Pardon My Take - Jerry Rice, Russ Wilson MVP + Guys on Chicks

Episode Date: November 13, 2019

Russ Wilson MVP tour continues and the NFC race is heating up. Was the MNF crew too mean to the Niners kicker. Pete Carroll twin update (2:17 - 12:15). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including Hank's fantasy lost and Jeffery Epstein conspiracies going too far (12:15 - 67:43). Hall of Famer Jerry Rice joins the show to talk about his career, his insane training, catching bricks, chasing horses, and how fantasy would have changed how people viewed him. Segments include way to stay relevant baseball for the Astros cheating, trouble in paradise skip bayless and guys on chicks.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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Welcome to part of my take presented by the Cash App. Go download it right now, use code barstool, you get $10 off, sorry, $10 for free and $10 to ASPCA, that's using code barstool. Today is Wednesday, November 13th. The 49ers have lost, popped those champagne bottles, Mercury Morris. I feel like we don't even do that anymore. Now the boomer's not on every single night. I haven't heard from Mercury and he's usually reliable as a clock. Like this is when Mercury shows up to get his one week of shine every single year. I'm actually disappointed. What would he have done if there was a tie? I don't know. Chugged a room temperature, natty light. I was hoping we were going to get a tie. We're getting close to a tie on Monday night. It was a great

game though. Russell Wilson, the MVP now, forefront of the MVP race. Even though he threw that interception in overtime, the people were just forgetting and also played hot potato with the ball and gave it to his lineman in the worst. That was so bad how he just sold out his lineman, just handing him the ball to let it get stripped. Did he hand it to him or was he getting stripped and then it just bounced directly into his hand? I think he gave it to him. I was like, here, you take this. I think, I mean, the biggest story of the night, I thought was Jadavion Clowney. Clowney was lighting people up. Hey, shit and sharp. Joclowney on Clowney. Yes. If you're looking for a nickname for him. So much so that DeSean Watson was tweeting about

how much he loved them. And misses him. Yes, and misses him. But yeah, no, you're right. Jadavion Clowney. That was like his coming out game as a Seahawk and it was a fantastic game. It feels like the NFC West is going to be a race. They play one more time in Seattle. It's going to be a fun race down the stretch. I think you walked away from that game, having questions about the 49ers offense, not the run. I mean, they can run on anyone. The Jimmy Garoppolo, like big moments, that end of the game. He was just looking to throw an interception to someone all the fourth quarter all of over time. He was, I think they had what, like two interceptions that were dropped. Yep. A couple of other balls that maybe could have been intercepted. They were missing George

Kittle though. Yeah. Greg Kittle was not in there. They kept on showing him going crazy in the, in the, in the box. So that is a big loss because he's probably the best tight end in the NFL. But this was like the game that the 49ers are undefeated. Everyone's wondering if they're for real and they are, but they have actually a pretty tough schedule going down the stretch. Well, the entire NFC West does. So not only the Niners, the Seahawks do end the Rams, they all play like a shitload of really, really good teams. So my biggest question, the other big question coming out of it, are we mad at Joe Tessitore for being mean to a kicker? Was the moment too big for Joe Tessitore? The moment was too big. He said, so McLaughlin,

I think I'm saying his name correctly. Shane. Shane. It's actually Chase, but he's basically a Shane. Somehow the 49ers treated this, but somehow the 49ers have two kickers better than the Bears kickers. One being an X bear and the other being in a line. I, but I digress. And so he makes a huge kick to take them into overtime, like a 50 yarder. Then he misses the one to win in overtime. And Joe Tessitore goes, the moment was too big for him after the moment had just been perfectly fine. It's just kickers miss. And so people got mad at Joe Tessitore. I actually think I'm, I'm down with Joe Tessitore saying that because it was so dramatic being like the moment is too big. It's like it's a Monday night game and both these teams are probably going to the

playoffs. Yeah, they'll be fine in the long run. The Seahawks are very, very good. The Niners are also very, very good. I thought that in overtime, Kyle Shanahan's play calling was very interesting. So the Niners get the ball back after that interception. They had an opportunity to, I mean, they could have knelt it out and walked away with a tie. It would be very easy, but they threw the ball three straight times, I believe. Clock stops. Seahawks get the ball back. Seahawks come back and win the game. This is actually a battle of the two coaches that have lost Superbowls because they passed when they should have run. Right. And it almost happened to both of them. Right. Pete Carroll called that play, got an interception. Kyle Shanahan called a bunch of

pass plays when he could have run the clock out and then ended up losing. So which team has learned less? Which coach has learned less from their defeat at the hands of the Patriots? How about Russell Wilson saying it was the craziest game he's ever played in? Yeah, that's kind of weird. The Seahawks just play in these weird games, but he's played in Superbowls. He, I mean, he, the, the Oregon Rose Bowl that he played in was the most points ever in a first quarter in a Rose Bowl. It was insane. Like he's played in some crazy games. I'm not saying that this is the Rose Bowl or I'm not saying this, the Rose Bowl was bigger than this, but he has played in a lot of crazy games. So that's kind of a weird thing for him to say. But yeah, he's

Russell Wilson. I think I said this a couple of weeks ago, but he is for my money, the number one guy. And I know it kind of spits in the face of the fact that he threw an interception. He is the one guy who I would want trust the most with the ball down late in the fourth quarter. It was good interception though. So it pinned him deep in theory if they had made the tackle. Yeah, it would have been a great arm punch. I agree. Yeah. I mean, even when he makes a bad throw, it was the right throw to make at the time. It was only his second interception all year. His guy was open on it. He threw an interception that happens from time to time. Russell Wilson is fucking ridiculous. And I would be terrified to be rooting against him

at the end of the game running, passing, whatever it is. He is the guy who can make the most happen late in the game. And it just feels like I don't know what it is, but there are certain levels that athletes get to where when the Seahawks are in third and long or fourth and long, I'm just like, yeah, they'll get it. And when they're in third and short, I'm like, Russell Wilson probably throw a 50 yard touchdown here. Like just to fuck everyone up. I also thought that I just expect that. I thought Pete Carroll was going to go for it when it was fourth and two at midfield. That was going to be a touchdown. Yeah. And instead they punted the ball away. I love Monday Night Football. I love overtime. What are you going to say? But I hate how over times make you

just continue snacking. So if you're sitting down watching the game, you have your Buffalo wings, you have your pizza, whatever. As the game goes longer, it goes to overtime. Buffalo wings and pizza on a Monday night. I'm saying in theory, if you were to do this, I was going to say that's an aggressive Monday night. I had two popsicles and then I had, but the bottom line is overtime starts, you have to go to another snack. You have to bring out your overtime chips, your overtime guac. I brought out my overtime like it was like jalapeno crackers or whatever they were. It makes you snack more and you have to open another beer during overtime and overtime beer drinking beers last night. I had a beer, but overtime beers, they make your hangover. It's like a force multiplier

and overtime beer makes your hangover the next day. One point five times worse than a beer drinking regulations. Snacks and beer are bad. I'm more confused. Yeah, when it's really late, I'm more confused that your Monday night, like Monday night is for watching football and cleaning up your life, not drinking, not eating. What planet are you? Yeah, Monday Night Football is the night you get your act together. You're sitting at home watching Monday Night Football with beers and wings. That's the cleanup game, brother. That's a Tuesday. Thursday is the go crazy game like food, beer, whatever you want. Saturdays also go crazy. Sunday is just go crazy eating. Monday is clean up your whole life. Incorrect. Monday night is ease yourself back into the work week, taper

off from your Sunday and your Saturday. How many beers do you have? I think it depends on the quality of the game that's on. Like last night was a situation where it's like an easier way to the week. You're doing that for like Dolphin Steelers. You have to drink more for Dolphin Steelers. Is that what you're saying? No. I would agree with that. Oblows, whatever. The reason why I love Monday Night Football is it's the it's when it's like there's one soul game and you're like no distraction. Just sit and be with football and like say goodbye to football for three days. I look at the action. Obviously, action tonight. I look at the schedule the opposite of Hank. If I see a game that's like the Steelers and the Jets or the Dolphins and the Jets on Monday night, I'm like

how many beers would that take? Probably like seven. It would take seven for me. We need a PMT poll. How many people are drinking at home on a Monday night? I don't think it's I feel like it's I feel like it's the sobriety game. It's the time to clean up your life. If your team's not playing, as long as your team's not playing, if your team's playing, then it's all better off. I'm not saying I get drunk every Monday night football game. I'm saying that I'll have a couple beers, a couple cold ones. I would say 45%. And then in overtime, it's like midnight and you're still drinking. Well, just went over it. That's what I'm saying. When overtime hits, it's midnight. This seems like a personal problem. No, you're so excited. You got to pop another beer to get ready for over.

