Pardon My Take - NCAA Tournament W/ Mark Titus, Ryan FitzPatrick To WFT And The Bears Sign Andy Dalton
Episode Date: March 17, 2021We start the show in a world where Big Cat doesn’t know Andy Dalton is about to be the Bears QB and PFT celebrates Ryan Fitzpatrick’s signing in Washington (4:04 - 23:33). Breaking Moos brings us ...the Dalton move and instant reaction (23:33 - 30:34). Hot seat/cool throne and Billy’s long awaited QB bracket (30:34 - 48:09). Mark Titus joins the show to break down the Bracket, Brad Stevens to Indiana, sleepers, how good Gonzaga is and Big Ten excuses just in case (48:09 - 105:51). We finish with FAQ’s.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake
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On today's part of my take, we have Mark Titus.
Great talk with Mark Titus.
Awesome to break down the bracket.
We talk about every team, pretty much every team.
Sleepers, who's gonna win?
Probably Gonzaga.
We break it all down.
Always fun to have him on.
We are gonna do NFL Free Agency,
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You are gonna listen to this show,
and for the first 20 minutes or so, 15 minutes,
I was living in a world where Andy Dalton
was in the Bears quarterback, and then the news broke.
So, you will find that out.
Probably 25, you'll probably say to yourself,
what are they talking about?
Andy Dalton's the Bears quarterback?
Well, guess what?
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Hey big cat, you know what date is today?
What?
Oh, it's St. Patrick's Day.
Happy Fitzpatrick's Day.
Oh!
So all those who celebrate.
Oh, there it is.
That was, it was the best night of my life last night.
And don't get me wrong.
I'm under no illusion that Ryan Fitzpatrick's gonna come in
and like immediately turn the football team
into Super Bowl contenders,
cause we already are Super Bowl contenders.
But he is the most fun quarterback
that I could have hoped for.
Besides Winston, I wanted James.
I did too.
But verbal meme, we have James at home,
James at home, Ryan Fitzpatrick.
It's the next best thing.
He makes every week fun.
No matter what happens, he's gonna have some games
where he throws for five touchdowns.
He's gonna have some games where he throws
for five interceptions.
He's gonna run over to the smallest defense
back on the field and most of all,
I'm just excited that like I get to actually root for him
as a guy that has a vested interest
and not just the Fitz magic, but he's on my team now.
Now I'm like, now I am,
I feel like I have Fitz magic inside me.
Okay, so with all that said,
do you feel a little bad that I'm just sitting here
and I'm now looking at Andy Dalton?
Yeah, you get the red rifle.
Did you see that there was a report
that the best options for the Bears
are to convince Andrew Luck to come out of retirement
or get Sam Darnold.
You got a quarterback that, yeah,
here's the only thing I'm worried about
with Washington football team getting Ryan Fitzpatrick.
I think like happens wherever Ryan Fitzpatrick goes,
they will now immediately be like,
well, we gotta draft the quarterback
just so that we can put him in front of Ryan Fitzpatrick
because that is Ryan Fitzpatrick's entire career
is he goes to a team and they're like,
well, we need someone who's ahead of him on the depth chart
because you agree Fitzpatrick,
if he's the day one starter,
he's not gonna have the same magic.
Right, absolutely.
You need him to be looking over your shoulder
or coming off the bench.
That's where we got a primer.
We got Taylor Heinecke who I think
is the ultimate Fitzpatrick primer
because he'll get in, he's got a spark,
but he's probably gonna fuck things up.
And so he's actually the perfect quarterback
to team up with Fitzpatrick
to have somebody that we give a shot, a young guy,
see what the little guys got.
He goes out there, plays well for like a game,
maybe game and a half, then he starts screwing up,
boom, Fitzmagic time to come out.
Now, how many, off the top of your head,
how many playoff games do you think Ryan Fitzpatrick
has played in?
Zero.
Yeah, zero.
Yeah, he hasn't made a playoff.
He's the best story.
Best quarterback of all time,
didn't ever make the playoffs, maybe.
Archie Manning, I think, never made the playoffs.
I think that's true.
Brandon Marshall never made the playoffs.
Yes, that's also true.
That's also true.
But I'm excited because it's like,
the best analogy I can make is,
you know that second semester
of senior year in high school,
when everything's kind of set,
you don't really care, but you have fun,
and you're like, fuck it.
That's what this entire season's gonna be for me.
Because if we go anywhere, hey, that's awesome, cool.
If not, I get to just sit on my couch and drink beers
and forget that I'm supposed to be doing work the whole time.
I'm very pumped about Fitzmagic.
Oh, breaking moves.
Oh no, this is gonna be Andy Dalton.
It's Andy Dalton.
No, it's not.
It's not bad for you.
I've actually been not going on Twitter.
Yeah, I've got Shepter.
I'm scared to go on Twitter,
because I know he's gonna do the Andy Dalton.
Shepter notifications set up here.
One of my favorite players of all time,
good friend, personal, you know, guy root for always,
LeBron James has just announced
that he's gonna become part owner of the Red Sox.
What?
Both he and Maverick Carter
each joined Fendi Sports Group as partners,
first and only black partners in FSG history.
I love it.
Hank, Hank, you are now a LeBron Stan.
We finally have our LeBron Stan on our podcast.
I mean, you have to.
Yes, you have to be.
Yeah, I do.
I think.
You love the guy.
You've always loved him.
You are bright.
Yeah.
You are LeBron through and through.
Yeah, Space Jam 2 is gonna be great.
$750 million investment.
That's not, that's not Trump change.
No, it's not.
That is not ashtray money.
It's not the, do you say ashtray?
Ashtray money.
It's not the Jay-Z net investment that he made.
It's not me and Swans.
Yes.
No.
So he's like, he's like a vocal minority owner of the team.
Right.
You can't see.
Oh, oh, word, governor.
He's a vocal minority governor of the team.
You don't know that you can't see the old word, but can't remember.
You call him a minority.
I didn't say that.
So yeah, let's go, you know, go, Barani, go.
Hopefully, hopefully this means he wants Barani to come play
for the Celtics and he can, you know, do everything here.
Just become a Boston guy.
I don't know.
I don't know.
It's crazy.
That's wild.
You're going to have to take some time to figure out exactly how to spend this.
Credit to LeBron, though, he now has the Indians, the Yankees and the Red Sox.
He should, and statistically speaking, have a good, yeah.
And have a good chance of no Liverpool.
Have a good chance of getting to the World Series and the Dodgers, I assume.
Yeah, he's probably adopted that.
Yeah, he was rooting for the Dodgers last year.
Yeah, so he's got, I mean, yeah, there's like a 15% chance
that LeBron James will, one of his teams he roots for will win the World Series.
So Hank, you are, you are fully on team LeBron.
You can't root against him.
You absolutely cannot.
Yeah, he's your owner.
He owns you, literally.
Power move by him.
I got it.
I got to commend him.
He literally, that is awesome.
The town that he like has the most beef with.
He just went and bought one of them.
I wouldn't say that LeBron's biggest beef is with Boston.
I'd say that Boston had a huge deal with LeBron.
He literally started the super team to beat the Celtics.
I think that the beef is more on your side than it is on LeBron's side.
But if you had to ask LeBron, like what city that he has
most people, it would probably be that because it was when he was young in his
career, he could not beat the Celtics.
It was like he's trying to get like go over that hump when his first
championship, who's in his way, the Celtics.
So it's like, you know, like the only other ones that could be up there,
like San Antonio, Abrax.
Yeah, like, I don't know.
Golden State, Oakland.
Yeah, but he didn't really.
Yeah, but he'd go in the state.
But yeah, he also beat them the last time.
Well, no, they played again.
Yeah, I don't know.
Also, could you have, I feel like everyone's just happy in the West Coast.
I also got to think that the Boston fans were really, for some reason,
some Boston fans haven't been the nicest to LeBron over the years.
So that's probably not you.
So that's not definitely me.
So Bill Simmons is going to have to review all of his chance.
Are you just are you just leaving me?
So am I now outnumbered?
Is it LeBron standing?
Well, you've you've you've flirted with me.
I tried to be a LeBron.
And you're not.
It's just too hard.
OK, so he makes it very difficult.
So we still have a majority on the show.
I still I respect LeBron's greatness.
You're like in the Supreme Court when there's one judge that can go either way.
Yeah, I'm at you. So it's me versus Hank.
I mean, you can go.
I'm the Joe Manchin of this podcast.
I'm a LeBron LeBron.
I'm a LeBronche, a prenuer fan.
I feel like I've lost a friend.
Like this is. No, this is great.
This is. No, this is. I feel like I've lost a friend.
I've been neutered. Yes.
You keep. This is I've been neutered.
I would say hating LeBron is probably seven percent of your personality.
Yeah, I enjoy rooting against LeBron sometimes more than rooting for my own teams.
Now it's been so hanging.
And now I can't do that.
Now it's the same thing.
What are you able to do now, though, is like you have a tremendous scapegoat
in case things go very wrong.
Yes, so the team LeBron.
Yeah, like if LeBron had well, the Red Sox ownership already sucks.
Yeah, if he had been an old word last year, like with the whole Mookie Bet
situation went down, you would have a hundred percent blamed him no matter
what the facts were.
So like that's kind of useful to have somebody to point out.
Be like, that guy's the problem.
Wild times. This is wild times.
All right. Well, that's great breaking news.
I hope he buys every team that Hank likes.
Oh, man.
Faze clan. Duke.
Duke.
Oh, it brought his in. Faze clan.
Oh, yeah, that's true.
Stop, Hank.
All right. So to go back to NFL Free Agency, so your analogy of,
you know, the end of high school, second semester, senioritis.
Senioritis.
So I'll go on an analogy for what the Bears are doing in Free Agency.
The Bears are the guy who goes out to a bar and tries to hook up with girls
and then instead just gets a big pizza and sits on his couch and be like,
I could have fucking hit that.
Like, you see that chick?
She was giving me the eyes.
I probably could have smashed, but I just wanted to have a boy's night
and eat some pizza.
Every quarterback that signs, the Bears are like, well, we talked to him.
We talked to James Winston.
We talked to Ben Rothesberger.
No, you didn't.
You had no chance.
You're fucking sitting with your fat ass on the couch eating pizza at 3 a.m.
watching like ETV and you're going to fall asleep and feel like a schmuck
in an asshole.
And that's you, Ryan Pace, Matt Nagy.
All right, Coward.
So I think I think you could also put into there like the Russell Wilson thing.
It's just a victory for them to be mentioned.
Like your buddies are like, yeah, you could have that chick.
And you're like, yeah, I know I could.
And then you go home and you jack off to porn, which is Andrew Luck.
Correct.
It's just like out there just watching film.
Yeah.
The fantasy of what you could have.
It's disgusting.
It's going to be it.
He don't know I still could get Russell Wilson.
Your problem.
Can I can I give you some advice?
No, let me give you some advice.
I'm going to threaten Shetha.
I'm going to I know that's what I'm saying.
I'm going to fucking kill you, dude, unless you do the Russell.
I'm saying I think you're going about that wrong.
I think instead of saying, do the Russell Wilson tweet,
you have to say, announce Russell Wilson to the Bears
because that presumes it's already done.
So you might be able to trick him.
No, I just want to say just announce it.
That's what I'm saying.
It's a tweet. Do the tweet.
Announce it.
That's what the kids are saying.
You got to announce it.
I will.
I don't want to say that I'll kill Adam Shetha if he doesn't do the tweet.
Good. Good.
I'm glad that you don't want to say that.
I did not say it.
If you wanted to say fucking tweet, Shefti fucking P boy, I actually feel bad.
I wouldn't kill Shefti.
I actually love them.
I feel bad for for other NFC East teams
to have to now root against Ryan Fitzpatrick.
If it was on the other foot and let's say the Philadelphia Eagles son,
Ryan Fitzpatrick, who would actually probably be the perfect fit in that
situation with Jalen Hertz to just kind of like switch them in and out going back
and forth from your tongue to your clit.
I would hate rooting against the guy.
It'd be tough for me as a football team, football fan.
To do that.
So my condolences as a Washington football team fan.
I thought you rooted for the entire NFC East.
I do. I root for the beast.
Yeah, but I'm just saying like I would not want to root in a head to head matchup.
I would not want to root against Ryan Fitzpatrick.
Hank Patriots, Belichick spending spree.
Very atypical.
People are trying to figure it out.
Do you want me to just drop this one on the time?
Timeline is pretty good.
Boston Tea Party, but just T.E.
Oh, oh, T.E.
Oh, God, because they signed Janu Smith and Hunter Henry.
The so this is genius on a macro level by Belichick simply because
he has earned the right that no matter what he does, people will be like,
well, that's genius.
So he he knows that he can just sign a bunch of people and everyone will be like,
wow, what is Belichick seeing that no one else sees?
Yeah, some people just can just say classic Belichick to everything
the Patriots do when they sound smart.
Right. And it could be smart because I do think there is an element
of what the Patriots are doing, where the cap went down.
Not a lot of teams have cap space.
You got ability to take advantage of the market.
I totally see that part.
It also could be Belichick's like, we sucked last year and Tom Brady won a
Super Bowl and I don't want that to happen again.
So I'm going to sign a bunch of dudes.
Right. And like people say, it sucks to play here.
It's not fun. We don't pay people. Boom.
Pay everyone.
I something changed this offseason, Belichick, and it might be a long
like not the exact same thing, but kind of how Nick Saban, his best friend,
switched up how he did things after he saw that he was going to get
passed by some people, Belichick saw that what was happening by not having
Tom Brady and by not spending money wasn't working.
So he's going like full in the other direction.
He's going, I'm going to spend more than anybody else.
I'm going to change things up entirely or maybe just watch like he got into
a weird YouTube rabbit hole this offseason and thinks that like money
isn't real anymore.
Well, isn't there something where it's like there's going to be a new TV deal
and once that gets signed, the caps will go way up.
So comparatively speaking, there's going to be crazier deals in the next two seasons.
So these deals that look like a lot now are going to seem not that big
after a couple of years past.
