Pardon My Take - Kenny The Jet Smith, Washington Post Report And A HEATED Debate

Episode Date: July 17, 2020

The Redskins are a trash organization as a new report comes out from the Washington Post. PFT breaks down the best moments in the Dan Snyder era because there are basically none of them. (2:08-13:10)Twitter broke for blue checkmarks and it was awesome. (13:11-17:42) Fyre Fest of the week and the rehabilitation of Billy Football. (18:58-30:56) Kenny the Jet Smith joins the show to talk about Inside the NBA, working with Charles Barkley, his basketball camp, moving to a Front Office job and life inside the NBA bubble. (32:00-1:13:00) Segments include Football guy of the week for Coach O, (1:14:48-1:18:56) Bubble Life, (1:19:00-1:20:16) and we have the dumbest debate of all time that proves we need sports back in a bad way. (1:20:17-1:28:08)You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

Hey, pardon my take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen, ad-free, on Amazon Music. On today's pardon my take, we have Kenny the Jet Smith. We talked to him about NBA Bubble Life, working with Charles Barkley inside the NBA, all that stuff. We have Firefest of the Week, the big report on the Redskins being a fucked up organization has been released.

We will discuss that. We're going to do a little bonus Friday guys on chicks because we didn't do it on Wednesday. Bubble Talk, Pac Show. This is the last show before the first week that sports come back. I'll say that again, just to get everyone pumped up next week when you wake up on Monday morning, sports will be in that week. In that week. So, let's get to it before we do that.

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Use code barstool. $10 for free, $10 for the ASPCA. Today is Friday, July 17th and shocking news to absolutely no one. The Washington Redskins organization is rotten to the core. To be fair, Dan Snyder has never been accused of having like the pulse of his organization in any way, shape, or form where that's on the field or off the field. It was a bad report. It was very, very bad.

House of creeps basically. House of creeps. They just got to do whatever. Fortunately, I think everybody that was named in it is no longer with the organization. That doesn't mean that it's still not like a rotten culture right there. Well, Bruce Allen, he was one that's saying we have a damn good culture, damn strong last year. And he's gone as well.

So everybody that was really named is gone except for Snyder, who obviously is still there. I don't think that this is going to force him to sell. And actually, I think that the other NFL owners, and I think a lot of NFL teams are going to look at this report and be like, well, we can't force Snyder to sell because we all have some of the same stuff probably happening under our own roofs. Now, you're going to see a lot of people say like this was not as big as what we had anticipated. It was 15 different former employees, different women making accusations at different like

five different departments of the former Redskins, the R words. But it was not what the rumors were saying it was. And that's that worked in Snyder's favor. So like Monday rumors started trickle out Tuesday, they got a little worse. By Wednesday, I saw like Jeffrey Epstein's name like Snyder was going to be on the plane logs for that. Then on Thursday, you had the reports coming out that Snyder allegedly paid off refs, which that would be an all I knew he's a bad businessman, but for Snyder to pay off refs and go three

and 13, that would be an all time bad business move, even for him. All right. So wait, I want to back up because obviously the story itself is horrific. The fact that all these women is probably more knowing that that's the culture there felt so uncomfortable at work and it was such a bad culture and credit to anyone who came forward and spoke up and was like, these guys are this is just a terrible, terrible place and they all should be held accountable for it. The media part pisses me off to no end because anyone who said out loud, there's a big report

coming just to flex their own muscles and like and boost their own fucking social cloud and say, I know something you don't know. Get ready for it. You're a douchebag because you basically made it about that and it shouldn't be about that. It should be about the actual report and the women that came forward. You actually helped out Dan Snyder by gassing this up so much. So if you sat there and like, I've been hearing, I know this like a lot of reports, a lot of rumblings.

Fuck you, man. This is the worst part about social media and how the media works now where everyone has to try to flex about how they have something before everyone else. When the actual story is bad, really bad, but because you made it such a big deal going up until Thursday night, it basically like you just said, it makes it almost lets Dan Snyder skate by being like, well, there weren't that the things that we thought were going to be there. There are people who are sharing text messages pretending that they were in the know.

I got the same text message tweeted at me and sent to me like a hundred times on Thursday. Everyone being like, here are the details. It was crazy. So maybe I listen, I'm not even going to pretend that the media is going to do it differently next time because they won't do the same thing. They'll do the same exact thing and they'll make the same mistakes, but it should be called out because it sucks that it kind of overshadowed all the women that came for it. It's a bad report.

And if you look at what came out in Carolina a couple of years ago with Jerry Richardson, remember Jeans Friday, that whole thing? It's very similar. In fact, you could make the argument that this is worse in a lot of ways. It doesn't directly name Dan Snyder, except for saying like he was absolutely aware of it and he should. And also doesn't like male cheerleaders and he doesn't like male cheerleaders. He made one of his, his employees who used to be a male cheerleader in college do cartwheels

to keep him entertained like a scene from Succession or something like that. So it was, it's a bad report. I don't think that Snyder is going to sell. I don't think that that's going to happen, even though the minority owners are trying to sell their stakes. Yep. I don't know how that's going to, that's like way above my pay grade to even understand how people with that much money go about selling minority shares in the team to like

influence maybe a hostile takeover. I don't know if that's possible or not. I do own a minority share in the breakers and the water dogs. We never send people. But we never send the paper. The CEO of FedEx signed paperwork when he, no, we own so much stuff that we never signed paperwork for. So, but that's actually good.

So if we could, we ever have to, we can just be like, yeah, we never signed paperwork. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So we're not culpable for anything that happens under a watch, which is always a good place to beat. But yeah, it was a bad report. It was, there's, there's nothing positive that you can take out of this. It, it's not really surprised to a lot of people that have been around Washington. And like, I grew up a fan of the team and it's sad.

It's so sad what's happened. That's why I don't talk about them being my favorite franchise that much or I don't like, I don't root for them like I root for my other favorite teams because this type of stuff is the rule, not the exception. It happens all the time and you know, that's a poisonous culture and it's, it's difficult to love a team that you grew up loving for the longterm when this stuff happens all the time and there's very little to be happy about. In fact, I sat down, you know, you've seen like the A to Z guide of why Redskins fans

should hate Dan Snyder that Dave McKinnon wrote a while ago in the Washington city paper. You saw, you've seen like all the reasons why Dan Snyder is not a good person and why Redskins fans should not like him. But I actually think that sitting down and listing the 10 best things that have happened to the team since he's been the owner is actually worse to read it out loud and it puts it in perspective. You're like, holy shit. This is actually, this is as good as it gets for skins fans.

So I made a top 10 list. You want me to start at 10 or at one wherever you want section five, start, start five. Okay. Number five, go five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, one, two, three, four, and these are all dead serious. When I say like, these are my favorite memories. These are the things that I look back at fondly as a Redskins fan. These are actually them.

Number five, I have a looking at our coaching staff from 2012 and being like, man, we had Kyle Shanahan and we had Sean McFay and we had Matt LaFleur. That was pretty cool. Okay. That's good that we had. I think that should have been three. We had good assistant. Well, you haven't heard my top three because they get pretty good after that.

Number six, we went five and three in the second half of the season with Marty Schoenheimer and then we fired Marty right afterwards, but still we went five and three after starting out 0 and five that year. That's pretty big, right? That's huge. That's very memorable. Number seven, we did go nine and seven with Kirk Cousins and then on top of that, we didn't pay Kirk Cousins $90 million.

Smart move. So that's a feather in our cap right there. Number eight, we had two really good left tackles that played really well for a long time. Chris Samuels and Trent Williams, two guys that were awesome stalwarts to watch on the left side and then they both quit in their prime because they would rather quit than play for the team. Yeah, but still that seems negative.

But there's something cool about watching the positive. But every game you're watching those guys, you're like, yeah, these guys are awesome. I love having these guys. Keep positive. Number nine, Sean Taylor. Yeah. Just his presence. He was awesome for like two and a half years when he was here.

Number 10, Colt McCoy was the backup one time and he came in during a Monday night football game and he beat Dallas. That's 10. That was 10. That feels like a good regular season game. Yeah, that feels like we beat Dallas. Then you want me to go number one? One.

No. Go four. Okay. Four. Then I'll count down to number one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Number four. Now the suspense gets in there. This is where it gets really good. We won five games in a row in 2005 and Clinton Portis was dressing up as characters during all his interviews. And by the way, the stuff that I'm listening here, this goes back to like 97. So this is 23 years. These are the best things that happened to us.

Number four was we won five games in a row. Number three, just when Gibbs came back. Yep. And was like, oh, this could work. Yeah. And it didn't. It was an off season where we were like, holy shit, Gibbs is back. That's awesome.