It's one overtime beer. That's I think that's the general standard. This one almost went the whole overtime. I think it did. Yeah, it was almost a tie. It was very, very close to being a tie. I had another thing flagged here. Robert Salah, the defensive coordinator, a lot of FaceTime of the 49ers. He's going to be a head coach, not because he's necessarily great at defensive coordinating, but because he has a hold back guy. And anytime your defensive coordinator has a hold back guy, you look at that and you say he will be a head coach one day. Yeah. And he's got when you start getting the FaceTime, when they start showing the coordinators instead of the head coaches, that guy is ready to go. And I would I would argue that the name Salah, because of most

Salah, a little talking soccer has never been higher. That's true. So you just kind of associate that with winning right now. I agree. Who's who's Steve Belichick's hold back guy? Does he have one yet? Probably Belima. Well, Belima is like whole. Belima just naturally boxes people out this side. He holds the entire sideline. Yeah, he just he's constantly boxing people out without even trying to. Did you see what Matthew McConaughey noted football analyst said after the game? No, but tell me he said you give Pete Carroll a glass of water. He turns it into a lake and goes skiing on it. Whoa. Damn. Is that a high thought from McConaughey or is that just I think is there anything else being Matthew McConaughey is a drug in itself. It's just like it makes you

want to compare whatever it is you're watching to an outdoor shirtless activity. His brain is just high all the time. It makes everyone else contact. I actually had a friend who was at the game and he sent me a picture back of a head, but it kind of looked like Pete Carroll's twin. Okay. Yeah. So we're still on the case. So the plot thickens. It was it was the back of someone's head that looked very like the very much like the back of Pete Carroll said we found a guy that if you were having sex with doggy style, you would have been like this could convince yourself that you were engaging in coitus with Pete Carroll versus cowgirl Pete Carroll. That's who it was. Okay. All right. Should we do hot seat cool throne? Hank, you want to start? Sure. My hot seat is

shorts. Okay. It's getting cold. It was first snowfall today. Bitch. It's just the miserable part of the year. So, you know, shorts are kind of on the hot seat. Put them away for this. Except for fat guys. Fat guys always wear shorts. That's aggressive though. I don't I don't but that's if you are a fat guy, you can you can get away with shorts because everyone just looks at you like what's going on. But it makes sense for some reason, like way back when fat guys just decided, hey, we're going to wear shorts in the winter. It's a cruel trick that nature plays on us that right after squattober is over, you can't show off your gains. It also means though that Christmas is coming. We have new Christmas sweaters on sale. 20% off only today only. Get your merch there.

You have some we have like five new designs, some great stuff. We should make shorts. We should make part of my take shorts. I've been saying for the last four years that that those cheerleader shorts that have the writing across the back, the Sophie shorts or whatever they're called, those are coming back eventually. So we're doing that just as PMT across the ass. Those in umbrose are maybe with a built in poop stain. Like it's just like hey, you don't have to worry about it. I want up your part of it. We'll only sell them in brown that way. The entire thing is my cool throne is gender reveals. Okay. Oh, I saw that video. I was thinking maybe it was on the hot seat. There was also a news story last week with that a plane crash happened because of a

gender reveal. I don't know exactly how normal correlated, but it was like playing crash resulted was a result of a gender reveal gone wrong. There was the girl farting today. Did you see that one PFT? Yeah, I saw that the dust coming out of people running through brick walls. And so it the girl farting. It's got the people being like, Oh, like gender reveals have gone too far. But that's really when the heat starts and people are going to pick it up even more. Well, I mean, yeah, a plane crashed. Maybe is that one the story you're talking about? Yeah, but I'm saying some some celebrities and stuff are like being like, Oh, I remember my day, like back in the day, you feel Nixon Saturdays, like you just sent an email being like, it's a boy.

Back in his day, you sent an email and Phil's day. No way. The early 90s. Yeah, he's his emails been tracked by the FBI. Yeah, he's sent a wire. In my day, we used to send a coded wire to our stock agent. My day when Bill, when Billy Walters, Walters, Billy, yeah, I think that's his name. Billy Walters, the guy, the guy who's in jail because of the gambling. Oh, because of Phil. Yeah, he probably what's it? What's it called though? Like the Martha, Martha Stewart syndrome or insider trading? No, like when they they're talking about it so much, trying to like get it to stop that it's just going to make it happen. Oh, yeah. The, the gender reveals. I have, I have a theory that we're going to reach a point in society in probably 15 years where this whole

wave of gender reveals is going to come back to bite everyone in the ass because all you see, the Gordon Hayward is a perfect example. All you see is like, dad's being like, shit, it's a girl. And then when these like, you know, women or even men, if it's a reverse, if the mom's crying because it's a boy, they grow up and they have the ability to go online and they see their video and they're like, Oh, so you didn't, you didn't want me. Yeah. You wanted me something else. Once, once cameos start to come in to turn with this with a gender, that's what they did. They probably hired Harrison Ford to fly that plane for their gender reveal. You get what you pay for. He hasn't crashed a plane in a while. It's been, yeah, he's over.

He's like the Yellowstone supervolcano. He's overdue to dive one. I just feel like there's going to be a time in the, in history here where people start finding their parents doing their stupid gender reveals and they realize like how much all this sucks. So it's happening. I also have a theory about, but they're not stopping. No, no, no, it's that. No, it's, you were, you were exactly right. It's going to go because people have to one up each other. I mean, when a, when a person farts out a gender reveal, the game done changed. We need more. Yeah. It's like cake farts. That was a beginning of a revolution. I really enjoyed the, I mean, farts in a reveal. That was funny. Oh, it was. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's jackass humor.

Like jackass is the greatest humor of all time when they, when they, when they fart baby powder on each other's faces. So fucking funny. And I'm not being sarcastic whatsoever. If jackass masterpieces, is that it Hank? Yes. All set. That was great. Thank you. My hot seat is the big 10. In football, because Greg Shiano, according to Leroy, is meeting tonight with Rutgers brass to talk serious, serious business when it comes to the contract there. I think as first reported by Leroy, the dog Greg Shiano will be Rutgers new head coach for football. So hot seat, everyone else in the big 10. Big 10 East is going to be hard to win for the job. Yeah. Roswell goes through Piscataway. That's absolutely true. My other hot seat is Freddie

kitchens because according to Saber metrics, he's going to be fired this week. We talked about it a little bit. Yes. On Monday's show, but I looked up the exact stat. Romeo Cornell, Eric Mangini, Pat Shermer, Rod Chudzinski and Mike Petten were all fired after their second Steelers game and Hugh Jackson. So we wait, this wouldn't be this week. That it'll be in three weeks when he plays the second. Yeah. Yeah. So he is officially on the hot seat. I looked it up. The Steelers are final destination for Browns coach. Correct. That's it. Once you play them the second time, you're done. I still can't believe that a guy named Rod Chudzinski ever had ever had a job, much less a head coaching job. Well, just for the Browns. That's a that's a name that screams

couchsurfing to me. My cool throne is the Dallas Cowboys because Troy Aikman. I just found this out today. I didn't know this was going on. He's been doing it for a while though. Troy Aikman has his own proprietary Aikman efficiency rating where he goes through whatever whatever formula it is and he ranks the entire league on offense defense and then combined on a scale out of God knows what. But the New England Patriots are number one. They're 178.2. Wow. On the Aikman benefit. That's pretty hard. That's high. You're in this. The Cowboys are third. So they're five and four. But they're the third best team in the entire NFL, according to Troy Aikman. And then the next closest team that's five and four is the Eagles at 11th. So the Cowboys jumped over

the Ravens. Well, if it's Vikings, the Seahawks, according to Troy Aikman, if it's coming from his brain, then these rankings make perfect. According to Troy Aikman, the Cowboys are really, really good and underrated as far as their record goes. Credit to him for not being biased. My other cool throne is the internet ruining things. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's the internet ruining things is on the cool throne again. We're not allowed to enjoy anything. We know that. There was a viral video of a beluga whale playing fetch with a rugby ball in the ocean. Did you see that? That's just sad. Yeah. So he died. No, no. So the whale was have it's worse than death. The whale was having a great time playing fetch with a rugby ball and bringing it up to the boat and then

they throw it again. He'd go get it. Swim it back. It turns out that this whale is known to Russian intelligence services. The whales name is Vladimir and it was a captive whale that escaped a Russian military training program and it's malnourished and injured. It's injured and it roams the seas seeking food and attention from people. So that's why it swims up to boats. Fuck because it's starving to death and it doesn't know how to interact with other whales because it was raised to be a fucking Russian spot. It's the saddest possible story you could think of. It's a fail whale. It's very sad. And I really enjoyed that video for a good 10 minutes before the internet ruined it for me. Yeah, everything's ruined. All right. Yeah. I mean that you can't watch anything on the internet and

be cool with it anymore. My hot seat. Well, here's another thing the internet has ruined. It's ruined all of our brains because I was telling you PFT before the show. But the newest Jeffrey Epstein theory out there. He's not dead. He's alive. And the Clintons used Hillary brother kill himself. No, he didn't kill himself because he's not dead. And then they use Hillary Clinton's brother's body who died six months ago as the body for Jeffrey Epstein, which they never did a DNA test. They just had Jeffrey Epstein's brother positively idea and then it moved along. So did Hillary Clinton also kill her brother? I don't know. I haven't gotten all the way deep in theory. Yes, let's say yes. This is this is the Jeffrey Epstein case is a real problem for people who have too much time

