Pardon My Take - Chris Long, Joel Embiid Drops 70, Ban The Word Analytics + Listener FAQ’s

Episode Date: January 24, 2024

Joel Embiid drops 70 on Monday Night and KAT finishes second place yet again (00:00:00-00:14:39). We talk about the fall out from Sunday, banning the word analytics, coach hirings and more (00:14:39-00:39:21). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including RIP uga, Chuck Schumer can suck it and Kevin Durant wants in on the GOAT debate (00:39:21-00:59:25). Chris Long joins the show to talk about upcoming Championship Sunday, how the ravens defense works, Brock Purdy discourse, what type of coach works in today’s NFL and more (00:59:25-01:47:35). We finish with listener submitted FAQ’s (01:47:35-01:59:01).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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I hate to say this. I hate to lead the show with this, but our Esports analyst, Darren Ravel actually had a great idea that on February or January 22nd, every single year, the day that Kobe dropped 81 on the Raptors, every team should have to try to break the record. I like that idea. That's, that's good. It was a good idea by him. Cause we had, we had Carl Anthony Towns also monitoring Joelle Embiid situation very closely. So close in fact that at halftime,

I forget how many points he had at half. 53 eighths. But the players of the Timberwolves knew that Embiid had 59 at halftime and they told him. And when they got back on the court, they started telling their assistant coaches like, hey, we need to get the ball to cat more because he he has to outscore and bead tonight and then after the game the Timberwolves

coach is like I've never seen such a display of unprofessional basketball before just trying to feed cat to get him over in beads number and it was and bead did it by just putting his ass in Wimby's face yes it was so I tuned into both games and like the Timberwolves it was very clear that's all they were and the way he was playing and the way he was playing and the way he was playing and the way he was playing and the way he was playing and the way he was playing and the way he was playing and the way he was playing

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That was a joke of a basketball game. And some rules are, by the way, in first place in the West. So they're having a great season. But it was just so perfect career arc for Carl Anthony Towns to have that type of night and just be like, and we lost. Yeah, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna bet on James Harden in his next game to go out there and try to score like 55, 60 points.

I feel like he's got something approved. He's got to answer. He's got to answer for it. Joe Embiid was incredible. It was the ninth time that someone has scored or ninth player to score 70 plus. Wilt has done it six times. It's crazy because it was also the Sixers record. So it was it was 70. It was Six years record. Um he also said Joe Embiid to to go against the the Carl Anthony towns in his night in a Timberwolves. Joe Embiid said after the game, the only thing I told my teammates was please don't force it and let's play good basketball. Let's just play basketball. If I'm open pass it. If I'm not, just make sure you make the right play. It's unfortunate that Daniel House got booed because he did

for shooting it. But we were just trying to play the right way and make the right plays. But I think obviously I made shots and they found me a lot. So that's ultimate team guy. Joe Embiid ultimate team guy. He probably won't be able to win MVP because he's going to miss too many games this year. He's already missed 11 out of 40. They don't they don't hang banners for MVP. That's true. They don't celebrate that. It will be very funny if Joe Embiid has like an even better year than last year but because he plays like 64 games instead of's. That's true. They don't celebrate that. It will be very funny if Joe Embiid has like an even better year than last year but because he plays like 64 games instead of 65. That will be the quickest that everyone will turn on a rule. Yeah so I'm trying to

count how many times will Chamberlain has scored more than 60 points. It looks like it's 25 or 26 times. Yeah and he's seven, oh plus 76 times I think. Just for the record, he had 100 points one game. And then he had, if you believe that. He had one, two, three, four, five games of 70 points or more. Fucking insane. Just to go back and look at the stats, especially that one year where he averaged 50 points and I think 20 rebounds, 50 and 20 for an entire season.

Yeah, and B is a beast. It was a mismatch on defense. And it was tough because Pop, I think he was a little tongue in cheek, but he said they were gonna hammer his ass before the game. It was funny too watching Joel and Bede walk by Wemby and see how tall he was and you could see his face. He's like, whoa. Cause he said after, he was like,

I know I'm tall, but damn that guy's tall. I just liked the idea that Joel and Bede can walk up to Wemby and have the same reaction we all do, which is you look at a very tall person and you just say, how tall are you? Yeah. Do you play basketball how tall are you? Yeah. Do you play basketball? Yeah, you play basketball.

That's the reason why Zach E.D. plays basketball, so that when people ask him, do you play basketball, he can be like, yes. Yes. Yes. Joe Embiid, the last 16 games. So this is over the last six weeks. He's averaging 40.3 points, 11.9 rebounds, 5.1 assists, and he's shooting 57.4 from the floor and 41.7 from three.

He's out of this world, 90% from the free throw line. At least, you know, if you're a Philly sports fan, if you're like a Die Hard Eagles fan, Die Hard Philly's fan, at least you got to sit home and watch this last night and take in every single second of it and be like, you know what, it's been a tough year for us, but this was just a once in a lifetime opportunity to watch this as it happened

and appreciate greatness that you have and not to have like me and you shitting all over your experience. Right, it's like a where were you moment. Where were you? Everybody remembers where they were watching this game. Yeah, so Max, where were you? I did not watch the second half of it.

Oh no. Oh no. God damn you were so close to just getting only praise. Yeah. Where were you? I my girlfriend's in town and went to go to the movie. I mean it was a game against the Spurs. I didn't think it was going to be this historic game against the Spurs. It was historic. I know it was and then like I didn't watch. I started getting the tweets and I watched the entire fourth quarter cuz like I have to tune it I know and I got it was one of those things where you go to the movies. I'm respectful guy at the movies I don't like to look at my phone and then like the second it's over I looked at it the first thing I see is the SPN notifications then like for text being like holy shit. Are you watching this?

And you weren't and how do you respond to people calling you a casual? That's the worst thing you can call a man. Well, I also I was I also couldn't tweet about it because they were like because it was an hour after It happened. Yeah, if I as if I started tweeting about it people were gonna be like what the fuck where were you? So now I guess people will know I Nothing, I there's nothing I could have done. I was at the movies. I missed the game I'm really upset. I missed the game, but Joel and beat is unbelievable and I It's kind of you know what max I understand because like I

Remember when Derek Rose got traded from the bulls. I was at a Cubs game And I immediately rushed home and wrote a blog, but it's kind of the same thing What do you mean like you know it sucks to yeah, it sucks when your team again I immediately rushed home to write a Like, you know, it sucks to. Yeah, it sucks to when your team again, I immediately rush home to write a blog. But yeah, I mean, I don't write blogs. Yeah, you could just fired off a tweet video. Yeah, but it's an hour late. I had a tweet that was that was typed out ready to go. And then I was like, it's too late. Like people are just going to be like where were this? This has been the talk of Twitter for an hour. I want to note one important thing.

I think this is the first time I've seen Hank wear Celtics hat this year. Was that on purpose today? No. Okay, Hank, you would never miss a 70 point game. Never. I do have one thing that's- It's the worst part of being a fan.

Max, I actually have your back. There's no worse feeling than having a random crazy game happen. And you're like, fuck! It's like Jimmy Fallon. it fuck like a spur like you were pitch that game shouldn't have been meet like a meaningful game it's the worst you're like god damn it I cannot believe this go ahead Hank this is this is tough to admit but it's true Ron coworker good friend has a podcast with Pat Bev who's on the Sixers I listened to that podcast and I have grown to really like Pat Bev. I like the

you know, belt to ass tour. Like it's it's fun to follow and I've caught myself being like damn like I'm not rooting for The Sixers obviously when they play the Celtics like it's it's it's fade on site but I don't like this. I don't hate The Sixers. I don't. I I I like Ron. I love Pat I like to show a lot. I like I like Pat like the belt to Astor is a great name every time they win he's just like belt to Astor belt Astor they have got Astor they've got a lot more likable and after the game you could see his teammates they were like pouring everything in the locker room on them they were they

dumped like a bucket of ice water they're spraying beers champagne on them it seemed like a pretty cool place to be, which is like way better vibes for this Sixers team than we've seen in the past. James Harden. James Harden. It's just Tyrese Maxie being the number two. James Harden would never spill a drink.

That's correct. Tyrese Maxie being the number two, I get rather than James Harden being the number two, is just a world of difference of likeability and guys. Tyrese Maxie is one of the most likable guys in the NBA. Yeah. And there are other teams making moves now too. Maybe some panic moves.

Milwaukee. Did you see? Joe Prunty's back. Milwaukee fired their coach. And top candidate. Top candidate, Doc Rivers. Ooh. Get him back in there.

Ooh. Get him back in the mix. Bulked Sixers playoffs. Let Joe Prunty just do his thing. I love Joe Prunty team Prunty Yeah, I don't want even the possibility of Doc Rivers If doc that would be what if doc just got a house out how to coach in the championship caliber coach against yeah, yeah Either way it was a fun night in the NBA

There's anybody who has the experience of how to make the sixers lose in the playoffs it would be it would be dark rivers Yeah, might be a great fit that's a great point but yeah it was a fun night in the league it was fun to say I mean that would be a very cool thing if every January 22nd it's like every team just gonna be like we're gonna fucking go for it. South Expedition Mavs, Jalen Brown, Cross-Up Luca. Leaky Black made a free throw one of the greatest calls shout out the Hornets announcer Eric Collins. Yeah he was freaking out as his first free throw that he'd ever made in his career. So he was going nuts.

He was going nuts when Carl Anthony Townsley shooting threes too. Are you a little bit worried about Chris Sapsank? Why? He's sitting out. Yeah, I mean, I've said it the whole year. If this team is healthy in the playoffs, they'll win the championship.

Chris Saps has been an amazing addition. Funnest Celtics team to watch you know since the big three I'm excited for the playoffs he's got to stay healthy yeah she's got to stay healthy and then I think I think the heat got some heat culture yeah they got Tararosa here he's good for the old tweets that like he loves heat culture he loves Wade yeah and the next next haven't lost or the memes didn't have the next not lost since I got OG they've only lost one time since I got O.G. Oh, how many games?

I think nine. Oh, that's a significant amount. Yeah, we're going to do a full NBA preview after the Super Bowl. We're going to tape it with Russell at the Super Bowl. So we'll get it in person. We just was kind of a mini NBA preview. We can't mention Terry Rozier's best tweets without bringing up the Osama one. This is one of the best NBA tweets of all time.

Osama should have hooped instead of trying to kill people because he tall as hell. Yeah. Facts only. You would have had it sick inside Alky. Post game, yeah. Yeah. The Del Castro.

Something crazy. Yeah. You mentioned Kobe's anniversary. What was the lottery ball on Monday? 24. Is that pre-Colorado Kobe or post? I can never remember. Eight.

You switched his number. I think that was. Yeah, I don't know what you switched, but. Yeah, I don't know. I don never remember eight you switch his number I think I don't know what you but yeah I don't know I don't use number 24 well you brought this I think you brought this up Jake you brought up yeah you're still a great but when I think 24 I also think of him as eight so I can't remember which one it is it's pretty good bring that up it's pre 24 was so he was 24 when Colorado happened though yeah yeah and he was a great favorite that's yeah that's why I always I guess I guess I guess 24 0 I always take eight because you just brought up a whole 24 saying it was crazy that Kobe's

anniversary 24 yeah I just want to make sure that our listeners know that like we do not endorse 24 Kobe right eight Kobe on the other hand I guess mom mom mom a mentality what? Is that how it works, I feel like a Kobe is when the bad stuff happened that he switched over. Oh, I don't know You tell me yeah, I think it's a eight Kobe right. Well, just oh, so No, no Jake endorses eight Kobe's bad. Well, just also, so Jake, no, Jake, no, Jake endorses, I like eight Kobe because before that I had no idea. He likes 24 Kobe after Colorado,

when you already had, it already happened. Oh yeah, he likes 24. See, we can be flexible here. He endorses. You can move this around. He endorses whitewashing. Yeah, right, yeah, yeah, no, no. I was just saying, I was pointing out the idea.

