Pardon My Take - NBA Insider Shams Charania, Wilder/Fury, The Browns Had An Open Casket Funeral For A Dog

Episode Date: February 24, 2020

A wild weekend in sports headlined by Trey Wingo posting weird Bear pictures from 4 years ago. (2:30-6:20) Wilder/Fury was awesome and boxing may be back. (6:21-17:05) College Basketball had an awesome Saturday followed up by a great NBA Sunday. (17:06-23:07) Swagger, the Cleveland Browns former mascot, had an open casket funeral that was totally normal. (23:08-28:33)Who's back of the week including Big Ben and Spring. NBA Insider Shams Charania joins the show to talk about how he got so plugged in to the league at the age of 25, which franchises are doing the smart thing, free agency 2020, and he breaks news live on air with a little help from us. (36:48-1:32:56) Segments include Tattoo Roast for Jayson Tatum, (1:32:50-1:40:03) Seeing Red for Jim Boylen calling timeouts with 30 seconds left in losses, (1:40:04-1:43:18) Madison Bumgarner's alter ego (1:43:19-1:455:26) and Monday Reading (1:45:27-1:51:00)You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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download the Cash App from the App Store or Google Play Store today, okay, let's go. Welcome to part of my take presented by the Cash App, today is Bad Beats Monday, hashtag Bad Beats Monday, if you had a Bad Beat over the weekend, tweet it at pardon my take at the Cash App, they will help you make you partially whole again, today is Monday, February 24th, and we had an awesome, awesome sports weekend, we had one, two, and four ranked teams in college basketball lost, we had Fury Wilder which was great on Saturday night, we had some awesome NBA games, there was an open casket funeral for a dog, but the lead story and PFT has been all over it, it is the fact that Trey Wingo tried to dupe

the internet into saying that he had a bear in his backyard and we're on to you Trey, so that's actually the biggest story from the weekend. It was actually massive, it's Beargate 2020, we're all over the internet trying to track down exactly the history of this bear, how Trey Wingo may have come across this bear, Trey Wingo's own personal history with this identical bear picture, it's all, I'm like Pepe's Sylvia, Charlie from Always Sunny on the wall, try to figure out what the fuck is going on inside Trey Wingo's brain, because he tweeted out on Friday night, there's a bear on my back porch and a picture of a cute little bear standing on a cute little railing.

Mind you, it was like 8pm and it was light out in the picture, but go on, it was light out in the picture, first thread flag, he lives in Connecticut, bear country, it was a great, great bear, I'm not taking anything away from the bear here, but it turns out that that exact same picture had gone viral back in 2016 when it really happened and when it really happened, it just so happened to have happened at a house about 2 miles away from Trey Wingo, so it was actually a Connecticut bear, it was a neighborhood bear, yeah, but Trey Wingo decided he would bring it back. It's baffling, it is one of the weirdest moves I've seen on Twitter from a guy that

you thought you knew, you thought you knew that Trey Wingo, you know, like he'll do his radio show, he'll play 18 holes, he'll smoke a huge fucking fatty and call it a night, instead he's tweeting bears from 2016 and claiming they're in his backyard and like you said, the craziest part is he's already posted this on his Instagram, so essentially Trey Wingo is trying to go viral using old stories and thinking he is smarter than the internet, no person is smarter than the internet, no man, no woman, no child, no dog, no one is bigger than the internet, smarter than the internet, so Trey, we're on to your shit bro.

I'd like an apology, that's all I'd like, alright you know what, I'd either like an apology from Trey or I'd like him to just roll with it, like we were talking about earlier, he could just post the same picture like once a week and be like oh look, look at this bear that I just saw on my back, and honestly it was a pretty fucking cool bear, did you see the bear, like the ear tags that it had? It's so crazy. The bear looked like it was a hype beast that had the off whites hanging from his ears. It's fucking insane, I don't know what he's doing, it's so, if he had just said oh you

got me or played into it and been like ha ha, it was obviously joking, instead he just went silent, so this is the thing I've been thinking about all weekend as you have as well PFT, and it was a great weekend, so we'll hop into it, let's start with the fight. One other recommendation, maybe this was Trey getting people off the case of the one year anniversary of him posting that steak tweet, which was last year when he posted that burn ass steak that looked like it had been cooked on the moon in radiation. Yeah, it had been cooked under the hood of a fucking F-150, it looked like it was cooked inside of Kirk Cousins butt while he was sitting on aluminum foil on a grill.

And so yeah, maybe that is exactly what it was, he was trying to get everyone to, but now we're here remembering that. You know what though? Didn't work, Trey. Didn't work. And what I'm going to do, I'm going to post that fucking bear every day until you post it again. Yeah, it's a bear off, it's a bear off.

Alright, so we have the fight, let's start with the fight, Fury Wilder, two, not as good as one obviously because one was an all time fight, still a very fun eventful night, it felt like we have, like it finally was one of those nights where you had a heavyweight fight and it felt like everyone was watching, which has not happened in a long time. I actually, before we actually talked about the fight, I have a take that UFC has kind of ruined my brain when it comes to boxing. I used to love boxing, I used to buy paper views when I was a kid. I watched that fight and I was like, why the fuck isn't he submitting him?

Like why isn't he taking him to the ground, why isn't he kneading him in the face? It's just there's a level of violence in the UFC that you expect when you see a fight and then you're like, I was sitting there watching, like why isn't Fury just sit on him? He's got so much more mass, he should just fucking squeeze him out and put him in a rear naked choke and it didn't happen, so. I had kind of the opposite take when I was watching it, it made me realize like I love boxing, I love boxing at the highest level in a different way that I love UFC at the highest level.

It's a totally different sport obviously, like the ref was being so annoying when he was slapping them on their backs and trying to get them to go apart, like he looked like a jockey that was trying to ride at Clydesdale when he was slapping Fury on his back, but he was doing it for a reason because it's fucking fun to watch two massive people just trade blows. Uh, the, the pregame analysis, like I don't want to credit the internet and also myself, but the watching the pregame and watching Deontay Wilder have to walk through the entirety of the MGM grand, like the entire, it was, they showed him walking to his locker room

and it was no joke, 10 minutes of him just walking through the, through the back rooms. He was walking through a kitchen at one point. I said right then and there, I was like, he is going to be gassed because that is, everyone knows that feeling when you're in a casino and you've been walking around the casino for like maybe 20, 30 minutes and you have a moment where you're like, wait, I kind of need to sit down. Like I'm actually a little tired right now that, I don't care how good of an athlete you are.

Casino steps are different. So it's more of a mental game at that point because if you're in a casino, they are pumping in that extra oxygen so you're getting the blood, the red blood cells going through your body faster. However, when you get lost inside a casino and you feel like your spinal tap trying to make your way backstage to the stage and you're just trying to find a bathroom to piss in, but every single corner of the casino looks identical with the slot machines. At that point it starts to take a toll mentally on you more so than physically.

Fun house. Yeah, exactly. It's like you're in a mirror house. And so yeah, I agree. He did a lot of walking pregame. And then in the locker room, Wilder looked like he was stressing out a little bit. He looked like he was thinking too hard. He was serious.

You never want to think before you do anything. Yeah, which I understand you should be serious before the biggest fight of your life, but the difference between Wilder and Fury when they kept on showing their locker rooms, Fury was hanging out. Fury was looking like it was, he was going to watch the fight, not fight in the fight. He was hanging out on the couch. He was slapping that ass. He was dancing around, wearing a crown all the while.

Multiple crowns. You're sitting there like, fuck, I got a big fight coming up, like I'm going to stretch, stretch maybe too early. And then on top of all of that, Fury gets carried out. So even less steps. I honestly think that Tyson Fury maybe had 15 steps on his Fitbit before the fight started. That's smart for the entire day. And you could tell with the legs that Wilder had on him.

And when he was getting carried out by beautiful women on a throne, that was an amazing entrance. I don't know who planned that. It's probably because you probably can't get a DUI on a throne that's being carried by other people. Correct. If I understand the laws of Nevada correctly. It was awesome. And then Wilder's entrance was pretty cool too, where he looked like a Mortal Kombat

character with the red mask, with the red eyes that were like blinking and it was like glowing the dark kind of with spikes and shit all over it. Two great, great entrances pre-fight. And then they got into the ring and Tyson Fury showed that having a 40 pound weight advantage was actually a pretty big shadow of his eardrum. And I actually was shocked they didn't stop the fight earlier because Wilder in like the fifth round was holding on to the ropes to try to keep up, to like to stand up. And usually the ref will be like, wait, hold on, you aren't even standing on your own power

right now. And I mean, Tyson Fury, his post fight, the American Pie, treated it like karaoke night. He is an electric guy, the Gypsy King, like everything about him. Tyson Fury or Manny Pacquiao now. Now, now we've got to talk. Who's the best karaoke singer in boxing? I'd say it's probably Tyson Fury. Yeah.

So it was, it was a cool, it was very much so. It was just a cool, it was cool to have boxing. And like I said, it used to be, especially the heavyweight division, like when in the 90s and you're growing up, it's like, holy shit, there's two or three nights a year where it's like the whole world is watching boxing. That was the first time it felt like that since, I don't know, the biggest Mayweather fight that has happened, you know, it's been a long time. It used to be more like that back in the 90s because Mayweather Pacquiao was still too

old. Mayweather, uh, uh, Delahoya was probably the last one where it was like, holy shit, feels like the entire world is watching. Back in the 90s 2000s, though, before the internet and like high, high speed streams, there would be like one neighborhood house that would get the fight. Yeah. And it became an event that people go over to. Now you have to like just do that on Twitter.

And that's your, as Dan Ravel calls it, the world's best sports bar. Also you pay per view, shamers, I see you, you guys get, get a fucking life. The people who pre complain about the fight, they're like, I'm not going to buy the fight because probably the last like three rounds and the undercard sucks. It's not about the fight. It is about the fight, but it's also about the experience of buying the pay per view and being like, holy shit, I watched college basketball to my eyes bled on Saturday and now I got a big fight to top it all off.

I felt good once I hit, I smashed that buy button on a 79 99 fight. Fuck yeah. You know what? I actually bought it faster than if it had said 49 99 on it. Yeah. It was cool to spend that. Absolutely. 40 bucks.

I'm not going to math, but before, before the fight, did you notice that Wilder when they were talking to him about how he's coming in at the heaviest that he's ever been? And like, what was his strategy about that? Was he trying to gain weight to compete against, against fear? He was like, no, I really didn't, I don't monitor my body. My body is a vessel and it changes shape sometimes, but we don't pay attention to what that is. That's a great spend.

Yeah. He looked okay. Yeah. For 19 pounds, you know, heavier. I don't know where he put it. Not in his legs. Yeah. Because if I, if I gain 19 pounds, you know it.

You see it in the face right away. Right. Maybe that. Yeah. It might have gone to just like in that one area around his stomach that the, the waistband of the boxing shorts covers because it did not go to his thighs. It did not go to his calves. Do you think in terms of body parts that can bleed, ears have to be up there for the worst.

So my Mount Rushmore of orifices that you don't want to bleed out of. Number one, I'm going to put butt. Oh, no, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you and I are going to have a disagreement here because you don't want to bleed out of your butt bleeding around your butt from wiping is one story. If you said, if you said to me right now, would you rather bleed out of your butt or your eyeball? Definitely the butt.

Eyeball would be the fucking worst eyeballs. It can. You're going to die. Like if you're bleeding out of your eyeball, it's death is imminent. You could be hemorrhaging. You could be experiencing some sort of outbreak fever or Joe Biden. But if you're, yeah, you could be Joe Biden. You could be Bob Costas.

Yeah. They've all bled out of their eyes and they're fine. I'm talking real blood out of your eyes. I would. I would. I would take blood like a lizard. Yeah. I would take butt over, over eyes or ears.

Ears. It like there's a moment when Deontay while there's bleeding out of his ears, it was like when Clay Thompson was bleeding out of his ears. You're wondering, is he just, is he just going to die? Is that just his brain? Yes, I'm out. It is a sneaky bad rule to bleed out of. You shouldn't be bleeding out of your ears.

