Pardon My Take - Joakim Noah, NBA All Star Weekend, And The Astros Story Is Never Going Away

Episode Date: February 17, 2020

Special President's day edition of Pardon My Take. We talk about the Astros cheating scandal somehow getting worse every time someone talks about it (2:27 - 14:17). NBA All star weekend and the dunk contest was kind of cool (14:17 - 20:36). Who's back of the week including Mason Rudolph vs Myles Garrett and Badgers (20:36 - 32:24). 2X NBA All Star and 2X National Champion Joakim Noah joins us in studio to talk about his career, how he's not done yet, his favorite memory from the Bulls, Florida, and more and how New York didn't go as planned because he was too lit (32:24 - 77:04). Segments include Talking XFL, Hank hot in the streets, thoughts and prayers to Hank, and we watch the end of the All Star Game which was awesomeYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

Hey, pardon my take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. On today's part of my take, we have Joe Kim Noah, a little all-star recap, a little Rob Manfred stepping it in the Astros controversy will never go away, Who's Back of the Week, XFL, Hot in the Streets, a huge Presidents Day special episode. Actually, I'm going to call it a special episode because some people have the day off, so we should get credit for working extra hard.

Yeah, I agree. Always we should get credit for working extra hard. So it's a special extra episode. It's like one of those car dealerships giving, you know, it's the lowest price as possible on Presidents Day. And they can't call it a sale anymore. It's always like a sales event. Right.

Can I give you a little tip here? It's a podcast event. Yeah, it's a podcast event. We're going to have those, we've got those flailing inflatable guys right outside the studio right here. Sweetie. A little tip on sales events during Presidents Day and all these like tent sales that you see.

What they actually do is they just mark up the prices like $3,000 and then they take $1,500 off those. Oh yeah. I used to slam cars back in the day. It's beautiful. It's a beautiful sales event. It's a dirty little trick. It's a beautiful sales event and here's another beautiful event that you can get involved

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Today is Monday February 17th. Happy Presidents Day. Happy Presidents Day everybody. Bye bye bye. Happy holidays. It is we're here. We're working on Presidents Day. We should probably be applauded for that.

Yeah. Maybe a quick round of applause for us. Who's your favorite president? Just in general. Yeah. I like Dave. Dave Baker? No.

Dave. President of the Hall of Fame? Dave from the movie Dave. Which one? Who pretends to be president. Way to date us dude. The guy Dave that pretends to be the president. It's a movie from like that.

What year was that come out? Yeah. It was a great movie. 1995. Go watch Dave today to celebrate American Presidents or watch the American President. Who's your favorite president? Hank. Probably Ben Frank.

Ben Franklin. Great president. Thomas Edison. Also yeah. Alexander Hamilton. All those guys. Best to ever do it. Big time squad guys.

Hamilton. I like the FDR. Dude was president forever. Yeah. He kept going. Also wasn't he first cousins with his wife? Yeah. Yeah.

Him and Albert Einstein. Smart guys. Yeah. Smart. It's a hot new way to you know just date whoever you're. It actually makes it kind of easy because think about it no one wants to go to like Christmas Thanksgiving. Got to see your family.

You just kind of reduce that by one. Because. One less house you have to visit. Well it's like you'd have a cousin and a wife now you just have a cousin wife. Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah. Also your kids are going to have all the same strengths and weaknesses as you did.

Yeah. So you don't have to learn new skills for them. Yeah. So President's Day. Welcome to the President's Day special of part of my take. We're calling it the President's Day special for no reason. We're going to be doing it. We've never not done a President's Day show but we're just going to say this is a special

one. Yeah. Presidente is a type of lager too. Uh huh. This is a delicious beer. Yep. If you're into drinking. Hey Rod.

Yeah. He sends me the ads. He sends you beer. It's a signal boost. Okay. Yeah. No beer though. No beer.

Is he going to buy the Mets? I don't know. I'm very woke on that. So there was a story that came out. Why not? On Friday that it was like in the New York Post that said A-Rod is interested in buying the Mets. Now that it's not going to be.

So am I by the way. That Colin guy. Yeah. So I guarantee you it's just like one of A-Rod's associates and A-Rod was like hey tell the New York Post that I'm interested so that people will think that I'm capable of buying the Mets. I could be the scout. I'd probably get a job in baseball ops.

You've got the fashion sense of a scout. Yeah. Just show up with Tommy Bahamas shirt and be like hey guys. A straw hat. I'll go to like shitty cities and not shitty cities but you know cities that maybe are not big time cities in across America minor league cities across America watch people throw fastballs. Wilkes fairer Pennsylvania.

Eat a lot of hot dogs behind the plate and yeah and write things on my notepad doodle on my notepad. I am definitely scout material. We're a safari style helmet. Yeah. And maybe yeah you've got the glasses. I feel like those every off yellow glasses that's a that's a perfect scout thing. Yeah.

So all right. So speaking of that baseball is still in the news. The story that will never go away because it's somehow every single time someone steps in front of a camera or a microphone to talk about the Houston Astros they make it significantly worse. So the Astros Korea get in front of a video camera and basically say Cody Bellinger needs to get some facts and come back and see me Jim Calhoun. And then Rob Manford.

He said he said that's his job. Yeah. Cody Bellinger's job is to go collect facts. So the Astros are now getting a little testy. They're starting to get a little upset that everyone else is throwing this around at them. I think they're also at the point. They're pre mad. Well no I think they're at the point where they're like we know other teams cheated too.

So keep pushing it and we're going to start airing out some shit. Start naming names. I think well they're definitely getting pre mad because Dusty Baker was saying that MLB needs to step in and do something about the fact that other teams are going to throw at the Houston Astros. Right. He's like I got to protect my guys. But no one's thrown at him yet.

Right. It's just he's he's pre mad. He's putting it out there. Dusty is a weird position that he's in because he didn't have anything to do with it. But he's going to have to deal with all the repercussions all of it. Yes. I can't think of a better manager like a more quotable manager to be dealing with. This could be great.

And then Rob Manfred the commissioner made it even worse like really really worse by getting in front of reporters and saying the idea of an asterisk or asking for a piece of metal back talking about the World Series trophy seems like a futile act. People will always know that something was different about the 2017 season and whether we made that decision right or wrong. We undertook a thorough investigation and had the intestinal fortitude. Whoa. Wait.

Wait. Have the guts Rob. Do you have it. Dunno. Dunno. Dunno. Intestinal fortitude to share the results of that investigation. Wow.

Good job. The balls to show the the investigation and then he had the balls to release a report and then he said so he called the World Series trophy a piece of metal which is actually like 17 pieces of metal most dangerous rung together by other tiny pieces of metal wiring the worst trophy most dangerous trophy in all sports and then he also said when asked about the notion that anyone in the Astros organization has avoided punishment he said that they have been hurt by this and will be faced with questions of what happened in 2017 and 18 for the rest of their lives.

So so their punishment is actually yet to get to really manifest itself. He also essentially deputized and drafted every single journalist and person on Twitter into the punishment war against the Houston Astros by saying like the fans that will not let you forget this that's going to be your punishment. So in order to keep up our in the bargain we have to become relentless cyber bullies it's crazy to troll the shit out of the Astros for the next 10 years until until every single member of that 2017 team is off the roster we must not let them forget it's insane. The whole thing is so so poorly run poorly handled and we're at a point now where the

questions hard questions are the real punishment of World Series like I actually went in this whole thing being like I don't really care but the worse the the more they talk the more angry I get and how stupid they are and how they're basically making it seem like nothing really happened even though it's very clear it was blatant cheating and really bad cheating. The banner that they hang should just be in the shape of an asterisk yes let them keep the banner but just cut a few pieces out of it and then Altuve got dragged through this because he was there was a lot of chatter about his embarrassing tattoo unfinished tattoo saying that that's why he didn't want to have his shirt ripped off right because he was embarrassed

about his tattoo that wasn't finished yet which I don't I don't know if he has any tattoos but I guess every tattoo is an unfinished tattoo like I have a ton of unfinished tattoos yeah they haven't been started either my body is yeah they're unfinished giant unfinished tattoo the whole thing actually has an unfinished tattoo right yeah it's crazy like it's so fucking stupid they should tattoo an asterisk on all those every single one of them on their face yeah like in the end of Inglorious Bastards exactly tattoo it with a hunting knife everywhere you go Brad Pitt has to do it while doing a weird southern Italian accent also I had a question where the hell is Justin Verlander he's another one who like you know always will