We're shapeshifters when it comes to arguments. That ball machine which has a one in a hundred chance of every number hitting Happening you want to cove these numbers on the night he dropped 81 wild. That's all yeah wild Okay, should we talk a little clean up from Sunday? Let's clean it up. Let's clean it up a lot of people upset about analytics out there Oh my gosh my analytics. I I have a take and that's People just use the word they substitute the word analytics in whenever there's a number that they don't like and they're like this is analytics. It's so I had a similar take that we should just eliminate the word analytics because someone pointed out to me and it made perfect

sense they're like analytics is to sports as woke is to politics where the word woke just gets used or canceled even, gets used for everything. And it's like, but that, no one, you didn't actually get canceled. Like analytics, you're just trying to give your team a better chance of winning here. I don't even know, it's like simple math. Well, my favorite is people who are baseball fans

and they're like, I hate these new Saber metrics and analytics, let's go back to talking about batting average. Yeah. That's the same thing. It's just like, they figured out a better way to figure out baseball and the efficiency of a batter in football. It's pretty simple. Yeah. I think it's pretty simple. We're we're not smart people. We're not good at math but we do

understand that if you go for it when you're down 14 then you have two chances to go for it. It's also yeah it's also just a simple question of do you want your team to try to win the game. Yeah. The best chance to win the game or do you want to just play it safe and be like Let's just go to overtime like I want my team to try to win the game And if you add up all the math if you said hey You have a 60% chance of winning the game this way or a 40% chance winning I always want to go with the 60% and also I don't know if that's the actual percentages don't sue me

But that's kind of what it comes down to is like you have a higher chance of winning the game if you go this route why would you ever choose the other one because that's what they did in the past they just need to rebrand and be like if you are in favor of of not listening to these analytics you're actually rooting for kickers and punters the dweebiest people on planet earth so this was my other thought I think the problem with analytics is you can make the argument, and I think it's a fair argument, that analytics or advanced statistics,

sabermetrics, all these things, has in a way ruined baseball and basketball. I think that's a fair argument to make. Baseball, home runs, there's less hitting opposite field, less stolen bases, although they've made the rules, they've literally made the rules to bring that back in the game. There's less action, pitch to pitch, uh, with analytics and how teams are, are, are building the roster basketball similar way, where it's become just three point shots or dunks and

the, the art of the mid range has kind of been lost. Football is the one sport where analytics and advanced like metrics has made football significantly more exciting. And I think that there's just a lot of people who just either are too young or don't remember that like 90s football and early 2000s football when it wasn't even a question if you had a fourth and two you'd punt. Like why would you want that? It's so much more exciting when a team goes for fourth down on the goal line. That those are the exciting plays. I think it's because old coaches when they retire they get grumpy. Yeah. And they start complaining about the new way of doing football. And everybody wants

to be able to identify with those old coaches. So they're like, John Madden hated this. Yeah. I want to be like John Madden. Someone pointed out John Madden had a saying take the points however you can earn. I can't remember what the quote is. But John Madden also and God out John Madden had a saying, take the points however you can earn. I can't remember what the quote is, but John Madden also, and God rest his soul, probably the greatest football guy of all time. John Madden famously said that the Patriots should play for the overtime when Tom Brady was driving

for their first Super Bowl. And then once they won, he admitted he was wrong. Yeah, right, right. Also, yeah, take the points. That's a great quote for, because it makes sense. It's like, you don't want to take points off the board, right? You want to take three points is more than zero points. John Madden is right about that.

But what's more than three points, seven points. What's more than seven points, eight points. Right. And I get it. So I agree. I take the points. I am a big believer in that there's a feel for the game and you can't just say, oh, a spreadsheet says this, we got to do it.

I'm completely in agreement with that. But this one is like a simple math equation where it's like if you can if you can convert a two point conversion over 50% chance, go for it twice. You're going to need another touchdown anyway. And people are like, well, how many times it worked? Well, I know two, I think the Packers did it to the Saints this year. The Titans did it to the Dolphins. The Bucks almost pulled it off against the Bills. Like most teams are doing this now. Yeah. So if most coaches have realized that this is actually in their favor, I think there's probably something there

instead of just being like, you gotta kick the extra point. I went back and I reviewed my interview with Ron Rivera from before the Super Bowl in 2015, I think, 2016. And he was at that time known as Riverboat Ron and he had Cam Newton as his quarterback, right? Cam Newton that year, I think he was at that time known as Riverboat Ron and he had Cam Newton as his quarterback, right? Cam Newton that year, I think he was the best short yardage back of all time in the NFL in that one year in his efficiency.

So if you had one, two, three yards to go, Cam Newton was the best that we've ever seen doing it. And I asked Ron, I was like, why don't you just go for two every time? And he's like, well, I'm not a mathematician, but if you get 95% of one point, that's pretty good. That's a sure thing. I was like, Yeah, but if you have 50% or more of two, which is bigger. And he's like, I'm not I'm not a mathematician. I'm a football coach. Right. Well, we don't expect you to be a mathematician, but we should expect coaches to know that like,

one is greater than 0.95. Right. And people are afraid of the failure of like not getting both, but you got to also think about the positive of if you get the first, you can win the game in regulation. I just, I really do think that analytics as a word has been thrown around to a point that it doesn't even make sense anymore. And more than that, I just implore people to remember what 90s football and before that was, and it was punts and field goals and teams

not taking chances and like playing it by the book and it wasn't more exciting. It is football today is the most exciting it's ever been. And if you look at where the future of football is going like the coaches that are coming up now they believe in this type of stuff right this is what football is going to be. So get get with it Get with the times. I was shocked. I guess it really was like because it was the playoffs, but we have been on this go for two when you score down 14 for like, it feels like three years. I think it's the first thing that we learned about advanced stats. It's also the only math that I've ever fully comprehended. So I feel confidently speaking about it. Like I've never had, I've never, I've said it before, but I've never been in a room with calculus

I've barely no trigonometry or did I don't know it anymore This is the only math that I feel confident and I'm like every time that it comes up I feel like Oppenheimer and I'm like yeah, do you want some fucking advanced math? I got it for you Zach Alfinakis. Yeah, just like seeing the equations floating in front of my face. That's how I feel. Speaking of analytics, I guess, I had a couple stats from my friend Aaron Schatz. Now that we know what DVOA is, I thought this would be interesting to bring up.

This one hurts, though, for Bill's fans. So if you're Bill's fan, you probably, you survived the longest Monday ever, which was on Monday. And Josh Allen did say we woke up. So that's good. But in terms of best four year runs of DVOA without making it to a single Super Bowl, the Bills are now the second best team ever.

So the Saints in the 2017 to 2020, obviously we know what happened at the NFC Championship are number one. And then there's a list of like Steve Young's Niners in the 90s, the Eagles from 2008 to 2011, the Saints again in that little time frame a few years ago. So that kind of hurts. The Colts. The Colts.

Yeah, I also have three year. Hold on, let me find the three years. He did four years and then three years. Three year span, DVOA. I'm gonna find that for you. Yeah, I would imagine like mid 2000s. 2003 to 2005, Colts are like seventh or eighth on this list, but in a three year span, the bills are number one, this iteration of the bills.

That hurts because it's like, like we said, I don't know what the fix is, because they're a really good team and it, because they're a really good team, and it shows that they're a really good team, but something's gotta fix. Josh's cap number goes way up next year too. I know there are ways that you can get around that. You can defer stuff and you can,

the cap isn't real for the most part, unless you're the saints, then you're just perpetually in cap hell, and your team is 35 years old all the time. But for the bills, it's gonna get harder, not easier over the next couple of years. They're old. That's the other thing.

I was reading an article by Mike Sando that showed basically like two years ago, or yeah, two years ago, whenever they traded Tyree Kill, the Chiefs basically made a concerted effort get younger on defense as the Bills got older. So it's like the Bills have a lot of guys in their late 20s, early 30s, and the Chiefs have a lot of really young guys that they've plugged in there that now extends

the Mahomes window and they have to rebuild on the fly. And now the Bills are at a crossroads. Yeah, and they're a really good team. Their DVOA shows that they're the best team in a three-year span to not make a super bowl. Now, it does feel like Belichick is gonna go to the Falcons, but Rex Ryan threw something out yesterday that I kind of, I don't hate Belichick to the Bills. They have a something out yesterday that I kind of I don't hate

Belichick to the Bills. They have a coach. They currently have a head coach. The puns. Oh my God. Yeah the puns. Bill Belichick. Think of the puns. That's all I was thinking about. But it actually it makes sense. I think it may for a team that wants to win right now you think Belichick gives a fun fuck about like competing against the Patriots? No. No, he doesn't. He probably is not too happy about how things ended. So if I'm Belichick, I would put feelers out there

and be like, if you give me a call, I will answer the phone. Shepter said he's not getting other calls. Yeah, and there also was a weird report that like the Falcons front offices kind of doesn't want Bill Belichick to come in, which is, I guess they just sort of trying to preserve their own job. Yeah. Yeah, it's exactly what they're doing.

It's like, I don't know, I'd rather win football games. Yeah. If you're a team that's like, well, they also need to get a quarterback. Yeah. So if you're Belichick, I would almost feel like the bill's job would be a better, like an easier transition than Atlanta, having to find another quarterback, you've proven that that's not so easy for you to do, Bill.

Yeah, Mel Kuiper is saying that the Bears could get a first round pick for Justin Fields. Oh, wow. The report is out there. Other DVOA that I wanted to bring up. The, so Aaron Schatz also did his weighted DVOA, which if you remember from our interview with him, obviously weighted more towards the most recent games. The Baltimore Ravens

are the best team through the divisional round that he's ever charted. And so he had a chart and it was 14 teams and 10 of the 14 ended up winning the Super Bowl. And the few that didn't was 0-7 Patriots. You also have the Bills from 2020. So it basically is Mahomes stopped that and then you also have the Patriots from 2012. Harbaugh stopped that and now you get Harbaugh and Mahomes going up to see who can go to the Super Bowl. So fun little wrinkle. That's a fun wrinkle. I also read that with the Chiefs. I believe it's every time they've beaten the Bills and the playoffs, they've lost in the next round.

So that leans towards Ravens to me. What do you think about that, Hank? I mean, anytime you have a once in a generation guy like Pat Mahomes as an underdog, you got to take them. Pat Mahomes being 13-1 in the playoffs against people not named Tom Brady. Interesting. Yeah. 40-year-old Tom Brady. Interesting. Yeah. Forty year old Tom Brady.

Also, yeah, what happened to the Super Bowl? Joe Burrow being the one other guy who won in the AFC Championship game in Burrowhead. They did you see the ESPN posted like a graphic that said Mahomes House in front instead of Highmark Stadium. That was really lame. That's just the name of it now. Yeah, it was just Mahomes House. Yeah, that's Jason Kelsie's house. It's like what? Mahomes House. Okay.

Hank, are you going to bet on the Chiefs? Oh yeah, you have to. Lock of the Century. I've also done some soul searching about the NFC Championship game. And I think you guys are you guys are set with who you're rooting for. But I think I've reached my limit of You guys are set with who you're rooting for, but I think I've reached my limit of pulling even remotely for a division rival. I'm done, I'm done with the lines. I think I have to just go Niners because it's just they're a division rival.

Like I told you I was reaching my limit and I've reached my limit. I was kid, I was in my dream last night. Oh wait, what? I don't really remember what the dream was. It was just one of those, like you obviously forget what happened, but. Whoa, was that a cheer for his dream?

Yeah. I woke up and was like, was I talking to George Goodell? I was like, no, that was a dream. You gotta figure out, you gotta go back to that dream and figure out what he told you. The signs. I figured out who I'm rooting for too. It's Detroit.

It has to be. I expect you guys to. I like the Niners. I do and I love watching their offense. I think they're a very fun team They're dominant. They got a lot of former football teams on there So I I have that connection but against our friends What about our friends in Detroit Hank? Well, this is good. We can split it. We can split the vote. I'm just going over

Oh, okay. Yeah, I just I gotta go with it's the Lions. It's the Lions playing in the NFC championship It's no brainer if you don't have a dog in the fight. Shut up Mac. It's the fucking Lions. It's the Lions playing in the NFC championship. It's no brainer. If you don't have a dog in the fight, it's the fucking Lions. It's Detroit playing to go to a Super Bowl. San Francisco, you'll have your shot again. You have a very good team. You have an amazingly talented roster. But you understand where I'm coming from. I reached my limit with the division rival.

I was like, all right, I can't do this anymore. Like if they had played the Packers, I would have been rooting for the Lions very, very hard. But now I'm just, I gotta step away away at some point you gotta be like I was thinking more about the Whippet conversation like I gotta step away I'm not rooting for for my brother to get you know an awesome job I get Detroit down though yeah Detroit I I Jared Detroit Don Dan I do love Detroit Don and Detroit Don and the Super Bowl going to the Super Bowl this is a lot of money week but that'd be so fun great us a lot of money. Great week.

But that would be so fun. Great week. A lot of memory. Listen, if it happens all the Niners fans. It happens. I'm buying tickets for Detroit Don and Superfan. So it's not, you know, it is what it is. Sprinkles.

I forgot about Sprinkles. Yeah, she came back. I forgot about Sprinkles. I came back. We also had the Titans hire a coach. So Brian Callahan. Son of Bill Callahan. Tom Callahan coach so Brian Callahan son of Bill Callahan Tom Callahan big Tom Callahan son. Yeah, yeah

Yeah, so yeah, it comes from a good stock great offensive line coaches and running the damn ball so here's a weird stat and we're gonna talk to Chris long about this a little bit because Pete Prisco mentioned The leader of men the CEO head coach, which very funny when you actually look at it, Nick Siriani is that because he doesn't call plays anymore. But you have Harbaugh and Dan Campbell are the two left that are quote unquote,

like the leader of men, CEO, they're not actually calling plays. Tomlin was also in the playoffs, one of those types. So it feels like as much as Pete Prisco thinks that that's what you should hire, it's going the opposite way in the NFL because with Brian Callahan getting hired by the Titans, every single team has changed their offensive coordinator since the start of 2022 season. That's crazy. Crazy. Yeah, that's wild to think about. And you could maybe say Kyle Shanahan calls a play So he's the only one who hasn't changed but every other one

You know after the 2021 season has had a change and some of them been promotion within like Ben Johnson was obviously on the coaching staff And is now OC but they're all have changed and there's there's also a shitload of Irish head coaches now in the NFL Yeah, like very blatantly Irish last names. Yeah, they're everywhere I I have to wonder if Tennessee is gonna try to get his dad to come in and coach the offensive point. I think he is. That would rock. Yeah. Father and son duo. He's got to be. But it is an interesting point on where the league is going that it's like it feels like offensive coordinators. You hire an offensive coordinator hoping that they can you know crush that side of the ball and then you just piece together a defensive staff. That feels like how it's going. Because we also lost Pete Carroll. I should have mentioned

Pete Carroll, CEO head coach. Pete Carroll may be back in the mix though. Oh yeah? So they were saying the Chargers are within striking distance with Harbaugh. Yes. I guess they brought in the wife for the next interview. So things are getting very serious. But Carroll, his name has also been tossed to the mix for the Chargers.

