Pardon My Take - Coach Ron Rivera In Studio, The Bengals May Be Dead, Week 10 Picks And Preview + Fyre Fest Of The Week

Episode Date: November 8, 2024

The Bengals may be dead but we aren't going to stop believing in them. Ravens continue being a team you cant make any mistakes against (00:00:00-00:12:35). Week 10 Picks and Preview for every game including a new coach in New Orleans and some big games this weekend (00:12:35-01:18:50). Fantasy Fuccbois and our best bets (01:18:50-01:25:36). Coach Ron Rivera joins the show to talk about his first year out of football, the genesis of Riverboat Ron after a meeting with John Madden, Stories about the 85 Bears and his days with the Panthers (01:25:36-02:13:42). We finish with Fyre Fest of the week (02:13:42-02:25:33).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take

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Only on DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Friday, November 8th and the Bengals might be dead also Max is on the couch by decree of pug Pug said that max should be on the couch so max is on the couch I'm just gonna do bad bad things here, so I can go back to the booth. Oh Threatening us. What are you gonna? Do look at your phone and not listen to us real bad things Maybe I'll just interrupt. Oh okay. And be disrespectful. Max became. You got you got scared when you sat down in this guy. I don't like looking at you. Yeah.

Something about your dog. Uncomfortable dog. It'll bark when there's a fence up and then they open the gate. You need a pillow in front of your stomach. I do need to grab that one right there. There you go. Talk about Thursday night football. All right. Thursday night football was incredible. The Bengals, uh, Jamar chase kills the Ravens and holy shit. He had a night. What do you end up with? Two 50, two 64. He had 11 receptions, two 64, three touchdowns, three touchdowns, the longest 70 yards. And how do you feel? How do you think that Mike Brown feels about this game? Because he's like, this is awesome. I'm so glad that our team is is competitive. God damn, Jamar Chase is good. Good draft pick by me.

But then he's like, shit, I also have to pay the guy. And we lost. Yeah. And we lost. And that's the story because the Bengals, it was basically a repeat of the first time these two teams played where you watch this game and the Bengals were up 21-7 or right after the half and you're like, oh man, the Ravens look bad. They look like just kind of discombobulated. They couldn't get any drives going. And then boom, Marlon Humphries with a great strip. And that changed everything. Cause then the Ravens scored and then they scored again. And it was just, the game was on and the Ravens are, you can't make mistakes then the Ravens scored and they scored again And it was just the game was on and the Ravens are you can't make mistakes against the Ravens like the Bengals again

this is another Joe burrow has played perfect against the bangle or the Ravens and They have no wins to show for it this year. Yes, so game one against the Ravens. They lost 41 to 38 tonight They lost 35 to 34. That's that's where it's like when another team has your number. Yeah. Like you played almost to the best of your abilities as a team. And what's crazy is like, I'm walking away from this Bengals game. And I'm thinking the Bengals are one of the best teams in the AFC. Yeah, they're probably not gonna make the play. No, they might not make the playoffs. And yeah, Joe burrow against the Ravens this year has 800 yards and nine touchdowns in one pick. And they just, you can't make mistakes against the Ravens. That's just how they are. I mean, I still, the Ravens defense, obviously Kyle Hamilton going down was very big because you could feel that, especially with Jamar chases like that. That was incredible where the Ravens, or sorry, the Bengals go up 28-21 and then it was like, oh, or no, yeah, that was the play, right? That was a 70 yard touchdown pass?

The 70 yard touchdown pass to Wallace was... No, no, no, no. I'm saying the Bengals, when the, yeah, the Ravens went up 28-21, they get the two point conversion and it was one play, 70 yards to Jamar chase. You're like, yeah the Bengals get like They'll They're the best team Jamar chase is the best player ever. He gets faster after he catches the ball He doesn't even look that fast I know but he glides and he just glides through everybody and he takes like perfect angles good understanding of geometry That's what they've always said about Jamar chase. Yeah, what a night for

good understanding of geometry. That's what they've always said about Jamar Chase. Yeah. What a night for, uh, the Bengals offense and they just didn't have enough to stop the Ravens. And it really was that it was that fumble because of that fumble, the game's 21 seven there and you just felt like the Ravens were like, fans were booing, guys were yelling stuff. It felt like the Ravens were kind of lost and that fumble sparked everything and then they scored three, uh, three unanswered touchdowns and you know, end up winning on the last play, which by the way, there was probably some holding. Also, that's, that's

why you kicked the extra point there and you take it to overtime on the road. You don't want to make mistakes. You're putting a lot of weight on one play. We've always said that against a superior team or game. No one thought that you were going to win at halftime. You're putting a lot of weight on one play. We've always said that against a superior team or game. No one thought that you were going to win at halftime. You take the point there. Yeah. Again, cute with the Zach Taylor. Yeah. We, if you were watching us on stream in the gambling cave, we were rooting for an extra point because of gambling. But now that we're out of the gambling cave, that was the correct call to go for two. Yeah. A hundred percent. You got to go for two there. There was a little too much time left with the Ravens having to like, I thought the Ravens were going to win no matter what, even if the Bengals had gotten that two point conversion, there was

two timeouts and like 25 seconds left. That was Lamar Jackson going to just go down the field. Yeah. Lamar finds a way there. Uh, Justin Tucker. Yeah. Wash this it feels like The Ravens might be destined to get into a close playoff game against I don't know the Kansas City Chiefs To get out kicked. Hmm. I Hope that's not the case, but there's something up with Justin Tucker There's definitely something up with Justin Tucker helmets and the the uniforms there I appreciate the homage to color rush the Thursday night tradition that we used to have in this country when we were a proper country. Yeah. That being said, Big Cat, I know that you feel a certain type of way about the Ravens' black uniforms at night. I agree.

Well- That's their night uniform. It was just good that the Ravens won this game because if they had lost this game, you could have just pointed to the fact that you handed the game over by not wearing your black uniforms at night. Yeah. That would that would have been it right there. But yeah, the purple is a little little candy. Yes, I do like that they tried something different. I would rather them just go with the black uniforms at night because those are unstoppable. Max, what were your thoughts about the game? I had nothing. Okay. Yep. They're they're having a great time. I know it's right now. I could hear memes through the soundproof booth. I don't think I've seen. I don't think I've seen Hank

smile this long time. Give me your breakdown. I got horrible. I got horrible. I got nothing. I shouldn't be here. I don't like looking at you. You're intimidated. You're so intimidated. I'm not ready for the bright lights. You're not ready for the bright lights. Pugger you are you think this is work. Should we keep this as a. Should we keep them in here for fire fest. No I don't know. We're going to kick him out for weekend preview because we'd be. No don't listen to Hank. I think we need a little longer to test it out. All right. So confirm. All right. So we're gonna kick you out for weekend preview

and then when we do fire fest you'll be back on the couch. That's fair Max just participate in the podcast for one second. Did you like the football game tonight? football football football football Alright, so realistically I Need to be kicked out. I should be kicked out. I thought it was a great game great Thursday football game offensive explosion fun to watch You love sports when you're in that booth. Yeah, I fucking love sports

Okay, so looking at the schedule The Bengals have to win they can lose maybe one more guy. I don't even know if they can lose one more game I don't know if they lose one more game. They're very close to being eliminated because that would be nine and seven would be the best or no. Sorry. They can lose one more game because 10 and seven, maybe 10 and seven. So here's what their schedule is at the chargers. Not an easy game. Harbaugh bowl, uh, Steelers at home. Cowboys, Dak will still be out because he's on IR, right? Titans, Browns, Broncos, Steelers. You're talking about the Bengals schedule, right?

The Bengals schedule, yeah. Okay, so not the hardball bowl. Oh, sorry, not the hardball bowl. You're right. They play later. I was confused. I thought the hardball bowl was later. They do have the opportunity to Let's see when they lost one hardball. Yeah, so that means that they might go win. They're gonna beat the other hardball Yeah, yeah, that's right. So I Think they could I'm never gonna give up on the Bengals. I don't know what it's a sickness at this point We've done the not gonna give up on Joe burrow We've done the look ahead at their schedule. I think every single week

I think we started doing it after they beat the Panthers in week four This was the this was the game though that we circled is like you win this game. You're back to 500 now You have some wiggle room now. You can you can you know? Realistically lose two games finish 10 and 7 getting the playoffs. I yeah, they have to they they can take one more loss on the season and listen I I think they could do it if they can beat the Chargers I think they can do it. It's crazy to say I think they might be able to do it two games against the Steelers. Cowboys is a win Titans should be a win Brown Browns, Broncos at home, those should be wins. So it's basically comes down to two games against the Steelers and a game against the Chargers. Can you go

two in one in those games? Also Cooper Rush though. Can you go two in one in those games and the Ravens now? Um, I mean they're, yeah, they're just really good. I, I, I didn't understand Jerry was saying that he was, the Bengal Salute so they would just get out of the picture. I understood what he was saying. Because if you're a fan of a team that has a bitter rival like Pittsburgh does with Baltimore, I know that Cincinnati's been in that equation recently, but he would much rather focus all of his energy as a fan on one team to hate as opposed to spreading out to two teams to

concentrate on. I'd rather take the two-game lead That's a lot of people for Jerry to have to wish injury on there's two teams that he has to I'd rather take two-game lead Because it would the Bengals were never gonna be Like a threat to win the AFC North they were gonna be a threat to get in a wild card The Ravens are now seven and three. Yeah, you know, it's not the that that's gonna be a fight in the AFC North They have to I think the Steelers and Ravens still have to play two times I would have I would have felt the same way but Jerry is he's a different bird

So he wants to be able to just focus on one enemy. It's gonna be man I'm is it crazy that I'm like already so excited for the playoffs because I'm just looking at the AFC playoffs and it's just That that chiefs bills Ravens not even talking about the Steelers and text like man I think good team I think we're just amped up from a good football game yeah I take this as a as a harbinger of things to come for this weekend so when Thursday night kicks off and it's an awesome game you know that Sunday's gonna bring it yeah set the tone okay Max any last thoughts

the Eagles beat the shit out of the Bengals. Oh okay. That's my thoughts. That's good. Alright, let's kick it to ourselves. We're gonna have Hank come back on the couch for the weekend preview and then we have Ron Rivera and then we'll do Firefest with Max back on the couch. Weekend preview brought to you by our friends at Game Time. Football season is here and we can't wait to get out to some games this fall with the help of game time the official

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Let's start we got we were going back abroad Giants at Panthers in Germany. Oh boy. Oh boy. So are we going to boycott this game or not? Because if you're mad at the NFL for anything, you can say that you're going to boycott the games. It's been going back since like 2010 that people have been like, Oh, I don't like this app and I'm going to boycott.

This is the actual time when you could possibly boycott a game where they would, you could have the lowest ratings of all time in any football game. Yeah. I, uh, I'm going to keep an eye on it. I think here's my plan. I'm going to wake up and I'm going to turn it on and then I'm going to stay in bed and then just kind of let whatever happens happens. Okay.

If I, that sounds like you're going to watch it. I probably going to watch it. Yeah. I'm going to keep an eye on it. I'm going to be with my kids. So I'll probably, you know, watch it, I'm probably gonna watch it. Yeah, I'm gonna keep an eye on it I'm gonna be with my kids. So I'll probably you know have the phone in my hand watch it. It's gonna be bad I actually think the Giants are gonna win Do you know the Giants are leading the league in sacks 35? Yeah, they're defensive line. Very good. Yeah Here's a crazy stat about the Giants. They're favored in this game. Yeah, that's crazy. That's a crazy step because they

haven't been favored since week two of last season. Yeah, 24 straight games. 24 straight games where they've been underdogs and week two last season they beat the Cardinals 31 to 28 as four and a half point road favorites. It's crazy. Yeah. Wild ride for the Giants. Chubba Hubber just got re-signed. Good for him. I just, I don't know, the Giants are also the best international team. They're 3-0 all time internationally. So I like the Giants in this game just because I'm gonna bet it because it's gonna be on and their defense is actually good and that's really the only thing you can point to.

I mean Daniel Jones, maybe he's going to run more. Maybe he'll get more than one yard passing in the first half. I think he's going to run. And I also think he could pass in this game too, because the Panthers pass defense absolutely stinks. They get no pass rush whatsoever. If you're going to get a good game out of Daniel Jones, it's going to be this one. Yeah. Did you know? So, so we had the idea of the Tuber Bowl, uh, last week is obviously

two, two win teams. So we'll, we'll figure out, uh, maybe this is like a, a play in game for the Tuber bowl. Did you know that they used to play a third and fourth gate place game in the NFL? Yeah. It's awesome. Called the playoff bowl, also known as the Burt bell benefit bowl. I love that. And, uh, the lions are the best team ever in the, as the Burt Bell benefit bowl. I love that. And the Lions are the best team ever in the in the Burt Bell benefit bowl. They were three and oh all time. And apparently Vince Lombardi hated it so much. He used it as motivation to like get to the Super Bowl being like you don't want to have to fucking go play in this game. You want to play in the losers game? No. But I wish they had bring bringing this back like the AFC and IFC championship

game week before just play a third place game. I mean but I wish they had bring, bring this back. Like AFC and ISU championship game week before, just play a third place game. I mean, that would make the pro bowl look like playoff speed. Yeah. The third and fourth place teams that definitely don't want to be there. And it also would just be like, we get a definitive answer. You were how close were you to winning a super bowl? Right. You could probably say if one team beats the other team by a significant margin in the Burt, the Burt Bud. Burt Bell Benefit Bowl. The Burt Bell Benefit Bowl. Yeah.

If one team blows the other one out, then you could see those results and be like, well, we would have beaten that team. So really, the NFC championship game was the Super Bowl. Yeah. It also is partially responsible for the Dolphins becoming a franchise, because they used to play in Miami. So they're like, hey, we should get a team here. Kind of cool. Yeah. Yeah. The Burt bell benefit bowl. Burt bell was the fifth NFL commissioner.

