Pardon My Take - NBA W/ Kirk Goldsberry, Randy Moss (Plus Special Appearance From Mike Tirico & Mage The Horse), Nuggets Up 2-0, Celtics/Heat & Fyre Fest

Episode Date: May 19, 2023

The Jamal Murray Game. Nuggets take Game 2 and a 2-0 lead in the WCF and Lebron looked old for the first time (00:00:00-00:14:07). PGA Championship & We have an NHL team now (00:14:07-00:22:04). A side tangent on our support for the A's and fuck you to John Fisher (00:22:04-00:26:08). Heat/Celtics Game 1 and Jimmy Butler continue to be the best player in the playoffs (00:26:08-00:45:32). Kirk Goldsberry joins us in studio to talk hoops, who he thinks gets to the Finals, Adjustments in each series, Wembanyama and much more (00:45:32-01:30:05). Randy Moss joins us to talk Preakness, give us picks and a special appearance from Mike Tirico and Mage the Horse (01:30:05-01:50:19). We finish with Fyre Fest of the week (01:50:19-02:09:42).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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with our knowledge of ball. We also have Randy Moss back on the show talking pre-gness. Giving you some winners. He's got a couple of races that he absolutely loves, both Friday and Saturday. We're gonna talk Celtics Heat Game 1. We're gonna talk some PGA championship and Firefest of the Week, Great Friday show

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The Jamal Murray game, PFT. I was gonna say Jamal Murray has arrived officially. As like a clutch postseason player, that fourth quarter was awesome. Go Nuggets. 23 points in the fourth quarter, a game that it felt like for the first three quarters that the Lakers did what kind of we expected.

They slowed it down. It was a lot, you know, it was a lot slower pace, lower scoring than game one. You know, they had Rui Hachimura just being, the Lakers I'm expecting during this entire run, one of their guys will always step up and be that guy. Tonight it was Rui Knight. I think he started seven for seven,

but the story is Jamal Murray, and him just absolutely being so on fire in the fourth quarter, winning that game for the Nuggets, and also the story is LeBron James looking old for the first time, because he, PFT, whether it was the miss dunk, whether it was, I mean, you know, the flops will happen, but he missed the layup,

like when they were down four with about 20 seconds left, where he stole the ball. He just, for the first time in these playoffs, he looked a little off. You can maybe say it's altitude, but his three point shooting is atrocious, which we'll talk to Kirk Goldsbury about, and it felt like one of those games

that if LeBron had played just marginally better, the Lakers probably steal one. Don't forget his late turnover either. He also, he lost the ball in the paint for the second straight game at the end of the game. Yeah, he looked old, the miss layup, or the miss dunk was hilarious, because he tried to do,

he tried to like send a message with a dunk. He tried to do like a cool dunk on the breakaway, just kind of dribbled off his leg, shout out Rick Bettino, went into the second row, and it was a, it was hilarious. It was one of the more funny plays I've seen LeBron make recently. Two handed layup counts for the same amount of points

as a dunk LeBron. Just a message to all the youngsters watching at home, put that thing off the glass. High glass, go up strong, come down under control. Also at the end, he should have dunked it when he tried to lay it up and he missed that layup. Just dunk it LeBron, you're huge. You can just dunk on people.

Don't try to get cute with it and lay it up. And also the flop was maybe, maybe my favorite LeBron flop of all time, because he got, he did get poked in the eye a little bit, or near his eye. He got his, near his eye. His eye attacked Yokochi's hand. With his eye in the protected circle.

His eye went after Yokochi's hand, yeah. His eye poked Yokochi's finger, and then he fell to the ground, and he slid about like 15 feet into the stands, into the front row, knocked a drink on him. So maybe he was thirsty, maybe he wanted just a gin and tonic. We know that LeBron likes a little sip every now and again.

And then I do have, as much as I love the nuggets this year and last year, and I love their fans, they seem like they're very chill fan base, except for the guy that got the shit kicked out of him at the Suns game last year. They are kind of a bad sports town for giving LeBron a towel to wipe himself off with after he slid into the stands.

You don't do that. You let him get up wet. You don't, you don't try to make him comfortable. You don't dry him off. You're not LeBron's towel boy, okay? Have a little respect for yourself. You actually should Jason kid it and pour even more of your drink on him.

Everyone Jason could accidentally dropped a drink to get an extra time out. Like that's what you need to do. But yeah, I mean, this was a game I thought the Laker, like watching the first three quarters, you thought the Lakers were gonna win because they were doing a pretty good job with Yokech. And I mean, he still, he still had a triple double, right?

Like yeah, he still had an easily triple double. And three steals. Yeah, he, I mean, he's so ridiculous. Like he rolls out of bed and gets a triple double. But with that said, like it did feel like they were at least making him work a little bit more. LeBron was guarding them in the fourth quarter and then Jamal Murray just stole the game.

23, what do I say, 23 points, 23 out of the 32 points the Nuggets scored in the fourth quarter. We're Jamal Murray, who by the way, when we talked to Kirk Goldsbury, we had forgotten or never knew that he's Canadian. So a big one for Canada, huge one. They can't win a Stanley comp. Yeah, they might be able to win an NBA title.

But yeah, I mean, the Nuggets, they hold serve because I do think that this is like this series is gonna be who can win a road game. Like I know the whole cliche series doesn't start to someone wins on the road. The Nuggets have struggled on the road. It was clear the Lakers were struggling in the altitude. So will it just be one of those series

where everyone just holds serve at home? I stand by Nugs in six. And the dumb thought that I always have when it's hockey or when it's basketball that's being played in Denver is does the altitude travel indoors? I don't know if they're playing inside a dome. Is the air inside is a good oxygen or is it thin air?

I don't know the answers to these questions, but it certainly seemed like the altitude played some sort of a factor. Especially you could make the argument on a lot of LeBron's misses that he had. He was missing long. He was sitting off the back iron. Maybe the ball traveled just like half a foot further.

Who knows? 0 for 10 now from three point in this series. Just let him keep shooting them. He can't make them. He hasn't been able to make them. So just let him keep shooting them. It did feel like they wasted the Rui Hachimora game. I did see a great anecdote come across

my Twitter timeline that I wanted to share with you. This is from Myron Medcaf ESPN. He said, one of my favorite Rui Hachimora stories is that one time he was in practice at Gonzaga, and Mark Fugh said he'd made a dumb ass play. Hachimora, who didn't speak much English then, smiled wide because he thought Fugh was comparing him to Demontis Sabonis, who is nicknamed Domas.

Yeah, it's a Domas play. He seems like a fun guy, yeah. Yeah, Domas play. That also begs the question, how many more good Rui Hachimora stories are there if he says one of my favorite Rui Hachimora stories before this? Well, whenever a guy goes, gets on fire this late

in the playoffs, it's usually like anecdote season where everyone's like, hey, this one time I met Rui Hachimora. So yeah, that's true. Like was that, what is he holding back? There's gotta be some other good ones in the tank right there, for sure. Yeah, you're right, they messed up

the Rui Hachimora game, and it feels like he's good for one of these each series. It is also funny that it's a great point by you, like whenever someone has these games, the anecdote's like, it's almost like a eulogy on Twitter. Like, oh, this guy that no one knows about, let's just start talking about him and telling weird stories.

Yeah, here's how weird this guy is that's scoring his shitload of points. Lonnie Walker, when we had the Lonnie Walker game, that happened. The videos of him being in the hot car, when he locked himself in a car with a dog to educate America about how hot it can get in a parked car when it's hot outside.

Yeah, I love the weird stories when it's like, can you believe this is the guy that just dropped 20 on you? And this is like on our deathbed, hopefully we live long lives, but these are how sports fans pick up little stories about players that you'll never forget. Like, you'll never forget Ruri Hachimura. You'll never forget Lonnie Walker,

like all these guys, when they have their moments, they're seared into your brain forever. And you can answer trivia on them for the rest of your life. And that's just, and like, you know, you'll forget birthdays, you'll forget, you know, numbers, you'll forget phone numbers, all like important stuff in life to do your taxes, Hank, but you'll never forget these random players.

And Ruri Hachimura is more than a random player. He was a lottery pick, I believe. But still, like, this is how we gain knowledge of sports fans that we don't need, that will always retain. Yeah, so I watched this game with my mom again, and I made a couple of notes because she's not, she's not what you'd call like an NBA fan per se. I mean, she knows some of the players,

but she was giving me running commentary. So I want to walk you through her analysis of the game, if that's okay. Yeah. So on Yolkich, she calls him Yolk Yolk, which is, I like that name. I like the name Yolk Yolk for him. She says, Yolk Yolk looks like he should not be able

to move at all, but he actually moves quite well somehow. I hate his haircut. He would be more attractive with American hair. His head's too small for his body, but that's all right. It is. That's a fact. It's a little small. Well, his body's just so large.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Like, his head is probably massive. His, yeah, his head's probably a fine size. It's just his body, his body's too big for his head is really what it is. But that's all right. She made sure to say, but that's all right.

On Austin Reeves, he's the other white guy, right? Out of all the white guys, I like his haircut the best. I like his haircut better than Yolk Yolks. Austin Reeves has a little bit of like the Alabama swoop going from like 20 years ago. A little bit, but it's not quite the full-on frat boy swoop. It's like the frat boy's friend from out of town that comes to visit once in a while

because he wants to see what it's like at a big state school. I want to call my shot real quick. Austin Reeves is going to get a cool haircut next year. He's definitely going to like upgrade his look and maybe add some tattoos, yeah. I would like to see him go with a mullet, actually. That would be sick.

He'll be sick. Yeah, show up on like a dirt bike. On Rui Hachimura, she said, he was on the wizards and I try not to pay attention to them, like mother like son. On LeBron, it would be hard to be him or be on a team with him. Facts. And then, yeah, I think that puts it quite well. Like LeBron James, probably, yeah,

he's got a good life because he's rich as shit and he controls basically the entire media right now. But at the same time, probably difficult to be LeBron James. Yeah. And then she said, she asked me if he was better than Jordan. And I said, that's a question that you're going to have to think about for yourself and answer. And she said, well, she's listening to this back.

No. Well, her point was that he's played more years than Jordan, so he's kind of a stack compiler. So what she wants to do is just take, how many years did Jordan play? It was like 13, 14, or if you don't count the wizards, I want to say it's like maybe 15? Let me pull it up.

Well, because it's also the baseball. That's mean to just say, if you don't count the wizards, like that doesn't count as his NBA career. Well, if you don't count them. You should also remind your mom that we've had a great advancement in medical sciences and HCH. Yeah, I did. I did allude to the fact that he has a strict diet of steroids

and red wine. Oh, I nail it, 15. OK, so if you take 13, if you don't count the wizards. So yeah, so if you take LeBron's first 13 years, who scored more points? That was her question. I don't know the answer to that question, but I think it's more fair to judge it.

And then she just wanted to know over and over again why they don't call traveling anymore. Yeah, all good points. I think she knows ball. Yeah, she definitely knows ball. Big time ball. She I mean, that's the Austin Reeves. Like, yeah, he's got the best haircut out there probably

of all the white guys. Of the white guys. Yeah, out of all of them. Well, I guess it would be it would be Yokeitch. And then it would be Christian Brown, Christian Brown, right? Brown, yeah, Brown, yeah. All right, so other things we got to talk about. PGA championship, softest delay in the history of sports,

the frost delay. I got into it with grass Twitter this morning. I, I understand like there was a bunch of, you know, I don't even know what the major is. What is the major that the, I think it's just golf course management that they take, I believe in college. So the golf course management majors all came out and they're like, look, you can't step on frosted grass.

Totally understand. I get it's a major, but when you see, I guess it breaks the grass, which is already broken because it's bent grass. Either way, if you can't just like I woke up this morning getting like I was waking up with my kids like, oh, I'm going to get to watch free sports early in the morning before like the world wakes up here.

Frost delay. You see frost delay. That's that's soft. That is soft. There's frost on the grass. We can't play. It's a soft sport, but in its own weird way, like you have to take into account that these are golfers.

Of course. So like this is the most, this is the most hardcore thing that a course can do to set the tone. That's what it did. Yeah. It let the, it let the golfers know that it was there on day one hour one. Although as course guys, which of course had a great day,

I would like the course to just step up and be like, I don't care if I frost, like go ahead, step on me. You break a little grass. That's fine. Either way, it was a great morning because I got to spend like I got to basically take the delay of the PGA championship and instead just get a bunch of people mad at me about grass where I was just like literally laughing like after every

tweet, just being like, who, who, who is even arguing about grass? Like I've started in an argument about grass. This is my favorite argument I've ever been in because there's nothing you can do to change my mind to tell me that you can't play golf on frost. You could play golf on frost. You can do sod father right now.

