Pardon My Take - Jaguars HC Liam Coen, Captain America Brady Tkachuk, We Enter Supreme Debate + Listener Submitted FAQ’s

Episode Date: March 5, 2025

The Mavs have officially entered season from hell after tearing his ACL(00:00:00-00:07:17). Franchise tags and cuts around the NFL + LeBron hits 50,000 points(00:07:17-00:20:24). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including supreme debate on Shohei vs Travis Hunter(00:20:24-00:40:43). Jaguars Head Coach Liam Coen joins the show to talk about taking the job, Duval, his life in football and Steven Cheah speaking for Bucs fans(00:40:43-01:15:13). Captain America Brady Tkachuk joins the show in studio to talk about Four Nations, fighting in the NHL, being a beauty and his dad motivating he and his brother(01:15:13-01:52:28). We finish with listener submitted FAQ’s(01:52:28-02:07:52)You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take

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Beware the Ides of March. What is that? That's when Caesar got shanked. Beware the Ides of March. I apologize. I was gonna say another bummer for the season from hell from the Mavs, but I got distracted. You're right. 15th. 15th. March 4th was yesterday and that's the only day of the year that's a complete sentence. Yeah. Also March the 4th be with you. Yes. Is what the Star Wars people say. Yes it is. That's a fact. No, but yeah. Season from hell for the Mavs. The worst.

Sucks for Kyrie. I feel bad for him. I feel bad for Mavs fans. This has just been so shitty for you guys. Yeah. And now Anthony Davis, according to Shams, he and his representatives are huddling up right now. Oh no.

They're all going to figure out whether or not Anthony Davis is going to return this year. You basically went from the window opening incredible run to the finals last year. Luca, a superstar. Your young bigs, you know, gonna be big pieces. Kyrie, his whole career like, you know, not rebirth but he started to have fun playing basketball again to now we're sitting here at the Ides of March and and Kyrie is out for the year with the torn ACL Lucas on the Lakers and Anthony Davis is huddling

up yeah they're huddling to determine whether or not they're I'll tell you what's gonna happen if they decide for him to come back he's gonna have like a hamstring strain yeah game one yeah it's gonna be planned out like the Bay of Pigs and then it's gonna be over just as fast Yeah, not not a good situation for the Mavericks to be in but I feel bad for him just because This this is the worst season Dallas fans have had to deal with since the 2024 Cowboys since this season Yeah, then the season before last and then the season before last but Duke's good Duke is good. So that's your promo Yeah, that's good for them. I have, uh, I think it was put perfectly by a noted NBA insider. Uh, he said it is bad that they don't have Luca anymore. Who said that? Uh, that was pug. Pug nailed it. Pug nailed it. Absolutely.

Nailed it. If you had Luca, you'd still be like, ah, this sucks. But yeah, you know, maybe he'll be back next year. Probably not. But even so, we got Luca. Yeah, we got Luca. We'll make a run in the playoffs. We probably won't win it all, but we'll at least like have some fun moments. But it is bad that they don't have Luca anymore. That was the one thing that Dallas fans had for a long time, even when the Cowboys weren't playing well, when Dak would get hurt to be like,

well, Luca season coming up, Luca, Luca holds it all together. Now it's like, yeah, Kyrie, he's got another season left on his contract, I think, right? I imagine he'll opt into that after this injury. I have no idea how NBA contracts work, but I think he has one more year left. Yeah. So he'll be back next year, hopefully, maybe.

It just looked bad, but respect to Kyrie for stepping up to the foul line while he was crying and then hitting the foul shot. Yes. That was kind of cool. It's kind of like when Kobe did it with his Achilles. Yeah. That's the best thing that's happened to the Mavericks this year was Kyrie being able to hit those clutch free throws. I don't know if you're a Mavs fan. I don't know what you just pretend this year didn't happen. Well, they also, if you're a season ticket holder, they got the notification that prices are going to be up 8% next year

That was to help pay for Anthony Davis's medical bills. Yes Their insurance went up. Yeah brutal. I feel bad for Mads fans. What do you think are the worst seasons? Oh, this has got to be one of the worst seasons, right? This has to be I mean given all the context winter Given all the context though I think this has to be one of the worst seasons of all time. And I know that people will be like, well, that's reactionary.

But I'm just saying the context of finals run last year, like future seems super bright. And then to have everything fall apart and not just every, like you can deal with if Luca was injured, but still on the Mavs. You're like, all right, season from hell. We'll be back next year Everything fell apart and your own team sabotage your bright future because they traded away a top three guy Yeah, it's not good. I would say this the White Sox had a season from hell, but that was just that was different That was always by design and that also like gets to comical level where it's like holy shit How many games are they gonna lose? Yeah

But yeah, this is really bad Browns 2024 Browns 2016 Browns 2024. What was those? Is this Sean that was this year? Yeah, but see I had Jamis. He had some bright spots in there Yeah, I think I think that was sports. It's always like when When a team is bad, it's like alright right that was a bad season but it's the expectations and then where it ends up yeah that's the combo that's the deadly combo that the Mavs fans are dealing with right now yeah it's bad it's brutal um we also had uh i'm gonna assume we're taping this in the afternoon i'm gonna assume lebron has hit his 50th thousandth point, 50,000 points. Congrats, LeBron. He was one shy the other night.

I think everyone probably bet that he was gonna score 18 points. That didn't work out. I thought he was gonna have an empty netter at the end. Yeah, 50,000 is pretty insane. Yeah, it is. I know he's been in the center of all the who's the face of the league controversy, which isn't really controversy, but it is pretty nuts. We're not the number one LeBron podcast, but I also know how

incredible he's been and two decades plus of being at the top of the NBA is insane when you think about it. I'm pretty clear on LeBron. He can be very frustrating and funny sometimes. Very funny. He can be unintentionally hilarious. He's one of if not the best basketball player of all time He's done a great job in terms of being in the public eye since he was what 16 years old Yes, and not having any major scandals not having anything like derail his career. Mm-hmm. That's hard to do I don't I don't know how he's done it, but he's done a great job of it I think you could actually make the case that LeBron James He is top two basketball player of all time. Yep. He might be a better dad than basketball player. Could be the fact that he got his son drafted.

Yeah, that's facts. He might actually be one of the best dads. It's like him and God. Yeah, I guess, depending on which testament, God, you're looking at. It is funny because the drafted thing, we didn't talk about that on Sunday when we were talking about the face of the league stuff. It is funny to throw that in there that LeBron Like was like yeah

Brownies better than like a lot of guys in the NBA right now and doing that and then being like media don't be mean to Me yeah, but he deserves credit 50,000 points is insane Hank. Would you like to give him credit? That's an insane amount of points. Yeah credit or credits to Steroids. Oh, oh wow. Oh, wow. mean that was ugly Hank you might get sued that was ugly I Was that wasn't related? We're just oh you're just right at where credits do period Steroids are illegal. Yeah, don't do them. Yeah. Yeah, okay. That's a good sentence We're doing one minute of pro LeBron talk I Can I gave him credit where it was credit where credit here 50,000 points remember for the punishment you were gonna try to get his

Point total yeah, that was so easy. Do you guys think you've ever done 50,000 of anything in your life? Bets you think you've made 50,000 bets. I don't know maybe sunflower seeds You think yeah all those years playing baseball for you. Yeah, let me think about how many sunflower Do you think are in are in a bag max that's actually a genius answer? Yep? Yeah, how many are in a bag? 300 piss Piss for sure I think I might have 50,000 might have done 50,000 bets I Don't know It's probably in like in the multiple thousands a year.

Yeah, I just don't know if I've done anything 50,000 times. Piss, bets, eat, no. I was gonna say eat ice cream, probably not. That's a lot of ice cream. 50,000 meals? 50,000 meals sounds right. So 900 to 1,000, let's say 1 a thousand meals a year. Yeah. Nope. No, no less thousand. Yes, we're not. So that's 40,000 meals. Uh, golf shots? No. Yes. No. Think about how many

you take just randomly on the simulator. I've only been playing for five years. Have I played my whole life? And yeah, but like what 110 around what about meatballs? No, Max meatballs. No, no, they're too big. So yeah, you got to have something small. Yeah, I've probably played 50,000 notes on the guitar. I've taken 50,000 steps. Yeah. 50,000 steps. There you go. That's huge. I've not thought about Michael Sam 50,000 times. That, 50,000 steps. There you go. That's huge. I've not thought about Michael Sam 50,000 times. That's also huge. I'm probably leading all time record for that. Yeah. 50,000 minutes podcasted.

Yes. We have to have hit that. Yeah, but minutes is different. It's like minutes spent doing something as opposed to doing the actual task. We couldn't say 50,000 pods. Also, is our 500th show coming up soon? Yeah.

I think it's this one. I think it might be this one. Huge, huge. All right. So and then the NFL, Saquon got a new contract. Zoom worked. Yeah. Are running backs overvalued in the NFL now? They might be. I don't think I'd ever pay running back. I don't know. What was it? What was the deals of his term? The terms of his deal? It was two years, 41 million, I believe. Okay. That's pretty good. It put it over 20 million. No running back has ever been paid that much. I think there's what? At least a dozen, maybe two dozen receivers who make that much money. Good for him, but

good for him. Happy for Saquon. He deserves it. It goes back to like him and Derek Henry. They are worth that much money to be a piece on a good team. Yes. Agreed. But they are not worth that much money. Like if you're a bad team, paying them that much money. Yeah to be a piece on a good team Yes agreed, but they are not worth that much money Like if you're a bad team paying them that much doesn't make sense Yes But it is better to pay him that much money than it is to pay a quarterback who's not very good a lot of money Correct a Daniel Jones if you would hypothetically Max. What do you think about that? Also you cut Darius Slay and James Bradbury All your all your secondary Bradbury I don't think was active for a single game this year. Okay, well champion Super Bowl champion

It's a ring and he was a good vet in the locker room. Apparently he did all the right things He was never upset about it So shout out James Bradbury, but say Kwan deserved it. I also think how he's doing this. There's there's got to be some cap Reasoning he's up to something. Yeah, how are you structuring? He I think I think that that had that had to have been part of it Oh, he had a great how he's always how he just moves money back all the time So I think somehow he probably restructured it that he's getting more money miles Garrett the extension me Miles Garrett, I did this bad podcasting. I stopped my sentence midway just so I could do the fingers.

Yeah. Max, we were getting into a little debate over the weekend and on Monday's show about how I was maybe overreacting to the commanders getting Miles Garrett, but now it's more even between the Eagles and the commanders. Now actually the Browns have retaken the lead on that. The Browns had always had the lead. I always knew. I was saying other than the Browns have retaken the lead on that the Browns had always had the lead when I when we I Always knew I was saying other than the Browns. Okay other than the Browns Yeah, cuz I was probably just gonna stay with the Browns Browns are probably gonna be like miles Garrett's the best player in the league

We're not giving him up. Yeah, but no I don't try listen how he is always cooking something. He's got something cooking That's it It must be fun to be an Eagles fan because you get to see any possible free agent or any possible trade and be like, that sounds, seems like a Howie deal. Yeah. How he's working the phones. The only two tags we ended up getting, cause the deadline has passed is T Higgins and Trey Smith. And so T Higgins, the Bengals release that they tagged him and they were working on a

new long-term deal. I actually think the Bengals might be able to pay everyone. Do you think so? I don't know. I would. Sure. Figure it out. You could just pay everyone. If he doesn't get a new deal,

and he goes into the second year in a row on the franchise tag, which is, you know, it's still a lot of money. But it's still bullshit. It's not guaranteed. There's nothing in the future. I guess this one year is guaranteed, but there's nothing past that.

What's the over-under for amount of weeks that he plays before he has an injury that they can't figure out how severe it is? Can it be negative? Would you put it at half a week? You think you play? Well, I'm saying, yeah, can it be training camp? Can it be?

Yeah, does he play week one? Or does he have a calf injury? The franchise tag is kind of bullshit for a guy like T Higgins where it's like, dude, just, I don't know, figure it out. I know it's a lot of money. What is it? What's it going to end up being?

Probably. I have no idea. In the 20s? Yeah. I would say maybe even in the 30s. No, probably not the 30s. Wide receiver franchise tag. Let's figure this out.

Franchise tag price. Either way, he wants his guaranteed money, deserves it. I agree. 21, 22,000 pretty much. That was for last year. Okay. So it might. might million million million 22 million Sorry, it will be interesting though, because if they sign Jamar chase to a new deal that would also impact that's like giving him a raise. Yeah

Yeah, be like hey, don't worry. We'll get you on the back end. That's cool I wonder if Jamar chase thought about that when he was negotiating like I need I need more money in the first year Yeah, because that makes T's franchise tag worth more. I'm sure T Higgins would be totally thrilled with that explanation Yeah, okay, we're paying Jamar chase this much money, but guess what it actually means that you get another half a million dollars Yeah, you're like great. Fuck you There's one other thing that how we did max. I don't know if you saw that quote You see this quote about winning Super Bowls? I did not see this.

It's pretty good, he said, the first one is almost like having sex for the first time. You're just so happy you had sex, it's not even the quality of it. The second time, it's like I can almost have fun and enjoy this. I like that. I need him to have more sex though.

