Pardon My Take - Finals Preview, NBA With Ryen Russillo, SCF With Keith Yandle, Thibs Fired Plus Listener FAQ’s

Episode Date: June 4, 2025

The Knicks move on from Thibs and it may be Jay Wright time (00:00:00-00:15:43). We talk about our favorite bets for NBA Finals Game 1 (00:15:43-00:16:19). CJ Stroud isn’t throwing at OTA’s and we gauge the level of concern (00:16:19-00:23:18). Hot Seat Chill Throne including major drama in the Chess World and Max caught a hot dog (00:23:18-00:48:45). Ryen Russillo joins to talk NBA Finals, Knicks firing Thibs, NBA Finals ratings, SGA and more (00:48:45-01:44:32). Keith Yandle joins the show to talk SCF, who has the advantage, being teammates with Jagr and Biz getting gout (01:44:32-02:14:02). We finish the show with listener submitted FAQ’s and lottery ball machine (02:14:02-02:31:41).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take

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code TAKE. New customers play $5, get 50 in bonus picks instantly. Ride the upside only on DraftKings pick six. The crown is yours today is Wednesday June 4th and Tibbs you fired. See ya. You're fired. See you Tibbs That was the news that we had today Tom Thibodeau out as Nick's head coach After one of their best seasons in the last their best 25 years five years Is that Jay Wright's music I think I hear Jay Wright what do you think Jay Wright so here's the thing about Jay Wright he is a great great college coach the guys that they have on the Knicks right now I don't

know that they would get along with Jay Wright mmm I can't see that work like Jalen Brunson do you think that Jay Wright is capable of getting the best out of him after what we saw in these playoffs that's good question I do you think that Jay Wright is capable of getting the best out of him after what we saw in these playoffs? That's a good question. I don't know. Max, Jay Wright to the Knicks? In what world would that combination work, Max? This is bad national sports podcasting.

This is the first name that everyone that he has as many connections to a team as you could possibly have outside of which I would think it'd be very funny if the Knicks just hired Rick Brunson to be their coach so outside Rick Brunson He has more connections deeper connections than anyone else out there in the coaching pool Jay Wright as the Knicks head coach would be fantastic Max he doesn't want to coach He doesn't want to coach. He doesn't want to coach? He doesn't want to coach. Why not? He's retired. He's retired from coaching.

I don't know how many times the guy has to say he's retired from coaching. Oh man, I want it. People never change their mind. I want it so bad now. He's not. I just watched the Brett Favre documentary the other day. People changed their mind. Yeah. And people are scumbags, not Jay Wright. No. Oh, you know who would be a good fit too. If we're just going to toss names out there. Mm hmm.

Patino. Oh, doesn't have to move. Rick Patino. Doesn't have to move. Patino, Patino, Patino. It is. It might be a lesson from Tibbs that maybe flying too close to the sun can be a bad thing. Yeah. Like they they accomplished a lot this season, right? It was a great season. We established that on PMT that this season was not a disappointment for the Knicks. No. But then you get that far and then people start asking questions. Is this the guy that can even get us farther? Yeah. Tibbs is also he's kind of he's kind of like a hardball. He's a long lost hardball brother where he's just so obsessed with with the sporty coaches and Really more gym not John cuz John's been there for or sorry John

Yeah, John's been there forever with the Ravens But remember when like the 49ers and Jim Harbaugh split up and there's like this guy's a really good coach. What's happening? It's like sometimes you just run out of gas here. This happened to Tibbs in Chicago run out of gas here. This happened to Tibbs in Chicago, Minnesota, and now New York, Minnesota a little different, although people are making the joke that Cat has gotten him fired twice, very mean joke. Yeah, very mean.

But yeah, maybe it's a run its course kind of firing because Tom Dibbido is a basketball mastermind. He is pushing his guys very hard. He's so addicted to the game He was engaged to be married and broke it up six weeks before the marriage when he was like 24 and said nah, honey It's basketball and then he's never been engaged since yeah, so I mean this is what Tibbs does he will play starters He will play them long minutes He'll exhaust them and then he'll make people that are watching the game second guess every small move that he makes because he very rarely

does make these little tinkers to his lineup. So when he does do something, then everyone's like he's making the wrong choice. Yeah. And then you have to blow it up. I uses his challenge too early. We've, I mean, we said it a million times, but if you're a coach of a professional team, you just can't mess up the small things because idiots like us sitting on the couch, we can't, we can't tell you, oh, well, they should have run a different set in this situation. But we can tell you, Hey, dumb challenge, dude. I do not have a timeout here. Yeah, we're really good at watching sports on TV, which is something that you never do. You don't watch your own games on TV as a coach. You

watch the film afterwards, but you miss a lot of the stuff that we see. He's a great coach. I don't know if he's gonna coach next season. He might just be an analyst. He might be on TV somewhere. T.M. on TV would be great. Might have him doing a podcast.

I don't know, but this does feel like a move that the Knicks would make knowing that they've got a guy that they want. Yeah, can I throw out something for Tibbs? Maybe a trip to Turkey. Maybe coach in Turkey. Maybe a coach in Turkey, trip to Turkey, get the new hair, come back a different guy.

Is he going bald? Just a little. I think it's one of those situations that if they catch it now, it won't get bad. Nobody will ever know that he was balding. If he waits five years, it might be a situation where he does actually get bald. Yeah. If you get the camera angle on TV from the stands that shows the bald spot, the tiny bald spot on the crown of his head, um, that would be a bad look for him. So I don't want it to get to that place. Uh,

memes, Nick's fan, how are we feeling sad, happy, angry, J right? You pick. Those are the emotions that I need next. Those are pretty much the four. You could be either sad, happy, angry or J right? I'm in the sad category. Okay, not in the J right? Will you get to the J right? I'm moving I'm moving towards the J right. Okay, nice. That's kind of how it goes. Don't don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened. Yeah, I mean I do feel like Jay right is the perfect fit, right? Yeah

Yeah, I would say so fits like a nice tailored Italian suit. That's a shame He doesn't want to coach anymore. He is he is built for the bright lights in New York City Once you as a Villanova fan want to see him reunite with the Villanova players? Yes, seriously. I'm just saying he doesn't want to coach anymore. Oh you know, oh you know. But would you be happy if you. You're speaking for him? Coach for the Knicks. Oh wow.

You'd be happy? Huh? You'd be happy if you coach the Knicks? He doesn't want to coach. That was not the question. Oh wow, so J.Wright can't even, you know what. Would you be happy if he was the coach for the Knicks? No.

Okay. You know what? I'm actually going to say J.Wright probably shouldn't be the coach of the Knicks because Max is the one who has to talk for Jay. I can't even speak anymore. Yeah Max where are you getting this information from from him. He said this happens every single time there's a coaching vacancy. Everyone screams Jay Wright has it ever happened every time I don't want to coach anymore question question. has it ever happened for a job where? What three four of his three of his players?

Are flourishing in the professional league and also for a job that he has said on a certain little podcast named Pardon my take that if he had to pick any job in the NBA No, we didn't ways you got a grown man clip play the clip play the clip Play the clip put the clip in this ball. I called the clip He's smash. We didn't even do gun to his head. No We didn't at all we didn't even have guns at that time in our career. It was in New York We got I actually did have a gun. Yeah I didn't really illegal gun. I forgot about your gun. Yeah yeah okay this is us what NBA team would you like to coach kind of kidding the Knicks oh right to the next

nothing like oh hmm he just said that he pulled that one out himself mm-hmm All right, you want to make a bet on this podcast no, I don't like to gamble That's what I thought I would make a bet soul patch No You already have a soul bad put your money where your mouth is max But the money where the mouth is Bitch either way we're ready for the finals. I'm ready for the finals to start. I am too. I am too.

It does. I feel bad. I don't feel bad for Pacers fans. You got a great team here in the finals. What a year for you so far. But it does seem like everyone's just taking a giant dump on the Pacers before the series gets started. Yeah, it's hard. The Thunder just so good. It's not like a dump on the Pacers. It's more

The Thunder are so good. Yeah. Yeah, Hank you picked I would love for it's on this podcast. Yeah Mm-hmm. Are you gonna pick the Pacers? Nah, I know that's kind of how I that's ex you're you're the way you said that is exactly all I feel where it's like I've enjoyed watching the Pacers so much this run and I want to pick them But goddamn it the Thunder so good feels like the Celtic series last year except the the Mavericks were better than the Pacers like people were a little bit higher on the Mavericks We and they got under better than the Celtics last year this thunder those Celtics No, no, but it'd be good Thunder better than the Celtics last year? This thunder, those Celtics. No.

No, but it'd be close. Guy for guy. It'd be a good matchup. Guy for guy. It'd be a good matchup. Who would you have? Ah, it'd be a good matchup. I almost got him going back to guy for guy.

You know who thought about it for a second. The great team reminds me of is the Celtics. Is that wrong though? I'm gonna allow you to say it. Like you had a great team last year I don't know if these are really good. Yeah, so I'm saying people, you know Luca Dan like there was there was there was some Hype for the Mavs. They got blown out. I feel like there's less hype There's less hype for them the Pacers and it's just gonna be they might win one big boys gonna lose in five. Yeah. Yeah

is a gentleman sweep if they win the the Third game of the series third game. No, they win the fourth game of the series. So it goes 3-1 I always just I always thought it will gentlemen sweep is for one overall for one overall, but I always thought it was the Whatever whichever one. It's the the home team kills them first two games go back to the other other arena They give up the third game or fourth game one of the other and then it's over I think by the letter of the law is the fourth game it is okay But I I feel very comfortable saying it's the third game too. Yeah, either one one of those games where it's like I Considered the Thunder gentleman sweep these gentlemen gentlemanly swept the Timberwolves

Yeah, that felt like a gentleman sweep. Yeah, I think it's I might put money on on a general five game series Yeah, yeah, I was like in five. I would be good pacer's inside. I might go both Yeah, gentlemen sweep one just ended in five might parlay it both of them No, I think what about what about the the Mount Rushmore parlay? Just both teams sweep. Yeah, just getting to Mount Rushmore season as fast as possible See, that's why I want this series to I want I want sports to keep going for as long as possible Yeah, I know baseball is here. He's very much baseball But it does feel like you know when you have the NBA and the NHL going to me it also kind of

feels still like an extenuation of the NFL and football season because they overlapped yeah so once we get done with this then we've really turned the page now we're in no man's land yeah waiting for it thunder in six that's my official I got thunder and five Thunder and five. What do you got Hank thunder and five? Max what do you have thunder paces or Jay, right? Not Jay, right. I have Pacers in seven Pacers in seven

Why would why do you hate the notion of your favorite coach ever getting a job? Some of your favorite players. I can't I don't understand. It's crazy. He said he doesn't want to coach anymore No, but that I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about why you hate the idea of your all-time favorite guy making money I He's a hat he you don't want him to be happy right now. He's happy Well, I want him to be happy with his life. I want to be as happy't want him to be happy right now. He's happy. I want him to be happy with his life I want to be as happy. I want to be yeah right now. He's happy okay. Let's say we're in a world world where Jay, right? Absolutely, he would love this next job. It would make him so happy

But it wouldn't but what if it did what if it made him so happy it wouldn't it wouldn't like so He would just come back to coach for Villanova. At the same time? Sure. If that were the case. If he could be the Nova and the Knicks coach at the same time. Wait, but you wouldn't want him to come back to Villanova because he's happy right now. Yeah, because you wouldn't want him to coach.

No, but then he wouldn't have to move. He'd have to move to New York. That's a whole thing. It's a whole thing. Yeah, so far. So far. Yeah, no. Who would do that? Yeah. So far. He posted

a picture at a bar, at a nice little music bar in my hometown on Sunday. He's happy. So here's a guy that lives near Philly. He likes going out drinking with the boys. And you think in no world would somebody that lives in that town that likes to drink ever moved to New York max He likes he's happy he's happy where he is You guys don't want to be happy by the way for game one on Thursday night. We do have a parlay We're gonna put up Hank we want to read it out here It's gonna be on DraftKings high High stakes drama, insane buzzer beaters,

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PFT has Crucio 15 plus. Oh, we're naming names on the pick. Points rebound assist. Okay. Love that pick I got ain't no stop and it'll be topping 8 plus points Love that one big cat has Chet over 27.5 points rebound assist great pick. I think I think it'd be a big and then Max Delente has Siakam over 19 and a half points. Oh That will be a plus 1200 parlay Boys, let's get spicy. Let's get spicy and we're gonna talk hockey with the ends I had a couple other things before we do hot see cool chill throne

Should we be worried about CJ shroud So he's not throwing at OTAs that's his but he his arms sore he plays quarterback he plays quarterback That's his job to throw. Yep I'm not I'm not worried about him yet. Okay, but I am worried that I might end up worried about okay It's pretty worried. I'm worried that I'm gonna be worried about yeah, I think they call that anxiety. Mm-hmm It's weird, right? It's this come out of kind of nowhere. Okay get a surgery So we have a surgery if if I were CJ Stroud what I would do is I would talk to the coaching staff and be like hey, my arm is still kind of fucked up right now.

Can I just not be at OTAs and you'll say it's excused? That way we won't have to answer any questions about whether or not I can throw. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. That makes perfect sense. I don't know. Maybe he needs to just go to Egypt.

Just in general, like Aaron Rodgers did? Yeah. Just check out the pyramids? Yeah, because you don't have to throw when you're in Egypt that's a good point yeah yeah I am I'm definitely anxious about it if I was a Texans fan I would be worried yeah I would be you're not you want your quarterback to throw ideally yep yeah we also had Frank Ragnau retired for the Lions. Big, big loss for them.

He was an awesome, awesome player. Feels like he was at a point where just the injuries and just getting up for the season, like reading his letter, he's just like, I wanted to play, but I just couldn't get there physically. I feel like he probably kept the Lions informed about this. I don't think that they were super,

they're obviously not excited that he's retiring, but I don't think that this was like a shot out of the blue. Right, but it sucks for the Lions. That's a big piece of their offensive line. He's a great player. Oh, Max pulled up, there's no concerns with CJ, said Texan's head coach D'Amico-Ryans. It's just general Soreness.

We're taking every precaution with him, but it'll be good to go. No concerns on my end there. General Soreness, how old is he? Like 24. Buddy, you don't know about General Soreness. No, I live with General Soreness. That'd be my rank in the military.

Went from Lieutenant Soreness to General Soreness. Five stars, yeah. The double no concern from D Soreness to General Soreness. Five stars. Yeah. The double no concern from D'Amico Ryan's makes me concerned. Not worried. Yeah. Saying not worried repeatedly. And he said, there's no concern for CJ, no concerns on my end there.

Let me ask you this, big cat. If you were to redraft that NFL draft right now, you taking Bryce first overall, knowing that he's dealing with General Soreness? Is Bryce Young throwing in OTAs I think so. Okay, you could call it through whatever he does. Yeah that yeah, he's doing that. Okay Start the debate. Oh wait, we got a OTA footage showing big refill Can I say something about the X the everything everything app? It's all happening on X? Yeah, because free speech is back.

The search function is dog shit. It's pretty bad. Oh my God. I'll look for something and it will just be a completely different thing from years ago. Yeah, you can look for something. You know exactly what it is. Yes, and type it in and it still won't appear.