speak up about you know you know baseball news baseball stories very vocal on twitter he's been nowhere well he's not vocal because he's always choking and he wasn't even on that 200 2017 team he yeah he was was he yeah yes he didn't he didn't play well in the world series though right he would win that's what happened yeah he wouldn't win list in that world series he yeah he was he was definitely on that team yeah you're right I was just thinking about him never winning a world series game which is something that people don't discuss um but so the the astros I don't even know I mean it's ridiculous that they have not punished them at all like the players need I can't believe I'm here that I actually am passionate about this but I think they should be punished yeah now I don't

want to be I don't give a fuck I love hearing the phrase death penalty get thrown around like maybe just give me you yeah give the Houston Astros the death penalty did you see the little league in California yes the little league in California that's they're banning the team Astros and all little I love it I love it we should you know what I'm not going to say the word Astros okay it's got generic profanity inside the name already but it's no longer allowed on my page yeah I mean he it's this story will not die um you know what I'll do they should do he should say like no it wasn't a tattoo I was just embarrassed because I had a ton of back knee and from all the steroids I was taken right we framed the different type of cheating I was cheating I was cheating by ingesting

substances the cheating that's allowed yeah now if you get a buzzer implanted in your skin is that cheating no because it's part of your body if you get a buzzer tattoo yeah that's part of your body that's what he should have done you also see the guy who uh uh Buffalo Wild Wings great sponsor of ours we love it they had a nice roasting of the Astros which they're supposed to do because Rob Manfred told us that's what we're supposed to do uh some guy responded and cut up his gift card that he got for Christmas that'll show that'll show the money's already been spent but then now Buffalo Wild Wings doesn't have to give you food for it uh more for me he also probably knowing that guy he definitely wrote down the number and is going to still go get it

because you can't resist Buffalo Wild Wings maybe it was just like was it just a print out of paper that he cut up you know it was a hard card that it should be that was his big gift it should be got like a $200 gift card it should be illegal to do that that it should be protected in the same sense that we protect money hate crime and the American flag you should not be allowed to desecrate a Buffalo Wild Wings gift card I take personal offense to that yeah so that that's what's going on with the Astros it's like it really will not die and someone will say something else and they'll start getting hit a bunch and they deserve to get hit a bunch and I don't know it's like I if they had just suspended some of these players for 50 games or whatever it may be it probably

would have somewhat gone away they didn't do anything correctly and it's just going to keep lingering you know what I would do if I was the Astros I would sign like a professional MMA fighter to my team and just rush them out yeah just be like hey if you hit our guys John Bones Jones is going to come out there and beat the shit out of you they should get some goons they should get some absolute they should get some big nasty get Bartol back and put them in the bullpen he'll just come out and just start jumping on people sign Tebow Kazuna don't just have like a designated hitter but like hitter as in somebody don't try to get Tebow to get hit somebody that would just be there to get hit to get there and just run at people yeah um all right good at that so uh you

can watch the barstowgold.com slash PMT the other story we had all-star weekend in Chicago I was back in Chicago it was a good time the dunk contest was actually more fun than I thought it would be live so I went I enjoyed it but there was controversy because Dwayne Wade I I think what it comes down to is Dwayne Wade knows that classic heat versus magic only this state's only big enough for one of us that took over and that's why he had Aaron Gordon not win the rivalry is back on yeah it truly is one of the fiercest rivalries in all sports the heat versus magic now is that the only rivalry in the NBA involving two teams whose names don't end in an S who jazz yeah whose jazz rivals with the jazz don't have um the jazz and and fans that have just general decency that

doesn't that's true yeah jazz and profanity yeah jazz jazz and being normal human keywords yeah that's that's a big rivalry yeah the the heat in the jet in the uh in the magic yeah so Dwayne Wade you could see him doing the math in his head trying to figure out how to fuck him over and by the way I just want to go to this party I'd like to say that Dwayne Wade was looking very fresh oh yeah he looked like uh one of those XFL cartoons yes but if they tried to draw Marvin Gaye they were everyone was looking great it was uh it was it's a sight to behold like the whole all-star festivities and stuff I went to Michael Jordan's party which when I say that it seems cool but it's it was a warehouse this is literally Michael will bonds and I saw I saw MJ walk by and then he disappeared

Michael yeah I saw him walk by but it was like 2000 people were there so uh it was a big warehouse into the crowd it was fun watching people try to get into his VIP area just get kicked out uh because no one's allowed to go near him so that was a good time but yeah oh look it was a um Stuart's court side it was a big come up for the Chicago flag this weekend very underrated flag oh yeah I love the Chicago flag and Tina pop up everywhere this weekend was a nice little treat uh now how about jumping over taco awesome that was pretty great that's why I mean erin gordon not winning from that I'd really do think someone should have pandered and done the uh jump man from from the free throw line I feel like that would have won no matter what but but maybe nobody can do it and

that might which is crazy to me like because I was watching like Derek Johnson when he was doing some of these dunks I was thinking like what if someone did this in like 1992 people would lose their mind yeah because did they make it so effortless and they're so insane they'd lose their mind because taco fall would be like one year old well yeah and he would yeah he wouldn't be that tall so yeah he just wide yammed on there yammed on this baby um they should he should have won for that to the only reply to that is you got to dunk an actual taco into Guy Fieri's mouth yes he was courtside too for that oh yeah Guy Fieri's he's everywhere huge I so I saw Guy Fieri at this party on Friday I'm pretty sure he has a warrior's ring and I'm pretty sure he's wearing it yeah

doesn't I don't know how it happened but it looked like he was wearing an NBA championship ring I mean like and really like not one of the fake ones that fans get I'm talking a real ring I think you have to give Guy Fieri credit for your championship no every team that one gift where he popped up yeah every team no matter what city you're in should recognize the greatness of that's such a hilarious flex to have nothing to do with the organization and be rocking a championship ring so and then Jared Carrabbas yeah Jared Carrabbas well the rocket had a lot to do with that right as much I would say as as much as guys as much as guys so we're watching the game right now it's in the third quarter and we the scoring really is so stupid how they did this every so every quarter

is a new game right yeah but it is for charity so you can't they didn't say anything bad it's like the decision with LeBron can't say anything bad it's for charity and uh yeah so it was all it was a good weekend we had a big event a NBA Jam tournament Joe's on weed so thank you everyone who came out it was a fucking awesome time I forgot how much fun that game is like I could play it I'd like to take my hat off to the uh to the officials in this game they actually they called it travel in the all-star game really I thought that was against the rules to to actually play by the rules yes in this game especially in this game I love being the person on Twitter that's uh that's talking trash about how frustrating it is that they don't play defense in the all-star game

yeah it's how dare they oh my god little I prefer you know what you know I prefer I like a nice little like Dayton Xavier college basketball game where the kids actually care yeah also way more entertaining I don't know how it happened but uh firegar packs got trending so it seems like people good weekend good showing by everyone did you see that clip though on on uh Friday I think it was get up and everyone started chanting it and then Molly Ciaran quieted everyone down and they I don't know why they listened but so the TV person was like okay don't say got firegar packs it's Valentine's Day don't don't insult me by asking me if I saw get up of course I saw also uh it wasn't get up whatever the other first take it comes out yeah there's a huge lead in audience

Stephen A Smith was fucking wet with his jumper he also did an event I don't know where it was I heard the rumor I don't know if it actually happened where you could go to a bar and debate him fuck there's a fuck a fan god damn yeah how come we were not informed I heard about it I would have happened I would have taken the first flight it would have been incredible matter of the cost it would have been I what would you debate see this I think I would go I would go Descott it I would go um he would get mad about that ass versus titties yeah yeah hey big a big set of titties walks in you tell me you're not looking Stephen you're looking Stephen yeah come on man but yeah he he's so god damn he's so funny he's so funny uh wait so he was he was coaching the celebrity team

right yes and he did the fake like he he looked like Wendy Williams doing the faint yes out there but for a second I thought since he works 25 hours a day he might actually just be feigning of exhaustion yes that you know what they really fucked up they really fucked this up because how amazing would have been to have Stephen A Smith coach one team and Skip Bayless coach the other it would have been great Skip's team would have been trash Skip would have now he can't lose in his in his Jordans every single day that's true um all right let's do our who's back of the week uh Hank why don't you start my who's back of the week is the Mason Rudolph Miles Garrett beef yeah so Miles Garrett did the interview with Mina Kimes uh like last week or the other day

