Pardon My Take - Jake Plummer Live From His Mushroom Farm, Hard Knocks, Grit Week Midweek Recap + Mt Rushmore Of Universally Loved Things

Episode Date: August 10, 2022

Hard Knocks is back and Dan Campbell is the absolute best. We recap Hard Knocks and talk about Grit Week 3 days in (00;02;55-00;18;42). Kevin Durant wants everyone fired and Roquan Smith notes app’d the Bears (00;18;42-00;29;16) . Hot Seat/Cool Throne including Beth Mowins game being done and Colin Cowherd still pretending to not know who we are (00;29;16-00;52;41). Jake Plummer joins the show live from his mushroom farm and we talk about his career in the NFL, being 100 seconds away from a national title at ASU, Pat Tillman and his mushroom farm and growing business (00;52;41-01;48;14). We finish with Mt Rushmore of universally loved things (01;48;14-02;11;08)You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

Hey, pardon my take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen, ad-free, on Amazon Music. On today's part in my take, Jake the Snake Plumber, all-time guy, quarterback for the Cardinals, the Broncos, almost won a national title with Arizona State, and now Mushroom Farmer. We go to his mushroom farm, you're going to want to watch this on YouTube because we literally are sitting in a mushroom farm cooler.

We have a great interview with him about his career, life after football, Pat Tillman, ton of stuff covered. We also have Grit Week Wednesday, so we're halfway through Grit Week. We talk about everything we did. We have hard knocks to recap, some stuff going on in the sports world, hot seat, cool throne, and then we finish off with the Mount Rushmore of universally loved things. Great, great show coming up, and we are brought to you by our wonderful sponsor, Coors Light. Summer is full of official events like weddings, graduations, and annual Fourth of July barbecues,

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It's been a great time at the Coors Factory in Golden Colorado, they're our favorite sponsor, and we love Coors Light, we've been drinking it all week. Okay, let's go. Welcome to part of my tape, presented by Coors Light, our favorite sponsor, the best beer ever created. We went and visited the Coors Factory in Golden Colorado, it was delicious. It was delicious. Today is Wednesday, August 10th, and football is back.

Officially back. I would like to issue a challenge right now. If there's anybody out there that does have one ass cheek and three toes, I will beat the fuck out of you. Yes. I will kick your ass. I want that person's name, rough and rowdy, me and you, I'll put $500,000 on the line. So yeah, Dan Campbell, Hard Knocks, incredible Hard Knocks, it was probably the, Hank said

that it was probably one of the best Hard Knocks episodes that we've had since we started this show because Hard Knocks has the best, yeah, it has lulled, but the day, it's basically the Dan Campbell biopic and it's incredible. The exact quote he said was, doesn't matter if you have one ass cheek and three toes, I'll beat your ass again. I would too. Is he, is that, is he beating like a handicap person? Yeah.

If you have one ass cheek. Yeah. No, I hate that person. Yeah. Kick his ass. Yeah. He also kick his one ass. Everything that you want in a football coach, uh, like, especially for Hard Knocks, you

know, the jury's still out on actually winning games, which I think the lines will be better this year. But he, the way he talks to his team, like the fact that he's always on the verge of crying football guy tears, he's, he's always on the verge of crying. We opened up where he said the, the one ass cheek, three toes guy. He also got very, very vivid in his explanation of drowning a human being to a point where it was like, have, have you drowned someone? Dan Campbell.

He's like, we're going to pull you into the deep end and we're going to suffocate you and put your head underwater and you'll never breathe again. And it was like, wait, did this, is this, are you saying something that happened? But holy shit, can that guy fire up a team? He also had, um, a great analogy that he used. I'm trying to remember his exact words. Well, he came out wearing the grit hat and like right off the bat, just straight up said like this team's about grit.

Yeah. I feel like that was a message to us. I did not appreciate. However, it felt like a direct shot at us when he said, we have two rules. Don't be late and don't be overweight. Yeah. And that kind of describes this entire podcast. That is true.

That was a little fucked up, Dan. Yep. But besides that, yeah, Dan Campbell is going to be a star. He already is a star in my heart. But yeah, the crying, the spitting when he talks, that's his mouth crying when he spits out. Chodog. The up downs, Chodog, big time Chodog.

Love everything is there. The crying is contagious too. Yeah. Other players are going to start crying. Jamal Williams was crying. Yeah. Also, I want to see, I want to see an episode where a kicker gives an impassioned speech like the special teams room and the kicker starts crying.

Yes. Yes. And speaking of crying, shout out Mark Brunel. He will never escape that. Every time I see his face, I'm just like, remember when he cried on TV? He cried because, because of footballs, not, it's, it's okay. I want to be perfectly, perfectly clear. It's, it's great to cry about football.

It's awful to cry about footballs. Yes. And he, and he was like, Tom Brady, Tom Brady took care of those balls. Dude, he played 19 years in the NFL. He has a Super Bowl ring with the Saints. He's a coach on the Detroit Lions right now. And every time I see his face, I'm like, Oh, remember when he cried on TV? Like that's just his legacy.

Uh huh. It's just, it's just, he, he cried on TV. And not Dan Campbell cry, which is like those, that's the most manly thing you could do when Dan Campbell is just screaming at them. Like, I have a plan for you. Like the reason why we're in pads, all I do is think about you guys. Yeah. Well, he also, he sprinkles in here and there.

He always says like, he talks to the word men in. Yeah. And if you just put the men, the word men into a sentence, it just makes it seem like, like you're for the guys. Yes. Like I care about you guys. Yes. Billy actually said after, after watching the episode, he's like, I think I might be Dan

Campbell's like lost child. I mean, Dan Campbell knows how to, how to get the troops going. It was a great episode. We also had Dan Campbell, you know, explaining his, his coaching staff. He has just a bunch of guys who played a lot of NFL games. And then we had the clip where it was, uh, do staley and Aaron Glenn going at each other in practice. And we all kind of looked at each other watching it.

By the way, shout out the AWL Kyle for hosting us. Incredible hosting job. He and his wife, like they were, they put everything out and went to the dog and went to the dog and they're, and they're two friends, but awesome time watching at a random AWL house. We're now three for three or four for four, not getting murdered. I'm three. So we're on a hot street.

Definitely a thousand percent. Yeah. Very cool experience. Back record. We just show up at a person's house and we're just like, yeah, let's watch hard knocks, but, um, we all turn to each other, including Kyle. And we're like, is do staley and Aaron Glenn? Like, are they coaching right now?

Or are they just trying to beat each other? Like in this meaningless scrimmage, it was, it was kind of an odd five. They're playing live action Madden against each other. They're looking at the guys that they coach and they're like, okay, I'm going to kick your ass today. No, you know, it's the exact same thing as when you're playing Madden against your friend, you're talking shit. That's literally what they're doing.

I feel like I hope that they go back and they like look at the tape and actually coach them up. But I think more so than ever, like after every practice, I'll probably go back, look at the tape and do staley. We'll look at Aaron Glenn on the sidelines and find fucked up, like weird things that he's doing on the sidelines just to roast him about later. Right. Not so much like what your own players are doing.

It was odd coaching. I'll just say that it was just, I liked it. Yeah. No, it was, it was intense. It's great TV. Yeah. Like I don't, the best part about it could have cut around it too. You never know if they're only using those parts or whatever.

Yeah. I would say the best part about hard knocks is every time I've ever watched a hard knocks and this happens every single year, you watch the team and you're like, this is the best team ever assembled because they're so physical. And because, you know, everything's mic'd up in the pads and everything. You're like, this team has grit and they're going to be fucking getting after people. One thing I am worried about though, when it does come time to cut players, Dan Campbell, the crying, he might die cutting a player because he's, he's

so sad to see one of his men leave. Yeah. And you know how like they always do lip service during the cut days when the coach is like, I'll always put in a reference for you. I think Dan Campbell might spend cut day literally calling all 31 teams being like, get this guy. Yeah. Cause you need, he needs a job.

Yeah. Yeah. He might just become like an outbound salesperson. He also probably like, we'll call their next of kin to notify them. Yeah. Like right after the leave, he's like, Hey, I regret to inform you that your son has been cut from the Detroit line. Yes.

Sorry. Yes. The other highlights of the, of the show, Aidan Hutchinson singing, I just love the moment when they make rookies go up and say what their signing bonus is, and he's like 22 million and everyone just lost it. And then we also had Jamal Williams with the quote of the night when he said, if you're going to piss like a puppy, stay on the porch, let the big dogs eat, which now is a shirt that we're selling in the barstool sports store.

Thank you, Jamal Williams. Yeah. I think Aidan Hutchinson, when he, when he got drafted and before he got drafted, when we were kind of like reading the tea leaves of, yeah, you're going to go to Detroit, Dan Campbell wants to draft you because he wants to just like wrestle you. He wants you around for your presence. Right.

I actually think now he drafted him just so that he could watch Penae Sewell and Aidan Hutchinson wrestle each other every single time. I'm sharp and tired. I'm sharp and tired. By the way, Jake, all-time wild moment. Yes. Aidan Hutchinson's first youth football team, the Lions, or the Jersey drafted by the Lions.

His mom was like, Oh, what? She said, what about his mom? No, she said, Oh, Jake, Jake, we have other teams. We have little minis on our hands. I would have been happy, but I was secretly really hoping it was just the Lions and it was also because Jake's brother is here right now. And he was like, when he walked in, he's like, Jake is notoriously horny. Yes.

Always. His big mom guy. Another moment that was scary, just like the profession, the reporter's phone going off during the press conference. Yes. That was awesome. That was me. I would have just like turned in my.

Did you have secondhand embarrassments? I turned to Hank. I'm like, that was me. I would just walk out. This is why Jake is so he completes the show so perfectly because I didn't even think twice about that. And Jake, like not jotted it down being like, could you imagine being that reporter? It's always funny too.

When somebody's alarm goes off and it's like 1045, it's like, wait, that's your wake up alarm right now. Yeah. So, I mean, it was a great episode. It was a great episode. Great wild moment. Great episode. Yeah, he's going to be running training camp like it's my which is awesome.

Yeah, like it's going to be there. They're going to be hitting because studies have shown he is really Billy's father studies have shown that having what velocity and violence in a certain amount. What was the quote Billy? I know that you paid attention to cool throne studies, volume and intensity is essential for a winning season. There we go.

Studies studies are back. Hank's right though. There was, I don't know what HBO is doing to us, but what's up with the 45 minute episode? We all were just like, wait, it's over now. They needed 60 seconds of the Andre Hoppian slow motion fucking bullshit. Yeah, promo the end season one. Give me that.

Give me those 15s and give me that back. And then that was actually great. The after the credits were rolling the offensive line room when the guy was just like, I don't know what player it was when he was just like, I have so many cool clothes. I can't wait to fit in. He's like, man, it's going to be great. Yep.

And no busting ass in the running backs room either. Yes. You fart. You're out. Yes. And Deuce is going to count to 10 when you go outside. You get fine for farting. Yeah.

You said section five or something. Yeah. So you get fine for farting. Yeah. I mean, it was a great episode. I'm excited. The hard knocks season. Like it's one of those things too where they can't give us enough Dan Campbell.

Like I, there is no, my thirst for Dan Campbell is unquenched even after watching 45 minutes of it. Yeah. I would like somebody to actually like hold my head under Dan Campbell and just drown in Dan Campbell. Yeah. Just a pool of Dan Campbell taking the deep end of Dan Campbell, just Dan Campbell's tears, like drown me in Dan Campbell's tears.

Yes. I'm for it. It's definitely coming to, but they kind of foreshadowed it. But we'll get it. We'll get like a full Jared episode. Yeah. And he's our guy. We got to have him back on.

Yeah. There's, there's shout out to one AWL who tweets me every day being like, it's been this many days since you've had Jared Goff on that guy's doing. He's, he's, he's working hard. Open invite. Yeah. He's doing, he's doing a good job. Speaking of the AWLs, we are in Denver.

We did a meet up. It was awesome. We had, I mean, the, the line was like, we actually, at one point, we did like a double take because we thought the line was for the game, for the Rockies game, but it was literally a line down the block. And, you know, we got to meet everyone, take pictures of everyone, but it was such a, like those moments are so cool to remember just how, like we have so many fans everywhere and how big the world is.

And it's like, not all these people are the, you know, I, I know Monday, I was like complaining about the very, very vocal minority on Twitter. Like these are all people that just love our show and, and support us. So shout out to all of them. I also think that Denver people are amongst the chillest. Yeah. I would, I would say maybe the chillest city in North America. Yeah.

And the variety of drugs that we were given to by listeners. All of them. Yeah. It was like every time I felt like I was in Hamster Dam. Yeah. It was amazing. Name a drug. Actually, one guy handed PFT a piece of paper and I was like, and PFT was like,

what is this? And the guy was like, it's a parlay. And I turned to PFT. I was like, I 100% thought that was acid. Like there's no way like it might still be. I don't know. He definitely phrased it like it was acid. He was like, here, here's the full little piece of paper.

And he was like, hang on to this for later. Yeah. And I was like, okay, what is it? He's like, oh, it's a parlay. It's going to hit. Yeah. So I'm going to put the parlay in week one, obviously. You have to.

The napkin parlay. Yeah. And we'll publicize that. We'll publicize the napkin parlay so other people can play along. That could be acid. And if you, yeah, and we'll put like, do the math and be like, okay, I'm going to try to win like 800 tabs of acid. Yeah.

This parlay. Maybe eat that paper later and let us know how it goes. I mean, we're in Denver. It probably has some runoff. Yes. Yes. And the one, the, the AWO who saw us on Monday after we did the Torah course, which was awesome.

And he came up to me just dead serious. He's just like, big cat. I want you to have my biggest nug. And he just took out the biggest fucking nug I've ever seen. I was like, okay, cool. That guy also had a pair of my sunglasses. He was like, I wanted to give you your sunglasses back. You left them at the pup punk concert in Denver like eight months ago.

What a great series of gifts that guy. What? Yeah, dude rocks. That dude rocks. Like who, who like just willingly gives away their biggest nug. That's not something you do. You keep your biggest. I've also noticed that everybody in Denver, not everyone, but a sizable

majority of them look a lot like Jake Plummer. Yeah, they have mustaches. They've got a long hair, mustaches, and they all appear to be in like really good shape, but wearing a dirty t-shirt. Yes. Yeah, pretty much. It's, I mean, it's a great, it's a great city. We've had a great time.

We went, we went to the cores who went to Colorado, Boulder. We got to see the facility there. Um, we've been everywhere. We went to Jake Plummer's mushroom farm that's coming up in a second. My leg really hurts. I was given this as one of the best gifts I've ever been given by an AWL. It's a, it's a Baja Blast Polo.

Oh, hell yeah. It's like, I know you love Baja Blast. It's too small. I tried it on. It's too small for me. It is right up your alley though, PFC. So I'm going to gift my, my favorite gift to you. Thank you, Hank.