For me, it goes butt, eye, ear, and then distant forth is urethra because you can come back from, everyone bleeds out of their dick sometimes. Yeah. The eye, the ears though, man, fuck, that, that sucks. And I, I mean, I'm sure it didn't help his balance at all, even though afterwards he said it was just a cut. Well, that's what I was thinking in real time. Like drunk thought.

Like, can you, can you just lose your equal, equilibrium forever? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Just for now, you'll never be able to walk. Like he's bleeding from his ear clearly. Like he got hit and like something like switched, like what if that switch just never turns back on?

He could get vertigo. Yeah. He can't look up anymore. Oh, we forgot to mention that Tyson Fury did the most disrespectful thing of all time and tried to lick the blood off of him mid fight because he was so confident that he was beating him and going to beat him. So and then we had the celebrities, Mrs. Fury is a very lucky lady, Mrs. Fury is a very lucky lady.

We had, yeah, Joe Tessitore had no, he's like, what is he doing with his tongue? Uh-huh. Come on, Joe. Well, he's eating a little. No, he's Italian. Come on. Yeah. You see, he's not a junior soprano.

No. People talk about that kind of thing. If you're one of the fellas. Joe Tessitore, listen, seems like a really nice guy, but his voice now is forever etched in just like a shitty Monday night game or a shitty college game at like noon. I just, he did a good job, but it's one of those things. We talk about it when you have that voice trigger, like when Beth Moans comes on, I'm waiting for Purdue versus Indiana at 11am.

When Joe Tessitore is on, I'm just waiting for, you know, the dolphins to have to play the Texans on a Monday night in like week 14. When Jake Marsh is on, I get super excited because I know that the catamounts are about to smash some shit. Kaboom. Kaboom. Tic-tac-toe. Kaboom.

Jake Marsh is in the studio right now. Yes. All right. So that was the fight. How do you even, I have a question about, about Fury though. How do you even get that big in England? I feel like most British people don't, don't get that tall. Gypsy King.

Yeah. But I mean, I watched Snatch. Most of them were pretty wiry fellas. No, but there's always one big guy. They don't, they don't get a lot of nutrients in their system. It's like the big guy from Braveheart. There's always one big guy. One giant guy, but even those big guys, I feel like are just relatively big and the food

in England sucks. So it's tough to put on weight over there. One huge guy per, per country, for sure, per group, per like per region. There's always one guy, everyone talks about like, oh man, it's all bunion. Yeah. He probably just still breast feeds. He probably just never stopped breastfeeding. What makes you like that?

No, that just makes you huge. Like the, what was it? Nature steroids. What was your Lord of the, Lord of the Vale? No. What was the guy, the kid in Game of Thrones? Come on, Hank. Thrones.

You're Thrones addict. Brand. The fucking kid who was breastfeeding at like 14, that little shit. He lived in the Sky Tower. Come on. You know what I'm talking about. Robin Aaron. There we go.

Finally. What a pussy that kid was. All right. So we also had a great NBA games. Hank, would you like to say anything about the refereeing in the Celtics Lakers game? It was bullshit. And it kind of ruined the end of the game. It was a great game.

And then the last, I don't know, like two minutes took like 35 minutes and the refs just, they did the thing where Jalen Brown wasn't out of bounds at all. They called him out of bounds, didn't review it. The goal 10, the goal 10, the craziest thing that isn't really getting talked about because they fucked up the end of the game so bad, but there was a goal 10 call in the beginning of the game. That was like the most egregious thing I've ever seen in my life. But there was also a goal 10 at the end of the game that didn't get called.

Yes. Yeah. Jeff Van Gundy had all time sarcasm when he said they were did like a second or third review and he said there's nothing more exciting than an instant replay review. He, people are turning. I didn't realize how much hate Jeff Van Gundy. I knew Mark Jackson because he's an idiot, but Jeff Van Gundy is starting to get lumped in.

We always turn on our, on our announcers. I feel like they're getting their shot. I don't know. I feel, I feel like Jeff. I'm not saying that. Him talking about Alex Caruso was so beautiful. Yes. He just, he saw like a young Jeff Van Gundy out there and he's like, this kid, his arms

are sneaky long. That was the biggest compliment that he played. He, Jeff, Jeff Van Gundy had a good point though about Brad Stevens and Brad Stevens face and just his old whole demeanor demeanor. He's too nice. He really is. He needs to, he needs to rebrand. Maybe get a different haircut or, or maybe a face style.

He could, he could, he could do it with like a, his shirts. He could change up his shirts or something. I could look a little bit more Maripetish. Yeah. He looks, he looks fit. No, no, no. We're saying the opposite. Yeah.

Because he got a technical people have turned on Maripete now. So I feel like if people, if he looks more like Maripete now, he needs to go cool Brad Stevens. Right. Because he, yeah. Because Jeff Van Gundy's point, which was a correct one. That would be unbelievable. Yeah.

Like a purple, the twain Wade look. Huge change. From the all star game. Absolutely. Corrected. Brad Stevens, like his face and the fact that he treats refs with so much respect hurts him because if he just raises his voice a little, he gets a technical foul. That was a bullshit.

Technical foul. What kind of just calling a technical foul with a minute left in the game is also who does that? Yeah. That's a big time. Let the boys play a moment. Yeah. And it did come down to the last second.

But Hank, if you recall two years ago, about this time, we did a soggy sorrows because the Celtics lost a midseason game on a Sunday night. So people were asking if you were going to do it again. I didn't want to respond for you because I figured you'd want to really put yourself out there. And I mean, they were, they were the underdogs. I don't think that would make sense. Going back to Tyson Fury, though, uh, he was, he was why I was, I heard this last night.

I just wanted to confirm before I said it, but he was born three months early. What? Three months premature. And the doctors wanted to like give up on him or whatever. And it was like his dad was like, no, he's a fighter. Like he's going to fight. He's going to be the heavyweight champion in the world, blah, blah, blah. And there's no way his dad said that, but I like that.

I like when they like Murray's dad, you would, you're going to be this, this premature baby in the NICU, he's going to be the heavyweight champion of the world. This is a bad ass line. He said, how many babies do you think that was said about that just don't end up boxing one day in their life? Yeah, probably. Well, I don't know how many, how many people look at a baby and say, this baby is going to beat the shit out of everybody one day. All the other babies are fucked.

I said, he'll be all right. He will be seven feet, 20 stone and heavyweight champion in the world. And I named him Tyson after Mike Tyson. He's got to be a little disappointing that he didn't get up to seven feet tall. Yeah. Shout out Mike Tyson, by the way, who they had all the legends coming out and he just walked out for a Vander Holyfield's walkout. Didn't realize that they weren't talking about him until they said Atlanta, Georgia, like they listed all of the Vander Holyfields records and everything

that he did. And Mike Tyson was just on another planet being like, that was pretty sweet. All those places. I wasn't. Yeah. But but he's saying I was. It was cool to see Tyson, Lewis and Holyfield all in the same building together. It wasn't cool to listen to Lennox Lewis is not good. Jabber, jabber. So you got a job, the jabber, you got a job, and then you got to kind of with a job and you're jabbing too much. Then it becomes a job as job. All right. So barcelgold.com slash PMT. You can watch us right now.

You can watch our interview with Shams. It's coming up in a minute. We had great college basketball as well. Duke is all the way back one, two and four lost. What they are. They are Gonzaga had their usual loss out against the Mormons. That crowd, by the way, Improvo, those guys fucking party. Not party party party party party as far as Mormons go. Sober party. Dr. Pepper. It was pretty fucking cool.

Yeah. Kyle Van Noi was pretty excited about it, too. Kyle was Kyle was ready to soak. Yeah. He was he was some shit. Big time soaking. And also watching all the games yesterday, it made me realize that as soon as Arizona gets eliminated, we need to put Sean Miller in a studio under bright lights and then judge all of our games on how much he's sweat through his suit, because that Arizona Oregon game was awesome. Peyton Pritchard, by the way, has definitely been at Oregon for like 17 years.

But he had sweat through his suit coat, like fully through his suit coat. And that is a great indicator that the game is great. Yeah, it is. For Sean Miller, he's a very sweaty guy in general. I've always understood if a coach has the back sweat through the suit or like that's a Bruce Pearl. Or yeah, that's a big Bruce Pearl or maybe like around the breast area. But it wasn't just the arms.

It was the upper arms. Yes. Whose upper arm sweats profusely. I think Sean Miller is. See, this is why Sean Miller escaped the FBI, because when they interrogate him, you can't look at a man and be like, oh, he's pouring sweat. He must be lying. That's just his natural like homeostasis. He rolls out of bed sweating.

He just leaks. Yes. He's got all these tiny little holes in his body just leaks like a strainer to make a blue suit get darker. Blue is a wild. That's so much sweat. He has to just rock like just black suits, right? No, I think he just owns it. I think he owns the fact that he cannot stop sweating or let him go shirtless.

Yeah, or yeah, maybe let him just wear sweats. He should wear a sweat band. Yeah, he just used that. Use everything at your disposal, Sean Miller. Go shirtless and wear like the double little like string sweat bands that college football players have on their biceps. Yeah, he should or maybe just a quarterback sweat towel. Just be rubbing your hands on it the whole the whole time.

All right. The other last story before we get to our who's back of the week. The Browns. Now, it wasn't a sanctioned event by the Browns, but we're just going to blame the Browns had a live casket funeral for Swagger with Swagger Jr. His son there. How does it not get sanctioned by the Browns? I so like so I just get rid of the body and I unfortunately have learned

way too much about this. Apparently there is a funeral home in Cleveland that does this. They will do live casket funerals for casket open open casket. Sorry, it was a live stream of an open casket. That was the part where it was like, why is there a live stream to pay respects, but they they do it and they get like $8,000 for these, which I guess if you if you throw that out there, if a funeral home is saying like, hey, you know what, no one's been dying recently.

We have an off day. Let's throw a couple of fucking, you know, cats and dogs into a casket and get $8,000 a pop on a Saturday afternoon. Kind of makes sense. Who pays them? The people, the dog owner. So the Browns. No, the Browns were it was one of those situations where someone,

a family owned Swagger. So very fishy. I'm telling you. So Swagger, you're saying was just licensed out like a mercenary. That's how that's like a fucking black water of mascots. That's how a lot of these mascots work. As a used dog salesman, you know how that's a lot of these are not owned by Georgia. I've never licensed out a dog to lease to anyone.

That's how you do it with a dog. You are either all in or all out. The underbelly of live mascots. It's absolutely sickening. So they had they had a live stream of this open casket and then they made Swagger, Jr. sit there, go sit next to his dead dad. And he had a boner. And he had a boy naturally like raging hard about his dead dad.

He's a fucking necrophilia. No, there's nothing. That's absolutely natural. If you're around, if you're around another type of your species and you see death, it's natural to get horny to be like, I got your boner. I have to procreate as quickly as possible because I'm going to die soon. He also swagger. What if he had humped his dad?

Like you died like three weeks ago. Things could. Yeah. That's what I would say. I looked up his death. His death was February 7th. I guess you have to keep Swagger in state for a while. So people can so the country can come pay its respect. So you got embalmed.

Have him lying. You just had a fucking parade. They should bury him at midfield of was it first energy stadium? Just when you think the Browns are starting to turn everything around, which they are, this is actually what you weren't. But if you did, if you were thinking that they had a fucking open casket funeral for a dog, I actually think that this is more normal than most of the things that have happened to him.

It was it was so casual to I was just scrolling through Twitter on Saturday and someone tweeted at me like, wait, this isn't real. I thought I was getting punked. And then I searched it and I saw the live stream and I could. And how about the people that are going? A lot of people that show up to see a dead dog. I think that's more normal. That's the crazy. No, no, no, no, I agree with Hank.

I don't want to see a dead dog. That's more normal. I mean, we clicked on a live stream to see a dead dog. Oh, I didn't click. I clicked. I clicked. Oh, thank you. And I mean, no one wants to go to funerals, but you know, you pay your specs. S.J. was just like staring at the camera, like, get me the fuck out of this franchise as quickly as possible.

I mean, it's just it was that was like one of those Saturday. You think it's an onion title, right? And then you're like, wow, we're like, wait, this actually is real. And of course, it's the Browns. I know other franchises doing this after seeing what they that they made him go look at his dead dad. I would be completely in favor of any other franchise kidnapping swagger. Yes. Yes.