on their hands because we're going to keep going deep. I'm fascinated by it. And there's another billionaire suicide story out there that I wholeheartedly believe in the theory that Aubrey McClendon. You remember him? He was the CEO of Chesapeake Energy. He was also attached to Billy McFarland. He was in the fire. That's right. He's one of the investors there. He was the owner of the Thunder and he killed himself allegedly right before he was going to be sentenced for fraud by driving his SUV directly into the side of a bridge in Oklahoma City. No skid marks, nothing like he just drove into a bridge. I don't think he was in that. There was no one in there. It was Hillary Clinton's brother. It was another brother that he was framing and then they were going to

use that Hillary Clinton's brother has gotten a shitload of mileage out of his death. His body is very efficient for all of these. My other hot seat. Hank, you want to mention it? Mention what? Your fantasy team. Yeah, I lost this week. No one cares about my fantasy team, though. To who? I lost to you guys. Oh, yeah. I lost to the first team, first place team. We must have put everyone in the lineup, right? Nope. You had three players sitting and Cooper Cup had zero points. Oh, and we sat our three players on accident because we were clumsy and forgot to check. Or we're great coaches and we are player first and even if you have a buy, we think you should deserve. You should never lose your starting spot to a buy. Also, you know what? It's load

management. We were giving our players a little bit of a break and credit to us for being outstanding coaches. We're a next man up team. Would you say a fantasy football expert like yourself should lose to a team that has three buys and a player that scored zero points? I'd have to check, but I'm probably leaning. No. Okay. Okay. Interesting. Good way to lean. All right. My cool throne. I don't want to do this to myself, but I'm going to do it to myself. It's Mitch Trebisky because I read this story. Listen to me, Hank. First of all, listen to me. I'm in. I read this story. The Chicago Tribune is great in depth article about the draft in 2017. Why Ryan Pace fell in love with Mitch Trebisky, all the other teams, the Texans and the Chiefs,

their love. Everyone should go read it because it's a really good deep dive into just how like draft rooms work. But at the end, also Ryan Pace basically drafted Mitch Trebisky because he had a beat up car and he went to the Sun Bowl. That's pretty much it. Okay. Yeah. I do like those stories. Yeah. Yeah. So that was the troubling part where they're like, yeah, we, they went out to dinner with Mitch Trebisky and he was gregarious and engaging. And he told him about their beat up car that he drives around to keep him humble. He ordered his steak medium rare to correct temperatures. And then we took Pat Mahomes out and he put ketchup on his. So he drafted Mitch instead. Okay. So, and then, and then actually in the video, because they basically did the whole

timeline and they put in videos that the Bears had tweeted about like draft night. And in the video, Ryan Pace is like, Hey, Mitch, you know, the first call, like congratulations. And he's like, just do me one favor. Make sure you bring that car with you to Hallis Hall. It's like the car. Damn it. If this car, if this car didn't exist, everything changes. But that's why you draft a player from Alabama who always drives a Mercedes. Okay. But here we go. Here's what, here's where it gets interesting because I tweeted out that everyone should read this and someone responded to me said, tired of everyone bashing the Bears for the pick. Almost every team had Mitch as their top QB on the board. Watson was coming off a second ACL injury and Mahomes was seen as a very

raw prospect too. The only way the Bears get Watson or Mahomes is if they were lower in the draft by a second ACL injury. Do you also mean second NCAA championship? No, he only had one. He only had one. Yeah. He lost the first one. That's right. That's right. Who liked that tweet? Patrick Mahomes. Okay. So Patrick Mahomes is basically letting Ryan Pace off the hook has confirmed we are good. Patrick Mahomes has acknowledged that it was not the right choice for him to be drafted by the Bears and go to Chicago and get ruined. That's the little things. Okay. At the end of basically the whole end of the article was like somewhere Mitch has it in him. Like it's deep in there. He's just got to find it. And I just read it was like standing clap. We got this. What's

going to happen in retrospect? It was the correct decision to draft, bitch. What happened after that? It's a material change. John Fox happened material change. That was the other part that's so fucking stupid and so dysfunctional like organization. Shit. The Bears didn't want to fire John Fox and pay a coach to walk away and they didn't want to fire a coach after two years because they just fired Mark Trussman after two years. So they kept John Fox and then in the whole story, John Fox was like in love with the Sean Watson and Ryan Pace just basically kept him out of the loop because he knew he was going to fire John Fox right after the next year. So what kind of car was Mike Linnon driving that made them want to sign him for a show? Probably convertible.

The only car that he can stick his head out of the top without bumping the head of it. Jesus Christ. It was tough to read, but it ended well in Patrick Mahomes has led us off the hook. So he saw it, but everyone should read it because it actually is fascinating to see like the story about Brett Beach, who in like the worst twist of fate is Matt Nagy's best friend from college. He is a scout for the Chiefs and he found Patrick Mahomes in like 2015 and was basically obsessed with him ever since and basically, uh, incepted the entire Chiefs organization that they had to draft Patrick Mahomes. So he found him when he was the only scout in the country that was like, holy shit, this kid is throwing for 400 yards a game. No, no, he was, no, he, no, his Patrick Mahomes was not

like that is his first couple of years of Texas Tech. And I mean, Patrick Mahomes, the revisited history here is that Patrick Mahomes, well, really, really good at Texas Tech was on a not a great team and he was raw. Like he made a lot of money. He threw a lot of interceptions. I think the one thing that you can probably point to and take some solace in is at the time Patrick Mahomes had the stink of a Texas Tech quarterback where it's like, these guys don't translate to the next level. It's still a terrible call. Like six guys named Graham that scouts salivate over because they didn't need to grip the laces and throw a pass. At the end of the day, it's still a terrible, terrible call because essentially this was a

in depth article two and a half years after the draft being like, how could the bears get this wrong? So really the, well, it took them two years to compile all the reasons why they got it wrong. They showed the picture of Patrick Mahomes and Sean Watson and Mitch Rabisky at the Pro Bowl because Mitch made it as like a fifth alternate. And then that's the Andy Dalton slot. Okay. Let's get to our interview with Jerry Rice. Before we do that, a quick word from our friends of Velveeta. Nothing melts like Velveeta. Only Velveeta delivers extra creamy cheesiness, especially perfect for your tailgate or game day party making those dishes. You are already making even better by using Velveeta. PFT. You love Velveeta. I love that cheese. You love the

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switching to Brave. Brave yesterday was about big tech. Today is about us. So check out Brave right now. Okay, here he is. The goat, Jerry Rice. Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is the goat. It is Jerry Rice. His new book called America's Game, the NFL at 100. We're in the presence of greatness. Do people call you the goat everywhere you go? No, no. But there's goats in all different professions. You guys are goats on what you do. Appreciate that. Yeah, it could be a nurse, it could be a doctor, it could be Beyonce, it could be Serena Williams, and the list just goes on and on. But you are the goat. Yeah, so goat to goat, you would say that's fair to call yourself the goat wide receiver, right?

It's okay for people to call me the goat, but I would never say I'm the goat. Okay. So even though I have a goat tattoo on my arm, I'll put it this way, besides you, who is the best wide receiver that you've ever seen play? Oh my God, I had a lot of guys before me. Lance Juan, Drew Pearson, Dwight Clark, Freddie Solomon, and the list just goes on and on and on. And the guy that's probably playing today, the guy I really like today is like Julio Jones, Larry Fitzgerald, and A.B., he was my man too. Yeah, so you talked about A.B. leaving the Steelers. I think you said he was just sick of Tomlin and Ropsysperger. Since that, it looks like he's been sick of everyone and had trouble everywhere. Do you think he plays again? I don't know. I had to

be honest with you because he got in touch with me and I thought he wanted to be a niner. Then he went to the Raiders and all of a sudden things went south with the Raiders and then he went to the Patriots. Now he's out of football, so I really don't know. So I saw a comment, I think maybe last year that you made that basically was like you could still come back and play. Oh yeah, I still got about 80 catches in me. So if the 49ers, let's say a couple injuries, they don't need me. You really do think that? We always joke about it because Barry Sanders retired when he still had a lot of gas in the tank and my dad used to always say like, oh, Barry Sanders out there somewhere for about 15 years after. Are we still in the Jerry Rice? Oh, he still could get out there.

I remember Barry Sanders back in the day and he put so many guys in the hospital because he could cut on a dime and what a great football player. But I think with the Niners right now, it's a whole different scheme of football with the run-pass option. It's not like the old days. And I remember days where if the ball was being thrown to the right side, I was getting hit on the back side. Now they protect players just a little bit more. Yeah, are you a little bit jealous of the players put up the numbers that they do these days? No, no. I think I played in an era where I would not go back and change anything. I had great teammates and with Joe Montana and had Ronnie Lott, the greatest coach with Bill Walsh. And no,

I would not change anything. And I know the ball is being thrown in the air more now, but I played in an era where I think when those helmet collided on Monday Night Football, you knew it was time for those gladiators to come out there and play. You mentioned Ronnie Lott, gladiator, when he cut his own finger off. Yeah, that's serious. They told me that story, man. And I was like, wow, did he actually do that for real? For real? Did you ever ask him about it? He did. He did. He didn't want to miss any time. So he decided to tell them to just, you know, nip the edge. And he did. Would you have done the same thing? Well, your hands are used a little differently than a defensive player. Without any hesitation, no. Okay, there you go.