Yep. Number two was four months of Robert Griffin in 2012. Yeah. I was going to say it has to be one or two. Yeah. And then that got short because the field was sandpaper. It was actually just kitty litter that we spray painted green and the tours knee up because Dan Snyder told Mike Shanahan, hey, please play Robert Griffin.

And then the number one best part of the Snyder era was we won a playoff game. We beat Chris Sims on the road in a playoff game and we scored one offensive touchdown. And Chris Sims is mean to Blake Bortles. And Chris Sims, I don't think he had a spleen at the time. So we beat a spleenless quarterback by seven points and scored a touchdown on offense. Wins a win. And that was the best part of being a Redskins fan for the last 23 years. That's pretty good.

That's pretty good. Top 10 list. It makes being a Bears fan seem pretty sweet. It's not competition. I'm just saying. Yeah. I'm just saying it's it's been miserable. It's awful.

So I don't know what like happens from here. I don't think that, like we said, I don't think Snyder gets has to fourth. Is forced to sell a team, by the way, just in a total aside, as an extra like cherry on the shit sandwich that is Daniel Snyder's Washington Redskins doing the name change on Monday, knowing that this report's coming out. What a fucking asshole. Like what an asshole. And then he kept letting like small little details trickle out during the week so that

the report would have to go back and be edited and then fact checked again so that he kept pushing it back like day by day by day. And now, but he did hire a lawyer to take a look at things. OK, that that will usually say that you hire a single lawyer to examine your organization. The only positive I'd say is that Darren Revelle is a fucking idiot again. Yes, so Darren Revelle took his tape. He read a story detailing rampant sexual harassment in an organization, 15 women coming forward, bravely coming forward, and his takeaway was sorry to disappoint Redskins fans, even

in the cancel culture. That story while horrific isn't going to take down Daniel Snyder. That was his number one takeaway. Number one, which is, of course, of course, Revelle like just figured out like to tweet about cancel culture. You've got to look at the brand, Darren. Now cancel culture is officially canceled because Revelle knows about it. It's over.

That's that's exactly right. When he gets on board something, when it's either him or Chris Saliza, once they get on the bandwagon or something, it's officially done. You can't talk about it anymore. See. So the other thing that we had going on, which seems like forever ago because there's been a lot of news today, is Twitter getting hacked and restoring itself to like 2010 Twitter when it was awesome and there were no blue check marks.

And I got to say, that was awesome to watch. I was so happy to see people like no blue check marks myself included like I was. That's fun Twitter. And Twitter was back. It was pretty triggered at all that you know, couldn't it was actually it was great. Were you PFT a little because you are like you kind of sold out when you said you were there for sure. Yeah.

And then he did. I didn't want to. They forced it upon me. Even though you will. You also replied to the email that I gave it back. Who wants to get. No, I gave back that check and then I got another one, but then I got another one on the same days.

Everyone else. No, Twitter just forced it on me. It just happened. Also, I never got a blue check mark because this is going to blow your mind. It's actually a white check mark that's surrounded by blue. Nice privilege. Um, the it was great though to watch Twitter just like implode and it was so lame to watch other people retweet their old the blue check marks, retweet their old tweets.

I hated that. This is like you got to make it about the blue check marks. Find a burner. Yeah. And a burner. Exactly. Well, do it for my brother. You had Lee Roy.

Yeah. Billy was so nervous when I told him to give me the keys to his fucking Twitter account. He was like, what are you going to do? Like the most guilty response possible. I was like, dude, I'm going to fire off like three tweets and you're going to get a couple hundred followers. It was kind of nice though. Just scrolling through Twitter and not reading anything about like the New York Times op-ed

department. Harper's letter. Yeah. Oh, like it was, it was cool. Yeah. Politics were taken out of Twitter. It was, it was blissful. Yeah.

I'd actually be, I would, I would subpoek who myself if it meant that I could just scroll a website and not be angry all. We are self loathing. White check marks. Oh, I hate, I hate. I have such a love hate relationship with Twitter and it's become very much hate recently. It is a trash website. Yeah.

All right. So that happened. Hank, you felt, you felt awesome, right? Yeah. You try and do the trick ones. It was a great moment. Not a trick ones. I was just like, you know, trying to interact with my friends and you guys were unable to

do that. We weren't there. Liam went to my Instagram comments and was like, sorry about Twitter, bro. Just running up the score. It's all right. It's fine. What ended up happening with the hack? They, so they hacked into a bunch of like prominent accounts and then said, if you like reply

to this or send me Bitcoin, I'll send you double the Bitcoin that you send me. So Elon Musk tweeted something like that out. I think they hacked Joe Biden's too. Bill Gates, Bill Gates, which is like Bill Gates getting hacked is a wait, but that's a terrible hack. Did they make any money? I think they did. Yeah.

It probably made a shitload of money. Like 70 grand or something. Oh, that could have been a fake tweet. That could have been. Uh huh. Did it come from blue check? The guys on fake or not real or not are not up to speed this week. I saw one tweet.

I was like, look at how much money this person's made. This is disgusting. Hmm. Are you going to officially, are you officially retracting Will Smith and 50 cent? Yes. Wow. That's big. You were adamant.

I was. I don't say. What changed? What changed? It was just one of those. I, I, I, you know, had some self reflection. I looked myself in the mirror and I was like, you're not on your game. Was it Steve?

Was it being in company of Steven Shea? That and then waking up to like a hundred people tweeting me being like, this was the most fake thing of all time. Yes. That's a great feeling. That usually is like, you know, if you check your mentions and there's a common theme, it's like, all right, this is probably a mistake and just seeing a million of those. I said Russell Westbrook had a triple double season.

Like dude, it was three. I was like, okay. Yeah. I said what I felt. But then there was one. The LG thing too. Yeah. The LG average.

Well, the LG thing. I mean, LG is, I don't, I, I do not take back my disdain for not being able to figure out you. LG is to blame. Yes. LG. If you have like that's insane. I couldn't believe it.

If you have Hulu and you have Disney plus as part of your apps and you don't have ESPN plus. Now you see. LG. Yeah. Fucker. LG. You're fucking fucker.

Yep. Very, very disappointing. All right. Let's get to Firefest. Wait. Did the 50 cent thing? Yes. He definitely did.

That's so dirty. Yeah. So it is kind of real. That's what 50 cent does. He does. He, he, 50 cent is fast and loose with his Instagram account. He will post some crazy stuff. Remember that?

He was blasting some guy a year or so ago being like, this guy owes me money and just posting about him nonstop. He does not give a fuck. Don't get on a bad side of 50. The best was the, when everyone was doing the ice bucket challenge and he just turned it into a competition between him and Floyd Mayweather trying to get him to read one page right. Yeah.

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I don't know. I have so many. Would you like it? Oh, wow. Maybe I can give you one so that you don't have to worry about which one of yours you have to pick. Yes, please do. Okay.

How about have you seen what's happening with baseball with the Nationals Yankees opening day is next Thursday. They might have to just not play the game in D.C. Instead, they have to play it in Florida. Why? Why go to Florida? Because D.C., I guess because of their restrictions, they don't allow- Florida seems like a bad place to go. So either Fredericksburg, Virginia, I think, or Florida.

Yeah, that was going to be on my list. That was going to be on yours? Thank you for taking one off. Okay, I got one for you. You got a dog. That was going to be mine. And you now have to take it to the vet and you are late to work. And I haven't been getting a lot of sleep.

So it's like- But as you know, big cat working with you for so long, it's nice to have something to relate to like both being fathers now, not getting a lot of sleep. So it's good to be able to be on your level and understand that level of tiredness. Yeah, and also you're probably extra tired because your dog's had an Instagram account for like three days and already has like 17 posts. And 11,000 followers. Wow.

Wow. Is it going to break news? Wow. I was thinking about that yesterday. We'll see. We'll see. We'll talk to you. We'll see what the veteran dogs committee thinks.

Norman. It'd be good to have- yeah, Norm. Is it Normie? Norman. I was telling big cat we should call it Yoko Ono. It's breaking this fucking podcast up because you're always late to stuff. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let it out.

So it's got a camera. Oh, yeah. You start calling it dog Yoko. That was also borderline maybe an excuse. I kind of just forgot about that meeting and blamed the dog as- The meeting you set up. Yes. There's nothing worse than getting a text like I was walking out of my house and like

big cat was like, are you here? And like, that's like the worst text to get because I was like, uh, no, you text me probably means I'm supposed to be. We are in this weird zone where I feel like everyone needs to relearn the rules to society and how to like be here for a work day. Like we opened up the office and everyone, they sent out an email and they were like, hey, you don't have to come in if you don't want to, like absolutely no pressure. But there's been like eight people here.

Yeah. Like everyone was like, oh, sick. Good. Having a meeting was crazy. Yeah. We actually had like a business meeting the other day. Yeah. It really took a day.

