Pardon My Take - Dana White, Booger McFarland And Sour Grapes Documentary Review

Episode Date: June 5, 2020

NBA is back. The NBA announced their plans to return to play and included the Zion rule to make sure he was in the playoffs. (2:10-11:50) We adopted a minor league baseball player. (11:51-15:28) Fyre Fest of the week from Bubba, Billy, Big Cat, and PFT, Hank is still on vacation of course. (17:55-26:24) Dana White joins the show to talk about UFC 250, Fight Island, and why he thinks sports media is a bunch of fucking dorks. (27:33-58:22) Booger McFarland joins the show to talk about Drew Brees' comments about Flag protests, what the locker room will be like with the Saints, Peloton with PFT and his short sleeve suit. (59:47-1:39:17) We finish with a documentary review of Sour Grapes (1:41:04-1:54:07)You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

Hey, pardon my take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen, ad-free, on Amazon Music. On today's pardon my take, we have a twofer, Friday twofer, we got Dana White, ahead of UFC 250, and then we have Booger McFarland, good friend, recurring guest Booger McFarland, we get into everything with him, that's happened the past week, Drew Brees, and Peloton, more, we also have Firefest of the Week, the NBA is back, and our review of Sour Grapes, the documentary we watched this week, before we get to all of that, pardon my take, is brought

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voted to start the season up again late July, going into potentially, what, October 15th, October 12th? October 12th is the last day that could happen, could have a NBA game, it would be a Monday night, that would be game seven of the NBA finals. I'm so excited, that would be Columbus Day I think, that would be incredible, that would be incredible. You're really gonna, you're gonna do Columbus Day this year? See day.

Knowing everything? I'm doing see day. Okay. See day this year is gonna be incredible. Yes. The schedule's coming up, September 20th is gonna be a hell of a day in sports, it's gonna be the day when all the sports align, we're gonna have NBA playoffs, we're gonna have hockey playoffs, we're gonna have last week.

Not a major sport. We're gonna have last week. No, hockey doesn't count anymore. Hockey doesn't count? Max Kalerman said not one of the major four sports. What's the fourth? MLS? I don't know, I just saw that and I was like, oh Max Kalerman, add it again, didn't

have, wasn't in the news cycle for a couple times, for a couple days, probably, probably was sitting there watching the world burn and was like, you know what, I really gotta get Max Kalerman's name in this, hockey is not one of the major sports. Well, he probably was saying that boxing is still a major sport, if it's Max Kalerman, so it's boxing, it's football, but anyways, September 20th is going to be the perfect sports day. I'm very much looking forward to it, I want them to get Joe Buck doing his thing where he gets on like a different mode of transportation.

You've got also golf, the U.S. Open, that's the final round of that on that day, I want him driving to like four different venues to call four separate sports on the same day. Clear your schedule, so the NBA is back, I'm excited for this, they're all going to be playing in a bubble, not really a bubble, in Orlando, three different sites, they're playing eight regular season games to finish it, oh they're not calling it regular season games, they're calling it seeding games, and then it's pretty basic, the only fun twist they have, and it's basically Adam Silver could have gotten in front of the nation, been like, hey guys, Zion, have you heard of him?

Kind of a big deal, and we want to make sure that he's involved in this no matter what, so here are Zion Williamson rules, and that is one that they invited everyone, they invited these teams past the eight seed, they could have just done the playoffs, they could have been like, we'll do a little warm up, and then the seeds are the seeds, but the New Orleans Pelicans are right now the tenth seed, so we got to get Zion in there, and then the extra Zion rule, which I love, if the ninth seed is within four games of the eighth seed, they then play in a special elimination tournament to decide the eighth seed, and the tournament is simply if the eighth seed has to beat the ninth seed once, the ninth seed has to beat

the eighth seed twice. Jesus, okay, that's an unnecessary complication. Adam Silver could have just simplified everything and been like, you know what, Zion's in the playoffs, let's just put Zion in the playoffs. How does it break down conference by conference, because the initial plan I saw was the east gets nine teams, and the west gets, what, eleven? Yeah, so it's nine teams in the east, and no, thirteen in the west. So nine teams in the east, and the wizards are your ninth team, but they are five and

a half games back, so it's going to be hard for them to get even into that. Let's play a playoff game. So that probably is decided, the east is probably decided. The west... What are the nets? The nets are the seventh seed right now. That could be interesting, because there are two players out there that are very much going to benefit.

Kevin Durant are officially a go or not, we don't know. We don't know, but if the nets get into the playoffs, and Kyrie and KD, it's like weird fucking weird ass season, and everything's up in the air, and they're like, yeah, you know what, let's fuck up our next season. That would be wild, though, to have them both come back for the playoffs. They would play the Raptors if the playoffs started today. And then in the west, we will have, so it's the eight seeds that are currently in the playoffs, the Grizzlies being the eighth seed, they're three and a half games up on the Blazers,

the Pelicans, the Kings, and they're four games up on the Spurs. So it's really the Zion rule. They want to figure out a way to get Zion in the playoffs, and I am all for that. Yes, I was going to say, honestly, if they had just made it eight and eight, we would be here being like, Adam Silver figure out a way to get Zion in the playoffs. Right. So, and then the champion is going to have like no time to have a turnaround, because like we said, the October, or the teams that are in the finals will have no time to turn

around, because they'll be going to mid-October, I would assume that the new season will start sometime in December. And when is the finals for the Knicks, the draft lottery? The Knicks, the draft lottery is going to be on, so the draft is August 25th, and then the draft is going to be on October 15th, no matter what. And the saddest thing that they've ever come up with, because they want to make sure that there's no team with 10 month layoff, is they're going to have like a simulated, not shoot around, but mini camp for the 10 teams, or excuse me, the eight teams that didn't

make the bubble. That is sad. So, so sad. We can just go ahead and forego that. Pathetic. Now, all right, so it's going to be in Orlando, is it going to be all at like Disney World Epcot Center? No, it's going to, so they're all going to be in a hotel, they're taking a hotel, they're

going to let, no fans, they're going to let family members be there. It said that the players can, there's going to be some wiggle room with like restaurants and playing golf, but it's going to be weird, but we have sports back. Is Orlando ready to go? My big question is, is the medieval times in Orlando going to be opened up? That's a great question. Is the chilies at the airport? We canceled that one.

Remember that? Because they fired older. Yeah. We all need to grow. No, but they might, no, they fired them because the unemployment was actually going to pay them more. Is that what happened? Yes.

So they had them clean out the restaurant. We can still eat at that chilies. The unemployment was going to pay them more. So that's the NBA news. We obviously have big news that Drew Brees has been officially canceled. He is retired. Not actually. We're going to get to that with Booger.

I, I don't know really what to like. It's, it's, we were talking about it before the show. It now has become about Drew Brees this entire past week, which is so stupid. The conversation has moved to, it's been hijacked. To whether or not it was right to go at Drew Brees. That's not what the issue is. And I did look it up right now. He was doing, it was a hit for Wrangler Jeans.

So he was, it was a sponsored hit Wrangler got their money. I mean, actually it should have been real comfortable jeans with a G Wrangler. Damn. So we do have a discussion about that with Booger. We thought it'd be perfect to have him on because he's Louisiana native. He played in the NFL. He knows Drew Brees. That was very good.

Anything else we got cooking right now that we want to, to throw out there? Oh yeah, we should say Billy just perked up. What do you got? Jake from's canceled too. Oh yeah. It was actually bad, which is very bad, Jake, bad. Is Joe Flacco allowed to own guns? Jake from bad, Jake, bad, bad job, Jake.

I don't know what's going to happen. I don't think they've made any decisions. Our Jake, if he didn't pay attention while he listens to the show beforehand, he's going to freak out if he just like woke up to the bad, Jake, bad, tiny, tiny thumbs deliver big racism. By the way, just a little shout out real quick to Jake Marsh doing a great job with the terrible sports memories. Yes.

The, the one he had a couple of days ago, if you're not following our Twitter account, what are you doing? But Jake Marsh is, is tweeting out this day in sports history and we tasked him with finding the most boring, dumbest events and he had one the other day that was Steph Curry moves his mic an inch to the left in a post game press conference. I liked that one. And I also liked the kid that came in sixth place in the national spelling bee. And then it turns out that that kid follows part of my take on Twitter and he did not

expect to wake up in the morning and be reminded about losing in the sixth round of the stuff. That was like Mike Glennon waking up yesterday and reading on Twitter that who was on the bears that said, Akeem Hicks said when he was asked to Colin Kaepernick be an NFL quarterback, his response was we signed Mike Glennon signed Mike Glennon is now, I think it replaces Rex's our quarterback and bears Lord now because we signed Mike Glennon. Yeah, we signed Mike Glennon. I was all in on my paid no problem admitting that when we signed Mike Glennon, I was like, Mike Glennon is good.

And I was wrong. You were very wrong about that. That's okay. Think about this way. Sometimes you just got to be wrong to be right. Colin Kaepernick has played on zero teams in the last three seasons. Mike Glennon has played on three teams. So who's in more demand?

So there you go. I remember vividly I was driving down. I flew into Memphis. I was driving down to Arkansas for the Arkansas Derby and I was listening to the Cubs on the radio. It was a Friday afternoon and Mike Glennon was throwing out the first pitch and doing the seventh inning stretch and they had him in the booth. Did he bounce it and he was like, he was like, Yeah, you know, I'm just ready to have a team

be my team and take this team and just be the leader that I know I can be. And I was like, you know what, Mike fucking Glennon, this guy gets it. We signed Mike Glennon. We should also mention as Father's Day is approaching, we're all dads on this podcast now. Right. We're all dads because we adopted a minor league player. We're going to say that today.

Yeah. Why not? Okay. We adopted a minor league player. Yeah. So there's a lot of teams aren't paying their minor leaguers. They've kind of disbanded their teams for the rest of the season. There's a program where you can adopt a minor league player and they just assign you one

at random. So we were assigned this guy at random. His name is Jaden. His name is Jaden Murray. What's his Twitter handle? He's a pitcher for the Hudson Valley Renegades in the Tampa Bay Rays program. I'll pull up his Twitter profile. Perfect.

Jaden Murray 44. Jaden. That's a girl. He was born on April 11th. I'm just stalling right now until I can pull up his Twitter handle and tell you it's at Murray underscore Jaden 08. So he's from Utah. It's from Journal Utah.

Jaden underscore. Ooh. 23rd round draft pick. So real underdog story. Wait. At Murray? At Murray underdog. No A in Murray?

Underdog. With an A. Underdog. At Murray underscore Jaden 08. Jaden 08. So we're all dads now. My underscore was in the wrong place. Jaden, what are you going to get me?

That's really why I adopted him. Okay. 143 followers. He needs to have at least 1,000 followers by the time we wake up tomorrow. Jaden Murray. All right. Let's just quickly make sure he hasn't tweeted anything. What Twitter search are you doing right now?

I'm going to, he's from Utah. Search for Darn. American flag, kneeling, no. Nothing on Barstow. So that's good. That's a good sign. Okay. Because he could have said something bad.

He only has like 300 tweets. So I think he's good. That would suck though. If we got someone can't. If we got, yeah, that would be very bad. Also, you should do actually a real deep dive. A deep dive. Billy, can you do that for me?

Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You just had Billy do that? I feel like that's the worst person to put in charge of anything important ever. It's a CYA move for me. Okay. Actually, I don't want your head going into that space. I don't trust your judgment, PFD, to put Billy in charge of anything. All right.

So he, this year so far, excuse me, 2019, he was 0-2 with a 2.88 eRA. That's pretty good. And he's not bad at hitting either. Looks like he's a, oh no, that's the average against him. He had 37 strikeouts in 2019. Shit. Okay. Well, we got a guy.

Jayden Murray. Jayden Murray. Congratulations. Congratulations. Welcome to the family. I was wondering how you would try to cook my first father's day for real. It feels good to be a dad. We're all dads now.

I mean, I don't really know what even you're supposed to do on Father's Day besides be like, today's the day I get to sleep in, don't bother me on the toilet. If you had a lawn, you would mow it. Yeah. Pretty much. Have a cup of coffee in bed. There you go. If someone buy me a tie, you're, yeah, you're allowed to fall asleep on the couch and not

get woken up for five minutes. Perfect. Perfect. All right. Let's do our fire fest before we get to Dana White. We're also going to review sour grapes at the end of the show. So we got Dana White and Booger McFarland coming up. Then we have sour grapes review.

Fire fest of the week. Who wants to go first? Liam, do you have one? Yeah. Liam's got one. So Bubba, go ahead. Hank is on vacation still. By the way, Hank, not only didn't reply to the chin, he, he just didn't reply to the

replies to the chin. Like I tweeted Hank, it's past 10 o'clock. He didn't even give us the dignity of replying to that. He is so far off the grid right now. When he checks Twitter, it's like the most recent notification I looked at was 11 hours ago. Because I was actually did the nice, the nice boss thing of not yelling at him about something different to not ruin his vacation.

But now I know that he doesn't listen to this. So Hank, your ass is mine when you come back. Your ass is in the fucking jackpot. He's not going to listen. So I'm not ruining his vacation. Right. That's totally fair. All right.

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I love it because I can wake up and I'd be like, look, this is how I slept last night. This is how I can attack the day and there's no better feeling in the entire world better than actually getting a bunch of sleep. But yesterday I reached peak sleep performance and they were like the note on my whoop when I woke up was like, you are ready to have a peak performing day. And I was like, fuck. Yeah, I am whoop. It did feel awesome.

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Yeah. Flipping through channels and the batteries die in the controller. I'm stuck on the guide because of the curfew. I couldn't go out and like get new batteries. I ripped apart like everything in my apartment and so it was just like the little square. In the corner is what I could watch. Everything else was stuck on the guide. So you're watching on like the R Kelly TV.

You had no other batteries in your house? No. Bubba, that's why you have to have a remote control that you don't know what it does specifically so you can break into that one and put it in the other one. And what's even worse is when they died I took them out of the other Xbox controller like a week before. Oh. So that's a classic move.

I knew I had time that like I could have gotten them. You rub it together? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. You can sit on them sometimes. You can usually get like at least one last you know five minutes. Fuck. So was the square bigger or smaller than your laptop?

I don't know. Probably should just watch on your laptop then. Yeah. Shit. No I did. That's brutal. That is brutal. Good firefest.

Billy. How long do you think you can go without replacing the batteries? I already did. I bought like a 20 pack so it wouldn't happen again. Billy. That's why PS4 a chargeable remote. So my firefest was pronouncing words. Yep.

Sure was. Like which words? Like words that I read all the time but I don't say that much. You're doing a great job filling in for Hank. Yeah. But I know how they're spelt. Now Billy did you get this firefest from Twitter because you did tweet someone give me a firefest real quick.

Well the whole concept of firefest I was thinking about because you guys bounce around with it but then once Bubba said it now I kind of got a better grasp of it. Did you also not want to pick your firefest? I'm not convinced Billy listened to part of the test. No he's never listened. I don't think he had any idea what firefest was. No. He's never listened to a single episode.

Billy did you not want to do your firefest of last night you tried to tweet out hey everyone drop your tape for your senior year and we'll help you get recruited and then you got summarily trolled by the entire internet. Okay. I mean a lot of guys aren't going to play their senior year because of what's happening so I was like okay let's like I was once a high school kid trying to get recruited. It's hard. Way back in the day.

So wise. Yeah. So I was like might as well just like provide some exposure for some guys that are like. How many college football coaches do you think follow you on Twitter. A lot of like Juco and D3 like coaches is actually it's awesome it's kind of dope. So you're you were signal boosting you're like hey let's get the word out there and then everyone I saw there were some funny replies I saw some just random clips. Yeah.

Rudy Hoosiers. Yeah. People are just random things trying to help your heart was in the right place Billy. That's what's important. But yeah you did get trolled and yes you mispronounced John Bond Jones. So I think we're just gonna have to call him John Bond Jones from now on. Yeah. I mean it's kind of cooler.

Yeah. Yeah. Bones is a little too. Yeah. John Bond. Yeah. Rock it out. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. My fire first of the week. Rock out with your cock out. Right. Is I said so I went on another podcast yesterday. I went on Erica's podcast and I said that I was bored a couple weeks ago because there was nothing to do so I went on just anyone who would invite me on their podcast.

I did that for like a week and now I've got people starting podcasts and I'm getting it. I'm getting podcasts. No. Fucking popular. I'm getting podcast interview requests left and right. So here's what I'm gonna do. This week I will do one pot one random podcast per day.

Starting on Monday. What. Sick brag. I'll do one random podcast a day starting on Monday. Okay. And but the the criteria is it has to have between one and 200 followers on Twitter. So it can't be like a brand new podcast. More random the better.

Yeah. The more random the better. I don't want to. I don't want to go into the words podcast. But besides that it's just I want to be I want to go on the randomest podcast and they need to be a small audience but not small enough that they're just starting like one that's maybe been around put out five or six episodes. You've forgotten about it.

Right in that sweet spot. I will do one a day. I'll do five podcasts and then I'm done. Then I'm done. Okay. Okay. There it is. How is that a fire fest?

My fire fest is people were asking you to you're so popular that people are asking you to come on. My fire fest is I don't I don't like turning people down to do stuff like that. Got it. Got it. So I'm getting it all out of my system. Got it. Got it.

But you are going to be turning a bunch of people down. I'm going to. No we're going to focus on the five that I will be doing. But you're going to be turning. We're going to focus on the five that I will be doing anyone anyone who tpft turns down I will not go on your podcast but I will read your podcast name. Those aggrieved. Okay.

We'll do a whole section where I say these are the podcasts that pft just completely ignored. I'm not ignoring them. But I want I do want them to be weird. I want them to be gardening. Shit. I have no idea. You think.

There might be. I hope so. Okay. If you ever get that will take in first consideration. Gardening. If you have a gardening podcast. I like that. I like that.

Gardening. Maybe. Let's think. What's the. Aviation. Yeah. Maybe like a like someone who's big into like bugs. Yeah.

I'll go on a bug podcast. A bug podcast. If you marsupials just any animal. If you're the more specific the better someone please I guarantee you someone has like can we make one exception. Can I get one exception. Can I pick one that might be like bigger. Do you have one in mind.

No. But I'm hoping that this exists like someone's rewatching like friends or something. I would look. Can I get one that I get to help decide. Yeah. You can decide one of them. If anyone has a true friends rewatchable but it has to have already started so I'll know.

We'll know. But I want to get to have to start watching friends. The only thing I know about friends is Pivot they say Pivot we're on a break and then that's sick fuck how you sick fuck you was on it for a while. So someone someone who has a real friends rewatchable podcast PFT will go on that fucking dog to the ceramic dog. I love it. The idea to watch like a season of friends.

Yeah. You know what here's the new rule. I will do five podcasts next week they all have to be weird topics and they all have to be things that I have no idea whatsoever about like completely lost. Okay. I like it. I like it. All right.

My firefest is simple. I wrote down the wrong website that Eric Roth told us has like all the horse racing secrets and I found a website that sounded like what I wrote down and then I've lost every single bet since I thought you want to pick five when day today but that wasn't from that website. Okay. That was the only one that I've won. That was from no that's from my friend Anthony.

So that was totally different. So he has Eric Roth has a guy and I've lost every bet because of I had a wrong guy. The guy I thought he said is not the guy. He spelled the word horse different. I wrote it down. Okay. I don't know what the fuck he said. That's how how do you know it's the wrong guy then because then his son DM me was like

hey check that this is what my dad was talking about and I was like fuck and you're what I've been playing. You were getting scoops. It's like the people that that own like form hub.com. Yeah. Catching all the strays from bad that fat fingers. Yeah. Whatever.

All right. Let's get to our interviews. We got Dana White. What do you got. We got every do mine. No. I lost the war with the trash pandas. I moved.

What do you mean they moved. Well I moved. Oh. So I got to the bunker. I retreated. I moved out. But yeah. I thought you already took care of them.

No. But they were still a lot more. Where's the bunker gonna be. The bunkers. The barn. Berserker barn. Are you going to build it. I'm building it out right now.

Okay. Cool. So we get to watch that again. How hot is it in the barn. It's almost as hot as it is in here. It's hot. How do you guys do this. It's really hot.

We're athletes. Yeah. It's a sauna. I'm sweating it out right now. I do feel better though. After I get done with the show. I feel like I had to work. Endorphins.

Yeah. For sure. Sweet. Hot yoga. It's hot. All right. P.F. Do you got a quick ad before we get to Dana White.

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Tell us on this and also can you tell me how the best way to order it because every time I try to order a UFC now with you guys not letting me do the just simple like pay per view button, it drives me nuts. I do order them, but it drives me nuts. Okay. Yeah. Do you have, you have ESPN plus? Yes.

Yeah. I mean, you click on it and usually it tells you where to go. It says that it's live and but can you, can you bring back the old pay per view button where you just go and go and buy it on the, I buy it on plus and then it sounds so old and then I have to watch it. I was just going to say how fucking old it is. How do I get the plus from my phone to my TV? Give me the button where I could be like, oh, I just got to go to the thousands and

it's like playboy channel, playboy channel, pay per view. What are you, 64 years old? Just make up a channel. Just tell me his channel 1522 and then that'll just make me feel better. I actually do. So my problem initially was I had ESPN plus on my phone, but then I had to get on my TV, but I have gotten to figure it out. But I just want the, there's something that was satisfying about like, you know, like

the Tyson era. You're like, all right, click, buy, you know, get ready, buy it a day in advance, just in case. Just bring that back. Yeah. No, I, listen, it's like anything else is technology gets better. It gets worse. Right.

Yeah. Makes everything more difficult. You see, I just built the house and, you know, they put, I told them, I told these guys when they built my house, don't put crazy new shit in here that I can't use. You know what I mean? So then, you know, the whole radio system, my, my, my clickers for my TV are all set up on wifi. So if the wifi goes down, I can't change the channel, turn it up, turn it off, turn it

on. Believe me, I, I got, I got this bullshit going on at my house all the time. Yeah. I love it though. I love how everybody, including like ourselves, as you get older, you start to realize that you will become your parents and you'll start complaining about like new fangled buttons that you don't know how to press. Yes.

But the bottom line is keep it simple. Keep it simple. You know what I mean? Just give me a remote that works and I can turn the TV off and on. Yes. Yes. So all right. So UFC 250, uh, sell us on this.

