Pardon My Take - Cowboys Legend Daryl "Moose" Johnston, Greg Maddux, Preseason Week 2 Hot Takes And The Mt Rushmore Of "Wait That Guy Played For That Team?"

Episode Date: August 21, 2023

Week 2 of preseason and we have some hot takes based on twitter clips we saw. The Ryder Cup team has some automatic entries and Hovland had a round of a lifetime (00:00:00-00:19:47). Who's back of the week including the Yankees being absolute trash and more (00:19:47-00:36:05). Daryl "Moose" Johnston joins the show to talk football, cowboys, the fullback position and what he expects in the upcoming season (00:36:05-01:16:19). Greg Maddux joins the show to talk baseball, Shohei Ohtani and crazy Greg Maddux stats (01:16:19-01:42:35). We finish the show with the Mt Rushmore of "Wait he played on that team?" (01:42:35-02:08:19).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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it's hard to my take. There's enough of our sports. Welcome to part of my take today is Monday, August 21st and football's back. Big time back. Big time back, baby. We got a lot of preseason games where no one's starting.

Mm-hmm. It has become preseason week two, is preseason week four. You have to establish who the winners and losers of each preseason week where I've got two winners for you. Okay. Okay, actually three. One mile is jacked because he retired. Yup. And he's just like, fuck this. I don't feel like going train to camp anymore.

Yup. I'm out. I might be a plumber. Yeah, he said I was thinking about being an electrician or a plumber. Yeah, he said I was thinking about being a electrician or a plumber. Yeah, then I decided to maybe come to training camp and now I'm out. He's going to be on task rabbit. Yeah, I'm going to be able to get him over to your house, fix your toilet. Um, I would say he's a winner. Will Anderson, just because he had an awesome play where he like blew up running back,

he's sacked the quarterback, got a fumble. That was cool to see. And then Kenny Pickett. Yes. Two touchdown drives. Dice them up. Uh, dice them up. Dice them up. The best handoff I've ever seen.

Yeah. That 66 yard run. Jaila Warren, who's very, who looks, is there a running back controversy in Pittsburgh? There might be. There is. So Kenny Pickett, I think the small hands might actually make him the best handoff quarterback in the NFL. He, that throw to firemuth and the firemuth hitting the dab.

Steeleers look ready to go. Steeleers are my surprise team. Yeah. No one's talking about the fire booth hitting the dab. Steelers look ready to go. Steelers are my surprise team. Yeah. When it's talking about the Steelers, we are. Yeah. I'm always thinking about the Steelers. I, uh, I, I, I'm judging my week two preseason, uh, hot takes based on clips I saw on Twitter. Yeah.

So you want them? Exactly. You want to come to my heart. I got the will Anderson thing from. Yeah. All right. So here are my hot takes. Trayland sucks.

Yeah. Well, that's even know how to play football. You could watch that on any variety of platforms that come to the same conclusion Yes, that he I It sucks for him because again, I didn't watch the whole game so maybe he played well for a little bit I don't know but the one clip of him throwing Just standing there with no pressure. Well guys were open feeling pressure that wasn't there and then miss throwing it. That was a bad lock. He's he might become the new Tivo where people just like stakeout practices find one bad throw and then it goes viral. And and also that one. Remember that

he missed by like 15 feet over the guy's head. The guy's head. Yeah. And everyone's like, well, this is this is Kyle Shanahan. He's gonna unlock the offense. It's a real vertical. Brock party is back. Yeah. so good for Brock Purti. If they even got hit a little bit, if they didn't hit on Brock Purti, if the 49ers didn't find that like pot of gold at the end of the draft, people would be talking about John Lynch.

It'd be like John Lynch gave up a lot of picks for Tray Lance, not working out. He did. My other one is, Bijon Robinson is the best running back of all time. That was a great, great performance by him. He's a clip monster. Everyone's like, look at this.

It's just B-John finding, and also I am part of Bryce's, but I think Bryce is young more because the talent around him. That was tough for him. It was tough. He did not look good at Bryce's stuff. Yeah, that's Bryce's. I'm a Stroud boy. And I'm a Bryce's. You can be in Sam Halux here, you be the haliban.

Yeah. I'm also rooting for, Shane, make a Photoshop of Sam Haliban in a Taliban gun. Yeah, yeah. I'm also rooting against Price Young this year because the Bears have the Panthers pick, but I am a brisket guy. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. It's so funny just like,, we didn't hear that, I think, like, oh, pig gets into ISIS. Yeah, no, I am a big time into Bryce's. Yeah. Who else is there? Daniel Jones, Dan Tifa? Dan Tifa. Is there Dan Tifa?

Jones town. Yeah, Jones town. Yeah, Jones town. Yeah, Jones town. Okay, well, thank you some other ones. Yeah, but yeah, that was my Bryce Young's going to be in trouble. He doesn't have a lot of help. Turns out DJ Moore was probably what a young quarterback needs.

Yeah. It's kind of night. What is it? Is he the leading receiver in Baris' history right now? I think he would be. Yeah. Some who. Crazy set.

We had a preseason score, Gummy. Yeah. 18-18. 18-18. Can't get excited. No, but it's preseason for score, Gummy's too. That's okay. You can, he was tweeting, the kicker was

Instagramming highlights during halftime. Who? And then he missed two kicks. Who was? I think it was the Bears kicker. Oh, no. Kade York was doing it. Kale, she led you, was Brown's, yeah.

He was share, oh, it's Brown's. Don't do that to me. I don't know. Yeah, it's like, oh, bad kicker. Bears tie, or the Bears lost to the Colts. Yeah, it's like all bad kicker bears tie or the bears lost to the cults Yeah, no one played and so on either side except for Tyson badgen. I don't know if I say his name right He played quarterback After PJ Walker division two Shepherd universe the all-time touchdown leaders love shepherd universe

He might there might be bears might have too many good. I knew a lot of guys that dropped out of WVU that ended up going Shepherd Universal. This guy hotspot is awesome. Yeah, it sucks like getting I was like on Saturday. I was like, oh nice bears played tonight. Gonna watch at least the first quarter and then I realized wait, no one's playing this sucks. Yeah, I'm amped up from Monday night football. Yeah, who's playing? It's the commanders in the Ravens.

Oh, Ravens. So I'll remind her. Yeah, that's a Ravens. Thank you, Jake. I'm gonna bet amped up from Monday night football. Yeah, who's playing? It's the commanders in the Ravens. Oh, Ravens. So I'll remind her. Yeah, back to Ravens. Thank you, Jake. I'm going to bet the Ravens. Tocate RIP, our sweet prince, Lolita the killer whale. I actually did a moment of silence. She passed. She passed Friday night.

Did you? Yeah, the whole West Wheeling, West Virginia was very confused. She passed away. The Colts are one and oh against the spread after Lolita dies. And you know what's the worst part about this? Hank is so happy. He's so happy that this poor killer whale died. Well, if you were, if you were conspiracy theorists, you'd think that Jim or say knew that

this whale was going to die and said, I'm going to tell you what, I know I'm in the news for some hot water stuff with Jonathan Taylor. I'm going to transport this killer whale across the country and then it just died. We should have met. Yeah, let's match. Let's match. I will match the next Orca that gets transported by Jim Arsac.

I will help fund if we want to do, you know, cremation of Toki Te, Lolita, and then put it in the Pacific Ocean, I will help. Is there a giant toilet that they have there? That's the world? Yeah. Let's look at this. You guys feel partially responsible.

I think part of it was this plan was gonna work. The stress of telling Lolita that she had to get on a plane. Do you think she's an AWL? She just took weight on flying? Yeah. I've never flown before. She can't fit in a fucking plane. She knew that way.

It's probably you, Hank. It's probably you probably scared the shit out of her because you're like, there's no way that that's gonna work. That's true. We were very positive. We're like, this is gonna be great. She's gonna get to see her family. She's gonna live in the wild for the rest of her life

or at least like 15 acres worth of wild ocean. She was doomed. And then well, she missed out. Very sad. Hurricane Hillary. Yeah. Hilldog coming back. Put another one on the list.

LA freaking out. There was actually a bunch of people just tweeting universal studios clips of like different rides that have flooding. Yeah. And then actual media members being like, can I use this on the broadcast? I absolutely love that.

Is there any reason why people ask, is it okay if I use this video? I don't know. It's part of the protocol. I treated the shark on the highway and I was like, everyone please use it. I was going, yeah, so somebody sent that to me. I didn't tweak as It's part of the protocol. I treated the shark on the highway and I was like, everyone please use it. I was going, yeah, so somebody sent that to me. I didn't tweak as I was on a plane and a couple

was breaking up. So I was paying attention to them. Okay, so also Teddy Bridgewater wearing number 50 is a replacement. Numbers weird. Hate it. This might be an old man take, but it's crazy. It is crazy.

Is he going to wear that in the regular season or just preseason? If he makes the team, I think he'll get another one. Um, he has number five right now. That's so strange. Yeah And the last thing I started when we said wide receivers could wear teens. Yeah, yeah It was so much better when they wore those boxy. It's a nice 88 on a skinny receiver making them look just fat as shit Yeah, um, last thing was Jordan love had to throw that maybe nervous What's that we don't talk about that? But if we're doing clips and I'm being honest. Yeah. Oh Zach Wilson Oh, yeah, yeah, meams. Did you watch the jets? Yeah, Zach Wilson. Thank you Hank for finding something else to talk about there Yeah, oh, I was just telling I mean, I was being honest. That was very unbiased of me to be like hear all the clips

I saw I did see a clip that got me nervous. Yeah Zach Wilson It's it's tough to grade Zach Wilson. Well, on a scale, well, we're grading him on the Zach Wilson scale. He had a perfectly Zach Wilson performance. He's also the quarterback of the future. Yeah, he's here and Roger say that. He's like, I'm just here for a little bit. Gonna help out the team and then Zach Wilson for the next 15 years.

15? Yeah, 15. That's a lot of years for him. I mean, that would actually make, I think if, I'll say this right now, if Aaron Rogers makes Zach Wilson a 15 year starter in the NFL, he is the greatest quarterback of all time.

That's very true. Like, that would be, that is way more impressive than winning a Super Bowl, any MVP to make Zach Wilson a 15 year starter. That would be the greatest quarterback of all time. Do you think that that Aaron Rogers is gonna get into coaching after he's done? He seems like he likes the coach.

He's quite a great dude. Yeah, so why not? I think he will. He loves people. I think he will. Loves just being around people. He needs to be able to hug all his boys ever with. Yeah, yeah, calm fat as shit.

All right, other things. The rider couple looks like it's official. Congrats Max. Max, well the first six are officially locked in. Brooks though is now out. Well, Brooks is gonna get, he better be voting. He's a captains pick.

He should be a captain. If he's not then I'm gonna like disavow the US rider cup team. Yeah, I'm gonna have to. Yeah, he'll get in. And also Victor Ovelin had like the round, the back nine of life time. You buried the lead. Max Homo set the course record. Yeah, he'll get it. And also Victor Hovelin had like the round, the back nine of a lifetime. You buried the lead, Max Homa set the course record.

Yeah, and then Victor. On Friday. But Max Homa set the course record on Friday. I said it. The shortest lasting course record ever in the history of the beat. Ten birthday chip. Yeah.

It was amazing. And yeah, Homa's on the on the Ryder Cup team. I'm very excited about that. I can't wait for the Ryder Cup. It's coming home. I'm coming home. I thought Victor Hovelin had way more than accept that shocked me. Yeah. When you're okay. Yeah. Yeah. Victor Havlin. He's the guy that he's on Man City, right? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. No, he's not in Saudi Arabia now with with Rahim Sterling. Got it. Yeah. No talking.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. We did have a soccer final. We did Spain. I I think you're saying messy It's funny. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah, we'll mess these a goat and we all know he's a goat He just keeps proven that we have 10 goals and seven games in the MLS He's the best. Some people are saying MLS is rigged That they brought messy over and they're letting them score all these goals because there's no way that the professional League can be that bad where message is steps and dominates right? That's not a possibility I don't know if you've ever watched MLS before, but I think it is definitely a possibility. The shootout was awesome. It went to like- Wait, it was a shootout? It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout in the finals. It went to a shootout, the messy finals went to a shootout, and every player shot, so the goalies had to come in for the last shot, and messy's goalie drilled his, and then the other goalie got his block.

That was pretty cool, but... Yeah, the women who, uh, Science, right? I, uh, I was abstaining for the women's world cup after the U.S. got bounced, that's not, uh, it has nothing to do with misogyny. I just root for my country and then I'm out. Yeah, uh, so I tried to see how long I could go

without finding out who won. I left the golf on for a little to like the TV on and I found out Spain won. One nothing. John Rompt. John Rompt. Yeah, they showed just a bunch of sad English fans. Yeah.

They can't win anything. They can't win. I can't win anything in the women's world cup. I went over 14. That's beautiful. Over 14. It's all that's impossible to do. Yeah. That's so. O for 14. It's, that's impossible to do. Yeah.

That's so hard to do. And you didn't even get to watch them. I did it. You just lost sleep best. I watched the last 10 minutes of the finals this morning. I woke up early and watched it just because, I was like, surely one has to go. And I know less about women than any other person

on the planet, verified. Yeah. That's true. Don't get them. Don't understand them. Max. Hey Max. Yes. Anyone't understand them. Max, Hey, Max. Yes. Anyone mentioned Tiddy fucking to you this weekend?

