Pardon My Take - Mike Florio And Week 2 Of The NFL

Episode Date: September 17, 2018

Week 2 of the NFL and the Fastest 2 minutes (2:20 - 7:26). All the kickers sucked at the same time. Patrick Mahomes is electric (7:26 - 9:45). Vontae Davis retired at halftime (9:45 - 12:16). Are we really doing this Ryan Fitzpatrick thing? The Bills and Cardinals suck and what's wrong with the Steelers (12:16 - 26:12). Football guy of the week led by Coach O being the best Coach ever (26:12 - 36:05). Who's back of the week including Suicidal Big Cat because the Badgers suck again (36:05 - 46:11). Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio joins the show to talk about Josh Gordon, Ryan Fitzpatrick starting a QB controversy in Tampa Bay, and who is on the hot seat after Week 2 (46:11 - 70:46). Segments include Great Visual for Skip Bayless, Uhhh Ya Think for Kevin Durant, and Monday Readings "Nick Saban Is Overrated". You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

Hey, pardon my take listeners. You can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen, ad-free, on Amazon Music. On today's part of my take, we have the return of Mike Florio. We haven't had him on him for a long time, so we got a lot to talk about. NFL Week 2, what's going on with Josh Gordon. Vante Davis retired.

What's up with this fantasy team? We're going to try to get him to say that. And we have our week 2 recap. Another tie. Another crazy week in the NFL. Little college football talk. Coach O is saying fuck you to the haters. And we have a who's back of the week.

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Blaine Gabbard is back at quarterback. Yes, I read my notes correctly. Blaine Gabbard is back at quarterback. Marcus Mario Kart was out after slipping on a banana peel last week. But Great Dane, Crookshank, the Texans defense, and Mike Vrabel. Yes, that same Mike Vrabel from Bill Belichick's football factory has his first win as a head coach. Titans 20, Texans 17.

Whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop. Off to Pittsburgh, as Casey and Chuchu put on a show. And all my life, Andy Reed has been waiting for someone like Pat Mahomes. Travis Parker Kelsey was doing all the small things right. And number seven took his time and hurried up. Please tell Ben this is not his fault. Damn it, Steelers fans have to be sick to their stomach. Well, I guess this is throwing up.

It's only week two. But if you blinked, the Steelers have done a 182 degree turn from last year. Chase 42. Steelers 37. Third, not good luck. Got him. They say a tie is like kissing your sister. But they never said anything about kissing your cousins.

Kirk, that is. The Vikings went to the Frozen Tundra. Where an injured Air Rogers wasn't Adam feeling his knee at all. Couple doo-doo-doo's will have that effect. You know, the doo-doo-doo's from Canada. You gave me that nice pop. You get the pop. The doo-doo-doo's.

Yeah, the doo-doo-doo's. Ah, Vikings kicker Dan Hot Carlson took a crap on every Viking fans chest. When he missed three kicks, I could have won the game. In the Chinese calendar, it's the year of the dog. In the American football calendar, it's the year of Donovan McNabb. Vikings 29. Packers also 29. Nice job, you fucking kickers.

Wait, boom. Yeti, it's another tie. Yeah. We go down to the big easy as the Browns missed two field goals and a PAT. Nice job, you fucking kicker. A Browns win comes once every 75 years. And Haley's vomit was about to spew his beignets from Café Dumont all over the sidelines. Drew Fleece was itching for a victory.

And Sean Payton wanted his quarterback so he could spit it on the Camara go round. Michael Thomas the Tank Engine was diversifying the Saints offense, catching passes like Terri Reed, catching beads at Mardi Gras. The beer coolers in Cleveland stayed locked for another week as the Saints weren't busy bug-lighting up the wind column. Saints go rushing, 21-18. Bumble! We head to Atlanta where the dirty birds meet the pussycats in a battle for the NFC South.

Matt's saving private Ryan was able to find four brothers in the Red Zone for touchdowns as Colonel Steve Sarkeesian avoids getting dishonorably discharged for at least one more week. Gary Tevin Coleman asked what you're talking about willingness to run the football as he scratched through the Panthers defense for 107 yards in a huge game. K-M-I-M is stuck eating green eggs in a loss after this one. Falcons 31, Panthers 24. Standing on the corner, Jamies Winston Tampa Florida, such a fine sight to see. It's a beard, my lord, getting ready to soar to the top of the NFC.

Come on, Fitzy, you're looking glitzy. And your Harvard swag is hopping on the defensive glitzy. The Bucks win again, 27-21. In hot and humid Jacksonville we go. Pray for the sweaters out there as the temperatures reach 90 plus and kick off. Little tip from the swamp. If you wear a Hawaiian and sing eagles, your sweat goes from gross to funny real fast. Keel and Cole under pressure shine like a diamond as Blake Placid Bottles

asked the haters, do you believe in miracles? Throwing four touchdowns on the way to a victory. Somewhere my former colleague Trent Dillford is asking, is this the end of the Patriots dynasty? Well Trent, I have a little song lyric for you. Maggie, I wish I'd never seen your face. I'll get on back home one of these days. It makes absolutely no sense, buddy. Shut up, teach. Jaguar's 31, Patriots 20.

We finish in western Buffalo as the San Diego Super Chargers walked into Ralph Wilson to square off with Josh Allen and his big Buffalo wing. Melvin flash Gordon's superpowers were so insurmountable, they literally made Bonte Davis retire at halftime. Josh Ray Allen and his unlimited range asked Bill's fans, when you masturbate, think about your tongue or your clit and switching back and forth from my dick to my tongue. Bill's fans are not available to comment on account of drunkenness.

It's looking Blake and Buffalo. But just remember, no one circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bill's. All right, week two in the books and we had a crazy week two. Another tie, another tie. The kickers were the story of week two. We had 19 missed kicks. The Browns missed another kick. An important kick.

They actually missed three kicks. The Packers, Vikings game. Dan Carlson missed three kicks. He missed an important one obviously and overtime to win the game. Mason Crosby missed a kick. By the way, Skip Bills, did you see this? He's been on fire. He did the Bill Belichick more like Smelichick.

That's pretty good. We're going to get to more about some Instagram work. He had a busy weekend on social media. But he had this. This is our favorite because this is not only a King State Kings, but a Skip Bills still fucking that chicken. Mason Crosbar made a 56 yarder and a 51 yarder to beat the Cowboys in that playoff game. But naturally he missed the game winner from 52 after his first successful kick

was wiped off by a Vikings timeout. Skip's like a character in like a horror movie that just, he like pauses in a still frame and his mind flashes backwards. He's on an acid trip to that one playoff game. Mason Crosbar. He will never forget that one kick by Mason. Hey, little tip Skip, how about missing Crosby? It's right there in front of your face.

That's a good one. You're better than that Skip. So we had, so the kickers were the big story of the week, but we also have, and I wrote this down, I think this is the first time we've gotten to week two because usually you can tell almost instantly, OK, these teams definitely suck. And these teams are going to definitely be good.

I actually only have two teams that definitely suck on the list. So it's the Bills, the Cardinals. Yes. And that's it. Like even the Steelers who are now 0-1-1 got, I mean, their defense looked terrible against Patrick Mahomes. You still would say the Steelers are going to be there at the end of the year, even the Texans that are 0-2.

You still say that the, like to Sean Watson, even though he had maybe the, like the lowest situational awareness I've ever seen a player have when he ran past the line of scrimmage, and then back behind the line of scrimmage to try to throw a ball when he had 17 seconds, all he needed is a field goal. Even they, I would say, are still going to be in the conversation later in the year. Well, you know what it is. It's a pumpkin season.

So this is the time of year where you keep waiting for teams to turn back into a pumpkin. So they kept flashing that stat, like, you know, 0-2 teams make the playoffs at like a clip of, what, 15% something like that? I don't know, they played it like a million times. I should probably know the exact number by now. Yes. But there are so many teams out there that I'm like, they're a pumpkin, but they're not turning back in yet.

They're just staying out past their bedtime. They're missing curfew. Even the Lions, who are 0-2, they took my, I basically challenged all their manhood and I said, hey, you quit on Matt Patricia. They said, no, we didn't, big cat. We're going to show out for our coach and credit to Matt Patricia for turning his hat around and actually looking like a real head coach. They, I would say, their season's not over yet.

You and Colin Cowherd are the two forefront experts on hat-saber metrics in America. He likes to go in on Kaepernick, on Romo, on Matt Stafford. It's a longtime tradition of his. But yeah, they look better. The Browns are, I guess the Browns are okay. No, they're frisky. They're frisky. They're frisky.

And you know what? Every single Browns loss hits a little bit harder after hard knocks. It really does. Like I keep, I was rooting for them. I was standing up in my living room screaming at them for them to make that last field goal, which everybody knew that they were going to miss. Of course. But they're one of those teams that they're not back into a pumpkin yet.

They could have won both of those games. Todd Haley has my daughter out in his Camaro. And you know Todd Haley is not coming back before he absolutely has to. No, absolutely not. They're going to stay in. I think the Browns are actually going to be, be careful here. The wind is striking distance.

Be careful here. What you said. Well, we already said that they're going to win the division. Be careful. Because you've got to go knee-jerk. Last week on this show, you said that Todd Bowles was the top 10 coach after one win. No, no. I still think that Todd Bowles is the top 10 coach.

Okay. Everybody knows the Dolphins always play the jet stuff. Yeah. Everyone knows that. You think Josh Gordon could have helped them win that game? Yes. Maybe. Josh Gordon, we're going to get some inside information from Mike Florio.

I mean, I'll give you the, I'll, you want me to just give you the inside information right now? They're bringing broken row back back. They need the roster spot. Oh yeah, exactly. Josh Gordon is going to be interesting to see where he goes. And I like that the Browns have decided that they are now in a position of power and being like, we're not going to trade them to an AFC team.

I don't think you have a choice, Browns. Well, what happened was John Dorsey said we're going to cut them. Right. And then it's, it's in total like, it's a foreign concept for the Browns to have a player that's so talented that other teams might want them. They're just used to like cutting their guys and not having to worry about trading. But, and then he was like, oh, shit. When he's playing, this might be like a top three guy in the league.

So I guess other people want them. And if you're anything like me, your first reaction was the fucking Patriots are going to get them. Yeah, probably. Yeah. He'll probably be great for him. Yeah. But yeah, it's foreign, foreign for the Browns.

