Pardon My Take - Michael Davies, Celtics/Sixers Tied 2-2, NBA/NHL Playoffs, Kentucky Derby And The King's Coronation

Episode Date: May 8, 2023

The Celtics/Sixers are tied 2-2 and Max and Hank have swapped their confidence levels going into Game 5 (00:00:00-00:19:25). We talk Warriors/Lakers, the Heat somehow being really good now and Nuggets/Suns with Devin Booker going nuclear the past 2 games (00:19:25-00:51:14). Did the Leafs actually make it to the second round (00:51:14-00:55:35). We talk F1, Kentucky Derby and the King's Coronation with a jam packed weekend of sports (00:55:35-01:06:00). Who's back of the week (01:06:00-01:25:29). TV executive Michael Davies joins the show to talk about Jeopardy Masters, Who wants to be a millionaire, being the Executive Producer of Barstool Van Talk and how everything went down plus Soccer (01:25:29-02:12:29). We finish with the Lottery Ball (02:12:29-02:21:55).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

Hey, pardon my take listeners. You can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. On today's pardon my take, we have Michael Davies, executive producer of Jeopardy Masters. He also created Who Wants to Be a Millionaire in America. He also was the executive producer for Barstool Vantok. So very interesting interview with him.

We talk soccer, we talk Barstool Vantok. He was there. He was front row. He was probably like one of the more inside people for that entire experience. Great interview with him. Also, he's got a British accent. So, you know, it's a great interview.

We're going to talk Celtics Sixers. Two, two. We have other playoff action. Kentucky Derby, F1 in Miami, a great sports weekend, and it's brought to you by our friends at ourselves. Today's pardon my take is brought to you by Barstool Sportsbook. The Barstool Sportsbook is now offering $1,000 bonus for new players.

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Oh, we're going to rock it down to electric avenue and then we'll take it higher. Welcome to part of my take. Today is Monday, May 8th, and the Philadelphia 76ers and Boston Celtics are tied 2-2. It's the best of three now. Best of three after an incredible, incredibly entertaining game for up and down. You guys, Max and Hank watched it together in the gambling cave. Told them to save all their takes for after so that we could have it on the show

fresh. It looks like they've simmered down a little. I'll start with one. Hank's got bad body language throughout the entire game. I'm wondering if that has anything to do with the Celtics performance. He's got a bad scowl on his face. He's got bad body language. Hank is the first with the most insulting looks that he serves after a win. And then after a loss, his face just does what the rest of his body does,

which is he just goes radio silent and won't address it. Yes. But Hank, you looked like you were going through it at the end. There was actually a very funny screenshot of Hank right after the game was over when he he tipped his head back and then he put his hat on his face. So it looked like his entire neck and chin was his face. A little preview camera. Yeah. But I listen, I'm just I'm just, you know, from from the outside looking in. Max is the winner today.

So we get to congratulate Max. We get to pile on Hank. This is how this series is gone. This is what I wanted from this series. Hank, I thought your body language in the gambling cave, watching it was bad. And I think the Celtics feed off that. What does that mean? I mean, it means exactly what I said.

Your body body was bad. Objection. Objection. OK. Overruled. I was nervous. It was a close game. I was nervous. That's how I get I watch games. I cover my ears for whatever reason. I just I get nervous. Yeah. I also was distracted. Max was freaking out so bad about Jason Tatum.

Non offensive foul call. And he basically had a heart attack and he was sitting down next to me and he was breathing like a 10 year old pug. And I was and he was. Pugs don't live that long. I know, you know, pugs do live long. And I think of the Bulldogs. It was so I was laughing at that and it felt like the Celtics had it in control. And then all of a sudden they double teamed on that on the B drive,

even though Al Horford was playing great defense on on him all game. Yeah, that was they didn't call a time out. That was a very strange. He needed Brad Stevens. And there was a few end of the game strange decisions and a regulation. I know that you disagree because you you responded to me. I thought Jason Tatum should have taken that shot instead of I know Marcus Smart was wide open.

But if you ask the 76ers who they want to take a last shot, it's got to be Marcus Smart. He's got to be the only guy on the floor that they're OK, giving a last shot to Jason Tatum drove. I buy I think Tobias Harris like Embiid couldn't jump for the fourth quarter. He looked so gassed. And then you get to the final sequence in the OT. I don't understand what they were doing when they they didn't have.

I know that they look like they were they switched. They had Marcus Smart on Embiid. They switched Tatum was on Embiid and then Jalen Brown came and helped and left Hardin wide open in the corner. Jalen Brown did say afterwards that was my fuck up. I should have done that. That was just boneheaded basketball because you left the one guy open who he didn't want to leave open, who had 45 points.

You have 45 points. I'm not sure how many he had exactly. He was insane. He was really good tonight. And it's like back and forth, back and forth to James Harden, which one you're going to get. He's going to be tired for the next game. No, you should sit him. Yes, I'm a big believer.

And if James Harden scores more than 30 points in a playoff game, you should sit him in the next game. Give him a nice little sit. And then and then it's back to Philly, right? It's one, one, one at this point. So bring him back in that game. And then I'm sure that James Harden will be great in game seven, like he always is. Yes, yes.

So it was weird that I actually don't have a problem with a no timeout call at the end of the game, because if it works out in the Celtics favor, everybody's like, that was a great call by Mazzullo, not calling a timeout right there because you don't want the defense to get set up. Yeah, what? Oh, I was going to say, I they made a shot, though. Like if they missed the shot and it's off a rebound, I agree. No, no, run it up and put they made a shot.

No, that's when you should call a timeout. I know. I'm just saying, like, I don't I don't hate the lack of timeout there because it can help the defense to get things set up. So I didn't mind that as much. Max had. I would say that this game came down to one very simple fact. And that is that Max outperformed Hank tonight on and on. Yeah. No, Hank. Absolutely outperformed.

Hank looked like Joelle and Bede going at Al Horford. And he was shook. He was shooketh tonight to go at Big Al. But Max, Max brought the noise on the stream. I thought several times that Max was either going to have a heart attack or destroy the television. And I did give Max permission in a game seven. If it's game seven, it's a heartbreaking ending.

I gave Max full permission to break a television. Break a television. Because he was in a battle with the TV. He wanted to fight the television so hard. You know that you were, Max. You were getting all up in the space. Yeah, let's hear from you, Max. No, I was.

I'm not proud of what I did after the Jason Tatum non-push off. Well, it was a push off. It was a bad push off. It definitely was. No, it was the only thing I'm concerned about is for your health because I think your blood pressure was 400 over. It was high. It was high.

I couldn't even really celebrate the heart in three because I was still recovering from my anger. Jason Tatum pushed off, which had happened like probably like 10 minutes in real life before. Yeah, no, I like that. I was sitting there and I was kind of like having an internal moment with myself and I was like, you like you got to like actually relax and no, no, no, no, I was.

Max, you got this win. That was all you, Max. You you actually like put your life on the line whereas Hank just sat there pouting. That's the difference between winning. Shut the fuck up. What does that have to do with anything? Bad body language.

I'm telling you what I that's my opinion. Can't have opinions on part of my tape. I didn't even see it. Hank, when you guys took the lead for the first time since the first quarter when you guys took that lead at the end of the game. This is the fucking lights are on. You didn't even give a double fist pump. That's not true.

I was going nuts. I was dapping up Donnie like I don't. This is this is gaslighting at its finest. You guys are doing your thing. It is what it is. Okay. So at the end of the day, sitting in the game, the cave is not going to affect the game.

So like, I just agree outside of your bad body language, which I think we can all agree is a fact. What did you see with the end of the game in terms of end of regulation end of overtime? I had no problem with the end of regulation, but it was a wide open look. You expect me to play to be able to hit that shot. That's I would rather. I know you would say the Sixers rather have Marcus Smart take that shot,

but I would rather have an open look by any player on the floor than, you know, a contested shot in the lane. I think especially with Jason, Jason Tatum had food poisoning. The city of Philadelphia pulled their biggest scum move to date. Wait, is that a factor? You're just going off the one tweet I saw you. I said, I before the game, I said to me and I was driving and he's like, Jason Tatum has food poisoning and then we got there and I didn't have time

to do any of my own research. I did anytime do my own research and I watched the game and he didn't score any points in the first quarter. So I was like, confirmed Jason Tatum definitely had food poisoning on that. When I think I think he definitely had he got he got fixed at half time. I said, Max word on the street, Jason Tatum may have food poisoning. And then I followed up right away by and by word on the street. I saw one tweet.

I was driving. So I literally saw the food and the food poisoning tweet. Now is it. That's a good sports. Sounds the first half. It did look like in the line moved. Yeah. Yeah.

It's that's what Philly does, man. It's bad. He had some bad water yet. He did look like food poisoning the first half. Second half. He was phenomenal. So that was all time scum move by Philly. Not surprising.

They'll go to any lengths to win, I guess. No problem with the end of regulation. End of overtime. They waited way too long to get that play going. The fact that they didn't get a shot off and they were also were just dribbling at the top of the key for like 10 seconds. It's kind of infuriating. No, no.

Hank and going back to the last time we talked about the Celtics on this show, not game three, but game two or no game. I forgot games three. Jason Tatum did alpha at the end of that game. There was that game in game three. The Sixers kind of closed the the deficit towards the end and it was like, whoa, this game's getting a little weird. And then Jason Tatum, I think scored eight straight points.

It was like, that's what that's what the best player on the court does. And he is the best player on the he's better than Joe Embiid. I'm sorry. Like in playoffs, Max Joe Embiid, he had a very good game. But the fourth quarter, he looked like the most gas person in the world. I thought I'll have to look in the first half. Okay. He was dealing with food poisoning like that you go through stretches

I listen, I get zero points in the first half. Joe Embiid. No, that's false. That that that fourth quarter Al Horford just like bodying him was that was not great. And they even the and then what happened in overtime? I put it frustrating. It's frustrating to waste that though.

That's that's that's where it's like that's a game that that would have broken the Sixers. So Hank, you said going into today's game that it was a must win, right? Yeah. Correct. Fact. Every game in the playoffs is a must win. So but you didn't win your must win. So what happens because you lost a must win that there's got to be game five is

now a must or win must must must or win. And then the next game is mustest. They lose five and Game Six is the mustest of all most. What about what about elimination game? What are we calling that? That's a winner. Go home. Yeah.

Okay. Let's do or die. You have no problem with Joe Embiid getting gas for like the hundredth playoffs in a row. No, I don't think he was I this is even worse. I don't think he was gas. I think that he got a little bit scared of the moment. Yeah, he was scared. There was that one.

There was that one sequence where Joe Embiid and Tobias Harris played hot potato and then Tobias Harris airballed the shot and PJ Tucker like dog got the rebound and won. That's what I was going to say. MVP of the game is is PJ Tucker with a minute to go. Go going up into Embiid's face and chewing him out. Right. Yeah. He was hikin' him up.

But then over time, Embiid was back because look, Embiid was great in overtime. The thing is people will say like I'm being too hard on Tatum or being too hard on Embiid, but this is what the playoffs are. Like the playoffs when you get to these moments are your best player has to be the best player on the court. There was that moment in the in the game in the end of the fourth quarter when the lead was shrinking and shrinking and shrinking and you're looking and you're like, Joe Embiid, you're the MVP.

This is the time when you stop this run and you do and you and you take over the game and it didn't happen then. They he he did kind of rebound in overtime. So credit to that. And it's similar to Jason Tatum. Game three. He was like, we're not going to lose this game. I'm going to take over.

It's I just love this series so much because this is what like three one would have sucked. It's got to go. So three one would have sucked for us to to like Tuesday, Thursday, Sunday. And and yeah, Tuesday, Thursday, Sundays, you get instant reactions. James Harden is playing his fucking balls off in their two wins. I'm excited. Are you nervous, Hank? Yeah, you are.

Yeah, officially. I think that was a that was a they could have ended the series right there. They had it, you know, they could have won the game, should have won the game. It wouldn't have been the series, though. And now franchise if the Sixers lose that game. Yeah, the Sixers Sixers have momentum. But it's it's when we went on Tuesday and we're back. The one thing I'd say about the Celtics, too, is I think they're more talented.

I think Joe Missoula is a liability. Yeah, I would have. I would have. I didn't mind. I liked I don't know if this is going to make any sense. I like them not calling a timeout to end regulation. I wish they used a timeout at the end of overtime. What's the difference, though, in those two scenarios?

It was just feel, but it felt like. And just the play. They ran the same play. There's a difference because at the end of at the end of regulation, you're tied. So you can't lose the game right there at the end of overtime. James Harden hits a three to go up one that should change how you are, you know, your best play, drawing it up like this is what we need to do. We have to score here.

Which comes back to the the drawing up of the plays and my concerns and desires to have Brad Stevens come on down. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think he's done any of that? Have you seen clearly not? Yeah, either way, Jalen Brown. I mean, that was just that was a lapse in judgment to come off of James Harden

in the corner standing there. And Joe Embiid does get credit for seeing that and being like he's wide open. He's been hitting shots all game. When you're getting out coached in the playoffs by Doc Rivers, it's a problem. Yeah. It's an issue. I have a question. So in fairness to both because I've pointed out that there's been times

where I'm like Jason Tatum, you should take this game over. Who's the who's taking last shot on the Sixers? Harden. It's hard. It's hard. Yeah. Okay. So Embiid is not the best player on his team.

I think there's a difference. There's a there's a closer. Okay. Yeah, he is the guy. Yeah, like you could say you can make that case with like Robert Ori. Yeah, he was on the Lakers where he would average like eight points, but he would always hit the big shot at the end. James Harden is the best player on the court when he's playing well.

And he's also the closer. So you could say that James Harden, ipso facto is the best player on the Sixers. I think how the NBA like, no, it's tough to be a big man and also get the ball at the end of at the end of the game. Like the way the game is played right now, someone has to get the ball at the top of the key and make a move. It's different that way for like a lash like a lash shot. He is getting more attention too.

So if he gets the ball anywhere close to the basket, they're double teaming and they're triple teaming him sometimes. So like he did set up that shot like he took the attention. Max, you also understand that these these facts are getting in the way of a brilliant take, which is that Joel and beat is not even the MVP of his own team. Let me let me get my fiery takes off. I'm not. James Harden is the best player on the scene.

I mean, he's the last shot guy overrated. You don't realize what I'm trying to do. Yeah, we're just getting the hottest takes possible. James Harden is the guy. He's the guy you need to have the ball in his hands. Uh, John be like he did recover in overtime. So I'm not going to, you know, PJ Tucker, PJ Tucker. But yeah, it was a gas them up big time.