That's right. And the father's body, which I'm sure is probably still in bomb. They probably forgot it. No, they probably took it to like a playground or something. Yeah. To have neighborhood kids say goodbye to it. Put it under a tree. I say, yeah, we also did. Right. Can you imagine bearing an arrow? No. Listen, that was different.

And made people come out. Well, that was different. That's a goal drive in a caravan ceremony. That's different. Also, we didn't have Larry's kids around us at the time. We did have a baby there, though. Well, they have to learn about that. Yeah. Right.

And we didn't bring the baby. Yeah. Someone else brought the baby. And they wanted to forgot about that. They wanted the baby to they wanted the baby to experience what pain was like so it could grow up to be the heavyweight champion of the world. Also, Larry, all due respect, but Larry was like 17 million times the winner that swagger was. Like, let's just call it spade to spade here.

Larry won. Swagger lost. It would have been he was a loser dog. I'll put it this way. It would have been more appropriate for the Browns to put swagger's body on like a little pontoon boat, light it on fire. And then and push it out onto Lake Erie or just in the middle of the Cuyahoga River. I know that's kind of a fire hazard. Imagine just shoved out into a great lake.

That would have been more appropriate than putting a live stream on Facebook for all of America to tune into Fred Smooch and start a business where he does Viking funerals for pets. And he like actually has the bow and arrow that lights it on fire. Little Viking funeral boat funeral. Where does the sex part come in? Well, if people aren't looking, he can do whatever he wants. Fred Smooch and yeah, sex with your animal.

Someone in the audience will have sex with Fred Smooch at some point, because I mean, have you heard him talk? That's probably the guy is. Yeah, he's electric. All right, let's do some who's back. Hank, why don't you start? Who's back of the week? My who's back of the week is Astros bad PR moves. Yeah. So raw Manfred in his, you know, last week was saying that the Astros punishment is going to be being publicly

shamed and like that was going to be the worst part. They're not going to get stripped. They're not going to lose their world series. But the the public shame is what's really going to be their punishment. You're going to have to have tough questions asked of them. The Astros are now taking all signs away from people attending spring training that have any sort of like joke towards the Astros cheating. Yeah. So instead of publicly shaming them,

they're now like taking that away from any fan that goes to a game. And they're absolutely screwed because every time that a fan gets it confiscated, you're going to have like two million people making a Oh, they're stealing signs again joke. Right. So there's really nothing that you can do to get out of this. Yeah. They've got to make signs sign up. Yeah. Or you're going to headline every single day saying Astros steal signs again. Or take. Yeah. Take away the World Series title and say like you can no signs or you can have

signs and you can have the World Series title. The they also and obviously it's spring training. So it wouldn't. I wouldn't expect the starters to be playing game one of spring training, but it did kind of suck that the entire Astros team was a bunch of minor league guys who were just wearing the jersey and just getting booed so loud and they did nothing wrong. Like it's a bunch of guys who are trying to make the team who would be honored to be able to steal signs and bang on a trash can for for Altuve and

Bregman. But they had to go out there and just take like the beating. Well, Altuve and Bregman were playing golf. No respect to those guys. But how how funny would it be if the Astros just decided to keep cheating? Just didn't stop. Yeah, just like said, the exact same system is like, I dare you to catch me again, because now is probably the last time that baseball is going to be looking for them. It's a perfect time. Exact same thing.

Right. Hiding in plain sight. You would never expect the Astros to cheat again. Could you could fans instead of maybe bringing signs into baseball games, try to sneak trash cans in? That would also be that would be funny. Yeah, I'm in for all of it. The Astros are going to be the Astros cheating scandal is just going to be a year long story that we're all going to have fun with.

It's going to be a circus. We're going to have to ask the hard questions. Rob Manfred has told us they are not getting punished, so we must punish them. PFT, who's your who's back? My who's back of the week has been Rathausberger. Yes. So Big Ben was pictured throwing some passes. He has now graduated to the point where he's able to throw what looked like at least a high school sized football.

I don't know. I didn't get an up close view of it. But yeah, he was in a gym. He looked good. He looked happy. Good for him. Yeah, no, for Ben. It's obviously a sliding scale, but I wouldn't like to look at this athlete. No, it was a very slow release. But he looked like he was about 280 pounds and tough to sack.

So you can shave now. I'll put it this way. Big Ben looked like Big Ben. Right. And that's all that we're hoping for is great. He looks a little less like a guy that goes and lives in a cabin for a winner writes below average songs. We need him. We need him back because if they get the new

playoff rules in a couple of years, Big Ben would just be in the playoffs every that was the one thing when they went through it all. The Steelers would just made the playoffs every year. Yeah, they've always they're the model of never being worse than seven. Yeah, like eight and eight, nine and 17 after worse. How do you think Big Ben has been rehabbing up to? Do you think he's been doing any exercise whatsoever? I would imagine he's like an elliptical guy for 15 minutes.

And then maybe 10 crunches. He's like a back row elliptical guy. So you can get a view of the other clientele at the gym. He might have some one of those balls and does like a few crunches that hits the steam. Yeah, big time steam guy. I was thinking about that earlier this week where as long as you're sweating, that counts as a workout. So Big Ben's definitely like a Schvitz guy.

Hollywood workout. He's a sauna guy, probably the first guy to drop the towel when he enters a steam room. Oh, yeah. Let's everyone know probably a type of guy that you probably had to hide every single football in the house, every ball in the house from him. Because if he just saw one, he'd pick it up and throw it. Yeah. So you have to like put that on a high shelf. But that's also everyone.

Like if you see someone throwing a basketball around, like doing, you know, dribbling a basketball, you automatically going to say pass the ball. It's true. That's every ball ever. It's just what happens. It's probably like a dog. His his. Yeah, there he is. You want this ball right now. Yeah, there you go.

Thanks. You want that ball? Thank you. Want it? Look at it. See. It's over there. All right. My who's back is Spring. Spring is back. We had a taste this weekend. It's the groundhog because of the groundhog, but we had a taste this weekend. And there's something about those first few days when it hits like 50.

And it's that something in the air where there's still no leaves, obviously. It's it's that raw smell. And you're like, March Madness is coming. St. Patrick's Day is coming. The Masters is almost here. It's just something beautiful about it. The sun feels like, oh, my God, the sun's back. We're changing the clocks in two weeks.

Just put out part of my takes. Spring break merch. Oh, man. It's there's nothing better than that feeling of, you know what it is? Because spring has some great drinking days, too. It does. And you almost feel like you're in college. Yes. In college and you're coming out of your shell and you're like, oh, my God. It's back like that first day where like, hey, let's fire up the grill.

Yeah, it's only 45 degrees outside, but 45 degrees in the spring feels like it's shorts weather. Yeah, I wear shorts today just because I could without actually like freezing my shins off. But for you, it's like this is your first spring as a dad. So spring is sprung. What you felt was like you stepped outside and it was it was Jim Nance's voice like going through the air like radio waves. Oh, hello, friends. Oh, he's what you sensed.

And you were like, yeah, let's do this. I'm very I already got circled Father's Day. And I'm just like, hey, it's my day now. It's an extra birthday. And it's just going to tell you when they when you become a dad. You're going to stare at your kid and be like, why aren't you getting me anything? No, I was just like, hey, sorry, it's my day. I'm going to sleep which and watch sports.

You know, kind of is everything. You know, it's tough, though. This year, St. Patrick's Day is on a Tuesday. Yeah, but it doesn't matter in college. College kids celebrate it. Whatever the closest Friday for myself. Oh, you're still for myself trying to get fucked up on St. Patty's Day. It's like an amateur night. Yeah.

I don't fuck around with that. You're still going to get out there. You they have a seniors division for St. Patrick's Day that you're entering this year. Listen, Tuesday night, I'm 35. You can still get fucked up on St. Patrick's Day when you're 35. Yeah, you're Irish. Yeah, I mean, you can.

But I think there's definitely it depends if you're like with a million when it comes to drinking holidays. If you're with like 24 year olds, I think you'll fairly get some looks. Yeah, but like, hey, what's up, man? But I still doing this. I also can pass for like a 25, 26. You're wearing a kilt. Yeah.

Yeah, that's true. Just wear a kilt. Yeah, everyone looks like they're just like a leprechaun. Weirdo. Not because your height, but just because I'm too way too tall to be leprechaun. Right. But you should then you can drink. I don't draw more attention to myself. Oh, this fucking giant dressed as a leprechaun. You know, all right, let's let's get to our interview.

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Okay, here he is, Shams Charania. Okay, we now welcome on very special guest. It is Shams Charania. Did I say that right? Yes, sir. So Shams, we have to talk a lot of NBA. You're an NBA insider. You are one of the best in the biz,

but before we talk NBA, we have to talk at least about your rise in your career because I think you had the same thought when you were looking it up. You're 25 and I don't mean that as a slight, but it's crazy how much you've accomplished at 25. So my theory is always if you wear a suit on your Twitter profile, it's just 10 years automatically.

No question. Was that part of the plan? Like I'm sure you've probably struggled with this, like, hey, I want to be taken seriously and I'm young, which, you know, this business is very hard to be taken seriously when you're young. How did you do this? How did you manage to get to this point at 25?

So I feel like I'm 35 in basketball years. Like I think that's just how I've kind of, you know, every year, like last year I was 24, obviously. I'm turning 26 in a couple of months now. Like I'm 36, like that's just how, you know, I've been doing this house 17. And when you first, like my junior and senior in high school in New Trier, I was just cold texting,

cold emailing, cold calling, whether it's agents, executives around the league, you know, the handful or so that reached out and they actually hit me back. Obviously I was like, wow, like these people actually, because, you know, I kind of put myself in their shoes. If I rep like five all-star players, I'm probably not hitting this random kid

who I've never heard of. He has no real track record. What like, what has he done? But I mean, I always tried to, you know, you hide behind kind of your maturity in a lot of ways. You get lucky, you gotta get lucky. You know, people that hit you back, that takes luck in a lot of ways

and also shows you there are a lot of good people in the industry that want to actually hit you back. So I mean, for me, it was just like luck. What was the lucky one? Like what was the one that you can look back and you're like, I can't believe this guy texted me back and it helped me so much. I think my biggest, like the first story

that put me on the map was probably Luol Deng. I don't know if you remember, but Luol Deng got traded from the Bulls to the Cavs in January, 2014. I was 20, probably sophomore in college. And I'll never forget it because it was like, it was 1115 at night. It was an email that came through

from someone I had been emailing with. And again, this, we weren't texting. We weren't on text levels. We weren't on call level. I'd never spoken to the person on the phone, but we were emailing. Probably had exchanged 500, 600 emails in the span of two years.

Now I got little tidbits here and there from that person. I get email, 1115 at night, Deng for Bynum and Pix. And I get that and I didn't even see it until 1145. I was watching a movie. And so you, I go to my Gmail and I see the email and I go to Twitter and it's not out. I'm like, oh shit, my holy shit. And I tweeted out and then I'll never forget.

I'm like running around my house like, oh my God, like I did it, I got it. And like that like rush that went, cause you know, before then I had broken like, you know, Malcolm Thomas signing a 10 day with the Bulls, like Shavik Randolph signing a 10 day with the Celtics, like different little 10 days and Euro league signings and, you know, G league signings.

But that was like my first real like NBA break. And when I got that, I think that, you know, it kind of validated the work that I was putting in up up until that point. Yeah. But that, what that one for sure was probably like the one I would say. That's awesome.

What was your cold email script? Like, or when you were cold calling somebody, would you just be like, hey, this is who I am. If you have any information that you're not doing anything with, I'd be happy to take it off your hands. Like, how do you, how do you start to build those relationships? So I think for me, the biggest thing was not to come off

as like, I want information at first. It was like, hey, my name is Sean Shranian. I'm, you know, before I was like, so I started off at Chicago now, which was a subsidiary of the Tribune. This is junior year of high school. And I would just do that to get reps. Like I would do Chicago now.

