Pardon My Take - Matt Leinart And Iowa HC Kirk Ferentz

Episode Date: November 30, 2018

The Cowboys have created the blueprint on how to beat the Saints. Skip Bayless is on fire. (2:26-12:08) Week 13 NFL preview and picks and we're excited for maybe the last Big Ben vs Phil Rivers game of our lifetime. (12:09-23:03) Fantasy Fuccbois. Matt Leinart joins the show to talk about the College Football Playoff, who wins the Heisman, fixing USC, and a story about the famous Bush Push win against Notre Dame. (29:27-1:03:29) Iowa Hawkeyes Head Coach Kirk Ferentz joins the show to accept Football Guy of the Week, go off on chop blocking, and give us the urban dictionary meaning of Football Guy. (1:06:26-1:18:55) Ehhhh for DJ Khaled and Floyd Mayweather being charged with fraud for cryptocurrency,(1:24:13-1:27:08) Just Chill Out Man Rovell,(1:27:09-1:33:25) Perspective for the Redskins, (1:33:26-1:35:45) and an update on our Lowman Trophy, (the trophy awarded to the best Fullback in the Country.)(1:35:46-1:40:52) You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

Hey, pardon my take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen, ad-free, on Amazon Music. On today's part of my take, we have a twofer for the people we have. Heisman Trophy winner, national champion and recurring guest, Matt Leiner, and Iowa Hawkeye's head football coach, Kirk Ferrantz, who accepts Football Guy of the Week. We have picks, we have fantasy fuckboys, we have Hank's grab bag, we have to figure out our Revelle situation, we have a pack show, it is Friday.

You know that you're going to listen to the whole thing, you better. And you better listen to the ads because we have Larry's picks. So PFT, what game are we going to go first? We're going to start with the Browns at the Texans. Let's go Baker. All right. Let's go Texans. Let's do it.

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Let's go. Bye. Bye. Now in the street there is violence and then a lot of stuff will have to be done. No place to hang out or wash in and then I can't blame all on the sun. Welcome to part of my take presented by Seek Geek. Today is Friday, November 30th. PFT, do you know what happened tonight?

I know a lot of things happened tonight. There's one big thing that happened tonight. You ready for it? One big thing. Yes. Ready for it? Brandon Marshall cost the Saints a playoff spot. No.

A blueprint on how to beat the Saints. Okay. Well, it's a copycat league. It is a copycat league. The best thing that you can have happen is a game like tonight where the Cowboys somewhat stunned the Saints, I think, because people all agree the Saints were the best team in the NFL. And then we can have everyone say, well, the blueprint is out and here's the blueprint.

You got to play at home. So you got to stay away from New Orleans. You have to have an all-time defensive performance from your defense. You have to have an all-time terrible performance from Drew Brees. You have to have a coach that secretly wants the Cowboys job. So maybe he takes the foot off the gas a little bit and he's like, I really want to come home. So I'm not going to try to show up, Jerry Jones team. I thought it was going to be another way around.

I thought it was going to be Sean Payton trying to show off for him, but instead it was Sean Payton being a gentleman and tossing his two challenge flags in the first quarter. OK, so that's the other part. You got to have your coach also throw the challenge flags very early. So that way, when there's a terrible first down mark, he can't challenge it in the fourth quarter. You also have to stop him at fourth and goal in the first quarter. And if you do all that, there's the blueprint.

The Saints are beatable. And get a touchback called by a half inch. That helps too. No, I actually think that you need to install a 60-yard video monitor over top of your field. That way, Sean Payton just wants to see more replays. That's why he throws the flag. Like that board kicks ass. Oh, it does.

Did you see him staring at it? Yeah. He was watching the board. How can you not? How can you not? Seriously, though, the Cowboys really, really good performance from them. The defense, they haven't, they had an underrated defense now. I think everyone was going to properly rate it because that was might swing the other

way. Yeah. Because that was, I mean, the Saints have the best offense. Juby's having a unbelievable MVP season and they just held them to 10 points. Yeah. Shut them out in the first half. Cowboys, it's insane. This is the NFL.

This is why the NFL is the best league because we had Jason Garrett fired, dead, buried four weeks ago and they've just won four games in a row and they beat the best team in the league on Thursday night football and now the Saints are beatable. So you guys think what I'm thinking? Dunchain the Saints? No, the Bears are probably going to get the one seed. There you go. Actually, I think Jason Garrett might have inadvertently shot himself in the foot.

So if his team is good enough to make the playoffs and get their asses kicked in the first round of the playoffs, that makes them way more fire. Correct. Then if he goes like nine and seven and doesn't make or make it, if he goes nine or PFT, this is, this is the game where everyone looked at the Cowboys, the rest of their schedule. They have five games left or now they have four games left and they said, well, they're definitely going to have a loss against the Saints. And now that they have the win against the Saints, they are in the position like the

Cowboys are in first place. It's their division to lose. So when they lose it, Jerry Jones can fire Jason Garrett and hire Sean Payton. Yes. I mean, that's probably so. Well, I, so I looked it up today. I've been saying for the last like eight, eight months that Sean Payton is going to be the coach of the Dallas Cowboys next year.

He still has, I think three years or two years left on his contract. So I'm not saying that Jerry Jones won't offer up a meatball of a trade if he feels like it. So he can give Sean Payton a John Gruden type contract because I mean, how many years does Jerry Jones really have left on this earth? Many. I think he's going, he's in fucking mode. No.

He's a candidate for stealing a bunch of like teenage blood or his son's blood staying alive forever. The guy who cleans his glasses. Yeah. That's his second job. He's got some kind of cryotherapy going on in Dallas where he's going to live forever. Also find the cure for old age and just keep it for himself. Yeah.

Absolutely. 100%. Yes. I'm not, I'm not sharing with those boys. Maybe he would give it to a couple of his strippers too. Yeah. The one with them. Yeah.

The only one. Yeah. He's in a monogamous, monogamous relationship with one stripper. Here's the thing about the Cowboys defense that's going to be actually very hard to replicate. Their linebackers. Yeah. Are really good. They're fast and they're big.

Did you know that Vanderesh played seven on seven football? Did you know that he played on basically just like a gravel pit? He played in a parking lot in high school. It's great too. Everyone's shocked that they made the correct draft pick. They made a good draft pick. So he is going to be hyped forever. He's like, can you believe this guy?

Yeah. He's like, he's like a, um, a Sean Lee. They can stay healthy. No. You know what he really is? Is he is brought back the cowboy collar. Yeah. He did bring back the cowboy collar.

And then Jalen Smith has one too. Yes. So seeing those two in the back, like those linebackers are, they might be the best duo in the game right now. He's everything that I wanted. Uh, Shane McClellan to be pretty much like, was it better to tie that back to the back? No, but I don't know. I mean, while he's played in a lot of teams, played for the Patriots too, but like he is

everything. Bare for life though. He's a terrible player, but he is like, you, when you draft a guy like that from a small school, a white linebacker, it's a 50, 50 chance that he's going to be like this or he's going to be like, Oh, that guy sucks. Why did you waste a first round draft pick Bobby Carpenter style? Yeah. Yeah.

Right. No, I think you're right. Like, uh, but the thing is with, with the saints, the offense, the whole year had basically been run through Camara in one form or another, whether it was the passing game or the running game. And now you have a linebacker that's not that much slower than Camara and he was able to cover them on the, on the passing routes, made the, the hot routes harder to hit. Yeah.

They just looked the defense, that Dallas defense matches up well. I would even say like if they played that game in the Superdome, the defense matches up well against the saints. Okay. But you're forgetting one thing. Dak Prescott. I am so excited for Dak Prescott to play in a playoff game and watch him fail and bet against him and be like, yeah, this is what we, I mean, it's Dak Prescott.

Like he, he is, he, he actually statistically had a decent game. But would you ever trust Dak Prescott on like a big, you know, maybe fourth, fourth quarter has to, has to drive the team down the field, can't, can't rely on penalties and weird plays. Like you saw it even when, when they were in the red zone and he fumbled on a third downs like, dude, you just got to hold on to the ball. You got to hold on to the ball. Now Cam Jordan also like made a he-man effort to get there, but still Dak Prescott will

be the undoing of the Cowboys and they'll still have to extend them. Yeah. They'll have to be Dak eventually. And then the other big story coming out of tonight's game was Skip Bayliss is back. Yeah. In a big, big way. Oh yeah. Skip is excited.

Stephen A. Smith is going to have a rough day tomorrow because he came in strutting, wearing his, his Drew Brees jersey and his cowboy hat. Um, he is, uh, he's going to have to eat some crow tomorrow. I wouldn't be surprised if he accidentally calls Max Kellerman skip tomorrow. Well, so we, you know, we were going to do King's Day Kings, but we might as well do it right now because it's been a whole day for Skip Bayliss. It started with a Tebow tweet, basically saying, uh, tune in next to undisputed, can Tim Tebow still play in the NFL?

Unbelievable. Yeah. Unbelievable. Well, here's the thing. Probably could. Yeah. Probably could. Skip prepped for this game by watching, you know, five minutes of Saints highlights,

so he could see what other teams in the league there were besides the Dallas Cowboys. Yes. And he saw a couple of clips of Taysum Hill and he was like, that's Tebow. Yeah. That's my Tebow. Tebow can play. That is Tebow. That guy can play Tebow camp.

The, well, I mean, in Nathan Peterman, didn't he get a trial for the Lions? Yeah. So. I'm starting to connect the dots right now. I've had a very itchy day. I've just been, which is weird. I've just been itchy. I've been itchy.

You actually said, you said to us, you're like, Hey, do you guys ever have a day where you're just itchy? Yeah. I don't think so, man. I'm just itchy. You know what it is. You got a disease, a skin disease. I'm wearing the Nathan Peterman shirt and it's burning because he's getting a trial

right now. Yes. Yes. Problem solved. Yeah. It's, it's like a voodoo doll. Yeah. Someone's putting pins in it as we speak.

Yeah. Yeah. And then skip had the game where he was tweeting, he found, he found the, the exclamation point tonight and he hammered it about 5,000 exclamation points used and it all ended with tell Shannon Sharp, he'd better call in sick for tomorrow's undisputed because I know he's sick right now. All caps. I guarantee you that skip Bayless has like a browser extension that just automatically

changes whenever you type Stephen A Smith to Shannon Sharp. Yes. I can't make that mistake. No one does the, the tweeting that's like the worst where you do, you can't after the play is over, you have no idea what he's talking about. He has a, he has a tweet from like three in a row, it's a warrior. No exclamation, exclamation point, exclamation point, read option, keep thank you. All four, those are four different tweets.