whatever and he's again alleged that Mason Rudolph said a racial slur prior to the bra which is like what got him to go crazy red skin Mason Rudolph uh replied and said it's a thousand percent false it's a bull placed a lie I did not have not and would not utter a racial slur this is disgusting and reckless attempt to assassinate my character so much like the astro story this is like the football story that's just never gonna go listen I I'm not going crazy because the NFL just they have to have they've got audio they know they've got audio I'm not I'm not going to believe that somebody isn't a racist until they use the phrase like I don't care if you're black white purple yellow orange red until they start naming all the different colors right I how can I

how can I even trust him that he's not racist yeah if he hasn't even that's the bare minimum people yeah he wants once you use the word purple and in defense of you not being racist at that point I'm like you win racism over so my question is does he sue uh he's that confident he should well but he also makes Rudolph so let's say he didn't say who makes Rudolph would would sue being like this is slander whatever libel I can't remember which one it is slyble slyble would he sue but the problem is he's still trying to be an NFL quarterback even though we all know he isn't right so I feel like he might sue after he's out of the league there are a couple things that play here one there's the uh punchable

bitch face defense where they can you just show a jury a glossy eight by ten of Mason Rudolph and they're like yeah you know I I'm going to go with with Miles on this one the second is uh the NFL PA has like basically a built-in don't be a loser clause in their contract which is you're not allowed to sue a player for something that happens on the field okay yeah yeah that's I like that it's just like don't be a dork right right don't be don't be a narc just try to be cool yeah be cool mason just fucking chill out so yeah that story is never going to go away and there's really it kind of sucks well it is because Mason Rudolph's gonna be out of the NFL soon that's true because he sticks but it so if you're mason Rudolph and you didn't say that there's it kind of it really sucks for

you right now right because you can't prove that you didn't say unless the audio is out there but the fact that I feel like there should be audio there should be I'm very woke on that I think that the NFL might have deleted something okay stay stay very woke so you think he did say it no I have no idea I think that the NFL they wouldn't delete it if he didn't say anything I just I listen I'm going no reason all over the place with my conspiracy theories but I think I think the NFL had audio because you'll remember they have audio that they play like every Tuesday on Showtime on Inside the NFL right and their excuse was they have a guy who pushes a button to stop recording in between plays right and that guy doesn't exist right so I don't know okay uh Hank

is there only who's back who's back yeah yes okay PFT who's your who's back my who's back is Tim Tebow it's it's Tebow time baby Tim Tebow reported to training camp he's back in a big way he addressed the media he's not going away he's not letting the baseball dream die just yet the Mets need to call him up if the Astros don't bring him up earlier to get hit by pitches I'm very very excited about about Tebow not making it baseball game this year yeah that's not gonna happen uh he said oh so there was an article that was written about me a seminal moment when he I feel like he first started to try to be a pro player right when this podcast started and he's not even close no no closer well he's pretty close than he was the first day he's a better baseball player than Michael Jordan

that's all I know at this point but you still he still is not gonna make major league baseball I'm sick of him like taking up our space taking up a roster spot no taking up our brain space oh I'm not gonna be on sec network I'm never sick of Tim Tebow taking up my brain space so there's an article written about him today this is a take quick right here they called him the most famous baseball player in the world agree or disagree discuss yeah I disagree you don't think so no he's not no Mike Trout who would you who would get Bryce Harper who get recognized by Colin Coward in a mall faster Mike Trout or Tim Tebow Bryce Harper probably is more famous I mean like dead or a lot or retired or I mean Derek Cheeter Alex Rodriguez like there's a lot of baseball

players you're making some compelling arguments here yeah I just like every now and again an NFL writer likes to just flex their muscles by being like like you're doing right now that's not play that's not in our sport would be it's doing what we do to handball right except to to a professional baseball but he's just been playing baseball for four years now and just sucks correct my other who's back in the week is us soccer so us soccer is back I don't know if you saw this but last week Claudio Reina Claudio Reina's son scored a goal for Dortmund so he's going to be like a superstar over in Germany all basically all our best players in the United States play over in Germany for a period of time right it's like a reverse operation paperclip thing where we send them all our stars

they get big over there get a passport and then they eventually play for Germany later and they come back by the way that's we're going to talk about the XFL in segments but we should do that for the XFL where it's our like soccer like Tom Brady retires and he goes and plays XFL when he's like 45 retirement tour yeah like Beckham comes and plays for the galaxy or wherever he played for I like that that would be cool I like that um okay my who's back I got two Tim Croce in his back I don't know if you guys saw this he's online he made his first tweet uh since September I don't know why it was to me and it was replying to the XFL Cup snake and he wrote I in loopy oh oil that's like a that's a Bubba tweet right there that's a Friday night 1 a.m. what the fuck how he's like and then he

issued an apology where he said sorry like four times saying I don't know how to use Twitter but how is that his first tweet since September Timmy K probably I love him yeah I love him too he probably uses a flip phone actually Tim Kirchman probably is the only person who still uses the ESPN phone from like 2002 right and so that his T9 thumbs are all messed up I in loopy oh oil I in loopy oh oil okay so let's break that I think he wants me to oil him up I think he wants you to rub him down a little bit yeah what's oh oil you know oil essentially some sort of olive oil olive oil selling that's all oil yeah I he's he would say he's been drinking too much olive oil I in loopy I am loopy because of olive oil because I drank olive oil yeah he's drunk off olive oil

I had a drunk thought on Friday about olive oil actually yeah um the character the cartoon character olive oil Popeye's love interest yep is she the ugliest love interest in the history of cartoons there's nothing that gets me going about olive oil at all we're really dating ourselves she's got like reverse me who else would be old toothpick ass running for this who would be in the running I don't know just basically all well yeah I can't think of anyone else off the top okay grossest grossest female lead in a cartoon no what about uh goes to olive oil oh yeah I was gonna I was thinking like what about Bruno would break that in half yeah I don't I can't say I remember a lot of Popeye yeah imagine taking a back shot from olive oil just thinks like shit kiss Popeyes and just

just spinach farts um all right my other who's back are uh is badgers not the badgers I root for but badgers the animal because there was a report that uh President Trump is obsessed with badgers so the headline I'll be a reread a headline uh it said are they mean Donald Trump obsessed with badgers a new book claims daily beast reporters say uh Rhine's was it Rhine's pre-bis yeah Rhine's Rhine's pre-bis was repeatedly asked about the rotund Harry omnivores during briefings on healthcare and foreign policy yeah so we're fucking back so Rhine's pre-bis who by the way his name sounds like somebody that Brooks Kepke would absolutely hate yes uh he is from Wisconsin okay so so Trump when he learned something about you he'll associate that with you and then he just zeroed in on badgers

which I mean if you're talking about Wisconsin that's probably the coolest thing you can do yeah but that's just so funny to be like what what's up with badgers yeah well he he is a big fan of wildlife you remember he was obsessed with the gorilla channel yeah well yes so so badgers are pretty cool badgers are made it to the white house yeah there it is that's fucking huge um all right you think he's gonna corner tyrant matthew when he gets there uh for the chief's visit yeah yeah uh yes tell me about honey badger yeah give it to me give it to me give it to me um all right let's get to Joe Kim Noah before we do I want to talk to you guys about our good friends at Peloton you know I'm on my Peloton I got back on that bike last week you've heard of it it's a game changing

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layered superfood you know you come back hungover from the streets you know put a little coconut hydrate in your drink okay i'm telling you it works where can you buy this you can find it you find it online let's find it you find it i like to do what you gotta work for it you find it layered superfood we got so we got that and then we got a creamer unbelievable for coffee a superfood creamer with all the best mushrooms delicious performance mushrooms we're not playing we're not playing around let's see the foods go check it out can I snort this to get hydrated no no no no okay so so here's the thing is big cat and I are we're on day number five of our hangover I think so I want to be not hungover anymore by the end of this podcast yeah so that will happen

hopefully all right starting now yes exactly all right shake it up shake it up so Joe Kim thank you for joining us we got to start with the most obvious question are you retired I am not retired so let's get you on a tee I know you got something for me well what teams you want to go on I would love to have you back on the bulls but I'm going to ask you some questions in this interview that will probably make it so you can't go back on the bulls listen you can ask me whatever you want okay so how for how long was Tom Debros office bugged by management oh shit you're going right away yeah well you just said I could ask anything we're not we're not we're not fucking around look uh shit got real tips is tips is the best man tips is a warrior somebody who

you know we were we were so close yeah and you know and you know the injuries kind of derail derail things a little bit you know um but you know I look back at those years and maybe we were right there and I got nothing but love for for all those guys you know you know if there was a bug whatever you know that's not that's not what it's about right you know let's let's you know for me it's all I just look at the I just look at the good and and you know tibs helped us you know get there so we were almost we were almost at the promised land it didn't go down bugger no bug you love you tibs so so it's interesting because the the tibs era bulls there was always the idea that he might have pushed guys too hard during the