That's why I don't think that Embiid was even getting tired. Yeah, I think he just got shook. He was shook. He was nervous about Al Horford. The moment he was so shook was when he took a fade away three. Yeah, because he was worried that Al Horford was going to block him for the fourth time in the fourth quarter. That was I think I think that was right after PJ Tucker yelled at him right after that.

Like, dude, what do you do? And how did Al Horford not make that wide open three that he took? Was that an overtime? Yeah. That Max said it at the time, but he's seen that shot a hundred times and it goes in a hundred times. Did you, did you have any problem with the market smart charge call, Hank? No, I do.

I have a problem with the big cat. Why? My problem is that again, I think we talked about this two weeks ago. You should not be allowed to take a charge if you're covering your nuts. Yeah. That's one of your worst takes. Why? That should be your sacrifice that you're making.

Sure. How can you play defense if you're covering? Why play football with Hamilton? How? No, you're not listening to me, Hank. You can't make a play on the ball if your hands are on your own balls. They're not making a play on the ball. They're making a defensive play.

So it's not a defensive play. I don't think you shouldn't be able to protect yourself. Yeah. I think if you want it, if you want it enough, you should be willing to take a shot right in the nuts. I would. It's the restricted circle. You can't have your hands over the restricted circle.

Yep. Think about it. Think about it, Hank. Think about it hard. Are you done thinking about it? Okay. You're done thinking about it. I mean, the thing is, if it went the other way, if somebody did that to you,

Hank, you would 100% agree with this take. No, it's stupid. I'm being an unbiased observer. Either way, Tuesday night's going to be great. Max, we asked Hank's, Hank's nervous. What are you, uh, because this, you need to win this series now. No. Yeah.

I honestly am just as nervous as Hank is going away from that game because that should have been a blowout. Yeah. You guys let them back in the game. You let it was the same. I've seen that game so many times against the Celtics and it's like, we lose that game every time. It was also more of the Celtics fucking up than the Sixers kind of taking

over, which I don't love. I do think this is going to go seven and I think the Celts are going to win in seven because the Sixers didn't win game three. That should have been a must win. But yeah, it's a must win for Hank. This is exactly how, when we explained it to you, the Celtics are going to have a reinvigorated effort on Tuesday night, win that game. Sixers reinvigorated effort on Thursday, win that game.

Back to Boston for game seven, Celtics win game seven. And I mean, MB is going to be out of gas. Sit them both. MB, it wasn't gas like. Oh, by the way, B-Ball Paul did hit his over. So I'm officially out just by a half. I thought it was was it 20? No, it was 17 and a half.

He has 18 now in the series. Another Josh Harris sweep today too. I really was in Sixers both wins. Yeah. I think all elite ownership, all sweep clauses, all big cats clauses, basically just the straight up series now, right? Yeah. And did we ever decide on a time frame?

I don't think we did. Well, we'll have to work that out because again, the baby, the memorial. Oh, not like how long you need to one shave. We definitely decided that. Okay. One shave cycle. They shave and then you just go. Yes.

Yeah. Okay. Yes. Okay. Should we talk some other games? Talk some some everything that happened this weekend. We should talk some Lakers warriors. I feel like Lakers warriors.

We should just have a flow chart is Anthony Davis going to play good. Yes. Lakers win is Draymond Green going to play bad. Yes. Warriors lose. They have not they've alternated games playing good and bad. And Anthony Davis was phenomenal. Again, he also leads the league in times during a game that you think

he is going to be out for the year. I counted for last night. He had his rib injury. His eye. Like every it is pretty much every quarter. You're like, Oh, there goes Anthony Davis. He's done. He got was it Moses?

Was it Moses Moody? Yeah. He broke the code. Yeah. Reached out and grabbed Anthony Davis's knee and gave a tug on it. Can't do that. And I thought that his leg just exploded based on Anthony Davis's reaction. But yet once again, Anthony Davis is the most healthy human being on the planet

right now. So he was able to overcome it. And the second quarter Lakers, they took away any opportunity for the third quarter warriors to even show up. It's so annoying that LeBron is figured out how to perfectly manage. He load manages in games that first quarter. You didn't take a shot and you're like, he's washed and then in the second and third quarter, he was running back on defense, making plays, you know,

hitting shots. He was doing everything. He was back to old LeBron. He load manages within quarters and it sucks because if you watch like last night, the first quarter, I'm like, oh, yeah, LeBron's washed. This is over. Like it's over. And then and then the second and third happening like, oh, nope.

He's back to being LeBron. So LeBron won't even give the LeBron haters out there of which there are many the opportunity to be like, look at him. He's done. He's a shell of himself. He needs to retire now. I think LeBron is going to play what maybe like four more years, three more years, maybe, and I don't think he's even going to get worse.

Well, I think he kind of is what he is at this point and old, less slightly less athletic LeBron is still a fucking monster. And so he's just going to play until he decides to walk away and he's still going to be super healthy at that point. So they played the game like two hours after Brani had declared that he's he's going to USC. I think we all figured that was going to happen. University of spoiled children.

Yes. And I I wonder if I wonder if LeBron had to Photoshop him like rowing or something to get him a scholarship. Yeah, but LeBron, I hate to give LeBron credit for anything, but I will give him credit for this. He was asked after the game about like, is it still the plan to play with Brani to play long enough? And he said, I'm still serious about it.

I've done what I had to do in this league and my son is going to take his journey, but just because that's my aspiration and my goal, it doesn't mean it's his good father LeBron. Good parents. That's that's the best parenting you can do to be like, I'm I know what I want, but it's my son's life and he's going to do what he wants and figure out his own path LeBron's by everything that we've seen outside of having his daughter drink wine seems like a really great dad and eat

rocks. He rocks because she was like this wine tastes like rocks dad. Yeah. He she had rocks and then wine. Yeah. Rocks then wine in that order. Now, would Michael Jordan say the same thing? I don't think so.

I think Michael Jordan would like try to tank one season just to make sure that his team could draft his own son. Well, sons weren't as good as not quite as good as Brani. But yeah, it is good parenting. Shout out LeBron good dad. You know what? Decent basketball player, even better father, even better father. I heard the younger brothers even better than Brani.

Yeah. He was he's taller, way right. Bryce Maximus. Yeah. Yeah. So we're going to get that. Maybe we'll get all three James King. It was cool though because he did also say like unless he's missing

someone way back in his family like tree, this will be the first member of his family to go to college, which is pretty cool. That's very cool. Like the whole thing, I give him a lot of shit, but I will admit like he is a great father, seems like a very good dude. And it's also bullshit that he load manages during games and I can think that he's washed and then he's like running and sprinting like he's young LeBron again.

Yeah. So Brani is going to go to college. I highly doubt he's going to stay for four years. Maybe he stays more than one. I believe he'll be a big 10 athlete. Yeah, he will. So but here's the thing. If Brani is even slightly good as a freshman, then LeBron is going to

be like, yo, enter the draft so that we can draft you. Right. He's probably okay. Here's a here's a future take for us. LeBron's about to be a bad father because he's going to deny his son a degree just so he can draft him to get him to play in the Lakers. Yes, we're back. Yes, I think it's been the opposite.

I think he's going to make him stay in college and it's going to be a whole storyline and he's going to make a shit ton of NIL money, but it's going to be a whole thing that like LeBron won't let him graduate or leave. The it's very funny too when these things happen in like your first reaction is a selfish to yourself reaction where I was like, fuck, I'm going to stay up late to watch Brani. Yeah, like damn.

I already stay up late any way to watch, you know, Bill Walton and like Oregon versus Washington state and ship. But still like he will be that will be going to want to watch the same viewership on those Bill Walton calling his games. Yeah, yeah, I'm I think I'm going to like Brani. I think that's going to be my thing. Yeah, I think I'm going to be a bright guy. Charlie Woods like Charlie Woods.

We're the next generation right now. Okay. Go next gen. Yeah, the baby goat. Well, we go. This is what they call LeBron is older than us. We can relate to Brani a lot more. Yeah, like listen, we're cool.

We're cool guys. LeBron does understand us being in the media as this next generation. He grew up watching, you know, ESPN and studio shows all that. This is the new media LeBron. You don't get it. I do hope that LeBron goes to USC and like helps Brani move into his dorm and all that shit. He's not living in a dorm.

I think in some schools you have to your freshman. I doubt it. Some of your maybe required one year. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. Well, I don't know. Get them all hooked up with the green, green street hooligan. Okay.

He might, he might, he might the kiss. He might have a dorm, but I don't know if he'll live there. Yeah. Like he might have a dorm to, you know, leave his shoes or something. LeBron just going to turn his dorm into like a wine cellar for himself. I can't imagine that they make those kids be in dorms now too with NIL like because Brani has already been in like some big time advertise. Yeah, he was in a big commercial.

Like he's got his own money. I feel like in some schools, especially in phase. Yeah. Yeah. Some schools, especially if it's got an athletic program that that's like playing by the rules, you have to go there and you have to be on campus as a freshman. You have to have an address.

Yeah. Yeah. Cause I was thinking like Caleb Williams probably got the coolest house ever. Oh my God. Yeah. He's probably. According to like the NIL site, his evaluation of NIL money is 7.2 mil. A year?

Yeah. I don't really understand how it works, but he's like the highest. Yeah. NIL guy is 7.2 mil. He's got to be. Um, okay. So yeah, I do think the Warriors, I think this is going to, this is going to be one of those series that might go, I'll say we'll go seven and people

like what a classic series. Like no, actually it sucked because half the games, one team killed the other and then they were like, all right, let's not waste our guys. Yeah. I the best we can hope for is probably alternate wins, alternate wins, alternate wins, game seven close game. Yeah. That's what I want.

I did love Jeff Van Gundy just completely, uh, taken apart load management at the end of the game because they were, there was like the discussion about like Anthony Davis playing 32 minutes or 39 minutes and he turned to Mike Breen at the end of the game. He's like, I hope you can broadcast in two days after we just did 48 minutes. Like it's perfect because it is. Oh, they were getting into it. Yeah.

Well, at some point, like when we're talking about the difference between like four minutes, like I get not having guys in in a blowout. That makes sense, but I don't think that, uh, uh, athlete of that caliber, four minutes in a playoff game should matter that much. It doesn't. So the four minutes just matters because he was tired at some point and needed a breather. Right.

He just wants to catch his breath. Right. And then whatever way the game clock checks out at that point when he's feeling rested, he goes back in. And it's not like they're like, Oh, well, 38 minutes would be too much for right. Let's dial it back. And there are like, it is different if it was like 43 minutes to 47

minutes is 47 minutes. We'll be playing the whole game. I get that, but 30 32 to 33 or 33 to 38. Like he can do it. Um, okay. Next game brought to you by game time because there was some advanced scouting going on in Miami on Saturday. Uh, game time exclusive ticketing partner of barstool sports created by

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teams go at it. Hmm. Yeah, it would have been a lot nicer to be a three one talking about this because I spent the whole time. The game was, was bad. Yeah, it was. It was a really, really, really bad game. The next offense is horrible, horrible.

And I did spend the whole time thinking obviously now I would say whoever wins the six or Celtics series is going to go to the finals. But the whole time I was like with the Celtics are going to smoke whoever wins the series. I think, I think that's probably fair. If I don't know, I think they, I think the heat are way better than the right now. The heat, the heat make the next are like, yeah, well, we're going

to get one Jimmy Butler game, at least one Jimmy Butler game in the Eastern Conference finals, probably two or three of them. Well, they have to get the first. They can good point, Jake. Yeah, they're going to smoke the mix. Um, they're going to win the Jimmy Butler games. That's just how it's going to be. But they're not going to get four Jimmy Butler games in the

Eastern Conference finals. The heat make no sense. The heat were down to the bulls with like three minutes left in the playing game and every all heat fans were talking about how this is going to be a painful rebuild and you have to change over the whole roster. And now they feel like significantly better than the next they're in the best spot in the East right now.

They're in the best spot in the East. The craziest part is Tyler hero broke his hand and you're like, he's out for it's done. It's seasons over. He could come back because they're going to play all the way to the, like if they get all the way to the Eastern Conference. Finals only. Really?

Yeah. Either way, the heat have been awesome. I don't really know. Like they just, they, they just playing very good basketball and Spolster is the best coach left in the Eastern Conference. Probably in the NBA. Yep. I think in the NBA Brad Stevens.

So it does feel like they have the edge there and a lot of these series do come down like to adjustments and game to game because you start to know your opponent so well. He I've never been more wrong about saying heat culture was dead. Do, uh, do people think that Jimmy Butler is unathletic? No, because Jimmy Butler said that he did a reverse two handed dunk in the game to prove all the people wrong who are always saying that Jimmy Butler is unathletic.

I just didn't know if those people actually existed or not. I don't think he's not like an athletic specimen where you're like, he beats you with athleticism, but I don't, he's not unathletic. He's a great, he's saying like, he's probably sick of people being like, he just tries harder and he's a great basketball player. Right. As opposed to being like he will go nuclear on you. Like John Moran can go nuclear on someone.

Right. He won't beat anyone like, like Tyrese Maxey is like, he's so much faster than everyone. You know what I mean? Like that athleticism shows up. Whereas like Jimmy Butler isn't, although I mean, I think his strength is if you're doing athleticism, like speed jumping, probably not like elite or well, he's obviously because of the NBA, but his

strength is has to be up there because he's bullies. I because I've always thought Jimmy Butler exceptionally athletic individual. Yes. When I look at that man, I'm like, he's he's by a wide margin. He's more athletic than I am. I yeah, I think it's more that he just doesn't like have jumping out of the gym type of like athleticism.

Yeah, some guys get by with. Yeah, I was reading a an article about that practice, the legendary practice that he had in Minnesota when they kicked him off the team essentially where he was pissed off at the management and he said, fine, fuck it. I'm going to play with all the backups and we're going to play against the starters and then they smoked him by like 10 points in the practice.

Jimmy walked off the court saying, fuck you pay me to the general manager and then he walks directly into an interview with Rachel Nichols and basically says I'm so much better than the rest of these clowns and then just blows up the Minnesota Timberwolves. Turns out Jimmy was right. Yeah, Jimmy was right. You should have paid Jimmy, Minnesota. So you're not afraid at all about it would be funny if after this

entire season and the heat remember the heat were the number one seed last year. If we get the same Eastern Conference finals Celtics heat. I'm no, I'm not thinking about that. Okay, you were at the game. You were. How was the experience at the. No, Hank said it's hard not to think about the finals, right?

So that means he was thinking about it, but no, it means he was trying really hard, but he was. His mind kept on going back to who I thought was going to be in it. Hank, were you thinking about none of the teams I was watching were going to be answer the question. That was all I could think. Were you thinking about the finals? Yes.

Who were you thinking about playing? I didn't say this. I just was thinking about the finals. I was like, Oh, it starts June 1st. Oh, yeah, got it. Finals. Uh, so how was the, how was the scene? How was the vibe?