If anyone's wondering, Oh, I was, I was wondering, he introduced competitive parody into the NFL to improve the league's commercial viability and promote its popularity. I don't sounds like just some mumbo. It's it's marketing resume. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah marketing was they came up with that way I think he introduced competitive parity means hey, we should these games should be better. Yeah. Yeah, I would not the best players Yeah, they stop stop letting the teams just draft players from their region so we can make some of these teams better Would you want to have a third place game named after you? No, I don't think I would. Definitely not. But it is a good name, Burt Bell. And yeah, Lombardi used to call it the shit bowl. Now losers bowl for losers. Okay, so what they should actually do though, is they should do the the last team, the team that's

slated at number one in the draft. Yes, the team that's slated at number two, have them play. And then the winner of that would get the number one overall draft pick. I agree with that. That would be very fun. But yeah, the Burt Bell benefit bowl. Okay, let's do the regular slate. Start with Bills at Colts. We don't know. Keon Coleman might be banged up. Amari Cooper obviously missed last week. He might miss again. The Colts didn't reach the red zone last week against the Vikings. That's not good. Not good.

I weirdly think this might be a good spot for the Colts. So I was thinking about Jonathan Taylor because the last time they played, I think Taylor had 185 yards and five touchdowns. Now you look at the quarterback and they're going to go with Flacco. They're going to go with Flacco. They're going to stick with Flacco Under Flacco Taylor has 29 yet rushes for 106 yards. Yeah, 3.6 yards per carry. Yep under Richardson He's got 76 rushes for 396 yards 5.2 yards per carry which makes sense. It does he's he's a much much more efficient running

Opens everything up. You got to be worried about him running as well. So what they have to do is they have to get Flacco on the move early. Yeah. Do like a little RPO with Flacco and just make the defense think that maybe Joe Flacco is going to run at some point during the game and then Jonathan Taylor will be much better. I like the cults in this game simply because when you make the switch to Joe Flacco, you're essentially saying we have to make the playoffs this year. Yeah. Because you wouldn't make it otherwise. So you're like, hey, we're making the switch to Joe Flacco you're essentially saying we have to make the playoffs this year. Yeah. Because you wouldn't make it otherwise so you're

like hey we're making the switch we're gonna try to get to the playoffs this year this is a must-win for the Colts also kind of a weird spot for the Bills and the fact they just played the Dolphins at home they essentially wrapped up the AFC East and they have the Chiefs on deck so I don't I don't think the Colts are better than the Bills but I just I don't know plus four feels like a game maybe the Colts maybe Hungry Dog give you decided on the Hungry Dog I haven't decided but I was not thinking Colts Colts although it's but if Anthony Richardson plays oh you want Anthony Richard that boosts it up yeah okay so I think that the Colts are gonna be able

to run the ball I mean not be a matter who's the Red So. It's bad It's a bad bad stat to have from a game You don't even get close to really scoring a touchdown Or even like a good look at the end zone and to your Drake may point from earlier in the year It's like just play him why if you're if you have them, yeah play it. I agree Well, they're trying to make the playoffs. You can't even get in the red zone. Yeah now so Play your you know future the thing about the Colts is if they are trying to get to the playoffs, they're like the perfectly average team in the NFL. I think that they can beat any bad team. I think that they can compete against good teams too. They can lose by one score to most teams in the NFL. But

the position you have yourself in with Joe Flacco starting is you're going to just sell out to make the playoffs as potentially The last seed in the playoffs and probably lose in the first round, correct? Which will make your draft pick so much worse correct if you had just played Anthony Richardson. Yeah, it makes no sense Yeah, what's the best case scenario for Flacco? The only thing it would have made sense if they traded Anthony Richardson Yeah, because then it would be like yeah, we're done and we're fully done from my friends at SportsInfoSolutions, if the Colts do go too high trying to limit Josh Allen's passing, the Bills are the best running team against too high and the Colts are the worst defensively in that formation.

So maybe some James Cook overs. Okay. Just something to think about. Just putting a little nugget in your head. I also had this one Jordan Phillips on the Bills this week said he's an acquired taste and they like how I taste. Talking about the Bills. Okay so the Bills. What do you guys think you taste like? No comment. I don't think I taste good.

No I can't. Grease. How much pineapple have I had that day Cheetos? Maybe some Cheetos. Yeah, I'm salty. Yeah salty and sweet. Mm-hmm But that's a very funny quote to say I'm an acquired taste and they like how I taste So how long has he been on the bills? How long did that mean that they hated him? I think he's just an acquired taste He's just someone who you know, it takes it takes a while to get used to this type of taste Right and he's been on the bills this year. Yeah, so since they like how he takes actually he was Was he traded this year? He was traded this year. That's where the acquired comes from he's got the acquired date

They literally acquired him. Yeah, they acquired the taste. Oh, no. He's been on the bills multiple times I'm sorry. He's been on the bills three different times So they must just keep wanting to come back for the taste. They keep acquiring him. Yeah over and over again. He's been on the bills three different times. Uh, so they must just keep wanting to come back for the taste They keep acquiring them. Yeah over and over again. He's gone, uh Dolphins bills Cardinals bills Giants Cowboys bills. Yeah, he's like Malort. They can't get rid They can't they can't stop thinking about the taste of Jordan Phillips Yeah, well what they get a taste of them and then they're like, I'm never tasting this again the after never never drinking again Yeah, and then a year later, they're like, I might as well take one more shot.

Yeah, he was released right before the trade deadline and the Bills picked him back up. So yeah, they just keep coming back for more tastes. So what are we gonna do about the tickets this weekend? Bills at Colts. We got two Colts tickets. What about Colts fans? First person to send a video of them throwing somebody through a table or getting thrown through a table? Or a pit? Just find a pit somewhere Pit find a pit. What about just a Colts fan if we have maybe a Colts fan who also is a Josh Allen fan How they would prove that I don't know Mmm, maybe they have a Josh Allen Jersey or fan of

Colts fan with a horse Colts fan with a horse. Oh, I like that Yeah, I like that if you can fight or just really a picture of you with a horse Colts fan with a horse. Oh, I like that. Yeah, I like that If you can fight or just really a picture of you riding a horse. Ah, what about a Colts fan with a buffalo? Yeah, if there's any out there gets number one backup is gonna be Colts fan with a horse Yeah, you'll get two tickets to the game Okay next game Hank Patriots at Bears I

Think the Bears could lose this game game I don't want that to happen I'm going to bet this will not be in the hungry dog I'm going to place a large weight you control the I know I'm saying I'm gonna you're gonna bet that it's not in the hungry dog you decide no it's not I said it's not going to be an hungry dog period. I'm going to bet big Patriots plus six Okay, okay, because then I think the Patriots can keep it close cover that but I I don't want I Hope the Bears show up in that I'm wrong about them quitting The DJ more fallout has been weird even more he came he did it He did an interview and was like yeah, I got injured on that play

Still a lot of smoke there Yeah, they were asking about losing the locker room and he was kind of non-committal about that said he doesn't want to say that Yeah, which means that he wants to say yeah, he does he wants to say it Bears getting a little bit healthier on the offensive line. I think Montez sweat will be back. I think Gordon will be back I I don't know. I just they got to win this game by three touchdowns for me to feel anything three touchdowns for me to feel like excited because next week is Packers and the onslaught of the NFC North so I know what's coming they have to look so good that I have no choice but to say the

Bears are back and I feel really good about the rest of the season on the flip side. Is there what percentage hope or like desire is there for the Patriots to win by like three touchdowns and he refuses gone. They've never fired a coach mid season. So what if I thought they were if I thought there was a chance they would fire them, it would be a nice consolation prize. There's rumblings, but there's been the street, but there's been rumblings before and it just doesn't, it doesn't, they don't, they're cheap. Are the rumblings in the room with you right now? Because I feel like the rumblings streets. No, I mean, I just, I've heard the rumblings are driving down the street

and people stop my car and say, Hey, I think there are from people that talk into a microphone for living. He's saying they want him fired He's saying the rumblings are coming out of my mouth. Mmm. Yeah, which they are But they're also not because he's not gonna get fired mid-sea But that would be the smart thing if you lost this game It would be smart for the Bears to move on from that Eberfluss and then get a jump start on whoever's gonna be next Which that will be a disaster in its own right. I'm guessing it's not possible to hire a coach who's under contract for another team in the middle of the season. Mike Vrabel, Mike Vrabel, he's out there.

Listen, he's a consultant. Mike Vrabel is an independent contractor right now. I would love the Bears hire Mike Vrabel. I don't think they'd hire Mike Vrabel. I don't think they'll ever hire an Alpha who is bigger than the organization ever since Dicca. That just won't happen. They're just gonna find hire someone meek and Schefter has just been on an assault train. He said that Ben Johnson is if he's like if there's eight interview openings Ben Johnson will not talk to all eight, whoever he talks to

is someone that he's expecting to take the job, essentially saying he's not going to go to the Bears. Okay, so I know why you would think that, but I also saw no less than three different franchises thinking that that was about them. Who else? So I saw the Jaguars. That probably is about them. Thinking that it was about them.

But it could be, but that was kind of what Shepter was saying. Yeah, he was saying there could be eight openings and Ben Johnson could only take two interviews Yeah, and then I saw the Jets thinking that Adam Shepter was probably about them as well So he's sending a message to all the dysfunctional franchises Don't you don't get your hopes up this guy is has the pick of the litter and he's not gonna go somewhere where he thinks He can fail. I counterpoint You got Caleb Williams. Yeah. Right. Like any other French. I guess you could say that same thing for for the Jaguars. They have Trevor Lawrence who would probably

be an interesting project for like a good office of mine. Aaron Rodgers would be the same way, but he's old. They've taken the fight out of me. I don't know what to say. Yeah. Taking the fight out. So there's there's no bad blood between you and Hank right now. No, I have no fight left This is the game to recharge my fight Yeah If they win this game convincingly my fight will be recharged for the Packers if they squeak out a win or lose this game I will continue to have no fight. I have a question for the producers a part of my take Yes from a production standpoint and a numbers standpoint standpoint what is the optimal outcome for this game? Is it for for Hank's

Patriots to just crush Big Cat's dreams? Yes. Or is it for Big Cat or is it for Big Cat to beat the fuck out of Hank and talk all the shit to him? No I'm not even gonna talk shit because I do I I don't I think this season is just fucked up beyond belief FUBAR. I want I need I need you to be excited for the pack. Yeah, that's what that's that's what the sickos are one I want you to win by 14 I don't know if the if the sickos and perverts are rooting for a Bears resounding victory because knowing how my brain works and how reactionary I am I Will get myself hyped to be like we're gonna beat the Packers You want me to tell you what I really want what I want to make a remake of the of the last year

What remember that fit that that clip that we made of you going back and forth on whether yeah, that's what's gonna happen I know that no that's gonna happen. I mean it is it's a week to week league for me Although this year it's not been a roller coaster, it's been a, like, it's been like the first part of a roller coaster. I just went up, up, up, and then straight down. It hasn't been back up. No, we could get some clips from that Titans game.

No, because I was like, I mean we won that game. Yeah, but middle of the game. But I still was staying positive. It was week one. You need, for the clip to actually work I need to go back up. I'm there was a little bit of that down right now in the Jaguars game There was a little bit of up No, I'm saying I'm saying the season has been

Like a little steady up up up up and now it's going down We for max to make the clip he needs me to go back up again Yeah, cuz otherwise it's just going to be me. It's just one clip of me going up and then just straight down. Correct. Yeah. So you need to you need a big win and me to be excited about the packers. Then we lose to the Packers and I'm back down. Yeah. But I'm not I'm not allowing my I'll say.

Fourteen actually seventeen. I'll say I'll settle for seventeen. Sev for 17 17 will be hopes up 17 will be hopes the longest home winning streak in the NFL in nine games can't win on the road can't win on the road okay next game Broncos the Chiefs Chiefs are plus 56-point differential which is the lowest for an undefeated team through eight games Interesting so there are 25 teams since 1979 that started the season 8 no if you go off DVO a The Chiefs would be 18th. So they'd be kind of in the middle Yeah on that one, but I still think they're the best team and not named the Lions. Yeah

If they if they had to score 40 points a game to win some of these games They probably would be able to figure out a way somehow to write if they have to score 40 points a game to win some of these games, they probably would be able to figure out a way somehow to do it. Right, if they have to have a third down, they'll get a third down. I'm very curious to see how Bo Nix bounces back and if the Broncos, because that was a step up in class last week, they got smoked. I do think you're never as bad as you were the week before, so maybe we get a good Broncos performance here.

The only thing that is making me want to, Hank, maybe go Bo Nix in the Hungry Dog? That, I don't know. OK, the only thing that's. That was hard last week. The only thing that's making me think that is the Chiefs, I believe, are eight point favorites right now. How many people conservatively in America

are going to tease the chiefs? All of them. Yeah. Everyone's looking at and being like, all right, tease the chiefs, find another leg. Good to go. That's, that's the only thing that's making me think maybe the Broncos have a chance in this school, which is a dumb logic thing. And also not in any type of analysis that is worth anything. Also the Broncos defense plays well against the chiefs. They do. Last year they beat them. They played really well both games, both games. The defense was awesome against the Chiefs. Yeah, you're right. Could just do a hungry horse. Okay, cold cold. Yeah. Okay, you said you like the Colts. It's a good spot for them.

Something to think about something to think about. I also, I mean I have stats for the Chiefs from Sports and Foul Solutions. Spags defense brings extra rushers a lot and the Chiefs are top ten in success rate when bringing extra rushers and the Broncos offense is bottom ten. So if they blitz bone Bo Nicks, it could be a long day. Yeah. Bo Nicks, man, there's something about him. I feel like if the defense can play good, having Bo Nicks be the first person to beat Patrick Mahomes this season would be like a perfect Bo Nicks thing.

Oh, it'd be so great. It'd be so great. But I don't think it's going to happen. But we'll see. Okay. Next up, a game I'm very excited to talk about. Ready for this, Hank? A game I'm very excited to talk about. Ready for this, Hank? Game I'm very excited to talk about.

What game do you think I'm gonna say? Falcon Saints. Yes. That's exactly what I was gonna say. That's a lie. It's not a lie. I've done my research on Darren Rizzi and I think I'm gonna take the Saints. So I've done some too.

What did you pull up? Alright, so I got a few. Foster Morrow said that for those of you that know Darren Rizzi, he's an unbelievable leader of men. Also Darren Rizzi changed the layout of the locker room. So he got all the position groups together. Which it makes you wonder why the position groups weren't together to begin with.