regular season so then you get to the playoffs you don't have everything you know load management has become a big thing in the NBA but you've always said he pushed you exactly how like without him you wouldn't have been the player that you were I mean but we were we were I mean you know it's easy to look back now you know with the injuries and and talk shit about you know what didn't go well but the truth is we were right there we almost we almost got the chip if it wasn't for the injuries I mean in my mind you think that year when the the uh series game one against the Sixers round one you think if Derek Rose doesn't go down that's it I think we're holding trophy up you guys were the best team in the league we got the we got the my mind in my mind still to this day there's

there's no question nobody was fucking with us mm-hmm it hurts me would you say that you're in the best shape of your life right now if you just say that there'll be a headline and then people like GM to see that so just say Grammy posted the other day I am in oh my god I'm physical you're physical would you say more physical than you've ever been I mean I've been physical before I'm trying to I'm trying to help you man I am more physical and in the best shape of my life listen I wasn't drinking I wasn't drinking hydrate layered superfood hydrate back then I'll tell you that yeah that's true that's true that's to leg up over like you've got the technology exactly exactly have you given any consideration actually uh parlez vous français grave je pas

français okay I'll ask this in code uh je voudrais vous jouer en new zealand oh not bad first of all first of all not not a great shout out to Matt Walsh you know Matt Walsh well Matt Walsh you know that's what we're the alums uh huh we we're part owners yeah we we all that we're part of bonds in the breakers bond bonds you want to give it to you want you want us to sign you we can sign you right now we have the power to sign you for the breakers we're part owners how much uh can I call Shawn Marion real quick you got side of the sea yeah uh what's the side we're paying you are you paying us oh shit well I mean you got a lot more money than us okay so wait what he's probably not gonna sign with us if he has to pay us all right so we'll make

money off him yeah we'll pay you whatever you want 100 dollars a rebound not good enough okay all right we'll figure it out we'll figure it out we'll sign you you can play I mean anytime you want you know that already though you're your friends and Matt Walsh you can call him up and just that's my guy go to New Zealand just dominate we can also go on vacation that's true yeah and dominate vacation yeah and dominate vacation um do you still hate Cleveland I don't I mean it's just um yeah I mean I don't want to yeah greatest press conference ever did anyone go to Cleveland to for vacation yeah no I I really don't like being in Cleveland sorry sorry for saying I don't like being in Cleveland have you been to the casino there

never okay that's probably why that would change your mind it's really it's real I've only been yeah I've only been harassed for my money and my winnings at that casino like 60% of the time that I've been there yeah so it's uh yeah they lapse in security a little bit they also have a nice Buffalo Wild Wings downtown oh yeah I'm into Buffalo Wild Wings and they got a lake you can't swim a lake a river am I selling this what's your uh least favorite NBA city to visit and what's your favorite take out take out uh Chicago and New York where you played okay um least favorite obviously Cleveland you know guaranteed my favorite you know underrated I like New Orleans yeah you know I like you know if there's a day off you know just

cruise through Bourbon Street like I'm I'm cool with that right you know some people speaking French you know it's just I like the vibe over there it's just everybody's lit yeah everyone's lit we were just there and everyone was we were actually just talking about you you being lit in New York big cat you had like some quote that you saw right yeah you said that your time in New York uh it didn't work because you were too lit too lit yeah what does that mean okay I'm happy we can talk about this because you know it's hard when somebody just takes that little quote and just runs with it um you know I was hurt so what else we want me to do I mean you guys are not playing me ever I'm like uh can I get five minutes I'm busting my ass over here no sorry you're not

gonna play ever so yeah I'm in New York City getting paid like what do you want me to do sorry I was lit your hands were tied like either play me or I'm gonna go get lit yes that's I mean that seems like a fair no but honestly it was there was a lot going on it was it was a tough time yeah um you know there's nothing more I wanted than to you know be healthy and be able to produce you know but um it's it's disappointing because I wanted to to bring something to to my hometown uh it didn't work out for for a lot of reasons but yeah it's definitely definitely a I would say even though like I made a lot of money there it was definitely like it was a dark time right it was not a it was not a good time in my life for sure right did you uh how many times did you go see James Dolan's band

zero zero maybe that that's why it was such a dark time you would have gotten more minutes yeah yeah that's just if you're front row are you a musician no if you were front row just nodding your head like that's not that's not my style man I'm not doing that you're not gonna go to no I'm not gonna this concert um do you regret the goofy peace sign that you gave a draft night no that was a good time that was that was a hilarious all-time draft picture peace sign cheese and I was hype yeah are you kidding me oh wait suit what I mean New York City get drafted by the Chicago Bulls I mean I was on fire the streets were lit that yes I would not we were not playing around is that where you wanted to go yeah 100% you know I I didn't I didn't work

out for a couple teams um that were ahead of the bulls because I wanted to make sure that we were going to the bulls I just brought in oh okay well now that's what I'm talking about thanks guys enough so now let you know okay now we're talking about some real deep stuff but we're gonna now we're gonna put some of this superfood creamer in the coffee so you guys know that not only are you putting superfoods in your coffee but you're gonna see how how how good this I like this I like this what kind of what kind of superfoods are in there so a lot of a lot of functional mushrooms huh you know about functional mushroom yeah the the mushrooms I've had before have not been functional well sometimes different types sometimes they're enhancing yeah I would say right oh these are

enhancing oh go maybe go look at our trip um we should not not art not art we put some music on after we trust me just just try it okay you guys trust me yes I trust you okay okay I trust you 100% okay absolutely trust you with my life okay so we're gonna put a lot of this stuff oh jeez that's a lot of mushrooms you know there's a lot of mushrooms we're not we're not micro dosing over macro dosing there we go um all right so Joe came I got I got some more uh bowls questions for you that I need some answers to how hype were you when Carlos Boozer would say get that or hold that hold that first of all I want you guys to know the story of the whole lat okay because shout out to Nate Robinson and shout out to Carlos Boozer but whole that came from me and they ran with my

shit but I love him to death so you know I'm sorry for for putting that on the on bar stool and but it's the truth right but you know what those are my guys and I remember being on the bus with them and being like yo guys you guys just blatantly just took my shit and and and branded it and they're and and I remember Carlos being on the bus like no no no no no no no no you say hold that we say whole that it's like vanilla ice yeah exactly yeah exactly but would that get you hype when you just scream it because you would scream it get that Joe yeah no there's no man those are man we were competitive fuckers we weren't fucking around we were we were grimy and you know what I got none none but love for for those guys man you know boost boost cruise baby those were those

were good times those are good times what about what about the famous hair that Carlos had we've had him on the show we've asked him but from a teammate perspective what did you say What do you say? I think he said that he went to he was I think it was in Boston And he went to a barber that he'd never gone to before and the guy just started doing it and they fucked up And he fucked up polish on that. Yeah, so what from you from your perspective? He walks into the locker room that day. Do you did you just laugh in his face or do you just pretend like hey? We got to have his confidence at a high. We're just gonna tell me got a good haircut good shoe polish. Holy shit. That shit was crazy that shit was fucked up, but

I mean, I don't even know what to say. I just I remember you know going into practice and Just you know, I think we were in lay-up lines or something in practice just warming up and Everybody just was dying laughing like He was pretending not to know why you know what like He's a soldier man. Like just just to be able to go out there with that and just Hold your own. I was like, you know, not everybody could do that Not not everybody could be in the lights like that with with anyway

Did you ever get any shit from your teammates about the the sidespin foul shot, I mean, that's my whole life Yeah, that's my whole life. I love that shot. You shot is whack, but it goes Don't say the W word. I mean it is Sometimes it can't get wet. Yes. Yes. Yes, but you know when it comes out. You're like, this is this is wet You watch the back. You're like oof. I mean yo fuck goes in sometimes sometimes miss sometimes sometimes you fucking hit though When you hit you got to let them know. Yes. Yes, the pistols which you actually retired, but the pistols they're coming back They're coming back fucking bring them back. I'll say this about the sidespin shot It's actually it's a benefit to your team because when you miss when there's a rebound

