Pardon My Take - Life Episode 3 With Mark Titus & Ryen Russillo, Mt Rushmore Of Things That Make You Feel Old + Nuggets On The Brink

Episode Date: June 12, 2023

Little different show today as PFT had his dad’s funeral on Sunday. We start just PFT and big cat talking Nuggets/Heat Game 4, Baby Gronk and Zion situation getting weird (00:00:00-00:24:27). We then have Russillo and Titus join us for life episode 3 where we talk about everything, answer listener questions and do the Mt Rushmore of things that make us feel old (00:24:27-02:39:13). We’ll all be back in studio for Wednesdays show.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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Today is Monday, June 11th and PFT. They tried, they tried, they tried, they tried to give us a series, but the nuggets are just too good Friday night. We had a little Scott Foster. Yochich gets his fifth foul on a Phantom, Phantom foul, where BAM does a great job flopping. They take Yokech out in the fourth quarter

with the nuggets up 10, with nine minutes left. He doesn't come back in for another five and a half minutes. And the nuggets were up nine when he came back in. So that was it. That was me, to me, that was the moment that the series was officially over. It feels like the nuggets are just too, but too, too good, too tall. Aaron Gordon was too tall, too good. And Monday night, do we have a coronation here? This is the start of the dynasty. This is this is merely, but the first chapter

that we're writing with nuggets, if they don't get three titles, then it's a failure. But yeah, this is, this was Scott Foster kind of passing the torch. The nuggets took Scott Foster in the NBA's best shot. Scott Foster might be washed up at this point because he was hired to extend the series, give the heat another game. That call was so funny too because Bam took Yochitch's arm and then did a false flag attack on his own face with it.

And Scott Foster was like, perfect. That's exactly what I'm looking for. Boom. Yokech, you go into the bench and then Bruce Brown. And then Bruce Brown happened. So Bruce Brown, Aaron Gordon, ended the Scott Foster era. The nuggets killed Scott Foster. When you write the legacy, when you write the history of Scott Foster, you know that it's

the Denver nuggets that killed him. Yes. And it was. So it also felt it was setting up perfectly for the heat to have a comeback because you had the Yokech foul. You also had what felt like the longest delay in game because you had the rim adjustment and then a heat fan passed out. Courtside. So we basically had like an entire second half time

that guys were able to rest. And like Jimmy and Bam were able to play 44 and 45 minutes. And Yokech was out for five minutes in the fourth quarter is like, let's just do everything we can to try to make this at least a six game series. But the nuggets are too good. They are just, they are the best team in the league this year. They are the best team in these playoffs. Every time that they've had to answer it, they've

answered it like their defense has been incredible this series. That's, that's what's winning it. Their defense has been great. And like the heat in their run to the finals, the Nuggets are able to, depending on the night, find that like third guy who helps out whether it be Christian Brown on in game three or Aaron Gordon in game four. And obviously Aaron Gordon's been good for other reasons this entire series, but his offense like exploded in game four. And you didn't need Yoke Chiyokich had his statistically worse game of the series. And it still was didn't feel like the heat ever really had a chance past, you know, like the four, like, they close it to a five point game at half time.

And then the second half, the nuggish just kept them at a distance the entire time and they are just the better team. It's, it's what you can't do anything when the, when the nuggish are that much better and that much more talented and they even have Michael Porter Jr. who's make, make one shot, Michael Porter Jr. challenge. You're still, you're still waiting for it. He, uh, he has not done anything offensively in the nuggets still. Yeah, they've had still that much better than me. Stuffed up to fill Michael Porter's normal role, which is that third, that third banana. And, uh, yeah, no, even though Yokech didn't have a great night offensively, he's still had a pretty good night defensively. I think he had three blocks and two steals or two blocks and three steals.

So he made a difference on the other end too. And yeah, it's almost like the nuggets have out-heat cultured, heat culture in this series to a certain extent. By having those role players, it's his nuggets culture that's winning this. And if you look at like the Lakers, if you look at the Suns, some other, you know, wannabe super teams, especially in the West,

that's the difference between the Nuggets and the other teams is that they have guys that can come in and can actually take over a game, just dominate a game if they have to, if the superstars are playing that well. And Jamal Murray didn't have his best game. Offensively, you could say by the numbers, like he didn't have a whole bunch of points.

He had a shit load of assists. He didn't have a single turnover on the night either. And the nugget shot, I think it was seven for 12, maybe eight for 12 on three pointers, attempted off of his assists. So Jamal Murray, like, hey, shame on me for betting against Jamal Murray to get a double, double in game one because I think he's averaging probably 11 assists a game in this series. So he's turned into a different player. He's normally not a huge assist guy, but he's taking what to give him. And yeah, this is, he cultures dead. Nuggets culture, Viva, Nuggets culture. get sculpture. Yeah. And Jamal Murray also had a floor burn in game three where his entire palm basically was ripped off and they showed it. I would have cried. I probably would have

been out for the year. They did an interview with Jamal Murray. And he said his pain tolerance. He used to do pain tolerance drills when he was a kid, where his dad would balance hot cups of tea on his quads while he was holding a squat. Borderline, you know, who knows maybe child abuse, but I would imagine from all my, he has a pretty high pain tolerance. If he's got hot beverages on his quads, squatting as a young child, and now he's got a lot of energy. He's on Monday night.

It worked. Whatever his dad did, absolutely worked. Yeah, which, you know, could you also give credit to God, shout out to God for hoping the nuggets win this game because he said that this is Aaron Gordon, how he's played in these finals and this game specifically is evidence that he's, he's dedicating himself to the game right and God recognizes game and God is, is helping Aaron Gordon to win this. So shout out God. It's tough to be, it's tough to be God, not even Scott Foster can take the big man out.

Out. Out to two Dan God. That's a one to punch on your side that you really can't overcome. Aaron Gordon also, I mean, we have this reminder all the time in sports and we're still too stupid to like internalize the reminder and remember about it like Aaron Gordon similar to Andrew Wiggins last year. Time in place like the magic it wasn't you know it wasn't the best situation. He was still good, but now he's surrounded by a ton of guys where he can get the most out of his talent

where he can do the things that are he's best suited to do and he's completely flourished in these finals. But we'll still call him a bum if he was a buzz on the magic. That's just what sports fans do. Yeah, sometimes guys that get picked, that get recruited highly, that get picked highly in the NBA draft, we forget that they're actually very good at basketball for the most part. It's very hard to fool every single scout out there, although Wimbe and I have somehow done it. But I did watch this game with my mom last night. I asked her for one takeaway from the game

because she does no ball as she's demonstrating the past. She said that Yokech's haircut or Yokeyoke, as she calls him. She said Yokech's haircut is a positive move for himself, but more importantly for the team. She thinks that his team plays better now that he's gone. It looks like a number two all around on a said he looks more aerodynamic and she thinks that the ten feeds off that as well. So Mama Comsar again, nose ball. I'm just so excited to see Yochitch with the Lario Brian trophy on top of a horse at some of the parade in the parade. They, they should have him in the area behind the horse that's pulling the

entire float. Yes, no engines in the parade. That should be the rule for the Denver Nuggets. I was a little scared of horse game when it looked like Yokech might have twisted his ankle in the first half. That to me, there was a lump that did develop in my throat at that time and then he just goes to the locker room, gets it taped up. He's not, he is not a horse because if he was, they would have brought the tarp out.

It's also, Yochuk's turning his ankle. Obviously, you know, you don't want to see him injured, but what, I mean, his verticals going to go from what, like three inches to two and a half inches. I feel like he could play with two rolled ankles and still be the best player. Like his, his, his, it's not like his game is exposed to, you know, jump

that much. He goes, he goes laterally more than he does. He gets like wider as the game goes on, but he's, yeah, he's, he's a tough dude. Came back, played well. Do we know, do we know what happened with that new fan? Because I wanted to get some jokes off about it during the game. And when they brought the stretcher out, I was like, maybe I'll wait off on firing these takes because it looked at first like they were treating her

because she was drunk and helping her to her seat. Then they wheeled her off on the stretcher. There were a lot of heat culture things I wanted to say at that point. I think she was just hammered. Yeah. Yeah. She looked hammered.

There was also a fan getting escorted out like, while this was all happening by the cops in the lower screen. And we had Yokech who like, I loved when he, he tried to fix the rim himself by just hanging on it. And he's like, no, I got this. Don't worry, we don't need a delay. I'll just, I'll just put my weight behind this side of the rim. Didn't actually work.

I loved that that point. I thought it was like, let's just play. Like the rim didn't actually work. I loved that that point. I thought it was like, it's just because this series, let's just play. Like the rim was definitely tilted. Mark Jackson was like to me, this feels like a waste of a of game time right now. Yeah, if the rims actually tilted,

they should probably fix it, Mark. Yes, yes. This series, yeah, it's not, it won't be the most memorable NBA finals, I'd say, because at least the last two games, you've been kind of waiting for the heat to do something and come back and even the series, and they haven't been able to,

but the nuggets are just that good. The nuggets deserve all the credit in the world. They are such a good team, and I actually, like, here's a take, game two, is actually exactly what the nuggets needed to do, because Mike Malone, we talked to Winhorse about it, he ripped into him, he was able to get them brief focus, they hadn't lost in a month,

and now you're seeing how good their defense is when they're all looked at. I'm looking forward to reading the oral history of the team dinner at Jeff Green's house in Miami before game three. That's gonna be fire. That's when everything turns around for this nugget scene. They needed to be shaken up a little bit at

home just give michael millenia excuse to dog cuss you for a little bit and then you'll be fine for the rest of the series yes uh... do we have any takes on baby grog i so are our colleague uh... kyle bower uh... k b k b no swag has actually been on the baby grog beat for about two years now. But baby grog has reached critical mass this past week.

He was on TMZ, New York Times had a post on him. The whole thing feels bad. The dad is it feels it feels bad. He's risen up everyone. He's in everyone's DMs. There was a quote. This is the power of baby grog. And when I say the power of baby gro quote. This is the power of baby grunk. And when I say the power of baby grunk,

I mean the power of baby gronks dad who is maniacally trying to make his 10 year old a celebrity. He said, quote, I can reach anybody. Donald Trump's son's wife follows my son. It's bigger than people think and it's only getting bigger. He just got posted on TMZ today. It's probably one of the bigger things on the internet as an influencer. He could be bigger than Bronnie James Yeah, who's gonna be playing in the answer your question big cat?

Do I have a take on baby drunk? All I know is that baby drunk risked up lividon and he is he the new drip king That's my robot question. Yeah, is baby drunk the new drip king. It is, it feels weird. It feels very, very weird. I was talking to Big T about this the other day. He's also, he's a baby grog, a fish nod or you could say. This dad belongs in dad jail. There should be a dad jail. A jail that's specifically designed for fathers who are screwing up their children in front of the world for everybody to see.

And this guy should 100% be in there because listen, as somebody who was approximately five foot eight when I was, I don't know, 12, 13 years old and then didn't grow from there, there's a good chance that baby grog, he's not going to be huge. And when the dad's talking about a son like he's going to be the face of the NFL, face of college football, like dude, he's 10, he's 10. And there was a quote that a son like he's going to be the face of the NFL face of college football like dude He's 10. He's 10 and there was a quote that he said where he's like no, but my son baby drunk is built different He's committed to this. He's a diet of salmon and brown rice like he's a dog like like basically like he looks at his son Like he's a Siberian husky. He's like a few I feed my son my son a raw meat diet. Basically, you remember in little giants, um, how he longs kid, where it's like

I massage his legs with, with calf milk every single night to, to get his leg strong. That's what he's trying to do with baby drunk and it's not going to end well. It's definitely not going to end well, but he put to be fair. He did. It was up. Live. He done. definitely not going to end well, but he put to be fair. He did. He did. He did. It was up.

Live. He done. Oh, he big time. Rister up. Yeah. No, it's, um, it's the Todd Morinovich. Like, we watched the whole story unfold, uh, why this is a bad idea. It's also football is the one sport where it probably doesn't matter trying to get like

all this skill when you're 10 years old, because if you're not big and strong and fast, none of it matters. You know what I mean? Like, their football is a lot of like genetics and who you are as an athlete versus like playing baseball and being like, oh, I could, you know, I could hit a baseball when I was two years old. Like, if baby Grok isn't big and fast and tall enough,

it doesn't matter if he's really, really good. Just like you said, it won't matter. His career will not go any further than high school football because that's just how football works. You need to be a certain size to play in the NFL or high level division one football. But he's getting scholarship offers from all these places. I don't think that's actually a fact.

I think his dad, I'm pretty sure his dad just buying all the jerseys and helmets and being like Baby Groanke loved his visit to Purdue. And it's just they're probably in their basement in front of a green screen. But yeah, he is the risk king right now. We'll say that. He's the risk king.

And then he even gave her a side hug. So she went in for the real hug. Baby Grant gave Livy done the side hug. So that to me tells me he is, he's the new drip king. The offers that he's getting from these schools are definitely a hundred percent not true. I do believe it though when like LSU offers a baby that's born in Louisiana and the baby weighs like 15 pounds

and they give that baby a scholarship offer like 18 years from now. I believe it when that happens, but I don't believe that baby grok has any offers right now. Although I will say James Madison University, I would like to offer baby grok a scholarship to Jamie if you want to compete in the sunbelt, like what better place to get baby grok put them in the fun belt baby. Should we sign them to an NIL deal, pardon my cheese steak? Yeah, baby Gronk can't I L deal? Right now, I don't really want to feed him in this.

Here's what I'll do, I will allow baby Gronk to eat part of my cheese steaks. I'm allowing him, I like that. I'm not giving him any product, we're not shipping him any merch. He's not speaking on behalf of the brand, but he's the only 10 year old in America who I am authorizing to eat a constant diet of nothing but part of my G-stakes.

Okay, so baby grogger signed up for an NIL deal with part of my G-stake. A lot of people are telling you. A lot of people are telling you. I was talking about baby grog the other day. I just can't get up the fact that he did, in fact, risked up, live, and done. People were saying that baby grog could beat me up,

not a chance in the world. I would beat the shit out of baby Grant. Like, if it was one on one, me and him in a cage match, I would make him tap. It'd be, it'd be so easy. I know I could beat up any 10 year old in the world. Any 10 year old in the world. He's different.

No, it is. That's not true. There's definitely, no, that's not true. Think about a beat when he was 10 wrestling bears. Like there's some 10 year olds in like Dagestan that could whoop your ass. Like actual 10 year olds, not the Danielle Montay of 10 year olds. Any legit 10 year old with a birth certificate. I've seen enough. I know all the tricks. They don't have the experience when it comes to fighting. They haven't seen somebody fight 30 yet.

So I would, no, I would beat up any 10 year old of the world. Okay, last thing before we get to, it also is perfect that we're doing this life episode when we talk about things that make you feel old because just the headline, baby, gronk, where is the up livy. That right there just makes you feel as old as possible, where I thankfully knew what they were talking about, but I would imagine there was a lot of people

who saw that headline and they're like, what planet am I on? Did I get a, am I in a coma? And I just missed like the last 15 years of culture. I think he's doing it satirically, I think is a funny guy. And he was like, how many titles do you think Ellis? You will be a baby crook. Well, baby, Grok lead lead LSU to a national title. Sound off in the comments.

All right, last thing. I feel like Zion Williamson's girlfriend might be going too far. I'm ready for her to stop tweeting because it feels like fat shaming at this point. She was, she posted a picture of him lying in bed. She was like, I hated sleeping next to your sweaty ass. Said that he just had Coca-Cola bottles

all over his bathroom. I, it's now turned where it was like, oh, he's on blast and now it's like, okay, let's, we get it. You know, Zion maybe cheated on his girlfriend or his girlfriend's girlfriend or whatever is going on here. Let's move on.

Let's not just, let's just not drag him through the mud every single day for the rest of time. Because you want to go by one tweet that stood out to me, which was, your bathroom was filled with soda bottles and cans. No wonder he fat as fucking night and shaped fuck you, Zion Williams. And I'm tired to be in nice. You hurt me and humiliated me. That's mean. That's mean to say, if a man has

soda bottles and cans in his bathroom, that's not for you to put out there on blast. The stuff that women keep in their bathrooms, by the way, is way weirder than the stuff, than having like, I don't know, like a two liter sprite in your bathroom. That's normal compared to some of the lotions and face stuff, like seven drawers that are filled up with different types of beige powders. That's weird, that's weird to me. Having a two liter of tab in your bathtub, that's normal.

That's just guy stuff. You want it sometimes, you want a nice cold soda when you take a bath, so get over yourself. It's also the very definition of me, thanks to Lady Duff, protest too much because she's claiming that she's done with Zion, but all she's done for the last four days is just tweet at Zion Williams

in the entire time. She's mad. She's big mad about this. Yeah. There was a reply to that tweet that was just like, and I don't know if this is true, but in this case, it is true.