No idea what the context is there, but skip was on fire. He is back and shout out to Randy Gregory. You were off the hook because you had one of the dumbest games for that. That would have been like the whole weed thing. Yeah. You've been failing like a million different drug tests. That all makes sense. That would have been his Leon left game.

This was pretty bad for him. He do it. I mean, how bad do you have to fuck up to rough the saints punter? He's out there like he's, but he's probably had three punts this whole season. So I kind of actually blame Dallas and that a little bit, the coaching, like why are you even letting a guy get close to him? You know what I mean? Well, what do you want him to do?

Just, just stand there, just stand there and make sure they don't fake it. You're midfield. You don't, you're not going to, you're not like blocking, trying to block a punt there where you're up 13, nothing or whatever the score was 13, 3, get the ball back and, and try to score and put the game away. Don't give them basically a turnover when you roughed the punter there. Yeah. There was also a lot of suspect officiating that call was correct, but there was some

stuff that they missed the head to head hit on Camara. They missed that. They missed a face mask on DAC and our friend Mike prayer came in and said, well, this is actually the most senior officiating crew in the NFL. Mike was throwing a little shade tonight. Yeah, he was. He was doing. How do you not?

So week 13, that really sounds terrible saying that out loud. Yeah. Come on, man. Week 13. I really like the fact that we, I got a little crying. We got four. I have a little crying. My voice.

Give me a second. Can I give you a tip? Something that helped me in the past. Okay. So I've been feeling like the, the ultimate Sunday scaries for the last probably six weeks every time you say on Monday morning, what week it is. Yeah. I mean, I keep reminding myself after week 17, we still have four weeks, but it goes

so quickly and it's so quick and it's only a few just had, just had only 11 games and it doesn't help. We're going to get to the college football, the weekend and the playoffs with Matt liner in a second. It doesn't help that all the college football games this weekend are like double digit lines and they all feel like games. I'm sure want to be close, but it does feel like, I mean, Texas, Oklahoma, yeah, that should be good.

Fuck, man. Awesome. I know. Back in October, red river, two blue bloods going at it. Come on, man. I got the crowd. I need you. I need you to pull it together.

All right. So week 13, we have a couple of good games, a couple of really bad games. So let's go through it. Let's, let's give a little preview. We want to do the, are we sure they're good game? I have two, two games for that. Okay. You go first though.

My, this is going to trigger Hank, but it's New England, Minnesota. Yup. That was one of mine because I mean, New England looked like shit last week. They won. Well, no, but they look bad. Here's what it is. It was a great test for both teams. So I feel like whoever wins that game, especially if it's a, you know, a very definitive win,

you were going to sit, come away and say, okay, that team's ready for the playoffs. Do you think they unflex this game because of Kirk Cousins or because of Tom Brady? Probably Kirk Cousins. Three weeks in a row of Kirk Cousins on Sunday night is a little too much for him. We've had our full dose of Kirk. Yeah. Right. Right.

Although they want to keep loving football. They did put up the stats side by side for Cousins and Brady Cousins. If we were to do like a blind comparison of the two Cousins has had a much better statistical year. Yes. Tom Brady, much, much better. Cousins also is one of those sneaky guys. He's got the Matt Stafford disease where if against teams that finished like over 500,

he's atrocious. Oh dude. Trust me. I know all about the Kirk Cousins disease. So bad. Yeah. My other, are we sure they're a good game? I threw it in there, Packers Cardinals and this is obviously the Cardinals aren't good,

but if the Packers have any chance of going to the playoffs, they got to win this game by like 21. Yeah. So I went back and I looked at the tape of Aaron Rodgers, the very first game that he mentioned after last week's loss when they asked him how they could get to the playoffs. First thing he said was, well, we got to beat the Cardinals. Right. So that was number one on his list.

But you know what? Like this is what the Packers are going to fucking do. They're going to hang around and everyone's going to, I already saw the graphic. It's like, this is what needs to happen for the Packers to get there. If they don't win this game by 21, don't even do the graphics. Don't even worry about it. The Cardinals are that bad. Josh Rosen, I already can close my eyes.

He's going to, he's going to go nine for 16 for 96 yards. So every three years we have that year with Larry Fitzgerald, where you just feel bad for him all year. And you're like, God damn it, Larry. You're saying happening since like 1982. Yeah. And I think this might be the worst year for just feeling bad for Larry. This are the John Skelton year.

Yeah. He should have retired a couple of years. He should have retired with Carson Palmer. Yeah. It should have just been done. Just take that thick ass out of the league. Yeah. Loser leaves town.

Give me your loser leaves town. Redskins Eagles. Okay. That is actually like whoever loses that. Yeah. They're pretty much toast. So I have that as well, but we usually don't talk about Monday night games on Friday. So I also did a backup Panthers box because if the Panthers don't get right, that's it

for them too. I think. Okay. So when I was going through this, I was under the wrong impression for what the games would be. I thought it had to include both teams. Well, the Bucks too. I mean, the Bucks, I feel like are loser leaves town all the time because everyone on that

team is playing for a job like James Winston's playing for his job next year. Durt Cutter is playing for his job right now. Durt Cutter already said that, that James Winston is going to be around a lot longer than he is. Yeah. He says he's going to fire himself or yeah. Or just die. And then game of the week.

I think we agree. Charger Steelers. Yes. Our two favorite quarterbacks. We need as a country, okay, everyone who's listening to this right now, take a deep breath, take a pause, fill rivers, big Ben. We might not have them for many more years. This is, yeah, this is one of the last times these two get together.

It's like a band where you're like, this band's getting up there in age. This might be the last time we can see them come through town. Let's buy some tickets. Let's have a great time. Let's really enjoy this night. Yeah. Buy the t-shirt for this concert. Burn a little.

You know what I'm saying? Burn a little. Sit there. You know, have a little fun. Take some pictures. Just enjoy yourself. It's just comforting seeing those two guys out on the same field. Yeah.

Okay. This goes back to 2004. Is that it? 2005? We'll get some throwback pictures of both of them at the draft. Yeah, we'll get maybe Eli holding the Chargers jersey with his mouth open, looking like a fucking idiot. Yeah.

Wait, wait, Eli Manning? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I guess Eli Manning did that at one point. Big Ben, young Big Ben with his ill-fitting suit. He's grown into a suit. I think he still owns the same suit.

I think he bought a suit when he was 22 and was like, well, eventually I'll get fat. Yeah. I'll grow into this one. Yeah. One day where his face still looked fat, but his neck was skinny. That old Big Ben. Yes. Yeah.

He's seen Phillip Rivers under the lights. It's great too. Because he's got, what happens is he gets that sweat going on his cheek and when he screams it really pops in the light. Is Melvin Gordon going to play? I don't think so. I don't think so. Yeah.

But here's the thing, Austin Eckler, pretty good. Yeah, but Melvin Gordon has been like the game changer for them. So we'll see. I don't know. I would probably lean Steelers there, but that's going to be, that's, like I said, that's a game. You drop everything, watch that Sunday Night Game. It's going to be a great memory.

No matter what, the handshake at the end of the game between Joey Bosson and TJ Watt is probably going to last for seven minutes, just complimenting each other. Yeah. And Phil Rivers, Phil Rivers, Big Ben might just spit in each other's mouth. Yeah. Just walk off. Snowball each other. Big Ben might just criticize Phil Rivers.

He's like, well, he's not a teammate, but he played on the same field as me. Big Ben criticizing teammates and now being like, why can't, what was it, Odell, criticize? They're both assholes. Is that okay? Yeah. That's fine to say. Yeah. I was just going to say like they're both assholes.

Yeah. Big Ben's earned the right though. Yeah. Big Ben has the rings. Yeah. Wide receiver rings. Yeah. It's the most important stat in the game.

Yes. Wide receiver rings and defensive tackle rings. That's why Megatron to me is one of the worst receivers of all time. Oh, it's garbage. No. No. His best record just got broken by Adam Thielen, bro. Yeah.

True. Adam Thielen's better than Calvin Johnson. True. Fact. All right. Do you want to do a couple of picks and then we'll do Fancy Fuck Boys and then we'll do Matt Liner and Kirk Ferenc. Yeah.

Yeah. So my over is Minnesota, New England, 49. Hmm. That's a pretty big number. Yeah. I don't really trust the New England defense and I think that their offense at home is going to be pretty good. Okay.

I'm going to take, I'm going to take for my over, fuck, I wasn't thinking about doing the over first. Oh, I'm going to take Rams Lions because I don't think the Lions are going to be able to pass rush at all. So 55 and a half, Jared Goff going to throw it all over the place and the Rams defense, you know what I mean? Like they, they can give up yards. Two best looking coaches in the game, Sean McVeigh and Matt Patricia.

Yeah. That's, do you think Sean McVeigh is going to like bring a razor in his back pocket? He'll be like, let me clean you up. Do you remember that movie Angus from back in the day? Those two coaches. Was it The Weird Kid? Yeah. Those two coaches could remake Angus together.

Yeah. Yeah. The Weird Kid. Did he have something wrong with him? No. He's just weird. Okay. Are you sure?

Yeah. I mean, well, back then we didn't have a name, a fancy name for everything. Right. Right. Got it. One of those situations. Got it. All right.

I'll go with my favorite of the week. I'm going to go with the Colts because I don't think Cody Kessler's good. Not going to give him a fair shot. No, he's not good. Yeah. Colts minus four. Okay. I like that.

So my favorite. Oh, we haven't done the under yet. We're just going to favorite. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. My favorite is I'm taking New England minus five. Okay.

So you're double dipping on that game? I'm double dipping. Double dip on that game. All right. My under. I'm going to go with 49er Seahawks. 46. Okay.

Oh. I just took a bunch of shit over. That's God telling me don't bet under. Don't take the under. Yeah. All right. What do you got? Mine is Jets Titans.

40 Jets. Oh, 40 and a half. Yeah. It's pretty tempting, right? Yes, it is. Making my mouth water. Yeah. All right.

And then my underdog is going to be the Cleveland Browns plus five and a half. Okay. All right. Yeah. You would select that. Come on Brownies. I really hope the Browns are coming off a big Monday night win. Emotional.

Bobby McNair, right? Yeah. They're still riding that. So you think Jerry Jones saw that was like, maybe I should fake my own death. Oh, he's like, wow. Get a spark going. Now I'm the owner of Texas. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. He's like, do I own this team now? I own both teams. Hostile takeover of Houston. Yeah. All right. Give us your underdog and we'll do fantasy fuck boys. My underdog.

My under is San Francisco. Plus 10. Oh, your underdog. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Plus 10. Hank, what do you got?