You could play golf on frost. You know what's going to happen. There's probably going to be another frost delay on like maybe Sunday on the final round and then they're just going to have to go out there and play. So the course will hopefully give another frost delay and then just be like, bring it on, bitch. Yeah, I'll take you.

I'll take you anytime, anywhere. But this is why golf should be played indoors. Yeah. Built an indoor course. Give me your best. And then the other two stories from it. So Bryson did play well, which was unfortunate, although I guess the feud's over so we can't hate him anymore.

He also like, Bryson just got too skinny again. I liked when he was jacked. I liked when he was just like looked like a freak and was just pushing the boundaries of how hard he could hit a drive. He went back to skinny Bryson. Yeah, I don't like it, but he also did hit a guy on the tee. You see that? He had an errant drive.

I think he pulled it to the left and this poor guy was about to tee off. I hope it was Patrick Cantley, but I can't be sure who it was. And he called four left and the guy ducks out of the way and the ball just warps him right on the tee box. That's very relatable. Like that's, he is one of us now where he misplaces drives so badly that it lands in the fairway of the other hole.

Yes. And did you see the video of Tom Kim, the golfer who I've never seen anyone have more mud on them from like, we didn't even get to see the angle of how he got the mud on him, but he was covered. He was absolutely covered. Did you see the video? It was incredible. Then he goes, you want to smell my hand afterwards?

Fellas, we've all been there. Am I right? It was fucking great. Yeah, that was, I mean, great day for the course. I give the course, I give the course an A plus on day one of the PGA championship. I'd agree. I'd agree. All right.

Anything else that we missed that we have to talk about? Oh, go see, go watch PMTV. Max's photo shoot that he didn't realize was fake. And he came in on Monday morning and took a bunch of pictures with his sole patch. Great PMTV. Max is just shaking his head. Right now, for people who don't know, it's just me and PFT.

It's old school. We have everyone else back in the studio with our guests as well. But any other, anything we missed? I don't think so. I think it's a pretty clean, pretty clean intro there. One thing that you did miss in the intro to the show, not only do we have Randy Moss and Kirk Goldsbury on the show, we also have Mike Turico on the show today. Yes, and Mayesh.

At least on the, and Mayesh. And Mayesh, the Kentucky Derby champion horse. Yeah. Now, they might only appear on the YouTube version of the show. So you have to subscribe to that to watch it. Yes, go watch it in the background. And credit to us for not stepping over any lines when we saw Mike Turico pop up. Because we, we thought about saying a lot of things.

And we did it. Should we put Mike Turico and Mayesh in the, in the title? Yeah, we should. Yeah. Yeah. With special appearances from Mike Turico and Mayesh, the horse. It's a, it's a foursome for the boys today. Yes.

Great guests for everyone. Okay. Well, let's kick it back to ourselves, back in studio. Also subscribe to the YouTube, because I think Sunday night, we will all be in studio and we're going to stream Celtics Heat. So, Jake versus Hank, Sunday night. Yep. Yeah.

Yep. Definitely, definitely subscribe to that. We did miss talking about Dustin Johnson. Did you, did you hear what Dustin Johnson said on Wednesday when he was getting ready? He was doing like his press conference that all these guys do. Where basically all the live guys go out there and then they have to answer questions about live for 20 minutes. They asked him about his bad back that he's been going through and he insinuated strongly

that he got a bad back from banging his wife too hard, which respect, massive respect. Big time respect. Paulina Gretzky. Yeah. Hey, I've got a bad back big guy. You've got a bad back. Am I right? Yeah, it's true.

I, I, you know. Yeah. Things happen. Also, Brooks loved having him back on. I wish he had given us the quote, I would start stroking guys because he did say that when talking about penalties for slow play. He said, I would start stroking guys. Could have used that on the show.

Yeah. Stroke them till they finish, Brooks. Make them finish. Make them finish faster. That's what you gotta do. It's actually, you gotta stroke them harder. If you stroke, if you stroke them and then you keep stroking, you show that you're not kidding about stroking them hard, fast consistently and make that a thing that they can come to

expect, they will finish. Mm-hmm. Maybe spit in your hand before you stroke them. I don't get it. What do you mean? Oh, one last thing we did forget to mention. Hockey, the conference finals did start. The Panthers won and then they, they, they didn't win.

So they scored a goal in overtime. Didn't count. Billy actually, probably the first time in PMT history, Billy tried to beat everyone to the congrats text because usually when one of our teams wins, everyone will congratulate them on the text change. Very nice camaraderie. Billy said congrats, Jake. And I was like, dude, that's not going to count.

And so Billy, maybe the first time he ever beat everyone to it, didn't actually count, which is very Billy. But the other hockey news we have is we are officially a Golden Knights podcast. So Alec Martinez is an AWL. We found out, um, I still hate him for 2014, uh, and the Kings scoring the overtime goal against the Blackhawks in game seven, but we'll put the past in the past. We needed a team. We are a Golden Knights podcast.

We were rooting for the Golden Knights. We want the Golden Knights to win the cup. Well, I think that we said that we liked the Golden Knights out of all the four remaining teams the best. We said the nicest things, but I think everybody else we gave what some might consider to be backhanded compliments towards when we talked about their cities, uh, the Golden Knights are fun. I guess they're, they're the funnest team left.

And Alec also said that he listened to the show to not hear us talk about hockey, which you picked the right podcast buddy, especially this year. Yeah, we almost forgot to talk about it. Also I just wanted to, I, people see him wearing an A's hat. I feel bad for A's hands. A's fans. I decided, uh, I've been getting it. I listened to the Sonic Boom podcast.

I think about like four years ago about the Sonics Seattle losing the Sonics and it just dawned on me that the A's are getting such a fucking raw deal and the city of Oakland is getting such a raw deal. They lost the Warriors to San Francisco. They lost the Raiders to Vegas. They're going to lose the A's to Vegas. So I'm, I'm, I'm standing with A's fans for all the, I don't know how many are left. I don't think there are any left.

So I'll be the last one standing. I'll turn off the lights at the Coliseum. What are they going to do about the, about the possum that's living in the press box? You can't bulldoze the stadium. You can't, you can't explode a possum in its entire family with dynamite to get rid of a stadium. Right? Yeah.

Dude, they, they are, uh, yeah. It's sad seeing every game where they're like no one's there. It's basically they're doing major league where, but there's no happy ending. That's, that's essentially what's happening right now. I actually saw a stat, someone treated what each team would have to go for the remaining of the season to break the 116, uh, wins in a season. And I think the A's have to go like 93 and 10. Yeah.

No, they're, they're very bad. Are you, are you, are you, my proprietary formula is right on the money again this year. So I moved off the bucks, the buckos, the pirates, and I'm fading the A's every game this season. It's, it's a winning formula. It really is. Yeah. Yeah.

Shout out to Oakland though. I do feel bad for them. And also it seems like there's some funny stuff going on in Arizona with the, with the yachts. Oh yeah. We got to talk to biz about that and figure out what we need to do to keep the yachts in Arizona. Yeah.

It just sucks. Whenever a city loses a team, it fucking sucks. And I was just, I was buying a new Cubs hat and I saw the A's. I was like, dude, their logo is awesome and I feel really bad for their fans. So I stand in solidarity, fuck owners, fuck cities that won't help out, uh, even though owners should probably pay for their own fucking stadium. But either way, A's fans, I stand with you because it sucks. I also say something nice about the A's.

They have the best grass in baseball. Yeah. When they get that pattern cut into it and mowed exactly correctly, I'm talking like light green, dark green diamonds everywhere in the outfield. That's, that to me is like what I grew up watching and that's what I'll remember the most about 90s baseball probably is how fucking sick the outfield grass was in Oakland. And how big their foul territory is goes on for days. So yeah, if you're an A's fan listening to this show, your AWL A's fan tweet us and let

us know that you heard it because we're going to stand with you. We can't do anything except maybe we'll just bash the owner of the A's like every couple of weeks. Who is the owner of the A's? Let's find out. Fucking A. This guy. He's on our shit list.

That means the world of hurt. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, it's kind of fucked up that he not only is moving the team, but he's also somewhat anonymous. John Fisher, fuck you, John Fisher. Piece of shit. You fucking dick.

You greedy dickhead. You're a bitch. Suck my balls. John Fisher, if I saw you, I'd hiss at you. I would hiss. I wouldn't know nothing physical. I just go a nice sssssssssssssssssssss. Right in your fucking face, John Fisher.

You bitch. I would punch you. Oh, somebody should pull your pants down in public, John Fisher. I would distract him so that you could pants him. With your hissing. Yeah. the old double tap yeah fuck you John yeah maybe we table top them that's actually that's a pretty embarrassing thing to get table top yeah it's been

a minute since I've table top somebody all-time school yard practice table we should get Billy Billy's definitely not gonna listen to this no way we got a table top them we got a table table table top there yes yes I'll go low you go high okay yeah and then he'll blame me just like good you're talking to me all right let's kick it back to ourselves in studio and a special fuck you to John Fisher okay before we kick it back to ourselves we are sponsored by C4 performance energy energy that hits C4 performance energy provides explosive energy you can feel with clinically

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their meat oftentimes they were at halftime looked like they were gonna cruise you saw the heat give their best shot in the first quarter and then the third quarter started and Eric Spolstra made some halftime adjustments and Joe Missoula was either getting choked out or watching the town yeah and is Joe Missoula a weird guy can we just do a side side like for sure you watch the town for four times a week for sure so that's I saw that story and I did the math on it because the town is two hours long mm-hmm which means he watches eight hours of the town per week which means he watches 17 days worth of the movie

the town per year he seems like he's giving off weird guy vibes well that's like no it's on it the town is a classic yeah but Hank that's it you have to admit that's like Nick Siriani level without all the coaching prowess four times a week is a little much but I'm not gonna sit here and say I haven't seen that movie I don't know 500 times four times a week do you do anything four times a week besides golf I do like the phrase who's whose car are we taking they had that sweatshirt that is kind of a rally the troops championship DVD type of phrase but yeah that's a lot four times a week of watching a movie is a lot

either way Spolstra made adjustments felt like Missoula didn't and then the heat scored 46 third quarter points completely blitz them no timeouts from Joe Missoula during that stretch no time out and then and then perfectly the fourth quarter started and the Celtics went on a 7-0 run in about 90 seconds and Spoe went immediate timeout about being like hey why don't we stop letting them score all these points yeah Hank are you nervous or is this because this is one of those weird games where it was bad for the Celtics it was bad for Tatum in the fourth quarter but you can also point to last series having the same

thing happened in the first quarter and last year having the same thing happened in game one against the heat so where do you land I yeah it's unfortunately I am a little bit nervous I wasn't you know overlooking the heat by any means but this is just unfortunately how the Celtics are this is the team you have to live with it was like this last year it was like this against Philly games that they should be winning they just they just take quarters off and then they lose in you know the knock on the timeout thing was crazy fun to watch that third quarter they couldn't get a stop they didn't call

a timeout they didn't do anything they weren't getting Tatum the ball in the fourth quarter well Jalen brown it like has had some terrible luck with just falling like getting these crazy wet spots in the floor it happened in the Philly series where he was just driving and like hit a wet spot smashed his arm happened again last night they were getting Tatum the ball he traveled on two possessions back to back with under two minutes which I when was the last time you saw that in the NBA yeah it was crazy and the second one I think that ref should actually call up and downs I don't like that it's a travel yeah it's

called the the penalty the violation is called up and down yeah that was the must win game two's oh okay that's smart now I did see a stat that in the history of the heat Celtics playoff series the Celtics are 0 and 4 against the heat in game one so this is kind of tracking along with that what is what is it 2 and 2 lifetime well 0 and 4 own for now in game ones against the heat they've played the heat more than four times now I don't think so three times in the last 2012 was the LeBron stare game 6 and then 20 last year this year those are the four off the top of my head so they're there one and two in

those series where they start oh and I guess oh and three until this year the heat Jimmy Butler in the playoffs is seven and one in series when his team wins the first game the only one is last year when the heat lost the Celtics so it can be done so it can be done but this does take the the Jake Wamp off the table it doesn't have to quit yeah he doesn't worry I so I I do think the Celtics will win game two but this is weird to watch where they similar to last series they kind of fucked around and the heat deserve a ton of credit because the heat are better than the Sixers and more than that the heat are

just tougher mentally tougher than the Sixers Jimmy Butler has more mental toughness than the entire Sixers organization combined they aren't gonna like be scared of a fight and you saw it when Jimmy Butler's like I'm taking over this game what do you have I think he had six steals he was all over the place seven assists six steals shout out Kevin Harlan by the way he is the best Jimmy frickin but yeah I was like Jenny intercepts him again I thought he dropped the hard F-bomb on that one yeah I love that but he me frickin but Kevin Harlan is the is the best he is he's basically a fan watching the game but