It was just women are like suicide bombers. They'll go down, but they're taking everyone with them and that does feel like, it's flipped where she's trying to take down Zion, but she's taking herself down with him. She's just looking like this. I think this is pretty as fast. I think this case, all publicity is good publicity

if you're a porn star. So she recognizes that she's having a moment right now where people are, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, she's not a porn star. She's're a porn star. So she recognizes that she's having a moment right now where people are, No, no, no, no, no, no, she's not a porn star. She's not a, she's not a porn star. She was a porn star. She hasn't done porn since 2019. She wanted that on the right.

There's certainly a lot of videos that she's putting out of herself naked for not being a porn star. You just retire from it? Can you not just be only fans? You retire from big difference. You just hang up the strap on, and you're not doing this again. Yep, it's put it in the rafters.

It's time to move on. But yeah, it definitely has a vibe of like, hey, maybe just take a day off of just completely sewering Zion in the streets. In a weird way, it's making him more relatable. The more that she talks about it, because she's very, very clearly upset. She had feelings for Zion or else she wouldn't be doing this.

But she's just keeps going after his weight. And she's like, I barely even came. Credit to Zion, what a compliment. Like if a woman comes out there and her public trashing of my sensibility is like, I barely even knotted, that's a huge win for me. Massive dub. Yes, yes.

Okay, let's get to our life episode. We have an awesome, awesome two hours with Ricillo and Titus. We're gonna cover it all, we're gonna do a Mount Rushmore. It is brought to you by our friends at game time, the exclusive ticketing partner Barstool Sports created by fans, for fans, game time is ticketing app that makes it easier than ever to score last minute deals on tickets to sports concerts and shows and they guarantee the lowest price. There's a ton of concerts coming up. I missed dead and company and it rigly had to get back to the family, but I'm going to probably see them at city field.

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We will do another one all of us together. I'm running out of kids by the way. I'm done with kids, so one of you guys gonna have to step up For the next one How do you handicap? How do you handicap that race Dan as you look at the three of us? Who's the who's the first of us three to have a kid? Hmm, I Could see pft doing it as a bit. Yeah, I think it's very funny. Yeah tightest. I think you are definitely like you will have kids

And then we're still always is like, I wouldn't be shocked if just one day he called me, he's like, hey, so I'm having a kid. Like, just decided I wanted to have a kid. Well, he's got Chris Paul. Yeah, that's true, which, we haven't talked to you, Ryan. All playoffs, we've given you your space.

Do you want to, before we talk some other stuff, there it is, the 61 Chris Paul book. Is that how many playoff losses he has? That's cool. It's about his grandfather that died. Oh god. Oh yeah. That's right. We made the final foul shot for him. I remember that. Yeah. Okay. Now I feel like it has a funny joke though. Funny joke about the playoffs. No, that's good. Actually, we're taping this show because my dad died Ryan. And so we're gonna, I'm gonna be gonna be going to his memorial service when this air so I bet you feel bad for making fun of me for making fun of you I don't fuck what uh, where are you at with Chris? All right now

Is it almost worse Ryan that we haven't had you on the show to berate you about Chris Paul. It's that sad now where we felt bad even going there. No, you guys are just like political zealots on Twitter. Like if Trump fell, you know, the people would freak out and then Biden falls and it's like, no, it's actually not that bad. And it could be the other way around. If somebody defended Trump, I'd be like, no, it was that bad. He's super uncoordinated. Have you seen his golf swing?

But like Chris Paul approved the Phoenix Suns needed Chris Paul so then you didn't have me on. So I knew exactly what you were doing. You guys are frauds when it comes to the topic, but it's great to be here. Wait, but they went, we're off the line. I'm sorry. Who did they, they won two games with Chris Paul in the lineup,

right? And then he got injured and then they lost the rest of the games. What, how that, how that shake out? Well, yeah, his then he got injured and then they lost the rest of the games. How that how that shake out? Well, yeah, because Devon Booker and Kevin Durant both turned into Michael Jordan at the same time. So, um, but I think when it all was said and done, it was they really could have used his playmaking and escape valve and some good decision making all that kind of stuff. But that's cool.

No, I get it. I get it. Yeah, we're running out of time with Chris Paul. Do you feel that? Yeah. No, that's, that's true. Are we all running out of time? But to big catch original point, I would, I would say Titus. I think Titus might be next to become a debt, just because you probably have very athletic

sperm. I think between the three of us, I probably wanted the most to, but I don't know if that works in my favor or not. I don't know I I want to be a father like I definitively want to have kids And it's something that I think like I need like I think like the older I get the more I'm like I feel like I've kind of done I've done all I there is for me to do and it's like I need to to now be a father and like you know try to Live through my kid I guess or whatever, just enter that next phase of my life. But at the same time, I have the thing where like, I don't wanna do it until I'm ready and I also know that I will never ever be ready.

So I feel like I'm gonna be like in my 60s and I'll look around and be like, okay, now I'm ready. And whoever my wife is will be like 58. She'll be like, yeah, so about that. We can, you know, so I don't know. I don't know. It would be interesting. I do think Ryan is a sneaky good bet just because he had,

he does obviously life advice on his show, which is phenomenal on every episode. And there was one where he went on a long tangent about a kid playing in the sand with his dad. And like the whole time I'm like, dude, this is, you want a kid, just like you got to have a kid playing in the sand with his dad. And like the whole time I'm like, dude, this is you want a kid, just like you got to have a kid. So I think if he just sees one more kid playing in the sand with his dad,

he's gonna just find a surrogate and be like, I'm a dad now. He just kidnaps the kid. Just fucking. Takes a kid from the beach. He's like, I'm a dad. It's really weird though, because people don't like guys like me

just hanging out of playgrounds. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, no, I just love watching kids play in sandboxes. It's not a big deal. Is there escorting you away? Do you think you'll be a dad, Ryan? I think you will.

I don't know. I think I would, look, I really actually like kids, you know, like my sister just had a baby girl last week and, you know, she FaceTime me and the baby did not stop crying for 20 straight minutes. But the lesson in that is that I stayed on the FaceTime for 20 minutes, even though it kind of sucked, because I was like, I just, I think being the oldest to five, I get it a little bit more than, you know, I know it's a no one understands what it means to be a parent.

I got it, I've seen your posts, but it doesn't, like none of that ever bothered me. Like I knew what it would be, I knew what it the sacrifice it would be, I knew kind of all that stuff. I guess kind of the tightest point, like it's a stupid thing to wait around and say, I don't wanna do it until I'm ready,

because you're never really ready. You just sort of do it. There's a lot of things in life that you're just not ready for. And it's like, well, who cares? You have this opportunity to go ahead and do it. But in this case, you're actually fucking with another person as opposed to maybe taking a job before you're ready for it.

I know for a fact, for me, it was like, okay, I'm going to get all these things in place. I'm going to be like a turnkey house that you buy. Everything's going to be turnkey. And you buy. Everything's gonna be turnkey. And there's no such thing as that turnkey thing. So then like another 10 years went by. So yeah, we're kind of getting down to it. I definitely should be last out of the group.

I should be last, but I don't entirely rule out, you know, I'm not the same age as Pacino, but when I saw something like that news, I was like, I think that's a disservice to the kid. Like, hey, what was my dad like? No, it's, and the kid is, what is Pacino 82? 82, Daenerys 79. 79, you basically are having a kid

where you're guaranteeing that the moment the kid is aware of life and death, that's when you'll die. Like, it's not even like, it's not even you'll die when the kid's three and it'd be like, I never really knew my dad. No, that's when you'll die. It's not even you'll die when the kids three and it'd be like, I never really knew my dad. No, that kid will be like eight and be like, my dad's my superhero.

I understand that he's old and then he dies. Yeah, because I remember college that first weekend where we all get there like three days before everybody else, that freshman thing. I mean, that is like being born all over again, right? You just dropped into it. And then you'd see somebody be like, dude, three days before everybody else, that freshman thing, I mean, that is like being born all over again, right? You just dropped into it. And then you'd see somebody be like, dude, is that guy's a grandfather helping him move

into his dorm room? And then you'd be like, no, that's his dad. Like, Pacino's going to be a hundred. Yeah. Yeah. That's such a messed up thing that biology does where women stop having babies, probably what fertility stops up about 45. Yeah. But men, you can get somebody pregnant

when you're like 110 years old. Yeah, it's stupid. One 10 would be old. But like a magic pachino with a couple milk crates walking behind a guy at like 98. Yeah. And it also, it also was crazy, like how city to city when my first, when my son was born, my wife was 34.

And in New York City, the doctor literally was like, like, you know, whole-doubish, like 34, and the doctor was like, oh, teen mom, because New York City is like, like 34 is still young in New York City. You see a lot of people having kids at like 41 kid, and being like, all right, that's it. What, what incredible material from that dog?

Yeah, it's pretty comfortable with himself in his practice though. Yeah, he was shooting, he was, he was feeling himself. The, the opposite is obviously true in the middle America where everyone's just pumping out kids and getting married in their 20s. And if you're like in your 30s and you're single with no kids, that's part of why I moved LA.

It was like I sort of started feeling out of place. When you go to all your friends house and they have like three kids running around and you're, you don't. I actually funny enough talking about like being a dead. I had a house in Ohio. I lived in the suburbs because I don't, I'm an idiot. I don't know. Like I did the college thing. I wanted to own a house. I wanted a yard. I just kind of wanted to like fast forward to the point of my life that my My parents had, you know, and I was like I wrote my book and I made a decent amount of money from that and I was like, you know what? Fuck it. I'm like at 25 years old. Thank you to everybody about that at 25 years old

I'm just gonna buy a house in the suburbs. I'm gonna do it um and so Along the way I decided that I wanted to like, I lived next door to a guy who, him and his wife adopted a bunch of kids. And they had like four kids that they had adopted. And they were great people. And I became like, it definitely sounds creepy the way I say it, but I was like the neighborhood like Uncle almost.

Like where all the kids would like just like, there would be kids like knocking on my door that wanted to go TP. They're friends houses, but their parents wanted let them. So they were like, well, you go buy us would like just like, there would be kids knocking on my door that wanted to go TP their friends houses, but their parents wanted to let them. So they were like, will you go buy us toilet paper? And I'm like, yes, absolutely, I will. And I would go buy them toilet paper. But along that path, along that journey,

at one point I looked up and I saw an empty house, I knew my neighbors had adopted these kids, so I went and I asked them about it. And I was like, hey, I don't know if I'm ready for this, but I think I want to be a dad. And I was like, hey, I don't know if I'm ready for this, but I think I wanna be a dad and I might look into adopting a kid and he just immediately was like, yeah, no fucking chance dude, you're a single dude living in a house by your state.

It's like there's no world in which they're gonna let you adopt kids, are you insane? And the dream died and I was like, okay, cool. All right, never mind. You just wanted a friend. You have any friends around at the time Mark? Yeah. But that was like, as I got to, like, 30 years old

and I was looking around, I was like, I don't know what's next for me. Like, should I try to be a dad? I don't really know it. So I asked this guy, like, should I adopt a kid? He was like, fuck no, they're not gonna let you adopt a kid. Is a single man? Are you nuts?

What, so you can kill the kid or have sex with it? I was like, what? What were you gonna, like, say your qualifications were for adopting the child? If you were to go talk to. I was like, what? What were you gonna say your qualifications were for adopting the child if you were to go talk to him? Be like, watch me shoot a jump shot. I can teach him. Who can make this kid into an NBA player? Yeah.

I mean, I didn't really like, I felt like a, it was a weird thing. I don't know. I was just having like an identity crisis, I guess, because I didn't really feel like I wanted to do it. It just felt like a social responsibility almost. Like I had this huge house. It wasn't that big. I don't really feel like I wanted to do it. It just felt like a social responsibility almost. Like I had this huge house. Wasn't that, I don't know.

It was like I had like four bedrooms, you know, not the brag, but it was also middle of the north. I did. Maybe your, it's, was it because your neighbor was like running up the score in terms of karma points? Kind of. Yeah, I was, they're like the best person on the earth. Brad Pitt, and Angelina.

Yeah, they adopted four kids from struggling families and then you're like, I should do something like that. Well, I looked into, I asked them too about like fostering kids. I was like, is there a way, like, we don't make this permanent? Like, maybe, can I just, Wait, you thought, you thought as a single guy

in your late 20s, 30s, that any of you would pass any of the screening of this? I did, yeah, I did. I did, I did. Well, cause I didn't, So you were legitimately looking into adopting a buddy. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no I've known I've known I knew I wanted to be a dad at some point I I like basically hit the fast forward button on life too fast like I basically and it's kind of funny As I look back on it like I live my 30s in my 20s and then now as I moved to LA and like I made my 30s

I actually feel like I'm living like a 20s lifestyle out here more But I I wanted to like fast forward my life. I think I think I was just like I got a fucking house I'm everywhere I look like all the other dudes in the neighborhood were just talking about their kids and like kind of like, that was like kind of what the, my point, the whole reason I brought this up was just to speak to like the societal differences

of the coasts versus the middle of America. Where like, I just felt like a pressure where I looked around and I was like a single dude with a house and I was like, I'm a fucking weirdo in this neighborhood. I need to change that. This is roll on, roll on. I'm a fucking weirdo in this neighborhood. I need to change that. This is roll on. I'm a roll on.

Yeah, it's roll on. I dabbled with the idea of like, do I need a kid? Is that what? And then ultimately, a common sense prevailed. And I was like, no, I just need to sell my house and move to Los Angeles. This is actually a good, is a good jumping off point because it was actually something that was asked a lot.

And I would say like to wrap up the kid conversation, it is what Ryan said or yeah, Ryan said like you keep telling yourself like will I be ready. I don't think you ever are. It's just you know, sometimes you just got to bite the bullet. And also people who are like, you know, kids are the best, it's the best. It is the best, but it's also fucking hard and it's a lot of work and anyone who does a social media being like you know only fun times like they're just lying to themselves. I honestly think that a lot of people are scared off of having kids because of how many people say like so a lot of my friends and I'm not talking about you big guy because you've never said this to me but a lot of my friends are always talking about like how hard it is to have a family.

And because I think if you're a person that doesn't have kids and you hang out with someone that has a family, that's their escape time from their family. So they unload all the bad stuff, all the stress onto you. And then that can make you not want to have kids right now because it's like, well, this person is just miserable all the time. So sometimes the other side kicks in where it's not like, I don't think of having a kid

as being like, you know, nothing but great times, but I've seen more of my friends who are just like unloading on me. Yeah. All their stress. But yeah, it'll happen. It'll happen when it happens for all of us. No, but it doesn't. That's cool too.

And I would say for people who like, you're hearing the worst whenever someone says like, oh, it's the worst. It's never one way or the, it's never the best like all the time. It's never the worst all the time. It's basically having kids is essentially you every day you're waking up with a person who has a personality change overnight and you don't know if one day they're going to be the sweetest kid or one day they're going to want to hit you in the nuts. So it's just like it's more like just you kind of just, I'd say being a dad, you roll with the punches better

than you ever have in your life. Like, it just, it's all just like one song. It is, it's just like, ah, it's all right. Like, today he sucked, tomorrow is gonna be great. Today my daughter did this, tomorrow she'll do that. Like, just all one song, it all rolls together. Yeah, I don't know if you wanna do this because if we're transitioning this a little bit later on, but just because, you know, I'm the know if you want to do this because if we're transitioning this

a little bit later on, but just because, you know, I'm the oldest one of the group now, which was weird because I think we brought this up before. Like, I was always the youngest the group. And now I'm just like, Oh, you're the oldest of the group. You just are, uh, by sometimes a pretty staggering gap. But, you know, we get life advice emails, we get life advice emails all the time where it'll be like a dude late 20s. Maybe he's even late 30s. And he goes, you know, I could get engaged. I've been with this girl for a long time. We get along. But like you can tell, they just stop having sex. Like there's there's less passion in the email than there is in the relationship, right?

Because the guys like kind of opening up to us and the email being like, I don't really know what I should do. I guess I could get married, I guess I could have a kid, I guess I could do these different things. And then there's a bunch of the audience and I'll even have close friends, I'll have casual friends. That would be like,

either the email will say, should I pull a recillo or the friend will, like I had a friend reach out going, you're the only one that didn't buy into the lie. And I'm like, what are you talking about? He's like, my house sucks. My wife doesn't talk to me. The kids are a fucking mess. And like, by the way, I don't know anybody that should be selling the idea that having kids is

easy, because it's just isn't. And it's actually the most selfless thing that you can do. You know, I always feel like I'm speaking for myself, not anybody else, because you know, everybody has their own reasons behind it. But like, I feel incredibly selfish in a way that sometimes I have a hard time thinking about it. Like, are you actually going to be this selfish about it when so many people before were selfless and brought another life into the world

and all these different things? But then people see me and go and like, hey, maybe I could do that. And I'm like, dude, do you think this is the answer all the time? I'm not granted. Like my college roommate, one of my college roommates came by and he came to the house

and you guys have been here and he's out in the balcon, he's looking at the water and he's going, so what are you going to do today? And I was like, I don't know. He goes, you're going to do literally whatever the fuck you want, right? And I was like, yeah, pretty much. Like I probably play hoops, you know, I'm like, I don't know. There's something on a little bit later tonight. I was like, he goes, but you could go golf right now.