Pats. It's going to trigger you a little bit PFT, but everyone's been talking about the Rams, Chiefs, Saints. They've all been kind of showing us frauds. They have weaknesses. This will be the week the Pats propel themselves back to the top of the league. I'm not triggered at all. Okay.

Yeah. I also bet on them. Then what you said I would get triggered when you said it earlier. No, I said you get triggered by Kirk Cousins being an empirically better quarterback than Tom Brady. Question, Hank. Yes. Whose age are you more concerned about?

Rob Gronkowski's or Tom Brady's? Tom Brady's. Okay. Hmm. Rob has Gronkowski. Rob Gronkowski has looked older. Yeah. He has.

Yes. Except he cut all his hair off. Pretty damn good last week. Do you see that tie dye that he was in? Yeah. The add for the detergent. Yeah, no. I mean, when he's healthy, he's obviously still the best, you know, tight end behind Travis

Kelsey. Yeah. Obviously. And George Kittle. Did that trigger you? George Kittle. The new breed of tight ends. But that's, I can't imagine like the punishment that a guy like Rob, like Gronk's body has

taken. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think he went through kind of a crisis this off season to determine whether or not he wanted to come back and play. Don't think about it. Yeah. Oh, I don't blame at all.

But he had like his Britney Spears moment. You remember when she went crazy and shaved her head? That's where Rob did this off season. He's a guy who came into the NFL with a broken back. You know, like that was why, you know, like he had the mark on the draft and everything and he's gone through a million injuries. Big dogs. So.

Stop. Okay. Stop saying that. I didn't say I'm not saying. Talk about people getting injured. I'm asking you a question. I'm asking you questions. It's talking about football to John Watson does run in a way that looks like he might get

injured. Got wide legs. Yeah. It's not. I'm just saying it almost seems like you're rude for people to get in. No, we don't know as someone who's dealing with a shoulder injury to his quarterback right now. Mr. Biskie.

I do not Hank. Chase Daniel. Yeah. How are you feeling? I believe in Chase. Are you feeling okay about that? Fuck yeah, man. Chase Daniel, bro.

Alpha beta. He's going to do it. He's going to do it again. He's just going to keep doing it. He's going to do the damn thing. All right. Let's do fantasy. Fuck boys.

PFT you start. Hey, what's up? This is Giovanni. Get all of you. I'm here to tell you I'm starting Brad Davidson. That's right. I'm starting that kid out of Wisconsin. That little gritty kid with his slow feet.

That kid steps in the lane. He's going to take a charge. I call him the ATM machine because you run your credit card rental and he'll take that charge. Oh yeah. Brad Davidson was cut. Crew. I'm sitting Pat Mahomes.

That's right. I'm sitting Patty Mahomes this weekend. He's reported to sign a deal with Hunt's catch up. Huh? Hunt's catch up? Huh? Clearly inferior brand of catch up to Heinz. Are you kidding me?

I'm making some decision making. You think you can beat the Steelers in the playoffs when you're doing a deal with Hunt's catch up at Heinz's deals? Get the fuck out of here. People forget that catch up's got a lot of sugars in it. A lot of sugars. Tom Brady will do no deal with no catch up. A lot of sugars.

My sleeper? This week I'm sleeping millennials because we're killing everything. You see this report? You hear about this report? No, I didn't tell me. It's official. It's been a study done by Forbes and some bullshit like that that tells you about money. Millennials are killing stuff because we're poor.

Oh fuck. And a bonus. I got a bonus. I'm stashing. Oh, you're doing a bonus time. I'm stashing the guy this weekend. Overtime. I'm stashing Ray Carruth.

That's right. He's available in 92% of all leagues and look for the Washington Redskins to claim them off waivers before the season's all said and done. Yeah, if you need a guy who needs a guy who needs a guy. That's it. What's up boys? This is Luke. Just Luke?

Yeah. Okay. Who the fuck are you? Is Blake Griffin. Okay. His main competition for Blake of the Year? That's great. Whoa.

35 points. Five reasons. What are you doing? Fuck yourself. Just stating facts. Facts are facts. Fucking Fugazi over here. I'm trying to pull up.

My sit-em is the Redskins defense. Bought of headlines this week, bought of tourm 소� SG. Bought or not? They're going to clog each other's ball apart. And my sleeper is the state of Texas. The Texans. The Cowboys. Texas this weekend.

Texas football. That's state in the country. Okay, it's Vito, the speedo, Vito the speedo. My stardom, Kawhi Leonard, he had a great game tonight. People forget, Kawhi Leonard, pretty damn good. Signed a big deal with New Balance, which is perfect because no one even knows if he has a personality, so New Balance, that's my Kawhi Leonard.

New Balance is a great shoe. I don't know what you're talking about, very versatile shoes, basically, the official shoe of Canada. My sit-um, the Giants' defense, Chase Daniel, about to work that ass. He's gonna dink, he's gonna dunk, he's gonna dink, he's gonna dunk, he's gonna dink, he's gonna dunk, he's gonna dunk, he's gonna dink,

all the way down the field, might even throw for 200 yards, you don't know. He's a buck, he can't compete in the Meadowlands. You come into the Meadowlands, you fucking give a toughest place to play in the NFL. The New York Giants, my sleeper, the Titty Twisters. You see this, you hear this, you read about this, Kevin Durant gave Drizzy a twit, Titty Twister,

said, hey, why don't you whistle, kid? And he did it, and Titty Twisters. Our bags aren't the only place you can find milk in Canada, sometimes you just gotta squeeze a nice little titty. When people give me Titty Twisters, I feel really self-conscious about my tits. It's a big target. Yeah, you don't have to say that.

Your tits are super dark. Okay, I said I was self-conscious, guys, why don't I do this? All right, stop it. You're not her, she kissed nipples. Okay, stop it, I said I was self-conscious. You wanna give me a Titty Twister, you better bring an octopus.

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Okay, here he is, Matt Linert. Okay, we now welcome on a recurring guest, friend of the program, Matt Linert. He's here to talk about Championship Weekend, the playoffs. So I wanna start here. I'm gonna get to Heisman because I think we've agreed. Real quick, real quick, recurring guest means

that I come on more than once a year, all right? So you guys can invite me on more than once a year. Well, this is technically the same, if we're talking 365, I think this is like 355 days. Yeah, it's like 362. So it's been about a year, but you did good points. Good points. Yes, fair point.

We will do it again sooner. So I wanted to start with the games, the college football rankings. To me, this is the clearest it's been and tell me where I'm wrong. So this weekend, Oklahoma wins, they're in. If Georgia wins, they're in. If Ohio State wins, they need help.

Now, here's my question. Here's the only part where it could get a little tricky. If Georgia beats Alabama, is Alabama get that fourth spot or does someone else sneak in? Well, I mean, I think if you're asking me, do I think Alabama gets the fourth spot? I think absolutely they will be in based on, based on kind of what the committee is doing

with these rankings every week. And basically what I mean by that is clearly Alabama, and in my opinion, I think everybody's opinion it's been the best team in college football all season long from week one to now. So for me, it would be hard to believe that they would fall more than three spots out of the top four if they lost.

A lot of people are talking, if they lose a close game to a Georgia team who would be in the college football playoff. So I think in that scenario, I think Alabama gets in. I don't, I just, I believe conference champions, conference championships should matter. I just, that's why I don't understand. You can lose late in the season,

you can lose a conference championship game, but you still can get in. Now they got in last year, they lost to Auburn the week before conference championship weekend. And in that scenario, they were being compared to a two loss Ohio State Big Ten champ. So there was a little bit of a difference there, but this year you talk about one loss Oklahoma,

they win, you talk about one loss Ohio State, if they win, being compared to one loss Alabama who doesn't have a conference championship. So I think, to be honest with you guys, I think if Alabama gets in in that scenario, I think there's gonna be a lot of commissioners and a lot of conferences real pissed off. And I think that will spark the conversation

of needing to expand even more so than it already is now. And I like that. I'm one of the people I like expansion. I think more teams, the Mary, I think give teams a shot. You never know in college football, I think that's why we love our sport so much. But, you know, with Alabama and you talk about eight SEC teams in the top 25, four in the top 10.

I mean, it's just, I think that happened because in a scenario where Alabama loses, they still have a strong body of work and they still have all of these top 25 wins. So, yeah, it'll be interesting to see. I mean, that's really the only scenario. Like you said, it's kind of a vanilla years as far as if Oklahoma wins, I think they're in.

I think they're in, I personally think BAM is gonna be Georgia. So I think we're gonna, I don't think there's gonna be much debate guys at the end of the weekend. And you know what, you brought up a good point because if you are a fan of college football and you want to see an 18 playoff,

what you need to be rooting for on Saturday is for Georgia to beat Alabama, Alabama to get the four spot, then you have the big 10 commissioner, the big 12 commissioner, and the Pac-12 commissioner all complaining. And I think that will finally get the change to happen. Yeah, and they said, I think there's quotes out there said,

you know, there's not gonna be change for 10, 15 years when we like our system and all those things. But I'm telling you what, I mean, there's too much, there's too much money to be made. There's, you know, these big conferences to have multiple conferences left out in one season to a team, you know, that doesn't win their conference. I mean, it's gonna be,

I kind of selfishly kind of want to see it because I want to see, you know, these commission, I want to see what happens, but I really don't think Alabama is gonna lose. So I think we're gonna be in the same situation, you know, for the next years to come. Now, the only team we haven't mentioned, and we're probably getting a lot of people upset already

for not having said their name is Clemson because they're not getting enough respect from anyone. There's never enough respect from Clemson. Okay, let's ask that. Has Wannstedt been in your ear and been like, hey, no, Pittsburgh's got a chance. Oh, Wannstedt isn't either best. No, he's, I'll tell you what,

every time we have a Pittsburgh highlight or something, man, his fricking, his eyes light up, he loves that place. But you know, Clemson, and it's funny, I mean, I think by far and away, you know, Alabama and Clemson have been kind of the elite teams in college football this year, and really the last couple of years, but just watching them, you know,

they're just above everybody else, in my opinion. And, you know, I think they're average, I mean, I don't know exactly the numbers, but their last six, seven, eight games, they've been averaging over 20 points, I've beaten their team by over 20 points. So in the similar fashion of Alabama, they got tremendous speed on both sides of the ball,

their young quarterback is a stud. And, you know, I think the ACC is down a little bit this year, so they're not getting that respect, but I'll tell you something, man, that team is loaded with a lot of talent. And in my opinion, I think probably the most complete team that could play with Alabama and beat them, and I believe that.

And, you know, they're not gonna, you know, Pitt's respectable, they've had a good year, they found themselves in the ACC championship game, but kind of like Ohio State playing Northwestern, you know, they're not gonna get a ton of more respect for beating a team like that. Yeah, so you're a Pac-12 guy, what the hell does the Pac-12 do now?

