Pardon My Take - Keith Yandle Talking Hockey, Pablo Torre On Jordon Hudson And Bill Belichick, Jayson Tatum Tears His Achilles And Celtics Down 3-1, Mavs Win The Lottery + Guys On Chicks

Episode Date: May 14, 2025

The Pacers are in the Eastern Conference Finals and where do the Cavs go from here (00:00:00-00:10:28)? The Nuggets couldn't hit a shot in the 4th quarter and the Thunder take a huge Game 5 (00:10:28-00:19:23). We talk a little baseball and MJ going to NBC (00:19:23-00:26:03). We then go back in studio to talk about Celtics/Knicks, Jalen Brunson's huge Game 4, Jayson Tatum's injury, Hank's mentals and more (00:26:03-00:55:56). Timberwolves look like theyre ready to end the Warriors season and we went to the NBA Draft Lottery and watched the shocking results as the Mavs win the first pick (00:55:56-01:19:39). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including Pete Rose being back from the grave, Big Cat buying an Ice Cream machine and the NFL teasing us all week with the schedule (01:19:39-01:42:53). Keith Yandle joins the show to talk Stanley Cup playoffs, Panthers/Leafs and Biz losing his mind, the Caps in trouble and more (01:42:53-02:21:17). We then welcome on Pablo Torre from Pablo Torre Finds Out after he did a deep dive into Jordon Hudson's relationship with Bill Belichick, the fall out from his findings, what happens next and how he what his next investigative work will be (02:21:17-02:59:48). We finish with guys on chicks (02:59:48-03:14:13).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take

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Today is Wednesday, May 14th, and the Indiana Pacers are in the Eastern Conference Finals. They dismantle the Cleveland Cavaliers in five Pacer basketball PFT. That's a good fucking team. It's fun. It's fun. They I felt like they were going to come back even when they were down early. Like this is a team that that does not quit and the Cavs yet they were hobbled. They've got excuses. That's good for the calves. Like at least you can point to injuries and stuff. Be like, yeah, well, we weren't at full speed, but the Pacers did look good. And they stuck it in ESPN's face. Yup.

This is a trend that we're seeing now because remember in the first round, I think it was 10 nothing. The ESPN experts picked the Lakers over the wolves. I think it was 13 nothing ESPN experts picked the calves over the Pacers. And I think it's 13 to one Celtics over the Knicks as well. So there's a lot. There's a lot going on right now at ESPN and hand up. I think this whole show had the calves. This whole show had the Celtics, which we're going to get to. I know a lot of people are probably tuning in for that when we get back in studio we will get to I yeah I saw it miles Turner tweeted out after the game all the experts that picked the Cavs miles Turner was incredible this series he was incredible tonight he hit the dagger shot I think he had five blocks Hal Burton was awesome playoff Nemhart is a real thing. They're just a fun team. They play with so much pace. They wear you out. Rick Carlisle was even like Rick Carlisle

might be the most underrated coach in the, in the NBA. He was very gracious in defeat and error and victory being like, you know, calves had an incredible season. They just ran into a hot team like us. We're playing great ball right now. And that's a fact. Like they, I think so the excuse thing for the calves, they obviously had some injuries, Darius Garland, Mowgli, Donovan Mitchell gets banged up a little. I still think that this is a really like demoralizing disgusting way to go out for a team that won 64 games this year. That's the second most wins in Cleveland Cavaliers franchise to go out in five games. And especially the way game four happened. I think you got to run it back if you're the calves, but man, that is, that's as demoralizing as it gets to go out that way. Like they, they just didn't,

they didn't put up a fight other than, you know, Donovan Mitchell having heroic moments. And yeah, you could turn to the game too and be like, Hey, if they could inbound the ball, they could have had, you know, two wins and the series could still be going on. But that's what the pacer, the Pacers make clutch shots, big moments run, like run fast. They, they just, they have it all. And I, if you're a Cavs fan, I think this is as like dark as it's been for a long time. And I'll say this PFT LeBron, he's going to opt out. He's going to opt out. Could he, could he end his career in Cleveland? Could

he fix everything? I don't think he's opting out. He might opt out to take less money, but that would be fun if he did the opt out and we had like a day or two of being like calves. It would be fun last time. It would be fun. It is demoralizing. You're right. Because last year felt like the year where they learned how to lose. Right? Right. Like last year they were too young and they were injured last year on the rise. They were injured last year, but that felt like for most calves fans, it's like, okay, let's focus on next season. That's when we could put it all together. They had a great season. So the expectations were super, super high for him. And yeah, this is, this is going to be one that takes a while to get over,

but you do. It is nice to have that built an excuse to be like, yeah, we were injured. Yeah. It helps you get through the dark days. Yeah. And, and they did win 64 games. Not that's not, you know, an easy task. And, uh, but you just can't, you can't go out in the, if you win 64 games, you got it. You got a, you got to get to at least the conference finals. I feel like, and you gotta, and you can't go out this way unless it's like someone is out for the entire playoffs. Uh, but like I, yeah, it's, it's tough for the

cast. Pacers are fucking good. The Pacers are good. And it's crazy because now who knows how the Celtics Knicks will finish. But obviously the Celtics are on the ropes. The Knicks could be hosting an Eastern conference final. And we have member last year, all the, all the ESPN stuff where they just didn't mention the, the Pacers in that series against the Knicks. Oh yeah. Steven A Smith doing the long walk in. So I like it. The Hicks versus the Knicks and the, and it's like the Pacers get, they have that chip on their shoulder. And I, all the only, the only complaint I have about the Pacers in this, uh, run because they are so

much fun to watch is they got to figure out the jerseys. That's it. That's the only complaint I have about the Pacers in this run because they are so much fun to watch is they got to figure out the jerseys. That's it. That's the only thing I'll throw out there as keep saying it. They look like the heat at home. But other than that, Hal Burton has risen a different like an extra level. All the other guys are playing big time moments and making big time shots. They pass the ball so well. It feels like everyone's always getting good looks and I'm happy for miles Turner because they going into the series, you're like, Oh, Jared Allen verse miles Turner or Evan Mobley Mobley verse miles Turner. He's still good

and he's the, he feels like he's been in the league forever. How long has he been in the league? I'm not sure, but I don't, I saw the look on Hank's face. I don't want to bury the Celtics just yet. Hank got a little bit upset with the presumptive Nicks discussion, but he's been in league for 10 years. You got to think about it, Hank. That's our job. We got to look ahead sometimes. And right now it's three to one.

So my only thing is, and we did find out last night that we have, there's some people in the NBA front office that do listen to part of my take. So I'll make this case one more time, one last time. Free John Halliburton. Yes.? Halliburton's dad. Yes. It is time he sat out. He missed the home games. This is Indiana basketball. This is as a state that has Hoosiers. Did they Sean Dennis Hopper and Hoosiers? They got to bring him back. No, they bring him back for the names. They ended up embracing him. They made him an assistant coach. He

totally redeemed himself. This is you got to let the guy's dad be there at the games. Yeah. Hank, I know we're going to talk about the Celtics Knicks and we taped that portion earlier in the day and we talked about Jerry O'Connell. Jerry O'Connell has already gone onto the Pacers. He's moved on. He's moved. Mr. Bing Bong has moved on to the Pacers. Are you going to be using this as fuel for the Celtics? Yeah. I mean, it's the playoffs. You should never look ahead like that. Uh, it's still game by game. Anyone can come back and he's going to learn that the hard way. That's what, that's what Hank's always said. Mr. Game by game, Mr. Game by game. Don't look ahead. Do not look ahead. Do the pacer scary little Hank?

Pays are good. They're good team. They scare you. They're a good team. It would be a tough matchup if we got there. I would be honored with the opportunity. Yeah, but we got to be in New York first. That's you got to be in New York. Jerry's Jerry's little man bun that he's got going right now is elite too. I didn't know he was capable of that. I didn't know he had that that shot in his bag, but yeah, he pulls it off. I mean the hat that I gave him was like a really nice hat and good condition and he's just like, I don't he's like bite chewing it. It's going some Fleming. He's Fleming that. Um, but yeah,

I'm happy for the Pacers. I'm happy for Pacers fans. It will be fun to watch. Uh, whoever it is, they play in the next round. There you go, Hank. How much they shun them and pretended the Pacers aren't involved in the series. We will on this podcast be repping the Pacers and saying the Pacers deserve more credit throughout the entire series. If ESPN, if they have Stephen A Smith doing speeches and tunnel walks, we'll do a tunnel walk. We'll do a speech. We'll represent for the smaller markets. We might get a little McAfee, Stephen Smith head to head. Oh, that would be some bad blood.

That will be good. That will be good. I don't have Stephen Smith's phone number. We know Pat McAfee, so the choice is easy. We'll have our sword. Take our sword in this battle. Um, all right. And then we had an awesome game in the second game, the thunder and nuggets. Uh, it felt like the nuggets were going to win that game. And then they just could not make a shot in the fourth quarter. It was crazy. Like they,

they just kept, I mean, we had the Russ air ball. It just couldn't find offense and the thunder that that felt like one of those, you know, how on Friday night they lose that OT game. And it was like, Ooh, the nuggets just know how to win these games. It feels like the, the thunder starting to get up to speed where it's like these crunch time, big time moments. Game fives are always important, especially when it's two, two and the thunder kind of grew up a little bit tonight. I was going back and forth because it felt like it was a Jamal Murray game where Jamal Murray was given you enough as the number two option where the nuggets usually win those

sorts of games. But then the fourth quarter, he just kind of disappeared and he, and he quit making his shots. It basically became like, okay, pick and roll at the top of the key and then Yoko do something magical. And he is capable of doing magic shit. Like there's sometimes when, even when he gets tired, he he plays like a dad just dominating in pool basketball, right? Just dudes hanging off them spinning around using the glass. And it felt like that was going to be, that was going to be the story of this game, but he didn't have enough help. Yeah, it was, it was basically like which, which helped showed up because SGA had, you know, his 30, 31 Yokech was in, was just bounced back from his slew of like a subpar games with 44. And it just happens

that the, the thunder were able to make the big shots from the other guys, like even Lou Dort, who couldn't hit a three to start the series or these playoffs, you know, hit some big shots. Caruso was everywhere as always. And so, yeah, it felt like the rest of the thunder stepped up in a way that the Nuggets weren't able to find someone because it was just Jamal Murray and Nicole Jokic scoring. Like they didn't have, they didn't get much from anyone that the nuggets weren't able to find someone because it was it was just Jamal Murray and Nicole Jokic scoring like they didn't have they didn't get much from anyone else and you could see it at the end when they just had no options and no one could hit a shot for him and they were just putting like basically the entire defense on Jokic and being like

anyone else hit a shot and we can live with it and they couldn't hit a shot. Yeah. Dort went back to back to back with three pointers. I love when he does that. And then the hustle play run out of bounds. I love watching that guy play. Uh, and he has been bad. Like he, he's had moments where he's almost he's played himself off the court. Like they have not been able to use him because his shooting his like the, the way that the thunder are set up, like Lou Dort plays defense and he's going to get some open looks. He's got to hit those open looks. I think he was shooting like 29% before tonight. And then tonight he started hitting those big threes and that's a big difference for their offense. I want to see more of the series. I hope it goes seven because I agree. This is, this has been a really fun

one to watch and the others it's like, you know, kind of fast forwarding, look, looking forward to getting to the next round. This one. I love this matchup. I wish they could play 20 more times. Yeah, I need a game seven. I need a game seven. What's that look Hank? Hank's mad. You mad about something?

Yeah, I disagree. I mean, we've been talking about the Celtics next series more than any other one. I don't understand fast forwarding. Well, that's because you're a big Celtics fan. We were talking about, but we want this series to go 70s. What are you saying? Yeah, we're just fast-forwarding through these other series could care less Yeah, the Celtics were dominating. I Just I didn't think that was appropriate

Okay, okay Maybe we need an appropriate meter. No you asked what my face was. I can't. I was reacting. You can't hide your face. No. Do you think you should start doing the show in a ski mask? No, I don't. I feel how I feel. If he knows what he's doing, it's not nice. It's not nice. It's not nice. I'm sorry for being not.

BFT, it's not nice. Please. I'm not. Please. I'm going to be I'm going to be nicer to Hank specifically in the future. That's nice. You know what else is nice? I have something nice. It's nice that we don't have to do all the inside the NBA tributes. Yeah, I feel like that was the big conversation last year. It's like, oh, no, we're gonna be losing these guys in a year. And now it's like, okay, well, they're coming back next year. Yeah,

that's cool. We don't have to. We don't have to deal with that lost to Michael Jordan. Jordan's gonna be dude. If so, there's a news. I think it was what Tuesday morning or no, sorry, Monday morning. I can't. I can't get my days straight that MJ is doing and he's doing peacock, right? Yeah, he's gonna be on the peacock. He's gonna be an occasional contributor. So not all the time, but he's gonna. He's gonna parachute in if MJ has to give picks. Uh, he has to give thanks. If he, but no,

I know I, I, you know, he won't, they won't let them, but he has to. I think he might. I think he might. I would love it in there. I would love if he not only gave picks, but he also like, he's like, all right, we're going to go to MJ's picks tonight. And he's like, all right, uh, I got the Knicks. I got the, uh, nuggets and, uh, here's what you're going to want to do if you have 14 in the dealer showing eight, like he gets tips on blackjack to NASCAR. I want MJ just unloading the clip. I think, I mean, if we're being honest, why do you think MJ is doing this? I think he probably had the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, right? He might have damn it. I gotta get a job. I think he also like this

is this is a part legacy is obviously important and like being on TV is employee. He hasn't. He doesn't do. He doesn't do media like at all. So I think being in the conversation like you see Gretzky out there, obviously like Charles Barkley had an incredible NBA career. He, he is well known far past. Is it like compared to like some of the guys he played with, he's well known so much farther past that because of what he's done with inside the NBA. So I actually think that's probably the biggest reason why Jordan's doing this.

Yeah. Is because he wants to come back and dominate Chuck. He's sick of Chuck and he got mad at Chuck a couple of years ago when, when Barclay was saying that MJ stunk as a GM, which is true. I mean, just objectively as an analyst. And then I think Jordan got real mad about that and he sees these guys that used to dominate in basketball on TV and he's like, fuck that. I'm going to come on TV and just make the life hell again.

I just I need like I need all of the picks and I need like, you know, instead of instead of a race to the to the screen, like maybe they have like wiener dogs racing in between commercials table. What if his table is just a roulette table? I need all of it. Just like it's just MJ's gambling hour. That would be incredible TV. I kind of look at at MJ on TV. Like I felt about Brady coming to TV. Like it's almost beneath him. That's what I'm Michael Joran on TV

talking to us. It's like we don't. We don't deserve to hear from Michael Jordan. Like it's weird having that. It's like the richest. He's like we don't, we don't deserve to hear from Michael Jordan. Like it's weird having that. He's like the richest guy a lot. Like he's rich. It's, it's, it's, you know, Jeter doing the Fox. It's, it's Brady doing it. It's, there's like a bubble to like the aura that then when you see them on TV and like, you know, he'll say something wrong or say something stupid and that'll become a viral clip. And you're like, you know, he'll say something wrong or say something stupid. Now become a viral clip. And you're like, Ooh, what's this? You know, I think, uh, I hope he gets on Twitter.

No, he'll never do it. He'll never do that. Like Michael Jordan doesn't, he doesn't get into meme coins. Oh, for sure. He, he and Reggie Miller might actually get into a fight on the air. Oh, I mean, it will be be great too because he could just like he has the ultimate Trump card on every like, I hope he just shows up in his ring sometimes just to be like, yeah, yeah. They should let him smoke a cigar inside the studio. Yeah. Do it. Yeah. Have the hosts.

Who's hosting that show? Do we know? I'm not sure. Maybe Trico. Okay, Trico Trico's dressed up like a like a blackjack dealer and like they're just playing hands during the show. Yeah, just keep them engaged. I'm in. I'm in. I'm interested to see what happens, but it's like with Brady. It's like with with Gretzky kind of. It's shocking to see the greatest of all time in any sport, like talking to you and, and commentating on the games. Yeah. But the, the one thing with MJ is like, I feel like he, he will have the opportunity

to be like a great storyteller that we don't, you know, we don't, we don't hear often because again, he, he, he's not done media for so long outside of the last dance. Like he has that ability. Like he could tell stories that you're like, I've, you know what I mean? I've never heard this story. I've never heard this angle of this story. Whereas some of the guys who are like very accessible, you kind of have heard them all and you, you, you, you've gone through them all. So he does have that like wow factor. Yeah. I mean, it's a great move by NBC. Yeah. Great. But, um, I do. Can I do one quick baseball thing? Yep. Shout out, uh, hobby bias because,

uh, I'll say this right now. I think the Detroit tigers are gonna win the AL. I don't know if they can win the world series. There's some good teams in the NL. Hobby bias has, he basically was a joke for the tigers. The last few years, uh, there would always be these mashups of him striking out all the time. Uh, in the last, uh, 34 games he's hitting three 19, five home runs, 27 RBI is tonight. He had two home runs, including a walk off three run Homer. I'm happy for my guy. Javi. It's like a complete he was, you know, if you ask any tiger fan, they did not like hobby bias and he's hopefully this sustains. But in the last month, it's like he's recaptured something and come back to

the world is what the electrifying hobby bias was. Yeah, he's very fun to watch when he's playing well. When he's not playing well, it's very sad. Yeah. Yeah. So I just, you know, it's cool to see how have you doing well. Yeah. Yeah. No, I was saying Justin Turner had a walk off hit tonight, which was nice because he, we needed him to do something. Cubs are our guy, Kyle Stowers, who, uh, who we did an interview with a couple of the Marlins will release next week. He hit his eighth home run of this year. Dinger's only league. He's on the prospect list. He is for sure. Are the Cubs the kind of team that would, that would give an extension mid season? They, they, okay. So PFT, there has

been conflicting reports and one of the reports. So Jesse Rogers, who does a really good job locally in Chicago, has reported they have not talked about an extension. David Kaplan, who also does a good job who I know. I know both these guys are very good guys. He said the Cubs are wrapping their head around what an extension would look like, which means they haven't done shit. What does that mean? I did mean something. They own a baseball team. That's kind of like their only

real job is to wrap their heads around giving contracts. I think it's Tom Rick. It's literally looking in the mirror every morning being like you can do this, dude. You have a lot of money, but then he doesn't do it. But no, I don't. I think I think Kyle Tucker, unfortunately, will become a free agent and the Dodgers have already like put dibs on him. So that's going to suck. Yeah, that's tough. Just do an extension mid season. I agree to do it now. Like I do think

there's something to be said when you're negotiating in all of sports, you can get a little bit of a discount doing an extension in season because that is money in hand. It's not going to be a big discount, but you can, and you're the only team that can negotiate with him. You will not have that ability. Once he's a free agent, it makes no sense. It makes no sense. The guy's fucking 20 years old. He's everything you want in a, you know, like a superstar player and he's all right. People are going to get at me for the superstar thing. Superstar is a little different in baseball.

He's a very good. He's a very, very good baseball player. He's everything you want in a very, very good baseball player. Sign them right now. I like that. I know you hate the superstar conversation, but now I'm thinking how many superstars are there in baseball right now? I think baseball superstars are just different because they aren't, there's no household names. Like I don't do the same thing. Show Hayes. Yeah. But I'm saying I don't do the same household name thing with the NBA. Like there's like 20 superstar players in MLB. I know this makes no sense. People will say that I'm just changing the rules. I get it. I totally agree. It makes no sense in my

head. But like superstar in baseball, I just I throw it around a lot more willy nilly knowing that half of the guys no one will have heard of if they don't play in the market you live in. I think you can say he's our superstar. Yeah, I think with baseball, there's really there's probably fewer. There's probably three superstars. Yeah. Show. What was that? Bryce Harper World Series champion. Bryce Harper. Oh, wait. No. Um, we're talking about show. Hey, Bryce Harper.

Show. Hey, Bryce Harper. Soto, Aaron Judge. That feels right. Kyle Tucker's a star, not a superstar. I've corrected myself. That feels good. I don't think we're gonna throw Lindor in there. No, no, no, no. You already got one met in there. Let's not throw Lindor in there.