I like that. Because I don't think he's done. Yeah. I don't think he's done. Yeah. I don't think he's done. I don't, Pete Carroll would go insane if he stopped coaching. Yeah, he needs to, he's just be chewing through

every piece of gum in the world. His entire life is just on a football field. The last thing I had, oh, I had one other thing. We did not do a good enough job of just saying how incredible Chris Jones is as a football player. Because watching back that throw that missed in the end zone, that was Chris Jones bump pumping into Josh Allen. Yeah, he had digs underneath

and he went for the home run, he went for the touchdown, which I like. I like the fact that they were trying to score and he thought that he had it through open, but yeah, Chris Jones just bull rushed. It was some stat, like he lined up like five or six times on the edge down the stretch and every single time he just wrecked the play.

And he is like one of those, like you need one of those dudes in the playoffs who's like okay when we get to the fourth quarter of a tight game you're just gonna start taking over and single-handedly wrecking plays. Yeah it's gonna be a great week in a football so excited about this weekend. I'm very very excited. Okay so last thing I had was what do we make of this report out of Philadelphia that Jalen Hertz might be a diva. Oh I didn't see that one yeah you'll have to explain that one to I had was, what do we make of this report out of Philadelphia that Jalen Hertz might be a diva?

Oh, I didn't see that one. Yeah. You'll have to explain that one to me because I asked, what does it say? There was reports that Jalen Hertz was a little detached this season from the team. And now the report did say that he's a great guy, but he doesn't always know when he comes off his standoffish. Yeah, like when he does those videos of him he comes off his standoffish. Yeah. Like when he does those videos of him shopping at Target, he sets his camera up.

A lot of people are like, Hey, why are you asking for all this attention? Getting a haircut. Yeah. Yeah. Putting on his sweatpants, staring at the TV. There's been bullshit coming out of the media from the Eagles all year. So it's all, it's all a bunch of crap. Everyone knows the Eagles gets clicks right now,

so they're making stuff up, or they're fabricating, or they're embellishing what is going on in that Eagles locker room, and it's disgusting. Oh, that's an interesting word, a change you just made. Fabrication would be making it up. Embellishment means there's a little kernel of truth.

Well, there's probably one person who's in like the equipment room who probably said some bullshit that wasn't true. Okay. Do you think that there's a little bit of diva to him? No, I think Jalen Hurst is a great leader of men and a good quarterback. Little standoffish?

No. So even better person than he is a football player. Yeah. That's what you just said. Yes. I want my quarterback to be way better of a player. Yes. I want a dickhead for way better of a player yes I want a dickhead for a quarterback that was good as both and then Florio is trying

to start this narrative that is getting traded oh Florio will fix you right or I do I respect that about Florio is like he there's nothing off limits he put out something it was like if the if the Eagles wanted to trade jail and Hertz it would be very easy for them well yeah I assume so. He's really good at quarterback. It was some bullshit about his contract that makes it, yeah. Florida was like a stoner that doesn't smoke weed.

Like, he just like. That's not perfect. He just gets baked and is like, you know what would be cool to write about? He's a stoner that doesn't smoke. Trading the Eagle, trading Jalen Hertz. Like, that'd be cool. That'd be wild

It's he gets baked on so if it was a crazy saying Tom Brady coming back to He's gonna play quarterback for the Patriots Next year now that bills out of town. Did you see that report by the way? Could happen the Kyle Shanahan told Brock Purdy He's the start. This is also we don't know if this is true But it was reported that Kyle Shanahan before the season's hold, Brock Perti, he's a starter unless Tom Brady wants to come back. I like that. Yeah, I think that probably is true.

If Tom Brady wanted to come back, I think almost every team in the league would be like, yeah, sorry, you know what? We're gonna, you're gonna ride the bench for a year. What if Brock Perti gets hurt again in the NFC championship game? I want to go to Tom Brady. No, I want Phillip Rivers.

Like Phillip Rivers should be the guy. Yeah, I agree We were promised Phillip Rivers last year or Big Ben would be pretty sweet. RG3 Didn't Big Ben say like so disrespectful of Sam Darnold. Didn't Big Ben say like I did I did get a call Last year about the 49ers like to see if I wanted it was probably a prank call I think Big Ben just said that but yeah, give me Big Ben or Phillip River It was probably like a reporter from Pittsburgh being like, would you take the job if the Niners called you? He's like, well, I did technically get a call

about the Niners, so I'm not lying. Okay. I hope that Brock Purdy doesn't get hurt in this game. I don't want him to get hurt either. But if he does, that would kind of rock just to see who Kyle would come up with. Again, Sam Darnley is on the roster. I don't think it's gonna be Sam. Yeah, Tom Brady in the Super Bowl.

Against Mahomes. Now this is fan fiction. That would be great. Against Mahomes, Taylor Swift watching. Yeah. Holy shit. I mean, it is, we've seen a lot of stuff about how the NFL wants Taylor Swift at this game.

Yeah, it's rigged. And it's rigged. And Warren Sharp just put out a stat about the official that they called in. They hit the Scott Foster button in the NFL. The official that's going to be refing this game. Home teams lose at a much, much higher rate with this guy. Take it Sean Smith. Is that the guy's name? Smith. He sounds like a fake name. He calls a lot of false starts perfect guy on the home team not so many on the away team like Disproportionately, there's a there's a big difference there

So they called in the big guns to try to make Lamar win this yeah to make Lamar lose game here The numbers Sean Smith on cheese game last three years with other refs home teams win 56% of the time But with Smith home win rates dropped to 41% Oh, yeah, I thought it would be different Jake I thought that the NFL would want Taylor Swift to not be at the game because there's so many people out there that Said that they were gonna stop watching football because Taylor Swift's on yeah So they want to make sure that she's nowhere near the Super Bowl this year also the Swifties have done a deep dive I think she has an errors tour concert

Very far away. They're Australia. It's It's Japan, yeah, we talked about that. She better, if she's a real one. But the day before, she would get the time back so it's possible on her PJ. The game thread from the Swifties was so funny. I don't know if you guys saw this. Oh yeah, like lots of touch back or something. Yeah, it was, here was one of them.

I hope that the Bill's kicker doesn't beat himself up too much, it's an awful situation to be in. I hope that he's around a great support system. Someone else wrote, I feel like I want to cry and puke and also like I can't breathe. I'm assuming this is fairly normal in this kind of game. Yeah, football rocks. Welcome to football Swifties. What is the touchback? I'm so lost. It's great. Yeah, they, Swifties. I think it's been great for the game this year because it brings in so many people who just don't watch football and For the day some of them are gonna still watch football. Yeah after this Taylor Swift era pun intended

I don't know if there's a ton that are gonna stick around Maybe not a ton. I think of how big her audience is yeah 100 million Swifties start watching if a million of them stick around that's a million more football fans We need them football does rock. Yeah, that's how the breakup goes. Yeah, that's true. Oh, if they're getting beached. Oh, hey, you're breaking them up? No, if there is one and it doesn't go, you know, the Swifties don't like how it went down.

What if Taylor did like a fuck football song that was like a number one hit? Yeah, that would be bad for the league. She probably would. We'd have to grab our swords and armor. Yeah, she blames the relationship on football. Because of his commitment to football. Yeah. Not'd have to grab our swords. She blames the relationship on football because of his commitment to football. Not his commitment to her. He didn't go to the Golden Globes because he had a game or something. Little does Taylor know Travis Kelsey is not even that committed

to football. We're way more committed. He only plays in one game a week. We watch all of them. I think Romo said they were married again on the broadcast. Yeah, he's just doing that. Really? He just getting freaky with it. He did it earlier in the season I think he made another comment. He doesn't care. I don't know about that. Forgot we had Romo in the Super Bowl this year. Oh god. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot about that. His hairpiece. Allegedly. His allegedly. I'm just saying look at the hair line next time Romo's on the dance. It's a little Lego hair line. It's a little poofy. Yeah. He's got a poof where there was no poof before. It looks very full. Yeah a little too full. a little Lego hair. It's a little poofy. Yeah. He's got a poof where there was no poof before. It looks very full. Yeah. A little too full. A little too full. Carl

Ravich like. Yeah. A little for a guy wore a helmet and a hat for a long time. Bill Sulf. Yeah. He said there's your brother-in-law on the CBS broadcast. Got it. Yeah. Got it. Let's put the ring on her. Yeah. He did it. I think again I think that Tony's trying to push them apart. I think that this is a wedge issue. I think Tony's trying to swoop in on Taylor Swift. Yeah. All right, let's do hot sea cool throne. It's brought to you by our friends at Coors Light. When you're juggling work, family, and life in general,

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My hot seat is Tristan Thompson. Oh yeah. Yeah. Got busted for steroids. Yeah, he's taking- 25 game suspension. Taking the world's worst steroids. Yeah. I went immediately to my number one source of steroids in the world that I know named Billy football. And he said the craziest thing is that he was taking broke boy steroids. Oh, stuff. Frat boys and tiktokers used to bulk up. Oh, I don't

want that. He was doing it for the look, not for the functionality. Damn. That makes sense that. He was doing it for the look, not for the functionality. Damn. That makes sense. Maybe he was doing it to get less horny. Yeah. He is an all-time horny guy. Very of your horny guy.

Maybe he's trying to sterilize himself. Yeah, get his balls smaller. So it doesn't sperm as much. I remember when he just had a sex tape. I kind of forgot about that. That was weird. It was. It was like 10 seconds, but it was just like, and it was also, I feel like it was,

didn't the girl release it to be like, he's cheating on you? Yeah, I feel like with cell phones and technology, like the sex tape game, it's not a tape. It's not a tape, yeah, you're right. It changed. But yeah, is he still married to Chloe? I don't know.

Is it just a sex video? Wait, is he married to Chloe still? Someone Google that? I don't know, it it just a sex video? Wait, is he married to Chloe still? Someone Google that? I don't know. It goes back to my theory, never trust a guy named Tristan. Tristan's a bad, bad trust name. That's fair. He's got Trist right in there.

Yeah. My other hot seat was Zins. Oh, yeah. They're taking Chuck Schumer said that they're a pouch full of problems. Yeah. And they need to get reined in. Who's Chuck Schumer? He's a a pouch full of problems and they need to get rained in who's Chuck Schumer. He's a senator leader in New York Yeah, I didn't know who that was. Yeah, I saw the video that he put out He makes zero sense in his explanation sounds like a guy needs his in he doesn't need to chill out. Yeah He needs a lip pillow

That's what you need Chuck because he said like yeah There's a problem with a company that packs so much nicotine you need Chuck because he said like, yeah, there's a problem with a company that packs so much nicotine into one item and then they promote it with the social media. He just has no fucking idea what he's talking about. The problem with senators is they get a bunch of nerds that are their staffers that have to find these little like pet projects to work on. They're losers. Like what are you up to?

Well, I'm putting together this presentation for Chuck on my issue, which is that I think Zinn sucked because I'm a nerd. And then Chuck Schumer's like, yeah, this is good. I like this. Get Washington DC late. I don't think they're married. Oh, okay. Who, Chuck Schumer?

No. Chuck and Amy Schumer? Tristan. It's her dad. That's her dad? Yeah. Is it really her dad? No.

There's no way. Same last name. Let's see. Amy Schumer. Dad. Chuck Schumer. Let's see what this relationship is like They I think they are related what their cousins. Oh Look at you Hank. How about that?

Get in the pause. I know my hands My cool throw was math, but we already went over all that One other thing that I was thinking during the games on Saturday, and I think it happened Sunday, that I thought was just a thing. I did do some research and I realized that it was just, you know, my Patriots derangement syndrome. Hold on, hold on, time on time. I just want to go backward a little bit. What was the research? What did it look like? I want to know what exactly research for you is. I looked up articles that pulled the stats and showed the stats of the thing that I was

referencing. Did you read the articles? Yeah, I read the article, I read the graphs, looked at the graphs. So what did the graphs say? I thought, and I realized after doing my research that it was just because I'm a Patriots fan, but I thought that it was just a fundamental rule that you defer the toss. The Texans didn't defer the toss, they elected to receive, they went three and out, they tied the game before half, Ravens

got the ball back, scored, and the game was basically over. And I believe the Packers did it too, and I it just doesn't make sense. Why would you not defer? Why would you not get the ball back to start the second half? I just assumed that was like a cardinal fundamental rule. And then when you look at the stats, the Patriots, it's like 95% of the time they defer. And then it goes down from there. But I think you just defer every time.

I think it's a lot of coaches saw the Patriots deferring and they thought to themselves, well, if Belichick defers, then we should defer too. Yeah. Because he knows what he's doing. Has it happened recently? I know it's happened like once or twice where a guy will fuck up and one guy will say like we defer and then they'll be like All right, we'll kick off and then you get it both. Yeah, you get it both times Jair Alexander almost did yeah, and he was

Captain yeah, I also liked during the the 49ers game They said Kyle Shanahan likes to do the thing where he scores before half. And he gets the ball back and scores again. People love the middle eight. Yeah. People love talking, hey, if you can score right before half and then score right out of half, that's pretty good. That's a Kyle Shanahan signature move. It's a two for one.

