Pardon My Take - Jayson Werth, Xander Schauffele, Mt Rushmore Of Round Things And Fyre Fest

Episode Date: July 26, 2024

Training Camp is in full swing and Harbaugh is all the way back. Jayson Tatum’s aura has become a national discussion. Intern Huey has a TV Show he’s been writing for 6 months (00:00:00-00:34:58). Mt Rushmore of round things (00:34:58-00:54:13). Jayson Werth joins us in studio to talk about his career, winning a World Series with the Phillies, his years with the Nats, hitting dingers in men’s slow pitch and tons more (00:54:13-01:53:26). Open Champion Xander Schauffele joins the show to talk about winning his second major, his dad being a hoss, what he can fix with his outfits and maybe getting hired to his staff as motivators (01:53:26-02:16:38). We finish with Fyre Fest of the week (02:16:38-02:29:19).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

Hey, pardon my take listeners. You can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. On today's part of my take, we've got a two for for the people. We've got an awesome interview with Jason Worth in person. MLB Legend won a championship with the Philadelphia Phillies. Kind of won a championship with the Philadelphia Phillies, kind of won a championship with the Nats.

No, he didn't. No, he basically did. Yeah, kind of did. Which team retired had a ceremony for him to put him in the Ring of Honor? What did you say? Which team put him in the Ring of Honor? Well, your franchise is like five years old.

No, I just think that's interesting. Also, it's the Montreal Expos, which goes back a very long time. But that's fine. So we have a great interview with Jason Worth. We have a great interview with Xander Schauffele, Open Champion, now good friend of the show. We might be on his coaching staff. We're going to do the Mount Rushmore of round things. And then we're going to finish off with Firefest of the Week. And it's all brought to you by our friends at DraftKings. July's ending with a bang. UFC 304 with not just one, but two titles on the line. Get your own crown, jump in on all

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Is there anything you'd like to say to me, Big Cat? And to Max? And to Hank, who's not here? What? Happy Uncle's Day. Happy Uncle's Day. Thank you. Yes.

Happy Uncle's Day. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I also am an uncle. Happy Uncle's Day, Big Cat. So I say to myself. Happy Uncle's Day, yep.

Hugh, are you an uncle? Nope. OK, so you're out. Memes, are you an uncle? I am. Yeah so you're out. Memes, are you an uncle? I am. Happy Uncle's Day, Memes. Happy Uncle's Day. Hank is not here.

We are actually on vacation next week, but we still have all the shows. So next week's schedule, Sunday, PFT and I will be in studio. Max and Hank will be on a much deserved vacation. Wednesday will be the Takeys, which are phenomenal. We're fired up. 28 Takeys I think we're giving out. And then Friday we will have a very, very special guest and we'll be doing a Zoom show

and then we're off to Grit Week. I'm very excited about what this next week and a half has in store. Yes. Now it is, we are on vacation next week, but to Hank's defense, it's Wednesday of the week before vacation. Yeah. So he left Wednesday, but that's fine. He did do the Mount Rushmore with us. So we taped a couple of them. We taped three Mount Rushmores that so we'll all be participating. But yeah, Hank, when we were like, hey, we're going to take a vacation last week in July, he's like, great, I'll go the second to last week. And the last week.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. He deserves it. He's had a tough summer. Which, speaking of, it's such a shame Hank's not here because, boys, I think, I don't... Listen, we've been doing this a long time. A lot of the things that we talk about here are from other shows or we're not claiming, you know, Mount Rushmore. claiming you know Mount Rushmore we love doing Mount Rushmore season. Obviously it was a joke when we're like yeah we invented

Mount Rushmore season we did not invent Mount Rushmore season there's a lot of things out there that we are part of but we don't take credit for inventing stuff because everyone's got ideas everyone's doing different things. I do think we had a part in Jason Tatum aura conversation becoming mainstream. Yes the Jason Tatum aura conversation becoming mainstream. Yes, the Jason Tatum conversation has reached its apex. Stephen A. Smith put out a podcast yesterday and he titled it, you know, you're doing the rundown of what the podcast is going to be featuring. Here's how he described his podcast.

Another horrifying police shooting. Does Tatum lack aura? So we're going to get to the bottom of maybe both those things at the same time. Yeah, and so Carmelo Anthony also came out and said that Jason Tatum will never be the face of the league because he lacks aura. Anthony Edwards has aura. I'm actually good on it.

I don't think we I'm good on the discussion. We settled it a long time ago. It just was interesting that it's now become like an actual thing that people, the fodder in the middle of July That's what you got. It is Mount Rushmore season, which we invented as big cats around But this is a this is an interesting conversation because it's like it's undefinable Yeah, you can just say like whether or not you like the guy or not, correct? and we also

Began this whole conversation 100% just to piss Hank off. Yeah, I mean, I don't even know what aura means. Everything we've said about Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown, to a certain extent, has been just to piss Hank off. Yeah, if Hank wasn't here, we'd be like, those guys are fucking awesome. They're probably going to win multiple championships.

And who the hell cares who gets the MVP and who has the aura? All that matters is winning. But Hank is usually sitting here, so we have to say they probably hate each other and Jason Tatum has the aura, all that matters is winning. But Hank is usually sitting here, so we have to say they probably hate each other and Jason Tatum has no aura. But also to your point, in those two questions, Jalen Brown has both those things. Yeah, he does have a lot of aura.

And the MVP. He's got aura. He actually has overflow of aura. Plus a thousand aura. Yeah. What would you say if you were to do like statistics on Jason Tatum's aura? I'd say he's like negative 650. Yeah, that sounds about right. I was going to go like minus

nine war. Yeah, war. Yeah, war. Jason Jaylen Brown's like a plus 28 war. Yeah, that's the guy. It's hard to replicate. Yeah. All right, so the other things we have going on, it is training camp. So we are starting to get some of the training camp news. We had Jim Harbaugh welcome everyone to training camp in their new facility, The Bolt, which looks incredible. Inspired by lightning? Yep.

It looks awesome. He said training camp feels like being born. It feels like coming out of a womb. It's comfortable. And then poof, you're born. The lights are on. People are looking at you. Yeah.

I mean, being born is a lot like training camp, for sure. You put your head down, you hit the hole. You just need 10 centimeters of daylight, and then you explode. And Harbaugh, I feel like he hears the word labor, and he thinks hard work. Yeah. So he's like, yeah, that's what training camp is. It's work.

It's giving birth. I wouldn't be shocked if Harbaugh maybe also gives his players some, you know, breast milk. Oh, yeah. Just being like, hey, we got to get we got to build stronger, stronger bones. What's like the the pre come of breast milk, the liquid gold stuff? I don't know the stuff that bodybuilders take. Oh, I don't know. It's like a special type of highly concentrated breast milk. I'm sure that Harbaugh's got the boys Santa shooting that up. Yeah, three yards in the cloud of placenta. That's as often as yeah, I was get placenta and paella Confused and they're very different extremely, especially the taste placenta is delicious. Yeah. Yeah

We had also in Cardinals camp. Did you see this Jonathan Gannon? No, we joke about Jonathan Gannon but this one had me thinking like he might be in trouble because, and he was kind of being funny, but he said that he and several staff members did a deep dive on the concept of momentum, apparently going back to wars in the 1800s. Okay.

And after all the research, when he was asked about it, if momentum exists, he said perhaps I have no idea That's great. That's great. So he did an exhaustive research study on it wars and it's undefined Anytime a football coach comes back from from summer For training camp been like I've been looking at some wars except for the Browns offensive line coach being like the troops didn't stretch Yeah, they invaded the beach at Normandy. Yeah, Bob Wiley It's it's interesting though that he he is like trying to figure out whether or not momentum is real by doing a scientific study on momentum Just ask the sports fan. Just it might as well just be vibes

Yeah Like vibes vibes are real ask a gambler vibes are sitting there and watching a game and they feel it going bad That's momentum like I can tell you when a team that's winning is gonna lose the game Yeah, it's it's like when they usually when they have a black bird that's on the side of their head and they play in Georgia. Yeah. Yeah. It's like 10 years ago, 15 years ago when there was that whole discussion like clutch actually doesn't exist. I'm like, nah, we've been watching sports a long time. Clutch 100% exists. It definitely exists. There's no way to explain how some people are just better and rise to the occasion and other people don't.

Isn't momentum also clearly defined by Isaac Newton? Yeah. Pretty sure it's one of the laws. He's the one who said momentum is your next day's starting pitcher? Yeah, he said, first he said, what the fuck is this apple doing falling on my head? Ow.

Yeah, and then he said, yeah, I don't know if I can pinch it for Derek Jeter. Yeah. Yeah, so momentum's real. It's definitely real. And also in sports, like, vibes are 100% a thing. In war, I think they call it, what do they call it, just when your team's down? It's a French term, the spirit, espéry de corps or something like that.

OK. If your army's pissed off and they're lazy and they don't want to go fight, they're going to get their ass kicked. Yeah. So if you're getting your ass kicked, then that means you're more likely to get your ass. Yeah, exactly. Um, other training camp notes I wrote down for you, Dan Campbell has the biggest podium ever. Yeah. I love that they built that for him. They basically built a podium so big that he can't break it with his hands because I think they were probably nervous that if he gets upset and he Like pounds his fist. He'll break the podium. It's a solid podium. It's an indestructible podium. I like unsinkable podium I like it with Dan Campbell. I would love it if it was like Mike McDaniel behind that giant podium

Yeah, it would just be so funny because of how big it would be how small he would be he get lost I think that might be podium of the year for next year. Yeah, it's just be so funny because of how big it would be, how small he would be. He'd get lost. I think that might be podium of the year for next year. Yeah, it is. We should have put that into the takeys, but it came too late. Lincoln Riley said he's coming quickly. They're coming quickly.

Mm-hmm. Think about baseball. Weird seeing all USC and UCLA and Oregon and Washington in the Big Ten media day. We got a lot of media days going on. What was the context behind We're Coming Quickly? I think it was talking about like, are they going to orgasm?

Okay, yeah, that's unusual for someone who represents the Trojans to say that. Yeah. Usually that delays you. It takes a while, yeah. Yeah. But maybe ribbed for his pleasure. His pleasure on the inside. Yeah. But and then the, I think that was all the training camp. Oh, we had our first training camp fight chiefs. Uh, no, no. Oh, incorrect. First training camp fight was the Houston Texans. Oh, which I think we said on the show, the, and if the AFC south was going to be the first fight.

And the chiefs had one too. Chiefs had one as well. Interesting. Uh, I saw the Jerry Jones talk today. What'd he say? Address the media. AI Jerry Jones or real Jerry Jones? Real, real Jerry Jones, not dead Jerry Jones. He said, he was talking about the DAC extension and the CD-LAM extensions that he's working on and then he compared himself to Patrick Mahomes. He said if you have an option quarterback like Patrick Mahomes, famous option quarterback that we all know, you want to wait to make your decision until the defense gets up on you and then you can make your choice until the defense gets up on you,

and then you can make your choice. Huh. And he also said he's more all in than he's ever been. Oh. So he's like way in. He's been very all in. He is balls deep in. He's been all in every single year for the last 20 years

to nothing to show for it. Well, he's been also distracted recently, shall we say, with his paternity lawsuit. Oh, yeah. What ended up happening? He's like the father? I don't think he's, well, either he's been also he's been distracted recently, shall we say with his paternity lawsuit? Oh, yeah, what ended up happening? He's the father. I don't think he's well either He's the dad and doesn't have to pay for it or he's not the dad got it. So He's saying because he doesn't have those distractions He's gonna be able to commit a hundred percent of his time to the team to being all in which is apparently a good thing In his mind. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, you don't want him all in. No, you want just the tip. Yep

How mad would you be if the Cowboys got actually good max with that like cuz it's it's Kind of a fascinating thing to think about because the Cowboys have not been a threat an actual threat in a long time I know that they have had good seasons They've won a couple playoff games, but they have not been to an NFC championship game since the 90s, correct? 1996. Right. I don't know about, yeah, that sounds right. Yeah.

That's when they won their last Super Bowl. Yeah. So would it destroy you? I don't know. I got one more year. No NFC team ever goes back to back. So I'm good for this year. You need this year.

Right, PFT? Yeah. No one. We just trade off. Yeah, everyone trades. Since 2006, I think. It's crazy. So, haven't had a back-to-back champion. So, the Cowboys can't win the NFC's this year. They can't. Take them off your list. Yeah, take them off your list. Not gonna happen. Not gonna happen. Yeah. And the commanders are gonna rise up and we're gonna dominate them. It's gonna be great. Nothing's ever gonna hurt again. Yeah. Baseball news. So what was the clip

that you just showed? The Colorado Rockies since 2004. It's the last time the NFC East had back to back champions. This was a very funny clip because it was a Red Sox Rockies and the relief pitcher yelled at the batter, you jerked off in a parking lot. Who was the batter? I don't know, but I looked up and he did in fact jerk off in a parking lot. Was it Kellan Winslow? It's one of those ones that you just hope never becomes a viral clip because I didn't know who that guy was and then I looked it up and I was like,

oh, he did jerk off in a parking lot. That's, that's gotta suck going to the ballpark every day being like, someone might say I jerked off in a parking lot and they wouldn't be wrong. And it probably didn't happen that much until this pitcher said it and it was clearly caught on camera. By the way, shout out to whoever did the lip reading for it. Yes. Because you did America a wonderful service. Now every fan is going to know that's the guy that jerked off in a park. I did not know until that moment. Is it Reese McGuire? Yes. Yeah Reese McGuire

He jerked off in a parking lot confirmed but I think it was who is the pitcher who yelled it was Quintrell yeah, Cal Kwan Kwan trail. There we go. Huey. I love how you said that. Yeah, I do too. I also Yeah, Reese McGuire. He He jerked off in the parking lot. That's interesting. The other baseball thing I want to talk about real quick, and this is, we don't have, Memes is a Mets fan, but the Yankees. I saw our good friend Tommy Smokes this morning, and I've known Tommy now for seven years. And I think for every single moment of those seven years

I've seen him tweet. This is the game that Brian Cashman and Aaron Boone are getting fired Mm-hmm yet the Yankees will never fire either of those guys and Aaron Boone even said after getting killed by the Mets. I think he got swept by the Mets this this season He said one of the things I really liked tonight was how hooked up we were in the dugout in the eighth and ninth inning. I'm not worried about the compete level with these guys. This is talking about a game where they lost, like,

12 to 3, I believe. So I don't know what it is with the Yankees, but these guys stink, and they, like, I'm talking about Aaron Boone and Brian Cashman. And they're never getting rid of them. As a two-week Yankee fan, I of them. As a two-week Yankee fan I think. What was the two-week Yankee fan thing by the way? Explain that. I was sold on the

High class and the high the history. The pinstripes? The pinstripes, the Derek Jeters of the world. When was the two weeks? The first two weeks of the season. Okay. They were hot coming out the gate, they looked good, and then I stopped Karen. And then they started to kind of took us up a couple slumps and bumps. But at the end of the day, I think Cashman and Boon, you know, they're going to always be on the hot seat. And at the end of the day, the team's, you know, it's not even that horrible. We have a two-week game. I generally think they're going to be alright. You said once you stopped caring about them, then they went to a slump. You have to start caring about them again.

This is what I have to do for that team to be great. I'll walk for them to run. I like how Brian Cashman, how they got off to a hot start, you're right, but his strategy is basically sign the best players and pay them the most money, which isn't really the mark of a good general manager. It's just a general manager that's got a rich dad. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, Hugh, you are a football and a basketball guy.

You're not really a baseball guy. Just this season, you were like, I'm gonna give this Yankee thing a shot? Yeah, like, I was watching the playoffs last year, and I got kind of sold on baseball, and then... Oh, you were not sold on baseball until last year? Yeah, it took last season to kind of be like, oh,. Oh, you were not sold on baseball until last year. Yeah, it took last season to kind of be like,

oh, this thing, you know, it could move faster. OK, what about the Yankees in the postseason sold you on the Yankees? Not last, but it was the potential. OK. Look at what this team is in the regular season. Imagine if they're good. And it matters when they're playing.

