Pardon My Take - Jason Kelce, Chris Berman, Super Bowl 59, NBA Trade Deadline + Fyre Fest From New Orleans

Episode Date: February 7, 2025

Last day of Super Bowl week and we’re ready for the game to get here (00:00:00-00:15:29). We talk NBA trade deadline winners and losers based on vibes (00:15:29-00:32:34). Super Bowl 59 preview and a check in on how Max is doing before Sunday (00:32:34-00:46:47). Jason Kelce joins the show to talk football, his career, Philadelphia, line play and a roast from Kate (00:46:47-01:52:40). Chris Berman joins the show to preview the big game, talk favorite football memories, a touchdown pick, his 45th year at ESPN and the best games he’s attended (01:52:40-03:02:25). We finish with Fyre Fest of the week (03:02:25-03:21:59).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take

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Super Bowl 59. Max. Max. How you feeling, big guy? I feel good. I don't feel too much different from Monday until now. I still feel confident. I'm still scared of Patrick Mahomes.

I still think we're gonna win the football game. Yeah? Yeah. Have you, when are you gonna ramp up the partying? What a noise is tough. No, I still have to edit tonight. So I'll probably dip my toes in tonight and then tomorrow tomorrow. It's on tomorrow. It's full go. It's full go I love my little full go from Friday morning to Sunday night Friday afternoon Monday at hopefully hopefully till Monday morning. Yeah, we till Tuesday. Yeah, we the parade What if Lane Johnson gets you in a parade? I mean that's not gonna happen. Why not?

Max did or a big Dom could get you in a parade. Maybe Big Dom. I mean, this isn't crazy. I'm just thinking of, I'm just comparing it to, Blaine Johnson doesn't like me like Missoula liked Hank. But Big Dom loves you. But Big Dom does love Big Dom.

Big Dom is my Paisan. Do you think it's a little, like you're jinxing a little thinking about the parade? You asked me a question, I answered the question. I thought I was thinking about the parade.ing a little thinking about the parade you asked me a question I answered the question Mm-hmm. I thought I was thinking about the not until you ask me a question But I you eventually like you just started thinking about the parade. I Hadn't literally hadn't crossed my mind until you said that what's your loss level? Locked I need to get more lost. Yeah

My brain has been slipping this week. Have you broken down film? Do you have keys to the game? When yeah Brutal you want to know how locked in I am. Yeah, what were my keys to the game against the commanders? I think it was winning What what happened you won? You won? What am I keys to the game? Gameplan yeah, don't you think the chiefs know that game plan now like your blueprints out you you can't stop I want you to tell me how you stop winning because if the chiefs have been watching the film They know what your keys to the game are from last week and they can counter that that's a great point

They can win harder by the the way, PFT, you look great. I should have said that. I should have said that to start. I feel great. You look incredible. I went out, picked up some new threads. I feel pretty good about it. I got some new shoes.

Apparently, you don't wear socks with shoes anymore. So I'm not wearing socks. And then socks are out. Plaid pants. Then I got every country in the world. I have a world map which our sound guy very astutely pointed out. Like this is just the country equivalent of my NFL shirt. Yes. That I was wearing. Yes. He was right on the money and the Kangal

hat, the Kangal hat, the Kangal hat is awesome. It does tie it all together. I got in here and Hank instantly got jealous. Oh, mood turns sour immediately. Yeah. No, I just said to you, look, what time's your tea time? That's very funny. I mean, you also made fun of Hank. You were like, you're dressed like a five-year-old. He is dressed like a five-year-old. He's wearing off-white shoes and a kid.

And he's also got a kid, which kind of, so it's like, kid is cool. Kid is cool. It was you trying to flex on him, but he's dressed significantly cooler than about what is significantly cooler than you not significantly cooler than I would say I would say Cooler pft's a hundred times swag year. I would agree with dealer in 1989. That's what he looks like. I look like a Okay, I just realized what I said fair point point. He looks like a drug dealer in 2025. You look like Scarface.

Yeah, you look like you should be in Scarface. That's like, yeah, that's not a bad thing. But like 1989, whatever. You still look good. You still look good. How about this? We both look good. Listen, for the very first time, I went out

and I spent money on clothes today for the low cost of $3,000. Put this outfit together, and I feel good about it. I think you're serious. I am serious No way those shoes might be yeah, that's if Max asked me what kind of shoes these are I said brown brown I don't know. Yeah, anyone want to mention like 300 anyone want to mention my I know I don't think you're serious black t-shirt No, it's a nice black t-shirt. Thank you I picked this out today when I was looking at the seven black t-shirts I packed. But let's not let Max off the hook because I don't think you you're not dialed. No, he's not not not

He's loose right now and it's in a loose in a bad way. Are you worried about Jalen Carter being sick? Who's sick for five days? He'll be fine a lot magic Johnson. Yeah Fair also the entire Eagles locker room They might be sick too. There's worries that it's spreading through the locker room. It's probably food poisoning. Okay, it's probably It's probably the bus. That's still not good. You still don't feel like if you have food poisoning on Thursday You're not gonna feel 100% on Sunday. Will literally ran a 4-9, 12 hours removed from food poisoning. Okay that also might have been just hung over. No that was food poisoning. Alright so you're not dialed, not locked in. I'm not gonna say not dialed but I'm I'm going to leave room for improvement

on the dial. Okay what we got to learn this week is the most dial I saw Max was when we were drunk on Monday. So once you get a couple drinks, you'll be back. It's work. This has been work week. It has been work week. It's really Max weekend is when it's gonna turn into it. So Max Monday, if you don't have keys to the game, at least give me a, show me the path.

What's gonna, what has to happen? I've said the path. What do the Eagles have to do? The Eagles, they don't need to start hot because sometimes they don't start hot. They need to be, they don't, sometimes they don't. Sometimes they're a second half team. They need to be up two scores going into the fourth quarter.

That's my key to the game. Okay. Would you say that being up two scores going into the fourth quarter, it would be easier to do that if you started hot? Correct. But like the Chiefs can score first and we can still get to up two scores. Okay, so that's what I'm saying. You got to win the middle two quarters. You don't have to score first. No, don't have to score second and third quarters.

That's your time. Yes, the second. The middle four is huge. Do you kick off or do you receive? Kick off, always. Our defense is so good. Do you have to score second? No, we can score first. No, no, but do you have to score? Do you like could the Chief score first and second? Depends on the scores. If it's the field goal, field goal. Okay. What about if it's touchdown field goal? Yeah. Touchdown field goal. I would not be feeling good. Okay. Here's the reality of the situation. A touchdown field goal you can come back from.

Ten nothing. You can do that from ten nothing you can do that But if you start out getting safety and it's to nothing that's game over. Mm-hmm. That's a fact Yeah, safety would be tough to nothing is absolutely just stop the game max. Is this a must-winner can't lose This is a this is a mustn't lose Okay Must not we must not lose Mustn't lose. Have you thought about your pregame meal?

Yes. Of course. What do you mean? Well, I thought stupidly and someone rightfully corrected me. I almost just tried to run it back and I was like, I should get Taco Bell before and I was like, that's very stupid

because we lost that Super Bowl. So I have thought about it, haven't answered it. No decision. It sounds like you've thought more about the parade than the pregame meal. You asked me a question. Right. I answered the question. Mm-hmm.

Have you thought about how many drinks you're gonna have in your system at kickoff? Great question. No. Oh, you got to know that. You have to know that. Are we going, like, what's the range that you're looking for? on your system at kickoff? Great question. No. Oh, you gotta know that. You have to know that. Are we going, like, what's the range that you're looking for?

That's a fluid situation. I gotta see how I feel. Oh, no, that's bad. Did you have to have a plan? Because that means he's just gonna be blacked out. Yes, if you have no plan, you're planning on having 20. No, truly is only. Okay, you're gonna get unruly.

Yeah, I'm gonna be unruly. Okay. But, responsibly unruly. Yeah, you're respons be unruly. Okay. Responsibly unruly. Yeah, you're responsibly unruly. Have you and Rhone talked about what time you're going to start drinking on Sunday going into the game? No, we have not spoken about that. These are the most important parts.

We are, I do think we're gonna be with Lil Sass as well, but he's sitting by himself. Okay. So that's another thing. But these are details you gotta figure out. Just like you're playing the game You have to script the first 15 drinks right and you also have to like what time you're gonna wake up on Sunday You're gonna sleep in are you gonna get like are you gonna get to the game an hour early? What's what's the plan?

Not locked in no, this is bad. The news is you can walk there. So like yeah, I can walk there I can walk back you're gonna put on the boot. I'm gonna put on the boot. I like that That's good. We've got some preparation there. Yeah, but on the boot, we don't know pregame meal We don't know I think if you score first shoey No, I can't do doing a shoey before if they win I promised if they win a shoey I would do a champagne shoey if they win you have to think about your your night before meal to like what's your what's your dinner? What are you gonna load up on? seafood oysters

No, I think I think come Saturday no more seafood with because I don't want to risk the chance of Going into Going into the game. So you got one detail set. He's gonna eat He's not gonna eat gumbo on Saturday or any like it. I mean there's you know, the the gumbo. Yah. Yah I could do Yeah, sausage gumbo sausage and chicken, but no seafood because we can't we just can't be having food poisoning No, we can't going into the big game. No Eagles win. Who's the MVP? Who should the MVP should have been? If the Eagles win who's the MVP who should the MVP should have been If the Eagles win I You know what I think it's gonna be jail and I agree with you It's gonna come down. I think the Chiefs were actually gonna break down the game. Well, actually

Let's do some national sports podcast stuff. Yeah break down the game a little bit with some props. Yeah, I'll check out for a sec All right. Check out for well, we have some sixers national sports podcast news Virginia McCasky has passed away at the young age of 102. Mm-hmm gone too soon. All right P RIP That's kind of all I got right now. I'm in silence moment of silence. I Felt good Her dying. No the moment of silence. Yes, it will be interesting to see what happens with the Bears ownership

She did get to see the her last game that she watched was the Packers beating the Packers. That's pretty cool I think what I'm true is crazy. It is crazy. I don't for the record. I do not want to be 102 Yeah, I never want to get there. No, I don't either I feel like it. Ah not want to be 102. Yeah, I never want to get there. No, I don't either. I feel like it. Uh, unless I own an NFL team, then I do. What if they suck? I still would probably want to be 100. You'd want to be 102 and then go through this season again. Only an NFL team would be sick though. It would like you don't want to die if you're owning an NFL team. I don't want to be 102 regardless. Either way she obviously her father basically started the NFL she was been the Bears owner for a long time

so she's sad. Well it's not sad it's 102. Unbelievable life incredible life lived 102. I mean we're in New Orleans they celebrate they celebrate death yeah they do a line a funeral line. I don't know what's gonna end up happening with the Bears ownership, but it's not a time to think about that. It does kind of rock. Tomorrow's the time to think about that. It does kind of rock that she said like,

yeah, I'll spend all my money on this new coach, and then she doesn't have to actually do that. Yeah. That's the way to go. Yeah. When I'm like 95, I'm gonna make a major financial commitment and then load up on a huge batch of heroin. Yes. That's my plan. Yeah, so

RIP Virginia McCasky 102 not a drug guy not a drug guy hard to nuts is like I still What so she was born in 1923? Yeah. Holy fuck. So World War two all of it So yeah, the Great Depression. Dust Bowl. Pearl Harbor. Is she older than the Hoover Dam? That's crazy. Probably.

Yeah, she is. She's older than highways. That's insane. She was older than highways. I did appreciate in the write up. What? That's crazy. That's not computing into my how does she older than highways? There weren't a lot of cars.

Yeah, like they're invented highways. Yeah, that's true. How did people get from one city to another? There were roads, but like in terms of like the full US highway system, that didn't happen until like right after the Great Depression, right? Yeah.

Isn't that a highway? Yeah. Route 66? Sure is. The Hoover Dam. So that was after? I think so. 1936 was the Hoover dam that was at after I think 36 was the Hoover dam yeah highways so she remembers the Hoover Dam being built us

yeah on signed legislation 1956 president Dwight Eisenhower signed legislation funding the construction of the US interstate highway system think about that max she shoulder and highways that's fucking insane yep all right should we talk some trade deadline I did some winners and losers based on basically just five okay so I got real no Intel by the way our NBA preview will be coming in two weeks so Ryan Russell will be on for that we're gonna do a full NBA preview. It's about time for NBA to start. All right. You want my winners and losers real quick?

And again, this is based off vibes. So people are going to be like, you don't know what you're talking about. You might know a little bit more memes. So you can correct me if I'm wrong on any of my winners and losers. All right. Winner Lakers. Yep. Luca. Also Mark Williams, even though he gets injured a bunch, they did need a big, that feels like a pretty good trade for them. They traded Dalton connect and a pick to the Charlotte Hornets, which that was basically a free roll. Yes. They should have been in the Luca trade. Correct. That was like, Oh yeah, we, yeah, we got, yeah, that those Dalton connect in that unprotected first should have been for Luca. And like, yeah, we'll just take a shot

on Mark Williams who is injured a lot but also if he's good and if he is not injured he's exactly what they needed I mean don't connect was good though I liked watching his own ball and he could just screw yeah you're right he needed the ball he was a score for not a lot of not a lot of defense yeah they're also winners because LeBron didn't leave yeah he said I'm here right now yeah which means right at this very second he's there which I don't know if he's planning on leaving but there were rumors that like he might be interested in going to the Warriors which I think

would have made everybody hate basketball yeah right if they got everyone you would have liked that yeah it would have been cool if they got KD LeBron instead no they wouldn't have got they wouldn't have gotten KD and LeBron I don't think well they were all names that were like floating around I'm glad that didn't happen No, they wouldn't have got they wouldn't have gotten Katie and LeBron. I don't think well They were all names that were like floating or I'm glad that didn't happen. Yeah. All right Other winners. Oh by the way, cuz we're consistent on this podcast Hank Did you see Luca in a Lakers Jersey? Negative or

Yeah, I did not I like just the look of it was was bad or you haven't seen him sweat in it though That's true, but I just something about it just didn't work 77 doesn't hit the same. It just didn't work. Yeah, exactly It just didn't work. I don't think anybody looks good dry in an NBA jersey They don't like if you just if you need him to wet yeah Yeah, I got him to oil up like a little bit oil up a little bit Then let's see if you got the aura. All right other winner I thought the calves getting Deandre Hunter was big huge calves are going for it. They needed that And the Hawks are tanking now, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, so that was that was big I thought that was a big win Miami for trading Jimmy Butler and getting rid of him and the Warriors for getting Jimmy Butler

Yeah, when when? Yeah, you got you got playoff Jimmy maybe yeah that's gonna be I think if they get to the playoffs I don't I don't fully understand what the Warriors plan is I think it's just Steph's gonna have to shoot all the threes because they don't they have less like Jimmy Butler and Draymond you think they're gonna get along really shoot threes I think Draymond's one of the bigger losers you think so the Warriors had a deal Where Kevin Durant was gonna be going to the Warriors that he basically shut down just cuz he doesn't want to play with Draymond again

Yeah, so Yeah, that would be a loser for sure But I I mean, I think the word the word should be better just because playoff Jimmy would play I'm old as fuck as I'm saying is older. I mean,, Steph is 36, Jimmy Butler's 35, but that's why Miami- So good though, Jimmy Butler's- No, but there's a difference between regular season J-Bud and playoff J-Bud. You know that there is.

They might win a series. They're barely in the playoffs right now. And Miami wins because they got rid of Jimmy Butler, who is being a bitch. Would you guys agree with that? Oh yeah. And then- I think he was being Jimmy Butler.

Yeah. Like this is what you expect. Yeah, that is is what we expect my other winner is the Clippers just cuz I like Bogdanovic it's fun to say and he's just like I don't know I feel like he can get hot you don't like the Spurs I think the Spurs would be winner Spurs are winners DeAndre Fox yeah oh yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm a winner big watcher of his you could be the Kings I mean the Kings getting Zach Levine for not a lot could be winners as well like the beam yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, pieces around. I feel bad for Marcus Martin. I feel terrible Here's the thing. I wanted to come home. Here's the thing about what the Wizards are doing. They're just they're moving names around They're doing stuff with the salary cap that I I don't understand

But I know that what they're engaged in is just active tanking just as much as a trade this Middleton and for the longest time They they did not have a plan and their plan was it was like Even worse than the Bulls plan because we would finish outside of the playoffs Yeah, but not be bad enough to get a one pick or two pick until last season Then we finally got competent front front office when we got the dude from Oklahoma City And now we've had a plan in place where it's like get you have to get really fucking bad Yeah, and I'm I'm completely on board with getting as bad as possible. That's the key Yeah in the NBA you like Quinton Grimes and sixers a winner

Sure, okay, who cares? also winners why Caleb Martin Chris, Middleton saw the killers out of the picture Well, they're in the east still right? Yeah Martin went to the Mavs Middletons. Well, they're in the East still, right? Yeah. Kale Martin went to the Mavs. Middletons. Well, I mean, he's in the East. They're all kind of playing with the playoffs.

Just right down the street. What about, are you not afraid of Kyle Kuzma? No. You're not? No. You just don't like people with fashion. That's true. That's a fact.

Yeah. You're afraid of it. It's very funny because all the talking hands on ESPN were like, I like this trade for the bucks, Cal Cusma. I know he sucked, but that's just because he was in Washington. Yeah. But now that he's gone, he's going to be good again. And I thought about it, I got mad for a second,

and I was like, kind of right. Yeah. That's a very accurate statement. Yeah. What do you got, Hank? This is bad podcasting so we got cut this who is this who's the guy that looks like Kramer on ESPN that's Bob is it Bob Myers he's a guy from the Warriors yeah that yeah that's Bob Myers what about

him he's I was watching you literally just took a picture of your TV because you're like, is that Kramer? I was like, who is Kramer? Kramer looking motherfucker. This is some good NBA breakdown. I know that you can listen to a bunch of other podcasts. We're breaking down high level. That was like Kramer's dad. Yeah, he's a good front office guy. He helped pick Dan Quinn.

I really hate that the NBA trade deadline is super weak. Come on. Yeah. This is still super weak. This is their revenge for Christmas. Yeah. All right, my losers, real quick. Phoenix, because Bradley Beal just

refuses to go anywhere, right? That feels like a bad situation. If you were Bradley Beal, what would you do? I know I said last week, you have the no trade clause. You got that written in for a reason. But just fuck it. Just like, don't use your no trade clause. It's also like, you basically blocked the sons from getting better at all. And then you come back in that locker room and everyone's like, Oh, hey, dude,

glad you're still here so much. Yeah, it's gonna suck. Yeah, it's gonna suck. Like you're not Yeah, you'll you'll still have that contract. You'll still have the same house, you'll still have the same drive into work every day, but it's gonna get a lot worse Obviously the Mavs are losers for the Luca trade Raptors I just I don't really understand getting Brandon Ingram when they're out of the playoffs right now And they're maybe they're trying to get to the playing game. I don't really know. Yeah, this is always like Brandon Ingram Yeah, I do I do too. But like what I feel like the Raptors should be taking right? Maybe it's a tariff thing

Maybe it's a thing and then the Bulls are a big loser because they didn't do anything that they should have done besides trade Exactly, but that was a big thing, but they didn't trade vooch. They didn't trade Kobe White who seven teams were interested And it's like they're just the dumbest organization in AKs. They extended Lonzo Ball. I like Lonzo Ball, but like what do you do? It's just none of the moves stack up together. It is funny that the NBA is at its best when we're not talking about games.

