Pardon My Take - Denny Hamlin, Entourage Creator Doug Ellin, Bucs C Ryan Jensen And Dude Perfect

Episode Date: May 22, 2020

Packed Friday show and we start with Dak negotiations (2:27 - 12:31). Fyre Fest of the week takes a detour as Hank invents war movies (12:31 - 30:22). NASCAR driver Denny Hamlin joins the show to talk about his win Wednesday, the last dance and guarantees a win Sunday. Entourage creator (30:22 - 45:48) Doug Ellin joins the show to talk about the show, Hollywood, losing Emmy’s and social media (45:48 - 79:45). Bucs Center Ryan Jensen joins the show to talk about his sweaty ass and working with Tom Brady (79:45 - 92:25). Finally we wrap up the week with a review of the Dude Perfect documentaryYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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who joins us to talk about how exactly Tom Brady likes his ass, how he likes his ass sweat. We also have a Dude Perfect documentary review, which I think is going to get contentious judging by the tweets that were out there. I've got some takes. I don't know if you guys are prepared for this. I read from, I loved it, PFT seemed like he liked it, and Hank hates my guts. If you read the context of my tweet that was screen grabbed, I was saying it wasn't as

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Every time they go live, just put in your Cash Tag. Today is Friday, May 22nd and Dak Prescott has just turned down a 10-year $1 billion deal to make him the highest paid quarterback until of course Taysim Hill signs his deal for $2 billion to make himself the highest paid quarterback. Yeah, that's how it's going to go. It's just the most recent quarterback to get paid is going to be the richest quarterback to get paid. But maybe not because it turns out that we had all kinds of reports.

I think this is just Dak Prescott numbers season because we had the report from Chris Sims that he turned down five years, $175 million that would have made him the highest paid quarterback. It turns out that's not true according to other sources, that that was not discussed and we are still sitting in Dak Prescott purgatory. I can't make, I've heard that Dak Prescott will take $40 million, nothing less than that, nothing less than $35 million. Like it feels like maybe he's going to take a four-year deal because he wants to wait

till the renegotiation of TV rights. I don't know what the fuck is going on. All I know is that the fact that it's taken this long speaks to exactly like how the cowboys feel about Dak Prescott. They like him, they want him, but he's not. Well, this is it. Patrick Mahomes, not Russell Wilson. It's also perfect for Jerry Jones to have the one NFL storyline that's going, that's

carrying us through this offseason to be about a quarterback because Jerry is absolutely loving every single second of this and you're right when he, well, when he gets paid next up, Pat Mahomes, how much are you going to pay Pat Mahomes? Pat Mahomes is a guaranteed whatever he wants you just give him. That's the point is Dak Prescott falls into that category and it happens every single year in the NFL. You throw it in like the Matthew Stafford, the Kirk Cousins. Russell Wilson.

Well, Russell Wilson's, you just give him money. I'm talking about the guys that everything's got to be right around them. So you say to yourself, we have to sign him because he looks like a franchise quarterback, but we're going to hesitate a little bit. Like, should we really sign him for this much? And eventually someone's going to say, no, actually this guy isn't all the way like, let's throw everything at him. Yeah.

I don't think that's going to be Jerry Jones because I think Jerry Jones, just like saying, I got me a quarterback and when he can say that, then he feels good about the job that he's done. But I saw a report that says, Dak wants a shorter deal. Cowboys want a longer one. I think this is the negotiation for the TV rights. Yeah. I honestly think that this is all being leaked from Jerry Jones side.

I haven't really seen anything that's been leaked that makes Dak look favorable in this situation. Yeah. No, it's definitely like, hey, he's turned down how much? And again, I think Dak Prescott is a very good quarterback, but he is that guy who, if he were a Patrick Mahomes, if he were a Russell Wilson, if he were, you know, Aaron Rogers, Tom, like these guys, you're like, okay, it's, it's a no doubter. It would already happened.

Right. I agree with that 100%. This is, he's like a Jimmy Garoppolo type situation where you see a guy like that get paid and you're like, do I want to pay somebody that's not like a top three quarterback in the league backbreaking money when you've got so much money committed to other guys? Right. So they just do, just do like what they do at used car dealerships where it's like last person with their hand on the star between Dak and Jerry gets the contract that they

want. That's their arbitration. I have a question for you, PFT, if, let's say, so Dak, 100% of Dak Prescott, how much of that is Andy Dalton? Because that's the interesting part. What do you mean? How far? If you were to put 80% of Dak Prescott, if you were to put Andy Dalton inside Dak like

a Russian nesting doll, how much would he fill up? Correct. At his peak, at Andy Dalton's peak powers right now, I would say he's probably 75, 70%. He might be good enough. 80 might be where I would put it just because Andy Dalton is the type of guy that with talent around him in the right situation, which the Cowboys have a ton of offensive talent. Why not? They have a good running game.

But he's CD lamb and Amari Cooper. Like Andy Dalton is a fine player for that situation. The problem is now the Cowboys, if they wanted to go that route, they should have used the money they would have saved on not signing Dak in free agency for other things. Yes. Right. Agree. Just stocked up on Dalton.

But it does add to Andy Dalton. Andy Dalton does add a little interesting dynamic where he isn't bad. He's never been beaten up on spring break. He's not good. Yeah. He's not bad. Jack should have asked for IP. Yeah.

Give me IP to the Caller Dackey. Yeah. Let me have the Cowboys star. Yeah. If you give me the star, I'll sign this contract today. Right now. The Schrodinger's Dak. That is.

I'm done with the puns. That is. Yeah. That was a heat check. That was a heat check. I'm sorry. Yeah. The Caller Dackey was great.

Yeah. Schrodinger's Dak. Not so much. Yeah. There are three stories going on right now in the NFL. It's that. It is Tom Brady's Howie likes his center's ass sweat, which we'll get to with Ryan Jensen. And then every three days, someone declaring that Taysum Hill is the greatest quarterback

in the world. That's all we got. That's all we got right now. It was declaring. It's like putting Taysum Hill on the same level as another superstar quarterback. And then having everyone flip out. So there was one tweet that said Taysum Hill could be like a bigger version or no, it came from Jay Glazer, I think, saying that Sean Payton views Taysum Hill as a bigger version

of Lamar Jackson. Right. In the fact that he does a lot of things and is physically bigger. And then since we are so we're fucking starved for any sort of thing to argue about and we see that we're like, okay, this is the thing that we're going to get mad about online today. I would go out on a limb and say that I think Lamar Jackson might be better at playing most of the same positions that Taysum Hill plays. I'm going to go out on a limb and say I haven't we've seen Taysum Hill come into a game and

be part of not a gimmick offense, but it's a different offense. And I still don't understand. I know everyone will say, well, Teddy Bridgewater is more like Drew Brees and Taysum Hill is like Drew Brees and James Winston is getting paid nothing. But if Taysum Hill was truly, truly a franchise quarterback, he would just be the backup. Yes. Yes, he would. He would have started.

He would have started at least started some games last year, although there's something about Sean Payton. And I kind of like it. He's a little bit crazy. He's nuts. He likes to get his players paid. So he nothing he's paying. Nothing.

Yeah. But no, he he got Teddy Bridgewater paid. Right. Taysum Hill right now. He loves to have the reputation of being a coach where he can bring somebody in and then you'll get paid in the future if you just do what he wants for like a year or two. Sean loves it. He did the same thing with John Coon where he brought John Coon in and would like sign

him and cut him every other week. And then he had like some sweet like relationship set up where he was like in the future. If you just come and play with me for another year, you can do anything you want for the Saints. If it's being a coach, if it's being doing the same type of thing where I cut you again and signed you again every week next year, like I know for a fact that Sean Payton loves just the reputation of players wanting to go to New Orleans to get paid in the future. Yeah.

I mean, they are paying him now the $21 million over two years, $16 million guaranteed. That's I, I don't doubt that Sean Payton loves Taysum Hill. I just, I got to see it like consistently for a season before I say he's a franchise quarterback. Right. Well, I've never seen, I've never seen Lamar Jackson be a personal punt protector. I've never seen him return a kick. So there are certain things that Taysum can do.

Troy Aikman's never said Lamar Jackson's the best player on the field for a playoff game. That's true. Lamar Jackson is a leather man. That they ended up losing. Taysum Hill is a Swiss Army knife. He's got a few more tricks, but not quite as sharp. It is interesting too, because I could be convinced like Taysum Hill and that playoff game against Vikings.

He was electric and I mean, Drew Brees is going to play forever, and I think they'll just let Drew Brees play forever. The thing about Taysum Hill is there's a, there's a low expectations bar for him when he gets in. And so when he throws a good downfield pass, and I think he threw a total of like five passes past five or 10 yards last year. When he throws one deep and it actually connects, it's like, it's a holy shit moment. Right.

Everyone gets excited by it. Right. It's like a pass that you would expect a great quarterback. Just run the Wildcat with Taysum Hill. Do it. All right. So that's, that's pretty much the news. The only other news I saw was Jim Harbaugh is trying to save football, which we all expected,

but he said he absolutely has no problem playing with no fans because he's like, what's the alternative? No football. Yeah. He probably actually liked playing football. No fans, even more. So he's, he's, he's strongly in the camp of let's just play. Doesn't matter how.

And I have to agree with that. Let's just play. It doesn't matter how. So Jim Harbaugh at the forefront, thank you for your service coach. Just roll the ball out there. It doesn't matter if there are fans in the stands. It doesn't matter if the games are televised. If there's a football game going on, Jim Harbaugh will be there to coach it and probably put

himself in at quarterback if he needs to. Absolutely. All right. So before we get to our interviews, we got three really great ones coming up. Firefest of the week, Firefest of the week, Henry, I just realized I would love to see Jim Harbaugh try to figure out zoom calls for recruiting. He definitely is. He's got a guy next to him.

He sits down. He just sits down. It's on. He just opens up. He's like, Excel is not letting me see the other guy's face. Right. Can I open up zoom inside of Excel? He does a whole, he does a whole zoom where it's just facing like his chest.

Yeah. Hank, Firefest. Did you see this is my Firefest, but do you guys see Chris Pratt had a Firefest of his own? He deleted like 50,000 emails by accident. So why is that bad? He do. I don't know.

Wouldn't that give you anxiety? Is he doing server management for Hillary Clinton? Damn. That you don't think? How do you do that? Like your email, like I'm sure it has how many thousand emails? A lot. So if accidentally you deleted them all, once you'd be like, Oh, fuck, there's so much

shit in there. I need it. Yeah, maybe. I'd probably be psyched if I did. Let me just take a look at my email account. Sorry. I've got 11,672 in this one. Got 13,000.

Yeah, I guess it would cause a little anxiety, but it also would probably be liberating. And then my other one I've got. But you would, it's a Firefest. Why can't you just get it back? I don't know. The cloud? I don't think that's how it works. I think that's exactly how it works.

I don't think that's how it works. You just call up the cloud and like give them back and they're like, sure thing, Mr. Pratt. So your celebrity, you can get anything back. What's your Firefest? Did Chris Pratt lost all his emails? No, my Firefest, I just, it's, you know, I feel like it's annoying and all my Firefest are is video game related, but this is the one I couldn't say last week. Uh, I got invited to be in a Call of Duty tournament, like through the official Call

of Duty like league, optic gaming, and they, it was presented to me that it's going to be three or three pro players, one influencer per team. And as I was getting set up, you were the influencer. Yes. Wow. And as, as, so as I'm getting set up, like the technical guys going through like setting up my computer or whatever, and I'm like, who are the other like influencer people? So I can size my stuff up against them.

Like how, you know what I mean? Like how good do I have to be compared to them? And he was like, actually, you're the only one. Like all the other teams decided to just go with four pros. So yeah, it was, it was, it was a tough, like my team hated me. How much better are the pros? A million times better. It's one of those things where I didn't understand it.

