Pardon My Take - Mike Florio, Thanksgiving Day Preview, Week 11 Picks, CFB & Lotteryballgate

Episode Date: November 22, 2023

Monday Night Football Recap after the Eagles big win and the Chiefs may be in trouble with their wide receivers (00:00:00-00:18:41). We talk about every Thanksgiving game and Black Friday Jets/Dolphins mixed in with some listener Questions about Thanksgiving (00:18:41-00:52:04). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including talk about CFB and the big weekend ahead of us (00:52:04-01:05:54). Our crazy uncle Mike Florio joins the show to talk NFL, Bengals injury report, Hank vs Florio on fan fiction and tons more (01:05:54-02:01:22). We then do Week 11 preview and picks for every Sunday game (02:01:22-02:36:04) and finish with Lottery Ball Gate as Big Cat addresses Max being a loser and coward and everything that is wrong with America (02:36:04-02:53:33).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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It's two four. Let's do three. Let's do three. Nice try, Hank. We are going to talk to our good friend, crazy uncle, Mike Floreo. And we're gonna do guys on Thanksgiving. And after Floreo, you can stop

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Welcome to part of my take today is Wednesday, November 22nd. And the Philadelphia Eagles have the best record in the NFL PFT. Congratulations to Eagles for getting the one seed. I don't see them losing max. Congratulations. Eagles, Super Bowl champions. They didn't get the one seed. Oh, I thought they did.

I watched your video and I thought they did. Sorry. You guys don't like passion anymore. We love passion. So, Monday night football was great. It delivered. We wanted a very good game. We got a very, maybe not the best played game,

but we got a very dramatic game. It was a close game. It was an interesting game. I don't want to downplay what the Eagles did because going into that environment That's tough to win in credit to the Eagles That's a sign of a good team for being able to come out of that game with a win like really well coached team great players I'm not gonna say anything bad about the Eagles. They deserve to win

But it's very concerned to me that the chiefs can't score a single point in the second half of their last three games Chiefs very concerning. He's chiefs. Yeah, three games in a row. No point in the second half of their last three games. Chiefs, very concerning. Chiefs, yeah, three games in a row. No points in the second half. So let's talk about the Eagles real quick because they did win. That's right. And then we'll get to the Chiefs. The Eagles, so they got, if you watch that game, the Chiefs look like they were the better

team while watching it. But the Eagles get a ton of credit because the Eagles are a team that knows how to stick in games and knows how to make the big play when the moment arrives. Yeah. That is to me what the Eagles are is that you get credit for that Jalen Hertz, Devonte Smith throw, being able to figure out the second half, your defensive adjustments to keep the chiefs out of the end zone. Like, you know, punching the ball out of Kelsey's hand in the red zone. Like the Eagles are a team that is not just good, but they also have that ability to big, big moments they deliver.

And so they do get a ton of credit for me for winning in a very tough environment in Arrowhead in a game that it looked like they were not the better team while watching the game. Again, they might be the better team, you know, come January. But if you watch that game, the Eagles were at least the first half, especially the cheese were able to move the ball. Whereas the Eagles were getting sacked every single play. Yeah. So it's crazy because if you watch the Super Bowl, you think fuck the Eagles are really good. I can't believe they lost that game. They played such a good game. If you

watch this game, you're like, it was kind of ugly. Eagles gritted it out, stayed in there. Didn't make too many mistakes. They made a big play on the hat. So I think Jalen Hertz had like 105 yards passing before that bomb to Devante Smith at the end of the game. But you look at the other side of the ball, the Eagles defense aligned played really well last year. Really well.

And that's the difference. That's why they didn't win the Super Bowl. The second half they showed up was because they couldn't get to Patrick Mahomes and they got to Patrick Mahomes a lot. I do like Nick Suryani though. Nick Suryani is kind of like a defensive back who will celebrate in completions when it's like a pass or a massive overthrow. Suryani was the first guy being like, no, incomplete when Mikkel Hard or no, uh, NVS. Yes. Marcus Valdice Gantling dropped that bomb at the very end of the game, which he

should have caught. Packers fans are like told you. Yep. That we've seen that play before, uh, if you can touch it, you can catch it, right? Hank. Facts. That's what Jalen Carter actually should have had an interception on that spike by Patrick. Oh, that was the best.

He touched it. That was the best. Uh, Max. So while we're talking about the Eagles, tell us your thoughts on the game real quick. Um, do you like, is it okay to say that the chiefs maybe were like they look like the better team, but it doesn't matter because the Eagles make the big plays. For the majority of the game, yes, at the end of the game.

No, right. When big plays have to happen, the Eagles step up. Not to mention, everyone keeps saying that that MVS drop lost the game. If he catches that ball Eagles have a minute 15 three time and three time outs to just get a feel goal So that's one thing that is really bothering me that everyone's like if MVS catches that ball the gates game There were other jobs there were other jobs, but like Sometimes you got to make plays. Yeah, you made a play. They didn't correct here

Here's for the chiefs. So the chiefs wide receivers are a problem. Like it's clear that it's a problem. And it's also, I know that people are going to play the revisionist history and be like, how do you not keep Tyree Kill? I do think in terms of the chiefs were not thinking about one,

they won a Super Bowl without Tyree Kill. That happened. So that flag flies forever. They won the Super Bowl. That's everyone's goal. They won the Super Bowl without Tyree Kale, that happened. So that flag flies forever. They won the Super Bowl. That's everyone's goal. They won the Super Bowl without Tyree Kale. I also think the Chiefs made a calculated move to essentially say, we know that with Patrick Mahomes,

he's gonna be the franchise quarterback for 15, maybe 20 years. We have to evolve and stay ahead of this like trading Tyree Kale for a bunch of draft picks, making the Chiefs have their best defense for Patrick Mahomes. Like their defense is very, very good. And we have to evolve into a team that can get a little younger on the wide receiver,

try to find that next guy, because we know that Patrick Mahomes will be here, and you have to keep like constantly, almost rebuilding on the fly, otherwise you're gonna fall behind. So I have no problem with like people are complaining that they got rid of Tiger Kill. I think that was a smart move for the next five, 10 years instead of right now, which again, right now they won the Super Bowl last year. It would be

awesome if they had Tiger Kill. I think Andy Reed would tell you that yeah, we could use Tiger Kill on the scene. That's not like a question, but when you factor in the contract and everything that goes along with it, yeah, you can't, you have to make decisions about who you pay. And they're like, well, this guy is going to be, you know, a massive, massive price tag. We have to figure out a way to win without them. And you're right, they did. They won without them. So they were right about that.

Right. I don't know if it's like alternating nights of which chief's receiver can't catch a ball or if they just all can't catch, but it seems like every chief's loss, it's because one guy, and it's a different guy every time can't hang onto a football. They lead the league, I think, and drop passes. And what I far, yeah, by far, what I don't, there also was a very funny clip,

patch from Holmes through his towel or something to a fan, after the game and the fan dropped it, like perfect, perfect ending. The one thing that happens with the chiefs that I wanna push back on is it does feel like when the chiefs lose a game, we don't give credit to the other team

and we're like, oh, well, they drop passes and the chiefs like the chiefs are fine, which I do think they're fine long term. But I think this game, as much as the drop passes hurt them, it comes down to knowing that their offense is not as explosive It has been in the past you need two guys to basically be a plus or a in a game And that's Patrick Holmes and Travis Kelsey and what happened? Patrick Holmes throws a really bad interception in the red zone

Travis Kelsey fumbles in the red zone Those are the two plays that change that game that the chiefs like they don't have the margin for error for those for both of their best players to make mistakes like that in the red zone. If either if one of them doesn't make that mistake, the chiefs probably win the game. Yeah. That's really what it comes down to is like you need Patrick Holmes not to throw interception in the red zone. You need Travis Kelsey to hold on the football man in the red zone. Travis Kelsey Also looks a little bit slow out there. I don't know if he's hurt There's a chance he might be injured. I know he just snuck away to Argentina for a week So people are gonna talk about that that's just that's the way the reality when when Tony Romo

Remember he went to Cabo the before it was the by week that they had in the playoffs, right? Yeah back like that's just it's something that we're gonna talk about I don't know if like to travel had anything to do with it, all that all that red meat he was probably down there. Yeah, the other one I always point to is when Brandon Marshall started doing inside the NFL mid-week when he was on the Bears. And it was like, oh, this is cool. He's, you know, thinking about his next career. And then the Bears started losing. It's like, what the fuck, dude? Why are you traveling? I did notice he had a couple drops. He fumbled. Fingers might be tired. I don't know what that's all about. Just something to keep an eye on. Where fumbled fingers might be tired. I don't know what that's all about

Just something to keep an eye on where those fingers been tell your swift was not there She was playing a concert last night, which was touching. I don't know if you saw that. Give me all the feels every feel I had it But then swift on the on the Eagles had a great game I'm so listen I as a rival I root for a rival team But even I can see like swift. It's fun to watch them run the ball. Yeah. I don't know how the Eagles keep finding all these impact players that they can get in. And it's like, oh, shit, we have paid what like, I don't know.

What was it? What's a price tag on Swift, Max? Uh, third, I think they're well coached and he's awesome. And he's really good. And every time he gets the ball, it's like, oh, shit, they have this guy too. In addition to everything else, and the chiefs could not stop the push at all. They got, I think the Eagles average

like two, two and a half yards last night on each push, it was unstoppable. Yeah, and it's, listen, both those teams, I would not be shocked if they're in the Super Bowl. I think the chiefs, the bearing the chiefs after a loss is we've done this before. It's kind of like when when Tom Brady and the Patriots would have a loss and everyone be like, they stink now.

It's like, I think in late January, they'll still be in the picture. But the Ravens are now the one seat if the season ended today. So that is an interesting thing because Patron Hose never won a road game in the playoffs. I don't think he's ever played a road game on, but it's easy to say he never won a road game in the playoffs. I don't think he's ever played a road game on the playoffs. But it's easier to say he never won a road game. Yeah, he has not played a road game. But he's also never, yeah, but I'm saying like that's a concern to me. Yeah, has he, is he really that good?

We never won a road game. He's been protected by the home field. He has never played a road game. That is a fact. Um, but yeah, it's, it's interesting that I don't know. The both those are really good. I love to watch them play a million times. I am actually concerned about the chiefs.

If you can't score a touchdown or any points in the second half of three straight games, that's a problem. I'm concerned about the chiefs in the fact that the receivers have not made the progress that you thought they would make, especially coming off a by-week, you thought this would be the chief's best effort in terms of, you know, offense and they'd

look a lot better. But again, I'm just never going to write off Patrick Mahomes because he'll be there and their defense is nasty. Like they were all over Jalen Hertz in the first half. That was the Chris Jones is absolutely he had I think he had a back-to-back sack someone drive. Yeah, it was pretty impressive. Like he's a game record.

So, are there any wide receivers out there that don't have jobs that they could pick up? I just like speculating about that sort of. Troll owns. T.O. Barry, the hatch with Andy Reed. Yeah. Come on home. Get him in there. Antonio Brown. Antonio Brown. Yeah.

You love Tisgerald, not retired. Larry Fitzgerald, not retired. Yeah. Antonio Brown and Jackson Mahomes, hitting the town together. Yeah. That'd be something. Justin Watson also might want to think about changing his number. Yep, 84 is a tight end number. It is, but as a guy that roots for a team

that has exclusively like single digit and team number receivers, I like to see, I like to see a solid 81 out there. I like to see an 82. Yeah, we can say, 84 can be a water receiver number. I don't know, every time I see him, I'm like, is that a tight end? Oh no, that's's well, there's a pretty good receiver that wore number 84, right? Yeah, but maybe it's because he's a white 84. Yeah, that's probably it. That's probably it. That's probably any's a little bit taller. Well, if it's a, yeah, a white guy wearing 84 over six feet tall,

that's tight end. That's tight end. That's how our brains work. Yeah. Max, last thing, and I told you this this morning, and this is just, you know, I want to have a real talk with the AWLs for a second. Obviously, last year, I was rooting for the Eagles last night. PFT and I took the chiefs watching Max's video after. I love Max. Max does an incredible job. I just want to say for the Max haters, I see what you're talking about. I see what you're talking about. When I saw that video, I was like, I fucking hate this guy for a moment, for a moment.

Listen, I am not looking to make friends with the teams that I go again. Yeah, that has never been my MO. You're either going to, you're going to love me or going to hate me when you go into battle with me. But it was funny just seeing it through different, like, and I was like oh, yeah, this guy fucking sucks I snapped out of this like I fucking love Mac both the videos were very funny. I like this one right here If it was all the frog colors now what about the tweet on Travis kelp? Yeah, let's talk about that. I want to be Max's porn hub search I want to tweet it. I wanted to bring that up.

Philly Maze tweeted this out last night, 9.40 pm. This was when Travis Kelsey fumbled the ball right in the red zone. Yeah, Travis Kelsey, little boy, little boy, ass play. What'd you mean by little boy ass play? Because we texted you about that with Max. And then your reply was I stand by what I said. You stand by little boy ass play because we we texted you about that would max and then your reply was I stand by what I said you stand by little boy ass play. I don't stand by little boy ass play. I stand by little boy ass play. Yeah. Little little boy ass play. You want to you're looking for little boy ass play. Like that was looking for

Travis Kelsey with a little boy or a little boy. little boy. What color did you go to again, Max? The Lenovo V's up. No, what color did you root for? Sorry, in football. Villanova's gonna be in the FCS. Oh, okay. What about James Franklin? How many little boy asses have you looked up?

Zero. It's like a bitch, you know, like a bitch ass play, like this little boy ass play. Little boy ass play. Yeah, have you guys, you guys are doing the wrong cadence? You did it, no, no, that was how it was written, little boy ass play. No, ass play. Yeah. You guys, you guys are doing the wrong cadence. You did it. No, no, that was how it was written. Little boy ass play.

No, it was the little boy ass play. That was a little boy ass play. Have you got a little boy ass play they want to pass around the max? No, that was a little boy ass play. Have you heard from the FBI? No, but I, you also, the rate, that was the biggest ratio in the history of Twitter.

I did ratio you really hard. So, but I saw it. I couldn't believe it. Yeah. I honestly, I honestly could not believe that you did that max. You're they're going to steal our computers, but that was a little boy ass play by trying to stop saying that little boy ass play. Little boy ass play.

No, you guys are doing the pause, which is making it different. And there's you said you wanted little boy ass play. No, there's no punctuation. The ass play. Little boy ass play. We don't do punctuation. No, you did another way you wrote it was you wanted ass play from little boys. No, it was a little boy ass play. Like he like that Travis Kelsey, little boy. He was calling Kelsey a little boy and saying the play was asked, which means that was bad. That's what he was intending, but it did not come across.

Yeah, little boy asked because you means that was bad. That's what he was intending, but it did not come across that little boy asked. Because you did use punctuation, you said Travis Kelsey, little boy period, and then little boy asked play. That's where I was like, no, I felt like a search. Yeah, did you get to Google that? No, I just wanted to, I Travis Kelsey, little boy. Like when the guy that played Hank on Breaking Bad

just, he tweeted out sex gifts, yeah, mistake. That's an awesome one. Okay, well, so overall Max, you gotta feel good. That's an awesome one. That's an awesome one. Okay. Well, so overall, Max, you got to feel good. You still have the gauntlet coming up, like though. But we're in the middle of it. Yeah, I know.

You didn't know I'm saying like that you're in the middle of it. You have the rest of the gauntlet coming up. You have bills, 49ers, Cowboys, Seahawks, which is going to be tough. Yeah, but we're doing no. Yeah, what would you want your gauntlet record to be in the next four four no four no, would you be happy with every game must win Would you say would you be happy with three and one? Every game is must one would you be happy with two and two if the two were the Niners and the Cowboys If I could give you that right now. Every guaranteed.

I'm not falling into this trap, every game is must-win. Okay. But you, so you wouldn't be happy with two and two. Every game is must-win. Okay, so if you lose a single game, then season's over. See, this is what I, this was always my argument, but you're not allowed to flip this on me. Oh, we just, I'm just asking questions.

Yeah, we just did. Is what we do as a podcast. Yeah, one seed. Okay. Blue boy. That's the boy ass play. You don't want to see the commanders in the playoff, smacks.

You just want, commanders are cooked. You just want a little boy with some ass play. No, it was a little boy ass play. Were you saying that Taylor Swift has a little boy ass? Oh, that's, I think that's what it was. No. I'm the only Swiftie on the show.

That's true, because you're in the doghouse. I'm not in the doghouse. I'm a Swiftie, too. I love Taylor Swift. No. Yes, huh? No. Yeah, huh.

No. Do so. My son the other day asked to put on Taylor Swift in the car and most drove into a median. It's good music. It's good music. It's good music. It's good music. It's perfect autumn music. Yeah. It's like the soundtrack

to fall. That illuminers. It's a illuminator season. Okay. Let's get to our Thanksgiving preview. We'll include the Black Friday game. So what we're going to do is we're going to do every single game. And then after each game, Hank has questions from the readers about thanksgiving so listeners sorry excuse me from the a. W. L. about thanksgiving so it's going to be a blend and then we will tell you when you can stop later on the show if you have to work on Friday which you should quit your job if you have to work we should also say that it's Tuesday morning when we record yes so things are liable to change we're probably gonna get some things wrong. Yeah, so things are liable to change. We're probably gonna get some things wrong. It's no different from any other show, but it is Tuesday morning. Yeah, and we'll talk a little college football.

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Yeah, probably since 1991. It's, I'm very excited to watch this game. Lions have always traditionally been the Thanksgiving game where you're like, okay, let's hope it doesn't go too bad for Lions and we get the, you know, shot of a Lions fan in a pilgrim hat, sleeping in the second half. It's gonna kind of throw off everybody's schedule too, because you're used to watching the lion's game and having no expectations for the lions.

Yeah, they're not really in playoff, contention or anything like that. So you can do your meal prep, you can work on the turkey and have the lion's game on the background. I'm gonna need to watch this lion's game intently. Yes. And so I guess we're not eating Thanksgiving

in my house to probably like 6 p.m. because of that. You got to yeah, you got to watch the whole game. Got to watch everything. And if you're a Lions fan, this is this is a great weekend for you. Yeah. Because you get you get to get day drunk and excited on Thursday for Thanksgiving as opposed to like day drunk and depressed for the Lions game. Then you have Friday as a hangover day, sober up a little bit rest Saturday, Michigan Ohio State get drunken excited again. Yep. And then Sunday full day off sober up rest, deal the hangover.

Yeah. Watch football stress free. It's a perfect weekend. Yeah. It is. Detroit has finally found the perfect, perfect weekend. So that's for this game. Uh, I initially was like, Oh, I kind of like the Packers.

And then I remembered, uh remembered watching that entire Packers Chargers game that the Chargers could have and maybe should have won that game going away, except that the Chargers. And it made me realize, yeah, the Lions, especially how bad their offense looked for three quarters against the Bears. I don't think the Lions offense will look

that bad two games in a row. I think this might be a wamping. You think it's a wamping? What qualifies as a wamping? Would we would we determine on that? I think it's like 17 plus in the NFL. That's a wamping. Yeah. 17 maybe even 14 plus. They're on a wampeler. If it's 14 plus for, you know, early enough in the game, that could be a wamping. I I think the Lions are that much better than the Packers. I think the Packers are still like coming along with their team. Young guys on offense.