How much baseball had you watched the previous 25 years of your life? Four months, maybe. Four months maybe four months Wait, it's very specific. Yeah four months like cumulative four months. Yeah, like if I had to that's a lot of games But that's not like 24-7. That's just like a day here day there a game here a game there Okay, and then two week Yankee fan and then two weeks. I was I was watching every game for two weeks Stopped no idea. I watched every single game and then you just stopped and then I was like this. What am I doing? To me can't you fan? Yeah, the the Yankees I know that the fans are really really pissed off

But I don't I think that there's a solution to this I think that you have to give Aaron Boone an extension and show that you believe in him Yeah, then the rest of the clubhouse is going to truly believe in him too. Then you'll be fine. You might have a lame duck otherwise. Yeah, exactly. He kind of is a lame duck, right? I think he's got like a, he's got a club option for next year.

So you got to do it. So you got to do it. Extend, air, and boom. I got a question for you. The Olympics started. How are we doing in rugby? So right now we're waiting for the quarterfinals. We made it to the knockout stage in the US.s. Is playing Australia. We won really good. Yeah, they're very good shit

They're probably gonna win. We won a game lost a game tied a game. Oh, that's perfect for us Yeah, and we finished I believe second in our group, which means that we kind of won So we moved on to the the knockout stage. I think I don't know I think I don't want to make any predictions because we're watching the games right now But I like both Fiji and Ireland whoever wins this game. I think is gonna win it. Oh, yeah, okay But it's been it's been awesome to watch like the whole office has been watching sevens And I wish that it had more of a primetime spot. I wish that it was it was happening during the Olympics I wish it wasn't the appetizer for the Olympics right like this deserves get this get this in like a Friday night Saturday night, right?

I don't understand um oh by the way you got the Nationals got no hit today Yeah, we did and you know what thing about me guy like me when we get no hit. I say that we got no hit Yeah, we got no hit by see One guy one guy threw it yeah, but they won't know but they got no hit we got no hit remember when what happened about me Ors what happened in yours? Did you get any hits? OK. Exactly.

Down boy. That's basically, we just took out the newspaper and we just kind of held it over the dog's snout. And he's like, all right, I'm going to lay down. That's what we call accountability, Max. That's as close as you'll get to Max admitting it, by the way. He's just slinking back. Yeah, he's shrunk.

He did. We've had this argument for two years now and he just didn't see the well, how did you guys get a hit? Yeah, I shouldn't coming. Never saw that part coming. It was Dylan Cease. Yeah, Dylan Cease. Fantastic.

Um, yeah, I baseball. I tried to I tried to give I was to give, I was basically like, All Star Breaks a nice reset. The Cubs have been bad. And I was like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna give my all for this next week to see if the Cubs can maybe win a few games and get back in this. I went on Monday night. They're so bad.

Their foul balls are bad. They don't even hit foul balls well. Like not good contact, is that what you're saying? Correct. They suck at hitting the baseball. So when they... Very important part of baseball. That's probably the most important part.

Yes. Well no, they're really good at pitching the baseball. They're just really bad at hitting the baseball. Hitting the baseball is important, especially when you pitch the baseball well. All you need to do is hit the baseball a little bit, and they can't even do that. Ideally, you'd like to combine the two. Yeah.

It's also so boring. It's boring. Watching the Cubs play is so boring. They don't have anything. I've said it a million times. When we talked about with Aaron Rodgers... Oh, no. The Cubs are the Bears.

No, no, no. They've grown up into the Bears? No, no, no, no. They've grown up into the Bears. No, they won. They won in 2016. No, I'm saying like their style of play. Oh, right now? Yeah, their style of play. But they have not historically, I mean, yeah, they're not good historically, but they did win in the last decade. When we were talking about Aaron Rodgers about how often guys think about the Roman Empire and how that whole meme started and everyone's like, ask your boyfriend how often he thinks about the Roman Empire.

For me, it's how often I think about Kyle Schwab are still being on the Cubs. That's almost daily occurrence for me in my brain. He's such a joy to root for. If you're going to have a team that even if it's not that good, having Schwab around the team is Just so much fun just one a big boy that steps up to the plate and matches one bat that would make the other pitcher Not be like oh, I'm fine. This is an easy out. That'd be so sector root for him Shut up. He also wouldn't tolerate other guys not hitting the ball. Well

Right, you just be like dude. Just do what I do just mash just spank a ball. He'd be, yeah, he'd be pissed off. The Cubs in the last, let's see, in the last six games, two runs, zero runs, two runs, three runs, zero runs, two runs. That's bad. That's really bad. Boring baseball. And they don't give up runs. So it's like every loss is a 3-2 loss or a 2-1 loss It's brutal. It is kind of the same in every sport where you'd if your team's gonna be bad or mediocre You'd rather it be the opposite where they're great on offense. Correct instincts have play softball. Yeah Just because you can have fun watching the correct. There's a lot going on. Correct

There I saw a stat the other day. This is um back to football real quick I think the Dan LeBattard show pointed out, but I wanted to make memes aware of it memes do you know that the The Indianapolis Colts have more AFC titles than the New York Jets do Wow. Yeah, that was a that was going around this season Yeah, AFC memes. I stand with you. Don't let them do shame statistics AFC memes I stand with you don't let them do shame statistics Now shame statistics are the lamest thing you can do. I thought you guys Saw it earlier in the year and we're gonna bring it up But I would never bring that up memes I fucking live all I have to deal with every single day is insult stats

Yeah, we got to stick together. Yeah insult stats are not cool We just gotta turn the insult stats on the Patriots He sees see, say something. If you see someone using an insult stat, insult them back. I kind of like using them on the Patriots though. You can use them on the Chiefs, Patriots, any team that's won more than two Super Bowls in the last 20 years.

Yeah, well, because then they have something to defend. Yeah. Like I don't have when people, the insults, we're about to get to the time of year where the Bears not having a 3,000 yard passer, yard passer or what? 4000? I can't remember. 4000. 4000. 30 touchdowns, 4000. That's going to start going everywhere. Yeah.

And so insults that suck. Yeah, they're back. They're not, they're not nice. All right. Before we do Mount Rushmore and Hank is involved in this, I wanted to do one thing. PFT, I told you this. I was going to save this for you. I got talking to Huey the other day and our boy Huey is working on a script. Okay? And I want you to hear the script because I think we need to make the pilot for this. Okay. Okay, so Huey, the floor is yours. How long have you been working on this script? Technically speaking, about six months. Okay, and how many pages do we have one? Okay? Okay? When you say technically what does that mean?

I started it six months ago. Okay, and I did one page. Okay that day. Oh, so it all one day Yeah, I've gone back and edited they can kind of you know Added some lines take added some subscriptions and stuff, but that page and it it's some subscriptions. Descriptions. Descriptions. Yeah, sorry. You're a perfectionist, it sounds like. Yeah. I wanted to be realistic. I wanted to make you be able to believe

that you're in the story. So what was the inspiration for the script? Basketball. Yeah. OK. So go ahead. Tell them what the pitch is. All right, so the show shows called high up in the mountains

Uh, it's about two brothers One looks very similar to me the other uh, it's the inspiration behind the other one Um is by a rapper by the name of shake well, uh, who looks very similar to max stilente. Oh, um but uh, so shake well like a milkshake like something that you'd see on Yeah, like a slim fast yeah He's a big goofy guy got um so it's about two brothers one named Carmelo the other Anthony and They were born two days before he got traded to the Knicks, okay And so you know that's why their dad not not the best of guys grew up to resent them

You know cuz they live in Denver most yeah, you know, because they live in Denver. Most of them, yeah. Yeah, they live in Denver. Now he's got to be reminded of, you know, his two shit-stained kids, you know, Carmelo and Anthony. Yeah. And then, long story short, life goes on. Dad starts to meet another woman.

They have a kid. That kid, guess what he names that kid? Tebow. Nicola. Oh. So now there's not enough room for Carmelo and Anthony, so they're getting kicked out, so now the story is these two shit brains kind of having to figure out life on their own high up in the mountains named Carmelo and Anthony.

I'm in. Yeah. I'm 100% in. We gotta make it. There's not, there's, I did point out when I heard this that the years between Carmelo Anthony getting traded from the Nuggets to the Knicks and Jokic getting drafted by the Nuggets is significant. So the timeline doesn't add up.

So no, well it's just, that's more room for the script. Well Jokic was drafted in 14 and then you gotta think, you know, you add another six, seven years before he starts to like really start to be in the final conversation and MVP and takes a couple six years. So by then, you know, they're pushing 18. Okay. So, you know, it's right on right on that part there. So and then the Carmelo and Anthony resent their baby brother. Yeah, because yeah, cool. So do they do they move to New York? Well, I haven't gotten that for you Oh, yes, I'm open. It's actually a lot of script for just one page Wait, what do you mean? You haven't gotten that far yet because they already in where you've gotten to Carmella's already retired Yeah, no, I mean like no In theory. Yeah, I haven't written all this right You've only written the theory the direction is this right?

This is where we're going the end of the episode is gonna by the end of the episode We're gonna have all this laid out and we're gonna have kind of the path of is this all happening in the first episode? Not all of it But we're the again the pilot's gonna really have to lay down a lot of yeah what these guys are the story You know and then you know them getting kicked out and then that kind of where that ends. And then we'll pick up episode two kind of after the fact. So it's a TV show. So you have a season. Yeah.

Yeah. Many episodes as it needs. I don't question. Yeah. Is there a time jump in the first episode? Yeah. There has to be. Well, no.

Yeah, the first little 30 seconds is them as babies. And then it's Carmelo and Anthony. And then bang. Two days it's Carmelo and Anthony and then bang You know two days later Camilla gets traded and then it's like alright and then it just quick time jump It cuts to these kids, you know smoking weed in the car. Oh, so there is a time jump Yeah, but like again 20 seconds is the first like 20 like you just get introduced to babies We're in present day and then boom. Yeah now we're in present day. Yeah, these kids are present day. Yes, yes, all right. I got a question.

I don't want to completely poo poo your script here because I think that maybe we should make it. When Carmelo was traded to the New York Knicks, did the father think about just changing their name? No, no, no, no, no. He signed the birth certificate a couple of days earlier. So officially, you know, and again, the dad, what we're going to find out from father is

he's not the brightest. Okay. Okay. And that he's, at the end of the day, it's more about the reminder of what he did wrong and he kind of blames himself. Okay. So when he named the new baby, Nicola, did he do that right when Jokic got drafted? He did that kind of late, late 2019.

You know, as he started to emerge. As he was like, this is the guy. this is the guy gonna make the same mistake again Yeah, sure he was committed full-time. Yeah, this was gonna be the guy so we're gonna have to find like a four-year-old actor for Nicola correct. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Okay. Just just wanted to make sure that that's the path Yeah, yeah, a four-year-old for Nicola hot mom shit head dad and then two guys that look like you and me We gotta figure out how we're gonna find two guys just like me and you okay Okay. Yeah, so I think we need to make this pilot every sitcom needs just a wacky neighbor, too Okay, yeah wacky neighbor in there. Yeah, we could do a lot of wacky people in this office. Yeah

Wacky yeah in there. Yeah, we could do a lot of wacky people in this office. Yeah Yeah, what wacky neighbor is named JR the Jers not a Smith. Yeah I'm trying to third man bird man bird man would be a good good Jail I was just thinking like what would an enemy be? To like a nugget. Kobe? Sauce? Kobe? Yeah.

Kobe could live next door. Yeah, well, he shouldn't be in Colorado. OK, we'll figure it out. So I wanted you to hear that. We will make a pilot. We will make a sizzle reel. I don't know if we have enough for more than like 45 seconds It might just be 45 seconds of time jumps. Maybe a short film make yeah make the entire show out of the montage Let's just time jump the entire show

Like how so like just like every minute. It's like we don't know where we are in time Okay, and also should have a lot of NBA highlights in it. Yes. Like of Carmelo Anthony and then of Nicole Yocuch. It should actually be mostly highlights should be like each year of their life. Yeah. Time jumps. So then it's just like another year of like Carmelo, you know, doing something great in New York and their dad turning to them, these fucking kids, you know.

And then next year, it's like, oh, Carmelo Anthony 2013 Knicks. You know, we got something. Yeah. he's just reminded of his kids. Yeah, maybe it's something like that. And they could have like a little robot sidekick named AI. It's got it's got braids like Allen Iverson. Yeah, I like this. Yeah. Because who who doesn't want to watch a sitcom about like the mid 2010s Nuggets. Denver, Colorado. Yeah. Yeah.

Great time and place. Can you tell me how you came up with this idea? Cause you're not a Nuggets fan. No, so my theory is, a lot of- Your theory of how you came up with this idea. Yeah, well it all comes together. I think that like the best shows ever, ever,

are like, you know know like Simpsons Family Guy office friends normal people normal people normal environments normal places. So to to kind of shit stains Simpsons and Family Guy are cartoons. Yeah but the family yeah yeah yeah okay. There's there's talking dog And a talking baby family guys bad bad Regular people we can all Maybe you're not a stoner But you've seen these two and you've seen those types of kids around and now instead of you know it being like a sad existence Uh-huh so confused

All right, what what types of kids you know stoners? Oh? Carmelo and Anthony I was still looking at the family guy I'm moving on yeah But in those type, but you know the backstory of that's usually kind of sadder And you know it's like a little bit like yeah, but this is kind of funny You know it's just Carmelo and it's Anthony you know the resentment doesn't come from like you know a fucking divorce or something right from you know You're naming your kids Carmelo Anthony, and then you're dumb enough to not like try to change it. Yeah, it's just yeah Look, I don't think this answered the question. It's really a story about

I was trying to figure out how you decided that the Denver Nuggets would be like the perfect I just needed a name that had two first names Yeah, and we'd legal in Colorado For two and I went with it got it So you kind of started with just said anyone who's got two first names and we'll just figure out the rest figure out the story Yeah with just anyone who's got two first names and we'll just figure out the rest. Figure out the story. Got it. Yeah. Okay.

I like it. I'm in. Thank you. Yeah. I knew you would be. I think this sounds lucrative. Yeah. By the way, do you understand the new NBA deal?

It's on every channel now? So they extended with ESPN Disney, right? Yeah, and then Peacock and NBC. This is what the leagues are doing. Amazon, I heard that Amazon's getting, this might be rumor, Amazon's gonna get one of the conference finals every two years on Amazon Prime.

This is what the leagues are doing. They're chopping it up and they're cutting it and they're selling a bunch of NBA to us that we have to buy individually. So I wanna know, if you were to be able to watch every NBA game and Every NFL game how much per year does that cost you to be a sports fan, right? I feel like that's the real inflation in the United States right now. It's becoming expensive to be a sports It's they're pricing a lot of people out of watching sports. Yeah, and that shouldn't be right

Yeah, and we should do something about it and we won't we won't but I'm pay for all the stuff They'd make us pay for but I am I'd like the record to show that I'm upset about it. Yeah Yeah, I'd like the record to show that uh, I'm mad Same mad. We're mad. I'm mad as hell and I'm going to keep taking it. Yep. Not gonna do a thing Yep, I can do a goddamn thing Okay, let's get to our Mount Rushmore. Let's do our Mount Rushmore. Then we have Jason Worth and Xander Schauffele. Mount Rushmore

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That's, I mean, that just didn't happen. That was capped. That was capped. Do you like this, Mount Rushmore? I do. You like it? You like it? Yeah. You like it? I like the open-ended ones. Okay. I love it. All right. Round things are actually enclosed.

They're very much enclosed, so this might be a struggle for you. All right, so I have first pick. I have first pick. There's so many good picks. There's a lot of good round things. There's so many good round things. I'm going to try to keep it just basic, simple, run the ball, Mount Rushmore round things, a pizza. That's a good pick. Pizza.

That was my one-one. It's a beautiful round thing. You see your big full pizza. There's just nothing better. Yeah, good choice. That was my one one as well I thought I'll get it for sure because I assumed you were gonna take doughnuts Yeah, that was also on there, but I was like pizza is just listen. I love doughnuts. I

Love doughnuts, but if you had to if it's pizza or doughnuts for the rest of your life, you'd have to take pizza Yeah, I would agree with that like I'm just being honest like I love doughnuts But you can't eat eat donuts every single day. You could eat pizza almost every day. Burrito actually you could eat more. I don't know if you'd be able to eat a pizza every day. That would get old real fast. Also what if you took one bite?