It's pretty much where this crew part of my take is like 70% of the office. Yeah. I feel like get dressed and put on pants to talk business with somebody. So I think that's, I think you get a pass for that, but please don't. We call that a billy when you just lie about why you're late. Don't do that. I won't. I won't.

Trust me. It's been very enlightening. I haven't deal with deal with that this summer. Yeah. But the meeting was about Groot Week, which is going to be very exciting. Yeah. More details coming soon. Yeah.

It's going to be a little something different this year, obviously. Because we can't go anywhere. Can't go anywhere. But we'll try to make it work. Yes. All right. PFT. Rice University.

Rice University has announced that they're going to open this fall, but the class are going to be outdoors in a tent and you have to bring your own chair. It's BYOC for rice. Whoa. Yeah. So it's actually going to be like a fire festival. I'm sure they'll hand out shitty lunches and styrofoam containers. Blink 182 is not going to be there most likely.

That's completely ruined. Also, remember the day when you were like, Hey, let's do class outside. It was great. Now that's ruined. And it's Houston. It's Houston. And in September and October, you're going to be like, Can we have class inside today? Please.

Damn. Bonus firefest taxes. Oh, did you do? I'm trying to do them. It was yesterday. It was late. Right. Two days ago.

And there's... You might as well just give up, though. If you haven't done it now. Just give up. There's really no difference between not paying it now and not paying it ever. Right. You already fucked up. Once you're late, you're late.

So what are you trying? What are you doing right now? You can't get really pregnant, you know? Are you actually doing them right now? Yeah. Okay. I need to get another form that I don't know where to find it. I don't know who to ask for it.

That's the worst when you're on TurboTax and it makes you go to the IRS's website and download a PDF. Yeah. Could you just upload a random piece of paper? I don't know. I don't... It's almost like Homer Simpson balling up his taxes and throwing it to the left. If you upload a PDF, it will let you submit.

And then once you submit, they'll be like, Oh, you uploaded... Upload a blank piece of paper, like shit, I hit the wrong thing. And then you get an extension. Dude, just upload like a podcast audio file and then, oops. Yeah. Yeah. And then... A blank white piece of paper and be like, Fuck, I thought that it must have scanned

it incorrectly. And there's no... I don't know who... I literally don't know who to contact to get this and it's the office isn't open, so I can't go upstairs and like ask someone. Who to contact? Like at the IRS? No.

I think someone here probably has a form I need. You know what you should do, Hank, instead of putting that form on there, you should just attach a jpeg. It's pre-recorded. This is from Monday. Yes, it's from Monday. You should attach a jpeg. Just a picture of wood and send it into the US government.

Just troll them. Yeah. Government loves meme, bud. Yeah. Tax this, bitch. Here's your extension. It's extended down to the floor. Yeah.

Okay. All right. So do that. Do any of those things. You got this, Hank. All right. All right. PFT, what's your firefest?

It was Rice University. Oh yeah, Rice University. Yeah. Thoughts and prayers to all the students there that are just going to be sweating their sacks off outside. One is, I've already been accused of killing the word glizzy, and that was quick. I feel like it's just getting started. Glizzies are hot dogs, and I've already been told, hey, dude, it's not cool when you say

it, so that sucks. I've been seeing glizzy a lot, though, recently. I've been seeing glizzy memes, glizzy pictures, left and right. Why did glizzy become such a thing? I don't know. But I tweeted. I was like, yeah, I'm a glizzy gladiator, and then Coley, our coworker, was like, dude, we were hoping that we could at least get this through summer before you figured it

out. So sorry, I kind of killed that, and then my other firefest is I'm a father of two now. So I have my son, my actual son, and I actually have to housebreak Billy football. I'm taking it upon myself. He's been acting out. He's terrible manners. I am going to, and I want this on the record. So PFT, Hank, Jake, Liam, if Billy does something rude to you, you can absolutely come to me

and blame it on me. I will take on this for it, and we will make this boy a man after what I've seen the last week and a half. We're going to do this as a team, okay, Billy? Okay. Do you have anything to say for yourself? I don't really know what I did wrong. That's the first problem, though.

I will teach you that. I will teach you it. We definitely need to get those squirt guns. For people who don't know, we order dinner every single night when we work late here, and the food came, and Billy took the bag, started rifling through it, took his food out, started eating his food, and just didn't take anything else out of the bag. It was like, oh, that's all the food. And we're going to teach you manners.

It's just simple manners. You're not a bad person. It's just manners. I'm very open to growth as a person, so I'm very welcoming of this. And you also just are late every day. And to be fair, Billy did take his shoes off, and he washed them with his other clothes. Okay. So we've got steps.

There's that. We can do this. You're going to be the finest young man I've ever created. I'm very excited. Yes. I'm going to have you. I want you to win a suit and tie on Sunday. Seriously?

Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Jake's got one for you. Mm-hmm. Look good. Feel good. Feel good.

Podcast good, Billy. Yep. That's a test, by the way. I have to wear a suit? You think I asked you to do two days ago? His taxes? No. I think I asked you to do his taxes.

Two days ago with the hashtag. Do you have a final figure for me? Uh-uh. He didn't. No, he didn't. He didn't remember that. But, PFT, here's a... Big Cat, I'd like to report a violation from Billy football.

Hey, I haven't done it. I haven't done it. I haven't done it. PFT, here's a... You should have stopped. Here's a free, a free Big Cat fathering Billy excuse. He would say, but dude, I got you a cherry Coke today. He did.

He was a cherry Coke zero. Yeah. And Billy, to his credit, has learned that he should show up with a cherry Coke zero. He comes in the office with things from Dwayne Reed, and then he's like, oh, my job here is done. I'm also pretty sure he just wants to go to Dwayne Reed anyways, just to buy snacks for himself. All right.

We got this, dude. We got this. First order of business. Do the thing PFT asked you two days ago. Okay. I will. Okay. Thank you.

Your firefest. My firefest of the week. I've had a pretty solid week. Okay. I'm just crushing it at work. Home work. I'm doing everything great. That's so perfectly Billy, like no complaints here guys.

Oh, you lost your, I got one for you. You lost your whoop charger on the jet ski as well. No, I have my whoop charger. I found my whoop charger. I've been hitting my head on the same board over and over again. It's pretty fun. No. Firefest of the week for St. Thomas's college in Minnesota.

They are getting bumped up from D three to D one, meaning that all the D three recruits who are sitting on the bench at on a D three team are now having to play a bunch of D one schools. So now they're D one athletes though, right? They're D one. It's, it's a benefit, but then you're going to be playing D one athletes and getting dunked on and just absolutely destroyed for the next couple of years until you can recruit like D one recruits.

You know, spin zone, you're going to get on sports center a lot when you actually get dunked on by somebody. Posterized. Yeah. The Sean Bradley effect. Yeah. Well, it's just been a great week for me. Okay.

You're crushing it, man. That's good. Here's one thing I don't have to work with you on is your confidence. That's set. No, it's really kind of wavering. Yeah. No, it's not. You actually do need to use dog whisper techniques on them.

So what season Milan always says is when you enter a room with your dog, you just, you don't make eye contact with it. You make eye contact and you greet everybody else. All the humans in the room get their hellos. And then, and only then do you go over to your dog and you scratch upon there. You say, Hey, what's up? He also says three things that a happy dog needs that a happy Billy needs. Piss on your dog.

In this order. Okay. There's exercise, which Billy's been doing, I think. We don't know. He looks kind of fat, but I think he's really dropped weight recently, intermittent fasting. Fat is the reason why I'm going through the food so quickly because it's my first meal of the day. Okay.

So I'm sorry. So you should be gaining weight. Well, I have a lot of muscle. Okay. So number one is exercise. I have a hundred percent squat and bench more than anybody in this room. And because of that, I think that makes me the alpha. So disagree.

Number two is discipline. We need to work on this. Yes. You know what? We need to look ourselves in the mirror. Yes. And maybe, you know, we should do, you know how they put season Milan puts those vests on dogs and make them think that they always have a job and they're always working.

We should get Billy a dog vest and just make him have like water bottles in it all the time. Yeah. So he can carry it on to us. Diet Coke's underneath is like a Saint Bernard underneath his chin. Yeah. Just, yeah. Just a barrel of a milkshake that you're bringing around to us.

And then number three is affection. And then only after he completes step one and two, do we give him that a boy? Yeah. Then PFT will kiss you on the lips. No. What if I score 79? 75. Okay.

All right. Billy, we got this, man. I'm having an amazing time. All right. We love you, Billy. We do really love you. We wouldn't, if you, if we didn't love you, we wouldn't invest our time in you. I'm serious about getting a squirt gun though for when you act out.

Yeah. Also, everyone online, be nice to Billy. Let's go positive reinforcement for a week. Let's try a week of positive reinforcement for Billy. Everyone tweets something nice. It's getting pretty tough online. Yeah. I know it is.