I was like, I could play 36 if I wanted. And then he's like, can you have a boat? I was like, yeah, I have a boat. He's like, where is it? I was like, he goes, but you could go golf right now. I was like, I could play 36 if I wanted. And then he's like, can you have a boat? I was like, yeah, I have a boat. He's like, where is it? I was like, it's right over there. It's like 10 minutes away. So you could just get on the boat. And I was like, yeah, I could just get on the boat.

And he was like, the most depressed I've ever seen him. Because he just looked around. And I was like, do you want to drink or something? He's like, no, I gotta go home. He's like, I gotta go home. I was like, what did you think I did here? And he's like, I just didn't really get it until I came to the house and then saw.

And he was like upset. He was like physically, emotionally rattled from the whole experience that I was, he was gonna leave and I was gonna be able to do whatever I wanted. So I think what happens is sometimes, I don't feel like I sell this as like the answer to everything because I'll admit, you know, at ESPN

I was still nine to five gym and then whatever else I was doing now that I live here. I don't even go anywhere Right like I the most social I've been in a month was I said hello to three people the gym an hour ago So when there's people wondering which is a very common lesson in this It's not specific to what I'm talking about, but the grass always being greener. Yeah. Like, there's a lot of dudes that look at my deal and be like, that's actually maybe what I should have done. Like, yes, the grass is greener. I'm doing it and I'm telling you, it's not for everyone.

I would advise against it. And it actually is pretty selfish. It's a good point too, because so one of the first questions that we had that someone wrote in was basically like, I'm coming up first year, my big boy job after college. He hates it. He can't see himself doing it for 30 to 40 years. He's happy with his life outside work, but doesn't love his work and all this stuff.

He's right out of college. And it's similar to what you just said in terms of, I think there's, and I really do, I don't want to sound like super old, but I do think social media has fucked everyone up where you just always think that someone is always having way more fun than you and everyone's just living their life and being able to say like what I have is pretty damn good and not always putting yourself up against your co-workers your friends people you see on Instagram if if you can do it, it's liberated. I would say. My favorite thing about Rastillo is that everybody is convinced and there's no in between whatsoever.

Everybody is convinced that you are depressed and living like a miserable life alone and you're like a rec loose and you hate everything about yourself or that you have lived the sickest fucking life ever and they're so super jealous and like I would love to be Res and and everybody is convinced of like and they're all looking at it through their own lives

How they approach their own life and then like see like I have buddies that'll argue about it And they're like I don't know man. I don't know how he does it like he's alone And it's so much and like you don't you the guy just sits there and watches random ass NBA games like go out and fucking Live your life man, and then other you, my other buddies like all the things you said he's got a boat, dude He doesn't mean had beach and he's a you know, this guy's got a easy there He's got a worthless or he's got it all figured out. Yeah, there's no in between. There's no But it's like you know, I'm sure he's figured out a good balance in his life And I bet at times it's not as fun and other times it is there's no way to be twisted

It's always like this is the most sick thing ever this stuff.. I love the idea that the phrase Polter-Racillo could mean too completely opposite things. Yeah. It's like a loha. It means I and by. Yeah, because like, it could be the end. There are times like, I'm okay with it.

Like, I know what I signed up for, but like everybody that loves having their family, loves coming home, especially the kids are at the age before they just decide to automatically hate you once they get to those years. And then it sort of sucks because then they have to go through their own shit and then realize like how great of a dad you may have been, right?

It's all very predictable. But those younger moments when you come home and you had your bad day and your kid loves you no matter what and is so fired up to do something with you. There's not really anything that you can do to replace that by not having a kid. But when I think about people going like, for Sillo has it all figured out, like I'll admit, there's this woman at the gym right now, right? She wears literally nothing and she's probably almost 60, but she's in pretty good shape, right?

Every other dude with like a full head of gray, gray hair, like 10 years older than me, you know, or no hair or whatever, the guys that don't have a wedding ring, they all hit on her all the time, right? I am not attracted to her, okay? I'm the little surprise, she wears, as little clothing as she does, it still looks pretty good, but to me she's incredibly old.

But when I see all these old dudes lining up to hit on her, I'll be like, that's gonna be you, dude. What? What? What? What? Oh. Or if I see an old guy like having dinner by himself at a bar, bitching about the Dodgers

and no one fucking cares. And then he tells a story about oral hershaizer like running a cabin near him. I'm like, that's gonna be you, dude. So I fuck with myself regularly and kind of laugh more than I do get like if I got really bummed out about this lifestyle. Okay, I'm not telling you I'm like peak happiness every single day. That's just the way I am. It doesn't matter what the fuck I was doing.

All right. But if I was that bummed out about my deal, I would have changed it by now. Right. And honestly, it was more about it was that was more about Connecticut because Connecticut towards the end I go like I joked about this with big cat. I'd sit in the basement and count how many days in a row I did that deal. And like, I remember I think I, the records were 59 straight days or 61 straight days in the basement where I ate down in the basement, watch basketball and then back then,

too, I would just, he's coach, you go to bed earlier, so whatever. That was something I had to break. I was like, we need to move on from this because this isn't working out. So even look, the worst day in Manhattan Beach, like I'm not gonna fucking complain about anything here. So to that guy's question, and Ron, you kinda hit on this a little bit where he's talking about hating his job

and saying, okay, my life is good outside of my job. One year out of college, one year out of college. Like my life might be okay. Well, which one is I just graduated college recently moved to Manhattan? No Guys long time listener of your pods coming up on one of my first big boy job out of college Yeah, so we kind of hates it But his life is okay outside of work I would say that what if your job is so bad that it's affecting your happiness

It's bleeding over into your outside life That's a pretty good indication. Yeah, I'm on. But a lot of people are happy in their personal lives at a job that they're not in love with. Right, and that's okay. And I also think in this goes for, and I hate giving a bite because everyone's gonna live their own life. But when you're 23, you're dumb.

And I think about how dumb I was. And thinking like, oh, I hate my job. And then you look back, you're like, well, it wasn't that bad because then you get more, you know, you do other things and you get more jobs and you realize like at 23, you just don't know. So you also fall into the trap of thinking everything's permanent. Right.

I think that this job that you have at 23, when you say like, this is what I'm gonna be doing for the next 30, 40, 50 years, that's not what you're going to be doing. You know, like, you might hate this job, but like, if you, even if you stayed at that company, I don't know, again, it, maybe I'm off base, but just speaking of generalities, you're going to like, move up, you're going to progress, you're going to find like different avenues and different jobs where like suddenly you unlocked like a level of, you're now of middle management at your job. I don't really hate this anymore.

I'm more suited for this. The idea of the first job you take, most first jobs everybody takes suck at. That's part of the corporate world. When you're fresh out of college, you get the shittiest jobs. You know why you get the shittiest jobs? The people that have been around for a while have earned the right to move on to what's next But yeah, I agree with PFT like sometimes Like as long as it's not bleeding over into your personal life and like making you miserable in that aspect sometimes like

Yeah, job is a job and you just do it to make the money so you can go enjoy your life And I think to your point big had earlier about like social media is kind of ruined a lot of people. I think with work I think to your point, Big Hat earlier, about like social media is kind of ruined a lot of people. I think with work, it feels like a lot of people think that like their job should be their identity and that you have to like have a job you love or you have to like, you know, because all of us do a job that we probably, it's not always the greatest thing in the world, but we kind of have an easy job, you know, and we love. It's the best job ever. It's a great gig.

So I think there's like a pressure if you observe, like people on social media too much that you're like, I need to do a job that I love. Do something you love and then you don't have to work any day of your life and all that sort of thing. But sometimes it's like, man, just punch the fucking clock, get the money, go home and like just cut it off and go enjoy your life.

And I wouldn't recommend doing that for 40 years, but like in this little phasier in, fresh out of college, as you're trying to figure shit out, and you are a dumbass, as Big Cat said, that's what I would say, is like this isn't permanent. This is like part of the transition period of your life. And fresh out of college, it's like, it's even less about what you're doing per se,

it's more about like who, like you have someone who's teaching you well, do you have like a boss who's like, it's even less about what you're doing per se. It's more about like who, like, do you have someone who's teaching you well? Do you have like a boss who's like being a mentor? That's way more important than like learning actually like, oh, I'm, you know, figuring out this skill and this perfect, like someone who's teaching life lessons, everything. And also what you're saying, Mark, like, our jobs are the best jobs in the world. I think we all would agree we have the best job in the world. But if you hit, hit us with true serum, we could give you a list of things

we don't like about our job because every single job has those things. So I would say to someone like that, like make a list of what the negatives are and ask yourself, is this a negative because it's this specific job? Or is this something that I'll probably find to be negative about work in general? Yeah, I would also say that it's this specific job, or is this something that I'll probably find to be negative about work in general?

Yeah, right, exactly. I would also say that it's important, if you have a job that you think sucks, it's important to have a job that sucks that you're good at because then you can take pride in whatever it is you do. I would much rather be good at my shitty job than be awful at what some people would say would be a good job.

Yeah, yeah, feeling accomplished. It takes a little bit of a staying out of like that feeling that you get sometimes when you come home from work and you think to yourself, what did I just, what did I do all day? Yeah, and that's when it starts to bleed over when you actually don't care and it is affecting your at-home life.

If you're at least good at your job, then you have a sense of accomplishment, you feel some pride in what you did, you feel like that day is not wasted. So, yeah, most 23-year-olds, if you have a job that you're good at that pays enough for you to live and get by, that's really all you can expect when you're 23. You're not going to own the world. And we're not going to step into the job that you're going to have for 40 years.

Your career is going to take twists and turns, you'll change companies, you'll probably change your interests, you might even pick up like a completely different line of work along the way. Nobody stays at a job for 40 years anymore. Maybe our parents might have, they were probably the last generation to do that. I would be surprised if that becomes a thing

that ever happens again, where somebody gets into, you know, they get into the mail room after college and they worked our way up to be CEO. That's just, that's not the way that people do business anymore. Also, I'm a big Ryan, when did you, when was your first radio gig? First on air gig was 2002 with a Trent and fun. How old were you? You know, I, I was 26.

I got the job on 26. I turned 27 that summer. I didn't even make it. I don't even think I made it until 27. I was gone half for it through the season. But I asked that. I asked that because like I didn't start doing this till I was 27 28 same with PFT same with you. Mark obviously had a little different because you wrote a book, not to brag, but I do think there's that feeling when you first, how did that kid buy that house? Both of you. When you first graduate college, there's a feeling like it's permanent and it really isn't like your 20s are

The perfect time to fuck up to figure out what you like to figure out like Okay, I can transition if I don't like this I can do this and it really nothing is permanent in your 20s It really is a time where you can make mistakes and like, I'm wasting a year to job you don't love or two years, you still will get something out of it and you'll find out what you like and what you don't like. Yeah, I mean, the whole hey I got out of school and I have questions about this job. Welcome to fucking life, okay? So Big Cat nailed it. If we wanted to do two hours and what we didn't like about awesome jobs that we all have

and lucky enough to have done as well as we've done, we could do two hours. It'd probably be one of my favorite pods ever to do. That's just life. And the weird thing about that lane, and this actually speaks to like tightest a little bit, like you get the book money, you're getting a little shy at a very early age, and then you're thinking like, I want the pick offense, I want all these things, and you're conditioned to think immediately after this phase of your life where you're having fun, you're playing college sports, I have to be a grownup.

I think I know you a little bit that I could see you retroactively being like time to grow up. I had a really good friend who was a year ahead of me at UBM. He got a teaching job stayed in town. He was only 22 years old, dude, and I was 21 and I was like, hey, let's hang out. We're going out Friday. He's like, can't do that anymore. He was 22. Can't do that anymore. That was, yes, that's, that's basically what I did. Yes. He is in a, he was in you were for whatever reason. I'm not even knocking. You were in a hurry to get to that next phase, like

mentally of where you were supposed to be at. I would advise against it. I also was not in a hurry. I prolong it. I stayed there a lot longer. But the problem with this stage of your life, and you may not even listen to me right now young 20s mid 20s or whatever Because I don't know that I would listen to somebody who was in his 40s I feel like that fucking guy was talking about sharp gills and has a boat and fucking no family like fuck him Um, I didn't want to listen to anybody. I don't know that I was capable listening to anybody But the point is is you right now in your early 20s. You have no other frame of reference You've you haven't lived through anything else.

Oh, no way. Shit is an awesome all the time. You just went from, hey, you, what pamphlets were you reading? And it is also fucked up that you go from, for a lot of people their college experience, four years of like the greatest, like it's basically Disneyland for 18 to 20. It's the best time of my life.

And it's, it's, those, those, those years there and the years after I'm telling you, like, I'll drive around a song will come on. I'll think about a moment. Yeah. And I get like, weird, I'm like, God, you still miss this so much. And so, you know, despite whether or not, you know,

before college, if you had a tough deal at home, you know, there's plenty of adversity that we can nameless, but for a lot of people that first like hey, this isn't fun all Right, there should be a like what what you think it was Yes, there should be a lot of way home for people that that are getting out of college. Yeah, transition I love this side. I think that there's a market so I was moving my mom into like a senior living facility about a month and a half ago And she loves it and the place kicks ass. I'll be honest with you. It's got restaurants, it's got bars. They're always hanging out with each other,

playing card games, shuffle board, walking around. They're having a great time. There needs to be more of that type of facility just for normal adults, like especially, yeah, well, especially right out of college. Like give me a place where it's basically my dorm again. And maybe a company even runs it.

And then they give you shitty jobs at this company. You live on their giant campus and they provide everything else for you. I think that would, there's a business model out there if there's an industrial CEO that feels like this could, we could do some sort of- Well, the reason that would be valuable, if I can defend 22-year-old me for a second, which I'm not really sure I care to. He feels like a completely different person, but um, well, it's not hard.

Well, you never got on the court. Ah, excuse me, that's what I was doing. But, uh, two and a half getting on the court led to me writing a book. Yeah, that's true.

That's what I thought of. Yeah, four bedroom house. Almost a kid, almost a kid. If only, what's that on Zillow right now? Do you ever double check it? I have, it has gone up and values. four bedroom house. And almost a kid. And almost a kid. It's only half. What's that on Zillow right now? Do you ever double check it?

I have. It has gone up in values. It's sold it. And that'll kill you. But I think one of the, so guys, between when you graduate college and when you're about 30, I find that to be the period of time where most men seem to, at least like that I experience experience when dudes are like reaching out to me for whatever reason I don't know like they're saying like you know you struggle with mental health you

struggle with this can you help me they always seem to be in that age range and I I think just based on my experience part of why it's always like guys at age is because up until you graduate college you have such a structure in your life you have people telling you where to go and what to do and when to do it And yes, when you're a college you party and you you know, you let loose a little bit But you still you have to show up at the 8 a.m. Class every so often or else you get kicked out and then all the fun goes away So you still have these structures and then when you get spit out into the world I feel like there are two types of people and

There's the one type of person that's like think fucking god I have no handcuffs now I get to be my own I get to live my own life do I want to go abroad do I want to go like I can go do whatever I want I can move to any city I want I can take whatever job I want if I don't like that job I can quit and some people feel the sense of freedom with that I felt the exact opposite which is why I think at 22 years old I I was such a, I was in such a hurry to build some structure, which was like, I need to, I need to grow up. I need to grow up because I need like these societal benchmarks to dictate like where I need

to go, because if I don't have that, I'm going to be lost at sea, just wandering, trying to figure out what the fuck I'm doing with my life. Um, so I rushed into it for that reason, but that's what I, I think like there are two different types of people And I think the people that are more like me are the ones that freak out because you're like, oh shit Now what do I do? Right now I have nobody to tell me where to go and you panic a little bit. Yeah, and it also Couple things one everyone's freaking out To themselves, you know, I mean like that the, that is also part of it is like,

that guy's got to figure it out. I guarantee you that guy's probably sitting there freaking out for some other reason. Like, by the way, it's good to freak out. It means you want something. It means you holding yourself to a standard. So if you go on, I'm glad you're about it. Yeah, it's just like, it's the feeling

that everyone else has their shit together and you don't. Everyone else is walking around looking at you, thinking the same thing and that's just that you have to remind yourself of that simple fact that it's hard to do but it really is the truth that everyone is dealing with their own shit freaking out doesn't like some part of their job, doesn't like some part of their relationship where they live whatever everyone has their own no one has the perfect life and even if that person does exist They're a fraud because they're they're basically Gary V

And they're fucking you know telling everyone to go to their their conference every year and pay a hundred bucks That was a shot at Gary V. I think that's why it's got it. He's got it. I like Gary V But yeah, there anyone who says that their life is perfect is is is lying to you on social media or like that that guy that thought he Was able to bend time being like each day of three days. Yeah, right. Right. Wake up.

