Pardon My Take - Coach Tom Coughlin, Davante Adams To The Jets, Jerry Jones Is Mad At Everyone, College Football, Playoff Baseball + Listener FAQ’s

Episode Date: October 16, 2024

The Jets have solved everything by hitting the Davante Adams button as he’s traded after a terrible MNF loss. Amari Cooper to the Bills and Jerry Jones is threatening radio hosts (00:00:00-00:22:32). Playoff baseball and the Mets tie up the NLCS while Giancarlo Stanton hits bombs (00:22:32-00:28:58). College Football talk and is College Football better than ever with the expanded playoff and NIL (00:28:58-00:51:42)? Hot Seat/Cool Throne including Ryder Cup tickets pricing out real fans and Embiid is no longer playing back to backs (00:51:42-01:15:13). Former Giants and Jaguars Head Coach Tom Coughlin joins the show to talk about his career, winning 2 Super Bowls, starting a new franchise, his face almost freezing off in the cold in Green Bay, Coughlin time and more (01:15:13-02:06:03). We finish with listener submitted FAQ’s (02:06:03-02:19:23).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take

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The crown is yours today is Wednesday October 16th and the Jets have done it they've hit the Devante Adams button that he will fix everything for their season. It's great this is actually a master class in PR by Woody Johnson and his son Brick Johnson and the entire New York Jets organization because they didn't even let the media have a single news cycle where we're talking about what happened on Monday night. And also thank you for just wiping that memory of that game out of my brain.

Oh my God. And we can talk about the reps a little bit. So many calls, so many flags. This is perfect PR for the Jets. You lose a Monday night football game and then next day you completely change everybody's mind and now Jets you lose a Monday football game and then next day you completely change everybody's mind and now Jets fans are happy yeah no memes does you even have time to really get upset about this loss no i think a half hour into waking up the news broke that's great i every

team should be so lucky yeah fan base should be so lucky you just when you have an embarrassing loss you wake up the next morning and you're like oh new toy it's literally the fix it button you're two and four you look like shit on Monday night football well you looked okay at times but you also had a hell Mary defense look like shit defense look like shit you fired your coach can't make a kick can't make a kick you didn't even get the new coach bump but Devante Adams and we did we did say it he his post two weeks ago Edgar Allen Poe Famously lived in New York City the end of his life at the end of the career That was that was that was exactly what happened. So you want to Adams fix everything?

Memes fix everything can't stop the run Devante Adams Can't make a field goal Devante Adams. Yep million penalties Devontae Adams. But. Gare Wilson now getting squeezed out Devontae Adams No, not squeezed out. Well, I mean well he's the last two games Gare Wilson's been targeted a lot But he's gonna lose targets, but then you put Devontae Adams in the spots where he wasn't getting the ball Hmm, but what happens to Alan Lazar cuz he's got to get his targets too. He'll still get some he'll get like the scrappy throws the scrappy throws the scrappy throughout You want more weapons you want more weapons? We need more weapons. I don't think you heard memes big cat when he says getting squeezed in he's getting squeezed in squeezed in

Yes, further in you're jamming. Let me ask you a question when you're more opportunities to be open Let me ask you a question means how how much what do you think Garrett Wilson and Aaron Rodgers relationship, where it's at? If hypothetically Aaron Rodgers next year, at the end of this year said, this Jets organization is a dumpster fire, I want to trade, I want to go to the Vikings, do you think he brings Garrett Wilson with him? Because that's really the sign of whether Aaron Rodgers loves you or not. I think he would.

I don't think the Vikings go for get Wilson But yeah Well, this is perfect because I have been hoping for the last two years that the way this would all shake out for Aaron Rogers Is he goes to the Jets and then he goes to the Vikings stand square. He does the Brett Favre Yeah, like the guy he started his career out hating the most It's like you become your parents at some point in life when you get older Yeah, and then Aaron Rogers just goes on to commit welfare fraud. I got a question. I think that'd be awesome. I got another question for you memes.

This is me reading a tweet and I'd like you to comment on it. Aaron Rodgers wanted Devante Adams and got him. Aaron Rodgers had no opinion on whether Robert Sala should be fired and then it's a meme of Dr. Evil saying right. Oh, it's the Dr. Evil. It's classic. Was that Nathaniel Hackett that did that no well he probably liked it Yeah, the Florio tweet that that was for EOS tweet. Yeah makes a pretty good point Makes a pretty good point. I I think Aaron Rodgers just works there

I don't think Aaron Rodgers has no say has any say he was as surprised as you or me when we found out that Coach slaw was fired you think he actually he probably had to ask Like whoever the big Dom is in the Jets organization He probably had to ask him for Woody Johnson's number this morning to be like hey Can we please have Devante Adams because they'd never they'd never had that kind of relationship before what you think what he Johnson was like Actually, that's a great idea. Yeah, thanks. Thanks for bringing that up. I'm surprised it took that long. Hit the button. It does feel like you forgot your wife's anniversary and then you show up the next day and you bought her a car.

That's kind of what's going on with the Jets right now. Remember Kobe after the Colorado and then his wife had the biggest ring ever at the press conference? That's what Devonte Adams is for you. Oh, Hank, Hank, Hank, Hank, Hank, please. I have a quote, another quote. Oh, I like this I like this reading quotes. I'm not a big Jets fan in case you don't don't know that

I thought coach Salah really did a good job with this team. That's kind of what it's been here there with the Jets They've barely won over 30% in the last 10 years the owner being the owner ready fire aim So Hank before memes chimes in that guy sounds like he there's no way that person knows anything about football Sounds like his loss was against the Jets or the Jets. Oh does that person know anything about football? Yeah, I was bill Belichick. Oh shit bill Belichick wouldn't know anything about coaching for the Jets Twice he did it twice memes I Fucking hate bill Belichick

Belichick does not like the Johnson family at all no shit. Yeah, you think Do you think it was at the part of the quote that he said to you? What did what do you say about him ready fire and the owner being the owner? Yeah ready fire and the owner being the owner They've barely won over 30% in the last 10 years the owner being the owner anytime you have to double a name It's like many being many. Mm-hmm the owner being the owner enough said Bell check on on the many cast is the greatest TV of all time I hate it just get so mad when they have anybody else on I change a channel, but when it's Bella check

That's good stuff He felt sick It feels like he's been waiting all these years to get all these takes off and he finally has a platform where he feels Comfortable just like unloading on people he was getting so mad every time they they didn't keep contained on Josh Allen last night Yeah, you gotta fucking keep him in there. Ah and just having Eli's presence. There's enough to piss him off Yeah, so he gets in that mood where he's like, oh, I need to turn on somebody else because I have to look at Eli Yeah, so memes you got to Vonte Adams to fix everything. Can we talk about the game though? Because you guys are not good. Yeah, well on which aspect I thought the offense looked fine.

I thought the offense looked okay. Yeah, it wasn't it was better than what it was and then you rely on your defense and then the defense just looked like absolute shit from the first Drive, yeah, it's seven points though from a Hail Mary, which you can't I guess with Aaron Rodgers You probably can rely on that because he's just I Tweeted at the moment like the fact that when he goes back first of all the Bills rushing to was so idiotic But when he goes back for Hail Mary in my head, I'm like, this is a 50-50 shot. Yeah, I didn't say I expect it to happen Yeah, what if the Jets just ran an all hail Mary offense?

Like if they got past the 40 yard line, yeah Why not just throw the ball four times in a row into the end zone teams wouldn't be ready for it Although I would imagine the pass rush would probably be a problem I actually wouldn't rush to every time the first time they did that they'd probably get a touchdown Yeah, their first four temps because they'd be like surely they won't run the Hail Mary again Yeah, and then just keep doing it. It was an yeah, I expected the pass to be caught He's got the perfect trajectory on his Hail Mary's. I don't figure it out I don't think Rogers was bad per se the last play obviously everyone's debating

That was vintage Rogers kind of hero mode where he did have Breeze Hall I don't know if we saw would have gotten the first down, but it was third down So you had another down to work with it did look like he had a like a mile to run Breeze Hall like yeah open space, but everybody was running back because they saw iron right correct And that that is that's how his lat his last play with the Packers Remember was the exact same play where he threw it deep And I think he had lizard underneath and it was just it was hero ball he goes into hero ball every now and then but I didn't think I didn't walk away from that game saying oh Aaron Rodgers

is totally washed or anything I thought the refs ruined that game to such an insane level that like I was starting to not like football for a minute there. When they did the, when they flagged during the commercial break. Yeah. Our guy, uh, uh, Dion Dawkins got flagged in the middle of the commercial break. I was like, this is, they're just doing everything. And then somebody on the Jets got flagged for an inappropriate discussion with the referee. Yeah. And then there were several plays, I think there were multiple plays in the fourth quarter where there were flags on both teams. And it was just, every single play had happened. And it dawned on me, I think the were multiple plays in the fourth quarter where there were flags on both teams and it was just every single play that happened and it dawned on

me. I think the NFL has too many rules. Yeah. I think we need less rules in the NFL. It has to be a one in one out policy. Whenever the competition committee gets together, they figure out a new rule. Yeah, you can add that rule, but you got to take one out. So hip drop tackle got added and offsside gets taken away. Exactly. Or you can take out like hands to the face. Who cares about hands to the face? No, I don't care about hands to the face. Nobody cares about hands to the face.

Hands to the face shouldn't count unless the helmet comes off. Get rid of the rule that says that you can't advance a punt. Yeah. You should be able to advance a punt if it's muffed. There was an unnecessary roughness on a pass block where a guy just, there was no hands to the face. Yeah. Yeah. He just got pancaked. I'd never seen it before. It was crazy. Just the play. Yeah. It was insane. That's like what you're taught to do as an offensive lineman. It was that the both roughing

the passer calls were egregious. Uh, Rogers even said it. He was like, yeah, that was, that was a terrible call on, on when rubbing the passer on Josh. And it was a terrible call when they called it for me too. So like I appreciate Rogers just saying that he ripped the refs afterwards. He's gonna get big time fine. But guess what? Devante Adams. And that's the Aaron Rodgers rule too that he got. Yeah, the body weight landing on him. At that point, what do you do if you're the defender? You've got him wrapped up, you're trying to strip the ball out. You got to lose some weight. You have to defy the laws of physics in midair. You it. You got to like put a shot of Ozempik in you as you're bringing him down It's insane though. That was nuts the the tuck rule that wasn't you know called Aaron Rodgers

I think on the field they said it was a fumble and then expedited review jumped in and Instantly expedited review said no, that's an incomplete pass Then McDermott tried to challenge the expedited review and you can't really challenge the expedited review. Yeah. But I did like the actual review. So actually have been working a couple of times. The Garrett Wilson touchdown where the ref was just staring at it and it was so obviously

a touchdown and they just immediately like, yeah, that was a touchdown. I actually think that they did the, they expedited the expedited review too fast on the, on the tuck rule play because I don't think that they realized exactly what happened. And I think that probably should have been a fumble. The good news is it was so bad. It was just bad everywhere. So we can't even I don't know if you can walk away being like, one team got especially screwed because everything was just bad. I thought the rest are going to give us one. Yeah. And then braille and out scores and then holding holding. We're not we're not getting shit. You should be allowed to hit the long snapper. That's another rule we can get rid of get rid

of that one no fair catches I like no fair catches no illegal touching except for the Browns that any illegal touch the quarterbacks have to uh by the way there's another team that played in this game the Bills and they are back Josh Allen was awesome Josh Allen has been awesome do you know that Josh Allen is not throwing an interception this year? That concerns me. That's a bad thing. I'm just saying. We got to be consistent.

For all the talk about all his turnovers, I also have a Josh Allen stat for you. The glazen's crazy, bro, but Josh Allen has the most passing and rushing touchdowns since the start of the 2022 season, and it's not really close. He has 99. Jalen Hurts is second with 81, Patrick Holmes with 78. He was, I mean, now he adds Amari Cooper who gets out of jail. Yeah, so it's like the bills hit the Cooper button. Yeah, but they didn't even need to. They're four and two with what feels like a, I don't want to say commanding, but it

does feel like a commanding lead in the AFC East Because of who's in that division and how they've been playing and yeah I the Bills that was a good win for the Bills where it's like you're coming off some questions to two tough games and They went into a tough environment on it I would going up against the team that just fired a coach is like that's unfair advantage for the other team Yeah, that's what I thought the Jets I did not factor in the fact that their defense would look a little bit worse and more disorganized because they elevated their defense coordinator to head coach. I

didn't factor that part in. And they need Hassan Reddick who now is being shopped around they have a tight window is what the report came out that the Jets gave him a tight window to call around and see if anyone else wants this might be a buyer beware situation big cat. I'm not sure if it's on redic is necessarily the best team player. Hmm. But at least they'll figure out a price before which the jet should have done. Yeah. So whoever whoever trades for him probably talk to the agent. Get the rose and house. Get the contract set up. Yeah. So I think he got fired by his agent. He did. It's very rare that that happens Johnny Manziel got fired cuz they got I guess the the report was that they had a

One-year deal basically set that was gonna be pretty good for his son Reddick And he was like no and his agency was like well, we can't we can't do this anymore. You don't want this Yeah, so I I don't know if any teams are gonna give up really anything of substance to get Hassan Reddick right now. Yeah, I don't know. The only team I could think would be the Eagles. That was crazy. What was the third round pick you gave up for Devontae Adams?