He's only had sex. I want him to like- I'm on the bonk list Is that a bond yeah, you want? How he wrote yes? But it's a metaphor. No that's supporting the boys. Yeah, you want your boys to get laid correct imagine losing your virginity to Nick Foles No, it would be bad He probably didn't even enjoy that Super Bowl at all that would hurt a lot Probably couldn't walk for a weekend. Yeah, that would not be good

But yeah how he's up to something he's up to something so are we officially in the non tampering zone of free agency? Yeah, fuck it Yeah, let's just say fuck it. Fuck it. It's our Tampa way also Devante Adams got released Fuck it fuck it. It's our Tampa Tampa way also Devante Adams got released Yes, so he will probably co-attend whatever job interview that Aaron Rodgers goes on like in step brothers Yeah, that's probably ski vacation. Yeah, exactly what they're gonna. You think he'd want to play in Las Vegas I can't see my raiders uniform six days away from six days from the non tampering Start tampering NFL's legal tampering period aka free agency is one week away You know what I hereby declare legal tampering open. I will not I will look the other way if anyone wants to tamper right now

Yeah, do you think AJ Brown's gonna stay at Philadelphia Eagle? Oh, is that a question? I the this is going off of the Patriots reached out to see if AJ Brown was available Well good thing we we released the tampering period. Yeah, did they reach out to the to Howie or did they reach out to AJ? I don't know. This is I saw an aggregator tweet about this seems like a big nothing. Yeah, did you get aggregated Hank? No, the Patriots won Every team should want AJ Brown. Yeah, they don't have his former coach as their new head coach Mmm. Oh memes just threw and traded him away That wasn't him. He was the coach then there's video of him in the war room

Hey studies research Hanks come with the research. You didn't expect that memes He was traded away under Mike variables tenure Mike variable wanted to trade AJ Brown. Yeah, probably probably fucking hates him Oh, I don't think that's what happened. So then why would they call the Eagles to see if he's available you got aggregated Oh Aggregated they didn't you're saying the Patriots didn't call the Eagles No, that's a heavy accusation to lay on someone else tell them they got aggregated assault. You're saying the Patriots didn't call the Eagles? No, that's a heavy accusation to lay on someone else tell them they got aggregated. That's fucked up memes would never get aggregated No ever memes. Where's Davante Adams gonna go and are you sad? I'm gonna say San Francisco What was your favorite Davante Adams highlight?

Was it when he popped out behind Aaron Rodgers on the McAfee show? That was cool Oh, he had what he had like his tackle that he made against He had one great release to Do you see that release the Texans? I think it was against it He did a little side step at the line scrimmage broke you guys ankles. Yeah, that was cool. I think it was like an 11-yard gain So I'm thinking of the touchdown so overall Devante Adams as a jet great it Gonna go C- oh, okay. That's how that's very generous. He was he though. He wasn't the most disappointing missing piece

No, he was electric. He was incredible. He gave that speech that fired up the team that and rogers. That was life-changing No, he was electric. He was incredible. He gave that speech that fired up the team that and Roger said was life changing. Yeah, the life changing speech change everyone's life. That's exactly right. OK, do we have anything else going on in the world of sports? Sam Darnold will not be franchise tagged. Yes. So situations fluid. It's very fluid. I guess he could go back to Minnesota at this point.

Yeah. Or he could be a giant. It could be a giant. That would be very funny. Yeah, I just I love whenever a situation is fluid. Yeah, I think he's gonna be a Raider. You think so? I used to be a Raider. I don't know where that puts I think Aaron Rodgers is gonna be a giant. I think Adam's gonna be a giant as well. I think I would like to see Sam back in New York. Back, back in the New York groove. I'm back, back in the New York groove. The New York groove. Okay, wanna do Hot Seat Cool Taron?

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ESPN announced today that they will host their final episode Friday, May 23rd. That made me a little sad, a little nostalgic. Yeah. Ides of May. PTI around the horn every single day after school. It's just sad. Times are changing. It is sad. Yeah, it is sad. Woody Page must have run out of shit to put on his blackboard. That's the only excuse I can think. Why are they, why are they getting rid of it? Is there

a reason? Ratings or is it just run this course? Nothing? Don't know. No follow up. I think they announced that they were going to get rid of it a while ago, but now they have a date. Got it. That they put on it. So, I mean, you can't get rid of a sports program like that during football season. No. But late May, yeah. Yeah, just let it go out.

Yeah, people won't, they're not gonna realize it's gone until August, and then they'll be like, wait, I need to hear people scream at each other. Yeah, around the horn, PTI back in like the early 2000s was, that was peak. PTI is still good, bys was that was peak PTI is still good by PTI I still great. I'm just saying like that was when it was because PTI was very new and refreshing Yeah, when it started and those guys are still awesome together But I'm just saying like that stretch where it was just especially because it was before

Smartphones so your sports news came from those two. Yeah. Yeah, and I think that's what made the early Round the Horn so great too, was the panelists that they'd have on, they had those relationships and they would get like pissed off at each other, they'd yell at each other, and it was great.

And they figured out- Marriottie? They figured out, yeah, Marriottie was the goat. They figured out a way to make talking to each other about sports a sport Yeah, yeah in the point system that made no sense Yeah, and Tony reality seems like one of like the best dudes ever. Yeah seems like a solid guy I feel like no one's ever said a bad word about Tony reality and this program won't either no

Yeah, yeah, Tony rally and TJ Levin. I feel like they were like kind of like Related they always looked the same to me and they're really iconic hosts of the early 2000s We gotta go visit our friend TJ. I know yeah, I love TJ. All right. Can't you see them like they're like yeah Cousins I can see what you're saying and then my cool throne is embracing the bait. Hmm. We didn't talk about this Travis hunter at the combine said that him playing offense and defense. It than show. Hey, playing offense. Oh, okay. Embrace. Oh, I think he's right. Wait, but like what he does on the football field. No is harder than pitching and hitting playing offense defense. Every baseball player does that. No, obviously. Right. Being a professional pitcher and like being a professional cornerback and a professional wide receiver at the same time playing the

same game. I feel like that would, it would be a better comparison if Travis Hunter was a cornerback and a quarterback. Yeah. I think Shohei still clears. Why? Well, we've seen it. We've just, it's, it's a more specialized position and we've seen so much crossover between like hitting is not a specialized position. No, but I'm saying. We've just it's it's a more specialized position and we've seen there's so much crossover between like hitting is not a specialized position No, but I'm saying there's a there's a lot of crossover between if you're playing corner if you're playing wide receiver There's a lot of the same skills that you would use for both of those Shohei as a pitcher and then as a hitter. It's completely different. I

Also, I don't know about that. There's a lot of pitchers that can hit and There's a lot of but not like he's not like he's like there's not a lot of there's not a lot of pitchers that can hit Like Shohei what yeah, yeah, there's not a lot of hitters that can pitch like on trail Willis No one can call those on Brano. No one big see could hit not this is bad No, no one can pitch No pitcher has been able to pitch and hit the way show Hey hits and no hitter has been able to hit and pitch the way show hey pitches and no person has success I guess he hasn't done it yet. There have been other guys that have successfully played both snaps all game Well, you haven't seen in the NFL. Yeah in the NFL maybe not but like Sonny ball

But you can't say this until he does it in the NFL. Like some of these guys could do both. I think Sonny Ball led the league in touchdown passes, interceptions, and punting in a season. I mean Troy Brown played, like Edelman played both, but not succe... I guess it will see after the season if he's successfully able to do both. I think what Shohei is doing is still like one of the most insane things. It is crazy, yes. And I love Travis Hunter. We'll see if you can do it

That's fucking good point god damn. It's you're on your game today. Ah I mean that I have no I have no response Travis Hunter doesn't have any any gambling scandal connections to him Travis Hunter doesn't have MLB World Series you know World Series ring Yeah, but Charmin show I didn't even play. He only played one position. But can Shohei go live on Twitch? Probably not. I don't think so. Could he pull like Travis pulled? He got us with the he got us with the highs. Yeah, that's good. Embrace debate. Yeah, that's how it's done. This is why we debate. This is why, is how it's done. That was supreme debate. Point Hank, Travis Hunter more impressive

than Shohei Otani. Oh yeah. I will say that he has to hit people. Yeah. On both sides. I will, I will start a green doesn't even play the field. I'll start agreeing with just hits. I'll start agreeing with you. He just hits. I'll start agreeing with what you're saying. How hard can that be? If Travis Hunter is able to do this in the pros because that will be insane. I think he'll have packages on offense but I don't think any team's going to let him play that many snaps in the pros.

I feel like that's what he said when he made the switch to Colorado. It's like all those differentalities, D1 major conference. But that's just double the chance of getting injured. I think he's going to try to switch to Colorado. It's like all these different nowadays. You know D1. But that's just double the chance of getting injured. I think he's going to try to do. I still don't think you're like he would have to be the best corner and the best receiver in the league. Yeah. I'm sure he's not the best pitcher but he's up there. He's up there. He's up there. He is. He's the best hitter in the league and he would have to be. He'd have to be the best wide receiver and a top five top 10 cornerback would be the comparable. He would be an all pro and if MLB had all pro like the NFL does he would be an all pro in both. Correct. If he stayed healthy and played both. Oh that's good. Why are you putting that on him. Got

you. Because he didn't. He didn't. He did not. not he did not and he would like Show eventually will just go you will just be hitting eventually Yeah, we'll see how much more you can pitch. Mm-hmm. I hope we can keep pitching Hank kind of body well also a counterpoint though Hank. This is one thing I learned watching around the horn you have to say The hardest thing to do in sports is hitting a baseball I also don't think Hank actually believes what he's arguing He just wants to be the other side of the argument, which is a good which is a good role to have no I don't know no no I think I think there's there's a better chance of another show Hey, oh tiny coming around than another Travis Hunter

Physically demand that's just not right well you just said what do you mean that's more physically demanding what you just said that's just not right yeah Hank who else has done it at Shohei's level ever? Babe Ruth and in a hundred years ago when they didn't let black people play. It's been a hundred years. Well they didn't have the DH and the NL till like two years ago so what's that in the ale yeah he's not on the ALT what where was he two years ago okay now Hanks lose oh how many picks does he have it's good debate that was good fucking debate you agree yes yeah yeah we Yeah. Yeah. We, we, we, we leave, we get outside the white lines. We're friends again. Yep. Inside the white lines were enemies. I still think Hank one though. Yeah. I mean the Heisman thing just crippled

he got off to a hot start. We couldn't catch that. That brought me to my knees. Yeah. My hot seat is the Houston rodeo. I think it was a Houston rodeo. It was a rodeo that was happening right outside NRG Stadium. They were loading in for the rodeo to take place at NRG Stadium and a bull got out and ran away. I think it might still be on the loose right now. We got a runaway bull in Houston and according to the Texas Livestock Committee, they have a name for it when a bull escapes and gets out in the wild.

Okay, is it just, oh shit? No, it's not oh shit. It's called a Johnny football. Oh! So we have a currently happening Johnny football. We need to get the choppers in the air and chase this thing down. But this thing is just steamrolling people on the sidewalks of Houston. It's pretty great. Like there's a guy wearing a neon vest that steps in front to try to stop it. And the bull's just like, no I'm not, I don a guy wearing a neon vest that steps in front to try to stop it and the bulls just like

No, I'm not. I don't care about your neon vest I'm gonna be like he's like blowing a whistle at it bull doesn't care bull just goes through Anyways, it's cool video to watch and it's rodeo season. That is cool. My other hot seat is I'm just gonna say it Blake's on my hot seat right now. Oh Blake got Putting time out at daycare again today. This has happened a couple times He's grabbing dogs by the collar and walking them around. I love that, alpha. I don't like that.

I don't like that behavior from him. He's taking other dogs for a walk. As the fun uncles, we love that. No, this is fun uncle encouragement behavior. We're gonna have to have a talk when I get home. Because he can't be doing this shit. I'm on your side, I'm on your side. Why, Max, what do you know about owning a dog?

Dog, dog life is tough. Yeah Life is Max said reality just hit him that he he got a dog. It's cute And then you got a you got to train the dog and live with the dog There's a lot that goes into it and think about the dog. I love my dog It's been it I've been I've been single dog parent this week, and I and it's just so no I've just been going back and forth from the office. Oh, no honestly it has me on edge. I'm yelling at everybody Oh, yeah, everybody today a whole dog just to yourself. Yeah, it's a lot of responsibility Dogs are harder harder than kids

Preach max I've been doing it. What if you have three and we have three kids and a dog, but then the dog Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, that's right Raise the kid the dog definitely gets in line when the kids show up so stops being a dog I Get a call like once every I'd say three weeks from his daycare And when I see a pop-up on my phone I'm like oh fuck what do you do? Just the same as you would if you got a call from your kid's school being like oh shit He's in trouble right now, so I got to call pick up. They're like yeah. He's been he's been walking other dogs around

They're not liking it, but he won't stop doing it and he we can't think of anything to do to make him stop There's one thing that I've learned that I can do to make Blake stop doing whatever it is He's doing and he like freezes and looks at me like oh fuck I'm in big trouble and if it if I make this sound it's oh that sound he fucking hates that sound I couldn't figure out a cream pie guy I couldn't I couldn't figure out why and then it dawned on me the only other time I've seen him give me that look is when he was laying on the couch one time and I farted on and he stood up and he stared at me. He was like what the fuck was that, bro? That's it

I think he thinks that I'm farting every time I make that sound at him So I'm just gonna have to go home and either fart on him or just make that noise. Yeah He's in trouble though. Like if you're listening, I still love you very much I think I'd still rather get in trouble about Stella than one of my kids at school. No he max He doesn't get it. You don't get it. You don't get it. You don't get what's a human Yeah, but humans can understand it tall they can understand words human. You can't just go to your son Yeah, stop. He'll probably laugh school calls me. I'm like my immediate thought is something really bad happened to my human mm-hmm Like my my immediate thought is something really bad happened to my human mm-hmm

Yeah, when I get a call. I'm like oh something really bad happened to my dog. Yeah, and it's pretty bad Yeah, I'm still pissed at Hank for the otani thing You in supreme debate what I know yeah, I've been yelling. I just got some yeah, you're just you're literally mad You have to go eat tonight dinner I just gotta stop yelling. Yeah, you're literally mad you have to go eat dinner a couple times. Yeah. Oh, you would be in tears right now. You would have been crying for a week.

