax, you know, I guess it's an over. I don't even look at that anyway. I never pick the scores with regard to that except so I won't pick three to two and I won't pick 78 to 75. So as much as Jalen Hertz has gone this from that playoff game against Tampa and the whole Eagles team, they were dreadful to this and have won two games, say what you want. The history will say 38, 7, 31, 7. Okay. I understand the 49ers are running a single wing. I get it. Not their fault. Single. He's not going to work in the 2022. So and given that pass rush of the Eagles, will that be better than Chris Jones and Frank Clark?

Well, it might be because they're seven strong. They play every time a can sue comes in for 18 plays. Yeah, Linval Joseph. Well, yeah, well, nine of them, they're going to be a real factor. Right? Even though they're not, I mean, Redick is Redick. And then I'm forgetting, 97. They're loaded there. Yeah. Yet both teams, I'm not I'll give you a prediction. Both teams sent three of their offensive linemen to the Pro Bowl or flag football or whatever it is. Yeah, they're not going on. Whatever it is. So do I think that's going to be real? Since both all the bigs are good, will that be a neither advantage either way? Maybe so. Holmes, he won't be better than 80%. And who knows what

he'll be. We're taping this on, you know, on the 1st of February. And we don't think anything will happen to him. But he's not. They ran most of most most of probably what they could do. I don't think certain moves in this and normal that change in two weeks is hurts hurt. Little, he says so. He had that one series where he ran the ball, which I think was a signal to whatever they were going to play next. Yes, I said, okay, here. Yeah, maybe it wasn't. Yeah, maybe they wanted to just put it away and make a 28 seven and we're done. My homes is, you know, chief receivers, God, they ended up with nobody. But I'm going to pick the chief score. 27 24 sounds boring. That's not a swami. Yeah, but I'm not going to do that because it's a

Super Bowl. Yeah. And I don't think this is the 78, you know, the Steelers against the purple people, which by the way, the score of that game at halftime was two to nothing. Love it. Look it up. Love it. Nothing. Did they get to the 30s because I haven't gone there yet. Yeah. We're not even out there. Could it be 31 27? I think it could. Yes, it could not 2926. I mean, a swarm. Yeah, that's a swarm. Like when you get nine and six on your Super Bowl board, you're really annoyed. Right? Like my hundred bucks just went down the drain. Yeah, I always used to remember to two. Yeah, right. About the about the arrow. That was I think a lot of people got woken up to gambling because that arrow. Yeah. Eyes open. There's always one even number and one odd number.

Okay, I'm score. Yeah. Well, has there been? I mean, I don't know if there always was. Did I do it on purpose? No, no. The only thing I did with the score all those years was make it at least three points different from whatever the number was when I taped it on Friday. So there was no mistake unless Brett Farve, you know, Patrick Holmes isn't playing and Hennie's playing. We don't know that to Sunday morning. Well, then the line wouldn't, it was always at least three different. And then I put that arrow and use words like closer than expected or they may win more handily than you think, you know, like that. And so I didn't know about even odd. I didn't do that knowingly if I

did. So what's the official prediction? I'm going to sprinkle a little bit on the exact score. So what did you say, big cat? Did you say I was 2026 something from me? Yeah. Do we want to stick with that? Or is there yeah, yeah, much more interesting. Yeah. If I get it, I'm thinking the bizarre numbers when you like a two although 32 is not that 22 is a bizarre. Yeah, that's a bizarre one. I think we're a little over we could pick 25 22. Okay, that's a bizarre one. But I I don't think the game is going to be that bizarre. Okay, I don't think it's it's we're not going to see the single wing or the wishbone. Yeah, you know, let's hope not right. I announced the game once in college where the Holy Cross ran a wishbone against Brown and I had to learn I went to our

coach and I just give me 10 minutes or something. So I know what the hell I'm doing in 1975. Running a wishbone, you know, like, I know what it is. But I, you know, whatever that's an aside. So we want to move that to 25 22. I like 29 26. Okay, I think I don't even know what the early over under is, by the way, 48 somewhere 49. So I never picked them worried about that. My score was was never trying to think through everything. So if it's 2926, that's, that's an over. Yeah, which I like was people want that. They do want that. Yeah, because you're always in it. Yep. Yep. Right. Want it. The under is a nervous. Yeah. But the best in the day was when you took a team regular season. Well, it would still be now because you