I mean, Miami is just the craziest scene in general. Just walking around the city and obviously F1 was a very fun, like bucket list event to go to it. It was like the Super Bowl in that there's just so much going on, but Miami just the people watching and the people that are just in the crowd and walking around is just ridiculous. Max doesn't know what that Gucci was a brand. He, uh, I was wearing a Gucci shirt in the front row and on the back

it said Gucci and Max said, is that Gucci man? Cause it says Gucci on the back and I said, no, that doesn't look anything like Gucci, man. First then Max said, I don't know what Gucci man looks like, which is crazy. Then two minutes later it was like, wait, Gucci is a brand. Oh no, Max. I know, I knew, know that Gucci is a brand.

I know that Gucci is a brand. I, the font was different. The colors were different. I, I was looking for stars. It was, it was like a big week and I was like, oh, there's probably some stars. I was like, oh Hank, you know, you know Gucci, man. Like is that him?

He's where that shirt says Gucci on it. Max, don't apologize. Max said Gucci is wearing like a baseball jersey with his name on the back. Don't apologize for being trashy. You think that like I'm trashy too. Like I don't have wine taste and nice things like cream shirts or just like a Taco Bell.

Don't apologize for that. Don't apologize for that, Max. But it was, it was, we don't, I don't, we don't wear nice clothes. We're too fat to wear nice clothes. I mean, that's, that's very true. Like I, I, I don't know. I didn't know what Hermes was.

They don't make nice clothes for specifically me and Max. They don't make nice clothes for guys with our build. That's a fact. If it's not, don't do those. We get the linebacker ads on Instagram. Right. Exactly. We get the, we get the constant ads of you want a shirt

that makes your arms look big and your gut looks small. And it's just, it's just a t-shirt. And then you, yeah. Roback actually works, but, and then you put the t-shirt on cause I've, I've been duped many times on these ads. You put it on and you're like, wait, I look exactly the same. Still fat. Yeah.

We don't get Gucci. I don't get Gucci. We don't get Gucci. Gucci's not advertising. But it was, it was memes. We, it was memes of big Knicks fan. It was his first heat, uh, Knicks playoff game. Terrible game to watch.

I've been lucky enough to go to a lot of very cool sporting events, playoff games in my lifetime. This one would rank up there with the Villanova, Michigan championship game is just like, it was over. The, it was just, it was just, yeah. It was just like the energies wasn't there. Did you get to see Pat Riley in the stands? No.

I love that shot whenever they just put it on Pat and Alonzo. Yeah. I also had a, I was, I was watching the first half of this game at a two year old's birthday party and, uh, guy came up and recognized me and was like, you know, you're going to watch this game. I was like, yeah, I was like, I took the heat big and he thought that I like had, had like made fun of his mother.

And then at half time I was like, see, and he had to kind of like bow his head and be like, fuck, Knicks hype is out of control and they, they're not that good. They're winning it all. Probably. Yeah. Probably. Yeah.

Probably. Yeah. They, their offense, uh, it's hard to watch sometimes. You know what it is? It, well, a manual quickly got hurt. That doesn't help. Um, I also think that Josh Hart like played so well in a couple of games that now tips thinks he's more than what he

is because he's a good player, a role player, but he's not. You can't be your like featured guy and when you need a bucket. Oh, memes, memes on the picture. He, he, the heat have banners hanging. Oh yeah. For MJ for, no, for Tim Hardaway, Dwayne Wade, LeBron James and Bam winning gold medals. Oh, they also have a MJ banner.

Yeah. Yeah. Which is respect. Yeah. Respect. Um, that is mellow should have played for the heat. He'd have a banner. Yeah.

That place is decorated. Yeah. The rafters would be full of mellow. That would be sick. Uh, Hank, so you do are, you are anticipating that when the Celtics win the series, it's going to be a cakewalk to the finals. Yeah. Through the heat.

So you're, you're officially overlooking the heat at this point or the next. Okay. Okay. Whoever wins that series, L. L for them. Whoever wins, I'm south six, sixers W. I'm officially in, uh, don't, don't discount the heat territory

where it doesn't make sense anymore. And Jimmy Butler is just going to be like better than everyone when he wants to be and suppose going to be the best coach. And so who the fuck know? I think your take pendulum has swung too far. No, I, well, no, I'm not saying that I still don't think the heat are that good. I'm more like, I don't know what to expect from the heat.

So I'm done discounting. That's like, I'm not going to get thrown out the window right after you get hot. Right. The regular season doesn't matter if they, if they play the sixers or Celtics, I'm not going to be like, Oh, that's an easy win for the sixers or Celtics. Now, do you think that there is something about the fact we talk

about during the regular season? Sometimes if you've ever listened to any, uh, like podcasts that's done by a former player teams that go to Miami, they party it up in Miami. They have a good time. Yeah. Do you think that even in the playoffs guys go down there and they're like, fuck it.

It's Miami. James Harden. Let's have fun. James Harden, that could be a real issue for the sixers is James Harden going to Miami on the road for three games in the playoffs. Max is shaking. I said, Max, you were a fucking delusional.

If you don't think that James Harden flew to Las Vegas on an off day, if he's in Miami during the playoffs, that man will be hitting up every strip. What did he do after he went to Vegas? That's a good point. Fair point. But fair point. He's also going to be partying it up all the time down in Miami.

That's fine if he drops 45 the next day, but I don't think that he will every time. I don't know about the playoff. Here's what I think. I was in the playoff. He went to Vegas. He went to Vegas two days before the game one before game one when he had like the best game of his career.

Smooching on girls. I think we should watch the game in here on Tuesday, by the way. Okay. That works. Um, we should do by the way, uh, for Mount Rushmore, we should because I'm now I'm thinking about a PFT when he said my pendulum swung so much. There are certain times in sports where a team can win a championship

and you're like, I still don't think they're that good. Oh, I think that's what the heat would be for me. So like it's I don't want to. I mean, Joe Flacco is elite, but when Joe Flacco won a super long, they're they're not that good. Like there are teams that win, win championships. And if you've been a hater for a long enough and you like watch enough of their games, you're like, what the fuck?

You, you go, you go to your dying bed being like, no, no, they, they weren't that good. Yeah. Uh, LeBron 2020. Yeah. They weren't that good. I still don't think the Rams were that good. Which Rams?

Oh, they won the Super Bowl. They just had Aaron Donald and, and Matt Stafford played really well for extended stretch. But like, yeah, I those teams exist in your mind. Like I still think the 49ers were better than the Rams. Yeah, there's some real shitty teams that have been champions. Right. A champion doesn't make you good.

And it's the dumbest thing you can do as a sports fan to be like, yeah, yeah, no, no, I still don't think they're good. Even though they proved that they were that good because they won a champion, but that happens in all happens in sports where you're just like, nah, I don't think they're that good. You know, this is going to turn into though. It's just going to turn into you guys picking each other's teams, just to piss each other off.

What do you mean? Like you picking the one of the Patriots teams, you picking the capitals. No, the capitals were great. No, no one would ever pick that. No, I would be honest about it. I don't think there's no, no, I'm just saying Jake. No.

Well, yeah, the Marlins in 97 and no three. Yeah, both while they were not that good. They were never in their history won the division especially. We know why. Okay. Let's talk sons nuggets. What a fucking game that was. What a series is this turned into just great vibes are always

great vibes between the sons of the nuggets to show fan bases. So to go going into Friday night and then Devin Booker decides to just go absolutely nuclear pretty much for two straight games because he was 14 for 18 tonight and on Friday night. He was what was his final? I think he was 20 for 25. It's 747 points 20 for 25. He and KD have essentially been like, I mean, this is what we

we knew with the sons like they don't have a bench. They traded everyone to get KD. So it was essentially like Devin Booker and Kevin Durant have to score 80 to 90 points a game for this to work and tonight they scored 72 on Friday night. I think they scored. I don't know like something like 85 plus and now we have to ask the question are the sons better without Chris ball.

Yeah, I was hoping that we would ask that. I think in a sick way they definitely are better without 100% because if you got Devin Booker and KD those guys big cat would you say that they can both create their own shots? I would say so. I would say so too. So they're not really like obviously they can make open looks and stuff and cut and get get open off the ball.

But you want the ball in their hands. There's only one ball and I think one ball can be divided between two great players. But one ball can't be divided between three great players. Let's just pretend that the Miami Heat never happened when they had Bosch LeBron and Dwenway. Yeah, but Bosch had to play second fiddle for a lot of that. None of those guys are point guards.

That's true. That's that's a very good. I think if you have a big three and one of which is your point guard. Wait, no, no, just yeah, there've been some other teams where that hasn't worked out. But I do think that in a weird way they are. They don't they're not relying on Chris Paul to run their

offense and they get along just fine without one. It's we find this a lot in the NBA playoffs. Like if you're missing a key piece, everyone else has to step up and that's exactly what Kevin Durant and Devin Booker have done. So I just looked it up. Devin Booker the last two games is shooting 34 for 43. He's shooting at 79%.

That's that's in fucking sane. Yeah, that is absolute. You better win when your guys shooting 79% and the Nuggets I mean almost won this game. You could scored 53 like it was an insane game high like the shot making was out of control and this series is fun. This series is a lot of fun and it's fun because Chris Paul is not in it.

So moral victory is it good for the Nuggets that they were able to keep these last couple games as close as they had even though it took Devin Booker like defying the laws of physics to be able to shoot as well as he shot. But maybe he's just going to keep shooting this way. If he does then then we're in for probably seven games in the series. Yes, but I'm staying I'm staying by my take nugs and six.

I still think it's gonna be nugs and six go back to Denver. We should actually say the guy that stood that stepped up the most tonight was in place of Chris Paul. Yeah, was Matt Ishby. Yes, the owner of the sons. Yeah, exactly. Filled the flopping void that was left by Chris Paul. It was an all time flop.

It was a great flop and it's good to see the owners get involved in the action. People are talking about like suspending Yolkich. Well, yeah, so they should just get to shove Stan Cranky when he's courtside. That would be wonderful if Stan Cranky took a charge courtside and his two pages went flopping up in the air and then went into the fifth row behind.

I was gonna say this. You just get to rip off his mustache. You either wax off his mustache. Just take some hair off. Yeah, that was a crazy scene because if Yolkich gets suspended that will be absolutely bullshit because Matt Ishby. I mean, I don't begrudge him because if you're the owner of the team and you're you paid a shitload of money for him and

you have a chance to maybe get the best player on the other team suspended, why not? But he grabbed the ball wouldn't give it up and then he kind of like chest into Yolkich and then Yolkich gave him a little shove. Yeah, the if Adam Silver suspends Yolkich for this game, it's bullshit. He should at least suspend Matt Ishby from owning the sons.

Well, Matt, at least one day. Matt Ishby played on the National Champion Michigan State teams. He's a Tom Izzo product. Yeah, that should actually be the ruling. Matt Ishby has got to play at least 20 minutes on Tuesday night. I would watch that.

That would be awesome. Matt Ishby when I felt when I read up on because I forgot that he was a walk on on that team. Yeah, that shocked me looking at Matt Ishby his body type right now. Yeah, nothing about that guy screams basketball. Yeah, but he was and he actually he like goes so he owns I think the biggest mortgage company in the country and he

treats his mortgage company like basketball teams where he like split them up like each like sales team is like five guys and they like all have to like learn all his life. Yeah, so that will be bullshit. If Yolkich gets to spend I actually I kind of felt like Yolkich was going to have a game like this, especially after Embiid gas out in the fourth quarter came back in overtime. Don't get mad Max, but Yolkich scoring 53 points and like

they're just his game is so much fun to watch because it really is the most skilled YMCA player of all time. Yeah, it's I don't mean that in a bad way because people will be like that's fucked up. But like some of his shots when he does the one-legged, you know, jumper or he'll just like lightly put in like an eight footer. It's just beautiful.

I can't wait to see the statue. They eventually make him. I hope he's riding a horse of it and falling down and making a shot. Yeah, I hope he I hope he's got like he's got his left foot down his right foot up. But his right foot is like maybe one inch off the ground and his body is like kind of off at an angle like a 45 degree

angle. Yeah, his head is tilted to the side. His right elbow is stuck out to the side too. And you just know that he's going to switch it. But it's the performance that he had. What was it Friday night? Was that the last game? Yeah, Friday night.

Didn't he had like 30 something 17 and 17 in that game? He's just he's incredible. I'm looking up right now. He had 30 17 and 17. That's that's crazy. Yeah. That's a crazy stat line. Yeah, he's I mean, it's stupid how good he is.

You know what? It should be he they should force him to sit courtside at the Nuggets game and on either side of them should be one of the Yolkich brothers. Oh, I like that. Just right in between them. Just let him see if he does like a Steve Ballmer crotch grab on those two guys.

Yes. All right. So right now. So the last two games for the Suns, Kevin Durant and Devon Booker scored 64 percent of their points 150 out of 258 out of 250. You know what? That's that's a key key success.

Have your best players score all the points. It might it might be just a hack that other teams could use in the future. Get Chris Paul on your team and then have him get injured. And that way everybody is psyched that they don't have to play with Chris Paul anymore. Yeah, better vibes on the team. Yeah.

And I think tonight. Yeah, Landry Shamit. I the Suns. I'm going to fall for the Suns again because it is fun seeing campaign out there. Just we had a great report on Friday night the campaign when he had to fill in and start for Chris Paul. He usually wears all black for the games.

He decided to wear some colors to remind himself to have fun out there. That was an actual sideline report. He wore he wore colored clothes colored clothes. That was a sideline report. It's hard hitting. We had some serious sideline reporting on it. There was one other that was essentially Chris Paul talks

and then doesn't talk. That's how he's been leading the team since he's been out home to find it. I took a screen grab of it. Let's get that. Let's get that. It's called facilitating. Did you get that facilitating the conversation?

So I don't think I don't think I don't think I think I don't think that what you fail to understand big cat is it's the times that he didn't talk that were more impact. But he also talked after he didn't talk. But then after he talked again. Do you know what he did after that? He finished it with not talking. He didn't talk again.

Yeah. He closed it. So it's like he's that's that's his finishing move is not talking. These are I don't know who who the reporter is. I mean look sideline reporters have a tough job because if you don't get anything like if they don't want to talk to you get to make it up and this was Chris Paul talking and then not

talking and then talking and then not talking. This was just described a conversation. This is the campaign. We're down to it's a different team but he told me in order to get ready today he sat in deep prayer and he even dressed differently coming into the game deciding to wear color instead of his usual black to represent fun and bringing energy. He said if I dress well I can play well too.

