Pardon My Take - NBA Commissioner Adam Silver, Joe Burrow, Max Parties With The Eagles + Guys On Chicks And Fyre Fest

Episode Date: February 12, 2025

The football season is officially done and Luka is a Laker (00:00:00-00:08:19). Max partied with the Eagles Sunday night and is back in studio to recap the last week (00:08:19-00:39:42). Hot Seat/Cool Throne (00:39:42-00:59:13). NBA Commissioner Adam Silver joins the show to talk All Star Weekend, what being a Commissioner entails, how he’s trying to make the league better for viewers, the Luka trade plus some dumb rule changes we pitch him (00:59:13-01:37:57). Joe Burrow joins the show to talk about his season, a few bad fashion choices, what he hopes the Bengals do in the offseason and more (01:37:57-02:04:56). We finish with guys on chicks and Fyre Fest before Dungeons and Dragons Friday (02:04:56-02:23:22).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take

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with the most fun way to play fantasy sports. Pick six from draft Kings, download draft Kings, pick six app now and use code take as code take for new customers to play $5 get $50 in pick six credits, better payouts, bigger wins only with pick six from draft Kings. The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, February 12th and we're out of football season. It was a sad realization waking up on Monday. I think we all felt a little bit empty. I Monday night I ate a bunch of Girl Scout cookies and I rewatched the Superbowl. That's pretty good on TV. I was just like, I need something to watch. And I just turned it on and I was like, I guess

I'll just watch this again. I liked that a lot. I started to get back into shows again on Monday. Yeah. I watched The Night Agent. It was very strange not having sports bouncing around in the back of my head constantly thinking about what's going to happen in football. And then Tuesday comes around, and thank God, or excuse me, Monday night comes around and thank God or excuse me Monday night comes around and

thank God that the sports gods decided to bless us with Lucas debut. Yes, Luca. Everyone's ready for Luca. Shout out LeBron for letting Luca be announced last. You see that story LeBron had it. He texted Luca and said, Hey, you know what? I'm gonna let you get introduced last. And then Luke was like, thank you so much, but you'll go last after this I'm just gonna do tonight. And we now have everyone breaking down Lucas smiles. I was breaking there's a lot of tweets being like, look at Lucas smile. I was also very confused by LeBron James. Yeah.

We all know that LeBron James in the past has said a lot of things, sometimes confusing. But one thing that he said that was very clear was back in 2015 when he told his teammates, kind of in a passive aggressive way online, stop trying to find a way to fit out and just fit in. Yep. Apparently last night he told Luca,

don't worry about fitting in. Just go out there and fit out. Oh nice Well, I what so I don't get it. Yeah Well, I mean it's reversed. He's just got to fit out now, but that doesn't make any say he is Is he saying that he's out of fit like out of shape? He is out of shape look at all Yeah, it's just a lot of people being like Luca looks so happy. He's never been happier. He's never smiled before Lucas smiling on the bench after the first time out That's probably because he's sitting and it's it's nice painful for him to stand because he's so out of shape

He did look kind of big and pale in that Lakers yellow, didn't he? Yeah, I'm telling you lumbering up lack of aura But yeah, Luca and LeBron. They're officially ago. Look at that smile. It's so insane. How many people They're officially ago. Look at that smile. It's so insane. How many people, so many, so many people talking about Lucas smile. He's been, yeah, he's been saved from the basketball Siberia. That is Dallas, Texas. Yeah. He never, he, listen, he finally will get to play in the playoffs this year. Yeah. Wait a second. Uh, also the, did you guys see in Dallas? They finally started, uh, so I think it was their second home game since the trade they started Letting fans actually be on the jumbotron again, and then a fan got kicked out They were doing like a sing-along portion and they went to this guy

He was fake holding a microphone and he was singing and then he just looked dead into the camera He just said fuck Nico. Yeah They kicked that guy out everybody in Dallas like if they show you on the jumbotron there, you should say, fuck Nico. Oh, so funny. I like that. So petty. Yeah. Luca, the Luca show. I'll tell you what, I think it might be Austin Reeves team. It's not Dalton connects. If you want to talk about body language, he did not look happy. Well, he had zero points last night. It was disgusting. No, they didn't even JJ Reddick probably did the right thing and said like, you don't have to worry about playing. Well, they're like, he said she said they're contesting the Mark Williams physical.

So there's still a chance that don't connect. But they're also saying, oh, the Hornets wanted to trade for you. Like we didn't want to trade you. Yeah. You know, they just wanted you so bad. So Charlotte, they're the ones that are contesting the trade. They're like, no, he didn't feel the physical. Yeah, it's actually he's in the best shape of his life. Yeah. Yeah. So they also, they also came out with a Mark Cuban report, which was like, he really, you know, tried to convince Nico not to do it, but by the time he found out the deal was done, which I imagine like a movie, like Mark Cuban fell to his knees at Walmart. Actually. Yeah. Like wherever he was when he found that out, Mark Cuban was actually fell to his knees at Walmart. Yeah, actually. Yeah, like wherever he was when he found that out

Mark Cuban was actually fell to his knees. Yeah, Mark Cuban was the woman when when Trump in 2016. Yeah Well, they told them they told him late and Mark said that the biggest mistake of his entire career was trading Steve Nash And he's like I don't want to make a mistake like that again, and they don't like I don't want to make a mistake like that again. And they told him he didn't agree. Signed Jalen Brunson too. Yeah, it's true. So he's made a couple of mistakes. Yeah. They just gave him a heads up like, Hey, Mark, just so you know, we're going to do this thing that you're going to hate and you are powerless to stop it. But, but in defense of us, Mark, Luca is, he doesn't, he doesn't want it enough like a guy like Shaq right yeah so that that's what's going on here uh did you guys see turns out the boycotters of the

Super Bowl were not great because it hit a record 126 million views now they've changed how they've yeah football's back nice job football's back they have changed how they determine it. I think they're just counting everything now. But still for all the people who are like, I'm not watching this. Uh, you kind of got left out. Yeah. What, what, what Hank? Say it. It's a podcast. Ratings have never really made sense. So this isn't a current thing. Cause the Nielsen box, every time I heard how that system works, it didn't really add up. This makes, if they're just adding streaming numbers,

like they could just make up numbers, which is what I guess, you know, all platforms and stuff do, but that means nothing to me. Now in other news, our boycott worked phenomenally. The pro bowl had its lowest ratings ever. I believe. So we broke out the right thing so we boycott the right thing People followed us made a difference, but then that means that we were just so starved for football though Everyone just tuned back into the Super Bowl. Yes. Yes Max Max is back Max our conquering hero Max Solente world champion

Max How are you feeling? I? Feel I And Max, how are you feeling? I feel, I feel I'm here. Okay. Very hung over. How is the flight back? Were you surrounded by chiefs fans? Yeah, I was surrounded by chiefs fans. Surprisingly, there was a decent amount of Eagles fans on that flight to Kansas City. Oh, which was, They're on that flight to Kansas City. Oh was They're probably just going to pillage. Yeah, I don't know what there was one guy I was like sitting in like the seventh row the first one passed first class and there was this one guy who no big deal

Yeah, that's comfort plus for all the people There was a guy who literally just stopped dead in his tracks, and he just looked at me and was like what the fuck are you doing? The last guy you want to see. Shout out that guy. It's like Max and Russell Wilson. The two last guys you want to be sad next to. He didn't sit next to me, he was just walking down the aisle and saw me and he was like,

he was just so disappointed that my face was what he saw after losing the Super Bowl like that. So he probably like that's his worst nightmare like he went to bed just having nightmares about Philly fans like Max bouncing around his head. He's like he's everywhere. Yeah. Motherfucker is not real. So tell us about Sunday night after we after we left you after you did a bunch of shoeys, you went out, you partied, you're with the team? I was with the team. That's incredible. Big Dom absolutely hooked it up. We got into the section with the players

and their friends and family and stuff, so that was cool. We were a little bit late getting to the party, so some people were leaving as we were coming in, but there was still, I mean, there were still some big names in that little section. Give me some names, What names were in that section? Yeah. And also give us names of people who maybe came up to you instead of you going up to them. That's only one person. And?

I would like you to guess. I think you'll get it within two tries. Okay. Reed Blankenship. Reed Blankenship. Bang. Reed Blankenship came up to me and was like, wait a minute, you're the guy from Barstool, right? Hell yes. Shout out Reed. So shout out Reed.

That's my guy. But I mean, all jokes aside, that was so, that was like a surreal moment that like, I mean, he's been an integral part of this team all year. He was great. And then being at this Super Bowl after party and then him coming up to me and I was like, why this should, this should be the other way around No That that never gets old that never stops to like that never ceases to blow my mind when we were when we interviewed Lane Johnson

Cam Juergens was like, oh, what's up big cat as you were walking in the hallway. I was like, oh shit. That's fucking cool You're about to go play in a super bowl. So who else did you talk? Did you see Nick Sirianni? I saw Nick Sirianni was I saw Nick. Nick Sirianni was getting after it. Yeah, like absolute. He was just walking around with a cigar in his mouth the whole time ripping to like there was like a server that would come around. He was ripping tequila shots like do it as he was as he should. He was having the time. He went up on stage and he did that. That whole thing. So that what's that whole thing he did. He sang that talking. No no no no. Yeah we know that whole thing.

You're now explain coaching. We didn't go to this party with you. You know that. Well it wasn't like it like you know online. It's a famous thing that Nick's doing. He does after he wins the Super Bowl. It's kind of his deal. That whole thing. He sang my way? No, he sang this I can't play the song. Oh vibing that's what this tweet says. No, but he sang a song that was like talking It was basically Everybody's talking all this stuff about me. That's what Okay, that's good. I don't like that from Hank at all. Hank didn't like the song choice. Hank what song would you sing on stage? What would be the Hank thing that he's known for I played don't stop Rick Ross. That's what they played at the first Super Bowl party. I went to it was electric

Okay, yes sexy red was the performer. Oh nice. All right, and then who else who else did you talk to you? Take anyone I took no pictures with anyone why that was what I woke up See ready to see the chaos because good because you're in the content game And it's better if we just don't have any pictures. Yeah, I took no pictures. I don't know I felt Everyone was a million people are going up to them asking for pictures there They're trying to enjoy like their Super Bowl night, and I just wanted to like yeah, but I just wanted to enjoy Everything that was going on without being annoying Okay, but but then you were a million in one pictures It's not I mean there's someone who's been there before you're gonna want to look back and regret

You're gonna at least you'll have those you can just look back on the memories. Yeah, which you definitely don't I mean? No, I'm not really doing a good job with you. No, I was I was I was living in the moment. Okay, it was great All right, so did you talk to anyone else? Did you yeah, I walked I walked in the first person I saw the first people I saw were Chris O'Connor and Shane Gillis. Okay, love it. So they were They were fired. They were fired up. Great. Funny Chris O'Connor side note. He was texting me throughout the Super Bowl Demanding that I asked John Gruden why the Eagles wouldn't do a play-action play and throw it over the top He literally would be like, can you ask Gruden? I I think my first reply was haha. I will he's like no I'm dead serious ask him right now and he just kept on texting like it's open

It's open and then they hit the Devante Smith touch it out. He's like see it's open He was just obsessed with it Chris. Okay. He was the main character of that party. He rocks. He was forming it like a dance circle, and only himself was in the middle dancing in the circle. He was awesome. What was Pug doing at this party? I mean, Pug got a picture with Sirianni.

OK. Good. Can we see that picture? There's no Pug. I haven't seen that picture. We'll pull up that picture. Where can I find this picture? So Pug took one, Rowan took one, you were just like nah. Nah. I want these guys to be friends with me for life. I bet you think Sirianni's like who is that fucking dude in the boot that didn't ask for a picture? I need that guy. I do like how Max's mind, he's like, you know me and Sirianni, we're too close for that.

That'd be weird if I went up to him and asked him for a picture It's like I can do that whenever I want. Yeah. No looking back. I probably should have asked for a picture Look, I get it though. Like you don't want you don't want to be annoying They got cameras over but I'm telling you like that at that point. They do not give a fuck and In ten years you're gonna be like, yeah, I kind of wish I had a picture of that Yeah, Joe hurts was also there. You know what and the beauty is wait And in 10 years you're gonna be like, yeah, I kind of wish I had a picture of that. Yeah. Jalen Hurts was also there. You know what?

And the beauty is, wait, I want to hear about Jalen Hurts, but the beauty is, uh, memes. I would like you for the next day, find every picture that Nick Sirianni took with someone and just put, do the Max face. So that way we have a bunch of pictures of Max with Sirianni. Every single one. All right. So Jalen Hurts is there. Did you talk to him? No. So Jalen Hurts was there but he was in like a different section within the section

that sounds that that also is that sounds about right. Yeah. Like every but he was kind of like one in his in his own in that section. Other people would come into his section. Super Bowl. Like everyone else was in like the mix of everything and he had basically had like security going in and out of that section. And like as soon as he moved everywhere everyone just had like a had like a had like a phone just like filming him walking walking around. And you were in the player section though. Right. Then there was like a party section that was different. Right right there was like this pug but what an arrival nope nothing no pictures no nothing I was gonna tell you didn't make it in I need to I saw Chris's Instagram post with you in

it I was like oh you made it in I was worried when I when I woke up to the picture with Chris what oh no no Chris probably I asked you to take no I won't we were me Chris and big cat were in a group chat being like we got to meet up we got to meet up so then once we did meet up I sent big cat a picture of wait so yeah I woke up the next morning I was like oh fuck they didn't get in this is bad I would sleep I didn't help and then turns out you you got all the way it. Yeah. No, we were in until until it closed So what time did it close? I think four now right pug pugs here pug pug I believe three potentially 4 a.m. Pug how was it? Tell us awesome

It's just seeing all your favorite players right after the Super Bowl celebrating. It's just like so surreal How was how was asking Nick Sirianni for a picture? It was like a very quick, he was like in the middle of doing pictures with other people and it was just a quick like get in, get out. Love it. So he didn't even, you didn't bother him. Yeah, no. It took two seconds for this time.

Here's the thing, Max, we didn't need a picture of Sirianni Max because you gave a recap in words that describe it better than a picture ever could because it looks like right after you left the party at 3.08am you tweeted, Sirianni was so sick tonight. I was drunk tweeted all night. Wait, so what did you- That tells me all I need to know. Let's print that out and then you can look back on that in five years. Put that behind you We need that frame behind you the night you party with the Eagles after winning a Super Bowl Sirianni was so sick tonight. Wait, so did you guys what did you guys can we see the picture of Sirianni and pug?