I will be honest. Like I didn't understand the Twitch. I didn't understand video games. And I would see video editors here, like watching Twitch streams and back in my head. I'd be like, why are you watching someone play video games? But it truly is like there's you play, you can play basketball and then there's you watch a pro play basketball. Yeah.

It's like there's me and LeBron James. They can do a million different things. It's the same game, but they're just playing 10 times faster, 10 times better, 10 times more, probably a hundred times more accurate. It's just a completely different level. And it makes sense now to me that people watch it because it's like you're watching greatness. Like these guys, it's the same game that you and I play. They just play so much better, so much faster, so much more entertaining.

So is there a way for you as like the obvious weak link in this team to like hide out? Yes. Are there places that you can just chill? Yeah. I was basically just hiding the entire time, just trying, trying, like I knew eventually it was going to, I was going to look like an idiot and get killed, but I was just trying to like prolong that as long as possible. And it probably sucks too, knowing that like the one PED you can do for video games is

Adderall and you actually need that desperately for your ADHD. And when I take it, I don't even take it when I game anymore because it gives me severe anxiety. Like I get too, like I, I'm prescribed it when I take it, I'm like, I'm going to take it to focus, but that's where the gay size come in and that's where like my heart beats too fast. Like my heart rate goes too fast on it. So I have to like not take it.

It'd be like someone having low T and having to take steroids to just get their T to a normal level and then going up against like muscle men. Yeah. Right. Against Jose Canseco. Right. So yeah, that was my fire fast. Did you kill anybody?

Tune in. I'm not allowed to say the results. It's airing the results. So it was cool. They basically filmed it. It's going to be like put together and it's going to air. There's official call duty league, which I'm sure you guys are up to speed on. Of course.

And this is going to be like the preview like game. They're going to, they're going to show the whole game. Did you sign an NDA? I did. And this is the other thing. This is the other thing that I think. You just broke your NDA by telling us. Well, no, I didn't sign NDA.

I said, I said, I wouldn't reveal the results. Oh, that's an NDA. I signed a release form for boner dogs because there's a boner dogs poster in my, in the background of my like Twitch stream, which I think makes boner dogs an official movie. They're like, I think you signed away boner dogs. No, no, no, no. They're like, they're like, they're like, we can't, we were not going to be able to use your video because there's that, that movie poster in the background.

I'm like, no, that's our movie poster. Like that's mine. The movie doesn't exist. And then they're like, okay, give us. Can you, no, they're like, can you just like consent to use it like saying like, they thought it was a real movie and a real movie company would sue them for having in the background. I'm like, no, actually, you shouldn't have signed. We should have sued them.

And that would have been the fucking budget for the movie. Dummy. No, but I think it's one of those things where I think now, I think we're now a real eyes of Twitch are called duty. Boner dogs is a legit move. It's canon. Yeah. So this actually might be a good way because there are a lot of video games that have been

successes that have started or movies that have started out as video games and the kids get into and they're like, oh, let's turn this into a movie. What? Mortal Kombat. Mortal Kombat. Boom. That was a movie. Yeah, it was a movie.

Smash hit. I never saw that movie. It was a smash. They were on an island. It was Dana White's inspiration for the UFC. There was Sonic the Hedgehog. Great movie. It's good.

Yeah. Going to be a great movie. I think it's already out. Oh, it was a great movie. It was a great movie. Great movie. James Bond. Start out as Goldmine.

Start out as Goldmine. Start out as Goldmine. Yep. And then they made a movie out of it. They made a lot of movies out of it. We should do a flush more of games that they should make into movies. That'd be a good one. Ooh.

The Crash Bandicoot, the movie. The worst games that they could make into movies. Or best games. I think there's a lot of other ones. Call of Duty. I'm surprised there's never been a Call of Duty movie to be perfectly honest. There have been a million war movies. Like literally a million war movies.

I know, but there's not like a Call of Duty branded. I don't know. What do you mean? Like, like Zero Dark Thirty? That was a movie about Call of Duty. The longest day. Call of Duty. Save the Private Ryan.

The Heart Locker. Call of Duty. The Heart Locker. Call of Duty. The Held Rocker. The Held Rocker. The Held Rocker. The Held Rocker.

The Held Rocker. The Held Rocker. The Held Rocker. The Held Rocker. I'm not explaining what I mean. Braveheart. Call of Duty. I thought...

Johnny Tremaine. You're on some, dude. Call of Duty. I think people would watch a war movie. It's not. That is not what I meant. They should make a... You guys are twisting my words.

Okay, no. What Hank's saying is like make a war movie. But make it more like a video game where it's like all one shot that lasts for a long time. Oh. Maybe World War One? World War One. Yeah.

We should do that. We could probably win an Oscar. Maybe. The year 1917. Hmm. Good. I like it, Hank. Smart.

Smart thinking. All right, P.F.T., what's your firefest? I mean, there is something to be said for someone who invents something that's a success, but didn't know that he was already inventing that. Oh, yeah. You get credit. You got a good brain. Get partial credit for inventing something.

That's not what I meant. When you see what I meant, you're all going to wish you were on board. Okay. My firefest is that news websites have started to exploit the ratio. And they're starting to do like alley-oop jokes on Twitter. I don't know if you noticed that recently, but when companies are tweeting out like an article that they just wrote, they're phrasing their tweets in such a way that they know they're going to get replied to and a shitload of quote tweets, they're gaming the system.

So the other day, there was a Matt Lauer op-ed that came out and the title was something like Matt Lauer opinion, not enough fact checking is being done on sexual assault victims and sexual assault accusations. It's just expecting people to quote tweet it with something like slug reports that there's too much salt being sold in America or something. You know what I'm saying? Sun will rise. Yeah.

Exactly. It's like alley-oop jokes. There was one yesterday that said scientists discover that time is moving backwards in alternate universe. It's just easy setups for jokes. And my firefest is not taking bait on an extremely easy setup for a joke because that's like my wheelhouse. Why don't you?

Because it's too easy because the joke is already in everyone's head. Who cares? Just fucking do it. I don't know. I don't know. You're just thinking about it? I'm thinking about it too much. Yeah.

You are. Like they are so far into my head. Yeah. Maybe sit this way. Yeah. I'm sitting them out. All right. So like I'm going to let the masses have the easy alley-oop.

Sit it out. And I'll challenge myself. Sit that out. Okay. Yeah. Twitter has become... Twitter sucks now. I think we talked about it last week was like the pick three guys or what is it first

thing that comes to your thought when you to your brain when you see this picture? It's it's just bad. It's bad. The new meme. Verbal meme. Do one. Let's hear some. Oh, me.

My plans for this year. And it's me looking like it's it's buff cat. And then it's 2020 and it's it's like, you know, standing outside the Mac championship cat. That's it. Here's one. Wow. Nailed it.

Um, my, my internet streaming when I'm watching porn and it's DK Mechcalf running the 40 yard dash. My internet streaming when I'm trying to go on Twitch. Wait, that's not the meme. No. Listen. Okay. I'm sorry.

Sorry. I'm so sorry. This is a different meme. Okay. You asked me to do a verbal meme. I'm executing on that. My internet speed when I'm watching porn on the left DK Mechcalf running a 40 yard dash. My internet stream when I'm on Twitch trying to play Mario Kart and it's DK Mechcalf doing

a three cone drill. Boom. Got it. Memed. Uh, the, the two hands clasping each other, uh, introverts and pan, a global pandemic. And then it says staying inside. Boom. That's actually, that would do huge numbers.

Yes. Seven weeks old. I think. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. All right. No, no problem. No worries.

I thought that was a good one. I felt good. Okay. I guess not. Uh, my reading comprehension, DK Mechcalf doing a 40 yard dash, Hank's reading comprehension, Darren Revelle running those 20 yards. See, I have good reading comprehension. It's just sometimes when it goes from my brain out to my mouth, things get lost in translation.

Hank's a boyfriend holding onto the girlfriend's hand looking back and it's, uh, he's holding on to the hand of, uh, the girlfriend says saving private Ryan and he's looking back and it says, we should make Call of Duty a movie. This is not, that is not what I meant. That is not what I meant at all. This is going to be like, oh, whatever. Whatever. Whatever.

All right. My firefest is, uh, similar, well, not the same as Hank's, but similar in that it's video game related. I just have like tremendous anxiety now because I just have anxiety. It's like real sports are back in my own brain where I get anxiety before. We feel bad for making fun of coaches and all this stuff now, knowing like some of the stress. Oh, I mean, I do love the people who are like, you could never criticize Andy Reed again.

It's like, yeah, I can, yeah, I can cause that's what fans do. Actually, if you play enough, you will get better at clock management. You just need the reps. Andy's, the thing about Andy Reed is he's been doing this for 35 years. Right. You've been doing it for like a month. I'm also the reverse Andy Reed. Andy Reed burns his timeouts like they're going out of style.

My problem is I like to save my timeouts till there's like, I've, but my perfect situation is three timeouts with 18 seconds left. There you go. It's like you can run. I can. I have no problems here. Yeah. Absolutely.

Yeah. Just save, save, save. But yeah, it's, um, and I also am now in sec waters. And I think that like, if you haven't, you haven't told the, the people of the show. Yeah. As a Monday, I thought you were staying at Texas Tech. I was close to, uh, I took the job at Tennessee and I'm in sec waters now. So I think my first big sec loss, I'm going to, like people will call for my head.

What is the schedule? Uh, we need to check out the Tennessee message boards because those things are lit even when things are going well. Yes. Like the first two weeks of the season. Yeah. Sunday night is going to be, uh, Sunday night. So Oh, let's talk about the schedule for next week too.

So Sunday night, I'm going to play Florida, but next week we have a day game on Friday day game on Friday or two. So if you're listening to this right now, it's three o'clock today. Uh, so next week we're going to do a show on Tuesday and a show on Friday. So no Monday because more of the two episodes next week, we have a Tuesday show. We have a Friday show. Uh, yeah, there's not a lot to talk about, but we have some awesome interviews coming up.

We do. And we, and it's a holiday weekend. People forget that. We've con, we've contacted Tim Woods, hopefully Tuesday show, we will, uh, be back in the Dungeons and Dragons realm for, uh, that, which I'm very excited. Awesome. Very excited. Have you, have you discovered or figured out what you're going to do to have like a

uniquely heartbreaking loss to Florida? No, I think I'm pretty, I'm pretty up for the challenge of just like fucking myself over at random times. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's a big game for Tennessee alum. It's like they, they need to find a way to lose it that they haven't seen before. Right. My favorite, my favorite part of Twitch is, uh, the woke Twitch that's like, I'll throw

an interception to bike. He did that on purpose. Like I wish I did that on purpose, dude. I just, my brain just stops moving at given times and that happens. Have you considered using fullback in your offense? I have used fullback dive. Okay. Goal line.

Okay. I like it. I like it. I get asked by Lorenzo. He was like, I saw what big cats doing on the coach Doug stream. He was like, how come he's not using fullback? And I was like, I think that the fullback brand doesn't want to be associated with coach Doug's four verts offense.

Well, it's, yeah, it's air raid. Yeah. I have Rico Bergerton, uh, who's electric and Jojo Smalls, who's also electric. Is he big? Jojo Smalls is small. Rico Bergerton. He's big. Yeah.

Thunder and lightning. Yes. Exactly. Yes. So, but I do use a fullback from time to time. I'm going to, I'm eventually going to use, like do a full triple option offense. Okay. Cause I think that would be awesome.

But that, that's going to be fumble city. What are you, what are you going to be able to do that? I did it at Toledo. Oh no. Toledo. No one saw you play at Toledo. At Toledo, I would do it. And it's in like, in one out of 10 times, I would do a pitch and they would just pick

it off. Yeah. Yeah. Or you're going to fumble it. You're running a rugby offense. Right. Right. Whatever.

We'll see. We got enough time. True. We got enough time. I'll sports are coming back in July. I guarantee it. Well, they are. Yeah.

100%. Yes. They're coming back. They're coming back in July. Clip that. No, they are coming back. At some point in July. Yeah.