Again, I'm going to buy it anyway, but sell the fans that might not, besides the fact that you tell you, we did tell you there's nothing else on, there's nothing else to do. So by the UFC, thank you for keeping sports alive. How do you feel a little accomplished when like the world is falling apart and in those first couple, uh, fights you had and everyone was like, Oh my God, thank God, sports because we're just ravenous for anything. Did you feel like, yeah, I did this. I put like Scarface, like I put this thing together.

I'm, I'm the same way, but I, I mean, I, I watched the entire golf game with Brady and Mickelson and, you know what I mean, a tiger and manning, uh, you know, it takes Tom Brady to get me to watch golf, but, uh, yeah, I watched the whole game because I haven't seen anything, you know, exciting or, or, uh, competitive in months. But on Saturday night, we got the goat, the greatest of all time, Amanda Nunez versus Felicia Spencer. And you know, Nunez is so fun to watch. She is, uh, you know, without a doubt the greatest ever do it, not just all the names

of the who's who that she beat, but how she beats them. This is a woman, most people, if they complain about the women, they're like, Oh, the women don't have that one punch knockout power. She has the one punch knockout power. She knocks people out or she, she submits you, but she is always going for a finish. And, uh, Felicia Spencer is the new up and coming, you know, uh, Amanda Nunez has looked at as the goat. She's in one of these places now where people are starting to think, Oh, this isn't even

a challenge for her. You know, she's going to walk right through this girl. Everybody in this sport can lose on any given night because there's so many ways to win and so many ways to lose. And when you're at Amanda Nunez's status, everybody is training just to beat you. They're, they're watching all your film, they're looking for the holes in your game and they're training to beat you. Um, the co-main event is Cody Garbrant versus Hapiala Sanciao, uh, Aldermaine Sterling versus

Corey Sandhagen. These are very important band and weight fights to see who's in line next to fight for the title. The first fight of the night on the main card, Sean O'Malley versus Eddie Wyland, Sean O'Malley is this exciting, fun kid who's on his way up right now. And this is without a doubt the toughest test of his career. The main event on, on, on the ESPN prelims before it goes to pay for view, Chase Hooper and Alex Calis, uh, uh, Kasaris.

This is a incredible fight. Hooper is undefeated and Alex is a kid that's been around for a long time, uh, our matchmakers love this kid, Chase Hooper. He is incredible on the ground. This kid's a wizard. He takes a beating and then ends up pulling off some unbelievable submission. And that's the main event on ESPN to what, what happened in Chase Hooper's life that made him be an MMA fighter and not an SEC quarterback like that is the backup quarterback for Auburn.

Like here comes Chase Hooper to save their season. Yeah. No, this kid is, uh, it is hilarious. Um, after his first win here in the UFC, we're here in Vegas, they asked him, well, you know, you just won your first fight in the UFC. Uh, what, what are you going to do right now? He said, I'm going to go to the MMM factory across the street after the fight's over. What a party animal.

He's 20 years old. He's 20 years old. That's, that's crazy. Yeah. Um, yeah, that's, that's about all you could do in Vegas if you're 20 years old. That's true. And then back to, uh, UFC 248, I'm going to, I don't know how to say her last name correctly, but it was the Joanna Jang fight, the best foot, one of the best fights that I've ever

seen in my entire life. And she had, by the end of it, she had that, that forehead contusion where she looked, I think people were saying it was like the Mars attacks alien head that was going on. After a fight like that is over, I imagine that your adrenaline is pretty high, but then looking back on it, are you like, man, maybe I should have had a word with the referee about stopping it. Like, does that, do you ever talk to a referee after a fight and kind of second guess their decision?

No. So what happens with those contusions is blood vessels break, hers were in the forehead, which is crazy. Usually it happens around the eyes and, uh, her whole forehead, so basically blood leaking out into the skin and giving you the, the contusion, the Vegas doctors are the best. They know what's dangerous and what's not dangerous and, and then, you know, they felt that she was okay to continue and she was okay after the fight other than, uh, like you said, looking like an alien.

But I agree with you, two of the baddest women in the world in an incredible war and, uh, such a fun fight. Yeah. When you have a fight and maybe the fight card doesn't deliver the same way that you expected it to, how, how, how much does it hurt? Like I would imagine you're a guy who takes it personally and I obviously have no, I'm not nowhere near, uh, your level when we have our, our rough and rowdy third, like different by a billion.

But when we have a bad fight night, when we have a bad card, it sucks and it's, everyone gets pissed. So what do you do when you get, when you have a bad card or it doesn't deliver, there's not knockouts, what, what is it like in Dana White's office the next day or that night? I'm going to tell you where I've been incredibly lucky and, uh, what has made this sport go like this is that I always say, I'm the bells and whistles guy. I put, I tell you why the fights are good, how they're going to look. We put the fights together that we know, um, should be, uh, you know, fun fights with the

best in the world. And once that cage door closes, everything is out of my hands. It's up to the fighters and these kids always deliver, man. They do. I seriously, in 20 years, I can count on one hand how many shows have sucked. You know what I mean? Well, you've walked out and said that show sucked in 20 years and you know, what am I at?

Like, uh, over 200 fights, 220 fights on pay-per-view, not including all the other fights talking hundreds of fights. So, um, been very lucky with that. But yes, when you walk out of the show that just sucked, it's just such a downer for everybody, man. And you know, you're bummed out and, uh, it's not a good feeling for anybody. Yeah. What's your memory?

If I were to just like bring up a UFC number to you and say like, UFC, uh, 197, could you tell me who the main event was? No clue. Well, UFC before when Butterbean knocked someone out, what's that? When Butterbean fought, Butterbean never fought the UFC. Fuck. Come on. Yes, he did.

Are there any knowledge is unreal, my, my, you should get him to fight the UFC Butterbean when he knocked people out. You should get him in the, he's still around. Yeah. No, Butterbean used to, used to, it would be crazy because you would look at Butterbean and you'd see him fighting this guy who had some great physique and looked like he was going to kill Butterbean and Butterbean would knock him out. That guy definitely had real power.

That right hand, if he caught you with the right hand, it was lights out for sure. Um, okay. He did fight in MMA. He just didn't fight in the UFC. So it wasn't so wrong. So why didn't you offer Butterbean a contract to fight in the UFC? Is that your biggest regret? No regrets.

Zero? None? Zero. No, none. Zero. What about the Ed Hardy shirts? Hmm. What about what?

What about the, what about the Ed Hardy shirts? Yeah. Dan Hardy. The Ed Hardy shirts. Oh, you know what? Oh, Ed Hardy shirts. No. Affliction.

It's crazy. It's crazy that you just said this because we were talking literally like two hours ago in my office about, you know, the clothing that we all used to wear in the UFC and like 06, 7. And yes, I want to punch myself in the face when I see that. One regret. That's the one regret from Dana White. That's a big one.

As, uh, as sports are coming back, is there, can you just tell me that fight Island is still going to happen? Yes. Fight Island is real and it's happening. The date of fight Island is going to be July 11th, Saturday, July 11th will be the first fight on Fight Island. Now, do we know where the island is located? I do.

Yeah. Nobody else knows though. Can you tell us? I'll tell you next week. What? Next week, I'm going to have some images and a lot of other things. Let us ask you two questions. Is it in an ocean?

Yes. Is it in the Pacific Ocean? I'm not, I'm not saying. So yes. That sounds like you would have said no. Yeah. Pacific Ocean off the coast of, uh, the Catalina. Is it like a lesser Catalina?

Oh, yeah. It's like a, like one of those islands that are just inhabited by seals or did you get all the seals off? Can you comment on the rumors that you got the Chinese government to build you one of their fake islands just so you could stage a fight on it? Interesting. You know, the funny thing is, is that this thing has definitely taken a life of its own. And one of my biggest fears was, you know, the, uh, the fantasy of Fight Island may eclipse

the reality of Fight Island. So, uh, the pressure is on. Shit. I don't know. Way to undersell it. I don't know where the fuck Fight Island Billy or Billy football says that it's in the South China Sea. Oh, interesting.

Is it that big floating trash heap that's like in the middle of the Pacific that would be on plastic bottles that and you're now you're a real hero. Yeah. Shit. Is there a, um, a small part of you that doesn't want other sports to come back so you can continue to be the only game? No, man. Listen, I'm a fan of a, I'm a fan of the paper.

Patriots and I'm a fan of the Celtics and, uh, you know, I love going, I go, I go to quite a few Celtics games a year and I try to catch a couple of Patriots games, but I watch them all on TV. I'm a sports fan too. And you know what I really want to come back to is concerts. Yeah. I'm a big concert fan. Man.

I was ready for rage against the machine. I was going to do two dates of the rage tour and, uh, you know, those guys having toured in 10 years. Yeah. That's a big bummer. Fight Island. Fight Island. Fight Island though.

Like to me, you're right. It is a big fantasy of mine. I feel like it's like a karate kid movie or a, uh, no, it's like Mortal Kombat is what it is. I just want to picture it like that. That's exactly. So people have this, this idea that when you walk out, like when you come out of the tunnel, you're going to be walking down with lit tiki torches and the octagon is going to be in

the middle of the, of the jungle and I'm going to be sitting in some big throne, watching the fights. I mean, that's, that's the, that's what you just described was awesome. Are you not hearing yourself talk like, I want you wearing like a crown or a safari style like Pith helmet in the middle of a jungle, maybe get a band with like flames coming out of the guitars. Like it's Mad Max Fury Road, just lined up playing heavy metal music. This is Fight Island.

That is the allure of Fight Island. How the fuck have you kept Fight Island like a secret where it is? How is that possible? But this is the problem. This is the problem with Fight Island is that the whole thing has ever, it's taken on a life of its own and everybody has this imagination like he does that this is what Fight Island is going to be. Is Fight Island controlled by the United States government?

You're renting it, not buying it. We know that. Huh. Yes. No, yes. We're rent. We're not. I didn't buy the island.

We didn't buy an island. Okay. Interesting. Do you need a passport for Fight Island? Yeah. Okay. Do you need anything with Hawaii? Allowed to go to Fight Island.

Is Jones? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. You know, obviously you guys know Jones and I are in a bit of a beef right now, but it's not the, it's not the first time and it won't be the last.

So we'll see what happens. Do you think, do you expect him to ever fight again in the UFC? Yeah. Listen, at the end of the day, John's one of the best, if not the best to ever do it. And you know, listen, does he have the money to retire? Yes. Do I think he will? I don't.

But who knows? Anything's possible. Did you see him taking spray cans from looters and maybe be like, you know what, let's put that on the positive side of, of, of John. Yeah. Maybe we'll bring that back. I love that. You know, and, you know, John's been through a lot in the last 10 years, but yeah, no,

it was cool to see him out there doing that. What about Connor? So Connor obviously had his warmup fight this year, which seems like it was forever ago. Was it this year? Yeah. Right? Hey, fun January. Jesus Christ.

That feels like 10 years ago. Doesn't it? Yeah. So what's the plan for Connor and these companies, he's going to get, he's going to get a title fight next. Like, how's it going to work? Yeah. So, so what I think Connor should do is wait for this gaichi Habib fight and fight the

winner of that. That's what really makes the most sense for a guy of. Connor's caliber. He's going to get killed. There you go. So he did. He doesn't feel that way and he wants that fight again. Okay.