obviously incredible at calling a game yeah his enthusiasm matches the moment of like a fan watching and J-butt is also so smart he I don't think he gets enough credit you know like I think that he's super tough obviously but he's a really smart basketball player offensively to and they're running a bunch of plays where Jimmy would like drive towards the basket and then drive away from the basket towards the baseline and just find space on the court the lost art of the mid-range jumper J-butts bringing it back yeah and also to all the haters that said that J-butt wasn't athletic suck my dick yeah he's very

athletic they are tougher though they're a lot tougher so that has to scare you a little bit Hank even like BAM one on four there was one play where he just yeah like wrestled and got a jump ball out of it and beat is a better basketball player than BAM BAM is tougher yeah I mean it's not hard to be tougher than the Sixers like that's that's kind of thing where it's like good point pretty much anyone's tougher than the Philadelphia 76ers but it still ultimately comes down to the Celtics beating themselves they had some open looks at the end of the end of the fourth quarter they just missed they

missed a couple threes they had those two turnovers I don't think the heat beat us as much as we beat ourselves which is kind of in the running theme with the Celtics the last few years they missed a lot of free throws again which is just infuriating this but if they if they play their game they will win this series they just have to like not let up in the third quarter they have to execute on the stretch so I'm you know it's not good to lose game one I think if we lose game two I'll be officially panic button out but I think if we win you know game two we're back the Celtics as a team feel like they

have ADHD yeah like that they really like as a team they need prescribed they need to be prescribed like Ritalin Adderall Vivants because they just go stretches where it's like are they even focused on this game and they don't have the kill they don't have they go up 10 and it's like okay this is when is this gonna swing back they don't have the like alright let's just go up 25 except for game seven I guess against the Sixers but most of the time that's also the six right yeah it's like that was more like the sixers just rolling over and you yeah alright that's enough we're done we're there's no more sixers talk here

no I think it's fair to compare why the six the sixes are done six are dead right let's go on it let's go on the let's go on analyze what happened in the last he's out the difference yeah he's it is like night and day watching the heat in the Sixers compete right like I think the Celtics are in more trouble who won game one of the last series I was why we compare so I mean let's see what happens that's why we let's see what happens I'm not game seven which I mean if the Celtics went in five do the heat still have all this great you know rah rah good question yeah yeah yeah yeah because this game this game was crazy

yeah yeah but yeah there but as it was at Matt Barnes it said like the heat aren't your average eight seed no that's so true because Jimmy Butler just in the playoffs is totally different my point max that you got very triggered about you're triggered it's okay you're triggered you mad well I mean it was enough well my point is I don't think the Celtics have a margin to fuck around as much against the heat that's really what my point is because you have not only the heat being a tougher team but the heat being a superior coach team Spowe is the best coach in the NBA so you you can't you can't mess around with

the heat no what sucks is is you kind of squander to Robert Williams offense game because he looked he looked really good offensively and then so did Marcus smart what do you have like 11 assists in the first half yeah he was awesome he had some yeah passes yeah he had some sick passes yeah I think at the end of the day it wasn't it wasn't the worst game the third quarter was bad and I think the fourth quarter I think Horford had had a miss three Jim Brown had a miss three and I had those two turnovers like two of those things goes the opposite way it's probably a closer game Celtics might have win you can't you can't have you know

five turnovers and two miss shots in the last five minutes and two travels yeah well that's the travel crazy turnovers travel yeah one it was up and down as Joe Missoula mentioned the Celtics did win three out of the four quarters I was about to say we'll go back to the state he said it you we'll go back to Hank staff from last year if you win the majority quarters you should win the game well that was correct so you're really up three to one yeah yeah I'm aggregate you guys are doing just fine yeah just don't let a 46 piece get dropped on yeah I'm gonna wash the town wash the town Hank you will be in in the

building I'll be in the building Friday up shout to game time I'm gonna get some last-minute tickets code take PMT code PMT you know what's funny is that that means that Joe Missoula watches probably I'm gonna say two minutes of RA per year yeah yeah we're out smoked it to the felt the Dougie Denver Miami the Lakers are all undefeated at home in the playoffs Boston's four and four oh bad sports down I think they're gonna have to do something that you have is are like two and seven so Hank you gotta are you gonna do like something when you get there are you gonna do maybe when Kyrie had the uh what was it what

he's sage that's it the sage uh I might drop another sausage get the vibes going you know what you should do Hank you should go dressed as the nun with the mask from the town mm sick court side get Missoula pumped up yeah that's a good idea yeah I never think no I should not do it Kyrie would be perfect for this team no Jason Jason Tatum has made the Eastern Conference Finals I think three out of his first five years or something and the only two years he didn't was with Kyrie was on the team yeah but I'm just saying like a super skilled ball handler who can create offense and not have make it so that Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum don't have to handle the ball Marcus smart a ten assist in the first half I know but

he also you I mean there's times when Marcus smart Kyrie Irving is a team killer I agree with that yeah the Celtics have been better okay all right let me let me say this let me say this way Kyrie Irving skill set not Kyrie Irving I guess Kyrie Irving skill set would be perfect for this team yeah one of the one of the best ball handlers in the NBA I'm saying taking away like Marcus smart and having Kyrie but skills also the coach I think it's coach jitsu which is his least favorite type of jitsu I like Missoula I just think again it kind of is similar to last series keeping the guys locked in calling timeouts when the other team goes on a run it's little things like that I don't think it's the team the team build is good this team is built to win a

championship okay um we should talk real quick before we do some Kirk Goldsbury also people that had to watch on youtube tv apparently oh yeah oh yeah hey hey victory for the boomers oh yeah big time yeah I so I'm not I I don't I'm not a cord cutter I guess I was like with 10 minutes left there was a little mermaid commercial and then they just never went back to the game holy shit uh that would drive me insane this is why you know I will pay all the money in the world for my cable bill to not have to deal with this but my immediate thought was they better fucking figure this out before NFL Sunday yeah so I was thinking that too and I I would expect the NFL would just stop the game they would have tv went down they would just be like okay we're taking an extended

commercial break the NBA I guess they probably don't have that many people compared to the cable audience watching on youtube tv I'd imagine the younger audience does but um yeah that was that was tough for everybody out there that thinks that they're better than cable there's there's not a lot of things in life that I'm like super passionate about that I would like you know put a lot of my effort and mobilize my energy behind but if the NFL Sunday gets fucked up with youtube tv like I'll march on Washington we write Jan 6 that shit we write no problem yeah I'll be fucking sitting in the Capitol with a bear mask on being like give me my games back on tv yeah I'm being dead I'm being dead serious like that that is probably the one thing where I'd be like yeah

well you want to you want to you want to grab some fucking guns and zip ties and roll on Washington let's do it yeah I actually think that Roger Goodell he could do it whatever he wants to the league he can there he can schedule games more unfairly based off rest he can have Tuesday night games Wednesday night games but if you can't watch the games when they're live then there's no problems then we write we take to the streets yep yeah guy fox yes um okay one last thing before we get to Kirk Goldsbury and we'll talk to him about this as well the Victor Webonyama hype has gotten so hilariously out of control there's a couple of things that happened in the last couple days uh woge said he was maybe the greatest prospect in the history of team sports people are

saying he is a bigger deal in LeBron James which is just factually incorrect because Victor Webonyama is coming in a time when all the highlights are easily accessible and I still think more people knew about LeBron James coming out of high school his games were on ESPN yeah so and he was on the cover sports illicit as a junior yes with the headline the chosen one right and that for all the shit that we give LeBron James you have to give him massive amounts of credit for not fucking all that up well no remember it's we get the credit oh that's right yeah we called it correctly we called that correctly but still with LeBron like he delivered on everything that we told him he would do so he held up his end of the bargain for what we put out there right but then you have to ask

would he have been that great if it wasn't for all of us gassing him up media and telling him how good he was probably not but either way that LeBron was a bigger deal culturally than Victor Webonyama yes I know that people like just have somehow forgot what it was like 20 years ago but again this pre like internet being what it is today and everyone knew who LeBron James was you know what the funniest part in retrospective the LeBron James hype was when they would play his game on ESPN and he would have to wear these big arm patches to cover up his tattoos yeah because in televised high school basketball you weren't allowed to show arm tattoos for some reason yes there's a weird world back then he also the craziest thing with LeBron before his first

game was ever played he did a commercial where they got like the actual players in the first game to be in the commercial like Mike Bibby in a king's uniform guarding LeBron James I think we talked about that it's crazy and we were watching it and we were like holy shit how do they NBA scripted yeah this they're playing the game before the game yeah they're playing the game before the game and then uh brusard brew crew shout out uh said he has expectations for Webonyama to be one of the best players ever if Webonyama is KD Hakeem Elijah one or Anthony Davis he has not met expectations uh he has to have a career like Kareem Jordan LeBron Shack or Duncan that's pretty lofty expectations top five all time yeah um I did see if you're a Webonyama hater or a

Spurs hater you can go watch the video of Kenny Lofton Jr posting him up yeah I retreated it yeah did you yeah it's a great video and it's probably very selectively edited I'm sure that Webonyama just ate his lunch for the rest of the game he did block him on one of the shots but uh but Kenny Lofton Jr just put in his big ass right into Webonyama's waist and knocking him off the ball too skinny that was also probably I'd say 45 50 pounds ago for Webonyama yeah he's probably put on a little bit of weight since then but I mean people forget Kevin Durant couldn't bench 135 one time that's when he was going to the draft either way he's uh I think it's he's he it's probably gotten a little too out of hand for this for for him to be if he's a failure if he is not

better than KD Hakeem Elijah one and Anthony Davis combined that's insane insane he's got a cure cancer yeah or just be better than all those guys he's got to win at least three Super Bowls if he's not somehow if he's not the best NBA player of all time bust bust huge bust huge bust would be now we are Webonyama podcast but what if he actually was like a real bust I mean that we might just you know what we should do we should just become Scoot Henderson guys yeah it's like Greg Oden KD it's also very second guys actually actually shout out to Scoot Henderson all the confidence in the world he said that he still thinks that he should be the number one pick oh I like that I expect Webonyama to be so good that they it changes how we play

basketball and now no one under seven feet is allowed to play or just raise the rims yeah like what is it I know he's so crazy but still Hakeem Anthony Davis and KD and Tim Duncan no no that that's he has to have a career like Tim Duncan okay so he has to win five titles and a few MVPs yeah he has to have a career like Kareem Jordan Lebron Shack or Duncan I could see it yeah um so yeah good Victor no pressure you know what I might root against Victor until he decides to play for the US on the Olympic team I like that I like or yeah I can't wait to root against him in the Olympics if he's on France I want everyone to dunk on him we should get Vince Carter back on the US Olympic team dunk over another French guy yeah him and Rudy go bare yeah just dunk on both

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safety information restrictions apply hard mints it's a chewable compounded drug the FDA does not approve compounded drugs nor does it verify their safety or effectiveness and now here's Kirk Goldsbury okay we now welcome on our good friend in studio Kirk Goldsbury midway through the playoffs thought it'd be a great time you're in New York thought would be great to catch up with you maybe clean up some of the takes you had before the playoffs did you have the bucks winning it all I had you guys gave me several chances to predict the final that's right that's right some of them are still in play okay so but you also said yokich just is terrible at defense and the nuggets will not win anything because they suck at defense I did say that he struggles on the

defensive end but he's the best offensive player in the league did you write an article that was like the problem with yokich yeah I pointed out that some of his defensive stats were problematic and I stand by that oh what it was it was like a highlight reel of five bad plays by yokich yeah yeah this guy stinks aren't you happy you came in yeah I am I am very happy to be here the the playoffs are in full swing and Nicole yokich and Jimmy Butler both look like the best players yes playoffs yes okay so let's start with um heat celtics uh and we talked a little bit about it but if you looking at it from the numbers and watching the games what exactly is wrong with the celtics and I say wrong knowing that they're in the eastern conference finals this series only one game

but it does feel like there are times where they just kind of take their eye off the ball and they play with their meat like doc river says what what do you see I kind of agree with that I'll say I'll set it up with this they come into the playoffs as the number two ranked offense and the number two ranked defense in the in the NBA during the regular season the teams that have done that in the last 25 years have all won the championship there's two of them both Warriors teams so you start there this team on paper is stacked a two-way juggernaut but they do they do sort of f around and we saw it in game one against Miami they dominate the first half and they come out of halftime and they fall asleep Miami scores 46 points and then the fourth quarter sort of on the

offensive end that Tatum sort of falls asleep doesn't shoot the ball once in the fourth quarter so to me that's sort of a fair thing to say there they are a very complete team that sort of takes naps right and they they took naps a few dangerous times in that Philly series and James Harden took advantage of it and then it's hard to reconcile how are they the team that did that in game seven on Sunday and then shows up for game one against Miami and sort of lays the egg especially in that third quarter yeah yeah so coming out of halftime we were talking about Missoula earlier he watches how many what four times a week four times a week he watches the town the movie the town so that's about as deep as our analysis of his coaching goes or he gets choked out he gets choked

out yeah but from your perspective it what what is different about the Celtics offense or what was different in that third quarter that you can point out and be like this is the adjustment that Missoula should have made that he didn't make yeah I think in that third quarter one thing that's been pointed out is he didn't take any timeouts you know Ben Affleck in the town needed a couple of timeouts you know when it got really hairy but uh he didn't take any timeouts did like Jeremy Renner disappeared behind a light pole take a sip of sprite and then go out there and get shot to death take the 22nd tee there I think uh they started it with a nine point lead at the end of the halftime break and ended on 12 point deficit in that quarter for me that was more of a defensive lapse I call timeout

