Pardon My Take - Jaguars Co-Owner Tony Khan, Cubs Patrick Wisdom And Suns In 4

Episode Date: June 23, 2021

The Suns win in an absolute thriller. Playoff P is back. Canadiens are just going to keep on winning (2:50 -13:07). Carl Nassib comes out as the first active gay NFL player (13:07 - 19:18). Hot Seat/Cool Throne (19:18 - 43:00). Jaguars Co-Owner Tony Khan joins the show to talk wrestling, the Jaguars, and tons more (43:00 - 80:39). Cubs Patrick Wisdom joins us in studio to talk baseball, how much it sucks to face Jacob deGrom, hitting homers and respecting 90 (80:39 - 102:31). We finish with Mike Greenberg's dumb rules about baseballs sticky stuff and FAQ's.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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where JB Weld guys now tweet us your JB Weld when you buy that strong bond. Today is Wednesday, June 23rd, suns in for that ending ruled. That was awesome. So tonight is one of those nights where it's like, this is, hey big cat, this is why we sports. This is why we sports. This is why we stay up. If you missed it.

It's after midnight right now. It is after midnight, not a brag, but if you missed it, it was an all time ending because you had everything. You had playoff P showing up with, he actually made a nice layup a couple plays before this, but showing up with the back to back free throw misses. You had 16 replays that made the last two minutes of the game go what, like an hour, I think. And then you had one of the coolest plays I've ever seen for a game winner, Jay Crowder

with an absolutely perfect pass, Devin Booker with a nice screen to DeAndre Aiden who basically caught it like in the rim and then dunked it home. That's the play that you shout out to all of us that have ever watched the end of a basketball game that are like, they should just throw it up to the tallest guy and have him dunk it. It is the play. You say it all the time. You're like, wait, why don't they just do this play for the inbound?

It's impossible to do. The Suns not only pulled it off. They pulled it off for a game winner with 0.7 seconds left DeAndre Aiden, he's a fucking beast, man. He's like DeAndre Aiden showing up to the whole Trey Young, Luka Donchich, that draft ruled discussion being like, I rule too. I'm awesome on defense and off DeAndre Aiden. I don't think he's ever missed a shot in the NBA.

He just dunks the ball all the time. I think if you look back on these playoffs, I don't know if it's just a hot streak that he's been on, but he's got to be shooting like 90% from the field. It's insane. He's just yam it. He's just yam it on fools. 70% in his last 10 games. That's pretty good.

That's pretty good. Considering I was obviously like exaggerating the 90%, 70% is insane. He's just jamming on everybody. Playoff PP came back big time from the charity stripe and although it's sad to watch, it's always nice when our stereotypes of certain players end up being true. It makes you feel smart. I feel bad for playoff P in this circumstance just because he is like the Clippers right now.

You know, Terrence Mann obviously on the Friday night game, what, what? He missed two free throws. You know, I'm saying he's, he's carrying the Clippers and he's fucking gassed. There's no, there's no, what free throws at the end of the game. I know, but I'm sick after called free throws for a reason. I'm trying to put it into perspective that he has not been playoff P this entire playoffs. He was playoff P in that moment. He has not been playoff P this entire playoffs.

Like he has had good moments. He is with Kawhi going out, winning that Utah series. That was bad. That was bad. All the replay reviews got to be a little bit much, but fortunately we had Mark Jackson, Jeff Van Gundy just doing like freestyle open mic, like scat poetry, just letting all their thoughts hang out when Jeff Van Gundy was like, I, I understand that this is the correct call, but they shouldn't call it.

It's like, no, that's exactly what the ball was out of bounds of Devin Booker. Right. Change the rule. But if you're going to play by these rules, that's the, it went out of his, off his hand last. I think his theory was like, you can't like, you, if you look at the play, it was Pat Beverly who caused the ball to go out of bounds. But then that, that takes you back.

Like you can, you can go down a very slippery slope on that one when you're like, well, what actually caused things to happen. Now you're judging intensive basketball. It's like, no, you just, you, you call it based on who it last touched while it was in bounds. It's pretty simple. I think Mark Jackson and Jeff Van Gundy, I think the reason why they hate replays is that they know that if they have to talk like that without the game action going on, it's

just the meter for America hating them goes up and up and up. Oh no, I think they love it. I think they, oh no, Jeff Van Gundy hates it. Mark Jackson loves having 30 seconds of dead air to kill for Mark Jackson. He looks at that, like, like we look at a giant big plate of Buffalo wings. He's like, let's go. Now is Mark Jackson's time to shine. America is going to hear from MJ on this one.

Jeff Van Gundy hates it. Probably not him. He, he openly hates it all the time. Mark Jackson loves having that open mic going. I have the stats. The final two minutes took 33 minutes to complete. That's, and you know what, it does, it is one of those like old man yells a cloud things to be like, man, all these replays, but it really is terrible.

It really does ruin the flow of the game. We also had DeMarcus cousins pushing Devin Booker was just no one talked about. Yeah. So that should have been called, that should have been like a flagrant foul, right? I have no idea. As far as I know, and this is when we get to the whole time space thing, but the end, the buzzer had sounded for the end of the game, but they were going back to review the end of the game to see if there was any time left on the clock.

So we were in a weird like limbo stage where the game was over, but it hadn't been restarted yet when the foul occurred. Right. So that's where the gap had come afoul because the game technically wasn't over, even though it was over. I'm not sure. I don't know the rules of that campaign should be shouted out because it was the campaign legacy game.

He basically kept the sons in this. What did he end up with? I think he ended up 28, 29, 29. What a fucking beast. I always knew it. Always knew it. And then also a big shout out to Devin Booker. Anytime you got a blood game going on, you have to win a blood game.

You can't let the nose be broken for nothing. Plugged up nose. It was great how like there was a woman in the front row wearing a Steve Nash with a bloody nose t-shirt. It's just sons, sons and four sons are rockin. Yeah. Sons are fucking rocking. That does feel like a backbreaker for the Clippers unless Kauai comes back.

I don't know how you recover from that, but although they've been down to all in every single series. So I might be this might be where the Clippers exactly want them. Oh, hey, you know what? But get a series doesn't start until the home team loses a game. That's true. So here we go. It might be this might be exactly what the Clippers needed to get, you know, feel like

they're pushing. And I think there is game three for Thursday. They're playing these series fast. We're whipping through it. Um, all right. So we, yeah, it is. Oh, uh, I was going to, while we were watching this game, I was thinking about how to start the show.

Obviously that happened. So Deandre and started the show, but the alter alternate started the show was Detroit Pistons are back because they won the lottery. They get Cade Cunningham. That's kind of cool for them. That's it. That's about it. That's all I got.

Good job. Ben Wallace looked weird without a fro. Yeah, it was kind of strange. But once I saw Ben Wallace on there, I was like, okay, I think, I think that might bring some good magic to Detroit. Just because Ben Wallace, he's just awesome. He's just an awesome dude. Country strong.

Big time. Yeah. Uh, campaign is getting on. Scott Van Peltz Sports Center right now. So at least he's getting shined there. He just, he's just confident, like let him cook. Just let him fucking go for it. Um, all right.

So all this election day today, it is election day appropriate for campaign for campaign to who won. Uh, not some guy, not Yang, the people, uh, yeah, the people one democracy one today, big cat and straight sets. Damn. I got asked to vote like four times going to the subway. I don't even know. I just know I just got a shitload of emails.

I was going to vote. I was actually on my way out of the office to vote and then Ron was on his way out of the office to vote too. And I was like, who are you voting for? He told me, I was like, Oh, that's the opposite of who I'm voting for. So we decided to just stay here and not vote. Nice. Cancel each other out.

That's perfect. Um, okay. So we, what else? Oh, the hockey Canadians are just good. I don't understand it. Uh, I think just, you know, price just keeps standing on his head. It is crazy though, because everyone, the foregone conclusion, we talked to our chicklets guys who are experts is that the Knights would have killed them.

Now the Canadians are up three, two going home to try to get to the Stanley Cup final, which would be also fitting for, for a Canadian team to win the Stanley Cup in a year where there can't be fans in Canada only. Are there going to be zero fans? No, I think they're probably going to do the thing where maybe they'll bring back like some of the first responders that they add up in Toronto. They've had a few thousand. Not those first responders, probably those are, it turns out that they were bad luck.

But some of their own. How do you say wagon in French? I think it's just wagons. The waggon. The waggon. The waggon. The Rouge rider wagon. Uh, they're, yeah, they're amazing and, and flurry man.

This might be, we might have been watching the end of flurry's career in real time over the last week. Yeah. Because I don't know what happened. How, how was it? The voiture. The voiture. That's car.

Let's go with the waggon. The waggon. The waggon. The waggon. But yeah, flurry, I think, I think that might be the end of the road for them. They tried to give him this start and they thought that he could bounce back, but I guess he got lit up again. Yup.

And for the Islanders, good news for you. You lost eight nothing on Monday night, but help was on the way. Hank, PFT and I are going to be in the Collie on Wednesday night. So we were, I don't know what, I don't, we could see the greatest game of all time. We could see people ripping their chairs out of their seats, you know, the seats out, carrying them out, crying. It's the whole gamut of emotions could happen on Wednesday night. My understanding is that since it's the last game that could be played at the Coliseum,

if they end up losing all the concessions that are there at the end of the game, they're free, right? They are free. All the hot dogs. So all the hot dogs, the entire dessert cart, all the beers that they have left over, all the popcorn, you name it. I feel like we can just walk out with those. Yeah.

Take out all the banners. Listen, it would be, yeah, take the banners. Yeah. It'll be fun to be there. Hopefully they won't lose eight. Nothing. Yes. I agree.

That'd be nice. I agree with that. I hope they do not lose eight. It's almost impossible. Well, to lose eight. Nothing. Actually, I would disagree. I would rather it be nine.

Nothing. I would say it's for us because people would probably leave early. Yeah. I was going to say if it's, if it's eight, nothing, we're going to beat the traffic. True. So yeah. Eight. Nothing.

I'd be cool. Either way, like a four, one loss with an empty net goal would suck where it's like, oh, maybe they can come back. Yeah. That probably is the prediction. That's exactly what's going to happen. All right. Shutting down the old barn.

Yep. Shutting down the old barn. All right. The other thing, Carl NASA made big news. First active NFL player to come out of the closet. Pretty big news. Actually, huge news. Yeah.

I know there's a lot of people like, this isn't news. Yeah, it is. No, it was massive news, but also a shout out to Carl for like how almost understated and chilly he was. His message was like, hey, what's up guys? It's me, Carl. Just real quick. I want to say I'm gay.

And that was like pretty much it. Yeah. It's like how John Wayne would have come out of the closet. Yeah. Yeah. It was, I mean, it was, it's a big moment. I know, like not having just the fact that people will, and I thought, I thought we're at a point now where like, I didn't see a lot of negative stuff.

I really didn't. I thought a lot of people were like, that's awesome. There are a few comments about it. Actually, it speaks to something that Sig Ziegler has been saying for a while. He's the dude over at OutSports. He's been saying this for years, which is like the NFL is ready for it. The players for the, like the vast, vast majority are going to be supportive when it does happen. It almost be like a joyous occasion when it does happen.

Sure, you're going to have some fans that are probably going to like cross a few lines that are not going to react the best way. But for the most part, I mean, like more so during the regular season. But I think for the most part, it was like, it was overwhelmingly supportive, which was cool to see. And then even John Gruden. So like, that was the question. It's like, what's, what's old John going to say about this?

And John was super supportive. I would imagine that he said, I think what I learned a long time ago that what makes him, what makes a man different, makes him great. It's like, that's cool, John. Also he like needs every defensive player he can have. Right. So that, that does play. Yeah.

I also, I think maybe we should have like a recurring, recurring character on the show of just like extremely tolerant John Gruden. Yeah. Hey man. Look at that stuff, Carl. Like, can you explain to me? I think that's awesome, man. I invented Grinder, dude.

Oh, I did, man. You had that one, right? Locked and loaded to go. I didn't want to tweet it out. Yeah. I know you definitely had that locked and loaded to go for the last day and a half. Didn't want to put that one on the internet, man. How do you guys decide who pays for dinner when you go out, man?

This one. Go ahead. Keep going. No. I'm just, I'm just rolling, man. This is this open mic night. That's awesome. I love this stuff.

John Gruden. No, you have one more. No, I don't. I don't. I do think that John Gruden is probably going to be like super over the top, like any gay guy that John Gruden meets, he's going to be like, I got introduced to Carl, man. You love Carl. Yeah.

Get along so well. Probably. I mean, it was, it was very cool. The Trevor project that he donated to, I thought was like, that was the other part of his video. Like he not only came out and was like, Hey, I'm not trying to make this a big deal. This is just who I am, which is great. And everyone is accepting of it, but also the Trevor project, which I had no idea about. And I was like, Holy shit.

I read about it. It's like there. I saw the stat that he posted. It was, uh, if, if there's a suicidal, uh, LG, I'm going to fuck this up. Help me. LGBTQ, uh, like teenager or kid suicidal. If they have one accepting adult in their life, there's, it's a 40% chance less likely that they will, uh, you know, be suicidal, commit suicide.

So it's really just if you're an adult being accepting and finding a way to be that person that is like, be, be show, show that to people, be like, Hey, I'm happy for Carl Nassim. This is awesome. There's no negative to this. This is a great, great thing. People should be really happy about it. And that can have an impact on someone's life. Yeah.