What about Connor vs. Anderson Silva? What's that? Billy football wants to know what about Connor vs. Anderson Silva. So you know, Connor McGregor, when he fights it, he fought the fight at 170, he didn't even weigh 170. He was under 170. Anderson Silva fights at 185 pounds, right? He walks around at 210, 215.

Jesus Christ. Yeah. There's just, that fight makes no sense. Anderson Silva, I don't even think he's ranked right now in that division. Is he? No, he's not ranked in that division and he's like 44 years old. I mean, that fight makes no sense. So Billy football, bad job by Billy football is what you're saying.

Billy was saying meet at 175. Billy football has done a bad job. He would fire him if he was working for you, right? Yeah. If who was, if who was doing it? Billy football is our intern. He's sitting behind the camera right now. He's the one who wants to make that fight.

He wants to make it at 175. You can just fire him right now. Tell him he's doing a terrible job. Fire. Fire. You're fired. You're fired. You're fired.

I can't read. Billy's holding up an iPhone 10 feet from me that I can't read. I can't read that. I have an idea for you, Dana. Have you thought about, you know how whenever there is a pay per view, there will be some illegal streams. I'm sure you guys are very good at shutting them all down. I know you are because it seems like they just don't exist the same way, but there's

always that one guy who pops on Periscope and you can watch like half of his foot and his, you know, grody apartment and watch the fight. You should remake that and then after a fight hop into the screen and be like, fuck you, motherfuckers, buy the pay per view. Think about that. I'll consider that. Okay. That's actually a good idea though.

It is a lot of viral. Yeah. FBI is coming for your ass. So you know what's funny is we actually have a group that during a fight they're knocking down all these different streams, right? We also have ways that we can figure out who's stealing it for free. And we go out and we catch these guys. Yes.

Now, when you talk, when you talk to these guys on your phone, they're a bunch of fucking tough guys. Okay. When we actually bust these guys, they call me crying, asking me to, to, to please don't do this to them. I'm going to ruin their life and all this shit and uh, the totally different fucking story because they don't think that they can be caught. But then when we catch them, they're the biggest fucking pussies on planet earth.

Okay. So here it is. Dana, you're a marketing guy. I'm a marketing guy. I'm a marketing guys talking here. This is a two birds with one stone situation. You catch the guys instead of prosecuting. We bring back John Bones Jones into the UFC.

And if you illegally steal a fight card, you have to face him in the, uh, in the octagon for a round. People would buy that. We love that. Yes. I love that idea. Let's go. People would buy it.

I would buy to see one. I love that. Shlub gets smoked every single. Yeah. You can just have it be like, Hey, all right. We're going to fight. And it's just one random fight of some dude that, that, uh, periscoped, uh, a UFC and he just gets his ass kicked.

He taps out in like 10 seconds and we just run through them. That's a card in itself. Yeah. What I would do too is, uh, you, when you come back, you have to fight Francis and Ganyo and Derek Lewis and nobody's going to stream that. No one's going to illegally hijack that stream either. That would be incredible. Yeah.

You would never do it again. I wish we lived in that world. That would be perfect. I'm down for that. The first time that you saw a style bender fight, were you thinking like, is this guy, is he animated? Is this like tech in 17? Yeah.

The thing that I was curious about with him was, um, when he faced a good wrestler, what was going to happen to him, would he be able to defend the take down and do things? It's unbelievable how fast that guy got his take down defense filed in and, uh, you know, what an incredible mixed martial artist he'd become in such a short amount of time. Yeah. I'm watching my, I'm about to win a pick five finally at Churchill Downs, maybe, maybe. Are you, uh, are you going out to the casinos in Vegas now that they're open? Let's go.

Tonight. I'm going tonight. Which one? Penn National, I assume. Which hotel am I going to tonight? You're going to a Penn National, right? Oh, Penn National. Yeah.

No, I'm, I'm going to play tonight at Caesar. No. We'll bleep that out. We'll bleep that out. You're going to do a Penn National gaming is, uh, oh, is that the sponsor? Yeah. I'm playing. Yeah.

Player, player. It's not a sponsor. They bought us. They're bosses. I'm running throughout the season's palace on you guys. Sorry about that. That's okay. I'm a huge Bellator fan.

So it's not a big deal. Hey, where the hell is Penn National casino? Worldwide. Yeah. And then we have, um, the resort, the M resort, uh, off the strip. Oh, the M is one. Yeah. You love that place.

Yeah. I do. No. The M is really nice. Yeah. Very nice place. Um, okay. I did not know that.

Yeah. That's the very nice place. Did you, was there anything that you, uh, that you learned that was unexpected about hosting these fights, given all the restrictions of how far away people have to be all the testing? Is there anything that you took from your first experiences with that that you've implemented to either make the fight safer or changing to make them, uh, be streamlined a little bit?

Yeah. You know, it's like anything else. My team is so badass and so good, um, you know, we, we pull off the best events in all of combat sports history, um, back of house and what you see on TV and live in the arena. Yeah. Um, the thing is once you get repetition and you start to get better and people, you know, we'll just get better and better and better at this and, uh, you know, when you come to one of our events, it's the safest place you could be.

Everybody there has tested multiple times, you know, every protocol is followed. Um, you know, you couldn't be in a safer place than at one of our fights. My last question, UFC 250 buy it Saturday night. It is the only game in town. Sports are back. Dana White has made sure sports state, uh, in, in your TV. So UFC 250, you got to buy it. My last question is, uh, were you at any moment, like during this entire pandemic and maybe

some backlash that you received, were you ever deterred because I, I don't know anyone else out there who really doesn't listen to like the court of public opinion. Like you, you just kind of ignore it. How, how do you do that? 20 years, I've been, I've been listening to this bullshit for 20 years. So, uh, you know, I was getting fucking hammered by the media through this thing. Um, but listen to me when you, when, when you look at, when somebody writes something and it's super negative or they shouldn't be doing this and shouldn't be doing that.

I looked these people up. Okay. I go online and I look at them. If you ever look at some of these fucking reporters, I go look at this fucking dork. Okay. Of course this is what this guy is fucking saying. They are, if you load it up a bus of all the wimpiest people on fucking planet earth. Okay.

And you put them all in a room together. The media are wimps amongst wimps. Okay. Wimps will be slapping fucking those guys around. So it is exactly what I expect them to say. Their opinion means nothing to me. Since when do we let the fucking media decide what we're going to do or not do? You know what I mean?

Um, so, so their opinion really means nothing to me. And at the end of the day, what my job is, A, to take care of my employees, B, to make sure that the fighters continue to make a living and keep working and C, to make this company money. That is my job. That's what I do. And that's all I care about. So did you ever think though, cause I, the media, I, I can see what you're

saying there, but in terms of like public health officials, did you ever think, Hey, maybe I should listen to these people or how did, how did that all break down where you were, uh, like, Hey, let's go full steam ahead. We can do this and we can do it safely. When you look at this thing with common sense and there was a great piece that was done by your guy, Dave, um, you know, one, one of the preeminent doctors in the world, but nobody, but he, but what he said was absolutely right and it's common sense, flatten the curve, flatten the curve, flatten the curve is what we were

hearing, right? So everybody went in, I did all the right things too. I did what I was told, you know, I took my family and we stayed home and we, you know, we did what we were told, but the truth of the batter is. There was no, no end in sight that when they would, they would draw the line and say, we're going to do this for 30 days. Then they would say, we're going to do it for another 15 days. We're going to do it and it keeps dragging on.

Well, first of all, there's an answer and a solution to everything. And the, and the answer is never let's just hide from this thing until the government tells us, you know, we can come out. There's a solution and health and safety is something that we worry about every single weekend, not, not just since the Corona virus popped up. And I know that we have the best team, the best staff, the best doctors, access to the best, you know, and sharpest minds in the medical field. And we figured this thing out and we knew we could do it.

So then it was just a matter of getting it done. And let me tell you what, when I tell you that these fucking dorks from the media, right, it's not just like, oh, let's write a shitty story and say that these guys are bad guys for trying to go during the COVID-19 thing. They're literally making phone calls to the athletic commissions, the venues that, you know, and doing all this stuff to try to make it stop, you know, um, just the fucking disgusting anyway. When you say wimpy members of the media, you know what the bottom line is?

You know what the bottom line is? I fucking won. When you say wimpy me members of the media, I want to clarify, you're not talking about Robbie Fox. No, he's one of the toughest, most durable guys out there in the media. Yes, agreed. I love Robbie. Yes, yes, I love them too.

I actually really do like, I know he calls you Uncle Dana, listen, not talking about all the media guys, there are media guys out there that I like. Yeah, I think what, what the root of not the strongest guys in the world, but still, yeah, there's a better fair, right? I think what the root of, you know, what started a lot of this was people were legitimately concerned about a public health issue. So they, I think some people just want to make sure that now is the right time to be doing it, that you are talking with the appropriate health officials that

are making sure that it's safe and that like hosting a fight is not going to spread the virus and cause any damage. I think that that, that's a legitimate concern. Um, but it seems like, I don't know, do you have like a public health person that you've been talking to about all this, like taking their advice? Look at this guy walking right into the middle of my, uh, look at this. So, uh, yes, first of all, first and foremost, if you talk to any of my employees, okay, any of my employees ever, I care about my employees.

I would never do anything to hurt my employees. I'm not trying to go out and die and bring this shit home and hurt any of my family. I don't want to see any fighters get hurt, you know, in a fight or any other way. Um, so yeah, this, this, this wasn't a thing about, oh, the media was concerned about the health and safety of get the fuck out of here. Not even remotely fucking close. These guys are dirty little weasels. And what they wanted to do was stop this fucking event because they felt it

shouldn't happen or their fucking egos wanted to prove that they could stop this thing that they, you know, I write for the fucking New York times. This fucking dork him and all the other fucking dorks were so upset when this fucking fight went off, that dork went fucking crazy. Cause now all this guy wants to do is write about the UFC, this New York times fucking dork. Look, that guy, I want to clarify, Dana, I think the, I think their media should be trusted to a point and it's also very important, but the way you

say fucking dork, it's hilarious. I want to clarify. Do you not like, what's your opinion on the media? Dork. What's your, if you were to use one word, two words to describe media, what would it be, Dana? Um, yeah, most of them are fucking dorks. Okay.

And the absolute wimpiest of the whips, but you also, you understand too, that, uh, if anything did go wrong, you'd have to own it and it'd be a pretty black eye on everything that you, I'm right here. Yeah, I'm right here. Yeah, I'm right here. There's no doubt about, listen. When you go, when you, when you go like guy went, right? It just, if you look at what we've built over the last 20 years, I'm not

going to run out there and, and, and, and, and kick myself in the head and, and do something that I don't think that I can pull off, fail miserably in front of the whole world. And, and then what? I knew we could pull it off. I, and there were people that were willing to do it with us and try to make this thing work. And, uh, instead of saying, Hey, you know, we think this is, you know,

probably a little too soon to go with, which, what the fuck do they know? Anyway, what their, their doctors, their, the, the fucking dork from the New York times is the guy that gets to determine whether it's time to go or not. Get the fuck out of here. Well, the fuck out of here. That's such a crock of shit. Uh, one last question for me. Have you already worked out arrangements with whether it be the Coast Guard or,

uh, the local government of San Antonio or excuse me, San Diego to arrange the ships that will be leaving from the port of San Tone or San Diego to get them out to the islands off the coast of California. No, there won't be any ships from San Diego, the fantasy island. Okay. So it's not fantasy island now. Oh, that's, I thought that's what you called it. I thought you called the fantasy island.