No, bring it on. Oh, I have to do this challenge. I'd probably do 15 of them. Oh. All right, my hot seat. My cool throne. Oh, sorry. Cool throne, sorry.

My cool throne, Pete Rose. Ah. Because Pete Rose might get reinstated into baseball. Oh. Now, he is dead, but Rob Manford is considering allowing him to get reinstated into baseball. Oh. Now he is dead, but Rob Manfred is considering allowing him to be reinstated and therefore maybe putting him in the Hall of Fame. He got pardoned. He got pardoned.

And then I think Pete, a quote from Pete came out from before he died that said, after I die, they'll reinstate me at that point, which it makes, it was a lifetime ban. Right. The operative word being life. Right. He's no word being life. Right. He's no longer a life. Right. He's dead.

So the ban should have already been lifted. Yeah, it would make sense. I mean, from everything I've heard from the Pete Rose, I always thought he should have been in the Hall of Fame. But it did feel like Pete Rose never had actual remorse for anything he did. Never. Never.

He just like incrementally apologized for more and more things, but also said more lies about what he didn't do I think someone told the story once they like he had he had a big meeting with I think it was either ceiling or Manfred Basically trying to like show contrition and then he just walked across street went right to the sports book. Yeah, it was just like alright Yeah, yeah, he did not. The man liked to gamble. Yeah. All right, my hot seat is you, PFT. Do we think that the hit show Tardnox, the naming of it,

has maybe ended hard knocks at UNC? The Tardnox curse? Yeah, it was one. I think- You dropped it on Sunday, and then on Tuesday, they're like, yeah, we're not doing it. I think somebody from HBO listened to the show and was like everyone's gonna be calling it tard not yeah I think we can't have this. Yeah, it was a good name. It was a good name, but it's it's no longer

So what happened there? I don't know Bill Belichick struggles with commitment. Yeah, but Bob Diaco is back. He's on the staff. Mm-hmm Love Bob Diaco. So they're gonna try to get a Professional team to do it or are they gonna just try to find another college team hard knocks you can do the PMT Yeah, you're welcome to do it part of the right price Part of that's part knocks doesn't that I felt like have to do it. That's why I always thought so, too I think just demand I think they have to do the regular hard knocks But to do the offseason hard knocks since it's like a new thing They might just be like no fuck you. We don't want to do that. Yeah

All right. My other hot seat is are we good one asks for more heart? I mean the n-season ones not bad in season one. I liked the training camp on it or the OTA I don't care but the The in season I actually enjoyed just because it's it's one of those stupid tricks you play on your brain. It's like seeing yourself on a Jumbotron. You're like, oh, I'm right there. I'm right here. When you watch in-season hard knocks and you're watching it, you say, oh, I remember watching that game. Yeah. That was cool. Or you're watching it with somebody that isn't a big football fan and you're like, I know what's going to happen.

Yeah, right. They're setting you up for up for something yeah it's pretty cool to watch also my hot seat are we are we good with Canada or no I'm good with Canada I'm good with Canada it seems like they just they put a retaliatory tariff on us oh we're in a tariff off we're in a tariff off and I'm hearing that it might get resolved tomorrow okay so shortest war ever I don't want to hate Canada. No, I like no beef with Canada. I got no beef with the Canadian people. Yeah. All right. My cool throne is the bonk list because asking you shall receive our guy PMT stats who does a great job has updated the bonk list. So I I'm sure he'll send it to you memes, but so far the standings

through this year our Pft. There's a competition. Well, I mean that was how it started Yeah, I think I was just started it. No, we started because we had a debate of who's hornier I said big cat was hornier and I was like Pft's hornier Yeah, he makes more sex jokes and then the then we started the list. PFT, you are in the lead right now with five. Well, who is it? So PMT stats, I appreciate all the work that he does.

But how are we, he's just going based on what he thinks is a horny comment. You will probably when we say bonk list. Okay, all right. I'm in second at four. Hank, you have two. Max and Memes, both asexual. Zero. All right. Also, Daryl Morey's on the bonk list

because there was Kesha had an Instagram where it was just her butt was out and he liked it. And it's just kind of a funny thing. What post is that? Hold on, I had bookmarked it. Okay, yeah, show it. I'll send it to you. I want to see it.

It's just a funny visual. I like Kesha. I love Kesha. She has bangers. It's just a funny visual of just seeing Kesha with her butt out and then Darryl Maury liked by good job Darryl I like that Darryl. He's getting he's getting horny with it Okay, I have to look this up in bookmark too. Yeah, but don't bonk them. That was just research. Mm-hmm max memes you guys Have anything to say about being asexual? I gotta step my game up. Yeah, sorry. I respect women Do you yeah, I think you don't yes. Yeah, like you don't sounds. No you guys look at no sexual objects

No, no, I'd say out of those five. I'm gonna. I'm gonna guess that So mad that two of them have Bases last year That two of them have just been being horny. Joe had 60 storm bases last year. Yeah, listen. He doesn't have to play the field. How can you, respecting women so much to say that they're attractive and you want to have sex with them, that's the ultimate respect. No? Okay.

Max is literally just looking up more stats. Yeah, is it disrespectful to women to go on their Instagram and say I like this picture that you took and you uploaded? Yeah, I'm appreciating their work. Is it disrespectful to to go on Twitter and see a woman post something and say I would pay a million dollars just for you to fart in a cup for me No, that's just respecting their work Come on Max. Is it disrespectful to say AJ titties? I would drink your bath water or is it supporting a small business is it disrespectful to say who's back of the week Casey Anthony Or you just really like murderers right?

Who said that dude it well she's back. She is back, and I am fascinated with her The murdering part I'm fascinated with her as a liar, okay with her the murdering part I'm fascinated with her as a liar okay she is like what a top five liar of all time Casey Anthony looks like Susan Boyle do you care no and the thing is I don't know who Susan Boyle is it's the yeah I mean even if if Casey Anthony looked like almost anybody besides can't Casey Anthony Yeah, I care. Yeah Yeah, max why don't you start respecting women a? little bit more I

Very much respect women sounds and sound like it you're still you got another show haystaff for us. You're deep into stats right now I can see yeah, I mean he finished fourth in Cy Young one year damn but What is that in the AL? I can see yeah, I mean he finished fourth in Cy Young one year damn but What what is that in the AL? What does that mean? Wow now I want to I want to defend Darrell Maury real that was a husband He won alright today invite four people with the ties them to New York the Heisman high school college I Know what I'm just talking awards. Yeah, mm-hmm show. He does not have one. He has two MVPs

Does not have a heisman but on this post He might have just been liking the caption because the caption was fuck Kanye. Oh love to two chains. Oh, okay So that might be it. Yeah, yeah Alright, let's get to our interviews. We got Liam Cohn and then we have Brady Kachak captain America We're brought to you by our friends at truly truly unruly is the first high ABV hard seltzer that actually tastes good. Truly Unruly is a hard seltzer that breaks all the rules, drinks light, parties hard with 8% ABV. It hits hard but still tastes amazing. Comes in four fresh flavors, Tropical Twist, Berry Blast, Citrus Crush, Strawberry Smash. It's the official hard seltzer part of my take.

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and use that code PMT for 20% off orders of $25 or more great purpose through great coffee. Okay here he is Jacksonville Jaguars head coach Liam Cohn. purpose through great coffee. Okay here he is Jacksonville Jaguars head coach Liam Cohn. Okay we now welcome on a very special guest it is Jacksonville Jaguars head coach Liam Cohn. First of all coach thank you for joining us we're at the combine. How does it feel just right off the rip are you getting used to the fact that you're being introduced as a head coach now? Yeah it's a dream man dream come true obviously grew up in this deal, right?

Watched my dad do it at a really young age. Grew up in sidelines in coaches offices and locker rooms and I always wanted to be him. You know, I wanted to be him and to be able to do it on this stage with this opportunity. Can't thank ShotCon enough for this. So I read a story about you growing up that like even when you were five years old you weren't playing with like Ninja Turtles you were drawing up plays yeah is that is that like a tall tail or is that actually what it was when you were a kid you were just drawing up you know the wishbone offense that was that was real I think that was

probably you know dad push it you know pushing that narrative in ways, but it was our passion. That was our shared bond. It was football, it was sports, it was basketball, it was baseball, it was all sports. That's been life at a very young age. And unfortunately for my wife, I don't have a lot of other tools in life, but football is something that ultimately

I've done for a really long time. Yeah. Do you use any of those plays that you drew up in your five through the wingt a lot of the wingt principles that we used in a lot of our 21 pony stuff with the two back and the gap schemes and Some of the GT stuff we did with the misdirection. Yeah, it was It was really a process from the wingt which is what I ran and what my dad ran back in the day So when you were playing because you played college ball was there a moment even when you're playing college ball you're like I know I'm not gonna be playing anymore but I'm

gonna be a coach was that like what when did that happen like my senior year I had a pretty my elbow was shot I was getting shot up every Wednesday to practice and Saturday to play and so knew that was falling off the cliff was falling off too many curveballs as a you know ten-year-old and it just wasn't going in that direction. I went and trained and Matt Nagy actually was training me at the time in Lancaster PA and I just knew it wasn't really gonna be in the future so had an opportunity to go to Brown really early on. Mark Whipple actually helped kind of get me that job and knew from a very young age I think that this is what I wanted to do if I couldn't play. Yeah

Yeah, I feel like Brown and and Holy Cross are two schools where like coaches know that's a great coaching school Yes, what makes a great coaching school man, Maine too I would say a lot of a lot of good coaches from that area like that Northeast you go with the Atlantic old Atlantic 10 Which became the CIA and in the Ivy League you just you can get Opportunities because well, you're paying nothing at a young age You can go in and you wear a lot of different hats. So I was like the video coordinator at twin 2010 I'm the video coordinator quarterbacks coach recruited like ten states and you get an opportunity to develop as a coach

But I know you I've met guys that have come into the NFL and not knowing how to make a copy Right, so you've got to be able to learn and give the ops Yeah, I think that that's what some of those kind of programs do they give you an op to really kind of dive into it Yeah, so at what point talk me through the shot your Sean McVeigh coaching tree There's his coaching tree is pretty insane There was a joke, you know that if you had a cup of coffee with Sean McVeigh, you're gonna be a head coach Yeah, so you you got the benefit of that But how did you get introduced to Sean McVeigh and like I would assume we know him, you know fairly well

But like impressing him to the point it feels like he's got a pretty discerning eye in terms of who he's bringing into his group Right. How were you able to like get into the Sean McVeigh like house? Yeah, so it was after the first year in 2017 Matt LaFleur ends up going to the Tennessee Titans to go call it Zach Taylor gets promoted from assistant receivers coach to quarterbacks. He doesn't name an offensive coordinator Couple guys were on that staff Shane Waldron was on that staff. Couple guys that I knew, I knew Zach a little bit when he was at Cincinnati. We had ended up, I was at Maine.

We played UConn, had a little bit of a familiarity there. So knew a couple guys in the building, but ultimately it was a blind op. Like it was a blind op. I mean, Shane, I knew a little bit, but it was a blind op. Those guys that I kind of were in the interview process Like it was a blind op. I mean, Shane, I knew a little bit, but it was a blind op. Those guys that I kind of were in the interview process against had connections to Sean.

I had no connection to him, came in. I was the offensive coordinator at Maine, and then a quick stop at Holy Cross that I didn't even get to coach at. Go in, interview for the assistant receivers job, and he's got me on the board doing, you know, protections. He was drawing up an Abbey front, which we talked about the split mug,

it's the Zimmer stuff with the double A gap mug stuff. And he's like, hey man, how are you picking up nickel mic pressure out of this look? And I'm up on the board like, wait, I'm interviewing for the assistant receivers job. Right. And you got me talking protections? Right.

And I had never seen that, that look. And he's like, I turned to him, I said, I don't know what this is. He's like, man, don't worry about it. It's new in the league. We're just trying to ask a bunch of people and figure it out. So it was an honest kind of opportunity.

And I felt like I ended up going and winning the job. When you go for that interview, do you have like one play in your back pocket where you're like, I'm gonna fucking knock his socks off with this one what is it it was a it was a play action concept with basically a max pro play action that I knew that they had run a few times with the Shawn Jackson when he was in Washington it was like a deep V cut pylon route we call it which is like an 18-yard stick your foot in the ground go to the back pylon and then he would use Reed on the sail concept

and be able to chase it with it with a Max Pro Play Pass. I drew that one up, we had used that at Maine. And then really on third down, we drew up my favorite drop back concept was what we call pressure drive, which is an old school West Coast concept that he had run for a long time. And, but the

detail right it was like detailing that play I think was cool to be able to talk through because you know when you get off the board and he's not really hitting you on a ton of different coaching points you feel like at least you nailed it right. Do you have an overall coaching philosophy? Yeah fast that is what we talked about fast you know fundamentally sound attacking situational masters and tough both mentally and physically. So yeah, that's where it starts. That's where it stems. I think that The mentally and physically tough part though is the one that we really want to talk about right we go into Tampa this past year They have the 32nd ranked run game in the NFL in the last two seasons and and we go and you know Bring it to number four this past season so

It was buy-in it was all about toughness physicality the way that we wanted to play the game our style of play I'm gonna do Mike Evans is digging out support on safeties. Hey, he doesn't have to do that Right, and so we got him to that point. There was immediate buy-in I think that that's where it all kind of stemmed from wait run through that acronym again fast. Okay. Yep fundamentally sound Already already not a great Ackerman if you have to use two words, but keep going fundamental. Okay attacking. Yeah situational masters again Is that one word or two it's two words situational phasms. Yeah Situational masters, howmt. Yeah. Alright so, situational masters.

