Pardon My Take - Christian Horner, Max Verstappen & Sergio Perez + Randy Moss Talking Kentucky Derby And Sixers/Celtics Is All Tied Up

Episode Date: May 5, 2023

The Warriors are officially back and we're live from Miami for F1 weekend (00:00:00-00:16:35). We talk Celtics/Sixers and does Max hate dogs because it seems like he does (00:16:35-00:31:37). Coach Bud fired and Dillon Brooks fall out (00:31:37-00:41:38). Red Bull Team Principal Christian Horner joins us in person to talk about the season thus far, his lucky toilet and drive to survive (00:41:38-01:06:31). Max Verstappen & Sergio Perez join the show and we help build trust between the two drivers, talk about Max buying a Tiger and more (01:06:31-01:31:47). Randy Moss joins the show to break down Kentucky Derby weekend with picks and storylines (01:31:47-01:58:03). We finish with Fyre Fest and lottery ball machine (01:58:03-02:15:22).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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Okay, let's go. Boy! Boy! Now in the street there is violence and a lot of work to be done. No place to hang out or wash in and then I can't live all on the sun. Oh no, we're gonna rock down to electric avenue

and then we'll take it higher. Oh, we're gonna rock down to electric avenue and then we'll take it higher. Welcome to Pardon My Take. Today is Friday, May 5th and the Golden State Warriors are back. The LA Lakers are dead. Dead.

Dead, dead, dead. No, this was a, this was a can't lose. We'll get into the can't lose must win dynamic but it was a Clay Thompson game. We got a clay game. I have a fun stat for you big guy because I looked it up. Clay Thompson, when he scores 30 or more points,

what do you think Golden State Warriors record? 31 and six. That's very disrespectful to Clay Thompson. I was gonna say playoffs or just right. I think it's both. I think it's both. I typed it into Google and the first result that came out.

45 and four. 64 and 10. Wow. Pretty good. So when, and that it's a little bit of a fake stack because it also probably implies that Steph Curry put in a lot of points too because there are a lot of games I'm sure

where Steph Curry scores 30 or more. Clay doesn't and they don't win as many of those games but Clay is the key. If he has a good game and what he made, he went eight for 11. Yes. Three tonight. Yes.

They win when Clay Thompson scores. When he has, when he's the perfect amount of high for a game, when he takes his edible and times it out perfectly before the game and he goes off the Warriors win those games. Well, and it was also very clear that the Lakers were trying to do tonight was basically not let Steph Curry shoot

and Steph Curry's good at passing. So like they were putting two guys on them giving them no space and he was just dropping dimes all across the court. Why Clay also was open, hit threes. The Warriors are, you know, when they get to this level when other guys are hitting shots and Steph doesn't have to score 35, 40

they are very, very scary. And Draymond Green. Yeah. Great game from him. An assist shy of a triple double. And I don't, maybe this is just the Lakers cause it does feel like you had LeBron first half go like full old school LeBron.

I think he had like 21 points or something at halftime. He was on fire. And Anthony Davis, we said this on Wednesday's show. It does feel like as Anthony Davis goes, the Lakers go he is going to be, if he has an exceptional game the Lakers are very, very hard to beat. He did not have an exceptional game tonight. So he had four turnovers.

He only had 11 points. It feels like this is going to be a seven game series. I'm very, very excited. Now the question PFT. I actually don't think the Lakers have to win game three. It's not really a desperation spot for them because they're so good. I mean, they've got guys, they've got two players on the team

that could be the MVP if they play up to the levels they want to play at. They have championship medal. Yeah, exactly. They're a great team and you can't panic. If you take yourself seriously as being a title contender you can't make game three of a series. It's a seven game series.

Best of seven. You have to win four games. Right. Going down to one, it happens, you know? Right. It happens and the great teams are able to bounce back. Right, right. Max just took off his headphones.

We're going to talk Sixers Celtics in a minute. He's mad because we've told him that Sixers have to win, must win game three. It's different. It's very different. The Lakers have been there. They've done it. West Coast.

Yeah, right. And LeBron's done it and AD's done it. Like they got guys like Austin Reeves. Sixers don't have an Austin Reeves. No, they don't. So they're fine. It's interesting that you brought up Draymond's game tonight because we've laughed at Draymond's antics

as we will continue to do in the future. But I feel like Draymond is kind of what Ben Simmons was a couple of years ago in that if there wasn't a basket on the court, Draymond might be the best player on the basketball court. Yeah, but he was making some jumpers tonight too. He does. He does everything.

Everything that he does is done with like such a high level of intensity that even he's just he must be insane to go up against when he's playing defense on you because he feels like he's fouling you when he's just playing very hard defense. And he had a couple of strips on Anthony Davis tonight where Davis just he looked around. He was like, there's nothing I can do about that.

He'll just get around you and slap the ball out of your head. And it's also, it's a very good, you can spot the casual when people like Draymond's completely washed up because not only defensively but their offense like the amount of times where he'll get the ball at the three point line and run their offense through him and he'll have an assist or he'll find someone like he is a very big part

of their offense even when he's not scoring. Tonight he was scoring. So the Warriors, this was, I expected this answer from the Warriors. We saw the stat last night. It's 15 in a row. No, 16 in a row, I believe, where if the home team loses game one, they win game two.

So you, like a lot of these NBA playoff series and NHL but like it's, it's the desperation. When you get into desperation mode, when you're home team down to 01, you need to win game two and you see it. Like the teams just come out and give their best performance. This was the best performance from the Warriors today. Now I don't know,

I think the, like I can't decide who's going to win this series because I do still think the Lakers when AD is on, pose some significant issues for the Warriors. I guess, yeah, it's going to be a great series. I think it's going seven. I really do. We talked last time about how the Warriors when they're not big enough to beat the Lakers.

Right. And it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter when they shoot like this. When they have, when either Clay or Steph goes nuclear, I don't think that there's anything that you can do to beat this Warriors. No. Yeah, they were 52.5% from three today.

21 for 40. He's pretty good. That's pretty damn good. He's really good. That's pretty damn good. Okay, a couple other things before we get to six or Celtics. I have a pre-Firefest, Firefest that I just found out.

We're in the hotel in Miami. We're all, Time traveling. We're what? Yeah, we're time traveling. We were watching the game. Memes was on the bed editing. I was laying next to him on the bed, kind of cute.

I looked over and I saw a picture of myself and I was wearing Spanx today. Video, what was it? Motion picture. Yeah. Why do you always say that? Why do you always correct us when we say that there's a picture of us that looks fat

and you're like, actually it's a video? It's a habit that you have. What were you watching? It was actually a still picture. I'm just wondering, I'm just wondering why it's important to you. Because he wants to let everyone know that it's not a bad picture.

It's real life. Okay, got it. That's what he's trying to say. It's not a bad angle. Yeah, it's not a bad angle. You just are fat. And I know I'm fat, but I was wearing Spanx today,

thinking I'd protect myself and I was also leaning forward and it looks like I have a full pillow underneath my shirt. So if you're watching on YouTube right now, it's not bad right now. And you comment, yeah, it's not right. I need to never not wear black shirts.

Black shirts for life, that's it. But if you comment that I look fat, you're, I already beat you to it. You're pervert and sicko. Actually, you're unoriginal because Big Cat already started. I already said it. I'm fat and I look really fat.

If anybody says it, just everybody let them know like, hey, this joke is kind of played out now. Yeah, and it doesn't help that Max and Checo are both like 140 pounds. But I'm just that much more of a man than them. That's true. So what are you gonna do?

Checo is a, he's, I towered over him. It was awesome. Yeah, it's very rare that I get to know him. Very good guys, very good interview. The other last thing we had to talk about, which we forgot to talk about, Jackson Mahomes. Yeah. So are we, we have to wait and see?

I think we have to disavow. I want to say something very clear. I'm anti-sexual assault. I'm disavowing. If you guys are gonna cancel me for being anti-sexual assault, that's fine. I'm willing to die on that hill. Yeah, I am disavowing Jackson Mahomes.

I'm not disavowing Patrick Mahomes or the Mahomes family, just that particular piece. Could we say? For right now. Hopefully he learns from his mistakes. Yes, but also that was a mistake that we disavowed. Also disavowed. We're anti-Nazi, anti-sexual assault.

Anti-Los Angeles C-Words. Anti-Los Angeles C-Words. Anti-calling me fat. Anti-watery ball. Anti-law, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're anti-watery ball, cause you can't get it. Anything else that we're anti? Oh, Max's anti-dog.

Yep, yep, yep, yep, you're anti-dog. You're a big fucking dude. No, you're anti-dog. I hope that Mike was not, I don't think it's Mike. I hope that Mike was not, I don't know if Mike was not. No, no, he said it's fake news. He said it's fake news. But Max's defense is he doesn't hate dogs.

And after we did this conversation with Max earlier, I told him, Max, it's not so much that you hate dogs, it's that you don't love dogs. And that's almost worse. It's bullshit. That's worse that you don't love dogs. Okay, all right, let's, Max, why don't you drive your mic cause we're gonna kick it to ourselves.

We'll get into it. We're gonna get into the dog issue. Yeah, no, we already, unfortunately, we already taped that portion of the show. So yes, we are gonna get into it. I'll edit it out. But just to put a bow on everything, big cat, the Los Angeles Lakers,

it's not a must win for them next game, right? I just want to make that clear, okay. Oh, last thing, Leafs are in big time trouble. Yeah, they're fucked. They're big time trouble. I mean, game threes must win for the Leafs. Yes, yes, I would say so. But if that game four will definitely be a must win.

Yeah. But yeah, the Leafs are in big time trouble. It was nice that they won a series, but they look. They won the first five minutes of this game. Yeah. Handily. Yeah. And 2-0, most dangerous lead in hockey. That's very true.

Hank, are you rooting for the Panthers to win the cup? Cause I think that would like lessen the blow a little bit. If you lose to the champion, it makes it a slightly less choke. Still a choke, but a slightly less choke. Yes. But I'm rooting for the Oilers. I'm rooting for the Oilers.

Yeah, Jake. I hope it's Panthers Oilers and the Oilers win. Okay. I don't know why, I just... Conor McDave. Yeah, it's fine. I think I'm rooting for Crackin. Late night games.

Yeah. Yeah. Late night games. Crackin's fun. Crackin's fun. No one cares about that. Yeah. Okay.

You hate Seattle so much. He hates Seattle. You despise it. No, I don't see it. Yeah, no, you despise it. I wish they had some sports fans out there. Max wants to talk again. He turned his mic on finally.

No, I was just gonna wait till you finish and I was just gonna talk about how much I love dogs. Yeah, but that's not true. No, it is. I love dogs so much. I thought you were allergic. No, I'm slightly allergic to some dogs. I wasn't allergic to Brody.

Are you like actually? At half time yesterday, which there was no cameras rolling. When you say you're allergic, do you mean like you sneeze or you're allergic? Like, I can't be around them because I don't like them. No, I sneeze with some dogs. I sneeze. It sounds like your body is repulsed by dogs.

That was horrible. That's a fact. No, your body can't handle dogs. I love dogs. Everyone knows that allergies are not something, allergies are things people can control. I can control that I love dogs and I'm done with you. Okay.

If you say I'm allergic to some dogs, that to me sounds like a pre-excuse if you just don't wanna feel like hanging around with a dog. You're like, oh, my nose tickles. Yeah, you know I'd like to come over and scratch your dog's chin but unfortunately, some of the times

I break out in hives. Actually, now that I think about it, when we started Stowe Blue, Max was like, do we really have to give money to the dogs? Shut up. Shut up. I mean, he probably has a Michael Victor, is he? He definitely has a Phillies.

Yeah, I do not have a Michael Victor. Did you ever cheer for Michael Vic? I loved Michael. There you go. Also, the jury residence case. I'm anti-dog killing on the show. Yeah, me too. All right, so we're gonna kick it to ourselves.

We've got some great interviews coming up. Shout out Duracell one more time. Duracell, thank you for sponsoring this entire show, limited ads, and we're gonna root for Logan Sargent on Sunday. He's an American racer. Yes, Fax, and we filmed him at Dave's house last night so we'll have a super cut of Max not petting the dog

in the vlog next Thursday. Okay, perfect. It's just the entire video. Love it. Yeah. And interview with Logan Sargent. Yes. Okay, let's kick it to ourselves for the rest of the show.

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Learn more at duracell.com. Quick before we get to Sixer Celtics. How cool was Logan Sargent? I was, I came to Miami a little later and you guys, you guys hung out with him. Very cool guy. Yes. Vlog coming out next week.

Yep. Look for that. He coached us up on the racing simulator. Really good dude. Also AWL. Oh hell yes. And we're, I'm going to be watching the race rooting for him, specifically him on Sunday.

He said he's shooting for Q1. Let's go. So Q1, that's the goal. It was always Q1. It was always Q1. Logan Sargent, my new favorite racer. That's a fact. Everyone, if you're an American,

you need to be rooting for Logan Sargent. That's just a fact. Okay, Celtics Sixers. Game two. Oh man, Hank is already serving looks. Don't want to say the old, don't want to say you told you so, but I told you so.

Max, you got absolutely demolished. Your ship pushed in, your teeth kicked in, walked, dog walked off the floor. Didn't even pet a dog. Didn't even pet a dog. That was bad. That dog just wanted you to love it. And you just looked away like it was chopper.

That was like a Kobe angle thing of like, I couldn't see that too soon. No, angle, like, you know, the Kobe angle. A Kobe angle? Are you German with the TMZ pictures, Max? The fuck? You know, when Kobe doesn't flinch, when the ball's like coming at his face from the right angle.

So you say map parts. So you context. You did scratch the dog. I didn't see you scratch it. For context, we watched that at our boss's house the day before. I'm calling timeout for Max. You needed 20 seconds timeout.

That was a bad start. No, that was, what was going on in my head made sense. Kobe map. Okay, all right, bad start. Take a 20 second timeout. Let's just talk. We'll just start with the facts. How about that?