It was awesome. I was actually like, when I saw the news come out and I saw the reaction to it, made me feel like happy about the future of the world. It's like, yeah. All right. I think, I think we've got our shit together as a country. Agreed. Agreed.

Um, all right. So I got one more. Ugh. These are bad. Okay. Go ahead. I don't wait. They were bad.

Wow. I liked the dinner one. The dinner one was good. Dinner one was good. I think it's the, the Gruden. I like them. I think it's the voice. Thank you, Hank.

It's good. Listen, we need to support each other. Yeah. With it. I thought this, I thumbs up. All right. Let's play the NFL. Wait.

You want to do it in the Gruden voice? No, it's not. It's not a Gruden. Okay. Got it. Got it. You didn't want to tweet any of these? I'd know.

No. No. Nobody. Um, no, it was, they weren't bad. I just, the accent, you know, there was a time, there was a time when big cat supported my John Gruden voice. Yeah. I guess.

Yeah. I don't know. I, I don't know. I don't, I guess maybe once we hired Joey and it's like, he's the acts, the, the impression guy. I get impressions. Right. But I still do them.

Right. Oh, I know. Oh, I know. I'm the James. I know you do. I'm the James Winston of impressions. I go out there. Give me a little Jerry Jones.

It's, it's pretty similar to John Gruden. I know. That's why I want to give it to you. Anything Jerry reacted to the news? Yeah. Give me Jerry's reaction. It was like, uh, give me that boy Michael Sam on the corner. Let's get back on the roster.

I, I ain't going to let this son of a bitch take my head last from him. All right. See, that's good. I like the off the cuff. That's good. The Jerry Jones. Give me Greenie's reaction. He's finding it.

He's finding it. My wife. That's it. Oh my God. You think Sean McVeigh is jealous of John Gruden? For what? That John Gruden like got, got to, gets to be like Mr. Cool Coach now. Yeah.

Probably little. He's like cold calling all his players asking anything. You want to tell me? Yeah. Hey, hey, uh, yeah. Who's he got on his team that he could be like, hey, come on. See, I don't want to even say because then you run into. Yeah.

No, you put me in that spot right there. The speculation police. Yeah. All right. The bottom line is I, you know what's, you know what's great as, as straight guys. Yeah. I want to preface by saying that we're able to joke about it. Yeah.

So no idea if that was appropriate or not, but I think there was the general feel is that like good for Carl and we're happy that we're able to. Very happy. Accept this and move forward. Yes. It's an awesome, awesome thing. Yep. Yes.

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12 packs sold through 1231 2021 course will purchase services from change the course to restore 500 gallons of fresh river water max 5 billion gallons through 2021 details at course Seltzer.com. Okay. Hank, hot seat, cool throne, Henry, my hot seat is being that guy. Oh, you're not that guy, Pat was it not that guy, pal, not that guy, pal, pal, not that guy, pal. You know, it's a great clip, but I think that's going to be the clip of the summer, everything

you do with your friends, your coworkers, pretty much anything, any tweet, anything that goes out, any Instagram posts, you're going to see comments about, you're not that guy, you're not that guy, or you are that guy. But hot seat, just if you think you're that guy, you're going to be told over the next few months, many times that you in fact are not. Yeah, if you go into a situation you're like, I think I'm that dude right now, it turns out that like you can just get cut down to size via a GIF. Is there any like backstory that we have to this?

Or do we know what happened afterwards? Well, the backstory is pretty simple that once you get past the ages of 45, 50, and you're a father and maybe you have a little bit of physique, maybe physique, maybe you go to your gym. Are you assuming he's a father? Yeah, I am. He looked like he was a Costco or something. You have a strength that no one wants to fuck with.

So that was such a classic like he was probably talking to a kid somewhere in the late teens, early 20s, and he just essentially put him right in his, you know, place where he's like, look, you think that you're hot shit, but you're not that guy pal. And that would scare the fuck out of me if I were that 20 year old kid, I would walk out of that place, the Costco Sam's Club, and go and cry in my car because there's something about that dad strength that is very intimidating. It's just anybody over the age of 50 that says something super confidently to you. You're inclined to just believe what they say.

Their hands, that guy's hands are wrenches. That guy, he looked like, what's his name? Was it Coach Taylor from Friday Night Lights? He looked like his brother. He looked like, yeah, his alcoholic brother that had been out in the sun all day and just like telling you you're not that guy, like me watching it, I believed I wasn't that guy either. That's how far he reached through the computer.

We'll put the audio clip in here just in case no one's seen it. Yeah, everyone's seen it. You're not that guy, pal, trust me. You're not that guy. Okay. Are you? Absolutely. But that guy, you're not going to be that guy after you hear this.

What that guy did is it's an incredible skill that only select few of guys have where you basically defuse a fight, what is that beeping? You defuse a fight and win a fight with a sentence. You defuse a fight and win a fight with just saying something to the person that wants to maybe partake in a fight. What is that beeping? I think it's the Coors Light Cooler. Or is that Billy's ankle monitor?

Oh, yeah, shit. Are you not supposed to be here? No, I'm doing it in my month. Oh, okay. All right. You're not that guy, pal. Yeah. Good hot seat, Hank.

Thank you. And then my cool throne is Matt Stafford. Yeah. This quote. He is that guy. He is that guy. All right. This is that time of year when these quotes happened where immediately after I saw it,

I went and looked at the Barstool Sportsbook, looked at Matt Stafford's odd and was like, hmm, this looks good. But Sean McVeigh was talking to Albert Breer and said, bro, this dude's a bad motherfucker. I'm rooting for Matt Stafford. Wait, keep going with quotes. Sorry. Whatever people say about him, as good as it can be, he's even better than advertised and makes sense to him.

The guy's ability to see the game, his ability to draw on his experiences, the feel that he has. He's pretty special and unique and man, his feel for people, his authentic way of connecting with his teammates, his coaches, this guy, it's great being around him. That quote MVP. I saw it. I saw the future. Dude, I'm rooting for Matt Stafford because that is, there's a few takes that we all have

out there that are just lingering and Matt Stafford being a hallfamer would be, I could retire on that take. It's definitely a case of Jared Goff doing the SpongeBob meme out the window looking at those. Yeah. You know, he never used to talk dirty to me like that. But guess what? Yeah.

I'm sure that Dan Campbell is gassing him up behind the scenes in his own way. Right. Why would you want to feel the need to say it publicly? Why would you want to be with someone who doesn't love you? You never would. It's a waste of time. Waste of time. It's actually, I think both sides won that breakup.

Yeah, sure. Agreed. Agreed. That's it. That's my hot seat and my cool throne. All right. Good job, Hank. Appreciate it.

Those are two solid choices. Appreciate it. Yeah. You are that guy gassing up the bros. Yeah. My hot seat. You're not that guy, pal. My hot seat is.

I'm so beaten down by everything that I will beat you up with my words. I feel like Billy is what I think of when I think of listeners now. I think of a group of him and his friends being drunk and being like, you're not that guy. No, you're not that guy, pal. All day long. Which is funny because they actually are not. None of them are that guy.

Right. But so they're all correct when they say that to each other. Right. Right. And you've seen some shit. I'm sure that dude's probably spent 15 years changing diapers. He's got a thousand yards and there he's like, nothing, nothing that happens. Nothing that happens in the supermarket.

Maybe he's got like a Nick Cannon situation code. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Maybe he's Nick Cannon. He's Phil Rivers. He's Skeeten and everybody. Yeah.

But yeah, you could be changing diapers for 15 years. 15 years. I got it. Maybe you've got like three kids that suck at shitting and then like five others that are just alcoholics just crap in the bed all the time. Anyways, my hot seat is like seven different quarterbacks in the NFL. This off the top of my head. I think Gardner, Menchu, Drew's, Breeze and Locke, Nick Foles, Daniel Jones and Phillip

Rivers, probably to name a few because Tom Brady went on LeBron's show, The Shop, which he stole from Nick Saban at Alabama and they released a preview of it. And in the preview, Tom was talking about the courtship, the quarterback courtship that happened last year. And there was one team in particular where he said, really, you're going to stick with that motherfucker over me. So now everybody's trying to guess. I mean, it was the Bears.

What team? I actually think he's talking about Mitch. I think he was, I would say maybe the Colts. I don't think he would play for the Colts. I felt like it could be Drew Locke. He was always talking about the Saints really close, but are you I don't think you would say that about Drew Breeze. I think I think Tom Brady would say that about literally anything.

I think it's a non personal thing. Actually, no, it was on LeBron James's show. He was probably talking about Delante West. I just it's, you know, when you have insecurities in life and the Chicago Bears are my insecurity, like that you just think everyone's talking about you. So you're like, oh, fuck, that was definitely I think it's definitely like a Rorschach test. Whatever team you thought should have gone out to get Tom Brady last year, like every there are a bunch of fans of different franchises that are going to see this and be like, yeah,

he's talking about us because that's the effect Tom Brady has. And it turns out he was probably right that they wouldn't be sticking with that motherfucker. Yeah. What a Super Bowl. Billy, what are you saying? Because he wanted to retire. Actually, no, that. Yeah, you're right.

Actually, that is who it is. No, I really do think that's who it is. That I forgot when I first saw the clip. I was like 49ers and then I started getting in my feels and was like bears. Well, sabrametrically, it's also most likely to be Philip Rivers. He's probably fucked the most mom. But I don't think he ever would have gone would have gone to the Colts. That never felt like real.

Yeah. But the 49ers and the Bears both were linked to him. It would have been so spiteful if you went to the 49ers. Yeah. He fucked over Jimmy again. Yeah. I actually love that. And I think that that's why.

Yeah. I don't think he's that spiteful, though. He won that. He definitely won that. You don't think Tom Brady is that spiteful? No. I mean, like he was. He forced him out of town and then he won two Super Bowls.

He's won seven. Seven Super Bowls. Seven Super Bowls. And he still is like 199th pick. It's like, no, you're not. You're the seven Super Bowl guy. Yeah. He's it.

It's a great motivator. It's credit to him. He's able to keep that. If I won seven Super Bowls after being a six round draft pick or fifth round, whatever it is, I think I would start to be like, you know what? I think I'm pretty good. I'm that dude. Yeah.

I have that guy. And then my cool throne is the notion of amateurism dying in America because the Supreme Court put like an Alabama Notre Dame style beat down on the NCAA nine to nothing. It was a hockey score. It's an Islander's lightning score. Ouch. And they essentially said, guess what? You cannot define amateurism as being an entity that does not pay people.

So they were using the term amateurism to describe amateurism and using that to explain why you can't provide benefits to players. And the biggest thing coming out of this, first of all, it's like the first domino to fall. So the inside of the game, the inside of the game. The biggest thing coming out of this, first of all, it's like the first domino to fall. So the NCAA is done and you're always not in a great position when the federal government is like, this organization is really fucking corrupt.

And when you can get like nine Supreme Court judges to agree on anything, you're probably fucked. So it's like the first domino to fall. And one of the things that they ruled is that schools are allowed to provide as many education related expenses as they want to players. That includes free laptops and post education paid internships. Damn, Kevin Newton would still be a Florida Gator. The free laptop thing is interesting because you could, in theory, provide an athlete with

like an entire dorm room filled with servers for them to mine cryptocurrency in that dorm room. Like LSU could be like, hey, we're going to name, we're going to build a new dorm called the Arch Manning Dormitory and just going to be filled with computers. And so you can just generate money for yourself while you're here. But you'd have to be like a computer programmer. If, yeah, the school could probably find a couple of computer programmers. Oh, they were getting the laptops.

No, no, no, you would give them to Arch Manning. Got it. Got it. And then they, while they were at LSU or Ole Miss or wherever they were going to school, they just have like a full time income generating server farm mining bitcoins. Got it. Got it. So that's going to be the new like cash app or Venmo payments.

I think if I can see the future. Got it. Crypto mines at campuses for the college students. There's nothing, right now, according to what the law says, you can provide students with as many computers as you want to. Why not? And then in a sense, but the bottom line is the NCAA is fucked. It's on its like last legs.

Yeah, which is good. If anything, I mean, I hope they include one of their decisions that just bring back the crystal ball from the BCS. I do think there's going to be a group of people that like, what do they do now that they don't have the free points of just being like the NCAA sucks? Because that's a dunk online that anyone can do. And everyone would be like, yeah, good point. Even though we all, I think there's not besides maybe Doug Gottlieb and maybe Dickie V.

Maybe Danny Canales. There's not a lot of people. Yeah. Oh, Dan Dock. It's just not a lot of people left out there who are like, yeah, these kids getting sweat pants in a trip to Italy for every four years, that's payment. Yeah. Right.

So you lose something. You do. But at this point, you've got Clarence Thomas and Sotomayor agreeing on something. So I mean, that's pretty much the end of it. Yeah. That means that like 99.5% of America agrees that the NCAA is done. Yeah. Wait, was that your cool throw or hot seat?

Uh, that was, was that a hot seat or was that a cool thrown? I think that was a hot seat. It was your cool thrown. You said it was. Okay. The notion of, yeah. Amateurs are being fucked over. Yeah.

So that is, uh, Greg guard. I think people probably saw it. The, uh, Wisconsin Badgers season was not a great one for college basketball. They did beat Roy Williams in the tournament, uh, his last game ever, not, not a big deal, but the story came out very weird story. All the seniors, the seven seniors, uh, taped Greg guard a private conversation basically saying he's a terrible coach and they don't have his back. Very weird story.