And the fact that most teams can't spend, most teams don't have money to spend
right now, they do.
So he knows that there's like a deflated market so you can get someone
for cheaper than they would be in a regular year where everyone has money.
It will also be great if you can turn Nelson Aguilar into a great wide receiver
just because Philly fans will just be like so miserable about it.
So do you think Edelman wants to stick around now?
Or do you think he, if you were to inject truth serum into Julian Edelman,
be like, where do you want to play next year?
New England or Tampa Bay?
I mean, obviously, Tampa Bay.
That's a question.
And they resign.
Gronk too.
Yeah, they were trying to resign everybody.
The, I think, Shaq Barrett.
So yeah, they are going to bring everyone back.
Playoff Lenny, there are rumors about him coming to New England.
Playoff Lenny.
I saw Seahawks as well in the mix for Playoff Lenny.
The Raiders make no sense.
They have now, like, dismantled their entire offensive line,
which is exactly what Derek Carr needs.
Yeah, this is, again, the perfect analogy for Derek Carr is what's his name?
Littlefinger from Game of Thrones.
Is it Littlefinger?
Is it?
Sick Game of Thrones.
No, who's the guy that got his dick cut off?
Reek.
Reek.
Yeah, so he's Reek.
So now John Gruden, Theon Grigio.
Yeah, so now now John Gruden is entering the phase of his career where he's like,
I'm just going to punish him because for some reason John Gruden hates Derek Carr.
He's like, I'm not going to give you any protection whatsoever and just get you
killed for a little bit.
I think the hook is going to be pretty quick for Marriota to get in next year.
I think Gruden should be, the hook should be quick for him, but it won't be.
No, I mean, he sells like 70 million dollars left.
What are the Raiders going to do next year?
They'll probably go like four and one and then finish the season six and six and ten.
Yeah, like they always do at this point with Gruden.
Other news, Jameson, New Orleans, which is huge.
I just hope he gets full starting duty and it's not like a back and forth with
Taysum Hill.
I assume he will be the starter, but it's going to be like an open competition
in the camp.
But I think based on what we've seen, James Winston is probably a better
quarterback than Taysum Hill.
I'm so excited.
I still like watching Taysum Hill just run downhill into a linebacker.
Yes, that's always fun to do.
But James, James should get that starting job.
I wish that his, his contract had been like infinity dollars for 50 years.
And one year guarantee.
All year is voidable.
Yeah, all year is voidable.
But yeah, he's I'm excited for for James to potentially get a fair shot in New
Orleans.
And then Joe Thuny went to the Chiefs.
So that's big for Patrick from my homes.
Everyone was making a big deal about obviously had to cut their fantastic
tackles, but those guys were also injured.
And I think everyone expected that.
But that that will be like if the Chiefs can figure out a way to fix their
offensive line, we'll just snap our fingers and be like, Oh, yeah.
Remember, the Chiefs are unstoppable.
Dan Orlovsky already said they're going to go undefeated next year.
Yeah.
So Dan, Dan knows 17 and oh, if he's dyslexic.
Yeah, he'll get that.
And this is a great quote.
So we are amateur capologists.
We're trying to get better at studying the cap on the show.
But the Ravens, no, we're not the Ravens general manager, Eric Dacosta, had a
very good description, I think that we might be able to learn from.
He said, at some point, if you're hungry and you have an ice cream cake, you
might eat a big piece, which leaves less ice cream cake for everyone else.
So that makes sense to me, right?
Yeah.
But then what about when, when you want to cut, when you want more ice cream cake,
you can stick your finger down someone's throat and have them throw up
some of the ice cream cake and then send them on their way.
And then people can eat that.
Yeah, you can do that.
You can get somebody else's barf.
Right.
And then import.
That's what the Bears are doing at the quarterbacks.
It has, I think we understand, like Eric Dacosta, I think we understand
how pie works, how ice cream pie.
Yeah, right.
But I think the part that everyone struggles with, actually, you know what?
I saw the perfect tweet.
Someone, someone said, I can't remember who said it, but the way to look at
every single contract in the NFL is it's a two year deal.
Every contract is a two year deal, no matter how many, how many dollars
they throw out there, how many years they throw out there, everyone just
signed the two year deal and then they can cut it.
Except for coaches.
Yeah, but that's, that's how you, if you look at every contract like that,
it all kind of makes sense.
It's a two year deal.
And then everything else after that, like they can either eat some cap and get
rid of you and get rid of you with no repercussions.
Everything is a two year deal.
Just go with that.
And it makes everything a lot easier to understand.
Just a little pro tip.
If you are looking to explain anything to us, just say it's like an ice cream
cake at the very least, we'll pretend that it makes sense.
Oh yeah.
Now I get it.
Yeah, I have totally make sense.
Yeah, absolutely.
I've definitely had an ice cream cake before.
All right, let's do hot seat, cool throne.
Then we will have our good friend, Mark Titus on the show.
By the way, we also, on Friday, we're going to have Stanford Steve with
some gambling picks.
So you got to make sure that you listen for that.
I think we'll probably drop it a little early so that people can actually get
the gambling picks and also Blake Griffin so that people can listen to the
show before the tournament starts.
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Former Cowboys quarterback Andy Dalton is signing one year, $10 million deal
with a chance to earn another three million incentives with the Chicago
Bears per sources.
$10 million one year, Andy Dalton to the Bears.
Big Cat, your instant reaction.
Wait, that actually just happened.
Literally right now.
Wait, what?
What the fuck?
Yep.
We'll fuck everything.
The bears suck.
This is just stupid.
Red rifle, baby.
God damn it.
He didn't do the rust tweet.
The orange.
Fuck that.
Cancel everything.
He's going to look good.
Hey, bears.
There's another day.
You know what?
This is all destiny because that one time I said that Andy Dalton was better
than Jay Cutler and then Jay Cutler didn't talk to me for five years.
We're going to find out.
Fuck all this.
We're going to find out.
It is going to pop with that orange.
Oh, you're right, Billy.
OK, so that actually a little behind the scenes magic.
PFT broke the Andy Dalton news to me right as I was standing up right as
we were finishing finishing the show and I had to run and jump on a phone call.
I did the phone call.
I didn't leave the office because I got even more mad.
So here is the less knee jerk, more mad reaction.
Positive vibes only, though, Big Cat.
Start out.
Say something nice about Andy Dalton.
I say this luggage once.
He's not Nick Foles.
That is correct.
I don't physically.
He's a different person than Nick Foles is.
Actually, let me I'm a counter.
He is Nick Foles.
Disagree.
Nick Foles, Nick Foles, actually, Big Cat, this could be a good thing
because I don't think they're going to start Nick.
Well, they know Nick Foles is not Andy Dalton.
OK, so they're not going to start Nick Foles.
They're going to start Andy Dalton this year.
Now, when is Nick Foles as at his very best as a backup?
Boom. But he was and then he was bad.
You got Nick Foles, a mushroom, a Mario Kart mushroom
by getting Andy Dalton on the team.
We're in the trustry.
So I'm going to tell you the worst part about this.
You actually, everyone listened to the first part of the show
where I was like, I hope we don't sign Andy Dalton.
The Bears are just like going around.
They're the guy sitting with the pizza.
I did the analogy, the coward analogy.
I did all that deep down in my like the back of my head.
I was like, I think the Bears aren't signing Andy Dalton
because they got something in the works with Russell Wilson and wrong.
Every time the Bears have the chance
to possibly do a franchise altering move, they find a way not to do it.
Every time they figure out there's a there's a chance
and maybe the Russell Wilson was never a real chance.
Sheftar reported that the Seahawks were like, we're not trading them.
So shut up to Sean Watson.
They're not taking calls. I get all that.
The Bears are just destined to never have a quarterback.
And on top of all of this, you can say to me that, OK,
the plan is not Nick Foles and Andy Dalton to be the starters all year.
They're going to draft someone.
But Nick Foles and Andy Dalton are just good enough
to keep you out of the top five of the draft.
And you know what?
Now that I've even said this, I've worked this through my brain.
It doesn't matter if the Bears have a top draft pick
because we had a top draft pick and we drafted Mr. Biskie.
Mitchell. I hate.
I hate it. It just sucks the salt.
This is sucks all the fun out of.
I don't want to be.
It's tough. I don't want to be here because this is the one signing
that you guys could make that it essentially ruins the next 10 months of your life.
And you know that it's going to happen.
Like, are you is there any part of you at all that's like Andy could do this?
I'm excited to see anything Andy Dalton does.
Yes. Yes. Big part of me. Absolutely.
I already tweeted the clip of him firing up the boys in the title.
I've told myself, hey, Andy Dalton had that year where everything worked perfectly.
The problem is the Bears now have two guys that are what we always talk about.
The everything else has to be perfect guys.
Everything else has to be perfect guys for Andy Dalton and Nick Foles to succeed.
And not everything's perfect.
The offensive line still has problems.
And guess what? If you're a defensive player, like I would be shot.
If Clueless Mack just retired, I wouldn't I wouldn't like blame him.
Yeah. If he was like, really, you're going to have to be my quarterback.
It's tough to have this to look forward to for the future. Stay woke.
I don't think that I think there's a good chance
that Russell Wilson never even wanted to leave Seattle.
He this might have all just been one giant joke on the Bears from the get go
where Russell Wilson is like, what franchises would you like to go?
I mean, we should have known it.
He's like, Russ, where do you want to go play?
And he's like, I'd like to be the quarterback for the Bears or the Jets.
I think he was just fucking with you this entire time.
He probably was. And you know what?
I was the worst part about it was I was going to.
I was literally going to become like a Jesus freak for Russell Wilson.
I was ready.
I was ready to just show up, do this podcast, say lame cliches.
You're going to suck down fake water.
And everyone would be like, what? Why did you say like, no, I just love my car.
I mean, that's how much it means.
Your summertime attire is not far away from Russ Wilson.
She gets the Hawaiian shirts, light colored jeans.
I was going to do that.
Sneakers. Yeah, I just don't look.
It's a sick fit. What do you think?
And let's just end here, because I actually am like,
this is going to ruin my night.
This is going to ruin my favorite week of the year.
Do you think Ryan Pace and Matt Nagy?
Like, do you think when they sit there, all the lights are off at a house
hall? It's just it's just Ryan Pace's office.
Matt Nagy's grabbing his suitcase or whatever the fuck he's got his clipboard.
He's walking out after a long, hard day of work, and he stops by Ryan Pace's
office and he sits down and they rehash and like, man, we're nailing this.
Like, we're fucking we're crushing this.
I think they're talking themselves into.
I think what would happen was they reached a point where they're like,
I think Russell Wilson is not going to come here.
And then they said, you know what?
We don't want we want guys that want to be here.
We want guys that want to be in Chicago.
No more Russell Wilson.
Andy Dalton, would you like $12 million?
And he was like, yes, sirs.
OK, good. He wants to be here.
That's the guy that wants to be a bear.
And so they're like, yes, we did a good job because we could have tried to keep
pursuing a guy that didn't want to be here.
And so, yeah, I think at the end of the day, they did something.
They did they they executed a transaction.
I don't like that they're making me hate Andy Dalton,
because Andy Dalton's a nice guy.
Like he's a nice guy, but I have no choice.
You the bears have made me hate nice guys like I didn't want to.
Like they just they do this.
They they they're just so incompetent and so fucking stupid.
And they're going to do a press conference tomorrow the next day and be like,
oh, well, you know, we think that Andy gives us a good shot.
When we've got a great quarterback competition, competition breeds,
you know, the the sharp the iron sharpens iron, blah, blah, blah, blah,
competition, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, fuck you, Matt Niggi, you bald fuck.
So what? And Ryan Pace, your hair is not even that good.
I actually I actually didn't mean it when I said his hair was good.
You don't you don't mean that.
No, I mean it.
What if they trade up?
Please take out what if they trade up and they do the same thing
they did to Glennon this time around?
Would you be like, yeah, that makes sense, good, whatever.
Let's just get a high pick quarterback in here.
Sure. Yeah.
If they got Matt Jones somehow, like I would be all in.
I just I have a feeling that they think this is the move.
Like this is going to be we're going to go into the season
and maybe we'll catch lightning in the bottle.
You know what they are?
They're running the bears the way I gamble.
Like maybe today I'll get hot.
Guess what? I have never gotten hot.
They're saying, hey, maybe today the signing is going to work.
It's not. It's just not.
It's tough because they got like diet
Kirk Cousins to come in.
They're looking at the Vikings and they're like, you know what?
If we can go with their model
and get getting Kirk Cousins type guy in here,
then maybe we can make the playoffs occasional.
They honestly should trade for Kirk Cousins.
They should trade for Kirk Cousins.
They should trade for Alex Smith, collect them all.
Just collect them all.
Just get all the quarterbacks
that we know can't do anything like of substance,
but are good enough to just look the part a few weeks of the year.
Yeah, get all the guys that we remember
that are on like the end of their trajectories.
Get Blaine Gabbard in there, Ryan Mallett,
all our old friends, Brandon Whedon.
All right, let's do Hot Seat Cool Throne.
I'm just sad.
All right, Hot Seat Cool Throne.
Bill, you want to start?
Yeah, Hot Seat.
Looking good. Let me see your shirt.
Let me see your shirt.
Let me. I like that was a Dantara shirt.
Yeah, I want that.
Yeah, we're going to do that.
I think what we're going to do with the Dantara shirts,
my plan for the future of the line is just like,
we're going to take all the best classic rock album covers of all time
and just incorporate Dan Campbell.
Well, I mean, we need to do Dantallica
because that is his favorite band.
We'll do Dantallica.
I want to do with Iron Maiden with the Trooper.
That's going to be sweet.
I can't wait to steal all those from the office.
Cool. Billy, you're looking good.
Thank you. Cargo.
Are you a Ravens fan today?
No. You got the Cargo Camo pants.
I like that.
We'll fix it after we'll fix it after.
Go ahead. Hot Seat, the NFL,
Bill Belichick going nuts and free agency.