Yeah, we're just talking about guys moving to different cities. I love the next to other guys. It's like, oh, imagine if Luca was in LA. Imagine if Katie was in New York. Imagine if LeBron was in Riyadh the There I guess the Warriors wanted vooch and they just the Bulls couldn't do it because they're fucking stupid and then yeah seven teams It's basically the same thing that happened last year without screws. Oh, they're like, yeah, let's just do that mistake again Yeah, so they're fucking idiots Means did we miss any big trades anything that tickled you know

This song The Brandon Ingram one Toronto made a lot of moves the Pelicans made a lot of moves I'm more interested in the buyout market right now. Oh I want Chris Millington on the next oh, he's perfect wing back up. So yeah Brandon Ingram. I Think he's gonna stay in Toronto. Okay, can you explain to me like I'm five how that market works? So the Wizards trade assets so pretty much everything I tried to say and then we just Pay him to not play for us. Yeah, and then someone and then then that's good for us Yeah, because you already got the other assets and you traded away who you needed to

trade away yeah okay I don't understand salary caps um no it makes no sense and a lot of people who got traded today are just gonna get bought out yeah the Marcus so mark smart yeah mark smart potentially oh hey pretty much the big picture trade deadline is the it's rigged for the Lakers and a lot of dumb organizations continue to dumb things and the Warriors are going to have at least be more interesting. Yeah. One last ride for stuff. Yeah. One last ride for stuff. But yeah, we are going to have a Rassil on to break down or to preview the NBA. Mm-hmm, but it's still football season It's just still football. It is we got one game left. Enjoy it I was thinking about what how my brain is gonna feel on Monday morning with no football

I don't want to think about it. I don't want to think about it Did you guys see by the way Rob Ryan's press conference? No, it was incredible. It was incredible I don't know if this is bad podcasting, but I can just play it because it was just so it was so so good. He is I think the linebackers coach at USC. Yes. Yeah. Um, here, I'll play it. We can we can cut it if it doesn't make sense. But it was. All right, here he is. Here. Watch where we finish this year. Watch where we finish this year. This guy is special. He's special. He knows how to get it done. He's a great communicator, great teacher. He's fun to be around. He makes

everybody better, including the coaches. And you know, we'll see, you know, I'm looking forward for the, what do you call it? Spring ball or whatever. I can't wait. You're gonna go against the best? Oh, good. Bring it on. I said, yeah, I can't wait to see that little Juco kid from Hutch. Bam, we're gonna get after this. But anyway, it'll be great. We're excited. You know, and I saw the Myava guy,

I coached his uncle. I hated that kid when I first saw him. A USC kid, a little captain. Remember, he could walk under this table right here. He's doing the fucking bit. I'm like, kid a little captain remember he could walk under this table right here He's doing the fucking bit Dominating every inch of that stage Anyway, so then I'm like hey guys With the family going out to Hawaii, going to Maui.

I've never been to Maui. I run things in Oahu, but I'm gonna go to Maui. This is a press conference. Hey Rob, you're getting in any kind of trouble now. You just tell them you know Calooks. I'm like, bitch, yeah, I'm gonna tell them I know Calooks. This is a press conference. I'm out there.

He's off the stage. What's that? It's off the stage. He's basing around like Chris Rock. Oh, we're going to have a romantic evening. Go out there, no rent a car. What do you mean? You never called for the rent a car.

I told you she's Greek. I'm like, yeah, they must have lost it So of course I forgot to call Now they're out of cars I'm in Maui. I don't know car So what do I do? I know Caloops I've got a car. Oh, you know I swear to God, handed God the in that one story where I was like, please, please stop talking because you're about to say something that's going to get you in trouble. Big trouble.

I mean, that was just, I love him so much. He was just pacing the whole stage. We're talking rent a car in Maui. I know Calukes. Yeah. So if you're in Maui, just say, Hey, I know Calukes. Tougher than a rattlesnake. Oh man. Yeah.

So that would be fun having Rob Ryan in the USC. I'm excited. We got Ron Rivera going back to school too. Oh, he's going to Cal, right? Oh, he's going to Cal, right? Oh, he's going to be consulting to the GM at Cal. I love it. So he told the text that he sent to Adam Schafter was, it was, going back to school is cool again.

Bill Belichick taught me that, so I'm going back to school. Very cool, Ron. Very cool. Do we think Josh isn't going to win the MVP, right? It's going to be Lamar? I don't know. It's like 50-50 right now. I'm not going to be mad.

Lamar deserves it as much as Josh, but it would be cool if Josh won. I would like to see Josh win just because he should win. Seeing the story with Josh and being around him enough over all these years, it would be very cool to see that after everyone doubted him. So in my heart, I would like like that but my wallet wants Lamar very badly. Yeah okay. If I get Lamar 15 grand no doinks. No doinks. If they let me put that in

you think they'll let me bet that? Yeah why not? Yeah I think they will. They should. No you don't. Just shake my head like you shouldn't do that. Why? Well what happens? It's such a dumb bet. It's an easy electric for the foot for the game It's an investment Hank. Yeah, 10% overnight investment. It only didn't hit last time because of a fluke but what happened? Okay, there were I think there were seven. No, there was like a first carry a game. No, that's not true If I got your back there were like eight kicks in the last game seven of them did not hit the uprights. Mm-hmm. What are that's like 85%? No, no, no, no We'll get to it later, but we had a really fun Friendly competition the other night where we all competed and did different activities throwing kicking. You're really good

How are you? How was I did you make all your kicks? I did not make all my kicks. What happened on the one you missed? I was barefoot and I kicked it and I doinked it. Hmm. Does that mean- You got the doinks out of the way!

Does that mean it's less likely that these are going to doink? I'm with PFT. No. PFT, I will- Yeah. How many kicks? Eight? How many kicks did you hit?

Fuck it, you know what I'm gonna- Seven out of ten. And the- Oh, you're gonna bet the no doinks, too? I'm gonna bet the no doinks. All right, now I'm gonna- I'm gonna get in your foxhole. I'm totally right because the last time this was the super boy you got my fox hole I'm gonna get you a fox I appreciate that. Here's whatever you bet I want to bet against it. Let me just prepare you should you should bet against it Yeah, you know you're going to and I have a Lamar future as well and I might put all that on doing yeah You know, you know, you're going to we got a doink. All right, so

Let me prepare you for what you're gonna to experience with a no doink sped. Don't do this. Every single time. Josh is going to win anyway. Every single time someone scores a touchdown, you're going to hope to God they go for two for some reason, first of all. Then when they line up to kick, your butthole is going to shrink up to about the size of an electron. Okay, you know what I'm going to do? I'm just going to be... Yeah, he doesn't want it.

He doesn't want the smoke. No, I'm... But, no, wait, I haven't gotten to the good part yet. Okay, but would you rather me bet the exact same amount as you or just be all in with you? Just, just be all in. You don't have to bet the same amount. Oh, I'm going to be all in?

Yeah, I'm going to root for you. I'm going to root for this fucking loser. Do not put 15... It's not for the fan of heart. I already have that. I've already got that put away for tails anyway. Bet a little bit on it. But yeah, and then after the ball goes through or misses

and doesn't hit the upright, it's a great feeling because statistically it's a good investment. Yeah. But you just have to be prepared to go through hell. I'm gonna be rooting like hell with you. Doinks are very rare. They're more rare than you think. You only hear about doinks because every time it happens, the NFL has put microphones closer and closer

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For additional terms or responsible gaming resources, see sportsbook.draftkings.com slash promos. Okay boys let's break down this game a little bit I I Like Hank have a future on the Eagles. I'm not gonna cash out. I think the Eagles are the better team I'm so so afraid of Patrick Mahomes and the history that they're going for I do think though the Eagles defense is the best unit that he's going to face in probably. Yeah. I mean in the playoffs and then, oh man, those big boys on the Eagles offensive line, they got to just do work, Max. They got to do works. I really do think

this, I know it's very reductive to say, but like Jalen Hurts has to play great. Yes, because the because the Chiefs, if he makes any mistakes, the Chiefs will capitalize and they will win the game and we'll all be sitting here being like how this happened again. Jalen Hurts has to play the game of his life. Disagree with that. I think he needs to make plays when plays need to be made, but he doesn't need to like go for 300 yards. What about making plays when plays don't need to be made?

Because sometimes that's the best play. Like I think that like he's gonna need to hit a big third and long to like keep a drive going. Max, like he's gonna need to make clutch plays, but I don't think he needs to have this huge stat sheet game because the recipe to winning is to go up and then use Saquon to ice the game. Is a punt a bad thing for you guys? Yes. You need to score. All right.

Who? Give me your top four things you're scared about on the chief side. Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes. Oh, that's it. Andy Reid? Not Andy Reid. Chris Jones. Chris Jones. Not Andy Reid. Chris Jones. Spags, Chris Jones.

Doesn't care about Chris Jones. Trent Mcduffey. But like Patrick Mahomes is so much scarier than everyone. Carl Aftis. I don't know. I would be scared. Chris Jones is scary. I'd be scared of Andy Reid.

I'd be scared of Spags. I'd be scared of Chris Jones. Mcduffey. Mcduffey, but he's just one guy. We have like. I understand, but We have so many other guys. I'd be scared of Harrison Bucker. Chris Jones is really good. Our interior offensive line is very good.

Harrison Bucker is a very, very good kicker. Harrison Bucker. You forgot about him. I'm not... He's a good kicker. He can hit a long kick. He's a very good kicker. But if you go into a game and you're scared of the kicker. No, I'm saying like in an end of game situation. Yeah, but that's more getting to that 57 yard field goal.

He can probably make that. But I'm more scared of Patrick Mahomes getting them into that situation. Okay, so he's like he makes Patrick Mahomes more powerful. Correct. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Did you guys hear what longtime Eagles fan, diehard Eagles fan Coworker all business Pete said no. He said I can't believe the sound got fucked up again Okay No, he actually said that he feels in his balls Eagles by 20, but he doesn't have balls. He got I kind of do too. You do? Just hearing the actual football guys that we've been around,

they just keep talking about talent, talent, talent, talent. This is a very good Eagles team. And yeah, so yeah. PFT likes the Chiefs though. I also think the Chiefs are the worst. Respect greatness. Good team of all time. This team stinks. I want to respect greatness good team of all time this team stinks. I want to respect greatness

I don't like I mean things they got bailed out by the rest Well, I want I know I need you to take the chiefs is what I need you to like no I'm saying I want to respect greatness. Yeah, and what I saw especially last week in the championship game a Team win by 30 points in the championship game that's a great team great and you have to respect greatness I feel better about the chiefs than I have always I have put it up you go sorry all the logos for part of my take birds no I'm birds memes you birds birds. No memes. I've been yelling it and every word birds. Pug, Pug what are you? Shane's not chief, he hates the chiefs. Yeah, he's gonna take my homes, he's a Chargers fan.

Ian, chiefs are eagles. The eagle should win but, ooh. Okay, so he says eagle should win. Say chiefs. Okay, well that sounds like birds all across. I think the birds are going to win, but I'm going to bet on my homes. But for the record, I'm picking the birds. Wait, no, no, no. You're betting on betting on the chiefs, but no, but no,

your pick is betting on the chief. I'm picking the Eagles. No, no, no, no. What's so hard to understand? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, the picks and previews segment of the show. Your pick is what you put money on. Caesar. My pick is none of your business. I want the bird on the graphic. OK, I'm taking this. Shane, no. Listen, you have to respect greatness.

I respect greatness. Listen, we've had this conversation. I mean, if I didn't have this feature, I probably would just be like, fuck it. It's Mahomes again. Because last year was the easiest Super Bowl I've watched was like, I don't care. I'm gonna win. Birds, I've talked about it's birds. It's gotta be

birds. Birds are a better team. They're gonna win and Max is gonna finally have his moment in the sun. The trenches are healthy. The trenches and on Sunday night, the trenches. Alright, favorite props. So yeah yeah say the props that you like But then you got to pick one that we're gonna put all together, okay? tails is obviously my first pick of the game And then the other one I feel very strongly about

This won't be in the parlay unless someone else picks it over 52 and a half yards for Dallas Goddard. Okay. So those are, those are the two that I really like. I also did bet Saquon over longest rush 24 and a half. I think it might be 25 and a half. I bet it literally right after the championship game, um, which I actually don't even like it that much anymore, but guess what? It's already been bad. So we're going to ride it. Uh, what do you guys like? I like, uh, I like Jalen hurts over 38 and a half yards rushing Mmm, I like Patrick Mahomes over 29 and a half yards rushing. Okay, and then I saw one earlier

I'm trying to track it down again It was a Saquon Barkley to have a certain amount of yards per quarter in every quarter Oh, I forget what that number was, but I remember seeing it and looking at it and thinking to myself. Oh, yeah Oh, yeah, and I like flea flicker plus 250. Okay Um, I also like Travis Kelsey to score a touchdown. I think he's gonna score a touchdown Hank I like the Flea flicker that would be my pick for the parlay. Oh would allow it. Okay

I hope my pick was gonna be over two and a half pass players to have a pass attempt. Do you not want me to put that in there? Do you want me to put Dallas Goddard in there instead? I don't mind whatever you want to do, whatever you feel best about. Cause that's what, that's my favorite bet. I, every Super Bowl over two and a half players

to attempt a pass, but we can do Flea Flicker instead. Cause those are kind of- Similar. Well, it's just like- Flea Flicker's better odds though. Yeah, yeah. Flea Flicker's not crazy odds. Yeah, yeah, it's, it's similar in. Well, it's just like there's better odds though. Yeah, there's not crazy odds Yeah, it's it's similar in the fact that it's like kind of to trick play ish

Well, another trick play this one this wouldn't be for the parlay But one I like because I feel like Andy Reid dials these up in the Super Bowl We talked about it a lot about how he's got you know These these plays in the vault only seeing the Super Bowl any offensive lineman to score a touchdown plus 1600 I like that a lot because when we talked to Lane Johnson I don't know if you picked up on this but we said like what if you caught a pass? He's like me. No, not me like they might. Yeah be looking at somebody else that could get a touchdown Yep, I like over eleven and a half longest punt return. Oh

That's fun. Whoa, where's that? In the Draft King sports book somewhere. Cause I did bet, I did bet over, or sorry, a kick to be turned for a touchdown on a kickoff. That's 22 to one, I would say sprinkle it at most on that. I just, that was more of a stay woke. They're going to try to get one. And this is, this is, this goes to the talent,

this goes to the birds, but the Chiefs can help out too. Over three and a half total number of three and outs in the game. Okay. I hate that bet. What's the odds? Yeah.

That's like, sucks, but yeah. Minus 105. That's so many three and outs. Four three and outs for three and ounce More than three okay I found that bed at Saquon Barkley to have ten plus rushing yards in each quarter. Mm-hmm minus 150 mm Okay, all right, so yeah, let's put this parlay together So I'll go I'll go to Goddard over 52 and a half yards. Okay, so that'll be my pick in this. Do you

want to put it together in your phone real quick? Also, this is not for the parlay, but I also like Xavier Worthy's yards over because I think he's just been getting a shitload of targets. Alright Hank, what's your pick? Flea Flicker. Flea flicker. And then PFT. I'll do my home's rushing yards. 29 and a half over. Okay. I like that. I like that. All right. You putting it together here, Maxine trying. It's hard. It's hard to find them. So I'll do it. Why don't you just worry about what your pick is going to pick?

My pick has been Devante Smith, 50 plus yards. Okay. So Patrick, my home's over 29 and a half. You said? My pick has been Devontae Smith, 50 plus yards. Okay, so Patrick Mahomes, over 29 and a half you said? Yep. PFT? Yep. All right, and Devontae Smith is over how many yards? I did 50 plus, but I'll take like whatever. 52 and a half, okay. All right, so right now it's plus 500,

and you might, Hank, we might not be able to use yours in a parlay. Jalen Carter, one sack. Okay. Love it. Okay. Is it over a half a sack? Yeah. One plus.

Sacks, Jalen Carter. Okay, okay. One plus. 12 to one. Okay. So here it is. For the people. Go bet it in the, now this is too much. Oh no, we have one chiefs. It's Dallas is for the people go bet it in the now this is too

much. Oh no we have one chiefs it's Dallas got over 52 and a half yards Jalen Carter one sack Devante Smith over 52 and a half receiving yards Patrick Holmes over 29 and a half rushing that I love the one I feel really good about it all right Max before we get to our interviews which are incredible we have Jason Kelsey and Chris Berman awesome awesome interviews final score prediction of the week 26 21 Eagles whoa you went down what happened. It's gonna be a closer game. No wait. You went 32 34 34 now down to 26. Yes. Oh, no was that Eagles Eagles? I've gotten worse as the weeks go on.

No you just have to respect the Chiefs. Okay. You have to respect the Chiefs. 26-21 so that's a one-score game. Does Patrick Mahomes have the ball? No he back doors it into the one-score game. Oh okay. So 26-14? And then they go for the onside kick. It's a really good onside kick and you think that they're gonna get it but the Eagles get it. Holy shit. That's thrilling. That would be amazing. I feel like we've had a lot of good Super Bowls recently. I hope we get another one. I don't know if we will. We will. So I think it might be a blowout. So which side? I just think it might be a blowout. Which side? I think the Chiefs. Or the Eagles. I think the Chiefs might stop him No too much talent. Yes, I mean this put him on a little he just he's a guy who just got stomped so

No, yeah, he's on the list. Okay. I'm not you haven't given us a list update. I don't think you have the list anymore No, people have been giving the Eagles more respect this week, which I don't which I don't like as much I'm doing you a favor. Yeah. Yeah, you are you are you are you are a friend. Okay We will we will be streaming the Super Bowl from the gambling cave max will be at the Super Bowl Don't worry max will be on no matter what win or lose. We have all the setup So we'll have good audio good also be plenty of clips from the game. I need clips from the game that will tweet out And your setup on Sunday night will be it'll be an actual camera with good audio equipment, right? Yeah All right, so you it won't be like a zoom. I mean it will be zoom, but it will be very it'll be good Riverside

Riverside professional mic It'll be good. Riverside. Riverside, professional Mike, webcam. Webcam, okay, love it. That's what I, yeah. Full max, and possibly Rome. And Rome. And Rome. Okay, let's do our interviews.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very, very special guest. It is Super Bowl champion, six time All-Pro. You're not leading off the podcast? He's starting to get seven. Seven time All-Pro? I know it's seven Pro Bowls. Six time All-Pro. Six time All-Pro I know it's seven pro bowls. Six time all pro.

Six time all pro. This is why I should just let you talk. Seven pro bowls. Future Hall of Famer. Yeah. Oh, I like that. Yeah, it's Jason Kelsey. So you just have accepted like,

hey, I can't wait for my five years and they're gonna knock on my door. Well, I don't know about the Hall of Fame. You're a Hall of Famer. I don't, yeah, I don't know, we'll find out. I think it feels weird to think of yourself in that way. I don't know what, yeah, I don't know. All right, you know what, why don't we do this?

As first reported by Pardon My Take, Jason Kelce is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Congratulations. Thanks, guys. Congrats. So when that day happens, you have to thank us first. Okay, because we were the first to have it. You know what? I mean, it seems only fair.

When they do your bust, are you gonna want the big hair? I don't do you get to choose the actual I think you do you don't feel right sit down and then somebody comes in and like, paints your face or does whatever. I don't know how they do it with a sculpting. But yeah, I think you get to choose the era of look that you have so you could be like yeah give me the long hair would be good I'm gonna take my max era yeah the long hair yes yes this is a max is very in this hypothetical world yeah yeah yeah all right so Super Bowl week yes this one a

little weird for you because well obviously because your brothers on the Chiefs and the Eagles are your family but is it weird that you're like man I kind of wish I was getting out there with the boys? Yeah I mean you always wish you could get out there with the boys. I don't know that over go away. Yeah. But it's certainly during a Super Bowl it gets magnified and obviously just one year away I'm still really close with all these guys. Right. Um, so yeah, I would love to go out there and play, but how many snaps could you give them right now?

How many snaps? You're looking, you're looking good. I, it looks like you've lost some Chris Jones might like DDT me into like the ether. Yeah. Yeah. You could give them a snap. Then I'd be out immediately. Yeah.

But no, it's, I don't know how many I could go. I think going before the season, it's hard to envision like doing anything. Yeah. And then once you get to this point, adrenaline could get me through something. Yeah. I think every former player like thinks that to a degree. Yeah. But then I'd be curious to see what actually would happen if I went out on the field.

It's interesting because I was reading an article last night from your former teammates. And I feel like, tell me if I'm wrong, but you played for so long. But for the last three or four years, it felt like every year you were like, this might be it. For sure. So you were kind of contemplating retirement

for essentially the back third of your career. Yeah, I mean, I made a whole documentary that lasted three years thinking about retiring I think it's playing football is really hard playing offensive lines really hard and the physical toll takes on yet. I think you It's it's it's something you really have to like Disconnect from the season and be okay. Do I want to do this for another year? At least once you get older that's the way I did it Lane's fully on board playing another year I already saw the press conference fired up about that. We were with him yesterday. He promised that he was playing another year. And he should.

