Pardon My Take - Magician Criss Angel, Last Dance Review, Draft Recap + Billy Football Is Living The Plot To Spiderman

Episode Date: April 27, 2020

The Last Dance episode 3 and 4 are out and we review it. Rodman's brilliance, MJ's grudge counter, and Phil Jackson the GOAT. (3:10-30:15) NFL Draft recap with some grades, Goodell being a weirdo, plus Jameis Winston to the Saints. (30:16-49:55) Who's back of the week including love being dead for the Cutty/K-Cav split. (49:56-56:15) Magician Criss Angel joins the show to talk about all the incredible stunts he's had in his career, falling in love with magic and illusions, and the Magic Hall of Fame. (58:01-1:39:02) Segments include dumb quarantine ideas (1:40:38-1:52:46) Mt Flushmore of chores (1:52:27-2:05:47) and Deep Dive with Billy Football (2:05:48-2:21:21)You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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He's a magician, he's one of the greatest magicians of all time. Magicians Hall of Fame, which we learned about, is actually a thing. So that's great. We have Mount Fleshmore of Chores, and then Billy Football, our son. I don't know what he's doing now, but it's fucking funny. He's pretty much just living with a bunch of feral cats trying to get them. I think he's trying to live the plot to Spider-Man, but with cats. Well, he's done Billy's Berserkerbunker, and every negative thing that happens to him

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Use code Barstool. You get $10 for free, $10 to the ASPCA. Today is Monday, April 26th, 27th, the Last Dance 3 and 4 review. I'd say my only critique so far is that I wish we had $100 of this documentary because it is so fucking good, and there are so many side stories that I want them to go even deeper on, but man, was it awesome. Yeah, I need there to be, you remember that show 24, there should be back to back seasons of 24 about Dennis Rodman's experience in Las Vegas, where he just takes a vacation

in the middle of the season. He's like, Phil, I was good while Scotty was gone. Now you understand I need to go blow off steam and just get fucking balls to the wall hammered in Vegas. So, so let's do chronological. The thing is, I wish this was like every night and they would split them up because it feels like when you watch two episodes, you know, you leave with whatever was last, but the Dennis Rodman episode, which is episode three was unbelievable.

So we'll start there. I love Dennis Rodman. I've always loved Dennis Rodman. He made Rebounding cool. He made Rebounding like seem like a sexy thing. He was so fucking incredible. That scene, I know there's like a million scenes that will go over, but the scene that I loved the most out of episode three, when he was explaining the art of rebounding and how the

ball would go off and like Larry Bird shot would spin this way and Michael Jordan shot would spin this way. And you're like, holy shit, like this guy spent so many hours trying to figure out exactly where to be and in the right position and he never quit. And the craziest thing about Rodman, he won seven straight rebounding titles. He like most of them weren't even close. So I went back and I looked it up. He had there was a year where he had so he in 92 was when he started winning his seven

in a row. He had 18.7 rebounds a game, which is just insane to begin with, but the second place person at 15.5. The next year, 18.3, Shaq was second with 13.9. So Robin had four over four rebounds more than the second place person in the league. The year after that, 17.3, 13.2 was second, 16.8, 12.5. So he basically not only dominated the league and rebounding for seven straight years. It was on such a elevated level compared to everyone else.

He was just all time. Great. Yeah. If you were to just guess off the top of your head in his best game, how many rebounds do you think Dennis Rodman had? I think he had one where he had like 30, right? He had 34 in 1992, which is an insane amount. And you know, for all the people that are like, you know, Dennis Robins, a weirdo.

That's true. Dennis Rodman should not be a role model. Probably also true. I actually do think that Dennis Rodman is a role model in a weird way in that if you can figure out something that you're the best at, it doesn't matter what weird little niche category it is in life. If there's one thing that you're better than everybody else that are more focused on, steer into that and get really, really good at that and be known as the best to ever do that

and you will be extremely successful. And I mean, so in that, in that last bull season, he had 16 games where he had 20 plus rebounds. I mean, that's just stupid. But he, I think the reason why it all worked was he, like there's legendary stories about Dennis Robin. He would play a full game and then he would be, you know, in the gym lifting for an hour and a half.

And it's not like, oh man, he last first guy in, last guy out, because we all know Dennis Robin partied. We saw that. It was more that he just had a motor that didn't quit. He had like endless energy and you saw it when he's diving into the stands or diving for every loose ball. And then you get the human side, which I don't want to go into because I'm sure every podcast can do like, could you imagine if this happened in 2020, but Dennis Robin in 2020 would be

a phenomenal watch because what everyone knows, what everyone's openly talks about with like mental health and all kinds of things like Dennis Robin back then was just a weirdo who was unbelievable rebound. You know what I mean? That was kind of what he was in a party boy. But it's the whole like Phil Jackson letting him take a vacation and we'll get into Phil. But like understanding what you needed out of Dennis Robin and how to pull the right, you know, levers when they need to be pulled was part of the genius of Phil Jackson, part

of the genius of Michael Jordan and part of the genius of Dennis Robin being able to lock it. Yeah. He was definitely not first one in last one out. He was last one in, but also last one out probably. So he was, he was a night owl. He didn't show up to the, to the stadium until like the very, very last minute before games or very, very last minute before practice, but he was, um, he was awesome at what he

did. I liked how Phil gave himself a little bit of credit and was like, you know, I, I recognized in Dennis through my training in Native American spiritual healing that he was unusual. It's like he gives credit to growing up next to a Native American reservation for recognizing the fact that the guy that shows up with pink hair, like no nose rings, ear rings. He's fucking Carmen Electra 30 minutes before a game. The guy that just needs to get out of town and blow off Stephen Vegas. That guy is unusual.

And I owe that to my training as a shaman. Yeah. Yeah. And he, um, you know, there was a famous like when Krause was bringing him in, this is also something to Krause's credit because I know he is the villain and rightfully so, but he, you know, he brought him in. He had him talk to Phil Jackson. He had him apologize to Scotty Pippen and Michael Jordan and make sure that like, okay,

is this what we want to do after they lost to the magic because they didn't have the right size and Dennis Robin fit in perfectly for those last three, you know, both championship runs and it's credit to Jerry Krause for thinking outside the box, being like, okay, I have a guy who's pretty combustible, who could kind of not be a great like locker room guy. So let's, let's, but, but he brings something we do not have and figuring out a way to get it done. Do you think there was a small element of Jerry Krause bringing Dennis Robin in because he

thought that it might blow everything up? Well, no, there's so, so I read a quote before tonight that was very funny. It was, it was the Krause, Rodman, Pippen, MJ, Phil Jackson meeting before they signed Rodman and Krause asked Dennis Rodman, like, why did, why did you not get along with your other GMs and Rodman was like, because they want to be my friend and Krause said, I don't want to be your friend. I'm 56. You're 34.

What the fuck do I need to be your friend for? You're sitting here with green hair and you got earrings up your ass. We have nothing in common. I'll leave you alone. So credit, credit to Jerry Krause. Like that's the kind of things that's from, uh, that's from the Blood on the Horn is a long strange ride of Michael Jordan, Chicago Bulls. That's a book.

And that's like, that is credit to Jerry Krause to being like, Hey, I will leave you alone. I will let you be Dennis Robin and credit to Phil Jackson and be like, you're weird. You're different. We'll let you go to Vegas for 40 hours and bang out Carmen Electra, who by the way, still got it. Pretty good, pretty good. How old is she?

She's got it. 45, 50. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. It's better. It's like her and Julia Louis-Dreyfus look 50 times better now than they did at

that exact same, like 1992, the two of them together. I don't know what's what's happening with modern medicine, but I'm very excited to live in the year 2040. This is this documentary is going to give us the all five, all five, uh, like anti-age team because between BJ Armstrong, MJ's mom and Carmen Electra, we've had three people who were sick, horse grants, a little bit bigger. But yeah, yeah, he's, we'll get to him, but he also looks pretty young too. And they're, they're all in the like, holy shit.

I remember you from the nineties and you still look like this. Yeah. So Carmen Electra. Yeah. I mean, she meant a lot to a lot of people in the nineties. Let's just say that. Yeah, for sure. If I had one bone to pick with this documentary, it so far, at least in the

last two episodes, it jumped around chronologically a little bit. Like you have to take 30 seconds to, to find your footing sometimes to be like, wait, are we in 1992, 1998, where are we right now? And you just have to like look at who's on the roster to figure that stuff out. Because it does go back and forth to being like, okay, this is the last dance. Oh wait, they're playing against the Lakers in the finals. Can I, I also have one take that's been burned me up for a couple of years. I don't think I've ever said it publicly.

Um, the layup that Michael Jordan had in the finals against the Lakers where he jumps in the air and switches hands, completely unnecessary to do that. It's a cool looking highlight. He didn't need to do that. He could just, he could have just done a finger roll with his right hand. And he switched to his left hand because it looked, it looked cool. And his credit ended up being one of the greatest looking plays and in history, totally unnecessary that my dad gave me that take a while ago.

And I'm going to carry on his tradition and bear that torch for him. Speaking of iconic moments, the, the shot against Elo, who Ron Harper, I love him. Like there's something about this. I think what this documentary has done better than any other documentary is like, maybe it's just the swears, but it feels like everyone's being very, very honest because enough time has passed where it's like, who cares? It's, you know, 20, 30 years ago. And all these like old grudges are still there and you can see them and they're

fantastic to see on everyone's face. But Ron Harper being like, yeah, fuck Craig. Elo, like why the hell do we have him on MJ? But Elo collapsing, like dying in a heap after MJ shot, I think takes that shot from all time to iconic because if you Google Craig, Elo, he played for 15 years in the NBA and all you see is him just crumpled down on the ground. And then how about the reporter getting that interview? Yeah, that interview right after was all time.

MJ just being like, fuck all you haters, which, you know, there's something something raw to it that it's just and I don't want to do the like, oh, man, the NBA soft now because I don't think the NBA soft now. But there was something about like seeing these stories and seeing this hate that just gets you so pumped up. Yeah, no, it was great. Like seeing how Jordan treated those those piston teams and how the piston teams, their game plan was just like straight up beat the fuck out of

Michael Jordan whenever he's around you. Like that's they were they were public with saying that. So right now, if you were to have a playoff series where a team were to treat LeBron James like that and just beat the shit out of them and then say it publicly, you can better believe that Adam Silver would be on the phone with the referees, putting some some like special rules in for the next game. Hey, watch this guy, watch this guy. It would be like national news.

It'd be a big story. But back then it was like, hey, yeah, that's just the way that this game is. You're allowed to beat the shit out of somebody. Did you see the clip I posted of when Bill M. Beer and the 89 that I don't know why they didn't put it in there. But Bill M. Beer elbowed Scottie Pippen and knocked him out of Game Six and 89. And Joey Crawford literally was pulling him off the court, like dragging him out.

How he Pippen was dead on the ground. And Joey Crawford grabbed him by the legs so the play could keep going on. The rest didn't give a fuck either. It was crazy. I so I kind of I like that. But I would never want to actually play in that sport. No, no, and to watch. So so the old grudges, we have we had four.

I feel like this should be a counter that we do every single Monday while this documentary goes like who did who did MJ? Like crush in in the course of the documentary. So we had four by my count. One was somewhat harmless, but the Bill Cartwright when he was talking about the triangle offense and basically was like, you know, everyone was going to touch the ball and but I don't want Bill Cartwright touching the ball with five seconds left on the clock.

And I think MJ's quote was something like it's supposed to be equal opportunity, but that's just fucking bullshit. So that was great. Bill Cartwright sitting there with his family being like, yeah, I played with MJ. Uh huh. Just be like, it breaks a shot with with one second left of the shot clock. At the end, who was he talking to on the airplane when he was like this guy's an alcoholic, Scottie Barrow.

Yeah, Scottie Barrow. Yeah, your mom and dad are watching this. Guess what? Your son's an alcoholic. If you're dating Scottie Barrow, he's cheating on you because he stays late at night and the way that he was saying it, like it sounded funny, but at the time, like, yeah, he's kind of a dickhead. Oh, I'm sure we'll get some more MJ Scottie Barrow, but it was a famous relationship of MJ just basically wearing him down mentally, like in pushing

him, pushing and pushing him. I wonder if Scottie Barrow got a text from whoever he was dating in that, you know, in 98, be like, yo, what was that? Like, was that okay? Now that makes sense. Was I the only one that noticed that in, in like the late 90s, everyone looked like they were 42. It didn't matter if you were 25 years old or like 60 years old.

Everyone was 42. Also, just watching them like arrive to the airplane in those in regular like 15 passenger vans that we would be in, like what is going on? This is an NBA team. So those were two. And then the other two were Scotty Pippen for the migraine game. MJ is still bullshit about that. He does hilarious that hilarious.

He, dude, he doesn't believe it to the point that if you've ever read Jordan rules, it's a great book. Everyone should read it if they, if they're interested in this stuff. He joked in it about Scotty's headaches. He called him headaches and he basically just clowned on him for the headaches. And you can tell, even though he won six championships with this guy, he's like, yeah, fuck that. Scotty's weak.