Yeah, we had a point.
We didn't bring that up.
We spent a couple of hours talking about that.
Well, but anyway, he's going nuts.
He is going nuts.
So what's your take on that, Billy?
I think he just knows that, you know, he's got money to spend.
And he can absolutely
utilize free agency and utilize money to acquire players.
Yeah, which he's never really done before.
I mean, if you saw that stat that our friend Warren Sharp.
Yep. I didn't see that.
He spent like $400 million in the last 15 years
and like 150 in the last two days.
Twelve personnel. Yeah.
OK. And your cool.
My cool throne is us because spring is coming.
Yeah. Yeah. All right.
Short. Short.
Short to the back.
Yeah, Billy.
If you can't tell, Billy just walked in here from driving to work.
So that is that's a really good think on your feet.
Yeah, that was I thrive on chaos.
Yes. Yes. You thrive under chaos.
All right. Hank, you're who's back?
My hot seat is PFT commentator.
Drake released three new songs last week,
and they're now one, two and three on the billboard.
Oh, yeah, we all pay attention to that.
They're hot. They're good spotify now, Hank.
We don't listen to I'm sure they're in the top of their one, two and three
and spotify. Yeah, I don't think so.
No, I'm sure they actually are.
OK, well, a lot of people voted for Hitler, too.
So whoa, I'm just saying just because a lot of people like it.
Shit. OK.
Facts don't care about your feelings, Hank.
Also, Indiana fans hoping
Brad Stevens is coming there on the hot seat.
He officially said that he has no interest in going.
He's going.
Well, we'll talk to the Titus about this
because I'm sure he'll have some special effects.
But to me, Brad Stevens just kind of feels like the name out there
that's more fun to talk about all the time than it is.
Like the second he goes to Indiana, it's not fun anymore.
Yes. Yes, we'll never.
No one goes from the pros to the college
unless they are like shitty in the pros, which is not.
Jim Harba and basketball in basketball.
They don't do that.
But, you know, Calpari sucked, went back.
Larry Brown, Larry Brown in the pros.
Yeah, I got you.
Larry Brown sucked.
And then I think you got it.
Do you get a chip?
Yeah, but then he went to the accused.
He was Fred Huyberg sucked.
And my cool thing is UFC.
So UFC announced UFC 261 is going to be
a sold out full crowd in Jacksonville.
It's a stacked card.
It will be the first time we watch sports full crowds.
Wow. What is that?
I think a month. Oh, wow.
And people are going to jump down.
Dana White's throat about this,
but I actually agree with the location
because if you swam in that pool in Jacksonville Stadium,
you've got antibodies for every vaccine
or every disease that's ever been conjured up on planet Earth.
It was been massive all too.
By the way, the Indiana Archie Miller,
it's crazy how quickly the perfect hire becomes terrible,
but I read a report,
well, Fred Huyberg was never the perfect hire.
I read a report that it was all just basically two boosters.
One booster paid $10 million to get him out, to buy him out,
and another booster was like,
I'll pay for whatever the new coach is.
I love that about college.
But we should try and get a big booster on this show,
like how much money do you have to have to be like,
I want to pay $10 million to have a fucking basketball coach,
not be the basketball coach.
$100 million.
Boosters are essentially if you are rich enough,
you're super rich.
Like the Texas stuff too.
Yeah, but you're not rich enough to own a team yourself.
So you basically kind of own a team
by being a very influential booster,
who the second you don't like a coach,
because you can say, all right, get him out of here,
I'll pay for it.
Yeah, you can think that you own the team,
which is the best part of owning a team.
You sort of do own part of it.
Like the guy who got Archie Miller fired,
he is kind of an owner of the team,
because he essentially said, he called him up,
was like, I've seen enough of this shit,
I'm sick of it, $10 million, get him out of here.
Right, I feel like I would like to be a very,
a small booster for a program.
Like just contribute a small amount of money,
but enough for me to say like, yeah, I am a booster.
And then just go whichever way the wind blows.
So when all the big boosters want to coach out,
I can be like, yeah, I want him out too.
And then I'll get credit for kicking that guy out.
Yeah, yeah.
Having, yeah, getting to tell people
that you have the power is way better
than actually having any responsibility.
Booster life's gotta be sweet though.
It has to be sweet.
All right, PFT.
All right, my hot seat this week
is gonna be Dan Bilzerian.
Dan Bilzerian's on the hot seat,
because I've decided that I am going to get a six pack
and a beard and just take my shirt off all summer.
And I'm gonna live at the beach.
This is gonna be the summer of the beach for me.
You can't grow a beard.
Well, actually, actually.
You went with beard first?
Well, actually, Hank.
Technically, in theory, feasible.
Well, here's the thing.
You could grow your facial hair for the rest of your life
and it would look.
Nick gave me a supplement earlier today.
And the supplement, I forget what it's called.
It's called Man the Fuck Up.
So it sounds like a legit medical product.
And it's supposed to just grow facial hair
on dudes that can't grow facial hair.
I'll support anything in your endeavor
of your midlife crisis.
Thank you, yes.
Because it's been going on for a while now.
Thank you, yeah.
I'm just struggling.
Living at the beach.
Just constantly changing.
I'm gonna get a Jeep Wrangler.
Yeah, no, it's gonna be sick.
You'll get through it.
Like, eventually, you'll just be like,
hey, I am in my late 30s.
Like, oh, this is just how time works.
But not yet.
But I'm not gonna push you there.
But not yet.
Yeah, Billy.
Can one of you guys get on TRT or HGH already?
I'm, I told you I want testosterone.
I have low T.
Billy, I just told you I took a supplement
called Man the Fuck Up.
If you put something in front of me, I will take it.
Okay.
I told you I need testosterone.
I will pass myself on getting you guys testosterone.
I told you I wanted some.
TRT.
Okay.
Why'd you look in the camera?
Was it, do you have an ad?
Are you selling side ads?
No.
You definitely have a side ad.
You just looked in the camera like,
you are T.
Super male vitality clinic in Hoxah Tuckett, New Jersey.
Okay.
What's your cool throne?
My cool throne is old people.
Yeah.
Old people, because Sister Jean.
Which you are one.
Sister Jean is back.
Sister Jean is going to the tournament.
I'm not old.
I'm 36.
I'm 36 and that's fine.
But I do, I get carded every time I order here.
Yeah.
Sister Jean is going to the tournament.
So, I don't know how smart of an idea this is.
I like the fact that we're gonna get to talk
about Sister Jean more.
It's just drive.
Yeah, during, what's Sister Jean's life
gonna be like during quarantine?
It's just a drive.
She's gonna be,
I don't think she would sit in a room
watching prices right all day long.
I don't think she even has the quarantine.
You don't think so?
No, because she's a fan.
God, because it got, oh.
No, she's a fan.
She's probably going as a fan.
I think she's going with the team though.
Oh, well no, because if she hasn't gone already,
the team's already there.
Yeah, I think they just, they took her,
I think today to Indianapolis.
I mean, her life is probably quarantine.
Yeah, but she's over a hundred, right?
Like nothing has changed.
How old is Sister Jean?
She just changed the location.
She's a hundred and six.
She's a hundred and six?
She's a hundred and one.
She was born in 1919.
Damn dude.
Good for her.
That's crazy.
That's when Babe Ruth got, no, no.
The Babe Ruth what?
That was 1918, my bad.
That's crazy.
She is good for her.
Still kicking.
Good for her.
All right, my hot seat is me because
the Antifa cat is back.
The picture that looks exactly like me.
It's a bad look.
I understand it's a bad look.
Did you see Antifa cat?
Because Billy, I need you,
like buff cat exists.
That is Billy getting me testosterone
in 10 years of hard work and diet
and not eating any carbs.
Antifa cat is like four days of eating wings
which I'll do this weekend.
I will be in a scarf, I'll be Antifa cat.
That's how unfair the sliding scale is.
It didn't help that he had the exact same type of facial hair
like the beard that was maybe three days without shaving.
And just the look of despair in his eyes
that you get after an oh and eight night gamble.
After Andy Dalton.
Yeah, and that is St. Cat post and post no Russell Wilson.
Fuck.
And then I had vampire Peter Schrager next to me.
So that was interesting too.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, and then my cool throne.
I, Billy, you kind of stole it.
It is all of us because I am,
I just want to just take a moment here
and just say that I was coming into work today
and I realized March Madness really
is just the best thing of all time.
It's just the best thing of all time.
Spring coinciding with March Madness, St. Patrick's Day.
Just everything feels like it has been restored.
There's nothing like this weekend we're gonna have
and there's nothing like that first few days of spring.
We've also got a fall start, winter came back,
but the first few days of spring,
it's just, just embrace it, just enjoy it.
I did throw my phone against the wall today
because I got an alert from weather saying
snow should expect to start falling in the next 15 minutes.
I was like, fuck you, I wore shorts last week.
Yeah, no, I know, the fall start always sucks.
And then I looked at, so last night I looked at Chicago weather.
We're gonna be in Chicago this weekend from March Madness
and I pulled up the app.
I was like, maybe it'll be 60 in Chicago.
That's not how weather works, it turns out.
So, but yeah, spring is here.
Listen, this weekend's gonna be so fun.
It really is, like four days nonstop of college basketball.
I just filled myself with so much information.
I can't wait to just go against everything I'm trying to learn.
And I always like, I do, I watch and gamble
on college basketball all year long.
And I do like have a pretty good grasp of what's going on,
but it still does not matter.
I still will just, it will be Friday night,
will be a train wreck, a train wreck, but that's okay.
Have you guys noticed that the bracket industrial complex
isn't really cranking them out like they used to?
And by that I mean like the brackets
where it's like fast food brackets.
Brackets are the best.
I'm so out on those.
I'm so out on those.
I know, I'm saying like it's been done and done
every single year and they just haven't done it.
Was there a meeting?
I hope there was because I'm over it.
The only bracket I wanted to see was Billy's quarterback
bracket, which I think he finished today.
Billy?
Yeah.
So first one is Trevor Lawrence versus Sam Elger.
Okay.
And that was one seed versus the last seed.
And what's the last seed?
Same Elger.
No, but what is the number?
Does the bracket exist?
I don't think there's a mental bracket.
No, no, no, it's, it's 12.
Okay, oh, 12.
So you have 10 more quarterbacks to name right.
Wait, no, is it each region?
Yeah.
Is there's 12 in each region?
No, no, no, no.
Okay.
All right.
Actually there should just be two quarterbacks,
the one seed Trevor Lawrence and the 12 seed Sam Elger.
And then that's for the championship.
And Sam Elger.
12 total bracket.
There's a big upset.
Sam Elger upset.
Upset.
Then we have Sam Elger versus.
This bracket does just exist in Billy's brain.
I like this.
Keep going.
I still like this.
I'm back in.
Justin Fields who won his play in,
which was a playing game between.
Justin Fields and.
No, Justin Fields.
And.
Beat.
Uh-huh.
Keep going.
The NDSU kid.
Tray Lance.
Tray Lance.
And then Justin Fields beats Sam Elger.
Okay.
And he's in the championship.
First.
Wait, what happened on the other side?
We're on the other side.
Okay.
We have the Texas A&M quarterback.
Okay, Mond.
Mond.
Kellan Mond.
Yes.
Kenny Football.
And he played the.
Zach Wilson.
Yes.
I shouldn't have given you that.
Yeah.
There's no chance that's what it was.
Zach Wilson won.
Okay.
And then he played.
Mac Jones.
Mac Jones.
Okay.
Mac Jones won.
Against who?
Mac Jones had a buy.
Because he won the national championship.
Yeah.
That's totally fair.
Mac Jones plays Justin Fields and.
No, wait.
Mac Jones beat Zach Wilson?
Yes.
Okay.
So it's Mac Wilson versus.
Mac Jones versus Justin Fields in the final.
Right.
And who won?
Okay, wait, wait, wait.
Should we wait to put out the winner?
Yes.
What about Ian Book?
Did Ian Book compete?
Or did he have COVID?
Ian Book was the buy.
Ian Book, no, no, COVID.
He got COVID.
He got COVID.
He's playing in the COVID tournament.
Okay.
Against Jack Cohn.
Yes.
All right.
No, he's transferred in order name now.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Hell yeah.
Grad year.
Jackie Heisman.
Oh, man.
That was stressful.
I feel stressed out looking at you.
All right.
That was a great bracket.
I got an exam at 9 a.m. tomorrow.
I'm very stressed.
Oh, man.
It's tough.
When you're listing this and it's 9 a.m.
I can't wait for 12 hours from now.
I can't wait till you graduate college
and like figure out what excuse you're going to use
when college is gone.
Oh, I'm going to have no excuse.
Right.
But you will have an excuse because you're Billy.
No, no, no.
The excuse will be gone.
You'll be like, whoa.
How did he do so much work?
How did he do so well when he had excuses?
That's what you're going to say.
And you're going to appreciate it.
So you just graded yourself as well?
Yes.
Real talk, Billy.
That was impressive.
That was.
That's the best thing that you've done in a long time.
Thank you.
This is an awesome week.
Clip that, Liam.
I want the whole bracket out.
So people can vote on it.
We'll vote on it, right?
Yep.
There'll be an element.
100%.
If you want to make your own bracket.
In the program behind the bracket,
you did program a voting element, right?
In the coding?
No.
Well, this was through the, well,
that depends on if it was Yahoo or ESPN bracket
that you were filling out.
Billy, you have the complete bracket, right?
So you guys can make your own bracket.
I just seeded them.
Yep.
And we'll figure it out.
Just write them down, draw a bracket on here
and take a picture of it and then blog the picture.
Awesome.
OK, all right.
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I love that.
Did he ever try to put any bars over it?
I know that he raps.
He probably did.
Like, I legitimately have no idea.
When we started the podcast, I pitched an 80s hair metal
rock song as the intro.
And Kyle and Tate both looked at me like, what is this?
They're very into not that kind of stuff.
So I don't know where the song came from.
They dug it out.
I don't know if they made it or what.
Yeah, we'll take that.