They weren't paying anything. It was just somewhere where I could just get writing on. So I did that for like a year. And then I pitched it to real GM. I'm like, yo, this is my work. I pitched it to them, like two, three other outlets. And they were the ones, at that point, like real GM hoops hype, they were like the holy grail

for me. Like I would, me and my friends would just go on there and just hit refresh like constantly. Right. Like, what's going on? What's going on? Like, who are the bulls getting? I want to know.

I'm like, No good free agents. But yes. Right. Because I was that person. Carlos loser, yeah. I was that fan. Like I wanted to know.

And so, so I get to real GM. And my, honestly, my text was, I'm Sean Strani. I write for realgm.com. I'm covering the NBA. Would be great to stay in touch. Do you have a, do you have time to talk? And at that point is just building a relationship. Cause I've always been in the mindset

of you're going into something, saying I want, you know, like I want, that's probably going to be a turn off from jump. So for me, it was just like genuinely showing that I'm in it for the long haul. I'm in it for a longer term relationship. This wasn't just like, yo, this Sean's trying to give me something.

You got something like I'm ready. It's more like, you know, this is who I am. This is what I'm trying to be. Would never say how old I am. You know, you kind of hide behind the maturity level or whatever. Well, I know that that's probably awkward for you because you're probably sick of people being like,

wait, you're 25. But I say it not as a, oh my God, you're so young. I say it in holy shit, man, like congrats, because this is an impossible business to be in. And I think a lot of times, I mean, we've both dealt with it where, you know, it's a weird business where you don't really get your shot until later in life, which makes no sense because the audience

we're going for is the younger audience. So, I mean, congrats. Like that's incredible. And I love that because I love anyone who grinds. So, I mean, it's, it's weird too that you're 25 and you've been in it for, would you say, eight years now? Eight years, yes. That's why I told you, I feel like I'm 30.

Yeah, yeah. I really do feel like, you know, I haven't seen everything. I feel like I've seen a lot. I feel like I know kind of the ins and outs of things. And really, honestly, man, like it's the people that are in it that I'm just like, every day I'm like, damn, like, you know, because again, when I was 17, 18, reaching out to these people who have multiple players,

multiple all stars, like no reason to respond to me. Like, what have I done? Who am I? Right. Just shows that they hit you back and you never know. You know, you never know what someone might be for me or anyone. You also have a cool name, like a name that sticks

in your head that people remember and they're like, oh yeah, I'm going to text this guy back. I like that name. Yeah, it's not like Sam. Yeah, it was like, hey, it's back. Michael Smith, that's actually tougher to break in. You've got like a little bit of initial branding, right? When you hit somebody, it's like, oh, yeah.

I like this guy. And the Twitter suit. I mean, the Twitter suit is good. Like that's how I started going to games though. Like when I was 17, 18, 19 years old, like going to games in Milwaukee, Indiana, because I wasn't, the bulls wouldn't credential me. I did a-

Of course not. I'll give you that later. I didn't need to keep your relationships, but I'll just say things and you can just laugh. I did a freelance piece for ESPN when I was 20. And that's when the bulls finally were like, yeah, we'll credential you now. You're clearly shown you're not just in it to like

hang out with players or like just come to the arena. Serious. But before then, like I would go to Milwaukee games. I would like, I would go in a suit. Like that's just- Smart move. I didn't, I haven't changed anything else. Yeah. And I think it also is more to probably our immaturity

because we don't wear suits and we don't really take ourselves seriously. So like we have, you know, a friend, John Rosting, he comes in and he's like, yeah, I've been wearing a suit for decades. Well, that's smart. People probably respect you a little differently. Treat you differently.

So- That also shows just our dumb brain that like we see one person walk into room wearing a suit. I'm like, what's up dad? Look at this guy. Like, hey, you're older than me. This guy owns a bank. You're like 45, no joke, because of the suit.

So you get your big break. So then you, tell me the path from after college. You start working with Woj. Yeah, so I think that story kind of put me like in people's minds and thoughts a little bit more. And so, you know, that one was just relationships, you know, getting to know, you know, him getting to know other people and once,

you know, that kind of formed. I mean, the team that we had, if you look back at that, I don't know if you guys remember like the team we had at the vertical. Dream team, yeah. I mean, I was talking to a couple of those guys, like, you know, whenever you see them in passing at games or events and the scallop rainy,

like Chris Mannix guys like that. And like the way that we compare, it's a kind of like, okay, see thunder, you know. So who are you? Are you hardened? I don't know who I am. That's a good, but I didn't, you know, I ended up staying that there was a gap year where I stayed.

You know, a lot of the people started to migrate either, you know, go to ESPN, go to these different outlets, me, Chris Mannix, Michael Lee, we stayed, you know, mostly our contract, we stayed one year left on our deal. I stayed one year left on my deal. And so I couldn't, you know, there was, at the time I was 22, so there was some talk that like, you know, try to leave your contract,

try to end up at ESPN or wherever. Because obviously that's where my relationships were like, I came in with those guys. But when I realized I was going to have to stay that year out. Were you looking for, yeah, probably like in your head, when you're thinking about someplace to go, you probably thought you'd like to go to a place that doesn't have air going through the pipes

when you're recording a podcast, right? Was that like, was that high up on your list? Oh, no, don't give me Jeremy. Yeah. At least go to Russell Westbrook. I stayed, I stayed, or I'll be searched, I'll take search. Have they retired your suit in any Houston strip clubs? I've never even been to Houston, but that might be next.

But I mean, you know, I ended up staying, and I think that's why, you know, obviously you'd open up an opportunity that, and open up a time I didn't know I was really prepared for at the moment. I think that summer ended up being big for me. And yeah. That's, I mean, it's a really cool story.

So let's talk some NBA now. Where do we want to start? You want to start with Firegarpacks? We'll get that out of the way. You're the host, man. I mean, what, what is the, I'll phrase it this way, what knowing everyone in the league, what does everyone else's thought of how the bulls

are run right now? I think everyone on a league is expecting some level of change. I think that everyone's, you know, for the last several years, I think there's been a thought of like, you know, this, you know, the front office probably isn't as where it needs to be, right? In 2020, it's a lot different than it was, you know,

five years ago, 10 years ago, 15 years ago. It's a lot about relationships. A lot of like, like you need to be able to manage players, manage their agents, manage their camps, manage negotiations, manage your own front office, have depth in your front office, have create like the constant, like the best organizations right now are the ones that, you know, there's like a constant flow of

information Intel and now it's, you know, 2020, there's a lot of information out there, right? So having a front office that can decipher all that information and come up with creative ideas and creative ways to move you forward. And, you know, I do think the bulls are at a point now where they understand that, you know, we need to build out some depth in our front office.

We need to build out some people that can bring those creative ideas and it's not going to come from just like, kind of doing what we've been doing for like 15, 20 years. I mean, yeah, you just explained everything and all I'm thinking about is like, the fixes have been John Paxon hiring his brother and bringing in Doug Collins, who's like 80. Yeah, I got nothing on that, but what I can say,

his son is younger. We've got to get smarter. We've got to get younger. Hire somebody that's got a talented son and then in hopes that he'll come work for your organization one day. Yeah. So, all right, so let me flip it then to the rest of the league. What would you say is the most forward thinking organization,

you know, or you can rattle off a few that are doing things the right way that are always on the, you know, cutting edge, hiring more people, analytics, whatever it may be. I mean, I look, you know, you got to look at the thunder. I think they've done a good job. The Nets, I mean, obviously getting KD and Kyrie, I think a lot of the Nets's situation has to do with creativity, but also information, like being three,

two, three steps ahead of the curve on like, all right, like let's plan out two, three, like the Nets planned out Kyrie and KD like three years in advance. Right. Like that's how early they were thinking about it. That's how creatively they were thinking about it. Indiana, I think has a great kind of culture already set and, you know, what those guys have done,

like with Victor Oladipo missing, you know, most of the season so far for them to be, whether it were a fit seed right now ahead of Philadelphia. I think that's a testament to the culture that they built there. Those are the three that really come in my mind off the jump. But I mean, listen, they're great ones throughout. Like San Antonio has been well regarded at every stop.

They have Brian right now running the show there. So R.C. Buford's kind of taking a little bit of a step back in terms of day-to-day operations, but they were really the model organization. You see, Sean Marks came out of there. Dennis Lindsay came out of there. Sam Preston came out of there.

So I think a lot of it has come through there, but you got to give the Clippers a lot of credit, too. Like they've built out a great front office of just depth over there, too, like Lawrence Frank, Michael Winger. I mean, the list goes on and on. Like their front office is five, six people deep. I think that's how you have to be now. What's going on at Cleveland right now?

When did things become totally unsalvageable? Was it when that report came out about the thugs, slugs comment that he made during the film session? Was there something that was much deeper brewing ahead of that? So we wrote a story in early December on The Athletic, where we said like, I mean, we had like three players not quoted by name, but being quoted in the story as far as saying like, basically saying that, you know, this is not,

like this is not working. Like, we're over this. You can say shit. Yeah, we're over this. And that was all the way in December. And so it was, he lost the team back then. And, you know, you kind of, and I kind of feel bad for him. Everything I'd heard going in was that John Beeline

was a great guy. He always had a great reputation as a person. But just the instant he got in there, like he did not mesh with those guys. And his, you know, one person described him as a dictator. And that's not the way you talk to NBA players. It's not the way you behave with NBA players. And that kind of goes back to the front office regime, right?

Like you need to be understanding. It's a lot of taking on information that you're getting and then applying it. You have to make your own decisions, but you have to take what you're getting information-wise. And I don't think Beeline ever did that. And he really lost the team then. And then once that thug comment was made,

and he went back and said, no, I meant slugs. I think the players knew that that was. You never said slugs. Yeah, it's so funny that you can tell. And I had a player tell me, that's bullshit. Yeah, of course it is. That's not, you know. But at the end of the day, listen, like,

do I understand kind of what he was meaning? Probably, like you could, if he had said, guys, you know what, I said that. That's exactly what I said. This is why I said it. Like you guys weren't playing tough or whatever. Like I think the players probably would have respected it more. But then when you come with the like, I meant to say slugs.

I think that's where, you know, the guys are lost. Intelligence at that point too. To be like, you'll buy this line, you'll buy anything I say. But I feel like with a coach like that, everybody when he signed with the Cavs, it's like, what are you doing? You're a great college coach.

Your system works in a college environment. It's not going to work in the NBA. You have to imagine that he had a plan, at least in his head, of how he could adapt. Did he just not even try or did he try and it went sideways? I think he thought that what his methods were in college were going to work at the NBA level. And it just wasn't even close.

And it's crazy to think about, because he had such a cushy job at Michigan. He would have stayed in Michigan for however long he wanted to stay. And now he's one and done in the NBA. Couldn't even make it to the All-Star game. Like I remember just working on the reporting of this story. And like that weekend, like around All-Star weekend,

a lot of high-level executives were talking about like, hey, like he's retiring, or he's stepping down at the end of the season. I'm like, what? No, there's no way. No fucking way. Not even one and done. No way.

Half and done. And then the more you track it, they were like, yo, he might resign, or they might part ways during the week, like after All-Star break. I mean, it's probably one of the most shocking like departures of a coach. I mean, in a recent time,

I think the last coach to last this little time was in like 81. So it was just, and then the guy's playing like the thug music after, like he says the line, like, you know, I had a player walked into the team bus with like beats. You're like, like, you know, that audio player that you had, that you just holding your hand.

Yeah, the pill thing, yeah. Just like blasting trick daddies on the thug. And like B-Line's sitting like first chair. Like, it's insane. That's perfect. I don't know when this is going to air, but I'm actually, I bet on the Cavs tonight, just like the dead cat bounce back game,

where they're just like, yeah, I mean like they will, they'll play harder tonight. They'll play hard for JB Biggers. Right, and they'll play harder just to be like, oh, he really was the problem. Because like Kevin Love now, I mean, I think we can all, we all know that he was one of the leaders of,

I'm not really buying into this. He's going to play harder to be like, hey, I'm proving a point that that was never going to work. He said it. I mean, I think he said it publicly pretty much. He showed up to camp like two seconds before the season started, which was a pretty clear sign

that he didn't want to be there. But you know, I've never seen it. I've never seen a team kind of revolt or, you know, feelings toward a coach kind of like quite like this. Like one to 15. We're not even talking just the stars or just like select young players. This goes to like the end of the bench,

like the 15th man and you don't, you typically, there's got to be like one guy that's like, you know what? I'm cool with this. Right. It, yeah. It was, and this, you got to, you got to also point the finger to, you know,

the front office and the ownership. Yeah. For them to go and hire him. Like you, this, they couldn't have saw this coming. It was not a good sign. No. I noticed that when Big Cat's phone just dinged, you instinctively grabbed at your phone.

