Pardon My Take - NBA Champ Shawn Marion + We're Time Traveling

Episode Date: April 8, 2019

PFT is in Hong Kong, Big Cat and Hank are in Minneapolis, welcome to the time traveling episode of Pardon My Take (2:27 - 4:12). Recapping the Final Four, Auburns heartbreak, Kirk Cousins speech, and how to make Monday night's game more interesting (4:12 - 13:27). PFT recaps his trip to Hong Kong and the Rugby 7's (13:27 - 21:30). Who's back of the week (21:30 - 29:28). 4X NBA All Star and NBA Champion Shawn Marion joins the show to talk about his career in the league, his favorite teammate, the title run with Dirk, the 7 seconds or less Suns, and his shot being ugly as hell (29:28 - 69:50). Segments include PR 101 for Aaron Rodgers, Roasting the new Jets Jerseys, way to stay relevant baseball, PFT hot in the streets, and Monday Reading - Hank's resume. You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

Hey, pardon my take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. Today's part of my take, we have Sean Marion, The Matrix, Tricks in Studio. We taped it a couple of weeks ago. We also have PFT in Hong Kong. We do explain it to PFT what happened in the Final Four. We have a Big Mad from Auburn fans, Who's Back of the Week and a very special Monday reading. Huge show, crossing time zones, crossing days, PFTs recording a day in advance, a little bit wild, but a fun show. Before we get to all of that, it's time to talk about the cash card from the Cash App, the number one finance app in the App Store. For a reason, the cash card is the most

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Google Play and order the cash card today. You're not an award-winning listener unless you do go, so go download it now. Okay, let's go. Welcome to part of my take presented by the Cash App, our new presenting sponsor. Today is Monday, April 8th or if you're PFT who's currently in Hong Kong, it already is April 8th. Hello from the future. Greetings from the future. It's nice. It's very sunny outside. It's a little smoggy in the future, so something to be on the lookout for. But yeah, Hong Kong is a great city. It's kind of weird podcasting on a Monday morning. But you know what? We grind. We persevere. We overcome these adversities. PFT, this is actually a throwback to when we first started part of my take over three

years ago when we thought it would be a good idea to do the show on the morning of and try to release it at noon and then after like two episodes like this is the dumbest thing we've ever done. So it was a throwback episode for you. Yeah, it usually takes my brain a good, you know, six, seven hours to start percolating to the point where I can give these takes off. So it's kind of unusual, but my body still doesn't know what time it is. So my body thinks that it's Sunday night still. So I'm just very, very confused by the time I get back to New York, I'm not going to know which way is up, which way is down. All right, so we're going to do a few things. We have Sean Marion coming up. Really good interview. We also taped before PFT left

our Monday reading Hank's resume, which is all timer before we do that. We're going to go a little explain it back and forth because obviously Hank and I didn't watch the rugby sevens. PFT didn't catch the final four. So we're going to explain it to each other and riff off that and we'll start PFT with the final four. Hank, by the way, is sick. So if he complains during this, that's why he's being a little bit of a B word. I complain. Yeah, you're being a B word. If I complain. Okay, so Hank's being a little bit of B word, but PFT, we went to the game on Saturday night. First final four in history to serve booze. So shout out Minneapolis for that all time. That's very Minnesota. Oh, we got very lost inside the stadium. One of the most confusing

stadiums we've ever been to, but all time moment to have booze. And we got to our seats. We had a guy who, uh, we almost had to fight because he, he like was touching Hank a lot. And I had not he had nacho cheese all over himself and he would refuse to stop taking pictures of us. Um, like literally every time out, he'd stand up and just try to take a picture of us. So I'll just say, like Hank is a very approachable, touchable person. You just see him and you want to like just put your hand on his shoulder. So I don't really have a problem with that guy harassing him. Like that Hank, you kind of ask it for it. Yeah. The provocation. What was Hank wearing? What are we wearing? He was wearing, he was wearing an Auburn jersey with no shirt on underneath.

Yeah. Yeah. You were asking for it big time. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So first game. So the, we'll flash forward Virginia Auburn. It was actually a very, very good game and it was like essentially Auburn winning a halftime. Virginia starts to dominate in the second half. Then with five minutes left, they're up 10 points and Virginia just stopped scoring. They were like, yeah, we're done. We're only going to play 35 minutes of this game. They stopped scoring until nine seconds left, but we have two of the controversial things. You had the free throws at the end from Kyle Guy after he makes a huge corner three. And then you also have the double dribble that everyone is very mad about online right now. Yeah. And it was wild inside the arena because

we couldn't hear the whistle. So all that happened was the game, like the ball gets into the corner. Kyle Guy throws up the shot. Good call on the foul, by the way. It was definitely a foul. Bruce Pearl lost his mind, but we couldn't hear a whistle. So we just like couldn't figure out what was going on other than Bruce Pearl was losing his mind. It could have been that they wanted. He was losing his mind and everyone melted down and credits a Kyle Guy because hitting three free throws in that like situation. That's the shit you do in your like your backyard and you, and you miss two out of three and you're like, all right, redo. And you just keep doing that over and over until you get all three. He was money on all three. And Auburn, I would say that might be

the worst possible way to lose a Final Four game of all time. It's tough. Yeah, the double dribble, that was, um, that was something else. And now you're going to have like people talking about expanded review and replay and shit like that. That was a pretty obvious blown call. I just, do you remember that video game way back in the day called double dribble? Yes. It always struck me as being very strange that they named their video game after like a violation in basketball just like the most boring play ever. Double dribble. Um, but yeah, the Kyle Guy shot the the free throws were very, very clutch. He is making a hard case for the Jim Nance tie player of the year. I think if it's not Kyle Guy, I think even if UVA loses the national championship,

Jim Nance is going to find a way to get him that tie. Well, it's actually funny you bring that up because Jim Nance, it's, it's going to be difficult for Jim Nance because he usually gives it to a senior and there aren't, I don't think I think only, I think Virginia only has one senior, an Aussie Jack Salt, which is an all time name. Texas Tech has a couple big time seniors. So I feel like you're leaning towards Texas Tech with that. But yeah, the double dribble. So here's my problem with the double dribble and everyone double dribble Twitter had a meltdown. There's two things. One is, uh, Ty Jerome, he sold it so well that like everyone even in the arena, it's one of those things where no one said anything in the moment. It was afterwards that

everyone kind of caught up. He like, you know, when Chris Weber, uh, traveled it before the time out and he like looked and stopped and was like, Oh, what am I doing here? Ty Jerome did none of that. He did not miss a beat. He literally just picked up the ball and started dribbling again. And that was, I think that's why everyone, including the refs and the fans were just like, whatever, this is fine. This is fine. This is part of the rule. And the other thing was you like Auburn was trying to foul. They, they, he, they grabbed Ty Jerome as he was doubled, as the ball was going off his foot. So it's like you could have called the foul there too. And it's, it's one of those situations where everyone's going to get mad and Auburn has

every right to be mad. But at the end of the day, I mean, I, you really can't do much there, uh, because it could have been a foul call. Ty Jerome did a good job of selling it. And then the, and then the, uh, call in the corner with Kyle Guy was the correct call. So Auburn has a terrible loss. But at the end of the day, it's like, that's kind of how the, how it goes. Like you can't play sliding doors. You can't be like, you, you're now you're going to go back all the way to the first half and be like, well, this call should have gone another way and it would have changed everything. No, you're right. The, uh, the double dribble itself was probably the smoothest double dribble I've ever seen in my life. It's a good life lesson really. It's just like, if you act

like you're supposed to be there, like nothing's a problem. If you're maybe at a restaurant or inside like somebody's, uh, like a building that you're not supposed to be in, if you just act like it's totally cool, um, nine times out of 10, you'll get away with it. So just if you fuck up in life, don't look around and don't be that guy in the commercial that, uh, tells the refs that you committed a violation to give the ball to the other team. Or the guy who like wears sweatpants and purple shoes to the dog show, trying to be correct. Exactly. Well, I would, I would actually say, um, the opposite of that big gap, because I was so confident in my sweatpants look that I didn't think that I would get in trouble. It's like, Oh, if this guy's dressed like a, uh,

70 year old homeless person, then he probably is supposed to be here because no one would intentionally go on public like that. So that was the first game. So a couple of things that came out of that. We have a big mad, um, I, here's a couple of big mads I want to throw your way. Uh, let's see. The first one was, uh, that's so fucking Auburn. It's unreal. We sold our soul to the devil for the kick six in 2013. And now life is just enough success to get emotionally invested than brutal heartbreak. Awesome point because the kick six was such an insane play that I actually do believe in this where like, if you, there were enough Auburn fans that were sitting in their living room on, or on their knees in their living room

praying and being like, please God, if you give us a touchdown here, we'll never ask for anything again. And now this is what you get. Now you get the never anything again. And you get losses like this because you got the kick sex. Exactly. But I think if you were to ask Auburn fans, they would say it was extremely worth it for the kick six. Like in that moment, if you had said you returned this kick for a touchdown, you beat Alabama, but you're never going to win another national championship in any sport ever again. They would all say absolutely. Let's do it. Yes. Uh, all right. This one, this one is especially brutal because I think this happened to a decent amount of Auburn fans. This guy said was in a wedding watching on my phone

after that final three point shot. I stopped watching a game on my phone because I was so excited. Neighbor texted my wife five minutes later saying heartbreaking. I still can't come to grips. We lost. So help me. That tumors corner got the everyone rushed tumors corner. And then as they slowly figured out, there was a guy who poured a beer all over his head in the, in the student section, the Auburn student section inside the stadium went insane. And that is especially like that makes the loss even worse. The fact that people, you had that moment where you won and then it was ripped right away from you. So what did they do? Did they have to like climb up into the Oaks and take the toilet paper down? Like what's the protocol? It's prematurely roll.

Yeah, I think so. I think something is they have to, they have to, you know, you can't have toilet paper just laying there after a loss like that. Um, this person said my Auburn friend just compared this to her ex-boyfriend could get her close, but never cross the finish line. That's just mean. Come on. The refs missing that double dribble was my fire fest. That's relatable. Fire everyone's got a personal fire fest. Uh, and then the second that white guy stepped the line for the final free throw with that little smirk. I knew we were screwed. I blame all fundamental white basketball players for practicing free throws too much. Kyle guy is so funny. So much. Yes. Yes. He's very good. I don't think so when you said earlier, it's the situation you prepare

for your entire life in the backyard. I don't think that most players go through that exact scenario where they're like three free throws. Let's see if I can do it. But Kyle guy definitely grew up practicing his free throws in that exact scenario. That's like, that is the ultimate exciting peak of the game for a guy like Kyle guy. Yeah. Indiana kid probably playing on like a dirt, dirt driveway with a hoop that that's been there since 1945. All right. Last big mad. This is weird because it came from a Virginia fan. Hmm. I hope you all get carpal tunnel typing double dribble to your 17 combined followers to see plus then your hands slowly deteriorate into terrible arthritis. Plus you can't Venmo your bookie the medium sum of money you lost on

Auburn Moneyline. Plus he comes and hits them with a hammer anyway. That was from Chris Long, our friend. Yeah, very, very triggered, Chris. Very triggered. But they won. Yeah, you won, Chris. You won. He was going at he was getting into wars online last night. It was awesome to watch. Oh, by the way, PFT. Oh, you probably already know this, but Baylor just went up with three seconds left. I was about to say Baylor's up with three seconds left. Well, no, you who won Baylor wins. Okay. All right. So that's the ladies future. This is going to be awesome. You got it. All right. Next game. There's only there's only a couple of things I wrote down. Texas tax defense is insane, which it is Matt Mooney,

the white guy from Texas tech had had a third of their points. Yeah. They're like Texas defense. It really is like if you stop moving the ball for one second, they just are up your ass. They're the guy, they're the annoying guys when you're playing pick up who just full court press and they can strip anytime you lower the ball past your like chest. And it's just insane how active they are. And then here's the big thing PFT that anyone who's watching probably didn't realize very important moment inside the stadium. They showed Kirk cousins. Okay. Minnesota Vikings quarterback home crowd Michigan state had more fans in the in the in the entire stadium than anywhere else. It was the most like like like like cheers and kind of like then they show Patrick

Mahomes and the place fucking erupted. And that was like that was it right there. Interesting quarterbacks that are good and they don't clap hard for average quarterbacks are kind of lame, kind of strange. So yeah, Kirk cousins also gave the pregame speech, which was perfectly Kirk cousins. It was it didn't motivate a single person. And I honestly don't think like Michigan state like didn't lose the game as much as Texas tech was just so fucking good. Yeah. I would love to hear that Kirk cousin speeches available on the internet. Yes, I retweeted it last night. It is positively electric. You know, we'll put it in the show right here. Tomorrow night, there's going to be a moment in the game where emotion may not be going our way.