I can look for something on there and it will be like a highlight like a sports highlight and then in the third Option for what comes up. It's just a Nazi. Mm-hmm. It's crazy or someone like a Russian soldier getting hit by a drone. Yeah, do you see those drones by the way? Yes Sam's trunks damn saw those crazy shit three billion in damage Okay, so see this shroud is throwing in OTAs And you see that spiral that was sick that looks pretty good people are asking the question These are awesome Hank. Yeah your boy

Stefan digs mmm at OTA. Yep. He's on my cool throne. Okay, we can get to it love Well now love just more outside of the OTAs, but he looks good at OTAs for a guy that tours ACL. Mm-hmm. Yeah Everyone looks good. And he's and he's got you know, it would be awesome locked down Yeah, someone's just like love his back. Their beat was just this guy sucks at OTAs Yeah, like I watch all the OTAs and he's garbage. He's got a nose for the goal on the day. They played a they did a drill with no no defenders. He's dog shit. Yeah, I mean, we don't hear that from OTAs very often. Look at these clips of digs. He's catching everything balls.

gonorrhea. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, Cartes. You're jealous. Are you jealous? Oh, it's the other girls Those those little biddies they had to clap But he does their Instagram official now. No Yeah, look at that. It's good. So you know if it worked. Yeah, the strategy worked. Yeah, it work. I Please stop showing the video the to see it's making it's giving me flashbacks to see I want to go back to Panama To see uh, okay. Let's do yeah Let's do hot seat chill throne and then we'll we'll get to our interviews our big-time previews with the ends in Rossello

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Thank you to body armor. Our wonderful sponsor, Hank. What is your hot seat? Chill throne. Thanks to body arm. My hot seat is Magnus Carlson. Yeah. Yeah. He lost to current world champion. Oh, he's got it. He's giving us some chill. Nice. Yeah. Electrolytes. Uh, he lost the current world champion who basically he's, he's like Prince. He doesn't know he just has one name. Yep jukish jukish jukish And then he had a in chess. This is chess obviously for you was a jukish doctor who? Aware of who Magnus Carlsen is he was chess prodigy

Lost to jukish. Wait, wait, wait, wait, you kind of glossed that over with Matt. He's not just a chess prodigy, lost to Jukish. Wait, wait, wait, wait, you kind of glossed that over with me. He's not just a chess prodigy. He is the best chess player of all time. Yeah, true. And kind of than Bobby Fischer? Yeah, by the ELO numbers. Oh. Yeah. What about the girl from that documentary?

Queen's Gambit. What's her name? Queen's Gambit? Anya, what's her name? Queen's Gambit. Anya Taylor. She was good, I mean, especially in a time when they didn't let women into Russia that that was impressive

Yeah, but Magnus Carlson is I think by the stats the greatest chess player of all time while also being the bad boy of chess Yeah, he's bad boy of chess. He got banned from jeans jeans wearing right? Yeah, they lifted the band Because he was wearing jeans for the cuz the anal beads He was I think he beat Magnus This is some good chess talk, but he lost a juke ish and a violent violent outbursts slammed the table One super viral so everyone's talking about it So he's on the you know he's he's the greatest chess player of all time according to PFT But everyone's talking about how he lost yeah, he had a blunder so he knows this is a new there's a new video Oh, he lost again. Oh, he blundered again the same guy

Are you sure that's no we wins we have wins? No, it's we won oh No Magnus he blundered we did 24 minutes ago. Oh, no Magnus and it's a new video and he's washed Should we get blum it? We got you'll come out. Yeah, he knows chess. I want to know so the other one was uh He I guess he blundered and he knew he blundered and he just had a slow death Like ten put did you guys see the extended cut of the clip where there was a full crowd there? No, I didn't so funny. Can we pull that up? We're now

Zack this is a big moment for you Find us Magnus for I don't think the search is gonna work. I don't think this is gonna work. Oh No, it's it's the other angle. It's on the other side Didn't lose again. He lost again. She doesn't have a breaking wash lost again You know what's crazy about chess is Like the grandmasters the people that compete in these top-of-the-line tournaments You know how much weight they lose during a tournament how much they lose like 15 pounds over the course of a tournament just because their Their bodies burn calories because they're so stressed out during the matches. I believe it. You just sweat the brain. I

Believe it. Uh That I'm gonna get this clip the brain. I believe it uh That I'm gonna get this clip for you. Don't you worry? Zack we kind of put you on the on the hot seat not the chill throne here also Max Taking him a long time to get out there right. I think you stopped by the bathroom He definitely stopped by and grabbed some food if he comes back with Cheeto fingers He's he's eating on the john right now i'll touch a right talk i gotta shit this bad energy out of my system uh uh okay let me find it wait so so magnus lost again and bluntman's coming in to tell us what happened because this is crazy i guess he's supposed to be the best and he keeps fucking losing I'm gonna say right now Magnus not the best because I have been watching chess

religiously for almost 48 hours now and all I've seen is Magnus loss. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, Beth Harmon. That's what that was her name goat That's what they do though. That's Harmon. Yeah, they they whisper your successes and they shout your failures That's a fact facts That's so you're gonna see clips of Magnus losing because it's a big deal when Magnus loses and guess what? He's a bad loser. You show me a good loser. I'll show you a loser really bad loser Alright Max, I sent you the clip. So play that clip play play like halfway through. So the best part about this is that I didn't realize it when the clip

was going viral, there was a full crowd there and they didn't know when to like clap. And then after all Magnus like, you know, kind of freaked out, they did finally clap. But it was funny because I assumed no one was in the room when they were doing this. I thought chess was played in private. I assume no one was in the room when they were doing this. I thought chess was played in private Apparently there's it's not yeah. No, it's a spectator sport Go go forward in the clip max. Maybe give us some audio, too Okay, so this is Magnus he's gonna make this move Oh, no bad move And Magnus makes another move I I don't know. Oh, got him.

Oh my god. It reminded me of that. Remember that Vikings fan video? Yeah. Oh Troy. This guy almost feels bad that he just beat Magnus. He kind of, Magnus kind of stole this guy's moment. Ready?

Oh, just brush past it. No one knows what to do. Yeah. Right? Like, what do we do? What do we do? Yeah, he feels bad that he beat him. And there's just a bunch of people there.

There's just a bunch of people there. He was, Magnus was so, so like demonstrative with his losing, he, the crowd didn't know to clap or not. I'm just gonna say it. I think Magnus is gonna come back stronger. I think he's washed. I literally, he's, he has never won a chess match as far as I know.

This is a man that's gonna, he's gonna be studying the film on this and you're gonna wish that you never beat Magnus. Do they just tie a bunch? Yeah, there's a bunch of bunch of ties. Yeah draws Yeah, I was gonna say like if you're that good a chess you should never get beat So they also score how good of a chess player you are based on what the perfect move would be at any given time Let's be real AI is the best chess player ever Alan Iverson. Iverson really good crossover with his rooks. Yeah

What do you got max? Blutman left, but I do have him on the phone right now and he is giving an explanation. All right, tell us Blutman Explain what happened today You're live to tape on part of my take I'm in the elevator. Yeah, I can hear you. We need a Blutman live from the elevator. He's just lying. That's a smoke detector. Oh, we may have lost. Yeah, we lost him. I mean, I told him that he was going back that he went in the fact that he went in the elevator when I, when I told him that he was about to come on is that is a crazy move. Great chest recap. Yeah. Well, he, okay okay. I he gave me the recap

Do you want me to give you the recap? Blotman from an elevator to max yeah max here And that's it yeah, no he lost again today and the guy that beat him also lost today Oh, okay, so so he washed Well, that wasn't really a recap That's a recap literally just saw the bracket, but if he didn't lose yesterday would he have lost today? See these I want That I wish he wasn't in the elevator

I also want to know how did he lose like the one that went viral on Sunday? I just call me back. It felt like he was he lost Blotman blot You got to do it. Uh, how did he lose? How did he lose? Is that the question? Yeah. Was it embarrassing? Was it embarrassing? Magnus blundered today. He can't believe it. He made a weird like shaking of the head after he blundered today. What did he blunder? What did he blunder? These are chess X. I asked if chess is ball. Did you hear that question? Okay, okay

Okay, okay, you have like backgammon checkers that's all in the brains category Can you ask me if jukesh is just not is he the goat? No jukesh lost today? So yeah, who's the goat now? So yeah, who's the goat of chess now? No, he's No getting upset with you. He's only lost lose some time. You're getting upset with him. He's only lost. How could they possibly be getting upset?

Magnus is the go-to chest. He's been world number one since 2011. Well he loses all the time. He just keeps losing. When was the last time he lost before this? When was the last time he lost, Blotman? Wait, can you hear all this? The butthole guy.

I can only hear the empty bumpers. No, it's the Queen's Gambit. Okay, when was the last time he lost? Boy, he lost today. No, before today. Sunday! Two days ago. Okay, before that. Before that.

God damn it. I have no idea. I only am cognizant about the world of chess when I see these big tournaments going on. I'm like, ooh, that's kind of fun to see. Because I like the chess beefs and the chess like over reactions are some of the funniest things Yes, alright so he's not really a chess expert. This was the worst chess recap of all This was a good chess, this was a good chess dog Yeah, yeah, alright. Thank you Bloodman

Like remember a few moments ago Nope, no. We don't remember, we don't remember any of it We used to wear jeans Oh yeah, he's talking about the jeans. Yeah. Okay, um, alright, we're done with chest talk. Thank you, Blutman. Okay, thanks, bye.

I mean, we're... Dude loses non-stop. I feel confident in my take saying he sucks. Hehehehe. As far, no one can show me anything else. Alright, okay, you know who's a loser is this Jukish guy. Why? Here was his-

Well no, he beat Magnus! But here was his quote, you tell me if this is a quote from a loser or a winner, okay? He called it his lucky day It was just clearly lost so I was just trying to make moves which are tricky for him and luckily he got into time Scramble 99 times out of a hundred. I would lose just a lucky day It's kind of cocky first classical win against Magnus I mean not the way I wanted it to be but okay I'll take it so it sounded like Magnus one Magnus lost on time I don't know if he

father time is undefeated I don't know if he's a loser he just he sounds like someone who got lucky it's kind of sick like an honest person yeah he's just like yeah dude I'm not that good Magn Magnuses that really just shows you how bad Magnus is now. He's got guys winning on luck You don't win on locking chess Not my chess. All right, your children. My children is why I love Cardi B and Stefan. Mm-hmm Instagram official that's huge right before the season. Yeah, don't have to worry about Instagram official that's huge right before the season. Yeah, don't have to worry about Outside activities. They'll probably just hang out, you know watch movies together at night get well rested

Super chill and snack wrap snack. Yes. There's on mine as well. Snap rack is snap rap It's snack rap. You got it back. You have it snack rap is back snack rap is back Did Jerry have something to do with this? Yeah they put it in their video and then I think like one of their directors of marketing said like his tweet his original tweet From a few years ago was in a lot of their slides and all these meetings. Oh hell yeah Elite shout out to Jersey Jerry. Yeah Popeyes is doing this is not crap to with the spicy chicken Snack wrap needs to be true. It's double bad. Yeah. Yeah, someone from McDonald's Your tweet has been in many slides in many meetings. Thank you for pushing us Snack wrap needs to be back. Yeah, it's true. It's double back. Yeah, yeah. Someone from McDonald's says,

your tweet has been in many slides in many meetings. Thank you for pushing us. You won. See you July 10th for a snack wrap. Hell yeah. They gotta give him a free snack wrap. Right? At least, yeah.

He's got to. Yeah, his tweet was from 2022. I know I'm not the only one. Do the right thing for the people. We miss the snack wrap all of us He's right. You do we all miss it. Uh, okay. Good job Hank. Thanks. P.t. My hot seat is Unfortunately Max Homa. Mmm, although Max put up a great performance. So he competed in the US Open qualification process to get into the tournament.

He carried his own bag and the longest day of golf. Is that what they call it? Yeah, the longest day of golf. Hank, golf's longest day? Yep. Which is how many holes? 36. 36, which is how many rounds?

Two. Okay. Nice. Max was playing to qualify for the US Open. Also, in his qualification group, the group that was playing in Columbus, it was just, it looked like a PGA leaderboard. It was like Ricky Fowler was there, Cam Young was there, a lot of great players. Max unfortunately lost in a playoff, but I did like seeing Max carry his own bag. But it was weird watching him wear shorts. I think he should have worn

pants. Now he's got to find a new caddy too. That's right. So he fired his most recent caddy. Okay. So who's he should have worn pants now. He's gonna find new caddy too. That's right. So he fired his most recent caddy Okay, so who's he I believe who's out there who's available? I don't know bones bones Jersey Jerry Hank no Hank spoken for Hank is spoken for I'm pretty sure did you not split a split with his caddy Billy Hark Bill Hark I'm pretty sure did you not split a split with his caddy Billy Hark Bill Hark

Okay, listen just a minor setback for major come back. We're gonna rebuild. Yep. He did show a lot of grit out there Carrying his own bag. That's I I like the format of the US Open where you can compete in anybody off the street Yeah, it's awesome. It's very awesome, and they did like a high school kid that got in really yeah, that's sick He was like 18 under in two rounds. Holy shit now. Are you keeping your own score? It's very awesome, and they did like a high school kid that got in really yeah, that's sick He's like 18 under in two rounds. Holy shit now. Are you keeping your own score? Yeah, always there was a kid. There was a kid Who finished his first round he did well? He's like a truck driver He went to go He like him and his dad went down and got a bite to eat

Forgot to turn his scorecard in by the time he realized it went to turn his scorecard in the group behind him had turned theirs In so he got disqualified didn't get to play the second round That's bullshit. Yeah, so yeah, the scorekeeping is very very important. Is there also That type of bullshit with golf. I kind of like I also Forgetting to turn your scorecards a wild move he's a truck he did yeah but that's just so that's a wild move like you have to yeah someone that was that was Monday I think is the Twitter account Monday Q info that the guy like just tracks all this stuff but he there was some jokes and replies being like you know you think as a truck driver they

would understand how to get packages to places on time But that's a good humor. That's a good G but he was just you know I got swept up in the moment and it was he said he was eating like 200 feet Away from the scorers place. He just Shove his mind Max Homo will have Lance Bennett Alright, what do we know about this Lance Bennett guy? He's a fucking stud. I love him. Yeah Just growing home shit. Yeah, he a stud. Ready to go. Oh he was on Colin Moore Kawa's bag. Mmm. Nope. No. Nope. Nope. Bennett was working for Michael Thorberg Jensen, but Thor hired J.J. Jackovich as his full-time swing caddy. If you're scoring at home, JJ

had been on Colin Moore, Kyra was bag until Joe Grineer left Max for him. What's a swing caddy? Your Hank. Hank for you. Yeah, no, Hank's CEO of golf operations. Oh, hell yes. I'm putting together staff. Yeah, we're doing a series of mergers right now. Love it Are your children max's director of nutrition? Nice. Can I get a spot? Yeah, what do you want to be director of? intimidation Sure for PFT golf in a problem actually I could do that. Yeah, I figured shit talking. Yeah talking Yeah, like I'm in compiling dossiers on everybody that I'm competing against. I'm in I'm in get in their heads hundred percent Okay memes your director of memes

Zack your director of to see If you can get me to see I can win this whole fucking thing and then then I'm buying a million dollars with a to see We'll see what we can do for you on that. All right. Okay. I got you. All right. All right Love that you're on my to see t. He just delivered you to see yeah, and you've done a great job with the ice cream. So hmm. We'll find out So do you want a to see topping or no? I think to see is the top over the ice cream. Yeah for the ice cream. Yeah. Yeah Yeah And then my chill throne my chill throne is being romantic about baseball.