By the way, every time I see a picture of Pug I just I audibly am like he's just the cutest I think I don't know why I was like he's just the cutest guy we got you remember that chill guy meme that was viral like I don't know two months ago yeah Pug is the chill guy he's just a chill guy yeah I also like I'm so pro going to a Super Bowl by yourself like that like dude friendship and bond because like I have a buddy who went to one of the Patriots games with like another guy we work with that was a random connection. And like they still will be like, that's my best friend for that. Yeah. I was just waiting because people were kind of roasting me and PFD being like, why would you buy one single ticket? I was like, dude, it's a super

bowl. They're going to Connor made best friends with his seatmate too. Yeah. And again, it's like I've the Eagles winning this super bowl and the way they did it has made me get to relive the Patriot super bowls. Like that's all I did yesterday was just rewatched the Seahawks watch the Falcons That's awesome, and they're making by I don't care. It's true like I like you guys are talking about no football I spent probably two hours watching just like Patriots Seahawks Patriots Falcons Patriots Rams and Those memories you have like this night this like it's the best. Wow. The farther away it gets, the better it gets. That's, that's what I've learned in my wisdom of like this night will get better with time. Well, not for max. He has no memories

of his pictures. All I have here is picture is all time. You look sick, pug. Unreal with the cigar like that. But the farther away you get you're gonna make that was so sick And it just gets sicker and sicker and sicker the funniest part about watching Hank react to max talking about the night is Hank just think about he's like yep. That's how the Super Bowl party just set up Right there, then you go. Yeah, yeah, I know about that today I was did they have a bathroom for you that was different than everyone else's nice six same Until the until. Until the... Somehow the Celtics, like, Missoula, shout out to Coach Missoula, but...

The first Super Bowl party I went to was the best night of my life. Like, until the parade. Max, have you been invited to the parade? I... no. Okay. Do you want to get invited to the parade? Let's get Pog on the parade. I don't know. Yeah.

It's Valentine's Day. That's big issue. That's the issue. I was thinking about that. There are going to be so many dudes in Philly that are like, I'm going to go out to the parade just for a little bit, and then I'll come home, and we'll go out on a date and have our night, and they're just not going to come home.

A lot of pukes at dinner. After being gone for eight days and then being like, I had the most unreal night ever, but I need to have another one is going to be a tough. That's gonna be tough So wait, so I didn't even ask how would you guys do when the party ended you go to a bar? Where did you go home? I We went home pug wanted to go to bourbon Street at like that like 330 fuck. Yes, what an animal Once the game ended there's just like swarms

of Eagles fans like, we're all going to bourbon. So like, I still was feeling that energy a little bit, but going home was the right move. Yeah, and then Pug, how was your flight through Kansas City? Did people, were people like, god damn it? My flight was through Atlanta. Oh, okay, all right, all right.

So you didn't do the Kansas City connection. But there were some issues, weren't there Pug? Yeah, we had, we we got delayed then delayed again then de-boarded then delayed and then we we were back So what times you get home like 2 a.m. Oh my god Yeah, but we're back how many times do you look at this picture during the flight? Like two to three yeah, Pug Pug Alright, so and max how um scale one to ten how unhealthy do you feel? Nine days in bourbon 15 like yesterday

Yesterday was like I was sitting at the airport I was about to go get food and and I was like I just I shouldn't eat anything right now I ended up getting lunchables. No, that was my lunch nice for the my lunch What do you not remember that debate though? No Rushmore? No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so I had that and then I had you know a Salad for dinner. Yeah salad. I got a salad for dinner. You have to eat something green. I'm going to die I got a salad for dinner. You have to eat something green. I'm going to die Heavy heavy diet starts started yesterday. You got a book a trip to like a sauna or something We need to sweat yeah, you sleep for like 50 minutes

Yeah, yes, just to get get it out kind of started the toxins out, but you're going on an exercise vacation exercise exercise. Fitness vacation starts next week. You're gonna ski like twice. He's also gonna drink. He's gonna drink so much more than he skis. I'm also going, going to a John Simon concert again. Okay. All right. So any other Superbowl thoughts? I mean, I had a thought, uh, while driving in this morning, it's Patrick Rahome a Kyle Shanahan merchant? Yes. Yes. Two out of three of his Super Bowls against Kyle Shanahan who can't win the big one?

Yep. Interesting. Is he a Kyle Shanahan merchant? Interesting. Yeah. Well, he's had two very bad losses in Super Bowls. Very bad. Those the, the, so I saw a chart. Someone's like, Hey, if you think that this was this first half was like the Tampa super bowl, it actually was so, so, so much

worse. Yeah. Patrick Mahomes, that was the worst half of football he has ever played. And then they'll maybe the worst half. I saw a status like maybe any quarterback of all time. Yeah. Top 10 worst performance ever. There was a chart I saw that was a it was like worse play stretches in the Superbowl and my homes had like the worst four or maybe eight eight play stretch in a Superbowl all time. He also had one of the he had the best for play stretch which was all in garbage time. Oh at the end. Yeah. That the throw to Xavier were the, which I agree with everyone. Like you can't count stats after the Gatorade bath. Yep. That was after the Gatorade bath that he made that throw. It was an incredible throw. It was also all the backups. Yeah. Yeah. They'd taken

away the whole starting lineup. Yeah. So strike from the record. Also, I mean Mahomes has had to get to the AFC too. Yeah, true. Pretty impressive. True. But this is, it's a bad one. It's a bad one. It's a bad one. Jalen Hurts, I actually, like Max and Rowan were onto something with the Jalen Hurts thing. What? He might be, I think he's just better than Mahomes. Oh, I like that. Their head to head matchups with Super Bowl Hurts has dominated them. That's true. the Super Bowl is better than my homes. Oh, I like that. They're head to head matchups. It's has dominated them. That's

true. If you'd only watch the two Super Bowls that the that Jalen Hurts and Patrick Mahomes played against each other, Jalen Hurts clears them by a million. A million. And and if you just put the the the last Super Bowl on regular turf,

then it'd be my homes would be even more of a Kyle Shanahan Merchant. Yeah., I mean we'd be having to talk about the Eagles being a dynasty right now hmm You guys do have like a pretty do you have a lot of free agents you have a yeah We're gonna we're gonna lose a lot of guys. Oh you are Zach bond Zach bond Josh sweat Williams what did you guys think about the try and bring some you know the all 22 review like that came out I saw with like all the sacks and all their Travis Kelsey and they just they got Kelsey was not looking great on the film review. My all 22 analysis is that Lane Johnson is a fucking man?

Yes, every single time you see Lane Johnson. He's just bodying that that is a man that you don't you don't want him to put his hands On you. Yeah, he's there was one that I saw that he throat punched a guy. Yeah, he was biting Chris Jones. Yeah. Yeah, he was an animal. He just put him out on an island, too. He never had help. The Eagles were just that much better than the Chiefs.

You see Kenny Pickett? No. At the party? Yeah, at the party. No, I did not see him at the party. That would have been cool. What type of jumpsuit was Big Dom wearing? Big Dom basically see him at the party that would have been cool. Yeah, what type of jumps it was big Dom wearing Big Dom basically got us into the party and then immediately left. He had a lot. Yeah, he was like yeah

He texted me next day Yeah, the Super Bowl after party is Big Dom Super Bowl Like he's got to be on point with that as yeah as as he was walking us in CJ Gardner Johnson was walking out and he was like he was like Dom I'm gonna need a ride for me and all these people like immediately and then he was like alright alright I'll get to you in a second also. I want to see the Swifties are kind of a War oh, I do want to see it was I want to hear about that But I just want to defend big Dom for a second because I've seen this narrative being thrown around that he's like hunting for the camera. It's his literal job

to be next to Nick Sirianni after a game. Like if you if you are upset that Nick Sirianni is getting a picture taken and Big Dom happens to be behind him he's not looking for the camera he's doing his job. That is his job. Shout out Big Dom. Go ahead. Swifties. What CJ Gardner Johnson was the person he posted on a story, a picture of him and Kelsey and his quote was should have stayed with that thick shit. Oh yeah. So Swifties are fired up. They are. Well, there was that picture of Taylor that went viral like two weeks ago. I think they're also mad about her getting booed. Like they're- And I think Travis Kelsey's ex-girlfriend might have been there.

I think she was. But yeah, there was that picture and it confirmed the fact that Taylor Swift does in fact have a leg. And all the Swifties are like, oh, look how thick she is. Look how strong that leg is. And it was just like a leg. It was a leg. So now CJ is saying, oh, he should have stayed with the thick girl.

And then now all the Swifties have responded by leading bad reviews for CJ Gardner Johnson's mom's restaurant. Is that what it is? That's nasty. Nasty work. She's sore loser. They've never lost. Yeah, they've literally never lost.

They weaponized social media. Yeah, they do. But that was their first big loss. Yeah, it was huge. How do you respond from adversity? I don't know. We'll see. She's going to put out a banger album about the Super Bowl.

I think he's going to retire. You do? He looked old. He did. He did look old. He is old. He wasn't getting off the line. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, the Chiefs just overall just looked bad. There was nothing. Andy Reid might retire. Chiefs run defense was overall just looked bad. There was nothing. Andy Reid might retire. Chiefs run defense was pretty much all you can say was good. Is this Eagles team the best football team of all time? Oh! Because, well hear me out, you've got Saquon Barkley.

Uh huh. One, I'd say maybe a top ten running back of all time. Right? The way that he's playing right now. Not in terms of longevity this season. Incredible. Shout out that wise, but by the way, just side note, shout out that one guy who posted a video of him pinning Saquon Barkley in like sixth grade wrestling. Never let go of that. That was so good. We like Saquon won a Superbowl birthday. He's like, Hey, check out this time. All right. Saquon Barkley, he was in the MVP consideration. He had a great season. Yep. Top 10 season of a running back of all time.

The offensive line for the Eagles. Maybe top 10 offensive line of all time. Defensive line, you could make the same argument. And the pass rush, make the same argument. Impact rookies all over the place. Great secondary. Shut down Patrick Mahomes. Quarterback, better than Patrick Mahomes.

Beat Patrick Mahomes in the Super Bowl. And we're talking about Patrick potentially being the second or going into this game, the best quarterback of all time. Well, a guy that just beat him, you would say that he's probably the second or the best quarterback of

all time. Is this the best football team ever? Max? I already made this argument on Sunday show. Would you, did you say that the best team ever? Yeah.

He did. He said he was 16 and 1. I just started saying that we basically were undefeated. Yeah. He found a way to get out of every single one of their losses. So Eagles number one, Patriots number two. Yeah, I mean that's the thing. That doesn't matter because it's

all you can make the argument for anything, but all that matters is they're both Super Bowl champions and the chiefs are not in the chiefs or not. And Patrick is probably going to use his revenge and get like way better and win another one right in everyone's face. Oh, you think he's totally done. Hank is Hank is unironically doing the washed trash. Yeah. You actually think Patrick Mahomes is done. Like we went along with the joke. He's got a long, long, he's got a huge mountain decline. If he can win five more Super Bowls to beat Tom Brady, good for him. No, you've become Max Kellerman.

Wait, but when you did the wash thing on Sunday night, we were going along with the joke, like he is going to win another Super Bowl. Maybe. Okay. All right. So he thinks no. This is, you have become Max Kellerman, either you die a villain or you live long, or no, die a hero or live long enough to become a Kellerman.

How many Super Bowls is he going to go to for the rest of his career? NFL is hard. It's hard to stay healthy. It's hard to get back. You we've talked to all these quarterbacks and pros where it's like, you know, it's a constant narrative on the show. You never know. Probably one or two. Okay. So you would, you would you bet that he'll be back to at least two? I would look at the other line. It depends how juicy the plus sign was. Who wins a super bowl? I'd probably take that. I'd probably take no. Okay. who wins a super bowl take that I took probably take no okay

What's the super bowl first five out of the last seven? Yeah, but it's again. It's time. He's just a check down merchant now, okay? Who wins the Super Bowl first? I'm on Patrick Mahomes or Drake may? Drake man, okay, we come okay Okay, you know you're on Hank's side, but you, you, you killed them. That first Tom Brady will never have tape like that first half tape no matter what that's that that will be on his legacy forever. You body that he had a chance to do something legendary and came out with the worst performance in the history

of football. He played worse than Sam Darnold did. Yeah, he was very bad. Do you think, Max, is there anything to be said that Carson Wentz is your good luck charm because the Eagles have two Super Bowls when Carson Wentz is on the sidelines? That, great point. We just need, you need to find him an AFC team next year

that will be in the Super Bowl and just have him out there. You're undefeated in Super Bowls when Carson Wentz is a backup somewhere. That's an excellent point. He also kind of didn't... I reviewed the tape, kind of shaded Jalen Hurts after the Super Bowl. I couldn't fully understand if it was he never saw him, but Jalen Hurts was kind of looking to give him a high five and Carson Wentz was walking in the opposite direction. Interesting. So we'll just go with that.

Do you think Carson Wentz still thinks that he's like if that were me I would want to? Yeah, oh for sure. I would say good luck charm is more Nick Foles. Nick Foles even posted it's really cool that Tom Brady got to be or I guess it's Tom Brady that's the good luck charm. Yeah. But Nick Foles pointed out Tom Brady got to be or I guess it's Tom Brady. That's the good look Yeah, but Nick Foles point out Tom Brady got to be there for the Eagles to Super Bowl wins He might be the good-look charm. Well the good it's it's yeah Tom Brady Yeah, and also Tom Brady is was there for both the patch from a home's Super Bowl losses

Yeah So I'm so happy for Tom. What do you review the tape? All right, so here's Jalen Hurts in my homes the Jalen Hurts goes towards Carson Wentz and Carson Wentz is like nah Nah, I Don't know You know that you're gonna go see the other starter I don't know if it's customary or not to go. Yeah back up right away I just like the narrative now if it's Carson Wentz you have to check in in town. Yeah, you have to like you have

Just say you know I'm in your city. Yeah. Hey, Jalen. That should have been me Yeah, that would be awesome if you said that just you know should have been me It's probably way better to not even make the Super Bowl than it is to make the Super Bowl and get blown out like the Chiefs Right. Yes. Yeah, so good job all of us. Yeah, it's playing all along. That's what that's what Brady was saying He's like no one talks to me about when I've lost the AFC championship I only get talked about about the losses in the Super Bowl. Yeah skin losses Massive and shout out Jalen hurts incredible story. Imagine getting mentioned. in Alabama. Imagine getting three Super Bowls in a negative point differential.