They said maybe a COVID thing? It was a COVID thing. So during COVID they spaced, they mixed up all the position groups. So that way you couldn't have like hypothetically, uh, Blake Bortles coming in to play for your team. And then he gets the entire quarterback room. So you might just be sitting next to like a backup tight end or something and then they spread it around. Hypothetically, if Blake Bortles had happened to be on the saints at any time during COVID season, right?

hypothetically He also said I can promise a lot. I can promise passion or I can't promise a lot I can promise passion and I can promise fight. Mm-hmm I think you can win a football game of passion and fight He went back in that press conference and he said again like you will see my team play with fight and passion Yeah, those are like his two key words that he zeroed in on. I've got another thing about Ole Riz, the Rizler. All right, I got two more as well,

but you go with yours. Okay, so this is huge. They've added some sports science to their regimen. Okay. And by that I mean they're doing an activation period before every practice and every game. Oh. What is an activation period, you might ask.

It's warming up. It's stretching. It's getting a sweet one They were not stretching before games. Okay, so he has added in stretching which is huge That's got to be worth very important very important the Saints haven't been injured or banged up or anything this season No, not at all. So I feel like this is a good thing that the a professional football team is now stretching before games Yeah, they're stretching. Yeah. Okay, I like that.

My other two, the Rizzler, Darren Rizzler stats, he's a disciple of Dan Campbell. He considers Dan Campbell a mentor. They had a long conversation. He said it was a great conversation. He also talked to Bill Parcells. And then my last one, and is kind of the the cherry on top for Will I won't I bet on a interim head coach?

I need some type of weird Not deformity, but something's little off Darren Rizzi's ears are fucked up. Yeah, they I don't know what the fuck is going on with his ears. No offense to his ears I Don't know if you can pull it up memes. Max just went. I don't know where he went But they are like elf years. He's yeah, like I tried to look up if he was a wrestler, but they're not cauliflower ears They're just look they're too low set. Yeah. No, he literally has low pad level on his ears He looks like a mr. Potato head with the ears put on backwards. I don't know how much more we should talk about his I don't know what they're like

the reason why his ear, if he just has low ears. I think you can talk about his ears because I don't think those ears can hear. I don't think that those ears can withhold a pair of sunglasses. Right. No, it looks like, it looks like he was wearing, uh, sunglasses made out of tungsten. Yeah. Or that's what happened. Or like he just wore hats his entire life Yeah, and they just beat the ears down into submission He's got you know those sunglasses that that Oakley made for a little bit that wrap around the top of the head

Yep, that's what he has to wear on the sidelines. Yeah, he his ears are something else again. No offense Darren Rizzi We're betting on him and I like him. But uh, yeah your ears man. I like I like that. He's got bad ears Yeah, it makes it more interesting. Yeah. He also tried to come to Dennis Allen's defense and fight Arthur Smith, who Arthur Smith's a friend, but I do like to fight out of it. Yeah, that's good. He also he trolled Tommy DeVito before their game last season. You remember that? Yes. He wore like the rival high school t shirt. Yeah. New Jersey high school

off. So we've got a proud Italian in Rizzi. Yeah. So I, Taron Rizzi. As for the Falcons, I mean, listen, if this were not an interim head coach game, I would probably hammer the Falcons. I think they're going to have a field day with what the Saints do defensively and they don't do a lot and they don't do it well. The Falcons run 87% of their plays out of 11 personnel and the Saints are worse at defending 11 personnel. Sorry, 26 in the NFL, so really bad. Really bad at defending 11 personnel.

I don't know, Drake London not playing, I would assume. I don't think that he is. Yeah, so maybe, maybe. Lavi not playing. Lavi definitely not playing. He's seeing a specialist, pretty scary. I think that's his fourth concussion in three years. So yeah, that doesn't feel like a good Situation it's a rivalry game like these two teams actually they do hate each other every time they play it seems like something happens

Yep, and I I feel like this this three-week window for the Saints is Derek Carr's only opportunity to get away from seeing what mean people are saying about him. Specifically his former teammates. Yeah. So this is a three hour gap in his week where he won't have to worry about reading Michael Thomas saying anything mean about him. But he probably knows while he's playing that it's happening.

Like every time if he throws a pick, I think he thinks about Michael Thomas before he gets to the sideline. Yeah. Yeah. If Drake London is not playing, which I believe he won't be, I'm Pits. It's a pits game calling it right now. Kyle pits vibes You love pits. I do love pits. I love everyone on the Falcons I've always been obsessed with Falcons first round picks. This goes back for like 10 years. They just accumulate

first round picks and I am a draft Guru at heart where if you're first round pick You're really really good for the rest of your life in my eyes and even after your boss I'm like, I mean I still think Kevin White could be explosive on the field Well, every Falcons first round pick on offense just looks awesome. Yeah, where the Falcons uniform. Yeah, like this guy's fast and strong Yeah, so I yeah, I believe in the Falcons Kirko he's playing well Kirko opportunity to walk in the trap. He's playing well

Okay, 49ers at bucks Henry is Christian McCaffrey playing. Yeah, I think he is. Oh Okay Yeah, I think he is. Oh, okay. Okay. Brought per you. This is per you not the war you from the man who brought you Christian McCaffrey might retire. He is now bringing you. I never said that he might play. Never said that. Um, it's the look, it looks like he's playing. Okay. From what I've seen. Okay. I feel like he's playing and I'm happy I didn't say that he was going to retire because I would look really dumb. Yeah, you wouldn't. I feel like he's playing and I'm happy I didn't say that he was going to retire because I would look really dumb. Yeah, you wouldn't. I feel like a lot of tight ends in this game.

Otten and Kittle. Problem with Otten is Fred Warner. Yep, that's true. Throw it out there. I like the 49ers in this game. But who else do the Bucks have really? They don't have anyone else. Yeah. So it's like they're gonna like Shepherd. They're gonna have to scheme open on. No, they don't have Scotty Miller anymore. I think he's on the anyone else. Yeah, so it's like they're gonna really shepherd. They're gonna have to scheme open not No, they don't have Scottie Miller anymore. I think he's on the steel. Yes. Yeah Bucky, I think this is this I think this is a 49ers reset like the 49ers went on a buy They've had a tough start to the season, but they look up and no one in and the the division is right there Yeah, you know what? I mean? what I mean? They're not sitting there.

It'd be one thing if they were four and four and there was a seven and one team in their division. That's not the case. I think they have everything in front of them, and this is where they start playing good football. And this is the classic Kyle Shanahan position to be in. If you look back at his career as a head coach before the bye, the record is 500 right now, right?

Yeah. That's actually an improvement of what they usually are before the bye. Yep. Because they improvement of what they usually are before the bye. Yep. Because they're usually a 400 football team before the bye. And then over the course of his career after the bye, there are 700 football teams. This is where he starts cooking.

So this is legitimately the place that you can point to every year and be like, after this little mini break, they're just going to run the table. Yeah. And I feel like the Bucs, they've had really good effort the last couple of weeks, although the Falcons game was closer than it. Like the final score was closer than what the actual play was. I just think this might be where it just,

it's like, damn, I wish we had Mike Evans and Chris Godwin out here because we don't, we can't go blow for blow with the 49ers, especially if CMC is back. And if you play as well as they played against the chiefs and then you, you lose and you don't go for it at the end, I feel like that's a very deflated way to lose a football game. Oh yeah. I should specify with the Kyle Shanahan thing, it's true that all of his teams improve like drastically after the bye, like night and day football teams. But the first game after the bye, he's not like that great. I think he's four and three in that very first game. Okay. but just look for this the season to start improving now yeah the four now is gonna go on a little run all right biggest game of the of the noon

slate Steelers are commanders mm-hmm game will be sound how many games do we have at noon is it seven I think there are four buys this week. I think there might be four buys plus Germany. Are there four buys? Yeah, the Raiders, the Seahawks, the Packers, and the Browns. Packers, right. One, two, three, seven. Seven. Seven. Perfect. So we'll have all the games on and we'll do sound for Steelers commanders. I am very excited for this game because I think this is a, like not a measuring stick, cause I think both these teams are good. I think it's going to be like,

which one is more for real? And when I say which one is more for real, I'm talking about the commander's offense or the Steelers defense. Yeah. I think whichever team wins this game, I think that team is going to win their division. Yeah. And I think, I think they could maybe be thinking soupy. So the reason why I say specifically the Steelers defense, the commander's offense, because you could look

at it and say the Steelers defenses faced the following quarterbacks, Kirk Cousins first game back after Achilles, Bo Nicks rookie, a very hurt Justin Herbert Anthony Richardson the 17th best quarterback in Dak Prescott Gardner Minshew Aaron Rodgers and Daniel Jones not exactly Jane Daniels been playing better than all the guys I just listed and then on the other side the commander's offense has not faced a top 10 in DVOA defense the best defense they faced was the Bears Who you know they they scored one touchdown at the end of the game the Steelers the eighth best defense DVO a so is It the Steelers defense is a little

Bit worse than we think or is the commander's offense a little bit worse than we think that's right I'm excited to find this out Yeah, and the commander's best win the season you could make the argument has been their loss to the Ravens Yeah, that was like the thing that you can point out and be like this is how this is why we think that the commanders are legitimately good football team and not just beating up on a Relatively soft schedule because they've beaten a lot of bad teams for sure and to have Pittsburgh come into Washington It's tough because Pittsburgh they they bring their towels There have been numerous games

Where it's been the Steelers at whatever Washington name is in place at that point where they've had to go to a hard count at home Yeah, and there's a little bit of towel judo judo going on this week. So The commanders are passing out burgundy towels And hoping that when the yellow towels are waving, the burgundy ones are also waving. It's just going to be cool autumn tree. So it looks like the Redskins commander's colors. Yes. Burgundy and gold. This is a foliage game. Yeah. They're like, we can't keep the towels out, but if we add our towels, then it'll look like your towels are actually our towels. Yeah. Well, unless there's more terrible towels, unless there's, well, if there's like

way more yellow, then then it's an issue. Keep your eyes on on the towel storyline The commanders sorry Mike Tomlin by the way is career 26 and six straight up in games against rookie quarterbacks And also this is obviously a Mike Tomlin road underdog spot where he's 41 28 and one against the spread. Yeah So Mike Tomlin underdog on the road off a bye off a bye where the Steelers are 13 and 4 after the bye under Tomlin this I don't feel comfortable about this game and I'm very uncomfortable about TJ watt because He does bad things to good quarterbacks. The commanders are 11 for 11 on fourth down this year, which is leads the league pretty crazy

Yeah, and we got ladam. I don't know if ladam was gonna be playing this weekend Yeah, I figured that when we got him it was gonna be the Devante Adams situation where he's like Oh, my hamstrings actually good. It's the elevation that yeah better I want to kiss guys and my hamstring doesn't hurt anymore But I don't know if he's gonna be playing or if he's going to be playing like a meaningful amount. I asked you that question like seriously the other day and you just laughed in my face. Is that true? I did. Oh it's a hamstring. I'm sure that hamstring really feels good. I that's a very accurate representation. Oh shit. What are you going to say about this game Max? Uh Jerry verse PFT in the in the

gambling cave. Yeah. Jerry's nervous. No he's not. He's not at all. No no he's nervous. He's like do I give it to him the way that you gave I gave to you or will he give it back to me because I'm nervous. I'll give to Jerry. If Jerry wants to give to me I'll give it right back. There's gonna be a lot of given in that cave on Sunday at 12 o'clock. A lot of given. I think we will find out a lot about both teams in this. That's what I'm saying. It's it's it's seriously like if the commander's offense looks incredible I'm gonna be like, holy shit. They're a lot better than I even expected I think they're very good and the Steelers defense is maybe a little fraudulent and if it's the reverse

If the Steelers defense dominates and be like damn this Steelers defense might be the best defense in the league Yeah, that's that's where they're like the I love this matchup and I love I can't wait to watch this game Yeah Jerry asked me earlier in the week before the trade deadline if I would call DK Metcalf for him and see if he would Like to be traded to the Steelers and I said Jerry I can't I can't do that because we're playing this weekend Yeah, he understood he understands it like Jerry fair Jerry and I are not friends this week. Yeah, he said fair. He said fair. Ah, terrible towels. What about it? You guys are doing the terrible towels? Yeah, the maroon towels. Yeah, burgundy. Yeah, yeah, we discussed the hotel situation. Yeah, yeah, I might have to get a towel. You should. I will. Jerry would not

like that. He's gonna have to bring his towel. Mm-hmm Things could get messy things could get real messy better off I'll bring Stu's 15 15 30 towel there you go Come right it will be chaos in the in the gambling cave though Cuz it'll be me and Jerry yelling at each other sitting right next to each other and then it's gonna be Hank and big cat My game is arguing each other out. How hard they should yell this Again, I have no fight. I have no fight. I don't know what you want to say. I can't fake the fight. I got some fight. I'll bring the fight out. Is this going to be like the NCAA tournament? It totally depends on how they play. Like if they, if the bears

come out and start playing well, I will, I will rebuild my fight. My, I'm My I'm basically like like I'm a like the Ninja Turtles game where my my my my health is like my health is like this I need a couple pizzas yeah and the pizzas are touchdowns and if I can get the pizzas my fight will come back mm-hmm and I'll be revived. Just run over a stem kit real quick. Yeah that's how that's how I feel right now. Memes keeps talking about there's some terrible towel curse that if you try and mess with the jujube Yeah, that's true. That is true Not good that is very very true that when you try to fuck with it if you're the Tennessee Titans who fucked with it

A couple times I forget who else you had disrespect for the terrible. I don't think I don't think that this is disrespect for the terrible towel is it I Think that we should get we should figure it out either me and Jerry both through Steelers, Patriots, and you two both through Commanders, Bears, or the opposite, where me and PFT both through Commanders, Patriots, and you and Jerry both through Bears, Steelers.

What do you mean do? That, just for, so it's just even more chaos? I'm down to do Steelers Patriots or steal it or Steelers Bears We'll figure it out either one of those to be honest, but I think that would make it even more Chaotic I'm okay with commies Bears Okay, figure it out. So means I'll do that. I just found this, back in 2016, the Redskins did the burgundy towels and they lost 38 to 16. Shit.