We'll start with the facts. There was a dog on the couch next to Max watching the game. It wanted so much for Max to love it and Max just wouldn't give the time of day. Max, 30 seconds timeout. So that's just the fact. And now the game. While Max was not petting the dog,

he was watching the Sixers get absolutely demolished. Joellen B looked old, tired, injured. Injured. The big three. Also tired. I told Max after game one, Doc Rivers should sit and bead and James Harden. He didn't listen to me.

Max, that is neither did Doc. A little stat for everyone. Jalen Brown started becoming the primary defender on James Harden in 28, a half court sets that Jalen Brown was guarding James Harden. James Harden scored. No points. One point, one point, one point, one point.

It felt like the Celtics asserted themselves as a team. You thought you'd see in game one. We now objection, that point shouldn't even count because there's a free throw with Jalen Brown and even get to defend him on it. We probably followed. You never know that. But still, I appreciate that's what happened.

Max, we will tag you back in and we'll start with this. Game three is a must win for the Sixers. No, it is not a must win. Yes, yes, you guys keep fucking saying this. No, Max, I'll lay that to you. It's math. No, this is stupid. You guys already started saying this yesterday

and it doesn't make any fucking sense. All right, time out, Max. Every game in the playoffs. Max, when? You're in time out. That's a championship mentality. You said game two was not a must win. No, no, game three is a must win for the Sixers.

The Celtics played game two like it was a must win. And that's what happened. It's a simple math situation. It's math. Max, will you listen to math? Okay. Okay, these are facts only, okay? So, factor fiction.

Since you guys won game one, if you guys win every other game, you win the series. If you lose two games in a row, at any point in the series, you will probably lose, factor fiction. The probably, if you win every other game in the series, you win. Throw me off.

Yes, if you win every other game in the series, you win. So if you win game three, then game four is not a must win anymore. Then you win game five. Correct. Then game six isn't a must win. Then you win game seven. Max.

Boom, championship. Here's where it makes perfect sense. You just got beat by 30 points. With Joel Embiid back on the court. But he was working his way back in. It was like a minor league start. It was a rehab zone. Okay, well he looked bad.

He looked bad, okay? He's gonna look so much better tonight. How much better? He's gonna drop at least 35. You say it happens. At least 35. Losing by 30 is not good. Bucks lost by 42 game two of the second round

when they won the finals. Okay, you fell for that trap. Giannis, the rest of that series went 34 and 13. Yeah. Is that what Embiid's gonna do? Yes, like you're talking about the guy who averaged that in the regular season. Like that.

Regular season. Okay. Here's my biggest point about game three being a must win. If you win game three, all the pressure's back on the cells. If you lose game three, the Celtics basically can say we don't have to win game four. If we lose game four, it's a three game series with us having home court.

So what happened yesterday? That's what- Celtics won my third. And the Celtics- The Sixers looked at that game like it wasn't a must win game and they shouldn't have looked at it that way. But that's what happened. Exactly.

So game three is now a must win for the Sixers. If they look good in game three and like it is a hard fall game that they lose, then that is fine. And then they come back and win game four. That is- This is the same exact thing that Hank said. This is Future Max talking.

Not on the record. It's a must win. It is on the record. It's a must win. It is on the record. You said game two was not a must win. If you lose game three, you lose the series. No.

I honestly, there's a part of me that wants to lose game three. I think come back and win the series. Cause you fuckers are making me so angry. Which part of you wants to lose game three? Like just the part to like look at your fucking face and be like, we lost game three. Well, I've been very much on the record with what I'm rooting for this series.

I'm rooting for its alternate wins until we get to this game seven. So we can see like Wednesday's show. Hank was as down in the dumps as you can get. Friday's show, Max is being aggro Max where he just needs 20 second time out, five seconds into the game. And I wanted to just flip flop back and forth.

So these guys have to deal with it. And then get to game seven and have game seven. I don't care who wins, but I want it to be as controversial as possible where the loser can be like, we got screwed. Yeah. Max, he cracked all of his knuckles within the first like 10 seconds of talking. He wants to fight.

I'm trying to find more knuckles to crack cause he's so angry right now. I want you guys to feel my hands and how much they're sweating right now. Oh, I thought you, Oh, that was almost bad ass for a second. Yeah, feel my hands. Yeah, I want you to feel the power of my hands.

They are drenched in sweat because I'm just persperating anger out of my head. Max, so you have a point which is Embiid looked like shit last night, right? He looked like shit. Yes. He can't look any worse than shit. Oh, I disagree.

I disagree. He could definitely. But he looked worse as the game went on. So would you say, Bad in the second half. Did he get healthier as the game went on? No, but he hadn't played in 10 days. He hadn't practiced in 10 days.

How many games does Embiid played in the playoffs? Four? He played two and a half. No, he played three. He played three full games. So this is his fourth game. Correct. But he hadn't played in 10 days.

Fun fact. He hadn't moved in 10 days. Kauai Leonard has more made field goals in these playoffs than Joao Embiid. I don't care. I don't care. You're also forgetting that Embiid dominated the paint in the first half yesterday.

He did. He made the Celtics look like children trying to get layups at the right. He had a 10 point lead in half. I mean, we weren't making shots. I wouldn't say. Sometimes you don't make shots. Sometimes you make shots.

Sometimes you don't make shots. On defense, he dominated. Yes, he did. And it's not like he was missing shots. He just wasn't taking any. Well, because it's not like he was chucking out. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. He wasn't missing shots

because he was turning the ball over before he had a chance to shoot. Yes. You know who was missing shots. James Harden missed a lot of shots. Correct. There was something. There was some monkey business going on

with that rim too. Yes. There was some weird rim and rim out. I'm not gonna say it again. Say it again. Say it again. Say it again. No, I know what he's gonna say.

You want me to say it for you? I'll say it for him. We got in the car after we were watching the game and Max said to me, if James Harden's first three that rattled around the rim had gone in, different game. They win.

Different game. You know what? I agree. I lost by 27. I don't know if they win, but it's a different game. It's a different game. Yeah, they would lose by 24. It's a different game.

So, Max, during the game, I was telling you, I was trying to coach you through it because you went through all the different emotions. How to pet a dog, right? Well, I mean, this was. Well, you can't teach a man how to pet a dog. No, he either has it or he doesn't. That's in your heart.

I mean, Max, you should have lost that game like the Bucks smartly did by 40 points because if you lose by 40 instead of 30, then you're like, fuck it. That's an aberration. Let's burn the tape and move on. But you lost by like a believable amount of points in a blowout.

It was an aberration. That game will not happen again. So when are lost? You aren't saying that with your chest. Yeah. Yes, I am. We will not see the Sixers look like that again in this playoff.

Yeah, Doc Rivers is going to coach the boys up. Okay. Playoff doc. Game two is a must win. No. Game two is not a must win. Game three is a must win. Well, game two was a must win for the Celtics.

It's a good thing they won because it was a must win. Yeah. It was a must win game for the Celtics. I agree. I'm going to go on the record every game from now on it's a must win for the Celtics. So what happens if you lose a game? Yeah.

The next game is a must win. If it's a must win. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Must win means the series is over if you don't win that game. So every game is probably can't lose then. You can't lose game three. You definitely can't lose.

Game three. If you lose game three, that's a. I know you're trying because then you're going to paint me in this picture of like, oh, you already said the series is over. These are the moments where I was saying it before, but these are the moments where like, there's definitely some F1 fans that are listening to the show just for the interviews

and they're listening to our conversation right now. And they're like, what are these guys doing? Yeah. Kiska say the defrost. How do these guys get popular? They are talking in circles. Final ruling can't lose game three. Not a must win.

No, you will not get me to say that at home. If there's a whole advantage next to. I will agree. They have to win one of these next two. Well, I have to. I would say they have to win one of these next three. Well, that would be that would be a fact. But I'm willing to say you have to win one of the next two.

If you go down three, one, three, one, you fuck. You know, I mean, if you if you go down to one, like if you go down to one, you guys are going to get gentlemen's sweep. It's going to be for one. Fuck off. This way. Yes, if you lose this game,

you might as well lose three games in a row. OK, any last words from this game? The drone was insane. I cannot believe they have a drone in the past. I hated the drone. Whose idea was that to fly the drone in the middle of the camera and then just cover up the plays

just so we could get like one shot that looked like a video. It was cool. I was like when we were watching, I was like, why is there a drone there? And it took everyone for a second to like adjust their eyes. Like, wait, wait, why is there a drone there? It made no sense. It was weird.

Joe Mazzullo, we should give him credit, right? He was pissed off after the game. He said he said, like, how come nobody's asking me about my adjustments that I made? Right, you guys don't want to talk about that. He looked like the Celtics played with a lot more defensive intensity. Jason Tatum was not good and they still won by 24.

Marcus Smart, like he basically looked in the mirror and was like, yeah, I am him. And he came out and played a great game. Yeah, the Celtics. That's that. OK. That's probably true. Probably true.

You got to hope, unfortunately, James Harden probably will shoot like that again, 2 for 14. OK, I'm done with the whole James Harden. No, I'm done with the whole James Harden talk. He had a bad game. But then you can't just negate what he did in game one. Of course not. Yeah.

You can't just immediately be like, oh, yeah, he's back to 2 of 14 after what he did in game one. Because he can just as easily go back to that in game one and game three. But sustaining excellence is why you won a championship. Sustaining excellence is fantastic. I hate your little, the way you're just smiling and moving

your head around. But Max, this is how it works. On Wednesday's show, PFT and I were going after Hank. And you got to sit there and laugh along. Now we're going after you. And Hank gets to laugh along. This is how it works. This is why I wish this series was a best of 99.

Wednesday's show was great. We're just watching it for the next six months. I wish it was a championship. I have one more thing to say. Oh, it is Max's championship. I have one more thing to say that I'm very passionate about. I am done hearing about the MVP. I'm done hearing about the MVP.

Well, congrats. Yeah, you won. Because there was so much joy and cheering over the MVP when we had a playoff series to play that night. Would you say it was like they drank the champagne before they won anything? Yes. It looked like they were drinking champagne.

We're going to go home on Friday. Wait, wait, wait. Max, in your opinion, how should they have celebrated Joel and Bede winning the MVP? No, I mean, it was just too much talking about the MVP. We've been waiting for this moment for so long. It's like, OK, I get it. The MVP is great, but we have a ball game to win.

And you need to focus on game two and not just keep celebrating the MVP and then get smoked by 40. I've never heard somebody say the word joy with as much anger in their face as Max just did. Like, I am so happy that Joe won the MVP. I'm very happy that Joe won the MVP. I am very mad with the way that they came out

after he won the MVP. Good. Put it behind you. Do you want to give it to him? Go on to Friday. Get back into this series. Wait, give it to Yoko. But if you lose it, OK.

Wait, but I'm pretty sure Friday night is when I'm silver. I'm going to give him the trophy. That's how it works. Yes. But the crowd will get behind that, though. Yes. No, the crowd will get behind that.

No, they're going to cheer. That's the other thing. We're on the road. We split two games on the road. No matter how you look at it, a win is a win. A loss is a loss. You went into Boston and you took home court and no one's talking about it.

OK. OK, all right. That was a good away stretch for the six. You finally talked yourself into a good point and got angry enough to make some sense, which is if you had told Max like a week ago that you'd be leaving Boston with a 1-1 split, you would have taken that, right?

100%. And I kept saying that. But if you lost by 30 points in the second game, would you? Don't care. Win is a win. Loss is a loss. OK. What about losing game three?

Have to win game three. Don't. Have to win one out of the next two. OK. Max almost wants to see them lose the next game, as a matter of fact. No, I don't. I really would like to see them win.

But I also would like to say something to you. So Hank, you really pointed to me there. Hank's been super quiet. I know that there have been a million thoughts running through your head through this entire conversation. You get the floor, Hank. Game three is a must win. We got to just take control of the series.

Win by 30 again. Kill Phillies will to live and just end this series quickly. I don't want I don't want seven games. I don't want six games, five games. Gentlemen's sweep starts tonight. Must win. Given the fact that they're going to give Joe and B the MVP trophy in Philadelphia on Friday night,

would you say if Philly was a good sports town, they would do that because they should stop celebrating and move on. Yeah. I don't even think they would should stand up. Yeah. OK. Take out newspapers and pretend like you're reading them instead of. You're you're kind of crying right now, Max. I'm not crying.

I'm just thinking. It's kind of because I wasn't listening to what Hank had to say. Yeah, you were because you almost came up to the mic halfway through it. No, because I was just thinking about something. Hank, Hank is just so confident right now, even though before the game yesterday, he was like, there's going to be a Lakers Celtics. Sixers final did not.

There's going to be a Lakers Sixers final. Did not say that my worst nightmare. It would be. I did not say that. I did. I didn't say there's going to be. I just said in a world where there's a Lakers doesn't matter. I didn't say this year, just any world where it's Lakers Sixers. I would cease to exist as a human.

Well, no, once LeBron leaves, it doesn't. It's not as bad. Not as bad. Yeah, still bad. Yeah. It was. Yeah. OK. Thank you, Max. Good job, Max. Good luck on Friday night. Can't lose. Can't lose. Yeah, we'll do a fire.

Max, you have a fire fest. Have a fire fest, Max. All right. Other news. Coach Bud got fired. Yeah, that's tough. That's tough. He gets to take a time out with him. Yeah, retirement.

That's kind of cool. I mean, it goes to show you just how, like, short term a lot of people's memories are when it comes to the ownership, because he's a very, very good coach. He's going to get hired by somebody like there. Somebody's going to be very, very lucky to have him. Yes. And for whatever reason, just didn't work out at the end.

It didn't. And it was tough, like the news that came out after the series was over about what he was going through during the games. Yeah. About his brother. Yeah, it was not. It wasn't great. You can you can forgive him for his head being in a different place. Here's a fun fact that I love these fun stats that don't. They sound cool when said, but when you actually look into it,

it's not that cool. Every NBA coach besides Steve Kerr, that's one of the championships since 2015, got fired. Hmm. That is a cool stat. But it's not that. Now I'm going to wait. Let me look into it. Who else got fired? It's Bud, Nick Nurse and Ty Little.