No, are you, are you going to call it fantasy? Is there going to be internet connection is unstable. Is there going to be fucking on fantasy island? You should turn it into a reality show. Like the entire island should be the ultimate fighter, the ultimate islander. Yeah. Hey, I think you guys need to get into the fight business. You guys got a lot of ideas.

Yes, we are ideas guys. Yes. Um, all right, Dana White. Thank you as always. UFC 250 tune in Saturday night and then be, be ready because fight islands coming. You're going to announce it next week. Uh, July 11th will be the first fight on fight island. Get excited.

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That's simply safe.com slash PMT make sure that they know that our show sent you there. And now Booger McFarland and now for something completely different. Okay, we now welcome on recurring guest and friend of the program. It is Booger McFarland Booger. It's great to talk to you. It's great to have you on. We want to talk about a bunch of stuff, but I think the most, uh, the thing that's at the top of everyone's mind right now is Drew Brees and the state of Louisiana,

your home state, uh, and how this is all kind of played out, uh, in the last couple of days with NFL and Drew Brees. And I guess my first question would be just from like a locker room perspective, you see a bunch of his teammates, uh, speaking out and saying like your tone deaf, do you think that that's going to carry over, uh, to the season? Do you think Drew Brees is going to have trouble, you know, repairing some of those relationships after what was an admittedly very tone deaf comment by him? No, I don't think so.

And, you know, if you look at our society, we will harp on something until the next thing comes up. Just think about coronavirus. I don't think anybody's mentioned the word COVID-19 or Corona in the last week since what happened in Minneapolis. So that's just kind of the nature of our society, but specifically to the locker room, man, you guys know how the locker room is. I mean, you guys got a mini locker room there.

You go in there when the cameras are off, when the phones are off, you talk about a lot of different things, some comfortable, some not, but it's, it's the, it's the sacredness of the, the confines of where you are. When you guys are in your office, in your building, you expect what goes on in there to stay in there. We can have difficult conversations. We can use language that we otherwise would not use outside of it. And by and large, the locker room is a forgiving place.

As a matter of fact, as you and I are talking now, Michael Thomas has already come out and said that he accept Drew Brees' apology. And so all you can do is take him for, take him at his word. I think in the end though, Drew Brees apologized for the backlash. Like he apologized because he pissed off America. I mean, let's face it. Drew Brees never said, I apologize for my stance. He, he basically went to bed last night and couldn't sleep.

He was uncomfortable probably for, uh, one of the few nights in his life. Like he couldn't sleep last night. He tossed and turned. Man, America does not like me. America thinks I'm a racist. America thinks I can do no wrong. They're chatting F Drew Brees in New Orleans. Like his entire world was shaking last night.

And what I would tell Drew Brees, black people have been sleeping like that for a long damn time. Okay. So if he can go to bed one night, uncomfortable and wake up at 7 a.m. He's something they'm apology this morning at 7 a.m. So either he got up at six in New Orleans or four in California. He didn't sleep. Right.

Okay. He was up early to do this. And, um, you know, hopefully he learns it's not going to be as easy as sending an apology, um, because this is the same stance guys that he had in 2016. Yeah. So what changed between 2016 yesterday and today? The only thing that changed was the public outcry.

And for that, I think he's apologizing for. Yeah. I think when, when he got done with that interview, he didn't think he said anything wrong. I think when he was done with that interview, he thought to himself nailed it. I stood up for what I believe in. And this is Drew Brees.

That was a good answer that I gave to it. And I think what a lot of kind of the backlash to even Drew Brees is apologies. There are a lot of people that are misconstruing the situation and saying Drew Brees is apologizing for loving the American flag and for wanting to honor his, his veteran grandparents. That's not what people are mad at Drew Brees for. People aren't mad.

You can believe what you want about the flag. You can believe, uh, you know, you can use it as a symbol in your own life to honor if you have veterans in your family. That's perfectly normal. I think a lot of people do. But what Drew Brees was saying was I'm not, I don't, I'm not here to listen to my teammates that might have opposing views to that. And that's what, that's what he has yet to apologize for.

He just apologized kind of for people saying, uh, that he was a bad guy and he was like, I don't want to offend anybody. So sorry if I offended anybody. But yeah, hopefully, hopefully he did take the time to kind of learn a little bit from it. Um, I want to discuss real quick. Well, actually sticking on this, were you surprised to see his teammates publicly calling them out on social media?

That usually doesn't happen to a guy like, uh, like Drew Brees. Uh, yeah, I was a little surprised, but here's what happens. And when the biggest fish in the room calls them out, Michael Thomas, then it becomes easier for people below him. So Michael Thomas is what like the second and third highest pay player on the team. So once Michael Thomas calls him out, then Cam Jordan times in, then Malcolm Jenkins times in, then it's like open season on Drew Brees at that point. So it just shows you, um, how real the situation is.

And Michael Thomas is a no nonsense guy. Like I've had conversations with him. Like one of the things that makes him, uh, a top three receiver in football is his work ethic, his dedication and just how committed to being who he is that he's, he's become over the years. And when he called him out and man, everybody was like, whoa, when they're locked in, and so flip it over when Michael Thomas accepts his apology today, I think other people in that locker room will kind of fall in line.

And here, here's the, here's the catch in New Orleans. Sean Peyton is one of the best leaders I've ever been allowed. And he's, he's a quarterback whisperer. He's done great things with Drew Brees and it's going to try to do great things with James Winston. But I think one of the more underrated things that he does is relationship mending and relationship building. He'll do a phenomenal job in New Orleans with that.

But those things, um, either fortunately or unfortunately, depending on what side you're on, we're not going to be privy to it because they should, and they will take place behind closed doors. So, so I think this, this past week has been, uh, like what people are finding is they're having uncomfortable conversations. They're feeling uncomfortable, which is a good thing. I saw, I, I tweeted today, just jokingly, like the Drew Brees using the end race, he Googled end racism stock image and he, he picked the picture with a

white guy and a black guy, you know, clasping hands. I actually looked it up and he did. Like it was halfway down the Google image searches. And I made that joke on Twitter and I had a lot of people coming at me and being like, Hey, what, like, what did Drew Brees say that was wrong? And I, I'm in a weird spot where it's like, I can't really explain, you know, the feelings that black America is going through right now. And people probably don't want to hear me explain it.

So from your perspective, when you see something like Drew Brees saying something like that, like what in your mind, can you explain it to some people who don't understand trying to expand their worldview of what exactly, you know, is wrong and what he missed in his initial statement. Well, his statement was not only was it toned up, he just didn't listen. And so like, if you will understand the context, let's go back to 2016. Colin Kaepernick is sitting on the bench, he didn't kneel first. He sat on the bench, he sat down and Nate Boyer, a green beret came to him and

said, Hey, Colin, um, for me, it's disrespectful if you sit down. Colin was like, okay, well, what can I do? He's like, I'd rather you kneel. And so Colin Kaepernick then got off the bench from sitting and he went and knelt down. So that's how the whole kneeling started. Let's make sure we understand that. So he talked to a military guy and the military guy, Nate Boyer told him to kneel.

So now the whole movement went on with Colin Kaepernick in 2016. And we all know how that, how that played out. No need to go through it whole, a whole situation again. Drew Brees felt the same way in 2016. So now you fast forward to yesterday and Drew Brees is on Yahoo Finance. I don't know what they're discussing or whatever. I guess he doesn't, somebody didn't have enough money. So they decided to talk to Drew Brees about finance and all that, whatever.

And, and lo and behold, the conversation comes up about protesting. Well, Drew Brees felt very comfortable based on the reaction of America in 2016 to basically double down and say what he said in 2016 yesterday. Here's the problem with that. Less than two weeks ago, a black man was murdered on national television by the knee of a white cop. There's a, there's nine minutes of video almost of that nine minutes of video, two minutes and 46 seconds of it.

The black man is unconscious after he just got to telling you, I couldn't breathe. So white officer kneeling down, black man, throw dead homicide murder. There we go. So Drew Brees was tone deaf to the situation of America that's happened since then with the riding and, and, and everything with the protesting and all that. So now he goes on Yahoo Finance and he says he reiterates his stance and he personalized it and he makes it selfish and he makes it about the flag.

Well guys, Colin Kaepernick told us, Nate Boyer told us thousands of people said this is not about the flag, but Drew, which is what happens across America, Drew lived in his bubble and his bubble was all about Drew. And for me, it's about my granddaddy and my grandparents. And this is what I feel and it's all about me right now. Well, guess what? That's part of the problem with America right now. That's why we are where we are today because so many people have just tried

to be in their bubble and not look at the oppression of other people, namely black and brown people, and they just focus on themselves. So when you look at what Drew said yesterday, not only did he didn't, not only did he not hear what Kaepernick said four years ago, he didn't hear the cry coming from his own locker room with his teammates and he didn't hear that another unarmed black man was murdered. This time it's changing the country, so to speak. I don't know if you guys agree, but this time seems different.

Like America seems different right now than some of the previous cases. And so when Drew says that and then all hell breaks loose, he's like, well, what did I do wrong in his mind? I guarantee you, he's saying, what did I do wrong? Because I just said the same thing four years ago. So if you're out there and you're part of white America and you don't understand what he said, let me break it down and be real concise. You can have an issue with how someone protests and you may not do it the same

way, but you have to respect that we live in a country that allows peaceful protests. And if, if Colin Kaepernick wanted to protest on a knee, this country says he has the right to, you cannot tell him, I, I hear you, excuse me, I see you, but I'm not going to listen to your message until you do it the way I want you to do. And Drew Brees is basically telling us, I don't want you to kneel down. If you kneel down, I can't like, that's disrespectful to me. And so it's kind of along those same lines. His apology today basically said, I stand with you, I'm there for you, I'm

against racism, but what it never said was, you know what? I am far protesting the way that you want to protest and never said that because he still believes what he believed yesterday, which is why you kind of take the apology and you're like, okay, I hear you, but I really don't. And I, I, I think that's where people are getting hung up where they're saying, well, if Colin Kaepernick can kneel, Drew Brees can say that, uh, you know, he, it's his right to say, I don't want to kneel. It is his right to say he doesn't want to kneel. But what he said was Colin Kaepernick or people

kneeling is disrespectful to the flag. And that's kind of the, that's where it gets all cloudy. Cause if Drew Brees had said yesterday, I understand the, you know, people who are kneeling and I understand, and that's their right. I personally am not going to kneel. That's a totally different, that's a totally different statement. I think that's where people are getting a little confused. And the other thing I just want to throw out there is we live, everything gets, uh, you know, boiled down to, to very like, this is exactly what it is. It's black and white every single time. No one is

saying Drew Brees is a bad guy. He has done great things. He has done great things for the community of New Orleans. He's done great things for the state of Louisiana. He was, he was tone deaf and he was wrong here for not listening, but that's people are then, you know, they'll take it and be like, Oh, we're canceling Drew Brees. All the work he's done. No, that's the opposite. He actually is a great guy and he's clearly shown that he wants to help other people, but he also should listen. Yeah. He needs to do a better job of listening. I think what you're seeing as well as that, uh, looking back at