Score two touchdowns. If I were a head coach in the NFL, I would like to do the thing where I score every time I have the ball. Yeah. I would also pin my ears back on defense and then I would get off the field on third down. It's a good strategy to score. Yeah. Always the fur. Always the fur. My hot seat is UGGA. Yeah. So RIP UGGA. This was UGGA 10. So UGGA

passed away on Tuesday morning in Savannah. UGGA X. Passed away quietly. U quietly Uga X He was the mascot falling that or he retired falling the 2022 season and then boom took over as Uga 11 this was the the best Uga in the history by far wait his name is boom or his name is Uga 11 It's Uga 11, but his real name is boom It's like the Dalai Lama's name isn't Dalai Lama You have a name and then you get the title of Dalai Lama and then when you retire you're no longer Dalai Lama's name isn't Dalai Lama. You have a name and then you get the title of Dalai Lama. And then when you retire, you're no longer Dalai Lama anymore. They both like kissing kids with their tongues. It's like Nebraska always has to have

a quarterback named Martinez. Got it. Yeah, so Uggah was promoted to being the, excuse me, it was Q was promoted to being Uggah. November 21st, 2015. And then he retired as the most decorated of all the Bulldog mascots. As a mascot they had a playoff they had a record of 91 and 18 they won two college football playoff national

championships great dog very good dog incredible dog rest in peace rip UGGA slash Q my cool throne is mock drafts because Mel Kuiper Jr. just released his I'm gonna go through the first one. I'm gonna go through the first one. I'm gonna go through the first one. I'm gonna go through the first one. I'm gonna go through the first one. I'm gonna go through the first one. I'm gonna go through the first one. I'm gonna go through the first one.

I'm gonna go through the first one. I'm gonna go through the first one. I'm gonna go through the first one. I'm gonna go through the first one. I'm gonna go through the first one. I'm we can get a first for Justin Fields let's just do it. With the second pick Washington commanders select Jaden Daniels. Oh LSU. Wrinkle. Little wrinkle with a third overall pick the Patriots take Drake May. Oh we're all getting new QBs. How about that yes we're getting new QBs. That by the way we just I know that we've talked about this a lot that the draft goes through us If all three of our teams take QB's

For this podcast, it's like we are intertwined forever For the next five years It's gonna be a debate between the three of us Mexican standoff who which QB was the good QB And two of the three of us will hate one of the other people Yeah, one has to be elite one guy is gonna be awesome who awesome. Two are going to suck. And two are going to suck. And then we're going to fucking despise the person that got the good quarter. And it's going to be, oh my god, the pressure is just insane.

So I think what Mel is doing here, and it's smart, is what Mel likes to do. And they always call it mock draft 1.0. And then you can have draft 1.1. And then later you do two, then 2.1. You can just update your mock draft from here until the actual day that it's done. I think he put Daniels that high because later he'll have them switch. Yeah. And

it'll be like, you know what, more information has come to light, new research has come out. And I think that now the commander's leaning towards Drake May. You gotta wait for pro day, combat. Yeah, you get, you get, you get some iteration of your mock draft is right. Yeah. And this one did not have trades I don't think but I always like the hypothetical trades because that's that's the ultimate fanfic. You can turn into our junior draft analyst Steven Shea because he usually does a mock draft with like 15 trades. Yeah, the trend they're all wrong. Yeah, they're all incredibly incorrect. Also big cat I think you got you got a dunes. Oh, nice. Yeah, So that's a nice little one-two combo. I like him.

But yeah, love mock draft season. It does hit different being at the top of the draft. Just give me all the content right now. Let me just daydream about having a new quarterback. I know. We fantastic. I'm really going to be sad. Hopefully the Bears don't have the first pick next year because that would mean they would

suck really, really bad. But having the first pick is an addiction. It's- Well, you just said you could trade fields for a first rounder. Yeah, maybe we'll get, yeah. Maybe like the Falcons will suck. Being able to root against the team is awesome too.

Hmm, okay. All right, my hot seat is the goat conversation because Kevin Durant is asking why he's not in the goat conversation. He's also firing back at people on Twitter. Kevin Durant's in his bag right now. He destroyed that fan. So he went on Twitter today.

He was, he- Are we still saying took to Twitter? Took to Twitter? We used to say that all the time. You can't take to X, right? You take to Twitter. Yeah, so someone, he asked why he's not in the goat conversation and someone replied, some, uh, he, he asked why he's not in the goat conversation

and someone replied, Jacob, the clipper said, would MGA be in the goat convo if he left the bowls in 1990 and joined the bad boy pistons or if LeBron left the calves and joined the big three, the Celtics in 2010. Kevin Durant said, I can sit at any table at any time and talk basketball comfortably with anybody that has played the game. But Jacob, the clipper said, I couldn't. Nobody knows you, bro. Move around, you have no credentials in my world. Move around is such a good bird. Move around, and then he had another one, someone was basically like, dude, you're tweeting too much,

bro, still replying to people on Twitter, you're so shameless. He wrote, you gotta accept that you won't change my mind on these things, and me saying them out loud has no real effect on your life. You can just ignore me and move on, you don't have to engage. Great point. That's a great point.

You know who could stand to use some of that advice? Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant probably, yeah. He did hit a shot against the bulls. I was watching that game, the game winner, where it was like, maybe he should be in the go conversation because he like double clutched moving away from his body. He's really good. Very very good. But the go conversation has got a little murky if Kevin Durant's in it. I put Steph Curry up there. He's in's really good very very good, but the go conversation has got a little murky if Kevin rants in it

I put Steph Curry up there He's in the go I'm putting Steph Curry in the go conversation. Oh, there is some breaking news. Katie gets another ring I think he's in it in the conversation You think so where though? Phoenix okay, it doesn't say Katie on the box. Maybe Katie on the Celtics No, yeah Hmm, so you're sounding like Jacob the Clipper. Well, yeah, you gotta, I mean, even even LeBron, at least he got one not on the Superteam. A real one. LeBron has one real ring. He had, he had bums like Kevin

Loven, Kyrie Irving. True. It's, it is very funny whenever this debate comes up. It's like, yeah, well he had play, every team in the history of the NBA needs good players. Yeah. The Bulls had some pretty good players. Yeah. Scotty Pippen top 50 players. One of the best players ever. Like, it's just, it's very funny.

You know, obviously I changed the dynamic when you like move to a team that's already establishing really good, but every team ever that has won a championship had a lot of good players. Yeah, there is. We have a quick update here from the NBA about what's going on up in Milwaukee. Oh, yeah. This is kind of this is a wild story. This looks like the athletic font. I know the athletic font. It says league sources say Doc Rivers who signed on as an ESPN analyst after getting fired by Philadelphia in May began to serve as an informal consultant to Griffin at the behest of the Bucks. One month later, multiple sources briefed on the matter

now indicate that Rivers is the serious leader for the now vacant position. So he's little thing. In the third choice of key stakeholders. This is Dick Cheney. This is Dick Cheney in the year 1999, 2000, when George Bush was like, I need you to find me a vice president

Go out and see what's going on and then dick changed like it should be me. Yeah, I'm I'm your vice president each He's he set this whole thing up, you know, it's a vintage by the way. I I Listen to Dr. Rivers on ESPN now. I don't know what he was clearly Compromise I can't believe that ESPN would ever show bias. This is bullshit. To any team. Give me my money back. Or just let me log in once. Yeah, so. And stay logged in. I've been going through this bullshit trying to read Mel Kiper's draft today.

No joke. I have tried to log in six times to ESPN Plus to read the unlocked article and they keep not letting me in. They- It fucking sucks. And not to say anything about when I try to like watch a UFC fight on their app and it kicks you out, you have to sign back in. It's an unusable website. Dude, I let me watch Mississippi Valley State because I have the over okay, I try to

log in kicks me out can't log in. Let me watch my college basketball games. This is no one else is watching. This is the worst. Also, I kind of respect in a funny way dock rivers. Yeah, like it's, it's power. It's good having a guy that's just going behind everyone. I'm gonna take a year off from coaching while trying to get my next coaching job with the best player in the world. Smart.

You honest his brother? Yes, I was just seeing, I was bait. I was throwing out some bait to these two. Yeah, I was gonna say, he already did that. He already coached the team with the best player. He coached the Nug the best you coach the nuggets I Mean oh and B to eight Joe Gitch's lunch last week. Oh, how many how many rings is yeah, what did he have for lunch? eight is launch Yeah, how many well no don't do rings. We're not ring culture. We're having that we're not having the goat debate

No, no, let's not do rings P. F. You cannot have it. That's not have a good one. Follow me here. Don't do the rings That's very unfair. Let's because rings, you know anything can happen in the NBA playoffs. Why don't we? Bring it down a little bit. How many East how many conference championships has Yoke itch and and be bent to he doesn't play the Celtics Wait, so it beats never been to a conference championship He doesn't have to eat it. Joe's never played the Celtic.ics. Damn. How many titles does this iteration have the Celtics have? They, moot point. I don't know, I think it's a pretty relevant point. If you're saying like they have to get past the Celtics, I would assume that means that

the Celtics are a dynasty where it's like Tom Brady. They're good at stopping big men. It's our horror for you. Are they, wait, so the Celtics're good at stopping big man. It's our whore for it. Are they, wait, so the Celtics are good at stopping big man? The Celtics have a dynasty of stopping big man. What if the Celtics were to play against the team in the finals and had a good big man? What would happen then?

Oh, I don't know. Let's keep going. Okay, all right. All right, my cool throne, Max, this is a good one. My cool throne is me and Max, because we've been lifting now four weeks, and I'm not gonna lie, I'm feeling stronger. And people are probably gonna be hate or hate on us, Max,

because we're gonna get in shape. We've lost like five pounds, just fucking getting the metabolism going. So watch out. Max and I are gonna be weapons. I feel strong, I feel better. Yeah, I do too. The free launch every day is tough for the diet, but

Well, it's a good thing. You just didn't get it today. I did. I know it did come. It was good. The it's crazy How I don't know when we learn this is like kids. What point we're like, oh, yeah to get in shape You got to run that's so wrong. Mm-hmm like Cardio, okay fine play a little basketball once a week It's so wrong. Like cardio, okay fine, play a little basketball once a week. Dude, lifting weights is the best way to get in shape because you just feel stronger

and you start, your metabolism goes, feels good. You get the HGH going if you do squats. Yeah. You bend heavy. Right. Now I've considered adding a new wrinkle to my workout routine, which is, so far I'm doing some weights. I do the sauna, thinking about adding in the cold tub.

Ooh, I am too. The cold plunge in the morning. You wanna do it together? Yeah, yeah. I think I got a cold tub plug. I do too, he's been bothering me. Is his name Billy? No.

Okay, mine's his name's Billy. No offense to the guy, but he's just been like, when you get it, when you get it. But I think my plan is, first thing in the morning, here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna wake up, and before I time to even to wake up or think about anything Just get in my routine go into the bathroom Sit in the cold plunge be in there for a minute and then get out and then I think that means that you lose like 20 pounds

Yeah, you get you get happier smarter don't need coffee. You better. Well, we want people to drink I drink coffee for the taste Okay, so bleep that. Yep. Yeah. I have a thing that whenever I'm at the beach, I always tell, like, just a quick tightening if you go into the cold water and like... Yeah, yeah. Tighten you up. Tighten you up.

Yeah. Oh, shit, dude. Do 20 push-ups, get in the cold water? The cold, like the cold water, the flabbiness just comes a little bit less flabby. Yeah. I can't... I imagine that if you're just sitting... We should do a podcast from a cold plunge. Yeah. So what kind of takes come out? I think you probably do your best thinking.

Great week. Yeah. Yeah. That's as great as it gets. Maybe I'll just do a live stream every morning. Like as I get in the cold plunge, ask me anything about sports rapid fire takes. Ice cold takes. Yeah. Kind of like that. Yeah. Okay, Jake, your hot seat cool Trump. My hot seat, baseball writers. It's that time of year. They're posting their Hall of Fame ballot. And by the time you're listening to this podcast,

the class will be revealed. No Barry Bonds. What do you guys think? It's a sham. It's a mockery of an institution without Barry Bonds. Who do you think's getting in? Doesn't matter. You've seen the nominees.

Who are they? Adrian Beltray sure there's so many nominees don't touch his head yeah every year Dan Herron Joe Bowers should get in Joe Maurer excuse me Todd Helton Gary Sheffield are you reading the whole list no okay these are the who's supposed to get in Chase hotly I mean Barry bonds should get it Barryonds and a rod should be it Yeah, Roger Clemens. Mm-hmm. Should be it. I'm Chase hotly Yeah, Andrew Jones is awesome. So we'll see Gary Sheffield should be in

I don't know what his stats are but just watching him watching the bat. Yeah, great bat. Yeah, my cool throne pop up a plug God Did you do a pop upupa Pluggod? Yeah, I tried. OK. Ruffin' Rowdy. Yes. There's the reggaeton. Pupupa Pluggod.

Yeah, Ruffin' Rowdy Thursday night, Providence, Hank of PFT will be there. I'll be there, just in the anthem, calling the fights. First Thursday, Ruffin' Rowdy. Yeah, it's $20 too. It's a little cheaper. Bobby Lang fighting. Bobby Lang's fighting, defending his title.

And also, if you buy it on on Thursday you can watch it all weekend so you know if you can't watch it Thursday buy it because it's going to be great. It's going to be great entertainment. I love doing rough and rowdy Thursday night Providence. Providence is one of our most electric crowds too. Remember a few years ago when I tried to sing the Canadian national anthem and everyone booed me and I just laughed. That was awesome. Huge weekend in Providence too. Yeah. Start off with a rough roundy then Ed Cooley's return.