No old people get sick of that. You would never eat pizzas around. I'm not, I'm not objecting. Oh, sounds like you're like a donut. You eat as a circle. You don't eat a pizza as a circle. What about what about a... You eat from the inside of the circle out. What about the long ones, the long skinny ones? What about...

What about in Ninja Turtles, the video game when you just run over a pie and just jump in your mouth? Those are those are those have a different type of... No, like the Long John's. What are they called? I think the Long John's? No. Pizza is round. final. This is round. I know what about a bear claw What about a fritter? Mm-hmm. Those are different names Yeah, that's true. You got me there a donut store. They are at a donut store Something to think about okay Donuts are more pure round

Wow, so we're gonna do pure roundness. more pure round. Wow. So we're going to do pure roundness. I mean, okay. Yeah, we're doing the thought we're doing skull measurements. Okay. Let's hope let's hope you don't pick anything that's not fully round. Let's hope that's hope. Let's hope. Okay, Max, I'll be taking boobs. Oh, you dick. Good one. I thought that was an easy one one Hey, I like to say anything about boobs not being fully round They're not

And Hank is spoken Right yeah, no Around it's a round piece of meat is it curved or yeah, all right. Yeah Good pick. Yeah, good pick. Great pick. Okay. All right. I'm going to go with Pie Mmm pie is round Do you want to object to that Hank? No, I like that pick Okay. All right. Love pie. I'm more of a pie guy than I'm a cake guy

Yeah, I think I clears cake all day. Birthday cake, pretty decent. Pie, vastly superior. Yeah. You don't think pie clears cake? I feel like I've had more cake than pie in my life. That's not the question, sir. So yeah, I would say that my personal. No, one is served more.

Doesn't mean it's better. You get force-fed cake at birthdays. I would prefer birthday pies. Ice cream is better than cake. Why don't they just do ice cream at every birthday? They do. They just do. They do both.

No, they do cake way more than ice cream at a birthday. But you've had more ice cream than cake because it's better. I've definitely had way more ice cream than cake. Yeah, easily. I probably have had a lot of pie. But that's because I select the ice cream myself. I go out of my way to purchase ice cream. I don't get ice cream foisted upon me like people do with cake sometimes.

I don't want to talk shit about cake because I do enjoy cake, but pie is way better. Okay, pie, number one. And then back to me the wheel Mmm, good pick the wheel added on there. Maybe the best invention of all time added on there then red zone added on there You can play about that Hank No, okay. Good. Nice. I'm gonna take a basketball. Yeah. Okay, good pick shit Man, we can foist it I'm going to take

Earth yeah, ah good pick is this terrible Mount Rushmore might be The earth's not round Hank yeah, I hate your boy Kyrie way more round than boobs and I oh You just went out of order You're right wait. What were you gonna? Say you didn't go out of order. No fine. You're good. You're good go What's your pick your other one sure you have to know I? Shouldn't have stopped you fuck. What's the punishment if you go out there should be a no you can just take the other person can take it Yeah, true um Hmm If you go out there should be a no you can just take the other person can take it. Yeah true

Hmm hmm, there's a lot of good ones, but I don't really know Am I just gonna go all food I Mean some of the best round things are food. It is a lot of there's a lot of food out there Okay, okay. I'm gonna go with... Yeah, I'm gonna go with a cookie. Cookie. Beautiful round thing. Love a chocolate chip cookie. And then I will go...

People are gonna be confused because they're gonna think that our Mount Rushmores are not the blind Mount Rushmore's. I'm going to go with the golf ball. Great ball. Okay. Decent ball. That's great ball. They're going to think I was you and you were me.

Especially when I take my next pick. Oh no. The sphere. Oh, this is going to be very confusing. I'm going to lose. These people vote against Hank. Damn big guy. You're really, you're really stinking this Mount Rushmore season. I'm sucking lose his people vote against Hank damn big cat. You really you're really stinking this my rockin right now Hey, and Hanks reaping all the benefits. That's wild. It's I

Mean, we never know it till the vote the votes get kind of a fraudulent pick by you cuz you've never been Also, wait is a sphere of yeah, cuz we gave the earth Yeah, and but it's also all fully round you just pick off ball the floor That boobs the chest like there's well you open this Pandora's box When you went at p we allowed no I didn't I didn't I said I'm not Around you did you open there's a floor to them Boobs around there right there round in the park a Hank you can't see the flat part though the flat part is connected That's the same with the sphere so the part that you see yeah, no I think both played

Yeah, I'm fucked. I'm fucked with this one because he's People are just gonna look at it blind. Yeah, just be like donut sphere Yeah, no you it may actually be good because people some people have been wanting to give Hank okay Pity votes Maybe I'll get that Maybe I'll get that I'm gonna go with a baseball Ah shit, you took mine Baseball's a good pick Okay Now you got two

So now I got two I'm gonna go with the sun Because there would be no earth without the sun Yeah And all of us would be dead, but that's fine It's just what it's your gas. Yeah, but gases in like the cool way to surround gas like that round gas That's just gases fuck round gas. Yeah big round gas, and then I mean the Sun is what it's gas It's burning gas. It's a burning. There's no earning ball. I'm gonna be honest with you guys right now

The moon is round. Scientifically speaking, I'm gonna take myself out of this because I don't know what it is. The sun is round. I just assumed the sun was fire. You wait, are you like extra woke and you think that the sun is flat? Is the sun lava?

It's gas. It's plasma. It's actually plasma if you look it up. Okay. I'm in over my head. I never thought I'd be stepping away from a Hank. Yeah, but I am. Hank's looking up. He knows more about the sun than me. What is the sun? Is the sun round? Yes. The sun is not a perfect spear. A perfect what?

You should get a, that should be illegal now that you got that pick. Okay, so for my last I'm gonna go with Sun doesn't have a solid surface shut the fuck up neither does the earth ever heard of water we're on a solid surface we yeah partially shut the fuck up Hank all right my last one I'm gonna take bagels mmm bagels love bagels sandwiches bagels for breakfast I was just going too many foods yeah bagel baby okay I think a boss is me yeah yeah I'm gonna I've taken it in my fourth pick like 10

times I'm gonna go meatball yes meatball meatball again Max just hits the meatball button Hank oh He's about to be really things about to be a reach Bullseye mmm okay Be careful don't let's not contribute to the toxic climate. What the fuck does that mean? Bullseye were you trying to say dartboard? You're just saying bulls Were you trying to say dartboard? You're just saying bullseye. Target loaded.

All right, got it. Got it. You're sticking with bullseye. Yeah, bullseye. So you're talking about the center of a dartboard. Yeah, the best. That's a great round thing. You get a bullseye, yeah, it's a bad pick, whatever.

OK. Pick out some. I don't know what to do here. I got so many food options. And then I got one with Hubey. Should I go crazy or a little bit outside or stick with the food? You need to risk it for the biscuit now. Okay. You want to go biscuit? Is that what you're saying? Biscuit's a great pick. Yeah.

All right. Super Bowl ring. How is that not round? Kind of. It's a ring. The ring part is round. Right. I mean everything we've- The heart is round. But everything else we've said has had parts that the sphere- Yeah, but the part that makes it a Super Bowl ring is not round. But it's a ring.

It's round. It's what's built into the ring. A ring is round. So, alright, fine. I'm gonna allow it. No, no, no, no. I'm gonna allow it. That has to be allowed. I'm gonna allow it, but we no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, stuff on top, but it's round. You put your finger in the round part. It's a Super Bowl ring.

Memes. Also, there's a lot of Super Bowl rings that were fully round until recently. Max Bollinger. Like, the old school Super Bowl rings were literally just rings, like a little diamond on top. Super Bowl ring rocks. What did we miss?

A lot. We did miss a lot. All right, so here were the food options I was thinking about. Butthole. No. But cheeks. Buts. Buts around. Is a vagina round? Like I'm talking about the actual... I don't think so. You know. The hole? No, the like, yeah. The, the, the pee hole? The part, the part that you go in. Yeah. Not talking about the Labia Majora. I don't know, I've never seen one. Waffles, tortillas, Reese's peanut butter cups. Pancakes.

Pancakes, M&M's. Yup. Onion rings. I had Round Here, Counting Crows song, that song rocks. I was just thinking of Round and I got in my head and I was like, I put it on my list. Lifesavers. Yep. The Thing and the Candy.

Pie Charts. Pie Chart. I hate pie charts. I like pie charts. No, give me a good, give me a graph, like the bar graph. No, see, because then you gotta read the X and the Y. I like the pie chart, I just look at it and I'm just like, okay, got it. What about A Tin of Dip? Yep. dip yeah or Lucy Lucy manhole cover manhole cover

classic round thing yep those are cool to look at gongs gongs yeah symbols in general records drums the wheel of fortune wheel fuck pretty cool yeah that one's pretty cool sushi sushi's round yep toilet paper roll yeah yeah but not a fan I kind of need it I got really into the burger today situation burger yeah burgers burgers there you go hubie Oreos oh this one's gonna be triggering for max so maybe take off your headphones ping pong balls ping pong balls are on balls around yeah and Ping-pong balls around. Yeah. And they're great. Tennis balls, I think, are more versatile than a baseball or a golf ball.

Yeah, if I could have taken anything back, I'd probably go the bouncy ball, the classic bouncy ball. Yeah. That's my favorite ball. If you're left alone with a tennis ball, a golf ball, or a baseball. Yeah, it's tennis ball all day. All day. Yeah, throw it against the wall.

Bounce it off the ground. Throw it up to yourself. Baseball would be cool because you could work on your grips. Yeah. A bowl? A bowl? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, bowl.

Yeah, bowl for a second. A bowl is round. Yeah. And also, like, I was thinking about it. Do you ever? There's nothing really that you have a bad bowl of. You know what I mean? When you're getting a bowl out, you're getting just it. Do you ever... There's nothing really that you have a bad bowl of. You know what I mean? When you're getting a bowl out,

you're getting just good... It's like soup, ice cream. Cereal. Yeah. Good stuff. All good things. It's just great things. Yeah, I agree. Popcorn, like, a bowl delivers great things. It does. A plate, you could have a bad meal, but a bowl is fucking great.

A basketball hoop? Basketball ring? Sorry? Yeah. I did have dartboard on Hank took bullseye what about an aura can I get our board feel like or or is around no the old the old button the spin button yes spin buttons good the number 100 is a round number right yeah Yeah, it's a great number. Just the letter O Yeah, the letter O is good. Letter O. Nobody took circle. Did I get dartboard bullseye? No, you said bullseye

Ferris wheel? Ferris wheel? Yeah, that's very cool. You scare me. I like those. Oh Hank you said bullseye I even said dartboard you said bullseye. Yeah Darport bullseye. No bullseye That's but I whatever that's fine You I'm giving you your pick. Yeah, you said bullseye and you said no just bullseye. Yeah Bullseye like you said Darport I said bullseye. You clarified and said just bullseye. Means You got Kentucky Derby winning racehorshorse. Yeah, that's an animal. It could have just been racehorse. But I specified as I made the pick, Kentucky Derby winning racehorse, you on the other

hand said bullseye, then we asked you numerous follow-up questions about the bullseye. And then you said just the bullseye. I don't think I said just the bullseye, I just said bullseye. I think he did. Home memes. Because they did give you the option to. Yeah, we gave- I said Darkport almost immediately. Yes. We gave you a lifeboat. Okay. Right away. My bad. No, it's good, dude. You're doing fine, sweetie. Thanks. What about just an eye, a human eye? Oh. That's interesting. Eyes are great. Yeah.

Eyes are great. A tire. I know we have wheel but tires are cool. Blueberries, nectarines. Yep. Peaches. Yeah, a lot of good fruits. Grapes. What kind of grapes you guys like? Purple. Yeah, same. I like the green ones. I like the only, I like purple and then if I had to pick the second it's the cotton candy ones. Cotton candy's good. Those ones freak me out. They're too sweet almost they taste so why did why do they taste like cotton candy? Yeah, they're weird

cherries Testicles testicles I thought about testicles. Yeah, but balls not tough to put up there Yeah, it's not a racetrack. Yeah racetrack. That's round. Yeah. It's not. A racetrack? Yeah, a racetrack. That's round. Yeah, it goes round. Right? Medicine. Ferris wheel.

I said Ferris wheel just now, yeah. It's OK. I'm dumb. No, no, that's fine. We're moving fast. We also had Hank kind of derail us with the bullseye thing. UFOs. Flying saucers.

A lighthouse, if you're from Bird's Eye View. Yeah, looking down. It actually kind of looks like a bullseye. Yeah. How did this happen? The Marshalls sports logo. Also round. Yeah. All right. Okay. That was a good Mount Rushmore. I feel good about it. Everyone feel good? I feel good. I think I'm things Hank felt good until until bullseye. Yeah, that's fair But they're gonna vote like they're gonna think that You're me and me. I'm you You you what your pick sphere donut bullseye was the other one And I have golf ball pizza earth. Yeah, you have a good pick because you got rush one

You got pretty much everything with not every critiques every Mount Rushmore like sometimes you gotta take shots. Did you say things? Yeah, if I had cares now my hairs if whole point is to just have fun with the boys after Max's Great time after Max's first pick if I had picked nipples would that have counted? After Max's great time after Max's first pick if I had picked nipples would that have counted Because the baronis part of it Oh pepperoni is a great pick Fuck I didn't want to go so hard food Yeah, I think nipples would have not counted just cuz they are part of the boob. They're the most important They're they're the part of the boob. Yeah, but it's the best part it's the best part of the boob. Right, if you don't have a nipple, you have no boob. Yeah.

Memes wanted me to just take synonyms of boobs. So I was going to go melons, pepperonis. Oh, you should have. Memes. You horny, horny dog. Front porches. OK, good Mount Rushmore, boys. Good job.

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And here's Jason Worth. only on Apple TV plus the instigators rated R. And here's Jason Worth. Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is 15-year MLB Pro, Jason Worth, also horse owner. Jason, thank you for coming in the studio. My pleasure. Great to see you. You got the American Century Championship hat on in studio. My pleasure. Great to see you.

You got the American Century Championship hat on. Yeah. Golfer. Still flying the hat there. Yeah, so let's start with, actually I don't know where you wanna start. We wanna start horse-riding? We wanna start all your businesses that you got going on?

Wherever you wanna start. I'm just happy to be here. I finally made it. Actually, I'll start here. Jason Worth, the connection that we have is we just had David Wells on a couple weeks ago, and Jason Worth's first MLB hit was against David Wells. How pumped were you for your first MLB hit?

Also, how long did it take? Because I always wonder, guys who take a while, does it really fuck you up? Yeah, so it's a good story. So I was a catcher all like growing up and up until AAA. And then I was with Toronto, they finally were like, they're tired of watching it.

So they moved me to the outfield and I played left in AAA the whole year. Played like 10 games in center. And I get to the September 1st, we get called up. We're playing the Yankees in the Sky Dome or Roger Center or whatever they call it now. And I go in the clubhouse, I look at the lineup and I'm like oh shit, you know, nine, batting ninth, worth nine. And I'm like, the fuck's nine? I'm like oh shit, I'm playing right field. I've never even seen a nine by my name before. So I was like, okay.

So you don't ever play in stadiums with five decks. You don't ever play in domes when you're a kid growing up, minor leagues, whatever. So my first game is playing right field at Roger Center. They were out there playing catch, running sprints before the game and they opened the dome. And so I'm like, this is fucked. And of course, first pitch before the game and they open the dome and so I'm like this is fucked you know and of course first pitch of the game Alfonso Soriano hits the highest fly ball that I ever caught in my career first first pitch in the

big league. But you caught it. But I caught it barely and then my first at bat off Boomer I hit a bullet down the third baseline and Ron Coomer was playing third that day and he like picked it up and I think He threw it between his legs to second for a double play and like I didn't really get doubled up much in my career Especially when I was younger because I could move a little bit and first at bat in the big leagues is like Like a Piss missile double play. I'm still in the stand in the box. I'm like They're doing like Harlem Globetrotter shit I'm still in the stand in the box. I'm like fuck they're doing like Harlem Globetrotters shit

So I ended up getting a getting a hit in the game we won I think I had two hits maybe that was a long time ago, but that's really not the the Boomerwell story Yeah, I was mentioning so a couple years later and with the Dodgers and I hit a homer off him and And after the game he texts Jeff Weaver who's a teammate with LA and he said you know what's up what's up with that Worth kid he's like oh dude you love him and and so he comes over he's like all right he's like tells Weave he's like tell Worth to meet me at this address and so Dream he comes over and he's like hey Boomer wants you to meet him at this address.