2016 through the lens of today, there are a lot of people who, you know, they're saying like, Hey, I'm on board for the cause. I'll, I understand that there's a problem with racism in America and with law enforcement dealing with black people. Uh, but, you know, you don't need to ride in a violent way. You're hearing a lot of people say that you're seeing some of those same people look back at 2016 and they're thinking in the back of their heads. Damn, you know what? Taking a knee during the national anthem peacefully looks pretty good right now. I probably shouldn't have just ignored the peaceful

protest because I wish that's what was going on at this time, but we didn't listen. Most of America didn't listen then. And so I think when you see Drew Brees, he just is kind of skipping that step and not realizing that now is the time if you haven't listened before, now is the time that you need to listen to what your teammates are telling you and what, you know, your coworkers are telling you what your community is telling you. And you know, I think Drew will do that. Um, you know, Drew is that, man, listen, Drew, you know, me being from Louisiana, I've seen up close and personal what Drew has done down there

and it's been phenomenal. Um, but I'm kind of glad this happened. You know, you know, Drew's done a lot of great stuff. He's been phenomenal, but it kind of leads to the bigger issue and Drew Brees is just the name that we're focused on right now, but you could put any prominent white American that has given a lot of money, uh, that has, um, supported a lot of great causes, but inside them, they still feel a certain way about issues in the African American community. So no matter how much money you throw at something, it doesn't change who you are. No matter how much money or how many good

causes you support, it doesn't change who you are. Sometimes we look at the money and we follow the money because by and large, the person that's running the country right now, all he talks about is money. So I guess that's what like we all follow the money, the economic status, the economy has never been better. And so money becomes the bigger issue. And if I can throw any amount of money that, that matters at a cause, you know, people are going to people are going to celebrate it. People are going to, um, elevate my name. And it's not necessarily always about the money. Colin Cabinet didn't ask

anybody for any money initially. All he said was, Hey, people, let's pay attention to police brutality. Let's pay attention to it. If we'll pay attention to it. I mean, guys, think about this. I don't think there's a direct correlation, but if we pay it, if the same intensity that we had in 20s in 2020 was had back in 2016, George Floyd may still be alive. We don't know that. Okay. He may still be alive. And so when we, when we hear somebody cry for a particular sector of, of our country or particular community, whether it's black people coming to white people, whether it's

white people coming to black people and saying, Hey, we need help. It's our job as Americans to listen. Okay. The foundation of this country says liberty and justice for all. It doesn't say liberty and justice for black people. Doesn't say liberty and justice for, uh, white people doesn't say for Mexicans. It says for all. That's what this country's built on. So we still have a long way to go to include the all. Hopefully Drew Brees lending his name based on the, the statement of the ignorant statement he made will allow him to learn and will allow us to learn as a country and go forward

with this. Um, all right. So I mean, what you just said is, is spot on and perfect because I think people are just like I said, having uncomfortable conversations this past week, which is a good thing. And it's the, we, when we talked to Aaron Foster on Monday, he said, small victories matter and small wins matter. And just the reaction that people had to Drew Brees versus four years ago, that's a small victory that people are more aware of this. Um, I shifting a little bit topics from one difficult topic to probably another, I wanted to know, uh, you have helped, you have done a great job of being a

consummate professional, but how has it been the last few months watching your job basically openly shopped online every single day? Well, when you're in big boy business, what I call it, you know, when you're in, when you're in jobs that are high profile jobs, high salary jobs, uh, it comes with the territory rumors. Uh, when I was in the NFL, okay, I was the first round pick. I want to say about three or four years later, they drafted another guy in the first round. So different type rumors, but you hear the same thing. Man, did they draft him to replace you? Uh, how are you going to

handle them having a first round pick in your room or whatever? So I've become accustomed to dealing with that for years. Um, you know, ESPN and I came to a decision a while back, uh, way before it was reported. So the overlap or the timetable wasn't as great as a lot of people think, but they decided to move on in a different direction. So I accepted and I moved on. I've been seeing Booger for life. I loved you in the booth and I was hoping that they were going to bring you back next year. Um, I'm also, I want to give you this opportunity to dispel some nasty internet rumors out there about

you about that Booger McFarlane has a miscalibrated Peloton bike and he's stats. And that's why he's always on the top of the leaderboard. Cause you see it. I see people talking about it. I'm asking questions too. Well, listen, um, first of all, I got my bike July the sixth. I think it was my first ride last year. The guy from Peloton came in my house. He calibrated the bike. He set it up. He said, Hey, a year from now. Um, what I would do is I would, uh, call Peloton, have somebody come back out because I guess the, the warranty ends of the year. So right before a year, have somebody come back

out, do this again. Uh, but your bike should be good to go. And so I've gotten the bike and I've ridden the bike and I started at the bottom. Okay. And I work my way up. So to your point about my bike and my numbers being false, I've kicked your ass a number of times from starting at day one. Okay. And that hadn't changed. As a matter of fact, I felt bad for you that I've tried to give you the equivalent, the equivalent of like food stamps. I've given you charity, charity numbers on the output to try to make you feel better. But guess what? Even that's feel didn't help. So I really resent that. Okay. You can hear

the emotion coming out. I get more soft about the Peloton. I feel about money night football because the Peloton is near and dear. Okay. I kick ass daily on the Peloton and it starts with the guy setting to your right big cat. Yes. You do. Yeah. Do you do the weights? Do you do the weights mid, mid ride? No, I've never picked my weights up. Never. Okay. They're like two pounds. They don't do anything. Okay. You know what I told him? I told him to send me the heaviest one. So I thought there's gonna be like some 10 pounds. They sent three pounds. I'm like, okay, this will be decoration. Yeah. For the record, I don't actually

believe that you have a miscalibrated bike because that's how it is. If anybody's better than you, you say, Oh, their bikes, their bikes miscalibrated. That's your excuse for it. But yeah, speaking, listen, speaking of Peloton, since we're on that subject, it's a couple of things that I need to address with you. Okay. The whole purpose of the Peloton, competition, camaraderie, you know, we've really taken advantage of it during COVID-19. Yeah. But essentially, it is a car. It's a piece of cardio equipment that gets you in better shape. That's that's basically what it is. Okay. Now, if we're going to do this

pft, there are a couple of things that I'm going to suggest that you do that can elevate your status cardio vascular wise and maybe also just appearance wise. Okay. If we're going to get on there for a half hour, 45 minutes, the first thing you should drink after you get off probably shouldn't be a beer. No, that's it's beers after that's the whole motivation. You have a beer after you get on a Peloton. Drink a bottle of water before you get to the beard off. That's not that's not a starter. No, it's beers after. Big cat doesn't understand the beers after life. Beers after is that it's a

ricochet. It's an important part of I'm not talking about your little culture. 300 people can be. No, no, there's there's like probably I think we had what 5000 people on the Bons of Anarchy leaderboard and boogers one of the founding members of people that ride with us big yet because you are not a part of bonds of anarchy. Do not please do not listen. I didn't fire the first shot. PFT just fired a shot across. Well, you said you went after beers after. I'm very defensive beers. What did I say about beers after you said drink a water before? Don't drink a beer right now. Well, I'm deflecting to you. I can't talk

shit because our Booger beats me every day. I can't talk shit to him about the Peloton. You're that was like that. Is that a Coke Zero? This is Coke Zero. No sugar. That was like you. You're just like Rudy Giuliani who on Pierce Morgan today who said, you know, fuck this. And then two minutes later they're like, don't swear. He's like, I didn't swear. No sugar. I'm about to know sugar life. Booger. I got a, I got a more serious question for you. Let's just do a little hypothetical. I'm a coach. I don't know if you saw that. I'm a coach, Tennessee. You probably should have gone to Tennessee. Although Phil Fulmer, that story you

told on Racille's podcast of Phil Fulmer making, putting his hands in your ass on the recruiting. Yeah. I mean Phil Fulmer slid his hands on the, on my rear end and grazed my, he grazed my scrotum man. There was no way I was going to go to Tennessee. Are you kidding me? Said you want to be the center for Peyton Manning. Uh, if, if you're, if you're a situational football, third and 10, would you say run a draw on spike? Uh, third and 10, probably not. I'd probably do that on second down. Do you take that? What happens? So, so that was, by the way, that was not your

fault. That game, that Bill's Texans game lost control. When it lost control, it was like the whole thing, like running around with its hair on fire. But after you say something like that in the booth, I'm always curious, because I doing live, like announcing is an impossible job. People don't realize how fucking hard it is, but you say something like that. Do you know instantly like, whoops, that was a mistake. Or do you afterwards you're like pop on Twitter and you're like, shit, yeah, probably should have told them to spike on fourth down. No, it was, it was, it was pretty instant because I was basically relying on

technology because in the booth, like you're so far up and sometimes you can't see and I was blocked from seeing it down in distance. So I'm relying on technology. And of course, the technology was a bit slow. I don't know if the wifi and NRG stadium was a little slow, but our technology was a little slow. And so I thought it was second down. Well, in actuality, it wasn't. So it's just a miscalculation, but I didn't need Twitter to tell me that. I knew that the moment like, like two seconds later, like if you're leaning on Twitter, to give you anything, uh, important in your job, you then you're probably A in

the wrong job and B, you probably need a new source of critique for your job. Yes. Yes. That game was crazy though. That game did like, there was a moment in that second half where like, whatever happens, it was after Josh Allen threw the pitch. It doesn't matter what said, it doesn't matter what happens. This game has lost its mind. The Hail Mary to the fullback. Yeah. That was a great one too. That, that yeah, the game watching, I just felt like I was drunk after watching 50 minutes of it. It was insane. That's just another day that is wide for you.

True. Man, I'm taking it from all sides here. Listen, listen, you may, here's what happened. Big cat made a little small tiny comment after Booger called me out for beers after, and I last said, yeah, you did. And I last at you when I should have lashed back at Booger. That's my mistake, but you're in the room when the booger's not. But Booger, you can at least acknowledge that I am improving. I'm now beating other professional athletes. You have improved. Speaking of, speaking of racist things, I've noticed how you try to beat the white guys more than the black guys. Matt Leonard is kind

of your whooping boy. Jeff Swartz is definitely another one of those who comes to myself and Cliff Averill. You kind of stay away from the brothers. That's right. I'm not sure if that is coincidence, which I really don't believe in. So since we're on this racial undertone across America right now, I may as well bring that up. Credit to me. Credit to me. The least racist Peloton rider in America. I do want to see, I think that you could become a professional bicyclist. I want to see Booger wearing the yellow jacket or the yellow shirt, getting his cheeks kissed at like underneath the Arc de Triomphe

at the Tour de France. Here's the problem with that is that, you know, when I first got the Peloton, I was given two options. Do you get the sea cushion or do you put the shorts on that look like the pens? So I actually, I actually went and looked at the shorts and when I tried them on, I'm like, there's no way. I did not want to be wearing diapers ever in my life. I don't care if I, if I'm on my death bed. So I put the shorts back now and I went about the sea cushion. So being a professional cyclist would probably require me to put the shorts back on and I refuse to look like I have one or pair of

the pants. Hey, to accomplish what others can't, you have to be willing to do what others won't, Booger. Put a diaper on. I'm like, yeah, look at you reading some type of book, of course, today. Booger, I had one last question. I can't remember when it came out the short sleeve suit that you had. What was that? What was the story behind that? Do you still have that suit? It's the most outrageous slash kind of works. Look, it's a huge white, maybe even beige. It was, it was beige. First of all, stop right there. You're already distributed. You're being disrespectful