What about a toe? No, no, no. Really? I was looking at the toe. But let me tell you guys this. I think because I played for over 20 years, the pain tolerance, and you're not always going to be able to play when you're healthy, but you still got to be able to perform at a certain level. So I was able to whatever I could block that out. You know, if I had a separated shoulder or whatever, I could block that out and still play. Okay, so that brings up something that I wanted to mention. 1997. You tear your ACL week one. Yeah. You played week 16. Yeah. That was stupid. That was stupid. How is that possible? This is before ACL surgeries have become, you know, what they are today in guys timelines, only nine months, 12 months. You played in the same season

when you tore your ACL. The reason why I played is because they were going to retire Joe Montana Jersey on that night and I wanted to be a part of that. That's what I respect to him. So I rehab like crazy and everything was working, you know, properly. I was being explosive. I could come out of my cuts. I could do everything. But when you have an injury like that, the knee doesn't heal completely. It was no way I should have played in that game, but I played in it and I was right back in surgery the next day. You did another surgery. Yeah. Because I cracked my patella. Jesus. Goddamn. Did you re-tear the ACL at the same time? No, no, no. But it just cracked my patella. So they went in there and put some screws in, did all that. Does Joe know that you

did this for him? Yeah, I told him. Okay. So he owes me big time. Yeah. Yeah, you know, out of respect though. It was just a respect thing. That's all. I looked at it and I was just, because I saw the whole Warren Sapp and you were upset that Warren Sapp never called you to apologize. You bring it back a lot of bad memories. Well, then I looked at the game log and I was like, wait, he played in week 16? How does this make sense? Yeah. So, you know, it's just hard work, man. And throughout my career to play professional football for 20 years, you have to sacrifice a lot. Yeah. And I love the game the way I conditioned myself and I always wanted to, you know, put something out there special for the fans. Well, let's talk about that because your conditioning

and your work ethic are stuff of legend. Everyone knows about the bricks. So you would catch bricks. Your dad was a bricklayer and would throw you bricks when you were a kid. Can you tell that? No, I had a brother that, you know, that would throw me bricks and I would be up on the scaffold that was about 20 foot in the air and the bricks were separate and I would snatch them out of the air and there's this myth about me catching bricks, you know, helped me to catch football, but it's totally different. You know, to catch a football, you got to be able to catch the ball with your hands and you got to be able to give with the ball. And if, you know, with the bricks, if you catch the bricks and you give with the bricks, you're going to come tumbling down.

You're going to get bricked. Yeah, you're going to get bricked. So, but, you know, I think it was just my father taught me about work ethic, you know, loving what you do and always giving 100%. Okay, what about chasing Pete the horse? Pete was my horse, man. I'm telling you, Pete was the fastest horse in the neighborhood and Pete had muscles and he was just like, you know, I'm like, okay, you want some of me? I knew Pete could outrun everybody in the neighborhood and stuff like that. It only took me maybe about maybe two hours to chase Pete down because he was in this big, you know, this big pasture and stuff like that. And he was not the type of horse you could just walk up to and grab. Okay, so this is rural Mississippi because it's

a very funny saying to be like, Pete was the fastest horse in the neighborhood, like, which obviously implies there's many horses in the neighborhood. It's just like the Kentucky Derby. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? If Pete was in the Kentucky Derby, he would win. Really? Yes. Pete the horse. Did you work your way up to Pete with another horse? Maybe a lesser horse? No, no, no, no, no. We had to run the horses down. So that took like about 45 minutes to an hour. But hey, the incentive is if you run the horse down, then you got the horse for the rest of the day. Okay, you got to ride the best horse. Yeah, you got to ride the best horse. But when you release Pete, it's going to take the same thing the next time you get ready to ride.

So that was part of my conditioning. Yeah, right. Training for the NFL by chasing Pete the horse. Yeah, sort of similar to like, you know, forest gump, just a little bit. I would just run, man. Did that help you more with your endurance or did that help you be able to cut? What did running after Pete really help you with? You know, I think it was more about my endurance. Yeah. That's it because the first quarter and the fourth quarter, I want them to look the same way. A lot of guys doing the fourth quarter, they're tired. So, you know, defensive backs, they would look at me and I'm bouncing around, jumping around. They're looking at me like I'm crazy because I still have more football and I was always at my best in the fourth quarter. Closing speed. Well, yeah,

closing speed on Pete the horse. Yeah, go ahead. I was going to say, was there anybody that you played against a defender that you knew was kind of your peer that was able to shut you down or were you always... What do you mean shut me down? Was there a guy... What are you talking about? Yeah, so there was no one going to shut me down. Who was the one guy that like, was it Dionne? I had Dionne Sanders and I had Daryl Green, two of the fastest guys in the NFL. And Dionne, when he first came into the league, he was just known for his speed, but then he worked on his craft. And so, it was one of those things where you had respect for, but you knew that you had to go out and somehow you had to defeat this person. And those are battles that you look forward to,

challenges, and it brings out the best in you. So, you were kind of joking with PFT there, but not really, because I feel like you're competitive. You have an all time... No, but you have a hall of fame competitive streak. Do you not? Oh, yeah, you got to have that. But I'm talking about... I read a story where you... So, every day in the offseason, six days a week, two times a day was the training. Can you walk us through that training? Yeah, but you guys are number one in what you do, right? Yeah. What does that take? A lot of... Just not late nights. That's right. Smelling salts. That's right. Yeah. But you're completely... So, I'm Jerry Rice. Yeah, you're involved in what you're doing,

and you love what you're doing. Right. So, it was the same thing for me. You loved... So, to walk us through an average day of offseason workout, because this is also in a time when I would assume most guys aren't training the way they train. Like now, guys train all year around, and they really commit themselves. No, no, no, they do not. They train less now. Okay. Because, you know, the equipment that they have and stuff like that, they got all this other stuff going on with social media and endorsements and all that stuff. That was something I stayed away from. Okay. A typical day for me during the offseason, I would take two weeks off, right, after the season, go right back into my training. So, I wanted to go back into running the hill.

I had this infamous hill that I would run. It's about two and a half miles up, and then you had to run down. Which mountain? We ran it for time. The last 800 meters straight uphill, and that would challenge anyone that would make players throw up. But I was conditioned to myself, getting myself ready for the next year. So, you do that in the morning, run up the hill? So, I do that. Then I'm at the gym probably around about 11, and I lift till about one o'clock. Then I have the rest of the day to do whatever I wanted to do. So, you don't think that players these days could hang with you? I think players, they thought I was crazy, and they don't have to do that anymore.

They've got the equipment has become too advanced, that sort of thing? Well, it's a lot different now. I think guys, maybe that's not right for me to say, they just don't commit to their craft, like we did back in the day. Was there anyone on the 49ers who not outworked you, but worked as hard as you? Roger Craig really introduced me to the hill. But the rest of the teammates, my teammates, they thought we were crazy. Do you still run up the hill? I can still run the hill.

That hill, do you? Yeah, I have done it before. Okay. Yeah. Did you ever bring anybody to work out with you? And they're like, yeah, I want to do what Jared does. Barriss Sanders and all those guys, Barriss Sanders, and they thought, they like, okay, we see why you in such great shape.

Uh-huh. We don't want to do this. But you guys, you got to think about this too. I've played for over 20 years. The lifespan of a football player is about four years. And back when we played the game, because you were getting hit, even if the ball was not coming your way. Right. So that brings up something that also I wanted to talk about. So there was a news story a couple of weeks ago about Tom Brady possibly

moving on from the Patriots in the off season, which I think we all agreed is kind of bogus. But it's something you talk about in the middle of the season. You had such an incredible career with the 49ers, but at the end of your career, you moved on to different teams. Do you have regrets that you weren't able to just stick around with the 49ers? No, I still wanted to play. Yeah. And I still felt like I had more to offer.

When I went to the Raiders and I went in there and put that uniform on, and I pretty much announced that I, you know what? I looked pretty good in this silver and black. It looked really good on me. And I had some success there. I think that year when I got let go by the Niners, I went back to the Pro Bowl, did all that. Had the opportunity to go back to the Super Bowl, but we got beat by Temple Bay.

Because I really wanted to bring a Super Bowl to Tim Brown and Rich Ganon and all those guys, but it didn't happen. But no, I have no regrets. Then I went on to Seattle for a little bit, then I was in Denver for a second, and that was the end of it. Yeah. Did that look weird to you when you put on the Seahawks uniform for the first time? Because you looked, I always thought you looked great in the silver and black.

That was like, okay, that's Jerry Rice, but when I saw you put on the Seahawks uniform, it was like, that is, that's just weird to me. It was a little different, but you know, also when I went in, it was no way I was going to touch Steve Largent's number. I was prepared to get another number. I was probably going to go back to my collegiate number, 88. But when I went in, I met with Steve Largent and he said, hey, you know, I want you to wear 80.

And I'm like, the way, the respect that I had for that man, it was no way I was going to say no to him. And that's the reason why I wore 80. The ultimate respect, number respect is like different level of respect. I have a theory. Okay, so you are, you are the goat in my mind. But I think with athletes, the problem is as time passes, people forget the goats of past years, right?