Got that. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Bubba's just watching the TV like what the fuck does that mean? So yeah that's the suns the suns are back. This entire like playoffs are just they rule like we have what

would be the in the next heat probably the worst series. Yeah 2-1. Yeah so I'd say that three out of the four series are awesome. Right. It's it's so we have two of them 2-2 Monday night we might get all four to 2-2. I want I want at least I want two game sevens to come out of this.

Give me give me warriors likeers greedy give me give me warriors likeers game seven give me Celtic Sixers game seven yeah and so and give me yeah all the popcorn yes so all the cattle yeah so every series except the heat one would be game seven Sunday so we could have up to three on Sunday. Oh shit Mother's Day. That's actually I think that would default the Celtic Sixers to a day game because the two West games are not put there

in the day. Yeah that's true if it's on Mother's Day game seven you know what they have to do in L.A. right or I guess that game is going to be in Golden State. Yeah yeah I want to watch yeah you have to but maybe not maybe not so thanks face I read Hank's face. All right last thing hockey do we count the Leafs getting into the second round if they don't win a game.

This was a win. This is I don't want to serious for the first time since the first Bush administration. I don't think it counts if they don't if they don't win a single game in the second round. I don't think they got to the second round. This is one of those games where if they'd won an overtime and it had been to one instead of going down three nothing

if they'd won that game and overtime I could see the Leafs pulling it out now the Leafs are going to crumple. Yeah now that this is what they do it's it's late in the well they're down three out the Leafs will crumple. Yeah so it's over for them. It was good run. We had a great run. They won a series.

Listen who could forget. They won a series. That's the equivalent of a Stanley Cup. It's not over. It's over. It's over again. Jake it's over not three. It's over.

It's over three nothing. Jake it's over. Now I'm going to do some Hank will get a cat if the Leafs come back and win the series. Okay deal deal I'll match you'll get a cat. Yeah I'll match if you if you agree to get one. No name it Rob Ford. No there's a there's no upside for him there.

I'll do cap at someone else has to cap at if they sweep. No but that's one more game. That's the same conversation you try and do every single time. Yeah yeah yeah. Shout out Panthers. The Devils are back. They went eight to four. Yeah and then the Oilers.

Oilers are so much fun to watch. They they I know that they lost game one but they won game two on Saturday night. They are their power play is so much fun to watch. Did you see by the way with the Devils game. Do you see Biz get into it with Tuckett. No they got mad at each other. They got very mad at you because Biz was like this game's over.

What would the Devils were up 3 0 and Tuckett was like yeah well let's just turn all the cameras off and pretend that this game's not even going to finish and Biz like yeah they should because this game's over. Yeah that was probably stupid. Well and then they went up I think they went up what 6 2 yeah and then they came back it was like 7 4 I was just I was hoping that they were going to come back and somehow tie the game

just to see Biz and Tuckett go round 2. Yeah and talk about fun to watch. Yeah Kraken up to nothing Kraken or I just can't get over how good how much how much they nailed their jerseys they fucking rule like the coolest color scheme. Yeah I don't know if that Pantone is using any other professional sports team that Teal. No it's like lighter than the Dolphins Aqua.

Yeah it's not exactly the Jaguars. Yeah it's a good color and it's just yeah it's the whole thing is they did a great job Kraken that would be Rob Ford second favorite team. Yes Kraken's Spencer Hawes better be there otherwise we're never going to Sonic's back. Let me see if he's not there he they don't get the sonics back I'm saying right he's got to go to at least one one playoff

game yeah FaceTime let's see he better be there. I'm going to hang up instantly on him if he's not at this game. Okay it's called Ice Blue the Pantone. Oh ice blue and shadow blue that's beautiful and they also have boundless blue whoa deep sea blue they made their own colors for this team. Wait that wait yeah those are made up.

Wait those can't all be the deep sea blue deep sea blue ice blue boundless blue shadow blue and then the red is red alert. He's not there. No that's probably he's probably not picking up. I want him I want him a towel in his hand otherwise Sonic's never coming home. No no sports town bad sports man sports town Sonic's your bad sports Spencer.

Oh no are you guys recording. Yeah you've gone to a game yet. I've been in many games. Why don't you play off games. It's this is a playoff. It's the yachts man saving it for Tuesday. Okay all right fine you go Tuesday then the science can come home.

All right it's deal you got yourselves a deal. Okay all right. Bye Spencer. Wow we just made him go to a playoff hockey game. Hope you hope you like jail brother it's like the funnest thing you can do is go to a playoff hockey game. We just made him do that and it sounded actually like he already had tickets.

Yep. He should be at this game though. He should he should. That's bullshit. One one home ice. Got to support the boys Spencer to think Hank might be right bum. Santa might be bad sports.

No I see I was a great sports. I'll bring the songs back. Okay F1 credit to us. Yeah Red Bull went one or two. That's never happened. You know what we fixed Red Bull Red Bull. Everybody was saying this team they're going to fall apart. They don't have any cohesion everything that they've done

this season. I forget how many wins they had or P1's whatever you want to call it. Everyone's saying it was a fluke P1's. I think they demonstrated that it was it was not a fluke. Credits check out great loser great loser great loser today so he picked that up for Max great loser not you Max not you Max now your other Max you're a terrible loser.

He also we also had a moment when it was like four laps left and check out got caught on the radio asking is Max struggling. He was just looking out for him. Yeah he was just hoping that he was okay. Yeah he's like I'll be right there for him if he needs any help screen shot of that right away and put in his folder. Also knowing knowing.

There was a side note when we interviewed Max and check out on Thursday. I have some friends that are big F1 fans and I got two separate texts asking is Max a dickhead in real life and I read them as our Max and then I was like wait they're talking about Max for seven who's not a dickhead not a dickhead. I do think knowing a little bit about check out and his sense of humor and what we've kind of seen from when we've interviewed

him. I think he knows for a fact that that was going to get caught it was going to be a screenshot it was going to be a clip that would come out. Yeah he knows when he gets on the radio people are going to be listening to it. I think he was fucking around. Yeah I think he was like Max is winning this race.

So I'm just going to like bust his balls. Yeah he's struggling. Yeah. Yeah but F1 was fun this week. Yeah. I Christian found the perfect toilet to piss at. Yeah he did. And he did for the king.

Yeah. He did for the king. What a coronation present. Shout out to King and his stubby gross fingers. What is wrong with his fingers in bread. Yeah they are. They look like little smokies. Remember little smokies the little sausage bites.

Yeah he's got he's got five little smokies on his hand. They're all they're all in bread. Yeah that's the that's the short answer to it. That one picture of his middle finger. That's just a mute it. It looks like he had he's having an allergic reaction only in his middle finger. Yeah I was I was hoping that we were going to get that the

absolute unit to show up at the court. Oh yeah that guy should be escorting the king down the aisle or whatever it is. I don't know how coronation sports with the absolute unit to look at the size of this lad guy with a double breasted suit that guy should be the mascot of England. Yes should be incorporated in every single formal thing they do.

Someone pointed out to which was like genius that they really like the monarch really was better in black and white because looking at a picture of the king and Camilla like with their robe and they're like they just look like they're going to Halloween party. Some people it looks ridiculous. Some people shouldn't be in high def. Yeah you know like that 4k televisions weren't good for

everybody. No no and it was it was the second televised coordination of all time right because Queen Elizabeth was the first. This was the second Prince Andrew showed up and he was like wearing the the shroud of darkness or whatever the fuck he was he was getting the wear out of pedophilia and then Harry Harry just had to wear a suit because he's not the royal family.

He regrets so he has Prince Harry marrying Meghan Markle and then getting absconded with to America not allowed to be part of the formalities Prince Andrew fucking 16 year olds on pedophile Island for 20 years allegedly. Yeah come on come on in yeah you're fine you can be part of the ceremony you can walk you can walk pip it down the aisle. Yeah they think Meghan Markle went in disguise. Oh yeah that's okay.

Yes this is my favorite theory and this is gonna be my who's back but we'll just talk about now with the coronation. British fans of the monarchy are some of my favorite sports fans in the world. Yes they're fucking insane. They're crazy how seriously they take this shit. There was a screenshot of this one guy in the audience and to be fair he looked a little bit like Donnie Brasco undercover

or like a I don't know a Dana Carvey character or something like that and they screenshot him because he's got this bowl cut and these giant weird glasses on my song he looks like he's straight out of the 1980s and they're saying that that was Meghan Markle wearing a prosthetic pretending to be a dude to sneak into the court coronation. I have no idea if it's true or not but I now I believe it because these people care so very deeply the only reason I

don't believe it and I mean maybe this would be offensive to British people but I'll just say it British people do like really ugly better than any other country. Yeah they really do like they have some of the ugliest people whether it be the teeth or whatever like that guy I saw him and I was like oh that guy is just as British as British gets. Yeah I mean your your king looks like if you just touched him

with your finger you would crumble to dust and then get blown away by the wind. Yeah but this guy you know what I'm saying I know what you're saying people are there's some really ugly I saw the picture of this guy and I didn't even think twice about it I was like oh yeah that's just a member of the British Monarch because that's the best that they have to offer is guy like that. Yeah they have like they have a bunch of people that look

like they just were trapped in a time capsule and they showed up for this event and they haven't been like seen the light of day since the 80s. Yeah they don't get any sun over there they don't have dental work food sucks and they eat like they drink peas smoothies Nick and Nick and our colleagues Nick and Tommy went and I think they have a video coming out they were doing they were doing clips during it but Nick asked one of the British guy

like this is so boring he's like Britain does boring better than anyone. Yeah they do a million percent but I do choose to believe that Megan was undercover I like it at that event I like it and who God knows what she was doing there is there anything else from the from the since we are talking about it now. No I mean basically he's going to die soon and then somebody else is going to get a coordination and then yeah William

they should have skipped Charles and just gone straight to William this feels like a better PR it feels like a participation crown for Charles it's like OK you waited long enough will let you have your turn it also I do feel a little bad for not that bad for Camilla because she's you know Queen now should have been Diana right that's every time she gets put in the spotlight everyone's like oh yeah those are the people who killed Diana yeah so it's it's like if I

were Charles I would be like I'm actually going to sit this one out yeah I don't really want to trend for killing my ex wife nope nope yeah yeah all time strays were getting caught there so Harry is completely out of it right he regrets it he does he probably does because he's been over in the States like trying to get his wife hired as an actress yeah there only so many podcasts that you can do with your wife before you start to thank yourself maybe I should have just kept

that job where I don't have to do shit when I get millions of dollars right I'll live in castles yes also it's trending a lot is a pictures of Diana's bodyguard that looks exactly like Harry who's also ginger oh he's either kids rest yeah that old is he well no he's might be Harry's father here he's dad yeah got it oh I see her saying I see her saying I see her saying yeah oh interesting I do think that we should have a king and queen in America though I understand

how I understand the usefulness of the royal family because they just serve to do all the stupid shit that the president does that doesn't make a difference so their actual politicians can govern instead of worrying about hosting the president of South Korea for karaoke or whatever yeah I I understand why they do it I still think that it's stupid how much money and wealth they have and how seriously they take it but I would like to see a king and queen in America

should have been he passed but John Madden Beyonce that's perfect that's a pretty good king and queen I was going to say coach oh should just be the king of Louisiana yeah they should get him a scepter coach oh and Taylor Swift coach oh and Brandy yeah you see Brandy's rock no it's nice coach oh good job coach oh yeah told us we say Billy Dolly Parton should be the queen yep good point just has John Madden Dolly Parton yeah Bob Barker and Dolly Parton there he that works yeah

absolutely works we should get to watch him fuck yeah put on the list don't tell me you wouldn't click on that I would but only after you did it okay to make sure that it was safe yes I didn't get a virus okay last thing Kentucky Derby mage wins good job right good job horse mage mage mage um Forte got scratched there's a lot of people were very upset if you lost the Kentucky Derby like I did this guy wrote an article saying sorry but Kentucky Derby 149 deserves an

asterix mage a horse Forte just beat twice at Gulf Stream Park benefited when the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission scratched the Derby favorite Saturday morning so asterix on everyone who lost sure asterix on that there were seven horses that died this week at Churchill Downs there's gotta be a way that you can take a horse that broke its leg and just like wrap it up real good and suspend it above the ground so it doesn't re-injure itself I feel like we haven't exhausted our

the the medical um state of America to figure out a way to make a horse not kill itself and not keep re-injuring itself I feel and this is not really fully understanding I feel like it's like pretty much the owners are like this is going to cost me too much money I think that there might be something to do with that he's not going to be winning me any races right so like as much as I say that I love this horse yeah you got to kill rehab I don't want to have to feed I don't want to feed

this fucking thing yeah I understand why they don't do it for breeding purposes even though it can't run it can still fuck but if they don't win if they don't win then the breeding is not worth it then you just got a bunch of worthless and you're just hoping that the horse would have been good if they were not didn't have a broken leg yeah but then somebody would buy that that come for the potential of it yeah like it take it's a risky investment because then you bring that

up with Randy Moss they should just start breeding horses don't even race don't race just based on like look at look how strong and fast this horse is like let's not even risk the injury right but I do I do feel like we play horse racing on a spreadsheet yeah exactly it's like money ball it's sabre metrics yeah but yeah it's like it's a distressed asset if you buy an injured horses come yeah there's a lot of money that could be made could also just be a total bust mm-hmm no

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brawny jr. Oh, sorry. It's all right. I'll power through my who's back the week is Chris Brown being problematic. He's had himself quite a weekend. He had a birthday party thrown for him by usher. There's a bunch of R&B legends that were there performing. He's gonna let another man throw a birthday party for you. Yeah. That's cool. That's us. But then and then and then it was really masculine right usher invited Tiana Taylor who apparently Chris Brown has beef with they

got into a verbal altercation and then Chris Brown was demanding usher that he kick out Tiana Taylor he didn't and then the rumor is there's no video evidence of this and all the video evidences of them kind of being buddy buddy at the party and usher didn't seem to be too fucked up but there was a rumor that usher sent his bodyguard to go fuck up usher and then today at a music festival he was fighting with Missy Elliott so Chris Brown is just back. He's wild enough.