That's embarrassing. This is more Hank's Super Bowl than Max's. It is. I literally felt like I won the Super Bowl yesterday. What are you gonna say about it? I hadn't really thought about how bad it would have been, but after the way they'd lost, like it really put into perspective how good it is to win.

And I'm happy for Pug, I'm happy for Max. Hank and I have never been more in lockstep than we are right now. Absolute boys. What was your worst loss in the Super Bowl, Hank? It probably would have been that one. But the Eagles was... Wait, you're talking about this year? Yeah, that would have been...

This year would have been your worst? Yeah. Wait, what were you going to say, Max? I don't know, this is a way more fun conversation than what I was going to say. It would have been you guys, it would have been an impossible argument to make and it would have just been a he said. Actually I'll ask a question. I want to ask you a question. Realistically, where do you rank Jalen Hurts as quarterbacks in the NFL right now?

Right now one right now. I and I'm ranking it. If a team called, would they do like salaries out, take salaries out? Would the team do a one for one trade? I'd probably rank him. What if you're drafting? What if it's the league starts tomorrow? You have the number one pick. It's tricky with Jalen hurts because I think that there's a bunch of quarterbacks that would not do a

bunch of teams that would not do a one-for-one trade with their quarterback, but Jalen Hurts is Better than them in terms of how he fits in with the Eagles. I probably rank him fifth So like do you think Justin Herbert you think the Chargers would trade? I don't think they would but That's bullshit. No, that's bullshit Max, I don't think they would but I'm saying Jalen Hurts is a better quarterback. Jalen Hurts, it's not even close. Justin Herbert is just a regular season merchant and then as soon as the playoff, it's exactly what you don't want in a quarterback. Someone who looks really good in shorts and does bullshit during the regular season and then as soon as the playoff comes, shits his pants. Jalen

Hurts is a complete... I agree. I'm saying Jalen Hurts is a complete- Alright, facts. I agree, I'm saying Jalen Hurts is better, but I don't think the Chargers would make that trade. Alright, that's what I'm saying. I don't know. If you're- Alright, if you're- Harbaugh likes fucking winners.

That's true. That's facts. Fred, you got a fresh draft. You're number one on the block. Every NFL player is available. I would probably, no, if you just do quarterbacks. You're drafting, yeah, you're drafting Hurts over Herbert. Do you want to do a draft right now?

I would probably make him fourth or fifth. Is that so that's fair. That's fair Yeah, I would say top three but all I'm willing to go to it's a combination of Mahomes Allen burrow Maybe Lamar because obviously the playoffs he hasn't been good and then Jalen hurts Like he's somewhere in there. I think Mahomes and Allen are first first two. I you would agree I think yeah, like like Josh Allen in parts. I you would agree. I think yeah. Like like Josh Allen and purchase. I heard this is above Walmart. It's above Lamar. You can't. There's no hurts in Lamar have been in the same situation. Yeah. With both that's what it rosters. Yeah. But Lamar cannot win. So for. Yeah. Yes. I'm all right. I'm all

right with that. Four is OK for you. For I'm okay with. I have him six. Who's your who's your. I don't know. I don't know. It's a mystery. It's a mystery. I'm going to do a mystery top five and then I've got yeah I got hurt six. It's a compliment. Six is high. There's a nice straight Hank just saying Alan is number one. He's you are it's he's better. My home should retire. Yeah stop. Deandre Hopkins retired. He's, you are, it's, he's better. Mom should retire. Yeah. Stop. Deandre Hopkins retired. He's already dead. Tough way for John Deandre Hopkins. Go out being like complaining about the refs and then be like, I'm retired. Wait, was, was that not a fake Schefter account? Oh, it was. Oh, I got, I think you got Adam Scheffler.

Oh, okay. I just saw Deandre Hopkins charge. So yeah, I guess I got Adam Scheffler. He did not retire other people. Oh, there it is. Yep. That's fake. I got caught. All right. So he hasn't retired. He might retire. Oh yeah. Aaron. Yeah. Have you seen Jerry's trying to get Aaron Rogers to the Steelers? Yep. Hard. Rodgy. Hard. Rodgy. Okay. Should we do Hot Seat Cool Throne? Let's do Hot Seat Cool Throne. Hot Seat Cool Throne is brought to you by our friends at Farmer's Dog. Blake and Stella are both Farmer's Dogs this year.

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some you know someone in his inner circle. The other thing I was just laughing at thinking how crazy of tradition is is the Super Bowl like seeing Jalen Hurts at Disney World and we should have sent Max or pug to Disney World instead of home. Because like that's got to be the most miserable experience of all time. Yeah. What, Disney World? They have to go to Disney World at like 6 a.m. Yeah, but they fly private.

They just go do a couple, I mean, the Tron ride looked sick. And they've got beers at Disney World. Yeah, I guess that's true. The Tron ride was awesome. I was more just thinking like Max's state. And if he had to just be at Disney World. Yeah, well, Max, I think jailing hurts going to Disney World, like flying private there, cutting every single line, getting to do. Yeah, well, Max, I think Jalen hurts going to Disney World, like flying private

there, cutting every single line, getting to do some roller coasters and going home is not that bad. Max. Yeah, we had sent Max. Maybe it's sent Max and like my kids and then like Max, you have to go and take my three kids to Disney World. If we sent pug pug wearing the Mickey Mouse ears would be very. Yeah. Yeah. Look at the Tron ride. How sick does that look? Yeah. You're like sitting forward. cute. Look at the Tron ride. How sick does that look? Oh, that is sick. Yeah. You're like sitting forward. I want to do the Tron ride. Yeah, going on that hungover would be the worst.

Yeah. And then my cool throne is just John Gruden. I don't think, I mean we didn't really talk about it that much on Friday, and we were kind of in the middle of Super Bowl week last week. But coming out of it, I've spent so much time just thinking about John Gruden. I miss John Gruden. I miss him so much. We have a crazy surreal job and we have moments all the time where it's kind of like pinch me how is this happening? But yeah, going away from Super Bowl week and just being like the amount of time we spent with John Gruden and how just unbelievably legendary

of a guy he is off camera on camera,, and just the fact that he just hangs with the... It'll be on PMTV, I think, but we had a dumb debate with him for an hour and a half. He was max. Mm-hmm. He's the best. I miss him. You spent the week in his house, too. Yeah, yeah.

No, I would wake up and he would just be sitting there taking notes and give me a quiz when I would wake up and I'd just be like, what's going on? He's always pumped. Yeah. John Gruden is the most pumped individual I've ever hung out with in my life. I teased this at the end of the gambling stream, but I think I successfully talked John Gruden into coming for the first two days of March Madness, which I'm already just so pumped for.

I was like, do you watch college ball? He's like, yeah, I like any sports. He's like, do you want to come gamble with us for two days? He's like, I'd be into that. Yeah. Fuck yes. He's always yeah, I like call any any sports is like do you want to come gamble with us for two days? He's like I'd be into that yeah fuck. Yes. He's always fired up. Yeah, so yeah, I miss him I just miss him same the only thing that really pisses him off is when people in the room are not Adequately fired up. Yeah, he likes to have energy in the room Yeah, and he much like coach Missoula like and that's I think just a trait of a good coach like I You just make sure to be a better person well, yes, we're gonna say Max

Well, he it's Hank Hank is the one that he gets mad at yeah for not You do need to bring the juice. No, I know he He makes you want to be a better person like he what he makes you want to bring the juice He makes me want to just you know, go. So are you gonna be a better person? I'm gonna try for now that I know he's you know watching I mean the coat Missoula is the same way where it's like I now that I've been blessed to meet him and be in his presence like I want to be better for him How can you be better pointed? I can try harder. I can go harder That's kind of higher that's kind of hurtful isn't it what like Hank has never considered trying to be better for us

Yeah, it's true. No you guys are this show for us better for us. Yeah, it's true. No, you guys are this show for us. You guys are like me. No, he just, what do you mean? I want to, I'm sharp and sorry. I want to, I want to stay sharp for PFT. You think we're, you think we're lethargic? No, but like we go hard. You know, coaches, you know, yeah, but like what, like I, I, I, I prep for this show and get ready for the show knowing that your PFT is gonna do the same. No, no, no, but I wanna bring my A game because I know PFT will bring his, excellence brings out excellence.

You have never once thought I wanna- Not for the show, I'm talking about in life. Yeah, no, but this is- This show is our life. Right, but- John Groove's not around you for your life. He's around you when you're working I Got hard for you guys. Yeah, thank you Max

I'm always hard. That's my hardest boy. It's okay. We just can't we can't bring out of you what Missoula and Gruden It's fine. It's just hurts. It's I just said it was hurtful. I didn't say that you're wrong It's just said it hurtful some people in this world are self starters Yeah And they don't need somebody to grab him by the face mask and tell him what to do other people need to have their hands held and that's okay Yeah, I mean I guess that's that's fair. That's a fair fair point mm-hmm broke his fucking face. Do we need to get harder on you? It's not like getting hard. He's not hard on me. He just it's just his energy

That was that was when we were having a tight end debate on Barstow radio and crude was like Gronk broke broke someone's face and I was like what he did Hey, I think he did anything he's like he broke his neck in half Kyle Vandenbosch. Yeah He's like broke his face. Yeah, who was like I like that guy, but he broke his neck off broke his face The only other thing that I was curious about Was exactly how the gumbo finished like how'd you finish that? I finished 15 gumbos on the last night. I were guy What'd you do? Hey? Hey? Can I ask you a question about the gumbos? Did you need Gruden or Joe Missoula to tell you to do that? I did all on my own Wow

I said I was gonna do it and then I followed through because he set a goal Then you hit it. That's all good about yourself. Love that about it's good to check shit off the list I do regret doing the gumbo bet Just because I'm not a bet a challenge the gumbo challenge just because it made me miss out on so many other good foods That I could have eaten. Yeah, I would love to have had but yeah, I'd finished it up with two gumbos at dinner on Friday night. And yeah, then just went to see Ludacris. Pretty good show. Left before John Summit. Sorry, John. Disrespectful. Embrace debate. Jack, Jack McCarthy's going to enough John Summit for all of us in this room.

Embrace debate. Is it disrespectful to Ludacris to have him open up for John summit john some pretty big now I mean me and BFT were having this debate all weekend Ludicrous might not be as hot right now as John summit. I think he's got like 20 more might not be well. He's You act like ludicrous is is fucking chopped liver max bring up their monthly streams on Spotify Max bring up their monthly streams on Spotify. No, no, no, no, no, I'm telling you that John Summit is better is bigger than him right now. And it's by like a good margin. But Luda still does very well. Luda has been doing this shit for 25 years. He's in Fast and Furious. He's a megastar. A little disrespectful to Ludacris, even though John Summit is hotter, right? PFT was getting mad at us for saying we're going to the John

So the John summit concert not the ludicrous concert ludicrous show How many songs in the booth does anyone know by ludicrous? Total well they played this max came up to me during the show and was like I'm sorry for disrespecting ludicrous. He's got no I mean, I love luda, but it does it's Shows your age, I think. Well, no, it also just shows that John Summit is much newer and Ludacris has been doing for 25 years. Talk to me in 15 years and let me know how how hot John Summit is.

I agree with that. Luda Ludacris has more longevity. Yeah. All right. Your cool drone. That was your cool drone. Your hot seat. PFT. My hot seat is pitchers and catchers. They're reporting. I think the Cubs are there.

The Cubs are the first to report. The Dodgers are there, first to report. I just remember watching part of the interruption when I was a kid growing up, and the first show after the Super Bowl would always be Tony talking about the beautiful, cyclical nature of sports. We lose one, and we get rebirth. Yep. And so baseball is back.

Baseball is so officially back. We'll do our baseball preview in probably September. When we do Dingers only when Dingers only. Yeah. But yeah, they're they're reporting right now. And then why pitchers and catchers go there first. And then everybody else just shows up all at once. Yeah. They don't hang out like with the pitchers and catchers I think pitchers catchers got to get a nice jump start just being weirdos down there warming up their arms they just do long toss for a

week and then everyone else shows up and then I think they just do like plays to first that's a picture yeah yeah that's always the first video yeah it's just like that running covering first base yeah and then like in that's what makes the Garrett Cole thing even funnier Yeah in the World Series in July sometime There will be a ground out like a dribbler back to the pitcher and you know It's like that's the first thing they work on training is that which also means that we're gonna get some pictures through chain-link fences from reporters where they're standing like

300 yards away the blurriest pictures of all time being like, look, baseball's back. Baseball's back. They're a show hay. My cool throne is big men. Random big men are back because we've entered the stage of the NBA season where the Lakers don't have a big man. And so now people are just going on TV and saying the names of random big men who could fill in to play for the Los Angeles Lakers even though maybe some of them have been out of the league for like four years. Yes. So Stephen A Smith was making the case for Dwight Howard today coming back, which would okay.

I am in support of that just because it'd be very funny. Yes. But I don't think he's very good at basketball. No, but I feel like he stays in shape. He probably does, but he's one of those guys that looks in shape, but he probably doesn't have any of the skills that he once had. Yeah, like he looks ripped. It's kind of like a to remember when to 10 years after Yeah, was still ripped. And then he would then he'd run a 40. Like, oh,

yeah, that's that's the difference. The speed's not there anymore. So I'm gonna say some other big men. Okay. Blake Griffin. Love it. Who says no to Blake Griffin? Blake Griffin. Blake Griffin's you don't think Blake Griffin. By the way, Sean back Griffin awesome. Five fouls. Awesome commercial Red Lobster commercial. You see him Duncan? Yeah, he's Duncan everything. Spencer Hawes. Yes. Done. Bring him back. But yeah, the Lakers need a center so you can just say anybody any any tall man be like, Yeah, I Lakers need a center. So you can just say anybody, any, any tall man be like, yeah, I can see him get out there, give you some fouls. I'm

out there. Perk Perk caught a stray. Not really stray. Like instantly per caught a shotgun blast from KD over the weekend. Yeah. Katie was not so happy about everything. Well, Perk Perk is the guy that like the further away he gets from playing the better He was oh, yeah, and I love perk. I'll listen to him talk about anything, but he was he was like Yeah, I was a leader that team and kiddies like this is the most ridiculous thing. I've heard said online this whole yes. Yes Okay, my hot seat is Glenn Taylor because a rodden and Mark Laurie have become official governors or they at least won the arbitration to be governors.