As a matter of fact. As a matter of fact that we're in the Northern Hemisphere, there's more daylight. So it is literally the longest month of daylight that we have. So suck on that, Hank. Fact check. You're almost, I feel like you're not rooting for sports to come back. One Pinocchio on that fact check. You're just hoping sports never come back so you can work on your Call of Duty movie.

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Okay. We now welcome on a very good friend, recurring guest and the best driver in all of NASCAR. Yeah. I said it. It is Denny Hamlin. He won Wednesday night's race at Darlington, his second victory of the season, big race coming up on Sunday at Charlotte. I guess first question is like, dude, are you in the zone?

I'm in the zone right now for sure. You know, I count iraces, we want a couple of those and so two real ones to iracing. I mean, it's a, it's, we got good stats right now. I like that. How many points do you get in the standings for the iracing? Zero. That's bullshit. Yeah.

But no points from us. I've been, I've been iracing and the farthest I've made it is three laps into a race before I crash. I saw the video. Yeah. You're pretty intense. Your eyes, you were, you're focused. I don't want to suck, but I just suck.

So I have a new found appreciation for what you guys do. Yeah. I mean, you know, the thing is, is in iracing, it takes the same skill set to be good in iracing as it does in real life where other sports, like a football player, like doesn't mean he's going to be a good Madden player. Right. I mean, it's a total different skill set. You don't have to use your athletic ability where you're driving if the same, you're using

the same controls. Right. So big cat could in theory be a successful coach, right, but I can't do it on NCAA. I am. It's going by the way. It's going great. I'm the head coach of Tennessee. You probably can't see my hat says feels like 98.

Number one, you know, going to be two and Oh, when this finally comes out tomorrow morning. So yeah, I'm just crushing it. You know, like, we're, I think we actually are both in the zone if we're really going to be honest here. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Is this like Tennessee of like, like the nineties or like going to be, going to be.

Yeah. It's going to feel like it's going to be, it's going to be like that soon. Yeah. Right after Peyton left. I'm going to win a title. Did you, uh, did you get a call from MJ after you won? Um, I didn't get a call. I got a text.

Uh, so we text back and forth and whatnot, but, uh, you know, that track is kind of special to him because that's where he went to NASCAR races when he was a kid. That's where his dad took him. Uh, he, he, you know, he was raised in Wilmington that was, uh, I don't know, probably an hour away. And, uh, he said that, you know, that's kind of where he's passion grew for racing itself was going to NASA. His dad always used to take him to NASCAR race a year.

Did you, have you talked to him at all about the last dance or did you maybe even watch some with it? Oh, no, I didn't, I didn't watch any with him, but I, so oddly enough, I finished, I finished it like an hour before I had to go to Darlington to race. So like, you know, you're, you're ready to rock. Yes. Like you're trying to, you're ready to get the best out of yourself. So, uh, I mean, it was just incredible.

I mean, I know him, you know, personally and how he is and how he interacts with me and the people that he's around. Like, and he always hear about, you know, how, how fiery he was, but, you know, I was too young when I was watching, you know, the bowls and in the late nineties, I was too young to kind of understand more about the game, right? There's just so much more than just the game gets played and to see all the behind the scenes and people talking about it. I mean, it just gives you, gives you an unbelievable appreciation for what they did.

Yeah. So did you, did he, did you ask him any like questions about it or did he say like he was happy how it turned out? We didn't really talk about it. I mean, that's just, you know, to me, you know, when he told me that, you know, the story about his dad, taking him to races and whatnot, you know, I didn't, I, I didn't know the story about how close his dad, him and his dad were. Um, and, and the story of how his dad ended up, you know, uh, passing away.

So, I mean, it was a, it was a learning experience as much for me that, uh, as it was anyone. Yeah. Do you think that by proximity, like through you, that now maybe slowy slow Gano is on MJ's list of people that he hates. Uh, well, he don't, obviously it didn't take much to get him motivated, right? I mean, I think he just self-motivated, made it as self-motivated himself to, uh, bring out that next level.

But, uh, yeah, I mean, listen, as, as, as a person in sports, you, you find fuel, right? I mean, you see, there's no question out on the racetrack. I see people that I particularly do or don't like, and I, I run harder to run them down and pass them because I get more satisfaction at it. Yeah. I like that. How, uh, how good has your jumper gotten in quarantine?

Cause you have a court in your house. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's gotten pretty good. I mean, it's wet right now for sure. So, I mean, you know, we're, you know, we may or may not, um, you know, I play a little three on three now, we're opening it back up to, you know, under 10 people making sure we're getting the games nice and solid.

But, uh, you know, we're, it's, it's been tough for two months sitting at home, not being able to play, but I can tell you, got that, uh, got the risk going. I got the shootaway machine feeding it back to me. I don't want to chase them rebounds. You know how it is. Yes. I'd imagine your house is like top 10 houses to be, uh, shelter in place at cause you have a full court, I racing machine.

I mean, that's the best. Yeah. Golf simulator. We got the bowling alley. Okay. You didn't have to do that. You have to mention that. Like I, I feel like nothing pisses me off more than here.

My kids, I'm bored. I'm like, are you kidding me? Are you kidding? Yeah. I'll switch spots with them. They can come live in Brooklyn. Yeah. They live in a Chuck E.

Cheese. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's the thing. Like they'd rather be at a Chuck E. Cheese. Yeah. I guess that's true. The pizza.

Yeah. I was going to say the animatronic band too. They're pretty good. Um, I saw that after, after the race, your teammate, uh, Kyle Bush, he apologized and then he doubled down on his apology. He came out and said he was sorry pretty quickly to chase Elliot. Is that weird seeing somebody like right after the race, when emotions are high, put their hand up and say, Hey, I screwed up my bad.

Yeah. I mean, it was, it was, you know, blatantly a screw up, right? He just kind of misjudged it. He was trying to fit in the hole to kind of what in there at the time. He's looking at his rear view mirror instead of, you know, kind of looking right beside him and he just misjudged it. It's just, I mean, it happens. We're all fighting for inches and we're running, you know, almost 200 miles per

hour, you're going to run into people. And so, uh, it just, it, it, it becomes more of a big deal when it's someone who's popular, like Chase. So, uh, that, that's what makes it, you know, so big is the, the two people that are involved in it. Has there been like a warning to Chase to not retaliate for it? No, no, I think NASCAR leaves it, it leaves it to us to kind of police that stuff. The, it's a self policing sport, as they say, you know, under the rules,

like you've been done wrong, you know, you don't need to talk about it. Just, just handling. How different is it, uh, for maybe the novice NASCAR fans, uh, with like the rules now that you don't have any qualifying, you show up and what is it? You have one car, like, can you explain that to people who might not understand how drastically different it is running these races right now? Yeah. I mean, so much of your speed is built in the race shop, I would say probably

50% of it. And then the other 50, you tune on it during practice on a race weekend. So that 50% is now gone. So you're relying on, you know, these, of course, every team has engineers coming up with setups and, you know, with the put in the car to make it faster. So there's more emphasis on those guys now to get it right because you have no practice to tune it. So, uh, there's a big emphasis on the drivers to give the crew chiefs and the

team the information to make sure when they go to the racetrack, you know, they're ready to race right from the get go. So it's, it's definitely different for sure. When I saw, when I saw Chase giving the bird after the race was over, flipping the guy off as they were driving around, it made me wonder, do you guys flip each other off when you pass each other on the track? Like we do when we're on the road, getting around, yeah, but it's a big no-no. Like I, you, you flip me off.

It is straight sent. I'm sending you into the next corner. So it's just, I don't know. It's, you know, you want to come up and talk or whatever after the race or and cuss me out. No, no problem. Right. Man-to-man face-to-face, but like just flipping the bird, just, you know, it's

so dumb. It's so, I mean, I get it. I may have done it early in my career, but it's just like, man, that sends me off to deep end. Somebody flips me the bird. Uh, I read that you had the all in challenge where has that been decided? Who won the raffle?

Yes. Okay. Dan Snyder. No. Great. Yeah. You want it? Good.

Yeah. I was actually going to offer. So the all in challenge was, uh, you did this with Bubba Watson. You get a golf outing at MJ's new golf course and a VIP experience at Daytona 500. I was going to, uh, graciously offer PFT and I to be a celebrity host for this, but now I'm going to say no, no, I don't want to hang out with Dan. I would actually, so my question is you're the celebrity host.

Yes. Yes. We would do it for you. I would, I would like to celebrity host Dan Snyder in a boxing match against myself. Yeah. No, we'll do it though, not anymore, but next time you have like a VIP thing where it's like, you get to go play golf at MJ's golf course.

We'll happily, you can throw our name in it and hopefully get more money. Love that. Yeah. Love that. I want to, I want to back up real quick. It was a raffle. So like Dan Snyder bought a raffle ticket and his name got, no, he was the highest bidder.

Okay. It was an auction. How much money? Uh, 190 K. Damn. Good for him. Damn. I, I know it's better that he does that than buy a free agent that we don't

need. Uh, okay. Well, we, yeah, we're in for it. Yeah. We're taking bullets out of the gun. I don't mind that we actually we're going to go. We got to, I want to go, I want to fucking play hoops in your house, man. Come on, man.

I, I mean, I can't right now, but I want to. Yeah. I mean, I, I, has your game gotten any better? Or are you just the, no, no, I'm, I'm the same guy. And also probably worse because I haven't shot a basketball dribble the basketball, not of us, not all of us are Denny Hamlin. We don't have a corp. I mean, is it because they don't pass it to you or?

No, I just have not been like, I haven't been in a gym in two months. So I'm, I'm actually very looking, I'm looking forward to the first, uh, pick up game back and seeing how long it takes each team to get to like 15 or 21, because you know that, that first game when, yeah, when no one's after the summer, it's just like the worst. It's a rock fight. I'm re, I'm waiting for that. By the way, everyone's looking for an excuse to check the ball.

Yes. Yeah. Let's check it out. Check it out. Check it out. Yes. So that's going to happen. That's going to be fun.

Um, I had one last question. You've been going at our boss on social media for saying he looks pretty shitty. I mean, this is, uh, it's kind of stolen valor. Cause I've been saying that for a long time. He doesn't use sunscreen. He's got the air clapped in hair. I mean, what have you guys settled the beef? Yeah.

Yeah. We, we chatted it up. We, we did an Instagram live before the race yesterday, which I mean, you know, he said he got tired of backing Clint, you know, cause he couldn't win or something like that. And then, you know, he had me on and winning. So that, that worked out well. But, uh, yeah, yeah, we buried the hatchet.

Uh, I just gave him a little grief because he was doing a little, you know, uh, Hey, look how good my hair is. Look how good, and I was like, well, why is he covering his face? Like, and, and, and, you know, you saw a little glimpse is like, man, he's, he's got a little burn there. I think he's been up on his rooftop, getting his face roasted. His lip raw chat. I told him he looked like, you know, Tom Hanks on day 1,000 of cast away.

Yup. Yup. It's true. He doesn't use suntan lotion. I've been trying to tell him he looks like a catcher's mitt. An old one. Like really beaten in. Yeah.

Yeah. But yeah, no, we got a good respect for each other. We like, uh, we like giving each, uh, giving each other shit every now and then. But, uh, yeah, he's a lot of fun and, uh, having him at the racetracks has been a blast near seeing him taking that all in. And it's, it's fun, man. You got to come out. Well, I'm not a NASCAR fan.

I'm a Denny Hamlin fan. All right. I can deal with that. Yeah. I'd say it's pretty much like it's, it's a binary option. Did Denny Hamlin win? No. Okay.

Then there was no event today. We got to it. So we like Denny Hamlin and we like whoever is right behind Joey Logano. Uh-huh. We had Joey Logano on the show. Yeah. Who called him? Uh, Chase Elliott Bush.

No, Bush, Kyle Bush. And, and we called him to call him and he, uh, he basically we're like, Joey, like, uh, can we, can you unblock us? Can we squash the beef? And he's like, well, you got to stop calling me Slogano and we're like, no deal. Hmm. Stick by your guns. You got to stand for something.