How do I achieve situational mastery? Dude, there's a lot of tape that we can go back and watch. Yeah. I mean, we watch Super Bowls, two minute drives, four minute drives, clock management situations from, we try to show them the good and the bad, right? But from previous years, like Belichick had this book,

Coach Belichick had a book. We thought it was like the Bible that you have. And it's been kind of passed along through a lot of different people. And he's got specific games, situations, when things came up to where you can go back and look at. Those situations still come up to him. We have a situational book.

Do you really? Yeah, you wanna ask him about the book? Our book? Oh about the book yeah yeah we can ask him about the book what's the tea though tough okay so you kind of recovered at the end but you can't come on acronym can't have multiple words in each one like that's I mean it was pretty clean our situational. I forgot a already attacking Fundamental no, it's not fundamental. It's fundamental There's two words, right? What's F fast fat fast

Fundamentally sound attacking fundamentally sound attacking situational masters situational masters and tough. Okay D minus Ask bake I think he'll probably say it was pretty good Tough. Okay. D minus. So the fast. D minus. Pretty easy. But also the fast is also the bad. I think, ask Baker, I think he'll probably say it was pretty good. Listen, that was. I think those guys all bought him pretty quick. Wait, who? Baker?

The entire Tampa Bay office. Baker's a dog. Yeah. Baker's a dog. Wait, so let's do a situational. If you brought up Baker, I just wanted to see, do you feel bad making Baker have to meet another offensive coordinator? Bad?

I don't feel, you know, it's not bad. It's unfortunate in ways because of the competitor, because of the person that he is. You know, we got really close, obviously we worked together in LA for those last kind of like five or six weeks. He was paramount, you know, kind of in my evolution to coming to Tampa, like getting there. So yeah, you definitely feel you feel unfortunate for the situation because of the type of

Dude that he is But he's in a place where he's continuing to ascend like he's just doing this right now. He's got a ton of confidence He's at a place where a lot of people love him and believe in him And I think that's only going to continue did you ever ever text him back? Oh yeah, what do you mean? Cause he said that he was left on read. No, I didn't. Okay, all right, good, good, good. Cause we saw each other in person.

Okay, all right, so which situation? Well, I was thinking too, the book that we use for everybody is, it's pretty simple math. It's end of game situation. You want to ask the two point, one point. Okay, yeah, all right. So you score, so let's say there's five minutes left. You're down 14

You score a touchdown. Are you going for two or one? All right, that's smart smart Okay, you know what you're gonna deal with all right moving forward. All right. That's good. You know that here's another one hot shot you're it's fourth and goal on the eight and you're down eight and It's fourth and goal on the eight and you're down eight and You're going up against the greatest quarterback of all time Do you kick a field goal to go down five or do you go for it to try to score a touchdown and tie the game? Got to go for it. Yeah

Who's on the other side it's the it's actually the best quarterback in the history of the NFL. It's it's the Tampa Bay Bucks in the NFC championship game You're gonna have to use that up then you're down there You're gonna have to use that up you got kick three field goals Yeah, it's we're down there and and you're an opportunity to go score touchdown. You're that close Yeah, we all know how hard it is to score in the red zone in this league Yeah, so when you're down there, you gotta have your op. I think you gotta be aggressive there. I feel like over the last 10 years especially,

coaches have started to realize that it's smart. It's actually the correct thing to do to go four and fourth down more often. But is that a change that you noticed as you started coaching? Or the second you got into the coaching gig, it was like that was already the thought that was bubbling its way up to the end.

2018, Seattle, we're in Seattle. We're up one in Seattle, we're on like the minus 40. And we're playing Russell Wilson at the time, they were rolling. And we were in a back and forth game. They hadn't stopped us, we really hadn't stopped them. And we take a timeout, it's fourth and one, and Sean goes around the whole headsets.

What do we wanna do? Sneak it or punt it, obviously, give those guys the ball back again. Every single dude on the headsets said punt it. Everybody. He goes to Wade Phillips, he's like, man, we haven't stopped them once, go for it. And we went for it, sneaked it, won it game over.

Yeah. If we didn't, it was, it could have been catastrophic. They're going to go five yards basically to go, you know, kick the game, winning field goal, but it was like that aggressive mentality there, that believing in the guys and have an understanding of like, you haven't stopped them yet. Yeah. So that's not probably going to stop at that point. That may not change.

It may, but, um, play the odds. Yeah. Um, all right. So that's not probably going to stop. At that point, that may not change. It may, but play the odds. Yeah. All right, so enough of the niceties. Let's get to the real business here while you're here. Duval, let's just break it down, because we're actually the perfect people to fix what happened there. What was going through your head? I have a theory that it actually wasn't the way you said Duval.

It was your eyebrows. Is that right? You did two eyebrow raises, which is unheard of. I've never seen it before. That was the part where it went off the rails. Yeah, like it was going okay. And then you raise the other eyebrow, it's like, this guy's a freak.

Yeah. So what was going through your head? No, it was just a cadence, right? We all, I'm a quarterback by nature. I'm using my cadence. And hey, at the end of the day, you have to adapt to different cadences. That was my cadence at the time.

And now, hey, I'm going to learn from these guys and be able to do a better job next time. How does it work with the PR team when you finish the press conference and you walk off, you're like, I nailed that. And then someone's like, sir, the Duval thing is going viral. I just go back to Dan Campbell talking about biting kneecaps.

Yeah, that's what we actually made that point on your behalf. It's like, listen, you can judge on, our job is to judge on first impressions. That is our job. But there's, you know, if you just judge fully on first impressions, everyone thought Dan Campbell was a meathead

and like he'd never win. Yeah, I think kind of a message for ShotCon. And what we're trying to do is be bold and be different. And I've never, this past season in Tampa was my most truest authentic self for the first time. I wasn't trying to be Sean. I wasn't trying to be Kevin O'Connell. I wasn't trying to be Zach Taylor.

I was just being myself. And yeah, that was my cadence that day. Obviously wasn't too loved but I think these guys once we start winning games. Made an impression do you want to give another shot without the double eyebrow? I'm good. Come on just give us a Duval but just regular. Duval. There we go that's better. I think you're smart. How easy is that? I think you're smart to hold off on it wait until after your first win. And then maybe you hit the Duval, and you hit it with a wink,

too. Yeah, there you go. It's the eyebrow. Just keep the other eyebrow down. Keep it down. Like, the rock does the one eyebrow, and everyone loves it. There you go.

So we actually were having this conversation in Tampa two weeks ago. My son, three-year-old son, just did it. OK. I can do it. My dad does it. It's just kind of a thing. It's not probably the coolest thing, but it's a thing.

Yeah, the eyebrows work. Yeah, they do. I think we also, I don't know how much you know about the storied history of the Jacksonville Jaguars, but we have a couple of things that we'd just like to inform you about so that you know what you're getting into and you have to learn the history of where you're working.

Are you familiar with the kid that got his head stuck in the Jaguar statue? No. Oh my God. You need to familiar the history of where you're working. Are you familiar with the kid that got his head stuck in the Jaguar statue? No. Oh my God. You need to familiarize yourself with this. What do you mean? We've actually had him on the show. We interviewed him.

He was pumped up one day. He was, I think, eight years old at the time. There's a giant Jaguar statue outside the facility. He stuck his head in it. There was a little bit of blood. They called the fire department. I think they had to saw off one of the Jaguars teeth. And there was a theory that you, the Jaguars were cursed because of this.

What year was this? This was like in the late nineties, I want to say early two thousands, 95, 96 issues moving forward. Is that right? So we were in California last year and we were doing a bar event and this guy comes up to me and he's like, you don't know who I am, but I'm very important to you. I was like, what? And then he was like, I'm the kid who got my head stuck in the Jaguar statue.

So he, we had him on the show and we kind of closed the book. So you're welcome for that. I think he's fine now. Yeah. You guys are good. He's good. Do you know how familiar are you with Blake Bortles? Just his game.

I mean, LA we were together. Yeah. Did you reach out to him? Yeah, when you took a job you're like, hey just tapping in making sure, you know, I'm letting you know I'm in town now Blake absolute best. Yeah, he is the best We would he took us to golf at Calabasas when he was living out there He lives right around the corner from the camp from the golf course out there. We went and played a few times I mean, he's the boats this stud. He was a free idea for you. I know that he's welcome in the Jaguars family,

but maybe ex-communicate him, so then you can bring him back and everyone's like, holy shit, he did it. He brought the boat back. He brought the boat, man. It would, and Blake would do the- It would. He probably would've been find out he was ex-communicated.

Yeah, he's all in on that. And then you're just like, you're back. He actually gave us my realtor. Oh, really? Oh yeah, yeah. I mean, he's the best. Yeah, maybe he'd do Blake Bortles' Knight. And then any fan that shaves Blake Bortles' haircut into their head, they get free tickets to the game.

I mean, Blake Bortles lookalike contest, my bedroom. He gave me a completely different perspective on the quarterback position when he came to LA. You know, I mean, Jared was still growing and still just that kind of little, the mentality, the little bit of the, hey, screw it. He's gonna go let it rip and go play. This is who I am. This is how I play.

He's like, dude, I'm like Chuck Knobloch. Yeah. Like my throat, like he would kill himself. Yeah. He was like so self-deprecating. Yeah. But it was good. It was in a good way.

That's actually a good word in our profession. Yeah. Have you had a chance to sit down with Trevor Lawrence? Yeah. Yeah, so what was that? I assume that you had probably met him before but as coach what was that first? Yeah read about like hey, I'm gonna unlock you Yeah, I watched him play as actually a freshman in high school. Like it was random I was there recruiting a different player on his team He was in a playoff game against Beaufort High School in Georgia and he went and let it like ripped it. He was getting smashed in the face just kept getting up making plays. And so when I got got with him, you know, a couple weeks ago, it's just you felt a dude that just wants to go take it to the next level. Like he he's mentally and physically tough. He's been able to go through a

lot of stuff. And he's been through a ton of change. And all he wants to do is be great. Like he really does. He just wants to go be coached, go pour into this thing. And I think he's been through a ton of change and all he wants to do is be great like he really does He just wants to go be coached go pour into this thing and I think he's primed to go do that Yeah, he's going through a ton of like ton of change right now Yeah had the injuries a new father new coaching staff for the third time now, right? Yeah Ton of humility, but like he's got a feeling where he's like man. I need to Kind of play to my potential potential I haven't reached it yet and that's cool to see yeah also in Jacksonville history you familiar with the pool mmm the pool in the stadium yeah very important yeah you have a swimming pool in your stadium that

might you might be the only NFL team who's right there play there in to Clemson we played Clemson Kentucky in the bowl game. I didn't see this thing. Yeah, seriously We swimming it with Doug Marone to clean. Yeah Jeans, yeah, you went full-cloth. Well, just jeans Just football in here I feel like maybe you should ban the pool until you guys have a winning record Yeah, maybe have it like a little carrot, you know, no one's the pool. Yeah, and then when people get the pool It's like look we did it up the pool. Yeah Like a family. Yeah, I got you like that. Listen, the pool is great. We love the pool

Yeah, if things are going bad, the pool gets mocked could be a little bit You know the Jags are down 20 and then there's like four dudes standing in the pool And you're like oh man. This is sad. I can see that yeah, yeah Maybe you only only on only when the Jags are up or how about this? How about you you know that die that you grow appearing about that's in a pool where if you pee yeah I don't think that exists, but a phenomenal idea Yeah, you put that in the pool until you start winning and then you take the guy out. Start to shame people.

Yeah, you can shame people for peeing in it. Yeah, OK. I respect that. I got a question about your time in LA that I still don't understand. What does it mean when you're the non-play calling OC? Do you just sit there the whole time being like, man, I wish I could call it play?

No, it's more that you're in a support role. OK. Like, obviously, he's got a ton of responsibilities with offense, defense, special teams, personnel, a lot of stuff. So you're really the rhythm of the week. You're trying to help create the clean rhythm, right? Make sure everybody's staying on task, getting their stuff done, getting the scripts done, defensive scripts, cards. You're essentially organizing throughout the entire week and then as he gets caught up and gets into the more the roots of the game plan, you're essentially organizing throughout the entire week. And then as he gets caught up and gets into the more of the roots of the game plan, then

he can start to dive into like how he wants to attack, how does he want to call the game. So is it, is it difficult? Yeah, I probably underestimated that going from calling plays in Kentucky to going to that role in LA after they won a Superbowl. Probably underestimated that for me. But you know what you're getting into. You know that you're gonna go support a dude that's a complete stud and does things the right way, treats people the right way, and is super infectious. So like that's what you're going to be a part of and you kind of know what you're getting into. Yeah, would you ever get in trouble for I don't know calling too many shots or something when you're an offensive coordinator and

you're in practice going up against the defense and the head coach has to like dial you back and say, Hey, we're both trying to learn here. Yeah. Well, practice for both sides. No, we've, we've kind of had those, some of those conversations this past year in Tampa when we're trying to get the run game going, right? Todd. So multiple coach bowls is so multiple on defense where you're saying, Hey, Todd, we might have to have a couple periods where we're just static here Where we can just go block people that are staying put Yeah

So we can get good at blocking the double and a B and a single and a deuce If we don't get those blocks in practice How are we supposed to get good at them in the game and the guys that can really adapt and see it from both lenses? Those are the probably, you know, usually the most successful ones. yeah is Todd Bowles addicted to blitzing dude it's it was like I felt like it was just a barrage yeah in training camp but you don't know where it's coming from yeah you really don't he's so multiple that way I've never seen somebody in the second half of games adjust in ten minutes and we all know what halftime adjustments got.