Wow. Where, well, I know you will. I know, I know. I love Baja Blast. And I know it's just, that's your color. That's, that's a good color for you. All right, low key diet Baja Blast fucking hits. Yeah.

It's slaps. I had one for breakfast the other day. Oh, nice. I'm living, I'm living. It's Groot Week. Yeah, live clean. Yeah. I am living Moss.

Yeah, live Moss the whole time. What do you say, Billy? I got a space force coin. Oh, space force officer. That was pretty cool. Yeah, I think my favorite person that I met today is a listener and he saves up all of his episodes. Yes.

And he saved up like six months worth of episodes because he goes to work on a fucking submarine. Yeah. And so he listens to all part of my day. He catches up. Like he's probably listening to Super Bowl episodes. Yeah, he's in the power. I was like, so dude, you're just time traveling.

He's like, yeah, it's pretty sweet. Yeah, he was like, yo, I just heard like yesterday morning. That was fucked up what you said to John Cena. Yeah, right. Right. That's yeah, his friend just died. Billy's list member, the submarine guy. Oh, nice.

There you go. Beautiful. Now, now I kind of let's do Super Bowl predictions. He's probably listening to this six months from now. Super Bowl week. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Sorry about that war you started with Russia.

Yeah, that's yeah, that's kind of a bummer. You're going to be on high alert. That submarine was actually defecting to the United States. You send you all the signals. But yeah, it was it was it was a great time. It really is like, I know that we should be used to it. But every time we do a meet and greet like that, we didn't think people were going to show up. Yeah, well, we knew people were going to show up.

But we're like, oh, yeah, Buffalo would have been way more. Denver was that was, I mean, concern. What do you think? Thousand people. It was two hours straight of pictures and talking to people. And it was like every time it happens, I should expect it. And then it happens. I'm like, that was awesome.

Like that was really fucking cool that we got to see everyone and like be out with the people. So yeah, shout out, everyone, especially the Cardinals fans who got to see the Barraques just shit down their throat. That was extra fun. When I think it was there was a lot of Cardinals fans. Yeah, well, yeah, they're playing. Yeah, yeah. So all right.

What other we got to talk about a couple other stories. Kevin Durant wants Sean Marks and Steve Nash fired. So that's the latest in the Nets world. I kind of agree with Kevin Durant. Well, so here's the thing. I think that Sean Marks is a bad GM because he brought Kevin Durant in. Yeah. So Kevin Durant, or Kyrie, at least, they should fire him for bringing him in there.

But with Steve Nash, I do agree. Like Steve Nash, I like him. I think he's a good guy. I think his players like him as a person. But watching him in the play. What was that looking? Watch it. I'm not talking about his coaching.

I think it's not good. I think he's got to play Blakemore. Yeah, he needs to play Blake Griffin way more. When we saw him in the playoffs, it was abundantly clear. Like he doesn't he doesn't fight for his guys at all. You know, the players like, yeah, I don't think the players respect him as like a coach. They just like he's a cool guy.

Yeah, yeah, just have him as like minister of vibes hang out. It is Kevin Durant's pick. Like he, you know, maybe he didn't say I want Steve Nash, but he had to have signed off on it. That's that's the best part about this whole story is that it comes out to Kevin Durant's demanding both the coach and the GM or fire, which is it feels unprecedented, but I'm sure LeBron's done it many times. But you can't like Joe Si, you can't you can't put the the toothpaste back in the tube here.

You you gave Kevin Durant like basically ownership of this team. You can't be like, oh, my God, how could this happen? He wants everyone fired. You they did the press conference after they got swept by the Celtics being like Kyrie Irving, like, yeah, Kevin and I are going to get got to get together and figure out what's best for this team. Like they they run the team, you gave them the team. You can't be upset that now the guys who you gave the team to

are trying to run the team. Kevin Durant has left the group chat with Mark, which is a Martian and Steve Nash. Yeah, Ben Simmons, that was the other part. Ben Simmons came out that he before game four, they had a group chat with all the players and they asked him, like, are you ready to go? And he just left the group chat, which is a hilarious move. Like I whatever you want to say about Ben Simmons, leaving the group chat is always a power move.

I don't know how to leave a group chat. Oh, it's so funny. I do it all time. I'm still in group chats from neighborhoods that I lived in. Eleven years ago. Yeah. I live and I get text all day and I still haven't figured out how to leave it yet. Yeah, I'll leave the group. I leave the group chat all time, just as a joke. Like someone says something you don't like, you just like leave

because it's just a very funny thing to do. They should add it back. They should add a feature where if somebody leaves a group chat, you can then like that. Yeah, I like that. They left the group chat. Well, I also like to add people back who leave. Like Brandon Walker likes to leave group chats, like when we start talking about how Ben Mints is the king of the South, so he'll leave.

And then I'll immediately add him back, being like, you aren't going anywhere. Yeah, Ben Simmons did dispute that in a way. He tweeted out, must be a slow news day. And then some crying face emojis. So that's not at all. So yeah, it's 100 percent true. Yes. And yeah, it is a slow news day. Yeah, it is. It's it's fucking August, Ben.

Yeah, and Hard Knocks hasn't come out. Yeah. Yeah. And then Roquan Smith notes at the Bears, which is never good. So he wants he said that he's being disrespected. Ryan polls the GM to his credit, did a press conference almost immediately, which I do think is like a little bit of a change because he's like, I'm going to meet this head on and who wants an off ball linebacker? Because it looks like it's up for grabs now. Yeah, I mean, he's a good player.

He's a very good player. But it's the problem is it's one of those situations where he's a very good player, but he's not a position that is like a top, you know, four position on a field that you have to pay. Like it's not QB, it's not an edge rusher, it's not a wide receiver. It's not an offensive, like a premier offensive lineman. Like that's I don't know what you you got to pay him, but you also don't want to pay him so much, although the cap doesn't matter.

Fuck it, Pam. I think that linebackers have kind of become the running backs of the defense where you don't need to pay a right. You don't need to start right. And in a way, like I missed the old days when it was, you know, like a linebacker centric league when you had Erlacher and Ray Lewis. Yeah, it's like the faces of the league. Yeah, that that was a good time to be a football fan.

Yes, that was the age of jacked up. Yeah, yeah. And they I mean, they go hand in hand too, right? The running back position and like running the ball and those linebackers. It's it's no it's clear what's happened to the league with the past, you know, heavy league. I I hope the Bears figure it out. But I just know that waking up to getting notes tapped by the best player on your team is never a good sign.

It's not good. No, you can't. It was it was a long notes app, too. He really notes. Was it more than one page? You have like it was two pages, I believe. Yeah. Yeah, that's tough. Yeah. And then Ian Rappport was like, you know, instantly had just every detail because Roquan Smith, like, you know, it was told to him and it was yeah, it's bad, bad scene. Let me ask you this.

In DC, do you think would you say it's a good or a bad thing to have your defensive line coach get fired like three weeks into training camp? Good. Do you think that's a good thing? Yeah, you don't want to go into the season with him. So if he's bad, get him out. I saw a picture of the new defensive line coach in DC. I think it's an upgrade. Yeah, this guy just he was wearing athletic shorts and he had a belt on.

That is a fucking coach. Yeah. But you know what I mean? Like you don't want to if there's a problem, deal with it now. Yeah, don't deal with it in in October. Nice to deal with in January. Yeah, of course. But, you know, you had to wait till he showed up to realize that he sucked. So basically Rivera spent the last like seven months being like,

you know what, this guy really stinks. Maybe I've known him for the last 15 years. Maybe he'll really turn a corner this spring. Yeah, something like this is his time. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, everyone has that friend who's like, yeah, something will be different now. Yeah. But I like the new guy just based on vibes alone. That is that is good vibes.

Anything else in the in the world of sports? We got to hit before we hit Hot Sequel. Chris Sale. Chris Sale. He Joe Biden himself or Jim Calhoun, the OG have fallen off his bike. Fell off his bike, broke his hand for the season. I don't believe it. Yeah. Well, so I just don't believe it. I was going to say like gut just going off my gut right now.

Until I see video evidence, I think he was like playing basketball. Yeah. I think it was something else. Yeah. No, I don't. I do not believe because Chris Sale. I want to say who was it? Yeah, Chris Sale. Chris Sale broke his foot when he was on the White Sox. And he said it was because he was stepping off his truck. So he just is the king of weird injuries.

So I don't I don't really buy it. So like Mr. Bean, how does he have all these freak? And then he had Tommy John surgery, right? So how many seasons has he played for the Red Sox? I got some stats for you. Stats from from John Tomase on Twitter. Signed a five year, one hundred forty five million dollar contract extension in 2020. Who did Chris Sale?

Since then, he's made 11 starts. Oof. Posted a playoff era of eight. Oof. Missed nearly two years to Tommy John. Contracted COVID, which that's just seems like a record. That's that's that's awesome. Come on, don't throw that on there. Everyone has had COVID multiple times. You can't go. Yeah, yeah, that's true.

Jake Marsh had COVID. Yeah, like I should tell you can get any one. Yeah, that's just unnecessary, but it's between broken a rib, throwing a pitch. Broke. Wait, what was that? Broken what? Broken a rib. OK, you got to say that. Broke a rib, throwing a pitch. Yeah. He has. This is all the things he has.

OK, we're still under the he has a rib, throwing a pitch. OK, he has broken a pinky on a liner, which that was another one that was a freak injury. But that's not like that shit happens. Yeah, right. If it happens on the field, that's a much different story than like I, you know, getting off a truck or like falling off a bike and broken a rib, falling off a bike.

I want to see his bike, too, because, like, if if he can produce the bike within 24 hours, a picture of it, I'll tell you if he fell off it or not. Like if he's if he's riding one of those like Tour de France bikes, then I believe it. But if he shows a picture of a bike and it's like a mountain bike, there's no way that he fell off his bike. Or if he if you ask him to produce a picture of the bike

and he just doesn't have a bike like, you know what I mean? That there are certain people that you can tell like they're putting on a cycling. Yeah, they put on their spandex lance on. You walk in and they're. Yeah, they're locking in because that's how you fall as you lock in. And they're just, you know, cycling around everywhere. That guy falls off his bike. If he's going around on a fucking I don't even know what they're called.

Well, it's like probably a friend, Huffy, a Schwinn French bike. No, no, no, no, I'm saying like the opposite of a. Oh, yeah, yeah, Huffy, a Huffy, a Schwinn, a mountain track. Just walk outside right here in Denver and see what's on the first t-shirt. You see a track probably one of the track bike. We're big bikes. You can tell I'm a mongoose. A mongoose. Yes. Thank you, Billy.

A mongoose. That's the wall. If he's got a mongoose, he didn't fall off that bike. I think it's really impressive, though. He's he's made what he said, one hundred twenty million dollars. He's made twenty twenty. He's OK, so he's got to pay ten million dollars to start. Yeah, that rocks. You know, because if you if you fall off pegs or pegs,

if he was getting driven around by somebody, yeah, he was on the front pegs. That would be so fucking cool. Pegs are the best. OK, anything else in the sports world? Serena Williams retiring. Oh, she did. Oh, basically. Goat. My hot seat was the sport of tennis.

Oh, ah, losing a great Serena Williams. Is she retiring or is she doing like a she's slowly like she's doing a golf. Oh, she's not playing again. Yeah. And she's not even the good one. No, she is. She is. Oh, yeah, yeah, Venus. Yeah, Venus is the older sister. Yeah. Yeah, Serena is the goat.

Goat. Yeah, she is the goat. Yeah, easily. Yeah. Tennis is a popular sports podcast. So figure we're going to talk about. Didn't she marry that dude who created Reddit or something? I think it's Alexis Ohanian. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Oh, all right.

Now I was talking to tennis. Thanks, Jake. Oh, and the Orioles are back. They keep winning. Fuck you, Hank. What are you looking like that for? You gave up. I didn't give up. I couldn't cash out the bet.

The bet's still there. I didn't give up. I said, I didn't like the fact that they gave up, but I didn't give up. I said, fuck him. I'm going to give it up a little. But I'm back. I get a mulligan. All right, let's do a hot seat, cool throne.

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Oh, shit. My hot seat is Kelly Olenek. Yeah, the clinic. Yeah. Former Celtic great former. I think was he on the bullets? Was he on the? Yeah, probably.

Yeah. When we're watching in great. Who cares? He got married. He has long hair, too. He's got, you know, allegedly seems like he has. We don't know each other. He has a flow.

You guys are like Jeep guys. He got married, put his wedding photos out. He wore a snapback and all his wedding photos and is and is getting destroyed. Yeah, you can't do a snapback. No, he was wearing. He was doing Jordans, too, which I think that's a little bit. You know, you can maybe make that work. Yeah, people do that now.

Yeah, but you can't do a snapback. It's crazy. What about top hat? I feel like top hats do with a tuxedo. I mean, I mean, like a or Scali. I'm thinking like Abraham Lincoln top. Yeah, yeah, we need to come back. Yeah, do you have a nice enough tuxedo?

Like you can you can you can make a look fly. But you can't like you can make the old school hats look good because like tuxedo is an old school look. But a snapback just doesn't go. It was it was a tough look. But I guess he doesn't give a fuck. He's made how much money? How much money has he made?

Oh, man. Is this going to bum you out when you broke Kevin Love's shoulder? I mean, I was just all in the game. The same thing as Jimmy Butler. People look too far into that. Kelly Olenek career earnings. Everyone take a guess. Eighty nine million.

Yeah, I took my number. You say eighty nine. Ninety million. It's kind of easy. He's going to be one of these guys that's like 120 or something. No, 50. So so far in his career, he's made 70. But he's he's he's set to make his next two years

because I think they're all guaranteed ninety five. That's nuts. Yeah, that's not. Yeah, it's his biggest biggest contribution to any team was the Kevin Love. Yeah, well, it is a big contribution. Yeah, if you're six foot eight, you should make fifty million dollars playing basketball.

Otherwise, your failure is really no excuse. Yes, correct. If I was six foot eight, you all be fucked. It would have been over. You'd be dunking on. I'd be in three Hall of Fame. Yeah. And my cool throne is Mississippi State.

I've honestly talked a lot of shit about Mississippi State was my least favorite school to visit. I put on the Mount Fleschmore of colleges, I think, when we did that or something. But in their new stadium, they're in their balcony seats at Davis Wade. It's going to allow fans to bring in their own refrigerator games to store cold beverages. So like they're elevated bleacher seats with like room underneath.

I like that. They're doing that. That's great. It's it's innovation at its finest. They're doing the thing where, you know, you have to make your stadiums feel more like somebody's home because you're competing against people staying home and watching games from their couch. They're really taking that to the next level.