Had you ever get anxiety? It's my baby monitor at home, swear to God. That's beautiful. Do you get anxiety if you like leave your phone in a different room for five minutes? Yeah, no question. I mean, I've missed, you know, stories probably cause I'm like a minute later, 30 seconds less.

You just, you always got to be on. I mean, like going to school when I was a kid, like I would walk out of classrooms for like 20, 30 minutes at a time because I'm just like, I, you know, I got to take this. And people at the time, I don't think they knew why I was like leaving for like 20, 30 minutes.

And the teacher would be like, hey, like we need to talk after class. All right, here we go again. Dude, your life is a movie. They're going to write a movie about this. Like 16 years old walking into the hallway and taking calls from GMs and stuff. That's it right there.

That's a movie. You guys got the first. Yeah, all right. Perfect. We'll write it. We will write the movie. If you're cool with some dogs and boners being put in. We'll get it.

We'll get it. We'll get it. So Anthony Davis, any chance he goes anywhere but the Lakers in this off season? I don't see it. I don't see it. No, I don't see it. Toy with anyone?

I don't see it. I mean, you know what? The Knicks, you know, we're in New York now. Like the Knicks, people don't believe it, but the Knicks were really on his mind. Like. Really? The Knicks.

God, I will never play for them on my mind. Man, did you imagine having to play for guys like that? That's the one team I do not want to take a steak dinner from is the Knicks. That's how they were on it. The Knicks never put Mitchell Robinson and Kevin Knox together in trade packages to New Orleans. Just think about that.

And if they did, they probably would have made a little bit more interesting, but they never did. Mitchell Robinson had a great summer. I think a lot of people had high hopes for him. They never put him in any deal. I do think if the Knicks did and put a pick or two, they could have made it interesting.

I do think Anthony Davis would have given them a strong opportunity to stay. He wanted to be either with the Knicks or the Lakers. So is he going to give even a like a meeting to the Knicks this off season or is it just Lakers? Because it's weird. I feel like Anthony Davis is in that situation where, yeah, of course he's repped by clutch.

And yeah, that's LeBron and everything. But clutch also is very empowering to the players and keeping your ability to be a free agent and actually take all the offers is something it seems like clutch is very high on. If their season doesn't go according to plan, like if they lose in like the second round or the conference finals,

like could I see him potentially? Yeah, but I mean, the Lakers have everything he wants. You know, the team he wants, the chemistry he wants, like they have everything. They've done everything in their power to make sure he's involved in all the moves they make. Could he take a meeting? Yes. But I just, I don't see a scenario where he's not a Laker.

Okay. Off the record, that's a little trick. You can say off the record and then record everything and no one follows up on you that. But with LeBron James and the Lakers, how much of the budget for Space Jam 2 is going directly to free agents to circumvent the cap? Is this on?

No, it's off the record. No, it's off the record. We turned everything in the background over. There's no way they could get away with that. But if they were to do it, hmm. Just something to think about. Yeah. No, there's no way. I'm still on paying you.

Good question. I'm getting paid by him. This is off the record. All off the record stuff here. Okay. All right. How about Yanis? Do you think it's good for the league that we're already talking about Yanis being a free agent,

even though he's two years away? Yeah, I mean, that's what everyone eats up. Like, you know, everyone eats that up. I know. I feel bad though for like box fans. Like if you have, if you're a small market team in the NBA and you have a generational star and you're trying to enjoy them and all anyone's talking about is like,

oh, he talked to Steph Curry a little bit after their game. But the thing is, they're so good that you don't hear it as much. Like, I think there's a difference in like, like when he's going to be a free agent, when LeBron was going to be a free agent. Like, I don't think the Cavs were on this like, like they're mowing through the league.

What are they, 48 and seven? Like, it's not even close. They might win 70 games this year. So it's like, it's tough for them to get nitpicked. And like, oh, is he going to stay? Like it's, it's not a topic when the team is that good. Good point. But the one thing about Yanis that I think

everyone around the league has understood, whether you're, you know, behind the scenes, whether it's from the agent community, for an office community, like the guy wants to win period. And so the Milwaukee, you know, they have two years here, like to try to win a championship, try to get to the finals, win a ring. And if they don't, like that gives you all the signs.

Like he wants to compete and he wants to win for a championship. That's literally the only thing on his mind. Do you ever think though, like we always mock like the this league and the player movement and we're fans of the NBA, but there is a little element of sometimes it feels like people are more fans of like Twitter, Instagram, free agency

than they are of the actual games being played. Cause like you said, the bucks are insane. They're so, so good. They're so good. And then still if you ask people like, what's the Yanis story? It's probably, where's he going? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, I do think the league office likes that though. I do think that there is a part of them. I mean, for us to be always talking about the NBA on Twitter or on Instagram, like I think that's a positive. I think that that's a good thing for the league. You know, obviously you hope that the ratings continue to rise for the NBA. But I mean, if you have everyone talking

about whatever part of it, you know, you probably go with the headlines and nothing. Yeah. The buzz is good for the league for sure. Well, do you have a, do you have a dream scoop? A dream scoop. Yeah. Donald Sterling died.

Gar Forman and John Paxson fired. You know, I don't want anyone to do that. Ryan Zerff's selling the team. Dream scoop. Cream scoop. We're talking our dreams. What's yours? I mean, my dream scoop over the weekend

was John B. Line situation. Yeah. I thought I did a okay job with that. So. You did a very good job. I mean, all you can think of is the next one. The next one. That's the right answer.

I don't know what the next one is. I gotta get back to you on that. What, do you have any kind of rivalry with Woj when it comes to the free agency and breaking news? Cause people play into it. I think I'm guilty of it too. I think I actually tweeted like, hey, Shams, are you still alive?

Just checking in on you after Woj. I'm sure everyone was tweeting stuff like that. Definitely did. I saw the tweet I was looking at before. But do you feel any rivalry? Do you get angry when you, you know, someone beats you by a second? Oh, of course you, but that's with anyone,

with everything. Like, that's someone obviously you work with for multiple years. So there's always like that level of respect. And like, that's a role model. I mean, him, guys like him, Brian Windhorst, like Adam Sheffield, those are all guys I looked up to when I was 15, 16 years old.

Like trying to see, you know, if I wanted to do this, once I got caught playing basketball, like I wanted to be in media. I wanted to cover, like I love the behind the scenes. Like all these fans now that I think followed me, followed all these other reporters, that was me like 10 years ago. So I know like the passion and like the craving

of information. So, but at the end of the day, like you can only focus on yourself. Like, cause if you, if you're worried about what other people are doing, you're just, I think that's a distraction in a lot of ways. Yeah. Is it bullshit that Schefter tweets basketball news sometimes?

Like we need to feed him. Leroy should feed him football news. My dog breaks scoops. So, Don't hit me up. Let's get it going. Inside of Leroy, I can give you, I can give you some football scoops

so that you can actually get ahead of Schefter on some stuff. That would really irritate him. You know what? You guys have broken some stuff. The last like couple of years. We've broken some things. Leroy has broken a lot of stuff, about 60% correct. When you mess up a scoop,

do you ever apologize or retract? Because Leroy has a strict policy of once it's out there, it's out there. It was true to him at the time, but there was a material change. I never, I can't remember the last time I was in a situation where it's like, oh, you know, I put that out, I was wrong. You haven't screwed up anything?

There's gotta be one that you haven't done. Oh, you know what? There was one. It was in the draft. But I wouldn't even call it a screw up because, you know, like picks, picks are coming out. I think I had the Cavs picking Keldon Johnson. I think at 26 or wherever they were picking,

late in the first round. And, but you know, these things change like. Material change. We're doing it in real time. So like, we're like three picks ahead. So you're on pick 26, commissioners on pick 23, and you get word that they're going with Keldon Johnson. So now it's like pick 25, then pick 25 happens.

And you're like, all right, it's still gonna be Keldon Johnson. And then you get a text. No, it's actually Dylan Windler. So that was like the last one I can remember where I'm like, I think people thought I messed it up. But like, if you, now that I'm explaining it, giving you context, there's clearly,

there clearly was a material change. There was material change. I like the terminology you guys use. I would say that all the time. I steal it from the guy. Now that I think about it, I'm sure you've seen his Twitter account, the guy Aria out in LA, you've seen it.

He's basically. Kly Leonard is not going to the Clippers. Yeah, he is. You are everything that he thinks he is. Like he's a young kid who thinks he's in the business and he just breaks like completely incorrect tapes and scoops and then just says there was a material change. It's a good line.

It covers everything. It's a great line because materials do change frequently. Things change. It's not a lie. It's gonna be one way and then it went. Then I was wrong. Yeah, but I mean, in terms of a story. I hope mine is a little bit more plausible.

Yeah. I think yours would be. And in terms of a story to screw up, that's probably the least consequential mess up that you could ever have. And I told you where they're actually going. They're going to Dale and Winnler. Right.

You corrected it. Yeah. Do you have alerts set up on your phone for Woj? No. Not for anyone. Do you think he has it for you? I don't know. As you read it, if you're like five seconds late on a story

and everyone replies too late, do you read that? And you're like, fuck. Yeah, the roasting would be pretty good. The teens are out here. How do I answer that? You answer no because if you answer yes, then everyone's going to reply late to you. No, of course it's no, but it's like sometimes it's like,

and it's not even, you know, if usually, unless I have something to add, you know, once the news is out, like if a signing is out, but I have the terms, right? I got to get the terms out. Right. But if it's out and someone has the whole story, I'm probably, you know, fall back.

Just retweet them. Yeah. But that's another- Try to fall back at that point. That's another Schefter technique, though. So he likes to add on sometimes terms, but if he doesn't have the terms, I think it was Adrian Peterson when he signed

with the Cardinals a couple years ago, or no, with the Saints a couple years ago. So he got beat on that scoop. And they said, it's a two year deal for Adrian Peterson to New Orleans. And Schefter quote tweeted it and said, yes, it's a two year deal. And I'm told per sources that they hope to have

Adrian Peterson on the team for both of those years. So like adding in a little nugget of inconsequential terms can actually make, now that's your scoop. Now you own that. I gotta have consequential. Yeah. You gotta have something that's like, all right,

like, all right, I'm learning something in this tweet. You know what I mean? So, but the answer is no. Are you, are you still a fan of like, can you root for the Bulls or do you not root for any team anymore? No, I root for stories. Like people, like the relationships I have

and the stories I have, like there's a difference. Like when I was growing up, obviously, like I was a Bulls fan. Like I remember sitting in like environmental science class, like seventh grade, like waiting to see if the Bulls were gonna get like a TJ Ford. Like we needed another guard that year, I feel. And we didn't end up getting him.

No, cause we never do. But like I was, I was, I was the fan. Like the modern fan that exists now, like that craved information. And so I was, but then once I transitioned into like actually writing and like covering not only the Bulls, but like every team in the league, you just become a fan of the stories

and especially stories that I'm working on. Okay, so let me put it this way then, because I think it's a lot easier probably to make that transition when the Bulls are just terrible. If the Bulls ever get good again and they're in the NBA, you know, finals, will you have a little part of you being like, shit? Like I'm not rooting for stories.

I'm rooting for a team here. Probably not. Okay, you are. I'm trying to crack it. You're a big journalist. I'll be there. I definitely will be there. But you could have the best of both worlds

and say what a great story this would be if the Bulls won the NBA title. It would be a great, I mean, they haven't won it since the Jordan years. So whatever team is able to bring them back to that prominence, I mean, they're gonna have, and I thought at one point it was gonna be those Bulls, those Derrick Rose Bulls.