Friday night or Saturday? Yep. Do you think they're going to give him a round of applause? Oh, they'll be nice. Yeah, they'll be nice. Yeah, they'll be nice. Is this going to be at the dunk? Yeah, they'll be nice.

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Your dad was the second technically because he was in the background. Yeah, you were the first and it was a five minute interview that sucked because we did suck. I remember walking around my house and then like answering the door because my dad was coming over and I was like, on this show, pardon my take. And he's like, what's that? And then, you know, like three, four years down the line, you guys are landing the big fish in Howie. And I watched the interview, it was great.

Yeah, we thought it was very funny if we did four good minutes instead of five good minutes like PTI. And I remember we asked you like two questions and we tried to play you off. And we're like, PFT and I both afterwards like you like two questions and we tried to play you off and we're like PFT and I both afterwards like we that was the dumbest idea ever We can't do that again like we got Chris long and we had we spent four minutes talking to him But go check out Chris. He the green light podcast phenomenally is also on inside the NFL

He's everywhere the longs are taking over Uh, Chris. Yeah, great to see you. Let to see you. Let's talk some ball. Let's do it. I got a lot of questions. We've got some coaching questions. But let's talk first about what we just watched, what we have coming up. Patrick Mahomes, the thief of joy for every city that's

not Kansas City. When you watch him, are you like, when you're watching that game on Sunday, were you like, yeah, they're going to win this game because it's Patrick Mahomes? Yeah. I mean, to be honest, like it's not, I did not enjoy winning money on that game. Like, you know, like cheese plus three, it just felt like the thing to do. And not because of just Patrick Mahomes, I think also because of the rest advantage. Like

you guys know it's a two day difference. And, you know, if you try to imagine how your body feels on a Friday relative to a Thursday or Saturday relative to a Thursday, I think like you put yourself in that position and you think about all the injuries the bills had. I'm not making excuses for them because, you know, like obviously I thought before the game that the Chiefs had a good chance to win this thing.

But I think in the second half, that thing kind of like, especially with Kansas City's run game, it just, the monkey jumped on their back, you know, and they just, it just became a thing where that rest really showed up. And I thought not to get too like technical, but I thought Buffalo was a little bit, a little bit stubborn trying to run the ball

and stay conservative late on some of those drives into like heavy boxes. And then, you know, Josh, the deep balls are there. So at the end of the game, I'm just sitting there and like, I'm not even, I'm not even happy. I won the money. It's like, I hate the fact that Josh lost and I hate the fact that we got to hear the takes again as if like QB wins as a stat anyways, but on top of it, the teams that he's lost to for the most part in the playoffs have been the chiefs and Joe Burrow in the snow. And you know, the guy has, he's got a hundred rating for his career in the postseason.

He's 21 touchdowns, four interceptions. He's not the reason they're losing these games. But you know how it goes. Yeah. So how would you fix the bills? It sounds to me like you don't think there's a lot that needs to be fixed. Maybe a small change in philosophy. Better injury luck. Like what is the actual fix if you're a bills fan?

Because I know things are going to get dicey with the cap. Move the team to the NFC. Yeah. Yes. Like it is dicey with the cap. Move the team to the NFC. Yeah. Yes. Like it is dicey with the cap. You bring up a great point and obviously like digs his his issues down the stretch. I mean, he was getting like three targets less a game. And I think sometimes when like a Joe Brady comes in, we can't see the invisible part of being a quarterback, which is just like what's what's in his head as far as like, do I have to get the ball to Stefan? Like on some of these picks, is he forcing the ball to Diggs?

Because you have a great player that you want to get the ball to, and I don't think he's a pain in the ass or anything. I'm not saying that. But I think a new coordinator can come in sometimes and be like, hey, we're gonna run the offense. And I think the top part is Josh and Diggs play really good backyard ball together. But when you add some structure to the offense, when you run a lot of two tight end sets,

he just didn't get the ball as much. So I think you definitely need better wide receivers. You need better rushers, right? Like Vaughn Miller, as great as he is, you didn't get the juice out of him, you know, that you got in years past. And so I think in those areas, they have to improve. But when it comes to like Sean McDermott, people were jumping to fire him after the game.

I actually thought they overachieved this year, especially relative to the injuries on defense. Once they lost Matt Milano, he's like my favorite linebacker in the game, I could not believe that they were able to kind of stick the landing on this run, especially with Trey white down to Kwon Jones for stretches, a whole bunch of guys and then going in that game. Even more, I thought that the only thing that that Sean could have got fired over was the was the 911. Yeah, yeah, I was saying after the game, I felt like Andy Reece should have got up there and been like, ladies and gentlemen, we got. That would have been incredible.

Or like the rock. I'm here to announce that we've compromised the fullest extent, Sean McDermott and the Buffalo Bill 12. Do you remember with John Cena? This is my favorite thing ever when John Cena stopped the wrestling match. Yeah, oh, that's what I meant. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

John Cena. It was Cena. And he was like, I just want to stop, you know, the event here and let you know that Osama bin Laden is dead. Listen, listen, with John Cena, like, I know that we joke around a lot, but I didn't think that was cool because like a guy died. A guy died and we don't like to joke about that. Oh, all right. Even if it is bin Laden, you know, like he's still a person that had a family. Yeah. Chris. So the other the other team in the AFC that yeah it's always like what have you last seen. So like we saw the Bill's Chiefs game on Sunday nights that becomes the talk

on Monday. The Ravens destroyed the Texans. And from your perspective because you know ball and you play defense for a very long time. What is it about their defense because it's not even like they have incredible like they don't have a boss or Miles Garrett or TJ Watt on their defensive line. But they're as a collective unit they play some of the nastiest defense and they're getting after the quarterback. What is it about what they're doing that has you impressed and like can anyone stop that? Can anyone like score on that defense? Yeah, I mean like dude, I got into some shit with Ravens fans earlier this year.

Cause I was kind of like, they don't have any superstars and I didn't mean that as a slight. I just mean like when you rolled the ball out on this team, start the season, that defense is so evenly distributed. It's not like, to your point, one star. Roquan Smith is the closest thing to a superstar in my opinion they have, but he's an, he's an off ball linebacker. We don't value those guys the same, obviously, Bears in Big Cat. But I also was talking to Bobby Wagner about this because he came through inside the NFL today and that trade, it's easy to say, Bears are idiots. And this is my take is like, oh, if you'd have shipped Roquan to a team

that didn't have the front that they have, you might not be having the same conversation. It's hard to compare the situations. And then on top of it, I know that like you pick up TJ Edwards and the dude from Buffalo, and it costs you about the same. Yeah, that means.

But you kind of fix the defense. So, I think oftentimes with these trades, you look at it like there's a clear winner and a clear loser. the same. Yeah, but you kind of fix the defense. So you know, like I think oftentimes with these trades, you look at it like there's a clear winner and a clear loser. I think like the nuances that Baltimore has these guys that unlock all his potential. I think Judevi and clowny people have tried to talk about him in certain lights throughout his career because of the SAG numbers. And he's a really good rusher,

but he was never the kind of rusher, and I know something about this, that would justify being a top five pick. Like, the one thing that he does really, really, really well is he is a demon in the run game. And, you know, like you watched him this weekend, setting edges, disrupting things. Matt Abike, that guy should have been in the conversation

for defense player of the year. And he's just this kind of like short, non-descript defensive tackle that doesn't have a big name. And he's just taking it over. I think Kyle Hamilton, the versatility, you look at the stuff that they did in the San Francisco game with him, the way they aligned him.

They have such great freedom and they drafted so well. Most of the guys getting snaps on defense are young guys that they brought up in their system. So do I think they can get the ball moved on? I'm sure. I think that coordinator has done a tremendous job. You could look at some games where you got some teams that ran some more gap scheme.

There were teams that were not afraid to run the ball on them like LA started the game with seven runs and you don't think about LA as some juggernaut on the ground, but that's kind of the meat and potatoes of what they do. Everything comes off of it. Cleveland got into gap scheme and wore them out. I'm not saying Kansas City is going to be able to do this, but I've been harping on it all year and maybe they go the other way and throw the ball 40 times. But I think this run game with Pacheco and some of the big bodies they have inside can kind of keep, keep things

interesting for them. I think the bigger question is spags against Lamar, right? Yeah. It's eight. By the way, I want to just say the Pacheco point is a great point because like the chiefs don't have the receivers they've had in the past, but Pachecova is the best running back. The patch mode said he runs so nasty and he's so good and it's like, it's such a compliment to the, to their game. But yeah, you're right. Spags versus Lamar, like Spags is going to want to blitz. Lamar, you know, I mean, it happened on Saturday. They blitz them 70% of the time and he ate them up, but usually Lamar hasn't been the best against the Blitz. So how do you go? I don't want to take anything away from Lamar because

what we're doing here is cutting hairs and talking about ways that, you know, like the dog could win or, you know, like most people think the Ravens are the better team and they are, they have more talent. But as you know, in the playoffs, it's just, you know, like it's, it's game plan. It's who plays better that day. And I think Kansas City has played 10 to 15% better in the playoffs. Like a lot of teams do, they just figure out ways to turn it on. I think teams like, hey, Virginia, Tony Bennett,

using that as an example, not to be cute here. The guy who lost to a 16 seed? Yes, but we both have ties to Tony Bennett. So I'm gonna use that. And maybe you're a little better. But here's the thing with Tony Bennett. So I'm going to use that. And maybe you're a little bitter. But here's the thing with Tony Bennett. It's a Virginia fan.

I always look at things through rosy colored glasses, take the 16 seed loss out of it. OK, I don't mean to own myself here. But when you have a really good coach that can develop players and develop the team, the ceiling's always higher than you think. And so as a Virginia fan, I'm always like, well, we might suck week one, but we'll be better. We might still lose to UMBC, but we'll be better at the end

of the season. I think having an Andy Reid, having Patrick Mahomes, you never know. And that's why I wouldn't come off this Chief's things this year. They're going to get better in the playoffs. And I think watching D'Amico Rines, not only in the first matchup, but the second one,

and seeing the pressure that got home in the first half of both those games, and then the adjustments that they made offensively, that's the chess match, because you're gonna look at what they did to adjust, and Spags is looking at that the same way that, say, you know, the Ravens are looking at the way the Bills dented them in the run game. I think if you're looking at that the same way that say, you know, the Ravens are looking at the way the bills dented them in the run game. I think if you're looking at two things that these

franchises are looking at this week, these teams, it's, Hey, can we manufacture pressure? What's our plan? Are we going to drop eight? Sometimes is there something we can glean from the adjustments they made? Yeah. So what would you want Lamar Jackson to have to do if you're the chief defense? If you're, if you're spags, you want to take away what Lamar does this? I assume that would mean like limit his running opportunities, right? I think the thing he does best I mean, you know, I just want to be clear about this is like he's been throwing the football at At a high high level like some of these areas in the field that he's hitting And not just hitting the areas of the field in the throws

But the quick release the arm angles like and it's not for show, you know, how people are like, Hey, he didn't need to drop his arm angle there. The dude is a magician throwing the football, but the last thing I want from him as dangerous as he is running the ball is I don't want a five second down. You know, I don't want these downs where they get three, three guys out in the route, they max protect. And, you know, one of these deep overs is going to come open, you know, because he just buys time.

And so, you know, like you like your group upfront, sure, but Spags has been great at manufacturing pressure, maybe second only to the Ravens this year. And coming up with free runners. And I think if you can speed Lamar up to where, hey, make him hit a shot outside the numbers, he's a great deep ball throw. He's been a little inconsistent at times this year, but you know, I'll take that over, hey, it's going to be a six second down and mixing it up and

staying out of man in situations because you all know this, if you're in man, the quarterback under center or in shotgun, he knows that and he knows backs are turned. Right. And so that's a big one and Willie Gay is a big, big deal this weekend. If he doesn't play, he's the one backer that has the speed to at least hang with Lamar in a spy situation. If they don't have that, they have to look elsewhere.

Well, I have a question for you though. Mark Andrews, he potentially could play. I feel like that would be huge, obviously, for the Ravens because not only because Mark Andrews is a phenomenal player, but likely has gotten a ton of reps, a lot of confidence. And now, like if you have guys spying them and you have two tight ends that can catch the ball over the middle of the field, everything

gets a little bit more convoluted for how the Chiefs can play defense. Like, is that a fair assessment that if Mark Andrew plays like that's that's tough now because the middle of the field becomes a big problem for the Chiefs. I think it's really tough because like, you know, I thought one of the adjustments that was going to be interesting to see is like when Mark Andrews left like likely he's not an inline guy. So they would split them out and get them in these like

creative situations and they'd run record the big ass fullback that we all know and love at like tight end. And that sort of thing. But having a guy in the core again who you also are afraid of catching the ball is like it's a real wrinkle and you don't know how to match some of these personnel sets. I thought if he was coming back last week, they would have shredded, you know, Houston because of the cover three they play. And like, you know, that cover three, you're going to have two seams that guys are working. And now if you got two tight ends in a situation like that, that's not as much of what Kansas City does. But Kansas City is down as a starting safety. And I don't know what the status of the number two is.