It's like NASCAR. Yeah, which is great. That's one of the pretty much the best part about more NASCAR. More stadiums need to be like action, too, where you can leave. Northern Illinois does it. I think a couple other ones do it, too, where you can leave at halftime and go tailgate and come back. That's a great step.

Step in the right direction. Also shot at Mississippi State playing in the inaugural Barstool Sports Invitational for basketball. True. Yes. Bring your own. Jelly. Yes. I got jelly. Andy Kennedy.

Loaded field November 11th in Philly. The big UAB guys this year. Is that a Hank? Yeah. OK. OK. Very good. Good job, Hank. Thanks. My hot seat is Domino's. Put Domino's pizza on the hot seat. They just got kicked out of Italy.

Yeah, they you can't lose it. You know how bad you can't you can't you can't. That's like if you're if you're a pizza place and you lose Italy, you can't. That's like if you're selling heroin and you lose Baltimore. You can't do it. It's bad. You can't. That's you're running a bad business.

Yeah. At that point. And so they were so unpopular in Italy, they were just like, we're just going to go home. We're going to we're going to pack up our shit and leave because I guess Italians don't like pizza. Yeah. I guess that's it's a Papa John's country. I don't know. God. Yeah, it's really bad.

That's really bad. That's so fucked. Yeah, you can't you you cannot lose Italy if you're a pizza company. Probably the first first pizza company to ever have to fold up shop in Italy. Yeah. What the fuck is bad. Damn. So RIP Domino's and then my cool throne.

Give me one second here. My cool throne is going to be Cam Smith. Because Cam Smith, recurring guest on part of my take, he came on right after he won the open championship. He's leaving the PGA tour and going to the live tour. Oh, allegedly as as first reported by part of my take. All right. Yeah, I like that.

Please credit. Well, no, he said that he would do it today, but I reported that like two days after the open. Yeah, please credit. I'm a golf insider. And he won't he won't admit it, right? He refuses to acknowledge it. Yeah, he's just he's a risk of buying.

Yeah. And Saudi hallowing. So he's he's going to be joining the live tour. Hundred million dollars. Pretty good. But then the report came out today that there was a live lawyer that said, I mean, just saying it out loud like being a lawyer for the live tour. That's got to be a very scary profession.

Yeah, your whole life is like is like better call Saul. He's saying that the money that's won by the players in tournaments is actually recouped against the live contracts. So I guess if they pay you a hundred million dollars and you win a tournament, it's just like, we're going to take that off your tab so you don't get an extra check. Even though live tour has been saying all along that the money that you win in a tournament is on top of that.

One of their lawyers publicly said today that's recouped against the live contracts. Oh, big controversy now. Oh, who would have thought that Mohammed bin Salman might have some underhanded business dealings? Is the live running out of money? They might be. They might be in bad trouble. Yeah. So I hope that's a significant clause.

If you paid me a hundred million dollars and you're like, if you win, we're just going to take that out. I would be the worst golfer. Yeah. Like if we we've said a hundred million is our number. If the live got us for a hundred million dollars and then like we have the Aaron Rodgers episode that does numbies and they're like, yeah, actually, that's coming off your tab. I'm out. Fuck that. I'm out.

You know what? That's where my morals morals step up. Yep. I don't think this is cool anymore when the check doesn't clear. That's as far as I go. I start. I start having real strong thoughts on a global scale. Yep. Yeah. All right. That does it for me. OK. Thanks. My hot seat. Yeah, good job.

My hot seat is Beth Mullins. And the Beth Mullins game, it's dead. It's gone. So Big Ten has their new contract, new deal. It's Fox primarily. And then they also have NBC and CBS. So the Big Ten is going to be on. I think they're going to do all the windows on Saturday, where it's twelve o'clock, three thirty and like a night game on all three networks.

So that means, unfortunately, ESPN will not have the Big Ten and we will not have Beth Mullins putting us, you know, in a perfect spot on a Saturday morning, watching Purdue and Northwestern have a puntoff. And I'm going to miss that because that game means a lot to me. Yeah, it's kind of like soccer adjacent where there's not going to be a lot of scoring. It's going to be on early in the morning. It's going to introduce your day like calmly.

It's going to ease you into a long day of football. There is nothing better than watching Game Day and then having it just immediately like the hype of Game Day, then just flip over to like a dreary Big Ten campus with a half filled stadium late in like November and just being put to sleep. And it was just great. And those games are always zero three in the second quarter.

Yeah. Yeah. Zero time. Corso puts on the headgear and then boom. Boom. Welcome. Yeah. Right. And it's just I'm going to miss that. That was part of my Saturday. It was a great way to ease you into Saturday because like I'm I don't like and I know that like the big noon kickoff and everything. I don't like having a huge game right away.

I like to ease my way it because you know there'll be there's so many games going on. I want to just watch all the other games and then be like, all right, three thirties is a huge game. Eight o'clock is a huge game. I need I need to ease my way it. Well, it would honestly be fucked up to have a game that started at eleven o'clock be a 50 to 40 game. Right. I wouldn't like that. Right.

It's like this is too much. Right. Exactly. So I'm very sad that's gone. And then my cool throne is me because Colin Coward of all people did a better job and more gracious job of explaining my size problems, as Hank has said, that anyone else. That's a direct quote about your length of your feet and legs. Oh, really? Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Coward notoriously long.

Coward played or talked about our Aaron Rodgers interview. And he is now going on seven years of the running gag of pretending he doesn't know who we are. He he dropped the PFT commentator. Always plays. That's basically my name. Yeah. I get that a good like seven times a year from prominent people or Tee Commenter. Yeah, Tee Commenter. That happens occasionally.

And then he described me as a stand up comedian, big guy, big physical presence. And I like at this point, I respect Coward for doing this because he is so committed to it. The guy is obsessed with sports coverage, podcasting, all these things. So for him to pretend he doesn't know what the number one sports podcast is, I actually tip my cat, but it's funny. And he also went out of his way to unfollow us at the same time,

like three years ago, right when we were roasting him. So he knows exactly who he is. Of course he does. He dude, he's like someone like that is he has a podcast. He's he has a podcast network. He's obsessed with numbers and all these things. But again, I at first, when it when we were like in year three or four, I was like, oh, that's that's fucked up. Like he should know who we are.

Now it's he definitely knows who we are, who we are. And he's doing it as a bit. And I respect it. Coward. I respect it. His daughter follows all of us. Oh, bonk. So bonk. I got a funny Colin Coward story. This is back in like 2014, I want to say.

I went to South by Southwest. We pissing next to him. No, we'll see you next to him one day. I would cheer him so hard. So I go to this South by Southwest event, and it's me. I'm meeting up with Cliff Kingsbury or not Cliff Kingsbury. Yeah, what? Oh, Kurt Goldsbury. I was fucked out with a little mess. Yeah.

So it's more he's hotter. And he also has accomplished more. Yes, he's a gold medal. Yeah. So it's me and Kurt and Kurt. We go to South by Southwest and Colin Coward's there. And so he's like, OK, I want to go up and introduce myself to Colin. I think you might know who I am. So I just stand there.

I'm watching the two of them shake hands and Colin's talking real close to him. And he spits on him while he talks. And it's like this one giant bubble of spit that comes out of Coward's mouth and it lands right on Kurt's face. And he doesn't know what to do about it. But he starts like looking at me out of the corner, out of his eye, being like, I can't like wipe this off because Colin knows that he spit on me, but I don't want Colin to feel bad that he spit on me.

Right. And it becomes like a Mexican standoff of like, is Colin going to stop talking or is Kurt going to be able to extricate himself from the conversation and wipe the spit off his face? And to his credit, he stuck through the entire conversation, turned to me, goes, oh, my God, Colin Coward just spit on my face, his wipes, wipes himself down. It is that I think that Kirk played it well, because you have to as the spitter, you have to acknowledge that you spit. Yeah, that's on you to be like, oh, I'm so sorry.

But if you don't do that, then yeah, you can't be like, dude, you just spit on me. Yep. Coward, yeah, I can't admit anything. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he's got a problem. He does. He does. See, Colin, let me explain this in a way you might understand. You're like blockbuster. OK, and we're like Netflix. You had your shot, Colin, and you missed it.

Colin, you are the first wife. We're the second wife, the hot wife, the wife that's 20 years younger than everyone's like, oh, look at his new wife. That's us. You want to have fun with us, but I don't think you rock this body, Colin. Oh, then my other cool throw in a sportsmanship because Little League World Series is back and everyone loves sportsmanship. I hate it.

I only deserve double sportsmanship. Dave, what? Specific scenarios. Yes. Yes. Our boss, Dave, got roasted on Twitter's trending. I just loved it because, like, if you didn't expect Dave to tweet exactly that, like, welcome to the show. The show has been going for a long time. That's the show. Well, he has that take every year and people get mad about it every year.

Big Cat, what was his take? So the Hanks role right now. Yeah, it was I was I was not fucking explaining it. I was doing that. That's a great. That's a good work. A kid. A kid. Come out. Yeah, when it does, people are going to be vindicated. A kid got beaned in the in the head and then the picture.

These are 12 year old boys, 11, 12. The pitcher was shaking up because he rocked him with a with a fastball to the to the dome, was crying on the mound. And then the kid went and like consoled him and was like, it's OK. I'm going to be OK. And then Dave was like, this is bullshit. You're trying to play for a spot in Williamsport. That's the pitcher's plate.

And like, why would you ever let him off the hook when you have that kid? What would Dan Campbell say to that? No, like I said, he's been running the same play for a very long time. The Internet gets mad about it every time. They can't stop it. Yeah, they can't stop it. He's going to keep doing everyone just piles on. And they're like, this is what it like.

If you didn't know this was the play, he's going to run. Well, right until you can until your defensive line can step together. No, no, you're going to run power right until you stop quote, retweeting it and saying, Dave Portnoy is a piece of shit. Like and then getting your retweets. Yep. So just keep happening. All right, Billy, my hot seat is the Jets offensive line. Mackay Bechton shattered his right knee cap and is out for the season.

What sounds painful? Yeah, Billy. Oh, it's bad. Oh, no, it's bad. Zach Wilson getting sacked on four to five, four out of five drop backs in practice right after it happened. Oh, no, bad. But Mackay Bechton had been playing in practice before that. And last season, you didn't get much playing time due to injuries.

So still positive. Exactly. We know he doesn't need protection because the guy because the first round pick has always been injured. It's not a big deal that you got injured again. Actually, no. Yeah. Yeah. No, I actually buy that. You know, you're you're right.

I am. You're right. He's you can't rely on him. So to lose him is not a big deal. Yeah. So he hasn't he was really overweight, right? There were eyewitness accounts. Maybe there's room. Was it Sasquatch? Practice, who saw him puking after like 11 on 11 drills.

And maybe that I wouldn't count to stomach crying, though. That's good. Yeah. So I mean, who knows? I think maybe this time will do him well, but sure. And we'll see him this year. The shattered kneecap could be really good for his NFL career is what you say. Trying to be optimistic. Because I was talking to memes about earlier and memes, I think, is a

probably the biggest Jets fan that we have on this podcast, right? I'd say so, probably. And he was he was really not that concerned about Mackay. He was like, you know what? Kind of what you said, like he's been injured. He's overweight. Reports were that he might even get cut. Yeah. If he's always injured.

Yeah. And he's just injured again. No big deal. Exactly. OK. And my cool throne is studies because of Dan Campbell. And my other cool throne is Jake Paul's boxing career because he might be fighting Andrew Tate by the end of the year. Whoa. I think that actually be a very fun fight to watch. You're two heroes going up against boxing. No, regular boxing.

After Billy, are you going to be like Brady Quinn's or AJ Hawks sister and worse? No, I don't even know. Billy's not going to be able to watch you because it's like Brady Quinn's sister. I can't watch you. The one that you guys just put that on me because it's funny. No, you are. Don't don't.

Bill, you showed me Andrew Tate for the first time. Yeah, because you like he's been trending. Oh, the top three Billy. Billy likes is a bigger top G. You like observing Andrew Tate like one would a zoo animal. Yeah. Just like study their habits and then maybe also pick up one or two of them. Yeah. Ironically.

But then it evolves into reality. He likes to study them and be like, wow. OK, Jake, this crocodile isn't letting the female crocodiles drive a car. I kind of dig them. The funniest thing ever that was Andrew Tate was talking about how bad women drivers are and his examples that he was giving are he's like, I've been in like a dozen car accidents and they're all with women.

It's like, wait, did you've been in 12 car accidents? You have been in 12 car accidents. Yeah. My hot seats watching the Philadelphia Phillies. So Keith Hernandez, the broadcaster for the Mets, he said on the Mets broadcast tonight that he asked SNY to not make him call games against the Phillies because he doesn't like watching them play.

Whoa. Talk about an alpha movie. I love Keith Hernandez. Yeah, he's he's crazy. Yeah. Did you imagine one day if I'm fortunate enough to call the NFL, they assigned me commanders, bears, just two teams and I'm like, no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you don't like watching play. Two random games.

They're totally random. Actually, if you ever are calling NFL games, you get the commanders and bears. Can you just before the game pull the cord on the truck so we don't have to watch it? Yeah, actually, that would be the nice thing. I'm going to give you a U-Haul filled with fertilizer. You can drive into the stadium beforehand.

Please, like, that would be the nice thing to do. Yeah, no, I would be working to spare the nation. Yeah. So I would never say no to any. Yeah. Yeah. But say no to that. Give me 16 Browns versus oh, in 16 lines. The two teams on a field together. Jake, you don't want to do that first.

That would be like I would start doing anal on their first scene. Like you don't. Where are you going to go? Where are you going to go? And you use a butt guy. Yeah. Come on. You got it. Come on. Where are you going to go? I would still enjoy it. It was a whole opportunity.

Jake said he would still enjoy it. Opportunity to get better. You know what, like there is a probably like a zero point zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, one percent chance that everybody involved with Thursday Night Football gets COVID during the week that the Bears are playing against the commanders this year. Yeah. And they're like, what can we do? Next man up.

And I hope I hope they play this clip. Yeah. And they're like, look how wild this is. They talked about it before. I'm ready to go. What a story that would be. And then and then you're whoever you're broadcasting with is like, so the anal thing is still on the table. And my cool throne, a popular guy on the podcast these days, Sean McVeigh. So after we put him on our Mount Rushmore,

he got a contract extension. Coincidence. Yeah. Well, no, no, no, definitely not. Yeah, obviously not. The ESPN also did a profile on him. The photo shoot. I know it doesn't help. Yeah. He also, I was reading it. That was his idea to pose like that.

His hands are behind his back. Yeah. His head. I was reading the profile and it was just like Sean McVeigh is a psycho. I was like, yep, we knew that. I don't like how I don't like how he got drunk and decided to trade away. Jared got. Yeah, that was my big takeaway from that was not cool. He was like, I had a bunch of tequila and then came home and I said, I got on FaceTime with the GM and said, we need to let our nuts hang.

