Pardon My Take - Matt Barnes And Stephen Jackson, Celtics Up 3-0, Hank Recaps His Night With Tom Brady + US Open And Fyre Fest

Episode Date: June 14, 2024

Hank had a night of lifetime going to Tom Brady's retirement ceremony and being mentioned in the speech while the Celtics went up 3-0 in the NBA Finals (00:00:00-00:20:06). Luka got absolutely torched by Windy and it was well deserved after his pathetic second half on Wednesday Night (00:20:06-00:37:24). US Open and a spirited debate about Scottie Scheffler's haircut (00:37:24-00:49:56). Trevor Lawrence got paid (00:49:56-00:53:48). Oilers are down 3-0 and more details about Danny Hurley turning down the Lakers (00:53:48-01:11:38). Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson join us in studio to talk about their careers in the NBA, their podcast success, having too many crazy people on one team, coaching in the NBA and tons more (01:11:38-02:13:53). We finish with Fyre Fest of the week (02:13:53-02:31:00).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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induction speech while his Celtics were going up 3 0 on the precipice of winning their 18th banner. Today is his birthday. Oh, and just a little cherry on top, Bryson is his max bet for the US Open and he's like third. Hank, the whole world is just coming up Hank right now. I don't really know what else to say other than like we're just passengers in Hank's ride through the galaxy. I got something and I want to add one thing to it real quick he also saw a down-and-out appears

possibly homeless person wearing the handsome Hank Lockwood boxing shirt at a bus station in South Boston so it's been it's been quite a trip Hank my question for you is can you teach me your ways I mean I'm the luckiest guy in the world. There's really nothing to say other than, then I just pure luck, right place, right time. I don't really know why. I know I don't deserve it, but I just, I just am, you can't, I'm just lucky. I'm just lucky. There's really nothing else I can say. I definitely don't deserve it, but I'm just lucky. I'm just lucky. There's really nothing else I can say. I definitely don't deserve it, but I'm happy that I'm able to experience the things I'm able to experience and blessed. And you know, I thank you too. I thank Dave for, for, you know, everything

really, but I didn't actually want to answer here. I didn't want an answer. I don't know why this wasn't what I wanted. I just wanted to acknowledge it. I'm assuming Max took off his headphones, PFT. He took them off his ears and then Hank kept going and then gradually He just slowly took them off his entire head and put them down on the desk next to him He can't take it Hank is it's oh wait wait wait big cat big cat you forgot you forgot one thing the Red Sox beat the Phillies last night too Oh, yeah, yeah, we got another they're winning again tonight you fucking loser. Well he's actually not a loser. You call Hank a lot of things. You can call Hank a terrible golfer. Yeah I know. I know. I know. I know. Yeah he's

such a golfer. He sleeps too much. But he's not a loser. He's not a loser. No he's not a loser. Hank is a winner and that's why I want to know his ways. I mean, whatever he's been doing in his life has worked out so tremendously well for him that there's something that we can all learn from Hank. Hank, I saw you also tweeted out this morning that you are now as old as me and Big Cat were when we started part of my take, which made me feel extremely old. Out of all the things that have made me feel old in my late 30s, I mean late 20s, that is probably the number one.

Like thinking it in that terms really blows my mind. So I want to know, like when you started doing part of my take, did we feel old to you? Oh yeah. I was 22. So I don't know how you guys feel, but I like, obviously I live a Peter Pan basically lifestyle with his job, but I feel like time has just kind of stopped since we started the podcast. Like I, it's probably bad that I don't really like feel any different than I did when the podcast started, but I don't like,

I was 22 when the podcast started I'm 31 now, but I feel like I think in the exact same way as I did back then I'm just like a little bit better off in life. I feel the same way Hey there the other one PFT is my son is about to turn five Next week, so I've been a dad for more than half of this show. That's crazy too. Crazy. That's also nuts. That one fucked me up as well. But yeah, Hank being 31, the age that we started, it's just, I, yeah, I don't know.

He's still got his whole life in front of him. The guy just, whatever he, whatever, even when Hank is down for a little bit and he's been down before, I mean, he literally sucked. Nikki smokes cock on video last week, but it doesn't matter because it always just he'd always comes back. He always bounces back. He's the stock that everyone should have bought 10 years ago. I guess I kind of did. I guess we both did. Yeah, we did. We definitely and he just keeps you might have a bad quarter, but then it dividends just, I think that's the word,

just keep producing insane profits. I'm like the roaring kitty. It's like I like the stock. I like the honk. And I'm glad we invested in you, Hank. In the middle of the night last night, when you were on this heater, and I was getting ready to go to sleep, and you pointed out that not only had all these great things happen

But also that the Red Sox beat the Phillies and you didn't even know about it I thought to myself I should get out of bed and just fuck up all the slats in my bed frame because it might be the way that you're sleeping I don't know. I just want to be more like Hank. What can I say eat some spiders? Yeah, I Put a hole in my wall now. Okay, last things I would do want to talk about the game Hank. Then I want to talk about your night at Brady's retirement. The last thing I was wondering so you're such a winner Hank.

You're the ultimate winner. Comes the back end what no no, no, no, no, no, this is gonna be a back end. What would it feel like if, and I'm just saying any of us in this room, were the ultimate loser, but Hank, the ultimate winner, was our boss? That would suck, I would quit.

Cause we joke about Hank being our boss, PFT, he's not actually, he actually is Max's boss. What are we talking about? I thought we were talking about the game. I thought that's what you said you were going to do. It gives Max something to strive for, it gives him examples of what it looks like. You never want your subordinates to be better than your boss. So it's better for me to kind of show him the way and just give him something to strive for.

Like, I think that's like the best boss you can ask for. It's true. Right. It's a great book. Yeah, it's very good. And I mean, you're showing that you're not afraid to be a hands on boss either because the Celtics, what, four fifths of their starting lineup were at one time 76ers. So you're showing them how to take the same or could have been 76ers. You're you're taking the same ingredients and you're showing him this is this is how you assemble a winning culture and you can learn a lot from this. So I appreciate that about your boss ship

Hank. Max you have any he's not even he might might be the end of him. Because it really is incredible how much Hank wins and how much Max loses. And Max has to report to Hank. His job is in Hank's hands. It's actually a credit to you, Hank, that you do such great charity service by employing a guy like Max. Yeah, I mean, I just want to help him. Listen, no one roots for Max more than me. That's that's the thing that he doesn't realize that like I want him to get to this level. Like there's no one that's rooting for him. You don't be where I'm at more than you. I think we need to get Max like an emotional support animal, like somebody that's that's a bigger loser than him and that way he can shit on that person memes well memes also in the category of people that like probably

hate me but also has to post when i do good things on social media and i know he hates doing it but i love that it's so true it's a shame like it might feel bad. Yes, but not at all Thanks, okay, but yesterday's Post highlights of Tom Brady sucking off Hank Shut up big Dom There's nothing to do with this max we can talk about about that later. No, no, that was, that was a win for me. I got, I got, I got to get one of these wins every now and then. Oh, big Dom sent us some footballs. That was a way you got some merch. Big Dom's a legend. Hey, do you think Tom Brady would ever send

you some merch? Yeah, of course. Yeah. It was, it was, it was very cool seeing you guys meet them. And uh, I was, I was jealous because to have an athlete like that that You grew up idolizing to look back and look you in the eye and being like, thank you guys. That was great I love fights response, which was like dude shut the hell up. Yeah, it was so perfect. Yeah. No Tom Brady thanked Hank and Dave and Gaz and fights and fights first words to Tom Brady were no, you shut the hell up. Thank you. And it's yeah. So Hank, tell us, let's do that. And then we'll talk to Celtics game because memes did have to post all these highlights. You went to Tom Brady's retirement

ceremony for people who don't know the lore. Uh, when Tom Brady deflate gate, he got suspended. Dave fights Gaz and Hank, the Brady four went to jail for Tom Brady. They went and protested at the NFL office. Hank spent a night in jail literally for Tom Brady. So on Tom Brady's induction night last night they dressed up exactly like they dressed up when they went to jail. They got special seats like great seats given to them by Robert Kraft. They got to meet Tom Brady. So then take it away Hank. What was last night like. Yeah I mean it was it was a beyond surreal night. We obviously well first of all we parked like a mile and a half away and Dave had a parking pass but he didn't have it. So he's

like we'll just walk. So we it was a classic Barstool situation where we were walking like so far to get to the stadium, which was, which was funny. Cause then we just walked into the VIP red carpet area with all the players. We see Scott go Zolak, recurring guests of the show, absolute lightning rod. He's like, ah, like, you know, yelling at us, we go to check in and Zolak is asked the lady at the front desk, like, where am I sitting? And she said, oh, you're in, you know, the general, like you have a seat in the general area and then she's like oh Dave you guys are at table 31 there's 70 and so so like I was like what the fuck like how do

you guys have seats and I'm just saying like sitting with the regular people he literally broadcast the games and then waiting for the red carpet it was just all you know former Patriots players Gronk Edelman you know Randy Moss Williamots players, Gronk, Edelman, you know, Randy Moss, William McGinnis. And for me, like there was a bunch of surreal parts of it. But seeing Gronk and Edelman and like them just kind of coming up to us and dapping us up like we were players. And obviously we know him really well. Like that was crazy because they're you know, there it's a bunch of players

just hamming it up, saying what's up to each other. And they just walk past us like we're you know, Gronk. Oh, what's up? Like that be up. Give me a hug. Same with Edelman. Like that was insane to me, obviously, just like knowing, like felt like we felt like we were on the team. That was really cool. We did a red carpet interview with with Boston that I don't think aired. And and Dave, like Jason McCordy was or Devin McCordy was doing. We're going to have to figure out which one that was.

No, no, no, do not know Not getting cut Crazy crazy that you think I would cut that McCordy was doing the interviews and He asked Fiddleberg question. I wish I wish it aired so bad I've never seen Fiddleberg freeze like this in his life. Like he asked me, he's like, did you guys know you're going to jail? And I said, we thought we're going to get out in the same night.

We got arrested. The cop was like, hey, it's too late in the afternoon. You're going to spend the night. And we all kind of froze and looked at each other. We're like, oh, and then he asked Fiddleberg a question. And I think Fiddleberg was thinking about whether or not he could say shit because he was going to say the story about how I took a shit in jail. But he just froze so bad for like 10 seconds. Like he put the mic in front of him. But it was just, uh,

unfortunately that club never came out. I hope they posted cause it was so funny. Uh, and then yeah, we were just, we were just hanging out with like, you know, Patriots legends and everyone was coming up to Dave Bon Jovi came up to Dave. Like they were best friends. It was like, Oh Dave, when you come over for lunch? Like that was insane. The whole night was just beyond sane. And then we were sitting at the seats and someone came over and said like, Hey, I think you guys are in the speech. Cause when we met Brady too, he's like, you guys have really good seats right in the front row,

which should have tipped us off knowing that he knew where we were sitting. Cause he had been, you know, writing a speech and planning for it. Dave leaving was, was, was something was definitely something. And then when he, when he thanked you, we had the game on a phone, like we were watching it. And I think Dave tried to get it on his phone with YouTube TV and the, the region that said like, you're in the wrong region. And he just kind of was like, I got to watch watch like he just went from trying to get it on he couldn't get it on he's like I gotta watch the game I gotta go and Hank when he thank you we knew we were gonna be in the speech like we knew like we said he was

like if I if I wait till it ends it's gonna be crazy for me because people are gonna you know stop and talk which they were obviously all night like everyone was treating him like royalty so it would have taken him way longer to get to the bar where we knew like me, Gaz and Fiedelberg could kind of just run over there. So he was like, I'll leave and you guys just come after the thing. But even after he left, I was like, he's, we're going to get mentioned. Like he's going to get mentioned. He didn't know we were going to be in the

jumbotron, but we knew kind of beforehand that we were going to like, we had been told like you guys are in the speech Yeah, and when he thanked you you pulled an all-time power move Which was you stood up and you gave yourself a standing ovation. Yeah pump up the crowd Yeah, I saw myself. I mean the pop the fact that we got a pop there was you know different pops all night people came on The stage rainy moss by far the the best one it brought me to tears they had you know, they had change. Randy Moss by far the best one. It brought me to tears. They had, you know, they had off. They had defense come on and then they had some offensive players come on and they had the quarterbacks come on at different times to do like talking segments. And Randy

Moss came on. He started to talk and before he could even speak, everyone just started clapping. Everyone stood up, gave him like a two minute long standing ovation. He started crying. I was crying. It was a beautiful, beautiful moment. Question Hank. This moment where Tom Brady mentions you in his Patriots Hall of Fame induction speech again, parents, he mentions you. So that clip goes out. memes from your perspective. How is that having to post that? It's terrible Okay, great. Thank you memes Good numbers right like it got great great great views great engagement. Yeah, that's what the game is, right?

Yeah, you're right. You're right. It's part of the job. Okay. All right. You did every second of it. Keep going, Hank. It was, I just can't, it was insane the amount of players that, obviously I'm a fan and obviously this is a massive podcast and Barstool is a massive platform. So I shouldn't get surprised.

I've been doing it for 11 years. But as a fan of the team, the amount of people that were coming up to us, a massive platform so I shouldn't get surprised and I've been doing it for 11 years but as a fan of the team the amount of people that were coming up to us like you know Belichick sons and and Steve Piolli and I mean Scott Piolli I meant messing up everyone's names is bad cut that cut that cut that yeah cut that Scott Piolli just everyone coming up and dapping us up. Like we were just, you know, part of the team or part of the organization was, was beyond surreal and then getting the shout out at the top of the speech.

You said fans, and then he said the Brady four, and then he went into his family. Like he mentioned us right out of the gate. Uh, we were on the drum and drum. We got up. Yeah, we got it. We got a pop. I mean, when he was the, the, the camera angle got to yeah, we got it. We got a pop. I mean when he was the the camera angle You can't see my face thankfully when he was thanking us and obviously he's a professional He's probably like used to doing eye contact He was just looking straight at me and I did not know what to do like I was praying that he looked away because like he kept talking and staring at me and I was just like

Look away like please look away like this, please look away. Like this is, I can't, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I have a 31 year old and I acted like I was, I've never been more nervous or more excited in my entire life. Like I felt like a two year old, like it was amazing. Did you any producing? Is he going to come on the show? Yeah, we're in, we, we have a soft agreement. We have, we, we've got, we're in tie. We have a soft agreement. We have we got we've got a we've got a tentative date I'm not gonna worry. We don't do that on the show, but we Have we've got verbals. Okay verbals. All right, so there's a word verbals good job So I did see the fucking lighthouse. It looked like shit. Oh

No, no, it looked like dog the picture of you in front of the lighthouse was true You had so much face paint on it looked like gas put your face paint on for you Yeah, I kept rubbing my face and then forgetting I had face paint on and then like wiping off my white shorts, which was dumb There's a little bit of a messy a messy messy evening. I'm just jealous I'm just saying Sammy J the comedian was at our table. She was funny as fuck bill burr absolutely brought the house down Jay-z performance Kenny Chesney performance. It was just, it was magical. Your winner. All right. So, and then, um, next topic, the Celtics are up three Oh and the Mavs, uh,

Luca has gone out as sad as sad could be. Just a tough, it's a pathetic second half by Luca where there was that two possessions in a row where he took back to back threes and tried to get a foul call and then just didn't go back on defense. That was so, so sad and just like bad basketball, like terrible to watch. And he ends up fouling out and then complaints about the refs afterwards. Brian Winnhorst, our guy, Wendy absolutely eviscerated him on Scott Van Pelt afterwards, basically saying he has to mature.

He has to get better. He has to stop doing these things that are hurting his team, which are all facts. Like Luca is the third best player in the NBA. There's still a lot of things that are just, Oh Hank, okay. We don't want to do this again. Hank, you want to do this again, Hank? Let's not do this again. Let's not do this again. I do agree with Hank that Jalen Brown, Jalen Brown, it was, was Jim Brown scored 24 points in the second half. He was incredible. Like a phenomenal Celtics team. I it's crazy because that blowing that

it's crazy to watch a team mature to a point where you can actually still see their past in their present in the fact that they blew, they almost blew a 20 point lead, which is something that a couple of years ago, Hank, you would agree. They would have actually blown the 20 point lead. So you can see the past happening and then you can see them being like, no, wait, that's not what we do anymore. We're just going to win this game and execute down the stretch. And Jalen Brown's going to hit a big jumper to ice the Mavs out at home.