So it could be a big thing. Yeah. I'm glad you brought up Pat record. We do love him. Project Pat Beast. He's built was he like three hundred five pounds six foot three full back tight end offensive linemen sometimes as a defensive linemen. If you're going up against a team that's got like a punishing full back.

Does it just make your day suck that much more knowing you're going to get chipped by this guy like how does having one of the best full backs in the league change your mentality going into a game. Well honestly it just I kind of love it because I know they're going to run stuff that you know like I I know they're going to run things that are in my wheelhouse like you know I know they're going to run trap I know they're gonna run things that are in my wheelhouse. Like, you know, I know they're gonna run trap. I know they're gonna bring him across the formation and try to kick you out and that sort of thing. And, you know, like defense events,

we're used to taking on pulling guards and that sort of thing. I honestly, the worst kind of guy to line up against was a tight end with like long ass arms. Like I'd much rather deal with a team that's gonna feature a fullback than has a tight end that's got reach on me. And you know, in some of the defenses you're in, you're lined up, head up on that guy and that sort of thing.

So, you know, when I saw a good fullback, I just more wanted to come up and shake his hand and be like, thank you for your service. Thank you for your service. And, you know, there's not a lot of you left. Yeah, yeah. I can tell my kids I played against a fullback. And so, you know, it's just record, angled a couple of guys in the league now.

But I think they love Pat Ricard because you could see early in the season, even with Keaton Mitchell coming on and Justice Hill and all the backs they have in the backfield that, you know, like were explosive for them at different points of the year. They love having him on the field. And they feel like they can put him in different spots. He can play tight end and play full back.

You know, they ask a lot of him. So Chris, where are we at with Brock Purdy? Does he stink or is he elite? You can only answer one way. Isn't that funny that that's kind of what it is? It's like, you know, like, like, um, and I thought Cam Newton made some good points, right? Like, but I think there's a big, there's a spectrum of game managers.

And I don't even like, I like rebranding it game executive. We were talking about this because if you're a game executive, that just sounds good. You know, like when you get promoted and people want better titles for the next job and that sort of thing. Yeah. It's like every accounting firm has a billion VPs. Yeah. And you're like, Oh, you're a vice president. It's like, well, yeah, there's like 3000 of them. Yeah, it's like every accounting firm has a billion VPs. Yeah.

And you're like, oh, you're a vice president. It's like, well, yeah, there's like 3,000 of them. Yeah, that counts. I like just calling them a man. Like you're a game man. He's a game man. He's a game man. And I don't think this is such an emotional topic

for everybody. That's crazy. I mean, like, if you don't want to put Perti in the category of, I think there's two categories of quarterbacks in the league. And here I am again being binary. But there's a group of six to seven guys that you can win because of.

You can win a Super Bowl because of and they're different. And those guys are obviously like Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Lamar, Herbert, if he proves something more. Jordan Love's going to be a guy they talk about in that class next year if he continues this run Stafford, I think is in that group. Stroud. Yeah. Stroud. I think like I'm jumping out. You can say Jalen Hertz. That's interesting.

Jalen Hertz is right on the outside of that stuff. Like I think you got to earn your way into that category. And I think Jalen Hertz is capable of playing in an MVP level. He showed you that. But I think there are certain guys that the dependency on a good scheme and things being right is a little bit higher. And so for me to not call Jalen Hertz one of the top five to six quarterbacks in the league, we've gotten so emotional as fans.

And I think as players too, like players, they take everything personal. Jalen Hertz, the guy I had won on my team, he's not the problem in Philly, but I don't think it's a hot take to separate, you know, that echelon of quarterbacks from, you know, hurts, who's had more football that didn't look like the MVP season than that did. And so long story short, I think Pertie deserves a lot of credit.

I think he's a fringe top 10 guy, wherever you want to put him on the, you know, on the inside of that top 10, on the outside of the top 10, I think he shows me a lot of stuff. Like when you compare him to another quarterback, Dan, who you and I, you know, gotten spirited discussions over down in Miami, I think the closest comparison was like a guy and trying to figure out how big of a part of their winning. Is he, I think I've always been a fan of Jay Cutler. I know you hate him. Hey, Jay's on the of Jay Cutler. I know you hate him. Hey, Jay's on. I know. I know that's why I did that. We walked him out there today because

there's some stat where quarterbacks with two touchdowns and two rushing, rushing touchdowns in the playoffs. It's like, you know, like Otto Graham and five athletic guys and then Jay Cutler. Yes. Yes. But yeah, you were talking about two. Yes. There are those discussions. Yeah. But the point is like Brock Purdy to me, he's made enough plays off platform that I don't call him a game manager. Now is he imperfect? Sure. Like did he look bad for a lot of the game the other night? Was the ball wet? Was he trying to glove on? Did he seem tentative? Yeah. But I also think like you come out of that game and we're trashing Brock Purdy and I'm being fair here. He made the throws he had to make in the fourth quarter.

That throw he made the Jennings on third and 10 was incredible. And then the third and five, the honey hole ball to Conley. Now last drive, like he did the things he was supposed to do. And so like for most quarterbacks, that's the conversation is like, did you do enough? And I think in that situation, he did enough. And ironically, Jordan Love, who I would take over Brock Purdy if we were drafting, he did not do the things

that you had to do. And that had to make you excited as a bearer. Yes, it was. The other thing that we, with Brock Purdy, especially that Saturday night game and the rain and everything, I do think that we kind of diminish the fact that Debo got hurt. And Kyle Shanahan probably had a big portion of that game

plan around Debo Samuel. So now you're like, all right, this is how we were going to attack them. And now we've lost Debo Samuel. It's not making excuses, but it does change how a quarterback can look. Yeah. It's real.

And I'm not caping for Brock if somebody's sitting here listening because people just, they're so emotional in these quarterbacks, like I'm not saying he's a leap, but what I am saying is, uh, when Debo's out, it's a big difference. And I think sometimes we underestimate that. I think also another interesting thing with Debo is, you know, he said he wanted to get paid as a, as a wide receiver and a running back. And now we're seeing why, cause he really does take on like a running back load.

Like he does not, I love Debo Samuel. He does not care about getting down. Like he's always gonna take contact. And like that's something I respect. But at the same time for the Niners, you know, the guy hasn't played, I think a full season in five years, like, and that comes with the territory of being him.

But when these games pop up, you have to have contingency plans. You have to have other options and other ways you can play the game. He is so important. And I think they missed him. And now you go into a game against the Lions, like, I don't know about you guys.

I saw seven points as soon as the game finished. And I know there's a reason that number's being hung there. But I don't know about you Dan. I rushed. Yeah. So so about the Lions because you are a defensive guy and I you know it's been fair all year elite level, but their secondary is a concern. It feels like they've gotten a little bit better here in the stretch run. Have you noticed that? Or is it more like they're holding on and there's, you know, especially the Rams game where it's like, they look great at the start of the game and then they kind of held on at the end. They're always going to have to hold on in the end a little bit. I mean, they, they definitely like, if you go in next year with the Lions, you're like, yeah, we need a lockdown corner or something like that. But I think CJ helps

coming back. I also think Aaron Glenn as much shit as he's caught this year because at times they have been bad, like just capital B bad. But like since week 10, we looked at this early down pressures. You watch these games. I think Tampa had a third and 15 at third and 17 at third and 18 all in the first half That's because of early down pressure and he he uptick the the early down pressure by more than 10% Over this time period when you're talking about 24% to 38% or 36% like that's a big difference. It's not like 70 to 80 Guy math. I heard you guys talking about it. Yes, Guy Math, guys, that was great. But like that adjustment to me,

if you want to like cover up some of the deficiencies you have on the back end, like let's get people off schedule. And I think like sending guys like Mel and Fawn Woo, sending guys like Brian Branch, they've done that really well on early downs. And I think this week you got to be careful, because Shanahan, he's a little bit different.

Now they did it to McVay, they did it to Baker and Canalis, good coordinators and offensive minds, but this is different. I think you got to be a little careful. Yeah, you brought up Brian Branch, where we at on the mouthpieces as accessories trend that's going on the NFL. Brian Branch, he's the only one that I like

because he's got the green mouthpiece that sticks out like an antenna above his helmet. I like that one, but you see guys like Pickens wearing two mouthpieces, neither one in their mouth digs. Digs has his flopping all over the place. Did you ever do that? No, I had to bite down on my damn You know on my mouthpiece so I didn't like bite my tongue off or chip all my teeth like when I hit people

I cracked my teeth and like I just cannot believe that some of these guys are out there like just raw dog in it Yeah, you know, it's crazy. It's insane to me, but it does look kind of cool I guess I thought we were cracking down on that stuff saying to me, but it does look kind of cool. I guess I thought we were cracking down on that stuff because they used to be real sticklers about your mouthpiece and they used to be real sticklers about your chin strap. And I think that they, you know, they give the skill guys a little leeway. Yeah. The dude on Georgia that's got, he's got one in his mouth, one hanging from his mouthpiece and then another in his earhole. He's got, he's got three of them. It's crazy dude.

Sessurizing. Yeah. I mean, if Branch plays football the way he's played at times, he can put a mouthpiece pretty much wherever he wants. I mean, on his body. Yeah. I got one last thing about the NFC Championship game. Then I want to ask you a little bit about coaching

and some of the vacancies. So we were talking about on Sunday, the one thing that's crazy about the Niners defense is they have these dudes, kind of opposite of the the Ravens they have the names on the defensive line but a guy like chase young it feels like multiple times a game he's biting on fakes or he's you know he's going down and not setting the edge it feels like the Lions run game should be able to move the ball on them what is it about the the Niners defense that you've watched where you're like, is it just undisciplined? Because they have the talent, but there's times where it's like it doesn't feel like it's coming through on what they're playing.

Well, I think there's part of its discipline, sure. I also think you look at a defensive line like that and those guys make a lot of, hey, you know, as sack artists, you know, a lot of their names because they're great pass rushers. They're also good, stout run defenders. Not like I look at Chase Young and say he's a liability if you run the ball at him, but they're aggressive. And, you know, like you come out of the Dallas game when you you're Green Bay and going back to that game, I think people were like, are they going to be able to do this against San Francisco? Let's not let's not, you know, able to do this against San Francisco. Let's not, let's not, you know, they're not certain other groups in the run game. Like you can get yardage on the ground on those guys and like, you know, for Green Bay, it was let's hit the perimeter.

You got some really fast flow linebackers, you know, let's get Aaron Jones out in space. Let's mess with them with motion. And I think, you know, you can get those backers as good as they are. A step behind, a perimeter run, and you could see what it would do. To give credit to the San Francisco front, when Green Bay got in the red zone, and that's what lost in the game,

every first down play it felt like they were losing two yards on like split zone. And that to me says, when you get down in a smaller area in the field while Green Bay could run the ball at will on Dallas when they didn't have the space to work with, you know, in the red zone where things get tighter and they had to run in the teeth of the defense. Those guys did a pretty good job. So I will say this, you know, like a four two a pop on the ground, I think Dallas four2 a pop on the ground. I think Dallas 4-1 a pop on the ground if you're if you're San Francisco. Detroit can run the ball.

Yeah, they're going to be able to. They got a guy, Penne Soule, who you guys know, is I don't think you understand how how frustrating it is to see not only a scheme. I think they build the scheme around the offensive line. You know, some teams build schemes around quarterbacks and this sort of not taking anything away from Jared because he's been great. But the run game is, is what butters their bread. And so like Penae Sewell is a guy who I've seen him in the open field running at a defensive

end where you're like, all right, I have to, I have to, I have to set the edge on this guy. He's trying to kick me out. He's the only guy I've seen. And I, you and I maybe Trent Williams could do this ironically because he's the other guy that you can build things around Of the run game that are very creative. He'll pass you up. He'll fake. So you stop your feet Oh, he froze. He got us with a he froze No, wait, you You literally froze when you said stop your feet that was perfect. We were like the the the the

the the the the the the the the

the the him by the threat of him running you over and then slow that guy down so he's not part of the play and then go run Jamel Dean over. Yeah. And I think the only guy that's like that really in the run game is Trent. And so, you know, Ragnar is out there playing his ass off. Those guys work really well together. Ben Johnson is a real good coordinator. And you know, I think he's going to be able to run the ball a little bit. Yeah, that's a great point about Penae that is you do see that a few times game where it's like the threat just stops people. You can't do that with anybody. I would just just to be fair because I know Niners fans are sitting here and thinking like, Hey, we're just building up the the lines. The Niners, I remember the Thanksgiving game when they were all puddle around the Turkey and it was

like one guy after another. It was like, Oh, there's Fred Warner, there's Nick Bosa, there's, oh, kiddo, he forgot to show up. Like it just was another blue chip guy after another. And I think they have more blue chip guys than anybody in the league. And when you look at that front, they got a ton of blue chip guys. And the one thing that I think could give Detroit trouble

is they can get pressure with four. Yeah, yeah. So we're, Bulls had to dial it up and it didn't get there. What about the Detroit Lions passing game. I do love Ben Johnson. I love him a lot. Maybe too much. Maybe putting all my eggs in the Ben Johnson basket. But I talked to us about the Lions passing offense because I noticed in the last game they had two opportunities where it felt like they could just run the ball because they were doing it really well. They were getting like like you said, like a huge number of yards per carry.

And then Ben Johnson said, I'm gonna actually throw the ball and we're gonna keep it in balance. We're gonna milk the clock that way. What is it about his passing game that's so hard to defend that's unique about Ben Johnson? Well, I think for sure, like look at the last two games. You had a third and 15, I think, that the Bucks had.