OK. So yeah, it's one of those stats that's that's hidden under the fact that Steve Kerr has four championships and the Lakers. Oh, and and Vogel. Yes. Yeah, but that doesn't count. Yeah, that was a bubble. Our friend, you almost just said that the Lakers won a championship. Our friend, Buda Ben, he's he's running with three right now that the bubble did not even exist, that it was all AI computer generated.

So look into that. Ben's on it. Let's yeah, let's get our best guys. Sounds credible. Yeah, Buda Ben is our best guy. He's our best guy. He's the best guy. Maybe maybe tag team Mike the bike and we're ready to go. We also had so a couple other NBA stories. We talked about the MVP. We also had the weirdest story ever written in the Denver Post.

The writer who wrote about Jokic being the real MVP, he wrote. So this is Mark Kisla wrote. Sorry, Mr. Joel Embiid. But we all know Nikola Jokic is real MVP of every day. Budweiser drinking peeps. He said peeps. Yeah, he said peeps. And so he talked about Jokic being cool guy, awesome guy, great leader.

And then we got to a very weird paragraph where he said, I'm not ashamed to admit to spending so much time in the Denver locker room waiting for Jokic to shower, dress and share his self deprecating pearls of wisdom that I know this man has wicked, funny taste in boxers. Underneath the fine and stylish European attire he wears into the arena, Jokic sports wacky underwear that on any given night,

colorfully celebrate Budweiser, the king of beers or might be adorned with the face of SpongeBob, SpongeBob Squarepants. After silencing Kevin Durant, Devon Booker and the grousing sons who seem to have a beef with a ref after every whistle, Jokic slipped into silly boxers that proclaimed that's what she said across his booty. Classic, classic joke. So that's that's his secret to his MVP seasons, was he wears funny boxers.

He basically was like Jokic didn't win a third straight MVP, but he's the champion of the people because everyone's no one knows this, but I know it because I stalk him every night after the game that he has funny boxers. He's the most valuable underwear. Yes. So that's it's real. That's it was a bizarre article. Very bizarre, really strange. But you know what?

He spends more time around him than I do. So maybe maybe there is something to it. I don't know. Jordan, he wore the same shorts underneath his shorts every game. Yeah. He wears like you and see athletic shorts as boxers. It's like Kevin Durant wears whitey tighties. Yeah, I could definitely stain on him. Yeah. Yeah. Very bizarre, very bizarre that Jokic should have won the MVP

because he wears hilarious boxers. But yeah, that was that was the big response for Embiid winning from Denver. I actually thought that the best basketball was being played in Denver by the mascot. Did you see Rocky's shot? Yes. It was fucking insane. Yes. Mascots are more athletic than NBA players. Yeah, I stand by that take. So Rocky, the Denver Nuggets mascot, he's like a cougar or mountain line or whatever.

He set up a giant ladder at half court and then climbed that ladder, put another ladder on top of it, climbed up to the top of that ladder and then took the ball like he was going to shoot a half court shot. And then at the last minute threw it backwards over his head and it went in the other basket. Swish. Damn. It was fucking unreal. When you when you look back on the NBA, I think you can make a case that was it Benny the bull, Benny the bull,

the bull outstanding athlete, the Phoenix gorilla, maybe the best basketball player of all time. And then Rocky is this generations. Yeah, what's that? Lucky. Lucky the leprechaun. What is it? He's a he's a guy. Yeah, but he does flips and shit. But he's not a mascot. He's a guy.

So he's just a gymnast. What do you mean? All these other mascots, basketball players. Like, do you think there's a Benny the bull? It's a bull. No, they bring them from Ireland. OK, that counts, then. Yeah. They find them under a bridge. OK, OK, that's that's how they that's how they cast.

Yeah, name has to be lucky. OK, so we had that and then we have the Dylan Brooks fall out. So turns out that Choms might have editorialized a little bit. Everyone's mad at him. Grizzlies are mad at him. Dylan Brooks is mad. Agent is mad at him. I'm pretty sure Choms,

even though he might have taken a little bit of liberty, also nailed it. And then we had JJ Reddick, who we love, who's going to come back on the show. There's just JJ is really good every now and then, just having a clip that's just like reeking of irony that I don't think he fully realizes when he was saying that Choms was just trying to get engagement on Twitter. And JJ was making this point on first take. And he was like, all that anyone cares about is engagement and hot takes. I actually I think that JJ goes on first take for the integrity

of defending basketball. You know, I don't I actually don't think he cares about engagement. He's just so passionate about going against the hot takes that he ends up having a hot take of his own. JJ always makes good points, though. This one, this one I kind of disagreed with just because there's no way that Dylan Brooks wasn't part of like the the failure of he wasn't the whole failure. He was a little bit of a scapegoat, but his like performance

and the way he acted did not help the Grizzlies beat the Lakers. And him making that point, like getting super serious on first take always makes you laugh because then then Stephen A. Smith will just like chime in and be like, Dylan Brooks is a bum. Yeah. And then it's like if you argue with JJ, it's like you're you're getting into a screaming match with a librarian. And they'll make much better points than you. But JJ, I don't think he's he has yet to understand the point of first take,

which is to be wrong, but be louder. It's a noble pursuit by JJ to like try to elevate the discourse. Yeah. But newsflash, the discourse is never getting elevated. We'll drag you back down to the mud and be like, Chris Paul, choke artist. Yeah, it's a one way. Zero rate. It's going straight down. I actually think that Shams would I would I truly believe happened behind the scenes? Shams put out his first report, which was correct.

And he heard that from somebody at the Grizzlies. And then everybody is like, yo, this is a little bit harsh. Right. The Grizzlies saw that and they're like, wow, free agents might think twice about signing with us because we're going to take a big steaming shit on them on the way out the door. We don't want people to think that's how we do business. So we're going to have to go back and we're going to fight against that report and say that's not how it was said at the time. Right.

And so now that's where we're at right now. But in the back of his head, Dylan Brooks knows that he's not going back to Memphis. No, there's zero. Memphis is like, yes, correct. Under zero circumstances, will we ever bring him back? Yeah, no, Dylan Brooks is the is the meme that goes around Adam Silver. He better learn Chinese, buddy. Mm hmm. That's that's kind of where he's at right now.

I mean, someone will probably take a risk on him, but he it has not gone well for Dylan Brooks. The talking text. What team is that? Okay, it was right. No, Coach K taught him how to be a bad person. Dylan Brooks was fine until Coach K got his hands on him. No, he was trying to teach him to stay calm, stay humble. I don't know about that.

That's not true. There was another great hot take out there in the world of football. Did you guys see what they said about Sam Darlan today? Matt Mayuko, the writer in San Francisco? No. He said Sam Darlan might be the most talented thrower of football that the 49ers have ever had. What's that mean?

Joe Montana? Memes, what are you doing? Memes believes. Yeah, Memes loves Sam Darlan. No, he hates him. No, most talented thrower. Most talented thrower of football. He didn't say best quarterback.

In the history of San Francisco 49ers. In the history of the 49ers. Have they had any good quarterbacks in the past? Mm hmm. Kaepernick. Kaepernick. Kaepernick. Good point.

Jeff Garcia. Yeah. Alex Smith. Josh Johnson. Yep. Anybody else? These are pretty good, yeah. No, I think we nailed it.

Yeah, that's it. So yeah, I guess he's right. Most talented thrower of football. He's not a thrower. He's a passer. I don't even know what that means. Most talented thrower. Well, actually, yes, I do know exactly what that means.

Just a guy that you watch. You're like, Jamarcus Russell would win that award. Yeah. Like the most talented thrower of football that the NFL has ever had. Yeah, the ball spins. Well, Brady Quinn.

Great thrower. But basically what he said was, I want to fuck his spiral. Yeah, yeah. Most talented thrower. Concerned. Yeah. It does make me think of just Joe Neiman.

He's not a thrower. He's a passer. He could take the chance all the way. I want to kiss you. Okay, anything else? We have Kentucky Derby talk coming up with Randy Moss. Very excited for that. Yeah.

So everyone tune in to watch F1 on Sunday. Miami Grand Prix. Let's do it though. We have Christian Horner and then Max and Checo. So two interviews back to back. Great interviews. I think we fixed Red Bull in terms of maybe the rift between Max and Checo.

They're super broken right now. No, but you can get better. You can get better. They're bros. Yeah, they're bros. We got them together. And then we have Randy Moss giving us Kentucky Derby picks, tips, everything.

Always fun to have Randy Moss on. So let's get into it. Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, recurring guest. It is Christian Horner, team principal, Red Bull Racing. Thank you for joining us in person in Miami. I'm going to ask the most important question to start.

It is probably the toughest question. Have you picked out your toilet this weekend? Because last time you were on, you told us you have your lucky toilet. It's your second year in Miami. No, exactly. Do you know where you're going? I'm trying to remember which one I used last year

because that was pretty good. But I'm heading to the track straight after this. So do a bit of reconnaissance. Yeah, what do you look for in the toilet? Is it just a vibe you look at? You're like, yeah, that's the one right there. Or is there a quality that you look for? I think anything that isn't called Toto.

Yeah. No, I think it's just going to be convenient and available. Smart. It is because we're new to F1. So when we had you on, we always don't know where the interview is like, who's going to pick up what. But that was the story that everyone picked up

from you being on the first time. About the lucky toilet. The lucky toilet made you press. That was it. Absolutely. Why? Okay. I was like, okay, I guess everyone wants to talk about this.

So the season's been great so far. You guys are in first. You have two guys who are competing for a championship. You said you're going to let them race. What exactly does let them race mean? Because obviously there's a point where you have to pull it back if you risk the team, right? So how do you find that line?

Well, it's exactly what it's finding that line. Because in Formula One, you've got two competitions. You've got the driver's championship, which is where all the prestige and the hype and the fan interest is. And then you've got the constructors championship, which is where the money is distributed and where we measure it against our rival teams.

So both have a value and of course, both rely on both drivers scoring as many points as possible. So it's a question of just reminding the drivers that it's not their car. It's a team car. And they're representing the hopes of every single employee, of every single member of the team, all our partners and so on when they're racing our cars.

And so long as they respect that, which so far they've been great, then we've got no problem allowing them to race each other in a clean and healthy way. From the outside looking at it, it feels like a good problem to have, right? Like in terms of problems that you could have in F1, having your car be so good that both your racers

are competing for the championship, I would imagine you'd want that over every other problem. This is the kind of problem that you dream about having. This is a luxury problem and it's not a problem. It's actually great to see the two guys pushing each other hard. It's great to see how Czechos made a step up. Now he's in a third year with us as well and Max again continuing to evolve.

And what we're seeing is the best of them. And I think over a 23 race championship, it's going to be fascinating. But what we can't do is take our eye off the ball of what's going on with the other teams. And we've got to make sure we keep edging away from them in both championships. Yeah, in American media and sports,

we always like to say if a team is too dominant, we like to have the conversation. It's probably the stupidest conversation that we have. Are they bad for the sport because they're so dominant? Is Red Bull bad for racing because you guys are so good right now? Well, from my perspective, obviously not. But I think when you've got two teammates that are competing hard with each other like we have,

that's another dynamic. It's another focus of interest. And don't write those other teams off because we're about to head back to Europe fairly shortly. Big upgrades we know are in the pipeline for some of our rivals. And this year we have a restricted amount that we can develop the car with

in terms of timing the wind tunnel. So I'm expecting the others to come back at us through the summer. Can you explain to us the shortening of the DRS zones and what that means in this race? I think what, two out of the three, they pulled back. Is that good for you or is that bad for Red Bull? I think it depends if you're ahead or not. I mean, the DRS zone for when the flap opens

that gives you an overspeed on the straight. Some have argued that it's been too easy to make an overtake. So I think that's why they've been trimming these zones to make it more wheel to wheel. And we'll see how that works in Miami. I think it had an impact in Azerbaijan. They trimmed it by 100 meters. Maybe it should have, I think with hindsight,

been 50 rather than the 100 because there wasn't a huge amount of overtaking going on. Yeah. So your car's been dominant for a couple of years now. At what point in that process were you like, oh, this is, we have something special? Like at what point during the building of the car, you're like, this is, we have something

that no one else is going to have going forward? Well, that's the thing you just don't know. Really? And last year was a big reset. New regulations. We turn up at the first test. Everybody's car looks a bit different. And then Mercedes looked very different.

And you think, have we missed something dramatic here? And then, of course, 22 was an incredible year for us. And then we've just taken all those learnings and applied it into this car. And the car was a little bit heavy last year. We got the car on the weight limit. And that kind of stuff. And just evolved the theme.

And we've been surprised that the others haven't been closer to us so far. But feel that that will come later in the year. Yeah. So from a novice perspective, which we come at this sport from, or we're learning it, we're getting into it, yeah. Week to week, how many adjustments are made on the car?

Is it just constantly evolving? Is it similar to a football team where it's like, you see the first drive, and then the coach says, all right, we've got to change everything we planned because it's not working? I think every track is different. Like Miami compared to last week in Azerbaijan, different surface, different type of corners, et cetera,

et cetera. So it's different downforce level. So you're constantly evolving and tuning the car. And then at strategic points within the budget that you have and the tools that you have, you're upgrading the car, the bodywork, the wings, the engine cover, the floor, the big performance differentiators. So and teams strategically pick where they're

going to introduce those upgrades. So and that's what I'm expecting when we head back to Europe, cars to start to converge a little. That's interesting. Do you like racing in America? Do you like the events that are taking place? We're expanding over here. We've got Vegas coming up soon.

You mentioned it was on your birthday. Yeah. Happy birthday. Well, it's very kind of them to put the event on my 50th birthday. Yeah. That's huge. So you're going to win that race. I mean, Stefano planned it specifically for that.

You have to win that race. For that weekend. So it's going to be an awesome event. I think it's going to be the biggest sporting event globally this year. I really do. I think that the interest and the hype around that race, I mean, a Saturday night race down the strip in Vegas,

who doesn't want to be there? Who does not want to see that race? And I think it's going to be such a spectacle. And I think racing in the States for us is very different. I mean, I'm very British obviously. And coming over here, everybody's so friendly and a lot of high fives and fist pumps, even when you go out for a run in England,

you go for a run, nobody talks to you over here. Everybody's super friendly. So that's taking an adjustment. But just the interest and the hype around Formula One, it's just amazing. And you guys put on a great show. And I'm sure we're going to see something a bit different this weekend as well.