It's the best.
And I think I can say this because we have met nephew Kyle
when we're out for Grit Week.
But I still just laugh about nephew Kyle having
the one shining podcast tattoo on his leg.
Not on his leg?
Yeah, it's on his leg.
Not on his arm.
It's on his forearm.
Not understanding that in the media world,
people don't just stay at companies forever.
Not everyone's related.
And so you have a job for life at one particular place.
Great tattoo.
Right.
Yeah.
But that makes us love him.
That's what, if he didn't do that sort of thing.
That's a ride or die guy.
We wouldn't love him as much.
Yeah, Hank has a goldfish on his leg.
So we can relate.
Like, we know that.
All right, let's talk some March Madness.
The biggest story about this bracket
is that next year we'll be looking at one.
And Brad Stevens will be coaching Indiana.
Let's do it.
Big Cat, you're speaking my language.
I have been very distracted this week with Brad Stevens.
I've reached the point where I no longer
know where I stand, where reality and the meme world
have come together.
It is all merged into one.
I have mean myself into believing
that this is a possible thing.
I'm watching press conferences that I'd never
cared to watch before.
I'm on message boards in ways that I never thought I would be.
Yeah, I don't know.
I'm talking myself into it.
And it doesn't matter if it's real or not.
I think it's just like the state of the world.
We're coming out of a pandemic.
We didn't have an NCAA tournament last year.
I don't see the harm in wanting to believe in something.
You know, I don't see the harm.
So his wife is actually from Indiana, right?
It's true.
Wait, but here's the harm.
PFT actually has made this point.
I agree with him.
If Brad Stevens goes to Indiana, there goes all of our jokes.
That is true.
I don't know what I don't.
I think we shut it down.
The, I mean, I don't, yeah, that's a great point.
I think I shut down my Twitter account.
Yeah, it's like, I picked up the Mandel from Trill Ballons
when he, when he left Twitter and I was like, I'll take care of
this myself, Trill, because we were both like kind of leading
the charge, but Trill was doing it better than I was.
So I kind of stepped back and then Trill got off Twitter,
obviously.
So I was like, I guess I got to keep it alive.
And yeah, yeah, Brad takes the job and it's over.
It's like Heath Ledger in the Joker circa 2008.
1997, 1997, when he says, I'm like a dog chasing an ambulance.
I don't know what I would do if I caught it or chasing a car,
whatever it is.
I'm sure John Ross and you'll clear me up on that one.
But yeah, like if he goes to Indiana, I don't think that's
going to be that fun.
It's just going to be like, oh, yeah, Brad Stevens is a coach
at Indiana now.
What do we do?
Like we just kind of look at each other like, I guess we'll go
home now.
But it will be funny to go back on Twitter and see like Trill
back in 2012, 2013, being like, I'm hearing that Brad Stevens is
going to go to Indiana.
There's going to be like all these, they already new accounts
like retweeting this guy, but holy shit, this guy had some
insight.
If I remember right, Trill's bit too is he'd always misspelled
Brad.
It would be like brand Stephens or something.
It's like, I'm hearing brand Stephens.
When it comes to the actual job at Indiana,
I think you and I might differ on this one.
I don't think that it's that great of a job.
People talk about the Indiana job like it's like you're the
king of the world once you get there.
It's the pinnacle of like, it's the best job that you can have
in America, regardless of profession.
I don't think that it's that good of a job anymore.
I see why you would think that.
I think the reason people are excited about Brad going to IU
is that, listen, I don't actually think it's going to happen,
in all honesty.
I don't think it's going to happen.
I do think there's more, it's greater than a 0% chance.
I think the people that are like, he would never do this,
they're just as stupid as guys like me that are trying to meme
it into existence.
I think it's somewhere in the middle.
If Indiana offers them like a 10-year contract to double
the salary, of course, he's going to be like, all right,
I'll think about it and then call him back and say, never mind.
But he's going to consider it, surely.
It would be stupid not to.
But the reason it gets beaten down that he's from Indiana
is because I say this as a guy who grew up in the town next
to where Brad grew up.
He was from Zionsville, I'm from Brownsburg,
they're right next to each other.
The culture of Indiana basketball just seeps into you.
And I'm talking about the university.
Whether you're a fan of IU or not, it is it.
It is like the pinnacle.
It's one of the programs.
It's like Indiana, Kentucky, I'd say North Carolina and Kansas.
Those are the four that if you grow up in those states,
you can't escape it.
You'll never escape it, whether you're a fan of it or not.
And there's almost a sense of obligation to it.
I feel guilty.
I already start thinking.
I live in LA now, obviously.
I've already started thinking.
Yeah, I don't know if you heard.
I couldn't tell from your Instagram.
I have already started thinking as a man who is not married,
who does not have kids.
I start thinking, if I have a family,
do I need to move back to Indiana
so my kids can grow up and play in Hoosier Hysteria?
And I don't know, do you feel the draw?
It's real.
So in that regard, I think Indiana
is still a great job for people from Indiana.
Now, the idea of getting a J Wright, for example,
or Tony Bennett, who didn't grow up there, that's absurd.
They're not going to leave to go back to Indiana.
But I don't know, if you grew up there,
it's one of those deals.
It's just like it's a cultural thing.
They have unlimited money, it sounds like.
The way the athletic director's talking is like,
they'll pay whatever it takes to get whoever they want.
And I don't know, the fan base is rabid.
You're always going to have great recruits.
Yeah, that's the thing.
People bring up Nebraska football.
That's kind of the analogy people seem to make
between Indiana and Nebraska.
But the state of Indiana is still pumping out five stars
every year.
So I mean, I don't know.
Yeah, I still see it as a job that everyone should want.
Maybe not, like you said, a J Wright or someone like that.
But they do have the homegrown talent.
And that's like step one to succeeding in college sports
is can you just basically show up,
do the press conference and be like, hey,
we're going to lock down the border and we'll compete.
Yeah, the analogy I would use to believe,
and there might be a slim sliver of hope
of rad going to IU is when Roy left Kansas
to go to North Carolina, where Kansas is not the Boston Celtics.
I'm not saying it's the exact same.
But Roy Williams was playing in the National Championship
game in 2003.
He had obviously a great program at Kansas.
Kansas is one of the blue bloods.
But there's something in Roy Williams that was like,
I have to go back home.
I have to do this for Dean Smith.
I have to.
And I think Indiana fans have convinced themselves
that that same thing is just ruminating a Brad Stevens mind.
Who cares if I do this in Boston?
Nothing I accomplish in my career matters
unless it happens in Indiana.
Because that's just how people in Indiana think.
It's like that's the only basketball state that matters.
And Shaka Smart's going to do the same thing with Wisconsin.
And I'm excited for that.
Absolutely.
I'm actually rooting for you.
Tony's going to do it.
Tony Bennett.
I'm rooting against Texas in the tournament,
just so I'm like, hey, maybe if he gets bounced early.
Because there was definitely some smoke around Shaka this year.
And they've had a very good year.
But I was like, maybe this could work.
And he could go to Madison.
And that would actually change everything.
If I remember right, it came on the show
at the beginning of the season.
You asked me about Texas.
And I said they were going to be,
they were high expectations.
But they were going to just flounder and end up.
The kind of like the season that they're having
is sort of what I expected.
But they got really good.
I'm starting to believe in them too.
You believe in them, Dan?
A little bit.
I do.
The only thing is they don't, they're really good.
Like when I watch them, they're really good.
That big 12 championship game, Oklahoma State
was playing unbelievable basketball.
And Texas really kind of had that in hand
for the majority of the game.
I just think that they play like good defense.
And I don't know, Shaka, like, maybe it's one of those things.
It's kind of like when you see Wichita State, who
is garbage, by the way, in the tournament.
And you say to yourself, well, Wichita State, who knows?
Shaka, something about him in a tournament setting,
you're like, yeah, you could do it.
Why not?
He's done it before, right?
That's all that matters.
Yeah.
That's a big thing with college basketball,
is if you've done it before, people believe in you.
If you've never done it, nobody believes in you.
And it's a sport where, as our friend John Rostin says,
the unexpected becomes the ordinary.
And yet, we go into every tournament,
and we're like, there's no way that this team,
there's no way Baylor could go to a Final Four.
They've never done it before.
I don't trust them.
They're going to choke.
But the last two tournaments, a 16 seed, beat a one seed.
And then Virginia won the national title,
which was never going to happen.
Because Tony Bennett's style doesn't work.
And then a tournament was canceled.
I mean, those are the last three things that have happened.
People will still say this year, there's
no way it could happen because that just doesn't ever happen.
To answer your real question about Texas,
so I think they're in that group of teams
that they don't do anything exceptional,
but they do both things OK.
So it's like, if they can just do both those OK things
a little bit better in a tournament setting, who knows?
The thing I love about Texas is they
have experienced guards who are a little crazy in a good way.
They have guys that, I was in Asheville
during the Maui Invitational, which
you want to talk about a bummer, is seeing Maui Invitational
branding all over Asheville, North Carolina.
And Texas was playing there.
And so I got up close.
And I was one of the few people in the arena
because it was a bubble situation.
And I say that to say, the Texas guards,
like Matt Coleman, Courtney Ramey especially,
they're kind of crazy.
Before the tip of every game, they're
talking to themselves and hyping themselves up
and like, I don't know how else to explain it,
but they're out of their minds in the best way
that you want a basketball player to be.
And I love that idea of them in March just going crazy.
I don't know.
It works for me.
How much stock do you put in momentum going into the tournament?
Because there's one team in particular
that I feel like all the casuals out there, of which I am not
one, it's like a perfect storm of people circulating
around this one team because they have the momentum.
That's Georgetown.
So they won the tournament, right?
They won the Big East Tournament.
And then they've got Patrick Ewing as their head coach.
They love Patrick Ewing.
They love a guy that goes back as Alma Mater.
He's their coach.
Takes the mantle from all the John Thompson's builds
on the program.
They've got a cute dog that rides a skateboard across the court.
And they've just got one of those names where like,
you remember when you hear Georgetown, you're like, yeah.
I remember when they were good, old school,
like tough, hard nose, no blood, no foul basketball.
I feel like a lot of people are doing that.
Plus, they're the 12 seeds.
So everyone also knows like 12 always beats a five.
So, but I feel like all those people are kind of way off base
when it comes to this Georgetown team
because I don't think that this Georgetown team
is actually any good at all.
No, they're not.
They're not good, but they won the Big East Tournament.
You got to give them props for that.
Yeah, if you squint enough,
the Georgetown looks like the Georgetown of old.
Patrick Ewing looks like John Thompson in the right.
You know, like it feels very similar.
The big guy, the big imposing figure on the sidelines.
The other thing we're gonna do in their favor,
they're playing Colorado, Pac-12 team.
So this is old Big East versus Pac-12.
We're gonna get like a definitive answer
on the softness of the West Coast
versus the toughness of the East Coast.
The thing that scares me about Georgetown
is that they seem, not that they shouldn't celebrate
winning the Big East Tournament,
but that seems like, that seems like,
it feels like they might be happy to be here, you know?
And it feels like they won the Big East.
That was like their crowning achievement.
This is the trophy they're gonna put in their trophy case.
I don't, when the 12-5 upsets typically happen,
the 12 is usually, it's usually a situation
like Winthrop and Villanova,
where it's a small school that's really good
and they just didn't play the hardest schedule
so they get a 12 seed.
It's not, I don't really,
I don't really love to believe in 12 seeds
that are power conference schools.
So I don't know, but I also did not think Georgetown
was gonna win a single game in the Big East Tournament.
They won four in a row.
So what the hell do I know?
And the other 12-5 that I think everyone has circles
is the Creighton UCSB,
because Creighton is the other side of like momentum,
where they've completely fallen on their face.
Obviously they had the P word that Doug McDermott dropped,
senior, Doug McDermott, senior.
Let me just throw that out there.
UCSB, everyone's picking.
I'm always worried with 12-5.
I just listened to like the 12s that everyone loves
and I'm like, how is that gonna work?
Like Creighton's gonna come out
and beat them by 100 probably.
Yeah, I don't think UCSB's gonna win.
Like UCSB's won a ton of games and they're really good.
But one of the things that's weird about this season
that's different from typical seasons,
when you look at like the mid majors
that are winning a ton of games,
they, a lot of these teams are not playing.
Mid majors typically never play awesome schedules,
but they usually like play like a handful
of like power conference teams in non-conference.
Because of COVID, there are a lot of teams,
like Colgate's the most extreme example.
They played like five teams.
And you look up and you're like,
all right, you're 14-1, you're almost undefeated.
But at the same time, like, what does this mean?
I have no idea.
There's no data points.
That's what's terrifying me about this year is like,
UCSB is a team that I would look at
under normal circumstances and say,
I might believe in you.
But this year, their schedule is really bad.
They won a lot of games, they're good.
But I don't, it would not surprise me at all
if Creighton just like blows the doors off them,
especially how good Creighton could be when they're good.
Yeah, this is not a fun time.
This is the worst part of my job.
This is by far the worst part of my job.
It's like this week trying to like predict
what's going to happen.
I don't know.
So I just want to note, when Mark says
that Colgate has played like four teams, he's not joking.
Their regular season, they played Army four times.
They played Boston University four times.
They played Holy Cross four times.
That was their entire regular season.
And then in the conference tournament,
they played BU again.
And then they added Bucknell and Loyola, Maryland.
It's the craziest schedule to look at and be like,
wait, they actually literally only played
five total teams this entire season.
So when Clark Kellogg sees him come up against Arkansas
and he starts just giggling because he can't stop
thinking about how great that game is going to be
and how up tempo it's going to be,
it's actually a pretty small sample size of defenses
that that Colgate offense has played against.
Yes, yes.
It's like, like Moses Moody is 10,000 times better
than any player Colgate has seen this season.
And sometimes that matters.
That's what's, yeah, it's never fun, like trying to figure out
what the hell is going to happen in this tournament,
but trying to stuff stuff like that out for this tournament.