Shit on the Phillies last year. Schwab or maybe a Schwab or by the way, could he be the MVP? Should we start that conversation? He's playing well. Just like, and we listen, we don't have any bias here, but should we start that conversation? We can have the conversation. Home runs the most important.

Yeah. Everyone says it. Yeah. And I'll be like any writers listening right now have a vote. Start looking at Schwab. When you think about like legendary MLB people and people, you know, household names, it's mostly like home run hitters. Yeah, that's true. How sure hits home runs. Okay.

Should we kick it to ourselves? What everyone's waiting for? Any hockey? Well, we're going to talk about it with all with the ends, but the stars won again. We do get into an extended hockey talk with the end. So we are going to talk about it with all with the ends, but the stars won again. Yeah, we do get into an extended hockey talk with the end. So we are going to talk hockey today. The stars look great. And I found myself. I found myself during the game being like good for Dallas fans, which I have to beat out of my system.

I have to beat that out of my system because they got the number one pick in both drafts. But yeah, listen, originally I was thinking like I will feel good for Dallas fans until football season starts whenever anything good happens though, you know, because I did feel bad about the Luca thing. But now after you got the number one pick, I think they lose all the sympathy. 100%. They're they're they're clean and even. It's over. Cooper flag is is is going to be a star. It's clean and done. You're good. You actually I don't want to

say you could make the case that you upgraded, but we don't know what Cooper flag could be, but he is obviously younger and is in better shape than Luca. Like there's a chance you could have upgraded. There's a chance you could have ended this season after the lottery all said and done in a better spot than you were in January. Yep. So yeah, we don't feel bad anymore.

But yeah, good for the stars. They're awesome. But yeah, we're going to talk to Yans. We have Pablo Torre really fun interview with him and let's kick it to ourselves in studio where we talk Celtics, Knicks and everything else that's going on. Before we get back in studio, Stella Blue, this weather's heating up so stay cool with Stella Blue cold brew introducing our newest cold brew variety, Ms. Peach's Blend, 100%

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you have cold brew for the entire week. It couldn't be easier Still blue cold brew the miz peaches blend go right now still blue coffee use promo code PMT for 20% off orders of $25 or more. Okay Nick's 121 Celtics 113. I Was wrong. Yeah, I mean I thought that this was a 3-1 series to the Celtics I was way wrong and the Knicks came to play. They are a tough team. Jalen Brunson was awesome down the stretch and the whole game.

He ended up with 39. The Knicks, like half time, you're like, hey man this game is probably going to go the way that it's, you know, game 3 when Celtics were up. Jason Tatum was on fire. Uh, but Jalen Brunson in the end and they had the, they had the Knicks finally had like the even

scoring throughout where they're like cat chipped in OG, McHale bridges. They all ended up with 20 plus and they now have a three, one lead. And I was very impressed with the Knicks resolve. Also Jalen Brunson, like basically calling out the team and them answering, that was a leadership move. Like he, you know, people were like, oh man, he's calling them out after one loss, they're up two, one. No, he called them out and they all stepped up to the plate

and so did he. That's a leader. And Kat was feeling spicy last night too. Oh, so is that. So spicy. Did you see him after the game? He has a move that I've never seen that he does. He goes in for a one armed hug and then puts his other out or I'm out to the side like he's flying. Yeah, we does it just everything the guy does.

Yeah, I love watching him. Now. It was credit to the Knicks. They battled back. They seem to be in the same spot that they were down. But they are second half team to prove that you can't kill them. They never go away. How much do we put on the Knicks winning this game as opposed to the Celtics losing this game? I think the Knicks won this because I think that the Knicks the way they were playing in the second half really the entire second Half they they were the better team. Yeah for two quarters. Yeah, and then most important to court It wasn't like the Celtics shot horrifically bad from three. They weren't great from three, but they were you know, 37 37 and a half percent. That's not terrible. So yeah, I think I was very, very impressed with the Knicks resolve. This team, uh, the garden was alive and I think that's pretty much the recap of the game, Hank. Yeah. Let's talk caps. Uh, yeah, he's learning. You are

learning. So what's up, Hank? How we doing? The real story here is Jason Tatum went down with an injury. The Knicks were probably going to win this game anyway. I think at the time, the Knicks seemed to be the better team. But I mean, anything could have happened from that point on. But you can't put the injury, you can't blame the loss entirely on the injury. Yeah, he got injured with three minutes left.

The Knicks on the injury took a nine point lead. The injury was tough because it was a little bit of the Jalen Brown turning the ball over thing that you it's not his fault that Jason Tatum might have torn his Achilles. We don't we still have a report. I'm sure by the time people are listening, there'll be a report. What do you want to start with Hank? You want to start with that being down three one you want to start with Tatum? What do you want to start with Hank you want to start with that being down 3-1 you want to start with Tatum? What do you want to start with you want to start with Max? Max has nothing to do with this. Well something to do with this. He's a scumbag, but

It was a it was it was one of the worst nights as a sports fan in a long time same It we went from you from going into the game, even the first half we were kind of dominating, they quite couldn't miss. Felt like we were going to blow them out again, road to banner 19. And then within two hours, everything is in limbo. It feels like this version, like the championship team of the Celtics, we might never see play again. Everything's in limbo. What are you shaking your head, Max? I mean, unless Jason Tatum is okay, I think we can confirm you'll never see that team again.

Oh, so he's saying that he was shaking his head because you said might, and he's saying it's guaranteed. Hank, earlier today, when he says everything, he means everything. Like, he was questioning the entire team He's like, I don't know if they like Joe Missoula. I didn't say that He didn't say that. Okay, would you say I? Just said every like we obviously the the luxury it's more the luxury tax We knew going into the the playoffs like they were gonna have to move people around with the luxury tax There's I I'm I think the South X organization loves Joe Missoula. I'm not worried about that

There's you know Celtics fans that are throwing that out there. I don't agree with that at all I don't think the Celtics organization agrees with that at all Where I'm at right now is is just we have to win this series like the the offseason. Yes, we can win this series We have a bunch of champions on this team we still have the Eastern Conference finals MVP we have the finals MVP ready to go we've been up big in all you know four games of this series so I still think we can win the series and the offseason looks bleak especially depending on what the injury is who knows might just be a severely rolled ankle. We'll probably know by the time this podcast comes out, but I am just in complete

like procrastination, push off all the problems until the off season. So the longer we can go with this season, that's where my, my mentals are at is like, just, just fight, win the series, shut these stupid Knicks fans up. And then, you know, I think we could, I think this seems, I still think we could win the championship. But that's where I'm at, is just make it as far along the season as we can, because once the off season comes, a lot of things are going to change, and that's very sad.

Just got to win one game. Not just, like, one game at a time. Yep. So this is a very important game, and you're going to be there in person for it. I will be there in person. I need you to turn the series around. I'm going to do my best. Did you, I threw out a spin zone to you earlier this morning. You did not seem to. I don't even remember what you said. Okay. What I told, what I told Hank, and I actually think this is how you should be thinking. The reporting up until this point was that the Celtics and just

looking at the luxury tax, Celtics were gonna have to Make some changes this offseason right like they're gonna probably have to trade There's been talks about trading Jalen Brown. There's been talks about you know, I don't know how much Left drew holiday has on his contract But like there's gonna this Celtics the the team that won last year is not going to be the team that of this Celtics, the team that won last year is not going to be the team that starts the season next year. And it was gonna be hard decisions. If Jason Tatum towards Achilles, those decisions become a little bit easier where it's like, Hey, this is, we we've lost a year, but this is where the hard reset happens. Get under the luxury tax. It's almost like

the painfulness of breaking up a potentially championship team is not even going to be there because the championship team is not going to be there because Jason Tatum won't be playing for a year. Unless we were the championship. That's true. You got to keep winning. Like it almost took the whole like how could you trade this guy? How could you trade this guy out of it? Because it's like if this next year is lost, it's going to be a hard, I'm not thinking about next year. I'm not thinking about the off season. We still are in the playoffs. We're in a playoff series. We got out. We got to fight. We can't, you can't think about the off season. You're still in the playoffs.

You can win. You can, you can beat the Knicks without Jason Taney. Do you feel a little bit bad about provoking the garden? No, you did kind of poke the garden though. You did poke the garden. Do you feel a little bit bad about this entire playoffs just saying you don't feel bad about that at all? Nope. Wait, saying what? Saying that it was a foregone conclusion that they were in the finals. If anyone else, the finals, I want to be fair to Hank though, cause I've heard Hank say like six times, I still think we're on the finals. He always, he always always says barring injury True. He has said that a lot. Did he say that on this past episode? Cuz I don't believe I don't think I forget when he said I remember he said that at the beginning of the I've been saying That all regardless he's been saying it'll be down three almost too much where I've been like, why do you keep almost wishing injury on?

Let's also make that abundantly clear the Celtics lost that game before Jason Tatum. Yeah, that's we said that but like Barring injury they still would be down three one three one. Yeah, I'd agree with that. Thank We don't will never know that we won't get all right. Well, we did make that abundantly clear though max But I just wanted to make sure it's abundant or now I just wanted to make sure so it does suck the Jason Tatum Like got hurt. He's 27 years old. It's Achilles injury That's gonna be a year out Maybe but it sucks. It sucks for him It sucks for us because Jason Tatum was one of my favorite guys who like by all accounts great teammate great father

You know great player. It was fun to me It was fun to make fun of him for the trivial things. Yeah. Like, you know, like when someone gets hurt who you don't actually hate, you just like to, you know, poke your friends about the trivial things. It's like, damn, well, I didn't want that to happen to that guy. We were just kind of joking about the whole aura thing. Like that's a who what is or even mean.

So now I've now by the way, I was if anyone saw Timothy Chalamet without the Timberlands laced up. Yeah Do I know or do I know or they got you Hank Hank admit Timothy Chalamet with Kylie Jenner looking so fucking hot bonk me Timberlands not laced up had aura Yeah, I would say Stefan Diggs is right next to him also wearing Timbaland's not lace-up. He looked even better. Okay So you agree with that? So nobody's ever said that Stefan Diggs does not have or yeah We take if anything has too much or yeah wait to it

Do you will you take back your comment saying like how could you be the one fashion police and aura judge when I was? spot-on Sure. Okay. Thank you. Whatever. Do you remember like a couple days ago when we were talking about high tops on this show? Yeah. And I told you about the study. That's if you wear high top shoes, you're actually more likely to get an ankle injury. That's what laced up Tim's do. If you tie your Tim's up tight, it makes you more likely to have an ankle injury. Just something to think about. Hank, I hope it's an ankle injury. So I hope you're right about that. Just something to think about. Do you think, do you want to say anything about our gracious friend, Jerry O'Connell, who retired? Yeah,

he's a flip flopping pussy. Okay, he's he's unretired. He did unretired bar by the internet. So he said no backbone. Out of respect. Where is he? Where's he going to come on? No, he's actually not. Uh, did you want to come on? No, uh, Tom Brady retired and then unretired. Yeah. He said out of respect for stool, Presidente Hennies and the Celtics and especially Jason Tatum, Mr. Bing Bong will be taking a break for the remainder of this series. Appreciate all you all do bong. And then he an hour or no four hours later said after some thought of the Celtics win game five tomorrow Mr. Bing bong will will be back.

Flip flopper. Okay, so also shout out Jerry who sent me and PFT some very funny voice messages that all of them said afterwards not for air all cat. We'll just say that Jerry he's unveiled a new character. It's a private character that only me and big cat get to see. It's not Mr. Bing Bong anymore. It's Dr. Bing Bong. Dr. Bing Bong was making some great points last night

in the side chat. Till like midnight, I was laying in bed and Dr. Bing Bong had another report. Hank, I am a little bit worried about you though, because last night you said you weren't feeling good. And so I just wanted to make sure that you were feeling okay today health-wise. Yeah, I couldn't I couldn't get off the couch last night. Yeah, so I was willing to tape an emergency pod.

It felt like it felt like a time when we should have done emergency pod if we ever do it. Last night would have been a great time because so much stuff happened. I'd even taken an edible, but I was ready to lock it in and try to focus. Hank wasn't feeling good, unfortunately. I would have done it. Big Cat wasn't asleep. Yeah. Well, no, hold on. I threw out the idea to do an emergency pod right after all of it happened and I got no response. And then two hours went by and, and then it was like, oh, should we? It was like, well, the moment kind of is gone. They wanted it right away. I was the first one to say emergency pod. I was down. You said you were sick. I still down. Okay, I don't know if you did say you were down you say sick or down I don't think you ever did say you were down

I didn't say I was down but I if you'd asked me like can we do this? I would have said yes, we oughta show I would answer the bell were you down or were you sick? We down with the sickness. I was sick to my stomach. Yeah, I didn't know what the illness was but it was just I just had a Was just sick. I think you'll sick I've never said you were down I said if you said we're gonna see pod and then an hour after that PFT said for the record I'd be willing to do one and then you still never replied but because you said I'm in bed Well, that was a row at 11 o'clock. I if you said we're doing it. I would have said yes. Okay. Thank you Yes If you said we're doing it, I would have said yes. Okay. Thank you, Hank. You're welcome, Shane. You're welcome, Shane.

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You're welcome, Shane. You're welcome, Shane. You're welcome, Shane. You're welcome, Shane. You're welcome, Shane. You're welcome, Shane. You're welcome, Shane. And we weren't saying anything mean, but what I did say was that you have to admit it would be very, very funny if the Celtics went on to win the championship without Tatum. And then we could just continue to clown on Tatum in the future. I'm fine with that. Well, then I, I was like PFT, good point, but there'd be a funnier one. And that would be the Celtics getting to game seven and then Tatum miraculously coming back and then losing game seven in the finals. I just I would love I just want to beat New York. That's really where my mind one game

at a time New York one game at a time. I do feel like Hank my future is tied to your future because I think there's no chance that the Caps win game five if you don't win your game five. So it's one game I think the the series are gonna go the exact same way. Hank, do you have anything to say to Max? Because, well Max, you take the floor. The debate that has raged across the country in B-Vs. Tatum took an interesting turn last night. Tatum looked phenomenal last night.

He looked incredible. I was like ready to, I mean, he looked really good. He looked like a superstar last night and From experience I know that it it sucks when when your superstar player goes down and it looks like they're out for a year But I can help you I can like tell you how to maneuver this situation. Yeah, I've been there before I think that'd be helpful. It'd be really nice Okay, can you help him? I'm asking you do you want our would you would like to receive my help yes sure so this is how this is how you do it you got to just put your headphones back on

it's a golf the head you don't get to say sure your friend is trying to help you when you have this situation, you turn lemons into lemonade. Right. Yeah, you beat the Knicks. No, no, no, no, no. We're done. We're done with the Knicks. Oh no.

We're done. We're done with the Knicks. But again, if the Knicks, if the Celtics do end up winning, whatever. We're done with the Knicks. We'll cross that bridge when we get there. You can use this opportunity to get a good pick. Right. That's what I told them.

It's a good pick. Right. That's what I told them. It's a hard reset. If you look, if you look at the past of the sixers, when Joel and bead gets hurt since Joel and be in Jason Tatum are looking like similar players in this moment of their careers, you can, you can take years off. Wait, what's the high roll? Jason Tatum is a champion. Right. But as a team, next year, both of their statuses are up. Well, like MB didn't play this year Tatum's not gonna play next year. It's me, you know Maybe maybe maybe maybe I I hope that he comes back. I want that. I want that on the record I hope that I don't root for any injuries No, and and he looked so good last night and people were so mad that I tweeted that he looked good last night

He did people were so he was the best player on the floor. He was, well, uh, listen, he was on the floor. I think Jalen Bronson was on the floor. Tatum was the best player on the floor. That's another question. When do we talk about Jalen Bronson being a superstar? We were doing that. I think we've talked about that a lot. Yeah. I think that if they go to the finals, that will, it will be, we'll get close. I mean, he was incredible last night. Yeah, he was. He was insane. But if you ever want to talk, I'm here for you. Um, I've, I've been in your situation and beat Tatum, very similar players, you know, sometimes you just got to take a year off and reassess, reassess as a franchise and hope the lottery ball works out. You could

have a top three pick next year. Think about that. Think about that. No, we're, I'm not thinking about the off season. I'm not thinking about next year. I'm focused on the Knicks. So if you lose on Wednesday night with you on the wood, you'll then be ready to address these things? Yeah. That's not going to happen though. Okay. I actually do think the Celtics are our for sure gonna win game. Yeah for sure So Hank what I mean sucks if you lose a guy in the prime of his career for a year That's I mean KD that happened to him like that's he came back. He was okay. Kobe came back There are some bad studies about kill his injuries and like oh no have you been reading don't look at that don't look at the bad just don't look at

the bad ones dude Tatum's young that that actually this is like Tatum is young enough that like whole come whole miss a year come back and still be under 30 like you can't say that about a lot of these injuries yeah yeah it is crazy though because it just shows how like fleeting sports are where it's like the window is open but then it could just jam shut and like in the blink of an eye yeah I mean like there's not the Derek Rose one is similar like there's not not a lot of I mean Aaron Rodgers without is the beginning of the year and a new team like the you know franchise if there's not a franchise future probability but it's like the, we

went from, you know, things looking towards a championship to, like I said, it's like everything. If you were worried about the off season, which I'm not, but when that time comes, everything's up in the air and it just changes everything. Like in a blink of an eye and you're like, what the fuck? I I thought it was gonna go this way and it went a Completely different way. Yeah, the good news is you've got a really good team You still have a lot of good players. We got a guy you've got some good players really good players Agreed right. I think we're gonna be the next are you gonna be the Pacers. Are you mad at anyone? No

No one God. No one you're mad at God. Okay, I spoke to God. I Haven't I'm wearing a fight Release the graphic Hank and God Currently in a fight. It's complicated Friendship stat or status update. Are you ghost complicated ghosting God? Yeah, okay status update? Are you ghost? Are you ghosting God? Yeah. Okay. Do you like I feel like people were pretty respectful online last night because it's like Jason Tatum again, he's like we

make jokes about the aura, but that's such a trivial thing. He's a great player and it sucks to see a great player go down. Yeah. Yeah. Were there any scumbags out there? Oh yeah. I mean, it's fucking New York fans are the biggest scumbags out though? Yeah, I mean it's fucking New York fans the biggest scumbags I saw some some Nick fans that had some very classy takes though Yeah first person that I saw that with a take on it was Stephen Che who was all class saying as a Knicks fan You hate to see an injury like this. Yeah, so I think the the loudest voices were actually the good ones this time So that was nice to see yeah Yeah, I mean, there's no one to really be mad about it. It's a freak injury. It's a bad injury non-contact He's missed one playoff game in his career

He's you know, mr. Durability and to go out like this is is tough, but it's it's still a team game We're still in the series Got a win game five got a win game six got a win game seven chase says as a Knicks fan I hope Jason Tatum isn't really hurt He's he's having an incredible game and I want to was that say I want to win this series against a healthy Celtics team And then he also went on to say I think Jason Tatum injured his Achilles here Dr. Bingbo, hopefully not torn. Mm-hmm. What that that was a hot take from Stephen. Chase. Yeah, no, he did it like an hour after. Yeah. Are you mad at Rick Pitino?

Yeah, I mean, Rick Pitino, that was, I might have lashed out there. Yeah, he's a recurring guest. Yeah, he's a recurring guest, but he was a fucking Celtics coach, and he tweeted after the game, like, there's nothing better than being in the garden with Knicks fans and watching the Knicks win disgusted me.

Yeah, well, he's recruiting The garden is where he plays a lot of home games. Yeah trying to pump up the garden Yeah, but yeah, I tweeted fuck this guy. I Was mad. Yes, I was in a tough. I was I was sick. I was a sick tweet Yeah, that was you never want to tell people what would you say? What would you take me right now? If Tatum didn't get injured you're down 3-1 Well, we might not be down 3-1 Okay, let's just let's pretend that if we had lost that game. I

Would just say it's it's load up load up the clip get the Uzis ready grenades what Celtics and seven we've we've we've Kind of dominated series Okay. All right. Here we go. We're still the better team. We're still the better team. I love it.