Let's trade for Matthew Stafford. Yeah, it was a bad idea. They would have won the Super Bowl Super Bowl by more. Yeah. If Jared Goff was our quarterback. There also was an anecdote in it where he was moving houses like he was upgrading and it was basically, you know, his life is changing. He got married and I guess he didn't want to move. He his wife didn't want him to move the basketball hoop, the pool hoop

to the new house. It's like, what's what's the point of being rich if you can't have a fucking hoop in your pool? Like that's fun. Yeah. So Sean McVeigh, I don't know. It's like Gordon Bombay. Put the fucking beach ball out on the ice or get a second get a second pool. Yeah, just for like full court.

Yeah, pool basketball. Yeah, get a slam ball court, too. Hell, yeah. Why not? It's a whole point of it. OK, good job, Jake. Are you guys ready for Jake Plummer? This was an awesome interview. Oh, I wanted to say one thing before we get Jake Plummer.

Jake texts me after. So the umbo company that he owns, the bars, he forgot to mention, he co-owns it with her shot Evans, former UFC I think he had a belt. Yeah, he was a huge UFC guy. So they're doing that together. Check it out. We should have a shot on some time.

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And now here's Jake Plummer. This great week interview is brought to you by Kors Light. We are, we're welcoming on the man, the myth, the legend. It is Jake the snake plumber. We are in, I don't even know what is, is this a mushroom refrigerator? I don't know what the technical term is for where we are sitting right now. I want to set the stage for the people why they might hear some drilling or something in the background.

What's this room called? This is thanks for, thanks for being here, by the way, in my favorite room surrounded by the lovely Rashi mushroom, which is my favorite. This is a fruiting room, basically where we bring them out of the dark room that, you know, is low light, constant temperature, kind of cooler. It's trying to recreate what they would be under the ground in my, they're my serial network before they come out. And then we introduce oxygen and humidity.

And then they come out of the bags. Once we cut them open, they want oxygen. So they just come right out. It's beautiful. Yeah, it is. You said they're, they're Rashi mushrooms. What are Rashi mushrooms? Rashi or mushrooms considered the, the mushroom of immortality.

That sounds, I'm in. Yeah, a lot of vitality. There's a link from heaven to earth back in China. They call it Lingzi and the emperor would actually behead you if he found you going anywhere, but to the palace with a Rashi on your body. So they've been used in, in a lot of, a lot of spiritual work. The shamans, a lot of shamans. They've found buried have Rashi necklaces or Rashi on their, on their,

you know, in their tomb and where they've been buried. So very grounding mushroom, you know, very good for you really. I should say like a blanket over your central nervous system. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just a nice calming effect. And really one of my favorite mushrooms, the one I take every single day. It's helped me with, I don't have really bad allergies anymore. So yeah, we could go on and on, but this is a beautiful fruiting room.

One of three that we have here at Michael Love Farms. So we want to talk about everything. Jake, your football career, the mushrooms, everything. But we start every interview, grit week with a simple question. What does the word grit mean to you? And can you take it any direction you want? It's the worst when you're camping and you get some food, you take a bite and you start chewing and there's like somehow some campfire dirt.

Yeah, that's great. That is great. Yes, I think of immediately as just something like that. Yeah. What about in football terms? Grit is just like being got a tough, nasty showing up when you need to every time and like kind of being coarse and tough and getting after it. You know, when you have to change, you got to be able to dig deep.

Grit is where you got to go to. You got to go down and get that dirt. Yeah, yeah. That's good. Is there somebody that you played with in the course of your career that you would say like, that's the grittiest dude? Oh, man, there were so many. I mean, just guys that you could count on tough dudes that got it done.

Mike Anderson was a guy I played with a running back, full back. I mean, just tough. They really, yeah, just solid X Marine. So he was like, he could go where he needed to go to get it when you needed it. You know, OK, it's fourth and one. We need this. I'm going to give it to Mike Anderson and Ruben Drones. Those are two running backs played with and Larry centers.

I mean, I could go on and on. Yeah, it goes in a lot of a lot of different depths with certain players. But when I think grit, grit to, I think kind of like kind of like not dirty in a bad like bad way, but in dirty and just like a guy that doesn't mind bloody dirt getting after it. Get that extra yard. Yeah, dog in a nasty. Yes. Yeah.

So I mean, your your career is fascinating. I want to start at the end, actually, because I was reading a story, the sports illustrated story that you had out, I don't like seven or eight years ago, talking about your retirement and you left on the table. John Gruden flew to you trying to get you. You got traded to the Buccaneers. You were going to make, you know, five million, six million a year. And John Gruden flies to Idaho to have a meeting with you and your wife

to try to convince you to play football. And you're like, no, I'm done. I don't really want to play anymore. And guys look at that and they're like, what is this guy doing? Like he's 32. There's, you know, it's a dream job for a lot of people. But you always seem to march to a different, you know, your own, your own, the beat of your own drum. What what went through your mind when you were like processing, like,

do I want to move to Tampa Bay? Do I want to keep this career going? Or I'm just I'm ready to walk away. Yeah. I mean, interesting lead up to that. And in 2005, we had our best season, my best season ever in the NFL. And we lost to the Pittsburgh Steelers and the AFC championship game. I had plans to go to the Super Bowl that year to be the MVP, to hold the trophy and on the stage, turn to everybody and say, hey, it's been a great ride.

Peace out. Oh, shit. I wanted I wanted to ring. I mean, that's what I was going for. I would wanted to win a Super Bowl. I didn't want to ring. I mean, I wanted to win the Super Bowl. Right. Five year old, six year old. That was my dream. So if I was going to do that, then I would be ready to be that dream done. Check that off. Let's go.

It didn't happen. So I came back that 10th season. Kubiak left. It wasn't the most smooth coming into the season. There was, you know, some miscommunication between me and Mike Shanahan. Yeah. And then I was made an example of being not committed to the team. And if you recall, that's when we drafted Jay Cutler in the offseason. So the crack in the crack had been formed right there of like, OK,

my team knew I was committed. My coach tell me you should go there more often. You look great in practice. So I took some time off to get ready for my 10th season, you know, and it didn't go so well. I ended up getting benched for Jay. Jay came in and played as a rookie. It was hard at first, but then I kind of realized like this is my this is my

time to enjoy this, enjoy these last five, six games, ride this out and then be ready to retire. And no one knew I'd already made my mind up during the season. And then New Year's Eve, when we, you know, we had the awful thing happen to Darren Williams. Yeah, that was kind of a real solid. Like, yeah, it's out. Get out of here. I'm done.

And that's crazy. So they traded you to the box. And so John Gruden could have come and said anything and you would have. Yeah, I was done. I was at the time with my fiance. We were getting married that summer. I was ready to start traveling. I was just done and you can't really take a break.

Right. You can. You could take a break and then retire and then come back. But I always thought that was kind of foolish. Like, why couldn't I have just said, Hey, let me go. I'm going to take a year, maybe two years off and come back and play for Kubiak down in Houston. Right. So that doesn't happen. Right. You can't break that, that, you know, continuation of the game.

Yeah. And I was ready to go and retirement. They had no chance. Yeah, they were sparking up the wrong tree of that money. So they traded for it. And you're like, no, I already told you, I wasn't going to play. Did he try to convince you? Oh, yeah, they pulled out all the stops. They it was like a recruiting trip again.

They came up, they were talking about donating millions of dollars to my foundation and like everything I could imagine, anything I wanted. And I was told I'm not I'm not going to play. I'm done. I just in my heart, I was done. It was time to move on. My body was beat up. I was I was not in good shape physically and mentally. Also, it was pretty much, you know, that that whole limelight

and being had social anxiety. I couldn't go out very many places without like, oh, great. Someone's looked at my looked at me. Here goes there goes the rest of my night. Right. Right. I can't hang out with my with with Tony or any of these guys on the team with any of my buddies, because now there's 15 guys coming over and infiltrating, coming to talk to me and my buddies all take off.

And it's like, yeah, you know, so it wore on me a little bit, like just the being in social settings. I respect the clarity, though, to know for a fact, because a lot of guys, I think they don't know when they want to retire. Yeah, it's always up in the air, but it seems like you had, you know, you were crystal clear, you knew what you wanted and you just did it. That's I think it's very cool. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, it was just something in my heart.

I felt was right. And I've always kind of gone on what's what I feel, you know, it was an 18 year old going to ASU. How did I know I just felt like it was a good place to go? Like never heard of ASU much. The coach said, if you come here, I've got the pieces in place to win a national championship. The only coach who told me that was Bruce Snyder.

I mean, in my gut, if he's telling me that, I want to see if he's right. But my gut also told me, go down here and make it make a name for yourself. Yeah, special somewhere where it hadn't been done in a long time. Yeah. So the drilling, by the way, like we said, we are in. This is the coolest backdrop we've ever had. So if you hear the drilling, it's worth it because you should watch on the YouTube. But PFT is right. Like a lot of guys, the saying goes, like the game retires you,

you don't retire from the game. I love the story, though, that your retirement press conference, you did it at the Denver Athletic Club. You gave your speech. You didn't let anyone ask any questions. And you walked down the hallway and played handball with your brother. Yeah. Is that exactly how it went? I mean, that's one of the coolest ways to retire.

Yeah, you know, I didn't want to make a big scene. I just wanted to go about my rest of my life and get moving on it. The only thing I didn't do is wear my handball gloves and my goggles when I think back. But I was like going straight in to get warmed up and go play. You know, it was just a time to move into a new phase for 10 years. I played at the highest level for four years prior to that. I played at the second, you know, in the pack 10.

And then, you know, since I was 12 years old, was playing football. So it took up a lot of my life. Yeah. And I was missing out on things. My cousins would get married or someone would get married in August. And I had the only guy not there. So it was pulling me to be with my family. It was pulling me to go explore the world, to go travel, because I really didn't couldn't cut loose when I was playing.

I felt like single or focused. Yeah. But once that was over and I wanted to get married and have some kids and I had life to go live football, it's always going to be with me forever. But but for me, there's so much more in life to go experience and do. You mentioned the pack 10 and, you know, playing for national championship. It was a funny moment on the bus because we're PFC and I are both 37. So I remember watching that Rose Bowl. Some guys on the bus are a little younger and I said a lot.

I was like, he was 100 seconds away from a national title. Everyone's like, wait, what? And it's like something that you were that close. The Rose Bowl, if you don't remember, Jake Palmer had a 11 yard touchdown run with like a minute and a half left to put Arizona State up for over Ohio State. Only they would have been the only undefeated team that year because Florida had lost. And you were that close. Is that I mean, like after that moment, after that run, where you like, this is it?

We got it. No, I was never really, I was never. I knew what the game was like. I've been in too many games where you oh, yeah, we got it. But the whole sideline, people were celebrating, screaming national champs. And I you don't see it, but you can see me on the bench standing up. I stood up on the bench because I was telling my teammates like, get the fuck away from me, get out of here. Right. We're this game made over.

Look at the clock. Are you kidding me? Yeah, I'll say we're national champs. It started pissing me off because it happened a couple of other times against U of A at home. Some alumni came behind the bench. We're beating them. There's seven minutes left. What happens there? Like a couple of the alumni. There's no better feeling than beating the U of A at home. I turn, I said, hey, I told them to get off the field and say, get out of here.

Yeah, bring that bullshit down. Yeah. My teammates, I was like, come on, but sure enough, the crack had happened. You let that down. So I never, I didn't stop. If you remember the tail end of that game, Lindsay Jackson caught a dig route and I was screaming time out. And by the time you hit the ground, it was zero, zero, the clock hit zero. But we were at about the 33 yard line. We could have tried to fill gold tie it.

Yeah, which would have been incredible because I think you got the ball back 19 seconds. Yeah, neither team wanted to stop playing that. Yeah, that was a phenomenal game. Yeah, beautiful day, missed real, real mystical. There's nothing better than the Rose Bowl. And just to be that close, I mean, you know, obviously it was a different era where the national championship, that's the other part of it. The national championship was decided by voters where it's like you don't even,

you know, there's a world where you could win that game and they wouldn't even vote you for. There would have probably been writers that voted for Florida. I know Florida State, a couple of the guys, I met them down at some events and they kind of pissed me off because they're like, Hey, man, thanks for losing that game. Yeah, what? Because right before they were going to play Florida State or yeah, Florida, you want to play for a state Florida saw that they if they win their national champs.

Yeah, right. Then if we beat Florida State, we're national champs. Yeah, had we won, there would have been a big dispute. Yeah, we were outright if you're 12 and oh, you're national. Yeah, you should be if you're the only undefeated team. You know, I trusted my instinct. I got from being a young kid at Capitol High School in Boise, Idaho to follow a coach that gave me the confidence that I needed. And we we almost won a national title.

Yeah, I believe that with the people around me, if I set my mind to something and they believe to we all like push for the same thing that anything is possible. Yeah, I'm now taking that into my real life. We're OK. What do we want to do here? Do we want to make millions of dollars selling mushrooms? No, not one bit. Do I want to bring this to people's attention and let them know there is a bet there might be a better way to approach your health and wellness? Yes. And I'm lining up with hundreds of other people that feel the same exact way,

which means something, you know, something big, something good is going to be around the corner. Yeah. Yeah, goodness, all goodness. It's great. Yeah, I do want to talk a lot about the mushrooms in a little bit. But as far as the football stuff goes, so you you're the big man on campus at ASU. You are like the guy there and then you get drafted to Arizona. Was there a part of you that was like, I would like to maybe get outside of this area, maybe not play in the same stadium. There's a lot of pressure that goes along that, you know,

like people that used to come watch you in college. They're asking for tickets, that sort of thing. Like, were you were you excited to play for Arizona or did you want to go somewhere else? To be honest, I wanted to go somewhere else. Yeah, I was ready to just experience a new city and maybe something bigger than Boise and then Tempe, something a little bit more, you know, a little more like a Chicago or New York or a big city, you know, a big, big city. I'd never lived in anything like that and I thought it would have been fun to get drafted.

But I also was looking for teams that I think, you know, I wanted to win a Super Bowl. That's really what I wanted to do. And it didn't become a part of like an actuality or an actual possibility until after my senior year, then I let that come in. But prior to my senior year, I wasn't going to ball that year to try to get in the league. Yeah, I had no concerns about the league. That didn't even matter to me. What mattered was winning the national title.

So I looked up before we do interviews. I'd try to look up like what I've written about someone. And I had, I said, Jake Plummer is the greatest naked bootleg quarterback of all time. When you ran that play, when you ran play action, you're out there. Were you like, because I feel like your game, you loved throwing on the run. Were you, did it feel like, hey, let me get out in space. But I just, I just have memories of like Broncos, Cardinals, even Arizona State where it's like you're, you would get out there and it's like, oh, this is over.