That drive that they go up 31 17 and kind of put it out of reach, even though there was a third and 15 that you're like, get them off the field. Right. Like you got to get this team off the field. There's not too many teams that can convert in situations like those consecutive weeks because they did to the Rams too. And that's why the Rams ran out of time and lost a bunch of yardage on that last drive

is because they converted on a third and very long. There's not a lot of teams that are dangerous enough to do that, but also run the ball at the caliber they do. And I think they own the middle of the field. You know, I think that's the biggest thing is they have Amon Ross St. Brown, who's as strong at the catch point as any slot guy. He's a great player. Laporta, you know, with no disrespect to anybody who's been doing it at a high level longer, like there's going to be a discussion over the next couple of years, who's the best title in the league. And I feel like at this point, like he's in line to him and kiddle, you know,

like when you look at the whole package blocking, receiving, I think, I think this guy Laporta, blocking, receiving. I think this guy, La Porta, he understands zone. He's sure handed at the catch point when you throw him the ball in tight man coverage. I think he understands the scramble drill. And when you have those two guys in the middle of the field, it can be scary for other teams. Now, what San Francisco has is a very good linebacking core.

And you could argue the same thing with the speed that Tampa has and that sort of thing, but it'll be interesting to see in the middle of the field. Another thing is this is why you wish they had somebody outside so bad. Maybe this is a big Jameson Williams game because I thought coming into the Green Bay game, what I wanted to see was like my favorite player, Romeo Dobbs on Ambrie Thomas. And I wanted to see because when they're in nickel, they got to kick Lenore inside and Ambrie, they don't travel him. So you can actually pick your matchup and you put one of those big guys out there. And if they'd had more time, I think they would have gone to more of that stuff. I don't know that Detroit has

a matchup that they're like, I love that on Ambrie Thomas. It would be nice if you had a big number one outside. Yeah. All right. Quickly coaching. Nick Siriani, you obviously played for the Eagles. You watch all the games. You talk to some guys. Is he able to correct this? He's able to correct it because he corrected it when he seated play calling the first year. And I think what's so interesting about this and unique is, you know, number one, the guy's been to a Super Bowl. It was two years ago, but the guy's been to Super Bowl.

I think the only other guy that got fired that soon after going to Super Bowl would be Callahan. He was the Raiders coach back in day and they got their asses kicked. You're talking about a team that was, you know, a fumble away from beating Prime Patrick Mahomes in the Super Bowl. And, you know, like maybe you could say the call, whatever they lost fair and

square. But the point is he did, he did get them there. He deserves some credit. But I will say this, you know, when you see play calling your first year, I would like in seating play calling as an offensive head coach to like a death sentence. It's, you know. It's like an illness that, your days are numbered. How long can you hang on? That's going to be predicated on how good the guy is that you give the play calling duties to. And that's the guy that he gave the play calling duties to, which was so good he got a head coaching job in Shane and in Steuyken. So I think what's what's really interesting is how many guys that that call plays and then see that responsibility as head coaches get two, three iterations of

replacement play callers and survive that they must really love who he is. Right. They must love the guy and when you talk to players, they absolutely love him. Now I also don't think that offensively personnel is the issue. I don't think the quarterbacks the problem. I don't think it was a scheme. And Nick hired that coordinator and the DC and I don't know how much he meddled in Brian Johnson's business. But I think this time around, if you're going to have him back, you know full well how rare

this scenario is if you stick with him. And you also know that you have to hire the coordinators. And lastly, I think if you punt on this year, somebody might be like, why the hell are they doing it? Because I understand somebody being like fire the guy. I'm not saying that's what I think. But what I am saying is, if you're Howie Roseman, if you're Jeffrey Lurie, you look around at nine vacancies or whatever it's been, do you really want to be the ninth or 10th team and with this situation, hope that you find the next guy?

I don't know if that's the case, maybe you sit it out a year and see what happens and know that we'll be picking a lot higher in the order if we make a move like that, because I don't think anybody expected this run. Right. You know, this bad run at the end of the season. So you don't get your ducks in a row.

Another thing I think is interesting, Vic Fangio was in that building. I don't mean as a head coach, but like the problems they had on defense, Vic Fangio was in there as a consultant last year. And you remember Gannon went to Phoenix, to Arizona, and they didn't know that Austin Ford was talking to Gannon.

There was that whole thing, but they missed out on their opportunity maybe to be like, hey, Fangio, you want to stick around? Right. Arthur Smith, who just got fired in Atlanta, you know, like there's a guy who's called plays, you know, he can call plays. Maybe he needs to not be the head coach anymore. I get nervous about hiring a guy who hasn't called plays before outside of like a Frank Smith because McDaniel breathed on him down

in Miami. I get nervous about that because what you're trying to do is hit the head coaching cycle a year early. Yeah. All the coordinators are getting head coaching job. Yeah. And if they're not going to head coaching job, they're a good coordinator and that's a ladder. It's a lateral move. Why would you go to the Eagles? It's a backwards move because, you know, you just saw that run and, you know, the temperature in the building isn't great. It doesn't seem like, but I just want to be fair to Nick because he did get him there. He's not a play calling head coach. That's another thing. Look around the league. How many offensive head coaches

won't call the place. Yeah. That's what I was going to ask because we've had this debate, the like CEO head coach versus the hiring an OC, you played for both. Which one do you think teams should be? Because it feels like the CEO head coach is kind of going, Harbaugh and Campbell are both in that, Tomlin. But Pete Carroll got fired or whatever happened there. Belichick's gone.

McCarthy's gone back and forth. Right. He's been, I want to be a CEO now. I want to be the play color. If I'm starting a franchise and Dmigo Rines is the perfect counter example to what I'm about to say, but also think you got to realize and I'm not taking anything away from Dmigo because I think he's done a hell of a job. Not only a picking Bobby Slowick, but calling the defense, he's a hell of a play caller. But you have a CJ Stroud, and you have what Casario has gotten done in the draft,

and that sort of thing. And what makes me nervous about defensive head coaches is, inevitably, when your rookie quarterback or your unproven quarterback has success, you're going to lose that play caller. And so McDermott and Daybaugh, and then, I don't even know why I called him Day ball. I've been calling him Day ball for four years.

But when Brian left, you know, it was like there was a little bit of a regression. And then you had to find your way with Joe Brady. I mean, Jalen Hurts and Stike when he left, that's what makes me nervous about defensive head coach. It might be out of his control, but it makes me nervous. I would go with an offensive play caller because that's what I look around and see. And I don't trust owners to find the walk around guy. You know, like what I mean by walk around guys, the CEO, the guy like Dan Campbell, you can trust a billionaire to find the guy with the biggest edge when it comes to like social intelligence, communication, leadership.

That's why I think it's really hard for these owners is like, okay, if we're not going to go offensive play caller, then I got to read the room and I got to read the person like these guys are bubble boys, these, these owners. They never seen a fucking gang Campbell in their life. What other organization, what other like industry in the, in the United States, hire so inefficiently where it's like, I'm going to get a guy that doesn't understand what's going on at all. And I'm going to make a decision. And there's not enough input from people who really get the guy, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. If Dan Campbell had walked into like David Tepper's office to interview David Tepper would fucking hate him. It's such a good point

He'd get out heat alpha. Yeah. Yeah, yeah And fucking that's another thing Jeffrey Louis don't want to look like David Tepper and just firing people willy-nilly Speaking of Ben Johnson Ben Johnson was like, I'm not getting on the Titanic last year like smart move You know what I'm saying? So I also think Ben Johnson has a lot of leverage now. He's talking about big money and that sort of thing. I think every coach that gets an opportunity shouldn't necessarily take the opportunity. And Ben's a really good example of that. It's good advice.

So with the remaining, the coaching vacancies that are there, obviously in Philly, they're keeping them, but a lot of empty seats around the league. Can you rank the openings? What are your favorite openings? Ooh, favorite openings go through them real quick. LA You've got charges charges. You've got Panthers Falcons Falcons commanders Panthers are Panthers are last you're you're already you've already you've got this owner who showed his ass And if he's not going anywhere, that's a big part of the conversation I'm not being funny when I say that.

Like it's incredible to me that somebody could fuck up the viability of the job that you're trying to fill so badly. That's what's so sad. So he's their last, okay? Because you got to fix the quarterback and the whole thing. I would put Atlanta up there kind of high just because you look around the division

and you're like, all right, we already got some playmakers like whoever we hire, if we hired Bill. And if you talk about Bill, like if I'm Bill, I'm looking in the NFC because he's smart. Like there's not as many good quarterbacks. So that factors into why I would rank Atlanta high. Like if you want to get there and be successful, who's the, who's the best, who's the second best quarterback in the NFC? People aren't going to be able to tell me. I can the, who's the best, who's the second best quarterback in the NFC? People aren't going to be able to tell me. I can tell you who it's Matt Stafford. He's like, you know, Williams. Yeah, exactly. You hope. Yeah. But, but that's the point is like that job is attractive for me because of the division and because of some of the other things. I think LA is really attractive. People get scared off because of the cap and all that stuff. But

you know, Justin Herbert, I don't, I don't mean to be cliche, but if anybody could fix that guy or this team, and I don't think he needs all the fix and like they're going to be pretty solid. I think New England's an interesting job because you got to follow Bill. And that's a tough one. But I think I really like Mayo. I think Tennessee's a sneaky good job. Yeah. And are we leaving anybody else out? Yeah, there's another team. Seattle's a great job. Yeah, there's another Washington to commanders. Washington is a great job. Obviously, PFT like you've got your pick of the litter, which

I've made it clear like my stance on drafting a quarterback high, it's fucking it's Russian roulette with four bullets in the chamber That's mathematically what it comes out to and it's left to the teams that are that have to play it and the commanders have to play That game you could bridge how and that sort of thing I think Seattle's a great job man. I really do if you look around the NFC West, you know You've got party at some point. They're gonna have to pay them or start over at quarterback Okay, so that window changes for them a little bit at some point Matt Stafford has to die of old age Mm-hmm. I mean he probably his arm will still work at that point

But like at some point he has to retire and then Arizona it's like unknown So I kind of think I think Seattle is a lot of fun and they got a really good GM. That's something people ignore Yeah, like like having Schneider that's a situation to walk into and be like, yeah, that guy can, he can pick them. Yeah. All right. I know you got to run. Last question, Roback question, rhoback.com promo code TAKE,

20% off your first purchase, QZS, Polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, everything, roback.com promo code TAKE. This has been awesome, Chris. I feel like I've learned a lot of football. So I'll go- I couldn't just be full of shit. No, no, you're not.

You know your ball and everyone go go. How stoned are you? Not at all. I got to go to a charity event after this. I like when Chris is high. He gives us better information. I've been working on a rule where I don't smoke till it gets dark out.

Oh, that's a good one. Well, you're going to move to the Arctic Circle. It's like 4.15 now. Yeah, you're going to move to Alaska. Yeah, but go listen to green light with with Chris. He gets a lot of football knowledge and also making so yeah. And making a last question non football question. How's three kid life because you've joined it. It's a diff different beast. It is different. Isn't it? The way I would like it to is to explain

it to people is like number one, there's no explaining it just like one kid or two kids or three kids like you have an evolutionary thing that kicks in no matter What you'll figure it out But I think the the hardest thing is like the third kid is where you really put some of your Fringe enjoyable activities in the casket. Yeah, like you don't realize it But all the little shit that you used to do to waste time, you just don't waste any more time. There's no more time to waste. When there were two kids,

you could like escape or like waste time or like the smoke breaks are easy. But three, you know, you really are leaving somebody to play, you know, it's not zone, it's not man to man. It's like a box in one. Well, it's the reset too. That I try it's not a zone, it's not man to man. It's like a box in one. Well, it's the reset too. That I try it when people ask me, it's like you get to a point with two kids where it's like,

oh, you know, two and a half, four and a half, we can go out and do stuff. And they're like, oh, baby reset, back to home. Baby, baby dude. And also the reset of like mindset. We had a kid, my oldest son, Wayland, seven, Luke's five. So we waited so long and now my wife goes to the damn doctor and they're like, so this is a geriatric pregnancy.

And she's like, what the fuck did you just say? She comes over there like, do they try to call me like a boomer? Yeah, that's all based on where you are in the country though. Because when I had my wife at our first, she was 34, and the doctor was like, oh, it's New York City. They're like, oh, teen mom. Because yeah, yeah, yeah.

New York people are waiting until they're 60 years old. Rural America, where I live, all my boys from high school had kids like immediately. They were like people before the Industrial Revolution. People were like, we need as many kids as possible, so we keep the farm operating. That's not how y'all doing it in New York. So they don't have terms like that. Is it like prevent defense?