And I'm like, I'm a kid. I'm like, well, is this like a Hells Angels story? Yeah, you're gonna get killed? Yeah, yeah. He's like, what's going on? He's like, no, he's cool. So I go, I meet him, like, best time ever. Just the coolest dude.

Like, yeah, you know, a couple friends there and like just hung out and boozed it up one night in in LA and like, you know, I was still a rookie at the time. So it was like my first experience with, uh, with David Wells. And I've been friends with him ever since and like saw him American century. I don't know if you saw the picture or whatever. Uh, just the greatest guy. I mean, I've ran into him and we've hung out like, you know, 50 times. Probably I go to his, I go to his charity golf event. He's like one of my better friends in baseball that I didn't actually play with. Yeah. You know, so he's the man.

That's a scary proposition to hit a home run off of him and then have him be like, meet me here. Yeah. Well, I was like, what the fuck? You're getting set up. It's like that scene in Goodfellas where you're getting made. I was legit scared. Yeah. I wonder how many other guys that he's like given up the first hit to, and then he texts them afterwards He's like I have to be best friends with you. Yeah, he seems like a baseball historian. So I imagine it's probably handful Yes, yeah, I don't know. He's a he's a cool-ass dude though. Yeah, sweet. Wait, I have a question about the catcher to outfield thing That's I mean you you thought you were gonna be a catcher your whole life at what point were you like?

This is probably not gonna work out and I have to go play in the outfield and how long did it take to like actually? Learn outfield so double a was a one with first year with The Blue Jays and they they started playing at some different positions DH and we had Josh Phelps was there Kevin cash Guillermo Cura's there's like a backlog of catchers with the Blue Jays. And I had a big year in AA that year, it was like my breakout minor league season, hit like 20 homers, and the next year in spring training was been 02, and Dick Scott was the farm director,

and he came in, he wanted to have a conversation with me, he sits me down, he's like, how would you feel about moving to, and before he could even tell me where, I was like, yes. Oh, okay. Like wherever you're talking about. You were done catching. I mean, I was not a very good first baseman,

but I would have done that all day long instead of catching. But it feels like. Catching fucking sucks. Yeah, but the only thing with catching is it probably sucks beyond belief, but you don't, like if you hit 20 home runs as a catcher, you're one of the best catchers. Whereas if you hit 20 home runs as a catcher you're one of the best catchers Whereas if you hit 20 home runs as an outfielder, it's like, ah, he's okay. So I'm six five

I actually didn't even like catching You know, it's like you're always getting second-guessed by the pitching coach and if you know somebody hits a home runs your fault Yeah, you know, I just I don't know the the stand out in the outfield and picking daisies that sort of thing is more Pretty good for myself. Yeah, save your knees save your knee I just, I don't know, the stand out in the outfield and picking daisies, that sort of thing is more my style. Yeah, save your knees. Save your knees. That's probably the, I mean, as a person- And your back.

Six-five, yeah, and your back. Trying to catch for that long. I played with Matt Weeders in Washington. He was like six-four, and I mean, it was like, he'd been catching for a long time, and you could tell, he couldn't run, his knees back, everything was slow, he couldn't run, his knees back, everything was slow. I could run.

So by the time May came around catching you, you couldn't run. I caught over 100 games four years in a row in the Meyer Leagues. Yeah, that sounds awful. Yeah, it's terrible. Yeah. So growing up, you were a baseball family, right? Everybody in your family played professional baseball. Was there any option for you to not be

a professional baseball player? It was always like Jason, one day he will play in the big leagues. Yeah, I mean from the time I was like hitting T-ball or even before that. I did sign with the University of Georgia and I was an all state basketball player in the state of Illinois.

Oh wow. Hot take. If I went to Georgia, I was gonna try and walk on play hoops. Wow. I don't know if it would've worked, but I don't think I had much of a career path in basketball. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, that's the classic debate. How many major league baseball players could play in the NBA? How many NBA players could play major league baseball? I think I could have maybe sat the bench if I really put a lot of time into it. Yeah. Yeah. Would have been like a nobody.

Yeah. So obviously I'm a nationalist fan. Max behind the glass is a Phillies fan. We had this debate earlier. Do you consider yourself to be a National or a Philly? Who am I talking to? You're talking to me. Well, I'm a Nat. That's a Nat for life.

You're also talking to me. I'm a Philly. Nat for life. I got a question. Which team did you retire for? Washington. Yeah, Nat. Isn't that interesting, Max?

Which team did you win a World Series for? Philly. But it's interesting that he came back to Washington Washington yeah which team did you change the culture at Washington what seems you hit more I'm s season for the Phillies and in Philly we I mean we took that we were losing no seven we we ran down the mat so wait we ran down the Mets, 08, we ran down the Mets, won a World Series, and that changed Philadelphia at the time. So that run from Philly to Washington was pretty good for me.

Being in the Middle East, there is the whole deal, we're good now, but there was that seven years of getting boot off the field every time I stepped on the field in Philadelphia. There's no animosity anymore, so we're good we're, uh, we're, we're good. Yeah. Yeah. Champion. Yeah. We won. What was the, uh, w w was there any like chance you were going to stay in Philly when you, or is it, yeah, it's offered me so much money. I'm not, well, I wanted to stay in Philly. I mean, I, uh, we had a great team. We had, we were all about the same age. I mean, you know, chase and Phil and, um, and Jimmy and Shane,

and then they kind of pat left, whatever. But I mean, we had an awesome team. Cole, I wanted to stay, but there was Ryan, obviously Ryan Howard. There just wasn't, the GM told me this couldn't pay everybody. He offered me some bullshit hometown discount, even though I'm from Illinois and

And it just you know wasn't in the cards. I hired Scott Boris and and pretty much made it known I was gonna hit the free agency market you yeah I think you should get credit for for the World Series in DC too because that when you got to DC We sucked it was it was a bad ball club 200 lost seasons seasons. Yeah, 200 lost seasons back to back. Right. Yeah. And then Jason West shows up. They kind of asked you to mentor Bryce Harper, which is kind of a weird thing to ask a grown man to do when they're they're paying another guy a lot of money. But was that what was that like when he was coming up and it was like, OK, Bryce is the future of the team.

Jason is the guy that's going to change the culture and move things around. But we need Jason to make sure that our gonna change the culture and move things around, but we need Jason to make sure that our young guy doesn't screw up too bad. Yeah, I wasn't very good at that. Bryce was an interesting kid. I love Bryce. We were talking about earlier how hard it had to have been to be Bryce Harper or like Alex Rodriguez

or somebody that had a lot of fame at a young age. You're the chosen one before your brain is even half developed. And before you've even done anything in the sport or at the level. I think Bryce had a tough time in Washington at times. At other times he was great. He was MVP one year. We were good.

We had good teams in Washington while I was there. But you know, Bryce has moved on to Philly, which is kind of like, you know, funny that that happened with him. And you know, he's, you know, now he's like the face of MLB, which was kind of what was, you know, how was supposed to go. Yeah, it was destined for and he's an awesome. He's an awesome dude. He's a great dad, great teammate, husband. Bryce has turned into an unbelievable big leaguer. So I don't know if I help or hurt that cause. Along the way, we had some good times,

we had some tough times, but it's all part of growing up in the big leagues. The veterans kind of have a hold of the team and the young guys got to fall in line. You know, Ryan Zimmerman was there, Ian Desmond, he had a lot of good guys. We had good teams in Washington. I mean, that was one thing that's cool about my career

is I've always played on good teams. Yeah, what about, so a moment, you were a little later in your career, the famous Papa Blonde versus Bryce scuffle in the dugout. The DC Strangler came out. Yeah, where were you when that was going down the famous Papa Bond versus Bryce scuffle in the dugout. The DC Strangler came out. Yeah. Where were you when that was going down

and what was the vibe like in the locker room after and how does that get resolved? I mean, Pap was just on a podcast talking about this. I don't know if he... He talks a lot. He has a lot to say. Pap, I'll show you a video. He just sent me a video from one of the basketball games.

It was interesting. Pap's unbelievable. So I was a video from one of the basketball games. It was interesting. Perhaps, perhaps unbelievable. So I was at the other side of the dugout and it had been building between the two of them. You know, we weren't in the playoffs. So like August is always the month of hate in MLB. So no matter, you know, if your team's good or bad, you get, everybody wants to fucking kill each other.

And it's literally, it's the month of hate. Just from being around each other for so much? Yeah, and then either you fight and you suck, and then you fight and you go on to win. Yeah. And it's no, it's coming, it's inevitable. August is, everyone hates each other. It's hot, you're miserable.

And this was September and we suck, so it was even worse. And I think Harp just didn put it in the effort that uh that pap was looking for that day and He was in the cues in the dugout I have to go back and look why why was even in the dugout in the bottom of the ninth either either you know must have gave up a home run or came in a tie game or when we were down or whatever because usually if You know if the closers in the dugout the bottom of the ninth either yeah it's not great to say which didn't do that very often and yeah and then I think I think the I think the

key words in that exchange were either do you want to fucking go or let's fucking go you can't read Bryce's mouth and you see the fucking head twitch from pap to you know like and it was like it just happened so fast and then then I coined the phrase the DC strangler shortly after yeah so what happens in the locker room after something like that because I I mean shit happens like you said the the month of hate yeah 162 games you guys are with each other all the time. There's fights. I mean people get upset I mean it happens all the time. You got 25 grown-ass men that are you know Work out every day play their balls off every day. I mean there's there's fights There's you know people hate each other the shit that goes on behind the scenes that no one ever sees

That spilled over onto the cameras, which was a little tough. We had a I guess according to the paps You know podcasting did the other day, he called the meeting, which I, you know, I just, I just walked in there after getting our ass kicked again. And next thing you know, we have a meeting and they kind of talked about it and, and, um, how's that? Yeah. When he, when he talked about, was he like, did you guys just see me kick Bryce's ass? Is that what the meeting was? No, I mean, he apologized and I mean, he the meeting I guess and he was just like hey, you know I'm sorry wouldn't shouldn't have you know shouldn't have done this follow ball

Hey the the interesting part from a fan's perspective is because we always you know fans sit there and when we played The sport we're watching it was when you were in Little League and like you're you're all your friends and stuff So you think in your head you're Oh, these guys must all be friends, but that's never how it works. How like in a clubhouse? I mean you are and you're not. Yeah. But like how many, how many guys like w was there some guys in clubhouses, not even naming names, but like that you're like, yeah, they generally they like genuinely hate each other, but we can figure out a way to get along. Yeah. You know, I mean, for the most part, everybody gets along. I mean, the Mets do things sometimes that I think would

probably fall under that, you know, but they're the fucking Mets. So that's just what happens. I just don't I don't get their I don't get their franchise at all. I played the analyst for too long and played against them. But what's so different about the Mets? I don't know. They just suck. But so it like in a day to day, how do you were you like considered a glue guy or you like I'm going to mind my own business type of guy? I mean, I would think you'd probably call me a glue guy.

Yeah. So was it you would you take responsibility of like, Hey, look, I know this isn't going well right now, like just vibes, I got to figure out a way to I think you just make it work. I played on mostly, you know, championship teams that won the division almost every year. And you got to make it work. You know, you fight, you get up, you hug it out, and you move on. I mean, you know, the fights not with each other is with the other team. Yeah, you literally walk on the field, at least you used to, the games changed a little bit, but you used to walk on the field every day, like with the mentality and the thought is,

I might have to fight the whole other team. Right, right. So like that, and I know that my guys got my back. So that's kind of the mentality at the end of the day when the game starts, you're all in it together, you're all brothers, we're all out there to fucking kill people but Cuz I remember you had the good team

Yeah you had a quote about like the analytics in baseball and Just how the people upstairs they they read books and do math and bullshit like that was what you said Yeah, and downplaying the twirlybirds yet But I come super nerds. Yeah, yeah, I fucked that other twirlybird Yeah But downplaying like the importance of chemistry because I do think that gets lost especially with how the media talks about it How the analytics talk about it? It's like guys wanting to fight for each other

Doesn't show up on a stat on a box in a box score, but it's really fucking important Yeah, I mean, I think the Yankees have proved you can have all the best players But if you don't have the chemistry doesn't matter, you know You got you got a give me a give me a group of guys you can have all the best players but if you don't have the chemistry doesn't matter you know you got you got a give me a give me a group of guys that might not be the best players but they get along and they're all moving in the right direction and we'll go win yeah use more the little things right I would imagine if it's something that you actually care about you care about the guy next to you make sure that you're backing them up on on a

throw to third base yeah all sorts of stuff right yeah and that's the stuff off the field too I think that and in the clubhouse and like how that all works the the 19 nats were a perfect example of that I mean we had we had all those things all those years. We just couldn't get over the hump You know we get to the playoffs. We lose in the first round. Like what was it in the 19 team? They they were able to put it all together They know they brought in para and my nemesis, Annabel Sanchez. He's your nemesis?

Dude, look it up, it's bad. Oh wait, no, tell me a story, because Annabel Sanchez is a personal hero of mine just because I had him on my fantasy team the year that he threw a no-hitter. That's literally the whole story. That's my only thing. That was my every game against him.

It's something like three for 35 with like 28 punch outs Jesus grass and then like I faced him when I was hot when I was cold I did hit a homer off him in Philly, but it like it hit the back of the fence like went in the flowerbed You know barely count. Yeah, right I remember we went into Detroit. I was with the Nats house hot. I was like player of the month And I was going there. I was like, I'm like, I'm like, yeah, this is it You know, and it was like two punch outs and a broken bat back to the pitcher It was just like and I got three hits next day. Oh, it's crazy didn't matter

Yeah, yeah, how psycho is Max Scherzer as a teammate on the day pitches? Yeah from to like 230 on Max is great. He's one of my buddies. He He loved you know, it's like, you're a horse for one day and you're a horse's ass for the next four. Yeah, that was Max, he's an idiot. But on the day pitches, you want him with the ball. But at like 2.30 on, he puts the headphones on and starts listening to like,

I don't know what he's listening to, but the funny thing is he'll look over to his locker mate and be like, you know, with the squirrely ass eyes, he's like, see you on the other side. And then he puts his fucking headphones on and he goes full psycho until he comes out of the game. It's awesome. You know, you come in and you look at the lineup

and you're like, you know, you don't really, really for the most part you don't know who's pitching every day just you know you're gonna play every day whoever whoever pitches is inconsequential but you walk in and you see Scherzer you know pitching and you're like for me you're like fuck yeah let's go yeah cuz you know he's gonna be just he's gonna be fired up for the game so yeah yeah ultimate set one up yeah I gotta ask you about the maybe one of the best at bats in Major League Baseball up for the game. Yeah. Yeah. Ultimate competitive. Yeah. I got to ask you about the, maybe one of the best at-bats in Major League Baseball history. It was the NLDS, right?

And you had 13 pitches and then you hit a dinger, walk it off, bottom of the ninth. When we're watching that at-bat, at home, it's like every single pitch you get more and more nervous as a fan. When you're in the box going through that bat, are you like fuck another foul ball? I hope I don't fuck this next one up. Do you get more nervous or do you get more locked in? No, I only get nervous for horse racing. I that a bat was cool. So That that bullpen that Cardinal bullpen that year was the hardest throwing bullpen of all time Like and it wasn't even close and that that was like the new age bullpen.

Now every bullpen's constructed like that. Everyone's throwing 100 out of the pen. Their bullpen was nasty. That Lancelin in there, he had like an 18 game winner. And I saw at the end, he paints two heaters down the way at 97, I'm down 02. I always had this thing, the personal thing of mine where if I got down 02, I'll be like, all right, let's get it to 3-2.