Aaron Jones now out. And the biggest mismatch in this game is the Packers run defense is bad. And Dan Campbell might just be like, you know what I'm going to do for Thanksgiving? I'm going to shove the ball down the Packers through. I would love that.

To Turkey's have kneecaps. That's my big question. I'm going to shove the ball down the Packers throw. I would love that. Do turkeys have kneecaps? That's my big question. I say no. On Thanksgiving, they're dead. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, but they still might have kneecaps. I would like to see Dan Campbell eat a turkey kneecap after the game. The Green Bay Packers are low key, not that great on Thanksgiving. They're 14, 20 and two all time, which doesn't really mean that much because I think the last time they played was 2014. Yeah, the Bears beat him on Brett Favre night. Is that real? It was the Thursday night of Thanksgiving. Yes, almost positive.

So it's a cutler that might not even play in that game. When you look at these historic records, it's just fun to say because it doesn't, it doesn't really make that much of a difference. But it was always in the back of my head, like for some reason, I thought that the, the packers always beat the Lions on Thanksgiving. Yeah. Like I remembered seeing it more than it's actually happened. I do like the Lions a lot in this game too. I think I think the Lions are ready to roll.

They won a game that they should have lost last week. They've got confidence going into this one. And also they have a lot to play for right now because the Eagles are going through that gauntlet right now. And the Lions, if the Eagles had lost last night, the Lions win. The lines would they would they be the one seat or would they be no Eagles have the tiebreaker. I think the Eagles would have the tiebreaker, but they're close. They are. The lines have a very realistic shot given their schedule and the Eagles schedule to end up as the one seat. And the lions are obviously playing to, you know, the

Vikings resurgence made the NFC North. it's, you know, the Vikings lost, so the Lions now are up three games on them. But there was a moment where it was like, oh, it's getting a little nervous, they do, they gotta, they gotta keep winning to make sure the Vikings don't get any like, dobs effect where you're looking at week 17, 18, and you're like, wait, is the NFC North up for grabs?

What's the verdict on the Lions getting the homes, the number one seed in the playoff, getting a buy? Because I think we've said, and a lot of people around Detroit have said, success this year on the Lions getting the homes, the number one seat in the playoff getting a buy because I think we've said and a lot of people around Detroit have said success this year for the Lions is winning a playoff game. That counts as a win. Is that count as a win? Yes. We need to sell the buy counts because if they get the buy, then they play a much more difficult opponent in the second round of the playoffs. If they happen to lose that at home, we're still counting the buy as a playoff win. Yes.

Okay. All right. Good. We're all on the same page. Yes. So maybe the lines should try to get the two seats so that they can get a true, a true win. That'd be awesome. And they would get two home playoff games. We can definitely want. We can definitely spin it into that. They actually rather have the two seat. Yeah. Okay. Let's do a Thanksgiving question. Guys on Thanksgiving. By the way, Jack Harlow is the halftime

Show for this game love that we have Jack Harlow We have Dolly Parton in the commanders cowboys. That's gonna be awesome. She's still got it. She's awesome She's still got it. Dolly part of you don't even have to say would no it's implied right Dolly Parton might be she She should be queen if we had a queen in the United States. I nominate Dolly Parton I would too. I'll throw an air or, or, or maybe Rihanna. She's like Wayne. She is like Wayne. Dolly's just queen.

Uh, nerd nugget. Sorry, Jake. It's okay. Got some help from the AWOs with this week. Shout out J.R. Howell on this one. The Lions and Packers share one of the league's streaky as series. One team has swept the other in six of the last seven years. Oh, week four lines 34 Packers 20. Yeah, and they they beat up on them. Remember that was Jared through an interception like on the first play of the game too. And you're like, oh, yeah, that might be struggling.

Oh, that was so awesome. That last last week of the year. Yeah, where they I'm counting that also as a lot of way up. Yep. Uh, by the way, so so Dolly Parton, Commander's Cowboys 49ers, Seahawks. Who do you think is being the halftime performer? Maclamore. Kid Rock. Steve Ioki. Oh, yeah.

Okay. Maybe it throws a cake in someone's face. I think that's something he does. Did he fall down the stairs at the Metcala? Yes, he did. That was embarrassing. Yeah. Well, Jason Jorulo took all the headlines because he fell first.

Mm-hmm. Hank, guys on Thanksgiving. Hey, lottery ball geniuses, Big Cat and Hank. Thank you. And also the idiot losers. I'm wondering what you guys think about Turkey. I think it's not even in the top five of other dishes at the table. My family disagrees.

Thoughts. I love Turkey. I love Turkey. I love eating it twice a year. I eat it every year on Thanksgiving and Christmas. It's one of my favorite meals. I deep fry it though. I don't like, like if you bake it turkey, the breast especially gets really dry, not that great. If you deep fry turkey and do it right, it is outstanding. It's one of my favorite

things ever. I think there has been a pushback on turkey recently. people doing steak for Thanksgiving, people doing like prime rib for Thanksgiving. I would say I love steak more than Turkey. Obviously, that's a no brainer. But Turkey on Thanksgiving is what you do. You have to keep doing it. If you start doing steak on Thanksgiving, it now diminishes state like steak, there's nothing better than a great steak dinner going out for a nice steak dinner at a steak house. Keep turkey in Thanksgiving. Let's not try to reinvent the wheel. That's when you eat turkey. There's no other time really to eat turkey. Let's eat turkey. Yep, we eat steak all year. Listen, I love turkey. It's the ritual of spending all day preparing it, cooking it, and then carving it. I love carving it too. Like, you don't get that with steak at all.

It's about family, togetherness. You get to drink beers while you're cooking the turkey. Yep. It's incredible. I love Thanksgiving. It's my favorite holiday in the world. Everyone here dark meat over white meat. Yes.

Yes. No. What? It has so much more flavor. I remember the moment when I was like 12 years old, I was like, what is this? Yeah, thighs. You can eat the kind of slimy gross part.

It's so much better. It thighs the oyster at the bottom of it. That's the best part. I don't think you've ever had dark meat. I like white meat better too. Hey, you're not a combo guy. You ever had dark meat? I like dark meat.

It just like, the white meat. It sounds like you don't like dark meat. No, I just prefer white meat. I don't think that you've had dark meat. I've had dark meat. No, I don't think you have. White meat's better with a bite. Like if you get like the bite of the mashed potatoes

and the stuffing, when the white meat, like in combos better, like the dark meat, is the texture, the texture. You need to have, here's my thing with the white meat. If you're eating the breast, it has to have some skin on it, at the very least. I can't, I don't like doing just like a big fork full of pure breast meat.

But yeah, you have it like with a bite with something else. Yeah, but dark meat, you don't need that. Have you guys heard of this one? Have you heard this one? Leftovers are actually the best part about Thanksgiving. Oh, the sandwich, the following. Everyone always thinks that they're like discovering this new thing called leftovers.

It's really just like, yeah, I'm fat, I eat all day, by the time we get to half time of the night game, I'm ready to eat again. I wanna stand out on a soapbox and pound my chest for stuffing. Oh, stuffing is, we should eat stuffing way more frequently than we do. It's the best, the problem with stuffing,

I think is the name, you can eat stuffing and not be than we do. It's the best. The problem with stuffing, I think, is the name. You can eat stuffing and not be like, I'm a fat fuck. We call it dressing grown up. Right. You from the South, you call it dressing. Stuffing is the fat fuck. It's essentially being like,

oh, what am I gonna have for dinner? Donuts. You just know going into it. It's called stuffing. Yeah. So, but yeah, I agree. Stuffing, I do cranberry sauce on everything. I do gravy on everything It's the best so we talk about the intro to that call referring to Hank and Big Cat is being lottery ball geniuses

Because there's been a discussion about that for the last 24 hours. Yeah, I just assume we were gonna talk about at the end of the show When we do lottery balls. I could do it now. We can wait. Yeah, that's what we call a tease in the bits That's a little nice little tease. All right, next game, Cowboys Commanders. Cowboys are gonna fucking kill the commanders. Yeah, do it, kill me now. Kill me now, Dallas. Like just put me out of my misery. Take Ron out.

I'm almost, it's sad to say this. Like once the game starts, I will obviously be rooting for the commanders to win. But now that I have, I've got pre-dot clarity right now because it's a Tuesday and the game's not for another two days. It would be great if we got our ass kicked and then Ron and Jack Do'ryo both got fired. That's what I would like to see because it's been depressing watching this team. Again, we lost to the giants.

Credit to the giants. The giants are not a very good team, but they're way better than we are. And so that should tell you exactly where you stand right now. So I'm hoping right now, in this moment that we get our ass kicked by Mark McCarty, probably going to smash a turkey like it's a watermelon with a sledgehammer before the game. And they blow us out Josh Harris fires Ron and Jack Del Rio. And then we get to see be in me for the rest of the season. That's what I'm hoping for. And so Sam Howles better. So the the Cowboys have killed the really bad teams. Yep killed the jets, they killed the Patriots, they killed the giants twice, they killed

the Panthers. Samhouse better than all those quarterbacks that I just, of the teams I just listed. The one thing that is in common though with those teams is bad offensive line. Yep. So I think that's the common denominator here that Sam Howell is going to struggle with is the Cowboys eat against bad offensive lines. And I feel like this is also the Cowboys on Thanksgiving if they got your number and really the Cowboys in general at home that I think they've won 12 in a row at home. It does feel like they kind of play old school BCS football where they're like we're going to run up the score and get some style point. Yeah, yeah.

Jerry wants to, Jerry might be like bonuses for everyone for every point over 10 that we win. It makes him look good, right? For the national audience, Jerry wants us win big time. So, yeah, if I were to bet on this, I would probably bet on the Cowboys. I'm not to lose. You can't have to think that the commanders

have a fighting chance. I guess everyone has a fighting chance in the NFL, but I don't see them winning this game. Yeah. All right, Hank, question, sorry, nerd nugget. Micah Parsons is the first player in Cowboys franchise history with 10 sacks in each of his first three seasons. He's also the first player since 2007, Sean Merriman, to have 10 plus sacks in each of his first three seasons.

You know what, Micah Parsons needs? And Max, maybe I'm missing this, but does he have like a signature celebration that he does? I don't, not that I know of. I would like to see Micah Parsons do like his own signature thing to celebrate. I think I would go a long way towards people recognizing how good he is,

because Sean Merriman had the lights out, which was iconic. Yeah, you're right. We need that, you're right, you're absolutely right. Hey boys, this one might be fake Oh My girlfriend wants me to come to her house for Thanksgiving. We're going strong dating three years may propose soon Only issue is that I kind of had a max situation with her brother and woke up one night in his bed

Oh Everyone was fucked up and I didn't see him on the cheek. I didn't want the brother to think I was banging his sister So I slept in his bed at least that's what I think I did when I was drunk I woke up in the middle of the night to the brother touching my lower back and butt Softly, but it was weird with his hand. Oh, you got it. Yeah, you got to be out. I moved to my girlfriend's bed I haven't seen him since that day two weeks ago And he's bringing his new boyfriend of one week to their Thanksgiving. Because the boyfriend is Canadian

and doesn't do Thanksgiving. How do I get out of this? Do I tell my girlfriend? Did I get molested by my girlfriend's brother? Love you guys, thanks for bringing it great pot. You're kind of sending mixed signals here. I think it's all about provocation. I'm saying he's slept in the guy's bed.

I would, if I were that guy, I'd be flattered. Yeah, I actually think now that we have the wrinkle that the boyfriend is gay, I think that's totally fine now. Yeah. You slept in his bed. It would be weirder if that was how he came out of the closet and I accidentally slept in his bed and he made a move on me.

Because then it would be the whole family like what the hell happened. Yeah, you shouldn't have been in that bed. I would be like, still got it. Yeah. There's, it makes no sense. What do you mean? You just try to do some little boy ass player.

He's been, that's, that's facts. He said he's dating his, the girl for three years and he didn't want the brother to think he was banging his sister. That's kind of weird. Yeah, that is kind of weird. They've been dating for three years. I think he probably knows.

And he was like, at least that's what I think I did when I was drunk. Hmm, sounds like that. Sounds like there might be more to the story. Yeah. It sounds like this guy might be embarrassed because he thinks maybe he came on to the brother. Oh. Things got out of hand.

Oh. And then he's trying to act like that never happened by blaming it on that guy. Sounds like the brothers trying to take down the whole family. Oh, sorry, this guy's trying to take down the whole family. This would be a great way to do it. Okay, yeah, that's an interesting thing, it's giving. Just bring up politics.

Just get everyone off the trail here. It's like what are you guys voting for? Okay, before we do the last two games, Amazon Music, Hey Prime members, did you know you could be listening to this podcast episode in all barstool sports podcasts on Amazon Music, ad free, simply include with your prime membership.

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I think she knows gonna play. But we don't know how healthy is gonna be. My only note for this game was that we got two interesting uniforms, Niners wearing the throwback whites, and then the Seahawks wearing their neon greens. Ooh. Which I think that plays at night on Thanksgiving. Yeah, kind of wake you up. Yeah, it plays like a smelling salt for the end of Thanksgiving.

Yeah. I think the Niners are all the way back. And I think it was as simple as Trent Williams and Devo Samuel were out. Pete Carroll owns, Kyle Shanahan. Shit. You don't write.

Don't forget that. You're right. I think it's gonna be a better game than people think. I, you know what I would really love to see those neon green Seahawks uniforms at night, in Seattle, in the rain, Pete Carroll chopping like six things a gum, with his hair slick backs, smiling like slapping guys,

doing low fives left and right when they're coming to the sidelines. That's what I'm mentally visualizing when I picture this game. And if that happens, I'll be very happy. This is also a prime DK gets into some type of fight or argument on the sid line or on the field. A standalone one. Yeah, there's going to be a DK cam. You see him before, before their last game when he went up the referee's like, Hey, just so you know, I'm going to block my ass off. But when you, when you blow the whistle, I will stop just so you know, though,

I will be blocking hard until that point. I like that because when you see DK just abusing defensive backs, it looks like it should be a penalty. Yeah. Single time. But when he does it before the whistle, it's actually not a penalty. He just rough as fuck. Yeah. Throw you around. So he has to let people know, hey, I'm going to be playing football. It's going to look bad. But I'm going to stop playing football when you blow the whistle. Yeah. Play to the end of the whistle. I like that. Uh, Hank. Nerd nugget. Oh, nerd nugget.

The 49ers of one nine consecutive regular choosing games against the NFC West, dating back to week 18 of 2021 season. Okay, so that kind of goes in the face of the whole Pete Carroll owns Kal Shanean thing. Yeah, but we'll stick with it. Okay, we don't care. We'll just go with Kenneth Walker's out.

We pick our own nervous. I just remember Kenneth Walker's out. He is out. That's gonna be big. So they got Sharban A. And I know that Geno's optimistic to play, but he missed part of the game against the Rams. He had to come out of the game and it's a short week.

Like there's no way he's just magically 100%. Yeah, I'm with you now. I want to see Drew Lock. I would like to see Drew Lock. It just would be a nice like like, by the end of Thanksgiving, everyone's full, you're kind of sick of being around your family. Drew Lock is the perfect quarterback to come in to just start a discussion and be like,

hey, yeah, this guy, wait, you can turn to one of your family members, be like, wait, watch, Drew Locks, they do some fuck shit. Yeah, here's a fun thing you could say. According to Von Miller, Drew Locked through the most impressive incompletion that he's ever seen in training camp. Yeah. Okay.

We got a very long drive between two families, so we will unfortunately be missing actual dinner time when it's getting served. What's the best way to approach the leftovers when we get there? How does that work out? Where are you going to two thanks-giving's missing both the dinner?

Pick one. You got to have one dinner and then arrive for the leftovers or the other one for Christmas. Yeah you can't miss both dinners. Yeah that's I think you have to go if you're if you're gonna miss both dinners you gotta go heavy appetizers like a first-for-situation. Yeah you gotta go heavy appetizers the first one maybe stop for burger. So burger places situation. Yeah, you gotta go heavy appetizers, the first one. Maybe stop for burger. So burger places open. Yeah, they're open.

Yeah, they might be open. They do close a lot of shit on things. Let's burger place would be open. I don't know. It sounds like a husband and wife. Let's go to year folks place early and then we'll go to my folks place late, but we're not gonna have Thanksgiving.

So instead of pick a big, yeah, I agree. We'll go terrible place. Cause now you're gonna have two families that are of, yeah, I agree. We'll go. Terrible play. Cause now you're gonna have two families that are mad at you. You gotta go to hers. You gotta eat dinner at hers. Yeah, and heavy appetizers.

Heavy appetizers to start. Yeah, as I always, I mean, cheese and crackers. I tap out early. And then I find my strength again, but cheese and crackers. I go, I'll just sit there in front of it and just be like eating all of it. I'll eat a whole block of cheese on Thanksgiving. What's your move? Mine is, first thing, I'll have like a glass of white wine

to start, and then I'll have some crackers, some cheese, maybe a couple grapes. And then after about an hour of that, I start switching over to beer, then it's beer time, baby. I like to crack open a course light at the start of the lion's game. Once I see the turkey, once I start getting the start of the Lions game. Once I see the turkey, once I start getting the turkey ready to be cooked,

when I see meat, now it's time for beer. Yeah, now it's time for beer. Yeah. Okay, last game, we'll do the Black Friday game, Dolphins and Jets. I said this on Sunday, I'll say it again. I think the dolphins, they have been taken out of fraud watch for me, I think they are very much for real and I think they will kill the jets

We have Tim Boyle. It's Tim Boyle time That's I Okay, yeah, he might be better than Zach Wilson He handled the bright lights of the New York media shut up the New York media. We won again We destroyed Zach Wilson. Yeah Zach it's funny when you watch like all the different different clips of Salah over the last year, year and a half talking about Zach Wilson after a game. He said the exact same thing after every single game.

Yep. There's certainly some plays that I think if you asked Zach, he wished that he could have done better. There's a lot of plays though that we all wish we could have done better. But yeah, Zach, listen, he's trying. We saw a lot of good things during the week. And he'd be the first one to tell you he needs to improve. And we believe he can improve. And he said that for about a year and a half. And it never happened. Yeah. And now it's Tim Boyle time. And they're they're lack of a plan at backup quarterback has, I mean, it's not

going to get held against them because the story about this whole season is just Aaron Rogers got hurt first game season kind of a wash anyways. but they they knew what they had in Zach Wilson going into this year. And they had absolutely no other plan. And then I think they decided to ride with Zach to try to keep the locker room together. And in reality, that probably drove the locker room further apart because weekend, week out, you've got guys that are planned or they're asked off on defense that know that the guy that's playing quarterback is not giving them a chance to win. Yes. So I guess credit to Salah for not getting like a complete mutiny in his team and for finally

making the right choice. Yeah. The only positive spin zone I would have for the Jets to go to Tim Boyle is that you saw in the bills game and this happens for NFL teams where if the quarterback and the offense is really, really bad, there is a definite point where the defense will, I don't want to say quit because I don't think they quit, but it gets so tiresome because the jets have defense has been great all year, but they also know going into a game, if they give up 10 points, they lose. Yeah.

