Pardon My Take - Coach Rick Pitino In Studio, Duke Is Back To Being The Worst, Russ Wilson To The Steelers, Mac Jones Cut And More

Episode Date: March 11, 2024

Duke is back to being the worst after Jon Scheyer apologized to fans as they threw shit at UNC. We talk College Basketball regular season finale, Kentucky being dangerous, and white boys having their moment (00:00:00-00:23:12). NFL Free Agency has begun and Mac Jones has been sent to Florida. Russ Wilson signs with the Steelers and more (00:23:12-00:42:45). We talk some UFC 299 and who's back of the week (00:42:45-00:59:03). St John's Coach Rick Pitino joins the show to talk about his career, basketball philosophy, the stalker who has texted Big Cat for 7 years and whether or not we can keep making jokes (00:59:03-01:50:44). We finish up with some show schedule announcements on the upcoming 2 weeks and Hank's number 8 Patriot and his moment in the sun in the Dynasty documentary (01:50:44-02:07:25).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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A very big announcement. I think Duke is gonna be just fine because god damn it, those guys are so hateable and they're right back to where they were. John Sherry put on a hell of a performance after the game. Go and shake in people's hands in the student section. Apologize. Apologize.

I'm sorry that we lost to UNC and this is probably your senior night too. As! That has done better. As the other half of the camera crazies are throwing water and ice onto the floor J. Pellis probably probably throw an ice down to Cal Phil Powsky to help him ice his calf which was very inconsiderately run into by UNC player earlier in the game these guys are

perfect I'm so happy that they're exactly where they should be because I was nervous I was like coach K he He's done. John Shire. Nice guy. Don't really hate him. But just that scene choking on senior night against UNC those stupid fucking Cameron crazies that pretend that they're like the coolest best fan base in the world throwing shit at college players. I was I honestly think they should just not play with any fans anymore because J. Billis

I hope he backs us up either put those people in jail or don't let them in the stadium because that was disgusting They're all throwing shit John Shires apologizing, which is like such a coach K thing to do being like I'm so sorry we let you down on senior night and that fucking loser Kyle Phil Palski tripping people Hank night and that fucking loser Kyle Phil Palski tripping people Hank this should make you happy because you should get your Duke fandom back up because you are such a piece of shit. The pep the pep rally was tough too.

Oh, I missed the pep rally. Jared McCain was like singing. Oh. It was like a Texas A&M level pep rally. They're the worst. What do you think about the the tripping? Kyle Phil Palski.

He said it was unintentional and I think I have to believe him. Yeah, I mean, if you're playing a game full speed, things get slowed down. Also, he's coming off a severe leg injury. Yeah. And so who knows, maybe some nerve damage. I said right away, it was clearly something that happened where it's like he can't control his legs anymore.

I mean, we're lucky that he's walking. They should have arrested the UNC player for doing that. Yeah. Cal could he gotten so much worse hurt? Oh man, the UNC guys were just giving him shit. And then all these fucking losers see after the game where the UNC players were like taunting the Cameron crazies and then all the security staff from Duke came out onto the court, and they were trying to like push the UNC players off the court. That they should not have security. Those those the security guards should be arrested. I'm not a narc, but someone had pointed out that one of the people that put their hands on a UNC player

was actually like the assistant athletic director or like associate athletic director of facilities or some bullshit title that he probably knows someone and he's probably married to a Sheshevski or something. He was touching UNC players. We got a problem in America and it's it's the Duke Kam and crazies throwing stuff and athletic directors touching players. I we I don't know if we play Conference Championship week. Well the thing is Jay bill is back on to answer for this. You know what nuance is lost amongst this

generation big cat. So people probably won't even begin to understand what I'm saying. But if you're an employee of a school and you're putting your hands on people from another school you should be put in jail and the game is better without people that do that sort of thing so you can say all you want oh the athletic directors do a great job they contribute to the atmosphere of college basketball but the reality is they're not part of the game yeah the players are part of the game so answer for yourself you fucking loser college that basketball better when Duke is the villains, so I'm happy that I actually agree Yeah, so I'm happy. I'm happy for the tournament. I'm excited. Shut everyone up

Yeah, there was it was just a great scene and just UNC winning the the ACC outright on Duke's court just beautiful could have scripted it better I'm beginning to think that they they coached that sort of thing at Duke. Yeah. There's been- Shoking in these big games. Well that and the legs. Yeah.

Duke has a leg problem. Yeah. Grayson Allen just writes a call to Phil Palski. Phil Palski's perfect. He's just molded into just the fact that he wasn't actually injured. And we spent two weeks talking about storming courts and then he's tripping people.

God damn, They just I They just have such a great knack of just making these guys just so hateable It was also funny the way that the Cameron crazies were dressed up because I do think they believe it's their senior night, too Oh, yeah, so they go hard They go hard for that and they show they showed up in like wrestling costumes and then they were so sad Oh, Dorks in the game. They were fucking dorks. It reminded me of John Cena admonishing us while wearing the peacemaker costume. Yeah.

You had just a bunch of crying, sad Duke fans wearing giant like rubber golden gloves. It was perfect. And it's crazy it's happening in this year. Kyle Phil Palski just being so hated because this is the year where white ballers are back. We're having, I saw the meme yesterday, you know, from like a wine aisle at the liquor store that says exciting whites. Yeah, exciting. It was just underneath it said Dalton Connect,

Cormac Ryan, and Reed Shepard, exciting whites. That's what college basketball has this year. Yeah, Dalton Connect is so good. Drop 40. He lost. He lost, but he was so good. I think actually, Cal is getting ready to, Yeah, Don Kinect is so good. Drop 40. He lost. He lost, but he was so good. I think actually, Cal is getting ready to,

we have it wrong with the hot seat. His team's playing so well and Kentucky's so exciting. He might get like, can you get a job for the afterlife too? Because he has a job for life. Yeah, that's his contract, right? Right. He decides to off himself. Whenever he dies, that's when they move off.

But I think maybe. Just get a Ouija board and they can just ask Cal drop a play what about a I a I Jones made himself down in Texas like to live forever we just get an AI cow because he's that to Tucky is one of them probably the most exciting team I'll say exciting like not the best team they're the most exciting team because they don't really play a lot of defense but they can fucking every single guy can score Jim cloud a party upload them just upload them to the internet I think I think Kentucky can definitely outscore any team in into the play basketball which is important that's important because typically you want to you can't you can't win games and lose them at

the same time yeah I would score your But yeah, connect is fucking awesome. So fun to watch. But I'm beginning to think that I might be right about him. He might be able to get shoved around, especially on defense. He doesn't play a lot of defense. Yeah, they lost. They lost.

Yeah, and they don't really ask him to play defense either. They just say, go stand out there and try to get in the way of somebody that's driving at the basket, if you can, if it's not too much work. But it was a fun day of college basketball. We also had Dan Hurley. I love this storyline now that Dan Hurley, I think it's just, the crowds just want Dan

Hurley to fight him. They want to fight Dan Hurley and Dan Hurley just does not, he doesn't turn down any challenge. There was a clip of him just being like, yeah, come on down here and you'll get hurt to a Providence fan. Yeah, he did that again? Yeah. He did that last week. No, I know. That's what I'm saying.

It's a theme. And I, because I think the fans are like, we want to, we want to fight Dan Hurley and most, most coaches will just keep walking or if you're John Shire, you'll stop and apologize for something. But Dan Hurley just stands on the court after games. He's like, you want a piece? Come on down here. And I believe him every single time. Do you think it would make John Shire more hateable if he, if he did a press conference and he took responsibility for the fans throwing stuff on the court? If he was like, that's me. You know what? That's my problem.

And I need, I need to personally work on that. He probably did. Let me look. Sometimes if you take too much accountability for things, it makes you actually not accountable for anything at all. Yeah, he did. He did have a, there's a part of you that feels like you let them down talking about the Duke fan base. It was senior night. We probably got caught up in some of that stuff.

So yeah, he was, oh wait, oh yeah, here we go. I just wanted to connect with the students. They're amazing. I still needed to digest the film and take a step back. I just thought they came out and hit us first. Oh, so yeah, he was talking about just, you know, apologizing to them, shaking hands. Yeah, he probably will apologize for all of them. Jay Billis should.

That's true. Definitely. We also, I want to just throw a note out there. I, so right now we're at the point where we're obviously looking at the bubble. Some teams are fighting for their lives. Max, I know you are. You're fighting tooth and nail. I really want USC to make it into the tournament.

I've circled, they're so much fun to watch. They beat Arizona late on Saturday night. They flabbered them. They are fucking good now that they're fully healthy. And like, they're these weird teams. Indiana's another team where it's like Indiana, they're not good record wise. They probably won't get in, but they're fully healthy. And like, they're these weird teams. Indiana's another team where it's like Indiana, they're not good record wise. They probably won't get in,

but they're playing great basketball. And that's like, maybe we need to do like a secondary turn. I guess that is the NIT, but just have the secondary tournament just be like teams that are really hot. Teams no one wants to play tournament. Well, the problem is that the better teams from big schools, if they're peaking at the right time,

they don't make the NCAA tournament. they just turn down the NIT. They think they're above that. Yeah, but, uh, Brony tournament run would be funny. But Brony tournament run? Yeah, you see that dunk he had in front of LeBron? Who would have thought LeBron James would be at that game? Oh, LeBron James had a great moment too with Genie Boss. Did you see that clip?

No. There were two women, one on either side of LeBron. I don't know who the side of him was. Oh, yes, yes. And they both just started, are genie buses one of them But they start grabbing him and like leaning on them And then you can read LeBron's lips and what he says and he stops them from hugging him and he's like first of all Let me just say happy International Women's Day to both of love that and they just melt they work

Yeah, Savannah's watching that freaking out. Yeah, love that from him. It's exciting whites Savannah's watching that freaking out. Yeah, love that from him. Some exciting whites Max do you want to talk at all about the bubble because the bubble is is it's hot right now Indiana State losing was not good for the bubble. That was a great game And this is this is the time of year where I was I was telling the guys before him I just get caught up like today and it's obviously gambling related, but I watched Maybe an hour and a half of Boston University play Lehigh in a semi-final game I think both teams are under 500 and it was fucking electric because it was like a 20-point comeback and these games just every game matters

And every games fun Colgate was another one. I watch I watch way too much Patriot League today way too much Patriot Arch madness has been getting wild arch madness is awesome But yeah, like those random tournament games just like why am I watching Patriot Arch madness has been getting wild arch madness is awesome But yeah, like those random tournament games. You're just like why am I watching Patriot League? But Max bubble watch who do we need to lose? New Mexico losing yesterday was big we need Virginia to lose we need J.M. You to win. Yep, okay There are up six right now with two minutes left in the semi-finals The bubble sucks is my first time in my entire life I've been in the bubble. It does suck.

Nova didn't make it last year and they didn't make it in I think 2012. But other than that, it's like, I've never been on the bubble. I've never experienced this. It's so stressful. Every game it feels like a tournament game. I really don't like the matchup.

I mean, we'll beat DePaul. I mean, if we lose to Paul. No, you'll kill DePaul. Yeah, we'll beat DePaul and then Marquette. I really wish we like the matchup. I mean, we'll beat DePaul. I mean, if we lose to Paul. No, you'll kill DePaul. Yeah, we'll beat DePaul. And then Marquette, I really wish we were playing Creighton in the second round instead of Marquette. Marquette gives us trouble. Yeah, but no Colick is coming back.

No, Colick's coming back. Did they say that? I thought they were waiting for the tournament. If they wait for the tournament for him, that's huge. But I think he's coming back. OK. I feel like that they should wait, but. That would be great.

I would love for them to wait. They should. They should. Yeah, they should. Who cares about the Big East Tournament? You won the Big East Tournament last year. Yeah, who cares? You were the player of the tournament.

Just be healthy. We need a run in March. Don't worry about it. Wait, so where does Joe Lunardi have you right now? The last team in. Oh! The last one. Yes.

So you just need, yeah you you were in full on bubble math where you're like we need no crazy teams but that win tournaments that like a USC would would kind of fuck you yes Indiana Indiana would fuck me you know no surprise in the also has there's gonna be there's always like two or three yeah max you got it you are you have to be like the Grinch of any team out there that's thinking that they can make a run and get to the NCAA tournament and like USC, for example, like any team that has an outside chance, a puncture's chance of winning the conference, you just have to be there to get big shit on them.

This is also we're lasting in before Indiana State lost today. So I've seen that like, I've also seen that Indiana State Novel will be like kind of a toss up, but. Okay, so you're just bubble watch, baby. Yeah, bubble, it sucks. Yeah, I never do this. Do you feel like you're too good for the bubble? Yeah, definitely.

Yeah. You're 17 and 13, you lost that pen and Drexel. I know, that's the worst part of it. I pointed that out to Vance today. If we didn't just go winless in the big the big five we this wouldn't even be a question. You're not even yeah, you you're the worst team in your city Yeah, yeah, yeah, that includes a team that might be shaving points. Yeah, but that's a that's a that's wild So yeah, that is why they won today. That was the most obvious like we got a way We got a win one to get us

Look at the four games that they had for temple that they had circled as irregular betting patterns. And two of the four, they only hit on a 50% rate. So whatever the inside information was, that should actually just go to show you that for us, whenever we think we have an edge at something, even when you have a real edge, you only win 50% of the time. Dude, that was like, I mean,

it's basically if someone tweets that they're throwing games and everyone bets it, the line goes, I think it went UAB was like minus one and a half to seven. It was kind of like UFC on Saturday night, which we'll talk about, but there was like one tweet that was like Sean O'Malley's dealing with a rib injury. And then I got that tweeted and DM'd me like seven times like, dude, we all saw the tweet. This is not inside information. You guys are all talking about it. He probably doesn't even have a rib injury.