He can tell he's still playing a really high level. He's still dominating. And then I think at some point you realize that your body is like barely hanging on. You know, like, okay, how much longer do I want to do this? Yeah. And I did that for about three years longer than... Yeah. It's a testament to you because you it feels like when you look at your career You got better as the years went on and some of your best football was in your 30s What was that was that just figuring out the game? Was it figuring out your body like what what made it so that you got that much better as you kept on going? Yeah, I think a lot of it, you know the center center position, you can get by more with tricks of the trade

and like kind of just understanding things and accelerating that a little bit. I think some positions like tackle, you gotta be like man mountain Dean out there to go block Miles Garrett. I was not blocking Miles Garrett often. So I think when you're in the middle of it, you can use like calls and different things that you know

Put the line or you in a better situation and you understand technique more So that helps you play at a higher level even though physically you're nowhere near the player. That's where it's like For the last three years, I could feel myself physically deteriorating But like on the play like I'm still playing at a high level right so it's this weird thing it's like I don't know when this physical deterioration is gonna catch up but it feels like it's like catching up now right and that's kind of what leads to those years of you know what am I gonna do next year yeah so from the center position what kind of level of detail do

do you have to put in going up against SPAGS especially the big game like this because I always loved going up against SPags. I mean another guy who's actually in college now, Wig Martindale, used to be able to give blitzes from any direction and Spags is gonna put a safety down weak. He's gonna rotate it all the way to make it look like there's no chance the nickels come. There's no chance the corner's coming and then all of a sudden it's gonna rotate the other way and they're gonna come. Or you're gonna think you got them and you do have them, and then they know you got them

and they're gonna flip the blitz and then they're bringing it the other way. So it was like this cat and mouse game that's going on with spags. It'll be zone pressures, overloads to a side. It'll be single dog pressures that are like run stoppers, be zero blitzes, especially in gotta have it scenarios. I mean that blitz that he pulled out against the Bills. Everybody's talking about it.

I mean, I still have nightmares from that when he was with the Giants and they did it with the corner because it was a condensed split. But he used to do the same thing with Landon Collins put him down on the line. They'd have this the stand up guys over here to the right and you'd have to guess like it's like, okay, either the safety and it's coming from the weak side here, or he's going to overload you over here. And if the center is going the wrong way, you're going to be hot. Yeah. And that's where like, you know, the quarterback has to be firmly ready to throw the ball, if you are wrong. Right. And that's hard when you're in a situation like a third and long because typically the hot answer is not going to pick up a first down. Yeah. He knows this. So it's

I love that cat and mouse game going against Spag and you're trying to get any little tell. It's like, all right, the safety is like inside the end. He, he bails at the safety. If the nickels pressed, he's coming. And then over years, they realize they have tells and it's just a fun part of it Sure was when you have a situation like that and you guessed wrong. Do you know instantly? You're like, oh, you know right away You're like fuck. I you know right away. Sometimes even if you guess wrong, you're like you're like pop out You're like fuck. I'm just gonna try and bail and get something Cuz he is screwed right now. Yeah, so typically, you know right away Yeah guy here because he is screwed right now. Yeah. So typically, you know, right away. Yeah. So once once these guys drop in

this line starts slanting this way, you know, they're bringing it to the field. Yeah. What's the 10 seconds like as you get up to the ball, and you're like scanning the field and you have to figure out protection, all that stuff like what how do you process that? Where does where do your eyes go first? What do you think about? So the first thing you're trying to pick up and this is before you're breaking broken the huddle is what's the down in distance and based on that and kind of your pre-work you're already in a mode

of like these are the pressures they kind of like right? First and ten, second and ten run situations are gonna be in this world, third and long then you're getting ready for the exotics and then was a guy like like spags, certain parts of the field, he'll just whip a blood zero out. And it might not even be a tell like he's gonna give you one or two a game where you're not ready for it at all. And you're just gonna have he's gonna see how you're gonna respond. Right. But you're breaking the huddle. Think about the down to distance engaging the personnel that they have on

the field. They have three down linemen, four down linemen, or they nick or they in dime, and sometimes that stuff will give you little breaks into like the pressures that they're like out of those situations. And then once you get up there, you're IDing where people are. Is it a shell with two safeties back? Is it a single high with the safety down on the line of scrimmage? Is nickel to the field, way off the ball. Hopefully you get a double count, but then they kind of know you're double counting, but then you can get a tell,

somebody will start trying to go back early or something like that, and then you can get a tell like that, but that's kind of the process. And then my whole job is to try and set the protection, the center going in the direction of where the most guys could potentially come. Yeah.

Because the running back can scan. So the only way a six man pro, and this is what you're generally in for the majority of third and long situations, the only way a six man pro is going to get beat is if they bring two to the side of the backs or two away from where the center's going. Yeah. Yeah. And a four down front. Sorry, I know know that we don't we don't know about this as fans sometimes sure and I I don't know maybe it sounds like you really put yourself into you know dedicating your you're like you know prep to this type of like

understanding and you know your routine that you have to get in do you think there's some centers in the NFL that just go up there and they're like, Oh fuck, I have no idea. I'm just going to try to kill the guy that's closest to me. I think probably not anybody who has no idea. Hopefully nobody that has no idea what's happening and just going to kill somebody. I think the position requires a little bit more than that mentally to be good. Cause part of it's not even just one of the things I loved about centers.

It's not just your job. you're responsible for helping other guys play better by just making a call you can make the quarterback better situated you can make the right guard in a better position to block whoever right yeah and you need to embrace that to be a good center in my opinion but I think there's differing degrees of control that centers have. I had a lot in Philadelphia and that got built up over a decade plus of playing there. When I first got there, Michael Vick controlled the vast majority of it. And I was like, hey, I'm going to start this with like what the rule in the playbook is.

We're going to go to the mic and Vick's going to do everything off of that. And then my next year, they give you a little bit more like, all right, because it's hard for the quarterback to know all of those different fronts and everything. They can read coverages and all that other stuff. So the best situation is when the quarterback and center are on the same page, they've talked all week, and they know what each person's looking for.

And I think that the older you get as a center, the more leeway you get in helping the quarterback out, because that's, at the end of the day, our whole job. Yeah. And I mean, a part of your career that was so incredible is the amount of games that you played, not missing a lot of time. I think it was about 150 starts in a row, something like that.

It feels like you know my career. But my question to you is that, you know, we talk about offensive line play all the time and a team gets ravaged by injury and they're shifting guys and even like the chiefs right now, Joe Thooney is going from guard shout to Jack too, man. That's yeah, incredible insane. So how long like at what point do you when you're working with people? Do you feel like all right, I know what they're gonna do,

we can all, the sum of the parts becomes even better because we all know each other so well and we can team block here, versus when someone gets thrown in and you're like, all right, fuck, we're kind of, this is gonna hurt us here. I think it depends on how many new guys there are. There's a level of communication that's verbal,

but there's also a level of communication that you kind of just understand. And that's kind of like where Pat and Travis are on that page, right? Where like, at this point, don't even need to tell each other. Like this guy's outside leverage on this play. I know Travis is going to do this,

even though nobody, he and I haven't even talked about this, we just know it's going to happen. And offensive line is the same way. You know, it's like, okay, when this look happens, I know my right guard is going to do this. Isaac's saying, well and offensive lines the same way you know it's like okay when this look happens i know my right guard's gonna do this isaac same i was gonna do that and when when isaac's not in and there's a new guy you have to over communicate yeah what's about to happen that makes sense and that's hard to anticipate when there's a new guy in there yeah but generally like if there's two new guys on a side that's when i get a little bit concerned

yeah like if you plug a guy in just at one person aside, generally that communication gets ironed out because there's like continuity between the center and that side. Yeah. When there's two new guys in a row. So okay, now we got some room for some communication to break down. Yeah. And that's all it takes is a little communication. It's a big deal. I mean, half of you know, the run game, passing game, half of it is just like everybody being on the same page.

If you're not on the same page in the run game, you're pretty much fucked. If you're not on the same page in the pass game, you're fucked. So that's the most important thing to offensive line play or really offensive football. How bad was the turf in the 2022 Super Bowl? It's pretty bad. Yeah. But we did an investigation. You guys got the You did it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was at work. Tentacles run. You should just bring that up to Travis. Go figure.

Yeah. I got one over you. He's just like the sod father got one over. Yeah. That's right. I didn't lose to Travis Cushing, the chief. So I think he got a ring. Yeah. It's okay to say Max is just viciously shaking his head right now. You know, yeah, I think our D line was was hindered quite a bit. Yeah. But so was Chris Jones. So I wasn't complaining. The side father worked for the Chiefs. So they knew they were wearing the right spikes. They slipped a bunch as well. On the defense. Here's the thing, a bad field is to the advantage of an offensive line. Because

the defensive line are the ones like, really trying to get a good get off on the ball. So multiple times like, their D line slipping too. Now, I happen to think like, you know, Simon Reddick's like major move was taken away because of the way that grass was like he's a heavy bend the edge type rusher. And that kind of got neutralized. Hargrave really good get off quick twitch guy. It's gonna hurt guys like that. Right, right. I had to Yeah, so I played Chris Jones in that. I also played in Dominic and Sue and Nick Farrelly in the snow in Philadelphia.

Love that. Yeah, I played in Dominic and Sue like four years later when he was with Miami or something like that. Maybe it's actually just two years after that two or three years and it was a significantly different in Dominic and Sue. Yeah, good field. Yeah. Who's who's the toughest? Who's the guy who gave you the most problems? So you're like, you know, I know I'm I'm all pro. I know I'm a really good center. But yeah, something about him. There's a lot of guys. Yeah, I mean I think

The best player I ever played against are there and Donald for sure Luckily, he chose to you know be a nightmare for the guard more than he was for the center So I didn't have to deal with it too much. But he was a freak For me specifically Dexter Lawrence in the second half of my career was a nightmare in New York He still is I see I see him now I can't believe I used to have to like try and like block that guy He's fucking enormous like he is and he's not even like big like my first game of the league like Vince Wolfork was like The big guy. Yeah

Hello, D. Nada. Yeah, but like De's like, he almost looks like a basketball player, just ballooned up, he's like an athlete athlete. It's crazy, but he was great, still is. Snax Harrison, who probably if you're not a Giants fan, you might not even know, but he was really good. I was always, for some reason, not the best guy sometimes gave me issues, like Puna on a few yeah backup nose guards sometimes gave me like the most fits out of anybody's right now he's like what the fuck man Puna well he started

and see how I played really good this year kind of like a down year in Buffalo yeah but he had longer arms to me any shorter than me so like for me it's like all right at least when I play a bigger guy, I can get up under them, right? When the leverage battle. And if I play a shorter guys, okay, at least I have longer arms. So like when you play somebody shorter with longer arms, like I've negated every technical advantage I have, I have no mass advantage. So it's like, that's a great answer. Yeah, for yeah. Puno issues. He was I hate it. Like a Buddha. I love that. So with the last Super Bowl, I'm more interested in how you went about scheduling the next podcast after that. Like who sent the first text and it's

like, hey, it's probably intern Brandon, we should probably record in a very softly worded. Yeah, guys. Not sure if you guys are aware, but we have the podcast recording coming up. Yeah. I mean, I was ready to do it. It sucked. It was the worst podcast for me. So yeah, losing a Superbowl that you're playing in is by far the worst feeling imaginable because you take so much to get there. One of these teams is going to be fucking heartbroken. That's why we like you guys win this. That That's where I'm in a weird situation again, where there's a lot of people I care about on both sides,

and you know that somebody is just going to be absolutely fucking devastated. Right. And it's like, on some level, you almost wish you lose the championship round or some other round. Yeah. It was great. It was great for me this year.

I love it. Thank you. Well, and the commanders, they're playing with House Money this year. There's like zero Expectations of that. Okay, so I get the house money argument, but at the same time There's a lot of guys that get to the NFC championship or AFC championship that don't get back So it's like when you're there you want to win, but I am glad that we got our ass kicked That's way better than then lose almost like like yeah, you lose on a call or the bills. Yeah every time the

Then lose almost like like yeah, you lose on a call or yeah the pills. Yeah every time the It's funny. So that is the year we won the shoe ball Brent Selleck actually started that year out saying he went to the NFC Championship the second year in the league is either first or second year He just thought he'd go back right like every year and then it took him all the way to like year 13 or whatever It was 11 to get back to this room also yeah don't take it for granted when it's there it's hard to get those teams together it really is unless you have like a perennial quarterback which I hope maybe yeah you look pretty good this year after a bad loss what's the time frame for like friends and family to text you? Because we've

been lucky enough to do this a long time that we know a bunch of these guys. And I always am like, I usually give it a week because I don't know how, if you text someone a day later like, hey man, that sucked. Day later's good. You think so? I feel like because everybody's texting them the day of. Yeah. The day of is wrong. The day of, it's like, first the day of it's like first of all

There's a lot of texts happening. Yeah, you're still like pissed off and don't want to respond to anybody right next day is a good text Okay, emotions have kind of come down Sorry, like what's the stages of grief you're like in that denial denial is happening the first day. Yeah Second what's second stage maybe acceptance? Yeah, I think you've started first day. Yeah. Second, what second stage maybe acceptance? Yeah. I think you've started. That's probably right. This is the end. Anger, anger, anger is in there. Anger is definitely bargaining as well. bargaining. Yeah, bargaining. Yeah, sod father, because you start thinking about like all the

bargaining in like the stage of the group for the Super Bowl losses. Like, man, if I just would have did this, or I would have, yeah, that's what's happening really, especially the second day. Okay, God damn, I could have won the Super Bowl if I just would have done this. Right. Like if I would have. Yeah. And that's what's happening really, especially the second day. Okay. God damn it. I could have won the shoot ball if I just would have done this. Right. Like if I would just would have did that, we would be super champions. And everybody was like, Mark Andrews is doing that with the, uh, the loss this year in the playoffs. Right. Yeah. And he does it negates everything else he's done for the entire season, right? His entire existence as a Raven. It comes, he's like thinking about. And every other mistake that anyone else made in that game.

Everybody's thinking about it. So just don't make the last mistake. Yeah. That's a big one. Yeah. That's why everybody remembers. Yeah, like everybody remembers Bradford with the hole in call on Juju Smith in our last Super Bowl.

They don't remember me fucking up a blitz on third and five or whatever, right? And sounds like you remember oh I remember it it haunts me very much so I've been bargaining for that for a long time but I think so that next day text okay is good to distract that person's mind from thinking about all that yeah because I don't know I mean that's just it's it's got to be and then the element of Travis has you rubbed it in your face at all he's been a element of Travis has you rubbed it in your face at all?

He's been a good brother. He is not rubbed it on my face. He His face, huh? I don't think I would know come on I mean you're the older brother you can kind of I think well, let me but now being on this side of it I definitely would not do it right had I never experienced what it feels like to lose a Super Bowl I still don't think I would have done it. It's a fricking downer. It's a big one. Yeah. But if you had played another year

and then you somehow beat the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, then you would rub that in his face because he already got one on you. Yeah, if we were one on one, then it's like all fair play. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. It's really hard to rub something in Travis's face

when he's better in like every facet of the career you chose to go into. Okay, well you chose to go into. Okay, when you put it that way, okay, okay. You're a much better dresser than he is. Yeah, that's right. You can drink more beer than him, I assume. I actually, you know what, he can down some beers. Really? Yeah, he's very good. You gotta have something. I think I always can hang my hat that I'm the older brother. Yeah, your mom's got to love you the most the mom definitely loves Travis This came across my timeline the other day this is Travis back in like 2015 maybe 2016 do you remember this when he went through like his kind of meth era

What is that? I don't know he's going to like a shop class. Look at that. Yeah, that's crazy Yeah that? I don't think he's going to like a shop class. Look at that. That's crazy. I protect it. Yeah. Burner. Yeah. I mean, Travis always had some pretty amazing style. Yeah. But yeah, so you were just saying earlier how you know, getting away from the NFL, you weren't sure if your body could do it. It's a lot of pain, a lot of stuff that aches every single day. Is it harder being a podcaster though?

Yeah, my back hurts way more podcasting. Yeah. I'm seated more. Yeah, like I feel awful every day. Yeah. If I don't work out, I feel worse than when I did playing football. Oh, I don't work out.

I'm not making that up. I always feel bad, yeah. They're gonna do a study on podcasters. I think it's gonna be like, they're gonna have to make a movie about it. It going to be an epidemic. These guys, yeah, they really put their lives on the line. Watching football 12 hours every Sunday. This is a scary lifestyle. Yeah. This is if CTE is from repetitive hits to the head. Yeah. What's the podcasters brain function where they just never got their heart rate up enough to get the blood up to the

head. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, I'm never operating at 100%. Slowly strangling yourself, yeah. Wait, so Travis doesn't give you shit about the Super Bowl, does your wife give you shit about her podcast being more successful than yours? Oh, all the time. Yeah. That sucks. Yeah, hey, it's all going to the same account. Yeah, that's true. That's true. It's a team win.

Yeah, right. It's success across the board. Yeah, it's true. That's true. It's a team win. Yeah, right. It's success across the board. Yeah. It seems like you guys enjoy it. You guys are crushing it. Yeah. I mean, it's been... Yeah.

I think the podcast on both sides has been amazingly successful, and we have a lot of people that help us out with it, and that's been fun. I think that we didn't really know we're still working out like the scheduling of everything. Like I think that that's the reality of one of the things I do miss about football is like everything is like it's almost like the military, where every hour of your day is scheduled to the tee. And when you're in the podcasting world, at least for me, you guys may be way more dialed than I am. But I feel like you're more between that and ESPN and all this stuff,

you're kind of all over the place. Yeah. Oh, hop on a zoom here. I'll go do this. We can get this guest at this time. Yeah, I'll be there for that. And I think that when we're both in that kind of realm, we've kind of had to figure out how do we like bring organize to this chaos, right? Right. So that's been a new experience. But is there a part of you? That's like you're busier than you were when you're playing football I'm doing everything like less busy, but I'm more inefficient with my time. Okay, like I feel like castor like like yeah like like every every second of your day is busy or that you're working for and you're Amazingly successful at utilizing your time.

And now I'm just like the biggest time suck. I lose so many hours because I'm like, Oh, if I just like, uh, you know, I got this in an hour. So I'll do nothing for an hour. Yes. That's what we've been doing for the last hour and a half. There we go. Yeah. So that's a lot of my day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's crazy to see your career I mean we were reminiscing. I don't know if you remember this you probably don't but you know, I think it was 2017 We went long. Yeah, we went to the Eagles for sure Bears game And then we went to Bo Allen's house after you Bo Chris long and Brent Selick and it's like, you know

You're people don't know offensive lineman that well and it's just like now to think about how popular and like incredible your post career has gone is insane. Yeah. I mean, back then did not expect this one bit. Yeah. I don't think you said anything. You were just sitting on the couch. Yeah. I was just hanging out. Yeah. I think it won't play me to drink, drink a beer. Yeah. Um, but I think, yeah, what were you even talking about? We were just hanging out, just hanging out. Yeah, yeah. I think You had some point, you know seeing other guys have successful podcast Travis

I just decided to try and do it and then we fucked out lucky enough to play each other in a shoe bowl The first I know it's pretty good These numbers up a little bit we have a very good demographic diversity in our so yeah I would say so yeah you got it yeah I sometimes like click on my Instagram follows and like it's like 99.9% dudes yeah I mean you've you've done very well in the podcast game. I think you understand how to poke the the hornet's nest sometimes But you apologize too much. Yeah, that's one thing you've told me the secretary thing you had a great take Like I agree I DM'd you right after I was like hey

I'm on the offline like don't fucking apologize. You not do this We have to we have to stick together like you have a good take that fucking horse was doing steroids We've heard from horse racing Randy Moss. He he's like the biggest proponent of the sport. He's like, yeah, I mean Probably was From his legacy, but we can be we can speak honestly about we should dig up his fucking corpse and give him a blood test Yeah, see what's what I don't apologize and then you apologize to a dead horse the dude at Penn State We don't to rehash out shouldn't apologize. Yeah, I was a dickhead. That was a soft apology Yeah, that was a dig that you do you just got to stand people love you and people have your back Anyway, if you say secretary did a little steroids who cares

It was funny cuz you're like heartfelt in your contention you're like I know that there's a lot of fans of a horse racing out there did not mean to denigrate and the passion that you so clearly have for a legend no no the horse was juicing yeah I hit you up right away I was like dude don't apologize we apologize. Do not apologize. I was like, we have your back. Have you ever seen Secretary's balls? Have you ever seen his balls? No. That's right, because they're so fucking small. Because he's black.

You ever see him fucking swing a bat? Guy could hit it 550 feet. Just promise us that you won't apologize to any more horses. Yeah. All right. I will agree to that. And yeah, we could be. The apologizing thing, is difficult too,

because it just gets like clipped up and it doesn't accomplish anything. You can't please everyone. Anybody. Right. Yeah. It's like, guys, I was just trying to be funny about a horse taking steroids. I wasn't being that serious about it. And literally do I know secretary, it's like grandparents, tweeting out messages. I'm messages like god damn it. Yeah, but that's all like you'll just appease the like five people that are actually mad

at you and they'll just be mad about the next thing. No doubt. So no more apologies. We could be apology police for you. If you have a thought of apologizing, let it run it by. I'm going to run it by you guys. It was like, fuck no. No, do not.