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We now welcome on a very special guest two-time NBA champion inside the NBA on TNT, future Hall of Famer as a commentator, maybe, and also he has a basketball camp, a virtual basketball camp, Jet Academy that is giving virtual basketball camp lessons right now with NBA and WNBA stars. Let's start there. We'll get into everything else. What are you teaching everyone? Can we sign up for it? How old do you have to be?

A lot of questions. There is no age limit, honestly, you know, with the pandemic and social distancing and thanks for having me on, guys, but, you know, my basketball camp will cancel. My kids cancel, cancel. I'm like, you know, what are we going to do? So I thought, why should the development, if you want to, you know, from rec ball to why I want to make my high school team, I want to be a great player. I want to make my AU team, Washington development stop.

So I created the academy, the Jet Academy. And what it does is it's online. It works on any device, anywhere, anytime, or you need a cell service or Wi-Fi. And myself, Kimball Walker, Trey Young, Victor Oladipo, all NBA All-Star Breanna, Stuart, the WNBA MVP, Grinnell Grinnell. We become your personal trainer for an hour and a half, an hour and a half a day. And what differentiates it, guys, is it's live. So you can ask questions, you can upload your video.

And all you have to do is go to jetacademycamp.com, kind of explains everything. You come in, log in, and we could even make you guys players. We can make you guys players, jetacademycamp.com. Do you have, do you have anything in place though? Like if I were to sign up, can I, I'm going to skip a couple of the drills when I, when I run out of gas and then hop back in at the end. Do you have anything that, for guys like me, who you know are going to cheat? Those are guys, those guys, I've seen through my whole career.

They cheat themselves. There's guys who cheat on sprints their whole life. So you, you just joined in the club, brother, you just joined in the club. Yeah. Just come on in jetacademycamp.com. I was the king of getting real close to the line when we were running suicides at the end of camp and I would get super close, but I wouldn't ever reach down all the way, touch the line.

And then my favorite part of any summer basketball camp was the last day when they handed out awards and the camp counselors were trying to figure out, okay, what do we give the award for the kid that is not very good? And they had to like invent an award for me every year that I think they gave me like best at taking charges. Are you giving out like paper plate awards at the end of it? I do have, you know, everyone who participates, there is things that we give out. We do not give paper plate awards.

Okay. So the award will be real. I think overall again, it's just a pullback behind the curtain of what these guys are, what we've done. I always thought for me, the summertime, if I didn't work out individually, I wouldn't have made it to the NBA. Now it wasn't a games. It was the individual work that I put in because I knew what I needed to work the car.

So now you get to do side by side with Trey Young, Kimber Walker, Victor Oladipo, Breanna, you can do it. You get to go side by side with them and do the things that they felt got them there. That's the difference. Again, jenacademycamp.com. So for people who obviously are listening, not watching this, Kenny's got an awesome flex going. He's got his grand piano behind him with framed perfectly with his Emmys on either side of

his ear. That just happens to be there, right? Like you didn't, you didn't plan that. I didn't even know because typically they're at the dinner table and it's kind of, you know, use it as a toothpick. So yeah, I did not know that that was there. Yeah. So let's talk about inside the NBA because I, everyone loves the show.

It is a cult classic. It's a ratings classic too. People love watching it and I love shows like this because you know that network execs are sitting around the country trying to replicate it. And I've always thought the reason why it works is the chemistry that you guys have and you guys are truly friends, maybe not Shaq all the time, but you guys are truly friends. What is the secret sauce to you if you had to define it exactly why it works?

Secret sauce as I have people running behind me. I think the, is the authentic, being authentic, like there is no, like you say this, you argue this point, you take the right, he takes the left, it's how you feel and be an authentic to what it is. So if we all think right, we're all going to think right that day. If we all think differently, we're going to think differently that day. I think a lot of shows that I've been on, or at least tried to have me on at times, you know, they would say, well, can you take this point, I'm like, but I don't believe

that. Yeah. But we just need a contrast. No, well, I'm not the guy that find the guy who really believes in that. I think those are the kind of things that people read into. They understand. We're not just arguing to argue, or we're not just agreeing to disagree. We love the game.

We love the players inside the game like authentically love them in terms of fans and fandom. But we also quick and cheap them. We all could also consider, you know, you're not doing this right or you're doing it wrong. So when you say just now, you say things that you believe they're authentic. So that means that what you said, I think it was last week that LeBron might be in your top 10 all time. You authentically believe that. Yeah.

I think for me, my top five players of all time, and this is, we're talking about threads of greatness. Like let's, let's separate this. We're talking about threads of greatness. But you know, I'm old enough to actually have seen these guys when they were in their superpowers. So I've seen Michael Jordan in his superpowers. I've seen Kareem Abdul-Jabbar when he was Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, the superpower. I've seen him when he was Lou Alcindor.

I've seen, you know, the greats be great. So when I'm comparing it, I'm like, well, it looks very similar to what he's doing. Or it even looked better at times. So I'm not going on a reference of highlights. So is he on a trajectory to jump into the top five of all time for sure? But with three championships, and he's still on that trajectory, he's not there yet, in my opinion, just in my opinion, I think, will he be there? Yeah.

I think he will. But is he there now? I would have Bill Russell, Michael Jordan, Walt Chamberlain, you know, ahead of him. I would just, just personally me. So how long after you said that take, did it take for worldwide West or one of the Ron's people to show up at your doorstep and just knock and just stand there and just start like pounding their fist, being like, Hey, Kenny, you know, we got straight in this out. It wasn't, it wasn't even him.

It was my 12 year old son, the biggest LeBron fan ever. So we actually, I did an Instagram live with him on Sunday, like it's father versus son. He was telling me why I was wrong. And we have pictures of LeBron. He's like one of the few players that we have in the house, like he had pictures and actually have a great deal of affinity towards LeBron. I have some backstory that, you know, about his mom and how she's taking care of my mom at times and said things of, you know, but I'm going to be honest in my opinion.

I think Karim Abdul-Jabbar right now, I would put over him and there's nothing, but like I said, the threads are great, but the Bron James trajectory has them there. But I had to deal with in my own household first. Yeah. Have you ever put out a take on inside the NBA where you say it, you believe it and then you hear from the player that you're talking about and they object to whatever it is you're saying and you end up changing your mind? Not in terms of something like, this is barbershop talk where we're talking like, you know, who's

the greatest with this team beat, but in terms of like content where it's like, no, I actually said this about you in the game and I was right or wrong. I changed it because I never say like, you don't play with enough heart. You don't play with enough passion. I go, you didn't get back on defense. I run to the big board and I go, here it is. Like so I'm really backing most of my points up with film. I very rarely jump into the barbershop talk, like who's the greatest of all time, you know,

that kind of stuff. Very rarely we do that because we're on once a week. So we're covering the game itself. If we were on every day, that's when you kind of, I'm like, now it's a pandemic. I'm going on a lot of shows. I'm having a lot of fun and we start, I get into the barbershop talk and so, which is a little bit different. Yeah.

When you're getting after Shaq, can you tell his breaking point? Cause I feel like he's had it a few times where he's been legitimately angry at you guys. Do you, do you know like right at the limit to where to be like, all right, let's, let's back up. Or does it sometimes afterwards? Like he's still pissed. No, I know the limit.

I know the limit. And I, and I always push him to that limit. I want him to try, I'm going to get him to the edge. I'm going to get him where he takes off his jackets and ready to jump over the cliff. And as soon as he goes like this, I pull him back. Like I want him to always get to that moment, especially with Chuck. I want him to get there. I want to throw kerosene on it.

Just where it becomes well done and not burnt. Yeah. I like that. You're really good at it. At kind of being a potster on that show. And you, you just said it right there. You try to get Charles and, and Shaq going at each other more than you try to immediately get Shaq upset at you.

What's one thing that you can say to Shaq that you know will get under his skin immediately? I have to just agree with Chuck. But if I really believe and I agree with Chuck, he gets mad at me and I'm like, but I really do believe this. Right. Anytime Chuck and I are on the same wavelength of thought that bothers Shaq. Without question. What about something that will always get under Chuck's skin?

You have that button? I mean, I feel like he doesn't, he doesn't really care when people bring up the rings argument, but is, does that, can you bother him with that? Or is it something that gets Chuck probably most is social issues. So like, it's not really basketball issues that bother him. But if you disagree with him, you, you know, I think that could get under his skin. However, I love the fact that he allows our show to talk more than sport. Yeah.