You know, if I get to 3-2, now I can win the at bat. So, and it's, you know, it never works out. I mean, sometimes it does, but that's the kind of the mentality. We're going to fight. We're going to battle and get to 3-2. You know, we're going to be tough out. And I just kept grinding and I kept grinding and fouling balls off. But as I kept fouling those balls off, I kept timing them up.

And there was like a two-two pitch, I think. He threw a hook and Yaddy, probably the best catcher of all time, he went to frame it and just kind of hit off the bottom of his mitt, just didn't quite catch it. You know, if he catches it, I'm done. So then I went to three-two and I was like, I fucking got him.

And I fouled a ball off and the next pitch I shot him and it was like a fucking got him and I found a ball off and the next pitch I shot him and it was like you know pretty cool moment for for DC and for me obviously coming signing that big deal and Kind of suck in the first year getting that organization turned around the right right direction and then You know I broke my wrist and that year in 2012 Had all these wrist problems when I was younger and so then I break break my wrist. Second year in Washington, it's just like, oh my God, I'm gonna, things cannot go worse. Right.

And the team plays great. We're like best team in baseball. I come back off the DL, and it ended up in like 310 or 12 or something that year. And then got that hit. But the next day, I lead off with a double, and we go up like six, seven runs and then we end up fucking losing that game.

Yeah. We were just so snake bit in the playoffs. We had that 18-8 game against the Giants that we couldn't win. Then we go to San Fran, we needed to win a game. Like all hell breaks loose. We got, it was weird. It was like we just weren't meant to win.

Everything went against us. The series against the Cubs that year, I mean we had them beat and we beat them up. When they went and played the Dodgers the next round, they had nothing. Same thing the next year, the Dodgers, we had them beat. They had burned Clayton Kershaw off no day's rest out of the bullpen.

And we had them beat and they ended up beating us. And then they played the Cubs and they had nothing left. We were set up. I felt like we were just hitting our strides. So it was like if we could ever gotten through the first round, I thought every time we were in the playoffs, we were going to win it all. But we got our championship in 2019.

I wasn't there, but I feel like, like you said, I had a lot to do with that team and those guys. Well, it's a big change in terms of what the team was like before you got there to what? The way that you left the team afterwards and you were talking about like changing culture is already what how much can one guy do? As a baseball player to change a culture in this it I mean I tried a lot We had a lot of Zim was a big big help I mean if I ever wanted to get anything done I went to Ryan Ryan. The ownership and the GMs, they would listen to Ryan. I became white noise, I think, towards the end.

I was asking for so much. We changed the medical, we changed the food and the clubhouse and did a lot of good stuff and created this really good environment for guys to go and win and be successful and be comfortable. How important is the food? I think it's everything. guys to go and win and be successful and be comfortable. How important is the food? I think it's everything. Would you stop at McDonald's and feed your racehorse on the Big Mac on the way to the track and expect him to win?

Right. Or would you want to feed him the best food in the world and make sure he has everything he needs from a training, you know, mind, body, spirit type of approach? Yeah. I got a question about your time in Washington as well. And it doesn't totally apply, but it's more like where baseball's headed.

So obviously it was very famous when Strasburg came up and he gets hurt and then they put the limits on him. You see it now with young pitchers, like Paul Skeens had a no hitter going through seven and they took him out of the game. What do the rest of the guys in the clubhouse think when the management puts a limit on the pitchers and you know that it's not the pitchers fault,

but you're like, come on, this guy's a stud, let's keep him out there. Yeah, this is a tough one for me because I still wanna work in baseball ongoing, so I can't bury my former employer on this one. I will say that we had a conversation at the beginning of the year. Davey Johnson was the manager,

and I said, why are we gonna start Straus opening day if we have this innings limit? Why wouldn't we start him in May so we can get him through October? And I mean, we're coming off 200 lost seasons a 500 season And then that season and he looked at me and says we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so I'm like fuck. Yeah. All right, and That was about all I had to say about but I feel like looking back. I wish I would have said more

I don't think it would've mattered. They don't give a fuck what I say. But are the guys in the clubhouse, like do they get frustrated? I mean, I'm sure Strauss was frustrated too. I think we were all frustrated, especially since we lost. But I mean, Strauss was healthy. I don't know, could he have pitched out of the pen?

Could he have came in and closed games? You know? Did he want to? Was he like, I wanna be in there? I don't know. I mean, he had, having, being injured and not, you know, getting to the point where you've made money is really tough in that game.

Right. So you gotta look out for yourself, unfortunately, but you know, at the same time, it's a, you know, you gotta be there for your guys. That was, Strauss was young, the team was, you know, in its infancy, I mean, it turned out he got paid and they won a World Series. So I think it all, it all worked out. Would I like to see him, you know, continue to pitch

or even start the season later? Yeah. So we would have had him, of course, but I don't know. We still had a chance. We were up six runs. I mean, in that game five, we had, I mean, we, we should have closed that out. I mean, it's just another one of those weird things when I was there. We just, just, you felt snake bit really. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it does, that's a good point that you made, which is like, if we have him on this innings limit or this pitches limit, whatever the case was, why don't we just start the clock later? And the fact that he's like,

we'll cross that bridge when we get there, that's pretty much saying, yeah, we're just, we're not gonna do that. Yeah, just go, go back, go out into right field. Yeah. Third or second, whatever it was. Yeah, it's the same amount of innings. It would make sense to just push it back a little bit.

Switching over to the outfield, do you remember the first time that you lost a ball in the lights or just lost in the clouds? Because that feels like it must be the most helpless feeling. It's the worst. Yeah, and I like for whatever reason, I wasn't good at it.

Sun balls too. First one, I wasn't good at it. Sun balls too. First one, I don't know, there's a good one at, you'd still find it I think, it was a Twilight ball. So for like three minutes every night, sometimes the sky goes purple, and if the ball goes up, you got no shot. And it was kind of later in my career, and we all talked about it.

The worst is when you see an outfielder go back and he's throwing his hands up and like, I can't see it, I can't see it. And everyone's just running because they know he can't see. So I'm like, well, just act like you have it. Yeah. You know the center field, you know I don't see it. Like get over here.

Yeah, right. So Andre Ether was hitting for the Dodgers and my buddy Chase Utley was on second and we were kind of like later in our career and Andre Ether hits a ball up and I like, I go back and like camp underneath it like I definitely got it and I don't see it until I see it go over my head. But I was already at the spot. And then I like act like I catch it. And I look at Chase at second base and he looks at me. He's like, I can see him be like, what the fuck? And like he's like laughing around third. I'm laughing. Like it was hilarious.

Like, I know it takes me out of the game. I was like, I fucking got you but that that was there's that the GIF actually or the yeah you can see the ball goes right over my you know they did the thing where it was like the circle for like MLB the show yeah it's like you know when your controller stops working yeah it was it was pretty funny but it is it sucks my buddy Sean Kelly he tells everybody that I'm the worst outfielder of all time because it was like, there was two times in Milwaukee. Now Milwaukee has the weird glare. Sometime on day games, like the afternoon game,

it gets kind of weird in the fall. And there was two balls that went out there I never saw. Like one almost hit me. I was like, I was trying to like just catch the sun and then like went right here. I mean, you're fucked. It's not a good feeling. It's not where you wanna be. But I just always felt like the guys

that are running around acting like idiots and they don't see the ball. Yeah, giving it away. Yeah, I'm like, just stand there and act like you got it. Yeah. You know? I don't know, neither way works. I got a horse racing question for you.

Who's your goat horse race? And this is a very important question because we have one as a podcast. What do you mean? Who's your goat? Your goat horse, the best horse. Oh, who's your goat horse race? And this is a very important question because we have one as a podcast. What do you mean? Who's your goat? Your goat horse, the best horse. Oh, it's easy. Dornak.

Oh, okay, you can name your own. We think Secretariat was roided up and Flightline is my personal goat. So I was at that, so I just got into horse racing. Yeah. So I haven't really, I'm like, this is year three of horse racing for me. I was at that Flightline race and at the time- At the Breeders? Yeah. Yeah, I haven't really I'm like this is year three for strays and for me I was at that flight land race and at the time breeders. Yeah. Yeah, I was there too

I felt like I was watching Muhammad Ali. Yeah prime. Yeah, it was I was the coolest I've seen some cool shit and I put that up there It's number two now after after Dornex winning the the Belmont. That's like I put the World Series the parade and then the Belmont win as my top three. Yeah. That was awesome. Did you find that horse racing people have welcomed you with open arms or is it still is it like a club that you're trying to get into?

I don't know. We'll see. I mean, I think winning the Belmont was kind of like my entry in. Yeah. Can't say anything to you now. Yeah. Yeah. So I know one thing, Saratoga.

Doing that at Saratoga was really awesome. And then so like the next day we went back on Sunday to like get some souvenirs and shit and just run by the tracks. I had a couple people and I felt like the mayor of Saratoga or something. Yeah. Saratoga. I've said it before. So great for people who don't know Saratoga in Keeneland are the Fenway and Wrigley of horse race. Like that. They are the special, special places

when you walk in, you can feel it. You feel like you're back in time. Right, exactly. It's like very old timey and it feels that way. That's a good analogy. Yeah, so, I mean, that's crazy that you won the Belmont three years in. My first coal I bought.

It's nuts. Like that doesn't happen in horse racing. No, it doesn't happen period. Yeah, right, so are you like, are you all in? Are you like, this is, cause it's very cool if you have the money and you know, you can get some success, it's gotta be one of the coolest things to be able to buy horses

and win big time races. Yeah, it's addicting. Well look, I tell people that, you know, running a Tuesday 16 clamor at Tampa Bay Downs is exciting. Yeah. I mean, it's not as exciting, but it's like winning a big game. Yeah.

You know, winning the Belmont was like winning the World Series. Yeah. That's kind of the emotions that you feel. I think horse racing is cool for athletes in general, even, you know, regardless of what level you played, because when that, if you own the horse, I think when you bet on the horse, compared to when you own the horse, I think when you bet on the horse,

compared to when you own the horse, are two different things. You're like dealing with a family member that's playing. But I say that when they come out of the gate, I get the emotions of what I had when I was playing. And you can't replicate those. You can't play anything really, golf or whatever, pick up basketball, whatever it is. I mean, you can't you know, you can't play, you know Anything really golf or whatever, you know, pick up basketball or whatever it is I mean you can't do anything anymore after you're done playing a you know a sport that gives you those emotions

And then all of a sudden I start getting the horse race and I'm like damn like I'm back on the field, right? You know, then you win you're like fuck. Yeah. Whoo. It's uh, it's it's for I think for athletes It's it's an amazing sport Yeah, get into in the first play like was there somebody that you had there was a friend that owned a horse was like Hey, I think you'd enjoy this. Yeah, I was playing golf with some guys. I just kind of started playing golf, too and It's not fair that you're that good. I played a lot as a kid. Sorry Started again. Yeah, wait, how good are you? I mean he was like plus eight or plus ten on wood What'd you say? I got ten points at a yeah, but I played pretty damn. Yeah, it's really I'm a five point six handicap

Yeah, you see what a shot He was awful. I saw him on the range. I didn't need to see what he shot I think so they cap your strokes per hole right? Yeah, you can only go I can only get a double I think he maxed like every hole his first round. He did his swing would would Lead you to believe that's true. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah Such a great athlete bad golf, but athlete it's so funny because you don't when you see athletes like professional athletes golfing You're like this is not fair and then you remind yourself like oh, yeah, they just move different than everyone else So of course there can be good at golf. Yeah,

guys just move differently. I think there's exceptions. But yeah, but I mean, it's for the most part, like you see them, you're like, yeah, of course they are. And I can understand if Alex just started playing golf, because when I started first started, again, I was really bad because the baseball swing and the golf swing are two totally different things. Yeah. Is there a sport that you really stink at? I don't really play many sports.

So the answer is you probably are awesome at all. Every sport that you've played. All state basketball won the Belmont. Yeah. So far so good. Yeah. All star. Seems like you're pretty damn good at all of them. I wasn't really good at long distance running. I've actually really suck. I really suck at long distance. Right. That's a great thing to suck at. That actually means that you're smart. Yeah. It means that your body knows to conserve. Why would you do that anyways? Yeah, exactly. So the other thing is you're into is you're a farmer and you farm regular crops, right. And also marijuana. Like that's how did you get into that?

We haven't actually started farming marijuana. We're in the process. We have a license, too, and we're building the concept. But yeah, I got into ag in 09. It was more of a place just to get away from everybody after the season and do some deer hunting. And then it turned into this. It was about the same time I started

kinda taking real good care of myself, like eating organically, just doing everything I could to be the best athlete. And I didn't want him spraying all that shit on my land and I wanted to eat the, process the deer that we killed and I just wanted to be eating good stuff too. So it turned into this organic farming project, which is which is cool I turns out I like agriculture and we applied for a

Craft-grow marijuana license a few years back and we got it. We're kind of building that all out. So yeah, that's awesome It's really cool. Yeah, so do you actually get out in the fields and do you do like get on the machinery? Sometimes and you get hands-on with it. Yeah, I'm more I'm more into like the planning side of it I've got a farmer that actually farms, but I've done some I've done some harvesting and kind of get out there and move some big machinery around I like you know, I like driving stuff like that. So I've done it a little bit, but I mean that's I Don't know. That's a that's a whole different animal Yeah, I've been saying for the last four years that weed has gotten too potent in America

It's gotten too strong and we need to bring back like just good quality normal weed regular weed It's like mids well weed that you can ditch weed No, not not like bad not like weed that'll give you a hangover This is this is the battle that I fight against people sometimes. I'm like, let's just smoke normal weed. They're like, wait, you wanna smoke shake? No, I wanna smoke something that I can enjoy and then go out and function and go about my day. But a lot of the weed nowadays, it's like you hit it,

then at least for me, I have to just sit down on a couch and watch a show that I'm gonna forget it. You have a low tolerance. I might have a low tolerance, but I think America needs to bring back mids. Think about it. I think just making like yeah average Regular we just one strain of average. It's an interesting concept

I or our plan is actually built on the opposite. We're going for the like the super high and super high Just have one plant. That's just just as normal pot. Yeah, just put like one literally just put one plant outside I think you could probably do this yourself I probably could yeah, I think on your roof time allow you like three plants in Illinois, right? Yeah, do they really? Yeah Fuck it. I'm gonna say I'm gonna grow my own weed. Yeah, I'm gonna show you I'm gonna show everybody Yeah, and I'm gonna sell it for since it's only one plant. I can charge just an enormous. Oh, that would be illegal. Yeah You're right. I'm not just an enormous rate. Well, that would be illegal. Yeah. You're right. I'm not going to, definitely not going to be doing that.

We're going to smoke it. And we're going to smoke it. Yeah. Have a hell of a time. Try it. Let me know if it's, if it gets popular, maybe we'll, we'll, we'll change our business plan up. Yeah.

I'll sell you my seeds. Yeah. Max, I'm sure you have a couple of questions. Max is diehard Phillies fan, baseball player. I don't know if you saw some of his swings last night. He was the Matt Stairs of the CAA. I was falling around last night. You guys are idiots. I mean, you're way too old to be going out there trying to hit 700 home runs. Well, those, Max is a little bit younger. I'm an idiot. When I looked at the, we're

talking obviously about the Jerry after dark. We did the Barry Bonds record. I looked at, halfway through I looked at the leaderboard and it was the bottom four guys were all 37 plus and I was like, this might be the moment that we gotta just stop. But Max was a beast and Max is still in his prime. So Max, baseball guy to baseball guy, you got questions about the Phils, the World Series champion Phils?

I have one question. And it's not about the World Series team It's about the o7 team and the Mets collapse Let's talk about what exactly was going on like in the clubhouse during September like You were sure you guys were so far back and the Mets had such a big lead and like each day like the Mets kept Losing the Phillies kept winning like what was going on in the clubhouse? Well, did you actually think that like you had a shot to catch them? I tell you what, I think we thought that there was no way in hell we weren't catching them.

Like the mentality of that team, and that's what set that run off, because we knew we were so far back. We were seven down and 17 to play. Crazy. That's nuts. Crazy, yeah. So we sweep the Mets.