And you could see it all happening at the same time. They asked Derek White about that after the game. Like is Joe Mazzulli, do you think he's happy? The fact that you guys keep coming close to getting beaten and then you just put your foot on the gas and crush them. And Derek was like, yeah, he's a sicko. So I think he probably does enjoy this. Like he's showing them the videos of dudes getting choked out, almost choked out and

fighting back. Mazzulli is definitely enjoying those types of wins too. And I think you are right. Like you can see Joe Jitsu. Yeah. Oh, I like that. Joe Jitsu. You can see like the matured better shirt than your Ruth.

The truth. Yeah. You're wearing it. Okay. What about the dryness? The dryness. Yeah. Drom Brady or our good friend, Donnie, or for July. Yeah, or for July.

Pretty good. May the wharf be with you. There's a lot of good shirts we can sell Hank when you inevitably win. But big cat, you brought up Brian when or and his his evisceration, his ether of Luca and you saw him. I don't know if you guys watch this live. I was standing up in my basement like fist bumping like I'm watching Arsenio because when he didn't, he didn't tell any lies in that you could, you could make the argument. Some of it was personal,

but it was all a hundred percent correct. I think my favorite part was when he pointed at the tunnel and he goes, see that tunnel right there. That's where the winners walk and you're never going to be over there. And then later on, he said that maybe some of the, I have the quote right here, maybe over the summer, somebody will get to him because nobody with the Mavericks or anybody else in his life has. And that's why the Mavericks are at this point. They'll never get to this tunnel with the trophy

if he doesn't improve. And he was spot on, like, Luca crying about fouling out of the game on the dumbest foul to take and yeah It was like it was borderline, but it was still a dumb dumb position to put yourself in And then and then right afterwards screaming at his own bench to be like you better fucking challenge that Then they do challenge it and then they lose that challenge and then after the game. He's still blaming the refs. It's Luca He's a baby back bitch. He was being a baby back bitch last night and after the after he demands that they challenge that one the next play

or the set maybe a play after that. I think it was a PJ Washington screen. Yeah. That one could have been challenged and probably would have been overturned. Yeah. But they burn the challenge because Luca was complaining. And I love watching Luca play basketball, but that was one of the, like, you can't defend what he did in game three. Like that was pathetic. And, and like Wendy said, he will hopefully mature from it and get better. And like, this will be because look, you're seeing it right now on the other sideline, the Celtics are the mature team. Like there have been moments where Tatum and Jalen Brown, they've had moments where you're like,

this team lacks that killer instinct of maturity. They had to go through the wars to get to that point where they are a championship caliber team, a championship winning team that's going to be up there with some of the greatest teams ever when you look at their record. So it does take, that's one of my favorite parts about the NBA is the wars that it takes for teams like you can see it throughout the history of the NBA. You have to go through

the struggles to climb over the mountain. Lucas right now getting shit on and rightfully so I wouldn't sell my Lucas stock but that was pathetic last night. Yeah it was really bad and it got so bad that even Mavs fans They were like we can't we can't defend this you can't it was bad. It's better those that Back-to-back series. It's actually you we can't Luca this. Yeah, we can't defend We know we we can Luca this we can Luca this we're gonna Luca this right now meaning we're not gonna defend it We're not gonna defend it. Yeah, and on those back-to-back We're not going to defend it. We're not going to defend it. Yeah, and on those back-to-back

Threes that that he missed and then flopped on at least one of which led to a quick basket at the other end The flops were just they were insane It looked like he got hit by by a train in mid-air so stupid So he would he would take the shot and then go fully horizontal and then Bitch at the referees for about 40 feet and be like, oh shit. I got to play defense Oh, it's too late to play defense. It was bad and There there compilations. We've reached Luca compilation season where you were now able to take these three games and to put together a highlight reel of Luca's perimeter defense and just watch how bad it's been how bad he's getting blown by now

You could make your shut up for this part. We're talking. Max, can you meet Hank real quick? Cut Hank's mic. You have enough going on. You can't like just let us talk about Luca for a minute. Yeah. Okay.

So now I forgot where I was because Hank interrupted me to join the dog pile. Oh, yeah, the compilation, the compilation of his defense. You could make the argument that their defense is designed with Luca in mind where he's going to get blown by. And then you've got Derek Lively and some other guys down there that are quick to pick up a guy that's driving, but it also throws off the entire rotation where you get two passes. Now you've got an open three. And so his defense isn't just about a guy getting past him

and getting to the basket, but it makes everybody else on defense have to work so much harder and still lose. Well, and I, I'm not even like Lucas defense, we know it's not elite is offenses, but more than just Lucas defense, it's just more of a testament to the Celtics having no holes. They don't have a guy who can you can sag off of they don't have a guy that you can basically say we're going to ignore them. They don't have a guy that you can put your worst defender on and say he's going to be okay. They have top to bottom guys that can get their own bucket. They can make a three pointer that can defend on the other end. And that's why they're the they're going to be the champions of the NBA probably some,

you know, tonight. And, and that's a testament to them more than like, as much as last time was about Luca, I don't want to just have it be all like shit on Luca. It's also the Celtics are just that much better and they're that good of a team. You know what I mean? Yes. There, there. I, can I say one tweet that I saw that was I thought very funny that and I love Wendy. I love love Wendy, but I I'm going to say it and I love Wendy. One person did

quote, he said, damn, that's fat on fat crime. And I laughed. It's a good point. I laughed a little bit. It's a fair point. That's more of a shot at Luca, by the way. But listen, don't don't go at Wendy. Wendy said nothing wrong. Wendy, in fact, Wendy, people don't realize how powerful Brian Windhorse is. I would make the argument that LeBron is just a Wendy merchant. That Wendy made LeBron, not the other way around.

I'm legitimately happy for Wendy in the second part of his career when everyone thought that all he could do was cover LeBron and he is because he does this every now and then where he will go hard on someone and it will always be facts and you you don't see it that often in traditional journalism in traditional sports media because everyone wants their access. Everyone wants to be friendly with the with the players. I mean, we're literally walking, that's what we do. But Wendy, when he decides that he's gonna go for it, it's always factual and it's not malicious or personal.

It's just this is what has occurred and this is what needs to be fixed. And I love when he does it because there's very few guys that have the balls to do what Wendy did. Yeah Yeah, he was right and Hank, um, you can rejoin the conversation. Uh What were your thoughts on last night? I mean that was Even in the first the first six minutes of the game. I thought that this was going to be the mav's night Like they came out

Uh, and they were up like 13 Like they came out and they were up like 13 and then it felt like there was a weird shift in the universe and it happened to coincide with Max trying to run up the score on you via text message four minutes into the game, which was just watch one NBA game. Max, you were also joining in barely, barely. I said the Tatum three when Tatum shot that shot, he hit 17 pieces of the rim. And then you said, oh no, Max, you should give him updates. Yeah, because I want to see you fail all the time. No, no, no, you were a part of that. How many updates did I give? Just as many as I did, because the Celtics gave back.

That's a lie. That's a lie. Go look at it. I started to give good Celtics updates. The only update I gave was the Tadum. This is hard to hear. Find me the updates. What I say? I said the Tatum shot because that was a funny shot. It hit like 17 parts of the rim. Yeah. It was, I mean, again, the first quarter to your point, it was, it was text messages off the Yang. And then I started watching the game and they almost instantly started coming back. The first text I saw was from Max to Hank. He says, drink a water. Well, that was at like two o'clock when he was like, Oh my God, you know how text messages were. Okay. This is from Max seven 50. Hey Hank, I don't know if you can Well that was at like two o'clock when he was like, Oh my God.

Okay. This is from Max seven 50. Hey Hank, I don't know if you can watch the game, but do you want me to give you updates? Big cat probably should just to be safe. Me. My cable is down. Can you tell me? That's PFT. I did the same thing. We're like, we want totally down. Yeah. We want Max to get going. Hank says I have them. So I think that's Hank saying he doesn't need updates max as well the Mavs look pretty good they're currently up 13 they look good a lot of game left hey true there was a lot of game last Hank yeah I'm aware max six-point game a lot of game left Hank

big cat Tatum just hit a swish three, so pure. Max. That was the one that bounced on everything. So pure, don't think it touched the net. Hank, nice. Max, two point game, Hank, no quit. And then... I told you, I was giving you positive updates. And then like ten minutes later, Celtics won, congrats Hank, but Hank is spelled H-A-B-K. So I gave one update.

But none of my updates were done. I only gave one negative update You factor fiction you started texting Hank being like because I thought it was gonna be the Mavs night, too But you started taking texting Hank when they were up 13 and the crowd was rocking and you're like, this is gonna be awesome Yeah, no. Well, I will also Hank was having such a good night. It was such bullshit. Oh, after Max said, drink a water, Hank says, I didn't even get drunk tonight. I drove. High on life.

Either way, yeah. I got back, yeah, I got back, my phone died, so I didn't really have my phone. I drove like an hour home, finally got home at midnight and was just basking in all of the clips and highlights and tweets and stuff. And then before, so probably that took an took an hour before I went to bed. I just went on the score app and I had no idea the Red Sox were even playing

the Phillies and seeing the score that the Red Sox beat the Phillies just was a cherry on. Phillies were all five to one. And I tweeted that this is going to be the best team of all time. It's hard to keep track of all of Hank's dubs. And then they got smoked. The only the only other game thing that I noticed, of all time. It's hard to keep track of all of Hank's dubs. And then they got smoked again. The only other game thing that I noticed, I was watching some of the replay before we

recorded because I was watching on my phone basically till the fourth quarter and I was watching in a bar so it wasn't as fully locked in. When the Mavs came back, Jason Kidd called the timeout when they had all of the momentum. I think they were, they got cut the lead to three and he called the time out for seemingly no reason. And, and that was kind of it. Like the Celtics, the Luca, I think fouled out right after that. And the Celtics pulled away. They also should have called the foul a loose valve, a loose ball foul. And he just ran over Jalen Brown. They didn't.

You got the illegal screen, which was a horrendous call and they had been letting everything go all night and that ended the game. The Celtics were on their heels. Yeah, I mean he put his shoulder into the guy's neck but yeah they also didn't, that was a makeup call. He did have an illegal screen that they basically did the same play coming down the court of possession before they didn't call it and they probably told him like don't do it again

he did it again they called it. So is it a makeup is it a makeup foul or did he put his shoulder into his neck both the it the Celtics did it was it was bizarre they were cruising that third quarter they were cruising and they were just driving and getting to the rack you know kicking out for open threes and then there was a six minute stretch where they just stopped doing that playing with their food vintage. Yeah. Vintage old stuff. It was crazy. You just watching it being like you guys were doing something that these maps could not stop. And then you just decided to stop doing

it. And then they did it at the end and Jalen Brown will probably be the finals MVP. Would you say him Him or Drew? I think it's probably like 60-40 Jalen Brown, but I think game four could swing it either way. To who? Like if Jason Tatum goes off for like 40 or triple double or something. No shot. He's shooting like 8%. Absolutely a shot. He has a shot. If you look at the odds, Max, I think Las Vegas knows a little bit better than max Las Vegas has him. What are the odds?

I think that he's the second most likely to get in the at what at getting MVP But what but at what odds look I can pull it up right now. It's not that far. It's not that crazy But right now I think it's a triple. Yeah, Jillian Brown has an average game. He'll get it I got a Jalen Brown that that second half like that. He took over Oh, did you see when um when they were reviewing the challenge when Luca was fouling out? there was a moment where Luca was just staring at the referee and you could see the look on his face like oh Fuck I shouldn't have talked all this shit to referees my entire career Yeah, because do you know it was know, do you know who I am?

Like him saying like, Oh, you're going to give me six fouls in the finals. Like dude, you gave you fouled six times, probably more. And the ref, the ref that's reviewing it, I'm not saying that he's going to like hold something personal against Luca. And if it's not a foul, call it a foul. But if it's close, fuck them. Yeah. I, it's our Luca flow chart that we we said a week ago if he hits a shot

it'll yell at someone in the crowd and Flex and stare at them and if he misses a shot, it'll be like I got fouled And start screaming at the ref and slowly get back on defense. That's that's how it goes every single possession It works and and we should uh We should maybe lay off Luca for a second because I think that there's something else that we need to discuss Maybe that the reason Why Luca is being the way that he is and a guy named Baker Baker Baker pointing this out on Twitter Luca hasn't won a game or really played well at all since they took the beer out of his hand

After the else Michael Finley. Yeah the Western Conference finals Luca had a beer Finley walks by sees Luca drinking a beer in the celebration Grabs it out of his hand walks away and Lucas just standing there hanging his head you got to let Luca drink let the man have a beer well he's had good games he just sells are better yeah I mean he game two he was awesome yeah one he was good yeah first quarter in that one yeah he's played well but I I'm more colored by the last the last half that I saw him play and how bad it was.

It was pathetic. All right, Jalen Brown's minus 280, Jason Tatum's plus 250. So yeah, it's gonna be Jalen Brown. Thank you to DraftKings. Okay, let's talk some other things. Anything else, Hank? You're about to raise a banner 18 and shave your head. Yeah, I'm excited. Great time to be alive. Okay, great. You guys. Uh, us open. We have

a Patrick Cantley in first or no Rory's time. Correct. Roy's tied with him. Uh, people mad about what, what, what, what do they keep saying borderline the board the course is borderline yeah other big notes I had from this is Brooks having his text interview was one of the funniest things I've ever read if people missed it Brooks skipped his media today after the round and Iman Lynch texted him a golf reporter basically being like hey you skipped your interview would you would you want to do an interview over text and Brooks said sure go ahead fire away and they went back and forth and it

was very funny because Brooks essentially was like you guys asked really boring questions about the course and oh you know when you bogeyed that hole do you think you should have shot something different? And they went back and forth and back and forth. And Brooks was just brutally honest, and it was very funny, including, I'm gonna read my favorite part. Well, one, Iman tried to correct Brooks. He said, your instead of your,

so, you know, Y-O-U-R instead of Y-O-U-R-E, and Brooks just said, thanks, dad, back to him. But he, he mon was like, oh, you're, you know, you're trying to feel bad for yourself. You got a pity party. What are you going to do after this? And Brooks, I'm going to try to find the exact clip. Oh, he tried to tell him he asked him if he was going to take a nap.

And he said, no, that's my son. I'm not going to take a nap. And then the best line that Brooks had was, uh, Jenna's working out and I'm doing my routine, have a dip in and I'm going to get ready for the hockey game. And, uh, I want more of these Brooks interviews via texts. I feel like he's way more honest. Go pees. He might as well answer it all with go peas. Yeah. Start texting texting before each after each round. Yeah, I get really really undercut the mainstream media. I love how Brooks was just like, well, your questions aren't creative enough. And he's like, OK, so what what kind of uncreative questions are you be?

What's the most creative question that you've been asked? And the best example that he had was somebody asked me about the grass. Yeah. What do you think about Bermuda grass? Yeah, it's it was a perfect back and forth because I don't think like Brooks wasn't being mean. It was just he's like, Yeah, I didn't really want to do the interview. You guys asked the same questions. What do you want me to do? And the guy was kind of pushing back and I think it was like a funny back and forth. I liked it. And we need more of it. People are people can be a little bit meaner via text and they can face to face. Yeah, it worked out well. But Rory played very well today. Max played okay. Yeah, Rory

now that Rory's he's back. He's totally back. The relationship has been mended. That was news that came out like last week. What? Yeah, yeah, he's not getting divorced. That was a fake. That read like a fake golf thing. No, yeah, he's not getting divorced anymore. I thought that was a fake. They called off the divorce. That read like a fake golf thing. No, we should have known this. Nobody melts down like a golfer that's going through a divorce. That's just, it's always.

If you go through a divorce, you lose like five strokes off your game. But now that he's back, he's having the makeup sex. And the makeup sex is propelling him to get in the hole. Wait, so he essentially said he was gonna get divorced so that he could go hook up with a couple chicks for like a month? Who knows? What a move! A fake divorce? Are you saying it was a fake divorce maybe? No, I'm saying he probably had intentions of divorcing and then hooked up with

some chicks. I was like, nah, actually, I don't really, I'm good. Yeah. He started dating one crazy chick. Yeah. Like I'm good. I'd rather. Yeah. I'd rather just have my family. Well, he's been out of the game for a long time, right? They got married a while ago, 10, 15 years, something like that. So the games changed a lot since then. He's probably not equipped to handle sexting. Married in 2017. Not even close. Oh, I would even they were together for a while before that.