I I I never really got like why people I guess his songs were so good that people are like yeah. He like brutally beat up Rihanna. Yeah, no, he was like that felt weird always. Wait is that Tiana Taylor? Is that the porn star? Yeah, like he beat the shit out of right and everyone's like really bad but his bangers and bad guy. It's like he's a bad guy. I can overlook certain things like we'll I think as a nation we've agreed to just talk about Michael Jackson's bangers more

so than the other stuff but with Chris Brown it's like he doesn't have the body of work to separate the art from the artist and he's also I'm not shocked when a story comes out that he's a bad guy because he's already proven these bad guy what are you laughing about with Billy? I didn't know the Billy heard Tiana and just thinks porn. I didn't know who Tiana Taylor is now. I don't think you only know one Tiana and it's a porn star. What's there's TT you're thinking

Tiana Trump. Yeah, it's alliteration to be fair but he's always thinking about Trump though. Yeah, he's got it on the mind. Yeah, come on. That's my who's back. Okay, good who's back. It was at a roller skating rink too. That's very funny to get your ass kicked outside of roller skating rink. Were they on a roller skate party at a roller skater? Yeah. I don't know how to roller skate. I don't either. I don't roller blade. We can bring roller blades. I'm sick at roller

no, I bet you that there's beef there. I bet I bet that the roller skating rink people are like under no circumstances or blades allowed in this skating rink. Okay, we're gonna do our we're gonna do let's do our 40th birthday party like at a roller blading rink slash bowling alley with a petting zoo. Yeah, in the rink. We're gonna so you have to like dodge donkeys and we should charge people like five grand to come to our party and then we won't show up and then and then we'll

have we should invite we should also invite us or and beat the shit out of it. Yeah, we should do a firefest for our birthday party make a shitload of money. Yeah. But if we say it before people can't sue us. No, it's gonna be a lot of fraud. Yeah. Yeah. So if you buy a ticket that's on you. Yeah, we're not coming. $5,000 buy it. It's gonna be sick. Okay, my who's back was gonna be the monarchy monarchy is back but I'll just say Ed Sheeran Ed Sheeran is back. So a jury ruled

in his favor in a lawsuit Marvin Gaye's family sued him because one of the songs was definitely a blatant ripoff of let's get it on. I think anybody that ever heard that song was like, Oh, yeah, that's just let's get it on just with Ed Sheeran doing his whimsical British howling over it. But the jury ruled in favor of Ed Sheeran because I guess it's tough to prove that the or I guess the melody and the lyrics weren't similar enough to let's get it on. But shout out Marvin

Gaye's family who's just listening to every single hit song that comes out and thinking about how that's a ripoff of Marvin Gaye song from like 30 years ago. Yeah, because he did that with Robin thick, right? Yeah, with blurred lines, which was a blatant ripoff. But Marvin Gaye was that good that there are Yes, it is. I just looked it up because I was like, wait, his dad's not so alive, right? He is dead because that would be extra weird. Oh, if his dad was suing to get my killed Marvin

Gaye. Yeah. Yeah. No, he died in 1998. Okay, good. That would have been messy. Good. I'm glad that his dad taking everyone to fucking court. Yeah, that would be actually what the fuck that sounds like Marvin Gaye could have taken them to court if you didn't kill your son. That sounds like some of that would happen to the Royal Family at some point. Yes, like fantasy side followed up by by suing your your dead Prince's like opponents. Yeah, Jake. Did you see how Ed celebrated?

He's here in the city hopped on a car and just did a free concert in Soho. Oh, hell yeah. It's very cool. Nice. Pretty crazy. I someday hope one of us meets Ed Sheeran. Yeah, that would be great. Yeah, has anyone got willing? I actually did one time. What? Yeah. When? Where? I met him. It was 2015 at Sirius Radio. He was there promoting I think his album or whatever, right? And I was also there recording my podcast The Steam Room, which Charles Barkley stole the name of my

podcast, by the way, it's in this Canon. You can look it up. So me and Ed go into the bathroom at the same time at Sirius and we're peeing at stalls next to each other or the urinals next to each other. Okay, you must be nervous. No, no, I actually let it flow. Nice. Like I got I had a powerful it was like a fire hose. Was there a barrier? Yeah, I think there was a small barrier. I didn't quarters full. I didn't look at his penis. Could you peek over? Yeah, I probably could

have peaked, but I'm not a peeker. It's like, right? Scouts honor. So plus I tower over him. So he was probably more eye level with my penis than I was with him. So I just start pissing, right? Just real bad pissing. And then Ed can't pee. He's trying to he's like struggling. And I'm pissing so hard. He starts doing the thing where he's like spinning into the urinal, thinking maybe I'll mistake his spit for the sound of piss. So long story short, I just pissed and then

I zip everything up. Ed retreats from the urinal, because he got too much bad stage fright trying to piss next. That's fucking wild. Like almost a decade never heard. I know we learned fun facts about each other all the time. I want to hear the long story long of that one day. Yeah, yeah. No, that was because we don't have we don't have enough tape on the podcast. Yeah. Pat him on the ass when you left. No, I didn't pat him on the ass. You're ruining the bit. You've

never heard the story, Billy. I there was rumors that you gave him a pat on the ass. A nice one. I did not give him pat on the ass. No. Have you heard this story, Billy? No. We now you've been the funny part is they're definitely they're definitely people out there that are listening that have not heard the story yet. Of course. And they don't understand that I've told this story 40 times. They don't understand the last five minutes of the show. Yeah. But it is a true

story. Yeah. No, he couldn't pee. Yeah. I did. It's wild. Okay. My who's back the week is higher education because Justin Fields just graduated college. So he's ready to go. Also found out his middle name Skyler. Oh, that's kind of cool. I don't really love that. Skyler Fields. Yeah, that feels that feels red flag ish. Skyler Fields. Yeah, I don't know. J.S.F. Look, you can't pick your name, but you can change your middle name. Yeah, you can change your middle name if

you want. So what do you get his degree in? What did he get his football? Yeah, I don't know. I did look up to try to see if Zach Wilson got a degree and he did. So I was gonna dunk on Billy, but that didn't happen. What did he get his degree in? Let's see. Justin Fields. Yeah, he graduated. I like when guys go back for family financial services. A consumer and family financial service. That is a good degree. Yeah, good for him. So now the bears are ready to go. Well, counterpoint

college, you know, graduate. Now he's officially a Buckeye quarterback. That's true. So you can't really run away from that anymore. Yeah, he should have graduated for somewhere else. He said, yeah, if USC, yeah, if he got his degree from like, I don't know, Northwestern in the offseason. Yeah. So yeah, congrats, Justin Fields. Very cool. Billy, I got a couple of who's backs. First one, speaking of Prince Andrew, Epstein's Islands have just gotten bought by Stephen Deirdoff

who's gonna make it into a hotel and that's not hot at all. Yeah. Totally not covering anything up. Also Alabama baseball. Brad Bohannon was fired because he may have tipped off a dude in Cincinnati. Seems like he did. Yeah, very much allegedly just throwing that out there. It seems pretty. Yeah. I mean, he got fired and I think the other guys might be in jail. Yeah, cuz they text messages. Yeah, while he was in the casino. Yeah, not good. No one knew he was gonna bench all

the stars for a game against LSU which got blown out by but someone put like a six figure bet on it. And then last but not least. Wait, I have one thing I want to go back to the first one. Epstein's Island. I don't there needs to be now Epstein pedophile pedophiles bad. What is the word for people who are obsessed with pedophiles pedophile files? Yeah, because there is like a group of people online. Yeah, that are like, yes, if there were some salacious things were, you know,

when it all came out and watched the documentary everything. But at this point, it feels like people are like, Google alerts for anything Epstein related. Yeah, sounds like you might be on one of these lists. No, I didn't know. I didn't know that one. Yeah, dude. Wait, you saying Billy or me? No, no, I'm saying like, it's not that it's not you are telling people like, Hey, maybe we should just chill out with all the investing. There's some crazy shit that they're hiding

from people. Really, I'm talking about really, I'm talking about Billy and Dante is really okay. Dante tweets about a lot. Clicks. Okay, that's fair. Just clicks and plays. Yeah, Billy. I just want to say for the record, I hope you discover all the truth. Yeah, anybody that's ever flown into that island before. I want you to get their names and I want you to broadcast. It's a pizza gate guy. He would be the pedophile file where he's so obsessed with like finding pedophiles that

he goes to a pizza store and like they have kids locked and a lot of times the pedophile files end up just becoming pedophiles. Right. Exactly. There's definitely a weird like thing where it's like if your main hobby online is hunting pedophiles, go outside. Look at all the sick stuff that they did. I wrote up a long description of everything that happened on that island. But I do understand how the way I broach that topic. Definitely put a target on me. That's fine.

I could deal with that. Release the list. I should make a list of pedophile files. Yeah, so I'm a pedophile file file. Pedophile. I'm obsessed with the people who are obsessed with people who are pedophiles. Yep. That might be. No, that's not Chris. Let's go with pedophans pedophans. Yeah. No, I think that's just watching the Lily World Series. Dude, it gets clicks. Also horse trainers. Safi Joseph Jr. was banned after two of his horses died within like three days at Churchill

Downs earlier this week. He got banned from the Kentucky Derby to me horses died. Yeah, which is nuts because he's probably shooting them up with some crazy shit. They're just basically like they died after the races. This guy brought the vibes down. So you're done, man. But like whatever you definitely allegedly shot him up with something that like made them go run so hard they just died right after. Listen, it's it's I love horse racing. It's not good. Santa had a bunch of this

a few years ago. It's it is not good. Just figure out a fucking way to not have to kill the horses. Yeah, I think maybe just shit. Figure out a way to kill him like two weeks after the Kentucky Derby. Yeah. Like just put him in a coma. The fact that happened during this week is really if we're really going to nail down the issue because you don't hear about horses that die at tracks during the rest of the year. What you could do is you could just like you could shoot them up with whatever

it is that that kills them and then just weakened to burnies the horses. I just have like four guys lifting their moves up walking them out of the bar. This horse is totally okay. We're taking them back to the horse hotel. Now this horse is going upstate such a competitor doesn't even feel any of the pressure of the Kentucky Derby ice in the veins. If they body doubled horses. Yeah, they should have a body double like this is totally Barbaro. Yeah, look at him. I brought him

one of the bars. I bet on two fills and that was the worst like loss gambling wise. My son picked two fills as well. The blue one I actually almost got it. He kept on it was heart breaking too because he's like the blue one's winning right and I was like it is and then at the end he was like to the blue one win. I was like nope. I got a crazy tip in a gambling group chat that a mobster died and the last thing on his death bed and said was bet on two fills. That's kind of awesome

though. Yeah. Yeah, I was online. Yeah, I do when I die. I want to leave a hot gambling tip for somebody just because like what if it wins? Yeah, you'd be a leggera. I thought that was I thought that was it. Yeah, fucking mage came out of nowhere. I bet mage's drugs on drugs. I want to drug test it. I'm gonna get a gambling tip tattooed on my body for right before I die. Yeah. Okay, legend. Jake. My who's back. It's just a PSA. My who's back's moms. It's Mother's Day. Oh, yeah.

I'm reminding all the AWOLs to take care of their mom. Careful, Jake. Yeah, take care. Yeah, get a gift. It is Mother's Day does sneak up. Exactly because it's always Father's Day, you know, once Mother's Day hit, you're like Father's Day has got to be coming. Yeah, but Mother's Day does sneak up. It's a good PSA. Just adds up. Does it feel like it's early this year? No, it's never too early for mom's big cat. That's true. Yeah, there's no worse feeling because there's definitely been some

years where I've like turned on an MLB game. I'm like, why the fuck got pink bats? Yeah. Pussies. Oh, shit. It's Mother's Day. Yep. I forgot. Yeah, so good call, Jake. That's a very good PSA. Jake, how are you feeling about the heat overall? I feel solid. I mean, again, at this point, like we said three weeks ago, it was like, who cares? Because it's heat bowls and it's like, they're gonna lose the bucks, but I'm all the way back in now. I'm obviously not living and dying as much as

Max and Hank here, but I'm along for the ride and Jake, Jake would enjoy the Stanley Cup and the Larry O'Brien trophy and not be and not caring and just like these guys are diehards. I'm not gonna sit here and like, yeah. No, you're Yankees and Dolphins or you're one too, right? I mean, yeah, but even now, like, I don't know, as I get deeper into this, you're such a journalist. It's like, I just don't want to. You're right. This show, we try to keep our bias aside. Yeah. So

like, yeah, obviously I root for them, but I'm not gonna I'm probably won't lose sleep over any teams anymore. Yep. I think I've changed my mind. I think I would instead of seeing heat Celtics, I would rather see Jake against Max because Max, I think Jake's calm demeanor would make Max so much more angry that he's not getting any any shit back from him. But Jake beating Hank. It might be rock, paper, scissors. You know what I'm saying? What do you mean? One beats one. Oh, Jake beats

Hank. Hank beats Max, Jake beats Hank. Yeah. And LeBron wins the title. We all lose. Yeah. That would suck. That would be awful. That would suck if that happened. Should we quit the podcast? I wouldn't mind LeBron. I would. Oh, all right. Listen, I thought about that. If the Sixers lose, I'm going all in on the Lakers. If if oh, you fuck. Oh, yeah. You fuck. Oh, yeah. You fuck you. You fuck you. Yeah. You guys having three out of the four teams in the East like I will personally

and means and means four for four. Four for four. I will personally take it out on all any of the four of you that gets to the finals if LeBron wins. Just so you know, that'll be on you. That'll be your fault. Yeah. I mean, the Bulls made the postseason. They didn't actually it doesn't exist. Yeah. It doesn't exist in the records. They made the non regular. Yeah, they didn't they did not make the postseason officially. Okay. Let's get to Michael Davies. Oh, another quick who's

back of the week. NHL the lottery. Yeah. The lottery. I think it's tonight, isn't it? Yeah. Monday night. Connor Bedard the Bedard sweepstakes. Blackhawks have the third best odds. It's going to change some. I kind of hope that if he doesn't go to the caps, I wouldn't mind seeing him go to the black. Where are the caps? I think they're like five percent. Okay. So crazy things that have like it be be bedarded, but it could happen. Yeah, I was gonna say you're gonna make a black eyed piece.

Yep. Um, yeah, someone will cheat that the minute that the lottery gets decided out. The fun fact the lottery machine for the NHL is why I bought this and why Hanks life is Hank, who do you think is going to win the NHL lottery? The blackhawks. Okay, nice. Now we're definitely not. I can't believe they don't televise that portion. No, they do. For the NBA. Oh, no, no, for the NHL. They do. Yes. Oh, they do. Yeah, that's why I bought it because everyone thought it was rigged

because one of the balls went up weird and it is and I was like, I was like, I need one because the NBA always show the room, but they never show the live draw. No, I know the giant envelope. Yeah. Um, okay, let's get to our interview. We got a great interview with Michael Davies, some barstool van talk. He was the executive producer and some Jeopardy Talk, some great soccer talk as well. Before we do that, you got a quick word from one of our sponsors. This show is sponsored by Better

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Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, recurring guest. I believe, yeah, you have been on. It's been a while. It is Michael Davies, our old friend, producer of Barstool Vantalk, but now he somehow has parlayed Barstool Vantalk into Jeopardy. How did you do? I mean, Jeopardy Masters coming out May 8th. Did you put Barstool Vantalk on your resume when, when you, when you're trying to get this job as executive producer of Jeopardy Masters?