Also, like trying to remember who's on,
who's coming off of a COVID pause,
who got like better in a COVID,
some teams like got better when they went on pause
and they came back and they're like somehow better.
Some teams are worse.
I can't keep track of it all.
But I don't know, I've learned a lot from Big Cat.
You've helped me a lot today.
And it's like watching you fire off your picks
and being wrong over and over and still have the courage
to step up and be like, I think this is going to happen.
It's, I cry every time I'm going down with the ship.
I cry every time I put out it's,
I have a burner person now who puts out all my picks
because I can't, I shut off the replies.
I couldn't, the negative energy was all encompassing
when people were just like, loser, loser, loser.
Like, yep, you're right.
It is, they're all losers, all.
This is, this is, this is a haters paradise this week
for, for, for college basketball media haters.
They just like, they're licking their lips,
just waiting to see brackets.
They're taking receipts left and right.
And we got to keep our head on a swivel as media types.
You know what though?
To me, it's the man in the arena speech.
Like I'm, I'm out there firing picks.
Okay. You want to tell me that afterwards,
like that was the dumbest pick ever.
I'm out there.
I'm stepping up to the plate.
I'm fucking firing off picks.
Man in the arena, put a jersey on, come meet me
and try to do better.
That's LeBron speech, right?
Yeah, LeBron actually said that.
Teddy Roosevelt stole it from LeBron afterwards.
That is by far my favorite speech
that any coach can ever give.
It's usually after they just lose.
It's just basically saying, you know what?
We're not losers cause at least we tried.
We tried hard.
It's a participation trophy,
but it's a in speech form that you give yourself.
So I always love that.
I want to get you on record about Virginia Tech
because I don't know if you saw this.
We got, we got dragged.
We got caught for an old take.
Three years.
We had three years ago about Virginia Tech
not being deserving of a 10 seed.
And so we want to get you in the boat with us.
This is actually be good.
So hopefully Virginia Tech's media department
will clip all of this once you tell us
how much they're going to lose by against Florida.
Well, this happened to me too, by the way.
Michigan State did the exact same thing to me.
Took stuff out of context, stuffed it my face, but whatever.
Like Michigan, I said on our show leading up
towards the end of the season,
the whole point I brought up on the show
was that Michigan State still had a path to the tournament.
I was like, everyone's burying all these blue bloods.
They're saying Duke's done, Kentucky's done.
At the time, North Carolina was done.
Michigan State can't make the tournament.
And I looked at their schedule and I was like,
oh my God, they're going to play like five top 10 team
seed, but whatever it was.
I was like, they have a loaded schedule down the stretch.
They're not out of it yet.
But at the same time,
I don't think they're going to be able to beat all these teams.
So whatever.
And then they clipped the part that I said,
I don't think they're going to be able to beat all these teams.
Shut up my face.
So we're all in this together.
I saw that clip.
And so everyone's like, Michigan State had a video.
You didn't say anything about it.
Michigan State's video said like work left to be done.
Virginia Tech tweeted, thanks for doubting us.
It's like, yeah, I'm going to keep doubting you guys.
You're a 10 seed.
Yeah.
But it's good for the show, though, right?
It's great.
It's great for the show.
Honestly, we do stuff like that all the time to people.
We'll probably take something that you say
way out of context in this show.
And then use that.
When he said that thing?
Well, his blood sugar was spiking, so we don't count that.
But yeah, well, we do that shit all the time.
And so I just charge you the game.
It's like, I respect what you've done here, Virginia Tech.
So wait, how much did you say they were going to lose by again?
I'm very scared.
This is a very dangerous trap, because Virginia Tech,
if they win, they're going to play Ohio State in the second round.
So this would be doubly painful for me to just be like,
Virginia Tech sucks.
Wait, I just said, Virginia Tech, you can just clip that right there.
You said that too.
Just clip that part.
Wait, that's the entire cut of this interview we're taking.
Yeah, Virginia Tech sucks.
OK, so let's talk about your Buckeyes real quick.
They just don't play defense.
They don't.
Seriously, though, do not think, I have this thought.
And you're going to disagree, and it's going to break my heart.
But I genuinely think Ohio State is the most fun team in the country,
because our offense is incredible.
We are so skilled.
We're very versatile.
Every guy can make threes and put the ball on the floor.
And we're very, very good offensively.
We play no defense.
We choke away leads.
And every game we're in seems to be close.
Like, how is that not exactly what you
won out of a March Madness team as a neutral fan?
Yeah, no, they have absolutely.
And they have the big guy who I fucking love,
who is a mid-90s reliever through and through
with the facial hair and the arm sleeve.
OK, young.
Yeah, I love him.
I agree with you that they are a fun team,
because every game is just like, they could be up 15.
They could be down 15.
At some point, it's basically like watching Mario Kart.
Like, you know if you're at 8, you'll get a lightning bolt,
and you'll be back in first soon.
Oral Roberts has a guard who leads the country in scoring
and has had multiple 40-point games this year.
That's what we play in the first round.
And I don't think we're going to lose.
Clip that part, by the way.
I don't think we're going to lose,
but I think it's going to be an awesome game that's
going to be worth watching.
And even if we win by 15, I think it's going to be fun to watch.
So that's my, I swear, we're fun to watch, whether we win or not.
I totally agree with you.
I've watched many Ohio State games this year,
and it's always been.
I mean, the Ohio State Michigan game
that they played before the Big 10 tournament
was one of the best games of the year, by far.
Like Iowa, Gonzaga, that one.
And actually, the LSU Alabama SEC Championship game
was up there as well.
Let's go other side of the spectrum of fun.
Wisconsin Badgers are just brutal.
It's rare.
Usually, I'm used to it, because it's like,
I know what the Badgers do.
The only thing that I have talked myself into
is that UNC always does have trouble with Virginia.
Wisconsin's kind of a Virginia light.
Maybe that will be, maybe Wisconsin
will hit their jump shots and turn Virginia or UNC over.
And that's how we win.
Wisconsin feels like a loveless marriage to me.
That's the way I would describe it,
is like they all are looking at each other.
They've been together for years, and they're like,
this just isn't working, but at the same time,
like let's stay together for the kids,
and let's just see this thing.
They're waiting for the kids to get out of high school,
is what they're waiting on.
And that's the end of the season.
That's going to come on Friday
when they lose to North Carolina.
And then they're like,
all right, we can all go our own ways now.
You realize your best win of the season is Loyola.
No, I know.
You beat Sister Jean.
No, no, no, no.
That's your best win of the season.
We beat Louisville.
What?
We beat Louisville, too.
Louisville almost made the tournament
the first four out in bubble.
No, you're right, though.
That's a lovely, you're actually,
that's a perfect analogy.
Like the Penn State game to even go micro on it.
The Penn State game was like having some sex
and being like, oh, this used to be fun.
And then Penn State came back and you're like,
oh, this is why we can never have sex
because we end up fighting afterwards.
Brad Davidson winning the game by calling time out
is like sticking a finger in your butt.
You're like, oh, I feel alive again.
And then you're like, oh, but at the same time,
I don't think that's enough to turn this into a tournament.
Is that to highlight, you think, Brad Davidson?
It was actually an unbelievable play by him.
Yeah, is it the best time out ever?
It was a fucking great play.
And that's the thing, like they'll do things,
like Trice will just hit a bunch of threes, you know,
or Brad Davidson will do, like, I just, you're right.
It is, I think this is why, and I still,
I'm gonna root for them.
I hope that they win.
I like, they all are nice guys,
but it does feel like something like they've been together
for too long and just doesn't work.
Like they, it should work and it doesn't work.
Yeah, it's, it's, it's the team that,
I mean, you remember last year they sucked
and then they got hot for like, at the end of the season.
This is the team that sucked.
Like overseeing is the team, the team they were all along.
Yeah.
They were playing the best basketball
in the big 10 last year in the month of February.
Like they beat the last game that I watched.
They beat Indiana at Indiana to win a share of the big 10.
And I was like, wow, watch out for them.
And then that just disappeared.
I think the most frustrating part about Wisconsin this year
is that they're not even interesting in how they're bad.
You know what I mean?
Like even when they're bad, it's not like,
I don't feel like I want to call people
and talk about what's wrong with Wisconsin.
I don't feel like, it's just, it's just like,
It's sad.
I mean, yeah.
It's just like, I don't care enough to,
I don't care enough to care.
I can, I can tell because I have like a group text message
with, with my best friends from college.
And it's like, as the season has gone along,
it's now just me and one other guy watching every game.
Like everyone's like, I got kids.
Like I'm going to opt.
Like I don't need to watch Wisconsin lose to Iowa again.
Like I'll just sit this out.
Let me know when we're in the tournament.
Mark, I want to ask you about,
I want to get you on some,
some more records for some fraud takes here.
So I'm just going to have you incriminate yourself.
If you were to give like,
All right, please do.
You can only pick from teams seated one through five.
Give me your top four fraud teams in the tournament.
Frauds one through five.
All right, let me see.
Fraud implies that, that you should be good.
It's different for beat upon.
All right.
Houston, Houston's my number one fraud.
They're 24 and three.
Two of their losses were,
one of their losses was the Wichita State.
They, they lost to East Carolina, I believe.
And they, they lost to Tulsa who,
these are very bad losses.
Houston, I don't know.
I, Houston to me is what can people think in Zaga is.
That, that's what I would say.
When you think of Gonzaga is playing nobody,
racking up a bunch of wins,
and then probably going to flame out early in the tournament,
which is not Gonzaga anymore.
That was Gonzaga 15 years ago.
That's what Houston is now.
I bet it might be good for Houston.
Maybe, maybe 15 years from now,
they'll be as good as Gonzaga is now.
I don't know.
It won't shock you.
I bet on Houston in that ECU game, they were minus 18.
It was like, it was a random,
it was like a three o'clock game on a Thursday.
It's like, God, I bet it.
But you're right.
And the good thing that Houston does
is they kick the shit out of bad teams.
Like that's, I think the, the Houston wins by 40.
And you're like, wow, Houston's incredible.
But I, okay.
So what's your second one?
So Houston, the, the one thing about Houston though,
I will say is they have a pretty,
I like their draw in the sense of like West Virginia isn't,
I liked the idea of West Virginia more than I actually
like West Virginia.
Cause it's, you hear that Bob Huggins as a team
that can make shots and you're like, oh my God,
that's unstoppable.
But then they, they don't play great defense.
And they're kind of, they've been losing a lot of games.
They should, Syracuse, San Diego, like that whole region.
I like Houston going, I don't know.
Houston might, might surprise me and go to the lead eight,
but I don't think it's cause they're good.
I still don't, I still won't think they're good.
So are you taking face Houston fans?
Are you, are you thinking Rutgers has a chance
in the second round?
I actually do.
Yeah.
Rutgers, I'm betting on Rutgers.
If Rutgers wins the second round game, I win a Bitcoin.
Let me see who else is a fraud.
We'll throw Houston out there.
Choo, choo, choo, choo, to the,
Tennessee's been a little disappointing up and down.
I think, I don't know if they're frauds,
but like they coming into the season,
I felt like they were good enough to maybe make a final four run
and they've been just kind of bluff.
They're often sucks.
Yeah. Their offense is really bad.
Their defense isn't, I mean, it's good,
but it's not like, it's not good enough to make up
for how bad their offense is.
They have potential.
Tennessee's a team that like,
you catch them on the right night,
you're like, this team could be something,
but then I don't know.
Wait, so has this season completely swung the pendulum
where now it's like, if we're re-litigating
the ChakaSmart, Rick Barnes situation,
like if you're Texas, you'd rather have ChakaSmart now?
Hmm, that's a great question.
Would you rather have, oh, I think,
I think in the end, you'd rather have ChakaSmart
because it's just like, it was just one of the,
the Rick Barnes tenure at Texas just got to a point
where I think that it was just stale.
And it was like, we don't care if we have
the exact same amount of success,
we just want to look at a different face on the sideline.
That's really where we've arrived as Texas fans.
Related to that, that's what Chaka was for them.
Relate to your sex life again, please.
Missionary, it's all missionary all the time.
And you're like, you know what,
I think we both like to look at somebody else,
maybe look at the back of your head every now and again.
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty much all.
Chaka's basically doing what, I mean, to be fair,
I mean, Rick Barnes with the final four.
So Chaka still has, he still has some work to do
to catch what Rick Barnes did there.
But yeah, I don't, I don't know.
I'm trying to think of other, other frauds.
Iowa?
Villanova's got to be up there just because
they don't have Cal and Gillespie anymore.
I don't, I don't, I don't trust Villanova
without a point guard.
I don't know.
Iowa?
Iowa's interesting.
I think I, I think I believe in Iowa.
Really?
I think they're, they're playing better defense.
I just want to believe in them.
I think if you don't pay attention,
you think Iowa is Luca Garza and a bunch
of slow white dudes that don't play defense
and just can hit, shoot set shots.
And it's kind of true, but not really anymore.
Like they play D.
I think Joe Wieskamp is going to be an NBA player.
And he's, Joe Wieskamp is basically the next
Duncan Robinson that everybody's going to look up
and be like, where did this guy come from?
And everyone that's been paying attention knows
that he does not miss.
And he's like six, eight, and he's unbelievable.
But I don't know, I could see Iowa going,
they're not going to make the final four
because they're in Gonzaga's region,
but I could see Iowa making a lead eight for sure.
I know what you're saying.
They are like a, you think like, oh, classic Iowa team.
They're not playing any defense.
They play a little bit better,
but they still don't aren't great defensively.
My problem is whenever Luca Garza and I,
I don't know if there is that, well,
USC would be that big guy and Mowgli going up
against Luca Garza.
Like I think Mowgli would, would, would eat, eat him up.
Yeah, he would, but I, but, but I think Garza,
cause part of, part of Iowa's problems down the stretch
and they're not even problems.
I mean, you look at like who they're losing to,
they're losing to Illinois and like Michigan
and you know, they're losing to great teams.
Garza is going to feast on big guys who aren't Kofi Covern
and Hunter Dickinson and like seven foot four and 300 pounds.