Well, I would say also this weekend, it's the coronation. What better coronation present? Oh, yeah. So you're missing that. Yeah, exactly. If you win, that's the ultimate gift, isn't it? I'm sure he's going to be watching in between his duties, what's going on out in Miami.

But it's a big weekend in the UK, but nothing bigger than that for us than being out here in Miami. Yeah, that's true. So in America, we love the redemption arc of teams and sports where a guy, a team has success. They get torn down, then they come back and they recover. You had four championships with Vettel. Red Bull was dominant.

There was a period then where Mercedes takes over. Now you're back. Was there a moment in that entire path where you thought, like, I may never be back on the top. It's getting bleak. It's getting hard. Not even quitting, but just forcing your head through a wall and you just can't get through.

Honestly, I don't think there was ever a point that we didn't believe we could get back. And I think it was having that culture that can do attitude. It was a question of, OK, we need to address where our weaknesses are. Why are they beating us? And Mercedes has an incredible team and their achievements during that period have been record breaking. But I think it just demonstrates that if you want something

bad enough and you focus and apply yourself, you can achieve it. And sport, it always comes in cycles, whether it's Formula One or football or basketball or any form of sport. You always are going to see cycles of winning teams. And I think that, for me, the challenge is how big, how long can we keep this cycle going? Yeah, because it is interesting.

People who are getting to the sport in America right now, they see Red Bull dominant. They're probably like, oh, we don't like these guys. They always win. It's like, but you don't know the history that, you know, it was a stretch where they weren't winning and they were trying to get back up on top of the mountain, which is that's the best part of sports.

I mean, all back three years. I mean, the domination we've had is, believe it or not, we're not as dominant as Mercedes were a few years ago. They finished, I think, first and second in the first five Grand Prix. So look, and of course, we've got this competition between our two drivers. And that's a whole different dynamic and a different responsibility from a team point of view,

because suddenly it doesn't just become about racing the others. I mean, it becomes about just ensuring that, you know, both have got the same opportunity and that as fairly as we can, even to the point of who drives out the garage first, we alternate from weekend to weekend, who talks first in the debrief. Yeah, you're under a microscope. We go, we alternate from weekend to weekend

to ensure as much fairness as we can possibly provide. It's really interesting because we were talking earlier this week about certain NBA coaches in basketball that have had to manage two superstars at one time. So Phil Jackson, when he had Michael Jordan, Jack and Kobe, Michael Jordan, Scotty Pippen, Spolstra, when he had the big three down here in Miami. So that's interesting how you try to keep everything fair.

Are there certain elements of the different driver's personalities that you know that, okay, this guy must need a little bit more encouragement on certain weekends. This person needs some tough love at this point. How do you manage dealing with those egos? Well, they're all different. And, you know, sometimes they need an arm around the shoulder. Sometimes, you know, they need to kick up the arse.

And but, you know, both great drivers and there's a great dynamic between the two of them. And I think what Checo has, the way he's kicked off this year has been fantastic. And of course, all the races he's won for us so far have been on street tracks. And I think the challenge for him is going to come, okay, he knows Max has been the most informed driver

of arguably the last five years. So, you know, he's got to keep this level across 23 events. And, you know, we're just fortunate and it's great to see, you know, the healthy competition that there is between these two great drivers. Yeah, I saw that there was a bit of a stir when you made the comment. I think it was last week that Checo was lucky

in certain regards. Now, I think that's unfair to you because in any sport, there is a certain element of luck that's involved. So in any race, depending on when you pit, all that stuff, these small, you know, small fractions of a second make a big difference. How much of racing is luck in your opinion? Well, I think it sometimes plays a role.

And, you know, it's how you use it at the end of the day as well. And look, what happened with a safety car last weekend, you know, Checo benefited because he had a shorter time in the pit lane because when the safety car comes down, everything slows down. And so he gained a track position without having to make the overtake on track. But then he had to convert that and not on one lap

did he ever let Max get close enough to get into that DRS zone and at one point pulled out a 3.7 second lead. And it was a phenomenal race, you know, from him. But, you know, you look back to Jeddah or Saudi last year, he was in the lead, took a pit stop and the safety car out and it benefited Max. And, you know, he was unlucky on that day. Max got lucky.

So it tends to even itself out these situations over the course of a season. But, you know, the comment was not in reference to him having a lucky win. It was a lucky scenario that he then converted and man, did he put in a competitive race. I think that's totally fair. It's the ball bounce.

Like, you know, the ball bounces your way sometimes. It doesn't mean that, like, you don't deserve a win. It's just that's how the ball bounces. And Max recognized that. He said, look, the opposite happened in Jeddah last year. That's the way it goes sometimes, you know, that's sport. So speaking on that, though, you're mic'd up during the race. It's a fantastic thing for the viewers.

We love being able to see what's going on in, you know, the control center and how you're talking to the drivers. Are you going forward? Going to be like, I'm not going to say some things now because everything's under a microscope. If you just respond to what people are writing on social media or whatever, then we're just going to end up with robots.

You've got to respond to what you're seeing and what you're feeling and what you believe the drivers are feeling. And of course, sometimes you've got to pick drivers up. Sometimes you've got to, you know, manage expectations and so on. And I see that as my part of my role is to do that. And the most important thing is to deal with it openly and honestly. So we like to troll on this show.

We like to basically make a mockery of the media and kind of get the media. Just an idea thrown it out there. We're saying this, it's going to be on a podcast. Maybe when you're on an open mic, you say to Max over the weekend, like, you're my favorite son ever. And then everyone flips out. And then they're like, no way.

We plan this whole thing. Good idea, right? I mean, you guys, you guys are changing the dynamic of radio. You just, like, it was obviously a joke. We said it out loud. We said we were joking. Yeah, no, absolutely. I'm even thinking of selling, you know, the space that, you know,

Max, this message is brought to you by Cash App. Yeah. Why not throw a rollback out in there? We'll give you some ads that you can pitch from our show. Yeah, yeah, I like it. I like this idea. Yeah, just be like, I sent it on part of my take. I was going to say this and then say it.

This is that people will run with it. And then we'll be like, no, you guys are idiots. You're not doing your job. So we can get the media. Just a thought. The problem is, is people always pick out little bits that they want to hear or they want to see. And the most important thing is what our drivers feel

and what our team feel. So to be honest with you, I don't really give a shit what others think. It's about what they think and what the team think. Yeah, good attitude. You can't cuss on this podcast, though. You can't ask. Motherfucker, you can say anything. Oh, really?

Yeah, we can say literally anything. What's your favorite swear word? My favorite swear word. Yeah. Oh, good question. Yeah, that's... British people swear well. Yeah.

Do they swear? They swear. It sounds classy when you guys do. It sounds more classy. Motherfucker, everyone's like, shut kid rock up. Yeah, no, when it's like when you get like a viral clip of like a British guy watching a soccer game. When I said change your fucking car,

I'm now seeing t-shirts with that on. Yeah, change your fucking car. I like that too. There you go. So I was going to say, welcome to America. We want to be gracious hosts, part of American culture is being very kind to our guests. In that spirit, I just have a little bit of American trivia for you.

Okay, go on it. That's all right. Who won the Revolutionary War? Good question. Who was in it? It was the colonies, the United States, and Great Britain. Well, you guys obviously got Independence Day of that came off the back of it and so on.

So never forget. Yeah, never forget. That's the only question that I have. Yeah, there you go. It's easy. Oh, wait, I have a question too. I have a question. How many Super Bowls has England won?

Super Bowls has England won. Yeah. Well, you know, is the Manchester United playing the Super Bowl? No, no, no. So yeah, the answer is zero. You guys do not want any Super Bowls. That's kind of pathetic, but whatever. Yeah, maybe someday.

Exactly. And then third question, did you watch the United States against England in the World Cup this year? Yes, I did. Who won that draw? That's even, do you know what? That shows my following of football. We won that one.

No, we won the draw. No, no, no, we won the draw. It was a no-no. Was it a no-no? Yeah, we won. You guys will take that as a victory. We won that. Exactly, we won.

You probably got lucky on that one. You lost the draw, we won the draw. Christian Priscilla just hit the crossbar. It was off the woodwork. We won that draw. Who's your soccer team? Who's my soccer? I like a team called Coventry City.

They're in the second tier. Championship league, yeah. Championship. They're getting to the playoffs. Okay. My grandfather used to be a part of that team, so that's why I've got an interest. That's big.

When will they get up to the EPL? I tell you what, the women's game. I went to see the women play football the other day, and they are kicking butt. They are doing unbelievably well. And they don't flop. And they want to penalty shoot out. I mean, the men fluff the penalties all the time.

The women bang. Yeah. No, they don't beat Brazil the other day. Unbelievable. It's great to watch, because you'll watch a men's game, and Neymar will get lightly touched, and he'll go down like he needs to be in a wheelchair. The women are tougher.

Play through, yeah. They play through. This is what we want to watch. The point when women play soccer, the point is to not get pushed off the ball. In men's soccer, it's like the point is, please push me so I can fall over and embellish and get a penalty. Yeah.

So Drive to Survive has been fantastic. We watch it. We love it. Do you watch it back and just maybe make a super cut of all the times you piss Toto off and being like, this rules, like, look how mad he is. I did that. Well, do you know what?

You get to see at the end of the year, they send through some of the cuts, and what you don't see is how they've put it with the other pieces. So you think, did I really say that? Did I really say the see you next Tuesday word or something like that? Cut. Yeah.

And sometimes you think, where's this going? So I think we need that to be removed. Yeah. It's an on-the-body experience, so watch yourself back. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. So and then, of course, then you see how they cut.

Because you think, what are they giving the guys on the other side as hard a time as they appear to be giving us? And then you see the whole thing come together. But you've got to remember they're making a show. I mean, it's like the Kardashians on wheels, basically. Yeah. I mean, so it's. I like that.

That's very meta that you guys, like, the idea that you and Toto would complain to them that they showed you complaining more than the other person complaining. Yeah. That's pretty much what you're saying. That's pretty much what you're saying. Yeah. So you watch every episode of it? Have I watched every episode?

I don't think I've seen all the episodes. I've seen the ones that are relevant to us. So you're saying, yeah. And you see what information other people are getting about Red Bull and what's being distributed out there. Is there anything that you think has been unfair in general in the way that you've been portrayed or are the teams been portrayed? Well, you've got to again, you've got to remember that they're making a story or making a show.

And somebody's going to be the villain. Somebody's going to be the hero. And sometimes they swap over. And, you know, there's an element of pantomime to it. I mean, the one thing that's consistent is just how fucking scary Gunter Steiner is. Yes. But that's the consistent theme through all of the shows, what I've seen. Yeah.

So how is your relationship with Toto right now? Is it if he called you and was like, hey, I want to get dinner with you. You'd be like, this is a prank. What are you doing? I think he's blocked. Oh, no. It's fine. I mean, look, there's a healthy, healthy competition.

And I think it's good to have rivalry in sport. Yeah. And they did a lot of winning. They're a great team. And now we're doing our thing. And, you know, we're tending not to look behind. We're looking forward. And it's not really about Toto.

I mean, it's about Ferrari, about Aston Martin. And, you know, he's no doubt got his challenges. So I'll let him focus on those. I'll correct you. It's great for sport to have rivalry. That's what we watch for. Absolutely. Like that is, you know, you want to see there's nothing better than when two teams don't like

each other and the stakes get higher and higher and higher. And you get invested in your team. It's the best. Well, it's boring if everybody just, you know, loves each other and whatever. You've got to have a rivalry and it's got to fire people up. And I think that fires the fans up as well. And there's always going to be people that support you and people that don't. And that will change from country to country that you go to.

So what about the supporters of the different racing teams? Obviously in British football, each team has their supporters. They're known for different things in racing. Is it the same way? Ferrari, you know, it's a great brand, isn't it? It is. It's cool. I wear a Ferrari shirt.

I don't own a Ferrari, but I wear it just so people think I own a Ferrari. You see, you're a classic Ferrari. Yeah. I don't take offense to that. But look, it's great to have so many, so many iconic brands. And what we see is just this fan base growing and growing. And not just for the team, but for the drivers. I mean, you see the support there is for Max when, you know,

he's hit the his orange army traveling around the around the world for such a little country. Those guys get around. And then when we race in Zambor or Belgium, it's unbelievable. And then and then we've got the Mexicans, which is, you know, that's just insane that weekend when we go to. So we've got about four or five home races. Yeah, that's very smart. Yeah.

Who are the hooligans? The hooligans. Yeah. Which which team is the hooligans? Which team is the hooligans? Well, that's probably us. Yeah. You know, we're a bit edgy.

Well, I see that you're you're a company man. You're drinking Red Bull right now. That's we do that. We drank six Coors lights before. But I think we play our music loud. We're a really bad neighbor. You know, everybody's enjoying what they're doing. They're doing it with a smile on their face.

We do things a bit differently. We're not as corporate. You know, nobody in our factory wears a tie. They probably won't get in the factory if they wore a tie. You know, there's a very much a jeans and t-shirt kind of culture in the design functions and so on. So it's just a different culture. And every team has its own characteristic.

And I think the Red Bull one epitomizes, you know, who we are. And and it's got to be fun. It's got to be if you don't enjoy what you do, why do it? Yeah. All right. So last question. This has been fantastic. Best of luck in Miami.

Before Max and Checo come into the room. Who do you love more? Well, look, I love all my children equally. Oh, sure. During the road. I didn't even realize they were in the room. Oh, no. That was my mistake.

Well, there you go. Yeah. Have you got kids? Yeah. You love one more than the other? Yeah. My daughter. Oh, really?

Yeah. That's an easy answer. OK. That's sorry. I mean, it is. That's kind of amazing. In the UK, we'd never say that. I love it.

People do that to me all the time. And I'm just like, yeah, my daughter. And they don't know it. All right. Well, thank you so much, Christian. We really appreciate it. Best of luck in Miami. Very fun to do this in person.