Like stop watching those guys. Cold toughs. Like I watch, like as somebody that you know is now successful and I see those dudes, I can't tell you how hard I laugh. Being like you guys are so full of shit. Right. You're just, it's not, it doesn't work that way.

Like I'm glad you brought up kind of that beginning time. And again, I still think the frame of reference because you don't have like, when you're your third as you compare it to your 20s, or you're your 40s, you compare it to two other decades. You know, you're in college, you're a fucking kid with the utility bill now. And you're supposedly an adult

because your name's on the utility. And it isn't true. And so all the uncertainty, all the stuff that happens that cocktail of lack of confidence, you're right to point out that it's normal. And I also think like when you're in that early phase, I had the long list of all the things I didn't want to do, but I didn't know what I did want to do.

And nothing has ever happened for me in my life, whether it's the beginning, whether it's getting to ESPN, whether it's leaving ESPN, whether it's being in LA and pursuing all the other things, is that the hardest part is doing all the work that shows no results for years, right? So like if you're 25 and you're at some job and you've been there right out of college and you're like, I'm not sure this is me. First thing is no problem because as Titus said, and PFT, it doesn't even just our parents generation is the last generation, most of my friends have moved and adapted to whatever

has happened with business, especially the guys on the financial side that always feel like they have to kind of stay one step ahead of it, sometimes it doesn't work out for them. But if you're in a spot where you're going, oh, this isn't for me. All right, okay, cool. What are you doing to prepare yourself for that transition instead of being at a point where it's forced transit? Yeah. And that's, I think, the thing you always,

that's the thing that I think is really lacking for anybody. Like, all right, you don't like your deal. Okay, what are you doing? What are you doing in your spare time to prepare yourself for having options when your deal becomes untenable? Like, you cannot show up to work anymore.

We get emails all the time, oh, I get this pit in my stomach when I walk in. When I had to turn the corner and walk into a bar that I was still at that my friends are coming back up to for our fifth year reunion, I was gonna be behind the fucking bar at my own fifth year reunion. My stomach hurts so fucking bad.

And I was like, I can't do this anymore. I can't. And I had to feel that way before to actually motivate myself to go, what little things are you doing in your spare time to get you ready for the change that you know you want to have? And I think for so many people, it's hard to do all the shit that feels worthless and isn't going anywhere because it's paying zero returns. But I'll tell you what, it's way worse to have not done any of that stuff and get zero returns and then be like, oh my God, I'm out of work on Friday or I need to quit and I have no backup.

That's a very good point because the original question where they're talking about how they hate their job and they might feel like they're wasting their time at it, there might be parts of your job that you're doing that are very, very important for whatever step you actually want to take next or as Ryan said in the John or like I was like he have to tell your story again because like what weren't you selling siding or something but you were also like thinking about all the stuff that you wanted to do right or so

It was used it was used dog so I mean I've sold a lot of things. I sold portable air conditioners Tankless water heaters, used dogs, used cars for a while. That was my first job out of college. Christmas trees. Ben Pelt sold Pagers. Pagers. He's just stuck around in that industry. Just like dealing with drug dealers all the time.

He's still got stock options. He's one of those cricket wireless trust fund kids. I've sold a lot of things. It did teach me about human interaction. There were a lot of parts of it that I hated. Actually, most of it, I hated, but you do learn small interpersonal skills. You learn how to break ice with people pretty easily.

And there's certain things that you pick up, even from a shitty job, that you can then transfer to whatever it is you want to end up doing. Or like Ryan was saying, if you're working, if you're behind a bar, you might feel like, oh shit, everyone's judging me because I'm working, you know, in our small town bar, I haven't gone anywhere. But if you're taking steps outside that towards whatever that future goal is, then your job is not a waste time at all because it's an investment in allowing you to pursue what it is you want

to pursue five, 10, 20 years from now. So just because you feel like you're wasting time, there are certain things that you can be doing to make a job that feels like a waste of time, actually a really good investment in whatever it is you want to plan down the road. It's back to Titus' point, where you're college, there's structure and it's like, okay, you take the class,

you take the test, you get a great. And in jobs, you might get one year review, but there's a lot of things that you're learning that you don't realize you're learning until way after where you're like, oh shit, that was actually pretty important to who I am as a person now. And it sucks because there are times, I remember my first job, I was getting paid $30,000

and I went my first raise after the first full year. I had already rented an apartment with all my buddies, sick place, way over my budget, because I was like, I'm gonna get a sick raise. My raise was $1,500, and I was just like, wait, what? I didn't even show up in my paycheck. It was so low, and it's like, but it just kinda is like,

all right, yeah, because guess what, times are shitty right now, it doesn't mean you get like, but it just kind of is like, all right, yeah, because guess what, times are shitty right now, doesn't mean you get like, just because you worked for a year, doesn't mean you get some huge raise, you don't just give it to you, but the things you learn along the way, like become part of who you are. I also, for the guys who we're talking to,

the other piece of advice I'd give is, when you're in your 20s work, work hard, work long hours and party long hours because you will get to a point where you can't like physically do it. Like I, I think about, you know, even the start of this show and when PFT and I were both, like, 30 years old, like still in like that, like it was just every waking minute. We were just pushing as hard as we possibly could. If you asked us to start it again right now at 38, we wouldn't have that same ability just on a pure like energy level.

So just know. It shows in the episodes. Just know that like you do have, we were doing life advice for the 14 year in a row. Third time for you. Ryan, you're the best idea that we have for a guest right now. That's how much we're ghost. But you will have that moment.

You will have that moment where you're like shit. I don't have the gas and the tank to do everything I want to do as hard as I was able to do it. So do it very, do everything really hard when you're in 20s. Yeah, I agree with that. When I was spinning my wheels at a job that I knew was not my future, the biggest regret that I would ever have at that job would be when I go back to work on that Monday afterwards, and I hadn't done anything over the weekend

to progress myself towards what I ultimately wanted to do. So like, yes, I definitely partied a lot, had a great time in my early 20s, enjoyed the hell out of those, but I always made sure that there was some time that I was setting aside I definitely partied a lot, had a great time in my early 20s, enjoyed the hell out of those. But, I always made sure that there was some time that I was setting aside to actually do some work that would help me on the long term because otherwise you get back to that job that you might hate on Monday and you're like, well, I've made zero progress whatsoever.

And that to me was, that was the biggest waste of time. That felt like that would set me back mentally. And then I would get into a ball of stress, anxiety, and back in that position of, oh, I'm never gonna get where I want to be. So just have some discipline, you know, party hard, work hard, but also you have to set aside, write it down.

That's actually the biggest thing that I took from my early 20s is if you write down what your goal is, what you want to do and the steps that you have to take to accomplish it, to accomplish it, you say, okay, I've got to spend two hours writing on Saturday. Write that down on a piece of paper, and then you get to cross that off on Saturday, which is a great feeling and just crossing anything off a list.

Always feels good. Yeah, it's the A-Rite method where he has a list every morning. It's like drink coffee. Yeah. Done's like drink coffee. Yeah, done. I drew it. I, uh, I completely agree with PFT on that one. Cause like, you know, whatever stages I was going through and then I got to like really not liking myself.

A's because I was just so fucking pissed at myself all the time. And thank God I was like, thank God that I wasn't cool with myself. It was good that I was mad. I look back, I appreciate that anger because it was motivating me to be like, are you fucking seriously gonna be one of these guys? Like is this what you're gonna do? Cause this is like the path.

Like there's not, you can't be 40 and go and oh, what happened? Because these are the moments right now that are defining those moments. And I would do the same thing. We're like every week I had to have done five things that were going to be giving myself options later on. And five things became, give it like one full day from whatever the first four hours you're at your apartment.

All you're doing is working on this stuff. And some days, actually, most days were pointless. There was almost zero return on a lot of those investments, but then there was that one. And if you don't, you know, the fishing net, like if you don't have any lines in the water, I can guarantee nothing's going to happen for you. But the, just the, the idea of potential hope was enough to drive you. So if you're sitting around bitching about your plot and life and you're younger and you're like, oh, what about this, what about this? The simple question immediately is like, are you doing literally anything to improve your situation?

Are you hitting up a friend who's working in industry that you like? Do you maybe just call them? Shoot, I mean, honestly, I signed up for an email service. This is like, again, like early internet days. I signed up for some stupid alert that was giving me classified job links that had anything to do with sports. Honestly, the whole site was a complete scam and a ripoff. But by signing up for it, I was like, all right, did something, you know, I did something today. And, you know, the job part of it is I'll finish this part real quick. Landing your dream girl in your early 20s, the likelihood isn't gonna happen, there are rarities,

but landing her isn't gonna happen probably because you aren't ready. She might be ready, because usually they're more mature than us at that stage. The job thing is the same deal. Like you may have four or five jobs, or I don't college it all suck, but what the reward will be,

will be now you truly know what it is that you like to do. Maybe you like to be in the office, maybe you don't. Maybe, hey, I actually like to do. Maybe you like to be in the office. Maybe you don't. Maybe, okay, I actually like to do this. I like to get on the road. I don't like being on the road. All these different experiences. And I just think that you're at such a lost stage at that point in your life, because you're like, wait, is this it?

And you're like, well, no, it, yes and no. It's like the answer to both of them. Yeah. Look for a job like you're looking for a woman. Yeah. And if all those fails, just write a book about being friends with Greg O'Han. Yeah. And that will, you, you propeller your career forward. You touched on something though there were so that I do think like it it it it sucks networking sucks,

but it is like it's how the world works. And so like asking your friends what they're doing and talking to other people and and having those lines in the water. We will always come back to help you because you'll be like, oh shit, I do know someone who does this or I have a connection to this and and like keeping those lines always open will eventually pay you back even though it does suck. It sucks having to be like fake nice and and you know like you know drinks with someone who you're never going to get a job from and all that shit but it happens it does like it sucks networking right I know you don't like networking it sucks. I'm the worst at it. I admire like I'm both I'll let time is finished there but like when I see somebody who I'm like oh you're a roll of dex guy right and and I'll see and it'll like they'll be attempting to do it to me right and like oh you're a connector so now you're actually it'sla dex guy. Right. And I'll see and it'll be like, they'll be attempting to do it to me, right?

And like, oh, you're a connector. So now you're actually, it's not about you doing me the favor, it's you looking better that you can connect me to somebody else. And then I despise it, yet still am sort of envious of the ability to, because I've never been able to do it. And I'm going to continue to be bad at Titus.

Restillow and I are terrible at this. It's one thing that we never talk about, because we don't reach out to each other. But if we did, if we did spend a lot of time with each other. But so I would say to learn from my mistake, because this is something that I view networking as kissing ads. And I think it's important for younger people.

If you're someone like me that's just trying to be jaded and trying to be like, I don't know, try, like, you're too cool for school. I don't, I think looking back on it, I wish that I had like a slight attitude adjustment and didn't see networking as ask kissing, which is like networking to an extreme level, you know. But that was kind of how like I was like, I don't want to play that. Why would I fucking call this guy who I don't really know and like, why would I go to that happy hour with the employed? Like, I don't really love those people. Like, why would I, you know, and I don't want to come across as an ask your kisser. And if I have to kiss this guy's ass to get the job to get the thing, then I don't even want it. But there's a middle ground. And the middle ground is like actually being sociable with people and like getting to know people and Yeah, that's something I wish I learned a lot younger that like just because your networking doesn't mean you're now a kiss at

Yeah, this might be a no-dut to a lot of people out there that are good Networkers, but if you're a bad networker and I know I was a terrible networker especially in my early 20s You have to understand that networking means that worker, especially in my early 20s. You have to understand that networking means that you're not reaching out to somebody and they're not going to wave the magic wand and give you everything that you want. It's like you have to care about what it is the other person wants to and then you have to genuinely be able to help them with something they need and then they will help you with something that you need. So it's not, you can't approach it just strictly, like I'm going to go to this networking event

and get the job of my dreams. You have to look at it from somebody else's point of view, what makes their life easier? Can you help them with anything? In fact, the best networkers that I know, the good role of the X-Guys that I know, they are just awesome at proactively hitting me up with something that they know that I will be interested in,

something that could help me out in some way. And then if there's anything that ever comes across my mind, where it's like, oh, that would be perfect for this guy, I'll give that person a call immediately. I'll give them what they want because they've done a great job at understanding what my motivation is. Yeah, and it's a great point, PFT, because it is like Titus and Rousseau, like it does feel dirty and it looks like kissass and it's it's it's a great point PFT because it is like Titus and Versailles like it does feel dirty

And it looks like kiss ass and it sucks But if you just if you if you think about it differently where you're just like I'm just I'm just connecting to you know more people And it doesn't have to be asking for something doesn't have to be getting something in return But you'll find points in your life where you're like, oh, like people will hit me up all the time being like, hey, do you know this person? Yeah, of course, like, you know, like that, that's just how kind of the world goes around. What my biggest problem with it and this is I need therapy for it is What I I don't reach out to people because I just assume that

No one wants to fucking hear from me. And that is something that I think is a struggle that like if I was to, you know, like Dan, if I'm watching Justin Fields on a Sunday and I'm at Ohio State guy, so I have a vested interest in Justin Fields being a great quarterback for the Bears. I feel like I should have been texting you last year

as this was going on, but I'm also like, I'm sure he's got a million fucking things going on and I'm sure there's a million people blowing up. Why would I reach out so like I would hesitate to do that at times? And I don't understand, I've never been good at like getting over that mental hurdle of, I really struggle with just also with like the friends that I have that play professional sports, most of them are in the NBA Um Like Mike Conley is like the nicest guy in on planet earth and Mike Conley is a guy that I've known for well over half my life at this point

I know that if I texted Mike Conley he would love to hear from me I also like just have this thing in the back of my mind. It's like Mike Conley is living a far more interesting life Then wanting to hear from fucking me, you know like Connelly's like in a playoff run right now. Like why is God's name when I text him good game last night, bro? Um. They get eliminated. Yeah. I know.

They beat the uh, they beat the nuggets. They beat the nuggets. People, the legacy continues to grow as the nuggets are rolling. They won't want to get. You should text him. You should text him. Yeah. I mean, you're you should text him right now. You should text him right now. Text him. Yeah, I should text him. No, you should text him right now.

No, you should text him right now. Text him right now, being like, text him right now. Yeah, but do it a cool way that's indifferent. But like, how's that nugget series going? Yeah. So damn, no way. You're aware of what he's doing, but not.

Yeah. No, so I think that's them. That's one of my issues with networking is, it's boils down to self-confidence, I guess, of just like, what do I, how am I like bettering this person's life? Like, how was them getting a text for me bettering their life?

It's probably not, so I'm not going to send it, and that's something I've really, really struggled with. Yeah, no, you completely opened it on us. You, I mean, I consider you a good friend and I don't think there's ever been a text message conversation that I didn't start. Yeah, and I love it. And every time you text me, I get excited.

I'm like, oh, it's cool. I get to talk to Dan now, but I don't know. It's, but then I get the reputation as being, you know, standoffish and not sociable and all that sort of thing. And really it's just like my own insecurities bubbling over. But as it, like I struggle with that with friendships, But as it pertains, like I struggle with that with friendships, but as it pertains to like the career side of things, I don't know, I just like don't have that gene in me

to like do that. And that's one of the things I struggle with and I try to do better at so. I think one thing that's helped me over the years because Mark, I felt the same way a lot of my life. Just the idea that people do want to help other people for the most part. So like if you had a question or anything for me about like I know you're gonna be moving to Chicago I don't know anything about Chicago. I don't know why you'd ask me anything

You're way more familiar with the city than I am But if you had like a question like oh what grocery store are you shopping at and your neighborhood is it good? I would I would be like very happy to reply to that and be like oh great I get to help Mark. So you just have to keep that in the back of your head that your friends do want to help you with things. Don't feel bad about real life. No, the logic is completely fucked.

Because when people text me, I do get excited. And I'm like, oh, it's good to hear from this person. I've heard from it a long time. But then I never think that it would work the other way. But yeah, that's just, I don't know, maybe you're getting off networking. No, no, no, that was something. I think it's, I mean, people like to answer questions. Just to end up just keep, just keep me off of that grocery thread. Yeah. Yeah. But no, what PFT said, it's, I mean, it's, it's like probably the fault of, of many men,

like whenever, you know, when you get asked a question that you don't even know the answer to and you'll just answer it just like you know being like oh yeah, I know this just cuz you don't want to say like people like to answer question Maybe just start shooting like layups to everyone should be like Mike Conley like what's your birthday? Oh, yeah, that's right. It is okay. Yeah, you're right. It is that family. How's the family? Do Mike Mike? I'm thinking about buying a car. What kind of car do you drive? Yeah, right? You love to answer that. You do those are the best. Cause then you get to like, yeah, he gets to be like,

oh yeah, I'm driving this sick car. Like the lay ups, sir. People like answering questions, like that they know the answer to. Also, you should be like, what's up, Mike Conley? You should refer to him with his full name. His full name, yeah. I've got a question for you guys,

because we were talking earlier about just like kind of self discovery. We were kind of hovering around that topic a little bit. I always hear people talking about finding themselves. Like, I went for a vacation Europe to find myself. I went backpacking across the USA to find myself. So I went to Montana. Yeah, you went to Montana.