Conditional? A third round that could become second. The same deal for Hassan Reddick. And if Hassan Reddick goes to an NFC team in a trade, it's second to Philadelphia automatically. Oh, so you're probably not going to Hassan for to an NFC team then Probably not. Yeah Wait, well, how's that? Oh the Eagles had that

allowed to trade him to the NFC that was by the bird job by how we How we max out of curiosity? What did the Eagles give up for Jahan Dotson? Who is not the Vonte Adams or Amari Cooper? Oh, they gave up a third Okay. Yeah, either way. I was impressed by the Bills Josh's is awesome. I mean, he's just he's awesome He's he's he now adding Amari Cooper who I actually think Amari Cooper would be good because he it's not that Amari Cooper was Bad this year. He's just had to Shawn Watson and you could just see that he wanted to be anywhere but where he was. How good is this day for Mario Cooper? Yeah, you feel like Shawshank Redemption. You feel like you climbed through was it like 1500 yards of

shit? It's incredible. And now you're out the other side. Good for him. Also, good for the Browns just making Deshaun Watson's life that much more torture the torture. The torture keeps going. it gets even worse I'm trade every single weapon they have and make him go out there and play don't let Nick Chubb play this year No, I like Nick Chubb save Nick Chubb. Yeah, Mari Cooper last year. Yeah, he had he had 1250 in yards. That's pretty damn good. And he's what 29? He's 30 30. He's 30. Yeah, he's younger than we always think But yeah, that's the bills The bills look good. And I also like the the Taylor the corner

Wrap who had the Guardian helmet on who was out for a concussion still just going like headfirst balls to the wall Trying to kill people. Yeah respect that. Yeah, the Guardian cap. I I'm still not used to seeing the Guardian guy I think it kind of looks cool I feel like I don't know watching that they were saying I felt like He because he's out with a concussion and they basically said you can come back you just have to wear the guardian cap He's like sure. Yeah, the NFL loves selling merch so much. I wonder if they'll have a fat head, but it's a guardian cap They'd need to sell guardian caps for our hats. We should we should get a guardian cap fat head on this wall I I don't know just it's growing on me. It's kind of just like, I don't know

why. It's a logo in a different fabric. Yeah. I'm like, Oh, that's cool. Shockingly. DeMarr Hamlin doesn't wear the Guardian cap. No, DeMarr Hamlin was out there snatching people's souls. Yeah, just laying the lumber. Yeah, pretty wild stuff. He's out there. But yeah, so to sum it up, Jets, Devante Adams fixes everything and Bills, they quieted any concerns that they would, that things were kind of falling apart with their last two performances. And I feel like they're in a good spot. Did you get any, like any vibes from Ulbricht in terms of what we can expect from him? Nope.

I didn't either. I just got a vibe that Nathaniel Hacker was sitting up in the booth being like, God damn it. That first drive was the first drive the Jets went right down the that first drive was the first drive the jets went right down the field It was the first second drive second drive and just him Like it's kind of mean that he's still there. I think he called the Hail Mary I think that was a Hackett special he goes the hack it yeah It's all of all of Aaron Rogers Hail Mary completions have been under the tutelage of Nathaniel Hackett not all of them

No, I don't think so no he's probably on the Jaguars for for one of them. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he was he was only I think no hack it was only the Green Bay quarterbacks coach, I want to say for like two years, three years, the Hail Mary with 2019 to 2021. I don't think you could have a beard that long as a head coach. Oh, I was just about I just said this to memes Have we talked about how phenomenal his beard is the beard is A defensive coordinator the beard is perfectly manicured. It is a perfect beard It looks almost fake how good the beard is and it's crazy because he's not Aaron Rodgers probably appreciates that he's not that old Don't we don't shame having a little bit of gray in your beard around no, I'm just saying all right only 47 ah It is it's crazy though the the lineup that he does on it He must shave he must shave that line twice a day I think that's you can't shave that in the morning and then have it pop at like 11 p.m. Like he was having a pop

You don't like the beard. No, I like the beard I just think as a it looks good if he's a defensive coordinator regular like assistant coach, but what about McPhee? What about the floor? They don't have long like Santa Claus. They got scruff that beard demands respect I disagree. I I understand as in terms of if you're looking at a head coach like if you're mocking up a head coach When are you drawing? Lines on the beard or the lines are crazy. I respect the beard as a man who's faceballed. I could only dream of having a beard like that. However, I think it's too manicured for especially a

defensive head coach. Like he spends a lot of time working on the beard. I would like it to be a little scraggly, a little more unkempt. I mean, look at those lines. Yeah, he uses a protractor to shave his beard. He's got a good beard. But yeah, I'm gonna look at it more. Hank, I still don't know anything about the guy. Yeah, he's just not giving us anything. I'm not going to rule out your take. The beard just doesn't give head coach. Yeah, I could see that as my take maybe go go t coach. Yeah, I could see that as my take maybe go go t go t go t should go back. Go t's are cool. All right. It's weird how all these trades happened during the NFL owners meetings. Hmm.

That is interesting. Speaking the NFL owners meetings. Jerry Jones is at the part of the season where he's threatening radio host jobs. Yeah, I saw that. So he went on his way a bad birthday. He did his hit on it on the local radio that he does every week. And he basically was like, I'll find someone else to ask these questions if you keep asking these questions. Yeah. So they asked him about making personnel moves. Fair question, because Jerry's the GM. I would say that's a very fair question. And he said, This is not your job. Should I do my Jerry Jones? It is his job. It's not your job. Your job isn't to let me go over the reasons George Bush

I did something and I'm sorry that I did it. That's not your job. I'll get somebody else to ask these questions I'm not kidding. Yes, George Bush You got to figure out what the team's doing right or wrong if y'all are any five or ten lucky You need to come to this NFL meet. I'm going today with 32 teams here. You're geniuses And that was Jerry Jones. That was Jerry Jones. That was Jerry Jones doing the George Bush Also a little Mike Greenberg in there. Yeah, but yeah, Jerry Jones is losing it Yeah bad birthday for Jerry bad birthday for Gino too It was just maybe it's the opposite of having the baby bump if you have a birthday

That feels like it might be bad news Trevor Lawrence won his only game this year on his birthday. Okay counterpoint. Yeah. Yeah, so it's hit or miss Jerry's upset Mike McCarthy says he's he relishes the opportunity to correct this team. He was just thinking about hot dogs he was like two hours late to his To his to his press conference. Everyone thought he might have gotten fired. Or got lost. Yeah. He was probably doing his hot dogs. He was probably just eating his hot dogs. Okay. Should we talk a little baseball real quick before we do college football? Yeah. The Mets, even the series, memes, congrats. That was a big day for you. The bats woke up right away. It was the greatest three innings and then it was the most stressful baseball game after

that. Yeah. How do you feel about Diaz coming in to pitch four outs? So based on everything that's been going on in the playoffs, it looks like a bad strategy because they get the one out and then they get like 20 minutes of rest and then they come back cold yeah so I don't love it because it kind of happened in the Stanik Stanik came in got the out came in then got runners on second and first so I don't love it mm-hmm okay it felt like yeah a lot of

Mets fans were panicking in that situation but again you had the first three innings great first three innings great first three innings. Great first three innings. Great first three innings. Manaya shoved. Me and Max were talking about Otani. Okay. He shouldn't be leading off. Why? Because he was like 0 for 19 with runners not on. Yeah, he was like, he was like, he had 10 strikeouts with overnight over for 19. No, I know but then they showed the stat where he was like 16 for 18 with runners in scoring position or something. Yeah, so if you swap Mookie bats with Showing it's probably the great I'm gonna need I'm gonna need show hey to do something this series Not only because I said it on Sunday night But also PFT told me that we're gonna bet show a to

hit two home runs every game and I've been doing that. Well he almost had a game one and a single and I need three hits. Yeah. He almost did game one he hit the wall Hank thought it was a home run and then he hit the warning track. We're on there. We're on that's a bad matchup with the pitcher last night. Manaya I love his delivery. It's crazy. Like the angle that he throws, he basically does a pickoff move and then throws the ball to home plate

every time he throws a pitch. And it's just gotta be impossible for a lefty to hit that. I don't understand why every pitcher doesn't do that. Yeah, I don't either. Like, Sean Manaya sucked and then he just did that one thing to switch it up and now no one can hit him. Yeah, he turned into Randy Johnson.

If you're bad, just do that. Do that. And then you'll be good. And it will work. It's a completely different angle. He reinvented math. It's crazy. Everyone on the Phillies had great numbers against Manaya.

Everyone on the Dodgers had great numbers against Manaya. But it doesn't matter, because he's just a different pitcher this year than he's ever been. Yeah. Yeah, he's smart. I don't year than he's ever been. Yeah. Yeah, he's smart. I don't know why more people don't do it. I guess not everyone can do it, right?

I feel like you can. Just pitch, just do the thing that he does before the game. Just go over one bullpen mound and pitch to the other catcher. Yeah, he kind of has like a Chris Sale delivery. Yeah, he just, he's just Chris Sale. Is that what he does in the bullpen? In the bullpen, there's the two mounds yeah the catcher lines up to the right mound or to the right no yeah I get it he throws from the left mound I get that I just

didn't know that he did that no yeah that's how he warms up before every game that's very smart do it the Mets are doing something very smart yeah and then the other series the Yankees beat the Guardians. John Carlos on fire. Do you see that picture of John Carlos wearing a tank top at the press conference? He's just he's the most jack guy ever. He basically hit the moon with that home run. Yeah, I think Soto's home run was a unicorn. I believe. Love a unicorn.

Yeah, it was only out in Yankee Stadium. But there was wind. So he did hit it harder than like it wasn't like a real Cheapy home run But yeah, it feels like the Yankees. I guess we'll choose your own adventure Garrett Cole tonight the Whatever. He is 300 million dollar man 400 million dollar man Is he going to earn his pinstripes tonight? He's got to go out there and be a true ace big cat Was that it last night? Yeah, it was a unicorn home run only out in Yankee Stadium. Yeah, those are awesome. Love that. They make everyone mad. But again, he did hit it harder than

there was wind. So he did hit it harder than like a little bloop. 110 miles. Yeah. Unicorns make people so far. There's reverse unicorns too. Yeah, I love those. It's only it's not out in this flyout would have been a home run in every park except Coors Field. Oh wow. This is from June, but. That's pretty cool. Yeah, but it sucks when you bet on a guy to hit a home run and then he hits one of those. Yeah.

The reverse unicorn. Yeah, the reverse unicorn sucks, but I, so Garret Cole, what do we think? What do we think? This feels like a sweep. I don't think it's a sweep. $300 million mad. $324 million. Cause I feel like there's too much at stake for Cleveland.

This is the only thing Cleveland's got going right now. Yeah, their bullpen is really good too if they can just get a lead. I think, I think it's going to be Yanks and six. It's be five one Yankees tonight. I think it's be a gentlemen sweep. I think the guardians would get one at home. Ah, you know what? I like, yeah,anks and six. It's gonna be five one Yankees tonight. I think it's gonna be a gentleman sweep. I think the Guardians will get one at home. Ah, you know what? I like, yeah, PFT and six.

Yanks and six. They'll get two. And Hank, are you rooting for a Subway series? Yeah, at this point, for content, just for the vibes. Yeah, I mean, we always said, like, we always joked about being in New York and them never even being in the championship. So it'd be funny if there was a Subway series. I mean, it would be incredible content for our company.

And just like I've said it, but like, I just want the Yankees to fucking win. But the the there would be so much pain for either side. Like that. I don't even think about like who wins and gets to talk shit. I just think about the devastation for the loser in that situation I would be all time I would much rather see Yankees fans devastated at this point for sure wrong yeah how long after World Series when do you think it would take for Frank the tank to go nuclear on the team and say how they'll never win another game again the parade if they did the parade route wrong. Yeah. Like the incompetent Mets. Yeah. Yeah how could they only do it here? No yeah I would be rooting for the the Mets in that World Series. Anyone but the Yankees.

Yeah. In Obese. I think the Dodgers have a better chance but. Yankee Max will be in full. Pinstripe Max? Oh Pinstripe Max. He would ask for pinstripe Dan to come back I mean John Carlos getting me close because he's just he keeps hitting bombs Wow pinstripe max in New York Yeah You should Okay, should we talk some college football? Let's talk that was an awesome college football Saturday. I have a belief now that college football is better than it has ever been and I know

there was a lot of hand-wringing going on with all the changes happening but we're now in a spot and there's gonna be more change. I get it. Expansion all that stuff. With the NIL, we talked about it last week, but the NIL and the Portal flattening it out so there's, it doesn't feel like this year, maybe Texas, but it doesn't feel outside of Texas that there's those like two or three super teams that no one has a chance against. The conference expansion has been awesome because you had games that were very meaningful and like big time games that you never would have had.

Oregon, Ohio State was awesome. And then you also had on Saturday, like the classics. You had LSU and Ole Miss, which was a great game. You had Tennessee, Florida, which was a great game. And the fact that the expanded college football playoff, everyone's like, oh, the regular season won't matter. I think it actually matters like in a weird way more in the fact that we have true elimination games coming up where you're going to get a chance to like, you have games that now have stakes that wouldn't

have had stakes beforehand. Like LSU and Texas A&M play I think next weekend. That's an elimination game. Yeah, there's going to be a ton of them. That's an elimination. There's going to be a ton of them. Now Tennessee, Tennessee and Alabama could end up being an elimination like if Tennessee takes a second loss Then Tennessee's rest of the season they have to win Alabama same thing with them Georgia if Georgia loses to Texas this weekend They play Ole Miss November 9th that will be an elimination game because Ole Miss has two laws I like the fact that there's a little bit of wiggle room, too Yeah, you have a if you have a bad loss to a Vanderbilt, guess what? You can let that slide for Vanderbilt by the way, it's not a bad, they're not, they're

not. They turned out not to be there. Five. Yeah. Cause their quarterback is legit. Yeah. But I like the fact that there's a little bit of room for makeup. If you're one of these top teams, like if you in years past, if you lose a game in October, guess what? Chances are pretty good. Yeah. If you have one loss, you might, especially in your conference, if it's Georgia, that's better than you, or if it's Alabama, that's better than you. Chances are pretty good. You're not going to get to have a meaningful postseason game. And now I, I, I mean, I'm very excited for the playoff. The playoff is electric. Cause it does feel like there's a lot of teams that are again outside of Texas.