But yeah, as soon as it hits our eyes, we're the suckers. If information hits our eyes, everyone either knows or it's not real. Yeah. We're the late adopters. We're the last people to know. Akron, shout out Akron. Yeah, shout out Akron. That was wild.

Yeah. By the way, so Wisconsin lost to Purdue today. Zachy, he's senior day. He's finally, finally done. The bad news is Purdue's just got another one. I was, they have another one. They have a 7-2. His name is Wilbur. I thought you were talking about his like 10 year old brother. No, they got another one right out there to dunk on a Fisher price. 7 to Wilburg from Stockholm, Sweden Okay, they just build a manufacturing. That's just what they do, but I like that I like that there's that you have that continuity at certain colleges where you're like at Purdue

they're always gonna have a tall lanky dude and At Pittsburgh, they're gonna have a guy with a giant ass and a Duke They're gonna have a guy that tries to trip everyone. Yeah, and a coach said apologize. Yes I like I like having these like long term themes that I can associate with schools. Yes, but yeah it was a great finale to the college basketball regular season. We're now in the conference championship week.

I cannot wait. Four tickets punched. Four tickets punched. Morehead State, Drougwood, Drake and Stetson for the first time in school history. Yeah, love that, love that. So we, yeah we're starting to see the bracket. Bracketology is going also in the women's college basketball

we had one of the coolest brawls and ejections in the SEC championship where I think like how many how many how many women got ejected. I want to say six. Yeah it was awesome. Yeah it was great. The the the the big the big girl on South Carolina Cardoso that is a she's really really good. She's going to hit the buzzer beater in the last yeah. Yeah. Which was one of the worst defensive things I've ever seen. They just Tennessee was just like we're just not going to guard that person who has the ball. But Cardoso who's very good. That's that might be the start of the championship DVD. I know they're undefeated and they're the best team,

but her having everyone's back like that and just being like, here comes the train, get off the tracks. A couple funny things about that. One, when she ran her over, that was awesome. Awesome. Two, the referee just being like, I don't get paid enough to deal with this.

I'm not gonna interfere with this fight. And then three, the one girl's brother jumping over the scores table to come down onto the court to get himself in the fight and then seeing how big they were and being like no thanks never mind and then immediately gets arrested for it I was hoping is it fucked up but if you gave me truth serum I want to see like a malice at the palace in the WBA it would be cool I want to see it would be funnier you're gonna get some it would be a banner moment in the history of the

internet no matter what how it shook out? But can you imagine if like Cardoza went into the stands and beat the fuck out of a dude? It would be awesome. It would be so fun. It would be so sick Yeah, it was there was a moment where I think they had gotten it wrong on the broadcast But it was gonna be just an electric first round of the tournament where they were explaining it and they're like everyone Who's ejected is now not eligible to play in the first round. It turns out it was just everyone who was ejected for fighting. Yeah. But for a moment there it was like South Carolina is going to play their first round game with six players. Which they would have won anyway.

But it was I was like oh this would this is going to be incredible to watch. But yeah that was cool. South Carolina is undefeated. The Lady Cox doing some big things. Yeah and uh, Caitlin Clark breaks Steph Curry's record. Mm-hmm. So yeah we got and she also remade Kobe's pictures for the Big Ten tournament championship that was a little much. So I think. Tough Celebrity Big Ten championship. I think the way it worked was like there was a lady, I think she was a reporter in the locker room that asked her,

hey, will you do this? Oh, I understand how it happened. But if you're a Caitlin Clark, you gotta be smart and say, no. When I win the NCAA championship. Then I'll have the jacket ready to go. Because first of all, you can't remake that picture without that jacket.

Or at least a similar jacket. The jacket makes the picture. Yeah. That was a little much. But I like it still because Katelyn Clark gets people angry. No matter what she does, she gets people angry. She's great for the sport and she's great for sports discourse. Okay. I also think Kim Mulkey, the coach at LSU is great for discourse. She's great. Because no matter what she says afterwards, you're gonna be like, I can't believe she said that. Yeah, no, and she just uses, what was her quote?

Wait, how do you spell? Is it MUL? K-E-Y. She also gets dressed up like Cruella DeVille on Acid, which is always fun to watch. Yeah, she had a great quote after, what was it? to watch. Yeah, she had a great quote after what was it? Oh, she was just she was actually mad at her team for not like for the big ones not going after. I agree. Yeah, but you don't hear that off. You got big boy that was some little boy ass play. Yeah, Kim Molky said it. Yeah. So whatever. Yeah, she's she's she's something else too. Yeah, okay Can you imagine being a waiter at a restaurant and Kim Oakey comes to your table? I would just quit Yeah, it would just be like what holidays going on right now. I would just be like fuck this. I don't get paid enough Yeah, are you in a bachelorette party? What's going on? Yeah, why are you dressed like this? No, that's it She lives life like she's celebrating her own divorce party. Yeah a constantly. Yes all the time constantly

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Mac Jones traded to the Jaguars. Coming home. That was the saddest part of that shaft retreat. He's a devulgah. He's like, he played high school football in Jacksonville. Yeah, he's a devulgah. Going back to Jacksonville.

Is Trevor Lawrence gonna be looking over his shoulder? That'll be a narrative. Hey, how long were you in love with Mac Jones for? Probably like five games. It was never fully convinced. Can I guess what game it did it for you? The snow game. No, I thought it was the Chargers game. Remember that? Yeah, like the, there was a game in the first couple of weeks.

In the COVID, was it not? No, it wasn't the COVID. Two years ago. Yeah. Where it was like, I think he had like a 99 yard drive. And you guys were like, he's the, he's the next Tom Brady. Well, we went to the playoffs and it was like, all right, new quarterback. Pro Bowl. Playoff, Pro Bowl, Belichick. He'll figure it out. You remember that Monday night game where Belichick was like,

you're not gonna pass the ball at all? Yeah, that was great. It was a great game, yeah. So, are you ready to say he's not the guy? Yeah. I think you had already said it. We now have though, the 2021 draft in record record time might be the worst quarterback draft of all time because Trevor Lawrence now now.

So the guy, Mac Jones was drafted 15th, Trevor Lawrence first, Mac Jones is already his backup and like, I don't know if Mac Jones, how many more games is he going to play in the NFL? That's gotta be tough for the ego too. Cause they're the same age. They grew up, highly recruited, going to quarterback camps. It was always, you know, they were always in the NFL. That's gotta be tough for the ego too because they're the same age, they grew up, highly recruited, going to quarterback camps, it was always, you know, they were always in the conversation together.

Right. He got drafted starting quarterback and now he has to back up. Trevor Lawrence. That's gonna be very weird situation. Someone that he's known his entire life. Instantly, so yeah. In his own town.

Yeah. So Trevor Lawrence drafted first, Zach Wilson, who's the best of the class, but he also just took a step back. I'm gonna miss the Jets Patriots games where Zach Wilson, Mack Jones, just going back and forth playing tummy sticks. Yeah.

Seeing who can throw the saddest interception. Just suck it. Those were such great games. So yeah, Trevor Lawrence number one, Zach Wilson two, Trey Lance three, he's in witness protection the the second best quarterback in this draft class is Justin Fields who's drafted 11th who like his his trade value seems to be

plummeted by the second where it's like now the Bears might keep him uh and then Mac Jones 15 so there's there's five five quarterback strapped in the first 15 picks in that 2021 draft and four out of five of them just three years for in the fourth year will be on different teams. You know, we should do it. Let's redraft that draft class. Number one, Trevor Lawrence, I'm going to take Justin Fields. Yeah, I'd probably yeah, Trevor Lawrence. I'm gonna take Justin Fields. Yeah, I'd probably yeah Trevor Lawrence Number two I'll go Trevor number three Trey Lance. You never know I Think I think Trey Lance has been out of a job for long enough where you forget how bad he looked when he did play

Yeah, so now it's like think about the upside. Yeah, you know what actually my number one. I'm gonna change it I'm gonna go Jamar Chase Okay, that's good. Yeah, I chase number, Pneusul number two. That would that would be better. Yeah. Michael Parsons also was drafted 12th. So there were four of those terrible quarterbacks taken before Michael Parsons. Say something nice about Mac Jones. I'd rather have Mac Jones than Zach Wilson. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. I listen in the right system. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know Wilson in the right system. I don't know as a backup. I don't know. I think Matt Jones might have the worst, worst vibes vibes. Yeah. Worse than Zach Wilson's vibes. Zach Wilson. Remember like the chief's game. He wasn't supposed

to play last year and he came in and he tried his hardest. Yeah. Mac Jones, like all reports are that he's just been a pouty little bitch. The problem with Mac Jones also, he's got, Zach Wilson has a lot of bad tape that will fall him around but I don't think he has a single moment that's as bad as getting stiff armed against the Raiders. And the hurt ankle when he, he multifield. And if you actually had to say like who would you rather have you would I think you'd have to take Zach Wilson just from arm strength like you like

Throw everything else out. Yeah, like don't even talk about you know the guys whatever just like guy has a they both stink But one guy has a really strong arm the other guy doesn't but what about this? Matt Jones gives off better backup quarterback vibes I don't think so. I think Zach Wilson Don't the arm strength too much. He was a backup this year and he did a bad job But he like didn't he talk to the Jetson was like this is a shit show. He was a leaking information It's the backup quarterback We have tape of him as a backup quarterback being like not a good backup quarterback because he was just pouting and

Leaking stuff Zach Wilson was a backup quarterback and he was just pouting and leaking stuff. Zach Wilson was a backup quarterback and he should have even been playing and he's like, I'm gonna fucking try my hardest. I don't know. I don't think it's even close. But when I say I would take Matt Jones for the vibes, I'm saying that more along the lines of like

he's not as talented as Zach Wilson so he feels like a better backup quarterback to me. I think Matt Jones was like, he would actively like, oh, like he sees, you know, like a something loose in a chair that Trevor Lawrence is about to sit in. He's like, I'm gonna let him just sit there so he can break his leg. And I can get in.

Trevor leaves something behind, doesn't tell him that he left his wallet in the room. Like he sees Trevor's wife, he's like, oh yeah, you should have been with us last night. We were out to like 3 AM partying it up. What? I don't know. It's an interesting.

Doesn't that feel like that's kind of what the vibe is? Well, OK. He's anti-backup quarterback. Yeah. So they got. I think he needs to just go back to Tuscaloosa and just make a shitload of money being like member when I was awesome because he was awesome.

Yeah, he was very good. Can't take that away from him. They got a six round pick for him. Do you think that Zach Wilson's he's going to fetch a six rounder? No, they'll probably have to add a pick. The Jets will probably give one back. Yeah, they'll probably have to add a pick. But that's also because Zach Wilson has like he had to play the whole string out this year

and it was like really, you know, oh yeah, he really, really isn't good. Yeah. I just, yeah, I think I'd rather have Zach Wilson around as long as your mom's not there. Yeah, I was gonna say, as long as your mom's not there. What Trevor Lawrence's mom looked like. No, you mean Mac Jones.

Oh, Trevor Lawrence? Yeah. I don't know. Is she the type of lady that you would want Mac Jones around or not? Or Zach Wilson? I'm gonna guess no. Yeah, what you're saying, Zach Wilson. I don't know. Is she the type of lady that you would want Mac Jones around or not? Or Zach Wilson? I'm gonna guess no. Yeah, what you're saying, Zach Wilson.

Zach Wilson, yeah. Yeah. I don't think, yeah, Zach Wilson, I think I could be sold on Zach Wilson. Same. As a backup. As there's a project. Zach Wilson, here's the other thing.

Zach Wilson definitely has the, could win you a crazy game if he comes in and like because he's he's done it. He did it week one. Mac Jones doesn't have that. Like if we're watching week 15 and Trevor Lawrence goes down with a concussion in the first quarter, first quarter you're like they're fucked wherever Zach Wilson ends up. If that happens, you're like maybe I think Mac. He's a gunslinger. Mac Jones could come in and Preserver lead provided you were up by 20 points. Hand the ball off.

Hand the ball off. Yeah, he'll be good at kneeling. Zach Wilson, once every like four or five games is gonna be able to throw for like 270 yards. Exactly. Two touchdowns, two interceptions. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

And I do think that from everything that's been said about Zach Wilson, he's not the worst, he's learned, he was a bad teammate, but he's learned from his mistakes. And he remember he had that whole thing where he was still kind of blaming everyone. He's kind of learned from that. It felt like everyone started feeling bad for him and he had the whole, the whole story arc. Okay. You think Mac is going to benefit from a change of scenery though? No, we can, we can talk, we can talk about the, the Patriots dynasty documentary later,

but they really make Belichick seem like an asshole. Yeah I mean and I will say the only thing you could say in pro-Mac Joneses the Patriots did not set him up for success. That's a fact. Like you there's parts of this that he did not he was not put in the best position but still I don't I don't think it's like Mac Jones is about to be a multi-time pro bowler and they just, they fucked it up in someone else. Like, wouldn't you say Justin Fields has a better chance of like, having a really good second part of his career?

Absolutely, Matt Jones, I think he would benefit greatly if he just took on the Chase Daniel Mold, where he just kinda like, I don't think he's got that perfect. If he was just in a room and didn't say anything for the next 10 years and still got paid. Like Hank, you're not nervous at all that Mac Jones, like you're gonna be, you know, you traded him in division. You're not like, oh man, this is gonna suck

five years from now. I have that, like Mac Jones somehow is good. Not division. I mean, sorry, in conference. Like Justin Fields, I do have that in the back of my head that there's a world where he could end up being pretty good. No, I have zero fear. Yeah.