Yeah, he's like, he had, I guess, a migraine, I have to say or whatever, which, which I'm told is a real thing. He did. Michael Jordan definitely does not believe that migraine is a real medical issue right now. He thinks that if you have a migraine, you're a pussy. And the bulls got smoked in that game. So, but it's that like, I honestly think the MJ Pippen relationship is so

fascinating because I know that Michael Jordan knows like deep down that Scotty Pippen was an all time player and he needed them every bit for all these championships, but he has that one, the migraine game. And of course, the famous didn't come in for, for the Cuckoo shot when MJ was playing baseball. And I think there's a part of Michael Jordan who will always look at Scotty and be like, when the chips are down, you're just weak. Like I can carry you, but you won't, you won't do it.

I think what we saw with the second episode tonight where they ended up, you know, getting over that hump and winning the NBA title. Jordan only realized the value of teamwork when he realized that teamwork could make him look better. You know, so like now he'll say like, yeah, we got to do certain things in a team oriented way, but really to drive that home and through into his own head, he had to realize that teamwork selfishly would make him a better player too.

Yes. Although that one was a little weird because I'm pretty sure, and I'm going to look it up right now, but I'm pretty sure Michael Jordan averaged 11 assists in that, in that Laker series. So to be like, Oh, he just learned how to pass in the fourth quarter of John Paxson against the Lakers. Like that seems a little, you had to frame it in a certain way, but, but he definitely, he definitely did become more of a team player as his career

went on. And the only reason that he became more of a team player was because he realized that he could have a bigger legacy and be a greater player if he wasn't so selfish all the time. Absolutely. And I mean, the, the fascinating part, this is what I meant by like, I wish there was a million documentaries because Tex winner, who's an all time basketball mind, you know, having the triangle offense kind of revolutionized

and, and how Doug Collins, like that's like Doug Collins didn't want to run the triangle offense. Okay, you're gone. And Jerry Krause to Jerry Krause's credit, he, he also is a grudge guy. He didn't go to MJ's Hall of Fame induction because Tex winner wasn't inducted in the Hall of Fame yet. That's why he didn't go, but that was why he, he said, he steadfastly was like, I will not step into the basketball Hall of Fame until Tex winner is in there.

So he's a grudge guy. So, so the last grudge I had, and it's the best by far, Michael Jordan has never hated anyone as much as he hates Isaiah Thomas and it's fucking awesome to watch how much he still holds on to it to this day when he was like, when, when, when, when the director is showing him the, the, the video of Isaiah's excuse for walking off the court and MJ's like, whatever he says, he's an asshole, like he's an asshole. I know what happened.

He's gonna change it. Yeah. I know what happened. I remember being there. I don't, no matter what he says in retrospect, he just didn't shake my hand because he's a dickhead. And that's, I mean, he actually nailed Isaiah Thomas. Isaiah Thomas is a world-class prick.

I don't think that you'll find too many people getting his back on anything. But yeah, he is going back through history and changing things up to make himself look better. Yeah. They didn't want to shake their hands, which I mean, I respect the bad boy pistons of that era for being so committed to the bad boy lifestyle that they're like, you know what, we're going to be bitches to the end and we're just going to run off the court and not shake your hand.

That's fine. I like that. Just own it in all time. What if, so Isaiah Thomas was basically has every accolade. He was, I think he won a state championship. He won in Illinois. He won a, he won college, obviously with Indiana. He won the NCAA title.

He won two titles in the NBA. He does not have a gold medal because Michael Jordan said he would not play on the dream team if Isaiah Thomas was on the dream team with, with Isaiah Thomas's coach Chuck Daly. So an all time. What if, if Isaiah Thomas, and it probably wouldn't have changed anything, but if Isaiah Thomas shakes hands and is like, Hey, MJ, like passing the torch, does he get on the dream team?

Cause he was very well deserving. I think he does. I think it's so petty and so awesome. Yeah. I think that Jordan absolutely kept him off the dream team for that reason. If you, if you're doing a spin zone, though, they probably save thousands of lives in Detroit by not shaking hands afterwards and then passing off the flu or whatever to them.

Like I want to actually go back in time and see what Jordan was saying to himself in the mirror during the flu game. I'm sure they'll address the flu game in depth later on in the series. Yeah. Well, it was Jordan as hard on himself as he was on Scotty Pippen. Like, was he like, Jordan, you little, you little bitch ass pussy. Don't stop shitting, Jordan, stop shitting. Well, I, the dream team stuff is going to be fascinating too, because I'm

pretty sure that also is when Jordan realized that Scotty Pippen was incredible because he was like, Holy shit, Scotty Pippen is better than everyone here. But the Isaiah stuff just cracks me up because MJ just his hatred is so goddamn deep for him. And it's it's fantastic to watch because it's like it makes it seem like when, when Kevin Durant or James Harden unfollows his team on Instagram. And we do this league. How about Michael Jordan literally saying Isaiah Thomas is not allowed

on the dream team when he was one of the top 12 players in the NBA? You know what, we're going to roll a question later. You understand. It's like this league, no, this league, that is ultimate this league. I also like how they called Dennis Rodman the fuck up person. Yes, he's the guy that you bring him just to fuck shit up on defense. That's a great description. And you need someone that can just destroy somebody else's game plan.

Yes. He was, he was the ultimate pest and, um, you know, Draymond Green, he was, I think, better than, well, different than Draymond Green, because Draymond obviously has better offense, but like no one can rebound like Dennis Rodman. So Hank, I was, I did get a few tweets. People were saying that you were the Dennis Robin of the podcast because he asked for 48 hours off and a vacation. Uh, would you like to ask for 48 hours off?

Cause we can give you the next 48 hours off. Wait, no, we can give you the next 40 hours off. Sure. Yeah. I mean, if seeing what it did for him, I think that could be a big, a big help. And I think hopefully like, hopefully Phil Jackson's, uh, like demeanor towards the whole situation opened up your guy's eyes to the, the values of vacations and time off.

Yeah. For sure. Now it clears something up for me because when they went to go get Dennis Rodman after the 48 hours, when he wasn't back in time, Jordan went to his apartment in Chicago to get him out, like out of bed, right? He didn't go to Vegas. That was vague. Yeah.

Although it seemed like they were on the road. So I couldn't quite figure out the timeline there if he had come back. It seemed like he came back. Also just love how Robin just, it's so weird watching, uh, uh, pro professional basketball player like now, obviously then it was totally normal because it was Dennis Robin, but just walk out of a game with a Miller light in their hand and a beer in their hand and just be like, I'm just, I'm hanging out and get on a motorcycle and get on a motorcycle without a helmet and then sped off.

And they're like, that's classic Rodman in some Chuck Taylor's too. Yeah. Yeah. What's going on right now? He drives his motorcycle into like a stop sign and Phil Jackson's like, I knew the one time I took peyote, uh, out in the high desert that this meant he was unusual. We should mention Phil, uh, I feel like this did some just deserve because, you

know, sometimes people will say Phil Jackson's overrated, which is kind of ridiculous, just a sports argument to make it because he obviously had MJ and Scotty and then had Kobe and Shaq and then Kobe and Powell. But, uh, what keeping these guys together. That's always been my biggest argument for Phil Jackson is how many times do you see, uh, teams win or not even teams win, but like a bunch of different personalities and trying to get them all on the same page. And he's clearly the master of that and figuring out a way to tap into every

single guy and figure out exactly how every guy like works and what makes them tick and getting the most out of them. So that I feel like this entire episode or two episodes in a row vindicated Phil, which he didn't need it, but there is that lazy argument that he is overrated because he had such great talent. It's definitely easier to be a coach on a team like that and win a championship, but it's extremely hard to be a coach on a team like that and put together seven consecutive seasons of like no let downs whatsoever.

You know, that's tough to do when you have all these great players and the fact that they had Jordan, Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman the entire time playing as probably three out of the top 10 defenders in the league for that entire time span. Like that shows you how hard they were working all the time. That's almost impossible to do. It's also crazy just to say Phil Jackson has been part of 13 championship teams in the NBA.

That's insane. Two with the net, six with the bowls, five with the Lakers. Yeah. Am I recounting that right? Yeah, I am. That's insane. So again, it's a stupid argument that people sometimes make it. I always find it silly, but it was great seeing Phil starting as a coach at the very,

very bottom, been like, holy shit. What was the story about the mayor shooting a ref? Oh, he was in Puerto Rico. And in one of their games, the mayor was pissed at the ref. So he shot him. To be fair, he shot him in the lower leg. So it's not like he almost killed him or whatever. And so the punishment was you can't go to any more home games that year.

Yes. Away games. That's fine. Yeah. Phil Jackson is an awesome coach. And I'm glad that he is getting a little bit of credit here. Yeah. Because especially because he did kind of hurt his legacy with everything with the

Knicks and he became a little bit of a joke the last few years. I think he's just catching that paycheck. Yeah. No, he was catching that paycheck, but it going back in time here and just seeing all this stuff, you forget how, how quickly like recency bias takes over for everything. You know what I mean? And so I'm sure there's people who are like Phil Jackson. Oh yeah.

He ruined the Knicks, even though the Knicks have been ruined for a long time. I have a confession to make. I don't understand what a triangle offense is. Maybe it's like the most easy thing to explain possible. I don't know what it, to me, it's just, it might as well be magic. Well, I mean, they did a decent job of explaining it, but it's basically setting it up on one side of the court so everyone gets touches and then you can move off of that. Like you got three, take a talk in Spanish football, soccer.

Yeah, it's touching in and out and everyone getting different looks and then, and then you know, swinging the ball. I mean, it's, it would be interesting to see if teams, you know, like if LeBron ran it, what it would look like. I don't know if he's ever been in, I mean, he's probably run principles of it. That's the thing is like, there's probably principles of it in a lot of things, but it would be interesting to watch him run like true triangle offense and just dominate people. There's something nice about LeBron.

Do you think that basketball players in the early nineties and late eighties got sweatier faster than they do now? Yeah, because I think there was just not as good of air conditioning ever. And deodorant technology hadn't had an evolved and fabric thing about fabric. Yeah, they're probably wearing heavy, heavy cotton shirts. Yeah, yeah, it's bad. Gilden. The only last thing I had was Horace Grant had the line of the night when he said the

Pistons walking off the court in the bull's sweep of the Pistons. He called them straight up bitches while wearing an NBA Cares polo. And that was fantastic. I love it. I love that. So far, that's the quote of the entire series so far. Yes. That and the Ron Harper one from earlier in the night.

Yes. What's Ron Harper doing these days? Does he have braces? Basketball coach. I don't know what he was doing. Does he have back? Yeah, he, well, in all these guys, I don't think Ron Harper's. I mean, obviously, Horace Grant's nephew, Jerry and Grant played for the bulls a little bit.

Scotty Pippin's son is in college. I'm trying to think there's another one. I think Dennis Robbins kid might be in there. Like all these guys have kids now they're in college. So it again, it feels like it was the right time to do this because enough time is passed where everyone can speak very freely. Like you couldn't imagine this 10 years after this all happened because a lot of these guys were still, you know, either in the league circles or whatever they might be doing right now.

It's like everything's kind of in the past, distant past. We can speak freely. We can say fuck. And it's awesome. Mike Wilbon saying fuck felt like I was I was watching something I shouldn't be watching. That that like hit me different hearing him just dropping his left palm. I also enjoy watching Michael Jordan on the screen and then noticing in the background how high that that glass of liquor that he has is because it'll tell you what kind

of quote you're about to get from if you're going to get to like there's a me and team or there's an I and win or whatever that quote was. That's as it gets a little bit lower and as his eyes get like a little bit more yellow. I don't know what's up with his eyes. He might have some sort of kidney or liver thing going on. I think he likes to drink. I think he likes to drink a lot. That's fine.

Same. I think he likes to drink a lot. Cautionary tale. Yeah, be careful kids. If you drink too much, you might end up like Mike. No, hey, careful kids. If you are addicted to winning at everything, someday you're going to have to become the best drinker.

True. Yeah. And there you go. Okay, let's talk some draft. The draft finished rounds two and three on Friday rounds four through seven Saturday. I think the biggest story that we have to start with besides the teams itself is Friday night when Roger Goodell decided to either take Molly or was it an edible or just got way too drunk. But it was it was basically an SNL skit where we watched someone try to learn how to have a

personality through the course of the night. When he went to his comfortable chair that wasn't comfortable at all. When he was like basically laying down in front of us. When he was hugging the screens because he was rolling on Molly. When he was screwing up words left and right. The whole thing, I couldn't take my eyes off it and I loved it. Not because it made him look human, but the opposite. It was great to watch a robot try to be human and convince us that he knew like human emotions.

When he was like, everyone out there has asked me, Roger, how far down in that M&M jar are you? And then he pulls out the M&M jar. He's like, look, I've eaten several M&Ms. I'm a normal person just like you. I have kind of a sweet tooth. I'm going to disagree with you about the chair though. That chair looked very comfortable. It looked like a rich person's idea of a comfortable chair.

But once you get a good ass groove going into one of those seats, it actually is pretty nice. So I'll give him that. It was funny watching him kind of sink lower and lower. I think he was just drunk on one. I am a little bit concerned about our commission. And he is your commission too. You have to respect the office. I think that, I don't think that Roger Goodell has any friends.