I changed the lineup around they were getting beaten transition they needed a talking to and he just didn't stop it I don't think their offense was as much of a problem there as it was in the fourth quarter when the dude who just broke the record for points in a game seven on Sunday doesn't shoot the ball in game one on Wednesday again what are we doing call a timeout set up a play for this guy right like I think that's a fair criticism PFT is knowing when to call timeouts and we've seen it now multiple times in this postseason and that in that six or series he didn't call a timeout in that key late game moment I think it was game four or game five I forget but if I had to pick one thing it's like learn how to use those TOs yeah he hates timeouts yeah it is

and Jason Tatum to me I I can't describe it I think he is obviously one of the top five ten whatever you want to call him the Sunday game 51 points was out of this world right and I see that and I'm like that guy should take over games because he has the ability to do it whatever and then you see Wednesday night and he's got two travels which he rarely ever see yeah he's missing shots in the fourth quarter I don't know like is that just the next evolution of Jason Tatum the consistency game to game yeah totally right and there's I'll put it one back like one of the bigger games this season was game six and Philly sorry Max but he was one for 14 like he was he was in route to a major loss like and it would have been on him and to his credit guys one for 14

then he makes the three biggest shots of that game it saves the season so he he has that but then one other big thing that's different in this series is a guy named Jimmy Butler who is his primary defender and I don't know about you guys but I could not score on Jimmy Butler that guy is playing defense at as great a level as he's playing offense he's the leading scorer remaining in these playoffs and his defense might be better he had six steals in game one he held Tatum to I think two field goals when he was his primary defender that's crazy nobody could score on on Jimmy Butler right now and that's part of the deal with this series yeah is Jason Tatum going to be able to do that against Jimmy so how do you stop Jimmy dude I mean I don't know like you just let

him score 50 and watch Mike Budenholzer try to figure it out I watched Tom Tibido try to figure both those guys have won a coach of the year championships now we have this rookie head coach trying to figure it out Jimmy is a vibe Jimmy is the best competitor of any player who walks on to any court but you have to beat him in several different ways like he can he can start a fast break transitions pfd with these steals he had six steals again like that's that's remarkable and then shooting he hit that three last night the sort of went in and out and then came back in he just seems to be built for this uh in a way that that is unstoppable to be honest and I don't know how I would stop him Jason Tatum Marcus smart they have a lot of defensive weapons they can throw

at him yeah would you call him Hemi I would okay yeah yeah see the most him definitely call him could you imagine if the bulls had a player like oh my god are the sixers yeah uh speaking of the sixers which we got to talk about a little bit right now max shaking his head is Joe and be the loser wait did max change his facial hair is Joe and be the loser he is the winner of the MVP but his scoring average once that I saw was his scoring average dropped significantly in the playoffs there were games where he just did not seem engaged you know we make fun of like Shaq sometimes for his analysis on on on Turner but one thing he is he's very fair with the big man he's like you have to demand the ball and own these moments right and that is worst I think Joelle in the

playoffs sort of disappeared in a way that I don't think prime Shaq would have ever disappeared and I think one of the things we want to see if you're an MVP be the MVP in May as well yeah you know and I didn't see it in that game seven um and some of the bigger moments in that series he didn't sort of have that MVP series that I I had hoped he'd have and obviously he's not a loser but he kind of is like there's a kernel of truth he's never been past the second round he's getting that uh Chris Paul sort of legacy I mean how much further do you go in your career where you can't you know T-Mac had this for a while Chris Paul is Joelle and beat the next one of those guys I mean maybe so how do you fix the Sixers oh good question loaded question well they're changing the coach

I think you could still build a champion around Embiid uh he is an incredible two-way player I think they need to play with a little more shooting around him um you can probably win with James but can you eh is he good in the playoffs at the start are we talking regular season or playoffs playoffs some people in this room thought uh when he scored like 45 points like oh he's changed and we said just wait just wait till game six and seven and uh the real James Harden we did twice he did that twice yeah right and what games were those I mean he did it twice right yeah he did twice well you you you were saying that after game one and then again yeah but then at the end but then at the right yeah I'm tired my theory on James second one game five six or seven no it

was game four okay four yeah game four I actually think that James Harden doesn't want to win the playoffs I think like at this point we have enough analysis and you can look at what he does at the end in important games where you could make the case like why would you if you were James Harden and you're getting paid hundreds of millions of dollars there's a case to be made for just not wanting to go to work dude I I have a personal experience with so when I was in the Spurs front office we played James and Kawhi was hurt and I think Tony was hurt and we went to Houston for a game six yeah I remember driving we stopped at Bucky's me and Monty Williams on I-10 getting some soft drinks there and we just felt like we were going to a slaughter because we knew they were whole and

we were beat up and if you remember that game that's the game where this dude just didn't show up yeah and uh we had Jonathan Simmons out there he looked like the best player in the game and that was one of the early data points in James's playoff resume that said like maybe this guy ain't it but he just was invisible in a game they should have walked all over us uh and and you know you're it's kind of fair we have a lot of these games where he's just like two for nine yeah biggest game it's weird isn't it and I I think what happens part of the explanation for James Harden in the playoffs is it gets ref different you get to see you know over and over and over obviously they change the crews but he doesn't get the same calls that he gets in the regular season where he lives

on the foul line or the free throw line and then you see the trepidation he has where he doesn't want to go and attack the rim so like all kind of snowballs from there like peak James Harden is when he's attacking the rim getting the free throw line over and over and over again and you saw in game seven he just wasn't he wasn't going to do it and one more thing about that is the regular season as checkers like teams Greg Popovich doesn't concoct a really hyper specific game plan for a regular season game in February in a game four a game five in a game six you're seeing coaching staffs it's rocket science now it is chess now and so they're getting they're getting hyper specific with pick and roll coverages and and matchups in a way that James it's harder to play

basketball against those defenses when all the coaches or lads are focused in right you and your act it's harder to perform well in those moments okay so that brought up something I was I'm happy you're here because I wanted to ask you this the in that series you saw Joe Missoula not go to that big lineup Rob Williams and Al Horford both starting till game six or seven when you were in the playoffs with the Spurs would pft's wash is talking to him shut up would you do would pop ever deliberately hold back something like do coaches going into a series hold back a adjustment they know is going to work and being like we will wait until they make us get to this point so like they know almost in game one they're not putting out their primo you could even see it

sometimes Steve Kerr would do it when they go to the death lineup yeah they'd start it like do they consciously say we're not actually putting our best team on the floor at to start this game game one and we're playing our best rotations because we want to keep something in the chamber to surprise them later on in the series hell yeah they do I mean that's crazy though but I'll give you a great example that involved the Milwaukee Bucks collapse uh three or four years ago and and Nick Nurse uh was the coach of the Raptors and and he didn't put Kawai Leonard on Yanis onto Takumbo until they lost the first two games of the series and that's a really famous example of like oh that was staring us at the in the face right sometimes it's a matchup sometimes it's a lineup

sometimes it's an ato play that they have like and sort of break glass in case of emergency we have this look we have this lineup we have this play uh that we know that we're going to save for those emergencies I love that aspect of a seven game series that knowing specials another one shout out max yeah but knowing yeah knowing use that yeah knowing that you well yeah that's true that's football though but yeah the uh knowing like hey we're we're gonna like almost anticipate they're gonna make this adjustment so we're gonna save a counter adjustment for later I would have liked to see that double big lineup and I know a lot of Celtics fans wanted to see it uh earlier in that six or series thing right uh so late I mean that lineup is really what took Hank Celtics

from mediocre at the beginning of last year when they're sort of struggling to find their identity to the juggernaut they became that won the eastern conference and the fact that we'd barely seen it at all in the playoffs uh when the Celtics were struggling against the Hawks and struggling in the in the early part of that six or series it's like yeah that's that's another sort of fair question for Joe Missiles like what took you so long right Robert Williams and Al Horford at the same time pretty good you see I didn't know if that was what took you so long or he was like I'm saving this for when we actually are backster against the wall which seems like a dangerous game to play yeah it's a dangerous game I don't think he would have saved it that long right like I don't

think he would have lost what was that series it was three two yeah three two right so you mentioned you mentioned ato stuff you mentioned like set plays from out of bounds set pieces as we call them in football uh which coach draws up the best set plays amongst the remaining four amongst the remaining four uh well let's see it's a clear number one part of it is who do you have out there and it's really good if you're Mike Malone to have Nikola Jokic in an ato play because the ball is going to go through him and there's going to be a cut that sort of goes the opposite way that the defense is expecting and he's the one by the way he created so many points with assists I think he created 32 points with assists alone in game one uh so Mike Malone has that luxury Michael Malone

we'll get mad at you if you say Mike yeah well he called my piece on Jokic a hatchet job yeah that's right that's the first time I had a hatchet job in my career so uh that's that's a great passage in sports writing I guess yes and my hatchet job Michael Malone uh and then I think you know Eric Spolstra is the best coach in the NBA I think with all due respect to to to Steve Kerr and Greg Popovich right now what he's doing um but I don't know if like the ato is his strong suit he failed the answer is Brad Stevens is he still catching well he probably passes shadow government he's definitely he's definitely not because he would he would have given some plays to Missoula yeah maybe he's saving because you would probably say that that Missoula is the last one amongst

the four remaining in terms of designing step plays right he is the he has the limit most limited resume but it is true Brad Stevens is in the building and he has a great encyclopedia of ATOs they could use yeah what about what about hustle stats do you have any hustle grit stats any metrics that would look at the heat because when you look at heat in Celtics it's like the the Celtics have a lot of players that would fall into that category of gritty players but for whatever reason it seems you don't think so I wrote an article on ESPN last week about the Miami Heat and uh it was all centered around this category of stats called hustle stats because I was like what is heat culture does it show up in the numbers and when you look at the four remaining

teams pft you're like the Celtics are the two-way juggernaut uh the Lakers are sort of this defensive team that has two superstars and the and the nuggets are the offensive juggernaut what is the heat the heat is this heat culture thing and what what stats can you point at loose balls recovered charges drawn deflected passes screen assist they're far and away leading the NBA playoffs and all of these like pain in the ass stats the hustle stats I say they do the dirty work and I was finally able to track down a bunch of these numbers like you know the most important play of their playoff run is probably Kevin Love taking the charge on Yanis when he got hurt but that's not unusual they take more charges than everybody they dive on loose balls and Jimmy has leads the playoffs and deflected

passes and loose balls recovered he's setting the tone there but yeah that heat culture that identity they hustle more than anybody else in the playoffs and it's not close so they try harder honestly yes and I think my favorite my favorite description it sounds ridiculous to say that about pro athletes but like one of my favorite quotes from Spolstra this postseason is like balls in the air balls on the ground that's what we take pride in and then he he's he likened his own team to navy seals so I'm not going to say they're trying harder I'm not going to make the war comp but they there's a lot of that or pft's like you're waiting so hard no I just sat up I was like this now I might be all in on the heat yeah you're talking my language but the metric is they

they do hustle more uh and yeah you can say they try harder I'm fine with that they try harder Julius Randall even said it he was like I think they might just want it great point yeah they do that's the debate do they try harder or do they want it more I think those are two separate things yeah yeah I think they want it they want it more well if we can sort of zoom into a loose ball if there's a loose ball on the floor in the Celtic series and you're saying okay gun to your head who's getting that ball I'm taking Miami heat every time like these guys do dive on the floor faster and and more regularly than almost any team I've seen a long time did you see our friend greeny the the stat that he was pointing to of why the heat were dominating uh the the nicks when

the games were in Miami he said it's so hot in Miami and the heat have a hard time or the nicks have a hard time traveling down there is that south beach is undefeated or is that something else I think it's just it's hot I think greeny was just saying it's hot outside so therefore cold weather teams play worse when they're in our city I didn't know if there was any statistical background to that analysis well I was at a finals game in 2014 when the air condition yeah you were the person who turned it off you were you were upstairs at the time yeah before we fixed the 2023 lottery we had fixed the air conditioning but the the funniest thing about that story is like the 2014 spurs are all old dudes like Manu and Tony and Tim are like in their late 30s and like if