I know you guys had that joke came out earlier. He was saying that it was, I mean, that's the best Garpacks line is that they still were covering from Derrick Rose. It wasn't that 10, 11 years, it was really 11, 12 where they thought, like I remember that I was, that was my senior year. And that was when I was working on players like John Lucas,

the third, and Mike James signing like 10 days. You remember those guys? Like they would come back every other week on 10 days. And I remember reporting on those stories, but like I knew that was the year these guys really mentally thought that they were gonna win it all. And then obviously what happened happened, but you know, whatever team ends up bringing them back

to that position where they're a championship team, they're gonna be legends in the city forever probably. What, give me a team that's building something that you're like, you got your eye on. Because I feel like the NBA, you know, obviously you need a star. It feels like you need a star to attract a star, but what team do you see like, hey, that team,

they're like one piece away or they're building something or they're thinking two years in advance. Maybe you're Nets today, but three years from now. That's a good question. Great question, put me on the spot. Awesome, awesome question. I like what Miami's doing right now. Ooh, that's PTA's team.

That's my heat. They already got Jimmy Butler, so it's like they don't, it's not like they don't have, J-Bud, that's what we call him. So it's like they don't have a star already, but I think, you know, Pat Riley's positioning himself for 2021. And Pat Riley's a master at, you know.

He's an OG. And his nuts and his rings on the table and being like, come to Miami. Listen, to get Andre Godalla, Andre Godalla had no idea or intention in his mind to go play for Miami this year. Like, none. Like I'll rather just stay at home in Silicon Valley.

You know, he had a part-time job in Silicon Valley and he was telling anyone who would listen. Like, I'm good, like. What do you mean a part-time job? Was he like, moving? He had a part-time job. Yeah. For Google.

It was at a firm. What was he doing? I don't have the name of the firm off the top of my head. But he's working for a firm and I don't- Matt's getting a cold call from Andre Godalla in the middle of the season. He's selling, yeah. He's selling like sales force subscriptions.

That's really what he was doing. He was doing manager CRM. It's me. So he wasn't thinking about it at all? No, but then Pat Riley got really and get like, I remember I said that they emerged as a suitor on Tuesday morning. And at that point I was like, you know,

probably not gonna happen. Let me just get it out there. That they're a suitor. At least get some buzz going. And then as the day got, what we're on, it's like, you know, Pat might call and talk to Andre. And then the next day it's like, Pat Riley and Andre Godalla got on a call

and Pat sold Andre. Now, obviously that- I was looking at his phone. Get a buzz. What do we got? Read it, just read it. Just read it. Here, you tell me I'll have Leroy break it.

Just read it. What does it say on your phone? I have something actually. Oh, you do. Break it. Oh, live breaking news. It's a live tweet. Breaking moves.

Do, do, do, do, do, do, do. Can I go on a call? Can I make a call? Yeah, do it. On air. I mean, we won't air this. They're releasing me to air this on Monday, so you're fine.

I think Markie Moore's got a buyout. Oh, wow. I see which contender he's signing with right now. Ooh. Smash it. Wait, where did Marcus go? I'm catching a secondhand rush right here. Yeah.

Yeah, Clippers. Him and Isaiah. Ooh. Twins. Twins and twins. You guys love twins. Mm-hmm. Did Marcus get his jersey retired?

And Markief didn't at Kansas? That was awkward. I saw that the other day. It was awkward. They've got, now they got two LeBron stoppers. We're watching Shams, his Twitter, his typing style. He's got a loose pinky that's just floating out there.

Uh-huh. He's really only got two fingers on the right hand. Put the phone closer to the mic so people can hear you touching your phone. Yeah, this is ASMR. This is making news, yeah. This is a young player. I gotta get on what he's going to next

before I put out the buyout. He has a little bit of work to do on his technique. Your finger age is a positive for you in your career. Like, whoa, I'm sure it's borderline arthritic. Mm-hmm. You know what, I thought it helps me and then there are times when I'm typing on my phone and then, like, the story's out and I'm like.

You know what you gotta do? You gotta have a blackberry strictly for business. It's got the keyboard on there. You might shave like quarter second off. So what are you texting right now? Confirm. I'm hitting a few people to see where he's landing because I don't want to put out that he's getting bought out.

I want to know where he's going. That's, that's, that is the Shams. That's the bonus. That's why people go to you for their news because they're not just getting the transaction. They're getting the impact. You think so? Yeah.

This is also our breaking news since it's on our show. Right, so everyone credit us even though, again, it probably is gonna come out much much later. Oh no, dead end. It's not happening. Twice. How much, how much money would I have to give you for me to get to use your phone for five minutes?

No restrictions. He's locked in. What would you guess, PFT? You could pay me whatever I want to get. You said one billion dollars? No. What? You're out of your mind.

No, actually, I probably do. Yes, there you go. Geez. What about the guy that the Morris twins tried to beat up because he fucked their mom? He might know. Oh, fuck. All right, Seeky question promo code take $10 off

your Seeky purchase. Go to a basketball game. PFT, what, let's put the clock on it. Let's bet this. Okay. How much time do you think it's gonna take Shams to get first? I know he got bought out and I was like, where's he going?

You gotta find out the extra detail. I don't wanna say he got bought out and then someone else says, oh, he's going. Right, right, right. I'm gonna miss out on that. It'd be real shame. What do you think? What's your guess?

The amount of time he's gonna find to figure this out? I'm gonna go $2.15. All right, I'll go $3.25. Okay. The clock has started. Let's see. I'm gonna try to find it online. Let's see.

What is Markyf Morris liked recently on Instagram? Ooh, that's not a bad way to go. Morris. I'm gonna check it. Check out his likes on Twitter. Yeah, all right. This is precious. I just put out the buyout.

Oh, he tweeted it. He tweeted it. Pistons Ford Markyf Morris has agreed to a contract buyout leak source to tell Athletic Stadium. So James Edwards did have it, but he actually said working towards. He works with us.

I didn't even see it. But you have the actual, he has agreed to a buyout. When did he tweet it? Oh, he said two minutes ago. Yeah, but he had this by five minutes. Yeah, and he also said working toward. You have it confirmed. It's bought out.

Isn't everyone working towards a buyout? That's the goal. I mean, there it is. All right, so I just retweeted that for you. There you go. Let's read the replies. Lakers, Lakers, Lakers. I think it is.

At Sixers, here he comes. Sixers, Sixers. I'm a snag. Damn, everything changing. This guy just did cry emoji, cry emoji, cry emoji. Woj is your daddy. There's a gift of J-butt, probably going to Lakers. Announce him to Lake Hurrah.

So they misspelled Lakers, but they'd like you to announce him. All right, this guy's a Lakers fan. He said, all right, bro, if we don't sign this motherfucker, I'm done. LMAO. This doesn't seem like he's done. No, I don't think he's actually laughing either.

Yeah. Sixers, oh. A lot of Lakers going on. A lot of Lakers. Washing sound with a clip. Stanley from the office. I just got to that. That's a good one.

He's asleep. I don't know what that has to do. Oh, he's saying that it's a boring scoop, I think. James Harden. We got to find the, oh, this is good. It's a helicopter. It's got the light and says, we got to find who the fuck asked.

So someone's saying like, no one cares, Sean. It's like, who the fuck cares? Rob Polinka. I think it's the Lakers, bro. I'm not 100. We got it. We got to get 100. We can go as long as you want.

Here's one of LeBron just looking at it. Are there any other good replies? Uh, no, nothing really. Everyone's just saying Lakers. Piston tank season, let's go. Howard Boston, Celtics, China. Someone tweeted Derrick Rose in Detroit. Yep, that's true.

That's good. That's good. It's a Will Smith. All right, you're at two and a half minutes, so you've surpassed what PFT thought. Sean Baum. We got to get the team, though. This one said, oh.

Most of Twitter is saying Lakers. Yeah. But they're just random people that are saying it. Fuck me, right, daddy, you make me wet. That's a weird one. It's got a video. You're going to retweet that one? Clippers LOL.

Lakers have to get this move at Vino on Cork. Do you think that LeBron James has a Vino problem? Yeah. Sheesh. All right, we're going to end this interview with you. Does Leroy have anything? Leroy, find out. You need to get on this.

Someone said to the Lakers confirm, but they use the SpongeBob font, so I don't think it is. It's probably not that. Yeah. Yeah. It's probably not that. That means that it's not confirmed. Yeah.

If I understand memes. Raptors. Okay, let's see what Leroy has here. Leroy, you piece of shit. You were wrong about the New York Giants job going to Matt Rule. Ooh, that's not good. That hurts. Ooh, my.

Woj is asleep. Woj hasn't tweeted anything. I'm pretty sure it's the Lakers or Toronto. This is your scoop. We got to get it. Oh, I'm hearing that Steve Sarkeesian is going to be the coach of Colorado football. All right, I'm going to help you out.

I'm going to quote, treat you and say, anyone know where he's going? See if that helps. Get everyone talking about it. Anyone know where he's going? John Bayline going to Boston College. Whoa. It's going to happen.

Who said that? This is a report. No, stay on your. I could stay on my. Don't get. This is Leroy's. This is Leroy's tip inbox here. Don't get sidetracked.

Oh, he said I had a dream that this was going to happen. So it's going to happen. Feel free to run with this. Okay, right now. Probably that's unconfirmed. What's the team? Someone had a dream that he was going to coach for Boston College.

All right. So right now I have one vote for New Zealand breakers, one vote for Lakers, one vote for. You tweeted out. That's what they're saying. Yeah. Clippers, one vote for bowls. It would be pretty sick if you were with the Clippers, right?

Yeah. I was actually first reported by me if you're going to report that. I did. He's not going to the Clippers. Well, yeah, because you don't want me to be right. That's fucked up, man. All right, let's see what we need to get this.

What's the hardest thing? We're not leaving until we get this. I mean, we'll edit it so it went by very fast. We'll make you look good. I bet. But, damn. This is, who could I call? Oh, I could call Blake.

Should I call Blake? Blake Griffin? Yeah. All right, I'll call Blake. Actually, you should. Yeah, I'm going to. I'm trying to get to the bottom of this. Do you think Blake's in the know?

Maybe. He's got nothing better to do right now. It might be in Cabo. No, oh, what's up? Tell me who you are. No, we're with Shoms right now. We're trying to break a story literally on air, but it's taped, so we're probably not going to break

for like five days. Do you know where Marquise is going? Lakers of Toronto. Oh, gosh. Damn. What are we doing here? He just got. We were literally interviewing Shoms,

and he was like, holy shit, Marquise Morris just got bought out, and we won't let him leave the podcast studio until he gets the team. So now I'm working my sources by calling you. Yeah, he's one of the Lakers, but I don't know. That's what I'm hearing, yeah. Okay, so we got one vote for Lakers from Blake. Do you have Derek Rose's number?

You can FaceTime him in. Where are you right now? I'm not with Derek right now. I don't know where I'm at, Dan. Okay, are you with Marquise? I'm sitting next to Marquise. Where are you going, Marquise? Lakers.

Oh. I can't hear you. I don't know if I'm fucking with us or not. God damn it. Marquise sounds a lot like me for some reason. All right, fine. All right, well, thanks. We'll put your opinion into the pool,

but we're trying to confirm it, so I'll let you know. Yeah, I would say Lakers. Okay, that's one vote. One vote. Can I make another call? Is it a source? No. All right, your vote doesn't count.

Tell Blake I said what's up. He says what's up. Sean says what's up. Don't mess it up. All right, hey, he says what's up. Perfect. I'll talk to you later. I'm pissed that I don't have this right now.

I can tell. Fucking pissed I don't have this right now. I mean, you gotta get it, dude. This is like, this is your entire reputation on the line. What is everyone doing tonight for the weekend? I'm going to a great Mexican place tonight. Yeah, got reservations and everything. Oh, I'm going to fill up on chips.

I'm going to fill TF up on chips. Did you eat a big lunch? No, I barely ate lunch at all because I ate 35 chicken wings last night and I've been pooping all day. Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah. Hank, are you going anywhere?

Yes, very excited. Yes, we do our predictions, two late predictions. Yeah, I think it's going to be Fury. Ooh, I think Wilder's going to win. I just like both their last names. Like, what a cool matchup of heavyweight fighters. Fury, Wilder, wow. Yes, yes.