And just like, they're just,
they're just chest in each other all game.
You know what I mean?
Like he needs, he needs some, some undersized guys
that he can, and I know, but Mowgli's skinny.
So maybe that's good for Garza.
Maybe he'll just throw his ass into him.
You could just say Micah Potter and Nate Revers.
Go ahead.
I know that's what you wanted to say right there.
That's what I, it is.
I mean, Ohio State, they killed,
Iowa killed Ohio State and Columbus not too long ago.
We don't have any big guys and Garza was, was killing us.
So yeah, I don't know.
I do believe in Iowa and I understand why people won't want to,
but I think they, it wouldn't surprise me if you looked up
and like they are one of the last standing big 10 teams,
even though they feel like they're a level or two below
like the upper tier of the big 10, you know?
So what about Michigan?
You didn't mention Michigan under your fraud watch team,
but all the talk has been about Alabama
or it's been about Texas.
That's the Harry and Izzy's bracket,
the Harry and Izzy's region.
So with Michigan, like yeah, they're a little banged up,
but they are still one team, but no one's talking about them.
Yeah, Michigan.
I think the reason no one's talking about Michigan,
it would be Isaiah Livers, obviously,
we don't know if he's going to be,
it doesn't seem like he's going to be able to play in the tournament,
which really sucks.
Also, I think the wind has kind of been taken out of Michigan sales
the way they ended the season.
They won the big 10.
I am not putting an asterisk on the big 10,
but at the same time, I'm going out of my way to say
I'm not putting an asterisk on the big 10
because Michigan won two fewer games in Illinois.
They got their asses handed to them by Illinois,
even when Livers was playing.
They turn around and lose at Michigan State.
So there were already some like warning signs
that maybe Michigan had peaked a little too soon,
or maybe they weren't quite as good,
because you know, there was a stretch during the season
where people were talking about Michigan being better than Gonzaga.
Like you'd see people on TV, they're like,
is Michigan actually the best team in college basketball?
And I was scratching my head like,
I mean, Gonzaga is beating everybody by 20,
so I would probably say until they don't beat teams by 20,
they're probably still the best.
So Michigan's just kind of come back down to earth,
and Illinois is kind of taking that mantle
as like the hot, sexy big 10 team.
So I think that's kind of what's going on there.
I don't know. I don't know what to make of Michigan,
because they still have a really good team.
Even if Livers doesn't play a second this tournament,
they're good enough to win a national title.
It's just, they're certainly not going to be the same team
without them. So we're kind of waiting to see
what they're going to look like without them.
I think that's the problem, though.
Livers is like, their ceiling is national title with Livers.
Without them, it's a totally different.
They're still a very good team.
But like his ability to get shots,
and like he adds that element that every team needs.
I just, I think they're a totally different team
without them now.
And he's a guy that like you're not necessarily
keying on in your scouting report,
because you're focused on Hunter Dickinson
or you're focused on Franz Wagner.
I mean, Livers, it's not to say he's not one
of the best players, obviously.
But part of it is just like the trickle down effect
of like when you have like five guys that can score,
and then that gets put in suddenly,
it's like four guys that can score.
Now the defense can focus on,
they have one less guy to worry about
that you throw out there.
You're like Michigan's throwing out these other big dudes
like, you know, Johns or Austin Davis
or whatever might get more minutes.
And stuff just starts shifting around.
And then suddenly, cause like that,
that would be a lot of Livers.
Livers would get a ton of open looks just,
and you just like knock down threes.
Cause you're focused so much on Hunter Dickinson.
And now maybe the guy taking those shots
is an Isaiah Livers and it's someone, you know,
lower on the pecking order who's not as good.
And that's where it really is going to matter.
But I don't know, Michigan's still really good.
And I wouldn't be surprised, but it's, I don't know.
I gotta wait and see what happens in the first couple of games.
I got to, I got to, before I start talking myself
back into Michigan.
All right. So I've talked, I didn't really talk shit.
I just kept on bumping Gonzaga down on my top 10
just to get people talking.
I knew the whole time I was basically old take
exposing myself because I know Gonzaga is by far
and away the best team this year.
What is the like scenario where they do get knocked out?
Cause I don't, I see them going to the final four.
And I guess you could make the argument that in the final four,
if there's all, if it's four really good teams,
no like, you know, Cinderella.
Yeah, of course anyone could beat anyone.
You know, Iowa actually did play Gonzaga really well
in that game and whatever it was December.
But what is the scenario where Gonzaga gets bounced?
Or is it not, is there no scenario there?
They're going to win it.
I mean, I think they're not breaking a sweat to the elite.
And even then they're probably going to play,
you know, it looks like they're going to play Iowa or Kansas
the way if the bracket stays true to form.
They've already beat both of those teams,
beat them rather easily.
I don't know, that doesn't always necessarily mean anything
by the way.
I mean, in 2016, I think it was,
Oklahoma beat the hell out of Villanova early in the season.
They did a rematch in the final four
and Villanova beat the breaks off them.
So who the hell knows, but the way Gonzaga loses,
I mean, I'm trying to think of ways they get tripped up.
Creighton, maybe in the sweet 16,
like it's just an up and down, you know,
like they're both great offensively and Creighton,
they just match shot for shot and Gonzaga is like, we're fine.
And then they miss a couple of shots and Creighton,
because Creighton has scores.
Creighton can can can fill it up when they get hot.
So maybe, but that's not going to happen.
They don't play, Gonzaga does let their foot off
the gas defensively.
They don't have necessarily a rim protector like Drutin.
They don't have a guy that's like swatting shots.
If you can penetrate on them,
which is easier said than done, maybe that's it.
But I don't know, man, they're good.
They're very good.
And I am not a Gonzaga fan.
I'm not like trying to stick my chest out and say like,
this team's definitely going to go undefeated.
I don't care.
If they lose, it's not going to break my heart.
I just feel like it's my duty to give people a PSA
that if like, if you think Gonzaga is just like
every other Gonzaga team in your mind, you're moron.
I do think that, yeah, like this is not 2006 Gonzaga.
This isn't even 2013, 2017.
This team would beat the 2017 team.
That was two minutes away from a national title, by the way.
This team would beat them by like 10, 15 probably, I think.
Like they're so much better.
They are so, so good.
They have four, they have, this is all you need to say.
This is what you need.
This is how you would phrase it.
They had four guys that were top five at their position
in the country this year.
Before they're starting five, we're in the top,
we're on the finalist list for their position
in the country, in the entire country.
And I think two or three of them
are gonna win their award.
So it's disgusting.
They're very good.
I think it is Gonzaga versus the field.
And every time I say that, people are,
people like come back at me as though I'm a moron
and they're like, yeah, but Kentucky lost.
And I'm like, yeah, I didn't say they're not gonna lose.
Kentucky in 2015 lost.
I didn't say Gonzaga's not gonna lose.
I just...
Yeah, I agree with you though.
Gonzaga's, they're so much better than everyone.
And they do have like their bracket,
which you should do for the team
that is the number one overall seed,
should have an easier bracket.
The only team I would say that I'll throw out there,
Kansas was playing really good basketball
before they got shit down with COVID.
Now they would meet Gonzaga in the lead eight.
So it would be the unstoppable force
versus the immovable object in Kansas
playing really good basketball,
but Bill Self being in the lead eight,
which means he will pee down his leg.
But that would be the only team I could see.
I mean, I guess I'm just shitting on Iowa here,
whatever, old habits die hard.
But I do think people forgot about Kansas
and that they were playing a lot better down the stretch.
And then the COVID thing in the big 12 tournament
kind of stole that from them.
Yeah, Kansas also was victim
to all the talk about the blue bloods sucking.
And like, every time Kentucky would lose a game,
it's like Kansas and North Carolina
and everyone else would have to wear it.
Cause everyone wanted to talk about
how bad the blue bloods are.
And Kansas fans are like, no, hang on, we're not that bad.
Right.
Like we're not winning eight games this year.
We're still a decent team.
We're just not as good as we were last year.
Yeah.
In all honesty, Gonzaga,
I see them not even breaking a sweat.
So I would not be surprised if Gonzaga even has,
I mean, if this is 2018 Villanova all over again,
I wouldn't be surprised at all.
And again, I'm not telling everybody like,
it's not bravado.
That's just like, it's, I don't know.
I, everyone's been wanting to make it interesting all season.
Every time a big 10 team wins three or four games in a row,
we're like, this team could maybe challenge Gonzaga.
I don't know.
We'll see.
And then they fall off a cliff and then a new big 10 team rises up.
But yeah, they're awesome, man.
So, but here's my question to you, Dan,
as a big 10 guy, we are both big 10 guys.
Do you feel the pressure given how good the big 10 is this year?
Because this feels like a season that Gonzaga has
to win the national title or people will never shut up about it.
Like they'll say you can never,
you'll never win a national title if you don't win it this year.
I feel like the same is true of the big 10
with how often everyone talked about how dominant the big 10 is.
We have four teams in the top 10 at all times.
We had, and the whole tournament's taking place in big 10 country.
We have to win the title too, right?
Yeah.
So I guess my answer to that would be, I do feel the pressure,
but I also know at the end of the day,
if the big 10 gets eliminated in a terrible fashion,
I'll just go to my trusty tried true method of deflect and ignore.
So I'll just figure out a way to spin it, deflect and ignore,
figure out, hey, Gonzaga, oh, you know what, here we go.
They beat each other up all season.
I got one right now.
You, Gonzaga's best player, Jalen Suggs, right?
Mm-hmm.
Where's he from?
Ooh, good point.
Ha-ha, Minnesota.
Great point.
Big 10 country.
Great point.
There you go, I'm going to say this is, I do this for a living.
Like this is, that's a big 10 win.
If Gonzaga wins, that's a big 10 win.
That's just Richard, Richard Petino's fault for not getting him.
We can't be, Richard Petino's not in the big 10 anymore.
So we can't be held accountable for the fact that there was an incompetent
coach that couldn't keep Jalen Suggs in state in the big 10.
He wasn't big 10 strong.
Exactly.
So this is Richard Petino's fault.
No one else.
And guess what?
We've already rid ourselves from Richard Petino.
He's at New Mexico now.
So there is the spin zone.
Boom.
It's easy as that.
That's a great point.
I like that.
I, it just feels inevitable to me that Gonzaga is going to be a big 10 team
in the title game and I don't know what big 10 team it's going to be,
but Ohio State's on the right side of the bracket for that to happen.
So I'm crossing my fingers, but that's just, that's what we do.
We do it better in any conference in the country.
No conference in the country is as good at losing title games as big 10.
Yeah.
You know what actually is going to happen?
The real way it will happen is that Gonzaga beats Iowa in the elite eight,
beats Michigan in the final four and beats Illinois in the championship.
And it's like a clean sweep of the big 10.
And I'm sitting there like, I don't even like college basketball.
What are you guys talking about with the NBA playoffs?
I, Gonzaga, it's Gonzaga and three big 10 teams.
Yeah. The final four and Gonzaga, doesn't it?
Like Gonzaga wins both games by 20.
I was like, damn it.
So you said, you said they've got, they've got five or four players
are in the top five of their position.
How many Mr.
basketballs do they have?
That's a great point too.
How many Indiana, Mr.
basketball, how many guys who grew up playing, how many guys
won Indiana State high school basketball titles that.
Right.
I feel like everyone's a Mr.
basketball. It's like saying somebody, oh, he was a Golden Gloves fighter.
When you talk about it, everyone, everyone is also a number one recruit
of some sort, because you could do number one recruit at your position,
number one in your state, number one and whatever.
And yeah, they go around and Mr.
basketball. That's a good point. How do you, how does one record back?
Yeah. How does one win Mr.
basketball? I know a few states have it. It's like Ohio has it.
Indiana has it. There are a couple others too.
Illinois has it.
I don't know. I think you're just the best player in the state.
I think that's pretty much it.
Ready. You yeah.
Ready for this.
Jalen Suggs is looking up. He won Mr.
basketball and Mr. football.
Yeah. Yeah.
And and Richard Gino couldn't keep him in state.
That's this is a big 10 title.
This is the most big.
He's a football player.
He's the most big 10 player that's ever not played in the big 10.
I'm now rooting for Gonzaga.
I am officially a Gonzaga fan because they are part of the big 10.
Yeah. And also when Duke beat your beloved Wisconsin team in 2015,
Titus Jones is from Minnesota.
Lilo Kaphore is from Chicago.
Yep. So there you go.
That one counted for us.
Yeah. And guess what?
Spokane Washington being in the big 10 makes just as much sense
as fucking Rutgers like.
So who cares. There is a good point.
They're part of the big 10.
That's a good point.
Yeah. Go ahead.
Just I want to get you on the record for a Wednesday night pick
or for a Thursday night pick.
It's a play in Mr.
playing the playing guru Mark Titus.
Yeah. You know, you know, everything about the playing games.
So that would be a good brand, right?
Like if you were the guy that's you, that is that is that is an untapped
that that's a freebie for Jake, maybe.
Maybe March takes his brain and runs with it where he's like, I am Mr.
playing and like he just goes all the way on like the fourth.
And then he and then as soon as the playing games are over,
he wipes the sand.
She's like, have fun everybody at the rest of the tournament. I'm out.
How's your bracket?
He has a playing he has a playing bracket on as well.
He's the top of the naughty of playing my one seeds in the playing games.
You're right. Yeah.
But so, I mean, the big one is is oh, against Cronin.
It's two big games, two big names, Michigan State, UCLA.
Give us your luck on the playing game.
I like Michigan State.
I UCLA is free falling.
They were like they were pretty good a couple of months ago.
And that's not a that's never something you want to say about a team in March.
I think a lot like me and on Michigan State winning,
especially because if I don't say Michigan State is going to win
and they do win, I'll have it thrown back in my face.
So OK, UCLA fans don't care.
Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
They they UCLA's finished.
I think they're on four game losing streak.
They were ranked and then they just kind of fell off the face of the earth
and they lost like yeah.
So they've got bounced by Oregon State, who that one still is is shocking
to me, shout out to Beves.