I don't think that a person with that personality. Yeah. Why is this a new news breaking? Because usually when you're that rich, you have at least some people that'll hang out with you. And like, oh, he's got that. No, he has that. I don't even think that he does. I think he has like business partners that he sees occasionally like the owners.

But just like going off his personality, I don't, I would have volunteered to be his friend because I feel bad for him. I feel like he, he is the biggest nerd in the entire world with zero personality. Like Jason Witton, and if you hit him in the head with a frying pan, like I feel bad for Roger Goodell. It's almost like pity for me. That's soft. That's soft.

I want to, I want to she's all that Roger Goodell and like mess up his hair and turn him into the hot chick. You feel bad for the next $40 million a year. Yeah. $40 million a year. And his way of being relatable is, is eating M&Ms and sitting in his chair. While it might have looked comfortable, he wasn't sitting comfortably in it. He was sitting upright being like, look at me. Now I'm in my comfortable chair humans. So I $40 million a year still doesn't buy a bros.

He would trade it all for some homies. I loved, I loved this trap just because it was so different. And because we got to watch Roger Goodell the entire night, it was actually fascinating to watch. It kept me tuned in because you know how the draft goes where the first round is very interesting because it's everyone you've seen and known and watched. And then the second round a little bit the same where it's like guys that you household names, so to speak.

Then they get to the third round and third round on. It's like just the, it's rapid fire. They're never caught up. They're trying to interview people and teams are picking like picks and then like six picks later. They're, they're talking about the guy that was picked. So it just becomes chaos. But for some reason, like Friday night, it was just, it was fireside chats with Raj, just sitting there, welcoming us into a, you know, welcoming,

he welcomed us into his home and we sat there and we tried to speak to him like human beings. And we didn't get anywhere, but it was at least somewhat entertaining to almost like an alien showing up to your draft and being like, Hey guys, let's, let's see if we can find common ground here. M&M's. You know those, you know, there's like fake posts on Twitter about like somebody that sits down and makes a computer watch every episode of Parks and Rec. And then it comes up with a script like for a new pilot from it. That's like what Roger Dell was like.

It's like if aliens watched what a rich person acted like trying to relate to young people and then recorded that and then spat out three nights worth of content, you get what Roger was doing. He, I'm also thinking that might not have actually been his house because that place looked a little too lived in to be, I feel like he just lives in a like a padded cell and Jerry Jones has his key and lets him out every morning for breakfast. I don't think that Roger Goodell is cool enough to have six TVs, all that wood grain, those nice leather couches.

Something struck me as being like a little too on the nose. So I'm staying woke on that. I do think though that the format of this draft was, was much better. I think then it's, I don't know that they can go back to the old format of drafting because this was so much cooler seeing the prospects in their living room, having it like bounce all over the place, not one formal soundstage anywhere. It's pretty sweet. It's, if they can do a blend, if they could do a hybrid, it would be perfect.

I would want the first round live with people in, you know, the drafties in, in the spot because the green room thing's always great. If a guy slides, I also always love the booing fans and, and the people like the super fans that go to drafts are a special breed of NFL fans that we need to give them their front and center moment where they can be in a city dressed to the nines in the middle of April, screaming and yelling at a 22 year old that they probably didn't even watch any tape on. So that needs to keep happening, but I agree with you. Like if we could do rounds four through seven where everyone is remote and you can see into

the room, like living rooms of all the coaches and GMs, that was fascinating. I found myself being interested, you know, seeing what these digital war rooms look like and seeing what everyone's setup is. So I thought the draft did a great job. And it also again made us feel normal for a few days in a row. We're like, Hey, there's something new that's happening on TV and we can actually tune in here. Yeah, I was also a big fan of Bill Belichick's dog. That really got Friday night going big time.

And I think we have to call him Jack, right? Because Bill wanted to call him Jack. He's very clear on that. I guess Linda really pressed for Nike. But every time she calls him Nike, Bill is like, just for the record, I wanted the same to be Jack. So he is now Jack in my eyes. But that one picture of the dog sitting at the at the table and saying like, head coach Bill Belichick, New England Patriots, that was worth it.

That was that was worth this whole quarantine that for that one instant during the draft. Okay, so draft grades always funny because they're never right. And I like to look at all of them from from the draft grades that I've seen. It looks like everyone loves what the Ravens did. It looks like people kind of like what the Cowboys did. Maybe the Broncos as well, getting a lot of help on offense. And then the big loser would be the Green Bay Packers who took Jordan Love in the first round and then took a running back in the second and a tight end who I think they're going to convert

to a fullback in the third, basically just going redundant on positions to not help Aaron Rodgers. And then we had Matt LaFleur say afterwards, I know Aaron is going to be a great mentor, which is the least believable quote that's ever been said. You don't know that. You know that he's a great he seems like a great teacher, like a great person to learn behind someone who's not threatened at all by by young buck coming into town. Now it's Green Bay was weird.

The Vikings had an interesting draft because they just got everybody. I think the Vikings had like 13 people that they drafted. And that's the old like extreme coupon or version of drafting that Belichick does that Zimmer started doing now where it's like, oh, why spend a first round pick on somebody when you get six fifth round picks that are made of the exact same ingredients for less money. And yes, absolutely. And then in full disclosure or full transparency, I did bash the Packers drafted and the Bears then went and drafted their 11th tight end.

Matt Nagy to that room that he's in was the ultimate try hard room where he had just the plate. Like if it was just one wall of play cards and everything, it'd be like, okay, that's that's kind of cool. But then you zoom out and it's just the weirdest room ever that he just really wants you to know that he's a football coach. And the tight ends. The only thing I can think of is Ryan Pace is essentially what he's doing is being that asshole in your fantasy draft who drafts the third quarterback before anyone has drafted one

and then just makes everyone trade with you. Like later on in the season when injuries happen. So I think his strategy is if we have 11 tight ends, eventually someone's going to get a hurt tight end and then we will have all the tight ends and you'll be forced to trade with the Bears. Yeah, he's cornered the market. He's hoarding tight ends. So he's like that dude in Kentucky or whatever that had all that hand sanitizer and was trying to charge people $2,000.

Yeah, he's right though. Like if there is an injury to one of the premier tight ends in the NFL, they're going to have to pony up like a first and a second round pick, but it is funny that they have 11 tight ends on the line. I mean, they're not going to have, obviously they're going to probably only have two or three when they come to, you know, the start of the season, but it's just an absurd thing. I think it might be 10 now, but you know, all the jokes were happening, which is of course because the Bears are a joke and people being like, you know, the CDs, according to CDC guidelines

that the Bears tight ends can't be in the same room together, things like that. So it, uh, yeah, I mean, you know, anytime you can laugh at yourself, you got to do it. I would say that the cornerback they took, I had him as a first round grade. So there we go. That's all you have to say, by the way, if you want to convince yourself that your draft is good, just say the person your team picks is, Oh, well, I, one of my mock drafts, I had him as a first round grade. So that's tremendous value when you pick them up in the sixth round.

Yeah, or you can say like, we actually were split whether or not to take him with our fourth round pick. And we, the fact that we got him with a six round, we got two fourth routers for him. So that's, yeah, that's pretty good. I like the way you said about the Ravens, because I feel like we go through this every year with the Ravens draft picks, something about that defense, just like the Mystique and Oro, that defense, if they just draft a good linebacker every year, people are like, ah, God damn it, the Ravens defense won this draft again.

But Patrick Queen is awesome and he's going to be a very, very good fit there. But I feel like we do have that conversation every year about the Ravens. Like they can't, they have never messed up a draft. Right. And um, J.K. Dobbins is going to be insane in that offense because that's just another thing you have to guard. He's awesome. I actually was shocked.

He kind of slipped a little bit because he is one of those, he's like a perfectly set up for today's NFL where he, you know, he just can't be guarded in space. And now you throw that wrinkle in, I don't know, I'll wait, I'll wait until I can look at them and I'll call them a fraud within the first three weeks. But right now, good job by the Ravens. I'm trying to think what other were the, oh, let's talk about the Eagles. All right. So let's talk about the, but first Jake from real quick, Jake from, if it were NBA rules

and he had to come out of the draft after, if he could come out of the draft after the national championship game, he would have been a top 10 pick. He ends up being the backup in the bills and what the fifth or sixth round and small, not, not a great arm, small hands, but that sucks so bad because I remember after that game being like, I love this Jake from kid. And then he has stayed two more years and never really got better. So that's just what's, what's, what's, what ends up happening. Hank, I know you wanted him on the Patriots because you bought him a thing for years ago.

Of course. I mean that, that national championship game completely influenced me, but I still, I still think the potential is there. I think he's going to be the best quarterback that comes out of this draft. Well, this Hank, what about, what's his name? The guy from Michigan State, Lewinke, especially learning behind someone like Josh Allen, like that's only going to make him better.

Lewinke has the biggest hands out of this year's class. I think they were 10 and five eighths. So he also throws the most hilarious interceptions. Michigan State's offense actually made you want your eyes like you, you, when you watch Michigan State's offense the last two years, you would have preferred to be blind. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he, there were some plays where he actually looked like he was drunk on the field.

It would not shock me if you were like, this guy with the giant hands was carrying around three pints of liquor and drank all of them before the game. So yeah, so the Eagles though, PFT brought it up. Eagles fans, I really do believe in, in the thought process that if Eagles fans hate the draft, that means it's a fantastic draft. And boy, do they hate the Jalen Hertz pick with the second round, which I kind of understand the hatred there because I don't really know if he's a starting quarterback in the NFL. You took them.

It's also very weird because you don't really see quarterbacks get taken in the second round. You either take him in the first round because then you get the extra year, the fifth year option, or you wait and take them as a flyer like this guy's a work in progress. So him just being taken in the second round kind of speaks volumes that you already don't fully believe that he can be this long-term starter because you would have taken him in the first round and then it's too high to take him in the second round when he's going to be a project. But the Eagles fans flipped out and then Shefti covering the Eagles asses a little bit said that it might be because of coronavirus and backup quarterbacks are going to be at a premium

if the starter gets coronavirus, which is the most insane thing I've ever heard. No, no, it's true though. That it's now like changed how the NFL is going to do business. Listen, when one one hundredth of your 30 to 40 year olds come down with a sickness that sidelines them for a week and a half, you have to you have to build that factor into your into your draft value charts. A quarterback like like counting on the fact that your guy might get sick is so funny. I don't know what Shefti was doing, probably just like massaging how his shoulders a little bit like, hey, make sure to give me the scoops in the future. I'll get your back on this

one. But I always got the feeling that Peterson is like following and Sean Payton's footsteps three years after the fact like he respects Sean Payton. He's like, this is a coach with balls. I like his style. If he's doing something, I'm going to maybe try to emulate a little bit. So taking Jalen Hertz to be their Taysum Hill, although Jalen Hertz has only played quarterback like he's I don't think the skill set is similar to Taysum Hills at all. But he sees what they do down in New Orleans. He's like, I want to try to do something like that because having big balls as a coach is cool. Here's here's the spin zone for the Eagles fans. They drafted them solely because his character was off the charts because by all accounts, Jalen Hertz is a great teammate

he handled the two of things very, very well. He had his moment obviously in the SEC championship game where he came in relief. He then was very well liked in Oklahoma. So maybe that's the new like the new hack. That's the new Billy Bean just draft solely on character, not anything to do with what your football team needs right now. If you were a captain on your team draft that person, even if even if your team sucked because it shows that you're the king of the turds with Hertz. So he is the narrative that started to go out right after he got drafted was he actually kind of likes being a backup. He did well as a backup for two. It's like, no, he absolutely does not. But yeah, if you're looking to draft like the best backup

quarterback in terms of not in terms of what they did on the field, but in terms of how their team performed with him as a backup, you could do a lot worse than Jalen Hertz. Yes. And you know, given what we know about the Eagles locker room, he'll probably be the favorite quarterback within a week, right? Yeah. I mean, always, always. They always love Nick Foles. They nick loved Nick Foles more than they, than they loved Carson Wentz as far as we heard. But overall, I liked what the Dolphins did as well. I'm trying to think if anyone else kind of like, you know, jumped out. It's just so funny. All these things are so stupid grading drafts because everyone wants the grade. Everyone wants the instant validation that, Oh my God, my team did it.