And mentally may not be going our way physically may not be going our way. Put your flag in the ground, look each other in the eye and say choose to be a tough person because tough times don't last for tough people to choose to be tough. And you guys will come out victorious. Not only tomorrow night, but the next one after that. I'm just throwing me here. And that was electric. I feel like Kirk cousins is a kind of guy that he like overnight to give himself pump up speeches. He just listens to Joel Austin podcast and he wakes up in the morning. He's like, okay, I'm ready to go again. Kurt time to make a big stack of money and not do shit again. Yeah, pretty much. So that was I mean that that game Texas tech all credit

Texas tech that their team is awesome. Michigan state like, like I said, I don't even think Michigan state like choked or anything because they actually had a nice comeback there is just Texas tech was I mean, Matt Mooney was on fire and their defense was insane. So you just kind of like you kind of put your hands up and you're like, shit, that just happens. I always think it's just really funny when when members of the media like insult the coaches to their face getting ready for the game. And that's really the storyline going into this game is that it's going to be boring, which is always that's always electric. I'm actually excited to watch how boring this game is going to be. I think Texas tech is going to win. Here's here's a little tip for CBS. They

need to do a live interview in the first half where Zion announces that he's going pro something like that or maybe have Zion. You know what they should actually do is someone should pay Zion, which is actually kind of hot in the streets right now. People paying Zion's family coach K we're watching you. And by the way, Michael Avenetti like I'm pretty sure he just makes it up. But if he makes it up about Duke, I will always take it as fact that I'm just going to admit that right now. But if they paid Zion to announce that he's staying at Duke, how about that? And just and just get everyone to tune in and be like, what how this happened? And then maybe in the second half be like, just kidding, not I'm going to the NBA and people have to keep tuning

in and be like, actually, he's going to he's going to think about it over halftime and he'll make an announcement in the second half. The double psych. Yeah, that would definitely get people to stay in tune. They should have Avenatti do a press conference from right outside the stadium, like on the steps. Yeah, that's what that's what should be going on. Because like I can't get enough of Michael Avenatti just discovering that college basketball might be dirty. That's my favorite part of this. This whole wrinkle in the timeline is that Avenatti thinks that he's breaking huge, huge news by saying that like Arizona may have paid a player. It's like, I got Google too. We all see Sean Miller's face and how much he sweats. That's a guy who pays people.

Can you imagine how much Sean Miller would sweat under FBI interrogation? Yeah, in like that room with a single light bulb, it would just he would turn into a puddle. Yeah, he would be a big puddle. He would just be a puddle of he and Bruce Pearl together could like create create its own little pond. Yeah, no, if you put Bruce Pearl and and Sean Miller into an Olympic empty swimming pool and just gave him like, I don't know, they seem like they're big Thai bow guys. If you just had them do like one Thai bow routine, the entire thing would fill up in about 30 minutes. Have them do Thai bow. And then at the end, just ask them for their call log on their cell phone and boom, yeah, and then boom, they float to the surface because there's so much

fucking salt water in there now. Alright, so that's that's the final four PFT year in Hong Kong. Like we said, give us an update. Tell us what happened in the rugby tournament. Tell us how the 16 hour flight went. Give us give it a give us all all of it. Okay, so 16 hours turns out as a long time to do anything. That's my big takeaway. Number one, I've watched four movies and I was like, this is awesome. My flight's almost over. And I looked over at the clock and I still had like 11 more hours left in a plane. So that was kind of a come to Jesus moment. Here's a fun fact. We didn't go over the Pacific Ocean. We flew north south. So I flew over the north pole, said what's up to Santa. And somehow I ended up south. So I don't know how that works if

the earth's actually round. You would think that I would have flown east west, but I don't know. I'm not a geography guy. By the way, PFT, when you were in the air, Hank and I had many laughs where you just turned to each other for the entire 16 hours and like, like PFT still got 10 hours to go. Right before we went to bed, we're like, yeah, PFT is still in the air for another five hours. We've lived the whole day and he's still in the air. Yeah, it was it was weird. I'll be honest with you. I've never sat down that long. For yeah, I think like the longest I've ever been on a plane has been like six or seven hours in the past. This was this was something else. So I'm really not looking forward to getting back on a plane and doing it all again in about five hours.

How good was that refresh when you landed PFT? It was great. The fart after I landed was an all timer. Like this was better than sex. The fart that I let out, it was he asked about the release. He asked about the Twitter refresh, but the fart sounded good. Yeah, the fart was better than the Twitter refresh. That's on that was the best part of the trip. And then I landed and saw that you guys snuck in George Kittle on Friday's part of my take. So that was nice. I listened to him. Pretty worried about my job. He's pretty good. Yeah, well, no, in his defense, he didn't hope for your death. I asked for his hottest take and his hottest take was that you were going to die. So that is quite a hot take if you have to rate it. We're in the prediction game. So I can respect

that if he's going to be on a sports podcast, he has to be able to make some bold takes. So you do you, George, but I'm a lot of bitch. So tell us the thing that we all have been waiting to hear about the rugby. We all are. Did we win? Yeah, you're very excited about this. So I'll just get started with my who's back of the week. My who's back of the week is USA rugby, because we are still in first place in the world. So we did not win. We came in. Well, we're in first overall. So we're top of the table. We're number one. Fiji's number two. Excellent showing from the lads this weekend. Very, very strong unit out there. No, we got third, but no, what's important to remember is that we're in first place though. So we finished third, got that third place in the

cup trophy bracket. And so yeah, we were still in first place domination. So so you flew 16 hours to not even see a championship game. That's a story of my life, man. You know what? It's not about it's not about the result. It's about the journey. It's about the process and had a great time. Here's why this is actually better than a first place finish because we're missing arguably our two best players. So Perry Bakers out, Danny Barrett's out. Also shout out Danny got to hang out with him yesterday at the game. So two of our best players are out and we still finished in third place. That's pretty good. That sounds like excuses to me. That's weird. No, so it's pretty I don't know why you guys don't really understand the scoring system of rugby. It's pretty easy. We went

one and two in group play. And then we went we won our first elimination game against New Zealand lost. So we ended up going I think three and three, but we finished in third place. It was great. That's that's two and three. But yeah, okay, that works. But yeah, no, that sounds like a great time. It's great. It's great that we're still in first by finishing third. That makes total sense. Who doesn't who doesn't finish third and go under 500 and still maintain first place in the game. But we won the trophy anyway, a couple of weeks at the table. Yeah, we're good at the table. Yeah, they can they can never take that cup away from us. All right, do you have any other who's backs? No, that's really my only one. I just want to say like, yeah, that's just just the one. Okay,

what Hank? Hank, you know what? Hank's in a little pissy mood today. I noticed that you're sick. You're sharing headphones with big cat. Okay, are not working out for you. Okay, reject all your negative feelings and things on me when I don't do anything. I just sit here and silence the big cat. That's that's a good segue. That's a good segue because my who's back is Hank's bad mood. So Hank is sick. He it also is who's back conspiracy theory. Hank, he's convinced that the hotel room, the hotel room itself has made him sick. The room, the colors of the wall. Here's what I know. I was in I was in perfect health and condition when I arrived on Thursday, fully rested, fully hydrated, ready to go. No, no issues whatsoever. I woke up on Friday,

sneezed maybe 35 times in a row. I've had a runny nose and I've not felt well for the last two days. Yes. So the only thing that you know, the only conclusion that you can come to is that it's the hotel room. You know, Hank, every time somebody gets sick, it has to start at some point, right? Like, people just get sick sometimes. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. Like, oh, Hank, you know what you should do? We should get Hank and that's where it started. Oh, Hank would love a netty pot. He also is the bad mood. Hank is because I kicked his ass and bowling on Saturday night and he has not been the same since he couldn't figure out how I was kicking his ass and bowling. No comment. No comment. No comment. All right. My other who's back

is I feel like we this isn't even who's back. We just need to talk about it. Paul Pierce is back and Dwayne Wade is also back because Paul Pierce said that he's better than Dwayne Wade and then the internet roast of Paul Pierce. And I have two comments on it. One is Paul Pierce made the ultimate error where Paul Pierce is the perfect guy that if he just kind of stays under the radar, everyone will say, Hey, you know who's better than the then people give him credit for Paul Pierce. But when he says he's like actively says he's better than someone, people will roast them. And then the other part of it is I'm so fucking sick of Dwayne Wade's retirement tour. Like this is a little much. It's a little much. He's this way. Like this is year three, right? He's been

tiring for three years. Yes, it's a little much. Yeah, come on. It is. It is. We get it. Dwayne Wade. Yeah, I think at the height of Paul Pierce's career, he was still like Dwayne Wade with arthritis. That was his seal. Yeah. Okay, Hank. Okay. No, I mean, he was never like he was another the fastest guy on the court. He was never going to like jam you through the mantle of the earth. He was always just like a good shooter, got good separation, like very, very good player. But once you start comparing yourself to somebody that's like so much noticeably better than you. That's why I didn't go as Thor. So this weekend is like a big costume party in Hong Kong. And one of the lights came up our school guys said, you should go address as Thor. And I was like, I can't do that because

I'm so much worse looking than the actual Thor that it'll just it'll be a huge self owned if I even try to look like him. Yeah. So that's what Paul Pierce is doing by comparing himself to Dwayne Wade. Right. And he is the perfect case of a guy that like if he just doesn't say this stuff, everyone will say, Hey, you know who's better than people said thought gave him credit for Paul Pierce. Like that's a perfect place to be in life where people say, Hey, you know, he was kind of underrated. Like we don't give him enough credit. But then when you actively try to get more credit, people will fucking just trash you. And now you've done the reverse and everyone's like Paul Pierce was overrated. Yeah, fall back, bro. Yeah. Hank, who's your who's back? My who's back the week is country trap.