Cause the Browns usually trade their first round pick from two years ago for a seventh round pick. Yeah. And so this is like, Or like they give up. Yeah. A player to get them. They're like paid the Texans to take on Brock.

That was a great move. That was a great move. Yeah. So it was a great financial move. How's Brock doing? He's down in Miami, right? I don't know where he is. He's a winner.

I thought he was back in Denver. Well, he's going to be back in Denver at some point. I think he's in Denver now. He's in Miami. No, he's in Miami. But he's like, he's like a college kid. He's just going to find his home around like the holidays. He'll come back to his laundry.

Have John Elway like. He's in Miami. He'll wash all his clothes for him. He'll be back in Denver. Tana Hill's looking good. So the big question though, coming from week two, it's a question that we all have to ask ourselves, are we really going to do this Ryan Fitzpatrick thing again?

Oh yeah. Because not only did he win again, beat the Super Bowl champion Eagles, but he also revealed like the swaggiest look a Harvard man has ever had. Yeah. And he's got, he looks like Conor McGregor, a beefier Conor McGregor. I'd like to apologize for absolutely fucking nothing. He's got chains. He's got the beard.

He's got the chest hair popping. I don't know what's going on with Ryan Fitzpatrick, but I am ready. Much like Case Keenum last year where we had to ask ourselves many times, Case Keenum, are we really doing this? Ryan Fitzpatrick, if he wins week three, how can they sit him? I don't think that they can bring James back anyways. Like the, the rapport he's got with the Sean Jackson. Sean Jackson loves him, by the way.

He gave him his clothes afterwards. They did a little wife swap with his outfit. Oh, that's how. That's why it looks so swaggy because that was the Sean Jackson outfit. And then the offense alignment like him. You saw him do the little Eskimo kiss with the, with the beard before the game. That was cool. That's the one thing that I'm really missing out on by not being able to grow a beard is

not, I can't walk out to my good friends and just rub my chin on them. Just share lice with each other. Yeah. Yeah. That's a big miss. Patrick Mahomes, thank God I got on the right side of history before week two because he is trying to tell you read is like, this is, I hope Andy Reed someday wins a Super Bowl. And if he does it with Patrick Mahomes, it's going to be so electric.

This is Andy Reed season. We are in the middle of primary season before it gets like past the holidays. He gets fat from Thanksgiving. They need to hibernate through like a bear. It's right after the. December and January. He, Andy Reed always wins the game after his buy and everyone says Andy Reed always wins the game after his buy.

And then it starts the fourth quarter of the season where Andy Reed starts to panic and not realize how, what, what to do with the clock. That's when everything falls apart. You want to talk about a swag. Andy Reed had some swag about him today. Yeah. He went with the, the half sleeve baggy shirt. I don't know even what you call that.

It's a jacket, but it's just a half sleeve. Yup. He looks great in that. He got a little sun. His face was like just as red as his shirt was. Yeah. The sun or a few too many cocktails. It might have been a couple of my ties.

Yeah. Right. I was going to say. Couple of those famous Pittsburgh Dakarys. Yeah. We have. Andy Reed in Pittsburgh in general. That's the city that.

Yeah. He meant for each other. Yeah. He was pretty much born there. Yeah. He was like, I'm pulling the old John Kruck. John Kruck did this, but John Kruck actually told everyone that he was going to do this beforehand.

Vante Davis told no one. He, at halftime, he was like, okay, so we're down 28 to six. We're getting the shit kicked out of us. I have five million guaranteed this season. Yeah. I'm just going to pack my shit and leave and send out a tweet later saying that I retired. Yeah. Listen.

When you know, you know, that's what they always say with a veteran like that. He, I guarantee he like made plans with, with his wife the night before. And she was like, don't you have a game tomorrow? He was like, let's go out for lunch tomorrow. She's like, don't you have a game? He's like, I think I can get out of it. Late lunch. Late lunch.

It is, it's going to be a long season for Bill's fans. I want to, we, everyone knows that we love Bill's fans and especially we love Josh Allen. And he had a couple of throws today that were, uh, that showed off the Josh Allen rocket arm, but when you have a player retiring at halftime of a game because you're getting the shit kicked out of you so bad, that's a long season coming. This is week two. That's a long six. Like this isn't week 15.

Like, okay, I'm going to pack it up. I, you know, I, I have a bunch of nagging injuries. This is week two. Vonte Davis didn't even play week one. Right. He played half. He was ready to go, you know, into the sunset. Well, my theory is that he just saw, he saw the writing on the wall when he has to go

up against Josh Allen every day of practice. He's like, that's going to be a long season. This guy's going to be torturing me. He didn't want any part of that. Yup. It's going to be a big embarrassment for him. I put the blame squarely on the shoulders of head coach Sean McDermott for removing the ping pong tables and the locker room.

And I mean, if you're Vonte Mack, it's like, what do you even have to do? Vonte Davis. Sorry, Vonte Davis. Yes. What do you even have to play for at that point? Right. This is also reminiscing. Vonte Mack, no matter what.

That was from draft day. Yeah. You literally don't forget it. I don't. Yeah. This is reminiscent of Kyle Orton as well when he retired and he told the press in Buffalo came to his locker room asking about his retirement. He said, hold on.

I got to grab something from my truck and then just left and didn't come back. Yeah. Vonte Davis should have just, he should have told his coach, I'm going to go to the store and get some cigarettes and milk. I'll be right back. Yeah, exactly. I got to go see about a girl. Yeah.

And then just boom. End of movie. Hank, you ready to talk about the most impressive performance from week two? Yeah, by far. Blake Bortles. Ever heard of him? The people's quarterback, the man who gets unnecessary hate from all types of media except for this podcast, four touchdowns, 377 yards was doing the full Blake effect running, passing.

It was awesome. He was happy. His bald spot was popping. Yeah. It was great to see Blake in his element and I'm very happy for him. I'm extremely happy for Blake. The spin moves he was putting on out there, just ridiculous. Yup.

It was like, who needs Leonard Fnett when you've got Blake out there running the rock. Are you ready, Hank, to do the, everyone freaks out about the Patriots, even though everyone knows they'll probably be in the ASC championship game no matter what. Oh, it's coming. I'm excited for it. I mean, I was happy for Blake. The Patriots always lose these games in September. It doesn't, it never, it never matters.

Coley told the stat that Tom Brady is one in six lifetime when temperatures are over 90 degrees. Oh, okay. So put the Super Bowl in Mexico. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm in.

Yeah. So are you ready to freak out? No, I got another stat from a, this is from Tim Wheeling on Twitter said the last three years and once the Patriots reached the Super Bowl, they lost by double digits within the first four weeks. Listen, if you are, if you are a media member or someone who freaks out like this is the end of the Patriots, you are a fucking idiot because the, it is now happened. Like Hank just said many, many times and you can't fall for it over and over.

That's literally one of the first things that I said when I came into the office though. I go, is this going to be the end of the Patriots' time? Because everyone's just sitting there waiting salivating for it. But you, if you fall for the trap at this point, you are the dumbest person in the world because it's, it's like one of those situations. So I'm falling for it. It's kind of like LeBron. Like when is LeBron going to stop winning the East?

Well, he'll stop winning the East when he goes to the Lakers and not a moment sooner. I'm all in on it. He's not going to lose in the East when he's in the East. I think this is the year that the, the Dolphins win the AFC. I can't even say what it is. See? Yeah. Exactly.

I tried. I tried to play it. It's the best thing to try to do. Yeah. The Patriots could honestly win the division going seven and nine probably. Yeah. I will say if anyone was going to dethrone Bill Belichick from the AFC, it would be Blake Portals.

Which would be so hilarious. Yeah. He did say he's one of the, one of the best quarterbacks because of how he can run and throw. Here's one thing that you can take away from it. Absolutely though. The Jaguars defense is going to be for real. Oh yeah.

Rob Grunkow, you can look at what happened with Rob today. Okay. So that's like the Canary in a coal mine for how good of a defense is. They shut down Rob Grunkowski. Oh yeah. They absolutely shut him down. Like that defense is scary. Yes.

Absolutely. I mean, the only thing that will stop them is, is injury at this point in terms of defense and that they will be there while the refs like last year in the AFC championship. Okay. So we need to talk about the refs as well because, and we'll bring this up with Mike Florio, but the new roughing the passer rule where it's the body weight rule. Now I know Packer fans are going to be like, wow, we should have won that game. Clay Matthews body weight rule.

No, you should have won that game because Mike McCarty is a fucking idiot. He doesn't know how to work the clock at the end of the game and had two pass plays when you could have made Minnesota burn timeouts. So don't do that. But the rule is bullshit because Clay Matthews clearly like, if you can't tackle a quarterback anymore, I don't know what, I don't know what they do with football. Well, Kirk Cousins is just such an innocent looking guy that anytime you hit him, you're like, that can't be fair.

Right. Like he's shorter too. Yeah. He's shorter now. He's listening to creative headphones. He's an awesome guy. That was total horseshit, but I don't know what you're supposed to do if you're a defensive player.

Like if you, if you're trying to hit the quarterback, I think my theory was you could like puke in midair to get most of your body weight, like, or get rid of some body weight before you land on him. It was even worse because Clay Matthews actually, and I hate to defend the package, but Clay Matthews put his arm out to actually brace his body weight and they still called it. I think that's just a Clay Matthews. Is that a reputation call? Yeah.

That's a reputation call. Absolutely a reputation call. Not what I'm saying. Clay Matthews is a dirty player. We're going to go with that one. Yeah. I think it's more because the problem with the Green Bay Packers is, uh, they got rid of their fullback.

So Rupkowski was a great player and this is kind of karma butting in the ass for that. Yes. The last note that I wrote down, uh, the Falcons, the Falcons finally played their best game of the 2017, 2018 season, four touchdowns in four red zone trips. I don't know what Steve Sarkeesian was drinking. Don't answer that. Yeah. But he had him humming.

Don't get, don't get Josh Gordon down there. That's all I'm going to say. And they all put the two of them in a room. You remember that they drafted a wide receiver with their first round pick, Calvin Ridley. So credit to the Falcons. I think this is finally the time that Matt Ryan makes a leap from the ninth best quarterback in the league to the eighth best quarterback. So he's at the bottom of the top tier now.