And we'll find out how, just how if Texas is that much better than everyone this weekend against Georgia. But it does feel like there's five or six teams that are kind of all in that same spot that could beat anyone could beat anyone on any Saturday. Whereas in the past it's been like all right well it's Alabama Georgia and maybe Clemson when they were rolling. Yeah I'll state when they were that that Ohio State Oregon game was so good. rolling or Ohio State when they were rolling. That Ohio State Oregon game was so good. It was the perfect college football game. It was the weather, the sun setting, the vibes, the big plays back and forth. Puddles. Puddles. And I didn't walk away from that game. So there's two ways to think about obviously Ohio State fans are going to say same old

Ryan Day. He comes up short in these big-time games he's two and seven now against top five opponents he has had some close calls obviously that playoff game where they they missed the kick against Georgia there was the one against Clemson as well they've had some close calls they they find a way to come up short in these big moments though that has to nag Ryan Day and Ohio State fans but I went away from that game being like well Ohio State is still one of the best teams in the country they lost by one point in a really tough environment I can't wait to watch these two teams play again I think

that throughout the years of Pac-12 for those people that don't stay up after dark to watch the Pac-12 games you lose track of what a hard place to play Eugene is. Yeah. It's a very, very tough stadium. And Dane Lanning is a really good coach. Dane Lanning is a great coach. He had the 12 men on the field.

In the moment, I don't know about you, Big Cat, but I saw that, and I was like, that's the Buddy Ryan, Polish goal line defense, intentionally put 12 guys out there. But kind of stupid. And then people said, no, it's not. That was a mistake by the defense. Then Lanning kind of confirmed that he's not I was and now the NCAA is looking into punishing Oregon for doing that which would be crazy There already is a punishment for it

It's called having too many men on the field and that's what's in the rulebook If you want to I feel like if you if you want to punish them more You have to change the rule before the next season starts and don't like punish them for breaking a rule. No, intentionally. No, it was your rule. So Dan Lanning coach great game. He's got insane talent in Oregon. He's an awesome coach. Like he's one of those coaches. If you watch like this guy was born to coach college football at a high, high level. I weirdly think that 12 men, which was intentional because they took a timeout right before to assume in a big moment that he doesn't have control of like who's on the field. But weirdly, unlike

Buddy Ryan, where the whole point of the Polish defense is Buddy Ryan is it's a goal line situation. So every time you get a penalty, you're never going to get into the goal or into the touchdown end zone with a penalty. So you just go like an inch and inch an inch. If Will Howard had looked up and done quick mental math and spiked that ball, it would have backfired. Yeah.

Cause that would have been the play. Or if he had slid like two yards earlier. No, no, but I'm saying like on that play. Cause if he sees that it's 12 men and he just spikes it, they call the penalty. Cause that whole point was Oregon got four or five seconds burned off the clock and only had to give up five yards.

There was a world where Will Howard, if he had been aware of it, it could have backfired on him. I feel like that's a lot to ask of a quarterback in real time though, because you're probably looking at coverages, trying to figure out where you're going with the ball. I don't know. And to also be able to count one, two, three, four, five, six, and get up to 12 and be certain of. Because imagine if you were wrong.

Imagine if there were 11 guys. Yeah, no, of course. But there was 12. That's more like have them all playing and it was a dead ball situation. It was off a timeout. So it wasn't like he was rushing to the line. The coach that's on like the coach to call that out on the quarterback. That might be Ryan Day was he was yelling it. It might be a lot to ask if you're the quarterback looking at that in real time

to know for a factor 12. So Ryan Day should have yelled. He should have yelled louder. Yeah. Maybe the beard got in the way. Yeah. And we'll have your guy. He Howard, he came up just a little bit, a little short there. That's just Ohio State.

That's like, that's the Ryan Day, Ohio State. He preaches all the time, like leave no doubt. That's his big mantra, leave no doubt in the big games. And they keep having these moments. And I just think, I don't know if it's, cause yeah, will Howard like he's trying to make a play but is that something where Ryan Day should have explained it to him like hey look this is exactly how much time you have you

have to make sure I think that's on will Howard during the play to get down well the course time left though like you just two three yards earlier leave two seconds on the clock but it goes back to remember last year when Ohio State beat Notre Dame and that big game And Ryan Day went after Lou Holtz and stuff There was another moment in that game that was like Ryan Day just feels like he he's doing the things that some of these coaches High level high level coaches in urban Meyer a Jim Harbaugh Bill Belichick These guys Nick Saban would never make this mistake the that game

Ohio State scored a touchdown with one second left to go up to and He kicked the extra point. Mm-hmm. That was so stupid He never should have kicked the extra point that shouldn't yield it because the only way that Notre Dame has a chance to tie this Game or is to block the extra point and run it back for you like those are the little details that Ryan day just misses and Yeah, it's just but I again, I think Ohio State's still gonna will Howard played. Well Dylan Gabriel. I wish Dylan great Gabriel I said it in the moment. He's one of those guys I want I want him to just have a job for life in college football like cam rising. Yeah, he should camera

I didn't come out say that eight years is too much. Well, he's eligible though. Yeah, but he said eight years We can change his mind. He also just gets injured every single time he plays so I can't I don't I like camera rising I can't have camera rising in my life anymore eight years. I think we can change his mind Yeah, college football is better with you in it He came back from an injury that we was there was cloudy and everyone didn't really know what happened and then got rolled up on in the first like Five minutes of the game against Arizona State Arizona State by the way And so here's my last point about the bigger college football you have now all these teams that in Last year's iteration or you know before with the 14 playoff would never you would never say they're still in it

But like an Arizona State they got one loss they're still in it SMU Texas Tech like some of these teams that like they don't play in the big in the big ten or the SEC if they catch a loss they're never gonna get in wazoo who's an independent they run the table they have a chance like Clemson obviously they they probably will win the ACC do we forget about Clemson no I they probably will win the ACC. Do we forget about Clemson? No I have not they've been killing people. I think as a as a collective society we have forgotten about Clemson. I have not because I've been betting on them and they've been winning every single week. Yeah Clemson

just they tricked us. Well they just aren't as good as Georgia. Yeah. And but it's just it feels like there are so many games every single weekend that are high-level games and there are more teams games every single weekend that are high level games and there are more teams that are now in the mix and have a chance. I just, I love it. I think college football's in a great place and I know that there was a lot of people who were worried

in the direction it was going to. I love it. I don't know anybody though that was worried about the playoff being a negative. Like I, the playoff was just guaranteed good times. Our guy Tom Frinelli. Yeah yeah Tom Frinelli. There was a lot of people. That's why he's the former college football expert. Yeah. Andy Staples co-host Ari who I like and is a very smart guy. He doesn't like it. Like there's a lot of people who didn't like

the playoff because they the big argument was the regular season. The reason why college football is so fun is the regular season matters more than every other sport. I, the regular season is still awesome. I think sometimes college football like to die hard, die hard, pure college football fans are resistant to any change that makes it even comparable to the NFL. But there was a lot of pushback on the, on the, on the board team. I did hear, we're not the NFL. We don't need a playoff. Yeah, playoffs are good. Guess what? College basketball has the best playoff in the world. Maybe you could take a page from their book and be like, yeah, we'll include a couple more teams just for Mac.

You're going to get so many more viewers too in December and January. It's going to be awesome. And Texas, to me, Texas, we'll learn a lot about them this weekend. I feel like they're inevitable I feel like this is Texas and then everybody else Yeah, this will be this will be the big weekend Georgia will be a big test for them because the Red River s out is is the one game where no matter which team is good and Which team might be having somewhat of a down year. It's usually a lot closer than that

Oklahoma couldn't do shit Home is in a bad bad spot. They got no offense line. They got no quarterback. They got no wide receivers. Maybe no coach. Maybe no coach. Penn State too. We should mention James Franklin with, I wouldn't say it was like a statement win because USC is not like a top 10 team right now, but still the way that game was going, it felt like another fall in your face James Franklin moment. Down 20 to 6 and a half. Tyler Warren with one of the craziest days.

He had 17 catches, like 242 yards. He wears number 44, which is awesome. He played running back quarterback, wide receiver, tight end and center. Took snaps at all of those positions. Sean Payton's definitely gonna draft him it was awesome That was an awesome awesome game. It was and then it so it turned it flipped from oh Here goes James Franklin again to uh-oh stinking Riley. Yeah, Lincoln Riley fence hot seat Colin Coward big time hot seat big time hot seat for you. I'll pull up the Colin Coward

The Colin Coward video is one of the weirdest do she is video of all time You see this video. I did yeah. Oh my god. I Think he's playing a character to be a douche, but he nailed the character Some of you guys are gonna oh Lincoln Riley and apology You guys are gonna owe Lincoln and Riley an apology. I don't know if these Big Ten teams can handle coming out west, the sunshine, the distractions of LA.

Probably not. Look at the halftime score on it, Cosm. Oh, they're in a commercial, whatever. I don't hold grudges apologies accepted Look at the halftime score. He sounds like Joel McHale playing Craig Kilburn. Yeah Look at the halftime score. I don't hold grudges Yeah, I mean he's playing a character there, but it worked because it pissed me off seeing that and then it was just an all-time Old takes exposed Lincoln Riley. I feel like I feel like this might might be time to ask some tough questions if you're a Trojan. Yeah. Yeah. They've been in all the games. It's not like they're getting embarrassed.

But yeah, their defense, which is better, has failed them late. The good thing if you're Lincoln Riley though is, is you can always it's kind of like coach Cal in the NBA for Lincoln Riley, he can get the best quarterback recruits in the country by saying like, here's who I've coached, they're on the NFL. So every year, even if he has a down year, he's already reloading with a five star and then you're afraid to fire Lincoln Riley, because you might lose that quarterback. Yeah, that's facts. Good job for life

We also had Mike Gundy and his bi-week got headbutted by a bull. I saw that yeah a cow which was awesome He's got a bloodshot. Eye. Yeah, Mike Tough year. He's had bloodshot eyes thousands of times thousands of times behind the wheel ha We should give an update Tyler our Travis Hunter did get hurt, but I've been it's fine reached out sources I Texted Deon. I said is he okay said yeah, okay? All right best football player in the country He didn't say whether he was your starter anything, but he just said I said is he okay probably should know I think they just said That he's gonna play. Oh, okay. Good. Good. All right. I now that I'm playing it back in my head

I probably should have asked a more direct question than is he okay? No, that's all I need Okay, just like yeah, he's okay. He's gonna be fine. That's all I need you say Travis Hunter. Just says Travis Hunter. Okay He's fine also Billy Napier is a coward an absolute coward. Yeah for the way that Tennessee Florida game ended Yeah, you have your backup quarterback in yeah, I think you had your backup running back in. Right? Yeah. Your big underdogs against you might say, you know, top three biggest rival, but it's always a rivalry game every year. It means a lot. You have a much worse team to begin with. And I don't know about that. Tennessee's not, I think, I think Tennessee's definitely better

than they are, but they're not, they're not what we thought they were. Oh no. Tennessee's not I think I think Tennessee's definitely better than they are but they're not they're not what we thought they were oh no Tennessee is not like a top three team in the country but my point is if you're Florida you're playing with all those factors against you against a much better team than you agreed in their house agree and then you get to the end of regulation and you have an opportunity to go for two and have one play from two yards out to win the game yep you typically want to take that and what what he did with Billy Napier did I think he sent like a fake a fake extra point team out onto the field right like he set up in a weird swinging gate type formation.

Yep. And then they called a timeout and Billy Napier's like ah you got me okay I'll just kick it then I guess. You're getting fired anyway dude. Just win the game just try to win the game that that would be such a good way for people to at least have one good Memory of you from your last season. Yes is if you beat Tennessee who had national championship Aspirations at the start of the season if you beat them in their house good for you People might not you might be able to open up a car dealership. Yeah, one day. Yeah. Yeah. No He's getting fired. Anyway, this is so stupid. It's so stupid Yeah, Ash and Gentie also yeah, he keeps playing really well. There's nothing like it. He's so good

I'm done pretending to but his games are super late What what beams did you bet him? No, I said to max I was like it didn't play that well He's like yeah over 200 yards. Yeah Why the only thing he did he did it like two in the morning That's the only thing we can say we're basically at the point where he's so good. All we can do is just root for time zones Well, I'm rooting for time zones and I'm also rooting for him to take into account his future earnings Yeah, and hopefully hopefully just maximizes NFL potential boys. He's playing for a playoff spot. I know Also memes mentioned

army Navy both ranked yes yep which is awesome and they both played in it Notre Dame so those will be elimination games I would love for Armory Navy to get into the college football playoff yeah I think if if one of those two teams finishes the season undefeated I think they will be in it yeah yeah because yeah they yeah and then we wait for big 12 chaos and for Navy to get a Bye. What if what if would that be? Yeah, would that be the craziest sports story maybe ever if

Let's say army Won the first expanded playoff. Yeah, if they won four games in a row against all the big dogs, that would probably go down as the craziest sports story ever. I think the coolest thing ever would be if they were both undefeated going into army, Navy game, the winner goes to the planet. No, they're not allowed to count that. Well, I'd already announced the playoff before that. That sucks. Yeah, because that would be the coolest thing ever. You know, it's so they should change that. What if the loser of that game is the team that That sucks. That would be the coolest thing ever. You know what would suck? They should change that.