Oh, I mean, that, that was tough. Why? Uh, I mean, I guess that's the new thing that people are just saying to me in the streets. But why was it tough to me? I mean, this week they say it. Uh, and why was it tough for this? Well, normally, I mean, they say and they're like, you're, you were right about Tiddy fucking. Huh. But, uh, there were lots of clubs. Say it and why was it tough this normally that I mean they say and they're like you're right you are right about titty fucking huh, but

There were lots of cup I went to the cups game with my with my mom and my dad There was about five different guys who came out to me and be like yo, you were right about titty fucking man My mom was just so sad with me That one point my mom wait wait your dad disagree She was mad at you because you're wrong about to. Yeah. Also, was your dad like, no, no, he's wrong. My dad was doesn't say anything. Oh, there's some other big news on the pod. Yeah. I don't know if we want to get that out of the way right now off the top. Oh, he's the paintball video came out on. On the night and Jake the snake best in the office a true alpha Shot Hank in the back after Hank made Jake surrender in the corner now Jake do you there is a technicality you could lean on here

Yeah, there's a few things What's your spin I have a spin for you? Yeah, well one in the moment I told Hank this Billy was right there yelling things. I thought Billy was the one who said it fog a war It's a fog a war said surrender and we should go watch the video Jake and black water have the same excuse Okay, okay, so I thought he was talking to me, okay, and then I said okay, so I thought I was on my own the got you Was the best part yeah I did not think it was Hank he said that it's the funniest video I hate just around Shout out to people hard I was, you guys suck at people.

Those shit. We're awful at people. Yeah, I lost a lot of sleep. I had a lot of regrets and I just feel terrible. Okay, so you're not used to technicality because I have one for you. What do you think was longer than 10 feet? No, what's yours?

Hank said surrender. You just said, okay, you didn't say surrender. Yeah, I never said the word surrender. That was the whole thing. Technically, he never said surrender. He said okay you didn't say surrender. Yeah, I never said the word surrender That was the whole technically he never said surrender said okay, right? Okay, but he didn't say surrender I also there's no way you thought Billy said it Billy was right there Why I swear on my life, but why would Billy? Well, we're gonna kill you Why would Billy be telling you to surrender

if he was on your team? No, I thought he was just saying. And you didn't know you said the words okay. No, I knew I said okay. You thought that Billy surrendered to Hank. But then you said I didn't say anything. But then why would you do a knowledge bill? That's a good point by head.

I said I didn't say anything, I didn't say surrender. But you said okay. Yeah, I said surrender and you said okay. Jake's lying kill me in the back. You better kill him because otherwise once you turn around, shoot you. Yeah, I mean, I've got you. This is the got you.

I've lost a lot of things. The got you so good. It's so good. And that's not genuine enough to act like, to be like, I didn't know what was going on. Also, I said something beforehand. It didn't make the final cut, but I said, I'm very uncomfortable with this gun.

Get it out of my hand. Yeah. So, yeah, when my gun jammed, there was a part in the video where my gun jammed and I'm like, Jake, give me your gun. I despised that, but I'm glad everyone else was. Well, I guess we got to play it again, man. Great.

Jake, listen, on this show, we all have some very bad visuals that get out there. So yeah, it's your turn. Yeah, I looked like a Balkan's warlord. Did you see how fat I looked? People were treating me that picture with the freshly-shaven mustache. I was just standing there.

So I have apologized to Hank in the moment. I apologized again. I feel terrible. Like it ruined my weekend, but. We move forward. I'm sorry. It's funny because it in a video that was just filled with clips of Billy being a ridiculous asshole.

And lying is ass off about everything. I took the bullet for him. No pun intended. You had. I took the bullet for him, no pun intended. Yeah, you had. I took the bullet for him. Billy Stewart shot me back from two- Got you. But Billy Paul, so.

Billy being like, I haven't been shot at all today. I'm so mad. I've never been more mad, I think. I know. That clip did make it where Billy was like, I haven't been shot at all today. And he's just covered in paint and bruises. I was like, well, I don't feel it, because the adrenaline.

I was also so excited because me hitting Hank was like the only time the whole day that I actually hit someone. I think you fired. I got you. So I was like, I was like, I was like, I guess I finally, I did it. I think I maybe hit PFT one other time, but besides that, it was not my.

You are like that guy from, from saving private rides. It just hides in the corner, holding the machine gun. Yeah, just hides in the corner holding the machine gun. Yeah, I just got you. Got you. Watch the paintball video. What the hell, Jake? It's so funny. There's so many.

A lot of we can all laugh out of now. Oh, Jake, you might you might have to notes app it. There's only one way out of this. And that's writing a very sincere heartfelt notes app. Yes. Yeah, I was wondering why we're saying the same thing online. Oh, we can't.

I just thought you'd look down. I just thought you'd look down. I just thought you'd look down. I just thought you'd look down. I just thought you'd look down. I just thought you'd look down. I just thought you'd look down. I was wondering why we're saying the online all week. Or Hank can shoot Jake with a paintball. Fine. Literally as many shots as you want. Oh, that's unlimited shots. You take the Hank's, Hank's shaking his head because he knows that right now he has the upper hand

on Jake and he holds all the cards. I mean, at some point I'm out to cash that in. Please do. Let's do it. We can build a paintball course in the new office. I'll be I'll just walk up when he doesn't see me in the shoe. Shoot. So he got you. The got you is so funny.

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Go check it out Paramount Plus. I must have for football fans this fall. Okay, who's back the week? Hank. My who's back the week I had death for Lolita recipes. Also sugar Seanawn. Yeah. Knocked him out.

Didn't miss, I never considered myself to be a, what do you call, what do you call UFC head, a fist head? Also a seam head. Yeah, stitch head. Yes, stitch head. Didn't, what, grapplers? The Bantanam belt. Bantanam? Bantanam weight. Bantanam weight. You've never heard bantam. Sam. I didn't know that was a

Bantam man superman belt the he won the belt and I was like what belt there's different weight classes I didn't have never heard of you thought that it was the bantam man I like I never see bad mother fucker You'd never seen bantam. No. Okay. Who was the one? I don't know. So who's back? Phantom. Phantom.

Phantom. Phantom. The National Banthom. Like I said, not. I never, never said I was a scene. You know who rocks is Zhang? Was that her name? Zhang?

The the woman that fought in the the co-main event. That chick is terrifying. She is a fucking assassin. I would, she just destroyed that Brazilian girl for like five rounds non-subshadowed to her for not tapping. Yeah. That was just an ass-woolping. Her punch was so loud.

Like that one that she had, that straight punch that was just, it was so loud that came across TV as like, holy fuck, how she not get knocked out. Yeah, the bantamam. Yeah, I haven't heard a lot Yeah, the bantamam. Yeah, I haven't heard a lot of these other bantam sides of Peter Yand. Hank someone would say that by putting death as who's back in the week bad news for Jimmy Carter. Yeah, for end of the program.

He did win. Take the award winner for still alive. Person of the year. Colin Coward would be like that guy's not going to want a super bowl. Lolita will never win a super bowl that's sad, but she should get a ring. Should absolutely get a ring for participating in this season. Okay, PFT years back. So I was going to do the Yankees as well, but I think we should let Jake cook on that because I feel like it's closer to us. But I will say that I love the idea of a players and managers only meeting, which is what Aaron Boone had

with the team. Also, as practice, you might call it practice. Some people call it practice. So they had a meeting and then Aaron Boone was like, what do you say, we're a bunch of sick animals out there? Yeah. Always what you wanna hear from your manager. Some people were saying he should be fired.

I think he's handling the season with such class. And I'm friends with a lot of Yankee fans. I think they should extend Aaron Boone. Yeah. I think he's the steady hand. I think Aaron Boone is a steady hand that the Yankees need to control their franchise because it's not about one game. It's never about one game in baseball. It's a long season. It takes time to turn a team around. Aaron Boone has only begun to implement a system extend Aaron Boone. Yeah. Crazy thing is I don't think Jake would probably touch on this is the only reason he's the manager is because he had one walkoff home run in a season that they didn't even win the World Series.

It's true. Well, yeah, it was one and more. Well, and towards ACL and got from Arod, but they did not play basketball. They need to hear us ACL playing basketball. I don't know. It was a pretty good home run though. Yeah, I think it's towards ACL playing basketball. That's how know. It was a it was a pretty good home run though. Yeah. I think it towards ACL playing basketball. That's how A-Rod became a Yankee. Well without that home run,

that was the start of the championship DVD. Exactly. Literally. Yes. It actually was. Yeah. So he's you should want him. No, it makes the whole story funny. For the Yankees. Yeah. I do. Yeah. I think most people do. Voters confidence. This guy guys that complete disaster wise even the manager. Oh, we have one home run Please make a graphic for us memes vote a vote of confidence part might take gives official vote of confidence for both Aaron Boone and Brian Brandy Okay, I think I think I think put in like yeah, we official Voters confidence they should extend both of them. Yes

The ability is the most important part of baseball. It is. It is. How long is losing streak? Since I've been alive. Okay. That's tough. Yeah.

Well, you're going to die soon, because you lied about that paintball video. Okay. You said it. No, I said if. And you lied. Oh, I didn't. Got you. No, I didn't.

Aaron Boone did say the turn around is coming though. I was coming and Jake's going to shoot it in the back. They have never finished under 500 since I've been alive. That might change this year. Okay. So yeah, total dumpster fire. Obviously, Judges injury. He's back now, but they're just not a good baseball team.

They're awful. I have some. I think the Tigers have a better chance to make the playoffs right now than them. Since Hal Steinbrenner said he's confused why fans are upset. They're 20 and 30 and since Brian Cashin said they're in it to win it. They're 5 and 12. And Aaron Boone said at this point in the season, his job is to go in and tell them. Remember why you play baseball. Remember how much fun you had playing baseball as a kid.

That's always a great part of the season. At least Aaron Judges, the Jordan athlete now though. That's true. Hey, you took the picture with a single ring. That's not even a ring. That's not a word. That's the saddest picture that I've ever seen. Ever.

What is you holding? What ring is it? It's a Jordan brand ring. It's not even like an all-star game. It's not no, it's a Jordan brand ring. Hold on, Derby ring. Yeah. That's very sad. Yeah, no, it's a Jordan, a home run derby ring. Yeah. That's very sad. Yeah, it's not the second runner or what a third runner up for all time home runs

in a season. Yeah. It should be more. No, I think it's way, it's actually a fit. It's the we lost the Astros in a cheating year ring. Yeah. Is what he's holding up. I it's sad to see as as Yankees fans on this podcast. You have the pinch. It's sad to see as Yankees fans on this podcast. You have the pinch drives. It's sad to see what's become of our beloved franchise. See, if our Aaron Poon had given more pinstripes, it's sure to remind him what they're playing for. I like that. That's a good idea. Walking in the middle. Or just double the pinstripes.

Can you take away all the players' pinstripes during a season? It's like Coach K did it with the massive D on the chest. That's where Wager's he's at home. Yeah, Max would love that. He hates D's on chest. It's actually This is actually a really good thing for the future the Yankees because if they were good again They'd go to the ALCS and the A&K by the Astros now it ensures that's loser talk. No, it's not Yeah, it's great loser

Don't love the Yankees fan. You should be winning championships every year demand excellence. Okay every year, but if you lose to the Astros one year in the LCS you should go back next year and beat them right, but they've tried that and they failed So how do you fix Jake fix the Yankees? 10 seconds 10 words or less get your favorite player back fire everyone to mingo her mind build around Aaron judge Okay Fire everyone to mingo her mom and build around Aaron judge. Okay. Yeah, what I don't know if you want to build around Aaron judge She's like 32, isn't it they just signed into a mega deal. I know that was a mistake No, I mean he was hurt, but he's still playing well trade Aaron judge. How old is Aaron judge? He's a big guy too. They don't age well. He's 30 31

That swing is not built for long time. He's gonna be 32 before the next season. Okay. And he's got like 14 years left on his contract. Yeah. They're just gonna, what they're gonna do is they're gonna run the same team back and they're gonna get show-hate.

Yeah. Yeah, there's gonna be like, just a nice dent. Yeah. Jean Carlos has been very bad. Yeah, really hustling around third base. Yeah, that's maybe the funniest clip of all time. Yeah, it's been a disaster.

So we'll see, I don't know. We'll see if they actually fired that fire boom. I can't look at you the same way after that paper, video. I'm sorry, something's changed forever. Got you. My who's back is Dick Bigger Jr. He's back. I don't know if you guys remember Dick Bigger Jr. from the last election cycle. He is a farmer from Illinois, from Bigsville, Illinois. Okay. And he just likes getting his baseball signed by politicians. So he was at the Illinois

State Fair and he got his baseball signed by Governor Pritzker. And he's, I think he's got one from Obama. He's just, he dick bigger junior. That's a great name. That's a real name. Yes. And his father was dick, dick bigger senior. Yeah. And his mom was Dixie bigger. Dick bigger the third. Is there a dick bigger the third? I don't know if he's had a child, but he's also from Bigsville. That's pretty cool. That's great. That's a great dude. Dick bigger. and he just wants to get his ball signed by politicians. Yes, not baseball players. All right. We all got somebody Take your junior. So he does he hang out in Iowa a lot? Is that what he does like? Don't you primary? No, yeah, he lives like near the Iowa Illinois border. I think he just he was in a political ad last year

But yeah, he like Kimmel had him. I think maybe had him on but he's he's back. He's like Zach Campbell. Yeah, except dick bigger dick bigger junior I like that junior kind of sucks for him. It does it's tough because It implies there's a bigger dick out there. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's like right there. No dick bigger. It was my father Yeah, right. Dixie bigger was my mom. Yeah, I just, I got to figure out what's going on in Iowa. How come Iowa gets to vote first? What the hell is going on? We need to shut that place down totally. So you should have them.