They move on to the next thing. We see it all the time in basketball. We see it in football. I think that your legacy is hurt by the fact that people weren't playing fantasy football. That fantasy football, man. But seriously, hold on. Hold on. I'm going to explain it.

When you have guys who put up incredible statistical game seasons, there is a like the kinship between fans outside of your, the team you play for that is bigger than that. Like I could remember when Lydani and Tomlinson won me a league. Like I will always remember that. So I think we need to set up a Twitter account or have someone do it and be like this, this week in Jerry Rice, if you had him on your fantasy team, basically like a time portal.

So I threw up because listen, I looked it up. Like for instance, you would tweet when week five happens, we'd be like, if you had Jerry Rice on your fantasy team week five 1990, he had 13 catches, 225 yards and five touchdowns. That's pretty good. In one week. How many, how many points is that standard score? Are you serious?

Yes. That's what you had in that game. That was against the Atlanta Falcons. Yes. It was at Atlanta. Yeah. Well, they had dimmery. I think he was the defensive back and they kept trying to play me one-on-one. I like you.

I like you. Like, are you serious? No, I'm like, are you serious? Yes. See, even you're impressed by Jerry Rice's stats. I actually looked that game up and it was dimmery. You had five touchdowns and they put them on you one-on-one. One-on-one.

Deion Sanders was the other quarterback and they told him, no, you stay on that side of the field. Yeah. I'm like, okay, all right. Yeah. So you're going to follow the Jerry Rice time portal. So week 11, 1993, eight catches, 172 yards, four touchdowns. Like that's, if you treat that out like if you had Jerry Rice on your fantasy team this week,

you would have won. Wow. That's crazy, man. And we get basically to people realize how special you were and the numbers you put up because I think that gets lost. I think I'm all surprised to be honest with you. You're surprised by your own stats? Yeah, because I never kept up with my stats.

Yeah, that's a lie. Week 12, 1994, 16 catches, 165 yards, three touchdowns. Whew. Oh, say that. Hope you didn't put them on your bench that week. One more time. 16 catches, 165 yards, three touchdowns. Sheesh.

That is crazy. Yeah. So even Jerry Rice is impressed by Jerry Rice's stats. Yeah. I'm serious. So someone's going to start that for us because we have a million people who listen to this, not to brag, but someone will start that and run it and be like, this week in Jerry Rice history. Uh-huh.

I'm also very impressed by, like I've always looked back at your career and kind of admired the fact that you came into the league and the knock against you was you might not be that fast. You might not be fast. In fact, Aaron Donald ran a faster 40 time than you did. Right. And he's, you know, 280, 290 pounds, big guy. But when you got on the field and we put the pads on, either you got a lot faster or everybody else that was fast without pads got a lot slower.

Which one do you think it was? I got a lot faster because I knew people, they were trying to hurt me. And when someone is trying to hurt you, you have to tend to see to run a little bit faster. Yeah. So whenever I got out in front of someone and, uh, and I was like, that's the way I, I used to really think. And that gave me that little extra boost that I needed to, uh, get into the end zone. But yeah, that's the way I looked at it.

Four, six, 40. I'm starting to think that Pete the horse wouldn't have won the conductivity. But let me ask you, I'm going to tell you this, probably doing a football game, I was running four twos. Four twos? Yeah. Because you were scared. Yeah, because I was scared.

And I used that. I used that to my advantage. Yeah. Now, if you lined me up just to run a straight 40, I'm not going to run a good time. Yeah. Yeah. But you need someone chasing you. Or you need to chase Pete the horse.

Yeah, exactly. So you're, we're no doubter hallfamer, but do you think what, when you look at someone who is up for the hall of fame, do you think postseason success and those big moments should play a big factor? Exactly. Exactly. Because I felt like you go back in, you look at my postseason, I was always at my best. You know, you go back during the season, uh, like during the season, you look at

Sunday night football, Monday night football. I was always at my best. You, so you have to be able to perform at a certain level when everything is on the line. What was your favorite Super Bowl? I like them all. Give me your charges. I'm serious. Give me your favorite.

From Super Bowl 23, you know, the final drive from Super Bowl 24 against the Broncos, where we beat them 55, I think 55. Put a 50 burger on them. Yeah. Being Super Bowl 29, I think they all brought something special, but it's like they meant something to me because I was always nervous. Yeah. You hear, you know, you hear people say, oh, it's just another game.

No, it's not. It's a Super Bowl. And, and if you don't win, uh, you know, no one, no, no one is going to remember the loser. Right. So it's always at my guys. I'm going to tell you my, my first Super Bowl, I remember playing that game over and over the night before because we always put the first 15 plays in. Yeah.

So I knew exactly the opportunities that I would have doing a game. So I'm up playing this game all night long. I wake up the next day, then, you know, I can't eat. I never eat on game day, you know, because I got, you know, I got these butterflies going on. I'm nervous and stuff like that. And the Super Bowl is not till later on that evening. So I go to the stadium, which I always go on the first bus.

This is the Silverdome, right? Yeah. It was in Miami. Oh, Miami. Yeah. So I go to, I go to, uh, on the first bus, go to the stadium, put my uniform on, decided to relax on this table, fell asleep, fell asleep. And I could hear my teammates as they walked by like, what is going on with him?

This is Super Bowl. And he's just, you know, uh, you know, he's, he's sleeping. He's taken nap, but I had prepared. I knew exactly what I wanted to do. Now I just had to carry that to the football field. So speaking of guys that have had a lot of postseason success and talking about what that means for their legacy, a lot of people recently have been talking about Julian Edelman. Yeah.

And the possibility that he might be a Hall of Fame because of what he's done in the postseason. At Julian Edelman also, he took your daughter to prom, right? Yeah. Yeah. Did you have any words with Julian before that? Of course I did. Hey, you, I just can't share it with you guys. Yeah.

You know, I just can't say it over the air and stuff like that. No, no, but you know, with, uh, the element, what, what he's doing for the offense, but he's just like, he's just a tough guy. Look at, you know, like last night that catch he made and he just, uh, threw his body in the air and stuff like that. Yeah. You know, to, uh, you know, get positive yards. But I think eventually they have to start looking at those, uh, those smaller guys,

you know, what they do, the ball is not, I don't think ever going to get thrown down, feels deep as it used to be in the past. It's all about those little short passes and, and being able to do something with the ball. Speaking of which, you, you have so many records, but I feel like the, if you're a quarterback or a wide receiver in the NFL, your record is going to get broken because of the way the league is moving. It's a passing league. Right.

So are you, uh, when a record gets broken, although you're still, I, it's going to be very hard for someone to break your receiving yards record, I would assume. Well, well, how far away is Larry? He's, I think, I still think he's got ways to go. I think about 400 or something. Yeah. So that's, I don't know if he's got that, but are you, well, I know exactly, I know exactly where he's at.

I know he got to be somewhere close. Right. So do you get, when you lose a record, how does that like, are you mad? Are you happy? No, no, no, I'll be the first one to congratulate you. Okay. You know, because I didn't, I didn't play it for the records. Larry Fitzgill.

He's 6,000 yards behind you. Oh, you got this. So actually you're, you're receiving record all time. It was probably untouchable. I swear. It is. It is. Okay.

Like the touch sounds and like everything. Yeah. He's behind you. There's, there's Larry and he's, he's probably got maybe one year left in him, if that, uh, Terrell Owens. But reception wise, how many is he? He has 200, he has about 200 to go. By 200 or something.

So he could, he could do that. Yeah. He could catch that if he plays three more years. Yeah. Maybe three, four years. I don't know. That's a lot of years. I mean, that's the longevity of your career is incredible.

You said it yourself, like four years is the average. Is that, um, you, can you like point to all the training? You think that's, I think that's, that's really something that I'm proud of, you know, that I was able to commit to something like that and, and still love it today. You know, because it's like, whenever I went to practice, I felt like I, I wanted to learn something, you know, not saying I would wake up and say, Oh, I got to go to work today and just going through the motions. And, and, and I think the thing is that really helped me to excel on the football field.

Was there ever any times throughout your career and you were fortunate enough to play on some, some really, really good teams where you had kind of a down season or a bad time and, and did that impact your love of the game and in turn affect like how much you wanted to work at it? And, you know, guys, I think one thing that really helped me and I'm going to say this, because when we lost to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and I was with the Raiders, because I was always used to winning Super Bowls. They had all your plays. And, and, and we ended up losing that one.

And still you have obligations that you have to fulfill with the media and stuff like that. Now here I am. I'm so used to, you know, just winning. Now I, you know, I lost, but still being able to, you know, do what I had to do with the media, do with what I had to do with the fans and stuff like that. I think I, I learned more about losing than winning because when you win, everything's just great and stuff like that. And I remember when we lost that game, when I got back to my room, I went to my room, I sat on the bed for a second and I cried like a baby because I was like, I cannot believe

we just lost the Super Bowl, but now you got to gather yourself and you got to go downstairs. Right. Yeah. Right. Well, you also had like three and a half quarters to realize you lost that Super Bowl because you guys got killed. Well, thanks a lot. I appreciate that. You got smoked. Yeah. I mean, Gruden had all the plays. It's a good thing I got big skin, you know, and, and three other Super Bowls.