But none of these things matter. There's the old, the old Jaguars, the Jaguars had like five years in a row where they got an A plus draft grade. And this was when they weren't doing anything good. Well, no, I mean, the only true A plus grade that they should have got was the Bortles draft. I maintain that that was the correct grade on that grade on that. But there were like four others like where they drafted a running back or something really high. I thought the Redskins did pretty well too. They got Richard Williams finally, even though they could have gotten a first form last year. And the 49ers, that's like, that's huge for them because they're losing their, you know, one of the best left tackles in football and they're getting one

of the best left tackles in football right on top of it. So I like the Redskins strategy, which seems to be, this is what I've been saying for a while is like, if you don't, if you have no idea how to draft, just load up on SEC West players and then mix in Ohio State players every, every now and again, and you'll be just fine. The SEC, the SEC had quite the draft. Ole Miss was the only SEC team that didn't get a player drafted from that roster, which is kind of crazy that every other team in the SEC got a player draft. Listen, that's fine. They had a good draft. They also lost a lot of talent. And they also, they also have players that pretend to take pisses on fields. So that probably,

that screwed up the tape for everybody else. Also true. Also true. All right. And then the other big news that we had, James Winston is going to sign with the Saints and be a backup, which is actually terrible news for us because all we really wanted was James Winston to start football games and now he's going to be a backup for the Saints. I hope that he gets in. I hope that I don't want Drew Brees. I'm not going to wish, wish injury on Drew Brees, but we need James Winston in game situations. Overall, it feels like it took, it's taken the Hall of Fame career of James Winston. It might be a small hiccup. No. Along the road to Canton, but that's okay because guess what? He said that he took less money from someone else who we don't know who that was,

but someone offered him more money and maybe a starting job, but we don't know who it is. And everyone reports everything these days to learn from Sean Payton and be the backup in New Orleans. Listen, this is, have you ever seen a Kung Fu movie, Big Cat? Yeah. This is perfect. This is the right storyline. It's like you start out as a hotshot. You get humbled a little bit. You go off in the mountains to train with some old wizard who blindfolds you and like hits you in the side with sticks and shit. And then you learn how to catch flies with chopsticks and stuff, training out in nature for a year. And then you come back. I'm combining like nine movies. I'm pretty sure I'm also combining Arya, getting trained by the guy with no face when she turned

blind, like James said before Lasik. You should have just said, have you ever seen Game of Thrones? No, no, that's, I think, I think that's one of the like five analogies that I'm mixing all together. But in most Kung Fu movies, you go and you train with a guru, right? That's what James, James is going to come back next year and literally like the league on fire. Yes, I agree. I mean, I just, I'm just bummed because I want to see him now. I have a bold prediction. I think James is starting at least six games this year. Okay, so I have a bold prediction. I think Drew Brees is going to get injured and miss at least six games this year. And then James would start those six games. Right. Okay, so we're in agreement. So we both have bold predictions.

What about Taysum Hill? Taysum Hill is a Swiss army knife. Well, they want to keep Taysum Hill from if you have Taysum Hill take every snap, then if he's not good, then Sean Payton can't trade him for six first rounders in 10 years. I think the thought of having a Taysum Hill on your roster is a lot better than actually having Taysum Hill on your roster making, was it like $15 million? Yes, yes. Taysum Hill is something you just need a little bit of. You can't have too much of it. If you have too much of it, things can go south pretty quickly. Um, all right. Should we do who's back of the week? Let's do who's back of the week. Then we have Chris Angel coming up. Hank, why don't you start?

Wouldn't they have won the, won't they want to have won the playoffs if he had been playing the whole game though? Who? Taysum. Yes, that's true. Best player on the field against the Vikings. Fact. According to Troy Aikman and everyone who had eyes. My who's back of the week is the NBA potentially. Oh, go on. There was some news in the right direction. Wold reported that teams in states where they're like easing up on the coronavirus ban are going to be able to start practicing together. Teams are getting back together. So there's no news about the season coming back, but it's a step in the right direction. Although I will say it makes no sense to me like from a competitive standpoint, how they're going to let some teams practice and some

teams not. Hank was very mad when I read this tweet to him last night because he was like, fuck that. The like, uh, the box and the Rockets are going to be able to come back right away and the Celtics and the Lakers and the Clippers are screwed. Now, I've heard that they're trying to do something where maybe this is the NHL where they're just going to have like four locations spread out across the country. I feel like they would just move though to a state like teams that have restrictions would just move to a state. And the interesting part too would be teams like, I don't know if they would just go straight to the playoffs or not. Like what would the Knicks do? Just be like, now we're just not even going to, like this isn't even worth it.

Yeah. I think, no, I think, I think you have to play at least two weeks of games, right? You couldn't just hop in the playoffs. That'd be, that'd be crazy. There's no way that any bull is going to come back and like be yelled at by Jim Boylan for a season that doesn't matter anymore during a pandemic. That would actually, now I'm rooting for that. I'm rooting for them to play at least two weeks so that Jim Boylan actually has to try to get his team to come back for him. That would be perfect. All right, PFT, what's your who's back? My who's back of the week is simple. It's Trey Wingo. Trey, did we just become best friends? You did a good job, Trey. You did a good job. You played it. You played it relatively straight.

You stuck to a winning formula with the exception of like there were a few times where you straight away from your Will Ferrell movies and he started talking too much about feet like Quentin Tarantino hat tips, things like that. I thought that he did, he did good with the material he was given. They laid on the the tragedy stuff pretty thick on Friday and on Saturday. Like there were some prospects where they just talked about grandparents that died like 40 years ago, like that they didn't even know. His grandparent died during World War II. He had high blood pressure and wasn't in the battle or anything, but he died in 1943. So thought some prayers to that guy. Like they over did that quite a bit, I would say. But for the most part, I thought that Trey did a pretty good job considering

the circumstances. Yes, I'd agree. I'd agree. He did get criticized a little bit for his comment about where was it in somewhere in California where he's like all they do is is surf and smoke weed. And then the Santa Cruz Santa Cruz and the prospect was like, I don't do either of those things. It's like, come on, guys, relax. Okay. Trey's making a joke about his favorite hobby, smoke and weed. Just chill out. Blazer don't, but don't come at Trey about that. Also, who's back a week was overprotective mamas in draft rooms. So there were a lot of players that would get drafted and then either step mom would come in or the girlfriend would come in to give a hug and mama bear would just put her hand up and play defense be like, this is my son's time

to shine. You keep your whole ass out of this picture right now. It's it was actually, I'm always siding with the person who has the, uh, you know, ability to, to be like, Hey, this moment's going to live on forever. And the country is watching us in our living room. Maybe it's not about you person who's been standing in the kitchen eating like the French onion dip for the last four hours to come in and get the first hug. Why don't you back off and let him have this moment. Although respect to that person who's been in the kitchen eating French onion dip for four hours and then trying to get the spotlight. That's a, that's, I mean, you're an athlete. If you're doing that, they could make it. All right. My who's back the week

is, um, love being dead. Love is dead. Love is completely dead. K-Cav and Jay Cutler on the splits. They're getting divorced. I was blindsided by this. I felt like Peter King. I was walking Stella and I looked at my phone after about 15 minutes. I had 20 missed texts. I was like, Oh my God, someone must have died like way worse. The royal family is getting divorced. So I'll say is, uh, I'm team Jay. I don't know anything. I literally don't know anything, uh, but I'm team Jay. So that's my quarterback. He's got more time to practice handball. Yeah, exactly. That's my quarterback. Like that's what friend, bro's got to stick together during this. Again, I don't know anything, but I got Jay's back without a doubt, 100% unequivocally. Any chance is that, uh,

Chris and Kav is taking a page out of the Kardashians E reality show playbook. And this is all for, you know, some, some promo for the show. Even if that's the case, Hank, I ride with Jay. Yeah, I actually thought it might be a publicity stunt when I first saw it because, you know, the E is not immune to this fiscal downturn in America. So you got to sometimes drum up some story lines with everything that's going on with Djokovic, your goat and, uh, the talk of the vaccine for the virus though. This definitely, they got in some arguments. And as far as I'm concerned, any conversation that you have in quarantine with a lover, uh, that should be, you should be able to turn the page on that because we're all going to go a little bit crazy, right? You can't be,

you can't expect Jay to be locked inside with somebody on a private island for three months and not go a little crazy. I think they did go home, but either way, team Jay, whatever may happen. And, uh, yeah, that's all I got to say. That's my state, my statement. I want my statement to just read, I am team Jay forever and always unless he gets arrested for a felony, which I don't think he ever would be, but then I would reconsider my team Jay standing, but wouldn't give it up right away. I want that whole thing to be read. At that point, you need to wait for all the facts to come out before you officially decide. So I'm good. We're team Jay. Um, all right, let's do, uh, our interview with Chris Angel. Awesome dude. Uh, very positive guy. This is like a Monday motivation with Chris

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come together. Absolutely. Okay. Let's get to our interview. We have Chris Angel, mind freak. Okay. We now welcome on a very special guest. It is six time magician of the year. He is a Hall of Famer in the International Magician Society Hall of Fame. I'm going to read all your accolades by the way. Mind freak most successful magic show in the history of television. The most watched magician of all time and has the most followers on social media. It is Chris Angel. Chris, thank you so much for joining us. This is a great. Thank you, brother. You could be like my PR agent. That was pretty, that was impressive. Yeah. I got it. I got to introduce the legend that is Chris Angel. So I guess the, the first

question is how does the Hall of Fame, Magician's Hall of Fame work and like, did you get inducted and do you have like a gold jacket like the NFL? How does that go down? Yeah, basically it's an organization. It's about a hundred years old. They've only given this lifetime achievement award out five times in their history. The only commercial magician to ever receive it was Sikrin Roy. And I was not only the youngest person to ever receive this unanimously. It has to be by over 20 of the board members that range from age in the twenties to the eighties. But I am the only magician performing today to be in the ranks of the sixth person to ever get this in a hundred years by the most prestigious international brotherhood magician's organization

in the world. So it's a pretty big thing and very grateful and very humble to be a part of that. That's awesome. What's it like at the induction ceremony for the Hall of Fame and Magic? I have to assume at least in my own brain that when you get like all these magicians together in room, everyone is always just worried that somebody else is starting a trick on them. Yeah. Well, you know, the world of magic is a pretty competitive sport, if you will, because there's not a lot of people like if I ask you name 10 magicians right now, I bet you can't. Houdini? Mystery, the pickup artist. David Blaine? David Copperfield. The masked magician that gave away all your tricks on Fox. Not my tricks, but God Bluth? Penn and Teller. Yes. So we don't,

that's pretty much it. You just tapped our brains. It's like five. Yeah. So yeah, it's a small kind of thing. And when you want to remain the most relevant, you have to work harder at the destination as opposed to getting to the destination. So like an athlete, which I consider myself one because of the type of show I do. Very physical show. I do a lot of MMA training. I have a gym at my house. And you have to really be, especially at 52 now, you got to be really flexible and really athletic or else I'll not be able to do a lot of these things. Yeah. I read that you can still do the splits at 52, which is that. Yeah, I do. I don't know if you know Randy Kittor, but he has a great gym called Extreme Kittor. His son, Ryan Kittor trains me and I have a Jiu-Jitsu coach. So I do a

little bit of training and then I just do some cardio stuff and a lot of stretching and stuff like that. But it's really important as you get older to remain flexible and to keep your body moving, to prevent injury. Because I hang upside down in the show. I could kill myself a million times during the show. So I'm just always trying to be like focused and in the moment and hypersensitive to being physically fit. How did you get into, you know, magic? Like at what point in your life were you like, this is it. This is my career because you got to say it's not, a lot of kids don't grow up being like, I'm going to be a magician. Yeah, no, they're not that stupid. I was six. My installer showed me a card trick and I was obsessed with magic and the power that it gave

you as a young kid when adults didn't understand how you were doing accomplishing certain things. And then by the time I was, you know, 10, 11, 12 years old, I was performing private parties on my bicycle. I was playing in bars by the time I was barely 14. I was, you know, Fridays and Saturday nights. Could never get away with it today. But in New York, I used to go and do bars and close up magic and stuff like that. So I always knew this is what I wanted to do. Always had a big dream. Took me 18 years to become an overnight success, but never gave up. And no matter what it is you want out of life, you just have to, you know, put that sweat equity in, put blinders on, believe in yourself when no one else does. Don't waste your time on

social media listening to negativity. It breeds nothing positive. And eventually it can happen. You just got to really, really, you got to really be able to believe it and vision it, you know. Yeah, I have a very important question for you. I feel like this is a good one to lead off with actually is magic real? No, you know, I'm an entertainer, an artist. I use a lot of things that I do are real because I try to blur the line between reality and illusion. So like when I hang by, you know, four fish hooks through my back from a helicopter over the valley of fire or hang for six hours with fish hooks, it's real. There's no pain medication, no numbers, nothing. When Frank Muir or Chuck Liddell or Ryan Arandi-Couture or who else, who am I missing,

Paige Van Zandt, when they punched me in the stomach, you know, as hard as they could, that was completely real. That wasn't like some type of trick. So I do do tricks and illusions. When I levitate, I really obviously can't fly and levitate, even though I do it in a way that's never been done. I try to blur it out line and let the audience determine what is real and what is not. I think it's a bit more fun for them to be able to determine what is what. Were you nervous when you got punched in the stomach? I mean, that's how Houdini got caught, right? Well, that's what I was doing. I was kind of paying homage because, you know, Houdini in his day and age said that he could take any man's punch and a couple of college kids saw Houdini after his show and they were

like, is it true, Mr. Houdini? You could take any man's punch and he's like, yes, he didn't prepare, they welled him and essentially ruptured his appendix. And on Halloween in 1926, he died of appendicitis. So I wanted to do that. And today, you know, our fighters are way more scientific, stronger, faster. And I just thought it was even more difficult to do that test today than it would be, you know, nearly, you know, 80 years ago or something. So I got, you know, UFC champs, you know, and just wanted to see how I would react to it, excuse me. And it was definitely an interesting experience. Frank Muir is like, you know, 250 or something like that. And he hit me the first time he was holding back and I said, you can't do that because it just doesn't look believable. And

I want it to be legit. And he like looked at me. He's like, he got this look in his eye. And I was like, shit. And he just let loose. And he was just here actually before this whole thing went down with the COVID-19 virus. He was here training at my gym with him and his daughter and his coach. So but he had Chuck Liddell and they all, they all, they all hit hard. They want to get a free shot. You know, it's definitely something I was concerned about, but I believed in the technique. So I was hoping it was going to work. And it definitely, I had Chuck Liddell's basically his knuckles in my, in my stomach. Like it just stood there the the after effect for like a few hours. It was just like this big red mark of his knuckles. It was crazy. So how do you do it? How? Yeah, how do you

take it on? It's muscle control, breathing distance. It's like common sense things that you just have to feel really confident about when you put yourself, you know, literally at the end of somebody that's a high level athlete like that, you know, and they're punched, you know, so just practice, you know. So you alluded to it a second ago, but you worked for 18 years before becoming, you said becoming an overnight success, but at some point along the way, I'm sure there were some discouragements, some encouragement. What was there one point where you were like, I can do this for a living and I can be extremely successful? Well, you know, I knew I could do it for a living when I was a teenager, because I was doing like 12 birthday parties a weekend.