already. Okay. Yes. Beige suit with a short sleeve. So literally like cut off and super baggy. What was that suit for? Was that your, that wasn't your draft suit? Was it? No, I wish it would have been. I could have explained it a little bit more. So I want you to take your mind back 17 years to 2003 espies in Los Angeles. Oh man, summertime. All right. It's warm in LA. It's, it's hot. And so my Taylor came to me and he's like, Hey, um, what do you want to do? You guys are probably gonna, you guys are up for a team of the year. Are you going to the

estimate? I'm like, yeah, I said, I got to do something different though. I don't want to just put on a suit and a tie. And you know, it's like, I got something for you. And he starts to help me and he said, Yeah, you ever want to ask God? I'm like, what? He's like, the thing that said you're in Montana where I'm like, Okay, no, but I've seen him. He's like, I'm going to make you a summer suit. Okay. Hence the cut off sleeves for summertime. I'm going to make your summer suit. And instead of a tie, we're going to have an ass guy. So when I'm getting dressed in the room and I'm putting this

thing on, um, I said, this is either going to be incredibly fly or incredibly bad. Now to my credit, I thought it was incredibly fly. Yeah. A lot of people years later have told me that it wasn't as fashionable as I thought. However, I like it. I love it. And if you would have went to if you would have if you would have gone to Europe and say 2001, they were wearing nose in Europe. So I was just trying to bring it to you. Got it. Got it. I will say something nice about it. The short, the, the, the, how bad the short sleeves look completely overshadow how truly awful the buttons are. Yeah. The six buttons. So that's

something nice I could say about it. Good job. They're like, it took me a second to look at it to be like, Oh my God, does he have six buttons buttoned? Hey, listen, uh, some of the things you do when you're younger, uh, I don't, I don't even know if you can explain the six buttons because it was so long. Let me see. Nowadays, all your jackets are shorter. So if I did that again, like if I did a redo, which I, which I've since we've been thinking about doing a redo of that suit, uh, it would probably be only three buttons and the V would probably come down probably like mid chest and I would just go like white

beater underneath. I would have to shave my chest so the hairs wouldn't show. And you know, I would go a shirt or white be here underneath and then just bring it down to like a two or three button. Yeah. I think Kim Newton actually rocked a short sleeve suit a couple of years ago. Yeah. Yeah. You were just, yeah, you were 18 years ahead of time. That's all. Yeah. I hear you. There's also a little part of me that's like Monday night football was like, all right, well, we've already used this, uh, embarrassing photo. So Booger, like we'll kick you to the curb now. Like they, cause they did it during a, I

think they showed it during a broadcast, right? That was when it was unveiled. Uh, the, well, that, that photo had been out there a while. Okay. Once I got, once I got hired by the network in 2014, um, that, that photo started making a round. So, uh, nationally, I'm pretty sure it probably came out on Monday night football, but then it kind of circulated on the local level for a while. That's, that's like the key to, if you give any tip to anyone who's, uh, going on to be the Monday night football commentary, like whatever embarrassing photos you have, whether it be if you're bald and now you used to have hair or

suits or anything, hold a couple back so that you can, you can, you can make sure they can use them for many years going forward because they love to do that. That one random night where they're like, it's the, it's the break, uh, glass in case of emergency. It's the Patriots are up 40 points on a Monday night football game. Let's start embarrassing everyone that's in the booth in part of the broadcast team. Yeah. You know, when you reached that point of the game, when you got a time, you know, you got to become storytellers. Uh, you better have something in your back pocket. Did you ever bring like a prop up into the booth?

Like, I remember John Gruden used to bring a banana and like a blender and shit up there. Sometimes in case the game got really weird. Did you ever bring anything up there? No, man, never brought anything up in the booth, man. It was a, uh, I mean, you know, we had a couple of coffee machines, but other than that, it was pretty status quo. Yeah. Yeah. Um, all right. Well, this has been, this has been great. Thank you for coming on. Appreciate it. Are you, do you consider yourself a buck for life or a coat for life? Uh, I live in Tampa. Um, so probably a, a, a, probably a buck for life, man. Okay.

Um, I will say this. I flew to Indianapolis on AirTran the day after I got traded. So AirTran is not even around anymore. It just shows you how long ago that's been. And I was scared to death. I was honestly scared to death. I had never been to the Midwest in my life. I was scared of the weather. I was scared how, how a black man would be treating the Midwest. Like I honestly had no clue. I get off the plane and there was a, there was a lady at baggage claim who just came up to me and she's like, uh, you're not from here. I was like, no, man. She's like, well, welcome to Indianapolis. It's a great city. Make sure

you go to St. Elmo's, enjoy the people. It is the nicest city you will ever visit. And she foreshadowed what was to come. I met the best people in my life in Indianapolis. Some of the best restaurants I've ever been to in my life in Indianapolis. I learned what black ice was for the first time in Indianapolis. Like there was so many things about Indianapolis that was happening to me. Uh, two of the best years of my life was, you know, when I spent up there and those people up there couldn't have been nicer to me and it gave me a newfound respect for what happened. Uh, excuse me for, for, for

people that live up there. And man, I respect the hell out of the Midwest. And, um, I got chance to play some good golf balls up there too. So, uh, even though I live in Tampa and I'm around here and consider myself a buck for life, I wouldn't trade my two years in India for nothing. I love that. I mean, I love Indianapolis as well. It's a great city. It's a great walking city to go everywhere, but I just love the last time you walked around. Come on. Come on. I actually jump rope this morning. No big deal. Yeah. For 10 minutes like that. 10 minutes. 10 minutes. Continuous. Continuous. I'm

trying to work on my diet first, then the workout joint bunze anarchy. So I, I don't, I don't wait. I'm not rich like you guys. Okay. Listen, listen. Since I've been on with you guys a couple of times. Okay. Normally you don't ask a woman this, but I'm going to ask you this. How much do you weigh right now? I weigh 220 pounds down from I had a kid a year ago. I was 245 when my kid was born. You weigh 220. Yeah. That's a lie. I don't believe I step on the scale every single morning. He goes to the same doctor as Donald Trump. I go to the I step on the scale every single morning. There's no way you big cat. There's

no step on the scale for you. I've never seen a big cat weigh 220. Usually big cats are in the 280. I haven't touched a car. I don't touch a carb in a week day for three months. I'm just curious. If you don't mind, we can solve this stand up. Some front and back where you can't see me. No, just just turn to the side. I don't need to forward. Just turn side. Slide up a little bit. No, that's back up. Don't suck in your gut. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, you might be. Yeah, probably 245. 245. I'll show you big cat's credit. I'm so fat. If you look at his face when he's 245, you can

tell his face is a lot different. Yeah. He has he has done a good job. I will admit that. So I'm starting because he's not about that after life. So he loses a lot of work out. Starting to work out. But wait, wait, I got sidetracked there. I just wanted I want to quote board the nicest things about Indianapolis, the people, the food, and figuring out what black ice is about. Exactly. Listen, because I had never experienced what it's like. And it was one morning I was on my way to work. And like, the first thing you do, like when I was playing, I would turn I sleep with the TV on. So I woke up, I turned the

TV on to the news, just to see what the weather was like, the temperature says zero. And the lady was like, Hey, make sure, make sure you're careful with the black ice out there. I'm like, what is black ice? So I call coach Dungey. And I was like, coach, do we have to come to work today? He's like, absolutely. So just make sure you're careful and take your time. So I learned what black ice was when I went sliding down a hill that was covered in ice that you couldn't see. So learn very quickly, man. Yes, damn. Um, before we let you go, you're also a tiger for life, unless you're tiger for life. We didn't get a chance to

catch up with you after the national championship game. I'm sure you had a crazy night that night. As did we. Um, what are your thoughts on LSU moving forward? They, you know, obviously losing a lot of talent this year. Um, but they've got, they're going to reload certainly. But are you expecting top 10 finish? What in booger's mind? What is a successful season like next year? I definitely expect top 10. Um, I think where the top team is going to depend on the quarterback that we have, uh, whether it's miles Brennan, whether it's Brad Johnson's kid, who's a, who's a freshman who enrolled in January,

depending on who comes along. Uh, LSU has now entered into the realm of programs. Hey, baby, we don't rebuild. We just reload. That's all we do. Okay. You know, we went on a national title. It's beers after it's cigar by Joe Burrow. Let's go on. Let's move on to the next. That's what we do now. Now we're going to have to go out and back it up, which I'm, I'm, I'm surely and truly hoping that we do. But coach Joe, who you guys know, and I know you've talked to him before, like he is as genuine as a guy. And I think he's relatable and he's the perfect fit for Louisiana. Uh, they're doing an outstanding job of

recruiting man. And as long as always in charge, man, uh, I don't think he's going to allow LSU to, to, to, to go backwards. They may not win the national championship next year, but they are going to be a top 10 football team because always kind of like all three of us, man, like always been died at all his life. Like somebody told him just because of how he talked, he never have a job like that. Somebody told him because of how he looked. He probably never have his own program, but look where he's at now. He's done it his way. He's won a national championship and he is as, uh, loved in the state of

Louisiana as you guys are in New York are all over the country, man. Like he's that kind of love. Yeah. I think that he's also a kind of guy that he just, he loves going to work every day. Like for him, it's not about winning a national title. Like that's great. And I'm sure that's what his goal was last year. But I think he's just excited every single day that he gets to go in and he gets to coach for football. That's like a dream, a dream day for him is his entire life. Yeah. He's listen, always looking forward to, to when all this COVID-19 stuff in, by the way, have you, nobody's talked about that in about a week. Okay. Um, so

as soon as, as soon as that comes back and it ends again and coaches and players can get back to work, uh, he's looking forward to the man, maybe then it's to the jogging outside and having photos of him jogging at the slowest pace I've ever seen. Like him, him and big cat could have a race. Who could jog the slowest? I'd win that. I'd win that for sure. Well, I mean, I don't know. No, I'd go slower. Yeah. No, I would, I went, I went for a jog, uh, two weeks ago, it was a little less than a mile. And by that, I mean, it was a half a mile, but it was slow. It was very slow. So I think you saw the video, you

saw the video of old jogging coach. Oh, but he's determined. You're not, you're not going to ever stop him. No one can stop him from jogging. Even if he's going two miles an hour, he's just going to keep going till the world ends. I sent the message. I said, Oh, better use of energy. Just walk fast. It's true. It's true. Well, Booger, thank you so much. We really appreciate it, man. Uh, anytime, hopefully you come, hopefully we could see you travel soon, see in New York in person, but anytime you want to come on, you're always a guest here. Yep. For sure. Send me what ride you want to do on Saturday. And

I'll get absolutely for a 45 minute Saturday. Big cat. You're welcome to join. Um, you know, get a bike, go to a neighbor's house. You're welcome to join in. Okay. No, I'll just do beers after if I'm allowed. I hope I'm allowed. You can always do beers after. Yeah. Not allowed. So after a, after the 45 minute ride group FaceTime PFT or FaceTime me and he can FaceTime you and you can see how we feel and the connectedness that we have after 45 minutes. Absolutely. Saturday is my cheat day. So I'll have a mouthful of doughnut. His face will look like it's back to 240s. Yes. Yes. Saturday is