I don't know how he recovers from it, but I also did. I kind of expected this because if you watch them, they were good lash or the COVID year, they were peaking. And then this year they completely sucked and they never like took the next step forward. So I, that's got to be a shitty feeling though, to be a coach. And a few months after your season flames out being like, oh yeah. And all your seniors, uh, taped an hour long conversation you had with them. Yeah.

It's tough. So what do you do moving forward? Like no cell phones. You treat your office like a skiff, like no electronics. Let's lift your shirt up. Let's see if we're wearing a wire. You got to be constantly nervous. Yeah.

Constantly nervous. And so Greg guard was like, I think he probably knows who taped it. I think it's a coach. Yeah. You probably have like a good idea who it was. Was it Trice? Well, Brad Davidson is doing another year. Yeah.

I don't know that. That's got to be awkward. That's very awkward. That's got to be really awkward. But I don't think Davidson would wear a wire. No, but he was in the room. Yeah. And yeah, I mean it sucks.

So, uh, Oh, Devin Booker time traveling. We're not going to time travel. Uh, my cool throne is Skip Bayless. Still got it. I don't know if you guys saw this. I didn't watch the actual segment, but, uh, a tweet that he had, uh, previewing his show, he said, wire LeBron and AD following Russell Westbrook's wife on Instagram. Now on undisputed.

I love it. I love it. That is he like just when you think that he doesn't have it anymore. He just throws 99 on the black. I wish I had seen that segment because I hope Shannon Sharp's response was well skipped because you probably want to fuck her. Yeah. Unbelievable.

The guy just can't, he can't miss. He just keeps, keeps producing. Who do you think gave him that scoop? Do you think that Skip Bayless? Like, is it right? Is this a bonkable situation for Skip? Like, was he going through her followers? No.

Was he like cruising her profile? It's what you, what you just brought up is a very interesting point because there's very clearly a person behind the scenes working for Skip Bayless that has Skip Bayless's brain and does all the things online. Ernestine. I want to meet that person. I feel like Ernestine is involved in, in like tech somehow. No, it's like an evil genius.

She has a computer. If I had to guess, it's like a 24 year old kid who's probably bald. And like, let's just say fat because he can't be on camera. He's got the brain. He's got the speaking ability. He doesn't have the looks and he just feeds Skip Bayless crap all day and it just ends up on TV. Like his little private investigator form.

Right. Right. I mean, I want to meet that person. Honestly, anybody that's approximately that age in sports media should have a younger person do it. We're almost actually due for that. Unfortunately, we do have that person. Yeah.

He's doing great. He's doing a great job. He's doing an awesome job. He's doing incredible. He's doing incredible. Yeah, big cat. We should hire somebody that's younger, maybe around the age of like 22, 23, is familiar with TikToks, Instagram and is able to feed us these hot takes about athletes that we

wouldn't be able to get to. There's anybody out there that fits that description. Please. Oh, we actually did. Is he listening right now? Memes. Shout out memes. If you've seen him, we've retreated him a bunch.

He's very, very funny. PMT memes on Twitter. He is now part of the crew. Yep. Thanks to Zipper Cruder. He lived the dream. He actually lived the dream and people always like, how can I get hired? How can I find a job, you know, at Barstool?

It's basically working and showing that you have something and never like giving up on it. And that's what he did. He roasted all of us enough to the point where we're like, okay, I think I like this guy and we have a guy named memes now, which is fucking awesome. And I like him a lot. Thank you. Not saying I like him any more than anyone else, but I like him a lot.

Me too. Jake, you're hot sequel. Before that, I will say, this is when you should take notes and like have comebacks for us at the end of the show. We were talking about you. Right. You got this. Yeah.

All right. Good job, Billy. I was at a friend's house this weekend and they had a microwave at Skip A. List level. Oh, really? I've seen it in person. Did you? I actually, my parents are remodeling their kitchen and they're like, we're going to

get a microwave down there and I was like a Skip A. List microwave and they're like, what do you mean? I didn't even bother to explain it to them, but I was like, I don't know about that. What's the purpose for? Did you ask them what they use? Apparently that's like, that's the new thing. I like the trendy really fast. I actually just realized, I mean, I've been living in my place for a year now.

I don't have Skip A. List. Not Dick level. It's like shin level. Yeah. That's the low low. So it's not full Skip A. List. It's like knee level. It's very annoying.

I mean, that is something. Well, you're a tall guy though, too. Skips not. Yeah. It's something that if you saw, if you were, if you were having a few beers when you're like 22 years old and you walk into any room that has a drawer at crotch level, like that thing's getting peed in at some point, there should be like an age limit. Like you have to be over the age of 26 before you're responsible enough to have really anything

in your home that pulls out at your Dick's level. But I think that Hank is right. I think this is just how they do it. Yeah. Because it is like, it's annoying and it's like, it's very annoying, but it also clean design. Like if you just have a big microwave sitting on your countertop, it's doesn't look good. So they just stash it away, build it into the where I break my back.

And also I'm pretty sure it can you like, can you get like radiation through the microwave? Yeah. So I was always told, don't stand in front of a microwave. Well, it's cooking. Like it's literally his head level. Super powers. Yeah. All right.

Hot seat is Bryson DeChambeau and Aaron Rodgers, because Brady posted some putts today. He looks ready. Him and Phil. I mean, we're obviously rooting for them. Yeah. They're those guys. A lot of people are saying that the second putt that Brady hit didn't actually go in and it was edited.

I think it absolutely went in. It definitely went in. Did you actually just ask us if we're rooting for? No, I didn't ask. I just meant like before. But you're like, we're rooting for them, right? No, I didn't say. Aaron Rodgers and Bryson DeChambeau.

I literally tweeted this morning, like team Phil and like Hitler and Osama Bin Laden are playing, but I'm probably low key being like, huh, these are guys. That's a little comparison. Osama's fucking just golf. Yeah. He's pretty big. He's tall. He's fucking driving a real long way.

It's actually what you're going through right now is exactly what the U.S. went in, went through in like the late 80s. So you're like, you're supporting Bin Laden because he's taken out, you're saying, at the time. Whatever. You just put my two biggest enemies together. Yeah. I don't care who's playing against it.

Yeah. And then cool throne is Robert Griffin, the third. So ESPN and Fox are in a bidding war for him as an analyst. Whoa. So it looks like he found his future career. How good for him? How did that start? How do we not get in that?

But also, who? This seems a bidding war. It seems like something that might have been leaked straight from the camp of Robert Griffin, the third. I was going to say there's another anonymous quote out there. It said, he's the next coming of Tony Romo. Yeah. And so we got to get in on that.

You know what? It's probably his dad. Whatever happened. It's probably RG. It's probably RG Jr. Yeah. Or Greta. Greta is probably all over this.

What do you mean? This doesn't pass. This doesn't pass the do I have a brain in my skull test. Yeah. Just straight up. Good for him though. Yeah. Yeah.

That he's able to get people like you to say there's a bidding war. I mean, if pro football talking and your poster saying it, it's pretty incredible. Anything. Floreo, come on. Be better. This time of year. Exactly. Yeah, right.

They're looking for clicks. Good point. Yeah. No, I don't think that, I don't think there's a bidding war going on for RG3 services as much as I would like. And by the way, his friend is to give this headline. Like we just said that back to you. Do you hear that?

Do you hear it now? This is crazy. You hear it, right? Yeah. I actually thought that RG3 would be lucky. I thought when he was going for this whole summer, he is desperately looking for a job to be an Olympic commentator. So he's releasing all these videos of him like doing hurdles and stuff out on track,

just reminding people that he was an elite level sprinter and hurdler. The Olympics are coming up. I thought he would get lucky if Bleacher Report was like, hey, can you zoom in once a week to talk to us about hurdling? Yeah. I thought that's, but no, you're right. No, he's got a bidding war. Whoa.

I heard that. The quote is. I heard that Chris Collinsworth is getting squeezed out. The quote is. Just saying it back out loud is so fucking funny. The executives were quote blown away by his audition. Yeah. All right, maybe.

An amazing audition. I mean, if it was anything like his combine performance, like the guy, he shows up in practice for sure. He put out a video of him running a 40-yard dash. Watch this video if you haven't seen it because he labeled it, he put like his whole stats on there. He was like, I'm six foot two, 215 pounds, 31 years old, and I still run a 427. And if you just look at the video on Instagram, the video is five seconds long.

It says five seconds on the video. If it is in fact a 4.27, he is the longest strider in the history of the world because it looks like he's running underwater. But that's, listen, I don't want to trash RG3. I love RG3. He's always going to have a big part of my heart. But bidding war, bidding war is a strong term. Big guy, you just came up on this article about the bidding war.

Oh yeah. There it is. If that had been brought up when I was with Floria, I would have laughed in his face. Just like, I'm not freaking yours. Maybe next week. Yeah. I'll try to get him to bring it up. All right.

Is that it? Yes. That is it. I totally forgot about the fantasy camp thing. His whole life is a fantasy camp. You saved it for the end, Billy. You saved it for the end. You got your Husky Cool Throne in the recap.

It's been one week. You're doing great though, Billy. You are. You're doing great. You're that guy right now. You're doing awesome. Want to talk baseball? Oh, we'll do it after.

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He is the founder and president and CEO of AEW Wrestling. He is Tony Kahn, shot out of a cannon, love it, great to see you. I actually had this question lined up when we got a text message saying that you were here at 10, and like, hey, Tony's early, and then we were like, all right, we're ready at 10.45, and then we got a text back being like, well, now he needs till 10.50. I just want to give you credit. That was an alpha move. So that was a full-time alpha.

I didn't do any of that. Way to go. Way to go. That's like when you have people, this is the problem with people. This is why I don't actually have an assistant, and when you go on a press tour, you have to, Mandy's great, and I have great people, but I normally do stuff one-on-one. So I should have just DM'd you, man, that I was going to, I've known PFT for a while. We're combine bros.

Yeah, we're happier here, though. We're happier here. You got awesome AEW shoes on. We're going to talk everything. You want to start with AEW? I'd love to. Thanks for having me on. This is dope.

Yes, yes. Your office is sick. Yes, it is. Do you really think it's sick? Have you seen my pile and shit? This is sick. Your pile is great. The weight bench is dope.

I don't know about that. What do you think about that couch? That couch is actually broken. I think it's good, man. I think, hey, I'm comfortable. Okay. As long as you're comfortable, but like, I'm honestly like, I'm always interested to know when people come into this room, like what their real impression is.

Are they like, I'm going to pretend like I'm cool in this environment? Are they like, I'm actually comfortable in this mess, because me and Big Cat were like pigs. We're comfortable in messes. It feels like I'm home. All right, I like that. The nice thing about this office is like, I can keep my home clean. I don't actually keep it clean myself, but my office can be like my life like in college.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Like this is, this room is gross all the time. Yeah, man. If you sub some of the, like Lenny Dykstra for Sammy Sosa, this could easily be my room in college. No, he's our financial advisor. So it's important to have.

Just so you know, we come strapped. I know that you probably have done okay with your money, but Lenny, he's 600 a no in his stock picks. No one. Sorry. He got one wrong. Humble. He got one wrong and he hasn't been in jail in three years.

Yes. So if you're looking to put your money with somebody, you could do worse than nails. Yeah. It's true. You could go with Pete Rose. Yeah. Right. All right.

So let's talk AEW wrestling. So I'm a huge wrestling fan. I guess the first question I have is what made you think that you could take on the big guys because it's been tried before and it hasn't worked out, but like, I love this because I think the best thing for wrestling is competition and giving the audience more than one thing to watch is always great. So what made you think like, Hey, you know what? We can do this.

Like I want to do this. This is my plan. And let's, let's go tackle this thing. Oh yeah. Okay. Have you ever, like both of you have been in this situation where sometimes you're just like, you're at a party or you're with friends and you're like, let's just try some shit.

Right. And that was what happened. I was at a party with some friends in Beverly Hills and I saw my friend who was a president of TNT and TBS and it all just kind of clicked. Like it's probably something I'd thought about a million times, but I'd never, until you, until you get in the moment and I went up to him and I said, Kev, are you looking at bidding on the WWE TV rights? And he said, yes, yes, I am.

And he said, I'm not looking at bidding on both packages. I'm looking at bidding on one of them. And I said, oh, knowing that that's, you know, of course, Smackdown. And he said, it's going to go for probably over 150 and it ended up going for 205 million annually to Fox, but they were in on the bidding at least initially on the initial wave. And I said, Kev, I, you know, that's interesting, but have you ever considered, you know, maybe we could do this. And he was like, what do you mean?

And I said, well, the company that you operate owned and operated 20 years ago today, which was true the day I said it. The number one wrestling company in the world. And he said, really? And I said, have you ever heard of WCW? He had not. But WCW, if people don't know, was formerly a competitor to the WWF. They ended up getting sold by AOL Time Warner and they got shuttered and it's not a thing

anymore, but AEW exists, in my opinion, because of the failure of WCW because they vacated this great time slot, this great relationship with TNT and TBS that we have. And that was the success of WCW was the outlet, the penetration they had from TNT, TBS, and of course the fans. And they're all these fans that wanted an alternative. And so anyway, that's how I like how you're saying this was like your buddies and you got together at a party and you're like, Hey, let's go start a wrestling league and then sell it for a million.