Because this is going to be year five, where they've had one single team, and I mean, I'm not gonna try to blame you, I'm not trying to finger point, but what the easy solution is, USC needs to start paying their players again, so you guys can be good again. They could do that, I'm sure.

There's probably a lot of that going on all over the country. Now, man, it's a good point. I mean, it's funny, I was having a conversation with a buddy of mine earlier today, it's just, where has the Pac-12 gone? And you kind of look in the last, you know, Washington's been a really good team, and as you said, they're the only team

that's made the playoff from the Pac-12, Oregon, Oregon was there. Oh yeah, true, true. I forgot Oregon, so two times, yeah. So Oregon was there, and they lost in the national championship game to Ohio State, but yeah, they're just, there's no, you know, those are the teams,

and Oregon is trying to find them, so USC has just, I mean, just been a disappointment this year, obviously, and you know, the Pac-12 you have, you know, every conference has brands, right? You know, Ohio State, Michigan are the brand of Big 10, and USC is still the brand of the Pac-12. USC could be five and seven for the next two years,

and they're still the team that everyone wants, you know, like, the Pac-12 needs USC to be great again, and we'll see if that happens, but it's just been a down couple years, you know, it really hasn't, and you know, I will say this, the Pac-12 plays nine conference games, whereas, you know, the SEC plays eight, you know, that extra conference game is a big deal,

so it is, in my opinion, I think the SEC is a deeper conference, I'm not saying that they're not, but the Pac-12 is playing one more tough game, and we know, and you guys know, the SEC plays those cupcake games in November, when other conferences are playing tough, you know, tough road or home conference games,

and that's a big difference, you know, that extra game, you know, win or loss decides everything, your rankings and all those things, so Bob, I'm with you, man, I think, you know, the Pac-12, they need some help, they need USC to be good, I think Chip Kelly at UCLA in time,

I think they're gonna be a team that is gonna be put on the map again, Peterson in Washington is doing a really good job, how about Mike Leach in Washington State this year, I mean, they were close, you know, they were close, and let me ask you guys a question, how many games did you watch in Washington State? Probably none.

No, no, I watched a few, all of them, I mean, I'm up watching all the games, I love coaching, you know, it's tough, you know, because East Coast and all that and watching a lot of these teams play at night, here on the, I mean, we do, you know, Juan said and I, we laugh, we'll do a live half-time of a Pac-12 After Dark game,

which are always great games, and it's, you know, it's 9 p.m. Pacific time, and it's midnight, 1 a.m. back where you guys are, so. It's true, we're just getting started. Yeah, no, it's true, you're absolutely right, you're biased, yeah, the bias is real. There is a bias, there is a bias there, but at the end of the day too,

the Pac-12 needs to produce, you know, teams need to get better and they need to win more games. Yeah, I think if the Blue Bloods, you know, if they can get their head screwed on straight, then that would be great for the Pac-12. Well, you've got Kingsbury, that he's apparently going to USC now, so I gotta ask you, how excited are you for that?

Well, it's not, there's not a lot of truth in that yet, so. I'm reporting it right now. Yeah, that was fake news, apparently, on Twitter. I probably read the tweet at the same time as you guys did, and my eyes are like, what is this happening? But, you know, I mean, that would be an awesome hire, I think, if USC were to get him. I think, you know, Clay Helton, I know extremely well.

I think what he needs to do because of the fan base and the alumni, there's a lot of pressure on him right now, obviously, and I think he needs to make a splash. I mean, he needs to make the biggest splash he can, and Cliff is who's gonna have multiple NFL jobs, gonna have multiple calls. He's gonna pretty much probably pick

wherever he wants to be. If USC can get him, I think that would be the best hire to kind of just kind of salvage a little bit of this criticism and just take the pressure off a little bit going out there and hiring a big name. The guy who's had a lot of success, can score a ton of points, will make USC fun and entertaining again,

so we'll see, man, fingers crossed that happened. I can see the logic in that, but also if you're a guy who is kind of on the hot seat and you bring in like a big name like Cliff, isn't in the back of your mind that like, hey, this is gonna be the next head coach, and if I screw up at all, he's in waiting? Well, I think in Clay Helton's situation right now,

I think his leash is extremely short, and I know he's back, and like I said, I have a relationship with him, but I think no matter what happens, he's gotta win regardless, so if he doesn't win next year, and Cliff or whoever, it doesn't matter, I think at the end of the day, he's gotta go out there and produce wins,

so why not surround yourself with the best coaching staff possible? I think those days are gone for him right now, he's coaching year to year, he's trying to change the program, he's made necessary changes in the past, a handful of weeks, and now the tough job begins,

building a staff that can create a culture, a lot like Pete Carroll and the staff that we had when I was at SCM, and we had a great staff, but we had some dogs as coaches, and we had some, Ed Oger on LSU, I mean, do you imagine with that guy every day, he's our D-Line coach, we just had passionate coaches

that created a type of discipline and a culture there, and that's why we were able to kind of be what we were to be, and I think Clay's gotta try and replicate that as much as possible. What age do you decide you're gonna be like the old alumni guy who gives a quote about the coach, like the guy who comes out,

it's like, this guy can't coach for shit, and then you get all in the media cycle, and everyone does a show about you, and you're on like every, you know, embrace debate show being like, Matt Linert said this, what point, because that's gonna be fun, right? Like, I'd imagine if I were you,

yeah, if I were you, I'd be like, all right, when I'm 45, I'm gonna just start, like any time we have a bad year, I'm gonna come out and be like, this coach sucks, we need to change, we need to go back to the glory days, and get that little shine. Well, it's funny to say that I had a tweet,

like the third quarter, I believe, of the USC UCLA game, which was just awful, and I literally just said embarrassing, I think it was like right after they touched, or it was just a bad play, and a writer, probably like three days late, actually after, yeah, like a couple days later, you know, wrote this whole big article in the LA Times

about how they should fire Clay and blah, blah, blah, and in big bull print at the bottom was quote from Matt Linert, embarrassing in quotation, so it kind of already started, I'm thinking damn, man, like I tweeted that like freaking third quarter after like a crappy play, so you know, it's interesting, you know, and like being in the media, you know,

you want to be opinionated, you want to make a stand, and you want to be able to express how you feel, and I, when I look at USC and Clay, like it is disappointing, I also understand, like the last couple years, we've won a lot of games, we won a packed-out championship, won a Rose Bowl a couple years ago, you know, so there's ebbs and flows,

and I just think the expectation and standards there, but it's funny, and I could be an old dude that's 50, you know, my basketball days are over, I'm off TV, and you're just tweeting away, just a bunch of BS about former school, it could happen, I give myself a lot of time though, I'm not there yet. I mean, that's kind of how Mercury Morris has extended his career a little bit,

just by reminding everybody he was in the, now he is the 72s office, no one else played on that team. Yeah, Eric Dickerson was doing with the Rams, like you just be that guy who's like, yeah, we're not tough enough, and then you become, you get to be in the media cycle. Don't talk shit about Jeff Fisher though. Yeah, no. That's what Dickerson did.

Jeff, that's your boy? Yeah, bring Jeff Fisher home. Yeah, what do you think about Jeff Fisher to USC? I like Jeff Fisher, I really do, I like Jeff Fisher, but I'm not sure if that's where I fit at USC. No, no, we're going to clip that part, so we're going to get the mat liner. I like Jeff Fisher.

Yeah, wow, Clay still got the job, the interesting that you said that. Huge! Why do you guys want Fisher to USC? I just, it's funny. Or do you want Fisher to wear? Yeah, it's just funny. Listen, football, there's something comforting

about turning on a football game on a Saturday or Sunday, and Jeff Fisher is on the sidelines with a headset on. No, I don't think, I think at college, you won't go headset. Jeff Visor? Yeah, no, he'll go like the Brady Holt. Jeff Visor? Yeah, just coaching him up. Yeah.

He's not going, he's not going Visor. Yeah, well, no, he's going to get young and hip when he goes back to college. A backwards Visor. Like Rodney Dangerfield going back to school. Let me tell you something, Fisher, I love Jeff Fisher, man. I had, they almost, well, they didn't,

but they almost drafted me, they drafted Vince Young. And I went to Arizona that year, but Fisherman is the coolest, I don't know if you guys know him well or personally at all, but he's just, just great dude. You know, a ton of respect for him. I haven't talked to him in a long time, but I always liked him.

He's got great stories, a great guy. You guys should get him on the show. I know. I have his phone number. Are you just saying, are you just saying that because he ruined Vince Young's career and you're pretty psyched about that? No, man, I love, I love my boy ZY.

Yeah. Kidding me? Hey, listen, we interviewed Vince over the summer and did you know that his game plan against you guys in the Rose Bowl was just chill out in the first half and then fuck it, go off in the second half. It was as simple as that. That's what he said.

Go the fuck off. Go the fuck off. Dude, that guy, that guy is a man, was a man amongst the boys. Are you kidding me? I knew, I knew we had to score 50 points in that game just to have a chance. And that was no disrespect to our defense.

I just, it was, that guy was so good in college and such a rare athlete. I mean, think about it. In that time, you know, before that, it was, you know, Michael Vick, who was the much more, but the fast, elusive guy, Vince is six, five, two, 40, you know, I don't know what he ran,

but elusive quick with a great arm could throw. I mean, it was, I mean, he was, he was rare, man. And God, I mean, he, I couldn't, he beat me there. He beat me in the NFL, just beating me in life, man. Just pisses me off. Yeah, he said, he said, go the fuck off. Looking forward to, to the national championship game. Let's just say, hypothetically,

Oh, we're going all the way forward. Yeah. First, I would just want to say, hypothetically, it's Clemson in Alabama. Okay. Can we do something leading up to that game? Like a week's worth of buildup, where you guys just say that those are the two best college football teams of all time,

like they did with, with you. What do you want me to lead? What do you want me to do? Just say that Alabama is the best college football team in the history of the sport, and just like talk them up for a while. Cause that's what they did. Like that whole week going up to that Texas game.

That's all we heard about, like the two best teams. And specifically, like you guys, I just want to get that narrative back going. Cause it feels like it's been a while since we've heard that. If that's what you want, dude, let's do it. Yeah. I mean, I think it actually, if they, if Alabama beats Georgia convincingly in the SCC championship, I think, I think there will start to be that,

like, are they the best team of all time? And then some of them. I mean, think about, I mean, the Alabama, it's, I mean, to a tongue of our law, we know it's, it's amazing what he's done. Cause I think he's fantastic, but Alabama is dominant, right? If Jalen Hurts is starting quarterback,

they're still dominant this year, but that kid has made them, has put them to another level offensively that we've never seen. I mean, we've always seen Bama, you know, to go back to all of the quarterbacks really before Jalen Hurts too, but like, you know, McCarron and McElroy

and Blake Sims and all of these guys, guys that were good college quarterbacks were managers of the game, you know, just just to win football games and they'd win with dominant defense around in the football. This kid is like, I mean, this is like a spread offense. Like you see, you know, some of these spread offenses with a dynamic court.