So I want to confess something to you guys. I went to the Cubs game on Saturday and I felt very romantic about baseball. I love that. But then I feel guilty about being romantic about the Cubs. Well, we're playing right now. I know, but what I realized, and this was all subconscious, I went home that day I

Watched the Nats play watch the entire game then on Sunday. I watched the entire Nats game and Also Sunday morning. I bought a shitload of Nats merchandise. Hell. Yes, I think any weird Any weird stuff? I don't buy I don't buy strange any prada. Yeah That is a sick hat, but I realize thank you, I realized after the fact, after I did all that stuff, I think I had a guilty conscience. Of falling in love, but you fell in love with baseball. Of like really enjoying myself at Wrigley Field.

No, but what you did was basically you went to a strip club and then you went home and like fucked the shit out of your significant other. Right, so I went home and then I may have subconsciously and I actually do think I subconsciously purchase all these things because I felt bad and guilty that had a sick thank you I appreciate it yeah but I I I think I can love watching the Cubs play at Wrigley Field yeah right it's going to a game is the best okay great song at the end yeah fantastic song Are you talking about the seventh inning stretch? No, you say my go Cubs go go Pugs go go Pugs go

Go Pugs go What do you use? Oh the Pope is from the USA. Mm-hmm a lot of Pope merchandise at Wrigley I bought I bought one for White Sox Dave. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's a Not even Pope Leo could save the socks. I like that. He he begrudgingly accepted and I was like, dude I'm not actually making you wear this. I also think that just Wrigley Field has the best merchandise for advertising the game and the field, like people wearing the shirts that just have

the clock that says 120 on it. There's nothing like going to a 120 game. Now, if you're a national and you're listening to this, you're my main bitch. I'm never going to leave you. I'm very excited about what the future has for us. We had a great young team. But I did feel, I felt like when the Cubs scored a run,

I got excited. I was like, yes, this is good. I was at- Roo, roo, roo for the home team. I was at- It's true. Saturday and Sunday, I was at Wrigley. So Saturday was the game you went to, right?

Yep. It was also maybe the best weather possible. That might have had a lot to do. It was not a cloud you went to, right? Yep. It was also maybe the best weather possible. That might have had a lot to do with it. Like it was not a cloud in the sky, 63 degrees in the, like that perfect mix of in the sun you're warm, in the shade you're a little cool. Oh yeah. Memes went, I took memes on Saturday

to his first Cubs game. That's adorable. Yeah, he didn't wear a hat. I do think this, I think- It was jarring. The weather had a ton to do with it probably. I got free hot dogs to shout out the hot dog concession guy. Well, oh, that's sick.

Yeah, so he actually said, can I get a shout out on part of my take for giving you these free hot dogs? Hell yes. And I was like, I don't know. He goes, yeah, you're right. That's probably asking too much. No.

But then I did it. There you go. No, it's like, you ever go on vacation somewhere and if the weather is perfect, you just like I can live here. Oh yeah. If any any nice day you're just like, yeah, this is the best place ever. If the weather is in the seventies or eighties, it's Michigan. I hop on. I hop on Zilla. Yeah. I'm like, maybe I'll just buy a house here in all this great weather. Yeah, that that will do it for you. Uh, okay. My hot seat is a Saquon Barkley. Because he needed a harness to get on the Madden cover. Oh, I thought

you were gonna say Madden curse. Yeah, well that too. But he needed a harness to do the jump over a player thing. So he actually can't do that move. Correct. Yeah. He did do that move in real life. He needed a harness. He people forgot he almost got hurt because that yeah, yeah, people Didn't want him to do that Actually, probably kids at home got really hurt trying to recreate that. Mm-hmm Jaywright doesn't even like coaching

My chill throne I got a couple uh Versus Hank the kangaroo got on the plane. Yep. Did you see that video? I did not see the kangaroo has made he finally got was able to board and he's on the plane. Okay, so it was a real kangaroo. It was a real kangaroo. And he was tucked in perfectly sitting minding his own business in the middle seat with him with a seatbelt on that kangaroo way to go Hank. I was happy. I was happy for the kangaroo and the woman who's you know, it was the emotional support kangaroo. Yeah, she was now okay Yeah, did they check its power that pft? It was I'll see my mistake check its pouch when it went through TSA I better have looky kangaroos eating are those peanuts. That's illegal on a plane. Oh, yeah No, that's why I think this video might be fake is because no, there's so many peanut outers

They they won't you do that anymore? Yeah, uh, just eat my peanuts right here. It's fantastic other cool throne we talked about Cal Raleigh on Monday and How awesome he is and he should be considered for the MVP a listener hit hit us up PFT and said This is from sack man eight. long time listener, first time caller. Thank you for showing the the NERS. I guess that's what they call the Mariners. The NERS? You just say Mariners. You just say Mariners. Like the SERS for the Pacers? Yeah, the NERS. Some love on today's show. Wanted to let you know some of us Cal Raleigh's dump fans have

been saying big dumpy go poo poo every time he goes yard. I fucking love that. Amen, amen. Just texting your boys big dumpy just went poo poo. Big dumpy go poo poo. And my other cool drone is Max, R-Max, because he made the catch of the summer with the hot dog. For people who missed it, we got a hot dog stuck in the ceiling at Parcel HQ Chicago. And it took us an hour and a half to get it out,

and Max caught it and ate it Yeah, so maybe you just opened up his buns and the meat slid right in yeah I took a bite the video of max can we put it in the YouTube of max running around just just like if you take All context out of what happened Max doing a lap holding a hot dog He's the most special boy we got. That's all I'll say. He's a special, special boy. Buck crack came out.

Yeah. No. Yeah. Do this video. If you just started the video when Max caught it, yeah, the buck crack did come out. Just when Max catches it, it's a special, special video of him just looking at him. Everyone cheers like, I got a hot dog. I got a hot dog Good job, Max. You got a hot dog. He's just showing everyone like look see hot dog It looks like he's running a but like a baton race the food Olympics Yeah, it's like

When they when they let like the old guy at the spring football game score touchdown hair looks great though max Yeah hair looks great. Shout out joel. Uh, you know, it was a special day in the office yesterday It was it was a special day at the office I felt like a very special boy and someone sent you a drink at dinner because of it I don't know if that was true, but I did get sent a drink. Oh, it had to have been hot dog. It had to have been that. It had to have been that. Had to have been.

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And visit JDPower.com slash awards for more award details. And now here is Ryan Ruscilla. OK, we now welcome on one of our best friends in the whole world, Very special guest. Very, very, very special guest. It is Ryan Russo, the Ryan Russo podcast. He is the number one ball knower in the world. And we have you on to talk about the NBA finals, but we got gifted with a news breaking an hour ago, Tom Thibodeau out with the New York Knicks. So let's start there. I want to say not shocking because this is kind of how it goes with Tibbs

where you can kind of feel the, the sea changing on them and he gets them to a level and then it's like, all right, he can't get us that next level. But I'll say a little shocking cause Jalen Brunson just did a press conference where he's like, I love them. Were you shocked at all? No, I wasn't. You were hearing about this a little bit. Uh, I mean we can talk to her about whether or not we're shocked based on, you know, this is Nick season. It's tough because you're playing the Pacers, you beat Boston, you think you have a chance against the Pacers. I still thought they had a chance against them, even though I picked the Pacers. Uh, you know, and if you, if you take a step back and not get emotional about it the next morning and you look at this Knicks season

and you're like, all right, this team hadn't been in the Eastern Conference finals in 25 years. I mean, there's a Knicks conversation about this team winning a title before I was even born, where you're like, man, we talk about this team a lot. Although you probably say the same thing about the Red Sox prior to 2004, where you're like,

there's a lot of Knicks conversations. There's just a handful of teams that have had a better run for a really long time. Most wins I think since 2013, they take out Boston and look, Tatum went down in game four, but they were up what, nine, then 11 points three minutes ago, so they're probably going to win that game anyway. And that's a huge, huge statement. And I think on the whole, you have to feel really good about who the Knicks were this year in comparison to who they've been,

but there was definitely a lot of lingering stuff, and even the last two days, you were just hearing like, he's out. Bill had mentioned it on the pod where he thought he'd be out. I was actually at a lunch yesterday, we were like, yeah, he's probably done. And the thing that sucks is,

I'll tell you in all the years I've spent getting the chance to talk to people about basketball, whether it's front office people in the last 25 years working with all these different coaches when I was at ESPN and we'd be in the same room together and I'd be doing like maybe late night TV or something, Tibbs is without question the most impressive single person I've ever talked to about basketball.

Like he made me after five minutes go like, holy shit, do I not know anything? Like I've been watching this game a long time and he is so incredibly impressive. I think there's absolute buy-in. There's kind of like a toughness resetting that he brings when he comes into the franchise, uh, but you're right, big cat, it's, it seems to run its course and you know, the minute stuff, I don't really think it's as egregious this year. I thought that bulls run where it looked like Joaquin couldn't even make it up the floor.

And you're like, dude, you're wearing these guys down. It just seems to be, look, I think the NBA, that's the job. I don't even know that it's specific to TIBS. I think it's the job where it is very hard to get everyone to keep listening to you after you've had this job four or five years. So I mean, there's some other basketball stuff we get into, why they got away from the cat brunson combo stuff.

There was a defensive adjustment to cat the team started doing playing with smaller guys. You could get on his ass for like, why did you start going to bench guys that you had buried for such a long stretch of the year? But that but you know, that part always frustrates me. The coach does something different and then you lose. And then it means the coach is a moron. And it's like, well, you know, w would you rather lose without any adjustments or attempted anything and putting Mitchell Robinson in the starting lineup. So, uh, I feel bad for him because I know how smart he is and I think he's a terrific coach,

but it's very hard in this, this job to have it longer than five years. Yeah, it is a league. We the longest outside of Eric's bolstra and Steve Kerr, who is the longest tenured coach now the Tibbs has been fired. Finch. It's actually Billy Donovan. All right. Which speaks to how crazy, you know what I mean? Like that doesn't, Billy Donovan feels relatively new still with the Bulls. and it's like, this is just how it goes. Guys, guys go in and out very quickly. Oh no, it's, it's nuts. Like whenever you look at the Wikipedia page for this, you'll have half the coaches in the league. Like I'm doing it right now. Like Will Hardy is already on the longer side of the 10-year run with the Jazz.

Mazula's in the middle of the pack. If I were going to run through it really quickly here, I think more than half the coaches are hired from 2023 on. You're totally right. It's a nearly impossible job. I don't know if you can talk about it. I was talking with somebody about it and they were talking about the money. It was a really funny line because he said to me

He's like you cannot even be good and make ten million dollars a year now, right? You don't even have to be that good and you might get ten million a year on a multi-year contract But we've been having that conversation for decades It's like all the players make all this money and now they're not gonna listen to the coaches So that's not necessarily anything new. I just it's bit like the roommate theory. It's really hard to have a roommate where if you think of all the people you've lived with in your life, like how many guys did you get to know that you loved versus how many guys you get to know that you hated?

Right after living for a couple of years. Yeah. Yeah. So, so what are the, do the sons pick up the phone now? Are they like, Hey, I know that we had it down to two. That would be a very funny fit. Tibbs out in Phoenix? Yeah, it would be. I mean, they're running through them. Monty and that whole thing changed post Chris Paul and the changes they wanted to make.

And then you have Vogel, who is a really good coach. But the Lakers thing, they move on really good coach. But you know, the Lakers thing, they move on from him so quickly that you're kind of like, all right, the guy just won a title there. And now he's the problem. But look, it's pretty clear. Look, I give them all the credit for the bubble one. You know, now that's, that's fine. Oh, Ryan, we did a bad job introducing you.

Congratulations. Chris Paul played entire season. Oh, yeah. I'll be sure to let Chris know. Vindication. Yeah. That he was acknowledged for this. I can't wait. I can't wait to see what's next. I got a question. I got one more question about the next. Yeah, but I want to, I want to talk about the sun's though, because if I were Tibbs, I'd be like, I'm good. I'm good right now. Like you guys just blasted out Vogel immediately. Rod and Bud paid him blasted him out. It seems with the finalists for Phoenix is like, maybe we don't have to spend a ton of money this time around because they're spending

all this money on these other guys. I think you have to have a certain mindset to respond to Tim tobs. And I don't know, I'm sure Booker would be fine with it. I can't even imagine Beal in Tibbs rotation if they're still stuck with Beal, because I do think the ring gets traded. Yeah. All right. My last next question, because I want to talk finals. I know you don't like Cat. You do not. I don't. I respect it. He's better than I give him credit for. I don't like watching it. Do you. So my take is he is not a perfect player and I every

much. Yes. But you, you every, all your complaints about him or criticism are fair and they come from a fair place. I feel like though he is maybe the greatest scapegoat that a team could ever have because it's all about cat and Tibbs and not a real conversation about Jalen Brunson maybe being, you know, defensive liability at points. Mikhail Bridges not playing up to the level he should have played to Josh Hart not be able to hit a three. And cat is like this lightning rod and it happened with the timber rolls too, where if you have cat on your team, you know if you're another guy, you're safe. Because if you lose, it's going to be like, Carl Anthony Towns is the problem.

Yeah. It's like being on the cabinet where you just go like, well, ultimately everybody's going to forget what I'm in charge of. Right. Yeah. Look, Brunson is almost bulletproof. And it's funny because Becky Hammond made the comment, I believe it was Becky who had said, you wonder about Brunson as a smaller guard on a title contending team, which has been accepted for years in this league. I mean, that's why Isaiah Thomas has become

criminally underrated for what he was as the real go-to offensive player. And granted, Dumars was terrific, and Vinnie Johnson Johnson coming off the bench and that'll be the end of that Pistons breakdown. But there's just GMs that will tell you, like, I don't want to have to go through multiple rounds with a small guard. I don't want to. And here's Brunson who, whether it was one year, I know I flipped it with he and Tatum where I had one in the top five in the MVP voting. I think I had Brunson fifth and then put Tatum first team all NBA. Brunson's, if he's healthy, he's not outside of the top 10 players

in this league. They nailed it. He was good in Dallas and I think he was going to be this. And then on top of everything else, he's just so comfortable in all these huge moments. However, the Boston series, it wasn't really about Brunson in the beginning. They did a really good job containing him. Bridges went off and then Boston just becomes this comically stagnant team. So you're right, Brunson has brought such energy

to this franchise and those moments at MSG where he's just dialing it up and no one can do anything with him, it ignores, and maybe it's kind of baked into the cat part of it, is like if he, if you have one bad defender, you can kind of hide it. But when it's the Pacers deciding, like do we want to attack Cat this time

or do we want to attack Brunson? And to Halliburton's credit too, which I had to remind myself of a little bit of his standing in the league, when you go, you know how we all kind of fall in love with who those guys are, the top 10 players, top 15. I voted them all NBA, it was close for third team for him. But when you have somebody who's approached the game

more like a quarterback, who's dissecting things and playing this natural point guard position with the instincts that are so rare in today's game. Like when you have a guy like that who knows like okay there is a play that he had in the closeout game what do you want on that little bit of a tear. So Kat was late in drop coverage and doesn't get to Halliburton. Halliburton hits a floater inside the paint and it was another one of those discussions where one of Kat's teammates is like what are you doing? Like you have to show more on that. They run something very similar Halliburton knows because he just got yelled at

that cats going to come up to him and Halliburton is like, yep. And delays just enough. See, Ockham has the cutoff of it. He's wide open. He actually missed the layup. So I know I'm kind of going off here a little bit, but when you have two of these liabilities defensively and cat is the sassy one. Yeah. Yeah. And look, I don't, I don't know what happened with them. I mean, there was only five assists total from Brunson to cat and that entire series.