And I had a big game. I think that might've been 08. We did the same thing in 08. We were down seven. We were down seven with 20 to play. You can't even remember your favorite Mets collapse. There are like five of them that come to mind. They come together, but there was like,

I stole second, we're tie game. I like walked off Billy Wagner, there was I stole second we're tie game I like walked off Billy Wagner and then I stole second we were down a run. I stole second and third and then Took to Gucci Gucci. I played for the White Sox. So to Gucci. No, so was on away. This was oh seven Okay, so this was oh seven. This was this was the one so still second third He hits a he hits a double and ties the game and Chase comes up and gets a base hit to win it, to walk him off on a four game series. And that was the moment where it was like,

we can't be stopped. And we come down, so this is cool, the last day of the season, second to last day of the season. I guess it was the second day. God damn, they all run together now. We come out of the tunnel, walking down the tunnel to run your pregame sprints or whatever,

and it's like, it's fucking loud out there. And by the time we got in the dugout, it like cranks it up like, you know, it's like full throttle, it's like, it like cranks it up like, you know, it's like full throttle. And we look and it's seven nothing Marlins against the Mets. And they like started at like, you know, 105. We're like the 135 game. So it was like seven nothing to start the game.

And like we like that the place Philly is so fucking cool in this regard. It was going ape shit. I mean, everyone's going nuts. And we had the game game was you know, we're still 20 minutes till the game Yeah, and it was like we're like we ain't losing So we win that game I Think you know like I'm kind of a crazy double play still but That would have made us tied for the set if we would have lost we've been tied going the last game Yeah, but then we were up so

And then the next day at Charlie told me I wasn't playing, so I was like sitting in there, I had my shoes off, had my spikes off, and then Jimmy comes in and says, hey, you're up, it's like the ninth inning or something like that. I'm like, I'm up. Like, all right.

So I throw my shoes on, I got 19 stolen bases on the year and like 24 home runs. So I'm like fuck I got a chance to go to 2020. And I get a base hit or I walk or somehow I ended up on first base and I steal second base, you know, dead cold. Like probably could have like tore hamstring or something. But I went 2020 that year and like I wanted to rip the base out of the ground I didn't cuz it was only 20 bases Yeah, that was a you know that was kind of the start of the the Mets kind of in my mind being the Mets

Yeah Yeah, yeah, no, then we did it again the next year and then won the World Series. Yeah, it was awesome I just like I was 12 years old during the 07 run I think that was the first time like that we made the playoffs that yeah I could really remember sure and then that just set up the Phillies to be like such a good Well, if you remember guys for a little while, we have who sell out every every night. Oh, yeah It's like it's like what it is now. Yeah, you know you watch the Philly games now I mean this place is going bananas Hank. I love it. Yeah, what's the hardest place to play? Is it is it in Philly for me?

It was the old Marlin Stadium. It was any anything in Miami was hard. I guess I don't know I didn't play very good down there the giant that was a true chest. Yeah, and what was the other? Volt Volstad volt Volstad he was there too. I wasn't very good off him either He was I think he would pitch the next day after I was all fucked up and then he would be like he was like 610 I didn't get any hits off him either What's the hardest like visuals whether it be batting or in the outfield in the in MLB? So any I'll tell you what the good the good ones are like the ones where they have the flat background That's like close to the fence like Milwaukee, Arizona

The good ones are like the ones where they have the flat background that's like close to the fence like Milwaukee, Arizona Philly Philly is really good The tough ones are the ones like Boston where it kind of goes back or they put fans out there the old Miami Stadium Where it would go back for like a long ways. I think that's why I didn't play good. I didn't see very good, but You know San Frans kind of you know batters. I sits way far back. Yeah LA is good good good place to hit It's kind of, you know, batters. I sits way far back. Yeah. LA is a good place to hit. Yeah, it's funny because you don't even think about it. Like that matters a lot, I would assume. Yeah, a lot.

Inable to see is crucial. Yeah. Did they change that rule because of the Cubs? Not having fans that are just in center field. Yeah, cut sometimes. They used to wear like white shirts when the opposing team was batting and then change into black shirts. Yeah

Some guys it doesn't bother bother me a lot Yeah, what about um what about just velocity in general for pitchers because we're seeing I think in the all-star game We had this one guy get in from the A's last night He threw a bunch of pitches that were above like 102 miles an hour. He's just topped out at 103.6. I believe But we definitely makes it harder. We've seen a lot of like the velocity has been increasing a lot in the last couple years Did you notice in your time span when you started playing to the end that pitchers are getting faster? Oh big time I mean when I came up if guys are still throwing like 80 89 sinker sliders You know like there was none of that left by time I got out of there. My last year when I came off the DL,

I like put one of those flaps on my helmet just as like a mockery to how hard everybody was throwing. But I made the joke the other day, it was like, you know, I played in like the golden era of baseball. It was like when it was still pure and like, you know, what it was for the last hundred years. And then, you know, now it's like everyone's throwing 100 and wearing, you know, what it was for the last 100 years. And then, you know,

now it's like everyone's throwing a hundred and wearing oven mitts. It's turned into this, you know, totally different phenomenon of the sport. You know, no one hits for average. Yeah. You're either striking out or hitting a home run. Yeah. I don't know. It's the game cycles through these things and, and the game is still the game. I did a, I did a broadcast the other night for the Nats and I still love the sport. I think it's great. It's just changed. The rules have changed.

Does it benefit guys like, I know Kyle Hendricks is on the tail end of his career, but he was always a guy who was like, he wasn't throwing more than 91, 92 and he was kind of- Felt a lot harder though. Yeah. Does it benefit guys like that who have something a little different than just throwing a 101 down the middle? Yeah, I mean, I can. I don't know.

You know, that's why you always kind of switch up your pitching rotation so it's not the same guy every night. Right. But I don't know, velocity was, especially these kids now though, they're used to it. That's like, that's all they see.

Yeah. You know, we didn't ever see that and then all of a sudden one guy would come out of the pen throwing 100. You're like, oh shit, this guy's, you know. So it's just different. But it is weird that batting averages have plummeted with the velocity. It's like the thing that makes the game fun to watch is actually statistically not proven over

the long run to make for the best batters. So like home runs and strikeouts, not that fun to watch. People getting on base, the excitement, the drama, that is fun to watch. But the nerds upstairs, they're like, well, if we model this out over the course of a full season, it's not always the best for us. So yeah, the twirlybirds, right? So baseball's caught in this weird place where it's like, do we want an entertaining product

or do we want to win baseball games? We don't know if this actually proves out to win baseball games over the long run. So it's kind of frustrating as a fan, someone who used to watch a ton of baseball. Right, I agree. I feel like we're losing fans. Yeah, by the way, I looked it up.

You were actually worse against Chris Volstad. I thought so. Yeah, 3 for 33. And you were 6 for 33 against Annabel Sanchez. Yeah, equally as awful. Yeah, so I'm looking at it right now. You were awesome against R.A. Dickey. You just could hit a knuckleball?

Yeah, I hit a homer off Wakefield in Boston. And I was with LA and 0 for my rookie year. Yeah. And we played a lot of backyard Knuckleball wiffle ball when we were kids. Yeah, I just equate it to kind of going back to that. But yeah, I Killed I killed a are you dick? Yeah, you you hit 400 against him. So you just like you There's like a you had you had two home runs against our a dick. How's that? Oh, I thought there's more but still I mean you 406

You throw me if you would throw me fastballs really yeah, you got tired How how intimidating of a pitcher was Dan Heron, and he's a close friend of ours So feel free to tell I say how great he was Dan Dan was nasty Yeah, I play with Dan Washington too, so I got to know him. He's like the best guy. He's like the driest most sarcastic Yeah, that's funniest dude. Yeah, you have diarrhea every day. He'd pitch the best guy. He's like the driest, most sarcastic. Yeah. Funniest dude. Yeah. You have diarrhea every day. He'd pitch. Yeah. Chuck Pepto Bismol. He said that he would when he was, when he was last year when he was with the Cubs, he was like, I contemplated retiring every time the wind was blowing out. He kind of, he's, that's

the type of guy it was. Yeah. Uh, he's, uh, I remember facing them when he was in Arizona, you know, he was just, he looked like he was really mean and like you were kind of like, you know He's a bulldog out there and his stuff was really nasty But then I played with him and realized he's just he's a really nice guy nicest dude ever. Yeah, nicest dude Yeah. Yeah, who were you the best against? I'm looking it up right now. Do you know? The best that was like good. Yeah the best that was like good. Yeah. I had some good games against Clayton Kershaw.

Yeah, you also. I hit lefties great. You tuned up Tim Hudson. All the Braves guys. Yeah. D-Lo, hit good off them. I played good against the Braves and the Mets. Yeah.

Played them a lot. Yeah, you hit 386 against Tim Hudson with four home runs. Yeah, I remember one time on the bus, Rick Ankill was on my team and he was like, hey, J.W., Tim Hudson just texted me and told me to tell you to fuck off. There you go. It feels good going both ways. Sanchez and then that. Yeah.

How, this is a dumb question just how sick is it did a home run. Oh sick. It's like yeah sick. So it's the best. I mean you guys hit a ton of them last night so probably like that became you're so tired you probably hated it but no it's it's especially a big one with it with the on the road you know in a big game when the place is packed and then like you hit it, and you can hear a fucking pin drop. Oh, I'm sure when they do the slow clap, then you hit a home run,

that's gotta be the best feeling in the world. And just goes dead silent. Yeah. And then everybody's like, fuck, and they're all leaving. Yeah. And that's a pretty good feeling. Yeah.

Also, most rock, just know that you don't have to run the bases, like you can just try, take your time. I like to run the bases though. I think that's part of the game that we're missing out on right now. No one knows how to run the bases. Like you can just take your time. I like to run the bases though. I think that's part of the game that we're missing out on right now. No one knows how to run the bases. Yeah. You know, this whole stealing stolen base rules

kind of, you know, messing up the, you know, the numbers on the stolen bases. And then the guys are making a ton of outs on the bases. Yeah. And it's like, when I would coach my kid, that summer I coached my kid, I was like, what, who's teaching you guys? What are you guys? I mean, it's it's like a lost art. Yeah, really is I agree with today the giant sliding mitt

Yeah, and they got all these skits, you know, you got kids 12 year old kids wearing wearing the oven mitt like Why yeah, just wear a bigger mitt get like four extra inches Yeah, just flop it out there and be like, I stole. Just touch second. I mean, I played a long time. I never had any problems sliding the bases with my hands. Yeah. Did you ever have a rivalry against a pitcher that, did you ever charge the mound?

No. No, I wouldn't put myself in that situation. One on six with a guy behind you, it's not a really, I guess one on five with a guy behind you, it's not a really, I guess one on five with a guy behind you. It's not a great place to be. Not good odds, because I did see a video, I think it was you and Jose Fernandez, where you stared him down.

Yeah, he would hit me a lot. Yeah, you guys locked eyes, and neither one of you would look away. But then by the time you got to third base, I think things were all good. Well, he punched me out of that game, and then he was like, he was running his mouth at me when I had my head down, and he punched me out, and he stared me down,

and I didn't see it. So the next about, he hits me, and I'm like, what the fuck, you got something to say? Like, I was ready to fight then, but he was just a kid, you know? I was like, I'm 12 years older than him, or something like that. So I was just like, why?

You know, I got to second base, and D. Gordon was at second base, I was like, what the fuck's what? What's his problem? Yeah, I don't even know. Like, you know, and I knew D. When he was a kid, I played with his dad, Flash and Philly. And he's like, I don't know, man, what did you do to him? I was like, I'm fucking do anything to him.

And I got the third and he was like looking over me. He's all smiley, you know, and I'm like, what are you looking at me like that for? He's like, you're looking at me and I'm like, what are you looking at me like that for? He's like, you're looking at me. I was like, whatever. So I don't know. That was a didn't really have too many issues on the field. We got into a lot of fights in the minor leagues. Yeah. But nothing, nothing too bad in the big leagues. I was there for the Bryce Harper fight in San Fran when he throws his helmet sideways. Yeah. That's always, that's a funny one.

It was interesting because he threw his helmet, one of the, it was like 50 cents first pitch. That's how bad the helmet tossing. That's hilarious. But then his flow was so good after he took his helmet off. I thought he just took his helmet off to show off his hair. So you had Bryce throwing his helmet sideways with his hair. You had Samarja and Mike Morse coming right in between the two of them and they literally like made out.

Mikey never played again. Like he had like concussion. Samarja never played again. Like ended both of their careers. And I was coming in there and I had my hair, it was like the hair olympic. And yeah, that was a good one. It didn't end up being too bad.

We had a little mix up with the Pirates one time that got a good one. It didn't end up being too bad. We had a little mix up with the Pirates one time that got a little testy, but for the most part, there's only been a few really bad fights. Yeah. Most of them are just- They just get everyone chest bumps. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you try. Yeah, yeah, you start with the- All right, so I have one last question. This has been awesome. We appreciate you coming on. It's a roll back question. R H O B A C K dot com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback.com promo code take. You did something that I wish more professional athletes do and did. It's the coolest thing you can do. I don't know why more guys don't

do it. You were tired and then you played like rec league baseball one time and just fucking but okay. So even that one time the bomb you hit it was so goddamn awesome. What? First of all, how sick was that? Because like that's honestly I don't know why. Like if you were a professional athlete can't win but especially like with the amount of shit talking that happens on social media these days if I were a sick professional athlete The minute I retired I would go play intramurals and just kick the shit out of everyone to be like there's levels, bro All right, so so full disclosure a good buddy of mine became a good buddy of mine Matt Micah closure, a good buddy of mine became a good buddy of mine, Matt Micah was involved in the congressional baseball team shooting in DC when Steve Scalise

got shot. He was there. He got shot twice. I went to go see him in the hospital after that whole thing. Um, and that's where I met Matt and like, you know, he was about dead when I met him and I was like, Hey man, get, you know, take care of yourself. He played baseball in college And I was like, hey man, get, you know, take care of yourself. He played baseball in college. I was like, we're bringing you out to the, brought him out to the Nats Park. And then the next year he took a little batting practice,

but he still, I mean, he got shot in the hands. So it was weird. So years later, I'm playing with Seattle in the minor leagues my last year, pulled my hamstring. And I quit. I just like, that's it, I'm done, I retire. And I come home and Matt calls me. I just like that's it. I'm done. I retire and I come home and Matt calls me. He's like, Hey man, I'm getting back on the field next week for the first

time. Will you come play with me? I'm like, fuck all I get. Yeah. I mean, I have to. So I'm like, sure. So I go and it's just like, you know, it's probably the worst field that I've ever played on. The, you know, it's just a wreck field that I've ever played on the you know, it's just a rec field whatever I ground out first of all, I'm tuned up for like 95 plus. I'm just retired right these guys are throwing like 78 Yeah, so I like ground out the shore Bugs bunny like one two three strikes. You're out, you know, like swing three times with a ball Strike out my second about and then these fucking guys are like mouthing me. They're like, I don't know who this guy is.

I'm in DC. Yeah. They're just like talking shit. And the guy goes 3-0 on me. And then the catcher's like, whatever. And it was like one of those times where the hair stands up on the back of your neck. And I got like fucking mad.

Yeah. And then I hit a ball over the moon. And I came in. And that was my last trip around the bases that ever really ever I'll never play that game That's all over again. And I told came in I said that's it boys. I'm going home I walked in my car with my full uni Spikes on got in left that so you proved your point though Like that was a moment where everyone's like clowning you and you're like no dude

I can you don't understand the difference between me and you Yeah, so that was you know, and it goes around social media like quarterly, you know people send it to me Like are you playing rec league? Yeah, I was like 20. I was 2018. So it's been a while Why you wouldn't you wouldn't you wouldn't do it for softball? I don't think Just fucking mad. I would not play softball. Absolutely. No, I Was if you would have called me and said hey, I yeah, we need you to come in and get us home last night Yeah, I mean I maybe would have you know slammed a six-pack on the way over there. Yeah, and And and came in hot but it would have to be for a good cause

I don't think I'd I'd lace them up and go go run around the outfield or do like that Yeah, just for a good cause could just be to feel good one day. Yeah, just show up just to dominate someone I'm not I'm not there mentally right now. Okay. Yeah Well, we may need you on a barstool softball team because that's also my dream is just doing a barstool softball team And then just like one week just showing up with like five x MLB guys You're see that episode of the Simpsons Homer at the the bat Yeah, they get the entire team of just MLB players. Yeah. Yeah, that's what we're gonna do when we face off against like Bleacher report Yes, you know buy some horses too. Yeah No, I want to see you do is

Yes, I get it. Yeah, I'll consider it. Do you have any more horses? Yeah, I got a few any any good ones that are like at the same level as Dornhag? Yeah, yeah. I own this horse named Drip. And Drip was supposed to be the favorite in the Tampa Bay Derby. Tampa Bay Derby is winning, you're in the Derby. Yeah.