I appreciate you guys taking a stand. Yes. Obviously something, right? Yeah, we got your back. How different are my interviews versus, uh, other guys? Like, you know, you know, is it a little more, Hey, you know, straight up and we don't, we don't interview other people. We respected what an asshole Bush was committed to be.

Correct. So like the fact that he is unapologetically a dickhead, we were like, okay, we can respect that part about you, but we're still Denny guys. But we get offered, we get offered NASCAR drivers and we're like, wait, that's not Denny Hamlin, no thanks. Well, I think that the, like you said, the worst thing, right? Is like putting on a persona that you're one thing and then you're really not. That's, you might as well, whatever you were going to be, you're going to be a

nice guy, be a nice guy. You can't, it can't be opposite. Yeah, right. But yeah, we're still Denny guys. You're, you're our guy. We really have no other guys. So that's just how it's going to be. That's how it's always going to be.

Uh, Charlotte six PM Eastern on, uh, Fox on Sunday. Do you want to guarantee a victory? Oh, I mean, I, I mean, I don't know what I'll be in Vegas. Probably a eight or nine. Okay. One type of guy. Uh, but yeah, I mean, yeah, I'll do it, man. I got a new set of paint scheme.

We're thinking small businesses out there. So yeah, I'm in, I'm in on the guarantee. Okay. Yes. And you got, yeah, you have the new paint scheme, which I'm excited for. Do you have a picture of that? Uh, we do somewhere. Okay.

We can see it on Sunday. It's a, it's a guaranteed car. Yeah. Yeah. It's the guarantee. It's, you know, it starts with stripes. God bless America guarantee. Love it.

It'll be the one underneath the checkered flag. Yup. Hell yes. Shout us out when you win. Okay. Just be like, I told part of my take that I was going to win this and then I did. I'll do that. All right.

Denny, thanks so much, man. We really appreciate it. Uh, best of luck and we're, we'll be rooting for you. You're our guy. All right guys. We'll see you all soon. All right, man. Thanks, man.

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Okay. Here he is. Creator of entourage. Doug Ellen. Okay. We now welcome on very special guest. It is Doug Ellen, creator, producer, writer. He created and wrote and produced entourage Emmy award winner.

Is that annoying to introduce you as Emmy award winner? Do you like when people do that? No, I like it better than when you say six times Emmy award loser because for entourage, we lost the whole bunch, but I actually won one for a 30 for 30. I did. So I like, you know, Okay. Which 34 30 was it when the garden was eaten with Michael Rappaport.

Oh, okay. Perfect. That one was great. That one was great. Uh, I mean, the Knicks may never be good again. So that was like the pinnacle. I, you know, I can't argue that sadly. It's just, uh, it's a horrible situation we got going on there.

But, you know, they were great then. So yeah. Yeah. Um, I'm going to start off with, it's a pretty basic question about entourage, but it's one that I've always wondered when I was watching the show, did you ever have a hard time figuring out different ways to get the four same guys in the same room together? It was, it was honestly torture.

And now, you know, as I said, Kevin Dillon and I are doing a podcast out of Kevin Connelly's company. And I'm looking back at the show now as, and I haven't watched it in years. So just kind of enjoying it. But yeah, that was one of the hardest things to do. And whenever anybody asked me about, you know, the realistic stuff of the show, the thing I always said was the least realistic thing is that four guys would be together this often, but that, that was very tricky now.

And especially when they had separate storylines going because the comedy came when those guys were together. So yeah. Absolutely. So I'm curious to this, uh, your career, you moved out to LA, you're grinding it as a writer, as a, as a standup, uh, comic. Was there a moment before entourage happens where you're close to saying, you know what, this isn't for me.

I might just give up. It's not going to work out. I mean, to be honest, there are moments before and after entourage that that's happened, but I mean, I did, I did two independent movies that both got picked up by studios and a lot of those experiences ended up in the show. I did a movie for a hundred thousand dollars that ended up on screens worldwide, it's still playing on showtime. The reviews came out, said, you know, this movie is unreleasable.

I was 22 years old. Then I did this movie with David Schwimmer called kissing a fool, which again was a million and a half dollar movie that Universal picked up. I was offered everything in town. I turned down everything because I wanted to do my own stuff. And then the movie came out, which is where the line in entourage came from. Make sure you take your next job before your last one comes out. But that movie came out and didn't do business that people expected.

And honestly, I thought my career was over after making a living in this business for over a decade. I suddenly couldn't get a job when I had a movie in theaters. So I was thinking about law school right before entourage actually happened, which is pretty wild. So, so how did it all come together? Entourage comes together. Is it, you know, you meet Mark Wahlberg.

Can you tell that story? How it all the genesis of it? I mean, I know Mark for years before that. Steve Levinson is Mark's manager and was my friend from college. So what happened was, you know, pretty simply, I mean, two good things happened. The movie kissing a fool started out because these producers, good friends of my time and Dylan Andrew, they offered Mark the movie. And like an entourage scene, Steve Levinson said, the only way Mark will consider it

is if Doug Ellen writes it and directs it. Now I was, I was nowhere in nobody, but they were like, who the fuck is Doug Ellen, but all right, we'll, we'll meet him. They hired me and obviously Mark was never going to do it. And then we went in different directions. But so I knew Mark from that point. So entourage happened. Um, I had said, I had pitched a bunch of TV shows around and nothing was

kind of working and I wrote a curb spec. I just, I love the show and I wrote an episode. I gave it to a Lev who was my manager. He read it and said, you know, Mark and I had this idea that we thought would be interesting. And he told me, and I remember the day at Manhattan, Wontown factories up at him a place I said, that's the worst idea I've ever heard. And Lev, as he often did, said, you'll figure it out.

Don't home and think about it. So that's where it started. Interesting. So when you went out to LA initially, you were a standup comedian. I read that you got a job in a mail room, mail room at new line cinema. And I did, I did a short film while I was there that, uh, I did stand up to raise the money for that. Mike DeLuca, who was VP of new line at the time, now as an Oscar winning

producer, gave me money out of his own pocket to do this short. Then I went to the American film Institute and went from there. I've always wondered about those stories about the mail room because it seems like a lot of people get starts in mail rooms of companies that they eventually want to work for. Did you ever use the mail to control the narrative to like, you know, just slide something on somebody's desk? I honestly was there.

I mean, I wish I did, but it's, it's actually a weird circus. I was in the mail room for like less than a month. And actually I had a kind of, uh, a story where one of the VPs of new line ran into me spilled coffee on me when I was pushing my mail room cart. And said, uh, screamed at me in front of the whole place and was like, what the fuck are you doing me with coffee on me? And I just turned and go, what the fuck are you doing? Is basically what happened.

And then I looked around and go, I think my career is over. Fortunately, I had made some friends there. I go out and I make this short film with David Schwimmer and Ernie Hudson from Ghostbusters and a couple other people. And weirdly enough, a producer saw it and thought it was so good that they attached me to direct a real movie. So within that new line cinema was making. So within six months of being in the mail room in new line cinema, I was

back in Mike DeLuca's office attached to direct. I think it was the parent trap. And I was 22 years old, honestly had no idea what I was doing. No experience at all. Um, so I did not get that job. And then I ultimately went back to the film school. What was the moment that you knew that entourage was going to be a hit? Because I can't remember specifically, uh, how the first season then became

I just remember seeing on HBO on demand, like this new show called entourage watching the first episode and being like, holy shit, and watch the entire first season in one afternoon. Was there that feeling of everyone being like, Oh my God, this is a hit right away? Or was it delayed where you had to be like, okay, can we do this season? I mean, I'm the most negative person in the world. So, uh, you know, the ratings were just changing then because Tivo was

really coming into play. So when the ratings first came out and I knew what the sex in the city numbers were, I was like, we're done. It's over. So for the whole first season, while the show was going, I was living in a bubble, just trying to write and get this thing going. And I thought it was over. And it was really not until we were in Las Vegas, the second season

shooting, when Jerry Ferrara walked out at the pool at the Hard Rock Hotel and a thousand meatheads started screaming turtle. And I was like, what is happening here? It felt like a setup. And we actually were trying to shoot a scene and people were screaming turtle drama. And I'm like, what the hell is happening here? So I really lived in a bubble and, uh, I didn't realize, realized

things were working until that moment. That's interesting. And then, you know, the, the popularity catches on and you have a lot of fans that are celebrities, you know, people that want to appear on the show. Did you have a lot of people reaching out to you that wanted to be on the show and you're like, man, I really don't know how to weave this person into a storyline of entourage. To be honest with you, like everything on the show, a lot of people

thought there was a lot of product placement, but most of the products on the show were stuff that I used and that I loved. Same thing with the celebrities. If they reached out to me and I liked them, I figured out a way to get them in. Um, obviously you get a call from LeBron. You figure it out, you know, um, Russell Wilson, um, Mark Tashara. So, you know, I always, Tom Brady, when that, when that happened, which was the best story, but, um, you know, we tried to, to figure that out all the time

because the world is really like that, you know? And a lot of people were like, Oh, there's so many cameos. But, you know, when I was going to screen the movie, the first screening at Mark's house, I walked in and Kevin Durant's like sitting in a chair. Like it's, like it's no big deal. So that's kind of the lifestyle he was living. And I looked at it from that perspective. So what celebrity hits you up and you're like, fuck off, dude.

I, you know what, I don't think I ever said fuck off, but, uh, Kevin, I got Kevin Connelly off camera. He's laughing right now. You had to know that question was you, you left yourself open for that question. I did leave myself open, but I, I really, I mean, it's, you know, it's a question of more of like, was anyone trouble on the set? And the truth is they were all there because they wanted to be there. So we didn't have too many problems like that.

Way to, way to artfully get out of that question. I'll give you the real problem. Yeah. The real thing is we want to talk Boston, New York. The real biggest problem I have was Eli Manning. I mean, that, that was the only real celebrity problem I can come up with. Cause after they won the Superbowl that Kevin and I were at in Arizona. When they beat, uh, who'd they be Kevin, they beat the pages.

I know who the fuck they beat. So they beat, they beat the Patriots and my phone rings, my cell phone rings, and it's, it's Eli Manning. And he's like, it's my favorite show. I want to be on it. I'm like, well, then you're on it. So now cut to six months later, the giants are going to go on the following year. They lose to Minnesota, I think, but Eli does not call me back.

I've now written a script, which is easy as people think it is, whether they like the show or not, it's not easy to figure out how to make Eli Manning entertaining and interesting. So I write the script. I try to reach out to Eli. There's no call back. I'm calling his agents, nothing. I'm getting Jerry involved.

I'm like, you got to call Eli Manning and leave a message. So Wahlberg saved the day because he's at the office one day and I'm, I'm losing my mind as I often did. I'm like, I don't know what to do. We're shooting in three weeks. I don't know how to replace Eli Manning. And I think I had actually written it as, as Eli and Peyton cause his agent recommended that.

So I'm like, what are we going to do? Get the sharp brothers. The whole thing was written as these brothers and blah, blah. So anyway, Wahlberg comes in and he's like, um, what if me and Tom Brady do it? Like, well that, well that'll work, you know? So we brought him on and obviously I turned a lot of New Yorkers who were pretty angry with me, but as, uh, most people know, we had Gronk, we had Edelman and, and Belichick has obviously always been a hero of mine.

So now it's, it's tough for me. I kind of root for the Pats a little bit. So, so the script that Mark and Tom ended up reading that, that entire script was meant for Peyton, Eli. Well, I rewrote it as soon as Mark said him and Tom would do it. So, and I brought, I remember I brought Jerry and I said, Jerry, call like, call like the angriest guy you got from Brooklyn and say, what would be the first thing you say if you saw Tom Brady?

So Jerry called up his friend. I forget who it was. And, and I remember he's on the phone, real Brooklyn guy. He goes, uh, if you saw Tom Brady today, what would you say? And he said, suck my balls. So, um, so basically that's, that's where that whole thing came from. But we got them on and then, you know, we got Gronk and Edelman in the movie. So yeah.

