Pardon My Take - Matthew And Brady Tkachuk, Taylor Twellman Talking World Cup, USMNT Sucks At Soccer Again + Mt Rushmore of Aquatic Animals

Episode Date: July 8, 2026

We’re live from Tahoe and we suck at soccer again. We recap the embarrassing loss to Belgium on Monday night and Hank gets his shine after USMNT takes a step back (00:00:00-00:32:33). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including Messi and Argentina survive. Zac didn’t get into streamer school and more national sports podcast topics (00:32:33-00:59:42). Mt Rushmore of aquatic animals (00:59:42-01:16:34). Brady and Matthew Tkachuk join the show live from the American Century Championship in Lake Tahoe to talk about becoming teammates in Florida, how Matthew will initiate Brady, last time they fought, will they guarantee another cup and more (01:16:34-01:53:55). Taylor Twellman joins the show to talk World Cup, the problem with USMNT, VAR issues and tons more (01:53:55-02:37:17). We finish with guys on chillYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or Netflix. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take

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Okay. Let's go. Welcome to part of my take presented by Draft Kings. The Crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, July 8th, and we suck at soccer yet again. It was an ass kicking. There's no candy coat in this one. We got our asses kicked.

That was the worst performance from the U.S. that I've seen in years. Just completely lackluster from the start. So much blame to go around. Tim Ream, friend of the program, good guy over the hill turned into into soccer Sean Bradley before our very eyes got dunked on twice um just overall just sluggish just what about the goalie yeah I mean that was the most embarrassing goal that I've ever seen possible he did the young way coup he he he he hit the ground and that's

that was a knock against Matt Turner too is his his his play with his feet is known for being pretty poor so we thought maybe with Matt freeze he might be better at that absolutely choke that one and then Tim Reem decided to just jump out of the way of the ball when they shot it at the net. Really, really bad. 4 to 1, I would say doesn't even really do it justice. I would say in the PFT expected goals category, I had Belgium 6 U.S. 0.5. And we had a goal. Malik Tillman, maybe the only guy that showed up yesterday and seemed like he was playing

with his hair on fire. Still love that guy. So much blame to go around. Christian Pulisic, the long-anointed Captain America, future. face of this league for American soccer, absolute no show of a game. I would say even worse than a no show of a game. And then

he checks himself out, just looks lackluster, looks like he doesn't care at all, had the most turnovers on the field of anybody that played. Just really, really, really bad. As disappointing as I've ever seen, as disappointed as I've ever been in U.S.

soccer after this game, losing, getting our ass kicked by Netherlands in the last World Cup, we at least played harder. That's the problem is like we looked like we weren't even playing hard. No imagination. No no pace on our counterpress. It was just bad all around. There's really nothing good that you can take out of that game at all.

Besides Malik Tillman played pretty good at times, really nothing that you can take out of that game. It was a failure of a World Cup. Yeah. I said before it started, we have to get to the round of, we have to get to the quarterfinals, bare minimum. No, we beat, we people were making very much. mean jokes online that we were James Franklin, Penn State James Franklin, and it is actually perfectly appropriate because if you look at who we played, we beat the teams are supposed to beat. We lost to Turkey. Now, obviously, that game, maybe we weren't playing all of our starters,

but still we lost to Turkey. They're ranked around us. And then we absolutely got ass fucked by the team that was better than us in Belgium. We are not who we thought we were. No, that's actually literally what I said about the U.S. before this tournament was that we were Penn State. Okay. We were Penn State football. That has been the perfect comparison of Penn State football. We play every time we, you know what?

Like for the longest time, all you've needed to do in the United States is like beat Mexico once every two years. And maybe that's just what we're going to do. Maybe that's just the future of U.S. soccer. It's like, we'll beat Mexico once every two years. We'll barely make our way out of group stages most of the time, unless it's on home soil, then we'll put together a team that looks pretty good. We'll barely make it out of the group stage

Might beat an inferior opponent Might take a good team to extra time But when the rubber meets the road We play against a good team from Europe They're just going to put it down our throat And that's just what's always happened It's probably what's going to continue to happen And every four years, that's okay

I'll keep shoveling that shit Into my own mouth, I will fall for it I will overdose on copium I will get very excited about US soccer And I'll be disappointed again four years What do you say about the golden generation because this was we we had a disagreement a few months ago like when we well actually was whenever we got uh poach as the coach and i was like hey we keep switching coaches maybe our

players just suck and i all i heard was oh well pulich plays for chelsea and all these guys are really good and it's the best we've ever been it's definitely not the best we've ever been we've been better we've gotten further we sucked no so that's that's the that's the thing is from a talent standpoint you can't just throw out the rest of the top leagues in the world and their scouting departments and say they have no idea what they're doing because they do have U.S. players on their team. So the talent is there. But this is the golden generation.

This is what I was told. This is the time. That's what I'm saying is like you can't say that the players aren't physically gifted and talented. They have the, you know, they're assigned to the best teams sometimes. Certainly in the top leagues in the world. So like you can say that, you know, the club teams in Syria don't know what they're doing. But they think that our players are talented.

talented enough. They just mentally just shat the bed. Like there's something about the toughness that we lack. I don't know what you can say about that. I thought Poach overall did a good job coaching this team and we did look good against Paraguay, who ended up going on to beat Germany. And then, you know, they played well in the knockout stages. So they're, you know, not a bad team. We didn't get anywhere further than we've ever gotten. Disappointment. Huge disappointment. So I don't know if you can say he did a good job. I still stand by the fact that like the players from a talent standpoint should be with the exception of like you know we have a 39 year old center back and he's playing an mLS but um our captain our captain our captain yeah just that was hank there yeah that was hank

listen there's there's no excuse for like the mentality that we had yesterday i just don't i just been told this a golden generation we just got to the exact same spot and got embarrassed that's what i've just been saying is like we're just going to keep nothing's going to change no matter how good we think we're going to be we're going to keep keep overdosing on the copium and And it's, it was really, it was a bad performance as, as disappointed as I've ever been in U.S. soccer, given we had every reason to be excited about this team, too. We did. They played well in the group stage. We beat the teams we should have been. We lost it.

Like, we played okay. We played okay in the group stage. Right. But we, we beat the teams that we should have been, which doesn't always happen with U.S. soccer, like across the board, look back through the World Cups. Like, we don't always beat the teams that we should beat. and we never beat them in like just a physical, like, beat down fashion that we did against Australia and against Paraguay, who granted aren't the best soccer teams in the world. I agree.

Like, we can't do that shit against European teams. We've seen that time and time again. But there was reason to have excitement about this team. And then just to have a just a complete cluster fuck of a game like that sucks ass. I do feel like the fact that it was being held in the United States, people were watching these other teams being like, oh, we're in this. too, like we can make a run at this. If this was being held, like, you know, like it wasn't Qatar, I don't think the people were

convinced that this team was like really good and got to make a run just because it was happening around them so much. I'm like, oh, this World Cup's in the U.S. where the U.S. were in this, like, we can beat these teams. It was, I mean, it was fun. Routing for your country is fun. It was a fun ride until it wasn't. I, my thing is, I feel like it's just

deja vu all over again where it's every four years we do this. And then the think pieces come out being like soccer's too expensive. and we don't have enough guys, kids playing it. What if we just suck at soccer? Like, we just suck as soccer. That's okay. We have so many fucking awesome things. We're dominant in football.

We're dominant in basketball. We're dominant in baseball. Well, we didn't win the world baseball classic. We dominant in hockey. We have awesome sports. We have March badness. We just suck at soccer. And that's okay.

I don't think that we suck at soccer. I think that we suck at soccer. No, I think you would say that if you get bounced in the group stage, you absolutely suck at soccer. We suck at soccer. We are a massive... A country as big as ours with the resources that we have, we absolutely suck at soccer. We massively underperform at soccer.

That's a nice way of saying we suck at soccer. Massively underperforming soccer. Come on, BFD. We suck at soccer. I think you guys want to be more critical of this team than I am, but you can't. You can't beat me at this. Well, I just was because I said we suck at soccer. And he said we don't.

Well, you can't beat me at this because I am so much... I literally said we suck at soccer. I'm so much more pissed off about how this team performed. That's for sure. That is, yes. Agreed. Yes. I couldn't agree more about that.

Yeah, that's absolutely true. You guys cannot beat me. If it's a competition of who's the most upset, you win for sure. I am definitely the most upset. Yeah. Like, it's, it's, it sucked. That shit sucked. Fuck that.

You have, you're right. Fuck it. Yeah. It's a kidding. It's what. Belgium has 11 million people in their country. It's Ohio. Yeah.

Suck at soccer. We can't begin outclass by Ohio. It's not even one of the top three Belgium teams of the last 20 years. This shit sucks. We suck at soccer. We suck at soccer. We say we suck at soccer.

But I'm going to fall forward together in four years. I'm going to trip over my dick in four years, right in time for the World Cup, and be like, this year it's going to be different. And I'll be excited about it. And then I'm going to, and then we're going to get throated again. My take is not, my take is we suck at soccer and that's okay. Like I don't care that we suck at soccer anymore I'm going to root for the U.S. team

I'm going to get excited when we're in a World Cup I'm going to get hyped up and it's going to be fun to watch and then I'm being reminded that we suck at soccer and then it's just going to be like okay yeah that's okay we suck at soccer we have so many other things going on. I disagree that I do care that we suck at soccer I agree that we suck at soccer.

I feel like there's just nothing that we can do though that's the thing is we try to fix it every single time so it's like what's the definition of insanity just doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results. I'm no longer going to expect a different result. I'm going to keep rooting for the U.S. team. But when inevitably, every single time we get to the round of 16 and we're reminded that we suck at soccer, I'm not going to be disappointed.

I'm going to be like, oh, yeah, we suck at soccer. So where I differ is that I will definitely have my heartbroken again. I don't know. We're so far away from heartbreak, though. We're so, the levels to this, like Belgium is like the ninth best team in the country. and they just pieced us. There's so many other teams. Spain would have beaten us by 100.

Senegal would have beaten us. Easily. So that's where it's like the levels of it is like, I can't get upset. We just didn't care. That's what I'm pissed off about is the fact that like we looked like we didn't not care yesterday. No, absolutely.

We're passive. The goal he had a Mac football play. Yeah. That was the definition of Mac's what he did there. Correct. The ref view of that goal is like looks like a reclis. like JV soccer And he went to Harvard

It does And that's the thing that the U.S. has always had We've always had some of the best goalies in the world What happened? Have we? Yeah, we got $340 million I mean, Tim Howard was really, really good He was.

No, I know, I didn't know that. Well, Tim Howard is really, really good. Brad Friedel was really, really good. Casey Kellard's really, really good. We've had very good goalkeepers and to have Matt Turner and Matt Freeze be the only two options that we had. at goalie is...

Sounds like... Sounds like we have, like, good catchers in baseball. We should just have them play baseball. Maybe that's what we should do. Instead of the conversation being like, how do we get our best athletes to play more soccer? Why isn't Pulisich a fucking wide receiver? He would be sick over the middle.

He's got a little wiggle. What? He would be a good wide receiver. If we had... Like, let's do the opposite. Instead of being like, hey, we got to get our best football players to play soccer. No, no, let's just get all the guys that are good at soccer to play like mid-level football,

make college football a little bit better. If we want to get our best athletes playing soccer, we're not, Hugo Gonzalez is going to play soccer. We, listen, we don't, it's not athleticism either. Like, that's the thing is everyone's like, oh, it's athletic. No, we just suck at soccer. Yeah. These guys are not, it's not like all these other guys are just monsters

outside of a few, like, they're not beating us with athleticism. They're beating us with skill. We just suck as skill guys. Yeah. Never close the skill gap. USA will never close a skill gap compared the rest of the world in soccer. Right. Yeah.

So it is what it is. What about the coaching? It's too far. You threw a lot of blame around. You didn't say anything about the coach. That's what I'm saying. The coach is like the ex-factor. I think the coach deserves, yeah, if you come out looking like that in the most important game in, I'm going to say the most important game in U.S. soccer history, the fact that it was a home world cup game.

That's never been said before, Hank. He just uses one time to say that. Yeah. Were we in the final four in 2002? No, we're in the quarterfinals. Quarterfinals. Quarters, baby. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, the fact that this was on a home field and that it had so much hype going into it, you have to put some of that on the coach. Absolutely. Yeah. If you look like you sleptwalk through the entire first half, yeah, that is 100% on the coach. He also didn't get further than any other coach. And he had what I've been told is the golden generation.

So like that to me is like, yeah, why would he be a good coach? Like he didn't do anything different. He didn't beat anyone. He did do different things with a team. if you want to talk about what we care about. I don't care about the style. And I said going into the tournament that, yes, that is, it's going to be on the coach because you do have players that should be, you know, the best that we've ever had.

And Pulisic just doesn't care. That's what sucks. It's like a guy like that can't be the face of U.S. soccer. He does not care. He's, he's like looking forward to getting his break. He's never really been completely bought in on playing in all the tournaments. Like he doesn't really give a shit. We need a dog out there.

He's not a dog. dog. I think this guy, Kevin Sullivan from Philadelphia, might be a dog. He tries to fuck people up. We're doing this again. Yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready. But no, that guy. I had to say it was Philadelphia. Got me back in. Pulicit can't, a guy like that cannot be the face of your scene. Like, because you draw off that and it seemed like he didn't care. He checked out of two games. He did the same in the World Cup in 2022. He just doesn't seem like he, he loves playing for the U.S. national team. And that's okay, but he shouldn't be playing for the U.S. national team.

Hank, I want to hear from you in a second, but I also should say, like, Belgium should be embarrassed for themselves for the crying they did with the balligan thing. They were so much better than us. They could have beaten us with 10 guys. They should never have said a word. They should have been like, all right, cool. You guys are going to get government interference to get him to play the game. We don't care. We'll still beat your ass.

I would have respected that more. So Belgium, listen, you won the game fair and square. They were mocking Trump in the locker room. That's all fair. You got to be able to do. We talk a lot of shit. They talk shit back. But the fact that they were ever scared of this team is nuts.

That is nuts. And also, it probably gave him some bulletin board material. It's like, it seems like everything stacked against them going into the game. And they're like, fine, fuck it. We ball. Hank, how are you feeling? I mean, I feel, I feel sad. I was the first game that I really sat down and watched every second of.

and it was over from the second it started. We had 60 seconds of joy. I had, yeah, literally 61 seconds. Like in real time, the game was back. I've had a lot of time in the airport. I had a lot of time thinking about the past few weeks. And I have been watching. I know I said I don't like soccer.

I feel like I said this in the beginning, that the group stage is who cares, but once the elimination games come, it's electric. It's been very fun to watch. Like, it's been very fun to follow the last, you know, two weeks last week at, you know, we're at the beach while I was watching in the bar, all different people from all different cultures, room for different teams. A lot of fun.

I was excited about the U.S. PFT. I was drinking the Kool-Aid. Again, spent a lot of time in the airport. It was kind of bored. I was like, all right, let's lock in, took PFT's bet on Draft Kings. It was like USA, USA, USA. Mm-hmm.

And within 10 minutes, the game was so clearly over. It was terrible. Yeah. That's what happened. And that's always going to happen. Yeah, that's what's saying. Like that's the, we suck at soccer. And I think it's fine for people to like get excited about it.

Like I was excited about it. Like people in the like people every single bar in the airport in the Denver airport was like filled the people like excited to watch the game. I think like 95% of people have completely forgotten that game happened like by tomorrow. And they're like, all right, we suck at soccer. Life goes on. Yeah. I'm on to Summer League. No, yeah.

You did the WIS play tonight in summer. They're like, oh, I can't believe. Like you're still like really upset. PFT was in his, he was he was looking for anything last. Yeah, I was hunting dopamine last night after the game was over because I was, I was so, so upset and so pissed. It was more that I was angry about this. So we started just roaming the streets of Tahoe. I was looking for any dope.

We got some ice cream. I was walking by a store and Colton was like, would that make you happy if you went and rented that, that three wheel spider car? I was like, absolutely it would. I tried to rent a three wheeler. They said that they don't do it there. I had to go to like a different store. Then I went to the casino and gambled for about six hours. last night, which did actually replace the dopamine for a period of time.

So it's pretty happy about that. But no, I'm pissed off. I can't sugarcoat. I'm really, really fucking upset at how bad and how little we cared. And we can talk about like a lot of people are doing the hand-wringing over the youth programs and being like, what should we do differently? It's pointless. We do that every four years. There's time for that.

When you lose in the playoffs, if you're a football team, you lose the playoffs, you talk about the guys that fucking suck. on the field. You don't talk about your scouting department. What, Max? This isn't football. Like, you care about football. Yeah. Right. This is soccer.

We don't care about soccer. No, I'm saying. Max, you see the hypothetical? You completely missed the point of what I was saying. Okay, my best. Did you see the hypothetical that Stephen Jay threw out there that's like, would you rather have your team win a Super Bowl or the U.S. win a World Cup? I think I'd rather have my team win a week seven game.

That's not true. Maybe, maybe. But maybe it was the Packers, yeah. If it was the Cowboys. It would be electric. If we won the World Cup of the Super Bowl versus World Cup is not even. No, yeah, Super Bowl. Super Bowl.

If we had won two more games, I would have taken back every single thing I said and been like, this team is legit. And like we're a soccer power. But it wasn't. We weren't even. We didn't even qualify for the World Cup. That's what I'm saying. We were gifted an entry to the World Cup because we were hosting the party.

all right, yeah, like you're having the party. You can come to your own party. And then they gave us our cupcake group stage. And it was also an expanded field. Like everyone, everyone got out of the group stage. That's my, I mean, we already did the who, who's most upset off PFT won that easily. I, I like rooting for the U.S. men's national team. It was fun.