Like you're getting the stuff you hadn't called in the first half or things that are working. How do you now dress it up to go do it differently? Todd Bowles had an ability in second half of games to take what they were doing and almost be like, we're gonna do this and completely shut people down. I had never really seen that before. He ran the entire show. It was pretty cool to see.

Yeah, what do you say to the haters that say Mike Evans getting that thousand yards was cheap? Dude, I know the That was one of the coolest moments I've ever been a part of. I think at the time I liked it for Mike Evans a lot. I give him all the credit in the world. I didn't like it from the Saints Because it was like you're supposed to hate the B in the world. I didn't like it from the Saints because it was like you're supposed to hate the Bucs. Right.

Why are you letting them do this? They weren't letting it happen. That was it. They didn't let it happen. You don't think so? Not at all. So what happened on that play? We got him open and he made a play. Okay. Like that. That's confidence.

Dude. You sure? We ran the same exact play in the red zone, the prior play when Bucke, Baker flips it to Bucke. We had had that play called, but Baker checked out of it because he thought he was getting zero blitz. So he checked out of that exact play. We ran something else. It wasn't open.

Mike wasn't open. He ends up scrambling, flipping it to Bucky. Bucky just kind of innately gets in the end zone and everybody's like, oh my God. What do we just do? We just ruined this for him. And so when we got the ball back, we went back to that same play that we wanted to call down there and obviously didn't check

out a bit. They weren't letting that happen. You don't think it was not at all. As their coaches, I've talked to their coaches, there was no shot they were letting that happen. Well, then I will retract my my take on the same was the coolest moment was never anti bucks because Mike Evans is a stud and he's been a stud and he gets to the reaction of those players. Man, it was awesome. It was the coolest moment never anti bucks cuz Mike Evans is a stud and he's been a stud and he gets to the reaction Of those players man. It was awesome. It was the coolest moment of the year hands down Do you want to say anything to people who may be drafted Rashad white too early in the fantasy draft?

Then you were like no Bucky Irving's just gonna get all that I gained such a different respect for Rashad after after this year When you go through it and see what he brings from a pass protection standpoint there's probably not a lot of backs in the NFL better than him and that goes so unnoticed and he can still do it in terms of making people miss in the screen game. No, Bucky's just a dog. Like that dude is in the building at 5 a.m. every single day hanging out with Tom Moore. 87 year old Tom Moore and Bucky Irving, one of the youngest players on our roster, hung out every single morning.

Yeah. Like dudes are stud. All right, we're gonna do something very awkward. Just so you know, we have your side. Yes. We're defending you. The weirdest guy we got in our company is Die Hard Bucks fan, Steven Che over there.

His blog was posted, new Jaguars head coach Liam Cohn is the biggest snake in football today Brutal now brutal. I I told Steven he can ask you a question. Yeah, but he has to do something first. Okay, Steven No, you have to say the thing I said first he also called you a Ladder climber, which I think that's every coach ever It's trying to get a new job. It's not get job. Sounds like you wanted to be a head coach one day. Yeah, and we defended you because it's like,

yeah, if someone offers you this and then the other offers that, to change your life and your family's life. Steven, what would you like to say first about yourself? About myself? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I have a lot of questions. No, but you can't ask Coach Cohn a question until you admit to something. Sure. lot of questions. No but you you and you can't ask coach Cohn a question until

you admit to something. Sure I mean my feelings were hurt when you left. We had this long debate in our gambling cave in our office and the whole time I was like dude your feelings are hurt he's like no they're not I was like yes they are and you were your feelings were hurt. Yeah I mean I have a lot of questions for you. Number one, how dare you? Yeah. I mean, it was a rough, we come off the, and you were a hot name in the head coaching circles and you were asked about it, I think towards the end of the regular, I'll see your press conference every week. Very great, very informative. And I was a card carrying member, I was a cone head. Yeah. For sure.

That's cool, man. I appreciate that. I love what you did with the backfield, the run game, the 21 ponies stuff, like integrating Rashad is the best pass blocking running back in the game. Yes. And then Bucky was great. But then yeah, that week, you know,

we get a very salty loss to PFT's commanders at home, which in my mind, we win that game. I think we're gonna beat the Eagles. Yeah, we played really well against them the first time too. So that was frustrating. Do you have a question for him? Yeah, is there a question? You're just talking about your feelings?

No, I appreciate it. I appreciate what he's saying. But yeah, I mean, if you could go back in time, how does that week change? Because you interview there Monday, and then Tuesday. I interviewed on Zoom Wednesday. Okay.

And I never got in person. Okay. Never was able to kind of get in person until after I end up going there. Yes, after that. Yes. But ultimately, it came down to new information. New information became available. That's called money. Nah. And like when you're going to buy a house and you figure out like, it's either not as good or better than you thought. And some of the people that ultimately have kind of helped

me throughout this journey, you said like, at the end of the day, you're allowed to change your mind. Yeah. And that's like kind of life. That's, we said that at the time. It was the most gut wrenching week of my life. It was, that's genuine. Like some, you sound like a lot of my my

boys that lived in my neighborhood that are we're die-hard fans like they were pissed at me yeah like they were pissed but they're cool now we're good and you know at the end of the day with with the guys the boys and they're FaceTime me from the Bahamas all excited and I just go hug Todd Bowles and those guys like it's all good. Yeah, it's all good Feelings like we all Do you know that you're about to receive like a real big dish of revenge though preseason week Yeah, I mean we're gonna look your ass and Season week what it's not out yet. Okay

Yeah, I got you Hope that's not week two because Todd Bulls is coming. Yeah, we gotta put a countdown clock in the office for you. Rivalry trophy. Three season game. At the end of the day, it's entertainment, right? I mean, as much as it is, I grew up a Patriots fan. Die hard, die hard. So I get it, man, I understand. So since you grew up a Patriots fan,

was Miles Jack down in the AFC Championship game? Jack wars pats? Dude. Yeah. You think he was down? I watched that game live boat was I mean he was dealing they were running the ball really well Noted he he is that shouldn't have been called down. I'm all Jack. I'm going Jack There's loyalties now, yeah, all right, I know you got a run so rollback question rh ob a ck.com Yeah. All right, I know you got to run.

So rollback question, r-h-o-b-a-c-k.com, promo code take, 20% off your first purchase, Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rollback.com, promo code take. Last question, Stephen, do you have one final question? I do. So, I mean. Again, the best thing that happened

was he got his feelings so hurt that we had to go the total opposite side and defend you to the death. I appreciate that man. Like his, cause he's so annoying. Yeah. That we're like, this is such a bad opinion, we're just going to go the other way. So he actually helped you out.

Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate that man. Well, fandom is weak of and you know. Yeah. Yeah. But, Chay, before we, I have a question for you. Would you rather have your job or would you have a better job and ten million dollars?

I don't think there is a better job than this job. What about if the Bucs wanted to hire you? I, I don't know. Hey coach, liar. No, if the Bucs wanted to hire me. If the Bucs offered you ten million dollars tomorrow. I would be hurting the team. Okay. That's fair.

You know what, that's an honest opinion. That's a good answer. That's a really good answer, dude. That was a great deflection. Okay, okay. That was a phenomenal deflection. That was a phenomenal deflection. So I'm representing the Bucs community here. I'm not going to go, you know, what happened has happened.

But talk to the Bucs fans about Grizz, Josh Grizzard, the new OC who was in control of Overseal. I've known Grizz for a while, man. Like met him here. I met him here, I don't know five six years ago He's he's like he's a Yale dude, but he's a bro I mean, he's a guy that he connects with so many different dudes like he can connect. He's smart He's so smart. He dialed up all of our third downs. He did so much of the red zone all the past game He can see it from an all-eleven perspective both in the run in the pass He's gonna be a really good force. He will for you guys. He will I promise you that and I do have one Jags question

If I could yeah James Gladstone. Yeah GM. Mm-hmm. He's 34. Yeah That's very you're 39. Yeah, you guys changing the game. How was was Theo Epstein when he took in a Red Sox job? He was pretty young. 28. Doesn't matter. Sean McVeigh won a Super Bowl when he was pretty young. Doesn't matter.

No, what's cool is he grew up on the sidelines. His dad was a coach. He grew up on sidelines in the locker rooms. So we share that vision, right? And I think that's kind of what's cool about it is we're coaches' kids. We have a chip on our shoulder. We want to prove it. we want to go do it and it we've learned from pretty darn good people

And now it's an opportunity to go do it. Yeah, love it. Well, thank you. So yeah, good job Jay Hopefully we can close this book. Yes. Yes. All right Preseason still back on we like the shoes. Yeah Preseason still back on we like the shoes. Yes Yeah, so thank you coach for joining us just so you know, you legally just got at least ten weeks of losing football We'll still defend you that's an Nathaniel Hackett rule that we have implemented. So that doesn't happen Yeah, hopefully you just hit the ground running If you forget how to use timeouts on Monday football week one, we'll say We'll just pretend it didn't happen We gotta give this guy time

Come on the show, we'll give you a little grace period So but hopefully you hit the ground running And hopefully you kick the fucking shit out of the box in the preseason Oh man, that'd be great We're gonna run it up on you I'm gonna game of the year that for sure Seriously, we're gonna do a watch party for that You think Bates is gonna like point at me?

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the part of my take guarantee on it you will not be disappointed have a Reese's and now here is American hero Brady Kachak and now for something completely different okay we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest. It is Captain America. Can I call you Captain America? Sure. Okay. It's Captain America. It's Brady Kachuk from the Ottawa senators. Uh, yeah, you're Captain America now. I think it's official. I think you have to be Captain America. Is that okay? I'll take it, but I would love to know the reasoning. Well, I mean, you fight, you score goals, you, you, you put the team on your back for four nations. Let, let me start with this. How weird was it playing for team

USA and then immediately going back to Ottawa and being like all these people in this arena hated my guts for the last two weeks. And now they're back to being fans of me. It was weird. It was just a whole, I'm like, I just got booed in Montreal, which is expected. And then in Boston, like all like, they don't like Matthew and I in Boston. And then to get cheered on and supported there, I was like, okay, this is pretty awesome. Then come back, actually missed the first two games in Ottawa, but I just would see

Twitter. I'm like, it's so, everybody would be like, it's so weird cheering against them. But yeah, I have to. Yeah, for Canada. And but now it's nice to get them back on my side. Are they still booing the national anthem? They are. Yeah. What the fuck? Well, I think you should just remind them like it was you're an all star finalist. It was the All Star Game. Yeah, it was an all star. So we said the second that we lost, we were just like,

Oh, we don't care about the yeah, yeah. exhibition exhibition you agree right like that was just the all-star break Yeah, I don't know if I That tournament a lot it is weird though because yeah, you mentioned it But you and Austin Matthews especially like you go to Boston and now all of a sudden that Boston crowd is cheering for you Was that a little bit surreal to be in that arena and feel, I mean, obviously you played in Boston before, but to have them like support guys that they normally just boo the shit out of, was that kind of strange? Yeah, it was really strange. Honestly, it put a smile on my face. I was trying to hide it, but when they're announcing the lineup for the final and I just heard the crowd,

I was like, I felt really like patriotic and like, like representing the U S and, and, uh, it was a pretty, pretty cool feeling that I was trying to be all serious, but it put a smile on my face. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. I mean the Olympics next year are going to be incredible. You got to be juiced up for that just off of this four nations. I can't wait. It's going to be, I think it was the perfect thing to set up for the Olympics and, and gaining all these hockey fans and I know they're gonna do job

Do a good job of building it up and hyping it up, but I really do Know feel good about our team to going into it. Yeah, you got a little mark on your face that from Tom Wilson Now why was Tom Wilson? Yeah, I got a fight. You gotta fight and score the goal. Yeah respect like that was a good fight good scrap against Tom He's a he's a big dude We like we like to ask all the NHL players that come on the show, like what do you say to another guy when you're about to, how do you instigate the fight? Last night, I don't even think I got a word out. I was just more like a head nod and I just like, it was like one of those like connections.