Like if it's me in that scenario, I'm like, let's go to 7 11 and order one of every kind of taquito and then come back and like do a blind tasting or like my big plan. I bet you I can throw a football 65 yards, like no fucking way can you and that's basically what you were doing. And you just went full send on starting a league party with you before, man. Like 99% of the time, you know, it's just, you know, you don't think of stuff like that. But every once in a while, like the sparks there and something cool. So what are you going to do?

What have you done? And what did you learn from WCW? Because like wrestling fans, hardcore wrestling fans know that WCW in the 90s, that's really kind of how the attitude error came because it was Monday night wars and all that thing, all that was going on. And it was competition going at each other that elevated wrestling. So you obviously aren't in it to become make WWE better and be like competition will make them better and then I'll just go away.

So what, what were like the big lessons that you learned or things that you've implemented that are different than WCW is great question. So I believe that there were a lot of successes of WCW can learn from also. And so I've learned from the pros and the cons. And I think some of the things that went wrong for WCW in my opinion were the creative control. They gave creative control to a lot of the wrestlers and some of the storylines are asinine and some of the ideas were great, but like it was very disorganized show. And then when they brought somebody else in from the WWF to be a writer named Vince Russo,

he made it 10 times worse. And he took a problem and then he was like, they had a massive hangnail and he just chopped off the arm. And so that was a part of the problem. And then you have another major, major issue for them in my opinion was the management that they were, you know, the most wrestling companies that have been really successful over time have had like one supreme commander at the top who's like owned it, booked like done everything top to bottom, run the place, like run the management, whether it was Vince

McMahon for years, you know, organizing everything, Cowboy Bill Watts, Eddie Graham, Fritz von Eric and countless others. And so I think like that made sense as a business model. And I told Kevin that's like the strong management WCW didn't have, I can provide. So in terms of being a more organized booker than anybody they had. So yeah. All right. So when are you going to do steroids so that you can be part of the like, because that

really, you know, Vince McMahon doing steroids and showing up and like starting to get in the storylines, like, you know, you're going to have to, right? No, that's not, I mean, no, no, that isn't definitely not something of those. Okay. I disagree with your artistic vision on this one. Could you be a villain out there? Could you be like, could you float out rumors? Like I'm going to move this thing over to over to London.

That's amazing. No, I've, no, I would never want to be a villain on my own show and I've never shown up on Dynamite or our pay per views. That to me would be more fun. I don't want to do it on my own show like 250 and ripped and you just showed up and you were a villain. I don't need. Well, first of all, without completely a very solid natural physique, I think I've shown

up on other wrestling shows and been a villain. I'm happy to open what I call the forbidden door that is me and go to other wrestling shows and appear there and kind of trash them and talk about how great AEW is and how we're the number one cool wrestling company. That's sick to call yourself the forbidden door. I want to call myself that at some point. Well, I trademarked it. So you can't.

Damn it. Well, what about this? So you could go the other way. If you don't want to put on 250 pounds or whatever, you could just like slim down a little bit, put on a big pair of glasses. I know that you're into, you've got like a sports analytics company. How much can I slim down? I'm skinny.

No, get like super emaciated and then you could just be the nerd that's ruining wrestling and you could bring analytics into the wrestling ring and try to like go over the top with these Saber metrics and tell the fans that they're rooting for the wrong guys because they don't, they don't actually compare to that well when you look at the numbers. That's why I like you so much because like you come, that's a great, that's actually a very good idea. Because I, there was one guy I think in like backyard wrestling, he called himself like the progressive liberal, but only wrestled in very conservative states and just wore

like Bernie Sanders shirts and yelled at everybody in the crowd about how they're backwards. Like that's what you should be doing, but with analytics and just make everybody hate you that way. I think honestly, I would watch that. That's pretty good. It's not a bad idea. So do that. You got to get in it.

Get in the mix. Well, that's pretty, I, you know, I, like I said, I've, I've done stuff on other wrestling shows that kind of promote AEW and crossover, but that's kind of the, the line I don't want to cross because I feel like you kind of disappear up your own butt when you like start writing that way. Cause you have to, if, so as a booker, one thing I know and I've never had to book myself into the show other than like as a matchmaker, like I'll make matches, but I do 99% of it is off screen.

Like they'll say Tony Khan just announced this huge title match for next week and you'll hear that every week. So you're like shook night back in the nineties telling people like, Oh, don't sign with bad boy records. You don't want your producer dancing in your video. Come out to death row. That's you. Yeah.

Without, without, yeah. But like way, way, way less felonies and men. Yes. Good. Yes. Okay. That's yeah. But you also might get to his weight if you do the steroid route.

Like I said, you should wait. So how, how do you, this is the part that, um, I guess appeal, try to appeal to a guy like myself who I loved attitude era wrestling. I still love the concept of wrestling. I still will some watch probably one to two paper views a year, but I'm not like hooked. And I know that that obviously has something to do with, you know, age and everything else, but it's also, it doesn't feel like this. There's stars.

There's new age stars that were like new age stars back in the nineties. And it feels like a lot of places are, are a lot of wrestling now is trying to relive that era. So how are you escaping from that era? How are you finding the new guys? That's such a great question. And so first of all, I'm going to, and I'm going to talk extensively on it. I have question.

Are you guys available September 15th and or September 22nd? Probably not. Sounds like it's football. Football. No. Wednesday. There's no football. What are you going to watch?

It's a bit of an action. A little action. You could be on fantasy football. Pretty much football. But we can do that. You could do that at the back. So okay, we're doing AEW at the Prudential Center on Wednesday, September 15th. And we're doing the first ever wrestling show at Arthur Ashe Stadium here in New York City

on September 22nd on Wednesday. What if it rains? Well, it's the day of the roof on Arthur Ashe. So you, you thought of everything. You've thought of everything. You us open, it's never had, it's a great venue, Arthur Ashe Stadium. And so I'd love to have both of you there and show you firsthand. And now I will extensively give you a long-winded answer to that great question.

I believe in the wrestling of the past, the present, and the future. The top stars of the past still have great value and can still come in and contribute in a meaningful way, and Sting and Jake the Snake are still a huge part of our show just as an example. And then top stars of the present, like the best wrestlers in the world, Chris Jericho, Kenny Omega, John Moxley, and stars of the future, like Jungle Boy, who like gets a lot of hype and is the number one contender to the title right now, and MJF, I don't know if you guys are familiar with him, but he's one of the top young wrestlers in the world

at 24. Dr. Britt Baker, our women's champion, who's one of the best acts in wrestling, is legit, dentist, legit doctor. You guys would love her. She'd be a great person to come hang out because she's a huge football person too. She's a Penn State grad and went to dental school at Pitt. She's dope. She's a Steelers fan, which I don't like.

And we have this great roster of like really young talent that is, you know, some of them became like viral wrestling stars before AEW, and like, you know, they're being pushed in a meaningful way. So it's not, like I said, the past, the present, and the future all in one, and then trying to keep it into a fun, organized show that delivers like good wrestling every single Wednesday. So as AEW, is that like your main job? If you were to say your full-time job is running AEW, or how much time do you split between

that and handling Jaguar stuff? Dude, like, all I do is work. I don't have, so I, Jaguar, and it totally depends on the season. Like between, on a Wednesday night during the AEW, absolutely. But I split my time in a pretty crazy way, and I work a lot of like 20-hour days and do crazy stuff, and like work a lot of like 90-plus, I mean, who am I kidding, like a lot more than 90 hours, a lot of weeks between the three things. And it just depends on where we're at in the season, and where we're at in NFL season,

where we're at with English football season, and of course, where AEW is. So it changes day to day, but I mean- Do you ever just wake up and you're like, this feels like a football day. I'm gonna do football stuff. No, it's crazy, dude. Yeah, like, yeah. It's like, but it's also hard to switch sometimes. Like, I get so, like, the draft, especially Saturday, because I'm like, I am a big person

on Saturday in the NFL draft, I will tell you that, because I believe in the Undrafted Free Agency, and that is the thing, that is like my Christmas in the NFL is the last day of the draft. I love signing Undrafted Free Agents. Over half our secondary is our players that I signed as Undrafted Free Agents. I get on the phone, I chase guys, and you've got, right now, got, you know, I take a lot of pride in it. Trey Herndon is gonna come in and compete at Nickel for us, and he's a guy from Vanderbilt.

I called, and scouts had nothing on him, you know, at the time, and I got him for, like, very small signing bonus, and he took a chance, and now he's an important player for us. Jared Wilson, who made plays for us in the AFC playoff, and he's been there starting free safety out of Michigan, is another guy who came out on a really small guarantee, and signed James Robinson out of Illinois State, Corey Grant, Corey Grant at Auburn, who did really well against the Patriots in the playoffs, and then had a career-ending injury. He's a great running back.

I've done a lot of players out of secondary and a lot of running backs. Mike Hilton is a guy, Gus Cutt, Mike Hilton. Mike Hilton went on to be a very good player. I got him for, like, $5,000. I'm gonna get back to Tony Khan in a second, but before we do, Norton 360 with Lifelock, would like a word. It feels like everything that we do online comes with some sort of risk, if you're buying a pair of socks online.

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Why, if we're talking Jaguars, let's talk this real quick. What's your problem? Why don't you like Blake Portals? I love Blake. He's our best friend. Blake's my good friend. I love Blake. And I've hung out with Blake at your guys' parties, too.

He's our best friend. I've run into Blake at your guys' parties. Oh, yeah, look. There it is, right there. That's great. I know I saw it. I love Blake. Blake is great.

Blake's one of the all-time leaders in NFL history. There we go. Yards per carry. Let's go to the boat. Put some respect on his name. I have tons of. I love the boat. Okay, I like that.

Big boat guy. You passed that test. Good friend. He also, I mean, technically won you guys an AFC championship game. Yeah. Because the refs took that one. Miles Jack wasn't down. Miles Jack, he was not down.

Are you going to get fined for saying that? Miles Jack wasn't down. I mean, I agree. There's like shirts and he wasn't down. We have signs all over town. It's a fact. He wasn't down. Yep.

No, he wasn't down. What's up with the pool? We've swam in the pool. It's great. Yeah. We've done it, used it for AEW actually in the stadium stampede in the pay-per-view. Okay. And we had Urban Meyer and Charlie Strong in the stadium stampede this year.

Yeah. How did that work with Urban Meyer doing the AEW stuff? Did you have to like coach him up on? Yeah. I mean, yeah. And he's my, he's my friend. So we were at work and then that's like sometimes the crossing over. I was in his office and we were looking at the roster and he, you know, we were getting

ready to, he's packing up his briefcase. And I said, can you, would you maybe do me a pretty big favor tomorrow? And he said, well, sure. What is it? And I told him what it is. Would you appear in the stadium stampede and, you know, it'd be like you and Charlie are working in your office late on Sunday night and, and, and Charlie's a huge wrestling fan.

So he's going to get a huge kick out of this man. And then two of the top wrestlers, Chris Jericho and MJF are going to brawl through your office while you're working. And it'd be like, what the hell? And we'll just improv a great scene. And he was like, yeah, sure, man. He came in and Irvin's the best man and Irvin and Charlie were happy to do it. So it was a fun crossing over to the two things.

It's the second stadium stampede we've done and it was great. I'm going to be, I'm going to be respectful. I have said some things about Irvin Meyer. I'm not going to say them in front of you because I think that would be disrespectful. Irvin's great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Agree to disagree, but that's, see that's respect. That's just respect. Why do you like, why don't you like Irvin? Well, I don't want to do this. No, I don't. Apparently I don't want to. I think Irvins, I don't want to. Maybe I don't.

I love him. I love him. I'll just say like, you said that he's not going to say it. Yeah. You know what? You know what? Actually, I'm going to fucking say it. Instead of pressing you, look at, let me just get, let me have one, can I take a parting

shot and we'll walk away? Which is this. I don't know. I think it's a good one because I know him really well now and I didn't know him at all. And people get a reputation in life sometimes and it's not really fair and he's changed my life and he's really like an awesome person. He's changed my life in the six months I've known him or whatever it is, five months. And he, the way he motivates people and I know you're not going to want to hear it if

you don't like him, but if you get to know him, there is something about him and you wonder why is this guy been so successful and he's one of the most successful coaches ever. Oh, I think he's a fantastic coach. But as a person, there's something, I'm just saying, if he came in here and you worked with him, you'd love him. I don't think we would like him. Yeah, he'd probably have my back if anything bad happened.

You would. He would have your back on anything. If he worked here. Yeah. If he worked with Urban, you would love him. So does he actually think that he's in the military? No, no, he's great. Because he puts up these, I remember being at Ohio, he's got signs up that says like

you are a United States. Dude, I spent three years working with, God bless him. He's a great man and I love him. I spent like three years working with Tom. Like it was way more like the military when Tom was there. That's true. That's a good point. What was that like?

Did you have to ask him if it was okay if he used the bathroom or is that just players? Tom is also a very misunderstood great person and I really enjoyed him and he's been so successful, great coach, great man. But it was a lot more like I said, that military theme was probably more prevalent with Tom than with Urban. Okay, so I'm actually interested because he just started working there. Urban, you have like a new relationship. You're technically his boss.

How far into the relationship? My dad's Urban's boss. My dad and Urban have a great relationship. I work with Urban. My dad's Urban's boss. All right. So how does that work though? Like in terms of being a new head coach, like as an owner, are you like, you see him come

in and you're like, hmm, 9.15 this morning. Interesting. Not at all. No. And I'm not known for being like the morning. I work these crazy hours, but I worked through the night all night. And so, you know, and Urban's a more early morning guy. In fact, it's gone the other way where I've pulled the all nighter and it's coming in.