Okay, other news, Baker, $100 million contract, $50 million guaranteed, awesome story. Yep. Like the guy was basically, he won a playoff game for the Browns who had not been the playoffs in forever gets you know that falls apart goes to the Panthers gets cut from the Panthers he did ask for his cut his release goes to the Rams basically

like it's over for Baker plays decent enough down the stretch for the Rams that he gets a one-year four million dollar contract with the Bucks everyone has written them off and now he's getting a three year hundred million dollar fifty million guaranteed. I'm just happy for Baker. I'm very happy for him. I always thought he got a raw deal from the Browns. So it's good to see a guy that bets on himself hits on it. It's cool. I think he's a good fit for that team. You probably aren't in a position where you'd be able to draft a good quarterback anyways. Why bring in a new quarterback if you already got a guy that won a playoff game? Now it was against the Eagles who were basically the worst team in the NFL at the time, but

he still won a playoff game. So I'm very happy for Baker. Yeah, it felt like his career was teetering for a minute there and now he gets this money, which is also good because it wasn't that story like a few months ago that Baker basically got robbed of a lot of his money yeah which is crazy like one of his closest advisors so I'm like extra happy for Baker for this we also had Jerry Judy to the Browns mm-hmm which I'm I bet you he's gonna end up being good the Broncos are just getting rid of everybody yeah Judy used to be good I don't know what happened to him last year Russell Wilson's not Russell Wilson but Cortland Sutton still looked

pretty good at times last year. Jerry Judy did not. Oh, breaking moves, breaking moves. Breaking moves. Adam Schafter reports nine-time Pro Bowl QB and former Super Bowl champ Russell Wilson plans to sign with the Pittsburgh Steelers. This is perfect for a guy that loves bathrooms and loves toilets. You have the Pittsburgh bathroom? Big cat the Pittsburgh toilet which is just a toilet in any room. It can be in a kitchen. It's usually in the basement. It can be in a basement. I've also I've seen some that are in the kitchen. Yeah the basement is usually where like that's where the high class Pittsburgh's toilet. However many rooms he has that's how many toilets

he's gonna have in this house. Also huge for him. Black is a very slimming color. Yeah. So he might have just chosen that purely because of that simple fact. He would have looked very fat in a Giants uniform. The chunkiness and those silver pants make his ass look big. Yeah. Russell Wilson just released a statement in video form. Do you want to listen to his video live? I would love to. The Russ Wilson announcement, it says you're 13 grateful Steelers. Let's see what Russ has to say. Be careful. It's spicy. Oh, this was a smart play. Long, I'm of the law. Two, two. Long, man is putting into my mind. I don't think we can play this on YouTube or Rumble.

OK, it's just a bunch of. But he played Renegade. It's a bunch of terrible towels being waved around. He played Renegade. All right. That's awesome. That's it. OK, good job, Russell Wilson.

I'd say Russell Wilson gets it. This just went literally, this is how stupid my brain is. It went from what the fuck are the Steelers doing to that was genius. Yeah. Oh, if he, him and Mike Tomlin are not going to get along. I just want to call that right now. I think they'll get along for a little bit.

I don't know. And then Mike Tom know Mike Tom be like this guy's annoying because Mike Tomlin and Sean Payton are like Very similar in terms of like if he thought he was escaping having a hard-ass head coach By leaving the Broncos, but this is what we talked about because I I didn't he doesn't have the guaranteed starting job I would assume like he's gonna have to play for it. Every job. That's Tomlin. Every job is for competition. But that definitely I mean with Kenny and Mason Rudolf like he's gonna have to play for his job so it's not a guarantee that Russ is the starting quarterback. I love this for Pittsburgh. Get something to talk about here. Yeah. And I would love for Big Ben to get involved somehow being like I'll show you the ropes

because that's just a buddy cop film that I need to see. Big Ben and Russell Wilson. Just they don't have anything in common. Oh no, Big Ben is a born again Christian. Oh, okay, so that's a new man. They have that. They're gonna go to church together for sure. Yeah.

They're gonna worship together. They probably won't go to the bar together. Probably not. Probably not. Russell Wilson does love bathrooms though. Yeah, that's true. Russell Wilson, a Pittsburgh stealer. What? Crazy breaking moves crazy breaking moves. Thank you to look good in black and gold

Yeah, no, it's I'm saying like I do think that he probably that had to have at least 10% of the dove His decision-making was like which color do I look best in black? Yeah Like if I had to sign with the NFL team right now I'd probably sign with the Steelers just so that I don't look fat. Like that's, that's just as simple as it could get. And then Kevin Byer signed by the Bears, Max. Is he washed or the Eagles, was the Eagles defense so bad that we can't judge it? I don't know. You get cut from two teams in one year. I feel like that kind of tells you what a guy is. I like it just because the bears going into the draft like fill as many holes in free agency

that you then can take. Cause like they need, they needed safety. They need a wide, another wide receiver. They need some offensive line help. They need some defensive line help. If you can get a few of those in free agency, then the draft you're not like overextending yourself cause like we need to fill this hole. So you can actually

take best best player available. Yeah, Byrd was one of those guys that everyone thought would be a super big impact last year. Like he was still the best in the league. I don't think that's the case anymore. Yeah, but whatever, veteran. And like I said, you want to get to a spot where you can take best player available. I also want to just say something real quick. And this is not specifically this is not for any of those fucking sickos and perverts in Green Bay who are going viral on TikTok every time I say something like this. There's been a lot of freaking

out this week because like the Kale, it's basically sitting here for two months waiting for the draft. Everything's going to be said. Kale Williams is gonna be really good. He's gonna be really fucking good in the NFL. He's gonna be really good for the Bears. I feel that in my bones. I know that people will take this clip and in three years they'll shove it back in my face but I do not care.

I'll say it right now. Everyone just chill out. Kale Williams is getting drafted by the Bears and he's gonna be a franchise quarterback for the Bears. You just wanna get that out there. I've been feeling it all weekend because everyone's freaking out. And I do think that I'll be the first to put my hand up. I think as a fan base, we've probably

overrated Justin Fields a little bit. And you can see it by the fact that people aren't clamoring for a trade. I still think there's something there that he could be good. But there's a little hand wringing being like, it's this fear of what if he ends up being this incredible don't worry kail Williams is gonna be awesome so I think I think some of the fear with Justin Fields is the uncertainty and also the way that his contract is set to kick in verse signing like an established veteran like if you

get Kirk Cousins in your falcons you're like well we want to take a swing at winning now it's not as risky of a process, even though you're gonna pay him a fuckload of money. Right. It's not as risky as getting getting Justin in the door and saying, okay, we're gonna take a chance on him and see how he pans out. And then we can make a decision about the long term. And then given how many good quarterbacks apparently there are on this draft, I think a lot of teams are like, why, yeah, why are we going to pay him in one year when we can just draft a guy who we think is pretty good and pay that guy

no money for the next four years? But just everyone relax. Caleb is gonna be awesome. I really, really do feel it. And Hank's gonna be a little smirk and that's fine because I know that this will be clipped. That's fine. I feel it.

And in three years, I'll feel it even more. He's gonna be fucking sick. Everyone just chill out. This is the time when the draft specifically tries to fuck with people's heads and they pick everyone apart so much that you spend there like, I wish the draft was tomorrow. Just get it done with.

There's a lot of smoke screens out there. Yeah. I want some a lot of bad information to come out about Caleb Williams. Just to see if the bears are dumb enough to pass on them. No, they're not. They're not. They're not enough. No team would be dumb enough to pass on Caleb. And congrats Hank that you're going to get a new

quarterback. Yeah, that was that was the match. Jones trade was very I mean we all knew it but it's now official you're getting a new quarterback. You don't have to do any of the hand-reeing not that you were but you get a new quarterback. Jay Niels. That's who you want? Jay Niels, okay. That's going to be, yeah, we talked about this on Friday, but one of us is going to make the wrong choice.

Not me? I made the choice. Not you. That's great. Speaking of Kirk Cousins, did you see his grill? Yes. You got a grill last week? Yeah.

It's like all gold. He went to the dentist and it was a temporary grill that they put in to go along with like the Kurt Cobb change image that he has. I have a theory about it. Okay, much like Taylor Swift and attending that Jets games that when people Google Taylor Swift Jets, her private jet. Oh, yeah. I think Kurt Cousins got that grill. Yeah, so that people when they tried to look up the tasteless bland meat that he used to cook on his grill, like the unseasoned chicken on tin foil on his grill. It was steak. It was steak. It looked like

whatever the fuck that stingray is gonna give birth to. It looked like some bland ass seafood or something. But I think I think he did that so that people would see that grill instead of his food that he cooks. Yeah. Which is smart. Very smart. I think Kirk Cousins. It's the Disney Frozen say what you want about Kirk Cousins But the man plays like 20 dimensional chess whether it be with his contracts or as Google search results I also shout out Kirk Cousins because we made a lot a big fucking deal about Aaron Rodgers Achilles the all year and how he's back and he beat science. I saw Kirk Cousins, I think it was one of his son's birthdays,

he was at like a ropes course and he was 40 feet in the air like doing a Walenda across a rope. I was like, that Achilles is good to go. Yeah, he's set. Like and he's not making a big deal of it. Yeah. He's just good to go. Yeah, that's just good clean living. Yeah. That's what not not mainlining Iowa school will do for you.

So shadow Kirk cousins. Yeah, it looks like he might be the Falcons quarterback. We'll see. That's what everyone it's either Falcons or Vikings. Well, his wife is from Georgia. Yeah. So it's a done deal. And it also isn't it perfect. It's Falcons or Vikings. They're kind of like long lost. Yeah, the other side of the same. Like that's the the Morton Anderson kick.? It's Falcons or Vikings? They're kind of like long lost. The magic heroes. Yeah, the other side of the same... That's the Morton Anderson kick. Yeah. Was Falcons over Vikings. Now maybe Kirk Cousins. Okay, anything else before we get to who's back? UFC 299 was awesome. I don't know if anyone had to end their who's back.

It was also just great to see Dustin Poirier beat the fuck out of a French guy. That was just cool. Yeah, for me, I'm a casual, openly admit it. I watched the big fights, that's about it. The sound that the knee made. Yeah. Was it the nose or the mouth? Cheetos' nose. Sean O'Malley said afterwards,

like I felt something break in his face. The noise that it made. I listened to it like 20 times. It's disgusting and I couldn't look away. Sean O'Malley was insane how good he was against Cheeto Vera because I don't think I've seen that in a long time where you're watching a fight and Cheeto Vera, even in the first few rounds, he was flinching.

He was like, they could have stopped the fight and had Sean O'Malley give him two for flinching because Sean O'Malley was just coming from all different angles and so fast. But yeah, that sound, that was crazy. It's all, you should actually sample that sound and put it into a song. It's like the snare beat on a track. But so he is now going to move.

So you, you mean you? I should. Yeah, yeah. He should, he's gonna. I do not have the ability. He's gonna move up and wait. He said he'll fight anywhere. Which, I mean, he can't move down.

He's the skinniest person on planet Earth, but I think he's gonna move up 10 wait. He said he'll fight anywhere. Which, I mean, he can't move down. He's the skinniest person on Planet Earth, but I think he's gonna move up 10 pounds for his next fight. He was incredible. And it was a fun night. I wanted a few more knockouts, but yeah, the Dustin Poirier knockout, where he felt like it was, I also just love a guy like that.

He was, he kept on trying to guillotine, BSD. And after the first round, his corner was like, doing that every time you do that he gets on top of you and and literally 10 seconds in the second round he just went right back at it he's like nah that was a fucking guy right yeah yeah he's a he's a student of history yeah he had to try but yeah it was uh it was a good UFC night very fun saw saw the boys saw Dave front row, the T-man, President Trump coming around shaking hand. I think

he actually like, I texted with Dave right after because I saw it on Dave's face. I think President Trump like pulled Dave's arm out of his socket. He does. He text me back. He's like, I was absolutely manhandled. He does the aggressive handshake. It was the pull in. And I saw it. And then Dave sat down in his face. It was just pure pain. I was like, I think he just got manhandled. I think maybe my favorite Trump clip was at the Supreme Court Justice that he was swearing in. Yeah. And he was shaking their hand and

just like grab. He just alphas everyone. You have to be ready for that. If you're going to shake his hand, you have to. There was one guy. If I ever meet him, I'm going to put one of those fake gag buzzers on my hand. think you gotta pull first yeah like if I ever shook his hand I'd pull first and then hope maybe double pull because there was one there was one head of state that he had like a real good back and forth where the guy was pulling back and giving him a real but yeah he he just manhandles with his handshake it is just pure alpha actually I changed my mind what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna go completely limp and it's just pure alpha. Actually, I changed my mind. What I'm going to do is I'm going to go completely limp, and he's going to pull me, and I'm going to fall forward.

And then I'm just going to wear neck brace. Oh, yeah. Next, like, nine months. Yeah. And then Morgan and Morgan were having a call. I like that. Yeah. I like that.

But yeah, it was a good UFC night. Always fun. Big fight night was always the best. And I was battling with the time change and everything, just battling. Trying to, I had to have two ice creams late night just to try to stay awake. But I did.

As a man? As a man. I had two ice creams by myself on the couch. I actually ate two things of ice cream this weekend too. I was just like, there's only way out, one way I'm staying up ice cream. I did one at night. I left myself one for the main event.

I was like, just gotta stay, cause I wasn't at night. I left myself one for the main event. I was like, just got to stay. Because I wasn't thinking like, I got to stay up for the main event. I was like, got to stay up for that second ice cream. Also, Scottie Schaeffler is back big time. Yeah. He won. And it wasn't close.