And he scratched that week. But he ran the fifth fastest time of the year on his first race. And we think he's really talented. He's with Whit Beckman, trainer and his workmate was honor Marie And he was working out working on Marie by like a length every time was kicking his ass Wow And we joke that would drip made honor Marie cuz I don't really got in the you know ran the derby ran like Eight and then ran fourth in the Belmont nice horse, but it's not real big and dripped his drip towers over good

He's a good magic sire same as Doric and I think he'll he'll be he'll run We're kind of pointing him to the big races next year. Like I don't I've got this crazy dream Maybe maybe he runs in like the DUI Cup or the the Saudi Saudi Derby or something the breeders Yeah, and then the breeders at the end of the year. So He's ready. He would be the only other horse that I have that's really good. It's a nice trip It's great name. Do you have any input into the names of the horses? I didn't on that one actually But I do on some of them Doric was is a cool story. I was actually in in Scotland playing

playing royal Doric the golf course which with Utley and And I came home the next week. I came home. I called the the trainer was like hey, how's that horse doing? And he's like, oh, really good. I was like, have you named him yet? He's like, yeah, Larry named him Dornak or something. I'm like, like the fucking golf course? That's nuts. And he's like, I think so.

I was like, when? I was just there. He's like, yeah, last week. So literally while I was playing Royal Dornak with Chase, the guys named the horse Dornak unbeknownst to me being there anything like that Wow is meant to be yeah Runs 10th in the derby wins the Belmont. That's incredible incredible. Well, uh, Jason, thank you so much We appreciate it. It's great having you on yeah not for life. I finally made it. Yeah finally made it

Yeah, I like complete you made it before after you hit that home run off that random, dude In the inch did you get it? Did you did you stare him down? I'm not really The my my best my best pimp job ever was off Carlos more mall and at Nats Park late when he was later in his year Cuz he would always pimp everybody with the Cubs Yeah, good, and I got him a 300 home pimp the fuck out of my favorite was my favorite pimp of my micro I wasn't I didn't put much because wasn't really that wasn't the thing back then. Yeah. No, I mean the the the home run against There's I I do watch it like once once or twice a year just cuz it's so fucking awesome because you hit it so far And it's the rec league one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How's it going? All right. Thanks so much Jason. All right guys

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it, but I wanted to start real quick. We watched obviously the entire Open Championship. We're bad golfers. We're regular golf fans. Just how hard was that course, especially with the wind, like in regular golfer terms? Like how bad would we be on that course? Really bad. Okay, that's what I thought. Yeah, because it seemed miserable at times. Saturday was really bad. With a little bit of wind and rain,

it would have been a good day to watch golf on TV, no doubt. Yeah, yeah, it's much more fun, I would imagine, seeing it on TV than being even a spectator at that golf tournament, because you're dealing with the rain, the wind, the elements. The patrons of Royal Truen have a hard time, just like the golfers. Congratulations, like Big Cat said. Very happy for you.

Got to know, your dad said he was going to drink wine out of the Claret jug. Did you get to drink something out of the jug before he did? Or did he just take it from you? He's like, let's fill this up with a mall back. Red wine was the first thing poured into it. Yeah. And he, he immediately, I had to go to media after the ceremony on the green. And as soon as we got in the car, he basically took the trophy off me. Uh, and then they're like, you know, you should probably give it back to your kid for the rest of media. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but it, you know, you should probably give it back to your kid for the rest of media. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but it, I mean, it was his first major because he

obviously wasn't there for when you won your first. So, um, how, like, what was it like having him there? First of all, when we saw him, he, you didn't do him justice. He's a horse. And I mean that in the best way possible, like an intimidating guy had the hat on, was drinking out of a flask. But what was it like? Like what was it like after the round and just like getting to actually celebrate it with him for the first time? It was, it was awesome. You know, the, uh, when I called him after Valhalla, how he looked on TV was exactly how he sounded on the phone after Valhalla. So if you want to just put those two together, he's a he is an ugly crier, no doubt. And it was it was it was awesome, though, you know, I had my whole family there. You know, my uncle's my agent, my wife was there, just the people that have been with me for for such a long time. And, you know, my dad is European. And this is, he is an American citizen now. But you know, this is like the one he really wanted. And, you know, I'm not picky, but for me to deliver this one to him in person is probably the coolest thing. And I don't know if I can top that.

You know, the gold medal was up there, but this is, you know, right there with it. Yeah, I mean, it was very it was it was an awesome Sunday to watch you were so locked in. Did you, at what hole, maybe it was in the back nine, maybe it was in the front nine, but I feel like it was the back nine. But what hole were you like, I'm here, I'm locked in, I'm winning this thing? After I birdied 14, I was able to, there was a huge board on 15 and that 15 is such a hard hole, but it was, you know, like crazy left to right and I was like you can I've hit that fairway every day and I was like you just got

hit this very one more time kid I was like just hit the fairway and you're gonna have like a wedge or nine or eight iron in and after I hit that fairway get you know, like a little fist pump inside because I was like okay, we're dancing like this is you know, this is my tournament to lose. Like only I can mess this one up. So a little bit of added pressure in that moment, but I felt like I really took control after I birdied 14. Yeah.

Yeah. Did the thought of like a van de Velde even enter your mind at any point? Cause I feel like if I was winning at the open championship, I wouldn't be able to stop myself from thinking about it I just be like keep your shoes on That's incredible luckily, there were no burns ripping through the rest of the property, so I

Really I took a really deep breath after I hit the 17th green It's a very difficult hole after I hit that green I took a huge huge breath because I knew you know I had at least a two shot lead. I was expecting guys to birdie 16 behind me but I knew that I was in a really good spot and you know 18 is iron iron you know I hit three iron eight iron you know so it wasn't it's not to have a two or three shot lead going into 18 is a very nice thing to have because yeah it is you is not the most intimidating tee shot with an iron.

Yeah. Somewhat idiot proof at that point. I feel like in the open, the caddies do a lot of great work for the golfers, maybe more so than in some other tournaments because you have to know as you're approaching each green, you have to land some of your shots 10 yards, 15 yards short of the green. Are they giving you specific spots? And how much time did your caddy spend studying all the hills and all the slopes that are right at the front of that green?

Yeah. So, you know, Austin's my boy. He's been caddying for me since, you know, my dad caddied me, caddied for me for a few events and he got canned. But Kyze has been with me for ever since I've been playing and corn fairy up through the tour and he's incredible. He does a really good job and I definitely feel like he gives me that sort of edge or advantage that you were talking about on properties that you know aren't super known on tour. You know whenever we play US Open or PGA. So there's these big championship style golf courses where more information the better especially if you haven't played it much and you know,

Kai's is he's good for walking, you know, I mean he has that little Apple watch or whatever and you know, I I think last year at the open he he locked like 30,000 steps one day. So Just out there walking China like you said figure out every little mogul every little bounce where it can go can't go all those types of things. And he's funny, you know, on 14, there was a really big moment because I was kind of like, I might hit five iron. And he was like, it's a six iron. And I was like, Okay, it's a six iron. I was like, this is aggressive. He's like, just hit it between the bunkers. I don't know if you

guys remember that part. Yeah, two coffins, like the flagstick and then two coffins in the green. And he's like, just hit it between the bunkers. And of course, I was so locked in. I hit it in between the bunkers, like a really good iron shot in there to like, whatever, 12 feet. And I remember after I hit the shot, I looked at it and I was like, just hit it in between the bunkers. Like advice. Yeah. Just hit it. Just hold out. Yeah, just hit a good shot. That's all you got to do.

So I'm fascinated. Obviously golf is so much mental and this year has been incredible for you with two majors and you were going into this year. One of the guys that was like, Hey, can he win the big one? Because he's been so good, but he hasn't won a major. So after you win the first one, you're winning the second one. Was it easier mentally? Did you feel like, Hey, I've been here. I know it. The pressure isn't the same as it was during the first one. And is it, does it feel kind of like the, the top is off now? Like this is the sky's the limit.

Yeah. I mean, the expectations are gonna have to get reeled in here. You know, I don't think I would have won this one if I, you know, my head was, you know, through the roof for too long. But that's gonna be something I need to work on just to you know, set the bar right and then keep moving along like we've always been moving along. But yeah, I mean, totally different feelings for both I was significantly more nervous at the PGA just the back and forth holes playing a little bit easier. The style of golf was so different. And then you know, everyone was so

bunched up. Not that people weren't bunched up at this one, but the back nine at this true golf course is so frickin hard. And if you hit good shots, and you make birdies on these holes where no one else is making birdies, you will you will gain an advantage. And so to me, you know, I wouldn't have been as calm at Trune if it wasn't for Valhalla. But I was way more nervous at Valhalla than I was at Trune. So it's kind of funny how, how the two kind of paired up and how different they were. Yeah. All right. So I got a tip for you. Cause if we're trying to stay humble, not go, you

know, go through the roof. Um, have you thought about maybe changing the golf shoes? No offense to your golf shoes, but the all black shoes are tough because you kind of look like a server. Like you look like you're going to pass me some like bacon wrapped scallops. So maybe that's maybe we've got to work on that part of our game. That's the next step. That's humbling.

Yeah. You know, they look like shit, dude. They look like shit. Come on. I got I got nothing for you. You know, this is my shoe sponsor They wanted me to work contrasting contrasting You know colors. Yeah, go white and then black stripes. That's easy

Okay, you know, I Just I figured you know, I was sitting there and you know, I was spending such a long time getting ready before I went to the course Yeah, yeah, you look slow. Yeah. Yeah. Right. You might go off to look like Adidas makes great shoes. I don't give a **** what I look like. Well, I'd see that. See, that's a problem. You're you're you're through the roof. You're we gotta humble you. I don't have to look at me when I'm playing. Okay. Well, I'm very true. I'm telling you, I do have to look at my shoes. Yes,

but if you I do feel good. So at my shoes. Yes. But if you, I do feel good. So as long as I feel good and then, you know, the shoes are the shoes. I wore those black shoes at the freaking PGA and one with them. Yeah. Had the same complaint. I'm just saying if we're trying to work on our game, if we're trying to find different ways to get better, PFT said it like what white shoes look faster. Uh, I think maybe go, you know, white with maybe blue stripes because Adidas makes great shoes, great sponsor, but we're just trying to get you better.

You know what? Let me show you something. Better and faster are two things I'll definitely take. So maybe, I mean. Let me show you something. See these? These are black Adidas shoes. I like them.

I can't see them. I don't, hang on, hang on. Hold on, he's going to get them. He's flexible. Wait, yep. Oh, okay. I am not an athlete. I look slow see him. I don't hang on hang on. Oh, he's gonna get him. He's flexible wait. Yep Oh, I okay. I am NOT an athlete. I look slow as fuck and shores and sure make you look sure They look short. I'm actually six feet tall, but when I wear these everyone's like oh pft's 5'8 Don't be afraid to you know, let your body hit the Sun every once in a while either

Listen I'm not good see we can take it back. You know, better podcasting. I'm really tan, and I've been podcasting my balls off. There you go. So who is the fastest golfer on tour? You guys ever race? Not me. The fastest would probably be, oh, gosh, who hits really fast?

There's a few guys. I mean, I can't think of anyone right now, to be honest. But there's a few guys who just, I mean, Dustin was, he would hit so fast. There's a few guys. I mean, I can't think of anyone right now, to be honest, but there's a few guys who just, I mean, Dustin was, he would hit so fast. Matt Jones. So both two guys that went to live are like the fastest guys I've ever played with. There's a few, I'm trying to think of the guys that are unbelievably fast in our tour now. I'm not talking about about club head speed or ball speed. I mean like fast,

like because you look slow, who's the fastest runner? We play golf for a living, dude. We're like camels. Yeah, we're just supposed to just flop around until we get to the finish line. Yeah, running up there. Yeah, Ricky's fast. He looks like his legs can move pretty quickly. Yeah. Mike, you know, my caddy is a little top heavy, but he's pretty quick. He's got some quick legs. That's a good way to say top head top heavy. I call myself top heavy. Did you have a

talk with Scotty after I know your friends are them being like, cause listen, we didn't put an asterisk on, uh, your PGA championship, but some people did cause Scotty got arrested. So were you like, Hey, asterisk off. I did it. And you didn't even get arrested this time. Yeah, actually. Thanks for reminding me. I was, I was meant to send a bottle of wine to that police officer. I feel good. It's it for it. Now the asterisk is off of PGA championship because if you

had only won that one, we would have been like, yeah, Despite my slowness. Yes. Yep. And bad style. Lack of speed. Yeah. Lack of speed. I'm legit now. Yes. Yes. You got the stamp of approval. You actually can golf. You're a good golfer. Yeah, I feel good. Yeah, this has been really helpful for me guys. Thank you. One can be a fluke. Anyone can win a major. I could win a major if I just played the best golf of my life. Especially when Scottie gets arrested. I could have won that. This was actually harder for you to beat Scottie because he was naturally driving on the wrong side of the road over there. So he probably felt very comfortable in Scotland.

Yeah. So, I want to ask you about your good friend Patrick Cantlay. Do you guys just know going into every tournament at some point you'll be right next to each other on the leaderboard? It's always going to say at some point, Shofley, Cantlay, and then everyone's going to be like, okay, I used to think you were the same guy. Well, he's white, I'm tan. I mean he could be whiter than you to be honest chance Unlikely, but yeah, you got you guys just always kind of find your way together

Yeah, this is actually the first time we were paired together with tiger Thursday Friday and quite some time And then we were paired together Saturday and like two or three days in a row we wore matching sweaters which was not intentional. We got to the practice practice green and we're like god damn it. I mean why not we'll just shine together. Yeah I mean you you will work on the fashion part. Alright so I had one. Next time I'm going out to make sure I'm dialed. Yeah, we'll get you right. I had one last question, row back question, rhoback.com, promo code take, 20% off your first purchase, Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, great polos for the golf. So you're now about to play in the Olympics, right?

Yep. So what is Olympic golf compared to playing in the majors? What's the pressure like? Is it, is it wildly different? Like how do you, how do you approach Olympic golf? It's pretty different. I mean, you're, you're essentially on a team kind of, but it's the same. I mean, I approach it the same way. To be honest, it's a 72 hole stroke play and you're 60 guys and everyone's, you know, playing under the country and everyone wants to win and only you know, I think the emphasis on second and third is a lot more than a normal tournament. You know, you podium versus if you, you know, don't do well and you come in second or third or if you're doing well and then you fail at the end, you feel like a, you know, one of those and I you know, in the Olympics, everyone's fighting to finish in the top

three more so than any tournament, I'd say. Yeah. Have you thought about getting the Olympic rings tattooed on you? That's what all Olympians do. Yeah, maybe I'll just do them in all black. Just look extra slow. Listen, I, I feel like you, you know, you might not like that we we came at your shoes, but again, I think that you're going to have a lot of people walking around being like, Xander, you're the best.

Xander, oh my God, two majors. Call for the year. Just remember, whenever you want to get humbled, you come back here and we'll find something to nitpick you. You guys, I don't think you guys have ever had a conversation with my dad. He can humble you pretty quickly. Yeah, let's do it. Let's have a humble off.

It's important. I'd love to have mom. It's really important to have haters. What do you try? I'm going to think now that you guys are I'm going to draw you two up as haters right now. Yeah. You know what?

Bolton board. We like you so much that I'll gladly have you hate us. Yeah. Just because I want to see you succeed. I don't I don't really hate anyone, to be honest. I'm not really. I'm from San Diego. We're all just go with the chill vibes.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Or whatever color shoe you want to wear. It's not a big deal. Yeah. All right, we got to get you to hate us. We got to just bolt and board material this. I can do it.