Yes. So we talked about on the show on Sunday, we said we got to do something to help out Lil Nas, the kid with the Old Town Road song, help him get on Billboard. And lo and behold, it worked. He's now the number one. Our long national nightmare is over. Yeah, we did it. Thanks to us. Shout out to us. All I'm saying is we talked about on the show and now he's number one and and number three on the charts. He put out a remix with some, some country singer or whatever. I don't know how much that had to do with it. But yeah, country trap is back and it's it's going to stay around for a while. Country trap is back. All right. So let's do our, that song, by the way, is so fire. I can't stop listening to it. I can't stop listening to it. Well, they

played it. What does it mean? PFT? Oh yeah, they're playing it. What does it mean though, Hank? Everyone's talking about Lil Nas X. What is horses in the back mean? Like what is the horse? Is he talking about like his, his, his, his bitches? No. He's talking about like a ranch. He's got horses in the back. Like actual horse. The song is just actually about horses. Yes. I also, that's pretty cool too. I also keep thinking that he's taking his horses to a hotel because when you say Old Town Road really fast, I just think he's taking horses to a hotel, which is fucking cool. That'd be awesome to just take horses to a hotel. That takes on a new meaning though. Right. Take my horse to the hotel. Hotel room. Yeah, hotel room. Right.

Now it's different. Now we're talking. You're just singing Pony by Jimmy Wine. Yes. Exactly. Well, embrace debate. Embrace debate is Pony Country Trap. I think retroactively you have to say yes. I'd agree so. I would agree. All right. Let's do our interview with Sean Marion before that. A quick word from a couple of our sponsors. This interview is brought to you by Points Bet, New Jersey's premium sports book. As you know, I have been known to make a wager here and there, but we have never seen promotions like this before all tournament long. Points Bet had their Make It Rain promotion. You got $3 for every three pointer. Your team hit for every tourney game, even if your team went on to lose. And although the tournament is winding down,

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phones are for. Uh, family, friends and business. Okay. And I'm in the business phones right now. Yes. What do you have to do to cross over into the friends? I mean, uh, friend zone. I think you kind of want the business phone. Okay. So I'm good in the business. The friends when you can ignore texts. If you're like, I don't feel like business is like that's money. I really don't ignore Texas. You know, I'm not that person. Uh, you know, if you text me, I'll try to hit you back. I think it's so disrespectful when somebody sends a message to you. Now, I know everything is calling a timely matter and if you're busy, you can't respond to people or something like that. But, um, I think, uh, when you, when somebody sent you a message and you don't respond and, um,

and, uh, or in a, in a fashion will be matter, you know, I think it's kind of disrespectful. Dana White had three phones too, right? Yeah, he did. But he, he doesn't have friends. So what's the third one for? I don't know. That was his burner phone. So we're in the business. I don't take my family phone everywhere I go though. So like I, I sometimes I want, I'm doing certain things. I don't, because I know nobody calling me from my family. You always have your business phone? Yes. Okay. Perfect. So I'm in the right phone. So we are in business together. We own the breakers. No, you know, I'm not athlete anymore. I'm a, I'm a father first and I'm a business man. Yeah. So like, you know, uh, businesses all the time. How are,

how are the breakers doing? We know because we're also owners, but we want to make sure you knew how they're doing. Uh, we're doing, I think we had an okay season. I think we could have been better. I think yeah. I feel like we're going to achieve this year. I felt we had a good enough team to make the postseason this year. We did not. Yeah. Fuck. So I'm getting all this information now. Well, you know, I talked to Matt, you know what I'm saying? So, uh, I think, uh, you know, I had to represent the breakers. He made sure I had, I was going to wear a hat anyway, but he's like, make sure you wear a hat. I'm like, dude, come on now. You know, I, uh, I know about all advertising and product placement. So, but with that being said, uh,

I just feel like, um, we, uh, we should have made the postseason. I was kind of pissed off. We did. And I think we had, we said, we had such a talented team. And I feel like, you know, we, we didn't get the most out of all our plays this year. And then, uh, I think Matt ended up sliding into more of a hands on roll, like with the coaching and, and orchestrating some stuff, like a little bit over halfway through the season. He felt like he needed to step in and be around a little bit more when it comes to just the basketball side, not just the business side, which is doing great for us. Uh, as you know, yeah, of course, as we know, so, uh, you know, I got a chance to, to, to see something and it was very interesting. I watched,

I'm watching, I'm watching the, the, the kind of like the turnover right now in New Zealand, because you know, it's kind of, it's kind of a little bit behind times there, you know? And, and, uh, I, uh, I got the chance to watch the first game there this season and I got a chance to go over and watch us play in Melbourne. And, uh, you can see the, the, the night and day difference over there. You know what I'm saying? Because it's, that's the more of a basketball country to a certain, you know, we're more of a, you know, saying, uh, uh, uh, yeah. Lord of the rings. A couple little tips that I've just been bouncing around to improve the breakers a little bit. One, just try to get all the high school players to be like, Hey, come over, play professionally

in New Zealand for years. They go to college and playing for free. So you get like all the, you know, kids that want to get paid, want to wet the beak a little bit. Um, two, we should have celebrity lookalikes that are court side of the first row. So we got a dude that looks like Spike Lee. That's right there yelling at all the players. We got Drake. We got a Jack Nicholson guy that's sitting at like right next to the benches talking shit. Three, you should just play. Oh no. Why not? I'll retire for a reason. Right. But you could probably, do you think you get out there and dominate? No, no, really. I will get them guys credit. You know what I'm saying? Don't, don't, don't slack on the NBL. You know, I think, uh, them guys are professionals. You know, I'm not

saying all of them are top players, but there, there, there are some guys that can go out there and probably hold their own in the NBA. No problems at all. Do you still play like usually? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll play pick up here. Yeah. You still, how, how often, how many times a week do you dunk? Do I what dunk? Man, I ain't dunked in a minute. I might dunk once last week. I gotta be feeling really good. I got, I got to be on a lot of drugs. Yeah. Yeah. You're actually the perfect person to ask this. Is it better to be wet from three or to just dunk on somebody? Oh, I mean, it just depends. I feel like, uh, I mean, when I was playing, dunk on somebody. Yeah. Yeah. But what about real wet? Real wet from the three points.

Absolutely. All right. So I want to talk about your, you have a fascinating career because you were all over the place. You, uh, you know, one with the Mavs, you kind of revolutionized basketball with the sons, but I want to start at the beginning. McDonald's all American and then going to a division two school. What happened there? And then you go to, you obviously transfer to UNLV, but that's, I can't imagine there are many people who have had that path. So, uh, yeah, I was, I remember mentioning, I didn't play in the game. So that's the thing though. So like, I was, me and my, um, my boys was trying to, we was trying to, um, uh, dissect and see what guys that, that was actually didn't play in that Mc, McDonald high school, all American game and what kind of careers

they had and how far they go. So what year was it? I'll look it up right now. So, I mean, I'm just over overall, overall period. They didn't go, that wasn't the McDonald all American projected because McDonald Americans are playing a game or projected to be stars. So what stars are going to be? Go, go to these, go to these prominent, uh, dominant schools and they have, supposed to have luxurious careers. A lot of them don't pan out. A lot of McDonald Americans don't pan out and do nothing. You know, some of them don't even go to the pros, but, but that was the, that was the format that everybody was kind of, kind of thinking about and saying because, uh, you see, you see, you see them throwing the highlights up there all the time. And you,

they saw on your TV ESPN classics now, you know, he's showing the games and showing, showing stuff. And I was wondering, uh, but I didn't. So, you know, I went to junior college for two years and then, uh, then I transferred to UNLV for a year. And, uh, you know, I mean, I know a couple of guys, I know a few guys, quite a few guys that did go junior college route to, to the pros. Did you have offers from other division one places? I would assume. Yes. Right. Actually, I wanted to go to North Carolina. Okay. I really did. But Dean Smith retired my, after my second year in junior college. So, so he had a scholarship of Ilby, but he ended up retiring before I got there. So I was like, I'm not going. I wasn't going. So,

like, uh, I just, I like, you know, I'm going to go somewhere warm. Yes. I went West coast. Yeah. What's up with your finger? What's up with your finger? You're thinking like that. Yeah. It's like, it's one of my trademarks. It's like Booger McFarland. Have you ever thought about just getting pop back into place? You can't do that. You can't. I can, I can hold it straight. Yeah. But you can't. I have to get a pin put in in order to go back. And then, then it won't guarantee it's going to stay because, yeah, because if I'm still playing, if they ever get hit, it'll go back. Yeah. Yeah. Balloons, baby. Come on. That actually is a bad ass thing. So you go UNLV to the draft. You,

you were actually putting on staying for another year, but you end up, you know, everyone's like, I came out to college. I was, uh, I was, uh, academic, all American. Uh, I was, uh, running a player to year and player to year one. Yeah. So like, yeah, I could have came out to college. Yeah. You know, uh, but, uh, I was like, you know what? I want to go experience the one one year. Yeah. What was it like playing in Vegas? Like a lot of distractions. Actually, no, man. You know, I, um, it was, it was pretty easy actually. You know, I think, uh, when you, when you think about Vegas, think about the strip, think about casinos and all that stuff, but you know, it was pretty, it's pretty, pretty like any other school, you know,

you want to go on campus, you get to a campus life, you know, when you play a sport, you know, you, you just, you just, you, you into it. Yeah. And then once you decide on, if you're going to try to come out and go pro, that's when, that's when all the other stuff starts. Right. Fun fact about, what's the name of the, uh, basketball arena there? You know, yeah. So fun fact about that. One time we were trying to go in to see Floyd Mayweather's, uh, celebrity basketball game. Okay. We were too high and we just walked around the building like six times and we couldn't find the entrance. And they were like, no, it's across the street and under a tunnel to get inside. Did you ever have to go through that tunnel? Yes, we did, but this depends on, so they remodeled it.