Yeah, it's the only thing, yet it's a big thing that they have. It is. Tight ends and voting way early. Yeah. And controlling the fate of America. Corn. Yeah. Yeah.

All right. Good. Who's back everyone? Do we miss anything? Lily World Series. What about it? It's back. I get all my little league world series news from Rico Bisco And apparently it's the worst product ever. Yep. Yep. I've never seen anyone playing about something more than he complains about the world The umpires are good though. The umpires are really good wave is good the waves great I like how they get the umpires are because they're the best umpires in the business right and not just beat the Phillies

And they do the handshake lines afterwards. Oh wait Do they do it at the Little League World Series? Paul Mark just now yeah again. I'll say it again. I say it every year the fact that they don't play that game on a Little League World Series Diamond like such a mess or with aluminum bets. Yeah one game with fences like whatever it is like 180 Just seems up close to it. Yeah, they're 103. It would be awesome. You wouldn't watch. I would definitely watch. Yeah, it'd be fucking sick. It'd probably actually be a shutout. It might be, yeah.

So maybe we put the mound back. Mound regular. You hit the pit. Mound on second base. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, and then we just watch dingers. It'd be fucking awesome. He says no. Do we have a dinger?

I have to update. I do it on Sunday nights. Oh, now I got a question, everything with that. What? I got a double check. I got a on Sunday nights. Oh, now I got a question, everything with that. Why? I got a double check. I got a fact check. Jake's fact check. I'm gonna show you.

You have the open form. He's got you. Then kill him. I have the open form. I've given you guys open form since opening day. Then kill him. I have open forms. I don't know what you, like who do you think we are?

Just say. You sent me a form and I'm gonna look at it. I'm gonna look at it. Jake, you're the rock of this podcast. Until a couple days ago, your word was unassailable. And now it's like we have to, we gotta get another Jake. We gotta get a different Jake to monitor the other Jake.

Yeah, you're just gonna, every time I see Jake, I'm gonna have to like never turn your back on him. You just gotta have to walk backwards when you say goodbye to him. Memes said there's one thing that we missed for sports. Yeah. Jets game. Got kind of the Cardinals. Got his first major league hit. Oh, yes.

As you guys see this, he'll on the... He'll on the... This was maybe the funniest clip ever. Obviously a huge dickhead move, but I also was like... As a little bit of a dickhead, I was like this rocks. So the guy, the Cardinals player, gets his first hit ever. And he'll on the ball because they throw it back in. Oh, yeah, he just tossed it into the fucking stance

Yeah, and he said afterwards He's actually very honest. He's like I had a brain fart which I get like because in the moment You're like this would be funny and then they had to go chase and try to find the ball It's so funny. It happened to the Cardinals too. I love it so much so good He just was oh that's very funny, it happened to the Cardinals too. I love it so much. So good. That's great. That's great. After the game, he gave him a bat and he gave him an autographed bat

and a bottle of tequila. Oh my god. Which is a terrible, terrible. He's the one who's also the biggest dickhead in all sports. Really? Why? He's just a loser. His whole batting, his whole run derby thing is so good. I agree with you on that. I agree with you on that. with you. I'm a likable guy in all of professional sports.

I agree. Yeah. If you don't win, I think you know, it's a little dramatic. That's maybe a little dramatic, but I do agree with whole bears and a leap. Yeah. But if you, if you have never won anything and you take the home on Derby that seriously, that's a weird thing. He's fucking launch. It was so funny. That went halfway up that first deck. Oh my God, that's such a dickhead move, I love it. But it's so, yeah, that was the thing. Like when I saw it, everyone was getting really mad

and I was like, wait, this kind of rules. Like if you can get the ball back, it rules. If you could never get the ball back, then it's a huge dickhead move. I mean, it's a huge dickhead move, no matter what. But it's kind of awesome in how unapologetically like douchebag gets this. It looked, yeah. Like Pylons, it was a huge dickhead move no matter what, but it's kind of awesome in how unapologetically, like douchebagging it. It looked, yeah.

Like, Pialanzo is a piece of shit doing this. He should do it again. He should just wait, just keep doing it. Somebody replied with a picture of Trevor Bauer throwing that ball over center field. Remember that? Maybe yes. That was insane to that actually.

Trevor Bauer is killing it in Japan, I think. Yeah, he's like doing something. One ERA or something. Okay, let's do our interviews. We got a great interview. We got Moose Johnson. Great interview with him talking ball and then we're gonna follow it up with some baseball talk with Greg Maddox. Before we do that, I want to talk to you guys about better help. This podcast is brought to you by BetterHelp. Part of my take is sponsored by BetterHelp. Sometimes we my take is sponsored by BetterHelp. Sometimes you're faced with a crossroads in life

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Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, legend of the game, three time Super Bowl champion. He is also the president of the USFL. It is Darryl Moose, Johnston. And first of all, can we call you Moose? That was my first question right off the bat. Are we allowed to call you Moose? We've never met until right now. Is Moose okay?

Absolutely. Absolutely. I love that. I'd like to call you just move Moose Yeah, how'd you get that nickname by the way let's start there Do you remember baby lawtonburg? Yeah, so baby was our quarterback back in 89 and 90 it's not a nickname that followed me from Syracuse I think a lot of people thought it came from Syracuse, but when we first got here to Dallas in the running back group, we would do stretch, pre-practice, and then we break out into individual.

And the running backs are always at the far end of the field. So as we came together for group, we'd all come jogging up. And all the other running backs were kind of small, even my backup broadrick sergeant. He was like a short stock. You fire plug guy like 510, 245. And babe said, you look like a moves walking in a field of deer when you come jogging up for the second part of practice. So I mean, something is innocent is that and it's stuck like, I mean, it's a great nickname,

especially for a full back. You couldn't have drawn up better. Yes. It is a fantastic, fantastic nickname. Uh, so we want to talk about everything. I guess I'd like to start with your football career, which obviously was phenomenal. When you look back and you think about those Cowboys teams, knowing how the Cowboys have not been back to that glory

in many, many years now, do you look back and you're like, man, we were really fucking good. Because I think it's kind of getting lost in many, many years now. Do you look back and you're like, man, we were really fucking good. Because I think it's kind of getting lost in time, just how good, we're children of the 90s. It was like, yeah, the Cowboys are just gonna win the Super Bowl every year, felt like. Yeah, it was amazing because when we first got here, obviously they were on a downturn

and I was part of Jimmy's first draft class with Troy and Mark Steppino Mark Steppino and Tony Tolbert. And we were trying to kind of create our own identity from the 70s teams. That was still the big talk was Roger and everything that they'd done in the 70s. So we were trying to create our own niche there. And I don't think we really knew how good we were for several years. And it was kind of high because I've always felt that Jimmy could kind of see the pieces in place. But he was, I don't think he ever got enough credit. And that's why I think it was

really cool when he went into the Hall of Fame. Rick Gosling was one of the guys that was working to get him in there. And he came at it from the general manager angle, just what Jimmy had done from a roster construction standpoint. And I think that that's something that he's never gotten the credit for. Because if you look at those drafts, and not just the big hersial walker trade and what he did there to aggregate more picks, but just Jimmy rarely missed.

And he was really, really good late in some of the rounds. Larry Brown, you know, just the guys that he was really, really good late in some of the rounds. You know, Larry Brown, you know, just the guys that he was pulling in, Leon Latt, you know, later in the rounds, it became just, you know, unblockable guys. So he really kind of built that whole thing together. And then for us, I think when the light bulb really went on was when North Turner came in.

And then you could start to see the pieces of the puzzle fit into place because we'd go in and we'd watch San Diego Charger film, LA Ram film, and you're looking around the room and you know the talents of the guys in the room. You're like, wow, we are going to fit seamless into this offense. I think that that's when everybody got excited going into the 91 season. Was there a specific game that you can look back at where you just knew in the locker room? Like after the game, you're like, oh, this is different.

We're not just a good team anymore. We're a team that's going to be doing great things in the next few years. I always go back to a game in 91. We were at RFK playing the Redskins, and they were 11 and 0 when we were 6 and 5. And I think we went on the field late six minutes to go in the game, maybe early seven minutes to go in the game, and we were

up 24-21, and our offense never left the field. We just ground the clock out. So that was one for me, where you kind of saw the field. We just ground the clock out. So, you know, that, that was one for me where you're, you kind of saw the potential, you know, if we don't beat ourselves, you know, we can hang with anybody right now and we were still young at the time. And then the 92 championship game in, in Candlestick was, was the one that really kind of announced that we were, we were here. You know. That was such a talented team. We were plus four in turnover ratio that day, and we're still hanging on at the end of the game.

I mean, that's how good San Francisco was that year, and I've always told people that's probably the best game that that group ever played together as a team. It's funny you mentioned that game, because I grew up in the Washington DC area. I grew up a Redskins fan. That game was one of my very first sports, that season of Redskins football

was one of my very first sports memories. And that is the distinct moment in time when I hated Dallas Cowboys. When you beat us. It was such a big game because that team was like the talk to the time. You're right, undefeated, ended up winning the Super Bowl that year. Everything was Redskins football and the Cowboys time. You're right, undefeated, ended up winning the Super Bowl that year.

Everything was Redskins football, and the Cowboys had the nerve to come in and beat us. So you might have made me cry. I don't recall. I was probably just more angry afterwards, but that's the genesis of everybody's got their own. Like, I remember the first time I hated Dallas. That happened to be mine.

You did have a great team though, and you guys had to, you had a lot of fun off the field. We've had Michael Irvin on the podcast, and he shared some stories about the White House with us. Did you ever get an invite to the White House? Were you all the... They did not. On the white's, why not?

Everybody's like, come on. I honestly didn't, and it was actually one day of practice. And I'm like, so where is this happening? They're like, it's right over there. And you can see it from the practice facility. So yeah, we were, our group was a little bit different. We were we were beer and darts. Yeah.

So yeah, would you know, like going to practice? And could you tell, like, oh, the guys were, they went after it last night, like Michael Irvin, you know, like we said, like P.A.T said, we talked to him. Like, he always felt like a guy who could go forever and then show up and practice better than anyone else. Was that true? Absolutely. That's why I never believed a lot of the stories that were out there.

Right. Because the guy who was practicing or working out at the facility that I saw on a day-to-day basis can't be doing the things that you're saying he's doing at night because nobody has that amount of energy. Nobody can bounce back from what you're saying he's doing at night because nobody has that amount of energy. Nobody can bounce back from what you're saying he's doing. Michael was the hardest worker on our team, beyond a shadow of a doubt. He was the emotional heart and soul of the team. When guys were out of the lineup, obviously we weren't as good, but when Michael was out

of the lineup, there was something really, really different about our team. We just, we didn't have that thing. When Eric Williams was out of the lineup, we didn't have our physicality. I mean, Eric was like one of the meanest guys that I've ever been around on a football field. So there were certain guys, if they were out of the lineup, we lost a huge component of what those teams were about. And for Michael, it was always about the passion for the game. And, you know, he shared something with me something with me. He came and spoke to our guys during championship week up in Kent for the USFL. And I mean, just knocked it out of the park.

I mean, he went from talking to preaching. I mean, in his love for the game and everything that he did, and one of the things that used to drive me crazy, when he's not on your team, man, he can get onto your skin. But when he's your teammate, I mean, he's the greatest teammate you could ever have. And when he gets up and he does. But when he's your teammate, I mean, he's the greatest teammate you could ever have. And when he gets up and he does the first down every time he points, he says, that came from college because we need to celebrate the little things. It's not just the

touchdown. It's hard to move the ball down the field. So why not celebrate on a first down because we're getting three more snaps. And he starts to reveal some of the reasons why and just how he approached the game from an emotional standpoint. Just awesome stuff, just awesome stuff. He was so good for our players in the USFL to hear. Yeah, you guys, you had so much talent too on those old Cowboys teams and it felt like you had to have a combination of guys that would keep things going like Michael Irvin, he would have fun, he would practice hard, set the tone, but there were some, there were some actual insane players on that team. Like if you look back, the Charles Haley stories

that we hear, what was it like, was it like sharing a meeting room in a locker room with Charles Haley? Oh, it was funny. The day the trade happened, I was driving in, and you hear the details of the trade, like Holy cow, because you've heard the stories. I mean, it was infamous throughout the league with the Charles Haley stories. And we had the big hot tub over at Valley Ranch, and I'm in there, and I'm reading the newspaper,

and the door kind of creaks open, and I look up and in walks Charles Haley. You know, so I'm going to meet him like right out of the gate and it couldn't have been a greater guy. And you've got your stories. You know, there was a line that went through the locker room. You know, guys would just walk in and go, hey Charles is off his beds today. You know, you're clear.