So we're bringing back loser towels. I've got a good scapegoat if we lose though. Yeah, towels. It was the towels. Vikings and Jaguars, are we getting Mac Jones? I think it's gonna be Mac, yeah. That's going to be hilarious So Trevor Lawrence has a shoulder injury

Mac Jones would now Hank that now you have another game Are you rooting for Mac? I got no bad blood towards back I don't think he's gonna win this game, but is he is it official that it's not official. Yeah No, I think it is. Oh is it I think I think Trevor Lawrence is officially not playing I think that it I saw a rap sheet say unlikely that Trevor Lawrence will play is that um is that baked in the line already or is the line move I saw four and a half earlier oh no it's seven well I got lucky with my picks earlier yeah the return of the Mac okay so Mac Jones he's gonna be in for it with the Brian Flores Blitz and they're playing with the white helmets

The show white helmets for the Jags. Can I see them, please? I would like to see the show Max Please pull up the shell white helmets for the Jags. I'm gonna give a gut instinct whether I like it or not Just straight up. Let's see Hit it. I like them Let's see. Hit it. I like them. Now don't be fooled by the blur. No, yeah that's a guy. Something about the teal and the white just kind of pop. Yeah, shell white baby. Yeah, let's see him. See? The blur did a lot of work on it didn't it? I'm taking it back. I'm walking it back. I just saw it in real life. I'm walking it back. You already did your gut though. Yeah, but that was because of the blur. That's not a gut. No, but the blur. Yeah, the blur. It was an icy, icy blur. You can't do the Photoshop blur.

I want to see it how it looks in in person. And then you also have to think about Mac Jones wearing it. Well, your gut reaction to it was when you saw Trevor Lawrence, you were like, ehh. Yeah, but Mac Jones might look icy. All right, wait, let's see this. Oh my. The teal of the mouth is pretty cool. The teal is, yeah, I wish there was a little more teal. They should not call that shell white, call that teal tongue.

Okay, I'll stick with it, I like it, fine. I like it. Are they wearing white jerseys too or no? I'm not sure. And again, this is, people are gonna be like, oh, well you hated the Packers white helmets This is this is the my exact point if you're the Jaguars your franchise that should be like Oregon You should just wear different uniforms every week. Yeah, the Jaguar you have no real history to to fall back on here

You just do it. It was like four years ago. They had the two-tone helmets Yeah, it was like half gold and half black the crazier the weirder things that you do the more I probably am in on it Yeah, those old ones they used to look like Antonio Brown's mustache Yeah, yeah, okay, so Matt so you gotta be on Mac watch now to Hank Mac Jones I Could buy my two hungry horse parlay and hungry cat parlay Hungry cat parlay with Jack's Panthers hungry bird parlay Are there two hungry birds?

the Cardinals and The Seahawks on a by you said I did not say the Seahawks Cardinals Their bird You could also at some point to the hungry pirate parlay. Hmm to the universe box real quick They are voting on how they want to wear. Perfect. It has to be black jerseys, but the team is voting for what they want for pant sock combo to be. You can do that. I guess. There's Jaguars.

They can do anything. Yeah. Each player voted for their favorite pants last. I don't. All right. They have to wear black jerseys. I think you gotta go all black. All black looks sick. All black or you gotta go all white bottoms. The top left looks too much like a Panthers. Yeah. That's the Panthers. Bottom right I hate. Yeah, bottom right and top left are bad. So it's all black or all white on the lower half.

One of those two. All black looks good. Okay, that was our Jersey talk for the week Vikings are good and also Doug Peterson Kind of a diss at Sam Donald. I would say so yeah, they asked why is Sam Donald turn around this year? And he just laughed he said Justin Jefferson, but also not totally untrue Yeah, I think it's it's very reasonable thing to say but it was coaches usually don't say stuff like that before games yeah they're usually like well he's playing very well Trevor Lawrence is gonna be pissed off Trevor Lawrence it's unfortunate he's not playing because he is one of the best quarterbacks against

the Blitz yeah you wouldn't know that but he's really really good for the last three seasons and that's obviously what Brian Flores is gonna do yeah Mack Jones against the Blitz I don't know I'm going to guess it's probably not great. Probably not. Probably not great. But is it better than normal Mac Jones? That's really what we have to ask. Yeah. Like is he better against the Blitz than he is not against the Blitz? I just hope if Mac Jones plays, we get one funny interception or fumble. Oh, you just for, just for throwback seek. Uh, okay. Okay afternoon games Titans at Chargers boys. This is a must-win for our Chargers future. I think we all agree. They got some tough games coming up

We're gonna talk about it with Ron Rivera, which was an awesome interview So make sure you listen but the Titans have the second worst special teams all-time only to the 2010 Chargers Mm-hmm. Which was the team that went first in offense, first in defense, last in special teams, and missed the playoffs at nine and seven. I think a lot of that is also baked into that Lions win. Yeah. Remember that when it was just.

No. I mean, we blocked a punt against them week one. Yeah, it's true. They've had some bad. And didn't the Jets run a punt back on him memes? Or at least to like the 20 yard line In the Titans Jets game giant Wasn't there a big special teams play? I want to say there was we blocked upon to you might have blocked upon

They're bad. No, we blocked upon we bought yeah, yeah, they're bad special We got 2010 Chargers special teams is like the by far the worst Yeah, they were so so bad that season so to even be compared to them, you know that they're bad Yeah, and they they like it's the weirdest stat that you had a team first and offense first and defense missed the playoffs But if you look back at their games You can point to like six games like oh if our special teams wasn't the worst we would have won this game Yeah, so the Titans are ranked first in total defense and they're ranked uh yards allowed I think. Yeah yeah in total defense and then also first and past defense. Yeah they're good defensively that's why I can't quit them. And they're allowing 26.6 points a game even though

they have the best defense. Short short fields. Yeah. Yeah uh I I'm nervous about this game for the Chargers because it does feel a little bit Like it's just gonna be a bully ball fest back and forth Yeah, so if you're doing a visualization for this game, it feels like maybe Chargers three nothing in the first quarter Yeah, and then they score a touchdown in the second quarter another field goal So now you're looking at 13 to 0 and then they score another field goal at the start of the third quarter. And then absolutely nothing happens after that. Yeah, they just run the ball, punt like 60% of the time, and go on one drive that's like eight minutes long, yep, and get zero

points. And they they end up winning 20 to zero. That feels right. I feel like you just said feels end up winning 20 to 0 that feels right I feel like you just said feels right maybe 20 to 7 yeah that feels right okay Eagles the Cowboys Dak hamstring torn off the bone I feel like they just added that part so everyone would be like oh he's actually hurt no when they when they had that part to me I think that sounds delicious. Hamstring off the bone. Steve Young, by the way, speaking of delicious, he said this week on his radio hit, the Cowboys are so freaking cooked, which is about as much as Steve Young would ever swear.

Again, it sounds like something I want to eat. Yeah. Max, are you nervous about this game? Cooper Rush? The only nervousness comes from like Yes, yes, I am nervous, okay, but it's because it seems too easy it does I've been a Brown is back at practice I've been saying everywhere that say Kwan's gonna run for 200 yards because I mean the Cowboys can't stop the run and It's just gonna be bully ball by the by the Eagles

So there's still something about playing Like at Jerry where it's Cooper Rush though. There's no way we can lose to Cooper So you guys beat Cooper Rush the last time you played him but Cooper Rush I think he won his first four games when he came in as a backup last time and if you're wondering like what peak Cowboys would be Is they is they're they're lower than you think that they can ever get right now. Like everyone's given up on the season. If Cooper Rush comes in and has the offense looking competent, that is actually peak cowboys. Yeah. When the backup quarterback that has like a third of the physical

tools that Dak Prescott has comes in, wins football games as Dak is very sadly recovering from Scrumptious sounding injury. Yes, that is that is Pete Cowboys right there. Yeah Fun Lane Johnson is a freak stat of the week. He's played in eight games this year and he's given up two pressures Not to sack. He's a pressure pressure pressures not sacks pressures I'm actually good here. One of those was a sack though. Okay, just just saying just us. Hey, that's good accountability Yeah, you yeah, we could have skated by on that. Yep. Yeah, that's me, you know hand up Max

So you think it's too easy, right? That's where it makes you scared correct. Would it be as easy as like Villanova beating an Ivy League team in basketball? There's no way we talk about college basketball on November 7th. I'm asking in a scale of easiness, when you're Villanova basketball, home of many national titles, and you see an Ivy League

school, not even a Princeton or Yale who's been to the tournament. You see Columbia, I thought they were playing a South American team. I thought there was an exhibition. I know. Is it that easy? I know how to tie this all around. Uh, during my thoughts last night, I'm going to, I love his brain. Like it's a TV. Yeah You sat down and turned it on You're like, all right. Here we go. Thoughts time. Thoughts time. I was having thoughts and I Won't I will I will not say a bad word about Nick Sariani for the rest of the year. What? Yeah, that's bullshit. I will not say a bad word about Nick Sariani for the that's as much

Bullshit as me saying I'm not gonna tell tell myself the Bears can be the Packers. You don't have to watch Kyle Neptune coach basketball. Well, I actually could. Do you think Kyle Neptune's a worse coach than Nick Sirianni? Without question. Oh. Without question. Why would you say that?

Have they lost this year? They lose to everyone. He has more... College basketball started? Who'd you guys play? Was it preseason? We lost the Columbia Columbia in two years and two games. Kyle Neptune has lost seven games to teams above 100 on the Ken Palm. Jay Wright lost to two in his last nine years coaching there. Seven

to two for four times as many years. Did you pay them? Yes, you paid you paid Columbia. Yes Oh my game. That's the epitome of brutality We pay our entire roster their roster pays to go to school Villanova's they should be a fortune 500 company Mm-hmm, and they're not but Okay Kyle that's the very coach before zone. It's November Fordham Who is like let's just

look up like what you went 500 at Fordham. But Kyle Neptune's like first game ever at Fordham. Who'd they play? I don't know. Let's just, I mean, I I'm trying to, I'm trying to spin this positively Fordham. What year did he start at Fordham? Uh, it was, he only coached her for one year. What year was it? It was, so pull up the sportum schedule from what year? If he started, I'm trying to do math, get that may get math done. So it would be in 2021. Okay. So pull up Fordham's 2021 schedule, 21, 22 season. He can turn this thing around. No, but this is three years in a row he lost a Portland his first year I lost a jail last year and he lost a

Game cuz you can get better dude. You can get better his first game at Fordham doesn't this is his first game at Fordham Let's see pull it up You go in the right way. I think wait. Yeah. Yeah, okay 20 wait. Oh, there's one. Oh, no, just stop right there. There's one. I saw it. I'm doing bad. November, right there. November... I'm doing bad. Keep going, keep going, keep going. There it is. November 9th, 2021, Fordham beat...

Oh, Columbia! Oh, no. Shit! So, okay, this is the bit that you were doing. That's such a coincidence. 9th 2021 Fordham beat oh Colombia So okay, this is the bit that's such a coincidence this was the bit that you're doing I did not know that's that That took so long way too long for Max to find it he beat Colombia his first game ever in Fordham shit He gave up 90 shots to Columbia at home. Shut up. 90 points. Shout out to A.W.O. Tag me in that tweet last night. He's like, hey, Max, don't worry.

Kyle Neptune, when he's first game at Fordham beat Columbia. 90 points at home to Columbia. So you're not going to say anything bad about Sirianni because now is so much work. He just needed Fordham's roster. It just makes me wonder like I

Like how can I be upset with Nick Sirianni for just continuing to win games? Perspective. When I root for a coach like Kyle Neptune. That's a really good perspective. Yeah, I like that. Incapable of winning. It looks like an A. I shouldn't be talking about Villanova about it They look like an AAU team that just showed up and met each other for the first time Like it looks like they've never played basketball together. And I don't want to hear the, every team in college basketball has brand new players because of the transfer portal. Figure it out.

Max, it's November, dude. Yeah, we're talking about football. Why are you doing this? You brought this up. You know how many people stop to listen to the podcast because you start talking about college basketball in early November? Sixers are tanking. Oh man. All right. So the Eagles. The Eagles. Quan got drug tested. college basketball in early November. Sixers are tanking.

Oh man. All right, so the Eagles. The Eagles. Kwon got drug tested. Oh he did? Yeah, after the back, the back. I don't know if they were testing him for PEDs or testing him for just stuff that'll fuck you up and make you think that it's a good idea

to jump over somebody backwards. Yeah. But either way, yeah, he pissed in a cup this week. I like the Eagles too, but again, I keep going back and thinking about Maximum Cowboys. And that would be to have Cooper Rush get in and look really good. Yeah, I'd agree with that.

Maximum Cowboys. Sounds like a movie I don't wanna watch. That's what I'm thinking. What did Skip call it? Supreme, this is Supreme Cowboys. Supreme Cowboys would be Cooper Rush getting in and winning by 10 points. Also shout out to our guy, Skip,

you got hacked on Tuesday night. That was tough. That was rough. That was really really really tough. The only Criticism I have of the hacker is you should have done the funny thing and started following people. Yeah, that would've been good Yeah, I really fucked with them. One of the funniest part. He changed his avatar to LeBron James. Oh, he did. That was great Yeah, that was good. Okay Jets at Cardinals. Memes? Must win? Must win, I'm now nervous that we're favorites. Oh.

Sunday we were plus one and now we're minus one and a half. Memes, I have some silver linings for you, okay? Trump, Donald Trump is now the president-elect he's going to be inaugurated on January 20th Woody Johnson might become the ambassador UK again and that means he can't fuck up your team anymore yeah but then we have Christopher Johnson well he's probably good is he related to woody brothers ah what about brick bricks probably gone ah he's gonna get unless we unless we go on a run I saw Joe Douglas said when they asked him about his job. He said whatever happens happens

That's a good perspective to have on it. Good vibes means. How do you feel about Malakai Corley? That was an asshole statement. Just be what he said he said he had over 200 plus touchdowns in his career Just his playing football career I? Don't I shouldn't worry about crossing the goal line This is the first time out of 200 times where he's dropped it before is he blaming the goal line what I don't understand You're saying He just has to cross six inches, and he'll be fun. He's just like that was out of character for me I don't drop the ball before you get hands on just no accountability They don't talk about all the parades that JFK was in that ended safely

You know, and I think that's a bit unfair to the Secret Service. Yeah I would agree all the all the challengers that didn't blow up. Yeah, we ended up getting to the moon. Yeah But yeah, Corley Corley is now he's your third your number three now that Williams is going to number two. Corley? Yeah. He'll be behind Xavier Gibson. Yeah, because Lazard's still hurt, right?