When you look at the offensive ratings for the Knicks over the course of the year, like month by month, it was the best offense in the NBA to like the bottom third the last couple months. So they lost something and whether that's on TIBS not being creative enough, now I would say there's probably more Bridges possessions in there with an offense that's a little bit more creative or like, hey, can't we just use the Kat Brunson thing

as some kind of decoy instead of Brunson, or Bridges is watching so much of this. But you're absolutely right. There's no dispute that with a guy like Brunson bringing this energy, and just excitement, and he's so much fun, like, you know, every kid has a Brunson jersey that's a fan of this team, that nobody's ever in a hurry to criticize that guy when you have somebody else you feel like is a bigger liability

on the whole than business, right? If you're gonna have a guy who's bad at defense, who would rather have a guy who's bad at defense and also very tall than a guy that's short and also bad at defense. Well, also when that other guy can like drop 40 in a playoff game, and it's so much fun watching it happen. You know, look, I don't even think SGA is like a great defensive player. He's even been subbed out at times for defensive purposes, but it's never a thing. One, because he's taller. Two, there's so many great defensive players. Sometimes he gets targeted because it's like, I'd rather do this than switch into Jalen Williams' daughter Caruso. Or then Chet holds up pretty well, which I think they'll probably close

with Chet more in this series than the double big lineup that they've done off and on throughout this year. So I, I don't want to sit here and be like, Hey, you're right. Let's, we should all be on Brunson more. Like part of the NBA. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Where it's like, Hey, you know who we don't shit on and this guy, let's do it. It's not, I know that's not what you're saying, but he's bulletproof. Yeah. It's more just cat. Everyone hits the trade cat button and it's like, yeah, he's not perfect, but there's other things too. Maybe it is just trade cat. It's also very funny whenever basketball comes down to just like, Oh yeah, being taller does help. It does. It's like, Hey, we shouldn't overthink this. Tall players are, are, are

better than shorter. I'll be honest. If I was seven four, I truly believe I would be in the NBA. I would have played some minutes in the NBA if I was seven four. I'll be honest, if I was 7'4", I truly believe I would be in the NBA. I would have played some minutes in the NBA if I was 7'4". I know you didn't listen to the podcast already today because it just posted, but we had a life advice specifically about this where a guy was working construction and he was 6'6", and there was another guy on the site that was like, man, if I had your height, I'd be in the NBA. And the emailer was like, look, I get it.

It's happened to me my whole life, but it's also insinuating that I'm a waste of a human being because I wasted all this God given talent. And then the punchline was you want to guess what the other guy's height was? Oh, was it like six, three? Yeah, it was six, four. No, but seven, four. I mean, let's be real. If you were seven for you being the NBA. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Not long. I think I would have blown through money and been a bit of a fuck up in my twenties. But you would have had you would have been in the you would have gotten drafted. All right. Let's talk about the finals. I yeah, but I'd be on podcast

talking about how coaches fucked me over. I got like black balls from the league. You'd have the clips of you in a gym playing against a bunch of like dad. I come back videos comeback videos I mean we wouldn't have anywhere to post them, but it would be incredible You would be you would be ready to shit on players If you had gotten in the league for like a cup of coffee Then you just gained a lot of weight after you get out and you're like this guy stinks. This guy's a bum Never win anything Yeah, I do wonder like if you took just a general fitness test of people like North of 45 How many people that are in shape are in shape because their

athletic career was such a massive disappointment versus guys that had like incredible success. And then after 45, you're like, I don't want to do any of that. Yeah, it was my life. You're just describing CrossFit. You really are like if you ever go to a serious CrossFit gym, and if you go to a serious CrossFit gym and if you go to a serious CrossFit gym and you throw one of them a football, it's not getting caught, but they could fucking burpee forever.

Yeah. I was thinking about that. Like if somebody had just played catch with Rudy go bear when he was a kid, did you see Rudy? Did you see Rudy's warm up dribble video where he just couldn't do it in the game? No, it was like before the game, it was see Rudy's warmup dribble video where he just couldn't do it? In the game? No, it was like before the game. It was like Rudy's like I did working on his handles and he kept on. It's like, why are they taping this? Don't do this to the guy. I know it kind of reminds me. What is that? The Tristan Thompson video where he was like one like little jump pull ups. Oh, cause I seen another one. Uh, well you like watching sex tapes. Well, I mean, if they don't shit, right? If they're on, if they're

in my purview, I'm going to watch, I'm not going to avert my eyes. Yeah. But would you want to watch a sex tape of somebody you knew? Uh, if you told me, if you came up to me right now and you're like, if you sat, if you, if to me right now and you're like if you sat if you walked into this studio and PFT and I are sitting here right now and be like, so it was like, Hey, I got a sex tape of Hank. We'd watch. I want to see a stroke. We'd watch. We'd watch. Come on. You'd watch. I wouldn't. I wouldn't want to watch that. Yes, you would. I don't want to watch Hank bang ever. I wouldn't watch it watch that. Yes, you would. I don't want to watch Hank Bang ever. I wouldn't watch it multiple times.

I'd watch it once out of curiosity. I want to know what you guys would have to. I mean, you're in the content. Yeah, you got to know what your man's style is. You got to know what his go tos are. Yeah, we're going to break down some film. Yeah. But we started crying and was the little spoon.

That would be awesome. That'd be very funny. Yeah, then I'd watch it many times. Yeah, that'd be content. Before we get to the finals, you mentioned something in passing. KD, you think he's going to get traded. Why do you think that? And who do you think he's going to get traded to? What would make you think he'd play on a different team? I don't know. It's just something. Something.

Hot takes with Rosillo. KD might not be on the Suns next year. I thought last year he was. There was a lot of stuff, right? A lot of stuff around the draft. There was like rumors about Houston and then I think Stephen A even had said like he is going to be traded and then I talked about it like two days later and said I know for a fact that he's not going to be traded and And at least I had this year. Uh, I don't know. I feel like the seeds have been planted. Okay. Okay. What is that? Is that when there's a wind horse?

Windy fingers. Yeah. Windy fingers. Uh, I don't think that deserves to be a windy fakers. No, dude. Why would you say it on the move? Why would you say that? Huh? Well, you're also plugged in, Ryan. You're the most plugged in guy we got. Yeah, but see, I don't I don't, you know, I don't. As I've gotten older, I don't need to do any of that stuff. And if I get it wrong, it's like the damage is so much worse than no one's ever like, Hey, good call. Yeah, that's why I like threads so much big cat. Yeah, threads is threads is like, like being out

and last call looking for food in Philadelphia versus like Sarasota. That's what threads is threads. All right. Let's talk the finals. I love I've loved watching the Pacers these playoffs. They're so much fun. They play with so much pace. They have Hal Burton. I know there's games where it's like, Hey, well, how's this guy, you know, a top 10 player, but when he's on, he's on and he makes everything so much better. I just can't get over the fact that the thunder's defense is so fucking suffocating and they have so many guys that they can throw at you. And just like even

I know regular season doesn't matter. Like Lou Dort is gonna is gonna make Hal Burton work his ass off. And it's like then they have other guys getting the Caruso comes off the bench. Is there what's the path for the Pacers? Like how do you when you want look at this? Is there a case you can make that like here's how the Pacers can win this series outside of Caitlin Clark going to every game, which they are seven to know in these playoffs with Caitlin Clark in attendance. That's good. It was good to see Mike Epps in the mix because all this Nick stuff, they were like, is there anybody available? Like, can we, can we do anything? Um, and I just

to share with you guys, cause I know how much you like the jam bands, you know, Trey's been at these next games. So it's not Derek trucks, right? Eric trucks. I saw him on the baseline. Right. Yeah. And you just thinking to yourself like, can't we get one one shot of any of the guys on the creative side of music, you know, although I shouldn't say that about Busta Rhymes because I still think his third album is one of my favorites still a go to listen to it today shooting around a little bit. Flip phones.ones the greatest. Yeah, right.

So I didn't wanna make that sound like one form of music is more creative than the other, but there's seriously something against the improvisational guys. I just don't understand why Trey doesn't deserve some sort of graphic. We don't have to worry about that anymore. The Knicks are eliminated.

So look, I think when you're watching the Pacers, you're going, okay, cool, they take care of the basketball and they love to get out and run. Here's the problem, I went back and watched the March game, the late March game where the Thunder put it on the Pacers. There was no Chet, there was no Jaylen Williams too. Hartenstein left the game at halftime with a hip thing, so only played like 14 minutes,

so they decided to come out small and play with Kenridge. And that's where they put, they were up like 10 at the half and they put like real separation, they got up to 22 in the third quarter. They didn't get a great SGA game because Jaylen Williams was on the attack, man. And when he was like the primary ball handler, like he was on the attack. So then you're thinking, okay, so going into this, we expect the paces, take care of the ball. We expect them to want to go small at times.

Sometimes they have this bench and they're going to want to, I would say, get out and run, right? The Thunder were the better running team in the regular season matchup. In that game, there were two things that really stood out. One was the Jaylen Williams attacking Neesmith and having zero issues with it whatsoever. Number two was they got out and pushed.

Okay, so like if you, the Thunder can basically do anything. The other thing that's crazy, like I know I'm throwing a bunch of stuff at you here, the Thunder are 13th out of 16 playoff teams in three point shooting and they're a minus 750 for the NBA finals. The only series they've shot it well from three is the Minnesota series. They can get to this point, be 12 and four through 16 playoff games and still not shoot it nearly as well as they've shot it in the regular season. That's fucking horrifying. They've played at a faster pace than the Pacers. They take care of the basketball better than the Pacers do.

And even as much as we all love that bench because we know who all the guys are for the Pacers, through 16 games, TJ, OB, Thomas Bryant, and Matheran are all net negatives. They're all net negatives. And to your point about like, the Thunder can go, hey, we'll run a double big at you. I don't think they're gonna want to,

because Hartenstein's actually of like the main nine rotational guys, the biggest net negative, and I think it's played out that way, and they started tailing his minutes off in the Minnesota series. Also because Chet is somebody like you just feel so much better about now a month into this, because he's had some massive moments

Including I would say, you know one of the closed Denver games and also game five against Minnesota He was unbelievable and you don't even have to really run any place for this guy. So You know, even though I'm picking the Thunder and it's gonna be really hard for anybody to talk themselves into the Pacers The things that the Pacers pride themselves on, running, keeping the basketball, not turning it over is the better way to set, and their bench depth, the Thunder can match you with a better bench, their bench is actually played better,

they've taken care of the basketball better, and they're more than ready to run with you if you wanna run with them. And that's what's so impressive about this team is that they can just take on almost any form needed in a basketball game, and it's probably gonna be their advantage. Have you heard anybody that's taking the Pacers that's not just doing it to be the I'm the guy who's taking the Pacers guy? I haven't. I mean have you guys had a

moment where it was like the Giants-Pats-Pats undefeated season where you really thought the other team because because look, it's sports. This is the whole reason we care about this stuff is we have to be surprised sometimes. So I always try to like figure out like, when's, is there, is there a time to just go ahead and pick against everybody else because you feel like everyone's overrating the other side a little bit too much. I meant, this is actually a question. Like, do you have one in your past that you remember you were like I'm on the other side of this Yep, it was just a few short months ago NFL playoffs commanders against Lions. Yeah, that doesn't count I know

Do it the doink in the Super Bowl? Oh Well, no, I guess that would be that's the exact opposite Hank did the no doing but he did out of spite So he didn't actually think that there was gonna be a doink He just did it because he knew I was betting no doings. That's actually a great comp for the line. Yeah. Because I think what are the paces right now. Plus five fifty. Yes. I'm like that. I'm trying to think. I don't think I have 80. I thought it was this morning. We don't whatever. It's the same number. Keep going. I don't think there's been like it doesn't. You're not, you're talking about like big time games too, right? Because there, there are definitely, uh, moments like there's coaches, you know, where it's like, uh, you know, Mike Vrabel used to do this with the Titans where it's like, Oh, here's a Titans game. Like where everyone's picking against them and they're going to win this game or Mike Tomlin, Mike Tomlin on the road is a dog. It's like, well yeah,

give me Mike Tomlin on the road as a dog, but that doesn't really count. No, I don't think that that counts at all. And the gambling part of it that drives me crazy is when a guy takes the massive odds and then tries to take credit for like picking it straight up. Like they thought that was going to happen. Right. That drives me fucking nuts because it's like, you know, somebody loves the payout. So then they they invest in the payout and then they pretend after the fact, like if somebody were to bet the Pacers who's just a gambler, and then the Pacers win, it's like, I told you, it's like, did you did you tell us or did you

just like the odds? Yeah, I also think it's different, obviously, in football than it is about us seven game series here. Yeah, I, that's true, too. And I look, I didn't mean to dismiss you on the commander's thing. But that's because you're a fan of them. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, dismiss away. Yeah, I, I agree with that. It's, I think anybody that's picking the Pacers right now, I would be shocked if I heard a good basketball reason behind it, besides just the fact that everyone else has taken the other side. So I'm going to be different. Yeah, this might be a

goal of ours. We got to figure out, we got to finally call our shot on a game. What if it's the Pacers? What if it's the Pacers? But we're definitely just doing it to be different. And I can't do that to Caruso. What about Travis Hunter? 40 to one. We had that. No big deal. What did you get on his, uh, number being retired? What was the payout on should doors number being good question. That one was actually minus money. All right, so we gotta find one. We gotta do this at some point. We gotta find a big game. We should all.

Yeah. Because we do this for a living. But feel it. And we're wrong enough on the favorites to just feel like, hey, do we just, because again, like to the dismissive point, because we live it every single day. The guy that can't stop tweeting about his fucking team,

who then is like, see, I told you, right? Like, what was what was your fucking reasoning? Right. Yeah. And also what was the alternative outcome was going to make you cry? Like, you know, so to me, those never really count all that much. That happens a lot in college football, too. Yeah. It's like, oh, yeah. You know, you didn't think we could do this. It's like well why did you think you could do it. Yeah. I'm telling you right now like my my process was far less emotional than yours was and you ended up being right about it. But this is sometimes it's fun man. You

know who Stanford Steve every now and would just. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But Stanford Steve also has been doing this thing to me and I don't know if it's like a bit but he's been like texting me to like take things and I think he's just trying to get me to change the odds a little bit like super long shots and then I'll bet it and then he'll like do something else. So that's how I ended up with the Kyle Schwab or 90 to one MVP ticket. That's some sinister shit. He might be doing it. I don't know. I have I have somebody who will hit me up being like, hey, don't you think this? And I would be like, yeah. And then I kind of think like this guy's already heard me say this.

So he knows I think exactly this. And then he'll he'll be like, you know, I can't believe all these people think this. And I'll be like, yeah, again, I agree. I've said this like seven times. We are in agreement. And then I realized like he has a future on it and wants me to keep banging the table more and more for it. Let's get the brains going though. Let's let's hop on the group chat, find a long shot that

we that we believe in. And then we can click. How about this one? By the way, we're so was was talking about Travis Hunter there. What? Me texting him being like, Hey, you should talk about Travis Hunter more. Oh, yeah. Yeah No, but I wasn't talking about you, but that did happen You would do it to me, but I guess you wanted an outside guy Because I I remember when that text happened and I said are you nuts? I go I'm actually doing an open on it today and you were like good I can't wait and then after I did it big chat goes. I that was really good. I can't wait. And then after I did it, big cat goes, I, that was really good.