Scottie learned how to putt. Good for the PGA. They needed someone big to win one of these. They did. But even he was a big name, obviously, because he's Scottie Schaeffler. But what is he, 60 to 1 before the tournament damn? No, I don't think so. There's no

That's probably a favor of plus 600. Yeah, six to one six to one. Yeah, pretty big pretty big one pretty big difference One of you's playing lefty, but he uh, he was a shitty putter until now and now we got a new putter You gotta figure it out and he's fucking dialed in. Yeah, yeah Okay, let's see who's back the week. Brought to you by your friends at Coors Light from day to day annoyances to the big stuff life throws your way. It's easy to get worked up. But there's a better way a chiller way turn that canceled concert into a parking lot dance party too cold for an ocean swim. Play volleyball and

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Kors-Lite.com slash take. Hank, you're who's back of the week. I had Scotty Schaeffler, but also Oppenheimer award season. Oppenheimer swept at the Oscars only movie I saw best movie I saw. Christopher Nolan won his first Oscar, which is surprising. And so did Robert Downey Jr. And no one got slapped. No one got slapped. And John Cena kind of made a mockery of people who can't afford clothes. It was a shame. I can't watch the Oscars anymore without a slap.

Somebody needs to get slapped every year. Yeah. I don't care who, I don't care how. Just have the most two volatile celebrities that you can find, drag them in there. Hope that some fireworks happen because it's such a letdown with no violence

at these awards. I know. You really need something crazy to happen. It's just, yeah, I need someone to talk shit about someone, otherwise what am I watching? They should have brought Aaron Rodgers out there during Jimmy Kimmel's monologue. That would have been great.

Give a live response to him. That would have been great. Yeah, like just have it be a debate. Yeah. That would have been awesome. Okay, what did you, did you think that that was the right that would have been awesome. Okay. What did you do? You think that that was the right winner for the Oscars? How many movies did you see? Just hop an hour. Okay. Same with me. You didn't see Barbie. Did not see Barbie. I

Did not either. I saw Barbie. It was great. Give us your review of Barbie max funny oh how It was it was entertaining and powering powering and funny you were empowered by it. Oh, funny how? It was entertaining. Empowering. Empowering and funny. You were empowered by it? Oh yeah. As a man?

For sure. I watched it by myself honestly. Oh. Okay. It was fun. It was fun. It was fun. It was fun movie. You watched it by yourself, it was fun. That's a good review.

So you think Barbie got robbed? Did it win anything? I don't know. Who knows, probably. They probably won something. Best song? Billy Eilish won. Best colors?

Best colors. No, they didn't get Best Woodrobe. Oh really? Did they get Best Soundtrack? I know Billy Eilish won, I don't know if that's Best Song or Best Soundtrack, if that's different awards. Yeah, Barbie won Best Soundtrack. Oh, okay, so then.

I saw that dog was there. Oh, wait, no. It was cool to see that dog in the audience. Oppenheimer got best score. Oppenheimer cleaned up. That's your Oscars recap. PFT, who's back? My who's back of the week is Princess Kate.

Yes. Princess Kate's back. Our long national nightmare is over. There's been some speculation about what Kate Middleton's been up to because she had like what, abdominal surgery? No, she had Brazilian butt lift. Well, that's what people are saying. That it might've been just giving her a little bit

of that pipa ass. And she's been out of public life. She got a BBL. That's what people were saying. We don't know what she had. Streets were talking. Well, she just came back with a rack. But anyways, she got abdominal surgery of some sort. and then she hasn't been seen for a very long time

So they put out a photo of her today the royal family did and it's her and her kids And then within about two hours the photo was taken down and the Associated Press said stop publishing this We've determined that it's fake. Oh, so and if you zoom in on her kids hands that's how you can tell so AI is not good enough yet to do hands. Whoa. They can do everything else but like if you look at some of those Taylor Swift pictures the hands are fucked up so you zoom in on her kids hands. She doesn't have six fingers? When she was kissing Andy Reid? No, no apparently that wasn't real. Oh, but they're making uh the kids are doing like these weird hand symbols maybe

Illuminati shit I don't know And then her daughter's first finger is way bigger than the other. So they determined that they had edited the picture and it had been done using AI or at least like advanced Photoshop. So the plot thickens. We don't know if she's still alive or not. I thought the biggest story of, well no, there was a picture of her in a car with her mother wearing sunglasses last week. Okay. That was the first one we saw. But the big story out of this is where the fuck does England get off having a different

Mother's Day? What? Today was Mother's Day in England. Like Queen Mother? No, that was the post was Happy Mother's Day. That was the post. That's weird. And everyone was like, it's Mother's Day in England today. don't get to we decide Mother's Day mother that's what we fought

a war about you don't fucking get to decide Mother's Day you don't get to do it a different Mother's Day also Mother's Day in March no Mother's Day should be like farther along in spring close to summer you get some nice little brunch all that shit yeah what the fuck is England doing with the Mother's Day it has some I'm March I bet you one of the it's conference championship week I bet you one of the Queens flipped it around because it was closer to her birthday. That's bullshit. That's what I think That was a big story to me. I was like there's and then everyone's like yes mother's day. I saw our friend troops

Did a happy mother's day to his mom. It's not mother's day It's not mother's day. It was International Women's Day on Sunday. You want to eat or on Saturday. You want to go back to back. Imagine having a Mother's Day when fucking Lehigh is coming back from 20 points. I was John Rostine joining us to show. Imagine having Mother's Day when when Eastern Tennessee State comes back and wins an overtime. No, it's way it's way too early for that. Mother's Day should be the fucking pink bats. Someone hits a home run, they cry. That's Mother's Day. Yep.

Yeah, I don't like that. Like Father's Day is the US Open. Yeah, right. Or right, yeah, right around that. But yeah, it should. How do you follow that up? How do you get caught to an AI? I don't know.

I don't know. But I'm looking. Oh, yeah. See, these kids' fingers. See the fingers? Also, their faces, immediately before I even that might be the in bread part though yeah it could be the in bread part but they were all doing this weird-ass like open mouth smile but yeah they're the kids fingers they're doing all fuck they tried to pull a fast one on us this I'm so glad that we don't have

a king and queen although it would kind of rock if it was like who would be our king probably the rock and Dolly Parton America's king and queen. Oh man, people are picking this apart Oh, yeah, and then you've got all the like super fans of the royal family telling people to back off and stop picking this apart It's like you pay you posted a fake picture you put on a fake mother's day You posted the fake picture on fake mother's day And they're a fake family that you pay taxes and just to have them live a cool life so they can be your little mascots. Yeah, she's BBL. That's what I'm going with. It was funny because I got onto this story like

maybe two weeks ago it hit my radar and it was and I searched it and it was just a bunch of women being like, you guys are so late to this story. We've been talking about Kate Middleton for two months. They were all over it. I was just like, shit, okay. All right, my who's back of the week is boxing. Boxing is back because Anthony Joshua

would knock the fuck out of Francis Nganu and that feels good for boxing. No, nothing against Francis Nganu. And by the way, he made the right choice. He made $20 million to get knocked out in the second round. But I am a boxing purist in the fact that I want boxers to always beat people who show up, whether it be a tiktoker or an actual fighter who's a really good fighter in Francis Naganu. Anyone who shows up into a boxing ring with no boxing training, I want them to lose every time. It's just good to be like boxers are different.

You know how you can- Hand speed. You can look at like super fast NFL players, be like they don't have track speed though. Yeah. You put them in an arena with like 100 meter dash specialist that'll get dusted. I do like seeing that too,

where it's like the sweet science prevails above all. Or even reverse a 100 meter yard debt, like you saying, Bolt's trying to catch a football. You're like, yeah, see, wouldn't work. Can't play with big boys. Yeah, I like that. So shout out Anthony Joshua for standing up for boxing. I also feel the same way about like closers and baseball.

It's like, if you put a closer in to pitch the third inning and just one inning, they couldn't do it. It's a different thing. Yeah, or you're the Tampa Bay Rays. Yeah. And you just do that every game. Or you're the Phillies in the World Series. Yeah.

And the Astros pitch a no-hitter against you. They did get no hits. Okay, Jake, your who's back. My who's back of the week is the Wild, as in the actual Wild hockey team. Yes, all this. They pulled off a crazy thing. They pulled their goalie in overtime and it paid off. Yeah. I've never seen that before. I like that. I like that. Just go for it. Yeah.

Playing four on three, it was great. But if it backfired that coach, she would have gotten some questions. I like it though. Now we're going to see different coaches like maybe emulate that and it's going to backfire so hard in somebody's face eventually. Yeah. It's a ballsy thing. If it works, you're a genius and if it doesn't work, then you're like the biggest dumbass on planet Earth. But the fact that it worked this time, I just love that you're gonna get some of the dumber coaches to try to implement it on their own without incorporating the correct strategy to using it.

It reminds me of when Peter Elthorpe blindfolded himself and sudden death, people were like, what are you doing? You're an idiot. And then it worked. Then it worked. it worked yeah then he's smart I was a big fan of this okay good who's back everyone let's get to our interview we have Rick Patino in studio like 45 minutes and yeah it was great we talked about everything we talked about the stalker told him that we've made some jokes and get into specifics of jokes because I don't feel feeling the room I don't

think that we wanted to just repeat the jokes we've made so so big cat and I had a little conversation before Rick came in and we came to the determination that probably be best to just try to do a normal good interview with him as opposed to having him become openly, instead of antagonizing him. Well, he was nice enough to come in and we're not gonna just do a bunch of jokes that go over his head and then make him look bad. But we did address that we've made those jokes

when we brought up the stalker. I feel like we did a very good job and I won't say that we're gonna never do the jokes again, but I did enjoy the fuck out of that interview like I wanted to come back on. You might have said that. No we've already said that. Yeah I think so that I think I saw I think it was in 2016 we said we'd never do the jokes again. Yeah it's been a while but no we at the end we asked if we had permission to do the joke. Yes so tune in. Tune in and make sure to listen to the end of that. Yeah. There were two or three times during the interview

where I was over here just biting my tongue. Yeah. And then I did one intentionally at the end just to fuck with you. That was not intentional. The one I asked the question I asked, yeah. I, there, again, there's, you could probably see it on tape. There's one time where I'm going to pass out

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now here's Rick Petino. Okay we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest. It is head coach of St. John's basketball. It is Rick Petino, legend of the game. Coach, first of all, thank you so much for making time for us. I know you got a busy schedule. Appreciate you stopping by. We got a million questions your career. You've been in basketball for so long. We're huge sports fans, but I wanted to start with St. John's in this season. You guys are on bubble watch right now. How does it feel? I mean, you have to be from your entire career being back even in the bubble.

You're like, this is great. I'm loving it. I would assume. Well, first, thanks for having me. This really helps my street cred in New York. Yeah, exactly. Okay. You know, being on the bubble,

I've had it so many different ways. Iona was, I was a nervous wreck this time of year because you go through, you win 25 regular season games. You go down to Lenox City, and if you don't win that tournament, you're done. So being on the bubble's great. We have two games remaining, which I think if we win, get us off the bubble, get us in the hunt.

And you wanna be playing, most important thing of anything is to be playing your best basketball come much. It's one thing to get into tournaments, another thing to play great at this time of year, and I'm hoping we are. Yeah, I noticed that your team's lateral quickness and agility has been much improved over the last two weeks.

Any idea maybe why that happened? You know, so that was premeditated. It wasn't a rant. I wanted my team to start to play better defense. I know what, how to motivate them. And immediately, they wanted to show me their lateral quickness. And what I tried to motivate them. And immediately they wanted to show me their lateral quickness. And what I tried to explain to them is in the NBA,

nobody can stop anyone. Celtic's had 80 points the other day and a half. So in order for us to stop anyone without lateral quickness, I mean, we're not Yokic, we're much better than that. And he's the best player in basketball, but it's gotta be a team stopping them. This is not the NBA where the offense is so awesome.

You can't stop anybody. We've got to rely on five guys in the gaps helping each other out to stop people. In the last two games we've gotten that. Yeah, so when you make those comments in the press, like you said, it was premeditated. Did your players know you were going to say that? It didn't bother them in the least.

It bothered other people, but it didn't bother. If someone, if that's the worst comment they can get there a little slow laterally or physically a little weak, that's the worst they ever hear in life. I mean, we gotta toughen up a little bit. Yeah. You know, this is, when my players leave me,

they're tough individuals. Yeah. They're able to handle adversity. They don't wilt when something bad happens. And it's incredible because you are a little bit of a relic of the past in that sense, where there's a lot of coaching, especially in sports now where it's maybe not

as tough on the kids, but I love it. And I would assume like when you're recruiting kids, when you're bringing kids in, they know what they're buying here, they know what they're getting into. Like Coach Patino's gonna coach you tough and make you a tough individual. Well, the first thing you do is every single morning I have four player development sessions that go 45 minutes.

So if you're coming to play for me every single day, you're going for 45 minutes and you're going hard to improve your game. When Donovan Mitchell came to me, he had a line drive shot and he wanted to come play for me because of those player development sessions. Then you have your weight training. Then you have your afternoon practice

and you have all these things go into the making of a really good basketball player. So some people may not want that, some people want that, but I'm up front with them right from the beginning. If you don't love the game as much as I love it, I eat, sleep, drink it. It's part of my blood system. And if you don't have that, go somewhere else.

I'm fine with that. Yeah, yeah. Have you had guys who have that, go somewhere else. I'm fine with that. Yeah, yeah. Have you had guys who have in your past, like they just not quit, but then like, hey, I can't do this, it's a little too tough for you? I've been lucky. I've had great transfers in before this portal stuff.

I had Mark Pope, the coach of BYU, Travis Ford, the coach of St. Louis. I've had some really great, Derek Anderson, who came in from Ohio State. Great transfers that have done remarkably well at Lowe David Padgett came from Kansas to me. So I've had great success with that. And I think the guys that can't play that way,

it's not because of a lack of effort, it just may not be their level of play. Right, Coach, can I just say, I'm a little bit disappointed in you today, because when we found out that you were coming in, I was very, very excited. And I was hoping you were gonna wear the white suit and we didn't get the white suit.