So that like pressure Get so intense that you have this breaking point where it's like what we can't you're asking us to play perfect football Every single game we cannot sustain that every every unit has an off-game So that would be my only spins under the jets that maybe the defense buys back in a little bit because it's like Tim Boyle Maybe he can do something on Tim until Tim Boyle sucks and then you see it again where it's like the defense buys back in a little bit because it's like Tim Boyle, maybe he can do something until Tim Boyle sucks. And then you see it again where it's like, the defense is what the fuck, what are we gonna do? Then they might go back to Zach Wilson.

Yeah. Actually the worst thing that happened the judge this season was Zach Wilson playing really well outplaying Patrick Mahomes in that chiefs game. Yeah. And then they were like, wait, we might, let's give him another couple months here. That was it.

That was it, sorry, memes. That was the moment. P it. Sorry, memes. That was the moment. PFT, I have a positive note for you. Okay. We had the anonymous player poll on the athletic today. Worse Stadium in football, not FedEx Stadium. Let's go FedEx field.

FedEx field, not the worst stadium, MetLife. Voted the worst stadium. That's unreal. They said the turf. You couldn't. You said it's boring. Did they do this poll before you couldn't shower there after the game last year I think I don't know but let's just go with it. Okay. Yeah, it was enough margin It was enough of a margin of victory for you. It was 18.4% for MetLife Stadium FedEx field was 13.9%

I love it. So that's pretty good. That's a win. MetLife does suck. It does suck It just thinks it It's blah. The entire area around it. I don't like stadiums that are shared between two teams. Yeah. You don't get the full vibe. Yeah. No, it feels like you're just always like a weekend.

You're a weekend guest. Yeah. Yeah. It's like I'm not home. I can't kick my feet up. They're going to change everything in a second. It's Airbnb. Yeah.

All right, Jake, nerd nugget. Since the start of 2021 on Robert Salat, took over as head coach, the jets are one of two teams that I've thrown more interceptions than touchdown passes with the panthers. Also, the jets have benched Zach Wilson and back-to-back seasons and replaced them with quarterbacks from Eastern Kentucky, Tim Boyle, and Western Kentucky. Oh, that's so. You didn't want to call that nerd nugget of the week? What's coming? Okay, because that, that's in the running for nerd nugget of the week.

Might be. I'll solve Kentucky. This is revenge on the two of hands. I want the dolphins to destroy the jets I met. Like still for people who don't know one of the funniest stories that Jake was upset about. But I think it's very funny when he went to the game with Billy jets dolphins last years after two of got concussed and Jets fans were mocking Jake by doing the Tua concussion hands.

hilarious revenge. I don't think it's a funny move that they were doing it. I know it's funny. I think that Jake seeing that and getting like a permanent scar is very funny. Yeah. I'm going to say it was a funny move. I don't know. I just like like NFL was a funny move. I don't know. I just like, like NFL fans are savages.

I don't know. Like when you go to a game, all bets are off. I, well now that he's okay. Yeah. Yeah, by the way, yeah, I mean, what did, we'll talk about it with Florial with Tuah. He had a nice nugget when we get to Florial. That might be the nugget of the week.

Yeah, that might be Florial might have dropped it. Okay, Hank. Thanksgiving question. Is it really a proper Thanksgiving dinner if people don't talk about the current political and economic state of the world? Turkey or ham, cranberries are sweet potatoes. Mmm, turkey.

Turkey. Wait, what is the question? Turkey. Turkey. Ham. Turkey. Cranberries are sweet potatoes. I don't think that's cranberry sweet potatoes aren't. They ask the question. You can have both. I usually have both. I'm not sure if I can. I'm not sure if I can. I'm not sure if I can. I'm not sure if I can. I'm not sure if I can.

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I'm not sure if I can. I'm not sure if I can. I'm not sure if I can. I'm not sure if I can. I'm not sure if I can. I'm not sure if I can. I'm not sure if I can. It's the only time I have the cranberry also good for your own attract. Yep. It's fact Okay, let's do our picks and then we'll get to hot sea cool throne So everyone's got to do one pick of these four games So we'll do three picks this week give us the standings. Yeah, so for the opening act We have max at 13 and nine Jake at 11 points two points. Yeah max at 13 Jake at 11 and a half and memes at 10 So these one and a half behind me for the main event Some separation big cat 13 and a half PFT 13 tank eight and a half. Oh

It's not good eight and a half. Hey, I got a sex strip pick could help them. I got a question for you When we broadcast this is it gonna be broadcast on PM TV or is it gonna be on Viva TV What do you think pft? I think well you might you might be the one that's the star of it So it might be we would rename it diva TV for you. Ha ha ha ha you walked into that you would rename it Diva TV for you. Ha ha ha, you walked into that. Take a one.

I was wondering where you were going with that. He just walked you right down the line. You were fucking, you know what you were, you were, I was tripping them, to dunk. You were in the car with Silvio. What's her name? Adriana. Yeah, that's what you were.

PFT with Silvio, you were Adriana. Hey, where are we going? Take this exit right here. Why are we getting off the road here? That was what you just said, happened to you. How are you feeling about your bets? And then I feel bad. I was driving last night and I kind of,

you know, last week when I heard the record, I was like, damn, I feel like I'm probably gonna lose this. And then, Sunday, I checked the scores, realized I went on to it, was like, that's not good. And then for whatever reason, yesterday I was driving, it kind of really set in. Yeah. And I started having a panic attack.

So. Yeah, PFT and I have been pretty consistent. Like we've been, I don't remember many O and two. I feel like we pick up a point almost every week. I go one and one a lot. Yeah. I'm not going to talk about it. I think I'm just going to, you know,

we'll maybe film some stuff for a vlog to be determined later. I do have somewhat of a plan. Okay. It's gonna be a train wreck, but I'm, you're not out of it though. That's not out of it. I feel like I'm out of it.

I'm going forward prepared to do the stand up and I'm just gonna plan to do the stand up. Okay, so somehow when it'd be a joke by both of you guys who's who's picking first your Jake I think memes that it's him so it's memes and Hank then me all the way around Okay, sure memes Memes had to catch his flight did he text you as pigs? He's saying the text one of us But he said he wanted the Cowboys. All right. He he's taking the cowboys. Cowboys my son half against Washington.

He didn't text that though. Max, he said he wanted the cowboys, right? That's all we have. Yeah, the only thing he said was his first pick was cowboys. Okay, so he's got the cowboys. Hank. Hank, you have the second pick. There should be, you should be able to get this. I haven't got anything. Okay. Do I fade myself? Do I trust myself? I don't know.

Do I fade myself? Go, just go. Packers. Lines. Packers. Seven half. I'm big cat takes lines, so that's just huge. This is huge for the competition. Just so we're clear. I'm not gonna do that every time. Just so we're clear, no matter what you were gonna say, I was gonna say lions because I do like the lions lot. God, it's not. Oh yeah, sure.

We started the preview, I said I love the lions. Yeah. The hackers should have lost the chargers. Yep. I also, to be fair, we didn't start secretly submitting until like four weeks to go. Also Hank, that's good for you. You want me to pick opposite of you.

Yeah, I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna do that every time. I'm gonna do that every time. I'm gonna do that every time. I'm gonna do that every time. I'm gonna do that every time. I'm gonna do that every time. I also to be fair we don't we didn't start secretly submitting until like four weeks to go also Hank that's good for you You want me to pick opposite of you. He's just thinking worst case scenario Yeah, right and easier way to gain ground It's easier way to greet gain ground if you win this bet and I lose it you have gained a full point Thanks on tilt right now. He is I'm gonna take the over in the nine or see hawks 43 and a half love it

love it Jake I'm gonna take the Hawks 43 and a half. Love it. Love it. Jake. I'm gonna take the dolphins minus nine and a half. Okay. Okay. I will take the over and Commander's Cowboys. Okay. So those are, that's 48 and a half.

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My hot seat is anyone that actually believes stuped dog was off the smoke. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I had, I had cool throne. He gave up smoke and weed or he said, he said I gave up smoke last weekend and then surprise it was a marketing stunt.

Yeah, it was a great stunt. It was for a smokeless fire pit, I think. But he, I mean, which kind of looks cool, but, no, smoke is kind of fun part of a fire pit where you smell it. Yeah, smellin' like a fire afterwards. It's kind of fun. It's kind of fun. Did a fire pit where you smell it. Yeah, smell like a fire afterwards. It's kind of fun.

It looks, did you see Joe Biden's birthday cake? Yeah. With the 81 candles on it. It looked like the thing that Snoop Dogg was advertising. That was insane. It was a funny picture. But yeah, I mean, Snoop Dogg saying he quit smoke was like legitimately head by news for like two days.

Yeah. He quit, like what, 15 years ago? You remember that? No. He was like, I kicked the habit and then he went on some talk. He quit, like, what, 15 years ago? You remember that? No. He was like, I kicked a habit and then he went on some talk show and he's like, I thought you kicked it, he's like, yeah, I kicked back. Back on. Yeah.

And then my cool throne is covert operations. Oh. I absolutely love this move. Shohei O'Tani said he's going to be doing secret meetings with teams and it will be held against them if it leaks that the meeting happened. Oh, I like that. I like that. So, Aida Michigan, I love that. Yeah. I love that. Like, when you have, when you're, you know, that recruited that sought after, you have all the power. Why not? Just be like, I'm going to meet with you. And if you say something like, it's never happening.

This also is great because then it gives, it gives him like an out to be like, I would have came, but you leaked it. And it's great too, because if a reporter reports on it and then show he doesn't go to that team, we can all blame the reporter. That's huge. Yeah. And if you're a team that's not in the show, hey, running, you should just leak that you took a meeting with show, hey, and be like, oh, the only reason he's not coming here is you.

Yeah. Somebody leaked this. Yeah. Oh, somebody leaked this. Yeah. Oh, I liked this. Okay. PFT or hot seat cool drum. My hot seat is Greg Berhalter. Ooh, the coach of the US men's national team. Out.

He should be out. Yeah, hot seat Greg, he lost a Trinidad and Tobago. Oh, can't do that. We actually did do that in 2018. That's why we didn't make the world cup. It was the second leg of the nation's league quarter finals. We all know that tournament very well. But we beat them three nothing in the first leg. So we ended up advancing, which means that we did qualify for Copa America. And then the US national team after we lost two, one to Trinidad

and Tobago, they tweeted out like, we've qualified like that. Great job. But you just lost to turn it out into Bego. He's one four and five in games played in ConquerCalf outside the United States. He stinks. We brought him back. He doesn't get along with any of the best players on the team. Fire Greg. Fire. Fire. Yes. Get him out. Do the right thing. Get him out. This is the golden generate. Get him out. And Greg screwing it up before our world cup. Yes. But we do have a good scapegoat in case we don't do well in the world cup. And that's Greg. Yes. Well, we do have a good scapegoat in case we don't do well in the World Cup, and that's Greg.

Yes. Yeah, we're automatically entered, right? We are entered, we can't. We're gonna qualify. Yeah, we're qualified. Congratulations. I congrats to the United States for qualifying for the World Cup.

Although I am saying, like, this is where soccer should succeed in America in this World Cup. Our players are good enough, and Greg's gonna screw it all up. Yes. Okay. You're cool, Tom?

My cool throwing is gonna be Snoop Dogg smoking weed. Oh. He's still doing it. Nice. Okay. My hot seat is Jim Harbour and Ryan Day. We should talk about this game for a second. It is probably the biggest game.

It feels like the biggest game in college football in a very long time because of not only the playoff implications, big tent title, but everything that is going on with this rivalry, I'm so excited for Saturday. If Ryan Day loses, I don't know what like he he's he's got to be I don't want to say he's getting a fire because he's obviously won a lot of games at Ohio State and he had them He almost beat Georgia last year, which is sounds like loser talk But holy shit would this be a masculating for it. It'd be great It would be great for Jim Harbaugh if they can beat Ohio State in this game They asked him Harbaugh like talk about the respect that you have for Ryan Day and and the coaching staff at Ohio State

And he just straight up said, you know, we're doing everything that we can't prepare for this game. It's a big game for us. Like completely ignore the question. Yes. He hates Ryan Day. Ryan Day hates him. I want to see Lou Holtz doing the gritty if Ohio State loses. That would be great. This is Lou Holtz is super ball. Yes. If he loses this game. Jim Harbor also said, uh, the team is in one piece like his mom's bathing suit. That was a Ted Lasso joke that he stole. Got it. Yeah.

I saw that going around. I stopped watching after the first season. I did too, but I saw other people that had watched it that said, hey, this is actually just word for word, bar for bar, a Ted Lasso. Damn. I thought Harbo was working on a nice tight five. I thought he'd have his own material.

Yeah. The other news in college football, obviously, Jordan Travis getting hurt. That sucks so much now We have the debate can for to stay be kept out if they're undefeated. I don't think you can I think that would be One you have cardel Jones is a is a point of A backup quarterback third third string quarterback. So maybe the maybe For say it has to beat Louisville 59 nothing in the in the ACC championship

game like Cardell Jones did to the Badgers. And it sticks because I had Jordan Travis actually as my highest trophy winner, but I don't think that you can give it to him now. So you have to go to Jan. Jan. Jan. Janiel's would be the only logical choice. That's you're making a lot of sense right now. I they won't leave out an undefeated forest state. I'm pretty confident. And if they do, like everything's democracy. That's bullshit. Because you, it doesn't matter who's starting quarter. If they win all their games in a power five conference,

like you're essentially saying games don't matter. You're just playing the whole thing on an Excel spreadsheet. We're like, who's the healthiest? Yeah, I agree. I agree 100%. If you, if you look at Florida State and you play the game of well I don't know if their quarterback now is as good as the one that we saw when all those games then you're not actually about football Yeah, you're about you like you you are deciding a loss for Florida State

I also think for all the hand-ranging we're doing about the college football playoff because you have the whole Texas Alabama problem I think it will all get sorted out. I think Georgia will beat Alabama, which will then eliminate Alabama and Texas. So Texas is weirdly rooting for Alabama. Yeah, it's their best win. It's their best win. So it will be Georgia, Florida State, Big Ten champ, Pac-12 champ. That feels like the what happens easy way the crazy thing would be like what happens if Alabama wins If Alabama beats Georgia in the SEC championship game. yeah, I think they would still keep Georgia in. Yeah. No, I don't think so. I don't think so. It depends on what everyone else does, but I think it'd be pretty tough to keep Georgia in

if you had like an undefeated Washington, undefeated Florida state, undefeated Ohio state, or Michigan, you can't. Yeah, there's a completely, yeah, there's, there's different variables. So any of those teams could also lose. Right. So, but the major monkey wrench comes into play if Alabama beats Georgia. Yeah, if the Pac-12 beats itself alive, if Texas catches another loss, then yes, I would agree.

Georgia and Alabama would probably both be in with Florida State and the Big 10 being the other two teams. Yeah. But yeah, I'm ex rivalry week. Nothing better. I wish the Texas and A&M were playing on, I know it's a, did they play on Thanksgiving? Yeah, they should have played on Thanksgiving.

We got the egg bowl. That's good. That's the egg bowl. And also credit to Washington and Washington state for figuring out a way to do the apple cup. Yeah, for each team. So they're going to continue to do the apple cup into the future. I love that.

We need the Civil War, Oregon and Oregon State to continue as well. Yep, it should be a great game on Friday. And then my cool throne is journalism. So obviously last week, we made some headlines. People were flipping out about Karesa telling a story she'd already told before. And again, not saying that she's just making up stuff,

Willie Nilly, essentially saying, if she couldn't talk to a coach, or if a coach said, if the coach said something like, I'm not gonna answer your question, but your perfume smells great. Right. And she knew the coach,

she would use a cliche to update. And everyone was like, how could you do this? How could you, it's in a front to journalism? It did make me laugh a little bit on Monday night and this is no fault of Lisa Salters because she's told what to do in terms of what they want her to report on. When she, they broke down to her

and she gave an update on where Taylor Swift is. Yep, that was very funny. Yep, so journalism, you gotta make sure. I keep it. I think the people that were most upset about the Chris The Thing were other sideline reporters. Right. That want to stand up for their profession as they should.

Yeah, they should. I understand that point of view, but I think for the majority of football fans, you're like, well, okay, this doesn't really make that much of a difference. It just became a very quick topic where everyone's like, Chris is just making up lies. And that's so not clearly not what she's doing. But yeah, it's the internet. People are gonna get mad about everything. They get mad about literally everything.

So it happens. Jake, your hot seat cool to run. My hot seat is Bill Walton. He was what the kids say are on one last night, late night at the Maui invotational. He had a handful of interesting quotes, including commenting on his play partners' recent loss of his father. He talked about, he said, have you ever done that?

Still there with a vibrator and then with the ice pack on your shoulders. So he was just being Bill Walton at the Maui Invitational. That's kind of what you get when you get Bill Walton. Yeah. You know, like he he's gonna do stuff like that I mean I wasn't surprised to hear that You get the good in the bed, you know, yeah, he adds loose with it. Yeah, I love them adds color to college basketball big time big time Let Bill Walton cook definitely I'd like to get him and Al Michaels in the booth together. That'd be great. That would be a a mind meld. Yeah

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So it's got that real flavor to it. Yes. We also have a t-shirt. I don't know. It might be in the studio somewhere. We have decorating that studio, Jake. Yeah. Get it going. Should I bring my wall of credentials? I haven't hang in here for my apartment. Literally anything. Yeah. Bring your wall of credentials.

Okay. I'll bring my wall of credentials. We're going to end up in merch. We got to get figured out the camera situation. We'll talk after. Okay. We also have my wall of credential. We're gonna end up with merch. We gotta get figured out the camera situation. We'll talk after. Okay. We also have a t-shirt. That's like the first thing we're gonna have. We said two weeks ago.

Yeah, it's been procrastination over here. We have a t-shirt of a lottery ball machine in a high-smum pose with a football. It's a lottery ball like mascot. Love it. Let me see if I, it might be out there. I think the Corduroy PMT hat that PFT is wearing is the hot. I love this one.

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And I like a lot of parts. Super, super comfortable. Also, we did do a deal with 47 brands. We have some new hats. Thanks for wearing it right now. Just covered this. Just covered this. There's so they're the best hitting fitting hats. I'm wearing actually 47 brand right now. And the I've got a little we've been wearing them since the summer. Jerry Ward also probably bar so I warmed during the rider cut. PFT has been wearing it. The Navy blue and tan part of my take hats got a lot of comments about

when those are going on sale. That will also be black. Nice. Stubbed off. These are 20% off. If you want to be a member of the Sellaboo Coffee Club, that's also the membership. Yearly membership is 20%. If you're watching on YouTube, it's the Heisman. I guess not really. I love it. Lotteryball mascot. Yeah. Holding a football. I love it. I love it. And ugly sweaters. Yeah, ugly sweaters, everything. Everything's there. Your friend, your friend, good friend, poppin' off.