I mean, table reads are, that's the new hot thing going on right now because nobody can produce anything out in the wild. You should get Eli and Peyton to do a table read of the script that you wrote for him. You know what? It's, it's Eli's, he's gone finally from the Giants. I can go back. I can be happy to root for Giants again. So, uh, you know, I don't want, I don't want to do that.

We might, I might get the guys to do a table read or something though. That'd be fun while this is happening. When you're writing, uh, you know, seasons in the movie entourage and you mentioned at the top, like six time Emmy loser, but you want an Emmy. How much of it are you like cognizant of the critics and how much are you writing it for? These are like my fans are the guys who are just watching guy relationships on a show because that's really what it boils down to.

You're watching it for their relationship. Yeah. I mean, look, the show, the show was really, that's what interested me about it. Not the Hollywood aspect of it. It was friends. It was like my boys in high school and how we grew up. So I try to do the best I could to make it feel like a group of guys, but I, the internet was just getting going then.

And I would look at message boards and I, and I did the movie from the critical perspective was not as well received as we all would have liked. And the world was changing a little bit, but I really, I took it to heart and I tried to get back to the feeling of seasons one and two and that. So I did both, you know, I, I, I mean, I wrote what I thought was entertaining, obviously, but I also was very collaborative with these guys and Kevin, who's sitting off camera here listening and judging everywhere that I say, I mean, he would call me and tell me what his issues are.

Just like the other actors. So I was, I was a pleaser to some degree, you know, Kevin, what was your biggest issue with the script when he first wrote it? That you, that you made him change because you're a diva. Yeah. Fuck it. No, I, he would say, what do you think? He asked me about one specific script and I was like, yeah.

And you would have thought he flipped out and you were on Sopranos, you'd be dead. Just killing you off. This is the Sopranos and you said that to David Chase, you'd be dead. Kevin said, you're not David Chase, which I accept at this point in my life. Did you ever think about killing off one of the characters? You know what I thought about killing Vince, um, to end the show. And you know, Mark, honestly, Mark was so great. And Mark said from day one to me, he said, just make it good.

And that's it. I'm not going to, you know, I'm not going to bother you. The only time Mark really sat down and was like, I got to talk to you is when I was going to kill Vince in the, in the serious finale. Cause we were, and by the way, that did come from some criticism I was getting. People were upset that the show got a little darker. People wanted to see the light. I'm like, they said, oh, everything works out. Every two seconds. As I said, they're not going to see this coming. And when fucking Vince is coughing, you're going to lose your fucking mind.

So Mark sat me down and he goes, we're going to make a movie. We're going to make a Broadway show. We're going to make an animated show. You can't fucking kill Vince. So that ultimately was probably the right decision. That's good executive producing by, by Mark. I mean, Mark was, Mark was the best. So we, we did a Mount flush more. So the opposite amount, rush more of, of TV characters.

And I had a take that was pushed back on very firmly by our producer, Hank, but I had to take the Vince sucks. Did you ever, cause he drives the story, obviously, but the, the story is about the three guys around him. Did you ever feel like he was the character maybe lacking the most depth out of the four of them? Yeah. I mean, it was, it was deliberately done that way. You know, and it would be hard to, it was kind of, it was kind of hard to, to take a guy like Mark where the show started a guy like Mark,

he doesn't really need this crew. So we kind of came up with a guy that would really kind of need that group. And we had discussions about it, you know, in episodes, Ari talks about whether Vince is that good of an actor. So it's always been a debatable issue. You know, to me, the biggest thing was Medellin. I thought the Medellin trailer was amazing and the movie Medellin was supposed to be a big hit, but the internet, they were like,

this movie looks like a fucking joke. So that's how I switched it to that, the movie bond. So things definitely did come out of what people were saying. Interesting. Yeah. That's fascinating. So what, what is your Medellin? What is the like passion project that you want to do? Um, you know, I don't know what the passion project I want to do. I mean, I was, you know, I was trying to, I had a Harry Tubman movie. I was doing long before the one that came out. I had Viola Davis attached.

My daughter was in school learning about her. That was a passion project that ultimately didn't happen. I worked on a, I did a pilot with, you know, Mike Tyson called the brick that John Ridley, one of Oscar wrote in Spike Lee directed that I loved. Unfortunately it didn't go forward, but we shot the pilot. It was great. We had John Boyega playing kind of like a young Mike Tyson, but I don't know. I'm like past the passion things at this point, you know, I'm just, you know, especially with everything that's going on, I'm trying to survive,

make sure my kids are okay. And that's pretty good enough for me right now. Gotcha. I, now that you mentioned it, like that would have been so reckless. If you had killed Vinny Chase, like the entire world would have been so mad at you. It would be hilarious. I wish that you had done that. Yeah. I mean, it would have, it would have been ugly, but it would have been good. Yes. It would have been an interesting arc. So you mentioned it, you know, the, the critics in the movie. Do you, when you have a movie that gets, you know, the critics are like, Oh,

this is too broy or whatever they say, do you still care? Or are you like, fuck that man? I'm successful. I don't give a fuck. Do you reach that fuck? Or like, you know, status? No, I mean, my money's okay, but I care. I care a lot. And I'm sensitive to that stuff. Doesn't mean I grew with it. And by the way, you know, as I said, going back and looking at the show, I was going, where did Vince even come from? From my head? Cause he said, you know, early on, like the first or second episode with a bad review,

you don't take the good ones and you don't take the bad ones. So, you know, the New York times said we were the best show on television for the first two seasons, you know, out of dramas, comedies we were listed as number one. And then people said the movie was so bad. I don't, I don't really waste my energy trying to figure out how to take it. I think the world was changing. I think guys talking like that sort of went out of favor. And all of a sudden girls started talking like that. And that became the thing. But I thought the movie,

if you liked the show, you would like the movie. And, and, you know, there's exit polls that they do out here. And that weekend, which I remember, you know, Spy was the big movie that weekend, but we, we actually got a higher exit poll than they did. So I don't, I'm not a big fan of the critics, but you can't take the positives, you know, and then ignore the negatives, but they hurt for sure. You know, but you, you do, you say like, you know, guys don't talk like that anymore. But you got the one thing that I didn't say, I didn't say that.

I said, people don't want to see it. Talk like that. Yes. Guys still talk like that. Yes. You're absolutely. By the way, you guys, you guys have done great stuff that you've kind of gotten back to that. And the truth is entourage got back to that. Cause when I was growing up, it was porkies and animal house. And that kind of went out of favor. And entourage is before the hangover, which Mark always used to say, those guys owe you a billion dollars. That's what Mark used to say to me.

But we were before that. And, and when I pitched the show with my feeling was, is forgetting all the Hollywood, hopefully that'll be interesting. But this is going to be guys talking how I know that guys talk. So of course guys still talk this way. And, and my defense of these four guys were five was that they were really, they were all good guys and they were all about each other and they weren't predators. They weren't this. So, you know, you can take it or leave it, but that's what it was.

So what's your favorite like guy lingo line that you love that like still exists in lexicon today from entourage? I mean, you know, listen, I even watching the show the last few days and it doesn't make me uncomfortable, but there is stuff that I realized. I'm like, I mean, there's no way I would hand that in to the female executives, which by the way, that's who I dealt with when we were doing the show. But you know, I take pride in even your boy who attacked me by the way.

I don't know why, but the guy comes out, uh, Portnoy comes out of a fucking Pete, comes out of a fucking pizza place and is like, I am Queens Boulevard. And he's like, can we talk about how overrated the writing is on the show? I didn't even know that one pizza review. I'm like, you're quoting something I wrote 15 years ago and you're trashing me, but you know, I love that line. Do you, do you cringe or like when people say hug it out bitch?

I love it. I mean, I love it. I love sports center. I still hear Johnny drama victory and you know, and Kevin, Collie and Dylan and I were doing a podcast called the victory podcast. So I love it. And I love the fact that, you know, when that happened, I kept saying to Dylan every day, I said, say victory again. He's like, why don't I keep saying this? I go, cause it's going to become a thing. Cause I knew it would. So I feel obviously some pride in that. And obviously Kevin had a lot to do with

that as well. What about baby? Unfortunately, Connolly never got a real, uh, come on, Sloan, please. No, no, it's his, his, yeah, his tagline is Seth Green, right? I mean, like tell Sloan, I say, hello. That's pretty much his tagline. Um, so yeah, that's interesting about drama. When, when he was saying baby bro, was that something when you wrote it, you knew that he was going to say baby bro over and over again, or when he said it, you were like, that sounds awesome.

You know, we talked about this on the podcast, but like when you get the actors, you start, you know, going into what you see in them and Dylan was so great. So there was just so many things to add to him. He just brought a lot of, you know, empathy to him and everything that came out of his mouth. So yeah. How, how weird was it to, uh, direct your own son? Cause your son played Ari Gold son in entourage, right? Yeah. Yeah. You know, it was great. Those are special memories, you know, and I didn't want him to be an actor. I didn't want him to be in the business,

but he would hang around set and pivot and him would just start improvising. And he was like seven years old and everyone was like, you know, just put them on. So I did it. And, uh, it was a lot of fun. So it sounds like you have some personal history, some personal beef with a lot of people here at Barstool because there's Dave. And then that's it. Who else? Well, there's, there's somebody that you might not even know that you have beef with, but your biggest fan probably here is Glennie Balls.

Glennie Balls loves entourage. You've probably seen his burger reviews with a ball scale, but you blocked him on Instagram like five years ago. He doesn't know why to this day you blocked him and he doesn't, he swears that he was not trolling you in the comments. So I have, I have to ask you one, do you remember Glennie Balls too? Do you just have an itchy block finger? He's got an itchy block finger.

By the way, Kevin Connelly blocked me on Facebook when I told him that he was not going to be available to direct the scene at Yankee stadium when we were shooting it. So Kevin knows about blocks. I honestly, I get, I get, and so does Kevin. We get in a lot of fights on Instagram with the comments, but I do not remember that specific thing, but he probably knows what he's saying or maybe I did an accident. Can you unblock him right now? He's a sweetheart. Yeah. He's,

he's the biggest fan. I will unblock him a hundred percent. And by the way, Portnoy, I was a fan of his. I just didn't know why, like I would watch a pizza review and all of a sudden start getting abused. Yeah. That's a ricochet shot. That's a big time. It's GLE, NNY, BALLS, Glennie Balls. As soon as we are done, I will, I'll do it. I don't know. You're not going to do it.

I swear to God, I'm going to do it. Do it now. Absolutely. The unblocking. Do it. I know I'm going to get nasty messages or something. No, no, no. He'll be, he'll be tickled pink. Hold on. I'll, I'll FaceTime him right now so we can do a cross stream. There we go. By the way, I was going to send you guys some ping pong video of me beating Gronk pretty, pretty handedly. You, you kicked Gronk's ass and ping pong.

Uh-huh. Can I'm ready to come on there and kick anyone else's ass? I can't relate. Yeah, I mean, Glennie Balls fan page. No. I blocked that one too. I'm blocked that one too. I didn't even know that. Wait, you blocked Glennie Balls's fan? The fan account? No, no. That's what came up when I typed it in to find him. Wait, Wes said it to me. He's probably taking it now.

Yeah, he's so peaceful. Please be nice to me. I'm too old to get abused anymore. He loves, he's like the biggest entourage fan in the world. He's back. I'll talk to him today. I'll tell him I love him today. Okay. That actually makes me feel good. He's not, he's not picking up, which sucks. He's big timing us.

Yeah. He's big timing us. Maybe we'll block him now. Fuck that. Do you, do you feel like George Clooney also owes you like a billion dollars because of his tequila company from the storyline? He stole it from the storyline you wrote in about Turtle? No, no, no, we, we, those are my best friends who had a tequila company, the OVO and they sold it for a couple of hundred million dollars.