I mean, it's really unbelievable. So to your point, if they, I think they're going to beat Georgia fairly easily. I mean, I think Georgia is a good team, but I think they're going to beat them. And if they, if they come out and beat whoever, you know, I guess, be Clemson or Notre Dame at this point, which I think they'd beat Notre Dame by 30 points,

but Clemson would be a different story. But yeah, I mean, I mean, you know, I mean, you can always argue, you know, one of the best teams of all time. So we'll see what happens. So you mentioned Jalen Hurts, you mentioned Tua. I want to have, I want to ask you this because I think we agree and I want to hear it

because there's from, you know, like the narrative has been set, Tua won the Heisman. He won it in September. Kyler Murray is pretty, pretty damn good. And the numbers he's put up have been insane. I'm not going to say Kyler Murray will win the Heisman. I think Tua is going to win the Heisman. But if I had a vote, I would look at that name

for a very long time and think about circling that box. Yeah. It's the, the one thing that bothers me and obviously I'm a voter is a lot of people, a lot of voters, and I don't know who, but I know that there's a percentage, vote before the game's coming up this weekend. So they vote before championship weekend because in a similar case like this year,

a lot of people are going to vote for Tua. And you know what, if he wins, he'll deserve it. And Kyler Murray wins, I think he'll deserve as well. But I just wish we'd give him one more opportunity to watch because that's what we're supposed to do as voters is evaluate every game they play and these are the games that you really kind of measure greatness, in my opinion, that the big games

where everybody's watching, where everything's at stake, how do they perform? So that's one thing. And I would say, you know, Kyler Murray, the year he's having put it this way, Baker Mayfield was fantastic last year and the season he had and dessert, I mean, is unbelievable. Kyler Murray is surpassing everything Baker Mayfield

did last year as far as numbers wise. And you could even argue he's better in a sense because he's a much more dynamic runner. I mean, he just runs around and he's a running back playing quarterback, but he has the ability to throw like Baker and all these other quarterbacks. So, and then, you know, the numbers are there. And I just think when I, and you guys know this,

watching Oklahoma, I mean, the defense is terrible. The defense is awful. So there's a lot more pressure on him every single time that they take the field to score points. Because if they don't score points and they go a couple of series without scoring, he doesn't make a play. Oklahoma is losing a lot of games.

And if you take Kyler Murray off that team, who knows how many losses they had. If you take two off that team, guess what? Their back-ups already led them to a national championship. They would still be undefeated. They would still be the best team. So, not to take anything away from Tua, because like I said, I think he's put them in a different stratosphere

because that's how good he is and he's had a great year. So, I just, I listened to people. I just wish people would be, you know, there's a lot of bias in the Heisman and, you know, there's a lot of bias in all sports and all that stuff. I just, I think it's going to be a really close race. And I think whichever one wins it, I think obviously it's much deserved.

Both guys are having unbelievable fears. It's closer than people think. That's really the point of saying it. That's really the point of saying it. Like the fourth quarter stats, if you take away Kyler Murray's fourth quarter, the stats are kind of the, you know, similar. The, the, oh, well, Tua played better defenses.

If you actually look at the stats, they're not that far off. I mean, obviously the big 12 doesn't play as much defense. And I think the big point for me is what you just said. Jalen Hurts plays on Alabama. They're probably still undefeated. Kyler Murray doesn't play, doesn't play on Oklahoma. They probably have three, four losses. I mean, the numbers that he's putting up are insane,

but I'll concede that Tua probably is going to win it. Plus, I mean, Tua did get hit in the balls and then came right back. And just dominant. That was his Heisman moment. What's Kyler's Heisman moment? Well, yeah, that's when he went in the tent, right? He was a little dramatic a couple of games,

but there's been, I mean, just think about the pressure. There's just been more pressure on Kyler to be great every game. I mean, there just really is. I mean, look at West Virginia in that shootout, Texas, the game they lost. He was terrific in the fourth quarter. I mean, Army, they almost lost

and he had to make a play at the end, I think. I mean, the list goes on and on. And unfortunately and fortunately for Tua, Alabama is so good that they don't even need him to be at his best, you know? So there's been a lot more pressure. That's why I hope, you know, I want to see Tua. And we saw it in the title game last year.

I mean, he's phenomenal. So I would expect him to be great, but that's why I hope Georgia, and I think they will, I think they'll give them a game. I want to see Tua, you know, in moments where there's maybe they're down in the fourth quarter or, you know, different situations where, you know, we did see it in the second half of the title game last year,

but we haven't really seen it this year. And obviously that's a credit to the team, but it'll be, yeah, I think it'll be a lot closer than people think. Well, we haven't really talked about Notre Dame. You kind of went in on them a little bit when you said Alabama would beat him by 30, but I think that's probably a consensus. Do you think that they're by far the weakest of the four

that we're pitch-ling in? Well, I mean, I got to give them credit. I mean, they had, they play a tough schedule, and unfortunately for them, a lot of those teams normally that are, you know, good were terrible this year, you know, USC, Stanford struggled, Florida State, I mean, just, you know, the list goes on.

So, you know, you play who's on your schedule and you can't control that team's obviously record. So that being said, they deserved at the end. I mean, they're undefeated, they played a good schedule. They're extremely balanced, they're a complete team. I think they're a good football team, they certainly are. I just, they're going to be, they're going to be, you know, they're going to play Clemson,

and I just think that's a lopsided matchup. And look at Notre Dame, and a lot of their wins, you can go back to the Pitt game, where Pitt's a respectable team, but they're not great. They barely won that game. And you can go back to even just last week against USC, you know, and I know rivalry games, USC was trying to, you know, at least play for the coach

and all those things. I mean, Notre Dame barely won that game. So it's just hard for me to see Notre Dame competing for four quarters against, you know, a team like Clemson, most likely. But again, you know, you get a month to prepare, you get healthy, you know, and Brian Kelly's a good coach, you know, so you never know.

And like I said, they're pretty strong on both sides of the football. All right, so my last question, it's a Seeky question, put in promo code, take you at $10 off. You go to college football playoff game, you go to the pack 12 championship game in San Francisco, you put in promo code, take you at $10 off. I went down a rabbit hole

because USC was playing Notre Dame last Saturday. By the way, the end of the game, the spread drama was pretty crazy, but that was basically the entire drama of the game. What was the spread on that game? It was 14 and SC, yeah, they drove down at the end, right? They drove down and scored. Oh, they scored at the end and they lost by seven.

Yeah, yeah, or 13 and then they lost by seven. So I went down the rabbit hole leading up to that game and the Bush push game, which everyone obviously remembers. But I think people forget, obviously the Bush push is the moment that everyone has in their mind. That drive, you guys had fourth and nine with a minute 26 left and you throw a pass that Jarrett breaks free.

That play though, when you're getting in the huddle, when you're going to the line, like what was going through your mind when it's fourth and nine and your season is basically over? Cause I think I saw Reggie Bush even said, like no way we're getting this. I thought it was done. I'm gonna take you through the whole play.

So we're third or third and 20, the play before we call the timeout. And, but I don't know if you guys have ever watched the game at Notre Dame, but for us at least it was, it's not a, let me say it's an extremely loud place. Like good, it's a great place to play, but like I never played in the game there prior to that. That was just felt like it was total home field advantage.

But in that moment, it was by far and away, probably top two loudest stadiums I had been in, in that last, you know, 10 minutes of the game, last five minutes of the game. So we're third and 20 and we call timeout. I'm with Pete and Sarkeesian. And the whole point was just to get, you know, make up some yards, get half of it back.

So I dumped it off to Reggie, Reggie made a nice move, got 11 yards, that's up fourth and nine. I believe we might've called the timeout again after that. So we're at the sideline. And I remember the play, the play, the original play was Trouble Right, which is a trips formation, 61 Sam, Y-Option. 61 is the pass protection.

61 Sam is the pass protection. Y-Option is the play with Dominique Bird, our tight end. It was a really good player, a good athlete. Designed to get to the sticks, option round, just get the first down and we kind of live and we move on. And anytime that year, and you could go see, freaking half of my touchdown passes,

we're on the same play, it was called Slug-O-Win, which you guys are probably familiar with, NSL, Old Gruden used to run it with Rich Gannon for the Bucks and the Raiders and all that. It's been a universal play in football for a long time, but it was our great play because we had Dwayne Jerry, we had Mike Williams, two big guys, one on one. So when in doubt, if they said on the sideline,

hey, if you see any type of pressure blitz look, let's get to Slug-O-Win and I said, got it, done. So I'm in the huddle and I kid you not, man, I'm like, I got all these guys looking at me, I am screaming on the top of my lungs. I couldn't hear myself talk because it was so loud. Every, you know, you're watching the huddle, you can't hear it, everyone's just trying to get closer.

It looked like we were all like hugging each other. And I'm just like, trouble right, 61, Sam, why option? I'm going to Slug-O-Win. And they're like, all right, so we go up and sure enough, man, it just, and I think I guessed right. I saw, I saw the safety creep a little bit, just enough to tip it off. I'm like, oh crap, they're going to rotate to one high.

They're going to rotate to single high. When in doubt, I'm just, I'm, I'm out of it. I'm going to go give my, my best receiver a chance to go up and get the ball. So in that moment, just gave the hand signal. I don't even think they heard me check at the line. Just gave the hand signal to the outside, which was, you know, doing a, doing an O or a circle

with your hand. That was our signal for that play that week. And Dwayne runs his Slug-O and man, we just, you know, we complete the ball and probably a story you haven't heard. He had got poked in the eye in that game like that. So his eye was, I'll say swollen shut, but his eye was like pretty much closed for most of that game.

So he caught that ball with one eye open, which is actually, which is actually pretty awesome. I didn't know that until probably like weeks after the game because he wore a visor. And then, and then that's the play, right? So then we go, I think 50, 60 yards or something and then sets up, sets up the, you know, final four or five plays or whatever

and shitting in the rest is history. So. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's one of those, like I said, I went down the rabbit hole, people should go do it. The final drive is still on YouTube. And it's one of those moments where you're just like, the ball just got into his arms. It could have easily been deflected.

And it just like, that was it. And everyone thinks Bush push, but it's that play that obviously won the game essentially. Yeah. I mean, I mean, you're talking inches. If that ball is an inch the other way, it's an incomplete pass. It was just, it was just kind of one of those, you know, a lot of luck involved too.