It bounces off differently than a normal shot would and gives you a better chance at offense rebound So your your misses are worth. I don't know about all that All I know is when I do hit though, how devastating it is for the other team, right? It's just like I see it all the time just it's honestly I like that hidden a mid-range jumper more than a dunk or anything. It's just like it's so demoralizing Just to watch something so ugly go in. Yes. Yeah, right. No, I agree because everyone's like, yo Give him that let him shoot that and then it goes in. You're like wait. Fuck. I should have let him show that Whole last shit. It's true. That is true when that goes in. It's it's way worse than like a dunk on someone

Damn, I want to make sure that we're saying it that go in when it's you. Is it whole that Or loser DT hold that. Yeah, which one is which which one gets hold that hold one gets hold that I thought it was hold that the whole time But boozer kind of try to trademark his shit, you know, that's the that's the story He's hold that I'm hold that hold that. Okay, you please hold on to this for me. Yes That's what you are. Yeah, yeah, right. All right, right, right What about do you hate LeBron as much as we do no

but I Don't hate LeBron. It's just I think it's it's just a little I mean, I'm just a I'm just competitive Yeah, and the fucking guy just beat us to win championships for years Mm-hmm, and like everybody just thinks that I just Hate I don't hate anybody. No, I'm my life is good. You know, I'm saying I'm not I'm not hating. I'm just I'm just pissed when I lose. Well, I always appreciated that from like a fans perspective. It always felt like you cared as like it's weird as fans you watch your you know your sports teams and you just want them to care as much as you do and Like an irrational care and it felt like you always did like there was animosity

When you were in a big series when you were fighting against guys like you didn't want to be friends You didn't want to be buddy buddy. You wanted to kill them. There you go. And I love that about you There you go. Yeah, so I appreciate that. Thank you. God damn it those games that that I mean, I just wish we had more battles against him mm-hmm when we were healthy because in my mind I really felt like we really had it. We really had a shot, you know, and And That fuck man. Yeah, I feel a fucking bothers me. Which one bothers you the most is it the Eastern Conference final one was you guys were on the upswing so it was like this gonna last a while they beat us in the Eastern Conference finals 4-1

Yeah, but if you put all the scores together from that 4-1 series On a score was fucking tied. Yes. So that's how close the shit. That's how close the shit was You know and then the next year. That's the year that D Rose, you know, I really felt like we had a better team We were the number one team in the league, you know, and we were coming at everybody's neck and it just you know Derek got hurt and actually, you know, we were I Got hurt that year too. And I mean, I don't know if we would we would definitely wouldn't have won the championship But we would have busted a lot of teams ass that were coming up next. Yeah, if you know what I'm saying that the other one that killed

Me was the Cleveland series when D Rose hit the shot. That was the end of those. Yes. Yes I went to all three of those home games at the United Center and LeBron did his fake ankle injury and then hit the game winner Remember that and that was just that one really stuff was a dagger because that one felt like you guys had him on the ropes I was that was the end of the that was the end of that era. Can we talk positive ones though? Positive playoff memories. Yeah Personally the Nets series. Yeah, fuck that was when everyone got hurt Louis Aldang almost died. Yeah, he did Yeah, it was literally had a spinal tap and was dead in the hospital and you had 24 and I think 14 in game 7

Basically put the whole team on your back. What was that like when you? Switched when all the injuries kind of started to pile up and it was there was that stretch where you were the guy like it was your team I mean that that was probably you know the highlight of my career just being able to come home and Playing the game seven. I was coming off. I had planned if I shared this for like a couple months I was fucked up shout out to Fabrice Goat yeah, one of the best osteopaths in the game just came in he was child for breeze child for breeze You know ended up You know doing some stuff with my ankle and the next thing you know, I'm I was able to play I hadn't played two months

Before before that series and then you know a week later a couple weeks later It's game seven and I'm playing at home and you know, I had the best game of my career. So That was that was actually a dope time it actually we play Miami then I remember it's game six we lose game six in Chicago and We have to pack our bags To for game seven in Brooklyn and I remember Tibbs coming in the locker room, you know, everybody's pissed off It was a closed game. I think I don't know if it was OT or not, but it was a closed game. He goes Pack your bags and bring some fucking shorts because we're going to Miami right after I was like, yeah Let's go. Yes, you know, so we were hyped because you know, it's it's it's when I go home

Right, it's it's when I go home and I remember we had to we had to bring our Miami shit, too So we were we were ready. Our mindset was right. Yes. It was a game six against the Celtics when you had that dunk Yes, that was a good time, too. Oh I'm on Paul Pierce neck that series on his neck. That was Ben Gordon BG Ben Gordon. I mean insane just when you're talking about all these teams I can sense that you still get back into the competitive mode Like you still don't look at your opponents like fondly like oh, yeah, I mean Paul Pierce We had a good time playing against each other. No, so like that that is always gonna stick with you

Like if they were an opponent of yours when you flash back to that. Yeah, you know, like I Think it was it was worse before because I couldn't even be around my I Couldn't I was so competitive that I couldn't even be around You know people I was competing against You know and then as I got, you know now, it's I don't I don't I don't feel I'm still I'm still like that But it's also like all right You know keep that between the lines and then when it's over just it's cool This you know, this is yeah, I just keep it basketball and then after bass

There's on the court and there's off the court. Don't be competitive Just with everything in life because that'll fuck you up, too. Yeah, what about your three-point shot? What about it? Have you been working on it? Because that's another way that we could get you back Just say that you've been working Yeah, I'm a stretch for uh-huh your stretch where there you go stretch for ready to come back in yeah Yeah, you got the dirt low post I would imagine that if you ever took a three in even practice tips would probably be like what are you doing? Yeah? He was hating I

Had a three one time in practice and he he was like What the fuck are we doing and I hit it and I hit it and he's like yo, what the fuck are we doing? I Don't know. I remember would he ever like smile or laugh He would but Not during practice not not when I mean not when it was work, right, you know, you could catch him clowning but Not between the lines and not during practice and Not during film Shit never fuck pretty much never

I have speaking of former players and everything in the battles you went through I have a clip I want to play you real quick. So we interviewed Kevin Garnett It was probably about a month ago and I asked him about the famous beef. So I want to hear your side of it This is what he said. Well, let me get to it. He said here we go Did you guys try the coffee? Yeah, I'm having a right now. I feel great. Don't say nothing. No, I feel great You have to understand like the inner piece that I'm feeling right now I don't need to say anything. Tell the people that you were hungover. You felt like shit. I was and then you know

Hydrate, I've only made a little bit of my time superfood creamer. Yeah, and you're feeling great Listen, it was a superfood creamer is a coconut water plus aquaman. Everyone knows about the hydrate from from layers Superfoods and I slugged that and now I'm drinking the mushroom. It's delicious. I'm feeling like I'm on the moon right now Here we go ready All right, so tell us your side of that I'm gonna tell you straight up KG was First of all, I just don't understand how I don't think he remembers because I think the story meant a lot more to me than it did to him Right, you know, so I remember cuz I had KG posters in my wall. I had a fucking KG Jersey growing up

So the truth is the story. This is what happened the first time I play KG. I'm hype as hell Like we're playing the Celtics. I'm on the bulls and I think they're up like 30 points and I'm in the game like It's it's like the last seconds like nobody gives a shit. So we're at the free throw line and He used to work out with this guy called Joe a bonus are and I was working out with him for pre draft so I was always excited I was always hoping like KG would walk in the gym and You know, I was I would be able to like work out with him and I remember asking him a question about You know, you like you know, you're gonna work out with Joe this I was just trying to be cool Like I was just wanted to be I just wanted to say something to my idol and

He just like looked over and he was like, you know, like who the fuck you talking to Who the fuck you think you talking to and then like when he said that I was like, oh shit I shouldn't have and then like I kind of fell back knowing that I shouldn't I shouldn't have said that like not During the game, right, you know, and then I didn't say anything and then when I didn't say anything I guess he thought I was the fucking I guess he thought I was pussy or something because he was like he kept like Getting like louder and louder and then I was like and then from that from that moment on I Swear to God. I was like, yo, I'm going at him every single time we play we are going at it That's probably good for you though. It changed it changed it changed it changed my career at that moment

changed my career because from that that moment on I learned that there's no love in battle and You know This is competition like at the end of the day I'm I'm trying to rip your fucking head off. You're trying to rip my head off. Let's let's go like I'm trying to win Just as bad as you're trying to win I'm not trying to make no friends and you know that that moment right there Changed everything. So like I hear like I hear people talking about that moment that they weren't even there

They don't even know what happened. They're talking about it writing that shit in books like fuck out of here like I remember that was a real important moment for me and That's what happened and I and I'll say I'll say this too It a couple years later that year that Derek Rose got hurt I know there's a lot of like there's a lot of hype about that time because there's a movie that just came out KG But that series I Will say this even when Derek Derek went down that year If I didn't get hurt and we played Boston

We were coming at them and I was that was I was ready for that. I was hungry for that Wanted that it took it took like the only person or one of the only people I would assume in the league that you looked up to at That point and it reminded you that you're not there to look up to anybody anymore. He's your peer So you exactly now you just want to dunk on exactly. I like that. That's cool Yeah, it gets spun a different a ton of different ways where it looks like I'm getting hot Yeah, take off your jacket. There might be the mushrooms. This is probably the first phase of the trip It makes you sweat out the time put on some of the music Dead, maybe some Marley, whatever we'll get to you. Do you come on friends? You can see yourself a hippie?