Yes. Still. Yes. Correct. But just shitty enough to not be at the, he's like, he's upper, lower, middle class. It actually, now that I'm thinking about it, the Mendoza line, you know, Mendoza line in baseball, it's just the Phillip Rivers line. Would you take, would you take said quarterback over Phillip Rivers?

If you would, then he's an elite quarterback. If you wouldn't, then he is a sucky quarterback. Yeah. Phillip Rivers straddles that line perfectly. I like that. One week, he's the best and he looks unbelievable and the next week it's like, what the hell is Phillip Rivers? The high watermark of the rivers.

Yes. I like that. That's what we'll call it. It's a Phillip Rivers line. Yeah. So ask yourself that. If you have a quarterback and you want to know if your quarterback is elite, ask yourself, would you trade them in a, in a must win game for Phillip Rivers tomorrow?

Okay. Cam Newton, you see the shot that he took today? Yeah. Holy shit. He got pummeled. So just give the ball to Cam Newton every single time that it's like third and four and just say run straight forward. And yeah, run straight forward and make your head as big as possible because someone will

go after it. Yeah. And so, well, why don't they throw a flag on Cam Newton? Yeah. You could say that he provoked it. That's true. By floating the big pumpkin head of his guy. Yeah.

He's just, it's just a big bobble head walking around ready to get hit. He does get hit more than any other quarterback. He gets hit so much. Yeah. It's the shack rules. Yeah. Um, are we ready to say that the Niners are back? Are they good again?

I think letting the Lions back in that game makes me pause. I'm going to pause for a second. I do, I did like what I saw out of, I mean that deep, that offense is so hard to defend and then the line, especially when you don't have a defense like the Lions do, but it's, I feel like every single play is the same. It's a rollout and Jimmy G has one option and then he just looks back and there's another option like half way back on the field and it's the 30 yards down that's wide open every single play.

That's like Kyle Shanahan's thing. Yeah. I mean, he's been a bootleg and he's split. He like cuts the field in half. Yeah. There's four guys that are just all running like basically the same route at different lengths and they're all open. Matt Patricia kept being like, come on, when is this going to get back to like the Super

Bowl play calling? Right. Where, where you just forget about your good players. Right. So I'm going to, I'm going to circle them. I think they are, they, they are exactly kind of what I expected. Their defense isn't all the way there yet, but Jimmy G, I'm no longer in my fraud pile, which I was, that was a knee jerk reaction.

Yeah. I think they're, they're just bad enough to make all the people that chose them as their dark horse look bad, which that's fine. That's all I wanted out of this team was for them not to prove like the big group think correct. Yeah. And I didn't see, I didn't watch to see how Joe Staley played, but I'm assuming he sucked. Yeah.

He got, he did the fake spin move on him again. Yeah. You see that? Like three times. Defense stinks. And you got, you got, you got, you got got again, Joe McGlinchey, by the way, that dude is huge. I, I like when we're, that's one of those things where we sat next and we interviewed

him and I kind of lost track of how big he was. Yes. But when you see him on the field around other huge guys, you're like, that is just like, that's just a mountain of dude. Yeah. Yeah. He was born to football. He was born, he has a football name.

He was born to play football. Mike McGlinchey, offensive tackled Notre Dame was written on as incubator when he was a baby. Yes. Exactly. So that is week two. Anything else we missed? Anything else we want to talk about?

Anyone? How did everyone's fantasy team do? The Rams are boringly good. Yeah. Well, the Cardinals are very, very bad. The Cardinals are awful. Yes. And is it time for Josh Rosen?

Watching the Rams not have a kicker and basically playing Chip Kelly football all afternoon where they had to go for two and then they brought in Johnny Hecker, a recurring guest who actually kicked a field goal. So I love that. I love nothing else than watching like position players kick one, especially on the day that everyone missed field goals. He hit a field goal. Yeah.

So that was a very nice wrinkle. What's your prediction for tonight, Daniel? I think the Bears, as I said, not a need, not me overreacting to the loss against the Packers. I called it the most important game in franchise history. And as such, I think they will win because Brian Erlacher's getting, I think he's getting a ring or something at halftime. So that's, they're not going to lose.

I was like, they lose the season over. No. Well, it's only franchise over actually. He said it's the most important thing. I was, I was actually like, I was all in on what big cat was saying until he justified it with the most big cat reason of all time, which is, yeah, Erlacher's getting into the ring of fame. So they're not going to lose that one.

I'm curious. The crowd's going to be insane. The crowd. Yeah. What are you talking about? That's exactly, that's a, that's a difference right there. Yeah. I think the Bears are going to win.

I'm eager to see Carson run for a shitload of yards, as I predicted. Not on that defense. Yeah. Let's just see if Mitch can throw a left. That's all I'm looking for. That's what I'm going to have my eyes peeled for the entire night. Okay. Let's do our football guy of the week.

We have a star studded cast. We actually, we're not going to nominate Coach O because I don't think that he wanted this video to get out, but it got out because one of his players pulled a Pittsburgh stealer move and Antonio Brown move and periscoped his post game locker room speech, which is obviously very impassioned because it is coach O. They had an awesome win on the planes against Auburn and he said, fuck him to, I assume the haters. Yeah. It was the haters.

This is directed at all the haters. Yeah. Of which there are many. So it could be the national media. It could be the people that signed the petition to free Mike the tiger. Who knows who it could be, but, but I was shocked for, I, I for one am disappointed that football coaches use profanity. Yes.

That's disgusting. This is, I'm going to enjoy the hell out of this little run the LSU is going on because album is very, very good. And we have a Monday reading about it. They're wagon, but LSU like coach O the entire talk about the SEC was coach O's joke. He's not going to, the LSU is going to be bad this year. You hired an interim. Uh-uh.

No, this is. Let me tell you something. That coach O can coach. Do you think that when they were explaining the periscope thing, coach O was like, well, they actually put a periscope, people were looking at my locker room. I knew that was fine. I knew that was something. Well, he definitely was very confused when that was brought to his attention.

Yeah. But no, that, that victory was awesome. Yeah. It was so cool to see them win in the last second. And then the little like chest bump that he did with the cop as they were on there. Oh yeah. That's a midfield. He was ready to wrestle that cop in the middle of the stadium.

Yeah. And the cop was like into it. Yeah. He's like, let's go. Yeah. Coach O just like his enthusiasm is contagious. That's how it's. Yeah.

Some people shake hands. Some people do high fives. Coach O just like puts his bare paw on your shoulder and tries to wrestle you. Yeah. Exactly. Let's just wrestle right here. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. So first up, we have BC. I think he's linebackers coach Ricky Brown. So this clip and we'll tweet it out with this, BC made a big tackle against Wake Forest and he came like a bat out of hell running full speed on the sideline and essentially tackled his own player just because he was so excited about the play. Yeah. He's super amped up for it.

Yes. And why not? Yeah. Like I like that. I actually think that if you're going, if there's going to be one position coach that should be allowed to do that as a linebacker. Absolutely. It was funny.

He did an Oklahoma drill against his own player. Yeah. That is when your passion for the game becomes so like it peaks to such a level that you almost hurt your own players. That's the truth. It's a football guy. Mark, a football guy. Yes.

Next up, we had Georgia State coach who tore his bicep fist pumping against, this happened last week. NC State, they were up seven to nothing at the beginning of the game. He fist pumped tore his bicep. Yeah. State in the game. I don't think that's a football guy move. Really?

I think it's too much celebration. Okay. Yeah. But you celebrate so hard that you hurt yourself. That's kind of a. That's nice. You hurt yourself because you were trying to keep your like players and coaches from running past the sideline.

If you were mad at your own players for celebrating too much and you were pointing at them to get back because it's still the first quarter and that's how you tore your bicep and that's a football guy move. Okay. I still don't get me wrong. I like his enthusiasm. I'm looking at the guy right now and he's, it may all make sense because he's got a face where it looks like he's going to have a stroke from yelling so hard.

So no duh that he tore his bicep fist pumping. I want to see more effort. He should have used his tricep. Yeah. We next up have another recurring and got it. Thanks. I got it. We, we have a Pat Fitzgerald, another recurring guest who said that RPO is the purest form

of communism. So he's sick of RPOs. He's sick of run past options. He says he doesn't understand how offensive linemen can be downfield and be blocking downfield like while you're, while you're handing off and everything like that. So he is, I don't understand what he's saying. RPO and communism kind of don't really make sense together. Well, but it's also great football guy because it's like history books stopped in the Cold

War. So it's RPO bad. What else is bad? Communism is bad. Right. Credit to him for not calling it Nazism. Right. Like that's, that's one step further, more advanced than I thought he would go with it.

But I guess like the spread of communism, you have your downfield blockers like domino theory. I guess. I don't know what it is. The bottom line is he doesn't like it. No, he doesn't like it. It's bad. You know what?

I almost wish he had gone with Mickey Mouse. I wish he had said like, this is some Mickey Mouse offense. Yeah, Mickey Mouse. I don't like it. Yeah. Okay. And then last thing. They're getting cute.

That was, that was actually a big point of conversation around college football and the NFL this weekend. A lot of announcers saying they're getting too cute with it instead of just running the football down the throat. Yeah. Just run the football. Anytime you have misdirection in your offense, you're just getting cute because you don't think you can beat them hat on a hat.

Yeah. Miss the days of hat on the hat football. Okay. This last one, this one is, I like this one the most. I'm not trying to, you know, change the votes here, but pit tight ends. You never do that. Oh, okay. Well, Hank, you and I as people, as two members of winning Mount Rushmore summers, we stick

together. That's true. I came in second place both times. I don't know if that's true. I'm just saying it consistently. Pit tight end coach Tim Salem, the man who opens Mountain Dew and leaves it in the fridge overnight to enjoy it flat the next morning. He has not left the team facility since arriving early Sunday morning after Penn State loss.

So they lost to Penn State and he just stayed in the team facility for days on end. Yeah. It's called sitting Shiva. Yeah. Well, and he also said, they asked him why. And he basically was like, I don't want to get nagged by my wife. He said, I'd still, if you had won that game, would you still be there? He said, I'd still be here when I go home late at night.