He was just, he was, he was unbelievable, you know, in that situation. You know, just a completely different person. But when he was Charles, I mean, he was another one who's a great teammate, he used to watch him in Mark II and a stay after practice, and Charles would teach to me. If I get to that landmark right there, I've got you beat, so you can beat me to that. The only thing I can do is counter back in front of you. And I always ask to an A. I'm like how did you make the pro bowl in your 12th and 13th season? And he would say well a lot of it had to do with the tackles that were in the NFC at the time you know, Jumble Elliott Jim covert I mean it was Jim Lache I mean it was unbelievable the guys that were playing tackle in the NFC

But he said Charles has helped me understand the game from the other side And he's just, he was, he was the only one. He was a great teammate. I mean, that was, that was the final missing piece to those teams. And it shifted the power in the NFC from San Francisco to Dallas for a number of years. Once we got Charles. So, yeah. That's, yeah. I mean, he was all time player, alltime guy. Yeah So I want to talk about the first two super walls You ruined my birthday. I think you ruined PFT's birthday, too We're January 30th January 31st

So I think it was both those I think one what the first one was my birthday second was his I did a whole birthday party in the game was over before you know Anyway, like it was just the least exciting super wall ever. Was there a moment that you could tell the bills just kind of quit where you're like, oh, this is, this is over. And follow up, I'd assume you have some bills fans in your family. Did they hate you for that? Like you, you amazuated the bills. Yeah. Yeah. That was always a tough one because I know how much that franchise means to that community and, you know, I really do hope they went to Super Bowl someday. They had a chance against the Redskins and they had a chance against Giants and they missed both of those. So

there was, there was nobody cheering for, you know, the last two, it's a local boy, you know, so I think I got a little bit, but my parents got on a flight to fly out to California the first go around. They got booed as they got on the plane. Oh, man. Everybody recognized them. But then everybody was kind of cool. So, but it's a great fan base. It's an awesome fan base. But the one thing I think people forget, that first super bowl, we had a block pump early in the game. We went down seven, nothing real quick. And it was just, it was one of the things that Jimmy did a great job of that week is,

you know, you hear people say you gotta keep everything as normal as you can, but it's a super bowl. So how are you gonna accomplish that? And I thought that our staff did an amazing job. It kind of staying in our routine and keeping us comfortable. And I think that that paid huge dividends for us.

Cause I'm pretty sure we were the youngest team in the NFL at the time. Buffalo's got a very, very talented roster. This is a third Super Bowl in a row. And even though we'd beaten San Francisco, I think there's still some people that still don't think that we've arrived yet. Still, this Buffalo team's pretty good.

And then to fall behind and bounce back the way we did, and to your point kind of have that game pretty much in hand at halftime. You know, I think spoke a lot. The second time we played him, I remember watching the four falls of Buffalo. And I think it was Steve Tasker. And he said there was a moment in the game where over the last four years, you know, you had fought so hard and you'd know it was going to happen again and it just like the life went out of us. And it was amazing when he said that because we all felt that during that game. Because they were up and half, we'd come back and take in the lead and you could really just get a sense of, we don't have anything on the left in the tank.

I can't believe this is going to happen to us again. So that there was an actual time on the field when we sensed that that was it. They didn't have anything left. Did you give Leon let any shit about getting caught from behind by Don baby when he was taking the ball out celebrating? I know you guys, you knew that you were going to win, but at the same time you got to be like, dude, high and tight. Right. And Mark Shtepnowski is still mad at him to this day because that would have been the largest margin of victory in Super Bowl history.

Yeah. Come on, everybody on that one. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So it's just, that was the same year is Thanksgiving too. So he's got the game at Thanksgiving against Miami. That's right. And the nicest, quietest guy away from a football field. And probably the worst guy you would want to see anything like that happen to. And he has the two biggest gaps on probably the two biggest days of an NFL season Thanksgiving with Dallas hosting and the Super Bowl. And Leon has has two of those plays where they'll go down

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And now, more Moose Johnson. I want to talk to you a little bit about the art of playing fullback because we love the fullback position. It's kind of gone, you know, a little bit away. It might be coming back in different hybrid versions and all that, but the 90s, the 80s, those were like the fullback heydays in our opinion.

You were a great fullback, a great lead blocker. You block for Emmett Smith, all time leading Russia, and he gave a lot of credit to you for doing that. Talk to me about the art of playing fullback and how you were able to block specifically for Emmett and his running style and how you adjusted your game to benefit the guy behind you that was getting all the stats.

Yeah, I think the big thing is it's not like you know, playing the the Y position, uh, end of line tight end or even the H position, you know, kind of that offset wing because, you know, you've closed the distance down and there's technique there. If you put me at the end of line, I really struggled. It took me a long time to kind of figure out hand placement, leverage and all the kind of the, the fine techniques that go with, with blocking on the line of scrimmage. When you block from the fullback position, it's really just a mentality. You know, we're eight yards apart, we're going to run into each other. This is not going to feel great, but you know, it's, you know, I've got to continue to

do this play after play after play until I try to break your will. And that's kind of where that whole thing comes from. And so I've told people all the time, there's little tricks of the trade that you pick up and maybe become better doing certain things, but if you don't have the mentality and the will to go play after play after play and have one of the most violent collisions that happens on a football field, then you just can't play the position. And then you start to, you know, as the linebacker scrapes, you know, you attack that back shoulder and you wheel them and you use his momentum. You're always pulling your hips out of the hole

and turning the guys, you know, to give them, I didn't have to give them a whole lot of room, but I had to give them a little bit. And so you're finding all these little tricks that you could use when you're using the momentum of the guy you're blocking to your advantage, to kind of help generate that separation. We would talk in the huddle all the time, we would talk all week getting ready for the game. Carl Banks was one of the,

and I tell him at all the time, I said, listen, he's gonna be right where he is when he lines up, I'm gonna try to cover him up as best I can, but I'm not moving him anywhere. I mean, it was like Carl Banks was cemented into the field of giant stadium. You know, he was one of those guys, he just didn't move,

so we would always have conversations on what the block was gonna look like. And then when we watched the games together, afterwards, you know, I would always ask him questions, and he shared a ton of stuff with me where, you know, hey, why didn't you stay playside on that? I bounced outside, everybody was going outside, and then there you go out the back door. Not saying it wasn't a good decision, you got 12 yards, but I'm not seeing what you're seeing. And he's like, listen, he goes even though you're only like two yards ahead of me, he goes, everything is completely different.

From the time you go by that until the time I go by that, you know, you can see right there, there's, you know, there's the three techniques he's covered when you go by, but when I come by, he's got color on the outside. So I got to go out the back door. So he got it to the point where I was comfortable cheating up a little bit and coming out of my stance a little bit slower. So I would kind of get kind of the same look that he had and then there were a number of times during our career later on that We were we'd come out the back door together

And and he'd have a lead blocker when there was somebody there that there was nobody to block So in your opinion who is the greatest full back of all time? Larry's uncle, okay, it's good pick. I was gonna say Lorenzo Neil I feel like Lorenzo should be in the Hall of Fame. For the modern day guy. Yeah. Like we talked about, like the mentality and how hard that position is, you know, for him to be able to play with 16 years, it, one of the most physical positions in the game of football and play at a high level for as long as he did. I mean, a lot of us, we start to break down, right? It just, your body just can't take anymore. But yeah, I don't know how Lorenzo did it. I mean, he never seemed to break down.

He never seemed to be carrying an injury. Yeah. Yeah. So you are a very busy man. We mentioned the USFL president. You also are on our TV every Sunday. So you are, and you're a great broadcaster. Going into this season, you're watching every game,

you're studying these guys. Do you have a team that you think is ready to make the jump, knowing the jump that you guys were able to make and what it takes? Do you have one of those teams where you're like, I'm very excited to watch this team and I think this is the year that can kind of make that leap and put it all together.

I think it's so hard nowadays because nobody stays together as long as we were able to. I got to experience the first half of my career under the old business and the second half of my career was under the new business. So that was a little bit different. You got to see the challenges of keeping that team together

and losing your key people. So I think that that's the big challenge with all the teams this year. I think it's going to be interesting to see Philadelphia's jump. I think that that's the team that took a tremendous jump from 21 to 22. What can they do from 22 to 23? They've had two really, really good drafts in a row. They're building some really good talent below. It's going to be hard. You get that quarterback on the big contract, and now you can't sign a lot of those key pieces, and we see that through the history of the game when we have had good teams. The same team that was really good with Drew and Drew becomes the highest paid guy, and it's hard to fill those gaps.

It's happened so many times that, you know, what happens now? How does, how does Philadelphia take advantage of this window? That was one of the big things for me is, is really kind of like getting to understand and believe in the windows of opportunity in the NFL, based on that contract, that quarterback on a working contract, based on a number of different things,

based on the four-year cycle of the NFL contract, give it them that fifth year. You're creating all these different windows and how much talent can you get to overlap during those times to make your run? That's why I'm impressed with what Kansas City has done. Obviously, they had it when Patrick was on that rookie contract and they're gonna get to do it then,

but they've been able to sustain that, which is, to me me, is really remarkable. You know, and, you know, Andy reached just on a fantastic job there. Just restocking those shells every year and always seem to find those key players that fit a spot for when somebody leaves. I mean, you lose Tyree Kill and you go on and win a Super Bowl. I mean, it's, it's just, it, like, nothing seems to face Kansas City. Yeah.

What about a team that didn't make the playoffs last year that you think's going to get in this year? Oh, good question. Thank you. Yeah, right. That's a good one. Now, maybe some teams down the ladder that make a jump, but maybe they don't, you know, have a big push into the playoffs. I think it's going to be interesting to see Justin Fields this year. Yeah. You know, getting people around him to take some pressure off of them. We had them a bunch last year. And when he gets consistent, he throws a great ball.

It's just getting the consistency. He's smart when he runs, but it's just so dangerous in today's game when you got these quarterbacks at scramble as much as they do. I think Jalen hurts as probably as good as anybody added, being smart, but also being a tough guy. We've all seen the shots of him working out and squat over 600 pounds. So he's got the body type to do it, but that'll be the big thing for Chicago. Obviously, everybody's looking at the jets. We had them last year late. It's hard to say that a team is one player away, but I tell you what, you

watch the Jets last year, they had a great defense, they got the offensive and defensive rookie of the year, they got a really good offensive line. I mean, they legitimately are like a quarterback away. I mean, that was the thing that held them back last year and how much does Aaron Rogers elevate that team? So if you were going to go to one that could make that jump, obviously, you know, everybody's talking about the jets. So I think that that'll be something interesting to watch. I'm also interested to see what Sean Peyton does in Denver.

Yeah. I'm a big Sean Peyton fan. I just think he's a really, really good head coach. It'll be interesting to see how he maximizes the talent he has out there. The one team that people are going to be mad you didn't mention to Detroit lions. I'm mad. When you watch them play, can you see like the difference like, oh, that's Dan Campbell's imprint on a team.

Like when you're watching a game, can you notice right away the difference between the tough teams, the teams that have that like, you know, little grit to them, little shit to them, versus maybe the teams that don't. Absolutely. I've never been, you know, one of those guys that buys into, you know, a little grit to them, little shit to them, versus maybe the teams that don't. Absolutely. I've never been, you know, one of those guys that buys into, you know, a Finesse offense.

I always take the defense of mentality. When somebody says, you know, that guy's got a defense of mentality. And, you know, I would have put our offensive line up, or actually our entire offense against anybody, you know, back in the day. It's as being tough physical, you know, we could line up against any defense and take them

on. So I've always, I've always struggled with that part when people get into defensive mentality, but I definitely think that there's a culture that you create that starts to represent how you play on the field. And that's what Dan has done. And the reason I like Dan Campbell is, is Dan sees sees it the same way I do from the inside out. You got to be able to run the football. Well, you got to focus on the offensive line.

You got to control everything there. The games are always one-on-loss down in the trenches. You got to have the skill players on the outside. You got to have those guys that can make big plays. But if you can't control the line of scrimmage protector quarterback or open up running lanes, then it doesn't really matter how talented you are at skill position. So you can see how he's methodically built this But the thing that I really am impressed with Dan if if it's a player or even some of the guys on his staff That he felt weren't great fits. He doesn't waste time. He moves on quickly and

He's he's been very deliberate and everything he's done. So that's definitely an oversight on my part because yeah, that game against Green Bay last year is kind of the culmination of what you're trying to build. The game is meaningless, something else has happened. You don't got a chance to get to the playoffs and you just go out and stick it to one of your division rivals and make sure that they don't go.

Yeah. The other team you didn't mention, some people might be mad about, I would actually agree with you though. It didn't mention the Patriots and it's interesting because we can, we can preface it by saying Bill Belichick greatest coach of all time, right? Yep. But for a headline grab, sounds like you're saying Patriots are maybe a couple seasons away.

We had him a couple of times last year. I didn't understand the whole co-offensive coordinator thing last year. There's just, there seems to be just kind of a, they're out of sync a little bit from what they were back in the day. And it's not, I mean, obviously Tom Brady, Tom Brady, makes you who you are and gives you the opportunity to do the amazing things that they did. But there hasn't been that cohesiveness that you've seen from them.