You're wearing the track suit. I knew this morning I was like, you know what Rick's gonna come in here, he's gonna be wearing a nice St. John's track suit and that's fine, but I really wanted the white suit. How do you determine when you break the white suit out? Well, it's a white out first. I wasn't gonna do it, obviously I'm 71

and I think that's a little past my prime as far as looking good. I think you pull it off. But I wanted to do it to relax my players. They thought it was the coolest thing. And when I came out, they would just say, we gotta win, we gotta win. And it got them, they needed to win this game.

Creighton's a very good basketball team. It got them to relax a little bit so it was worth it. Yeah, I just, I think that us as fans should know when the white suit is coming so we can adequately, adequately prepare for it. I would have definitely bet on you if I knew that the white suit has come out. St. John's Money line. Absolutely. But you know, the reason I know that you love basketball is you're probably the first person ever to move from Hawaii to Syracuse, New York. Yeah. It's got to be like a club of one of one. And you did it. You did to coach college basketball, obviously. Was there a small part of you that was like, Hawaii's gotta be like a club of one of one and you did it you did to coach college basketball

Obviously was there a small part of you that was like Hawaii's pretty good. I might just stay here for a while You know Jim Bayhiem actually it was my wedding night. He came in on my wedding night To recruit me. I was going on my honeymoon to go to Syracuse. He was just named head coach and I spent four hours with him and back then you didn't get, they didn't have a registers where you sign up and register, send some, you got envelopes. The Italians get envelopes filled with $100 bills. So I said to myself, if you go up and open up the envelopes, I'm gonna meet with this gentleman for an hour.

Four hours later, I took the Syracuse job. And I said, I've got great news. Instead of going to Hawaii on a honeymoon, you get to go to Syracuse and stay in Jim Beihime's home while I go to Cincinnati to recruit Louisuse and stay in Jim Beihime's home while I go to Cincinnati, you're a crude Louis oil. So a little bit different. Yeah, I mean, that shows you love it.

Like that's, that's what you're doing. You know, I really do. I absolutely eat, sleep and drink the game. I love the game. I love what, I love March Madness. I love the Big East tournament. I love everything about basketball because it's five guys getting together.

Even if you have your limitations, you can really help a team win. And basketball to me is the ultimate team game. And I just love the pageantry behind it. I love what happens in March Madness. If you said to me now, who do you think's gonna win? I can name you eight teams that legitimately could win this thing.

Yeah, and I mean, it's also a testament, like after the Louisville stuff, you didn't retire. Like you could have easily retired and, you know, been with your horses and had a great life. And you're like, no, I love basketball so much. I want to get back in the game. What's funny, because I got interviewed twice by two schools, mid majors during my two year hiatus. And then a week before Christmas, I got a call from a fellow who's a UMass graduate and he said, look coach, I spoke to Chris Wallace who was the general manager at the Grizzlies at the time and my GM with the Celtics.

Would you like to come to Ponderton Icos and coach? I said, what is that? Yeah. He said, it's in the Euro League, it's a famous program in Greece, the most famous, they've won five Euro League championships. I said, I've never been to Greece and I don't know anything about the Euro League. It's not for me. So I turned it down.

A week later, he called me back and said, look, you got 48 hours to decide. And my wife says, you got to go. I said, I'm going to go to Greece. She said, it was Christmas Eve. I had a flight of Emirates in Newark, catch a flight, coach Christmas night against Cheska in first place. I said, all right, pack up, let's go. Oh, you're packing, you're going, I'm not going to miss.

So I took off, my suitcase is not knowing anybody in Greece. Coach, we won that game against Cheska in first place that night. I had a wonderful two years, became the national coach for short stint. And I had a great time. It really, for me, being such a junkie, I learned a different brand of basketball.

It's like the Warriors on steroids with their movement and their passing. And it's a different form of offense than we used to. And I learned a lot. Age 65, I learned an awful lot. And that was great for me. So a question about that. So the first night you show up,

you don't know any of these guys, what'd you do in terms of coaching? Like what did you say to them? Well, Nick Kallaitis, he played for Billy Donovan. So he knew of me right away. And I said, look guys, you're gonna run your same offenses. We're gonna change some things defensively, but there'll be subtle changes.

Right now go out and play, but the one thing I wanna tell, I wanna see everybody play the hardest they can play so I can evaluate you. Yeah. And they won the game We had a great run. It was fun. I traveled to places that have never been From Barcelona to Madrid to Tel Aviv to Lithuania to Russia to Moscow St. Petersburg And just places that were just awesome to see for the first time. Yeah. Yeah, was there any culture shock at all going over there?

Or was it just basketball as basketball? It was a different brand of basketball. So I'm in Tel Aviv. We just lost to Maccabi. Close game. And my general manager books us on a commercial flight. Now, we don't fly first class at Pau. So we're waiting at the airport. We have a four o'clock flight back to Athens.

The game is 9.30. We finish to get to the airport at 12.30. James Gist and Nicolet has come up to me and said, coach, I was reading a book, he said, coach, let us buy you a beer. I said, is it open? He said, yeah, it stays open here. So we go to the bar, I said, I'll take any light beer.

And they said, what do you guys want? Double Jack and Cokes. I said, no wonder we're freaking losing. You guys double jack and coke. And they had a couple more and I went back to reading my book. Oh, that's funny. So the evolution of basketball, are there times when you look back,

cause you were someone who was early on, like the three point shot, you know, your team took a lot of threes, full court press. Is there part of you that watches the evolution of basketball? You're like, I was doing this 25 years ago. Like finally people have caught up. Like what's going on here? You know, the funny thing in 87, I took over a team that was dead last

place since the inception of the Big E's seven straight years. I knew from the meetings that Roli, Messamino, John Thompson, Big John, Louis Conaseca and one of the older coach, they were not gonna take threes. They were adamant against it. So I said, I'm gonna take 15 to 23s, lead the country in three point shooting, only Jerry Tarkinian and myself adopted it right away. Then we played the Russians in an exhibition game

and they took 28 threes. And we took 16 and I said, I gotta go higher. So we in Las Vegas led the country in three point shooting and got to a final four. Villanova, St. John's in Georgetown took about two threes per game in the first like five or seven. That's crazy. Then when I took over to Knicks, we became the Bombinos.

We just were bombing away. And now today obviously it's everybody's doing it. Everyone does it. Yeah. So there's gotta be a part of you that's like, I saw this before everyone kind of. Well, the Russians helped me. That night that we played them in an exhibition,

I realized that had to take the three. Yeah, three is worth more than two. It is kind of funny how long it took basketball to reach that conclusion. Yes, but you have to take good shots so you have a chance to offensive rebound. If you come down the court and take a quick three without a chance for an offensive rebound,

even if you're shooting 45%, it's not a high percentage shot. So you gotta make sure you create movement and your guys can offensive rebound the miss because they're gonna come off long. Yeah, what's the hardest part about teaching the press? Because we've always, I mean, I love when a team presses, especially in college, because you find very quickly that a lot of teams can't handle the press,

and it's like, well, they don't have the ball handlers for this, and it throws a wrinkle into everything, but in terms of teaching it, maybe I'm way off. I feel like a lot of coaches don't do it because they don't want to teach it, and they don't want to get their guys stamina-wise to a point where they can press a lot. Well, the second thing is just so correct.

Yeah. Stamina-wise, so we have three different presses based on how we score. So if we hit a three point shot, we're in a different press, back to a zone. Yup. If it's a dead ball, we're in a different press back to a switching man.

If we're in a two point shot, we're in a different press back to a man. So we base it on how we score. It takes a long time to learn, but it's worth it once you get it. Yeah, yeah. Why do you think that NBA teams don't press at all? NBA teams?

Yeah. It's 82 games, it's tough on their legs. You know, there was no such thing. I pressed with the Knicks. Yeah. And we averaged, at that time, no one's really breaking 100. We averaged 116.8 points per game.

We were third, Doug Moe's team at Denver outscored us. I think it was one of the team. really breaking 100. We averaged 116.8 points per game. We were third, Doug Moe's team at Denver outscored us. I think it was one of the team. And then by the time I came back to the Celtics, not one team was breaking 100. I was at a meeting with David Stern, UB Brown, Larry Brown, Pat Riley, Chuck Daly, and one other person to how to get scoring back in the game.

David Stern called the meeting and we really said there's only one way, not eight seconds in the back court, you gotta call fouls. Get them to the foul line, it's dead time. They'll, defense won't be as like, not to get Michael Jordan. It's changed and that's what we did.

And the game changed and now it's too much. 80 points and a half by the Celtics, too much. Is there any part of you, when you look at your career, you have the success at Kentucky, win a national title, and then you jump back to the NBA, is there any part of you that looks back to like, maybe I should have stayed at Kentucky because that was, it's Kentucky.

Or were you like, I had to take the chance, I had to, the Celtics, I had to jump there and NBA is the highest level of basketball in the world. Yeah. I think if it wasn't, I was offered about seven or eight pro jobs before the Celtics. Obviously, I was a Nick coach and that's a dream for me being a New Yorker. But if in hindsight, 2020, if I had to do it all over again, I probably never leave Kentucky. Yeah.

You know, Dick Vitale, every time I speak to him. If you were to stay at Kentucky, you'd have more wins than any cook. And you think back on that, but I learned a lot to coach the Boston Celtics, even if you didn't do a great job, it's just too much. You know, you got Red Awe back, you got Bill Russell on, Havlicek, Heinz, and so many greats.

It was worth the experience, but if I had to do it all over again, I had a choice to bring back time, I probably would have stayed at Kentucky. Did you ever think when you gave the press conference, the Larry Bird's not walking through that door, do you ever think that it would live on forever, how it has? Yes. It's like it gets brought up all the time.

I know, it's great. The only probably good thing I've ever done in Boston. It's just that press conference. But like when you said it, did you walk off, you're like, wow, that was, I nailed that press conference. I didn't know it 25 years later, they still be playing it. Yeah, it's a great club. Also, if you never left Kentucky,

you would never go to Louisville. Then you would never be the only coach to get to at different schools. But I know people will be like, oh, it's vacated, it's vacated. You still have the tattoo. Yeah, we don't count the tattoo. You didn't vacate your tattoo, right?

That's the greatest hypocrisy of all time. First of all time. First of all, what went on, it was, I've said it many, many times, is reprehensible behavior by a few people. So the NCAA came and said it was $5,600 in three years, period, for four times a year that they did the wrong thing. It had nothing to do with steroid use.

It had nothing to do with breaking rules to an advantage on the basketball court. We earned that championship You can't you can't take down a championship. You can't change history whether it's a War time peacetime you can't change history We won the national championship playing a great game against Michigan Peyton Seva Russ Smith Luke Luke Hank I'll go key. She hang a mantras Harold Shea Manon. They wanted Kevin Ware broke his leg Gwokie Jang, Mantrez, Harrow, Shea Manon, they won it, Kevin Ware broke his leg. They won the championship fair and square.

Nothing else could get in the way. And sooner or later the NCAA is gonna get smart and do two things, put that championship banner back and the second thing the Heisman people will do, give that Heisman trophy back to Reggie Bush. Yeah, agree. Johnny Manziel said he was gonna boycott the ceremony. I match.

I said I was not going to the Heisman anymore. I've never been. You know what? That is such a hypocrisy. First of all, there's probably half of those guys that won the Heisman Trophy that got paid amounts of money. He's not the only Heisman Trophy winner

that got some benefits for their families. So let's stop being, especially in this day and age when the players are now professionals, let's give the gentleman back what he deserves. Yeah, I agree. But no one from the NCAA called you and said, well, you have your tattoo removed. No, no, and if they did call me, I'd hang up on them.

Yeah. I, so in terms of all the players you've coached, who is the best player, natural best player you've coached? And then who's the player that you coached that got more out of his talent level? Like where it's like he worked so hard that he became a player that I never even expected. Patrick Ewing was the best player I've coached

and Paul Pierce was probably second. Oakley was the toughest guy I've ever coached. But Jamal Maschburn was the best college player I've ever coached. The greatest overachiever by far was Billy Donovan. Billy the Kid. I used to play basketball back then, I was still young and I would play Billy one-on-one and beat him 15-0,

15-0, 15-1. Two years later, it was all in his favor. And Billy, he became, he lost 30 pounds. He became someone I didn't even think about putting in the game when I first took over to became Billy the Kid, the fastest gun in the East. And carried us on his back to a final four. Yeah, and you must have, I mean, watching him,

I mean, this year is the first time that it feels like we have a chance of having maybe a back to back champion in Yukon, but watching him and what he did at Florida, that's gotta be one of the best feelings of a guy that you was under your wing. You know, one of my biggest disappointments with The Hall of Fame is the fact that he's not in it. Yeah.

Because one of the, you guys probably noticed better than me, I think there's only five or six programs that are one back-to-back. He's one of them. And the first year, he was picked, I think, eighth or ninth in the in the sec. Yeah. And he's had a great playing career, great coaching career. Now he's in the pros. If anybody deserves the Hall of Fame, it's Billy the Kid. Yeah, I'd agree with that. And you've coached

against some of the all time greats. I mean, the the big East rivalries throughout the years are just you think of the coaches. What's the one coach that you think of like you had the the toughest battles against the one that you knew? I would say the guy I've had the most respect for and I cringed having to play him was Dean Smith. I've coached against Frank McGuire, Dean Smith, some of the great old-time coaches, but Dean Smith was truly an innovator.

I coached against Bill Self for the first time at Iona and preparing for him and watching 10 tapes, I said that's a great basketball coach. I'll tell you what's surprising, when I was a Celtic coach, I used to go around in my days off and if I was in town, watch a college practice. And you'd be amazed at some of the guys you didn't know were great coaches. When people say about great coaches, you have to watch a practice to determine whether a coach is great, not just on the sidelines.

And for instance, I watch a Skip Prasa from Wake Forest. He who passed away, he ran a great practice, great practice. And you go around and you watch these guys and Bill Seltf and I watched 10 tapes. He's a great one. Yeah. A great one. Yeah. We're going to get back to Coach Bettino in a second.