I am very confident in my ability to piss you off. If you make them a hit, I'll let you start hating sorry hate you guys not I had one last question for you. What is the shawfully way? Hmm, is that something my dad said I it probably is it's your training especially your Olympic training What did he say I don't even know So I've got I've got a note here I'll read you what the note says because this is what this is what the tour is sending out about you. It says that you have learned discipline from your father and his Olympic training. They call it the Shofley way. That's what he calls it. You know, it's probably you know, it's kind of got like some kind of weird ring to it, I guess. But maybe the tour acquainted that I'm not not really sure. But the shot the way is just my dad's half French, half German. So growing up, it was you know, my mom is Taiwanese group in Japan. So you know, we have the axis, you know, I mean,

I'm the allies, my parents are the axis, you know, we're on that side of the world. And discipline is something that I grew up with. So hard work and you know, I always watch my parents, they're super disciplined, they're super hard working working and maybe that's the shop away. I'm not really sure, but it has to be something along those lines of, you know, how they were sort of raised and they're, you know, countries. Yeah, it's like, it's all, it's all tattooed in there. I like, I like the Shofley way. I feel like your dad's sitting there watching you win majors and he's like, that's the Shofley way. And you like your dad's sitting there watching you win majors and he's like, that's the Shofley

way. And you're in your head, you're like, I don't even know what the fuck he's talking about. This is the Shofley way. I love that. Yeah. Look slower than you are. That way you'll surprise people. Yeah.

Shofley way. Shofley way. Sneaky fast. Yeah. Deceptively quick. Yeah. You are deceptively quick. Yeah, you're you are deceptively quick. You're you are slower than people think. Hmm. Be fair, though, maybe I'll just keep wearing the black and white shoes, because I am a slow learner. Yeah. How long to win two majors, you know what I'm saying? So

the lids off now. Now, actually, I did have one last thing. So when you win, this time, it's a little bit different because you had to wait. It wasn't like, you know, you, you make your putt tournament over your major champion. Did you feel like you had to kind of tamper down your celebration because you had to wait for other people behind you to finish? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you just never know when it's over and you know, the last board I saw was on 15. So, but the way everyone was kind of behaving and I was like, you know, I when I got up, I saw that I had a three shot lead when I was on the last hole. And it was like, you know,

it was weird. I was walking with Austin, I was just I was trying to take it all in because that that walk up 18 with the yellow leaderboards, you know, that is like if you're a golfer, that's that's the sickest thing ever. You know, you get I got chills when I was walking up to the green because I was like this standing, everyone stands up and you take your golfer, that's the sickest thing ever. I got chills when I was walking up to the green because I was like, everyone stands up and you take your hat off, you're appreciative of everything. I'm sitting there walking with one of my best buds and it was like, this is pretty freaking cool. This is

sick. Then I was like, oh shit, I still have to putt. I can't yam this 18 foot or four feet by. I quickly kind of locked back in. Like you said, I didn't want to let my mind wander too much. I was just, you know, it's done when it's done. And you know, I'm a big believer in that. So yeah, maybe I you know, I didn't really, really feel the need to celebrate or anything because I wasn't sure if I was gonna win, you know, someone could make a hole in one on 17 and hold or hold out on 18 or something like

that. So I just I mean, how much of an ass what I look like if I was sitting there just like, you know, over the top celebrating and then just get absolutely shafted in the end. But it is what it is. So the big moment of celebration comes when they take that last stroke where it's like, okay, they mathematically can't win now.

And then you let yourself go. Yeah, once, you know, I think they had to hold out from the fairway on 18 and, you know, after they didn't pull out, it's statistically or mathematically impossible to tie. And then it was over. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, Xander, thank you so much. Have you thought maybe you're just never gonna lose a major again?

What happened to this whole humble thing that we're just saying, I just got started thinking like, because that's how I think about everything. Like, whenever I whenever I play anything, I'm like, what if I just like if I'm just saying, I just got started thinking like, cause that's how I think about everything. Like whenever I, whenever I play anything, I'm like, what if I just like, if I'm playing beer pong, I'm like, what if I just never miss? Like, have you thought about that? Maybe, maybe you just will never lose it. You've already lost your last major.

That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. US Open was the last major you'll ever lose. Whoa. What if you just retired right now? John Elwood. you'll ever lose. Whoa. What if you just retired right now? John, that would be the hottest take on PMT ever. Yeah. Yeah. Zander Shafly has lost his last major ever. That's my yeah. Yeah.

Not my words here. We're going to bet you accordingly. Yeah. So we will let you know if you do not live up to it. I'm gonna see if I can parlay all four. This is what's great about the media. It's like we spend years saying like, I don't know if Xander is ever going to win a big one. Then you went to. Who's your guy now?

We talk about that. We don't need to find that. We don't have to talk about our guy or who might be our guy, Max. But after he's a good friend. After we spend all these years saying like, you can't win a big one. Now, every time you don't win a major, we're going to be like, what a disappointment from this guy. Like he's off. He's overrated. You swing to overrated so quickly these days. Absolutely disgusting. He needs to change his shoes. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well we did, I feel like we did a good job. We broke you down. We built you

back up the Shaw flea way. That's good. All in 20 minutes. I'm feeling refreshed. I'm ready to go. Yes. Alright. Thanks so much, Xander. We appreciate it. We'll talk to you after you win the Masters. Oh yeah. And the gold medal. And the gold medal. Yeah. Okay. Got it. Everything. Okay. Alright. See you man. Congrats. Welcome back to another Fire Fest of the Week brought to you by our friends at Morgan and Morgan. You know what really sucks? Not being around for Fire Fest of the week. Maybe our favorite segment of the week.

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I miss just having somebody I can get angry at. Huey you want to start? Cuz Hank's not here. Yeah. All right. Give us your FireFest. Oh, so my FireFest is coaching softball Particularly me. Yeah, I heard you were a really bad coach. Yeah No, this is the I was a bad coach. The report I got was you guys, they asked Huey to coach because Pug has, Pug is off the team. Yeah, he needed some time off.

Because he resigned. He might be back in a remote role. You signed up for softball on nights that we were, like you have to work. I know, I don't, yeah. Yeah, so anyway, what I heard and I would like to hear Huey's side was Huey was made the coach and all he did was chirp and like be an asshole to his own team. Okay. Hand up. That was wrong. Wrong of me. Wrong of me to do everything

I've done. I I can make excuses. But none of them would surmount to anything excusable. But here I go. I wasn't aware of what they were expecting of me. I didn't know, you know, I had to keep track of the outs and the score. Those are two big ones that I did not was not aware of I probably should have asked more questions before I accepted the job mm-hmm I think that's fair to say and I just you know I then we went off against another team they had they had uniforms and they had they had drills in between

each inning and we they had pregame drills. They had at least had pregame drills and are you you're not a baseball guy like throwing it around the diamond is a drill like was the third baseman was the first baseman throwing grounders to the shortstop in third base and then they were throwing it back to him. Yeah that sounds like it was it's not really really true. Max. What was his forming up in between? What did Pug do when he was he was the coach? Did he have you guys doing drills? No, Pug didn't have us doing drills. He made the lineup every day with a nice little graphic. He would do a little pregame speech. He would keep track of the stats and then he would he would do a postgame speech after the game. That

was basically all he did. He was a great vibes guy. Everyone turned to Pug when we needed something. And then to a hole's credit, well, Huey, sorry, three hours before the game, somebody sent the text being like, Pug's in the lineup. And then I texted knowing Pug wasn't going and said the Pug's in the lineup. And then I texted knowing Pug wasn't going

and said the Pug's maybe dead. And then Huey got elevated to manager three hours before the game. Sounds like interim manager maybe? Yeah. Yeah, and he was a dick? Big dick. Slight dick.

Slight dick. Huey, I'm going to take your side a little bit, because it seems like this might be a millennials problem and a Gen Z problem, that they can't take hard coaching I just I didn't I wasn't told everything if I knew how to keep track of stuff. I would have been on my game more Um, I also had three beers perfect amount, but not for me Yeah, and it was the night that the episode dropped the first episode a little little anxious little that's fair It was like alright

and then you know gonna have some fun with the boys and all of a sudden we're playing a team that had matching uniforms and you know drills and it was alarming and I got caught off guard and and I you know and I didn't I didn't keep track of what I should have been keep a track of and I got frustrated and I let it out on everyone if you if you know fair to them if you drink three beers don't keep track of anything during the game and then just yell at your teammates I mean Tony LaRusso has made a great career that but he did you notice what he said there when he said three beers He said three beers perfect amount not for me

Yeah, yeah, so you over did it. I should have known my own Overserved by yourself the perfect amount for someone else, but not for the person actually drinking up. Yeah, that was, yeah. Live and learn, and I'll learn from that. Okay. I don't think I'll ever have a coaching opportunity again in my life. You're not in a manager tonight? No.

They shouldn't let me even allowed it near the stadium. Okay, so. Never mind. Yeah, they do play in a stadium. What, he's not coaching tonight, Max? I don't make those decisions. That's Pug. Pug has been reinstated as remote coach. Oh okay. So that's how bad he was. You'd rather have a coach who doesn't

show up then Huey. We're also our team name is the pugs like we. Yeah I think that's more of the case is like you can't you can't fill pug shoes when you have a dog and your dog passes away you don't get another dog immediately and then expect it to be just like the other dog You gotta wait a little bit of time. I was a shelter dog. Yeah, my last owner beat me. Yeah who I Don't want to talk about okay Let's go the analogy. All right. Well, you'll get better. Maybe you get another shot. Yeah, there's a Friday basketball game Maybe I get it. I get a coaching job there, you know, no coaching in that Okay, well you'll play in it. Yeah, so maybe I'll help the camaraderie, you know, I mean let me we could use a coach

Yeah, I guess we could I just I just heard from Hank that he was like, yeah, he showed up the game We made him coach and he just talked shit the entire time Nobody knew who he was Who is his first? Talking shit? It was his first day on the job. This intern who's just talking shit when I pop up right now. You should have gotten kicked out. You should have just gave the umpire a piece of mind. He was much bigger than me. And there was no way I was going to challenge that man to anything.

Hug energy. Alright, PFD, your Fire Fest. My Fire Fest of the week is that I'm going on the road for a little bit, so we are going to grit week starting not next week but the week after. Yeah, 10 days. So 10 days, but I'm doing, I think I'm doing seven cities in 14 days. Holy shit. Because I got a wedding, then I'm going to Austin for a little bit, then I'm going to

Columbus for Pup Punk, then I'm going to Columbus for Pup Punk, then I'm going to Nashville for Pup Punk, then I'm going straight from Nashville to Grit Week in our cities that we're going to be going to Grit Week. So the challenge I've put myself in is I delayed packing and I'm leaving tomorrow and I've got about a two week long trip that I have yet to pack for and I've only got my tiny little red suitcase. You can do laundry. I can do laundry on the road, but it's also in like seven different cities.

Yeah. Packing for all that and a concert that I have to bring my guitar with me for. You're going to lose at least three things. I know myself and there will be one item I will just completely forget to pack entirely, meaning like I might not pack socks. Yeah. I might forget entirely to pack underwear. Yeah. I might not pack socks. I might forget entirely to pack underwear. I might not pack shirts.

I've gone on a trip recently where I just didn't pack any shirts. Maybe you should just not pack. And just buy stuff in every city? Yeah, live off the land. Live off the land? I could do that. What would I get in?

We've done it for Grit Week. I might do that for Grit Week this year. All new fits? That actually would be fire. I'll do it with you. We land at Grit Week and we go. We've done it before. Yeah. Goodwill. I kind of like this. I have all new fits. Exact. You and I have the exact same fire fest, even though I don't have a fire fest today. It's the, I haven't packed a single thing and I'm going, you're going to Europe. I'm going to Europe tomorrow and I'm going

straight from Europe to grit week. I'm not. Yeah. All right. All new fits. So let's get new fits. The second we, we arrived because I'll get there. I'll get your first fit. So when you show up, like I'll go to like a pack sun or something. Yeah. And we'll get us fit. Do whatever you want. Yeah. Yeah. Actually we'll switch off days. I go day one, you go day two, I like back and forth makeover. Maybe maybe actually everyone gets a day Okay, so I'll start I'll start on the Sunday. I'll get the whole boys a fit and then we'll go Yeah, we'll just do fits every single day. I like that part of my makeover. Yeah So so sounds like a video PFT you can do Monday and then yeah, max can be up Hank can be up Huey, maybe we'll do it

Max can be up, Hank can be up, Huey maybe will do third. I'm so- I don't know if that was- I'm so glad that Huey's around because there's probably only one guy in this room that has a worse sense of style than I do. Yeah. Although the coat was great. The coat was great. That was all my dad.

Yeah. Yeah, okay. That's great. Okay, so that's how you turn a Fyre Fest into a F-I-R-E Fest. Yeah, I love that. Now I'm excited about this. Yeah, I love that now. I'm excited about this I love that. All right my fire fest. It's simple one I gotta pull up the text

Well, I've said to me texting me she was like our daughter said Pooh is a bad word and I was like and and my wife said back to her like it's not a bad word It's a potty word. Yeah and She told me that like she had said that and I was like, it's not a bad word, it's a potty word. Yeah. And she told me that, like, she had said that, and I was like, oh, that's probably because I do swear around the kids, like, I'm bad with that. I talk how I talk.

And I was like, she probably just thinks the bad word, she's not actually talking about actual, like, poop. And then when my wife tried to correct her, my daughter said, no, I'm talking about poops the thing things daddy does for a really long time That's good. So she was definitely talking about poops and it's just like yeah She's like the thing daddy goes and does for a really long time. I've oh I've wondered that about people that have like three kids How do you shit it? I don't cuz There's only one parent and then there's three kids.

Yeah and they don't respect any type of like I'll do the shower, I'll turn on the shower and hope that like they know showers on they'll still walk in. Yeah. Parents just don't have time to shit. No it's bad but she's just it's I actually kind of feel like this is like my first like I'm feel like a masculine dad because I feel like that's a very big dad move for the all the kids in the house to be like yeah dad goes and takes long shits. Yeah, you should do that in front of your son So then your son's like my dad has bigger poops than your dad. Yeah, you can get one up on that guy Yeah, Oh their rival big that would be but that is like a real sense of like being a man Yeah, been like I'm going to the shitter. I'll be back in three hours. I mean

Taking a shit is one of life's little pleasures, where you get some time to think, scroll whatever website you're scrolling, maybe play a game while you're on there. Hang out. No, yeah, it's like, that's what guys do for meditation. Yeah. We just go take a shit. Yeah. I actually kind of want to put a couch in my bathroom.

That'd be nice. Yeah. Just lay down for a little bit. TV. Appreciate. Appreciate. A bed. It wouldn't be bad. Yeah, just lay down for a little bit TV pre-sh Pre-shit a bed. It wouldn't be bad get a bed in there a kitchen a Kitchen would be nice an airfryer. Yeah, yeah, I have it all there in the bathroom That would be nice. Yeah, my bathrooms a mess, too

It's just like I don't know how do you guys have the just there's like splotches on the on the mirror all the time? I think it's just cuz I wash my face when you wipe it off. Yeah when you wipe the mirror off It's a problem. Yeah, and mirrors never get clean. No, no, it's a big-time problem. Okay, let's finish off the show numbers 28 56 Max and I are dancing. Yeah one one time it's gonna happen three 77 Shane's in here Shane we talked about Jim Harbaugh's we put on the headphones to

Shane give the headphones Shane Shane we talked about we talked about Jim Harbaugh's quote yeah and I saw the facility the new facility looks awesome the bolt. Yeah, it looks incredible. Yeah Are your number? 21 pug 99 pug what was what were your numbers Huey and PFT? 77 I know your number means you've never gotten it 90 90 Take on me, take me on

I'll be gone, you don't want you So you need less to say, I'm all set in But I feel so a little weak, so a little fine So can you say up to me, it's for better to So I'll take on all you got You got to be Release your anger, release your mind Release your charm, release the tide Release your dream, release the stress

Release your love, forget the rest Cooking away, cooking away I'm cooking away, I'm cooking away I'm cooking away, I'm cooking away I'm cooking away, I'm cooking away I'm cooking away, I'm out.