I have a 40 to one up. Cause I did, I think I did the segment where I went, Hey, like who are we kidding at this point? Like based on the field, I don't even know who else are you voting for at this point. And then big cat was like, that was really well done. One of your best monologues. Good job. Cause I was going to put you on the Panthers. Yeah. Carolina Panthers. Carolina Panthers to win the NFC. Be a crazy one. I believe in Bryce Young. What can I say?

It's funny man. I was really happy with Bryce Young this year. I started rooting for Bryce Young only because it felt like people wanted to retire after week eight of his rookie season. Yeah. Yeah. If I had his height, I would be in the NFL. A question about SGA. If they thunder go on and win this, is he up like, where is he top seven, all time season, top nine, all time season. I don't know that off the top of my head.

It's pretty crazy when you actually stack it up. MVP scoring title, 80 plus win team. Like it's kind of, he's in a weird spot where he's kind of underrated because people don't like watching his game, which I understand the complaints. Uh, but like he, he will submit one of the, one of the best seasons ever in terms of totality, just seasons I'm talking about. Yeah, just seasons. I'd have to do more work on it, but two things that you said there.

One, the free throw thing. I think was really worried about it, like a Brunson SGA finals, because there's always a bit of a reminder. I remember there was some Harden stuff in 2018 where you could tell how little regular season Houston Rockets basketball people on social media had actually watched during regular season.

And it was like, what the fuck is this? You're like, first Rockets game? Yeah. And you could see with Brunson and SGA, just more eyes were on it in a way where people were paying attention. And again, I'm not to gatekeep it like this. It's not like I'm a WNBA fan

and I don't want people to watch my product. But I look at it where I was worried about what could happen there with Brunson and SGA. And I also, it becomes like just so annoying. It's a bit political where, again, the only people defending Brunson are Knicks fans with it. And it's on the SGA side. It's like, no, no, no. Your fouls suck. Our fouls suck less. And then you have foul totals and it's, and you're on the SGA side, it's like, no, no, no, your fouls suck, our fouls suck less, and then you have foul totals, and you go, hey, I like how you guys made something that's pretty simple, really complicated.

For those of us that have no emotional tie to it whatsoever, the foul-merchanting of today fucking sucks compared to the total number of free throws. Like, we watched all those games, and I'm not saying Jordan didn't get a few calls. You don't need to clip me as if case closed, but over the course of whatever the free throw rates were or the free throw totals were,

it sucks way more now with the most egregious players than it ever sucked in the past because the officials don't penalize the players in the past for baiting them. The old school officials, and Van Gundy said this to me, so you don't even have to believe me, he's like the old school guys would police it in this gray area, which is what officiating

needs to be more like, where it's like, hey, you got me, and fuck you. That's the game. I'm never giving you one of those, and guess what the player stops doing? All of that stuff. So I just think there's a lot of smart people that started counting up free throws for any guy.

Pick a guy you don't like, trying to argue. Oh, actually, historically, it's not that bad. It's like, okay, so now you've just eliminated the visual comparison, where it's certainly more bad or worse, I should say. And, you know, unfortunately gets in the way of what can be awesome, awesome games and an awesome product. You this is where we're still you doing a podcast on your own hurts you because you have to speak the truth. We did something accidentally on this podcast. It's actually been very great for us. I went after Jalen Brunson's foul, Merchant and PFT went after SGA's foul Merchant. So like there's always a guy who didn't like people will be like, tag me in a tweet and be like, Oh, but

PFT doesn't like this and tag PFT in a tweet and be like, Oh, but big cat doesn't like Brunson. Yeah. Now it's the poor Oklahoma city fans. They don't think I should take any joy in Alex Caruso winning a championship. Yeah. We see it right now. I do stand by my take with SGA and you're right. It's the thing I don't like about the, the foul merchant stuff. It's not the act of shooting free throws, but don't get me wrong. I would rather see open. I would rather see like, you know, not a whistle every 30 seconds and guys go to the line. But like free throws, I don't get triggered by watching people shoot free throws. I get triggered by watching guys dribble through the lane, fall down, acting like they're falling

down because they got fouled, but they're falling down under control, shooting a shot that they've practiced when they practice flopping, and then getting to the line that way. That part to me, that's hard to watch. Yeah, I think Brunson's grosser than SGA is because there's so much with Brunson that's off the ball, like shoving a guy as he's trying to cut and then like every single thing with Brunson is some sort of dramatic sell. I mean, you think he'd get sick of it on some of the off ball stuff. I mean he drew like Nick's fans always say I'll look at his free throw rate and look at his free Look at all these other guys it's like he actually drew the second most fouls per game than any other player in the league and number one is Giannis by

pretty healthy margin because Giannis is just you just there's nothing you can fucking do against that guy physically, but to bring a Some sort of conclusion on this thing that you'd asked me about bring some sort of conclusion on this thing that you'd asked me about, SGA's all time season, I don't know, again, off the top of my head, but this is when we're really dangerous because the morning shows can't,

if SGA runs through this finals MVP, which is all a very likely outcome coming off of this MVP and for a guard to have the efficient season that he had, and he would have had, the free throw part of it MVP and for a guard to have the efficiency season that he had. And he would have had the free throw part of it that I would defend SGA on is like, it's not like he's just some free throw guy. And that's the only thing that's working here. He's fucking incredible. All right. But those shows, if that happens, it's going to be like,

hey, does this guy have the NBA belt? Is this the best player in the world? And this is where I would be probably a downer on those TV shows. As I go, I have him fourth still. Like, I know he just won the title. I feel like that Yokech series against OKC is like, I don't know how anybody watches that series then feels worse about Yokech this year. To me, Jokic is unobtainable. Like you cannot get to his level right now. And there's gonna be a lot of people arguing

just because it's better, it's better. Nobody goes, Mission Impossible 8 comes out, nobody in the review goes, third best one. Right. It has to be the best Mission Impossible ever. And it's the best one every fucking time there's a new one. And with SGA on the cusp of this, nobody's gonna feel like they're having fun

if they're saying, yeah, okay, now I have them ahead of Janis, where I would have Janis and Jokic ahead of everybody, and then we could talk about Luka and SGA, which is kind of funny, like Luka, like SGA's still sort of locked in. I don't know, I don't think a sane person, a real basketball person should look at this and be like, okay, SGA is now the best in the world because they're going to look back on that take in October going, Whoa, I got fucking caught up in everything.

Yeah. But what's crazy about SGA is game is he doesn't have to do the foul merchant stuff. He would still be, he's a, he's a great player. He's a great player when he's not doing that. Yeah. And by the way your point I agree with Saying accolades like one of the most impressive years doesn't mean he's the best I'm just saying like statistically when you match it all up what he did this year could be Up there with like holy shit. That was an insane season doesn't mean I would take him over yokich Right, like did you guys have Halliburton in your top 10? Yeah for the playoff start Oh, yeah, I did. I had I had the Pacers above the above the Celtics go playoffs. Oh, yeah

Yeah, Hank hated who did you who did you have him ahead of I had him ahead of Brunson Tatum I had a Tate him for sure and around Mitchell Mitchell easily, easily. Giannis. Paolo. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's a good chunk. That's a good healthy chunk of guys right there. Indeed. You're better at it than I am because I have never thought Halliburton's a top 10 player.

And by the way, nobody would even start shit with you saying that four weeks ago. No one would. I had him all NBA 13. So that means I believe he's in this kind of like 13th best to 17th best player, the DAC right? Yeah, yeah, which is a lot worse for that. His pal. There's so many basketball players. You know, yeah, I don't know. Over the course of a season 48

quarterbacks, you know, maybe 28. That range is a great range to be in. He's got paid a shit load of money. He should do that like if you were doing ESPN still. I got Hal Burton in the DAC range. That's a real crossover that Greeny would be going nuts for. That would be... Greeny would be losing his mind on that one. What about... Hey let's bump Jalen Rose. What about this one? Me and Big Cat have been working on this one that this is going to be the worst Thunder team to win a championship because they're going to get so much better over the course of the next couple of seasons with their draft picks. This is actually a down year for the Thunder. Yeah, we're gonna look back.

Hmm. Wow. You might be right. Yeah, you like it. Don't you thought about it and you were like these boys know they're going to win four or five and we're going to look back and be like that 2025 team. Not that great compared to the 2027 team. The 2018 28 is when they come into form. Yeah. 28 is going to be in special. I'll be happy if they win just so people can be like, okay, finally Presti's good. Yeah. That group that was holding out, you know, this guy has just been like an absolute

architect, he wants a certain kind of player, the personality part that they emphasize because there's a realness to this team and like how, and look, the Pacers kind of have this too, so I'm not trying to make this all about the Thunder, but this is why they're the heavy favorites, but the guy in the friend group or text chain that is like, all right, give me your three best executives in basketball. You'd be like Presti. And then the guy's like, people talk a lot about how good Presti is. He hasn't won anything. You know what else is funny too about the Thunder?

You're in some great text threads. Yeah, that's a fun one. I enjoy that one a lot. Changing my number soon. I'll get that to you guys. But let's look, let's look at this Thunder rebuild real quick. Because you realize it was only like a couple years. Yeah. Yeah, they were in obviously Chris Paul if his teammates it's if SGA had stepped up more in that game seven against the Rockets four years ago. Well, well, that's what we all think. Yep. Yep. Yeah.

We have there were bad for two years. Yeah, that's fucking crazy. Crazy. Like that gets lost in Wow, you know, hey, it finally paid off. They were, what was it 20. So they lose in 20. That's the the Rockets game member Harden had a block towards the end and they were like, you know, people knock this guy's defense. You're like, this is fucking one play. All right. 22 and 50, 24 and 58. And when they went 40 and 42 two years ago, people were like, what the fuck? Like they're, that's incredible that they're 40 and 42. It was two down years and some of these teams are on year 15. Yeah. And it's also like, you could say a similar thing about the Pacers and the fact that the

Pacers had, you know, when they had Sabo, they traded for Sabonis and Old Depot obviously was injured, but there's a lot of franchises. They're just be like, oh yeah, we'll just, we'll just continue to be like the, the, you know, seventh to 10th best team in the East. And like, we're not going to, you know, like to get out of what they were in that quickly too. Both these teams are just incredible built. If you could have the Thunder's roster tomorrow, and I said you can't watch the Cubs for 10 years.

Ooh. 10 years. Well, remember you're getting five championships out of it. That's a long time. PCA is really awesome. Five championships. Five, yeah, minimum. My brother talks about that guy. PCA? Yeah.

He's fun. He's fun. He's so fast. I was like, what's going on? He's like, yeah, he's like my favorite player. He is gonna, I'll say this, there's gonna be a slight regression just because he's been playing out of his mind, but he's still very good. Like people are gonna start shit, you know when you can feel it coming, especially in

baseball. Like Wally Joyner? This guy's going so hot, obviously he's gonna have a stretch where he's not gonna get a couple hits and then the haters are gonna pile on and be like, see he actually does suck. That might- That's why you should take it to threats. Yeah.

I'm getting ready for it. He's still awesome. I don't care. Ryan, I got a question for you because I can just sense topics sometimes that you're going to be worked up about and and I want to just let you this whole SGA belt thing was the other open I was going to do this week but now I'm not going to do it. I just want to hear you speak about small markets and what this means for the NBA as a whole. You can you can you can mix in a little ratings like just oh that's part of yeah that's part of small market.

Maybe maybe maybe thought starter like jumbo trawling are gonna be good yeah jumbotron in your head is a clay travis tweet being like look the nba is dying now go yeah they're losing market share to the wma which i also hate yeah yeah uh look i think a lot of the ratings decline stuff is driven by people's political beliefs, where if you're really, really right-wing, you love the idea of the NBA being a dying product because it's probably the most progressive of the league, certainly more progressive than the NHL.

There's a lot of bubble stuff that maybe I would even understand some of the criticism of, of being in the moment feeling it was the right thing, and then looking back years later, being like, you know, group economics Jersey. But what I don't like is disingenuous arguments. And I would tell you people that are like in the TV game, the people making these decisions that I've talked to of investing into live rights, they're like, who the fuck is using

traditional ratings anymore? And if you wanna hit me over the head with every NFL rating, guess what? I submit, I'm gonna tap out before they even ask me if I'm ready in the octagon. I don't have an argument. It's the best product, it's on network TV, everybody, it is a part of Americana, It's the best packaged, the scarcity of the inventory

and all of those things. And the fact that it's an OKC Indiana matchup, like the guys that are gonna be doing victory laps on this, I already can name them all, right? But I also saw like ratings numbers for OKC Minnesota that were terrible while ignoring like some really great New York Pacers series numbers. And you're just like, okay, as soon as I see what you're doing, like I remember this, one of my favorite examples were terrible while ignoring some really great New York Pacers series numbers.

And you're just like, okay, as soon as I see what you're doing, I remember this. One of my favorite examples of how fucking pathetic some people are with their political ideology and just hitting you over the fucking head with it over and over and over again is when Kaepernick, that deal had been signed where Kaepernick was with Nike. And if the Nike stock went down, then everybody on the right side of it was like, see, fucking morons. And then the stock price would go up, and then the left side of it would be like, this shows that America gets it and whatever.

And the reality is it fucking had nothing to do with the Kaepernick deal. It was just the way the markets fucking work. There was nothing significant. And whatever way the stock went, for like two weeks, people were going back and forth and arguing it. And my whole point would be like, you're about to get an example, a piece of evidence, that tells you now the NBA is now a declining product,

when we already know because of the small market, the rating isn't gonna be strong. But is that really what this is? Is that really what the investment is from the broadcast partners, where it felt like every single person that has a channel wanted to get involved in the NBA? It's not the NFL. It's not perfect. But you know, you want to compare it to the nineties. All right, let's do it with the NBA. It looks terrible. You want to do it

with any other fucking TV show from the nineties? Because I'm telling you right now, it's probably going to look bad when you start comparing sitcoms to friends. Yeah. Mm hmm. Seven billion people watch the Seinfeld finale. Are you aware of who I am? Larry got canceled. You got that.

That Larry King Seinfeld is so good. And some people were like, Oh, Jerry, the kind of let them have it. I'm like, I actually think he cut, you know, sometimes I don't prep for an interview. And then I watch that Larry King Seinfeld one and I go, you prep enough. Brendan Marshall. I got it. I mean, keep it in this lane. Like, I know I'm on and we're all friends. Do you think I'm crazy for having maybe a bit more open-mindedness of what the ratings truths really are because I, I don't know, maybe I'm the, because I know it's like, oh, you're the NBA guy. I defend what I think is a reasoned way of looking at things and I'm not trying to tell you like, hey, it's the NFL,

because that'd be fucking stupid of me to even try to do. But if the NHL dips in ratings or the MLB dips in ratings, nobody ever talks about how progressive they were as a league. I also just find it very funny that I don't watch sports to be like, I hope a lot of people are also watching this with me. I just don't. I'm excited for these NBA finals. I'm going to watch all the NBA finals.