And, and Mike Meldman started that with George was a good friend of mine. I actually saw his son an hour ago. So I'm, I'm happy for them and God bless you now. I hope they make 10 billion. Yeah. Um, hey, by the way, have you ever thought about doing a spin off? I think there's been rumors about an Ari gold spin off, but we got a different spin off for you. I forgot we even pitched this, but Jimmy Petro are a good friend out in LA.

We pitched him this idea and entourage for bloggers. I like it. I like, but that, not a spin off though. You mean with a whole new cast? Yeah. A whole new cast. So I guess it wouldn't be a spin off, but it would basically just be us hanging out, doing nothing. Yeah. It could be easy to manage me. Yeah. Yeah. Or maybe I like it.

I like it. Maybe we're the bloggers leave negative reviews for Vinny's movies. And then they go team up with the bloggers and they're like, Hey, you think you can do a better job. Let's see you try. Right. And then we write the absolute worst movie that's ever been made. Well, the second to you wrote fat, you know, fat beach, right? You wrote fat way to second. I was 21 years old. I got hired. I mean, I, and I rewrote it and I rewrote it and it still plays. Chris Rock used to make fun of that and stand up.

So I feel good about that. But we shot that in nine days when I was 22 years old. Ph with a ph fat beach. That's pretty impressive though. I did not come up with that title. I did not come up with that idea. I just was a guy who got hired to do it. Well, you'd rather have a movie that's like so noteworthy in how much people hate it that they talk about in standup routines and one that nobody ever sees. Right.

I a hundred percent, you know, I was paid $11,000. Blocked account. How many blocked account? Let's just say I'm still, I'm still scrolling. It's a lot of, there's a lot of nasty people out there. I'm sure you guys do it. How many Emmys do you have to win to stop blocking people on, on social media? How many what Emmys do you have to win to stop blocking people on social media? What's the threshold where you're like, I'm unassailable. You know what? It's, it's not even that. It's just some people.

I mean, there's crazy. I had a guy last week who I think he was actually suing Mark also about bowlers, but this fucking lunatic actor, Keith Middlebrook, starting a fight with me on Instagram. So I, I wrote some shit back. Fuck you. And then he started writing about Corona cures that he had. The FBI arrested him last week. Google it. I mean, the guys, the FBI literally house and arrest him. So don't fuck with my Instagram. The FBI will show up afterwards.

You and Big Ben probably blocked most people. Yes. Yes. I mean, if you block gunny balls, that's so you guys do not block anyone. I'll block spammers, like straight spammers that aren't actually commenting that are just spamming their own links underneath like tweets and Instagram. That that's pretty much it. Right. I'll block a spammer, but I won't block if it's actually like a robot, like a very attractive woman commenting under an Instagram post, like click here, I squirt, drop, drop, drop. Right. I'm going to let that play.

That plays on my page. Right. I want the rest of my followers to be able to see that and click if they choose to. Right. I'm not trying to cock block anyone. And also it's good for my image if people see that and they're like, wow, look at all these totally real women. Yeah. All these squirters. Yeah. You guys, you guys are young and hot right now. So you get, you get good stuff out of all this stuff right now. I don't, I, you know, I'm sitting in my house.

I don't really want to be abused by some asshole on the internet at this point, you know, but what about the squirters? My girlfriend's sitting here. So I, I don't even know what that means. All right. All right. All right. Yeah. Good answer, Doug. You don't know what it means. Speaking of, of girlfriends, I always wondered when I was watching entourage, like, was there a clock, an internal clock that you had every time a guy got a girlfriend? Like, okay, you have to figure out a way for them to break up so we can introduce another

attractive woman to the show. I mean, you know, even looking back at the show, it's funny that they talk about all the sex in it. I mean, I'm through like the first season. There's not that much sex in it, you know? So we made the place to look good, but there were good looking guys as well. So, uh, we didn't have that, but we did have someone, a Boston guy, Jay Ginoni, who was Walberg's buddy. He used to, he used to wrangle all the good-looking girls at the clubs to get

extras for the show. So that was his job. And, uh, he was pretty proud of it. That is, that is the perfect job for somebody named Jay Ginoni is to be Mark Walberg's guy that goes out and finds hot chicks at nightclubs. Yes. Yeah. What was his business card? What did it say on it, Kev? He had a business card back in the day. It says, not you, not you, not you. My last question has been awesome. You know, when you, when entourage became very popular, it was on HBO streaming services have

taken over. How do you think you would have done if it were like the Netflix era and you had a lot, maybe not more to deal with, but there's just so many things on Netflix now. Do you think you had the same breakthrough success? My feeling is we would be bigger now. Social media didn't exist. Social media didn't exist. And we, I think, you know, we're a much younger show than most of the stuff on at HBO at the time.

And we still, you know, we found our audience and I think it would have been something that spread a lot through social media. It's also tricky though, because if it came out on Netflix, it sounds like, you know, for better or for worse, you listen to what people say about the show. You can take that constructive criticism when it's not just like people being assholes and you can, you can kind of adapt with that. What do you got?

No, no, I'm just saying, like if it came out on Netflix, you wouldn't be able to get that constant feedback because you just dumping all these episodes at once. It's probably a good thing. I look at everything like it was, it was, you know, it was meant to be, it was the perfect timing. I mean, HBO was really the only game in town at that point. I was the king of it. This wasn't a show. You know, in fact, you know, the executive the night before called me up to tell me like to get ready for some really bad reviews because they usually do smart stuff at HBO.

But, uh, forks and the critics were good to us for a while and you know, it was a good run. Wait, there's no, there's no blocked Glennie balls. Oh, wow. Okay. We might get a lot of fake news on, on our side then. What, um, what, what did you win your Emmy for?

When the garden was eating. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's right. I was just reading because I didn't realize I should have introduced you. I didn't realize you, you were the screenwriter for bad, bad Santa too. I should have introduced you as the screenwriter for bad Santa too. I actually ended up not, I was not. Oh, yeah. Stone ball for a minute. My good friend, my good friend produced it and I was writing for a bit on it, but I, we separated and went separate ways. I have not,

I don't have a syllable in that script. So what, what are you working on right now? Right now I'm working on a new show with Thierry Henrietta's football player. I can't say soccer over there. Um, and another pitch, which, you know, kind of leans into your blog or idea a little bit. So the French entourage, if you get something like that, but a little different. Do you, I, my last last question,

could you go into any like studio meeting and just be like, uh, entourage for Nebraska and people would be like, okay, in. Definitely not. Definitely not. You know, it used to, it used to, listen, it used to be like that because everybody used to sell shows. It's entourage here. It's entourage there. Then as I said, the world started changing and entourage somehow got revisited as, the show about a bunch of assholes who chase women, which it never really was, but, um, it's a little, it's a little,

you know, PC right now out of, out of favor. So, entourage for Deloitte accountants. Yeah. It's sick. It's going to be a sick show. And I would sign that check. I'd be like, let's go. Absolutely. Big money. Yeah. You guys can, you guys can fund it soon. So, you know, you, you guys keep rolling like this. I like what you just did a second ago and you're like, well, the other thing that I'm working on, it's, it's funny. It's actually kind of similar to what you guys just pitched me that I said,

I would never do. Yeah. That's nice. You've been, you can't sue me. You guys are totally fucked now. You can't. No. Well, guess what? We won't sue you, but we'll start, you know, fighting with you and Instagram. And we know that's actually way worse than soon. Yeah. We're just going to have our lawyer Mike Portnoy comment on all of your Instagram comments. Don't have Portnoy come after me by the way. I'm a fan of his. I don't think, I don't think, I don't think we can control that. Yeah.

But we can control his dad. So you're screwed. No, I think he'll be okay. He'll be okay. Um, well, thank you so much. It's been awesome, man. We really appreciate your time. Thank you guys. I appreciate it. Good luck with what you're doing. Everybody loves it. So, okay. Thanks. Awesome. We just so we're clear. Don't comment about squirting videos in your, in your Instagram. I'm dead. No, don't do it. Bye guys. Goodbye. Don't do it.

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additional terms do apply. And now let's get to Ryan Jensen to talk about Tom Brady's butthole. Okay. We now welcome on a special guest. It is starting center for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Ryan Jensen, who has been in the news recently, and we want to talk to you about that. So, uh, you tweeted out about how Tom Brady was showing you how to fold your towel to minimize the ass sweat that you have when he's

got his hands under your ass. Now, I would say the first question is, are, do you normally have a sweaty ass? For me, I'm not, I'm not a big time sweater. I'm not a, I'm not a swamp ass guy. Uh, you know, even though I'm, I'm three to 15, you know, I'm a relatively non-sweat guy, but, uh, apparently I sweat too much for Tom. Okay. And so, uh, how, like when he tried to tell you that,

was he like, Hey man, this is going to be a big sticking point in our relationship. Like you're sweating too much. Yeah. Literally the first conversation I ever had with Tom Brady after he, after he signed with, with the Bucs was, uh, you know, we talked life and stuff for about five minutes on the, on the first phone call. And then it was straight to, Hey, uh, I need you to shove a towel down your ass. So, uh, you don't get my hands sweaty.

That's perfect. So how particular was he when he was telling you how exactly where to fold it over, what size towel works, how many towels work, like how did he get into the details with you in the mud? Yeah. Yeah. He, uh, it's, it's actually funny. A lot of people are asking about that picture that I tweeted, uh, you know, I tweeted about it and was like, you know, folded this way, this way. Everybody was asking is that the actual conversation that we're having right

there. And that was literally the photographer caught us having the conversation about how to pull the towel and, you know, how far to put it down my pants and then how much baby powder to put down my crack. So, uh, yeah, I mean, he was pretty particular about it. And it's got to be, uh, a good, a good sized hand towel. You know, you know, one of those big towels that you see on the sideline. Okay. So it's like a hand towel. Then do you fold it hot dog style or hamburger style?

Like, does it go all the way through the front? Could you floss with it? Yeah. Yeah. He, uh, he, you know, you, you folded hamburger style first and then, you know, hot dog style and then, you know, shove it down there, you know, get it, get a nice and deep like, and, you know, throw a bunch of powder down there. Yeah. So is this now, uh, like when you, I'm sure there's, oh, actually, you tell me, are you a player who gets like anxious before a game? Like, you

know, you hear sometimes like, Oh, they'll have nightmares or there's that, you know, nervous energy that rushes through your veins before a game. Do you have that? Uh, not really, you know, I'm a little concerned about the whole towel thing. You know, out of my ordinary, you know, now it's like, you know, I got to get the statement whole, you know, three minutes earlier to show the towel down my ass and, you know, that might give me a little bit of anxiety. What, what has it, uh, been like though, honest question about like,

how many times you've worked out with Tom? Like, have you, you know, have you guys hung out, out, outside of, uh, just working out or like, what has that been so far? Yeah. You know, we've, we've had a couple of FaceTime calls and stuff, you know, you know, talking about details of, you know, how he likes things done, how I like things done. Um, you know, I've only, I've only worked out with him, uh, I think twice now. So, uh, you know, I haven't really had a good chance to, you know,

sit down and hang out with him yet, but, uh, you know, I just got back to Florida on Monday. So he listens to this show, you know, I think we think when Julian Edelman makes a listen to the show. Yeah. You know, I don't know why he wouldn't listen to it, but. So do you want us to cut out that part about you saying he was too old? Oh yeah, definitely cut that out. Okay, done. Hank, make sure there was that. And then this part explaining why we're taking that out. Um, so maybe one thing that you could do, because it's got to be different.

I would imagine it's different running around, making blocks, you know, getting all your footwork right with, with a towel inside your butt crack, as opposed to just going free ball, going commanded with no towel. So this summer, are you just going to like load up your butt with towels and just walk around the house, get some extra reps in maybe wear the extra towels. And then on game day, you only have just one. It's like, uh, it's taking cuts with the leaded batting doughnut. Yeah, exactly. You know,

I'm going to, I might, you know, wrap some sandpaper in the towel, you know, just to really get that, that shaping, you know, get that callus built up that way. You know, when it's just the towel, you know, it's, it's, uh, you know, smooth like, like cotton on game day. It's like a pillow. Yeah. Um, do you think that you could tell the difference between Tom Brady's hand, Joe Flacco's hand, because you were on the Ravens. Um, James's hand, he's got small hands. That's the small one. And then Ryan Fitzpatrick's hand.