That kid at Penn State was a dick. He was. Back you up was a dick. He was. Back you up on that one. He was. It was also great product placement. I thought it might've been a viral ad. We were so stupid in our podcast range. Was this planned?

Yeah, we were like, oh, this is going to be a Super Bowl commercial. I mean, it was a very perfect slap on the ground. You put that phone into the Earth's core. Yeah, it was great. It was awesome. We'll get back to Jason Kelsey in a second. He's brought to you by Mountain Dew Baja Blast. You can add a blast of refreshing tropical lime flavor

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are I mean Saquon Barkley almost broke the Russian title he would have broken the title if he would have played I mean yeah he definitely fucking good yeah, absolutely. They still have Jeff Stoutland, Lane Johnson. I mean, Lane Johnson's been the linchpin of the line for a long time. It was Jason Peters, then it really went to Lane Johnson. Jordan Mulata this year has been potentially, I mean, I think he might have been the most, the best tackle in the NFL this year.

And I say that like Lane is still the best pass blocking tackle, but Mulata does a lot of things in the run game as well. Both of those guys booking in that line have been unbelievable. Yeah, that's just a little podcast or trick. Anytime somebody good retires, you just hop you try to be the first person. I'm a part of it. Yeah. Are they better without this awesome guy?

That's how the takes work. Yeah. Yeah. You got to fire them off. One thing I love about your career is you were an underdog and like, you know, going to Cincinnati, changing positions, being a fire mom one thing. I love about your career is you you were an underdog and like, you know Going to Cincinnati changing positions being a late-round draft pick was there ever a point? Where you were like this might not be my future because I always loved those stories where people were like, yeah I actually had a sliding-door moment where it's like if this didn't happen I probably can't keep going and have the career I have yeah, there's a lot of points

The big one coming out of high school was being a walk-on. I'm like a walk-on linebacker. And I had a grandfather who was actually a low-key piece of shit. I love the guy, but he was a bad grandpa and a bad person. Let me tell you that he was a good grandpa, bad person. Yeah, all right. Better grandpa than person.

Yes, which, hey, good job being a good grandpa. And he gave me a quote about persistence from Calvin Coolidge at the time. And it really just hit me smack dab right in the face when he gave it to me. That's a good quote. It's like the world is filled with geniuses that don't work hard enough. Essentially. And they say that they could have been something. Wasted talent. Nothing will take the place of persistence.

Talent will not. The world is full of unsuccessful talent. Genius will not. Unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not. The world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent, right? So it's basically like, don't give up, you pussy.

Yeah, it's all right don't give up you pussy Right, and it was just a great quote and I would I'd like a lot of like division two offers and like a Lot of division three like places I could go I was like, you know what? I'm gonna go try and walk on a division one program and see if I can't hang with these guys and ended up going to Cincinnati That it really just gotten a lot of fortune to be honest with you like Paul Longo. Sorry, beers get me. Paul Longo was a strength coach that came with Brian Kelly.

And he's got a movement offensive line. If he would have never came to Cincinnati, I don't know that I've ever been moved offensive line. Right. Because I had never played the position. I didn't know how to fucking do it. And he was like, hey, I've done this. He did with Joe Staley at central Michigan. And then he did it with me and Phil and Cincinnati before I came to Philly. And it, uh,

that kind of sparked everything. Yeah. Got a starting job in college. Then you're undersized. I got lucky that Howard mud came to Philadelphia who worked with Jeff Saturday at Indianapolis, likedasize offensive lineman. So he drafted me and how a Roseman and then they got fortunate to work with Jeff Stalin has been the best offensive line coach in the past decade. Yeah. So it's like, it's kind of fucking crazy how really just that one little stupid quote led

to me walking into like the most fortuitous situations over and over again, even though everybody else thought I was terrible or didn't think I'd make it. I kept getting these situations where it's like one, the right person kind of believed in me. I love those stories though, because it's, you know, I think there's the one thing I hate when people get very successful and they're like, oh yeah, I'm just more talented than everyone.

It's like, no, there has to be lucky breaks? There has to be people that believe in you along the way to get to where you're at And it's really cool to hear like all those people along the way for sure and nobody's so talented that they did on their own Right. I mean, I guess maybe miles scared but maybe There's like I think Arnold and his like new book he's like, you know, I'm not a self-made man I'm the opposite of a self-made man. There's a bunch of people that help make me to be this successful. Right, right.

And I think for sure most football players are like that. Most coaches feel that way because you realize, especially in football, there's so many different things that you're relying on to do your job. When are you going to start coaching? When are you going to be the assistant offensive line coach for Stoutland? Is that in the future at all? Because I mean, that would be part of me would love to do

that. Yeah. But that would be a significant pay decrease. Okay, from podcasting. So I'm navigating that. There's also just a time commitment of those guys. Yeah, it's like, you know, I got three young kids a fourth on the way. And I don't know that I'm ready for that yet. Yeah, but I know that I would absolutely love it. I love like the X's and O's part of it. I love being with the guys.

That's the thing I miss most about. Like, do I want to play in the Super Bowl? Yeah, I want to play in the Super Bowl. I want to be like with the guys. Right. I want. You know what I mean? And when you're not on the field with them, that's what you miss. Yeah. Yeah. You get to say we's what you miss. Yeah, for sure.

You get to say we still about the Eagles. Yeah, for sure. What about us? Like if I talk about the commanders, Big Cat talks about the Bears. Yeah. We say we. We feel like we're on the team.

The mouse in your pocket. Is that cool? I'm fine with that. Well, I say they when they stop. As long as you guys are legitimately, yeah, you have to be full in. Oh yeah, no, no, no. Well then, yeah.

I know. Well, I do like, I do catch myself every now they suck. Well, then. I know. Yeah. They fucked up. I do catch myself every now and then being like they when it's going bad. I'm like, wait, now you got to stay consistent. Yeah. I think I might have said they early on in the eagle season

when people were down in the shit. And they're really not doing this well. They sucked. One thing that gets said about you a lot is that you're a better person than you were a football player. People say that about me. Yeah, they say that about you. Do you realize that you're making this up on the spot? I've seen a lot of quotes like he's an incredible person, but do you realize that's bullshit? We're here to tell you that. Yeah, that's why I'm here is because

that would make me like honesty. Like you're you're one of the top. I don't know if you're in the hall of fame. I don't know how many people are in the hall of fame, but one of the top thousand guys ever to play football You're not you're not one top five thousand people to ever live. I can guarantee. I'm not a good person. I'm a piece of shit We always say like when people are like oh JJ Watts a better person than football player. Yeah, dude He was a really good football. Yeah There's no chance. Yeah, like zero be that good of a person he's a great person Dalai Lama, yeah I might not have gone that didn't age. Well, did it? No, he looks boys. Yeah fuck

That's a weird week on the really weird we yeah He just say he was just like it looked like he was like sending an envelope with the state Is there anybody that is lived up to being a good, like Mahatma Gandhi, like apparently like just love sex orgies or something like that. Yeah. It's always worse out. Yeah. There's something.

It's like, it's, it's gotta be like just some random person that you never knew. Wasn't there something like with mother Teresa where there was some, yeah, she's bad. She was a stat. She, she was a stack compiler. I mean, what the fuck? Yeah. I think she had some bad tweets. She would go into a hospital and just be like, bless, bless,

bless, bless, just walk through the hallways. Rippin' through them. And she's like, got another 200 today. Yeah. Another 200 souls in heaven. Yeah. There's a lot of garbage time stuff. Yeah, there's garbage time that got added to her lifetime

of the ass. I'm dead serious. You take out the garbage time. The PFF grades suck. I think Mr. Rogers the garbage time. I think I think Mr. Rogers, if Mr. Rogers, if some bad came out about him, I be like, Yeah, fuck, nothing's real. Yeah, he's a one one solid him and weird out, I think. Yeah, the best people are like, it's like some like grandma, like Toledo or

something that no one ever has heard of. Yeah, that's, that's probably the best person. There's no question. Yeah, you're way better football player than human. Yeah. I mean you were an incredible football player. People did always, I mean it seems like, especially in your entire career, like you're, you were a locker room guy. Would you, did you like take pride in that being like, cause you, you know, you had roster turnover year over year where you had to play with tons of iterations of a roster where you're like, I take pride in being

like the glue guy here a little bit. I don't know if you ever think about it that way. You're just kind of like going about being a teammate. And I think when you've, I don't know, when you've been on the shit end of the stick or on low man on the totem pole, you kind of just have a frame of reference for that. And I think there's always people

that you know that treated you well, that you looked up to, and people that maybe didn't do it as well. And you're like, OK, how can I just be a good teammate? And I think that's, there's, you also find out, at least I did, I think, that a lot of the selfish things that happen in football specifically, where guys get worried about You also find out, at least I did, I think, that a lot of the selfish things that happen in football specifically where guys get worried about another guy taking their job or they don't talk to young players, it almost never works out for the older guy.

It almost always leads to something bad happening. It's almost always the young guy ends up playing and the guy gets traded or cut. I do do think there's even like a bit of selfishness there of like hey like no, it's actually good for you to like Talk to this guy and like be in a conducive work environment You're gonna play better as well, right? And like at the very end of the day if this guy's better than you he's gonna take your job regardless, right? Like it's an inevitable thing. Yeah, you know what I mean? So like you can either be a proactive member of this and that guy can then be like hey Like that guy was really awesome to me young in my career, or he can be a piece of shit.

And then that guy's still going to take your job and then you're going to be remembered as this douchebag. Yeah. Yeah. And if you can teach somebody how to do something, if you're like trying to be helpful, show them the way, if you can actually impart that knowledge, you're learning more about it yourself, right?

There's no question. I mean, we, Scott would actually talk about that. Like he would have guys, older players, describe plays to young guys. Because a big part of like learning something when you're teaching something, you're actually reinforcing it to yourself, right? So like when you do that, especially in the confi- context, like a group, like everybody's collective thought on like what this play is becomes more solidified Yeah, so I firmly believe that like you teaching somebody else is actually helping you. Yeah, it's really good And you're also gonna like I even cam jurgens when he was a rookie Landon Dickerson when he was a rookie

You're gonna find stuff out from them that you can take even though they're rookies They still have frames of reference from the game and like college. They're doing Creative new shit all every year. It's like, okay okay that's how you guys did that and then you're like okay well that's fucking stupid or you're like oh that's fucking really cool yeah I'm trying to do that yeah I don't know yeah I'm fascinated by the the transition you made when you go to college and you become a lineman yeah what a running back and a linebacker it's a linebacker primarily I did we were in a wing tee in high school. Oh, nice. And I was a one of the wing guys. And we would run the ball at me. 98% of the time. Yeah, it's just a lead blocker

in the wing. Yes. And every once in a while, the entire defense knew that was happening. Right. And we I get an audible jet sweep the other way. So I was like nine point eight yards of carry because it was wide open. That's awesome Yeah, but I was a lot backer. So you go to college and some coaches like hey, we'd like you to play center. Yeah We're you immediately like okay. No, I Was in winter conditioning. This is right when Paul Longo got hired and he said, uh You make a good center one day. I'm like, what the fuck is this guy talking about?

I've never played offensive line. I'm 235 pounds. I thought he was like, just like fucking with me, like calling me unathletic. He's like a linebacker. Like, is that what that was his way to shit talk me for being like a bad athlete is when I would talk about it. You got fat over the winter break. It's like, I get it.

I freaking put on a freshman 15. I'm doing it. And then I was a walk-on in like three days into spring practice, spring ball, before we started hitting, which was like the worst part of my game, because we were just doing like seven on seven. I couldn't cover anybody. Like I was a downhill fill the eight gap,

Mike Kleinbecker. I was not like go in this probably why they move into offensive line. But three days in they do like, Hey, we want to try out offensive line. So I do that for the spring. And then after that, they came up and the offensive line coach,

Jeff Quinn, I was like, Hey, we're going to keep you at center. As I will coach I'll probably just transfer like I don't think I'm gonna put on 60 pounds 50 pounds for free I'm a walk-on I'll just go walk on someplace else right and they said well if you agree to go to offensive line we can't give you a scholarship in the fall but we can give you one in the winter like we're already filled for this next quarter right but the moment those guys graduate we'll put

you on scholarship. So that was kind of like a quick way that I got a scholarship after my first year. That's my first contract negotiation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I just like loaded up on the double cheeseburgers and french fries and I had high blood pressure for a year in college because I was eating so terrible.

That's incredible though that he just looked at you and was like, yeah, you'd be a center. And I mean, that's what Paul did. Like he'd again, Joe Staley at Central Michigan, he did with a bunch of guys at Iowa to like, he had this knack of just looking at somebody's frame. And he believed in like taking athletic guys and making them offensive lineman. Right? That was like his model. Yeah. I love that. That like character trait about a football coach where he just looks at a human

being. He's like, sees his hips hips tight end All right. I don't know if it was the way I was moving on what it was God really ever all everybody else thinks I'm way too small. I know you're gonna be All right, I got a very important question for you your draft King Sportsbook We're drafting sports. Yeah, shout out our guys at draft King Sportsbook. We love them Yes, if you had to bet aside in this game had to bet Sportsbook, we love them. Yes. If you had to bet a side in this game. Had to bet. Okay, and we use the points? On the DraftKings Sportsbook, are we doing straight money lines?

I think the spread's one and a half right now. Spread's one and a half, it's good, yeah. This was one, because we were just talking about all this stuff on the pod, and I didn't want to touch anything with the game. I ended up taking- So you got a prop? Yeah.

Yeah, we did a prop parlay. I took my homes over on passing touchdowns and anytime hurts and then a coin flip. All right. Because I can't. What did you do with the coin flip? I went tails. All right. Good. Good. Good call. Never fails.

Absolutely. Tails never fails. But it's yeah, it's hard. This one's a very difficult one. I could see it going either way. I think the Eagles are really really talented but if the game's close it's always just like the Mahomes. I've seen it before. It's Mahomes, Andy Reid, they've been

there so many times so I could see them getting out to a big lead and having a controlling game the Eagles but I could also see it being really close because they got Spagnolo, they have a really good defense. I, I, you know, it's, it's the dumbest analysis, but it's also the smartest. Like before, I think it was maybe the chief's Texans game. I was like, we're breaking it down. I was like, I don't know, man. Like if Mahomes need, if they need a first down, Mahomes lead the run forward or find Travis Kelsey and then they'll get it. Yeah. And then they'll just do that again. And then they'll win the game. I know there's a lot more to football and the defense and everything,

but it's like when you decipher it down to like the three or four gotta have it plays on offense for the Chiefs in this run has just been mums with his feet or finding Travis. And their defense is really good. They keep them in those situations. If they didn't have a good defense, the Chiefs would not be a good football team. I mean, no team would be good without a defense, but well, the commanders were pretty good. Yeah, keep them in those situations. If they didn't have a good defense, the Chiefs would not be a good football team. Yeah. I mean, no team would be good without a defense,

but well, commanders were pretty good. Yeah. We ended up being like average by the end of the year. They got a lot better by the end of the year. Yeah. Bobby Wagner and like Dan Quinn did a phenomenal job. We had a great goal line defense against the tush push. There you go. Just jump over top. Yeah. Just keep going off. How much more awarded points? How much would that suck? Yeah. Being cam jurgens, you got a bad back. Landing on you over and over. Yeah, I think it's, yeah, they have a defense that's going to keep the game within a score and they have a quarterback that is like the best of all time with the game that close. So it's, it's hard to like pick against that and that's why they keep winning. Yeah.

Have you ever been thinks that the officials are on their side and yeah, it's all rigged for them because they how do they continue to win all these games? Sad father, sad father. That one was real. Yeah. Have you noticed the difference in Sirianni and that like you obviously, you saw him when he's early coach, he goes to the playoffs and goes to to the Super Bowl last year didn't go so well towards the end of the year

Felt like he was kind of losing a little bit of the whole hold of the rope, but this year they've been incredible Yeah, like what has he do you think it's just him getting more comfortable with the job? No, I think they got better players this year and hired two really good coordinators. Not that the guys weren't there last year weren't good. It's just, I think they have better players. Offensively they signed Saquon, right? Defensively, all these young guys they've drafted have panned out. Yeah. Quinion Mitchell.

Quinion, Cooper, Zach Bond in the off season. Jared Carter has really come into it. Someone gotten even better from his work here. So like they have a lot of really talented players. The young guys have panned out and both of those coordinators have done really well. I think Nick's been a great head coach since he's been there. He communicates really well in team meetings. He's the organizational aspect of being a head coach.

He's quite frankly, probably the best I've been around. I mean, I was young when I was with Andy, so it's hard for me to, I wasn't evaluating the head coach, he's like a rookie. Right. I was like, yeah, yes sir, yep, I'll go do that. But now having been through four different head coaches, he does that very, very well. So I think he was a great head coach last year. There's just a lot of circumstances that led to a deterioration at the end of it.

Part of that's like the defense underperformed offensively, started getting crushed, couldn't handle blitzes. Now they've gotten the structure back and they're excelling. And he also knows when to use his kids as human shields. Dude, he's been doing that. That was the best. I felt so bad. That was the funniest like smush transparent move.

I would do the same thing I was caught in the middle of this like I just can't wait if he does win the true bowl I really hope he brings the kids up yeah yes it's like this giant yeah question right it's alright so are you ready we got a whole gang of Philly representation in the room baby are

you ready for some guest questions oh fuck yeah. Okay, so let's start with Rhone. Rhone, I see him, he's already getting ready. Yep, Rhone's ready to go. I love that fucking sweatshirt. You were so, you obviously feel it, but I don't think there's anyone in Philly that's more loved than you.

Rhone might be one of them. Don't say that, Rhone is up there. Don't say that, it's not true. I think the thing about Jace's you look like an Eagles fan Yeah, I think if you were to take like one guy in the NFL and be like does this person look like so we do this From the city of the team. We look we did a look-alike thing yesterday with Marriott where or Marriott where There's like 25 Kelsey look-alikes and there's been like all these look-alikes all around the city. I

Just I think I look like a lot of white guys that have beards and are kind of overweight. The average city I'm very relatable to. PMT is right. It's like 101 Dalmatians. When the owners look like the dogs, you just slowly started looking more like Philly. It's like when Gardner mentioned she was on the Jags. I was like, that dude, he's from Jackson. Fair enough.

But that's kind of what my question kind of leads into. Like, Delco, Delaware County, has almost become like a national thing. Like, people know about Delco. And then I see you on, they call it Late Night, and you're like rocking the Timbs and the hoodies. And it's like Delco-coded almost. And then like the Sea Owl stuff.

Like, how has that informed your personality? How did you kind of choose that as your tribe as opposed to living in a gated community in South Jersey or something like that? You're in the shit. Yeah, I mean I would not say we're in the shit You're mixing it up. You're a common man. Yeah, that's what I mean by it Well, I grew up wearing the Timbs in high school That was like I wore a pair of sketchers one time to high school. And I never again, I was like, dude, I gotta wear something better than this. And all the all the everybody who was cool as shit more Tim. So I'm wearing

Tim's from now on. It's proportional to your body. Yeah, that's the thing is you got to really wear. Yeah, I can't wear like running shoes. That's right. But um, you know, I don't know I think I Don't I've always identified and like I just like hanging out with people that are freaking down to earth Don't take things too. Seriously just want to you know, enjoy life have a beer So yeah, that's kind of trying to surround myself in those areas I wanted to be an upper Darby actually. And Kyle was like,

there's no fucking chance we're living in upper Darby. What's wrong with upper Darby? That's what I said. I'm like, they have fights every day at school. And I'm like, that's what we had. We had that in my high school. That was the best part. You learn more about life in a school like that.

I would say my kid's the most violent out of your school. Yeah. Harden them. And they're like like Jason, we have three daughters. Okay, that's fair. Yeah. I'm learning to fight. And then real quick, extras and ohs.