That helps a little bit, helps a little bit. Is it harder to catch a spiral from a lefty or a righty? Lefty. And, and, and I had a trainer that was a lefty. He threw me so many balls. And Steve used to really piss me off though, because when Steve first came into the league, Steve was more of a running quarterback. So here I am, you know, I'm like, I'm running my route and I'm thinking, okay, the crowd is cheering. They see me. I'm about to, you know, about to get open and stuff like that. But Steve was running up my back, you know, because he was running the ball and stuff like that. But we became a great tandem, just like I was able to become a great

tandem with Joe Montana. What was the ending like there in the locker room when it was clear that, you know, Steve was going to be the future and Joe was going to move on? It was tough because I thought of Joe as God. Yeah. And I'm like, God is never going anywhere. And Joe decided to move on to Kansas City. Then Steve became the guy. Now, everything that I had developed with Joe, I had to put that on the back burner and I had to make Steve, you know, a better quarterback. And I was always able to do that with whoever was behind center.

Is there a moment where you knew that it was going to work out with Steve? I was going to make it work because I was going to bring the best out of him, you know, if he had certain strengths in different areas and stuff like that, I was going to tailor to that. And I think, you know, through repetition, working during the week and stuff like that, we got on the same page. And, you know, that's just like the game I was watching, you know, with the Cleveland Browns and stuff like that. And you got Odell Beckham. And he has a chance to win the game one-on-one and you don't throw him the football. So you have to, you know, get on that same page. It's interesting, the lefty righty thing, because I never really thought

about it. Oh, yeah. The ball spins a different direction. Right. Yes. Yeah. So you had to basically retrain how to catch the ball? Yeah. Because I had never called a ball from a lefty and I had a trainer that would just throw me balls after balls doing certain drills. It just became natural. How many catches do you think you've caught in your life? Oh, my God. You would. This is like Will Chamberlain. I couldn't even tell you. A million? Do you think it's a million? Yeah. How many professional catches have you had? Because I would take each one of those. 1,549. Oh, but you don't keep track of your stats. I would say, I just knew that off the tip of the top of my head. So how many would you catch in

practice? I can tell you. We got to figure this out. I want a stat like Jerry Rice caught this many passes in his entire life. I think it might be a million. Yeah. I just like autographs. That's a million. I couldn't even tell you. Yeah. How big are your hands? I shook your hand and it was like Jimi Hendrix hands. Yeah. I thought I had big hands, but then I ran into Shaq. Oh, yeah. And it's like he shook my hand and my hand just completely disappeared. Well, here's a stat. It's another Jerry Rice stat, probably because of your hands being large. You played 19 seasons in the NFL, 20 seasons, 20 on 20. You had 19 fumbles total, 11 lost. That's insane. 11 fumbles lost and in 20 seasons. That's crazy. So why are you bringing? Why is your

machine, Jerry? Wait, why are you bringing these memories back up? You're so competitive, you think that is a bad stat. You fumbled 11 times. Yeah. That's bad. That's how competitive you are. That's conceived. I saw that and I was like, how did he only fumble 11 times? I think we all want to really be perfect. You were as close to perfect as you get and you're still mad about it. No, I had 11. All right, here I'll clean it up. If you started Jerry Rice week two, 1995, he had 11 catches, 167 yards and two touchdowns. If you started Jerry Rice week 14, 1985, he had 10 catches, 241 yards in a touchdown. That was your breakout game. All these games are like over 30 fantasy points. That's crazy. Easily. Probably over 40 most of them. It's crazy. When you had

your breakout game and in your rookie season, that was the third game in the season against the Rams. I remember that. Oh, I was counting it as the week 14 game that I was talking about. You're saying that you was already broken out. Your breakout game was already... That was my come out game. Week three? I think it was week three because I became the starter and we played the Rams and that was the game I went into where I knew exactly what to do. I didn't have to think about what I had to do on the football field and I was able to just go play football. No, wait, that was week 14 against the Rams. Week three was against the Raiders. Week 14 is the one I was talking about. 10 catches, 241 yards. I would say that's your breakout game. Okay, all right.

Because you average three, four catches. I told you I'm a little confused because I don't keep up with my stats. Yeah, that's right. So you have your breakout game. 1,549 reception, 208 touchdowns, 22,895 yards. Yeah. Over 11 fumbles. Lost. Over 37 records. Caught Pete the horse. Yeah, Pete the horse. 17 times. Stuff like that. So Bill Walsh though, I'm curious. He's a fascinating guy to me, someone who revolutionized football. When you sat down with him, what was the type of things he would do as a coach to make you better or bring the best out of Jerry Rice? Well, he'd never let you get comfortable. He never would let you get comfortable or anything like that. And Bill, and I'm going to tell you guys this story here because it was by accident

that they drafted me because the San Francisco 49ers, they were in town and played at New Orleans Saints in New Orleans. They had checked into the hotel. Bill was flicking the channel and they were showing some old highlights of Mississippi Valley State, that Saturday game. And he noticed me running across the television, catching balls and running away from everybody. He went back and told his scouting department, we got to look at this guy, Jerry Rice. So they went back, they looked at me, and then they traded down to get to that 16 spot because they traded with the New England Patriots to get to that 16 spot because I thought I was going to be a Dallas Cowboy. They had the 17. And then I got drafted by the Niners. So when he would do an install meeting

or something like that, and he was going over your film, how hard would he coach you? How critical would he be? Oh yeah, very critical. But I think it made me a better football player because when you sit there and you watch the film as a team and you're not giving 100% or you're not doing your job, it's right there on the film. And he would do that. He would have the offense and the defense if we had a bad game, sit there and watch each other. So you have to be accountable. You saw a lot of great coaches come through there too. You had Mike Shanahan, Mike Hongren, a lot of football guys. And a lot of those guys went on to become head coaches. So what Bill Walsh was able to do, his coaching tree became enormously successful at their own right when

they went on to other jobs. You see a coach like Belichick and his coaching trees sometimes struggles with that sort of thing. So what was Bill Walsh's approach with his own coaches? Did you ever see him try to manage them? What was his attitude that he would have with them? I think he just led by example. I mean, what he expected of his players, the way we practice, we had to hustle to every drill. Because if you don't practice a certain way, you're not going to be able to carry that on to a game situation or a big game. So preparation was everything for us. And I think that was the thing for him. All right. I have one last question. We're with Jerry Rice, America's game, the NFL at 100. You can buy it now. So my last question, we have a guy

here. It's the Seat Geek question promo code take. Put in promo code take you $10 off your Seat Geek purchase. We have a guy here from Mississippi. I think he's from like five minutes away from you. I'll introduce you after. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And he asked, I said, Hey, anything because, you know, he's a hero of yours. I asked him anything I should ask. And he's your hero. He's a hero. He's a hero of yours. Yeah. Brandon Walker is a hero of Jerry Rice. Yeah. Yes. Correct. You love this guy. So he asked all time Mississippi football players, can you rank them? Walter Payton, Jerry Rice, Brett Farve, Steve McNair. All the time. I love, I love sweetness. Okay. Number one. I will say then myself.

Okay. That's a very smart, classy move by you. I think Brett. Okay. And an air McNair. Yeah. That's pretty good. Any other Mississippi legends? I don't know. I actually don't know. But Walter Payton, man, sweetness. God, I remember I used to idolize that guy. I had a brother that played at Jackson State too. And my brother at that time told me they were running like the wishbone. So that was not a good place to go for a receiver because if they were running the wishbone, they're not going to be throwing the ball that much. But I remember when he went into the league and he used to have those kangaroo shoes, all of that and how he would punish people when he ran the football. So I sort of like idolized that guy. Okay. Mississippi good football.

I got two last questions for you. First of all, were you ever upset that you didn't get a cooler nickname from Chris Berman? Because he was always around those 49ers teams back in the day. Yeah, he was always picking us to win the Super Bowl too. You know, I have had my share of nicknames. Fifi? Yeah, yeah, Fifi. How did you get that one? Because of my hair, man. I had that Fifi look and stuff like that. They used to call me Jerry World, right? Because I used to, they felt like I could catch anything in the world. And they used to call me Flash 80. And this one guy, Jamie Wooden, started that. He would go Flash. Oh, you know, just like that. Yeah, you know, just, yeah, I have had my share. I think Boomer called you Jerry Minute Rice.

Did he do a Rice Veroni too? He probably did a few Rice Veroni's. But it wasn't as good as some of his other ones. Yeah, like he brought out the heavy hitters for other people. I guess you probably didn't need a nickname. You kind of let your game speak for itself. My last question, this also comes from somebody who works here. His name's Tyler at Tyler I am on Twitter. He wanted to know how much stick them is too much stick them. Well, you know what? Trying to take down your legacy. I'm not even going to respond to that because I'm way above that. There you go. My thing is, I played the game the right way. And I, you know, hopefully I was able to entertain a lot of people. And I had fun. And that's it.