But just some unpatriot-like things from time to time. So I just think that that's a tough division, with the jets potentially being who they are, what Mike McDaniel did with the dolphins and how good he made them. and then you still got Buffalo. So, you know, for a number of years, the Patriots were able to feast on a very, very weak division and now they've got a very, very challenging division. So that was what made our teams in the NFCE so good is, you know, there was one year that year that you talked about with Washington at 14 and

two, we were 11 and five. Philadelphia, I think it was 10 and six and missed the playoffs. I don't think they got in. I think the actually the same it's got in at 10 and six instead of the Philadelphia Eagles. So, you know, that's that old iron sharpened iron kind of talk. And that's, that's what the AFC East is becoming now. That's going to be a very, very challenging division. Talk the bottom. And I think it's going to be really interesting to see how the Patriots hang in there with the other three for the first time. This might be an obvious question, but I'm just curious. Take out the quarterback position.

If I had to tell you, you get the best player at that specific position on your team, what position are you picking? Left tackle. OK. I was wondering if it was like... Left tackle. ...or maybe like a nose guard or edge rusher, could even say corner back, just shut down half of the field,

but you're going left tackle all day. I'd go left, I'd go open tackle. For me, it's obviously most guys are right handed. You're playing right handed formation at least, so yeah, the left tackle becomes open. But for me, it's really, the guy that's got the shortest edge, right?

So, you know, you got to be able to stand up on the outside. So it would always be the guy, you know, protecting my quarterback on the blind side or the guy that can rush, they can beat that guy because I've seen the impact that a Charles Haley can shift, you know, the entire power structure of a team in a conference by changing. Just watching what Vaughn Miller did in Denver and the playoffs, how these guys can take over games.

It's that one position. I think more so than a corner. Maybe you limit what your top wide receiver is, maybe get you a pick. But when you got a guy that's generating sack fumbles, speeding up that clock on the quarterback, he's impacting the game on a much more frequent basis than one of your potentially locked down corners. Yeah, how about this one? This is a really dumb question,

but it's also a very good question. If you were to pick one player in the NFL that you would have to clone and play every single position on offense and Defense, who do you want who do you take first overall I can I can go first if you'd like good question Yeah, I didn't get an idea of what you're thinking. I'm gonna go with with Kittle I would take Kittle to play every single position. I think it's good enough blocker fast enough strong enough He could probably throw and then having him at linebacker edge. I think you can get it done. He's big enough. That's a good one. That's a good one. I love the way he plays the game too. We did a game years ago and he took a guy in Goal Line offense and took

him all the way to the back and tipped him and he's on top of him. Just chuckle him and we had him mic'd up and he's just laughing. So I mean, he just loves playing the game. I was thinking Kelsey. So I mean, he just loves playing the game. I was thinking Kelsey. Okay. Maybe, maybe not as physical as, as, as George is, but I just, I like a swagger. He loves playing the game. Very, very competitive. But it gets kind of funny.

We both went to the tight end position, you know, for, for both of those. Yeah, I would go Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald. Because you, you're, you're line those. Yeah, I would go Aaron Donald because you your your line of full kittles would not peel block a line of full Aaron Donald. Aaron Don could not cover anybody a corner. He doesn't have to. The line would get there so fast. I don't know.

You don't even have to play the back half of the defense. Could Aaron Donald pass the ball? He doesn't have to. They just run it. With Aaron Donald is the full back. Aaron Don has the full back. Yeah. Just Aaron Donnell, though back. Aaron Donald is the full back. Just Aaron Donald, all the,

I feel like a team of 22 Kelsi or 22 Kittles. We could Aaron out, we could Aaron out against. You wouldn't have the time. Yes. For Aaron Donalds, I also, you would also have to be worried because like how many Aaron Donalds get kicked out of the game during the course of it. That's true, yeah, you take,

well then you got a full bench of Aaron Donalds. Could Aaron Donald kick a field goal or a punt? We don't know. I think we should go for two. Go for two every time. Every single time. I say that you have, you have Kittle snap it back, almost like a punt depth.

Oh, the other Aaron Donald, or to the other, to the other Kittle, who then just throws the ball up in the air as far as you can down field, lets the other Kittle go up and sky over Donald. I would just play all my Aaron Donalds super deep, and then as soon as they snap the ball, have them go full sprint forward.

No one wants to catch that. I think we just fixed Madden. They need to have a smoothing. They're mad and you're welcome to show moose. This is what we do most days. Brains dorm. Yeah, exactly. I had one last question.

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Are you good in your world? So yeah, you do get it. And I always tell people, it's kind of odd. I don't know what the attraction was, but when I was at Syracuse, you remember the old USA Today, and on the back page, they had the college games and all that stuff,

but they did a nice job with the high school football and everything. And I was at Syracuse, and I'm reading about this kid from a scammy of Florida. And I just got intrigued by what he was doing at the high school level. And then I started following him and was at Florida. So it was really kind of weird that we ended up being on the same team and being teammates and running mates in the NFL. Because I was aware of him when he was a junior in high school. So when he said what he said at the Hall of Fame speech, you took care of me like I was your little brother, that's always

kind of been our relationship. So I've always thought that that was like the perfect description because people always ask, you know, you guys tight, you guys hang out together and you know, he really is. He's like my little brother. Yeah. That's great. A tear after if you ever said anything negative about. Yeah, I mean, I just, if I were Emmett Smith, like when I saw you, I would just, you know, maybe a little bit longer of a hug and just a little whisper like, hey, thanks. Thanks for everything.

Like, thank you so much. That's too long on a hug though, that's it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. My last question, as an answer, I'm sure that you hear from all fan bases like you hate my team Why don't you want to talk about my team enough? Why do you sounds like you're rooting against my team when you call the games Which fan base do you actually hate?

Hates hates a strong word. There's probably actually a little bit of jealousy or envy But plain at the vet was like the hardest place to play. And the Philly fans are tough. They're tough. And those were great games. Really, really good teams. So, you know, that's the one that the rivalry still exists. And I think it's because they really hate Dallas. And I don't think they realize that, we don't like them either,

but we don't despise them as much as they despise us. We don't show it. And I think that pisses them off. So we were doing a game one time in Philly. And I got my boards out and I'm going over everything. And I'm just kind of chatting, getting, making sure everything's set up. And all of a sudden, it starts and it starts to build.

Ascle. Ascle. Ascle. Now look up to see what they're doing and they've got my picture on the jumbo tron. Everybody started to do it. And I have my Super Bowl ring on and this is before they had their first Super Bowl

and I just put my Super Bowl ring up to the camera so they had it and that oh boy, that was that was the wrong thing to do. Oh, they probably respected that a little bit though. I also think that Philly they they don't really need anybody to hate them back. They just they love hating everybody. Yeah. I can get is from a Philadelphia Eagles fan that says hated the Cowboys, hated your team, but always respected the way you played the game. Like that that to me is like the best compliment I can get is when a Philippine says, love the way you played the game. Oh last last question about your broadcasting. Does Jerry ever text you as like, hey take it easy on my guys? I feel like he would. I've never really there was one game, and here we go.

It was a Philly game. It was early on in Andy's tenure with the Eagles, and it was the year that Troy and I worked together. So that's 2001, and we're doing Dallas Philadelphia at home, and Philadelphia just bush wax him. I mean, I think it was 41, 21 at the end of the game. And for me, once the game starts, I don't see logos, I don't see colors.

I see good football, I see bad football. And Dallas played a lot of bad football that afternoon. So he's never really come up to us afterwards and said, hey, you were a little bit hard on us. You know, take it easy. Hey, you know, don't forget, you know, we're all from the same family. I think he respects that we have to have our integrity when we do our job. And, you know, if we're saying something negative, you know, it's because the team's not playing well. So he's always been great there. He's never really kind of come back and said, Hey, you guys got to take it easy on us. We're a little bit of a transition right now. Yeah. And that five 11 stretch for the next four years. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

that's just, it is funny because it's, you know, if you, if you played for the Dallas Cowboys, you, you get a job in broadcasting. So Jerry's doing something, right? I mean, he's got, you guys, everybody's, yeah, everybody always asks us about that. It was because at that time, you know, I came out and Troy came out and Michael came out, Darren Woodson. I mean, it was just like one after another, you know, where it CBS and Fox and ESPN and, you know, everybody's like, well, what are you guys doing down there? And we don't have like a really intense, you

know, media coverage, like they do in Boston or they do in New York or they do in Chicago, Philadelphia. But the people that we do have in Dallas are very, very passionate and really, really good at what they do. And so it was really kind of on the job training. You had an opportunity to host radio shows, to host TV shows, but the biggest thing for me was, you know, post game, you know, getting the answer question on the fly, you know, right out of it and not saying something, you're going to regret, you know, because sometimes after the game you just say something stupid because you're you're pissed off if you've lost. And, you know, I would ask him. I said, you know, if

we win a game, you guys are never here. You never ask me about anything when we win. But if we lose, you guys are all sitting around my locker waiting. And so well, you're the only one who's honest and kind of tells what happened. We want to know what happened. So that was one of the things that meant a lot to me

that you're just honest with people about what they saw. And that's what you have to be careful about in broadcasting, you can't make stuff up. You can't create something in the viewer's mind that it is not actually happening on the field. So, when Dallas is out there playing horrible and you're doing the game, you know, that's just it's a tough day for Dallas, and you got to let the Dallas fans know where they're struggling a little bit today. And when we had troubles with it, Troy showed me one because he gets it more than I do. He was doing Dallas all the time. And he literally had two tweets that he snapped pictures of

that were three minutes apart. And the first one said, why do you hate us so much? You're an old Dallas cowboy. Every time we play Philly, you're just, you're barriers. I mean, you're so unfair. The next one is from a Philly fan that says, you're such a homer. I can't listen to your game. If Dallas doesn't do anything wrong during the course of the game. So it's, it's never what we say. It's what the fan hears. And it's amazing in some of the things that they hear that they, when they send stuff back to you.

Yeah, we're all dumb. We are all dumb Very very dumb. Yeah, we're very dumb, but uh, moose. This has been awesome. We'd love to have you back on anytime talk some ball You are a legend. So thank you so much for giving us some of your time No, my pleasure my son was so excited about this He's he's the wonder and he's like he goes man. They love spring football They love the fullback position. He goes I can't believe that I haven't asked to have you on yet Yeah, we should have had you on a long time ago. We did invent a stat for fullbacks, which is it's kind of funny because you probably would be the

all-time career leader and fullback assists, which is a touchdown, a running touchdown scored within five yards of the goal line where there's a fullback on the field as lead blocker. Because it emits the all-time rushing touchdown score, right Yeah. Well, that one year that he had, uh, he had 25 that one year, 95, um, and there was a bunch of them inside, you'd probably inside the three. Yeah. Probably that of the 25, I bet you about 15 of them were inside the three. I'm just going to say you are the all time leader and full back assists. Yeah.

So congratulations. You also should put you use that on a broadcast, by the way. Yeah. And you, you also should be, uh, we'd love to invite you to be part of our committee for the low-man trophy We give out the trophy for the best full-back in college football every year Awesome You're in it. I do the dope down here in Dallas with with everybody the dope Walker Ward 2 Okay, that'll give me them a give me two guys to watch

Yeah, we'll be in touch with you and we'll get we'll get your vote for that Yes, awesome. All right. Well, thanks so much. Most appreciate it. You got it guys. Thanks. I really enjoyed it. Thanks, man Those moves Johnson were about to get into Greg Maddox in a second just so you guys know he was done via zoom His his camera was not working so it was more like a phone call if there's any His camera was not working, so it was more like a phone call. If there's any delays or any pauses or anything like that, the connection wasn't super great, but it was still good interview. Maddox is the man we love having them on. And he's being brought to you by Lightbox jewelry.

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remember the first time you're on part my take? Well I don't want to lie to you. I don't remember the first time. How long ago was it? I think it was like four or five years. Four or five years ago. Yeah, I probably don't remember. Yeah Happens when you get older remember we starts to go a little bit So we'll just ask you the same question. Yeah, we left it for us. We've literally left an impression I like that. I like that. All right, so it's great to have you back on Wanted to talk some ball want to talk some baseball? I guess the first question that I had for you because obviously this year's had

all the rule changes. Have you envisioned in your head what it would be like with the pitch clock if you had it when you were playing? Yeah, I kind of think it's more of a hitter's clock personally. It speeds them up, you know. It seemed like we were always waiting on the hitter. You know, they had their walk up song and they were stepping out and calling time out all the time. So I think as a pitter for me personally, it would be great because I think it speeds the hitter up and kind of keeps the game moving. You know, I wish pitch room would get a timeout for it, bat winning needs one, but overall, I like it. You know, I think probably the biggest disadvantage is, you know, you get you get 15 20 25 pitches deep in

and any you know you kind of need a break and you're not going to get the breaks that you would normally get. Yeah have you thought about how quickly you could get through a game though I mean some some of the starts that you would have you go out there and it felt like the game was over before it started. I think you could get through a game in the modern era of going like I don't, like 45 minutes open to close. Yeah, I mean, if the other pitcher throws a shutout, absolutely, but that's probably, you know, hopefully that won't happen. I just know back when I was pitching, it was always

kind of, you know, your goal was always to just win the game, but you had some secondary goals and, you know, you obviously I'd try to have a game in under you know, you know, obviously I'd try to have a game in under two hours, you know, that was always kind of a make goal of mine. And, you know, with, you know, the, the, the shot clock now, I think it's very doable. Yeah. I mean, you have a statistic named after you, the Maddox, when a picture throws a complete game and under a hundred pitches. Do you get excited when that happens? Or is that something that's not even on your radar?