I was doing firehouse shows. I played at windows of the world. I was doing corporate events, and I was also playing with my band in clubs. So I knew I could do it for a living, but I was just miserable performing, you know, as a babysitter basically doing magic for kids' birthday parties, and I never was happy with it. So I just figured I would take that leap, because it wasn't about money, it was always about living my dream, you know, you get one life, you have to choose how you're going to live it. So I just really worked hard and just went for it. And it just, you know, when you're different and you're not like everybody else, it's more difficult to succeed. But once you succeed, then everybody like kind of copies you, because you've proven a road that

can work and you've paved the road. So it was a very, very difficult process. But once I, along the way, saw certain indications, you know, because it was no one big thing that really happened. It was a small, small things that evolved and transformed into the big thing. But it was a series of small breaks that allowed me to get the big break, which was really my mind-free television series, you know, on A&E back in 2005, a debut. But I had three specials before that. I had 600 shows on Broadway in 43rd. At the WWE, the McMahons gave me a break back in 2000, 2001. So, and I still work with them today, you know, Stephanie Van and Triple H or Paul was hanging with me like probably two months ago or

something. So, you know, it was a series of a lot of things, but you can never give up. That's the one common ingredient, you know, you just got to work hard. It doesn't matter if you want to be the best basketball player or an MMA guy or football player, you just never can give up and you just have to put that time in. If it were easy, everybody would be successful. But the harder it is to achieve something, the greater the reward. So you have the world record in a couple of things. And I want to just walk through them to like explain the level of panic or how you mentally got over it. So, the first one was you were submerged underwater and had the fastest time to escape from a straight jacket at two minutes and 30 seconds. How the hell do you train for that?

And was there any moment where you're like, fuck, I am underwater for two minutes and 30 seconds? This sucks. I'm going to die. Right. So, I did over a thousand demonstrations on TV alone and so I think you're combining two different things. But let me take one each one. So, I was the first guy to be underwater for 24 hours. I did it in Times Square at the WWE. And on Good Morning America Live, I had to escape everything. And so, I only was underwater for 12 hours in my friend's pool to see because I didn't have money back then. And I wanted to see if I could do 12 hours and I came out. I was able to do it. But my skin was driving me crazy because of the chlorine. It just drove me nuts. Wait. So, when you say you're underwater, you were in like one of those clear boxes underwater?

Yeah. Basically, I had Houdini's water. It was like a phone booth filled up with water. And I was underwater for the very first hour upside down with 18 pounds of chains. And I was recreating what Houdini did in like a short time. I wanted to do it for 24 hours. So, the first hour I was upside down to remaining 23 hours as a right side up. But I wasn't really prepared and I didn't have the money and the science behind it. So, I just brute force did it. And I have a permanent scar on my nose because the mask wore away. And it was the most miserable experience you can imagine. But I did it and it served its purpose. And then the one that you're talking about, I did in Times Square, it was got two straight jackets. I wanted to be the first person ever to try two straight

jackets at the same time. And then at the bullshit straight jackets, you get up the magic shop that you see everything in Harry that he does magic using. It's like legitimate posy straight jackets. I had two of them. I worked with Randy Couture at his gym because I wanted him to constantly choke me out. I wanted to know what it would feel like, what the signs would be to know when I was going to go unconscious because the idea was not only was I going to have two straight jackets on, I was going to hang upside down above 20,000 people, 30 feet, 30 stories up, and essentially have 50 pounds of weight basically hanging from one end of a rope. The other end was in noose around my neck. And so, I had to be very gingerly getting that straight jacket out because I was

fighting against myself. If I moved a lot, the noose would get tighter with that 50 pounds and I would pass out and go unconscious and I wouldn't have been able to accomplish my mission. So, I had to be very methodical. So, I worked with Randy Couture and he choked me out a bunch of times. He talked about the carotid arteries and how to turn my neck in different techniques and essentially got that first jacket off to the point that I could get the rope with my teeth off of my mouth, drop the weight, everything off. And then I got out of the last jacket, but I did pay a small price. I ripped my bicep off of my bone. I had two complete tears on my rotator cuff. I had a five-hour surgery with seven screws and anchors, nine months of rehabilitation

and both the surgeon and my physical therapist after nine months. It don't ever do that again. I still do it every night on my show. Wait, so I just looked, that's insane. I looked at the other video just now while you're telling the story about you being underwater for 24 hours with obviously a scuba mask. You then went to the hospital. Your skin, like how the fuck, your skin looked so gross and pruned. How long did that stay with you? I lasted for a little time and it was so funny because when I went to the hospital, the doctor and the nurse is like there and I'm like, I'm so itchy. I'm just so, my skin is so uncomfortable and they didn't know what to do because it's not like they can look in their

medical journal. How do you treat somebody that was underwater for 24 hours? I was like the guinea pig that was stupid enough to do it. So it was a little challenging and I couldn't eat because obviously I couldn't go to the bathroom. I was just taking liquid in and peeing in a tube but essentially that was it. I've done a lot of really stupid things but it's amazing that over a thousand demonstrations and that I didn't manage to kill myself because a lot of things like floating over the pyramid in Luxor, 550 feet, I didn't even know if that was going to work. People that are watching this can go to my Instagram, Chris Angel, and just type in or my YouTube and just type in top five and I set up five things that I did that were

absolutely nuts. I lit myself on fire. I spent 24 hours on water. I was buried alive just hung by fish hooks so it's like each one that I did and it's the ultimate social distance. Very true. That's very true. What's it like when you finish with a trick like that for the first time? I imagine it's got to be like scoring a touchdown or elation or is it like the opposite? Is it a little bit like you're scared? I can't believe I just survived that. You know, I look back and since I've been, you know, we've all been kind of doing mitigation and stuff, I spent a lot of time pulling footage and putting stuff up that I've done in my career because I never stopped and smelled the flowers and got my work and so people always ask about

certain things so I've been posting new clips, things that I'm shooting at my house with my kids and stuff that was from my past and it's really crazy because I'm the type of guy that I work harder now than I work to succeed. You know, I think you have to work harder in order to remain the number one guy in your respective discipline. So, you know, for me, I never stop and look at what I've done yesterday. I'm always looking at what I'm doing and what I'm doing tomorrow and I'm always looking to kind of raise the ante and what everything I'm doing. I won't stop being like that until I quit so I really don't stop and look at it but I have just recently because of being trapped in my house and I'm just, you know, sometimes it feels like

it was a different person, you know, and sometimes I stop and I'm like, holy shit, wow, that was pretty crazy. You know, hanging by the fish that's flying over the valley of fire by fish or screw your flesh and some of the things that I did, you know, walk down the side of the planet of Hollywood, you know, a 30 mile an hour winds is a pretty stupid thing to do but I had to make a TV show as the executive producer and if I didn't then I would have lost that money so I took a lot of chances. We would have, you know, standards and practices, you know, like the regulation of safety for television would always want to come and see what I'm doing and I always knew that anything that I would do, they would never allow me to do so we'd always give them the

wrong address. That's awesome. That's a true story. That's awesome. Tell us the fish hooks thing. How the hell do you do that? Like mentally fish hooks are going to your body? Yeah, it's mind over matter so I got a guy that does piercing who does a lot of body suspension and this has been a practice that's been around from a boy going into like, you know, a transition from a boy to manhood and they would do this, you know, you know, as tradition as part of their culture and I saw it on TV and I wanted to do it so I got to hold this guy Alan Faulkner with his name, believe it or not brought him out and I had him because it's really important when you take a fish hook and you put it in your flesh you can't go too shallow because it will rip right out of your

flesh in your fall or if it goes too deep you'll hit your muscle and you can do permanent damage so you have to get it in that sweet spot and I had no pain numbers, no pain medication of any kind and so he strung me up and and it's really, you know, mind over matter it's it's kind of like, you know, that's why I love, you know, the UFC and and MMA because these guys that go in there are warriors and it's, you know, pain for them is a feeling of being alive, you know, it's it's like, you know, when an athlete really wants to accomplish something they don't care their feet are hurt and they don't care they did damage to this their objective is more important than the moment they're in it's the it's the end result that they're looking for and I think I share that same sentiment

it's it's the end result so for me I went up I was trying to get lifted up my skin is stretching off of my bone the helicopter's pulling me up and I felt like I was gonna puke my brains out and I had to come down which which Alan was freaking out he's like no one comes down and goes back up because once you come down you never can muster the the energy to go back up and so uh so I had to because I had to make a tv show I was financially responsible for it and no one ever did this before hang by a helicopter and fly and so it was the most painful thing I've ever done and the most beautiful but I mustered the courage and I knew I had to do it I got myself in that mindset I kind of visualized what it was going to look like before I did it and essentially

I embraced the pain as opposed to fight the pain I accepted the pain and I start to concentrate on the pain what does pain feel like like if somebody takes your flesh and they squeeze it and they pinch it and your instant reaction is since you're a baby is to pull away or if you fall to cry but if you really study what pain is it's just you know it's it's it's it's something that you can process and overcome so when they were when when my skin was being pulled I started focusing really really um um intently on what is that feeling that sensation that I'm feeling and I started becoming numb to the pain and was able to overcome it and that was like a trick that I did in my own mind that that has helped me so many times when I'm in situations where I'm like shit I could die

or I could be permanently maimed how am I going to get through this first of all I just remain calm I think methodically I think about what my job is I think about what I've rehearsed I think about you know just just being in that moment and dealing with the micro of every single moment in the moment and getting to the end result which is my goal and and sometimes you know you say goals at a short term sometimes or a long term and for me they're both you know and I just I got I am not I'm not a smart guy like I didn't go to college I was in slow classes in high school I just had an overwhelming desire and drive and passion like no one in my field that I was going to do things if it killed me that would be okay that would be the price I was willing to pay

to succeed and be the best at what I do you mentioned before we started taping that you do 450 shows a year so I have to imagine that you're not doing the same exact tricks every night but I would also think that there's a danger in performing the same trick multiple times that you can start to become complacent with it or get bored with the trick and lose focus whereas the first time you do it your mind is you know hyper focused on every single step have you experienced that and if so like how do you how do you get past that 100% absolutely you know it's like you know if you think of a about a player going down the court and they practice this over and over and over again and then they're in the game and and they've done it in games over and over again

it's very easy just to put it on automatic pilot what I always do is I if I find number one I cut back from doing that many shows because I did that for like 10 years and now that I'm at Planet Hollywood with my brand new show Mindfree I want to be a chance to tour more and I wanted to balance because my youngest son or actually my oldest son I just had another kid but my oldest son is going through pediatric cancer so I wanted time to to deal with his treatment and and do some other work for children that that are going through a similar situation but I um yeah I just I just focus and and prioritize um what it is I'm trying to do and what it is I'm trying to accomplish and you lost me in a question of the same one more time sorry I was saying like uh if

you're doing the same trick multiple times a trick that might be dangerous yes yeah I try to prioritize you know what is going on at that moment if I'm on stage that's my priority and I focus in that moment and I also think about that audience that I'll never have in the room together ever again in the history of the world that audience will never be there this is their only experience collectively and my job is to professionally give them the most incredible mind-blowing experience they can possibly have in Las Vegas at a show and in order to do that I got to be in the moment I can't phone it in there's other magicians in town that just literally walk through the motions and phone it in retell a prompter's have fans blowing and that's not what I'm about you do two shows a

night every night or three shows you just it becomes like a hamster on a wheel I don't want to be that this might be a really dumb question but I also feel like it is our scientific duty to ask it just in case the answer is like no one's ever asked this before but do you think you could make coronavirus disappear like that yeah I feel like we could get like two years down the line and still look for a vaccine and you're like yo no one ever asked me we didn't try magic yet right yeah it's it's a crazy time you know it's so it's such an interesting observation but you know families like mine that have a child that has a compromised immune system practice social distancing mitigation hand washing sanitizing everything all the time and what this has done