If the ratings stink, I'm not going to be like, damn, well, that was a waste of time. Yeah, I like the other part of this is kind of like you ask the owners, you go, what do you want? Well, they just did the new TV deal. So timing of things, if it were expiring, you know or again, they'd have the negotiation done prior to that, but if the heat of the negotiation was coming off, what's gonna be potentially a terrible ratings final, maybe that impacts the value of it, but it does feel like all of these broadcast partners go,

hey, I'd still rather be in the second best live rights thing outside of football, which again, college football and the bowl games and what those numbers do are incredible and everything like that. But on a grander scale of what the owners want or don't want, this league forever, the lack of parity, if you didn't have a top five guy, if you didn't have a number two guy that was number 10, it really was like there was no point. And for a long time, we were conditioned to accept that if one team had two stars, then the next third star was gonna be mad and wanna go join those guys.

So clearly, in a way to pull back from the player empowerment decade that we had, the owners introduced stricter financial restrictions. When you really dig into what happens to a team when it's over the second apron for a little while, it's like you're losing draft picks and all that stuff, or like, hey, in the past when the player said, I wanna go there and only there,

now you can go back to that player saying, hey, we'd love to do it for you, but we actually are not legally allowed to do any of those things. And on top of it, trying to, even though it's a split, which is a percentage and the players are guaranteed that amount of money, the restrictions for what individual teams can do, it felt like all the owners

wanted these things to speak to greater parity, to pull some of the power back and then feel like they have a better chance. So there's a version of this finals matchup where you go in a world where it felt like this league had the least amount of parity, is it actually on this stretch of parity that is better for all of the markets as opposed to the very top?

Now granted, look, the NBA office is still rather this big Knicks Lakers, who are we fucking kidding? But if you're an owner of any of these teams, you probably feel like you have more of a chance than you've ever had before with this version of the NBA. I agree. I think it's better as a whole. And like Big Cat said, I personally don't care what the ratings are. I don't care if other people are watching it in mass

like they have in the past. But the one thing I do care about is afterwards, when they put out the ratings of the 50 most watched events on TV this year, I care about it all being NFL, and then maybe one NBA game. Or maybe an Olympics. And then Albert Breer quote tweeting it and saying, NFL is king.

Yeah. That's what I care about. Yeah, because we respect the shield. That's my Super Bowl. Yeah, you guys are big football guys. You could say that. Yeah. I know. I see like a countdown. Yeah, countdowns to like week one. Yeah, it's it'll get like 7000 likes. Yeah. We have a countdown clock in our office college football countdown clock.

That one I don't understand. I'll never understand it. The like, how many fucking tackles did you make? You know, like I don't, I don't really get that. No, I don't get the prideful like, well, I am a football guy. Well, you wouldn't. Yeah. You were basketball. No shit, Ryan. No, I guess I don't get it. Yeah, you would never get it. We're speaking a different language. You know, it listen. Yeah, but for me who watches like 20 hours of football a weekend.

Yeah. See, for you it's a job. For us it's life. Yeah. And that's OK. Listen. Listen. You're right.

You have that shirt too, right? It says football is life. Yeah. Football is life. The rest is just details. This is a long way. I can't even wear that. This is a long way of us saying like, hey, we

hope your little league does OK in the NBA finals, all right? Hey, thanks for giving me this platform. We're rooting for you. We're rooting for you. I got one last question, rowback question, rhoback.com, promo code take, 20% off your first purchase, Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback.com, promo code take. Ryan, well, I need your official prediction, and then I'll ask the last question. Thunder in? Five. Well, I need your official prediction and then I'll ask the last question thunder in

five I Played I think it was plus 680 Thunder games one and two Pacers game three Thunder game four and five Whoo, I like that. I like that. All right, my last question as a former ESPN er Obviously there was a lot of talk this week inside the NBA is going to ESPN Who's the weirdest person that could be on inside the NBA? Is it like Schefter or someone? I think it's more interesting to like, well, by the way, I don't want to make the Mina Kimes joke again.

I know, I know. Cause I wasn't, and I haven't talked to her, but I saw her respond to awful announcing, which I was surprised wasn't doing another Levitard story, so they had room for something else. Something changed, by the way, recently with Awful Announcing. They just aggravate everything. Everything's a beef. It's bizarre. I don't know what-

Well, I think they do big numbers. They do. They do really big numbers, because there's a show basically started like pivoting into covering every single beef. And my whole point was the people that lose their minds. When Mina is on a show, it had nothing to do with no, I knew it. Yeah. So yeah, I, I don't know, you know, it then it turned into a bit of a thing. And I was I was pretty busy yesterday. So I was like, I'm not gonna worry about this one today. Let it let it sort of live and then die off a little bit. I do think it'd be really interesting to see who would ask to be on it. Who would sincerely think, I

don't think Schefter's beyond being crazy enough to be like, could it happen? Need a point guard? Yeah. Need somebody to come in and do something? I know they say you can't win with small point guards I won't no playoffs regular season. What about I don't know how Stephen a doesn't just like oh, he's On the show he's sitting in Chuck's lap But they're not gonna want that oh, you know who'd be a good one Boomer ah Well Boomer deserves to be on it. I wouldn't. And I love them.

And now I'll get aggregated. I could see Orlovsky maybe getting in there for first segment. He's tall as shit. He's really tall. He's a great athlete. They probably just bring him in to talk about food. Yeah. Chuck would just make fun of his like, yeah, eat a Reese's in front of us. We want to make fun of you. Orlovsky would be like, you know what? I put on my cereal instead of milk is mayonnaise. And then boom, that's 45 minutes of TV. You know what'd be killer is if Orlovsky was allowed, he sat down and just turns to the group and goes, I'm here to bring the white guy's perspective. Oh yeah. Dan doing weird food. I would watch that for sure. I would watch Stanford Steve on Inside the NBA too. Yep.

That crew loves Stanford Steve. Well, NBA too. Yep. That crew loves Stanford Steve. Well, everyone does. There's behind the scenes people that love Stanford Steve. He's hung out with them. He might have the best chance. If Ernie's off, I could see them asking Van Pelt and then them liking, because Chuck likes Van Pelt. Everybody loves Van Pelt too. That would be, but I don't, I disagreed with Bill. Bill was like, they're gonna fuck it up. And everybody treats that show like everyone finds, you could even make an argument the show's a little fucking overrated.

Oh, that's good. That's awful. Yeah, that's spicing right there. Yep. No, just that when they come on and they don't wanna talk about the game and Shaq dumps on a center and then they're like we didn't even know who this guy is or this game sucked. Like the

fact that they've been doing it this long they can get away with all that stuff. When the segments are really long and then it goes into the unplanned stuff they are better than that than everybody else. But there's a lot of stuff in that show if you were starting it out being like what the fuck did those guys just do? Like we've all accepted it. in that show, if you were starting it out being like, what the fuck did those guys just do? We've all accepted it. If that show launched next week and none of those guys have been on TV

and they say and do some of the stuff that they do, they would be much more harshly criticized. And because it's also not an ESPN show and it gets to be a TNT show, I think that gives it a bit of a bump. But look, they already what? I mean, they almost released some sort of statement like getting in front in front of the whole thing, but saying we're actually not going to do what Simon said.

Yeah. They can't, they can't mess with it because the reaction will be so severe if, if it, if it changes at all, like it is such a beloved show and it's hard to have a show that has that high of approval rating, that if they mess with it, like you don't bring in that show and mess with it. And Barclay could also just say, hey, they're trying to fuck with our show on the air. He would say it immediately.

Immediately. Yeah, so yeah, you can't do that. I would have a hard time believing that like, I mean, they're probably going to be overly sensitive to try like, Hey, what kind of lens do you guys use? Right? Right. Is that desk a different color? Like, Oh, like, uh, I would be surprised if at some point you wouldn't have like a Steven

Ago and having to stop by or something, but people are going to be so mad about it when it happens. You better wait until like April. Yeah. Yeah. I hope if they get SVP to sit in, they make them wear the bow tie. Like you're good. We're just going to call you Ernie tonight. Tall Ernie. Yeah, I know. It just SVP getting little brothered and he's like 57. Yeah. Oh, all right, Ryan, you're the best. Everyone listen to Ryan Rassilla podcast. Thank you. Excited about the NBA finals. Listen, we're going to watch. So we're going to do our part. All right. But now I'm disappointed because I want to talk about what I was reading. Oh,

yeah. Oh, go ahead. Almost done with Chernow's latest opus 1000 pages on Mark Twain. Oh wow. Mark Twain's a fast you know he was a he was a Shakespeare truther. He would have tweeted a ton. Yeah, 1000 pages on Mark Twain. Yeah, didn't know I needed it can't put it down. Yeah, I mean, look, it's Chernow. You got to do the citizen is as a legal citizen. You got to do your part and read churn out. Yeah. So would you characterize twain is humorist or as a satirist? Oh, satirist. Yeah. Okay, good. Because definitely humorous is a word that people use for people that are trying to be funny that aren't funny. Yeah. Uh, bummed out guy though, man. Mark Twain.

Not so happy. Bummed out guy. Bummed out guy. There's the book. You don't have to read the book now. Oh man. Uh, all right, Ryan, you're the best. Thanks guys. Thanks. Ron Russo was brought to you by Experian. We're going to take a moment to talk about BFFs like my BFF over there on the couch. Hank. Hank is just such a good guy. Great guy. BFF Hank, right? For life. Right. BFF FL. BFF FL. Yep. Well, there's, BFF Hank, right? For life. BFFFL. BFFFL. BFFFL.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest, very good friend, colleague from Spit and Chicklets. It is Keith Yandle. Very, you want another one? I'll take another. Well, it's hard when it's recurring guests and coworker and friend. So it's like, I don't know how many, I don't know if I go very, very good friend or very, very special guests.

Do you know what I mean? I'll take both. Okay. I'd say, um, great friend, even better guest. Yeah. Wow. That's huge. Yeah. I'll take, I'll take anything. Yeah. All right. So Stanley cup final, we're ready to go. Your Florida Panthers versus Wits, Edmonton Oilers. There it is right there. Let's start with the most important thing. I told you that you got an invite from Marlins Man to sit on the glass and you just, I think you just ha haed it and not replied. Is that mean that you are gonna go with Marlin's Man and sit on the glass? Well, your text was Marlin's Man has four seats

on the glass, Yans has one, so I thought that was already clear cut. Okay, you're done. Yeah, okay, good. So you're gonna sit with Marlin's Man. Are you excited for that? Yeah, I can't wait. I never sat on the glass before, so that'll be a first. I plan on wearing all my clothes

on like the last guy who's sitting on the glass that works for this company. Yes. So yeah, it should be a lot of fun. I met Marlins man at the at the racetrack down at the Gulf Stream one time and obviously shirt said Marlins man I told them that we're very, very very very good friends and very good co-workers so You know, I talked to him for a bit but what a trip that guy is Yeah

I remember that you you FaceTime me out of the blue and I was like, oh yes It's FaceTime me in the middle of the day and then you just put the phone on Marlins man I was like, oh man, here we go. He's locked in. You gotta ask him about his cats when you're hanging out with him He has he could talk about was your mom. Jesus Christ, Marlin's man. Who's crazy? What a sicko. Man.

I love the guy, but let's stay away from family here, Marlin's man. Let's be clear about that. Oh yeah, you should ask him about his cats. He's got like nine Maine Coon cats, and they're all, I think, like 50 pounds. He's got Panthers living in his house. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, well that means that's so he got the seats on the glass for free just for being that big of a loyal fan Yeah owning that many cats. That's awesome. Yeah Alright, let's talk. Let's talk some hockey. How are you feeling?

Confidence wise obviously a rematch from last year goes seven now. You got to go to Edmonton first It feels like the Panthers are the best team but like are you nervous at all that like this might be a storybook Connor McDavid kind of like Sidney Crosby kind of like Wayne Gretzky where he loses and then wins against in the rematch type of year yeah no there I mean everyone puts all that type of stuff out there in the internet they did it for You know the first round series against Toronto with you know Biz and his buddy hockey Illuminati making It's just people making up ways to hopefully help their team win, but I don't see anything with it

You know different different times different players different teams That stuff means absolutely nothing different times, different players, different teams. That stuff means absolutely nothing. Obviously it's good storylines and something to talk about, but I think when it comes down to it, it really doesn't mean anything. And this Florida Panthers team, man, they know what they're doing.

They know how to play in these big games. Obviously Edmonton back in the finals as well. But yeah, I think that Florida is too deep, uh, too big, too mean, and, uh, and they're ready to roll. So if we're comparing it to last year, that would be a pretty fair comparison, right? Two same two teams rematch, which team do you think improved the most over the last 12 months? Honestly, I'd probably say Florida. Uh, you know,

there was a lot of talk with Edmonton getting a little bit older and a little bit slower, but those guys have helped them out a ton this year. I think Corey Perry, 40 years old, I think this is his fifth or sixth Stanley Cup appearance. I wouldn't even say that that's a bad thing for them, getting older and slower. They're getting a lot of help from those guys. I think just what the moves that Florida made with bringing in a stud defenseman like Seth Jones and then Brad Marchand, who's probably going to be a Hall of Famer and a guy that is built for playoff hockey and built the way that Florida has been playing the last

few years. In my opinion, I would say Florida got..., obviously they were really good last year and one at all, but I think they got even better and even deeper. So from like a nerd hockey perspective, uh, I feel like I kind of understand Florida, but maybe you can explain it better. Like their strength is their depth and the fact that they are able to just keep on rolling lines and for check the fuck out of you and you basically never feel like you have good footing in an offensive set. Is that fair to say? Yeah, very fair. And I don't even know if it's like a depth thing because every team's deep and has good players and there's so many good players in the league. I think it's more like I give a lot of credit to Sasha Barkov. players in the league. I think it's more like I give a lot of credit to Sasha Barkov. Like if someone on his line goes out, they can bring a guy in from the stands and he's going to look

like he's been playing on his line all year. It just goes to show how good Barky is and just a true hockey player where he just all he wants to do is make people around him better. He's so unselfish, just won the Selkie, just won the Leadership Award as well. So just a guy that has all the hardware and has nothing to prove in this game, he's going to be a Hall of Famer. But I think just what he does for his line mates and the guys that are playing with him to help them be a better player, to help them get their success, because he honestly, he doesn't care about himself All he cares about is winning and you know, you see I think it was two series ago

Boquist who hadn't played at all gets put on his line and he had two goals and like he looks like he was a You know a first-line player so I think a lot of that credit should go to bark you with how deep their team is just because They can plug anyone in with him and and he's he's a horse and they can flourish with him. I want to get your feedback on a very important issue to us as a podcast, the handshake line. We love the handshake line, the best tradition in sports, but there was some controversy about the handshake line in the Eastern Conference Finals. Can you tell us, one, if we should be offended as handshake line guys and two

should coaches be in the handshake line? Yeah I think you should be offended and yes coaches should be involved I think I mean obviously I'm not a coach and Paul Maurice has done it a lot longer than you know 90% of the guys in the league but I just think that you know maybe he's downplaying how much that coaches mean to a team, especially during playoffs. It's the hours that they're putting in, the schemes that they're coming up with, the video that they're watching. I think they deserve to be in there. And whether you're winning a series or losing a series, going through that handshake line, just what it means to shake every guy's hand, look them in the eye, tell them good,

either good luck or good series. I think it's one of the best traditions in hockey and, uh, it shouldn't, it shouldn't be taken away. Yeah. I watched the games for the handshake line sometimes and, uh, and to have the coaches just say, we're not a part of it, dude, you're part of it. You part of this team. Uh, I think he was saying that, that coaches didn't used to be. But then they became part of the

handshake line. And now they're trying to pull that back. And they're trying to say, No, we're not doing this anymore. I say the more handshakes, the better. Yeah, I do like how they only do it once like you never hate shaking hands after a regular season game. It's kind of it's all hate till you know, that, that seven game series where guys are literally trying to kill each other and you know to just show the the amount of class that guys have of going out there shaking guys hands and

You know what it mean and like you guys like the fans love seeing it you know you see these animals going to work every single night and And trying to kill each other and then they're just shaking hands and giving hugs and licking their wounds Did you ever get in a handshake line where you shook hands with someone? They're like, I don't really think they mean it like they're not respecting the handshake line No, not really. I mean my most favorite one is when uh, it was Montreal in Boston and Milan Luchic Like looked every single guy in the eye. I think Montreal beat Boston. He was like, basically, like, I'm going to kill you next game.