Because I know, I personally, like Kyle Hendrix did it a few years ago and I was pumped to watch it. It was like, oh my God, he's about to do a matrix. Like he's gonna get all nine innings under a hundred pitches. Yeah, that's cool. You know, it's a nice compliment. I know the guy from Houston threw a no-hitter

the other night and they called that a matrix, but I'm the guy from Houston threw a no-hitter the other night and they call that a Maddox, but I'm thinking I never threw a no-hitter, but I get the concept and it's nice to be remembered and kind of staying the game when or hear your name when somebody does accomplish that. Yeah, what happens when somebody surpasses you for the all-time career lead in Maddox's? Do they get the name? You know, all records are meant to be broken, right? You know, I think I asked a few guys up in my career and I'm sure there's probably some eighth grader right now. It's going to do it as well. Yeah.

You remember your best Maddox? I don't know if it was a Maddox or not, but it was a game in St. Louis against Mike Morgan. I think I ended up being one to nothing. The game was like an hour and 45 minutes. I'll get away day. So it was, you know, I just remember that day that game stands out to me because, you know, you always, you feel like a picture. If I can throw it where I want to, two out of three times, there's a, you have a good chance to throw a shut out. That day it seemed like it was probably four out of five. I remember that game especially because I got the face.

Actually my buddy Mike Morgan, if I looked up to grown up, he was also from Vegas. I got to watch him pitch against my brother in high school a few times. To a decade later, I would be able to face him in St. Louis was pretty special. Yeah, one of the all time great pictures, one of the great all time ground out pictures too. I heard somewhere, I think it was an interview that you did a long time ago, that you would even try to get people to ground out

when you were up O2 on them. Is that true? You know, it's just the philosophy that I had. And you know, you try to pass it down. I think if you can sit in any room and the hardest count to hit in is 0-2. And so I figured that's easy as count to throw a strike in. You know, I was trying to keep the ball in front of the outfield

pretty much every pitch. And I think, you know, the guys today are trying to get the header to swing and miss or or or take strike three so I think you know the different philosophy where whoever keeps the ball in front of the outfield the best is gonna win as opposed to I got to make him miss the ball. Yeah is there a pitcher nowadays that reminds you of you like who is the Greg Maddox of the 2020s? You know you look for guys with the same type fastball, I think. Hendrix comes to mind, you know, in Chicago.

Bryce Elder in Atlanta kind of has the same type fastball. So I think you just look for guys that, you know, kind of have the same movement that your fastball had back in the day. So one of my favorite things to do is look up random Greg Maddox stats. I don't know if you ever, if you're aware of your stats, the crazy ones, but I had one that I wanted to throw out there and just get your take on. So in your career, you faced 20,421 batters. And during the those 20,000 plus batters only 310 saw a 3.0 count and of those 310

177 were intentional walks so that means that you faced what is it a hundred and 33 batters you let go to a 30 oh out of 20,000 batters 133 got three oh. Yeah, I've seen that stat. I didn't realize it was that high or that low, I should say, I don't know how you say it, but it's just another philosophy that you got to get ahead.

And I always thought, yeah, how many times do you see a picture three oh and a hitter and throws this perfect knee high fastball right down the middle? You know, it happens every night. And my philosophy was, I'm going to throw my 3-0 pitch 0-0. So I don't get the 3-0. And, you know, I think the league hits something like 068 on first pitch strikes. So I was never afraid to throw a first pitch strike.

I wasn't worried about trying to be too fine on the first pitch. So I think that allowed me to get ahead of hitters and be throw up a number like that over a career. You've got some crazy stats out there, but I think your career highlight, Greg, is the play at the plate against Pittsburgh, where you were rounding third coming home and you dance around the catcher. Maybe the most athletic play I've ever seen baseball on a baseball diamond. Was that something that you had worked on, like how to evade the catch? Did you ever find that you'd find yourself in that situation?

I just remember coming down third thinking why the third space coach sent me. And then I didn't feel like running into the catcher. So I don't know how it happened. It was just one of those flute things and like running into the catcher. So I don't know how it happened. It was just one of those fluke things. And not to knock the catcher, but he's probably not the quickest guy in the league. And I was able to get in there. You look like Kyrie out there.

You doing spin moves on, I'm dancing around, it was great. Thank you. Yeah. So I'm not sure. I assume you still follow the game somewhat closely. So talking about this year's Braves team in the world series team a couple of years ago Have you watched and been like man this would be an impossible lineup to pitch around because it does feel like they have So many guys that can hurt you top to bottom. Do you ever put yourself in that spot where like man?

This would be like I don't know how pictures do this night in night out? Yeah, I would have to yeah, you'd be watching a lot of extra video trying to crack that code. That's for sure. You know, I did spend spring training with the Rangers this year. My brothers and pitching coach over there. So I was happy to go down there and try to help him out in the rest of the team and been following the Rangers a lot this year. rest of the team and been following the Rangers a lot this year. Have watched a couple of brave games, not many, but most of my folks, most of my focus this year has been on the Rangers. Yeah, they've had an incredible year. They're one of this year in Major League Baseball has been awesome

because it feels like a lot of teams that aren't perennial, you know, world series contenders are now in the mix, especially in the A.L. Yeah, they're sneaky good. Chris Young's did a great job. He brought in a lot of pitching over there. And the pitching's been a lot of it's hurt right now, but when that pitching staff's healthy, it's one of the tops in baseball, and they're scoring a ton of runs.

I mean, they just been putting up a butt time every night. It seems like. Yeah. A lot of pictures when they watch film, like you alluded to, they get the cut up of every pitch that's coming in. It's just like rapid fire succession, one right after the other. You used to have the video guy cut it. So I guess he wouldn't cut it. He would show what the batter was doing in between pitches when he stepped out of the box. Is there something that you would look for in that? Yeah, you just look. I mean, you just you watch to watch, you know, you're not really looking for anything in particular. Just you might see something, you know, I think. You know, you might notice how they take the practice swings or where they stood the pitch before I'd pose to the next pitch and just looked for little things that maybe the hitter might be giving away.

Like if he's looking outside or inside or hard or soft, that's really the just really basic things. But you know towards the end of my career the video got better. I used to like to put in the hitter's last 20 at that against right handed pitchers. So you would see, you know, if we were to pick a hitter, you know, you might see him face the Phillies, Madsen, and maybe Pittsburgh, something like that, whatever, you know, rotation they were in. And I thought the last 20 at that's were a good indicator of what they're going to do the next night when you face. Yeah. We have run out of ways to talk about

show Hey, O'Connor. So I would love for you to explain to us as someone who played the game at a Hall of Fame level for, you know, decades. What when you watch him and you see what he's doing, just how shocking is it, uh, knowing what goes into the game? Well, what, what impresses me the most is, I don't know how many times I threw 7, 8, 9, 8, 8, and was too sore to take batting practice the next couple of days. So I wouldn't even take batting practice. Just physically, what he's able to do to be able to pitch a game.

I mean, it was like a few weeks ago, he threw a shot out and then hit two home runs in the back end of a double header. Yep. I mean, that was physically he's extremely gifted. a few weeks ago, he threw a shot out and then hit two home runs in the back end of a double header. I mean, that was physically he's extremely gifted. The recovery that he has to have, you know, every day as opposed to most pitchers and hitters is off the charts incredible. And you know, to be, you know, one of the best power hitters in the game, one of the best

power pitchers in the game, it's just, you know, I would never imagine that somebody can do that. And pretty special what he's doing. Do you think that's harder for pitchers nowadays? Because they, they have stack cast. They've got all the advanced metrics, especially when it comes to the strike zone. So every umpires getting graded on, on their performance night in, night out, and they have it down to like the millimeter. Is it harder for, for pitchers to work inpire like you used to work the outside corner?

You would you know gradually move the pitches further further off and just you know completely frustrated. Nowadays I feel like it's tougher to do that. Well I think when you take into consideration the top half of the strike zone that there is one now. I think when we pitched it was non-existent. I think trust men, much rather have the foot and a half up than maybe two or three inches off the plate. I think the strike zone is a little bit bigger now than it was when we pitched. Yes, we did get pitches, a tad more off the plate than the guys get now, but anything you know, dick up was a ball for us. And now you're seeing those pitches called, you know, chest high now, and even balls slightly above the zone.

So I think being able to pitch up there would be real bonus for a pitcher. So this may be something you don't think about at all, but I'm curious, the baseball Hall of Fame, you were no doubt Hall of Famer, did it piss you off a little bit that you didn't get 100% of the vote? It's the most ridiculous thing in the world that Hall of Fame voters, first specifically baseball, feel like they try to prove a point where like,

oh, we're not all going to vote for them first time. You were the definition of a first ballot, 100% Hall of Famer, and it still was 97.2 or whatever it was. Yeah, I think to be inducted enough, I mean, you know, I would have been happy getting in by one vote to be honest with you. You know, I'm not going to nitpick or feel sorry for myself because a couple guys have a role that they won't vote for a guy their first year. So, you know, it's, you get 500 riders together. There's, uh, there's going to be a lot of different opinions up there. And, uh, just to be selected, you know, for spallets enough for me.

I would have, I would have looked up who didn't vote for me. You sent him a letter. Maybe we'd have actually got out of their house and beamed him. Uh, it had been nice to maybe, you know, say, what's up, man, you're going to vote for Jack Jones and not me. We'll nitpick for you. Yeah, that's bullshit. That is bullshit. I did it.

Yeah. What about the other guys that you pitch against? I feel like, you know, you get a lot of credit as well. You should, you should get more credit because you pitched in an era, you know, the steroid era baseball was looking the other way. You were pitching against some players that were, you know, there were been in the rules a little bit, but, but you went out there and you were, you know, the best pitcher of that era.

Do you think that the guys that you went up against that maybe have been accused of steroids or accused of PEDs? You think they should be in the Hall of Fame? Well, that's a good question. You know how many home runs would they have hit if they didn't take them? You know what I mean? I think You know Fred McGriff just got in what he hit 497 Let's say Fred McGriff take some did he does he hit 700? You know, I don't I don't think it's fair to the guys that played clean. I think, you know, bonds was definitely a sure ballot Hall of Famer before all the stuff came out. And then,

you know, it's just, it's just a matter of opinion. I think Clemens was a definite Hall of Famer, you know, at the time, I think a lot of guys did things before they took them or might have taken them wherever you want to say it But there are definitely guys that they had the careers they had just because they took them. Yeah You know, so the answer is no obviously, I think you know You know answers no there might be an exception here there, but pretty much it's it's a it's a no could you tell here there, but pretty much it's a no. Could you tell maybe season to season when you're going up against guy and you're like, oh, that seems different.

Like he looks different. He hit the ball harder than he did last year. Yeah, you see it. You see it. And then, you know, also I heard, I heard somewhere that when you take those, it also improves your eyesight. So I think guys that maybe chased off speed out of the zone, chased a little bit less because your muscles get stronger and your eyes got a gazillion muscles in it and those,

if those muscles get stronger, you're also going to see better. So I think there's a lot into it. And I think obviously when you hit up a you know a 380 foot fly ball and that was going 400 feet, I think that's the obvious thing that you see out there. But guys become better hitters also that's it. That that that's it. Yeah, you mentioned Fred McGriff, the crime dog, great player, awesome dude. Your your teammate great nickname You teammates with him for a while. Did you ever bust his balls about the Tomomanski defensive drills video? Where he'd be like I am Fred for Griff Yeah, every chance we got every time we made a fundamental correct play whether it was a PFP or filled in a ground ball Yeah, we would we would draw his name all the time, you know, and ask Freddie if he

guaranteed it. What was your, I mean, you were known as a ultimate clubhouse guy. Uh, the stories about some of your pranks live on forever. What's one that you think back and maybe chuckle about like randomly? You're just like, Oh

yeah, I did get that guy good. Oh, well, a lot of it's a lot of it wasn't me. It seemed like I got blamed for everything. I mean, I pay especially now. It's like the longer you're out of the game, the more the stories get exaggerated. But we have fun, you know, I think, you know, as a starting pitcher,

you're really on the field for about an hour, till an hour and a half every five days, you know, and you're spending the other four days, you know days just trying to enjoy the game and have fun with your teammates. So you know, you can't get away with it nowadays because the rules have changed. But we tried to bully one another the best we could and be offensive and obnoxious and all that stuff but it was all in good fun a good way to pass the time and made a lot of good friends with Cusby.

Yeah so you're calling Tom Gleven a liar when he went on part of my take and maybe insinuated at one point maybe they ran out of toilet paper in the clubhouse. Well everybody will remember things a little bit of a different way, but maybe his undershirt was hanging up real close to you at the time. No, I never did nothing to glass close. I've always got even. I never started anything, but I always had even if somebody had something to me. And hopefully I got them a little bit better than I got to me.

Like if someone pissed on you, you'd piss on them back. That could be a possibility, but I was, I never first blood. I like that. That's a good just way to go about life. Like I'll never piss on a man that doesn't piss on me first. Mutually assured destruction. That's perfect.