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You could plan a Friday night party because you're gonna win most of your home games. Kentucky's something special, it really is. At Louisville, you had to work to get that special feeling to win that game. We started doing it at Louisville as well. But Kentucky Louisville was a great rivalry. We're trying to build some of the biggies.

Connecticut right now, we're all trying to get to that level of Connecticut and they've got it going. They have almost a perfect team. Yeah. Backups come in and they're just as good as they started for two years now. Do you think Danny Hurley,

cause we've had him on a bunch of times and we're big fans of him. Do you think he's kind of a throwback coach? Cause that's what we miss a little bit about college basketball. When you get the coach K or the Bayhime, some of these guys retire, college basketball is a lot about the coach

cause the players change, but the coaches and what they, the imprint they have on their university and the team, that's what fans keep coming back for. Do you see him as kind of a throwback? Well, I've known Danny since he's a young kid as a player. Right. And I know the Hurley family,

his friends with his dad, great family. Danny is a tremendous coach. There's things about Danny that bother me. The way he gets on referees, bother the hell out of me because it gets calls. But as far as my respect for his coaching ability, he's a great coach, great coach, offensively as well as defensively, preparation-wise.

He has all the answers. I'll tell you what else he does. He puts the pieces that fit into the puzzle together. He's got a backup center that's terrific. His players also get a lot better. Remember, he didn't win a Big East game in the month of February, I think it was. January or February, he didn't win a Big East game last year.

We played him in the first round at Iona. We were the only team to be up at half time. Played a perfect half, I remember that. And then everything fell apart. we played them in the first round at Iona, we were the only team to be up at halftime. Played a perfect half, I remember that. Yeah, and then everything fell apart. They interviewed you at halftime and I could tell, I was like, you're like, that was a perfect half, but we got a lot more to go.

Yeah, and they came out in the second half and just, they were a great team and they have a team this year just as good as last year. Yeah, and I suspect that if you were to ask other coaches around the league what they don't like about Rick Petino, they would probably say exactly what you said about Dana Hurley, which is you know how to work the refs. Actually, want to know something.

I don't even talk to the refs during the game. I about 15, 20 years ago, I got so upset at them that I said, I'm gonna leave up what I do during the game. Will you stop talking to him? Will you stop? You're getting paid to referee the game. Will you stop talking to him? Will you stop, you're getting paid to referee the game. Will you stop talking to that coach and concentrate on the game?

That's what I say to all the time during the game. I stay off them now. It's been a long time since I've had a technical foul. Was that a lesson that was learned the hard way? Probably, probably. I just, I think it takes you away from the strategy of the game. What plays next defensively, offensively.

I think if you're always worrying about the referee's call and trying to get the next call, I just don't get involved in that anymore. That's interesting. What would you say, how would you describe the Rick Petino basketball philosophy? Good question. Thank you.

Well, it's changed. It's changed. I spend a lot more time on offense today in creating ball movement and player movement than I ever did. So we're getting ready to play a game. And I would say back when I worked for UB Brown, 90% of that game walkthrough was defensively stopping the opposition. Today in a walkthrough, it's 50% getting ready to score against a defense as well as 50% stopping it. So just as much offense as defense today, which never was in the past.

Yeah, I guess I read something about your defensive coaching style in particular, your defensive coaching philosophy. This was in the New York Post a couple years ago. I don't know if you remember how they how they led the article about it, but it was you saying, your ass, your ass, your ass, hit them with your ass. So just playing like physical butt forward defense, just knocking people out of their way. Well, I also, I also termed it the mother-in-law defense, constant pressure and harassment. And, you know, so we just tried to take you

out of what you do well. And I think everybody tries to do that today. The scouting and the metrics that are used are so sophisticated today that you got to be on top of everything. You got to know that he's shooting within eight feet of that rim, he's shooting 87% from there, but 16 foot he goes down to 24%. So you got to know whether he's going dominant right dominant left, you got to know all the metrics of every single player What's the one thing that uh when guys get to your program that you think like youth basketball is kind of failing

Like the one thing you have to then reteach them or the fundamental that gets lost Like even bring up the ass like I think boxing out like finding a man sometimes gets lost in these big games I'll give you an example so It's been just until the last two weeks. I've been able to get my team to throw bounce passes. Oh, that's a good answer. I finally said to them, in a radius of six to eight feet, you are not allowed to throw chest passes. So if you're coming down the lane, there's no chest passes.

You must throw a bounce pass. And that's a Euro league philosophy. And it's made in the last two games we've had three turnovers and six turnovers from a team that was averaging 11. So it's made a huge difference, but it has taken so long because they've grown up without throwing a bounce pass. Yeah. Where in the Euro league, you may see per possession, three or four bounce passes, rapid fire bounce passes. And to get them to throw it on the break,

to get them to throw it in a six foot radius, eight foot radius, there's no passes. Now you can throw a lob up top, but you've got to throw a bounce pass. And it's made a huge difference in our basketball team. I like that. And boxing out, I always teach your forearm, you hold them off with your forearm,

and then you hit them. Because what happens is they push it in the back. If you're not ready, you're. Because what happens is they push you in the back. If you're not ready, you're trying to box out, they push you in the back, they never call that, hardly ever. So hit them with your forearm first and then move them back. Why do you think that they don't do bounce passes anymore? That seems like a much more difficult pass to the flag.

I don't think it's taught at the AAU level, which is a lot of basketball. I don't think it's taught. It just should be taught because it's a low, people are always trying to deflect the ball. They're always up here deflecting the ball. That's where your hands are. They don't deflect the bounce pass,

you know, and it has to be taught that way. It may seem simple and very elementary, but it's so important. Yeah. All right. Tough question. When you think back at your career, one win that you think back and you're like,

that's the win that pops to your heads. Like that was the biggest win. And then one loss that you just, that eats away at you forever. Okay. So second year, Georgetown at Providence, Tide ballgame, Providence makes a free throw, two free throws, they would down one to go up.

I don't call a timeout. I said to Billy, he could milk the clock. During earlier in the game, John Thompson is screaming at our bench. He's ranked fifth in the nation. I got a bunch of altar boys that can't play. And he's screaming and I said to my assistant, who's he yelling at?

He's a Providence College graduate by the way. He's screaming at you. So I go up and say, what's up, big John? What's up? You're the dirtiest MFs I've ever played in my life. And because this is Georgetown, you know, they were known as the toughest team in America. I start laughing.

He goes ballistic on me. Because I thought he was kidding. I walk away. And finally, you know, you got 13,000. Go back. And I go after him. And there I stood at his navel and started yelling back at him.

So he puts his arm around me after the game, puts me in a headlock and says, I'm so proud of you, what you do with my alma mater. But when you come to Georgetown, I'm gonna proud of you, what you do with my alma mater. But when you come to Georgetown, I'm gonna kick your ass. He beat us by 13. We beat St. John's opening round of Big East Tournament. He beat us 33 in his second round.

Oh, geez. So now we finally made the NCAA for the first time in seven years. We beat UAB on their home court in overtime. Then, no, excuse me, we beat them convincingly. We beat UAB on their home court in overtime. Then, excuse me, we beat them convincingly. Then we beat Austin Pee who upsets Illinois in overtime. Then we beat a great Alabama team with three NBA players on it,

shoot 68% for the game. And who do we have to face in Louisville, Kentucky, Georgetown. And the only team in the country my guys are afraid of. I said to them, you guys are the luckiest damn guys I've ever coached in my life. Who's the one team that's gonna take you lightly? Georgetown.

This won't even be a game, fellas. Won't even be a game, I guarantee it. Was never a game, we killed them. And I was just trying to get there. I was worried about them just blowing us out. And so that's the one game I truly treasured at Georgetown game in Louisville, Kentucky. One game I wish I had back was a game against Kentucky

where I told Francisco Garcia, whatever you do, don't leave the guy taking it out. It's coming back to him. And we were up, we're gonna win the game. I was our final for you. And he left the guy out of bounds. It was 2012? Yeah. No, 2012? Yeah.

Yeah. No, no, no. 2005. Okay, alright. 2005. That game, we had the game, we outplayed him and we left him. Whatever you do, don't come off the ball. Don't come off the ball.

We came off the ball and that I remember so well because all we had to do is stay on it. It's Louisville, Kentucky. That one sticks to you. So speaking of Kentucky, have you, you were obviously worried about St. John's, but have you seen Reed Shepard this year? Kentucky, you coached his dad. I coached Jeff Shepard. Yeah, that's pretty cool.

And know his, I know the mom very well because she was there playing, she was a great guard as well. He's tremendous. Yeah. Tremendous, he's a great shooter, great passer. He's extremely athletic. I don't know if you,

Yeah. For the glimpse of him blocking that shot in the corner, getting off his feet. He's got a shooter, great passer. He's extremely athletic. I don't know if you've got a glimpse of him blocking that shot in the corner, getting off his feet. He's got a big decision to make. He's probably a top eight pick in the draft. He's the closest thing to the Pat Riley days. He's the closest thing to a Rex Chapman for Kentucky. Does he stay? Does he leave?

Because they're two Kentucky people. I think I have the answer to that question, but I'll keep it to myself. Yeah, interesting. So you said that there were what, eight teams that you could see winning the championship? That's here. Who are those eight teams?

So without leaving anybody out, obviously Houston and Connecticut are two that stick out in your mind. I think Kentucky's interesting because they score so many points. Their offense is so great. Can they do that for six games without getting into a lockdown game with Virginia? Yeah, slow it down. Yeah. So can they do it? But they're very talented

on offense, as talented as anybody in the nation. Obviously Marquette is a great basketball team because they have a very unusual style of play and they can hurt you come tournament time if you're not ready for that style of play. I think Tennessee has the ability to win a national championship. Out West, I don't see anybody out West that can do it with the exception of Kansas. And I don't think this is one of Bill's great teams. So I question that. About Arizona.

I was gonna say Arizona. Arizona, Arizona is definitely a team. Has the right style of play. They're very fast up and down the court. Terrific basketball coach. But I think Connecticut, Houston, Marquette and the last the last one's the favorite who I think is going to win it. I said it in a tweet about it a month ago. I think Purdue is going to win it. Oh. Yeah. And I remember you guys are going to be a kick out of this because Tony Bennett

lost to the 16 seed, the first time a one seed's lost. He's one of the great guys in our business. Jay Wright, Tony Bennett, two of the greatest people as people. And I texted him, I said, Tony, I can tell you're gonna go to multiple final fours, you're gonna win a national championship.

I know you're down about this losing to a 16 seed following you won0 championship. Purdue last year lost to FD, Philly Dickinson. And I feel that it's their year. I think they're gonna win the national championship this year. Is that the formula now, losing to a 16 seed, set yourself up for the next one? That's what I'm saying.

Anybody who goes through that torture should win a national championship. What would be your defensive game plan against Purdue was Zac Eady? Well, prior to this, it was just Zach Eady and some good players. Yeah, the guards were young. Yeah. But now they've got all the answers.

Yeah. They're better defensively. He's a great coach. They're better defensively, better offensively. They have more weapons around him. So I think they could win it, Euston could win it, certainly. Tennessee has a really good basketball team. Arizona is terrific.

But this is a year that there's eight teams, nine teams that could win it. So you've been obviously to many final fours, one, two titles. What is it about coaching in March madness? Like, do you change your style when you get into that tournament setting and everything ratchets up and everyone's watching? I think you have to be a risk-taker. You

have to really get your offense to play faster. I think everybody gets a little tight because it's one game and you're out. I think you got to get your guys to play faster, you got to get your guys to not think about the score, you got to constantly try to push it on offense. So the thought process is not every time down the court, what are we gonna run? Do they know what play we're gonna run? If you say two up, it's going down low, trap below.

I wanna take away all the scouting. So I wanna play faster than we normally play. Yeah, Pete Kett asked a tough question about the greatest player that you've ever coached, all that stuff. What about the greatest play you've ever seen? It was my mistake by not putting a guy on the ball if I had to do it all over again.

But the mistake I made was when that pass went from Grand Hill to Christian Leitner and he turned around, I made one mistake. Everybody thinks it was not putting a guy on the ball because they did the same thing, Indiana did the same thing, I think it was Connecticut. They threw it up the sideline putting a guy on the ball because they did the same thing. Indiana did the same thing. I think it was Connecticut. They threw it up the sideline when a guy on the ball

and I think it was Kevin Olly, one of those players made the shot. Wasn't that input a guy on the ball? With T. George? Yes, T. George, yes. My mistake was I grabbed Felhouse and Pelfrey and said, whatever you do to have a missed a free throw, don't foul them.

I should have said knock the ball down because we sandwiched Christian Layton. And both players froze like this if you're, and they didn't even try to block the shot. So they were thinking don't foul. Don't foul. My mistake was I should have said sandwich him, knock the ball down, not when I put a guy in the ball

and that was my mistake in that game. So you wouldn't, if you could do it again, you wouldn't put a guy on the ball. Cause I always say you gotta have a guy on the ball just cause it makes it a little bit more difficult. I do now wouldn't put a guy on the ball. Cause I always say you gotta have a guy on the ball just cause it makes it a little bit more dangerous. I do now, I put a guy on the ball. I remember a game where they ran the baseline and the guy on the ball knocked the guy over

and you gotta be careful of that. But you can tell you guys not to do that. Yes, I would put the tallest guy on the ball and if I didn't put a guy on the ball, like Bobby Knight never would put a guy on the ball. If I sandwiched the guy, when we're knocking that ball down, we're stealing it. But I would definitely put a guy on the ball today. sandwiched the guy when we're knocking that ball down We're stealing it, but I would definitely put a guy in a ball today Yeah, I feel like that was the the greatest pass ever thrown in college basketball. Yeah, it's incredible

Yeah, it's it's a testament to your career that that is one of the most iconic March madness moments that you were on the wrong Side of and people don't really it's more about Christian Latiner and Duke than it is about ripetino in Kentucky I think it was a there was was a 102-101 ending or 103-102. I forgot the final score, overtime score. And we played the overtime without Jamal Maschberg. Yeah. And he was a key. And when we got back home, the Kentucky kids who never played, Pharma, Fellhaus, Pelfrey, Woods, he's not from Kentucky. And when we got back and the bus arrived at Rupp Arena,

they hung to jerseys to the rafters. Wow, that's nice. Yeah. But there was never any question in your mind that the ball was going to Christian Leightner on that play. No, we knew it was going to Christian Leightner. But I said to my two guys, it's going to Leightner. And what I thought would happen was, it would go to Leightner and he would pass it like this.