All right. Any other like sneaky teams that you got on
circled or whatever to break down, help people fill out their bracket.
Yeah, I like Ohio.
Ohio is a team I believe in, but I'm very biased.
The head coach at OU was was an assistant in Ohio State when I was there
and he's awesome.
And they have a they have a dude, Jason Preston,
who's going to be the best player on the floor against Virginia.
I know Virginia is favored and Virginia.
Yeah, I picked that as an upset, just I thought what the hell
Virginia is coming off a COVID pause.
And I think Ohio is going to have the best player on the floor in that game.
So that's enough for me.
And I love the head coach.
So I I really like Ohio.
I'm trying to think of who else I don't know what to do with Oklahoma State
because boy, it feels like the stars are aligning for something special
that happened here with Kate Cunningham.
I don't know how much you guys have watched this dude,
but he is he is every bit as good as he was made out to be.
I really enjoyed him.
So I know they're a four seed, but that feels right.
I mean, like what was Carmelo in 2003?
Wasn't it weren't they like a three seed?
And when he took him to the title game, I can't remember, but I agree with you there,
especially because that Tennessee, Oregon State game like those Oklahoma State
should get to the sweet 16.
Uh, uh, uh, Yukon is another one.
I remember I came on the show before the season and you said pick a team
that's not that's going to win.
I try to stick and zag it.
You said, come on, have some fun, pick someone that's not ranked.
And I said, we'll keep an eye on Yukon.
It's kind of the stars are sort of aligning for Yukon as well.
Um, I wanted them to win the biggest title.
If they won the biggest title, I would have picked Yukon to win the national
championship, I think, but, uh, Creighton, Creighton got the better of them.
They had like three shots to tie the game at the end.
They all missed, but I like Yukon.
Yeah, I know that was, that was brutal.
I like Yukon's draw.
I do like Alabama.
That's not a slight against Alabama, but I like a matchup with,
but, but Maryland is going to be tough in the first round for Yukon.
So I don't know.
Like I, I'm, I'm, I'm talking myself into Yukon still having a shot here as,
as a dark horse.
I don't know.
I'm, I'm all over the place.
I really do.
Like at the end of the day, I just come back to get zagged.
I'm like, this is all, it's just a fun distraction to give Gonzaga trophy in
three weeks.
So if Gonzaga didn't exist, who would you pick?
Ooh, if Gonzaga didn't exist, who would I, who would I pick?
We could just keep doing this till we're done.
Can I say, can I say the winner?
Can I say the winner of Illinois, Oklahoma State and the sweet 16?
I would pick one of those two teams.
Whoever wins that game, if, if Gonzaga is going to lose, I think whoever wins
Illinois, Oklahoma State, I'm riding that in the sweet 16.
Do you, let me ask you this about Illinois real quick.
Cause I find myself like, you know, Billy, you have your hands on your pants.
Yeah, he does.
Okay.
I literally just caught it in the corner of my eye.
Billy was scratching his, he was scratching his penis.
Um, like it's always tough cause when you play a big 10 scheduled, you know,
you start to hate all the teams, but watching IO and Kofi Kobern play like
they're, and I've always liked Brad Underwood, but IO is so much fun to watch.
And I, I don't know.
It's just, I, this isn't even a question.
It's just fun to watch.
You find yourself being like, I don't hate them cause I, I think he's so much fun to watch.
I know.
Yeah.
That, that was the most frustrating part.
Ohio State losing the big 10 title game and over time, um, very heartbreaking loss,
watching the Buckeyes blow it down the stretch.
And I wasn't even really that mad because I was like, this is great for Illinois.
And also just Illinois, Illinois didn't win the big 10, but they felt like they should have
the other season.
So I was like, I, I can't even really be that mad.
This team's pretty likable.
The, I, I am a little worried though, big cat that like there, the, it feels almost
they, this has happened all season with the big 10 teams that happened to Ohio state.
It happened to Michigan.
It happened to Wisconsin when you guys beat Louisville.
I feel like Iowa had their moment where like, where suddenly you look up and you're like,
Oh my God, we are, we might be the best team in the country right now.
Like we, we play in the best conference.
We're kicking everyone's ass.
We are so good.
And then every single one of them falls back down to earth.
And that's what I'm worried about.
Illinois is like, you don't want to be feeling yourself too much.
And I don't know.
I don't know.
Because that, that, that's, that's bitten every other like it's, it's ruined all of it.
I'm worried about a big 10 bubble too.
I'm worried that like all these teams in the big 10 just like beat each other and we're
convinced that they're all like really good.
And I, I don't know.
The bar has been set so high for the big 10.
I don't know how we're going to top it.
We have to basically get three teams in the final four to for, or else everyone's going
to say you guys were overrated.
Just, just follow my lead.
I'll be the lead blocker.
I'll come out with spin zone.
But I like that answer.
The winner of Illinois, Oklahoma state would win if you eliminated Gonzaga.
I like that answer.
Yeah.
I also feel like if your state touches a big 10 state, then that should count as well.
Because in theory, you are a target school.
You could play in the big 10.
Right.
You're a breeding ground.
You're a breeding ground.
Yeah.
Exactly.
You're your big 10 adjacent.
You're a large 10.
Who, who do you guys, you guys fill out your brackets?
Who do you get?
Uh, I probably will take Gonzaga to, oh, Gonzaga's going to win it all.
I agree with you.
Like I don't, I just, I think they are that good.
And I do see like flaws in all the other teams.
Like we haven't even talked about Baylor and Baylor, they, they, they're a different team
after COVID than they were before.
And I don't know if they can like find what they had before COVID.
So that's a big question mark to me.
I would say, ooh, I like Illinois, but I, I'm just taking Illinois because I want to
have something different, not Gonzaga in the final.
Because that would be different.
I don't have any confidence in my picks, like in the, in the first and second rounds,
being that much better than everybody else's picks.
So I'll just be able to take Gonzaga and talk the rest of the way.
I also just like, if there's, if there's a dominant big guy, I can talk myself into like,
if that guy brings his A game every single game, he can't be stopped.
And that's, that's what Coburn is.
That sounds like a, that sounds like a Ravel tweet of like analytics of like,
actually you're better off not picking the team that everyone else is going to pick.
Don't say that.
Don't say that.
Don't say that.
Don't say that.
It's true.
No, that is, don't say that.
I mean, that's, it's basically what we've been saying the whole time, which is Gonzaga,
we all think Gonzaga is going to win.
Yeah.
But I, I'm actually, I'm saying, I know that I suck at picking the earlier games.
So I'm just going to, I want to bet on something different.
I'll put it this way.
How about the, the value is better for Illinois.
It's, they're like plus 700 to win the tournament.
So I want to make more money that way.
Here's the real question.
So first game, I believe tips off at noon, 15 on, on Friday.
So 12, 15 Eastern, I believe.
So over under a three 30 that you fire off the, well, there goes my bracket tweet.
I already did it.
I already did it right when they announced bracket.
I'm already done.
I got it out of the way.
You got to get out of the way right away.
That's the way to do it.
All right.
I have, I have one last question for you, Mark, because we, I can't believe we didn't
even throw this out there.
I actually have a team.
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We're going to put it in a little cubby and says, Mark Titus, do not touch.
So you got that.
It's good.
You're going to, you're going to put it next to the, the PMT shirt that I asked you for.
That's on the way.
That's on the way.
Don't worry about that.
That's still on the map.
Okay.
I can't believe we didn't throw this out.
I have a dark horse.
I have a dark horse team that I want to throw out there because they are technically, you know,
the Ken Palm has become the most popular guy in the world.
Everyone is on that site.
You know, it doesn't feel like 10 years ago, like, oh, I know Ken Palm.
Purdue does technically rank top 25 in offensive efficiency and defensive efficiency.
They have those two tall guys.
They basically build them in a fucking factory where it's like every year they just have a new
seven footer who's lanky and frustrates everyone's.
Uh, Purdue is like, I don't know.
I mean, we shit on Purdue.
Both of us shit on Purdue a lot, but Purdue.
Purdue is a great sleeper pick.
Purdue, uh, they, they, uh, I mean, you, you saw, if you watch the Ohio State game in the
big 10 tournament, the last game that Purdue played, uh, they're down 18 and a half time.
They, they don't give up.
They, they claw back into games.
Like they, um, they're very young and they're, they're, they're so young.
They almost like don't understand when you're out, when you're supposed to fold, you know,
like you, you have no chance of winning this game.
So stop playing, please.
Like they're like, no, we're just going to keep playing hard and look up and maybe it'll be
close in the end.
Uh, Treyvion Williams is awesome.
He's, he's a great big dude.
Uh, he's, he, they have shooters.
They have, they have guys that can go one on one.
Uh, Ivy was great.
He's, he's, he's a guy you can just throw the ball to and he's like, all right, I'll go get a bucket.
Um, and, and Matt Painter, it's weird because like Matt Painter for a long time was a guy that
like you didn't trust in the tournament and it's always interesting when, uh, narratives
kind of flip on their head.
Now, like people, I like Matt Painter is like the second best coach behind Izzo probably in the
big 10, you know, and you know what it is.
Yeah.
He basically won like a half a national title by playing Virginia, the toughest when they won
a national title.
They have that banner actually in Macchi Arena that says we played Virginia the toughest.
That, no, that's seriously, that seriously counts.
Like I think that like Bo Ryan was like, I feel like people started respecting Bo Ryan when he
played that Sean May UNC team in the elite eight, right?
Better than anyone else.
And everyone's like, oh, look at Bo Ryan.
So like a close loss can do something for your, for your street cred.
I also think he's got less sweaty over the years.
Matt Painter used to be one of like a top five college basketball sweat guy, like the old
school Gary Williams type.
And now I somehow, I don't know if I don't want to say it's like a Prince Andrews-ish,
but he stopped sweating.
He doesn't sweat anymore.
And you look more presentable and people, I think, put more thought in you.
He also, we should make the note that the whole tournament's taking place in Indiana.
So I don't know what kind of advantage Purdue's going to have there.
You have to think that the fans, whatever fans they allow in the building,
Purdue's going to tip the scales in their favor.
They got, they got, they're going to probably play Baylor in the sweet 16.
As you said, Dan Baylor has been a dominant team for most of the season,
but since they've come back, their defense hasn't been awesome.
So who knows what that's going to look like.
Purdue's a good pick.
Purdue's a good sleeper pick, I think.
It's also, we're at the point now, we're taping this on Tuesday, but we,
you basically spend all week just trying to find like, ooh, what's the team?
And you just outthink yourself.
It's like going back to the Gonzaga pick.
Like you don't have to find some crazy upset.
Maybe it's just Gonzaga's really, really good.
Maybe the big 10 is really, really good, which I have my doubts as well.
But like sometimes, you know, it's a weird season, but you just go with what,
the teams that have been consistent all year.
Yeah.
Alabama, we didn't talk much about Alabama.
And I said, Yukon, Yukon has a chance to get to Alabama.
And I like Yukon and all that, but Alabama is good enough to win a national title.
And I, you know, I think Alabama fans know that, but they have the formula as well.
They, they shoot basically nothing but threes in layups and they play unbelievable defense.
And you add all that up and that's pretty good too.
So I wanted to shout out Alabama.
I didn't, I didn't talk about them enough, but I think that's it.
I think, I think we hit the national champion somewhere in there.
I think we threw a wide net.
We talked about almost every team.
Arkansas.
I think we could clip it up.
When all those other teams come at our necks, we can at least find the one clip where we're like,
I like this team.
And then we tweet that out and we say, suck it haters.
Yeah.
You know, I would like to see that a team that wins actually like take a clip of us talking
about them be like, thank you, pardon my take.
And Mark.
Yeah.
Right.
You inspire us.
Thank you for believing in us.
Yes.
Yeah.
Arkansas.
We gotta say Arkansas.
Arkansas.
Arkansas.
Just throw that out there.
They're my sleeper team.
Yeah.
And also, uh, Kansas.
Let's just say the names.
Roku, Texas.
I truly believe in West Virginia.
Yup.
Oklahoma State.
You know, Texas Tech.
We're not even going to say.
Guys, do not be shocked.
Do not be shocked if Syracuse puts it all together and wins a few games.
Uh-huh.
Makes it the best second weekend.
Yup.
I like that.
I think, I think BYU can do it.
Yeah.
Totally.
I've long been a believer in coach Izzo as well.
BYU has, uh, one of the old Purdue guys, Matt Harms.
That's right.
It was fucking annoying as shit.
And they just rescheduled him so they don't have to play a game on Sunday.
There it is.
That's a big momentum for him.
I don't, I don't think BYU, I don't think a big essay in BYU has that guy who's
fucking annoying as shit is going to make it into BYU.
Yeah.
Fuck.
I forgot what we were doing.
I literally just got triggered by, by big Purdue guys and I couldn't,
I couldn't stick to the script.
I think Georgetown, you know, they got, they got the pedigree.
Yes.
That's right.
They're hot.
That's right.
Oh man.
Um, all right.
Well, hey, before I go, uh, Billy, I want to shout, shout out Billy.
Uh, I know this is old news in your guys's world, but, uh, I, I, for, for kicking Jose's
ass, I bought the fight.
I watched the whole fight all 10 seconds of it.
And, um, I don't know.
I, I, I, I want to admit that I bought the fight just to watch Billy die.
And, uh, I just want to eat my words and tip my cap to Billy and say,
But this is perfect because Billy and true Billy form just walked out of the room with no
explanation.
That's so good.
That's so good.
We're going to cut this part out.
So he actually, he won't listen yet.
This is, he won't listen.
He won't listen.
He won't have no idea when Billy gets a genuine compliment.
He's not here to, to receive it.
I, I literally only bought the fight because of Billy.
Like I just wanted to see whether he died.
I was like, I'm curious to see if this kid can, can go at all.
And then, uh, it's like his dad turning back to Billy.
I never tell you this, but I love you son.
Oh man.
Incredible.
Anyway.
All right.
Well, thank you, Mark.