I thought I'm not I'm going to be honest. I'm not a big I'm not really up on Rory McRoy's love life. I'll be I'll hand up that's a sports story that I've missed. You guys see his final pot? Yeah, I'll hand up. That's a sports story that I've missed. Did you guys see his final putt? Yeah, he walked it in. It was sick. It was insane. He walked it in with like five feet to go and it never had a doubt. Hank, I also want to say that it's a little cool that we played mid-putts.

Thank you. You're welcome. You're welcome. A couple times today I was watching. I was like, Oh, I remember that hole. 10 miles away. Yeah. No, but there was a couple of times where I saw it in the straw and I was like, Hmm, what would I do? Oh, I actually did it. Driver off the deck. Yeah. That's what they should do here. Same soil, the same grass. I could answer to Iman's questions about the grass. I actually was green. There's just so much, a lot of green talk. It's all

about the green. I saw someone saying that mid pines are the greens better than pine hearse to that pine hearse to isn't even close to the best pine hearse. I think there's only one way to find out. I think we have to go to pine hearst and play them all and rank them. Not rush more. This was from Mark Calvecchia. He was a pro golfer. He said, no, I'm ready for some abuse. Just going to spit it out. Pine hearst is such a cool area with great courses. Number two, ain't one of them most overrated course in the world. Let me have it. But it's true. And then a bunch of people replied and were like, yeah, one in four are better. Mid Pines is better.

And I was sitting there pumping my fist and like, that's us. We played Mid Pines. I agree. I think Mid Pines is way better. Way better. Way tougher. Better. Better test. Yep. I love the test talk. Whatever they say. It's a great test what they've done out here. None of us. USGA. None of us shot 500 at mid pines. No. No. And they're just bending this course over. But I hope that the scores don't stay this low. I hope the course comes out a little bit. It's going to bake out later on this week, right? Yeah. It's going to get harder.

Can it become more borderline? I- Farmer. No, I think it goes over the line. it's border if it's it's more anything more borderline is officially over the line Right, that's what I was thinking, but i've only heard people say borderline Right, but it could then get yeah over the line I need to be over the line. I would like to go over the line Uh, yeah brooks said that when uh When he said so if we hear anyone say the course is borderline

and they're just whining said, no, I don't think they're whining. The US Open always comes close to the line. It's just a matter of does it get crossed? I want it to get crossed. Cross that line. I want to get it crossed. Yeah, well, I'm excited. It's a good leaderboard to start. We also had our 20 minutes of Tiger, where everyone like, Oh, my God, look at him. He's doing it. And then he wasn't. But it was fun. He's around. It's Tiger. Yeah, got to see his name for a little bit. Scotty play like ass today. Well, Scotty. And this is how you know when Scottie does his interviews and he says,

you know, all I care about is my wife, my family, my relationship with God. Like none of this matters to me. I'm just a regular guy. Most of the time when athletes say stuff like that, I think it's just a little cliche. They're putting on thick. Scottie's haircut. He it's just a little cliche. They're putting on thick Scottie's haircut It's the facts. He he only cares about those things cuz I don't know who cut his hair before But did you guys see it? Well, I thought he looked good. Did you see this sideburns though? Yeah He got a nice hand all fucked up. Yeah, that's how you know, you're golfing when you wait, right? He doesn't care though

That's how you know you're a golfer. When you... He doesn't care though. That's my point. There's no way that you go out looking like that if you care about other things like looks and everything else. All right. So I thought the exact opposite of you with his haircut. I thought Scotty definitely cares now. Scotty cares about his appearance. He's trying to get his swag up.

I thought he looked good. He got the nice skin tight fade. And when you're a golfer that spends that much time out in the sun, and you not only have the hat tan line, but you've got the tan line from where all your hairs normally are on your head. And then they cut them too close, and you got that little bit of white back there.

Yeah, he kind of got the little bit of Hank on the sides. He got the skin-tight fade. Yeah, I thought he looked great. No, but it's the opposite with his sunburn and the lack of color there because it means that he probably got a haircut last night and no one gets a haircut right before the tournament. You know, everyone knows a haircut takes at least like five to seven days to settle it. Right, but you're proving my point because Scottie's never been a haircut guy.

And then this is the first time. This is the first time where he's like, I'm going to look good at the U S open. So I'm going to get my haircut the day before I play. Meaning he's caring about all that other stuff now. No, it's, it means that he doesn't even think about like he, when you get a haircut right before the U S open, he doesn't, he's not even thinking about it. He literally was just like, oh, I need a haircut. It doesn't matter what day it falls. I don't care what I look like.

No, I think he got the haircut to look good. He doesn't look good though. I think he looks okay. He looks good. But that's what he was thinking. Yeah, yeah. It was an attempt to look good and he's never been a swag guy so he doesn't have the experience to know that he's got to get that haircut three days before.

No, he just- And he went to jail. Like he's got that he's got that jail swagger. Like he does have a little bit of bad boy flair. He's like, I gotta get a fade now. Yeah, there's no way you guys you guys looked at his haircut and thought it looks good with the way with the way the tan lines have worked out. I thought I thought the attempt at looking good.

It perked me up. I was like, wow, Scottie's guys got I don't think it's an attempt at looking good because he's got a wife. She could be like, hey, it looks bad. He just doesn't care. That's the whole point. He doesn't care. I respect a fade always. So it wasn't even a feat. It's there's actually an official U.S. Open barber named Monty the barber.

He got to my point. He got a soft free tiger. Tommy Fleetwood, I'll show you guys right now. Named Monty the barber. He cut the hair. That's more to my point! He literally saw free haircuts! Tommy Fleetwood, I'll show you guys right now. The man saw a free haircut. No, I think... I think he saw the guys on tour that have style and he's like, I want to use their barber. No, he got a free haircut! No, this guy goes to every US Open since 2010.

I understand, but it's a free haircut. You don't get a haircut from so no one. How do we know it was free? No one who cares about Tiger have hair? No, he doesn't. He's just hanging on. Tiger calling out that news reporter was like, doesn't get Tiger.

Tiger has my name to that story. I want Tiger Woods to be in the story. Tiger being in there is just completely wild. No one gets, if you're trying to look good, you don't get a haircut from a guy you don't get a normal haircut from. Unless you're a guy that's never been a haircut guy and you're only using the dude to cut all the other players. He's gotten a haircut before.

This is his first haircut. Yeah, he does look great. And I guarantee these guys pay for it. I mean, they probably tip. This guy's getting to cut Monty the barber. You can't tell me Scotty cares about what he looks like if he's getting a free haircut the day before the US Open. I think he had a moment where he did care what he looked like,

and he fucked up by getting it too close. Yeah, the Oilers just scored. Wait, so you're admitting that it's a bad haircut if you say he fucked up. I think it's a, it's not. You just proved my point. I didn't prove your point. You said he fucked up. No, I said that he might have gone too close because he's never been a haircut guy. I appreciate

the attempt by Scotty, but at the same time I'm like, Scotty's trying to look stylish. It's, it's not, it did not look great. The Oilers maybe have a chance here for three. Either way, that was a lot of Scotty Shaffer haircut talk. I think, I think the people will bear me out on this one. I think that Scotty was, he was trying to do something might not have worked out, but he made an attempt. Oh, I, he does not care. He does not care what he looks like.

I mean, he looks like a 50 year old man and he's 26 He that he cares about God his wife and golf and he doesn't really care about golf like he does But he doesn't because he'll say that after a round if he doesn't play well, he's like I just care about God and my wife Haircuts are very low on his list of things that he cares about Alright we had Trevor Lawrence got a new contract. $275 million. Thoughts? Whenever quarterback signs a big contract, I always like to just jump ahead and think about the next contracts that are coming. That's what you have to do when a quarterback

signs for big. It's like who gets more money now. Dax going to get 300. Oh, I cannot wait for the Brock Purdy discourse. Yep. I can't wait for that contract to come up. Because, I mean, he's basically Jason Tatum, so he's a really, really, really good quarterback in the regular season. Hasn't won the big one yet.

Not necessarily the best player on his own team. But you're gonna have to pay a quarterback, right? Yep. Yeah, I mean, this is... I still think Trevor Lawrence is a good quarterback. He had a bad year. And you just, this is, when you think that you have the guy, and he might be the guy, but you have to pay him.

This is just the cost of doing business in the quarterback world. Just keeps going up and up and up. And we won't make excuses during the regular season. But after it's over, I think we can say that Trevor Lawrence was one of the more injured quarterbacks throughout the course of the season, just in terms of trying to play through stuff. It came out a little bit.

But he's still a very good quarterback. And I would love to have a quarterback on my team locked up for the long term. We have better quarterbacks. I'm just saying, if Jaden Daniels was as good as Trevor Lawrence, even at that low bar of my expectation for Jaden Daniels, I'd say lock him up. Hank, would you take Drake May or Trevor Lawrence? Trevor Lawrence. He said it. I think for sure I take Caleb. No questions. Not even a hesitation.

Hangs sucks. We do need to max. We do just need to get to the fall because he'll stop talking. Someone someone tweeted someone, someone tweeted last night, which I don't, that mine. I want it to happen. What if, what if, uh, Drake may is the, is the Jason Tatum of of you know a Markel Foltz like the draft he was third pick so he'd never be that so Drake may would never be the best player on the Patriots yeah I mean if they're winning championships who cares okay that's the Patriot way I learned that last night

over and over and over again wasn't about how great Tom Brady was was how great he was as a leader he showed up up every day. He recognized everyone's name. So yes, that means it was about how great Tom Brady was. Yeah. I'm pretty sure it was about how great Tom Brady was. But all the players talked about how great he was. How great he was, yes. As good as he was as a football player, he was a better guy. And that really stuck with me. But that's still Tom Brady being great.

And I very much disagree with that statement. Tom Brady is one of those people who you can absolutely say he's a better football player than he is person. I disagree. How could you disagree? Well, Hank's basically his family. Did he try to make out with you? It's not a slight on him. Hank was staring at me though pretty hard. Well, Hank's basically his family. Did he try to make out with you?

It's not a slight on him, Hank. He was staring at me though pretty hard. He was looking through my soul. You think Tom Brady is at the top like 0.0001% of people? Human beings. 100%. Nothing to do with that. He's not even the best person ever. Who's the goat person? Oh, goat person.

Brady. Not Van Pelt. Possibly, possibly John Daly. Who is the goat person? Oh, go pretty. Maybe help possibly possibly John Daly. Yeah, Bill Walton. Okay. The other challenge now. Shout out to a pug. Shout out. Way to go.

I also got tickets to the Cubs game that has been resolved. Oh, I had a pug is pug is now our official plug. He's he's pug the plug. And if you need anything, you just ask. And then and then he'll ask for you. He'll find the right person. Get it for you. Yes, absolutely. All right. So we're watching the last minute.

Forty nine of the Oilers Panthers game. I really would love for the Oilers to tie this up so that we could get this would be such a bummer if we got two sweeps. I know. Yep. Shut up Hank. It's so quick PFT. Like I actually was happy for him yesterday and and I love Hank and it's his birthday and I love the guy. But as soon as I see him and he starts opening his mouth, it's like I don't know why I say I love it. We just have to wait for football season. Yeah,

this might be the most hated show of all time. I realized I talked more in the beginning of the show than I've ever talked about in this show's history. And I think the reviews and readings are going to show that that's fine. We just got to get to we got to get to September. We just got to get to we got to get to September. McGregor USC canceled. Yep. It felt like this was going to happen.

Yeah. Yeah, that sucks. Probably should have known when era verse Jerry Projocca. Nailed it. We probably should have known. We probably should have known this was going to happen when McGregor was at the club like four weeks ago. Like beyond fucked up up and oh no, not an empty net or goal. We should have known at that point.

I think PFT. Yeah, it seemed like it for a while and when they're delaying when they're canceling press conferences and wayans getting delayed and shit, it just it felt like it was never gonna happen. I want to know what actually went down though. Yeah, do they have some sort of reality show that's following UFC around? I saw some clips of Dana White. I saw that clip where they told John Jones that he was out for a year and that was that seemed like his behind the scenes camera. That might have been a rerun to that could have been Yeah, well, no, it's for injury. Oh, for suspension. Yes. Yes. You see the writers really went when fucking dummy with that one. Yeah. Uh, all right. I had two last things. Uh, one was Dan Hurley did a long interview with Matt Norlander from CBS and I wanted to share just

a couple of quotes with you guys cuz I thought it was very funny. The first one, so it was just talking about his entire process, the whirlwind, everything that happened. The first one was he was asked, did you seek out or try and seek out Mike Sheshevsky at all? Because he turned down the Lakers 20 years ago under different circumstances. Dan Hurley said no, I was so overwhelmed at a know, I was a little paralyzed. I appreciate Dan Hurley basically saying that was him saying I knew that what Coach K was trying to do here, and I wasn't going to talk to the

guy who was trying to set me up. So that was nice. The other one that was great was he was talking about the process and running into people throughout it. Talked to a great story about how outside the Billy Joel concert, he saw a woman that he, her husband, they were best friends growing up. And the woman was like, you're not LA, you're Jersey, you can't do this, you can't leave. Anyway, Matt Norlander said, wait, you were eating breakfast out in LA

and people were coming up to you? And he said, yeah, driving by on bikes and double taking you yelling something about the Lakers, like walking out of the workout room at the hotel the day I was meeting with them after getting my cardio in literally rounding the corner. And there's a med student, a Yukon student who's there as part of a bridal party who's bending the corner, and almost knock into her. And we kind of

make eye contact. We both keep walking and then she recognized me and comes back says, Hey, coach, I go to Yukon. Don't go. I'm here for a wedding. You're not going. Are you? I know why you're here. It was weird. Just weird, weird stuff. Billy football's interaction is definitely one of those weird, weird things. He's one of the people yelling stuff at you. Yes. Yeah, that's one of his I was out there just trying to have a mimosa and tank a job interview. And next thing I know, I got this guy says his professional boxer with hands that could kill a man. And he's asking me questions about if I'm going to take the Lakers job and I just look at him and told him to be quiet.

Next thing I know, I'm getting linked to this job. Next thing you know, it's being reported. I and then the last one I wanted to say, which made me laugh. He was asked about the Billy Joel concert and the reporter asked, I want to stick on two more questions with Billy Joel concert. One, did you know who Trey Anastasio was when he came on? Were you remotely aware of the rarity of what was happening there? Any thoughts of Trey's guest spots with Billy? And Dan Hurley said, I was not. I had no idea who that was. So Fish, he's a guitarist for Fish. I love that. I don't want Dan Hurley said I was not I had no idea who that was so fish. He's a guitarist for fish

I love that. I don't want Dan Hurley to know who fish is. Mm-hmm It's fucking perfect that he had no idea who Trey was Yeah, that's classic coach shit where they don't like when Belichick used to not understand what snapface or the other one was I forget What he called like Instagram, but yeah, I want my coaches to be as completely untethered from nature as possible. Right. Just absolute psychos. I have a theory that I've been mulling over today about this whole Dan Hurley thing. See if you can follow me on this one or if I'm just being like way over my skis. ESPN announced today that JJ Reddick was now interviewing with the Los Angeles Lakers for

the head coaching position. Call me crazy, I think I read something about that like a week and a half ago when Shams reported it. Dan Hurley and Woj are great friends. Do you think that there's any chance that Woj was pissed off that Shams beat him to a Lakers story and then he called the Lakers and was like what if you interview Dan Hurley I can get him on the phone that way Wode's could get Dan Hurley out to LA report that then after that was over

Wode's could then break the news about JJ probably taking the Lakers job okay I like the thinking it's a free- thought. My only question would be why would the Lakers willingly get embarrassed publicly for just what would you might have set this whole thing up? Maybe what? But they didn't know the Lakers were about to hire JJ Reddick and then I saw something that said I saw. Go ahead. and then I saw something that said I don't go ahead. I saw something that uh, Shams is is clutches in clutches pocket. Woj is in Palinka's pocket and Palinka use woj about Hurley to give them leverage in the JJ negotiations. Okay. That makes more sense. That could be possible. But what I was saying is that maybe Wode kind of told the Lakers, like, I can deliver Dan Hurley to you. But Wode didn't fully win here because, like,

did you see Shams doing a little bit of a victory lap saying, he kind of went back at Wode and was like, yeah, they were going, Dan Hurley was, I guess, the, or Dan Hurley was the first choice, I guess. Like, Wode, Shams was kind of dunking back on Wode because they didn't hire Dan Hurley was, I guess the, or Dan Hurley was the first choice, I guess. Like Wode, Shams was kind of dunking back on Wode because they didn't hire Dan Hurley. Yeah. Wode ended up not being right. He just had a week where he looked like he was getting it over Shams.