Yeah. I mean, there's, there's always, there's always a difference, uh, you know, Fitsy, every time he would get under center, you're not going to give a little, little, little bit harder of a tap, you know, you can always know when a Fitz was, was getting under center, but, uh, yeah, you definitely can tell different people's hands and stuff like that. As weird as that sounds, you know, got a very sensitive, uh, uh, undercarriage. Yeah. Who, who was the most like caring and sensitive when they would get under center? Uh,

most sensitive. I don't know. Probably, probably Joe because he never actually really got really that far in there. You know, he was, he was almost like a low backhand placement. So I'd say he probably the most gentle. What, um, how many of James Winston's 30 interceptions last year, would you say you were responsible for? Honestly, I think probably, uh, one or two. Okay. Okay. So he really only threw 28.

Yeah. You know, you know, put it that way. I snapped the ball early, uh, in the New Orleans game at home. Uh, I snapped the ball early and Mike wasn't ready to run the route. And he tossed it up and ended up being a pick. So I'll take responsibility for that one. Okay. Did you make any tackles last year? I think I had one tackle. Uh, I'm pretty proud about, you know, I had, uh, I think six bumble recoveries, which, you know, it isn't a great thing, but, you know, I was, you know, a ball hawk. Yeah. I like that. That's huge. That is huge.

Um, you also, there was a couple of times you got into it with James on the sidelines. What were those conversations like? Yeah. You know, James, uh, I love James first off. You know, me and him are really good, are really good friends. Our kids are really good friends. You know, uh, both, we're both a little fiery and, uh, yeah, it was just, you know, I got a personal foul on the, you know, on the famous one and, uh, you got a personal foul and, you know, each kind of went out a little bit, uh, you know, little FU, little FU, you know, it was, uh, it was pretty good.

Were you on the team when James did the E to W? No, that was, I think the year before I got there. Shit. Uh, would I talk to any of your teammates about that? No, I, you know, you did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you did. No, a lot of guys were like, you know, not necessarily taking out a context, but they were just going to like, uh, yeah, that's just James though. James is a, is a clown like that sometimes. And, uh, you know, he is, he really is a good leader and he gives some, he gives some off the wall

speeches, but, uh, you know, it's always meet, meet for the best. That's for sure. He's a future Hall of Famer. He is for sure. Yes. Confirmed. Bruce Arians. Bruce Arians. Do you have a good Bruce story about the first time he walked in camp? Did he cut anybody for parking in his, in his spot this year? No, uh, he, he didn't, but, uh, somebody actually did a young, a young kid, uh, parked in his spot. And I was like, I walked in and he literally just got there. It was like halfway through the year. And, uh, I saw this random car parked in VA's, uh, parking spot. I'm like, this is about six o'clock in the

morning, maybe a little bit earlier. Like I've never seen that vehicle before. I've never seen VA getting that, that truck before. So I went to the locker room a quick. It was, it was literally some rookie that, you know, was on the street that they brought in like week 12. I'm like, yeah, you might want to go move your car. Your ass might be gone. Yeah. That's a trigger for Bruce. He's the man though. We love him. We went and interviewed Bruce at his house in Georgia. He's a, he's a pretty good guy to hang out with. Oh, no doubt. Yeah. Um, all right. I had one last question and this one, uh, people are

going to probably be like, what is he asking? But, uh, Steven Shea, who's the biggest bucks fan in the world, our coworker, uh, asked, would you like to be his friend? Sure. I'd love to be Steven's friend. Okay. All right. Love, love to be his friend. I don't know about love. I would like to be, you know, maybe acquaintance is more than friends. Do you, did you meet him when he came down to the bucks facility last year? I don't think so. I think I saw him there. I don't think I actually met him

though. Yeah. Um, because I just, I love Steven Shea, but the pictures from that were very funny because it felt like he was, um, he was on a make a wish, uh, tour. And, uh, I just want you guys to all like him, you know, and be friends with him because he loves you guys so, so much. No, yeah. He's always, he's always, he's saying a couple of different things on Twitter. Oh, yeah. He said anything bad. He said that you got the Steven Shea breakdown treatment after week nine. Did you get bad breakdown? No, it was good breakdown. I think, I think we won that game. You know, I

was chasing dude's ass. So, you know, okay, they're at, you know, it made me like him. Not, not to add it more anxiety because you have Tom Brady sweat, butt sweat anxiety, but now just so you know, Steven Shea is watching every game very closely and film breaking down. So if you make a mistake, he will find I'm here for it. You know, okay. You don't want to challenge him. I, I'm sharpens iron. Yeah. Mr. Biscay's never been the same since Steven Shea broke down that film. It's very true. He also said that you're a big meat guy. What does that mean?

Like cooking meat? Love, love cooking, cooking steak, smoking brisket, smoking, anything you throw on a grill. Yeah, that's, that's for me. What's your favorite cut of steak? I'm a, I'm a ribeye guy. Nice thick cut ribeye. You know, that's good choice. If you had said sirloin, I would have absolutely questioned your credentials. Yeah, I was probably one of them. All right. Well, thank you for joining us, man, and best of luck this year and best of luck with, I don't even know. Do you have you guys heard anything?

Tell us some inside news, like when we're going to have sports back. Yeah, they really haven't told us anything. I don't really think anybody knows what the hell's going on. To be honest with the NFL, you know, there's others, all those rumors going around about, you know, playing in empty stadiums and stuff like that, which would be weird and weirder than hell. But it'd be awesome for you, I'd assume. Yeah, it'd be great for me because there'd be no crowd noise. Right. Right. You got to be kind of rooting for that.

Oh, I have one last, last question. Yeah. Were you guys aware of my dog when he was talking about Gronk coming back? Uh-huh. You didn't hear about my dog. Okay. Have you. We can cut that part out. Have you met Gronk?

I haven't yet. I think he was down here last week and I just got back this week, but I think he's moving down. I think he's actually going to live pretty close to where I'm living at. So, you know, I feel like a block party. Yeah. LMFAO. Make sure you got that on your, uh, on your Pandora list. Mm-hmm. Definitely. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you so much, man. We really appreciate it. Best of luck. And hopefully we'll talk to you during the season. Perfect. Sounds good.

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slash PMT. Okay. Uh, let's finish up the show. Let's do it with our documentary review. Uh, we reviewed this week, the dude, perfect documentary, titled back stage. It took us backstage on their pound it noggin to him. So, uh, which we all know that's how they sign off in their videos. They pound it fist and then they go noggin for the headbutt.

And then they do a quick prayer, hoping that every that Jesus will look over them while they shoot a basketball into a hoop. Uh, I was shocked that Rob Geerdek was the executive producer. That was my first note. I feel like Rob was very hands off with this documentary. I think Rob was like, I will put my name on it and give my production company to it.

And then I will collect a check. This, uh, so, I don't know where we want to start. I'll start with this. Okay. To understand dude, perfect. You have to understand. We should put a disclaimer. What's the disclaimer? The disclaimer is that I don't want to come. Personally, this is how I feel like I don't want to sound salty. I think like, no, the hustle is respectable. The hustle is respectable. The grind is respectable.

It's good for them that they've all provided for their families and made a lot of money. So like there's no knock there. Right. We'll get to all of that. I think that's, that's part of the review because it does get into like their family life and a little bit of their backstory and all that. Um, but it sounds like Hank is about to rip him a new asshole and wants to, I'm just going to be honest. You made me watch this documentary. That's my whole thing. It's like, I go out of my way to avoid, right. No offense. Good guys. Good for them, providing for their family. Like I respect

the hustle. I respect the grind. I respect how much money they made. Good for them. They sold out stadiums. That's crazy, but good for them. This is, and I don't mean this in a bad way, but when you ever think like, you're like, you know, your college years, you're like, what would it have been like if we didn't drink? Just watch this. Exactly right. Like if we didn't, if we just never had a sip of alcohol and didn't talk to girls, what would my college life have been like? Dude, perfect documentary.

Because you have to figure out how to pass those hours by throwing, football balls at each other in your living room. You get home from class. It's five o'clock on like a Friday. Most college kids are like, okay, let's empty the K grader. Right. And that's not a bad story. It's not a bad thing. Most college kids are like, okay, it's time to party. They all found four other guys that were like them, didn't want to drink and we're just, they're like, Hey,

let's just be goofy instead and come up with these weird games that we can play together to pass time. And they get one thing I'll say about them. They have managed to get to stay pumped their entire lives, their entire adult lives. They're always amazed when, when anything small happens. If you were to flip over this can of pure or this bottle of Purell right now, they're in and land it and land it. It's like, Oh, even if I had missed it, they'd be like, Oh no, you didn't make it. Like they are living in the moment.

They're doing a good job of that. But to understand, dude, perfect, you have to understand Texas A&M culture. Right. These five guys are the most Texas A&M people that you will ever see in your lives. This is like, they are the poster children for weird Aggies that graduate wear their rings all the time. They even the biggest trick shot, dude, perfect ever made was the five of them all having kids at the exact same time. All their babies are the same age. They nutted the sperm, hit the egg,

and they were all like pounded noggin. Noggin. Yeah. I've, I've always said Texas A&M's biggest rival is against fun. So it makes sense. Like, you know, you go to Texas A&M and you wear your class ring and you do trick shots. I also, is this the Southern thing, but calling a basketball hoop a basketball goal? No, that's an old, old person thing. But they're like, they were, that's just a Cody thing. 20, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Should we, should we rank them by the way? Let's do it. Okay. I actually like tall guy.

Yes. I also think the tall guy has a little look. He kind of in like a different light looks a little bit like Chris Bryant. So I guess I had. Yeah. When they were showing Chris Bryant, right? At one point out, I thought there was two Chris Bryant. Right. I had feels for, for Cody. Cause I was like, I fucking love you, Chris Bryant. And it was like, wait, that's not Chris Bryant. That's Cody. We were actually right. I wish, I wish we had recorded our session when we were like trying to, you know, like completely playing the breakup of dude. Perfect.

But the one, the neat freak, like they were like, he, Garrett, you could tell that they were like, they were too nice. Obviously, they didn't go any of the, the feuds or the hatred that they definitely all have for each other, which is fucking annoying. But Garrett, they alluded to him not like, this is like Michael Jordan dude. Perfect. Made their own documentaries. So we, we have to read between the lines a little bit. They alluded to Garrett, not like liking being around cause they're so messy.

I have a feeling that Garrett definitely hates the rest of them more than, well, the others. Like he, it's more than just the tidiness. If you look at the nicknames and the personas behind all of them, you've got the twins, very clearly the twins one and twin two tall guy. He's tall. That makes sense. You got beard guy. And then you have the purple hoser and that's Garrett and Garrett's only personality trait besides being clean is that he,

he decided to wear purple. He likes the color purple. He wears the color purple a lot. I like him. He's okay. I actually think that tall guys should have been the beard. Oh tall guys should be the front man. Well, I mean, if we want to talk about, if we want to talk about Tyler, we can get to Tyler in a little bit. Has there ever been a more obvious thing than Tyler's dad being their agent? Nope. And Tyler's dad rocking like a backwards hat and under armor type

t-shirts all the time. This all makes sense. Okay. Yep. It was, it was so obvious. It's like my son is going to be the star because he's got the beard. Everyone loves his rage thing that everyone talks about. Rage monster. We got so many emails about the rage. Tyler saying we're fucking keeping it when Tyler was like, probably the most popular thing that we do at Dude Perfect is when I do the rage. Yeah. When everyone's like rage monster. I, uh,

I know that we've joked about them before, but I, I don't think I ever really learned their names. So when I saw the intro and it was truly like Cody, Kobe, Corey, I was like, wait, am I being pranked? Like this actually is their names. Okay. Tyler and Garrett. Um, the, all right. So my biggest take, uh, well, I did love, I, and I'm not, I'm sure people will get mad at this. I'm not a religious person, but I did love the religious circles. Like they were going to war when they were

just like jumping around in like sumo suits, but to each their own, not going to, not going to judge them on that. Is there, is it Christian only? What dude? Perfect. Like, I feel like as a, as a Jewish person. Would you feel comfortable attending a Dude Perfect show? I think I would. I'd have no problem. I don't like religious people, no matter what denomination, but I'm whatever. I teach their own people should be able to do whatever they want. They seem all like future youth pastors. Yes. Summer camp.