And if you want to troll on the mic, we'll have your back. OK. Just think about it. That's good to know. Yeah. Good luck. Thank you very much. And now for something completely different.

OK. We now welcome on recurring guests who've been on before. It is from Team Red Bull, Max Verstappen, Sergio Perez, Cheko and Max. Thanks for joining us, guys. We're at Miami for the F1 race this weekend. So let's start there. How good is the car right now?

I think it's pretty good. We've won the race so far all the races. So I think that's a great start. I mean, honestly, I think we didn't expect it to be that good. I mean, of course, we had a very strong car to the end of the year, but we really thought that starting this year, other people would have been a bit closer. Especially, I think, in the race, the car is very, very strong. That's of course where you score the points, right?

But yeah, I think we are all positively surprised with it. OK. So dumb question. We asked Christian this, in America, if a team dominates too much, we always start the stupid storyline. Are they bad for the sport? Because they're winning so much. Have you guys ever thought to maybe slow down a little bit,

just so that way the competition thinks they're closer than they are? Like being like, maybe in this race, I'll just hit the break, just a tiny bit, just to make them think that they're close? Dumb question. I knew it sounded dumb when it came out. The problem is, I mean, whoever sits in the lead, if you do that, then your teammate normally will get by. So I don't think that will be the case.

I think we will be really happy if we keep winning every single race. Yeah, I guess now that we break it down, we just asked you, was like, have you ever considered being worse at your job? Yeah, slower. And that's probably not what goes through a Formula One driver's mind at any time. I saw your helmets. So you've got the custom paint design for this race this weekend. Is there, does that make you faster?

I didn't make one. I forgot about it. Oh, you didn't make one? I missed out the boat. So I'm doing one for, I think, in two, three races time. Is there a helmet that you've put on and you look at yourself in the mirror and you're like, yeah, this is a fast helmet? I look at the car more than the helmet.

Yeah, that was another, yeah, we like bet on teams based on their jerseys. So you'd have to understand when we see cool helmets, we're like, oh, they're not going to lose. Not even thinking about the car, just the helmets. Yeah, we're like dogs. We see some of them and we're like, oh, that's cool. All right, so the second year in Miami, how are American race fans? How has it progressed from what you guys have seen?

Obviously, drive to survive has been huge, but Raidos versus other race countries and the events? I mean, I find it amazing how it has grown. And the race weekends in the U.S. are unique because they're so different to, let's say, to the standard format of Formula One. I love it, I enjoy it. There are a lot of fans, a lot of Latins always in Miami, for example. And it's great to see how much they're getting into the sport

and also the young generations. So yeah, it's great that finally Formula One made it to the U.S. Yeah, yeah, what do you think? Yeah, I think it's always been quite busy at the track, right? But even getting back to your hotel now and just in general, the travel to the track, you can see it's a lot busier and a lot more fans around. So yeah, definitely it has grown a lot in the last few years. I mean, compared to like 2015 and now it's a different world.

Of course, that first started in Austin and now, of course, here in Miami, Vegas coming up later. So yeah, I think it's a good thing. I mean, I enjoy anyway being in the U.S. So it's good that we have a few races here. I also, you know, people say, is it not too much to have three races or whatever? But the country is so big, it's almost like Europe, right? Yeah, yeah.

I think it's quite, I think it's quite normal. Texas is bigger than France. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're very different as well. Miami, Austin, Vegas. So speaking of that, when you when they unveil a new track, how long does it take you guys to learn the track on the simulator or like feel comfortable with the track?

Because I'd imagine that's a lot of your job is like knowing exactly when you're pushing, when you're laying off the turns and everything. How long is that process? It depends a bit, right? Like, I mean, sometimes a different track gets to the calendar, which has been around for a while, but not an F1, for example. But I know the track from when I was a young kid playing already on a simulator or whatever. But if it's a complete new track, which like, you know, Miami last year,

it just, yeah, it takes a few laps. I mean, first, you go to an onboard or whatever of a previous simulator driver and back at Red Bull and he's been driving already to try and set up the car a bit for you. And yeah, it takes a few more laps than normal. But then again, also to to judge like the grip levels and stuff, you have no idea, right? Until you actually get to get to the track. So it is always a bit more difficult than another track. Yeah, yeah.

We saw Daniel Ricardo at the Met Gala last week. You guys see the pictures of him talking to Anne Hathaway, being a big time celebrity. Did you guys get an invitation to the Met? I wasn't invited. I don't know if Max was. No, would you? I'm not a kind of guy to go to these kind of events. Yeah, so you wouldn't go.

If you were invited, Chaco, would you go? I wouldn't go either. I prefer I prefer to go and play golf. Yeah, I was a golf game right now. Are you shooting like what's your score? Well, I had I played this this morning and I had a pretty good run. But I only played six holes because I was in a rush. Pretty much just got a buggy.

OK, the rest was a par. So it went really well. Yeah, you're pretty much a scratch golfer. Yeah, yeah, right around that right around part. That's good. That's fun. Yeah, but that was my best run in the last. I wouldn't be here.

Have you ever had a hole in one? No. And I don't think I will ever get one. Have you? I haven't. I shot a 1-19 the other week, but I had two birdies, which is hard to do. It's the equivalent of I'm really bad at golf.

Yeah, I mean, you guys are. I have no clue what you guys are talking about. Yeah, why don't you golf? You should golf. What basically he says is that he's done two pole positions, but he has crashed pretty much. OK, that's pretty much it. Right?

Yeah, it's a good start. It's two of the fastest laps and then every other lap. He just put it on the water. Like a car fire. Max, do you own a lion? Do you own a lion? I read a story that you own a lion. Well, we kind of adopted a lion.

That's what I mean, a lion. And to make. That was like this kind of like, was it the Christmas kind of presents you have to give to other drivers, right? You gave someone a lion? And you can adopt a lion. You can adopt a lion and then,

well, he didn't get the actual lion. I mean, the lion is still walking around in the wild. We need to find this lion. You're taking care of the lion. But you own it. But you own it. No, that's your lion. Yeah, no, wait.

So what other gifts did you get? Because that's a pretty cool gift. Well, I gave it away. I gave it away. I gave it to Mick. OK. So yeah. So Mick owns a lion.

A lion. Kind of. Do you get to visit the lion if you wanted to? Could you go find it? Yeah. Yeah, you should find that lion. It should be. Wait, so you give gifts to other racers?

Well, that was like this Christmas kind of thing we do at the end of the year from F1. Basically, you are forced to. OK. So what did you guys get other people? Well, so I gave that to Mick. And I got an F1 cover with three times Charles on it. OK.

So Charles, of course, gifted that to me. Wait, so you guys were basically playing Secret Santa and you're like, I'm getting someone a lion. Yeah, that's the word. Secret Santa, that's the word I was looking for. What did you get? I got sake from Juki. OK.

And I gave some god lessons to Albon. OK. But not a lion. That's a mean gift to give somebody's god lessons. Yeah. You guys don't want to give me all sorts of lessons. That wasn't my idea, though. If you ever get me, do not give that to me.

Yeah. Do you guys get each other gifts? Well. It's OK. Me and Big Cat don't give each other gifts. That's fine. We kiss every year on our birthdays, that's it. Oh, yeah?

We haven't done that yet. You guys haven't kissed each other? No, that will happen now. Bad teammates. Do you guys want to kiss? Do you want to? No, no, we're good to go now. That's fine, that's fine, that's fine.

You will do it now? Well. Would you do it now? In front of the camera? Or are you shy? In front of the camera? It's your birthday, not really, but it's not a birthday. We do it.

You've got to wait for the birthday. We'll send you a video on our birthday. OK. Of us kissing. Yeah. It's fine, you don't. I don't want to see it. Good day of birth.

Don't send a video. We kiss at midnight, because I'm January 30th. He's January 31st. All right. It's like a passing of the torch. You understand. If you guys had birthdays next to each other, you'd probably kiss.

Yeah. All right, so the start of the season, obviously you guys have been in the news a lot. You guys are both racing. You're free to race, competing against each other. I thought maybe we should do a team building exercise. I googled team building exercise. So it's just I just googled how to build a team together.

And I have a couple of exercises we can do if you guys are down. You ready? All right. All right. So it's just to learn about each other. What's the best piece of advice you've ever received? From anyone?

Anyone. This is just to learn about each other. And you guys are going to walk out of this being like, I love you, man. I love you, man. Just push the right pedal. OK, that's a good piece of advice. That's a good advice.

That's a good advice. Stay with two feet on the ground. OK, OK. What's the most profound experience that you guys have ever had? This is team building. It could be. We've got to let ourselves be vulnerable here.

It could be anything. It could be seeing the northern lights. It could be whatever. Well, I think the most we've been together, it was in Austria, where I drove you for like eight hours. And you were sitting. And he was on the side. I was driving the truck through the mountain and so on.

That was actually a good experience that day. I mean, it was a long day. Like we had to wake up super early. You remember, my god. But it was a good team building. Yeah. This is good. Do you remember these moments?

I almost broke the gearbox. You remember on the track? Yeah. I love the wheel. Yeah. Like I remember one time when PFT threw up and I had to hold his hair back. Like that's team building.

That's how you build closeness. That's how you build it too. All right. Next one. So what did you learn from that experience? What did we learn? That I can't handle my milk. Yeah.

And then I'll always be there. I thought you cut your hair. So you don't need to hold his hair. That's true. Yeah. Also, yeah. Don't drink a gallon of milk and try to run. But that's a different story.

How do you most like to be recognized or thanked for your contribution? So when you do something, how do you like people to be like, great job? How do you like that? Because maybe we start doing it to each other. Right? Well, just being yourself and honest.

Yeah. But like, so Checo wins. Checo, what would you like Max to say to you if you win a race? You are amazing, Checo. You know what you've done. Chop them. Yeah. Yeah.

That's beautiful. You've done it. OK. So Max, you win a race. What would you like Checo to say to you? Um, this is good. I feel like we're making a breakthrough. I really do.

We're getting there, right? Yeah, this is the hard stuff. Actually, in the most Mexican way, you have to approach me. OK. Just like, I don't know, like with the accent, you know, the full-on Mexican, hey, man. Good win. Yeah, it's good.

High five. Yeah, I like that. We can't high five. We just keep missing each other. Yeah. Let's start high-fiving each other. Do you guys have a handshake that you do together? Like a handshake?

I think it's just a normal, you know. When was the last time you got high-fived? Well, last week. Yeah. Did you? Yeah. Did you feel it though? Yeah.

High five right now. Let's see it. That was pretty good. That was pretty good. That felt good. We're getting used to it, Joe, when you're always on the podium together. Yeah.

Yeah. You can practice a lot. Yeah. The next one here is, I want you guys to tell each other what's one quality in each other that you appreciate? So, Checa, what's your favorite thing about Max as a person? He's a good loser, I'll say. Oh, okay.

All right, that's good. All right. No, no, no. You're not going to be on the locker room. When he, you know, because when you have, he has a fame of a bad loser. But honestly, whenever I beat him, he's like, he really like, well done.

And he's a very normal in Formula One to have those sort of teammates. That's a good answer. He really comes and, you know, you're well done, mate. Yeah, rooting for each other. And you can see that he feels it. And that's, I appreciate that. Yeah, Max, you, Checa.

Yes, I wanted to say just, you know, the family man, Checa. No, because, I mean, people are always so focused, you know, on their fun career. And that's their only sole goal, you know, to try and achieve. And it always feels like if you don't achieve any, not what you want in a fun, your life is like, over or whatever, you know, you get these kind of like impressions. But I do like how Checo handles everything

and how he sees a fun world. But also, you know, it's important to have good family life. And, you know, that's probably way more important than whatever you do in a fun. Anyway, you know, perspective. Yeah, that's beautiful. All right, this, this last one might be a little tricky, but we're going to give it a try.

Okay, because I feel like we're getting somewhere. The last one that the team building, when I Googled it, it said, look into your teammate's eyes for 60 seconds without taking away the gaze. So you guys are going to look each other's eyes. For 60 seconds. Yeah, I'm going to have, I have the timer right here. And we'll just narrate, but you guys just stare at each other.

Okay, we are not allowed to. No, can't break. You're going to want to, you're going to want to, but yeah. All right, ready to go. All right, look each other's eyes. Here we go. Time. All right, so they're looking at each other.

This is good. It does look good. Do you feel like, you know, your souls are connecting? Yeah, I'm really feeling it. Yeah, this is good. Really. Mad guy. He's very intense.

Oh, oh, he looked away. He might have to restart, but we may never get out of here. All right. Oh, Max just kind of looked away a little too. Max has really quick eyes. Did you see that? Stay locked in. You got 40 more seconds, guys.

This is, you feel it. I feel it. Yeah, I feel the love in this room right now. I feel like you guys are finally connecting. Like you haven't looked at each other's eyes. Oh, a little sigh. That was cute. Yeah.

Oh, you're starting to mirror each other's body language, too. You're nodding a little bit. I'm going to say that you guys can kiss if you want to. That's fine. That's fine. OK, all right. They're saying no.

20 seconds. That's such good teammates. They know, like, hey, I don't want to kiss you. Yeah, right. I also don't want to kiss. Right. All right. This feels good.

This is beautiful. You just look at each other. Yeah, no laughing. This is so good. I feel the bond is getting stronger. We got, oh, they went thumbs up on each other. That was just to remind each other they're good. And time.

That was great. How'd that feel? Unbelievable. Yeah. I really felt it. OK. Do you guys feel closer? Yeah.

We were already that close. It can't even get closer. It can't get any closer. It can always get closer, right? No. We're going to have to build. We're going to have to. We cannot get closer, right?

We're going to have to build Christian Horner for all the things we've done for the team Red Bull here. Therapist. Because this feels like you guys are. What was that, like, on Google? Like, team building? Yeah, it was one of the first things. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it was Truss Falls, too. But I don't really want to do a Truss Fall. But yeah. Yeah. It was the most generic, like, icebreaker thing you do, like, in a corporate America. And we did it.