Yeah, what do you listen to I? Listened to a lot of Bob, you know a lot of Reagan music, you know just a Gregory Isaacs a lot of the Barrington Livy I Just watched a movie the other day searching for sugar man. You ever seen that yes, Rodriguez. Yes She checked out. Yeah, I've been watching it. What's it about? It's about this this guy in Detroit who? great musician and ends up talking about He's a superstar in during apartheid in South Africa and doesn't know it right

He had like a hit and he had no idea that he had a hit Another part of the world super famous. Yeah super famous like David Hasselhoff. Did he go to Germany? Over there, and he like gets off a plane. Yes. Yeah. Yes Searching search Sick, so do you listen to that chilled out music to bring you down from being so fired up? Or do you find like it's kind of strange like is you are a fierce competitor when you're on the court But you're like a very mellow dude off of it. I think I was just I was raised like that You know, this isn't a gimmick, you know, I just I listen to this is what my mother and my dad listened to and

You know, they're hippies so You know, I mean just who we are speaking of your dad. I saw that video where he caught a fish with his hands Yeah, first of all, I'm calling bullshit. I feel like there's a fish on the line underneath the dock second of all if it was real Tell me it was real cuz our producer Hank thinks he can do the same thing Hank. You can't do that shit What so was it real it's fucking real no way it's real. He just jumped in and caught a fish. Yeah, it was. Yeah He's an animal. Did you do that a lot? Yeah, he's just he's a he's an animal like that. Nah, he's just he definitely fucking My pops say when he came he came to see me last summer. He was like somebody went up and he's like, yo

You're the guy with the you're the guy who caught the fish How'd you do that? That's great. Did you play tennis growing up? No, you're dead. No, not at all. Never. Really. No I'll still bust your ass and ping pong. No, yeah, no, we're gonna play ping pong after absolutely We're absolutely gonna play ping pong but not no tennis man. That was never that was just never I don't know I just didn't like people, you know, I grew up in in Paris till I was 10 and and just I just didn't like people just You know just being around and like I just didn't like the energy about tennis. I just didn't like it

Mm-hmm. Probably John McEnroe's fault It's kind of a dick Fuck this Speaking of your back to your shot real quick you played with President Obama and he made fun of your shot, right? Yeah What happened there? Um He Yeah, I got invited to by President Obama for his 50th birthday to come hoop

so that was one of the you know, that was a highlight for sure and Yeah, he made fun of my jumper, but you know, it was it was it was a special I mean everybody makes fun of my jumper. It's like, you know, it's like get in line But it was cool. It was cool because you know, he he was definitely ruin. He was ruined for us. Yeah So it was you know, it was cool to have did you take it easy on him? No way Honestly, I don't even remember. He probably picked you on it. You're he probably put you on his team No, probably invite. He's like, hey Jo Keem Derek

Carlos, why don't you come play for my 50th birthday? We'll play like a bunch of my secret service Like I don't remember. I don't remember him being even being on the court. I just remember watching him a little bit And he was he's pretty good. Yeah, he's got a little bit of a silky smooth left left-handed game Yeah, yeah, yeah I remember when he was when he was running for president the rule when you run for president is never Shoot a jump shot on camera because like if you're now 50 years old and you're running You're probably gonna miss it and then that video clip is out there He just got the ball and just step back from like three and just wet it. Yeah walked away. I was like, okay

That guy's cool under pressure. Yeah, he can do that. Cool dude I just thought it was cool to have like a president that came from, you know, it's born in Hawaii father African and just Mother white it was just he just came from so many different backgrounds. I just thought that that was that would be interesting Yeah, I was um, I was just thinking earlier when you went to University of Florida You were there at the exact same time that their football team was also dominating. Yeah That's probably the most athletic college campus that has ever existed Yeah, Chris leaker Tebow both both. Yeah, okay. Did you ever did you ever play Hoops against them?

No, not not them, but it was like we were I mean we part we would it was more like about Partying. Yeah, you know, then yeah, like hey guys, let's go play basketball Let's Let's get lit after we went in championships Do you still keep in touch with those guys that were on your team Al Horford Corey Brewer? Yeah Yeah, shout out to Horfee, you know, he has a shot to win a championship and and you know Corey's trying to you know get a job and Lee. He's busting his ass trying to get back out there Torren's playing great overseas. He plays in France. All those guys actually

Um, they actually are naming the court the the the court out there Billy Donovan court next month So, um, you know, I'm sure we'll all meet up and do something for you guys were so good You were I think was this year did did three guys from Duke go in the top ten So that was the only other time it's happened is you guys went three in the top ten Duke this year went three in the top Ten only time it's happened in all college basketball. Yeah, it was also, you know, who else was on campus interesting You guys will appreciate this Dan Dan Bolzerian. Oh Say his name on the podcast But we're under NDA. Yeah. Oh really such a dickhead that we can't

No, you can't even say he's a dickhead. Well, he's such a dickhead that he won't let us say that he's a dickhead We signed some like super strict NDA to go into his house. So we Really no, we signed so you guys basically make me say all this shit. Yeah, and then I'm asking you a little bit of a question His house was fucking sick. Okay. It was okay, and there was weed everywhere. Okay. We took a bunch of Bongs that were shaped like guns. Yeah, a whole room of gunbongs. Just wow awesome. Well, he's a gator boy He is that's anyway, so I don't know if you guys have to yeah I don't I don't honestly. I don't remember if we party together and not but I just know he was on campus You know who else was there Aaron Hernandez? Yes?

Watch that documentary yet. Yo, I've been watching it crazy. Did you ever party with him? Yes? Oh, yeah, okay That's that's about it though. Okay. Yeah, pretty hope I was about it. Yeah, yeah a lot of I mean There was a lot of a lot of crazy shit going on though That's just it was all in those two three years. Yeah, you guys were the center of college sports Yeah, for those two three years. Yeah, when you came back after saying you imagine how crazy going to the bar was no with the championship Football team and a championship basketball. Yes, insane. Okay. We'll leave it at that. Yeah When you came back for for the second championship

Did you know that you were gonna come back and you just pulled a psych on everybody or did you actually think you were going pro? I hadn't honestly The shit happened so fast. I Mean, I didn't even know I was I wasn't even considered to be Going to the NBA That year So it was just like everything was like yo you you have a chance to be the number one pig that all happened During the tournament. So during the turn, it's like, you know, we're just we're so locked in at that point

We're just trying to win a chip and then when we won it was so fun. They're like, all right, you got to go I was like hell no, I'm not going anywhere. This is this is this is great. I don't need nothing you know, so um I just loved honestly when when you have like a remedy to winning and and you're winning like that feeling or winning a championship There's no there's no feeling like that. Yeah, ever. I've been chasing it for shit. I'm still chasing it Except drinking mushroom coffee. Exactly. That's the closest. I've ever closed this. That's the closest thing It gets to winning a championship. So get your super food creamer

Stop playing around That what that championship game I remember being so pissed because you and Greg Odin got fouls so quickly and that's stupid foul rule It was remember how it was so hyped up like Odin versus Joe came Noah and then you guys were out for like basically the entire first half Remembering that correctly. I don't remember much about that game. I'm pretty sure that you guys both got your two fouls It's it's crazy. I really don't remember much about basketball games I just remember after the game like what we were doing part of getting lit You remember the lit

We've been talking about Back in the league. Are you gonna have people been asking cuz you were good last year with the Grizzlies? Honestly, I I'm busting my ass right now every day. Right. I'm hungry. I'm trying to get back out there You know, I felt like I played, you know, I played pretty well last year on the Grizzlies They gave me an opportunity when everybody was laughing at me saying that it was over Got back on the court handle my business and I really felt like I had a good shot. I had a freak accident happen you know, I Got injured I had to get a little surgery