Oh, it's permanently on my resume. It can't be deleted. Is this the second episode of Barstool Vantalk? I mean, technically, it could be. Yes. Well, you were, you were on episode two. We, we taped that full interview with you in the back of the van that never made it to air. But I think I'm going to use that on the podcast. I don't remember being bundled into the back of the van.

But if you say it happened, it happened. Yeah. Wow. RIP Barstool Vantalk. Yeah. Jeopardy Vantalk. That would be a, that would be sure. Yeah. Jeopardy Masters. Thank you, Dan. That is, goes on the air next Monday, May 8th. The greatest Jeopardy players alive, playing against each other over 10 episodes to see who's going to be the Jeopardy master. Oh, so who is it? Who are the, who are the competitors?

Cause I, I am a casual Jeopardy fan. I, Jeopardy is one of those shows that I love when I like stumble upon it, but then I feel incredibly stupid watching it and not getting any of the answers correct. So I know Ken Jennings. That surprises me. I thought you had actually been a pretty good Jeopardy player. No, no, no. The six Jeopardy Masters.

Well, the host is Ken Jennings. Who is the goat? He's the greatest Jeopardy player of all time. One of the most consecutive episodes. Then you have James Holtzauer. Yup. He's won a lot of episodes straight. I think he's won more money on the show than anyone in recent

memory, a superb player from Las Vegas, professional gambler, a man after your own, after your own desires, I would say. Um, Amy Schneider, who came from that classic season 38, Amy Schneider, Matamodio, two of the biggest winners from that season. Mateo Roche who won 23 straight games at the age of 23, arguably the best young player in the world. Uh, then Andrew he brilliant young, uh, computer programmer from Northern California and rounded out by Sam Butchery.

Um, Steve Martin look alike. An assistant professor at the postgraduate Naval Academy. We have boomers. We have Jen X's. We have millennials. We have, we have something for everyone on Jeopardy Masters. So when you say that Ken Jennings is the goat, you said that in a tone that conveys that he's, he's the undisputed goat of Jeopardy.

Is there anybody out there that would disagree? Cause I, I know that there are a lot of Jeopardy. James fans. I think that Holtzauer is the better player. Huh. I think James Holtzauer would disagree and he disagrees loudly in every episode. And I think he's desperate for a rematch against Ken, but it'd be,

I think it's a tough argument. Ken having won all those episodes and when they played a primetime event named goat to determine the greatest of all time, Ken Jennings won that against James. Yeah. Uh, there's always people bring up like the buzzer situation that some guys are better than, than other contestants at the buzzers. That's true.

Have you found what's, what's the secret to being fast on the buzzer in Jeopardy? Well, the buzzer, we actually have buzzer data now. We have Jeopard data. We've introduced that. So we actually see what's going on with the buzzer. Uh, one thing that we've instantly found, uh, PFT is that everybody complains, Oh, I just didn't get in on the buzzer. I didn't get on the buzzer.

And then when we look at the data, we realized that they weren't actually buzzing in. So the first secret to the buzzer is you actually have to buzz in. That's a, that's a very big thing. And also it's a lockout system. So the buzzer doesn't open up. You can't buzz in until the final word has been read on the clue. And so you have to be patient.

You can't go in too early. You've got to wait for that moment and then buzz in so that you're not locked out. I would definitely be one of those people that complained that the buzzer just wasn't working for me and I wasn't, I wasn't buzzing in at all. And I'm sure one thing that you've learned, uh, on this job firsthand that we've just had like a small taste of because we have our own trivia league here at Barstool, a dozen that we compete in is trivia fans are unique. They're very passionate.

They're weirdos, but they're very passionate and they care a lot. Have you had, was there an adjustment period where you were like, wow, these people care way more about the game show than even I thought that I did. Look, I've worked in trivia for a lot of my career. When I wasn't working on Barstool Van Talk, I produced some, uh, some other quiz shows. So I did millionaire. I did ESPN's two minute drill.

World Series of Pop Culture, Wimbenshtein's Money, a bunch of shows. So I've been around the trivia nerd for a long time and they sort of, there are three kinds, right? There's the people who just have read everything, seen every movie. They know everything forever. Those are the purebloods. You then have the people who are the really biggest nerds who just have learned trivia in order to be good at trivia.

Those are the mudbloods. And then you've got the halfbloods, the people who know like a bunch of stuff, but they didn't have done a lot of revision on the side. So there's three different flavors of nerds. Jeopardy attracts the entire world of them. So what about the nerds that we deal with? The, everyone is cheating all the time, uh, people because that's, that's what we deal with when we do our trivia show.

And Jeff D Lo does a fantastic job, but there's a group of people who just assume the worst of everyone and like every answer. They're like, no way he got that. He was looking at his computer. He was doing this though. Those are the people PFT was alluding to that. Maybe, maybe I take a little too seriously sometimes. Yeah.

Look, 110,000 people apply to be on Jeopardy every year. We take about 400 of them. That's a 0.36% acceptance rate. Harvard is at 4%. Japanese pretty hard to get onto. It's tough to cheat your way on. Like, I think that maybe you just need to make your show way more competitive to get on.

Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah. That's probably, that's definitely true actually. Has there ever been a cheating scandal on Jeopardy with a contestant? You know, it's interesting because when you're asking the question, I was thinking about that. I mean, years ago, and this has been something that,

you know, they've been, you know, we've just launched this history of Jeopardy podcast and it's been something we've looked into. You know, there was a contestant who had appeared on multiple game shows under different names, but there's no suggestion that she ever cheated in any way. She just wasn't under the same name or, you know, on every single show. So I don't think we've ever had a cheating schedule. I think Jeopardy would be very, very difficult to cheat on.

Yeah. You'd have to find out all the answers to the clues or all the questions to the answers. Yeah. It would be maybe. Yeah. It would be very, very hard. Yeah.

Maybe drug tests, make sure no one's on Adderall. I don't know. I probably wouldn't disqualify anybody for being on Adderall. I got a dumb question about Jeopardy because you, like you said, you have the history of Jeopardy podcast. We ever run out of trivia questions? Well, with a writer's guild strike about to be called, you know, within 24 hours than that, that question is, is, is pretty appropriate.

Yeah. I mean, it's tough to, I mean, I think it's remarkable what the writers do, how they continue to find categories, they continue to find things to write about because Jeopardy has enormous range on a daily basis. Yeah. So it's, it's very hard to like figure it all out. It all starts with a blank page. But, you know, while the world still, you know, it's kind of like, you know,

will you ever run out of things to talk about on pardon my take? You know, while the world still has stuff happening in it on a daily basis, there will probably always be, you know, information and places and names and things to talk about. That's true. We're making trivia right now as we speak. Yeah. Yeah.

There you go. Yeah. The day that Hank gets the lottery ball, correct. That's when we just completely run out of topics to talk about on the show. Yes. Yes. It'd be a dark day. Yes.

Your career is fascinating. You, you've been in television for what, 30 years now? 30 plus? Longer. Yeah. 34 years. So who wants to be a millionaire? You mentioned you've worked with incredible, you know, you've worked with

Jerry Seinfeld, with Jimmy Kimmel, all these different shows. You've, you know, Bravo, the Andy Cohen show is out of your offices in, in Chelsea or Soho. What is the one job that you were like, this is the show. We put it out there and I really think it should have hit, but right time, right place, whatever it may be. Wow. The one that got away.

Yeah. Good question. Well, by the way, I'm, I know that this question was not self-serving. No, it was not. No. Barstle, Barstle Van Talk was going to be a hit. Oh, no way. Oh, okay.

All right. Good answer. Good answer. Yep. It was going to be a hit TV show. And, you know, as I poured over the 18 to 34 demo results of that first episodes, you know, that was a hit TV show. So that was the one that got away.

I don't think anything else. I mean, I've had some things that I would, I would regard as critical hits like World Series of Pop Culture. I thought was one of the best, you know, quiz shows I ever made that didn't really work or didn't last beyond two years. ESPN's two minute drill, you know, similar, but you know, I've been pretty fortunate. Most of the other stuff, you know, comedians and cars, Andy Cohen, you know,

who wants to be a millionaire when Ben Stein's money, this stuff has, has, has worked. Yeah. Japanese is the first time I've been given a show that I didn't have to sort of, you know, develop from scratch. Yeah. I mean, Barstool Van Talk as well. I was, I was given that show.

You walked into my office and you gave me the chance to do that. But on the whole, we have to sort of develop everything from scratch. And so, you know, a lot goes wrong before it gets on the air. Jumping back to Van Talk real quickly, because we did work pretty closely on that show. And I still remember, in fact, we have video evidence of the second that me and Big Cat were informed that the show was getting canceled because I believe we were, we were filming a scene and the cameras kept running.

And by the way, thank God that the cameras were running because, you know, capturing a moment like that is, is just priceless. I'm glad that we have documentation of it. I'm curious to know, when did you find out that the show was getting canceled? Did you find out before we got word or did you find out when Skipper released that statement? You know, when you just were setting up that question, I was trying to remember

like what happened. I have no memory. That's, you know, part of the fact of advancing age and the fact that, you know, I wasn't being shot at the same time. Was it me who called you? I doubt it was. It was Erica. No, Erica called us.

Yeah. And that just shows it was a traumatic experience for you too. Your mind has blocked that out. Yeah, pretty much. I mean, I feel like I heard from ESPN, but I'm trying to remember who our executive at ESPN would have been on the, on the, on the show. Yeah. I think Erica probably was dealing with, with the ESPN folks and, and

everything that was unfolding there more than I was. Yeah. I was in, I was in shock about, I gotta tell you, that is one of the, there's very little that's happened in my career that has really surprised me. That was a situation where I was just thoroughly surprised because it was just, the situation was just sort of spinning out of all of our control. We were just making a show and trying to like make it well. And there was a whole other situation going on that was like difficult to

process. I remember feeling absolutely terrible for you guys. I mean, you would just sort of. You, you were, you were silent and stunned. Yeah. Yeah. It sucked in the moment. In the moment, there was no worse feeling.

And then we, we went out right afterwards. We walked out of NBC row and we went down somewhere in the West village and had some beers together and somebody brought up the point. Like if you look at this from, if you zoom out a little bit and you realize that we worked so hard to get a show on ESPN and, and you know, growing up, I know speaking for myself, I used to watch ESPN all the time. And the sports center was a daily thing of mind that it was appointment television and getting a show on ESPN.

I thought at one time when I was a kid was like the ultimate goal of anybody in sports media. And then we worked so hard to get there and then it's canceled after one episode. If you zoom out, that's very funny. That was a very funny circumstance that we were put into. So if you kind of like look at it that way and you're able to appreciate how ridiculous the circumstance was, it's funny that it happened that way.

And in retrospect, we can certainly look back and be like, yeah, that, that kind of rocks that we're there for. We're too, we're the bad boys and we're too hot for, for ESPN too. Well, also, yeah, it's added to the myth and the, and the comedy that is your podcast and is the part of my take brand. It's almost better for you. It's almost as though you fix that to happen that you made it get canceled after one episode.

Yeah. Yeah. So our biggest successes are in our biggest failures. Yeah. No, it is, it is true though, because it always, we were bummed in the moment and I should say too, Jake just sent us this tweet to our group text, you had our back, which we do appreciate. We never said thank you for, but after it all happened, you said

there's no entity in the world of sports that can stop the part of my take guys from becoming massive, long-term, true talent always wins. So you treated that right after which we did never thank you. So thank you because we were getting shit on by the entire world and there were very few people who had our back and you did in that moment, but in reality, like getting canceled in that way was actually if we had done an entire season and they're like the

ratings suck, you guys suck. That feels so different to have it be, you know, a situation where it gets taken from us after one episode. We can kind of play the what if forever and we in our minds, we can play it out as a success and who knows if it would have been or not. And how important is failure when it comes down to I know that everybody's been talking a lot about failure in sports

after Giannis comments, you know, after getting eliminated from the playoffs, but you know, failure is also really important. That's why I do think there is failure in sports because you need failure to inform success. How many great, you know, talents who we've worked within this business have failed first before they've succeeded. You need to sort of feel that I just look back at my career. Regis Philbin was, you know, he's someone who failed spectacularly

for decades before millionaire happened to him and it made it so much sweeter for him, you know, and, you know, I was talking with Karl Brandt the other day from Good Morning Football, another one of our shows and, you know, Kyle talks about like, you know, being on the real world in his career and like where it all goes before he ends up like becoming successful. So you kind of need those, you know, it's almost like good to have it even if you absolutely didn't deserve it.

The great thing is there isn't a lot of great talent. There aren't a lot of people who are really good. And so that's why I was very confident you're always going to succeed. Okay. So going off of that, one thing that I hate that successful people do is they basically ignore all the luck that comes in their career because we all like we've had a million lucky

bounces to say like, oh, yeah, it's just hard work and we're just bet. No, no, luck has a lot to do with where you get in life bounce here, bounce there. What would be your lucky break or the moment that you were like, oh, that worked out my way and that kind of propelled me to do other things. Well, moving to America would be like a major thing. I would never be successful in Britain.

Really? Just wouldn't have been. There is something about America that the environment like worked for me. So I'd say moving to America was a massive part of it. And, you know, being a younger brother of an older brother who moved to America first and went into the entertainment business never helped me get a job in the entertainment

business, but would showed me that I could, you know, I grew up wearing the same hammy downs as him. So I always thought that if, you know, I play tennis, he played tennis. I grew up in South London. He grew up in South London. Oh, he's gone to Hollywood and he's become a successful screenwriter.

I can certainly go out there and produce nonfiction television. Right. So that was sort of the most overwhelming luck. That's a good answer. I got hired at Disney when I was 25 at a very good time long before they bought ABC, bought ESPN. I got a job at a company that was growing.

I was laughing. The Raj, my partner on Men in Blazers who, you know, well, another friend of mine, part of my take. He just interviewed the guy who's come in to go and be the new head of US soccer and he was talking about the search for the new manager to, you know, presumably replace Greg Berhalter and he was saying that he's looking for a legacy manager on the way up and everybody is like, oh, amazing.

Getting a manager on the way up. What a great idea rather than a manager on the way down. And we always, but I do think that there is something about joining a company that is in the process of growth. Yeah. I didn't know it at the time. I had no idea. I was taking the only available job to me working at Disney

at that time, but joining a company that was about to grow incredibly, that was a very fortunate break as well. That's a great point because it is like even a barstool for us like the time that we started a podcast in the company we started it at like all those things don't, they don't happen if they're not those lucky bounces and like right place, right time because the growth of a company is it's when everyone's got that energy and everyone's working really hard and it's, it becomes

everyone's like passion and life. You can't really replicate it once you get to the top and you get to a big, big company and it's things are more bureaucratic. Yeah. It's probably the simplest piece of career advice I give to younger people when they come to me is I had go into industries that are growing and try to join companies that are on the way up that are growing.