You're good friend Tiffany. Yeah, her sweater's great. It's her saying that motherfucker's not real to Santa Claus. Dave won't be counting that sweater towards revenue. Well, yeah, he was hating on her and he was like, yeah, she doesn't sell merch. It's the seventh best song that we sweater. Wow, look at you run those numbers up.

Step it up. Is it the sale-run law? And Tiff, Tiff. Hit me up yesterday and she asked you, so I got to need one of those just cover hats. Oh, love it. Yeah, love it. Good.

Santa Ron, made have to hand deliver it. That might have to. Might have to. Okay, let's get you our crazy uncle, Mike Florio. And then again, if you are working on Friday, you can stop after Florio. We'll talk about all the Sundays games. So yeah, I'm sorry for anyone who has to work on Friday. So before we get to Florio, it's time for our interview with Mike Florio and shout out

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from Pro Football Talk. You can see him on the cock every single morning. You can also see him on NBC for some of night football. We thought in the spirit of Thanksgiving week, we should have our crazy uncle who's got takes that firing out of his, you know, every side of his mouth on to talk some football and catch up. So, Uncle Mike, it's great to see you. Let's get into it. Let's get some takes going. Well, you know, first of all,

you call me one of your favorite guests. Yeah, I hear from you guys as often as I would hear from you if you actually were my family members. Right, that's one to you. Right, that's one to you. One to you. Once a year. Once a year.

I've been texting it out there about like once a month to the group like, hey, we should have Floreo on at some point. And then everyone's like, yeah, you're right. We should and then we forget it Though we just forget and now we invite you on for Thanksgiving, right? We love you. That's why we don't have to text all the time Are you fixing? Oh, okay? Okay, okay. All right, all right, Mike. We love you Mike. We love you Oh, I love you too It's nice to hear from you, you know more frequently than During Thanksgiving week. Okay, all right, so my floreo not our uncle or Jewish grandmother got it, okay?

I never hear from you boys. Oh There's a fine line between Jewish grandmother and a time That's true very fine line. They are one in the same. All right, so I want to get into it I want to talk everything in the NFL. I want to start with my favorite current Florio take thing that he is on. It is the Bengals. It is the Joe Burrow hand injury. It is the class action lawsuit against the NFL.

Tell us where, like you want to sue the NFL. I know you do. Now, look, your boss is already gonna sue them, apparently. I still can't figure out whether or not it's real or it's a bit, but this whole legalized gambling industry has tentacles that the NFL needs to be concerned about. And I've been sounding that alarm, and here's why. I don't wanna cover the lawsuit.

I don't wanna have to go to court and sit there and watch it all play out. Because it's very simple. If you're going to make millions from legalized gambling and you're going to have an injury reporting system that is flawed, that is broken, that isn't enforced. And somebody eventually hides an injury and it makes a difference. And Thursday night's game was the biggest example of it. We have the video that the Bengals posted and then deleted a Joe Borough with the wrist wrap, the arm sleeve, whatever it was. He wasn't wearing it as a fashion statement. And then he suffers the season ending injury

the next night. If it traces back to whatever he was wearing that wrist sleeve for and they hid that injury, that's the kind of thing. And we see people fall out, crazy ass lawsuits all the time. This one isn't all that crazy. If I bet on the Bengals and the Bengals hit that information, that would be very relevant to me believing the Bengals could cover the spread or win the money line, that's exactly

the kind of thing that could cause someone with legal gambling to do something about it. When it's the days of illegal gambling, you can't do anything about it. You can't do anything about it. You're gonna sue over losing a bet that was illegal anyway, but now that it's everywhere, not everywhere yet, but now that it's legal in so many states and the NFL's making so much money

off of it, they've got to enforce that rule or they're gonna end up in a massive lawsuit? It's just a matter of time, guys. You said that you would hate to have to go cover this lawsuit. You don't want to go to court and cover this thing. Yeah. You actually would love to do this. Yeah.

Let's be honest. That was a lie. You would be really good at doing that, too. I always say when things get kind of, when it hits a lull in the NFL, and Florino starts doing the fan fiction that me and Hank talk about where you're like, oh, what if this happened or this happened, this happened. Like you can, you know, you wander a little bit, you stray, you're entertaining, but you

stray sometimes. But when it comes to like the legal stuff, that's where Floreo starts cooking. So I actually think that you would love to see this lawsuit get agreed. You may be right. Yeah. And my, the crux of your point is it's not even like, obviously, there's a gambling side of this because of the legalization. But how many teams you think in the NFL are not telling the truth on

the injury report? And do you like, are you auditing it every week? I'd imagine every week, you're like basically watching all like the beat reporters trying to figure out exactly who's lying and who's not lying. It sounds like the worst job in the world, but I think you're up for the task. No, but I'm not doing that part of it. I just wait for the obvious issues to arise. Like when you watch an Eagles game and Jalen Hertz doesn't have the burst that we're used to seeing and then he shows up in the second half wearing a brace on his knee and we go back and look and see if a knee injury was ever disclosed for jail and hurts and then we hear he's

had a knee bruise for weeks and he's never been on the report. That's something that makes you say, why do you even have this thing if you're not going to have obvious injuries on it? And just last week, Doug Peterson, the coach of the Jaguars, told reporters that the offense has been limited because of Trevor Lawrence's knee injury. And Lawrence himself said last week to reporters, the knees getting better, et cetera, et cetera. We hadn't been on the report in three weeks. And I asked the league about it. And their answer was to say to the Jaguars, hey, putting back on the report, if they don't enforce it, teams are just going to say, hey, we've got a strategic reason to keep this information secret, especially as it relates to quarterbacks. I'm extra

sensitive to it as it relates to quarterbacks, because those are the guys that make the game go. And if you've got a quarterback who has an injury that is hidden from the general public that is betting their hard earned dollars to use Dave Bortnore's line, my hard earned dollars are being wagered legally on this and it's not on the up and up. It's a problem. It is a major problem and it's no different than you know when you're buying and selling stocks you want all the information that's out there to help you make your decision. You don't want lying. You don't want inside information to be misappropriated. It's the same idea once it turns legal and becomes this massive multi-billion dollar industry.

So if you're hiding quarterback injuries, that's a problem. And that's mainly what I'm looking for. Quarterback injuries that are being hidden by the teams. Yeah, and $500,000, I think that was the bet, right? Yeah. That he made, he could have bought 500,000 bar stool sports with that amount of money.

Mm-hmm. So that is, that's a significant damage, right? I think a jury would be sympathetic. Mike's a silent protector. Yeah, I like all the rules, people. Follow the goddamn rule. You remember Brady, the Patriots used to do with everybody in the injury report like every week.

And it's like it's way easier to say everyone's hurt because in the NFL, everyone's hurt. I was talking to somebody about that. I was talking to Devin McCordy about this the other night at the studio at NBC. Why not just list everyone? Why not overdo it? When you underdo it, it becomes a problem.

And the reason Brady, remember when Brady was on the injury report every week with the right shoulder? Remember that? The reason they did that was because he would have ice on his shoulder after the games and reporters were like, does he have an injury? Why isn't the injury disclosed? So the Patriots was like, well, fuck it. We'll put him on every week with a shoulder.

So you could ask him, that's why he has ice on his shoulder. He has ice on his shoulder, because his shoulder's sore, because he threw 40 passes. That's why he has ice on his shoulder. So they just put him on the injury report as probable every week with the right shoulder. So they could ask him the question, why not just do that?

Just put it out there and then they could ask him the question. Yeah. Mike, I have a question about the health of the league overall. So, scoring's down. Tom Brady actually did an interview, I think on Stephen A. Smith's podcast last week or yesterday saying that the league is mediocre right now and it's not what it used to be.

Is this a concern for the NFL or do they just say, hey, we don't care because we know that we own Sunday, we own Monday, we own Thursday, people are gonna watch no matter what or are they saying in the league offices like, hey, the product maybe is dipping a little bit, let's find a way to make it better. I think generally is a concern, guys,

because whenever scoring is up, they flood my email box with statements and press releases, thumping their chest to how scoring is up. Biggest weekend since 1973. And this, that, and the other thing, they're always bragging when the scoring is up. So I think they prefer scoring to be up. But the reality is, viewership is up. The metrics are the highest they've been since 2015.

So we are still going to watch. We have the virus. It's not being cured. We want football. Think about this week, all the standalone games Monday night, three on Thursday, Friday, Sunday night, Monday night, and people congregate in the multiple millions to watch these games, even if they're not good. The three games on Thanksgiving Day, have a chance to be horrible games across the board, where you have a great team against a not great team in every game. And you know what, we're still gonna watch.

We're still gonna turn it on, and they're still gonna be able to say the ratings are the highest they've been since 2015 or they're about. A little disrespectful to the Seattle Seahawks with that comment. I just wanna say enough of the Seahawks for that comment. I just want to say about the Seahawks fans because they're I think that's what by the Rams. Yeah, there's just a chance of the

Seahawks to get blown out, but they're with Geno's injury. I wouldn't say they're not they're a good team. The Seahawks are a good team. We could say that. There are good team, but right now when you consider they've been swept by the Rams, Geno's hurt and their next four games are 49ers Cowboys 49ers Eagles. They could be six and eight after 14 games. Yeah, that's very true. So it's it's hot stove season, hot seat season in the NFL. Which coach do you think is the first to get fired? Good question.

I mean, you got Ron Rivera will be out as soon as Friday if they get blown out. I'm that's what I'm hoping for. Can I kill me? Kill me Dallas put me out of my misery. Mike, can I ask a question about the Ron Rivera thing? And I want you to tell me all the other coaches, but is there ever a team that says, or we want to tank and Rondover is actually bad? So shouldn't we keep him? Well, I think that I think it's just bad for the overall culture. You're trying to instill this is something Sean Payton explains. You should never deliberately try to lose

because it infects the organization at every level. Every organization should be about winning, winning, winning all the time. But if you just organically lose and it improves your standing in the draft, so be it, you embrace it. I think the opportunity is there for Eric Beandamy to get an opportunity to show what he could do his head coat. And it's more data for Josh Harrison Company to consider as they plan for 2024. And Sims made the point this morning on PFT Live. If they didn't play Thursday, Rivera might have been fired the day after that debacle against the Giants. So maybe it's Black Friday becomes Black Monday for Ron Rivera and he's out the day after that Thanksgiving game. Or it could even be Black Friday. Black Monday for Ron Rivera and he's out the day after that

Thanksgiving game. Or it could even be Black Friday. They might just fire. Black Friday. Black Friday is Black Friday, maybe, but I agree with you. I think that if if we were to fire or keep Rivera around, yeah, he'd do a great job of tanking, I think, but I've heard from a lot of players and a lot of a lot of people in the league that have said, if you show improvement at the end of a season, that carries over into the next year where you actually have some belief that at least you're playing hard. And there's no better chance to give Eric be enemy like actual game, like study him and how he how he prepares for a game, how he operates during a game, how he handles all the press

conferences, all that stuff that goes along with being a head coach. Give him a trial run right now because I don't think that Josh Harris would want to just hire B&M as a head coach without seeing any of that going into next season. I think he's going to want to do a full-on coaching search, which brings me to my next question. Wait, wait for, oh, okay, Hank was grabbing the breakfast that we, I just sort of have everyone have a seat, have a seat, thank you, Kat. Yeah, because he was nervous going to get the breakfast that he wasn't going to be here for this question. Oh, I thought that I know I can already tell you the question. I thought

that it would be nervous because sometimes he's not a lot to eat on this podcast. Well that he probably just ate one. Did you eat one? No, I was literally like I did the like put it in my mouth and I saw your text. Yeah, I was like get back in here. We're going to get back to Mike Florian a second. He's brought to you by Morgan and Morgan. It's the holiday time. I want everybody out there to be safe, all right?

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It's close to anapolis. He's very close with Navy, a lot of good lacrosse in the area, looking to restart the whole franchise, maybe even rename the franchise. Seems like he's done in New England. They leaked that information about the contract, hoping they could get a trade done. Tell me that Bill Belichack to the Washington commanders is actually a thing that could happen.

First of all, let me just comment, if I may, on this whole fan fiction thing that Hank started. I think Hank's the reason why I'm only on one to prove here. Hank's got a problem with my fan fiction. So when you text once a month, bring Florian, Hank says no fucking way. Hank, let me speak to you directly

on this concept of fan fiction. I like this. Look at that. All the crazy shit that happens in the NFL, all the crazy shit that happens, and we react to it after the fact. My job, part of my job job is to say, hey folks, here's where all the dots are right now.

Let's try to figure out the crazy shit that might happen. Because we know crazy shit's gonna happen. So if we can get ahead of it and inform people and prepare them for it, right, I'm willing to throw the dart if it misses the board. If every once in a while it hits the bullseye. So you can call it fan fiction if you want. I call it doing my job. Boom.

Yeah, but who else? Yeah, but like that's like saying your job is a fan fiction writer. So like we're both, we're both correct. His job is for a court on the NFL. It's in the right term. It's informed speculation based upon information that's available to me.

And 23 years of seeing all the pattern, all the shit that's happened. I've been living this every day for 23 years. I've seen all the crazy shit that's gone down. I'm not sitting around making this up. I'm trying to project where the ball is moving based upon where the ball has been for the past generation. You're a lawyer, Mike. You know all the technicalities and ways where you can say thing where you're like,

oh, well, I was just saying this might happen. It's a possibility. I'm not saying it's gonna happen. No, I share what I hear and I couch it accordingly. When we have a hard-to-be report, you also take some liberties with it. No, no, no, wait, wait, wait. I want to just stop for one second.

Mike had the line that everyone should look for is informed speculation. That is what Mike does. Inform speculation, which is fine. It's speculating, but also being informed. And it's good for the league. Yes. And it's good for us as football fans.

Because guess what? You just have to talk. I mean, what the fuck else are we supposed to do? Yeah, hey, no, what's going to happen? You need to get clicks on your website, so you make stuff up to get people to click. That's fine. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Screw me for trying to make some money. No, no problem with that. Mike, what are you guys trying to do? I work at parcel, I know the game. I know the game. You need me on that wall. He also said he does his job. Who said do your job?

Bill Bellicicek, Mike Florio might be a Bellicek disciple. You're taking offense to what I say, but I just see, it's a respect thing. It's like, you say it's offensive to me I say, but I just see it's a respecting. It's like, you say it's offensive to me. Yeah. People are gonna click this article and it's like, yeah, it makes no sense.

You don't sound respectful when you say it. Or look, there's an avenue and there's a market. As I've proven over the last 23 years, there is a market for analyzing what is going on and what it could mean. And sometimes what it could mean is obvious. Sometimes, yeah, it's a little bit out there. But we have seen so much stuff that happens

that after the fact we say, holy fuck, we didn't see this coming. See? I'm trying to prepare people for the things that could happen. Yes. And it's both Bellicic thing flows directly from that. The things that could happen based upon what has happened and based upon where it looks like things are moving.

Hank, can we maybe say, instead of calling Florio fan fiction, maybe say he's got semi-informed speculation. You're an informed speculations. Yeah. Yeah. Inform speculation is is good I got no problem with that fan fiction and I'm just sitting around saying what crazy ass shit can I come up with for clicks? Yeah, let me see what I can make

Yeah for clicks that's not what I'm doing. There's enough stuff going on You don't need to do that. There's enough dots to reasonably connect based upon what's out there. Then they have to go back to lab and say, what could we, what kind of story can we create out of nothing? All right, but we did this. Well, what if we started calling it football erotica? Right. That would be fair, right? Yeah. And like, and like, violations sounds like it sounds legit. It sounds so legit. I like it. I like it a lot.

And Mike, I've been a fan of yours. I like it when you informally speculate on things. Hank does not. Don't let Hank try to tell you, like, he's starting a backtrack a little bit. There's some vitriol behind Hank. And I think it comes from the fact that you have reported some bad things about his New England Patriots

including some of those. Hank, can I just say this? I'm starting to rub you son. Son, son, I'm starting to rub you at the Thanksgiving dinner table. But Hank, go back to 2015. Yes, go back Hank. I was the only fucking guy that called bullshit on it from the get go.

It was bullshit. It is bullshit. And you would have called that if you were a fan of any other team other than the Patriots, you would have said, oh, it's more Florial fan fiction about the Patriots and the Flakegate. I was behind you 100%. Yeah. When you were handcuffed in the lobby at 345 Park Avenue, I was behind you 100%. And this is the thanks I get.

No, Mike, I think these guys are trying to divide us. Like, I'm not a hater per se. I just tried and called like I see it. Sometimes I think, you know, you are an informed speculationist and sometimes maybe you're like, there's a two percent chance this could happen, but you still report it and the article appears in a way where it's like, this is gonna happen.

No, no, it doesn't. That's on you for not reading it the right way, but that's not on you. I read a comprehension does come and play here. Hank is not a world-renowned smart person. Mike, I think I figured out exactly why there's this disconnect between Hank and when he looks at a headline and he gets mad about the headline

and it's attributed to you. I read the article. Shut up, Hank. I think it has to do with the new, how do we say this, aggregation industrial complex on Twitter, on x.com. I'm not gonna name the accounts, but there's like five accounts we all know who they are.

They basically just like grab the most inflammatory things that they can find, pull out a select quote from an article. They might all be run by the same person. I don't know, I would actually like to get them all on a round table in the same room and talk to them about how they do their job. But I think Hank, he sees like a retweet of NFL rookie watch and it attributes something to you and then he's like, here goes Floreo again with the fan fiction.

I think your hate is more directed towards those accounts than it is towards our dear uncle, my internet father, Mike Floreo. And you. Yeah, you for sure. He, why me? He definitely is, part of this is you. A lot of me. How much do you hate those accounts?

Like, aggregation accounts is you. Yeah, you aggregate and then bring it to Hank. Yes. You're in person, dove climb, climb in for Hank. I just tell him facts. I'm sorry, the Hank gets mad about facts. Oh. Those accounts drive me crazy for a couple of reasons.

First of all, for most of them, we don't know who the hell they are. We don't know who they are, we don't know what they are, we don't know where they are, and they have no real accountability because they're not backed up by some employment interest. You know, you don't have people who are trying to keep their jobs, so they can be wrong about whatever. And I think they're about taking whatever they can and maximizing engagement from it. Maximizing retweets, maximizing likes, maximizing anything separate from whether or not they're

serving their audience by telling the audience the truth. And I have always been very careful dating back to the day we went live, November 1, 2001, to explain what I'm saying and why I'm saying. Are we reporting actual news? Are we reporting based upon, and not even reporting? Are we just spitballing? Are we saying this is what we're hearing, but we're not really sure whether or not it's true?