Like Jake Plummer's got a space. Well, thank you for that. I loved, I loved doing that. I really can't be called the best because I never actually did it fully naked. Yeah. So I mean, I've been able to actually really fully. We have a football if you want to try. I might have to get that done here in the next little bit and get it on film

somehow and say, now I am definitely the best naked bootleg quarterback. It before it became something we really did very well here in Denver, which obviously we had a great running game. We had Lyman that were sacrificing their bodies, moving that stretch zone run. West Coast style, you know, that, that boot was just dangerous. And what Kubiak did was he rolled me to my left because not a lot of quarterbacks could throw a roll into their left. I actually felt like I could throw better rolling to my left.

I felt like I could create more torque, more velocity. But see, this all started on the, on the playground where it wasn't okay. We're running stretch boot left. It was, I'm not going to let you catch me. You're catching me. You're fast. I better learn how to throw on the run, running really fast. So that's how I learned how to do it.

And then it just became an art form after that. It was an art form. I loved watching you do that. Yeah. That was the play. It was, I mean, every, anything can happen. And it was a lot of fun to get out in space because then you could throw it or you could run and you could use your eyes really good too.

I could be looking back here, knowing that Rod's running a 20 yard comeback. And if I keep my eyes in here, all I got to do is go like that on the run. And it's nothing. It's a simple completion. And then if there's nothing there, you can tuck it and run. Yeah. Yeah. I've missed that part probably more than anything.

Rolling to my left, trying to thread one between a couple of linebacks. It was beautiful. I love to hear that. They're running full speed. And I think in the ball is going to rip right past their helmet to a guy right behind them. And the beauty of, you know, Mahomes, I think that's really a beauty of his is he throws him throws a ball from all different angles.

Yeah. Yeah. That that makes me very happy that like, if you had one thing you miss about football, it's like running the boot. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That was great. Just slow down for you when you're on the run, you're about to throw.

Not really. It's just everything's moving. So it's neat though, because I'm moving this way and they're all coming with me. So people think, how do you do that? Well, you're just throwing at a stationary target. Yeah, both run at the same speed. I'm throwing at he's stationary to me. If I same as if we stopped, right?

You know, it's different when you're stopping, they're running this way. You got to lead them. You got to anticipate when you're running on the boot. You're on the same, same parallel. You're just, so that was fun. It was when I scramble, that was when there would be some panic. Yeah, fear. Yeah.

Oh, shit. Where's anybody coming from? Cause you might think you're good. And all of a sudden, Paula Malu comes flying out from behind somebody and drills you. I always think that you looked even a lot cooler when you started to do the boot leg once you grew your hair up like that added an extra element to it. The flying out.

Yeah, it was like, there's a wild man out in space. Yeah, that's true. Good point there. I did that. You know, that was that was a year after when Pat got killed and everybody just was so, you know, struck by him and his, his genuineness as far as like his patriotism and going to the fight for our country. But really before that, he was such a unique individual that imprinted, left a

huge imprint on all of us teammates, friends. So I, I just started going my hair out and I had my beard going and I saw his, his widow Marie and she's like, wow. And she was touching my face. Like you kind of resemble Pat just cause of the beard. So I was like, God, I can bring her some comfort, give her a hug. And then I just, I started doing it. And then people wanted to talk shit about it.

I just said, well, I'm doing it for Pat. And then they, yeah, that's why I grow mine out too. It was for Pat. So a lot of people talk about Pat. And when they talk about him, a lot of focus, I think deservedly. So it is paid to, you know, his final acts and his military service. But you knew him. You were great friends with him for years before that.

What was he like as a person, as a friend? He's one of, he's, you said it right there, a friend. I mean, he really was a, you say you have friends and you guys know probably who your, your friends are really when times matter and something happens. You get phone calls or you get someone stopped by. Those are your friends. And Pat was like that to so many people. He really had a, a real special way of, of connecting with people.

Anybody. I mean, you go on ASU's campus, you could find 10, 15 people that would be obscure on the back walls, janitors, whatever you say, just in the, in the shadows that, that probably knew Pat at a deep level because he just was intrigued with humans. And when he would sit down with you, he was genuine and authentic and extremely knowledgeable, very well, could think for himself, never was thought for. And yeah, it was a great friend. He called me before he left for his last deployment to check on me after I'd gone

through a pretty monumental change, almost got married. It didn't work out. He was calling to check on me to see how I was doing when a real friend would have been calling him or going to see him again. I might not see you again, right? You're going to war really. You're not just going to play the buck in ears. Right.

You're actually going to war. Did you, did he talk to you at all? Before he made the decision to leave the NFL and so, so were you shocked at all? Were you like, no, that's Pat. No, I had some insight from my team made of mine that his brother and Pat had talked, his brother had been in special, special forces and special ops. And so he talked with him. And so before the decision was made, this coach at the time came and said,

you need to talk to Pat. He's about to do something, you know, kind of crazy. It's like, well, yeah, that's Pat tell me what's up. He's like, well, he's thinking about going into base training and becoming a ranger. I was like, okay, I mean, what do you want me to do? Right. I'm not going to stop him.

He's going to do it. He's going to do it. I mean, if his fiance, Marie, his wife, before, you know, hadn't gotten married, if she can't, I think they'd just gotten married. She can't tell him to stop him and what am I going to do? So just what I prayed for him and wished him, you know, the best I could, you know, to go over there and come back safe. Sad that he didn't come back.

Um, he's left a huge impression on so many people and definitely inspired a lot of humans. I try to, I try to not talk too much about Pat because I feel like he lived his life at such a high level. Um, for me to talk for him, I'm trying to raise my game. So I can actually be at that similar level. You could never be at a level of someone like him, but in my own way to try to be authentic, genuine and real, carry on his tradition that way, not by like trying

to hike every 14 or in the world. Yeah. But that's, that's cool. I respect that because there's, you know, when you have a hero and everyone's talking about it, there's times when it feels like certain people are trying to almost take advantage of their legacy and like step in for their legacy. And like, that's a true friend to be like, yeah, he was one of my great friends. When our past presidents trying to use him in some way or shape or form, it's

like, oh, yeah, you know, well, yeah, Pat might have really loved Trump. I don't know. Yeah. You can't speak for a while, but you never know. He might have like had some respect in some way for him, maybe not his ideals and his, his, his way about things, but just his, I think Pat would have, weirdly enough, respected Trump for the fact that he didn't really, he did what he wanted to do.

Right, right. In life. What do you do? Oh, I'm not going to go do that because you don't want me to. That's a life of misery. Yeah, yeah. Even though I'm not a fan of our past president, but you know, who knows what Pat would have thought, but yeah, I just think for yourself, you know, move and

do the things you want to do. I also know Pat on the, on the other side of like, not this hero, but down, down a dirty life, you know, so your teammate, he's just, it gave me a much more of an appreciation for these soldiers that sacrificed their lives and sacrificed their livelihoods to go fight for the freedom for our country. And then when you see that pictures of these dead soldiers in the paper, it just resonated more of like, that's somebody else's best friend. That's someone's son.

Yeah. That's some other badass dude that wasn't a football player, but is still making the world a better place. So Pat used his stage and now he's, he's a legend to have been tight friends with a legend. Like, you know, that's amazing. Yeah, I'm, I'm blessed. I miss him, but I'm going to try to, you know, one of these days I might see him

if I eat enough mushrooms, not these ones. These are non-psychedelics. Yeah, but let's talk about some of the mushroom stuff though, because that's a good segue. I mean, it's, I was actually thinking, I was like, how are we going to segue out of this because you did it for us. I was going to ask you, my other segue was going to be, remember that time you flipped off the Broncos fans, what happened there?

I had, I had a funny letter. I just got a letter from a lady who was like, sent that little clip and then told me a whole story of how I, I did all these bad things to her in 1991 and Tempe. And I'm like, that's weird. I didn't get to Tempe till 93. I got this letter from some lady who has assumed that this person that did all these wrong things to her was me, but that's crazy. Yeah.

The finger, I mean, that I, I feel like I, I like. Those moments, because I always think like we put athletes in a, in a spot that they, like they're humans. They have a bad day at work. Human emotions happen. Like, you know, I don't, you probably don't follow like baseball very closely, but there was a Phillies player this year who the fans were booing him. And he's like, you could see him whispering.

I fucking hate this place. And then afterwards they interviewed him. He's like, yeah, I said it, like I was having a really bad day and it sucked. And like I was pissed off that I was had a bad day. And so like those moments flicking people off. I, I don't know, I respect it. They just put some weird pressure on athletes. Like we were just supposed to be happy and perfect all the time.

Right. If anything, it just shows that we're going through it too. You know, I'm feeling it, but if you step up for what you do and you say, you know, I got caught in the moment and didn't do that, right? That was the wrong reaction. Hopefully I don't do it again. Um, they train us though, to react. They don't really train us how to deal with that kind of stuff.

So when you are in the moment and you're, you're in it, you might not think, oh, wait, this might hurt my sponsorship deal with Xfinity. Like nah, you're like, yo, you're saying some raunchy stuff. How come you're saying this raunchy stuff and wearing Broncos attire? Right. I got something for you. I'm going to fix my hat. Just happened that the camera was right on me.

So yeah, you know, I slipped up, but they don't train us for that. And then when you get done with the game, they're not helping you decompress from that, um, that kind of masculine, like react. I'm going to kick your ass. You mess with me. You mess with us, you know, that, that's like we're programmed to react and not necessarily think and, and take a few minutes to think something through. Right.

Yeah. So what was that like? Because I think you're a hundred percent right that if you, if you play professional sports, especially in the NFL, like there's so much aggression every day, you, you live in a sink or swim world. If it's against your opponent or if it's somebody that is coming up behind you that might take your job, you have to be aggressive. You have to be violent all the time and violence gets rewarded.

But then after you leave, what was that process like for you? Like you said decompressing, but leaving that environment where it's competitive all the time. And now it's just like, okay, blank slate, go do what you want to do. Yeah. You know, handball was a big part of that. It was something active that I could go do and I could hang out with the guys. We could sit around, you know, at the club and the place where I played in Sam

point, we could have a few cold ones afterwards, which was really nice. So I didn't miss that camaraderie. And I think a lot of guys, they just don't fill that void with anything except football again, you know, and sometimes that just keeps igniting the beast, you know, especially if you didn't walk away from the game. Like I walked, I took off, I ran away. Actually, I was healthy enough to run away from the game, you know, to choose and not play is very rare in the NFL when there's people that would do anything to

play. So a lot of times they're dealing with that, like being told, I don't like you anymore. You're no good. Right. There's someone better, even though he's not, we're going to tell you who he is and make you feel like you're no good anymore. So guys, some guys go and they take care of that post career and they work through

that and they, you know, get counseling and they go through a lot of them, get our bankrupt, get divorced and fall into, you know, hopefully not fall into anything bad or some addictions because what do you, what do you feel that void with? And so for me, I feel that with handball, I moved up to Sam point. I did coach high school football and that was a beautiful thing to see, you know, a little Billy with his chin strap tightened and I'm like, you're, you're ninth grade or you're never, you know, I'm going to see the field, but he was

right there ready, you know, it brought back that love of the game. You know, these kids played it because they weren't going to college. They played it because they wanted to go hit somebody and get out some aggression and playing under the lights on Friday night. You know, that's a good feeling. So it brought that love back to me, that feeling of why I played football. Um, you know, I traveled a lot and I, you know, but I didn't do any spiritual work.

I didn't do any real deep dives. I didn't do anything that I, if I, if I had a recipe for that, I would go back and do all that so that I would have found my path a lot sooner. Instead of, you know, down the road, I'm on a great path now, but it took, took some tough times. Yes. So handball, how did you get into handball? Cause I, I remember even when you were playing football, I knew like Jacob or,

uh, I knew Jake Plummer also outstanding handball player. Yeah. It was a game my dad played. He was an Idaho state champ and a Washington state champ back in the day and the opens. And so he played it, uh, where he worked. They had a handball court and he picked it up by some friends and then he taught, you know, all of us.

I mean, I was a baby crawling around onto the court, chasing the ball when he was, when he was playing in tournaments. And so my brother's both played and naturally I played and it was a off season kind of like we'd see my dad, we'd try to play some handball together. And I played in tournaments when I was 12, 13, 14, it was a mental mess cause it's a hard, hard game. But then as I progressed through high school, I didn't play a lot. College, very little at all.

And then when I got to the pros, I got reintroduced to the game a little bit as an off season conditioning and just really the lateral movement, the spatial awareness, the mental toughness, hand-eye coordination. And you have to use your left side. So it brings back balance to your body. Uh, you know, it became a really good way for me to, to go out and kind of do something in the off season instead of golf every day and go work out in the weight room and then go run on a field when it's 110 out.

Like I got sick of that stuff. So handball was a chance for me to cross train. Yeah. I mean, I, when I first read the story, like, Oh, Jake Plummer is like a really good handball player and you were, I think we were trying to go like pro, right? Like there was a moment that you were, they were using me for the game, you know, the game was using my, but it helps game.

Yeah. I got to play with some pros, but no, when I play a pro and they would go three quarters, they'd beat me 21 to one. If I happen to maybe get a serve and get a point on them, they're, they're good. It's like a pro golfer. Yeah. Yeah. You can golf and shoot in the eighties and you go with a golf.

These guys are good, you know, different level. So no, I never was trying to be a pro. I just was out trying to get some light shed on a great game for these kids that are singularly focused, focused on one sport. And maybe they're already specializing in age 14. I'm like, God, come play handball. Yeah. So I taught a lot of kids how to play handball and they might not play

again until they're in college. So I got God when I read the story, because it was the story like he's trying to become a professional handball, but I mean, it was good for handball because I didn't even know, I always think handball, like there's the Olympic sport where they're running around and throwing it. Then there's also just, uh, like the guys who play just, it's almost like squash, just one wall. Your handball is all four walls.

Well, there's four wall, there's three wall. Yeah. There's one wall. So you would play four wall, right? Yeah. I just played in the three wall tourney this weekend. So four wall, you can just hit it off any, like, I, yeah, I'm it's same rules as five.

Yeah. Same rules as racquetball. You gotta let it bounce once. And when you hit it, it has, whatever it does, it has to hit the front wall. Okay. So you hit the back wall and then go to the front wall. Yeah. There's other little intricacies involved in that.

Like sometimes it can't hit four walls at once on a serve or you got to, but it's basically just like back in grade school and you'd have a ball and a wall and a buddy. And you just play ball. Yeah, I really want to go in some beer and guys are like, I mean, the crew I was with this weekend, it was like 95 degrees out. All they did was play handball and drink beer all day long. Awesome.

So it's racquetball, but no racquet. Just your hand. Yeah. I use both hands. Yeah. It sounds so cool. It's a lot of fun. It's tough sport.