Before him, you know, we, we were very in depth basketball show. Now we became a debt, a very in depth TV show. Yes. We went from being the greatest basketball show to one of the greatest TV shows, two different things. And, and it's a testament to all your guys' character, but I also think you see it a lot right now. People are trying to figure out how can you talk politics, social issues while also talking

about sports. You guys do it authentically where it's not, it doesn't, it never feels like we're being preached to. It feels like it's a discussion. I think that's the important distinction that you guys are able to navigate. And a lot of people aren't like a lot of shows are not able to do that. Well, you have to, you have to talk in the culture, like how it affects the culture of what you're doing sometimes or your life.

And if you're talking about it from a third person party, it doesn't resonate, right? We're going to talk about social issues, how it's affecting me, how it's affecting you. And so the viewpoint becomes real. But if you just say how it's affecting others and never brought bringing your point of view of how it affects you, then it, then it's fake. One thing I've noticed about the show is it seems like you go into each program with kind of an idea of what you're going to talk about. But it also seems like you're very willing to kind of throw away what the plan was.

If you guys get carried away or start getting hot about a particular topic, how far in advance do you plan out the show and what, like how much of the plan, the production going into every single program that you take, do you think you actually end up hitting versus how much is just like, what's getting you going in the moment and we're going to continue down this path? I have not been to a production meeting in 20 years. I love it. Yeah.

I read that where you basically got out of the second one you ever went to and that was a genius move by you. Yeah. I just like, because there's nothing going to happen on a basketball court. I haven't seen, done, heard, or been part of. So it's really about analyzing what's happening. Like I really, and he trusts, there's a Tim Colley opportunity, he trusts that I'm going to pay attention.

Well, if I'm not going to let you out there, so you really pay, I'm paying attention to things that you would never see, you know, and then like you said, if we don't always stay on course, because we would go, because if I was sitting there, I'd be like, okay, why are you wearing sunglasses and he's not, is it brighter for him and then not for you? We would talk about your sunglasses and why are you wearing sunglasses and he's not? Is it brighter in there for you or not? I've got an eye issue. Plus, my eyes are so beautiful that it would distract from anybody that's watching this

right now. They'd just be focused and just trying to be like, how can I get with that dude over there instead of paying attention to the basketball points that they're making? I'm not saying what you just said is not true, but now I know why. So are you going into the bubble? As of now, there's nothing concrete, but there is a plan for us to possibly want us to go. I'm not sure if, you know, if it would help.

I would probably like to experience it to see it, but that's my mind saying that, but my body is like, why would I want to do that? So how do you, you know, playing in the NBA and knowing these guys are now going to be isolated somewhat from their families, from the outside world? How do you think that's going to affect a team that has to be there for like two, three months? Is it just going to be, you know, they're going to come together more or do you think there's going to be that lack of release where guys are able to go out and be apart

from the team and let loose and now they don't have that? I don't know if there's any correct answer, you know, I don't, I have no idea for me. You know, I've been on like select teams that's been overseas for the whole summer away from your family. That kind of has that kind of feel. And what you're just, you're just running around with 12 to 15 guys all, all summer. So I think it has that feeling to it. When you're in it, you know, the days aren't as long as you might think because you're

practicing and the exhaustion of practicing, you know, like you need your sleep. Like you're going hard and a lot of times those teams now going twice a day, guys are coming back doing their own individual work. So that first month kind of breezes by. It's actually when there's less teams there, right? Because then there's going to be space in between games where it's not everyone's playing because when people are playing now, everyone's going to be, oh, let me watch this game. Let me see who's playing.

Let me go with it. But then when it's like, now it's only six teams left, four teams left. That's when I, that's this mental strain, I think. Yeah. Who do you think it's going to favor more? It's a team that's got more of a veteran presence on it where they might not feel that itch to have to go out and party all the time or, you know, just go, you know, entertain themselves at night or a younger team that has more energy naturally and they're, you know, able to bounce

back and recover from games quicker. Well, the party all the time is what keeps you motivated. I hope that team is going to lose no matter what, but I think the younger teams have an advantage because the lack of experience of playing on the road is no longer a factor. True. Everybody's in the same boat. There's no fans. There's no anxiety of that.

So you just kind of go at it. So for me, I think the, the lack of anxiety to actually play on the road is big. I would assume though you also played with guys who they didn't really wake up until they were in front of a crowd. Do you think that's going to be weird for them where the, not the great plays I played with didn't play with great at other times. So margin of guys, yes, but not great plays. What about shooting?

Do you think that's going to be tougher to shoot when there's not a crowd behind the basket or is it going to be easier? Oh, no, no. I don't think that differentiates it for me. We're asking you. I'm asking you. Yeah. Should I take you over?

Should I bet overs or unders? These are just us dancing around gambling questions. Tell us who's going to win. I would say that the lack of anxiety is going to allow players that you probably didn't think were great players. Go out. This guy's not bad. Now I see what he's in the league at that level for because he's going to get extra minute

because he's not going to have that away crowd or that travel or that all of the responsibilities other than basketball, they're going to play better. So if you want your things, some guys are going to average more than 10 points that typically don't. Oh, so you think Ben Simmons is going to finally hit a three? Oh, without question. He'll shoot threes in this environment. He'll shoot C because the anxiety won't be there.

I guarantee in his first game, he'll hit a three. His first game. Oh, I actually like that. I actually agree with you because I think that part a lot of his not taking threes been mental and the crowd's reaction and everybody, oh, I like that a lot. Yeah, I'm going to absolutely hammer that prop. What player in the NBA right now do you think like, is there somebody that you've got your eye on?

Like when this guy retires, he would fit in really well with our group on TNT. Man, you know, God bless him was, you know, Kobe Bryant was one. I was hoping and praying that he would, you know, come to, I was like, that would be the ultimate five. Like you had, if we had the ability to have Kobe on one end and Shaq on the other, you know, and just being able to combat the stories that Shaq always lies about, you know, about the championship runs. And then I just think that would have been the ultimate man, that would have been the

ultimate partner and it would have been a five man deaths and we'd have been like the Jackson five. He would have elevated us. I would have been, I would have got famous going through a hotel. People would have been stopping me every second cause I'm part of the Jackson five and I wouldn't have been Tito. Yeah. Yeah.

Um, we had Horace Grant on the show a couple months ago and we asked him about the famous Nick Anderson game. You obviously were on the Rockets then he said that if Nick Anderson hits one of those free throws, that's a different series and the magic probably win it, uh, win the championship. From your perspective, watching that happen, yeah, he said that that that killed their confidence and they, you know, they're a young team and they had the game one and that happens and it's like, oh man, what, like this stage might be too big for us when you're watching that on the court, all right.

Like is there a small part of you that's like, man, this is brutal for this guy. He can't fucking hit a free throw. No, I wasn't, I wasn't nervous for him. I was happy because I got to shoot the three to tie it up to send it in overtime. So, which kind of broke an NBA record on that for me. So no, I was not, and you're a competitor. You're not feeling sad for the other person. I'm just being honest, but, um, I'm interested that he said that because

I don't think they would have won the championship. Maybe it would have been closer if they felt that way, but obviously it would have won a game because they didn't win any, so they would have won one. But the reason I say that is because as a Rockets, we, we played Phoenix that year and we lost, I think on a year before we lost two games and we were up 20 both games and they came back and beat us and we were down three one. But that's what makes you the champion is that you could take the adversity and go, no, we're not going to lose our confidence over this because we really had them

and we're going to beat them because that's how we would have thought. We'd have been like, when the hell is Kenny Smith going to miss four free throws? Or Nick Anderson going to miss four free throws again in a game? Like that's how we would have been saying. Right. Like that's never going to happen. We were up 20. He missed four free throws.

When's that going to happen? We're going to smack these guys and that's the momentum that we would have had differently. So I, I don't think that they had the mindset of a champion. Yeah, I see what you're saying. That's a good point. I just, it's always, uh, I just know what we would have been saying in a lack of a word that happened. Right.

We would have been encouraged by that, not discouraged. Honestly. And it's always weird watching younger teams having that like fragile nature where when things start to go wrong, if they haven't really experienced it at that level, like you're saying, that they can't really rebound from it. They can't be like, all right, let's figure this out. That's a problem. That's a problem because yeah, I would have,

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And the reason was the guy that you were talking to harsh Grant was in Orlando. And then Dennis Rodman at the time was in San Antonio. So they didn't have the two pieces that helped them win the first three or the second three. And they weren't there yet. And I think, you know, I think the reason they lost to Orlando, even when Michael came back and was winning number 45 and 23 was not because he wasn't good enough. I just think his team wasn't good enough because Horace was in Orlando. So they were small, Shaq killing him inside.

Horace offensive rebound, Penny posting up. They lost for it. So we, we, we swept that team. Like, so they just weren't good enough as a team. Michael was still the best player, but, you know, he's got 55 that year. I think he had as close to 30 in the playoffs that year. So, but if they were bigger, man, they had, if they had Rodman, I'd have been like, I don't know, two rings.