Well, Wode was right that they were interviewing Dan Hurley. Right. He didn't say that Dan was going to get the job. And if I was Shams, I would do the exact same thing because you had that story and then there was like a speed bump and now it's back to Your story again. I was like Hanks is more likely Because if woge told Rob Polinka I can deliver Dan Hurley to you he goes on wanted JJ Polinka didn't want to give JJ after the interview Dan Hurley said no, thanks, then woge had to be like? Oh my bad. I thought he wanted this job

He had to change your heart but what Hank's saying makes way more sense because polinka wanted to pay JJ less and LeBron wanted JJ But they didn't want to seem like they were just gonna hire whoever LeBron wanted They wanted to go out and say hey, we're gonna hire Dan Hurley. Also Dan Hurley is a fucking awesome coach They probably wanted to hire Dan Hurley. Also, Dan Hurley is a fucking awesome coach. They probably wanted to hire Dan Hurley. Probably. Yeah. Yeah. That's probably the most likely explanation is that they wanted Dan Hurley. He said, no, now they're going to go with JJ. But what if woge just controls the entire NBA?

I could, that could happen. It could be, could be true. I do love and they'll never you know, there's never There's no market for it and and they'll never be completely honest but it was like this with with Schefter and Rapaport and now it's woe and shams like I Just love thinking about how mad they get. Oh, yeah stuff like when shams is on ESPN saying like I guess like They're just reporters and there will never be an actual reality show for them and they would never actually show

how mad they are. But like he was, he probably threw something like that. Yeah. That little comment, that little comment got him as mad as anything could in the world. And like Rapport and Schefter, like that shit used to be so juicy and they would get so mad at each other and so many like sub sub shots and everything. It's great. And I like I imagine when Woj first announced the Danny Hurley thing, Shams was sitting in his parents. I think he still lives at home parents kitchen and like his mom was like,

here's your breakfast. She's like, no mom, not right now. Like I just missed a scoop. Yeah, it's awesome. It's awesome. Like the John Clayton commercial. The ESPN commercial. Yeah, it's awesome. It's awesome. It's like the John Clayton commercial. The ESPN commercial. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Oilers just lost. Panthers on the brink as well. We're going to get two sweeps.

This was the game that the Oilers were going to win if they were going to win a game because it was game three back in Edmonton. Did you see that Florida had flight problems? They didn't get into late last night. Edmonton had been there for two days. It's over. I just need more sports. I need more sports. You're ready to learn dingers only, buddy. I need more sports right now.

And I do like baseball, but it's too early for me to just only pay attention to baseball. Yeah. Baseball is a great sport to pay attention to with like 50% of your attention going to a different sport Well, I have one other sports story we could talk about memes Aaron Rodgers

He's just taking a week off so there's no problem There's no there's so much. There's so little of a problem. We've had 15 stories about how there's no there's so much. There's so little of a problem. We've had 15 stories about how there's no problem There's no problem. The problem is Robert Sala handled the situation wrong and sounds like a problem That sounds like a problem. It's problem. It's not a problem. What does that mean? It's a riddle Yeah Also, is he the only quarterback starting quarterback who's not in mini camp right now? Mandatory mini camp. Yes. Oh, what? That word mandatory and the core used. Yeah. What was that word? What does that mean? That's when teams can start finding players for missing. Yeah. So, oh, T.S. Interesting. When I brought this on the last show you you said it wasn't a problem at all

You said this was a floria wet dream and yeah, but then you just said right now It's half of a problem. It is you might be half floria No, no, no, no, no. Yeah You're shouting like a floria right now. No, no, no, they just handle they handled it wrong The coach is handling it wrong the PR handled it wrong. That's a problem. It is a problem. Not a problem. Yeah, you're becoming a Florio. So I'm very confused because it sounds everything you just told me. It sounds like there's a problem here. There's no problem. As long as he's there for week one, no problem. So why are we talking about it then?

Because there's a bunch of yappers out there just need something to talk about who started it though That'd be Bob Bob Bob who Bob Salah? That's the coach of the Jets. It's a coach of the Jets. That's a problem It's a coach of the Jets. That's a problem. I think, now, James, try to follow me on this one. I think that Bob would not have talked about it being a problem if it wasn't a problem. Right.

So then now we got a couple problems. Maybe maybe not the not the best speaker up there. Oh bad for your head. Head football coach. Yes, a problem. That is a problem. You must be a leader of men. I've seen him do a few interviews.

He seems like a pretty good speaker. I've seen do a couple. He's not the best speaker. I think it's a problem. I think there might be a problem there. There's no couple. He's not the best speaker. I think it's a problem. I think that there might be a problem there. There's no problem. He's fine. He's probably like, I don't know, at a charity event.

Okay. All right. Is that like a not- For the whole week? He's at a charity event. Whole week. He's at a charity event for the whole week. I want to follow this. So he's at a charity event for an organization that wants people

to know as little about them as possible. So that's why Aaron can't say what charity he's attending. Yeah, it's under wraps right now. He's working on some stuff and then I'll go public in the fall. I do like I kind of does he get like a BBL or something? That would rock if he came back with a giant ass. Yeah. Someone put it perfectly. This is a listener, KM Breslin, one. He said, it's such a non-problem that some are saying it's a problem how much of a problem others are making it when it's not a problem. Yeah, it's not a problem. But then it becomes a problem because people are making it so not a problem that it's crazy. People are talking about it becomes a problem because people are making it so not a problem that it's crazy

people are talking about it as a problem that in itself is a problem. Things are almost too perfect and then people are like, why is this going so swimmingly? That's an issue. Now we've got issues. Like the Jets might, the Jets biggest problem might be that they have so many non-problems. Yeah. They're making other teams jealous because they've got it so good.

Like, all they do is talk about how there's not a problem. When you see that, you've got to think, well, is that a problem that there's just no tension whatsoever? I saw some people making the point that Tom Brady missed a few of these camps as well over the course of his career. So it shouldn't be that big of a deal or a problem. There was also Tom Brady after he was winning Super Bowls with the team that he played with for years and years and years

With the same players that he played with for years and years and years. Yes memes. So That was on the Bucks Tom Brady missed two weeks Okay, and then they want super yeah. Yeah, but he told them more or fewer than five snaps for the Bucks that first year Yeah, but he told them more or fewer than five snaps for the Bucks that first year. Oh, you play more. I think played the entire season. He won a Super Bowl. So there's a difference. Tom Brady, Tom Brady told the Bucks in advance and they said it was excused. So people are saying that if Aaron Rodgers actually did tell them in advance and then Robert Sala just went on on the podium and Blurred everything out on a Monday. You know I'm saying everything you say just seems it's just a big blinking problem. Yeah, that's all I see every time you open your mouth means just problem.

He's fine. He's fine. Who who. Robert Salah just needs to shut up and we're fine. Got it. Hey can you take a picture of the side of your face to look at your haircut. I just felt a little no I felt a weird little bump. Oh everything okay. Was that you going to the doctor? Picture You know, I'm sorry Wow that way I mean that what a what a plot twist this episode would be I know Memes and Macs are just sitting there rubbing their hands together right now Don't fucking nod at that. Jesus Christ.

Hank's fine too. Aaron Roger's fine, Hank. Oh no. Okay. All right. Let's get to, let's do our interview. This has been a very fun show, boys. Let's do our interview with Stephen Jackson and Matt Barnes in studio.

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Incredible podcasters. First of all, congrats. Thank you. I know that last time we had you on, Matt, it was before all this. Yeah, I was still in the NBA thing. Yeah. Back in your guys New York days. Yeah. Twenty seventeen all this. Yeah, I was still in the NBA thing. Yeah. Back in your guys' New York days. Yeah, 2017. So, I mean, let's start with the podcast. You guys have blown up. I mean, what's the big thing that has resonated with people?

You guys are like, oh, shit, this is actually working. We didn't really know what a podcast was at the time. You know what I mean? We just knew that we were both working at ESPN and Fox, and it was fun. But it was kind of a straight line and he and I like to draw outside the lines you know most of our lives so I pitched him the podcast idea he said what is it but I'm down I was like I don't know but

I'll figure it out and we met Brian Daly cold pitched him and over they are just starting showtime basketball and cold pitched him, he liked it. And man, we took off in our first season, we won sports podcast of the year. Wow, pretty good. That's, wait, who gave that out? Were we up for that? If y'all didn't win it, it's not a real award,

if y'all ain't won it, you're out. No, no, no, I don't think so. I mean, if you ever listen to this show, we shouldn't win. No, we should definitely never win. Every day we wake up, we're like, how are we still allowed to do this? Yeah. Were you guys surprised with how are we still allowed to do this? We got surprised with how much work you had to put into it. It's a lot It's a lot to get it off the ground, you know

But as I was explaining before we got on the air we we bulk shoot So well, you know, we'll shoot probably every four to six weeks and we'll shoot, you know in two or three days We'll shoot six seven eight shows and then just bank them and then as current events hit through any of our guests will Blast that part but we still kinda have everybody slotted. So to get it off the ground, it was just a lot but I think now we kind of hit our rhythm. You know, we're in our fourth or fifth season now

or fifth year, excuse me. And you know, it's kinda like clockwork now. Yeah, where do you guys see it going from here? I mean, I'm looking around. Yeah, I think- I'm looking at the blueprint. Yeah, I'm looking around. That's why at the blueprint. Yeah, I'm looking around. That's why I'm just looking around, seeing the direction we trying to get to.

This is it. Yeah, I mean, obviously congratulations to you guys and everything you guys accomplished in this space. And that's kind of our next goal. You know, we went from one show to, you know, signing a multi-year deal with Draft Kings and partnering with Metal Lark. And, you know, we put out five shows, Q1.

So, you know, we built a whole production company out of this, so kind of the direction you guys are going. Yeah. In your own facility, the Smokehouse? So yeah, that's why I like the name. So we're actually in LA looking for buildings as we speak. So we're, you know, we're trying to get there. So it's good to obviously be here,

but then also- This is hell of a blueprint. Yeah. And to see what you guys have going on. Do you guys still, do you guys still hoop regularly or no? I box. Oh. Yeah, I don't- That's a scary proposition. Yeah, I don't. That's a scary proposition.

Yeah, boxing's soft. Boxing's soft just to stay in shape, just to stay in shape. I think being an athlete, you gotta do something because your body really starts to shut down when you stop being active. So I just try to stay active and soft ball and boxing. That would be a good podcast.

Just go like three rounds with somebody and do like five minutes. Well, speaking of that, I have a boxing show called Fight Times. The new episode is actually dropping next week with Ben Avedas, cause he has a fight next week, and Roy Jones, it's the first time they actually get a chance to meet,

and Roy Jones actually gets in the ring and teaches him stuff, so it's gonna be a dope episode. I like that, yeah, just fight your guests. We getting in the fight game, all the smoke fight. Coming soon. Can you talk shit while you're boxing? It's kind of hard with the mouthpiece in. But I think breathing is way more important

than talking shit in boxing. Yeah. You ever want to fight in a rough and rowdy? We have a boxing league. I would never do that. No? Not at 46. If I would've started maybe in my 30s,

and I've been punched hard before in real life in real fights with bare knuckles, and I know you can't play boxing. You have to really be in shape, so I would never do a charity match or, no, I'm not doing it. What if I told you that I talked to Tony Parker yesterday, he called you out?

I would give Tony Parker a hug and say, Tony, you don't want these problems. I would hurt Tony. Who's more likely to come on the podcast? I know you said that you would have Derek Fisher on. Who's more likely though, Tony Parker or Derek Fisher? Well, I mean, either one of them. Yeah?

I'm at the point now where I'm more worried about success than people, right? So I don't have anything personal with any of them. I have my opinions, of course, that I stand strongly on, but having them come on the show, I don't want to physically hurt anybody. Yeah. I'm cool with disagreeing with people, but having him come on the show, I don't want to physically hurt anybody. You know what I'm saying? I'm cool with disagreeing with people,

but the respect gonna remain the same. Have you had a guest on that you didn't like going into it? I haven't, no. No? That's the next level. I don't think we should have a guest that we don't like, though. Why? That's the disagreement. It's fun to... I don't know. Well, it's gotta be somebody

that we respect at the same time. It can't be somebody that wants to disrespect us. And we gonna beat the shit out of them. Yeah, cause we've had a lot of guests that have shown up and we're like, we've said a lot of shit about you. And it gets interesting. It gets interesting cause we have to like, cop to all of it.

Cause you can't have someone on if you've said some shit and then not say it to them. Clear the air, right. Yeah, I even feel like, you know, I don't know how he is with it, but like he wants to have Derrick on. I always feel a certain way, but since he feels like he is with it, but he wants to have Derrick on. I always feel a certain way, but since he feels like he was wanting Derrick on,

I'm cool with it now. I'm cool with having Kwame on the show. I don't think he's cool with that. No, I don't mind that shit either. So a lot of guys that we had words with, I don't physically wanna hurt or be in contact with anybody. You know what I'm saying? We gon' disagree.

As men, you should be able to disagree, you know what I mean? But the respect should remain. I just feel like life is too short, man, to dislike or hate or carry that. And I don't play fair, so make sure you wanna, make sure if you wanna get into that with me, that you're willing to be low.

I love it. I'm going low. Just saying Kwame's name, by the way, like, we cool now. Let's not say it anymore, because we're gonna end up in one of his videos where he's sitting in his truck. Nah, we cool now, we cool now, we cool now.

He loves going live, and I love tuning into it, just because you never know what the fuck Kwame's gonna in his truck. Nah, we cool now, we cool now, we cool now. He loves going live, and I love tuning in to it just because you never know what the fuck Kwame's gonna be talking about. But he's gonna be saying something with his chest, you're gonna be like, damn, I don't wanna mess with Kwame. But he's definitely built something for himself now. A lot of people watching, he got a great audience now, so salute to him.

We said his name and made him hot, you know what I'm saying? So salute to him for taking advantage of it. Hell yeah, yeah, when he's like, meet me in a mutual combat state. If it's a dude that knows which states are mutual combat states, that's the guy you do not want to mess with. That's the fact.

But then again, you gotta remember, Kwame's 6'10", 280, living the country, lifting wood all day, so that's a different type of strong. Yeah, I love how you were talking about Derrick and Steven, you were like, I don't know, like you're a good teammate. You're like, if he's in, I guess if you're cool with it, that's fine, but I'm gonna be on high alert

when that dude's here. That's just how I am. Yeah, I mean, you know the funny thing about that shit is after the altercation went down, that following summer, it happened at the beginning of the season, that following summer, my kids were cool and cared about him, and that's what kinda just made me,

cause I was over the situation. I could've been cool or I could have been beef for life. I wasn't really trippin'. And my sons are just like, I'd always ask my sons, how is it, how's it going? They're like, we love this. So I pulled him to the side and we had a conversation like, hey man, I'm still in the league.

We had our issues, this is why I did what I did. He explained his side and then we were cool. I even told him, you're gonna see my kids more than me because I'm still playing. You gotta teach them how to be men and principles and morals and if that makes sense you know It's just kind of be that father figure while I'm gone You know I mean, so I mean I say all that to say like we ended up squashing and we've been cool The last however long however long ago it, we just were funky for eight months.

Yeah, I mean you are a really good friend, Steve. I do think now that we're so far removed from the Palace, and obviously it was unfortunate, but your take from all of it was like, I'm a really good teammate, I'm a really good friend. Do you think people have come around to that, where it's like, that's a guy you just wanna ride and die with?

People that actually know me that doesn't have anything personal against me see it that way. Yeah. Right? That they actually know me. People on the outside that just see me run up there and punch in the fan they don't know that I've never been in a fight in the NBA game. They don't know that I've never been in trouble in my life before that incident. Right? You just looking like this guy's trouble-making. No I'm just a loyal friend and I would be that to anybody that you anybody that I rock with. So, I mean, like I said, it depends on how my friend is.