Wait, what does it say? Lay off the burgers, Wendy. 35 minutes ago. That's all. Oh, Dwight Howard said lay off the burgers, Wendy. Well, I saw Stephen Smith bring it up and say like, what about Dwight Howard? And Wendy was like, yeah, no, not going to play. He's about to go into the hall of fame. Fame he's not gonna come back and plays not in playing

shape lay off the burgers Wendy. Markets cousin is a great one for that conversation. Oh yeah Boogie could definitely get back out there. Zach Randolph? I saw Zach Randolph no. The lay off the burgers. When? No, I think this is, this is when horse said like basically scoffed at the fact that Dwight Howard would come back and Dwight Howard might be saying that because he's going to come back. What? So you're saying that that Steven A

Smith was right. When horse could, yeah, he's being mean. When I was couldn't believe that Steven A Smith suggested the Lakers could sign Dwight Howard. Like he's saying that Dwight Howard's retired. He's not capable of coming back. Right. But then we follow that. So then Dwight Howard's saying lay off the burgers, Wendy, meaning like he's offended that Winhorse thinks he couldn't come back. Yes. Right. Dwight Howard's saying that. But now Hank is taking that one step further and saying it's because Dwight is coming back that he took it so. No he's just being mean to Wendy.

Yeah I thought Windhorst said like Dwight Howard's coming back and he said lay off the burgers. No I'm not. No he's just saying Wendy's fat. But if you're Dwight Howard and you're sitting at home and you hear Stephen A. Smith mention your name you think about it. Yeah. Yeah.

If Stephen A. Smith's probably gonna be president. That's true. We're just gonna do that all the time. I think so. Either way, a rod and Mark Lurie, your official governors of the Timberwolves also hot seat court storming, because now the football is over. We're just gonna have this debate at any point. Did you guys see Van Vanderbilt actually doing a new rule? Would they do a minute timeout after the game? So lame. Wait, what do you mean? They pause, they basically, if Vandy has a big upset at home, they pause everything for

a minute after the game ends and then the kids are allowed to storm the court. Oh, so they're giving them a constructive school approved way. Yes. They set up like points of entrance for them. That they go in. It that they would double consent soon. Soon you're gonna have to like buy an extra ticket. Yeah. Storm the court afterwards. Yeah. Yeah. So and then my cool throne is Lane Kiffin because he's just embracing the fact that his

daughter's hot. I don't know if you guys saw but he just tweeted out an article Lane Kiffin's daughter Landry sleaze tiny shoestring crop top standing next to dad he tweeted the article so shout out lane kiffin yeah i mean he's just hitting it face on you know i guess so like here it is i mean you might as well just embrace it instead of fight it yeah it's better than being like if you were to tweet out my daughter's ugly yeah which which one would you rather have yeah Yeah, you'd just be like, hey, here it is. Oh, oh, Max, I got a stat for you that I'm looking at my bookmarks right now. You ready for this one? You like this one. If Nick Sirianni goes six and 11 and misses the playoffs for the next four years in a row, he will have just as many wins,

just as many playoff appearances, just as many Super Bowl appearances, and one more Super Bowl title in his first eight years than Kyle Shanann has in his. Look at that. That's just facts. Those are facts. You know, I said it to you, so. I know.

Right. But you're doing good. Oh, I also brought the boot. I was meaning to show that when I first came in. It smells horrendous. Yeah. But you have to show that when I first came in it smells horrendous Yeah, but you have to save it for next year, right? It might be do you think it's would you put it on for a Phillies run? No, you can't it's gotta be just birds, right?

Yeah, you don't want to overuse it. I think and then it runs out of power. That might be your must-win boot Yeah No, but then there's you're gonna I'm gonna be put into situations of if it loses Yeah, I think it's just playoffs just playoffs just playoffs playoffs because then you're gonna use that against me. No, no We never know what you talk just hit play off. It's a playoff max is getting a lot better at sniffing these things out That's a winner now entire thing. We're trying to do there. He's a win about McCarthy though No doing fake ads He's a winner now. He's a winner now. The entire thing we're trying to do there. He's a winner. Didn't sniff out McCarthy though. No.

Doing fake ads. What? No. Oh, he still doesn't know. Yeah. Oh, those were fake? Yeah. What do you mean?

He was having to do fake ads to make you do more shoeys out of the boot. Did not know that. That's the first I'm hearing of that. Did you text him to do that? No, he did it on his own. I think he actually, I don't think those were fake. No, they were fake. He texted us being like, I'm making him do a bunch of fake ads. That's not true. You can listen to Monday's part of my take when we say it on air and then we played the ads dove is real truly wasn't needed got it

He didn't call me he goes. Oh, is there CTA and then just hung up. Oh Yeah, yeah meaning like he was just he was just proving he was gonna call someone to pretend that it was real He did a very good job. Yeah Very funny Hank do you have any advice for max about how to how to establish a dynasty and what this off season is going to need to look like to continue this run? No, you've got to soak it in. Now you've just got to, you know, Max has kind of been a little bit scared, always worried, always not confident.

Now that you're the champions, you have to just be confident. You have to just say, wait, it's playoff time. Wake me up when the playoffs start. No matter what happens next year on this show, lose a couple regular season games, they start trying to get you trolling about Sirianni or Jalen Hurts as he washed Is he the guy wake me up when the playoffs start? Mm-hmm. I don't think I got that in my bag Okay, let's get to our interviews we got Adam Silver and then we have Joe Burrow. Okay, before we get to Adam Silver, we're brought to you by our friends at Morgan & Morgan. There's a reason why coffee is the first thing people reach for in the morning. Just like there's a reason why Morgan & Morgan is America's largest injury law firm.

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Go get them. That was good me your your Mike's the one max that's okay go check out tax act now all right here he is Commissioner Adam Silver okay we now welcome on a very very very special guests it is NBA Commissioner Adam Silver ahead of the NBA All-Star Game weekend in San Francisco. Mr. Commissioner, is that, should we call you Mr. Commissioner? We've never had a commissioner on before. Paul Rable. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Second commissioner. Yeah. I know Paul. Adam please. Okay. So Adam, thank you so much for joining us. I have to ask because we were very excited for this interview. What was the sell process for you to come on this

show? Did someone have to tell you like, hey, these guys actually aren't the worst? Because I can't believe you're on. We're excited to interview you. Well, I went to law school in Chicago. Okay. I worked in Washington, DC for years. So I know you guys are DC and Chicago guys. That was a big part of the selling point of coming on and you guys are fun to watch and listen to you guys do an incredible job. I appreciate it. Also, one of our producers is a big Duke fan basically went to Duke. So yeah, you've got connections everywhere on the show. Yeah, that helps. Yeah. All right. So, uh, all star weekend, how are we feeling going into all star weekend? I know you have tried to tinker with the All-Star game to make it better for fans. How do we

feel going into this one? I'm feeling good about it. I mean, one, I love the Bay area, you know, obviously four championships there since, since I've been commissioner. So I've spent a lot of time in the market and multiple finals appearances beyond that. Beautiful new arena in San Francisco. A new format that we've talked a lot about, where in essence working with the player association, we came up with this format where it's in essence around Robin, games to 40, then a championship.

So I think that's gonna be really exciting for the fans. And also for us, as important as the game itself is, it becomes the epicenter of the basketball world for that weekend. It's essentially Friday, Saturday, and Sunday of events, community events in Oakland and San Francisco, opportunity to see old friends that have been with the league for a long time.

And when you have a neutral site finals, you can't plan to gather there. So essentially, people who've been in business for us for a long time can mark their calendars, be in the Bay Area. Our international partners can all be there as well. So it's sort of a three-day long celebration of the game. And that, for me, is the best part about the whole long weekend. When did you come to the decision that the format of the All-Star game had to be changed? Was there one moment in the game last year where you're like, that's it, I can't go back?

I think it was when I was presenting the championship trophy on the floor at the end of last year's All-Star game. I think, like everybody, you know, was incredibly disappointed, at least speaking for the fans of the league office. It wasn't what we had hoped for. And then once I had an opportunity to talk to the players afterwards, I think they acknowledged as well, whatever happened, once they got out there,

there wasn't any real competition. This was in Indianapolis, like Larry Bird had talked to the team in advance. Julius Irving had, others, we thought we'd all come together with something that we thought would be effective. It obviously wasn't. I think then post-all-star game, talking to several of the players, the perennial all-stars who we knew

we'd be back, we said, look, we just gotta do a better job for the fans. We recognize that you just can't turn the clock back. You know, obviously the NFL and Pro Bowl went to flag football. Baseball's made some things done, done some changes to tweak their All-Star game. So I said, what can we do to make this exciting and entertaining for the fans? And this is how we came up with this new format.

Yeah, I got a really dumb question for you, but we're not the smartest guys. What, what exactly does a commissioner do day to day? What does your job look like day to day? Because I just would imagine it's just like watching the games and then waiting for someone to text you being like, we got a problem. That's the evening part of my job. The day part, it's more like a standard business job in many ways than people would think. I mean, it's, you've got 30 teams, of course, we've got the WNBA we're overseeing as well, the G

League, we have a league in Africa now, we're looking at opportunities in Europe, so part of it is planning for the future. Another aspect of it is just regulating this league. There's constantly things happening with teams, business decisions they're making that if you want to make sure everything's unified as a league, that you have to coordinate among the many teams. We have, you know, what I was mentioning before about people coming together in the Bay Area. We have literally hundreds of business partners,

you know, licensees who produce our products, broadcast partners, media partners who distribute our games, you know, more traditional sponsors like Pepsi and Amex broadcast partners, media partners who distribute our games, you know, more traditional sponsors like Pepsi and Amex and Gatorade and companies like that. And so a lot of it's in the relationship side, continuing to build those relationships with our partners, negotiating deals with them,

helping to plan for the future. It's also, we're a huge enterprise in terms of our budgets. And so I think more, that's the part where it's more like a standard job. Like we have thousands of employees and we have an HR department, a legal department, a marketing department. So also just bringing all those people together

and doing my best I can along with other colleagues just try to lead this enterprise. Do you spend any time in your day to day searching your name online? Because I think you are probably one of the people that gets the most unsolicited advice. You know I don't need to search because people seek me out and so it comes through emails, it comes through people forwarding me things that other people are saying we have our own communications department here who's

sending me things and and in all seriousness, I actually find it very helpful because if you work in an industry where you're so closely covered and you have fans in a section of the newspaper devoted to you, that you get a lot of unsolicited ideas. And so one, I think, when you look at things we've done over the last several years, the play-in tournament, the in-season tournament now

known as the NBA Cup. All those ideas came from, initially, outside of the league. And that's sort of, it's a question of processing those ideas. And also, there's, understandably, fans want changes. Some, you get criticism. You get, people feel good about certain things we're doing.

But I think it's my job to do the best I can to incorporate a lot of that feedback. And incidentally, when you have 30 teams, 450 players on the NBA side, I mean, part of my job is hearing directly from players. You know, I've been at the league for a long time, so when players are coming through New York and playing Knicks or the Nets, often they'll stop by the office,

and in those one-on-one conversations, I can get a better sense from them, you know, how they see the league. Also our players are also the age in many cases of our core demographics. So I'm always interested in how a 26 year old player is consuming the NBA. Are you watching games on your phone? What social media sites are you on? What podcasts like yours are they watching? So that's very helpful. And again, and it's not just Owners of 30 teams you have team presidents and GMs and coaches So lots of different constituent groups that are constantly, you know

providing feedback to the to the league office and sharing information with and and That adage has never been more true that two heads are better than one and I just find that like part of my job is to be a good listener and get advice from others and then then somehow filter that advice and figure out what's in the best interest of the league. What's the what's the dumbest idea that has gone from? Okay, that's a dumb idea to like, all right, we should actually think about this. Maybe it never even happened, but you at least paused and said, hey, just look at this for a second. You know, last time I got that question on a show like this, it was the question that

came from Dan Patrick. It was what was, what's the wildest idea you've gotten? And I said, 10 minute quarters. And I've been responding to questions at 10 minute quarters ever since. I'm going to be really careful how I, how I answer this question. I mean, I'd say, you know, the people have raised the issue around the size of the court and the height of the basket. Like, that's one. I think there have been various times along the way. I mean, it's interesting now that there's so much discussion about three-point shooting.

You guys probably remember, you know, it was a while ago, but maybe time flies. So more sort of in the mid 90s and later where there was a lot of criticism around the game because they thought people thought it become too physical and the game there was too much activity under the basket and that the players weren't as skilled as they used to be and that they'd lost the art of shooting. Yeah. And so you know and and at that time you know where there seemed to be a prevalence of dunking the thought was it's too easy to dunk. Yeah. And so it's quite remarkable then jump ahead till now where there seemed to be a prevalence of dunking. The thought was, it's too easy to dunk. Yeah, I've always said that.

And so it's quite remarkable then, jump ahead till now, where there's a lot of discussion around whether the players are frankly too skilled, that three point shooting has become so dominant, and that the level of difficulty in essence isn't high enough on some of those shots. So I can't say we ever seriously considered either raising the height

of the basket or widening the court, but those are issues that have come up over the years. I also think, you know, I'm trying to think of a particular example. I know that a lot of marketing ideas, I got one, you know, that I remember when teams first brought to the league the idea that we would put a brand on the uniform itself. And I remember at the time when we first discussed that, people said, and I wasn't commissioner yet when we first did that, David Stern was commissioner, but I was running the business side and people said, I can't believe you're going to make our players look like NASCAR, cars, et cetera, whatever. And I think that's become very accepted.

I think we did it in a fairly classy way. It's a relatively small logo on the team jerseys. But that not only has added a lot of value to the league, but for those companies that choose to put their logos on team uniforms, they become that much more engaged in the league. They're that much more incentivized to promote the league. And so it sort of becomes, you know, a virtuous circle of sort of promotion around it. So a few of those things, I think, you know, even looking at, I remember back in the day, in the 90s, early 90s now, when the continuous score clock was first proposed.

I remember Dick Eversol, still a close friend, was the executive producer, the president of NBC Sports. He opposed that idea, you know both for football and basketball I mean it's almost unimaginable to watch a sporting event now and think you got to wait, you know For however many minutes till the director decides, you know to show you the score again Yeah, remember in those days. I mean the initial idea was no We don't want to show a continuous core because if people tune in and they see it's a 10 point game or whatever, they'll tune out. Yeah.