So it's, he's great. Did you ever have the discussion with him when you were drafting Trevor Lawrence that a long haired quarterback has never won a Super Bowl? That's a good question. No. I mean, that's why not. You're the analytics guy. Yeah.

You know, are you biased? Are you biased? Are you a self-hating, long haired guy? No, I'm honestly just somebody that understands the history of football. And so you look back throughout every quarterback that's won a Super Bowl, you notice trends. I'll put it this way. I would never draft me to play quarterback for my team in the NFL. I can recognize.

I think I'm self-aware in that way. What if you just got a haircut to play quarterback in the NFL? Yeah. John United's like a haircut. You can set your watch. Yeah, exactly. But I mean, you can look at the analytics and be like, okay, the average hair length of every quarterback is usually somewhere between half an inch and one and a half inches.

And there's actually like something to the fact that you can get tackled by your hair too. It's easier to sack a quarterback with long hair. I'm just curious if those conversations took place behind the scenes. No, no, they didn't. What about, did you guys have any, was there ever a second where you're like, maybe we won't take Trevor Lawrence? That's a great question.

I mean, you know, you just did the work trend. Our GM Trent went through, you did it like every player, you know, without reputation go through. And Trent and Urban and everybody went through and went through all the quarterbacks and gave everybody a fair shake. I'm going to say something nice about Urban Meyer. I thought it was an awesome move that he hired Trent bulky because Jim Harbaugh hates Trent bulky and that was just sticking it to him a little more.

We know Trent had been with us for about a year before. Okay. So then I straight, straight that from the record. He was the interim. He was the interim. Well, it was, he did, he did want to work with them though, because they didn't know each other coming in and they built a great relationship. Very good GM.

He's great. Yes. He had been our interim GM and then, you know, they, we were hiring at the same time, both jobs. Trent's great too. Have you got a chance to talk to Tim Tebow yet? Yeah, of course. What's he like?

Great guy. What's he like? He's a really nice guy. Now he could change your life. He, he's a motivator. They both are. Yeah. Both.

I mean, they really both are. And that's I, and they're both really special people. Absolutely. Have you got to see him play tight end yet? Yeah. How's he looking? He's good. He caught a pass.

Just, yeah. And you know, he's really looking pretty lit. You know, it's, it's a lot of reps in training camp, I would say this. He's for somebody coming in and playing the position after being off that long, you'd be shocked he's been out that long. Are you concerned that he's going to be too much of an alpha for Trevor Lawrence? So he's going to come in. I don't know if you saw the video clip, but on his first day at training camp, he was

walking next to him, pat some heart on the back, grabs his hand, shakes it, pulls his hand over. Clearly, like body language, mentally, physically, alpha is Trevor Lawrence. Is that going to be an issue? No. Because you want your quarterback to be the guy. So we have alpha quarterback or Trevor's the man. Oh, Gardner Minshew.

Oh, Gardner's great too. Yeah. Yeah. Gardner's a great guy. It's having a lot of alpha energy, I think is a good thing. And you know, Trevor's the ultimate alpha. And so we have a great room, great bunch of, you know, really great bunch of people. And Tim in the tight end room is adding something, I think.

So it'll be really interesting. But Trevor's doing great. We had, you know, our last full day of minicamp was yesterday and Trevor tore it up, dude. Tore it up. Yeah. Yeah. Let's talk some soccer real quick. So I own Swansea, you own Fulham.

You guys have come down to, you got relegated. That sucked. How much did that suck? Because I, you know, I went through my own relegation woes a couple of years ago. It's painful, man. I'm here for you. Yeah. It's terrible.

I didn't know. You know, obviously we've been having fun and like making light of stuff, but I can't make light of that. It's the worst thing, you know. Yeah. It sucks. Yeah. It sucks.

And you know, going through it, it's really hard. Yeah. What about the super league? You guys, I noticed that Fulham came out and said that no super league for us. You did release that statement after I released a statement saying no super league for Swansea. So you're a little late, but that's okay. Well what you would, I think, you know, timing wise, I think we were two of the early statements and I think it was a good thing to make a statement about it early.

What do you make of that whole thing though? Because it's, it's like we, we haven't had someone, you're in a unique spot that you own, co-own an American franchise and you know, there's only a few people who do this and the other guys who have it were part of the super league. So what did you make of the entire thing? Well there are other American owners, I think, and there are not all the American owners who are involved with it and you know, it's, these things happen in business. I don't think it's then to the world and it got worked out pretty well and it's, it's

funny how it was the biggest story in sports for a couple of days and it's completely dropped off the map now, but you know, it's, it's in the past, it's water under the bridge I think. Yeah. When are you guys moving the Jaguars to London? Come on. No, especially, I don't know if you've seen the stuff we're doing in Jacksonville. Yeah.

I have. It's been one of those narratives that's existed for the last like 10 years and it just, it gets brought up all the time and I know that it's not true. What was it like? It was a hundred million dollars. How much money is like being invested in Jacksonville? A lot of money. It's a shitload of money.

A ton of money, yeah. More money than I can count is being put in Jacksonville, so it's not true. But did those rumors like, because they were persistent, they've been persistent, they've been around, at least since like 2012, as far as I can remember, did they ever like get to anybody in the building or is it something that like you had to like clearly communicate to everyone, hey, just so you know, we're not moving the team. How often did you have to say that to people? I think, I mean, you get asked it on a weekly basis back in the day, but now this is the

first time I've been asked in a long time, honestly, because especially because the headlines about all the great stuff we're doing in Jacksonville, I mean, Jacksonville has been a great home for us. Like, you know, I, living there through the pandemic, it's been, you know, I'm working out at the stadium and doing everything out of there and it's been great. And you know, being able to stay engaged with the Jaguars, but also it's been a great home for AEW and like the, you know, AEW, we started bringing fans back and doing live shows in August and safely.

Like we've been doing shows since August outdoor. We started at 25% in our, you know, 5,000 C&M theaters. So we would have crowds. I think we started at 20%. We would do like a thousand and up to 25. It was like 1250. The Jags then a couple of weeks later when NFL started, the Jags and the Chiefs were the only teams, the NFL that had fans week one.

And like, and we, Jags went the whole season, no transmissions in the, you know, so doing these outdoor shows, you know, it was great. I don't, did either of you guys go to the national championship game or the Super Bowl? We went to the national championship game. It was great. Right. Oh, sorry. The last one before COVID.

We didn't go to either of the big COVID championship. I was in both in Florida. They were great. Both great live event experiences. And so people have been putting on my philosophy early in the pandemic when like our competitor was not doing any live shows with fans and went with virtual fans. I kind of went the other way and I had, I pushed back a little bit on the idea of virtual fans because I wanted to get, I knew it was possible to do shows if we were outdoors in

this amphitheater in Florida, we should be able to get like 25% like a drive in movie theaters. That's awesome. And I was like, let's bring it back. And we were the first ones to do it. This whole time we've had fans and we were doing pay-per-views with like all through the pandemic for over a year with like 1,250 people. And it's like, yeah, it's not the full 5,000, but it's like 25, it still resembles or, you

know what I mean? It's a wrestling show. You get the environment of having fans. They're the same like dynamic. And like it was hard watching, you know, your other people were watching, you know, people up on a Jumbotron and like, you know, in little boxes and it's like, it's not the same. And the crowd noise being piped in is not the same. So, but there's nothing like the packed houses and we're going back to that here in July.

We're doing this tour, you know, we've got Road Rager in Miami. We got two weeks of Fyder Fest in Austin and Dallas. And then Fight for the Fallen, which is this show. We always give money back to charity and do a different charity every year. And that's in Charlotte. And it's like our tour back full arenas, I've been in Jacksonville for over a year. And the fans in Jacksonville, like it turned into like an old school, like 70s, 80s wrestling territory.

That's sick. If you had to flash forward like 10 years from now, what would be a success for AEW? What would be like, hey, we did this? It would be that we, you know, I think maintaining, first of all, lasting and keeping a show going and then, you know, debuting another show this year. Like if both shows are really strong, if Dynamite and Rampage are both really strong shows 10 years from now, hopefully even stronger than now, I would be so proud. Are you worried though, a little bit that like the best paper view names have already

been taken? I have the best paper, by me. I have the best paper view of that, because I don't do 76 paper views. So I have four big paper views instead of like, you know, 29. So there's quarterly, like the big four. So we have Memorial Day weekend, we do Double or Nothing, which we just had. Okay, I like it. I like it.

It's Vegas, MGM Brands, sold it out, fastest sell out in Vegas wrestling history. Double or nothing? Double or nothing, Vegas themed. We just had to do it in Jacksonville, but we still have the big poker chips and stuff. And it was first wrestling paper view packed house that since, you know, the light at the end of the tunnel. Yeah. And it was so sick.

We just had it Memorial Day weekend. And then every, you'll appreciate this dude. Every Labor Day weekend, we do a show in Hoffman Estates around Schomburg at what the now arena used to be the Sears Center. Yeah. Where the sky used to play. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. We do that every, and that's. Oh, actually no. The G League. The G League Bulls player. Yeah. Yeah. That's it.

Yes. Yes. That is where they play. Yeah. And there's also, there's other, yeah, there's other stuff out there too. But anyway, it's, it's, it's now it's, it used to be called the Sears Center. Now it's called, I think the now arena. And so we do like a fan, we're doing a fan fest and a paper view there.

It's called All Out. All Out. Okay. All Out. All Out. I'm going double or nothing, one, All Out, two, just right now. They kind of sound like no fear shirts from back in the nineties. I like that.

Fear tastes like chicken. I think you're good. Then you're going to like the next, the next one, which is, then in like November, I do, this one I'm doing on a Saturday because like why in November, I'm not going to go up against Sunday night football. I'm not crazy. Right, right. Against my own product.

Smart, smart. Head to head with my own product. Well, the Jaguars are probably flexed out of that. Well, I think we'll be doing so. I think, you know, we could be, I'm kidding, but we are jagging off. We love the Jaguars. Yes, we do. But we also miss dearly the Thursday night games against the Titans.

Well, we'll see, you know, hey, but they could be some big games against the Titans this year. Yeah. Yeah. You were saying the Thursday thing was a great tradition though. It's been a great tradition. But yeah. So back to what we were saying before I guess, so full gear is we do in November.

Full gear. Fucking. It's great. You got the, the big, the, if you saw the set, it's so cool. The full gear set is, is, is dope. And then we come back or it's like every four years is a leap day. Try to hit. We did the first one on a leap day.

So, you know, it can't say leap day, but give or take like the end of February or the first weekend in March. Do revolution. Okay. Revolution's fire. Okay. Revolution's a dope show. And so we have revolution, double or nothing, all out and full gear.

Okay. Yeah. All right. That's okay. I was just thinking like WrestleMania, the name WrestleMania, like you can't really beat that, but those are good. I'm going to give you credit. Those are good.

I had one other soccer question. I'll tell you something one thing. Yeah. Double or nothing last year and this year. I am. My opinion was a better show that the pandemic biased opinion, but it's a, it's, you know, what, as objective opinion, I think it was, and I like this year's WrestleMania a lot better than last year's because they had, they had some fans this year and everyone

worked their, everyone there worked their ass off both years, but this year, both, I think good shows, they did a two night show and it was a good show. I thought double or nothing this year was outstanding and it was the best wrestling show of the year so far. And last year, double or nothing in the pandemic, it kicked the shit out of WrestleMania last year. Like the pandemic version last year, not even close, double or nothing, much better show.

Yeah. It was weird watching the, with no fans. All right. So one last soccer question. You obviously do analytics for football. Is there analytics for soccer and what does it look like? Of course. Yeah.

But like, what is it like? Kick it, kick it more into the goal. No. Kick it more times. It's a huge, it was a Swansy owner. I'm sure you know this thing. Well, yeah, I know it's more of a trick question. It's a huge community, the soccer analytics community, the European football analytics

community. So there's a company's, Opta is a big company in the data tracking space. There's tons of information they provide and you can learn about this and create warp metrics like in baseball. What's the new, what's the new age like strategy? Like say the analogy to, you know, teams throwing, not running the ball as much and throwing on first down or analogy to like teams, you know, saying OBP means more than batting average in baseball.

What's the thing in soccer that you can point to and like, oh, this is what they're doing different and it's, it's kind of work. I mean, there's a lot of, I think people do a lot of work on set pieces now and in addition to a lot of work on set pieces, I think there's a lot of stylistic analytics, but I think it's a lot of, it's just player evaluation. Like people are using analytics for player evaluation and scouting and it's, you know, it's big. Yeah.

Is it that, that short corner on the ground that everyone's sitting right now? Is that a result of the analytics? I mean, there's some because like, you know, I think people have plays and trying to get people like from there, getting people up into the box or trying to create a different angle. But there's, there's some reasons why people do that. And sometimes if they just, that can be like a, like checking out, checking out of a play. What about having a guy on the team that bites people?

I feel like that's hot in soccer. That's not good. That is not good. I feel like that's, that hopefully it happens every once in a while, but hopefully it does have, is that weird to say though? Like it's a pretty common occurrence in soccer that somebody will bite somebody. I don't think it's a common occurrence. What's happened?