Found, I'm not going to say it. But, oh, I was, I was sorry. When it comes to finding yourself, that's a concept I've never really completely understood. I think I've always taken it to mean, like just become happy, just get happy. I don't know what finding yourself means, but a lot of people spend a lot of time

in different transition of their lives worrying about finding who they truly are. And I don't know what that means to you guys. And it's something that I've been wondering for, for actually like a long time, because I don't understand the concept of it. I feel comfortable answering this, because this is something that I've spent a lot of time thinking about.

I think for me, finding myself, the idea of finding yourself is like more finding your place in the world, more finding out like what it is, what is your purpose for being here, what is something, for me it was like almost finding something outside of myself, more than finding myself, like, because what is it that keeps getting me up and every morning and what keeps me going and all that sort of thing. And I think like you brought up like happiness, PFT, I think to me like finding myself was leaning less into finding happiness and more into finding fulfillment and like trying to figure out what it is. I think those are two very different things and I kind of have honed in on that that like a lot of the things that I was doing in my 20s and early 30s, they were things that did make me happy in those, in the moment I was doing them, but I would go to bed at night and not feel like I'm fulfilled in some way. And I think the process of me trying to find myself was trying to figure, which kind of goes back to me saying, I know I want to be a dad,

because no part of me wants to change diapers and wake up in the middle of the night with crying kids and have have like a whole Another fucking living bean that I now have to take care of as I sit here today That living by the beach in Los Angeles. That does not sound exciting. That does not sound fun But I know like deep down that is part of my fulfillment process that like I think I Think that that's what I need to like feel like my life and my purpose on this earth is like fulfilled So I think that's that's how I would define it as like trying to figure out less what like puts a smile on your face

and more of like what makes you feel like a whole person and make sure identity make more sense to you. It's a good answer. No, you're why. So, uh, no, that was a good answer. I, you know, I think it's a really complicated thing to answer. I think we all hope that we're building towards these places in our own timeline where it's like, oh, once I get to here, then I'm going to feel this way, right? And then once I'm here, I'm going to feel this way. And I think the big joke about life is all that stuff's bullshit. Like the amount of stuff that I thought was a certainty when I was in my 20s later

on was like, oh my God, that's stupid. And then you get a little bit older or whatever. I think from, I think there's one part of it where it's, it's, hey, I know myself, right? All of us know ourselves better than anyone. Okay. If you think about how weird that is, like, who knows you better than you, it's, well, no one is the other one that has all the thoughts and the other one that really knows how things make you feel good or bad. And so this, this like, this peak of understanding or fulfillment or happiness, like from this point on, I think it's pretty delusional because the way it sold to us

is that from that point on, now everything makes sense. Or this point on,'s going to be easy. It's like, no, you're probably just more conditioned to deal with the challenges because you've already had so many challenges in the past. So maybe you don't get rattled and not getting rattled is actually you finding yourself and being happier or just having a higher low. As it was before, when you haven't had as many life experiences and you're getting so rattled by it because you're like, wait, I don't, this is really weird. It's kind of like

being dumped a third time. Like the first one may really fuck you up. Second time you're like, all right, I remember this. This is a great feeling. The third one, you're like, all right, looks who look who single again, you know, like because you're just, you've been through it enough. And then the last part on like this finding yourself, I don't think I'm personally impressionable. Like I don't know that I can be, maybe gullibles too hard of a word, but I don't think I'll ever have a moment where it's like, yep. Now I get it. Like I don't, for me that moment doesn't really exist. I know myself now, I know how I'll react to certain things.

I have other goals, I have things I hope that happen. If they don't, I'm much more suited to handle it now than I would have in my 20s because I've already gone through a lot of this stuff. So that moment, that Xanadoo, cool, go for it. I'm not quite sure it exists the way we think it will when we're young. Unless'd go to like South America And drink ayahuasca for that. Yeah, and then that that actually sounds like finding yourself. Yeah

Yeah, I don't I don't think there's an aha moment either. I think it's just like a slow build of of less than you pick up along the way I think it's but the problem the problem with the drug part of it not to be the anti-drug guy But like in the moment you may feel that way. And then the shit wears off and you're like, oh, remember when I thought everything was going to be different today. Yeah. Yeah. That's called these really mushrooms.

Yeah. I should go take that drug. Yeah. Yeah. Could you go to Joshua Tree? Do you really think when you go there that like a couple days after that visit, like everything is fucking different? Yeah. Like that visit, like everything's fucking different. Yeah, like that's, that's kind of ridiculous.

Like that place would be way more popular if it had that long of an impact on the rest of your life. Although, if enough, and it's pretty popular now. Enough people had taken acid in the 60s, who knows? There was that, there was a moment where maybe if enough people had done it, the whole world would have been different. I think finding yourself is, I agree with you guys, not an aha moment, it's a moment where maybe if enough people had done it, the whole world would have been different. I think finding yourself is, I agree with you guys,

not an aha moment, it's a slow burn. And I actually think it's all about like real confidence. Cause you, as you get older, you start looking back and you're like, that was totally fake confidence. And then eventually you get to a point where you're like, I'm confident in myself, like I'm confident in who I am. And I know when I fuck up, I know when I do good things, and having that like real confidence

where little things don't bother you as much, and you just know like, hey, this is how I'm living my life, and I think I'm doing a good job in it. And yeah, there'll still be bumps, it's not boom. Everything changes like we're still saying it's a complete fraud, like that aha moment, but that feeling of getting to a point where you're like,

okay, this is what real confidence does feel like. And knowing what the fake confidence felt like when you were going through all those changes and being like, yeah, wait, that really what I was kind of putting on a front there. Like I was covering up some stuff. I was acting away that was not really truly me. And maybe it's as simple as like, you know,

when people are like, Hey, you want to go off for beer? Like no, I'm not myself. No, I'm good. I think being confident yourself is turning inward too. And I think the part of being younger is, as you said, day and like having theash, just having an attitude of wanting to put off a certain aura to everybody around you. And you do reach a certain age, and it's not at aha moment,

but there is a shift that happens. For me, it was in between 30 and 35, it started to, which I think the guy who came up with the 18 to 34-year-old demographic, and then 35 starts a new demographic. That guy's a fucking genius because I feel like something did change like once I turned 35. Um, I think it's less about like trying to solve or trying to like tweak your image to the outside world and you get to a point where you start getting more worried or more

focused on like just when you look in the mirror, what do you see? And when you're going to bed at night and you're staring at the ceiling, like what are you good with who you are, what you think and like all that sort of thing. And I think that's what finding yourself is. It's like you ultimately get to a point where you're like, honestly, I might not be for everybody, you know?

There are gonna be people that think I'm a know it. You know, and like I said, I do struggle with that. Like I don't wanna text people in like the outward part of my life is still a struggle for me because I do sometimes think that I'm a bother to people and all that thing. But inward, like I'm totally fine with like who I am, what I believe, how much money I make, how famous I am.

Like all that sort of shit, like you get to a point where you're just secure in it. And I think that's the process of finding it. It's kind of like, it's to a shitty analogy would be like, with the confidence thing, for the first, whatever however many years your life, it's like you're trying to drive a car really fast. And then you kind of hit a point where you're like,

I'm just kind of in this car. I'm in the passenger seat, I'm good. Like things will happen, friends will come, friends will go, new experience. We'll get there when we get there. Yeah, like it, yeah. You just have, friends will go, new experience. We'll get there and there's no need to, yeah. You just have a, again, it is not aha, and it does take gradual time,

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GrubHub and DoorDash. And now here's more life with Ryan and Mark. Was there a moment for any of you guys because there is no aha moment. I agree with that 100%. But there are a lot of little moments that add up into making you who you are at any given time. Was there a moment looking back on it that you knew was a very important choice or an important thing that you did that you agree now, that was a small aha moment that built me up

into what I am right now. Good question. Ah. One moment that I look back on was when I stepped on the scale and I weighed 50 pounds more than I thought I was going to weigh. That's every day, bro. That's every day, bro.

That kind of started to, that was one definitive moment my new trick by the way just as a side step or I want to hear this story but I uh when I weigh myself with the gym I'll make sure that I'm holding all like four towels before I go to the shower so I can do it. Those are probably each each one's frying one now so I'm good. I knew I was fat but then but then I had an idea what the number might be and I was like, it's gonna be a really high number and then I stepped on it. It was about 50 pounds more than I thought it was gonna be.

I was like, geez. Yeah, yeah. Wait, so how long had you gone from the previous time and you just don't want to step on a scale? Yeah, it'd probably been a few years, honestly. That's great. I knew I'd put on a few pounds, but it didn't really fully.

And then one day I was like, I actually got a masculated. I don't know how to stay basketball event. I got called out for being fat basically, which I was totally fine with because it was like all the dudes I played with and we all bust each other's balls. And I literally wrote a book telling some stories about these guys that how many times am I going to mention I wrote a book by the way. Um, um, so you're probably just going to reach out and go, Hey, we sold way more. Um, but uh, uh, uh, yeah, there we go.

I was, I was, you know, I was fine. I was fine with it. Uh, you know, I, I kind of made my own bed in that regard, but like guys were, were coming at me and how fat I was. So I went home and I was like, am I that fat? I just thought I was a little bigger. I thought if you get done playing basketball, you get bigger.

Magic Johnson's a little bigger than he was when he played. It just kind of happens. And then I weighed myself and I was like, geez. And then that started, that honest to God, a jokes aside that did start like a personal discovery path for me It really did like I started like like I I am I my life is out of control and I just kind of like slowly I started identifying I was like if I can weigh 50 pounds More than I thought I weighed what other things in my life have I completely lost track of like how I'm treating people and

Relationships and all this sort of thing and Yeah, so I don't know if that answers the question, but that was one definitive moment. I vividly remember stepping on the scale and being like, fuck me. This is bad. Yeah. I have a lighter one if you want me to go in between

Titus and Rousseau. Was that a weight joke? It was not. I actually think that when I was 12 years old, I was on a family vacation and I won a hundred dollars on a turtle race in Key West Florida and I was like, damn, that was fun. I like that. And I actually probably should look back and realize like, yeah, that was probably the moment

where I was like, I like this. This is fun. This is the thing I like more than anything else pretty much. So yeah, that probably would be the moment where I found myself. I was like, fuck that rocked. My turtle went faster. If that turtle had been just half a step slower.

Never gamble my life. This podcast would not exist. That's the ultimate, it's the turtle effect. Yeah. I also went, I think it was 20, or is 1994 or five. I went 16 for 16 in the first day of the tournament and 15 for 16 in the second day of the tournament

in my bracket, and I was like, this rocks. Wow. So those two moments probably are the two moments where I'm like, that was awesome. I have a couple. I don't know. One's a little heavier, one's a little lighter. I'll do the heavier one first. Is that a weight choke? Did you get it later?

One of the things that I think is great about the mental health awareness stuff is that, you know, it makes people that feel like they're alone, realize they're not alone, right? I think there's also, and I don't know how popular it should be, I think there's also a slight lane where it's like, hey, I'm bummed out, fucking deal with it and get out of my way, where when I was going through my mid-twenties and, you know, I go from still being in your college town to taking this baseball gig that I was like every week I showed up to work, I was getting, I was broker and broker. Like it cost me more money to stay there than it did to actually do the job because they totally lied to me about how the commissions were working all this stuff. But I was in my first on air gig, and back then you did more than a laptop to just be on the air.

And so then I proposed to my girlfriend, she said, no, so we had a couple things not working out. This is 2002, right? The famous 2002 year. 2002, again. Yeah, real historians, no. I was really, really miserable. I was sad, you know, I was, I was pretty fucking bummed out, man. I was pretty bummed out. But then I started realizing that I kind of enjoyed being bummed out because then it gave me an excuse to do nothing, right?

Like, hey, maybe you should start working. Now, can't, dude. Like, I'm just not there. And I started being so comfortable with it that I'm at least glad that I was like, okay, wait a minute. Like, you may not be super happy and get through this phase, but this isn't an excuse for everything.

It's not an excuse for you to be shitty to your siblings. It's not an excuse to like lose, lose touch. It's not an excuse to have your parents like have to fucking cater to every whim that you have because they know that you're hurting right now. And once I kind of realized like, hey, do you like this? Do you like being bummed out? So therefore you have an excuse?

It kind of made me look at myself a little bit differently. And then I'd say the more light one is just being an ESPN and in the first few years with Vampel, they all wanted to replace me other than Vampel. They every time the show was bad, it was my fault. When the show was good, it was because of him. It was absurd, on and on and on. Bad contract offers, all the stuff.

When I put my name on the show, it wouldn't make me a full-time employee. It didn't have health benefits for the first, I think, fucking two or three years on the show. I mean, all this stuff. And everything was designed to try to get me to quit. And so I started, and this sucks when you're an on air person. You start thinking like, wait, do I suck?

Like, I'm surrounded by managers that all keep telling me I suck in one version of another. And based on the offers that they're giving me, instead of just being fair and making me a fucking employee, they had a fuck with me at every single turn. And I was like, you know what? I actually think I'm good. And if I stay in this role long enough, I'll still have more, I'll gain more staying on the afternoon show at ESPN Radio than I will in anything else. And they kind of know it.

It'd be nice if they could just be fair and I could go to the fucking dentist, but no, they're not gonna do that. But I had like a real epiphany as an on-air person, which I think anybody pursuing the on-air stuff is, unless you're lying to yourself. But there was a moment where I just, and it happened too late for me, but there was a moment where I went, hey, you know what, I'm fucking good.

Yeah. I was like, I'm just good at this. I'm good at this job. Yeah. I've listened now to everybody else. I've listened to the people that are supposedly 10 times better than me. There are people that are better at me than this. I think this guy's better at doing radio.

I think this person interviews, but the collection of what I am now at this point, my abilities, I was like, I'm fucking good. So I know I, when I show up here, I've got 10 different people looking at me, wishing they could replace me because I'm just not famous enough, which is no hold on to the conversation. But once I had that like moment, a real zen moment of his an honor, a person or anyone who's performing or writing or doing these kind of things, like once you, now you could also be lying to yourself too. So there's probably some people listening to me

like I think you suck in your full of shit, right? Cause you know, it's all a taste thing. But for some of the more creative careers, when you get to this level where you're just so confident in your abilities, and honestly, it doesn't have to just be the creative stuff. It could be somebody who's working in a corporate, but once you're like, hey, you know what,

I'm pretty fucking good at this. I think you become even better, because now you've not self-acceptance, but it's this moment of like, hey, all the uncertainty of like, am I doing a good job? Am I not doing a good job? Once you stop thinking about that stuff, it frees up all this other room

to just continue to execute and be even better of whatever it is you're doing. Yeah, and I go going back to what we were talking about with the guy in his first job and all that sort of thing and how like when you're that young, you're working with so few data points. I think part of that, Rassilo, is that as you get older, I almost liken the jobs that we do to be in like baseball players

where like every show, we both are all four of us. We talk so goddamn much for a living. This is what we do. We talk, there's so many times, we make so many jokes, we have so many takes, not all of them hit, some of them are good, some of them are bad, whatever. And I think when you're starting out in this job or in the other job, when you have fewer data points, you're first at bat in the big leagues, you strike out, you're like, I suck.

I obviously, I have won it bat. I threw a fastball right down the dick and I let it go by. I obviously am not built for this. Once you've been in the majors for five or six years and you have some things you look back on and you're like, yeah, I had that one great play and this and that. If you go through a slump or whatever, you get

a bit more secure with like your abilities. And yeah, once you've like convinced yourself I am good at this, then you can handle striking out five straight at bats, you know, and it's not as, it's not as big of a deal to you. If people on the internet say you suck and whatever else you have to deal with, because you come a little more secure with it all. No, it's a great point both of you. Like, PFT and I had this with this show. Like, I think if you look at the beginning apart in my take, we structured everything so meticulously and like,

then we're gonna talk about this and then talk about that. And then we hit a point where like, we're good at this and people wanna just listen to us, just be friends and talk sports. And it like, it completely opened it up to a different show that I think is great because of that, where it's like, you don't have to have every next step planned and once you realize, hey, I'm good at this job,

it does open you up to be like, I can do this. And it's a lot of small dubs along the way. Life is about stacking small dubs until it eventually reaches a point Where you do have that baseline set of like confidence that you can go out and get another small dub right? You're not gonna hit a home run every time But if you know that you can make contact back to your baseball analogy work It makes the ability to hit a home run that much easier. Yeah Yeah, um going another a ha ha moment. I just thought of was, I think I've told the story on this show or a million shows,

but I'll do it again here. VanPelt speaking of VanPelt, it was the 2016, I believe, NCAA tournament, and I was working at Grantland of VanPelt, reached out to me and was like, we're gonna do a bracket special show at ESPN, and we want to fly you in, because you're under contract.