What if the loser of that game is the team that gets in, and then the winner of that game is undefeated, and then they have to sit at home? The troops deserve better. I don't know. It would also rock if- They should change that. What if Army got a home game at West Point? That would be awesome, wouldn't it? That would be awesome. It'd be good for America. Oh maybe it's not. When's Army Navy? I think it's right after they make the announcement. Army Navy 2024. Yeah it's the week before. Sunday December 8th is when they announce it and then Army-Navy plays the next week. Sucks. But maybe they'll both get in. Yeah. I want one of them to get in. So bad. That would be so cool. Again it would be one of the craziest

sports stories of all time if they ran the table and they just triple optioned. Imagine Army going and triple optioning Ohio Imagine, imagine army going and triple optioning Ohio State to death with with linemen that weigh like, you know, 100 pounds less than their linemen. Yeah. Be crummy, we get all the calls to they would have to. Yeah, we'd have to. Also, Max, did you see that one video there's semi-viral, USC does a thing where if you donate

a certain amount of money, you get to run out with the team, and a Penn State fan did it, and was just running in full Penn State gear. I did not see that. How do they not think that through? That's smart. How do they not think that through? How much money did that cost?

It was like 1,500 bucks, not that much. I love that. It's crazy. Like so stupid and it also I watched the whole video like That's an awesome thing to get to do to run out you run out right? I think they ran out either right after the team or right before it still the the chemtrails of the The flyover and everything and everyone going crazy That's a once-in-a-lifetime thing where's this guy was he wearing like full look at him oh yeah he's just full pen stake here

who's running out and it's just all other USC a couple USC like boosters and stuff running with him but he's just screaming we are as he runs out of the tunnel I love that yeah they got to think that one through gotta think that one through next. And we have a huge slate on Saturday. Again, this is what I'm saying. Like, I know that a lot of these games would have happened anyway. But well, no, Texas, Georgia would not have happened. Definitely not. Right. So Purdue, Oregon, wouldn't happen this weekend. Yeah, everyone's ready for West Purdue, Oregon Friday night. That's Purdue, Oregon, Purdue, Oregon, West Lafayette. That sounds like you don't have it on your calendar. No, that's the one. That's the one

because we're talking about that on Sunday. Spoilers makers, the spoiler makers, they play one fucked up game every year. I don't know if that that might have been the Illinois game Friday. Under the lights in West Lafayette. They were down like three scores a half time and then went to overtime and lost by three that might have been a stadium of 60,000 dudes screaming at you. Yeah, we're also gonna find out what Indiana's made of because they've been a great story But they played absolutely no one and they play Nebraska this week coach Sigs. Yeah, but this is like the great first I told Will Compton before the season started I said when do you guys play Indiana because he was counting his wins and losses. I said that's gonna be a big game

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Yeah How's he cool to run my hot seat is Joel and beads passion Slash love for the fans. What do you mean? He did an interview and he said that if I had to guess I would probably never play back-to-backs the rest of my career Oh but That's okay they got Paul George. Yeah they got Paul George. Yeah is he okay? He hyper extended his knee last night. Oh no playoff PCL. You guys are pretty season P. He's fine. We would do fine. I saw the knee extend. We do back to back podcasts. And he's fine. Yeah, and I know that we actually don't yeah, we do

Labor day every year we go back to back you're probably on vacation We don't do load management here. I would do this show every day for free Never when we started this show and people were like every day that would have been a mistake Yeah, also we used to record it like 7 o'clock in the morning. Yeah, just once mistake mistake Yeah, I mean it's the people people pay a lot of money to I do feel bad games They're they're big fans of his and he's basically telling the fuck off I feel bad for his affiliate would prefer him to be healthy in the playoffs. Yeah, but that's not a guarantee Yeah, and when he does I'll take I'll my chances. Anything to increase chances of him being healthy. So why does he just not

play till the playoffs? Well, no one will know what no, cause he's got a 39 year old Tim Duncan played 16 back to backs in the don't care. Max answer me this. You just said you would do anything to increase his chances to be healthy for the playoffs He should just not play till the playoffs, but then he wouldn't be in game shape, okay But he was he'd be healthy, but what is game? What is game shape for Joel Embiid though? He usually gets injured sounds like you wouldn't do anything to increase his health for the playoffs No, because he had because we wouldn't get to the playoffs so how many games

Well, they yeah, you would the playoffs last year not without Joel Embiid, but you missed a lot. Yeah, but he they were like the best. He's playoff P. Is playoff P okay? Playoff P is fine. He said that he's fine. And the knee, the knee went pretty far backwards. Well, the tests say that he's fine. What tests? They, he got tests on his knee. Okay. Wait, I'm it been pretty far max. I well he's fine Are you sure he's fun? He said he's fine the test the test said he's fine test said he's fine And it's fucking if the season hasn't even started yet who cares if he missed three games in October is is Joel and be Practicing and playing right now. He doesn't need to be playing. So but what about game shape? No that's throughout the year it's October. But he has he's not even practicing. Don't care. Sounds like he might not be ready for game

shape and that's how you can get injured. I do feel bad for LeBron James though who tweeted this out during the preseason he said can someone please explain to me while we're getting on a plane and heading to Milwaukee for one preseason game and then all the replies to him were because it's your job mmm because you get paid millions of dollars to do this yeah and you're literally you you made it a family vacation yeah also brawny should get his own skin and call of duty yeah come on Activision let's do it was your culture oh my god that was you you overreacteded Max, just from Hank just doing a hot seat.

That's not true. The boys just gotta get ready for the play-in tournament, you know, we're focused on that. Or not the play-in, the in-season tournament. Gotta circle, gotta circle. My cool throw- I don't think Paul George's knee's gonna be fine. I don't think so either. Because usually the Sixers when they say that when their players knees is fine. It ends up not being fine agreed

My cool throne are space nerds Slash Rockets. Yeah. Mm-hmm. They caught a rocket the Mechazilla Has caught the super heavy booster. I love it. Mm-hmm. I the super heavy booster. Love it. Mm hmm. I was curious, PFC, because you're a plane guy. Does that carry over to rockets? This being a plane guy carried rocket? No, I don't know shit about rockets. So you're like, yeah, when you're obsessed with planes, I didn't know if you like when you see a normal healthy interest in planes. The video was cool, but people and it apparently was like, you know, a historic thing that happened where they basically got a rocket to land and the nerds

freaking out was so funny yeah i wish i wish i wish i could you know see that video and feel the passion that they felt because there was a lot of of passion and excitement over this rocket it looked to me like basically they just took a rocket taking off and just reversed it which is so i don't know what that is a fake video no but but I just don't know I was trying to see the hype Mm-hmm. I think what the and I didn't think we're just a ties If you're if you're a nerd space nerd or a rocket freak I think guys like you and I might be desensitized to it Hank because we've seen Sci-fi videos our entire life, right? We've seen movies about outer space

we've seen video games of Rockets taken off and shit and so seeing that happen in real life when I've seen video games of rockets taking off and shit. And so seeing that happen in real life when I've seen it a million times on an Xbox is like less exciting than it should be because he did fire a rocket up into the stratosphere or whatever and then came down and got caught. So that means that now you can reuse rocket boosters, which is good. Yeah, I, I saw this video and I was like, I'm very dumb, obviously. But I was like, why didn't they just do that the whole time? Yeah.

Catch the rocket. Well, that's what Elon said when we were throwing away all our boosters. He's like, why don't we just bring it back? Yeah, just catch them. It's not hard. Just catch them. What's the thing called the Mechazilla? The Mechazilla was what caught it.

It caught the super heavy booster. Okay. I think it's a good thing. Yeah. I mean, people, the space nerds are excited about it. So, cool thrown. Whatever keeps Elon busy making cool shit like this and away from making just humanoid robots that one day will take all of our jobs? That's Bezos. I'm fine. No, no. Did you see the Tesla thing? Oh, the cab? Well, the cab and then he also had a cab was kind of cool No, the cab was okay, then they had the robots that were like walking around. Oh, yeah, the robot bartender

Optimus fuck that robot bartender, by the way, if I go into a bar and there's a robot bartender I'm doing one of two things. I'm either walking out or I'm putting a magnet on it I'm gonna start carrying around magnets Just like things up. Although I do think it would be a good idea if if Barstool Sports got one of the robot butlers Yeah, I think that would be a good use of our money. I would like that Good job Hank. Thanks. You didn't steal mine, which I thought you would great job Hank Thanks My hot seat is also having to preseason basketball my beloved Wizards who are losing every game by an average of 30 points, which is crazy. But I'm excited because I first of all, I feel bad for Corey Kispert. I like Corey Kispert. We should trade Corey Kispert.

And then just run a NBA jam style two man team of Kuzma and Jordan Poole out there every game. Yeah. And then just lose every game. Because I've already decided that Cooper flag is going to be mine. What happens about the lottery? The Cooper flag? Cooper flag lottery. Cooper flag happens a lot. I don't want you to get hurt. Cooper flag lottery. It's Cooper. I'm I'm all in I'm on Cooper flag watch right now in DC. But the lottery balls could not go your way. No, that's not gonna happen. We never gotten go your way no that's not gonna happen really never gotten the lottery ball that's not gonna happen you're used to football tankathon yeah I still math you will flattened they flattened the odds

singled on one guy right now what's the percentage chance that you get if you have the worst record I think it's like 20%? Yeah, 20%. It's 20. It changed it recently to avoid teams like fully tanking. So it's not as high. Yeah. 14. What is it? 14? Yeah. 14%. And they flattened it. So it's like the top three worst teams. So they basically try to avoid this now. I again, I don't want to bring up anything bad, but you've literally never gotten the lottery. This lot. It answered me this this is this the lottery machine that they use for the NBA draft. It's basically the same thing as well I got the other one

All I'm saying is I've never I've never been as I've never been as confident in my life of anything as the fact that the Wizards are gonna get Cooper flag Okay, I'm gonna be so happy Wizards are going to get Cooper flag. Okay. I'm going to be so happy Wizards, nets, pistons, and I believe from a quick glance, Bulls are the four lowest projected wind totals. I feel like I don't think you saw the news ball. Lonzo's back, baby. Everybody's going to work. But once you want, I mean, if you know, yeah, I don't rather be in the bottom four. Yeah. I don't think their Bulls are going to be good. That's also if it's those four, it's going to be Pistons or the I mean, the Nets are the bulls. Yeah, well, the Nets NBA is gonna rig it for the bulls. They would rig it for the

bulls. The Nets they have the Nets beat us by 30 points last night, I think. preseason maybe 35. But again, if it's the three, they flattened it. So it doesn't matter. I just I had a feeling I got this feeling last night that Cooper flag is gonna be wizard. And it's the three they flattened it so it doesn't matter I just I had a feeling I got this feeling last night that Cooper flag is gonna be wizard and it's gonna happen I've never been more confident anything would you I was wrong it's it's nets blazers wizards piss I was like bulls don't balls are gonna be I missed a half wait decent ish bad Nets blazers they're gonna be like it's a if it's you if it's you blazers in and pistons you got a chance Yeah, I got business always just get the fifth pick. What are you gonna say max?

Do you still want to have the worst record? I feel like you do cuz I feel like you still think that that that will help you Yeah, it does. I think when you first thought it you thought it was just doesn't how worse record is though You get it you think you didn't think I knew what the NBA lottery was I don't know just said it does help you it doesn't know it does help you to have a worse record No, the worst I know it's not the worst is not I know it's not the top team You you just need to be the one of the worst three or the worst story I completely understand and each team has was it 14% Yeah. Yeah. I completely understand and each team has, what is it, 14%? Yeah. Yeah, I completely understand the concept.

I'm just telling you that I know that we're going to get Cooper Flag. Vibes. OK, good luck. I'm rooting for you. I respect vibes. On vibes. I respect vibes.

What if Cooper Flag's not the first pick? Does it then that will mean? He's going to get him anyway. There's no way. What if he stinks? That means that we'll be second. That would be funny. We'll pick second and we'll get we'll get Cooper flag

What if the way flag could not play this whole year? What if the Wizards were somehow good but Cooper flag sucked? There's that and then you got Cooper flag with like the 17th pick of all the unlikely things For both of them to happen at the same time that's what that'd be funny because then you would kiss you cuz you You you're gonna get credit if you get Cooper flag, but you get a lot more credit if you got Cooper flag with the 17 pick with the 17th pick, then I would be outing on my side. Well, that would also be just an insane vibes call. Yeah. He'd also probably have

one leg if that was the case. 17th pick for the way that means that we all right, settle down over there. I know, you know, you got a dream team. No, I mean, there's a chance that, that he's not the first pick overall next year crazy things have happened What's his name Bob Bob the business has gotten the fifth pick? How many years around three and they've been the worst team I? Think two out of three. I'm I'm willing to tell you right now. I will stand on this hill, and I will plant my Representative banner to say that we're getting flag.

You don't have Jerry tweet about it. Why? Oh yeah. I love flags. This is very smart of you because if you don't get Cooper flag there's literally no downside. Just stamping your flag. Yeah, disappointing. You risk nothing.

No, but this is great if I get it right. No, it's smart play. I'm going to get Cooper flag. That's impossible. Well, the Celtics are out of the Cooper flag running. I'll say that too. One less team to worry about. We'll take our names out too. Sixers are out.

Nicks out. Nicks are out. Listen, now that 14% has just become like 14.12%. It's huge. I love this shit. Huge. Yeah, I mean, listen, nothing would bring me back faster as a Wizards fan than, than Cooper Flag.

Uh, okay, what's your cool throne? My cool throne is me and you, Big Cat, respecting the troops. Oh yeah. So, uh, when we had Paul Skeens on, we did that interview on September 4th, the day after his start. I said I'd match his hundred dollar per strikeout donation to the Gary Sinise foundation. I said a double.