Yeah. What we just did. Yeah, we did it. And we, I feel like you guys are as close as you ever met. It's unbelievable, isn't it? Yeah. OK. Serious F1 question.

Do you think that Formula One is trying to nerf the Red Bull team? Are they trying to make you guys slower with the DRS stuff? Are they out to get you? Well, no. I think so far it's been all right. I mean, I think it's natural, you know, when one team is ahead that people start looking into things.

But for the moment, I think it's all right. I mean, we've had it before as well, where, you know, other teams have been dominating. And at one point, of course, you know, there are real changes and things get upset a bit. But that's how Formula One goes, you know? Yeah. So Miami last year, there was a famous clip

because we had one of the guys on the broadcast going around interviewing famous people. He was getting a bunch of them wrong because they were like American sports stars. Have you guys met anyone in America that you didn't know who it was? And then afterwards they're like, hey, that was someone pretty important.

Chuck. Chuck Leclerc. OK. You know Chuck? Yeah. Yeah, Charles Leclerc. Yeah. So you met him.

Yeah, Chuck. Chuck. I didn't know who Chuck was. And then I found out it was Charles. But have you guys met like any big time sports stars and stuff? Because it was very funny watching it when he would just go up. I think he walked past Patrick Mahomes or something. Yeah, he went up to Paulo Banquero, the basketball player,

and said, this is Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. And it was like, that couldn't be more wrong. So has that happened to you guys now that you're getting bigger in America where you've met someone? I mean, at that time, especially in the grid, you see all these famous and all these cameras, but it's like you are just thinking about it.

It's like proper television. You don't look left or right. I think it's more or less the same for any sport. Like if you are the one who has to play or drive or whatever, like just pretty focused on what you have to do, especially when it's that crowded. I mean, it would be a bit like before you walk onto the pitch, right?

If there are like fans just walking around. Yeah, pretty much. You know, it's a bit weird. Of course, we grew up like that, but at one point when it gets so crowded, you're like, whatever. Yeah, what's going on? Just do your thing where we are just busy and focus with our engineer to go through all the things

before you even do the start, right? So you're pretty isolated in a way as well. Who is your favorite American? My favorite American. Anyone in this room can be picked, too. Anyone has a tough question? Yeah, anyone? There's a million of us.

Favorite American? I don't know. I don't have. But I don't have a favorite. Daniel Ricardo. He's an import. He's an import American. I really felt like he really made it now to the US.

That's a perfect answer. Yeah, yeah. Is that the Met Gala? Yeah, that's great. He does wish he was American. Yeah, I really think. The Howdy Hats, all that stuff. He rides on a horse in the pallor.

So back to the start when all those fans are on the track and then they get off and then you're ready to start. How like the seconds before you start, what's going to, is your mind completely blank? Like I have to just nail this start. And you know right away, like, oh, I missed that by a split second. Or, oh, that was an incredible start. I hit it.

Yeah, well, you feel straight away if it's a good one or a bad one. Really? Yeah. As soon as you release like the clutch, it's either wheel spin or it just accelerates, you know? So I think last year was OK. Yeah. But yeah, you had a good.

Yeah, it was all right. I mean, I stopped P3. But you know, also on a new track, like it's the first time you're going to do a start into turn one. Like there are a lot of things you don't really know about as well. So yeah, it's a bit more exciting. Yeah. And then what about like if you guys, you know,

sometimes it'll be crashes, sometimes it'll be things that you think someone else is doing something dangerous to you or vice versa. After the race, do you ever go up and talk to those guys? You didn't saw the last race? The last sprint race? No. OK.

You should watch it. OK. Nothing happened. Yeah. OK. So what happens after that? Do you go and talk to the guy? Yeah, it depends because how bad,

if you really want to say something or question, yeah. Yeah. He had an award with one of the other drivers. OK. After the race. And is it like? But it doesn't get like, because in NASCAR, like they properly. They fight.

They fist fight. Yeah. They properly fight. Yeah. I'm in the wrong sport. Yeah. Would you like to fight other drivers? No.

No, honestly, I'm joking. Yeah. If I'm going to say that, it's going to be all over there. Yeah. No, but I mean, sometimes, of course, you see that in NASCAR, right? A bit more. Yeah.

It's not allowed. I mean, even if you grab someone like that, you get already two days of homework. Yeah. Yeah. I've done that already. So. Yeah.

So they measure everything that happens on the track. They measure everything about the car. They measure everything about driver's reaction time. There's so much that you have to look through. Is there ever, like, how do you sort what's important to pay attention to and what needs to be improved versus all the other numbers and data that's coming at you that doesn't really make a difference

to you on a day-to-day basis? You're going to do one more. Can you repeat that one? It seems like they measure everything about, like, everything's tracked in every single race that you do. But that's like too much information for you to have to. No, I think, sorry. Sorry.

I got the question. I think at the end of the day, we have so much information to look through with the engineers and so on. You know, we have information about the gearbox, about the engine, about the tires, about the brakes. But at the end of the day, there is so much the driver can control. And I find it useful that you just focus on things

that you can change so that you can influence. Because if you try to focus on so many things at the end of the day, it just becomes so much. And there are drivers that can have more stuff than others. And it's just down to you to feel what you're able to filter. Yeah. So off that, you guys are driving the car.

You know the car better than the engineers. Are there times when you're like, hey, change this? And they say, no, we're not going to. Because we've planned this out. Like, who gets final say when it comes to the modifications of the car? Well, I think if you really, really want to, then you put whatever you want on the car.

But it's also a working relationship, right? So, I mean, if you really force sometimes things through, maybe engineers not entirely happy or the people around you. So it's also sometimes a bit of a 50-50 scenario where you have to find a compromise, right? Where sometimes they come up with something and you come up with something which might be a little bit different.

And you're like, oh, should we go in the middle? Or, you know, so you just have to work together. That's why it's a team sport at the end of the day. And I mean, to just head first, go into things and force things on the car is not always, I think, the right way to go. Yeah. I have a really dumb question.

This is maybe dumber than the other ones that we've asked. Another one. Yeah, another one. We asked what really good at asking dumb questions, huh? Are you better at turning left or turning right? Good question. Tough. I mean, I think in the circuit, you have turns where you just,

they come more natural to you than others. You know, because you look at the data, at the telemetry, and you say, oh, I'm looking good at turn one, turn two, but then I'm missing to maximum turn nine. And you have to focus on turn nine. But normally it doesn't really matter if it's left or right. Right. Normally not.

I mean, you do have a leading eye, which I do think has an influence on things. But yeah, I think it's more the shape of corners. It doesn't really matter if it's left or right. It's like just the speed or the angle, the degrees. It's actually a good question. Yeah, because they might track that. You might be just slightly better at one direction.

Because like you said, the leading eye thing, and also being right or left-handed, might have the tiniest bit. What does that mean, though, a leading eye? Well, I do feel, I mean, you can see it, right? If you already put your hand in front of your eyes, there is a bit of a difference. So you always see a bit better through one eye.

And I feel like sometimes you can look around the corner a bit better if it's, for me, to the right and a left-hand corner. But yeah, it's more like with some kind of reaction stuff. Or when you're looking, you have to look straight, but then you have to touch bits on the left or the right. It can have a bit of an influence as well. Yeah, maybe an F1. It's not as big, but yeah.

Okay, so last question. You guys have been great. It's great having you on. Good luck with the rest of the season. Can we get one last high five? I just want to see it one more time. Just so people can see it. See how much it developed at the end of the day.

Have we gotten better? So let's go a high five. Oh, no. Big one worse. Oh, it's failed. You can tell you're a golfer because you didn't connect on a high five. It failed. I think it didn't work. We got to end with a high five.

Look, bam. See that? Come on. You guys high five. Let's see the trust. Yes. Okay. Feels like we got something accomplished here.

So thank you guys. You've got to take Christian. Yes. Yes. Yeah, no, we're going to bill him $2 billion for what we've done today. Yeah. That's a good start. Yeah.

Yes. Good luck. If you get $200, you've done a good job. All right. Well, thank you guys and best of luck for the rest of the season. Thank you guys. Thanks, guys. Thanks.

And now for something completely different. Okay. We now welcome on one of our favorite recurring guests, probably the longest running thing that we do on the calendar. It's true. Randy Moss for the Kentucky Derby. It is time. You can see him on NBC.

He's going to be doing the Oaks on Friday. He's got the Kentucky Derby on Saturday. It's a great weekend for horse racing. Randy, let's start big picture. How are we feeling about the track weather, just general vibe for this year's Kentucky Derby? Well, it's Derby week. So you know, it's going to rain.

I think it's supposed to rain Friday for the Oaks, but in the weather manner or, you know, there's bad handicappers as the rest of us. But what they say is that by the time we get to Saturday, it's going to be okay. And I mean, you know, big cat from the past, the racetrack at Churchill is so fast drying that it ought to be. If they're right, then it ought to be a pretty good track Saturday.

But it's looking good. The horses are all, you know, all seem to be training pretty well. And the place looks good. They just, they're redoing the paddock. And they did a whole new grandstand area on the first turn. It looks almost space age. It looks like Arlington Park was really nice.

So yeah, all systems go. I'd love to make it to the Kentucky Derby at some point. That's that's on my bucket list of events. I can't believe I haven't been there yet, but seems like the most fun ever. I'm sure you still have a great time after, you know, you've been going for a really long time. It's still probably one of the best weekends of your year.

I haven't been paying that much attention to the storylines leading up to this year's Derby. So really all I know going into this Derby, I think that is this the last year? Like Bob Baffert's not allowed to be training in the horses in this race, right? Besides that, maybe we can get back to that later. Besides that, what are the big storylines in this year's race?

Well, there's a lot of them as always. And by the way, before you come to the Derby for the first time, go onto YouTube or Amazon and look up Hunter S. Thompson, Kentucky Derby, just Google that and read what the Louisville native Hunter S. Thompson has to say about the Kentucky Derby. You'll be laughing for a week. That was my intro into the Kentucky Derby. The Kentucky Derby is decadent and depraved.

One of the best stories of all time. That's it. Okay, you beat me to it there. You already did. Storylines, other than the Baffert storyline, I think probably the number one storyline in this year's race is going to be the two Japanese horses in the race. Because Japanese horses, guys, are absolutely picking ass worldwide.

It's happened in Saudi Arabia, where they dominate. It's happened in Dubai, where this year in the UA Derby, they ran one, two, three, four. They won the Dubai World Cup. The number one rate it worked in the world is a Japanese tour force. They wanted the Breeders Cup here. The last time they had runners, they had two winners, including one that looked like she had absolutely no chance at all.

They've won in Australia. Wherever they go, the Japanese horses right now are, they look like the best horses in the world. And it got to the point that in the San Anita Derby this year, they shipped a horse from Japan that ran at a B-level racetrack in Japan. A horse called Mandarin Hero. And he got beat that far in the San Anita Derby. So there are two horses in the Japanese horses in the Derby this year.

One of them is my pick to win the Derby. He's probably going to be seven, eight, nine, 10 to one. His name is Durma Sotogake. And in my eyes, not only do you have the Japanese on our track now, but he, to me, he looked like the fastest horse in the race. So I think it's, you know, keep it simple stupid, right? Yeah. So, and I think you said it last year,

maybe it was a private conversation, but the Japanese horse racing has had a boom recently. But isn't it, and I may have this wrong, but it all goes back to, is it Seattle Slough? What was the horse that basically was the start, the come of that horse, for lack of a better term, was the start of all these Japanese horses. And now they're, you know, generations down the line

and it's all starting to become this like huge, huge thing. Yeah, you got the right story. The horse is Sunday style. That's right. Who won the Kentucky Derby and the Breeders Cup Classic in 1989, when he retired to stud, none of the American breeders were excited about him at all. They didn't really want to breed to him.

So the owner of the horse, Arthur Hancock from Kentucky, got this fantastic offer from the Japanese and he needed the money to save the farm. The farm was in some financial difficulty because it was an economic downturn. So he sold Sunday silence against, really, his best wishes to the Japanese. And Sunday silence became one of,

if not the most influential sires in the world. And almost all of these Japanese horses, including the two that we'll see in the Derby, graced back in their pedigree, two, three generations back to Sunday silence. It's been the bedrock of this Japanese resurgence in horse racing. Yeah, it's fascinating that it all goes back to Sunday silence. Do the horses care about time zones?

Do you have to get the Japanese horses in ahead of time? Because, I mean, if you just ship a horse over from Japan, I have to imagine like it is halfway around the world, day is night, night is day. Yeah, that's the only conceivable drawback to the source running in the Kentucky Derby and his chances to win is travel. That's what people will cite if they say they don't like Dermasotagaki.

Because he went from, obviously, from Japan to Saudi Arabia, and he ran in the big Saudi race for three rows. And then he went from Saudi to Dubai, which is just a puddle jump. And he won the UAE Derby by five and a half lengths or something like that. And then from Dubai to the United States. But he's been here for quite a while. He's had a chance to acclimate in the flesh. He looks great.

Hasn't lost any weight. He's worked out to have been really good, really nice looking horse. And so, you know, I'm going to try not to get too deep into the weeds on the travel and just trust the Japanese because they certainly know, they've proven, that they know how to travel with their horses and succeed. Yeah, so Dermasotagaki, which will probably take some money because of what you said, you know, Japanese horses, the UAE Derby, everything, Forte is the favorite, three to one right now.

Where do you think the price is going to land with the favorite? Is it going to be a horse that is like, is Forte a horse that is that much better than everyone else, that everyone's going to wake up and the casual betters are going to get in on it? Or is this something that maybe it goes, maybe, maybe three to one, it goes four to one? Yeah, I think, I think the latter. I think it gets seven to two, four to one. There's not a lot of love right now from some of the big betters out there from Forte. And it's not just because he's the favorite and they're trying to beat the favorite.

He he's the most accomplished horse in the race. He was the two-year-old champion last year. He won the Breeders Cup Juvenile. He's only been beaten once in his career. But his win last time out in the Florida Derby was not visually the type of race that you would like to see if you're going to bet a Kentucky Derby favorite. He looked like it left to me and a lot of people, it left a lot to be desired. So I think Forte is definitely a favorite to try to take a stand against.