there's one team that's gonna break down because the air conditioning goes off it's not it's not it's it's it's not the Miami heat we're all 27 and like their athletic primes it's like the old counterpoint if you ever been like you know to an old person's house they always have the heat on they don't want that draft they feel that draft they feel oh whoa yeah there's a little yeah there's a little draft coming in yeah pop might have been like we can't afford to air condition the entire neighborhood yeah right you remember that time when Manu notably punched a bat out of the air oh that's one of the most badass moments in like viral NBA history yeah of course we had to get rabies shots yeah that was insane there was a bat that was flying around on the court and

man who just hit it out of the air and they're like man you're not supposed to do that man yeah I want to say it's like really cool but the team was kind of annoyed because like I think he had to miss a game or two because he had to get rabies treatment that would have been a very fun I want to go back and and look at that injury report man who didn't know man who didn't know bleat dnp rabies what uh so speaking of uh like the elements which is crazy to say in a basketball game yeah there's been a lot of talk about the mile high with Denver yeah when you guys would go there what was the what was the difference in game prep or like conversations beforehand for the players I mean all the guys have played there so many times it's just like you're gonna get tired

before you think you are and you're gonna have to have like a little extra element of like toughness to get through a 48 minute playoff game now that's the thing that's different is the Lakers are a really good defense but the Nuggets were the best offense in the NBA and so now you're trying to stop the best offense in the NBA at elevation right and so this series to me is a little bit about elevation but for me it's mostly about will this really powerful Lakers defense that's been tops or tops in the west since the trade deadline find some answers I think Denver scored 132 points which is like an old school Nuggets 80 score yeah you know I think the Lakers have lost all four games when they've given up 115 points they haven't played an offense like this this series is going to

be only one by the Lakers if they can bring that 130 down to 120 110 but if they're giving up 130 points whether it's at elevation or down at sea level at the crypto.com arena on their home floor they're in trouble they need to they need to get some stops big cat so speaking of your experience as well and this is might be just a dumb take because we do have dumb takes on here but how much can you attribute the change in series to series where the Lakers spend the series against the Warriors chasing stuff around chasing clay around like all their movement and everything and then they go up against the Nuggets who have a big who can do everything and it's a completely different situation that they're trying to guard do you think this is stupid they they're pros they

know exactly or is there something to be said for like we just spent a whole series doing this now we gotta do the exact opposite it's a little bit difficult to switch how we how we guard yeah I think LeBron described it to his own teammates before the Nuggets series it's like a video game like you have to it levels up with each round of the playoffs and I think that's certainly been true they played sort of a broken Grizzlies team and a really depleted Warriors team and now they're playing the number one seed right and the best offense and they're healthy and they're deep I don't think as great as LeBron James his career has been he's ever had to play a player like Jokic in the playoffs I was thinking about this on the walk over here I was like I don't think

there's been well Jokic is such a unique force yeah right but as a scorer he's hyper efficient and can put up 30 he's ever taking a 30 point triple double in these playoffs which is insane and his assists are leading to 25 or 30 points more for the Nuggets so like it's really a hard player to beat because of his size and then if you if you double team him he will destroy you and his teammates are going to create buckets on there on their end on those passes the answer might be Dirk Dirk Nowitzki in terms of like the size being able to shoot everywhere yes the hyper skilled big right yeah and then you lost that series yeah right exactly scored eight points in game three or four yeah and I mean the thing with Jokic is like with all due respect to Dirk one of my favorite

players like 20 some rebounds right 15 assists it's like a 2k character who's like putting up these ridiculous stats a 30 point triple double nobody's averaged that this deep into the playoffs in the history of the sport yeah it is crazy on the altitude front have have there ever been like has there been an NBA team that's had the oxygen containers on the bench like you see in mile high stadium I feel like I've seen that but on the spot I can't think of that but maybe they should they should think about doing that yeah get some oxygen mask going on on as far as LeBron James is concerned yeah I feel like we've started to appreciate LeBron more on this show he's hilarious his lies are very funny he's a very good player he's lived up to our expectations that we correctly

set for him at the start of his career but in terms of his game evolving his game has changed over the years right so if you were to look at it from your your like heat map breakdown or any other way that you can explain it to us what has LeBron gotten better at later on in his career and what has he gotten worse at he's picking his spots better but I actually he was the first NBA player I ever interviewed in 2013 it was just terrifying but I asked him then about the evolution of his game I didn't know at the time like Tom Brady he was at the end of the first half yeah his career right one Hall of Fame careers over the second one just started and at that time he had learned how to make plays a lot better for his teammates oh and he had learned a little bit of

a post game and he had that particularly he'd stopped shooting so many threes the formula generally speaking pft as a scorer remains the same he's the leading scorer of all time because he's the best paint scorer of our lifetime in terms of magnitude he's led the league in points in the paint multiple times and his jump shot is mediocre and that's still the same his mid-range shooting in his era he sort of followed suit with the general trend like mid-range you takes a lot more three so almost all of his jumpers now not almost all of them but a bigger share of them or three point jump shots a smaller share or mid-range it does feel like though and obviously it's LeBron James so you can't say like oh this is what you want out of him because you every time he has a ball you got to be

worried but it does feel like teams are okay with him shooting threes yeah they should be I think in the playoffs you can look it up but I think it's like 31% or lower you know somebody 25% 25% he's having a tough time the thing I would say about both him and Anthony Davis on offense they're a lot scarier in the paint than anywhere else and I would say the same thing about Anthony Davis on defense he's not that scary on the perimeter he's terrifying if they keep him in there in the paint but yeah if you're game planning if you're the nuggets right now and either Anthony Davis or LeBron James are rising up for a jump shot that feels good yeah it's the same thing I'd say about Yanis and I would normally say about like Jimmy Butler whose jump shooting numbers in the regular

season are pretty bad but I wouldn't say that about him me right now but yeah LeBron shooting a three doesn't scare anyone right now so we're taping this on Thursday afternoon it's before game two of the Nuggets Lakers who do you do you have who do you have winning I think Denver is so good at home they've been the best team in the west all year so I have Denver winning so that means game two is a must win for Denver it's a must win yeah definitely must because if they're so good at home yeah you got to win your home games uh you they yeah the Lakers put it this way if the Lakers win game two they went they they accomplished the cliche split right like yeah we go on and now we just got to win our home games this series starts at that point where Max is so triggered

that just the word must win has him shaking his head must win is the most infuriating two words in the English language to me right now one of my favorite bits is like when y'all guys radio row or whatever ask the Super Bowl people like uh who does that who does that bit is this a must oh I think that's uh Dave Damosha that's a great bit is this a must win but yeah game seven is it do you guys think this is a must yeah well we've changed hard to know yeah and we correctly told Max the path we told him game three was it must win for the sixers and he didn't win but if you split on the road if you're the Lakers then you go home you hold serve at home for the rest of the series boom yeah so I guess it must win yeah it's a must win it's a must it's a it's a no it's

not a must win I mean the Lakers I mean LeBron James is the guy who came back from three to one against the 73 wins no but the Nuggets it's a must win oh for the Nuggets I do think so yeah yeah I have it as a must compete for the Lakers must compete no no for the Nuggets oh looking at my notes now too PFT I don't have it as a must win I also have it as a must compete okay yeah you have to show me some life you have to fight you're not going to get the crazy part about that first game was the Nuggets had all those lucky shots that went in off balance falling away just they probably had five shots that had no business going into the basket they made all five of them and then they barely managed to squeak away at the end so that was would you consider that a moral victory

for the Lakers in game one that was the the other way to look at is that was about the Lakers best offensive shot I think AD had 40 LeBron had 26 they were shooting well if you look at their scores like them scoring 126 is a pretty rare thing I think that might even be their high in this post season maybe they had one more but like I said earlier it's this Lakers offense isn't good enough to win a game where they give up 130 points very often yeah I still like to think of the NBA and NBA jam terms yeah growing up in the 90s you play that video game I'm assuming if you were to reduce every team to an NBA jam duo yeah who wins the finals and who would those yo kitchen Murray remind me of the spurs because they're like two foreign guys that nobody cares about they think are boring

in the national media but they're really bad asses obviously and and that's underappreciated but Anthony Davis and LeBron James would be hard to uh because they're both powerful scores powerful defenders the the Celtics obviously have to and can I get two jimmies for Miami yeah I'll give you two jimmies I forgot that I'm taking two jimmies two jimmies that's too many hymns though it can't be it's them yeah they would be them no Jimmy and Kevin Love and you put Kevin Love in the corner for NBA Jam for the threes yeah who would be the heat second guy bam yeah but yeah I'm shooting maybe it's bad maybe it's jimmy that shooting green bar would be all the way yeah jimmy bam then Kevin Love you had the three or maybe max truce yeah one quarter I forgot your

mom where he was Gabe Benson I did too when he said when he said two two foreign guys yeah I was like what the fuck yeah well mom where is Canadian well there is a movement that pft's been following I'm sure about uh making Canada the 51st state not quite there yet I have seen that so like Alberta wants to secede from Canada and join the United States first of all I'm going to need to see at least like a powerpoint from the government of Alberta tell me what you bring to the table your application is been denied I would be I would be into it just because we would get Connor McDavid and then maybe the Oilers would win a Stanley Cup and maybe like America still has this yeah you could yeah and you could also tell Canada like do you guys ever in the history of

your country ever want to win a Stanley Cup again join us join us yeah join a guy I would also I would say we'd have to kick one state out I like 50 stars on the flag it's easy to remember one state's got to go plus the shape of the map like if alberts is like now we have some kind of tumor growing out of like Montana up there I think you just make it the Dakota one Dakota one Dakota would be one Dakota's fine that's all you need just give Delaware to France or something yeah like I told you a conference realignment's getting out of control yeah exactly exactly uh non-playoff uh what are the Warriors gonna do I thought we were going Wemby uh the Warriors are going to you know have some big questions about Draymond Green coming back uh he's gonna either

come back for one year or he's going to be a free agent the good news is they have Stefan Curry who is a culture setter they have Clay Thompson any almost any other team I should say about 25 teams would say okay I'll trade places with them you have Steph Curry you have Steve Kerr you have Clay Thompson you might have Draymond Green I'll take it yeah I'll start that's starting on second if not third base for your next season I think they tried and failed Big Cat to to sort of develop their new core on the fly uh Wiseman's no longer there Kaminga hasn't hit Moses Moody is not quite there uh Jordan Poole uh has has not quite meshed with the older players that fair to say that's fair that's fair you say he stinks yeah meshed with the older dream on did say that

if he didn't punch them they would have won that series I didn't accountability yeah or he said maybe would have gone different or if you punched them harder maybe he said they'd still be playing yeah they'd still be playing if he'd killed them with a punch they might have won that series somebody else to say Jordan Poole yeah yeah so yeah I mean I I do think they should keep Draymond how can you know I mean Draymond is is that team like I was talking about earlier with the Celtics the the Warriors dynasty is obviously about shooting and in revolutionary shooting but people sleep on the defense they've been a top five defense almost every time they've won and Draymond has changed the way that teams play defense in this league switch everything small

player skills at the center position setting up his teammates and Steve Kerr deserves a lot of credit for building this motion offense that plays through Draymond Green um so yeah they should keep Draymond in my opinion because yeah it's such a core piece of their identity I said I went as far as the second most player on the most important player on their team who's the first Steph I agree yeah yeah I think Steph you kind of have to give it to Steph yeah but I do think if you if they said like Draymond or Clay like Clay is phenomenal career but you saw that it's not maybe not the same maybe he gets it back he's gone through some crazy injuries but like he they were LeBron was running away from Clay yeah in that series to let him take

open shots to go guard Steph Draymond right now I think still has has that defensive edge but you know when I look at the failure of this Warriors season it's it's based on depth and defense and Draymond takes accountability for that defense and and they have been top five when they won the championship including last year and this year they were middle of the pack they were not good on the road obviously uh and then the depth uh the front office was unable to sort of surround that core dudes with with the sort of auto porter type players they had last year the Andre Agadala Sean Livingston earlier in the dynasty Javale Javale like yeah you know championship teams you can't have like weak links almost anywhere the playoffs are too hard uh and this

this year's Warriors team just didn't have like that Agadala Livingston even auto porter type players in those roles you used the F word you said failure was it a failure did you mean to say that or was it you're gonna seize on that I mean if you look at it from a life perspective they got to travel a lot hang out with their friends they grew as individuals yeah yeah what what if the spurs when they lose uh when you what year did you start with the spurs 15 okay so let's say a year they lose in the playoffs if you walked in the offices after and you're like guys I don't really think that was a failure like we learned a lot about ourselves no we walk in so the first year I worked I was like finally playoffs are over we lost you know take a break I was like