The way we lost to a team like Belgium who's not even like one of the top four teams in the, in the world. it's just the levels to it Like you just see that and you're like Okay cool we're so far away You can't we're basically a team We're basically like an 11 seed that won a play in game And then they played and then they played Maybe they won even the second round game

Then they played a like an actual like top 10 team Got beat by 20 and you're like All right cool we were never even close to a final four Like that was never in the realm of possibilities It is crazy though because Portugal lost Messy is losing right now as we speak two to one to Egypt, which is crazy. So like, weird stuff happens to soccer.

This was not a weird stuff happens game. This was a vastly, vastly superior, more prepared opponent than we were. That's it. It was just. What are you going to say, Max? We suck. The goalie thing was weird. That, we suck.

That had to have been, that can't be normal in soccer. We suck at soccer. Like, any professional level. So here's the thing, Max, is like sometimes with goalies, they become goalies because they're not really that good in the field. and they don't really practice that much using their feet. We've got two guys that kind of fit that description. And yeah, it was.

Why was he out there? So sometimes you've got to come out and... But he was so far out. You can come at... A lot of goalies do come out that far and fuck with the ball. But, I mean, it was a simple play. And you can't fuck that up. Do you think, are you...

What are your thoughts about Hank in general? I need some more dopamine. What? That was an all-time Hank face. Yeah, Messi just scored. We're going to talk about it after this, but yeah. What does this have to do with me? All right, here my thoughts on Hank.

Because I was into Hank's credit. He hasn't really done this yet. He's probably thought about it. But I thought we were going to see Hank wheeling in the straw man that he's been building for the last three weeks to be like I was told that we were going to win the World Cup, which is not something that I've ever said. So I'm pleasantly surprised with Hank So good job fair play to Hank

You haven't said that Yeah I know I thought that you would say Like I was told that we were good enough To win the World Cup I've known this I've been well aware of where U.S. is hashtag Hank was right The whole time I've just been laughing

When it's senior but this has been a thing For like three years my issue again Like the World Cup is fun Like I have enjoyed the World Cup I know I said that in the beginning Like I don't care about soccer World Cup entertaining Good summer

Summer entertainment The knockout games are electric Star players all that stuff We're not even part of the World Cup in my mind But the problem is going to be And somehow it's going to happen in like three months Like I don't know how it's going to happen It's going to be like way too quickly

We're going to be in like a concaf like Yeah sectional against like Jamaica And PFT's going to be like oh my God We won four to one like we're back That's when it gets annoying and then it doesn't Like it just keeps coming up Where it's like I'll tell you it does not matter

every time you talk about soccer for the next three years it doesn't matter we I won't I won't talk about soccer we might not like are we there's a chance now that we're not hosting the world cup we don't even qualify for the next one they go now they expanded 32 yeah so it's we don't qualify then we then they should just never play soccer again in this country we've only misqualifying for the world cup one time since what 1990 uh so it's not like we have a hard time qualifying usually we did fuck up bad in 2018 i will not like i don't really talk about soccer unless it's the the U.S. and the World Cup.

So the only way, I'll tell you how they're going to get me back. Hank might be right. You talk about, like, the Copa America and, like, that's what you. I bring up once every, like, nine months on the show and hang's like, oh, why are we talking about this again? I'll tell you how they'll get me back. They're probably going to hire PEP as, as the head coach of the national team. And if they-

Won't matter. And if they do that, I'll get back in. Won't matter. What? Who's Pat? That is one of the best coaches of all times. And he said in the past things that would make you think maybe he wouldn't hate coaching. His best friends is Joe Missoula.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That would get Hank back. That would get Hank back. He's Joe Missoula's favorite coach. What's his accolades?

He's got, he coach. He coach Holland. EPL. Champions League. But even if we have the best coach of all time, we'll never have the guys. Correct. That's my point. That was what I was saying.

Like, it's okay to just, again, it's okay to be like excited about the World Cup, excited to watch U.S. Man's national team. I'm in in that camp. I was so pumped to watch that game last night. But it's like, hey, we're just never going to be on par with the best countries in the world because it's never going to be our number one sport. It will never be important enough. And it's a reality. It's so much further ingrained in those cultures and countries. The skill gaps too far. We'll never keep up. Yeah, it's about it. We're cooked. Yeah, I will say, like, this isn't even political, but I'm not, I'm not apparent. But I don't understand. I do like hockey is expensive.

sport and they always talk about like how it's like travel soccer is like pricing out people how is travel soccer yeah i mean it's stupid because it should be the it's soccer the people the people the people that set up the the like travel hockey travel baseball and kind of little more expensive and all that shit yeah yeah the people that set up the youth leagues around america did it in a way to make themselves money when it first started being talked about it was like the sport of the future quote unquote back in the 80s and the people that set it up they set up the leagues to benefit them So you have to pay if you want a good coach and not like somebody's dad that has read a book about coaching soccer, you have to pay that guy a lot of money. The field rentals cost a lot of money.

The referees, they try to like swag the kids out with cool equipment and bags and shit to make it feel like you're not completely wasting your money. But that system is completely broken. It sucks. And I thought coach, he talked about it a couple weeks ago. He was like the reason why we don't have, you know, the most skilled players in the world is because, like, all these kids grow up with a soccer ball at their feet from the time that they could walk. And everything about, like, playing keep away from your brothers or sisters or, like, your dad tries to get the ball and you just dribble it away from, like, you've got all those tiny little muscle memories built up because you've been playing soccer since you were like two years old. And unless we get every kid in America to do that, which we won't, then we're going to have, there's going to be a skill gap there. It's not necessarily about having our best athletes playing soccer, although that would help.

It's just about just having that deep background for each individual player. Again, I think, I think a winner two could have gone a long way towards the future of soccer, but like no kid was watching that game being like, oh yeah, no, that would have been a huge. If they had even come, they like lost in shootouts, right, let alone, if they won that game, it's like the hype. It would have been a pendulum that swung, but it swung the wrong way. If we had lost in penalties, I would have been like, I would have actually be. been disappointed. The way we lost, how could you even be disappointed? It's so,

we're so far away. Some of the best players on the team didn't even grow up in America. Yeah. Yeah. That's what we need. We need more of that. All these teams. That's how the whole world is. We need more more foreigners to play. Yeah, we need all foreigners to play. Yeah, we should actually have as few Americans as possible on our American

soccer team. Peps won three Champions League, six, uh, EPLs. Pretty good. He's a pretty good. He's a best friend. He's, and he's won three Champions League with two different teams. And he helped the Celtics win the NBA championship a couple years ago. So yeah, he's...

But again, Zach, it feels like you're with me, like, the Pep. It won't matter. He can only do so much. Unless Pep can just find a bunch of players that aren't American to be American. Even coach this year, like he goes against A.C. Milan job.

He's a great coach. And it's a golden age of who we have. These are the best players for this U.S. team that will ever, up into this time, is our best shot. It doesn't matter because, like, it's so ingrained through generations. Like say if Hank has a kid, he loves soccer,

Hank's not going to be able to teach his kid about the game. He will not. But if he did, it's just like it's, there's, the gap is too big, it'll never be closed. Unfortunately. But again, I'm not saying that Pep is going to make a difference. I'm saying that's the move that they could pull that. That could bring me back and get me excited again so that I will have my heartbroken again.

What are the thoughts on maybe just getting all the way behind rooting for country and not the actual gameplay? Because you know the gameplay probably will end in heartbreak. That's me. Yeah. I'm rooting for country. And it's like it's the, it's the name on the front of the jersey knowing that we're probably going to be in the exact same spot in four years. Sweet 16 look like shit. The party of the World Cup is fun.

Correct. Like that all the bars get super packed and everyone, it's everyone on the same side. Talking shit. I don't take back. this shit I talk. No. It's fun to talk shit. It's so fun.

When you're, when you're just piecing up Bosnia and you're piecing up all these little puppies. And Hertzcovina. Yeah. Yeah. You're just fucking them up. Who do we? Paraguay?

Get out of here. It's fun. See, that's what got me back was seeing how we played because we've never played like that before. And so I was, I was fully bought in. And it's,

Hank was right. It's not going to happen. Can we, can we actually play? Like, is there a way that we could just play an independent schedule? Like, can we be,

like, BYU, you kind of does this. Whereas like if you just play, if you play teams that you can beat and then you go to the playoff or you go, you know, step up in competition.

One time a year you get killed. But let's just like stack a, let's stack a schedule where we just win all the time. I think what you're saying is like, smallest countries and we just fuck them up. Because maybe once a year we have to play. That's the problem. That would actually be worse for us.

Belgium is small. Become Notre Dame. Came Erudy would have smoked us. Become Notre Dame. And we have our traditional game against Mexico every two years. years and then we just schedule the worst countries from around the world

We're Americans, we like winning And that's the worst part about this is that We're competing in a sport that we're never going to win at. So it's like I kind of don't I will take my ball and go home. We got a home against Nepal in the next three years. Yeah. And then every time World Cup qualifying comes around, we just tell FIFA like look at these look at the numbers that we put up

in the last three years. We've we lost two games And we won 12. Most of them were against Kyrgyzstan. So we should be in World Cup by our resume that we've put together. Correct. Okay, let's talk some more World Cup. We're going to talk about this Argentina game because they just took the lead in the 90th minute.

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hot seat, cool throne. Uh, my hot seat is my Mount Rushmore partner, the guy sitting next on my right. Oh, no. Zach. Zach, by the way, can, before whatever Hank is about to say your eyes have been insane today I appreciate that big guy thank you like so kind I think maybe it's they're just matching Lake Tahoe's blue

but oh my god and he's and he's doing context oh they're popping thank you you're not doing PEDs are you there's no like blue contact lens no just like standard from the eye doctor we were active today on the golf course

so I didn't want to roast a glass falling off. Yeah, yeah. It's almost like icy blue. Put them in sport mode with the contacts. Yeah. So now that we've given you this compliment, Hank, go ahead. Kassanat went live last night and they announced all there was this list is long. All the people that got accepted in the streamer university.

I don't know. People like Chaz Delicious. Cool butterfly. Suki mellow. Coolie tea shoddy. Dean Blandino. Cute guns. King 68, the Great.

So pink. Yeah. And Reg too funny. Zachie Blue Eyes. No, Zach on this list that I saw. Now, Zach. Those are all great streamers. Zach, you know what the first question's going to be?

Mando millions. You didn't familiar with him? Not entirely. That might be a different demo. I'm not doing to Mandel. Do you know where this is about to go for you, know what the first question is going to be? Do you want to address the first question before I even ask it?

I'll think he knows the first question. You know what the first question is going to be, Zach. Did you actually apply? Yes, 100% application in. Swear. Sent in. Swear, all the way, yeah. Do you have confirmation that we can share it?

I did. Yeah. I had a confirmation photo. I remember sharing to Max. I can find it in my camera. Because you had about 40 minutes left to submit a video. That was the other night. And I don't think you had to finish it.

I had to finish the video. Okay. I could find it. Did you finish the video on time? Yeah, I got it in. I have a screenshot. That was, where did we go? So you and,

Jill and Brown. Both got rejected. Application receipt. Yeah, 100% right now. Okay. I definitely put it in. What fee was there to, to apply to Streamer U? I didn't have a fee to apply. Okay. So there's like some rumors that floating around online that like you had to pay $3,000 to apply, but that just wasn't the case. So you, why didn't you get accepted? A lot of grades. A lot of great people applied. I didn't get accepted. They should do like, they should do an exit interview with you. Like, I want to know why you didn't get in. They, that would be nice. if they said, hey, if you're looking to get in next year, here's the things that you could improve on.

They let Raw Dogg Moon in. Oh, Raw Dog Moon is awesome. I will say it's a big university. I've never got into a big university before, more of like a community college guy, but. Yeah, do they streamer community college? I would just get- Big universities are easier to get into than smaller universities. I didn't get any big universities.

No, that's, that's on the whole. It's probably true. That's like ACT-S-A-T stuff, though, you know what I mean? Yeah. Do you think there's a chance we need to get your, do you get your dad industry? streaming so that way you become a legacy streamer. I think what needs to happen is like, you know how you get, you get your GPA up and then you transfer?

I just need to work now on getting my streaming GPA up so that I can transfer a different time. Take care all your gen edge right now. You need to go to like Dr. Disrespects community college. No, I know. I know what I said. I know what I said. I just think head down stream more.

I don't know about Dr. Dispest. Myers-Linner. Myers Leonard to you We just got to head down and work boys Didn't get accepted Shout to everybody who did though It's gonna be super great learning experience No not shout out

Fuck him fuck raw dog moon Jack you think straight to Bank Wait say that one again Straight the number two T.H. Bank Straight to the bank Straight to the bank

He lives in bench That guy's richer than all Yeah that guy lives at the bank That guy's got his paper right That's good name Fucking Josh got in that's an aggressive Josh

fucking Josh man shout out fucking Josh the U as a V but Zach I think that maybe you need to stream more I think that that's probably a good start

to get those streaming numbers up that way when you apply they look at your resume and say okay he's not you know actively trying to start stream because I'm sure they don't want to let people in that say I want to start streaming

they want people that have shown that they want to do it on their own that you know are dedicated to it that they know will come in and then take the the education that they get which I'm sure is extremely valuable and put that into practice.

That's what I was saying. Head down, just got to stream more. Zach, would you... We're lockstep with that, P.P. You're 100% correct. You couldn't be more correct. Would you like me to tell you the truth or say nothing? Do you have those options?

Oh, always a truth. Yeah, for sure. You don't want me to just say nothing? I would... Truth or nothing. I'll take truth. I'm insanely disappointed in you. Did you say anyone of the truth? All right.

I understand that. Zach? Insanely. to be more. No, I had to throw it insanely. Zach, I want to tell you. I'm not, I'm not insanely. I'm just pretty disappointed in you.

I take that. I take what you're seeing and I receive that and I completely understand. We're not mad. We're not mad at. We're just disappointed to a level that you've never experienced in your life. Insanity. Insanely. I'm proud of you for trying.

No, we didn't try hard enough because we didn't get in. If we would have tried hard enough, we would have got in. Obviously, I didn't put enough work into it to even to be. be considered and that's on me. I'm disappointed in how hard you tried. I might be more disappointed in you than the time than when your dad had to fire you from the car shop. That was family stuff though.

Yeah, that was. Well, no, that was business. The firing was business, yeah. It leaked over a little, but not too much. Exactly, what I like to do when I have a problem that I'm trying to solve is I try to figure out how to divide it into small steps, bite-sized pieces, and you make a plan, and you set goals. So, if we're going to try to stream more, what's a goal that we're going to try to stream more?

what's the goal that we could set? I just got to get a, I just got to get in the lab on, not only like a regimen base, but also like, not just going into it to go into it. You got to come in with a plan. You got coming to an objective base. Yeah, that's what I'm asking. That's what I'm asking.

Thank you, memes. What's like, what do you, what do you? How many times? I'm trying to think what makes sense here. How many hours a week? Let's talk about that. What do you think hours wise? Are you saying what makes sense like,

what makes sense for me to not be insanely disappointed you? 15 times a week. I'm trying to think hours. I actually don't care how many hours a week. you stream as long as you get into streamer university. Like, I can't believe that our son didn't even get into college. We're not going to pay your rent anymore. I hate to say it.

This is the, this is the first time. You got to get a job. You got to go get a job or go to college. Those are your choices. This was tough the first time. This is tough for the second time. How many hours a week?

How many hours a week can we dedicate to stream, Zach? I don't hear the word. I think you're comfortable. hear the word could. The problem is you're comfortable. I want to hear rejection. Seven days in a week. I want to hear the words will, not could.

I'm not the best at time management, but does 18 to 20 make sense? Sure. It sounds like you're afraid of streaming. You know, 18 to 20 sounds. I want to have a real conversation. That was strong, right?

That was too strong. That's a lot. You're saying back it down. That's a lot. Max better at time management to me. So maybe, are you scared of streaming? No, definitely not.

I'm not scared. I'm not scared of Well, I'm sensing some fear. No, I could, no fear, no fear. No fear. What is the source of the reluctance? No, no reluctance. I think we're in, there's definitely some reluctance here.

We're not in a good spot, but we can work to get into a better spot. Okay, how about 18 to 20 sounds ambitious? That was strong. How about six? Six sounds good. I can rip six. I can definitely rip six. So we'll 10.

10. Let's say 10. Let's say even 10. 10 hours a week? Yeah, definitely. But that includes, like. I can rip 10. You also stream from your house.

That's what I'm saying. I wanted to make sure that that guy. You can stream from your house too. We just need, we need you getting reps. Yeah, certainly. And like,

we're going to help you out. But like, if someone else can't do it, solo stream. They're on the ball. Yeah, solo stream. I think you got to do,

you got to have a schedule. Yes. Regiment is good. Schedule. Routine is good. I will say schedule is hard with our schedule. Like, we can't put in.

Put that on a quote card. Schedule is hard with our schedule. That's fast. Like, Zach's streaming schedule is hard. To make a consistent streaming schedule for Zach, it is hard to do that with also the part of my take schedule. Yeah, but there's also Monday, Wednesday, and Fridays are not having days.

But then sometimes we have an interview. Like, we would say like, okay, every Monday, Wednesday after the act. Yeah. But then we have an interview and then you can't do it with that. Yeah. Zach, can I give you, do you want truth or silence again? Another option. I think, I think I think I take the truth because I don't give a fuck about this. Shit streaming school. I just want you to stream. Okay. I actually don't care that you didn't get in. Fuck them. You know what we're gonna do? We're gonna start our own streaming school

No, no, I don't want to get in. You know, he got them they rejected my boy. I reject them. Zach's streaming school for kids that can't stream good like starting next year I understand how my current stream my yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we could pick up like and we'll just get the we'll get the leftovers. We'll get the mutants. We'll have like you know like some seven year old some old people some weirdos. I'm and don't even know how to turn on the camera. This is the idea and we'll charge them all. I can see on my current streaming resume is rejectable. Exactly. We got to build that portfolio. It's like anything in life.