wouldn't kick an extra point in overtime. And you're getting seven and they go to overtime. Yep. Yeah. Five things can happen. All of them good. Well, even ending in a tie, which of course is Super Bowl. Yep. Well, well, now you have to kick the field goal, or you have to kick the extra point because both teams get a possession. And you're getting seven and a half. Yeah. Yeah, you would. Now I had to remind myself of that when the playoffs started, because like you, it's you get to overtime, you're home free. Yeah. Yeah. Well, nobody's going to be that number won't be that. I mean, it'll be a field goal will make it either way. I mean, I don't think I mean, again, by the time this runs, we may have moved three times, but we're just bsing and you may not

even include this little bit. But I don't think it'll get the three. Yeah, I don't think so either. Both defenses are pretty, pretty damn good. He's a big number. Yeah. Yeah. Chiefs play a chiefs play a ton of rookies in their secondary. Yeah. The eagle it could be a little lower than that. So what are we going with 2926? Yeah, although I didn't get the Brock and roll. I'm going to give you guys the nod with score. Okay. Okay. All right. Contribution. Yes. Right. I love it. How's that? Yeah, that's great. Remember, my favorite saying of all time, it's all in the delivery. We're all in this together alone. I love it. I love it. Remember, that's what we're doing here. Yes. Chris Berman. Thank you so much.

Hopefully a tradition every year. We appreciate you. And thanks again for giving us an hour and a half of your time. I enjoyed it. You guys are football fans, legitimate football fans. You probably bring a lot of fans to the game that you don't know that you're bringing to the game. Like in our early years of prime time, we didn't know we were bringing some people to the game that might not have watched six hours. Yeah. And you're doing that as well. I didn't even do the French. You know, Le Grand Chat et Le Roc Hunter. I mean, I'm sorry as your regret. No. Sorry about that. With the Olympics coming up in Paris, never too early to start working on it. Yeah. So good to see you guys. Happy Super. I'm glad you're not driving.

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Get C4 energy. Go to c4energy.com. Okay, Chris Berman was awesome. I love Chris Berman. I love him so much. I love that you can hear him before you see him when he comes around the corner and you just hear him talking. You hear some of the, and your ears perk up and it's like, it's on. And it's also, I hope this is just a Super Bowl tradition that we have him on to start every Super Bowl week as long as he'll come on. It's hilarious because we go up to this hotel. He rents this huge conference room in a hotel in Connecticut. And then after we finish the interview, this happened two years in a row now. There's just like a massive spread of food that is just out there for us to have lunch. And it's like, it's very old school way. It is. And all the diet cokes that you can

drink, just stocked with diet cokes. And he gave us like a some spread. I was eating and he walked up. He was walking down. He's like, how's the food? And then he caught himself. He's like, how's the food? Some spread? He gave us like the whole history behind the some spread. We basically, every time we sit down with boom, at least the last two times, it goes on for like another 30 minute podcast after we're done recording. Yeah. Because you just, you wind them up and he just goes. He's the best. He's the absolute best. So thank you to Chris Berman for coming on. Hopefully it is a tradition. We have pre-taped the lottery ball machine because we knew we would be out of the office. Oh yeah. So we know what happens. Congratulations, Hank.

Let's find out if Hank has finally won, kicking it back to ourselves in studio. Love you guys. No, you don't get to say that. I love you guys. No, I love you guys, not Hank. Okay, we're back in the studio end of Monday's show. Yeah, he said love you guys on the last one. We're going to do the numbers. So we're actually, this is, we're taping this on February 3rd. We're going to do the numbers for the entire Super Bowl week to see if Hank can get it, which he won't, because he'll never get it. Hank, have you ever gotten it? No. Okay. Numbers. 17. 69. 18. 51. 20. 90. 90. Where'd that come from, Hank? Random? And there's a lot of money in the pot right now.

97. Oh, that one is really close. Oh, Hank, that's the closest you've ever been. Third time in 2023. Love you guys. Love you guys. Dragons might have been real. I'm about to say I'm sad anyway. Today's an update. They're finally shining. I'm coming for your love, okay? Shining. I'm coming for your love, okay? I'm coming for your love, okay? I'm coming for your love, okay? I'm coming for your love, okay?

I'm coming for your love, okay? I'm coming for your love, okay? Take on me. Take on me. Take on me.