And it took a long time. And again, that's one of those conventions. It's almost unimaginable now to watch a game where you can't see the score at any moment. And in my sense, there's, I think a lot's about to change on the production side. I mean, as games are shifting from what I would call traditional television, call that

broadcaster cable to streaming, it creates all these new opportunities, all these new capabilities of the streamers because of interactivity to do new things on the screens. And I think, you know, like for example, I understand the criticism now from people who don't like to see sports betting information during games, whether it's because they don't want it personally or they don't want their kids to be able to see it. I think we're not that far away where you're just gonna go click. And if you don't want any information about sports betting,

you won't have to look at it. On the other hand, if you're someone in a state where it's illegal and you can get a bet on sports, you'll see a lot more information if that's what you want. So I think things will become much more customized over time. Yeah. That was a very thoughtful, nuanced answer.

And the main takeaway is that Adam Silver has considered raising the basket and extending the three-point line. So in the past, you've thought about it. You have. That thought has crossed your mind. Here I go. Yeah. Have you thought about it?

I fell for it the second time. Listen, just throwing this out there, in baseball, every park is different. The Yankee Stadium they got the short porch. Have you thought about home teams getting to decide their own dimensions so like you go to Detroit and they've got eight foot rims you go to you go to you go to see play the Warriors and they've got their they've extended their three point line by three feet. So every game is different. It's like, Oh, we got to go play here. They're playing on 14 foot rims. That'd be fun.

I definitely can make some news with my answer to that one. I would say so. So no, for the record, I haven't thought about that, but it is an interesting comparison. You know, I will say this because you mentioned baseball talking about rule changes. I'm a huge baseball fan and I'm a big change, a big fan, I'm sorry, of the changes that they've made. Yeah. Like I think, you know, the pitch clock, you know, slightly enlarging the bases to make stealing easier and stuff like that. Like I've looked at those things, you know, and we've talked about that at the league office and with our competition committee. And when I think the most traditional in my mind of all sports,

you know, the most resistant to change the fact that they're making changes in that sport to keep up with the times. I'm not sure, you know, different basket heights and different arenas is the answer, but I think it just means we have to stay on our toes and be open minded about potential changes. By the way, just want to correct one thing. Technically, you have thought about changing the rims and the because we literally were just discussing it. So we'll put that out there. We incepted you have you have technically thought of it. Just through this conversation. We got you there. Yeah. So have you ever do ever hang out with other commissioners? You know, and just be like, Hey, Commissioner to Commissioner, here's something I'm thinking about a little bit. I don't know if they would describe it as hanging out. But I used to when I I first got to the NBA in the 90s, Gary Bettman still worked here. Yeah. He went to the NHL.

He worked for David Stern at the NBA. And we stayed close over the years. Roger Goodell and I, I knew him well even before he became commissioner, when Paul Tagliabue was commissioner. And he's been great. When I remember the first thing when it was announced I was commissioner, Roger was actually

one of the first people to reach out to me and said, you know anything I can share with you anything It'd be helpful with you So we're obviously competitors and in certain ways But I think we're all fellow travelers trying to help each other think this notion that you know A rising tide raises all boats that it's what's good for premium professional sports. It's good for all of us same with Rob Manfred I think I became commissioner right before he did good for all of us. Same with Rob Manfred. I think I became commissioner right before he did.

And we've compared notes on a lot of issues over the years. Again, as I said, I'm a big baseball fan. He's invited me over the years to a bunch of different events that I've been to with him. I've been to Yankee games here in New York with him. So yeah, we all talk to each other. I mean, everybody's running around slightly different seasons.

So we don't get to spend that much time together, but they're all great guys. And there's some battles and some problems that only a fellow commissioner might understand, I'm sure, that you go through. Do you, hypothetically, not talking about anything in specific, but hypothetically, do you have anything that's in place where you could potentially

deny a trade? If like a team wanted to send a superstar to another team, and maybe the return value on that superstar was not what would generally be expected. You talking about Kyle Kuzma? Yeah, so I'm a Wizards fan. I'm not sure what you're referencing.

Well, I'm a Wizards fan, and we just sent Kuzma. No, believe it or not. And there's some confusion. People have yelled out to me for some reason in the last week or so when I've been at games that I should be vetoing that trade the way David Stern vetoed a trade back in the old days and and there's always some confusion there. David never vetoed a trade that when he was the acting owner of New Orleans and the Commissioner at the time that he turned down a trade that was proposed to

him by the general manager of the team. But no, I mean the way we don't put a thumb on the scale, so to speak, that when a trade comes into the league office, what our sort of basketball and legal folks do is they make sure that that trade works under the confines of the collective bargaining agreement and whatever rules are in place. And then it's up or down.

It gets approved or not based on those rules. We don't get to weigh in on what we think the merits of the trade are or should be. Gotcha. I am going to miss Kuzma. Big Cat's right. That broke my heart. Did you at least text like a are you sure? No. Okay. Honestly, let's level. You were probably like, oh, Lucas going to LA, huge market. That's cool.

You know, honestly, and I promise, you know, look at the league right now that two clearly smaller market teams, certainly Oklahoma City and Cleveland's a little bigger than Oklahoma City, but not one of the bigger markets in the league, have the two best records in the league right now. And I think it's great. You know we've had six different champions over the last six years and you know this may sound obvious but I want all our teams to do well and be competitive and frankly Dallas is a big market and so you know was I surprised that he was traded from that standpoint yeah I'm a fan and that the teams don't necessarily give the league inside information on those kinds of things.

So that trade was, it wasn't one that I saw coming. And by the way, I love Luca. I've known him since the day he came into the league. He's obviously a great player. He's a great young man. And teams make these trades for reasons that in some cases only they know. They have inside information about a player.

They're living with a player. They have a particular style they want to play. They have a vision for what that team should become. And truly, only time will tell. I mean, the one thing I'll say, I haven't been with this league for a long time, like, truly nothing is written. People who say they can predict the future generally can't. And we'll see. I'm

sort of rooting for Dallas and I'm rooting for the Lakers. I'm rooting for Anthony Davis to recover quickly and be the all-star we know he can be and stay healthy for a long time. And I'm definitely rooting for Luca to demonstrate to the world what a great player he is in LA. OK. So we shouldn't come to Adam Silver for grading of trades because we like to, in sports media, like to just grade trades instantly and say that we're right and we know the future. You have your job and I have my job. My job is to make sure they comply with league rules. Yeah. You mentioned David Stern. I didn't

realize this, but you got into the NBA by writing a letter to a bunch of different people asking for advice and David Stern was one of those people who actually responded. Is that true? Because that's, that's a very cool story. It is true. So I was practicing law in New York, just had only been a lawyer for a few years and decided, I want to do something different. I wasn't, I'm still happy I went to law school.

It's been very helpful to me over the years. But I wrote David a letter. This is pre-internet, where you wrote letters and mailed them. And I actually was looking for advice. It wasn't so much that I thought I wanted to work at the NBA. And I'm always telling young people this story because it's so different these days where you can go on the internet and find out

all kinds of information about the NBA and what happens in the legal office. And there's all these sites where they rate people's jobs and they talk about whether they think they're fairly compensated and all that. I've seen none of that existed in those days. And so David was someone who had worked at a law firm in New York before he had made the transition.

He came over to the NBA as the general counsel before he was the commissioner. But I wrote him a letter saying, I'm also a lawyer in New York. I'd be interested in making the transition. I wasn't so sure that it would be to a sports league. And in fact, at the time, I worked for a law firm that was representing HBO. And I was fascinated with the media business.

And David, at that time, had recently done some of the initial cable deals, where it was the early days of TBS. And he had done a broadcast deal. Ted Turner was also an owner of the Atlanta Hawks. And he had done a deal with Ted Turner, put NBA games on TBS. And because I was doing a lot of work for HBO, David Stern's name kept coming up in the context of media.

So I wrote him a letter saying, I'm interested in making this transition. If you ever had time, I'd love to meet you and talk to you. I'd actually met him once before. He had worked at one point at the same law firm as my father. I didn't really know David. But the letter began, I am the son of such and such, and hoping that that would build a bridge to him.

I remember his, he called me. And I think in those days, too, you were used to sending a letter and not hearing back for, in some cases, weeks. Everything moved at a different pace. His assistant called me at some point and said he'd like to schedule time with you. And my office was in New York City.

I mean, where I am today in the NBA office is the same place as we were in the early 90s when Dave was commissioner. And I was just across town. An assistant called me, scheduled. And again, everything moved slower. It was like, you're free two weeks from Tuesday or whatever. And I came and saw him.

And he gave me some advice about how I might transition out of law. That's what I was interested in doing and some media advice and then I'll condense the story because I've already been long-winded. At some point he reached back out to me and said there's something I'd like to talk to you about and it turned out he was looking for an assistant and he ultimately hired me and my first job at the NBA was special assistant to the commissioner. Work for David. I was 30 years old.

So 32 years ago, I came to work here and then worked as an assistant, then became chief of staff, I mentioned. And I then went to what was the entertainment side of the business, ran a division called MBA Entertainment for years, deputy commissioner. And so this is my sixth job being commissioner. So I worked my way up the ladder here at the MBA for years. that's awesome. Very cool that he took the time to do that.

Yeah. Very very good. No it was by the way I have to say I mean you know David changed my life in so many ways and I had five different jobs before I was commissioner all of them working for David and I sort of would joke to people even when I was the deputy commissioner my job was still the special assistant right Stern right and I mean you guys everybody is that you know you may have had a chance to meet him over the years I mean he was full of life he was a genius when it came to sports marketing I think as much credit as he gets maybe not enough for transforming the whole industry not just the NBA just everybody's approach even I

remember when I came to work at the NBA, I mean, he was the first person who really thought of the NBA as a brand, as a brand marketer, even though his background was as a lawyer. I mean, now it's just a given that NBA is a brand, MLB, NHL, NFL, obviously, but it's like he had a whole different way, a whole different vocabulary of approaching sports.

And also I think about how much of my time now I spend on growing the game globally. I mean, David was so far vocabulary of approaching sports. And also, I think about how much of my time now I spend on growing the game globally. David was so far ahead of his time. And when I got to the NBA in 92, shortly thereafter was the Dream Team, which also transformed the NBA. One interesting statistic, at the time that I got to the NBA, roughly 5% of the players in the league were born outside of the United States.

Now it's around 30%. Wow. You know, you mentioned Luca or Giannis. You know, go down to Wemby. You know, now the Joker are very best players. Many of them are born outside of the United States now. And that pool of players, I mean, just you get a chance to watch some of the Olympics out

of Paris, that US Serbia game or game or the US-France game. You know, there's so much high level basketball being played around the world and David really had that vision that this could truly be a global game. Yeah. That's very cool. Well, while we have you here, I just want to give you a piece of unsolicited advice from me and take it for what you will, but I think a lot of people agree with me. One of the most frustrating things to watch in the NBA, and I love watching basketball,

but this is very frustrating when players are obviously flopping and embellishing fouls. Is it in consideration to make embellishment, flopping, reviewable, technical foul, cut and dry, don't do it because it's tough to watch on TV? Well, so, you know, it was only a year ago or two years ago, we added the ability to call a technical in-game for flopping. So that was a change in rules, a new rule that we did, modeled a little bit after the FIBA rules, the international basketball rules. And we have a provision where we do review after the fact.

Obviously, we want finality in the game, so we're not going to go back and change scores or anything. But guys can be fined after the fact. Obviously, we want finality in the game, so we're not going to go back and change scores or anything. But guys can be fined after the fact. And at least according to our own sort of reviews of the games, we've cut back considerably on flopping. It's still, I will say that for my European colleagues, European friends, there's a tradition in European soccer,

global soccer, of flopping. It was sort of, to me, brought to the NBA stylistically by a lot of the international players. A lot of them grew up as soccer players. We've tried to crack down on it. You know, it's, again, I think we've made progress. My sense is that as various forms of replay get better and get faster, you know, look, the problem is by definition

you're fooling the ref and if you get away with it, you know, especially in real time, you get there. All you can do after the fact is potentially find the players. But, you know, and I think you said it, it's the embellishment is the hardest, because now they're teaching in youth basketball is, you want to demonstrate to the officials, at least the way they're taught, is to embellish that the official clearly sees. So you're often seeing somebody shoved, and they're going flying backwards.

And then, so the official in real time. And I understand, too, player frustration, fan frustration, sometimes with the officiating, we're doing everything we can to make it better. But when I watch the officials, it's remarkable to me what they can do in real time. I mean, when you think in a split second, and the speed of the game of making those calls,

and then add flopping on top of that, or embellishment, that they're supposed to be able to discern the difference, and the amount of force that's going into be able to discern the difference and the amount of force that's going into a push and the reaction from the players. I will say that technology, the changes in technology, will help us there. I mean, just shifting slightly doesn't go directly to flopping.

But guys are constantly trying to fool the officials when, who did it touch last? They're pointing and et cetera, that we're not that far away from having technology where just like you think in tennis, where there's an automated call as to whether the ball was inside the line or outside the line. You know, it's this technology called Hawkeye,

it's owned by Sony. We're working with Sony also to bring that to basketball so that whoever's, you know, I think there's 100 fingers on the floor at any given time, various body parts, you know, to instantaneously show who the ball went out on, you know, if somebody's foot was on the line, anything that can be objectively determined,

goaltending, et cetera. And I think that will allow, so one, there'll be a whole category of calls that will be objectively right or wrong, and will speed up the game from that standpoint. But just as importantly, for those more subjective calls, the officials won't have to both be looking at somebody's feet to see if they touch the line

and their hands at the same time. They can really focus on what is truly subjective. And I think we'll be able to do a better job sort of discerning whether there's some kind of embellishment going on. So if the standard is perfection, we've got a long ways to go. But I think we've made improvements there.

Have you thought about maybe making the standard not perfection? And I say that in that I think you've you've talked about this before the review system games slow down at the end. It's a really hard watch for people and we want to watch the action. What about just doing a week where there's no reviews and every team knows it and it's like hey we're not doing any instant replay. We're not doing any reviews. The call on the court stands and just see how the game flow goes.

It's interesting to say that, like number one, we did, you know, a couple of years ago, we changed the format at the end of the game, we reduced the number of timeouts and we reduced the ability for officials to go to discretionary reviews. I mean, you'll recall just a few years ago, virtually every play towards the last two minutes, you know, the players were going like this, you know. So we added one more coaches challenge, you know, but we reduced those discretionary reviews. And I think that's made a big difference. And to your point, I've had many players and coaches tell me over the years that they would prefer speed to accuracy in certain cases, because especially near the end of the game, when there's those long reviews, guys are literally

getting cold standing there, getting out of rhythm. And they just assume, say, all right, red ball, and move forward and move on, as opposed to waiting for the endless reviews. And as I said, I think back to the technology, that some people also don't like that we might have a different standard in the last two minutes.