it's kind of been a wake-up call for the whole world you know for one to be in the moment to realize I think what we have and how we take it for granted you know and for me you know the human spirit is resilient and I really believe that we are going to absolutely get through this stronger than ever I think um I hope it serves a time for people to reconnect to the ones that they love you know we take people for granted and working is something we all need to do because we have bills to pay but love is something that's priceless and something that we often take for granted and and it's important to spend this time because we have no other choice to make the most of it and to make it a positive experience um and and so that's what I'm trying to do and trying to

put out in the world is positivity and and to be in the moment and to be positive and to have hope you know without hope um it's very bleak uh you have a conscious a conscious choice to make whether you're going to choose to take this time and it's the end of the world or you're going to take this time and make something positive come from it I think you just did it I think you just mind freaked coronavirus because that's the that's like we don't hear a lot of positive spins right now so you but you have to be yeah in your presence you know the problem is and not to get political because I believe you know this virus you know has no political face it can affect anyone just like pediatric cancer can one child of a two minutes is diagnosed with it um so it can

happen it doesn't know you know it doesn't discriminate if you're black white rich poor famous or not and I just think that um the media is not helping um because they're adding to the hysteria yes we need information we need to know but we also need to have hope we also need to to put positivity in the world and love in the world and we know we need to get that as humans it's essential to our DNA and when you have people in the world that are just saying you know bad news bad news bad news when we're a home and we're isolated from the ones that we want to see or the things that we want to do you know we need to be practical and realistic but we also need to be positive and hopeful and resolute in our understanding that we will come back stronger than ever and we need more

messaging like that because you know there's more people there's about 260 000 people I believe in the world that have committed suicide this year already a lot more people than have passed on because of the virus now every life is valuable every single life and I'm not trying to compare one to the other but we also got to keep positivity in the world it's not going to be the end of the world we are all going to go on we're all going to move on and and we're going to thrive and if you don't think that you don't feel that then you're going to face negativity what you think is what you are what you put out in the world is what you get I firmly believe that yeah and I think we need more positivity so in a way you did come up with the magic formula which is listen to medical experts

and practice social distancing and also have some positive thinking and just know that we're going to get to the other side yeah so that's the magic we mind freaked it you just mind freak we might we mind freak do you mind freak just random shit like do you just like walk around your house and just mind freak people no I usually I'm always creating you know like when I perform that's my job but creating is my passion I love creating like if you come out here I'd love to have you at my show yes my guest yes but I do a thing where I fly and levitate in pure light like you can see every little detail I worked almost 20 years on this I had a company that works for NASA come on board to help me with this I did it on Broadway but when you see this people that have been in

a business for 40 years don't even know how I do it and and it's something that I'm always thinking I'm always creating I'm always writing things down I'm always working on different projects but I don't necessarily walk around and and look the deck of cards I hate card tricks but I could do card tricks but I hate them because like one or two are good but when people have their whole show of card tricks it just to me like when people come to Vegas they want to be they want to see spectacle they want to escape reality their problems they want to see the impossible possible they want the messaging in their life to be that hey you know I just saw the show I can go out and conquer the world anything that I dream up I can achieve because it's not about how I do it

it's about how you feel when you watch it and when you have that connection to the audience that's the purest form of magic so card tricks and other tricks are just like an enigma I know how to do something you don't know how to do and for me it's not about that it's about inspiring people aspiring emotion and making people feel like they can go out and accomplish anything in their life and I think that's why I have had so much success because the messaging is one of hope positivity and something that I have been doing now since I started doing this not something that I started because of the virus can you use levitation to dunk great question thanks to do what to dunk dunk a basketball to dunk you know I had to kill an eel of my house and we we were

playing a little basketball and we were just screwing around outside and he challenged me to levitate him and so so I did you can go to my Instagram and check it out but I levitated him over my house and then I put that out there and then people were starting to say oh it's a balloon it's a helium balloon I swear on my mother who I love more than life itself I wish I could get a balloon to do things like this you can ask Shaq himself he did this he literally flew over my house oh you guys are just doing light as a feather stiff as a board middle school girls do this all the time yeah I'm watching it right now but seriously could you have made him dunk uh well you know he asked me about the free throw and I don't know if I could even help him with that

magic magic cancel um all right I got one last question he's a great guy by the way yeah he uh chris angel mine freak um my last question is you have a secret society but it's but it's not secret because you can you can go and you can like log into it what's what's behind that what's the secret society about well it's it's a clever way to market to kids that want to learn magic because I think magic builds uh confidence it builds the ability to forward think it builds the ability to address groups of people and I think kids need to have those um building blocks as they grow up so I wanted to put magic out in the world that I would personally teach um and I would perform what the trick looked like and then I'd give them an opportunity to learn a beginning a beginner version

or an advanced version and so we have this thing called the secret society where um people go online and they type in this code and then I appear and then I'm able to teach them um different tricks that that they can do with the deck of cards because I love card tricks so much at their home or they can buy a magic kit that I can teach them how to do things with so it's basically we call it the secret society and um because we we talk about secrets and I teach secrets that you know the real secret is the is the magic of emotion and how do I like that I like how to package magic in a way that connects the people on an emotional level and and that's what movies do that's what Disney does and that is the purest form of what magic is this I'm watching this shack video I don't get it's

incredible I don't understand it right over the house how did you do that on his back flavor there yeah yeah so so yeah this is a lot this is like you know crazy stuff but but we've done like I've always incorporated you know um sports figures because I have such uh an admiration and respect you know somebody that has that type of discipline to be a great athlete you know like Mike Tyson my son had a sixth birthday party and I know Mike for many many years and he and his family came over my son's birthday party which was in February and and we were hanging and we were just talking and uh and just shooting the ship and um you know I have so much respect for Mike you know like what he has accomplished in a mouth of training and the discipline that it took

to to win the championship the heavyweight championship at 20 years old is just astonishing and uh and he's such a great guy um and so I love hanging out with these people I love you know Tony Hawk I'm I'm going to be doing a project with Tony Hawk coming up I just love these people that that spend so much time being the best at their craft at their sport the discipline that it takes is second to none and I just I just love being around them it inspires me one of my favorite things in all of sports is when a quarterback is able to do a really sick play action like where they fake the handoff and kind of put it behind their back or whatever fake out the entire defense do you think that you could work with a quarterback and teach them like a next level play action

fake where they really think yeah you know I I I I have thought about that because I had a couple of guys that I've been friends with in the and UFC you know asked me about you know misdirection and different things but you know what what they're doing those quarterbacks and is really is really incredible like the level that they're doing it at if you look at it now and you look at it you know 15 years ago or 10 years ago you see a transformation just like in the sport of MMA and and yeah I think you can certainly work toward using magic and illusion um to enhance you know their strategy I don't think it would hurt let me say that I think it might add another little layer and I don't even know what that means right now I'd have to

really study it and really kind of look into it but I'm sure I'm sure because they are doing misdirection and they are doing things to make you look over there when their actions going over there just like you know if I took something put in my hand I'd make you look over here when this hand's doing it right so um yeah it'd be interesting it'd be an interesting exercise to see whether or not someone like myself could help facilitate a higher level play I don't know if I could or couldn't but I'd love to try because that'll be awesome you got the Raiders right there in Vegas teach Derek Mark Davis. Mark Davis definitely is a big fan of yours. Absolutely you teach them how to do that and they'll be running spider two wide banana and the defense won't be able to stop it.

Do you hang with Mark Davis? I'm very tight with Mark. Yes you are. I know I'm not a name drop. No no that's a name you can drop. Mark's a friend of mine and uh we actually just uh he had he had dinner at my house uh when he came out here. Did you get PF Chang's delivered? No no I had my chef cook for him and his peeps and then we and then we just met up backstage at Planet Hollywood in my dressing room about a project that I'm working on that the Raiders will get involved in so I'm really excited but Mark's a great guy the Raiders coming to Vegas is just absolute insanity it's such a great thing for this town especially now considering you know you have the golden nights which are fantastic we've done things together with the golden nights as well now the

Raiders I mean Vegas is really transformed you know into something you need to have sports you know you need to get the town and the city behind it and the Raiders is like that I pass it every day going to work and the stadium they did just the most incredible job. You should levitate the stadium that would be sick. Well I'm gonna do something there. Okay. I've been in a I've been in a stadium a few times um they asked me to come in he asked me to look at it um and and we chatted about some things but I'll definitely I'll probably do something in there because we've talked about it before and I'd love I'd love to get involved with the Raiders because you know I it's just such a great team and and the brand and and and also my my dear friend and my assistant Tom for

god almost 20 years is like the big his dog his name Raider he's the biggest Raiders fan so we're really excited Vegas is really excited to have the Raiders and I think it's gonna be so poignant now you know with everything reopening hopefully sooner than later that we're gonna have the Raiders here in what September October you know some of their first games we hope that we'll be able to do it's just gonna bring such an energy and excitement and just something to look forward to you know yes I would imagine you can find a quarter behind Mark Davis's ear and just like that's a captive audience right there like fuck man that's cool yeah Mark Mark Davis is a good guy anytime I call him he calls me right back and and he's there and he's

really um becoming part of this community love it you know he's really trying to trying to help out locally and and somebody underprivileged situations and stuff like that so we're really grateful to have the Raiders here to have Mark here the golden nights um it's really really awesome yeah if you told John Gruden that you could teach his quarterbacks play action he probably just wouldn't let you leave the building yeah he'd be like this is our resident in-house magician yeah you might think you're a witch yeah go either way but uh Chris thank you so much there's been a ton of fun we'll definitely take you up on the offer when we uh next year in Vegas and anytime you have anything uh you want to talk about a promote you're welcome back on here anytime I

want to thank you both for having me on and I want to say to your listeners stay well stay safe and come out to Las Vegas when you can you know you got bills to pay mortgages leave you know all that stuff but once the world gets back come to Vegas come to plan a hallowed see mine freak I guarantee you have a great time thanks so much awesome we'll be thanks thanks man appreciate it all right take care that interview with Chris Angel the mine freak is brought to you by simply safe with all this uncertainty in the world feeling safe at home has never ever been more important it's why I want to talk to you about simply safe home security they're longtime friends a part of my take and for good reason simply safe has made it easy to finally get comprehensive protection for your home there's

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why wouldn't you just sign them could you draft somebody to be a coach because then you own their rights if you think that maybe next year there's a coach that's going to leave and go to the NFL and you want to get out in front of that could you use a draft pick on a college coach to prevent another team from hiring them to be on their roster but then you'd have to draft all the coaches right because then a team would be wasting a draft pick on something they could would just be able to sign but it's more a game of keep away so if you think that hypothetically the Los Angeles Chargers are going to hire urban Myers a coach next year why wouldn't you if you're in the afc west draft urban Meyer and then you have his rights for at least the next year so they

can't hire him during the off season because he technically belongs to you I don't know if I don't know if you can I don't hate that but I was just staring at my TV for long enough that I thought about it my other draft idea was Trevor Lawrence what if there's not going to be college football season does Trevor Lawrence could he then declare to go into the supplemental draft and then somebody could pick him up as a first rounder like in a month or two or whenever the supplemental draft I think so I don't know I was actually surprised I don't know exactly how it works but why wouldn't I guess you can't draft someone before they're eligible but it I was thinking about that like in a seventh round situation why wouldn't you just draft him and then fight it you know what I mean

could it and basically take the risk that somehow the season is not going to happen I don't know how that would work right I don't know exactly how that worked but I had the same similar thought where it was like why isn't anyone trying to just at least fight this like a Maurice Claret situation and just see if they can they can get Trevor Lawrence on a roster I guarantee you that flora knows exactly you know he could tell us why we're on letter on both things like in two seconds and then call us idiots and really hammer home why we're wrong for the next 10 minutes yeah and then get mad at us about going in and working in the office together right seven feet apart floria would do accomplish all that in a minute so I I think

the way that it goes with these draft picks is you can you can retain rights to a player for up to a year but it doesn't mean that they have to work for right right because they but I don't but if you're a team that has a supplemental pick why not take a shot on Trevor Lawrence and bank on the fact that if the NCAA season does happen it might not happen until the spring and if it happens in the spring I can't imagine that there's a lot of upside for a guy like Trevor Lawrence to go out there and play right up until the right so it does say right now I'm just googling it he has to be a full official three years out of high school and that's at the end of the calendar year 2020 so he's just not eligible to be drafted yet so that just must it might just be cut and dry like

that that would have been sick though it would have wait but he's not eligible to be drafted but could you sign somebody as an undrafted free agent no because he's gotta be I think you can't be in the NFL unless you're three years out of high school okay so you can't play in the NFL in the last three years at a high school but he is over 18 so could you sign a contract with Trevor Lawrence in a month let's just say that you're the Patriots could you be like hey we want to sign you to a three-year 55 million dollar contract undrafted free agent starting in June of 2021 well here's where it could get interesting and again we should probably just have Florio on to explain it here you know what we're definitely too dumb yeah real quick but I