We just, we made a play and then, you know, Reggie, you know, pushes me in at the end and, you know, we come out with a victory, but talk about, I mean, that game and that game was by far and away the most emotional game I've ever played. And I remember, you know, that was my senior year. We're trying to go for a three P, you know, it's just, there's a lot of pressure on us that year

and we were great, but we just, you could feel it's hard. It's hard to, it's hard to get up every single week and, you know, be in that position. And I remember like all of us, like, I mean, there were, there were like, there were like tears, like, you know, like not that, like, you know, like the one tear that falls down your cheek and just like you can't control it.

You're not like crying like a baby, but you just have like that tear that you can't control. They're like half our team had that. It was like, it looked like we were just like, I don't even know, man, but we ended up having a players only meeting after that game because we really played bad. Like I played horrible in that game, you know,

for really for the three and a half course, obviously we made some plays at the end, but really bad game by me. So we kind of regrouped after that and bounced back. But yeah, it's a great memory. I'm watching it right now. And I got, I got to be honest, it still throws me off that you're left-handed

when you drop back and throw that pass. The quarterbacks always looks weird. Always weird. Were you mad at him that he didn't score? What'd you say? Were you, were you like a little bit, or I would say were you mad? Were you, did you think he was going to score when he caught it?

No, cause Dwayne was slow. Oh man. To me, Dwayne was slow and, and, and that field, look at the grass. I know. Oh, it's in slow. It grew so long. When you walked out on that field before the game,

where you're like, what the hell is this? We, well, we were there, we were there the day before we did our walkthrough. And we were just like, are you kidding me? Like they did, they, cause we were much faster than them obviously. And they did more power to them. They did everything they could to try and slow us down.

And, and it worked most of the time. But no, I'm happy, man. He didn't score. You kidding me? Cause if you would have scored, there would have been a minute left. The way that game was going, you know, who knows who knows if they would have,

we would have stopped them. Yeah. Brady Quinn would have gone back down the, down the field. I got, I got one last dumb questions related to grass height. Doesn't it slow the slow team down just as much as it slows the fast team down? Yeah, you're absolutely right. That's why it made no sense.

Yeah. It's like you're, you're going to slow yourself down and you're already slow as hell. You're going to slow us down, but we're still going to be faster than you. So what's the point? Yeah. Oh man. All right, man.

Thank you so much. We'll do this again before the. Let's do it, man. Don't be a stranger. I'd love to come on anytime. Yeah. We'll do it before the championship game and let us know if you're ever in town. You don't come for the Heisman.

You don't get to stand there awkwardly with everyone who's like, Hey, remember Eric Crouch won a Heisman? That's weird. I know. I know. No, I won't be out there this year. Next time I'll be out there with you guys. We'll hang out. Awesome. Thanks, Matt.

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Coach, we got to start. You have one football guy of the week. It came after beating Nebraska, your rival, and a headbutt that made you look like you had fought 12 rounds. What happened? How did you get the headbutt? And did you realize when you did the interview afterwards that you looked like someone had really given you

the business for 12 rounds? Well, first of all, I did not go shopping Black Friday shopping and get run over at Walmart. That was not the origin of the injury. And then the sad truth is that it's not as dramatic as maybe it might have looked. One of our players, one of our linemen tripped and kind of bumped into our quarterback, Nate Stanley, who

had his helmet on. And that's how I got headbutted. So I took one under the iron on the lip. And it was raining that day. So the blood got exaggerated mainly because of the rain. So I was aware of that. A couple of people there told me you're bleeding a little bit. So I just tried to use my sweatshirt

to keep it to a minimum. But I think the rain kind of accelerated the process a little bit. So it was like a little Domino's thing. A guy had another guy who hit you. Or now did you look into it? Have you reviewed the tape of it? Have you watched the film?

Was this their excuse? Like, hey, maybe we can just get a shot in on Coach real quick? Yeah, I think that's probably more of the real truth. I think Stanley said, you know, don't like that play call. So let's nail this guy right now when we get a chance to. Well, you looked awesome after the game. And you mentioned that you weren't injuring yourself shopping for deals on Black Friday.

You actually got a nice little chunk of change from that win. You got, what was it, 500? 500K? Yeah. Were you a little extra motivated going into the game, being like, hey, you know what, I could walk out. I could buy all the flat screen TVs. Not really.

You know, that's probably the last thing I was thinking about. And it's one of those things that we did put in the contract years ago. So, you know, you're hopeful that it's something that's going to be attainable over here, but not something we ever take for granted. But yeah, I mean, it's a good thing, certainly. Yeah.

All right, so you won Football Guy of the Week. It's probably the most prestigious honor that a football coach or player can win. And with that, I wanted to ask you, I feel like Iowa every year, you guys are a gritty team. You have, you know, tough team, maybe not all five-star recruits, but you coach them up. So what to you is the definition of grit?

And what do you, like, when you think of the Iowa program and getting three-star recruits or two-star recruits and coaching them up to the NFL, how do you accomplish something like that? You know, first of all, the success our players have had, it really goes back to them. A lot of them come with, you know, the right mental attitude and the right workout they can desire.

And to me, it all starts there. I think anything you do in life, if you're going to be successful, you really got to be passionate about it. And it's got to be something you love doing. So we've been really fortunate that way. You know, we try to identify guys that we think, you know, possess those traits. But again, ultimately, when you get them here,

you try to give them a good structure, one that they'll be able to thrive in and grow in. But it really gets back to those individuals. So we've been so fortunate. And you think back in the early years, our first big 10 championship team, you got a guy like Dallas Clark who was a walk-on here, ends up being the best tight man in the country,

had a great pro career. Bob Sanders was a real catalyst on our football team that year and was a senior the next year. Bob was 5'8 when he got here and 5'8 when he left. And 5'8 when he was MVP in the NFL in 2007. So, you know, we've looked beyond what maybe other people do and try to see the good in prospects. But it's all about having the right people here in place.

And mostly, it's the players coming in here and doing the work that's necessary to become really good. Who's one guy that you can point to over your career at Iowa to be like, this guy is an Iowa football player through and through. He did it the way that the program demanded. And he worked a system and ended up like a great success story for the program.

Oh, man, there's so many guys. And they're all up on the walls in our building here. But I just mentioned two of our best guys. We're going back to that early team, Brad Banks, our quarterback that year. I was in Chicago for the Big Ten luncheon. And, you know, the sky was falling with the media because there weren't any great quarterbacks in the league

that year. They had all graduated. Drew Brees had graduated. Henson from Michigan. So, but ironically, you know, Brad Banks ended up, it was his first year as a college starter, his fifth year in college and ended up being the AP player of the year, Big Ten player of the year,

and runner up to the Heisman with Carson Palmer. So, he had an unbelievable year as a one-year starter. And we've just had a lot of stories like that. You know, a guy like Marshall Lyon that wasn't really recruited very heavily has, you know, had a great career with us. And then obviously he's done very well in the NFL. You go right down the list.

We've just been really fortunate to have some guys come in here and, you know, really work hard and end up being really good players. All right, so a little birdie visited me this morning and told me something. The birdie might play tight end for the San Francisco 49ers, but he told me that you used to be a pitcher and you talk about being a pitcher.

How fast do you throw when you used to pitch? You know, there were no radar guns. I'm, you know, I mean, this is back when we were horse and buggy era, you know, so it's tough. There were no radar guns there, but a couple scouts, you know, said I threw in the 90s. I don't know about that. I was a thrower.

For clarification, I was a thrower, not a pitcher. Got it. You know, it would have taken some work to make me a pitcher. I couldn't throw a breaking ball to save my life. So that same birdie, George Kittle, we had him on a couple of weeks ago, and I asked him a question and I want to ask you the same question.

I told you before you hopped on that, you know, I went to University of Wisconsin. I wanted to ask you about the worst football game I have ever attended in my entire life, 10 to 6, 2015. Do you remember how bad that game was? Or do you, as a coach, love those type of games where it's so bad it becomes good? I was going to say in the theme of being a pitcher,

you know, like that was awesome. It was a pitcher's duel. We'd be Penn State even better. We'd be Penn State 6-4 back in 2000, whatever it was. 6-4, not an offensive touchdown squared. We gave them two safeties, one intentionally, and kicked two field goals. So those to me, those are things of beauty.

I love watching a 1-0 baseball game, too, and you got two pitchers really going at it. And then, conversely, over the holidays, I watched Oklahoma, West Virginia. I say I watched, and I was flipping it back and forth. But like those games, where are you at? And I remember we played Penn State a 42-38 game one year, and oh my god, I was never so exhausted.

So yeah, I'm OK with that 10-6 stuff. That's OK, especially if we got the 10. Yeah, 10 is an offensive explosion when you talk about a 6-4 game. I'm looking at it right now. It was 2-0, 3-2, 6-2, 6-4. How about that? What a game.

What a game. I mean, it's Big 10 football. Yeah, what is the toughest place to play in the Big 10? You know, when I was in the NFL, I used to ask guys that, didn't know I coached at Iowa. And when I would ask guys that, they all said Iowa. Kinnick, Kinnick is a fantastic home field. Great stadium.

It's really compact. It's kind of like the old days, those little basketball gyms, where people have to move their feet, you know, to take the ball and bounce it. It's got that feel. But I think when you talk to people that play in the league, they'll talk about Iowa. They'll talk about Wisconsin, Ohio State.

And Penn State usually gets mentioned in there somewhere, too. But I think the top three would be the three I mentioned to Iowa, Wisconsin, Ohio State. Yeah, I'd agree with that. All right, my last question. Do you want to use this forum to talk about chop blocks at all? Oh, you guys are my heroes.

Go on. Go. We are so screwed up right now. I mean, it is unbelievable. And yeah, since you opened the door, I mean, there are a few things that the NCAA has done that have been really good. Cost of attendance has been great for our players.

They opened up the food, where we're actually feeding our guys now. And that, in my opinion, should have been done 40 years ago. But it's really such a great thing. But we've got some rules right now in our game that are really very challenging. And the thing is, I don't like about what we've done. We've made it almost impossible for the officials

to officiate a game consistently. And I got a real problem with that. Because those guys go out there and they work hard. They're trying to do the best they can. It's a really hard job to be an official at the collegiate level, certainly NFL level. And I'd be saving in high school. And we've got our rules.

It's so contorted right now and so subjective that it's just hard to have consistency. And that's going back to baseball. If a guy calls high strikes, that's OK, as long as they call them consistently. So you can adjust your strike zone in a game. But when there's variance during the course of a game or during week to week, it just really makes it hard to coach.