Yeah. I think the Jets will win this game. I think the Cardinals are a very good team. The Cardinals still are not outside of playing the Bears. They don't rush the passer great and Aaron Rodgers is still Aaron Rodgers when he has a clean pocket It's when he gets chased around that he looks like old Aaron Rodgers Aaron Rodgers still top five and everything right now, which is on top five and everything everything everything soberest

everything crystal ownership Crystal ownership. Yes, you see do Do you see that when they brought Devonte over and he like went live on the McAfee show and they were interviewing Devonte and he had just a stack of crystals behind him because he was in Aaron Rodgers house. The healing crystals. Vaccines. Not top five. Okay, so not top five in everything touchdowns top five yards top five completion percentage Not sure top five with that, but you are I mean we that was the third stat we gave you It's not a very common stat that wasn't that wasn't a we didn't really push you that hard there. What about wins? Top ten top ten and wins aFC. Okay, just so we're

clear he is not top 5 in touchdowns. He is 7th. He is not top 5 in yards. So none of that was true. He's not top 5 in completion percentage. What was I looking at? He is not top Guys, I think this is kind of a sad point and it took us this long to reach it But I think memes might be a Florio. I think he might be a Florio. Yeah, he's just not it's all fake news I was looking at completion percentage what number he is. I didn't say top five with that. What is it? But you said top five in everything we have not. He's 29th and you said he was top five. We know no, no, no We've yet to find a staff that he's top five in it rating. He's not top five QBR he's not top five

Maybe maybe rushing yards big cat Longest pass not top five yards per game not top five. Damn it. I must've looked at it before they updated. What did you look at? He's top seven. He's not top five in top 10. You looked at this after Thursday night football. Yes, you did. Yes, you did. Yes, you did. Yeah. He was top two then. Oh my God. Means he is literally not top five in a single stat. Oh, this is embarrassing All right back to the game we just have to stop the run Cardinals have a great are great at running the football. We are bad at stopping run Yeah, we just need to focus on stopping the run and I think the offense will be fine now that we have a top 10 passer

well, uh Top ten top easily top ten top ten easily top ten easily top ten in what stats is he top ten? now that we have a top 10 passer. What? Top 10. Top 10. Easily top 10. Top 10. Easily top 10. Easily top 10. In what stats is he top 10? Oh, I can't believe I fucked that up.

Is he actually top 10 in those stats? He is top 10 in yards and he's top 10 in touchdowns. He's top 10 in interceptions. It was just after the Thursday Night Football before the rest of the team played. That's exactly what he looked at. Is he top 10 in interceptions or lack of interceptions? No, interceptions he's top ten. He is nowhere... Oh, was it Monday Night Football?

He was nowhere close to top ten in completion percentage. He's 28th. Yeah, 28th. Pretty bad. Yeah. Wow. Okay. A lot of room for improvement. Just gotta stop the run. And I think we just gotta pick up momentum from Thursday Night Football and that second half Which is beautiful bring that in Sunday four o'clock. This is a tough game the Cardinals are good I'm not I I'm not sleeping on the Cardinals anymore. I there they've what won three in a row now

James Connors a beast which James Connors should be able to run the ball at will on you guys It's just whether your offense can get going there their pass rush is not good either. So yeah, Rogers could have time. Yeah. All right. Last game. Lions and Texans. I don't want to do it again, but I kind of want to take the Texans. I've just been against the Lions every night. Say I start every week with saying the Lions are the best team in the NFL. And then I'm like, ooh, three and a half at home for the Texans. Nico Collins might be back. Yeah, I'm gonna pass. Something weird, I mean the Texans wide receivers have been injured and they have not, there's not been a game where I've said to myself damn this Texas offense is in a rhythm right now. Yeah. And the Lions offense is always, they're never out of

rhythm. They're, they wake, they roll out of bed in rhythm. Yeah, so was it four, four points? Three and a half right now three and a half points I mean, it's a sucker bet. I feel like everybody's gonna be betting on the Lions in this game, especially Sunday night Sunday night Houston is wearing its battle red uniforms. Ooh battle reds are out Which is which is cool. I think it's cool for a Sunday night game the reflective red helmets I don't know what the Lions are are they gonna be wearing their blues? No, that'd be color rush, right? So they can't do that. Yeah. Nonetheless, I still think that I'm gonna continue to bet on the lions. Yeah, I think I'm gonna join you because I don't want to be an idiot anymore. I

feel like an idiot every single time. But if there was a time the Texans would maybe bounce back, would it be this? I mean, this is it's a good time for everyone else to bet on the Texans. I'm going to be betting on the Lions because I'm a sucker and I'm maybe the most public person in terms of like just finding these sucker lines and going for him.

Texans defensive line getting after Jared. But Jared so good. Doesn't matter. Yeah, doesn't matter. Yeah, I think he's on pace right now to have the highest completion percentage in NFL history. I think that's Aaron Rodgers Oh, yeah, that's true. Well Jared's top five Which a brutal top five number one is Five in every yeah, that was that was I love the confidence with which you said it to everything and it took about

That was I love the confidence with which you said it to everything and it took about two seconds Going from everything to nothing nothing We couldn't even find one without a single one every Five top ten he stopped every your memes you are a floria Yeah, just spreading fake news the other way you either die of memes or you live long enough to become a floria. Oh, I'm Italian Yeah, you are Italian Italian It's okay memes. All right, uh, can we win a TD parlay?

Can we do it? Who's up? I think we all fucked up last fucked up. I think we all lost Josh Allen Not me. Oh you had take one. You Kwan Kwan all right so max stays in Do you want to hop in for me Hank? Do you have someone you love? No he doesn't okay his brain froze Bichon yeah, he's on Robinson. Yeah Yeah, Jane Daniels Robinson. Yeah. Yeah. Jayden Daniels.

Are you sure? Yeah. I think he's going to be, TJ is going to be chasing him. He's going to scram out of the pocket score. I'm scared. I'm scared of TJ Watt. I am. Don't do the stupid thing where you don't have anybody block TJ and let him run right down the line of scrimmage and easily make a tackle in the backfield. Don't do that. He's too fast to do that. Stop doing that. Don't do that. He's too fast to do that. Stop doing that. Don't do that. Okay, so it's Jaden Daniels.

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It's bad. That's bad. So I'm a game and a half back of all yeah, basically everyone. That's bad, but it is second and fourth Okay, who's up first Henry Henry? Henry I'm going to take the gun der You're gonna take the gun der forty and a half in the German is Panthers Munich okay the Munder the Munder okay I'm gonna take the Jets minus one and a half Jets minus one and a half I am going to take the Titans Chargers under 39. Oh, I love that

I love that I love love love that I'm going to take the Vikings minus seven over the jackwires. Okay. I am going to take the box Niners over 50 and a half. And then I have another pick I am going to take. Man, I don't't like this I don't like the board I'll take the Steelers plus three fuck you sorry I think that feels like a field goal game it does it feels like a good pick too for Mike Tom yeah it feels like a field goal game I'm going to take the over in Philadelphia Dallas 43 points rush Cooper rush rush

I'm all I'm all scram that was you just didn't think there's any chance no well I thought I was like there's no way PFT is gonna take it. Yeah, that's why I took the would you have taken that under? Which one the Chargers tight Chargers tight? Yes, I would have okay that that makes me feel a little bit not oh shit I hate you at the not I don't think I've ever picked an under take Villanova minus eleven and a half against who pfd Columbia oh they'll find going to talk to national team the Ivy League school fuck it give me Broncos plus seven and a half okay I like that Oh Nick's is that yeah yeah okay I'm gonna take the Monday night football over 50 that line by the way makes no sense to me the Rams why

are the Rams only one point favorite I feel like that's the easiest bet in the world but it's just wrong I guess because the Dolphins look pretty good against the Bills. Yeah, I just I'm wrong. I know that I'm wrong I'm gonna end up betting the Rams and it's gonna be wrong. Yeah, I'll be taking the New England Patriots plus six against these Chicago Bears Okay Okay Good picks boys Let's do Fantasy fuck boys before we get to Ron Rivera.

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Bronte James. He just got designated to the G League. Oh, sent down. What a career my good friend Bronte had. Had a bucket. We'll never, we'll never forget brawny had had a bucket will never will never forget What happened had a pocket played with his dad? Gotta be D'Angelo Russell's fault. Yeah, I'm probably D'Angelo Russell's fault and then my sleeper is maxi Tyrese maxi. Hmm. Is he okay? Oh

No, no, he's not. Okay. What happened? This is like days. I do it. Don't worry. It's November I'm sitting basketball season out this Okay, man Is he okay? To my boy they massacred my boy It's November. What's up? What's up? You fucks. It's Darren Rizzi. Hey, what's up coach? Coach the New Orleans Saints when I give you go the Riz-tays. My stardom is locker rooms I switched it up this week. I got it all set up all the guys sit with each other

We're gonna win a game against the Falcons. I love that. Yeah, my sitem is Providence basketball They banned Don the Duck from Providence from the stadium.'s fucked up no more Don the Duck the duck hashtag the duck hashtag the duck free the duck quit ducking the duck don't do that is it a real live duck it's a real fucking duck bring the duck back don't we stand with the duck and my sleeper is Columbia basketball they're looking good this year they might be a diaper dandy real New York City team yeah yeah yeah you know what they say about New York City point guards if you don't like it just wait five minutes oh no I say they're good oh yeah yeah wait what happened to Tyrese Maxey hamstring ah But Paul George is back. He sucks. Is Max you going to miss what? A couple of games? Who could have seen that coming?

He's like three weeks. Three weeks? Sucks. I think I think it's going to be the Brooklyn net situation. None of them are going to play together. Or do you? It would be funny if the NBA investigated Tyrese Max. It also comes back next week. What if it's what if it's just the entire season of load management for Unbeat? No Unbeat's playing on Tuesday against the Knicks.

But I'm saying if you don't make the playoffs, just an entire season of it. We don't have a first round pick this year unless it lands in the top six. Okay, Cooper flag. Process. We could be on the flag watch. Are you doing the process again? We could be doing the process again. What if you just did a mini process? Just one year of the process. Try and get Cooper take a break. Yeah. I'm I'm like down to like just not get upset about basketball.

Now I can tell you're not upset at all about that. I know I thought about that. I was that during your thoughts. Those were I had some thoughts last night I had plenty of thoughts and I thought about like what if I just like both of my basketball teams are just really bad that I just don't even get upset about them but I'm gonna so wait so they're gonna get in bead back at the same time that maxi is gone and then in beads gonna have to play harder because maxi's not there correct and what are the be. And what are the odds, be honest Max, what are the odds that Embiid starts in that first game that Maxie comes back? I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. So one of them will be hurt. But one of Embiid or Paul George will be hurt by the time that Maxie comes back. I don't think any of them. We're not gonna have a game where all three of them play. No. No. it's November. No Okay, are you talking about basketball? Should we get to our interview with coach Ron Rivera because it was a great one

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Like, it's gotta feel weird, I'm sure. Oh, it feels real weird, it really does. You know, it's funny, the first couple of months is great, I'm playing golf, I'm getting out there traveling with the wife, doing all these things, but then month know, it's funny, the first couple of months it's great, I'm playing golf, I'm getting out there traveling with the wife, doing all these things. But then month four, it's like, damn, the draft is coming up, mini camps, OTA. I mean, you start thinking about those things.

Yeah. You know, and then you get into the off season where they finish OTAs, they finish mini camps. So now it's like, okay, this is downtime. So now I'm on trips again, doing all that stuff. And then all of a sudden end of July hits and started training camp. And that's really when I started to feel it again. You get the itch.

Yeah, you do. But I am looking at it from a different lens. I'm looking at it as a, as a commentator. Now I'm doing some stuff for, uh, for the NFL network. I'm doing some stuff for Westwood one and, uh, sports USA covering games, doing it on radio. So that's been a lot of fun. I've actually had a great time doing it that way, but I've stayed engaged with what's going

on in the league. I've tried to map out some trends that you see. I've tried to look into the analytics, understand that stuff even more. And it's been real interesting, really has. And I bet Sundays, Sundays are a lot different for you. Do you like Sundays? Like getting to sit down on your couch, watch every single game? So the first Sunday ever, I watched like nine hours of football.

Yeah. It's awesome. Isn't it? It's the best. It sucked. You know, cause it's too much. No, it really was. It was way too much.

Yeah. Yeah. You can't handle all the football. You couldn't. We're football guys. too much. You can't handle all the football. No you couldn't. We're football guys. I looked at my wife after the afternoon games before the evening game and I said I'll be right back. She goes where you going? I said for a walk. I said Stephanie I've been inside for eight hours watching football. I said I've eaten so much junk food. I sit there and I've drank you know beer. I mean I'm not

and I drank, you know, beer. I mean, I'm not that's that's not, but I did all those things and and and I just felt I felt like a lump on a log. Yeah. So I went out and I just walked for about two and a half, three miles, came back and watched the last game of the night. You're not in game shape like us. You're not ready for it. We do that. And we do that every single Sunday. Oh, my God. We just sit there for 12 hours and watch every single game. There's no way. I was wore out.

I really was. But it has been interesting because when I do the TV show for Good Morning Football or I do the radio stuff, the one thing that everybody tells me is when you leave, when you're done, nobody's going to criticize. Yeah. Yeah. It's a fact. You don't have the second guessers.

There's no TV show that comes on after your TV show to be like, what was Ron Rivera thinking here in block two? Yeah. I know. I know. Should we use the timeout? It's interesting as hell. It really is. Yeah. When you were coaching, were you, did you ever have a guy who was basically standing next to you? It was like, Hey, here's when to use a timeout. Here's not. Because that's, that's my favorite part about being a fan is we don't know football like any of these coaches but if you screw up a timeout or you screw up a fourth down decision that's one we can point to and be like what the hell was he thinking what you do is for the most part is i had a checklist okay and and and it's one of those things that mike shanahan

when he was rolling and won his back-to-back Super Bowls, he did this article in USA Today and they talked about this checklist that he used to have. He used to go through just before game time and I read the article, I copied it down, I wrote it down and then I made it mine. I kind of came up some other things that I wanted and I put on this list and I would go through this checklist and one of the things I always talked about was, hey who's who was going to help me with the timeouts? Which coach did I have talk to me about the timeouts? Who had that chart for the two point conversion?

Yeah. And then who was watching upstairs to whether or not I should challenge or not? So what we started was we came up with some of our coaches that we felt were really good with that. And we would have this meeting every Friday, and we would go through these conversations of, hey, we get down to the fourth quarter, who's got the timeouts? Who's

got this? Who's got the two points? All right, this is what we want to do. And so we would go through what the situation could potentially be. So that if it did come up, we were we were prepared, and we knew how we wanted to handle it. Yeah, yeah, that's fascinating to me. Because they have two years of playing Madden and watching sports on TV, the fan feels like they know that game management part. And there's a lot going on during the game for a coach too, so it's probably, it shouldn't

be on their shoulders to know exactly what to do and when to do it. And then what's kind of infiltrated our game has been the use of analytics. Yeah. You know, and it's crazy because there's certain aspects of the game that are not measurable. Okay? And there are some aspects of the game people don't believe in. It's crazy because people that truly believe in numbers, pure analytics, do not believe in momentum.