I don't know. It's hard to explain like not many words like needed to be said. It was just like we both knew it was happening. Yeah, but like usually it's like you want one and it's like like that's like or when you're really pissed off You just you just grab them. Yeah, we're going like yeah, like not even give them an option, but it was weird last night I don't even think a word was said. It's just like alright, we're gone. I love that It's almost like a romance for hot guys. You just look each other in the eye. You know, it's on Time to lean into this yet. I noticed that you It's almost like a romance for hot guys You just look each other in the eye. You know, it's on Time to lean into this yet. I noticed that you had a nice little takedown at the end That's a good strategy to have like if you're in a fight It's been going for a while train some heavy blows just try to land on top of the other guy

And then it's almost like you want to fight. Yeah. Oh for no, this is usually no the non hockey fans That that see that day. Oh, he won just because he finished on top But yeah, I know he hit me with some good ones and no he's he's he's a big boy Did you wake up feeling it this morning? I love you had to fly like lately. Yeah. Yeah. I yeah I'm a little sordid a but good that we have a day off. Yeah Did you ever turn down fights? Are you or people always like because I would imagine there's some fights where you're like I can't like I'm gonna beat this guy up or if he gets like a lucky one I'm gonna look like a loser like why would I fight this guy? Yeah, I think

now I used to like know if somebody say something like it would be automatic just because I wanted to prove myself and all this but now I Like wanna like go out there and help the team. Yeah, and I'm at a point now where I need to be out there and help the team. But last night we're down two, nothing and try to create a spark for our team going into the second period. So things like that, and especially, you know, Tom, a guy who's, I don't think they win 2018 if it's not for him. So he's an unbelievable player. You guys are kind of similar in that you're both very, very skilled hockey players, but also very capable of handling yourselves in a fight. That feels like a new type of player

whereas back in the day, it was mostly like you had you have a goon. And his job is go out there like you're Paul Bissonnets. Yeah, you're gonna step on the ice and you're gonna fight somebody then you're gonna go waddle to the building box. Nice nice day at the office. But now it's like guys like you and Tom Wilson are so valuable. but now that you're going into the playoff stretch where you have to be around, you have to like designate somebody else be like, I want to fight

this guy, but I can't. Can you do that for me? Yeah, well, I try not to, you know, do that, especially do a teammate, like, hey, like, you're gonna have to fight this guy. If it happens that it's gotta be me, it's it's I'm fine with it. And I'm not too worried about it, but, uh, what fight fights don't happen as often anymore. Yeah. It's, it's just kind of, uh, going away, but I think it is still important to

almost keep everything in check and have that accountability and responsibility that can't just go after the best players and not, you know, have to answer the bell. So I'm glad that hockey is still important, but just doesn't happen as often as it used to with, you know, with business, you just go in toe to toe with guys every single game. So that just doesn't happen anymore. You did say something there though, like firing up the boys. I do think that like one thing that's happened in all of sports is analytics has kind of taken over numbers and the human element is no longer there as much. I love like a good old fashioned meatball take where it's like, Oh, the,

the coach has to get kicked out or a guy has to fight. Can you feel the momentum after a good fight being like everyone kind of wakes up a little bit? I know for me, even I know for example, when Matthew fought first, I've never felt like more fired up in my life that like, I was like, no matter what I'm going, I have to, because like I got it, like I can't have this pent up like, just like aggression and like, I'm like, I gotta, I gotta get this out somehow because I was so fired up. But yeah, no, I feel and fights like when it's somebody else, it's just like, it

gets me so fired up. I'm like, all right, here we go. Yeah. This is this. That's exactly what we needed. Is it a little weird that you can beat up your big brother? Uh, well, all the, all the abuse I took as a kid. Yeah. I'm like, cause you were telling me before off camera that you could beat the fuck out of them. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I'll say, and he'll see it and be like, yeah, he can. Oh, so he knows yeah. I'll say he'll see it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, so he knows. Yeah. He knows. Yeah. Yeah. But he, he just so good at chirping that like he, he can definitely get under my skin. That's where he's he's got me. And I'll never catch up. Yeah. Yeah. You know, what else gets

the boys fired up? Free Bird? Have you grown to love that song? I still listen to it. I'm like, oh, just it just brings me back to like how awesome it was. and even when we were like after we Listen to dream on yeah This is like the end of miracle and we've just wanted to implement it and yeah Like that still fires me up and just like I mean, it was such a special awesome experience that No, I miss it. I miss playing know what those guys is so cool, but it definitely sets up for next year Yes. Yeah, the the four nations was it was awesome. I think it's sets up for next year. It does, yeah.

The Four Nations was awesome. I think it's gonna generate a lot of interest in hockey, especially as the playoffs get closer in the NHL. I feel like the ratings should be up across the board for that. And now you're like, are you the face of hockey? I don't think so. Not in America?

I mean, there's just so many guys like that. I mean, I don't know. I don't think so. I think there's so many good players that no represent our league so well. Yeah. Yeah. What, uh, tell me last year. So obviously your brother wins the Stanley cup, but before that happens, your dad

called out the entire Panthers team and basically called them all pussies. What was the group chat like with your dad and your brother after that? Like, cause you, he even said, he was like, I'd rather watch Brady and the senators. They actually like play with grit and they're real men and the Panthers are soft. Did that make you feel good? Would you like, what was the conversation after that?

I actually love how you brought that up cause he's considering himself to be GM of the year when that happened. And he won them the cup. That's them the cup. I just changed his team all around. Yeah, he did. But did you guys joke about it afterwards? It was after we played them and we won. And I think he was fired up. Matthew was fired up. But Matthew didn't know about it. And I think the next morning, I think I just saw like a really dad like you just put me in a terrible spot.

There's no guys in the meal room is like, is he talking about me? Yeah, he's just like, that's good old fashioned hitting the brothers against each other. Oh yeah. Yeah. One's tough. One's not. But I was like, I was loving it. I was like, I was, that was hilarious.

He just keeps that. He's like, I might give it to your team. Yeah, I know that. I guarantee he's a cup final and then a cup, like go ahead and do it. That's the problem with it is you know that someday he's going to try to do, he's going to play that again against you. Oh yeah. And then he's going to hopefully win GM of the year again, according to himself.

If he calls it, you got to fight him. You ever fought your dad? No, no, I have not. I was, I think he'd be too tough, too tough to handle with if we put the boxing gloves on old man. Yeah, yeah. He'd throw and he's got some powerful ones. So coming from a hockey family and your hockey family, your hockey tree extends like all across the NHL with all the guys that that you're related to

in various ways. But from that hockey family, were you told very early on the importance of the unwritten rules of hockey? I don't know if we the unwritten rules. I remember you enforced one last year. Empty netter. Oh, yeah. The empty netter after after the the clock expired. I think it was like two seconds afterwards. They dumped it in and you were the first guy to be like, Hey, fuck you. You don't do that.

Yeah. It's actually, yeah. Cause obviously we've lost and the siren went off, but I don't think he heard it cause the rink was buzzing. And I was like, Oh, perfect. Like this is going to be like, I saw him put it on my arm going up and we'll see if like a line brawl happens or something like that. I don't know. It's something to get everybody excited about. But with saying that earlier that year, a teammate of mine, I don't know if you saw this with the slap shot in the empty net. So it was kind of like, I got the opposite of it because I loved what he did, the slap shot and unwritten rule. I'm like, oh, when it's on my side, that's great. Do it anytime. But when it's against us, I'm like, yeah,

I'm going to get that. Yeah. Yeah. So when you were growing up, was it always, you were going to be in the NHL? That was the, the one thing that you knew it was. Yeah, it was always hockey. I mean, I played other sports, loved playing other sports, but at the end of the day, it was, it was always hockey. And honestly, I never thought the NHL was like could be a reality until I was 16, 17, where I was playing in Ann Arbor at the US national team for the U17, U18 year. And that's when more teams are coming around, scouting, and guys are getting drafted before

you. And you're like, okay, in comparison, where do I need to get drafted? I want to go as high as possible. So started thinking about that when I got there and, and, uh, then it kind of became a reality when I was, you know, 17 and kind of go to college and then get drafted from college. Yeah. Was there, there was never a moment, even when you were like, you know, 12 or 13, we're like rebellious, like I'm not playing in the NHL dad, like, don't make me do this. I think I gave, I think he would just shred me after one games. Like, all right,

I'm done playing hockey. I don't want to like, no, you're a Kachuk. That's what we do. And then he just, and then my mom would be like, no, it's okay, sweetie. You play great. Your dad's tough on you because he expects a lot out of you. So, and that she'd always calm us down. Like I would be playing roller hockey next. So it was never really a hockey was, it was never going to be quit on. Yeah. You were never going to be like, I kind of like to be an accountant. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? I just want to go to the business. Who's the funniest guy on your team? Thomas Shabot. Okay. He's just nonstop. Cause I feel like every hockey locker room has like one of those guys

Who's just a total like electric personality and a glue guy is that who is that? He's never had a bad day in his life. He is such a Positive just and everybody he it's everybody's getting it. Like he's not just picking a couple guys It's he sees somebody and somebody's getting it. So yeah and Barstow will hire him in a couple. Yeah He's the biggest fan of you. Yeah. Yeah, so fired up. It's he sees somebody and somebody's getting it. So yeah. And Barstow will hire him in a couple of years. Yeah. He's the biggest fan of you guys. So fired up. It's perfect. Yeah. Hockey guys for some, I mean, it's, I don't know what it is, but I, I feel like I've never met a hockey guy who wasn't like funny in, in some way, you know what I mean? Whether it be dry humor or like outwardly funny,

there's just, it feels like a hockey locker room is unlike any other sport. It's, it's the best part of the day. Yeah just go in there and just shooting the shit and just hanging out I mean, there's just nothing better. All right, she got to come on the show. They love the boys more than anything. Yeah Oh, yeah Always for the boys always for the boys the dinners the the nights out just they're Hilarious and they walk into a room and they'll see one guy and they'll be like, what's up boys? What's up? Everybody's boys. Yeah boys beauty. Yeah Legend is the is the Vegas flu real? Have you been hit by the Vegas flu at any point?

This actually came up the other day My dad I feel like we're bringing him up a lot Went to his analytic guys because he works scout in San Luis. He's like just do me a favor Can you look up Brady and Matthew stats when they play Vegas in their own cities versus them in Vegas? It's not like we're going out and doing all this crazy stuff Like we're just just hanging and showing our stats in Vegas are absolutely awful Played there. I would love to see like 18 games, I think like, like combined. Like I've, we both have like two goals and like one of six, but like at home, like it's,

it's a different story, but that should be illegal that your dad's using the analytics department of the blues. There's no way. I think it was just a family thing. I don't want him getting any trouble, but no, he that's the, that's some of the stuff that he was like, you know what? I've thought about it. You guys have played like shit in Vegas.

I got to see some stats. Yeah. Wait, so did he send you all the stats? Oh, he sent to the math and I group chat. Just like, it was like a log chat of just like the caps in Vegas and back home. Oh, that's incredible. That's awesome. You've got, you got cameras following you around now, right?

Yeah, not every day. They come, I think they've came twice for the Amazon series. Oh, nice. So it's been really cool. It's new. But I mean, I grew up watching the 24-7s and seeing that and how cool that was. But it'll be cool to see them this ride and into playoffs. Yeah. Are you able to say, was, but that would be cool to see them, you know, this ride and into playoffs. Yeah, are you able to say like cut that?

Because we have cameras here all the time. And it's just, at some points it's like, dude, I need a second without a camera in my face. Yeah. Well, they came I think in January four days and then I saw them twice over four days. So like that's all we've filmed so far. So I'm hoping as this kind

of playoff race picks up that it'll catch more of that and yeah and into playoffs yeah there's gonna be some good footage so you you recently became a father was it like nine months ago six months ago he's five and a half oh yeah he's on my birthday oh fuck way off five and a half all right so is he good at hockey yet we're trying to please when did he first get on skates? No, this is five half month five and a half months Yeah, I was like holy shit did I fuck that off I have months five and a half months All right. Yeah, we've tried putting a hockey stick. Yeah, so wait, when does that happen?

When is the first like what actual age is like? All right. it's time for you to do the family business get on the ice. Who? I mean, we started skating at two, so we already have his hockey skates. It was a it was a gift that somebody gave us. He's like, here's this here's the skates when he's ready. But we got that all dialed in. So we'll have to see. Hopefully, too. I love that. Is that when you started? Yeah.

I think Matt and I both started skating at two respectively. So I don't know. That'd be nice. That's such a crazy thing because like you can barely walk when you're Oh, yeah, just just holding them along. Yeah, that happy to do that. Well, because I bought my son skates. He's he's five and a half years old. And I'm I like bottom skates. I was like, I already missed like he's already there's no I mean, not that he was ever gonna go to the NHL. But like he's already way behind. He's not playing hockey was ever gonna go the NHL but like he's already way behind he's not playing hockey like it's way too late late five and a half years old a lot of guys have started skating later it's just like and they end up in the NHL okay

yeah I don't think that I don't my son's not going to NHL no offense how are we feeling about the team this year I'm very confident our team I think just we're a tough team to handle for seven game series. So we just got to get there. But no, I think all stars are kind of aligning for this year and just find a way to get in. And I think we can do some damage. This late this season, is this the grind? Obviously you would get a nice little energy boost for the playoffs.

But right now I feel like this is the time of year where everyone's banged up. It's been long. You barely got a break at all. Is this like a part of the year where you just like kind of just going day to day? Got it. Got to get through this. It's definitely I think it's more of a mental grind now. I think November to two four nation break was like the physical grind of just like every day, just grinding away and kind of setting yourself up for this time of the year. But I think it's mentally just, I think you can look at it. It's a little stressful this time of the year and I think it's

okay to be a little nervous and have the nerves. I think it's a good thing. But I think it's, you know, playoffs for us kind of started a couple of games ago where every game's almost a must win and just to get ourselves to April that no, we need to just kind of stick around. Every team around us is doing well, just stick around and hopefully can rattle off a couple of game win streak and put ourselves in a good spot. But no, it's a fun type of year. And like I said, like this is my first experience at like in this

playoff race kind of feeling. And it's been the best feeling to just grind it out every single day. Yeah. Playoffs already started. That's a good, that's a good trick. Have you thought about what it would be like if you brought the Stanley cup back to Canada? I think about all the time.

Yeah. It's maybe think about it too much, but, uh, and I feel like I have my whole day planned when we win. Yeah. It'd be think about it too much, but, uh, and I feel like I have my whole day planned when we win. Yeah. It'd be captain Canada at that point. Which did you celebrate with your brother when he had his day with the cup? I, yes, I was, I went back to St. Louis for his day. Um, he actually had it for a day and a half and it was really awesome to see what we were able to do with it. And, uh, I was there the night they won.