And coaching is teaching your players what to do and what to do properly. And it's hard to do it if there's a moving strike zone. So I'm hoping this out of season, we can get that addressed. And my big beef about it, you remember a couple years ago, there was some talk about all the tempo and trying to slow down tempo teams. And that got washed aside because tempo is in vogue right now.

Unfortunately, cup locking, it's something that's really important in our offense. You take a team like Wisconsin or North Dakota State, it's important in what they do too. But it's not popular. It's not cool. So the rules have gotten screwed up. And there's no impetus to change things.

And so that is definitely my hot button topic. You've done your homework well. I'd like to go off-king. Yeah, absolutely. Speak on it. Yeah, get you going. My last question, I want to discuss with you the importance of the full-back position

because I think you probably love it almost as much as I do. It seems like you have maybe 10 or 11 guys that could play full-back every year, somewhere stashed on your roster. How do you determine who the lucky one is? Full-back is the graveyard for linebackers that couldn't make it. That's really what. And if I had been bigger in college,

I'd probably have been a full-back too. It's just a small, slow linebacker. But traditionally, our best guys, have been guys that came here as walk-on linebackers. And just for whatever reason, maybe a step slower, whatever, couldn't quite crack into the lineup and found a home over on the offensive side as full-backs. And it's such a great position.

And I was really fortunate at my time in the NFL. I worked for two really outstanding head coaches and outstanding men, Bill Belichick. And then when I was in Baltimore, I got to work with Ted Marcher-Broda, who is a tremendous coach also. And I remember Ted saying one time, full-backs just add toughness to a team.

And I think it was a really good way to articulate the value of a full-back. And when you have a good one, in Wisconsin's Adam, you're in and you're out. And I think we've been really lucky too. It does. It just adds to your team's physicality and their toughness. And the way we play, that's really important to us.

So yeah, these guys are great guys. And they're usually interesting characters on top of it. Yep. Yeah, agreed. All right, well, coach. Thank you so much for giving us a little bit of your time. Congratulations again on Football Guy of the Week. I hope you can go and tell everyone.

No extra money off that. But I think that you'll see people will respect you a little more now. It's better than money. And I shared with you offline that my family has been kind of weighing in on this whole thing. And so they started one of those text chains on the phone here.

And one of the kids put a definition, the Urban Dictionary definition of Football Guy. I've got to tell you guys I'm a little concerned about it. Have you read it? No, we didn't write that. So we use trusted sources like Wikipedia, not Urban Dictionary. I just want to share with you the second line, OK? So it says, many times when football guys lose football,

they go through severe withdrawals and sometimes can die. Yes. I mean, it's true. Yeah. So I told them, I said, I really like that football guy part. I'm not so sure I like the second line of it. And I'm a little concerned about that. So I appreciate the honor, but I just

hope that second part doesn't become a reality. No, you're fine. You have a job for life at Iowa. You're fine. Perfect. OK, I'm going to take you guys at your word on it. All right, thanks so much, Coach. Appreciate it.

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I actually just got a DM, it was great because I was looking for some breaking moves. I got a DM that said, hey fellas, if you want to be the first to report this, Bill Snyder is stepping down at Kansas State. So I went to do some journalistic research. Check my sources. Some journalistic research, yep.

Turns out this was announced 14 hours ago. Wow. Breaking moves, Bill Snyder, retiring from Kansas State. You want the real breaking moves? Breaking moves, Brett Bieloma, new head coach of Kansas State, if not probably Bill Snyder's kid. I think Bill Snyder has a kid that he's been trying to get a job.

I love, I love, my favorite thing is when coaches are like clearly holding on just so they can get their kid hired. Yes. And that's probably what happened. Got her stuck there. Wizard of Oz. And Bill Snyder, he could always come back.

He's done it before, he'll do it again. He might retire and then he'll come back in like three years. He, yeah. Probably the only coach, active coach with the stadium named after him. Yeah. Basketball, they do it a lot. I think, yeah.

I think, I think coach, it's a total flex move. I'm okay. Like, yo, you're playing on my court. I'm okay with waiting until somebody passes away to name stuff after them, like permanent stuff. No, but it's like such an alpha move to be coaching on the, on your court. It is an alpha move, absolutely.

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Okay, let's do some segments. We have first up, so it goes to DJ Khaled and Floyd Mayweather who are under investigation. Actually, they've been charged with cryptocurrency fraud. So, they have been promoting investments in initial cryptocurrency coin offerings without revealing that they've been paid.

Okay, so hypothetically speaking, if you were to promote a cryptocurrency that's a badass action guy who's... Martial artist. Who lives in Russia now, and it was a huge fraud, could you be also convicted of cryptocurrency fraud? If we weren't paid for it necessarily

in money, I wasn't paid. We were paid in respect. I was paid in a lot of respect. Yeah, Stephen A. Gull respected. Is the head of the SEC a female by any chance? I don't know why. Because I don't think that there are two people on earth that eat less pussy combined than DJ Khaled

and Floyd Mayweather. Yes, well, Junior Soprano recipes. No, he ate a lot. Oh, that was right. Yeah, he went the other way. They called that guy the rug doctor. Yeah, yeah, that was a little too much. Right, right.

Yeah, he just walked around with a scuba mask. This is also could be a no doi, you know. DJ Khaled and Floyd Mayweather getting a cryptocurrency fraud charge. Yeah, you know what? I think that there's actually an argument to be made if your Floyd Mayweather's attorney that nobody with a reasonable mind would ever think

he would tweet something like that for free. Or. His nickname is Money. You think he's out there being like, call me Crypto Mayweather because this is the real thing. You think that was just out of the goodness of his heart? Or does it have a heart? Or the lawyer just shows up and gives the no duh defense.

Like, yeah, Floyd Mayweather and DJ Khaled did this. No duh. This is part of their brand. Of course they were gonna do, of course we were gonna get a headline eventually cryptocurrency fraud, DJ Khaled, and Floyd Mayweather. No duh.

I hope the judge rules not necessarily guilty at DJ Khaled but just bangs the gavel and goes congrats. You just played yourself. Oh, remember that meme? Remember that one? Another one. Another one. Here's the major key to your prison cell.

Do another one. Another one. Do another one. Another one. No, no, no, do another one. What's another one? Another one. Do another DJ Khaled joke.

We the best. Those are all the ones I've asked. We the best at committing fraud. Oh, there we go. There you go. Let's go. Okay. DJ Khaled.

DJ Khaled. You remember when he tried to sing? That was fun. Yeah, we should make a rap album where we just say our names the whole time. I feel like, I mean, Jason Derulo has made a whole career off. Jason Derulo. Fred Durst made it out of just spelling Limp Bizkit.

Yeah. It gets its name recognition. So it gets the people. L-I-N-P-B-B-A-Z-K-N-I-Z. Right in their heads. All right, Kingstay, or no, we did our Kingstay Kings. We have, this is a big one, okay? We need to talk about this.

We need to have, all right, everyone. Drop the pen. Yeah, drop the pen. Everyone get comfortable. We have to have a family meeting, okay? This is a family meeting. My trouble. No.

We have. What's your middle name? John. We have. I just want to know what to say when I'm angrier. Henry John Lockwood. Okay, listen, we have a Just Chill Out Man and it's important.

Darren Ravel, just chill out, man. So Ravel has quit ESPN, he's a quitter. He's a full on quitter. That's number one. Yeah, number one, he's joined the action network. Yes, we do have loose ties to the action network. Our, the guy who churned in, who owns us, owns part of the action network.

I don't even know the details of all this stuff. We're cousins. Yeah, but people mistake that we're somehow coworkers. We are not coworkers. Cousins. Darren Ravel has done a press tour about his new job and in that has somehow decided that he's going to promote how this big deal where he's going to come finally

do part of my take and he's going to do a decathlon against me on pay per view with betting and all this stuff. Now I have not agreed to any of this, but we'll start, the decathlon throw that out. That's the fucking rubbish, garbage, not true. Not one iota. Never gonna fucking do a decathlon. Not one iota.

Darren Ravel, you cannot invite yourself like this on part of my take. We are now here by suspending you from appearing on this podcast for how long? I say six months, at least. Ooh, six. Yeah, I mean, here's the thing. Wow, I was going to go three.

That's harsh. No, here's the thing. You never invite yourself on another man's podcast. It's more, it's more that like we obviously wanted to have Ravel on for the last two years and been like, hey man, come on. He's like, no, I can't, I can't, I can't. You can't then quit ESPN, go to this other job

and be like, hey, this big deal guys, I'm finally going on and I'm finally doing it. No, no, that's not how it works. As if we've been waiting. Right, exactly. We haven't been waiting like that. We asked you like, I've every now and then been like, hey, you want to come on?

Oh, okay, you can't. Okay, cool. It's not like, oh my God, we need you to come on. So you don't get to do that. It's not just that. Like if he had texted and said, hey, I'm going to this new company, I can finally come on the show.

Great. That's fine. That would have been an okay text again. I would not have been super psyched, but I think it would have made, it's gonna make for a good show when he does it. But the thing is to do it, to do a media junket and to say in an interview,

I will finally go on part in my take. It will be relatively early. He's taking his talents to South Beach. Sooner or later. He's LeBron. Without asking us that ahead of time. And then using that for public, Darren, that's not how, buddy.

You got a lot to learn about the podcast game, my friends. Now, your sourcing was a little thin on that one. He did text me. It was like, hey, I can come on. I was like, great. So that did happen. Like the side thing. And that would have been great.

Like just come on. Don't make a big fucking fanfare about it. Don't do this whole, I will finally go on part of my take. So unfortunately, you're suspended. We don't, you, you, you'll have to wait for us now. Six months, tell you what, you can appeal that. Yes.

Who can you appeal that to? You can formally appeal it to Henry John Lockwood. Henry John Lockwood. Yes. Tweet at Hank. Or arbitrary. At Hank, you have to tweet a video at Hank, appealing a motion to appeal.

And then we will take it into consideration whether we want you to come on this show. We might reduce the suspension. Yeah, you gotta work for it now. Because you don't like that. Come on. No one does that. That's a, that's a ridiculous.

That's ridiculous. And then people were tweeting it like, like Darren Revelle joins Ashton Network. First big move, collaboration with part of my take in Big Cat. And he did the charity thing to make us like, oh yeah, like, oh it's charity. No bro, I'm not doing it to Catlon.

I told you that. I'm fucking old, I'm fat, my back hurts. Here's his quote. I'm just gonna chill and watch football. For someone who, that hasn't discussed this at all. He said in this interview, I think we will do some sort of Catlon. I think we could do a lot of pay-per-view buys

and incorporate some sort of live bedding and live odds component to it. So basically just watch Phil Mickelson against Tiger last weekend. So he says that. And then he goes, it would be insane. But I think we could even fill an entire normal track stadium with people to watch.