no now it's time to do the draft right so you walk in and it's like incredible effort on the draft nobody talks about it you're just like okay we have 29th pick in the draft like get to work and we have 59-2 and we take that more seriously than anybody so it's like secretly the hardest part of a front office is after the playoffs when now you have to turn around and draft and prepare for free agency um but when we would lose to Oklahoma City or we lose to the Warriors in the playoffs it of course it hurt especially in the years where you think you could win the championship right when there's that window and you don't strike that is it's okay to say that we failed at our goal this season yeah and I mean you're a bad person it doesn't

mean that you wasted the year of your life and that's a that's a nice sort of turn of the of the language like yeah we didn't we failed to meet our goal like that's what I'm saying like I actually agree with what Yana said and what Damien Lillard said earlier in the season about rings culture and like Yana's saying failure it's not a personal failure that's not what I'm saying obviously you guys know that but you know they they failed to meet their expectations with this title defense that is that is obvious yeah so you mentioned the draft um let's talk about Wimbanyama so congrats on rigging the draft in San Antonio great job pop third time that they've had the first overall pick third time they've gotten the best player ever to play on their team so

that's big stuff congratulations we want to be first on the Wimbanyama is going to be a bust train so can we say that he's too French that's kind of the line that we're going with right now no no he's very French yeah I heard a democracy PFT you know yeah but like Rudy Gobiak too French maybe yeah right I don't think he's that French okay okay he's Tony Parker he's Tony Parker friends he's Boris Dio French he's the line France yeah yeah he's the surrender France no no we've you gotta you gotta think that's just easy yeah you think there's a you know the spurs sitting there being like so how French is he he's fully French yeah fully like he's gonna bring his own guillotine or what like there's different kinds of French that's what I learned from you guys that's true he's

Tony Parker French he's got he's got the heart of a champion out there he's a young guy and like Tony when we drafted him a long time ago nobody expected him to become a finals MVP this guy has very high expectations oh you think a little little out of control do yeah I mean it is I mean you guys have followed the Zion hype the Lebron hype it doesn't always work but this guy is built to I always say it's like if you if you challenge the 10 year old to create a 2k player or draw on a piece of paper what an incredible basketball player would look like you draw a kid would draw a seven five guy who can dribble pass and shoot yeah so he's good so you think it's like how many championships yeah in and how what would be failure for his career if you look at it let's let's set the line

right now I'd say if he wins fewer than four titles failure chris broussard your man today I saw in social media you said if he's not a keem or kd it's a failure yep that's a little rich but I mean these are generational players so obviously we know how these guys turned out but if you like went back the last 20 years number one overall picks Lebron uh Anthony Davis uh Anthony white yeah Dwight Howard yeah now maple Jordan Anthony Bennett like would you say he's on par with those type of prospects just coming in in terms of everything you've seen I mean even in a measured way guys like all jokes aside he deserves to be in my opinion the most hyped player since Lebron James is coming to the NBA okay and it's largely a physical thing basketball is not rocket science

like even though people like me try to make it that way if you're seven five and you can run and jump like just imagine big cat trying to shoot against this dude like just imagine trying to put my ass into him and just he might not even be a center he might be this terrifying like help defender that can stretch out with these like plastic arms and block any shot just that you're talking about one of the the the bullshit shots the nuggets hit the other night and I know one of them you're talking about is the a geocache at the three-point line and ad extending as far as he could to block it ad probably the best single defensive impact right now in the playoffs lemmon yama blocks that exact shot hmm that you're also telling me he's soft because he's not gonna play center you said

he was soft because he was french and I'm not saying that double sony parker french to ply no he's going to be I think his immediate impact is on is on defense I would say look the popovich dynasty is built on three things the first thing is lottery luck the second thing is defense and the third thing is foreign players what I like about this for the spurs is he sort of represents all three of those things to extend that dynasty into the 2020 he's the he's the perfect spur congratulations you got you got the perfect that's right when you take into account the the greg popovich factor he's obsessed with wine right oh yeah but pop is like a big wine guy yeah tell us about pop did he ever take you guys out for like expensive bottles of wine I've heard that he'll go in and

like educate the sommelier on their own wine list in a restaurant no he loves his european wine it's his italian reds and his french reds he loves some oregon reds but he is very knowledgeable but likes to learn a lot he's got a growth mindset but so if he comes out to new york he goes to per se or something like that chances are the psalm knows a lot about wine and he's not sitting there teaching them but yeah those dinners with pop are legendary in part because of these international teams he's built and you're sitting across the table from some somebody from a far land a far away land who's got an interesting story and that's a big part of that spurs culture all right so I had one last question we love having you on kirk row back question promo code take 20 off your first

purchase q zips polos hoodies joggers and shorts shorts for the summer rhobck.com promo code take for 20 off your first purchase four teams left hard to screw this up finals and champion you've now had the most predictions in part in my take history how many predictions do i get you only get one give us finals and champion i'll get no i'll give you three yeah i'll give you three okay so give us your first best i still think boston and denver okay top top seeds remaining lakers celtics would be and that's just a classic because they both i think i talked about this last time both hanging on the 17th title and like the battle for 18 head to head would be pretty sweet and then yeah i mean miami denver would be my third one okay but my my champion it's either

going to be the nuggets the celtics the lakers or the heat folks okay but so the one combination you didn't pick though was heat lakers definitely not happening definitely i don't think that's ever happened i don't think that's ever happened right now the bubble finals yeah i'm adding that's my prediction list yeah and all seriousness boston denver boston denver the most winner teams and i would take denver dude let's go i did write the article about yokich's defense i still think that's an issue for that team but boston's a real jump shooting happy team that weakness would sort of be deodorized by the style play of the celtic squad so i'll be wrong i love being wrong on your show um it is fun pardon my incorrect takes yeah but like that nerd i will

also remind you big cat that in our playoff preview in austin i was clear that this is the most f'd up postseason you did nba history it's so weird we have an eight seat oh two eight seeds in the conference finals we have the first play in team winning a series we have two playing teams winning series it's just the it's parody it's a lot like march madness when we saw you guys in houston and we're looking at the final four we're like how did these teams make it to the final four yeah it's fun it's been an awesome play it would also be just a great if you if you're a fan of tuning into the show to hear us lose listening to lebron james beat hank personally in the finals that would be an all-time episode i would love that i don't want them to win but

that's a great consolation prize that we would have yeah and there's there's a lot of good stories like jimmy does this like that will be one of if not the most incredible runs of ever seen in the postseason yoke it's obviously would take his reputation doing out of level but yeah if lebron wins this there's a lot of there's a lot of legacies it's legacy talk jimmy yeah jimmy yeah becomes like something totally different he'd be able to be something different yeah so yeah jimmy would become an all-time great yeah if you want a championship this year yeah legendary does he want it more is he going to try hard that's a question i think yes um but you wrote him off that's fine yeah he did uh kirk thank you as always great to see you great to talk ball

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I think when we started this podcast, we're like, this will be a really good idea. We'll send recurring guest shirts to all of our recurring guests. I think we might have only sent like three of them out. I know you have one. Rachel Nicholas has one. Blake Griffin is still waiting for his in the mail. Yeah. Who else has one? It might just be two. Spencer Haas might have one. He might. Yeah. But it is as rare as rare gets for you to have that. Hey, I embraced the recurring guest shirt. I really do. I wear it. I've worn it before with you guys once before at Churchill Lounds, but I had to bring it. That's awesome. And also I didn't text you till yesterday because we've just been busy. So you

packed that. I just in case. I love it. I heard from you, big cat. I packed it. And my daughter goes to the University of Oklahoma as did two of my sons. So I've got to fly the OU, the OU shirt as well. I love it. All right. So there you go. Great start to this. Not to get negative, but I think Durma Soda Gatto just finished the Kentucky Derby. He actually ran a good race when you go back and look at what happened to him at the start. I'm not saying he would have won. I'm not going to make excuses. But to finish six with that start that he had left being way back there, I was proud of the way the old Durma Soda got ran, but he didn't and you didn't cast. That's a loser talk. Respectfully, Randy. That's a loser talk.

He finished the race. If he had ran the entire race, like you thought he would, he would have won, but he didn't. So he lost. But you get, but everyone, yeah, everyone who bet on him gets a stamp on their ticket saying Randy Moss was proud of him. Hey, up to the mark won the race before those. So let's get some money to bet on Durma Soda Gatto and lose it all back. That's actually exactly how my Derby Day went. So thank you for extending my enjoyment of that lovely Saturday. What, what, what was the issue with him out of the gate? He lurched to the left, slammed into the side of the gate and whereas they wanted to be sitting third or fourth on the outside tracking the pace, they were last when

they left the starting gate and wound up being way back there. So was Mage, but Mage likes to run that way and Durma Soda Gatto is used to being up close to the pace. He rallied in front of Mage. Yes. I think when I turned into the stretch and, but Mage blew by him and he sort of ran evenly dressed their way. Yeah. It was, it was a crazy Derby because we had the favorite be out before the, the race even happened. What was your take on all of that? I know that there was some sensitivity around horses because there had been some tragedies that week, but for Micro Poli, it felt like he got kind of screwed because he had a horse that had beaten Mage twice in the last two times. And they clearly felt Rapoli and his trainer, Todd Fletcher,

that Forte was capable of running and would be just fine for the Kentucky Derby, but here's the deal. We're going to be, there were five scratches in all for the Kentucky Derby. That's the most since the 1930s. There was one year in the 1930s that also had five scratches, but this is something that we're going to have to get used to because there is an increased emphasis, and not just because of what happened at church allowance this year on horse safety, that he veterinary examinations, pre-race are much more stringent than they ever have been before, which is a good thing, but you're going to see this going forward, maybe not five every year, but there will definitely be more scratches right before triple crown races than we're accustomed to seeing.

What are those veterinary checkups like? Do they feel the horse's muscles? Do they watch it run? Both. They not only have a lot more eyeballs on the horses every morning when they train, but they also do up close hands-on physical examinations right before the race. One day, two days before the race, they'll feel the horse's legs. They'll watch the horse jog on asphalt, where sometimes if the horse has any problems, it'll show up more jogging on asphalt than it will jogging on a cushioned racing surface. They'll turn over every rock that they can in order to try to assure that the horses are perfectly 100% sound before the race, and Forte had had a bruised foot that they were dealing with right before the race

happened on Wednesday. They thought that he had turned the corner and the horse would be just fine to race, but the veterinarian saw another one. All right, so looking at the preakness, mage is going to be, is the betting favorite right now, but we have a bafford horseback. So bafford's back in the mix, national treasure. Do you think from just like how it always works out is there's some horses racing in the preakness that didn't race in the Kentucky Derby, what does that mean for mage racing just two weeks ago and the advantage for all the other horses? You know, generally in the past horses from the Kentucky Derby have come back and won their races two weeks later in the preakness, but a lot of that is because

the primary horses they were running against, the toughest competition also ran in the Kentucky Derby. So they were all coming back in two weeks, right? Now you've got a phenomenon where you have horses like national treasure in first missions and perform who have more time off coming into the preakness than mage does. And the two weeks, I think is a disadvantage to mage. Even though they say he's been trained simply well and seems to have bounced back, you can't really tell the best trainers in the world. Wayne Lucas will always tell you that the better a horse is, the more difficult it is to read how much a race took out of the horse, because the great horses, just like the great human athletes, they do things easily. They make it look easy

and they're eager to train in the mornings and they're enthusiastic about doing their jobs. But then as my buddy, my colleague Jerry Bailey always says, you really don't know how much the Derby took out of the horse until you get to the quarter pole of the preakness. So I do think it's a disadvantage for mage and I also think that the pace that was a big advantage as it turned out for him at the Kentucky Derby, it was much faster than we had all expected, is probably not going to materialize that way on Saturday here. And that also won't necessarily play in mage's favor. Randy, I need you to talk me out of something because I feel like I'm being entrapped into making a bet that I will soon regret. And that's on the long shot for this

for this race because the long shot 50 to one right now, chase the chaos. You can't name a long shot. I can't have the long shot in the race be called chase the chaos and not bet on it because it's telling me that I need to chase the chaos because what if the chaos wins? So talk me out of betting on this horse. The only chaos that you're likely to experience betting on chase the chaos is maybe trying to explain to people afterward why you bet on chase the chaos. The odds are representative of the horse's chances of winning, put it that way. You're not getting a bargain if the horse is 30 to one or 40 to one. If you want to bet a long shot and I don't know how much of a long shot he's going to be, he's 15 to one of the program,