And another reason to like the Japanese horse is that the American three-year-olds this year, they're OK. I wouldn't say they're bad, but it's a pretty average group right now on paper. I think we ask this question every year, but who is the who's the wild card horse? Like the Draymond Green of horses that will libel to freak out, maybe cause a ruckus when they first get started, but ultimately could be a horse that could make some noise. Tapit Trice is his name. And he's actually going to be the second favorite in the race.

But he comes from the same barn as Forte. Todd Pletcher is the trainer. Tapit Trice is a horse that's got just a world of talent. But he doesn't like the starting gate. He breaks slowly from the starting gate in most all of his races. He doesn't like to run inside of horses. He gets kind of claustrophobic when horses start to come over on him. He kind of freaks out a little bit.

He doesn't necessarily like dirt hitting him in the face. And he's in a 20 horse field. Tough business in the end. Yeah, he doesn't. He's not the kind of horse that can get stopped in traffic and then pick it right back up again. It takes him a while. He's like a local motive that, you know, when he gets rolling, he can really roll. But it takes him a while to get going and he's not stopping to start kind of horse to go through traffic.

So all of those things are going to work against him in a 20 horse field. But he'll try to get him wide. So he's outside and he's out of all the kickback and he doesn't have to stop and start. And if he doesn't get caught too wide, if he doesn't lose too much ground, he can really run. So this race feels like won't be one of those Kentucky Derbies where this pace is insane right to start. Who does that favor? So like it's going to be a little bit slower to start.

Not one of those ones where it's like, holy shit, they're going so fast. Which horse is in the field? Does that favor knowing that the pace probably won't be blistering right out of the gate? Number one on the top of that list is Dermasodogakin. He went wire to wire in the UAE derby, but he doesn't have to be in front. It was the only time in his life he's ever actually gone to the early lead. So he's versatile. He's adaptable.

He can go either way. But he'll be really close. The other horse is a horse called Bear Fine, who didn't get the best draw. He's in post position number two, but he's got some early speed as well. Those are the two horses I think that are going to be favored the most. It looks like by what the pace is going to be. And with the Japanese horse, guys, the one thing I'm worried about, the main thing I'm worried about.

And I don't ordinarily put a whole lot of stock in the jockeys, because when you get to the Kentucky derby, this level, the jockeys, there's not a lot of difference between your irate or teases and, you know, your flabby and prats. And then you can just pick them out of a hat. There really doesn't make much difference. But Dermasodogakin is written by a Frenchman named Christophe Lemaire, who was relocated to Japan.

And he's one of the leading riders in Japan. Not all that familiar with American dirt racing. And last year, he had a mountain in the Kentucky derby on another Japanese horse called Crown Pride, who was also the UAE derby winner. Look as good as Dermasodogakin. He wasn't a bad horse. He left the starting gate like he was in a quarter horse race. Christophe Lemaire was like in almost in a drive out of the starting gate.

And he hooked up with another foreign jockey on a horse called Summer is Tomorrow. And they went the first quarter mile in a sprint time, 21 and three fifth seconds. It was the fastest opening quarter mile in the history of the Kentucky derby. So hopefully Christophe Lemaire has learned something from his last year's mount in the Kentucky derby, which was his last American dirt race, by the way. And he won't ride Dermasodogakin the same way that he rode Crown Pride, fingers crossed. So speaking of that, last year's race obviously was a memorable one because a rich strike at 80 to 1. You know how gambling works.

People will take that from last year and be like, well, it's going to happen again. Let's find the long shot on the board. So I'm not saying it's going to happen again. But if you had to pick a horse that was 30 to one or more that has, hey, this could be another magical ride, which horse would it be? Probably a horse named Hitcho, who was second in the Wood Memorial. The Wood Memorial is not going to get a lot of love because it's a race that's really kind of falling on hard times as a effective Kentucky derby prep race.

This year was kind of a slow running as well. It's kind of messy race. Three horses at the wire together, bumping and grinding. But Hitcho, I think, is going to get a little bit overlooked because of that. He's trained by Brad Cox. He's got four horses in the derby. Brad's one of the very best trainers in the business. He's on a real roll right now.

And I think Hitcho would be the most likely, you know, big long shot to win. He's not 80 to one like Rich Strife. Yeah. And now Hitcho's on the rail and you, you know, we've learned that the gate has changed. They changed the gate a few years ago. Has it made the rail a lot better? Has it changed it like to a point where the rail is not something people should be afraid of, like years past the Kentucky Derby?

First of all, my opinion, and it happens to be a minority opinion, but I got it. I can back it up with statistics. The rail was never as bad as people like to make it out to be. Okay. And as a matter of fact, if you go back 30 years in the Kentucky Derby, on average, horses raking from the number one post position outran their odds. Now, if you could, there were certain horses who, with a running style, that could be disadvantaged by having the rail, but most of the time,

racing on the inside is the shortest way around and it actually could benefit a horse. But yes, one of the big disadvantages in the old way, in the old starting gate at Churchill Downs, they used two starting gates, right? They didn't have one huge 20 horse starting gate. They had two 14 horse gates that they sort of put end to end, or maybe a 14 and a 10, I think it was. And as a result, the horse that broke from the rail in order to fit both gates onto the racetrack, when they left the gate, the horse was looking right into the bend of the rail as it turned

down the stretch. So the Jockeys would have to maneuver out around that bend in the rail, and it could cause some issues. Now, with the new starting gate at Churchill Downs, it's a 120 horse gate, so it's not as wide and the number one post position no longer has that disadvantage. They can run a straight line and not have to worry about it. Interesting. All right. So back to Bob Baffert. It's his last year suspended from the Kentucky Derby, but he's in litigation, right? So he's kind of like taking his time on this. Maybe I'm not well read enough on the story, but the way I've read it is that he's kind of extended his own issues with the Derby by

taking this whole thing to court and exhausting all of his legal options. But is this, is this the last year that he will be suspended from the Derby? Yes, this is the last year the Baffert will be suspended from the Derby. Look, there is certainly no love lost between Churchill Downs and Bob Baffert. And as soon as they handed down a two year suspension, it was guaranteed, or two year ban, it was guaranteed that there was going to be no love lost between them. Baffert has fought everything in court that he could possibly fight. And so far, even in the cases that it looked like he might have a chance, you know, to at least get, you know, some sort of relief. He's been shot down every time by the

Kentucky court system. It's gotten to the point where if you go to Bob's old barn at Churchill Downs, which used to be covered with signs, you know, about Bob's previous six Derby winners, and it was like a shrine to the Baffert stable. It was tastefully done, but it was, you know, it was his barn. It was Bob's barn. And it stayed there year round, and it was like a tourist attraction. You can't find any trace of Bob Baffert on the Churchill Downs back stretch. They've pretty much like whitewashed Bob Baffert from the history of the Kentucky Derby, at least visually when you come to the track and go to the back side. So, yeah, there's a lot of animosity, I think, between Baffert and Churchill Downs. And it'll be interesting to see how that

plays out when he's back at Churchill Downs, almost certainly with some high level horses next year. Yeah. Okay. So I have a couple of last questions. Always great to see you, Randy. It's like the, I just love this, this like stretch when we have all the playoffs and then Kentucky Derby comes and we get to see your face and it's like, it's all happening. All right. I want to talk about the Oaks in a second, but give us one last thing on the Kentucky Derby. I love playing exotics. I love building just ridiculous tickets. What horse should I have added that you know is like, hey, they might not be there, but they're a great finisher. And if you're trying to hit a try, like you probably want to have them as part of it. If you're looking for a big long shot to throw into

the try other than hit show, I would say a horse called Disarm, who's going to be a stretch runner, who's doing really well. You know, there's not a lot of speed in the race on paper, so that's not going to help him. We talked about that. But my exacter right now is the Dermasota Gaki and a horse called Verifying. We talked about those two as being the ones that could benefit the most from the pace. And while you're betting, bring a little extra money because the race before the Kentucky Derby, it's a race called the Old Forrester Turf Classic. It's a mile and an eighth on the grass, right? There is a horse in the race called Up to the Mark that I'm really excited to bet on. He's trained by Todd Fletcher, love all of his recent races. He might not even be

the favorite, probably second choice, but he's a horse you can bet on in the race before the Derby. And then maybe you can have a little bit more ammunition, right? When it gets to Derby race itself. Okay, I like it. Now, what about Oaks? Do you have a pick for us in the Oaks? It's kind of a bad Oaks, honestly, it really is. It's pretty lackluster group of horses. To me, it's going to be hard to beat the favorite. The favorite's name is Wet Paint. She's a horse that's won, I think, three races in a row all at Oakland Park. Comes from Last, which is pretty unusual for a horse to be that consistently a winner on dirt with that kind of running style. She's two of her races have been on wet racetracks. So if the weatherman is right and it rains on Friday, that might even

go up. And there is another horse in the race called South Lawn, one word, who's also really in good form right now. So it's nothing, you know, not telling you anything that a lot of other people couldn't get out of the racing form. But I like a wet paint South Lawn, exact. Okay, wet paint. I feel like that's a name that there has to have been another horse named Wet Paint before, right? Probably, I don't know. I didn't look it up. It's owned by Good Dolphin, right? So Good Dolphin is Sheikh Mohammed, the ruler of Dubai. Yeah. And sometimes he names all these horses like with Arabic names that are hard to pronounce and nobody knows what they actually mean. But Wet Paint. Yeah, I feel like there

should be some sort of, somebody should be keeping track of that, make sure that we don't have any duplicate named horses. Also, do you know? Oh, they do. They do. Oh, really? Yeah. Very strict rules about the reuse of names. There has to be a certain waiting period. If a horse is really good and like standing at stud or a brood mare or, or, you know, major stakes winner, that name gets thrown out and you can't use it anymore. Like they'll never be another Seattle slew or a firm. Yeah. You know, or Sunday silence for that matter. So yeah, they keep pretty close tabs on it. A rowback question. RHOBACK.com, use code TAKE for 20% off your first purchase. Q-Zips, polos, hoodies and shorts. Shorts for the summer. Go to rowback.com, use promo code TAKE for 20%

off your first purchase. Most comfortable clothes out there. The last thing I had, and this is more of a horse racing as a sport in general. And I don't know what you can do. You're a powerful man. Maybe you can talk to someone. I was at the breeders this past fall. Flight line, I'll say it was the best horse I've ever seen, was incredible. And I got to see American Pharaoh at the breeders as well. There has to be, there should be a rule that you have to race a certain amount of races, because what happened is, I think a lot of people tuned in and like just anecdotally, like friends hitting me up being like, this horse is incredible. Why, why is it not racing anymore? It's like, well, it makes so much more money going to stud than continuing to race. But flight line was that

type of horse that you saw and it took your breath away and every, I mean, what, race five races, four races, like every single race was the same thing of like, oh my God, I can't believe how good this horse is. Can we change this? Can we fix this? They have to race again. You know, it's money. You, you said it. Horses can make way more money like flight line, that good way more money at stud than they can ever hope to make on the racetrack. It could be changed, but there's only one way to do it. And it would have to be done worldwide, not just in the United States, but it would benefit every country really. And the breed, and the breeders would fight it because of the money involved. But here it is. And I've been

saying this for years, a rule in this, in the book that says that, that no horse can race. Okay. Unless the stallion and the dam were at least five years old at the time of conception. Put in, yeah, which means horses would have to stay in training throughout their, they couldn't just retire at the end of their three year old year. They would have to stay in training as a four year old. Now with flight line is older, it wouldn't have made a difference with flight line because he was already four. He had had some, you know, some injuries early in his career and some setbacks that had put him behind schedule. And that's why he only had only run so few times. So it wouldn't necessarily have resulted in flight line staying. But there are a

lot of really like American Pharaoh. Yeah. A lot of really good horses. They get retired after their three year old season, because the money is so, you know, overwhelming. It's still like a flight line, right? You, they've, I think they retired in a stud for a $200,000 stud thing. Okay. They could breed flight line easily, conservatively to 150 mayors. Whoa. Okay. That's, that's $30 million the first year for flight line. So horses typically have breed three different years, really two before you, you see their offspring and breeders have a chance to look at the babies and see how good they look and all that. So that's a guaranteed 60 mil before you ever know how good the babies look and 90 mil before you ever see them run. It's not. So the money is a

surge. It's absurd. Yeah. Yeah. The only way to change it would be something like I said. And it would feel like more of a long play if people could get together, because again, it's like people, you know, it's similar to sports. You root for the teams that you know, the players you know, if you have these horses that are exceptional and if American Pharaoh keeps racing after, you know, the breeders went after retired, like people will tune in because they're like, Oh, I know that name. So I don't know. It's just, it's just, it's a bummer sometimes when you see a horse like that. And like you said, flight line was already old enough. But when you see a horse like that, you're like, all I want to do is see this horse run again. Like I want to see this

horse run and race. I don't care about the $30 million is going in someone's pocket. But I know that's not how the world works. You just, you've just hit on the single biggest problem in horse racing right now. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Three the early retirement of superstars. You know what they call that when when horses take time off from racing so they can just breed all the time. Load management. Yeah. Was flight line one of the best horses you ever saw? Yes. Yeah. Secretariat was the best store. I didn't see him in the flesh. I watched him as a kid on TV. The three best, well, let's say four, the four best horses that I've that I've since I've been

around following it were Secretariat, flight line, spectacular bid, and American Pharaoh. Damn, I got to see two of them at the breeder side. I feel fortunate. Yeah, I would put them in that in that order. Wow. And I know some people think it's it's heresy to say that flight line was better than American Pharaoh because American Pharaoh was obviously a really good horse. But I just think that the flight line was better. Yeah. And the beauty of horse racing, as you can say, like if Secretariat was in this Kentucky Derby, they would dust him, right? Secretariat would be Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, because Secretariat, when he won the Kentucky Derby, he had to beat a horse who would have won

the Triple Crown on any other year. Yeah, right. The horse's name was was sham. And to this day, sham has run the second fastest Kentucky Derby in history. That's crazy. Sham got a real raw deal. Yeah. Yeah, sham got an extremely raw deal. Yeah. That's remember sham. Best horses that nobody considers to be an all time great. That's tough, tough break. All right. Well, Randy, thank you as always. You are the best. We appreciate it. Good luck. Everyone tune in. See him on Friday and Saturday. And what maybe we'll we got to talk before the preakness. All right. Whenever guys love watching, keep it up. Thanks, Randy. Randy Moss was brought to you by our good friends at Duracell. This episode is brought to you by