Right. You know. Yeah. Tough time to go into cable television right now. Right. Yes. I was reading a story earlier that you, you work closely or you got to, you got to know Merv Griffin a little bit as you

were working alongside him. I only know Merv from having his name pop up and the logo pop up at the end of shows. I have no idea what kind of guy was, what he was about, how hands-on he was with all these game shows and all these shows that he created and produced and brought along the way. What was, what is Merv Griffin the human being like and what can you tell us about, about how hands-on he was and developing

all these legendary shows that he was a part of? It's a shame because you would have loved Merv Griffin. Number one, most important Merv Griffin fact. He made his fortune, his big hit song was, I think it was called I've Got a Lovely Bunch of Coconuts. Yeah. It was his big hit song, which I feel like that sort of would play in the Barstool Van Talk sort of theme world.

I sort of think it would be a nice little thing. I think you could, you could, you could sort of make a new version of that on your guitar, BFT, but it's a, he sort of made his fortune. Then he sort of ended up being a very successful talk show host of Merv Griffin show and, you know, he was both an entertainer. He knew the rap pack.

He knew all those guys and just then started creating TV shows and him and his wife created Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune in the space of, you know, weeks and wrote the music, which is still makes that family, you know, a lot of money to this day and they created a show and we watched the original pilot from 1964 recently and the pilot is almost identical to the show that we make today. Wow.

It was just created from scratch just perfectly and Merv, I was lucky enough to work for him when I first moved to LA when I was about 24 years old, worked on a couple of game shows for him, worked in development for him and so going back to Jeopardy now is sort of full circle to sort of working from Merv early in my career. Yeah, that's incredible. We used to go to lunch at the, he used to own the Beverly

Hilton hotel and we used to go to lunch and the waiter would come to the table and say, may I take your order, sir? And Merv would go, ooh, and it writes something down on a notebook and three weeks later you'd watch Wheel of Fortune and the puzzle would come up and it would be, may I take your order, sir? He was still like writing so everything that was said in his company ended up sort of getting on the show.

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Use promo code PMT. And now here's more Michael Davies. This you may not have a great answer for this, but I'm very curious. You've been so successful in the TV world. Do you think you know what people want better than what they know what they want? Like the old Vince McMahon, like I know what you want more than

you know what you want. Like I can I can script this. Don't tell me I'm wrong. Like, do you know the psychology of Americans and what we want to watch on TV and how much does that play into when you're building a TV show or taking a show like Jeopardy? I don't think I do at all. I think I focused on to that.

I do understand a lot about the history of American television when I moved here and I wasn't American. I felt like I had to understand more about the history of American television than anybody else to even deserve to work in it. So I do understand television history. I understand where it's gone on. Usually I ask myself two questions.

One, do I really believe in the talent of the people I'm working with? And so, you know, hence, you know, when you see an Andy Cohen or Jimmy Kimmel or Katie Nolan or you guys, it's like, wow, this person is so talented. I have to work with them. I believe they have a pre to natural ability to communicate to look down the lens and communicate with the audience

and have something to say. So I kind of feel like I know talent when I see it. Um, and I usually know what I want to produce, but that's a long way away from from thinking something was going to be a hit. Who wants to be a millionaire? I really, everybody says, oh, how did you know that was going to be a hit?

I didn't know it was going to be a hit at all. In fact, I'd lined up a job for myself. You know, the first run was 13 days and I lined up a job for myself starting, you know, on the 14th day because I had no idea it was going to work. Can I give you just a little piece of advice? New game show. Who wants to be a billionaire?

Whoa, just just stepping up. Yeah. Whoa is right. That's that's the reaction that everybody would have. Jimmy Kimmel pitched me to do who wants to be a millionaire, but it's with billionaires and they put up their billion on and when they lose, they end up going down to a million. Oh, I like I'd watch that.

Yeah, I'd watch that. I would also watch a show that was developed by a guy from England that that is brand new to the United States had never visited and they had to create a TV show for Americans just based on what they thought of Americans. It's just all like light beer, fast food, hamburgers, music. Yeah, hamburgers. Yeah, these fat slobs will love this show.

I would watch that. Yeah, my one of my friends in college who'd never been to America would write letters to me when I first moved out here and would always ask me how are things in the land of hip hop and the hamburger and that's really all he knew of the United States at that point. And Trace is like, you look like a million bucks. Yeah, I love when English people do the American accent.

They're like, let's go have a cheese burger. We have troops here. Does that burger? Yeah, burger. I get a question about about Jeopardy and the transition that it went through just a couple of years ago. Do you get the sense that if Aaron Rodgers had been offered the full time job hosting Jeopardy, he would have taken it?

I mean, that was before my time. So I wasn't there. Um, but I think that from all accounts, he was and is so passionate about the program and had clearly when I watched his episodes, he'd clearly studied. I mean, obviously he's a guy who can study a playbook, but he clearly had studied Alex Trebek and, um, you know, was really good at it.

So I think he wanted the job. Mm hmm. That was saved you like a couple of years of consternation there, big cat. Yeah, it would have been very nice if he'd gotten out of my life. Yeah, what would have been your opinion? Oh, I was, I was, I was like commenting on every single one

of his posts for a year there being like, Hey man, I know that like football hasn't been great to you. Like Jeopardy is a great spot. Like build your legacy. Like look at Alex Trebek. He's a so that he wouldn't be the best anymore. That was that was your sole focus. Totally selfish for me.

Just didn't want him to beating the bears every single year. So I'm happy now though. It all worked out. Uh, well, let's talk about some sports. Your soccer team sucks. Uh, yeah, but they're entertaining. Okay, that's good. That's good.

Well, not the team. Sorry. The team up this is Chelsea football club. They're not entertaining, but their new owner has come in with a pledge to double the revenues and make it worth billions and billions of dollars. And is is doing that mainly by spending money. He's very good on the supply side, not good on the demand side.

And, um, it's entertaining to watch them go down in flames. Yeah. So this season has been a failure. How do you feel going forward? Cause it was, you know, the, the, for people who don't know, Chelsea had an owner, a Russian oligarch, obviously, uh, with the war in Ukraine, all their, like they got frozen out. He had to sell the team.

You now have a new owner, an American owner, which I feel like American owners don't do great with English Premier League. I feel like they own so many teams at this point. I don't think you can say that anymore. That's true. That's true. That is true. They have basically have pretty much every team.

Yeah. So, uh, like, what's the future of Chelsea looking like? Because Chelsea was, you know, what, what, you guys won? What a couple in a row. Like you were on Chelsea have won more Chelsea in the, as I say, in the men in blazes era, Chelsea have won more than almost anyone. Um, so it's been good. We've won a couple of champions leagues, won a bunch of Premier League titles,

a bunch of other trophies. Um, yeah. I mean, Chelsea do have this habit of either being brilliant and winning it all or being horrible and finishing mid table this year. They look to even finish. They look like they're going to finish lower than mid table and they've been terrible. They don't actually score goals.

I mean, soccer, you know, for many Americans is low scoring at, at the best of times. Um, we were talking about this on the podcast today, Rog and I, Chelsea just had their goal of the month award for April. Chelsea scored one goal in April. So their goal of the month was literally their goal of the month and it was scored on a deflection from Connor Gallagher, um, in a game that they lost, of course.

So yeah, it's been an absolutely terrible season in that on the other side, we have bought almost every young player in world football and sign them to massive long-term contracts. So many players that I think we've got more than 30 players in the first team, they couldn't fit them all in the dressing room. They couldn't fit them in the locker room. Um, and it's just been chaos behind the scenes. I sort of think with that amount of money, they will work it out and

they will get better, but you know, the Premier League has become intensely competitive. Um, you know, I don't know where your football like loyalties are lying these days. I know that Dave has become a Tottenham fan, which is just yeah, which is, I mean, it's shocking in so many ways. Yes. He did not know the history of Tottenham when he, when he joined up with

I watched his video from this morning after their 4-3 loss to Liverpool. And I think that was the whole theme of the videos. Nobody told him that it was going to be like that. So, um, so yeah, it's tough. I mean, for most of the teams in the Premier League, it is just a disaster. My poor partner in Pod Roger has the game going on right now. Everton, uh, against Leicester and the team that lose this game are likely to be relegated and may never, ever get back into the Premier League.

Yeah. Yeah. How does, how does that work? If you, if you, um, are born raised in England and you've got a team that's in the, the championship, that's the second division. Yeah. Uh, and you're a fan of that team. Are you also a supporter of a team that's in the EPL?

Do they have split allegiances? Yeah, very often. I mean, when I was, when I left Britain in 1989, Chelsea were in the second division, the old, what was the championship was, was the second division. Um, and I would just tear for, cheer for any English team if they made it into Europe, if they made it into European competition. Um, but there, yeah, there are lots of complicated things.

I'm from South London. I, I come from near closer to Crystal Palace. A great friend of mine ended up buying Crystal Palace football club. So I sort of have two Premier League clubs. Um, plus today I was very happy Plymouth, Argyle owned by another American promoted from League one to the championship. Um, and sort of always had a soft spot for Plymouth, Argyle my whole life as well.

So that's a great team name. Oh, Argyle, I said on the pod today, we see so many SCs sporting SCs and FCs in America. Why have we not seen an Argyle? Yeah. Argyle. Yeah. Roger said maybe Phoenix Argyle.

That's quite a good, uh, team name. Should be North Carolina. It should be North Carolina. I should have a team so they can match the, uh, the UNC colors. Yeah. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Argyle, I did help name Hartford Athletic, um, because Charlton

Athletic is a big team, uh, in South London and a friend of mine brought Hartford the USL team and I told them, call them Hartford Athletic. And I think that's a more exotic team name in the, in the US, but an Argyle would really be good strong. Yeah. I'd like to, I like to mess with our guy troops here. Who's a massive Arsenal fan and I tell him that, that West Ham is

my team that I support in the EPL and then in the FA Cup, I'm an Arsenal fan and then in the Champions League. That's when I, that's when I root for Man City in the Champions League, depends on the tournament entirely. That's excellent. Yeah. And I'm still probably not enjoying his end of season with Arsenal. No, no.

And I'm still stuck with Swansea who may never get back up. Yeah. Was that, I can't remember. I know you're an owner. Yeah. I am an owner. I am an owner. Yeah.

You are an owner. Yeah. Um, but there was that moment where, you know, uh, the great Bob Bradley went over there and coach Swansea. I'm sure like fermented your American interest in the team. Yeah. I, uh, I think I've told you this before, but it's, it makes me like probably every, I don't know, like eight months.

Uh, I'll start getting tweets out of nowhere about Swansea and be like, what's going on? And then I'll look into it and it'll be like some message board will be like, you know, Liverpool has LeBron and we got this fat podcaster like that no one knows. And it's like, I, when I tell you, I own point. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, one percent. I think that's actually overestimating it.

So, um, they think I have control of anything. I do not. I would like them to go back up, but it's hard. It's, it does feel like the entire English soccer has gotten so, so good and so, so competitive. Do you sort of feel sometimes that you showed Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhaney the way to go a little bit with rexham, you let them into Wales and all of their success is really because of your trailblazing work

with Swansea. I think so. And I think, I think Mindy Kaling might own some of Swansea. She gets a lot of shit too. Um, it hasn't gone great. I'll say it right now. It hasn't gone great. So I hope they come back up.

What, uh, are we going to get a super league in soccer? Because we were, we're pro super league as a podcast. Oh, you are. Yeah. Great. That, that must be a really popular view amongst, uh, amongst your, your, your fans of the Premier League, uh, your English audience. Oh, you know, you're the name super league.

Yeah. We just like super league sounds great name. It's, it's the super league. Like there's nothing better than the super league and you obviously know us very well. Yeah. It's part of the Marvel part of the Marvel universe. Right.

And if we can find an angle, uh, to piss off the most people, uh, like, you know, fly into a debate and decide that we're going to, we're going to really strongly argue for one side that will make everyone mad super league. I mean, there's nothing better than it's literally in the name. It's the super. Quick side note, uh, Jarrod PK was a great, um, great Spanish footballer mostly known for, uh, I think being in a relationship with Shakira,

but he started something called the Kings League. And in the Kings League, they have a, they have a mystery player who comes on blindfolded or with a sort of a, a mask on who you don't know who it is, but it's meant to be a famous Spanish player who's not meant to be playing in the Kings League, but plays in the Kings League. See, for me, the super league needed more, more ideas like that. It needed ideas that would bust the old idea of, of, of soccer. They should have, they should have played it under different rules.

There should have been fighting allowed. There should have been, you know, I love those videos when you see, uh, from Japan where you see like three Japanese football professionals playing against, uh, a hundred Japanese school children. I think that would have been great super league action. There should have been a team just with a hundred Japanese school children going against the teams. Then I would have been, I'd have been more into it.

What they should have done. They should have had the players wear helmets and then you all have to line up across from each other. And then you can also have a forward pass and it's kind of like there's a rugby fry zone, but those are worth six points. Yeah. And then you can kick for the extra point. That would have been a good.

And what would you call that? What would you call that game? Oh, it's called football. Yeah. Oh, football. Yeah. It's still called football. Yeah.

So yeah, we're not changing the name. We're not reinventing the wheel. Why, by the way, football is called football. Because it's the best game ever. I don't know. Yeah. No, it's because sports in the 19th century were only played by gentlemen and they were only played by gentlemen on horseback.

So there was falconry and an equestrian sports and polo. And when they would ride back from their polo match and they'd ride back across the countryside, they would only join cavalry regiments where they could ride horses. They would ride back from their polo matches or from their cavalry outings and they would look down from upon their horses on the peasants running or kicking a pigskin bladder around the little villages and they would call those sneeringly football

games played by men on foot infantry men. So all games of football, I think what you're trying to say PFT is all games of football are somewhat related because they are working class peasant games that are sneered upon by the gentry. That's exactly what I was getting at. Yeah, you said more eloquently than I did, but that's what that's what I was getting at.

Also the Super League, if they really wanted to keep the game just, you know, okay, we'll keep it like soccer, but just make the goals worth more. That way it's got the illusion. So it's like three points for a goal. Yeah. Wow. That's great.

Chelsea then would have Chelsea would have had six points this season instead of instead of just one huge. So wait, is the Super League going to happen because it does feel a little similar to live golf where it's like we heard the rumblings and was like, no, it's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. Then it happened is I just can't believe that these guys that have more money than God had an idea got it shot down and

they're like, oh yeah, we'll we'll listen to the people. We won't do this again. I mean, the math that the equation is difficult because you're right on the one side, you've got sovereign wealth, nation states and hedge funds owning all of the teams and they don't like the pyramid of football where you can get relegated and go out of it. So that's one side.