It's honey. Can you change the light bulb? Can you move this out of the garage? No, I don't want to change. No light bulbs. I'm not moving nothing in the garage. So I don't want to go home. I don't have to do that stuff.

The honey to do list is gone because I'm right. Not there. This is my sanctuary right here. You've got to try it. It will work. I just don't go home ever. I think you just need to have a divorce, dude. Yeah.

Sounds like he's just very, very unhappy with this. Yeah. This is, I guess maybe now I'm reading this may not be football guy week. It might just be time, time to have an honest conversation with your wife. Time to move on. Yeah. Time to have those conversations. That's true.

That's true. They just deal with it. He's like, I hate going home. Every time my wife is like, hey, can you remove the lead based paint? We've got asbestos in the baby's room that needs to be taken care of. And I'm like, Jesus, just let me coach football. Yeah. Let me just sit here for 18 hours and then sleep.

He also said a little part of you dies every time you lose a football game. That's fair. Yeah. I think that's actually true. Absolutely. We talk about Trump's battery theory where he thinks that the human body has a finite amount of energy. Yeah.

You have to like, I guess, just like chill out a lot and not exercise and you live a lot longer. Yes. I agree with that. I think that, you know, if you lose too many football games, you just end up dying. Name one coach in NFL history that has never died. I actually don't know if Bill Bowie will check whoever died. Every coach will die.

Not every coach truly lives. Yeah. Yeah. And then some die on the field. Yeah. Which is actually very, very true. True football guy. Okay.

I think that was an honorable mention for football guy that week. But I agree with you. I think, okay. Yeah. I'm going to go with pits tight end coach on that one. Yeah. I like that too. We'll put up the vote app.

Pardon my take. Follow and vote. Is Chip Kelly an honorable football guy? For? For making his team practice during the game. He had his players doing like jumping jacks and like little mini wind sprints and calisthenics on the sideline because they weren't giving enough effort. I think that just is a shitty team.

He's 0-3. First time, 0-3. He's ever started a season, 0-3 in all his coaching. And I don't know if having them, I feel like having your team practice like a JV baseball move. Well, it's like being, that plays when you're three and O and you play that let down game against, you know, Samford or Kennesaw state and you're like, okay, the guys aren't focused. We're going to make the, instead of halftime, we're up by 45, but they're not focused and

at halftime we're going to make them practice. Not when you're 0-3 and you actually need every bit of energy that you have to try to win this football. He's also had a lot of injuries. So he's taken the game that he's losing probably because he doesn't have a lot of his starters out there. Correct. And he's blaming it on his backup players, not putting in enough effort.

That makes a ton of sense. Yeah. That's a football guy. Yeah. Also, do we know if Chip Kelly's fat or not yet? I've been hot on this case for the last three years and I can't figure it out. No, I think he's just pudgy. Okay.

There's a difference. Portly. Yeah. Portly, pudgy. There's a difference. Okay. I'm going to go one step away from being fat. I am husky, not fat.

So let's do our, vote for your football guy. Let's start who's back of the week. Who's back of the week is brought to you by the new Bud Light Lyman Orange. They're out now, brood with real orange and lime peels. They're famous among friends. It is football season. You're sitting on your couch. Maybe you're going to the bar to watch some games.

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My who's back of the week is Disgusting Internet Fake News Reports. Uh-oh. Go on. I went on Twitter this morning and I saw that Max B was trending. Uh-huh. I couldn't have clicked faster. Wait. May I support his grandson?

No, the rapper. Okay. Hopefully, baby. Lots of tweets saying that he was getting released from prison today. So in my excitement, I put him on my who's back list immediately. After doing a little bit more research later in the day, I found out that it was fake news and then he's not actually getting out to 2025. That's a rough one to take.

That sucks, Hank. I'm sorry. So how did that get mistaken? That seems like a pretty big oopsie. The Internet, no. It's not. It wasn't an oopsie. It was someone on the Internet who thought they were being funny, thought they were

playing with people's emotions. Those fucking pranksters. Yeah. God damn it. Fucked up. Yeah, that is fucked up, Hank. What's he in jail for? Uh, I think armed robbery.

Okay. Aggravated assault or something like that. Oh, okay. Yeah, that sucks that he's not out. No. He didn't kill anyone. It was armed robbery. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. Was it, what kind of person? Did he rob like another rapper? Or was it just a business? I think it was drug related. Did he rob? Well, that's fair enough.

Yeah, yeah. Did he rob like a paycheck advance place? Because that's fine. I'm okay if he did that. Yeah. Hey, you know who else robbed people? Wall Street. Yep.

That's a good point. And the economic collapse, 2008. Yeah. So he will be out in 2025 though. So. Okay. Good. You can pencil me in for who's back 2025 next week.

Dude, just a little Google powder. Yeah. Yeah. Is armed robberies okay until the CEOs of major banks get thrown in jail? Yes. Exactly. As declared by me. You can do it.

Martial or no, the opposite of martial law. Yeah. Not martial, the purge. Chaos. It's the purge. Anarchy. Yeah. We're anarchists now.

Okay. PFT. Go ahead. My who's back of the week is announcers relating kickers to golf swings. So a lot of these old football guys, they get up on the booth and they don't really know anything about the kicking game, but they do know that when kickers miss a bunch of extra points and field goals, that it's a lot like their golf swing and how like they open up their hips too much and you push it wide, right?

I don't know. Slice that one. Slice that one. I don't know, Jim. Yeah. So I just want to, I want a kicking analyst who doesn't even try to like know what's going on with the kicking game. Like I want Tony Siragusa to be the kicking analyst, be like, uh, just these kickers give

me. Todd Haley. He's giving me heartburn. Yeah. Just put Todd Haley up there and be like, this guy fucking sucks. Yeah. So this guy probably didn't have sex with his 22. That's his problem.

Yeah. So it was just really fun, especially in that like three hour time span where everybody was missing every field goal and they were just talking about their golf swings. This credit to kickers though, I don't know, they're probably not unionized. They should because they're just the nerds of the NFL, but credit to them for all sucking at the same time, therefore spreading out the blame. Well, we had a theory last year, if you remember, when there was like a, there was a rash of overtime or a rash of ties last year too, that, uh, Roger Goodell was trying to save

football or at least appear like he was the good guy by having all of his kickers miss these easy, uh, field goals so that he could come in and change the rules and get rid of ties altogether. Yes. So maybe, maybe he's doing that again. Oh, I don't know. Actually, yeah. We should get back on that.

Oh, I love ties. Now I'm, I'm going to be pissed if we don't get a tie week three. I'm a huge, I'm a huge tie guy. Yes. Um, no offense to me. When there's a game that's tied in the fourth quarter now, I'm just thinking, please tie, please tie. My other who's back of the week is giant thermometers.

Yeah. So it's a little bit early for this. Usually we don't get into giant thermometer season until November, December when the temperatures get really low. But in the LSU Auburn game, uh, it was up at, and it's funny cause the thermometers are on the field. So they're not measuring the air temperature. They're measuring like what it is in the black pellets.

Yeah. They put it right. Yeah. Right down next to the black pellets. They dig like 10 feet underground and measure there and it's 120 degrees. And there was 120 degrees on the field in Jacksonville as well. So there were, I think like six or seven from, from each game. I think there were three or four, uh, journalists that would take pictures of these giant thermometers

and tweet them out. Now that I'm thinking about it too, they put the giant thermometers right behind the enormous air conditioners, like the actual machines that are, you know, the, the, that are pumping out cold air to the players, but pumping out super hot air backwards. Yeah. They put them right there. Yeah. And then in Syracuse, they had a thermometer that was, I think it was behind the benches

there as well. Um, but it was the carrier dome named after the guy who invented air conditioning. Yup. And they don't have air conditioning inside the carrier dome. So it was like 85 degrees in there. It's Syracuse. Yeah. All the hot takes from all the journals in the audience.

Yeah. My who's back, um, it's suicidal big cat and it was a bad week. I was wondering if we were going to get to this. We, of course we're going to get to it. I wasn't going to run from it. I actually had conversations with my friends yesterday, like whether or not I can still root for the university of Wisconsin. That's how low I was after that game because I always expect Wisconsin to lose, but to

lose is 23 and a half point favorites at home to fucking BYU, those soaking Mormons. They're just putting their dicks and pussies and just sitting there. Yeah. How do you have that happen? I mean, that's kind of what the university of Wisconsin does. That's what their football team does every year. They just soak you for a while. They soak it in my mouth.

Yeah. And you never finish. No, we'll keep that part in. Just mail them up. They never finish. They're a soaking squad. I do like, I like BYU's coach though. Yeah.

I think that's it. He's great. It was a great time. Yeah. Sounds like you love him too. There is a spit. Well, well, first of all, this was, I actually kind of had a weird premonition. This was going to happen when the bears lost to the Packers on Sunday night and then the

brewers played the Cubs on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and the brewers beat the Cubs two out of three. And I was like, Wisconsin sports are riding high and the only Wisconsin sports team I root for is definitely going to lose. So it was just the perfect, perfect way to cap off just a shitty week of sports for me. And there is one tomorrow though. There's one. That's true.

It's the biggest fucking game in French. Did you hear what I said about Erlacher? Brian Erlacher is getting honored in there. I wouldn't cap the week off yet though. Okay. I'll leave the cap on just in case. I capped the week. It's a new week.

Okay. I capped it. The one silver lining is I, they, I, I know I'm going to get let down might as well do it early. Now it's just free football. It's free football. It's free football. And you know that Ohio State is going to be in the final four people.

I even had a few people being like, Hey, you guys could still win out. No, listen, the one, the one redeeming quality about Wisconsin Badger football fans is we are, we are realist to a fault. I never, we're not, we're out of the national, you know, it's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. We could win every game and it still wouldn't happen. It would be rightfully not happen because you can't lose as 23 and a half point favorites. So now it's just free football.

Just try to win a bunch of games, go play in a fucking January 1st Rose Bowl for the bill or outback bowl for the billionth year in a row, finished like 10 and three, rinse, repeat. We'll do it again next year. And have fun along the way. Yeah. Yeah. Really drunk at the games.

Great. You'll have a great time. This will actually end up being the best thing that ever happened. Great. Yeah. By far. Speaking of the big 10, did you see Tom Bernalty sit down with Urban Meyer? Oh yeah.