The thing is you've got to build that book of business. You've got to figure out a schedule. Yes. Stick to the schedule. And really, this is just us saying, we think you'd be good at streaming. We encourage you to do it more. In fact, we are, I'm close to issuing my first command.

I command you to stream more. Yeah, I can do that. 10 hours a week. A 10 piece. That's a command. Yeah, 10 piece. Also, uh, I can do that.

The, the, the eye comment stance. They look hot. I did appreciate the comment. They're a compliment. Separate. I'm making a sandwich of,

of compliments on your eyes. Different chapter. It's okay for this book to have a compliment. Also, maximum disappointment. That's okay. Okay.

We learn from both. Okay. They call it a shit sandwich. Yeah. All right. Hank. Good, good hot seat. Great hot seat, Hank.

Uh, my cool throwing is Novak, Djokovic. Yeah, he's back. won a five hour and 50 minute match of Wimbledon still going. I think he's on to the quarterfinals, maybe semifinals. Let's go. Insane.

Insane run for a 39-year-old. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Ah. Oh.

Oh. Oh. Okay. Good job, Hank. Good job, Hank. My first. Well, my hot seat is actually who's back of the week. Because I fucked up who's back of the week on Monday.

Ovi is back. Ovi's coming back to the capitals. And he might be back for two years. So I didn't talk about Ovi at all. He said he's coming back. His wife said he might come back and play two more years now. So Ovi's just going to have a lifetime contract. He can go out on the ice as long as he wants.

It's going to stink if he has to play meaningful playoff minutes because that was not pretty in the playoffs the last time we were in it. Ovi plays hockey to answer your question. No, I have a more serious question for kids. PFD. Oh, I don't know. Do you think your wizard's time has cut into your capitals time? Because I feel like if that was a wizard's news, that was wizard's news, that would not.

Good question. Yeah. I've gotten forgotten. That's valid. I took my eye off the puck. Yes. Yes. I've, it has.

And that's the thing is like my brain can only process so many sports at once. And now that I've let the wizards into my life, it is pushing other things out. That's 100% true. Like earlier this morning, I accidentally stole a car. Mm-hmm. And that's, that probably. That probably has a lot to do with the fact that I'm paying it. You just say that for Fire Fest.

For two hours. That's a good, that's a good, get more into that story. Okay. It probably has something to do with the fact that I am paying more attention to the Washington Wizards. So any mistake that I make, it's like, yeah, well, my brain is operating at 80% capacity because I've got, I've got wizard stuff floating around in there now. But Ovi's back. That's very cool. I love watching and play hockey.

I also kept the car on and walked away. We can get into this later. We can get in this later. That'll be Fire Fest on Friday. Tune in. CTE CTE CTE commenter

Also Well my cool throne Is Sean Payton's imagination Yeah God damn does this guy Have an imagination There's a Seth Wickersham

article that came out It talks about It was a year That he spent with Sean Peyton And Sean had this idea He never He never brought it to the brass At the Broncos

But he was considering it He wanted To Cuck himself Coach Cuck and hire Bill Belichick to be the head coach of the Broncos until he got 15 wins and got the all-time wins record from Don Shula. And then Sean Payton would have demoted himself to being offensive coordinator to help Belichick get up to 15 wins.

And then he would have retaken over. He probably he should have had the holiday in chair on the sidelines. Oh, no, up in the booth coaching from the cut chair. Yeah. It is, it's crazy that this was an actual plan or a thought that he had. this is one of the more hairbrained schemes of all time, but God damn I wish it happened. Yeah.

I'm so upset about it. Like I got mad when Kyle Shanhan came out and said that if the Niners had made the Super Bowl that one year where the Eagles kind of Astrox beat them in the NFC championship game, that he was going to have Phil Rivers come out of retirement for

one week and playing the Super Bowl. I'm pissed off that I know that because now I'm just like, God damn it, I wish that it happened. That's what I'm thinking about the Belich Broncos situation. Yep. Yeah. Also would have been funny if Belichick then fired Sean Payton.

As head coach. Yeah. I mean, you would have had the right to. You're going to make him head coach. Yeah, he would have had the right team. He's going to be, Hank, what would you have felt about that? I would have loved that. I mean, that's a, that's a bro move.

Yeah. I've ever heard one. And Belichick deserves to be the all-time win leader. So that. What do you mean deserves? What is this is a participation proffer? What do you talk about? Deserves.

He just deserves it. Oh, why. For everything that he's done for the game of football. But I mean, Don Chula did a lot for the game of football, too. Also, wouldn't the most deserving one be the one who did it? Yeah, there's still time. I believe he deserves it. I think he'll get there.

I don't think Belichick would agree with you on that. Yeah, no, he actually would say you're a pussy. Yeah. His words, not mine. Yeah. That was Bill O'Bellechechick. Yeah, don't get bad at us. Not us.

I wish this had happened. Really? I feel like you would have been upset by it. When Brady played for the Buccaneers, you weren't. Like Belichick coaching for another NFL team? Wait, wait, wait, wait. When Brady played with Buckingiers, what?

I'm just saying, like, it's weird. Wait, wait, wait. What, what, how did I feel about that? Well, you were probably missing that he was the, the, that used to be the quarterback of the Patriots. We talked about it, like, every week on this podcast, I was like, I'm rooting for Brady. I know, but he got you. But ideally, he just got you.

You would want him to be the quarterback for your team. But you just, like, did the thing where you invented how I feel. Yeah, when Brady played for the bucks, you hated that. Never. never take a step back you should have hated that got it yeah it's it's very rare but yeah he's got you in the corner

but not with it he's beaten you but big cat do you agree with what I'm saying that like seeing bellichick coaching for a different yeah he like this guy kind of weird right he weird but he did just check me at you because he he's saying he would root for bellichick always okay

all right he got you all right it's okay for me I wish it had happen. Me too. Yeah, he did say him too. He would, he would have liked that too. All right. My hot seat is Hank, um, because Chris Middleton's on the Wizards. And that's a great signing. The Avengers. Yeah, that's a great signing. Yeah. That's a great sign. Really good value too. Great value. Listen, keep the same energy you had for the Trey Young contract when we make a good investment and a quality veteran. That's what I'm saying. Also, my hot seat is Zach because of streamer universe. No.

uh, Zach, you're good, Zach, yeah, we're good, yeah, we're good, yeah, we're going to keep this

in between the white lines. I already got, I got a plan. We're going to, we're going to, we're going to put it together. Since we last spoke, Zach,

uh, tell me this. Let's, actually, I just woke up from a coma from Sunday night. Oh, I can't wait to watch

Rinaldo in his next World Cup game. Oh, that's, that's great. You just woke up the other day. He gets to play Spain soon. No, no,

I'm waking up right now. I, I, I fell asleep on Sunday, woke up right now. And where are you at? Globally, what time zone? Right now, right here. In this moment.

Hey, I haven't seen any sports the last two days. When's Ronaldo play again? The Saudi League kicks up here in a couple weeks, in a couple months. Oh, okay. Well, all right? At least Messi's still in, right? Yeah, I think Argentina may have won today. Yeah, yeah.

Incredible game. They did win. They did win. Incredible game. Some really good goals in that game. The possibly rigged that? Argentina being down 2-0 and then

Oh unfortunately no The Egypt coach is gone in all time. Here's what I'll say though. Here's what I'll say The good news about Argentina winning Incredible game The header to go ahead

With like five minutes left in the game They score three goals Like rapid succession To stave off elimination The one good thing is It's not like I show speed was there Saying that he somehow distracted Messi on his penalty

kick that got saved. He was right behind the net. Oh, he was there. He got fucking owned again. It was a great save, though. And to fully answer your question, you'll never see Ronaldo on the world stage again. He said he's done.

He'll have the next world go up. Yeah, the euros, I guess maybe. Portugal. I mean, Spain does. They don't have to qualify. So I'm going to think about three euros. A lot of guys compare that to the World Cup. Or like Max's lunch.

Mm-hmm. he'll never sandwich Joe it's good though sad it was tough man it was uh so i looked up the quotes from their their head coach this is about as nuclear as a coach can go after a game okay so he said we look better than the reigning champions better in everything but the result was influenced by internal factors on the pitch and external factors off it perhaps they wanted to keep the world champion in the competition perhaps they wanted messy to stay in the running and football there are sometimes external factors that go beyond the technical aspects. The world champion receives support at every level.

Okay. There seemed to be pressures from the Argentina side on this outcome, and they objected to the selection of the referee. We haven't seen respect. We haven't seen fair play. I want to put it in beautiful words and say hard luck, but we have been treated unfairly, and it has been an injustice. Whoa.

FIFA rigged? There's a lot of examples of them kind of riding for messy. Today wasn't one of them. I don't know. Okay. There we go. That was really nice. That was good of you. That was a great game. It was an awesome game. Awesome. The VAR thing did suck, though.

Yeah. To like take back a goal. What could have been one of the best goals in the history of the World Cup? To pull that back because of a foul that took place 90 yards away from the goal that the referee missed. I don't, I don't know where we're going with VAR. Stupid. But we need to draw it. We need to rain it in. Yeah. We need to rain in VAR.

It's gone too far. Yeah. Okay. My cool drones. I have two. the first is the Big 12. Actually, I should say the Monster Energy Big 12 conference because they signed a deal

today with Monster Energy and now they are going to be referred to as the Monster Energy Big 12 conference. That's real. I love this. That's real. I love it. It's going to be off patches on all the jerseys on the field. Sure.

It's perfect. What a perfect conference for it. Is it a crazy? More money. The Monster Energy Big 12 conference. Please refer to it by. It's given name. Yeah.

So is the, the sun devil, like the pitchfork? Is that just going to be the monster logo? I don't know. That would rock. It's crazy.

ASU is probably the most Monster Energy University. Listen, I saw the numbers. I don't know if they're getting paid enough for this, but it is in the concept of it is smart in the fact that if you want your conference to do better, just sell everything.

Everyone gets a piece of it. They can go get more players. You can be better. You will money makes money. You'll get more TV, right, all these things. So smart by Brett Uormack, but yeah, the Monster Energy Big 12 conference. What does this mean for the Dr. Pepper tuition giveaway? Or is the Big 12 going to have like, are they going to have Monster Energy giveaways?

I don't know. I don't know. That's a good question. That would be pretty cool. And if they ban the underhand toss, that could, that levels the Big 12 up a step in my mind. Yeah, it could. And then my other cool throne is ABS because it's doing its job. we have seven umpires that have formed the MLB

that they will be accepting their buyout and retiring at the end of 2026. So all the umpires are basically like, yeah, this kind of sucks because we're getting shown up for actually sucking. CB Buckner, Laz Diaz, Lance Barksdale, some of the guys that are deciding to retire. So legends.

Good job, ABS. Retirement tour for. She's getting the old guys out. For Barcdale, yeah. It's good. It's good. All right, Zach. I think you are correct.

hottest seat in the world today was anyone who wanted to see Portugal win because Spain was a tough pool when it comes to the bracket. They fought hard. I will say another hot seat maybe got today would have to be guys who try to live forever. Uh, because unfortunately the, the gentleman who does do blood transfusion with his son and spend $5 million on a company to try to live forever. He's currently sick. Oh no. That's a hot seat. I feel bad. He dedicated his stomachs eating him. He's got an incurable autoimmune disease. I've seen online he could just eat meat maybe and it would work. What do you mean his stomach's eating him? I think his stomach is attacking.

Is that like a diet? Can we do that? Do you want to die? I think it's going out to my... I don't want to die, but like, if your stomach's eating you, then you're... I would assume that your stomach just keeps getting smaller? Also, kind of suss to be, to be eating yourself. Especially when your girlfriend has a perfect pussy.

Yeah, medically. Which he has told us. I'll say it didn't know the autoimmune disease is uncurable. This feels a little insensitive now. By who? Us? But me, I feel bad. Oh. I mean, he's made his entire life opening up his own medical books.

That's a good point. Great point, PFT. I want a real bad point to say. He's got a lot of free advertising and publicity for himself on that. All right. I'm going to say something that, listen, I hope if this is real, I hope he, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to see anyone get sick. I don't want to see anyone suffer.

Is there a chance, windy fingers that he announces that he has an incurable disease that somehow he cures? I think there's a very good. chance of that. Yes. Hmm. That would probably help his business. That he cures via some proprietary formula that you too can purchase. Just saying, I hope that's not the case. I hope he's somehow he finds a way to beat this.

But I'm just putting my spidey senses up. That does feel like that's on the table, though. Now that you say it definitely makes it a lot of sense. Yeah. I didn't really think about it like that. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so it kind of tough. Your stomach gas starts eating itself.

Maybe eat a little meat, maybe some vegetables, and no more blood transfusion with your son. Also, I don't, I don't, like, anyone who's like, I'm going to live forever. Like, I don't, like, that's, like, the one thing that we all know is the universal truth. No one does. Yeah.

Impossible. You can't tempt, you can't tempt fate that way. But sometimes, sometimes narcissists have a very difficult time coming to terms with that. And so then they would make their entire personality fighting back against it. Yeah. Okay. You're cool. And then, uh, Cool Throne.

Guys who like to see fights because Carmen Greger's back Yeah I go see this weekend Conrading Fawkes in 2021 Or what's he been up to? A lot of boating

Maybe some movies He went on Fallon I saw that Very cool Maybe like What was in the movie Roadhouse Roadhouse great movie

I don't It might have been CGI I'm not sure how he was that jacked In the movie He looked huge If you guys saw that movie Are you a fan of Conor Gregor? I'm a fan of elite athletes

And he He puts on a Sometimes you can put on a good fight. It was a pandemic. He choked out cowboy. That was a pretty good fight. That was a flying knee. Never mind.

I apologize for that. That's okay. I'm disappointed. You, Hank, you fucked yourself for the Mount Rushmore coming up. He is. He is in hell. No. Oh, we're good.

The confidence is, he also has to cook his dinner. I just wanted to bring up the names that did get accepted. They were very much. I'm really trying to throw Zach onto the bus, and I kind of feel bad I did, but the names on that list just made me laugh. What was the rich guy's name again? Straight to the bank.

Yeah, straight to the bank. Good hot, see, cool, drone. How are you feeling, Hank? You ready for this? You ready for Mount Rushmore? Always. Yeah. Okay.

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Oh, it's Hank. So your second PFT, we're third. We're a little out of order because we didn't do Mount Rushmore on Wednesday and Friday, so we've changed the order. Are you going to let memes participate today? Yeah, what was your problem with that? I just, I listen to the show. Yeah.

And I just heard a lot of I, I, I, I, I, I know, well, do you obviously didn't listen to the show then? Yeah. Yikes. It was so low. Woo. We literally said before because you weren't around and Max wasn't around to even the playing field, we'd go mono-e-mono-imano. So you just didn't listen to the show. And memes said, yeah, that's fine.

I'll sit out this one. I just, I was wondering where memes was, that's all. Where's memes? Where's memes? I'm here. Yeah, memes are sitting right there and he said, yeah, that's a smart idea, because why would I have a partner and no one else does? He also did say, where's Hank?

So we did Mount Rushmore of aquatic animals, no Googling. Yep. No Googling. This one, we felt, I think, better than the weapons, no Googling. Yeah. R1-1 thought we had the second pick We're going to go with the smartest animal in the ocean dolphins Okay

Okay interesting Zach asked me about where I would put dolphins on my list I think it's a good pick I did say kind of a chick pick Dolphins are kind of chick animals Dolphins are awesome they are I love them Dolphins are awesome great very smart I like dolphins I think is a good pick

I can only chicks like dogs like I just chick five. I didn't say it. I like dolphins. They were on our list. Great. Yeah, I love women. Women love dolphins.

Nothing wrong with that. Traveling packs, great hunting techniques. Yeah. When they go over the waves, they're so surf. Speak like in sonar. Yep. Yep. They've saved humans' lives.

Yeah. Dolphins are sick. Max pulled his visor down over his eyes. Max, why are you uncomfortable right now? I'm not uncomfortable. I just can't believe. I can't believe Henry Lockwood didn't pick something that I thought was going to get picked. Okay.

Okay. So I'm up? Yeah. You're out. Well, my one one's still on the board. So I'm going to take it. The Great White Shark. Okay.

Great White Shark. Awesome. Apex predator. Kind of like, but it's like not the ape. Like they don't really kill that many people. Well, they dominate the water. Mm-hmm. They are, they own the water.

So we're going to go specific. I'm going to go specific. sharks or i think yeah i think you can there's there's enough variety in the shark world out there that i'd be okay would all right then yeah we'll go specific we'll go specific too okay all right so our first pick is killer whale uh love killer whales um i learned a fact about killer whales did i share it on this show but or corkas yeah killer whales i'm well i wanted to say killer whales what's the problem of that i thought they don't you guys went on this entire rant like two weeks ago about how they don't kill people yeah yeah no no they don't kill people

They kill other animals. Got it. The whole thing is they don't kill people because they respect people and they only eat the thing they're supposed to eat. But they'll fuck up a sea lion, a seal, a salmon, whatever you want. With killer whales. A bunch of killer whales that were trying to fuck up humans, like tipping their ships over? They do kill people when they're captive, which actually is the most badass thing you can do. Because they get put in jail and then they're like, fuck this.

I'm going to kill all these fat people at SeaWorld. It's a great pig. I had that. That was my second. Killer will be a sling term or they're synonymous with orca. What? Like, would they be orcas? Would that just be like an offhand, like a way to describe them?

Like, are you asking if they would appreciate being called killer whales? Yes. I think they probably prefer orcas, but. Okay. We're not doing the PC thing. Yeah. Yeah, it's fun names. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. I'm not the one who said dolphins were chickpicks. I had your back on dolphins. I'm just saying, yeah. I wasn't even put it down. But you're calling them killer whales. Okay, we could call it orcas.

What are you guys want to do for the next pick? Did I, do you like what I said? I'm good with, I'm good with either of those. What was you say? Okay. Yeah. Corner of the market. Okay, yeah.