I'd have been like, oh, in the mountain case. But I don't know if they'd be, no, but without Horace Grant and without Rodman. No, I don't think they would have done it. Are you concerned that by saying that Jordan's going to take that personally and he's going to like invent a time to see him just to go back in time to kick your ass in those playoffs? I took, I took it personally that they didn't put us more in the documentary. Yeah. Yeah. You, you played with MJ, obviously at North Carolina when you were a freshman.

Did you, at that moment, did you know like this guy's just different than everyone? No, you didn't know. You saw the growth though. Like Michael's the only player I ever met that when I met him as a basketball player, the things that he was, his weaknesses, by time, three years later, we were talking, those were his strengths. Like I've never seen anything like that. Like, oh, you know, he's not really a great jump shooter.

His ball handling is okay. No, those are the best two things he does. Yeah. Like what? Wait a minute. Like it went from not being the best to being that to me. I've never seen a, LeBron is great. You know, I don't know if his weaknesses that he came into league is that Kobe,

you know, as Kobe, you know, he's done, he's done that at times as well though. Yeah. It's just a basis. You know, magic, you know, magic wasn't a great three point. He became a better three point shooter. But it wasn't like he became the best three point shooter in the league. Like Michael became the best at it. Like that to me separated him than anything else.

Yeah. The adding on every summer of being like, hey, I'm going to add this to my game. No, no, no, it's different from adding. Yeah. We're talking about it's your strength. Yeah. Like Kareem, you know, he had the sky hook and then all of a sudden you go, no, no, no. When he left the league, he shot threes better than anyone.

Yeah. Like what? Yeah. Like, wait a minute. Like what? What? Why do you think that, uh, Hakeem Elijah one is like maybe one of the most underrated guys of all time.

It feels like he doesn't get discussed in the same way when you're talking about all time greats, but he wasn't all time great. He did, you know, without question, top 10, 11 at best, you know, player ever to play the game. But, you know, the social media, you know, the. He wasn't, didn't have a Nike deal at a tonic deal. You know what I mean? Yeah. The shoe doesn't exist anymore.

You know, like he just revelation, it just never like socially people didn't, he didn't embrace that. Right. You know, in that era. So I think that's more to do it than anything else. But as long as he has me on television, I'm going to pipe his praises all the time. Yeah. You're the perfect hype man.

Um, so there's a lot of talk about you joining a front office. I think you even admitted that eventually you will. It's not a matter of if it's a matter of when you also said, I was reading an article that you said, uh, every team in the league has told me something they've told no one else. So you want to prove it? You want to just go down the list? Like what have the calves told you that you've, they've told no one else. What year?

You say it, give us some tea. It's like, for me, it's kind of like, I always get the call and saying they'll also, I get, because I, the difference is I talk to runners, agents, players, general managers and owners. I'm like, there's no one over the course of time that has that wealth of information that consistently needs to use it. So for me, you know, like, I knew, I knew Bennett was going to be number one pick. Did you try to talk him out of it? No, it's not my job because that wasn't a question.

Like I only answer the question that people ask you. I don't, I don't work for you. So if you're not, if you go, do you think it's a good pick? I'm not going to go yes or no. I then I'll say yes or no. But if you say, do you know about him? What is his strengths and weaknesses? Because we're thinking about taking him number one, you know, I'm going to tell you his strengths

and weaknesses. Yeah. You got to be really specific to get the information if he wanted out of me that I know. I'm not going to just say things I hear that you should know also. Okay. So specific question. What's one thing that you were told before everyone else that turned out to be true that you didn't get like maybe credit for breaking the news, but we'll let you, we'll allow you in

this moment to be like, Oh, I knew that before Woj. I knew that before Shoms. I knew that before everyone. Well, I say I'm not really a breaker of news. So I don't have like that. I don't get like this trade is about to happen. I get this is what happened in practice. What should we do with this player from a player's point of view?

How should we discipline this guy? What would you want if as a, as a player, how would that make you feel? Players call me and go, well, this has happened me with ownership. How should I react to him this way? So I don't look this way or this, I need to get this message out. So I don't want it to look like I'm, you know, doing this on a team and this is not really. So I get more of that than like the secret sauce of who got traded. Okay.

I get the information that make you make that would make you a better player, team or organization. That's what I, that's the information that I usually get asked about. Well, I have the information that you need to do that. Okay. Let's drill it down even further then. So we're good friends with Blake Griffin, uh, that the lob city clippers. Why was the demise of the lob city clippers all Chris Paul's fault?

I don't know if it was all Chris Paul. Boy, I don't, I don't know that that's accurate. Kenny scratching his chin. He's looking up. Yeah. I don't know if that's accurate. I would get like, if that happened, let's say in that time, I would get a call like, I'm having an issue dealing with, let's say, let's say if it's Chris or this didn't happen.

I'm just saying how hypothetically would happen. I would get a call from Chris and he would say, well, you know, I'm dealing with my big and Blake and this is the problem I'm having. Every time I give him this information, he's taking it this way. What's a better way to do it? So you see them saying, now I already know that there might be some information about, oh, there's some friction, but I'm helping you solve it. I'm not getting a call like, yo, Chris Paul is a jerk.

Hey, see you later. Say it on TV, but I'm not getting that call. Okay. So how, all right. So let's go to something real. That was more of an inside joke because we always just try to have Blake Griffin's back. The Kyrie LeBron fallout. Well, I'll give you some information about Blake.

Okay. I was the one who told him to jump over the car. Oh, I was, I was his, they gave me as a, as a dump consultant. So I was his dump consultant. And I, and I, the rich, the original dump, he was going to dump over a Bentley and throw it up in the air, throw out of you and dunk over Bentley. But because the NBA had a deal with Kia, they made him use the Kia. Oh, that's right.

Yeah, that's good. Yes. And I think Blake said that he wanted to jump over a convertible initially. And I think it was a convertible Bentley. Yeah. A convertible Bentley. I think he said that on our show and then he got caught out of it. Came in with the idea and I said, I'm going to bring it.

And I said, I want to have a choir singing. I could believe I could fly. I'll be like the preacher. And I did the whole height man thing and he came out. I could believe I could fly. Yes. We had the choir and he jumped over. All right, so background stuff that Kenny Smith knows.

Kyrie going from Cleveland to Boston and Boston to the Nets. What has been going on? Like what have you been hearing about a guy like Kyrie? And did you see some of this stuff happening? That's again, that's Worcester. No, not really. Because he had issues, right? That's Stephen A, but you're still thinking of it as a negative call.

Like it's also a positive thought process that calls. It's like, I'm in this moment. How do I get better? You know, it's not always this guy sucks. How do I get rid of him? How do I trade him? What would you do? It's more like, man, we just drafted.

We just traded for Kyrie. Right. How like as a point guard, what can I put in place to make him flourish? Like I would get that call. So yeah, I see what you're saying. What about so it's more how do I make my organization better? Not always. How do I tear down the guy next to me?

Would you ever make a call without them reaching out to you? Like would you ever call James Harden and be like, hey, maybe don't get sick with the flu before this playoff game next year? Um, I very rarely offer advice to players. Management, I would call. I would call a general manager, an owner, a protein president, you know, different relationship because I know how I feel as a player. A player should always first line of defense always be his coaching staff.

So when you, when you, when you bring that into it as a fandom, a person who was around him or knows him, then you're polluting the environment. And that's not a good, that's not a place that I think I should be. I should never be the one that could pollute the environment. Based on, you know, I do have tenure. I do have relationship. So I never call a player first ever.

Like I never look at the game and go, yo, what the hell are you doing? Not, not, not. I was like, I'll wait with that call ring. Now in the summertime, hey, boom, boom, boom. Hey, financial guys, whatever it might be, does this guy, is he, is he accurate? Oh, for sure. I'll lead you in the right direction, but I'm never in the middle of it. Going to pollute your team because I don't know what, how you even got to that place

sometime through your practices. Like, have you been in practice doing the right things? Have you, have they, the interactions? Sometimes I don't know how you got there. So I don't like to include that in mine. Okay. I have one last question. It's actually my most important question.

I'm very curious. What is the buffet scene like behind this, you know, before inside the NBA or when you guys are watching games, what's that like? What are we eating? What are Shaq or Shaq and Charles just going to town? I'd imagine it's pretty good, right? It's like what's behind you. It's the weights.

It's heavy, brother. Heavy. Buffet is pretty heavy. It's, it's a smorgasbord of different ethnic foods. It's, you know, sometimes you go, okay, it's Italian night. It's never just Italian. It's never just Asian night. It's, it's everything.

It's soul food. It's Asian. It's Italian. It's every, it's, it's a collection. It's never just, it's never, it's Taco Tuesday now. Do you ever, do you ever like, are you ever sitting there in awe? Or can you tell when Shaq or Charles are in the zone? It's like, damn, they're putting it on tonight.