So they be remodeled since I've been there. So they have an add on the backside of it as well. So they added the woman's part on as well too. So this, this, uh, they done some remodeling. It's hot out there. It was like late August. It was hot. It was really hot. It's not a good experience for us. Uh, so the sons, I, the seven seconds or less sons are one of my favorite teams of all time. Did you, when Mark Dantony or, uh, Mike Dantony showed up, were you like, what the hell? Why is he, why is he making a shoot so fast? Why is he making us run so fast? It's like, it, obviously completely kind of changed basketball today. Looks a lot like what you guys were doing and not what happened before that. Well, you know, um, it's, it's an interesting story you said

it because he was actually assistant coach then. Right. So he, he was kind of brought in kind of, you know, you know how the pattern works. Sometimes the guys brought in a sooner or later, he's going to be the coach. Right. They groom him a little bit before they want, sometimes they don't want to just give the keys to the house to him. You know what I'm saying? So let them groom him for a year or so and then, then give him keys over to the house. So, but I mean, I, uh, I love Dantony. You know, I, uh, you know, I, I, I always shot extra. He was one of the, one of the coaches I actually worked with a lot, you know, before he got the head coaching job, you know what I'm saying? Cause once you become head coaching job,

you don't really do the stuff. All the sister coaches do the stuff that you were doing before. Right. And, uh, the workout, individual workouts and shooting and stuff like that. But, uh, you know, he just, he just, he had, he had, he had a vision and he had mindset and, um, it was, it was basically a lot of it. Basically was kind of, uh, it was up to me. I guess the side, I don't know why he's like, look, I need you to play power forward basically. And I was like, really? And I, I mean, I wasn't too enthusiastic about doing it at first because, you know, I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm two, I'm two 30 and six seven, you know, the power of four at a time was the most dominant position in the league. You know,

you know, Kevin, Kevin got that Tim Duncan and everybody, it was the most dominant position in the league. So, you know, you got a small, a six, seven, 30 pounds, Kenny boy, trying to, trying to go up against these big guys, but I was like, okay, he said, we can do this and you can do this and we can, we can win. And now you would, in today's NBA, you're a center. Easy. I mean, like that's how it's kind of changed since the seven seconds or less. You're like a super max player right now. Yeah. Yeah, you would make so much money. Get damn. But that's what I'm saying. You think about the game now. Look at the evolution of the game now. How, how, how much, how, how, how much talent the, the, the bigs have now. Yes. A

lot of bigs now are bringing the ball to court. They shoot all everybody shooting threes now. So, I mean, because they think it's speeding the game up. Right. It's, it's kind of, it's kind of interesting when you sit there and you just look at it and like, damn, look, look how good and not now the most dominant position in the league is the point guard, right? The guards, the guards are the most dominant by far, but, but the bigs are, are so talented now. And it's just like, man, you know, it's like, wow, you know, you know, you can't, you can't, you can't deny them. Do you ever think about how like you guys kind of started that? Cause it was a, you know, that was, you know, I'm thinking about the Pistons

versus Lakers final, which was terrible. And the games were in the, played in the 70s and 80s. And then, you know, physical game, man, you, but you guys come along and start playing super fast, maybe not a lot of defense. That must've been fun, by the way. But we did play defense. That's a, that's a sad, a little bit. They got overshadowed because we were scoring so much. Okay. That's a good way to score. We scored and it's going, it's just like it's going to stake right now. Yeah. So they go on scoring runs that, that's crazy.

You guys did. Yeah. No, I don't think so. I mean, Steve Nash, I mean, come on. I mean, okay. No, you can, you can, you can compare and contrast all your own. You play defense. I mean, we all play defense. Amar play defense. We all play defense. I think it, especially some guys, horrible individual defenders, but great team defenders. Yeah. I mean, explain that.

That's another great way to explain it. Yeah. No, explain that because I actually love that point. That's a different, a different mindset though. Like, you know, just, just take Steve. Steve was a great, um, own, he wasn't the best, best on-ball defender, but he's a great team defender. So he knew exactly what our concepts was and how to help make it easier for, for, for our, our team to, to help him guard. Because it's like, it's like me guarding our, our, most of philosophies

when it comes to a good defense and the difference of teams, the mindset is, I'm going to guard my man and half of your man. Okay. So that means you automatically got another man guarding you. Cause if you're guarding your man and half of your man now, so it equals another man. So we, you got help. Right. And you, you get, you get, you develop that trust.

And that's how you become solid in defense. And when we got stopped, we needed to, we had, we had good enough defenders that, you know what I'm saying? Was able to, you know what I'm saying? Do a lot of different things. And of course there's ways you can hide guys, you know what I'm saying? And especially when you got, uh, uh, a guy who's probably not a big score and they don't get a ball to him might.

So you probably try to put a lesser defender on him. And especially if he's a, if he's a main guy that scores a lot and do a lot of things on the offensive end, well, you can hide him on there. You know, they see a lot of teams doing it. You know, uh, James Harden does a lot right now because he's extending so much energy on defense that he's not guarding. He's not guarding his position or our main score because it's just too much, too much on him.

Right. You guys played in a couple of my favorite NBA playoffs series of all times, the ones that gets the spurs when he was sunspers. And I remember distinctly that when Robert O'Reilly like hip-checked Steve Nash, into the bench, it was almost like blows. Like it was almost like a full on brawl at that point. I mean, it was, it was, uh, it was, it was a hard file. And, uh, you know, it was messed up how, how it happened. But, you know, um, everybody, so everybody speculated,

thinking that was a year we should have won the championship, went to the finals and won the championship. I don't, if you know what I mean, what year was the team better? The year after that. Okay. We, we lost in this, we went, we went first. We went seven games against the Lakers. We had swept the Lakers for the regular season, but we,

we lost the last game of the season because we wanted to play them. In the, in the, in the first round. And I was like, we ended up going and Kobe, we ended up going seven games. We won seven games against them, but then we went seven games against the Clippers that year. They was really good with Sam Cassell, uh, uh, Elton Brand, Chris Cayman and them. And then we ended up losing six games against Dallas. And the only reason we lost, I would say we, I was, that was, that was the tires

I ever been throughout my career. I was physically mentally drained because, because I was going from Sam Cassell to Elton Brand. This came in from Kobe to Lamar to Ron Tess, you know, to, to all these different guys. Then I had to go against Dirk and then I, man, my body, I was shut. I was tired. I was dead tired and we didn't use our bench at all.

We was playing so many minutes dude. Like it was, it was nuts. Like just fascinating to me that you elected to take on Kobe and the Lakers in the first round of playoffs. Yeah. That's what a lot of teams do that. You know, I mean, let me be honest with you. They try to, they think the matchup is better.

The thing we, we, we beat them three times this year. We're going to lose the four and we, if we lose this game, we can, they try to, they try to match, they try to match up against a team that they can guarantee win it. They don't guarantee the postseason. You just don't know injuries happen, things happen. And, and, and even though you play the same team, it's hard to be a team, you know what I'm saying, seven times.

Right. People, I think all the, all the, um, major league sports, you know, NBA Championship is probably one of the hardest ones to win. Yeah. Because the adjustments that come to the game are insane. Yeah. Yeah. Was it, was it more tiring to play that style of basketball that you played on the

Sons or was it more fun because, you know, you get the ball down court, you shoot it quick and then just get back? I mean, I think, uh, I mean, all of it's miles on your body, man, regardless of how you're doing it. You know, but, you know, for me, it was, it was, it was double because I had big, big bigger guys leaning on me. You know, I think people won't understand the physical aspects of the game there. When you have to guard a bigger guy, it wears and tears on you.

Yeah. It slowly, it slowly but surely will break you down. And, uh, but, you know, I was able to use my quickness and my athleticism to a certain degree and, uh, you know, I mean, I held my own against all those big guys, very strong. But at the end of the day, sooner or later, you know, you do, you do break down. People don't understand it. Game of basketball.

You know, we, we are, we like my, uh, my agent, rest in peace, Dan Fagan, uh, he loved his terminology. He loved to say, you know, you're like a, you're like a car. Sooner or later, the, the starter might stop working. The brakes go out. You know what I'm saying? You get a flat tire, you know? So like, athletes are like, you know, cars, sooner or later, you're going to break down.

Right. And, you know, you can get, you can get it fixed. You know what I'm saying? You know, you get a little fixed, but, you know, once you get it fixed, sometimes it never going to never start, start off the same way. It quite started when you had it brand new. You know what I'm saying? Right.

So sooner or later, you break down. What would you do later in your career to get it fixed up? Like what would you do to? Well, I try to maintain as much as I can. Uh, you know, I, uh, instead of me, uh, you know, saying, taking the longer break off in the season, you have to, the older you get, you have to, you have to continually stay in shape. You can't really get out of shape because it's that much harder to get your body going

and getting in shape. You know, uh, but you know, you still got to, you got to learn to how you, how you're doing, what you do exactly. But I mean, listen, you know, uh, everybody is different to a certain degree. And, uh, you know, I knew what I need to do to keep myself in shape and in tune. So I just try to, to, to follow my regiment and keep, keep at it. Did you ever think that, uh, you were able to get, you were able to score more in the NBA?

Cause everyone was like, man, this guy can't shoot the way his shot goes. So fucking ugly. Not at all. That's funny. I mean, it's the best way. Every time you made a shot, I was like, holy shit. It's the best one ever. I would beat the shit out of everybody.

You know what I'm saying? I mean, I will bust everybody. Did anyone try to fix your shot? Never. I mean, it worked. So there's no real fixing. It just looked ugly. You're like the Jim Furek of basketball.

He's unorthodox, but you can shoot the lights out. So, but you never had a coach that thought that he was smarter than you that was like, okay, bring your elbow in. Yeah. Balance eyes, elbow follow through. Hell no. You know why? Cause they couldn't shoot either.

The fuck you gonna tell me what to do? But look, you know, it was funny though. It was really funny though. Like, can you name me two guys in the league that actually should just say? Yeah, probably not. You're right. Never. Everyone's got their own little quirks and intricacies in every fingerprint.

Yeah. I mean, LeBron doesn't even shoot the same free throws over from fucking one free throw to the next. He does a different thing. But the fact is that everybody got this, this image of a picture perfect jump shot. But like, it's not yours. It's not yours. That's true. Who's not?

As long as it works. If it don't broke, don't fix it. It's true. It's not broke. Don't fix it. Who is the most difficult big man that you were ever asked to guard? For full game, probably. I mean, I mean, all of them was hard though.

I mean, And like different ways of like, obviously, Dirk guarding him was different. Well, Dirk a little different because Dirk don't really don't really post up. Dirk, I had to, I had to make him, I had to make him feel uncomfortable. You know, that's my, that's my guy, you know what I'm saying? And I try to, to run him too, because I was faster than he was. But once he got the ball, he got to this sweet spot. And that custom fade away.

I could, there's no way I'm blocking it. Nobody can guard that. No, I'm not blocking it. So I just had to make him a little uncomfortable as all balance as possible and not let him get into a groove. But it's hard. Like you said, you know, I mean, he does have a height advantage on me. So like, I mean, like, who would win one-on-one?

You guys used to play one-on-one all the time. Oh, we had some, I mean, and during the final championship year, yeah, we played one-on-one. It was a great game. Who would win? I mean, we both won. That sounds like Dirk. Who would win more?

That sounds like Dirk. No, no. Sounded like Dirk. If you played 10 times, who would win the majority of the time? No, I think we was by half and half. That's, yeah, that's the way. Why is that? Because there's, if you won more, you would say, I won.

You would say, I kicked his ass. Yeah, and if you, because you lost, you're like, I'm keeping the 100. You asked a, you asked a limited question. Okay, you played 100 times, it's 50-50. No, we didn't play that much. We only played in the postseason. Okay. And we didn't play because it was certain matchups that we needed to do.

And we ain't going that much because we got a long season. Yeah. That's too much work. Okay. We exerting more energy in the games than you do like that. But no, we spent a lot of time, but when we played, when we, especially when we started playing teams that he may have to match up on a small forward, that's when we played one-on-one.

And, you know, it helped, it helped to get him. Because Dirk was actually a great defender for us in the championship run. Yeah. People like, you know, don't, ah, he ain't, but like I said, that's not all about individual defense, but team defense, he was amazing. Did you ever learn any, any German to talk shit to him when you were playing? No, he, he'll say something occasionally, but like, no, Dirk is a comedian himself though, man.

You know, he's a, he's a great guy, man. And, you know, uh, we guys saw, got, uh, he, he, he just, he awesome, man. I'll go more kinds of, he's an awesome guy. That championship run, uh, with the Mavs and that NBA finals, you, you basically shut down LeBron. And I, I wanted to talk about that game for that somehow people just kind of forget, but I'm going to throw it out there. LeBron had eight points, eight points in that game for, did you feel it?