Like there's like four or five that happens. Yeah. Notable times in the last couple of years. Well, Suarez, I'm thinking it was like at least eight years ago, the one. There was one yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So it's like scratching like zero days. Yeah. Right. It's a bite. Yes. I got one, uh, one other like fan safety question. We're talking about the pandemic stuff, but in terms of fan safety, did you guys take any measures to like put a fence around the Jaguar statue after that kid got his head

stuck in it? No, but I, you know, what's funny is I go buy that statue going into work like every day and like, I never once, I've never once in my life, if I ever thought like in the thousands of times I've walked by that, never did I think put your head in there. I don't know why. It's the funniest picture. I love it. So, so much.

How'd they get that kid out? Did they call the fire department? I don't know. I think he's dead. No, no, he's not dead. He's fine. He's fine. Yeah.

No, that, that picture is, I think they might've, I went and studied it when we were there. I think they shaved the teeth a little bit so that it wouldn't happen anymore. Does that Jaguar have a name? I've never named. I think it does. Touchdown. Touchdown. Touchdown.

Touchdown. What's the name of the mascot again? Jackson Deville. Jackson Deville. That's right. Yeah. Last year, the stadium stampede Jackson Deville ate a Judas effect from Chris Jericho. Okay.

Jackson Deville, I think is the best mascot. If you have to have a mascot, which I don't think that NFL teams should have a nickname or a mascot, it's kind of candy ass, but if you have to have one, I think Jackson Deville is the way to go. That's great. Yeah. I appreciate it. It's kind of candy ass.

Have you thought about renaming your team, the Jacksonville football team? No, because there's only, you know, that's your football team's name. Yeah, it is. It's true. Yeah, the Jaguars are cool. Yeah. Jaguars is dope. I think it's great.

It's a great time to be a Jackson. Yeah. All right. It actually is a great time to be a Jackson fan. Buy and now. Well, Tony, this has been awesome. We appreciate it. Thanks.

I'm going to try to start watching more wrestling. Again, I'm like the, I'm the guy you're probably trying to capture, the guy who loves the concept of wrestling. It is still real to me. And then, you know, just trying to get back into it, find my way back into it. That's exactly what you were exactly the, exactly the kind of person we're trying to capture. I would love it if you'd please watch more wrestling.

Okay. And then Arthur, as you, you promise there's a roof? There's a roof. Okay. Well, I'll look into that. That's the places you got the chicken tenders. You can dip into the Coke. It's where George Costanza, maybe I'll come, maybe I'll come.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bobby Valentine once saw a UFO out there. No joke. Just don't pull Costanza and like get caught on TV. Or do. Yeah.

That would actually be great for my brand. All right. Well, Tony, this has been awesome, man. Really appreciate everyone. Check out AEW. Don't have to tell people to watch NFL because they all do. And then Fulham, coming back up, Swansea and Fulham. Let's make a deal right now.

We'll both be up next year. Let's get the auto promotions. Yes. Yes. Hopefully we don't end up in the playoff. Like what happened to Swansea? Yeah. That was bad.

Yeah. You know, we've had good, that was, you, they had a great season and, you know, they're going to be one of the tough teams for us to play this year and, you know, looking into it, it's, that playoff is tough, you know, I've, the three seasons that I've been with the team, the three seasons that I've been the director of football and run the player acquisitions and transfers. We've actually been in the playoff every year that I've done it and we've won it two out of the three times.

Wow. So if we do go, the playoff is there to be won, but I hopefully we'll get the auto promotion and we'll work really hard to do it. Yeah. Love it. Cool. All right. Thanks, Tony.

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It is the greatest baseball player of all time over a 10 game period, right? Is that not true? I guess it's true. Yeah. Yeah. It's Patrick Wisdom from the Chicago Cubs. I love him. He is here in studio.

They're playing the Mets. So we're going to probably run this later on next week. Let's start there. I saw you in the hallway and I mentioned it to you, but you guys played against Jacob DeGramme last night. Just how much does that suck? Like actually put it into perspective for the regular fan, how different it is going up against DeGramme versus everyone else.

Yeah, it was a major suck. He shoved it last night. It's like going into a test knowing you're going to fail. There's nothing you can do. Like he's just going to overpower you and you're going to walk back to the dugout saying, I don't know what I'm doing out here. Yeah. Just answer C every time.

Yeah. If you win out every four times, it'll be right, right? Right, yeah. You got to like sit on one pitch. So a guy like that, are you, is there just one pitch that you're waiting for? You're like, maybe, maybe I'll get a slider that doesn't break. Yeah, or it's maybe the 100 mile an hour fastball that you try to hit. But I mean, the first pitch I barely even saw.

Yeah. Really? Yeah. Like you can't, you don't even, because it's, it's that fast and that much movement. It explodes out of his hand and like it gains speed as it gets to the glove. Jesus. It was, it was something I've never seen before, obviously. Wow.

That's terrifying. Yes. I guess the scouting reporters just hope he has to leave with some kind of cramp or something. Even though like, that's the craziest part is how good he's been. And he's also been injured like every other day. Right. So for people who don't know your story, I obviously know it because I watch the Cubs and I'm a Cubs fan, but you were first round draft pick for the Cardinals in 2012.

Basically fighting your way through the minors, never really got your big break. Then you come up, the Cubs have been injured this year. You come up this year and you've lit the world on fire. So you hit nine home runs in 10 games. Is that right? Yeah, nine home runs in 10 games. Been hitting everything. Like it's got to be as we're in day, I don't know, like 20 or something of this.

Has have you been able to like settle down and be like, holy shit, like I'm I'm here and I'm doing this a little bit. Yeah. Sometimes I catch myself thinking that out in the field. Honestly, it's probably not a good place to do it, but, you know, just taking it all in. And I mean, it's pretty special. Honestly. Yeah. Like something I didn't really dream of and just kind of happened. Yeah. Now that you're on the Cubs, you can admit like you always hated St. Louis, right?

I might get some flak from the St. Louis fans. But I mean, they treated me well there, too. So no, do it. You can admit it. It's OK. No one in St. Louis was listening to the show. We actually we banned the entire city several years ago. Yes. Yeah. I mean, Wrigley's sick. The fans there are really cool.

Way better than the Cardinals fans. Yeah. Agreed. I would say it's yeah, it's a lot louder. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you got the the beer cup snake, too. I mean, you got the bleachers. It's tough to compete with that. And they know when to applaud, too. When to cheer in St. Louis.

Sometimes they're all over the place. You know, to clap for some stuff that doesn't really deserve applause. Yeah. Yeah, fair point. Yeah, you said it, not me. I'm curious to know where you stand because we have to talk spider attack. Actually, I've got some spider attack right here. Oh, look at that. Do you you like what you see?

Don't touch it. You want to use some of this? Then you could get in trouble like shake, you know, Kyle Hendricks hand or something. Yeah, it's actually got like tree nuts in it. So if somebody is allergic to sesame seeds or whatever, it can kill them. Oh, that's not allergy. Yeah, not allergy. Bad, not allergy.

Are you do you follow on the on the side of like the pitchers are using certain substances for control to get a better grip? And as a hitter, that's actually beneficial to you. Are you like, have you noticed over the course of the last few years, like there's been a difference in how pitches are moving out of certain guys' hands? Yeah, I mean, I'm all for the control aspect. You know, no one wants to get hit with a fastball or anything like that. And then but I think if you're using it to like manipulate the ball

and I mean, you've seen some sliders that look like a wiffle ball. It's like trying to hit a wiffle ball in the backyard. You're good luck, you know. So I'm all for if it's going to be for control and, you know, trying to throw strikes, I'm all for it. Because as an infield, they're trying to throw a ball with no grip. That sucks, too. So I get that part of it. You know, if you get a ground ball and the ball is kind of slick

and it's like throwing a cue ball to first base. And yeah, it's not fun, which is what you. Whenever you get a ground ball, that's what it feels like because the Cubs don't cheat. So that was a smart way of saying that because there's nothing on the ball. So like your your story is is great. It's it's very baseball, like, you know, having your big break when you're 29. Is it weird in the clubhouse?

Like, how do you get treated? Because you're not a rookie, but you also haven't had, like, you know, this long career, but you're also producing really well. Was there a moment where you felt comfortable? Like, hey, I can I can bust balls or is that that not happened yet? Oh, yeah, I think it happened day one when I came in and Rizzo busted my balls for being in the cage.

And so he just practicing. Yeah, well, like I wasn't playing. So I was trying to just like, you know, fit in my routine and the guys were playing that day and I'm just like waiting to hit. And, you know, next thing I know, like an hour goes by because everyone else has to hit. And then Rizzo's like, you're still in here. Like just busted my balls for it and breaks the ice right away.

And so from that on, it's just been I feel like I'm one of the boys. I love that. I love that. Do you have any superstitions? We love weird baseball superstitions. I think my favorite was that one postseason where everybody just showed up wearing those fighting necklaces. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Do you have any fighting necklaces?

I did. Yeah, those are collecting dust somewhere, though. I don't know where. Did they work? Some games. Yeah. If you hit a home run, it was definitely fighting that for sure. Yeah. But do you have anything that you do in particular? Yeah. I mean, sure. I got this one. So if I'm doing good or if I on a good little spell, I don't watch my jockstrap.

OK. Yeah. OK. Just let it do drop. Yeah. Yeah. So wait, that means you haven't watched your jockstrap yet. Right. Right. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Like, do the math. Yeah. You're on an all time heater right now. I think you've had the hotest start for what it is.

Is it the hottest start to any career in baseball history? It's like 1941. I saw someone like you were one of the only guys to ever do this where it's like nine home runs in 10 games. Yeah. I mean, yeah, that's that's all. I don't I don't even know what was going on. So I just they always say the ball hitting the ball. The ball looks bigger when you're on a hot streak,

when you're in the zone, has the ball actually looked bigger to you? Yeah. And some of that's for sure. But it's just more like you're comfortable up there. You're not worried about getting beat. You know, you just know that something's going to happen. What's the lamest newspaper headline that you've ever seen that's incorporated your last name poorly into it? Good question. Yeah, that is a good question.

Because I feel like if you played in the forties or fifties, there would be some real real stinkers. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think the one that gets used the most is like daily wisdom. You know, yeah, that's just very repetitive. But age before wisdom. Yeah. Maybe. So the stat was eight home runs in 10 games was it's the ties the record

for most by any player in his first 10 games with a team since 1900. So that's pretty. And then I love this quote from Ian Hap, who is a friend of ours. He says the the the guy has seven pumps already and he hasn't been here that long. I just like calling home runs pumps pumps. That's great. Yeah. Well, your first one on the Cubs did I don't remember.

Did they not give you like? I mean, that wasn't your first career home run. But did they do any superstitious like not, you know, high five you? I love when that. Yeah, I do. Did that happen in your first home run? No, I kind of wish it did, though. Yeah, that'd be kind of cool. You got robbed. I did. Yeah. In that sense, yeah.

That's the best when everyone ignores you in the dugout. And it's like very, very funny and you're set to stand there like fuck. Yeah. Did you actually feel like, I don't know, left out, like not one of the guys because they didn't punk you? I felt left out because, you know, all these protocols. I was in a different locker room when I showed up. Oh, really? So, yeah, it was just me. I was just by myself in this other locker room like Barry Bonds.

Yeah, I just felt kind of left out. And then, yeah, I got thrown into the fire and hit a homer than everyone was my friend again. Yeah, yeah, we need you back in this locker room. Yeah, that's the fastest way to get it done. Have you ever thought about like getting in an late ending game when you guys are up on a 13, 14 runs and pitching? I love that.

That's literally on my bucket list. You can't do that, though, because that's Rizzo's thing. Like he loves doing that. I know, but if I beat him to the mound, maybe then I'll. Yeah, yeah, who's got better stuff? I mean, he hasn't any in the big leagues. I don't. So I think he's two. Two, yeah.

He struck out Freddie Freeman and, you know, an MVP. So yes, I don't have that on my stat line. And also he's best friends with David Ross. So that kind of hurt you a little bit. He's got it in there. Yeah. What's what's in your arsenal? Like what do you have? You got a slider? You got a knuckleball?

Yeah, I got it all. Okay. You know, as position players, we love to play catch, you know, before the games and stuff. And then it just turns into like a little bullpen session and see what we can throw, see what works, see what doesn't work. Yeah. Was there ever a point in your career

that you were like close to saying, I'm done? Like I'm going to quit? I never thought about quitting. I thought maybe about pitching. Like, hey, I know I have a good arm. Like, let's see if I can do it on mound. Oh, really? Like you could, you think you could throw that hard?

What's that hard? Like low 90s? Yeah, no, I can. I've hit above 90 for sure. Really? Yeah. OK, so you should pitch. You should do, I mean, Shohei Oshawa is kind of. Yeah, he's on another level.

That would be pretty sick. But there wasn't ever like, because it is, you know, baseball is there's no sport like it in that if you get drafted first round, any other sport, you're playing. I mean, maybe hockey a little bit, but like you're playing right away. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? In baseball, it's a grind and you're, you know, up and down and down and up.

Right. So there was never a point where you're like, man, like, is this going to ever break for me? Like, is this ever going to work out for me? Yeah, I mean, those thoughts happen. They come through your head like, dang, like, what am I? What am I going to get there? What am I going to get my chance? But at the end of the day, I was still putting food on the table

for my family and like, it was a cool gig. Being at your place fun, you get to go to cool cities. You're with the boys in the clubhouse and on the road. And I mean, it's it's a ton of fun. I also read that you you have like you you did like some kind of like positive vibes thinking something. You read a book and you're like, change your life. Yeah, I mean, I guess like an aha moment.