I didn't think he would turn around because we were going to sandwich him. But my guys, I grabbed him just at the end and I regretted it to this day. I said, whatever you do, don't foul him. And I wish I wouldn't think he would turn around because we were gonna sandwich him, but my guys, I grabbed him just at the end and I regretted to this day. I said, whatever you do, don't foul him. And I wish I wouldn't have said that. And it's gotta also losing to Coach K because he's kind of like smug.

That's gotta stick to have to shake his hand. You talked to your players in the line afterwards. I just wanna let you know that you played a great game. I'm proud of all you guys. I'm proud that we beat you today. It had to hurt a little extra, right? When he lost to Coach K. Just a little bit.

Well, interesting enough, either 20 or 25 years in 2013, who did we play in the Elite Eight to get to the final four? Yeah. Coach K. Yeah. To the day when Kevin Webb broke his leg. Yeah.

But it was Coach K. Okay. And the first time I mentioned it, in 20 or 25 years, was at halftime. Oh, wow. First time I mentioned that game. Yeah. So you wouldn't talk about it, you wouldn't think about it.

I didn't want to hear about it anymore, but at halftime there I told him a story and I said some things that, but not publication, but I said some things about playing Duke. Yeah, yeah. Which we would probably agree with. Appreciate it. Yeah, we appreciate it.

Because I was wondering if after that game he, Coach K, came knocked on your locker room door and asked for the opportunity to address your team. Yeah, we appreciate it. I was wondering if after that game, Coach K came knocked on your locker room door and asked for the opportunity to address your team. Yeah, Coach L. All right, I got the weirdest question in this interview. Maybe the weirdest question you're ever going to get. So bear with us here. So this show we've been doing for eight years.

We bust balls. We bust balls. We make fun of ourselves a lot. We have made some jokes at your expense. And you have a guardian angel. I don't know if it's a guardian angel. I don't know what it is. There's a random number that texts me

every time we make a joke at your expense and says, watch it, we're gonna end your career. Really? Yes. Pretends to be part of, yeah, might've been one of these guys. Might be one of these guys. Are you being serious?

I'm being dead serious, coach. I'll read you the text message. Last year at March Madness, they were like, meet us at this restaurant in Houston, and we're going to send this man to man. This has been happening since you were at Louisville. So this has been happening. I remember it.

The first time ever was I made a joke. And I mean, you've heard all the jokes. But we've, like I said, we bust balls about everyone on this show But we made a couple jokes about you know you're ending at Louisville Maybe some trials and stuff But the the joke was made when you weren't game day and I got a text right after being like Watch what you're doing like I'm close with Coach Petino you better be careful And it's been happening every single time

for the last like seven or eight years. At first I thought it was your son, and then I was like, no, I can't be a son. That'd be crazy. This was the last one he said, you and your sidekick wanna get puffed up and take shots at Coach Petino now that you moved away from New York City.

We're coming to Chicago for the DePaul game in two weeks. So we're gonna come have a few words with you two. I've warned you before about taking unfair shots of coach and you don't learn, we're gonna finally get this settled. Real text message. How crazy is that? Well, how did they get your number? I don't know.

And it's always an untraceable number. So I don't know if it's like, you know. Well, I can assure you it's no member of the Petino clan. I was hoping you'd be like, yeah, it was me all along. I'm the one who's listening to the podcast. To tell you the truth, look, I have no problem with people making fun of me or, you know, I hate politics for a reason.

I watch them the way they talk about each other. So I want no part of that, but this is entertainment. It's entertainment. And when you're a coach and you're walking off the court and you're listening to what the student body is saying about you and it's a Catholic school, and you say, you just gotta put your head down and just walk out.

So, I don't have any problem with that at all. It's part of the journey. I've had more compliments than I deserve in my life. So you gotta take the good of the journey. I've had more compliments than I deserve in my life So you got to take the good with the bad and certainly laughter is the best form agree for anything This is entertainment laughter is great. I'm in this business That's seven going to be 72 because I laugh a lot with my players When the laughter goes I said it earlier in the year at that press conference I'm not enjoying this and I said it not as far as the team

I'm not enjoying what goes on right now in college basketball because it's you know I took Peyton Seva, Russ Smith or Donovan Mitchell, Terry Rogier And we nurtured them through to become really good mastermind got into his junior year Francisco Garcia. It's about growing. I May be looking at three guys returning next year and I gotta bring in 10, they all become pre-agents. And we're sitting around at meetings and what I really don't like about where I'm at right now is we're sitting around meeting and saying,

I'm hearing this guy from North Carolina may be available, this guy from Duke Cincinnati, this guy from Wisconsin may leave, this guy from Ohio State. And to me, I was at Iona and the entire league was poached Yeah, the entirely every good player in the Mac was poached by another school and for someone growing up whose love college basketball It's just not something I like. I think Jay Reich got out of it because of that and he's Not only a tremendous coach but tremendous person and that's the and there's no correctable solution

Yeah, unless they become employees where we can sign them to contracts for two, three years. You know, I don't blame a kid to put his name in a hat. He's making, say, six figures and he can make high six figures, why not? We would all do that if we could. You know, you guys are great at what you do. And all of a sudden, if you put your name out there

and in the media world and you could quadruple your pay, you would do it as well, you all have families. So it's something I'm not used to, something I don't like and it's not enjoyable. Yeah, so to put a bow on it, you can call off the hit on the stalker. Yeah, whoever's talking to me. I think you're safe.

Okay, and listen, we do make jokes, so we wanted to come clean with that and we have made jokes, but we make jokes about ourselves just as much. It's okay, I don't know who it is. And I think that sometimes, look, you guys got a great, Boston has stood the test of time here.

Yeah. And this is my first time being here. And obviously people know that you would take a hit on me and they would say something, boss, that's okay. You know, it's okay. Not that I'm thick skinned, it's just, I know how to laugh. Yeah, I appreciate that. And I mean, we always feel bad when we have someone come in

who we've wanted to interview you for a very long time. It's like, we have to be at least honest that we've made these jokes and there's someone who wants to have me killed. But yeah, that's okay. I think you're safe there. Listen, when you get into the patino business, you might get killed here. This guy just coming after me.

I mean, credit to us. You told the story about... You're big enough to handle yourself. Listen, I just want to also say I'll get this out on the open. My wife bought me a shirt. It says, not Italian, but supportive because my children are Italian. They're a quarter Italian. She's half Italian, so I'm not Italian, but I'm supportive. You're okay. Respect, you know. Also, when you told the story about Jim

Bayhime on your wedding night, we didn't make any jokes at all. Yeah. At that point. Yeah. And I had to bite my lip, but I did it. I respect for you, coach. But you are what I love about college basketball. I love tough coaches. I love old school coaches. Like that's what I was saying when Dan Hurley, like I'm drawn to that because it's like, I miss that. I want, you know, like when you were in the big East in the 80s and all those coaches were characters and there were people and like something about that is just so great.

You know, I'll tell you a final story, which is interesting because whenever anybody have a question in my integrity in the game, I say, look, don't listen to me. If I say I didn't do it, I didn't know it. Don't listen to me. Talk to my players. Yeah. Just don't, don't, look, don't listen to me. If I say I didn't do it, I didn't know it. Don't listen to me. Talk to my players. Yeah.

Don't interview me, don't interview antagonists. Talk to my players. So the greatest, one of the great things that's happened to me when I was getting ready to be in front of this, not a trial, this group of lawyers and people to be exonerated by the NCAA. We got letters from every player I coached at Louisville. And I said, just write the letters

and just tell them exactly what I'm about. Good, bad, or indifferent. Just say whatever you wanna say. And when I got the letters after the trial was over and read them, it made me cry. Because all of them said the toughness and the love that he's shown us made us go out there and we can handle anything. And it just, the guys I was hottest on said the most glowing things.

You probably notice when you look back on your academic career, the teachers you loved the most were the ones that made you work the hottest. And that's what we as coaches do. We are trying to get the most out of them so they can go on in life, whether it's basketball. I mean, most of my guys now at St. John's aren't gonna play in the NBA. They're gonna go to Europe and you gotta be tough.

You're gonna get a Serbian coach who's running four hour practices and if you don't play three straight games, they cut you from the team, they send you home, and they say, take us to Feeble Court, we're not paying you. And that's what happens over there. So I think my players are ready for those experiences

and they're ready to go out there and perform. Yeah, I love that. It's good preparation for it. Yeah. I had one more question about some of your players. So you mentioned Russ, and I remember reading an article, I think it was in Sports Illustrated back in the day, that you named a horse after Russ.

Rusticulus. Rusticulus. That was my nickname of him. Because you loved him so much as a player, you named a horse. Do you have any horses now that are named after players? The ones I, Rusticulus, started out, I think, at Belmont Park and ended up in Montana. So he wasn't doing well.

I named another horse Gwauke, and I think he was a turf paradise in Phoenix. So I have a great horse story. So I had a horse that I sold as a two year old for $15 million. Wow. Two year old champion called AP Valentine. We bought him on his birthday, it was Valentine's Day.

My four partners, there were five of us. Obviously Lane's End had 10% they stayed in on the horse. We bought it for 450,000. I think there were five of us. Chris Sullivan from Outback Steakhouse, the founder of Outback Steakhouse, owned 20%. He bought a lot in Pebble Beach. He put up 200,000 and made 3 million. Another guy bought a Park Avenue apartment for his 3 million. Another guy bought a beautiful home in Nantucket. What I did was I'm much more savvy business wise than those guys.

I said I'm gonna put it in a limited partnership and I'm gonna just buy horses. For the next 10 to 15 years, I'm gonna either run it up to 10 million or go broke. I'm okay. It's found money. So, but I have 10 years to spend this 3 million. Two years later, I was broke. I went over my next 18 horses.

So that industry, I can tell you guys, if you want to buy a piece of a horse by 2%, it's just as much fun as 100%. Yeah, I love it though. What's your favorite track? Saratoga. Yep, incredible. Yep, and I like Del Mar because the post time is two o'clock.

And if you want to do some things in the morning, you can do, but by far Saratoga is the best in horse racing. What about Keeneland? Would you go to Keeneland when you were in Kentucky? Yeah, I did go to Keeneland. I went to Keeneland when they weren't announcing the races. Oh, wow. You could just watch.

There was no announcer where the horse was going. They, that was a tradition. You watch the race, you didn't, you will follow the numbers are all the same, same color. And then they started announcing a few years later. Wow. All right. I have one last question. This has been unbelievable coach.

We really appreciate you coming by and we'd love to have you back on anytime. Roeback question, RHOBACK.com, promo code take, 20% off your first purchase, Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, roeback.com, promo code take. How many more years do you think you're gonna coach? Well, as I said earlier, I always said this, I'm gonna coach until I'm not having fun.

And I did make a statement, I wasn't having fun. But it has nothing to do with what's being played on the court between the lines. It's been a tough year, really tough year, being part of this, what's happening in college basketball. And so I've got to get my mind right with this. And I'm very lucky. I have some boosters that are willing to step up.

I wish it wasn't this way anymore, but it is this way and I got to live with it. This free agency every single year now, just a year ago, I was told that if you get a transfer, he can't transfer again. So I said, okay, let's go after transfers. So we have them and we could build them and nurture them and make them good basketball players.

Now, all of a sudden that's out. Midway through this year, that's out. There's gonna come a time where someone's gonna transfer in December and he's gonna be able to play right away because he's gonna take it to court. So I don't like it, but I have to live with it. So I'm in good shape mentally but I have to live with it. So I'm in good shape mentally and physically.

I love the game. I think I'm gonna coach as long as I can be happy. I don't think it's a matter of age, just be happy. Now I don't wanna do what President Biden's doing. At his age, I think he should just enjoy life a little bit, but I don't know why he's doing it. Yeah, his dogs, his dogs aren't even gonna get a lot of stress. A lot of you.

Until you're a leader in a free world. Until your players start like biting 31 secret service agents. That's when you know it's time to get out. No question. Uh-oh, last, last question. What's Rick Petino's favorite Italian restaurant? Like you go, what are you ordering? Well, I love pasta, but I don't eat that much of it.

Absolutely love it. So I'd say my go-to meal is either assobuco or chicken palm. I'm gonna order one of those too. But I could eat pasta every day of my life, but I don't because obviously I wanna be able to get into that white jacket. Yeah, yeah, that's true. It's important, it's important for sure.

Well, Coach, thank you so much. Best of luck, rest of the year. Hopefully we're watching you in the tournament. We've got to win a couple of games here, but hopefully we're watching you in the tournament. And like I said, anytime you want to come back on, we'd love to have you back on. I also, we're going to retire Rick Petino jokes

because you were so gracious to come in. So that's, unless theplay tells us to vacate. I just want us to you want us to retire. We don't have to retire. If you want to retire him, you do. But I appreciate you having me on. OK. All right.

I think you I think you want us to do more. Yeah. Oh, OK. Yeah. No, your team is saying more jokes. No, no more jokes. No more jokes. Yeah.

Yeah. Breaking balls is friendship. Right. Exactly. All right. We'll find out who's stalking me. It would have been great if you were right, yeah, breaking balls is friendship. Right, exactly. All right, we'll find out who's stalking me. I don't know. It would have been great if you were like, yeah, that was me.