We try to make it clear for the audience and look, it's on me to put the words down that allow the reader to digest it and understand it, but it's on the reader to understand and not warp and twist. And I'm not saying you do this, Hank. I'm just saying it's on the reader to not warp and twist what we've actually said. These bought accounts on Twitter will just take whatever they can and amplify it in a way that is calculated for maximum engagement, even if they're deliberately or accidentally

in their zeal to create maximum engagement, they rush to a conclusion they shouldn't, because they get so blinded by that that they ignore the truth. We always try to dabble in the truth, and in accuracy are duties to our audience, and I take that very, very seriously. I am always, and every day, 100% honest with our audience

on what we're saying, why we're saying it we're hearing and when we fuck up we don't run from it when we kill Terry Bradshaw we immediately admitted that we've not killed Terry Bradshaw. like wait, as Uncle had too much to drink, why is he pounding his fist on the table and screaming at us? I like the aggregators just because it puts all the aggregation in one place. That's the only reason I like them because they're wrong all the time, but I like to see it all in one place. Hank, you had a question for Mike. Yeah, Mike, I really do, you know,

I don't want that to be beef between us. I, you took a lot of things to- Well, keep me warm, baby. If it can't be you beefing on me and me saying nothing, if you're going to take shots, I want to have a chance to. Right. That's fine. Two to be. You took offense to me calling you fan fiction writer, which I thought was honestly just a fair representation of what goes on. Would you take offense to me saying you do choose your own adventure blogs?

I choose my what? Choose your own adventure. Like like a little books that you have a little Where you can flip to page 10? Oh, if you do if you go this way you flip to page 25 choose your own adventure Like you hear a little a little sliver of information and then you choose your own adventure and then that and go from it take it from there It's just a matter of trying to figure out what's gonna happen based upon what currently is happening So if there is some factual development, they could point to something else down the road. Whether it's the news that's out there and announcement from a team, a report from someone, you know, you mentioned earlier,

the reporting from a week or so ago about Bella Chicks contract that I think is specifically calculated by the Patriots to put everyone out there on notice of the fact that if you want this guy, you gotta go through us. You're not just going to get him. We're not going to fire him. We want the phone to ring.

We want to trade him. I think that that is the kind of stuff we do. We take the reporting from the people who can't say what it really means because it'll piss off their source if they do and pull that thread and help people understand what's really behind it. So it's all part of a broader effort to take what's out there and guide people. That's what it is. It's a map.

Yeah. We do is a map to where the treasure might be buried. Mike Floreo informed speculation is, we're gonna find out why. That should be your tagline right there. Cause that is, you're trying to find out why. You're trying to find the why. Mike, I was thinking about this last night, don't on me. right there because that is trying to find out why you're trying to find the why Mike.

I was thinking about this last night, dawn on me. This has to be the weirdest or maybe not weirdest, but the latest we've been in an NFL season where I don't think we know who the MVP is because no one has really been that out of this world good. Do you have like do you have an inkling of who I mean it's Lamar, it's Patrick Mahomes, it's Tuah. Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett, Trent Williams. I mean, they're really good when he's on the field. Who do you think she went MVP?

Because don't you think this year's a little weird that there's not one guy who's completely Max is shaking his head that it should be Jalen Hertz. He is not played. He was a brown, AJ Brownie AJ Brownie is saying. Okay. I won't catch for a yard. Jalen Hertz is betting favorite when the MVP right now. Jalen Hertz is the better last year. He's the betting favorite when the MVP right now. Okay. All right. Can we let go? Let me go. Are you answer the question? Max Max. Thank you, Max. I've got one of the votes, and I don't know what the rules are or aren't. Nobody's ever sent me a pamphlet on what I can and can't say about the deliberations in the process.

And it's not like we all meet and talk about it. We each just put in our ballots. There's 50 voters. We put in our ballots a few days after the season ends. Here's the way the MVP in my view has evolved, especially now with only one top seed, one buy per conference. You speak, the one seed and the two seed had a buy. Now you're going to have the one seed to have the buy.

I think once the season ends and we know who the teams are, AFC and NFC who have that top seed and who have that buy. The most valuable player who has helped, secure that most valuable position going into the post season, NFC, AFC top seed, the best player, the most impactful player, the most important player, from those two teams, I think become the de facto final. It comes a team award, yeah.

And Miles Garrett is a legitimate MVP candidate. If the Browns end up coming out of this morass in the AFC where everyone's got three losses, Jaguar's three losses, Dol the AFC where everyone's got three losses, Jaguars, three losses, Dolphins, three losses, Browns, three losses, Ravens, three losses, Chiefs, three losses. Whoever ends up being the one seed, if it's the Browns, who else would get your MVP vote from the Cleveland Browns? There's nobody else.

Miles Garrett stands out among the rest. So if the Browns end up with a one seed, and he doesn't even have to get within a sac or two of the all-time record. If the Browns end up with a one seed and he doesn't even have to get within a sac or two of the all-time record. If the Browns end up with a one seed, he's their MVP candidate and it would be in the NFC. If it's the Eagles, Jalen Hertz. If it's the 49ers, who the hell knows? Christian McCaffrey, Brian's. I mean, it's just McCaffrey, Brock Perkins. Trent Williams, yeah. If it's the dolphins, will Chris Sims cry? If it's the dolphins, how is it not Tyree kill?

Yeah, that's true. It's good point. How is Tyree kill not more valuable than two of Tongue of I Loa? Which guy is more responsible for them being the one seat if they're the one seat? I think it's Tyree kill. And I know Sims does as well if it's Tyree kill, but that's what it's become.

Unless there's some guy out there who has just a crazy ass season, like Adrian Peterson in 2012, when he made a late run at the single season rushing record, any beat out Peyton Manning in his first year with the Broncos when they were the one seed in the AFC. It takes something like that. And that's why, here's another point too. They just started last year.

It used to be one vote per voter for MVP. Now you rank them one through five. And I can see a situation this year where like a CJ Stroud gets enough second place votes that he gets enough total points to overcome whoever gets the most first place votes because he could be second person on most of the ballots. And maybe a few make it first.

And he could end up pulling like an inside straight and winning MVP that way. That's right. I'm sure I think, would it be the Lions? You were about to say who it would be on the Lions. I don't know. I mean, would you really vote Jared Goff and VK?

Yes. Yes. In fact, yes, he's my front runner right now. Yes. He played bad against the Bears. But Bears defense have been better than the others. Well, I'll give you this way, guys. If the Lions end up with a one seed,

I think whoever ends up with the one seed in the AFC, their candidate is more viable, whether it's Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Tyree Kill or Miles Garrett. What Trevor Lawrence? I think between Trevor Lawrence and Jared Goff, I'd be more inclined to go Trevor Lawrence. To an on, we'll remember that you just will not say his name.

It's like poison on your mouth. I don't put me in that same case with Chris. I love to. And to a, hey, you know what, we had an item over an item of fan fiction over the weekend, Hank, that I hope you saw on all the injuries to quarterbacks this year. There are only five starting quarterbacks who have been unscathed. No injuries during games, no presence on the injury report. And to is one of the ones who has made it this far without being injured in a year where every quarterback

virtually has been injured. One of them ones. That's cool. You actually didn't address the previous question though. Bill Belichek, where is he coaching next year? Oh, we never got a chance to have the conversation. Look, the first report that came out October 29 on NFL Network about his contract, like they acted, and look, I need to be careful, I say this, but I think I've said it in other platforms, they kind of made a bigger deal about it than it was because it was incomplete information,

lucrative multi-year contract. And I think it was calculated by someone close to Belicec to get everyone to stop talking about Belicec possibly being fired during the season. That's what I think. I don't know that in form speculation. That's what I think. Then three weeks later, same reporter, same network,

we hear that, oh, it was a brand new contract covering 2023 and 2024, and oh, by the way, the Patriots aren't inclined to fire him during the season because they'd like to trade it. So now we have a different, and I think that's Patriots version that's put out there. So whether it's the commanders, whether it's the Buccaneers, whether it's the Panthers, whether it's the Chargers, anyone out there that wants him knows You got to work with us. You got to deal with us. You got to give us something we like before you get him

So guys, what I believe is happening and what will happen fan fiction Choose your adventure Informed speculation whatever you want to call it I think what will happen behind the scenes over the course of the next six, seven weeks, they'll work out a deal. If there's a deal to be made, it's going to be worked out quietly between the patriots, wherever he's going to end up, and Bella check, and then after the season, the dominoes will all be lined up, and it's just a matter of flicking the first domino at the right time,

and it will all fall together the way that we won't know until it happens, but it's happening now. So the teams to watch that I mentioned, Buckeneers, Panthers, Commanders, Chargers, those are the four I'd watch most closely. And of those, the one that I think is the most fascinating is the Buckeneers. And JoeBucksFan.com and I were Kaufman, I don't know if you guys have ever had him on, he's excellent, he's been covering the Buckeneers forever. He's excellent. He's been covering the Buccaneers forever. He's a firm believer that this fits the MO of the glazers. Go out and hire a big name, put butts in the seats.

They can't get people to come to the game. Now they don't have Brady. Go after Bella check, put butts in the seats. If he wins, he wins. If he doesn't, he doesn't, we're gonna make money in the interim by filling up our state. I don't know if a coach fills up a stadium like that. There's, it could generate some excitement.

And I guess, but once you start, if you lose, then people aren't gonna come out. Oh, you're right, you're right. It's also a charismatic figure. It's like burning a mix shape. Right, you're not gonna see the coach. You're going to see the idea that the coach will make the team good.

It also feels like a little desperate. Like if we're looking about, if we're thinking about like a relationship, you break up with somebody, your girlfriend moves to a new city, and then you move to that new city later. And you're like, hey, I'm here too. Yeah, it's kind of fun. Like that seems, it seems like a weird move for Belluchick

to follow in Brady's footsteps. Great. Great. I agree. And look, it's got to be a place he wants to go. And I know some folks out there think it's going to be the charges because why they've got Justin Herbert. What was the thing that Bill Belluchick got to be a place he wants to go. And I know some folks out there think it's going to be the charges because why? They've got Justin Herbert. What was the thing that Bill Belichick needed to be successful? He needed a great quarterback.

He hasn't had a quarterback since Tom Brady left. And wherever else you would go, you're hoping like you hope Sam Howell becomes the guy in Washington. And he's shown signs that he could be. But Justin Herbert is the one guy that you look to and say, franchise quarterback who has caught in a dysfunctional situation. Maybe that's where Belichek would want to go. But the other side of it too, how much power is it owner going to want to give him? Do you put guardrails on his personal authority?

Or do you let him just run everything like he has in New England? And I would say that it's Belichek, the GM, that has been the bigger problem than Belichek, the coach. So do you force him to bring back Scott Piole or try to hire Nick Casario? One of the two guys that was with him when he was putting championship teams together. And at the end of the day, it all goes back to quarterback. You got to have a quarterback. You got to have guardrails on Bella checks GM powers. And then you just got to let him go do his thing, which is coach a team, arguably as well as anyone has ever coached a team in league history.

It also feels like Bella check has lost a little bit of, for the longest time, he was ahead of the curve because it's all about positional flexibility. Get these guys who can play multiple different ways, your linebackers can be on the line and all this stuff. Now it feels like the league is like, you need just fast guys, you need freaks, you need these guys who are, you need just fast guys, you need freaks, you need these guys who are, you need three or four guys that are better than everyone.

And if you don't have that, you're not going to be in the conversation. I had a question though, Florio. So you mentioned chargers. And there's another name for the chargers. And I want to know what you probably dug into the legal part of this is the NFL going to try to suspend Jim Harbaugh if he tries to go back to the NFL? Well, and this gets back into the fan fiction. What? What was he doing?

Hold on, time out. Congratulations. Hey. Just to understand. No, that was, uh, I had something I hadn't heard before and I'm sure Mike will explain. Well, they did it to Jim Tressel. What the reason would be. No, I got it.

If we have to have least suspended it, they let Tressel, they, Tressel couldn't jump to the NFL. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal.

I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal.

I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. or the NFL owns and operates NFL network, I think they just think it was licensed or something. The NFL owns it, the NFL operates it, the NFL calls the shots on how NFL network does its business. And when they come out and say on a Sunday, because it's always on a Sunday,

Sunday splash report, a Sean Payton calls them, when they say that the NFL might duplicate whatever punishment the NCAA imposes on Jim Harbaugh. That tells me the NFL is thinking about it. It wouldn't be on the NFL's network if they weren't thinking about doing it. They have no basis for it. There's no rule he would have violated. It would be a clear antitrust violation.

It would be collusion. It would be illegal. But what's Jim Harbaugh going to do? Sue, that's the thing. They did it to Jim Tressel and he just took it. And so I think what they did, they put that out there at a time when owners are thinking about who am I going to try to hire after the season.

You drop that turd into the punch bowl, and you think I better think twice about Jim Harbour, because I don't want to hire a coach that's going to be suspended the first six, eight, ten games, whatever of the season. So you shy away from him. See, I look it as kind of a clumsy effort to black ballin' to keep him out, to scare teams away from heart.

Kinda like, you know, he was a big cappernick proponent. It's kinda like what they did to cappernick. You say the right thing at the right time and you scare your teams away from doing business with the guy. I believe they did it to cappernick and they could be planning to do it the hard ball. It doesn't make any sense at all from a legal standpoint like there's the NFL is not college football. How do you punish somebody for a violation not of a law but of kind of a

nebulous rule in college football that you haven't even been convicted of yet? How do you punish somebody for that at the next level? Make it up. This is what they do and this is why they hate me and? Just make it up. This is what they do. And this is why they hate me and I really don't care. They can't hate me more than they already do. They make it up as they go. They decide what they want the outcome to be and then they work backward to come up

with something to justify it. And if someone sues them, fine. We'll just bury you in paperwork. We'll drag it out as long as we possibly can. we'll try to force it into arbitration that we control. They do whatever they want to do. It's one of the realities of having that much money and that much power and that much influence. They do whatever they want to do. So if they don't want Jim Harbob back, he's not going to be back. And if there's a price to pay on the back end, they'll fight like hell to avoid it. But if they have to do it, they'll do it. That's where it comes from. There's no rule that supports it. But if they want to do it,

if Roger Goodell wants to do it, he'll do it. I like Hank. I like this Florian. He stands on the side of Justin. Yes. Hank, you just took you to school there. You had never even thought about it. Florian is the one who's doing informed speculation here and being like, this could absolutely happen. You guys ask us a question. Yeah. Do you want to say sorry? In this case, in the Harbour case. Yeah, I didn't I didn't I didn't I don't need to pause. You just want to understand this is how we do what we do is how we do it is what guys do we inform we inform speculationists finding out why. Again, like I'm not trying to start a beef. Like I do like you. I thought that was very interesting. What you just described about starting at the end and working your way back

sometimes feels how you write articles. Thank you. You're trying to start a beef though. Let me try to start a beef. No, no, no. But I question the very way you do your business. I'm not trying to start a beef. We just make stuff up as Rodanx said. Listen, I stand on Mike's side.

I just a couple of breadcrum crumbs for you to think about Mike, Michael Rubin, good friends, Josh Harris, good friends, Robert Kraft, think about that. Josh Harris also, I'll talk about that. Listen, I'll talk about that. I think Kraft's son, I believe. Correct, you're correct.

Yeah. Let me tell you, I wasn't looking for this. Somebody that I know that I've known for years, it works for one of the teams said to me via text whenever we first mentioned this, maybe a few days before because I pondered what to do with it. Watch Bella check to the commanders after the season. I believe it's going to happen. So when somebody who I've known for years, who works for a team, tells me that. I mean, what's the point of being labeled an insider if you don't use the information you get

from the people who are with the teams? And if this is what people in the business are talking about, we tear down that wall and share it with the audience. That's an example of, I don't know what the fuck's gonna happen, but it's interesting to me that somebody I know and somebody that I trust is saying, watch Bill Balla check to the company.

I think Hank's bitter because I just kinda made up that report at the start of October to me that somebody I know and somebody that I trust is saying watch Bill Balla check to the company. I think Hank's bitter because I just kind of made up that report at the start of October and then other people started reporting it. So Hank was just mad at my previous just make up of a report, but it's actually real. What about the other side of it? Vrable to New England. Where are the chances of that? Hey, this is one where somebody else I know and somebody else I trust the email came through on the 4th of July

Something to think about something to think about post Bill Balochek will Mike Raeble end up as the head coach of the Patrons they put him in the team's hall of fame this year now the understanding is that the job has been promised and I don't know how binding the promise is but the idea is drawd mayo is the successor to Bill Balochek Whether or not this thing has gone so far off the rails that they just want to eradicate everyone connected to Bellicek out of the building, that's a possibility. But there's all this talk about Vrable's job security and Tennessee.

Look, the question isn't, should the Titans be thinking about moving on from Vrable? The question is, should Vrable be thinking about moving on from the Titans? I think the Titans are kind of sneaky dysfunctional and the only thing keeping them from being a full blown hot mess is Rable. And there may be a point where he goes to the owner,

Amy Adams-Strong-Kin says, I just think it's time for me to go back to New England. I mean, I'll stay if you want. I got a contract. I don't really want to be here anymore. I don't feel like this is working if we can work something out and wouldn't it be funny if whatever the Patriots would get in a trade for Bellagcheck just becomes whatever they send to the Titans to try to get Brable. But Brable's definitely a name I've been watching since July 4 and who knows what's gonna happen.

I don't know what's gonna happen. Nobody knows what's going to happen. I don't know what's going to happen. Nobody knows what's going to happen. But the reality is shit is happening behind the scenes now that we're never going to know about until it ultimately. I love it. I love it. All right. Rapid fire. Mike, ready for this? First rapid fire. Give me your Super Bowl and Super Bowl winner. I said chiefs 49ers before the season. There's no reason to change that now. And if the 49ers keep their nucleus of key players, healthy, the 49ers wear. Okay. Coach or player, surprise retirement. Wait, you're gonna chastise me for fan fiction

and you want me to just pull out like that? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Find when I have ever chastised you for fan fiction. I know you're, I know you're vibe. I like your vibe. I like you're vibe. Yeah. I haven't thought about surprise retirement. I haven't thought about surprise, coaches walking away.

I haven't thought about it. I'll give you one. Okay, Travis Kelsey. Yeah. Yeah. Look, the guy is thinking about his next career. Right. Clear.

Right. He did all that. But before Taylor Swift, hosting Saturday Night Live, there was a long article in Van Diddy Ferrer, GQ, one of these magazines where it's clear he wants to be an actor. He just wants to be a star and make a shitload of money. And more power to him for doing that. You got to know when to make a transition. And when the window's open, you got to jump through it.

And it may be that the window for him is never more open than it is. Right now it will be after this season. And he's looking behind that. And he's looking a little bit older. It's like, hey, maybe, you know, and also maybe you get Taylor Swift. They get more serious and she's like, hey,

I want, you know, I want you to be able to walk around with our kids and your knees hurt, your head hurt, just something, just something just something Don't you have an infection? Yeah, that's my fan fiction My rapid fire question. Why did Salah wait so long and did he lose the locker room by waiting so long to bench Zach Wilson? well I think Aaron Rogers is the guy at the heart of everything that has gone wrong with the jets this year because After he gets injured he starts talking fairly quickly with the jets this year because after he gets injured, he starts

talking fairly quickly about coming back this year. And I think it kept the jets as a practical matter from even seriously considering an upgrade. Not that they were going to trade for Kirk Cousins, but you can't trade for Kirk Cousins. If Aaron Rogers is planning to come back, if you get to the playoffs and say, hey, Kirk, nice job. Go sit your ass on the bench. I'll take it from here.