Look, look it up. It's one of the most frightening thing. Cause he, he, he was like a bona fide monster. Like he could, he could have beat up anyone and he'd scored 20, 30 goals a year. Uh, so I think that one kind of sticks out the most, but I was never a part of anywhere there was any shenanigans going on. Is it usually just guys being like, go win it all? So I think that one kind of sticks out the most, but I was never a part of anywhere there was any shenanigans going on. Is it usually just guys being like, go win it all?

Yeah, yeah. Usually, yeah, it depends, because at the end of the day, if you do lose to a team, it looks better if that team that beat you goes on to win the Stanley Cup. So you're probably rooting for them a little bit, but yeah, it's usually the great series.

You know, during playoffs, you're mostly playing against the same guys. You're matched up, you're matched up against the same guys. So you see a lot of each other and, um, you know, just the telling, telling a guy, great series, you know, you, you, you did a number on me, those type of things that it goes a long way. I'm watching this video right now of Lucha. He is just staring every guy.

He's like, scary. He's like like you're fucking dead. You're fucking dead And the Canadians are just like come on guys. Let's get through this line Start a fight out here. I got rocks Are you worried at all about Skinner? Starting to kind of stand on his head a little bit because he has he's had weird moments in these playoffs Obviously they started down Was it oh to do they start the whole playoffs? Yeah down oh to yeah He has, he's had weird moments in these playoffs. Obviously they started down, was it 0-2? Did they start the whole playoffs?

Yeah, down 0-2. Yeah, against the Kings, right? Yeah, against the Kings, he had the, you know, buzzer beater goal with the Golden Knights series. But in between that, he's been awesome. And like, do you feel confident that Bob is gonna outplay Skinner, or is there a chance that Skinner has another level to him?

I think it's a this layover is good for the Panthers. I think, you know, worst case, I think, I think they might lose first game. I think there's going to be a lot of goals. So take the over first game, uh, sponsored by draft Kings. But, um, yeah, I think that's going to hurt them because I don't think Skinner can turn it on like Bob can I think you gotta have To be that that different type of animal that Bob is where you know if he goes out on on Wednesday Tonight when the show's airing he could give up six and then the next game give up none But so I think for Oilers fans if Skinner does go out and lay an egg You know tonight, I think they could be in for a long series, but I think Bob has the mental capacity to, if he does have a bad game to shut it off and go on to the next one, how much does Connor McDavid scare you?

Cause I mean, that's obviously he's the best player in the world. Uh, is there hockey's not like a NBA where it's like, all right, team with the best player is going to win. It's a more of a team sport, but is there a world where it's like, all right, team with the best player is gonna win. It's more of a team sport, but is there a world where you're like, what if Conor McDavid just plays out of his mind and that could be it? Yeah, and it does scare me a little.

I mean, obviously he's been amazing this whole playoff series, but I mean this whole playoffs, but remember last year, I think he had 40 points, which is insane and you know so there could be one of those series where he really just pops off and he's you know got 15 points by the end of this series so that scares me a little bit because you know he's one of one where you know he's a guy that at any time can do whatever he wants on the ice. He can score goals, make great plays, and he's got another top five player in the league,

Leon Dreisaitl with him. Then when they put those guys together, when they're down a goal or two, it's scary as an opposing team. You know you're going to get a lot of shots on you, a lot of time in your D-zone. Like we said earlier with Bob, I think he's that guy in there that kind of settles the group a little bit. And we talked to Sam Reinhardt yesterday and he's,

they play where their D are up in the play, they're pinching, they're up in the offense and they're willing to make some mistakes and give up some odd man rushes because they know they got Bob back there to settle them down and make big saves. But yeah, Connor does scare me a little bit, you know, just with how good of a player he is. But I think Florida has the guys that can control them.

All right. So play devil's advocate because obviously rooting for the Panthers. What what do the Oilers have to do to win this series? Oh man. I think I think it has to be McDavid the McDavid show. I think he's got to put on a clinic. I think he's you know, earlier you said you look at the history of when Sid and Wayne and you know those guys passing the torch. I think for him to win this series. He's got to he's got to be the guy all series and not have any shifts off because Florida is a team that doesn't take any shifts off. Their big guys play hard every single night.

Even when Florida's big guys aren't scoring, they're making plays defensively. They're not giving up opportunities. So I really think for him, if they're going to win this, he's got to put on a show for the ages. Do you think Florida's dirty? Yeah. Oh yeah. I love that. I mean, they, they, it feels like they get under everyone's skin and there, do you think like they'll not go like, well yeah, they'll, they'll take runs at Connor McDavid in the series. Yeah. I mean, you look at last year, Sam Bennett and Connor McDavid grew up playing on the same team. I think they're really good friends. And, you know, Bennett's punching them in the face

after whistles, they're getting under his skin. And, you know, it's just when, especially in the Stanley Cup playoffs, like it's, you know, they call it North Bay rules, because I guess there was a prison up in North Bay that there was no rules. So they call it North Bay rules, where it's just anything goes, gotta find a way to win the game. And Florida has done

a really good job of that. But also staying out of the box too, because Edmonton's a team. If you get, if you get stuck on the PK all night, you're going to be losing a lot of games. Yeah. So in terms of just the style matchup between the two teams, who would you say on paper has the advantage given the brand of hockey that they play? the two teams, who would you say on paper has the advantage given the brand of hockey that they play? Probably say Florida. Uh, I think home ice obviously is going to help Edmonton. Um, but Florida has been really good on the road too.

So I just, I really think that the way that Florida is built to play, they're built to play in, in, in the playoffs, they're big, they're mean, they're fast, they're dear, huge. You know, guys like Aaron Echblad, Mikula, like these guys are 6'4 with massive, you know, wingspans that can eliminate you anywhere on the ice. And, you know, so I just I really think that they're D, especially are just built for playoffs, like guys like Seth Jones, He's six, four, probably two 30 and just eliminates guys. So, um, just, yeah, I would say Florida probably has the upper hand of the way that they're built. All right. I want to talk chicklets real quick because there's a

storyline that came out this week. It echoes. It's very NBA actually. I know you guys don't like to hear that. Um, but one of the stars of your show biz revealed that he's actually been injured throughout the entire playoffs, but he's got gout. How did Biz get gout? He looks to be in pretty good shape. Well, he told us last night and I looked it up on mine. Um, he's eating 20 ounces of steak a night. He's eating, he's eating, he's eating a 12 ounce steak for dinner, like a normal at seven o'clock at TNT.

They treat you right. Like they got runners taking it and he's getting it from Morton's or whatever. Like, you know, they're loading it with butter and yeah, he's getting, he's getting a 12 ounce steak at seven o'clock and then another eight ounce steak at, at 10 o'clock, 11. He's like, oh, I just want to to just because he doesn't need a mashed potato with it he thinks that he's doing the right thing but the guy is just such a drag and he sent a video walking through the airport the other day it was so fucking funny like how do you eat that much

steak and like there's no like you shouldn't eat that in a month like right two steaks even it's in a chicken I would I would even say if you eat 20 ounces of steak in one steak That's different than having two separate servings of steak. Yeah, cause your body's like, okay. I'm in steak mode I'm gonna process the steak but then like three hours later his body's like what the fuck dude more red meat He's doing an encore of steak He's doing an encore of steak. Dessert steak has never been done.

His body's trying to break down the first 12 ounces as the next eight ounces are coming in and just, yeah, it's he thinks cause he, uh, he only eats steak and goes for hikes that he's healthy, but to get gout, not drinking is unbelievable. Like that he's got to be the first guy in history to ever have that. That's incredible. This is in relatively good shape. He looks like he's still skinny works out for him to get gout. Yeah. It's like maybe just only have one steak for dinner. That's your prescription. But like everybody else in the world, maybe do it once a week,

maybe twice a week. Like Morton's has chicken Morton's has salmon. Yeah. You, they have Sal. You can get whatever you want there. I mean, you guys know him more like as much as I do. He he's an excessive guy and whatever he's going to do, he's going all in and he's all in on the state. Was it kind of a pussy move for him to admit this before the cup finals? Like this is something you got to say after the cup finals. Yeah, it just goes to his inexperience, right? Like he's a Toronto Maple Leafs fan. They're not used to getting out of like he's, he's used to golfing right now. So, and he said, he, he, he threw out his L five S one, which is a, uh, running joke with our, with our group. Cause he, he does more yoga than anyone he stretches all day like if you ever see him like during a

Survivor they'd have like five minute clips of him just stretch. Yeah, and it's like there's a whole routine in the morning It's crazy and he's still very un-flexible. It's probably because all the red meat realistic He's turning into a cow I He's turning into a cow. I threw out a stat on PMT on Monday and I wanted your take on it because you actually were teammates with him. So this is the 45th consecutive year that a player in the Stanley Cup final is a teammate of Yarmir Yager. You were a teammate of his.

Was he just the best dude ever? It feels like he doesn't get talked enough about like being, you know, whatever you want to say, top 10 player of all time also seems like the best dude. Was he just the best to be around? I loved him. He was, he was literally, he was like a kid that just loved hockey. That's all literally all he cared about was hockey. He was at the rink, you know, say you got to be there at 9am. He was probably there at like six 30 and he'd go home, nap for a little bit and then come back to the rink. This is at home on the road.

Like where the arena is in Fort Lauderdale in sunrise, no one lives around there. Everyone lives in either Boca or Fort Lauderdale on the ocean. He lived within walking distance of the arena just so he could be close to the rink so he could go there every time but he was such a treat man like just his love for the game like to be I think he was probably like 42 years old when I played with him and just How happy he was every day to be at the rink? I'd bring like the way he used to snack on

Blueberry muffins or chocolate chip muffins and I'd get him a muffin every once in a while and he would love it He'd eat it in the back of the bus like he was hiding something. But he was the best. He also had some great mullets. Did he still have the mullet when he played with you? No, no, I wish that old school mullet that he had was so good coming out of the Jofa helmet, probably the worst helmet of all time, but he made it look good. His hair at one point was like, you're lame, PFT Yeah, it was long and he had an aggressive mullet I mean he cut that thing off like 90 degree angle at the ears and just the waterfall in the back that to me

That's 1980s early 90s hockey when I think of that. I think of Jagger's mullet. It was beautiful Yeah, YouTube some of the videos of him like when he first came over to play for Pittsburgh like His first I think one of the first things he bought came over to play for Pittsburgh like his first I think one of the first things he bought was like a jean tuxedo because he just wanted to look like North American and like he'd drive his Porsche as he used to get he told me he got some crazy speeding tickets of just you know he was just a young stud in the NHL just he was the best and he deserves a lot of credit for how good Barkov is

because Barkov kind of gravitated towards him and then you know those guys would just go go to the rink all day and put in work and I think that the work ethic that Barki has a lot comes from Yogg's. Yeah I had a dumb thought the other day when I was watching hockey do we underestimate how athletic the referees are in hockey? Mm hmm. So I was telling my buddies the other day, like down here in Florida, people don't know a ton about hockey, but the linesmen, the guys who are breaking up the fights and calling on like,

they're the strongest guys on the ice, like those guys grab you. And it's like, oh, man, it's like your dad grabbing you when you're a kid. It's scary. Like they're big. They're all probably all the linesmen are probably six, three, six, like I'd say six, two to six, four and massive men. The, the, the refs are a little smaller, but very athletic. You know, just skating without a stick is like for me,

if I'm skating without a stick, you feel naked. Like you don't know what to do. And the way that they skate around the ice and, you know, with four of them on the ice now too, there's not a lot of room for them to move they're always in a good position. Yeah the refs don't get a lot of love so you know you got to give them and then you see the one of the chick-a-rooney took a stick to the eye this year he'll be doing the finals he's one of the best in the game you know comes back a week early I texted him a day to it he's like I'll be back I'll be back like these get these guys take it serious man

they they they love the game just as much as the players do they take a lot of pride in what they do and You know, hopefully that gets Florida some good calls this year and they don't come off the ice. That's crazy Yeah, like we always say like He comes off the ice all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Even go public skating for 60 minutes straight or even, you know, 20 minutes, they get a rest that, uh, in between the periods. But if you're standing up the whole time, like you're like, I don't know how goalies do it. I would take a knee every single, uh, time out. If I was a goalie down the other end, I don't know how they stand that

long. They're, they're just well-oiled machines all the refs and goalies Yeah, all right last question row back question RHOBACK.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase qzips polos hoodies joggers shorts Great Father's Day stuff at row back use promo code take 20% off. All right, give us you have Panthers how many games I Think it's gonna go six I You have Panthers. How many games? I think it's going to go six. Um, I think they steal one on the road early, uh, and take care of business at home and then, you know, when it at home, I think winning at home, uh, game six would be huge. Uh, you know, a lot of

that comes from, I don't want to go to Edmonton for game seven. I think we'd have to go for that. So I'm really, really playing praying it's in a game six. Yeah. Give a mayor's bet with a, with Whitney, a mayor's bet. Yeah. No, we actually should. You guys got any ideas? Let's see.

You could give them some what's big in South Florida. Two C. Yeah. You give him some two C and then if the Panthers win, he has to just tweet Connor McDavid is a fraud. He would never do that. He would never do that.

He might kill me by the end of this series. I honestly think, I think he wants you dead at some point. I don't know if you bet on them or not. I didn't. I'm going to put some major money on the Oilers. I told't. I'm going to put some major money on the oilers. I told him. So I, I, I figured it out. Like I was obviously busting his balls because we were texting about the Dallas series and he's like, you're rooting for Dallas. I was like, no dude, I'm I'm rooting for the oilers cause I want them to lose in the final. Um, and so, and he like

said, I was like, I might even just bet on them. And he got very mad at me. I was like, you know what? I think this is actually where the line is. Like I'm not going to bet on him and he got very mad at me. I was like, you know what? I think this is actually where the line is. Like I'm not going to bet on them because he, it might actually break up our friendship. So I'll go up to that line, but I'm not going to bet on the words. I'm going to watch it as a fan. I'm going to bet over in game one. Uh, but yeah, he's, he might just take out all his anger on me. I mean, big cat, this is exclusive. Uh, we have been named to be fan ambassadors for the Edmonton Oilers. Wow. Yeah. Which is huge.

So now we're basically, I'm pretty much part of the team. That's huge. You guys should go to the Moss Pit. What's the Moss Pit? We know what the Moss Pit is. Oh yeah, yeah. The Moss Pit. I'll tell the listeners. Liv Moss.