We're still the better team. I love it. I would still like our chances. I still like our chances. You've dominated. I said we've kind of dominated. Oh, sweetie pie. But yeah, Jason Tatum wasn't hurt.

I feel great about the series. Yeah. Regardless of what the Score was. You guys have been owning the Knicks And it hasn't been close. Yeah The Knicks are either playing I was very I Jim Brown's is a stud. I thought the Knicks were Kale Bridges is a stud. Yeah, they're both he just hit a fucking 10 trillion like eight footers I I thought the Knicks were gonna be dead and Yeah, very wrong. What last question for you? At any point last night, did you think of max and be like I fucking hate his guts

No, I don't think about max okay, I feel like that might be a lie. I don't know When something like yeah, you guys were reveling in injuries and I didn't say anything. No, no, no, no, no that did not happen when something like yeah, you guys were reveling in injuries and I didn't say anything no no no no no that did not happen when something like this happens I understand that Hank you you have to go into a hole you have to you have to retreat into your own hole I've done this and and just block everything sad everything sucks if you have a superstar that gets hurt It's not a good place to be in we tried to respect your boundaries last night No, you didn't you kept adding me back to the. I did, but that's just because we're a team. I said, did you guys see shallow may at the game?

Max said, aura, you left the conversation that had nothing to do with, with Tatum at all. No, it did. Cause you remember Tatum that were, Oh, I guess the aura part, but I was just commenting about shallow may. Yeah. I didn't want to. I didn't want to. I don't want to be in that conversation anymore. So I left. OK. You didn't respect that.

Well, I mean, we have we plan stuff on the show and stuff like that. We need you here. Like, what if you miss an important text? Yeah. I think Celtics are going to win this series. I think we're going to win game five. I think I know about I don't know about games. I think Joe Masula, Joe Masula is Mazzulli is locked in right you go Hey fired up Joe Mazzulli is gonna be watching. He's gonna watch Troy

He's gonna put Troy on non-stop and be like this is how you respond from Achilles injury Remember when they came back three two against the Sixers yep Think about do think about Hank close your eyes and think about the moment that you're on the wood on Wednesday night and Joe Mazzulli the moment that you're on the wood on Wednesday night and Joe Missoula locks eyes with you and gives you a little nod being like, it's fucking on. He's going to come right up to you and be like, we're going to win this whole fucking thing. Yeah. And you're going to come.

Come. You are. Everywhere. For you, Hank. Yeah. Not for me. It's for the city. Believe in Boston.

Yeah. Don't give up the ship. That's the mentality you gotta have. Means you are a Kn in Boston. Yeah, that's a mentality. That's mentality. Uh, you are a Knicks fan Yeah, congrats. This is it. This is an incredible podcast Are you enjoying yourself? Yeah, what do you have anything to say about the game or Hank or anything? I just love Jalen Bronson, Mikhail Bridges And og okay, and would you if you could magically heal Jason Tatum would you do it? Yes absolutely That's you. What do you think about Hank's claim that the Celtics are dominating the series kind of I said sure Still three one, but whatever floats your boat doesn't matter mm-hmm

You were so happy Sunday That's mean. That's I just want I I that's why I just want to beat memes I Just want that happy guy around you are so happy I feel like memes hasn't even said anything to you I don't care, but it's it's the thought of things He's could say memes is the idea of me. Yes, right knows me what means is thinking right? That's what Hank That's why I thought maybe he was mad at you max because he knew what you were thinking last night I had some thoughts you share a couple it I

hate It's it does it truly truly does suck that Jason Tatum got hurt I'm not I'm not getting when I say that it would it was fun to watch it was fun It was a fun narrative, but it was really tough that for the past week I've had a million people say that he's Iron Man and that he's never missed a game and then that's why he's so much better than Embiid and then literally three days later, done. Same thing that happens to Embiid. Injuries happen. Injuries do happen. Hank? It's true. it can't really defend that it's he's not Do I get any thoughts and prayers for cashing out of my next future like I feel like last night that was

That was a bad night for me last night. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's pretty really bad I didn't leave the group chat though, although that's kind of the the cash out I would give you more thoughts and person because I already used my one thought thought and prayer the caps and the wizards You you only dated that future for a day. It was I think it was too If you've been married to that future for a couple months I would have been like oh my god PFT I feel so bad you barely you you had a one-night stand with it was hot and heavy for a couple days It was a one-night stand with a great morning after and then yeah, I had to get out of town here

Well, you were like watch a magic trick. Here's how I can automatically lose 10% of my money Yeah, but I did it was one of those cash outs where you feel awesome about cashing out of it Yeah, like that's a smart choice for the future turns out it wasn't so yeah last night I mean I was a victim too, so I get it Yeah, and I was a victim too. So I get it. Yeah, and I was a victim too, because like I said, I like harmlessly joking about Jason Tatum's aura was fun. And it's gone. No, we can't do it.

The whole debate was fun. Yeah, it was a fun debate. It was a good debate. And it was eerily prescient, Max. It was you looking into the future and truly understanding the pulse of the NBA. Yeah, people are so I like I tweeted Tatum looks really good tonight because I was just preparing to like have to eat my work. I mean I was preparing for this for this episode and then a bunch of Celtics fans saw that

tweet and thought that I tweeted it after he got hurt and then I was getting checked the timestamps and then I was getting debt. Well I have that one that I've muted that was just like Tatum is on fire or rising Yeah, it's like maybe 20 minutes before the injury and then and then the other moment was everyone was just like this is your fault You you put his embedes state you put your embedes stink on Tatum. No, you did do that. That's a fair Yeah, and also I understand that like when a injury like that happens Fans got to find a place. You got to blame someone. I don't go somewhere Yeah, I saw one thing that was being blamed and I agree with it

We could do with less of the cameras in the tunnels when guys are on wheelchairs. Yeah, I didn't they're crying I don't I didn't need to see Tatum like in like probably not only a painful moment But like a moment where he's realizing his next season might be done. I feel bad for the guy. He was having a moment where the world was crashing in on him. We don't need to see that. Like have a little bit of respect for the guy at that point. Because there is obviously, I can't relate at all to a professional athlete in terms of injuries, but anyone who's been injured in anything knows that it's like the injury happens, there's the immediate ow, it's pain,

and then the moment of like, shit, I'm gonna be injured for a while now. That's like, it's devastating. Yeah, thinking about what the injury means for your future. Right, right. It's a crisis that you go through. I didn't wanna see that. I didn't wanna see him crying and all that stuff.

I'd agree. It was bad. So we hope Jason Tatum gets, hopefully we get good news because I do not wanna see him injured. I want to see Jason Tatum come back, maybe more than anybody in this podcast, so that we can make fun of him. Yeah Oh, if it was just an ankle roll imagine that Hank. I would love that. Yeah, cuz you would eat all those jokes. Yeah. Yeah When Trevor Lawrence remember when he he was embarrassed

Yeah, like you're fine. He just embarrassed that he was crying Ricky Bobby fake on fire. It might be in his head, right? That'd be great Okay wolves warriors This series feels over. I don't know how there's no report though. That makes no sense to me We'll keep your keep keep looking we'll get one It might be fine the wolves warriors game

The Warriors had a lead at halftime again, they just do not have enough often they just they just run out of stuff. They run out of ideas. They their ideas work great for an half. And then they Yeah, they can't rely on mucking it up and getting mid range and all this stuff. They can't. Four quarters is too much for them to do that. And Jimmy Butler fighting though, Jimmy Butler, who I think was under the weather going into the game, it was very clear the Wolves were like,

all right, defensively, if we just pack the paint and don't let Jimmy Butler score on floaters and drives the basket and make him pass the ball out to the three point line, they can't beat us. And that proved out to be true because they couldn't really hit shots from three. And Anthony Edwards was awesome again and Julius Randall was awesome again these two like together I mean we're a wooing we're wooing yeah

listen I I whoo they're a very very fun team and then with McDaniel's just cleaning up the glass just yeah and glass all day yeah they they are gonna be very very tough to be I don't see the war I don't think the Warriors can beat them without stuff not even a single game, I wish I wish we had stuff in this series because it would be a lot more fun And I mean the Warriors are keeping these games relatively cool at the end of the game again They almost covered again in a crazy fashion So like it looks like it was a seven-point game It really wasn't in the second half because the wolves just jumped right all over him in the third quarter

But yeah, I I'm impressed with with the Timberwolves. I think they're a very good team I just wish we could see Steph similar to Jason Tatum. You just don't want to see really good guys get hurt I'm impressed with cominga though Yeah, maybe fool's gold. What do you mean? I don't know he's a weird one because he's He has really good games and he has bad games But he also has he's one of those guys think he's in his fourth year where he's been like in and out of the doghouse so it's like how much is it his confidence and I Don't know. I I can't figure out coming. He was pretty efficient though

Yeah, you know I guess I like he was trying to get out of the doghouse and then trying to like shoot his way out Well, I'm gonna get my points Well, he's he the doghouse is irrelevant now because he has to play you can't afford to have a dog. Right, right I'm saying like in the course of his career He's had a very up-and-down like one one step forward two steps back kind of feel But maybe this is maybe this is where he fully steps forward is like oh, yeah He can be a real option for them. How many guys did they play last night? Let's see 123456714 1050 Yeah, yeah, 14 guys. Yeah, 14 guys saw the court. Yeah, they're trying

everything. And then and the wolves are down to their eight eight man rotation that works. And yeah, wolves are really good. All right. PFT you are down. Hank, are you still with us? You're just looking for Tatum updates? He's locked in on the caps. Who was that with caps? Yeah, they suck. Their offense is terrible.

It's fair. These are fair points. You're down 3-1. Down 3-1. We talk about it in a little bit more depth with Yandel, but it's been no fun to watch this series at all. And it's a to compliment the Hurricanes, they just, they have a way of sucking the soul out of you when you play hockey where you just can't get into the zone. That's the most frustrating part of watching a team that should be good on offense, not even being able to get the ball or the puck into their zone. It's hard to watch. It's very frustrating. They're getting more chances on our power plays than we are. their shorthanded opportunities are better than ours So it's looked it's looked pretty bad yesterday was one of the worst days in Washington sports that you could ever draw

Yeah it was really really bad dropping to six with the Wizards and the in the draft and Then and then the caps going out there and just doing nothing for two periods the caps just need to score first That's that's that's my theory is just take advantage of the early game opportunities Put a puck in the net not a ball put a puck in the net and then see how the game goes from there Because you can't play from behind against the Hurricanes. Yeah, uh We should talk about the lottery. So crazy

the Mavs win the lottery 1.8% chance to win the lottery of it was a coin flip with the Bulls. So they had the same record. The coin flip, the Mavs get 1.8 the Bulls get 1.7. Now I don't think I saw some people being like that was if it's if Boozaless doesn't hit the buzzer beater against the Lakers, the Bulls get the number one pick I'm gonna say the Mads were getting the number one pick no matter what yeah It's not how it works like they had a point one percent better chance of getting the overall number one pick than you did But I guess they won the coin toss their numbers would have been our numbers

Maybe I don't know how I don't know if you like swap numbers at that point so we swap one You they probably get one extra number right so we were yeah were yeah true. Good point. That makes you feel better Yeah, so it's not like that really good that determined everything. Yeah. Yeah, that's a really good point the uh, so we we got credentialed and we were at the lottery We might have we might have gotten got we're suckers. We're suckers. So I'm a sucker So shout out to the NBA very nice of them. They let us get credentialed, which we don't get credentialed for anything. Well, you guys wanted to get credentialed. That's the only thing I'll say. You guys are saying you got used, but no, we didn't get used. We are suckers because we went, we wanted to go, we got dressed up. There's a video coming out. I had to leave early because it

was my son's birthday, but PFT and Max stayed for the actual lottery like reveal but we got there dressed like idiots in suits credentials which like we are we are we're six year olds they hand us a fucking picture of ourselves on a laminated card with a lanyard on and we all like holy shit this is cool and I'm just walking around Look at this credential hit the buffet Yeah Did the whole thing did the behind-the-scenes tour the minutes feel special going into the room so the way the draft lottery works Out is there's there's two rooms for everything one room is where the real shit happens And that's where they have all the numbers up on the wall

That's where the guy from Ernst and Young is supervising everything That's where they do the drawing. And then after they do the drawing, they take the results in like a briefcase and they bring it out to the main room where they announce it to the world. So everybody that is supervising the draft lottery as it actually happens in the real secret room, they get their cell phones taken away. It's like a conclave. They get locked in there. They're electing the Pope. Yeah. And they don't get their cell phones back until after it's been broadcast to the world and then they take the results out

That's where you see Hakeem Elijah Juan. That's where you see bub Carrington. That's where see Jared McCain representing their teams is when they make that announcement after it's already happened and We got the tour behind the scenes. We saw the official lottery ball machine that they have. Yep, which wanted to buy it I told Maxis but when you looked at that my first thought was I would love to smoke out of this thing Yeah, you could turn that into a sick-ass bong. I want to blaze up out of there. Yeah, okay. Yep. Thanks, Hank and Being behind the scenes we talked to them for a little bit. We started to make some jokes I took out $80 in my pocket. I was like I got 80 bucks if you rig it for the Wizards

I took out a lot and then big cat opened up his wallet took out some money too And they were like okay guys time for you all to go you behaved yourself for a little bit Then we hit the buffet which was underwhelming to say the least And we had a very interesting conversation before the actual lottery itself Mm-hmm. I think he was head of PR for the NBA really nice guy she really nice guy came out and talked to us and Explained to us the history of why the media is now welcome at the draft lottery because he used to see it behind the scenes and then he was like man we got to get the media out here because

If they really saw how this is done, they would know that it was impossible to rig this thing, right? It's unriggable and he was laying it on thick. He was doing a lot of unriggable talk Yep to us and we were eating it up. I still am eating it up. Oh, we were shut the fuck up We were eating it up. I'm still like and then how the way this like how could how could you possibly? How could you do that? How could you rig it? That's rigged. I don't think it's rigged. I believe what that guy. Max did eat the most of the buffet. It was the buffet.

I ate zero of the buffet. PFT ate the most of the buffet. We did. It was funny because then afterwards when the Mavs get the first pick, I texted the guys and was like, did we? Why were we there again? And then like, oh yeah. We asked to be there.

I know, but then they had us talking about how unriggable it is and they gave us food and a lanyard and everything. I'm sure they got pissed off that, that everyone says that it's rigged. I'm sure they're very happy with the outcome of the draft. Correct. But I'm sure that it gets, that it does get annoying if they put in all of this work for it not to be rigged and then everyone just says this is rigged. Well then they should rig it to make it not rigged. They should rig it so the worst teams get it. Here's what they rigged.

You're just upset because you didn't get it. Obviously. Yeah. Obviously. Well, I thought about this last night because it sucked at the Wizards. Really what was on the line for me, I had a 14% chance of becoming a Wizards fan last night and the numbers did not hit and I was excited about rooting for the Wizards again So now it's back to the drawing board for me, but then I thought you know, I got enough on my plate

I don't need to hear about the Wizards. It's just as For scum would say good. That's one less thing. Yeah, so I'm okay with it back to not caring about the Wiz for me Yeah, but it was it's crazy I'm I'm in one part happy for Mavs fans because they have gone through hell and Mavs fans did not trade Luca. Yeah. You know, so Mavs fans, I'm pumped for it.

They actually deserve it. Nico Harrison, that fuck, does not deserve it unless it's rigged and he worked out a deal with the NBA, which you could tell me that, you could convince me not. Not rigged. I'd buy that. GM of the year. Yeah, GM of the year. He just knew how this is all gonna play out

But max it you have to admit that there have been some interesting lotteries Have they're not yeah. No for sure. I've seen Patrick Ewing the Cleveland the Derrick Rose to Chicago, then you go to the the 2011 LeBron makes the decision 18 months later The Cavs get the number one pick the 2012 the Hornets not shopping Luca not shopping Luca a clandestine trade 2012 the Hornets who are now the Pelicans get the number one picks the pick a Few months after trading Chris Paul, which the NBA technically owned the team when they traded Chris Paul Then a new owner comes they whoa, they get the Anthony Davis pick 2014. LeBron goes back to Cleveland. They get the number one pick. They get to trade it for

Kevin love 2019. The Pelicans trade Anthony Davis to the Lakers. They get Zion Mavs 2025. They trade Luca to the Lakers. They get Cooper flag. It's interesting. I also feel like there's plenty of plenty of stories where it's like the most boring team, like the Pella. Yeah, but that's not what we do here. Max Max. Here's where you're wrong. Here's where they pay you. Here's where you can pick and choose. I know very nice. They're very nice. Yeah. Yeah. You're very happy with how things turned out for your sixers. Very, very happy. Of course. Also not rig, but you can pick the buffet whore. I did not touch the buffet. He was inside of that buffet. Yeah. We have it on camera. The only thing that you only think I ate in the face when you fed me the

yogurt who was just put it on my face. Who was the cameraman? That was me. But you put the interesting you put the yogurt in my face Who's editing the video? Pug oh well you were the cameraman interesting now to be fair to max it He might not have touched the buffet, but they only had healthy options at this buffet Yeah, the buffet it was like I said subpar was like grilled chicken Quinoa couscous a lot of stuff that max doesn't know how to pronounce much less eat mm-hmm So he did yeah, it is true.

You didn't touch the health stuff. But when you when you look at the teams where are the examples where it has been rigged, quote unquote, you do find a lot of superstars coming out of the tops of those drafts. Yeah, like you might rig it when it when it matters and you don't rig it when it doesn't really matter. I'm saying I tend to believe the guy when he says that's not rigged. He had a great, great way about them. Good mannerisms. They were nice enough to bring us behind the scenes. But also that shit's fucking rigged and I fucking hate it.

And there should be an investigation. It's every sports conspiracy theory. We're like, if you had a gun to my head and you're like, you have to say yes or no, was this rigged? I would say no. But is life more fun when you can explain the crazy outcomes of things by saying rigged? Yeah, it's way more fun. And there's- Just yell rigged out loud, it's fun. It was a big night too for people that don't really have

a firm concept of probability to just throw out numbers out there. So I had some people telling me that since 2008, there have been five teams that had a 3% chance or less to win the lottery that have won the lottery. So that is something that should happen 3% of the time, but it's happening 29% of the time. That's not really the case because there's a lot of teams that have like 3% or less. And when you add up all their odds together, it becomes like they actually have, I don't know what it is

20% 30% chance right like the Bulls got the pick that they were supposed to get the Hawks got the pick They were supposed to get yeah And if you have nothing changed with those if you have under the new lottery system if you have a bunch of teams that Are like 3% 2% 1% you add up all those percents together and it's like oh, yeah There's like a 30% chance that one of the teams with bad odds is going to get the top pick, right? Not individually, like not, uh, like the, for example, the mavericks, there was not a high percentage that they would get the first pick, but there was a reasonable percentage that one of the bad teams could move up. But it was like every, and you know who really made out like a bandit in all this? We're not talking about them.