I think Grantland might have been, have had dissolved by this point because I think that was 2015. I think that was Halloween 2015, but I was still under ESPN contract. Did you have health benefits? I honestly, I think at that age, I don't even know if I would have realized if I did or not. I think health benefits to your kids. That's as young as I was was like, the fuck am I going to do with this? Oh, but I probably did. I don't even know if I would have realized if I did or not. I think health and a fifth to a kid that's as young as I was. It's like, fuck up, I gotta do it this.

Oh, but I probably did. I don't know. I was still under context, and Vampelp flies me. He's like, we're gonna do a selection show. From Bristol, we want you there. Come, it come be a part of the broadcast. So I come up to Bristol. I was really excited about it at first. And then I'm there in the production meeting and

he tells me it's going to be I think it was J billless. I know it was J billless and I think it was Carol Lawson at the time when she was at ESPN and it was going to be me and then and then obviously Scott that we were going to be the four on air talent for this deal and I only two Duke people and I only two Duke people. Yeah. Yeah. Shocking. And I had done a few hits with him at this point, and I'd done a little TV stuff, but by no means was I a television person or an on-air guy or anything like that.

And my excitement, like in this pre-production meeting, or this production meeting, my excitement had gone from, or my emotion had gone from being excited about the opportunity and like holy shit This is gonna be awesome. My boys are gonna see me on ESPN for an hour for the selection show It's like holy shit. I am not qualified for this at all. What am I doing here? And Van Pell gave me the best piece of advice I Will always remember I've told the story a million times, but here's a million than one

He could sense that I was nervous and he just pulled me aside. He was like, hey man I don't need you to be J. Billis. We didn't we didn't call you to come up here And I didn't I didn't you know reach out to you to be here so you could go out there and just try to be J. Billis I have J. Billis here to be J. Billis I want you to be Mark Titus and if you do that we're gonna have a great show and it felt like a Thousand pound weight just fell up melted off me and I honest to God I think about that whenever I'm having even now at 35 years old all these years later Like whenever I'm having like a bad

You know self-doubt of like my spot and my career like my you know like what what are the podcasts? Chart saying or like what are my bought whatever I just take like a deep breath and I do think about that And I'm like at the end of the day if I just continue to like do what I think is good and I know I'm good The rest of it will take care of itself. So that was another aha moment for me, and we all love Scott, so I thought I would give him a shout out. That's a, it's interesting to think about,

because a lot of times you don't think about the impact that way you tell other people. You don't think about the impact that it's going to have on them, but there's so many points in my life that were completely changed by somebody telling me like, hey, I believe in you. You're good at this and they Yeah, but for Scott Mimpel to not say I want you here because I think someday you might be XYZ he was like I want you here because right now I see you as this. I don't know that was a super fucking life

I mean now three of our bosses Dave Port Portner, not a big compliment guy. I don't know if anyone has realized that, but I still remember the only compliment he pretty much ever gave me. I wrote a blog in like 2013, 2012, and he just emailed me good blog. And I was like, oh shit. Oh my gosh, that was good.

Okay, and I literally, that gave me the confidence. So it's like what PFT was getting at, like it's also pay it forward Yes, you know tell other people like I try to do that with guys and girls at the office like if they do something good It doesn't it doesn't take anything to tell someone they did a good job Yeah, you know, I mean like it's very easy It's not a heavy lift and it probably means a lot more to them than you realize in the moment because even Dave Just saying good blog was like,

oh my God, this is fucking awesome. Yeah, something makes me laugh. I try to tell the person that was very funny. Yeah, or like you're really good at that, because that can have a big impact on how they feel about themselves, that can change everything. Yeah, I still remember, one of my big moments in my life was just barely getting into a comedy

writing class my senior year of college and I had done like I do everything else I waited to the very last second to fill out my schedule didn't apply for any classes. That class was all filled up. I emailed the professor, his name's Inman Majors, great teacher and he wrote me back, he's like, I'll let you to this class. No problem. First day of class, he asks us to write something, we turn in, and I was walking out of the room,

and he goes, hey, that was funny, you're funny writer. Yeah. And that moment right there, that was the only class that I cared about for the rest of my college career, that tiny little praise that he gave me, gave me confidence to be like, well, maybe I should pursue a career in comedy writing, that changed the entire trajectory of my life.

So I always try. If something makes me laugh, I'll just tell the person like, Hey, that was awesome. Good job. And you never know. It's important to pay it forward because you never know what that person's going to end up doing for the rest of their life. Yeah. Do you regret it if you find out the person sucks?

Oh, getting a compliment from a shithead. Who's cars backing? No, no, no. No, the other way around complimenting somebody that you're like three months later, you see a few more there. Yeah, no, that's that's also happened. Yes, that has happened to me. And, uh, and I get shit on a lot for certain instances of that. And that I'll leave it, I'll leave it there. Yeah, then after the show of ampelt told me you should have been Jay billless. As it turns out, you would about the. It would have been a much better show.

But it's like if Bill Cosby had been like, hey man, that was, I think you're very talented. And then you find out like 10 years later what Bill Cosby was up to. Or you're like, oh my god. What did you see in me? Yeah, but then the reverse. The version of what we're talking about. There was a art teacher somewhere in fucking Germany or whatever in 1917's like you suck it painting.

Yeah. So, you'd be better. So you said like, hey, you're a good painter. Things could have been different. Or maybe the art teacher said, I don't need you to be Leonardo da Vinci. I just need to be Leonardo da Vinci's already. I need to be Leonardo da Vinci's already. I need to be Leonardo da Vinci's already.

I need to be Leonardo da Vinci's already. I need to be Leonardo da Vinci's already. I need to be Leonardo da Vinci's already. I need to be Leonardo da Vinci's already. I need to be Leonardo da Vinci's already. I need to be Leonardo da Vinci's already. I need to be Leonardo da Vinci's already. I need to be Leonardo da Vinci's already. being in a fitler will be good enough. Good point. Do you know that when FDR was taking a ship across the Atlantic to set up for this meeting during World War II in Africa, not the one in Toronto, but they did a demonstration out at water and they almost torpedoed the ship that FDR was on from a US. It actually was heading towards it and they had to find a way to detonate it before it

destroyed the ship and killed the president. Our armed forces almost killed our own president as we were shipping across the Atlanta. All time Jimbo right there. I got a fun fact for you that I gave to PFT last night, racially you like this. Do you know who the first American to find out that Joseph Stalin died? Mickey Mantle.

Johnny Cash. Look it up. He was in the armed forces. He was like, he was a decoder in, you know, doing Morse code in Germany after the war. It's definitely true. go look it up. But no, PFT is exactly right. Like that was a great point.

That telling people just good job and getting to a point where you, because that also comes back to the whole confidence thing, because when you're younger, telling someone good job or that was funny, you're like, I'm never gonna do that. Like then, I'm telling them they're funny or the meat? Like fuck that. You get to a point where you're like, I'm never gonna do that. Like then, like, I'm telling them they're funny you're the me, like fuck that.

You get to a point where you're like, give, give, give, I DM these actresses all the time. I can't believe it. Cindy Sweeney, great job. I can't believe. Yeah, like you were so good on Love Island. Max, you're funny. Yeah, you are funny guys.

You're so funny when you lose memes. Thanks guys, appreciate it. Appreciate it. You're memes. No, lose memes. Thanks guys, appreciate it. You're just memes. No, all right, I got some quick hitters for us. So one guy said a bunch of these are good. How to balance your friends caring about politics versus not caring about politics?

Thought that would be a good one coming up. If you're gonna have a year, we're someone who cares about politics. You should just know that your friends that don't care about politics probably hate you. That's a good one. I would say, I would say, like, it just like, I don't know, like, maybe just, this is a good

time to split up the friend group or something. Because like, I can't imagine, like, when you sit that to me, Dan, I've read it. I was like, I don't, I cannot imagine like two dudes that are like great friends. And one of them's like Very heavily into this shit and is just living on Twitter firing off tweets about Whatever grievance they have of the day and the other guys like yeah, bro, I don't really care Like I can't imagine how those two people get along right so I think you just throw up your hands and you're like all right This friendship isn't for me anymore. That's what I would do. I don't know if I'd a friend I also just I think it's as simple as just if you know you disagree that much. I don't know if I had a friend. I also just, I think it's as simple as just, if you know you disagree that much,

just don't talk about it. Don't talk about it. It's okay to be friends with someone and not talk about that stuff. Yeah. That's true too. I've got a lot of friends that I disagree with about stuff like that.

We just, you learn not to, it's not productive. No one's gonna change anybody's mind. Right. It's like 23. We all kind of are who we are at this point. Our country is like 49%. Every election, is that fucking weird? How you can have two candidates that could not be less alike

and they'll always end up getting 49% of the vote, both of them. There's just like two people that live in this country and if you don't get along with the other person, when it comes to certain things, then just don't bring up those things. But also with politics, it's gotten, I feel like the word politics has changed.

Because now politics at any given moment just means the things that any politician happens to care about at that time. And so what might be politics, somebody, is just somebody else's life. So I don't know where to draw the line. Like what is political? Politics just means having an opinion.

I also, where you're like, I think, like if you tell your buddy, like I think in Beade should have won MVP, and they're like, whoa dude, let's not bring it up. Let's not bring it up. That's very well. I also think that I never understood the people. Good American.

We're like, I found out one of my friends thinks this, so I had to stop being friends with them. Like, maybe I'm naive, but I don't really talk politics at all with any of my friends, but I also know some of my friends think differently than me, and that's a good thing. Like that's a very good thing. Yeah, I interpret, you're right.

I interpreted the question as like, my buddy is super into politics and talks about it to me all the time, and I don't give a fuck. What do I do? And I'm like, you know, you know, that, yeah. Let's stop talking about it question as like, my buddy is super into politics and talks about it to me all the time and I don't give a fuck, what do I do? And I'm like, you do this. No, that, yeah. Let's stop talking about it or like, I guess you just don't be friends with it. Yeah, I don't know what else to.

Ryan, when you're getting into the tech, I remember one sign up. I should have said it, the economy, I said tax. I said tax. I said tax. Then I became the only guy in the country apparently that cares about taxes, which is really a surprise I'm not getting booked on more shows. Ryan, when you invited your friend to go with you on a vacation to Washington DC in January

of 2021, and then it turns into a big political thing. Did that ruin that picture? I remember I think you guys did it too like I already taped the pod that morning and then you know Usually an hour or two before it goes live and I tweeted out the link and it was January 6 It was like oh figures that you would release your pod on January 6th I'm like look anybody if anybody can tell me that boots on the ground that somebody goes hey Brazil overleased this pod that boots on the ground, that somebody goes, hey, Rassillo released his pod. Let's rethink what we're doing.

If the release of my pod are like, hey, guys, Rassillo isn't releasing his podcast today. Let's pack up. Let's pack up and let's go back. Then I would have done whatever it could have been. I think what I look at with all the politics stuff is that I'm actually not very political. I think the extremes at both sides like you such fucking hypocrites because the

same stuff that like one candidate would do that you're gonna spend all time tweeting about if your guy does it then you're gonna defend it. The same shit is like most sixers arguments honestly. So I just I don't have really much patience for. I remember one time I was at the dinner or we're having drinks with Mick Shay and one of his buddies, I guess it's like super political and I barely knew him. And there was something about the killing of Osama Bin Laden.

And I was like, well, I imagine whoever was in power would have done it. And he was like, are you kidding me? He's like, what's said infatically? And I was like, it was like warming up with 315 on the bench. I was like, it was like warming up with 315 on the bench. I was like, holy shit dude. I was like, I just kind of had like a layman's approach. I wasn't read up on it.

So I'm not presenting this as fact later on. Like, you know, if you had a chance to take a terrorist, that's probably a pretty high approval rating move and that probably anybody in office would have done it. Again, I'm just kind of thinking like out loud of how I was thinking it, you would have thought I insulted his wife and the wife's sister and everything. And it was like, I couldn't fucking believe it. And I turn to Mcshega, what's that all about?

And he's like, oh, did you talk politics? Yeah, he goes, don't. He goes, don't. We none of us will. I can't stand it. It's fucking brutal. I mean, look, this encounter I think was like 15 years ago, and I've still never forgotten it because this was like pre-twitter and all this stuff. I guess what I'd ask is those of you that have tweeted about politics non-stop for eight to

10 years or four or two or six. Has it been worth it? Yeah, right. What's changed? Has it been worth it? Yeah, right. Like what's changed? Yeah, right. Like, do you look back at all the time on that going really good use of time? Yeah. Really good use of time. I can never imagine.

I could never imagine unless your soul goal was to have a certain following because some people have, you know, weaponized a lot of this stuff, turned it into this massive following then they can pretend that they have some sort of presence when they say like featured on. It's like featured what? Like somebody replied to a fucking tweet. So I get that there's a lane there for people that can kind of find their niche with content, but now we're kind of on to something else. I personally would have to do like a real hard, hey, we're not doing this. Like if we want to be buddies and it's not even that maybe I even oppose you, I just think of this as a topic I'm not interested in. And you think that I'm supposed to be.

Yeah. All right. Next one. Underrated vacation destination activities or spots. I thought that was good. I got a good one. Yeah. Medieval times. Medieval times is the best place in the world. It is so fun. You go there, they give you a turkey leg, the size of your torso. They give you flagins of ale. They fucking bring you flagins of ale.

Then you get to watch nights, they put food to shoot out of each other. Who cares? It might be, it tastes good because I'm watching a sword fight while I'm eating it. And if it's not good, I just tell myself, wait, this is what food tasted like in the year 1100. And then all of a sudden, it's like,

okay, I'm really getting into this vibe right now. Medieval times is the best place on earth. I'm actually mad at myself for not going a single time to the one out in New Jersey since I've lived in New York because I always have, some of the best times in my life have been had at a medieval times. That's a good one. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm not a huge vacation guy like Hank is.

He's on vacation right now. Um, I love going to just pick a city and just no real plan. Being like, I'm gonna walk around this city for three days, long weekend. Done it in a bunch of great cities. Wait, when's the last time you even did this? I did. Well, now with kids, but I've done Seattle, Portland, Toronto. You just fly it. You just, you just, you just, no, we'll, no, like I'll go to dinners and shit, but I'm saying like walking around with who? What? What? Why? If someone stops,

someone stops you. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we're by myself or so. But yeah, so, you're walking around. Yeah, there's someone in Seattle and they You bump into him you make small talk and they're like where you're from and you're like I'm from out east And they say what are you here for and you say just a fucking walk around for three days? No, I like like go see shit Are you guys really think is that weird you got to have? No, I don't think it's weird to like pick a city that you've never been to to but like the way I think it was the way you Okay, maybe I presented it and credit up it. Okay, like going to Toronto You know had a couple dinners planned but a lot of it was just walking around the city different neighborhoods like just

Catching the vibe like grabbing a beer here grabbing a coffee here. I it's my favorite It's leading with just walking around yeah, okay, that probably is a bad way. Yeah, if you, but I, yeah, I have picked a spot on a map and said, let me, I've never been there. Let me go check this out. I would highly recommend it. What, who's, who's is beeping? Who's truck is beeping? I'm beeping.

What's going on? Are you getting toned? Dark garbage day. Oh, garbage day. No, I, I, cause a lot of people think vacation you gotta go to a beach somewhere. I really do think it's like very cool to go see what another city is like by just hanging out and like.

One of the cool, one of the, one of my most memorable vacations was, I looked at the map of North America. I picked out, I was just staring at it like, where have I never really been. Nova Scotia looked funny to me on the map of North America. I picked out, I was just staring at it like, where have I never really been. Nova Scotia looked funny to me on the map. And I started googling like how far would it take to drive there from Columbus, Ohio?

And I just mapped out of vacation. I drove up to like Toronto and then Ottawa and like over and over back. And Nova Scotia, and like the whole trip was insane because it was like, I would never in a million years have planned a trip to go to Quebec City or to go to New Brunswick, like wherever the hell is. And I was like I would never in a million years have planned a trip to go to Quebec City or to go to you know New Brunswick like wherever the hell and I was like this is awesome and Canada's like I'd been to Canada a few times but um yeah so to that point that is that is a good move

that's a good move just like you have to wrap it around around some event or something that you're doing there like I could see myself saying you know what I'm gonna go check out San Diego gonna go to Padres game so yeah I reach for a little bit and? I'm gonna go check out San Diego. Gonna go to Padres game. Go teach for a little bit. And then just spend my time walking around San Diego. Yes, yeah, I haven't, yeah. We've done it and not wrapped around any event. Like did Savannah, Georgia, like had a couple great meals,

rented a car, drove around, like, it was fucking awesome. Just like seeing what the city is like on not like a touristy way, but just like kind of being in it. All right, bad idea, sorry. You know what? No, no, no, it's a good idea. It's a good idea. You just led with, you led with it.