would I was definitely too dumb to get into what I was gonna say is could you what if the NFL season is delayed until January could you then sign Trevor Lawrence then that's an interesting thing all right he'll pick up he's gotta pick up come on Mike Mike Mike you're on you're on you're on PMT right now can you just tell us why we're stupid which we're pretty much having a high conversation trying to figure out why a team didn't try to draft Trevor Lawrence's rights just tell us why we're dumb and just explain it like in the rules because we know you know drafting his rights yeah or like signing him as an undrafted I don't know we're just being stupid can you just tell us why we're dumb yeah he's not eligible to be selected

by any team until he has three years from his high school graduation passed by so they can't it'd be a violation of the rules it would be a waste of a pick or you'd be disciplined for it or something like that it's just not in the certified pool of drafts what about an undrafted free agent if they don't have a college football season he's not eligible to be to be signed and if there's no college football season then he could be drafted next year look at the guy from West Virginia that was in the XFL he got drafted even though he played a season in the XFL because he was eligible now it's just whatever you're eligible for Lawrence is eligible next year even if there's no college football season he's eligible next year okay that made way too much sense so we're just

really stupid well i have nothing wrong with creativity but there's a timeline between creativity and really stupid okay here's another one what pft had the idea what why can't you draft a coach i don't know because it's not bad okay goodbye thank you all right so that was the dumbest that wasn't a real answer that wasn't a real answer he ducked my coach question that was the dumbest ten minutes of part of my take but guess what you made me start thinking about it i was like you might be right pft here's here's the thing we might be very dumb but we have some very smart listeners out there i'm sure that somebody has thought of a scenario where they can kind of skirt the rules and somehow get Trevor Lawrence onto their roster you know maybe it's january

first of of next year maybe it's at that date somebody if he declares himself i don't know what i'm doing somebody else figure someone do it for a loophole that needs to be exploited out there and someone will get to the bottom someone do it for us all right hank give us your uh high stupid idea whoa whoa no one ever said this was stupid this is actually genius in my opinion um so obviously you know we're all stuck in our houses no one knows when we're going to be out of our house people are trying to figure out ways to you know make their house relaxing or make it a little bit a better experience being home all time but there's people that like us in new york city where there's you know there's no room there's just no room to put extra stuff like you need a

whole we don't have back yards don't have front yards or anything porch jacuzzi just a one by one square like oh like remember in like roller coaster tycoon where you could just it was just one square and you could build it all the way up mm-hmm like i'm talking like a cube jacuzzi that could fit even on the smallest of porches okay so you're talking about like one of those you ever seen those cash machines that people step into and all the dollars blow everywhere and they try to grab as many dollar bills yes you're talking about just filling one of those up with water and it swirls the water all around just big enough for you to stand in not even stand and just use gotta like just get up and sit down in it yeah it's probably like up to

your you know chest nipple area what about what about a jacuzzi suit i've heard of a jacuzzi suit before i like that i like that i was trying to i was trying to invent a massage suit so we could maybe make it a double massage and jacuzzi suit yeah i mean it might not i might have just made it up in my head but like it'd be sweet if you could zip up a big puffy thing that had circulating water in it right mm-hmm porch jacuzzi i actually in college i was i lived on like a third floor and we had a window out of the kitchen that was huge and we built a little uh drawbridge and had a grill outside the window very dangerous to have a grill on a third floor people like could walk underneath it very very dangerous but delicious too mm-hmm yeah we had one of those on on my porch

in college it was like a small portable tailgate charcoal grill and there we created a pile of trash out there and then at the end of the semester we just lit it on fire in a controlled burn which quickly became out of control burn this is like a whole situation with fire trucks and stuff all you guys are all you guys are doing is telling me that the market is there you know it is it is that's not terrible you guys in your college they would buy the porch jacuzzi that's not terrible yeah i i like the porch jacuzzi the josh rosin remember josh rosin had an inside jacuzzi at ucla mm-hmm that was pretty cool yeah um he put in his i actually looked into maybe buying an above ground jacuzzi for my apartment like kramer had that in son yes but i think i think hanks

right if you get a jacuzzi outside that's that's even better yes absolutely i'm in ford hank my my idea was um i was doing in the studio i was doing the egg challenge which is not a real thing where you give your dog an egg and they know to nurture it and then stella just put it in her mouth and turned around and dropped it to try to like eat what was in it very smart uh but it made me think we should you know how the they have the seo websites what time does the game start we need to create a can i feed my dog this because i realized that i google that all the time we create that site you could also do like a spin-off site from that like is it okay to ingest this or whatever people are googling constantly especially given these like quarantine times we're all sitting inside

with our dogs so can my dog eat this is we'll go shoot to the top and we'll sell ads off it yeah can can i feed my dog blank is a good one can i can i draft a coach we'll go way off after today's episode that's gonna be a google bomb that goes up i like that that's not bad oh a jacuzzi suit the reason why i think i thought it existed is because millhouse's mom wore one one time on the search here we go i did have this pretty awesome massage suit should exist as well though like a full body you just put it it's basically a massage chair that you can walk around it why doesn't that exist so wait think about it hank the egg don't give me those side eyes i'm thinking about it the egg challenge is just giving your dog an egg and they don't

someone i saw it like three or four times i think it was on tick tock by the way want to know how washed i am well one i called dj call it uh dj like that was his first name probably my most washed moment of all time but two i've started to watch tick tocks just so that i can keep up with music well yeah the new dance the music that they play is like because i'm not in a car so i don't i'm not listening to you know radio so i'm listening to i'm watching tick tocks and then i'm like oh that was a catchy song let me go play it on spotify real quick roger godel did that left foot slide right with jerry judy man in the world do you think roger godel's giving himself a piss test this morning oh yeah he should

that's probably in the name of integrity or play in the godel house his wife checking his piss but yeah so i it's supposedly like you can give your dog an egg and they'll they basically showed i think it was just labs because you know labrador retrievers can do that shit where they'll like grab a duck and then bring it back with their soft mouth so it was a dog it took the egg and then it went and sat in his little bed and dropped the egg and just sat there like looking at it and licked it i i kind of want to try it with you yeah i mean maybe he'll he might not even take it like stella took it and then immediately she knew what she was doing just dropped it so it cracked then started licking it up i think lyra would just like bite into it like as a piece of

gum um all right should we do our mouth flush more chores gusher yeah let's all right hank you start mouth flush more chores which we can talk we can discuss the end there are a couple chores that actually are great so it does work oh okay we'll we'll discuss the end i'll see if anyone picks mine staining a deck staining a deck hmm never done it seems like a pain in the ass though yeah super and i feel like it was one of those things where like it seems like something you have to do like once every like 20 years and it seemed like something i was doing like every spring they're all right let's let's stay in a deck real quick yeah thanks forever you have a you have a hot tub on your deck no it was the wood getting warped no not even okay okay good one um my first

one i'm going to go with uh cleaning out the refrigerator cleaning out the refrigerator is a really underratedly bad chore you have to not only do you have to take stuff out you throw stuff away you got to wash out Tupperware and like leftovers that you've had in there for a couple months it's a bad chore um that's a that's a easy chore no i there's some gross food and stuff there that can be bad i can't believe that that could take 10 minutes tops the the goat of the goat a bad chore is not being on here is crazy so far i mean doing the dishes is the worst doing the dishes is the worst because you also just ate so you're like all i want to do is sit down and just relax and then you got to get up and do the dishes that's doing the dishes have deterred

millions upon millions of people from ever cooking at home because they suck so much yeah i i don't mind drying dishes that's not doing the dishes you know like doing the dishes is totally different than drying the dishes do you not have a dishwasher what do you mean drying the dishes no i don't have a dishwasher oh well then it's even worse my new apartment does then then you should really hate doing the dishes yeah i mean that's why i just sometimes eat directly out of what container they send of course of course i'll eat out of a friend i made a big ass throw away big ass pot of stuffing from stove top and i just ate the entire thing of stuffing so you hate doing the dishes just as much as me just as much as everyone you just didn't realize it because

you just refuse to to give yourself dishes and also because i know that if i eat from dishes then i'll eventually have leftovers that i'll put in my fridge that i will have to clean out at some point right the key is when you have leftovers when you when you have leftovers you just put tinfoil over the dish so you don't then don't have to do the dish and the Tupperware all right number two cleaning the bathroom toilets sinks just the worst the worst mm-hmm agreed agreed and for some reason there's no sink in new york city that doesn't get clogged it's the like in terms of puking i i feel like i have a pretty strong stomach but if i have to unclog if you have to snake a sink it is almost instant that i puke snaking a sink yeah i mean

my sink gets clogged and it has to deal with my face yes like the weakest facial hair in the entire world so we also have really gotta sink as gross yeah and toilets i do god damn okay all right uh my second one i'm gonna go helping somebody move yeah is that chore though chore that's not a chore is that chore okay i can't we keep it on i don't think that moving okay just moving moving that's not a chore move packing up your stuff that's not a chore that's not a chore i i would say that packing up all your stuff in boxes to move as a chore that's not what a chore is though a chore is something like a household thing that you have to do routinely okay uh cleaning out gutters the third try okay clean gutters reaching in there and pulling out six-month-old rotten leaves

moving there's like people who who literally have lived in the same house for 30 years like you think i'm just i'm just listening stuff i don't want to do all right all right okay hank your uh third second and third pick uh weeding that'd be something i feel like it would only get like given to me as a chore when i was in trouble it'd be like oh hey there's like there's a shit little weeds in the front yard go get rid of them it's like what i figured you'd like that type of stuff and uh and making your bed just pointless just a pointless chore have it on there have no reason no reason to ever be done but for some reason it was something you had to do every day yep which i know a fun fact about our our friend uh field yates at espn

he makes his bed in his hotel right every time he wakes up in the morning he's not how creepy is that cross out friend yeah he's he's an individual that we recognize no that's crazy i can't believe that there's there was somebody in the draft that really impressed peter king and peter like brought him up a couple spots on his big board because he also made the bed in his hotel room field yates now immediately bumped up to the top of the list of people who could be patrick bateman and like if someone said like oh yeah field yates remember him the fantasy guy yeah he turned out to be a serial killer i'd be like yep makes sense had my eye on that found out about the bed thing yep okay your third big pft uh all right my third one i feel like going to church is a

chore that counts in my house growing up that counted as a chore okay it was like it was like cleaning out your your room except for your soul okay so yeah going to church uh okay um i will go with uh organizing the garage that is a shitty shitty shitty one because you know that the garage is the place where you just basically throw piles and piles and piles being like don't have to do that that spring cleaning where you have to just organize everything and you've been neglecting it fucking sucks okay my last one um i mean very basic doing the laundry sucks doing the laundry sucks everyone waits to do the laundry as long as possible wear a sweatshirt three times wear jeans 15 times in a row doing the laundry sucks because you know it's not just a simple process

where you can snap your fingers you got to do it then you got to put it away you got to do the fucking hanging up and all that bullshit doing the laundry sucks there was a moment where i was i was dangerously approaching middle age as like a 28 year old i bought our sick washer dryer and i had installed everything i was really excited i spent a good amount of money on it and then i did the laundry and as i was taking the clothes out of the dryer i was like i spent all this money on doing laundry and the clothes are still not folded right like there's my life my life is not any better despite the fact that despite the fact that i just spent like a paycheck's worth of money on this fucking washer dryer yes doing the laundry is just it's miserable there's nothing there's no

two ways about it that it's like the one thing if i ever got super super rich one is that i have a basketball court in my house two i don't think i would ever wear the same pair of socks or underwear again like the same like it would just be new all the time new clothes all the time new clothes feel just fucking throw them out or donate them every single time never have to do laundry never have to because also part of laundry is alan iverson yeah you're sure you know is there nothing worse than having a new shirt that you love or sweatshirt doing the laundry once and being like well this doesn't fit anymore that might be a big guy problem yeah might be i i agree with you on the socks front though nothing like having a brand new pair of socks yes yes all right uh your

last pick pft let's try to do a chore here okay my last one is cleaning out the car that's okay that's chore cleaning out the car that is i'm notoriously messy when it comes to my cars when i used to have them and so uh yeah cleaning those things out like getting old taco bell straw wrappers there's straw wrappers and french fries underneath your seat that have been there for like 10 years that you'll never get out um the whole process of vacuuming walking back and forth to your house with like a trash bag filled with the stuff you want to keep the trash bag filled with stuff you want to throw away it's just an all-around bad time uh good pick good pick hank your last pick not rake i mean raking leaves things but also like the when you have to move leaves

like you have just piles of leaves in your front yard you've got to take them out back so they can get rid of them that was always miserable yeah what about mowing the lawn did anyone i like i like mowing the lawn so i that's what i was saying i was alluding to it at the beginning that there's a few chores that are actually awesome that you should sign up for and i wrote down i mean walking the dog obviously that's a great chore uh washing the car is a great chore because there's nothing like washing the car you feel very accomplished you get to be outside it's kind of a cool feeling to just wash that soap off your car um underrated great chore setting the table because it's very easy and it also probably gets you out of doing the dishes