Like, it doesn't make sense to bring in someone who's going to make the team a playoff contender and then contend with the idea that Aaron Rogers is coming back. So I think because of this notion that Rogers wanted to come back, the Jets felt like they had to stick with Zach Wilson and hope that the defense would carry them and hope that Zach Wilson would develop into something he's never been and hope that they can hold it together long enough. I was told by someone that I trust deeply about the Jets situation a week or two ago. The latest for Rogers to return is week 16 against the commanders.

They have to be seven and seven or eight and six for it to matter. And I just think it's it's it's done now. After Sunday against the bills, Zach Wilson to the bench, Tim Boyle in, it's done. They've thrown in the towel. I don't think Roger's going to come back and he's going to be able to say, Hey, I was ready to come back. I did my part of it. The team just didn't do their part of it. And then they loaded all up again for next year. And I think Sala comes back because of that. Joe Douglas comes back because of that. They're not going to want to upset the Alpecar. They're going to go even more all in. They're going to go get the Vante Adams or at least they're going to try to next year. More all in with Aaron Rogers. Hope he can stay healthy at 40 going on 41 and see where it goes.

So I think Sala's safe. I think Douglas is safe. Rogers, I think, is more of a problem in in all this than anyone has ever said and they're going to try to do it all again next year. When Roger said I'm going to try to come back later on this year. That was like dad's going to the store He's going to pick up cigarettes and milk and he'll be back So just behave yourself for a while because I'm coming back and I don't know if he ever actually thought he was going to come back and play I think it was mostly like hey, let's see if I can just make these guys play hard because there's a chance that I might come back in their own heads. That's part of it. Look, that's the glass half full side of it.

He's trying to get these guys home, give him a reason to fight, give him a reason to hold together, not in fight. That's one of the things he said, don't point fingers at each other. I mean, he's had some good messages for the team. But I also think that this is his way of staying in the spotlight. I don't think he can resist that. Make it about him, be the center of attention, get people to listen to everything he says, get people to talk about him and think about him and what could be if Aaron Rogers come

back. What could have been for the jets this year if they had just played well enough that Aaron Rogers could have come back like Walt Frazier, right? Is that the guy? Was it Walt Frazier? Who was the guy that came back? Willis Reed. Willis Reed. Walt Frazier, Walt Frazier, and he ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, ate, uh, robac question, r-o-b-a-c-k dot com promo code take 20% off your first purchase QZips, polo's hoodies joggers shorts, robac dot com promo code take. Also before I get to my last question, please everyone, Mike is an author.

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It's very, very good. He sends me all of them. And you've never read one of them. I've never even opened them up. But but Mike, listen, I'm doing the plug right now. That's friendship. I don't read. If I read, would read that father of mine was very good Go by father of mine. Ever clear. So you read it. Did you read it? I ever clear? I didn't read it

But I know people that have it was a little my dad died So it was like I didn't want to I didn't want to dive into that whole thing Mike if you want to bring that up But no, I heard other people say I heard other people say it was a great book. So I've been awoken over here. Mike, last question. What's the, what's the big Mike Florial story? What, what, what are you gonna say? We didn't, we didn't get to finish the pitch. Oh, no, we finished the pitch.

That's the, we're also, what's the name of the book big? Also, also just so you know, when we do these like pitches on the show, little, little industry trick, we cut it after. So we don't actually put this in the book. Also, also, just so you know, when we do these like pitches on the show, little, little industry trick, we cut it after. So we don't actually put this in the podcast. Okay. I'll keep that in mind the next time you invite me on. I'm just kidding. What, what is the book called? Here it is. The book is on our way home. It's a Christmas tale that I wrote a couple of years ago throughout the month of December. It's an idea that I'd had for 10 or 15 years and I just started writing it right after Thanksgiving had it done before new years. We posted it a chapter

of time on the website last year like an advent calendar like every day we put up a new chapter. People really liked it. So I thought this year, let's print it up, let's make it available. 399 for the ebook, 999, you can have this for for 999 in Amazon, 999, it feels good, it weighs about a pound. It looks good. My nephew, Anthony Zeach, did the cover very well done. It ties into the story. And it actually is good.

If you ever would happen to accidentally read it, it is really good. And every penny I make goes to our local animal shelter, the Humane Society of Harrison County. I'm not making a dime off of it. In fact, for the first 10 grand I make, I'm just gonna put it in pre-tax. I'll pay the tax on it.

I don't care. I wanna support the animal shelter. I've got a dog now. When you guys were here seven years ago, you said you need a dog. I took it to heart. You got a dog. I love my dog.

I love dogs. I tolerate cats. The cats benefit too. I love dogs. So every penny we make goes to the Humane Society of Harrison County. It's a good book. And here's the thing, buy like 10 of them and give them out for Christmas gifts.

All right, I'm done. All right, so Max, make sure you cut that. Cut all that. And also Mike, I did read one of your books. I read quarterback of the future. Yeah. That was a great book. Mike, I, listen, you, you, uh, I know you love your dog

and that's great that you're doing that. And so people should go support it. Please do support it. Please do support Mike. We do love Mike very much. I do. I do consider him a good friend. Last question, Mike.

Ready? Yes. What's the big Mike Florio story that you got? Maybe you've already written a little bit about it and it's something bigger coming down the line. What are we cooking up? What can we get the people thinking about? Big picture, NFL, big picture.

Well, I mean, this bell check thing has been. Yeah, we've been through that. Yeah, and I really, I really look, people think I hate the NFL. They ask me, why do you hate the NFL? I love the NFL. I've been a fan for 50 years now. I discovered Pro Football December 23, 1972,

the moment the Immaculate Reception happened. We were the only house in the neighborhood that had that game for some reason. They used to black out the games whether they were sold out or not. And we lived within the 75 mile bubble of Pittsburgh, but we were pulling a station from out of the bubble that nobody else had.

So we got the house full of grown-ups and they all lose their shit when Franco Harris scores. And I just kind of have this aha moment that if it can make grown-ups act like little kids, there must be something to it. And that was when I was hooked. And I've loved the NFL for 50 years. And NFL films in John Fassenda, and I hold the league to a standard that I just wonder whether the current stewards are concerned enough about all the shit that can drag it down. And I keep coming back to gambling in all the different ways. The money grab they're making for gambling can hurt the league if they're not careful. That's my big concern.

I really don't want it to come to fruition. I don't want it to bring down the league. I don't want there to be some agency out there that has oversight of pro football and maybe changes things in a way that will be bad for the fans. I want the league to be able to continue to govern itself, but it needs to do a better job of it or it's going to have problems governing itself in the future. That's the big thing I'm watching. And whatever label you want to put on it, and whether you think I'm up to something or

I've got some agenda, I don't care. I want the NFL to be great And I wonder whether the people currently running it are the best ones to make it as great as it is It's a good point you're like the guy that that was trying to blow the whistle on On Bernie made off and nobody listened to him and you're like hey look into this look into this I appreciate that Mike you're looking out for the greater future of the game. That's right I mean it sounds hoki, but it's true. It really is true. I'm afraid of what this whole gambling thing can do to pro football if they're not careful.

And all they're doing, I think, is grabbing money and they'll worry about the problems. You're right. You're right. I mean, I love to gamble, but it's definitely there's some sides to it that people have not thought out long term. I agree. I agree. So, my last question.

You have a Larry Fitzgerald,ald Jersey on the wall behind you. We were talking about this a couple of weeks ago. Did he retire? Is he actually, did he file paperwork? Is he retired? No, the paperwork doesn't matter. He hasn't played in like three years.

He's done. He's done. He's done. He's not coming back. Are you sure? It's weird that he never said like, hey, I'm done playing football. He's done.

He's not coming back. Are you sure? I am sure. I am sure. No fan fiction to be had here. That was a gift that NBC gave me the first Christmas season that we were to get it. And the only Christmas gift NBC ever gave me. It's a sign like it's real Jersey and it's been hanging up there for years. And I've got a great Lawrence Taylor Jersey that I need to frame and put in its place. For my 56th birthday, Chris Sims got me a number 56 Lawrence Taylor, Jersey.

And you should see how he signs stuff. It's like he's written a whole essay down the letter. And he says, you know, super, two times, super, double champion, NFL MVP, and at the very bottom bottom he writes a bad motherfucker. Oh, I love it Love it. He tried to fight Hank when he came on our show Because Hank was like talking to the Mike Lawrence talking to the Mike and he gave Hank this look like I will kill you and Hank was like fair Back he backed off. He is a he's a bad motherfucker. All right. Well Mike. Thank you so much We'll put the link in a queen pinnacle link to his book in the YouTube

Yeah, we can. All right, so let's do that. So everyone, please support Mike. Mike, we love you. Happy Thanksgiving. We're thankful for your friendship. And yeah, all the best to you and your family. Guys, I appreciate you all very much.

I'm happy to have talked through our beef a little bit and we'll continue to write fan fiction and hopefully keep you entertained. Yeah, I think in the Thanksgiving analogy, this is like I'm like, you know, the college student fighting with the older uncle, but then at the end, you know, we kind of come to a fair...

That's what Italians do, they like to hash things out. Yeah. Like Tommy DeVito, you do that thing right there, yeah. Yeah, it's fire me to be. That was my favorite tweet of yours. Italian Americans like me should be less far fascinated with the sopranos and far more fascinated With the brilliance quite resolved steady hand of Italian American Tommy Davida. That was your tweet

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No one outpices the hut order now at pizza hut dot com. Okay, Sunday. Sorry, everyone was listening right now on Friday. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving. I'm just gonna go straight down the line. Again, we're recording this on early Tuesday morning. Saints at Falcons. I have a theory. I think the Falcons are gonna be good this little second half of the season. Second win. After the buy. I think it starts right now. We're going back to Desmond Ritter, partially because Taylor Heinecke's hurt. I think the Falcons are too talented and too, I don't know, they're going to figure it out. I think they're going to win the NFC South. I think it starts on Sunday. The defense should be good enough. Yeah. They can figure it out. It's just, can Desmond

Ritter stop turning the ball over inside the five yard line? I think they, I think they won the buy. I think they need the buy right now. They're looking up. They're like, okay, look, NFC South, Saints are in the lead right now at five and five. We have everything in front of us. We win on Sunday. We take it from there, we got, you know, another game against the Saints, we got another game against the box and Panthers. So this is the Falcons go time. So the question is which coach do you trust more? Do you trust Arthur Smith? Arthur Smith. Do you trust Dennis Allen? Arthur Smith. Do you trust Todd Bowles? Are do you trust Frank Reich? Are there some one

of those coaches is going to win the division? Well, not Frank Reich. Not Frank Reich. are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there

some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are there some other, are some I thought then out of those other coaches this year. Yes. Yes. I agree. So I think it starts now.

I think the Falcons start now. I'm high on the Falcons. No real reason. Except for the bunch of names that they got. It's gonna be quite a hangover to get high on the Falcons and then get let down. Falcons have a lot of names that I recognize. Yep.

Okay. And also the Saints, are we getting Jamis? I don't know. I would doubt it. I feel like they're probably gonna go back to car. Derrick car is gonna just be the night from what's it called? Monty Python.

Yes. Only a flesh wound. And they're gonna just keep throwing out Derrick car with various injuries being like, we have no other option. You know what, James is just saying they're like, dude, I'll chuck it. I've gotten, I've become more sympathetic to Derrick car after Josh McDaniel's got fired and you go back and you read the retrospects on everything

that he did to that franchise, how he lied to Derek Carr about a bunch of stuff, just treat him like dog shit essentially. I've, I've started to appreciate Derek Carr seems like a very nice guy. Yeah, very good teammate. He kind of got the raw end of the deal in Las Vegas. I've never thought Derek Carr's bad guy like him. I just don't really want to watch him play football anymore. Yeah, I would rather. All it comes out to and especially not if he's in front of Jamis. Yes. There are other teams that I could tolerate Derek Carr more on, but if you see the really fun option right behind him, it's like you got to go with this guy. Just should trade for Jamis. Uh, nerd nugget. Dude, dude, dude. Oh, nerd nugget of the week. Oh Hank Hank wins. He wins hard loud

Sorry Falcons had coach Arthur Smith has started four and six for the third time in three seasons as the Atlanta head coach He has gone on to win the 11th game and each of his first two seasons to improve to five and six guys starts now I got like Jayhawk 2233 mr. Consistency. Yeah, and he's gone seven and 10 for his first two seasons. So, okay, maybe the new Jeff Fisher seven and 10. Well, that's slanderous. Yeah. Well, we don't want to be super. You love both. Jeff Fisher went to a super. So, Arthur Smith Future Superbowl participant. Yes. Yes. Okay, next game. Steelers at Bengals, Matt Canada fired this morning. Congratulations, Steelers fans. I am very happy for you, except for maybe the elephant in the room.

Can you pick it's our friend, but now there's no excuse. This, this big cat is the unlocking of Kenny Pickett. We're going to, that's what you have to tell yourself. You're Steelers fan. Kenny's going to be unlocked. It's Kenny season. This is similar to someone in mainstream media, like the ESPN or Fox, maybe getting fired

or leaving ESPN or Fox and saying, well, I can't wait till I get to go independent and I can say fuck a bunch. And then you hear them and you're like, this doesn't really work. I get uncomfortable, Trey Wingo, when I hear you say fuck a bunch. And then you hear them and you're like, this doesn't really work. I get uncomfortable, Trey, Wingo, when I hear you say the yes word. Yeah, so I'm rooting for Kenny.

I want Kenny to succeed, but there is no more excuse for Kenny because there was a lot of Matt Candida's doing this too, Kenny. I think that you can never say one side gets all the blame. Kenny has not played well. He has to play better. But the excuse is now gone blame Kenny has not played well. He has to play better But the excuses now gone Kenny has to show up. I don't know who's called this was because I don't know if Mike Tomlin would have done this in the middle of the season That it doesn't seem like his MO to fire a coach like that. Yeah, it might have come from above. This might be a Rooney decision

I Think it had a lot to do with one play in particular in their last game against the Browns. Do you remember? Do you remember when we were- Don't we study PFT? I love this. Do you remember when I think it was, I think it was a running back, he got tackled by three Browns on what looked to be a screenplay, but they just threw a screenplay to Warren and He

Didn't have any blockers for him and had two defensive backs and a linebacker that just ran up and tackled him Mm-hmm, and I remember Jerry in that moment was like What the fuck what play was that right then you go back and you watch it and you're like I think Matt Canada just wanted his guy to get killed on that play. Yeah, there's no real explanation for it. Here's, here's, I like that. It's a good deal because I do remember that play and it was made no sense. Here's all the OC, the new way, OC, who is, do we know? What his name is?

Can we find that? The new OC for the Steelers? You basically just have to sit down and just circle the middle of the field and be like, Kenny, we're gonna have you throw it here too. Yeah, because it was all screen passes. It's all on the sideline. Back shoulder, a Pat Fryer Mooth, five yard out. That's like their shot plays.

And every now and then they throw George Picking back shoulder like 15 yards down the field. Yeah, the offense was bad and you have to be super happy if you're a Steelers fan because this is what you wanted. Again, there's pressure on Kenny now. you have to be super happy if you're a Steelers fan because this is what you wanted. Again, there's pressure on Kenny now. We have to just admit it. Like he has not played well.

And again, we're rooting for him, but he has all the pressure because you had the issue with Matt Canada. He is now gone. Kenny Pickett has to perform. As for the Bengals, I don't know. I feel like they might rally a little bit behind Jake Browning. And it's a lost season for the Bengals, which sucks because it just is a reminder even with a franchise quarterback, like all these things are so fleeting. I don't want to, I've had bad thoughts

about the Bengals with Joe Borough that scare me. And it's the idea that what if you knew it was a good old days when it was a good old days because teams change and when you miss a full season with a Super Bowl Calber roster, that's scary. That's scary for for a Bengals fan. Yeah, because now you're thinking window. Right. Now exactly. Now you've got window talk that you have to deal with. You just these things are fleeting. I think the things only have certain time time shelf. Maybe I'm going to be proven really wrong about the Bengals. I think they have a good enough roster to be frisky. Yeah, no, I do too.

Like I don't think that it's just Joe Burrow. And you also get the benefit of Jake Browning. He might not be good, but he's got really good receivers to throw to so he will be better than bad. I watch this play. Watch this play. I watch the play. Who's the OC Jake?

So no official announcement, but Tom Pellicero says they're expected to have running back coach. Eddie Faulkner take over with quarterback coach Mike Sullivan handling. Okay, calling dude Eddie Faulkner watch his play there. He goes to learn in motion. Right and they throw out to him none of these guys block over here. They've got them. They've got a tight end. It looks like he's a big white guy with numbers in the 80s. So I assume tight end. And then you've got two other receivers out there. Three defensive players. It's bad. And it's bad. And he catches the ball. It's the most shocking play that I've seen in a long time. Yeah. And then all the receivers are running go routes. Right past the blockers. Right past the defense. And then all three

guys. Yeah. Come up and tackle them for about three yards. We got a new OC. All right, nerd nugget. 315 quarterbacks have 500 pass attempts since the merger and only one has thrown a touchdown on fewer than 2% of their attempts. Can he pick it? 1.9%. That's a little Christmas if you had NFL on CBS.

Okay, unlocked. Kenny's unlocked. That's what we have to go with right now. You have to, if you're a Steelers fan, play off sort of real possibility. Like, there's a good chance that if you string enough winds together here that you'll be, you'll be rolling into the postseason. You have to think, can you pick it unlocked? And the schedule is nice because you have two games now against the Bengals with no Joe burrow and you also have a game against the Cardinals and Patriots on deck.

So the Steelers, yeah, they got to win. They got to win. So they might be a must win. Okay, next game, Panthers Titans, Nerdnugget. The Titans have played fewer games against the Panthers than any other team in the league. They've only played six, they're tied three-three. They've played at least 12 games against

the other 30 teams in the NFL. Okay, that was our Panthers Titans. I like it. I figured that was coming when it started. Yeah, I like it. That is a sneaky underrated. We talked about this teams in the NFL. Okay, that was our Panthers title. I figured out what started with that. Yeah, I like it. That is a sneaky underrated. We talked about this earlier in the year, like what two teams never play each other.

Titans Panthers never play each other. But you don't think about that because they're so close and their color scheme is kind of similar, but yeah. Yeah, yeah. All right, well, enjoy that. Yeah, box cults, box cults. I'm also very high on the cults. I think the cults are going to be sneaky in maybe the playoff picture. They definitely will.