Well, yeah, I mean, it's the biggest, the biggest thing in the ocean, the blue whale. It's fucking massive. Haas. It's an absolute beast. Great pick. It's a good pick. Thank you. Love blue whales.

It's a pretty good pick. I do. I love blue whales. Clean the whales. Clean them. Okay. PFT. Okay.

I'm going to go with my second pick. I'm going to go with hippos. We had it on our list. Massive. Yep. Maybe the most deadly animal on this list. Hippos don't swim. It counts, but I'm just saying hippos don't swim.

They run around. They run around. Yeah. I'm just saying that's a fun fact. That's how they swim. It's just a fun. fun fact to say. Yep.

Hipos don't swim. They actually don't know how to swim. Yeah, that's how Leroy used to swim. They run on the bottom of the water. He would run with his hind legs on the bottom, and then he'd take his front paws and act like he was swimming, but he had no idea. I feel like when you have young kids,

you just learn fun facts about animals that, like, no one else now. It's so sad. Yeah, I mean, I watched it live. I went to the Lincoln Park Zoo. Watch the hippo just, he just fucking walking on the bottom. Hippos are like the most chill-looking animal that actually will fuck you up. Yeah. You ever seen him eat like whole watermelons all the once?

That's just awesome. Yeah. Slow mo when they crush them. That could be your skull. Oh. Yeah. Also, I think Mudang counts under this pick, too. It's a pygmy hippo. Yeah.

Yeah. Happy birthday, by the way, Moudang. Okay. You guys have two. We would like to go with... Nothing. We'd like to go with giant squid. Okay.

Good pick. Yeah. Yeah, good pick. That's a dude pick. Bad ass. It's a badass pick. Yeah. badass pick uh and then we will go with the bluefin tuna okay okay

like delicious tastes great yeah tastes great tastes great taste great the coolest thing to catch if you're if you're a fisherman like that that bluefin tuna is like you're you know that's that's that's what you want to catch mm-hmm agree if he fish trophy fish yeah good picks good picks really enjoyed those same My next pick, I'm going to go with Crocodile. Okay. We had it on our list too. Very deadly.

Have you ever heard the story of Gus? I think the crocodile's name was Gus. The killer crock from, I want to say Congo. I guess how many people, Gus the crocodile has killed and eaten in his life. Gustav is his name. 7.5 million. This one crocodile. Yeah.

Has not, no, that's not. That's not close. Okay. 300 people Oh that's way less than I thought Yeah But this one fucking Gus is A lot of people

I think it's the animal that's got the most The most confirmed kills Of any animal For an individual And he's 71 years old right now Um okay Gus Gus

All right we have our last two picks The first one we know We're gonna go hammerhead shark Yeah Love a hammerhead shark They look so fucking cool And also the only shark that I feel confident I could fuck up

by just punching it right in the middle of the nose. Hammerheads have a bad marketing. I feel like they were hot when we were kids and you don't hear so much about hammerheads. They just look like they're awesome. Aliens. Yeah. You like see a hammerhead at an aquarium.

Yeah. Looks cool as hell. It's a showstopper. It's a panty dropper. Yeah. Big time. All right, boys, we've got to figure out our last one.

I don't know what to do. I like nine. I was going to say nine. Do you want to go with nine? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Max, no?

No, yeah? No? Yeah, yeah. All right. We're going to go with, uh, the octopus, the octopus. I like the octopus. Guys, fucking weirdo out in the, the ocean. Yeah.

Um, smart. Very smart. I saw that documentary, the octopus teacher. Yeah. And I, I still eat calamari, but I feel bad now whenever I eat it. The, uh, our good friend Nick Tarani has made the, the case that the octopus has the worst PR of any animals out there because there just should be, they should be kids favorite animal more often.

Yeah. Because they are like weird and interesting and smart. But, you know, kids don't, they don't fall on the octopus. Yeah, they don't. Okay. It's probably good. It's hard to say. Yeah.

And then you can say octopi. That's kind of cool. Yeah. All right. Okay. Good pick. Thanks. Kumbaya.

Kumbaya. My last pick, this is going to be the one that might win it or lose it for me. I love this. I'm excited. I'm excited. Mermaids. Mermaids. Okay.

They got the rack. They got the rack. You're just thinking of tits. I'm thinking of tits. Yeah. Yeah. You're like, how can I get tits into this Mount Rushmore?

It's a tits adjacent pick, yes, for sure. But just like a chick that's part fish, part chick. Mermaids aren't real. It's all right. I'm all right with them. I'm all right. I'm all right. Wow.

And we also don't know that. Yeah. We haven't explored so much of the ocean. That was on me. Our next pick was literally going to be a mermaid with big tits. So. Okay. There we go.

Okay. Where they got the clams? Just pick like a hot chicken in the water. Hot chick in the shower. Fourth pick we would like to take Alligator. Okay. All right. Good pick.

Good pick. So the one that we were going to take that was going to be adjacent to Mermaid was, and I don't know if it would have worked, SpongeBob. Yeah. He does live under the ocean. The pick. Yep. That's a good pick.

I don't know. We kept it in the middle. We kept in the middle of Fairway this time. No one mentioned beavers or otters. Or turtles. Turtles was one that I thought. Big Misses turtles, seals. People are going to be pissed about turtles, I think.

We had a discussion in the car about penguins. Would they have passed? Probably not. What about polar bear? Would that have played? See, that's where the penguin, yeah, polar bear gets. I think I would have allowed a penguin, I think. Polar bears and hippos?

Like, hippos now? Hipos are basically underwater for most of their day. Um, lobster, king crab. Alaskan king crab, we had high up swordfish. Sword fish. What about Marlin? Yeah. I, we had Marlin, then swordfish is kind of, we were thinking trophy fish.

Yeah, Marlon's a trophy fish. Uh, Mahi, mahi, just because I had. Marlon is like B trophy fish. Yeah, Marlon is like the number one trophy fish. Hank's just hungry. I had, I had, I had mahi, my, like, every meal in, in, uh, St. Martin. It was so good. Yeah.

Stingray. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Red Snappa. King's got a jellyfish. Clown fish, puffer fish. Seahorse.

I had seahorse on my honorable mentions. Isn't every seahorse female? No, I think it's the men carry the babies, though. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. What about Anaconda? Anaconda, I thought about that one.

I don't know if that's fully... No, I think that would work. I think that would play. Those things are fucking terrifying. Like, that's the scariest thing on the planet, I think. Just from watching that movie when I was a kid. What about piranha Parano is good

Parano or Barracuda Baracuda He saw a barracuda Yeah, that's scary It was like Zach said that Chef Donnie went and tried Pericudas are so scary Chef Donnie literally

I swear to God He went and like tried to play With this barracuda Baracutas are so scary Goldfish Yeah goldfish RIP Old Fashion goldfish

Oh Picking Larry Larry would have been a great Pander pick Big Miss Larry too Oh that would have been A great pander pick They're such idiots

Holy fuck Wow I'm actually happy that we all fuck that up Yeah, that sucks Because that would have been Oh Paul the octopus What do you guys think about

Norwals Don't really understand them Yeah, they seem like they're fake But they're real Balugas Those are those just small whales I mean we picked different types of whales No I just didn't know what a beluga

I'm not sure what a beluga is Yeah they're belugas humpback whales I love watching them jump out of the water I think Hank probably does too Yep, big time. Yeah. Why didn't you pick it?

We were going to try and get Orcas. Oh, that's why you were getting mad at me. You thought Orcas was going to last all the way back? We thought we had the second pick. Oh. You thought Dolphin was going to go 1-1? Shark! Yeah.

Great White Sharks got a whole-Wark was the EZ-1-1. It does have a whole week. That is a good pick. Michael Phelso would have been a good pick. Oh. Michael Phelps would have been a great pick. So you want the Should say

Orca for us? Well, that's the animal, yeah Okay, fine. It can take Orca. Yeah, it's fine. It actually is better for us because we don't want two whales back to back.

So it's better. I love orca, blue, yeah. Yeah, blue whale. Because if it says killer whales, blue whales, be like, oh, dude, you just took too many whales. How do we think everyone did there?

I was shocked by Dolphin going one one. I was shocked. We thought we were going to get Dolphin at three. I thought it was, we were fighting about what we were going to do at three because it was going to go. Yeah.

The rain white shark or corka. Hey, we mean, Zach her might not be the best about Rossville. Hey, long season.

We talked about it already there's like 20 more of these left. I think we took a different approach for most of the pigs of like attributes. I was also like, and then I was not just

just like food. I was just like. Yeah. Well, you just ate so much fish this past week. Yeah. So you were just thinking

about the fish. I ate a lot of fish. And my friends like caught a big tuna last week and it looked off. Yeah, because I was just to say when you said tuna,

we were thinking trophy fish, but you didn't think Marlin. At one point our list was going like Coveece. Yeah. And then what is the Calamari came up like we are.

Crap cakes. Yeah. Yeah. This is Hank's equivalent of going shopping at the grocery store. We haven't even dinner yet. Yeah. Yeah.

Bass would have been good. Oh, what about a striped. Musky. Sturgeon. Sturgeon. Yeah. Dinos are like prehistoric.

Yeah. Goliath grouper. That's the same. That was the way. I was trying to think of what those were called. Asian carp. Asian carp were fucked up. Salmon.

What about the one that lives at the bottom that's got the light? And it like lures you in with a little thing. I don't know what that is because we didn't have Google. Yeah. I know what it is. I don't know this name. Is it lanternfish? Is that what you said?

Angler fish. Okay. Oh yeah. What about like sea slugs at the way, way bottom? Sea cucumbers. That shit is crazy. Pinfish? Yeah.

What about sea onion chain? All the rich people on the Titanic? yeah Osama bin Laden you should have picked that Hank shout out shout out yeah why did you shout him out again oh because I think I said that

because of 9-11 so about Tom Brady that's what delayed yeah the Patriots the NFL canceled a week and then the next week they came back Drew Bledsoe got knocked out Brady came in

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We are live from the American Century Championship in Tahoe. It is the Kachuk brothers. Matthew, Brady, teammates. Let's start with that. I want to talk about your golf game because I actually have a question that you guys aren't going to like about your golf game, but let's start with teammates on the Florida Panthers. Has it fully set in yet?

And like, what's the vibe? Are you guys like this is the coolest thing ever? Want we go? Yeah. You have a new team. Yeah. For me, it hasn't sunk in yet. Like, it's just still so surreal.

I mean, there's been a couple times where we're at the rank when we went down there right after the trade. And it's like, holy cow, this is going to be every day for six months. And we're figuring out when our first fight's going to be. So I think it's definitely going to happen around. mid-camp sush, but no, I mean, it's crazy. We're going to live now three minutes away from each other.

And I don't even think it's going to hit until the first game of the year. Yeah. Wow, this is real life. Yeah. Are you, so Matthew, because you obviously, you know, you won cups with the Panthers. You're one of the vets on the team. Are you going to be able to yell at your brother when he fucks up?

Like, are you going to? Yeah, nobody's safe on that team. You can't even like, you can't even make a play in poker and not get chirped on this team. So there's nobody off limits. It is crazy, though, like Brady's 26, and year 9, because I'm in year 11. And he's the second youngest guy on the team. That's not.

So it's a very, like, the core of the team is all from 20. I think Anton Lundell is 24 and then to 30 or 31. So everybody on the team is pretty much in that age range without, you know, a couple older guys. So I think he's going to fit in perfectly. And even just like being in Florida years past, like getting to know some of the guys, like it felt like he's, you know, been around enough where the camaraderie part and the getting to know guys, like that's going to be so easy.

Where for most guys, that's a hard thing to do coming to a new team. So we flew down. He got traded on Sunday, Father's Day, best day ever. And we went down Monday, got him help with all the house. And my wife helped his wife out with that. and then brought him to the ring and introduced him to everybody. It just fit like perfectly.

Are you going to haze them? You have to haze them. See, you're already not passing the test. You're going soft on your own brother. No, no, no, no, no. You teammates are going to see this. I just don't want to tell him what we're doing. Okay.

He doesn't know, like, the pranks we pull in this locker. I'm like, nobody's safe at all. So he'll get it out of the gates. I just can't give away my secrets, but. Hide my car keys. That's the one thing. Yeah. High car keys.

That's like a nice. crank. Yeah. If we move your car. That's like, very nice. You should just have your dad be like,

I don't love you, Brady. Ah, gotcha. Gotcha. That would have heard. Come to the first game in a 19 jersey. Yeah. That was her.

Is there true to the rumor that you forced your way to the Panthers to improve the podcast? Yeah. No, there's, there's been a lot of things out there that a lot of people

have fabricated. But, you know, that's a part of it. So that's a part of it. The podcast is going to be better. Like, when you're face to face, it's,

oh, much better. Yeah, it's going to be, we're actually talking about how we're going to do it. So it's, I think everybody's pretty happy. Do you know who is the first guy actually we talked to or I talked to that said we should do a podcast like probably three years ago was my GM, Bill Zito. No way. He was like, you guys, I got to do this. Like it would be genius idea. Like you guys would crush it. Everybody in hockey that's never been done. People would listen to it. And then I talked to him like a couple weeks ago when you were in Florida. And he's like, yeah, me and my wife, his wife, Julie, were talking about it and thought it'd be a great idea.

Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty cool. You have the blessing of the GM. Oh, yeah. He's like the most on board. He was the guy who told us we should have started. Well, it's good for hockey.

Like it's not, I mean, there's, you know, some, some, I would say there's some people who play sports that maybe they shouldn't be as live as possible. Like, I think, like, maybe Jalen Brown or Micah Parsons going live on Twitch right after a game sometimes get them in trouble. But podcasting, like, for hockey, you grow the sport. Yeah. We just like tell what all of our listeners. have talked about or like said to us like in person stuff they love the behind the scenes stories of what's actually happening right now with current players like it's one thing for a former player to talk about like you know in my day this is what happened but for them to hear like current events

type stories like they love it so we got a lot more where that came from and a lot more good ones with us playing together now just kind of shit on spitting chicklets but that's fine I actually have a question we love those guys I wish they I wish they had it when they were playing because they have millions of unreal stories. Interesting you say you love them because I might have texted a couple of guys being like, hey, the Chuck brothers are coming by, got any questions? And the only question that I got out of it was,

why are you dodging them on sandbaggers? Oh, my God. This has been a couple years ago. It has been a couple years ago, almost like five times. I don't know about that. He said that you guys were dodging them for the sandbagger. We might have dodged them once. Yeah, we did dodge them once.

We did. It just things went mine up. I didn't like where my game was at. I don't want to embarrass myself. No, I think a good sandbagger, though, would be this year in Florida. Yeah. We can go to Yans's course. It's right there in Florida.

MJ can be on your team. We'll do you, me, dad, versus those three. I mean, I've played enough with Yans. Yans is a great player. Witt's obviously really good. Yeah. And Biz scares me. I've heard that he says he's not good, but he actually is really good.

Yeah. So we'll link up. If it doesn't happen this year with me and him being on the same team, my dad being in Naples, then we got big issues. Yeah. How much of partying at 11 was a driving factor and you wanting to play in field? I feel like I would just want to stay there. I've actually never been to 11, I swear.

There's no footage of me being there. But that was an incredible night. I mean, it just felt like we're the only people there. It was incredible. Yeah, but I heard that spot's great. Never been. Fantastic spot. Well, now that he saw that after one championship with the Olympics,

that's where we go and we won the Stanley Cup. Yeah. It's a little bit of motivation to win it again and go back there for a crazy party. Hell, when was the last time you guys got to a fight, like a physical fight? probably, I don't know if we haven't thrown punches and, you know, since we've been kids, but three years ago. But the biggest wrestling, by far the biggest wrestling match we've been in, I can remember was three years ago. It was, he was playing like, be a pro mode and NFL. Yeah. And I'm like,

let me just do one play. He was the quarterback. And I throw like, obviously a Hail Mary. I get hit as I'm throwing, pick six the other way. And he goes, we're going right now. He was, genuinely pissed off. I have no idea why I was so mad at him, but I was so pissed off. I just put it in such a good shift. That's so perfect. So wait, who won?

I think you probably, it's like the same old story of the last bunch of years. You win like 90%, but I make you tap out of it. Yeah, I don't have the killer in sync with him for some reason. But yeah,

win 90% maybe fatigue gets in there. I'll just get this over. It's never been a great condition. Yeah, I need to hop on the bike. Yeah. All right, so golf game. Brady, this is your first time here, right? Yeah.

Matthew, how many times do you play? This is three. Three. Brady, are you thinking about how many patrons you're going to maybe hit? I saw, I did a pre-scout. Everybody does pre-scout of the holes in the whole locations. I'm pre-scouting the ropes. Yeah.

With where in my shots, I could potentially hit them. So I expect it a little bit narrower. So now that it's, oh, there's going to be a couple. There's going to be a couple fours, a couple tuggies, a couple Rick Flares. So we'll see. We'll see. mostly i've taken my uh taking the over yeah yeah i don't know how you do it's a crazy part of the tournament is there's you know a lot of guys that you know they might consider them supposed to be

decent golfers but when we play on the weekends if you if there were was a gallery on every hole people would be dying left and right so yeah you got to you got to have somebody watching like a designated four person the gallery treats it though like it's the masters right they're they're right there Yeah. So forgetting it's mostly, I mean, for me, an amateur golfer, but I have no idea when this ball's going. Yeah. I mean, there are sticks. Yeah.

What do you normally shoot? Yeah, we play with Marty today. Marty and Jerry's going. Marty Fish is incredible. They are both awesome. Yeah. Awesome. So, like, they're safe around those guys, but not with us.

I'd say my game, I'd be happy in the mid-80s. Okay. Okay. So, yeah, that's a lot of people you're going to hit. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's three around at least. Yeah.