But look, when you have a game like basketball where there's a lot of scoring, even if there's a bad call in the second quarter, you can make up for it over the course of the game. But you can't necessarily in the last two minutes. So I'm in favor of there potentially being more scrutiny. But as I was saying, if you can use technology and take a

whole category of calls off the table and that they're now objective, I think we can reduce the number of replays. Because also in those calls, just like in tennis, you'll see sort of the quick animation. I think you need transparency. People don't want to just be told bull's ball. They want to know what happened. And just like in tennis, you ding, ding, ding, ding,

you'll see some animation. You'll see what's going on. But then, and also, if you think back, like some early days in tennis, there was a lot more arguing with the officials. And now, once you see that animation, you know, and there's an ooh and an ah from the fans that just barely touched the line or whatever else, but you know, it's play on. And I think everyone would prefer that. Yeah. Just think about No Review Week. It'd be a whole event. whatever else but you know, it's play on and and and I think everyone would prefer that Yeah, just think about no review week. It'd be a whole right. We could just be like, hey, it's no review week Yeah, suck it up. Yeah, this is kind of a fun thing I'm thinking about it. Does that mean it's under consideration?

Yeah, you've already thought I don't consider. Yeah. Yeah, you just have every ref to say life isn't fair. Yeah, right You know, it's interesting though, but I you you know, I've actually made that point, not using those same, same language, but you know, human error is part of this game. Yeah. It's certainly part of the game when a player misses a shot, somehow it gets lost sometimes that it's also part of the game when an official makes a mistake. Yeah. And, and I get it.

And if an official makes too many mistakes, they can't be an official in this league. But you're right, perfection can't be the standard. There are going to be mistakes. And I think, and often what separates the best teams is their ability to move on from that mistake. And I'd just lastly say, we have seven game series in playoffs. And I think that, as I think some of the best basketball minds in the league will say, it's highly likely that at least

for that week or two weeks, the team is gonna win the seven game series Yeah, yeah, regardless of the officiate also a bad call gives us something to yell about the day after the show Yeah, right. So we will be screaming we if you just make it perfection it's like where the dog that was chasing car and then we catch those trades we were talking about that and And then we catch it. We just saw in those trades we were talking about that NBA seems ready made for social media. Yes. Yes.

It does. It does. Has there been any consideration to adjusting the league schedule? I know it's been in place for a long time. In the general format that it's in, but waiting and starting the year on maybe Christmas Day and extending it at the end.

There has been. I mean, that is one thing that we have thought a fair amount about, and we've looked at different proposals. And I think for a lot of people, you're right, that there was always this notion that we, you know, in the old days, we would start on NBC on Christmas Day. We'd start on network television Christmas Day, sort of, you know, the regular season of the NFL had wound down. People could now move their attention, the NBA.

The issue we have there is one of moving into the summer. And by the way, things are changing so rapidly, culturally, in terms of viewership and everything else, that no idea is ever completely dead. But at least historically, the thought was we wanted our season to be over by July 1, in essence. And we're sort of working backwards. If you're going to get the draft in the last week of June,

and you're going to therefore start the finals, anticipating you potentially could have a seven game finals, it means you've got to start roughly June 1, working backwards. That's how you end up with a training camp in October season. It starts roughly the beginning of November. People's television habits have changed dramatically. I think in large part, we all reach in for my phone.

We all carry a TV with us everywhere we go now. Look at the kinds of things I would put you guys in the category of non-traditional media. The amazing popularity now of podcasts like yours, people's enormous amount of time looking at screens, listening to audio feeds of things. The other thing about us moving into July is sort of, let's just say, OK, you can move the finals into July.

Then we have our summer league. And part of it, it's actual consideration. When do they get vacation? And part of it is, it's always, in our tradition, this league, you're sort of the equivalent of a summer vacation that matches up with family vacations. Even once summer league ends,

it's sort of the third week of July, things can settle down a little bit for the last part of July and August. And now I'm not talking about the league office, largely for the players and the rest on their body and everything else. So I will say, I think all these things we will continue to look at.

I don't think in the short term we'll do it. I just last say, I mean, there used to be this notion. In television, they called it hut levels, households using television. That traditionally, because of some vacation and things, that once you got to July 1st, there were fewer people watching television which why, again, historically, you know, all the prime time shows, you know, when we were younger, would launch in the fall. You could almost think of the beginning of the NFL season was when the shows would launch.

I think though now, as I said, like people's television habits have changed dramatically. Like streaming has changed a lot of those conventions. Like new shows launch on Netflix all the time. You know, in July, nobody thinks twice about it. So I think these are all things that we'll continue to look at. All right, so I got one last question for you. This has been so much fun, NBA All-Star Weekend this weekend. My last question is a row back question, r-h-o-b-a-c-k dot

com promo code take, 20% off your first purchase, q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback.com promo code take. I have to pitch you my one idea that I've had for many years and you got to think about it. And I don't need credit for it when you actually enact it. So there's obviously been issues at times with fans getting a little unruly, maybe talking too much to the players, that whole experience. My rule is very simple. Every single player when the season starts gets one chance to call out

any fan they want and they just get to beat the fuck out of them in the middle of the court. And once they use it, they can't use it again for the rest of the year. Thoughts on that rule? Not a good idea. Okay, but listen, no, but no, you're not seeing the vision. When you on that rule? Not a good idea. Okay. But no, you're not, you're not seeing the vision. You get, when you go, when you see Kevin Durant, you decide to say something really like mean to him. You're like, wait, does he have his one fight a fan left this year? You lost me on the beat the shit out of him part. Yeah. Well, I was with you up

to like, all right, you can single out one fan and then we'll review that fan's conduct. Think about the ratings though. Mr. Commissioner, think about the ratings. They're like, oh my God, we're going to Sacramento and you know, DeMar DeRozan has called out someone from the 10th row and they're about to fight in the middle of the, they're stopping the game to fight. We'll bring a cage.

Yeah, sure. Of the arena. Is the fan allowed to fight back? Yes. Yes. So that's also part of it Like you know, I didn't fully consider your yeah You call out someone with cauliflower ears and you might be you might have been asking for too much You making fun of my ears? No, you have cauliflower ears, but I have made fun of your ears in the past. I'm sorry I know guys

long time listener Well, yeah, you can listen to anything I apologize. Long time listener. Well, yeah, you can listen to anything. Sorry, you put you out of the way. Sorry. I walked into that. Or maybe at least just allowing fights like in hockey.

Yeah. Like blow it up. Yeah. You know, I will say I'm a New Yorker, I'm a Rangers fan and go to games occasionally. And as you guys remember, there was that error, again, back to the 90s, where there was a fair amount of fighting in the league, and David Stern, you know, he cracked down on it.

You know, we had automatic suspensions walking off the bench and all that. And it's still surprising me to this day when I go to a hockey game, and they face up, and the official step back. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and I get, I mean, there's, you know, it's part of the culture of hockey. And I know I've heard the arguments that by having

allowing players to fight things out in that way actually cuts down on violence in certain cases by having enforcers and everything else. It's obviously so foreign to the NBA, but you know, based on the idea you're sharing, think about it. I'll share it with Gary Bepman too. Maybe just bring fans in as well. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's happened before Ty Domi in the pillory box. We had a lot more dumb ideas that maybe next time you come on, we can pitch you because I know that we had a ton of them.

So maybe we'll just do an entire podcast where we give you the dumbest ideas. All right, I'm available. I did have a fix for the All-Star weekend. It was just in line with the LeBron Bronny thing that the winning team gets automatically their first born gets a one year contract in the NBA. That's a good idea too.

That's a pretty good idea. That's a good idea. Or you know what I was gonna pitch him, which I won't pitch him, but I was just gonna pitch him rigging the draft. Oh, yeah. That would be a smart idea. That would be a good thing to do.

For which team? For the Wizards, Cooper flag to the Wizards. Yeah. You know, I'm a Duke guy. Cooper's unbelievable. He's great. He's great. We would take such good care of him in DC. You're also a DC guy. Yes, there you go. All right. Well, commissioner, thank you so much. We really appreciate it. Hopefully you enjoyed this and we can add you on again. And like I said, we'll, we'll do an episode, special episode where we just give you the hundred dumbest ideas we've ever thought of and

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here is Joe Burrow. Okay we now welcome on a very special guest. It is our good friend Joe Burrow who should be the MVP this year but he's here promoting the FedEx Erring Ground NFL Player of the Year where you are nominee. Joe, good to see you. This is the first time we've all been together in New Orleans since we, since you won the national championship. It's good to see you somewhat sober right there. Yeah, I feel great right now. I couldn't say the same five years ago. Yeah, but you are, you are a nominee for FedEx, Aaron Ground, NFL player of the year.

I'll confidently say I feel like you reminded everyone about Joe Burrow because we had that conversation in June that people forgot about Joe Burrow. I don't think people forget about Joe Burrow anymore. I agree. I think I had a great year. I think I had my best year as a pro. I'm excited for, I think there's another level

that I can hit, so I'm excited to go and hit that next year Okay, what's the next level? Be better better better than this joe. Yeah so like 7 000 yards 7 000, I mean the stats are stats are going to fluctuate year to year really and It just kind of depends on how The year is going how each individual game is going,

because you could throw for four touchdowns in the first quarter and then the game's over, but you threw for 170 yards and now you're not really throwing it anymore. So it kind of just depends on the year, but just playing better really. If you have a great game, let's say you throw for like 400 yards, four touchdowns, hypothetically something like that, and you end up losing that game, you feel bad afterwards, I'm sure, because you want to win how Long does it take for you through that week to be like, you know what? I'm actually pretty happy with my performance It's definitely better than throwing for 150 and losing

I Would say it kind of just depends on how you feel like you played You know, sometimes you could throw for a lot of yards, but then you missed a couple early in the game, you missed a couple late in the game, you made a couple bad decisions, you don't really feel like you played great, but most of the time when you throw for 400,

you feel pretty good about it. Yeah. We keep waiting for old Norm Van Brockland's record to fall. You're going to have to... 550 yards passing in the game. Oh, yeah. It's kind of crazy that it had, I think it's 545, baby. It hasn't happened in like 50 years.

And with the NFL being so pass heavy right now, you keep hoping like one of these days, a quarterback will throw for 550. I'd like it to be you. Yeah, I got to 525 in 2021 against the Ravens. So I'm third. I think I'm third on that list. But it would be nice to have a five 600 yard

game would be pretty cool. Yeah, I dare you do. My homes had like a 700 yard game in college. Yeah. Yeah. At Oklahoma. That was crazy. That box scores a very fun box where you're just like, Oh shit. Um, were you in the zone at all this year? Because it feels like you were. There was that, I want to call it like five, six, seven game stretch where it was just like write it down, two, 75, three touchdowns every single week.

Yeah, after the first Baltimore game, I feel like I was pretty dialed in for the rest of the year. Yeah, yeah, because you could kind of tell. It was just like, I don't want to say it was on easy mode for you, but you could tell of tell it was just like I don't want to say it was on easy mode for you But you could tell me if you if you ever felt like that, maybe it's a better way to say it is You just it felt like you saw everything so perfectly for that stretch is it was moving slow for me It definitely felt easy at times

then definitely didn't feel easy at times too, but That's how that's how life in the NFL goes yeah yeah and tonight you've got the NFL honors good luck thanks I think statistically a lot of people would say Joe Burrow could be the MVP but more importantly what are you gonna wear to this I'm gonna fit plan I've got a nice aloe suit planned yeah anything shocking no shirt underneath is that the place in California with like the saunas and stuff correct yeah I don't let guys like us I'm sure they would let you in if you absolutely came with me oh no way they're

just like can you just wait at the car I see those videos it's just all hot people I mean maybe yeah in a nice way you can for that sir two homeless people just followed you in would you like us to arrest them? Yeah, how is not for us? Do you regret any of your fits this year the Ellen DeGeneres one? Which one was that I was though the pink shirt with the white vest and the white pants I wasn't my best. Okay. All right. Good. All right. I feel good the white pants. That wasn't my best. Okay. All right. Good. All right. I feel good. I was asking about it, but that one you got roasted. Probably my least favorite of the year. Okay. I wore a lot of pink this year, but I feel like I felt pretty

good about most of them. I would say now we've always wondered like what, when you wear a fit like that and then you lose, you, you go straight to sweats right after, right? Or do you go back into the fit? I think it just depends on the game. Okay. If it's a, if it's like a playoff game and we lose, I'll probably wear the fit to the press conference because one year cam wore a suit to the Superbowl and then they lost and then didn't wear it to the press conference and people felt weird about that.

Yeah, I actually respected that. I think you should have like a say you should. Maybe you should have like a clown suit if you lose. You actually put on a costume. That's not that's not a bad idea. Flags it away from you. Yeah. What if the NFL made that a rule? If you lose, you have to wear the clown suit to the press conference. Big red nose.

Yeah, I kind of like that. No, you and I actually have a little bit in common Joe. We've both been victims of crime this year I had all my clothes stolen my front porch and Why was it on your front porch? Well, I did I sent away for laundry because it was a long weekend of football So I wasn't home to do the wash but I had two big-ass bags of clothes that just got stolen off my front porch and I lost basically all my clothes. I've been trying to dress like you. Do you have any advice for me? Like do you have a stylist that you use? Because I feel like now I'm 40 I got to level up a little bit. I got to start you know stunting on these hoes a little bit.