perform as an outstanding chance to win the race despite the fact that he's likely to be double digit odds. If you go back and watch his last race, which was here at Pemlico, trained by Sugar McGay, the horse got in more trouble than a sailor on shore leave. I mean, it was like he had no chance to win watching the race and he only got a chance to run like 100 yards when he finally got clear. And then he just erupts and he mows by horses and looks really good winning. Now he's been in a lot tougher competition. Yeah. But he's got a great trainer. He's coming into the race the right way. He's improving. He's got a really good chance to win at a nice price. What is your pick for the Preakness? Because we also, there's first mission as well. There's

a lot of people are going to take national treasure. Which horse do you think is going to win the Preakness? I'll take national treasure. I think he's going to control the pace. This is obviously on dirt. That's a primary importance. He's never been in a situation where he had that advantage before in any of his recent races. They've always felt like he was a really, really good horse. Just never quite got over the hump. Never quite showed them everything that they thought he had. They're putting blinkers on, which a lot of times will, will help if a horse maybe isn't 100% focused all the time. And with the inside post and John Velasquez and a lack of competing early speed, plus the blinkers, I think you'll control the pace. To me, that gives him the

edge. Okay. This might be a dumb question, but do they monitor how much the horses sleep the night before the race? Monitor. It depends on your definition of monitor. They have night watchmen on hand. Even if they have a camera and the horse is tall, they don't go back and check that. So no. I just wonder if there's any correlation between a well rested horse running a good race, just like a human, a well rested human would perform better. Usually. Oh, I'm sure there is. I'm sure if a horse had a restless, sleepless night for whatever reason, he would be tired on the race day and would not run as well. But they take every precaution to make sure that there are no disturbances around the barn. They have the night watchmen making sure that there's no

commotion outside to wake a horse up or anything like that. So it's hard to say if a horse has a restless night, but if they do, it wouldn't be advantageous. I don't think it happens very often, though. Horses like their sleep. Yeah. Just like they like to eat. They like to eat. That's why I'm a horse fan. So we can see you as well on Friday with the Black Eyed Susan. Let's talk about that race real quick. Okay. Give us give us your take on the race and maybe even maybe even exotics where, you know, which horses you think are going to maybe not win, but finish in one, two, three. Well, I give you what I think is a is a is a really solid exact. It's probably not going to pay a whole lot. It's not going to be 15 to one like perform,

but Faiza over Merlin. Okay. And you get the Bob Bafford thing here again in the Black Eyed Susan. The thing about Faiza, she's undefeated, right? She's, I think she's six for six. I believe it's six for six, maybe five for five, but she's never been beaten. She won the San Anita Oaks by six and a half lengths. Normally in most situations, per the Churchill Downs rule this year, the owner of Faiza, who has gotten a Michael Lund Peterson, one of the founders of Pandora Jewelry, would have transferred the horse to another trainer, which would have permitted Faiza to run in the Kentucky Oaks. But Peterson said, no, and I'm not doing that. I said, Bob Bafford's my man. Bob Bafford is the guy who's given me every bit of success I've ever had in thoroughbred racing. I'm going to

stay loyal to the team. I'm not going to give the horse to another trainer. We can't run in the Kentucky Oaks. Okay. So what? I'm from Baltimore. We'll just run in the Black Eyed Susan instead of the Kentucky Oaks. So the best three-year-old Philly in the country was not in the Kentucky Oaks, but she will be in the Black Eyed Susan against a much easier competition than she would have faced in the Kentucky Oaks anyway. That's interesting. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I think Faiza's a standout in the Black Eyed Susan, and I really like Marlaza's last race at Oakland Park. So I think that's a pretty solid exact on Friday. I like Marlaza's, my favorite jockeys on Marlaza, Florence Giroux. His mother-in-law used to be a

waitress at Arlington Heights, where there was a racetrack. And every time that she would, if we had her, just bet Florence Giroux all day and he would win everything. Yeah. He's a good rider. Joelle Rosario rode Marlaza in her last race at Oakland Park. They switched to Florence Giroux, and Rosario's agent was not particularly happy about that switch. So she is a horse that's got a good reputation. Yeah. How many prejudices does this make for you, Randy? Well, it was my 43rd Kentucky Derby here, and I'm one shy on the Preakness count. So this would be my 42nd, my 42nd Preakness. So you gave us some good flavor with what to expect if you're going to the Derby for the first time. I'm from the D.C. area, so I know a little bit

more about the Preakness and the Port-A-Potty Relays that they do up there. But from your perspective, if you're going to the Preakness for the first time, what should you expect as a spectator? The infield, if your tastes run to raucous celebrations, to raucous party atmospheres, with good music, by the way. The infield is much more, I think it's more fun at Baltimore than it is at Churchill Downs. They've tightened up security at the Kentucky Derby infield a lot more than they have the Preakness infield. So if you really like that sort of thing, and who doesn't, then the Preakness infield is a whole heck of a lot of fun. That's a very classy way for you to say it's a shit show. It's just a shit show there.

You've seen the Port-A-Potty runs, you know how that works. The facility itself, I would say, if people have never been to the Preakness, have never seen the second leg of the Triple Crown. And I'll try to say this in a diplomatic way. Keep your expectations low. The Pemlico is not exactly the garden spot of American horse racing. The grandstand is in various states of disrepair. A portion of it is condemned down at the end, where they can't put fans in it anymore. The plan, and it can't come soon enough, is to tear it down and rebuild the facility here, which the Preakness greatly deserves. But on the other, on the flip side, it is traditional. I mean, you could definitely come to the Preakness and say that the grandstand

looks exactly like it looked 60, 70 years ago. It just needs a little help, and it will get it. But it's a fantastic, fun event. The people of Baltimore brace it wholeheartedly. It's one of my favorite weeks of the year. It's always a great week of racing. And as Chick Lang, the guy that used to run Pemlico for years called Mr. Preakness, what Chick Lang always liked to say, the Preakness has something that the Kentucky Derby will never have. It has the Derby winner. That's true. That's true. Good point. That's a great point. All right. Last question. Any other race, any other horse you're looking at that people can keep their eyes on either Friday or Saturday? Do you have the entries in front of you there? What race? Go to the dinner party

stakes on Saturday. I think it's the seventh race, maybe something like that. Okay. Hold on. All right. Trainer Graham Motion has three horses that he has entered in the dinner party stakes. And the only reason I'm asking you to do this is because I had to rush out here and I've been to... Oh, wait, wait. I've got my computer with me as well, if you can't find it. There is a horse I gave you up to the mark. There's a horse that I like just as much in the dinner party stakes, and I've got it right here. His name is Hurricane Dream. All right. He looked so good, so good winning his last race. He looked like he's going to be one of the best turf horses in America, just like up to the mark when he won the old Forrester Turf Classic. So I think you can,

in my opinion, you can confidently bet Hurricane Dream in the dinner party stakes. Which race is that? That is race... Dinner party stakes is the eighth race. Love it. The eighth race Saturday. All right. Okay. What is Hurricane... What are the odds going to look like for Hurricane Dream? I'm going to guess about 72, three to one, something like that in the program. He is 72. I think he might go a tick lower than that, but that would be a wise investment. Okay. I love it. I'm on it. I love it. All right. Well, Randy, thank you as always. You are the best. We appreciate your time, as always, and love the shirt. Love the shirt. There you go. There you go. All right. Thanks so much, Randy. Talk to you

later. Thanks, Randy. All right. By the way, that is Mage. I don't know if you can see in the little gap there, but... Can we say hi? Can we say congratulations? Oh, look at that. This is my favorite part. I think we did this one year when a horse got busted for doping, and we apologized to it. Was it Nyquist? No, we kicked Nyquist off towards that fat piece of shit. Hey, Mike Turico. Hey, Mike Turico. Hey, Mike. Hey, Mamma Mia. Hey. You're a good hand boss. Go. I'm not the VIP. He's over there. Go. Mike Turico. Come on, part of my take. Oh, Jake has got a heart. One of the many things that makes Mike Turico so good. He's out here at the barns. Love it. In the afternoon. Oh, there's Mage. Hey, Mage. Just want to say on half a part

of my take, congratulations on your Derby win, but the Dermasatagaca would have beaten you if it ran its total race. Yeah. Randy was proud of Derma, not you, Mage. All right, guys. Thanks, Randy. See you, Randy. Kurt Goldberg was brought to you by our good friend and his new movie. That's right at Sony Pictures, Burt Kreischer, The Machine. This month, Sony is giving us a new must-see movie to kick off Summer starring Burt himself. Based on the outrageous truest story of Burt Kreischer that blew up the internet, the movie picks up 23 years after the iconic story from Burt's signature set, his true experience with Russian mobsters while on a booze-soaked college trip. That trip from college has come back to haunt Burt as he and his estranged father,

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It sucks. It's not great. And I'm going home this weekend, which is part of my firefest, so that just adds an extra wrinkle. So I'm just, I'm just stressed, but it's really, there's nothing to be stressed about other than just the fact that I have to like be proactive with a lot of stuff. That's going to be stressed about other than stress itself, moving, buying a new house, getting rid of your furniture and your favorite basketball teams down to one. Oh, and don't forget fixing the car that he crashed. Yes. But besides that, smooth sailing, easy week, easy week. Yeah, these are being an adult rules for the most part, but you'll have these times where it's like this sucks. I really wish I didn't have to like just the act of making

decisions, planning things. It sucks. This is going to sound a little crazy slash dramatic, but I was, I was packing yesterday and I legitimately like closed my eyes and was like, could I just fast forward a week and a half? Yeah. Like it's open my eyes and it's, I'm in Chicago and someone knocked us out, moved in. It sucks, but I'm, I'm, I'm excited for a week and a half. I'll just say that. Yeah. My other fire fest. So I am going home this weekend, Stella blue coffee. Yeah. Just announced a partnership with Keynes donuts, which is a donut shop in Boston. They have some in Saugus. They have one downtown and future me, we were in a meeting talking about it. They said, Hank, you're going to be in Boston anytime soon. I said,

yeah, I'll be home next weekend. And then I said that I would go to a Keynes donut. I'm going to give out some Stella blue coffee hats, but I am playing golf at nine 30. So I'm going at 7am on Saturday, which future me was like, yeah, sure. I'll just do it first thing in the morning. And now again, like adding that to the plate of, of things that I have going on is, is just doesn't, doesn't make me less stressed. Well, I mean, you got to get up to play golf anyway. Might as well have some great donuts. Yeah. Keynes donuts. There are multiple locations. Actually, when, when Massachusetts got gambling legalized, we went up to do streams and we were there for the weekend. I went to Keynes donuts, walked in, got my donuts, walked to the car and the woman who owns Keynes

donuts poked her head out and she's like, are you big cat? And I was like, yeah. And she's like, Oh, I'm a huge fan. And then they now carry Stella blue coffee. So great, like great story, great people. And Hank, you will get to meet them. Yeah, I'm excited to go. I'm just not excited to wake up and I got to make sure, you know, I get up for it. But I will be there Saturday morning, seven o'clock downtown location. I will be giving out Stella blue coffee hats. If you get there early enough, so come out at seven and incredible. So blue coffee, get a donut. We're going to have some custom six Boston cream pie donuts. They're making for me. So yeah, come come out and get some. Also, if you are a listening to this and you work at a donut place or own a donut place

around America, let's talk, let's get it going. Let's build DM the Stella blue coffee account on Instagram or Twitter because I want to carry Stella blue coffee in all the donut shops. So shout out Maria from Keynes donuts, who was the first to jump aboard. You can get Stella blue coffee if you're in the Boston area, you're getting donuts, Stella blue coffee at all Keynes donut locations now. Beautiful. You're fucked. Again, like I'm everything. I've spent a lot of the last two days just like, because usually it's like, you know, in the flow of a work, we give one or two things, extra things that you have to focus on. Yeah, I know your I have like 10 things and every time I'm just like, just don't even think about it. Get me to a week and a half.