San Antonio Spurs. They got the number pick. They're flying under the radar because the Mavericks are taking all the heat. Yeah. But what you just said is a good point because I do think that the the NBA were, they were trying to fix a problem and they've made it kind of worse because they were trying to fix the tanking problem by flattening the odds a few years ago, which they did, where it was now instead of whatever it used to be, it's now 14% is the highest you can get odds. I don't think that works because I still don't understand how a lower market team can get better other than through the draft. And you have to, I get it, you don't want tanking, but it feels like there's even more teams tanking. There was like half the Eastern Conference wasn't

playing at the end of the at the end of the season. Yeah. If you're the Wizards, how do you get better? Right. How do you get better? How do you get better? Yeah. I think the Wizards may be a little bit different because they do have it is technically a big market in DC, but they don't. It's not like a rabid fan base. Right. But you're the Hornets. You're like you're you're the Pelicans. How do you get better? Yeah. You have to get draft. You have to just hit on Steph Curry in the draft. Right. If you find a guy that slips a little bit

and he develops into being somebody that nobody expected, that's one way to do it. But that's very, very rare to do. It's hard to get a free agent. I just don't know what else the Wizards can do right now. And if you're a Wizards fan, you're feeling pretty bad about yourself right now because your only solution that you have is, well, it looks like another shitty year where we

win 20 games and then we have to rely on a lottery ball that's going to bounce our way to get a player that might end up making a difference for us down the line. Right. There's really not a lot, not a lot that you can do. I had the theory, tell me if this is dumb, big cat. If you're the Wizards front office, do you pick up that phone? And do you call Nico? And do you say just take it take a flyer? Nico, we will offer you the number six overall pick for the number one overall pick and see what he says? Yeah, like

definitely. There's a the chance isn't zero that he says yes. Yeah, there's a small chance. No, you got to you got to just frame it in a way of like hey Nico if You pick the one if you take the one overall pick and he ends up not being good You could get fired. You're dead if you take the six overall pick People don't really expect a lot from that player You could be good, dude. And if he's if he's you know, a solid rotational guy, yeah, then people be like damn Nico knows how to find him Mm-hmm. That's diamond in the rough. Anyone can pick cooper flag. I could pick cooper flag right now who what is the uh,

Outcome you guys are rooting for the most. I it's for me, it's uh, somehow the nico trades The lakers the number one pick and gets luca back gets luca back just a place holder The Lakers the number one pick and gets Luca back gets Luca back just now He's funny also I think the funniest one and I don't want this to happen for Mads fans But it would be very funny if he's like Cooper flags bad on defense and takes you know, it's Bailey. Yeah, it's like he's just like yeah I'm zagging on that. I also the problem that is Cooper flag is really good. Yeah, he's yeah. I know I'm saying

It's not real. It's just I mean, Lucas also really fucking good at basketball and Nico traded him. I do think that the honest thing is interesting because he honest did say that he wants to play in the state with no income tax reportedly. And would that I think they the Bucks would absolutely do that trade right? Yeah, in a heartbeat. That I don't know. I don't know what the fair compensation is. But like, if you're the Bucks and you're like, hey, we're not gonna win with the honest but we can get Cooper flag and reset everything. And the math would be

an immediate with Yanis. Yeah, and Anthony Davis and will Kyrie's out to Kyrie have an Achilles too. He did. Yeah. So I could see Eric Adams lobbying the state of New York to be like, just suspend income tax for a year so we can sign Giannis. Yeah, for play. Why doesn't the state do that for players? Yeah, just all athletes.

I imagine that that would get people very upset. Not if they won. That's true. Then they'd be very happy. All right, so before we do Hot Seat Cool T-Rone, show of hands, rigged or not rigged who thinks it is rigged rigged I do memes. Do you think it's rigged? No. Oh, so the booth boys all lotteries are fair. Oh Okay, I'll sports. Okay. They give you memes. Okay. I want to give credit to max though

So when they were announcing the order At one point Kevin Negande, he said that the Sixers are now, they've fallen out and they will not get a what, top six pick? Top six pick. Top six pick. And immediately, immediately, the second that he said that, Max goes, that's not true. That's not true. I looked back at the footage.

I did not say it immediately. Hand up, I did not say it immediately. It was sooner than anybody else said it. Because I was looking puzzled because it didn't make sense. He said the Sixers have fallen out of the top six at like... That was a sad cow. Tatum underwent surgery to repair torn right Achilles tendon. Catastrophic season ending injury for one of NBA's young faces and Celtics with a long rehab awaiting He did they do surgery that fast. I thought they do let swelling go. It's with the knee I think with the heel it might be different. Oh fuck. I

Mean he could be back for the end of next year It's like a year, right just worry about about the next thing. So any statement now? How much of like percentage wise were you like this? This is just fine. The longer it was going. That's that's mean. I know. I know. Cause poor Zingas went down. I mean obviously it was a little bit different, but he went down in the heat series last year. Yeah. And he was looking weird. Like it was an Ach little bit different, but he went down in the heat series last year Yeah, and he was looking weird like it was an Achilles. Yeah, but he was fine This is bullshit if they already did the surgery they they must have known like this morning Why are you last night? Why are they just reporting this now?

The injury report goes out at four. Oh Yeah, you within Achilles, you know pretty much immediately Yeah, but I feel like it's just mean means well Stephen Che was the one who really knew it Yeah, I said well he said he thinks thanks. He's like. I think this isn't I'm sorry Hank that sucks Yeah, it does I'm sorry fucking a man fuck man don't fuck this guy Just gotta beat the next you got to beat Knicks mm-hmm you got this man, thanks So congrats Max I'm very happy that you got the number three overall pit Yeah, wait so max yelled out right away is like well

It was there was a pawn max's re-examining of the video there was like a gap But he was the first person I heard say it and it was pretty quickly after after they made the mistake on the broadcast and I kept I kept making fun of Max I'm like no you didn't you loser you dropped out you loser I think he meant to say the wizards but somebody in his ear told him that the Sixers dropped and he repeated it because then they cut to commercial and he was like what the fuck was that he was like mad at somebody in production he wasn't like mad I think he was just like what like what the fuck was that he was like mad at somebody in production. He wasn't like mad I think he was just like what what what the hell just happened there because someone was definitely

Because he did know it was not the Wizards because he did say the Sixers will lose their pick So there's they were the only team that that like could have happened to yeah, so it had to it had to have been That someone was just wrong about the reporting of what happened. Which is crazy, because they said it after the ninth pick, which didn't make sense because their spot wasn't up yet. So in my head, I was like, this doesn't make sense unless someone already knew that and told him

before they were supposed to tell him. But then when the seventh pick came out and it wasn't the Thunder, it was like, no, then the Sixers keep their pick because that was the only way that we were going to lose it. Yeah. All right, well, I'm sorry, PFT. It's okay.

Good job, Max. Coin flip didn't go my way and NBA rigged. Very rigged. Not rigged. I do not think that. Not do not think I think that the Mavs were gonna get it anyway So thank you for the very nice people that showed us around yesterday. Yes, very nice Maybe not rigged, but if it was rigged, this is exactly how they would have rigged it exactly how they'd rig it exactly There's probably another team that they could have no Mavs.

Not really. Mavs. Do the math, Max. Do the math, Max. Bulls. You don't think that they would like the Bulls? No, because LeBron. What?

Because LeBron. LeBron needed a solid young player. He needed a superstar on his team. So the Mavericks send Luke over and in exchange the Mavericks, they get the number one overall pick. The Eastern Conference is going to be a joke. No what he's saying is the Bulls because they want the big market. I think we'll get one eventually. But we've been saying that how many years in a row have Bulls fans be like they're going

to rig it in our favor. Well because they because that's the only hope you can have when they can't tank properly. So we haven't had odds that have been like I think that if the Bulls were the worst team, we would just get the first pick, but they just can't. It's crazy. And the Mavs, you know, Mavs fans did deserve this. It's also crazy that the Mavs had won the play-in. Yeah.

That this wouldn't even be a conversation. Correct. Correct. I hate the play-in. Also, credit to Pug. He had a great take. He hit us up last night. He said, yeah, but imagine if they kept Luca and got the number one overall pick, how much, how much cooler that team would have been. We're like, no pug. They would not have gotten a lottery pick if they still had Luca. Yeah. I had to tell them right away. It's like Luca on the team probably

isn't in the lottery. He's like, Oh shit, but it would have been cool. Luca and Cooper flag would have been sick. Real sick. All right. True to hot seat, cool drone. Hank, are you still with us? Physically. He's down so bad. You got to get to it. You're sitting on the wood, dude. And we're going to talk more hockey with the ends. Uh, we're going to talk about every series in depth. And then we've got Pablo Torre. Hot Seat Cool Throne brought to you by our friends at Body Armor.

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Body armor, choose better. Hank, hot seat, cool trunk. My hot seat is the course. Oh yeah. I had this as well. Uh, PGA championship is this weekend. It's at quail hollow and quail hall. It's in Charlotte. There has been some, uh, quotes from players who are you know coming at the course pretty pretty hard. Hunter Mahan Mahan said Quail Hollow is like a Kardashian. Modern, beautiful, and well-kept but it lacks a soul or character. That's harsh. Who's more mad Quail hollow the course or the Kardashians. Mm-hmm I don't know the diss on this kind of feels like you're provoking the course though. Yeah

What is the deal with what's the what's the issue with the course? It's a Bombers paradise. There's no real penalty for Missing fairways like if you can hit it far, so you're gonna be fine. So Rory Bryson Scotty the Bombers Scotty obviously always This course sounds awesome. Yeah, that sounds like the perfect course a Bombers paradise Well, you would say that as a terrorist Justin Thomas gave some other insight like hitting bomb who's one? You didn't get it Max. I get it. It's okay the Hamas picture of you at the white yeah, yeah a bomber's paradise

Yeah, I that's so that's so long ago. So you get so you get 72 virgins after you finish around Yeah, Justin Thomas also to give some more insight said I feel like a place like this where it doesn't necessarily require a lot of thought or Strategy off the tee. It's generally pulling out driver and just I need to hit this as far as and as straight as possible Mm-hmm. So Bryson Yeah, so Bryson's the play Bryson roar. Yeah, that's what you would be led to believe. It's also been raining there So it's gonna be soft conditions. Do you guys like that? The PGA moved? No, no, I don't either no It should be US open. Yeah, US open should be right now or I guess it would be in a couple weeks But yeah, and it is a couple weeks. It's in June. I

Believe so. Yeah, I like to finish with PGA. I like that ending. I don't know why they did this. I agree So the courses courses on the hot seat, it's gonna be getting a lot of scrutiny this weekend Do it the groundskeepers though. They're like Cam Newton like okay. All right I see what you're saying. They're gonna fuck with the course a little bit They said that about the this this course in Philly they put this week in the cricket club They said because it was older that you know it was designed Before everyone could hit bombs so that because it's so short there's gonna be very low scores, but that didn't happen So I used to valet at that club. Oh just cool. Just a little fun fact for everyone at home

There's one fact I do like though the Quail Hollow, the 16 through 18 is called the Green Mile. That's kinda cool. Yep. Cause it's like really tough I guess. The end of the course. Yeah. Do you have a pick?

No. Brooks. Speeth. Oh man, he's so down bad. He doesn't even like golf anymore. I'd like to see Speeth win. Brooks Brooks obviously what's that? What's that memes? Game five thank you. I came five. Oh, yes. I'm saying I'm not yeah, he's good one one thing at a time But what if game five doesn't go your way you're gonna have?

full weekend of golf Yeah But that's not gonna happen if the Celtics lose Hypothetically game five how quickly do you check out on the rest of the NBA playoffs? Immediately immediately the weather is gonna be so nice. Oh Yeah, I don't I could care less who wins care less We're golfing on Thursday. We that's not true. You're gonna be so anti-nicks What happens if the Celtics lose are you gonna golf with me on Thursday still? We'll see. I don't know. Yes, okay

Okay, ah this Now feels mean My cool throw is fat diabetes cat what Big cat Wasn't last show the show before said you're going to do what a full reassessment reassessing on your health. Okay. Uh, and then which I have done, you talked about how you eat a box of lucky charms every night. That was one night. And then yesterday you created a task force of multiple employees at this office to locate and find the best

soft serve ice cream machine so that you can buy one and install it in this office. The cream team, the cream team. Yeah. So I don't know if that was like that. I didn't. Was that part of the reassessment? Like you did the reassessment. It was like more soft serve. I reassessed my life There's some things that I can do better. I've already started to like, do you know you? Comment about the lucky charms. Did you not hear about the yellow Cheerios that eat I eat those Okay, and then eating those in in it one night two nights. No those I just eat for breakfast now. It's fucking miserable Suck also ice cream has calcium. Yeah bones. Yes, uh, I

Reassessed my life and I realized that a life without Constant access to soft serve ice cream is not a life. I want to live anymore So Hank are you anti ice cream No, I just cool thrown. It was just fat diabetes cat. Whoa, it sounds like I've already made it very clear to we're only doing toppings on Friday. We are.

We're only doing toppings on Friday. It sounds like you're anti scream. Do you like the cream team? Do you think I put a good so it's it's Zach Jacob and then I've added Ben mince as the special advisor to getting shit for free Yeah, no, that's an elite. Yeah, you've built a great team to Get us the best soft serve of ice cream machine. You know what money can buy Do it I don't care Really? Yeah, you'll never eat it

band Really? Yeah, you'll never eat it banned Fine make the make the make the graphic Henry Larkin banned forever until you apologize and Show real remorse. You are not allowed to have a single drop of that thing. That's good. Keep me honest All right, great But I'm saying I'm gonna be watching the tapes every night because I know the minute we leave you're gonna go get your ice cream watching the tapes every night because I know the minute we leave you're gonna go get your ice cream everyone else Sunday if you if you lose if the Patriots lose a game you're gonna want to hit the ice cream machine immediately dude soft serve ice cream doesn't even have calories it's really does calorie yeah

for sure are we gonna yeah are we gonna have this is being gonna have his own flavor of mince chocolate chip no I think it's just gonna be we're gonna keep it simple chocolate vanilla and Twist swirl twist west sky and then toppings on Fridays Cones, there'll be a sleeve of cones. Just go on a cruise dude What they have soft serve machines everywhere on cruises. I gotta work I'm trying to make work the best Okay, you need a vacay. You're banned. You're banned. That's fine. You're fucking banned. That's fine. I don't care. I don't care about anything.

I also really don't. I think Hank's just going to plead injury to all this. Yeah. Like anything that he says within four hours, they can't be held against him in court. He's grieving. Are you guys? I am. Are you guys all in? Well, no, I'm not. No, I'm well? No, I'm not no. I'm not no. I'm not be New York Sir you're not grieving you're in denial. That's the focus on game five. That's the first stage of grief I'm focused on game five. We'll deal with the offseason when we get there. Okay, all right you guys are all in right? Yeah, I'll leave you guys great. Love it Max I gotta put a I gotta put least a some sort of a limit on myself Okay, we could do that like a governor

Yeah, I got to I got to have give myself rules of when I can and cannot have ice cream got it Maybe do like invisible because they can't put a collar on you. That's not a bad idea You're not allowed within five feet of the ice cream machine That's like certain times because I want to have some ice cream But if I have it if I have access to it unlimited access I will have multiple ice creams every day Yeah, so yeah, which is with a cat and you set out like one of those automatic feeders. I should get one of those I Should get one yeah also We should put up a sign do not feed this man ice cream so that you can't ask people to get you not feed the

Max yeah So that you can't ask people to get you do not feed the max yeah Band sorry for your loss. I Lost ice cream too. I will I will hear an appeal. I will hear Hanks appeal in court Knowing that he is in a very fragile state right now. Mm-hmm, but he has clearly appeal to get on band Yeah, that time will probably come. Okay. When you see us just walking around licking a cone, having a time of our life.

The first day of the ice cream, you not getting a cone on the inaugural ice cream day is going to be... Oh, it's gonna hurt. Opening day has to have toppings. I'm gonna say. Oh, definitely. Opening day has to have toppings. Well, we'll probably do opening day on a Friday

Yeah, bring your own sprinkles. You can bring your own Toppings will be Friday only so that way we keep a little of the calories down The cream cheese is hard at work, okay PFT my hot seat look at his face That's how it looks like a guy who's down in the dumps and just got banned from ice cream I don't I can eat ice cream just not here that's fine dude there's gonna be a soft-serve machine literally we might even put it in this studio great I think I think what's gonna happen is Hank's gonna sabotage the ice cream machine no I want you guys to be happy okay no you don't that's not true that's not true at all that is not it is it's not true what have you ever wished happiness all the time? Yeah, I say it all the time

Well, then you'd let me get it. I just never never do anything but I've root for them to do it We were talking about teams. Why'd you have to go there happiness? How much guys be you root for me to be better? I want you guys to not have kidney stones Well calcium who knows what kidney calcium could not have anything stones. Well calcium, who knows what can you calcium could not have anything to do with this. I said I hadn't changed my diet at all. I hadn't been eating more sodium and then Mad Dog was like, didn't you just eat 15 days of gumbo in New Orleans? I was like, that's a that's a valid point. Yeah, I have changed other parts of my diet. I'm trying to I'm trying to eat less carbs. Less less salt, more ice cream. I'll shoot a diamond out of my dick once a month if it means I can have ice cream every day

I've so that's a fair trade. I trade that in a heartbeat. I mean a soft-serve machine. It's like a it's a gold mine It's a dream of mine. It's the best. I love soft serve ice cream. It's so good, and it's good for you Also ice cream is just carbs No, it's not. It's just not true. Here's a list of carbs. Bread. French fries. Pasta. Rice. Rice I don't even count as a carb. White rice. I think the solution is just put up a sign over the ice cream machine that just says frozen yogurt machine. Yeah. Just label it. Yeah. No fat, no fat frozen yogurt. Yep. And then it but it's just ice cream inside. Yeah. All right. PFT your hot

seat. Cool. My hot seat is jockeys. Okay. Jockeys are on the hot seat because the jockey that won the Kentucky Derby, Jr Junior Alvarado, he just got fined. He got slapped with a $62,000 fine. See you later, Hank. All right, see you, Hank. Apparently, he hit the horse too many times with the racing crop during it. So he hit the horse eight times, sovereignty during the race. And the maximum that you're allowed to hit the horse is just six times so they find him $62,000 normally it's just a 10% fine mm-hmm and his total purse from the race was $310,000 so he should have been fined three thirty one thousand, but it's his second offense in a calendar year

So they upped it up they doubled the fine to sixty two thousand dollars also kind of the postification of America. We can't even hit horses anymore Yeah, that is that is okay, and then my cool throne is sharks Sharks are on the cool throne because Trey Hendrickson the pass rusher from the Cincinnati Bengals give a press conference today He's unhappy with this contract still they promised him that they were gonna do a deal They were gonna work on something and they were going to do a deal, they were going to work on something, and they just didn't do that. Apparently the Bengals did not live up to their end of the bargain when it came to honoring a verbal commitment to rework something and get them paid. So he kind of rescinded his no trade, or he had a trade request earlier this off season, and he kind of backed off from that because he thought that they were trying to work things through But then apparently they went back on that

So now he's on the offensive and he said there's provoked shark attacks and there's unprovoked Provoked shark attacks and right now he this is a provoked shark attack that he's doing to the media Oh where he's going after the Bengals and and complaining about the way that they treat it sounds like he's not gonna play for He doesn't want to play this. He doesn't want to going to play for, he doesn't want to play this. He doesn't want to play. He says that he doesn't want to play the season. They asked him, at this point, do you want to be a Cincinnati bangle? He said, that's a tough question.

And then he talked about animosity and he used the analogy of a provoked shark attacks. That's what he's dealing with right now. That doesn't feel good when a shark, when provoked shark attacks is used. It feels like that might be the burning of a bridge right there. Yeah. So, I don't know, I guess my takeaway from this is that the Bengals might be the only team that would say, yeah, well, we don't give a fuck, we're not trading you, I dare you to play, to go the whole season without playing.