He didn't really say anything. Nobody thought that he was going to. Well, no, he did say something. He said that his wife never told him about the text messages, which was the most obvious defense that he was going to use. Well, Shelyne and I never talked about that. Yeah. Not true.

Not true. We've been married for 40 years and we never talked about my assistant possibly beating his wife and then having the wife text my wife and we never talked about it. Yeah. Pitch Titan coach should have included that in his list of reasons to never go home. I don't get asked to move stuff around the garage. My wife doesn't tell me about my assistant coaches domestically abusing spouses. I don't have to cover anything.

I don't have to cover it up. My wife might know about. I don't know. I just noticed this today, but Tom Bernalty, man, that guy has some crazy eyes. That guy looks like he has. Crazy eye Tom. That's the call. He looks like he has rabies.

Yeah. Like he was ready to just pounce all over Urban Meyer. Yeah. Maybe he just wanted to fuck him. I don't know. But his eyes. I'm telling you. It was a nice little say.

I love the tone of these interviews, the redemption interviews. Let's go to his house. I'm going to ask him some. I'm going to hold this piece of paper. You see these questions right here, Urban? You see these questions? I'm not. I'm not letting you off the hook until I ask you all these questions.

Then he asks like three of them and then we move on. What has been the toughest part of this whole ordeal for you? Well, I would like to say it's, you know, I, I, you know, have led a lot of people that are close to me down. Yeah. And that never feels good. You know, we have these things in our program where we have our core values, accountability, and the core values, you know, we treat women with respect and certainly we want to

make sure that everybody does that at the U.S. State University. I just want to get back out with my guys, you know, because I just miss my guys. I miss being a role model to them. And you know, the accountability, it starts with me. So I own, I own everything here, except actually I own none of it. That was it. That was it. End scene.

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Heinz Food Company. And now, Mike Florio. Okay, we now welcome on our longtime friend, uncle, internet uncle, internet dad, it is Mike Florio, pro football talk. Mike, how you doing? I'm doing good. I'd be doing better if you guys called me more often though. I get kind of hurt.

I'm not big into banging the drums saying put me on, put me on, but I feel like it's been a really long time since you guys have me on. Well, it was out of respect for you, Mike, because after the Washington Capitals beat the shit out of your Pittsburgh penguins, I didn't want to rub salt in your wounds. I figured I'd give that a little cooling off point, but yeah, we're glad to have you back. Three months. That's good. I'll take it.

Three month morning period. Well, and football's back. So you're back. We're back in the family. I'm having on every probably once a month talk, talk shop, talk football because no one better than you at, uh, at that. And let's start. Let's get into it.

Once every 28 days. We'll have you back. Mike and Florio. Yes. Ooh, there we go. Uh, so Mike, let's start with the most salacious story of the weekend, Josh Gordon. Tell us exactly what happened. He got, he was chasing a drone.

You tell us. Tell us exactly what you know. Give us the sources. Give us the Mike Florio car wash here. I mean, look, the bottom line is the Browns had this guy for seven years now and they had so many regime changes that every time they get a new coach and a new GM, they fall in love with the talent. The guy is really talented.

2013, he had 1646 receiving yards in 14 games, Randy Moss Terrell owns, never had that many yards in a 16 game season. So the guy is good. And you know, if you're really good, you get second chance, third chance, fourth chance, fifth chance, and they just finally got to the point where they decided they had enough and there was a report that they thought there was something off with him yesterday. And I think they brought him back under a very, very clear arrangement that one false move and that's it.

And now they've announced they're going to cut him, but they're going to trade him, I think, because whether they intended it this way or not, they're now realizing, why should we cut the guy? We can try to set up a bidding war for one of these teams out there, pick up a contract for 790,000 for the balance of the year. And, and we get something out of it on the back end, even a conditional draft fix. So I think he's going to be traded at some point on Monday and then the Browns wash the hands of him.

And if the guy stays on the right side or whatever the league expects him to do, he could still be really good. I mean, that's the thing that gets lost in all this. If the guy shows up and plays on a regular basis, he can be very, very good. He's never had a good quarterback. Imagine how good he could be if he had a great quarterback. So when you say great quarterback, what, I'll tell you what, we'll let you power rank the potential landing spots for him.

If you were to guess, where's he going? I think that Seattle would be one of the teams because they're down to Keem and Reynolds who may play slot receiver for them on Monday night against the Bears. I think the Patriots would have to be considered, oh look, whoever, you know, the Browns, they're very nervous about trading Josh Gordon in the AFC because Josh Gordon could be that, you know, that one ingredient that keeps the Browns from getting to the Super Bowl if you can beat the other AFC teams for playoff positioning, but you know, the Patriots are bringing in like a different receiver every day and they cut a guy in and they bring him

in for a workout. Kenny Brits coming back. So I think the Patriots would be on that list of 49ers that acknowledged that they're interested in him. The Cowboys claim they aren't, but with the Cowboys, you never know until, you know, you know, and based upon what they've done Sunday night, I guess they could argue they don't need him. But I'd say Seahawks Patriots 49ers would be the three teams I'd watch.

Can I give you a dark horse? Sure. Packers. Yeah, but you know what, you're close, close. How about the Vikings because behind Adam Steele and Stefan Diggs, they don't have shit. They've got two really good wide receivers. Don't you try to get them on your team.

I'd see what you're doing. Yeah. But did you watch the game today? Laquan Treadwell dropped three passes. You know, people are burning, fighting fans are burning his jersey already. It wouldn't stop passing the ball to Laquan Treadwell. Easy fix. I don't think that you need Josh Gordon there, but if you get him in Green Bay, I mean, they've

been looking for a wide receiver since, I mean, they got rid of Jordy Nelson, but they need a wide receiver up there. And I know they're getting, what's the name back? Jones. He's coming back. Green Bay, I think would be. James Jones. No, not James Jones.

Mike, come on. I'm not talking about James Jones. Green Bay would be a good place for him because it's, you know, there's nothing to do in Green Bay. Yeah. Yeah. I look, I, I think here's the bottom line. I don't care if the guy smokes weed.

I mean, I don't know what other issues are going on with Josh Gordon and I've heard he's been late a lot and the Browns just decided they had enough and I look at it this way. For as good as he is, it had to have been a lot of stuff for them to finally say enough to enough. So, so what did happen with him? Big Cat said something about chasing a drone. Is that, is that true? I don't know anything about chasing a drone.

I mean, I heard his hamstring at a promotional shoot on Friday night and the team wasn't involved with the promotional shoot. They didn't know he was injured until he showed up the next day. And that was the thing that ultimately caused him to say enough, enough, we're done. I'll just say this. I'm staying a little woke on it because the, the footage of whatever promotional shoot he was at, whatever brand it was that paid him to show up, that footage is not worth a shitload of money.

Like everyone's going to watch that commercial. Maybe this is just like a big viral ad that they're pulling the wool over. The tweet I saw was he was running routes against a drone and then pulled his hamstring. Was it at the team's facility? Yeah, I think so. That was, I mean, now that, that was a fan resources. So it could have been total bullshit, but I like to believe the first thing I read about something and never read anything else.

So I'm going to go with that. Yeah, he's drone racing. Yeah. Mike, next question. Ryan Fitzpatrick, lighting the world on fire, two part question. One, how much money is Ryan Fitzpatrick going to make off of this? And two, just tell me that we can have a true quarterback controversy. Cause if Ryan Fitzpatrick doesn't lose a game, are they really going to have

James Winston come in there and fuck up an undefeated season? Well, I mean, I think if he keeps winning and keeps playing the way he has, there's really nothing you can do. You have to stay with him. I love it. And now here's, here's where it gets really interesting. And I think at this point, it's no brainer. They play next Monday night against the Steelers.

And the next day is when James Winston Jones will come back. It's a short week before they go to Chicago to play your bears. And they have a buy after that. I think at this point you have to go with Fitzpatrick for the fourth game. Plug in James Winston as soon as he walks in the door, Fitzpatrick is playing like this. Now he can have four interceptions next Monday night. That changes everything. But based on what we've seen so far, I mean, we assume they're going to be

0 and 3 in the games Winston missed. And now here they are 2 and 0 and they're looking good. And the Steelers look like crap. I think they could be 3 and 0. I think you got to ride with Fitzpatrick for as long as you can. And that's a real question. You know, how will Winston handle it? Will he be a good teammate?

Will he, will he be eating W's on the sideline to support his guy? Or will he be trying to like jostle and clamor and build dissension and get his way back on the field? You know, they call it good problem. Having only good problems, no problem. Trademark. Ooh, I like that. I like that.

But you know, Winston's going to have a tough, tough situation. If he comes back and you've got to stand on the sideline and watch those games. I think the league just gave him three weeks so that they wouldn't be forced to deal with a prime time game between Ben Rautlesberger and James Winston. There's a lot of questions that we don't have a lot of answers to. You don't want that. Yeah. So you think that they're going to ride them through at least the bi-week then.

I like that. I like that. And then they get two weeks to get ready for the Falcons. But if you're three, if you're four and up, right, if somehow, by some miracle, they defeat that juggernaut that is the Chicago Bears, then, you know, then you hold Fitzpatrick through the bi-week and you go, you go with Fitzpatrick against the Falcons. Okay. I like it.

Um, I want to move on real quick to some officiating talk. You ready for this? So, uh, Clay Matthews in the game against your Vikings. You can admit that that was a bad call, right? You can admit the Vikings should have lost that game. No, no, because look, it's, it's the same call that was made the other way on their Kendrick's earlier in the game. Burping.

It's burping. You got to, you got to watch me on football night in America. It's not the body weight penalty. Everybody thinks that the penalty was the Clay Matthews landed with all or most of his body weight on Kirk Cousins. There's another violation when you lift the quarterback and drive him into the ground, they call it corporate because he gets the ground and he burps. I mean, it's very high tech phrase for it, but it's separate from the body weight thing.

And that's what Tony currency, the referee explained that it was lifting him off the ground and driving him into the ground. That's always been a penalty. That's not a new rule. So that's what happened with, yeah, we're going to either have to delete this part or the first part of the show where I talked about how it was all body weight. Because I still think that that's bullshit. I don't, I don't think that he burped him.