But yeah, just like we just do positive vibes. Tell us that you explain that to us. We would love to get in. No, it's just like just perspective, just like how you see things and like what you what you take from what you see, you know. So how do you know I don't I honestly don't like I always see like when I'm watching a game, I'm like, here comes the loss. Yeah. So like, obviously, I think that too.

And like, we're down like we're probably going to lose. But like, if I can walk away from my batter, like what I did with a positive like thought, then it helps me tomorrow or the next day or I can go to sleep, you know, whether or not like dwelling on like, oh, shit, I'm over 10. All right, let me give you a scenario. You strike out the count is one and two. OK, pitch comes in, you foul tip it.

Third pitch comes in, you swing and you miss. You walk back to the dugout. How are you spin zoning that? Are you like, well, at least I made contact on that one pitch. Well, it'd be like if the pitchers in the zone, that swing that swing at a pitch I wanted to swing at. You swung at a strike. Yeah, as opposed. Yeah.

I suppose like chasing a 50 footer, you know, the bounces before the plate or pitch over my head, which I've, you know, I've done in the past. So then you walk back and you're like, gosh, you're so stupid. You know, like, yeah, swinging that. OK, you're saying the same things the fans are saying to you and you know, in your head, you're like, what are you swinging at? So positive.

So it's like you have to find one thing that's positive about even the most negative interaction that you have. Yeah, just because I mean, especially in this game, it's so negative. Like you're going to fail 70 percent of the time and then you're going to be good. Like if you fail 70 percent of the time, you're probably a whole family, which is crazy to think about. Right. And any other like sector of life

that doesn't just doesn't happen, you're you're probably fired. Yeah. So it's just being able to like wrap your head around that perspective and like just enjoy that it's a game. I'm going to try to start doing that. It's not like, like, you know, I showered today. Yeah, there you go. Positive thought. There you go. Yeah. What did you do to PFT?

I I showered my body. Yeah. Now your hair. Not my hair. All right. But that's OK. That's tomorrow. Yeah. You can't wash your hair every day and you know what? You can't win them all. So you got to I can't dwell on that big guy. I got to look forward to the next opportunity to wash my hair.

Yeah. You just move on. Yeah. You just put on a baseball cap and then you go to work. There you go. I have one last question. What's your you're not going to like this question. But what's your are you your free agent after this year? Right? Oh, if if the Cubs take me off the roster, I'll be free agent.

Got it. OK. Because I I was going to say what's it like knowing that like Ricketts is totally going to cut all the costs and not sign any of like Harvey or Rizzo or Chris Bryant. So you probably are going to benefit from that. I could benefit from that if that were the case. Yeah. I mean, I hope they don't. It'd be cool to come back next year and play with all those.

Yeah. Is it fun playing with hobby at short? Yeah. He's got so much swag. Oh, my gosh. It's like I'm wishing some swag would come over to me. But yeah, it's incredible. He does. I mean, the playmate yesterday was was really tight. Were you were you in the dugout when that that play against the Pirates happened when you chased him all the way? Like he lured them back to home plate.

Yeah. What was that like in the dugout as he was just like making a clown of entire franchise? I think we're all mind blown to like what just happened. Because he's doing that. Then he called him the runner at home safe. Yeah. Yeah. And then he was like, oh, I got to run to first. Randa first called himself safe and then ran to second. It was also one of those plays that youth

like start questioning whether you know the rules. Like, I was like, do I know the rules? Like, what just happened here? Like, wait a second. Like, yeah, yeah. How is that possible? I didn't think you could run backwards to home. Yeah. I thought he was like automatically out of you. See, you were the first one you should have been.

Yeah. If you reverse course going from from home to first, you're automatically out. But then it's like, no, he just found a way to do it. At any point, the first baseman could have just been like, you know what, I'm tired of chasing. I'm going to walk back to first base and put on it. That's all I had to do. Into the inning.

Into the inning, no run scored, nothing. Right. Did he say anything to you after he got after he like rejoined the team? Was he like, holy shit, I can't believe they actually followed me to home plate? Pretty much. Yeah. Like, what were they doing? Like, what were they thinking? Yeah. But I think that was just a fiasco. Like no one knew what to do. And like, mind blew everybody.

Yeah. Oh, here's a quick headline we'll make before we go. If you were asked to do the home on Derby, will you do it? Oh, heck yeah. OK, so there we go. OK. Patrick Wilson says that he would do the home on Derby. Yeah. That's all we need. That's just a headline we'll throw out there. And if you get in, you have to be Christian Yelich.

Yeah. Well, he's in a good response. Probably not. I know he's bad. He's bad. Well, he's not bad. Don't want to say that. No, we don't want to. I don't want any motivation. We have a. So I have to eat big cat's ass and he has to eat my ass. If Christian Yelich ever wins a home on Derby.

It's one of those things that you say just in the moment. We've had him on a bunch. Don't think it'll ever be a scenario, but he's a very good guy. And it was like probably three years ago. And he was like, yeah, I got a home run swing. This was before he won his MVP. I was like, no, you fucking don't. And then he's like, yeah, I can hit home runs and we're like, all right.

Well, if you ever win the home on Derby, we'll eat each other's asses. And now we're like, you're like, you're too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I figure out a way to. I didn't know if Christian was in on this. No, he just sitting there. He just tortures us every now and then. He'll like remind us.

But then he hurt his back last year or the year before. So he had to be pulled out. And then last year, obviously, there wasn't a home on Derby. So we're just, yeah, it's just a ticking time bomb. I think we dodged a bullet on that one. It would be incredible to watch. I feel like big cat think it's going to happen. No, I'm still nervous.

Dodge the bullet. I know I'm still very nervous. I think that it's time has passed. I'm not I'm not. There was like, to be totally honest with you, there was about a 30 day period where we had to plan out how we were going to each other's asses. We're going to maybe actually like shave a piece of skin off. Yeah, we're going to like mix it in with chili or something like that. Cannibalism.

Yeah. But I mean, if you have to pick a way to do it, that's that's the only way that you can like look yourself in the mirror. Like I'd never be able to visit a dentist after that. Yeah, every problem that comes up, I just automatically think, well, that must be from big cat shit. Yeah, cannibal. I am still nervous because I do think that like, you know how a player would be like, I still have things left to prove.

I think that's all he has left to be. Yeah. What if he knows he's like, one or two years left? Yeah, right. Give me in the derby. Yeah, like, I'm not even going to play in the season. I'm just going to play in the derby. Usually baseball would probably do that to get ratings. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like knowing that that's what was on the line.

So there was like a half second when you said that you would compete. I was about to say something really stupid, but I didn't. Because I've learned from the yellow to box just going to root for you. So just I hope you win it. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, I hope so. Also, do you still do you respect 90 still respect 90 miles an hour? No, running to first base, running. You always respect 90.

Yeah, I just want to make sure. OK, yeah. I don't want to see you not respect 90. No, you got at any point. You got it. OK. Like if you hit one into the gap, but you think it's gone and you maybe not run so hard out of the box and not respecting 90. Yeah, I'll be pissed. I mean, you can't lead the league in double stop in the first.

Right. There it is. That's a great point. Yeah, that's a great point. Because if you still get thrown out of second, you still get a base hit. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Do you ever do you ever sprint to first base on a walk? I haven't done that. No. Do it. Do it. Do it. I walk. Next one. Yeah, one time.

Do it on on like Sunday Night Baseball. Yeah. Or no, tonight, if you walk against the Mets, which will even be better because no one this isn't going to come out till next week. So then we'll like do a callback. People are like, why, why do you do that? Like, now this is out and here's why. That goes a long way with the old beat writers. They'll be great. You know what?

He plays the game the right way. Yes, that'll be great. That'll be great. OK. All right. Well, this has been awesome, man. You're welcome back any time. We're current guests. Thank you. Keep hitting home runs. It's fucking sick.

What was the longest one you've hit? In your entire career. Oh, in my entire career? Yeah. Like 460 something. I think they lie, by the way. I think so, too. There are times when a guy will hit one into like out of the park or like, like if you hit one out of Wrigley and they're like, yeah,

that was four, you know, sixty seven. I'm like, no, it wasn't. Yeah, five hundred. Give him five hundred. Yeah, like all standing and judge him like, OK, I didn't go for twenty seven. It that went like five hundred twenty seven. Yeah, dude, so I'm sure we went to the All Star game in Miami and and a judge hit a home run that hit the like back wall of the stadium. Like super high up and they're like, yeah, those four eighties like,

dude, no, that was never going to land. It was literally never going to land. And they also do this thing where if you hit it into like like the third deck, if you're in Toronto or something like that and lands up there, they can tell you exactly how far it would have gone. Like when it hits a a seat that's only three hundred seventy feet away or whatever. Right. I don't trust that. Yeah, I don't trust that cast either.

Stacked has made up. Yeah, I think they just guess. I think they're like, oh, he hit that hard one hundred and ten. Exemplosity kind of like straight up. So I swear to God, I met the stat cast guy at Wrigley once and I just sat there grilling him and he had his two computers out. And I was like, you're making this up. He's like, no, I swear to God, we're not.

I'm like, yeah, you are. I know you are. And like I did. He hit one and then I guessed it. I was like, pretty much right on. Yeah, like, so you're making it. Yeah. Yeah. Just throwing numbers out there.

All right. Well, Patrick, thank you, man. Appreciate it. And good luck for us this season. Dude, thank you guys. This is an honor. Yeah, thank you very much. Yeah, sick. Patrick Wisdom is brought to you by Shady Rays Spring Weather. Longer days are here to stay, which is why you need the official shades of part of my take, Shady Rays.

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He got arrested for marijuana possession at Texas A&M. Oh, what does he throw away the key? That's what is he doing in Texas A&M? Well, that's literally the only place on earth that you can still get arrested for marijuana. It's also like Alex Caruso, NBA player, NBA stud. But I feel like the only place where he really probably gets that full love stud treatment is is Texas A&M.

Yeah, I just don't know that's a bit. But if he gets a stud treatment at Texas A&M, he shouldn't get arrested. Facts like your big man on campus, your big man on campus. That's a fact. Oh, no, crucial. I feel like there's more to this story, too, because you really you really have to fuck up in twenty twenty one to get busted for pot. LeBron better just like come out against him hard.

There's kids on Twitter. He's got his movie to sell. We want kids to be doing weed. They should be drinking wine. All right. Two ounces. So, you know, that's a significant amount of work. Yeah. Oh, my God.

All right. Wait, wait. Crusoe's moving away. I mean, all the no. But like if you're out of Crusoe, like, you don't just buy like an eight. You just buy two ounces because who cares? You're out of Crusoe. You have so much money. Right. Yeah, but you should have someone else buy it for you.

Yeah, you got a fall guy. Yeah, you should definitely fall like you're not. You're not. You're not that guy. Yeah, that guy fell. Also, you're not to buy the weed guy anymore. You live in California. Right. I'm pretty abundant. I'm told. All that doesn't really add up there.

Pretty. And it was by Texas A&M University Police. So, of course, of course, there's probably the cadets. The cadets probably did like a citizen's arrest on him and and detained him and waited for law enforcement to come. Yeah, what a weird place. All right. Let's do some Mike Greenberg's rules real quick. So baseball has their cracking down on the sticky stuff.

They're now doing mandatory checks. Players are making a mockery of it, which I personally love. I know the counterargument will be, oh, no, you know, don't take it out on the umpires. Fuck that, dude. That will be sucks. It will be so stupid. It was very funny seeing

seeing Max Scherzer get searched three times. He got searched three times on the mound today. So my understanding is that the managers can call for like two. Yeah. Or like you get like two free passes. I don't even know exactly what the rules are, but I do know that Gerardi like asked for a third one on Scherzer. And Scherzer undid his belt buckle, took his glove off, took his hat off through Adam and then Gerardi got tossed later.

But it's it's ridiculous. Like at some point, I feel like Trevor Bauer, when he gets searched, he's probably just going to strip. He's just probably going to take off the shirt. That actually basically just happened in the A's game. It was who was it? Someone just basically stripped. Sergio Romo, Sergio Romo essentially stripped in front of the ump.

And I know there's going to be people like, well, what should they do? Let him keep cheating. Oh, yeah, that's what MLB has always done. That's what they did for for the steroid era. That's what they did for the Greenie era. That's what they did for juicing the balls, which probably led to the pitchers being like, we have to even this somehow by doing the sticky stuff.

My whole point is you you should fix it. But don't fix it in the middle of the season only after it becomes public because you feel like a fool for letting it go on and having it be an open secret for so long. That's why MLB is stupid. I love how Rob Manfred was like, you know what, fans, we hear you loud and clear. You want baseball to be more like the TSA. So so we're going to have we're going to have you take your shoes off,

put your laptops in a tray. It's it's honestly like it's ridiculous that every time they do this, they're stopping the game for like seven minutes. Yeah, it's just so stupid. So I I got a couple ideas for how maybe we could even this out a little bit. First is just if the manager asks you to ask the umpires to go out there and check the pitcher more than once in a game. Yeah, the manager then has to go to bat if they don't find anything.