Like they're going for it. I have to be careful not to put on my 15 pound curve with them because it's so much around and you just walk by and you see a cupcake and you walk by and you see, you know, see a piece of pasta, a slice of pizza and you just grab it because you're just, it's nervous eating. I have to be careful not to nervous eat around those guys. Is there a hierarchy in terms of who gets to hit certain parts of the buffet first? Do people have to wait their turn?

Oh no, see the difference is it's not a buffet. We have compliance to order at any restaurant. Oh, I like that. Oh, so it is, it's compliant. Who's the captain though? Who's the guy who's calling the shots on where you're ordering from? I have the longest tenure. So I'm always first.

Okay. But you can order from anywhere. Yeah. Chuck's just adding on. I love that. Yeah, they're just adding on there. You know, the runner is just hoping that they want to eat at the same place I do. So he doesn't have to go to eight places.

But he's typically going to five restaurants in a night. Oh, that's perfect. That's, that's like, I mean, we have a mini version. One guy was invented and postmates were invented because of us. Yes. Yes. We do something similar where we just sit here and we just like half our night is deciding where we're going to order from, but we only usually do one or two restaurants.

Not five. We got to up our game. Well, this has been awesome Kenny. Oh, one last last question. Is, is Jimmy Butler top 15 player in the NBA now? Yeah. Oh, I thought I didn't know if we met all the time or something. Oh, I mean, without having a list in front of me.

Yeah. He's definitely top five in this position. Okay. Okay. Without questions. Without positions. Yeah. It's probably around 25.

Yeah. He's definitely top five in his position. You know, without having a list in front of me. Well, he might be four in his position. That's true. Maybe three in his position. But he, I mean, it's not, it's not, it's not 10 guys better than Jimmy Butler at the two go opposition.

Yeah. Without questions. No. Okay. Okay. So long standing beef we have on the show. It sounds like you're saying he's anywhere between, between six and 25 at his position.

So the average of that would be. In the NBA. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Two guys, you know, since the way Wade retired, who were the top two guys in the league? You know, that, that's kind of, you know, where you have to kind of start. Yeah. Okay.

Sounds like you're saying 16. Which I agree with. He's kind of out of, like no one really cares anymore. Stretch four. When a player, he's definitely in there. Yeah. He, he would be a guy that I'm going to sort after and go get. I'm also going to, if I'm, if I was running a team, you would be a guy I'd go get.

Which you will be someday. Kenny, this has been awesome. We really appreciate it, man. Let me check out jet Academy. Go ahead. Let me get a lock before we let you go so we can make some headlines. Give me your guarantee who's winning the title this year. I will say that, you know, before it started, I would have Lakers, Clippers, whoever wins

in Milwaukee. I will say one of those. There's another team that will be in the NBA finals besides those three. Oh, okay. I don't know who it is because I got to see. Some guys might have guts. Guys got beers. I have no idea.

I might not recognize certain guys. So you're going to have different last names on the jerseys. Like I got to figure out who's there. But it will not be the people that were leading the way when things got. Okay. So we're just going to take liberty with that and say that you're predicting the Nets to win the NBA title. Nets pelicans.

I would say don't be surprised if you see Denver, Dallas or Boston in the finals. Okay. All right. He's made Hank's day. That's good. That's a good headline. There we go. We appreciate it.

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First up, we have a football guy of the week, Coach Oh, who said we need football. Football is the lifeblood of our country. Now he said this because it seems like with every passing day, college football is in more of a precarious situation to actually go off on time. If I had to bet right now, I actually don't know. I don't even fucking know. It's just, I'm just bummed.

I'm just bummed. I still think NFL is going to happen. I don't know if college football is going to happen. I saw something from JJ Water today that actually made me a little nervous. He listed all the things that need to happen in order for them to get to training camp. I think training camp starts in like a week and a half or something like that, and they still don't have any. They don't have testing.

They don't have basically anything that you need to get back. It might not open on time, but I still think we're going to get NFL. I'm not very confident in college football after reading the statements from Sanky of the SEC and from Emmert from the NCAA. It's so bad that Rick Petino is the only one who's making sense. Rick Petino keeps saying we need to push the college basketball season to January 1st so that we can somehow preserve March Madness. Rick Petino.

Like push it now. Big delay guy. Rick Petino is the guy who is speaking the most sense. Unfortunately, it feels like everyone in charge is using our brains for this, where they're like saying to themselves, let's just wait a couple of weeks and maybe this will go away. Maybe it'll just stop. Yeah.

Maybe. They are literally using our logic and we are dumb fucking people. I think that the NCAA probably had something to do with the Twitter shutdown because then all the white check marks out there, we're not saying all the doom and gloom stuff about it not happening. So they're just reading the timeline. They're like, yeah, that's awesome. I think we can make this happen.

It's so bad that I've read all these statements and everyone talking about it. I'm like, wait, you're thinking like me and I'm an idiot. Yeah, the reality is that you learn this as you become an adult, but nobody has any idea what the fuck they're talking about. Right. Who's the person in charge? We need someone to figure this out to keep football. But yeah, I'm pretty sure the NFL is running the same exact playbook where they're like,

you know what? August 1st is so far away and they've been saying that to themselves for the last five months. Guess what? August 1st is two weeks away. You know what we need? We need some sort of czar. I feel like there haven't been enough czars in the news recently.

Roger Goodell just appointed a COVID czar to make all these decisions for him. Then at least at that point, he's like, it's off my shoulders. I've got my czar telling me what to do. Yeah. And then it's just a lackey for him. And then the czar is just Simmons and Sal talking on a podcast. Basically, Mike Greenberg be the czar. He works.

Yeah, that works too. All right. So that's happening. I don't know college football. I'm bummed. But all right, we're going to say positive. We're going to do the thing we're supposed to do. It's going to figure itself out.

It's going to happen. It's going to figure itself out. Listen, college football, something's going to happen. Last week of August, we're going to have week zero. Did you hear about this vaccine? Yeah, the vaccine is going to happen. It could happen. There's the medicine that some people on Twitter say works perfectly and other people

say doesn't work at all. Open air. Yeah. Coronavirus can't live in the air. Oh, or it goes away in the summertime. Summertime, hot, heat. It's good. I'm actually starting to talk myself into the idea that maybe springtime college football

might even be cooler. I don't know why, but I'm just convincing myself like maybe weekends are just strictly for NFL this year. And that's, by the way, one thing that we haven't thought about is the implications on fantasy football with players that might be testing positive later on in the week. Oh, we have to have a corona waiver. Waiver wire is going to be intense. Matthew Berry has probably like just been heads down just coding brand new applications.

Reading about all this stuff. Yeah. Oh, Michelle Obama's got a podcast. Come here. Yeah, I just saw that in my what's happening. Who's she promoted by Spotify? Is she co-hosting or is is it just her strictly Michelle? We're fucked.

Cancel it. Cancel PMT. All right. We have bubble talk. Dwight Howard got caught without a mask. Snitch line. The snitch line has been popping. I do not know why the NBA is not giving us a live stream of the snitch line.

Like when a bald eagle is about to have a baby. Just give us some give us wind horse sitting in a room just picking up the phone and being like, oh, Dame Lord, would you say Dwight Howard is not wearing a mask? Okay, cool. Yeah, I think Dwight Howard probably snitched on himself. I think he just wanted to break. I have a feeling is Jeff Van Gunny in the bubble. I would assume because he's going to call games.

He'll probably be there. Yeah. So he probably snitched on for for now finally getting back for his brother. This day man got to join Twitter recently. He's electric. So he might have seen his cookie tweet. No, that's that's what a sentence as I pull this up. I'm just going to make a prediction.

Oh, I did see that. They're going to ban players from shotgunning beers on camera because it's probably like insensitive. I'm waiting for that to happen because like that's been a trend where all the players are shotgunning beers. It's also a very funny trend to watch NBA players when you take away their ability to move around and be like they're richer than everyone, but they can't spend their money. They just resort to being college kids.

They're just us. It's great. It's like it's it's basically like the walking backwards in evolution. Like, oh, what do we do? I don't know. Shock on some beers. If you walk into a supermarket and buy store-bought cookies, would you really buy anything other than chips ahoy?

Seems like such an obvious choice to me. That was Stan Van? Yeah. Stan Van, I would say Oreos maybe. Nice double stuff. Oreos. So wait, just store-bought? Yeah.

He's just blinded by the chips ahoy. What about Tates? Chips ahoy chewy. Tates are not like everywhere. I would say chips ahoy chewy, double stuff, Oreos are the goats. I need a crunch in mind. I go chips ahoy M&M. I need a crunch.