It's definitely like racquetball is appealing to everybody, but handball definitely is only appealing to those that kind of like to get after it. Yeah. That's a grit. I mean, I'm in a hundred percent. Yeah. So, so now you've transitioned into, into, are you a mushroom farmer? How should we describe what you did here?

I'm just, I'm a myco lover. Okay. And I just love mushrooms. Um, before the pandemic, a good buddy of mine, Del Jolly, who I had worked with at Charlotte's Web, if you recall, Charlotte's Web was the hemp oil company that Charlotte Fiji was a little girl who had, uh, Dravet syndrome and she was not doing well with seizures. Her mother and her father fought hard to find the medicine and get it to her.

Even though they were breaking the law federally, they still administered it to her and the Stanley brothers went and found a bunch of hemp out in Kansas along the ditch banks and started extracting it and giving it to them and made a really highly potent, very, very, um, you know, worthwhile beneficial oil. And so we did the work there already on a plant that was highly misunderstood. And, and not many people knew the difference between THC and CBD or, you know, hemp, I should say, um, real similar minus the high. It's like a psychotropic high you get from smoking marijuana or THC, but hemp

has tons of benefits together at the right levels, uh, a very potent medicine. Yeah. So the mushroom farming, um, so let's first say the website so everyone can go check it out. Yeah. We're sitting here at Michael love farm, which is myco love dot farm. Yeah. M Y C O love dot.

Yes. So myco means mushroom and then my Colorado, since it's local and you got CEO could stand for a lot of stuff. So myco love dot farm is where we're at now, where we are growing medicinal, functional mushrooms, turkey tail, lion's mane, reishi and cordyceps. These are new to a lot of the population here in the States and Western medicine, but they're long, longstanding remedies and, you know, cures for a lot of stuff back East and in China and Asia.

They've been using, you know, these beautiful fungi forever. It's an entire kingdom. So when you are, we say queendom, but they have their own kingdom. Are they female fungi? Yeah. They're just, they're the mamas of everything. Yeah. Cool.

So, so what does it do? Like what is, uh, the, the mushroom, it's extract, right? It's oil that you're selling. Yeah. It's a, it's a dual extract, alcohol, water. Yeah. So what does it do? Like what, what are the benefits?

Like what if, you know, I'm very interested in this, the fungal kingdom is, you know, they say anywhere from 2.2 million to 3.8 million of any sort of fungus around the world. And we've only discovered and identified a fruiting bodies about 100 plus thousand. So we're just scratching the surface on what could be out there in the world. And if you believe that mother earth provides everything for us, humans to balance everything out, I believe that the fungal kingdom has everything we need in it to, to balance out any of the ailments or disease,

disease that we have here in, in our country and in the world. So when you're working with these mushrooms, you know, they all do different things, but they all basically do the same thing, you know, they're here to help us. Yeah. So reishi is one that helps with anxiety, the nervous system. It's the mushroom of longevity. You know, there's, you know, the mushroom of immortality helps with longevity,

vitality, all sorts of stuff. And so in the world, we're under stress constantly. These lights right now are sending stress to us. So if you can protect yourself and put just something in your body that's a preventative form of, of maintenance, just like you put oil in your car and you put high lead, high lead gas in your car. Cause you want that thing to run well, we should do the same to our body. And that's why I take reishi every day.

Yeah. I was watching this documentary a couple of months ago about mushrooms and I didn't realize how complex the network of mushrooms on earth are. So they were making the statement that like mushrooms act as the earth's central nervous system almost where they pick up and changes in, uh, in the climate and the temperature and a lot, you know, the soil, all sorts of things. And then they actually communicate with other mushrooms through this complex, like nerve network underground.

Is that, is that, am I describing it correctly? Cause it blew my mind when I first heard about it. The, the, the mycelial network underneath the ground. And then the mycorrhizal network that goes into the roots of all plants, all living plants have a little thread, single cell hyphae of mycelium going up inside of them that communicates with the mother. Come on. It's one, it's one whole thing.

And that's why it's beautiful. Cause these things, these grow in nature, but we're able to do, do the same thing, replicate with an oak and soy holes combined together with some water to make a substrate that's basically like making a tree that would have fallen in the forest. And then they come and decompose. They're the main, they're the big decomposers of everything that dies. Yeah. Um, they breathe in oxygen and breathe out CO2.

They don't photosynthesize the sun and they eat dead things. So there's a few similarities to humans. Yeah. Also, uh, but they're very bioavailable. Lion's mane is great for your brain for neuronal growth, basically for all, all neurons in your body. Uh, lion's mane is one that we're going to have a lot of research done here soon. That's going to show that it's a, it's something that everybody should have in

their daily regimen. It enhances your dream state too. So you're dreaming pretty, pretty amazing dreams. Not like crazy, wacky, psychedelic type, but just like, like a dream like this, like I'm in a room with mushrooms and a bunch of guys filming me and like, I'm here and I'm in it. And I'm feeling like I'm there being interviewed. No, I'm literally feeling like I'm going to dream right now.

So I think it's definitely a dream. In a mushroom room, sometimes I feel the same way. Yeah, we're on a great week to wake up. There's going to be millions of people maybe that listen to this. We've already done this interview. I'm about to wake up because I, we took some lions made with us. And so this is actually Wednesday already. We got to talk about the show.

This is a dream. This is a dream. It's a great dream though. Yeah. No, it was turned on the right road. Yes. To get here. Yeah.

Just controlling you. Yes. Got you here. So we're all fucked up. I'm not alive. I'm actually along the same lines. Like, let's get into a little bit. Cause do you feel at all like you were destined to have this life that you've had?

Because I read a little bit about you growing up and you were giving the nickname Jake, your name's not actually Jake. Which is, which is weird, but you were giving the name and you love Jake. Uh, you look, who was it? It was Jake. The snake. It was, uh, Ken Stabler. Ken Stabler gave it to Jake, the snake, Jake, the snake to this Jake.

So, so like modeling, you know, ever since you were a kid, you looked up to Ken Stabler, you were an outstanding quarterback all the way through high school, go to Arizona state. It feels like you've had like a perfect line from when you were a kid to what your career has been and where you're at right now. Do you feel like you were ever destined to do that? I've taken my hand off the wheel really. Just see where it goes.

Um, as I was saying with the work with, with CBD, it, it showed me the power that not power, not in a bad way, but the influence and power we have as athletes. If we stand in our truth in our, and really stand with our heart open and communicate to people, we can help change the way they approach their health and wellness and how their lives are. So through the Charlotte's web, we affected a lot of people. We affected a lot of people in a positive way. So I felt like, wow, what a gift.

You know, how do I do that now and actually do that in my own life? Like I'm doing this, but I'm still struggling with things. I'm still trying to find my path. So hands off the wheel, the pandemic hits and then mushrooms come into the picture by my buddy, Dale Jolly, who kind of showed me like, Hey, this is nature. And I've always been about nature. And I grew up in sawtooth mountains as a young kid. We've always been backpacking and I find my piece of mind when I'm sitting by a

stream or in trees or out in the mountains in the woods or around living, growing things. And so this just came around as another opportunity to take a misunderstood kingdom and educate people on the difference between psilocybin and lion's mane. Lion's mane does almost the same thing. psilocybin does some research that shows this, that it does most of the same stuff, clarity wise, focus your senses, but without the psychotropic eye.

So it's like, these things are so diverse. I can't tell you anything other than what I know and have experienced. And I know a lot more than you guys, but I know about that much compared to Paul Stamets or Robert Rogers, who've been doing this for 30 plus years. They are, they are mushrooms themselves walking around their mushrooms. They're spreading the spores. So I've been, you know, the path that I've gotten to no way did I ever expect to be farming mushrooms in Fort Lupton and extracting them.

And then also working with umbo, another get umbo.com. You can go there to check out our bars that have two and a half grams of mushrooms in them to try to introduce them to people because most people like, Oh, I don't like mushrooms. They're gross. All right. We'll try this bar. It's got two and a half grams of mushrooms of functional mushrooms in it.

Wow. This bar is amazing. In fact, it's better than the bar I've ever tasted on the market. Perfect. Well, buy this bar, check it out. Yeah. Now we're introducing another something that we've, we've eliminated from our complete diets for hundreds of years.

When we evolve, we ate mushrooms. It's a no brainer that that's one of the food sources we had wherever you went. Come with me to the mountains and we'll go find some shantrails. There's food being grown by, by Pacha mama, by mother earth for us. This is just remembering old knowledge. And so it's fun to be again, taking something misunderstood and bringing it out to the people to make them kind of scratch their head and go, what the hell? And then they're, Oh, Jake, Jake, Jake, he's not a wacko.

He knows his stuff. I respect him from his days, you know, how he left the game. I'm going to check this out. So it's an intense, an intensely, like I'm, I'm very humbled by the ability to bring this to people because I've already felt and had many people's lives change already just by being able to get a better night's sleep. Yeah, yeah. Damn, I'm sleeping again.

Yeah. Really sleeping. I'm like, yeah, what else has happened? Like I'm up early now. I'm jogging now, man, I'm being my wife or smiling at each other. I'm like, things can change, but you just have to be ready to, you have to be open to it. And I don't want you to force it on anybody.

I'm just here to go, Hey, this is me. This is what I'm doing. Check it out. We should say now specifically, maybe just for Billy, but for anybody out there that might be like Billy, that doesn't mean that go into the woods and just find a mushroom and eat it. No, no, no, I want to make that part there. Good point.

Yeah, there's, there's so diverse. I mean, there's some that look exactly the same, but you have to do a spore print to know if you can eat one or the other. Yeah, what's that like? Yeah, you take the cap of the mushroom off and set it on a piece of paper and then put a cup over it. You can do white paper or black paper depending because some spores, you look around, there's a few spots where they're dark or they're light.

So yeah, and then it just leaves. Every mushroom has its own print. Okay. Wow. Every human has our own finger. It's like a snowflake. It's kind of funny. There's another, there's another similarity.

Yeah. Humans, I think you've, you've successfully convinced me that, that we're related to mushrooms. I hope I can turn into one. Listen, I'm going to say is one like Mario and throw up to be seven feet tall. Back every year in the forest, come find me and eat me big. There's dad. The, I mean, just based off vibe checks, I would say you got to like check

this stuff out because you as a, like your aura or vibe is just a very relaxed, sure, assured person who's just like, you know, this is my life. And like I said, the fact that you walked away from the game when you could have played and made millions more, it's also, you're kind of a trailblazer because it's happening now. Like guys are doing it now, but when it happened with you, it was like, what the hell's wrong with this guy? Yeah.

Thanks for noticing that and saying that. That's very nice. And, you know, I'd never had a plan in place. I didn't plan to go to ASU and stand up after the season and call out the entire team as a, as a 170 pound freshmen saying, we could play better and these seniors, they need us right now. Like I didn't, I didn't have that plan. It just happened, you know, and so this is just another thing that's just

come my way. I'm not a mycologist. I can't tell you everything about these things, but I got people surrounding me just like a great team, like I did when I played ball. I could do what I could do, but I needed a good right tackle. I needed a good punter. I needed somebody that would come and clean the locker room after we made a mess, you know, so we could come back and have fresh, clear minds.

So I'm building the team and I'm not necessarily the quarterback, but I'm just a part of it that's helping drive this thing. And if I can be authentic and genuine in how I approach this, then I believe that we're just going to help people become a little aware of a different way to look at life sick and tired of being sick and tired. Yes, check it out. Check out get umbo.com and Michael love. Farm.

Yeah. If it doesn't work, hey, yeah, whatever. Yeah, it's interesting because I think big cats, he's right. If you talk to any of your former teammates, they all love you. Yeah, you've got a good relationship with them. I'm curious to know, like when you got, when you got to the league and it looks like you're probably going to be starting and you get into that first game, it's your first time in the huddle.

Did you, I know that you didn't have anything planned out because you're not a plan out guy. Like you said, it's just like, like hands off the wheel. But do you remember what you said to the guys for that first time? Because making that first impression, I would have to imagine at that level in the huddle with another group of professionals is like that can be, you know, not a make or break moment, but that can have a pretty big impact on which direction things are going to go.

So do you remember what you said? Yeah, that's why I'm smiling. I know exactly right. We were in Philly playing a vet, the old veteran stadium. And so Kent Graham had been hurt that week prior. So Stoney K started and I was his backup. It's week seven or eight, I think. So yeah, I was like, man, I'm a playaway from getting in this game.

Holy smoke. So going into halftime, we were struggling. Coach says, Hey, we're giving you the reins. And so sure enough, the ball gets punted down, down on the two yard line in the bowl, in the bowl part of this, a veteran's stadium. And that was a whole circle. Yeah. So we're right down.

I mean, it's, it's they're getting after. I love, I love Philly. They say the nastiest, craziest stuff. Then after the game, they want to be your best friend and have you sign some stuff or whatever, but they're in it. So, and the cheesesteak sandwiches, too. Yeah, my cheesesteak. So I go into the huddle and I know exactly what I said, you know, I mean,

I was, I was ready for this. This was my chance to come out on the field and we're on the two yard line. What else did you say? I walked in and got into the huddle and I said, we're going to take this motherfucker 98 yards, who's with me? And they just like, yeah, that's all I said. So let's go. And meanwhile, I'm looking over at Larry Sinners because it's TV time out

and he kept looking at me like this. He's pulling his eyelid down. I'm like, you got something in your eye? He's like, no, I had the tiger, baby. I had the tiger. And then you, what was, what was 98 scored? I was going to say that would suck you through an interception. I came in and like, you know, yeah, these guys were needing some juice.

Yeah. So I just clueless came in and said, let's go. We threw like eight slant routes. That's all we threw slant, slant. And if it wasn't there, but we went down and we scored. I mean, this is the Arizona Cardinals, too, which up until you started playing like they hadn't had a lot of success, right? And you come in and you're like, we're going to take this motherfucker 98 yards.

And then they probably are like, this guy's a God. Yeah, that's God, God's players. It's not necessarily that. They just felt like, no, OK. Like he knew, like I feel like there's a chance now. You know, like he's going to bring the he makes me want to do this. You know, he may he they feel that energy, you know, and no offense to Stoney or Kent. But they, you know, when you get drafted in the second round,

there's pretty good chance you're going to play, especially for an organization that had really hadn't had a franchise quarterback or someone to hang their hat on. Yeah, that that that year was big. 98 was huge. Yeah. We saved that team from being the L.A. Cardinals. I mean, yeah, they were L.A. The L.A. Cardinals, if not for 98. Yeah, go to the playoffs.

So you the last the that was your first time being a backup. The next time you were back up was your last game, right? And I read the story. It's very funny. So it's a great story. Everyone should read it on Sports Illustrated. But Jake essentially tells a story that he's the backup at first. He was upset that he was a backup.