So I had a couple last questions, Greg. So last last question is the rowback question, rhobac.com. Use promo code take, you 20% off your first purchase, QZIPs, Polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, everything at rowback.com. Use promo code take. Do you have a World Series pick? I know that we're in August, so it's a little bit of cheating, but do you have a world series pick i know that we're in august since a little bit of chatting but do you have you don't have to give us the winner but maybe who you gonna who you see after watching the majority of the season uh that you're like that team

has what it takes well obviously the braves i think are up there for me personally i think uh i never counted dodgers out you, they always seem to have, you know, a very good chance to win it. But you know, my sleeper this year is Texas, you know, I'm staying with, I'm, you know, I think I, I'd love the odds on Texas this year, you know, if I had money to bet, I'd go down and at least make sure I put something on them. Mm-hmm. Sounds like you have money to bet. Well, I'm allowed to bet it. Yeah, true. True.

My last question. You famously turned down the Yankees in favor of the braze in terms of, I think they maybe were offering you more money even. And you decided to go from the cubs to the braves. Is there something about playing in New York that you think even nowadays guys should be wary about when it comes to, it's a lifestyle or the media. Something that relates back to your decision when you decided, okay, it's a few more million dollars, but I value what Atlanta has to offer more than New York.

Well, yeah, at the time, you got to realize this was 92 after the 92 season. And my main goal was, was obviously I wanted a good contract but I wanted a chance to win a World Series ring and you know looking back in in 92 the braves were there in 90 and 91 or 91 92 whatever it was they were there two years in a row the Yankees weren't good yet. The Yankees didn't get good to a few years after that. And you know, my decision was made. Mostly I wanted a chance to get a ring. I wanted to stay in the National League. I knew the league that was before, and her league at the time. And the Braves offered me a good contract. So it, to me, it was a no-brainer. I would have loved to play the New

York looking back, you know. I probably would have loved to have played in New York looking back. You know, I probably would have a few more rings, but I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't change the pass for anything. You know, I was happy with the decision I made at the time. I'm still happy with it. And I would have loved to have played in New York. I loved going to Shay Stady all the time. I loved playing the Yankees too., so I love the city. But I felt like the National League was a better fit for me, and at the time, the Braves had a much better chance to get a ring than Yankees did. And you would have, you're a beloved baseball player,

Hall of Famer. If you had played for the Yankees in one rings with Derek Cheater, I think, I don't think you'd be as beloved. I would hate you. I would hate your guts. the Yankees and one rings with Derek Cheter, I think I don't think you'd be as beloved. I would hate you. I would hate you. I'd hate your guts. Well, there you have it.

So fun. You made the right choice. No, I love, you know, it was never about not wanting to play in New York, you know, it was more about what was better for me at the time and the goals I wanted to accomplish. And I just felt like Atlanta fit that better than New York did. Yeah. All right. So my last last question, we had Matt Olson from the Braves on

great interview. And we asked him a question that I love asking professional athletes. What is something that fans get wrong when they're watching the game or understanding the game that like would frustrate a player like this is not how it works like this is a lot more difficult than you guys are letting on or this is just an intricacy of the game that an average fan can't really pick up on. Yeah I think probably when you see a hit or swing it a pitch that bounces you know a foot in front of the plate or it's two feet outside you you know, everyone goes, how can you swing at that? You know, I think until you've actually got a bat in your hand and you go up there and

stand in against it and you're trying so hard to hit a 95 plus mile an hour fastball and you don't get the curve ball or the slider. You can look pretty foolish at times. And for me, that's always been it. It looks a lot easier to hit on TV than it does when you're standing up there, actually, based on a rainy Johnson or Roger Clements. That's a fair point.

When somebody go and invent a new pitch, by the way, I feel like it's been a few years since we saw the gyro ball, your instrumental in the circle change coming up. We have any new pitches coming through? Man, I don't know any. I don't know any. I know some of those sidearmher guys can throw a curve ball down low when it rises.

I saw that a couple times, but for some reason the hitters don't swing at it very often. But they can actually make the ball rise. And I think, Gathers, one guy doing it now, I can't think of his name though, but, you know, those side armors, when they throw a curveball down there, it actually rises to me, that's pretty impressive.

Yeah, yeah. Well, Matt Dog, thank you for coming on again. We're gonna have you back on soon enough that you remember this one. That's our promise. All right, appreciate it. All right, thanks so much, man. Oh,

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We're gonna go back to what we did a few years ago where instead of doing four picks each, we're gonna talk about every game and then at the end we'll do two picks each. So it's gonna be you only get one total and you get a spread. So it's not going to be, you know, how we how we were doing it the last two years where we were just going through our picks and that's how we're previewing it. But so we always have a punishment. We did the drive last year. We did the bowling this year. And you could you could say

that we don't have to do this, but this year the loser is going to have to put on a one-hour show in Vegas to a live audience what that we also live stream and They can't use like can't be like Q&A they can't do any of that PFT's only a lot of play one song on his guitar if he loses Basically they have to put on like a magic stand up, you know. But one man show.

It's a one man show. Or you could do like one hour. You could do like an hour. An hour. An hour. An hour. Is there a second place involvement here? A second place.

We've talked about producing it. Yeah, or the second place maybe has to do a 15 minute warm-up set. Yeah, that works. Yeah, opening act. I like that. I mean, we already agreed on it, so you don't really have a set. I think the I do enjoy the second place pain. Yeah, it's the funnest wrinkle. 15 minutes isn't really like that, especially when someone else is doing that. You want 30? I don't know, yeah, I don't know. 30 minute opening act. 15's fine, 15's fine. 30 minute opening act.

22 and a half. 22 and a half minute opening act. Like the length of a TV show. Yeah. Yeah, no songs. No songs, no songs. No songs, no songs. You get your second place.

Why should be a lot of do songs though? Can we do one song? No, you can do one song. Can we sing like karaoke? Yeah, you can do one song. Can we sing like karaoke? Yeah, you can do one song. Okay. For the kids, you can do one song, but it has to be under three minutes.

Yes. And you can't do like, you can't just stand up there and do a Q&A. You can't use the audience like that. Maybe you can do like, like am I loose? I'm gonna learn an entire magic set. Could you do like three?

What is that face? Five, you think I can do the magic? Five minute Q and A. Don't, don't. Think of it. I'm respectful to the magician's career. Think of a super bowl. Think of a super bowl.

36. No, no, think of a super bowl. Think of a super bowl this year. Who's you mean the super bowl? Think of it. Shame Victorina. Patriots. No, no, you think I have to think of it.

I'm gonna do, oh, it's a mentalist. Yeah, he just, he's predicting Patriots. But you, Patriots in, no, you don't have to think about it. I'm do oh, oh, it's a mentalist. Yeah, he just said he's predicting Patriots But you the Patriots equals that's what you were thinking but using the crowd for this. Yeah, you can I mean you could do that But you can't do a Q&A. I'm gonna cut someone in half Patriots If that's true then I said Patriot you were thinking Patriots Eagles. I would oh Hank $50,000 already no magic Oh, we can talk about that now. Yeah, now.

Hank and I have a five year Super Bowl, but if the Patriots don't get back to the Super Bowl in the next five years, they have to just get there. If they do get there in the next five years, I owe Hank $50,000. If they don't, he owes me 20 grand. Don't a great bet. Massive.

You were just feeling your soul. You were in the zone. Oh, we're feeling so good. Yeah, no. That was a bad bet. That was a great bet massive yeah you were just feeling you were sitting you're in the zone you're like oh well being so good yeah no that's a bad that's a bad bet yeah it's exhilarating though but it'll be on it'll be the best bet of all time if it hits yes it'll be a great bet yeah okay should you do the Mount Rushmore? The Mount Rushmore of wait I got played on that team what are the standings This is three weeks left. This is including, we're including the paintball now. Which does feel good.

The Jake didn't get any points in paintball. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They caught me. I just wanted to play the clip real quick. We got the FST 27.

Hank and Max 26 us 23 Jake are you sure that you said okay? Cuz some people are saying that was Billy that said okay. No, you could hear a lot of people Pft hold on I got the guy you Is anything oh Jake you say it was a fog of war man adrenaline say something's running okay, right But I didn't say surrender okay,, so we ordered the scores again. We're up, we have 27. 27, 26, 23.

All right, so what's our magic number? Yeah, that was tough. Oh, yeah, that was tough. What, asking what our magic number is? I'm gonna tell you how you dominated the last man was where you've lost. Well, that was just people, listen, I can't, aren't like they should have put more respect

on Jim Ross's name. That's a fact. We came in second, right? Yeah, it's crazy. You say you hate our audience. No, Jim Ross, they should have realized. That's an all-time iconic clip. I was disappointing our audience.

Yes, I was. I could say that. I love our audience. Okay. You were drinking champagne before that. Before that. Pandering bitch. All right, came out. Hank and Max, big cotton PFT PFT you love our audience so much you're taking another vacation this weekend

Balls also ability to text back so like 30 minutes ago, so me and tell me about this one. Okay. All right. Who's got the first pick? Hank and Max big cotton PFT us all right Hank and Max I we meet in max oh This guy cooked for you last week official title holy shit that guy played for that. Whoa. Yeah, no whoa Not say shit profanity on the graphics. It's wait that guy played on that team. Okay We will go this is the number one I think of when I think of this category, obviously it's one one,

Kim Lajuan on the Raptors. Okay, it's a good pick. Yeah, we had that. The pictures, the pictures are ridiculous. Yeah, it is, it is shocking. Okay, so it's our pick next? Yes. I think we go with our one one.

Sure. Yeah, this is what I think of, and it also plays for this interview, this episode, it's Emmett Smith Cardinals. Yeah. Emmett Smith Cardinals, like every time I see that picture, I'm like, what the fuck? He's just starting to look at it.

Yeah. Play's so long for one team, and then the Cardinals of all teams. That's the other thing. The rap that I like, the Kim Laijuan pick, because it also has to be like a random enough team. Yeah, and it also helps when the color of the uniform is shockingly different from the original one. Right. Cowboys and cartels does not make sense.

Right. Okay. Wrap around. Many people are saying Moose Johnson was the key to that rushing attack. Yes. And it's Smith's system running back. Yes. Facts.

Okay. Um, we are going to go with Joe name it Rams. Oh, okay. Is that a Billy pick? No Billy didn't help. That's a good pick What he said you say you say you responded 30 minutes ago 30 minutes, but the rule is within the hour Yeah, no really you guys know I literally said he said you do you record yet? And I said yes, but don't send any Options I want to stick to the rules. Okay. Billy's living his best life time in the work of some of this. He's just so happy.

Oh, Billy's jets tweets are going to be just so drunk. Yeah. He also definitely is missing having dinner. Yeah. He probably just does need dinner on Sunday. Behind the scenes like our dinner game has been off without Billy around. It's true because we all wait till we wait till way too late to figure out like what's going for dinner.

Billy would have been in the group chat at 9 a.m. being like, what are we doing for dinner? We need someone memes. You got to be the new Billy dinner guy. He does today and it was weird. But you need to just just step into that role. Yeah, but also with football Sunday starting. It's like we're going to be in a group. Yeah, sure.

Yeah. Okay, so Joe name it. Rams. Joe name of Rams. He played his last year there. I'll be honest, I don't even remember. So Joe nameeth Rams. Joe nameeth Rams. He played his last year there. I'll be honest. I don't even remember any of Joe nameeth's career. I just remember that one game. Yeah. It's not always a jet. I remember the Susie Colbert thing. Yeah. Colbert. Colbert. Colbert.

Colbert. Who kissed Susie? He's so beautiful. All right. I want to kiss you. I don't know. He's a thrower, not a passer. That's not going to, not a passer. That's how much I had picked. And then next we are going to go with Alan Iverson Grizzlies. Okay.

There's another good head. We had that as well. All right. I think we go with the second guy on our list, Big Cat. Oh yeah. We'll go Jerry Rice on the Seahawks. Makes no sense. No sense.

Especially because these were rival guys doing through it right. No whole thing. I mean, it was weird when he went to the Raiders. That was strange. Right. I remember I think people remember that. People remember that he was there for a few years. But the Raiders he was a cool Jersey and it's like, oh, okay. Probably didn't have to move. Yeah, right. But it wasn't the same house. Right. Exactly. The Seahawks made no fucking sense.

No. Yeah. And he was like 40. And he was on the Broncos too, but that was like an offseason. I think he was there for a training camp. And he showed up, gave a speech, he was like, I'm out. Yeah, see Hawks is the shocker. Okay, you guys are up.

We are going to go with Jerome Betis on the Rams. That was prior. It was prior. It was prior. Right, yeah, okay. But it's crazy. Yeah, prior. Right. Yeah. Okay. But it's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Yeah.

Good pick. Yeah. Have you seen a picture of a drama? Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. Why are you saying it like that? No. I'm agreeing with you. You said, I mean, yeah.

Which means. Well, it's a prior. I remember. Prior to what? There's no prior and post. No, there were, yeah. There was prior to the Steelers. Yeah, he was on the ramps Well, you didn't finish. What is the name of the malrusch more wait? I know I know but I it

When a guy was on a team first then goes to the team that he's remembered I didn't realize that was Good pick good pick Is there for three years yeah, three years? Max wait did you get drafted by them? Oh? There's there for three years. Yeah, three years. It's a long time. Mm-hmm. Max. Wait, did he get drafted by them? He did get drafted by them. Oh, okay. And the first round. Oh, there's a probably picture too.