Did you say that you double? I think so. I said, I think I said I would not match your double. I think I said I'm just matching. Um, so I owe $2,800 to Gary Sinise. He's fine. I just paid it. How how much 2,800. Oh nice. Yeah, so big cat you owe 5600 Alright, but it's a good foundation. I'm donating right now for the troops

Yeah, we respect the troops on this show. We want them in the playoff Shout out Paul skeins yeah, we're gonna do it he throws gas he does was that it sounded like it was yeah you sounded like you were who y&w Henry good name for you all right my hot seat which I think I thought Hank would take, but I guess maybe we're so close to basketball season that he's just, he's taking his eye off the ball, the golf ball. The hot seat is the Ryder Cup. People are very upset about the prices for the upcoming Ryder Cup next summer at Beth

Page. They have, they released one of their packages, which I believe includes food and no alcohol, but it's $750 for a day for a day. And now normally I would say, listen, golf fans probably have expendable money because they're going on golf trips and all that stuff. But this is such a fuck you and a mistake to trying to get a home field advantage if you price out rowdy new yorkers who want to go to the rider cup and scream heinous shit at all the europeans you've completely ruined this agree so figure it out rider cup the common man needs to be at beth page going absolutely bonkers in Rory's face.

We should, we should put together some sort of a like adopt a golf fan drive where we just have the most obnoxious ones. Yeah. The most obnoxious, like the guy that was wearing the Lamar Jackson Jersey that walked through the streets of Baltimore. Um, but just gets to get the most rowdy fans ever and then put them up at Stu Finer's house and have Stu smoke them out and drop them off at the last. We don't want to smoke them out. Well with Stu's shit. I think we need him.

I think we need to have him drink Everclear. Okay, well we can do that too. Get him fucking crazy. We can do that too, but put them up at Stu Finer's house and have Stu get them nice and warmed up. Yeah, we need. And just do a bus service back and forth. The Ryder Cup you you have to have

a home field advantage. You have to have drunk people going nuts, especially in America. I know Europe, they may be a little bit nicer. Not us. This is bullshit. Yeah. Figure it out. I want the Europeans complaining actively complain. I won't worry crying. Yeah, I want to see tears. I want them saying I'm all I'm all for friendly competition up to a certain point. Hank, were you not going to speak up for the common golf fan? No, I want to see tears. I want them saying I'm all I'm all for friendly competition up to a certain point Hank Were you not gonna speak up for the common golf in? No, I mean it is bullshit. I didn't have it on my list, but it's also the players aren't even getting paid Where's all that money going?

Yeah, it's a good question good point, but yeah fix this Ryder Cup you fucking losers we need people we just need like the like the the just think of like the tailgate at MetLife Stadium. I want those people on the 18th green just going nuts. Yeah Jets fans. Fireman Ed. Yeah. Alright my cool drone is our guy Jim Harbaugh because he said after he did a press conference on Monday And he said it will it'll take my heart stopping for me to not be out there. Mm-hmm. So I also would like to Welcome you guys if you would like to join me. I think it's always fun when we hop on something together pause

Yeah, I've decided to put a future on the Chargers to win the Super Bowl. The Super Bowl? Yeah. You're thinking Super Bowl? I was looking last night at prices. They're 45 to 1. I don't think they're going to win the Super Bowl. I do think we'd get in a spot where they get to the playoffs and we could potentially hedge.

Question. 45 to 1 is pretty crazy. Question, is there a world where we get to the playoffs and we're in a spot to hedge where you would actually hedge? No, but that's my sell to you guys because you guys could hedge I know that's a no for you yeah but you guys could right now I'm pretty heavily tied up in 45 to one how boys are 35 to one don't do it do you know I'm looking like they think the Cowboys Bears Steelers have better odds than the Chargers Bears do their foreign

to the whole you just threw the Bears in there yeah he's a jerk those are the Bears Steelers have better odds than the Chargers. The Bears do. They're four and two. The whole point- You just threw the Bears in there. Yeah, he's a jerk. Those are the three. It goes Cowboys, Bears, Steelers. I'm just reading the DraftKings. I'm not saying the Chargers are going to win the Super Bowl. What I'm saying is I think the Chargers will make the playoffs.

Tell me their schedule. Do you guys want to join me in this? Right now, would they be in the playoffs? Standings Conference right now. They would be the sixth seed right now to be succeed. So here's let me lay it out for you guys. I Think we can all agree that the Chiefs the Texans the Ravens and the Bills are gonna probably most likely be in the playoffs So that means there's three playoff spots for the following teams. The Steelers, the Chargers, the Colts, the Broncos, the Dolphins, the Jets and the Bengals.

I think they're better than the Dolphins. I think they're better than the Colts. I think they're probably, I know they lost the Steelers but Herbert was hurt. They're better than the Broncos. I think they're a I know they lost the Steelers, but Herbert was hurt. They're better than the Broncos I think they're a six or seven seed picket Do you remember two seasons ago when I put that that future in on the Chargers? I knew you're gonna bring this up. Do you remember that Harbaugh changes everything? I expected that but I just wanted to remind you I knew you I agree with you

I think it was like doesn't 30 or 33 ish to one. Yep I don't matter and then everything that I said would happen happened. They made the playoffs. Nope. Jim. How big was it? 27? That was the chart. And then I stopped saying the word chargers and that was the charge. They were the C words. Yeah, that was the chargers. This is Jim Harbaugh's team. It's Jim Harbaugh's football team. I that it does make a little bit of a difference. It makes an enormous difference. the last time I smashed that button he's I was unhappy. Okay here. I'll give you the schedule real quick This is I looked at all last night. Okay, this is all I need. All right away It's just a schedule at the Cardinals. Yep Saints. Yeah at home. Yep at the Browns Titans

Bengals, that's the next five games. Yeah, I'm in I'm in I'm in yeah, that's all I need I just needed to hear that. Yeah, I did the schedule last night I think they're gonna get I think they're gonna get to 10 wins and then we'll figure it out when we get there. 45 to one is crazy. And I also think that it's going to go, I think you might even be able to cash out in four weeks time because I think they could probably win their next four games. And if they're sitting there, it's what is that face? I'm not cashing out in four weeks. Okay. I'm just, I'm giving you guys options and also PFD, I didn't finish so they do have a little tough stretch where they have to play

Ravens Falcons Chiefs Bucks, but then they finish the season at home with the Broncos at Patriots at Raiders Okay, so last three weeks of the season they should I Think they're gonna make the playoffs again I don't think they're gonna win the Super Bowl, but you could hedge and 45 to 1 and it's Jim Harbaugh and he literally just had a heart attack on the sideline and he won the game. He had yeah is what did he have the Arrhythmia 2-0 in Arrhythmia's? Shane's gonna be very upset when he finds out about this. I'm gonna need I'm gonna need some of his merch. Yeah and it's a fun team because it's not a team like I was looking I was like the Ravens again I

think the Ravens probably win the Super Bowl. But again, like to, to go through that, you can't do the chiefs Niners. I, you know, the price is too low. I was just trying to find one of those teams. That's just way in the back. Whoever wins the, uh, the bears commanders matchup, they're going to skyrocket too. Probably on the odds on the, at least some of the playoff odds for him, which got flexed by the way. Yeah, so we're the afternoon. We're 315 for 15 Eastern Bears commanders

There's something we should keep our eye out on that too because there's a tie-in every four years with the commander's last home game Or know the election. Yeah before the election. Yeah, so it's the commander's last game before the election if They win if Washington wins, then I think it's the commander's last game before the election. If they win, if Washington wins, then I think it's the incumbent party wins the White House. If they lose, then whoever the rival party is, they win the White House. So if you're a person, you're rooting for the bears, you're rooting for the bears. All Trump people are rooting for the bears this weekend are in two weeks. And then all the other Democrats are rooting for the Bears this weekend are in two weeks and then all the Democrats are rooting for the commander. So it's home game. I let's see it might just be last game because

the Giants they play the Giants before the election. Oh they do. Yeah. So it might not be that it might just be the giant wins the election. The sixth I think fourth six. Let me see. I'm gonna have to listen to today's I'm sort of boss. We don't figure that out fifth the fifth, okay Anyways to me. Maybe it's not that game. Yeah But yeah, they did flex it. I did I was so scared. They're gonna flex it tonight. I did not want a night game I'm not I was having this discussion with Eddie and Chief and White Sox Dave like I Don't I need kill Williams to be good for a couple years before I start actively rooting for night games. Yeah, I don't want people to look.

I hate having all eyes on the Bears and just everyone looking and being like, ha ha ha. Don't need that. And also if it was a night game, whoever won that game, well really whoever lost that game, there would be so many people just being like your quarterback sucks no matter what. Well they're gonna do that. And they're both good. Yeah, no matter what. Also, I am glad that they caught that Ravens fan. Oh, yeah, he's fucking that guy's a big piece of shit Yeah, hope he goes to prison. Uh, okay. Let's get to our interview with Tom Coughlin great interview PFT

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start with Coughlin time? Because it's, it's, it's obviously something that, uh, the lore of Coughlin time goes everywhere. What exactly are the rules to Coughlin time? And thank you for following them. The rules are your five minutes early and if not, you're going to get fined. That's all there is to it. Straight hands, famous deal. I was two minutes early and three minutes late. That was his quote. Yeah, that's all it is. You know, really the significance of

that whole situation is I want people who are so interested in what they're doing and who they are, and being the best that they can be that they don't they they don't they are there they're early they're there to show their enthusiasm and their desire to succeed that's where that all came from yeah and is it true that the clocks in the facility would actually be set I heard there were 15 minutes early no no they were all five minutes early everything was five minutes ahead of time. Yep. So would you go around looking at the clocks and holding up your watch and be like, that's

not, that clock's not fast enough. We need to adjust. I didn't have to do that. They were, they were right on. Cause I had people assigned to that. Yeah. So you were basically, you, you were living in the future constantly. Yeah, maybe I was, I was trying to be ahead of it. That's for sure. Yeah. So you've had a back to back weekends where you've had incredible honors. I want to I want you to tell me which one was was more important to you.

You were put into the the pride of the Jaguars, which is like the Jaguars ring of honor. And then the next week you got a bobblehead night for the Giants and Bengals Which one which one was more impactful to you personally? Well, you you can't make those kinds of differentiations. They're both To be in the pride of the Jaguars, you know, I started the franchise and so as I explained to everyone that would listen It was like my baby, you know, Wayne Weaver had extended to me the opportunity to start a franchise. And and the more and more that I thought about it during the time we were speaking, the more I was interested in deal breaker is when Mr. Weaver said to me,

now, we want to fashion ourselves after the Dallas Cowboys. At that time, it was Jimmy Johnson. So you would like personnel as well, right? And I said, yeah, I would like very much to have personnel. So that's the way that started. But the significance with the New York Giants of the 100 years, if you can imagine that, 100 years of New York Giant football,

and on the occasion of a celebration recognizing the 2007, 2011 World Championship teams, they were giving out bobblehead dolls, which happened to be my fixture. I don't know how you recognize it with this mug, but anyway, I knew it was coming and we had some fun with it. We had some people do supposedly funny things,

the funniest of which was Strahan, in which he reviewed the time that I find him for being two minutes early, three minutes late. But it was all in good humor. And I was obviously humbled by both experiences. Do you have your bobblehead? Did you take one home? No, I didn't get one. What?

They wouldn't give me one. We got to get you a bobblehead. Yeah. We need one. That would fit real nicely up there next to the two lombardy's. That might be the most impressive thing on your mantle. Yeah. I need that for my grandkids. Yeah.

So going back to you starting the Jaguars from scratch, that's fascinating to me because it's like it truly is a blank slate moment where you build something out of nothing and you're put in charge of starting an NFL franchise from the ground up. How do you even know where to begin to start with that? How did you figure out what was important as your first thing? What would be the second thing and how you build that out from absolutely nothing? Well, the interesting concept there is when I, when I was 23 years old, I was a head coach of the division three team that was going from club football to varsity football and I did everything

You know, I bought the equipment. I scheduled the games. I scheduled the transportation. I set up the preseason schedule I set up the the fraternity house that we were going to live in etc, etc So I had done on a much smaller scale that type of thing before but remember I was hired in February of 1994. Our first season was not till 95. So what I did was I simply set up a calendar prioritizing the different departments that we would hire and the significance

of each one of them according to the calendar. So for example, I brought five coaches with me from Boston College, but the personnel department one of them according to the calendar. So for example, I brought five coaches with me from Boston College, but the personnel department was the number one thing that I had to establish right away because that gave us a chance to work a year ahead of time on the evaluation of talent throughout the league, throughout the college games. So my coaches and my scouts would go out every weekend and we would go to a college game on Saturday, me included, and a pro game on Sunday so that we got a really good feel for that. And then as time went on, I was able to visit franchises, to visit teams. And in so doing, I gathered information about, you know, Art Modell drove up to next to me in his golf cart and said to me, Tom, you got your team

picked. So I was there watching everything, but Mr. Modell had a pretty good idea why I was there. Yeah. Yeah. So it was you and the Panthers at the same time. Was there any rivalry there? You just want to stay one step ahead or were you guys checking in with each other? Well, we didn't check in with each other, but we were definitely rivals and that they built theirs. Bill Polian was there right away, but the head coach wasn't hired until Dom wasn't hired until a year later. I was hired and I had personnel right away in 94. Yeah. The, uh, so, uh, the Jaguars run was, was incredible. You go to two AFC championship games, uh, and, and you have had in your career, you know,

obviously everyone thinks of the 2007 Superbowl being 17 point underdogs and beating the Patriots, but the, uh, divisional game in 96 against the Broncos, cause that was the Broncos team that then when M one two Superbowls right after. So that was a Superbowl team. Uh, you go into mile high with the Jaguars second year as a franchise and you beat the Broncos as 12 point underdogs. What, what is it about those spots where you are such a big underdog and everyone's saying there's gotten, they got no chance. What do you tell the team beforehand? What are you thinking? And is there a part of you that's like we might be in trouble today

or is it just hey we got to just do our thing and we might have a shot at this? Well what it is for me it's the competitiveness part of it. You know go ahead and tell me I can't do something. That's what I always taught my team. You know go ahead tell me I can't do something. That's what I always taught my team. Go ahead, tell me I can't do anything. And if you remember, okay, you go to 96 as an example. I mean, nobody gave us credit for anything. If you remember what Woody Page said about us, he called us the Jaguars. You remember that? Yeah. And that was, of course, plastered all over our building. But the way we looked at it was, and if you remember, we had to beat the Falcons to get in. We beat the Falcons on the week 17 where Morton Anderson

missed a chip shot field goal. Actually, when he slipped, you could see him slip and missed, and we got in. And then we decided, hey, we, you know, and I could see the players growing and thinking, you know what, maybe we are pretty good. Maybe we are. And so we got in and we talked about winning and went to Buffalo played, you know, against a great, uh, personnel package, if you will, with Jim Kelly and the Buffalo Bills. And we were able to win there. And, um, and on, we went to Denver with John Elway and Mike Shanahan. And, you know, if we don't beat them there, they're going to win three in a row, as you guys know. Right. But in that game, there are so many things.