But then he realized, like, hey, why don't I enjoy this? Like, I'm going to go out and enjoy the fans eating hot dogs at halftime. So you get in the last game and you were just like, fuck it. I'm just going to throw it deep and see what happens. No, not at all. I was rolling to my left and saw Javon Walker taking a break, going deep. And so I let it let it go. I mean, I think it ball traveled 50 plus yards in the air.

Right. When he was coming down, he got tripped and the guy came flying in and picked him off. So that was my last throw in the NFL. Yeah, which I'm fine with. Yeah. Right. Like I came to the league to try to make a play. And that's what I told when I walked by Shanahan, he's looking at me like, what? I'm like, trying to make a play, coach. We're going to sit down on the bench and bet my coach,

QB coach Pat McPherson comes over and he starts to pull something out. I was like, yeah, you could get it. You go ahead and get get out of here. I'm not talking to you anymore. I don't need to tell you what I was doing. I mean, I was trying to make a play. I wanted to win the game. Jesus, I put me in the game.

We win that game. We go to the playoffs. I mean, just no offense to Jay either. It's just that was my team. Yeah. When I came back out, that energy was still there. Yeah, I felt it. And it felt good to kind of like my last curtain call was. I hate making my left kind of make a play. That's I threw 161 TDs in the NFL.

And I also threw 161 intercepts. Oh, wow. That's sick. That's the definition of trying to make a play. I mean, I came out even, man. I made a lot of good ones and some bad ones. You are the ultimate hands off the wheel guy. Like that's so perfect that the universe ended your NFL career on that play.

Yeah, the same amount of touchdowns is in yourself. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, it's kind of funny. They were about a good 10 of those. Maybe maybe a little more were Hail Marys at the end of the first half with the Cardinals. Right. So keep in mind, I didn't throw it out of the end zone like a lot of QBs would for their rating. I was like, come on, let's get this TV.

We're trying to make a play. Hail Mary, I'm trying to make a play. I put it into the end zone and there'd be a defensive guy would pick it off. So at least 10 of those, even Dave Brown, my backup was like, dude, throw those out of bounds. I'm like, are you kidding me, man? If we get a touchdown going in, we come out, we get another touchdown. We're only down by 14.

So the 28 we got down by 14 like that. I mean, I never gave up till the clock was over. So that's awesome. That's what my teammates loved. Is that I think that I just never let them be complacent. Right. How weird was it playing in the NFC East in Arizona? That's crazy, man. Played some tough teams in some tough places.

We traveled a lot, we flew a lot. Those late, like the late game in Philly or New York, you get back early morning to Arizona and five and a half hour plane ride. No wonder these guys are wanting drugs after the game. I mean, you can't hardly just sit anywhere. And then you got to sit on a plane for five and a half hours. I mean, it was that was really tough. Yeah. Yeah.

All right. So I had one last question. It's a rowback question. Promo code take, Q zips, polos, everything. Go to rowback.com. R H O B A C K dot com promo code tape. This has been awesome. I wanted to I read a story and I want to confirm it because the guy doesn't get a lot of good publicity right now.

Hugh Jackson. So clearly, you know, things didn't go well for him in the Browns, but I read the story that Hugh Jackson was the reason you went to Arizona State. Is that a fact? Not no, he was a running backs coach when I got there. I loved him. I mean, we were tight right off. Any coach that as I'm handing the ball off to the running back,

he's running behind them through the holes, like helping them hone their vision. You know, I loved him, his energy and everything. But then he coached me, let me see, my junior year. He was my quarterback coach. And that's a year I went from kind of, you know, kind of a sloppy mess into like, I look, I was legit. Yeah, he legitimized my drop, my footwork, my delivery, efficient, everything. I just got he was amazing.

So fun to play for and to be coached by. And yeah, he did it. He didn't do as well as people think and cleave them. But who the hell has? Yeah, that's true. They didn't win games, but they were in games. Come on, man, you know, you can't coach like he wanted to coach without full reins. Yeah.

There's lots of, you know, backstory that goes into that. But I've always been a huge, huge, huge Jackson supporter. Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, thank you so much. This has been awesome. Right on. Is there anything else you'd like the audience to know about about the mushroom business about what you do?

I should tell you what, can you do your top three mushrooms? Because you said you said that this one was number one, right? Yeah, you got to go with the Rashi. It's definitely it's not a gourmet. You can't eat it. So you could, but it's real fibrous, very tough. You wouldn't want to eat Rashi mushroom, but taking the tinctures is definitely good for your whole body.

Lion's mane is amazing and gourmet wise cooking that is it's so good. It's like never had anything quite like this. It's like seafood in a way, kind of like fish fish without being fishy. Right. And then after that, I don't know how to pick one after that. I mean, I would probably say turkey tail, which again is not one that's edible. It grows on hardwoods and it's extremely useful in antioxidant and prevent prevention for cancer. They use it to treat cancer in Japan.

Use it as an additive to cancer treatment, which helps a lot of the people going through cancer and radiation come out a little healthier. So that's another one that's just packed full of a lot of immunomodulating things, immune system, fight things off. But those are probably my top three to take out and out and about. I mean, yeah, it's hard to say. I mean, I love witches, butter. It's a little orange gelatinous thing that comes out of trees that is really good for your respiratory system.

Tremella. That's cool. They call it. Tremella mushrooms have such cool names. Yeah, they're with a latin, which is butter. Those are all the. Aaron Rogers loves witches butter. So it's all good. You know, there's so many mushrooms out there. But I would say if I had to pick one, because you can eat it is lion's

lion's mane's amazing. Yeah. Heresium marinesis is one strain. We could we grow here. It's a beautiful mushroom. Yeah. You've yet to find out how good it can be for our brains. Possibly, you know, have might have some positive effects

on the prevention of Alzheimer's and dementia with its neuronal growth powers. So yeah, I'm a full firm believer in the fungal kingdom. I'm excited you guys are here to shed light on this and anybody out there again, you know, check out Michael love.farm and get umbo.com for some good products. Yeah. So that's on the market. Everyone check it out. One last last thing.

Do you have one play that you like that you're like, that was my favorite play? I always love to ask guys that like if there's one play that they the one play that maybe pops in your head at every random give you a play and then a throw. OK, my favorite play we'd ran a lot in Denver. I would boot out to the left naked and and Rod Smith X would run. Usually on the normal call, he'd run like a 20 yard comeback. He was basically going to clear it and then be there late if I needed to throw away or sometimes he'd be wide open.

We would run that he'd run an 18 yard and he'd sit and then go. And so I could still throw on the run. I could throw it as far as you needed 4550 yards. We killed people with that play killed them with that play. And I can't remember the full call. It's just X takeoff, you know, 34 naked left X takeoff. And he just run to 18 takeoff, killed them with that one. My favorite throw was a skinny post.

It's a glance or a bang eight, whatever you want to call it. And it was just fun to throw as you were five quick steps, hit that back foot and the triggers set. Yeah, there was no you had to read it. Sometimes you had to pull it back. But man, letting that thing go in a game and wisdom by guys who are looking at you. But it's like it's already by him. It's like that was one of my favorite throws. I love I also heard that you used to change.

You used to call out plays at the line of scrimmage sometimes. You like if you wanted to audible real quick, you would just say the name of the play and you wouldn't even like disguise it in 98. That's all we did. I called my whole offense from right at the right on the line of scrimmage. Damn, we went no huddle and I eight games I threw for 2,500 yards. That was when we made the playoff run. Mark Trestman was the OC coach.

I can't just call the place. He's like, those guys don't know any of those terms. By the time they figured out, we're snapping the ball. Right. That's the thing. It's like you can disguise the terminology, but the defense doesn't know your offensive play calls. So now they do, you know, now they know most of the terms of guys study so much. But yeah, it's the game hasn't changed that much.

It's still violent. It's still fun to watch. It's still going to be there, you know, years to come. College game might not, I don't know, depending on how they treat these athletes and with all this. You would have been an NIL King. Oh, yeah. Oh, man. Well, maybe my last year, yeah, that we didn't do a whole lot. Yeah. But I mean, still like in Arizona.

Jake, what would have been great would have been great is to have the funds to then take my team and take them out to dinner or bring them over to the house and have the coolest guys. You're so close. Take care of my cats. Hey, for so there were guys who had kids couldn't get shoes for their kids. You know, like it would have been nice to have that to help my team. Sure. That would have been a blessing for sure. Yeah. All right. Well, Jake Palmer, one of the coolest guys we've ever interviewed.

Yeah, thank you. Check out the website. A very fun guy. Yeah. Yeah, there we go. Great interview guys. Thanks for being here. Michael Lefond. All right, thanks, Jake. Jake Plumber was brought to you by Norton VPN. These days, you use your personal info to do just about everything, especially when you're online.

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We're doing the Mount Rushmore of universally loved things. Yes. Sorry. Mount Rushmore is on the hot seat now. Big time. Thank you to Jaylen Rose for putting it on there. We've gotten tagged in a lot of tweets being like, what are you going to say to this? Probably just going to keep doing Mount Rushmore till football comes back. I'm going to continue to grow as a person by that. I mean, once enough people start telling me to stop using it.

How are you going to do it? And then we'll just do top fours of all time. Fuck, I love my rush. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Jake, who sent this to you? This was a AWL sent this one in. Thank you. Appreciate that. Proper credit coming your way. Coming your way right up.

Congratulations to camp. Congratulations. 156. OK, congratulations. You got proper credit. Billy is getting a university love thing right now. We don't don't know where he is. Only on the back. Yeah, he's getting the course light.

You shouldn't be here. Yeah, he's basically been like our pack mule on this trip where it's just like if we don't want some to strap it to Billy's back. Yes, he also is probably going to come back with like two missing. Be like it was hot. They actually like low key. Like most of these six packs were missing some. So yeah.

All right. Whoa, Hank, be careful there. Oh, he's peaking. Hank's peaking. He's peaking. Dirty dog. All right, so we won dirty tricks after a bad bad showing. Yeah, we won again. Plenty great.

Why don't we go first and then, Hank, why don't you go second and we'll give Jake and Billy just a couple more seconds of time to hopefully get Billy here. So Jake, your list that you're about to unveil, is that just you or is it a collaboration list? I mean, I have my picks. I have his picks. So together we have a collab pick. But are you going to go with your picks or are you going to make?

See how the job goes. OK, all right. OK. All right. PFT, I sent you back. Yeah, yeah, I like this order. Yes. OK, all right.

Number one, one overall. Very good pick. Great pick indeed. Puppies. Very good. Puppies are universally loved. Jake. Jake loves puppies too.

I had that as my one one. Yeah. Oh my God, that's allergic. I had dogs as one one. Hank tried to get us unreal. He tried to get us a backfired. Yeah. Puppies are so universally loved that even people that will die from being in

the same room as them still adore them. Yes, I also love whenever someone on Twitter, like they'll be like a mass shooting or something. They'll be like, bad day. Like a lot of people got shot at work or school. Please send puppies. Yeah, well. OK, cool.

That will fix that. If like an entire warehouse full of puppies got shot, maybe some stuff would actually change. Yeah, that's true. That is true. I think actually. Like sadly. Yes, no, it's very sadly, but also true.

Yeah. But puppies, one one. Billy's here. All right, Billy. Yes, Billy. He's got the Coors Light. Billy, you didn't miss any picks. We did puppies one one, but you guys haven't picked yet.

Thank you for grabbing this Coors Light, Billy. Yes, Billy. Thank you. Puppies one one. Hank, team Hank, he had a meeting with his team at lunch. Yep. Yeah, we expanded. Yeah, we got Aria and Jonah here for the week.

Great week. So, you know, they were involved in the planning process as well. This that was one one is going to be like clapping back at people on Twitter. That was that wasn't. I think dogs was the one one. I think this is the obvious one too. Why did Billy just bring you clear eyes? Take a take a wild guess.

We're about to be at a meet and greet mean a lot of people. I mean, big cats getting big nugs dropped off left and right. That guy was the best. I mean, he just like big cat. I want you to have my biggest snug. I'm just I'm just I'm just shadowing, you know, just just trying to stay ahead of the stay ahead of the curve. But our one our first pick is head, head, head, head, like Nancy Reagan, like getting

your dick sucked or getting eaten out if you were a lady. OK, nice. OK, everyone like said. Yeah, hell yeah. Who doesn't? Yeah, who doesn't get I would lie. It's if there's someone that tweets me like I hate head like you'll suck him off. No, he proved to them.

Yes, you just haven't had it for me. Hank, well, if you don't like a blowjob, Hank will suck your dick dry. OK, good pick. Hank, thank you. You mean I think you should specify can I help you out getting head? Yeah, everybody likes not giving it. Yeah, this is a situation like thank you. Dana got when he claimed the king of blowjobs and he didn't realize that

when you call yourself the king of blowjobs, people could interpret it different ways. That is a good thing for that getting heads. OK, here we go. Sleep. Sleep. Everybody loves sleep. Well, not everyone, not alpha. It's not alpha pluses.

People. Not Russell Wilson. Yeah, likes to close their eyes at some point. Doesn't matter how long everyone likes to sleep at some point. Counterpoint. I don't necessarily like sleep. I like being well rested. Yeah, rest. I like I like the feeling after I sleep, but I don't know if I like

actually like while I'm asleep because I don't know. No one likes staying up all night and never being able to sleep. OK, right. Yeah, everyone likes to sleep. What about people who have like nightmares that torture them? It would Freddy Krueger's around. Yeah, what if you just every time you close your eyes, it's the scariest thing in the world. Well, guess what? Sleep is everyone needs it.

Everyone likes it. OK, everyone at some point, close their eyes and goes to sleep. All right. Well, we poke some holes through. But I don't think there are any holes. That's a good pick. Our next pick is going to be ice cream. Oh, ice cream. Yeah, that's a good pick. That's a great pick. It's a natural thing.

I think, you know, from from the time you're born to the time you die, you never get sick ice cream. Ice cream is the best. Shout out to lactose intolerant people. But that's actually a proof to ice cream. I feel like lactose intolerant people still eat ice cream. And they're like, I'll just be sick. They've made the ice cream for lactose intolerant.

Yeah, and they don't even care that it doesn't taste anything like the real thing. They're just like, yeah, feed me that garbage. It's still close to ice cream. Yeah, but I I I guarantee you like there are people that reply to me tomorrow. They're like, yeah, I'm lactose intolerant. But I like it's like a dog in chocolate. Like I'll just I know kill me, but I'll still eat it. That's how good it is.

This would have been my one one. I know there are some, you know, some haters in this panel. But our second pick is vacations. Good pick. We had it on the list. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone likes them. Everyone loves them. Everyone likes going on vacation. Yeah, I would other people that you work with go on vacations,

but going on one yourself, that's great. Yeah. That's good. Good pick. Good pick. Thank you. OK. PFT, why don't you I love it when you go with number three. I actually disagree. Yeah. And then you go with number two. Yep. Perfect. Perfect.