I think you should just if you get checked, it should be like not TSA, but let's call it like going into a stadium and getting checked going into a stadium. If you get checked and you're able so you get checked the first inning. If you're able to sneak something onto the mound in the second inning, it should play if you can get a flask into the fucking game. You should get to drink out of that. If you get a nip of pine tar, that would be funny. Yeah, right. Or like he pulls off his pants and out of his jockstrap comes

some spider attack. Here's what we got. What about this? If you if they check you, you don't get caught. You are allowed to use whatever you want from that point forward. You can't be checked for anything. Right. Like, so if let's say the manager is allowed to request you to get checked twice, then at that point, you can flagrantly cheat for the rest of the game. Yeah, you can just like have a bottle of airplane glue in your hand and be doing that between pitches and that's all fair.

So give you you get two times two requests for this. And if it goes past that, then you're fucking over your own team. It's just I cannot believe that it's crazy that there are actually people out there who are like, I side with the MLB here for why they fucking let everyone cheat for their history of the game. And just because they got exposed, they're going to they're going to swing the pendulum of justice so hard, like you're making a drastic change in the middle of a season.

I do think you should stop with the spider attack and all that shit. But this is just so over the top, ridiculous, so over the top, ridiculous. And it's so classic MLB where they're like, well, we fucked up. But now we didn't care that we fucked up. We care that we got caught. And now we're going to just make it so apparent that we're checking everyone that the game gets slower and all the pace of the play. It's so stupid. It's so stupid.

OK, I'm watching Sergio Roma right now. Take his belt off pants all the way down like to his knees. You sure? I mean, they could just hide anything they want under their ballsack. It's like prison. Are there are the umpires going to be like, hey, turn around, lift it up. Joe Westwell. Joe Westwell. All right, FAQs. Let's finish FAQs. And Billy, I do want to say just going back to our conversation about memes

earlier, he did come through Zip Recruiter. We got over 3000 people sending their resumes. We went through a bunch. But how I look at it is when I go through resumes and it's like you either put your resume with just words on it and memes was like, oh, I've been doing PMT memes for the last whatever, 12 months on my own. Just doing it. That obviously says a lot more. So if you are thinking of how to get in the door, it's like, just do it.

Do it without anyone telling you what to do because then you've got a body of work. Then I look at it and I'm like, I don't have to tell this person what to do. And he works here. FAQs. What's your favorite podcast at Barcel that you are not affiliated with? That's a good question. I like it's pretty good. No. What?

Well, that's not it's not here. That might be. I say KFC radio, even though I was affiliated. No. OK. What? You can unplug the fridge. All right. All right. All right. I like chicklets. Chicklets is great.

Chicklets is amazing. Respect. Chicklets is the best. Uh, I like. I like it with my favorite CEO. Ah, the important ratio. Always good for the drama. Yeah, I do listen to that one.

I mean, I don't listen to a lot of podcasts, but I want to do. Unnecessary roughness is good. I'm a college football fan. Caller daddy, RIP. I like Rasta. Now just listening to all listening, listing all of them. Oh, son of a boy dad. The new assassin Roan joint.

Those are my guys. Anus. He was mad that you guys didn't credit him. Why is there a singy for the summer? It would be funny if we just didn't say, you know, obviously, LCB LCB boys bleep out anus because then you are affiliated with them. Stats was mad at you guys, though, for not crediting them for what? Singy for the summer.

Oh, I can't say red line. I'm affiliated. He said that. Parod walk. OK, so. How many of the CBT? How many of the uncle, the reality of the situation is we don't have that much time to listen to podcast.

They're all very great, but they are good. We we watch all the clips and we listen to them when we can. How many of the friends of PMT are you guys truly close friends with? Big Cat said something about if he texted Blake Griffin about hanging out after the title, he'd be hit with a ha ha reaction. Do the other blakes fall into that? What about Jared, Chris Long, etc. I would consider Chris Long to be a friend of ours.

Chris and Kyle are friends. Jared, Jared would hang out. The other blakes. Yeah, we have Blake Bortles. Blake Bortles is like on a 24 hour text delay, but he definitely would hang out. I feel like Blake Kepka is a perimeter friend. He's a friend.

No, I think he would hang out. Brooks would definitely hang out. Brooks would absolutely hang out, which we're calling somebody like an actual friend when we've only how many times have we met him face to face? Two, I think twice. Yeah, but there's there's people if I hit him up and was like, hey, let's get dinner or something that he would. He Brooks would definitely fall in that category.

Who else would fall in that category? It's too finer, too finer. Absolutely going out there tomorrow for field day. Yeah, it's going to be incredible. We're going to get him on the show. I know we'll make a list. Florio's family. Yeah.

Well, should we make a list? Say, Prisco, maybe over Florio, just because we get it with him. We don't need to make a list. No, we can make a list. Make a list, Billy. Danny Woodhead. All right, you would head for sure. Not a question.

I actually did see this a lot in response to the end of the show on Monday. Rachel Nichols, Z count. Nah, Mark Titus. Wait, did you now? Recillo or Rachel Nichols? No, Rachel Nichols is cool. Recillo, no. No, so is a friend.

Are you picking a fight with a friend of mine? You're not that dude. You're not that dude. Like, you're not that guy or that you're neither one. Like, if you were really coming out, Recillo. No, I just he would. No offense, but we're still would snap you in half. Who says I'm just I'm just in my opinion.

Why is that what's coming at me? I'm going to tell Recillo you just you said that. Dude, I'm going to tell Recillo that you. That's fine. I would smoke Recillo one on one. Oh, and what? Anything. Oh, my God. Chess. Sure. Probably. Yeah.

Hope your wills in order. By the way, did you someone tweeted me that? He posted a picture. I wasn't even sure if there was a hoop in it. It was just him shooting. I was like, I think he might have just posted that in the field. Sick elevation. We did our wills.

I don't know why I love you or so. I don't know why. I don't know why either. Also, I love her. No, I love her. Hank, he was just clearing out his phone. He made that. He made that very clear.

He's like, you're a bunch of old photos. I had to clear out and put on Instagram. That's my favorite is when someone's like clearing out my phone from all my summer vacation. Just randomly thought of these pictures that I clearly was going back through to look at. I'm actually not going to say the will thing because that was a funny tweet, but it's also sad.

What? The one I sent you, Hank. We did a will two years ago on PMT, where we all said what everyone gets. My will had Lior and Rhea. Speaking of that, someone was like, way to go, big cat. Cold takes exposed. That is a good transition to this next one. I did get a lot of responses and people reaching out

after the end of the show on Monday and people being like, I went through something similar and part of my take helped me get through that. So this FAQ is kind of. So what do you use? ZBT? Just wanted to, no, I'm still figuring that out. Oh, OK.

Just wanted to say thanks to the whole pod, especially our special boy, Hank, big fan of the show. It's gotten me through some rough times. Love you guys. Oh, and something for. So that's more just like we do get a lot of those messages. I appreciate it. And they're nice to see.

I thought I thought it blows my mind. Yeah, I thought everyone stepped up like all the responses I saw. I thought everyone stepped up and was was appropriate and respected it and it was nice. It was good to see. We can be adults every now and then. Yeah.

And sometimes I just don't think about, you know, we just do the show. It's it's our job. It's funny or whatever we have last, but it's seeing people that reach out and are like, oh, you know, this show helps me a lot. It helps me get through stuff like it's cool to see. Mm hmm.

Let's do one more. All right. I'm not going to do this to Billy then. Have you guys been back to Canton to put flowers at Larry's grave or to see if the tree signs are still there? No fucking chance. And AWL definitely stole that shit as soon as the fans drove off.

I would be shocked if Larry's body had not been desecrated at this point. We should actually just say it's the perfect. Hey, remember when everyone stepped up when Hank like opened his heart? Well, the reverse of it is when we buried Larry and not 24 hours later, some asshole tweeted us and we actually made a pact in this group that we're like, we're not going

to give him any shine. He dug up Larry's grave and ripped the thing off and was like, I wanted it for my house. You fucking asshole. I hope you got hit by a bus. Also jokes on you because that wasn't even Larry's body. That was a random goldfish we found at the pet store and killed and buried there just that you would take it.

We still have Larry's body here. Mm-hmm. And it's actually Larry's body and you got it. But fuck you. It's got Jimmy Hoffa's DNA on it. So you could be implicated in a crime, my friend. Yeah, that sucked. That was a very big moment of like, nah, we didn't do it right.

I didn't think it was too much to add. We did it right. Yeah, we did it right. No, like the AWLs didn't do it. I don't know. Maybe I'm naive. I don't think it's too much to ask to be like, hey, don't dig up my pet's body.

24 hours. I wanted one week. I want to just not know. If you dug it up and never told us, we would have been happy. You know what I really wanted? Someone should go back there and put up a sign. We'll send you a t-shirt if you do that. I wonder.

If you're in Canton, Ohio, find the tree. I wanted other AWLs to be able to stop by and pay their respects for at least a little bit. You ruined that guy. There are people that actually took road trips to Canton, Ohio to visit poor Larry's little fish body. And they just arrived there and saw a giant hole in the ground. Fucking asshole.

Really bummed me out. I loved the guy that brought his kid to that. Yeah, that was gross. That kid's scarred for life. And the poor guy that brought his wife or whatever. And she was just like, what's going on? Yeah, she's like, this sucks. It's Saturday afternoon.

All right, Billy. Weird. So we missed a couple things today. First, my hot seat is wings. Wingstop is now thighstop due to the national wing shortage. There was a three-time price increase in wings. So it actually had, like, you know, it's actually been a better investment to invest in wings

than it would be to invest in some cryptos right now. So, like, we should have been buying wings. My cool throne. Well, we were. Yeah, we used to eat them. No, but like, to store. Got it. Buying and freezing wings.

So wait, what does this mean for Buffalo Wild Wings? I don't know. Buffalo Wild Thighs? Yeah, Wild Thighs. That actually sounds like a better restaurant. Chicken thighs. Chicken thighs are actually cheaper than chicken wings now. What about drumsticks?

Drumsticks are technically chicken wings. Really? No, they're not. They're legs. Those are legs. Wings are the arms. Wings are the wings. These wings.

This is a wing, right? I don't know what it means for drumsticks. And then that's the drumstick. But Rick Ross had a killer commercial. My cool throne is James Winston's friends, because he's still employing them to train him. Yeah. And there was a bunch of awesome videos today.

They were. That were hilarious. So cool. He's the workout king. I feel like he's trolling us at this point. What was he saying? What were the numbers? Wait a minute.

Oh, and so what was happening was he had a buddy that was standing downfield, holding up, like, wings. Like, how many fingers am I holding up? And James, proving to us that he has the eyesight of a peregrine falcon at this point, was calling out those numbers left and right. Not even squinting. I don't know if you saw his eyes.

I love it. Nothing's ever going to match the giant scrotum workout video, though, where he just had that big swing and ball bag just going back and forth. Also, people think Tom Brady was talking about the 49ers in Jim Graplo, because people said that Tom Brady always wanted to move back to California and retire at his childhood team.

That's right. He was at that game with Chris Berman. Exactly. Also, RG3 released a video to Jake's point of him running apparently a 4.3740, which was totally false, which definitely means that it was also fake news, like what Jake was talking about. Also, I feel like we discussed that earlier about RG3's

40 time on the Instagram video. Set the giant counter back to zero days for Billy. What? PFC talked about it. OK, OK, OK. Brought it up. The sticky stuff persecution in MLB is because there's been the longest lowest batting average in the league.

It's been much better than the last year. Because he dead in the balls. No, because remember that tweet? Remember the tweet storm about the guy who was saying that people were steinstealing the Yankees were implicated. They found a bunch of cameras. Well, basically, they all stopped doing that. So the batting.

They dead in the balls. The batting average just went down because of the cameras. That's my theory. And now they're cracking down. But they also dead in the balls. Like the MLB is so stupid. They juiced the balls so there'd be more home runs. Then whenever it was like the balls are juiced,

they dead in the balls were juiced. Then the pitchers were like, well, fuck, we got to figure out something to stop that. So we're going to put a bunch of sticky shit on our hands. Then they dead in the balls. And then the and then they're like, the batters are like, well, now it's not fair. They have to sticky stuff.

See how the MLB just keeps putting themselves in a circle. Now it actually would be the best time for a batter to just straight up cork your bat. Let everyone look at the batters. Yeah, juice the balls, juice the players. Steroids for everyone for everyone mandatory steroids. Let's just see how let's see how fast guys can throw and how far home runs we've uniforms out of fighting necklaces.

Give them all the superpowers. I just hate them. Sorry, Billy, that wasn't about you. I also dug Larry's grave. That's a lie. I'm on video digging Larry's grave. Oh, you dug the whole school. Yeah, you didn't dig him up.

You didn't desecrate. No, I didn't desecrate. I dug his grave. Yeah, you dug his grave. Yes, I didn't dig deep enough. Yes. Oh, I like the responsibilities taken, though. I like the responsibility, but I'm going to back you up.

I remember, because I think I also maybe dug a little bit of it. There was that tree, was a very old tree, and there's a lot of roots. True. A lot of roots. Chipmunks carry more ticks than deer. Oh, wow.

58. Really? 8. Yeah, big Lyme disease. They're way cuter, though. Chipmunks are like the cutest thing ever. 99. 18.

It's like baby ducks. I feel like someone's going to get in here. 69. 8. Always 8. 19. Is that a first timer? 19 is moved to the four-time category, joining 17, 38, and 80.

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