Okay? Don't believe in the emotional part of the game. There's an emotion that goes throughout a player's body, throughout a player's mind, and the fans can impact that. They can change it. Okay, with the way they cheer, the way they react. I mean, this is not measurable. Yeah. And so people that truly believe in numbers don't understand how you can sit there and say, well, momentum has taken over. Yeah, I think there's definitely a big place for analytics in the game But you also need to take that into account with what scenario you're dealing with and a coach that understands the flow of the game And understands what his players are feeling and thinking and understands, you know He knows his team better than anybody else does so, you know What your defense can do if you choose to go for and forth and you don't get it It's it's a big conversation that's kind of all we've together

You are famously now known as analytical Ron. Yeah. No more riverboat Ron, right? No. I want to tell you the story of riverboat Ron. Okay. Okay. So my first two years, I had this crazy record of being three in 13 of games the size of my score or less. And at the end of my second year, I sit down with the previous owner, with Jerry Richardson, and we would go with the previous owner, Jerry Richardson, and we would go through the previous season, talk about what happened, how things went. We would go through each game, talk about what went on each game, how things were. I spent a whole day with him going through all this stuff.

And when I finished up, I said to him, I said, you know, Mr. Richardson, one thing I want to talk to you about is I want to reach out I think I need a mentor one things I didn't do on my original staff was I didn't have a previous head coach on My staff NFL head coach that could sit there and help me work through some things and You know, and he kind of started to chuckle and he goes Takes us I tried to show you while we're on the radio. I said, he pulls this index card out and he says, read this and he slides it across to me.

I turned it over, it was John Madden. It was his number. He was thinking the same way I was, cause I was gonna say to him, I wanna call John Madden, Coach Madden and talk to him. And he had thought the same thing. He said, and he looks at me and goes, he's expecting your call. Oh my god.

So I call Coach Madden, we start talking. I said, I'd love to come out and visit with you. He said, great, great. He says, let's plan for early March. And I said, great. I'd love to do it then. He said, hey, I understand you were three and 13 in games decided by a score or less.

I said, yes, sir. He goes, why don't you go back and look at those? See if there's something you could have done different. I said, okay, great. And you saw me today. Yeah, yeah. I wrote a 20 page report. I watched those 13 games and I wrote up some things about what we could have done and what

should have happened and my decisions that were made and why. So I go out to see him. I go out to Pleasanton, California where he had his headquarters for Madden for the game and all that stuff. It was called Red Bear Ventures. So I go to his office. We sit down, we start talking, and he paid homage to the Raiders. Everything was silver and black. He had all kinds of memorabilia. He had a seven-man crowd there sled in his parking lot. I remember that, yeah.

Yes, he did. So I went and saw him, we started talking. And I said, oh, I got this report for you that I did. What report? Well, the one you told me about the 13 games. He goes, that is not for me, that's for you. What'd you learn? I said, well, I said, well, you know,

and I opened it up, I said, well, like this one. You know, we were up by three, and, excuse me, I said, we were up by two, and you know and I opened it up I said well like this one you know we were up by three and I was shooting I said we were up by two and you know and I thought you know if we get the if we kick the field goal you know they got a score touchdown to beat us and but they did he says yeah exactly what could you have done I said well could have gone for it yeah he said exactly why don't you go for it I said well you know kicked Phil I mean I didn't think he think he said, he said, Ron, he said, think about these things. I said, well, you know, and then this one I punted and, you know, it was fourth and

one and I, you know, he said, Ron, you know enough football, you've done enough football to do these things. You know, when's the right time to do it. He said, nobody else, nobody else does. You do, you've done it. And at that point, what he made me do is realize, you know I said to him I said, you know, I was going by the book. He said what book? And maybe I said well, you know you punded when you should punt and kick in else

I realized I was doing what was safe. Yeah, what was acceptable because back then nobody went for it on four. Mm-hmm Yeah, and he was right. Yeah, so the next year we were playing the Giants at home and And he was right. Yeah. So the next year, we were playing the Giants at home. And in the first drive, I went for it on fourth down twice. In fact, the last one was fourth and goal. And we converted, scored the touchdown. And then I did it again in the game.

So then another week later, we were playing Minnesota and Minnesota. And I went for it three times in that game. In fact, the first time we scored, it was fourth fourth and three and Mike Schuller called a shovel pass and we scored. And so we're winning, you know, we win the game. After the game, local media's, you know, they're interviewing some of the Panther fans and, oh, that's great, yeah, coach is doing, oh, that's amazing, it's great. To get to this one guy says, boy, that old Ron Rivera, man, he's just like a riverboat gambler out there.

He's making decisions on Fort Down. I mean, that's something. He's gambling out there. I mean, oh, riverboat Ron, I'm telling you. And that's how it started. That's great. And you also had maybe the best fourth down, or at least the best short yardage option maybe of all time in the NFL with Cam Newton.

Yeah. So if you're fourth and three, fourth and two, just send Cam, and he's going to run some people over. We were like 95 or 96% conversion rate with him. And I can remember one time I went and did it with Kyle Allen back there and we got stopped and somebody said, what happened? I said we were about three inches and 35 pounds shorter. 35 pounds shorter. Yeah. Yeah. And it's interesting because there is no book, but you actually made a book. Like 20 pages. I consider that to be a book. Oh yeah. I would have, I would have been upset. I would have been like, coach, can you just read my report? You don't have to read it. Just look at it and then just give me a grade. Yeah. Whenever you feel like I did this 20 page report here for you. Well, I'll tell you what, he gave me great advice.

He really did. And for that point on that, that's why I looked at it. That's why I looked at things. That's awesome. I love the stories of like the evolution of coaches and how they get to these points because that's like coaching more than anything is like you always have to be adapting and learning and that's what the best coaches do. Well, it's kind of interesting now. It's kind of gone the other way. There is actually a book now. Yeah. And if you go by those numbers purely, they're going to sit there and say, that's right, you went by the numbers. I mean, I did a thing last, well, my last year we were playing Dallas in Dallas and it was a close game. It had been a close game. We get into the early parts of the fourth quarter. It was fourth and two. We had just crossed over the midfield. We were on, I think think their 47 and I went for it. But before

I went for it, my thought was, man, we can punt it down there, trap them. We've been playing great defense all day. Force them on a three and out, get the ball back right here. And I hear the numbers say go for it. I thought about it and I went for it. We got stopped. And the next thing you know, it was three plays they scored. And then it was over. That's momentum. Yeah.

It was over. We couldn't do anything about it. That's exactly what happened. We created the momentum for them by having gotten stopped at midfield. Yeah. I remember that game. I am a commanders fan. So I remember almost every game that you coached in.

Did I get criticized for that? I don't think so. Because I think at that point it was like, you got to try something. You got to be aggressive. You got to go for it. Send a good message to your team. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. You don't get criticized as much. But think about if, because we played good defense all day until that series. We punted down there. Go three and out and then they got to put it back to us. There is one thing I did criticize you for that I feel like I should bring up because looking back on it, it's a very funny sequence that happened.

Do you remember this is like the Sean McVay test, like how many plays do you remember off the top of your head? Do you remember there being four minutes, 44 seconds left in the fourth quarter against the Rams down 14 points? Do you remember that? Ball on the one yard line. And then I think by the time we got done with that possession, I think there was like, I don't know, 30 seconds left. They could take a knee. And I think it took us like four minutes to score a touchdown because every single play, the play clock got down to like

Three two or one second left before we we snapped the ball. Mm-hmm What was going on what was going on in the head of yours? And then my let's go with this pick up his tempo this tempo is guys we got it Sometimes trying to be too perfect as play callers We do that and so you're trying to make sure you have the right play, the right sequence, you know what I'm saying? And you want guys to just, hey, sometimes you just gotta wing it.

Fun side note on that one, I think it was the longest time ever to expire off of a game clock to get one yard and a touchdown. I believe in NFL history, but then the thing that I did criticize you for on that one was it's an analytical thing. So it's a numbers test. You're down by 14, you score a touchdown. Do you go for two? No, I don't believe in it. The problem with it is what happens if you don't? Well then you have to go for two next time. Yeah, you go go for two the next time.

Right, you kick it and go for two the next time. Well, so yeah, so if you don't get the two-point conversion, then you're down by eight points. Right, but what happens what happens to your momentum? Well, you still have to score another touchdown. I know but what happens to your momentum? Yeah, I I don't know. So you just you just killed the momentum you got by scoring that touchdown. You think if you don't get a two-point conversion? What's wrong with putting it all on the line the very last play of the game? You would go for two at the last play of the game. I'm okay with that. Like when we watched Todd Bowles the other day in the Bucs Chiefs matchup.

Against Kansas City. You're on the road. You're playing a much better, healthier team. Nobody expected you to win. Go for it and end the game right there. Don't put the ball in Patrick Mahomes hands in overtime. Right and I think that's part of your thought process when you get into games like that is who's their quarterback? Yeah. Okay. What can I do to have you know

have things happen, make things work and if it is against a Patrick Mahomes I'm going for two at the end of the game. Yeah. Okay, and I'll look at that thing. And that checklist is one of the things that's on it. Who's the quarterback? Yeah. Okay, but underneath it, I put things to consider. How are we playing defensively?

I'll tell you a great story. We were playing in 2013, first time we were in the division in like seven years. Okay, and I just got there, this was my third season. We're playing the New Orleans Saints at home. Okay our punter had been kicking the ball great all day. Been pinning them inside the 20 just killing them just doing a great job defensively it was a low scoring game so we were playing very well against Sean Payton's offense and I thought man if we can punt it down there get it inside the 15 to 10, go three and out,

man, we'll be right back at midfield. So I punt it, okay, I punt it. One of my best friends in the world, Tom, I can't tell you his last name, but Tom calls me. Brady? No, calls me. Coughlin. Calls me, okay, while the game is happening and says,

Ron, what are you doing? You'll never get the ball back. Now my phone's inside my locker. Okay, no, no. It's inside my locker. Okay. Okay. What are you doing? You'll never get the ball back. I can't. And he hangs up. Okay. Three and out. They punt to us. We get the ball. Score the touch and I win the game. Okay? I was getting killed. I was getting killed on TV by it. Yeah. Okay? So, I finished the game. I go into my locker and my phone is just blowing up. I go, what the hell? So I look at it. I see my friend's name. I said, let me listen to it. So I listened to it. What are you doing? You'll never get the ball back. I can't, I can't believe he did. He hangs up. Then all of a sudden there's another one from him.

Disregard that last message. Oh man, Tom Coughlin was wrong. No, it wasn't Coach Coughlin. It wasn't Coach Coughlin. But the point being is that sometimes you have to look at it and say, this is the right thing to do, which it was because we were playing good defense. Our punter was on, spot on. And so I, I, I took the shot. Yeah. All that other stuff does make a difference.

You can't just go by the numbers. Right. It really doesn't. I think the numbers help a lot. Right. But, but, but, but think about it. Sean Payton, you know, your court drew your quarterback. I mean, come on, you know, you give him the ball midfield,

he's going to get into field goal range. Yeah. Yeah. You know, now it's a different game. Yeah. Now you're down two scores. As a, as a Washington football slash commanders fan, I saw you go into that franchise and what I felt, at least for the last 25 years, has been basically an unwinnable situation with all the chaos and your first like three seasons, there were so many off the field storylines that happened that-

There's too many. It was just chaos for you. And I firmly felt that it's a raw deal for anybody to walk in that environment. Added onto all that stuff on top of it, you kind of had to oversee a name change to the team. What was that process like? Was it Dan being like, we're going to call him the commanders and I'm going to put a

camera in your face and be like, hey, yeah, good name. It was very structured. No, no, they really did do a good job doing all the marketing research, trying to figure it out. First of all, as soon as they found out there was gonna be a name change, you should have seen how many people claim the names that were out there.

Oh yeah. Red Wolves was claimed, Red Tails was claimed. Just go on down the list. People kept getting the copyrights to all this stuff. Trademarks to all this stuff. And so people were jacking prices up and just basically holding them for ransom. But anyways, what they did, what the organization did was they went out and they hired a marketing firm that came up with a number of different names.

And then they started interviewing alumni. They interviewed fans, people throughout the league to get their opinion on things. And then they came down, people throughout the league to get their opinion on things and then they came down with what were the top 10 and then they brought them to me and gave me an opportunity to look at them and tell me which ones did I like the most and which ones you know. I really like the Warriors because of the Native but the whole point was to get away from being Native. Well Warrior, hey no because of the soldiers, the military yeah I mean that was a big part of it the military reasoning behind it that's why how they came up with

commanders yeah you know because you think of all the way from George Washington you know all the way Schwarzkopf I mean to all these great military leaders that were in DC yeah yeah these were the people that they also wanted to pay tribute to and I think that was a big part of it and and Around about way of keeping the the native Emblem involved. Yeah, we'll get back to coach Ron Rivera in a second He's brought to you by Coors Light no matter what happens between your favorite rivals this week You've got a chance to win just go to the PMT Instagram

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You know and and he was somebody that was really truly a fan. He loved everything about the Redskins he really did and I think that was one of the things that drove him to become the owner of the Redskins was that this was his chance He loved everything about him, but he was very emotional about it and really got vested in it and wanted to win, but didn't quite understand how to go about it. And he was trying to find the right way to do it. And there were too many outside interferences to get it done the way you wanted it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it makes sense.

It was a mess. Yeah, the off the field stuff in DC for years was like, it's hard to focus on winning football games when you have to deal with lawsuits, stadium breaking down. But where it really became a hassle was it infiltrated the locker room. Okay? And every time something came up, I would plead with the media to, hey, just stick with me, ask me the question. Don't ask the players. You know, I got mad a couple times.

I said, why do you wanna go and ask these guys? These guys weren't here when it happened. Yeah. So why are we asking them? You know, let's, you know, and I, so I came up with this, hey, let's talk about what's important, not what's interesting, okay?