All right. Great draft. Yep. I'm feeling really good about it. Really good. Our second pick, we're going to go with music. Mm hmm. Everyone loves music. Yes. Now, it's not necessarily the same type of music, but music. Music is universal. Imagine the world without music.

Scary place. Yeah. Music makes a movie great. Any type of music, live music. It makes getting head better. Yep. Fact makes vacation way better. Oh, good point. It's insane. You know what?

It's a good thing in Hanser. Yeah. It's all around. I actually don't think you can go on vacation if you don't have music. That's fair. Yeah. I like to put on three, six mafia. Yep. Just lean back. Yep. All right.

Get your knobs lobbed. Yeah. We're going to wait. That was a joke. We're going to wade into some food similar to ice cream pizza pizza. Universally loved. Yep. Pizza makes the world go round. I don't show me a person who doesn't like pizza. They are a certified weirdo psychopath psychopath like that.

And pizza is also one of those things that you liked it when you were two years old and you like it when you're 90 years old. Yeah. Pizza. Pizza. Pizza fever. Pizza. Catch it. Got any thoughts, Hank? Would you like to say anything about that?

No, I love pizza. OK. Yeah. OK. That's good. Yeah. We just if we combined all these things, it'd be incredible. If you're just getting head from a puppy while eating pizza on vacation. Well, I'll do your favorite jams. I'll do your one. Oh, actually, no, we're going to go into the human the human side.

Oh, where were we before? Well, things, food, got it. Music. OK. Oh, you're going with an individual, an individual. Yes. A human. OK. Adam Sandler. Oh, that's a good pick. Good pick. Good pick. That's a very good. I like that. Everyone does like Adam Sandler. Great guy, great movies.

Yeah, Adam, there was even that great guess on the show. Come back on. Yeah. People tried to clown on Adam Sandler and like didn't take, you know, like, oh, look at the shorts he's wearing. Everyone's like, dude, the fuck it's Adam Sandler. He's just rich and doesn't care. Yeah. And he's like a universally loved guy and also seemingly nice to everyone. Everyone. Yeah. Maybe too nice.

That's my child. I might be. I would that would devastate me. I'm going to add him to the list of of celebrities that I would be like actually crumbled by if it came out that there were dickheads, like Tom Hanks would be one of them. And then I always put Weird Al on there, too, because everyone likes Weird Al. But but yeah, Ellen. Oh, my God.

That was great. Just like slit my throat. Yeah, she's my queen. We had a little back and forth here. Uh oh. I there's nothing better than then looking over and Billy looks as confident as ever and Jake's shaking his head. It's my favorite look in team Mount Rushmore.

It's got a good look. Yeah. OK. So I don't think we all realized how much we all love this. And that's why it's not going to play on the graph. No. Oh, my God. Why would you say that? Jake, we literally know that the intro would have been perfect, but you just had to shit on it. OK, all right. Start over. Start over. We'll pretend that didn't happen.

Billy was getting a great intro. Yeah. So yeah, he was giving a great intro of. So a lot of people probably can disagree about this universally loved thing. I want to like this. I just want to say the record. I want to like what open mind open mind. You'll get our gut reaction. So something we all take for granted.

But on this trip, we've lacked a little love and it's a little harder to find than usual. Oxygen, everyone loves oxygen and especially. Hey, we've all been carrying stuff around the altitude. I thought you were going to say friendship. I was like, that's sick, dude. Yeah, like this is no oxygen. Everyone loves oxygen.

If you didn't have oxygen, you would die. What about a lot of us are slowly dying, carrying stuff, going upstairs with a lack of oxygen. And you guys may not get it, but guys behind the camera, they get it. Aria Aria did have a problem with oxygen yesterday. He's speaking and you know what lack of it tomorrow. You guys are going to be like, wow, he was right. You're not wrong about that,

but it's not something that's loved. It's something that's taken for granted. Right. It's like breathing oxygen. You don't think about I think you love breathing. I think it's underrated. Do you want to do I don't think about breathing? I think I want to breathe. I took you out to the water.

If I took you out to the water and put you under the water and then drowned you and you Scott, I would say, you got to succeed as much as you want to breathe and love ice cream. It'd be the same thing. Succeed as much as you want to breathe. OK. I'll really counterpoint. Oh, yeah, classic. What about people that all time, all timer?

What about getting choked out while you're boning, though? Like that's depriving you of oxygen, but heightening the rest of your sentences. OK, listen, this is a bonk free zone. It's Mount Rushmore. Things the university loved. Yeah. OK. All right. Last pick. It's not a bad pick.

It's just again, it's not something I don't think anyone thinks like, man, I love oxygen. Milo. What? Milo. Yeah. Man, I love oxygen. I love oxygen. OK. Yeah, there we go. Our last pick is NFL Red Zone. Yeah. Yeah. Well, what about the people who I do love NFL Red Zone? But there have been times on this podcast

when somebody else has said that it takes away from the flow. Yeah. I personally disagree with that take. I love NFL Red Zone. I love NFL Red Zone. Oh, kill for NFL Red Zone. There is something about syncing your teeth in a game in a solo game that's special. Sunday, one o'clock, you're playing Red Zone.

What about the people who don't like football? They don't listen to the show. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck them. Yeah, you're right. Fuck them. Fuck them. All right. I would honestly, I would probably kill. Wait. I have a point of contention. Which red zone are you talking about?

This is very important. I could. I could. No, this is very important. What type of pizza are you talking about? Just Pete, cheese, pizza. What type of music are you talking about? All music. We said the puppies. You're talking about all puppies, but are. You're saying two different hosts.

That's ridiculous. NFL Red Zone. I do not love Andrew Cisleano's Red Zone. OK, but you love NFL Red Zone. I do love NFL Red Zone. I don't. I like Andrew Cisleano. I don't love him. I like undersells.

Everything for myself anymore. I like. All right. All right. Red Zone, it's good, but it's a good pick. Yeah. Good pick. I was just trying to make you say something bad about Cisleano. Never. Yeah, I know. I have some Syracuse guy too. They're all Syracuse guys.

Yeah, they're all OK. Good pick. That's good pick. Red Zone is it. I'll tell you what, Red Zone is universally loved on this podcast in terms of listeners. There's not a person. It'd be very funny if we could find one person who heard that pick and was like, what is he talking about?

What's the Red Zone? Yeah. All right. Hank. I'm shocked that team Billy and Jake can take this, considering the merch, considering, you know, what you're wearing. But our last pick is freedom. OK. Freedom. Everyone loves freedom. Yeah. No, that's actually.

I don't think a lot of people like freedom anymore. Well, Billy, I think there's a lot of people around here. Billy's a fascist adjacent. Where does that come from? Where does that come from? It means that you're not a fascist, but you admire a lot. Yeah, right. You're like, you got some good ideas. Yeah. You think that they're they're sweet.

Yeah. The trains ran on time. That kind of stuff. Not me. I love freedom. I love this country. And, you know, good pick. I think anyone that doesn't have freedom probably wishes they did. What does freedom mean to you, Hank?

Just means vacation and going to the beach. Getting ahead and not having to reciprocate. Yeah, America, baby. Fucking love this country. OK, our last pick. All right. Do you want to do it? Yeah, we're going to go with a person. Yes. You want to say at the same time?

Yes. Three, two, one. Scott van Pelt. Everybody loves Scott van Pelt. Everyone loves Scott van Pelt. Say something bad about Scott van Pelt. I dare you. It's the same as the red zone thing, but it kind of that. What about the people that don't?

Yeah, no, you're right. You're right. I knew that. That's that's that's. Yeah. Those people aren't listening to this podcast. I knew the minute I said that's at Jake, I kind of put myself in a box. So that's why I backed off. But yeah, because there are people who don't watch sports.

I'll I'll hand up. But I still think they'd like Scott van Pelt. Yeah, exactly. I think that they're just there's no Scott. Anyone who's not a Scott van Pelt fan just doesn't know who he is. There's just Scott van Pelt fans in the waiting, you know. He's universally loved.

We'll see. I guess pizza and pizza and dogs are going to be topped over. Who's who does not like Scott van Pelt? Show yourselves. I'm so low. I'm just kidding. I mean, they're probably they're probably that was based off what he told you.

There probably is. There probably are people at ESPN that are jealous or like coworkers of his that aren't as successful as him that see, I think he's got to stay in towards it. I think he's gotten to a level where it's like we need Scott van Pelt to pay our jobs. He's that type of like loved like Scott van Pelt puts food on our table.

I think I think there's probably some jealousy at that company because he is like so massive. But I think the respect that he has like people are like, I'm jealous of him, but I realize that I'm just being jealous. Yes, yes. OK, what did we miss? There's a lot. Part of my cheesesteaks.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Universally loved. Shout out to everyone that's been getting him. Keep going to get him. Delicious. Great, great report so far. So thank you to all the AWLs who have. Yeah, so we actually dug into the deep dummies on the cheesesteaks

and the the complaints about them are down significantly compared to like any other brand new launch. So it's going really well. Now, there have been a couple of issues. If there are issues, tweet at the support and the support will take care of all of you. I've been mode some guy 150 bucks because he complained so much. And then he he sent it back to me because we refunded. So it was like he and he apologized.

He's like, I'm sorry, I was going through some shit. I'm sorry, I replied to every single one of your tweets for three days straight. And I was like, cool, that's fine. I just wanted you to be happy. That's you won't get that customer service anywhere else. Yeah, I'm doing spot checks on the quality, too. I'm ordering them personally to myself just to make not because I like him a fat ass who loves cheesesteaks.

That's totally not why. But just to do quality check. I like that. Other things we missed home runs. Everyone loves home runs. Yeah, I mean, chicks dig the long ball. That's the universal love thing. Snow days.

Yeah, good. Yeah, boobs, boobs, even women love boobs. Yeah, like women look at a naked woman. They're like, wow, she's gorgeous. Yeah, they have a look at each other. Girls that don't have boobs hate boobs. No, no, I think they I think they love boobs. They're just like, I wish I had boobs.

Yeah, but then they inherently hate them. But like, you know, like when chicks like hang out, they just look at each other's boobs. That's all they do. We all we just hang out and name random players. They just look at each other's boobs. Mark Lemke, Mark Lemke. That's a good one. Yeah, I remember him.

Yes, of course. You do a lot of the Braves from Terry Pendleton. Terry Pendleton, Jeff Blouser, Jeff Treadway, all the Jeffs. We had mac and cheese. Yep, mac and cheese. Everyone loves mac and cheese. Free money. I don't know if that exists, but free money, you know, I mean,

that is universally loved. Someone's like here. I mean, those those always go crazy on on Twitter when someone's like, I'm giving away free money. Yeah. Yeah, the live tour. That's a that's a prime example of it. Yes, exactly. Free money. Exactly. Sunsets and sunrises.

Yeah, beautiful. The other the cool side of the pillow. Yeah, doesn't love that. Taking a nice big, clean shit. I think that's just because you have to do that. Yeah, I do have to. Well, my hotel room is not ready yet. You can tell he's got to take a shit because he said it.

We went back and forth. Then he sent back. It was like, I really think that. This one's really good. I was like, what about the women? I was like, yeah, whatever. Girls. Yeah, they sometimes. But those aren't big.

Those are little tiny rabbit pellets. Tom Hanks, like you said earlier, pedophile. Kind of problematic. Yeah, really problematic. Possibly, allegedly. Locked up on Twitter. Laughing. Just laughing. Everybody loves to laugh.

Laugh, friendship. Yeah, you know, potable, drinking water. Potable. Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah, that's good. That's the long, the same lines of oxygen. Although water kills probably millions. That's why I said potable, drinking water. Potable. Yeah.

Potable. Yeah. Let's see. What else do we have? Coors light. Oh, Charles Barkley. Charles Barkley. Everyone loves Charles. Charles is another one where people have dipped their toe

into trying to be like, don't listen to Charles Barkley. And everyone's like, how about you shut up? Mm hmm. That's always like a universally loved person. New sheets on a bed. So nice. New sheets on the bed. Yeah.

Climbing to bed. I've recently become a second sheet guy. I'm growing up. What do you mean? Really? Whatever the cover. Oh. So wait, talk.

Take me through your layers. You have the fitted sheet on body. I have a fitted sheet and then the secondary sheet and then the comforter. I don't do normal sheets. I don't do secondary sheet. I hate it. I get all tangled up in it.

Sometimes I just go only secondary sheet. Yeah. I only go blanket because I just, I'm a violent sleeper. I feel like that was a big step up. Yeah, that is. You started using a sheet. No, a second sheet. The next step is to wash them.

Yeah. No, I wash my sheets. A second sheet, but it's really just the first sheet. Yeah. No, the first sheet is the sheet. The fitted sheet on the bottom. That is the sheet. That's the sheet.

That's sheet one. That sheet one and sheet two is the sheet. Yeah. Okay. I would say like 77 degrees and no clouds. Yeah. That's pretty universally low. I don't feel for a big time country.

No, but I mean, that's still a day that you love. I mean, you want, you know, you don't want 20 degrees in cloud. Oh yeah. In football weather. You popped up a 77 degree cloud this day in the middle of this degree. Uh, like in Columbus, Ohio in January, I don't think anyone

would complain. Real feel. What? Real feel 77. Yeah. Real feel. Yeah. Thanks for checking.

Because that's 77. Yeah. No, I got you humidity. Yeah. There could be humidity. No, I'm saying real feel 77. Low humidity. Raymond.

Yeah. Maybe a soft breeze. Yeah. Shours. Shours. Yeah. It's better, but who has the time? Right.

No one has the time. Hot tubs. Yeah. Hot tubs are great. Hot tubs are great pick. Hot tubs are great pick. We missed that. We whiffed on hot tubs.

Yeah. Hot tubs are great pick. Ice baths. Okay, never mind. Yeah. Okay, Billy. Gary V. All right.

Andrew Tate. Top G. Top G. We gotta do more push ups. Numbers. Numbers. Send everyone on their way. 30.

12. 30. Tune in Friday. Maybe an airport review coming your way. The third ever. 26. Third ever. Madison, Indianapolis.

And then the one that we're going to do for Friday. Yeah. Yeah. Third ever. We speak 70. We're averaging one every two years. That's pretty good. Had to be more.

We're on kind of a hot streak. No, it's not more. It's definitely not. We're on a hot streak with airport reviews. Two in a year. Yeah. This is the year of airport reviews. Say your numbers.

Three. What's yours? Back girl. 24 for Jonah. 21. 21. I'm going to do 27. Everyone got them?

30. 76. So close. Shout out to the maids. I don't want to win on one of these. Yeah. Yeah. No, you can't win on one of these, Hank.

It would be bad if you won on one of these. People would call it Mickey Mouse trophy. Love you guys. There's alligator eating pythons. You have delays. That works. Cool. That's fucking good, bro.

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