Right now I'm hitting like just everyone I know that might know. Yeah, fuck, all right. Who do I know that would know? No, I mean, I do think it's the Lakers of the Raptors, I think. But I want to actually. Oh, maybe. Oh, you know what, we're still in might know. Oh, let's call we're still.

Oh, you got beef? No, I don't know beef. Oh, sounds like you got beef. That's immediate. All right, we're going to get to where you're still in the mix. Yo, we're still up. You're on the air. What's your beef with Shams, dude?

He's right here. OK, good. All right, I think you did. I didn't think you did. But I was like, so all right. So here's the story. We're interviewing him. And he's got news about more.

Yeah, no, he's freaking out right now. So he got news about Marquise Morris getting bought out. And we told him he can't leave the studio until he finds out which team. And that was like 20 minutes ago. So he's freaking out. And I'm calling my sources. And then I was like, oh, I'm going to call Racillo.

And he had a face. And I was like, yo, what's your beef with Racillo? So long story short, where's Marquise Morris going? I'd probably say Western Conference. Oh, so that eliminates the Raptors. No, I have no idea. I have no idea. Damn.

He do like, what kind of eye roll was it? Was it like, hey, that guy's awesome? Or was it? No, it was keep everything in the room. Yeah, no, it was, I don't know. It was like, it was kind of weird. It was more like, you know what it was? It was probably jealousy.

Hey, what's up? It's PFT. Hey, Ron, it's probably Shoms just being mad and jealous that Big Cat had your number because he thought that he was your best friend. Was that it, Shoms? He won't answer. He's just texting right now, trying to figure it out.

I wouldn't say it was a bad eye roll. It was more like a, I think he actually might have, now that I'm replaying in my head, he was mad that I would tip you off to Marquis Morris, letting you get the scoop. Yeah, I'm not really, I'm not really in that world. Like I have information at times, and every now and then I'll send out something, or if I think something's right or wrong,

I'll be like, hey, this is kind of what I'm hearing. But, you know, I think if you're a 24-7 information guy, you probably live down on anybody else that dips their toe into it. Right. It's kind of like year round draft guy that then has to hear from like talk show host who four days before the draft is like, you know who I love.

Yeah. And you're like, dude, you didn't even watch him. You just read my mock draft. So maybe he's just, uh, I don't have a question. Oh, oh, oh, wait, wait. Is it Lakers confirmed? He doesn't feel confident. I agree with what you're saying.

No, they're a front runner. They're a front runner. Oh, a front runner, what the fuck? Leader in the clubhouse. That's all I can say right now. There's a lot of nervous energy in here. OK. That's all I can say right now.

If he looks down on me dipping my toe in the information thing, I actually would agree with him. Yeah. So was that what that was, Shams? No, that was I keep everything in house. Oh, he wants to just keep everything in house. So I'm going to do this right now. Bounty, 500 bucks, whoever gets to scoop first.

Can you call someone? I could. I don't feel like it. Can you just? You could just call back and say a team and we wouldn't care. Can you just tell us who to call? Yeah. I don't want to get it.

I don't want this to turn to the Kauai thing where people start having Kauai's kids that rolled in elementary schools outside of the car. Oh, we should text Shaster. That kid's school thing, like that kid still has to go to school in Toronto when his dad left. Oh, he does? He goes to school?

Oh. I'm making fun of the idea that you're going back to the rabbit and doing the roll. Yes. But I do like that idea that somebody should do an interview with him, although he doesn't do them, where you're just like, hey, how tough is it on your kid right now? Like going back to Toronto?

Yeah, I'm reading this report from June. And man, that sucks. All right. Hey, let's get an update. Yeah, so if you do hear anything, I honestly think at this point, Shoms is never getting this scoop. Like, we're going to die.

I mean, we kind of got ahead of it, though. We said. But we don't have the team. Yeah. No, we said Lakers. What's your leader? There's a front runner. I need to run with this.

I'm pretty good. Yeah, you're right. No, you're right. Here's what I do love about information, guys, is because they're in such competition with each other, is that they'll do sort of the vague, like, all signs, point to Lakers when they know it's the Lakers, but they can't actually say it's the Lakers.

Yes. And it turns into a roll. And then there's the parasite information. What's up, man? What's up? You're going to laugh. Shoms is going to laugh about this. My favorite is the parasite information people that

don't actually have any good information. And then, like, somebody will break, like, here's where he's signing. And then the person, like, two minutes later, who had nothing to do with the story will say, sources have told me the locker room loves his fit. Yep. Yep.

Oh, we'll do that. We're going to do that to Shoms, yeah. They love his fit. They just sign it. Oh, man, he's freaking out. Like, this has literally been, like, 20 minutes that he's just been stuck in our studio. That dude, those information, it's brutal.

Like, I can't believe anybody dates him. Oh, wow. That was a little bit of a low blow. What happened? Do you have a girlfriend? No. Exactly. No.

That's his point. It's tough out here, man. It's tough. It's kind of like if you leave, you know, when you leave the classroom for 20 minutes, right? Yes. And the same, you know, the teacher kind of was like, all right, we got to talk.

Yeah. It's the same thing if you're on a date. Yeah. Since he had news, like, he was in the news business as a college kid, did he ever go out, like, on quarter-draft Wednesdays and miss a scoop because he fell asleep like? No, never did that.

No. I was fully engaged. But fully engaged. But there were times where you'd go to, like, lunch dates. You're wildest, like, college story. Like, when everyone's like, dude, we went on this radio, you're like, dude, do you remember when John Salomon's got bought out, like, from a 10-day contract?

That was me. That was me. It was a wildest night we've had. Do you have any scoops that are now beneath you to report? There are more. There's some. There are a lot now that, like, you know. Now we're just back into the interview, Ryan.

Yeah, you're just part of this. Ryan, you're tagging along. You just asked a real question. Yeah. Ryan, do you have any questions for Psalms? Yeah. Um, let's see here. Wow, you're really unprepared for this.

This is good. No, I don't want to waste it. It's like my one wish. Yeah. Let me see here. Let me see. Is, did Russell Westbrook prove that he's one of the toughest competitors?

Did Russell Westbrook prove he's one of the toughest competitors in the NBA because he went at Lee and Marquis Chris in a blowout against the Warriors? Good question. That was weird. That was like, why is Mike Dantone even having the game at that point, you know? Yeah.

Probably better off resting and preparing for Saturday. You're going to just do this. You're going to be like, like, honest, staying or going. Yeah, we did that. We did that. Here, you did that, yeah. You know how I like this. This is your first podcast.

Yeah. He talked about how the Bulls need to, like, reconfigure their front office. And he's like, oh, well, like, so you mean hiring John Paxson's brother and Doug Collins isn't getting younger and smarter? That seems personal. Yeah, that was personal.

He didn't actually respond to that because he's got relationships, whereas I do not. Are we ever going to get this? Hey, Ryan, could you? We might be here until six. What was the end of that story about, we were trying to remember this, when Mark Heath and Marquis tried to fight that dude that fucked their mom?

That one, I don't know anything about. I sort of dabbled in conversations about information, but I'm going to let somebody else add to that. All right, well, if you do hear about where he's going, please call back or text so that we can beat Shoms to the scoop. It's now going on. You have to keep this in mind, too, though, why this might dry like a day, because the Lakers

would have to cut someone. Oh, the Lakers have to cut someone. Who would the Lakers cut, Ryan? I don't know. It's getting rid of all the draft picks that LeBron didn't like. So I don't know, I'm going to have to pull up the roster now. All right, pull up the roster. We got time.

This might take a day. Let's just get back to it. Let's get back. I don't want to. This is not going to take a day. Come on. It might take a while, man. I'm not going to lie.

All right, let's look at who the Lakers. This is what's going to happen is an agent's going to find out his kid is getting cut. So that's how you break it. Yeah, right. So we've got to figure out now this is working. So now we've got to figure out who the Lakers are going to cut, and then we call that agent.

The agents of the players that are prime targets. Right. Not Caruso. No, no, you can't get rid of Caruso. Dude, he's an all-star. Yeah, I mean, his minutes. He probably plays like less minutes based on what people. Like, I'm not saying he's not good, but you look and you're

like, oh, wait, he doesn't play a ton. Yeah. Well, they can't get rid of Giannis's brother. Oh, I forgot to add them. LA lost their minds. That was like two straight days of LA radio of like, will LeBron take a pay cut? How will that offense work?

And you're like, you know, it seems a little early to be doing this. That's like when the White Sox signed John Jay. And they're like, he's best friends with Manny Machado. Not feeling good? Do you get vibes? No, eventually. Do you get vibes, though?

Like, you're feeling just the vibes of the scoop right now, and you're like, it doesn't feel right. It feels like it'll take some time, because the legs have to cut someone. My experience, like, sometimes when a team has someone to cut, it's sometimes it takes the player a while to like, finally, like, yeah, I'm going there. Talon J. Lee Horton Tucker.

He might be pulling him up right now. He's only played in two games. And I can't imagine they're going to get rid of a guard. Yeah, fuck. All right. This whole buyout thing is so overrated, though. It turns into this, like, massive arms race, and then everybody's like, we've got this guy.

Like, how is Reggie Jackson even going to play for that team? Right. All right, well. For the Clippers. All right, good stuff, though. Yeah, this has been great stuff. So I don't even know how much we're going to keep. I actually think if you don't hear from Shams ever again,

we kidnap them, so. All right, well, good luck. All right, thanks. All right, that guy's nowhere, so what should we do now? If you were to guess, are you thinking, like, 12 hours on this one? I'm guessing a few hours. A few hours, OK.

We can order some pizza. We'll just stagger our piss breaks. Yeah. All right, do we have any last questions to wrap it up? Is there any scoop that's beneath you? I wouldn't say beneath, but more like, you know, I think I thought we have so many writers now, like, for all these markets that, you know, if I'm able to ever share, like, kind

of, you know, if it's a 10-day, you know, G-League call-up or, right, you know, two-way contract. Like, I always try to, you know, we have so many hardworking guys, I always try to look out for some stuff. Do you ever get confused to all the different types of contracts that exist in the NBA? Because that's honestly the most confusing part of following the league for me, is like, two ways and 10 days and all

that stuff. Yeah, I used to be, but now I feel like I'm pretty good. But I mean, I remember one time I reported that Tony Rotten had agreed to a three-year deal with the Knicks. And the funny part is it really wasn't my fault, because literally the Knicks, at that point, they were being led by Phil Jackson, they were negotiating a three-year deal with the player, but they can only offer two years.

So they agreed to a three-year deal, not knowing that they can only offer two. And so at that point, I didn't understand the contracts. And I mean, like, you know, the salary cap, oh, I didn't even know, like, oh, the Knicks could only do two years. So I reported three. And then after that, a bunch of people were in my mention saying, they can only do two, they can only do two.

And so I looked kind of like, you know, stupid. Had to go back, fix it, but now I feel like I have a pretty good understanding. Gotcha. Do you agree with Chris Broussard that texting and DMing on Instagram are the same thing? Ooh, good question, PFT. You were just asking about the question in general.

Could you say, like, I was texting with Kevin Durant the other day, but in reality, it was just him talking shit to you on Instagram. Yeah, he was calling you a bitch on Instagram. Is that texting? I think you need to. Probably need to separate the two. I would agree with you, you know what I mean?

That's fair, I agree with you. All right, Shams, thank you. Appreciate it. Maybe next time you can actually break some news. No, it's confirmed. It's the Lakers. Lakers? Lakers, good job.

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who is quickly. Only 21. Only 21, who is quickly becoming. You know that a guy is having an ascendant year when he starts getting the top 10 in the league overall. I thought you were going to say, because LeBron dedicated an Instagram post. No, I mean, he's been incredible.

There's that. It's simply incredible. And then when you have an older guy that's about to become a free agent, like whisper stuff into his ear after the game, that's when you know that you've reached that. At least they're linking up. But he did get a new tattoo on his back. Huge tattoo.

God's will. God's will. No apostrophe, though. God's will. God's will is God's will. He is God's will. He right. But wait, there's no apostrophe.

Yeah, God's will is Jason Tatum. Yes, his what if his name was William? That would actually be pretty sweet. Yeah. I think it's a great tattoo. But even if people think it's not a great tattoo, everyone, when they're 21, you know, that's when people make bad decisions about tattoos. So it's just no different than any other kid.