I'm loyal to a fault sometimes, you know what I'm saying? But I'd rather be loyal to a fault than not loyal at all. Yeah, are we friends? Yes, we buddies. Fuck yeah. Just for the record. No one better step to me. Just for the record.

Just for the record. We got him in the back pocket. The Indian Fever need to sign you as an assistant coach. Man, he talking about that. We got it in our pocket. The Indian Fever need to sign you as like an assistant coach. He talks about that. Looking out for teammates. Where's the fever team mates? Yeah, that's what we said, where are teammates at? Is she not on good terms with her teammates?

Because that was the weird part to me, was nobody really seemed to have her back in that. I remember when Greg Popovich, we were playing my second time in San Antonio, and he was like, we was playing the Clippers and they were just throwing lobs and they just dunked him. And he was like, I need you to go in the game and give me a little nasty.

Like what you mean, Pop? Soon as they throw a lob to Deandre Jordan, don't even go for the ball, just take him out. And I went up and Deandre Jordan, he jumps probably like 20 feet higher than me. So when I jumped up to stop, I didn't even go for the ball, just hit his arm and stopped the lob. And Pop like, yeah, we need that.

Tim was all happy. And DeAndre came up to me like, bro, don't do that shit no more. Coached up me in the game just to do it. And he keep tapping me like, okay, good job. Pop used to send people in games just to bring nasty. You know what I'm saying? Because you gotta protect your stars.

That's what you're there for. You don't want Tim, Tim goes down, our whole season is over. Kaitlin goes down, your season is over, you're already struggling. You gotta be somebody to go in there and be the enforcer. They need that in the boxing. Charles Oakley, guys like that, you need guys like that.

They need a nasty, yeah, just like how many nasties did you have tonight? Dreymon Green, you need a guy like that. What Greg Poppins said there, every championship team needs a Dreymon game, needs to run our test. You gotta have that one guy. It's, and you guys can correct me if I'm wrong, but I always think like when I look at a guy like Draymond,

it's finding a guy who will always live kinda on the edge. And you can deal with every now and then him going over the line as long as he can stay on that edge more often than not. And it can't be your most talented guy. Right. It has to be the guy that you can, what's the word I'm looking for? That you can, I'm trying to find a word.

It's early. It's early, yeah, we should have said that from the start. He's just a guy that you're willing, that you don't need, you actually don't need him in the fourth quarter. Right. You know what I'm saying? Because.

Well they need Draymond though in the fourth quarter. You know what I'm saying? But he gotta be a guy that's risky, that can take risks, that's what I'm looking for, that can take risks, you know what I'm saying? Right. Because some games, Draymond might not be there in the fourth quarter.

He might get kicked out in the third, but what he did in the third to get kicked out might be important for you to win the game in the fourth quarter. I think what made him great is the ability to walk that line. And like you said, sometimes you step over that line and you'll take it.

I think he started to realize that as an individual, because he's very intelligent, like damn, I'm stepping over that line a little too much. You know, past season, you know, I'm costing my team. But his talent was the bullshit, besides'm causing my team to be sick. But his talent was the bullshit, besides defense. Yeah. His talent was the nonsense.

That's true. Now, can you have two of those guys on the team? No, no. Have you ever been on a team where there were two of those guys? Yeah, me and Ronald Test. Yeah, you walked in. Yeah. Me and Ronald Test.

Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah, exactly. You see what happened. Did you walk in in the locker room, and you're like, wait, hold on. There's two of us Like what the fuck well, I start seeing that as a ceiling. I like hold up man One wrong situation with this team is gonna go down. Yeah, my favorite quotes is from a from big John Thompson He said you can win a championship with one of those guys

You need one of those guys for a championship if you have two of them, they'll get you fired. Yeah Might not work with two one, yeah, you definitely won. Yeah. When you guys first met, what was the, cause tell me if I'm wrong, but like an NBA locker room, I think when we're watching as fans, we're like, oh, these guys are on the team together, they're all best friends.

That's obviously not the case. There's a million different personalities, but some guys do become best friends. When you guys first walked in a locker room together, was there something that connected you where you're like, oh yeah, we're going to be friends. I saw his lips and I knew he smoked. We got the whiskey lips. Yeah. It just was weathered in dark. Cognac lips. Yeah, it just was weathered in dark. I was like, oh, he smokes. I'm going to fuck with

him. Because he got- It was weathered. It was weathered. He got traded to our team at the trade deadline, or right before the trade deadline, I think the end of January. We were struggling at the time and we wanted to shake things up and they brought him, Al, and I think, Sherunis. I was scarred up too. Yeah, Jack was just fresh off an NBA strip club shootout,

you know what I mean? So he needed a reload. He's in the witness protection program. They sent him to Oakland. And as soon as he walked in, I'm just like, cause we played together for years, but never real, no interaction. But as soon as he walked in, I looked at his lips,

I was like, oh, he smokes from that day. I looked at him, oh yeah, that's the one. That's my friend right there. I mean, that can't be that uncommon though. I feel like in professional sports in general, especially now things have changed a little bit. Like back when you guys were playing, it was a very common thing,

but it wasn't as socially acceptable. It should be like outwardly, yeah, smoke weed. But nowadays it's like, yeah, in the NFL, they kinda pulled back the drug test. If you don't, like, something wrong with you if you don't. Well, I think, I mean, I think during our career, and even though we were risking it, over half the league was smoking,

I would say probably even more, reports 60 or 70%, but you know, they kinda changed. in and I well You know when I retired and one of our other brothers Al Harrington retired We were flying to New York to talking to the NBA and the NPP a and tell them they needed to do more in-depth Studying because there was no study on the on the positive benefits at the time It was just the gateway and all that old shit from the 80s that everyone was sticking by so You know the NBA started looking into it that the the MBPA started looking into it, and the doctor

still butted heads, they finally came to a conclusion and understood, you know, the benefits of the plan. And I think, starting in the bubble during COVID is when they stopped testing. And then after that, the shit was gone. So you know, although we missed out on it, you know, we've, you know, we kind of take pride in the fact that, you know, we were someone that helped push the lines. And luckily, this this next generation doesn't have to. I mean, at the end of the day, we were risking out, you know we were someone that helped push the lines and luckily this this next generation doesn't have to I mean at the end of the

day we were risking out you know risking our career risking a lot of money yeah to do that but you know there was no alternative for us and it is I mean it's we have a lot of friends who are NFL players or ex NFL players like they they got to a point in their career like I don't want to take these pills they can't describe in this moment let me just smoke yeah and like smoke. And that will deal with the pain a lot better. Even with Jake Plummer now, with his company, I'm on with the mushrooms. We went out there.

He also did too. Got an episode coming with him. Oh nice, he's the best. Very educational, to the point where I'm taking the drops and stuff every day, even the stuff to sleep. But I didn't know anything about it until we went down and talked to Jake about the...

Before he was just throwing them in his mouth and chewing them. Yeah, but this wasn't the healthy one. Yeah, that's what happened. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Did you guys go to his farm? Yeah.

Yeah, we did too. You're like, are we in the right place? Did you have some space Cheetos? I don't know. No, I think it was all... Lion, Maine tacos. We had Lion, Maine, yeah. Yeah, we had that too.

I'm trying to remember the Rishi. The Rishi mushroom. Yeah, Rishi. Yeah, that's his favorite mushroom. That's his favorite one. He talked about how it talks in the earth to the other mushrooms. Yeah.

It's trippy stuff, but yeah. What is the place, I didn't mean to cut you off. What was the place we went to called? Humboldt. No, no, no. Oh, the Yurk. Did you go to the Yurk? Did they take you to his buddy's house

that has the fucking, the TP? You guys got way better. Yeah, you got better. Oh no, we went to the Yurk. Damn it. I think they thought we were cops. Yeah, they looked at Big Cat's mustache The TP So big cats mustache and they're like this guy this guy might be the police No, we gave us the narc tour we're going

Kept it very surface. Uh-huh. We're going back. I'm gonna I'm going back to see what it's really really like He's doing very cool stuff. He's just a cool guy So with him drops yes, so yeah, so yeah you brought some Coors lattes over here Yeah, so yeah, we got an octopus and formaldehyde over there if you want to take a look everywhere We got just a cool like 13 year old's bedroom. Yeah, exactly You were talking about the bubble and how they kind of change the rules in the bubble. They didn't really have a choice because they're like, we've got these guys pretty much trapped in here. We have to let them at least smoke weed.

And you guys think, I don't know how long the break was, but I think it was like four to six weeks off and we didn't, I was already out, but guys didn't know what was going on. So, you know, a lot of them partook. And I'm just thinking like, yo, if you start testing guys and you come back in the bubble and you got some star players not able to play

while you're in the bubble because of this bullshit rule, it's gonna look really bad. So I think they kind of looked big picture like, okay. And like you said, they were locked in there. You know what I mean? So they had to give them something to do and that was one of them. What helped JRR Smith,

I think the whole time he was in the bubble, I got a call from him probably seven, eight every morning, him by his bathroom window venting to me about how much he hate the bubble and we smoking together every morning. That's the way he survived doing the bubble, waking up and smoking and calling me on FaceTime,

bro I can't wait to get out here like he was in jail. Yeah, and it's interesting because when you guys play in the league, I feel like the transition between, or maybe it's not a transition, but the realization that the players have had in the last 20 years, they realize that they have the power in this league.

In the NFL, it's different. You got 53-man rosters, you've got guys that are interchangeable, but in the NBA, the players, especially the star players, but really it's everyone, the players have all the power in this dynamic. And I don't know if there was a moment that kind of woke people up to that if you're in the league or if it was Just a gradual really I think that was David Stern's goal to to create individual stars within a team game He always wanted to promote stars because he knew that's what will grow the league

But it was also you know we kept the team mentality around it So they would promote the individual guys, it was still the team and you know obviously with you know 12 13 guys and no helmets on you're still in the mix even if you don't play you know what I mean so there's still opportunities but now more than ever I mean these kids are you know businesses before they even step into the NBA now so you know it promotes a lot of which is weird it's a fine line to be able to promote individuality and individuals within a team space. And I don't think football's getting better at that

because there's social media now, but it's still more of a us, you know, and we can actually be, you know, us as a team, we can actually be individuals, but still be with the team concept. Yeah, do you think super teams are kinda dying? Because it does feel like this, especially these playoffs, with the Suns going out,

the Clippers going out, and you see a lot of teams like the success of the Wolves, the Mavs, and I know Kyrie got, that was an addition, but the Mavs and the Celtics both have been maneuvering, never doing the like, all right, we got one big star, let's bring two other big stars. You think it's kind of dwindling down? I think so. Yeah. With players like Anthony Edwards coming in the league, being one of those guys that approaching the game with that attitude, that

old school attitude and not really want to team up with guys, want to build their own. I think the super team is definitely dying. Yeah. And I think the big man is coming back too, the two, having two big men. Versatile big men. Yeah, the versatile big man, I think man is coming back too. The two, having two big men. The versatile big man. The versatile big man, I think that's coming back as well. Yeah, I definitely think it's more back on strategy and management and drafting right and trading right and this next generation. That super team was something

that our generation wanted to do. You know what I mean? And I really credit LeBron for kind of being the first guy to make the superstar to kind of make that jump. Like I don't have to stay in this organization my entire life, I don't want to. So he kind of, I think opened up the the superstar to kind of make that jump. Like I don't have to stay in this organization my entire life. I don't want to. So he kind of, I think opened up the flood gates for stars to start moving. But I think that was more kind of what our guy are, you know, as you, you just

mentioned all those guys, like none of them made the play or if they made the playoffs, it was in and out, you know, those kinds of teams, those really, I look at those as kind of like those weight builders that only lift their upper body and their legs are like this. Yeah. Like you got a really heavy top three, really heavy top three and you don't have any depth. So now it's more important about depth and drafting and trading. Right. And I kind of see going somewhat back to the old NBA style is just far as you have to build your team through the draft and trades. Yeah. I think it's going to be like that initially, but I get the feeling that the super teams that we see right now that have

been constructed in the last five years, they're all from like a certain generation. It's kind of older guys, guys that are maybe at the second half of their career. Right now we've got so many young stars in the league. If we wait five, 10 years, they might start to do that too. Not a ring, you get desperate. Not a ring, then you start thinking about it.

But right now I think as we're looking at the NBA, the talent is concentrated in like the mid to late 20s Yeah for the younger guys, and yeah, I would say even earlier I would say early, you know, I would say early 20s to mid 20s is like, you know Those you know those the 26 and under like that's Tatum Anthony Edwards Luca Yeah, you know all these are you know, Luke even called Kyrie old the other day I think Kyrie's what 32 right? You know, I mean? So I think that that young wave is middle 20s and they're strong.

So I really feel like we've seen this year kind of the passing of the torch. All the great players you name, none of these, Steph, LeBron, KD, none of these guys made waves in the playoffs this year. It was all younger, lead teams. Yeah. Still entertaining.

Yeah, very entertaining. You guys think there's a problem in the NBA with coaches like speaking of the super teams like the Lakers obviously fire their coach sons fire their coach where these Sometimes it feels like the players basically if there's if his disappointing season, there's just no blame on themselves Yeah, and it's just the coach is the one Yeah Hey, you're out because before coaches used to have really, when we came in the league, coach had the authority. It was they were the highway,

and now players make so much money, organizations can't expend players like that. It has to be the coach. Even though coaches are getting way better money than they used to, it's always gonna be the coach's fault. Now, there's not very much what acceptance or responsibility when it comes to, if you're a big player in big team and your team fucks up, it's gonna be on the coach

nine, half out of 10 times now. I hate it. I think there should be way more blame on the coaches for the perfect example. On the coaches or on the players? Excuse me, on the players, because perfect example, you can't just blame Darvin Ham for that situation and fire him and just bring another coach in

with no experience just because Braun didn't win the championship. Nah, it's the players' fault. Any other time, any other time, when Jokic lose, when any other team loses, it's the Stars' fault. The Stars, they didn't play well, they didn't do this. They talk about Anthony Edwards, why the Minnesota lost.

Because he didn't play like he was playing against Denver. Soon as the Lakers lose, they blame it on the coach. I hate it. The Stars, you have to be responsible because just when you win, the Stars get all the credit. They don't give the coaches the credit, they give it all on the coach. I hate it. The stars, you have to be responsible because just when you win, the stars get all the credit. They don't give the coaches the credit, they give it all to the stars. He played well, he carried the team.

When the team lose, you gotta take the same responsibility. And I don't think the players do that no more. It might be a lot about the star players just not liking the coach. And you don't want a superstar athlete that's not in a good position mentally, that hates going to work every day. I don't think you're gonna get the most production out of them but that's kind of that's where we're at right now. You saw when Anthony Davis said I think

during was it during the playoffs or was it playing or wherever they are turned to in the seats it's like there was times out there we didn't even know we were doing it when we didn't know we were running I was like oh Darwin had it done yeah you know what I mean like when your players start your stars start speaking up like that. And I feel like it happens so much faster though now. Like you even saw it with the Bucs this year. They fired their coach what, three months into it. And he was what, 33 and 13 or something?

It was insane. It's like oh, is it because, I'm not saying it's because Giannis didn't like him, but it does feel like the threshold for firing a coach is if your star players, like oh, I don't really like him. It's like all right. Well, that time is different, you know? Perfect example, you get Kobe getting coming

to the press conference after they lose, it's gonna be a great summer. We gotta work right now, you know what I'm saying? Work starts right now for next year. Instead of guys coming to the press conference, well, you know, we had guys hurt, this, you know, my team wasn't there, I only can do so much. Like, that's not the way, that's the approach now

instead of having an approach like Kobe. We just gotta get back to work, we'll be back next year. You know what I mean? And this is just a different approach to the game. My favorite is when they say, I don't wanna make excuses and then they make like, six excuses. Yeah, yeah. But my wrist hurts. Part of the game.

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And now, here's more with all the smoke. So have you guys ever been on a team where you don't like to coach, where most of the players on the team don't like the coach, but the team is still successful? No, no. I've been on a team where I don't like the coach, but the team wasn't good either.

I think it starts at the top. Yes. Although the players are more powerful. Called buying in. Yeah, I think the hardest thing now as a coach is coming into a locker room with guys that are making millions and millions of dollars and gaining that respect.