So everybody's talking about the big thing in the off season was like the line calls are going from you to Jalen Hurts. To Jalen. Yeah, to Jalen. So as you're assessing back over the season, how do you feel like he did and what did you do to kind of prepare him to take on that big role? I think we've we've been like kind of jointly doing that for a long time. Now I would handle it a lot at the line of scrimmage. He would handle extreme situations, blitz zero, things that need checks and now he's taken over for all of it and he's done a great job and I think the biggest the biggest like

thing that's the most important with blitz pickup is that the quarterback knows where the protection is and he has an answer if he's gonna be hot that's the most important thing and now he is so aware of all that that even when it's not picked up he knows where to go with the football it's not a catastrophic situation and I think that towards the end of the year and especially if you're going up against a guy like Spags, who's gonna overload you, if you don't, if you aren't comfortable being hot,

it's a bad situation to be in. And I think that now they've handled that so much better. And the numbers seem to say that. I mean, I don't remember exactly what they were, but I know early in the year, the numbers against the Blitz were like very, very good. So I think he's done well. Yeah, I think so too. you're doing great too brother thanks

for your questions all right Max what do you call a group of people from Philly you know how it's like a murder of two shows John but that's in a loving way yeah it's John right it's a John. Yeah. The plural and singular, whatever. Yeah. You met Max over in Tahoe. We did. This is a lot of meat on this couch right now. You are literally his hero. You probably, you saw him in the beer Olympics.

I did. Cosplayed as you. Yeah. Nailed it. This is a big moment for him. It's a big moment for me. No, I'm cool. I'm confident. His voice quivered.

No, no. Strong. Confident. We have Jason Kelsey at home. Do you have a question? Yeah, no, I got a question. I got a question. Have you decided what you're wearing for the game yet? No, this is serious. This is serious.

You're blowing this, dude. No, I'm not. No, I'm not. Because this is, I've talked to my friends. I've talked to my family the one question it I don't know what I'm wearing yet. I'm still figuring it out I was gonna wear a share t-shirt to just like not anything Eagles or cheese. Yeah, that's not completely different Yeah, I have not figured it out yet. No, just my shirtless. Do you have? recommendations yes Eagles

Do you have recommendations? Yes, Eagles. Okay. That is my recommendation. I understand that, you know, cheese, brother, you love family, but I mean, the city of Philadelphia. There's some family there. Maybe get Big Dom to give you a tracksuit. I could just wear a Big Dom shirt. Yeah.

Oh, that would be good. Big Dom's the best. Big Dom's the best. We met him finally for the first time yesterday told us he he just pared down his entire closet He's only has 131 tracks. I mean, it's what he wears every single day And Lane Johnson was very he was like I've never seen his legs Never seen him run I've never seen his legs. Yeah, I mean, he's fully tracksuit. Every single day see him. You go in there before the game, there's cannolis and like freaking chicken cutlet sandwiches.

I love that. It's the best thing ever. Look at the life force behind the Philadelphia Eagles. And I believe that. Yeah. I mean, look at our record when freaking he got kicked out of the game against San Fran. And then all of a sudden, I mean, there's something to it. Yeah. He's been a mainstay in Philly for a long Fran. Yeah. All of a sudden, I mean, there's something to it. Yeah. He's been a mainstay in Philly for a long time.

Yeah. All right, Max, you got one up. All right, last question. I feel like the super, like the most recent Super Bowl was when you became like nationally known for like a personality and everything. Yeah. I feel like in Philadelphia, it was the parade speech.

Yeah, 17, yeah. That was like where everyone really, everyone knew we had a great center, but that was, it was like, all right, this guy is, you know, the face of this city, as far as personality and everything goes. Did you like have an idea of what you were gonna say going into that and then just kind of went off of that?

Or did you write everything down, like rehearse it? What went into that, going into that speech? Didn't write it down, but it wasn't like off the cuff like either, because you know, you win a shoot ball and you like, you just think about this stuff. So like the moment you win, you're like thinking about everything you had to do in your career to get there and all these things that had to go right to accomplish that lifetime achievement. And you're like thinking about that initially. And then you start thinking about like, oh my God, like not think about Nick Foles and, you know, you know,

Lane Johnson, like all these guys, their career story arcs as well. Now you're thinking about even just like the season, how a lot of these guys were kind of like misfits added in. And you think about Doug Peterson, Howie Roseman was just on the other side of the bill. So like all that stuff starts going in. So I kind of knew, I remember

like three in the morning, I like wake Kylie up. I'm like, Hey, like, what do you think about this? I got like say it. And she's like, will you go to sleep? And so I kind of knew what I wanted to say. I knew I wanted to kind of go through the coaches, then the how I then go through the team I wanted to kind of go through the coaches then to how we then go through the team and then draw back to Philly and That's kind of how it happened. Yeah. Yeah. Good job. All right, that's it. I love you. Yeah And then last one. What are you wearing? Yeah. Yeah, what are you wearing? I will be wearing my Eagles overalls underneath a black sweatshirt that Big Dom gave me. So I can't, now my ass is just in it.

Is it a butt crack out? Alright good. I actually like that butt crack out is out for this. Alright that's it. Good job Max. Alright Kate's last stop. That had everything. Everything we expected more Max.

You are all these people's heroes. You know that. Kate is last up. You met at your last game. That had everything everything we expected more magic you're all these people's heroes, you know that Kate is last up who you you met at your event. Yeah It's gonna be weird you got this Kate. Oh, hi Jason. Hi Kate You probably remember me from the Eagles autism fundraiser last summer Yes, where I drank so much that I donated a thousand dollars to play flip cup with you.

And then I lost and then later that night I had a full blown panic attack because I just yelled at Pat for buying a $99 beach umbrella. We got into a huge argument. How are you doing? Doing good. Good. Great. Yeah, that was cool.

So my thing is roasting a little bit. I've been on here before I roasted Chris Long. Okay. So I think you have tough skin. All right, let's do it. Here we go. In 2007, the UC Bearcats won the Papa John's Pizza Bowl. And here in New Orleans, you were in the 2010 Sugar Bowl.

Oh God. Maybe it's time for's pizza bowl. And here in New Orleans, you were in the 2010 Sugar Bowl. Oh, God. Maybe it's time for a salad bowl. You know? I'm just kidding. I like my men how I like my Campbell's soup. Chunky. Yeah! But wow, look at you post-retirement.

Podcasting, singing, late night TV show, beer, commercials, NFL commentary. Flag number 62, holding, onto relevancy. Holy shit. My God. Taylor Swift has songs like Blank Space and You Need to Calm Down. What's it like to be such a big inspiration to her? No, you know what, I can't roast you. I can't do this. I don't know if you could tell. I'm a huge Eagles fan and I'm a huge fan of you. And I have an ulterior motive. And this is genuine. I

want to become part of your inner circle so fucking bad. I want to get in with your people. Shout out Emily Texting her about kids stuff. Yeah, we're super cool You know my mom Havertown you're up behind the Manoa shopping center I'm sure everybody knows the Manoa shopping center dad Drexel Hill down the street from Maple Lane's bowling alley, you know Yeah, I pretend to be from Delco You're from Delco. That's a So I thought we could go over some things we both have in common and maybe you could decide to like bowl me a deer in a circle instead.

I can't do that. We've both lost rings. You lost your Super Bowl ring in a pool of Skyline Chili and I got divorced once. I don't know for sure, but I'd say both an enormous amount of pubic hair. It's true. You played for the Byrds, and I've been told I look like Larry Byrd.

My mom also prefers my brother. We won't say it out loud, but we both think Patrick Mahomes is a fucking dork. I know we do. You were a fast offensive lineman. Back in my prime, I was offensively fast with lines and men. We're both obsessed with your wife. Big time. Yeah, definitely.

Someone got in your face to call your brother the F-slur. That used to happen to me too in high school, but my brother was on the robotics team. So it checked out Wait there's more We both know what it's like to have haters Yours because you're incredibly smart You're kind hard-working and that leads to a lot of success. People get jealous of that. And mine is more of a personality thing. People just kind of hate me because of who I am. Really, though, I admire you and your family so much. I have to do it.

Sorry. I admire you and your family so much. I love that you stayed in Philly, that you continue to highlight the team and the city in such positive and fun ways all the time and what your family does for Delco and businesses there and the Eagles Autism Foundation is amazing. And, uh, I just, I just love you. You're still fat though. Officially part of the inner circle. Yes, has to be.

All right, well, Jason, this has been so much fun. We have one last question, rollback question. R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com promo code take. 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Rollback.com promo code take. Kate mentioned it. How does your wife deal with you?

Because she actually, I think, is like a role model for all idiots out there. Like I know personally, I'm like, look at him. When my wife is like, you're being an idiot. I'm like, but he's got his shirt off. Yeah. I've actually been told not to, like, I've done a lot of shit in my bar stool career.

I told you about eating vomit. Yeah. My wife, literally the only thing she gets mad at was when I take my shirt off. She's like, just stop taking your shirt off Really? My pants I do everything she's like just don't take your shirt off. Why do you gotta do that? Nobody wants to see that Like come on. Um, yeah, I have no idea how Kylie puts up with me and I think

Yeah. Yeah, you have to ask her Emily. Do you know? How does Kylie handle me? Emily yeah She just tells them I think I think I Don't know we just Yeah, I don't really know it. It's awesome. Yeah, I think it's great. Yeah, I think I'm a I am a half Neanderthal half 21st century human being that functions very much by the seat of my pants.

And luckily my wife puts up with me and loves me in a way that she sees my flaws and runs with them. And yeah, I don't know. That's about it. That's awesome for it. Yeah. You're real. That's I think, I think that's what people love is you're real. Yeah. I think the biggest thing that's a struggle is again, like I am awful at sticking to any type of schedule or knowing what I'm going to do. And when you have three kids and a fourth on the way, that's like the number one thing anybody wants.

So that's the biggest thing but yeah outside of that, she doesn't care that much when I take my shirt off except for the one time I did in front of Taylor. I'll say that, your performance at that game, it was perfect because you were you were obviously hammered, you were having a great time, but you also didn't do anything embarrassing. All you did was skyrocket to the top of most average dudes, like number one guy they want to drink beer with. Yeah, I find most of the time when I do embarrassing things, it ends up positive. It could have been way worse.

It does. It could have been way more embarrassing. I think most people, having fun, people see that and they're like man, as long as you keep having fun. I just like, I've always watched the Buffalo games and I love when Fitz takes his shirt off. And like any fan outside in a snowy environment, shirt off, I'm like that guy's fucking the coolest dude on the planet. I don't know why, but I fucking like that. Yeah, I agree. So the planet. Yeah, I don't know why but I fucking like yeah I agree. So I'm like, all right, I'm gonna fucking do that. Yeah, I can't do that in the suite I can't surrounded by heat so I got to jump out of the suite All right, well Jason thanks so much man, we appreciate it. You got a ton of huge fans here.

Keep crushing it. Thank you. Don't crush it too much. Like you have football money. This is our life. How many podcasts do you read? What's your schedule? One a week?

One a week. Yeah, maybe one every other week. One every other. Yeah, this is our livelihood. You're doing this. You parachuted in and you try to my culture is not your costume. Just relax. Okay. Well, I think We admire everything you guys do. I think your guys show is fantastic max

Pleasure to sit on this couch with you Kate Pleasure to be roasted by all the Philly people and non Philly people associated with the show. I'm a huge fan So it's an honor to be here. Thank you man. Shout out Pug. Yes, shout out Pug. Jason Kelsey was brought to you by Chevy. Chevy has packed more capability into the Silverado Trail Boss so that you can pack more fun into your weekend. Have yourself a Frye, Saturier and Sune with a truck that says no to nothing. We just saw the trail boss the other day doing a commercial for it. That truck is sick. It's got the black rims on it.

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more about the Silverado Trail Boss at Chevy.com. Chevrolet. Together let's drive. And now here's Chris Berman. Okay we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest. It is now one of our favorite annual traditions. It's the Schwamm, Chris Berman, before the Super Bowl, had to have you on. Let's start with this. How are you feeling overall?

Congrats on 45 years at ESPN. Yeah, hard to believe. Are we going to 50? Well, hi fellas, Le Rock-En-Tour and Le Grand Chat, named after Andres Galarraga, the big cat, and the commenter, Le Rock-En-Tour, the explainer. I never thought of that number until I did a couple interviews about 45, and I'm the first at ESPN to get to 45,

which again, I don't know if that meant I climbed Mount Everest or discovered the North Pole or what it is. Yeah. That was never a goal. And a couple of folks, like you said, well, have you thought of 50? I said, actually I have not because that was never a goal. But you know, we have our first ABC said Super Bowl, but he has been as their first Super Bowl

in a couple of years. I think they want me around for that. I mean, I'm not saying they should, but I think if I get there, that's kind of 47 and a half. At this point, either choice, push it or give it more Sean Lynch and get in the round zone. So it would be cool. It's outside of ESPN just that many years in this business, which you know is a cutthroat business.

And people are always trying to knife each other and people don't last for this long. It's a testament to you and your talent. Like it's incredible. So I'm there for 50. If you want to do a big party, we're there for 50. I think this is the site. I mean, you guys treated me like

royalty. I'm really not sure why. But but I love it. Like I said, I get stopped. Nine months later, after we do the Super Bowl show, and either tells me one of two things, they go, your show with a part of my take guys, it's great. It tells me one of two things. It tells me one of two things. It tells me it was really a great show, and they remember it, or the rest of your shows are terrible. I really haven't decided yet, but I'm here to bail you out.

All right? So 50, if they'll have, look, if they're stupid enough to have me, I'd love to do it, because I'm, it's football. Yeah, it's football. It's football. It's football. And then I come after football. I don't do everything I use to. You actually now have the job that we really like lust for is that football, do football and then after football be like, hey, you know what? We're gonna

take six months. I'm gonna play some golf. I work pretty hard to do this. I know you deserve every second of it. You know, no, I'm gonna have to live a long time to play the golf. If I can shoot my age, I'm gonna have to live a long time to play the golf if I can Shoot my age. I'm gonna have to live to about eighty Okay, but you know, we'll see maybe we can lower that to 84 but thank you it is it it was never a goal Yeah, and if we get into this with goals like I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna be famous I'm gonna make this kind of money. We don't get there

No, but once you reach the stage you the numbers in front of you have to think about yeah It's not the the start at the start you weren't like 50 is my number, but once you reach the stage, you the numbers in front of you have to think about it. Yeah, it's not the start at the start. You weren't like 50 is my number, but you're so close. It's like, yeah, 50 would be magical. We'll build a statue be the first Well, I don't need that. But you want or somebody put my face in with it. They could throw darts at Yeah, but but it would be a 50 year employee at ESPN. There may not be another one.

Yeah, because times are different. That's what I'm saying. This business is so hard. Yeah. So at any rate, I'm in, I'm glad you're in. Okay, we got that going for us. And it's a party of three at least. And a party was the key word.

We love how much you love football. It's very clear that you still love football. I don't know if the game has changed. It's obviously changed on the field, but like your relationship with it, your relationship with the game itself, it's gotten so much bigger. All the media, all the marketing around it. There's a lot that is wrapped around football that's changed over the years. But in terms of you and the game, how you see the game, has that changed or has that kind of stayed the same? Stayed the same more than you think now that sounds goofy after what we've just said I mean my first Super Bowl just to put it to that

was Super Bowl 16 the Niners first one and You know the amount of media coverage I mean it's a Versus Z obviously and a different media. So it's okay. What's surrounded? Even like, even media day, 10 years ago, you still on Tuesday were in the stadium interviewing the guys. Right. You know, now it's Caligula or whatever they have,

you know, on Monday. And it's okay. You know, 10, 12 years ago, I did the draft. Well, I did 35 of them, which doesn't make me good or bad, but it's whatever the number is. And until 10 years ago, like the biggest, we had seen Radio City Musical, which is, oh my God, the history, and it's 5,000 people,

and it's fun, and now we have half a million, you know, 250,000 people outside, maybe waiting for a name in 30 degrees, and okay, well it'll be Green Bay. I mean, how's that going to be? Well, I mean, it is April, but still. Yeah. So, but the game itself, I mean, we're not getting XO.

I mean, we could do that too, because the Chiefs are a perfect reason to go XO, comparing them to the great teams that repeated, you know? That's actually fun and when you think about it yeah um it's still the last game i think okay you guys are in at 7 30 in the morning not like that's the worst thing there's plenty of people that go to work at 5am you know now you're in and you're going to know the game plan. So there's still a lot of old world. Wrong term. No, but you're right. Older world.

This is the way it's still set up week to week when you get there. I mean, the money and the this and the fame and this is all different. But success, they still and look, they'll play 18 games. If it's not next year, it's a year after and whatever. And they'll play in Australia and they'll play whatever. But they're still not playing 162 games or 82 games. Every week matters. It does, you can have two off weeks and you're still okay.

But you better not have four. Yeah. And that's still, the coaches go to work kind of the same way. They look at these films or whatever they're on now You know Tuesday nights when the players are you know their day off that really hasn't changed so it's It's changing the way they do it, but not that they do it does that make sense yeah, absolutely so I kind of like it there's still a

And when I see a pocket passer which we don't I And when I see a pocket passer, which we don't I Still think of the first videos I'd see of Johnny and I just you know, like or namath who is my guy we're up with and When there's a perfect pocket and it's a pocket play and of which the minority now, right? Yeah, I see it. It's like ooh Or I see an old-fashioned screen old-fashioned I see it, it's like, ooh. Or I see an old fashioned screen, old fashioned screen. It gets everyone. I go back and they're in and you're, oh my, there's,

when we watch the games on Sundays, like you guys do, and my favorite is when Baltimore does it to Ricard. Okay, the fullback. Yeah. I always begged John Harbaugh, like, come on, this is weak, you know, give me one. And it's like the ball floats and he's not mercurial. He's not Lamar Jackson catching a screen pass.

Yeah. And then the three blockers you can see on TV. Oh, this is set up. Yeah. Great. Yeah. And I still remember those plays again. It's a long answer for I'm still excited. I still think there's a lot of similarity Yeah, baseballs. I think football still holds the most to maybe 45 years ago. Yeah, the right thing to say. Yeah, it's still About yeah, yeah, they get they chin, you know, they can change the game. They can make certain hits illegal

It's harder to hit the quarterback all this stuff, but anybody that says like all they're they're turning the flag football It's try stepping out on the field. Yeah. It's a very, it's a very violent sport. Yeah. So, so you mentioned the chiefs, you are a student of the game, historian of the game. If the Kansas city chiefs went on Sunday and they complete the three Pete, are they the best team of all time? And if not, who do you have? Oh That's a tough one because we're in the world of the goat again

The team is not that what some other it's never been done. It's never been done. No, which I'm no So here's the thing and of course their fourth one's not that far back if they get it Yeah, Philly is the best team they're gonna play. I mean that there this would be rough We'll get to the game for them. I major in history of college which neither here nor there, you know today Did I go on to be a Rhodes scholar in it? No, I'm saying History as well didn't use it. Well, I know I do you gotta say I don't See you gotta know who you know, Abe Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson He throw him in every now and then. Jordan Washington, he's on the dollar bill. And,

you know, Andrew Jackson in Mississippi, New Orleans, you'll hear him this week. I'll trot him out. Okay. And so, first of all, I'd like, I've been thinking all year that we might see it. But certain things had to happen for them to get to this place. Last year they won for the first time, but they beat Buffalo and then Baltimore on the road.

I don't think their defense is quite as good as last year. They would probably admit that and say that. It's still better than the one that won the first time. Yep. But their offense was better than their passing game was better. I think, and they also knew that they did not have to beat both by working their tail off and blocking field goals and having the Raiders fumble

the snap and doinking it in off the upright. Yep. And the size 15 shoe on Baltimore is with a size 13 foot. I mean, we could go on and on and on. Oh, they're lucky to win. Well, all that got them home and they did not have to play both Baltimore and Buffalo.

I don't know that they could have gotten through the two of them on the road like last year. That sounds like I'm saying they wouldn't have won. No, but you're right. I don't know that they would have. Yeah. So are they the best team of all time? The fact that you won three and Pittsburgh won two, but four and six years,

I still look to them. But then again, that's 50. I was young and football was different. The difference, well, because Mahomes is constant, the coaches constant. I mean, I really haven't thought about this. Yeah. That question. Yeah, because it is his Chelsea's the same, but Chris Jones, yeah, Chris Jones, but they're not a lot of others. Whereas Pittsburgh, although that you know, that was, you know, two and then not and then two, four and six years, you didn't change rosters, because you couldn't,'t. They played until they were almost too old

because other than the draft, you're not, there's not, were we getting players? So guys who were in their 12th and 13th year, I mean, the Steelers were kind of, 78 Steelers for one year, it kind of come to mind. So best team, meaning in a five or six, seven year span or best single team. Because the chiefs might say we've had the offense that won the first one, which remember they trailed by 10 in the fourth quarter of San Francisco or whatever it was, 11, it was

10 I think, right? 10. But they had younger Mahomes, younger Kelsey, not necessarily better actually, not probably, but still them, Tyreek Hill and Sammy Watkins. They last year, they couldn't catch the ball. I mean, right? Until they had to. Yeah.