That he was like not part of the game, that he wasn't into the game, because he was basically eliminated in that game. And you did hold them. I, I wrote it down 20, 24 points, 20 points, 17, eight, 17, 21. I mean, that's LeBron at, at right at the height of his powers, scoring less than 25 points a game. So, and you're playing them one on one. So look, you know, you did that, you should actually go back and watch the

game and actually, how many, how many, actually, ask yourself how many minutes to actually go out LeBron. Okay, don't do this. Please just tell us that you shut down LeBron. You're the LeBron stopper. Don't do this. No, I'm, I'm going to give my, my guys credit because that was a team championship and I'm going to tell you why I'm, I'm just going to tell you.

So the first two games in series, I was, I was guarding LeBron heavily pretty much, you know what I'm saying? 24 and 20 points. That's pretty damn good. So, uh, me, first two, but it was, it was all, it was between me, Deshaun, Stevenson, and J-Kid to a certain degree. But I went to garden D-Way more after that. I think it was more actually the, more of some of the second game

going into the third game because, uh, D-Way had a post-up game and he was able to post up our guards with no problem. Okay. So I went to garden him more and everybody else guarded LeBron. Okay. But so, so like, so I started on him, but I didn't, I wouldn't know him long. Could you sense though, like, because this is obviously LeBron before he wins a championship and the narrative was he can't win the big one

and all that bullshit. Could you sense that there was a little doubt in his eye, especially a game, I mean, the fact he scored eight points in a finals game, I would imagine that he wasn't locked in the LeBron that you've seen in the last five years. I mean, uh, we had a great game plan, man. You know, we knew, we knew, we knew exactly what, you know, all everybody do scouting reports.

You know what the scouting reports are. You know, we know what tendencies are and what guys like to do, don't do from everybody in the league. We get those. We got, they got all these plus minus and shit. Yeah. It's like, look, they tell you exactly if somebody is going right, uh, 75% of the time or if they're going and what the percentage is,

they're going left 80 or 75% of the time. They tell you what exactly percentages are. So if he going left, he going to, he going to do this over, over nine out of 10 times. If he going right, he going to do this nine out of 10 times. So what? We're going to force it to where we want him to go. Right.

Based off of that. And then over a full season or two years or whatever they, how the research they do on that stuff, it's pretty accurate. Right. So you get that guy doing what you want to do and you understand that. And that's the thing about being a veteran team. We know our game plan. We know our principles.

Coach, coaching them. We had a coach on the court and a coach off the court. J.K. was our own on the court courts and Carlisle was our coach off the court. The subbing and stuff he did that was so immaculant and how they do it and how we prepare for every team we played against you. Like, man, we could have beaten you by that year. Were you guys mad that LeBron made fun of Dirk for having the flu? I don't even care about that shit.

Yeah. A little bit. No. That was kind of fucked up. Yeah. I mean, listen to it. You know, everybody got shits and giggles all over the place. You just blow stuff out of proportion too much like the media?

Oh, all the time. Yeah. The cramped games that he had, you remember that? I think, I think, I think sometimes y'all, we, y'all sugarcoat stuff and every, y'all know the truth. So y'all try to come up with y'all truth. Yeah. You know, and that's a lot of fun.

But for the most part, I try to keep it 100 though. I'm always been on 100 guy. You know, you actually, I try to tell you the exact 100. That's all I've been when I do interviews from games for my whole career. I'm like, that's how I feel. You know what I'm saying? You can like it. You don't like it.

You know what I'm saying? I'm me. You know what I'm saying? I'm not changing for just because of TVs or cameras in front of me. I don't do shit for no attention. I'm doing it because of who I am. So keep it 100. Is LeBron a bad teammate?

No. But now keep it 80. I'm being like, you know, there's certain things about a lot of plays. I don't like and then there's certain things. I mean, I do like, but he's not a bad teammate. Yeah. Did he ever try to make you read a book? No, no.

He never had like team book day where he ended up books. He's like, read the Godfather. I'm reading it. There are a lot of life lessons you can take out of this. No, that, that, that came, that was before some other shit. He wasn't doing that when I was in Cleveland. What cities, besides obviously LA and Miami, what cities should we look out for when guys are on the road and we like, all right, they probably had a late night

you can bet against them. I mean, listen, I mean, all furthest aside, only cities that really don't have a nightlife is what's, but you can find something. You really want to find something. You can find something. You can find something. But like Milwaukee in Utah. I mean, Milwaukee's 45 minutes away from Chicago.

Yeah. Oklahoma City, maybe. Oh, I mean, you know what? I went out, I did go out in Oklahoma, but I went to a strip club in Oklahoma. And it was kind of, I'll be, I'll give you the 100. I found a strip club out there. What cities, like, you know that if you're, like, was Dallas that city where the team coming into the city, you knew that they probably went out and they probably went out

hard. So if they're there for two nights, yes. Yeah. But a lot of times, if they come in on the back to back, if you're going out on the back to back, you're thirsty as hell. Super thirsty. But now look, you don't have to go out now. Everybody, I think there's an article came out last year.

Yes. There's an article came out last year saying guys don't have to go out no more. Everybody's on social media. They just come to your hotel. You don't have to go to Jaguars until three o'clock in the morning. Yeah, look at you, look at you, look at you. Do you know about, you ever been to the breakfast buffet at Jaguars? No.

It's terrible. It's awful food. Awful food. It's a good point though. It's a great scenery. I mean, I went there a long time ago. I went there once. Did you notice when you were playing in Miami, teams that would come in and be like,

yo, you guys, you guys were at live all night last night? Oh yeah, we could tell. But, you know, sometimes, you know, it just depends on what guys are out. The real good, good guys, the pros are probably not out. Especially, you know, it's a game that counts for the regular season and regular, you know what I'm saying, for the schedule and stuff. You know, I think a lot of the vets keep track of that stuff like that. And like you said, though, it depends on some guys be searching for their attention.

So that's when they, you know what I'm saying, that's what happens. Yeah. How many games in a regular season would you say like guys are giving max, max effort? I mean, you know, honestly, you know, the season is so long, man. It's too hard to go just to give it, you know what I'm saying? Like all out playoff level. Like, yeah, yeah, it's too hard. You know what I mean?

But I mean, I played hard every time I went on the floor. So like I just took it like, you know what I mean? You just don't know, you know what I mean? I don't play that game. So I feel like when you give yourself a chance to go out and play hard, you always give yourself a chance to do good, you know what I'm saying? And I'll give yourself and give your team a chance to win. But I mean, most of the time, I don't think guys out there have not to go hard.

I think it's just more of so. It's just because it's so many games. You get tired. You get mentally tired. Load management. Yeah, you get mentally tired sometimes. And you know, you know, there's going to be some games you might don't have. You know, you might not be that alert.

But you've given you playing hard, but it just seemed like you just. You're not locked in. Yeah, just not. You're high. You're stoned. Yeah, I hope not. I actually think the NBA does a good job in terms of their marijuana policy. I don't actually know what it is, but I'm just going to say that like there's

there's a problem in the NFL. The only problem they have with marijuana tests being flagged up is like, it makes the league look bad when you used to spend a player for smoking weed. Nobody would give a shit if all the players are smoking weed all the time. We only know about it because you used to spend them. Well, I've never heard of an NBA player getting. Let me ask you this question. You think is everybody was smoking all the time?

You think you're the game wouldn't suffer? Yeah. God's being out there. Yeah. Yeah. If they're smoking before NFL, I think there are definitely some players that. You know, they're like at least 90s NBA. I mean, I wouldn't doubt it.

I mean, I'm pretty sure God's doing good drugs before the game. Yeah. No, I'm going to do that. You know, that Advil was my drug. There you go. Yeah. It tastes really good. Advil had Advil last weekend.

Yeah. Yeah. It tastes like candy. I wanted to have more, but I was like, no, no, you have to use medicine. Man, three dolls war keep me awake in the last 48 minutes. Real party guy. Are you mad at all that you got the nickname matrix and then they made three of them and they just got worse and worse as they went along?

I love the matrix movie. I think even the third one sucked, dude. Awesome. You suck. Oh, but I'm saying like that's your name. Like the first one's awesome. So I get the nickname. Yeah.

First one came out. I got the nickname. Right. My first year ever coming into the game. That seems crazy. Great nickname. Who gave it to you? Kenny Smith.

Kenny Smith gave it to you. Yeah. And then the second one comes out. It's okay. It was good. I've never seen it in the movie theaters. Yeah. Third one comes out sucked.

And you're still named a matrix. That's your preference though. So listen up, man. I'm going to ask you this question. They don't make three movies of any series if they suck. They could. Not typical. They don't.

No, you're not totally wrong on that. They don't put money in movies like that. It's for them to suck. If they're there, all that stuff is predicated on numbers. Not by the three. That sucked. But they made it three though.

Yeah. Two was good enough. Two was good enough for them to make up. The third one always sucks. What about let the weapon three? What did you think sucked? Let the weapon three. What did they make like ten of them?

This was good. Now you can't lie. Yes, it was good. The first three Star Wars were bad, right? I don't know. I never saw them. I never saw Star Wars. No, I like Star Wars.

Star Wars was good. You do? Yes. Nerd. Wow, man. Dumped in the NBA. Oh, wow. I'm checking out your t-shirt over there.

Yeah, so this is a breaker shirt. Yeah, I don't have that one. Yeah, this is a brand new one. Well, actually, we might have one out there. We made this for the shooting down in Christchurch. So the money is going to two charities. That's the one. Okay, that's the shirt you made for that.

Yeah, so through the breakers, Maddie helped me out with this. So yeah, we'll get you one of these if you want one. So when you did play with Cleveland and LeBron, what was it like? Were you in LeBron's little inner circle? Did you ever get in? Yeah, that's the circle.

Yeah. You were in? Yeah. I don't know if you were in. You didn't hesitate. No, I didn't hesitate. Like, did you get on? Like, was he?

I didn't. You ever? That's so fucked up. You said shit like that, though. Let me ask you this. Were you ever in a picture out to dinner where LeBron used the captioned law familiar? He didn't do those pictures.

You were never in. You were never in the inner circle. So that, so fortunately, those pictures never happened when I was in Cleveland. Oh, really? Yeah. That was before his taking pictures? That was the next year.

Keeping people in and out of the circle? We're following you. Kevin Love. What's he like as a teammate? We joke around a lot about LeBron. I actually think LeBron's the greatest player of all time. Yeah, I think he's a great teammate. I think it's, but certain things about,

it's the difference between being off the court teammate and on the court teammate, though. So I feel like, you know, in court, though, like one of the things I mean, I'm just going to be real candid and honest, though. I think he shows his teammates up a little bit too much on the court, you know, and, you know, that's just part of him.

I mean, you know, he kind of feel like he earned that. And I mean, that's him, you know, and I can't, I mean, look, the dude is what he is. You know, I love Ron James. He owns the NBA. He's basically owned the NBA. Yeah, but that's one of the things I don't like he does, you know what I'm saying?

But for the most part, man, what can you say? The guy is, you know what I'm saying, out here doing, doing some amazing things on his court. Is he a hard worker? Like when it comes to putting in the midst of practice? Oh yeah, he can work out. Yes, he is. He's going to get in the gym.