Yeah, I was kind of around it and just to see the, the happiness that it brought. It was motivation. Oh, did you touch the cup? No. All right. No. Good.

Yeah. Did he try to trick you into touching it? No, he was, he was, you know what he was, I didn't expect it. He was very respectful and just, I thought he'd for sure just be rubbing it in my face, but he actually was, was very nice about it. Oh, yeah. That's good. I definitely would have tried to trick you into touching it. Oh, 100%. Yeah. I be rubbing it in my face, but he actually was very nice about it. Oh, that's good.

I definitely would have tried to trick you into touching it. Oh, 100%. Yeah, 100%. I would have put it in your bed. Yeah. I would have given you some Ambien and then put it in your bed next to you. Taking pictures of you, yeah.

Look at him touching the cup. I got a bone to pick with you. You said that you were watching Miracle before some of the games. I feel like USA Hockey, we're not the underdogs like that anymore. You gotta start watching like dream team 92 stuff and like have the perspective change of like,

we're not the plucky underdogs. We're team USA, we can win this thing. Yeah, no, you're right. I think it was more the patriotic feeling. Okay, okay. Like, all right, we're like, like Mike Rusciani came and talked to us right before the tournament started and just like

to watch him, Rob McClannahan, because those two guys came to our dinner and then we were hearing stories of Mike after the fact and how basically he left his hockey bag in Lake Placid and never played again and just to hear that he went from gold medal to know what he's doing now and just an amazing life that he's given him and his family. But we've just had to watch it, get that childhood. All right, maybe for Olympics, we do Armageddon or a Rocky movie. Would love.

That would be good. Get you pumped up that way. Yeah, Rocky would be solid. Yeah. Yeah, I like tricking yourself into thinking that you're underdogs though. That works a lot. Like the Patriots did that for years.

Rebellicheks, nobody believes you. Nick Sab lot, like the Patriots did that for years. Rebellichucks, like nobody believes you. Nick Saban does that, or he did that at Alabama. He's like, nobody thinks you can win. It's like, well, you have the number one recruitment class. Everyone can win. Everyone, football. Yeah, everyone. Yeah, just make it, put that chip on your shoulder.

Oh yeah. And get it. Not specifically for Vegas, but is there any other place that you play that's just harder to score goals in? Like in college basketball. Some places are way harder to score scoring. Does that carry over to hockey at all?

Oh yeah. Um, it's a spot that I haven't scored is Chicago. Oh, right here. Okay. So maybe tonight. Yeah. Tomorrow. Yeah. Well, tonight when people are listening to this, yeah. No. Uh, so we'll see. I haven't, I haven't scored here and this is a tough building to score. And so what about, uh, the ice in, uh, what, what rink has the worst ice also Calgary's ice. I feel like it's so shiny. Is that, yeah, it's, they have like three teams skate on it. So their ice actually takes it. It takes a good beating. I mean, all those warm places like they're,

it gets soupy. Yeah. Just like snowy, quick and soft. I never really realized it, but guys always tell me that. I'm just extra slow today. Oh, I'm dragging a piano behind me all game today, but probably like Tampa, like probably just, it's hard to keep the ice all dialed in when it's so beautiful and so warm there. Sam, bony drivers in Canada are probably better. Oh yeah.

They've probably been driving those things since they were kids. Yeah. When they're not doing it, they're doing it to the outdoor rinks. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Bony drivers in Canada are probably better. Oh, yeah. They've probably been driving those things since they were kids. Oh yeah. When they're not doing it, they're doing it to the outdoor ranks. Yeah. Yeah. We, we have a debate with wit. Um, and he loses debate every time we do it,

but, uh, have you ever thought about not coming off the ice? If you're so good, just staying on the ice, playing the whole game. Like Patrick Mahomes never takes off a snap. I couldn't do it cardio wise. I'd okay even 30 seconds I'm tipping on my yeah I can't be doing that what's it was so 30 seconds is when you're like oh yeah on a good day 30 seconds hard I'm like all right I'm done I gotta get off but

what when you have a like what's the longest shift do you remember the longest she had like a three and a half minute shift one time and how much did that fuck you off for a while? Yeah, I After the game I was exhausted. It was like the extra we had I was the sixth man and I just Refused to get off because I thought I was like, alright, I'm gonna be the hero tonight did not happen And it was a little too long of a shift that I got into some trouble the next day Yeah, wick gets mad at us whenever we do that debate. I wouldn't I wouldn't step off the ice.

Yeah, I would never come off. I care that much about the game. Yeah, like to have to run plays 44 minutes. Travis Hunter plays 110 snaps a game. Yeah, which is very impressive. Right. That's very impressive. Yeah. Heisman. You just I just don't think you could play like a full game like with the speed that it's at. LeBron probably could. Yeah.

And he gained weight while he did it. What if you did what overtime should just be no shift changes. Yeah. Just see who can last. I was kind of last night. I was, I was out there for a minute and a half and I might be out here for five months. Yeah. This, this is what might happen. And thank God it wasn't. When, uh, when does it officially, you said playoffs already started because you guys are in the playoff race. When does it officially become like, we're, uh, putting all of our bodies in front of the pox and don't care at all. Cause I do love that shift in hockey when you get to actual playoffs and guys are like, fuck it. I'm selling out on everything.

I mean, it's, uh, that day is definitely coming. Yeah. It's coming very soon and just. Will that be a talk in the locker room being like, boys, it's time. Like everyone's on the, like do whatever you gotta do. Eventually like, it's gonna be like, this is game seven. Right.

Like this is like, and of course it's gonna be sometime this month, but like this, this is the game that we need to win. And can't look past, like can't look look at the future games like right now, like we need this one. Yeah. That's gotta be a little bit of a pit in your stomach being like, fuck, I'm just going to get like buried with some pox.

Yeah. Just going to run around and have 12. Yeah. Oh, you get hit with a puck in between what, like the skate and down on your leg, is that the, is that the worst place to get hit? I don't block too many shots, but the ankles tough I think that right here, the knee before the it just makes you feel like you broke your knee. Yeah, you just can't move.

How in terms of I feel like all goalies are psychos. How psycho is your goalie? Do you talk to him before the game at all? Yeah, he's very loose. Okay. He's very like, I've, but I've had goalies where it's like not a word. Like he's just in his own world. You don't say a word to him, but he's, he's great. And that aspect where it's just chill.

He's like throwing the football around before the game. And just, I think it's hilarious. He's got like a wide receiver gloves. It's like our strength guy throwing you the ball. It's not too hard, but protect the pause at all times. Uh, but no, he, he's good. But once the game gets going, then he locks it. Yeah. Cause goalies do, it feels like that that's one of the positions in sports where it's just true

psychos. Like you can't play this. You can't play that position unless you got a little bit of something wrong. Yeah. Like it's psychos and I think they could that position unless you got a little bit of something wrong. Yeah, like it's Psychos and I think they could all say it's a little weird Yeah, you like they're all like some stop not all weird but like all have some different thing that they got going on Yeah, right. You're just getting a peppered with Slapshots and I've I put the pads on every Christmas party like for the kids. I put the goalie gear on I think it's like the best thing in the world world but then I'll have some of the guys shoot on me I'm like oh my like they hurt yeah you have all that padding but it still

hurt right right but that's the most insane to me thing to me about hockey is until what maybe 50 years ago 40 years ago goalies didn't all wear masks yeah how insane is that just absolutely nuts and even guys like what 20 years ago, like didn't wear helmets. I'm like, yeah, how are you playing this game with no helmets? Like I'm wearing a visor and then you have Jamie, Ben, Ryan O'Reilly who's like, they don't have a visor still. I'm like, how are you not worried about your eyes? Yeah.

Yeah, that is crazy. Although the flow did look awesome. Oh yeah. Look good. A couple of nice scars, not like bad scars, but a couple scars on your face. Then you can, everyone sees you for the rest of your life. You're like, that guy played hockey. Who was it?

There was one guy, right? Who got grandfathered in and he was like the last guy not wearing a helmet. I can't remember who was. Who was, Frank McTavish? Yeah. He just like, you just watch a game. He's like, what? He doesn't have a helmet?

Oh yeah. He's grandfathered in. He doesn't have to do it. The best part is warmups. So where you can go no bucket and warmups. Like that's exciting. helmet. Oh, yeah. He's grandfathered in. He doesn't have to do the best part is warm up So where you can go no bucket and warm ups like that's exciting. Yeah Yeah, yeah, this is very important question for you. How much chicken parm do you eat in a in a normal? I guess we'll go with a month. Oh, I have it every game day every game day every game day of chicken parm So you had that for like an early lunch? Yeah, so I go have a game to have chicken parm. So you had that for like an early lunch? Yeah. So I go have a early lunch around 1130 then take a nap and be ready for the game at

seven. So I have a lot of chicken parm. Does everyone eat chicken parm? It's great meal. Yeah it is a great meal. A lot of guys have that but like more pasta or like with the chicken parm then I don't have pasta with mine so just chicken parm just chicken so it just goes straight meat stay light have you had like chicken parm you're like that's a good chicken parm I'm gonna play well tonight oh yeah like whenever I go to a hotel I'm like I know it's a bad like over the years I know like that's a shitty chicken parm mm-hmm just puts me in a bad mood. It's like a bad nap. Bad start to the game. Got to find a way. But

sounds like another analytics homework for your dad. Yeah. Figure out the best chicken parm cities and how you play in them. What are the best chicken parm cities? DC was good yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. They've got a good one. Yeah. You got to do a review. Every hotel just do a review. Montreal has got good chicken parm. I feel like if the chicken parm is too good, that can be bad too, right? Oh, I'll crush as many and just, you know, it might be a little heavy that night, but just I can't turn down a chicken parm.

Which describe your ideal plate setup for a chicken parm. Well, like what I like, a perfect chicken parm in my book. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I'm not at like a too big a cheese on it, but like a thin chicken parm, almost like a chicken cutlet and just like a lot of sauce, put a little olive oil on it. That's exactly what I want. We're about to pasta. What type of pasta do you like with it? I usually don't have pasta with chicken parm. So just the chicken parm. Yeah. Chicken parm a sweet potato. Okay, that's a very healthy way to go about it Yeah, I would I would load up on the pasta. Yeah. No, I don't I've I Did that and I blew up pretty quick. So my god, I take the pasta out of my I can't be gaining this much weight during

The season. Yeah back to the four nations real quick I had one last question about it the the fight obviously the, in the round play with Canada to start the game, three fights in nine seconds. So you guys planned that all out beforehand, right? Did you know who you were fighting and you were just like, with like no bad blood, we're just going to have to do it. Yeah. So it happened where we were talking about it before and we're like,

let's unite our team. We're in Montreal. We're the villains where there's only 20 of us that we have just, let's just stick together. And that was a way to, to go about that is to show that we're united. And then it happens that before the game, they give our starting lineups and we're the away team. So we sent in ours first and, and then they sent it and they circle on the board at we're going on two minutes, four minutes.

And then Matthew looks at me. He's like, like the, the guy he's fighting, he's like, he started, he's like, all right, I'm first shift, I'm going him. And then after, and like, I'm going to grab Benny off the bench, which is his teammate in Florida and like, you're, you're coming out. Like we're going next. And then Millsy talked to Pareko and warmups. He's like, we're going. And they had it all.

I love that. Yeah. I love the talking beforehand and like, Hey, just so you know, we're fighting. Yeah. Right away. And so then Matthew fought, I just think like then me and Millsy almost had an argument about who was going next. He's like, let me go second.

And then he was like asking the defenseman, Pareko out there and he's like, we're going. And he's like, looks at me, he's like, I'm not going. Like, I'm like, what do you mean? Like you're not going. Then I'm like saying to Millsy, I'm like, he's not going. Like, let me go him right away. And then we were just arguing.

I'm like, I'm going him. And then we did. And then the next whistle, then Millsy got his. That's awesome. It was great.. That's awesome. It was great. It was so awesome. Was there any talk about doing that again for the finals?

No, no, there wasn't much of that. It was, once you got to the finals, it was just all about trying to win. And I know people probably would have liked that again, but I think at that point where, you know, if it happened organically, like if they wanted to go again, but I think at that point where you know if it happened organically like if they wanted to go again But I guess it's all right from the start just trying to try to get it done and just one shot away Yeah We watched the game with a Canadian oldie and he's he is the definition of a beauty and he was talking shit to us all The entire game just about how bad the ice is in America because he drives the Zamboni up in Canada

He's like this bad ice bad job by the Zamboni guy Did you, have you seen Oldie? Have you seen this guy? I don't, I don't. Nash's buddy? No, I don't think, I think I saw a clip, right? Cause it was at Yans. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember. Yeah. I saw a clip that he set it up, right? So. Yeah. Yeah. So no, I didn't watch the full video, but. Cause we're ready to go at him. We're like, you want to go? You want to go Oldie? He didn't want it. I'll show you his side pouches after it's probably the most insane thing I've ever seen in my life. You're I'll send it to you. The boys will get a good laugh out of it. Uh, all right. I have one last question. Ro back question. R H O B A C K.com

promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q zips, pull those hoodies, joggers, shorts, ro back.com promo code take. So we talked about not touching the Stanley Cup. Are you worried that you're never going to win a PGA championship because you drank out of Brooks's, uh, PGA championship trophy? Because that's out now. Yeah, that's out. Okay, but i'm happy that it's out. What was it like brooks is a good friend of ours Uh, he looked like he was having a great time that night. Was it fun hanging out with him? Yeah, because I uh, I was told that he was there. I was like, all right, I'll just go and say hi and introduce myself. And all of a sudden I walk in and just, I get handed it.