Right. So, I'm taking a long time because I want to give you So the fact that they would win three in a row does that put them ahead of any other three-year span? It's such a funny question too because like you said this individual team Yeah, you could you could make the argument that the 16 and 0 Patriots were a better team than these Kansas City Chiefs But look who's you know got the opportunity to win three in a row correct? It's just going back. You know how hard it is to get back up because it's never happened. You know, there's there's been great teams. Cowboys won back

to back. The Patriots went back to back like there's these great teams in the history of the NFL, but to be able to get back off the mat again and put together this season, it's incredible. It is as you guys know, no one's ever made it back to the Super Bowl. Yeah. I mean, you would think one of them would have, but a lot of times they ran into a team that was going to win the Super Bowl. Right. Miami that's going way back. Well, that was the sea of hands. Excuse me. Pittsburgh got beat by Oakland one of the times. Then Oakland times than Oakland won that first Super Bowl. So, um, because they're not blowing teams away, you can, the easy argument would be, well, wait a minute, did you see those Patriots?

Except they don't have a championship, say almost eliminate themselves in the last minute, I guess, in this discussion, although they were great. The Bears have 85, which is for a one-year team, it was like, whoa, obviously. 49er team, they went 15-1 the year before that. More recently, New England. What would I say their best? Well, their most wow team,

because they scored 50 every week, was the 07, right? But their best team of the run was 04 of those three and four years. It was 04, they had a big running back. They had Corey Dillon, which they did not have the other two years in 01 and 03. And Brady was better than he was in 01, although hard to get much better than Klutch, et cetera.

Sounds like I'm dancing around the ants because I don't know one year team. It's hard to, but yet, etc. Sounds like I'm dancing around the edge because I don't know one year team it's hard to. Yeah, but yet, okay, the totality of it. But here's the thing. Yeah, actually, we should throw that all out the window and say the following no team ever even made it back to the Super Bowl. And they've lost one game since Christmas that they played everybody. It's pretty insane. So if you just say that, you don't care if it's 50 to three. Yeah, I don't know. Do you think

How about not using the word best the greatest? Yeah, I think it's it's it's Andy obviously there's a lot of parts to a football team But I think it puts Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes specifically at a different level because of that Just the accomplishment that has never been done and we know how hard it is to Get back there. So if they do it, it's it's gonna be one of those wow, we probably won't see this ever again I don't think we will it just because of the way, you know, it's been the longest run 20 years from New England So we've never waited waited this long You know with the way rosters shift like in the 70s they didn't change We've never waited this long.

You know, with the way rosters, like in the 70s they didn't change. So if you were Pittsburgh, you, well, you're also playing Oakland or Miami, but you know what I'm saying. They were very, I don't think we would see it again, at least in my lifetime. You guys are young, I mean, you're just turning 40. I mean, I have socks older than both of you, okay?

It does rain in the basement, it gets wet, you have to back up. But I'm not, of this run, and they haven't beaten Philadelphia yet either, by the way. Their defense of this run was the best last year, because they had sneed in addition to McDuffie, you know, although those young ones have gotten better. So when Chris

Jones takes three guys, Ocar Loftus and Leo Chanel, Chanel number five, good perfume. Badger hasn't lost the playoff game. Those guys that are drafted in 2022 have not lost a playoff game. Yeah, that's insane. See, when you say that, and by the way, Mahomes is 17 and three in the playoffs. It's crazy. Bart Starr was 9 and 1. Mahomes is next in percentage. 9 and 1.

He lost the first one, by the way, and won the other 9. I wonder what Brady's going to say during the game if the Chiefs win and if they win convincingly. Do you think Brady's going to take a moment and almost put Mahomes in his place historically? Is he going to want to do that? I think so. I don't think Tom is

so, wait a minute, nobody's approaching me. I think, I know Tom some, have I talked to him this year really not, but if we'd see each other we would, but we'd go back to 01. I think Tom always felt embarrassed that he was put prematurely ahead of Joe Montana, if you just want to say one. But Joe was his hero. Right. He grew up the Bay Area. So Tom lived it from the others. I don't think he's going to be well, nobody's approaching me. I don't I don't see that in Tom. What would be the purpose? Right.

It's a good question. I think what he would say is the kind of stuff that that Teddy Bruski says week in and week out on our on our morning show was a really good show they had this year. I mean in my old show but I have nothing to do with it. I mean I did a few interviews and I got a piece Sunday on the other eight teams who tried to three-peat him what happened to him. I already did that. We'll see. Hopefully it runs. I don't know. But I recorded it. But I don't think the fact that they find a way to win and they expect it to win, and maybe the backup left guard

also expects, oh, he's in there in the fourth quarter. We don't even know if it's going to be Patrick or if it's going to be able to block a kick. We expect to win. Yeah. And we expect the other team maybe to make a mental error somewhere. That's all it takes.

Somewhere. Change their game plan a little bit. Just a little. Which sometimes, oh, they changed at the last drive. They didn't suspect that they won. Yeah, but every time. Look at the championship games against the Chiefs. Buffalo played great.

Yeah. That catch with King K, he games against the Chiefs. Buffalo played great. Yeah, yeah. That catch with Kincaid. He didn't. Tough play. Okay. But another call. Did he make it? Did he forget it? But did? Where was Cook on the last series? I know again, but I don't want to say how foolish are you? It's not for me to say. Yeah. It's just, it worked out that Baltimore gave up the run pre-Derek Henry last year a little early. Yep. In retrospect, it was only a 10-point game.

Yep. A little early. I'm not saying that that makes Sean or John or their offensive coordinators. I'm not saying it's just, but sometimes we're going to make a change because mmm and Spags is ready for that. Yeah, and it's also the the the testament to their the Chiefs greatness Is they make teams panic a little you know where they they will do something different because they're like we're playing the Chiefs We can't make mistakes and then they get you in that like the Baltimore game last year. They have to champs you game

I thought the Bravens panicked, you know Not so much not so much. Yeah, the Bills not so much. The Bills, I think there was a couple plays and the few wrinkles that Spags put in, that Andy Reid put in, that's sometimes the difference. That's why the game is so much fun to watch, because you just don't know what's going to happen. Which leads us to a thing, and I'm not trying to lead the witness here. I mean, you guys are interviewing me, but mistakes. Philly in the playoffs is plus 10.

Yeah. Chiefs are actually minus one. We didn't mean anything, but took the Chiefs all year to get a plus. Which again, defies, but you didn't lose any games. So Philly comes in, I would think, pretty darn confident that we're not going to make mistakes no I mean because they have not I mean by the way they've lost one game

since October 1st yeah they've lost one they have the Bucks game week for September September was the last time they lost a game that Jalen Hurst finished correct the whole game very good yeah it's it's pretty crazy. I mean their defense is lights out and Vic Fanjos lights out. Do you want to give us your pick? Let me say the biggest thing in the game that obviously the Saquon Barkley plays for the Eagles

and he ran for 2000 yards. Duh. Duh. Duh. Duh. Duh. Duh. By the way in the playoffs, 205, one, you know, he averages whatever it is, 6.7 yards a carat, the line, oh, he's hurt the center, no problem. Now, I find this the most intriguing part of this game. Look, Steve Spagnolo has been around a long time, Andy's been around a long time, they all have a hand in the defensive game plan of those bags.

You haven't seen game plans to show back to, not that we're going back to the 40s or the 50s and 60s with Jim Brown or even the running backs with, where, ooh, is a 2000 or in Henry case 1,900 yard back. Been 10 years since Adrian Peterson. Like somebody like whoa. Yeah. Okay well if their quarterback plays great then God bless you you're gonna beat us. Here's a game plan it's not oh they have a good passing attack too. They like to go to you the other team likes to go to you. I get it. But okay, this is a different, how do you, then they play good

running backs, running backs that are good, but not this good, this good a line. What kind of game plan are we going to see? And the three of us aren't going to be smart in the way you guys might be. I'm not going to be smart enough on TV or I'll be at the game, but what you at least see, oh, they're playing this linebacker to come up and chip. I don't, during the game, I'm not that smart. So, but how does it turn out? Is there a number that you gotta keep him to? I don't think that's the case.

Like when Buffalo beat Henry, he was under 90, right? 85, 86, 84, whatever it was. So, okay. 90 right 85 86 84 or whatever it was so okay but if he gets 120 which by the way it's not a lot to ask is that enough to tip it that we haven't made game plans like this yeah not with my team I I find that I find that interesting as hell yeah it matters a lot how he gets that 120. So he breaks off a 70 yard run in the first quarter, scores a touchdown, kind of bottle them up a little bit after halftime.

I think, yeah, the Chiefs should be able to win a game like that. But if it's just constant, he's breaking off 9, 10 yard runs. And they're getting in the fourth in shorts and third in shorts when you know it's going to work. Yeah. And I also feel like if the Chiefs win and the defense shows up and there's a couple splash plays

here and there like we've seen from the Chiefs, Spagnola should be a Hall of Famer as a coordinator. Absolutely. I know they don't do that for just coordinators. You have to be a head coach, but if you're the DC for a team that wins three Super Bowls in a row, in large part because you dial the right things up

at the right times, put that man in the Hall of Fame. Well, he's done it. You know, Bill Belichick never been a head coach, which is a big if now, of course, but he already, you know, was on that path himself with the Giants game plans against Buffalo. You know, we're going to, Thurman Thomas, they're not going to, we're going to hammer every receiver. And if Thurman Thomas gets 190 yards, which about he did. In about 19 minutes or whatever they had the ball. But I agree with that. I mean, why can't they?

Putter never got in with, duh, Ray Guy was great. You know what, he's now the only one? There's others. There's others, yeah. I agree with that. It's just different from a football. No one's really, because the running back is like, oh, we remember that running backs are good.

Yeah, this year, especially. Yeah. Right? Yeah, it's been a really cool shift to watch because it's a lot of the two high safeties and being like, all right, you've got to beat us with going down the field 10 yard drives. And now running backs are the light boxes

running backs have had a resurgence this year. It's been fun. Yeah. I like it and of course the Eagles love run blocking. Did they pass block right now? Hertz threw the ball great that last game. He did. You know and of course they had a lot of short fields they had I mean but so what that he threw I went back to the Super Bowl two years ago doesn't make me a genius we can all look it up right. I went back to the Super Bowl two years ago, doesn't make me a genius, we can all look it up, right? You know, Hertz was, we remember him great then. He was incredible, yeah. He was better than he's played since, right?

So the receivers are the same three. One caught seven, and I'm gonna forget whether that was the Slim Reaper or it was A.J. Brennan, it might have been Smith, Brown, and Goddard, but I think it was seven, eight, Brown, and Gotter, I think were 7-8, 7-6-6 catching. Supposedly they do that again. Yeah. While Barkley runs for just a pedestrian 110

and Hertz runs a little. You know, let's see what happens. Now what does Fancio, okay. So Kelsey caught a ton against Houston. If we just look at the playoffs, he had it off here, 97 catches, just stop, okay? Houston, he caught a ton, right? Yeah. Buffalo, I think two?

Yeah, they kind of took them away. So where does this go? Does this six? And what are the six? And who then on the Chiefs beats them and we know what the answer is gonna be in a minute but what receiver they're kind of the way they've evolved this year especially with you know Hollywood out he's back but we'll see you know rice out and they were cultivating him and if Kelsey is an oh

my god we can't cover him and I think Philly's pretty good. Yeah levels who So I'll give you a prop. Oh, I like it Maybe not the first one cuz we were yeah, but you gave me a BS last year last year and He didn't score first, but he scored which is a great great caught the ball. Yeah. Yeah, I like it I like where you're going. I like it. I like where you're going. I like it. I love it would be plays inside red zone and maybe what they call the inner red zone or there's

another name for it. Okay, you'd be at the 12. But I mean, 10 mean that's the Andre Hopkins.. Because, because, can he get open the way he used to on a 40 yard pattern? Maybe not. He still could, DeAndre Hopkins. Still tall with big hands. Those hands. So what do we see down there?

Yeah. From the 12, from the seven, we haven't seen it yet. There's, I think, if that's the sort of game that the Eagles are going to give them kind of, you know, dinkin dunk plays and the Chiefs are going to trust themselves and not to turn it over. Okay, now we're at the seven. We're gonna eat three guys on Kelsey. Yeah, duh. Right. And then, and then, well, that leaves Hopkins up. Yeah. I,

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Who I also like good on Philly. I like Goddard. I love it.. I also like on Philly. I like Goddard. Love it. He's underrated. He's leading their team in receiving yards in these playoffs. Whose birthday is it? Absolute beast. Saquon's birthday.

Did you know that? On the Super Bowl? Yeah. And Cooper DeGene. By the way, how did Howie Roseman draft the last few years? Yeah. Those two DBs, kid from Toledo? Toledo.

Mitchell, yeah. Mitchell and then the Carter and the guys up front, either two years ago or three, they've remade that defense. There's not a weak bond trade. They, but I like where you're going with Goddard too. He's, they were a better passing offense than they've been in December, you know, with him back.

Right? Yeah, I bet all his props the last three games is just do it again this season. So he turned around down in New Orleans on that one breakaway run that he had too. Yeah. They were, that game was not in hand. They looked like they might lose that one and the season was kind of shaky.

What, early in the year? Yeah, he was making some weird decisions. It was, that was a moment that kind of shifted the entire season around for him. That's a good call, especially since they reminded me after they won there, you know, we never win in New Orleans. Yeah, I mean, you could look it up. I'm sure they won a couple, but you know, we never win in New Orleans. Yeah, I mean, you could look it up. I'm sure they won a couple, but he goes, we never win. And the Saints had scored 91 points in two weeks.

We barely remember that team, right? Then what happened? Well, they got in their own way. Yeah. But that was a big win. Do you know that, how about this is an interesting one? I just thought of this. The first game of the year was Chiefs right in Baltimore Thursday. Second

game of the year was in Brazil, Philly. They're still playing. Yep. Just a plane. Yeah, that's a lot of football. I like where you went on the touchdown of Goddard. I like that. I like her. I'm betting all the Goddard props as well. yards catches. It's gonna be a big day for Goddard. Big day. He's a big guy. Good hands. They, you know, there's just a lot to see. And then, and then the other thing I would say back to Spags for a minute.

So the blitz that he called, that then Josh had to throw, it was catchable, but he didn't, it was a tough play, right? Now, McDuffie didn't get through, but that allowed Carl Ofthouse to get through. Just like the one late in the Super Bowl regulation last year that McDuffie did come through, Purdy had to throw in the dirt and they kicked a field goal, other than like maybe go ahead by saying, and then the Chiefs only got a field goal at the end of Senate and overtime. It's not the same blitz, but when is it coming? Yeah.

When is it coming? And what is it coming? Yeah. You know, Vic doesn't, he doesn't blitz as much. By the way, as soon as we say that, he might. Yeah. But he sends one, so that's fine, because that front, that's till you send four in the one.

That leaves him pretty good coverage. I mean, but the reason, okay. So I think the Chiefs win because the guy I call, he likes this, the electric eel, that's Mahomes. When he runs, he slithers. You know what I mean? It's like, it's not a run, oh, it's an RPO and we're rolling out with Patrick.

The two runs against San Francisco after we hurt the ankle, right? The run last year late, by the way, fourth and one. You're down by three, you get stopped. See you later, congratulations 49ers. Yeah. Four yards. It wasn't even up and I know up to the line slowly. And I asked him so I mean, did it occur to you that, you know, like the game's over? For example, even the snap and you're trying to

run behind the false step? Yeah. He's like, No, I knew we had to convert it and we would. Really? That's quite an answer. Yeah. That'd be an answer I would get from Tom or from Joe Montana. Yeah. So you look at stats, I'm home six for 42,

which is good, but when? And it's always, okay. You got a slither for those five extra yards. Oh, it is a first down even though it's third and 12. Yeah, he got 14 not eight. And we can now punt them in the corner. Yeah, it's just it is it's green looks at him as his running because he's not Lamar he's not Josh, he's not name your guy, right?

But when the playoffs come, he makes those big plays. It's so much fun to watch. Now that being said, Philly's going, you're not giving us our due, because I think they have the least questions, maybe even less questions than the chiefs of any team in football. Yeah, top to bottom, their roster is lights out. Sweet, what was the score? Well, score that I went print, but for your show, I'm changing it.

Because that's what we do. We need the Schwamm score. Because you got off me last year. The one that always, well, no. So the only you'll read. I've told you, it's because when I was a kid and I was watching and you would do the scores, and I'd be like, what is that score?

And then I'd see the little arrow next to it, and that's like, oh, OK, point spreads, OK. This makes sense. Like, 80, 80, the Rams were playing Brett farm. I had like 85 82. Yeah, but somebody covered I had the arrow 22 18 telling you a lot of points. Okay. Yeah, don't get so literal or Three to two I used once. Yeah a long time ago Right a running knife. Yeah I used once a long time ago. Because why not? Right? A running knife.

So you'll see in print, because I wrote a thing, but it won't be out until Friday. This show will probably run before. So you'll see 2724 Kansas City. You'll see it. But for this show, we're going to go, because if you have these squares, you're upset really. 2926. Right? Same spread. Yeah. because if you have these squares, you're upset really. 29, 26, right? Same spread.

I like it. Yeah. You know, 29, 26 chiefs. I somehow think that's a little high. Yeah. But it could be upper 20s. How do we get to- What do you guys think?

How do we get to 29? Well, I hadn't got that far yet. I'm working up here to do this show. I said, I can't give them 27, 24. I can't do that. These guys will run me out of the building. I have a- I have a 29. Yeah, I have a future on the Eagles I think I I think my squares are two and one which are the worst numbers possible Want 21 so maybe 32 31 Eagles

Score well, that's yeah. Yeah. I mean, how do you get to 29? There's gotta be a safety in there somewhere. Yeah. Right? I don't know where. Or maybe it's 21 and then two point conversion. Yeah. To what you said, 29, 26. 29, 26.

So if it's 29, yeah, you go for two ones, but that's four touchdowns. Yeah. Now, Elliott has missed some extra points in the Super Bowl he's a very good kicker mm-hmm he's a lot of the good kickers had bad years not only Tucker it started hot and then it started to run everyone started missing but he's made all the field goals but he's missed three extra so maybe that's and they have to go for something in.

Yeah, so it's 2926 Chiefs. It's maybe 2621 Eagles Chiefs score and they say, hey, let's go up three instead of two. Of course, 2926. Of course, there it is. Safety. Who would get the safety? We'll get back to boom in a second. But first, I want to tell you that Marshawn Lynch got

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yeah it's like Thursday and when it happened to be a lot of Seahawk fans and they know that I like them but I've I picked them for the Super Bowl that year. Or, I mean, you know, and, oh, we know you like us, you know. They'd have to wear the hats in great colors. The guy goes, well, I made two bets. They were kind of wild ones. I might have told you guys this. I said, okay, what are you?

Because at that point, you know, I'm 10 years ago. It's not as, I'm sorry, prevalent as all the all the things you bet now even though they existed, right? Yeah First score a safety. Oh and whatever those odds were like okay, and Sure enough ball went over Peyton said we do not had the Broncos in that game. It was not fun to nothing It was not fun. That was I didn't cheer. He had a two run homer right right out of the gates. Yeah, didn't share. And the other one was, okay. He said, I also bet. Here's the odds on Denver. Maybe this

group member this group 600 and whatever points, right? To win by 20 or more, it could have been 21, but 20 or more, what were those odds? The team scored 600 points. I put money on the Seahawks to win by 20 or more. Now let me think about, like, your question. Yeah, yeah. Okay, let me think how that could happen. Yeah. Okay, let me think how that could happen. Are Denver's gonna get no points? I mean, you know, 14, okay, let me think about this. They're gonna return an interception.

There could be a safety, which is only two. And she was like, those are the two guys. I'd never met this guy. He was in the lobby of a hotel, he had a Seahawks key hat on. I'm sure he was happy. A lot of money. Safety and Seahawks by 20. It was a pretty big odds that they were gonna roll the Bronco. Like, okay, that always

stuck in my mind. Yeah. So to your point, okay, how do we get to 29 or 26? Yeah. Oh, I mean, I'm gonna bet the exact score now. I have Yeah, I have to have Only you'll see it. I gave 27 20 but for this show. Yeah You're on Goddard for any score. I am as well. Yeah any scoring I'm gonna do Hopkins anytime touchdown until I like that. Yeah in tails tails big one. Also, here's a tail Oh, here's a nice one. I'm on. Oh, it's like roulette No doinks, it's a hot bet no kidding on. It's like roulette, black or red. Yeah, yeah. Just go with it. No doinks.