I think Colts, Bill's, one of those two teams is going to get it, I think. Yeah. And so this is a bad spot for the box in the fact that they just went west coast. Got their ass kicked by the titan or the Niners lost. I don't know if any of these guys are playing because injury Reports haven't come out, but Levantay David, Jamel Dean and Charlton Davis all got hurt. The bucks secondary was already suspect. They've now potentially lost three starters for this game. So they go West Coast could kill by the Niners, get a bunch of injuries back home to Tampa, then up to Indy. Indy's coming off a buy. That's a huge rest advantage for Indy. Yeah, yeah.

It's a home game in Indy, meaning we have tickets for it. So we got to do the way tickets do. Do you want to do like the worst Thanksgiving setup that you have? Yeah. The worst Thanksgiving arrangement that you're personally dealing with.

Yeah. Is your Colts fan? Yeah. If you're dealing with grosses plate, grosses, we could do grossts fan. Yeah. Um, if you're if you're dealing with grosses plate, grosses, but we could do grosses plate. Yeah. Yeah. Or just like worst combination of family and travel. Yeah. That you're dealing dealing with this week. Okay, so so submit it and we'll give away four tickets PMT intern at barstool sports.com. I have a nerd nugget for this game Jake. Yep. This is the first time in NFL history where two quarterbacks are playing each other

whose first names are both occupations. Ooh. Baker and Gardner. And Gardner. Wow. Well. How about that? I actually don't know if that's true,

but I just said it. I mean, it's gotta be true, right? It's gotta be true, right? Those would be the only- What other quarterbacks have had occupation names? Copponeal. Yeah, I don't care. Paint.

Well, it's first name. First name. Patent. No. Yeah, I don't care. Paint, well it's first name. Patent. No. No, no. No. No. Yeah, we'll be honest. I was trying to workshop something.

Maybe Jack's son. Yeah. Never mind. Okay. I like it. It's a nerd nugget. Yeah, it's a nerd nugget. That might be a great nerd nugget of the century.

Yeah. Imagine if there was a quarter back called copo Neil. Let's start it for the jets in the seventies. Copo Neil. Your dad's favorite. I love them. Okay. Next up, Patriots giants.

Henry. Yeah. I actually think the Patriots are going to win this game. Probably. I think it's maybe Tommy DeVito having the best day of his life. Patriots off a buy. I don't even know. Bill Belcheck said when asked about who's starting for quarterback, he said,

I've told every player to be ready to go. I've told every player to be ready to play. So they might not even play a quarterback because I think Bill Belcheck will scheme something up to beat Tommy DeVito himself. It's a good wildcat all day. I'm a big will-guirghire guy. We go way back. I wouldn't hate seeing him get some, get a shot. Yeah.

Why not? You know, this is the last week's game against the commanders. That was the first time a Giants quarterback through three touchdowns and a game since 2018. Whoa. That's not good. That's not, I also... I do love DeVito doing the Italian finger celebration. The best. That's the best. That's the best.

That's the best. I've seen a long time. Yeah. So I was thinking about Mac Jones this weekend. And actually, this I'm being I'm being honest, this is not an insult. I mean it as a compliment. Go on. I think Mac Jones could be a very good long term backup quarterback in the NFL. I think everything that he does well as a quarterback is exactly what you'd expect from like a chase Daniel type

of guy. It's just when he gets pressured, when the blitz comes, he shits all over himself. I feel like we talk about backup quarterbacks a lot in this show and what it takes to be one. And I just don't think a, you know, a top recruit, Alabama starting quarterback, drafted, starting quarterback.

Those guys don't usually transition well to being a backup. Uh, Jalen Hertz was a great backup quarterback. We're talking about backup to starting. Max Jones is starter to backup. Yeah. Very different. Yeah. Right.

Well, so was Jalen Hertz. He was to his backup. That's backup to starter. I'm saying it's hard to go from starter to back up. He went to go back starter and then he backed up to a got it still but that that one game. Yeah, they transferred. Oh no, he's no, he was there for full season, right? Because they brought that right. That's right. In the SEC championship. Yes. Yeah. But he's still transferred. He's still transferred after that.

I just I don't I don't see it. Okay. Okay. I was just trying to think of something nice to say about Mac Jones. That's nice. Seems like you get back up quarterback. He could be. I would not hate having Mac Jones as a backup quarterback. I get a chance as a backup somewhere. Yeah, that's for sure. But yeah, I think you might win this game, Hank.

Excited? No. You don't want to win. I don't care. Full tank. Full tank. Full tank. Why not?

We're this far in. Yeah, you might as well. What is winning do? Yeah. Did anybody get to the bottom of Kavan Tibido's Sack Celebration he did last week, where he drew a heart, and then he appeared to open up a jewelry box?

Cause it looked like he was doing an engagement. It's a great engagement. On the field. Damn. And I knew that the commanders were bad. I didn't know that we were proposed here a girlfriend during a game bad. Yeah, cause you got to play on that before

being like, we're gonna win this. I'm gonna have so many sacks today. I don't even think it was his first sack. Yeah. I think it might have been his second sack of the game and he pulled out the ring box, but I didn't see any reporting about it. I think he might have gotten engaged

during the game last week. Whoa. He might have. Do we do nerd nugget? No, late credit to Spence CT 23 for the last one. Last week, Giants quarterback, Talami Davido, through three touchdown passes. He's the first Giants QB to three throw three passing TDs in one game since December 22nd, 2019. Whoo. Dale Jones versus commanders. Rick and he's I thought I was two five. I thought

was 2018. Hmm. Um, both commanders. Yeah. But I, I, I did say that nerd nugget about five minutes ago, Jake. My flight's delayed. Sorry. Okay. Jaguar's Texans. This is a great fucking game. Yeah. This might actually be TV one.

Whoever wins this game is winning that division. That's my prediction. It's like, I'm so excited for this game because you get this chance to see which team is really, really for real because I'm going to go even further to PFT. The winner of this game, I might, they might be a Super Bowl contender. Dark horse, little prisco. Imagine that the Texas made a Super Bowl. Be crazy. It'd be nuts. It'd be crazy. There, I mean, this is going to be a great, great game. And I, I, I set it on Sunday.

I'll say it again. The Texans, they get credit for me and my eyes playing the Cardinals, beating the Cardinals with like a C plus game, and their defense was able to, to make some big stops and pick up CJ Stroud throwing three interceptions. Like you're, I think we know now that CJ out to the real deal. He's not going to have three interceptions every game. So the taxes are a really good team. They're just a really good fucking football team. So when was the last time that rookie quarterback made the Super Bowl? Was that big Ben? Probably when they went what like 15 and one and Ben didn't really do much.

Or was he second? That might have been his second year. I think they made the Super Bowl in his second year. He went 15 and one, I believe, because he came in like halfway through the season or after a couple games because of injury, that was not his rookie year. That was not his rookie year.

I think he went 15, yeah, 15 won in his rookie years. Yeah, but they did not make the Super Bowl. Yeah, I won a win the last time, a rookie quarterback made the Super Bowl was. But yeah, I do think that whoever wins this game is going to win that entire division. Yeah, I'm excited. Nerd nugget for this game.

I'm looking that up right now. I think it was Big Ben. No, Big Ben, I think went, I think his first year he didn't go to the Super Bowl. 2005. That's what we were just talking about. Yeah, so it was a rookie in 2004 I think. You might need to take a time out.

CJ Stroud is just one of two players to be a top two pick in the common draft era and having winning record through 10 quarterback starts alongside Andrew Luck. You might need to. Wow. Yeah, big Ben 2004 was 13 and oh, but did not go to not win a Superlose. The Patriots won the Superlose. Yeah. Yeah. You want time out? Yes. Okay, let's skip the next nerd nugget Okay, unless it's good Browns Broncos Hmm, oh geez all right Rams Cardinals

I'll skip it, but actually no Just time out time out time out time out time out time out time out time out We'll do we'll do Brown's Broncos and and you'll skip it I have a question for you big cat. Yeah, is this Sean Payton's best job coaching? Yes. Yes. Yes. I love that we're having this conversation We we took a shit all over Sean Payton for the first four games. Oh, yeah, I've games of the season But somehow some way the Broncos are fun. They're good. Yeah. Like I think they are actually a good football team. And yeah, I think they're going to win this game. I think you're going to be six and five. This is another sneaky game that will be huge for playoff implications. When you get to the tiebreakers, if both these teams end up in that 9-10 win category.

Yeah, this would be, this would be master for the Broncos. If you're a Browns fan, you just gotta keep open DTR can continue to not fuck up too much. Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco. Listen, I'm not a Browns fan. I do have a future on them. I'm hoping for Joe Flacco, just for my own personal legacy.

He's played well in Denver. That's true, has he? The one game. The playoff legacy. He's played well in Denver. That's true, has he? The one game? The playoff game, yeah. Yeah, where he, at least in that one pass. Did he play for the Broncos for a minute? He did, yeah.

That's right. I thought you were talking about Flacco. I was only talking about him on the Ravens against the Broncos. This is so it's revenge game. Yeah. This is Joe Flacco revenge game going back to mile high. Yeah. His old stomping grounds.

I just, I can't believe that the Broncos have Put this thing back together so quickly when it looked lost It's also just a nice sign that like even if your team looks like they're in tank mode just string a couple wins together I wouldn't know what it feels like but if you can string a couple wins together It's got to be a nice feeling they had the worst defense in the history of the NFL about what? Month and a half ago. Yeah. And then all of a sudden they're beating great teams weekend week out. I think I think the Broncos are good now. Yeah. I do too. Uh, okay. We're going to skip the nerd nugget timeout still on. You're good, Jake. It's okay. Yeah. Jake put his hands to his head.

Like it just like it suffered like a terrible, terrible loss. I take I love you. You're good Jake. You're doing a good job. You're doing a good job. Uh, okay. Rams Cardinals. This Rams got to win this game. If they want to be there, they're at the line in the sand in their season where and there might not be any Cooper cup. If the Rams win this game, they now are like, Hey, we can maybe go to the playoffs. If the Rams lose this game, pack it in. It's over. Yeah. They've got draft picks.

So you can, for the first time in a long time, the Rams fans can think, should we be tanking right now? I know it's a completely foreign experience to go through for, for you guys. But if you lose the, I would actually be thinking about tanking right now already if I were the Rams. Yeah. Because they don't look good recently. I, I think they're still going to win this game though and hopefully they'll get up to eight wins this season. That'd be great for some of us, but

I don't think they're a good team. I don't think that they're a shitty team though. That's the thing. I don't think that the Rams are amongst the worst of the worst teams in the NFL. Yeah, not the worst of the worst. If Stafford's on the team worst of the worst. Yes. I'm also just happy to call his back. He is more fun. This is a late slate game. We have four games in the late slate. This one will be a fun one to be like, oh shit.

Kyler, fourth quarter has the ball down five. He's got to try to make a crazy play. Yeah. I love it when teams put a QB spy on Kyler because they don't even approach him to try to tackle him. Yeah. Just like, please just don't run past run past us try to funnel him out of bounds. Yeah, which you do can you do that? Yes, all right nerd nugget redemption. Thank you Gonna take advantage of the second chance the Cardinals have not beaten the Rams at home since November 9th 2014 part of my take was still more than a year away from existing at that point. Wow

That's crazy. That's a good nerd nugget Thank you also remind big cotton pft or bet Rams point. Wow. That's crazy. That's a good nerd nugget. Thank you. Also, our main big cotton PFC to our bet Rams Cardinals tie. That's a preseason. Oh, that's Cardinals tie. All right, thank you. Okay.

Thank you. Very cool, Jake. Am's Cardinals tie. Gotta do it. All right. Chiefs Raiders. Whew. Could the Raiders stay in this game?

I think they could. I don't know. I feel like this is this is it. If the chief said one against the game? I think they could. I don't know. I feel like this is, if the Chief said one against the Eagles, I would say bet the Raiders. I guess it may be, you think it may be to get right game. It's a get right game. Like it's a score points in the second half game for the Chiefs. Must score points in the second half.

Yeah, 100%. Similar to a must compete. Yeah. Must score points. So if the Chiefs lose this game, but they score 20 points in the second half, that's good. That's good. That means the progress. I'm going to count that as a win for the chiefs. Yes. I don't know. I think the Raiders can stick in this game. I don't know why. It's stupid. Tom Kaufland is advising Antonio Pierce on how to coach a team. I love that. You got to be

careful. Antonio Pierce. Tom Kaufland will just find one of his buddies to be hired instead. Yeah, probably. Yeah. All right, nerd nugget for this game last week. Raiders running back Josh Jacobs surpassed Marcus Allen for the most rushing arts by a raider Raiders running back in their first five seasons Josh chips 400 and one he's really good very good. He just need to give him the ball all the time all the time And also maybe pay him a little bit of money Yeah, that would be that would be nice as well We're gonna get back to the weekend preview in a second. It's brought to you by Paparoni. I love paparoni Blake loves paparoni. It's his favorite treat in the entire world

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Conflict game three. Yep, love it. I'm gonna be flying during this game. I just, I looked that up this. That's bad. Yes, it's bad. Bad planning. I'm already panicking about it. That's bad.

If they lose, if they lose, you're gonna, you're gonna get a lot of shit max. On an airline. I know, on an airline. United, they like don't, I've already talked. I've already talked.

I've already said any airline and shake would've been like, ah, well, Jeb Lewin, Delta usually have TV series. I've already talked to my brother. My brother is going to be giving me text updates during the game. I'm nervous about not being able to watch. I feel like that just puts me at a disadvantage. Yeah, big time disadvantage.

You're not there for your team. You called this a must win game earlier. It's not even a must watch game. Oh, wow. No, it is a must watch game. No, it's not. Well, you're O and one on must watch games. That's not your ending.

Flying on a Sunday, you got to get that first flight out of town. I know, I know, I fucked up. You can change it. Probably not. Cron Butler, I took the Cron Butler. You can change it. Probably not. Cron, what, what? Cron Butler. I took the Cron Butler and I go over for the not bad. Ryan Gold's 260, five pounds come out of high school.

Can't take everyone. Yeah, fucked up. I fucked up. Max, that's, it's not good. It's not good. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I think the Eagles? Nope. I have a hot take for this game. I think the bills are gonna win. That's another must win for the bills. I think the bills are gonna win two out of their next three, which are at chiefs, at Eagles at chiefs,

versus Cowboys. I think the bills are going to make the playoffs. Everything that could have gone wrong to start their season went wrong, back against the wall. I think the bills are going to get back in the conversation. We're all sound so fucking stupid. Come Monday morning. Where does stuff on Diggs land in this? Is he happy to be on the bills or is he trying to get out

Diva watch big time. Yeah. The biggest Diva watch. Yeah. I don't know. I just there's no real reason for me to think this because the Eagles are the better team. But maybe it's, maybe it's as simple as Josh Allen having his guy, Ken Dorsey fired. He's got to be like, all right, this is on me. Kind of like we were talking about with Kenny Pickett. This is on me. I have to perform. I have to take care of the football.

I like Joe Brady though. I do. Yeah. I just, I got a nagging feeling and the Eagles coming off a big emotional win on Monday night football Weird week with Thanksgiving, but every game's gonna like this is the gauntlet like this This isn't that was like look ahead or well no, you're off a buy against the chiefs Yeah, and Suryani said like I'm not gonna do the thing where I just say it's another game like he acknowledged that this Monday night game Yes, super cool. He was huge super. this Monday night game. Yeah, Super Bowl.

In Kansas City was huge. Super Bowl rematch. Yeah, but it, but it, that was your Super Bowl. I think like a let down game is when you're playing like, I understand. I'm just saying that's it's an emotional, it's an emotional, like win. And it's a win.

Okay. So there's gonna be a lot of. You're not even gonna watch the game. So what do you care? I'm gonna be locked in through my brother. You know what? Max, if you're if Max's brother's listening to this right now, I would actually like you to not text him updates and we'll take care of it. I that's not going to happen. We have to and I got you Max. We will take care of the updates.

That's what you got this you know, we're going to watch every game. We got this. You will, I won't trust a single thing that Max brother, please Max's brother, please do not text him updates. Actually, no, yeah, you can text. Yeah, no matter what, I just want the AWLs to know that no matter what, don't be tweeting fake updates about the game to Max during the game. Don't do that. We can't have that.

He needs to be locked in. Yeah. Don't tweet him fake updates. Don't tell him things that are not right. Don't do that. Thank you. Thank you listeners. Don't be me.

Thank you listeners. Okay. I got some breaking moves. Oh, breaking moves. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, Moose. Wisconsin will open the 2027 season against Pittsburgh in Ireland. Oh, let's go. That's 2027. Oh, my they are going to we go.

Yeah, they're going to drink. Let's go. Right. Jake put it on the on the list. We're going to go future year. Yeah, we're going. We're going. We're going.

Ireland does not have enough beer for the good people of Wisconsin If it's crazy to say if it's week zero 2027 held will be I'm I'm thinking about my Kids I think my kids will be of age to like actually be able to waste money on them going to another country Yeah, it's like there's you don't want to do it when they're really young We should probably like there are like eight six and four We should probably get there a couple weeks early to golf Hank. Yep. Yeah, okay great week Ireland. Yeah, we're going. We're going. We're going That's huge all right huge

Time flights right now. He's looking at courses. We will be there God damn it. That's gonna happen so fast. Yeah, it's going to be summer 2027. And you're like, wait, we're going to go to this game. I wouldn't be say we're going to go to this game. I love it when they scheduled the home and homes. Now they're in like 2042. It's the best. It's the best. Um, all right. Nerd nugget. The bill's defense did not allow a third-down conversion against the Jets last week, forcing New York to go on 11. It's their first time since 1987, preventing an opponent from converting a first down on a third. Wow.

Okay. Last game, Ravens Chargers, night games, Sunday night. We do get the flex season is upon us. I hope they start flexing out Monday night as well, because I think I saw... Most of the Monday nights are actually good. Yeah, the cheese are playing the Patriots, which will suck, but they'll probably won't flex out patch from my homes. I think there was a Titans in there Titans dolphins maybe yeah

Yeah, yeah, that's tough, but then again it's dolphins which is fun to watch either way Ravens chargers Brandon Staley his seat could not be hotter. I Just think the Ravens This spot says chargers But everything that's gonna happen on the field says Ravens because the Chargers now don't have Bosa. Their defense already sucked. Chargers linebackers are atrocious. Middle of their defense is really bad. Feels like the Ravens will run. They'll be able to run crossers, a Zay flowers and Odell Beckham all day. I think the Ravens are going to kill.

Mark Andrews might come back by the end of the season. That's huge. So it might not be out for the rest of the entire year, which would be great for the playoffs. You just need him for the playoffs. You need him for the playoffs. But without him, I actually like the chargers. Ooh.

I think Mark, like obviously we talked about it on Monday's show. He's not as good as Travis Kelsey. That's obvious. But I think he means as much this offense as Travis Kelsey does. This Mark Andrews might be as good as this Travis Kelsey, that's obvious. But I think he means as much this offense as Travis Kelsey does. This Mark Andrews might be as good as this Travis Kelsey. Yeah, I would say so. Yeah, like right now.