You have to have the respect of the locker room no matter what your past is, what you've done, what you've accomplished. Being able to go into a locker room and get everyone's respect is the key room no matter what your past is, what you've done, what you've accomplished. Being able to go into the locker room and get everyone's respect is the key. And communicating, I just feel like there's, we have a shift in coaches right now, you're seeing a lot more former players coming to the NFL.

I like that. NBA, because to me, although X and O's are always gonna be important, now it's being able to communicate because this next generation that's coming came up different than we did. A lot more coddled and given a lot of things So if you ruffle their feathers, you know, you're out of here

So it's not so much like kissing ass But it's just being able to have someone that can still communicate with that younger generation but still get the job done Jason kidding Kyrie. Yes, I really seems to be a different dude this year. Mm-hmm I peace I think he's very much a piece. I heard him talk about obviously this is gonna air during the finals So we don't know what's much at peace. And I heard him talk about, obviously this is gonna air during the finals, so we don't know what's happened so far. But I heard him talk about just how he's approaching the series against Boston, and how mature he sounded when he said it.

I was like, is this the same Kyrie from the Nets? He seems to have made a complete change. And I think a lot of people are giving credit to Jason Kidd. Obviously Kyrie's matured on his own a little bit, it seems like. But yeah, having a guy that has been there, done that, that can speak your language, I feel like just having that connection goes a long way.

So there's a lot of stuff that goes into a successful franchise, a good team. What are the differences that you guys have seen between a functional NBA organization, like from the top down, and a dysfunctional one? Well, for me, as soon as you walk in, you can tell what organization is used to winning and what organization doesn't know how to win.

That's easy to tell. Going into, when I went to Charlotte, I could tell that they were still trying to figure out how to win. When I sat in San Antonio, it was a structure. Everybody's professional, everything's on time. They're used to winning. They have the model to win.

They understand about winning. It's easy to see when you walk in an organization. You can tell a team that's been winning as one championships by the coach, how the coach is and how they run everything from the top to bottom. And you can go into a place like Charlotte, you can tell they're looking for somebody to come in

and bring this winning feel back. You know what I'm saying? So it's easy to see when you walk in an organization. Yeah, I think too. I think it starts at the top, absolutely, with ownership. And it trickles down to management, to coaches. Some teams, I'm gonna cut you out, but some teams you don't even know who the owner is.

Don't see them. So you think the coach is basically running the team. That's interesting. You know what I'm saying? I've been in several teams where I don't even know who the owner is. Yeah, we played on that Warrior team, that We Believe team in 06, 07,

and we played with the Warriors then, and that was an organization that was still trying to figure it out. Owners didn't really know what they're doing. Fast forward. I went back 10 years later with the 17 team that already won a championship and you just see and when I tell you we walked in and you felt the energy on the days off guys wanted to be in there. When we traveled for the playoffs, they got private jets for our whole family. They take care of hotels for like you don't have to worry about tickets, food, travel for your family. All they want you to do is focus on basketball. And I was blessed to play for the Lakers. And the Clippers, I played for the Clippers two times. The first time we were practicing at a fucking junior college where you had

to leave the back doors open so they didn't break into your car. Next time around we have our own practice facility and the plane and everything is set up. So I mean it really starts, I feel like it starts at the top with ownership and how much they really want to pour into this team Yeah

I always am shocked when an owner like when a rich guy buys a team and then just starts cheaping out on it Yeah, what you have billions the point you bought the team right? Why wouldn't you want the team to be good? It's not just owning. I would be so mad if I owned a team and they just sucked all right Yeah, like I feel like the purpose. Yeah speaking of that clipped is on Now in Hulu I was I was a consultant on that project that was our 2015 team with Donald Sterling when his mistress recorded them and leaked the tapes And I don't know I was on that team at the beginning of that year. Oh really? Yeah, he was yeah, what happened Chris Paul broke his hand got clipped

Yeah, I got clipped He broke his hand and had to get rid of somebody to bring another point guard in. And I was on a 10 day. How fucked up was that situation? That was my last. I can imagine. I retired right after that.

You probably hated going to work for that guy, right? To be honest with you, you know what's funny about that situation when people ask, it was never about him because he was never really, he came to games, but we never thought like, yeah, we're playing for Donald Sterling. It was more like we had a good group of guys

and we were playing for each other. So he never really came into the picture until the bullshit was leaked. He was always there, and for me, out of respect, I never had no awkward encounters. He never said nothing crazy to me, because there ain't no telling what would've happened, but I was just always high and by.

His wife was very respectful. Obviously, we saw the mistress there, and she thought she ran the stable center, which was crazy, and my ex-wife always had to put hands on her, but it was a circus, but we didn't allow his circus to trickle down into our locker room, so it was really never about him. Yeah, did you text Blake when he retired?

I did. All right, good. That's Big Cat, that's my Big Cat. Yeah, you're Big Cat, yeah, you told us that last time. Yeah, Blake, great dude, man, and definitely a Hall of Fame career, and really happy for him that, you know, he was able to play out as long as he wanted.

Wish he would have won a championship. But it's crazy because, like, they're hanging on. Like, Jamal Crawford's gone, JJ's gone about to get the Laker job. Blake just retired, who knows, the CP. It might be time for CP to retire. So, like, kind of the last Deandre's over in Denver. Deandre's just gonna keep, like,

I'm gonna look at a bench in the playoffs and just be like, wait, is that Deandre Jordan? That's what he did this year. Oh, he is there. He's such a great vet, you know. I mean, such a good guy, great energy team guy. So, you know, and he found a good spot that still credits that, you know, we've always spoke that we feel like the NBA definitely still needs veterans. Yeah. You know, teams are so young now with no, it's a blind leading the blind, but when you're able to find a good veteran, you talk to any guys that are done or guys on their way out, like, man,

the game has changed. We came in the game, was guys that were 30, you know 38, 39, 40. Some contributed on the court but they all contributed off the court in a certain way to help you guide and dodge the potholes, get your suits together, all this kind of shit. Now it's, you know I remember at one point Steph was the oldest player on the Warriors and he was 32. Right. It was just like you know this although they were a great organization this is just really

young it's a young game now. Who were those guys for you when you guys first came in the league? For me, my first year, I got lucky with being with Stefan Marbury. He embraced me and then I went to the Spurs and got Steve Smith. So those two guys mentored me,

showed me how to be a professional, showed me what the league was gonna be like and I think that was the best thing for me because I was like a chicken with his head cut off just trying to figure it out. I would say my guy was Chris Weber. Yeah, he was someone that, you know, I'm from Sacramento and he was with the Kings at the time

when they were the big Laker Kings rival where I was going to school at UCLA but every summer I would work out with him and he'd put his arm around me then I end up going to the Kings then he and I get traded to Philly together and my first time with Allen Iverson and you know and obviously super dope

and just kind of being able to see what that lifestyle's like and be like, but I really say kind of Chris Webber on and off the court as far as business and basketball. I wanna say Steve Kurtz, he spoke life into me in San Antonio for confidence-wise. Really? Yeah, I was young and pop used to take me out to games earlier.

Like when I make a mistake, he take me out real early and I'm trying to figure out why, you know what I'm saying? When everybody else is making mistakes and I used to come out out to games earlier. Like when I make a mistake, he'd take me out real early and I'm trying to figure out why. You know what I'm saying? When everybody else is making mistakes and I used to come out the game cursing everybody out, just frustrated, you know, trying to figure out why. And he used to always come down, like you're gonna get back in the game, stay focused,

you're gonna make big shots. Nobody else is making big shots. And he kept telling it to me all year to the playoffs and the Western Conference Finals, I hit all the big shots. You know, I kept hitting those big shots, but he was somebody that kept speaking life into me. You know, when Pop was taking my confidence.

That's important. That's awesome. Speaking about San Antonio, I don't know what, maybe it's because of the guy he is and he's not the flashiest, but it does feel like as we go farther away from Tim Duncan retiring, people just forget how awesome he was. I argue people down with it all the time.

It's crazy. He was so good. And he was like, and he just doesn't get the respect. Because it wasn't time. It's crazy. He was so good. And he was like, and he just doesn't get the respect. Because it wasn't flashy. Yeah. He didn't talk his game. He just showed up and when you look at the stats, when you talk about greats,

if he's not in the conversation, then you don't know basketball. Yeah. He really was like, he did everything well. And it was, also he doesn't get credit for being like, one of the most like ready to go pieces that's ever been put on a team. They won a championship his second year. All around.

Yeah, it was just like, oh, he's second year, oh, he's this guy already. It just seemed like he was winning the championship what, every two years? Yeah. What's his record in the finals, like five out of seven? Yes. Five and six, something like that?

They lost the Heat, obviously, and then what was the other one they lost? It might be five and one. Five and one, something like that? They lost the Heat, obviously. And then what was the other one they lost? It might be five and one. It might be five and one. Five and one, I think so. They won five out of six, I think. I think so. Yeah, I think they won five out of six.

Yeah. That's crazy. And he just doesn't, it is because of his flashiness and his game, he wasn't hitting big threes or big dunks. But he- Did he get the stat sheet. Yeah, every single night. 20, 29, eight. All around.

Yeah. Hank just sent over some pictures of the cast of Clipped. How do you think they did with you, Matt? Oh cool, I mean. They did a great job. It's my homeboy, Sharunis. So he's kind of similar to me. Everyone's always kind of said we look alike.

So they casted really well with that. What did he say? He's doing me a favor. Yeah he's doing you a favor by playing you. No but they cast her well I mean they got Ed O'Neal, Al Bundy for Donald Sterling. Yeah. They got Laurence Fishburne to play Doc.

The lady that plays V, his mistress is really dope, looks just like her and then the lady that paid Shirley, or that's her name, Sterling? Shelly looks just like her talks just like us I thought they casted some of the players casting like Blake's casting was kind of funny to me and in CP's casting because it's the dude from what was shows young what's the the racy show on on stars in the strip club show she's gotten Cliff Paul strip club shows Yeah, did you sit down with the dude?

That was playing you like yeah. Yeah, I already know like I consulted on the project So the the the project came about from Ramona Shelburne Shout out Ramona at ESPN She did a 34 34 ESPN on just the sterling the sterling affairs and kind of the growth of the Clippers and everything in it won some awards and It got so popular that FX took took her podcast and turned it into an actual script. When you guys saw the transcript from his court filings, did you all do a reading?

I didn't do a deep dive into it. Like I said, I just kind of knew and heard. I've had a lot, or I almost had my high school burned down by the KKK. This old rich white man talking about black people the way he did, I was just like, this is probably the norm He's just the only one dumb enough to get caught. You know what I mean? I'm sure like it goes on more so to me. It wasn't a huge deal, but for some guys on my team It was a big deal some guys really hurt some guys cried some guys didn't want to play some guys were like really fucked

Up by it, but you know to me it was okay. It's unfortunate, but what's next yeah? Did you ever read the part where where he was talking about the woman in the backseat of the car oh yeah it's all what happened okay I'm gonna pull it off maybe the best transcript from filing ever I'm gonna have to read this for you out loud here okay so this is this is Donald Sterling well I fool around sometimes I do when a girl seduces me and tells me all these hot stories and dirty things and tells me how much she wants to suck on me and Take my shoes off and licks my feet and touches me when I'm in a limousine She takes all of her clothes the limo driver said what's going on and she started sucking on

Sucking me on the way to mr. Coons house and I thank her I thank her for making me feel good then the lawyer serve the question was is this your handwriting He kind of talks like a neanderthal like it's so thank you for making me feel like yeah Sir, the question was, is this your handwriting? He kind of talks like a neanderthal. Like, so thank you for making me feel like, yeah, you suck me. Thank you. Good feel He was special, man. Oh my god So you mentioned, uh jj getting the lakers job, which isn't official, but it feels like it's moving that way Do you think he's gonna I'm okay with it? Yeah, I think JJ is a great basketball mind I think he's very creative But again, I think he can bridge that gap of communication with younger and older players and JJ can be an asshole when he needs

To be so I don't think although he's a douchebag You know, it's funny I used to think JJ would be a cocksucker and I wouldn't fuck with it He's one of my closest friends post career. We played together twice. I was just like this guy's the old Duke stigma. I wouldn't fuck with you. JJ was so cool. So JJ is really cool. And like I said, I think he's someone that's not gonna be afraid to stand up

and embark at LeBron if needed. Because like I said, the most important thing is going in there and gaining that respect. Now whether people think LeBron ushered a man or whatever, I'm okay from a standpoint of a beat boxer over here. I just feel like the NBA always recycles the same coaches that ain't winning shit anyway. So I like new fresh blood.

I mean, should your first job be with the Lakers? Who knows, that's not up to me. But I think JJ, if he is able to get that opportunity, I'm definitely looking forward to see what he can do. Wait, so do you disagree? I love JJ, solid dude. One of the coolest I ever met, but it's a lot of privilege going on.

What kind of privilege? A lot of privilege going on. What kind of privilege? A lot of privilege. White or LeBron privilege? Yeah, it's definitely white and LeBron. It don't get no better than that. I'm just saying. Those are two privileges. You got the strongest privilege you ever got.

Those are the two. You can't lose, bro. You can't lose. Only privileges above those are like the police union and the teachers union. There's not much better. After that, yeah. CIA.

You're good. That's the only thing higher than that. But yeah, I mean, that's a better off. After that, yeah. The CIA. You're cool, the feds, you're good. That's the only thing hard in that. But yeah, I mean, that's a lot of privilege going on there. You got a lot of guys that's been going through these, on these NBA teams, doing these little coaching programs for the last five, six years, sitting behind the bench, doing coaching, doing everything they supposed to do to get an opportunity.

And they're not getting these opportunities. They don't have a podcast at LeBron. But that happened first, so you knew it was coming. You knew it was coming. I mean, it was the setup. How are they cool? When have you ever seen them cool? This is all a play.

We're not dumb. We have a lot of, I'm first team all common sense. But it's a lot of privilege in that because I know a lot of players that's been coaching in the NBA that had an opportunity. It didn't go good because they got, their first opportunity was a trash team

and it looked like they couldn't coach. Now they just assistant coach for the rest of their career. They don't get this opportunity the first place to go where they coaching LeBron James and Anthony Davis. So that's a lot of privilege there. But it's nothing against JJ. I love JJ. He was one of my favorite teammates

when I was with the Clippers. I spent some good times with him. But it's a lot of privilege there. Yeah, JJ's great, dude. He's been on the show a bunch I he actually used to be my neighbor and we I like he We like to just call him a douchebag to his face. I feel like he's like he's kind of it's almost like the mafia going Like, you know real like oh they have a real business now Like people forget he went to Duke and he was a dickhead like we got a remind. He does it on purpose now like people forget he went to Duke and he was a dickhead. Like we got to remind he does it on purpose though. Everything is calculated with Jake. I think he's playing like I actually

think you're playing a wrestling character. I gave him credit for it. I was like I I think you're a genius how you're doing this because people get so angry. He's speaking for the players too. That's why I love it. Yeah. Yeah. I think you'll do well. But the one thing I'm worried about for JJ is like LeBron's he's not young so what's the plan when LeBron is done or when he wants to finish somewhere else I don't know like you're you're signing up for something that are you gonna be there when he's gone I guess LA always get the Lakers always get a hot seat but to me it's hard how do you pass up because I you know again I'm cool with him you know he told me he had opportunities last season to coach and he

knows just I'm fresh out, I kinda wanna figure it out, spend time with my family, my kids. We'll try to bring him as an assistant in Boston. As soon as he said it. No, he told me he had some head opportunities. Okay. So, but how do you turn that, if that is the top?

You can't. You can't turn down the Laker job. Yeah, I feel like there's a lot of stuff that goes into coaching that's not just the X's and O's basketball IQ stuff. Behind the scenes stuff. Like you were talking about a functional organization. Everything running on time, the schedules and all that stuff. So that's going to be a big blind spot for him.