It's a hot bet. No kidding. Is there a- Two years ago he bet no doinks. I bet no doinks in the first matchup between these two teams. Minus a thousand were the odds on it. So I looked at it like an investment. I make 10% back if there's no doinks.

Were there? There was a doink. I thought so. Oh yeah, yeah sure there was and it was it was bad uh but i'm simply just going to bet more this year on no doings the do it can't happen twice yeah lightning doesn't strike twice actually and they've already the chiefs of doint yeah right yeah i mean so they should be good for no doing i would think i would think ell know Elliot have they do it during the

season I don't know what the the point you made about Elliot you know he's the most accurate field goal kicker in the history of the postseason and he's the least accurate extra point kicker I did not know they're for no for for no when he misses an extra point so oh they well means they're kicking extra points. Yeah, right. That's how you read. Yeah, right. Okay Touchdown. Yeah, okay, so I Didn't know I'm not surprising. I mean, I'm not saying he's gonna have a bad we thought Moody, you know rookie kicker He's kicking 57 yard or so No, joints is that the same thing as

Minus thousand minus thousand Ten percent return on investment. I mean try to find me a better investment than that. Overnight. So you gotta hit ten in a row and say you made money. That's one way to look at it. I didn't think about it that way. I might be betting ten times as much as I did the first time. So you just make it all bad. Oh, let it ride.

I'm gonna, well I lost the first time. So he's making all the let it ride. Yeah. Well, I like a rule system and a flaw in how gambling math is constructed. But in reality, I'm probably going to lose a lot of money. Make you're gonna win this year. I like it. Okay, I want to keep that in mind. Here's another stat has nothing to do with my pick because if Philly wins I will not be surprised. I mean I think the Chiefs are gonna win because Coach Reed and Patrick Mahomes, it's just it's not the magic thing it's just when you've won this many ways and you're

confident that we're gonna not all gonna figure it out that then you've lost yeah like no something's going to happen the kid the Remedio returns a kick, you know Tony and two years ago with the punt like You just this special special teams it's something Odd is gonna happen. Here's an interesting number and again, this is no reflection on Nick fans Dick Nick Vic Fangio who's a great defensive coordinator and you know put his pelts up there Against chiefs Online yeah now six were head coach Denver. Yep. They weren't good like Miami teams

Miami last year too. And he was the brought in as the consultant in the Super Bowl two years ago, which I forgot. He wasn't the coordinator. Again, this is not okay run because they're old. That's nothing. It's just by the way, you think he's sick and tired of that? So maybe he does dial stuff that he doesn't change dial at a point in the game that's just the right point one other thought don't you think that Fox or whoever's doing the game which is Fox you know we we've all invented the

line you know for the first down line but the Eagles, you should only have it nine yards. Seriously, I have a green line. Seriously, right? Just have it because third and fourth and one when we should already be on the line. Yeah, the touch zone. Yeah, absolutely. Does that make sense? Yeah. I don't know if we brought this up last time. But Chuba Hubbard, and you called him the Chuban Missile Crisis. That's beautiful. Was that a moment where you like still got it? Like yeah, the Schwamm still got it.

Because I thought that. Thank you. When I heard it I was like still got it. I didn't do it to be, again American history, so there you go. Yes, there it is. I was alive then. I was young, I was seven. I mean I didn't, you know, Kennedy, Castro, I mean,

the Chuba Missile Crisis. Quietly, the year before, but he didn't have the year like he did this year, you know, and then they won some games and they upset a couple teams late in the year so you could use it. The one that I still had, it was like, it came to my head in like eight seconds.

I don't know, not while I'm doing it live, but the Chuba Missile Crisis. Yeah, yeah, it's right there., but the Chuba Missile Crisis. No, the Chuba Missile Crisis. And that's the way they used to come when I was young and had a brain. You know, like at the age of 90s. Well, thank you.

That's vintage. Everybody hits the green every now and then from 150, okay? I watched the interview with Bob Dylan. He was like, I don't have what I had when I was younger. Like, I can't just spit out songs like I used to. You can. You can still find it. Well, not as much as you guys do on your own to me.

I mean, I'll tell you where, I don't know if this was last year or this just happened this year. So I may have told you about it, but we didn't do it on the show. I don't read Twitter. I don't even know how to go, you know, whatever. But sometimes it's stuff flows to me and I see it. Chris Berman is ripping off those two guys.

No, it's an ode. It's like, okay. The other one, the other one that we laugh at is we do Mount Rushmore season in the summer and people It's an ode to our fans who are the most loyal fans But people saying like whenever anyone else does Mount Rushmore season, they're like you're ripping off part of my take It's like guys we didn't invent this. This is not we're just doing something in the summer when you got nothing to talk about Smart you still got it. It's our loyal fans. No, and they want your take on it, obviously. Mount Rushmore is not easy.

A matter of fact, I went to the Seattle camp this summer, and I'm close with the Seahawks. I like them, they had a nice year. Coach McDonald will be good. They're gonna be okay. So, they asked me for their in-house, and I think they put it on somewhere, I don't know. But I really wouldn't prepare. So they asked me for their in-house, and I think they put it on somewhere.

I don't know, like, I really wouldn't prepare. Like, who are the Mount Rushmore for the Seahawks? I went, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. How about Mount Rainier? Can we go with Mount Rainier, please? And they went, whoa, that'd be, you know. And then I gave them the Steve Large, and Supreme Cortez Kennedy,

and Big Walt Jones, and Walt Jones and whoever else I you know whatever else I said but no that's yours take it even though even though you know they haven't put a new one up there since Teddy yeah yeah yeah just There's some rumbling that I don't want to go there. I don't want to give it any- Jimmy Carter? Maybe Jimmy Carter? Homage to the Big Red? No, somebody who's in now. Mount Rushmore.

Mount Rushmore, come on. What do you do the fastest two minutes after the Super Bowl? No, no, no, no, no. I do primetime after the Super Bowl. You'll see me, like we did, championship round ESPN, the Bowl. So you'll see me like we did championship on ESPN the regular Mm-hmm, and it's just interesting people go. Oh my god No, I've been doing primetime for like six years now. Yeah, I know plus I understand it's 12 99 a month or whatever. It's I make no money off it

So I watch it because I have I have ESPN plus you got a I gotta watch every game. Well, I appreciate it, but it's like, wow. Oh, look who just walked in. Who do we got here? Another Super Bowl legend. Well, I don't know if I'm one. Sit right there. He's a podcaster. Sit right there, he's a podcaster.

Sit, sit right there. Sit right there. Sit right there. I'm the diner. Sit there, Jules, sit in the seat with the mic. Talking to the mic, Julian. What's up? What's happening? How you been? I get up, but this couch is deep. What's're talking to Mike, Julin. What's up? What's happening?

How you been? I get up, but this couch is deep. What's up, buddy? What's up, man? Good to see you wearing a shirt. Sit right down. See, I'm overdressed for this. He's a big time AWL.

Good, how are you? I'm on stage at the Boston Garden. I mean, you remember that? Yeah. You and me and Teddy and Floaty. We had some good times. Boston, that was. We were at the Espes.

We were literally at the Espes in 2011, I believe. Oh, them. Unknown Julian Edelman. Unknown. We went out to dinner. Or we went post somewhere. We went to the little diner over there in the mid-Wilshire. And I was telling them, literally, you

got to go on this show. Part of my take, these guys pretty much designed a show off of you. And I went, no, you're gonna hit too many times. I was probably a little hammered, going a little differently. Wait, dude, this was what year? 2000?

This was 2011. No, that's too early. That's remarkable because we- 2012 then. No, 16 is when we started. Yeah. Way off. Listen, listen, hold on. Way off. Way off. Listen, hold on. Way off.

Let me give you a broadcasting tip, because I can still do that for you. Receiving you got, catches in Super Bowls you got, don't ever let the facts get in the way of a good story. Exactly. If you tell me it's 2012, it's 2012. But it was 2016, I think. 2016, that's exactly what you were saying in the earlier. Hey if you fly out to LA what happens to the telephone? Can I just do it on the

phone? I know. But my kids are in LA so it'll happen. It'll happen. Kids with little grandsons they're out there. It's crazy that you came in here Jules because Chris was just telling us a second ago how if the Chiefs win the Super Bowl, far and away the best team of all time. I did not say that. No close second. They wanted to gold me into it, however, your take on it. Look, this is something that's never been done and if they go out and win this game, there's no reason you can't argue them to be the greatest football team of all time. Not only did they only lose two games this year, they're back-to-back Super Bowl champs and I've been in the situation when you win one Super Bowl and you go back to the next one, you're America's most wanted every freaking week. Everyone is

literally playing their best game against you. Dogshit teams that aren't supposed to play good, play good against you. This team is battle tested. If this is a close game I mean they're gonna be the best football team of all time probably which is because they've won in various ways various ways you know yeah I mean some of the Patriot teams won by 50 all the time but but when you win in the odd ways it's the odd ways but they've also won so much where you put yourself in a situation where you're not thinking about Stats you're thinking about what do we have to do to win this game? What do we have to do to have one more point than this team?

The Rolex situation where the times more important than the ball are the points all these little situations that we've all heard Through the Patriots things and all that now like you're watching it firsthand with The Kansas City Chiefs who dominate in all those situations may not have an electric guy May not have someone that's gonna blow the top off, but they know how to execute when it's a high-pressure situation in those situations It's the it's the the AFC championship game that we just watched with the Bills where we were sitting in the gambling cave being like, you know It's third and nine. We're like, oh, they're gonna kick a field goal here They're gonna hunt and then I had to stop myself and be like, what am I talking about? They're gonna convert this I gotta go though. I'm gonna do Gruden guys. I'm sorry. Oh, yeah

He could wait for me So on you were still kind of relatively unknown it was Boston after the marathon thing. Yeah, we're saying Right bomb awful. Yeah awful and Boston Garden had what? Master's-Court Garden did like after you know, 9-eleven and One and all the great, you know, you're a Smith Steven Tyler James Taylor New kids on the block were there Buffett even showed but you used Denver. We it was it was great

I mean we could go on and on so they had four of us sports the other that to intro we introduced Carol King and James Taylor, which James Taylor too. So we had here's where history came in for me. So Julian was up there Doug Flutie. Flutes, Brew, Brewski. Teddy. And I said, okay, they did all the Boston stuff. Where am I gonna go? I'm last.

I went back to the Revolutionary War. I said, you know, we didn't fire till we saw the white in their eyes. We didn't, I made history down the road in Rhode Island. Remember that? I remember like yesterday Oh my god, and I went, you know power of area One lantern and he was off John Hancock was buried right down the street. I was all in the damn. I was in it Great to see you mobile. Yeah, right. I can't believe I'm not shocked pal

No way All day. I just want to say hi. You did say it. I say, you gotta go check these guys out. All right, boys. Yeah, yeah. All right, I'll see you. See you, Jules.

Man, what a fucking year for you, Brett. Pretty cool, right? Yeah. Yes, I forgot that. I got to enjoy football season for the first time in a long time. I should have done, yes. And it's funny.

You got an owner, you got an owner, you got a general manager, you got a coach, you got a quarterback all at the same time. And then what? You saw it. And a franchise, it's your team, but a franchise that there's a lot to hang on, but not lately.

And it's cool for football. Somebody asked me, what do you think the best coaching job of all the ones that were available this year? And I said, well, I'm not analyzing what their cap is. I'm not analyzing the draft numbers. So there might be different answers, but if similar to yours, if you can hit in Chicago, if you can hit, you know. If you can hit, now that's a big hit. Every team in the division won 11 games.

But if you can hit there. So Washington was, if you can hit, that was great. That was great. I like to remind people too about Joe Gibbs, because I feel like people don't talk about the job Joe Gibbs did in the 80s and early 90s enough. The fact that he won three Super Bowls with three different starting quarterbacks and three different running backs is crazy.

I don't think we're ever going to see that again. No. No, I don't see it. The only constant, there was a couple of changes in the hogs, but the hogs were yeah, I Mean Russ Grimm and Bostic and I mean there were a couple of chainless Shay was leaving on the first day, right? But but they but they were but they had a hut you're right three of a quarterbacks It's pretty none of you know, well Doug what he accomplished just the big picture

Yeah, I might know him a long time, but they're all good. I mean Joe It's Iceman and then Mark Rippon. They were all good. It's not like yeah, they won the Super Bowl, but they weren't yeah But they're not Hall of Fame Doug could be for reasons why it's obvious, right? Yeah, but Joe gives is great. I mean, a great coach, and well, in this case, different quarterbacks. But you got one now. I mean, this kid. You know when I knew you had one?

And actually, Dan Quinn and I have known each other a long time. I don't want to misrepresent that I talk to him all the time, but when we talk, we talk a while. And I said, your first game of the year, you got people at Tampa right was that the first game He got hit hard second quarter third quarter. I remember the helmet was off He had hit hard like welcome to the NFL type of hit And a smile on his face Watching TV we watched like you did the eight games so we don't even hear any of the audio. I'm just

Okay game so we don't even hear any of the audio. I'm just, okay. He loves this. Not loves getting hit hard, but he loves this. Yeah. It was my... Dan goes, I remember that pretty clearly. That's the guy we saw in August. That's the guy we saw, you know, in minicamp and you know, whenever he signed in June or whatever. Yeah. You got somebody now. It's fun. Isn't it fun? The only thing you miss is the stance that used to move in RFK. Right, so we just, I think we got that land back.

I heard. I think we're gonna develop that RFK too. RFK Junior is what some people are called. No, don't do that. Jay's like, I'm gonna be taking these shots. And everybody will have different health, you know. But no, I think they're going to get that land back. And ideally it would be cool if there was a section of the stadium that was like on hydraulics.

Like a roller coaster. That could bounce if you jumped on it. Like, hey, you're going to the springy part of the stadium. Here's your waiver to sign. Make that thing shake again. They, I mean, those fans there, I was at a couple of championship games, the 82 and the 83, they beat San Francisco but lost to the Super Bowl.

So I mean it was like, whoa, this is, I was young then covering that, I was like, dang, look at these, they're moving and they're singing Hail to the Redskins at the time, you know, it's like, this is good,, you know, it's like this is good It's good. It's like the choice. It's good that they were good and they'll be good next year and Buffalo So what's going to happen next year?

Somehow unless the bills have a rough year, which I think they'll be better. Mm-hmm They came farther than a unless the Bills have a rough year, which I think they'll be better, they came farther than a lot of people thought in August. Trust me. Somehow they will not be on the path of Kansas City in the playoffs. Like I don't know how how do we get to 29? I don't know. I'm not gonna predict, but somehow it won't something and they're not gonna see him him not that they couldn't beat him Somehow that'd be nice. Remember that we we said it here. It's just I mean that would I mean they You know Tom Brady was excuse me Peyton was 0 and 2 again. It seemed like 0 and 10 against against

Manning was on seemed like 0-10 against Brady in the playoffs. Really 0-2. He ended up 3-2. Now it's 0-4 and it's not about who beats who, but anyway, we're digressing because we're talking football. Yeah, I do have a question. I don't think we've ever asked you before. What is the best football game you've ever seen? So I've been fortunate enough. So let me say that I don't go to that many because of all the Sunday shows.

So in the eighties and sometimes Monday night games I would go until I was doing all this stuff. So one, you know, I'm at all the super bowls. So we could pick any of like 10, right? So let's, you want to eliminate them for the minute for a moment while I do this sir I thought the Monday night came the marino beat the 85 Bears oh cuz they were 12 and all and they were the Bears I mean in one year they were da Bears. I mean, in one year they were the Bears. Dickey and McMahon, and I don't have to tell you. I mean, they didn't...

I'll tell you my story from that game. So I did the show Sunday. I mean, that's like, again, we're doing football. We're not in a coal mine, right? But you go in the building about 7, and you leave at 12, 30 at night, and you go home and then take a six o'clock plane to go to Miami because you're gonna see the game of the year.

I think it's still the highest rated Monday night game of all time, of course the ratings were different then anyway, right? And it's in the Orange Bowl, which say what you want, rickety, it's the Orange Bowl, okay? And I got up to get that, do my pregame interviews, including Coach Shula, he always gave me one, not sure why, but he did.

And I get 6.05, I'm at the sports center, he would be there. And I got up something to eat, then came back down, and about 15 minutes before the game, they started at nine o'clock Eastern, so it was late. But you know, you come down, it's under the orange wall, it's like a light, like a carpenter's light like hanging, like a single light bulb as you walk under the stairs.

Like, are you kidding me? This is the orange. And then you go out. And there's the palm trees. It's early December and you've come from Connecticut. It's nice. And there are the bears over there. But I come out on the dolphin side,

and to me, Shula's jaw was out a little farther at 8.45. And I looked down the bench, and I come out, and I see Larry Zonka, I see Jim Kick, I see Paul Warfield, I see Larry Little, and a couple others. Nick, I'm sure, was there, Bonaconte. And I went, oh, okay. Oh, I see what this is. They're all here. All those guys from the 72 Dolphins. The Bears are not winning this game. I don't know how that's going to go. And they didn't. And that was really Marino's finest hour because he never went to this other than the Super Bowl that

they lost to Montana. The other one I'll give because it might bring us back to this. I know you want to run out and I mean, you know, you got other people but It brings us to New Orleans The game that reopened after Katrina Yeah, so they hadn't played in a year and a half right Katrina was a was a staging area For the homeless. I mean they had 10,000 cots or whatever. Yeah number is I may have my facts wrong and or where that number is, I may have my facts wrong. And then they didn't even open for like three games. So it was like late September is their first game. It's a Monday night game, which we had that year in 06,

it was Atlanta. And I remember, you know, it was unbelievable. People were hugging and crying in the stands, like you made it, like, you know, season tickets. You're friends with them, but you don't even know where they live. Like you don't know, hey, know where they live like you don't know Hey, did you make it? You don't know their phone number. You're like a family at these games

And we did we did the pit, you know, we didn't came out to everybody I was the last one Steve Young's on the set Tommy cetera and they came to me and you could just feel and What it meant to these people here in New Orleans, I'm tearing because sports still does that to me. It was incredible, yeah. And I looked in the camera and I said, the 78 Steelers would not win here tonight.

No way. You can look that up and then Steve Gleason and we know his story. And he's topical this week. He's still doing charity events. He and his wife, Michelle. And I'm going to go to one tomorrow. And he blocked the kick. I've never heard any play so loud.

I mean, are you kidding me? And that's New Orleans like that. It reminds us of what a team can be to a community. It was a September game. It was those two is regular season. Super Bowl, we could debate for a whole show and I wouldn't want to just throw a couple of the catch. You just say the catch you were there. I didn't get there yet. Yeah, I was going regular season. Those are the two regular season. Yeah,

I'm cheering on that. It is. I mean, it really is. The catch would be, it kind of was at the beginning of my career. Yeah. And as it turned out, the beginning of my association with the 49ers, which was one of the most, that and the Bills, Niners of the 80s and the Bills of the 90s. I didn't get into it to be a jock sniffer, trust me. But I was their age.

I picked them every week. I was doing the 2.30 in the morning show, which is 11.30 out there. I went to cover the championship game, little Chris Berman, I'm 20, whatever, six, seven years old, whatever. And one of the veterans, Charlie Young said, oh, you're the Swami, right?

Yeah, you've been picking us every week, right? Yeah, I'll have everybody lined up for you up for you 11 players lined up to do an interview from Joe Montana to you know Jack Reynolds was a little linebacker then it was so yeah I was getting there I was kind of eliminating the playoff so you're gonna give me a tissue I mean I'm at the lion One is is fantastic. By the way, Dwight died of Yeah, I mean it's it's a horrific disease but the The the point of the the Saints one, which I love is just you're right what sports mean for a city in a community It's you can't get it anywhere else. That's, and that's why we love this game.

That's where we watch this game. It's beautiful. Yeah. And the city's been through a lot. You know, they still, you know, Katrina, it's still, you can see the effects. And, uh, but they know how to throw a party. I mean, they even move Mardi Gras kind of sorta a week, right? Like kind of sorta.

I don't know how that works. It's like a three week party. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Schwann, you're the best. Yup. This is our favorite. We're, I'm so happy this become a tradition next year. We got to do it again next year. Next year before I believe in a row five, I think five. One in your place. Yeah. I love the cookbook too. Yeah. Right. So yeah, this is year four. It's seriously something we look

in San Francisco. I mean, now you're, yeah, that's a home. Yeah, thatnie's got a book. Donnie, right? So yeah, this is year four. It's seriously something we look forward to. In San Francisco, I mean, now you're... Yeah. That's a home. Yeah, that's... Maybe we'll go to House of Prime Rib. Well, we could go anywhere. We could go to the Buena Vista where they invented the Irish coffee. Okay.