That was a clown question. You know, the thing is people are going to have their own opinions. And I feel like I'm way above that. But when you go back and you look at everything and guess who's been picked by USA Today? Number one, Jerry Rice. Jerry Rice. If you started Jerry Rice in the Super Bowl in 1994 in your Daily Fantasy League, he had 10 catches, 149 yards and three touchdowns in the Super Bowl. It's pretty good. Hmm. Interesting. That's a pretty good stat line. So we need to get that. We need to get that up there, the Jerry Rice today. I think that's pretty cool. Time portal. Yeah. I think I pretty, I like that. I like that. Let everyone know the stats. But you know what? And you guys are

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it seems pretty close to being true because they've got former players, they've talked to anonymous people from the team behind the scenes, as well as pitchers that pitched against them when all this was going on. And it seems pretty airtight. I saw John Boy put together a clip. Did you guys see it where he basically broke down the Astros had trash cans that they were banging in the dugout very loud. Whenever there was an off speed pitch coming. Yeah, were they also doing it for the away teams when Justin Verlander was pitching? Cause that would explain a lot actually in the last couple of seasons. So first of all, this is pretty fucked up, but also good for baseball because it's baseball talked about. AJ Hinch, the manager for the Astros also was like, every time it's

been brought up, I think there was a whistling controversy and he was super, super arrogant about it. The Astros has there ever been a team that has like fallen off in the public conscience more than the Astros in the last month? Probably not. It's been, it's been a rough, rough month for Houston fans. I was going back and looking at what happened during the Yankees series this year. And so the whistling accusations are coming from the Yankees, saying that they would do the same thing, except not with the trash cans with whistling, they would whistle when an off speed off speed pitch was coming. And AJ Hinch, the manager said, it made me laugh the accusations because it's ridiculous. Had I known it would take something like that to set off the

Yankees, we would have practiced that in spring training. So cheating and cocky about it. So how long from now until the Cardinals copy what the Astros and they start cheating too? The Astros. So what, like, what's the punishment? I don't even know. I mean, first of all, we should give Clayton Kershaw a World Series for 2017. So we should update his resume, make the Astros move to London. That would be good. But this is like, this actually is kind of a big deal if this is proven to be true. And I don't know how deep you can get into it. I think they'd probably have to have a few more sources, but it came from a guy who played for the Astros, then got traded. Yeah. So it seems pretty, it seems like it's pretty realistic that it

actually did happen. And it's blatant cheating. There's, I like baseball when there is like a little gamesmanship, a little this, little that, you know, maybe trying to like steal a sign here and there or, you know, tipping pitches, but this seems like they were actually using high, like high tech cameras in the outfield. Yeah. Relaying it to the dugout in real time, real time and then letting the players know, which is so blatantly cheating. Disgusting. Yeah. Do you imagine if this happened using a camera and relaying signals? Disgusting. Have you done that tweet yet? Hmm? Have you done that tweet yet? Somehow making it about? I don't do that. You guys, they should actually let you guys are the ones that do it. And I had to say something. They

should let Roger get it. I'm saying all I'm saying is that what that Houston Astros did is disgusting and unacceptable. That's fair. Good. I'm happy you're standing up for that. So I agree with you, big cat. I think that cheating is baseball is a sport for scoundrels. Cheating with reason and gamesmanship is fine. Once you bring anything that requires a battery into play, correct, whether it be an Apple watch, as some teams have done in the past and gotten caught doing, or the Steelers, or if it's the Steelers. Ben, who doesn't know how to use an Apple watch. Yeah, that's right. Good point, Hank. But once you bring a camera or an iPhone or anything like that into it, it's a little bit over the line. But it's a net win. And you can hear on the video

that John Boyd put together, you can hear them banging on trash cans like they're doing a recital of stomp out loud back in the clubhouse. And that's right here. That's yeah, exactly. That's all you hear before the pitches. Or maybe it's all business Pete was running their air conditioning system and their heating system. They've got they've got air in the pipes. That's what they should say. And I know there will be a lot of people who say this is the worst thing that could happen to baseball because it is blatant cheating and they want a World Series probably in part because of it. I think it's all good for baseball. Any kind of publicity is good for baseball. Especially just gets people upset. Like it gets people going. And I would obviously die hard,

lose trust. Well, I would obviously think very differently if if the Cubs played them in the World Series. But I'm admitting that if you trust baseball at this point, you're you're the mark. Yeah, you're the idiot right now. If you actually believe that they're in it for you. Also, stay woke. This is awards week. So Monday, they announced working the year Tuesday's manager of the year Wednesday, Cy Young Thursday's MVP. People are talking about baseball now. So stay woke on the timing of it. And well, you know what? A little spin zone. This is a little do your pod for DC homers. This makes the Nationals World Series title even more impressive. Yeah, the fact that they were able to beat them while they were cheating. Yeah. In fact, I did a little Saber

metrics of my own here. I looked up the box scores from this year's World Series on games played in Houston. 60% of the Astros runs were scored in the first inning before the Nationals would change how they were doing their signs, change how they were tipping their pitches. And Strasburg even said, I think it was after game six, he's like, yeah, they knew what I was going to throw. So I switched things up. He didn't elaborate anymore on that. But it would it leads me to believe and other reasonable people to believe that they were still doing it this year. So this couldn't even cheat correctly at home though. They couldn't win a game at home. Yep. They cheated themselves. This should be a cheat all of us. How are you going to say this to your kids?

Like, how am I going to tell my son that baseball has been ruined? Can't. You can't explain that to him. I can't. Well, he's four months, so you probably wouldn't understand. You can try. I will actually tonight. I'm going to sit like, Hey, just so you know, AJ Hinch is a real motherfucker. Yeah. I understand that right to his face. Put a lacrosse stick instead of a baseball glove under his mattress. True. True. Big winner of this is lacrosse. All right. Trouble in Paradise, Skip Bayless and Ezekiel Elliott's family. So Skip Bayless throughout a Zeke Jersey, which was come on, Skip, at least put a fucking liner in the trash can to make us think it's real. And his microwave. I know people do it like when we tweet out videos and stuff. So it's like,

but his microwave was the most preposterously placed microwave. I thought it was great. It was right at penis height. His microwave is built into the kitchen. I don't know who it could be for. Skip doesn't have any kids running around. I think Skip probably just microwaves his balls real quick before he goes on the air every morning to get his takes up. That's the only it's seriously below his waist. Yes. I was very concerned about that. So he threw out the Zeke Jersey, which was baffling because Ezekiel Elliott was not the reason why the Cowboys lost. Jason Garrett was the reason why the Cowboys lost. But Jason Garrett doesn't have a jersey that you can destroy. Well, you could just throw away like a play card

or something. Maybe an ill fitting an ill fitting polo shirt. Do you think when the Cowboys have been doing well, do you think that Skip has made Ernestine wear a red wig? That's you mean or maybe even when they're doing bad and he takes it out on Jason Garrett. You mean on a weekend? Yeah. When they're sleeping in the same bed together. Ronald McDonald. Probably. Yeah, I'd say definitely. Yeah. Skip's, by the way, Skip is one of those guys you can just tell his addicted to portrait mode because like all his pictures have that fucking weird thing where it's like blurred in the background. It's like, come on, dude, you're in a fucking Cowboys jersey. You're a weirdo. But anyway, Zeke's mom clapped back and said pretty much

fade on site, right? Said you're not allowed. I don't want to catch you wearing my son's jersey anymore. So that's not a problem because he threw it away into his face. Totally threw it away. You know what? It definitely was taken out. There's always something at the bottom of your trash can that you just haven't taken out after you keep replacing the liner over top of it, like over and over and over again. Yeah, that like trash jizz. Yeah, the trash jizz or maybe it's just like a couple of paper towels that are at the bottom of it. Yeah. Yeah, that's it's just going to stay down there. Zeke's jersey. And Stephen A is the showman that we know that he truly is. He would get Zeke's mom on first take. Yes. And and and pull a Zeke jersey out of a trash

can. By the way, how did we get this far into the show and not even mention this show was brought to you by Disney Plus? That's right. Yeah. They came into our office this morning, held guns to our head, and we have to tweet about him and talk about him all the time. Yeah. It's crazy how many people were tweeting about Disney Plus. Stephen A was so funny because I was for some reason when Stephen A tweets an ad, I believe it. He was like, I've been so excited for this. I'm so excited. It's like he probably is going to watch Mulan Rouge all day. I honestly think that Stephen A Smith gets excited whenever somebody puts money into his bank account. Right. Whoever's talking to Mulan, Mulan, what's Mulan Rouge? Mulan Rouge is Mulan is a great

movie. I watched it last week in action. Mulan Rouge is about the strippers that live inside a windmill. Mulan is a movie in Spain is the female warrior who fought in place of her father. Is that because the movie? Yeah. What was the Irish one they got? The Irish. The Irish. They have like an Irish Disney Channel movie. Boondock Saints. No, no, no, no. There's like a little there's a little girl who's got freckles and she has like fucking bow and arrow and she's like an Irish angel as ashes. No, it's a Braveheart. I think I'm thinking of Braveheart. Braveheart. Yeah. First boot. I usually have somewhat of an understanding of what you're talking about. This is Disney. Disney. Yeah. Yeah. Disney. I made an Irish warrior princess.