And you saw Jimmy Smith and you saw, you saw Mark Brunel scramble and run and, and do all those kinds of things. And I'll remember, you know, we took the lead late in the game with significance. And I said to Dick Chiron, our defensive coordinator, because Elway was gonna score in a two minute drill. I mean, that was the thing they did incredibly well over all the years. And I said, Dick, they had no timeouts left.

I said, they can score, but make sure they score under two minutes. And sure enough, that's how it happened. And so we recovered the onside kick and the game was over. We just knelt down. Yeah, but it was the one of the real important things to remember about that game. Not only the fact that we won against a very, very good football team, and an outstanding coach is that when we returned from Denver,

the pilot, I could tell he wasn't really going to the airport, he was heading around and what he did is he flew over the stadium, he banked the plane, we looked down, there's 35,000 people in the stadium at two o'clock in the morning waiting for us to come back. That's incredible. Those are the kind of things you remember.

Yeah, that's amazing. Didn't they throw a parade for the Jaguars too before the franchise even kicked off? I think they did. They had a parade. And if you'll remember when we signed our first 10, they were right off the street. Yeah.

The Sunday morning newspaper, you know, thought that these were the saviors of the world. And there were some good football players in there, but they were guys that were, were street free agents and we signed them early. Yeah. You were talking about the best way to get you to do something is by telling you that you can't do it using like the bulletin board material. I heard a story about Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys.

I think it was 2008. He might've given you a little bit of bulletin board material before that playoff game. He might've promised his players some tickets to the next round of the playoffs and you found out about it. That might've happened. Yeah, that might've happened. But I think the thing you need to remember first is that, you know, the 2007 season is a remarkable season if you, if you'll just drift back to that At the end of 06 they wanted me the media wanted me out of town. They wanted to fire me

Everybody said get rid of Coughlin get him out of here blah blah blah blah And so I did a lot of things much differently but one of the things that I did do is I hired Steve Spagnolo and Steve was with the Philadelphia staff. Andy Reed was congenial enough to allow me to interview Steve. And I knew we had a connection. We had both worked for Jack McNeil. Steve worked for Jack over in NFL Europe. I worked for Jack in Boston college. I coached Doug Flutie. So there was a connection there.

So we hired Steve and Steve was our brand new defensive coordinator. And I really felt good about the direction that our team was going in pre-season. You know, we had a leadership council, Strahan was going to retire and came back, but we promptly went out and gave up 80 points in the first two games and we're 0-2.

So when we go to Washington in week three, if we don't beat Washington, they're probably gonna fire me then. But that was the way the whole thing started. It ended up, remember week 17, when we played the undefeated New England Patriots who were going for a 16-0 season. And it was one heck of a football game.

We played our starters. They played their starters. Of course, everybody said, you can't win. You can't win. We lost 38-35. We had the lead in the fourth quarter, but it was a great football game. And I went in, and the next morning when I came into work,

there was a light on on my voicemail. And I listened to it. it was John Madden. And John Madden was telling me how, he was so proud of what we had done. He said, the NFL is not about, the NFL is about competition. It's about winning. It's about playing.

It's about playing your best. You don't rest players, you don't do that. This is the greatest thing that's happened to the NFL in the last 10 years. And I hope they realize it over on Park Avenue, that kind't do that. This is the greatest thing that's happened to the NFL in the last 10 years. And I hope they realize it over on Park Avenue, you know, that kind of a thing. So the, and Fox had the Superbowl that year and they had every game going in.

Not one of the Fox experts ever picked us to win any game. Yeah. Starting in Tampa, of course, then going to Dallas, obviously that was the second round. But when we got there, what you just mentioned, it was true. In other words, Jerry had put two tickets on each player's stool in the locker room for the NFC championship game,

which would have been at home there in Dallas at Dallas one. We found out about that, you know, and of course, I just suddenly mentioned it to my team and that gave him a little extra incentive, if you will. But it was a heck of a, again, a heck of a football game. And if you remember, we scored just before the half. Kevin Boss, you know, Eli to Kevin Boss gets it out to midfield. And eventually Monty tumor, who had a great game, started the game off with a, like a 50 yard touchdown with a catch of nothing more than a curl route, spun out of a tackle, went out and scored.

But when we tied at 10, 10 at halftime, that really was a little bit of a dagger. Uh, and we came back out and eventually won the game, but, uh, but Dallas had beaten us twice during the regular season. Yeah. Yeah. Or did he beat the team three times? Did you get those tickets from the Cowboys players? You're not going to use those. Yeah, they wouldn't. Yeah. They didn't mail them to us. So, so, uh, and I want to talk about more of that run, but you, you mentioned something there that, that I find fascinating. Obviously it was talked about a lot, but the Oh six season, they want you fired. You have to take a little bit off your fastball is basically what it was described as. Maybe, maybe don't

be as difficult on the players. What, what did that look like day to day? And was that hard for you because you're, you know, your old school football guy, football coach where you're working the players hard, your conditioning drills are legendary. What was that like though for you to have to change it and be a little softer with the players? Well, let me just say this to you. Every day you're alive, you'd better be learning. You better be learning. You better be adjusting because things change. The world changed. So I recognized some of the things that I'm talking about. Number one, basically for me with the players was communication. I remember real early in my giant career,

I'd walk into a team meeting, I'd give them exactly what I thought is straightforward as I possibly could, for example, how we're gonna win, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then I'd go stand while the players walked by and half the time they weren't even on the same page with me even then. So for me, it was communication.

So what we did with the players was I started a leadership council and I had players from each position, okay, who met with me on a weekly or maybe once every two weeks. And I gave them the information they needed as players to go back into their meeting rooms and be able to educate the other players in the room as to what was coming. For example, you know how guys are about holiday

and they get itchy, and if you don't get that information to people right away, then that's another hurdle you have to jump over in a communication thing that might be a distraction. So for example, I would give them the Thanksgiving schedule a week or two early and they could cover that. So, and I would say, fellas, I don't want to hear about it after that. Okay, let's get back to work and focus on what we're doing. But that was the case. Another thing I did is I spoke to the guys from the media, the print media who were there every day,

those hardworking guys. And I listened to them. We took the gloves off and I said, you tell me what you don't like about me and I'll tell you what I don't like about you. And we really came through it in such a way that I recognize I'm a blue collar guy. And I recognize that these people were as well.

And I recognize I could help them a little bit without giving something important away. And so I did a better job with that. I communicated better with the players. I communicated better with the media. I laughed when it was funny. And I still made them realize when the real stupid questions came

that I wasn't real crazy about that. But you know, but that's how this whole thing started. And if you remember, Michael was out, didn't come into camp until right at the end of training camp. But to show you the significance of Michael Strahan, he walked in the door one day, the next day we vote for captains,

he's a unanimous captain. I mean, he had leadership skills beyond which the greatest natural leader had ever been around. But that's how we started. We started O and two. And the point I made with you about the playoffs was that the Fox team of experts didn't pick us to win one game, okay?

Not one, they picked Tampa as unanimously, they picked Dallas and they picked Green Bay unanimously. And of course, there was no way we were just, we were just the other team in the super bowl. Yeah. Yeah. It's, I mean, back against the wall.

What, how, how much to that shift from 2006 to 2007, uh, did it help maybe that Tiki Barbara retired? Cause you guys obviously butted heads a lot. I don't even know if you guys speak to this day, but that, that feels like that probably helped the locker room a little bit as well, right? Well, that was taking his Tiki's decision. And you know, he let it be known that he was going to retire and throughout the course of the season, he continued to let it be known.

But Tiki was a heck of a football player then. But he retired after the oh six season. Yeah, we should talk about that Green Bay game because I think we've got a bunch of questions about that. Maybe the most gritty coaching performance that I've ever seen. Your face turned a shade of red that doesn't exist in nature during that game. You were just head-butting the wind,

and it must have been very, very cold down there. Did you feel cold during that game? Because we were worried about your health on TV. First half was, was cold. The second half, I didn't, I didn't feel anything. I went out pregame. Okay. I went out pregame without gloves, with a baseball cap on, you know, and I got out

there for about five minutes and I thought, how the hell am I going to get back in that locker room? You know, it was, it was very cold. Now minus 23 minus 27 wind show 27, wind chill, whatever fancy you choose to pick. But we came out offensive linemen, no sleeves. Eli, to Plexico, threw the ball like it was 75 degrees. It was amazing. But one of the real good stories was in the first half, I called Lawrence Tynes over next to me and we didn't look at each other. We just looked at the field, you know, like we were, and I said, Lawrence, can you make

a 46 yard field goal? He turned around and walked away from me. In the fourth quarter, you guys remember, we actually missed two field goals. He missed one legitimate, there was a bad snap on another one. Okay, so, you know, that was one of those deals. Well, the game goes to overtime. We have the coin toss, they get the ball first. Brett Favre throws an interception on the first play. Corey Webster's got great hands, he makes the interception, he runs the ball back a little bit, not much. We don't gain a yard.

It didn't seem like we gained anything. It comes to fourth down. I don't say a word. I look at Lawrence Tynes. Lawrence Tynes throws his cape off, runs out on the field, I yell, field goal, field goal. The field goal team goes out, the coaches in my headset are saying,

no coach, don't do that. If he misses, look at the field position they'll have. It could have been a 55 yarder. He hit it so well. Now you remember this and you've been in the backyard as we all have. That ball was as hard as a rock. Yeah.

Okay. That ball was as hard as a rock and he hit it that well to put us, you know, in, in the, uh, in the super bowl. So after the game, did, did you seek medical attention? I would have been like, somebody help coach out. Like let's get some, but I got a lot of people that were interested if, you know, was it, uh, you know, to what degree was my, was my face that red was I frostbitten and all that business. It looked like it was melting. How long did it take to thaw out? Well, well, I probably, probably until we got on the plane. I mean, we were, we were, we were,

we were in there with chicken noodle soup and all that stuff right afterwards. But of course, we had the Fox group in our locker room celebrating the, the, the team that was going to go to the super bowl. Yeah. Winning that game warmed me up very much. Yeah. Yeah. And then going into that super bowl, obviously the 18 and no Patriots, there were comments, the probably the only time Tom Brady's ever slipped up in the media with that famous, uh, you know, clip where he kind of laughed at the idea that they were going to be held to 17 points. When you see that clip and your team sees that clip, what was the confidence level going into that game knowing you guys have played them close in the last week of the season?

Well, we practiced actually an isolated hotel that was out in the middle of nowhere. And the guys went in maybe the first night, got to the restaurants and so on. After that, pretty much they stayed around the hotel because it was a pretty good ride. So our focus as a team was really good. And I really thought that we'd done a very good job of practicing and preparing. Now that's with the exception of David Tyree's Friday. You remember that? We had integrated David Tyree, who was a wide receiver, a Pro Bowl special teamer. We had now made him a short yardage and goal line receiver because he was strong. He could block. He blocked and he was tough.

So we knew that when David Tyree tried it out on the field, Bill Belichick was going to, it's run, it's run. And we took advantage of that. But on the Friday before practice, before the Superbowl, when everything is supposed to be perfect, David Tyree dropped everything. The ball hit him in his helmet. He dropped the ball in his hands. I mean, he literally couldn't catch anything. And to tell you the type of guy Eli is, practice is over.

The coaches are a little concerned. We're not going to say anything at that point in time. I'm not to upset anybody. But Eli goes over to David Tyree puts his arm around him and he says, David, we know forget about practice today. We know that when we need you, you'll be there. And that was an interesting sidebar. Yeah. But we practiced very well. We were prepared and I felt mentally our guys were in a really good place. Even the Saturday before Sunday Super Bowl, the guys were kind of with their families around the pool, spending time together, you know, enjoying themselves, not too far from the thoughts about the game as well. Our meetings that night went very, very well. So, I felt really good that we would play

a good football game. Now, I don't know the outcome. And obviously, the 17th game of the year, the 38-35, was nowhere near what this game was gonna be like, because this game became a defensive battle, a battle of field position, a battle of taking advantage of one another. And we had a turnover early.

You remember that ball was a little behind Steve Smith and it tipped it up in the air and they intercepted it. We were on our way in at that point in time, but it was a back and forth, back and forth. And then of course they drove the ball at the end and Brady put them ahead with about what 237 to go. And that's when that drive started where the David Tyree catch, the great catch.

And people want to make light of that. That was a great catch because physically, if you remember the position he was in, you know, with Rodney Harrison, a big strong safety, you know, behind him, and Tyree is up high in the air to catch it, one arm gets stripped away, pins the ball against the helmet with the other arm, goes down with Rodney across the back of his knees doesn't let go of the ball secures the ball you know which was truly a great play by Eli getting away number one then when you throw the ball down the middle of field if it's overthrown you know it's going the other way David Tyree makes the catchbook we're not in the end zone yet we need to touch down

yeah we need to drive the ball in. Steve Smith on third and 11, just getting enough for the first down. Then the all out blitz, Eli sees it. He tells Plaxico, I'm coming to you if it's single coverage now. Plaxico who's got the bad knee. I didn't even know he was going to play. Right up until the time when I had to turn the inactive list in, I didn't know Plaxo was going to play. And Ronnie Barnes takes them out, works them out, comes in, he says, just a couple of words, he's going to play. He's going to play.