Yeah, no, you're fucked. You're fucked. You're fucked. You're completely fucked. But if the Celtics fucking lose on Friday, I'll be, I'll not be a happy camper. But I will be a happy camp. We season. No, just I'll be happy. Okay. Put a smile on your face. Yeah. All right. Pft. My firefest of the week is that I've, I've become addicted to minus signs. I go minus sign hunting. Yeah. And for the last couple of weeks, I've been, I've been betting pretty heavy on pretty heavy favorites or taking a lot of props where the I'm doing the adjusted overs where it bumps it down a few slots. So the, the odds are terrible, but I'm laying a lot of money on it and I've been winning on them. And it's it, I'm going to get doinked again is basically like, I know I see this train

coming. I'm standing on the tracks and I'm going to get hit by it eventually. But so far I haven't. And it's, it's giving me a very false sense of confidence that I'm an excellent gambler. Yeah. So I've been, my, my thing is I'm a big ass guy. I've been going at the overs for assists for various players each night. And, and so far the asses are pulling through, but again, that might have something to do with the fact that all the overs are hitting. Yeah. No, every game's been playoffs. Yeah. I mean, both the first games went like 30 points over the total. So all the overset. I know Hank, you know, your big, your big plus sign guy, but a lot of people think that it's actually more courageous. It takes bigger balls to go after a minus sign than it does a plus

sign. Cause you got to lay so much on it. It's actually, yeah. That's like, that's like, you're like a bail bonds guy. Yeah. What do you mean? That's definitely not true. You're just like 30 year fixed income stocks. I agree with him. No, but it's, I mean, if, if you're, you're putting more money on the line, you're just investing in Apple, McDonald's, Google, you're playing safe. No, but you're not playing safe when you put so much money on it to make like a third of what you just bet. Right. But it's more likely to happen. And you're, you're basically saying, I don't have the balls to do bet something that's wildly unlikely. That's not what I'm saying at all, because Billy is the worst gambler and crazy, like not even really a gambler and he's agreeing

with you. That's all you need to know. Who, who had the best record in NFL gambling this year? But that was straight spreads. Yeah. I'm just saying that had nothing to do with Hank's, Hank's bringing up gambling records. No, I'm saying Billy literally has a system where he just bets both sides. So we can say he won like a dollar. He's not gambling. Billy doesn't, he's saying that I agree. He's actually so scared of gambling. He bets both sides and he's saying you're right. Because it would be worse to lose like a minus 200 bet, but it doesn't take bigger balls. Like the betting, the unlikely outcome is the, is the most people can't bet like, oh, this plus 10 underdog, I'm going to bet a money line. That's bigger balls. But the payout is so much bigger.

Minus 10, like taking like, oh, Celtics minus let's say 275 against Sixers in game seven. If you were going to bet that money line, you shouldn't brag about that bet. But the risk rewards higher. You know what? Yeah. I mean, yeah, you're risking more money, but it's not like right. Yeah. The risk reward is higher. So you could lose in my brain. Every bet has the same ability to win or lose. Okay. Well, I now I feel a little bit less, less happy about my recent win. I like what you're doing. It obviously doesn't take it. I skier to do when you, when you, when you put in the amount, I guess for me, it feels riskier because I, I'm going into a more risk, fully well aware of the fact that this could lose in disastrous fashion because I have been

doinked in the past. And that was a big wake up call, but I'm still, I'm addicted to minus signs on the course. Hank and in my betting life. Hank said he was giving him anxiety when he saw it. Yeah. So yeah, it takes. I wrote exactly. It takes balls. But then did you have what happened? Like, so we were texting last night and you said, Marcus Smart over four and a half assists, like minus, it was like minus 200 or something. I bet it with you solidarity. Yep. And then he had nine assists in like 10 minutes. And I was like, well, that was stupid. We could have won so much more money. Yeah. So I did, I did feel that way. But then I also, it was great because I got to spend the rest of the three quarters of the game worrying about my other bets. Right. Right. So

that's just like, let's check one off the board. Yeah. But yeah. So that's, that's one problem. Also still lingering firefuses next week. I have to go up in that F 18. And yeah. And now it's becoming scary again. I was pumped and then I was scared, then I was pumped. Now I'm scared again. Just schedule, just accidentally schedule like a reunion rugby tournament. Oh, you know what? I actually did get an invitation. But usually good for one of those a year. Odds are, Odds are safe. Yeah. I'm retired until next October again. And they don't come back. Like I actually did this. But like likelihood of getting injured is far higher playing in one rugby game than it is going up in one warplane. Yeah. True. Although the, the injury is more severe in the warplane.

Possibly. I would say definitely. Possibly. Yes. I wouldn't even call it an injury. Yeah. I don't think you like strain your, you know, calf muscle in a, in a F 18. But if you are looking to go to the air show, I think it's going to be next Saturday and Sunday, we'll get a promo code up there. So we're going to have discounted tickets if you live in the Scranton area or the Poconos area. Nice. Nice. Okay. My firefest, it's pretty simple. I just, I'm just never going to like sleep again. I just realized that this, this week especially, I'm just, I think I'm going to be tired for us my life. Yeah. It just happened. It's just, I think obviously the third kid helped with that. But yeah, I had the realization like five to six hours of sleep for me now is like, I did good.

And that's ridiculous. So going back to what we were talking about earlier about how being a grown up kicks ass. There are times when I'll just stay up late just because I remind myself, oh yeah, I can stay up late whenever I want. But when you have kids that interrupt that, then it's not your choice. No. And it's them messing with things. A related thing, probably not, it's not impacting my lack of sleep as much as yours. But I'm having to pee more in the night. Like I'm getting up twice in the middle of the night now to go take a piss, which is, that's pretty bad too. That is bad. You should probably get your prostate checked. You want to check it? Well, we're doing that together, PFT and I. Yeah. We get them at the same time. It's dangerous. On our birthday kiss.

I got to get on those kegels. Yeah. But it doesn't, it does suck. I mean, Hank, you can't relate to this. I don't know. A lot of people probably can't, but just being like, I'll never sleep again. I don't know when I'll, I don't know the next time I'll sleep. Sunday. That's me. That's a PGA championship. Yeah. But no, I, that won't even take a little nap. I don't think so. I do. I am the king now of 10 minute naps. Yeah. I can fucking, I'll nap for 10 minutes in everyone's face. But yeah, it's, it's a, it's a pretty shitty feeling being like, oh yeah, when's the next time I can sleep? Yeah. Never sleep. I think as you get older, sleep becomes better than sex. It's the best thing ever. You have energy, you like eat better, all that stuff. Yeah. Billy. I got cucked by business

insider, but it's kind of my fault. Okay. So the JP Morgan AI surveillance thing was all true. Okay. I was kind of like, I try to fire early on some of these stories, just like before all the facts are out and before I can confirm just to be first to it. Yep. Smart. Smart. That's how, that's how news gets made. Exactly what Jake learned freshman year. Yeah. Always be first. Rather be first than right. Yeah. Exactly. Be first or be a parody site. And then, so I fire off a lot of stories and they end up in the pending review tab of the blog backend. So some don't get posted. And then this one just got caught up with all my pending, like crazy blog. Can you read off your pendings real quick? Okay. I'd like to see that. Probably

got a lot of them. This sounds like the worst thing business insiders ever done to us here. Yeah. Well, actually, they were the ones who took down the Reddit post. So I was getting, so I was getting DM because they wanted to be first to the story. Oh, fuck them. Yeah. I mean, fuck them for a lot of reasons. Yeah, for a lot of reasons. Well, that's also, Billy, your, the fact that they took down the Reddit post, I think you said was you saw a reply to a reply that told you that that's why it got taken down. Well, no, no, that's ended up why. Oh, they first thought I was JP Morgan, but then they're like, Oh no, it was business insider. They didn't want to leak their, their source because I was getting DMs from JP Morgan managers, like talking about AI

because we were talking about it. I was like, okay, then I once I saw the Reddit post was like, okay, I'm writing this shit. I want to see your last, just read off your last five blog titles. By the way, I forgot one other firefest. I think we're just chicks now. So Jason Whitlock was writing about Pat McAfee and he wrote, no amount of money, security and attention satiates a weak man. He behaves no differently than a woman. The moment a woman secures a Louis Vuitton bag, she covets a Fendi. The bag seduces men to act like women. Pat McAfee is the latest example. So wanting money is female behavior. It is. So fellas, unfortunately, guilty as charged, I think I'm a chick. Fellas, is it gay to have a bank account? Fellas, fellas,

is it gay to have a 401k? Dude, imagine carrying around a bunch of wadded up pieces of paper with pictures of dudes on it. Imagine saving money? No, female behavior. I also like the undercurrent and all that is just like, at all costs, do not be a female. That's kind of what Jason said, which is that's sus. Whitlock is like, I would love to study his brain. It's just, it actually is a rotten, it's like a rotten apple. I think there's worms inside of his brain. The bag he's securing is Funyuns. Okay, I got him. All right. The results of the Minzi experiment. Okay. Travis Kelsey's spike to Lombardi trophy. Okay. The Pinkerton's raid a YouTuber's house over Magic the Gathering cards. Bikini Lady combats hunters with meth

up deer in a duct tape bikini. Okay, that one should have been posted. Okay, yeah. It turns out it was fake. Oh, yeah. I was trying to get on first. Besides the Minzi, I think you're all fakes. Yeah, they're they're all. I actually think that people are just writing stories specifically so that Billy will blog them because that meth bikini hunting zombie deer thing, that's, that's like something that you dreamed while you fell asleep listening to Joe Rogan. Yeah. They killed the world's largest toad, dead animal, not allowed to be posted. Okay. Derek, that's literally a Billy rule. Wait, I'm so literally a Billy rule at the top of the blog. It says don't stop posting dead animals and Nazis. Yeah. So the second part had nothing

to do with me. We have two rules. I'm looking at I'm looking at the back end right now. Rule number one is be funny. Don't be not funny. Rule number two is no more dead animals. Yeah, that's it. And that's it. Derek Wolf saves town from giant cougar falls under dead animals. And Nazis are off limits too. That's the other part of under no more dead animals. Andrew Tate just caught a case. I was on the Andrew Tate beat, but we didn't post them. Okay. Tough beat. Sam Bankman freed made tens of thousands, tens of millions of dollars of illegal campaign donations. True or fake? I was getting there first. Okay. That one actually could get you sued. Yeah. Beasley. Baker Mayfield.

Sam Baker and freed like comes out on top after the all this. He has to give back like hundreds of millions, but then he also gets to take hundreds of millions from pen entertainment because of Billy. The bank accounts equal out to defrauding people of billions of dollars based on Billy's enormous amount of libel cases. There's always money in the banana stand. Baker Mayfield is anti turf and thinks big turf is behind ankle injury. Okay. And yeah, the rest we're going to. Oh, well, that one sounded good. Give us one more. That last one that you just kind of trailed off dead Nazi bear killed by Jewish bears. Tom Brady taught Mac Jones a dirty trick. Oh, that was also not real. Okay. Well, it's good. We have filters in

place. You are creed thoughts even for the internet. It's quite shocking. Okay. Good, good fire. So, so the story was real, but the other stories that I thought were real that didn't get posted sort of put into that category. Right. Got it. You got a reputation. It was a reputation foul. Look, I just shoot from the hip. Yeah. You got a reputation tech. You should start your own blog. That's just things that I think are real. Yeah. Please note this blog is not real. Yeah. All right, Jake, finish us off. Yeah, this one's pretty simple. I'm sending you guys the picture right now, but I ripped my jeans yesterday. I was just sitting at my desk and I saw my boxers when I looked down. This would not have happened if I was wearing mugsy. I'd get myself

more mugsy, but it was pretty big. This is a pretty big photo. This is cake marsh. Pretty big rip. Jake, this is extremely graphic thing to send to your code. You're basically, you're like Roman Roy. Oh, damn. Yeah. You're sending us graphic pictures. Double cheeked up on a Thursday. Tough. That's a weird pose. It was just putting my foot up so I could. I don't think anyone could see that you had a rip in your jeans. Jake, who else have you sent this to? Some people would pay for that. Nobody. I wear ripped jeans like for like maybe two weeks after they actually. Oh, easily. But near your balls. Yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah. That's where they rip every time. Unless your actual dick can flop out, I'll wear ripped jeans. I also rip a pair of jeans once a month.

Yeah. What's up with that? I get cheap jeans. Oh, okay. Got to go mugsy. Yeah. Got to go mugsy. Got to go mugsy. Lesson that I need to go mugsy as well. Max is allegedly going to the gym. He sent us a Photoshop picture. It was not a photo. That was a real picture. Sure it was. On the elliptical? Yeah. No, it was actually on the treadmill. I was doing an incline walk. Whitlock's going to call you a chick. He catches you on that elliptical. Okay. Let's finish off memes. Where's memes? Has you ever gotten this? Memes! Let's do numbers. I'll go one. 26. I'll go 17. Hey memes. Have you ever gotten this? 20. Okay. What's your number, memes? One. Oh, I just took one. He took one. 17. I already have 17. 99. 99's available. Yeah,

there you go. All right. Say your numbers real quick again. One. 17. 26. 18. 20. Come on, memes. I'm actually rooting for memes. Wow. Wow. Okay, we'll see everyone on one. Love you guys. Chimps will hunt Columbus monkeys. Take on me, take me on. I'll be gone, you don't have to hold me. Things that you say, you don't know I won't. Just the way I love you. The moments I've got to remember. You're shining away. I'll be coming for you anyway. I'll be coming for you anyway. Take on me, take me on. I'll be gone, you don't have to hold me.