You tell the listeners. It's a pit outside of their arena with a statue of Joey Moss, who was a guy that worked the visitors room for a long time. He had Down syndrome. He was the best guy ever. And I believe Wayne was the one who had him there.

So he was there forever. And he passed away, but they have a section outside of the arena where fans can watch the game altogether. And you know, it's a gong show out there. And then even if they win, win or lose, they're fighting after the game. They just get into these absolute scrap. There'll be two guys in a Conor Mc, their Conor McDavid jersey, just blast in each other. And you know, at the end of it, they're like, Oh,

good game. Shake hands. See you later. of it, they're like, up, good game, shake hands, see you later. Unless they're coaches, but, uh, it's, yeah, it's amazing. But yeah, that's awesome. You guys are ambassadors. The only, didn't Dave, uh, he bet on it. Yes. Five, six games. Yeah. Yeah.

So, so here's my, if it does go to seven, he's going to be rooting for Florida, right? Cause he won't give, he'll be so pissed. Yeah. So that's kind of the only reason I hope it goes to does go to seven, he's going to be rooting for Florida, right? Cause he won't give it. He'll be so pissed. So that's kind of the only reason I hope it goes to seven so he can get all over wit for that and, and being wits here, but wits a good fan. He's a, he's a really good for any played for the team. That was my only gripe with biz with Toronto. Like he never, he never played for the team.

Never even played against them. Nevermind. Play for you. And, and when also like he's been riding hard, I know this is going to sound really silly, but the puck drop for the Eastern time zone in the playoffs is so fucking late and he's just, he's said it to us, he just doesn't sleep during the playoffs, but he's there, he's doing spaces in between periods, he's as diehard as it gets So yeah, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna push it too far and bet on the Oilers

But I am gonna be I'm gonna be watching and I'm be having fun. I'm gonna have fun I'm gonna watch as a fan. Oh, yeah, you should come down to Florida for a game. No, I will Marlins man You got your down your seat and all the cats. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, he's mom. No, she's not going down there The seats are first cat. He owns cats, but he rinsed cats. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, he has t's mom. No, she's not going down there The seats are first cat he owns cats, but he rinsed pussy. Yeah All right, yeah, and you're the best everyone tuning to spitting chicklets all Stanley Cup final. They'll have awesome They're doing live shows. They're doing streams. They're doing everything so tune in and we'll see ya see you boys. Thank you And we'll see you. See you boys. Thank you.

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that helps AWAOs get through our lives and distract us from hard times. Oh, appreciate that. Good question, we were just talking about this today. Yeah, we're thinking through some things. I think we have, should we just say the idea? Because it doesn't matter, it won't ruin anything. First, I think Zach might be involved.

Yeah, Zach might be involved. So there's six of us. So I think we're gonna do teams of two, three teams of two, and what we're gonna do for a PMTV episode, we're all gonna sit in the conference room and do a Mount Rushmore draft that then we put out the poll, and then we'll just, whoever finishes first will be linked up with the sixth place person

and that might be how we decide the teams. But I'm excited for Mount Rushmore season. Zach, what do you know about Mount Rushmore season? So I would assume Mount Rushmore being the four prominent presidents in the Mount Rushmore there. We're doing seasons based on such. Yep. This is some context. And then we're going back from there. Yeah, okay. You can move your mics. God, you my bad. So

that's good. It's good. So now the three operative words are Mount Rushmore season season. Yeah. So you broke down Mount Rushmore. And then you described what a season was pretty good. What do you think we do during Mount Rushmore, and then you described what a season was pretty good What do you think we do during? Mount Rushmore season I would assume Picking out your Mount Rushmore as of seasons not seasons regarding to like winter fall spring anything like that yeah upcoming season of play Okay, so what we do is

Close yeah, you're close. I'm really close. You know what Mount Rushmore is, you know what seasons are, so that's a good building block. You're on the block. But what we do is during the summer when there's no NFL, NBA, or NHL going on, is we have a topic on every show and we have to submit our four best picks, like the four presidents on Mount Rushmore, that fit that category. So it would be like, Mount Rushmore of the best NFL head coaches of all time.

And then you'd have to figure out if you were to make that Mount Rushmore, whose faces would you put on? It's oftentimes way more dumb than what, like yellow things was a big one last year. Yeah, give us your four top yellow things. Four top yellow things, banana would be huge. Usually the big rafts at water parks are yellow. Yo, that's a good one. Love a good yellow raincoat.

Also love, you know, sometimes the casino yellow chips be in a decent amount at a hard rock. They're like, I think in the- You're ready. It might be a natural. You might be ready. Cheese. What's on your Mount Rush more of pizza toppings? Pizza toppings? One one I'm probably gonna go sausage mm-hmm pepperoni yeah mm-hmm ham yeah olive double olive no vegetables top four so so we've got sausage pepperoni ham finish this off bacon would be yeah bacon that's a that's a really really good not all those four that's good yeah what about my rush for green things my wish were green things I'm gonna go streaming casserole maybe not that's not bad oh they got the onions on top doesn't count my no no it's more just terrible pick but yeah fair, yeah, definitely got different green things in me.

I'm gonna go, two would be Xbox, three would be... He's right on that, the green rings. Yeah, the whole branding is green, super green. Three I'm gonna go with a nice green pasture, love a good field, love a good site of grass, and four I'm gonna go palm tree, I love palm trees. Okay, money didn't make the cut It's it could be all rounded out top. Maybe top ten. Yeah, okay green jacket st. Patrick's Day Top 15 green jacket great st. Patrick's a great pick. That's fantastic pick. Thanks. Okay, you're ready. You're ready

You're so ready. Love you Zach. Yeah, let me do you're so ready. All right, Hank. What's the next one? You're so ready. Love you, Zach. Yeah, love you too. You're so ready. All right, Hank, what's the next one? Hey, big cat, PFT, King Hank, and the guy who won't ever win the lottery ball. If you could take someone in PMT's talent, whose talent would you take and what talent would the talent be?

I know. I mean, PFT playing guitar. That would be mine. Yeah. Maybe Hank's leaping ability. Memes is memes and ability ability like a knowledge of the internet You know pretty high up there. It is it's but it's also kind of like you have that not to memes is level He might be too knowledgeable. Yeah memes has everything

he literally just like But that's not something I would The internet round takes over and I had zero of and and a star dish would close his eyes and the internet runs through. I would take something that I had zero of and a super edition. You have knowledge of the internet, you would just be slightly upgrading. So why wouldn't you take PFT's driving ability? Because I'd rather, I can't, that's the same thing. I can drive, it would just be a slight upgrade. I'd rather go from zero to 100.

Are you talking about like a car? No that would be a major down for a second I thought that's what I was getting I I would probably take max's singing ability. Mmm people know that Max Max. He's got some pipes very good singer I mean the PFTs guitar is just the yeah, it is or maybe flight or flying plane flying simulating yeah, you take my ability to pretend to fly a plane Max's hot dog catching ability yeah facts last one long time awl first time caller one question Fuck Mary kill Joc wit Rossello. Oh

That's so easy Okay, you go ahead. Yeah, hang on. Yes, fuck Rossello. Okay. Good-looking, dude I'm Mary wit mm-hmm golf all time sit you guys yeah Yeah, but when you go golf and you do that to get away from your wife right no I'd love to marry a girl likes to golf and I killed Josie Okay, because you could then I see what you're doing. No, I'm getting the competition out of the way. No comment. No comment.

No comment. I would not peace times. So what would you do? We're in peace times. I think I think I'd probably marry JLC. This is good. Keep going because we'll all do different answers. And Matt think I think

I would kill Rossello and I would fuck Whitney. The ears are you could get on hearings and hold on to those ears. Yeah. So I would marry Rossello. What's the combo that I need to do here? You would kill Jesse. No fuck Joc. You already killed you You're killing Whitney which works for this moment. Yeah, also you saying you'd kill her soul like sorry, dude You're dead. Yes, he's gonna hear that and be like, oh PFT thinks he could take me He's got to feed me for the record. I said it makes sense because he's mad at you right now. Yeah Well, I don't want to listen. He's coming on he's coming on Friday. He's mad at me for fair reasons. I might have said when he claimed that I was rooting against the Oilers against the Dallas Stars, I said, actually, that's not true. I'm rooting for the Oilers to beat the Dallas Stars and then

lose in tragic fashion in the Stanley Cup final. So that was sick, twisted, deranged, all fair. So really actually, Whitney and I aren't in the beef everything he said I agree with so you're on his side I'm on his side so much so if he hates you then he's actually hating himself right and also hating the Oilers yep yeah I'm so on his side but yeah he's gonna come on after game one for Friday we'll hash it all out I'll be honest any of those three guys catches oh I love him for marriage I mean those are those the three top guys in terms of guest appearances Titus might be the only one other one in there I don't know. Yeah, it's all time. Yeah, we do this Whitney's number one

So Titus is to taz's to but we're still has got to be up there and so does JLC I I love all three of those guys fucking love them not Titus just so we're clear I feel like J is talking about Whitney. He's been on a run. I also love Titus Before we do numbers real quick Wait, what is it? You have it? We do this all the time. Yes Zach real quick. This is this show is gonna go out on Wednesday morning By the time the show's gonna go out on Wednesday morning. By the time the show's out, you're gonna be waking up to the biggest day of your life.

Do you have any predictions or thoughts about your delivery of ice cream to this office, which will take place on Wednesday? The prediction is satisfied customers. Okay. For the ice cream delivery. Cause Hank took a video of you and Jacob the other part of the cream team Being talked to by the technician and you guys took no notes

For two hours. I didn't want to be rude and pull the phone out right in front of mr Eric because he was doing such a great job Explaining the process of cleaning and disassembling the machine as soon as we were done with the live demonstration I went straight to the notes app and put some spark notes in give us two notes I can do that one you're gonna want to make sure that you lube the the drive shafts but not the hex bolt at the end okay and also when you put that front face on for the drawer you need to keep a steady hand on it so your seals don't fall because you don't want to leak okay so this guy that what he just said he's

the one who's standing between us and Listeria. But I was very impressed. I was just recall that off the top of your head. He's ready to go. Yeah. Do you have photographic memory? No, not close. It was all film. So technically, I can go back and watch tape on what on what the guy, the man was saying, Mr. Eric. I heard a little rumor from Mincy

that the toppings might not be ready for Thursday, or for Wednesday, that might get pushed back. We can't have the ice cream grand opening without the toppings. Well, we can. I think we're gonna have, it's not the toppings, because Mincy did not invent how to buy like Reese's and crush them up.

It's the free toppings holder that he is holding us up with. So we will make do. So Mincy will go out, buy the toppings, and then Mincy will crush them up? No, I don't want him touching any of our food. I think Zach will do that. The toppings have been secured.

The holder, we can work out. That's gonna be a great display and a great way for self self-service toppings you want to fluctuate how much you want to do but you're gonna have toppings for ice cream tomorrow. Zach before tomorrow I really tonight you got to go OG run the ball Green Bay power sweep do the traditional McDonald's dinner you have to have all your energy for tomorrow. It's only right it also feels like a it's a good call yeah I agree. Zach have you tried the fries well done thing

I did yeah, I did so the other day. I'm gonna tell you I think of the smalls fall try the fries Well done. I went one regular one well done I did enjoy the well done because they're a little hotter than the regular so it almost felt like I came a little bit fresher I appreciate the recommendation very much. Yeah, little life. That's huge. It was yeah great alright good show boys. Let's do numbers 33 That's memes. That was memes. 77. 6. 11. 99. Pug.

95. 95. Zach's also one for one on his tasks. 21. Oh, he got new headphones. Got new headphones. Nice work. Memes, what was the number you guessed on Monday?

Zach gets things done. We six okay great I have six Thank you 55 71 what you have 77 oh 71 what you have 77 oh well like the ones look like seven what do you want more yeah let's see one more let's go boys same numbers or should I say the 3. That was PFT. I'll go 11. 6. Come on 3. 66. 74. 99.

53. 44. 21. What was that number, Zach? 53. Memes, what was your number? 11. 11.

11. 11. 11. 11. 11. 11. 44 21 what was that number Zach 53 it means what was your number 11? Did I say 74 what I said Did you say 74 this is 70 no no no I said 70 something I actually can't remember you said 70 This is a do you say 70 I think I said 74 everyone's hey Would you say the booth and cannot I said 66? I'm pretty sure I said 70 thank we this will be the one this will be the least you said 74 no no

I see said 77 last time I'm pretty sure I said 76. We can we could someone go listen back go Shane Give us a ruling. We're going to VAR We're going to VAR. We're going to VAR. Where you going Hank? He's got a P. He's got a P You can't take a P. I'm gonna suspend myself for one lottery ball if I'm wrong That's like that. You got it. I think I said 74 you got to know your number I know there's so many numbers, but you you just have to remember the one that you said no But this is fair if he's saying that maybe I was even myself then there's a punishment if you get it wrong Yeah, that's fair. What happens to memes if?

Well, I mean I've already gotten it. It's good place. I know but could anything worse happen to ya I Know I I want I need Zack to get it bad. Oh so bad. That's what I'm rooting for. Yeah, it's not hard How about Zack gets your number? I think means is coming soon three's gonna know Kind of patronizing which I appreciate yeah, that's your steaks was that a patronizing you think means gonna get it No, I think physically if you keep riding three, it's gonnaizing you think means gonna get it? No I think statistically if you keep riding three it's gonna hit. You think so? Yeah!

Let's go! 74 in your face memes! VAR! VAR comes through. Memes look at me. Do you see how fucking easy it is dude? Yeah. Yeah.

It's all Shane's fault. Why is it Shane's fault? He's copying everybody's glasses. Wait what? We got a glass? Do we have a controversy in the booth? It is dude. Yeah, yeah, it's all Shane's fault. What why is it Shane's fault? It's copying everybody's glasses Wait what we got a glass it do we have a controversy in the booth? Me just did like five Shane insults in a row I

Like this like so many we have so many dudes in a booth right Zach are you Italian? There's six by the way not super sure on lineage Are you Italian? There's six by the way not super sure on lineage Even see why Count it 74 means dude isn't it crazy that you can't get this Point at it's so easy. I'm pointing at you and got it. I was pointing it for now Yeah, but I just got the first ever VAR. I can't nobody's gotten it what?

Big head got it. Nobody else has gotten it. I've gotten it like five times Yeah, you guys just living in the past that was like my third time and I just did I also just got a grass ever V a lot of gun it in the past What I've got in the past? Is like the Super Bowl all over again, I'm so far ago I got a couple times. I literally got it to to choose no no grass you nobody else has gotten it Oh, hey, did you also not sure in the past five minutes? You know that Shane stealing people's glasses? Yeah? We got a problem in scoping PFT. Have you gotten the water ball? I've got it twice Oh, okay good look at all our boys with their headphones on and glasses. I don't know

We got five. No you just copy eight And glasses, I don't know. We got five headphones. Yeah, no, you just copy and eat. It's blue light. Oh, those are... Yeah, actually, yeah. Yeah, you know what Shane, that's fucked up. You would buy glasses. I can't believe they made more than one pair of those glasses.

That was a joke in your defense, Shane. Oh, thank you. Alright, love you guys. So So do I'm going to go ahead and get started. I'm going to go ahead and get started. I'm going to go ahead and get started. I'm going to go ahead and get started. I'm going to go ahead and get started. I'm going to go ahead and get started. I'm going to go ahead and get started. I'm going to go ahead and get started. I'm going to go ahead and get started.

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