Right. And so, Hendrickson has himself in a tough position, because he does have a contract, he is under contract right now. Huh. And that's kind of the price that you pay when you sign a three-year deal or a three-year extension and Then you over perform it and then you want to get paid now the Bengals are famous for asking people to take pay cuts If you don't play up to your expectation, right? so the Bengals are gonna have it both ways but as

As the NFL goes the teams have a lot more leverage So I guess Trey's gonna try to just sit out and see if they'll trade them. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like they won't. Well, no, they'll trade them if they- If they get a good offer. They would rather get the asset than yeah. All right. My hot seat is the NFL because we said this on Sunday. I'm so sick of this fucking schedule release week. It sucks. It fucking sucks. Give me the whole schedule. Stop giving me a piece of a game here and there. We found out the Eagles and the commanders are playing on on you're not on right now. The Eagles and commanders are playing on the 20th, Saturday, the 20th of December, December

Packers bears. The Eagles and bears are playing. It's just Eagle schedule release. Yeah, it's crazy. Let's just give another Eagles game in the morning and then another game at night It's that's how they're doing it driving me insane. I fucking hate it Just give me the whole schedule. They've completely ruined something that was kind of fun And now it's just become because now I'm piecing it all together We spent we're at the NBA draft lottery like for 20 minutes Trying to piece together what the Christmas Day games might be and Like it's just so stupid. Mm-hmm. So it's looking like yeah, the Eagles have a game week 10 Monday night football against the Packers

They are just yes. Yeah, they're playing opening day against the Cowboys It's been a lot they did the the international schedule as well The commanders are playing against the Dolphins in Spain the Vikings are doing dread the first ever back-to-back in different countries They're going Dublin then London. Yeah Steelers and then the Browns back-to-back. It does suck. It does suck Like I understand that you want to like each the problem is it's each broadcast Partner that wants to have like their moment in the Sun where they get all the attention on one of their games But no one asked us this. We're going to watch the games anyway. Just give us the whole fucking schedule and stop with the leaks and stop with the morsels. Just give us the whole

fucking schedule. Yeah. And also fuck you to the people who are like, it doesn't matter. We already know the opponents. That's max. How they go matters a lot. It does. And it also matters for people who are trying to make trips around this It also matters if you're like I really enjoy complaining if you're like the NFL fucked us because we have to play Like two games in a matter of six days, right? You know like that that whole shit like you're planning about getting bad rest when it matters the most when your bye week is yep It's fun to complain about that But also you could do all this by just releasing the schedule release the fucking skin the entire schedule just so and just mainline it

to us, but yeah, we were looking at the Christmas week games and big cat and I were like well fuck that means that if you do the math We're gonna be playing each other on Christmas, and then we started planning the part of my take schedule for that week Yeah with the understanding that the commanders are probably playing the Bears on Christmas And then all that might be wrong, too Yeah, because we realized that we were planning it like it was last year when it was Wednesday was Christmas So they had the Saturday games had to be the Wednesday games this year's Thursday's Christmas So they can absolutely use the Sunday games for Thursday games

We also found because we found out the Eagles and Packers are not playing that Christmas means that right so makes Packers are not playing that Christmas right means that yeah, right So makes that we were just we were just being dumb, but that's the NFL's fault and all this shit for making us guess Hank so no no he's not Hank has been checked out. It's okay. I get it. This is one sort of says I'll give Hank a pass Oh, absolutely. I'll give Hank a pass on this. Absolutely. That's some that's bad news that yes It's really really shitty news.. The long injury thing is devastating. It's not, oh, he's out for two or three weeks. It's devastating.

It fucking sucks, beyond belief. All right, my cool throne is, you know what? I'm going to do a reversal. My cool throne is college grads because they're graduating right now and I see all the pictures and everyone's like, oh, it's graduation and I'm sure there's some college grads listening right now that are freaking out. Don't freak out. I think we've given this speech before.

There's a lot of pressure when you graduate college because you're like, holy shit, I gotta go in the real world. There's gonna be one friend who's making more money than everyone else. You feel pressure from that. You're 22 years old. You got so much time to figure some shit out. You're probably gonna fuck up. You're probably gonna hate your job or you might love your job. Whatever it means, whatever happens, you've got time to fail at a job, hate a job, quit a job, love a job, and then re-imagine yourself a couple years later. You're still 25. You know the guys in college that sometimes might not be doing so well and they pretend to their parents that they're doing well?

Yeah. And when in reality they're failing? Do you think there's anybody out there that has told their parents that they did not graduate this year when they did graduate so they can just go back to school for one more year. Oh yeah, definitely. And just hang out in town. Absolutely. Like do forge report cards and be like,

I'm doing a lot better this year guys. Getting Bs instead of Ds. Absolutely. That would be a hell of a move. That is though the one like, cause it sucks graduating college, that feeling of like, oh shit, my, the four years are over. The one, the one saving grace is when all your friends leave together, like I remember going back to Madison, like two years after I graduated and I didn't know, I knew like a couple people

and I was like, well, this isn't, this isn't what college, you know what I mean? My friends aren't here. So it doesn't feel, the idea of like leaving and having all your friends stay and still doing college, that's not reality. And you'll be okay. You'll be okay. Life gets better, not worse. Yeah. Right, Hank? Yep. You know what, Hank? Unbanned. Nice. I feel bad for you. No, I feel bad for him. I feel bad for him. He's going through a lot right now. He just privately in a moment in the next couple of weeks, just be like, hey, you know what?

I was wrong about the ice cream machine, it rocks. That's all I'll ask. It doesn't even have to be public, but unbanned because you are going through some shit. Thank you. And Tatum injury sucks a lot. It does. Yeah. Okay. Game five. Tatum injury sucks a lot. Yeah

Okay, let's five game five on the wood Joe Mazzua looking you in the eyes. I need this Hank. Come on Me oh no memes. Missoula loves this name. You just keep a very sarcastic I'm so jealous of memes right now like this the fact that he gets to be tank. Yes When we say that I I want to clear something up when we say that we as a podcast don't root for injuries That's not entirely true because memes definitely roots for it. Oh a hundred percent No, I had my quarterback taken away four snaps into a season. I don't I don't that's what I don't any That's why you that's why you wish for it now You're like I want you to suffer the way I wish injuries returned off Injuries suck. I just don't understand why they can't just I don't understand Achilles like why can't they just put it back together?

That's a good point. Yeah, that's a really good point. Why didn't they? There's a doctor's listening try that Hank. Would you like yes, I'd give him my Achilles. Oh, would you like to apologize to God? No, they're still beefing. Yeah, we'll see you later tonight or tomorrow What? They have a flight you have to take Yeah, so yeah, we'll see you tonight. Yeah, probably read is this tonight. You got it you got to make amends You got it you got to talk to the G man. Yeah. All right, probably do also cool thrown all the dead guys in baseball Oh, yeah, because they got unbanned. Yeah, Pete Rose can go in the Hall of Fame

You knew they were gonna do this shoeless Joe Jackson. The rule was I think Manfred said if you're dead, then you're off the band list Yeah, which is how it should be. Yeah, it's a lifetime band, right their lifetimes over get him off the list. Yeah Very long will be in the Hall of Fame one day after he does after he does. Yeah, he should just fake his death. Yeah, and show up to Cooper Sound. That would rock. Also, it sucked for us Waldo Cabrera. That injury was brutal. Yeah, so that's pretty shame. Okay, let's get to our interviews. We got Jans talking hockey and then we got Pablo Torre talking Jordan. We got Jans coming up before we get to him. He's brought to you by

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don't know what to do with like our friends and co-workers you know what I mean it's it's a little different because you're you're our guy and you're you're our colleague so it's like yeah a very very intimate guest yeah very intimate guest it is yans we're gonna talk some playoff hockey I don't know where we'll actually know it let's start start with, you know, we're taping this on Tuesday morning. So the Leafs and Panthers will play game five, but let's talk about that series first because, uh, you banged the drum on Sunday night. Uh, how much credit do you get for the win? Uh, like dominant win by the Panthers on Sunday night? I personally took no credit, but a lot of people have been throwing some credit my way and I am not a guy to sit here and not take it. So I am going to take it. And I don't

know how much I deserve of it, but I am taking it. Cause to be honest, once it like once I kind of settled down and was watching the game, I was like, oh shit, if they lose, it's kind of on my head. So then like, I was all nervous during the game. And so kind of made for a fun, you know, fun 60 minutes, and they played unbelievable the night that I did it. Bob had a shutout. So it's just a lot of fun to be at that at the game. I don't go to a ton of games anymore. Just, you know, during the week, it's brutal going there. But it was a blast. So fun to be there and they played unbelievable. It

was the best game they've played in the playoffs. Uh, it was, especially in this series, it was back to, you know, the way that the peas play. Yeah. So this series, would you say it feels like seven feels like we're going seven. Uh, is that fair to say? And is it like, how is, how is you and how are you in biz like getting on right now? Because it feels like it's gotten contentious on spitting chiclets. Well, we're colleagues right now this week. Uh, you know, last week or a week and a half ago we were, you know, really, really, really good friends and you know, this week we're colleagues. So I think, um,

you know, win or lose, I think we'll be back to where we were before. But I think it's definitely taken a little out of our friendship. You know, the way I just the way he's been treating people I've been gracious enough to bring on the show. Just this whole antics and everything. He's been foaming at the mouth a lot more. So hopefully we got to get him checked for rabies soon. I know he was supposed to have a doctor's appointment, but knowing him, he probably missed it. But yeah, it's just, the guy's lost in the sauce, like Witt said, he is lost.

And he thinks he's a part of the team. The man never played for the team. He barely played in the NHL, so I don't know how he was claiming another team. He was lucky enough to be on one. So just, yeah, it's just, it's been a lot, it's been a lot of headaches with him this week, but I'm looking forward to the series to be on one so just yeah it's just it's been a lot it's been a lot of headaches with him this week but I'm looking forward to the series to be

over so we can be back to being friends yeah see I think you're right that you'll go back to being friends if the Panthers win but if the Leafs win I think it's like it's even worse if the Leafs keep winning like imagine the Leafs win the Stanley Cup you might not ever hear from Biz again you might just move into the front office there. Yeah. But you know what? Like I was at the game and even a lot of a lot of Toronto fans were coming up to me and I think a lot of them have had enough of this shit. Yeah. Just a lot of people just they're like, who honestly, who is this guy? And then he's taking up our time on he's sitting at TNT on the desk and wearing a, you know, just being a complete homer. So I think a

lot of people have had enough of them, including myself. So I think for the betterment of the game and watching hockey, it'll be better for the Panthers to win this series. We can kind of, you know, just get him off talking about, you know, the, the leafs agreed. Would do, would you say that you deserve credit for that winter? Would you say that what you did banging the drum was just a continuation of the momentum that the Costco guys started when they banged the drum? That's what I was worried about. I found out actually as we were going to the game my kids were like, oh big justice and big AJ did it the day before and I'm like

how do I how do I follow that up? You know what I mean? And then day before and I'm like, how do I, how do I follow that up? You know what I mean? And then, um, yeah, it was, it was, it was tough sledding, just the, the mental warfare for the 30 minutes leading up and then, uh, you know, once the puck drops actually during warmups, I could kind of tell, you know, you know, when Bob's in his rhythm, the way, you know, the way he was making saves and warm up, seeing everything into his glove, uh, so I knew he was going to have a good game, so I owe him, I know he, he likes to give out bottles of wine after a shutout.

So I'm, uh, I'm actually going to send him a bottle. So, so in terms of the actual play on the ice, what is it about the Panthers that, cause I would assume you're confident that they can win this series, even though they have to win at least one game in Toronto. But do you think they're overall the better team? And also, I know we're, we're taping this before the game, like how much justice is, is Kachuck gonna get tonight after that? That was a shitty hit by Domi, I would assume.

Like in terms of a, like in the locker room, are you guys afterwards being like, what was that that would, the game was over and he cross-checked someone into the boards? Yeah, those are scary. Um, you know, especially when a guy has his back turn and he cross-checked someone into the boards. Yeah, those are scary. You know, especially when a guy has his back turn, he's that close but far enough away from the boards where you could go in head first. Luckily, Barky's okay. He's a big strong guy. But the best part about it, I find is, you know, there's a couple, you know, it's playoff

hockey. There's going to be dirty hits. There's going to be dirty plays that happen in game one and game two. And just everybody in Canada, including Biz, is bitching and complaining about how dirty the Panthers are and all this. And then you don't hear the Panthers complaining about anything. They're just all about that business, all about going to work the next day, getting ready for the next game.

But I did not like the hit. I thought it was dirty. I think he got a $5,000 fine, which, you know, it is what it is. But I know Max, I played with him a little bit in Phoenix, or maybe he was just there for training kit, but now you're a good kid. I don't think it was malicious. I don't think he was trying to hurt anyone. He was just trying to get some momentum for next game, but definitely didn't like it. But I really liked the way the Florida handled it like men, like, you The winners that they are and they know what it takes and they'll be ready to go, you know Wednesday night Also shout out the players Association because I think that's the maximum allowable fine, right? They love to say that five thousand dollars and then they're like that is the maximum that we can do up to this point Five thousand see it does seem like a slap on the wrist Also, by the way, you just said Wednesday night. I'm an idiot. I didn't realize that game, game five is Wednesday night. So this actually all works. Yeah. It's preview. We're not going to see another game. Yeah. So yeah. So is there going to be, is

Kuchak going to go out there and fight right away? I don't think he needs to. I think they, I think they're, they're going to play their game. I think the momentum from the last two games at home, they got back to the way that they played the first two games they played in, in Toronto. Um, you know, you got to give credit to Toronto. They played well, but the Panthers shot themselves in the foot. They had very uncharacteristic mistakes. They had four guys on the ice one time to score a late goal. Bob didn't play his best hockey.

I'm sure he'd be the first one to tell you that. So they lost those two games, but they honestly, you know, basically gave them away. So I really like where they're at now. The last two games they've played back to, you know, Panthers hockey where they're, you know, just getting pucks in D. You watch them play, they're best players. Every single guy in the team hits guys,

run guys through the wall. They're in on the four check. They don't make stupid plays when they're playing well. They did in the first two games, but they haven't the last two So I just love the way that they're playing and their team actually can carry it over and you know Keep building momentum on that and they're gonna be scary on Wednesday. I heard a nasty rumor Maybe you can tell me this is true or not nasty rumor that the Leafs hung out on the beach before the game Dehydrated that being out in the Sun that their fair Toronto complexion wasn't built for the South Florida sun. Is that true? Is there any validity to

these rumors that I'm hearing? I did see a picture floating around the internet of, you know, one of the players took a picture with a fan, but I see nothing wrong with that. I'm a big vitamin D guy, as you can tell by my beautiful tan, 50 shades of white. It's what you do when you're down here. Usually, I loved playing down here and then other teams, the teams from Canada, Winnipeg, they'd come in, you'd see the backup goalie the next day on the bench just burnt red. He knew he wasn't playing. Some guys might give it an hour on the beach and the backups give it about three hours on the beach roasting away But I didn't see too many sunburns

So I think that they they knew what they would do and they probably rotated use some SPF But now you can't you can't I can't blame them from that I give uh, you know, you got to take in the cities when you go to these cities like yeah I mean you only you only play in the league so long you only get to go around these cities So I I see nothing wrong with it. You must be nice for the maple leafs too, especially when they play, you know, in, in a Southern towns like Colorado or, uh, or Miami in the United States, they don't get recognized.

I would assume going around town, right? Yeah. I mean, it's honestly one of the best parts about playing down here and, you know, especially now with how good they are, like the fans are still respectful. They, you know, they appreciate what the guys are doing on the ice, but you know, you can go anywhere you want. You're not going to get, you know, harassed anywhere. And you know, I think that's just such a, uh, you know, a good perk to have a playing

down here and, um, you know, you still go to the rink. It's the same game once you get in that arena, but you know, when you leave the rink and in your golf cart and, and flip flops and Jano shorts, it's nice. Yeah. All right. So other series I want to talk about the oilers and the Knights. It feels like the oilers are, I mean, they're up three one. Tell me this though, cause Skinner had an incredible, he had a shutout after Saturday night. Was I right in my assessment? Like I don't know hockey very well, but Where Skinner was for that buzzer beater was just insane like that was just bad Go like you can't be that far out and you have to hug the post there

Is that is that a correct assessment because it seemed like something like how does that happen? Yeah, I mean honestly it should have never got to that point William Carlson He's he's he's one on three, dumps the puck in. I think there's eight seconds left at the time where he dumps it in. And, you know, it's one verse three and he ends up somehow getting to the puck and just throwing it to the middle. And luckily, Riley Smith was there. So at that point, it's kind of just panic time because, you know, everyone's

you count down the mental clock in your head and you guys, every guy's probably like, oh, my God, there's one second, two seconds. And then you kind of just, you know, panicking, you don't know where to go. So I'm sure the goalie did the same thing. I'm sure if it was, you know, 10 minutes left in the game, it would have never happened. But, you know, the panic set in and, you know, he kind of just got himself out of place. But for how dominant, you know, Edmonton has looked,

like the win that Vegas got there, like that's the only way that I think they have a chance of beating them right now. It was just like a miraculous win, win with point force. It's like you can't give Mahomes enough time on the clock. You couldn't give Tom Brady enough time on the clock. That's how the Oilers are right now. You give them enough time, they're going to find ways to score. Whether it's late in the game, clutch goals, I didn't give them the credit that they deserve coming in. I think I had

them even losing first round. They've impressed me so much just with their depth scoring. McDavid and Dreisaitl are still playing amazing, but they haven't had to carry the load as much as they have in the past, which is scary for every other team. They haven't got going as much as they have in the past, which is scary for every other team. Cause I mean, they haven't got going as much as they really could, but cause they haven't had to. But I mean, they're still finding a way they're scoring huge goals. They're getting big assist game winners and stuff like that. But you got, you know, Adam Henry, uh, Corey Perry guys just, just chipping in and, you know, finding ways to win. Do you believe in Skinner? Because that was, I mean, that was an incredible, in and you know finding ways to win. Do you believe in Skinner because that was I mean that was an incredible

You know come back to be like hey, here's a shutout because he has has that happened on Saturday night I think people I even saw people tweeting like he can't play again in this series Which seemed a little knee-jerk reaction then gets a shutout on Monday night Do you believe in him going forward or is that like the the one the weak link where you're like? Hey, he's got to hold up I don't know if he can actually do it. I Mean on paper. He's definitely the you know in quotations the weak link of their team. He he's an amazing goalie He's you know, he's a big guy. He's uh, you know, he's got really good instincts, but I think last game

He just he really used his size to an advantage and wasn't trying to overplay things and you know he was just in good position at all times and I don't think he was tested as much as you know other goalies are. I think you know even if he plays subpar a little bit they can still they can still win this series but I think it's that next series whether it's against Dallas or or Winnipeg is when you know when he's getting a lot more pressure that's when you're going to really see what he's made of. Is there any chance at all that the Knights have to come back from three one? Honestly, I don't, I don't think so. They look a lot. I don't know if they, they look a little off right now. They look like they're, you know,

just not on the same page. They got some guys going well. Um, you know, Mark Stone, I think so a little banged up. He left. He left game three the other day came back. He played last night, which was a good sign, but he just didn't look like himself. Jack Eichel has been amazing for them carrying the load, but he's just, you know, they're not getting the support that they that they have in past and I don't think that they can come back in this series against Edmonton. I think Edmonton's playing at a different level right now. And you know, if you only got to win one more

game, and you got Leon and Connor, it's, it's always going to be tough to close them out. Got it. So can we talk about my caps for a second? It's been a it's been a painful series to watch watching the Hurricanes brand hockey. It's tough, especially when they're kicking the shit out of you. I mean, it's bad enough if you're just watching them casually, but if you're on the receiving end, it's a real tough watch to get through. My takeaway is that the capitals, they look like they've lost a lot of the energy that they had at

the end of the season and in the first round of playoffs for whatever reason, they seem like they're kind of coming out their flat and we're missing a lot of opportunities early in the first periods of these games. And every time that happens, you can mark that down as being like, that's going to be the difference in this game because Caroline is going to get out to a lead and then we're going to have to press and try to score the third period and then leave things open on the back end of their counterattack is so good that they'll just end up scoring if you end up pressing too hard. So my takeaway as just a casual is you got to score on the opportunities early. But what have you seen from the series? Yeah, that's a good breakdown of that. I think last night was the first time that there's even been a goal in the first period for either team. So Washington still

hasn't scored in the first. I think they only have one goal in the power play this series, which is, you know, if you're a Capitals player or fan, that's, that's how you guys, you know, make your, your bread and butter is scoring on the power play. And it's, it just hasn't been able to get it. I think, I think Washington does a really good job of suffocating teams and, and, you know, not only five on four but five on five their defense their defensive zone they just play really fast they get on you not a lot of teams play the way that they do I mean this series is so boring to wait it's

basically it's like the late 90s early 2000 New Jersey Devils kind of sit back in the rocking chair and you know not let you get through the neutral zone then just pressure the shit out of you in the defensive zone. But hey, at the end of the day, it's winning hockey. Rod Brendan Moore gets all of his guys to buy in. He gets everything out of his guys. He doesn't have the one big superstar. He's got guys that just come in there, check their ego at the door and play hard for them.