But um, you know, you know, and I think that I'm in a position right now where you know, I made I made money I made all those things and a lot of people would be like, you know, you can just chill and just fall back and enjoy life But you know, that's not who I am. I'm a competitive motherfucker. I love being out on the court. It has nothing to do with money I'm not out here trying to be it's not about making money. It's just about being in the locker room and and Getting a shot to play for for something big that to me is what it's all about And you know, I'm working my ass off to get there and that's that's all that's what I want All right, so my promise to you that speech which just got me so fired up because you're right

You've made all the money. You don't need to play you want to play We're gonna clip that and we're gonna tag every NBA team. Let's fucking go Cleveland except for Cleveland except for Cleveland except for Cleveland But we're gonna tag every NBA team and be like hey peep this Joe Keems ready. He's gonna give you 10 and 10 Every single night. It's just fucking say the word Coach Ross has you going Coach Ross has you going every single time shout out Ross Burns. He doesn't like me Why not what'd you do? Dude when we were on TBT I

Would we weren't playing he just told me the story like two days ago. Well, we would we were just basically We would like the layup line was my game That was my favorite time because that's the only time I got to actually like shoot and he got mad at me because I was going too hard in the layup line and Who is Justin Burrell? I was trying to dee him up Like I was actually kind of trying to injure him because I was trying to play so hard And he was like you have to stop like we only have six guys who can play you're playing deep in the layup line Well, we had no we were warming up and we had we had a

Eight-man roster and seven and eight were me and Dave So we really had six man roster so coach Ross was like dude if you hurt him and I was like I'm ready to go He's like I'm not I will play with four before I play with you It was you know, it's classic, you know, sometimes you'll see eye-to-eye with the coach. Yeah That shit happens All right, we're gonna get you a job all the rest of my questions are about different cities to be lit in so Yeah, all right, I got one last question wait I gotta find my oh, I have one trivia question for you

This is another one that we can tag everyone on Twitter there you are one of only five players ready for this one of only five players To have a final four MVP all NBA first team all defensive first team put that on the resume put that on a clip The other players Hakeem Anthony Davis Bill Walton Jerry West pretty good pretty good company shit I think you're a Hall of Famer. I don't know about well in the streets We can get it going in the streets in the streets hall famer. Yeah, I like that All right, I got one last question seek each question promo code take go see Joe Keen play whenever he gets signed

After this interview promo code take ten dollars off your ticket purchase What is Derek Rose like outside of playing basketball? He's the best, you know, I Well, you know, he sometimes like Derek got some he always got heat for saying wild shit sometimes But the truth about him is if you knew him you just knew that he's just real humble guy, you know and You know and he went he went through a Lot a lot of like, you know, just be a hometown kid, you know, and youngest MVP to you know

Terran, you know your ACL when you know, the lights were the brightest You know in your hometown and to be able to see him now like walking around smiling, you know a head high With everything that he went through. It's That's what it to me. That's what it's all about, you know, like It's about the journey. Like you see some of these guys. They're done playing and it's like they're fucking bitter and like This guy's still out there with everything even though, you know, he made his bread he did everything and he's still out there competing because he loves to to hoop and

He's in a good place and you know what for that? I would that's why I always had his back because I was like, you know what this dude's like Like I just don't fuck with people who are who just like running around, you know Eagle on a million, you know, just running around on their superstar shit. Like he was never like that He was always about, you know The real shit, you know, his people and taking care of what's important and and seeing people for what they are and not like He wasn't a bandwagon dude at all, you know, so Shout out to the real shout out to Derrick Rose. That's my that's my brother forever. Was there a moment in his

First couple years where you're like, holy shit, like this guy is for real for real every night. Yeah I mean every night. I mean it was like the guy came in he was just You just knew I mean the guy was just he was special man And he was he was it was almost sometimes like as humble as he was he would say The way he up like his approach Sometimes you'd be like, you know, this guy's just he's he's nuts He would be like 19 years old and be like, you know, I'm gonna win like I'm gonna win MVP

And I'm gonna win like six six championships, right and be like, you know, Derek Calm down, you know, and then but it was like that what his mindset was just It was some other shit and I almost feel like to be To be great, you know, you almost have to Be like that Well, yeah, it's crazy that he was able to be that good and that driven in his hometown because I feel like I mean you've experienced it I'm sure like playing in your hometown gives you all the distractions in the world All the distractions and to be able to like tune that out and become an intense like

Psychopathic competitor a real driven person like that takes a special mindset for sure a hundred percent and that you know He did it and you know, that's why like These are extreme situations and that's why like people talk shit about tibs, but we needed somebody like that Mm-hmm, like, you know, it was like think about what was going on. You had a 22 year old making 40 million dollars that year, you know and in his hometown Like you needed somebody with structure like we needed strut and me lit Like You know, but at the same but really wants to win, right?

Like it was you know, I talk a lot about like about partying and all that stuff, but at the end of the day when it came basketball and winning was always is always more important like I care if that stuff is fun, but We were in the business of winning basketball games, you know, and You know, it worked and to me I always say if it wasn't for injuries I always felt like we would have got one. Yeah, I don't think anyone's ever gonna question your competitive streak Because if you watch you play one time

You're like that guy just wants it more than everyone else in the middle of February when everyone's kind of not even trying You were doing everything all the little stuff. So thanks. I think you're good on that Jo came has been awesome. Yeah. Yeah layered layered layer shout out layer super foods layered super foods I'm so I'm so high now I'm just kidding. Yeah, check it out. That was your trick. You dosed us. Yeah. Yeah No, this stuff is actually delicious. This is delicious. So check it out layered super foods Jo came Noah. Thank you so much Hall of Famer and soon to have a job. Thank you That interview with Jo came Noah's brought to you by our friends at black buffalo if you're 21 years or older and

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Right now and use code pardon for 20% off. I can't Say enough if you're trying to dip if you're trying to get rid of that tobacco dip do it right now because you will not be disappointed Okay, let's get to some segments first up. We got talking XFL PFT. Let's discuss. How was the XFL? I'm gonna tell you right now. The DC defenders are a wagon. Nice. God damn wagon There's no one getting in between them and whatever Trophy is called for the XFL championship. Yeah, I don't know what it's the I actually thought about men's yeah Probably dinosaur bones or something just Vince McMahon's hair right Donald Trump shaved off that one time dipped in bronze I went down to the DC defenders game crowd wasn't as big as week one. That's to be expected

But it was cold so everyone that showed up They were real football guy to brave the weather to get out there dominated the puny guardians Darren Revelle's Guardians And that's about the story of the weekend Okay, that's about it. Houston looks good Oh, the Cup snake was awesome Cup snake was great Matt McGloin got benched at halftime Matt McGloin Get ripping his own team. Yeah, so McGloin went like I think he completed four passes for 40 yards in the first half And then on the way to the locker room said we need to redo the entire game plan, right?

And then his coach was like, okay Including the game plan that had you as a starting quarterback. Yes, literally Matt McGloin So he got benched if I was Matt, I would just say I've never been the same since that laser game in In Mexico City. Oh the laser got my eye. Yeah. Yeah, I got reverse Jamest in it Um, I am I am going to I found my team for the XFL. Well, not really my team I'm more of a fan of a Twitter account that is a fan of a team. He goes by Renegade Jim He's Jimmy bucks bucks with X is there. Oh, he's a Dallas fan

He's a huge Dallas and I am I could not be more in on his Twitter account So he has he's been burning people. He said I tweeted on Valentine's Day Wait, oh definitely not gonna be raising any hell this weekend. Oh wait. It's opposite day. Oh raising hell shit, you ready? I mean this one I'm about to get into it like so he oh Here's you you want to talk about your DC defenders being a wagon. Yeah, they are bad news for you, buddy Hit me defenders only playing home games really gonna hurt them when it counts. They're not battle-tested Oh, well, guess what the defenders are going into dignity health sports complex this weekend There you go if we come out of that with a with a big W a big road win

He said there's a picture of vipers fans all dressed in snake outfits. He said oh no dragons fans Sorry, I get him confused. It said wow XFL dragon fans are super cool. Hashtag psych. Oh, I was gonna say not He also has a renegade gym has his record is one and oh and I asked him Hey, dude, like you guys are one and one and he said he's only counting games that Landry the goat played. That's that's fair So I'm in on I've got mine at updated at two I'm in on the Dallas I'm not in on the Dallas renegades. I'm in on renegade gym following the Dallas renegade I'm also staying a little woke on Landry Jones because I feel like Landry is a fourth or fifth announcer Right when he's a they talked him on the sidelines so much. I think that he wants to get a gig

Being an analyst or being in the booth next year I think that's what he's angling for because he's being like super awesome. They like hey Landry What's going wrong with you in the first half? He's like I suck I suck at throwing footballs I'm throwing them to the wrong people where I should be throwing them to the right people So I'm just bad and it was like it was actually an engaging interview that they had with them But I think that he's you will see Landry Jones in some sort of booth or behind a desk within the next year and a half That's my bold XFO for the great mustache of the week So are we what what?