The first round? Did he take pictures of first round draft? Yeah, it's a crazy, that's, there are people listening to this blog that have been like, wait, your own bettis was on the ramp? Yeah, I mean, he was rookie of the year on the ramp. You literally had to ask if it was prior to the former.

Oh, it was prior. You literally asked for it. You were like, no, prior, right? Which did you didn't know? No, we knew. Okay, good pick. All right, well, this fits your little criteria. No, it's no criteria.

He was actually first team all pro. Also, no one knows of Jerome Betis on the ramps, except for people who are 90 years old. He didn't play that long When did you think Jerome Betis played For the Rams 90 years ago for the Rams 90 years. It was a long time ago It's not a bad pick in fact. I like the creativity of taking a guy a prior a prior who was also outstanding on that team What is the name of the category? I had I had that guy played on that. No, I had I was thinking of a pick that wouldn't have played

because he didn't actually play for them, but Scotty Pippen Super sonics. Because he got drafted by the sonics. He put on the hat. Yeah, you could do a million guys like that. Yeah, that's a different Mount Rushmore. Our next pick fitting your super specific criteria. No, there's no great. Dear, it's a good pick. Is he good? He won all, what did you say? All pro and rookie the year?

Oh, he won, he was a rookie that was rookie of the year and also the only rookie all pro and his first round draft, his first round. I don't know today. No, no, today, man. No more Garcia-Para Oakland athletics. Oh, that's good. I like that. That's good ones because people thought you're going to do Cubs,

but it's not. No, I played for the Cubs for a while, but the Dodge for a while. Yeah. I played one season in the A's was not good. It, that's good. I like that. That's good. Well, people thought you're gonna do Cubs, but it's not. No, I played for the Cubs for a while. But the Dodge for a while. Yeah, yeah. But once these in the A's was not good. It was his last year. Yeah. That's good pick. 160. That's good. I was getting ready to denigrate it if you had said Dodgers. Like everyone remembers that. Yeah, you're right. Good pick. Um, I know that one. That one was a great pick. Both of them were great. That one I did not know that. Yeah, that was good pick. Um, this is a fun fact. Okay.

A lot. Okay. I like number 16, 18 on our list. And wait, should we go back? You had 16, 17, 18 murderers were right there. And 20 also placed. I did not know that one. Are you pick? You pick one of those. Those are all we're going to go. We're going to go with You pick one of those. Those are all we're gonna go. We're gonna go with King Griffey Jr. on the white socks. Yes. Whoa.

Yes. Whoa. Did you hear that? Hear that? Whoa. That's shocked him. That's shocked. The reds mariners. Jake, did you know that drone bet is played on the Rams?

Not until this morning when I looked it up. There we go. What? Why is Jake? Jake is the least honest person here. Oh my God. You literally went to the biggest liar we've got. Jake, we still love you. Jake is about to offer.

Well, Jake, we do love you. We don't trust you, but we love you. Okay. You got to build trust back. I know I'm glad you're giving the second chance a lot of people it's one one strike rule It's especially on this pocket. Yeah, right. Yeah, Billy only had one strike Billy was like a team all-players You can't strike out. It was a four-year strike. Just walk up Okay All right, can't Griffey White Talks our next thing? Yeah It was a four year strike just walk. Okay. All right, can't greet you. White socks are next.

But yeah. Yeah, I was really good. Thank you. Thanks. I'm going to go. We we are going to go with. Well, no, Billy didn't help you. No means.

They were new rule. You can help with Billy doesn't. Yeah. Because otherwise it's a three man team. Yeah. We're going to go with David Ortiz minuso to twins. Oh, it's a three man team. Yeah, we're gonna go with David Ortiz Minnesota twins Prior, we're gonna try here. Okay, I won okay

I don't know he was on the Minnesota twins. Don't let him talk to you like this No, it's good pick could pick Jake Prior, yeah, remember when they thought that they won the last one don Don't let him. Listen, I just said, all I said was word prior. You fucking idiot. You can't say the word prior. No, yeah. It's fine. Prior.

But holy shit. Or sorry. Wait, you played on the swing. Wait, David Ortiz played on the twins. Yeah. That hits. Yeah. A bit of a lot of people don't know that.

Yeah. All right. Did you know that Hank? I will obviously I'm doing a darena Vell Twitter poll Hank did you know that? Okay, and our final pick Oh There's a lot of good names, so there's a lot of it's a long list here Shaka's Jake come on Kurt Warner Giants. Oh, yeah, that's it. That's an in between her. Yep, in between her. Yeah, not a lot of say that Max poster. We love to say in between her. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm. I'm sorry. I'm. I'm. I'm sorry. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. play for the Giants for a year. Yeah, I didn't he like I'm in off the bench Yeah, I think he was back up. Yeah, I remember Kurt Warner in New York the only thing memorable

He did was fumble the ball like a thousand times and he looked so cold. Yeah, he looks so cold He hates playing outdoors. He hates anybody playing outdoors. Yeah, um, okay playing outdoors. Yeah. Okay. I kind of like that 20 pick because that one shocked me, but I'm gonna I'm gonna let you. I would go 16 18 or 20. I'll put it to you. Hmm. You should get 18 lucky number. Many remebers on the race. I had no idea. I had no idea. I guess it was the double raise. I had no idea. I saw no idea. I guess it was the double raise. I had no idea. I saw put double raise on the ground. Yeah, because he got popped. I had no idea. That's what he got popped. If you had asked me that, I would never have guessed that. Just seeing him in a race. Sure. Boxing Dodgers. Is that it? Plus, raise. He was on the race. He was

on the white socks too. What? I'm pretty sure. This is when he once he's he's sparring with the Dodgers. He was he played for a little bit's he's he's he's he's he played for a little bit on the Indian. Yeah, he played on the white socks 2010. And then he played on the raises last year. The white socks I knew the raise I had if you would ask me I'd never want to guess that. Well, I know I think it was the raise not that worries. Are they changing because he's in the like the newer. Yeah, that's when he was taking the extra. We do for the graphic. The player's in the like the newer. Yeah, that's when he was taking the we do for the graphic. To the drug. The players in the jerseys that would kind of slap.

I have that order to squeeze him in there. Yeah, it might be tough. Yeah. All right. Well, there should be a thread though. We should do a thread after. Yeah. Okay. You guys have last pick. Yep. There's been a very strong Mount Rushmore all around. I don't know how this is going to go. You know, it's all in for very good picks. So with that being said, our last pick will be Randy Moss on the Titans.

Oh, okay. You didn't go Niners. You know, we had Niners in our list for any moss. I kind of remember that. And as you know, he played Raiders, Niners. He bounced around. But Titans, right? He went back to the Vikings, right?

Yeah. And there was a barbecue. You went back to the Vikings, right? Yeah. And there was a barbecue situation. Yeah. Is that on the Vikings? I think so. So if I remember correctly, in the locker room, they had this barbecue caterer that showed up in Randy Moss, did not think that the barbecue was very good.

And then they cut him because he was rude to the barbecue caterers. Yeah. Yeah. All right. That's a good pick. Thank you. All right. What do we have? We have a lot of the tightest pole. Yeah, it's it's three way coin and we have a lot of honorable mentions Kevin Durant on the sonics. Yeah, I wanted to do Jeff Green in the sonics. Oh, yeah, everyone's kind of members Kevin Durant but Jeff Green also was on that one year and then we PFC and I, what are you guys would slip up and do either MJ Wizards, which obviously everyone knows.

And also Joe Montana chiefs, because they went to the AFC championship. I don't think I knew that until they talked about it in the Super Bowl storyline. Yeah, yeah. I'm on Alexander on the Redskins. Yeah, oh yeah. The Redskins have a shitload.

I forgot about that one. That's crazy. TJ Duckett on the Redskins, Albert Haynesworth on the Redskins. McNebb before we went to the Vikings. Yeah, McNe crazy TJ Duckett on the redskins Albert Haynes worth on the redskins McNebs before we went to the Vikings. Yeah, I saw McNebs I went to the game bears Vikings. I think it was Monday night football McNebs and he was just throwing the ball like five yards into the dirt. Yeah, I was like this is so sad It was very sad at the yeah Shanahan Benchman for being fat Yeah, and then had to make up a different word for fat to use in the news

Who's like it's his cardio vascular endurance. Yeah. I had a couple personal ones. Sammy Sosa on the Orioles and Rangers. Yep. Yep. We had that. Devin Hester on the Seahawks. Mm-hmm. Cutler on the dolphins. He had a couple of Monday night games though that were memorable enough. Ocho Sinko on the Patriots. They did make a Super Bowl with them. Shack on the Celtics. But I think people talk about Shack and all the places that you could do

a full-mount Rushmore and these and Shack. And he also did a nickname everywhere. Yeah, the Big Shamrock. Yeah, so it kind of stuck. Ed Read on the Jets. Ed Read on the Jets was a big one, yeah. Was he on the Texans? Yeah, we had that on the list.

Oh shit. T.O. on the Seahawks or the Bengals or the Bills or the Bills. I remember Bills. Yeah, because they called it, you like, I remember there was a quote you went from America's team to North America's team. Yeah, Patrick, you in on the Sonic's and Magic. Yeah, I remember the magic. I do not remember the Sonic's, which is weird because the magic was the last team he played

for. Eddie George on the Cowboys. Yep. Pete Rose on the X-Pose. Played for like 50 games. Vlad Guerrero was on the Orioles too. Yeah. Yeah. Mike Piazza, Oakland A's.

Oh, whoa. Whoa. That's a good one. Is that a prior? Uh. That was post. Post. You know what's the meds? Yeah, prior was Dodgers. know, it's a mess.

Yeah, prior was Dodgers. Yeah, he finished his address. It is. We basically just did a macular grit. Oh, and I'm addicted to macular grids.

If you put anything on a grid, I'll look it up. Um, who else? Anyone else that we missed? I mean, the way this hall got sparked, I would have said, do I

wait on the calves? Yeah, yeah. I already talked about it. Bobby Orpley for the Black Hawks. There's some old ones that are, we did the Johnny United's one on the floor. You could do a photo. I know Johnny United's on the chargers.

Yeah, you could do a full one of Jeremy Rieger too. Yeah, yeah, there's some great ones out there. Okay, good Mount Rushmore. This thread is gonna just blow people's minds. Yeah, it actually like hurts my brain to look at some of these Drum Braddest, yeah, wild one. Make sure when you post the drum bettis memes it says work every year and first team all pro How many put his stats on that? You guys are worse. No, you're the worst. I wonder what he got traded for. Let's see

Redbettis Rams. Oh, and what would become one of the more lopsided trades in NFL history? Betis was traded to the Steelers. We had a third round pick in exchange for a second round pick and fourth round pick. That's a pretty lopsided trade. Some would say the most lopsided trade in NFL history. We probably missed so many that people are gonna say afterwards. Actually, you know, it's a good prior,

Dribbries Chargers. Yeah, I mean, obviously it was like a big deal, but he's so synonymous with the Saints. What yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I didn't pick it Randall cunning him on the Cowboys. Yeah. Oh, that's good one. Yeah, that's a very good one. Randy Johnson on the Giants. Oh Carrie Wood on the Yankees bothered me. Yeah, the Indians for some some reason was like I would ever but the Yankees for that one year Was like what the fuck Mark Sanchez on the Washington football team Mark Sanchez on the Bears. Yeah, and the Eagles and the Eagles damn popped around Okay, great show boys

Do you have on the redskins great to have you back great to be back great to have you too. I did so hang out hang all day. Hank Oh, I didn't see what Hank's score was on the final score card We played golf in the game. You were on a team. Our team won. It was a great time Yeah, would you shoot though because I didn't see what you shot at the end It was like a 105. Oh, that's cool Was like a 105 Yeah, I that's good because I've never broken sounds like a 105. Yeah, I've never broken. Sounds like a 112.

I've never known some of the give me this, but I've never broken a hundred before. So you probably beat me then. No, PFT. PFT played the round of the life. I almost broke 99 shot of a life. That's that's how good I played. Team came this came one stroke away from breaking 99. You had over 98 and a half strokes.

I did. I did, but just I fucking wish I could break 99. Every golfer's dream. You will. And one day. One day. Uh, okay, numbers. 18. 99.

You son of a bitch. 69. Fuck you, Hank. You got one. 20. Meams has got three. Uh, Meams, you ever got it?

I'm afraid for the amount of hits of marijuana Hank smoked today. Shane has 10. You're back. I was back. I was very clear. I was back. I quit possessing it.

Someone passed it. Someone passed it to me. I have no choice. I had that happen to me last night too. It was like Michael Scott. What was the concert? He went to the keys. Yeah, you're smoking., you're smoking passing red started coughing up my long. That was a mistake That's gonna cost me okay

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Oh, a red monster monster. Yeah, yeah. I don't have a fact. I'm gonna fact. For our facts. I love you guys. PFTB tanking golf. Yeah, that's good.

Well, it's Ken fly. That's a good, that's a good pick, Max. Mine was good. Yeah, it's good. Mine was PFTB tanking golf today. Oh, good. Animal fact. Tank at PFT1, they golf.

Animal fact, I had a birdie, which is a type of animal, and then that made me almost break 99. And Hank didn't. Did you have any birdies? No. Shit. Birdies are hard. I guess.

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