Did you ever take a wine bath with Tamara Stottemire? No. Do you ever think about it? Never. He ever invites you over? And he's just sitting in a fucking like tub of Merlot? He's like, Sean, hop in. He just got into the wine a couple,

the last couple of years. No, but those pictures are just, they're ridiculous of Stottemire. He's got, it probably takes like 30 bottles of wine to fill up that tub. Yeah. Oh, you know, he has his own wine over now. I know Israel.

So like, you know, listen, I mean, he's doing good things over here. I like it. I like that. Drink of Mari's tub wine. Yeah. It's like, you know, smart. Yeah.

What do you think? Do you think the NBA has a wine problem? All these guys are drinking a lot of wine. No, I love wine. So, hey, why not? Yeah, I guess. I mean, yeah, it just seems like LeBron's doing bad for the kids, you know, like everyone's drinking wine

all the time. He's giving his kids wine. Yeah. You ever see him like fill up his kids like sippy cup with a little Chardonnay or something like that? Never. I ain't never seen it, but anything is possible. What were you doing in Toronto this past weekend?

I did, it was cool. I did appearance with this little charity that they raised money for, for this hospital there that it basically, it helps. I can't think of a name for it right now. It comes to me in a little bit, but they raised money because they already got free healthcare there, but that healthcare only covers so much.

So, this hospital that they're raising money for covers everything else. Okay. And they broke down the scenario, how they deal with it. It was a great turnout, dude. They had a lot of people. There was a lot of retired players there that came in and it was cool.

It was fun. What does that extra pass feel like? That must be the best feeling in all of basketball because that was the seven seconds or less. Sun's like the whole mantra is it's easier to make a quick, you know, an extra pass, get someone. It was that much more of a wide open shot. I mean, yeah, because if you run the floor,

so everything was on, we did that. There was predicated on the wings running the floor and Mari ran it on the scenario court. Mari ran it, ran them around. Yep. I trail for the trail three and Joe and Q were running the corners hard. So, when they did that, put so much pressure,

the defenses is already sagged there. So, either in the end, if I come in and say drag, a lot of times, there is no help. So, it's going to be a wide open three. And if they suck to make, they rotate to me, I'm kicking it to the corner. That extra pass though, that's, I mean, the Golden State, when you're talking about Golden State basketball,

that's them making the extra pass. It is sweet. Someone has an open shot and then they make that extra, extra pass for a wide open. So, we did some of the stuff they did kind of somewhat, but they took it to another level. Like we were, you know, Steve was the head of our snake. You know what I'm saying?

So, we did a lot of probing, you know what I'm saying? Driven around and I did a pick and rolls with Mari and if they tagged him, he just filled the corner for three. It was just quick and simple hit, a lot of quick hitters. Yes, you see Steph do the baseline stuff like that. But now they running, they running though. So, now they put movement in it. They added, they took it to another level from where we started.

It helps that they have two of the best three-point shooters of all time. Yeah, but that whole, the whole, I mean, mindset of, you know, anybody can be a point guard, mentality, and Mari can make a pass from pop, from pop, the same system. I mean, it just makes the game that much easier. Did you ever tell Steve Nash, hey man, just cut your hair?

No. Yeah. And he had that mop up there for a couple of years. It looked like he would get in his eyes all the time. It was greasy and... He kept doing this. Yeah. Were you ever nervous that he was actually injured

when he would just go lay down with all the heating pads and the, on the baseline? No, he had a tight back. His back used to get tight open a lot, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, he got that, he actually got that fixed though. Our training staff out there was amazing, you know? Aaron and Mike, they did a great job out there. You guys were known for that.

That was like a big thing that got free agents, you know, like, hey, go to Phoenix and you play a little bit longer. Listen. Interesting. Grant came out there, he was having problems with the ankle, man, he played, man, he came out there and played some great years out there and was able to continue with it going to LA. Then, you know, Shack came out there, hurt.

Got him right there back on the court. And they got some listeners. You know, it's a few other teams that actually do a lot of stuff with them. And that's, the company back then was called National Academy of Sports Spans and NASM. Now, Mike Clark, the owner, Fusionetics. I'm shouting them out.

Yeah, Fusionetics, awesome stuff. Awesome stuff, man. Did you cross passes to Shack or no? Were you on the same team? No, no, no. I never played with Shack. You know what I'm saying? We swaps.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We swaps like all teams. Miami, Cleveland, Phoenix. We swaps. Yeah, we swaps. All right. My last question, C-Geek question, put in promo code, take you at $10 off your C-Geek purchase.

Do you ever pull up old highlights and just watch yourself and like, damn, I was really good? I have. People send me stuff too. Good. All right. Yeah, I know. I feel like that's something that most athletes do,

but probably don't want to talk about. No, I look at some stuff. I'm like, man, what? You got to start doing. Boozer puts up mixtapes of himself on his Instagram. And he's always like, shout out this guy who made it for me. But it's probably himself. So that's what you need to start doing.

Be like, damn, I was good. I ain't got time to do all that, though. We'll make them for you. OK. And then you put them up and be like, shout out to part of my take for making this mixtape. I'll do that. No problem.

Yeah, hold that. Yeah, right. Hold that. I'll do that. No problem. So you do watch yourself, though, and you're like, damn, that was awesome. Oh, I'll look at some highlights, though.

Yeah, I definitely know who I'm not. You know? What's your favorite play that you've ever made? Ooh. Oh, ooh. Let me see. Do you have any game winners in the NBA? Yeah, I got to do, I think four or five.

OK. That's got to be the best feeling in the world. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How long does that last? I always wondered, like, you hit a game winner. Are you still buzzing for, like, four hours after? Two hours? Like, what is it like in the locker room instantly right

after? I mean, depending on what year it was, shit, I probably wouldn't grab me a couple beers right after. Yeah, right. That was one of the things people know I got used to. Because a lot of people don't know this, though. Like, I had a situation in my rookie season.

And my first trip to Miami ever, man, I got wasted. And, man, my vets had me drinking Gold Slogger. You know what that is? Yeah, oh, yeah. So you know what that is. So I was hungover for two days. Coach Skals, because I remember this guy, I was like, y'all can't take the rook out no more.

So he's like, he can't handle that shit. And I was like, OK, OK. So, like, I mean, I played, you could just tell I was drunk. You know what I'm saying? It was just that, because it's really aggressive and strong drink, and I had never had it before. So, and it was a late night, too. And I don't know how much I drunk, but I was toe up.

But it happens part of it. You know what I said, it happens. But after that, I made a pledge. Never, I stopped drinking during the season. Really? Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome.

I just assume it might. But then it really changed once I got my second deal. And I got around more vets, older vets, older guys. You learn how to handle it a little bit? Learn how to handle it. Yeah, you learn how to handle it. You learn how to say manage it well. So I have a couple beers after the game.

Cold ones, it's part of it. Yeah, just a couple of drinks. I'm burning it off before I get to the hotel. You know what I'm saying? So before we give them a five on, burn off two beers already before I got to the hotel. You lost 81.78. You played 18 minutes.

You were 0 for 7 from the field. That game in Miami, your rookie year. Was it? You were 0 for 7 from the field. You did get eight rebounds. That's decent. Hey. The ball just bounced to yourself.

0 for 7 from the field. That's hilarious. Did we win that game? You lost that game 81.78. I just looked it up. Let's fucking play it. You played 18 minutes. Kyle's probably like, fuck this.

Oh, the rook is drunk. Get him out. Get the rook is drunk. Yeah, because that's the last minutes that you played. You were playing a lot more minutes that part of your season. Then all of a sudden, you got 18 minutes.

I think I got hurt right through that, too, though. That's funny. That's really funny. I think I went down for like 30 games. So wait, are you still working? Are you working in some capacity for the Mavericks right now? Yes, I am an ambassador with the Mavericks and with the NBA. That sounds like an awesome job.

Yeah, it's cool. It's like the Scotty Pippin job. You just can't get a check for sitting sideline, right? So just give Scotty Pippin a check. Just to show you. Yeah, me and Cuban, I talked to him all the time. That's my guy. And they got some great things going on down

with the organization, man. You know, I go out there, make some appearances, talk to some kids, and some coaches and stuff, man. This is cool. And it's kind of at your leisure to a certain degree. And it's a cool gig, man. I think it's ways to stay around the game and be involved. And it's cool.

I get to be around the team all the time. Sounds like a great job. It's cool. It's cool. Yeah, that's awesome. All right, Sean, this was fun, man. Appreciate you stopping by. Thanks, guys.

Great doing business with you, with the breakers. You work with us. And yeah. Oh, you work with me. No, you work with us. You work for us. I don't know, actually. We actually never signed anything.

We were told that we are the owners of the team. You're a co-owner. Yeah, you're a co-owner, which is nice. So I guess for you. We bring the cash in. Are you sure? Yeah. Yeah.

How many followers is your Twitter, bro? Is your logo on the jersey? What? Who bank accounts bigger? You don't know? We get paid $90,000 a show. OK. Who's bank account?

I think I'm still listening a lot. Who's bank account bigger in New Zealand? Mine. You have a bank account in New Zealand? No. No? Why? I don't know.

So we're on evens playing ground right here now. Sean, Mary, Matrix, The Tricks, thank you. Oh, Hall of Fame. Are you giving me the Hall of Fame next year? I hope so. I think so. I think that's it, right? Hey.

Yeah, I think next year is the Hall of Fame here. Who's giving your speech if you get in? Mm, great question. I'll probably give my man Jake here. Yeah? Yeah. Can I give you one last assist? Yeah.

I like it. Nice. That's a solid one. In the intro. Jake, maybe have him spill a drink. Where is he coming up? So you can make your speech last a little longer? Why not?

Why not give me a drink while I'm here? Yeah, there you go. Exactly. All right, Sean. Thank you so much. Thanks, guys. That was fun. What's up?

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Not, I'm not trying to say it just to, but yeah, you have another 16-hour flight. There was a long article about the demise of the Packers, Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers. It was pretty much that Aaron Rodgers is like a salty ass bitch. And he said there was quotes, not a natural born leader. He'll throw you in the doghouse, not accountable, doesn't address problems, hypersensitive.

He never takes the blame. It's always the receiver's fault. Also, there might have been like a little piece about how Mike McCarthy was just getting massages all the time and didn't give a fuck. But that that was that was like little minor shit. It was pretty much just Aaron Rodgers, a bad teammate. Yeah, he has bitched like tendencies sometimes.

I think it's a very easy PR 101 for Aaron Rodgers. And it's you just pay Chris Conti to play on whatever team you're playing against that weekend. Yeah, problem solved. Yeah, I mean, to be totally honest, I read this article and it was like porn for me. I was like, I had to stop and really savor it. Like, oh, my God, I was the verbal meme, Antonio Banderas,

like going back on his computer and giving that nice smile. That was me reading the entire article. But the entire time I was reading it, I was like, these guys were so dysfunctional and it was such a shit show. And they still kick the shit out of the bears every year. You know what? Now things. So the narrative started to change on Aaron Rodgers.

Every time you talk about how great he is, you are now contractually obligated to say, but he's only won the one Super Bowl. But that's part of that's part of Aaron Rodgers his name right now. It's yeah, he's great, but you just won the one Super Bowl. And turns out that like, I don't think that any coach would be able to really get along well with Aaron.

I think Aaron, best case for Aaron Rodgers is he just tolerates you as his head coach. Right. And it's going to be interesting because I feel like this might be a wake-up call. Like, hey, this could be your legacy, the guy who couldn't get along with teammates and everything, even though if you read the article, being totally honest, it was clear that it was dysfunction all around.