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not to throw blame around, but I think a lot of it might be your fault. And your propaganda machine talking about how much I golf, because I just started golfing, you know, a couple years ago. But we put out our, we put out our. What are you doing tomorrow? Oh, no. Shout out to Yandel Sank. We put out our golf videos on YouTube now, me and Big Cat versus P15Arian. And the response is overwhelmingly negative. People were just roasting my golf game. I'm a little bit, you know, I think you have, I think your over exaggeration of how much I golf has created this narrative that people expected me to be better than I am. I guess I don't know. I think we talked about you golfing the exact

correct amount that you golf. Correct. Have we ever said that you're going golfing when you're not actually going golfing? So all right, so we filmed this video. We actually did two videos. So the other one's gonna be out on Macrodosing today at noon. So go check it out Macrodosing YouTube. So we played these two golf videos. What did you do after? Well, I had a flight because I had a. Right. So, oh, okay. Vacation. So what did you do before you got on your flight? Well, I had hours. I had a lot of time. Just answer the question. What did you do? I stuck around and you at the golf course. What did you do at the golf course? I mean, there's nothing else to do. I had to golf. And then when you flew to your vacation,

what did you do on your vacation? I hung out with my family and my niece and nephew. I never met before and spent quality family time and then one day went golf. Just one day? Well, one day with my brother. Okay. One day with my brother. So that counts as family time. And then the other day you played 36. No, 18. I put 36 the whole week. What I love is I get notifications every time Hank. This is bad. I've had to thought about blocking PFT. Let's check it out. How many rounds has he played? What I'll do is I'll just text Hank after he's done with his first. I'll be like, that's a tough triple bow. I want to be on this. I'm trying to get. No, no. This is like when Dave used to have my snapchat. I didn't realize it. I had to block him on there. Let's see. What

do I even find my friends on this? Okay, here we go. So what's the problem? You golf a lot. You have a 20.5 handicap. Is that good? I think that's decent. That's the thing. I don't think I'm not good at golf. The problem is that everyone is being really mean to me and saying how bad I am at golf when I have never myself said that I'm good. Okay. That is my that is my firefest. That is where this issue lies is people I think were expecting unfairly me to be really good at golf despite the fact that I have never said that I am. Can I throw out just a thought? Yes, just a thought. I need to golf more to get better. No, no, no, no, no. You watch a lot of golf videos online. I do like watching golf videos. I'm a big fan. Have you ever noticed that golf videos

every person in the comments says picks apart everyone's swing and says why they're better? Have you noticed that Max Houma is entire like for a year had a stick where he would roast people's swings? Has that registered at all that no matter what you look like on that course, people would say find something to pick you apart. That's that's a fair point. That's a fair counterpoint. That's fair. There's two things people like in life, golf and telling everyone else their golf swing sucks. That's like the two biggest golf hobbies out there. Okay, so it looks like Hank played on the 28th. He played on the 26. I took a big break off played on the 21st, played on the 19th, played on the 17th. These are nine holes though. Oh, and the 16th. Okay. How many holes though?

Then the seventh. Okay. And the six. Those were the yeah, it looks like you played 36 holes in San Diego. Okay. And then you played with us in Houston. So you've had a busy month nine, nine rounds in April. That's pretty good. It looks about right. Yeah. That's that's a decent amount of golf, I would say. I'd say most people aren't playing nine rounds in a month. Some of those are nine holes. That's really probably like six total whatever. All I know is I'm How many times the range? My vow and my promise to the AWLs is that I am going to put the work in so that I can live up to the expectations. But you do realize that's very big of you.

Even if you have this narrative that all I do is golf, I might as well golf all the time. Even if you, yep, you guys, good job guys. You've done it. You talked Hank into playing more golf. I hope you're happy with yourselves. You could shoot a 72 at Shinnecock like I did. And if it was on video, people would be like, wow, you suck. You know, wait, did you shoot a 72? No, but the score stands for itself. Right. I got that handicap down. It's all right. The narrative started now. You guys have created this monster and I'm just going to I'm going to live it. Do they kick you off the website if you put in fake scores? I don't know how that works. I'm going to become a scratch golfer by the end of the week.

Okay. PFT. All right. So my firefest of the week is something I'd forgotten about until just earlier today. It was a big future me thing. And things have been in limbo for a while as different things were being analyzed and okayed through higher ups. But I can say now, I am going to be going up in an F 18. Yes, next week. Next week. No, no, no, no, it's in like two weeks. It's in like two weeks. Yeah. But it's something that I really never had to actually think about doing until the final process was complete. So my physical came back. I'm built like a shit brick house. They're cool with it. The Navy's fine with it. Obviously. So I'm going up I'm going up in a Navy F 18. So I'm going to be hit the simulator pretty hard over the next

couple weeks and get my mind right get prepared for it. So in case something happens to the pilot, I can take over the six and land. Should we take another trip to the Empire stable? No, no, no, it's different. It's different. They were very clear. A fear of a crippling fear of heights is not an issue. If I had a fear of like, enclosed spaces, if I was claustrophobic, I actually I actually agree with that because the one time I went skydiving, you're so high up that it it's not like heights because it doesn't it doesn't seem real. I would like it's it's scarier when you're skydiving. It's less scary to be jumping out of the plane than it is to be like 300 feet off the ground. Yeah, I would shit myself if I went skydiving. I'm probably going to piss

myself in the F 18. Probably probably going to puke probably going to piss dogs, bro. The content will probably be funny watching me just get terrified up there. How is this for? It's during a NASCAR race in Poconos. Nice. And there's an air show going on that week. Yeah, so they're sending me up like out you know, these like Poconos. It sounds like such a cool place. Yeah, South Pacific, I thought. But if you if you go name, I actually had that same problem because it was like the cat skills and the Poconos kind of they're kind of same. It feels like the same thing, but they're not. Yeah. And then there's the Finger Lakes. Yeah. Urban Meyers got a house there. Yep. Yeah. Some races in the Finger Lakes. Yeah, I'm going to be I'm going to be terrified

basically nonstop for the next three weeks as I anticipate going up at this plane. You got this. But again, I'll just I will do some some ghost of Manhattan work and get back to work in the simulator because I've been I've been forgetting to do that. I'm losing some of my training. And yeah, I'm I'm like you're not actually flying the plane, right? You might they might they might let me fly. You never know if there's a Chinese weather balloon up there. If it flies, it dies. I'm sure that motherfucker down. Yep. I don't know if it's going to have missiles on it. I'll bring my own. I'll bring my own missile. Yeah, just right before just make sure that they have some missiles on it. All right, Max, you want to do a fire fest? What memes memes has a fire

fest? Oh, yeah, memes. Oh, no. Okay, memes. Memes doesn't want to be on camera. Uh oh. Don't say that. Oh, I will shit myself on the plane here. Oh, yeah, you text almost you text it. What do you mean? Almost you texted the group and then you never followed up. Yeah, it was a catastrophe. So get on the plane. Sit down. Take off. Yes, we know planes work. Immediate pain in my stomach. Okay. I was like, all right, gonna have to shit at some point. I'll just hold it. Isle or window? Isle. Okay. Two hours into the flight. You held it. Held it. Why? See, I thought I felt I can make it feel different. Immediate pain. Wait, you thought you could make it to just another toilet that's just as shitty?

Yeah, you want to make it to a land based toilet? Yeah, airport. Yeah, it boots on the ground. And I was sitting one seat away from first class. All right. So once once you wait first class, they get all their food so close. You can taste it. Immediate pain. I get paralyzed pretty much. I was like, this is about to all just come out. I run to the front of the plane. Oh, no, they're like, get out of here. Pretty much the lady had the cart. She was like, can't go here. Gotta go to the back. So I'm speed walking through the entire plane looking around. Hank's passed out in the middle of the aisle. Obviously. I make it to the back. I was just panicking. I was like, where's the

bathroom? She points right there. We go in. It's like a closet. It was just what's funny is like a lot of people like his memes have ever been on a plane before. And the reality is this is memes probably like fourth plane. Yeah. Yeah. And then I get done. I come out and there's just a massive line down the entire airplane. It was just brutal. So you should yourself before you got to the toilet. Yeah, a little bit came out and then I was just running through. Hank's passed out. It was just so funny. One kid smiled at me. I think he was AWOL. But like AWOL AWOL AWOL AWOL AWOL AWOL. Yeah. So wait. What would you do with the underwear? I threw it out. It's Captain America underwear. Oh, yeah. It's tough. You have great taste. Also, if you're watching YouTube, Max is wearing the

puke shirt today. Just a little fun fact. Max wears a puke shirt every day. Like it's crazy. I think I personally think Max needs to bring back the pants. Yeah. Max game. If it's really, you can't lose, you got to wear the pants. James Harden would. Yep. One quick note about the pass out. Obviously, I was passed out. I passed out every flight. And I think I've talked about this before how sometimes I sleep talk in snore. I know that people have told me that before, but no one ever tells me on a plane. And I was sitting next to this French kid. He was probably, I don't know, 1417 range. And when we were landing, I woke up and he was giving me a look like some shit went out when I was asleep. You popped a boner. Like he was like, you know,

he was giving me like just a look of like, and I like wanted to ask him. But I also was like, if you're not going to say something, I'm not going to ask you. You had a boner. Yeah. Either that or you just made your standard mouth noises. And yeah, or sleep talking. He's probably going to go back to France and be like Americans. They'll do this when you sleep. You had a boner next to a kid. 14 year old French kid. Anything could have happened. Yeah. I mean, their culture. Yeah, it's fine. Yeah. Actually, it was like, I would describe it like the last scene of inception when everyone wakes up and they're like looking at each other. That was me and this kid, like he was giving me a look. I was going to look. Well, you might have just started the

weird looks. No, you wake up. That's true. You could have just got woken up and you started giving him a weird look and he's like, what the fuck? Yeah. Okay. My five s also airport related. I was late to the airport. I was doing stuff on Wednesday. And so I was like, fuck it. I'm just going to drive, which I don't know why I thought that would make it faster or whatever. I was just going quickly. Park my car. I have no idea where it is. Never took a picture. Oh, at the airport. I just realized as we were talking about all the airport stuff that I have no idea where. Yeah, I always I text myself. If you look at my history text message with myself, it's just a series of letters and numbers from various times apart. I'm fucked. I'm so fucked. I like, I always take a

picture and I just didn't take a picture. You park in the I think I parked in that in a 24 hour lot and my I'm gonna have to pay like 500 bucks. I didn't do that. I didn't have enough time. And it was like, I was pulling in. I was like, I didn't have enough time to like, I was like, I think it's the wrong one, but I didn't have enough time to go find the right one. Right. You know what you do? You go back and you're like, I think I'm going to leave on someday. It's going to be egregious. If you go back to the airport, you just tell them that you think your car was stolen. And then using their cameras, they'll be like, no, it wasn't stolen. Here's exactly where it is. Yeah, they'll be able to tell you. Driving the airport is stupid, but it also is the best because

when you get off the plane, you're like, I don't have to try to find a taxi. Wait for a cab. Yeah. Yeah. And actually, it with the Uber price is actually pretty much the same price. But yeah, I'm not going to find my car. Yeah, maybe I'll just take an Uber home and just let them like, they'll get it back to me someday. I mean, my lease is up soon. So maybe I just never never go back. Yeah, just report it's stolen. You guys can go get it. It's somewhere at LaGuardia. Yeah, there should be a triple A service that does that. There's probably a chip in your car. Give them the key and just be like, go and just press the button somewhere in LaGuardia. Do you have an on-star or anything? No, none of that stuff.

It's tough. It's all right. It's fine. It's fine. All right. So we are obviously on the road. Obviously, you got to watch F1 on Sunday, route for Logan Sargent, route for Williams Racing. We are going to FaceTime. Jack McCarthy, who is no. Jack Maguire. Jack Maguire. Let me get Jack Mack. From the studio, he's going to do the lottery ball for us. He's in the office working Viva Hours. Did you see that you're allowed to bet on the actual draft lottery this year? You can bet on the ping pong balls. Hank, any hot tips? Bulls. I like that. That would be sick. I'm going spurs. All right. I got a screen record this too so that we can put it in the YouTube. Jack, all right. Perfect. Hank, have you ever gotten this?

No. All right. Numbers. 17. You didn't say it. 99. You paused. You paused. How can you know that this is coming every single show that we've ever recorded? I gave you the. No, you didn't. I gave you the time. Yeah. No, no, it was a time. It was a much bigger gap than usual. Jack, you get to guess two. Okay. What do you want? 73. 73 memes. One. One. Max. 20. All right. So what's your guess, Hank? Six. Hank, guess six. Okay. There we go. Keep it right on there. Yep. Oh, it looks like maybe a single digit. Nope. It is. 62. 62. Getting closer, Hank. All right. Thank you, Jack. We appreciate it. All right. See ya. You didn't want to win that one anyways. No. On the road.

Asterix. You wouldn't want to win that one. That would have been far better if you did. But you wouldn't have, because it's the lottery machine, so you'll never win it. What if I get 17 before you? What's the puku? Yeah, we've had this conversation before. Same as the Lakers. Sixers. Finals. I don't know which I'd rather have. Yeah. Well, you're not going to get one of them. Yeah. One of them actually could happen. Okay. See everyone Monday. We got an awesome interview with Michael Davies. He is executive producer of Jeopardy Masters. He also was the executive producer of Barstool Vantok. So we had some awesome flashback. What was your perspective

from the whole thing? And also he's got a British accent, so he's cool. Old friend. Yes. Love you guys. Hank, good luck golfing. Yeah. Animal fact, Hank has golfed more than any other animal on earth in the last month of the year.