Rank it against like obviously week one everyone tuned in because they were the novelty Sightman it seemed like the story was maybe bad quarterback plays not great, you know, except Cardell is Good and also PJ walker. Yeah, sure Looks buddy PJ Walker on the Houston's yeah, and the rough necks. Yes, that's right So would you say that's a fair assessment though? Yeah quarterback played hasn't been great But I mean again, I'm only watching DC team. So that defense going up against anyone They're gonna make anyone look like a child out there. Okay, that's just defenders football In fact, I'm ready to have the conversation and by the way, people are saying that since the end stadium experience is so good

That's Snyder will be selling the team. I heard that again from multiple sources. Uh-huh I'm actually saying that I think that the defenders could beat the Redskins, but right now I'm saying like the Redskins roster as it stands. We they all had to show up They just showed up. Yeah at the stadium fair without practicing and their coaches like just told them like drew plays in the dirt It's a go out there and execute these plays and you'd have a battle of a of Buckeye quarterbacks going out Yeah, that would be the district of Columbus. That would actually be very fun I got one more renegade Jim for you Okay, he tweeted if you stand by them during the bay if you don't know if you stand by them during the bad times

You deserve to be there during the good times stay low at Loyal. Mm-hmm. There's been two weeks lifelong fan But he did the ups and downs or first week the ups and downs in the next FL season It's enough to drive anybody insane a lot of people talking smack Do you realize the chiefs lost week one and look what happened with them? So it's good. It's good to shake the cobweb. I can't tell if this guy's trolling and I'm gonna assume He's not just so that I can enjoy all this content to be pure. I want to be pure. I want renegade Jim I don't have an XFL team. I just have a guy who watches an XFL team and I follow him I think the big story of this week for me was the continued excellence of that one ref that

Where's the red hat that has the fanny pack that's filled with footballs at all times, right? That's that's the new wrinkle that they had one guy just always keeps that motherfucking thing on them All right, we have a Hank hot in the streets Hank. What do you got? It's more of an explain it explain it to Hank for PFT But the new new hot in the streets slang for like beta instead of like, you know If you want to diss someone you just call him a simp a simp I've been seeing simp simp is having a moment right now online I see that people are saying that live coward has like a lot of simps that follower. Yep

What is that? It stands for a simple your beta a simple person lacking common sense a fool or simpleton a man who foolishly Overvalues woman and puts her on a pedestal. You're like a fuckboy Is it the same as a fuckboy? No fuckboys are like they like lead girls on and like kind of fuck them over simps are like simps are like betas like Whatever you want Queen. What's the difference between a simp and an incel? Not much. Okay Simp, I don't know it sounded it sounded kinkier when you when you hear the word simp You know, it's like loser. Yeah, you think it's gimp kind of yeah

Like someone who's totally submissive. Is it the same as a sub pretty much? Okay. Okay. All right, so simp Who would you say like in our world is a simp? Give me an example dr DR is a simp big-time simp. Oh, who went to JJ Watts wedding, which I think you mean Kayla Ohio's wedding true. Don't you married a Wisconsin man? Yes, it's greeny simp simp Greeny's a simp. Wow. What about fans of have you seen? No, you can be like a simp stand, right? But that doesn't make you a simp. No. Yeah, if you're a simp stand I feel like it's it's almost more of an alpha move to

To be able to acknowledge that you root on a simp Yeah, okay. That's an alpha like you're you're trying to elevate the simps Yeah, exactly It's like it's like when a coach puts in an equipment manager for like one touchdown run at the end of a year Right, like that that coach is an alpha by showing what a good person Like I'm so kind-hearted because I root for greeny to have missionary sex once a month with his wife That's yeah, that's a non-simp move not total non-simp move. Yeah, I Don't think we're understanding. Thanks. Look at me like I'm not trying to think of other drink is a simp. Nope

He's not no why he doesn't even have a girlfriend. Yeah, big simp. No, he can't even talk to girls big simp So that's it like legally he has a I'm pretty sure you say restraining order against every person under 18 Should we try not to use this like what's the probably not right draw? I mean, I feel like I don't have a grasp on the simp life It was a simp life that should be a reality show. Mm-hmm where it's uh the simps just two losers Yeah, I think we're maybe get the people our podcast and the simps the simps Uh-huh Hank you loving this and they're in love with Paris. Oh, yes

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Game plans like here's what I'm looking for a week. Yeah. No, that's I'm saying things were Seahawks. No, I'll do my XFL there you go. I'll do my XFL previews in the comment side comment section of the porn hub. Yeah, I like that Okay, new winner. By the way, we're 12 points away from finding out who's gonna win the all-star game. It's been Electric yes, they actually are playing defense now. So there you go. You have got defense. My dad is ecstatic Remember when they played defense So wrapping up Hank you good Beeps new segment Hank, how you doing Hank? I'm doing great. Okay. Beep slid into your girlfriend's Well, my girlfriend was on Valentine's Day. She was chirping his album saying it wasn't good. Is it not good?

It's not good So she was chirping him and he just like it was in one of those Twitter moments where it's like Here's what people are saying about Justin Bieber's new album And her tweet was in there. So I think Justin was just Replying her being like the algorithm got him. He wasn't checking out her profile got it. It was put into his feed got it So I'm great. God. So he said what do you say to her too bad too bad? That's a little flirty Do you think she was flirting and nagging him by saying that your album's not that great? No, she was dead honest. I think she's up. She was a believer

She wanted to like the album, but she just didn't got you so when he said too bad in her DM She probably just like let it go because she doesn't want her like get into a back-and-forth Justin Bieber or say anything like witty to reply to her, right? Well, you know for you know her job and like content purposes like it makes sense for her to reply to him So she did. Oh, what'd she say? Is it too late now to say sorry? Oh, wow That's that's not flirty at all. No, definitely not flirty and did he reply to this? She said that to him on Valentine's Day, too, right? I just want to make sure for my records I've got this story dead to words writing a story about it. Yeah, so we want to make sure that we do all of our research

It'll be on Publish a porn hub. Yeah under under the James Brown video that he tweeted out So do we want to just hang out watch the end? I mean who cares? Of the all-star again, yeah, I don't know there's 12 points left there You had 12 points left if team Yannis is 12 points away. Yeah, I think we should talk about them in that game Okay, we're back We actually stopped and then we watched the end and it was awesome. It was pretty cool I've never seen a game in like that did the two free throws to seal it when he missed the first one

He had to be pooping himself a little bit on the side It was cool because it was like I mean we do I I just said that I didn't want to see them play defense because it It's not as fun, but then it actually got like really fun But none no one knew how to play offensively together. So it was one-on-one basketball It was essentially like the best players in the world playing a sloppy Pick-up game on a Saturday or Sunday morning And it's like the seventh game of the night of the day everyone's like last game So people are not playing sharp. Yeah and jacking threes and like I want to be hero

No, I want to be the hero It kind of looked like two dads to like 55 year old dads figuring out how to play 2k for the first time against each other Right and Kyle Lowry taking charges to two huge charges the kids were awesome But I think that this actually like I don't know I still understand the scoring thing No, but it was a blue one blue one. That was the coolest ending We've had in an all-star game in a long time They should make the kids that lost have to actually go into debt to the kids that want to pay them their winnings and shout out The refs we all came to see the refs and we had to watch a lot of refs the big virgin Cal

Lowry taking two nice charges there down. Yeah, really nice charges. So alright That's all star we actually a very good like the cap off of this and the best part is Like Kobe would have would have nailed the three right away a little tribute He would have he would definitely had the game winner LeBron tried to do it from half court He tried it from half court Kawai had his shot at it, too. Yeah, so good all-star weekend Good job MBA this league everyone's back. It's NBA season. Do we owe an apology to Adam Silver? Yes, Adam We'll have to tweet this out so that he sees it because otherwise, sorry, you'll never know Adam. I Would like to apologize

For absolutely nothing. Oh, it's my job to hold you accountable at him But you did a good job on this one. Love you guys Welcome to motherfucking Detroit. God damn it. Wonder boy. Shit. Damn son. Where'd you find this? Evil empire not the hottest thing smoking. You must be having a god damn