He's a smart guy so I'm sure he's going to talk to people and try to figure it out. But to me it seems like there's a lot that goes into coaching that's not just what you see on the court. No free time. Yeah. But also I think it's important for him if he does get the job, which I hope he does to hire a good staff around him. You know, mixing, you know, maybe a couple old G's and invests, but then also guys fresh out to kind of because guys fresh out still understand what this next wave of kids are about. Yeah. Yeah. What's from your guys perspective? What's the one thing that like NBA fans get wrong about how the league works or how the game works? Like the the thing that you just see all the time. You're like, that's just not that's just not I just think how hard it is You know, I mean if you think about it's been less than 5,000 guys to ever play in this league

So the last guy on the bench is amazing anywhere else, but maybe just that situation, you know Maybe it's the right time right situation But I just think the talent level, I don't think fans appreciate and respect the grind and the hard work, not just basketball, but professional sports in general. Now that we have a 24-7, 365 new cycle, or then there's no, everything is front street,

I just don't think fans appreciate the grind. And you got a better chance of being struck by lightning than being in the NBA. You know what I mean? So I just think how hard it is to make it and how good every player in that league no matter if he has a bad seasoners on a bad team or doesn't play how good every player in that league is yeah what's harder playing the NBA or podcasting

NBA oh are you sure well you guys only this isn't worth you can't bank NBA games no you guys bank podcasts you can be high in NBA games. Just say yeah me a hop but now but I just think about the NBA someone's always coming to take your spot. Yeah podcasting space is growing But we don't really look at anybody in the in our basketball spaces competition I think we all have our own unique journeys and stories and we bring something different to the game and I feel as a whole We're changing sports media You guys are changing sports media because now it's guys that people really wanna talk to.

And as players, we kinda used to look at, some reporters is like cops. It's like criminals talking to cops. Not that we're criminals, but there's just that weird line of, cause they're just, they used to be dirty and twist shit and there was no other way for us to kinda get our story out, but through them.

So you kinda got the bare minimum with a lot of people. But now there's so many athletes and people that people like to talk to you're getting different stories and point of views that you know a typical ESPN or Fox wouldn't get. Yeah and for a while there was a big disconnect between how sports was presented on TV and how they talked about on TV and how regular people talked about sports like when we're when we're talking about the NBA or the NFL me and Big Cat don't put on suits and sit down and start like yelling at each other and gesturing at talked about sports. Like when we're talking about the NBA or the NFL, me and Big Cat don't put on suits

and sit down and start like yelling at each other and gesturing at each other with a pen, you know? Nobody wanna see that anyway. Exactly, you wanna see people having like real honest conversations. Have you guys ever gotten in trouble or have had a guest that got in trouble for something that they said on your show?

Oh, we had a couple guests that said stuff that we didn't even ask them and they ended up coming back. Can you take that out? Yeah, can you take that out? Bro, we didn't even ask you that, but we'll take it Can you take that out? Yeah, can you take that out? Bro, we didn't even ask you that, but we'll take it out. You said that on your own. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean our goal is never. We're fine with that though. Yeah, our goal has never been, you know, there's people now that are kind of turning their shit into like gossip shows and looking for hot tape. Like our goal has always been to humanize our guests because we think all of our guests are super dope

and just have authentic, real, deep conversation. real deep conversation and we get a ton of times where people say we've never said this before to anybody and you know like okay they trust us enough. So we just kind of wanted to be a safe space and if we go viral it's for a dope story or an in depth conversation instead of some click bait. And smart, we take a similar approach where it's like every guest we've ever had on

we want them to come back. So it's like if you come with that approach, you're never gonna burn someone. Yeah, right. You appreciate your guests. You appreciate your guests. Exactly. I want you guys, next time you're in Chicago,

to come back on. If we try to burn you, it's like fuck these guys. Exactly. Who is the one or two players that you played against that you just hated? Hated? Maybe hated just like defending them, or hated them just like actually hated them? I didn't hate nobody, to be honest with you.

There's a lot of people I thought wasn't good that didn't deserve all the stuff they was getting in my mind. Like who? Oh boy, here you go. This might burn you. Well, he's a Hall of Famer. Oh boy. Okay. Who? Oh boy, here you go. This might burn you. Well, he's a Hall of Famer.

Oh boy. Okay. You know, he's a Hall of Famer and you know. As soon as he says his name, we're never getting him as a guest. Yeah, well, I don't, yeah. I mean, it's not personal. I just feel like I had a lot of great games against him.

I didn't have a better career than him, but when I played against him, I had some great games. Okay. Ray Allen. Oh, okay. I just feel like that. I'm not saying Ray I had some great games. Okay. Ray Allen. Oh, okay. I just feel like that. I'm not saying Ray wasn't great, but. Great.

And you know, he was great. One of the greatest shooters. One of the greatest shooters, but I'm a basketball player. I wasn't one dimensional. I just didn't shoot. I just didn't play defense. I did everything.

So I look at myself as different than a lot of these guys that were one dimensional. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I just felt like I was a better player in game. But I don't think Ray was one dimensional though. Well most of his career he was a shooter. But in his career he was an athlete. He was dunking in the walk,

he was taking off on people and all that. But he's got a little older. He got a little older. Yeah, only Bron could do with his whole career. Yeah, that's a fair though. You're not saying that he was bad. It's just that you thought you were better than him. He had a better career than me, I admit that.

But when it came to lining up on the court against a lot of guys that's Hall of Famers, I bust they ass a lot of nights. And it's just the truth. And I gotta pat myself on the back sometimes. Because the NBA wouldn't do it because of the trouble I was in. I should have been an All-Stars multiple years,

but I am someone who helped two teams, my first year there, get to the playoffs after double-digit year droughts. That has to say something. What were those teams? Charlotte and Golden State. Yeah. So, Golden State was 13 years,

and I think Charlotte was like, yeah, had never been. So, to be able to do that in the NBA, you have to be a great player You just not going to teams and get them to the playoffs. Okay, so Reverse who would always bust your ass all the I got my ass bust by all of them. That's what I'm saying I will admit that they bust my ass. Yeah, you need to admit it, too Yeah, just because y'all Hall of Famers don't mean y'all didn't get your ass bust. Okay

You know I said I took my ass with us from all of them because I competed I tried to stop them and guys like Ray Allen and Kobe You can't stop them. You got you got to try to make them have difficult nights I'll make it difficult for them and I made some of those nights difficult But for the most part those guys are great for a reason but I deserve my respect too Yeah, was it equal opportunity to trash talk like you would talk shit to anybody that you were defending. Oh, everybody got it Yeah, refs fans. Yeah, everybody got it It don't work on some guys like Kobe and Ray Allen, these guys, it don't work, but it's good to try.

Did you ever have a guy that you like, you just said something, you're like, I have him forever, like he's, it's done. I'm mentally in his head. Oh, he's sweet. Oh, man. Who you think is sweet? Oh, who's sweet?

Oh, man, I had a lot of guys that were sweet. Because we willing to take that extra step. I'm willing to fight if I have to to win the game. You know what I'm saying? Or to get my respect. I'm willing to go there every game. And it's a lot of guys that ain't willing to do that. Bro, it's just basketball.

Bro, it's just basketball. You take it serious. That's when you know you got them, right? That's when you know. It's just basketball. It's just basketball, bro. Not to me. This is how I eat. Yeah. This is how I eat.

Yeah, this is how I eat. And I know it's the guy that's coming in right now that's coming in this draft that's coming to try to take my spot. So I gotta try to stay here as long as I can. Yeah, how'd you guys feel about rookies coming to the league that had big expectations? We can touch a little bit about how this relates

to Kaitlyn Clark, but I know that you guys have been in the league when players have come in where this rookie is so highly touted to the future, the future face of the league, future star. As vets, how do you guys respond to something like that? Challenge him. I was gonna go to the state when they drafted Steph.

I had no idea he was gonna be who he was, but for me, I was at the end of my career, so I wanted to go somewhere else. I didn't wanna be a part of a rebuilding process, right? But I knew that they drafted Steph to be the face of the team. I didn't know he was gonna be who he is now. If I would've known it, I probably would've stayed

and got a couple championships off it, you know what I mean? But you never know. You never know how things gonna pay out, you know what I'm saying? Because you've seen guys that get drafted that don't have good careers, you know, that go number one, that don't last long. When you see guys that get drafted that's supposed to be top ten draft pick, get drafted

15, 20, and they end up having a hell of a career. So it's hard to really tell. It depends on that guy and how he's built, you know, coming in with all that stuff on his back. But I also think too, I mean, anybody with some name or exposure coming into the league, you're gonna get checked, you're gonna get tested some name or exposure coming into the league, you're going to get checked, you're going to get tested, you're going to get hard fouled, you're going to get hit, you're going to get a lot of different things, you're going to get beat up.

And what I think is so interesting now is it's such a shock to new fans with the women's game. You know, the women's game has always been very chippy and those girls talk a lot of shit, there's been fights, but there just hasn't been as much tension on so when they when the new casual fan or new fan see women doing the same thing as men it's like oh my god they're talking shit on the court oh they're hard for this is a competitive game so my whole thing with Caitlin Carr because I'm not mad at the peanut but I want to see no one get hurt from a cheap shot but as far as her

getting beat up elbowed hard screen knocked down that's kind of the hard knocks of being a rookie My whole thing which I said, you know a couple weeks ago or last week was where the fuck are her teammates? Yeah, you guys got to have her back whether it's you don't think she's a good person or your whatever situation She's getting given too much without proving anything no matter what those person You got to get all that bullshit out of your heart because that's why I said, you know This is the reason why you guys are at the bottom of the WNBA is because you guys aren't aren't one You need to be one whether there's one star two stars or there's a leader You guys still got to be a team and what bothered me was wasn't this she's getting knocked down and hard fouled

And you know, I'm not complaining about none of that I'm complaining to the people who who aren't helping her up or who aren't okay You'd knock my star down you knock our rookie down and we're gonna knock yours down Yeah, you know there was just none of that and you know to me I think that's weak if you guys were doing your podcast while you're still in the league would you make reporters subscribe before? That you can speak your mind not in the week I couldn't have no podcast no no do you I mean I went straight to the bitch ass referee suck? No. Do you, I mean. I went straight to the mid, bitch ass referee,

you suck last night, I've been calling names out all time. Yeah, I couldn't have done it, I couldn't have done it. No way. Would you have done it, man? No, it would. No. The only person that made me turn my crazy down was him because we couldn't have two real crazy motherfuckers.

Me and Jack didn't play on the team, I was the one. So it was was but I credit It's a new age You know what Dreyman has been able to do and you know to kind of set the tone with guys that are currently in it And you know when he was doing all his shit or in the finals and he wouldn't talk to people he would go Drop it fresh on it. I mean, I think that's amazing. Yeah, it's genius changes the game So I mean as far as Pat Bev tells what he can't talk to him because she didn't just subscribe is Attached world, but I mean that's Pat Bev. Yeah, I mean we love him. He obviously works with us

So yeah, we're like yeah, you should subscribe I think I think dream on does shit in games sometimes so that he can he's got good content to talk about his podcast Bump the ratings a little yeah, like yeah, this is I'm gonna talk shit about this. Yeah Yeah, I'm gonna choke Rudy Gay out, and then that, or Rudy Gobert out, and then afterwards, I'm gonna have, like, a number one podcast across all the charts. I'm gonna say exactly why I did it.

It was funny when he started talking about Pat Bev and what happened at their last game. It was like, dude, this is you. That was like the Spider-Man right there? Yeah, someone said it was like Osama Bin Laden breaking down ISIS game film Now but I mean I do think it's great I mean just think how far media has come Yeah, and it used to be in the papers and then you know now there would be the radio and then it was on TV

And now you're really getting it from the actual Recipient or the or the or the person that did you know me so yeah I think it's dope it's gotta be feel it's gotta feel freeing for players they know that they can control their own narrative also has to be that that fine line you know me because people know now like are you spending so much you need to get in the gym you need it because you always got that before we were even doing podcasts and doing shit talking to the fans so I couldn't imagine it now like you know having some bad games and still having to get this mic on yeah shit on the show.

And I would imagine it does change the locker room a little bit if there's a guy who's got a podcast in it. I'm just saying you can't. No, I don't know, but probably. Yeah. I mean, it would bother me if you go on your podcast every night and doing all that, but you're not performing on the court.

That would cause problems. I also would think it would be dope from a standpoint of just imagine, like, all the inside cool shit that we could tell people that happened on the plane, the locker rooms, the pranks, all that kind of fun shit. Oh, I actually had a question about that. Who is the best card player you ever played with? Card player? I think the biggest cheating card player is Chris Paul.

Somehow that motherfucker was always winning. Anthony Johnson or Jermaine O'Neal. Twisted out all the guys with the biggest, yeah. We used to have some heavy card games with that Clipper team. I remember when I got, so we had some at the indices where I got traded and I owed probably like 60, 70 racks to these motherfuckers.

So when I came back, I had cashier's checks for everyone I messed. How was Blake at cards? Good, but cheated too, I think. I just think we would, you know, we'd be so, you know, we'd have a few and just start going in the music and next thing you know Cards are being dealt from under the pile and shit's getting moved in this like the motherfuckers I had my fair share winning, but I definitely got hit over the head a couple times

Yeah, I like the idea of you going to like Bank of America be like okay. I need a cash Five thousand Chris Paul late Griffin These people are like, what the hell? Oh this is serious, I actually need this. Can we do some top five talk real quick? Let's do it.

All right, just give me your top five. Who's your top five right now? Top five players playing right now? Playing right now. Current. Jokic, No Order. Yep.

Jokic, Luka, Shy, Anthony Edwards. And I. And Edwards is already up there? Yeah, my top five right now playing. Yeah, Luka, Jokic, Luka, Shy, Anthony Edwards. And I. Anthony Edwards is already up there? Yeah, my top five right now, playing. Luka, Jokic, Anthony Edwards, Shy, and I probably would throw Embiid.

Okay, so notate him. Nah. Notate him. Seven, six, seven. Win the championship, he'll go up. Yep. Yeah, but they've been floating around, you know. Yeah, six, seven. Win the championship, he'll go up. Yeah, but they've been floating around, you know. Yeah, six, seven. Okay.

Has anyone ever took a bathroom break during the show? We'll wrap up soon. Okay. If you need to, you can. Yeah, I wanna spray the place up right quick. Okay, yeah, yeah, you can. Okay, and Matt gives you his five. I'm gonna do it on my top five?

Yeah, show him where it is. Yeah, Jackie used to pee on herself. Wait, you forgot. So we gotta pee, let him pee. Just so you know, Jack, you forgot Giannis. Yeah. What's that? Yeah, Giannis so you know, Jack you forgot Yanis. Yeah Okay, all right, he was hurt wait, well then beat is always healthy well All right, so he's going he used to pee on himself. Yeah, what do you games?

No, just you know his early days and early pre early teen days. I'll tell you when he gets back I don't have to it's not like I'm Disposing any new news. He just had a problem. He just pee on him Top five top five Yeah, again, no order and I'm not counting none of the older guys I got Yogic Luca Yannis Tatum.

Who? Who's that fifth? My fifth is probably. It's like SGA, Embiid. Embiid, SGA, I like Edwards, I think he had, this is his coming out party this year. I think obviously he's gonna jump in there very soon. I'd say my fifth would probably be, it would be in B.

I mean he's already got an MVP. I mean obviously Andrews has played a big role in his career, but yeah those are probably my top five. So you do have Tatum in your top five. I do have Tatum in my top five. I think he's very talented. I just think, as Jack said, I think they kinda raise the bar every time he gets good.

He's been doing really good for a long time. If you think about it, you know, coming in the Eastern Conference Finals, Rick Year's been to the Eastern Conference Finals, what, four or five times in the six years, been to the finals. I just think this year, you know, I want him to, I want Boston to win for this reason,

because I think he is overlooked at times and he is such a great talent, but I think he needs to win to get the respect from everyone else. Yeah, yeah. Wait, so, Jack. Jack, someone's, they're wondering if you really used to pee in the bed or if I was talking shit.

No, I did. What happened there? Until he was 19. No. 19? Don't take nothing. You were in the league, you were on road trips. It was older than that, 25?

KOE. King of exaggeration. Okay, okay. Yeah, just remember that. You had to pee on yourself, you pee on the bed. When I was probably like, till I was like 11 years old, I used to just pee in the bed and just didn't, I used to go to sleep, because I used to do a lot of drugs too. I used to go home and go to sleep and just fall asleep and wake up pissed everywhere, didn't even get up.

Remember how- And I feel it, I be like, shit I gotta go to the bathroom, fuck. Remember how Adam Sandler in the Waterboy had to hang your shit in the sheets on the on the clothes Lines in the bed. I have no shame in my game. I'm a G right now very successful I used to piss in the big room. Oh, yeah, you're a model citizen. Yeah how people can make it? I said hey, I said I too used to piss in the bed. You can make the NBA PSA for kids Don't matter you piss in the bed at a young age,

you too can piss yourself. Yeah, yeah. Well, this has been awesome, guys. I have one last question, rowback question, r-h-o-b-a-c-k.com, promo code take, 20% off your first purchase, cues, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback.com, promo code take.