So it's definitely not a fun series to watch, especially if your team's losing to them. But if you're a Carolina fan and at the end of the day, if you're hosting that trophy in June, it doesn't matter how you did it. But yeah, this one, I think you're a hundred percent right. They have to score early. If I was the Capitals and Carberry's done an unreal job there. I would just go full out. I did. I pulled my goalie in the first period, get a six on five. Why not? I hear the,

the Cains are so dangerous on that counter attack when they, when they muck up the neutral zone. And, uh, I think our only power play goal is at a five on three situation. It wasn't five on four. And it seems that even when we've got a power play, the hurricanes are the ones that are getting the better scoring opportunities on the counter-attack They're having more opportunities for for shorthanded goals than we are having solid opportunities on a five on four It's crazy watching so credit to the Hurricanes. They're they're obviously a very good team I don't particularly like watching them play but if there's if there's a way to turn it around

I think that if the caps win game five at home, it might go seven. That's my that's my take. I got to do one game at a time. If we went at home, then I think we're going to go into Carolina when game six. And I got to give a shout out to and put some respect on his name is is Tom Wilson, like he's obviously you know, he's been around a long time. He's an unbelievable player. But I think he is a bona fide star right now. Like he should be on that Olympic team. No one wants to play against him. He does everything for that team. Power play, penalty kill, five on five. Amazing leader as well. So I think you got to talk about him a little bit more of how good he is and how

much he can impact the game. And also Logan Thompson, he's been amazing. Like a couple of bad ones in, you know, game three. I didn't love but you know, he played decent last night. You know, he just, you know, he's getting no run support. And you know, but they are a team that done it all year. They played well. They've, you know, they've they've found ways to win games. And I think I think you're right.

If they can go home and get a big win, get the momentum going, but it's that building in Raleigh too. It's a tough, tough building to play in. Like the, unless you like, you know, chain restaurants, they get you when you land, you go into a chain restaurant, you're staying at a decent hotel, uh, not great. And then you go into the, the, the away's locker rooms awful. Uh, so it's kinda, it's a mental game too. So from the minute you land there to the minute the game's over. Yeah.

It might be loser talk. So I'm not going to say it, but I, if I were to do loser talk, I would say it's important to remember in perspective, this cap season was way better than anybody ever expected. I'm not going to say that obviously because we're still playing. I'll say it. Yeah. Big cat was about to say, I was going to say like this cap season, watching like it's way like we've outblown the expectations. That's a, that's loser talk though. I'm focused on winning this series. It's about winning the Stanley cup, but it's been an incredible season. I'm not going to say that. If it ended today,

we'd be happy with it. It has fans in the capitals and a puck. We would like it. And yeah, I mean, obviously everything with what Ovi did this year, I think, I don't know if their social media team did a really good job of just getting clips out of, you know, Carberry talking to the team. It just seems like such a cool tight knit group of, I've talked to their assistant coach there.

He just says like, the guys love each other. And you know, every coach says that, but like he said, these guys absolutely love each other. We had James van Riemsteik on checklists yesterday and his brothers on that team And he said he went to his nephew's one first birthday And there was like 15 20 guys on the team over at the at his house for the for the party So you can tell that they're a you know galvanized group They you know, they love each other and easy team to root for. You know, I think everybody wants to see them move on here and just, you gotta win one more, just win one at a time. PFT one at a time.

Eyes on the prize. We're a gape or our team. We've, we lead the league in being a gape. Are you familiar with a gape? No, that's our team motto. It might, it might be the team motto of death. We're a gape. Yeah. Yeah. We're wide open. Yeah. I got a strategy question for you. And uh, like when we get deeper in the playoffs, you'll see teams switch up lines later in a series. Like like the blackhawks to Quinnville used to do like Tays and Kane on the same line when, when it got like to game five, it's like, you need a win. What does that ha what happens in the locker room when the coach switches up

the lines? Obviously, you play defense, so he's probably not switching that up. But what is the vibe like? And what is the mentality when it's like, all right, hey, we're loading up the first line. And now everyone else has to figure it out. Yeah, especially in playoffs. When it happens during the regular season, it's like, oh, god.

You're like, hey, what about us? We can play with these guys too. But when it's playoff time and no one cares about their stats or all you care about is the wins. And you know, I think when you're in the locker room and you see like I could only if I was in the Edmonton locker room as a defenseman and you see on the board before the game McDavid dry side all and whoever Corey Perry you are just itching to be on the ice with them because you McDavid, Dries Seidel, and whoever, Corey Perry, you are just itching to be on the ice with them because you know, it's going to be fun. You know, you're going to have, you know, snap it around the offensive

zone. You're going to, you know, you're going to be high flying. So I think a lot of it too is just kind of, especially in playoffs too, like those other three lines have to be like, Hey, we got to do our job of just, you know, holding the fort down a little bit, maybe pitch in with a goal or two. And then we let these big dogs eat. And, um, you know, that's the best part about playoffs is nobody cares what happens, like where you're playing, uh, whether you're a healthy scratch or not. If your team's winning, uh, everybody's happy. And, but, but, and especially as a,

as a fan watching when the big boys get put on the same line and they're playing and, and it's kind of just like all out pond hockey, it's so fun to watch. Yeah, the supercharged lines always like pump me up when I see it later in playoffs, they're like, oh, they're just going for it. They're just gonna basically be like, this line will win this game for the team.

What about in terms of like the course of the playoffs, cause you had some deep runs, is there a point where, not that it drags on because it's on because playoff hockey and your pump but where it's like, okay This is where you have to you know Focus a little bit more because exhaustion does start to take a toll Yeah, it's probably it's probably right now like halfway through the second the second series is you're mentally You're coming down from the high of being in the playoffs. Now you're traveling a little more,

you're not getting the sleep that you're getting every night or that you're supposed to be getting every night because your blood's pumping after the games. You gotta be up having meetings and practices and whatnot the next day. So I think right now is probably that time where your body's like, holy shit, what are we doing to myself right now?

And like, you know, you're really in the fight. And but it's also at the end of the day, it's the best time of the year, too, because you're just playing hockey. That's all you care about. That's all you worried about. You're not dealing with shit at your kid's school or you know, going to the grocery store to pick up stuff for your wife. It's strictly hockey. And, you know, that's why you play. Yeah, we got to talk about Miko ranton. And because what he's

doing is absolutely insane. Yeah. Although they did prove that they can score without him. I think he had how many goals in a row was it that he either assisted on is 1313 consecutive goals that he either assisted on or personally scored that that streak came to an end in their last game. But he does have nine goals and six games. He's got nine assists in the postseason. Is this the is this the craziest one man performance that you've seen in the playoffs?

Yeah, I mean, I think just the whole, you know, everything surrounding it, too, with him being traded to Carolina, not wanting to get traded and then being flipped to Dallas. And I love the fact that it's almost a little NBA ish is like he most hockey guys would be like, Oh yeah, it is what it is. It's the trade. But he's like, I wanted to, I wanted to come to Dallas so I could shove it up their ass. And, yeah, and he did it. And he, and he's got the entire hockey world like flipped on its head. He's got guys that used to play with them answering questions of why the hell did you trade them.

Guys weighing in that used to play with them and even that aren't on the team anymore are weighing in on Twitter and Asim Qadri was like, this is why you don't trade the big boys and it's bringing a little drama to the game, which is always fun, but he, you know, he's living up to his nickname of the horse, the big horse, and he is absolutely on a mission right now. And to go into a team, you know, I think he only played what? 10 or 12 regular season games with them. So it's not a ton of familiarity with your players.

I know he's country mates with Roupe Hints, so they have a little chemistry together, but it's really hard to go in and not have that much time with a team and to be playing this good. Cause a lot of tend to, you figure out how guys like to play, where guys like the puck, the tendencies of where guys are gonna be in the Ozone ozone D zone. And the fact that he's figured it out this quick. And, you know, at the

end of the day, I think he's just like, hey, boys hop on my back and enjoy the ride. And he is he is putting on an absolute clinic right now. Yeah, of course. I love that nickname, the big horse. Yeah, I've heard I've heard people call him the moose too. I don't know. I've moose is another one. What's the difference between having a horse on your team and having a moose on your team? Well, when you got both of them, I mean, if you have two nicknames, it's a horse and a moose. You'd rather that.

I don't know, I'd probably rather a horse because I feel like they're a little faster. Yeah. I mean, a moose is both beautiful animals too. So I mean, I don't know, I'd rather have a horse. What would you rather have? I don't know. I'd rather have a horse. What would you rather have? I don't know. I think a moose for hockey. You got to have a moose like mooses like cold weather, like Canada, like that's that's in Dallas though. So he might die. That's true. Yeah. That's a good point. When I hear people say like, oh yeah, we got this horse. I feel like that's a fast guy scores a lot of goals, but you got to have a moose if you want to win a car. I actually, if could do if I go off script here, I think I'd rather an ox. And ox is just built for work. You know, he's legit.

He is. We I was talking a wit about it the other day. I remember my first couple years in the league playing against the army, yoga, and Wayne Gretzky. I remember in the pre pre scout meeting, he was like, Hey, if he turns his back on you, like like you'll never get the puck because he was just so big and so strong and used his ass so good and that's exactly how Rantan is. Rantan is the you know from when I played against Jagger till when I played against Rantan like the two of the only guys that you're like oh my god if he turns his back on you there's no way of getting the puck because they're just so big and so strong and use the red just so good. And, um, yeah, he, he, he's a specimen and I honestly do not know how they traded them. Yeah, it's crazy. So, all right. So in that series, the

other question, cause that game is tonight. Uh, so we are taping before game four, hella buck has been really bad on the road. It's crazy. He, I think he, they've had 10 games total in the playoffs, 34 goals. He's given up 21 of them have been on the road. It's crazy. Yeah, I think he they've had ten games total in the playoffs 34 goals He's given up 21 of them have been on the road. So what is that? Like what is it mental? Is it? What's going on? And is there a fix? I Think the first series he got a little bit too much heat I think cuz the play in front of him was awful. They did the games that they lost on the road against St. Louis, obviously he didn't play great.

He led in a couple, you know, not so great goals, but I truly believe that the team was dog shit in front of them too. They weren't playing their best. And yeah, I heard an interview with, Jesus, what's their captain's name? Whatever. You know, and he admitted it.

He said that they weren't playing a Lowry. He was like, we're not playing good in front of him. We're not giving him a chance to win. They were taking accountability for it. It's something you've got to figure out. If you're going to go on a run

and win a Stanley Cup, you've got to win on the road at some point. Right now, I think Dallas is a team I see going further. I see them winning this series. And it's strictly because of Autinger too. Like he does not get rattled, whether he's home or away. He kind of plays the same game. He's not like the goals that he's that Hello Bucks given up. He looks like, you know, sometimes like Skinner the other like the goals that he's that hello box giving up

He looks like you know sometimes like like skinner the other night like where he's way out of position where Goaltenders are usually never out of position and he's just not playing the game that he played all year And you know when you win I think this will be his third Vezna and you know people just expect you to have a shout out every game obviously that's not gonna happen, but Yeah, I think he's also one of those guys too. He, if he gets a road, when, uh, it could flip something in his brain where he just goes on a complete tear and, and it'll be tough to score against them.

All right. So obviously you're going to pick the Panthers to come out of the East. Are you, do you want it to be another chick? Do you want it to be a chick let Stanley cup where it's you versus wit or you think that it's going to be the, the stars? I've said it from the beginning that it's going to be Panther stars. So I'm sticking with that. Um, but, but this admin team does scare me a little bit. Um, yeah, even thinking, you know, don't want to think too far ahead, but if it was a playoffs, you have a revenge tour of, you know, McDavid, you know, losing last year. You can just, you see the videos of him in the locker room

pissed off after throwing stuff around the locker room. And you can almost just see that as like the start of the DVD, the championship DVD for this year. So that, that stuff scares me a little bit, but you know, we're still a long ways away from that. I I'll still stick with Dallas coming out of the West and Florida coming out of the East and just another no-tax city Stanley Cup finals. Yeah.

So, if the Oilers somehow hoist the Cup, are you ready to pick up the slack and come on PMT more often? Because I don't think we'll ever be able to have Witt on again. I think Witt might move to Edmonton and just become like mayor or coach or GM. I think he'll. But the good thing about him, he's not lost in the sauce like Biz is.

And he played for the team. Yeah, right. He was part of that organization. Yeah. I feel like like what's been very calm in this playoffs, which, you know, it's respect. He's got three kids now, so maybe he's a little tired perspective. Yeah, but we just can't like the, the, the, he, he has been a lot more calm, but we can get him rattled up by just saying Connor McDavid hasn't won the big one. Even though I love watching Connor McDavid walk play the game

I understand the team sport. I don't actually think like he's a choker But it's fun to say that to wit and watch him get upset It is fun and I mean anytime wits upset is always fun because he gets really passionate about things and And you know he'd die for his team. He loves the Oilers. I think he's probably regretting them right now, you know, all year having to watch the late games and be up late and, you know, early wakeups at six in the morning with the youngins isn't that fun.

But, you know, he's a ride or die, you know, even through their tough times during the season he sticks with them. And so you got to give him respect, but I'd much rather Edmonton win than, than, uh, Toronto and see business antics. That's fair. Yeah. Also just remind Whitney that I think he retired a Panther, right? I think yeah. His last year in the NHL was Panthers. Yeah. Yeah. So if he goes in the hall of fame, then he goes in as a Panther. Did he go to a camp with the Blues? He did, yeah, him and Biz. Yeah, so they might both be Blues.

Well, what's crazy with Biz, I heard this on Chicklets the other day, Biz has, he's evolved from saying we, you know, with the Maple Leafs, sometimes we do that on, actually we do that a lot on part of my tick. We're like, we, us, when referring to the team, he's jumped all the way past that, now he's saying, I, instead of, he's saying like, I gotta be better in the next game.

Like he is, he's taken on the entire team as him. The ego on this guy is incredible. Did you like, he's not working TNT and he's going back to his house in well in Ontario, I need to find out where he wouldn't tell me where he's watching the game and I need to, if I find out where he's watching the game, I will get Twitter just to tweet out where he's gonna be and I will fly any Panthers fan to where he is

just to torture him the entire game. So if you guys could do me a favor and be like, hey, where are you watching the game? Cause he won't see that, actually he'll never see this. So he, uh, if you could, if you could do that for me, I'll text him right now. Yeah. Yeah. And you like, you don't even need, I don't even think you need a Panther fan. I think you need like a biz super fan that just wants to talk his year off. No, but he's so like, he loves himself so much. He would love that. He was seriously like, I gotta do, but I gotta be better on the power play. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's never played a minute of power plays

an entire life. And with, you know, they got five of the best players in the league on their power play, but it's his fault. You have all the oldie should text and be like, Hey, where are we watching the game? Yeah. Good call. Good call. Yeah. Use only to get to him. I'll never see it coming. Yeah. Yeah I think this all circus whiz like or biz got a he got like a maple leaf jersey, right? He are like a jacket the team sent him a jacket and then like a little kid that gets a get something from their favorite team He now thinks that that's his team No, no the reason why he thinks he's a part of the team. Yes, cuz that ambassador's jacket that Brendan Shanahan gave him but he claims that when he was put on waivers from Pittsburgh that Toronto and Phoenix put a claim in for him and the way that it

works in hockey, if you get put on waivers, anyone can claim you and then if multiple teams claim you, whoever came in a lower position the year before gets you. So in Phoenix, they finished lower than Toronto. So he ended up in Phoenix, which I still don't even believe that because Toronto, I can't imagine they needed a guy like him back then. They had like Jay Rose Hill, they had Colt Moore, they had tough guys and I can't imagine they wanted biz at any point. Yeah.

That's an all time stretch to be like they, they kind of wanted me, I think. So now I've dedicated my life to them. Yeah. All right. Reads. This has been awesome. We got one last question for you. It's a row back question. R H O B A C K.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, uh, roback.com promo code take. So my last question, very important question, because you obviously hockey is your life. You love hockey. You want the league to grow, grow, grow. Are you worried at all for a potential Panthers, hurricanes Eastern conference final and losing the Henry

Lockwoods of the world because Hank has said he's out. He's out if it's Panthers Hurricanes. I mean that's probably what it's gonna be. Yeah he's so he's out so are you worried about losing the Hanks of the world? No. I think Florida will, I think that the way that they play will kind of take away from the way that Carolina plays. They play so hard and fast. I think they'll kind of, both teams will play like each other.

Both teams will play more of a Florida style type game. I think they're just doing what they can do right now to Washington. It's a good game plan. They're suffocating them. But I think against Florida, you gotta have a completely different game plan and the game will be completely different.

It'll be a lot faster, a lot more up tempo goal scoring. And yeah, even too, when you're in the Eastern Conference finals, it's always must watch TV. So Hank, we'll dial you back in and it'll be a fun series no matter what. Did you hear Hank when we, when we started the playoffs, he said that he, he didn't know the Bruins didn't make it until he looked at the playoff schedule and didn't see them there. They were terrible. Yeah. He said he looked at the schedule. He's like, Hey, where's the Bruins? Oh my God. All right. Yeah. And

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full journalismist. So it's really good to be with you guys. Yeah, so everyone go listen. This is where the reporting on, can we keep calling her Jordan? I know you stopped calling her Jordan. I feel like you guys, you guys are empowered to do that. I miss it. Okay.

I miss the feeling when I listen to you guys. I'm like, oh, that felt, it always felt good. Um, to just read it the way that it's spelled. But when you, when you interview 11 separate fucking people about someone, it's like, I should probably just call her the way that she wants to be called. Yeah. All right. That's back and forth. If you're doing that many interviews, you lose track of the bit. Yeah. So, all right. So before we start, I think journalist to journalist, because we are journalists as well, I think we have to just lay all of our cards on the table and emit any of our bias or any ulterior motives.

We'll start. We're Team Jordan, because Hank told us that if we ever want to get Bill Belichick on the show, we've got to be Team Jordan. So we ride with our queen. Uh, your reporting seems, uh, bad and wrong. Which hunt? You have your sources. What about, what about our sources that say that you're just jealous of their love? Yeah. So that's our bias. Do you have any bias? Yeah. Uh, I strongly disagree with Joshua L. Zuckerman, her former boyfriend of some 60 years, sort

of an age, when he calls, hold on, let me just get the review that I mostly disagreed with. And this wasn't in the episode, but when he called a Plavac Mali 2012, quote, so lovely, so perfect, so summery, so red, so strawberry, so refreshing, so lightly acidic, so watermelon, so strawberry, so lovely, so enjoy it. I felt that was a little bit, that was like a, that was a little much. That's not a five star review. You have to admit though, he landed the plan on that one with the, so enjoy it. And he came back. Yeah. He came back to the strawberry. So strawberry.

So strawberry. Um, most of all. Yeah. All right. So, so talking real here, uh guess like from the start, the reason why your, your podcast is successful and I enjoy it very much as you do, do real journalism on sometimes trivial topics. And I would say this is probably a little bit of a trivial topic, although there is some weird like, Hey, this is the best coach of all time. What the hell's going on? So when did you start, when you were like, I'm going to go down this path, like I'm actually going to figure out what is going on here. Yeah. So my show, the premise is explicitly, we take stupid things seriously and also serious things stupidly. And in this case, it started when we saw the Superbowl commercial. And

for those who are familiar with Jordan's Jordan's internet presence, you're like, oh my God, she's in it. The girlfriend is in the ad. And I started making calls around why it is that she was in that Super Bowl ad, you know, the height of American success and commercialism. And it turned out that she had appointed herself, Bill Belichick's agent, and was the one negotiating with Ben Affleck and Matt Damon. And at that point, it was like, this is a stupid thing we can take seriously.