And to be fair, they're really good with kids. Yes. What were the twins names? Cody and Kobe, Cody and Corey. I think the biggest Kobe and Corey, Kobe and Corey, which is the one that had Bell's palsy? Whereas face went numb. Twin one or twin two. Cause I actually liked that. They creep me out. He's the best of the two twins. You knew we were getting a good documentary when the guy was like,

the first time I met Kobe and Corey is when I went to their house and they were learning the soldier board dance, a projector. Yes. And instead of leaving, running away and never coming back, he was like, and we're best friends for life now. I was just like, Oh my God. You see that clip of either Cody or Corey when he was like 11 years old, playing basketball in his driveway and doing like the, and one style dribbling. I would just based off that, I would have walked away from that person for forever. I would have.

Yeah. Imagine swatted that shit in college and walking into a room with two twins with bowl cuts, doing the soldier boy dance. I mean, kind of cool. I'd be like, these dudes are sick. All right. So my biggest takeaway, and this is where I probably deviate from you guys, but it's a perspective thing because I used to think it was the lamest thing ever. And now watching this documentary and being a dad, I'm like, you know what? It's clean fun. And someday like my son might be like, I want to go to a dude, perfect show. And I'll be like, whatever you want,

like to make you happen. Like it's, it's, but it, but I'd be fine with that. Like I, I actually, I think two years ago or a year ago, I'd be like, this is so lame, but watching it and seeing who it's for, I think the, the, my original hate for them was like, are we, if we're competing for the same audience, how the fuck are people picking them over us? Even though we do different things. But then I realized like they're like a kid show and it's, it's, you know what? I'm not going to hate on a kid show because

kids show like it's fun. They make people happy. They make people smile. It's not for me, but I'm not going to hate on them. I, I kind of fall into the same camp as big cat and I, I came out of watching this understanding dude. Perfect. They started doing this. Oh, hey, so, hey, listen, they started doing this to pass the time. They turned it into a very lucrative career. It seems like they've got a fun job that they like going to when they're not hating the beard guy and his dad for running everything.

I think that what they're doing is a net positive. I, I cried during this movie. You did. I cried in the scene with the kid that had leukemia. Yeah. When they went to his house because he couldn't come to the show. All right. They, hey, listen, they went to his house, Hank. He couldn't go to their show that night. It's a good show, man. They did. Why the fuck are we watching it performance for him? And then they FaceTime.

The last two movies I've cried in Forest Gump in like 1999 and dude, perfect noggin pound it in 2020. I, I teared up during this movie. Dude, this is what I'm saying. I didn't want to come across as a hater of like, I do perfect. Good for them. Fucking making bank doing their thing. Awesome. Cool. Sick. However, if I have to be forced to watch it, I'm not going to like hide the fact that it's, I was cringing out of my skull and it was just so like they're just, yeah. See,

I, I just, I get it. I get it. And it's like they're making money. So I understand it's like good for them, but it's just like, it's good, clean, fun, cool. But when you watch it, you're still like, what? Like who are like, why am I watching? They're Nickelodeon. They are like the, like, like when they show Russell Wilson, I'm like, there's no better pair than dude, perfect and Russell Wilson. It's good, clean. There was no moment that any of them were like university. Like that was hilarious. Like there was no, there was no substance in the movie.

It was just like, wait, whoa, whoa. They're constantly stoked. What about when Kobe hit the fly off the orange juice? Yeah. That was the entire movie. Got it. It was like, wait, wait, wait, boom. Or what about when they put peanut butter and jelly on that guy's, on their like dad's face and then put the bread on? Like last dance, you know, they were watching a documentary. There's, there's X crucial moments in the, in the season that, you know,

made, made everything happen. There was no substance in this entire documentary. It's just like we made videos, we came popular and then we got sponsors and we sold out. Wrong. Hank, they said, I will say their office is unbelievable. I don't want to sell it. I don't want to sell like a hater, but I can't sit there and watch it and not be like this. I hate this. I hate this. I hate it. They had a choice to either, either die or grow and they grew.

Right. When they said, we're going to do stereotypes. Yes. And then Beardo's dad was like, okay, my son gets to do all the stereotypes and he gets to introduce everybody. And he gets to be the rage monster. He gets to sit in the middle. He gets to rage in every single one of their stereotypes. Every situation needs a rage guy, obviously. Rage monster. Um, I thought it was funny how, how before every single show that they did, they get stressed out about something and what they were getting stressed out

about was always so hilarious. It's like, Oh, our T-shirt cannon isn't going to be able to hit the dunk tank unless we change our drone battery. Right. Right. There was like so many Kobe's been, Kobe's been really cold from three on the oversized rim today. Will he make it in prime time? Uh, there was one, I think we're absolutely right to say that it was a Garrett, Tyler, the Beardo, Tyler, Tyler, that there is absolutely some animosity towards Tyler.

When purple guy, the purple king, Garrett was sitting down, they did like a double interview as him and Beardo. And Garrett was like, you know, it's crazy when the cameras come on, Beardo really always comes out to shine. And you could read him between that line and be like, he does not like Beardo and thinks that Beardo is a dick when the cameras are off. And then when they come on, he's then all of a sudden he's Mr. personality. Right. Right. And I mean,

credit to them for, for making money and, and, and doing the whole thing. I, where I find my final answer on dude, you made hundreds of thousands of people watch this documentary. How do you feel about that? That's my question. Okay. I'm going to tell you my final thought on Dude Perfect is this. I think it's good, clean, fun. I understand. I understand now it's a kid's show. It's a kid's show. Okay. It's a fucking kid's show. Like eight year olds looking on YouTube. Like if my son is,

he shows me when he's nine years old, like check out this dad. I found this. I'm like, good. Cause I'd rather you watch this than whatever's out on the fucking internet. You know what I mean? Like this is the good, this is the good path for like a regular young kid to be like, Hey, these guys are funny. They're goofy. They like pie each other and shoot threes. But if you're going to be like, but little cat, no rage monster. No, but here's, here's my caveat. Here's my asterisk and then you're going to be like, guys, here's my asterisk. My son just rage monster. Do I,

do I still knowing that knowing everything I just said that I'm actually like in favor of good clean fun and it's endearing and all that shit. If you ask me, do I, am I, is there a small part of me that's rooting for one of them to get into like a huge sex scandal or a drug running scandal? Of course. Cause that would be hilarious. Who do you think is the one that's most likely to get caught up in, in some mischief? Tyler's fucked all the way or purple.

I think what if the twins are fucking each other? That would be fine. That'd be fine. That'd be good scandal. Although it was incest legal in Texas. Yeah. Okay. Yes. Then don't college station. Yes. I think it's yeah. So maybe not that, but like, as long as you're related to the sheep, if one of them had like a tiger woods, ask like, he's fucking, he's fucked like a thousand milfs on the road. That would be hilarious. And was, was there ever a more obvious black leather or black rubber wedding

ring guy than Beardo? Yeah. That was him and Andy. No, from the start. Yeah. Um, I, I noticed that Drew Brees didn't bring his daughter to meet them backstage. I saw that. I made a special note of that one. Um, yeah. Here's the thing about them. They try, they started out going for a similar audience, I think, to what part of my takes audience is. No, but they, no, they tried. They tried. No, no, they tried to, and then, and then they're like, Oh shit.

They put a fucking video on YouTube. Why are all these kids watching this video to their mom and dad? And they're like, mom, look how hard we worked on this sick ass trick shot video. And then it got picked up, which good for them. Not hating. Good for them. Forgetting the views, but they did not go into it being like, we're trying to fucking bros are going to love this shit. Let's go back in time. We put out our first episode of part of my take. For some reason, our entire audience is nine year olds. Do we then,

do we then cater our show? It's a nine year old. That's what I'm, I guess that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I would. Absolutely. Like, I don't, that's what I'm saying. I'm not knocking them because they made so much money that if I had the opportunity to make as much money as them and I had to do what they did, I would do it 10 times out of 10. But if I'm subject to watch their fucking show, I'm still personally as a 26 year old, not going to like it.

And I'm going to be like, this is cringe. It is funny behind the scenes how they, they try to do their version of jackass, but it's jackass for youth ministers. Right. Right. It's like, Oh, we just print this out of you because we put up, but we put up all your old high school pictures in the dressing room before the show. Right. It's gotcha. Once you realize what they are, you, I just can't hate the way I thought I hated them because I just, maybe I'm soft. Maybe it's the dad. Yeah. No,

it is. When they're start talking about their son, you know, they're kids and I'm just like, Oh man, like, I kind of get this. So yeah, I think that they're good people that are corny or shit. So do you guys feel bad for bro sweet now? No, actually we should bring bro. What about when you bro sweet it in their face? That was pretty sweet. What if your son was like, Oh my God, like, look at these guys. They hate dude. Perfect. And you're like, that was me. Yeah. Well, you,

I, I hope my son's smarter to not be like, who's that random dude that looks exactly like my dad? I think, Hank, I think that, uh, we can keep the rivalry going. Yes. Oh, I don't, I don't like dude, perfects content. I understand them and they're not bad guys. And they are good. No one ever said they were. They're good nerds. Yeah. Exactly. They're, they're, their office is sick too. Like, listen, when you have the spectrum of nerds, who would you rather have dude,

perfect or Darren? Dude, perfect, dude, perfect. Like they are nerds. That's the most loaded question you could ever have. You could put anyone on the other side of there and there's really no one that would be like, Oh, Darren Revelle, that's the spectrum of nerd. There's the nerd that just well actually is everyone's life for a living. And then there's the nerds that do trick shots and to have a Nickelodeon show. Now, if you were to ask me if that spectrum continues, it's like Tim or our dungeon master or dude, perfect. It's Tim every time.

Yeah. Because Tim is actually not really a nerd though. He's a fucking G. He's a huge new G of a nerd. He is the nerd. He is cooler than all of us. I love him. He's still a nerd. Okay. But he's cooler than all of us. But he's still a nerd. Man. I'm using the word nerd for Tim, not in like a bad pejorative way. Okay. He's a G. Say it. Tim Woods is a G. Another one of my favorite parts was reading the little screen caps of the Yelp reviews that they would put up on the, on the screen or like the Google reviews

for the live performers. That it'd be a bunch of like 45 year old woman that would review and be like, that show was lit y'all. Yeah. Like using 1990s early 2000s rap lingo to describe dude, perfect going out there and like smashing a banana with her foot. I'm just getting myself set because I think if they stick around for the next 15 years, I will someday have to go to a dude, perfect show. And guess what? I'll hopefully get backstage backstage passes.

So my son thinks I'm a hero. I did. And I did think like, I did have that thought again, like I'm not trying to come off as the biggest hater in the world. I did have the thought where it was like, I think I went to fucking like Disney on ice as a kid. Like I probably would have liked going to do perfect more. Exactly. But I still hated watching the documentary. That's like, that's my takeaway. If you were nine, they would be the sweetest bros in the world. Right.

And I think big cat also says that because they are the complete opposite. They're fans are the complete opposite of Callie teens that he's afraid of. Oh yeah. Callie teen would not be caught dead at a dude. No, cause they're real ones. No, Callie teens would smoke weed and then listen to us and be like, I could bully all of them. Yeah. Um, all right. That's our show. Great show. We'll see everyone Tuesday. Have a safe weekend Memorial Day weekend. We'll see you then. Love you guys.

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