I think the over-under is probably nine and a half for the weekend for you. Yeah. Where did you finish the last few years? I think around 30. I would have to check. So try to get in the top third. But there's no excuse this year. I mean, we've kind of fumbled this year. And so I've had two months to play golf. So hopefully it can be a little bit better.

Was it weird watching the playoffs for the first time in a long time? Yeah. And a bunch of guys on my team, like we were actually talking before the playoffs. Like, are you going to watch? Like, no, like it's going to piss me off too much. Like, I love it so much. And it's really motivating, too, I think, even just watching it and being in your summer training and the dog days and you're like, we should be out there. Right. Then you do an extra rep the next day and be like, all right, we're getting back there next year.

So I love watching it, but it's, it was a little, still frustrating knowing that we had a good team and we had a chance if we would have got in. But more motivation for next year and we needed to get him and get us over the top. Hopefully for next year. It's not your team anymore. It's our team. Yeah, it's true. Yeah. Yeah, still feels crazy saying that.

Yeah, like he called me on free agent, free agent, what's it, free agent frenzy. Yeah, I think it's called. And like, it's cool to talk about like our team now. Like it's not like, hey, what do you guys think you're doing? Like, what about you? It's like, I can just talk about one team. And I know all of our family and all of our friends are just super jacked up to have one team to watch. Yeah.

So how close was it to somewhere else? Do you know, like, was it between a couple teams and you're like, oh, shit, this could go either way? Yeah, it was a couple teams in the mix there. And I mean, of course, it was always enticing. And just with him and with their team, just being around, I've just seeing the professionalism that they have day and day out. And it's all about winning. So, I mean, it was a good process.

It was a very unique process. But, no, it was fun going through that. And ending up in Florida was pretty special. I had no idea. Like, we were in the member guys. in St. Louis at my course there. And he was on the phone a little bit on the Saturday. I'm like, that's weird.

Like, he's just leaving me for a hole. Like, I got to play this by myself. Like, there's no phone call. It's that important to member guests. Like, this is the most important thing in the world right now. And so I knew something like was maybe happening and had no idea about Florida. Like, seriously, no idea. And we're at our parents' house the next day,

getting ready for little gold medal party we were going to have that night with all our family and friends. And he gets a, no, you got a call. you didn't have your phone. For Saturday, I was told that things are happening fast, so be by your phone. Saturday, nothing happened, Sunday all day. Just like, it was always right on my lap.

Five minutes for family pictures, I didn't have it. That's when it happened. Of course. And then our grandpa were sitting there, and he's like, huh, this is interesting. Like, he's on his Apple Watch. She's like, oh, I just saw a tweet from, no, Emily Kaplan, Pierre LeBrunn.

Like, Brady, you just got traded to Florida. I was like, what? Like immediately ran. and my phone had like five missed calls. I was like, holy shit. There is. What's going on? Yeah.

Yeah. How much insight did you have during that process in terms of like which teams it could possibly be? No, for me it's, no, with that what I had, I had a no move cause. So, you know, I was fortunate that, you know, for the teams is kind of up to, up to me, which teams were included. And, you know, for me, I included, you know, four teams. And so just talk with them throughout this, you know, on video calls, on, on,

Zoom calls and just getting know the GM's coaches. So then when it comes down to it, you know, my position, I had the final say of, you know, yes or no. So but I think towards that last day, it was just happening fast for all the teams involved. And then got a phone call that, you know, was happening with Florida. And it was kind of a no-brainer there. Are the four teams public? Can we guess?

You have to tell us if we get it right. Okay. So Florida obviously is welcome. I know he's not going to. Yeah. Nobody knows. Everybody thinks they know, but nobody knows. Colorado.

Unfortunately, I was hanging with you guys this morning at the coffee shop. So Vegas, I know for sure. Because you guys told me that. I think that might have been me, actually. I was a doubt there yet. All right, so we have two of the four. Was Chicago on there? Okay.

Colorado? It's got to be no state. All right. All right. Say what? Sharks. It's a good one, but. Dallas.

Wow. Okay. So now. That wasn't like, he wasn't saying no to both. He was just like not giving it. Oh, you're just saying, oh, okay. I wasn't responding. Okay.

Podcasts and we're going to get it out of you after the cameras are turned off. We're just going to say it. On your next one. Yeah. One thing you won't say about yourselves, I'll brag on you guys. You guys are heroes. You saved a life today. You don't know that we know that.

But we were driving back to the hotel. I accidentally stole a car this morning, so I was driving it back to drop it off at the front desk. And there was a lady that was pulling around a corner with the flattest tire that you've ever seen in your life. Her wheel was pretty much falling off the car. She had no idea. And you guys were just yelling at her. Be like, hey, hey, pull over. Did you offer to help change the tire?

So, I have to press the tie-out. Okay. Not both heroes. He immediately just teed off on the next door. He was like, oh, it's handled over there. But I saw it. I don't think she had any idea. It was the loudest noise I've ever heard my life.

Like we were like rolled down the window like your front tire pop she said what and stepped out and she's like already on the phone and she was showing it and it was like it's just a tough bounce. Yeah. Yeah. She was one of those things. She was willing to drive back to Reno. Like she was driving back to California. Yeah. That thing was about to fall off. A nice 500 feet away. We saw it memes or our guy memes was like, hmm, that's pretty catch up. But it was funny because it was like everybody like helping her trying to guide her and Matthew all of a sudden we just hear the team shot. He had not. to do it that he's not.

Yeah. He's got to handle it. There was so many like cooks in the kitchen too. Like I didn't want to be another annoying. Yeah, yeah. Here's what you do. Yeah, yeah. They were here on. You, Marty, everybody handled it great. Yeah. Last time we had you guys on, you guys said you were going to do a team USA meetup over the summer. So have you scheduled it? Like I know obviously you were probably talking to Quinn Hughes when you maybe were going to go to Minnesota because that was one of the four teams.

So Quinn actually. Yeah. No, it's funny to say that because Quinn in the summer in Jersey, he actually moved, him and Jack, moved like three doors down for me for the month of June. And those guys are complete legends. It was fun to see them, see them buzzing around. But, no, there's some good sauna sessions, just chatting it up. Love that. Yeah.

Seeing what he was thinking, stuff like that. But they're the best. We had so much time together and just great guys. There's been a lot of, like, opportunities too. Like, I know a few guys went to D.C. for the fourth. A bunch of guys, a bunch of us are going to SBs on Wednesday, like next week. Bold's is going to be here this week, Matt Boldie. And it's just, yeah, he's going to have a chance.

I guess he's a really good player. So he might have a chance this weekend. But we've, the group chat is alive and well. Like, we've done a great job of keeping, not even keeping in touch. just like constant communication and just having, I don't know, like all it takes is one person to have a memory of that and like see something or have a picture or like find picture of the day or something. They'll send it in and then the group checkets going for a while. It's, it's, I'm telling you like collectively the best group of guys ever. So all like mind did, like all played together at one point like very, very similar personalities.

And it was it was just a blast. And that group's a tough group to beat personality-wise. Who's the one guy on the group chat that has not been pulling their weight? There's always one. We call them out right now. Oh, I think everybody's been. No, there's got to be one guy who's gone silent for a while. I mean, I'll term because he's my boy, Sandy.

Sandy won someone, I'll throw in like a liker. Yeah, but he's not doing it. He's not adding it. He's just doing the thumbs up. He's probably just pumping iron all the time. He's so dialed. It's hard to get an award, though, on that group. Once it gets going, it's just the ghost.

I mean, Millsy, Clarks, Troj, Charlie, Austin, and there, hellie. Like, it's just constant with us. So it's, I mean, I guess it's easier to hide, but everybody's very active. So this is kind of a dumb, maybe a bad question, but obviously we're all Americans. We were rooting for Team USA in the World Cup, but is there a small party that's like, yeah, they couldn't do the thing we could do? Not at all. No, we would definitely think that. Yeah, I'd be like, yeah, we did it, you didn't.

No, it's, it was, I mean, it's just incredible on that stage. I mean, it was an unfortunate last game, but just to see how unified the country was watching them was like just so awesome to be a part of and kind of brought us back to. Yeah, it reminded us a lot of that. Like, I mean, I'm sure not a ton of people were watching the Olympics compared to the end when we were there. And just like each game, it was like each game at US won, it was like double the viewers for the next one and the next one. And that's kind of how we felt going back to Milan. But it's amazing what the world stage and playing for your country will do for the whole country and having success.

And just I keep going back to like it's amazing how that was the first Olympics that NHO players were in since 2014. Like what a shame. Like 12 years not having that. Like it's so unfortunate. But I mean, I guess it was worth the wait for Americans. Do you guys have any advice for the U.S. soccer team? How to be a better American sports team? I love those guys.

I was such a super fan. I was kind of a bandwagon fan because I'm not a huge soccer guy, but... I'm just mad at him. I know that came off really angry. They do need toughness. I am a little bit upset with the team. This is like my view watching them because I was watching the England-Mexico game, the game before.

I couldn't believe how big England's midfielders and defense were. So maybe just a little bit bigger. Get bigger. It's stronger. Yeah, get your weight up. But they were great. And, like, having it in the U.S. was so cool. Yeah.

Like, me and my friends in St. Louis, like, for the three or four games prior, like, we would always go somewhere to watch. And it's just, like, out of, I know the last game was not ideal, but that in itself was a win for the rest of the country, just how important it was for all of us to watch and support, I guess. Yeah. And then the spin zone is that with the whole balligan red card, you guys are kind of like a distant memory with, you know,

Team USA getting involved in politics. that's good yeah right they got all the heat off you guys like oh yeah no nobody it feels like everyone if he wouldn't have came back it would have been controversy if came back i mean

that's just i guess that's sometimes just sports it's all good yeah i'm glad that we can move on from like getting like people asking you guys questions about why did you pick up a phone call like that's that was that was a stupidest news cycle ever yeah yeah um but yeah we we love watching the Olympics this year. The four nations, are we doing that again this year? World Cups in 28. So it's like every two years they have. They have a unique thing that they're

doing at the All-Star game this year. What is that? Three and three tournament for like US, Canada, Finland, Sweden, under, what is it, under 23? Yeah. I just like the All-Star game and hockey, like the traditional one, like the three-on-three and the skills, like, I mean, it wasn't doing that well. Like, it was a hard watch, I think. And then we did the Four Nations and then the Olympics so I think they're kind of rallying around that. I told I think we were talking about it on our pod not so long ago they should just bring all the guys that played like the six forwards, the 3D and hellie. They should just make that the team USA for I'd be more than happy. I'd be more than happy to spend my break sitting on the bench and watching. Yeah, without a doubt.

Wait, so speaking of your pod, wing men, go go subscribe. Do you guys, now that you guys have been doing it for what? Like almost a year, right? Almost a year. Almost a year. Do you have any newfound respect for us. You want to compliment us. We're on 10 years. We talked about it this morning. Probably the hardest thing in the podcast world is scheduling. And just like figuring out, that's why, like,

I'm very happy he's in Florida, not on a team on the West Coast, because that would have been a nightmare. Vegas. That's what he brought up Vegas. That's what I brought up Vegas. I did slip. I did slip. I'm like, I'm just happy he's in Florida. Like, not Vegas would have been tough. Yeah, very, very much

appreciation and you guys are obviously so good at like I mean what you have to say with with different guests too it's like he's right you could always have you always have certain like questions right and then it's like what you can do like off the cuff and like yeah if you don't want to go too far one way and then not talk about what you got to talk about right so definitely a lot of respect for the podcast world especially you boys we did run into I think we're in minute 90 with bellichick and we hadn't asked him a single question about tom Brady yeah yeah I think I was like oh yeah yeah Tom Brady was pretty good, right? He's like, all right, interview's over. Yeah. Yeah. So, so for you, Matthew, what,

actually I saw, Zach showed this to me before we sat down, um, you went up in an F-16? I did. How awesome was that? Insane. Was it crazy? Were they pulling like, that's the most formal I've ever had in my life? Just seen that. It looked awesome. Where were you? And in Ottawa. Not invited? Yeah. In Ottawa. Canada. They don't have F-16s. They have the F-18s. It's not quite as good. It was, it was. Great nose with us. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. authority though. Amazing though. We pulled nine and a half G's for a few seconds, but the hardest one that I did was like seven and a half for probably wrath, the guy flying me, complete legend. I think he said it was like 15 to 20 seconds. And by the end of it, my circle was like this.

And I was seeing light out of this. Everything else was dark. I was like a breath or two away from just passing out. Oh, shit. I never felt like I had to puke except for when he let me fly it. And of course, I'm just like turning at nine o'clock and we're just doing barrel rules in the sky. I'm like, whoa, okay. Wait, he said, you want to take out? You want to take the sticks? No, he just said, plane's yours. See that thing there?

Do you whatever you want with it? So immediately I'm like, bang. Do you think he was just like letting you do it and he was actually, like when you hand a kid in unplug control? Yeah, exactly. Wow, Matthew, you're really good. Yeah. I was not very good.

So I think that's why I definitely knew I was flying. But that was being in control of that plane over the, the water, I mean, so high up, but like you're looking down. It's the ocean. It was, it was a little intimidating, but time of my life, I would love to do it again. You're trying to reenact. Top Gun Maverick. Without a doubt. I'm like breathing like the, the F-16 breath when it wasn't. Didn't even need to. Yeah, just start talking like pilot. Yeah, we're going to be out of the water. Those guys are unreal, though. Like the Thunderbirds, they are top notch at what they do. It's amazing. Like, we were, I flew on Friday with them as they were doing their test run for the air show the

next day. And their winged. are like this far away from each other in certain maneuvers. It's just, it's unreal. Yeah, a lot of credit. Brady, do you think you're getting a video when you go back to Ottawa? Or do you think you're getting booed? I think I'm for sure going to get booed.

Yeah. Are you going to get a video though or no? I don't know. We'll see. We'll see what they got from them. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, are you like thinking about that at all? I feel like they give videos to guys that have been like places for like a year now. I know. Yeah.

I mean, I would think they would. I'm not sure. I don't know what's going to happen, but yeah, hopefully I heard some rummonds that it's early on in the season. Oh, nice. Yeah, that'd be fun to get back. I mean, yeah.

Also, does it make you not feel better, but like you guys lost the hurricanes, the hurricanes were just dominant? I mean, were they just as good as we watched where it's just so hard to beat them? Yeah, I mean, I think what they did so well was just didn't give you any ice. They suffocated.

And that's how I felt all serious, like tried doing whatever. Just they gave you no room to do it. And yeah, I mean, just sucks getting swept. Like just, I mean, everybody can always say you played better than that, but then they got swept. And, you know, I know for myself wasn't good enough. So that was the first time. It was a tough pill to swallow.

Yeah. I got a really dumb question for you guys. When you were little, how long did it take you to spell your name? It feels like something that a kid might not easily pick up on. Yeah. That's a great question. Thank you. I talked way earlier than Brady.

Brady was like a really late time. I'm my own language. Wait, really? Yeah, it's the same. How late? I was speaking gibberish. Until 26. Did you have a name for your language?

No. So did you ever have? Because my son's like that now. He's like just turning to, but he speaks his own language, but I don't want to get in trouble. Wait, did your dad? Did you ever like,

did your parents ever take you to, like the doctor and being like this guy. I went to a speech. What is it? Therapist. Yeah. And I couldn't get my asses right. I was like,

that's normal. Sammy sprinkler. So I got it all dialed in. Love it. Yeah, I still can't. I still can't spell your guys names. I just throw a bunch of vowels. Just T.

There's no consonants in there. That's why I just tell people, don't even look at the T. I just literally when I, when I spell it, I just throw a bunch of K's C's and H's head. Just like somewhere in there. it's going to make sense. Yeah, we got Zach. Zach's going to ask the rowback question.

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Just a wet lunch. We call wet lunch. A couple drinks falling. So all-time guys. All right, Zach, you ready? Yes, sir. Gentlemen, thank you for your time today. Did have a quick question.

Matthew, do you here recently went back to back, Stanley Cups with the Panthers, and then Brady, you coming down to Florida. That kind of brings together the ultimate team chemistry you could have being brothers. Some are speculated you guys could be in like guarantee a championship territory. And I was just curious if you felt the same and if so, if you'd like to declare that here today. Nothing is ever guaranteed. And our team did not have our best year last year at all. And for us to have a chance to get at the top of the mountain, we needed to get some.

somebody like him. So we are a better team now than we were at the end of the season. So all you can ask for is a chance. And I think we got a chance. Brady, you should guarantee it. Really like make yourself feel at home. There's been enough controversy around me in the last little bit. So I need to go a couple weeks without controversy. You got another question? Yeah, quick follow-up. I know you guys make your careers out on the ice. We are here at beautiful Lake Tahoe this weekend. If it's 1V1 head-to-head, we're pivoting the ice melts, swim race. Who's crossing the finish line first? Wow. I think depending on the length of it, I think short distance, I get him, and then he's just, his cardio is as below average as he's going to get. So I think I got him. Yeah, you got me on long distance. Blow my load early. Cardio's a factor. What's going to happen when one of you gets in a fight next year? Are you going to feel like an extra special, like I got to go, I'm going to go defend him? Or is it just teammates? I mean, that's tough because when he fought at Four Nations, I've never been more nervous going into it. I'm like, the last thing I need for him is get knocked out on this stage.

Like, that would just be brutal. But when he was fighting, like, I truly felt like I could fight anybody. Yeah, super straight. Like the adrenaline that I felt, like, seeing him go and, like, seeing. I don't even know all he kept saying was, like, I couldn't speak, again, speak English, but I was like, just fuck yeah for like 20 times. And then, like, once he, you know, fought did great, I was like, I feel like I could take anybody. Yeah.

That was like the same thing with me, though. Like, for mine, like, I was as calm and chill. Like, not calm. I was, like, seeing red. And then for him, I'm like, a little bit, like, you get more nervous when it's not you. Yeah. Now it's my teammate. Is it.