I also like the cities and walk around for a day. I'm also realizing now that like when I say that like I just show up, like I'm starting to realize that like my wife probably planned a lot of stuff that I don't even realize. So it's like one of those situations where I'm like, this is cool my wife probably planned a lot of stuff that I don't even realize. So it's like one of those situations where I'm like, this is cool. Like we did all this stuff and it's like how this all happened and it's like she's probably planned it all out and I'm just a fucking moron.

You know what? I've done it. I've done that before New Orleans, my first time to New Orleans. It's just like, let's go to New Orleans and see what it's about. Most of the other times I do it, there is a beach that's nearby. And so it'll be under the pretense of, I'm gonna go to the beach in Miami, but what I really end up doing, I'll spend some hours at the beach,

but I'll go around, I'll eat dinners, go see what the town has to offer, check out neighborhoods. It's not that weird. Like I did in Toronto, and all we had planned was a few dinners. And like we just, like there was one day we walked probably 15 miles

where we just walked through the entire city, and it was fucking awesome. I don't know it was cool I guess right but you used in the beginning. I know I know I know I know I know I know that was stupid that was stupid That was stupid how I saw what you're saying is you go places with your wife. Yeah. Yeah, yeah Anyone else ever know you Ryan you've ever ever picked out a city to go on You ever picked out a city to go on vacation and then gone with a loved one Yeah, Paris is a great city to just go to walk around I did just walk around Paris. Yeah, I go into any of the we went to the Louvre and the line was so long We're like fuck this. I did to The Louvre is overrated. Yeah.

That's one thing you can take away from this podcast. If you go to Paris, go to, go to Mouset dorset, don't go to the Louvre. Fuck the Louvre forever. My favorite vacation I've ever taken was to Alaska to Denali National Park. So I would, I would, I would special shout out to that. I've done a lot of the nature trips, a lot of the national parks. I've hit a, I've hit most, actually behind my shoulder for my background is like all that's, I can't point. I'm stupid, there it is. A lot of the national parks I've entered. Denali was awesome because it was like the one place where you just feel like you're on your own.

They take one bus and they drop you off and they're like, if you die, you die. We'll bring one bus through here to pick up whoever survives um and that was awesome so uh not to go long how many days I did a full week there not to go a Christmas canless on you you know the uh into the wild guy that uh died in the bus um but yeah that was pretty fucking awesome to just be out there and like to have those moments of because a lot of these national parks they just like pave a parking lot and you see people and like designer Jeans that are like walking or like as you're you're trying to be an outdoor rugged, you know like diesel Yeah, what about you right? I'll also under like Hawaii is I know this now

Hawaii is the one place I've been where everyone I thought overrated it and it was underrated when I went I was like holy shit This place is incredible. No, why at least I've been to Maui just a few times. And I would say most places I've been lucky enough to travel a lot. After a while, I'm like, all right, I got it. Maui is one of those places where when you go have to leave, you're like, I don't really feel like leaving.

So my big things is role-playing. That's why I go alone. Because I'll just stay in a village, whether it's Switzerland, France, Italy. And I may just go out one of those nights and pretend I'm a completely different person. And I'll just look a little stressed out. I'll have a attaché with me and I'll just ask if anybody's seen the ambassador. And then I just have some drinks in the back.

And I, you know, some people come up to me and like, you know, probably shouldn't sit here. I'm in danger. And then everybody gets super fucking freaked out and then I just over to the next place. Just fuck with him, be like, no, who's Ryan Rassilla? What's the best place you've been, Ranks? You have been, I feel like the most places out of any of us.

I gotta, I think Santa pays the coolest place I've ever been in the world. And I've been, you know, I was at a different place, you know, age-wise when I went to Negril and Jamaica, but I fucking loved it because I loved how, you know, I mean this in the best way possible, but like it got real grimy. And you could just, I had my own motorcycle and I would just roll up to these shacks and I love reggae.

I fucking loves the music so much. And people would care more about like their speaker setup than literally any other possession they had. Housecar, pets, like they cared about speakers. And so I would just pull up to these shacks where it would just be stacks and stacks of speakers. And you just be on and stacks of speakers. And you'd just be on some weird side road. And I'd pull up and, you know, sit there and fucking the guys would just bring out 45s and play all this kind of music that I've never heard before.

I'd be writing it down, but it's amazing. And then I'd get on my motorcycle and like go to the next place. There's a couple nights ago, a little weird. I don't know that I'll ever share that story. But that, at least for my age, in my mindset, in the setup that I had, and really loving the people of Jamaica, that I just, there's no way I could replicate that at 47 years old. Because at 47, I'd be like, there's no fucking way

I'm doing that deal again. But yeah, I went to Santa Pay, the South of France. And what I loved about it is if you didn't know your France, right? If you just, whatever, like dropped in the middle of it, it's like, hey, guess where you are? You could say Spain, you could say Northern Italy, you might say France, tone of beach, if you look at the history. Yeah, if you look at the history of kind of like who was,

who was Mingland with who based on who was winning some of these battles going back years and years years ago, it's just a big melting pot of a lot of people. And so, you know, you're walking around the main village and guys are playing Vachi at two in the morning and it's like a legit tournament and you just grab a beer and you're watching these old guys play and like everybody's going nuts. And then yeah, there's the high end boat thing, which is cool and the supper clubs go fucking crazy. And I wasn't even, I didn't even know if I would have gotten

into one of the supper clubs. Certainly a, hey, just one. Yeah, right. You know, and we're talking like full blown Vegas show tunes, but you can see it as you walk by it. So you'd have to bring a group, but you know, nobody could go by themselves, although maybe I should have tried to break that trend. But to go to that club 55 thing, where, you know, again, it can sound a little trendy,

like Bridget Bardot and all these actors and actresses that went out to this part of the South of France and make it a really trendy. But this is the part where I love Europe because we're so fucking uptight in the United States States and you don't understand it. Like going to F1 in Mexico City and seeing like everybody just be like, yeah, this is another international super bowl for this sport that America is just figuring out what a big deal it is. We want it to be the best time ever. We're not worried about fucking with everybody.

Like do you have your past? You don't have your past. Like the way the super bowl plays out versus like some of this international stuff that I've been to now, I don't know, like maybe we're doing it wrong all the time. So to finish the point is I'm at this beach club in Saint-Jourpe and at six o'clock, the guys like, hey, I gotta take the chair.

And I'm like, God damn it, like I pay 50 bucks to this chair and I'm just kind of settling in. The sun isn't gonna set until like after nine o'clock, the time of the year I was there. I just cracked open my JP Morgan Ron Churnow book. And the guys are like, you can stay as late as you want. And I'm like, what are you talking about? He's like, yeah, and most people just leave

because the beach club is closed, and the bar is closed, and the restaurant's closed, and whatever, he's like, if you are cool, he's like, you fuck stay here the rest of the night. I was like, are you serious? So for two nights in a row, I just hung out at that beach club and watch the sunset and then walked all the way up the beach into like another village and like found a place to eat and all that kind of stuff. So even though I'm in one of the trendiest, most touristy places ever, there's still these moments where you feel like

it's so relaxed because it's your up and look, I'm telling you, if you do have a girlfriend or a wife, it's also even, it would probably be better with them, little rosé and watching the sunset on this beach. I couldn't believe they let me stay there. And when I came back the next night, the guys were like, hey man, and I was like, I'm I good again? They're like, no problem.

So yeah, I've done the Amalphi thing, I've done Switzerland, I've done Germany, I've done parts of France, I've done Jamaica, I've done almost the islands. You know, I haven't done it in any South America. I'd like to go to Japan at some point, but Santa Pays at the top of the store. So I love that this question, the first answer was medieval time. Yeah. And then we eventually got to Santa Pays. Yeah. Well mine was an activity. Yeah, that was too long. That was part of the question was activity. Yeah, that was too long. That was part of the question was activity. Yeah, that was too long.

No, it wasn't too, just the start of a PFT was like Dave and Buzz. Yeah, that's my favorite. That's over two. That's number two on the race. But, it was like South of France. My favorite vacation, my actual favorite vacation was the Galapagos Islands in Ecuador.

And it is, it's the most unique place on Earth that you can go to. I wanna go back every time I plan a vacation. I'm like, can I just go back to the turtles again? That was a cool vacation, but it's so great because you arrive there and they limit how many people can come visit at a given time. You're not allowed to move there.

It's all local people and the only way you can move there is if you marry somebody that is a resident of the Galapagos Islands. And so it's like still very, very small. Sounds like California. Yeah. It's very, it's very small and it's a tight-knit community. But you get there and everybody at some point works in the tours and business or the conservation business. So you get like a sign to guide that will walk you around the island, take you to all these little beaches. First afternoon, we just got there, I walk out onto this beach,

he hands me a snorkel and fins. He's like, okay, dive into the water, there's some sea lions that are swimming around. They're gonna wanna play with you. I was like, what? So he's just jumping the water, it's perfectly clear. This fucking sea lion starts swimming up to me and he's like trying to get me to play.

And I'm like, I think this is like a dog. It's like a dog in the water. And he no joke brings a sea cucumber. It looks like a little dog toy and he comes up to me as he got the sea cucumber. And it's almost like he wants me to take it out of his mouth. And I'm like, I'm not gonna touch this thing. It's like 150 pounds.

It can make me drown. And then he takes it and then he drops it over his own shoulder and then he goes and plays fetch with it and brings it back to me. And at that moment I was like, this is the best place that I've ever been in my life. I'm playing fetch. It's like a Disney movie.

It's a sea lion. Yeah, it was incredible. And then you get to go see these giant tortoises walking around everywhere. The beers are just like the most simple but most refreshing beer that you'll ever have in your life. Yeah, I just wanna go back. I wanna go back to the Galapagos.

Plus you actually, you sneaky learn a lot about science and about nature while you're there because everything, they name everything after Darwin on that island. Like if Darwin ever gets canceled, they're gonna have a lot of stuff to tear down. In the Galapagos Islands. But yeah, I just wanna go back to Ecuador, man.

Uh, I think I gotta go to the Galapgur silence. But yeah, I just want to go back to Ecuador, man. I think I got to go to the Globgos now. All right, a couple other quick hitters. Underrated sporting event to attend in person. We've got, I would say collectively, we've probably been to like lucky enough to be in a lot of fucking cool places. The World Cup in Qatar.

It was fantastic. Specifically Qatar. The Emir did a great job hosting the world. I'd say like a soccer game, an international soccer game between two countries that actually care about soccer is awesome to go to that are like passionate, fired up at the brink of fighting. Yeah, what other? When I was when I was living in Columbus, the the the World Cup qualifier against Mexico was there every four years, I guess it would be. Um, and that was in that tiny little stadium in Columbus, Ohio, they usually play it in the fall,

where it'd be cold as shit. So the Mexicans, uh, would, would not want to, you know, warm up and they'd be losing their mind at how cold it is. That atmosphere was awesome. That atmosphere is like one of the coolest sporting atmospheres I've ever seen. I know it was in like a tiny soccer stadium in Ohio. Yeah. It was sick. What about you or so? A fight. Oh, yeah.

You have seen Vegas. Yeah, or boxing. I mean, I've been to a couple big ones when I was younger. It is unlike any energy I've ever been around. I'm not saying it's better, but it's different because there's like a tension. There's this fucking insane tension that's different than big time college football, tension, playoff baseball,

because all that tension, I've been in some Red Sox games in 03 and 04 where the tension in Fenway against the Yankees and that kind of stuff was pretty crazy, but it's a different, because you're almost like a little afraid. Yeah. I've been in some fights in Vegas in the early 2000s where depending on who was fighting and what

the crowd was like and whether or not you're staying in the fight hotel and you lead up to it. And there's this massive amount of tension. And then it's fun to bet it. And then it's over. And if it was like a great fight, the energy like goes in a different direction, but goes to another level. And then it's just kind of a free for all in the fight casino, if it's a good casino. Because then everybody who was just in the fight is like all hanging out and walking around and you're running into everybody.

I used to go all the time. I definitely missed that. Yeah, Dream on Green, you know what I mean? That's the one. Yeah, Dream on Green assaulted me coming out of McGregor Mayweather. But that's a good one. UFC, I went to a big fight at MSG.

That's pretty sick too. And then I would say Rose Bowl. I- Rose Bowl. Rose Bowl. I did my first one this year. Rose Bowl is so, it's just something about it. It's new years, it's everything.

It's sunset. It's just like people are in a good mood. It's just, even if your team's not in it, it's just a, like, it's just a beautiful. That backdrop. Yeah, it's just, it's something that's. That backdrop stuff to be. Yeah, and then I was gonna say the other one,

obviously Baton Rouge on a Saturday night is unlike anything else. And then off the, maybe not off the path, but Keenland racetrack in Kentucky is the only race april in october it is fucking awesome it's it's the rickley field family park of race of horse racing if you ever want to go for a weekend with your boys that's

i would put that at the top of the list i want to shout out the mowl invitations all yeah because i think everyone thinks of the mowl invitational as uh... being awesome just because of where it's at So like if the appeal of going to the Malian Vitaional would be to go to Maui obviously But if they put that gym Anywhere and on planet earth it would still be just an insane atmosphere like the atmosphere actually inside that I get more excited Every time I go to the Malian Vitaional I get more excited for what happens inside the gym than outside

It's it doesn't make any sense, but a Gym that's small like the energy this year when Arkansas was playing Creighton in the malignation. I swear to God It was the loudest I've ever heard of basketball gym in my life and it was Arkansas Creighton in Maui So shout out to shout out to the mountain. That's a good one to to Rassilla's point about the Super Bowl being like, you know It's it's not the same as other major international sporting events. It does feel super corporate. It's not the same type of fans out of game. I would, I would actually love it if the NFL just let a home team host the Super Bowl

every year and had the actual like organic energy from the fans in the crowd. I don't know how you determine that. I don't know they could plan it. Yeah, we're also going the opposite way because you know the NFL. They were hoping that they would get that game in Atlanta for the AFC championship game because I could totally see the NFL doing that in the future. It's never in a million years going to happen. Yeah. But how cool would it have been to see? Wait. Oh, yeah. I'm saying the championship game. I wouldn't be shocked if the championship teams become neutral. Right. In the next like

five, ten years, which I hate. I mean, it doesn't feel the if the championship became neutral in the next like five, 10 years. Which I hate. I mean, it doesn't feel the same. When you're going into a Super Bowl, it feels, it's such a sanitized version of watching a football game that it doesn't even feel like the sport sometimes. Yeah, agree.

Well, there's no major sport that its own recruit gives less of a fuck about fans than the NFL. I get that it's about maximizing the dollar, but to look at some of the flex scheduling thing where you're supposed to then what changed your plans last minute. Now, have you seen some of this stuff? Yeah, it's crazy. So I go, you're right, they're probably going to do it. They're probably going to do more neutral site stuff.

At first, it's like, like oh cool the draft is going everywhere And then you're like wait just because you can charge for it now So I I don't know the NFL I get maximizing every dollar that you can make But I think the NFL usually takes it to a level where you start going like dude is it is it this important? Yeah, they're also doing it's very clear what they're doing with the drafts They're basically sending it to all the cities that won't have super balls So I'm like well you had the draft when they were like green Bay. It's like okay. Well, yeah, that makes sense one last one and

This is this is more of a like True sickos, but if you can ever find yourself in a matching game on a 2-Zero Wednesday night It is something special because it's like, you're watching Division 1 College football and there's like, you know, a thousand people. And it's just the play is funny and it's like, and some of the stadiums, I know, funny how. Northern Illinois, you can go, you can leave the stadium

back to your car to drink at halftime and then go back in the stadium. Like, it's just, there's something special. We used to be able to do at halftime and then go back in the stadium like it's just there's something special. We used to be able to do that at Oregon. Really? Then Eugene. Yeah.

Have you guys gone to Eugene for a game? I haven't. I know. It's just such a pain in the ass. Have you been Titus? No. I was going to go to the Ohio State game up there and then COVID ruined it and yeah, the blue.

So I've not been there. When it's when it's rolling, I would actually put Oregon up there with a lot of places I've been, so. But now it's just turning into a conversation about what was something cool you did. Yeah, I like one. I would like to go to game in Boone, North Carolina. Yeah, that sounds like a great place to watch football games.

Yes, absolutely. All right, last one, because we've been running long, rowback question, rhob-o-b-a-c-k-k.com, use code take for 20% off your first purchase, QZIFs, polo's hoodies, joggers, code take for 20% off your first purchase. We were gonna do it my rush for it. We could just say what our number one, like we feel like we're getting old thing.

We could just do that and wrap it up with that. A group mount rush more? Yeah, group mount rush more. So everyone has one pick. Can explain, you know, what's the thing that you look at and you're like, fuck, I am getting old. All right. Let me just go wrap it up. Let's wrap it up. We can wrap it up. We can wrap it up. Everyone has a pack to knock and I'm talking about myself here a pack to not expire

Titus for silo pft myself. We'll do that order and we'll come back. Okay I'll start no of number one on my list was actually considering going to the doctor when you feel Like you know, I still don't know the doctor, but I still don't but it actually crosses my mind for like as I've gotten a little older I'm like should I go to the doctor? Yeah. And that was something I never ever thought of. I'm like this could be serious. Yes.