What's interesting is all that. What's important is what we do on the football field. I'm not saying what happened to these people is not important. I'm just saying for us, for what we do in our lives, is football. Let's stay focused on that. That was my battle every day,

was when something came up every day. Every day I had to deal with it. So you also in your travels, you've been part of basically the only time the Bears have been good when they obviously won the Super Bowl in 85 and then went to the Super Bowl in 06 as defensive coordinator. What was it about Buddy Ryan? What's your best Buddy Ryan story? I mean, I love, I think there's a thing in Chicago where it's a little too much talk about 85 bears because we haven't

had anything else to talk about. I've got to move on. But whenever I hear a Buddy Ryan or a Dicka story, they're always the best. So what was it about Buddy or what was the story that encapsulates Buddy? You know, Buddy had this way of tearing things down to build it back up. And he really did. I mean, he got on you and he wanted to make sure you understood that we were not going to be the reason we didn't win. We were going to be the best and that was it. And he pushed people. He pushed us. He really did. He got after us, and if you didn't,

if you couldn't keep the personal side separate, you took it two person. Okay, and I understood and I got it right away because I grew up in a military family, and so you know, you've seen it, you've seen drill sergeants get on people. Shoot, I was walking down the street as a kid one day and this lieutenant colonel stops his car and starts yelling at all of us.

Next thing you know we're lined up shoulder by shoulder, we're walking down the street, we're picking up garbage, putting in a garbage can, okay? And then he says, well I'm gonna take all your kids name and I'll call your parents. So you know you run home and you so you tell your parents, hey you know Colonel Smith he pulled us over and had us do this this this and this and we really weren't doing anything wrong daddy's and we starts laughing I said that was so funny goes the Colonel just wanted you to clean up the park yeah it's not personal yeah it's just yeah and so then also you realize that there's a reason why you're

being told to do things that you don't want to do yeah you know and it makes sense but for me, personally with Buddy, and I'm forever grateful to him for this. So my rookie year, Buddy used to stand behind defense about 35, 40 yards back, and he would watch the plays. And the way we used to do offense defense, it was 22, 24, 25 plays in a row for offense, then 22, 24, 25 plays for defense.

So Buddy would stand back there and he would just signal the plays into Mike Singletary and then Mike would call the defense and we'd take our snaps and go through it for 24 straight plays. So one day, probably about my third or fourth week in the league during the regular season, I hear this, Chico!

My nickname was Chico Chico so I said yeah so I go running back there he doesn't say anything just points so I stand next to him I don't he doesn't say a word to me for for a couple plays so then he signals in he goes what's the call so well you just signaled 46 puts the formation he said okay good he said alright formation what's what's the call? I said, oh you want to run samurai? He says, why do I want to run samurai? Samurai was Mike Singletary blitzing straight down the gut. I said, why do you want, well you want Mike to blitz inside because

the two backs are in a split formation because they're in a split formation they're probably going to go fast out into the flats and there will be nobody to pick Mike up and he can get pressure on the quarterback. All right, you're paying attention to meetings. So that's what would happen. He'd ask me questions. He said you know I'm calling his defenses. Yeah you want Otis to jam the crap out of the tight end so he doesn't get a free release. That's why we're in an under front. He said good good good. And he kept testing me, asking me these questions. Before I realized it he was training me. He was teaching me. So you

know I finally get a chance to go in and play a game and it was against Detroit in Detroit. Mike gets hurt just before the half. I came and played the second half for Mike and we win the game. I played pretty well. I actually got a scoop and score. Dent sat cause fault, no, there was a swing pass. Dent hit the guy, the guy fumbled it. I scooped it up and scored. But the point being this is that he was preparing me for an opportunity to play.

So when I finally got my opportunity to play, I was ready to go. Buddy had this great way of making you feel like, now Chico, when you go in there, if you screw up and you use the F-bomb on me, I will pull your ass out so fast you wouldn't know what happened. So I went out there and I mean I was, you know, I didn't want to make a mistake. Yeah, he set the expectations. I would assume too like that ability to teach you and have

you comfortable where you could play free. Because that's the teams that play free. You play fast. Yeah, right. You play fast. It's exactly what he did. Yeah, right you play fast is exactly what he did He wanted us to play fast and he always talked about playing fast But he was but I mean just the way that I was getting this education standing back there with him watching as things were happening It was amazing. That's awesome. And I You know, we people should watch a pro football show that's coming out. So this is coming out on Friday

So tonight pro football show will also be out which was great So we went through every game I did bring up one bad thing that I wanted to get a little more on because we kind of moved past it But you were part of the 2010 Chargers The number one offense number one defense the worst special teams of all time nine and seven. What does it do to a team? I feel like fans we forget special teams and we don't really everyone knows it but it's like oh until there's a missed kick Then you start talking about it What does it do for a team when your special teams is costing you games in that way? And you're like we just have to keep going out there because that was an incredible team that should have been in the playoffs

It was but it was very deflating and the thing that you have to look at is what caused it What caused it was there were several major injuries. And so the next man up mentality was guys off the special teams. So now these guys are in full-time roles and so now you where does where your special teams guy come from? Yeah. It comes from the street and he's not as good as the guys that have been playing. So now that special teams coach has to retrain a group of guys that he's not familiar with. And that year we had a number of injuries where we were just putting guys, plugging guys in,

and next thing you know, guys that were defensive ends or outside linebackers that were running down our kickoff, now they're getting opportunities to play. Just this year, Sean Merriman got hurt. Yeah. And so we had to take a guy and plug him in to play for us. And he was a big loss. Yeah.

So when you lose guys that were a big impact for it, it happens. But it's very deflating. Yeah. Did you ever think about just kicking it out of bounds every time? Well. Even on kickoffs, just be like, we'll just take the.

Yeah, that was a tough one. I mean, no, I know exactly what you said. There was some tough. And you would expect that we'd be able to get through it. And unfortunately, we didn't. And it did show. Got punts, block, return for touchdowns, punts, return for touchdowns. I mean, that was tough on it. It really was. It was a hard thing. Yeah. And it was, you know, previously you were with, you know, the Bears and Devin Hester. Did you count, as a defensive coordinator, do you count special teams like punt returns as a touchdown for the defense? Because I kind of do. The league does. Yeah, that should be your touchdown. That impacts you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because like we did our job and Devin Hester's an extension of the defense here. Yeah, so that's crazy. I'll tell you a great story. So my first year in the league as a head coach we're playing

against the Bears and my special teams coach comes to me and says look this is the plan we use when I was with this other team we would mortar the kick away from Devin as high as we could 35 45 yards we just accepted the fact that the balls only go 35 to 45 yards we We're not going to put that kind of pressure covering him coach. I loved it. I thought it was a great idea. We could eliminate Devin. Well, our kicker wasn't, our punter wasn't all in. He was worried about his average. Yeah, and his next contract. Right. And he's going, hey, I can angle kick it away from him. I can directional kick it away from him I can directional you know kick it out of bounds make it but I can get it out there I said look I like the plan we

could control what happens we can kick it high and if it's 35 yards that's me I'll accept that mm-hmm okay but we're gonna over the top mortar kick it just like the Aussies do with that backspin. So we get in the game. Very first one, he kicks a line drive. And one second Devin was over here, the next second he was crossing the goal line. Yeah. And I lost it.

I went over there and I said, if that ball is not mortar kicked high, we will have an issue. So after the game, we lose by seven. Yep. Or six, whatever it was, but we lost because of the return We had a chance to win that game so as The media does I'm getting killed

Ron you were here. Why would you you watch it? Why would you kick it to him? I said look we had a plan unfortunately we didn't we didn't execute the plan the way we wanted to And that's the truth. Yeah. Okay? So, I never read the paper when I was a coach. I never, and I very rarely ever listen to any broadcasts. So, I'm getting ready for my team meeting the next Monday morning and my wife calls.

I think you need to look at the paper. I said, what are you talking about? She says, just read it. So I find you need to look at the paper. I said, what are you talking about? She says, just read it. So I find the article, I read the article. And they had gone to a player and said to the player, said, you know, why would you guys kick them, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And the player says, well, you know, what we did last year was good, it worked. I said, what you did last year worked. That was it. I had this presentation all set to you know, no I walked into that meeting room and every player was seated and I said you know I fell on the sword. I took the brunt of it okay. I accepted the blame on kicking the ball to Devin Hester. That was not the plan. The plan was not that. I took the brunt of it. Okay. I accepted the blame on kicking the ball to Devin Hester. That was not the plan. Plan was not that. I said, but somebody told me what you did last year was good enough. If being two and 14 is good enough

for you, you're not on my football team. I don't need people like that. I need people that want to aspire to be better than that. If we're not going to do the things that were asked, you don't belong here. And I threw the paper down and walked out. Wow. Yeah. So Devin Hester and then the turnaround starts. So Devin Hester, that moment was probably pretty galvanizing for all the guys to buy in. Well, for those who didn't buy in, it sure wasn't. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Those that did buy in did believe in what we were trying to do. What happens is when

you go to a team, you got to get past what I say is, here we go again. Okay? We can't always fall back to what I used to do. Because if what you used to do is what got the other guy fired, we're not going to do. Okay? We're going to go out and we're going to find the right way to do it, and we're going to do it the right way. A lot of things that I tried to do were the things that I had learned from Mike Dicke, Buddy Ryan, North Turner, Andy Reed, and Lovey Smith. Okay. Everybody there was successful. And they had a plan and they did things the right way. Yeah, I like I like hearing you fired up like that. Yeah, like we just got our ass chewed out. Yeah, I want to be like, sorry, I'm sorry to be all in. I'm sorry that they punted to death master coach. Yeah, yeah. Have you ever like chewed you guys ass out too bad and you have to like walk it back be like, maybe I went overboard on that. I did. I did. And and and the biggest thing is that I felt I did it happened in, was I apologized in front of the whole team. I said, first of all, whenever I get mad at you guys, please don't ever think it's personal, okay? And if you ever do feel it's personal, please come see me. All right? I did it one time as a coordinator too,

and did it to a very good football player too, who didn't talk to me the rest of the day. And so I asked him to come into my office and he did. And we started to talk and that's when I, that happened before I became a head coach and that's when I realized it appeared and it seemed personal. So I got in front of the guys and I apologized

when I was the defense coordinator of the Chargers to the whole group and to the players specifically. Then when I did it in Carolina, it was, you know, and it cost us a game, but it seemed personal. And it should not have seemed or felt personal in my opinion. So at that point, I have to apologize. Yeah.

In Carolina, when Cam Newton would text you, would he send you the text in that weird font? Yeah, yes. First time he saw that, you were like, what the hell is it? Is he hieroglyphic? Yeah, basically, it was and I was trying to read it and understand it. I'm gonna tell you what, that was one of the greatest competitors I've ever been around. It really is. I

mean, he he he did things the way you should do them. When you're on that football field. And you're in those meetings. That's how you do things. It was tremendous. I remember one time, I'll never forget, I walked into the quarterback meeting room, Mike Shula running the meetings, and Cam was upside down on his chair. He was leaned over and watching it like this,

and I'm sitting there, and I didn't say a word. So they finished the meetings without the practice and Coach Schuyler comes up to me and says says coach this is the play that you walked in on I said okay I watched the play he threw it perfectly play action off a waggle action, whipped his head around, spotted the free safety and threw it opposite, away from the leverage. Big play. I didn't say a word. So Cam comes up to me.

He starts reciting the play. And I said, hey, whatever it takes, however you do your thing, you be you. Yeah. You can watch it from whatever angle you want to. It was amazing though, but he could repeat, I would go through a whole meeting and not think he was paying attention. Yeah. And I would just look at him, he'd come up to me and he'd recite it, almost verbatim.

You sit there and go, dude, I mean, I just, but it was him, that's who he was. And so his focus, his attention, it was there. Yeah, yeah. Has there ever been a point as you're dealing with personnel and head coaching where head coach Ron Rivera got pissed off at GM Ron Rivera? You know, when I was in Washington, I had some responsibilities that quite honestly,

I really didn't like having. Big part of it was with personnel. And you sit there and you make decisions sometimes based on what you're told, you have a salary cap or you have injury factors. And you start listening to the financial side of it, you start looking at the impact of your salary cap on your roster and the future and all this stuff instead of the moment because you want to win in the

moment, you really do because you know there's nothing like the here and now as far as I'm concerned because you're judged on the here and now, as far as I'm concerned, because you're judged on the here and now. You're not judged on what's going to happen in the future. Right. A general manager might be, but a head coach never is. Right. Right. Right. So I feel like that's something that I look around the league and I see teams that are clearly not in a position to win now.

Like a team like the Titans, right? They're trying to build for the future. That's definitely what they're doing. They're making a bunch of trades, getting a bunch of draft picks in. So that's good for the front office. The head coach, his job is to win. His coach is to make these players play

as good as possible. But see, if you do that early on when they first get there and do it that way, you have a chance to grow it and develop it. You know, cause right now, if you're looking at the Titans, what would you say to one thing that they really feel like they need? Probably a quarterback.

Right, cause you look at everything else and you go, wow, this is, I mean, defense is there playing solid, rock solid defense. They really are. Offense, they run the ball really well. Yeah. You know, then you sit there and go, wow. And they do have some talented young receivers

that are gonna grow and develop. So let's put the rest of it together. And if we get a chance to get a young quarterback, now you can build off of that. Yeah. You know it's funny because I was asked in a press conference a couple years ago, maybe you remember, so what's the big difference between you guys and the other three teams in your division? My answer was quarterback. Mm-hmm. And people got smug at me. I asked the same question the other day to a group of people. What's the

difference between Washington right now and Washington I had? Well, they got quarterback. Yeah. It's a quarterback driven league, folks. Yeah. You kind of got us a quarterback. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. You know what? You know what? I'm going to take back every bad thing I said about the end of the game in that Rams game. Because without that, without that loss, I don't have Jane Daniels. We're picking like fifth or sixth. So thank you.

But it is, it's quarterback. No, it is. It's quarterback driven league. And again, the approach being is that if you're coming in to begin with, you accept that and you understand that and you're willing to be patient, you can do that. My first two years in Carolina, that's what Mr. Richardson did. He understood that we were building.

And what did we get? Quarterback? Quarterback. We got our quarterback on offense and we got our quarterback on defense. Luke Heakley, yeah. That's right. Both guys at one point were rookie of the year

and both guys at one point were the MVP of their side of the ball. Yeah, I just think it's an interesting dynamic sometimes that you have a front office that all things being equal like for the Titans we'll use them as another example again. If they lose a game the front office is like not the end of the world our draft picks better. If you lose a game as a head coach you're like shit this feels awful like I'm doing I'm planning my entire week. I'm putting all my effort into making sure we win this football game. And the, there seems to be like a conflict

in what is a good outcome each week. And I just don't know how teams get around that. I guess if you're building from the ground up as a first year head coach, like you can have your eye on the big picture while still understanding he's going to go out there and try to win, right? Right. I mean, and that to me is the thing. I mean, you know, a lot of people said the worst thing that happened to us was I tried to win my first year and we did. We won the division, but guess where we picked?