It wasn't fully Aaron Rodgers. I think he's probably difficult to be around sometimes. But Mike McCarthy sounded like a pretty big dunce. And, you know, the management sounded pretty stupid. But it's going to be interesting to see what happens going forward because Aaron Rodgers now, he's got maybe the coach killer tag, even though he only killed one coach in like 15 years,

but still coach killer. He's attempted murder several coaches though. Yes. Yes. He's escalating to coach killer. It's like serial killers, you know, when they're young kids, they like do stuff with animals and stuff. Aaron Rodgers is like escalate.

He's working his way up there. And so if he doesn't cut these out right now, I could see him getting a few more fired before the end of his career. Next up, we have Way to Stay Relevant Baseball. Yasiel Puig just tried to fight the entire Pittsburgh Pirates team, and it was the coolest picture ever,

Way to Stay Relevant Baseball. He did a good job here. Yeah. It was a great picture. Puig is looking chunky. He is that guy. He is so thick right now. God damn. Yes, he is.

That single picture though, that's a smart way to get people buzzing about baseballs. Have it look like a scene from The Gladiator. And, you know, we can't share videos online, so at least we can have pictures. And maybe in tomorrow's paper, we'll read about it and it'll be cool. Yeah. This is the fight that happens

every single year about, I think it happens on the same day every year in baseball. Like you start to forget that the games are going on. It's like the week after opening day. Nobody really cares that much until, you know, after the NBA and NHL playoffs are over. And so they have the one fight that gets people talking. Yes, exactly.

All right. Next up, we have a shoe roast for the Jets New Jersey. So those were unveiled on Thursday night. And you start, PFT. What are your initial reactions from it? My initial reactions are it's like a JV version of the Eagles jerseys, the Kelly Greens. That's what it looked like to me.

Also, you don't need to do a full jersey unveiling. Just give me the color rush. That's all I want to know. Yes. What is the color rush like this year? The color rush and also Jersey Twitter is so fucking funny. Because everyone like at the end of the day, when you think about sports fans and we are sports fans

and we are like, you know, this whole entire show is essentially a satirization of ourselves. Because at the end of the day, we're like inner meatballs. I love the idea that we're sitting there judging fashion while I'm dressed in like a Taz Tasmanian devil T-shirt. And like jeans that I haven't washed in three weeks. I'm like, the fucking the piping on the shoulder here is so stupid. Like I can't believe they did this.

The lettering is it doesn't pop. How could you do a black outlines like bro, look at yourself. You still wear like, you know, shirts that you should be there like a middle schooler wears and you're judging fashion. Yeah, I woke up this morning and I put on shorts that I purchased because they had built-in underwear. And I'm pissed off about the font on the side of the jet sleeve. It's so perfect.

It's fucking whatever. There's a new jersey on Twitter. It's so funny because the people, the people who have terrible fashion and the people who are most vocal about how bad they look, it's just one big circle, the Venn diagram. And we're all just like on our high horse. And then you look in the mirror and you're like, yeah, wait, did you just really spend two hours critiquing the fashion of the jets uniform?

Yeah, also, I mean, the jets should almost come out with new shittier versions of their uniform every single year because that that goes right along with the state of the franchise. And it's probably if you can get them, if you gave the people talking about how bad your uniforms are, that's a great distraction for the jets. Like that you will take that conversation 10 times out of 10 instead of talking about the product on the field.

Also, just a little tip for everyone out there who's unveiling a new jersey. I need you to have one guy come out in the old jersey because my brain is so small. But the minute you show me a new jersey, I have no idea what the old jersey looked like. Like I, you couldn't, you could put an old jersey, jet jersey in front of me like, what is that? I've never seen that in my life before.

So it's it's that quick that it just goes from my memory. Yeah, also, just like put like take the the old jersey out on stage, but you can also doctor that one to make it look even worse. So no matter what, when you're showing the new jersey, they're like, oh, yeah, those old ones were pieces of shit. Look how ugly that thing is. Yeah, just like a doctor jersey to look bad. Yeah, I like that. I like that.

All right. Next up, we have Matt online, Antonio Brown. He's still mad online. He's still fighting with juju Smith Schuster. He's retweeting everyone who's buying Raiders gear. He does not want to be on the Raiders. I don't even know who wants to play football anymore. He just wants to fight. He just wants a professional petty wars fighter for anyone against the Steelers.

Yeah, no, he just wants to be CEO of Antonio Brown Corp. He is. He is a one man team of Antonio Brown, and he is he does have rabbit ears, doesn't he? Like he has the most thin skin. I mean, between him and Kevin Durant, there's a lot of ears on the ground out in the Bay Area. Just listens to all the haters. I think probably Antonio Brown listens more than even Katie does at this point.

I also am getting to the point where he fights on Twitter every single day with ex Steelers or fans or anyone or basically has to prove how much money he made. Then I'm at the point where I'm going full on addition by subtraction. The Steelers are going to be better without Antonio Brown. Oh, I like that. I like that. And juju seems like a funny guy. I think we've reached that point with juju where he's become a big enough star. Hank, what the hell?

He just sneezed. I mean, this is my this. Hank just got me sick. Okay, this episode is my firefest for people who don't understand. I we have to listen. So there's no echo. We Hank and I are sharing headphones. So I'm basically handcuffed to someone who's who's who's got like the bubonic plague.

And just keep sneezing. And I can't get away from them because we're sharing headphones. Jesus, I will toss in pairs, man, because that that was a very, very violent sounding sneeze. He just let out. I think he's got swine flu. It's these hotel rooms, dude. All right, let's finish up so that I don't die.

If you have to, you have a hot in the streets and then we'll do our Monday reading. Yeah. So I'm reporting live from the future in Hong Kong. And I picked up some new cool teen slang. So I was talking to a Hong Kong teenager in one of the parks here. And he taught me this word siebs. Do you guys say siebs? Probably you say siebs.

Siebs. Yeah, siebs. It's like when you're just chilling by yourself. You're like Dolo. You're solo. You just say, and your boys like, hey, you want to come out tonight? You're like, no, man, I'm siebs. Oh, so like, wait, let me try to use it in a sentence.

Right now I would give a million dollars to be siebs. Yeah, you're not about to see siebs life right now. Yeah, I would pay anything to not be with Hank. As soon as we disconnect, I've got like five hours to my flight. I'm just going to be siebs for a minute and then roll. Okay. Nice. I like that.

Just see. It's pretty cool, right? Yeah. Like this is slang from the future. Yeah, Hank, use it in a sentence. I'm also excited for this recording to be over, so I can be siebs and be away from you. Oh, oh, because I'm getting you.

I'm getting you healthy if anything. You're being very mean. No, my, I am. I have done nothing wrong. My health is getting you healthier. I'm just trying to do my job and you're making it very difficult. You're doing a great job. You're doing a great job.

Thank you. And I know you're sick. The way Hank says siebs, that's your cop. That was cop of shit. That was mean. And we're trying to be nice to him. All right. Let's do our Monday reading,

which we actually taped before PFT went to Hong Kong. And then we will see you guys all on Wednesday. But here's the Monday reading. Okay, let's finish up with our Monday reading. I alluded to it last week. Our producer, our super producer, he's the best producer in the world, Henry Lockwood. His resume, his actually was an introductory email

when he first got hired at Barstool is one of the greatest pieces of literature. I've ever read. Hank, do you want to say anything beforehand? Set the stage. You were 19, 18. I was 19. I was just did like a one year film program.

I was in the middle of applying for other like shitty like PA jobs and like random video jobs. Went on Barstool. I saw a video. KFC was in the background like waving the flag. And I just assumed that KFC worked there too in the office because he was in the office. Right.

And it was Dave being like, if there's anything you can do to help with this campaign, blah, blah, blah. And I clicked because I was like, oh, shit. Dave was running for mayor of Boston. Yeah. He made a video. He's like, I'm running for mayor of Boston.

You know, I want to win this shit. We need people to help the campaign. Like if there's anything you can do, email weird haircut Seth and like tell us what you can do. Okay. And so it was at a time when I was like pitching myself to other companies. And I was like, oh, boom.

Boom. This is it. Boom. Okay. Bless you. Don't worry. I won't make fun of your sneeze. Cut that, cut that.

Okay. Hank, I had a quick question though. Was there anything in your life that happened while you were in film school where you just said, fuck it. And it made you make the snap decision? Because it sounds like you were willing to risk it all for Boston. Yeah, it's film school folded.

No, no, that happened after. Oh, okay. No, it was a one year program. Your check bounce? I had finished the one year program. You went to Trump University of Film School. The, no, well it was Boston University Center for Digital Imaging Arts.

A few years later, I think Boston University unaccredited it. They stopped associating themselves with the school. After they learned you graduated from it? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it was, it was, it was good for what I needed to do. I needed experience. I needed to, like, I was doing it so I could get into another film school

because I had no, like, nothing on my resume. This is junior college for film school. Pretty much. Most people just call that porn. Yeah. Yeah. Um, no, the real reason is I tried to, like, I had worked, like, a landscaping job for my town the summer before.

Then I, for basically all I had to do was just resend an application just to, like, get back through the system and back. And I forgot to send it. Like, it was just sitting in my apartment. Forgot to send it. Called them. Was like, hey, they're like, yeah, we already, we already filled the spot. Like, you know, I'm a job.

So I needed, like, I was like, fuck. Like, I needed a job. I was like, I need to do something this summer. You're panicking. Okay. So here, here's how it starts. I want you also, Hank, to stop me whenever I read a lie. Okay.

Okay. All right. Well. Yeah. No, just stop me whenever I read a lie. All right. It starts. Mr. El Presidente.

My name is Henry Lockwood and I am going to be a game changer for your mayor, mayorial campaign because I can give you all the film and editing services you need for your mayorial campaign for prices. I guarantee all caps spelled G A R U N T E E. That's tough when you spell it that wrong and you also capitalize. Yeah. It kind of draws a lot of attention to the guarantee G A R U N T E E. The worst part about this, like, I, everything I said is the truth.

I send this email like 10 times. I just copy and pasted it. I never once was like, spell check it. Like, I literally would just send this email. Like, I would copy and paste it and just resend, resend, resend. Red little scribbles under everything. All right. So for prices, I guarantee you will not find anywhere else.

Period. All caps again, free. Period. Wait and negotiate, Hank. Write out the gate first sentence. He's giving it to you for free. So you've got to set yourself apart. So did you put a period or did you just write the word period?

No, period, free period. Okay. I am 20. I am a 20 year old stoolie through and through. That was a lie. I was 19, but I wanted to make myself seem older. Nice. See me at your slide.

From the coastal town of Situit down on the south shore. Nice. More importantly, I am soon to be graduating from Boston University Center for Digital Imaging Arts on June 1st with a degree in digital filmmaking. That's a lie. It wasn't really graduating. It wasn't really a degree.

It wasn't anything. I got a certificate in digital filmmaking. Here's a little tip for everybody. If you didn't graduate from college, I'm not making any judgments on people that don't because college is a firefest kind of sometimes. But if you don't graduate on your resume, just put the years that you went there

and say, I finished at this school next year. Right. All right. So picking back up, what does this mean to you and your campaign? It means that I have the skills, the equipment, and the manpower necessary to write, produce, and edit any kind of video you can possibly imagine or want to get made in any location at any time and make it look professional for free.