Yeah, this could be serious. And then I weighed a few days and it's fine, but yeah. That's a great one. Actually considering going to that. Yeah, just see, just even the thought, even the thought that creeps you through. The thought, yes. The thought alone, I feel like I'm 90 years old

by even thinking. Yeah. All right, Racillo. I feel like I'm 90 years old by even thinking. Yeah, all right, Racillo. My first pick was gonna be opening mail, but I think I think I should change it to excited to open mail. Yeah, that's a good one.

That's a very good one. I wonder what this could be. I wonder who. Because I had a stack of stuff. The stack of stuff. I was not excited, but I was like, look at me opening this shit. Yeah. Another tax refund, maybe.

Yeah. All right. Or bill. All right, PFT. I'm going to take an easy one right off the bat when a player who's younger than you retires from a sport. Mm-hmm. Yes.

That was the moment where I was like- Yeah, LeBron retiring is gonna suck. It's gonna ruin my world, yeah. Shit, LeBron. Steve. LeBron running out of gas against Denver was already like a next triggered next central crisis for me. Like watching him be too old to finish.

Yeah. It's just for two. It'll be fine. The, the, the, the, the cousin of that is like looking up ages of like Barry bonds is 58 years old Like fuck are you serious like what how's Barry bonds gonna be 60 suit? That makes no sense That sucks. Um, that's good. Yeah like Van Gundy was like 34 when he got the next job And I'm like Jesus All right, mine mine's an easy first one too, and it actually starting to happen to me I I still. All right, mine's an easy first one too, and it actually started to happen to me.

I have had to ask people to turn down the music at bars or actually, Stanford Steve could back this up. We're at an Army Navy tailgate, and I literally couldn't hear what other people were saying. I had to tell DJ, can you just turn it down a little bit? And I was like, holy fuck, this is brutal. But it happened and it sucks it's brutal Have you guys had to do it? I've not had to do I've wanted to do I'd leave before I just leave

I got to a point where it's like I can't hear I have to ask them to turn it down PFC when we were when we were in Scottsdale We went to the bar still bar after the dozen ago. Yeah. And we talked about the day after, but I, I, I, grandpa Simpson that shit, we walked right in the, but the music was so loud. I just started walking right back out. Yeah. Yeah.

The first moment where you're like, fuck, this music is loud, it's just so loud. I went upstairs, I looked at the table, I was like, well, I'm not going to be able to hear anybody. They're not going to be able to hear me talk. What's the upside to me staying in this club right now? Yes, yes. Yeah, and then I say to myself, why would the bar still bar do this? Like, this is fucking miserable, no one enjoys this.

And I look, and there's a line around the block of people waiting to get in, and I was like, yeah. All right, I guess it's a me problem. I guess it's a me problem. And the other one is, because working at Barstool were with a lot of younger people, just names of actors or actresses and like TikTok stars. And you're like, that person's been around for five years

and it literally is a blank, like a complete blank. There was one, Dave was telling me something about, what's the Miami girl, Alex, Alex Ren. She's an Alex Ren. Alex Earl, they told me about her. I think we're in Houston. And I was like, I've never heard that name in my life. And then they're like, how have you not?

She has like 35 million followers. And I was like, fuck. Yeah. But then the other part of that is, because when you're in the transition part of feeling old, you're like, shit, how do I not know that? And then you wanna figure it out.

But when you're truly old is when you hear that and you're struggling with your shoulders and you're like, I don't give a shit, I'm not gonna, like, I don't, not only do I not know what she is, I don't care moving forward, I don't even care to look into it. This one you should look into.

I'm not being cool. I'll just say that. I did look into this one and I don't even care to like look into it. This one you should look into. I'm not being cool. I'll just say that. I did look into this one and I do follow around all platforms. You're a fan of work. Drop her along. Let her know you're a fan. Yeah, that's a huge life. That's a huge age for life.

Dude, I side tangent, but Glenny Balls has a great show at Parstool Sports called Only Stands. So sometimes he has only fans models. side to put uh... glenny balls has a great show at barstool sports called uh... only stands so sometimes he has only fans models sometimes he has porn stars i did go up to one of the porn stars and i was like i'm a big fan of your work and i never felt like a bigger loser in my entire life but also she like that and i was like that rocked uh... i don't know if this one counts as the same as what Big Cat just said.

You can vote me down if it does. Just watching any award show doesn't matter what award show it is if it's the MTV the VMAs if it's the Grammys, especially the Grammys. I feel like that's the bad one. The Oscars is one I can still watch and be like, okay, I know because most of those people are so old anyways, but watching the Grammys, that will be mine. Yeah, because I have zero idea who any of those people are so old anyways. But watching the Grammys, that will be mine. Yeah, because I have zero idea who any of these people are. Yes, yes.

Plays in well, good transition. So I'm up here. Yep, yep. You just ruined the transition. The weird thing is, you could also just look at your grammar. I wrote down in our categories, Titus, R-R-P-F-T, and then Big Cat said me, and I wrote me. That's not a great sign.

It's actually Big Cat. I wrote me. I'm like, wait did I just go? I'm gonna say anytime you start a question with, did you know that in World War II, dot, dot, dot. Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah.

Reading a ton of nonfiction books on a beach. Yeah. That's, yeah. That's definitely happened. I was reading Hit Learn Stalin. It's a book about Hit Learn Stalin on the beach in Cabo. And everybody around me was reading like some romance novel or like the latest mystery novel.

And I'm like, I'm very old looking around here. I'm very interested in what happened on board the submarine. We were so... I'm in that part one of the African occupation. There were patents just telling guys if I see you walking back towards camp, I'm going to shoot you. And like, it's awesome. But when we went to see Shae,

I was going to say, and he's like, you know, my dad's not a real conservative but he's like, honest way. He's reading not a real conservative, but he's like, on his way, he's reading a lot of military fiction, or a lot of military fiction. And big cats like elbowing the shit out of me, like, you're such a conservative, you're such a conservative.

He was talking directly to Risselli's like, yeah, I'm not Republican, but I am getting into history. Yeah. Like, I don't want, I don't want society to just abandon the people that need to help the most, but I'm in the middle of this Vietnam book. It's like a filler. Where is World War One fit into this in terms of like old people's interest? Like, if you're interested in World War One more so than two, does that mean you're an

older? I think two is the gateway to one. Two, yeah. Two is the gateway drug. Two is like a basic bitch to mystery move Yeah, it's like everybody at some point gets into World War two It's good. It's gonna happen to you if it hasn't already and then the people that really lean into that that are like Well, I want to learn more about World War two are there more world Wars? Yeah, well, no

The reason people learn about world war one is because they want to know more about World War two Yeah, I started doing hard drugs. Let's like how that happens. Yeah, how did this guy start doing hard drugs? Let's see his days when he was smoking weed. That's a great thing. Yeah. No, I love that you guys are bringing this up because I eventually was like, alright, I'm really lean in my World War One years. Let me get some of the build up.

Like, sometimes I read about the wars and then I'll be like, I want to prequel it. You know, not to say that two was Godfather Two and one is Godfather one, even though most of us like two better. But I remember like the first time reading about the buildup of one, and I was like, man, Germany's get some really flimsy art. They were like, why does everyone love French culture so much more than ours? Like how long do you have?

Also the ending of World War II was better. They found a way to tie that one up very neatly at the end. The first one went a lot of hanging plot points. Right. Can you imagine if they just did one World War I? That should have been their first cue was like this, maybe this war wasn't ending correctly because we called it World War I. All right. You're on. The other thing too, the other thing I found interesting about World War Two. All right, yours too. Is that Stalin, Stalin was very upset because the losses on the Eastern Front were monumental

compared to the Allied troops. And so then when Hollywood started making movies after the end of World War Two, Stalin and Russians were offended that they felt like they were afterthoughts in the story. It's like, wait, so you thought these movies in Hollywood were gonna end with a bunch of guys with Russian names and accents as the heroes of movies in the late 40s and early 50s? Like, come on, dude, that's not how L.A. Warwick's- And when we do, we're gonna have Jude Law play the man character and he's gonna speak English. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, god damn.

All right, time to shift to. I got to. All right, my second one is watching a game and having very, very strong opinions on the jersey. Yeah. That's my five five five. Not even, not even, mine is less like whether the jerseys are cool and more about the colors.

Like, we're recording this right after game one and then be a finals And the moment the game was tipped off and the heater wearing their dark red and the nuggets are wearing their dark blue I was just like I can't wait. Yes, somewhat someone needs to be wearing white. Yes, and that I feel like that is This is something I can point about all the time and everybody looks at me like a 100 years old But I swear to God. I'm right that this isn't saying I can play about the same shit I mba has completely ruined their ruined their jersey setups. It's ridiculous. Yeah, there was that game Yeah, like two years ago where the heat we're basically wearing the Pacer's uniforms in a playoff game And I was like what the fuck is going on?

This is bad, but they're called like just literally it hurts my eyes to watch to dark color or to like I need one light one dark Make it, make it. All right, next pick. It's always the other. Moving on. My third one is buying two of something because you like it so much. And you only need two.

You just buy one. I do a shoes all the time. Yeah, I do. Yeah, shoes. You buy two pairs because you're like, if this wears out, I want to have another one to use. And I don't trust that the same model in three years. Like, they're going to tweak it.

So it's not going to be the exact fit like I like. So I'm just going to go ahead and buy two. So that way, once time to exchange, I don't have to go buy a new one and take a chance that it's the same. Yes. Yes. So.

OK. That's a new one and take a chance that it's the same. Yes, so. Okay, that's a great one. Racilla. Seeing IG videos and then texting them to your friends threats. I don't think that's that old. I do. When I do it with you and Chris Long and I don't get any feedback, I'm like,

oh, you're getting fucking old. I said, I'm a bad video. What are you supposed to do? Like not sure. I think when you get older, you're like, oh my God, that was funny. Have these guys seen it? Let me share it with them. And because I'm older than you guys, it gets my, I'm like, oh, not much, not much reaction of that. Must have seen those guys. Do you add, do you add context?

No, no, no, no commentary or you just send the link cuz that can be confusing He'll send the link and it won't be a follow-up so I won't know like which vibe are we going for here? Yeah, right. Oh, do we think it was cool? So you're you think I'm so cool that you don't want to bum me out by saying the wrong I don't want I don't want it That's awesome. Yeah, I don't want to change the vibe where you're like if it's like a hey, that's great This guy's an idiot like that yeah, right what if for slow things this guy's cool and I see it lay out This is the coolest this is the coolest I felt literally in

PFT. All right, mine's very specific to me in particular, but when I heard Creed on a classic rock channel, I lost my shit. I was like, no, I'm 13. I'm 13. This song is popular. This is Arms Wide Open. This is a banger.

This is mainstream. This is modern rock. Do not put this on classic rock 94.7. That's not where this belongs. It belongs on DC 101 not classic rock and then I also heard Dave Matthews band on classic rock. Oh That's that sucks to think about let's turn the music We can do that thing with time where we're like, we are like Dave Matthews band crash came out probably 1995, so about 18 years ago, we're as far removed as crash by Dave Matthews band, as when we were growing up,

we were from like stairway to heaven by Led Zeppelin. Yeah, like 1983 is closer to World War II than it is today. Fuck time, man. Yeah, I love when people thought that was super interesting, though, like today is closer to, and you're like, yeah, now we got it. Yeah, yeah.

I think we should all start doing stuff like that didn't happen where it's like, I love you, man, came out 30 years ago today. You're like, wait, holy shit, time's flying. All right, my last two, about 30 years ago today. You're like, wait, holy shit. Time's flying. All right, my last two, my next pick is gonna be getting actually upset when a game doesn't tip off when it says it's gonna tip off.

I used to joke about it, but now it's like, if it says like 8.30 and they tip off at 8.43. I'm like what the fuck? Why did you fucking tell like that another 13 minutes that I'm not gonna be in bed like this is bullshit Don't fucking tell me 8.30 and then tip off at 8.43 and I know it's very stupid to get mad about it But I get mad about it Yeah, especially when it's those very specific times. That's how that'll fuck you up. It's like, yeah, you said you promised.

It's 8.37 for a reason. Honestly, just having an opinion on the time that games tip off is a sign of goal. Yes. And, oh, yeah. No matter, literally any opinion. We're like, why would they tip it off at this time when this is, don't they know that this, this, this, this, this.

Are like, yeah, there was a NHL during game seven of, or maybe I can't remember, but it was like, the NHL should have played their game in the afternoon. I'm like, why the fuck didn't they play in the afternoon? Like, why, why did they do this? And then the last one, this might be more of a dead thing, but I, I, if you put me on a couch, I can nap like almost instantly for 10 minutes, 15 minutes. Like, if I'm, if I'm, on a couch, I can nap almost instantly.

For 10 minutes, 15 minutes, if I'm basically seated or in any comfortable position, and I'm a little bit tired, it's lights out so fast. And I feel like growing up, you see your dad be able to do that and you're like, what the fuck? Why is he napping? It's four o'clock in the afternoon. Why is he taking a 10 minute nap? And now I've gotten to that point and it's like fuck that is me

Yeah, yeah My last one yeah Getting actually pissed off during a basketball game that they don't call caring anymore Calling players doing like pointing at the TV and saying that's a carry. Yeah. That's a carry. That was a moment for me where it's like I am I'm my dad. Yeah. I remember how mad he got when when Alan Iverson was playing. Yeah. It's like these are illegal. These are all illegal moves that he's making right now. The cousin of that one is like I actually do get mad when a player like could lay it up

and they dunk instead and miss and I'm like fucking lay up counts as to bro like what are you doing go high glass players use the glass more if the if the baseball Hall of Fame voters voted on the NBA Hall of Fame James Harden would not make up because he's well his step back to the level is still voted on it he wouldn't make it his step back so they'd be like his stepbacks are travels and the foul bait, all that stuff. He's not, yeah. All right, we're still your last pick. Okay, it's kind of, it's the same thing, but it's maybe different.

It's getting horny at Jim slash the older, less filtered cousin going to Jim to get horny. I think it's my older version of the first. Because when I met the gym and granted, you know, there's times, especially like where I live, you're like, holy shit, but I'm there for my reps, all right. I'm there to put the work in. But there's a few times you're like, oh my god, like look at her. But then there's that next level of guy who's like, hey, do you see her? You're like, yeah, I fucking saw her. She's gorgeous and everybody can see her It's like fucking a bro and then he's weird and then the next version is like the guy

It made Ben is day off and he's just kicking some cardio around and he goes only to look at women And that's that's a level. I don't know that I'll ever get to who knows maybe it will be that's gonna be you do They got like three rows of treadmills and that guy goes to the back row every single time Absolutely, yeah All right last pit. It's good my my last one is Staring at the horizon at the beach you're at the beach and you're standing there and you're just looking off in the horizon This is something I noticed when I go to the beach Dudes in their 20s are playing spikeball and they're fucking throwing the football around

And then you'll just see like an old dude who's got his hands on his hips and he's just looking off in the horizon Also the if you ever caught yourself being like you got to come check out this sunset Right there where you like And they can't just turn around and look at the early time walking walking. You should all be outside right now. Yeah, no, my mom's a big like come check out this sunset. It's incredible. It's like what does set every day. I feel like if you're younger and you do this, it's a cry for help because you're like going through some shit and you want to like just go to the beach and stare and into the distance

But older dudes it's just like a regular part of life like every time I go to the beach I see the same guy I started I got the point I was watching the old men watching the horizon. I'm like what the fuck does this guy know like he looks like he's He's solving our our Greta see I think so you know look Whatever dudes are doing to calm so step leg. I think the cool thing like before I start reading I'll go take a deep breath look around a little bit, you know fucking and I'm fine I'm actually fine like I'm going to sit down and just being like fucking soak it in for five minutes before you start cranking away on

The cargo holds you're doing you're doing warm-ups for reading Get into mind ready All right, this has been great my pre workout. Yeah, you guys want to guess a number Sure, okay, let's get numbers. I'll go six nine. I'll go 17. What do you guys want to guess? I was gonna get 17 that's so fucking weird Yeah, I'll do 27. Give me 22. 17 is Hank's number.

20 and what is yours memes? 21! Oh, Max! 22. 21. You guessed 20. Max. 22. Wow. Wow. Alright. Max, you were one away from being first place. I was exciting for a moment. I thought you got it. Yeah. Um, alright. Well, thank you guys. One of you is going to have to have a kid to do another one of these nose game. Yeah. Yeah. We appreciate it. It is Friday and there's no games. These are always our favorite though, so thank you guys. Appreciate it. Yeah, love you guys. I'm a champion for your level I'm a champion for your level I'm a champion for your level

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