Maybe I made that up. Yeah, I think you did. Okay. Well, on to what do we got? Oh, guys on check. Guys on. I feel like I'm, Hey, Pete, I feel like I usually have, there's one thing that you say that I'm like, that sounds familiar. None of that in Irish woman. Are you talking about the the Wendy's logo? No, there's a Disney movie. Irish Disney movie Irish Google. Luckily Irish. The luck of the Irish. No, that's not brave. Brave. Okay. It's a Pixar. Yeah. Yep. I got it. Pixar is Pixar is not look at that. That's Disney. That's an Irish with a bow and arrow. You nailed it. Nailed it. Come out though. 2012. I don't even, I didn't even see it. I don't know why I thought this. I didn't even see it. Okay. Recently, my friend has started

talking. I was probably triggered that they had a ginger be a hero. It's like, I've seen enough Bengal schemes to know that doesn't happen. Recently, my friend has started talking to a 40 year old Mormon guy who has never been married. He always seems to avoid her sexual advances. For example, she invited him to spend the night several times and he'll just say he can't or he'll say he'll stay on the couch but ends up leaving. They've made out a few times, but he'll always push her away when he feels it's getting too intense and says he needs to go. Do you think he's a virgin or why do you think he's avoiding her advances? Should she even keep trying to get laid by him? I think he's definitely a Mormon. That's pretty,

pretty common. I, I, most of the Mormons, most of the Mormons confirmed a Mormon. Yeah. Most of the Mormons I knew got married super early because they were like, I really want to have sex, but they are very committed to not having sex and just soak. How about this? Introduce him to soaking and then see what he says. I like that. And then kind of take it from there. Take it slow or be gentle. I think he, yeah, he is just scared of soaking. He's scared of saying, hey, I know you want to fuck, but really what you're going to have to soak. Soaking seems awesome. I would love to. Yeah, very.

Roan actually went to Utah last week. I know it's coming up in a video, but apparently you can't come out this weekend. You can't come when you're soaking otherwise it's sin. So you just have to think about baseball. You just get to lay in there. Okay. Yeah. I mean, that sounds, it sounds relaxing, honestly. Yeah. Sure. Hey, PMT boys, especially above average height PFT. My name is Helga after my great grandmother and my boyfriend has asked me multiple times to go by and my middle name because he thinks my name sounds like an obese German lady's name. Is he a piece of shit for thinking this or should I take his advice and go by Ann? I happen to think Helga has a nice ring

to it. Should I break up with them? Please help me out. You know what? I used to date a girl way back in the day named Elsa and I kind of felt the same way about that name. And then fast forward like 20 years later and boom, frozen's out. Now everyone wants to be called Elsa. That's true. It's a cool young name again. Names do come back. Maybe all you need is for Disney to remake Brave and this time Brave's little sister Helga is the star. And then all of a sudden it's like you're dating a movie star. We should do. So you're saying you don't like the name unless they come out with a Disney movie? That's, that's what you're saying? Yeah. No, I'm saying the human mind is an interesting place. You felt the same way about the name is what you said. It is crazy though that

names age out. Like you don't see Dorothy's. Have you ever met a Dorothy? There was no Blake's until like 1970. Well, now they're the hottest name out. I know. Yeah. Okay, boomer. It's true. That is crazy. Who was the first Blake? I tried to do some research before this year's Blake of the year and I was like, oh, let's find some historical Blake's. And it was like, oh, there wasn't there was Blake Washington didn't exist. Patience zero for Blake's. Yeah, there's got to be the first Blake. Wasn't there was probably like a Lord Blake. Blake was the last name, I bet. Yeah. It was such a cool last name that they just turned it into a first name. Mm hmm. Okay. I like that. Ethel. You don't see many Ethels. Jones. Jones. Mm hmm. So Jones. You guys are avoiding this

question. Agnes. Yeah, that you do not see a lot of that. I cannot remember the last time I met an Agnes. Helga or Anne. Helga or Anne. That's what you should go by Helga or Anne. Annie. So she should go by Anne. Anne. Yeah. I like Helga. Well, keep Helga. I feel like Helga plays if you're basically Oktoberfest. That's it. Yeah. Oh yeah. Huge time here for Helga. You're just doing cocaine off a dude's dick. Hey, we all saw that video. As the Germans do. Mm hmm. Hey boys, my boyfriend spends on average 20 minutes to poop. I timed it and it's getting to be a problem. We're always late to events or I'm alone at dinner or we will be with my parents and they think he is sick. I know he's on his phone, but he says he's actually pooping the whole time and

it just takes a while to get it out. But I always say when you really have to go, it just comes out. We've actually gotten into fights about this and his friends think he spends too much time in the toilet too. What do I do? Is this normal? Help. Feed him more cheese. There's extra cheese all the time on everything. I mean, it does take like 20 minutes. What do you want to say? Like, that's... But if you need to go fast, you can. You can. Sometimes, but sometimes things are out of your control. Like how fast it takes to clean things. It's just, it's just a relaxing place. It's like going to a spa. You know. Get a bit of a day. I've been like to go to spas. I like to take a shit. Same thing. But if your woman going to a spa became a problem, you'd have to address it.

I would just get a bidet and say you get in, you get out. And put a timer on it. I know exactly how long with this bidet it should take to clean your butt. Yeah. And if you go anything else, then that's extra, that's free time for you. Probably jerking off too. Well, yeah. Just a heads up. Probably jerking off. Also, if you're at a family function, you need that 15 minute block where you can check your phone. Oh yeah. Because when you come out, you can't be on your phone. The best is that we're getting into it. We're getting close to Thanksgiving and Christmas. But the best is the best advice for any family functions is always be the guy who will go run an errand. Errand guy is the best because you can take as long as you want. And that's just time you don't

have to be sitting in the house like mindlessly doing nothing. Why do guys put pictures with professional cheerleaders on their dating profiles? We always do. That's like, that's just part of being a guy. It's like you scratch yourself sometimes. You take long shifts and when you sign up for Bumble, you have to take that picture that you had at the Ravens calendar girl autographs and Hooters. Yeah, Hooters. And then you have to slap that all over every single social media thing that you have. Yeah. Was that wrong? Was that the wrong thing to do? You want to show that you know how to act normal around attractive women, even if they were paid to be there by the team and not paid well. And yeah, it's if getting a signature from the entire cheerleading team on

your calendar that you bought and brought for that occasion is weird, I don't want to be normal. Yeah. And maybe getting the lips when she kissed your hand when you said hi tattooed on the back of your hand. That's what guys do. Let's chicks know that you're safe and that, you know, you can trust me. You can be around me. I know how to comport myself in the presence of an attractive woman. Yes, absolutely. All right, last one. Sup PMT boys, especially holiday Hank. What holiday Hank? Okay, not anymore. I forbidden from holidays. We're saying Merry Christmas, by the way. Okay, we're not doing happy holidays. We say both, but we can say Merry Christmas again. Got it. I'm on. We should go up and see the tree. I hate that fucking tree. Oh my god,

I want my parents when they came the first year. It was a cool disaster. That tree sucks. No, that tree sucks. I'm gonna go say that tree is a great place for a baby. That tree. I'm not gonna bring my baby. I'm gonna bring you what you're talking about. You I was saying we as a group go up. That's the worst. Yeah, I'll bring you. You're my baby. I refuse. I refuse. I'll put you in the stroller and we'll go see the fucking tree. Hank, you're gonna like it. It's the most commercialized tree and as a former Christmas tree salesman called the spirit purest. That's not a fucking Christmas tree. Can't move. So it's a disaster. Sup PMT boys, especially holiday Hank, I'm on the fence on whether or not to keep my boyfriend. He seems to he seems to be yelling at

middle school aged kids on the new Call of Duty modern warfare has me concerned for the future of our children together. Threatening and calling children as fucks and telling them he fucked their mom's alarming. Yeah, please help with much love. Epstein out. That's not it. That's not our name. Okay. Um, I played the new Call of Duty and I got killed like 7000 times in the first 20 minutes. KDR bad, bro. So I understand where he's coming from. It's fucking hard. So keep him. Keep him. I think it shows that he's got passion. Yeah. And if he was good at it, if he wasn't swearing at people, that means he would be good at Call of Duty and that means that he puts in way too much time. So you want that you want your boyfriend in that that like perfect zone where he wants to

play video games, has fun with it, but then gets smoke so bad that he's like, fuck this. I'm out. You hear that sound? Off speed pitch coming. There it is. Yeah, I agree. Astros. You would be, callback joke shot, Mark Titus. You would, you would much, that's a callback of a callback. Yep. You would much rather date somebody who sucks and is pissed off about sucking than someone who's really good and nonchalant about it. Right. Right. Then you're in for trouble. Yes, I'd agree. Or if he gets killed and he goes, so it goes. Then he's a nerd too, because he's making literary references. He's a nihilist. He's like, I don't give a fuck if I die in real life or in fake video game. Yeah. So it sounds like you got to keep her. Yeah. He's passionate, passionate man.

All right. That's our show. Who do we got? Oh, I think we're gonna do Rick and Keele on Friday. This is a good interview. Really good interview. Question live question behind the scenes question for Triggs. Would you say he's a pitcher or a batter and what team? Both Cardinals both. Yes. Okay. How do you do that? He's definitely Cardinal Triggs. Figure it out dude. All right. A pitcher and a batter. He could be pitching to himself. There it is. How about that? Yeah. He could be throwing the wild. No, we won't. All right. Okay. We'll see everyone on Friday. Love you guys. Hey.

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