Where it's not man, it's not doing it just like bin, but don't break. It's kind of like defending three Calvin Johnson's. You know, it's like, oh, we got to we got to travel with Calvin. We got to put two on top of him. Can't double everyone. It's yeah. It's every day. It's the variables because every day one of them can come can wake up and be like, I'm be Calvin Johnson day. Some days they wake up and they're like, Oh, you know, like I'm late stage West Welker. I can defend this. Who's the fun bigs today? You gave Davis. Who's going to be, you know, who's going to

be, Oh, you're going to go Shakir running down the sideline. I can't catch him. Yeah. I need three Chris Godwins, dude. You know, I need like, you know, like that, that dependable slot receiver that's just going to show up, not say, catch the ball. But yeah, you do get some days where you've got a couple divas and sometimes you got a bad coordinator. I'm not gonna lie. Sometimes my wife is not good at making plans. I'm the guy that's like, Hey, logistically, maybe we should fucking do this differently. That hierarchy works. Yeah. And you're sitting there and you're like, I'm just the CEO. What

do you can't blame me? You know, all right. Well, Chris, thank you so much, man. We appreciate your time. We love having you on the first guest ever in part of my take history. We'll see you in Vegas. Hey, it's good to see you guys in Hank. I hope you had an incredible trip down to the Jerry's world. It looked like a lot of fun. Hanks on vacation. Yeah. He's not even in this room. All right. Thanks, Chris. Okay. Let's wrap up the show brought to you by our friend Stell Blue Coffee. Go buy StellBlueCoffee at StellBlueCoffee.com or Amazon Store. We got some things coming for the big game week, so get excited. Some announcements coming up.

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so shout out Pause Chicago, shout out all the dogs, StillBlueCoffee.com. All right, Hank, FAQs. Hey, PMT, especially those with top draft picks, not Max. Ha! When the show was just getting started, who is the first guest who really got what the show was all about?

Ray Rado comes to mind in the agreeing that the Warriors were better without Curry, but is there a guest that stands out to you? I had to Google this. I forgot about Ray Rado. Whoa! Oh, Ray, Ray's an institution. Who was the first guest to get it?

Do you have a list of the first guests? Chris Long, yeah. He got it right off the bat. Got it, who was it? Bomanie. Bomanie got it too. Kyle Wilcher. Kyle Wilcher got it.

Yeah. Mark Titus. Titus definitely got it. He's a guy who just gets it. That's a fact. Except for that thing he said. True. Did Titus get it too much? Yeah, when he said that very controversial thing. Wait, they're pulling it up right now. Sam Decker was an early one. Yep. All right, here we go. Titus was so on Chris Long, Titus, Sam Decker. Oh wait, Chris Long wasn't the first? Mike Portnoy? This is also not an official list. Mike Portnoy.

All right, keep going up, keep going up. Let's see, Stacey King did not get it. Brandham Carty's a good one, he got it. Yeah, Johnny Bench. Yeah. We had Johnny Bench on the show? Well, remember, so the- He didn't get it.

I don't think he read it in just an interview. Johnny Bench did not get it, but remember there was the only time we did there's only two times I think we've done interviews not with both of us or three times one was rugby player one was Super Bowl Minnesota you had to have had a family emergency so I'd interview Alex Smith on my own and the other one was right when we started there was a Chicago Card Convention and I interviewed Barry Sanders, David Justice and one other, maybe Stacy King and it was, yeah, it was, we need both of us for the interviews.

Dr. James Andrews got it. Dr. James Andrews really did get it. Kevin O'Connell, I filled in for you. Yes, Kevin O'Connell, yeah, but I was there. Peter King does not get it. AJ Green got it. Still owes me money. Yes, Kevin O'Connell. Yeah, but I was there. Yeah. Peter King does not get it. A.J. Green got it. Still owes me money. Yeah, A.J. Green does.

Richie definitely, Richie and Cognito got it. Oh, Randy Moss, Randy Moss got it. Yep. And Blake, Blake is early on as well, Blake Portals. He definitely got it. Zach Hample probably, oh, Marlins man still doesn't got it. But he does. But he does, but he doesn't Man still doesn't got it. But he does. But he does, but he doesn't.

He doesn't get it so much that he got it. He's perfect, I don't wanna touch him. Michael Rapport didn't go well at his end at Barstool, but I'll say that the first couple interviews were very, I mean, the cat killer saga was- He did take the cat killer accusations very seriously. Yeah, yeah. And this is good good this is a

trip down memory lane Blake Griffin has always gotten actually I would say you know what out of all the people on this list there's a lot of people that we named that we knew going into the interview so they got it Joe Buck might be one yeah he didn't know us yeah and then he got it Joe Buck was the gateway drug for everyone getting it yeah that, that's a fact death. Yeah That's a good episode. Yeah Large feline future Ben Johnson fan draft guru Hank and friends What's an idea you guys had for content? Whether it be on the show or just for Barso in general that you really liked but couldn't pull off for one reason or another I've wanted to rent a convertible on every single trip that we've been on together

You also wanted a rollerblade from LA to San Diego. Which I think we should have done. That would have been a great grit week, wouldn't it? The one that still makes me laugh to this day was when we went to New Orleans for the national championship game. And PFT, very seriously, was like, what if we got a fan boat to go back to Baton Rouge that night after the game?

Like people would be like applauding us coming to Baton Rouge. No, I think it just would have rocked. I think we made the right choice staying in New Orleans, getting Joe Burrow and Coach O on the podcast. There's like a common trend in all these ideas, which is very inconvenient modes of transportation for content. Correct.

Thankfully, I've given up on that. I'll be getting an El Camino soon. There we go. I mean, I was thinking way too far ahead. We only made it one episode, but I was pretty hell bent on the premiere of season two of Barclay Van Talk jumping out of a plane yeah we're in a plane nope yeah Barclay plane talk I would have done it when I done it yeah it's before I knew

you're Skid Heights yeah I kept that hidden from you guys yeah you did so we went to the Empire State Building shout out Tyler O'Day. Fuck that builder. Hey, stashcat, Laguna eyes, PFT and biggest loser, Max. What's a moment from the show? Each of you guys always think back on and it's now a key memory in your head. Love you guys. A key memory in looking back. You know what? Maybe when we started doing Larry's picks, you know what? I'll kind of like zoom out on that a little bit. We did one Larry's picks. Where was me, big cat? and we had special guest, Stu Foner, on that show. You remember that? He'll do any pic show. You remember that? He will. He will. And we did, we like screamed at the camera,

got fired up. Yeah. That was a pretty cool moment. And then Stu, obviously, what he's become like, he's now fucking Stu Finehr baby yeah yeah that one was a big one I'm trying to think what other like well no we did no no no you did it without Stu Finehr we do without Stu Finehr we posted on Facebook and then he commented on Facebook oh yeah saved his life he said he was he had a gun in his mouth and like someone someone we worked with worked with his neighbor uh-huh it was like I can get you guys to finer. Yeah.

And that's how that whole thing started. I feel like any of the times where we've been and let into facilities have always still kind of blow my mind, you know what I mean? The Rick Petino press conference. Rick Petino press conference, but like, I'm trying to think like, what was the first facility? We went to Kansas City to let us,

they were like, remember we walked into the bills. We didn't go in the facility though. Remember when we walked in to Kansas City to let us they were like remember we walked into the bill is going to facility that remember when we walked in the Kansas City cheese facility and they were they were doing a retirement day for one of their former players and they were all lined up on the staircase and we thought they were like it like welcoming us and like clapping for us were like holy shit it felt like the ending of big fish yeah when the guys going out to the lake yeah Vikings we went to the Vikings very early on. The Cubs spring training, that was kind of like a holy shit like Theo's sitting with us. This is pretty damn cool.

I remember the first Sunday of the first football season, the boomers, like that wasn't a plan. Yeah. That just kind of happened. I remember the first one. We should do this. Remember also, the first couple of football seasons, we would not watch all the games together.

Yeah. Like we'd start watching the games at home and then we'd come in the afternoon. Yeah. It's kind of weird to think about. There was, I remember the first Sunday that we started doing the boomers and we were just sitting there.

I forget who said it. One of the two of us said like Benjamin Netanyahu, Rockless Burger and like a Chris Berman voice. And they're like, that's good. We should write that into the show Yeah, you've got the music going. Yeah fire us up Besides colleagues from the office

What do you guys miss most about NYC or what's the biggest upgrade and what's the biggest downgrade moving from NYC to Chicago? I miss living in shit all day and walking to work through piss and then never never not being around people all the time I miss there's parts of me that miss a little bit NYC just because it is true, like if you've ever lived in New York City you do feel like you're in the center of the world. There is that like feeling, you know what I mean? Where like shit is happening. But yeah, and then I miss I miss Rome. I miss Rome a lot. Yeah the people. I miss Rome a lot. Yeah, the people. I miss Rome a lot.

There's a lot of good people in New York that I miss, but yeah, as far as like living in the city, people aren't supposed to live in New York City. It's hard. It's a hard place to live unless you're like a billionaire and then it's the coolest place to live in the world. But you know where else is cool? Everywhere else.

That's true. That's a fact. That's a fact. But like those billionaire row on Central Park, that's a pretty cool place to live. Yeah, it's not bad. Yeah, but guess what if you're billionaire you still have to deal with traffic That's true. That's a fact. I was thinking about that the other day like how I would go From Brooklyn to to work it would take like 45 minutes to an hour depending on everything And then I'd go back at four o'clock and then I'd go back to work at like seven o'clock now It's like ten minutes. Mm-hmm. It's pretty nice

Yeah, I've Chicago. That's it. Uh, wait, do we have another one? There's one more memes. Yeah All right, we'll just talk about it the baseball video I have it. Oh, okay What's up PMT crew, oh, it's a plant is a plant. Yeah. Yeah. There's a plant. So let's talk about it the baseball What's up PMT mostly pug? To so is that did you write this memes? What happened to the dingers only punishment footage that it will never see the light of day? No, it's coming It's coming next week. So how many and also how many heartbreaking losses will max get away with before?

Yes, you soggy sorrows. Oh Yeah, we got to bring back soggy sorrows. Would you have to bring back soggy sorrows? I mean at this point if max hasn't done it. Yeah, it's kind of like no longer a thing You've had five different things you've had when the sixers lose this year. We will do soggy sorrows Fine, and if the sixers win the title the rest of the podcast will get wet Hank kind of did it. Oh, yeah Yeah, but if the sixers beat the Cowboys Cowboys, yeah Yeah, but if the Sixers beat the Cowboys the Cowboys yeah if the Sixers win the title this year We will do an entire podcast with all of us sopping wet and max completely dry. That's fair. I think it's very

That's not really fair never gonna happen. So the baseball video is coming out next week. So here's the deal We taped it. It was great. We wanted to get Joe buck involved. So coming out next week. Yeah Should we? No, if it's not out next week, just. But should we say, should we say that? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, let's say it. I mean, it's it's been it's been done. The video part has been done. The video has been done for the last two and a half months. So Joe Buck has been working. I don't know if everyone knows Monday football. We have scrounged up all of our money and we were able to hire Joe Buck for approximately 90 seconds of the call. Then we're gonna have our good friend Nick Terrini

call the rest of it. So Joe has been gracious enough, 90 seconds, that's all we could afford. We sold all of our board Apes. It's against the University of Illinois Chicago. Yeah. Against their varsity baseball team. I want to know what people think the overrununder is going to be for runs allowed. Yes six outs I'm pitching big cats catching max in center field Hank. Where were you right Jake? Where were you left left field?

Yeah, six outs six out Jerzy Jerry umpire Didn't give us a great strike zone. No, he did not Jerry Jerry called it fair. Well, yeah Let's not let's not give too much away. All right. Well, that's what we got. So get excited. It's coming We're gonna get it done. I thought it was gonna be after Super Bowl. That was I had that written into my alright So it's after Super Bowl not next week nice. Oh You what will you had it written into your I was a part of the stand-up? Okay, so it'll be after Super Bowl because you know what that'll be our vacation week anyway So you'll get you'll get Dungeons & Dragons,

you'll get the baseball video, you'll get everything. So we'll do the best of next week then. Okay, so just tie things up. Oh, we'll do the best of. You're gonna do the best of. When the video doesn't come out next week, should you or should you still not tweet at Max? No, just tweet at Hank.

No, they can put it out next week. They can put it out next week. We talked about this a couple weeks ago, and it was said after Super Bowl, so I planned for that. Okay. I don't wanna ruin your business. Here's how it out next week. They can put it out next week We talked about this a couple weeks ago and it was set after Super Bowl so I planned for that, but okay I don't want to ruin your your here's how it's one joke. I was just gonna be like I actually pay up my bets unlike PFT in the baseball Yeah, it rockets laughter, you know what here's what we'll do here's a good. I'll still say it anyway Here's good compromise. We'll do the baseball video after the Super Bowl. We'll do the bonk list next week People want the bonk list. We'll make that baseball video after the Super Bowl. We'll do the bonk list next week. People want the bonk list.

We'll make that a PMTV. Yeah. Well, it's going to be on the podcast. Oh, yeah. Oh, you need a PMTV. That's why we need the baseball video. No, that's not. We don't need it.

You know what? You'll get everything when you get it. We'll put the baseball video on next. We do have this. We do have the baseball video. You're already best of them as well that we've are just sitting are just sitting on all right baseball baseball video best of and bonklest all next week That's almost You're gonna get it will we're gonna plan everything and we'll update everything for you on Friday or Monday

We'll tell you the schedule. That's fair Also, all the people all the people that bought tickets to Vegas your sick fox Oh, we crashed the site in two seconds, and then it's sold out in like four That's fair. Also all the people that bought tickets to Vegas are sick fucks. Oh, we crashed the site in two seconds and then it sold out in like four. You were kind of worried Hank. You're like, can everyone promote this? Looks like who wants to come to this. Everyone wants to come to this.

Everyone wants to go to it. You're going to be so excited for it. I can't wait for you. Break a leg. Numbers. 18 a 20 Three I'm gonna go back to 71 99 pug actually 40 40 40 40 46 can you change like that? Yeah, I'll take it. Oh Kobe yeah Before what was everyone's number say it again 18 20

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