So yeah who's your stylist and can they also give me some help? His name is Kyle Smith. He does he does great. We he just brings some stuff and I tell him if I like it if I don't like it and if I'm gonna wear it or if I'm not gonna wear it. Okay that's pretty easy. You think I could pull off some of those fits? 100%. When people say like oh you look like Ellen DeGeneres in this or whatever like they say that about me but in like a bad way. Yeah. With you it's like yeah, you can look like a lesbian be hot with me It's like you look like a fool. Yeah, yeah when people people people say that like it's a Like a derogatory comment like right like lesbians don't dress well. They dress really well. Yeah, they do minus Ellen DeGeneres

I don't think she dresses great. Well, maybe she doesn't dress exactly like maybe somebody that's Well, maybe she doesn't dress exactly like maybe somebody that's Listen my dress my my stylus is like the same for pop-up ads I get on Instagram and then I buy it and I'm like Oh sure. Do you have this sure? I think every time I've ordered something on Instagram. It's never come. Yeah I just look at like one flannel shirt in early October and then the rest of the winter I'm just buying flannel. You're a big flannel guy? I know but I Just buy the pop-ups. Oh, that's a yellow one. Oh, that's a green one. Oh shit. I don't have this one It comes it looks exactly like the other one I usually buy something in September and then I spend the next four months just tracking it from China as it's making its way here

It's like on a boat somewhere crossing Taiwan. I'm like, I'm never getting that. You get it in two years. Yeah, exactly. What? So this season was obviously disappointing for you guys, but how, how is it like when you're, when you get into a season and you're playing great, but the team is losing, like trying to figure out like, what's that like in the locker room when it's like, you know, the defense went through some struggles start playing well at

the end like is it is it awkward is it hard I don't really understand the dynamic and how it works yeah I would say it's tough to describe because you're obviously I mean you're in it as a team so everybody's down in the dumps right in the locker room It's not like oh Where are the offense we scored 30, but we lost like we're happy like nobody's happy about that And there were definitely games that the offense could have closed it out in which we didn't But When you're playing, you know, like I said, I felt like I had my best

year as a pro and so I was happy about that. Week in and week out is pretty frustrating. I've never had a year like this. So it was mentally taxing and challenging to continue to stay disciplined and consistent week in and week out, day in and day out. But at some point you just realize that this is your job and that's what you do. And if I'm gonna continue to play as good as I want to, then I'm gonna have to keep doing these things daily

to put myself in the best position to succeed. Yeah, it sounds like you guys are a lot more mature than us because we just finger point instantly, like literally if something, I mean, you walked into it a little bit with the QB skills competition we did last night. We just spent the last two hours just sitting in this room, just finger pointing. Yeah, that's hilarious. You can't do that in the pros. Well, Hank is really bad.

And as a quarterback, like me and big cat, our salaries depend on a guy like the quarterback, right? We're not, if he's making us look bad then it's like what are we gonna do we're just gonna we're gonna become divas so you guys are receivers well we could be we're just divas oh yeah without we're like diva wide receivers except we're not good at playing wide receivers like if you said if you said to your huddle you're like hey I got us guys let's go on a drive and then you went three for 57 yeah they would probably lose a little trust in my abilities yeah

that's a good point yeah trust you said something in pro bowl week your wrist is still a little funky I mean I wouldn't say funky but whenever you have a ligament injury your joint is gonna take around two years to get all the mobility back and everything that you feel like you need and you still had the best year as a pro So yeah, he is going for 7k this could be like rookie of the year situation Like I mean healed have you ever seen that movie no kid that that breaks his arm all of a sudden He can throw like 98 miles an hour. Oh, that would be great. If you have a ligament injury Maybe just made you a better quarterback. I hope so. Does it feel good right now?

It feels good right now. There were a couple times I fell on it during the year it didn't quite feel as good I would say and Kind of just dependent on the day, but we got into a good routine at the end of the year to Feel as good as I could by Sunday having a fully healthy offseason though. That'll probably be nice for you Yeah, I haven't had a ton of those I Think that'll just help me level up even more because I'm not going to be focused on rehab and everything I'm just focused on quarterback specific things working out getting my body the way that I want to for for the year. So I'm

excited about that. Yeah have you thought about maybe telling coach Taylor like I've been thinking about it a lot for the Bengals specifically like a hypnotist comes in and Convinces the whole locker room that week one is actually week four and you've already started o and three. It's not a bad idea Yeah, right because I feel like the Great greatest starts in my career I would say so hopefully we can figure out a way to change that. A hypnotist might not be a bad idea. Yeah, the urgency, because I have power ranking.

I have a computer that does power rings every week. And it never gave up on the Bengals, because I was just like, well, Joe Burroughs there. And they're going to figure it out. And it was close. It was close. You guys came so close. Once we hit four and eight, that was tough to come back from.

Yeah, the four and eight, it was just every week was just like shit. Every week felt like a heartbreaker. Yeah. You go back. I would get back to my house and be like, how the fuck did we lose that game? Yeah. All right. So we need a hypnotist or something. What you could do is you could just play all your starters throughout the preseason. Yeah. And just lose those games. That's not a bad idea.

And then week one is literally week four for you. I'm pro playing in the preseason I would say. Did you play you didn't play this last played like seven snaps. Okay. Was that over seven if you were Hank? Yeah. What does that feel like in going out for preseason game? You're like, you're gonna go on the field and you're gonna take two snaps hand the ball off twice and then leave the field. Yeah, it's weird because you're not game planning the opposing

team. Like you'll watch a couple snaps of their defense before the game, but you're going out there and it's like, I wonder what they're going to play because you don't really know, especially if it's a team that you haven't played before or a coordinator that you haven't played before. So it's the offense is at a disadvantage in the preseason. So I always feel bad for these young quarterbacks that go into the preseason and they play like shit because you're not going to play well in the preseason because your coaches aren't game planning their defense and you're just running out and running your training camp plays against a defense that those plays aren't built for right and so when guys when people come out of prison like this guy stinks

Well, it's not exactly the case We do it the other way sometimes where somebody will be really good in the preseason and we like that guy should start Yeah, like Kyle Slaughter. He was a preseason legend for a long time as a backup I don't think he ever played a snap Could he run? Yeah, he could run a little bit a lot of running quarterbacks excel in the preseason I would say yeah, and you always think like going to the season man. This guy should be getting snaps over Patrick Mahomes Yeah, this guy's way better You're you're running. I feel like you had a couple big runs this year You ever when you whenever you get out in the open field, you're like, oh fuck. I made a mistake

Yeah Whenever you get out in the open field, you're like, oh fuck. I made a mistake Yeah Yeah, I don't think I've ever really felt that way, okay, I'm getting better Sliding and protecting myself. Yeah, and I'm getting more agile. So I'm making some more people miss getting a little faster I'm gonna continue to work on that. So I'm just gonna feel better and better about it. You are getting faster That's crazy. You've got to get faster. Yeah. You've got slower every day of my life. You just have to run fast.

You got a very long slide. Now I've noticed. Yeah. You go like seven yards on a slide. I know I haven't quite perfected it. Like Lamar will do some like weird stuff and then get down without getting hit. I'm not, I don't have that in me

I don't think so. I'm just gonna do the baseball slide. I'd like to not go as far I would say but I feel like my Slide into Knee into the ground pop up. It's good. It's cool. It's good Lamar likes to dive at people's knees Yes, that's which is like a pretty effective way. I think, to avoid because when he gets close to people, everybody just breaks down because they're so worried about him making a miss. Right. So then he starts going like that. And then everybody stops and then he just goes, he gets everyone on their

heels. Yeah, I don't get anybody to stop like that. Do you ever do you ever like, learn new moves for open field running? Definitely. Like you watch YouTube and you're like, okay, I could do this or I mean, more so like I practice it walking around like I'll be walking through a hall or like in my house and I'll like try something like a spin I'm working on a spin move right now the euro stuff that yeah just euro stepping random people on the street yeah exactly do you have a just guys being dudes where I just cross me yeah any pets I don't have any pets I

had pets when I was little though I had had a cat, I had two turtles, I had two frogs, and I had a lizard. Whoa. Whoa, it's kind of freaky. That's borderline kind of a weirdo kid. I know. Yeah. If you went snake, if you added one more snake,

we'd be like, uh oh, this isn't funny anymore. Yeah, I used to love going to the pet store and getting the crickets and feeding them to my lizard. Yeah. Wait, what was your lizard's name? Lizzie. Okay. That's good. That's solid. Smart. Yeah. If you had a dog you could just juke out your dog. Dogs are too much for me. Yeah. I like being around dogs,

but I couldn't live with a dog. I don't think. You think you just love it too much. I think they're just too in your face. They do like to be in your face. Like it's true. Just do your own thing for a little bit. If you were a dog or a cat, I would say Joe Bur your face. That is true. Just do your own thing for a little bit. Yeah, that's a cat. You're a cat. Yeah, yeah. If you were a dog or a cat, I would say Joe Burrow cat. Yeah.

For sure. I know you're going to be asked this a lot, because obviously T Higgins is a free agent. And they're going to be like, hey, Joe, will you take a restructure of your deal? I'm not going to ask if you're going to restructure your deal. I'm going to actually ask, what does that mean, restructuring a deal? Can you explain going to ask if you're going to restructure your deal. I'm going to actually ask what does that mean restructuring a deal? Can you explain to us like we're five? Yeah,

so you could do a couple different things. You could convert some of the money to a signing bonus, which will lower the cap hit. You can push some of the money to the back end of the contract. And then when you get to the, that lowers the cap. And then when you get to the back end of the contract and then when you get to the that lowers cap it and then when you get to the back end of the contract you can restructure it and convert it to a signing bonus okay and then you can also just take less money and which one were you gonna do we'll see okay I don't like what big cats doing Joe I think that you deserve every penny that you've signed for you don't have to restructure anything don't feel like oh I have to keep T around it's not your responsibility that's on the team.

I think T is entitled to make his money, but you're entitled to make your money too, Joe. Don't listen to this guy. Restructure. This guy's big business right now. You don't take any less money, right? You just get. You could.

OK. You could, but most of the guys just convert it to. To signing bonus. Yeah. Is that how you would do that? I would do that. OK. OK. I don't like what he's that. I would do that. Okay. Okay.

I don't like what he's doing. He's putting pressure on you. You should feel entitled to the money that you've earned. It is a weird situation though that you're in because I think that's just part of what happens with quarterbacks where it's like there's a little more pressure on them where they have the biggest deal. So if they want to get flexibility,

a lot of times it comes down to the quarterback to have to be the guy who has to step up and do that. Yeah. At the same time though, the, this was the last year that all the COVID like cap money restrictions across the league were implemented. So the next like three or four years, I think the caps gonna just caps going up the caps going out. Okay. We just keep saying caps going up, caps going on. Okay, we just keep saying caps going up caps going to Higgins and went up like 8% last year. It'll probably be similar. You've not more. You've definitely crunched. You've definitely like been laying in bed late at night, just

looking at like a spreadsheet being like, okay, all right, you got going up. You understand the cap. I mean, not really kind of because we don't think that it exists way more than we do. Well, definitely some teams seem to make it feel that way. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the Saints have just pretended it doesn't exist for a while. And the Eagles are paying everybody. Yeah. Yeah. So that seems like the way whatever they're doing.

I feel like adjusting the salary cap is like the final boss of how many different things can we change because of covid? Yeah. It's like COVID happened, okay, well, we're gonna have to redo the NFL salary cap. We need to make some changes there. It's weird in baseball, you have no, I don't know what the, but some teams are paying like nothing

and some teams are paying like $500 million. I don't think that's the way to do it. And the Shohei contract, it's like $ million dollars, but he just gets two million dollars Yeah, we'll just we'll pay you in like 50 years I don't understand any of that. Yeah, what was the deal was the deal with? That he got into some controversy. Yeah, his translator eBay might have a gambling problem I figured you guys would know that ins and outs of that. Maybe, perhaps. Yeah, it was a situation.

It's good to have a translator, because that person is the ultimate fall guy. I didn't even understand what you guys were saying. I can't even answer your questions right now. What is this? We were joking. At the time, it would be so funny if it all happened and Shohei was like Kaiser Soze and just

had a New Jersey accent and just started talking in perfect English. I was like, I've been playing all you fuckers. You should get a translator. That would be awesome. Yeah, yeah, that would be cool. That way that person does all your interviews. You just sit next to them, checking DraftKings. I'm gonna put it in a parlay here. Okay, good, good, good. Yeah, so this has been a fun year for you. In other ways, maybe not so much, but this offseason,

what are you doing to like improve your game? You're getting faster, I know that, but like is there anything that you work on in the off season and you say I'm gonna focus on this? I think I'm at the point of my career where I'm not really, there's not really anything that I'm like okay this needs to get better, this is like I feel like I'm pretty well rounded and everything is pretty dang good. But when everything's pretty dang good or great, you can always continue to improve those things and get better at them. So I'm kind of just always improving a little bit of everything, strength, speed, mechanics,

movement, efficiency, you know, all those things. I like that. Just do exactly what you've been doing, but do it harder. Yeah. Or, you know, when I noticed that as you get older, you don't quite, you know, you put the same time in the off season,

but when you get to the season, you don't have to quite grind as much because you've seen so much football now and you've played most of these defensive coordinators before and they're all, they're doing the same stuff. You know, there's little game plan things here and there but you know, you've seen most of the defenses. What's your hair plan for next year?

That's a good question. I have a suggestion. I don't know what I'm gonna do yet. I don't really know what I'm gonna do until like a couple days before I do it Yeah, I would say I kind of want to grow it out a little bit, but we'll see what about a mullet I've thought about the mullet. You should do a mullet You know, I thought about the mullet when I was in college because I grew my hair out in the off seasons in the college in college So I was gonna go mullet into my last year at LSU.

That would've been a fun year to have a mullet, but you just have to grow it out so much. And then, I don't know, we'll see. Yeah, I mean, your hair seems to grow fast though. Cause when you shave it, it's like four weeks later, it's like, oh yeah, remember when Joe shaved his head a month ago and now he's got normal hair? Yeah, it grows very fast.

So that shady look was interesting. I thought that that was intentionally done for pre-season and that you would dye it back once the regular season started. Well, I did it because I wanted frost tips. But I've never seen frosted tips look good if you just go to the salon and get them. So I just went brute force,

shaved it, dyed it and then let it grow out. So then I had the frost. Yeah. Um, alright. So I know you got to run cause you got a bunch of stuff going on today, but I got one last question. Row back question, r h l b a c k dot com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, row back.com promo code takes. So I know you're doing a bunch of interviews today. I also know you're not really big on social media.

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a hundred years. What does that mean? I think it's a woman who thinks you're very attractive. So just take that with you. Just take that with you. That's nice little, you know, pull up the ego. Nice little confidence booster. I appreciate that.