But also, like, is it like the brother, like, you don't want to see your big brother get beat up? And then you got to defend your little brother. Yeah. I think that, I mean, I have a feeling that if somebody's, I mean, he's obviously, like, pretty close to the, he's a light heavyweight. Right. Definitely. In that tier of whatever you are. want to call it. Sneaky called you fat.

Cardio. Two things. John Jones is a light heavy. That's true. That's true. But I have a feeling that like Brady especially early, like he's definitely going to want to like, I don't want to say like show off like everything like the type of player he is. But I think he's going to come out of the gates like as fired up and wanting to like initiate himself in the team.

Burn your stripes. And the best way to do that is being like playing hard, playing physical producing. And then every once in a. while like you got to scrap so i have a feeling like the first time one of the guys on the team gets like hit clean but like maybe hard i have a feeling brady's gonna gonna try to yeah earn his stripes that's a great way yeah that's a great way of putting got to prove it do you guys have a favorite thing to say to someone when you know you want to fight him or you just like you want to go what do you say i think my favorite are the ones you don't say anything it's like you just both

know yeah it's like yeah it's like yeah like you lock guys you like a kiss or fight you have like a Mutuals, just, you know, and I think those are my favorite. Yeah, you can't even explain that. You just both somehow like, don't need to communicate. Both the wires are crossed. It's just, you know, it's happening. It's all. But is there, do people say you want to go?

I love one. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I hear, like, let's go. Yeah. And then, like, you're not going to say no because then you want to look like, no, it depends who it is.

Right. You don't want to be like, no. I mean, you could say that to somebody that's like not good. But, like, if it's fair, trade off or whatever you're like yeah let's go and sometimes you catch them off guard and then all of a sudden your gloves are off i think yan said uh his favorite was just saying you want one yeah you want one you want one want to go let's go let's get the boys going yeah yeah yeah someone says that yeah i think i used that last year oh that's awesome let's get the boys fired up said that with anders lee right yeah yeah and it was

funny because we did it the first time in ottawa and then we played a couple weeks later, like one of our last games of the year for like the playoff push. And then he skates right up to me. He's like, same thing as last time, big boy? He's like, sounds good. Have you ever thought like this is going to get the boys going? And then it absolutely does not get the boys going? I mean, you could argue that that's what happened in playoffs.

Stahl proceeded to win the cons smite. But I mean, my thought was, you know, we're playing against a powerhouse. Yeah. And try to set the tone. but I feel like a fight that doesn't even matter like who wins or loses both teams are either fired up because their guy like won the fight and got everyone going and then the guy that doesn't it's like all right like now we're pissed off right I don't know it's yeah yeah yeah see it's always mutual mutual like uh what do you call it momentum yeah it's also yeah you just you just

decide uh how it affected the game after the game's over like if you win you're like well it's because of the fight. If you lose, you're like, well, we probably shouldn't have fought. Yeah. Monday morning quarterback. Yeah, right. Exactly. I have never played with, and I've never played with someone or played in the situation. Like, I remember playing in Calgary once and we were up three nothing, like early in a game on the road.

And one of the guys in the team got asked to fight and fought him. And it was like awesome. And like, we still won the game. But after that period, guys were like going up to him being like, hey, like, we had the momentum. Like, don't do it. And I'm like, fuck that. Like, that was unreal. Yeah.

I don't care. You should have a respect for the guy. Yeah. I'm like, that was amazing. You didn't get momentum off that? Like, I don't care if we're up three and three nothing and they scored the next show. Yeah.

That was amazing. So, yeah, I think that's looked into more from the outside, like because of results than in the actual locker. You guys have specific guys in the league right now where you're like, there's probably a good chance I'm going to have to fight him. I say more from me than him. Yeah. Who would it be?

I can't be. I can't because I'll see it Someone who's like five You're signing you up for a million fights next year And all of a sudden I'm fighting 82 times a year Here you go

This game, this game, this game Yeah You just got to pick somebody small Yeah Yeah Yeah Could you take Willie? I fought him before

Yeah Yeah He loved him He's he's a great player Yeah I think he's a beast Got a lot of respect for him He's awesome

Yeah I love Are you gonna have to like Go out of your way Because obviously You guys are close Being brothers Are you

Is there going to be like some bit of, I don't want to say like, you know, like we were alluding to earlier, like you want to let your teammates know, like, yeah, he's my brother, we're close, but ultimately, like, this is about us as a team and not just his and my relationship. Yeah, for sure. Like, are your locker's going to be next to each other? No, no, we're spread out a little bit. Like at Olympics, we weren't by each other.

We obviously roomed together that. But, I mean, he's already saying, like, he's like, when I'm down in Florida, like, don't be pissed off one day when I'm golfing with three of the boys. And I'm like, hey, I get it. You lost your spot. Yeah, you lost your spot. But I'm like that's what I'm most excited about. It's like getting in home, building relationships with all these guys that, you know, I know.

But it's going to be, of course, great doing it with him. But he's not, we're not going to be shoulder to shoulder all day, every day. We're going to. Yeah. You guys should shit talk each other. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Just shit talking. All your team is like, damn, they hate each other. I know. I know our teammates at the Olympics thought we were nuts because of like the shit talk. we do to each other, like in cards or in the locker room or whatever it was. They're like these, and like kind of just helps loose everybody.

Yeah. I don't know. It's the boys. I guess also, yeah, you have proof that it works because you want a gold medal. So I think that's why I think that's why we're really excited to because we're had success at the Olympics, proved that we actually played with each other like on the same line there. So prove that work. So just hoping for more success down in Florida because just need another chance of a championship.

Yeah. All right. Golf game's probably going to get better in Florida, too. Yeah. I'll be playing more often than before. So what is the goal for this week? Where do we want to finish this? I know you said you finished what, like 30th?

Yeah, I want to finish. If I can finish, I mean, I look at top third as a goal, but somewhere around, yeah, number, I think there's 90 guys in the tournament, right? Top 30 would be awesome. Yeah. I just want to be positive points. Yeah, you got to be Charles Barkley. I'm strictly looking out for myself.

Yeah. Positive points. It's hard, though. Like, everything in the hole is so tough. Yeah. And, like, staying in it mentally and then you're waiting a lot. Like, it's... Two doubles around.

Yeah. That's where I'm looking at. Dude, we played the course. And I thought you're talking about drinks. Yeah. That's a thing. That's a start. That's a start.

The greens are insane, though. The greens are insane. Yeah. There was a couple holes where it's just like, the hole was on a hill. It was like halfway down the hill. They just do such an amazing, such an amazing job. Like, this course is an incredible shape. It's the best place like on Earth.

The sun is always shining. It's nuts. So, all right. Thank you, boys. Everyone subscribe to the podcast. And we'll have you in the office when you come to Chicago this year. I love that. Yeah.

Show him around. I want him to do the. The gauntlet? Yeah, the gauntlet. What was I? Not last year. It was the year before. Oh, because I got was hurt last year.

Yeah. The year before he came by. What's out? What are the gauntlet, like, sports? It's cornhole, soccer. baseball, football, three-point shot, three-point shot trivia. Maybe we've got to add hockey for you guys. Trivia.

Yeah. Trivia's not going to be strong. That's where they got me. No. They got me. I've got you dialing with trivia. We've had some, listen, we've had some, we had, I think at one point we had some guys from the Detroit Tigers come in, and one of the questions was, like, named the six biggest

cat species, and he just didn't get tigers. And it was just like, what the fuck, dude? So, yeah, that happens to you guys. You don't get Panthers out of that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, all right.

Well, thanks, boys. Appreciate it. Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest. We are live for the American Century Championship. It is Taylor Twelman, and he's going to talk some soccer with us. We also were just talking to. Do we have to? Yeah, we have to.

Okay, we have to. All right, let's just rip the Band-Aid off. We already taped some of the podcast. And here's where I'm at with U.S. soccer. PFT's in a little bit of a different spot. PFT's, he came. cares maybe a little bit more invested a little more. I love watching them.

Yep. I love, you know, getting behind my country. I'm now at a point where I just think we suck at soccer and that's okay. Yep. And that's okay. And it's not like we suck we're the worst team in the world. It's we suck relative to the big boys where it's like, hey, the levels to this are insane and watching us get absolutely embarrassed by Belgium who is not, they're not a top five team.

No chance. And that's not being disrespectful to Belgium, but they're not. Right. So I'm going to root for them every time they're in the World Cup. Every time we're in a big game, I'm going to root for them. Belgium or the U.S. The U.S. But I'm also going to just go into it being like, hey, you know what?

Soccer's not our sport, so it's okay. Like we're going to get to the round of 16. We're going to lose. And then I'm going to be like, okay. I feel like this is an AA meeting. Yeah. This is going. The end to your point, like it's, yeah, it's, it goes against.

us as American to accept that we're not even in the top three or four. Right. You know, like hockey, we're, you know what I mean? It's big to win the gold medal. We all celebrated it because it's not a given.

We're not number one, but we're in the conversation. Right. We have a seat at the table. Yeah. It's very difficult for us as Americans just to look at the men's program and say, wow, man, we can't get in the final eight.

Right. We can't. Right. Like, really? In our own country, yeah, in our own tournament. I know. At Seattle, yeah. That's going to be the most difficult part for me, and I wasn't on the field.

That has to be the most difficult part for them as well to look back five years, 10 years. Unless 2030 they do this miraculous run and they use it for motivation, but they'll still always go, what the hell happened in Seattle? Right. us three were together watching the game. Yeah. Five minutes in, all three of us, including Marty Fish, who was with us, looked at each other and said, what is going on? Why are we so slow in trouble?

Why are we sluggish? Why do we look like we're running in quicksand? It was our first goal. Oh, my God. Hey, someone go step up. Even before that first goal where, I mean, we had, Freeze made a spectacular. Matt Freeze had to make an unbelievable save. Otherwise, it was one nil, two minutes in.

Right. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's, to me, I keep going back and forth because I was, I was very upset yesterday. I stormed out of the restaurant afterwards. I know. What an Irish exit that was. I looked around going, yeah, we're, oh, well, it was, it was, can I just tell real quick, it was very funny because we, we independently, you were with your family and Marty Fish and his family. We were all of us together.

We watched the game together. Then independently, we all just went to the same ice cream place. Yes. Yeah. But we get to the ice cream place and you turn to your wife and you're like, just order me something. I got to make a video. And I look over, like, across the street and you're like, underneath a tree. just ranting into your phone.

I was like, oh, geez, that's right. It was so cathartic. It was sports center in Yahoo. I did two hits. And I look, you know, I'm like hats disheveled to the side. I look like I'm 14 beers deep. May or may not have been. Yeah, that's a tough one.

Here's the thing that's, it just, it sucks. Yeah. It really sucks. I go back and forth between the sky is falling, just mostly because I'm still pissed off about it. And then in my calmer moments, I think to myself, we played some really good soccer in this World Cup, objectively good entertaining soccer that we've never seen the United States do before.

In what game other than Paraguay? Paraguay, I thought that we were good against Australia as well. I thought that first half against Australia. But my generation would have won that game against Australia in the same manner. Yeah. Most likely. And Bosnia, we would have won that game too, because it wasn't like this free-flowing attacking.

I'm putting this seated. I don't know if we did. Like I think Paraguay was really high level. Yeah. Sure. But 2002, we were beating Figo and Portugal 3-0 20 minutes in. Yeah. So I don't know.

I don't know that answer. Is Paraguay an anomaly? Is that the barometer? But I thought Portugal in 2002 was the barometer. And then we flamed out in 2006. I don't know this answer. Right. Portugal, 2002, we did.

There was a lucky goal in that one too. But you make your own luck. we were attacking and the team, I guess the team that I saw... Yeah, we had an own goal against Parabai. It's true. The team that I saw attacking in like group stage and against Bosnia, I feel like that's a different style of soccer,

like more aggressive. It gave me more reason to be optimistic about the future of the U.S. men's national team. And then what was so, so shitty about the game last night was just the lack of days of cold nature. They looked like they didn't care. And to me... It looked like the moment was too big.

I think it was, yeah, a combination of like they just... Because I think they cared. I think all three of us. I know what you're saying. No, the lights were too bright, though. They looked like they were afraid to, you know, play the same style of soccer that they were playing before. But let me throw something out. I firmly believe I'm not, let me say this, do you think the Balagan news less than 36 hours before kickoff threw off the entire thing?

A little bit. I think it did. And I think it probably gave Belgian bulletin board material, too. Oh, no doubt. Like it is truly us. The gold celebrations after them. They're going like this to, they're waving their hands.

They're putting in their hair and saying they, they knew there was too much talking. Well, and there's also, it's the vibes of the story going into the game is like, we lost our best player on a bad red card. We're the underdogs, the feel good story.

And then it completely flips to the, you know, America's the bad guys and everything is. Yes. Yeah, I think it definitely had something to do with it. I also, you obviously know soccer so,

so well. The Paraguay game. is that also game flow? Because Paraguay, you saw what they did against Germany where it's like what they want to do is they want to squeeze you to death. They want to play defense. They want to make it a 1-0-0 game,

a 0-0 game. Us scoring so quickly, it's like, well, now they have to play our game. Absolutely. Now, it's a great observation. And that's where I think you're going with what your comment is about the sky isn't falling.

Paraguay just wants to squeeze you. That's all they did in qualifying. They only give up six goals. And that's Brazil, Colombia, Argentina, Bolivia, all Ecuador, all of these Southhood, that's amazing. The United States punched them in the face.

They couldn't recover. So game flow, it's a great observation, and that's what you're talking about. What I'm saying is, though, that wasn't sustained because Australia, solid win. But no generation before them doesn't win that game. Right. It's the same type of game that we usually use to win.

Fight them, work hard, do this. But Paraguay, there was an energy to the game that Paraguay was completely stone-faced, like, who is this? The fact that they couldn't really do that against Bosnia raised my alarm bells a little bit against Belgium because I was like, hang on a minute, right? This is in San Francisco, a home game.

Bosnia has no real chance of attacking where Paraguay did have a little bit more of that. I'm not saying the sky is falling, but I feel like I do this every four years. Yeah, yep. And then we do the conversation about Sosda. soccer being too expensive and all this stuff. It's like the rinse and repeat.

You're like, dude, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over. I said that earlier in the podcast. Yeah. And it's like, and again, it's not like I'm rooting against the U.S. I want us to do well, but it's okay to just kind of put your hands up and be like, hey, we're always going to be the fourth or fifth sport. And it's never going to be a priority as a country to be the best at soccer. And this is what the result is going to be.

And that's why I think the loss. in the manner that they did is so heartbreaking. Yeah, right. Because I do believe, and I've said this the entire tournament, if they got to that quarterfinal to play Spain, I think this country all of a sudden something clicks. And then you're the underdog. No one expects you to do anything.

And then you're kind of more free. Right. The expectation level was overwhelming for this group. And majority of that group plays at high level competition in Europe. That is the biggest surprise for me. Yeah. That is the big. When you're playing in Syria, the Bundes League,

and the Premier League and all this. That round of 16 game, the whole reason 12 years ago when we lost to Belgium, we were talking about how do you get more experience of playing high level competition? Guys, this generation has that.

They had a worse result. Yeah. They had a worst game. That's the heartbreaking and disingenuous feeling that I have of going like, do we even, do we know what we're doing? Yeah. So we were favorites in that game too,

which is crazy against Belgium. game like this time around. Yeah, but didn't you before the game? And I don't think that we should be favored. Oh, man, I did. Oh, no, I bet so much. I did.

I did. I bet on them too. But if I'm being objective, like, we have never proven that like, that's kind of uncharted territory for us to. True, but you've got to think of what Vegas is looking at. Yeah.

They just played Senegal. Senegal completely outplayed them. Yep. U.S. beat Senegal. They're at home. Belgium played 30 extra minutes. 30 extra minutes, which, by the way, DeBrona didn't even play. Right.

Doku's off the bench. Lukaku's off the bench. It was brilliant from Rudy Garcia to play his youngest squad. Because I went into the game saying, in the group states, Belgium was the fourth oldest team in the World Cup. Not Noranda 16 games. Different team. They played a completely different team. They were running.

They were fighting. They were motivated. But I know what you're trying. I know what you're saying. Like, we weren't favored 70-30, but I thought we were at least 64. 50, 55, 45. Yeah. Because of home field, because of the way the group stage, our road's been easy.

It was an easy road. Belgium was playing Egypt and other teams, we weren't. Yep. That game 2014 against Belgium, that was, so in that game, like, we came away from that feeling a lot better about U.S. soccer as a program, I think, than we are right now, which is I am kind of in, like, sky is falling. Do you think that that Poach is, he's proven that what he's tried to do? is worthy of giving him another shot,

try it again four years, or do you think that we should go in a different direction? Yeah, he didn't get enough time. So no matter, I, in my opinion, in order to fully observe and I would say objectively critique a national team, international manager,

you have to have a full two years. He didn't even get that. So to answer your question, if Poch wants to come back, then he, in my opinion, I want to see that. I'm going to see four years with them. Keep in mind,

they've got to now qualify. See, the problem with this whole thing was the last three and a half years felt like a waste. Yeah, yeah. Cop America was a complete debacle. There's no World Cup qualifying. The friendlies are hitter there. Gold Cup, you got your star players asking not to come in because they need a mental break. That's another thing we should talk about.

And we should. But so to answer your question very shortly, yeah, if Potch wants to come back, sure. But knowing him, getting to know him, he is an everyday grind kind of guy. He's a club manager. so I don't know if this result leaves a real negative taste in his mouth that he doesn't want to do it or does it motivate him and say give me four years four years with this group and then let me see what I can do yeah okay that's a fair answer I now to to your earlier point that you alluded to like yellich yelich seems and if you really need mental health breaks people should take those mental health breaks

and you should take that space if you need it but it does seem that yelich has not he doesn't have a passion for playing for the United States. It doesn't, for whatever reason, he doesn't ever seem like he's talking Pulisic or no? I'm sorry. You said Yelich. Yelich, I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, Pulis. Yelish plays for the Brewers.