I've been texting you for eight years. If I would. I'd like to have you cell number. Yeah, yeah, that'd be great. All right, well, thanks so much. Thanks for having me, guys. Thanks, coach. Rick Petino was brought to you by 3G.

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TBD on the start time, we're probably going to look at the schedule and see what time games are going to be so we can sync them up. But somewhere around 5 to 6 o'clock central time, we will begin our journey into eating pancakes for a reminder for everyone. Memes has to eat 24. It's the same challenge that everyone's

been doing for the fantasy football challenge where it's Hours and pancakes. So if we're in there for seven hours memes would have to eat 17 pancakes so memes has to eat 24 max has to eat 18 PFT 12 Jake Three myself six Hank zero Hank want dude. this kind of makes up for the whole stand-up comedy yeah like this is gonna be pain it's gonna be really tough 12 pancakes God you actually only have to eat like six I'm so excited pancakes

one of my favorite things in the entire world eating 12 pancakes sounds awesome so it's gonna pretty much be a memes in max we're gonna put them in the corner and just have a pancake watcher and memes already told me that he's gonna eat them hamburger style So he's gonna put how do you eat a pancake put a bunch of them and just go like this out? Which I think he thinks that that makes it faster, but it's you're still eating a lot of pancakes I think the trick is to cut it up into as small bites as possible and then just eat a million bites Yeah, so we'll have fun watching memes try to eat them, but we're also gonna watch college basketball and I think Nova's playing, so there'll be a good stream.

We also have a stream on Thursday on all of our channels at Chili's, which the scheduled gods have helped us out. I'm gonna have to suffer through some more Wisconsin basketball, which I am, this team's gonna be in the tournament and I just, I even had the thought today today like what if they just get hot from three because they just haven't been able to hit a three for the last four weeks. And that's a dangerous thought

because I don't want to be sucked in at all. They're not good and but I will I will be streaming that game from a chili. So tune into that. We'll also be streaming from the gambling cave all Friday, Saturday, Sunday. But that's specifically from our stream. We also had on Saturday, we had Shane Gillis and Andrew Santino come to the office. We're able to interview each separately. So we've got two awesome interviews coming. People are going to want them right away. Scheduling is weird because obviously we have March Madness next week. So we're going to have Ross, Dean, Titus, Stanford, Steve. So we're gonna have the Santino interview on this Friday,

and then our Shane Gillis interview is gonna come Monday after the first round of March Madness. Both great interviews, awesome dudes, we love both of them. So I know people are gonna want them right away. If it were not for March Madness, we would put them out right away, but because we have March Madness, and listen, this actually might be the only time in the schedule,

and in probably Shane's life, that John Rostin will bump him. That's true. Yeah. But they were great. Shane's a great dude, and he watched some college basketball with us. Yeah, you can watch that clip. If you go to the PMTV page on YouTube or Rumble, or wherever you want to watch your videos, it's Max watching the Villanova game and Shane just getting to observe how we treat Max.

And just Max in general, Max in the wild. That sucked. And he knows, he said to us that when he first moved to Austin, he would just be watching, I think he watched the you and Steven Chey stream and he was like, just so I could feel like I had some friends. So he's, yeah, both those guys, great dudes, they made time out of their Saturday to come in. So those interviews are coming up. I know people want us to hear them because they were great interviews and they're great dudes. So there's the schedule. So everyone knows. Great. Just two weeks coming up. We're just going to be living in the gambling cave and just living it up and just dying with every game. So I'm very excited. Hank. Dan.

Hollywood Hank. Yeah. That was the most outrageous no-sell. I was so proud of you though. When he was like, I might be in it. You were in it. You were in it. There was like a solid three minutes of documentary time that was about the Brady Four. And I was I was just grinning ear to ear. I was like, my boy, he made something of himself. It's it's great because it really is. You can't tell the story of the Patriots without Henry Lockwood. Yeah, you are. You are an integral part of that dynasty. You might go in the hall thing. When you were getting arrested at the NFL office. Did you ever think arrested at the NFL office,

did you ever think that it was gonna be this big? No, because we didn't think we were gonna have to stay overnight. Yeah, that's what made it big. Up until we were in the police car and they're like, yeah, you're not getting out until the morning. Yeah. And I think that the overnight is kind of where it went.

The story became real. The mug shots, the shot of you guys, you know. Where's your mug shot at? I have it. I don't know if we put it, it's, I'll send it, we can put you guys with, you know. Where's your mug shot at? I have it. I don't know if we put it, it's, all of a sudden we put up our PMT. I think you were smirking. I was smiling.

Yeah, he was smiling. He was a little jackass about it. It was awesome. Good. Yeah, it was good for the vibes. But you were in it, I was in it. Yeah. Which I was like, what the fuck?

Because they had a rundown clip of me, of right before you guys went to the NFL offices and me and KFC just being like, what are these idiots about? Yeah, I mean, the footage they used was literally like, you know, I was holding the phone, which was like, holy shit, like that's, that's me. You're in it. I mean, I'm in it, but I'm also like, that's, they're using my footage,

which I get, I kind of knew they were going to do, but it was still very, very surreal. And I knew it was coming. I watched it on Saturday. So it was a couple of days after and a lot of people had hit me up, but it was still very, very surreal, very cool. And the Belichick smear campaign marches on. The also funniest light switch. Like we had our own camera guy that was like, free porn, no, free porn, no.

But it sounds like it was a fan, which always makes me laugh. Yeah. But that was, that was, I was happy they included that. That just made me laugh. Yeah. So you were causing good trouble. Yeah. Civil disobedience 101.

How much, the 23 episode were you crying? It was great. I mean, it was, it was, those two Super Bowls are the greatest two Super Bowls of all time. And, you know, it's cemented Brady. It's crazy. Obviously, and it is, you know, it is very,

it was tough, I'm sure, where it's, everyone's like, it's craft, it's craft, it's a hit piece, it's a hit piece. And then the most recent episode started with like, just, Robert Kraft's a great guy, they had Murdock in there. He's just, he's the best. Businessman Titan. I told big cat this when he came into the office. But I'll tell you too, it's shocking to me how the episode that centered around the 28 to three game

somehow came off making Bill Belichick look worse, or as bad as the episode about Aaron Hernandez. Like they took a big shit on Belichick this entire time. It was like Tom against Bill, Tom against Bill, everybody in that locker room against Bill. They made him look so bad in this most recent episode that I think that now I think most people with brain will be like what's going on. Yeah, it's I mean it's crazy they're just taking them down. It's insane. I can't wait for the Belichick

documentary where he actually can speak how he wants to have a lot of footage. Well NFL films even. He's gonna have to get that from Kraft LLC or from Jake Glazer. Yeah. NFL films came out and even said like he's a huge NFL Films guy. Always has been like they've always been, you know, connected and super friendly. And NFL Films came out and made a statement. It was like, this is kind of a hit piece. Yeah. It's crazy.

It's nuts to watch it be like, and I'm sure the ending is not going to be great. Can I, can I say something? Oh, they're setting up there. I mean, they obviously, but even, you know, it was very focused on deflake gate and then they went into Super Bowl a little bit, but they're not talking about the games all that much. And then they're just gonna have probably two episodes on the end of Brady Belcher.

Hank, can you take your headphones off real quick? I just wanna talk to Big Cat. Yeah. Now that his headphones are off? Yeah. As a member of the media, we really fucked up Deflake 8. That was really not that big a deal. It was tough.

More has passed away. It is. He was going, yeah. But like, hearing how the entire thing was framed, somehow Dave Portnoy was more correct about chemistry than every member of the media. Your Deflake 8 was very different than mine because I was, you weren't at Barstool yet. I vividly remember like trying to fight it for maybe a week or so and then Dave just spent

so much time reading documents and learning science that I just gave up. Yeah, it's shocking to me. We gave up. It's shocking to me how right. The Tico Texas rundown is the one that always pops in my head where he, Tico Texas zoomed in from a target

and Dave and Tico was like, what's up with you guys cheating? And Dave was like, how much time you got Tico? And then Kevin and I just left the rundown. I was like, he's just gonna do it again and he's right. And there's nothing we can say about it. All right, so I think a couple of things are probably true with the benefit of hindsight.

One, Tom Brady definitely likes his footballs a little under, on the underinflated side. Two, who really gives a fuck? Correct. We can say that, right? Like every NFL quarterback likes their balls. That's not why he was winning Super Bowl. That's not why he was winning Super Bowl.

It was by 100. And the fact that it came at a time when the NFL was looking for any sort of distraction from like actual problems that they had, where they could be like, okay, we're gonna hire this ex FBI guy to do a full report on whether or not Tom Brady slightly deflated some footballs. It's crazy.

It is crazy. All right, Hank, you can put your headphones back on. Put it back on. The deflator is the one part that always is like, oh, that does. And didn't they say they called that because he lost a bunch of weight? Yeah, I think so.

That's awesome. Yeah, the deflator. But also, I mean, Ben Affleck, you know, said it on the, what was it, Simmons Show called, whatever it was called? Any given Wednesday. Any given Wednesday? You should, you would never give your phone to the NFL. They literally showed Spygate how they had to destroy tapes because everything was getting

leaked. Yeah, I agree with that. And also, if they go through all of our texts and sift through it line by line They can find something that they can take out of context and make us just look like trash. Yeah Facts the deflator. All right Hank We're at number eight number eight Eight eight eight so so Wednesday will be the finale which I think there eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight suck because we wanted to basically make Hank have to do something like here all these awesome

players won all these Super Bowls and then ruin it so that Hank has to do it so long that everyone's like enough already. Yeah. Mission accomplished by us. Yep. On this side of the table. Recurring guest. Chris Long. No. Recurring guest. Ninkinkovich, Gronk again. No. Only player decides Brady to win Super Bowls in both eras. Hmm. Ebna. Oh, Vince Wilfork. Oh, yeah. Good, good call.

Yep. Great player. Super athletic. Hilarious. Had the funniest commercials. The he had a chicken commercial that I think it was, I mean, I think I watched it in the high school and college. It just made me laugh every time

when he said rotisserie chicken. No, it was not ribs. No, he did those commercials too. But before it was pre-ribs, he had, I think it was like big Y or something, some supermarket company. And he was just talking about how great rotisserie chicken was.

Freak athlete. Rotisserie chicken. Freak was. Freak athlete. Rotisserie chicken. Freak athlete. Freak athlete. Yeah. Okay, good one. Also, he was in the bodies issue of ESPN, right? Yeah.

Yeah, just a dude. Just a total dude. Great dude. Honorable mention. Let's go Steven Kostowski. Okay. Okay. So would you put himostowski. Okay. Okay. Okay.

So would you put him above Vinitari? No. I would. Wait, but you didn't make Vinitari an honorable mention. He did say in that one thing, he's like, we hated the Patriots. Yeah, that was weird, wasn't it? Yeah. When he went into the flakate episode.

And there's people saying that he's going to go in the Hall of Fame as a cult, which is insane. Yeah, which is insane. Yeah, that is a little- Do you think maybe he was the one that told the cults, hey, if you get your hands on a football? That is weird because if he goes in the hall of fame, it's because of what he did with the Patriots, more than what he did with the cults.

Yeah. Yeah, having me second guessing some things. The, you know who I had never heard like talk before, who I wanna have on the show is Matthew Slater. I feel like I'd never seen an interview from him. Yeah. And it was like, this guy rocks. Yeah.

He probably knows everything, because he's just, he was like the unassuming special teams guy who was just, he's the most like patriot, patriot of all time probably, right? Yeah. So he must be on your top 10.

No. Oh, oh, shit. And he just retired? Yeah. So he must be on your top ten? No. Oh, shit. And he just retired? Yeah, and he is the most, he agreed he's the most patriot of all time. He embodied the patriot way. Yeah, I mean I wish I, I made this list before I watched an episode. I wish you know now that I've seen some things I could change. Okay, so you know what we'll restart your list. Okay. After Wednesday a chain out. Oh okay so you know what we'll restart your list. Okay after Wednesday we'll go we'll go traditional 10 to 1 with what you would have done. You know what after watching this documentary number one Robert Kraft he seemed like a great guy in the dusting industry. Yeah Titan of industry. Also the Peole describing Brady. Oh yeah. Was was just unbelievable.

Like you gotta stop so this guy's the fucking grim reaper. Yeah. Oh, I'm so I'm so glad that they told the the Putin stealing the Super Bowl ranked story Yeah, all-time story. Yeah It's mine now also Julian Edelman that was a nice piece of patriots porn for you I'd imagine Hank when they showed that catch and then right afterwards him talking to DB being like no I caught it and the DB like no you didn't he's like no I caught that shit watch and they watch it together on the Jumbotron and Julian's like see I told you I caught it. And the D being like, no, you didn't. He's like, no, I caught that shit watch. And they watch it together on the Jumbotron. Julian's like, see, I told you, I caught it.

Look at that. Didn't touch the ground. That was so good. Also, Malcolm Mitchell, honorable mention. He was just a beast that season and that was it. All right, we've done enough of this. Okay. Any, no other honorable mention.

You don't get another honorable mention. Strike that from the record, please. You don't get an extra honorable mention. Stricted from the record. I did like the look on Chris Long's face when they won a football game and then Belichick was chewing their ass out and Chris is like we're not celebrating this one. Yeah. I'm not having any fun I better go to the Eagles. Yeah. Oh I mean they it's selectively edited. But the way they were showing Belichick in the locker room with Jimmy G after after the first game he played when he was like,

oh, coming up to him, buddy, buddy, job, son, like that was it made you feel like, oh, he's just a dickhead to Brady. But that then you have to remember this is a this is a puff piece and anti Bellachock. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And Robert Kraft referring to Thomas Tommy. All the time. Very weird motion. Is there a thing about Tommy?

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