I think he was just like, what are you supposed to do as a linebacker? He was just like hitting him in his midsection. You can't lift him up because he's going to get lifted off the ground. You can't lift him up. You drove him. You, you let, and it's the same thing Kendrick's did to Rogers. When you lift him up, watch the hand. The hands go down behind the knee and they lift the guy up and then they

drive him into the ground. They, they call that burping. Nah, I'm watching it. It wasn't burping. I'm watching it. It wasn't burping. He was, it was farting. Yeah.

Kirk Cousins was kind of almost in the air. This, you know what? This is, this is done. This has made football regular season like NHL postseason. When they, when you, when you never know about like, oh, did he lift, did he lift his skate up and they have these super zoomed in videos of a guy's skates. Like, no, a little piece of it's touching the ice. He didn't leave his feet.

We're getting to that kind of stuff. And are they, are they worried at all? Is the NFL worried about it? Because these kinds of hits, these feel like just regular football hits and they're changing games. Yeah. You want, you want a scorching hot take that is only half joking. And because I think, I think if this is going to continue, what the NFL needs

to do to eliminate any confusion, cause the goal is keep the quarterbacks healthy. Right. There aren't enough shitty quarterbacks to go around as it is. They don't want their quarterbacks to get hurt. And then, you know, God forbid somebody may have to sign, calling capital, but I think that what they would need to do to avoid all of this, just treat the quarterback like a punter or a kicker. Once the ball's out, you can't touch him.

Then there's no ambiguity. Now that would change the game dramatically, but we wouldn't be getting into these arguments because if you hit him after the ball's out, then it's a penalty no matter what. And it's a, you could do a five yard and a 15, just like they do with running into the kicker and roughing the kicker, but then you don't get into burping and farting and lifting and body weight and any of this other stuff. You got, you, you can, if you tip the ball, that's one thing.

But if you don't touch the ball and the ball's out and you hit the quarterback, it's a foul, just like it is for a punter and a kicker. And then nobody's fighting about any of this shit. And there's no confusion going forward. We know what a foul is, but that's also pretty much impossible to do for like a defense alignment to not. So when you're trying to block it, it's already impossible. It's already impossible.

You can't hit him high. You can't hit him long. If you hit him in the middle and you land on him, you get fouled. So I mean, well, it's already impossible to play defensive line. You may as well make it completely impossible, at least so it's not impossible for stall, figure out what the foul is. I don't want to get too far into the Italian thing here, but I did notice that everybody that's defending this call, if you look across the spectrum,

whether it, whether it's Mike Florio, whether it's Dean Blandino, whether it's Mike Pereira, Torny, Torny Corrente, Gene Starrator. I'm just saying there are a lot of vowels at the end of names. Is this like a, is this like an R thing? LaCosta Nostra you have going on there? What are you talking about? Costa Nostra? There's no such thing as Costa Nostra.

There you go. That's a good Italian name. I'm gonna pat you on your head. Give you some Gabbagool. So tell me, Mike, the Steelers, are they as much of a mess as a, I mean, oh, one in one, but it feels like things are teetering because you had the Levy on stuff, you have Antonio Brown threatening a reporter. There was always the stories before the seat, you know, after last season,

Mike Tomlin, does he have control of this team? You had Ben Rothesberger bashing Mason Rudolph in, you know, in training camp. It feels like this whole thing is kind of teetering on the edge here. Is that what you're hearing from your sources? Well, yeah, I mean, it's clear there's dysfunction there, but we're missing the most obvious reason hiding in plain sight. The defense is horrible. Look at the game in the playoffs against the Jaguars and they were down 21,

nothing in the first half and then 28-7. The defense is not holding up at the end of the bargain. This is a team that used to be all defense and offense was good enough. Now it's all offense and the defense is horrible. They got shredded by a guy who was in his third NFL start. He's not even 23 years old. He will be tomorrow, but still he's not 23 when he did it. And at home, home opener, and they couldn't stop Patrick Mahomes and the

Kansas City Chiefs. And this, this is a team that used to be well known for its defense. And now it's, it's just, it's not. And, and that's, I think, the biggest problem. And I'm impressed the offense is still firing on all cylinders with all the dysfunction with Levy on belt and with Antonio Brown. And Big Ben has an elbow injury unless he doesn't. And they still scored 37 points and had a chance to win.

And I think you're going to have some dysfunction between offense and defense if this keeps up. Okay. All right. I'm going to throw a couple of teams out there for you. And I want you to tell me if it's time to press the panic button. Okay. Okay.

First team I'm going to go with, uh, let's, you know what, let's, let's get it started with, uh, I think the bills have already met. They've phoned it in on the season. So I'm going to go with the Philadelphia Eagles. Oh, well, I don't know this time to press the panic, but I had a lot of injured guys. Carson Wentz supposedly is coming back this week. We'll see how they are with Wentz on the field. And hindsight, I'm surprised.

They're not going to, I thought the Falcons outplayed them last Thursday night. And, and they still had a chance against the Buccaneers today. Once they got, uh, you know, down in a deep deficit, they still had a chance to come back and win it, but this whole thing isn't going to work long term. Wentz, if he comes back, I think they can turn it around. I'm not ready to panic yet. Okay. Not panicking.

Okay. Uh, Houston. I'd probably panic. Right. I mean, my concern is that, uh, we hear all the time about how defenses go and study the tape and they figure out how to stop a hot quarterback. And, uh, you know, we didn't hear that much with the Sean Watson. We just assumed he was going to show up this year with a healthy ACL and

instantly be the guy that he was last year and he's not. And, uh, look at the team they played today. They had no healthy tackles. They had Blaine Gabbard at quarterback and they still couldn't beat him. That, that's, that's, uh, that's as big of a panic button as you could have through the Houston Texans who were four and 12 last year and Bill O'Brien still got a contract extension. You know, if he hadn't gotten that extension, I think he'd be the guy at

the front of the hot seat list right now. Okay. Is it time to press a panic button on an individual Marcus Marriota? Look, I, here's the thing about Marcus Marriota, for that physical style of play that he embraces, he's not very big, you know, he's not thick. He doesn't have the body to stand the founder. So, you know, you say, it gets healthy, he comes back and plays and he gets hurt again and then he gets healthy.

He comes back and plays and he gets hurt again. And, you know, to be a franchise quarterback, you have to be able to play, you know, and, uh, that's a high level. That's why they pay me the median bucks. I mean, if you aren't on the field, then how are you ever going to be the guy that you're supposed to be? And, and that's the key, staying healthy on a regular basis and Marriota just can't. Speaking of quarterbacks that, uh, can stay really, really healthy.

Do you think it's time that they pull Sam Bradford out in Arizona? I don't know why he's still in there. What a disaster to go from Bruce Ariens and Carson Palmer to this mess that they've had the last two weeks to start the season. I feel bad for Larry Fitzgerald. I feel bad for everybody connected to that organization. And, you know, somebody's got to be the worst team at football right now. I think the bills and the Cardinals are neck and neck, uh, for that distinction.

And, uh, they're declaring themselves pretty early in the season. If you had to guess when Josh Rosen plays, when do you think it's going to be? I don't know why I didn't put him in the day. I don't get it. I don't understand it. At some point you just got to see what the guy has. Now I will say that I talked to my home after the game with that and he, he. Helped convince me somewhat of the idea that there's benefit in sitting and

benefit in learning and benefit in watching. Cause he told me if they'd have played him last year, he'd just gone out there and he would have winged it and he would have had a hard time and he wouldn't have a confidence he has now. And he's got so much more confidence because he was able to sit and watch and learn. Now I think part of that is it was Andy Redoffence and he was learning from Alex Smith, you know, maybe for some of these guys, there is value in, in sitting

out and learning if things are going well enough that you're actually learning something good. I mean, what the hell is Josh Rosen going to learn this year? How to get beat by 30 points. So at some point you just got to say, we believe in this guy. We traded up for him. Let's put him out on the field. Let's let him have his baptism by fire and then maybe by next year he'll

figure it out. All right. So there was the big story that all seven new head coaches lost week one. Do you think there's any of those, any of those coaches? I think Matt Patricia obviously lost week two. I'm trying to think of any other of the first year head coaches. Steve Wilkos in Arizona. Yeah.

Do you think any of these first year head coaches have the possibility of getting fired in year one? We never talked about another man's job, but is that a possibility? Because I feel like this is the new NFL teams won't move on pretty quickly from coaches if they don't think it's working. I remember when the Browns fired Robson Zinski after one year and everybody lost their minds and we went back and looked and there's a lot of guys who have only made it one year.

So you can't rule out anything. It's all judged by what the expectations are going into the season. And, you know, for some of these things, I forgot, I'm not that they're going to fire John Gruden after one year, but I think people expected something better than 0 and 2 coming out of the gates and to lose the game. They waited that the way they did today, blowing it against the Broncos. Not that Gruden is going to be in any trouble, but you have to look at what was expected and what ultimately is delivered.

And yeah, could somebody be fired after one year? I think it's entirely possible. Just depends on how big of a disaster it is. You know, you could see in theory that this continues in Detroit. Martha Firestone Ford just says screw it. Give her and everybody and let's start over again one more time. That'll be wild. That'll be wild.

All right. Last question for me is a Seeky question. We got to ask, it's the beginning of fantasy football season. Have you been doing well? No, no, no, no, I'm being serious right now. I want to know who you have on your team. I'm not answering it. Forget it.

I refuse to answer any questions. Why are you playing? Why are you doing that? Just answer it. Just tell us if you're playing. Do you have a team? Because I'm going to set up your stupid ass punch line like I do. OK, no, we won't ask you.

I'll tell you who I have on my team. Big guy, who do you have on your team? I have, I have Ben Rautzelsberger. He's been doing not so great. Yeah, I actually have Pat Mahomes and I start him. He got he got me 52.84 points today. Yeah, it's a Seeky question. You have to answer.

You have 48 points today because he's on my team. Oh, we don't give a fuck. I don't care who you have on your team. You always talk about your team. You always talk about your team. You do. You always want to talk about your team. You want us to ask you about it.

I have two teams. Nobody cares. They both suck. One's the Cardinals and the other one's the Bills and nobody gives a shit. Thank God for that. Yes. All right.

So that was a Seeky question. You put in promo code take. You get $10 off. Seeky gets to really get their money's worth. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. They love the Seeky question. Yeah.