Yeah, I mixed. No, that'd be amazing. If he ever wins around him. If you want to do that discussion, too, I could go on one of all these, only of our best athletes played. Okay. I got my Croatians mixed up. But Pulisic, yeah.

So he takes some time off. It doesn't, it never felt to me like he has the passion to play for. the United States and it doesn't get him excited for whatever reason and he's been anointed as being Captain America. We've talked about it, how he's like the future face of United States soccer. And it seems like it's just not working out. Like at what point do you say if you're, you know, in charge of putting together the final roster, like you might be a very talented player, but we need guys that are going to demonstrate a passion for this and are going to be leaders to get everybody else fully invested. And it seems like you might not be that guy.

Yeah, it The general media is asking a lot of questions of Polisic now, aren't they? And Yelish, yeah. Yeah, and Yelish, too. He has to answer to the ball. I'm not letting him off the hook for this, yeah. I agree. Yelish, it's your fault we lost to Belgium.

Listen, I was there when Christian was, I called this first game. I was introduced to him. I've gotten to know him. Failing to qualify for the 2018 World Cup really hurt Christian Polisic. and I think that has changed the trajectory of him with the national team. You will never hear me say that he doesn't care playing for the red, white, and blue. I know he does. The problem is he doesn't want to be that guy.

Right. He doesn't. He thrives when he's your third attacker for Milan. And then he's one of the best. Right. But what we're not talking about is none of us can be surprised that Polisic had a bad World Cup when from January 1st to the beginning of World Cup camp, he had zero gold contributions.

After six months where he led Syria on gold contributions, that is 180 degrees difference. That is black and white. That is completely opposite. So I don't know what happened. We know publicly that he broke up with his longtime girlfriend. I don't know if that's it. If personally he's going through something,

if he's tangling with, do I go back to England? Because Tottenham and Manchester United and these teams are sniffing, do I go to MLS? Because there's three MLS teams that are willing off from 60, 70 million to go back. So I don't know, but the last six months for Christian Polisic were opposite of what Balligan was. And so coming into the World Cup, I thought the Senegal game would just bring it back to him. And it would come. And the injury in the Paraguay game really scared.

It looked like it scared him. Yeah. It did, didn't it? Like it just looked like he lost his mojo. Yeah. Because of 45 minutes against Paraguay, he was really good. Yeah. He was creating every time he touched the ball.

He was unbelievably good. Even without the ball, his runs were awesome. Yeah, this one's weird. Yeah. It's weird. And he's going to have to ask and deal with that. Listen, when you're put on the mantle, it is what it is. Yeah.

And you're judged by in critical moments in big games. Yeah, that's a tough one. The only thing I'll say about Christian Polisic against Belgium is he was not the one that didn't deliver that plays at a big club and that should have been at a higher level. He wasn't, but he didn't do what he needed to do. And that's where this one becomes really interesting. He's got a, he's got a target on his back now. Yeah, yeah. The Gold Cup thing, can I, can I just say something? Because I wasn't with you guys and we didn't talk about it. I just don't understand why the messaging and how he portrayed it to the public. That was really

mismanaged. Yeah, he needs, he needs just a friend to run stuff by. Because whenever he gives an he's like, yeah, you know, it's just another tournament. We're talking about like the World Cup. It's like you got, if you're, if you're doing an interview, if you're talking to at least put on a face and act like you really truly. I'm so glad you brought up that comment. By the way, everyone in the world, if you got a half a brain, we know it's not just their tournament.

Right. So that actually told me he's nervous about the tournament. There's pressure. See, see, I've always been told embrace the pressure because it almost takes your anxiety down and you're like, yeah, man, this is a big tournament. Yeah. This is the World Cup. What do you want me to do?

I'm going to do my best. It's just another tournament trying to play. Then after the game, weird comment about the ankle. Yeah, you know, I just, I kind of sprained my ankle. Christian, you came out of a World Cup game down. Right, yeah. It can't just be an ankle. It can't.

Right. Yeah. Not to the fans, not to your teammates, not to anyone. It can't. So I couldn't agree with you more. The messaging, it's a little weird. Yeah. It's all strange.

We can zoom out, talk a little bit more about soccer. as a whole and the World Cup as a whole. Today, what happened with Argentina? Are you messy or Ronaldo guy? Messy. All right. All right. We can proceed.

Yeah. Just absolutely insane. People are going to be upset about the VAR being used to, they brought it into like a hundred yards of one. It was one of the best goals I've ever seen. Like it was. It was unbelievable. Absolutely.

For those of you listening and watching, you got to go watch it. Yeah. The guard that was, the goal that was taken back was unbelievable. At what point. Does FIFA step in and say, like, hey, VAR is a great tool. Well, let me. But it's like we're, we're losing control of Skynet right now. Let me ask you guys.

Because I'm going to reverse it, but same topic. Does it drive you nuts the way American football has turned into regarding the catch? Yes. Yes, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. What are we doing? Here's what I don't understand about VAR.

And you can tell me this is the dumbest thing ever for soccer. I get it. Offsides. You need the rule. Everyone's like, oh, there should be no offsides. why can't it just be where your feet are? Yeah. Like the thing that drives me nuts is when it's like an off sides

and the guy's feet are completely on side. But it's his shoulder. But his shoulder or his arm or like his hand is dangling. That has no outcome. The spirit of the rule is you can't get behind the defender. If your elbow is behind the defender, that does not change how you're playing soccer. Big Cat, I could not agree with you more.

And I bet you a million dollars that after this World Cup, there will be real consideration of Arson Venger and his idea of offside of being daylight. I like that. I like that. Because what bothers me and we can thank the Premier League for ruining VAR, my pinky was offside. Missed me with us. Like what are we doing? Lukako's dick was off. That actually did. I was actually going to say it's like circumcising mosquito right now with what we're doing. It's like really where are we going with this? Yeah. The Croatian goal was bullshit. Like that That was, that's just spirit of the sport. He was not, it did, if it glanced, watch that goal.

Okay. And we have six eyeballs. I still have not seen the ball turn differently. Right. But the chip in the ball said it hit his hair. Right. And it's spiked up and you're like, I watch the video with my eyes. I don't see it.

I hope far has been exposed for certain things. And I wish American football. This, Des Ryan, complete the catch thing. Guys, I don't. Well, you know what it is? I was saying what it was like. It was that one year that after the Saints, Rams, NFC championship game, where they're like, yeah, we're going to make pass interference reviewable.

It's like, why? This is going to be brutal. It's a bad watch. Now, we all know gambling is more than likely the reason behind it. VAR is really, really important for 2010. Frank Lampart scored a goal for England. Ball hit underside of the bar, went all the way completely behind the line. ref and linesman didn't see it

goal doesn't count that is why we need var we need var to expose offside we need to change the offside law the red cards whoa this tournament's been really interesting to me because in MLS

we don't have this dissecting certain things it's got to be clear and obvious for you to rescind something or give something and I think this tournament exposed it. I just hope FIFA doesn't bury their head in the sand and say, no, it's fine. It is what it is. It's also like they're being a ref is hard. The human element should be part of,

it should be part of the game. You know what I mean? Where it's like you can't review every little play. So I'm a massive St. Louis cards fans, right? 1985 World Series. Yeah. God bless his soul. Yeah. Like that umpire of that moment like it's a human element. Right. Part of, you know what? Nowadays, we would have is it crazy to say there should be two refs that's a lot of ground for one ref to cover like i know they're running a diagonal system and all that so they're trying to get the assistant referees you know in one corner you got the assistant help you out over here but like that's a big ass field i feel like we could have two and in basketball we have multiple revs and football we've got like half the guys on the field are referees well no the soccer purist would tell you right now well we have three refs and you're

like whoa whoa whoa whoa hang on a minute the assistant their goal in the game, they go into the game, making sure they're in line with the last defender, their whole goal is offside. That's all they care about, right? Adding a second ref,

and each ref does each half, okay? There's an intriguing part to that because you can then say, well, the ref goes against the attacking team, one half, defending team the other half. So there's going to be no like playing favorites

or anything like that. Right. I think there's value to it. Now, there's not value to it. I would argue against myself on the point is, well, VAR is supposed to protect that. My issue is this. If you have VAR or instant replay in any sport and you still can't get calls right, we've got a problem.

Yeah. We've got a problem. You're over-officiating. If you referee everything to the letter of the law, if you had VAR in NFL and everything was up to this, like, Sky Judge, you could call a penalty for holding on that. No, they'd be holding on every single play. You have to let them play at some point. It's the NBA when we, they've started to get a little bit out of it,

but like the fact that we would just spend five minutes seeing if it glanced off someone's pinky. And it's like, just call it. Just call it. Yeah. Call the game. All that said, this World Cup has been awesome. So I know that we've just basically been saying all the things that we're frustrated about right now. But it's been an incredible world.

But I'd argue the last 30 minutes we just talked is growth of this thing. Yeah. I do think, listen, you guys and your listeners and your viewers, they intelligently talk the game now. Yeah. Yeah, maybe. We say a lot of dump stuff, dude. I say dumb stuff and I'm supposed to be an expert.

It happened. But my point is, it is more mainstream than we've ever had it. In the conversation, in the discussion, I got in a massive argument. TSA pre-agent was so upset about a VAR call in a Morocco game. And he wouldn't let me go by him. I was like, dude, my flight leaves in 20 minutes.

You're right. And secretly I got on the plane. I was like, that was the cool thing. No, because if you have people complaining about stuff, that means they care. It works. Like, if they don't complain, then they're just not watching and they don't care. Yeah, even though like half the country's lost their mind about the whole Caitlin Clark thing, we're talking about the WMBA way more.

So, like, I do think, yeah, there's like people pulling you aside. They have lost their brains on Caitlin Clark thing. It's crazy. What are we? It's crazy. It's crazy. So we're, uh, oh my God. You're loving the World Cup.

I'm loving the penalty kicks. I love, we, Big Cat and I both love the penalty shootout. Okay, so I got a question for both here. Yeah. Okay. Would you rather be the goalie or the taker? Taker. Taker.

I'd bury it every time. Perfect. I just wanted that sound bite. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And which number penalty would you want to take? I want to go first.

I'd want to go third. Okay. Why first? Because I want to set the tone. I like that. Why third? Because you're like kind of, kind of somewhere in there where people don't really remember if you may, like, there's still time left. But also it could be a significant one.

I would not want to be first or fifth. Absolutely not. So the story is, and I want to keep this going, because I think your listeners will appreciate it. The story is your best penalty taker always takes one. And I always wondered, okay, but any kind of sports psychologist would tell you, the biggest you know what,

and the guy that wants the pressure is four or five. Yeah. Yeah. Because that person needs. Yeah, it's a high leverage. It's like a reliever. Those are the levered spots. I mean, I don't know.

But one sets the tone, always has, always well. I'm not a math guy, but I feel like it's like in baseball, you want your best hitter to lead off, right? I know that traditionally in baseball it's been a little bit different where you've had your best hitters hitting three, four. Did you know right now there's only 18 guys in major leagues that are hitting over 275? I saw a clip the other day on Instagram. This is a side tangent. I saw a clip the other day where it was just introducing the NL All-Star team from like 99. Every guy was hitting like 360.

It was so nuts to see. It was like, it was jarring. Right now would be a pinch hitter. Yeah, it was jarring to see. Which crazy is like in the penalties with Germany, they were having discussions about who's going to take the next one. I feel like that's something that they should have probably sorted out. Guys, we had three legit players for them declined to take a penalty.

Yeah, that's crazy. How does that happen? I don't know. I don't know. I've lived this. I'd make sure I declined well in advance. So take me out of the game. And that's, so that's, no, but we're laughing.

Yeah. But Dan brings up your point. Shouldn't you have already talked about this in training? Correct. Yeah, right? But you make subs, things happen. All I'm going to say is, and I lived it. I lived it in 2006 MLS Cup.

We had two players, two really good players, say they didn't want to take a penalty. That's crazy. And I sat there and I was like, and it really, guys, it truly made me one of the most mad I've ever been. Because I have so much more respect for you. If you raise your hand, you want to take it, you miss it. You will always, I will always get your back. For sure. Because you stepped up.

But you don't want to take it. So now every time you think of that, those three Germans. Yeah. So then Jonathan Ta, who apparently, full disclosure from his teammates, raised his hand, goes, I'll 100% take one. Well, good. I want my guy to take one. Yeah.

Now it's one of the worst penalties I've ever seen. Yeah. Yeah. How does that happen, by the way? How do you sky it? It's unreal. How do you hit it that? It would just happen with Columbia and Switzerland.

Like, I don't understand how you missed a goal that bad. Last year at the American Century Championship, I have an eagle chip. Never, ever have I bladed it in my life. Yeah. And I skull, you know what the hell out of that ball. Across the green to the other side, I look at my getting, it's pressure.

Yeah. Jonathan Todd's probably taking 100 penalties in his life and never hit one over the goal. It comes now to the round of 32. He's got to make it to stay, and he hits it literally. Adam Vinatieri hadn't kicked the ball that high. Right.

Like he legitimately, hit that 30 rows into the stands. I just don't understand. I guess the part I don't understand. Pressure makes sense. But like, these guys are so good. If you just put it in low, low corner, high corner, like, it's almost impossible to hit it.

I think if you just hit it really strong. Yeah. The goalie's got to really come up with a big save. Right. They have to guess right. But I took a penalty once. It was in Dortmund and it's called the yellow wall. And behind the goal, it's 30,000, 35,000.

And everybody's dressed in yellow. yellow. That goal, that is a big goal when I'm there for practice, that goal looked at this small. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I just think pressure makes it and everything comes in. The other part is Paraguay goalie on cleats, he's 610. With cleats on, he's 610. Yeah. So then he goes like this and Jonathan probably looks at the goal and says, where the hell am I going? Where am I going with this thing? Yeah. Yeah. Messy got one saved on him today. Messies. Messies four penalties in the World Cup. He's not a great penalty in this career. Yeah. No, he's not a great one.

ever take the old MLS style penalty where it was like the shootout thing where you dribbling my head is so long I would have been like a bobblehead and tripped over my own feet. I would love to do that in our All-Star game. Yeah. I'd love to see the current players try to do that. Yeah. That was a wild time. Dude.

You got five seconds. The whistle blows. The goalie can bum rush you. Yeah. And you got five seconds to shoot it. Yeah. What, uh, so messy. I mean, it's insane what he's doing.

Guys, it's unreal. People were, I saw a clip. go viral a couple weeks ago where the announcer was saying this is probably his last World Cup in 2018 they were saying that. He's won a World Cup and he's leading the goal scores in this year's

World Cup. Like what is it just that he's like because his game was never about athleticism that he's able to do it this late? Like where it's just it's always been his touch his the way he sees the game, the angles like is that why he's able to do it? His brain is next level. I will tell you this

because it's been a true pleasure to follow him and I've done 80 some odd percent of his games in MLS within her Miami and I'll tell you there's two things that stand out to me I've never seen anyone more competitive like he is he's accomplished everything in his life and he's going up against the Colorado rapids and he wants to beat their brains right like legitimately embarrass them so I'm sitting there thinking this guy's different way different the other part is and everybody talks about it he walks a lot yeah he walks with such a purpose, it really screws the opposition's brains. Right.

So they're like, he's still walking. And then all of a sudden he's floating around. And you know, I made this analogy. It's kind of a weird one, but I'm going to go with it. You know when you're sitting on a summer night in the lake and the lake water's really still, and there's this fly that bounces off the water. If you think about Messi's career, he's never really been tackled that hard. Yeah.

If you think about it, he's never been like Barcelona, Argentina, even Miami. he's got such a sixth seven cents of where everybody else is that he dodges a lot of trouble yeah like look at that right he didn't score today against egypt but that run he went through no he did score no i'm saying he didn't score on the one yeah yeah dude it was unbelievable yeah and i'm like he's 39 yeah it's not unreal but he's the most competitive guy i've ever met all right so i got a question off that uh holland has been insane he's a breakout star i think a lot of people who watched EBL obviously knew who he was. Yeah, but the general public did, so you're 100%

right. But he does the same thing where he's walking. That clip is so cool. If you haven't seen it, his goal, his header goal against Brazil, where he actually looks like he's disinterested in the game, like looks down while the ball is being played to the side. Heavy breathing. Yeah. And he was setting up the defender. And then it's just, it's just boom out of nowhere. He's now sprinting to a spot, heading the ball in. What, is that like how is that work?

I don't understand how guys are able to do that. First off, Big Bear, great question. When I was 21, England Great, played in the World Cup in 82. He was our assistant coach with the revs. His name was Paul Mariner. He looked at me and goes,

you run too much. I was playing number nine. And I'm thinking, you know, first off, I think my shit doesn't stink. I just literally scored 30 goals the year before. I'm like, what are you talking about? I'm buzzing around. I'm going to run everybody at death.

He goes, you run too much. so we would watch tape and he would show me guys the highest level that they float they they would bait the defender so holling and messy are two different completely play two completely different players but they're doing the same thing in the opposition they want to low you to sleep they want to just get there and then when they have to turn it on that defender it's no different than a cornerback in the NFL he's going to be caught flat-footed right because he's slowing down And Holland does it brilliantly. And the clip's unbelievable. I put it on my Instagram because it's so focused on him and he's walking and the defender's doing this. And the defender goes like this and he's gone. Yeah. So even I was told at 22, 23, dude, stop running because it's easier for a defender to react because you're buzzing and he just follows you.

Yeah. You got to get him to stop and then go. Just separation. Yes. Now, Messi at his heyday was the quickest player on the field, hands down. He was. When I played against him, he was wearing, I think he wasn't even wearing 10 yet for Argentina. It was 2007 Copa America, and he had this aura around him.