I need him in ways that would set feminism back a hundred years. I saw another one from a similar account that said, God made men and then sent us Joe Burrow as an apology. Yeah, wait Okay, okay Doesn't sound like questions there's a rollback statement. All right. Well, great seeing you, Joe. Thanks so much. Thanks, man. Joe Burrow was brought to you by Uber Eats. It's winter and you can now get

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to bring it up in hot sea cool thrown but I forgot Montoya. My toy. He's going through hell. He went through it again. Dude there. I said last night it's a show. It's a it's a Spanish. It's like the crazy show of all time. It's a fuck show. Well it's temptation island. Spanish version and Montoya for anyone who hasn't followed he has the worst ROI of all time on a lap dance because he got a lap dance and then his girlfriend on the other island decided to just spend the next like week fucking this random guy getting the bongos played on her ass and Montoya has to watch all of this happen And he's just I mean credit to Montoya he is, he's great on camera. He just basically imagine if you're long is this relationship

ago, if you're like, he it's Montoya's basically, um, if you were watching the world cup and a player just lost in a terrible, terrible way and you know how soccer players are usually like very animated, that's Montoya every episode watching his girlfriend get smoked. This guy, this guy absolutely hates it when his girlfriend cheats on him. Yeah. And just like any really watching her go to town. The one that I saw today, they were under the covers and they include, I think they might've like added in sound effects. Yeah. Because that smack sound, she was getting it in to the wall Hey guys, I need your help picking out a Valentine's Day gift for my fiance in the past

I've made gotten my fiance sentimental things But I don't think guys really like that stuff and I don't expect him to tell me that if he really doesn't If I were you all If it were you all what are some things you would all actually enjoy getting that aren't basic? Thanks. And go Dukes. Cash. Go do my answers. Always cash. I think a good one for girls is just like whatever sports seem more fine, like a retro shirt or hat or something. Okay. Counterpoint. It's not basic, but it's a little, it's, it's thoughtful. Counterpoint cash. You can buy whatever you want with cash

even if you have a joint bank account ever no one has ever gotten the gift of cash and been like you know have you ever been like that with a gift card though what yeah gift card boxes you in cash is limitless the problem with gift card is you never spend the full amount yeah maybe get him some or you have to make yourself spend way more money yeah because you're using the gift card to get a discount on it also could get him some jail stool No, don't do that bad idea I Would let's see a good gift for your fiance I don't know if cash is really the way to go like Hank is always I think on the if you share the personal account

It's like what do you do with cash? It's still awesome to get cash. I guess fiancee maybe they but it's that happen Yeah, it's what when does the joint account like yeah, yeah, I'd say marriage. Some people don't even have folks Cash It's still awesome to get cash even if you have a joint account or like an activity go on a trip together Buy concert tickets. Sports tickets. Cash. Cash is king.

Golf balls. Why do females typically not like guys playing video games? Seems there could be much worse activities out there. It's a way guys can also hang out without going anywhere. All in all, not one guy complains when a girl goes out with her friends. We just hop on the game. What is the game for girls and how do we get them excited about it? Like guys do for games and get treated the same when it's flipped wait, so she's saying why do why do girls care so much?

Yeah, why his girlfriend doesn't like video games because you're you're paying attention to something very cool You're paying attention to it way way more closely than you pay attention to her. Also video games by nature We've all been trapped in one, you know, been obsessed with one. When you remove yourself from it, you do realize you did nothing. So I think they're seeing it from that angle, where they're looking at it and being like,

you just spent six hours, and in your head, when you're in it, like, yeah, I'm squattin' up with the boys, I gotta, you know, we're goin' on missions, this is fun, or I'm finishing my dynasty. Like I'm accomplishing something from the outside. They're like, you've done nothing. I also think girls, they're kind of video games are shows, but those are more time. Like they watch for an hour. They watch the bachelor. Like they'll watch something for an hour or two video games. If you really like playing video games, you could play for ever. Yeah, forever. And that's where it's like, like

I'm getting off in a minute, but if you're playing like, you know, a battle royale, like what feels like a minute is actually 40. Yeah. I do think- And then you look up, you're like, oh shit. I think girls, they care when, they see you so engaged in the video game and you like look forward to it

and you know everything about the video game, you pay super close attention. And then they're just like, I wish that when I talk to you, you would pay attention to me in that same way that you do your video game why don't you talk to your why don't you talk to me like you talk to your boys yeah like suck my dick fuck you yeah that kind of stuff what they see my pussy what they should do is huh they should make a boyfriend simulator game that'd be good they made a good one maybe get her into

video games probably Probably not though. Yeah, try. Yeah. I don't know. There's something about it. We just were wired a certain way that when we start a game, just got to finish it. Just got to finish it. Or you got to get a win like and that is till we get a win. And the problem is, I don't know, you guys might be different, but like my relationship with video games always been if I have a game I'm obsessed obsessed with it for like a two to three week stretch And that's all I think about and I could see how that would be annoying on the outside Where it's like you're at dinner having a conversation and all you're thinking about like is I got an I got to get a four-star linebacker for my team. I

Was full-on addicted to Call of Duty for like a solid two. Oh, yeah, I've been in that I've been in that for sure like Covid I think the move like once I moved and I think it just it was part of my routine and it's not really anymore, but looking back like It was all I thought about and I was trying to play for like sometimes I just play for 12 hours a day That's a lot now it's golf Yeah golf. Yeah. Yeah, you remember when you were addicted to golf video games. I still PJ 2k is coming out I'm excited for that. Yeah, that game's fun as fuck Yes, it's a great combo. Yeah golf and then when there's dark just play golf. Mm-hmm Last one hey part of my take great pod big fan. I'm a nurse and nearly all my color hot chicks

Like great pod big fan. I'm a nurse and nearly all my co-workers are chicks. What nurses are hot. It's a dude. Uh, and I had a few over for the How's the dude? I thought this guy's on chicks and he's a nurse. I got drunk and called Kelsey a pussy bitch after a second drop in the first maybe a dude. A few chicks didn't like that. They are Kelsey fans were offended by the verbiage. Is this something I have to address with my coworkers? I'm just used to watching ball with the boys. So I was ready. No, I feel like nurses is like.

Yeah, listen, one thing I know about nurses is when they're not on the clock, they fucking party. Like, yeah, they're hot. It's not like corporate. This is a Swifty thing, too. That's why they're upset. Yeah, and I think nurses and doctors have what? Like a five times greater likelihood to smoke cigarettes

Yeah, like they don't give a fuck also if we're being honest Kelsey was kind of playing like a PAB for sure Like that's just a fact. They did the Chiefs didn't play well, right Max. Yeah, little boy ass play. Yeah, exactly Yeah, try that out next time little boy. Yeah, did you say that at all during the Super Bowl? No, but the original tweet was about Travis Kelsey. Little boy ass play. Little boy ass play. Okay, let's do Fire Fest. I can't believe you tweeted that out.

So good. So good. Okay, Fire Fest time because we are going on vacation. So Friday we have our Dungeons and Dragons episode. Monday we will have about 20 minutes of us on Zoom catching up on the weekend and then an NBA preview with Ryan Rosillo. Then we will all be back together on for Wednesday's show. So no, we're not missing any shows. We'll just have a little bit of a different schedule for the next few episodes. So Firefest Hank. Kind of impossible to have a Firefest right before vacation. schedule for the next few episodes so fire fest Hank

Kind of impossible to have a fire fest right before a vacation You're feeling it right now. Well, my sleep schedule is cooked Cooked has not I have not I've not come back from New Orleans like I Was up yesterday at 5 a.m. Couldn't fall back asleep Was up today at 4 a.m. Mm-hmm couldn't fall back asleep sounds like you're thinking about Josh Allen being an MVP God up yeah got up and then fell asleep at like 7 on my couch almost like woke up at the I'm all over the place Sleep schedule wise okay, okay bad for you. Yeah, it's vacation. How many vacation how many rounds well? I'm going to day early now cuz there's gonna be snow in Chicago

So that I'm adding oh, that's nice ago. Yeah, that's nice. You gotta go day early. I do yeah I know are you planning to go off to like when you get into town? Did you add an extra round? Yeah? Yeah? Because the snow it's the snow well Yeah, I I was like well I should go Tuesday hit up hit up our friend is there and was like hey you around He's like, yep, come play golf. I was like fine. You know what? Got to because the snow so Wednesday Thursday Friday Friday Saturday something. Wait, what say it again? 36 Friday Wednesday Thursday Friday Friday Saturday Sunday the six rounds

Yeah, yeah That's that's too much golf at some point. You got to be like I I'm I this is too much Well, the one tomorrow is like I don't have any choice Right, he's for snow but like come Sunday. You're still gonna wake up like no I'm no itching I am itching to get it around say after I get the second round Friday will probably I'll probably be hung over and My sounds like torture and I'll be like I'm cooked. I'll fight through. You know what? For the people, I will fight through. I think what Max is asking is like, aren't you going to get bored of playing golf at some point this week? No,

because we've been, I miss it so much. Yeah. What if you suck? Oh, I'll definitely suck. That's a shame. I'll report back. Okay good Dying to know Hank did ask me the other day. He's like hey, are you gonna play golf on your vacation? I was like, I don't think so. He's like, can I borrow your bag your travel bag? So I have to run home at lunch and get the travel bag for Hank so he can get his golf in tomorrow It's bros. Help him bros. Yeah What it's you make me feel bad for asking you for a favor No, I'm just stating facts. He's just stating that he loves you.

You love facts. Yeah. True. I'm trying to get you fired up. We help. Well, we can't get him fired up. We can help him, but we can never get him fired up. Yeah. We can never light that fire in Hank. He's probably pumped to see Izner. He's like, finally a guy with energy down here. Fire me up. Yeah, he'll tase you. Literally fire you up. Will you get tased this weekend, Hank? Listen, it's okay, we're not Missoula and Gruden We know we're not and that we never I kind of feel bad. But also you guys know you're not Okay, Sam. No one is

Okay, PFT different motivation tactics by fire fest all somewhat vacation related Really tough to have a fire fest when you're going on a vacation It's nice to nice to get somewhere warm really good going I guess the only fire fest I would have would be that I really wanted to play golf this weekend And I don't have a travel bag and I mean what's better than playing golf on an island on vacation It's like all I've looked forward to doing for the last three months, but Hank needs my bags I'm gonna give Hank my bag. I can get another bag. have a second option like he's got a bag yeah yeah no you can have my bag I can sell it to you. My real fire fest is going on vacation this week and I did get my chest waxed last week down in

New Orleans. Oh yeah that did happen. It did happen so I'm gonna be hairless in a swimsuit on the beach and whatever lotion they put on really did not agree with with my chest and I got a little little rash going on my chest right now I'm not looking forward to being shirtless this weekend yeah the I like completely memory hold the fact because that happened that feels like it happened ten years ago yeah it's got a lot better since the day after but my chest is not at its best right now how is time working out in your brain right now max can't be going well no I'm

cooked the whole my whole body is just done all right my fire fest I actually the body be done I knew this was gonna happen but like clockwork return 40 and now I'm just starting to get random injuries. I just got like a tennis elbow in my left arm which I don't have. I don't play tennis or golf and I'm a righty and then my right arm I've had a broken pinky for three months and Super Bowl week just demolished me because I was shaking hands and every time I was like fuck this hurts. But I I'm gonna I think I'm gonna get in shape and I have an announcement for you guys you ready for this yeah I think I'm gonna dunk no way yeah come on a tongue there's no way I

think I'm gonna don't have you ever done before I've never done but I think I'm gonna train in dunk how tall are you six three you can do it I think you could do it too yeah yeah big cat can do it I have a ton of faith. I think I'm going to do it. I think I'm going to dunk. I hope you, I mean, I hope you could do it. You would have to lose a lot of weight. Okay. All right. But that's fine. It's like you've really, you're walking around has really trained your leg muscles. Yeah. So you've got strong legs. I don't know when I'm going to dunk. I'm not going to put a time on it or a bet on it, but I think I'm just going to dunk. Good. Good luck. Thank you. You can definitely do it. You sounds like you're supportive Hank.

No, I mean I, I know what you're doing. I would be happy if you did. I just trying to dunk. I know you're not going. You're don't. I would. You don't put a time. You don't believe him. Like a bet. But wow. You know, I've, I've, I've been there. I've been where you are. I understand where you tried to dunk. Yeah. I'm still going to. I don't believe him a bet but wow, you know, I've I've been there I've been where you are I understand where you tried to dunk. Yeah, I'm still going to remember it cuz you were so far We can't can do it. No, I was close. You were not close. I Was close. You were not close. I was you were not close you touched the rim You're not close. I was close You're not think you gave big cat in what world were you close to dunking? I

close to I was close. I think you gave big cat in what world were you close to dunking? I jumped 10 feet four inches. I needed to get 10 six. If you get big cat a year he could do it. We'll see. I'm not gonna put any pressure on myself. I'm just gonna try. You know what? I also am going to be because you should have John Gruden coach you and train you cause he'll get you fired up. Yeah, that's true. That's a fact. All right. I'm sure. Do we have any other any other hobbies that we're deciding to pick up this offseason a dunking dunking Hank Any changes you're gonna make to your life? Post football I'm currently the fattest I've ever been so I'm gonna work on get fatter Yeah, but you're a champion when you're fat yeah now I gotta that's

That's it now I gotta that's that's it you can't really you can't really think about changing your ways before vacation but in a week from now I will fitness vacation yeah well you got 50 you do something you want to talk with me I could try to dunk I'm focused right now in long drive because I got a bet coming up oh yeah that I've been training on already yeah I don't I don't know if everyone here has been training on it. So I'm just gonna try to get my drive up. I have been training on it.

Over 300 yards if I can. I'm getting more tattoos. I am too. I'm low key addicted to getting tattoos. I am as well. Are you also? I'm gonna get at least two or three more. I'm just gonna say fuck it.

They're not gonna be crazy big or anything. I'm just, I don't know. We're just gonna do our midlife crisis with tattoos. Yeah, speed running. Kind of badass by us, where it's like we just became a tattoo podcast out of nowhere. I feel like I just see Chris Long and I'm like, that's what a real podcast host looks like.

Yeah, I might get a teardrop tattoo. How sick would that be? Yeah, I'm gonna get another one as well. So we'll, maybe we link up, get them together. Maybe we get matching ones. I like that. That'd be cool We get the flight simulator going to the office Yeah, a lot of stuff. I'm excited for that. I want to get on that flight simulator a lot of stuff going on. Yeah Okay

Numbers and get ready for Dungeons and Dragons on Friday. Also prostate exam Do we have to do that? I think so. I thought that was 45. Might as well get it early. Shut up memes. Memes wants us to die. No but you should be rooting for us not to get a prostate exam. 40. You need one. You need it checked. I have to get one early because prostate cancer runs in my family. Yeah. Okay. Three. Five. We can all go at the same time. Okay. We should do that. 99 pugs. Have an AWL as a doctor.

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