I feel like that all was a lie because you now have gone from graduating to having a full camera crew and equipment truck at your fingertips. Well, technically, as part of the tuition of the school, you did have access to all this stuff for free for a year. When you were there. So that was no, and for a year after. But what about when it goes away?

The school. What do you mean? Oh, well, it stayed. That didn't happen for a few years. All right, you're good. When I wrote this email, this was all truth. So what kind of equipment did you have access to? They had everything.

They had sound, green screen, like nice cameras. Yeah, you actually said right here. Here we go. The thing was that I had access to it. I didn't really know how to use it that well. Right. But I did. That was true.

You didn't have the access. I could technically get all this stuff. OK, so here you wrote as part of my tuition for school, I have access to a gigantic selection of film equipment for free for a year after graduation, as well as the cameras and equipment. Me and members of my group own, which includes, but is not limited to, Sony X1 camera, Canon T51 camera,

tripods, a 16 foot rig for crane type, swoop down shot, C stands, multiple types of lighting kits, depending on what type of look you are looking for, HD camera monitors, two different types of green screens, camera gels, dollies, flag kits, monopods, et cetera. Basically everything you need and more to make videos for your campaign and website at no cost to you. Oh, that's good.

And that's a great pitch. That is a great pitch. When it comes to editing, I am trained on Final Cut X, the most up to date Final Cut version available in the industry standard for filmmakers. I have the program on my lap. That's kind of a lie. So what did you know about editing?

Well, I mean, so this school, they basically like, you did things in like a week or two weeks. So they'd be like, all right, Final Cut, you learned for two weeks. So it's like, I knew enough to know what to put this in an email. So open it up. But I didn't really know that how to use any of the stuff. Very relatable, by the way.

Everyone who's ever applied for any job anywhere has said that they are proficient in Microsoft Excel and no one is. No one knows. All I know is I can move the cursor from cell to cell. The one guy who is is fucking awesome at it. And it's a thing of beauty. But everyone else pretends they are.

They don't know. It's like watching Mozart play the piano. It's unbelievable. Someone who's sick of Microsoft Excel fucking love it. Okay, so let's see. I have the program on my laptop as well as my desktop at home. I'm also trained and experienced in motion graphics for title sequence stuff.

And always good when you can use stuff in a cover letter. And color correction to ensure the quality of the video is top notch and not some shitty movie. I movie edit with generic graphics and text that everyone has seen before. How come you've never done any color correction here? I have. Oh.

Really? Yes. Okay. What are you saying? That we're too pale? That you have to make us look tanner? I thought there was only one editor here who knew how to do that. No.

I mean, I'm not going to show anyone here. But there's no one here that knows how to do it like professionally. But there's, I do do some slight. They're not getting paid for it. Yeah. There's no way you're going to find someone who has access to this type of equipment and crew personal with personal,

but it's personnel, but it's personal with a totally clear schedule. Willing to do it for free because I doubt there's many diehard stoolies with nothing but time and lots of equipment. There's no actually that's. Like a lot of. Yeah.

Didn't put a P in that equipment. Equipment on their hand. Equipment on their hand, willing to work for you and your team around the clock. But maybe I'm wrong. That's a doozy of a sentence. There's no way. There's no way you're going to find someone

who has access to this type of equipment and crew personnel with a totally clear schedule. Willing to do it for free because I doubt there's many diehard stoolies with nothing but time and lots of equipment on their hand. Willing to work for you and your team around the clock. But maybe I'm wrong. But maybe I'm wrong.

Is a great way to end that sentence. That's a power way to end this sentence. That catches someone's eye. Now did he spell Ghana, G-U-N-N-A? No, he's got kind of right. He's got kind of right. We're good with that. I don't care about money again.

Good way to anchor this negotiation. I don't care about money because I abuse me. To hand the amount of money and effort it takes to run a campaign and since I can get all the equipment for free I just figured I would offer you what I have and let it be at your disposal

because I want to see you as mayor. It's spelled with an E. And also because there's nothing else I would rather do with my time that would be more helpful and more fulfilling than helping you in Barstool campaign. Teams shock the world and become mayor. Spelled correctly.

You actually spelled mayor two different ways in the same sentence. That's fantastic. Again, everything I'm putting on the table is free of charge. So it's really a no-loss situation. Again, I really, really want to stress that you can abuse me as much as you want.

I mean, it's got him a job. His fucking Hank is producer number one sports podcast. Now this is how you make it, kids. We all have had this moment. I remember I had this moment. I sent out a resume once with just the wrong email address on everything. I was like, why am I not getting any replies?

I'm attaching my demo reel that I give to the corporations when applying at their companies. How many corporations do you apply? The companies. I mean, this was, when I was writing this, I was like applying to other places. Oh, you were? Okay, it's just went out everywhere.

Yeah, yeah. This went out to all the corporations and their companies. And several companies. Now, I didn't get any offers or job offers from any of those corporations that I applied to. No, I like, I like what you're doing here, because yes, you have kind of going out of your way

and say you don't have to pay me, but you've also kind of made yourself wanted by letting Dave know that there are many companies. There's offers. And there are corporations out there that are interested in your reel. Yeah, people are actively bidding for Henry Lockwood services.

So, yeah, so if you can make me an offer that's exactly zero dollars, I'll take it. Yeah, exactly free or maybe even less than free. I'll consider it. All right, I'm attaching my demo reel that I gave to the corporations when applying at their companies as well as my resume and my Gronk the World video

I made before I went to film school along with my buddies that shows deep down, I'm just a movie junkie stoolie that loves to smash shit. That's it right there. That's the fucking selling point. If you have any questions or are interested to call me, you left your phone number in your email,

be able to stool Henry Lockwood. This, I love this because honestly, Hank, I know it's probably a little embarrassing, but it's also like very relatable because every kid out there who's like 18, 19, maybe you're graduating college trying to figure out what to do, you probably have sent out a resume

with some words misspelled and guess what, Hank is here now all because he's ready to work for free. The, well, the real reason I will say it is a little embarrassing reading it back, especially with all the spelling errors. The guarantee is the tough one because it's all caps.

Yeah. It's the second sentence. Yeah, and that's just kind of a problem I've always had of just like phonetically spelling things. You know what though? Correctly spelling. That told me that you were enthusiastic while you're writing it.

Yeah. You didn't have time to go back and spell it. This email really meant nothing because Dave never even read it. He like this, this, this got brought to his attention like three years later and someone was like, how did you hire this kid? And Dave replied to, he's like, I didn't see this email.

Weird hair could set hired him. I never would have saw him. I never would have hired him if I saw this. But what I did is that I sent this and I probably sent it like no joke, like 15 times. Like I just kept copying pasting sending it to weird, weird heck of Seth, copying pasting, sending it to weird at Seth.

And then eventually what I guess I heard like after the fact behind the scenes is they had like a trouble with like a film crew and they're like, who should we get? And Seth was just like, this kid's been emailing me nonstop and then get like, he said that to Gazz and then Gazz called me. Fuck yeah.

So like Gazz didn't even read the email. Never give up. Seth was just like this kid like, he heard Dave and Gazz having a conversation like, what are we going to do? And he was like, this kid's been emailing me nonstop like, blah, blah, blah. So your resume was essentially just a series of emails that's how they saw that they got.

Just like it said Henry Lockwood and then parentheses 25 because there were 25 emails. And that will work for free. That little subject line was your resume in this case. Yes. And then Hank got hired. And then his first day on the job. I worked for free for like,

Well, yeah, for, well, you did. I mean, why wouldn't you? Because you said, you said it like 16 times. Oh yeah, Dave, they didn't even know that one. Yeah, we made a major change in switches. Showed up in Billy. Okay, my salary demands. But he did show up and Hank's first day on the job

was the day that we did our first like big video and Hank was running the whole thing. Well, then Gazz called me. He was like, he gives me a call. He's like, Hey, we're doing this video tomorrow with Todd McShay. Like, can you come help edit it? And I was like shooting my pants like Todd McShay,

like, Holy fuck, ESPN, blah, blah, blah. And then we showed up. He's like, All right, this is our equipment. Like this is what we have. Like what, like how should we set it up? Blah, blah, blah. And I was just like, what the fuck? Like I said, I could, I said, I know how to use this stuff.

I don't actually have the video turned on. You can watch it. It's still up there somewhere on YouTube. But yeah, it was okay. I mean, the beauty of like when I started, I was so bad at making videos. And now people look back like, these are the best videos

because it's like the bar still charm. It's like, they're just shitty videos, but like people for whatever reason, like, like them for nostalgia reasons. I always cringe watching back. Cause it's just like, I mean, it looks, it's very elementary. Yeah.

Can I tell you something? Yeah. So when I was probably about your age, the age that you are now. So yeah, we're laughing. We're having a good time. You are way more successful right now than I was when I was your age.

Oh yeah. At this age, I sent a very similar email to Chris Cooley, the tight end of the Redskins. You remember he was like trying to get into sports blogging and he was like writing a bunch of shit. And I was like, hey man, I noticed that you're doing this, this and this. It's pretty funny.

I can help you out with your video services. Cause I owned a video. I owned like a nice camera. I lied way more than you lied about what I could do. Your Final Cut Pro. And then his brother Tanner, the Cooley boys, they were some ratty bros. They got back to me and they're like,

yeah, let's do it. Next day, he takes a picture of his dick and accidentally posts it online. And he's like, we've been asked to kind of tone it down by the organization. So I don't know if we're going to be doing any more any video stuff. So that was a minor seven year stumbling block in my career.

Yeah. But good for you, Hank. You were scrappy. You were gritty. You were determined and it worked. Yes. That's the bottom line. Now you're here.

It's fantastic read. It's funny. It would not be a funny read if you weren't here right now. Now it's a funny read. Because it's like, yeah, you're very successful. Yeah. Let's read all the resumes of people that we decided not to hire and make sure that would just be mean.

All caps, guarantee. G-A-R-U-N-T-E. If you are going to apply for an internship this summer, we need someone that's good at Pro Tools. Ooh. And also spreadsheets. I want the Excel. I want you to figure out numbers for me.

I want you to teach me numbers. Yeah, but no, but I really need the numbers thing. I want numbers. We'll have somebody that knows what numbers are. Yeah. All right, PFT, this is future PFT. Good luck on your flight. If I died, this podcast right now

is going to be worth a shitload of money. So here's what you do. I want your word on this, guys. If I die in a plane crash or in a Hong Kong accident, or I get kidnapped and sold into white slavery, I want you guys to sell this podcast. Only one person gets it. The highest bidder, squarely style,

like when you bought the Wu-Tang album. So just this tape. Just this part of the tape. Yeah, I'm going to be honest. I'm looking out for you. I'll tell a live you right now that we'll do that. But if the final form for my final four bets didn't go well, I will definitely do like once I raise enough money,

I'll release it to everyone. I don't, I'm being honest with you. My dying wish for you is for me to be honest to you. I don't, you don't get to do a dying wish to me. My dying wish to you is to sell this to... I'm going to sell for as much cash as I can get right away. Sell it to Tom Dundun. Again, much cash right away.

Okay. Love you guys. This is spooky PFT from beyond the grave. Ooh. I got the horses in the fight. I'll be coming for your love, okay? Take on me. Take me on.

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