17. Right. You know, I mean, when you're picking in the middle of the road and you have other needs, you end up sometimes settling and and that's something that I know honestly looking back gosh I wish I had recognized and realized certain things too I mean it does affect the way you approach things yeah yeah well coach this has been awesome I got one last question for you it's Roeback question r-h-o-b-a-c-k dot- calm promo code take 20% off your first purchase qzips polos hoodies joggers shorts ro back calm promo code take

Christian McCaffrey is maybe gonna come back this weekend You obviously Had him in Carolina at what point and it might have been you know the minute he walked in the door We like oh my god This is this is not only special but like a weapon like this that we get to use What what at what point we like that's different? I think it was you know when we put the pads on I mean that's when you kind of start judging But you put the pads on and and and you know we were a we were a power team

You know we were gap scheme. We went downhill We tried to hit the crease and he pops one of the first ones he runs in full pads when it was a thud drill where you could smack the running back but you had to let him finish the run. And he went through untouched. So I went back into the huddle, I said, defense, hey, you can hit the running back, it's okay to hit the running back. And one of us said, coach, we tried. And I said, ooh, okay. So then I went back and I looked at it on tape and it was pretty impressive, it really was, it was.

But what I think you really realize it was it was all the other stuff he did. He got out early, he warmed up before practice. He got done, he warmed down after practice. He went in, he took care of his body, he got in the ice tub. He got in the ice tub Okay, he got in a hot tub He did all the extra stuff that you're supposed to do to take and he did it as a rookie

Mm-hmm, obviously his dad playing in his league his wife his wife his mother being an all-american soccer player had a lot to do With his growth and development because they understood what it was what he was gonna go through Yeah, and so he was that mature when he showed up. Wow. Yeah, so right away. That's very cool. Oh, he was tremendous. I tell you right now, he was one of, he was how great a kid he is. Okay, I should say kid, young man he is.

We played him last year and the game was over and they had won and that's when they were rolling. He was playing really well. And so he came over, we shook hands, we talked a little bit and he said, coach, you ever need anything? He just gave me a hug, he said, you know what? I never asked you for a jersey. He goes, you can have this one.

I said, really? He said, oh yeah. He went in, signed it, gave it to his equipment guy and he said, put it in a plastic cover and send it to coach. And they sent it to him, I got it the next, it was really cool. That's awesome.

It was really cool, I mean, he really is's one of my he was one of my favorite guy He really was just because of who he was and the way he did things. Yeah. Yeah I guess I did a bad job right off the top checking it. How are you feeling? Are you doing? Okay? Yeah, I am Thank you. Yeah, I've got one more year left of Doing my my annual and and hopefully it'll come up and not continue Yeah, yeah, the way it's supposed to be. Yeah, cool. Glad to hear it. And you're watching every NFL game or trying to, maybe not every game, taking a walk for the afternoon games, but is there like a player that you've seen

now that you get to watch the entire league where you're like, that guy is really, really underrated? Gosh, you know, I know I've said that a couple of times, just watching guys, but I think about the Flashes right now and I think of Saquon Barkley jumping backwards. I think of watching Jay Daniels, the way he plays with such confidence. I mean, it's just tremendous to watch that confidence. Watching Matthew Stafford, I got to do that game against the Raiders and when he got

when he got Puka and Cooper back out there and just the way he played and it was just like God people don't understand the impact that those two guys have on the entire offense as well. Yeah it was that impressive. Yeah well thank you so much coach. People are gonna be listening to this after but we're gonna we're gonna watch ball with you tonight. I'm very excited. I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, it's going to be a great game. I am. And thank you. We loved having you come by, and anytime you want to stop by, it was awesome.

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Yeah, that's how we, that's how we typically go. And then the booth ends it. So Max. This is a Fire Fest. I don't like being here. What's wrong on this couch? This is Hank. This is Hank spot pug forcing me here He's the president you have to do what the president says I know I know I'm listening to the president for now So what's your fire fest? Oh? I was almost No, we're gonna say I was almost we're gonna say Hank. No, we're gonna say

Did you say what you're gonna say what's your firefist fat boy that is my fire I Don't know why but you're sitting right here. It's just different. No, I don't like it. But that actually is my fire fest I started counting calories this week. I started logging anything. Wait, wait Explain to everyone because I know why you're counting calories. It's a very funny reason. You told me this and I was just like, what? I think, no, I think you agree with you. Yeah, no, I think most people agree with me. Yes. So my mom's been on my ass to get a physical. I haven't got a physical in five years since like before I joined bar stool. So I purpose, she's actually going to be listening to this right now. Mom, I'm telling you right now. I could have got a physical the day that I scheduled it, but I got it three weeks I I got a physical three weeks from the day

I scheduled it so I could get three weeks trying to lose weight before I go to the physio. Yeah. Yeah. Yes That's good. You're getting in shape for your like measurements. I'm doing the same right now, but I have a physical the week after you I haven't gotten one in ten years I it's crazy scary That is it gonna be depressing if you go after like a three-week diet to get your physical and they're like you need to lose Well, no, no that is what that is. That's a thousand. Oh, yeah, but it's gonna be But it's not going to be like holy shit. You're going to die with it. It's going to be like no it's still probably going to be that but it'll just be not as bad. It's it's it's it's like a longer version of you know brushing really hard and flossing right

before the dentist. Right. Yeah. And wait are you getting your physical right before Thanksgiving. Yes. Smart man. Smart man. Literally the week before like the exact to the day, the week before. Should we share our results? No, I think we should. No, I'm getting one the week after you. No, I am not sure. I'm not. I'll share my results. I'll share mine. Me and Max are chasing 70. No, I feel like we should all get physicals. Put the results on the table. No, I'm not putting this is this is HIPAA. It is that actually. It's you sharing it. I'm going to share. I you're trying to make me share. I'm not. I'm just saying I'm going to share mine. Will you will you all tango? Let me see the result. Let me see

what goes on and then I'll decide. Okay. Yeah. You could flub some numbers, but also the fire fest is we keep I'm saying this and Hank and I are what we, what we got for dinner tonight was absurd. Well, coach Rivera was here. You know, he spent a lot of time in his life in Chicago and he was like, Hey, I want some Lou miles and I want some portals and we had Canes. Yeah. He wanted to eat Chicago. Yeah. If you look at the kitchen right now. And we had a separate pizza place. Yeah. We had two pizza places. Two pizza places and all the hot dogs and Italian sandwiches.

And chicken fingers. And chicken fingers. And credit to Max, I walked through the kitchen at one point. And a large giant chocolate cake. Yeah, so I was walking in the kitchen at one point and Jerry was like, Max, have some of this cake, have some of this chocolate cake. And Max was like, no, I can't do this can't do is like just have a little bit he's really pushing the cake hard on Max Max was like no I will not eat that cake good

for you Max yeah so I got I got separate sushi and I and I'm track I'm tracking all my cows and it's tough it's Sunday is gonna be Sunday's gonna be brutal Sundays yeah it's hard. Chasing 70. Max, you're going to look like Bartolo Colon when you do the pitching thing. It's going to be awesome. Which, by the way, we're talking about. That's another fucking fire fest.

That's coming up. That's coming up. And teaser, it is nowhere near the challenge that BFT did last year. No. Oh, come on. No offense to our guys at UIC who are very welcoming. Did they? Don't say it.

No, let's not tease it. Did they? Should we just say it? No, did they? Well, I won't say it, but did they? Yes, they did. Yeah, yes, yes, they did. I couldn't remember.

Yes, they did. So. Oh, man. They're that good. They did. Yeah, they did. Yeah, they did. I couldn't remember. Yes they did. So. Oh man. They're that good. They did. Yeah they did. Yeah they did.

Okay. And Big T's the umpire. Okay. PFT. Whoever that could be. So my Fire Fest of the Week, it's not for me per se, but it's for Brian Kelly. Okay. In his shoes, I will submit this fire fest

Lsu we love Lsu. We love else. We love Mike the tiger. Don't we we love Mike the tiger great tiger go Tigers They used in the past have a live tiger on the sidelines during games, which rocks That's what's awesome about college football, which is they don't give a fuck fuck it put the tiger on the sidelines We'll figure out the liability later. They no longer have the tiger on the sidelines for I guess ethical treatment of animal stuff. I think some of the advocacy groups got to them and said hey maybe don't drag this tiger around and bring him into a stadium where he gets confused. So Ellis you said okay we'll take him off the sidelines and that was kind of the rule for a long time and it appears that they are now

Bringing a tiger back onto their sidelines. Ooh this weekend That's cool, right? I think that's cool however, it seems like it might be a fake Mike the tiger that no sidelines because people took pictures of tiger that they're putting on the sidelines. Because people took pictures of Mike in his beautiful enclosure that he has on campus at LSU. And they compared the stripes. And they think that it's a duplicate Mike. They think it's a fake Mike the Tiger that they've brought in.

And Mike is some who knows where Mike is. He could have been abducted. I hope he's safe. If you can hear this Mike growl three times. But the Mike the Tiger that's on the campus right now is allegedly a fake mic that the governor of Louisiana got from some cat sanctuary in Florida, maybe Carol Baskin's cat sanctuary. I don't know. That's where hers is. This is bad. And they're going to use this new fake Mike, the tiger and bring that tiger into the stadium on

Saturday. That's for their game. So it's going to be a fake Mike, the tiger into the stadium on Saturday. That's for their fucked up. So it's going to be a fake Mike the tiger. It's a, it's a duplicate. It's a clone. The earlobes don't attach. That's bullshit. So there's some fucked up stuff going. And now Brian Kelly has to be answering questions about whether or not the real Mike, the tiger is going to be in the stadium on Saturday, which is like, that's, that's such a funny scenario. Oh yeah. Is Brian Kelly being like, why am I I why am I taking calls from the governor? About whether or not I'm gonna have a tiger sitting next to me during a full time. I love this But it's the most Louisiana thing ever. Yes, and I love that. It's it's fun college football stuff

But I'm gonna have my eyes on on this mic that's gonna be at the game and I'm I can almost guarantee you It's not the real mic. Yeah in which case I am going to be betting against LSU you have to very hard that's the worst vibes possible a fake tiger game can't do it you can't do it at all can't do it can't have I stay away with it I stand with a real mic the tiger can't win with it no can't have it all right I mean my fire first I had kidney stones passed past the big boy. So yeah, we're on the we're on the mend feel good. Don't feel like my Dick is gonna explode every two seconds when I go to take a piss Did I see you say on Twitter your pet you had to piss into a sieve? Yeah, did you not see me walking around with it? No. Oh, yeah, that's what you gotta do when you got the stones

You gotta catch her. It's like a funnel and then it's got like it's like I was like a gold miner And so I was just pissing through a funnel All week. Why do you have to catch it just so they can test it? They don't know what they're gonna say like you're a fat fucker your piece of shit. They're gonna give it back I don't know. I think they break it up. They're gonna look at it and they're gonna say what is it wasn't made out of secondary mark I yeah, right if it's got like sodium or calcium Then they're gonna be like we'll stop eating this and stop eating that and then you're gonna say what is it wasn't made out of secondary mark I yeah right if it's got like sodium or calcium then they're gonna be like well stop eating this and stop eating that and then you're gonna say okay and then you're gonna eat the same thing yeah so it's good though that it's out I feel I feel a lot better

thank you for everyone it was a shitty shitty five days and now I also have to deal with when I was putting my daughter to bed tonight she was like can I tell my teacher that you got the rocks out of your belly tomorrow and I was like yeah I guess like we're just gonna fucking I guess it's like what do you say like no don't say that totally they're saying it right now yeah it is it's fucked up also I just want to shout myself out I finally I have a bad addiction to buying so I get into algorithms like parenting algorithms and I I buy there's all these like different toys that are like supposed to be Educational toys and I was like I'm like oh for 30 lifetime buying these and having them just suck

Finally bought a good one, and it's big but then I got reminded how bad I am at this so I feel back though Nice work, but it's a little puzzle toy. That's why you keep buying cuz yeah, it's gold my I just keep going Just keep going all right max in the booth No, I mean we talked about it mine was gonna be also my cheese in 70 my issues with with dieting and Fat ass oh

Yeah, trying to lose weight sucks. Yeah, what are you doing? I'm just eating healthy calories in calories out and just trying again like I have realized that I Can't not snack when I'm here such bullshit. I can't not snack when I'm here So I just bought a bottle like a graves water. I'm this isn't right. This isn't right max there was a moment during the stream today that Hank and I both went to the other part of the of the Basketball court to get our healthy snacks while everyone else was yeah, we're in this together Hank you gotta get you gotta get strong too. I know those muscles. I know I'm still working out

That's the that's why it's very hard to Lose weight and gain gain muscle, but you know be very funny though. It's rough I'm sorry Hank that you're going through this. Thank you. You know be very funny is if you guys met in the middle Yeah, I could the second that this dunk shit is over I am going to bulk up so hard because not having to worry about what I'm eating and calories in and just calories up Bulk season. Mm-hmm. I'm damn thank you. You just calories up bulk season mm-hmm I'm damn thank you you would look hilarious if you were like 220 pounds he tried to do that I got 190 you got a combo and I had because all I did was drink milk

I don't think I've been to 20s okay let's finish off with numbers Three 99 21 17 Wow really man. Yeah, yeah That's a shot at the president. Yep, go go 97. Hey doesn't believe in those 40 shot at the president. Yup. Go 97.

Hank doesn't believe in those. 40. 4. I thought he just said 3. Is Hank just saying multiple numbers? No, I forgot me was just 3. I thought you were 3. I'll do 40.

Wait, so 3 is back open? Yeah. Alright, wait. Numbers. 40. 3. 11. 4.

4. 4. 4. 99, pug. 5. 4th win. I thought we were just taking each other's numbers. Four four four four ninety nine pug or five fourth win I Thought we were just taking each other's number now. I'm doing top five Shane get in here 21 Is it 97? That would have rocked if it was 97. Alright, see you everyone on Monday.

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I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better I'm gonna be the ahead and get started. Thanks for watching!