maybe maybe i just always forget which side the floor goes on yeah that doesn't matter though but it's it's that setting the table is that perfect spot where setting the table is essentially like being a uh seventh inning reliever that doesn't have a lot of pressure you're not the starter you don't have to cook you're not the closer you don't have to do the dishes you just got to put out one inning and maybe like a couple hits get it given up like putting the fork in the knife on the wrong side but it's very very hard to blow the entire game when you're the table center i don't mind vacuuming the house either vacuuming is okay it's kind of like the indoor version of mowing the lawn where you have you know you go in your rows you got your stripes you

clean things up it's a little bit satisfying i hate scrubbing the walls and now a lot of people don't have to ever scrub the walls because why would you but with a big dog that shakes a lot of the drool and the peanut butter on the walls and the peanut butter that i have to put on the walls to help them navigate to the house scrubbing the walls has become a very big problem in the house also last what i had that i think i think it can be characterized as good one taking out the trash because it's not very hard but it's it's seeming it's it looms large in the world of chores and it's probably the easiest one that looms large yeah you know what a power move is going to somebody's house and not even asking them but taking their trash out for them and then putting

a trash bag back in their that's a psycho move you're now ahead of field yates in terms of serial killer it's a it's a power move though especially if you do that like a uh at like your girlfriend's parents house boom instant superstar no don't never touch another man's trash wow that's crazy i think i think that's a psycho i think that's a girlfriend's parents they look at that and they're like okay this guy has it all put together he can identify when trash so what we learned here is that pft you think moving is a chore but doing so much doing taking out the trash in another person's house is just like commonplace no i'm saying it's like kind of an alpha move it's very bizarre i feel like i learned some things here i don't know what i wanted to

then the person thinks to themselves man i should have taken this trash out earlier i can't believe pft like why is why is pft my house taking out my trash yeah just show up i don't they don't even invite me over i just break into people's houses and sanitize um all right let's get to our deep dive with billy football uh before we do that pft you got a quick ad yes before we get to billy our great friend doing a deep dive i want to talk to you guys about mugsy you've heard the name from us before mugsy jeans are the only jeans we wear i'm rocking mine right now they feel great they look like jeans they feel like sweatpants it's not an exaggeration we don't know how the guys at mugsy did it but their jeans totally feel like sweatpants that had

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contract toxoplasmosis okay so let's that is today's deep dive we also have a bonus mount rushmore for billy but please the floor is yours toxoplasmosis yep okay he's banging a red bowl so i got i got a bunch of um i got a bunch of kittens and everyone's been telling me yo you're gonna catch toxoplasmosis it's gonna make you crazy and i'm like whoa so i started googling toxoplasmosis turns out everyone's been thinking of it the wrong way 45 of the population has this parasite called toxoplasmosis that comes from cat feces and just like cleaning up cat litter and stuff or cat scratches i got a bunch of cat scratches these guys so then wait it's about billy 45 percent of americans at large have 45 have toxoplasmosis or 45 percent of cat owners no of

the world have toxoplasmosis what yeah in like 80 percent of france has toxoplasmosis germany has toxoplasmosis like a ton of people have toxoplasmosis so i was like yo what like what is this so i google it and turns out it like it only breeds in cat's stomachs right and it makes my like in part of it is mice catch it a lot and then it makes the mice not fear predators so they're just wandering on then the cat's eating it's like a it's like a predator thing but like this isn't actually a bad thing if you contract toxoplasmosis it basically means you're fearless yeah so i was like yo i want to be fearless like and then i was like and then of course i was like the berserker cult everyone has to contract toxoplasmosis and we'll all just

be fearless berserker warriors you won't fear needles i passed out giving blood the other day because i donate blood on wednesday and then on monday but like it's i have a video of it dale took it it was hilarious can you inject can you inject toxoplasmosis no dude i'm just getting all around these cats just like cleaning up the kids then like trying to hail some of the kitty litter that's how you catch it so when i contract don't do that osmosis i will be an absolute fearless warrior and it'll be sick okay so but all right what are the downsides yeah what are the downsides there has to oh i'm looking at it right now here i can read you some downsides i can give you like just off the top my head what a downside might be is like people have fear for

reason the emotion fear was created for a reason that's to keep us alive so maybe like not you're basically describing that guy that we've all seen on cops that takes off all his clothes and runs into traffic and and tries to get into fights with semi trucks right like you should be afraid of that berserker mode bro what do you think we're trying to do here okay so toxoplasmosis fatigue yeah you can't be pregnant fatigue headaches uh let's see body aches fever swollen lymph nodes people who have a weak immune system may have worse symptoms these can include confusion blurry vision uh i don't i don't know if you want this no bro you're looking at the wrong way yo so like it's like an ancient parasite it's been around for millions of years

and cats are using it as a bio weapon like i have gonna like we got all gotta get with this like look this thing turns out i have long-haired tabby's which are basically bobcats like and like whatever this barn cat like like the father was a long-haired tabby which like who knows they definitely neutered it because it was just like like they wanted its kittens because their kittens are like 500 a pop which is crazy but i just ended up i found some of the barn which is crazy that's way too much wait you're gonna sell those $500 yeah you're gonna sell those cats this one's going to um my grandmother okay this going to a special friend of mine and one of them is going to my coach's girlfriend no i don't have a girl i girl i don't talk to girls okay uh

wait so billy hold on aren't cats like notoriously skittish i feel like cats are very fearful of everything well and french people too by the way that's why they lost all the war it's like everyone you just listed is doesn't have the good parts of toxoplasmosis well i think they're just not thinking of it right well look at these cats it's a bad mindset the friends have a terrible mindset wait so so billy but how is that an advantage so so the cat gives the mouse toxoplasmosis yeah and then the mouse how does it how but how does a cat give a mouse toxoplasmosis before it captures it poop pooping everywhere and then the mice are running around and then and then so then the mice are just like fuck you kitty cat fucking pussy oh i think i get it so it's

like so if i can relate this to pacman when pacman eats the proton dot that gives the ghost toxoplasmosis and they just wander into pacman pacman crushes them exactly okay okay got it so but from what i'm understanding you're thinking that you can like basically hack a disease so it's not the disease it's the mindset so like for instance if we're like hey billy we got this new disease called polio it's so sick you'll never like sprain your ankle again dude it's the placebo effect you'll never walk either but you'll never sprain your ankle because you can't feel anything no i mean no that's the that's the wrong type of disease let's say rabies okay rabies okay yeah what's a good rabies mindset dude like you have rabies and then you're like yo i have rabies it

means i'm an absolute psycho i'm gonna do like go do like superhuman stuff no uh uh uh uh you're well no it's a good point if you get rabies you're probably never gonna drown because you're terrified of water i might try to contract rabies before like rough and rowdy or something and just like go maybe why don't you just well i don't want to tell you what to do but it sounds like you just really want to do angel dust i know no i don't do what i don't touch drugs drugs because drugs are bad just cat drugs um yeah i have friends to do the drugs all right what else did you learn about toxoplasmosis anything um oh oh a lot of people in motorcycle accidents have it because think about bikers actually a lot of bikers have it and they have no idea

and they find it like it's ants i looked up it's ansidotal evidence that just assume just assume that these bikers who get in accident have toxoplasmosis because like like you know definitely had toxoplasmosis uh evo keneva yep evo keneva for sure all the guys in jackass yes stevo toxoplasmosis dude i'm working on my cult um everyone's gonna have toxoplasmosis they're gonna be donating blood like crazy working out like crazy just like housing meals and like drinking economically it's gonna be sick and it's all for like an awesome cause of fighting the blood shortage i love this i love this i i keep i keep trying to put together what the berserker blood cult is and what your total in goal is in this billy like do you want to be looked at as a leader

or do you want to be looked at as just one of many people in this cult one of many who are giving their blood to fight the blood shortage right now okay i got i have i have some bad news for you billy and this is just something i just googled real quick if you have toxoplasmosis you can't give blood for at least six months until you're cleared of it that's that's a little hiccup that's people who don't believe in toxoplasmosis okay all right all right that was written by a scientist with a terrible mindset right look at the total evidence which is uh yes okay good wait go back go back real quick to the bikers that like ansidotally they all have toxoplasmosis why why do they have such a high prevalence of it because the people who ride bikes are fearless

okay i got it so it's like it correlation does not equal causation statistics gosh okay okay um this is i love this i love this i'm in uh all right so billy you also have a mount rushmore for us right i got a bunch so we're gonna do my favorite megafauna extinct animals so megafauna you find a lot of megafauna today in africa but back in the day there used to be megafauna everywhere but what is megafauna is the megafauna megafauna is big ass like units of animals that used to roam the earth and the only ones that exist now are the ones in africa because they grew up with humans so they know how to deal with them whereas when we spread out and like went everywhere like they were like yo who's this guy and we were like yo we have spears swing like

just like and so then so like you had like huge woolly rhinos woolly mammoths giant sloths that were like huge and then we had giant birds and there was like smiley don like there were like lions in north america that were called like just like lions who like like the cold so then my favorite ones are cave bears or rocks which are like huge bulls that are sick toxodons which are basically like a hornless rhino and look like ride on the pokemon and then there's this last one sarcastodon which is like crossed between a like giant hyena bear wait his name sarcasted sarcastic don that sounds like a pokemon sarcastic sarcastic that sounds like a really really cool animal belly yeah dude that animal is awesome sick animal belly oh no it's

real holy sick week dude imagine you're wandering through like actually looks like a badass badger big cat oh it's like a bad sarcastic all right so give us your mount rushmore that uh sarcastodon toxodon cave bear or off oh that is a sick ass badger okay all right so make sure Liam that you got those that will throw on the mount flush more on the side billy this has been great man bro i've been i've been playing i've been playing warzone since nine a.m. this morning it's 4 30 okay i think what about that we're not that giant baby is that giant baby that's been going around the internet on megafa i want i want to find that baby and start putting creatine and whey protein in its like formula and then make it like an all pro left tackle i don't know why who's their parents like

why haven't you taken this baby and started doing like that's child abuse to not make this baby a laugh mm-hmm you it's child abuse to not be abusing this child yeah and putting it to work where else would you put this giant baby yeah like a powerlifter this is your sandra bullock this is the blindside 2.0 so we'll put the baby with my kittens i'll feed it train it like and then like this baby is going to be like it needs to start eating creatine and whey protein right now because like it's either going to be a powerlifter a left tackle maybe a detackle or he'll make more money at left tackle or you know or wwe wrestler but like he needs to be put on the stretcher now or he's not gonna you know where else are we gonna put this giant yeah it's actually gonna be worse for the

kid from a health standpoint if it doesn't become a professional athlete because you know how grading that would be on let's just say that you're a seven foot tall 350 pound dude walking around every time you meet somebody they're like oh what sport do you play yeah psychologically that would be devastating on you if you weren't a premier right no just giant giant i like it so now we're into breeding and talking about plasmosis i feel like this is this is going perfectly Billy's gonna kidnap a child and then uh take 50 percent of its career what else what else what else was uh the freaking oh i have a really good idea i want to i i need i can i have a small loan how small how much are we talking about enough to create a supplement line

guys who want to help other guys get jacked up and not lie to the rain city jacks yeah what we're gonna do is actually tell them like yo do you want to get a sick pump beta alanine arganine like and actually give it to them no fillers and then like we'll make crisis crisis fuel like legit like we'll get like meat protein we'll mix with taurine and then it's for guys it's for guys who are in crisis but want to maintain mass so like so like let's say it's like a pandemic of course but like for your average dude like finals like you're like studying all day in the library you can't really eat you're just drinking crisis fuel the whole time like road trips or like or what else what else um what other gaming gaming i mean thanksgiving i want to i want to make a beat this jerk you're

just saying words yeah what i just want to make a beef jerky with taurine in it a cat food so you can just stay maintain mass and stay jacked and everyone's abusing stimulants during all these times so we should just give them something healthy that keeps them jacked and keeps them energized okay so billy i like all these i like where your head's at we also need you uh to come up this week we're gonna have you do a twitch workout body weight for all the bros sweet all right berserker blood cult workout yeah body weight only everyone will tune in and what and we'll walk us through it they can only they gotta join my cult though because i don't want other people to know the secrets okay all right well maybe we'll hold off some secrets oh by tuning in you accepted mission

into billy's berserker you gotta get you and then you could and then billy we can do a capital call on all of the the people who tuned in yeah which means we can just take their money okay how much money are we talking about and define loan you give me money i make crisis fuel okay how much money do you need i need to run the okay run the numbers and tell us next monday i think you know what billy next monday's deep dive how about a presentation investors possibly you okay i i also have an app idea okay save it for monday we'll go next monday we're gonna do shark tank billy football version i have a ton of ideas i just come up with ideas okay so save them all for monday um thank you billy it's been great today two o'clock today billy we'll go for a war zone win all right part of my

take twitch there you go 2 p.m 2 p.m 2 p.m monday 2 p.m monday sweet all right we will see everyone on wednesday love you guys you stay in all the corner jay miss Winston down and no less such a fine sight to see no longer drinking paint the sinners now we're staying puking doves up on bourbon street back in a true breeze down in the biggies you fixed your eyes now time to fix the