Here's an idea, Darren. How about you and Big Cat, Ruff and Rowdy? Ooh. That would sell pay-per-views. Oh, okay. That would sell an arena. Yeah, because that's the other thing. Like I said, Action Network, Barstool, yes.

Churnin' media owns both. We aren't like, we're not coworkers. So I'm not gonna do something for, you know, like just like, oh, hey, let me go and help you like right out of the gate. No, no, relax. Right. Ruff and Rowdy, I'll challenge you.

He would never, I mean, he would never. I'll fight. All the proceeds go to charity, Darren. I'll fight Ravel with one hand. Ooh, which one? My right hand. Your right hand. Yep.

Even after this? Yeah, yeah, no, no. I will tie my left hand behind my back. And I will box it. So there you go, Ravel. You wanna challenge it to a Catlon that I'm never gonna fucking do? There it is.

We will box and I will box you with just my right hand. That would be much, must watch. It would be, there you go. You wanna do the pay-per-view? That's the pay-per-view. Let's do it. How much is Darren Way? Like 180, 185?

I have no idea. It's tricky because there's a lot of skin in here. Just my right hand. I'll just fucking sit on him. I'll sit on him and just like a older brother. Just hold his face down. How old is Darren now? 38?

Yeah, no, he's like surprisingly young. Yeah, no, he just turned 40. You didn't, you know, fall him on Instagram. He had like a birthday week, birthday month. I certainly don't fall on that message. Sushi, get a sushi cake and sushi. Was that when he talked about his wife leaving a rose petal in the back door?

We did the segment, 40 lessons after 40. Oh yeah, that's right, that's right, that's right. All right, so the moral of the story is that, look, we just had our family meeting. Ravel, chill out. Just chill out, man. Just chill out. You don't get to do a fucking press junket

and say I will finally go on part of my take. It really is like LeBron saying I'm taking my talents. Except he had a contract offer. Right, from them. And we have not discussed anything more than, hey, I can probably do it. And I said, okay, cool. Yeah.

It's like when David Wallace says I'm down for the office reboot, like it doesn't, it doesn't mean anything. Right, right, exactly. Uh, okay. Are you saying that we're Michael Scott? Careful, Hank. Careful.

Be careful how you answer this. Be careful what you say. Are we Michael Scott and Dwight Schrute? Yeah, you guys are stars of the show. Okay, that's a nice way to put it. That's a nice way to put it, Hank. What do you mean? Well, who is the real star of the office?

Michael Scott? No. Yeah, is it Pam and Jim? No, Michael Scott and Creed. Creed? Wow. I would say even Kevin Malone. Kevin Malone, definitely up there.

Phones. Kevin Malone, ah. Yeah, Kevin Malone, definitely up there. Solid guy. Okay, we have a perspective, PFT, what do you have? Yeah, so this is actually a very important perspective from the Washington Redskins. They've been having quite a week,

as Hank alluded to their, what did you say, turmoil? Yeah. A lot of turmoil. There is. For that organization right now. There's some turmoil on the locker room. There is. There's a guy's talking.

There are a lot of, well actually. Say that word one more time. Turmoil. Surprisingly, there aren't a lot of guys talking because you know how they said, right after they signed Ruben Foster, like we talked to all the Alabama guys in the locker room? Yeah.

Well then right after that, Jonathan Allen and Ha Ha, Clint and Dix were like, no, we didn't say anything. Yeah, of course not. So they asked like one of the quality control guys. No, they actually asked the guy who just had an Alabama hat on. No, just a guy from Alabama.

Yeah, he was like, hey. I reckon they're all right. Yeah, and he just said, real tight. Real tight, let's go. So what happened? So for perspective, they were discussing the claim today and Doug Williams said that this is actually, it's small potatoes compared to everything else

that's going on in the world right now. So if you keep in perspective, it's really not that big of a deal. Now. Climate change. Climate change. Nuclear proliferation. Darren Reveld is saying that he's gonna do our podcast

like we've been begging him to. Fuck that. There's bigger things. Bill Snyder. Bill Snyder. Bill Snyder. Stepping down. Stepping down.

That huge cow that turned out to be a fraud. That was a fraud. What? Why do you keep doing that? I feel like this is the third time he's done this to me this week where you've just ruined an illusion. Well, I had it crashing down on me earlier today. But just let me, for our future reference,

if something gets exposed as a hoax, just let me just keep, if I'm ignorant about it, let me live in that ignorance. I didn't know that you were even aware of the cow. No, I knew it. We haven't discussed the cow at all. Yeah, someone tweeted and was like, and they put part of my take on the cow

and then all other podcasts was like, oh, that's pretty cool. So yeah. So are we faking? The cow was giant compared only to the other cows that it was around. So the other cows that were around knickers were small wagyu beef cows. And so they were tiny.

And so it gave the illusion that knickers was. Yeah, the Quintenelson. He wasn't actually yelling. Yeah, he wasn't. They overdubbed that. Just expect me to never look into anything more than surface level. So I'll never get deeper than that

and just leave me in the dark. Okay, Sam, it's not real. And also it could have helped it when I asked if you had any breaking moves for me. Oh, that is a break. That would have been a really good break. But I think that your Bill Snyder scoop is pretty good. No, it was a great scoop.

That happened 14 hours ago. Let's finish. We have to update our low man's trophy. So you have, you have like the finalists, right? So these are the finalists. So we have- What is the low man's trophy? The low man's trophy is-

Low man's. Low man. This is like the Heisman. No, it's the low man with a Z. No, that's who's man's trophy. That goes to the college athlete that made the best meme. Yes. The who's man's trophy.

This is the low man's trophy and we've assembled a panel, the official panel. I've received votes from all of the above. Danny Vitale, Aaron Rypkowski, John Kuhn, Vonte Leach, Anthony Sherman, and Jacob Hester. Okay. Submitted their nominees. So here's the official list.

We'll narrow it down. We're gonna have a trophy presentation. Yep. This is the official part in my take, college trophy and we're gonna have a fucking presentation for it. God damn it, we're gonna get some fucking cocktail wieners. They're gonna be hors d'oeuvres. Yes.

But it's just actually gonna be me and you in front of the green screen, but we're gonna eat the hors d'oeuvres. Yeah, but that's fine. I wanna buy a ton of hors d'oeuvres. A big cheese spread. Just a huge, way too much food. Our food budget is $1,000.

Sparkling apple cider. Decided by me and the business credit. And the committee. Yes. Just real expensive. We'll just say everything to the committee. Actually, we will. We will spend $1,000 of appetizers

and then we'll have Bubba try to explain why we did that. Yeah. And we'll tape that and that'll be content. We'll put an ad on it. Boom. We just paid for ourselves. All right, so the final nominees are in no particular order because many of these guys receive multiple votes.

Final nominees are George Aston from Pittsburgh. So that's number one. He's the top vote gutter. In no particular order. OK, got it. Cullen Galaspia from Texas A&M. Chandler Cox. C-U-L-L-E-N?

Yep. He's already out. You don't like that? He's been campaigning hard. I know. No, Cullen is a good fullback name, I think. Kind of a millennial name. No, if it was Kylan, then yeah, this is Cullen.

I'm putting him at my bottom. Cullen almost has an agricultural sound to it. Say his name at the bottom if you can do it in order. No offense, pick it up. But these guys are all fullbacks that are voting. I don't think your vote counts as much. Yeah, sure, you're not really an expert. No, that's fine.

Did you even play fullback on Scout Team? I will vote. I might vote counts just as much as everyone else's. And isn't it a blind vote? What do you mean? We're all going to close our eyes and vote. You don't have to close your eyes for it to be a blind vote. Blind vote is.

We can't raise our hands. Everyone stands there, closes their eyes, and then we say it out loud. We play a game of heads up, seven up, and the last fullback that gets accurately identified wins. All right, next one is Chandler Cox from Auburn. I like that. Carson Mayer from Oklahoma.

Good. Alec Engold from Wisconsin. Yep. Ben Mason from Michigan. Bradley. Wait, how's he not number one right now? Bradley Rossi from Iowa. Nick Ralston from Arizona State.

Tori Carter from LSU. And Brakeethan Mutin from LSU. We got double dip there. Whoa. Reagan Williams from Stanford. They're probably going to steal votes from each other. Yep, they're going to split it. Reagan Williams from Stanford.

Cole Fagan from Air Force. Darnell Wolff from Army. And Jock Patrick from FSU. This is a loaded field. I think we need to bring a fan vote into this equation. Oh, yeah. Yeah. There'll be an element of that.

The fans get one vote. Yes. Just the first person that replies to the tweet. That person's filled out. We need a hashtag. Tonight, whoever replies to the drop of the podcast with their vote, that's the one vote. Yeah, the audience gets the one vote.

That's the audience's vote, one vote. So take it seriously. Whoever replies first. You are the voter. We will retweet it. That is the one vote. And then maybe we'll do that every time we drop a new podcast. Yeah.

People can just one vote. You have to use a hashtag. What is it? Just low man wins. With a Z? Yeah, low man wins with a Z. Low man wins with a Z. Yeah, there we go.

All right. This is going to be exciting. Yeah, we're eyeing for maybe a live stream trophy presentation. We should do it. We're going to wait until the bull schedule comes out. We should do it at halftime of a bull. I agree. In the week before Christmas and the appetizers.

Black tie fair, tuxedos maybe? Just tuxedos in a hard hat. I don't care what you wear as long as the appetizers are there. We're going to get so many. We should actually see if we should do a contest. Who can eat the most pigs in a blanket? You love pigs in a blanket. I love pigs in a blanket.

Why don't we do chicken wings? No, that's not an appetizer. Sliders. I like the little mini sliders that come around. OK, I could be talked into sliders. Ooh, what about the bacon wrapped figs? That works too, but that was going to make your tummy hurt. Is there a difference between mini corn dogs and pigs

in a blanket? Yes, very big difference. Mini corn dogs, common taste in corn, in that corn meal. And the mini cocktail weenies, those have like a hot dog bun. So they're a sandwich. We should actually get someone to sponsor this, right? Yeah, Hunt's Ketchup. We'll get someone to sponsor it.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, oh. Yeah, oh, OK. Say mini corn dogs, my favorite mini corn dogs from Buffalo Wildlings. And a few bags of soda. Yes, a lot of bags, a lot of bags of soda. OK, we will see everyone Monday.

We have a very big guest on Wednesday. Get excited. We have a Hallfamer. Hallfamer. Possibly our biggest guest ever. Yeah, and we also have maybe a friend of the program on Monday who might be hanging out at the office. We'll see.

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