Fuck yeah, they are. Uh, what? You put asses. Mike Florio's fantasy team puts asses in the seats. One last question for me. Is Andrew Luck back? Is he back? I don't know.

I mean, is he going to stay healthy? Wow. Great answer. Great one today. How'd it go? It was a game. Here's the thing. We want, here's, here's what happened at NBC.

We sit there and we watched the games and he said big Brady Bunch nine box thing. And Colts Washington was the game up in the upper left hand corner corner that nobody gave a shit about today. So I don't know how Andrew Luck played today because we were watching Packers Viking. We're watching Chief Steelers. We're watching any game but that one.

I'm surprised that one even they should have like a little kid's table for that game because nobody was paying attention. That game was the equivalent of all of my fantasy teams for the last 10 years, holding the one. Okay. Oh, all right. So Andrew really don't give a fuck. Possibly back.

Yeah. Mike, I actually have one last question to Vonte Davis. Can you explain this whole situation? This is wild. Do the bills have to pay all that money? I, if they have a sounding bonus, they can get it back from him with like what he gets proto for two weeks. But you know, I remember the story of one launch tail

outside of he was done. Like he just was like, man, all these other guys are fast and they're strong and it's like a launch. It's because you're not anymore. And for some of these guys at the harsh realization, if your team sucks, I think it makes it even easier to come to the conclusion that the game's past your body. I got to give a guy credit for being self aware of me.

He could, you know, he could go through the motions and take money from the bills or he could say I'm out and he's out. Okay. That's a hell of a way to quit. That's got it. Yeah, that's got to be a weird, a weird situation when your teammate just bounce like that. Actually, what, while we're talking about weird situations,

leave you on belt, like he, everyone hates him, the Steelers organization, correct? Well, look, I don't know what in the hell is going on in the locker room. I think that, you know, a lot of times when you hear players say things publicly, you can assume that they're just repeating the things they're hearing from the coaching staff. But that, that, that's rash of comments from 10, 15 days ago when guys like, you know, Ramon Foster and, and Marquis Pounce,

you're speaking at that, that almost never happens. And I think at this point, leaving on Bell is just going to stay away indefinitely. I mean, if the goal is to avoid being overused and if he's happy to give up 855,000 a week to avoid being overused, then I don't know why he shows up at any point before his deadline for showing up, which is the Tuesday after week 10. And I think he's quickly going to be out of sight out of mind. They got bigger problems and leaving on Bell on that team right now.

And I think they're in the process of forgetting about him and turning the page and we'll see him whenever that, whenever that week 10 rolls around, I think we'll see him right around then because his goal is to not put himself in a position where he's getting 30 to 35 touches a game and he potentially prevents himself from getting that gigantic payday. He thinks he's going to get next March. Okay. All right. One last question for me. Hugh Jackson, probably maybe going to be on the hot seat at some point this season.

Who's going to win that power struggle? Is it going to be Todd Haley or Greg Williams? Cause that's going to be fun to watch. Yeah. I think Todd Haley is the guy that ends up taking over at some point for the rest of the season at some point this year. And then after that, John Dorsey is going to hire whoever he would have hired. If they were to let him hire somebody on his way through the door. And in my suspicion is I don't, I don't know that this is true,

but that never stops me from saying what I believe. I think that when John Dorsey decided to draft Baker Mayfield, he knew who the coach of Baker Mayfield is going to be in 2019. And that coach was on board with Baker Mayfield. And that's the guy I think we're going to see. Bob Stoops. Ooh. One last question, Mike. Did you get Dan Patrick kicked off the NBC set because he's over a foot

and a half taller than you? Uh, I, I, as a rumor, that's sources, fans of sources. I read something. Yeah, there's a lot to unpack in that question. That's for sure. But yeah, start wherever you want. Oh, so you confirm that he's a foot and a half. So you said no. So he's a foot and a half taller than you.

You sure? I think it's more like a foot and a quarter. You, you have the shirt. I'm sorry, Mike. I love you. I'm six feet tall. Yeah, you have the shortest face in the world. But what am I supposed to do? Get a new face. Get a new face. All right. Also, do you still not take plans?

We're just doing that. We haven't seen you forever. You still don't go on plans, right? You scared? No, I plan all the time. What the hell? I told you guys that like 20 times. Yeah, no, I don't remember. Yeah. Yeah, I know. Cause you don't give a shit.

No, you have a car that picks you up. It picks you up in West Virginia and it drives you all the way up to New York every weekend. Yeah. No. Then take a train over to Stanford. I get on a plane and I fly here every weekend. Yeah. Okay, Mike, we appreciate it. Thank you for taking 17 last questions from us.

Yeah. Do you have any questions for us? Yeah. Do you have any questions for us? Yeah. When are you going to invite me back on? 28 days from now. It's like my Jewish grandmother rest in peace when I go visit her and she'd be like, Hey, when are you going to visit me next?

Yeah. Hey, I enjoy talking to you guys. I mean, what are we, you know, I, you know, what am I supposed to say? Tell you what, Mike? If I didn't like it, I'd tell you no. October 3rd, me and you will go down to D.C. when they lower the banner for the Washington capitals. We'll just hang out.

They raise it. Have a nice little. You're not used to this, but they raise it. No, but they're going to, no, no, no, no, no, they're going to unfurl it. Like how much of a noob is PFD for that? My understanding is that there will be unfurl. So be Father, Son, Weekend. We'll go down there together, hang out. Yeah. All right, good deal.

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Just go to WordPress.com slash PMT to get started. That's WordPress.com slash PMT for 15% off your new website. That's WordPress.com slash PMT. OK, let's get to some segments. Thanks to Mike Florio. Always a good time to talk to Mike. He's it is fun having like Mike is one of those guys. We have a few of them a part of my take where they've become

they went from guests to like very good friends that I actually care about. I hate to catch feels. But Mike's one of those guys. Listen, this business, we have to remain as impartial as we can. But the fact is, we root for Mike Florio. We root for Blake Bortles. Do you know what? Basically, anyone who wants to sleep over their house on Grit Week.

Yeah. And Mike is Mike. Also, remember that time? Remember a few? I don't know. When I have no concept of time anymore, because football season just like sucks all my brain power out of me, anything that's not football. I can't think about. But remember when my foot, I couldn't feel my foot felt wet for like a month?

Yeah. Mike was the only one. But not even my parents texted me. Mike texted me was like, hey, you have to see a doctor. I said, OK, Mike, I will. Obviously, I didn't. It went away. It went away. That's what happened. It went away. My circulation figured itself out. But that just points to how much Mike cares about us as well.

So thanks, Mike. Yes. All right. So we have first up King State Kings for Skip Bailess. What a weekend for Skip. Great weekend. Great. Hall of Fame weekend. Had unreal tweets on Sunday and on Saturday night. What was the caption? Do you have the caption? Let me pull it up. Hang on.

OK, so he tweeted a picture or he Instagrammed a picture of him shirtless. Kind of flexing. Oh, kind of flexing. You kidding me? Weird. You kidding me? Like he has the body. I mean, he's in good shape for his age, but he has the body of a guy who, you know, bikes all the time.

He's got like a Lance Armstrong body. Here's here's the exact caption that he put on it. Ernestine, that's his girlfriend, wife, wife. Ernestine took this after a long run in the heat. Shannon Sharp often says on air, I'm too skinny. Maybe so. Never, ever miss a day of cardio for at least an hour. Burn some muscle.

Only about 5% body fat, but I do lift a lot. Boom. And he's jacked up. And he's jacked. Somebody pointed out he looks exactly like the the swole kangaroo. Yes. That meme. Yes. The buff kangaroo. Yes. Good job by Skip.

Way to stay in the public conscience. Stephen A. Smith, by the way, can we put this in the cool? Let's put this clip in there. It was pretty bad. It was not even going. That's what he was doing. He was posing like this, but he wasn't doing that. He wasn't doing that.

But he wasn't doing it the whole time. Listen to this, Teddy. He wasn't doing that the entire fight. Again, I have triple G winning this fight, but it was close. The difference between me and Teddy is that Teddy, the boxing historian, the expert, the man that knows boxing, sometimes can be a little bit too critical because he's a little bit emotional. Why? Because he looks at a fight.

Yes, I'm calling you a milky. Yo, he's a little bit too emotional. And what happens is that would be. Stephen A. Smith and Teddy Atlas, you just listened to it. All time clip after the fight, after the triple G canal fight, which I've had a bad weekend and obviously I had triple G and I thought he got robbed, but I'm not going to go into that. But Stephen A. Smith and Teddy Atlas, just an all time buddy cop movie in the

way. You know what? It's all making sense now. So this was this was a thirst trap that skips it out. Yep. Specifically aimed at an audience of one and that's Stephen A. Smith, because he was spending Vegas weekend with Teddy. Stephen A. Smith saw it and was like, I got to go over the top and show Skip how much fun I'm having with my new side piece. Ernest Teddy Atlas.

Oh, yeah. No, he was like, and then yeah, Skip said, hey, look. I'm hanging out with Ernestine. Well, I think I think the Skip Bayless post came before the Teddy Atlas. But Teddy Atlas and Stephen A. Smith had been hanging out in the Vegas all weekend. Yeah. So they're going back and forth. They're feeding each other a little bit. I think we have to ask now, like after a weekend like this with the Smell Check

tweet and this Instagram post and Mason Crossbar, Mason Crossbar, if Skip Bayless goes into the Hall of Fame, is he going in as a Fox Sports guy or an ESPN guy? Because this was like a landmark weekend for him. Oh, what hat is he wearing? I don't know. I just want to see them get back together so bad. This has been just a great, this has been a great weekend for all of our favorites. I don't know if you guys saw the Instagram of Kate Upton, pregnant and someone Whitney Cummings.

I think a comedian said it looks like you have a third boob and it just came. Everything came full circle. Rick Riley. Oh, my God, I told you guys it didn't look good. The third boob just stuck on her. So all of our all of our heroes are having just dynamite weekends. Yeah, it was a great visual for Skip, though. Every once in a while, you get a nice little profile of Skip Bayless, where it like tries to peel back the onion and they're like,

who is the real Skip Bayless? And really all that you ever get out of him is he just screams into a television camera and then he's not screaming into a TV camera. He's in the gym. Right. And that's it. Right. Those are the only two things he does. And he takes his wife out for dinner once a week. No, he doesn't because he goes to the same deli every week and gets like five pounds of turkey so that he can make turkey sandwiches for himself all week.