Alexey just threw that in there. Yeah, we've been doing it for a while. You guys are pros. Shout out, rowback. You guys are good, good. I thought that was the question for us. Yeah, spell it back to me. That's the question. So the podcast has been going great. What's a dream guest? What's a dream guest right now? Michael Jordan for me. Okay. I think... He doesn't do interviews like that though. And I've been blowing his phone up too, so hopefully he just...

And does he respond? He's responded once. He just looks. And the next 10 I haven't got a response. And you keep going? I'm going, I'm, oh, nah. He's definitely changed his phone number. Might have, but hey, whoever it is after it, I'm pretty sure they'd know as Mike used to have this number,

so hopefully they can forward it to him. I'm not gonna stop texting. Yeah, MJ, but outside of MJ, I'd probably say maybe like Obama or The Rock. Oh, The Rock's a good one. Yeah. Have you guys maybe like Obama or the Rock. Oh the rocks a good one Yeah, have you guys had brawn on or no? No, do you think he would he said he I mean he said several times He would but you know, who knows there's a lot of going on in his life So obviously it would be amazing to sit down with him now that he's in the content game

He might understand a little bit more. Yeah, he's having to reach out to people and ask or he might want to save His good shit for his own shit. Yeah to reach out to people and ask them. Or he might want to save his good shit for his own shit. Yeah, that's true. That's a good point. He's told me several times, at Draymond Green's wedding, we had a few drinks, and he probably told me three or four times he was coming on the show.

So we'll see. Yeah. He would never lie. Yeah, after a couple drinks, and everyone will go on every show. Yeah, right? Aw, man, you can promise everybody something by that second drink.

I do it all the time. I can't wait to have a drink so I can lie to somebody. It would be an honor to have him. Yeah. It would be an honor to have a drink. So I Be honored to get brawned up Is there a player in the league right now that you would like to see develop a podcast? Anthony Edwards. Yes, I think he's got the personality. He's he's he's he's a up-and-coming star I mean, I think he is gonna be one of the faces of the league in the next couple years So I think he would be dope. I would like to see Jokic podcast, but just about horse racing.

Just strictly horses. Drinking beer and horse racing? Yeah, drinking beer and horse racing. I'd subscribe for that. Definitely, definitely. Well, guys, congrats on all the success. Thank you guys for coming by. Thanks for having us, man.

We'd love to have you on. And yeah, appreciate it. All y'all fans, can y'all be our fans now? Yes. Well, yeah, because you said you'd fight for me. Yeah, I got it. Yeah, all right. So that's,'s yeah they'll all go some once we locked up we locked in for like okay I might have some people I might need you to

come back to the office we're doing a we're doing like a survivor yeah I might need you just walk around with me I've done I've had a couple fights too I'll help you guys all right yeah both you guys can just walk by the bodyguard yeah there's a guy named Brandon Walker you're gonna pass by. What do you guys say? Hit him in the face. Be careful because it might happen as long as you got the legal bills. I got it here. Thank you guys. Thank you guys for having us.

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Okay, fire fest of the week Hank. I mean, I don't He he should be exempt Hank should not do a fire fest this week Pass on Hank pass on Hank. There's Max. He would do a fire fest. My fire fest is Hank Okay, mine's also a fire fest Hey kind of legitimate one earlier this week. Yeah, you already did it Max by the way, what are you max you go to the water dogs tomorrow water? Oh, yeah, or yep Saturday Sunday

I'll be I'll be on the field rooting on our dogs Michael Sowers Coming and Saturday and Sunday Michael Sowers is the man he's gonna have 10 goals. I don't know. I think I think that's a lot in lacrosse over two games. Do you have to? I promise the water dogs free bar tab if you'd like to match with me or just split with me. They have to go to know this weekend and win a fight. Okay if they win two fights then I'll double.

Okay all right. Perfect. Love it. So, Max, your, uh, your fire fest is Hank? Uh, yeah, no. That's your boss, bro. Boston. All of Boston is my fire fest.

Hank is your boss. I also learned a fun fact about Boston. Do you know that they're not allowed to have bottomless mimosas or happy hour because they get in too many bar fights? That rocks. That would be such an honor to have- Yeah, youas or happy hour because they get too many bar fights that rocks That that would be so you thought it to have your city have to pass a law because you guys party too hard Max that's not that's not partying too hard fight. Just getting fighting each other actually getting drunk and fighting is yeah That's like the definition of party to getting into bottomless mimosas fights is pretty funny. Yeah, that's like that's like Zoolander

Yeah, that's your boss you're talking about max whatever okay Pft. We're skipping you Hank. Yeah, Hank doesn't get a fire fest I actually think he shouldn't get one this week or next week Yeah, agreed because he had he had the 24 hours of a lifetime. Unless something really bad happens to him. Like that growth on his. I was swollen swollen lymph node. Have you been partying? What if the math just come back? Oh my God. Let's talk about it, Max. Let's talk about it. I mean, how good would it be though, Max? You can't actually think that. No, I don't at all. There's

You you do because you said it out loud. I know well, I'm just thinking like we We just gave Hank all his flowers like the next episode doesn't even matter This does feel like we're writing Hank off the show Yeah, yeah, right. Like this is a big happy. Goodbye for Hank But it would be hilarious if the Mets came back. You think there's a chance. No, I don't. I'm not watching any more games. No, you do. I'm not watching a single game the rest of the series. Okay. Zero. I'll be watching zero basketball. I'll text you updates. Thanks. I'll need them. PFT, your Fire Fest. My Fire Fest. I guess tying back to something from last episode,

the USA tied Brazil in soccer, which was our first tie against Brazil ever, which doesn't really mean shit because we've also beaten them in the past. But the answers like that's our first tie against Brazil. Let's go. That's what losers soccer people are sometimes. But we are losers soccer. We are losers soccer people. So we were like, it was a good thing that we tied Brazil, but this is like the nightmare scenario for me and people like me who are burl halter out guys, Greg out guys. I think are we a burl halter out podcast? Sure. I think we are. We're just, the US is what we are in soccer. I just, that's my my stance for the longest time. It's like if we want to what didn't you say, PFT, we have to go to the elite eight next year. Yeah,

quarterfinals in the World Cup and we've got a good enough team. The players are good enough to do it. But our coaches, we're not a top level soccer country, but we have other sports that we care about. And I care about those other sports more. Our coach, our coach stinks. And having him get this tie against Brazil is going to because we are a loser country in soccer. What does our coach think? What does he do that makes us think he doesn't play the best players? That's good.

They don't play hard. They don't play hard for him. Usually we lose to inferior opponents and we've always stunk. But the difference is now all of our players are good like you can't say that our players aren't good anymore because but what if our starting in like the same no but they're better because they're starting in the EPL they're starting in La Liga how many of them all of them I think all of our players I think all of our starting players are yeah are starting in the EPL no not in the EPL I'm talking about

the big European leagues. Okay. All of them are. So they're really good. What if the rest of the world just got a little worse that probably that might've been why we did COVID. Yeah. Like I just knocked everybody down a peg. I'm down to be burr halter out. I also just don't know. Um, we're just, we're not going to win a world cup. So like, who cares who cares probably not we probably won't win one in the near You're sounding like you're sounding like mad. You're sounding like the Mavs coming back in this, but what if we did? In in 2000 in 2002 we should have made the semi-finals people forget that but it would rock this this team will be good enough But the fact that we tied to Brazil in a meaningless game an exhibition

Means that the US Soccer Federation is gonna be and exhibition means that the U.S. Soccer Federation is going to be like Greg's got the team on the right track and he's not like he does and he's not going to be fired. Sounds like he does. We've never done that before. We have never tied Brazil. We have beaten them. Are a team versus their a team. Yeah. Back in 1998 I think in a tournament in a bigger game Listen their tournament. No, it's a friendly getting ready for the South American tournament Anyways, my point is that this was this was a bad tie because now it's gonna keep our shitty coach around because people are gonna Be like good job Greg you're coaching for your job and you got a major win when you tied Brazil Although I will say that's we won that tie. It's just like when we when we beat England 0-0 is his

Is it like is his job even in jeopardy? I think it would have been if we got smoked by Brazil cuz Columbia friendly Yeah, cuz Columbia beat us 5 to 1 like two days ago You get fired over a friendly if the team stinks and then we're going into this big tournament and then they stink in the tournament Then Greg could have been fired but now now we got too much momentum and we're probably gonna be good in the tournament and then Greg's gonna be around for the World Cup. I feel like I've heard about this guy getting fired forever now.

He was fired like two years ago they didn't renew his contract and then he went on a coaching search and they're like Greg wasn't so bad. Yeah so they they're just bluffing. I don't know I don't know what's happening, but I do know that it's going to be bad news if he's the coach of the World Cup team. And that's the only thing I I don't really care about EPL soccer or any like European soccer. I do care about international. I like watching the U.S. men's team do well. And I do, too. This is bad. I just know what our ceiling is.

I think the most realistic U.S US men's national team fan of all time. I think our ceiling is probably the semi finals at the very best in the next World Cup. Okay. Maybe even what happens if we get bounced in the first in the in the group play then burr halter out. Okay. And then the next guy will get us to well then we'll rehire burr halter after like bounce the first round okay yeah i guess if you're going to be shitty it's actually not bad to have a scapegoat if we're going to be if we're going to be a bad team if we end up sucking in the south american tournament and then we suck in the world cup i could always be like our players are so good if we just had a good coach we would have

won he actually burr halter might be the greatest thing for us men's national team because it gives fans Hope that is coaching change will change the entire Outcome of the history of soccer in this country when we have years and years and years of history to tell us it won't But you can tell yourself that burr halter out will change that if you do fire burr halter And then the next guy comes and we just are the same exact soccer country, you might have to face the fact that we are what we are. Yeah, like last season, got a new owner in DC. Didn't really have anybody to blame the shittiness on. Right, right. You don't want to have that happen. You want the scapegoat.

Yeah, so I could see myself being Burrhalter in just so that I guarantee myself a scapegoat Yeah, but he's still a shitty coach. That's okay. I've said I'm gonna follow your lead So I'll go burr halter out for now as of right now Okay, my fire fest. I don't know if I should tell this story, but I'll just tell it fuck it. I got in a I Got in a splash battle with like a seven-year-old at the water park yesterday. I don't know if that was me being a bad person or not. I would like you guys to tell me if I'm a bad person or not.

Did you win? So, here's what happened. Went to the water park, took my son. I'm on vacation with my family and then a couple friend and then their kid as well so we went to the water park having a great time about to leave the water park and this seven-year-old comes up to me and he just starts splashing me in the face like legit eye contact splashing me in the face and I said I turned to him as a can you please stop splashing me in the face and he kept on

splashing me in the face and then I kept on splashing me in the face. And then I said it a little louder, because how it works at these water parks is like, there's parents kind of around watching. So if you, you know, I said, please stop splashing me in the face, hoping a parent would be like, hey, Johnny, stop splashing that man with the SpongeBob body and the big tits in the face.

And I would be like, okay, great. Doesn't, no Doesn't no parent. No parent looks up. No parents says anything. Another time. Please stop splashing me in the face. Kid just standing there splashing me in the face three times. So I just went tsunami splash.

Like one of these just absolutely just smashed him in the face with a splash and then he left i think you had to do that i think you're right but here's why not because you were being splashed but because your children were there and if they see their dad getting bullied by a seven-year-old right and losing a splash fight right that's the worst thing that could ever that's something that they'll be in therapy for for 60 years it was one one splash and done. I didn't... I didn't... I could have stayed there and just kept on splashing the kid if I wanted to, but I didn't want to. I just wanted to end the issue. Because he was like almost following me splashing me in the face. Now your son will get to go to school and say like, my dad could splash the fuck out of your dad.

Yeah, because I'm already dealing with the whole, like, the kid in his class is, his dad is stronger than me, so I needed to do something to get a little bit of power back. Yeah. Do you think this is fair play? I think it's totally fair play, yeah. There's only gonna be two splashes if my dad gets a hold of your dad. Him splashing the water, your dad's head splashing open on the pavement. I've been feeling bad about it, but I really-

Yeah, if the parents don't step in, you just gotta, if I really don't step in. So you just gotta just parents don't step in. You gotta do what you gotta do. Right. It was just, it was just a quick splash right back in his face. Then he was gone and he didn't even care. It wasn't, well, he didn't cry or anything. He just literally just left the scene. He's like, all right, I can't pick on this guy anymore because he was picking on me.

Legit picking on me. I felt picked on and there's nothing I could do. Also, I've had the revelation just being on vacation and pool environments. The light bulb. You have weird moments as a parent where the light bulb clicks and you're like, God damn it. I sucked so much as a kid for my parents trying to get my kids out of the pool. It like clicked. I had that moment where I was like, I remember vividly just never get refusing to get out of the pool as a kid. And how much that must

have sucked because it sucks. Because you know that your parents have have clothes on. Right. You can you're in a pool, you can just be like, No, I used to do the thing where I would lay down where I'd lay on my back and pretend that I couldn't hear because my ears were under the water. Yeah. And I would just lay there and or like go underwater and just keep going underwater and then come up for a little breath and go back underwater and just stay in the pool forever. If you're swimming around you're making the splash noises you can't hear anything. Right. Yeah.

It's a strong move and I don't think the kids are gonna stop doing that anytime soon. No, they're smart. They're very smart. All right, Jake, you want to finish this off? Yeah. I've been back on a pickleball kick lately and this happened last year. anytime soon. No, they're smart. They're very smart. All right, Jake, you want to finish off? Yeah. Um, I've been back on a pickleball kick lately and this happened last year. I was standing in front of the kitchen and accidentally hit a winner in a lady's face. Oh, that's way worse than me splashing that seven year old.

Yeah. I said, sorry, she was okay, but the guilt afterwards was bad. We won the point but we lost a lot more. So this is the second time you smashed a woman in the face? During a pickleball point. You keep finding yourself getting your balls in women's faces. Well, yeah, the way it works is if you're both at the kitchen, you leave a ball high. So the woman should be in the kitchen. Yeah, right.

Got it. Oh, but I think Jake's saying she shouldn't be in the kitchen. No, she wasn't in the kitchen. She wasn't in the kitchen. Oh, and that was your problem. You were punishing her for not being in the kitchen. No, if she was in the kitchen, she'd be disqualified. Jake Bucke, yeah.

Yeah. But any high ball in front of the kitchen, you're putting it away. Just happened to hit her and I felt bad. Did you just do the racket in the air or did you go to her? Yeah. No, I'm just like, sorry. Did she make a noise?

Not that I know of. Did she yelp? No, I just said, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, are you OK? And she started crying and was like god damn it Jake did you make a noise when you hit it? Uh, I don't think so, there's not as much grunting in pickleball That's a lot Jake makes a lot

You leave the podcast no No I do here and there but not like tennis Yeah You grunted in ping pong Oh, yeah Okay, different sports No that's less than pickleball Yeah that's less than pickleball I'm not going to lie. I'm not age. Okay, are you are you ever catching yourself playing like against elderly people? Yeah, it happens. But that's what makes pickleball so great is like, you know, age, gender, it doesn't

really matter. Like people, older people can really be good at this game. Yeah, I saw I read something that was like pickleball was invented to, like, to finally try to get back at boomers who have like ruined the entire country to just get them to play this sport and get injured, which I kind of like that theory. Yeah, but it's a very inclusive game. It's fun. Okay, except if you're across from Jake and outside the kitchen, you get smashed. Is a one on one game. It's a one-on-one game It's mostly doubles Mix doubles or was it you and a guy against two girls?

This game was pick up so it was just like four on four off So it was me and a guy against a guy and a girl. Okay, and you smashed the girl because she was not in the kitchen No, but oh my god memes already did a he did a face smash of. Bucker and Jake March. Oh my god. That was so quick. Yeah, that was really quick. That was no.

But yeah, I respect appreciate women. Yes. Okay. Yeah, I respect, appreciate women. Yes. OK, that didn't end. I mean, anything I said, you guys would have. Yeah. Worked your magic. OK, OK. Should we do numbers, PFT? You're going to have to. Yeah, I got it.

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