That's going to be the Boston version of the sublime tattoo. Every kid that turns 20 is going to get the God's. God's will right across their shoulder. I mean, it's not as bad as LeBron's. The chosen one on his back. It's at least dude. He doesn't want to shout out. Listen, LeBron, just because he got the chosen one tattooed on his back

when he was like 17, he doesn't want people calling him king. That I don't know who came up with that. I'm King James to call King. Well, that's a shout out to God to the Bible. Remember when he had Brani, Jr. Changes number, changes number, because he doesn't want people to think of LeBron James when they see LeBron James, Jr. Oh, wait.

That makes a lot of sense. So so he's he got this tattoo. He got roasted for online. I noticed because it was like poking out the sides of this jersey. The plastic. Yeah, that's that's what I don't like. I don't like it poking out the sides. Either like the just like straight up be all tatted or have the Kevin Durant business that's also another Boston icon.

Ben Affleck also has a great back tattoo. That's a dragon, right? Yeah. There's a snake. But it's just a theme, you know, if you want to be if you want to be the guy in Boston, the big ass tattoos on your back. Yeah. Hey, you're you're right. He's 21. So why not? Go do it.

Go get a crazy tattoo and maybe you can fill it out and throw in a pot. The good news is that you can put an apostrophe in there. That's true. You can. It's easier to add that than it is to have it taken away. Do you think he's going to add it? I think so. I think someone will. I think he will. Because he like again, he is top 10 player in the league.

Like he's if he wants to be the best player in the league, he cannot have grammatically incorrect tattoos. That's what kind of sucks is Kevin Durant. People like didn't know he had tattoos till he was like five years. They were all grammatically correct. They are. Yeah. He has a W across his stomach. Look at him all.

That's why he's going to sign with the wizard. It's tough to spell check somebody's back. They don't like make a program for that. That's true. That's true. And it really sucks for the tattoo guy who probably thought he nailed it and was like, this is going to be sick. I'm going to get so much business from this. Well, he was referred to him by Brock Osweller.

Yeah. So Brock Osweller. Man, you just can't get those apostrophes. What do you think Brock Osweller is just hanging out right now with millions and millions and millions of dollars and just hanging and just probably spending it on stupid shit. He does have a Super Bowl right now. It's true. So that's kind of cool. All right. Seeing red.

Jim Boylan is addicted to calling timeouts with the Bulls completely out of the game with like 30 seconds left. He did it again on Saturday night. Zach Levine got upset, rightfully so. But the Jim Boylan called the timeout with 30 seconds left down 10. And when asked about it afterwards, he said, is there a chance that maybe I'm more competitive in those situations? I think I have to own that.

So is he does this? Does this make him tougher to bet on or against? Well, so he his line of thinking is it's a young team and everything's a teachable moment. And also the Bulls had one random game where they came back from like down eight in 40 seconds in November. So he and his mind is like, we're about to come back at all times. He also, I think Jim Boylan is so disgusted with losing.

He is a football guy and a basketball guy's suit. He's so disgusted with losing. I think he uses timeouts at the end of a game to literally stop time to delay the inevitable loss. I got you. Like he can basically say, look, it's almost like it's almost like the end of Sunday night football when you're like, I don't have to go back to work. And as long as Sunday football is going on, it's over time in Sunday

night football, he's calling timeouts being like, we haven't lost yet. Two things about that. One, I think if you call timeout at the end of regulation, you can get your team to listen to you. Yeah, they're a captive audience after the game. Maybe not so much. They go in the locker room and they they do whatever they want. So if he really wants to yell at somebody, he's like, I have to do it

while we're still like on the sideline, also completely tune me out. The second is it's better to call too many timeouts at the end of games than is to not call enough. Then to screw up. I can't take him home with you. Absolutely not. You got to use them up. Maybe maybe he wants to make sure that no one can look back and be like, hey, what's that, man? That, you know, the Suns went on a 15-0 run.

Why didn't you call timeout there? Well, you had one left. He's he's he's basically eliminating all the incriminating evidence that he's a bad coach. Yeah, if you're if you're a coach, you want to be seen coaching as much as possible. Right. So it looks like you're busy. That's actually a secret to work life in general. Yes, always look busy.

So Boylan, by using timeouts, he's making sure that at the end of the season, Garpax, when they go back and the heavy analysis they do, probably is how many timeouts that are coached. Right. Like, oh, he's been working hard. It's a chart. He did have in the postgame conversation. He said that he talks to John Paxton every day and John Paxton was like, yeah, I love that you're coaching them hard.

I don't think either of those guys like pick their head out of the sand and see what's going on around them, because Jim Boylan telling the media and by way of the media, the fans that he has approval from John Paxton, who everyone fucking hates, that doesn't really he thought he got us there. He thought a checkmate is like, hey, listen, order from on high. I'm allowed to call all the timeouts. OK, so yeah, all you guys are fucking idiots. Yeah, not exactly the person you want to be bring up as a reference.

That reference, know your audience. Right. All right. Last up before we do Monday reading, we have a quick, all you think that was actually breaking news. Madison Bumgardner has been participating in rodeos for the last few years under an alias. What is it? Mason Saunders. Saunders. You think this is so fucking good.

And then he got so the someone from the athletic uncovered it and asked him about it, and he wasn't really upset that like you would think the the initial thought would be Madison Bumgardner saying, hey, I'm pissed because now like a team could basically put this in my contract that I can't compete or they could take back some of the money if I get injured. He's just mad because his alias is blown and he can't just go and enjoy a rodeo without being hassled now.

Do you think he ever dated a girl named Mason Saunders as well? Probably. That's probably where he came up with the name. No, do you think he made his wife be one? What was the what was the name of the thing when we had Lockwood in here? Remember his mom and his aunts and his wife were all Cody Lockwood. Yeah, they were some just Lockwood. Just one again, by the way, the second championship. Do you remember that? They were all they all did the same thing.

I don't remember it, but maybe rodeo clowns. I do know. We don't say. I got tagged between apparently they're like the power couple of because of fuck, I'll look it up. Yeah, look it up. But so either way, I would imagine that that massive bomb gunner had his wife maybe be Mason Saunders and do barrel racing, barrel racing, barrel racing. On the tip of my tongue.

Apparently, everyone recognized him when he was doing this. But as part of the rodeo code, correct, they all kept it silent. They're like, we don't want to blow your cover, Madison. We know you're doing this for the love of the Dio. What's the abbreviation for it? For the love of the road. Yeah, I like Dio. The Dio. Yeah.

You you just love to Dio like the rest of us. It's part of the lifestyle that the outsiders won't understand. So we'll keep your secret for you. I like it. So keep doing it, Madison. Everyone just looked the other way. And he said that he can't stop because it's just part of who you are. This is roping, roping cattle. Facts, facts.

All right, let's finish with a Monday reading. What is W. I. B. T. A. What does that mean? Would I be the asshole? Oh, would I be the asshole? So it's kind of a something like the M. I. The asshole or whatever the other one is. All right. So would I be the asshole? Is this the the the heading here?

Would I be the asshole? If I asked my five, five fiance to wear man heels to our wedding. Now, OK, this is good. Five, five is that's that's a little bit much. Well, it depends on how tall she is. Yeah. All right. So a little bit of context. So me, 24 year old female, my now fiance, 25 year old male

have been together for three years. I'm five three and he's about five, five and a half. That's bullshit. It's not round that up. Yeah. Like round that fucking thing up. He's five, seven. He's five, seven.

Come on. Since we're both short, height has never been an issue for us. When I wear my usual heels, we're about the same. If maybe I'm an inch or so taller onto the issue as a bridal gift. My grandmother gave me these absolutely beautiful Jimmy Chu high heels to wear to my wedding. By the way, grandma knew exactly what she was doing. One hundred exactly.

Grandma's five, nine. Yeah, grandma understands exactly what's happening here and she's sending you a message. Yes, I love them and they're definitely not something I'd be able to afford for myself. So they're a true luxury for me. The only problem is that they'd make me about three to four inches taller than my fiance.

I know it wouldn't matter to a lot of people, but I can already hear all the annoying comments people making about me being taller than him. When we first started dating, a lot of people would say things like, Oh my God, I couldn't imagine dating someone under six feet. You guys are like the same size, plus how potentially awkward the photos could look from towering over him. That would be actually very funny. I mean, listen, that you want to make it a memorable day.

You fucking get you look like Tyson Fury fighting Deontay Wilder. Do that. That's how you make it a memorable day to have him pull his pants up like no. To his nipples. No, fucking smash his ear in and have him bleed out his ear. Because if if you do pull your wedding pants up to your nipples, it will look like you have longer legs. That's a good strategy to go about.

Listen, it sounds like you're marrying Mike Bloomberg in which case Mike, he's got enough cash where he should be able to afford some seamless heels. How many he has enough cash to have everyone have an NDA at the wedding to not make those comments. That's true. Yeah, you can't you can't discuss the wedding photos until they've been photoshopped. So how many inches can you get off a heel if you're a guy? Well, here we go.

I want to know I've never tried. All right. So I'm thinking about asking him to wear platform dress shoes. Are those inserts for his shoes to make him taller? That's called the air chef these. But I'm worried he might be offended or feel like I don't like him for him. But I'm also afraid if I don't wear the shoes, it might hurt my grandmother's feelings. Wow, this is really a tough one.

I'm the first granddaughter to get married in this wedding is a huge deal for her. My fiance is very comfortable and confident with himself and his height now. But I know he has made fun of it or people have made fun of it in the past. And I'd hate to be the reason those feelings come back for him. So would I be the asshole if I ask? Yeah, I think you would be. No, I've changed my I've changed my mind. The fact that you're five three tells me that you could go ahead and ask.

If you were five, if you were taller than him already and you asked him to wear the heels, let's say that you're five, six, five, seven. True, true. As you were saying, say you're five, seven and you were wearing these heels that put you up to like five, ten. First of all, that's an asshole move to be five, ten above a guy who's like five, five when you don't have to be. Right. And then you ask him to wear heels to.

I think that's more of an asshole move at this point. It's like, haha, I'm short too, but I'm wearing these heels. Do you mind? It's actually a nice heads up. It actually you don't even have to ask him. You just have to give him the heads up. You're like, hey, I'm wearing these heels. They make me five, seven heads up. Let him decide if he wants it because as long as he has the heads up,

he can do whatever. Also, can you just he's not going to have the heads up. She's going to be true. Well, unless you get the platform, then he has a heads up lift kits. What? What if why can't you just shave heels? Is that crazy? Can you just shave heels? I don't know how heels work. I think you can like put them through a deli slice. Yeah, right. I think that's what Elaine did.

Yeah, right. Yeah, absolutely. You can shave heels. Shout out. Mike Florio. Uh-huh. I'm going to be wearing heels next weekend. Well, you're going to wear heels. I'm in a wedding next weekend and you're going to wear. I think I'm going to be a bridesmaid. In in the zillion beers wedding.

Yeah, you're going to wear heels. I think so. Actually, I don't know. I'm probably going to wear a dress. Really? Yeah. OK. Yeah. Is there anything else you want to say? No, I'm just thinking like it's going to be fun. Yes, it'll be great.

Wearing a dress in Vegas is actually going to be probably a great time. Great, great time. But I make a little extra money at the bar. Yeah, if I probably won't have to buy drinks for myself, I'll shave. Yes. But I might get addicted to it if I end up putting out a pair of high heels and all of a sudden I'm six feet tall. That's true.

You should be the high heels guy. I'm going to make everybody else wear heels shorter guys wear heels around me. I mean, that would be a true alpha move. It would be just make everyone come to your. If you're so self conscious with your height that you start crossdressing just so that you can get taller like three inches. But if you do it like it would be if you wore lifts in your in your shoes, that's a clown move.

If you wore heels, that's a I'm so confident in myself. I don't give a fuck. It's an alpha move. Right. I will dress up as a woman and be six feet tall. Checkmate. All right. That is our show. We will see everyone on Wednesday. We're going to be an indie for the combine.

Going to hopefully get a few interviews out of this out of that. But we will see everyone on Wednesday. Love you guys.