So wealth wanting more money. They want to have a Super League of the biggest teams in Europe and the world playing against each other in the biggest markets, including America. And on the other side, you have FIFA and UEFA to almost James Bond villain like global organizations that exist to control football worldwide and keep it in its individual regions. And ultimately who is more corrupt?

I think is and that's difficult on on a on a weekly basis. I can argue one side of that equation is more corrupt and more powerful than the other side of the equation. What gets lost in the middle is unfortunately and always the sports fan, right? But look, if there were a Super League, it would destroy the fabric of football. And yet it would still be pretty good that so that those

unfortunately the moral arguments you keep on having to go to when you watch sport Qatar was an absolutely terrible place to have a World Cup. They never should have got a World Cup. Did I watch? Yes. Was it pretty good? Yes, it was pretty good.

Yeah, that's that. So we just just to pull the curtain back. We are not actually pro Super League. We like the way it works because fans like the idea that there's relegation and promotion and these stories that you get are so fantastic. And it's what the the climb of being a sports fan and why you put in all those hours.

That's like it's the beauty of the sport. So we don't want the Super League, but we also as sports fans know if there was a Super League game on, we'd watch it. And that unfortunately is like our Achilles heel that I think these super powerful rich guys know that if they put the two best teams on a Wednesday night, the whole world's going to watch. Yeah.

And that's sort of what happens and the market changes for sport. And I think over the last, you know, 10, 20 years since there's certainly since the evolution of the Internet and you know, high standards and training all these things that the world has got smaller and we're all watching the same sports like it was inconceivable. I'm sure to you too that you would be even knowing what's

happened in the Premier League, having a boss that's like making videos about the Premier League. Like it's a it's it's a really odd thing. The world is getting smaller. The sports world is getting smaller. Everybody wants to watch the same things. They want to watch the best in the world. And yes, it will continue.

And while there's huge amounts of money in the sport, the free market will march and extra beyond. But then there's FIFA and UEFA who control everything who are going to who are going to try to make it very difficult. Yeah. So I kind of know the story about why the Super League didn't end up happening this most recent time. But I think that there's a big difference between European

sports fans and American sports fans in terms of how they react to a situation like that. So if a team the NFL team moves the city, they fight to keep it best that they can. But there's no massive public demonstration or outrage or anything like that in Europe. The fans were very vocal and held giant demonstrations that somewhat swayed what what the future of the sport was going

to look like. What do you think the differences between European sports fans or gets just English sports fans in general and American sports fans? I mean, look, I think one of the things is is honestly you have to understand and only when when you go to Europe, do you realize how small it is? And one of the big things we hear from from American Premier

League fans who go over and and watch these teams play is they cannot believe how the stadiums are literally built into little, you know, little parts of the city literally surrounded by terraced housing on every single size. And I know that there are, you know, there are American sports teams who find themselves in downtown locations. But these sports teams are literally in the middle of neighborhoods is where they've they've put these teams.

They're not built on the outskirts of town with decent parking and a and a, you know, a Bojangles chicken, you know, in the just through the turnstiles. They are literally sitting in community. They are community clubs who over the course of, you know, more than a hundred years have become in the Premier League or or or elite sides. So I think the communities as there's been this globalization

and as the whole game has changed and the TV rights internationally are worth so much and if these teams have fans all over the world, I think people in the communities feel a great dissonance with how they follow their teams. Look, Manchester United are good again this season. They are winning and literally have protests at every single one of their games against their American owners, even as they have found a way to get back and win games.

I like the light aircraft rental industry around Premier League football games. The number of people who rent light aircraft and fly them over games with banners. It's been very good for the light aircraft banatowing industry. The number of protests that are held by fans. Yeah.

All right. So Michael Davies has been awesome. I've one last question. Everyone go watch Jeopardy Masters coming out May 8th. Very excited. I mean, we actually we had James James Jeopardy James on the show. So I'm going to be rooting for him.

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a tennis game tennis match. By the way, I met Roger Federer. I don't know if you he's kind of good, I guess. He's second best player ever. So go to Robert Jokovic. I don't know if you ever heard of him. Okay. Yeah.

I just wanted to know who you felt. I just I'm interested in your opinion. Yeah. No, that's my goat. It was actually a very it was a very interesting part of part of my take when I was fighting for Jokovic's right to be unvaccinated and go and play in Australia while also saying Aaron Rodgers should be in jail for misleading the

public about his vaccination status. Okay. You can listen to duality of man. You can you can find ways to twist your brain around a lot of things my last healthy debate healthy debate. Hashtag healthy debate. My last question is who wants to be a millionaire? The famous first time that a guy won it and he called his dad

and was like, yeah, he so for people don't know who wants to be a millionaire was a absolute hit. Like everyone in America was watching it. Yeah, someone finally gets there. He gets to the last question he calls his dad and instead of asking for a lifeline of, you know, and help on the question. He's like, I'm about to win a million dollars. Like I know the answer when you're watching that live.

Are you just like fist pumping in in in the, you know, truck being like this is the greatest moment of television that I've ever produced. It's really worth it. The YouTube clip of John Carpenter winning a million is is is outstanding. It was one of the greatest game show flexes of all time. Like literally pointing the outfield calling his dad to

tell him he's about to win a million dollars. In reality, what was going on in the control room as that moment was happening is I was trying to figure out because I thought there was a chance that he was going to win. I was trying to figure out what Regis Philbin was going to say when he won and you know, Regis didn't wear an earpiece. He didn't take any cues from cue cards. He had a messaging system in front of him on the computer

that I could send him a message that he would occasionally read. And I knew that this moment when John Carpenter won a million would be shown all around the world because there's no nobody had reached the question 15 the level 15 on the show and it was hit it exploded in like 15 countries by that point. And so I knew I had to have Regis say something and of course we'd rehearsed every single thing on the show, but

I hadn't rehearsed the moment that somebody wins a million dollars. And so I was desperately trying to figure out a way to get Regis had a say a line and figure out what the line should be and Dennis McMahon, who was our runner at the time was literally sweeping the control room. As I said, what is the greatest line in the history of sports that I can have Regis say because I knew what it would be

and in Britain, but in America, I didn't know and he said, Oh, the shot heard around the world. And I said, I thought that was the beginning of World War One or the Civil War. He goes, No, it was a revolution joke. He was making a joke. Yeah. No, it's a virus.

Yeah. So, um, yeah. So it's a, so I said shot heard around the world. So I, I literally wrote into the computer the final answer heard all around the world. I wrote it in caps and flashed it at Regis and had my producer Vinnie Rubino hold it in the side and try and send it to Regis. So I was just waiting to figure out if Regis would say that line.

And amazingly, he never looked at the screen when, um, if you watch the tape on YouTube, you see Regis leaning back going, wow, and then suddenly a flashing screen. You can actually see it almost reflected in his eyes and he takes the line and he actually said it. And it was, yeah, that was a phenomenal TV. That was the super league of, uh, of game show moments right there.

It really was. It was a fantastic, fantastic moment. I do think, um, like we were streaming and everything. Some of that TV that everyone is watching this one show and you know, everyone's watching it has been lost a little bit in culture and that might have been one of the last moments. Right. That was probably about 35 million people watching that episode.

Yeah. And it's weird. I mean, not to sort of turn this into a Jeopardy plug, but one thing that's been amazing about coming back to Jeopardy is that the only show on television that outrates Jeopardy is the NFL. Wow. There's the NFL, then Jeopardy, then every drama, every new

show, every comedy, everything else. And Jeopardy still has those moments and especially when you're watching the great ones play, um, that's still big broadcast television. And you know, all that's left is sports and Jeopardy really for me and TV has nothing else. And you guys to my healthy debate, healthy debate, healthy debate. Well, thank you so much, Michael.

We appreciate it. Good luck with the show and always great catching up with you. So happy for you guys. Speak to you later. Michael Davies was brought to you by hymns and hers. If you're experiencing hair loss or having issues getting hard in the bedroom, know that you're not alone.

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does it verify their safety or effectiveness. Okay. Good show, boys. Hank, you golfed on Friday. I did. How'd you do? I played well. It was a great time.

Yeah. The hands brought me out one of the one of the funner runs of golf ever played. He sent us a great video of Hank hard at work on Friday just driving like a mini motorcycle. It looks so much fun. All like down to golf fairway. PFT and I are going to go down there and play around with

Keith. You're not invited. That's rude. But well, I mean, I guess we got yours in. We had to get back and work and you got to I was down there working. Yeah. One entertaining clients.

Yeah. Game time activation. Hey, what happened on game three when the Max leave the bar? You guys were it was confusing. What happened? We were at a bar, got some incorrect information that the bar would have sound. It did have sound, but it was club music.

Oh, and the game ended and I was looking for Max and it was nowhere to be found for like an hour. Hour is a stretch. Yeah. And that I left the bar because I got a text from big cat that said I need to stay to the union for Max. So I have to go do the video also. Hey, my job after tonight's game ended.

You just left for a long time. It didn't say work. Big cat said don't talk. That's true. I did left and save for the show took a walk took a walk. We never even talked about the fact that you only be like put Grant Williams face through the center of the earth. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. They had him mic'd up after though. And Grant Williams is like, it's all good. Like that's good sportsmanship. It was the one time like a lot of these are not accents, especially when it's dream on green, but that one did feel accent like he didn't know that his face was right. And he didn't really step down.

It was like his head kind of pushed his head down. But you got a screenshot is the worst. Yeah, it's a bad visual. Yeah, it's a bad visual. But I think Grant Williams even said after the fact like, yeah, I kind of got curb stomped. Yeah. But at the same time, I could feel him let up with his foot

because he realized he was stepping stepping on human human head. It was the nicest curb stomping of all time. It's a gentleman's curb. It's gonna be a weird feeling when you try to try to step down and there's a human head under your foot. Yeah. Crunches. Oh, what the fuck is this?

Human head. Yes. It was like Phil Leotardo. You wouldn't get that Hank. Phil Leotardo got killed at the end of the Sopranos. He got run over by a car, right? In like slow motion. Yeah.

Like a second episode, something like that. What were you about to know? What? I'll talk. We'll talk off the record. No, what? Nothing's off the record here. It's it's a it's a work.

It's a future. Add deal thing. We're gonna be doing. Oh, yeah, we could do that. You're right. I had a conversation about it last week that I hadn't filled you in on. That would be fun to me. And I think we're gonna do that.

Maybe that would be fun. I'm so in. I'm so in. Surprise. Maybe the greatest show. I can't wait till we get to the part. You know, I'm not gonna do it for you because we're gonna rewatch it. I'm not gonna say it.

We can see. I've actually never watched it. Okay. I've just seen clips. Billy, you would like it. I know. Never seen it either. Really?

Really? That's just one scene. I think it's the last episode in the train station or they go to a toy train shop. Yeah. And then he was out of game. I called really. He's dead. He got shot in a train.

Yeah. How'd he go to the train store? He's been dead for fucking 15 years. Spoiler. Yeah, that's that's a bit. I knew that bit. I knew that bit. I actually never watched it by no all the serious plot twists because they've just been spoiled because I listened to the show.

Man, when Tony just like covers up Christopher's that's what I want to say. I'm not gonna say I want to do that to Billy so much. Okay. So reach over and just well, you've got a deviated septum. You basically do it yourself. That's true. Yeah. Just put one tissue up like a bulldog with a tennis ball in his mouth.

Max would hate you. Max, you that we're not that that was bullshit. You don't like dogs. I love dogs. How many times do you have to talk about? Brody Smith was in the in the YouTube chat of the sportsbook stream today and Max was like shout out. I love all birdies, but that that's for me. Max, what's your favorite dog?

Black Lab. A lot of bulldogs on the Eagles. That's true. Sure. Love them. Yeah. I'll go. You should have said I'll go.

I'll go. Did memes do the meme that was Brody's like thought bubble being like he woke up next to me and he won't even pet me. That was funny. Shout out memes. Shout out memes. All right. He also did something with the Sixers and the girl says, who are you? Max had a sleepwalking story.

Okay. Hank, have you ever gotten this? Nope. Got a lot of recommendations. I'll tell you that much this weekend. Seventy nine. Whoa. I think I was PST.

No, I think Hank got me. I think Hank has informed me that he is officially committed to 17 forever. So let's hope he gets it every time. Check the audio. You an episode. Yep. That's me. Oh, you sure?

Yeah. All right. I'll go six. No, Hank got me. All right. I'll admit it. I'll go six. We got to get, we got a 99.

We got to block him. Start blocking him. 99. What? I can't have you get it on 17. Yeah, it would. That would actually kill me. Knowing your plan.

I don't, I root for everyone to get it every day. False. Fact or fiction. No, you do not. You never root for anyone because you want to get it. No, I'm for the boys. I want everyone to be happy. A bigger lie has never been told in the history of part of my take.

Oh, maybe. You know what? If that's the case, then we should get double numbers. So PFT and Hank both have 17. No. Yeah. Do you want you want me to get it? All right.

What is so good of you? Hank, you're rooting for the boys, right? God, if we only got a half. I'll be rooting for you. You're rooting for me. 17 all around. Around the 17s. All right.

99. PFT. Yeah. If Hank won't let me share 17. All right. I'll go six. Billy's 69. Jake 18.

Yeah. 69. Max. 20. This would be awesome if you won't do 76 from 77. Nah, 20. 69 is so dear. 62.

Back to back. Whoa. Well, no. Friday's show. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Jack.

Damn. Damn. If you believe me, you could have. Hide for the lead. You could have. You could have easily. 62, hide for the lead. Yeah, 47, 50, 52, 62, 64.

Five ways. How many do they have? 62. 90. 90. Damn. I might have to start doing 62. They've gotten Hank so easy just to do it.

Hank, if you would pick 62 every time you'd have nine wins. Nine. Instead you haven't, so you have zero. Has 17 ever been? There's no worse than whatever. How many times has 17 been picked? 17 four times. Most recently.

That's amazing. Most recently, March 28, 2021. Oh, it's been a long time. Long time. No fucking shit. Yeah. Two out of three shows. Yeah.

November 5, 2020. February 18, 2021. February 23, 2021. And then March 28, 2021. So three in that one month stretch and then. Yes. This doesn't count. It's cold street.

Love you guys. William. Google powder pigeons. Just look up powder pigeons. The funniest thing ever. That is a fucked up pigeon. Yeah. If I saw that pigeon, I would kick it.

If I saw walking on the street, I would kick that pigeon. On site. I'm coming for you. I'm coming for you. I'm coming for you. I'm coming for you. I'm coming for you. I'm coming for you.

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