But what I noticed, and he was what, 18, 19 at the time, what I noticed was the moment he wanted to turn it on, he blew by it in two or three seconds. Right. Erling Holland and Mboppe over 60, 70 yards, they cannot. They cannot run. And that's why when Americans go, well, the best athletes, dude, our sport, like, we've got really good athletes. Chris Richards is an absolute stud of an athlete. It's more than that. Oh, yeah.

Well, I mean, Holland's a perfect example. He's an incredible athlete, but it's the fact, like, the art of finishing a goal, like, that takes, like, Harry Kane is the same way. Yeah, Harry Kane's like, okay, he's not, you know, the best player. He's not, like, lighting it up athletically wise, but he can, he knows how to put the ball in the back of the net.

It's a craft. Yeah. It really is a craft. Do you think, if I were to give you odds on, France or the field at this point. Who are you taking? France. I would have taken France before the tournament.

They're so good. And they're so deep. They could have three teams in the World Cup and all three would be in the round of 16. Yeah. They're that good. What is it about? They do an unbelievable job developing their...

So if you look at the Senegalese, Algeria, Morocco, France. If you look at all of those players in this World Cup, France had a touch. And like, I want to say 80%. It might be a little less. on all of them in development. Wow. So there's something about France

where they develop the masses and then they throw their fishing net out and see who wants to come and then the other ones go play for other countries. We got to start doing that. Dude, we got to do it more. You're 100% correct. Yeah.

I'm telling you there's some value to thinking, let's just develop everybody in the United States. Yeah. And if they want to go play for Bosnia or Mexico, so what? But at least it gives us the better odds of having three West and McKinney's. France is insane.

You think about Zinidine Zidon could have played for Algeria. His son is playing goalkeeper for Algeria. They just, their development is they are as athletic as any team in the world, maybe more athletic, but tactically and technique-wise, they're the next level. I did it. I wrote the list out. Top 10 best attacking players in the world, France has three of them. It's crazy.

Olise, Dembele, and Mbapé. And you could argue, Olisei is probably top six. So they have three of the top six. It's insane. Yeah. They've been dominant. So if it's not France, who would it be?

I think we're going to a repeat, guys. I do. I think it's France against Argentina. Really? I think France will play in their third straight World Cup, which is, I think only Brazil was Zico did it. Maybe, maybe Italy. I'm not positive.

And then I think Messi in Argentina is just, I just think the stars are aligned. Cape Verde, Egypt, I just feel like they're finding ways to get out of it. But when they meet in the final against France, I just feel like France is going to be a difficult test for them. Yeah. I mean, that would be an insane.

I mean, Argentina now plays Switzerland. Yeah. Right. Switzerland to beat Columbia on penalties, that's a little bit of an upset. Columbia should have won that game. They didn't. It's just like Argentina kind of has this field set up where it's like,

boom, we're in the final. Yeah. And then with Brazil. But what's wrong with Brazil? They lost their aura. Yeah, how? I was in the building, I was in the building 2014. They lost to Germany, 7-1 at home.

That was it? You would have thought it was the funeral of the entire nation. Yeah. 7-1, guys. So there used to be this feeling, and I played against Brazil, I'm going to say three or four times. When you walked out and you saw yellow, blue, and white, you immediately needed to change your underwear. Because you're like, I'm going to be running my ass off defending this entire game. They were, they, they, they were, they were, they're them.

Right. Dude, they haven't had that since 14. No. None of it. They don't play beautiful anymore. No, they play scared. Yeah. They play Samba music in the stadium and I'm watching a team.

They had 38% possession and lost to Norway. Yeah. Okay. Statistically, since that's that, that's the lowest Brazil's ever had in a World Cup knockout round game. And they were scared. They had chances that. Of course, I mean, they miss penalties. all that, but still, you're Brazil.

Samba meant you knock it around, you move around. Oh, it drives me. It's a loss for the world game. I'm going to tell you that right now. Because they're the number one country in the world in exporting professional players. Still to this day, there's no country that produces professional players like Brazil, but they don't have any of that

what we used to love. The swag. It's boring. So can you, if you were to just kind of map out how the next couple weeks are going to look, what is going to be the heartbreaking moment? for England. Mm.

Because you, you kind of said it earlier. It doesn't sound like it's coming home. I was rooting for them against Mexico because I thought it was too early for them to be out. I wanted them to be out later. And I hate Mexico. Yeah,

right, but I was like, this just feels the round of 16 and America. They were awesome. Like, that doesn't feel right for English heartbreak. No,

no, no, totally. The jadedness of the fan, yeah. They can't lose that. Yeah, they got to lose deeper. Yeah,

they have to, heartbreaking fashion. Totally. They have to fully believe again. And then once at that moment where they fully believe that it's coming home, they will realize that it is not. I mean, right now they're playing Norway in the quarterfinal. Yeah.

There's no way they lose that game, is there? Yeah, that might be it. You know what I mean? It might be it. Think about it. Erling Holland has literally eight every defender in the Premier League's lunch for the last three years for Manson. You might be right.

Yeah. You might be right. Could that be the moment? Yeah. That's it right there. my professional soccer opinion, I don't, I think England beats them. I think they're a better team than Norway overall. I do too.

But Norway's got something going that it's hard to match. And they remind me, yes, they remind me a lot of 94 Sweden. And that team went to the semi-final in 94. There's just, there was an aura with that Swedish team. Norway's got something going right now. They just, and their goalkeeper's been fantastic. He's not getting enough credit because Erling Holland, everything he touches hits the back of the net. Yeah.

But their goalkeeper is brilliant against Brazil. Brilliant. Yeah. All right, Taylor, this has been awesome. I got one last question, rowback question, R-H-O-B-A-C-K-com. promo code take, 20% off your first purchase, Q-Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, roback.com. All right, back to this tournament that you're about to play in,

American Century Championship. Last year, I saw you because I stayed for the weekend, and I saw you on Saturday after your round. You were tied for first. Yep. Can you win it? Win it? Yes.

So what happened on Sunday? Real simple. Whole. give me a minute, hole four. I had a 14 foot eagle punt and it rimmed out. That goes in.

I have a five point lead, four point lead. And Joe, having played with Joe numerous amount of times, Joe's a gamer. Joe could double the first hole like he did last year and he will put his bootstraps on and he'll dig in. But that would have been a nice little

Yeah. Right. And then two holes later, I had eight foot for Bertie and the same thing. It rimmed out and came back to me. And that's when I was like, okay, so you're going to test me this way. Right. The thing I'm most proud about was even after those two holes, I still got to a hole 14 or 15 with a lead. Right.

Then the wheels came off. I shoot one over. Joe shoots three under. Boom. Yeah. It's over. So I just, I hit whatever number of greens I hit. think it was like 48 in a row big bear i just got to make puts yeah i got to make puts i got to

yeah i got to make putts yeah we got to do you guys played this courts the other day it's i think i hit a green you got to you got to you have to make putts yeah you have to you have to you know i mean i hit i i hit my best shot on the par three was eight seven and uh then i four putted he's got a five yes you have to make putts yeah and that's the thing so there's there's about eight nine really good sticks that can flip it up, turn it, turn it up. But again, it's pressure. You've got to show up. And the one thing I haven't done a good enough job is pars are fine. You need them. You're better off making birdies and bogeys if you want to win. But if you want to just compete and be in the final group, make your par shoot two under, one under, whatever it is. But that's where the

Marty Fish is, John Smoltz, like John Smoltz last year, 31 on the back or whatever the number was. Yeah. He just flipped it up. Yeah. Right? So that's what you, honestly, in order to win it, that's what you have to do. All right. Who can win it? So Smoltz, Marty can win it. Joe Pavelsky. Joe Pavlsky. Steph Curry for sure. Who else can win? Jake Owen is a sneaky good stick. Can Romo win it? Romo absolutely can.

Yeah. Romo, and I love you, buddy, but you're probably on the range right now doing a million different exercises. Romo will hit 7,000 balls. But Romo absolutely can. But it just comes down to Sunday who makes putts and who doesn't. And that's really what it comes down to. You cannot win it on Friday, which I've learned, but you can lose it on Friday if you don't just stay the course and make birdies, but make your pars and just get points.

Yeah. No doubles and you stay the course. When do you find out who you're playing with on Friday? honestly I'm so wrapped up at other side I never know but the email email or text comes Thursday okay okay but I asked this year I said if the United States beats Belgium I would really like the first tea time so you might still so I can watch it so I don't know I might have the first tea time and they're like yeah let's just give it to him anyways um because obviously I wanted to watch that game and that would have been read at like 12 so you're the jinks I'm the jinks yeah maybe the stars are lining for you to win this year that's great that's awesome let's not talk about Trump or the president I'm sorry about me. You're the jigs. Taylor 12.

All right. Well, Taylor, boy, this was awesome. We love having you on and best luck this tournament. And yellish sucks.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A piece of shit. You're afraid to compete in the home run derby. Oh, man. Okay, let's wrap it up.

Guys on chill. Henry? This is actually a great one. Yeah. Is it chill to not give a fuck about sports until the playoffs? NFL and college football are my exceptions. I admit I get rock hard

and the pig skins on my TV. But NBA, MLB, college basketball seem like such a drag to watch the regular season. But when playoffs roll around, I get very invested in love the storylines. In conclusion, make regular seasons mean something again. I don't, in the conclusion, I don't, regular seasons, there's just sports where I think it's okay for some people to like watch every game of. But the people that watch every game of every sport, like, that's a lot. I think it's, I enjoy watching the playoffs of like baseball and hockey.

Yeah. I'll watch every playoff game of any team. The regular season, I'm not. not like I just am not a person that's going to be like I'm watching every regular season game. It is it's more fulfilling if you're invested all season and then you're like all right now we're in the play like if you see the ups and downs of a baseball season and then you get to playoffs but yeah I mean getting older and like realizing maturity is like you don't have to watch every single game of every single thing to be like hey I like this sport I like this team also sometimes life

gets in the way like it's it's tough if you want to be like a diehard baseball fan watch every game. You basically have to just, that's all you do in the summertime is like, your schedule revolves around baseball. But there is, there is like, like the, the Cubs, for example, this year are actually hilarious, you know, the most schizophrenic team. I can remember in a long time in the fact that they've had that, they had two 10 game winning streaks. They had a 10 game losing streak. They have last week, they scored 22 runs on Wednesday and then lost 17 to 1 on Friday. it is fun to like experience the absolute roller coaster and get into like a mindset where it's like,

I'm not going to freak out about any result that Cubs have day to day because they're just, they make no sense and that's, that part is actually fun. But like the World Cup, for example, it's chill to just hop on the bandwagon for a couple weeks. And I think in cities and stuff, it's like, yeah,

when your city's team is in the playoffs, it's like, all right, I'm fucking, I'm watching every game in the playoffs. Yeah. I think it's chill. I think it's chill. I've always thought taking a nap on a Saturday, Sunday afternoon with golf on the TV, backgrounds one of ideal nap situations. Wanting to get your take on the perfect nap. Looks like, love to show. You guys are the best.

I mean, yeah, that's the classic nap. We done Mount Rushmore, best naps. I think we might have. I think we have best times to fall asleep. Perfect nap is like early or springtime or fall windows open. game on little fall asleep on the couch get like the fresh air coming in fall asleep and then like it's the really perfect nap is like a Saturday afternoon falling asleep at like maybe a couple minutes left in the first half of the afternoon window and then waking up like halfway through the third quarter and and being like all right let's go like we got you know

25 games finishing right now I also that's a beautiful map I also like the post thanksgiving nap at about like five or six p.m. Had a few glasses of wine. Bellies full right before. Then you wake up and you get the you get the leftover sandwich. That's a pretty good nap too. Windows open though. It's nothing.

Right after a long beach day like day in the sun. Golf. Right after golf. Yeah. But like beach beach and then waking up and it's still like ready for dinner. Yeah. Yeah. But you also have to time it correctly because there's nothing worse than doing the nap where you sleep

too much and you wake up and you're like what fucking time is it? Where am I? I slept too much. It's like that that nice like 20 minute I feel like If I go longer than like 30 minutes I get fucked up The road trip nap is also nice too

Because it feels like you teleported Like oh we've got like three hours and next scene It's all 15 minutes and then we're there Hank loves that one I do My naps now are just like how long can I Those are like those are naps out of necessity like Yeah not really comfort Hank is the best sleeper of all time.

Yeah, by far. I got super seasick on a boat last week, and at one point, we just lost him, and he actually just passed out for like a good 30 minutes of this boat trip. His body just deactivated. Yeah, you're basically my three-year-old. We went on a boat last week,

and my three-year-old just laid down on the floor of the boat and just nap for 20 minutes. There was the Hank move. I thought it was one of those things. He was like, I'm seasick, and then he went to like another part of the boat, and his eyes were closed. obviously because he was sleeping,

but I thought he was like, oh shit, he's really going through it. He like, he like needs to close his eyes. And I talked to him after he's like, oh, no, I was just asleep,

like pass out that entire time. Love that. Love that. Also, my naps now are just how long can I fall asleep until my kids find me. And they always find me fast. What's up, fellas?

I'm 27. I've been playing men's league baseball for last two years. I ran D1 track, but also played football and baseball growing up. My men's league is really competitive, with a lot of former college players

and so organized that they have historical stats going back 20 years. Whoa. I'm closing in on the stolen base record in his season. This league sounds like the worst, by the way. Hold on, though. I want to hear about this because I agree with you, Max, but unless everyone is opted in.

How do I be more chill in men's league? Is there any way to be chill in men's league baseball? Do I go for the record? Anything else? Get in a different league. But in a weird way, If everyone has opted into, like, taking it super seriously and taking and keeping records, then you're signing up. It's the problem with, like, the rec sports is when you show up and there's just one team that's just taking it way more seriously than everyone else.

Like, if these guys are just super hardos and they're like, this is our super hardo league, God bless them. But it sounds like this guy is not bad. He might not. Because the way that he's asking this question, he's like, this is a league that they take way too seriously. And I'm finding myself also taking it too seriously. and I don't like what I'm becoming. And you know what? You're right, buddy.

You don't like what you're becoming. Also, because men's league baseball. Steals and men's. He's got to. But can we all agree he's got to go for the record? Has to go for the record. Has to go to the record. You already are a doucheback.

Get the record. I also, I like that he's acknowledging what he's doing. But he has to get this record. You got to get the record. Because actually, that's actually the least chill thing is to take it so seriously and not get the record. Yeah. Then you're the biggest loser. of all time.

Because at least if you're like, yeah, I take my men's league super seriously. Oh, yeah. And by the way, I'm the Ricky Henderson of the league. Then everyone would be like,

okay, cool. That's, that's sick, dude. Steals in a men's league is like, that's not even something you ever bring up,

even if someone asks you. It would be funny, though, if it went even harder. If this league, like, there was a fantasy league that people could,

like, follow along and have players from this super hardo team and, like, compete against each other. Oh, I got this guy. He's racking up

the, steals this year. I'll never forget that season. Yeah. All right, last one. Bartender here. Any advice on remaining chill behind the bar? Chill levels are high to start the night, but after a few hours, chill levels can be severely depleted as you expect dealing with drunks all night. Everyone loves a chill bartender, so the chiller I am directly correlates the level of tips I get. Help a brother out. Also, I know PFT is just going to say there's an easy solution to this, just get drunk. That's not really an option. So any other ideas would be much appreciated. Okay. That's why. was my suggestion.

Maybe just have, if you just have like some fake whiskey, people like it when you take shots with them at the bar. True. So you can pour yourself like a fake shot when you see a group of people doing a shot, then it looks like you're drinking with them. They'll give you big tips. I like that idea. That's a good idea.

I don't really know what else, like smoke breaks. Use your smoke breaks. Or just smoke wisely. Yeah. Get some cool visors. Yeah, get some cool visors, maybe smoke some weed Do some coke, I don't know I don't really know

Like it's it's a really hard job to be a bartender After like being around drunk people That much by the end of the night Has to be so grading And so like hard to deal with So I think it's really just yeah, get really drunk with them I feel like he's right I feel like we're all also like

like overdosing on gas fumes right now. Yeah, that's fine. I like to smell gas. Yeah. It's pretty good. It's good. It's good. It's really good. All right, you want to do numbers, random generator? Let's do it.

Random number generator. 17. 12. 16. Zach, would you like to make a prediction for how you do tonight on your cooking? Zach is doing our annual. Our annual Zach Grills for the whole. squad night.

How are you feeling? I feel good about it. I got some reps in at this point. I feel like I can put together a decent meal. Yeah, I think you've done it like two or three times, so it's more than an annual. I think twice last time they caught us on a grill that may have had a lot of... Airbnb grill had a lot of stuff at the bottom of it. We had a little bit of a fire.

I'm going to make sure to clean out the grill even better this time so we can avoid flames. Yeah. All right. 50. Ready? 44. 36. 36.

Anyone say 36. you don't want to win these. 36. Yeah, these is Mickey Mouse. Zach, you're bleeding. Yeah, yeah, I was going to. Are you bleeding? After this.

What's happening? I pick up my cuticle sometimes. Same. So I just, I rip one. I would love to help Zach with the, with the meal one of these years.

No. It's better for Zach to just, he can handle it. We could have some, we could have like a real good family meal. He can do this. We could, it would be elevated.

I could do like a pasta salad. All right, fine. I'll let you, I'll say that you, make a pasta salad. You could, You can't go outside. Deal.

All right. You can't go outside. That's fine. You can do anything you want. You're going to make us bread, bread boy? No, I'm bad at making bread. Which is crazy because you make it all the time. Well, according to me.

You love bread. Happy birthday to Robbie Fox. Good guy Robbie Fox and O.J. Simpson. Bad guy, O.J. Simpson. And Alec Ingold. Any missed memes? Trying to find some. Okay.

Striking out memes. Striking out this embarrassing memes. No, memes. You got any? No. That's right. Kevin Bacon. Oh.

Been on the show. Kevin Bacon has been on the show. Good one. Good for him. Love you guys.