I'm talking about Friday night. They go to Friday, they go to dinner Friday night from like seven to nine p.m. That's and then they go to sleep. That's Ernestine's. Yes, Ernestine's night. Seven to nine, you know, that's that's for Ernestine. OK, next up, we have an, oh, you think what is the exact tweet? By the way, Ernestine's tweets are her takes are even stronger than Oh, yeah. Oh, she's the genius behind him.

Or she might not even exist. And Skip Bayless just created her so that whenever he has a take, that's like two over the top. He can be like Ernestine says so and so this is just a feeler. This is like Ted three. Yeah, I know. I know. I saw Ted. I saw Ted one. Yeah, I saw Ted one.

Yeah, Ted. I didn't see Ted two. So Ernestine's a teddy bear. Yeah, Ernestine's a teddy bear that Skip Bayless gets all his takes from. OK. That that actually would be a dynamite move. I'm with you. But yeah, we do have an you think Kevin Durant went on Instagram too. And he put up a post saying that Aaron Donald's a beast and that he would join the Rams. So you think Kevin Durant, he would join the.

You know what? I like this play by Kevin Durant. They do need it. He is a BBB. Yeah. And we know that he's a triple B. Big baller brand. The biggest triple B out there. But this is showing a little bit of humor on Kevin Durant's side. And I kind of like it. I don't think it is.

I don't think that it occurred to him like, oh, this is a joke. No, no, no, no, no, no. I think he was like, I really want to join the Rams. Kevin Durant's very sharp and he knows what he's doing. So this is listening to you. You know, I listen to a big guy becoming a TV stand. Oh, I will still call him a baby back bitch. Boom, done.

We all said that he would. But this is our credit work. Triple B baby back bitch. But I'm showing that I can be impartial judge of Internet character. And by saying Kevin Durant, good job. OK, good job this one time. The Rams do need a kicker and he's a three point specialist. So it lines up.

Stay. Come on. Pardon my take. Kevin Durant. Yeah, do it. And that will stop calling you a baby back bitch. I will give you the benefit or the doubt of any like quasi sarcastic take that you have. I will give you the benefit of the dive. You come on the podcast to discuss.

I also like that people think that it like Kevin Durant. If Kevin Durant came on the podcast, we wouldn't say baby back bitch to him. I would lead it. Yeah. I'd be like, hey, Kevin, what do you think about me calling you a baby back bitch? I'd have to. And if the interview ended, it would just end.

But I'd have to. I could not. What if his people said beforehand that you couldn't? Well, then I'd say no interview, a journalist code. We don't. We don't want to be to any future. No preconditions for this interview. You don't think I'd bring it up?

No, I think you would. Because if you didn't, then by the trade, I would be back. You become the baby back bitch. No, I have to clear the air. But what if you walked out? Okay. No, let's be honest here. What I would probably say would,

I'd probably say there have been people who have called you a baby back bitch care to comment in the room, in the room, not to name names. There are people who have called you a baby back bitch. Ernestine Cat called you a baby back bitch care to comment. Imagine if Kevin Renns slapped me. That'd be the greatest content of all time. Backhand slap.

What we'll do, we'll just say. I'll grab my neck so fast. What we'll do, we'll just say, you can slap us every time we say bitch to you. Just throughout the interview, we'll just sprinkle in there and get slapped. You know, I'll have Mr. Portnoy come in and just watch the whole thing.

Your hair looks nice, by the way, Big Cat. Thank you. I did. I'm thinking about doing the Coach K. Jeff Black? Yeah, you should. I think I should, right? The problem is, I don't know how long it stays.

No, it washes right out. Yeah, that's definitely not true. Okay, let's finish up with a Monday reading. We have a Monday reading. Monday. The Daily Mississippian. And this was an article named Daily Mississippian. I mean, it tells you everything.

Yeah, it comes out every day. And it's written by somebody from Mississippi. Yeah. So this came before Ole Miss played Alabama on Saturday. And if you watch the game, Ole Miss went up 7-0 on the first play from offense. And that was it. They should just stay lost.

Yeah, the whole team should have picked an entry. Say 59-7 or something. Whatever it was, I didn't hit the over. So this comes from Martin. No, wait. No, Ben Miller from the Daily Mississippian. And it is titled, Nick Saban Overrated as Head Coach. Couldn't even get it out.

Okay, here we go. Among the madness there is but one sentence that few have been brave enough to say. Nick Saban is an overrated coach. Wow. So right off the bat, credit to him. This is a brave, brave journalist. First responders, police officers, firefighters,

teachers, and Ben Miller. I like my articles to pat yourself on the back before you even get to the crux of it. You should be like, hey, listen guys, before we get to this, just know I'm a hero. I like that as an opener. I also like when somebody tells you to stop reading their article right now

if you're easily offended. Yes, yes. Here's the door, yeah. Stay with me. I am perfectly willing to admit that Alabama would not have gotten to where they are currently without Saban's tremendous recruiting talents that resulted

in him having a dominant football team early in his career. Now that is big of him. To admit that Nick Saban did a good job recruiting. Early in his career. Ben Miller is establishing right off the bat that he has compassion and he also can look at things in a fair way. Nick Saban, pretty good recruiter.

Listen, Les Miles did a great job coaching Nick Saban's recruits in 2007. Yes, what I am not willing to say, however, is anything that would make it sound like Saban is even close to being the greatest college football coach to ever live. Something tells me he's going to lean towards Bear Bryant. No, you'll be, no, no, no.

He's got, he's got some juicy stuff coming. Fast forward to today. The unprecedented success that Alabama saw almost immediately upon Saban's arrival created a machine that the rest of the nation has yet to figure out how to stop. Saban had an incredible streak of recruiting that turned a mediocre team into a team

that for many years now has required very minimal coaching. There you go. Yeah, it runs itself. We're getting it going. He doesn't even have to coach him up. They're so good. John Rothstein is at the basketball writer that says like Villanova is like a Fortune 500 company.

It runs itself. He shows a tremendous amount of understanding of how Fortune 500 companies work. Same as this, Nick Saban just gets him in the door and he's very hands off. Let's him run away. They are millennials after all. So he doesn't coach them.

He's got a free range football program down there. Following the arrival of his first number one overall recruiting class, Saban won his first of five national championships in Alabama. The machine was running. Now he didn't even need to recruit. Everybody wanted to play for national champions. So now he's actually gone back on it

on his initial statement. He not only is a good, he said that he was a good recruiter but now he's stating that winning the national title just made recruiting its own machine. So he's got a coaching machine that he doesn't have to take care of and a recruiting machine that he also doesn't have to take care of. No, all he does he just lubes up the gears

on the national championship machine and then the recruiting machine takes care of that. It's like a giant Rube Goldberg thing that he's got going. There's just a huge, and Nick Saban's got like a bunch of hamsters running around eating whoopee pies. I might be dumb, big cat, but wouldn't that mean that every single team that won a national championship would then have their own machine going?

It's a fair point. It's a fair point. It's a fair point. I'm probably thinking way too hard about this. It's a fair point. Saban's early recruiting created a system in which the best players in the nation showed up on the Alabama campus, won games and titles,

got drafted into the NFL and left a spot for the next round of the nation's top recruits to take over. There's the machine. He just explained the machine, how a guy comes in and then he's really good and then goes to the NFL and then another guy comes in who's also really good. And they make him really good.

And then he goes to the NFL. So no one makes him, the machine makes him. So Nick Saban is not a good coach. He's just somebody who's in charge of a machine that recruits and develops top tier athletes and win national championships. Okay, so here's, we're getting to the end. No, I get it.

This is the crocs. Nick Saban is basically a software coder. Yeah, this is a big reveal though. With this in mind, five national titles really does not seem like enough in an 11 year period. Every season in recent memory, the tide has had a national championship or bust mentality. If Saban were as good at being a head coach

as he is at recruiting, Alabama would have won the national title on a yearly basis, but he isn't. End scene. So there it is. So he's actually lost more than, his record actually is five and six. He's a sub 500 head coach.

The greatest run in modern college football history, but actually glass half empty, he's lost six. Yeah, it'd be a better team if they had Gino or Yema. Or if it was like the UNC Women's Soccer Program from the 90s and early 2000s, or UCLA basketball. I like it. Nick Saban's an underachiever. I agree.

He needs to win every national championship every single year. And then and only then, will I say he's a good head coach. I have a theory about this article. I think Nick Saban planted it. I think that he, like this is a PR thing for him. Yeah.

Because nobody's saying anything bad about Nick Saban. He wants to be motivated. So he's like, I just want something about a hit piece about me. No, so this is- It's the opposite of rat poison. You know what it is. It's like that, what was, a modern family.

The member of a modern family, when the couple was a boring couple, the Dumfies or whatever. Yeah, the Dumfies. Okay. So basically to save their marriage every now and then, they would dress up like different people and then meet each other at the bar

and be like, oh, you're a stranger. Oh, you're a stranger. Let's press her up. Yeah, yeah. No, it was the Dumfies, whatever. This is what Nick Saban's doing. He's basically just throwing it out there, like sprinkling to all the FCC towns.

At some point in the next 10 years, write something about me that says I suck, but don't tell me when it's coming out. So that I can read it and I forgot that I even asked you to do it. And I think it's real and I didn't tell you to do it. And then I will get motivated to win more national titles.

I like that theory. I also think, I mean, this has Saban's fingerprints on it because if you're a recruit and you're reading an article that's like, all Alabama does is get great recruits and then turns them into high paid NFL talent. That's actually just a great recruiting tool for you right there.

Yes, I want to do that. Yeah, this actually, yeah, this whole article, this whole article is gonna get a more recruit. Yeah, Saban wrote this article. Yes, yes. Okay, we got to the bottom. Ben Miller doesn't exist. Yes.

It looks like locked in a cage in Nick Saban's basement. His guys are so sick. Yeah, yeah. The Daily Mississippi. I knew that wasn't a real newspaper. All right, that's our show. We will see everyone Wednesday after the biggest game in franchise history for the Chicago Bears.

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