Boom, we're on the field. And that fact he was out there causes them to play the game that they had designed based on his effectiveness, obviously, in the Green Bay game. So that helped us just have a Plaxico on the field. And then he made it, you know, it was actually a slug-o move on an all out blitz. It was an all out blitz. Patriots were coming with everybody, balls in the air. You know, from my vantage point, I'm saying, was this ball ever coming down? Can this ball get down quick enough for us? They can't recover. And sure enough it did. And, uh, and we still had just 35 seconds. Brady had the ball, you know, the game is not over fellas. Yeah. Yeah.

And he almost found Moss downfield on that, on that default. Yeah. Yeah. The other rocket throw, the other little story from, from the, uh, David Tyree catch our, our, uh, he's, he's passed away, but Jared Lorenzo, who's our friend, uh, he there, they came out afterwards that he, there was a drill you guys used to do where he would violently try to strip Eli. And basically I remember seeing a video where it was almost like exactly the same of what Eli did in that play. Um, that, those are just the little things that you as a coach are like, we have to practice these moments, even if they'll never come up.

That's right. Ball security is number one, you know, next to points for points against it's turnovers. Those are the two things, but you know, just getting, being in position to secure the football and you see it today, you, You see the number of people that are going for the punch out, knock the ball out today. It's a big theme in the league right now. But yeah, anything we can do, the high and tight principle for our runners

and receivers once they catch the ball. And the quarterback being in a position where those both two hands remain on the ball until you're ready to release the ball. All of those things, the little, little details, you know, over and over, the mundane, over and over and over. You never know when it's going to be the factor in a game and obviously in a game that close against that great, that was a great football team. Guys, they were the greatest offensive machine in the history of football. Yeah. Yeah. And so every little thing that that you could

do to help secure the opportunity to win you had to do. So right around that time, actually that entire season, one of the ongoing storylines was the Spygate thing with New England. It was like every week there was a new development about it, right? So going into the Super Bowl, did you take any different precautions with your practices? Were you like looking at every camera that was around checking the sky for drones? Were you like lot were you different? Was it a different sense of like preparation in terms of keeping around that? You remember we practiced at the Cardinal facility. Okay. The Patriots were somewhere else and, and you know, there, there's built in privacy in a pro,

you know, operation. So I wasn't worried about that. I, I, I thought we were secure. Yeah. Okay. We'll get back to Tom Coughlin in a second. This episode of Pardon My Take is brought to you by Call of Duty Black Ops 6. Black Ops 6 has so many new features and even more exciting content. You can dive into a mind-bending single player campaign, best in class, multiplayer and round based zombies, which you're all so excited for on October 25th. Our entire office will be playing Black Ops 6 and likely have guys streaming all day. We anticipate this game to really lower the productivity over here at Barcells, so the replacer will really have his work cut out for him. Head on over to

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coached him or a guy that you see that maybe is up and coming that you're like, that's, that's someone special. Well, there's, you know, obviously if you're, if you're watching football, you're, you're always thinking about, you know, gee, this person, that person, whatever. The thing today in a lot of circles is the running quarterback, okay? But, but the thing that I see and has always been the principle for me is, and you remember, we're just thinking about

the London game here a little bit ago, and Eli had a running touchdown in that first game in London, you remember, in 07. We were the first team to play over there against the Dolphins. But if you watch how Mahomes runs, he doesn't run until he has to run. He doesn't want to run. He wants to run to throw the ball to have more time to throw the ball. Those are the things. Because you remember, for us, Eli started 210 straight games. Yeah. I mean, as a coach, if you can tell me

that I'm gonna have my starter, okay, for 210 straight games where he can prepare, where we know the quality of the preparation and the work that he will put in, and that he will bring the experience factor one week to another, one week to another. That's what pro football is really all about. You worry to the extent that if a guy,

you're gonna take hits in the pocket, big time hits in the pocket. The quarterback's protected today, better than ever. I get it. I was a part of that. I wanted everything. I wanted the quarterback protected, okay? And he is protected. But when you run, you're a runner, okay? And no holes barred. All bets are off. But to have your guy line up every week for 210 in a row, I mean that's an incredible advantage for your team.

Was there something about, I mean Eli had an incredible career. The crazy thing about Eli is during the regular season, you probably couldn't say he was ever playing at like a top three quarterback level, but then your two Super Bowl runs, he just was out of his mind good. Was there something that you could see in him

where it's like playoff time and you're like, this guy, I just know that he's gonna be nails when we need him. You look at his eyes. Yeah. His eyes, he is the greatest, people argue with me, I get it, but he's the greatest big play, big game, excuse me, big game quarterback that I've ever seen.

I mean, the way he approached things and the fact that you know he really really accepted the challenge. He wanted the challenge you know. He wanted that. I mean he knew what his comparison was against Tom Brady for example you know and quite frankly rightfully so. I mean they stacked up a bunch of Super Bowls, but in those games, under those circumstances, you know, call it his pedigree, call it what you want. But this guy, you talk about making plays when he had to make them. Look at the Manningham catching 46, Super Bowl 46. And I, well, I'm looking at it in my own mind. I don't realize Eli's back there maneuvering to get the ball off in that situation, you know, and he made that throw. So you talk about big play, big game people.

Wow. I mean, I'm taking him because I've seen him do it under any circumstance you can imagine. Would you ever have to try to trick them though, like in a week eight game, be like, hey, this is a big game Eli, we're gonna need, we need big game Eli here. Oh no. Well, you look at that year, the game 17 against the Patriots, that was the game when you know how the media is, 50-50.

You're gonna arrest your players, coach? Yeah. You're gonna arrest, no, no, we're playing to win. And my team bought that completely. Yeah. You're going to arrest your... No, no, we're playing to win. And my team bought that completely. Yeah. What was the look in Eli's eyes? How could you tell it was different?

There was no question about his focus and what was going on. No matter when he took the field, you could see it. Yeah. If you knew the player, you could see it. Tied in with Eli is going to be your son-in-law, Chris Snee, who you drafted. Was that the same draft as Eli? I think it was. Yeah, they were one, two.

They were roommates. He was your second round pick. Did you have to lean on the scouts a little bit to be like, hey, I think this is the guy we got to take? And they were like, sure, coach, he's your son-in-law. I understand. We have to draft him. No, they did it the other way around.

The whole organization felt, we had Chris Snead in the first round, the middle of the first round. That's how high we had him rank. And when he slipped like that, there was no question in the room about who the best possible player was. And we took him in the top of the second round and it proved out. I mean, you talk about toughness,

you talk about serious guys that wanna, they wanna win, they'll work and they'll pay the price in order to win and they'll do things the right way. And the camaraderie that developed in that offensive line, with Richie and Sean and Kareem and David Deal and left tackle, those guys were, they loved each other, they played for each other, they backed each other up when things were going. And the guy who did it by virtue of his actions, not necessarily his mouth was Chris Snead. I love the idea of

the scouts and the other guys in the draft room having to convince you to draft your son-in-law. Yeah. That would be very funny. So I heard a funny story about him. I heard that sometimes during maybe a week where you weren't so happy with the coaches, with the offensive line, that they would ask Chris to bring your grandkids into the facility

because they knew that it would soften you up and you wouldn't be so angry. Did you know that you were being manipulated? No, I did not know that. But I know that during pre-season, they would be there a lot of times where I'd get to, throw the ball with them and roll around in the grass after practice.

Yeah. I wanna go back real quick. In the beginning of your coaching career, you were on that Parcells staff that won a Super Bowl for the Giants. Belichick's on there as well. When you're there in that moment, this is before Belichick becomes Belichick. Did you know that he was special and there was the way he coached his defense,

he was going to have this career going forward? Like, can you feel it in that room? He was a great football coach. There was no doubt about that. I don't care how old he was. He was very thorough. And as a defensive coach, you know, he coached the secondary, all right. And I had the receivers and we worked together a lot. And we were always bugging Parcells for more time or, you know, you know, red zone, tight

red zone, one-on-one and all the things you need to do to be ready when you come out of camp for the season. But Bill did a, I mean, he did a great job. I mean, his defensive plans are epic. I mean, the game against the 49ers, you know, there's this talented a team as you'll ever play against. And what we were able to do, we win by field goal. But neither one knew, although when Bill, I think thought about that Cleveland job

right there at the end of the season, much like I was thinking about the BC job. And so him getting the opportunity was not a surprise at all. And it didn't matter how old he was. Yeah. Yeah. So I read a story that going back to your college days, your RA was Jim Bayheim, Syracuse head coach. Yeah. Bayheim was an RA on our floor, Sadler hall. And those days we had, uh, uh, the top 44 were in Sandler hall and Bay. I'm was my RA. He's your RA. So did you ever get in trouble? No. You were a good, good student. Never had

to worry about high school. Yeah. How was that? How did that game go? He was, well, they drilled us. He was a senior with a really good basketball team. And we, we started three sophomores coming out of my high school. Now, the interesting thing is that they were a double-a school. Lyons was a double-a school and they, I don't believe they won the sectional. We were, you know, we were all sections in New York state was section five. They would get beat and we won the section five class eight, three years in a row. Yeah. He's, I mean, it's just funny. Just I, Jim Bayheim is one of those guys. I could never imagine being young. I, yeah, but I could always imagine him being an RA. That's a good one. I'm not sure. I'm not sure that, you know, he, he, he's legendary about his shooting ability, especially in high school. But, uh, he, you know, he prided himself as

a defensive coach and he was a great one, you know, that two, three zone, which probably was everything and everything, you know, depending on what you did. Yeah. I got a weird question. Um, and this might be because it means more to me than probably anyone else in the world Do you remember when you were on the the head coach of the Jaguars? Do you remember the kid that got his head stuck in the statue? It wasn't you was it no no no we actually interviewed him like a couple months ago again This is remember I remember the the what the buzz about it about it yeah I don't remember I didn't see it okay all right but you

remember maybe hearing about it being like hey kid got his head stuck in the statue so wait but you were in charge of everything from the ground up with the Jaguar so that statue you signed off on yeah I got the kid stuck, yeah. I was hoping it was a good luck charm. Yeah, no, it wasn't. I don't think it has been. No, not necessarily, yeah. So I also read that you went on a USO tour with Jeff Fisher. Was that after the Music City Miracle?

Well, that was in 08. That was in 08, 09, right in there. Yeah. I was General Raymond Odiurno. You know, the commander in chief of the Iraqi National Force was a good friend of mine, a giant fan. So I was originally going to go with General O over to Iraq anyway, but it became a USO trip. So it was Bill Cower, it was John Harbaugh, John Gruden, Jeff Fisher and me. And it was a great, great experience for all of us

because you know, the word was, you know, the troops, the morale, the troops were great. They had great morale. And on the 4th of July, now President Joe Biden, who was vice president at the time, came over. That's why all five of us were in one room. We were in one of those palaces and we were in a big room, like bunk beds, except there was one double bed.

I said, I'm taking that one. They all laughed, but I got it. Fisher had to sleep over by the door because he snored so loud, nobody could stand him in the room. But we had a really, really great experience. We listened to President Biden and General Oh as they made citizens of 257 soldiers that were in our uniform, but weren't even, how about that one? They weren't citizens yet. So that was the 4th of July. We went to Mosul that had just been bombed

the day before. And I'll never forget, they met us on the tarmac. The tarmac was 112 degrees that day. We land and we get out. They said to me, why don't you go with Coach O? So, excuse me, with General O'Deano. So I get in the car with the general and that place has just been bombed and I'm thinking to myself, is this a good idea? If they're going after somebody, they're going after the big guy. I'm in the car with them. Maybe not my best call. Yeah, that's just such a funny visual to me is the group of you guys, you, Gruden, Fisher, the whole squad, and you were hanging out in Saddam Hussein's palace, right? Yeah.

Oh yeah. That's where we stayed. Stay in the same room. There were seven of them. We stayed in one of them. Yeah. I mean, the amount I mean you, the, the amount of football you've seen and, and stories you have, it's incredible. I got, I got one last

question for you. It's a row back question. This has been so much fun coach. Uh, R H O B A C K.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback.com promo code take. I mentioned it at the start. You should be in the hall of fame. I don't know. Has that something that you've you know obviously have in the back of your head. But are you are you like hey what's going on here because we talked about the Jaguars starting a franchise to suppose with the Giants going even through like some of these playoff runs where you guys were underdogs maybe one of the best underdog coaches ever.

Is that something that you know, you think about or is it? Don't forget those two, those two F AFC championship appearances are in the first five years. Yeah. Also the Jeff, we mentioned Jeff Fisher, but that was, that was tough that year that you guys went 14 and it was yeah, 14 and-2 and the only losses were the Titans. Yeah, yeah we were 15-2 when they beat us in the AFC Championship game. Yeah he had your number. Does he remind you of that? He had your number that year. No he didn't remind me but I'm aware of it. Yeah. He doesn't have to remind me because to be honest with you that's one of the most disappointing things that I have in my briefcase is that one.

We were up, we were up 14-10 at the half. We flumbled a punt right before the half and they kicked, I think they kicked the field goal. And they may have scored, but anyway, we came back out in the second half and they had their way. You should be in the hall of fame. Big cats, right? Let's, let's get people talking about that. And you also, your, your foundation, which is, does incredible work. Uh, can you,

can you tell everyone about what you, cause you've always been giving back. So the, the, uh, the Kauffman foundation, which, uh, we should, we should at least mention what, what are you doing today with it? I appreciate it. If you mentioned it, we just had our it. We just had our major fundraiser in New York at MedLife Stadium, our 20th, what we call Champions for Children's event. The foundation is 29 years old. I started it in 1996 when I was in Jacksonville.