I need a crunch. They have cookies. They have hard crunch. All right. So that's bubble update. Vatable. Yeah. They're more of like a they're like a precursor to like a power bar.

Yeah. They're in the cookie aisle. I'll put it this way. I wouldn't be so there's a lot of stuff. I wouldn't be shocked if you like if you cut into a shoe. And it was a Fig Newton inside that would not really surprise me. It's a frosting sandwich. Time out.

Say what you said again PFT and then I'm going to say what I'm about to say. No. I'm just saying like a Fig Newton is a cake. Yeah. Okay. Agreed. It's it's a weird. An Oreo is a frosting sandwich.

He just said Oreo is not a cookie. He said an Oreo is a sandwich. No, it's not. It's cookies. It's a glizzy. It's cookies. Is it glizzy a sandwich? It's not one cookie.

It's not one thing. I don't care about your Google machine. Fig Newton is a pastry. What? It's a pastry. Fig Newton. Yeah. It is.

It is a type of pastry. That's on me guys. That's on me. That's on me. I told him. I didn't let it. I didn't tell him beforehand that he should. It is a type of pastry.

It is. I hope it is. No, I'm just kidding with you. You're good. You're good. I don't have such a fucking great day though. We fucking did this podcast. Yeah, you're having a great day doing nothing.

No, I wore my fucking favorite tank and it was like Friday energy. Go off. Go off, Billy. Let it off. You fucking just went off on me. Go. Not a chat. I didn't even go off on you.

I said I was going to help you. I don't know. Give us, go. Billy gets 60 seconds here. Go off on the haters. You can put me in the hater group, but I love you. No, I don't want to. Go.

I don't want to. I don't want to. I'm not going to do it. Wow. See, he's already a bigger man. That's good. Some say even too big of a man. That was, you know what you just did?

That was like you taking an aggressive dog's food away as they were eating and he just lets you do it. Yeah. You didn't bite my hand. That was good, Billy. That was awesome. You're all wound up. That's a good boy.

Good job, Billy. They're cook eye. Yeah. Cook eye? What? No, they're, they're. You took an Oreo. Don't fucking talk to you about it.

And you took an Oreo and took, you know, the top part off. That single black chip is a cookie. Are you saying that an Oreo is not a cookie? What do you think Oreos are cookies? It's a frosting sandwich. This is the most disgusting thing you've ever said, Hank. Billy, Oreos cookies. Hank, you would not.

No, it's a douchebag. It is. It is a douchebag. I can't even. Oh, you said it's a douchebag. I can't say anything about anything. What's the difference, PFT? You're the fucking one that eats, you eat them every single day.

Yes. Ice cream sandwiches. Are cookies. Fuck cookies. It's, it's different. Ice cream sandwich is a cookie. If ice cream. Dude, ice cream sandwich is a fucking cookie.

Then here's Oreo. It's the same thing. No, it's not. What? It ain't fucking matter? Yes. Get mad, Billy. He's still mad.

Get it. Get it. Hank, rules matter in the society, okay? Yeah. An ice cream sandwich has malleable bread on the, it's like a chocolate bread almost on the outside. All right. What?

Ice cream sandwich with two cookies in between. That's a, that's a, Ice cream cookie sandwich. It's a cookie. Then that's what the Oreo is. No. What? No.

That's that ice cream in the middle. It's frosting. It's freeze dried. Is it a free, it's a free, is a Oreo freeze dried ice cream sandwich? Yes. Yes, Billy. Thank you.

Thank you. We need sports packs so fucking bad. What are we even talking about right now? I don't even want to do guys on chicks. What's the perfect ending of the show? What am I talking about? Hank, this is so sad. Would you ever, would you ever wash an ice cream sandwich

before you ate it? No. Would you wash an Oreo with water? Yes. Different things. What the fuck? Yeah. What the fuck?

Yeah. Billy, try it. No, try it. What the fuck's the fun? Try it. Yeah. Next time you get some Oreos. Do you wash your Oreos?

Yes. Hank does. Hank does. Hank washes. Delicious. No, it's not. Why? It's, try it.

Because he's a weird, because he's- It's the same as milk. No. No. Do that fucking shake. You, why? Doesn't eat ice cream. And neither is Liam.

Wait, what? I never said that. Yes, who said you stomach makes your stomach weird shit? Are you lactose intolerant, Jake? No, he's just a pussy. Liam, you don't eat ice cream? No.

Billy is spreading fake rumors. Sometimes, I don't like to test my stomach with weird shit. Ice cream is weird? No, no, no, no, no, no. Weirdo, weirdo, douchebag. Verbal meme. We're just the fucking orange county choppers, guys.

Yeah. I don't even know what we're yelling at. Throwing shit across the room. Billy was actually mad at Liam, because he thought that Liam was lactose intolerant, and he thought that that was a bait of trade. No, he is lactose intolerant. Wait, why don't you eat ice cream, Liam?

He shows not eat ice cream. It makes me sick. Yeah, so he's lactose intolerant. You're lactose intolerant, then. If he's lactose intolerant, like, okay, like, that's like... He is. If it makes him sick, he's lactose intolerant. You want to call him a soy boy, right?

Call him a soy boy, Billy. No, Billy, let him out. Dude, that's very hurtful. Yeah, people do call... Don't call Billy a soy boy online. Do not do that. That's my one ask for... He's the fucking worst.

Legitimately, for the past three weeks, everyone's been calling you a soy boy online in the fucking chat. I can't even hop on the street and play some fucking wars every now and then when I go, soy boy, soy boy, soy boy. Fucking sucks.

Okay, so here it is. Everyone, please, do not call Billy Football Soy Boy online. Call him a soy man. Yes. I legitimately couldn't do anything for the guys. My hashtag work that I was supposed to do, come on time.

Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait. They're just blaming us. I'm being called a soy boy. You're blaming... You're blaming your lack of work ethic on being called a soy boy?

I'm being a soy boy. That's the biggest soy boy thing that you can do is blame not being able to work on being called a soy boy. This is the best part about Billy. If he just keeps talking, he will step in it. You just said you didn't do what PFT asked you to do two days ago because people are calling you a soy boy. No, I really don't know what to do anymore.

I just... Well, no, you do nothing. I don't know. I don't know what I'm supposed to do. You do nothing. Like, there's nothing for me to do. Get the diet cooks. I get diet cooks.

I legitimately think about it. Okay, guys. Have a fire fest. You're in my head, right? You're in my head. You have to talk on a show and then there's nothing else for the rest of the day. You actually really don't have to talk on a show.

You just have to sit there and occasionally chime in. Say something funny. Give us your thoughts. Right. Anyway. You know what, Billy? I'll put this one. You don't have to be funny.

You just give us your thoughts. You know what? Here's what we're also going to do, Billy. How about you start cooking for us again? I cook all the time, but none of you guys want to cook my food. All right. Done. I'm going to start cooking for you.

Billy, I'm going to give you my credit card. You're going to start cooking for us. Okay, I will cook for you guys every day. Okay, perfect. When we're going to start having dinner, you're going to cook it. Okay, I will cook dinner every time. List the three things that you're best at cooking.

Hot dogs. Glizzies. Steak. Okay. No. Well, you don't season it. Well, you know what? That's because I let the meat talk.

Okay. Three. We'll just work with those two. I'm going to work with those two. You're going to get me. I want to be no carbs too. Back on my diet. Get back on ketosis.

All right. Perfect. That will get you back. All right. That is our show. Guys on chicks? No, let's just end it here. This is a perfect ending.

This is a perfect end. Come on. Let me say funny shit. No, this is a perfect ending. This is a great debate about cookies and building. What are you even talking about? Yeah, I don't know. That's the point.

It's like this is the perfect way to end the last week before sports start. You know what? We have seven days until sports. Yes. Okay. So we've made it. When you wake up on Monday morning,

we will have sports. It's sports week. It's sports week. That's it. All next week on part of my take is sports week. It's been throwback. A podcast dedicated to sports. Yes.

Who would have ever thought that there would be no sports? You know? Like, did you? Whoa, dude. Nah. Always has been. Damn. Like, getting to sports, it's like a non...

Like, it's always there. But then, boom, no sports. Say love you guys. Say love you guys. Then, Billy, why don't you just kind of just talk over take on me? Love you guys. I love you guys.

I don't actually... I love you guys. I think people call me a soy boy because we're infecting my job. Um, I... Can you say... I just act like sports. Well, there's sports. Well, I think about this.

You're like, you're seven years old. Like, sports is like the biggest constant in your life because you understand it. Because you don't really understand anything else. Like, like government or like school. Like, it's just sports. And then there's like, you go like 15 years a day. And then there's always sports.

But then you never think, oh, food's going to stop. Sports are going to stop. Like, what are we... Like, what? And then it stops. And now you're just in a podcast room with six dudes. And you don't know what your job is.

Anyway.