Now, you talk about important... Invention. The light bulb was one thing. Yes, yes. Okay, but the Irish coffee is another thing, right? Yeah. They didn't invent that in Ireland? Huh?

The Irish coffee? Yeah. Well, at least in our, look, they claim they invented it. They know it's smart, yeah. Louis Lunch in New Haven claims they invented the hamburger, we're going with it, okay? So, listen, I'm proud of what you guys have stood for. I don't want to come and blow smoke, you know, but you know that I, this is not,

you guys love football that makes it that's 80% of the battle before you even open up your mouth on any of your shows you know pro football that's another now I'm Yogi I'm gonna run out of the percentages you know that 90% of the game is mental the other half is physical so but you love pro football you know pro football and you're inquisitive about pro football but you have pro football, and you're inquisitive about pro football, but you have opinions that are, okay, I get how you got there.

You and I disagree. And, you know, that's hard to convince people that that's what you're about until they listen all the time. Yeah, we love you. You're the greatest ever to do it. Yeah, and we really hope you understand how much you mean to us and how much this means to us because it's

we've done a lot of stuff. We've been doing the show for nine years and There's a lot of pinch me things, but I think this is at the top of the list of hey every year We get to sit down with the Schwamm right before the Super Bowl. It's awesome. I wouldn't miss it for the world because it the grand shot it for the world because it the grand shot and the rock on tour. And we're in New Orleans so we can speak a little French. Yeah, we got a little French. Yeah, I think James asked us to see or somebody that we had on the show was like, what's the coolest thing that you guys get to do?

And I was like, you know, what is like the most surreal moment that I think I've ever had maybe the happiest that I've had related to the show. When you texted me and Big Cat at the start of football season this year, when I woke up in the morning to a text from Chris Berman wishing me a happy football season, I was like, well, I think I'm dead, and I think that this is a simulation or something, but I'm happy with it.

I finally learned 21st century technology. That's what it meant. You text two people at the same time. Texting, yeah, but only because you guys had texted me together. I wouldn't know how to actually do that. Damn, I'm not texting each one of these freaking guys. That's too much work.

730A Eastern, that's why you woke up last. Yeah, I was gonna sleep. Thanks so much, Bob. I'm glad you made time for me. We've had all different locales. Yeah, yeah. Standing invite. We're moving, if you go for the week, which you probably will next year.

Yeah, yeah, we'll do San Francisco. So we've done Connecticut, we've done the Midwest, like both North and South, Chicago and New Orleans. Now we'll go San Francisco. We're in San Francisco. We're truly global. Yes, yes. Well, then when you don't push the Super Bowl in London, we'll do it over there.

No, I don't even. No, I don't want it. No, I don't want it over there. Yeah, don't even. I don't want to. You know what? Don't even. I want to put something out there. Does this show can maybe help? So these international games, which are fine, you know, whatever. I set it on the air, so it's not. And I don't know when they're scheduled yet but Veterans Day weekend they played in Germany two years in a row. This year it's in the Olympic Stadium which do some research on they know what the back like NFL do me a favor any other week Germany's great they're a great ally has nothing to

do with it not Veterans Day weekend. Before you make the schedule, listen to pardon my take. Yes, he does. Goodell listens. Fastest three minutes that night. Veterans Day in Germany. Hmm. Can't misquote me, but you know what I meant. Like don't do it. Play any other week. I'm good. Bratwurst for everybody. Yeah, Octoberfest. Sure. I mean good. Yeah, right worse for everybody. Yeah, you know Yeah, sure. I mean with this plenty of things we can do one day Venus snitzel did free. Yeah, but but not You would think I could get that done by speaking on ESPN this is how I

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pound five to nine from your cell phone. That's F O R the people.com slash PMT or pound law pound five to nine from your cell. Okay, boys wrapping up Superbowl. FireFest, Henry. Danny. What's your FireFest? My FireFest, we've you know been talking a lot about getting older and you know some thoughts and stuff and yeah I've just as I've gotten older. Are you golfing today? No. That's what I asked him earlier. He's like we're dressed for the job you want not the job you have. You have golf today. I don't have golf. This is a golf outfit. That's a golf outfit him earlier. He's like, dress for the job you want, not the job you have. You have golf today. I don't have golf today.

This is a golf outfit. That's a golf outfit. They're sweatpants. Hank, question. What does your shirt say? A polo shirt. TaylorMade. Kith?

Uh-huh. OK. You're golfing today. It's fine. It's fine. Can a guy not wear a polo? Where are you playing? I'm not playing.

Did you bring your sticks? No. What track you at today? No. I got invited to play. I just said no. I'm not playing. Did you bring your sticks? No. What track you at today? No. I got invited to play. I said no, I got to work. Wow. That's progress.

Yeah. But anyway, back to my FireFest, I have just come to the realization in the past year, specifically the last few months, that I may have some irrational confidence about my athletic ability. And I may not be the athlete that I am in my head Last night we did a skills challenge

And I was quarterback That's a sound guy shout out Ian Last how we did that wearing a train conductor hat all week. Yeah Actual amly Super Bowl tradition to get our Sound guy on the mic. Yeah, he's gonna have our actual Anley Super Bowl tradition to get our sound guy on the mic. Yeah, the train conductor hat is wild. It is. You walk in the room, you're like, am I at a ditty party? Yeah, I kind of like it. It's just like something different. But I was, I got tasked with being the quarterback. I had to throw to different quarterbacks. And I put my hand up, I said, I can be QB, which is where the irrational confidence.

So you tasked yourself with being quarterback. We were talking about, you know, there was five different positions. Our coach, our leader was assigned with putting people in different spots. And I said, whatever you need, coach. And then I said, I can throw. I said, I can throw. I thought that I could, you know, again, in my head, I was like, I'm an athlete. I can do anything. I'm great at everything.

Need me to be a quarterback? I can be a quarterback. Easy. But you can't. That's literally my fire. Yeah. I can't. I'm not, I'm not. Would you say that I'm not a God gifted natural athlete? If you were a coach and you had one of your players be like stepping up being like, I can be the QB. I mean, the coach has to be like, hey, that guy wants the ball. Like, let's give him a shot. Not, hey, that guy doesn't know how to throw. Yeah, no, I'm no no blame. I'm putting all the hand up. Hand up. Hank's been consistent

about that. Yeah, sounds like it's just all blame on yourself. Yeah, blame on myself and you know, going back to the dunking thing. It's kind of the same thing like I just maybe maybe I've started to accept the fact that maybe not the jury is not out yet on the dunking just General athletic ability maybe okay. I may not be as God gifted athletic genetic freak as I thought it was You got a hole in one like three swings either true five, but yeah three four fifty seven on throws Yeah, I was windy the balls were wet You got a hole in one like three swings either day true five, but yeah three four fifty seven on throws Yeah Was windy the balls were wet

But yeah, I was it's all on me. No excuses. How big are your hands? I? Got Pedro Martinez fingers tiny hands. No Somebody said you had tiny hands. Yeah, you did like I didn't say that So next time we get in a situation like that. Do it. Do it. Oh No, he's got you beat. Well, he's also like Yeah, so next time we are forced into a situation like this it's like hey, can you throw a football? What will your answer? Be I say whatever you need me to do. Okay, so we did I guess that is different than what you said on Wednesday night when you said I can quarterback. Yeah, I said I can quarterback. I can jump. I can run. I can I probably couldn't do any of those things. No, actually, I think the only thing you volunteered for was quarterback. If that's how you remember it, then now I have the video. This is crazy. Typically, the guys clipped out specific parts and removed

context and removed situations and that's fine. The team performs bad, the quarterback is the reason why. Yeah, it goes quarterback one, then coach. That's usually where the blame goes. So the beginning of this clip is me asking Max if he could quarterback. I said no. Okay, yeah, Max said no.

Can you throw? You got tight handies? I'm not gonna throw. I can see, I can throw. You can throw? You can throw? I can kick. See, that was Hank saying, I can throw.

I can see, I can throw. Or it was me saying, if you need me. I can throw, he says. I can throw. That's her static. Shout out, Pete. But no, again, I'm not blaming anyone. I'm blaming myself and and yeah, when you go three for 57 in front of the world in front of John Gruden, who's just been roasting me

ever since for putting up that performance at Pan American Stadium. It's tough. Joe Burrow came in today and he was that first thing John Gruden. Said to Joe Burrow was we got this guy Hank over here. He went three for 57 last night. American. What can we what can we do to help him? That was tough. Can I just say something you do a very good John Gruden. Thanks, man. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, so get me feeling nice. All right. So what we're going forward though from here is it just like I'm just not going gonna like make these claims that I can do things that I my body can't you know

I'm not gonna cash checks that my body can't write. Yeah. Yeah Hank that it is growth because in the past you would say well, I'm just not gonna do any work No in the past everything I do is wrong in the past I would be like big cats the coach He's got to know me better and know that if I can be quarterback He should have evaluated my talent and knowing that I'm not capable of doing that But that pass in the past that's what I would have said now. I'm just saying hand me What do you say in the past you mean like 15 minutes ago?

Can I do my firefests real quick off that one? Yeah, my fire you just give to go second but you know, but my firefests is, I look up to Hank and he's, you know, one of the younger members of pardon my take and, uh, I look up to him to be like a good athlete and I just have to come to the realization I'm just a better athlete than him at everything. That's sad. It is. That's a tough place to be. If you could have made five of me on that field and I don't think I'm a good athlete. So I have at least a humble thought to it. And then I go out there and I just stun people.

But the problem is I have to just realize like, if Hank thinks he can do something better than me, I gotta remind myself like, no, he can't. That's a big fire festival for you. Because if you care about somebody so much and you believe in someone that much, and then they just disappoint you over and over and over and over and over and over again, then it's like when your parents tell you,

like, I'm not mad, but I am disappointed, that's the worst punishment of all. Yeah, you know what? I'll be the bigger man here. It's like coaching, you know, that's where it's like, yeah. Hand up, hand up. Hank just sucks at all sports, and I'm better than him at it.

Like, hand up. But yeah, you still put me in the number one position.? Number one position. Well, you will you you that was I'll tell you what that was my five friends. That was the last time I'll take Hanks advice on his own athletic ability. Wasn't it? It was again, whatever. Hand up on me. No hand on me. Only would have been like hand on cat. Did you ask me if I could throw and I said yes or did I say just make me throw you? You said I asked Max if he could throw and then you said and then you butted in. You said I can throw or you said can you throw to throw to Matt is

it can you throw that's what I can throw no no no yeah let's play yeah okay oh me would want to watch it again I'm looking at Max and I'm saying can you throw I'm looking at Max wait I could throw is what you said. I physically, I could physically. I was able to throw. It sounds like big cat. You're mad at at old Hank. No, I'm mad. I'm mad at myself. What about present day? Hank? I'm mad at myself. I'm mad at present day Hank as well because present day. Hank, like I said, it hurts to know that like someone I look up to and I'm like, I think he can do everything turns out he can't do anything. So I'm mad at myself. Hand up accountability. I'm just better at than Hank and everything. Hand up. Yeah. Congratulations. I think you should be proud of your team seems like a fully dysfunctional front office

It's chaos from the team it's all on your team the players There's nothing that the coach could do separately and it's it's players. Yeah, and and the players let the coach down Don't the don't our coach put players in no no no no no. The players decide what position they play. When the players demand that they can throw and they can't throw. The players decide what? And you have to think, okay. I want to play wide receiver today and the coach just has to listen. The problem is if I could clone myself and put myself at every position, we'd be in a better spot because I should have kicked and thrown, but Hank had to do something and he stinks at everything.

So what are you supposed to do? Hank, I have a question. Why don't you volunteer for high jump or something? I did. I literally was saying whatever you need. You were training on jumping high. No, yes I was. You volunteered for throwing.

Old me was saying whatever you need. You said put me in, coach. I can throw. I can throw. I could. No, you couldn't. I thought I could. I started two for two.

What happened after? It got really windy. Yeah. And the balls are wet. Also, my five versus. I'm just, every Super Bowl week, it hits me a little harder. I'm just old. Yeah, but still better athlete than Hank. So kind of reverse fire fest on that one. Never forget that two for two. Hank. Yeah, it was electric. I was Japan started off World

War Two. Pretty hot, too. Yeah, you just missed everything. They'll always have what? You missed everything. You know what? No, no, no. No. All I have is two for two. Yep. All right, PFT. Yeah, my Fyre Fest is I've gumbo'd myself to death. I realized last night at dinner, I used to love gumbo.

I don't really want to have any more gumbo. I'm going to, and I'm going to try to enjoy it, but after this, after, yeah, for lunch, I'm about to have another gumbo, but my body is like all sodium right now. I'm bloated. I haven't pooped in three days, which is the exact opposite of what people thought

was going to happen. Yeah. All this gumbo. But yeah, I'm getting, I have to have gumbo for lunch, and then I have to have gumbo for lunch and then I have to have gumbo for dinner but then I have to sneak a gumbo in between. How many are you at? I'm at 10.

So the middle- You need five more? The middle gumbo is pre-gum. That Sunday night one was a big miss. We went out to dinner and there was no gumbo. I'm going to pre-gum before dinner tonight. Yeah. Yeah.

That was bad. You couldn't, we knew in the moment too, we're like, this is a big missed opportunity for Gumbo. It was huge. They had a Gumbo-like dish on the meal. That was basically, you got stopped on the goal line in the first quarter, and it was like, yeah, it's hard to recover. But guess what, it's not over, Hank.

I got the rest of the day today, I got all day tomorrow. Gumbo is delicious, but last night at dinner, I was just looking at the menu and my body needed it was craving the color green. I needed something. I needed a green and I don't know if I'm getting scurvy probably, but uh yeah, it's been a lot of gumbo. I got a solution for you. You could do what some people in this room do and you can be like, I can eat gumbo and then when you can't eat gumbo, you can just blame everyone else. Yeah, well you guys did, when I said- Old PFT probably would have done that.

At dinner the other night, I put my hand up and I said, I've got a good place that has gumbo. Yeah. And then we got there and there was absolutely no gumbo. But I started the dinner out hot by saying, I've got a place. Yeah. And then after that it all fell apart. I do take accountability for that.

That's huge. Yeah. Um, but I, I feel like I'm just sweating. Rue. Yeah. I, uh, last night I went and grabbed pizza after our competition. Feeny pizza has a pop up and our friend Sean Feeny is great pizza, but I was talking to him and he was like, Oh, PFT, we gotta get PFT by here. And I was like, ah, he's only eating gumbo. And he looked at me like, what? That's the other thing. There's so much good food in New Orleans, a two Faye jambalaya, po boys. Yeah. And as much as I want to have it, I just, there's no room for non gumbo.

Yeah. You got, you have to, your schedule's full of gumbo. It's gumbo. Yeah. You're running a marathon and you just, you have the runs. Like you got, but you got to finish. Well I don't have the runs. No, I know, but I don't know what this shouldn't happen. That's what I'm shaving. You're bleeding from your thighs. I'm also concerned about that aspect. The finish line is actually bleeding from my chest a little bit from the waxing, but

the, the gumbo blocking me up is a side effect that should not be happening. Yeah. It's just my body being like, Hey dude, stop whatever you're doing stop whatever you're doing stop this it should be the exact reverse it should be like saying like I can throw when you really should have said I can't throw yeah I would kill for diarrhea right now mm-hmm yeah like all of me would be upset that like you like you want players don't you want players that like want to compete yeah but I do realize that right now like you could quit no I couldn't I can't exactly you got like you don't like just because you get put in a situation where you might

not excel the difference though is even though only would be upset at the lack of accountability by the coach but you know what else I'm gonna do yeah even though I put myself in a bad situation I'm gonna finish it I'm gonna do it and I'm gonna blame anyone no I'm gonna gonna do it. And I'm gonna win. You're not gonna blame anyone. No, and I'm gonna win. I did finish it. And you blamed everyone. I'm embracing the suck, cleats in the grass,

man in the arena, I'm gonna finish the week, I'm gonna do what I said I was gonna do, I'm gonna eat 15 gumbos, come hell or high water, I'm gonna go 15 for 15 on gumbos, which is a pretty damn good percentage. Yeah, it is. I said I was gonna throw, and I hit every target I needed to hit.

57 throws max Mine was kind of like that I I need I need some greens Vegetable and I'm still here for for four more days and I'm No, I'm excited I'm excited for. That's that I'm talking about my diet Say go birds to a thousand people on the street. All right. All right. All right, fine I'm excited for them. I'm excited for the Super Bowl on Big big diet starts on it starts Tuesday. Why don't they make just a pill? It's fire fest you got to fucking talk about shit that's going on. What do you want me to say? Super Bowl week.

They should make a pill for guys like Max that just has a salad inside the pill. No, I like salads. I'm gonna have a salad for lunch today. If you're experiencing a full New Orleans, when we came here for the final form, we were here for like six days, you get to a point in New Orleans because the food is so good and the drinks and everything That you just feel like a sausage on a grill and you need someone to come poke you with a fork Yeah, that's exactly what I need. Yeah, let's get a our audio guy here go sit in meme seat Sit in meme seat. We'll flip the camera around. So this is Ian in in wearing Conductor head on there. So right there. He's right there. Yeah. Yeah, there you go. Oh, okay. Yeah. All right, come sit over here.

Sit here. I didn't realize this was happening right now. Yeah, yeah. I have food on my face. That's all right. That's all right. So this is Ian. He's our audio guy this week. He spent the whole week with us, also part-time train conductor.

What would you, how would you describe, you basically got to sit in this room? Through all the interviews through the bickering through the ball busting what how would you grade our operation? I thought you killed it Oh my especially What was it? What was the best one so far? I think Hmm we have Berman who was before Berman. That's an Okosh, but gosh. Yeah, it used to be like Workwear. I thought that was for kids. No, it's like coveralls. Oh, okay, that's sick.

They make full size trains too. Oh, I like that. Yeah, sorry, I just got distracted. Who was before Berman? Jason Kelsey. That was amazing. That was like front to back. We hit it.

Yeah, yeah. What about off camera? What you think about the operation like off camera? Yeah, like the power off. My phone went off in the middle of this one. So yeah, I like that accountability Yeah, that's big accountability. My pie is my parking. Oh Nice nice. But yeah, what do you think about like you saw some fights some arguments some disagreements? Yeah, you're being kind of mean to him about the throwing. Yeah, but he said he could throw. Yeah. That was probably a mistake. Yeah. Yeah. You're really going in on him. Yeah. But he, because he came in here coming in on me. Yeah. I didn't hear that part.

I just heard you play the clip for you where he said he could throw. I heard that. I heard that. Yeah. And he can't throw. Yeah. I tried. I tried. I tried. I tried him. Try to throw. If you had seen how bad it was, you would be like, I wasn't mean enough. Well, I heard it was like over 55. Yeah, over 55. No, three, three, two for two. That's pretty bad.

Sorry, two for two. I don't think I was mean enough because he was that bad. That's pretty bad. Hank said earlier, we'll always have Pearl Harbor. I didn't think that that was. Oh, I did not say that. Yeah. Yeah, he did.

That was disgusting and inappropriate. What about Max? Max is my boss, so I can't really really oh sure what's I can't really say I really think Max's performance as a boss yeah no Max is the man all right well thank you so much man we appreciate it I also like you for having every now and then why don't y'all take me to the combine okay okay come on let's go party go Jimmy spicy sports ste? You're talking about like, yeah, you're the sound guy. I was hoping y'all would have Marshawn Lynch. And you know, I was like,

maybe I'll finally get to meet Marshawn Lynch. So I was a little disappointed by that. So Marshawn, if you're listening, we should definitely be best friends. Okay, that's awesome. Oh, you got a pick for the game? Yeah, Seahawks Super Bowl future for next year. Okay.

I would, cause I probably got 30 to 1 odds right now. I would hammer it. All right. Gino, you're a Gino guy. All right. Well, thank you so much. And appreciate it, man. My pleasure.

Great week. Great win. Thanks for having me. Really appreciate you. Cheers, guys. That was a blast. All right. Let's kick it to ourselves for lottery ball.

I did not say the Pearl Harbor thing. OK. Next show will be either happy max or sad max Let's finish with numbers 59 40 11 2 3 I'll go 3. Good guess P.M. Maybe remember when you said that you took it for Jalen Hurts. Yeah. Wait, what was your guess for Jalen Hurts? I'll bid birds week. What was your guess last last episode?

77. Alright I episode? 77. 77. Alright, I'll go 77. There's a giant fathead of him wearing number one behind you. His rookie year he was number two. I'll go 77. Hank, what was yours? 40.

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