When I was at Boston College, my very first year at Boston College, my starting strong safety was a young man by the name of Jay McGillis. Tough kid, came from Brockton, Mass. You know, great family, mom, dad, siblings, the whole deal. We come back from Syracuse, I think it was our ninth or tenth game, and the trainer came to me and said, you know, Jay's, I don't think Jay can play this week. I said, why not?

He said, well, he's not feeling well. And his throat is all swollen and we can't. And I said, well, can we get him better? And it wasn't a sore throat and it wasn't the mumps. It was leukemia. And it was a ravaging form of leukemia. July 3rd of 1992, we lost Jay McGillis and it was a crusher for our whole team. But the experience that they went through and as close as I became to the family and

watch what the family went through, one of my linebackers, Mike Panos came to me and said, coach, we got to do something for the McGillis family. They're, you know, they're at the bedside of a sick child and they're coach, we got to do something for the McGillis family. They're, you know, they're at the bedside of the sick child and they're not, they're not able to pay any bills. They can't do anything. Like, so I said, okay, sit down, Mike, let's talk about it. And we came up with a plan where the players went into the community and got pledges for, you know, for maximum lifts. So in those days in college football, in the spring, we'd do a max bench squat, power clean, you know, the whole deal.

So they went out into the community and they got pledges. We raised $50,000. We gave the McGillis family a check for $50,000 at halftime of the spring game. Well, the idea was implanted in my mind, Judy's and mine, that if we ever had a chance to give back, we would give back in the name of the image and likeness of Jay McGillis. And so in 1996, we

we started the Jay Fund Foundation, which has as its objective, helping families who have a child with cancer. And we've done it for 29 years. We have helped over 5,800 families and we've to the tune of over $28 million. And we continue because the fight is ongoing. The battle does not get accomplished. It's an everyday battle and struggle for these families

because when they hear those words that your child has cancer, the whole world changes for them. If there are two, if there are two family, two people in the family are both bread burners, one has to stop. Okay, because someone has to be at the bedside of the sick child. So, but this is what we do. My daughter, Kelly Coughlin Joyce is the CEO of the J-Fund. She's done a great job. We have a great team. We have a great team of devoted people to this cause.

And one of the things we've just started to do, which has really made a huge difference, is we take 10 families to Win Dixie or Stop and Shop, and we turn them loose in the grocery store, and then we pay for that. And we had 10 families the other day who had $20,000 in grocery bills. And we do this, we have the J-Fund as in New York, New Jersey, and in grocery bills and we, we do this. We, we have the J fund is in New York, New

Jersey and in Jacksonville. That's awesome. That's great. So awesome that you're giving back like that. Well coach, this has been a great time. We really appreciate your time. And uh, yeah, we're going to be on coffin time now. You got us. Thank you guys. Yeah. Showing up early. Yeah. Get that time at five minutes ahead of time and tell people why. Yeah. Yeah. If you're not early, you're late. Yeah. Maybe even at some time you might want to take the sunglasses off. You never know. I doubt that. Now you're going too far, Coach. I'm in your doghouse. I love it. You're right. Alright. Thank you so

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panky and maxi. Just want to say thanks. Love everything y'all do and truly makes my weeks better listening to y'all question. What's the biggest miss y'all have had like a chance to interview someone that you had to say no to and haven't got the chance again yet what are the chances of getting jaded on the pod soon since we got Caleb a few months ago he has been on the bottom on he was on during his Heisman campaign yeah Adam on Adam on oh I right now Blake of the year lottery ball yeah Blakey but that was fun. It was bad, but it was fun. Biggest miss. Um, I would say doing a television show. Yeah. No, but in terms of, yes, I don't know. We had, this was, this was pre COVID I think, uh,

when Mantis was worked for us and he, this is before he blew up and he was like, Jack Harlow's come in the office You guys want to interview him we said no and then like I think within three months He was like the biggest rapper on the planet That was a miss. I think about that one sometimes Zach Brian day, but yeah Billy was that brown. Yep. No Zach Brian. Oh, yeah Yeah, Billy was like close to Zach Brian before he blew up That was a billy's credit. He kept being like hey, we got to get this guy on the show

He's gonna blow up and we'd be like, okay, but I love his music Yeah, and we'd be like, all right Billy and then we'd forget and then two weeks later Hey, do you guys really should have him on do you want me to tell him that you guys want him on? We like yeah one day and then next thing, you know, he's I wish I had listened to his music back then cuz I would have said yes Zach Brian, please come on the show We'll make it up to you. Yeah, we will make it up to you. But yeah, I don't know. I feel like we've gotten almost everyone that we've Yeah, no ton of misses. What was the other part of that question? Was there another I get Jayden on? Oh, yeah

Yeah, I don't I don't need Jayden on right now right I mean had him on I'm in the mode we'll get him on I'm in the mode of just don't touch anything yeah we will definitely get you not the last thing Jayden needs is for my dumb ass to just have him on the show and tell him how awesome is hey PMT boys PFT specifically what happened to PFT trying to take the bar he bragged he could pass and talked about studying and never mentioned it again. I can. I can pass the bar. I'll do it. He's gonna do it when Hank dunks. No, that's more of a, it's more of an off-season thing. I'm in football mode right now. So I say I'm gonna do a lot of stuff at the start of every football off-season. I usually accomplish like 25% of that. I think I, I actually, we had dinner with

25% of that I think I I actually we had dinner with With Dan Morgan a few months ago, and I was telling him I think I could pass the bar you guys aren't that smart He was like you you might be able to so I think I'm I think I'm gonna become a lawyer Just like casually mm-hmm, and then I'm gonna sue everyone are you done Yeah It's kidding it's we're getting that the weather's turning. I'm training every day. I'm not. It's not something I've like, you know, forgot about. Okay. I'm going, I'm not drinking till Thanksgiving. Wow. Really? Overdrive. Overdrive. Did you drink last weekend? Yeah. Okay. What about just went into overdrive? Yeah. You're just you're just went into overdrive yeah you're just

you're three days into overdrive yeah what about Halloween oh come on you got it no you're not a Halloween guy everyone's a Halloween guy go ahead memes question memes so would will this dunk be live stream or is it like a just a solo video itself no be live streamed I Want to do it Friday December 21st speaking of big videos. We don't have to worry about it Over Christmas we we are we are going we're working on Getting max pitching for dingers only and we might have upped it in terms of no offense UIC, but up to competition Might have like a keyword might have we're still very the way we're gonna do it If we do you I see again that they're gonna kick the shit out of max and the dart stream will be before Thanksgiving

Sometime the next three weeks, okay, so you'll be sober for it for sure. Oh the entire stream You're not gonna have a single drink no for that entire two weeks. No What what are you say max? I had nothing to say are you ready to pitch I Mean I'm gonna get shelled Your fuckers beast believe in yourself your beat I mean if I don't know I don't think it's actually gonna work out, but if it does work out I'm gonna like I'm gonna get fucking smoked. I'm gonna be out there for a year I'm very worried about my knees want to to trade? I'm worried about catching. Oh

No, oh Okay, Hank next one We can end with this one. Hey slim cat PFT PFT hall cocky Hank two sodas ass crack max My question is after doing the show for all these years has ever actually feel like a job or does it just Still feel like shooting the shit with your buddies and talking ball? I would say that, uh, between the lines, whenever we step into the studio, mics are on. It doesn't feel like it's never felt like a job.

I'd say the only time, yeah, the only time it feels like a job is if it's like a truly dead period of time. But we do Mount Rushmore season. So like kind of reinvigorates us in the summer. That's oh Shane just walked in fist pumping because we bet that's not a good thing. Shane do you know. Do you know my. Do you know my futures. Like what has happened. You're going to lose to my homes in the playoffs. That's what's going to happen. I missed what you say. Why are you fist pumpingpumping the the Chargers? But yeah, I know but that's bad I lose all my show what what if you cash out? I'm not gonna cash

I'll say this right now and you can shame me. You'll probably future you will be like, how can you go? No, I will no no no cashing out I'm not I'm not gonna shame anyone because I that was part of my pitch I a hundred percent intend to cash out and and then probably put that cash out on another team to win this can I tell You what you really should do then? Put it in twice Have a cash out option. I I their charges are will not win the Super Bowl and I will be cashing on this But now I really want to charge to win the Super Bowl now. I'm really not cash

I'm gonna fucking run the table. Oh, yeah for sure really not cash. They're gonna fucking run the table. For sure. But yeah, it's like, the beauty of this job is not only that we all love each other and work well together. And I was thinking about the other day and my dad was taking a shower. It's like, we're getting very close to 10 years. Like, I was shocked. We're coming up on nine. Hank sent those videos over of us going to the Jaguars Bears game. And I thought I heard him say eight years ago

Yeah, there's no way that's eight. Today's the anniversary of Miguel Montero's Grand Slim We were all there in the bleachers eight years, which is crazy Yeah, no it did it doesn't for me the only time it feels like work is if we're doing something where we're at work for like 14 hours in a day and then it's like okay. I'd be nice to go home at some point But as far as doing the podcast, it's I don't think for a second. It felt like work to me. Well. I think it's your your point is it's not In the studio no, it's just that when we're doing like logistics and like there should that work stuff that comes up But it's never in the studio and the beauty of the show and what we love to talk about sports is that like? Sports are ever-changing so that's why it works that we always have new material like that. I've said

it before. I love I love love football. It's my favorite sport. But around February when it's like the end of the season, like I could talk about something else for a little bit. Yeah, and then I could take a break in the real dead zones. That's when sometimes we get the weirdest Yeah, which is usually pretty good. Mount Rushmore season. Should we rip a random around my mom? We all go It's occurred to me that without football

Especially if we're talking like early July mid-july the summer We go temporarily insane. Yeah, we really do and we just we just create ways to entertain ourselves When in the back of our head our real personalities are like just give me more football. Yeah Random Mount Rushmore real quick people like this Mount Rushmore of teams that can win the Super Bowl this year Yeah, wait. No who goes first I? Went first last time so Hank Hank Chiefs Ray that's a really good pick Hank that was a really good pick Ravens

Uh, pick. Ravens. That's a really good pick Hank, that was a really good pick. Ravens. Lions. Oh fuck, you guys are really good picks. Damn it. Ah, I don't think the Vikings... Ah. Niners? Don't let people bully Intent Taken. Oh, Hank made a face. The walls. Niners in this one. No, I can't do it. Texans. The Buffalo Bills. That's great value. Great value. Yep. Yeah, Cooper. I'll go Vikings. Okay. There's a big value out there that I passed on that. I actually think should have been a first round Packers. Yeah

Mmm It's good my rush for Fuck it bangles. Oh, I love it Eagles Eagles somebody want to know you laugh do you want to talk about the odds because the Eagles are currently 16 to 1 and the commanders are 30 to 1 so okay cool so that was a good laugh good I'm glad you enjoy looking at us we were talking about

value you certainly have we were talking about you've had a lot of we were talking about a value of fucking confidence in your Eagles max Yeah, no, but I mean you're not in a position to be laughing yet. I'm laughing you haven't been real You have a laughing and for the decade for the record for the record. I'm laughing I'm laughing Matt is a good Mount Ross 30 to 1 take it take 30 to 1 I'm not gonna take it because take 31 agree with you I'm laughing. It's so funny to me. He's laughing. Okay. Clip this. Who are you saying? Just world clip this. Clip it. Okay. World. Yeah. Actually. Yeah. Please clip it. Please clip it. And then we'll update this. We'll update this

argument at the end of December. When neither of our teams make it out of the first round. Probably. Max is probably a hundred percent correct neither of our teams make it out of the first round. Probably. Max is probably 100% correct. We're both going to lose in the first round of playoffs. We'll be like, remember when we yelled at each other about which was better? Yeah. Okay. We took the Niners.

They've been off the board, huh? Oh yeah. Did anybody take the Vikings? Yeah. I think you should go take the Commanders. Can you gotta take the commanders. Can you put this in whisper font? Commanders. Okay.

I will not. Alright, jets. There you go memes. Jets and chargers. If you didn't pick the chargers. That would have been so funny if one of you said Chargers. It's like dude no chance. I'm taking the NFC version of the Chargers, the Atlanta Falcons. And I'll take the Bucks. I mean that was pug. I mean I was I'm going I'm just looking at the odds the Bucs have the next best odds

Give me I Think I think Ross is gonna turn some things around give me the Steelers It's a good defense Super Bowl winning experience good value super winning experience at head coach wait What do you mean Super Bowl winning experience who on the team Russell Wilson the Bears better value there But there's would have been better better value do they have super winning experience on quarterback and coach You guys don't understand the word value where I'm literally good. We're going off of odds. He's going off odds You would you not take the Cowboys no, oh Hank the new coach Tiffany is gonna be upset about this.

She's trying to get Rich, she's trying to get the GM fired. What? Jerry? Yeah. All right, that was good Mount Rushmore. Just feel, we gotta stay in Mount Rushmore shape every now and then. Also Max, the commanders made the playoffs like, was that 2020? Yeah, they did did Heineken he covered he covered against Tom Brady would beat you guys in week 17 there's also made the playoffs that's kind of crazy we both made the playoffs and we

both were like there's zero percent chance anything happens yeah whatsoever you all there was also like when I picked the Eagles there were not a bunch of good teams left. Ah, Jets, Chargers? Yeah. It wasn't a crazy time to pick the Eagles. Devontae Adams, bro. It is, it's crazy when you take into account what you've been saying about the Eagles for the last like two weeks. But at that point, when you go to the third round, you're not picking teams that you actually

think have a good chance of making. It's also a possibility that sometimes people on the show say things to intentionally stir Max up yeah that's also true that I am bad at reading all right numbers three fifty nine five five memes you want to switch with me eleven are you sure I'm giving you a chance. 99 pull. 3 is not good. Memes, you can have 3 right now.

Nope, 17. 21. That means I torture chamber. 37. 37. You never close when you keep saying that. Love you guys. So So So So Thanks for watching!