But what I underestimated is the degree to which it was also like a story about real power dynamics with the highest paid employee, public employee in the state of North Carolina. And so really that episode, which we did in February of this year ended up being this lighthouse where a lot of people behind the scenes were like, oh my God, someone's finally noticing what our lives have been like behind the scenes

as Bill Belichick launched, I think like a half dozen media properties simultaneously out of the same New Jersey studio where they do the NFL film stuff. And so it all was kind of weirdly coalescing in a very defined way. And that's when I said, I should probably just start making every call that I can. So we appreciate you doing that because the podcast was fantastic. I learned a lot. It was also fun to hear how you guys discussed it. One of the one of the more explosive claims from it was the underdog commercial that this was a pattern of Jordan inserting herself into multiple commercials now, where she said, OK, I've got an idea of maybe a better idea for this commercial where it's Bill and her at the pool. She's trying to get it, get his attention. You said that they might have filmed it, but they also might have just pretended to film it to satiate her and her request. Have we made any progress on that? Do we know if there's actually any film of this? I am I am actively working on acquiring confirmation around whether I can get that video that may or may not exist. That's a lot of clauses to sort of protect what I don't

know. Just know that this is one of the... Look, I have holy grails in my life when it comes to videos. One of them was published on the show last year. It was the Nick's recruiting video for LeBron that had the last scene that James Gandolfini ever did as Tony Soprano in it. And also, you know, Jim Dolan's list of super friends, all recruiting LeBron in the secret video. We got that video. Um, this one I am actively working on still. Um, I can tell you though, that when it came to how that scene

unfolded, I mean just imagine, just imagine Bill Balachek showing up. He is this guy, this is by the way a lot of like New England fans on that set right? So this is people who look up to Bill Balachek and they have to figure out like is Bill okay with what's happening and And Bill Balachek, I'm told, just like had no change in his face as his girlfriend showed up unilaterally deciding, I'm wearing a yellow polka dot bikini now and it's time for us to shoot a scene. And it was just like, okay, we got to make this happen somehow. And I am tracking down the people who may actually have the answer

to my question. All right. So, so in terms of timeline, you were already investigating what was going on when the famous CBS interview happened. Is that right? Yes. So the CBS interview happens and that was, it's, it's, it's crazy because it felt like Jordan was basically trying to not, she was trying to hide something, but it had the reverse effect where everyone was like, holy shit, what is this? And everyone started looking at it. So when that happens, are you like, oh, here

we go. Like this is, this is now going to be a huge story that people want to talk about. Yeah. I was really worried at first that I was going to be beaten on the story that I was very early on. But what ended up happening actually was that people felt like we were at a last straw kind of a moment. So a lot of the stuff with Carolina, frankly, the timeline of this, that stuff changed when it came to the administration and the higher ups at the university because of CBS. Look, a lot of the conversation behind the scenes has always been who's going to tell Bill? Who's going to tell Bill that this is a problem? And the CBS thing was the number one example to date of just it being forced into a public forum in which every tabloid

was demanding answers. And also CBS itself was saying, hey, this statement that was released about the agreement that Jordan Hudson and Bill Belichick and CBS had, that's a lie. That's not true. And that is something that I reported as soon as it was happening. And I can confirm, yes, there was no agreement, all that stuff. But that was the, it was really the tipping point that actually unlocked a lot of sourcing on this, which was good for me as much as I feared it at first. Do you have the footage of the CBS interview uncut? Because I would assume there was, from

everything I've read, there was more than one interruption during the course of that interview and obviously there's been reported that it was a 30 minute walkout. Yeah, no, I've confirmed that there's like 30 minutes of video with a lot of her giving hand signals, you know, again, Spygate style. One might even say. I love that. Hand signals that there are people who are on set at CBS who are really irritated actually

that they haven't released it yet, because this is, again, you guys, our instincts are the same here. Like everyone would love to see that. But the comedy of like what that was is that this was CBS Sunday morning right so like they're like we don't we don't want to do that they didn't want to do any of this they handled this even even the expose around like here is Jordan Hudson behind the scenes in the way that she didn't realize she was on camera

that was handled so classily that it just sort of indicates that they don't actually want to pick a fight about this. It's just that they were driven to the point where they couldn't do any of the other stuff that they wanted to do. Like what I was told about that day was, and I don't think I've said this elsewhere, but like Balachek shows up late because he's on the phone. It's a recruiting thing. And so there's a bit of a sort of like a mess as they show up. It's his old high school in Annapolis, Maryland. The whole thing was, that was the Navy sweaters, by the way, like she says to people that she picks his clothes out for him, by the way.

And so they have these Navy sweaters, his is full of holes. People have asked me, have you heard whether those holes are like, you know, if that's stolen valor, like the game wornness of it, is that real? Did she take a car and run it over a bunch of times? That was asked to me and I was like, I don't know the answer to that question. But the thing about what happened was they never got to the part where they like actually say, and we're at the high school where Bill Belichick was and they do the walk and talk, you know,

the walk and talk. Yeah, they never got to do the walk and talk because the thing exploded because of this question that again, as everyone now has seen, I think the acknowledgments of the book, like one of the first people he thanks is his idea mill and creative muse, who I am told separately, did in fact come up with the idea for the book. And so when they asked the question, how'd you guys meet, the idea that this happened in that way is so flabbergasting to everybody that they had no choice but to acknowledge it in the thing they put on air. Right.

Do you have any idea why she didn't want him to answer that question? I know it's been speculated that maybe there's a reality show coming out or some show between the two of them where she's like, that's RIP and so I want to save that. I don't want to give that away on CBS Sunday morning. Yeah. The two theories, the two clubhouse leaders, and we don't look in fairness to Jordan Hudson, right? Like I emailed her, she did not respond. I don't know her point of view on these things. All I can do is report as exhaustively as I can around this stuff. But there are two

clubhouse leading theories. One is the one that I also, yeah, I believe is quite real is that she has this understanding of exclusivity, where if she says something in one interview, she can't then sell it to a different outlet for a reality show, for instance. So another subplot of the CBS thing that I was told, by the way, that the whole thing they wanted to do at first, the original idea for it was not Annapolis, Maryland.

It was North Carolina. That would make sense. Of course, everybody would. That's a good press. But Jordan was the one, or at least she had a very controlling interest in saying, we can't do North Carolina because we're doing that for something else. And maybe that was going to be hard knocks.

Maybe that was going to be the other thing, but that was not the whole high school thing was supposed to be North Carolina. And she was instrumental in saying, we're not doing North Carolina. And so the next theory, um, just on top of that, and I don't think I've, I'm realizing how much I've spent. I just, I didn't have enough time in the episode for all of this stuff. So my memory is being jogged out. But the other thing is that she didn't want to acknowledge her actual age at the time that they met. And this was something that we pieced together because we pulled.

And this is one of the creepiest things I'll ever say. We pulled Miss Maine footage from last year. And you're like, she says Jordan Hudson, Hancock 22. And that pageant was in March. Right. So last year, March 2024,, she's 22 February, 2021 logically she would be 19 years old. Okay. Which I like. So obviously there's a big age gap. Uh, that makes some people uncomfortable. Not going to disagree with that, but 19 and 20, they are both over 18. So that's the weird part to me. Why? I don't understand why that like 19 and 20 makes a huge difference from

their perspective. It's already the age gap is already what it is. There's no, I fully agree. Yeah. Oh, my, my whole thing here is not like, man, now we've crossed the line. It's right. Frankly, like Bill Belichick's yums. I'm not here to yuck any of them. Like whatever you want, dude. Like it's not my issue. What I'm doing though is trying to figure out a consistency of like how she presents and tells the truth or not around who she is and what she's up to. And when it's coupled, all of that is coupled with this thing that I reported about how there is this staff directory basically that was passed around, the UNC wives and girlfriends of the coaches in which she put her age as April 2000 instead of April 2001. Again, the exercise here and this is just it's stupid the degree to which we got into detail on this.

But look at your keyboard. Look how far apart the zero and the one are. Yeah. It's just hard to accidentally mistype your own birthdate when the difference is zero, zero or zero, one. And so people are saying combined with Instagram sleuthing, and by the way, his, Helchek's family is, is in, again, in a parallel way, looking at all of this stuff,

even more deeply than me, you can imagine. And they're saying to themselves, hold on, there are these Instagram posts that used to have explicit birthday details that have been edited out of posts. That's what I was told. I haven't gone through, I don't have the before and after on that. I just know that people have been noticing that she has been cleaning up what age she says she is. Have you gone back at all through the Manning cast, all the appearances that Belichick made

in the media from his house or from his studio? Is she behind the scenes running the camera on that? Can we go back and say, oh, she's in the room for all this? What I can tell you is that when he filmed things, that NFL films, Mount Laurel, New Jersey, that big headquarters Like the only media companies ever trusted because he's again a football guy the utmost way in a real way NFL films was his thing the president of NFL films by the way that dude started as as a

Guy who was with the oh one Patriots like doing the behind-the-scenes footage So like he's had a deep trust there What I can tell you is that when it came to when he was filming stuff, those shows inside the NFL, the underdog show, the McAfee stuff, the Peyton stuff, it was all out of this one set. And the people on those shows, dozens of people all say that she was around all of the time.

So literally, I don't think she was behind the camera, but physically, I think she might've been somewhere behind the camera. It was just all happening at the same time over last summer, that off season, and she was there always. So what we've seen since the pod came out and since the CBS Sunday morning thing came out is kind of a, the UNC brass is kind of clearing things up.

Are they issuing public statements saying that she does not work for the program. She's Bill's personal social media person, personal PR person. Doesn't have anything to do with UNC football. And then today Belichick said that he's excited to be back in meetings. He's probably the first person who's ever said that. And that she has nothing to do with UNC football.

And so is that something that's changed in the last week? Yes. Yes. This is, this is my whole thing about the ban. This is like the weird nature of this story is that the CBS thing opened the floodgates as you guys detected. And what happened since is this power struggle behind the scenes from the very top of the university telling the football program in a meeting, she can't be around anymore. We don't want her around anymore. She won't be around anymore. And that message got out around the program. And simultaneous to that has been the hiring of a PR guy who is very notably very different from Jordan Hudson, guy who used to work for the bears, actually, a guy who used to, who's, who's like a legit, just like normal.

He's a friend of mine, yeah. Normal, totally normal, like competent guy, who I presume, I haven't spoken to him. Brandon Faber, right? Yeah, he's very, very, like he's very good at his job, yeah. And I think one of the ways you can be good at your job is to just remember that like, oh, wait a minute, Bill Balachek loves football,

and the more he talks about football, and the less that he has to talk about Jordan Hudson, the better. And so everybody behind the scenes has, and this is from his family to his inner circle, right? So Matt, Patricia, Josh McDaniels, Mike Lombardi, those guys who did nothing by the way, to stop Jordan Hudson from basically running the show behind the scenes. Everybody is now finally like, Oh my God, we have our opening to finally make sure that the thing that she was, which is CC'd on every single email at Carolina by Belichick's request. That's what the foyer records were by the New York Times and the athletic, which they did scoop me on. And I, I am still irritated that I didn't

get those emails, but that stuff they're undoing that piece by piece. And Belichick saying, she's off to the side. That's a personal relationship, right? That is very different from the statement after the CBS thing in which of course, Jordan and Bill released a statement saying, we have a personal and professional relationship. And the UND part has always been, wait a minute, does this mean Belichick productions or does this mean Carolina football? Because Carolina football is the place where everybody's terrified that this is undoing the whole, the whole notion of hiring bill Belichick in the first place. So this is, this is at its core, a very relatable story in that everyone knows a friend who maybe had a significant other who they didn't really approve of, but you can't

be the guy who says, Hey, I don't like your girlfriend. I don't like your boyfriend because you know that that will just drive a wedge in your friendship with them. And now that all this has come out, they finally have their opening to be like, Hey, just like we've been thinking this for a while and now we can act on it. Yes. It's the equivalent of like one day, you know the the hopefully Future ex-girlfriend of your best friend She sends a text and you're like I think we have our way in to start the conversation That all of us have been too afraid to talk about like right and instead of one text

it's been a series of Public interviews and behind the scenes right Astor's that have followed her and again I the whole thing about why is she so bad? I wanna make clear, I don't think she's like a super villain. I don't think any of that. I just think she's a deeply ambitious young person that weirdly like the parallel, the most generous parallel I can give her is that

it's as if your friend started dating like Mark Zuckerberg one day. And that guy just thought he knew how to do everything. And the unintended consequences of what he was building ended up costing a lot of people their sanity. And I think that there is just a... There's an ambition here without a knowledge of how the industries she's trying to take over works. And that has been something that people have been repeatedly saying.

It's like Bill Belichick has become a vehicle for her ambitions, for everything that she's just like channeling everything that she thinks she knows about the world through Bill, who has a big presence already. And so now she's got a big platform with which to make these mistakes that maybe somebody just starting in the industry might make on a low key basis. And she's the queen. And she's very driven and successful and well-read. And there's a lot of people out there who are very intimidated by motivated women.

And also the whole part about asking about her age, Pablo, I think that's a little uncouth. Yeah, we said that. I don't know if you heard that part, but that actually is illegal. You never ask a woman's age, so jail for you. I did feel checkmated. It is weird for me to feel checkmated on wokeness by you guys, but I do feel committed on that. Well, that's us. That's us. I did have a question. I asked this

on the last podcast, because it just occurred to me, with the timeline of everything, is there a chance that she had anything to do with Bill not getting any NFL jobs? Yeah. It's a really good question. And so the time this is question, this is, this is, this is truly good question. The reason why, the reason why it's relevant to me is because I have been thinking about how to confirm just the timeline of when they started dating.

And so, you know, when big cat is asking like, isn't this kind of like you have a friend who has this significant other that you don't like and are afraid to say so. The other parallel question I have from real life is like, when did Bill Belichick DTR? Like, when did he what how do you how does one define the relationship with Bill Belichick? Because what I can tell you is that people started seeing Jordan Hudson in Bill Balachek's. So there are these outdoor seats he has not in a box but in Gillette like out in the end

zone. I think it's section 120 although not reporting that I'm just that's what I have been told to section 120 ish and in November 2021 Jordan Hudson was sitting there. And so again it but is that again, is that having DTR? Is that just like, oh, a guest, a friend? Like, are they friends with any degree of whatever? Like, I don't know. But I just know that it happened very soon after actually they met on that plane in February

2021 in terms of her showing up around the Patriots, actually. So this is definitely during his NFL tenure in a quite noticeable way. Does she design that stupid fucking lighthouse at Gillette? It wouldn't shock me if she was behind- I don't like your tone. If she was behind that fake lighthouse. No, but then it would be a work of art if she did.

Yeah, if you know the motivation behind it, then you can truly understand the story behind the lighthouse. But as it stands, it's just a piece of kitsch. But if we knew that she was involved, then you truly understand- Greatest lighthouse ever. Begin to see the depth of the artist's But as it stands, it's just a piece of kitsch. Yeah. But if we knew that she was involved, then you truly understand. You can see, you can see the depth of the artist's brain. But yes, he does. He does love a nautical theme, you know, not reporting that. He does love fishermen and stuff. So I'm just saying, yeah. What's up? PFT pointed this out the other day on our, our group texts and I did see, I think the New York post might

have reported about it. What's up with the ring camera stuff? So there was a famous bill Belichick leaving a house farting in a ring camera. And then there was an article I read yesterday that was like, the family is now worried that how did this get out and who might've leaked this? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I, I think I might be the person who inspired the sort of like dominoes of aggregation that got to you guys on the family being worried about this video. So the video, I think for most people,

got to be a thing because of the Tom Brady roast. So the Netflix roast, Tom Brady makes a joke around how his favorite ring is actually the ring camera video of Belichick, like shirtless, wandering around on a porch somewhere in presumably Massachusetts. The pieces then were reported, I think by the Daily Mail or something. It's hard to keep track, but like it was identified as like this is outside of Jordan Hudson's home.

It's important to realize though that the video first got released on the internet in 2023. So this was way before even I was really aware of the story or tracking it. released on the internet in 2023. So this was way before even I was really aware of the story or tracking it. And we reported on it in 2023. Yeah. Yeah, we broke that. Yeah.

Well, then the question I have for you guys is, logically speaking, how would one get that video? Right, that's what I was thinking. I just was driving home from work. I texted the guys. I was like, do we think that she released that video? And if so, why would, what would her angle be? And the only angle I could think of and what we know about Jordan would be that maybe she was pressuring Bill to be public with the relationship. The worries that have been expressed on the

Belichick family side, I think should be a little more specific here because just imagine, forget about the parallel with like you and your friend who's like roughly your age dating some woman who is just a nightmare in some ambiguous fashion. Think about if now it's your dad and he's almost 70 and he's hanging around with some people who love being online who are in their mid really early 20s. And there's this video that shows up in which your dad is shirtless. Like the first question I have is not, um, wow. Um, that's, that's how did that, I mean, really it's not even how did that get out there? It's what other videos are there?

Right. Right. And who has access? And so the question is like, look, is that I don't know. So one of the one of the I'll confess to you a bit about how my reporting process goes, because I get this video, the ring camera video, and I'm like, I don't have a good way of like nailing down geographically, like whose house this even is, even if it's been identified by various tabloids as Jordan Hudson's house. And I don't want to take that for fact. So what I did before I logged on here

is I emailed the manager of that guy, a Rainbolt, who's the GeoGyster guy. Yeah, he's incredible. And so I'm hoping if Rainbolt listens to this, please respond to your manager's email. I kind of need you to solve a mystery. Like where was this camera? Who had access to it? And again, the nightmare for me purely hypothetically is, she's got

some friends. Again, like if your friend was dating Bill Belichick, and you didn't know how serious it was, do you think you would maybe get some images or video sent to you privately of Bill Belichick? That would be the question that I think any decent son, daughter, nephew, niece would ask about their 70-year-old relative. Yeah, and again, it does feel like a lot for somebody that's Jordan's age to deal with all this stuff. So I'm not saying it's definitely her that released it.

She could have sent that to her friend. Totally. No idea. I'm dating Bill, and they're like, no, you're not. And they're like, yeah, this is him leaving the house the other day. And then that's how it gets out. That's a possibility. I just don't think that, I don't like the idea of Bill Belichick around secret cameras. That's not the Belichick way. That's not the same guy. Definitely not.

Yeah. Listen, and we should say all the stuff that Jordan has on her plate right now, it's actually impressive. Like I don't know how she does it, but she does. Yeah, she does. And she stays looking good too. Well, yeah. Yeah. How does this end Pablo? June 1st is the date that I think is the first sort of crossroads. Right. And so Belichick, as we speak here, having just said off to the side, personal relationship, she's not in any way associated with UNC football, de facto sort of confirming that the side of the power struggle that has said we need her to be in the background for PR reasons, if nothing else, that side seems to be winning. And so the June 1st date, which was always about this, by the way, it was weird before

all of this, right? The buyout clause going from $10 million to 10 times less than that. Like why would that be? Well, presumably it was because Bill wanted an out clause for the NFL. Now it seems like that is an out clause in case he wasn't really in charge in the way that he demanded to be in charge. And so him publicly going along with this now and saying, listening to everybody in his life seemingly but Jordan Hudson and saying, okay, she's not involved. That means that June 1st, if we're reading the tea leaves here is less of a, uh,

red button being pressed sort of like, this is all going to fall apart immediately. But looking ahead to the summer, right? Like you guys know how college football works. They're getting out. They're getting out of town, right? It's the summer. Like no one's really around the building. Like recruiting sure is still going on. But the whole question is, while everybody is off, minding their own devices, literal and

figurative in the case of Jordan Hudson, and our theories, is anything else going to happen that would demand some other bit of public crisis management? If the answer is no, I think that week one, him being the coach there totally makes sense. But just historically speaking, in a very short amount of time, really this statement from Belichick at the ACC meetings in which he said off to the side, personal, not involved with UNC in any way is the first time he's really said that. And so if that is the mode, I think this is a lot calmer, but it's also the first time we've heard it. And I've seen a lot of the pendulum swinging towards a lot of people being panicked behind the scenes.

It's going to be crazy once they get to the ACC Coaches Day where the media gets to ask questions of everybody. Like Bill Belichick sitting in front of a group of reporters, it's going to be huge. And they're going to be asking a lot of questions about her. He's not going to like, he might, if I was Belichick, you know what I'd do? I'd just open the book on Deflategate at that point. I'd just be like, I'm only here to talk about Deflategate. Throw him some red meat the other direction.