He's like, what do you want? What do you want in it? I was like, uh, I guess I'll just take a beer and then puts it in front of me. And I like looked down and I'm like, all right, well, I'm going to, I'm going to have to chug this. Like I can't just have a couple of sips. You can't sip it. Yeah. I'm like, all right, well, I'm going to have to chug this. Like I can't just have a couple of kids sipping. Yeah. I'm like, all right, I got to show them a beauty. Yeah. Yeah.

But no, it was good. I like the inner monologue of like, this guy's going to think I'm not a beauty. Yeah, I got a one touch. And then we met up after the game and had more drinks out of it. And yeah, it was. Yeah, he was locked in that game. I think that was laser. I think that was the night he bet more drinks out of it. Yeah, it was. Yeah, he was locked in that game. I think I was laser focused. I think that was the night he bet Josh Allen to win MVP.

He did bet Josh Allen MVP that night. And he was so focused on the game. He's just staring at the game. He's like, I can't even blink. I'll miss something going on here. Yeah. He's the man. Yeah.

All right. Well, Brady, thanks so much. Are you going to get in a fight tonight? Cause I'm, like I said, I'm taking my son to the game. So I, I could point out and be like see that guy right there he's a tough motherfucker he's gonna fight yeah I mean we'll have to see all right maybe a goal goal would work too yeah blackhawks are bad they need to get they need to keep getting good they had a big win though yeah they did they did so yeah I'll be a tough one yeah I had one last thing actually I forgot to ask you this

your teammate Shane Pinto he was asked about you and they said, what's the most Kachuk thing about Brady Kachuk? And he said, you mean, what's the radiest thing about him? Was that, was that a compliment? Pence. Oh, yeah. I'll take it as a comment. I think so the way that he explained it, he said that you, you stir the pot, but often off the ice, you're super nice. But then once the game starts, you kind of switch into a different mode like ratty Kachak. So do you actually feel that like puck drop your personality changes? Yeah. Yeah, no, I feel like I don't even know when the switch happens. Mm-hmm. But I definitely feel like I turn into a completely different person.

Yeah, so it's it's it's fun though. It is fun. We like that person on the ice. when the switch happens. But I definitely feel like I turn into a completely different person. Yeah. So it's fun though. It is fun. We like that person on the ice. Yeah. Can't be bringing it home though. Can't be bringing the radiness back home. No, it's no. Just disastrous weight in half. All right. Well, Brady, thank you so much. Captain America. Good luck rest of the year. Get in the playoffs and appreciate you stopping by, man. Awesome. Thank you guys for having me. That was a lot of fun. Yeah, appreciate it. Part of my take is sponsored by BetterHelp. Think about your favorite leaders, mentors and idols.

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Lucy products are only for adults of legal age. order is age verified warning this product contains nicotine Nicotine is an addictive chemical. Okay, let's wrap up the show. We got a listener submitted FAQs Hank What's up PMT crew? What's up? Hey First if you had to make a pickup basketball starting five of guests on the show, excluding all professional athletes, former and current, who would be on the team? Also, can we get a 999 challenge in the cave for opening day? Hmm. I think I would go Rosillo. Rosillo definitely has to be on the team. Jerry?

Jerry O'Connell? You think he could be on our basketball hoop. I don't know I feel like oh Man, this is a question Mark Wahlberg Yeah, Rossello Fuck is a really good question singing through the tallest people that we've had on the show Yeah, Wendy Wendy's got handles Sandler Sandler great call so Wendy running the point Rossello Sandler I think we might have Kane at Center Kane at Center, that's a good call Stone Cold power forward. Yeah. Yeah, which is all right. Those are kind of athletes though

No, I actually do all professional wrestlers and we'll just beat the fuck out of everybody. I'm trying to think of who else we got Tom Segura Yeah, and the dunk contest. Yes, you're in the tongue contest. I'm first rate call Danny DeVito Danny DeVito probably not Hmm. It's a good question. We gotta come up with a solid... We're pretty much... We're building this team on Rosillo and Wendy. No, Mark Wahlberg. Mark Wahlberg, yeah, yeah. I do think Wendy would be smooth with it.

You think he could dribble? Yeah. He just spends enough time around the game. I think he could... Yeah. What about Rothstein? Has he ever taken a jump shot? I don't think so. No. I don't think Rothstein's ever taken a jump shot. Brandon Walker. Yeah. Brandon Walker. Oh, be bad. Mark Titus. Well, he played not professionally. True. He didn't play professionally. But yeah, he would definitely if we're I was thinking just no athletes whatsoever was drafted by the Globetrotters. Yeah. Um, good question. We got to come up with some more. We could probably do coaches, right? Josh Duomo. He probably is a good athlete. Right? Yeah, I think he would be Missoula.

Missoula played. Yeah. Skip. 1.4. Steven A. Steven A. Steven A. Yeah, there it is. There it is. I knew we'd find it. All right. Oz the Mentalist. So final answer, Wendy at the point, Stephen A. Shootingguard. Yeah. Rassillo the 3 or Rassillo the 4? Rassillo would, if we talked to Rassillo about if you want it to be a 3 or a 4, he would have like an hour long answer. Yeah. We'll put him at the 3.

Kane at the 5. Is he a professional athlete? Who? Kane. Hank's trying to take him away from us. Mary Kane. He. Is he a professional athlete? Who? Kane. Hank's trying to take him away from us. Mary Kane. He's 100% a professional athlete. He's a mayor.

Okay. Who's our tallest guess that wasn't a professional athlete? Man. Who's the one person that we said you should have hooped? Yeah. Shane? Osama Bin Laden? Yeah. Shane Gillis?

Shane Gillis? Yeah, Shane Gillis at our four and then maybe Kane in our five. I like that Just keep throwing Kane in there. Okay. Yeah, I mean I'm gonna keep throwing Kane in there I don't know what you want me to say. I'm gonna keep doing it Sup fellas, how did you guys meet Tim Woods and start doing D&D shows? Oh good question That was in Barstool Gold. Yeah back in the day We wanted to do some different shows that weren't sports related some different for the people out there

We had a professional cuddler come on the show and tell us about her job We had a marine biologist come on the show and we wanted to do like a board game type thing And we thought D&D might be good. Yeah, and it's I mean one of the best relationships We've made and credit to our guest booker who just we told her go out find a D&D Jordan Sure, shout Jordan guys and Tim Woods is now he's I mean He's part of I sometimes think about this Not as like a we're gonna end the show anytime soon

But like if whenever the show does end if we did like a tour or like a last show But like if whenever the show does end if we did like a tour or like a last show The the pop Tim Woods would get when he came in would be awesome if we did like all the all the best Recurring guests yeah kind of but not a clip show, but like just having them all come in We'll be like the last episode. Oh, I thought about a lot. We got that would be a live show Oh, yeah, but I'm saying a real pop the pop Online if we had him come in and just had everyone Did we talk about doing a 10-year anniversary show we did yeah this Next year next year to be 10. We're we actually missed our anniversary this year. Yeah, it's actually we're two

Yeah, because the show started leap day. Yeah, we do we we're not good right next year. We're not good We're going good with anniversary. We're going to the 10th year. No, no, no, no, no, no. You just implied, you said, didn't you guys say you were doing a 10 year anniversary? Didn't we just pass it? No, I did not say just pass it. We did technically miss our 9 year.

You were implying, you were like, I thought you were going to do one for 10 years. We are. We did miss our 9 year. It's in a year. Which I'm actually, I'm happy about because there's like a trend online to be like oh I've been doing this for a hundred days. Yeah, congratulations to me So we missed nine. Yes are bad What we did I thought you're talking about mostly but this is no I'm not like mostly spot

I'm talking about like people who do something college something Fifth year in college. It's like people work out for like, you know, 50 days are like day 50. Yeah, we're talking about Nikki smokes We technically we had our nine year what four days ago? Yeah Yeah, I was talking about Nikki smokes. Okay All right next I Was just wondering in regards to hot sea cool throw in our other segments, like who's back the week. If that is something we guys, you guys meet together for, whether it may be hours before each show to make sure you are pinpointing some of the key things

that have happened recently and made sure there's not overlap kind of thing. No, we never overlapped. Come prepared. That's things you might want to say. And if other people had on their best lessons, so be it. I usually just think of what would big cat say and what would PFT say and then I just use that you try to take those Yeah, I mean, that's a very stupid question. We never have any overlap. Yeah, we always hit all the main points in the sporting calendar No, yeah, we have I think it's like a 45 minute used to be an hour long But now it's 45 minute production meeting four hours before each show Oh, and then we plot it out on these post-it notes color-coded No, we did we did there was a point early on where we planned a lot more and I think we found no

We did oh for sure we plan like topics and stuff and say I think we found pretty quickly that like Just being ourselves is a lot and also surprising each other with things is a lot funnier But yeah, if you ever hear shorts on hot-se or cool thrown, that's because we ran out. Yep. Are keeping beers outside. Yeah. Or daylight savings. Yeah. I still, I'm so mad at myself. No, the, the start of the show when we did for the first like two, maybe three years, it was, uh, every topic at the start. So the main sports at the start. And then we would do segments after the interview. And the segments would be like, Hot Seat Cool Throne was one of them. Hurt or Injured would be another one. PR 101. I'm trying to remember the other ones that we had. Mike Wilbon's name drop of the week. He played golf with Obama, not to brag. That was another one. But we would go through whatever happened in sports and get them into one of those segments and then the show kind of evolved From there yeah, we realized that we're just hitting them on our own in a natural way. Don't have to put them in a bucket When is when is max doing the baseball street oh

This is memes I feel like ever since PMTV came out showing he was throwing maximum 60 miles per hour it went dark is Max scared great question Well, so the thing is let's answer the second. Yeah, the thing is what is the are you scared? scared Yeah Probably an accurate answer answer there. Um So here the real answer is we had it set up twice. We got rained out twice we were working on rescheduling

for a third time and then I broke my foot and now the college baseball season has started. I think we got to go maybe minor league team and maybe in independent. Yeah. Independent is probably the Mallards would probably do it. Yeah. Independent. We could definitely we could definitely find some teams. Mallards, if you're listening, let's get this set up. And we can say now, we were going to do it with the University of Tennessee. Yes. It's going to be the Vols. Who won a national championship last year. I think they're currently undefeated.

Max is going to get shelled by them. They were in on it, but then because of the weather in Knoxville, we couldn't find a day that worked. And then he broke his foot. And then I broke my foot. The breaking of the foot was the real... Yeah, that was bad. the weather in Knoxville we couldn't find a day that worked. And then he broke his foot. And then he broke his foot. And then I broke my foot. The breaking of the foot was the real... Yeah, yeah, that was bad. But then you went to Super Bowl. But then I went to Super Bowl.

And now I'm like basically healthy. Basically healthy? Yeah. What does basically healthy look like? I'm technically not supposed to run or jump for another like two weeks. We're taping this right before we do a challenge where we go to 15 fast food restaurants or attempt to go to 15 fast food restaurants and eat from every single one of them. Yeah, no, I'm never going to get skinny.

Yeah. It's okay. That's you. Listen, you when we do like the combine and stuff, you show out. I think that's all that matters. If you're a little overweight, it's like you got to just every now and then remind people like I could be in good shape. Yeah, I could be.

I fatly fat. now and then remind people like I could be in good shape yeah I could be I fatly fat fatly fatly fat fat fatly fatly I like obese better obese is obese just goes obese was a good one yeah you are obese okay is that it yep good job Hank thanks you look good today. Thanks. Yeah, that's it. Just complimenting each other. Boys. Boys complimenting each other. Alright, numbers, memes.

Happy birthday memes. Yeah, I like compliments. Let's compliment each other. Okay. Memes, I really hope you get this. I feel like today's the day. Alright, here's a compliment, memes. I know at least you're trying to get this.

You're never going to get it, but I know at least you're trying. Okay. So that's my compliment to you. Thank you. I love how much you care. Yeah. Yeah. And it is, and it's, it's bullshit that people keep bringing up that you didn't get it on the previous machine and the new machine and it's getting a little ridiculous how bad you are at this. Uh, that's mean. Yeah, it's very mean. And then PFT's tweet yesterday was also very nice. What was my tweet? It's part of my meme's birthday. Everybody say something nice about him.

Oh, and then what do people say? Have you ever gotten, your birthday would be a lot better if you would've got the ball. That's true. I did not want people to do that. Do people ever see you out memes? Like, does that ever happen to you? Cuz that's when it really gets dark

No, once they start yelling numbers that you're real shame if people you know, yeah, that would be real identify memes I was that's I just look like every generic white male. Mm-hmm All right, so if you see a generic white male in your name, just ask just ask them if they ever got the lottery Yeah, just to be safe. Yeah Okay numbers seven three. Oh Just ask them if they ever got the lottery. Yeah, just to be safe. Yeah Okay numbers seven three Oh Just birthday it was his birthday We'll go third. I'll give you three. No, no, you go. No, I'll give you three. It's not gonna

All right, big cat take 30. I'll take 30 you take three. No, you take three. I'll take 30 you want Are you okay with this? Yeah, all right. Are you okay? I'm fine with it You're not gonna get it either way, so what if it pops up? It's not gonna go ahead 77 99 pogue 44 21 What was your sink?

seven So for the record big cat you have three means has 30 45 45 Means what just just hypothetically what would you do if three hits and you don't have it that day Can't can't punch the monitor because we would lose all the files mm-hmm Storm out okay, you I don't think I've never seen you storm out Would you try to fistfight the person who got three yes, okay? I think he would punch the person closest to him Who's that person? It's Max.

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