Right now. This Mark Andrews with the devastating foot injury is as good as this Travis Kelsey with his tired tongue and fingers. Yep, yep, got it. Agreed. But no, I actually, I know I've sworn off the C words for a very long time

I think I'm back on the sea words this weekend Okay, we're not point dogs at home staley back against the wall no mark Andrews. I don't know I'm an idiot. I should not be do I can feel myself being a moron right now a lot of football is gonna happen between then and now So I'm just gonna go with I'm gonna go with it because maybe I'm being contrarian But I just I don't know maybe it's just the logos. Maybe I still expect too much. You know what it is It's time for the universe to write itself They need to score they need to win this game by three points and that way The chargers under Justin Herbert and as a franchise in total will be back to 500

Yeah, and with a three point win, they'll have the exact zero points point differential. Perfect. That's what happens. Parfpoint win for the Chargers, book it. All right. Nerd nugget. The Chargers have lost five games this season

by three or fewer points. No other team has lost more than two such games. Yes. We did, we talked about that on Sunday. That's a crazy stat. Five versus two. Yeah, crazy. Crazy crazy five of their six losses Okay, picks

Picks We don't know what the standings are because we had Thursday football We all did a pick for Thursday footballer in the show, but let's get into the picks So because memes went first Hank will go first now I don't know what to do. It means it's picks here. We don't have them. Can you text them? You want to call them X? I mean this is bad. Yeah, this is bad. I have them. Oh, you have. Okay. All right. Great. All right. Hank, give us a pick. Hank needs to win. Find a win, Hank. Bill's plus or a half. I want to take the Eagles I want to take the Eagles out I want to take the Eagles out

Bill's right in your face I'll take the Colts Colts minus two and a half At home against the Bucks PFT I'm going to go Atlanta Falcons minus one At home against the Sins

Spicy Atlanta Falcons minus one hmm at home against the same spicy I'm gonna go with Steelers minus one at Bengals new offense new off any pickets back unlock the unlocked yes I am going to go Texans Texans love it and names has to is going to go with the Titans. Okay, against the Panthers. We had a great preview of that game. Yep. And he's also going to go Bucks Colts over. 43 now. I was going to go with that. I like that one. Well, close or always over. Okay. I am gonna go with the Chargers Ravens over. Ooh, I like it. I like it a lot of 46 and a half. I like it a lot Max. Okay, I'm gonna go with

Giants Patriots under 33 and a half. Ooh, yeah, that's gonna go with Giants, Patriots, under 33 and a half. Yeah, that's gonna be gross. I'm gonna do it, Bears Vikings, over 43 and a half. Oh, I like it. I was actually looking at that one as well. Yeah, well, Monday night. Alright, I'll go Rams Cardinals, over 44 and a half. Hank, finish this off. Alright, I'll go Rams Cardinals over 44 and a half. Hank, finish this off.

I will go with Steelers Bangles under 34 and a half. Nice, okay, those are our picks. Good show, boys. Hope everyone has a happy and healthy Thanksgiving. Now would we like to talk about the lottery ball machine, Max, ball gate. Ball gate. For those not on Twitter, what happened? Go ahead, Max. Now would we like to talk about the lottery ball machine max ball gate ball gate For those not on Twitter what happened go ahead max you were the one who's collecting the data

You weren't saying it but other people were saying yeah, there are other people saying I want a very clear max never said it I didn't say any of this of their work although he did slip up because he's so dumb when we were arguing in the studio He was like I think you did I was like what why do say I? No, that may or may not be true. No, that definitely happened. That may or may not be true. You can't, you were trying to do my bit back to me, which I respect, but you can't even hold it. Oh yeah, you come on, it was,

it gets heated in the moment. You get heated in every moment. Yeah. You're just a heated guy. You run a hot, you run a hot, you're a cool ass player. So back to what I explained want to explain to the people what happened? Um, yeah, we basically established this lottery ball is different than the last lottery ball

because the last lottery ball, you would click a button and then you would just let it go. It would play. It would go around for a couple of seconds and then automatically it would take a ball. This one, you physically, the person pressing the button physically has to pick a moment of when the ball comes up. Every other time this year, big hat has turned his head. Not true. No, not true. Those screenshots, I don't care. Max. Max didn't care. He's just collecting all data, but he also went back and watched every episode. So you would. Sounds like a good investigation. But he's not the one investigating, because talking about other people,

at the start, when we got the lottery machine, I think we did specify, when we did the first rep, that you were to look away when you press, Correct. Because you have a button that press, Correct. Okay. So in all of the other ones,

you, you click the button that, that gets the machine going, you turn your head, you turn back to make sure that your finger is on the right button, and then you turn your head again, and then you click the picking button that like sucks it up. Okay, use your words. So the one that you-

Don't listen to Max. The one that you won, you looked the entire time, and there was no looking away, it was the first time that you had looked the entire time. Yeah, late Sunday night, forgot that I was supposed to look away, that's my bad. Yeah. So other people on Twitter brought to my, this to my attention.

Not you. And that's not what I was just sharing. And that's not what I was just sharing. And that's not what I was just sharing. I was just sharing boots. I was sharing the findings of other people. I need to get in this line. Well, now I would admit it.

Now, I mean, now it's not even a real alliance. It's like, there's an asterisk. Hey, do you think I did it? I saw you do it. Yeah. Wait, I got the button. I got the number. You saw him do what?

He saw me get the number. Hey, can you put your headphones on? Okay, I can. Max, Max, Max. Max, Max, Max, Max. So here's the thing thing we tried to recreate it because it's not easy to do the numbers The balls move very so fast like and I tried to What number it is and I try I said I'm gonna try to pick 64 and Max you witness me do this I

Selected the button and I got 63 okay, which is I don't know if that's an interesting data point or not. No, it's because close. It's close. It's all a number inside the circle that looked like 64, 63, close to 60. Now I don't believe that Big Cat was able to select the number. Like, it's very, very hard to do. But I also know that if anyone else had done with Big Cat, Big Cat fair. Big cat would be the leading the charge being.

Well, no, I wouldn't. I wouldn't be. I would be listening to other people say it, like Max did. Yeah. All right, so can I speak? Yeah. Okay, so I'm being 100% honest when I say I did not see the number and then hit select. I was, it was a late Sunday night.

I was dazed and I'm just like blankly staring at the lottery ball machine. But I love Jim Harbaugh. Jim Harbaugh showed this this. Max and PFT, much like Crying Ryan Day. Uh, excuse is, is rampant in our world where if you don't win, it's not like, hey, we lost. It's, we got to find a way to claim someone else did it wrong and cheated, and we have to make excuses for our own failures. It's a sad state of where America is as a country. I wish I could stop it.

I'm only one man. I wish I could stop the type of behavior, the Max and PFT are projecting right now. I just had your back, and I said that I don't think that it's possible to do it. Okay, all right, so just Max, I don't think that it is possible to do. Okay, all right, so just Max, I'll take you out of it, PFT.

Whoa, I have a Max. All right, are you right? No, you're right, PFT. PFT is right. I just heard Max say it. All right, now I'm telling you what I heard other people say. What camera am I looking at? I want to look at the camera to the people.

That one thing. Okay. What Max is displaying right now is everything that's wrong with this country. This country is probably going to falter in the next decade or so because of people like Max. Max is an excuse guy. Max is a loser.

If he loses a game, instead of saying, I lost a game, he says, oh, well they cheated. They did something wrong. I have to find a way out of this. There's no way I could lose. It's pathetic. It's cowardly and it's disgusting. It is exactly how this country has completely gone to waste If I could run for president right now, I wouldn't I'd say I just hold a poster or max Be like don't be like max make America not max again. That's what we need to do make America men again

Make America men again. So here's what I'm gonna do because because Max has muddied the waters and be such a crybaby loser coward. I will say right now, I'm fine with not taking the win, because that's what you want, Max. You want to make excuses. No, I want to make an asterisk. Let me finish. Max wants excuses when he doesn't win something. So guess what?

Much like Jim Harbaugh, I'll say go ahead. That's fine. I don't win. Hank, I'm out of the club. They want, they want to drag me down. They want to make a mockery of this whole thing and cry, be like, cry babies. I thought we stood for something on this podcast. I thought we were men. Unfortunately, we're boys. And I'll play your little boy-ass game right now. So I will take away the winning 71, and guess what? Because I'm such a man, and because I believe in this great country, I will win it without looking at it before Max does. Okay, so here's, that was a great speech, big guy. Thank you.

Thank you. I do love run through a brick wall. I love, you're gonna make yourself run through it. Yeah, well, the brick wall is just Max and his fat fuck. All right, so as an impartial observer to this entire situation, I was behind the times when I found out about it. I came in here, Max gave me the entire rundown, which again, he didn't say, but other people were saying, I don't believe that Big Cat actually was able to select the ball. The balls move so fast. But on this podcast, we do have precedent for button pressing scenarios.

Yeah, I think what would happen with that. I think we got to press the button for this podcast for the first time in seven years. So loser coward. So given the loser coward punishment, yeah, I think we should enact a similar punishment in case Big Cat happens to press the button while looking at the lottery ball machine again,

okay, which would be two years in a soul patch for big cats. That's fine. Okay, that's fine. Well, I have to look at it. No, I'm pressing it and then also get it. No, I'm saying you cannot press the button and look at the balls.

But it would have to be me getting it as well. That would be automatic two year soul patch. Because again, it was Sunday night, I'm fucking dazed. I'm not. People can believe I think the I think people who understand what it means to be a man to stand on something, what America used to be will understand. Then when I say I am not able to select when the number is coming, know that I was not cheating. I was literally just dazing and looking at this thing at midnight on a Sunday after a long weekend

But I think what you're saying is fair But it has to be if I look and I get the number then it's automatically if you look at our and anyone gets them That's fine. I would say that I might be there might be kahoo fine with that now No, never look again and again when I did look I offered max to sit down in my chair and try to get the number exactly. Again, coward, loser, everything, communism. My cow's the whole thing. That was not that was not. Communism.

This part was. Like all the bad things that you know in this world, Max was like, no, pedophilia, all these things. Max stands for and he wouldn't sit in the chair and say, I saw your tweet last night, Max. Yeah. That was, it was a little boy-ass play. Yeah, you love pizza.

Interesting. Mm. Mm. I think it's innocent until proven guilty. Thank you, Jake, but that's fine. You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna take all, because I love the lottery ball machine. I love this thing.

I think it's a very fun wrinkle that our show has. I'm surprised Boston hasn't stolen it yet. I love this lottery ball machine. I don't want it to be corrupted by losers, cowards, babies like Max Dillenton. And Cheaters. And great. Max making a mockery of this whole thing.

You were made it. You were making a mockery. No, no, no, no. I was not. Okay, so Big Cat's giving some great speeches here. For the record. I'll keep going with speech. He would be on the complete. Yeah, of course I agree

I agree I agree he would be a loser you would max max would turn you into loser. I agree fast That's why I max one I wouldn't happen though if Max is on the other side He wouldn't take strip his own title away. No, I'm I'm showing I'm leading from the front No, no because showing that excuses and will not stand in this country No, and I will start from scratch and start with zero win max you can I will win it without you You can't let him take a win by taking a lot of it right the Seven one does not count. I'm at zero. I per take update the log. No Jake. Well, let's take a vote No, I think that was a great great speech And I know that you believed every word of it.

I stripped my own time. I think that we should vote on it. And I think that's what Max wanted. Hunter's gonna be that if you pick the machine and it gets on anybody. You know, we already established that. Yeah, we already established that. Also interesting data point.

We filmed a little interview for the PMT documentary afterwards. And the guy that's putting it all together, he was like, I'm gonna try to do it. And he tried to get 50 and he got 49. Okay. He got one off and I was like, that is really interesting. But that actually has nothing to do with it.

It doesn't look like. Memes tried to get three and he got like 58. So, I am zero. No, I'm at zero. No, I'm at zero. All it says is that you would increase your chances of getting it. Okay, and I'm telling you, I was not looking at the balls

being like, I gotta press the button at this exact time. Okay, all those in favor was, I was not staring at the balls trying to press the button at the exact time. I'm telling you the honest truth, and again, I'm at zero. And Max, this is a bad, again, hold on, let me speak first. We got a vote. This is a bad lesson to the people. I feel bad for the AWLs because this is proving

that the cowards and the babies and the losers, like max, excuses them does win. I think we got a vote. I think we got a vote on this. I think that's zero. That's my wish. Hank, please vote for me for zero. Jake, please vote for me for zero.

No campaigning, loud. Agreed. I've already given. All right. Does big cats lotto machine count in the final standings? All in favor. Wait, it's either count or doesn't count. No asterix. That's the vote.

I know you can't vote as asterix. You can't vote asterix. It's either counts or doesn't count. You can write in, right? You can write in, right? I'll write it. I'll write in. So you vote asterix counts.

PFT, you vote counts. I vote that it counts because I tried to simulate it. It's way harder than you think. It's basically impossible to do. It was interesting though. I just want to say, I'm going to vote that it counts, but it's interesting. It would be hard.

If I was able to do it, I would have done it already and I would have made sure Hank never got it. That would have been a fact. Who votes that it does not count stripper from the record? Jake, what's your vote? I think it counts. All right. I know what you're feeling.

As someone who's done something with your vote, that's a really hard to do. I want to say it's fake. Jake, I'm asking you to vote. You're asking you to sign. The vote's in. The vote's in. You can't change the vote.

It's a tie. So it sounds like asterix. No, it is. You voted asterix. Jake, please change your vote. I'm asking you nicely. I would like to start at zero. I don't want to have any clouded. I don't deserve it because stand up for yourself. These muddied the water. I don't want. I don't want there to be any controversy with the lottery ball machine. I love this lottery ball machine. I don't see any controversy. You

want. I understand, but Max has muddied the water. What is the whole name thing? That he's thrown in there. I'm asking you nicely, Jay, please vote for me. I want to get it again before Max does, and then be like, fuck you, Max. I will literally face fucking. Memes gets to the decide. Think of the moment, Jake.

Think of the moment. Mettax Memes. Jake, think of the moment. Please, I'm asking for a vote. No, I don't deserve it. I don't want it because Max has ruined it for me. I don't want it. I don't want it because Max is made his ruin it for me I don't want you then you should do a self-imposed man. No, I don't I find I'll get on your side no win all right great all right All right, hey, I've got this no, I haven't max. Hey Max. Are you a loser baby coward? No, I baby. Yes, you are

That's fine Everyone everyone who's listening right now. I just want to say again Stand on the right side of America. Don't let the Maxis win because this is happening. Every small town in America is having Maxis pop up and make crybaby excuses for every little thing, every little hardship, and that's how we lose. You want China?

China's coming. For the record it was. China doesn't make excuses. It was other people that it was something. It wasn't made. China doesn't make excuses. All right. Numbers. Eight. Twenty. Seventy-one. Excuse it was other people that it was something it wasn't China doesn't make excuses alright numbers eight 20 71 17 bangs this

56 Shane 10 does mean to have means you go three right? No, he didn't say three. He's not here means he has a mean 74 oh I'm look. I must look. I can't wait to get it. Before I feel like I might release a Dan Gilbert, Comic Sans. Remember when he said that report being like they will never win a title. He was wrong. Yeah, I know he was wrong, but you get the point. Remember when he said that the Eagles were going to lose because I brought together justice. No, I said there was bad vibes. Yeah, there's bad vibes. Karma, you're all on line. Everyone should, again, I was awoken last night to realizing

the AWOs who think Max is disgusting and annoying and talks too much. And I saw it for a moment I do love him. I don't think that's true, but I at least hear you now. You're, you're, you're heard minority. This is a classic case of Max being a crybaby loser. Well did it with the turf in the Super Bowl You're gonna do it again now much like the Michigan Ohio State thing We need to find out who discovered this was this what's so someone on YouTube was it was it Max's brother? I can give I can give credit to the first person he brought this to my attention Also John Rich was really he really, he had a great tweet about it. What do you say?

He, I can pull that up. He said, this was after the meme's test because Big Cat was like this proves that I didn't do it. Not a conclusive test would have to run thousands of tests to know if a competitive advantage is gained from choosing a ball at the top of the pile. Could Marshall pick correctly every time? No, could he improve his odds from one to ball at the top of the pile. Good bar shall pick pick correctly every time.

No, could he improve his odds from one to a hundred to one to 50? Maybe. Great point. Okay, so I would love to do a test. I will do a test. He said thousands, thousands. I'll do thousands. What do I got to do?

Oh, yeah, this guy actually we should we should have. Sean, we should have. Sean Spellberg. Yeah, he's. Yeah, he's. You guys should do that in the box. That's one of your things. Sean what? Sean Spellberg. Sean Spellberg. Yeah. And Max, you got to do that in the box. That's one of your things. Sean, what?

Sean Spellberg. So he is the king of losers and cowards. No, he is. No, he is the king of justice. He is the king of justice. I think there will be a lot of people who realize that I've been nothing but forthright in this, in this investigation and this entire thing. And they'll be like, I want to stand with a guy like Big Cat who wants to make America

great again. It's just a coincidence. It was, it was a hell of a coincidence and very interesting. That you agree. It was interesting. Like, that's all I'm saying. No, you were saying more than that. That's all that was you. You were saying more than that. You were saying more than that. It's I'm saying more than that. And I saw Max yesterday when he brought this to my attention. He had the biggest smile on his face. Yeah. And you know when Max gets excited, he starts to like itch his balls.

Yeah. He was doing that. Yeah. He was like, oh, you got to see what's going on. Same line because he, yeah, because he, he found an excuse for being a who wasn't. It was just an interesting observation that Sean Spell bring brought to the table. Okay. And then everyone else who also saw all of the data, a of people are on my side. A lot of people are on my soul. Okay. A lot of people are on my side.

No. Yes. You were matched. Most people are on my side. Max is doing the thing like when Clay Travis does like a, who's ever going to vote for in 2024. And it's his Twitter audience. Max, of course, Twitter audience is your turn. Your loser, your loser Twitter audience is gonna be like, yeah, Max, we didn't lose. Let's make excuse. I think what we have to do. The turf in the Super Bowl. This is actually what we should do.

We should have Max during the livestream where he's locked in a box with Hank, they should have to do the lottery machine. And if Max gets it and tries to get it within the first 50 choices, then Max, it's wiped off the board and we never talk about it again. Well, it's already wiped off the board. It's already wiped off the board. I'm at zero. If you can't get it, I'm wiped off the board back up. I'm at zero. I'm going to get

it. What do you think, Max? I feel like that would be good for the for the live stream. I'm going to get this number before Max And it's gonna be the best day of my life It'll be better than all three of my children being born. That's a fact But what about what about when I get it before you I will smash this lottery ball machine over your head And I'll try to find some excuse like you and be a cry baby. All right. That's a show. Thank you everyone for listening to my presidential speech I will be running soon. Love you guys. I dreamt of me I'm a baby I'm a baby girl

I dreamt of me I'm a baby I'm a baby Talking away I don't know what I'm just saying I'm saying it in there Today is a Monday

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