The ideal gas lot. Does anyone want to talk about the ideal gas lot? Yeah. Let's revisit all the stuff I never wanted to talk to you about. Or you can just ask about long snappers, and we'll talk for like five minutes about that too. So yeah, I mean, this is a crazy story. Thank you for, uh, for your journalism, journalism on it. Journalist ism. Yep. What did you say? Hank? Journalism is yeah. Journalism is yeah. We appreciate, we

appreciate the service that you did there. Do you have any questions for Pablo? Hank? No, he doesn't want to be. No, you guys, you guys are in a good job. Okay. Man. Team Jordan too. Max have a question. I just, I think you're doing a flawless job. Okay, man. Thanks team Jordan to max have a question I just max you had a question for I think you're doing a flawless job flawless job. That's that's pretty much you remain team Jordan Yep Well, I have one last question for you Pablo it's a rollback question I'll show be a CK comm promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q Zips, Polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, row back.com promo code take in your reporting. Uh, and again, everyone go, go watch and listen to,

uh, the, the episode it was released on Friday. Uh, Pablo finds out, uh, what public Torrey finds out is the official name of the podcast has there ever been? Someone from Jordan's camp that has reached out to you has there ever has anyone said hey, what are you doing? I have requested comment from North Carolina No response I've requested I mean 40 different foyers which got annoying So I apologize active Carolina on that it got to be just a bit They replied to none of them. I emailed Jordan Hudson at an address. Her email that I got that I know is hers, no response.

The Belichick camp, obviously, him personally, no response. If this is our long way of saying, Jordan Hudson, I am looking to maybe have you, maybe we could do a joint interview with her. Maybe. Yeah, we will take her side. We'll be behind the scenes sitting in chairs being like, don't answer that question. She's actually our boss now. I heard that part. Yeah. She's our boss. Wait, wait, wait. Interview in which we recreate the CVS Sunday morning interview, but you guys are Jordan and she is built for her. Yes. That's how

much I care about her. Yeah. I mean, he is our boss, though, for part of my cheesestick. We're deeply ambitious people, Pablo, and she is the perfect vehicle for us to channel all this energy that we have. Yeah. So, yeah, we're happy to do that. Oh, my God. If she does, I promise to tell the GeoGuessr Rainbolt guy to stop looking for that house. I mean, that's OK. Credit to you. That's a that's an ingenious way of trying to figure out exactly where

that house is located. That guy's an expert. That guy could testify. By the way, so we think that guy is just on the up and up, right? Because I've also been like, I don't know how this works. I just have no evidence that this is... No, he's really good. It would ruin me if he wasn't, yeah.

He's really, really good at it. So I think I've got it. And there are people I've seen. We have some people in this office who are very good at accomplishing geoguessers. So I know that it is a skill that you can hone in whether it be architecture, trees, the sun, all this stuff. Yeah, types of grass. You can study cement and figure it out that way.

Yeah, it's the indoor stuff. Sometimes he's at a mall, and he's's like, oh this mall is in Nairobi and I'm like, yeah Photographic memory I I do have one more question for you I had one one issue with the reporting you spoke with somebody that said that Jordan is what was the exact term that you use? The worst person I've ever met and I've worked with sociopaths. Yeah, I wanna fight that person. Something along those lines. Has this person ever met Josh McDaniels? Mm.

Good question. It might be Josh McDaniels, actually. Because he would be the only person in that circle that could say that. He doesn't have any mirrors in his house. Yeah. I guess for journal, for journalismistic reasons, I cannot actually answer that question.

Okay. Okay. My goal for how this ends is we get Jordan on and you just pull your hair out listening to us be like, yes, Queen. Yeah, we just ask her. We don't ask her any questions. All softballs. How do you do it, Jordan? How do you work so hard and look so glamorous?

First question. Yeah. How are you, how do you work so hard and look so glamorous? First question. Yeah. My response, my response to that would be to immediately go and buy a bottle of Plavac Molly Tweed Love. Wait, wait, read us that review again, the two strawberry. Yeah. I mean, look, so lovely, so perfect. So summery, so red. So strawberry, so refreshing so strawberry so refreshing so lightly acidic so watermelon so strawberry so lovely So enjoy it five stars So enjoy it when we get back. I love the strawberry. That's what I really want it I got I got one more question for you. Just some you know out of curiosity I don't know if you came across me this while you were interviewing people do any details about their love life? Oh, man

um Look, I don't have, journalistic-mismy-ick speaking, I don't have those specific details. What I can tell you though, is that when it comes to how Jordan Hudson's sort of, and again, not yucking any yums, like her point of view on the spectrum of human love,

I think is probably maybe helpfully expressed by a certain museum and shop that her mom, Lee Hudson, operates as the business manager in Provincetown, Massachusetts. And I don't really know how it is that this keeps happening, but this is an episode that also contains a detail around a 20, no, want to get the math right. A 28,000 year old dildo in that museum.

And I keep on having to be the guy to say, I don't have the answers to that, but I can point you in a direction where it would suggest that there's a great spectrum of possibility in terms of the answer. Yeah, Bill is a he's a student of history. Yeah. Loves history. He does. He does. Pablo, by the way, if your next investigation

is going to be how the NBA rigged the lottery for the Mavs, we are happy to talk on record. We realized afterwards we were invited. We got credentials. They showed us the room. They gave us a free buffet. And then we walked out and we realized that they just used us, uh, which we, if you give us credentials in free food, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll carry water for anyone. So we were used last night as pawns and uh, we're dumb. We're very dumb. I, what

I would ask you guys is the next time you are accidentally invited backstage into what might be a journalistically explosive room, uh, just text me and I'll be like, hey, maybe you guys should stay. Yeah. Yeah, give some questions. Be your ombudsman maybe if you wanted. Because now I'm mad that we don't actually have the answer to that question. Well, the problem was PFT and I started pulling out cash and they're like, all right, tour's

over. Yeah. They let the outdoor cat inside and they quickly, quickly realized we still got our clause. And they're like, you got to get this guy out of the room. Ernst and young guys over here looking over their shoulders. Yeah. If there's an inappropriate joke to be made, we're going to make it and then have, you know, quietly be told that, Hey, this is time to go to the buffet guys. We will be witnesses though. I mean we were there we saw it in person I'm sorry. I saw it in person. This is rigged for money

Yeah, it just is yeah I once talked to David Falk Michael Jordan's of course former super agent about because he was also Ewing's agent And I asked him about the whole like frozen envelope theory and the Michael Jordan Retirement because of gambling stuff and what David Falk told me was number one the stuff is total bullshit. That doesn't make any sense. But number two, the frozen envelope thing, he was like, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, it does. Yeah, it does. And what happened last night makes a lot of sense. It's a lot of sense. It really does. But it's still fucking bullshit. And we'll look into it too. Yeah, we'll let you know what we find out because I would, I would trust your reporting on this. Yeah. I think we should collaborate on an investigation.

Yeah. Okay. Chief's a Hawks in jail. So that one's kind of, yeah, we, yeah, I had to cross that one out. I'm sure that there's some, there's some theories that we've been working on behind the scenes. We could do, I mean, look far be it from me to overstep my bounds as a first time guest, but long time, uh, AWL, if I may call myself that, which is a real unilateral decision. I'm just saying, I've always been interested in the lost footage around Barstool Van Talk. And I may or may not know a guy who may or may not have been involved in that backstage

decision. And I may or may not be somebody who actually wants to see that happen. Episode two. Just saying that episode two is another bit of a piece of footage that maybe there's something there. Yeah, we'll see. I mean, it might've just been a long, a long joke on us by, by John Skipper. It didn't act like it.

John Skipper didn't turn the camera on for that one. Yeah, it was the predecessor to for Nathan for you. It was jackass. John Skipper's like, all right, these guys totally think they're making a show. We're going to cancel after one week. I'm waiting for the John Skipperipper Nathan for you episode to come out Be great all right well Pablo, thank you so much We appreciate it and now that you've been a recurring guest you got to come back on whenever we ask

So yeah, it will happen soon. I I hesitate to imagine what my life is gonna be like in general going forward. So anytime. Yeah I also wonder if Jordan Michael Jordan has met Jordan. Oh, oh boy the UNC connection Yeah, Jordan Jordan the most ambitious over of all time Ryan Jordan is a meme Someone not for our no way not us. all right. Thanks Pablo. Thank you guys Pablo Tori is brought to you by hey, dude. Hey, dude. Have you tried the new? Hey, dude shoes yet. They're unlike anything the Wally stretch socks are the ultimate slip-on shoe They're lightweight breathable and ridiculously comfortable. We're talking cushioned insoles that feel like little pillows under your feet on Saturday I think I put my Hey Dudes on

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Can I give you a little that keep things nice and tight? My husband claims he has no idea what that is But I'm not sure if he's lying or not to save face Hank so in the interest of our listeners out there because first and foremost We care about the listeners Can we can we try that with a little more energy just be Hank? We've already hashed it all out. Yeah, we're all good. Oh, we're good. We moved on So I heard about guys doing scrotum which is Botox for your balls What's your take on this?

Keep things nice and tight. I Personally don't care what my scrotum looks like I Don't either I do do girls care what scrotums look like I feel like Girls know that balls are weird. Yeah, like balls are just weird. The male body is weird here. Breaking news, like guys want to see girls boobs. I don't think girls want to see guys balls. Yeah. They're not like, Oh shit, what a pair of balls you got on you. Yeah. The, the female body is beautiful. It's curvy. It's artistic. It's smooth. It's, it's wonderful to look at the male body is just absolutely disgusting. They don't want to see B. No, they do not

want to see plain B. A little bit of D, not a lot of B, probably not any of the A. I just think that women would probably be cool with it if our balls were inside our bodies. If we just had internal balls, they'd be fine with that. They wouldn't like miss them. Yeah. Balls are meant to show other guys. Right. Yeah. It's way, it's way cooler to show your boys your balls than anything else and so under this like do not get scrotox because if you got scrotox and showed your boys your scrotox balls everyone be like dude what the fuck are those mm-hmm

balls are for humor which one which which which ball hangs lower for you guys my left left is it always left I think I know that I think everyone Those are for humor. Which ball hangs lower for you guys? My left. My left as well. Is it always left? Oh, I didn't know that. I think everyone's left ball is bigger than their right. Is that true?

I don't know. My left definitely does. Mine is left. That's crazy. I thought it was like kind of a, you know, everyone's different left to right. I think maybe if you're left-handed does your right ball hang lower Maybe in most individuals the right testicles slightly larger than the left what so we're abnormal well No, I don't think that matters about hanging lower. Yeah, I don't think it's just grab. I would think that it's heavier

Wait are we all wrong you're looking up testicle testicle being bigger Yeah, which way is it hang We're talking about hanging. I Will say this scrotex looks kind of lit. You're looking at scrotex balls right now. No, no the definition. Oh lead to smoother Potentially larger appearing and reduces sweat Reducing sweat is a good sell. Yeah, that's good. Can I get scrotex for like my grundle? That's where the sweat is the problem alright, so the left team's lower for most people is there anyone out there has right? That's kind of weird. I don't know that's like a unicorn the reason the reason difference

I'm actually very right now by the way max is literally checking. I watched that move He's checking his balls the difference is the reason in the spermatic cord for most guys. I Didn't know we had a spermatic cord. Yeah, is that just like the the thing that it hangs on the rope? Yeah, I don't understand any of that. Yeah, so don't I never understood I always was very confused even still am as a 40 year old man like How do you how do you pee and piss out of the same hole? I how do you how do you come and piss out of the same hole? How do you how do you come and piss out of the same hole? I do find it amazing valve though that guys are just like you know what's really gonna

You know it could impress chicks as if my balls were were less wrinkly like that's not it's not gonna work There's a little there's a little what is a little there's two holes little bridge in the there's not two holes. There's one hole Hank Do you have two holes? Little bridge in the middle. There's not two holes. There's one hole Hank. Do you have two holes? Do you think there are two holes? Sorry to interrupt you, but he just I don't know if that was a joke. As soon as Hank said two holes, I stopped listening. That's the answer for girls. That is true. The girls do have two holes. But it's part of the one larger apparatus. Guys, it's like- But do you have two holes? Do you have two holes? I mean, I'll double check, but I'm pretty positive. I have one hole. Okay. It sounds like you're a two hole guy. You have an in hole and an

out hole. I got two side holes. Yeah. It sounds like you got holes. Like a super like a trumpet. I think that's the little Dickie thing. Oh yeah. From the show. Yeah. Hey Kenny Stone. Come on. Now worried about the Celtics Hank double vacation Max. Mm hmm. I'm having an issue with fellow AWL who keeps ghosting me. I met this guy on hinge a couple years ago. We went on a one date. I thought it went well and we had bonded over our love for PMT but I didn't hear from him again after that. Last summer he liked me again on hinge but I didn't really take the bait. Then last week he liked me again, but this time his opener was joking about Max at the White House so I couldn't resist. After a couple days of messaging and seemingly hit it off, he's gone ghost again.

What's this guy's deal? Dude, get it together. What is he doing? Yeah, I don't know. Ghosting has a pretty wide definition these days. I feel like back in the day before hinge, like people just kind of stop talking. Sometimes there's no big deal, but you have like one conversation with somebody and then you stop. Then it's like a big thing. Like, oh, I got ghosted. You have to establish, I think a pattern of actually talking before you can actually be ghosted. Right? Yeah, but it sounds like they're talking. Don't anymore. But they were. And then he just went and he's done this a couple times. I think he's just a serial ghost or get it together, dude. You're

putting a bad name on AWLs. Like we'll go to this wedding. I'm going to pass. No, no. I'm actually going will go to this one. I'm happy that I was involved in a pickup line. That's pretty, that's pretty cool. That is I mean, here's what you do. Just send him the clip of this conversation right now. Yeah. And be like, Hey, you just respond to her. Shit or get off the pot. And we will send out I'll say this way, we will send a representative of Pardon my take to the wedding. Hey, dude, she wants to bang Yeah, she can't be any she wants to bang so bad that she she wrote into a podcast To ask for advice on how to get to bang you What do you think the face on these two lovebirds who are gonna end up getting married and having a beautiful life together?

What do you think their face is gonna say when Shane walks into their wedding? We give them a PMT pin well we sent our representative what are you gonna do he's got a GoPro on like he's live streaming like a surrogate we couldn't send Shane because he would totally dig down the brad same with pug yeah maybe wiper can go okay my husband 27 and I 28 have been together for seven years and have lived together for six of them We have two kids he works full-time and I stay home with the kids for as long as we've lived together He's only ever done his laundry sporadically and other times

I am the one doing it my question is do all guys wait so long to do their laundry that they end up having to wear Shorts as underwear or no underwear at all because they've simply worn all their underwear, but won't do their laundry Yes. Yeah. Yes. Mm-hmm. That's fact and Jeans sweat shirts those can be reworn. Yeah. Yeah now if you're putting on jeans without underwear, then now we're talking emergency Yeah, that shouldn't happen at that age I've discovered that my my building has a laundry room and it's changed my life Because I can see like five loads of laundry at once. That's a massive massive wind how long did it take you? What do you mean to find out that your building had a lot? Well you have in you have in Unit though yeah, but my dryer sucks It takes twice as long to dry then to wash you can't really get in and out no

It's just like the time thing like it are you sure you've cleaned it out That's nothing to do with cleanliness of dry. It's just like the lint trap have you cleaned out the yes the lint trap You don't know about the lint. Oh, no. Hey, we've done this before have you taken out the yes, okay? That's not is there another filter. It's when you click normal Start it says like our like whatever our 20 and the regular laundry washer takes 45 minutes Well, that's really getting it. That's every it's usually like 45 and 60 whatever but that is every every dryer It does take longer to dry than to watch this is too too long what it doesn't matter. I've solved the issue I recently I recently made the maybe the bougiest move that I've made got a brand new

made the maybe the bougiest move that I've made got a brand new drying and washing appliance. You can't even keep your clothes dude. Yes that's true that's valid. I'm on a hot streak though I re-upped on the wardrobe. I got a steam closet which is like a little it looks like a portable closet that you have in your house and you if you have something that you like to wear again and it doesn't need a full wash like a sweater or like sweatpants or jeans You just hang it up in this thing for like 20 minutes and you hit a button and it steam cleans it and you don't even Have to like wash it or dry it. It's actually great. That's awesome. It's a great thing Hank anything to say today about my blue shirt not black Yeah, that's good. Yeah, looks like I'm doing different fashion. Yeah, you're matching your feet. What does that look for Hank?

I just don't like you I'm you know what Hank I feel bad for you. No, you're just not you know, we got it. You're rich. Like no, no, no, AWL is like, Oh, yeah, classic steam. I feel, I feel bad for you. They're gonna come at you like they came to me for saying that I wasn't surprised tickets were expensive in New York City. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, very upset. I said it's the bougiest purchase that I think I've ever made. By the way, I do. I do think that there should be affordable tickets. I just don't know how you can do that in the playoffs because tickets always get poor section. Poor section. Yeah. Yeah. Poor section. And New York City is always good. I was thinking about it more. I think, I think people like to just judge New York

City and be like, Oh, there's no real fans there because the tickets are always So crazy, you know where it's like, holy shit to get in places a thousand dollars here and like there's no real fans There's a lot of rich people in New York City Yeah, that is true. It's a fact like the most in the country by far They should definitely have a you call it the party section No, it should be no there should be a like it should be like college basketball. There should be like a student section for NBA games where there's the cheaper tickets affordable tickets. I'm all in for that. Yeah I just don't know how to fix the other thing. Thank you. Had more guys on chicks.

I'll just do numbers. No I want to do one more. One more one more. Come on. Come on. One more time. It's just the guys hanging out together. Hey Hank, so sorry about being down 3 1 to mr. Bing bong. Anyways, my husband recently towards ACL and has decided to pick up golf for the first time in his life I supported this decision until it became his whole personality He golfs every Saturday now for hours and spends weeknights at the range or watching helpful tips on YouTube I feel like he's doing this as a way to not spend time with me He claims it's a way for him to enjoy sport without too much intensity on his knee. What do I do?

Yeah, this guy fucked up. It's hard to pick up the golf after yeah You got to be the golfer when you meet your wife Anything that you want to do that you think you might want to try to do for the rest of your life You should start before you get married. Yeah, I feel like he's doing this as a way to not spend time with me. You're dramatic. Yeah, no, he just loves golf. He like, if you want to put it a different way, like I don't think he's deliberately saying I don't want to spend time with my wife. I think what he is saying and it's probably the truth, he loves golf more than you. No, he just loves golf.

No, I mean, he loves golf more than more than her. What about at this point? What if she decided to take up golf? I'm sure he'd love that. Actually, wouldn't be. Yeah, if she was decent. Yeah, not cramping the style. I don't think it matters. Like it's just fun to get out

there. They just really need to figure out. I wish golf courses were 12 holes. That's what they need to figure out. Because there are 24. Okay. If if if if a golf round was like a guaranteed two hours, yeah, it'd be great. Yeah, it is too long. It is because what between driving out there, getting your practice swings and playing golf driving home, it's like 8 hours.

Yeah. You're looking at like a full day. So Hank sees no problem. She might be like, yeah, he's just trying to get out of the house away from me for a full day. Right. What if you just learn how to play golf? Yeah.

Like that. And then and then you guys could watch YouTube clips together. Get better together. Okay, good job, Hank. Thanks. Way to go. Numbers three. Hank, okay, good job Hank. Thanks. Way to go. Numbers, three.

Hank, I like you. Ah! Uh. I'll go six. It's not your fault. Nixon says. Seven. It's not your fault.

Nixon, seven? Celtics in seven. Oh. It's not your fault. It's not your fault. Numbers? Shut up! You didn't do anything.

Nine and nine put. I have three. Forty- three 44 good for you, man Yeah, I'll be so good Hank I hope seven gets it I'll take one 21 I'll take a hundred So all these are gonna win the series, but if they don't I hope you're right. 61 Love you guys. 44 was was was up there. Even you Jack. I even love you Hank. So I'm going to be back. So So So So Thanks for watching!