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was the only amusing thing in the whole thing. Okay, so the 10th richest person in the world. I thought he was just like a weirdo. No, he's like one of the richest people in the entire world. And so he got upset that he was being scammed and then he hired that detective to go. Okay, so although that was a pretty swaggy magazine cover, I'll give you that. I like I watched the Epstein documentary going into this and the whole time I was like which one of these guys go to the petto island because if you're that obsessed with like a random like lukewarm drink, then you got to be like messed up in the head. And they

also had a lot of money. Yeah, I was like these guys are definitely going to the island. Yep. All right, so you did watch it. Okay, so you watch it. So I guess we should start with it's the perfect crime. It really is. Even though he's in jail. I know that sounds very like counterintuitive because he got caught, but finding a way to sell to get a bunch of rich white dudes drunk and then pulling a scheme on them while they're drunk is genius. Well, if you're if you're confident enough and anything that you say you can fool anybody, but it's a hell of a lot easier to fool people if they're all buzzed off really

expensive red wine. And it kind of reveals what I thought all along. Wine people are full of shit. Most of them are. Yeah, because 99% of them. The end that end scene is so fucking good when Hollywood Jeff, who's got just some serious like red cheeks and red nose and that douchebag finance, bro, he rolls around with who in one of the opening scenes where he's like, if you can't drink, go wait, drink 96 can't drink 96 drink, go to if you can't drink, go to drink fucking beer. And I was like, God, I love this guy. He is. He's like Scott Disick. I mean, on wine. I loved Hollywood Jeff. I thought that Hollywood

Jeff, but at the end when he used to admit, oh, this is real. This is a real one. It's good to know that we still got some of these real ones. What's the guy's name? Rudy Rudy. It's it's great to know that we still got some real Rudy's. Then they go to this place. They try to impress all their friends and his one friend's like, this is absolute trash. I would never drink this night. I think that most people could probably tell the difference between a $7 bottle wine and like a $70 bottle. But anything above that, you can be influenced by a cool looking label. You could be influenced by somebody who talks like

Rudy with enough authority that he's telling you that this is good. By the way, I kind of want to hang out with Rudy. I think a good thing. I think that Rudy would be a pretty cool if if you've scammed somebody out of millions of dollars and you're in jail and they're sitting there in their wine cell or saying, you know what, I'm really glad I got to know Rudy for those years. Like it was worth three million dollars to me to just chill with Rudy for three years. Right. And so that that was Hollywood Jeff ride or die. He they're going to have a great laugh about all this when Rudy gets out of jail. The

other main character that I loved is the French winemaker who that guy is the essence of class. Like if you hang out with him, you just feel classy down to the car he drove like those those drone shots of the of the rolling. It is France. Right. Yeah. And he's just as cool as could be just defending the fuck out of his wine label. I love that. He didn't even want to do it. He was just like he goes to the wine auction at a place where he could stand to make millions and millions of dollars. And he just goes, take my wines out. Yeah, I would not. I would refuse to have them sold. The I don't understand. Pretty good

French accent. Fascination of buying 46,000 bottles of wine. Bill Koch like that. How why? I don't think you want to buy 46,000 of anything in the entire world. 46 I would like to have 46,100 dollar bills. There you go. I would buy that. Yeah. For less than 46,100 if the price is right. I'll get it. But yeah, having 46,000 bottles of wine. And this this goes for a lot of people in this story. At some point, you just become rich enough that you don't know what to do with your money. And so you just get into weird habits. It's boredom. Yeah. It's like, I guess I'll become an expert on wine. That's what other rich people

are doing. I do. I do respect a couple of the guys in this movie. I respected their love of the wine game. Like the one guy who has collected every bottle of wine he's ever drank, like the labels off of them. Yeah. I'm like, you know what? Like if you're gonna I'm a big live and let live guy, like if you're gonna pick the list of hobbies that someone could have, drinking wine and being a little bit of a snob is not that bad. Yeah. And he was pure about it too. He kept in like a little filing cabinet and he was like, Oh, I remember when I drank this with my friend Ricky. That was a lot of fun. That that guy was cool. But if you're just

going to like have him on display down in your basement and forget about him, although having the bottle of wine that was made by Thomas Jefferson is also pretty cool. That was cool. That was probably Rudy probably fucking made it in his apartment. That would be a very easy one to fake. Yeah. Yeah. And then the the other character I really loved was the investigator with his dog just kept on coming into the room and at the end when he drinks that beer and he's just like he's just short, stumpy dude who's wearing a fucking suit in his house and like has the tennis ball and he's like, See, now we can finally play

like spot and it's just great. I also like that he was referred to as my bulldog investigator. Yeah. If you hire an investigator, he better fucking be balding because then you can call him your bulldog. You better be short, stocky, like have a big, decent sized neck on him. Like the dude from McMillian's once he starts to go bald, he immediately becomes a bulldog. Right now he's like a golden retriever because he's too happy. But like this guy was the definition of a bulldog investigator. I loved I loved the French guy when he was getting in his car and he was like, I decided to drive to like Japan. Yeah. And

it's like, did you drive from France all the way like across and then that made me think for a while like that's pretty sick that I bet some people have driven from like one tip of Europe. Yes. All the way to the like the race, ball race. Yeah, that's sick. That's awesome. I would be interested to talk to people that just drive across continents at some point. The other Hollywood Jeff like, dude, are you serious? Moment was they go in, they raid Rudy's house and the FBI officers like I like if you I think his line was if you had listed 10 things that I would need to make a case, he had he had 10 times

10 times 10 times 10 of those things because he had everything. Yeah, it was literally everything you needed. And then Hollywood Jeff is like, well, I mean, he didn't have like glue and like there wasn't any like printing. Where did they all come from? Where did all these things? Maybe he maybe he was just buying them and and maybe he was creating them so he would know how to spot future fake one. So yes. Yeah, he's still he's like some of the guys in the Firefest documentary that are still like, you know what, Billy is a great guy. Yeah, I I enjoyed hanging out with him like Hollywood. We're cool. If Hollywood Jeff was on that jury, Rudy

would be a free man right now. Yes, even though he's the victim of all this, you'd be like, but tell me this, Rudy, like, did you have fun? Yeah, like, okay, well, we can't prosecute him. He had fun. I also think that if you're making a documentary about fraudulent wine, please only use one definition of the word seller. That got a little confusing when they were talking about the seller of the wine. It's like, wait, is this a mere Pete benefit concert? Or is this like an auction that they're like, are you talking about a physical place? Or are you talking about a person like a merchant that's selling? I want to go to one

of those and just drive up the price, but then probably get stuck with wine that I don't want. It's still be fun. Yeah, I mean, yeah, having having a lot of something that you that was a dumb purchase is kind of how we live. Well, I was also looking at it like it would be cool to drink a bottle of wine from like 1952. Like what's going on in the world that year? Yeah, I mean, that's kind of a cool idea. And Hollywood Jeff's description of like wine is art, but it's also art that you consume. And then the art becomes part of you. Right. That's a big time wine guy. So that's a big Jin Blossom's rosy cheek. Yeah, that

explains why your nose looks like it's gonna fall off. Yes, he yeah, he had some of the worst skin that I've ever seen drinks a lot of wine. He's also rich. Good for him. What I couldn't imagine sitting in one of those angry gentlemen, whatever angry the 12 angry men dinners that they used to do like that. Put a bullet in my head where they just sit there with a bunch of glasses of wine and just to talk all hoity toity on each other. Well, a lot of the questions were what do you do for a living? Where is your money from? And shout out to Rudy, who just responded. I'm a scammer. I scam people out of

money. And then he pauses for like three seconds and then last gotcha. You're just seeing the look on your face. So January 9 2021 is the first day that Rudy can come out of prison. Okay, Rudy, I want you to hire Rudy. We want Hollywood Jeff and Rudy on the show drunk with Jeff is definitely I was gonna say he's gonna pick him up from Jeff is gonna ride while his sober friend picks Rudy up from jail with him. And then they're gonna get hammered on the fucking bottle of champagne from 1920. The lawyers for Rudy. I've never seen a more incompetent duo of lawyers in my life. They asked him like, Okay,

so what what do you think Rudy did that was bad? He's like, Well, there's a difference between fraud and faking a product and selling it for 500 times the price that it should be. So well, the one thing I would say that they're their argument, they're like, but the experience was real. Yeah. And like, you know what? You're kind of right. When it's a product like wine, if you consume it and you're happy and you enjoy the taste and you think it's real. Well, you're not going to get those emotions that you felt at the time were real, right? It's not it's not like buying a fake jewelry or something. And

then you're going around and showing everyone like you're consuming it and it was a fun time. And I don't know. That one scene where the the lawyer was outside like, I've had cases with mob bosses with with bodies, dead bodies that have gotten less time. It's like, so you're admitting that like, you're just you're just throwing your other guy. That's pretty fucked up. Also, when they when they raided Rudy's shit and they got all those bottles of wine, I forget how many they had to destroy like tens of thousands. Yeah, why not drink it? Yeah, just give it to so I don't give a shit. I'll drink counterfeit

wine. Sell it. I'll probably yeah, I'll take it. Do a counterfeit wine sell off. Or you can have you can host classes and teach people this is what counterfeit wine. Yeah. What do you got Billy? The guy the guy's destroying it. We're drinking it. You didn't pick up on that? No. Why were they? No, like it was like the joke. Oh, yeah, there's like you could see them joking about it. Oh, they're like, they're like, we're not actually smashing all this. Good for them. Good pickup, Billy. And did you also get how like he faked the wines? Like he was mixing them? Yeah, like the mixologist. Yeah, it was kind of cool.

That was cool. So he was actually maybe making better ones. There were it sounded like there was a trial and error that went into it that he was making good like honestly, like he was doing like what the big winemakers were doing, but just like, like honestly, probably a little more efficiently. Yeah, good point. He didn't have to do the growing. He was just mixing. I do wish they had sold like a counterfeit auction would be so thrilling. Like everything you buy here is fake, but you still can. Or if they're like everything that you're going to buy here is fake except one bottle and we're not going to tell you

which one it is a million dollars. And then you know what? Everyone that buys their wine, they will think that that's their bottle. Yeah. I liked it though. It was a good documentary. What are we going to watch next? Do we have any ideas? Hmm. Oh, we could watch the Lance documentary. Oh, yeah. 30 for 30. Lance Armstrong. Yeah. Sounds like we can say Billy could watch Icarus. No, I started. Yeah. Also, I wanted, I don't want to get killed by Putin. Yeah, let's watch Lance. Let's watch Lance because I didn't even know Lance came out. Yeah. Lance. Is that the name of it? Whatever the 30 for 30 on Lance Armstrong is. The

last Lance. The last Lance with Lance Armstrong. 2.2 Rick Riley. That was lame. All right. So we're going to watch Lance for next week. Someone tell Lance to come on. Let's get Lance on. Be like, Hey, dude, why are you a douchebag? Yeah, he's got a podcast. Yeah. Lance, come on our podcast. Come on, Lance. Everyone tweeted Lance tomorrow. Bleep out where Big Cat called him douchebag. No, I said he. Why are you such a douchebag? Okay. Why would other people think that you're such a douchebag? Including me. Including Big Cat. Right. So it's just a question. Can't you know? Come on podcast to discuss. Yeah. All right.

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