We appreciate it.
Tyson take, go listen to it.
They go into depth about everything in college basketball.
Great time to listen.
They do everything.
So you can listen to it.
I wanted to, I wanted to plug something else before I go.
I'm hosting this three X three year tournament at the, at the, at the, at the final four.
And I'm not doing this because I want to plug it just because like, I genuinely think it's
awesome and it's fun.
And I think people should watch it.
So you've gone, Dan, you've seen it.
Yeah, it's fun.
Yeah.
All people do is Jack threes or try to dunk on each other.
And I'm, and I'm hosting that again this year.
And they, they, I don't know.
I wanted, I wanted to plug that because I think people would enjoy watching that.
So there you go.
That's coming up in a few weeks.
And it's one last time to see your favorite college players.
Ethan Hap was in it two years ago.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it is a good time.
Yeah.
Anyway.
Um, all right.
You guys are the best.
Thanks for having me.
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OK, let's wrap up the show.
We got FAQs.
I misspoke at the beginning.
I said guys on chicks.
Let's just pretend these are all from girls.
Yeah, let's pretend these are all from girls.
I also like the idea sometimes when we do something in the show
where we say we're going to do this today
and then we just don't do it.
And I imagine there's just one guy who's listening,
who's super high and just sits there staring at his phone
like he said guys on chicks and there's no guys on chicks.
Those are the lost tapes.
He like tries to fast forward to the ending.
And actually studies have shown that if you make a list of stuff
to do at the beginning of your day,
it's better for your mind, even if you don't do all of it.
So yeah, we might say that we're going to do stuff sometime.
That's just for our own mental health.
Yes.
OK.
Hank.
Why is Big Cat so bad at gambling?
And when is he going to talk himself into Wisconsin making a run
only to get crushed?
OK.
First, I'll do the second question first.
I have talked myself into Wisconsin making a run.
I actually did that this morning, taping this on Tuesday night.
I did that this morning.
I said to myself, you know what?
Roy Williams, like, he's not a good coach.
They're going to fucking turn the ball over.
They're going to win.
They're going to hit their jump shots.
So I've done that.
Yeah, I'm bad at gambling.
What do you want me to say?
Everyone's bad at gambling.
You're supposed to do it for entertainment, 1-800 game,
but if you have a problem, I don't know.
You know, I'll say this about Big Cat.
He's bad at gambling.
Yeah.
You know, some people out there like Big Cat really stinks at gambling.
And you know what?
They're right.
But he's responsibly bad at gambling.
Yeah.
And I never give up.
You are the worst responsible gambler that I know.
I'm fine with that.
Here's the thing.
I think it's way worse to be bad at gambling and pretend you're good.
That's like a terrible person to be.
Then I just tell it how it is.
Like, maybe every once in a while I'll get hot and I'll tell you I'm hot,
but we all know where this is going to end up.
It's going to be me losing.
But guess what?
I have fun.
I enjoy it.
It's my number one hobby in life.
I love it.
I'll never stop doing it.
I fucking love it.
That's it.
I would say the gambling, telling people your records,
it's a lot like height size.
So even if a guy can be six foot seven,
and the program will always say six, eight or six, nine on it.
If a guy is like, the guys you got to watch out for
are the ones who are like five foot eight,
and then they tell everybody that they're five foot 10.
It's like, that's a red flag.
Now, you on the other hand, you're like, yeah,
if I were to extrapolate to height,
you're like, I'm five eight, but in reality, you're five seven.
Right.
Which is a great person.
I'm like more like four 11.
Yeah.
I also, just as a clue to everyone,
because I do think people will sometimes be like,
oh, I found this guy is really hot.
The people who are really good at gambling,
they don't talk about it.
They don't exist out in the open.
So just know that when you get into it.
If you're telling my picks, I'm not good,
and at least I'm honest about that.
Have you considered moving the PMT studio to another location,
i.e. Miami or another spot where the cost of living
every day aren't so ridiculously high?
I know there's a lot going on at the main studio in New York City
as far as the content,
but the pandemic has shown you guys can still
push out content regardless.
Could be cool to have a secondary Barça location
somewhere warm.
Maybe in, I did not write that question.
Maybe in Situate, Massachusetts.
Yeah, you wrote that question.
Have you considered moving in?
It's cold there.
The answer is yes.
In fact, I was just having this conversation the other day
where if we were smart at the start of the COVID situation,
this year would have been perfect for us
to just not be in New York City
for like an entire calendar year.
But we were like, who knows?
Like we didn't know that we were going to be out of the office
until August or September, however long it was.
So yes, I think about it every single day of my life.
I also have a child.
Yes.
So I can't just like get out and move
for the COVID thing.
Like, hey, let's just go to Miami and bro out.
Would be tough.
Well, we could, you could Skype in to me and Hank.
Okay, got it.
Yeah.
Got it.
I thank you.
Why and how did Big Cat start clapping
to begin every show slash interview?
That was actually rundown.
Yeah.
Because Hank used to make me clap on the rundown
and then I, for some reason in my head,
it's like Pavlov's dogs where I can't start taping anything
until I clap.
And it's Hank told me, he broke my heart like three years ago.
He's like, you don't need to do that, but I still do it.
Right.
Sometimes they'll come out with the slate
and we're filming something.
They'll slate it and then the guy will walk off
and I'll clap right and I'll fucking steal his job.
Yeah.
That was it.
It was a rod corp thing.
It was like, we do the slate and then make it real good.
And then you're like, all right, three, two, one, clap.
Yeah.
I just, I have to clap.
I don't know.
Something's wrong with me.
Hey guys, hope PFT's foot is all better.
What's the worst injury anyone in the show
has suffered in the pursuit of content?
In the pursuit of content.
Buckle septum.
I think Liam was coming to work when he broke his foot.
Yeah.
Allegedly got hit by a car.
Yeah, he ran.
I think Liam ran into the car.
I don't think the car hit him.
You should see the car.
Yeah.
Billy almost died in the ring.
Thank God he survived.
That's true.
I've, it's actually really tough when you get a paper cut
and you have to blog and you have to type.
That's happened to me a few times.
I did break a rib at Demolition Derby back in the day.
What?
Yeah.
What you did?
Yes, I did.
I had a fucking broken rib.
What?
That's why I'm a rib expert, bro.
I don't remember that.
I remember that because I had a broken rib.
I broke it.
Might have been very badly bruised.
You remember Grit Week?
Like in California?
You know when you nut tapped me?
Yeah, that.
No, no.
He broke my balls.
That was not California.
That was Indy.
That's how they found.
This was on the beach.
I tried to do the worm on the beach and I broke my rib.
You did.
You did hurt yourself very badly.
I broke, no.
I literally, I went to the hospital.
Yes.
They X-rayed me.
I actually had a fractured rib trying to do the worm on the beach
because I didn't know.
Jesus.
I had never done the worm before so I was like,
fuck, it looks easy.
I'll try.
I didn't know that you land like on your legs
and then you ease your way down to your chest.
I just did a swan dive.
Yeah.
Into the hard sand.
I think I'm probably the only person
that's broke a rib doing yoga.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Probably.
Sup fellas, question for PFT.
Is your vision fucked up from wearing sunglasses all the time?
Yeah, absolutely.
100%.
That's, and I can blame everything wrong that I do
on my bad vision too.
So like, if I suck at Warzone, yeah.
My eyes suck because they're shielded from light all the time.
But yeah, absolutely.
When I take my glasses off after a show is over,
I'm pretty much walking around like I'm blind.
Do you ever worry that our ears too,
like I've talked to people in the industry
and they're like, yeah, my hearing is shot
because I've just had headphones on for,
I never thought of that.
But we're probably fucking that regard too.
That sounds like it's soft to me.
That sounds like it's soft.
Oh, all right, well then I'll name the names, Scott Pimpel.
Yeah, that's soft, Scott.
Scott doesn't even really wear earphones all the time.
Well, he did.
He used to.
He used to do radio.
Two hours a day, three hours a day.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
That might be, how old is he?
When's his birthday?
His 72.
Yeah, his birthday was last week, right?
His 72, yeah, 72.
He was born in 1919.
How did the joke of PFT being in his 20s start?
Because you're in a midlife crisis.
I'm not actually in a midlife crisis,
but I don't feel like I'm 36.
So when I turned 35, I was like, hey, no big deal.
I'm 35.
But then for some reason, when I saw the six,
I was just like, that's late 30s.
That's old.
And I don't feel old.
It started with Kevin Sifansky when we were saying he was 38.
And I was like, that's old.
And I was like, dude, we're 36.
And they're like, well, I don't feel 36.
Yeah, I honestly, I feel like I'm 28.
I really do.
Honestly, I feel I'm 28.
I'm going to let you work through it.
I'm 28.
When you said the beach house a couple weeks ago,
and you're like, I can't wait to lose my credit card
at a bar again.
Hell, yeah.
That's not something you should be doing at 36.
L-I-V-I-N.
Remember?
I'm still living, baby.
Absolutely.
Listen, you can be big, neg, captive all you want.
I'm going to be having a beach house.
I'm going to be tearing up this summer.
I'm not being negative.
I'm letting you go through it.
I'm not putting a shirt on for the entire month of July.
I didn't say I didn't.
You're going to be able to grate cheese on my belly.
I didn't say anything.
I would take a TRT.
I'm cool with you working in the XFL next year.
When you wanted to wear a cowboy hat, I was like, do it.
I didn't say a word after that.
No, no, no.
Wait.
I did not say what I.
You were an anti-cowboy hat.
Yeah.
And then I said to you, I won't say a word.
And I did not say a single word every day
when you came in the studio and then put on your cowboy hat
and then took it off and then put it back on.
I got tons of toppings left.
I didn't say a fucking word.
I did not.
I'm going to let you work through whatever you've
got to work through.
Who schedules the interviews and how do you constantly
have three solid interviews lined up week after week?
Joe Kelly and Peggy.
Wow.
Hank went straight for Peggy.
We're going to Kelly and Peggy.
Kelly's going to put out her own old takes exposed on Hank.
Yeah.
Peggy, Kelly, great guest booker.
It actually is the easiest part of our show or the part
that's gotten easiest over the course of the last five
years.
Because we used to book every single guest herself.
And then people will be like, why are these guys texting me
again?
Especially at the start.
We still do something.
I mean, like, yeah, we still do.
Probably like 75, 25.
Yeah.
Um, can you guys do an episode or at least an extended
segment where you all pretend to be, slash, mimic each other?
Like, Big Cat would be Billy.
Billy would be Jake.
Jake would be PFT.
PFT be Hank.
And Hank be Big Cat.
Something along those lines where you did the Spongebob
table read or Breaking Bad scene read with all the voices.
How does that go again?
Big Cat would be Billy.
Billy would be Jake.
Jake would be PFT.
PFT be Hank.
Hank be Big Cat.
OK.
Ready, go.
Hey, guys.
Wait, what?
Will you Jake?
Oh, god.
Wait, who are you?
I just shit myself, but I'm going to blame it on PFT.
Wait, who's Billy?
Who's Billy?
He's Jake.
Oh, my god.
That was, wow.
That was really mean.
I don't know how to do Jake.
Bro, like, literally?
Like, literally, I was in war mode.
I suck at video games and my dog always has a boner.
All right, let's go to the next question.
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Before every game retired NBA shooting guard Jason Terry,
this is too much information.
He would sleep in his opponent's shorts.
Alex Vovechkin in the Washington Capitol said
that he reportedly likes to try and have sex before and after
every game.
Jason John used to try and break hitting slumps
by wearing a golden thong to games.
What pre or post show rituals do you all have
that AWOLs may not be aware of?
The cookie.
We slap each other in the face like Marshall Henderson.
And then stand the hallway and just hit me harder.
Right as we finish.
So we finish, it varies because sometimes when it's
like super late, we won't do it.
But we all get together and we just do one quick kiss
right in the middle.
So it's like a six way, it's gotten harder
because it's six of us now.
So it's just a quick mwah.
And then we kiss and we say, see you guys tomorrow.
Yep, later buddies.
We used to play light as a feather stiff as a board
before the show too.
That was fun.
Those were the days.
Trust falls every day.
We go on.
Yeah, we go on a two week vacation every year together.
Don't even say the V word.
What are those?
What's the deal with those camps?
Like how come every business in America is like,
you know what's going to make my salespeople better?
I'm going to have them go take a zip line.
I think it's really they just they want to give everyone.
It's what's the old Rome thing?
Feed them.
What is it?
Bread and circus.
It's bread and circus.
Yeah, they basically are like, we'll just feed them
and fucking throw free drinks at their ass.
Have them do a couple of games and they'll be like,
wow, this job's really sick.
You know what's a great thing for your PR organizations?
Just strap them into a belay for three hours.
Once a year.
Uh, last one.
Two parter.
What is PFT's hair routine and will he ever cut it?
And will big cat ever have any of the PMT crew babysit little cat?
They can.
Really?
Yeah, billion.
Maybe not.
Billy.
What's the order?
Power Inc.
Yeah.
PFT won.
No, Jake might be one.
Yeah.
Jake, actually, you agree.
Yeah, I agree.
Great.
I know.
I know.
I know CPR.
That's.
Jake is one.
PFT's two.
Hank is three.
But I was thinking about it, but Hank is definitely three.
I know CPR.
Then there's a big drop off to Bubba who still can't stop
getting hit by cars.
Then there's a huge drop off to Billy.
I'm the only one who could save his life.
Billy, you would have my son getting fucked by a chicken in like 20 minutes.
True or false?
Character building.
Yeah, right.
Exactly.
Uh, what was the other part of my hair routine and will you ever cut it?
I will cut it.
I need to.
So I've actually fallen into a little bit of a rut here because it used to be
when Danny Woodhead wins a Super Bowl, I'll cut the hair.
But then Danny is unfortunately sadly no longer the NFL.
And I've been searching for the next Danny.
Danny said Quentin Nelson.
But that didn't really catch on for me because I got it.
I'm not a big Quentin Nelson guy.
I got it.
I got it.
USA wins the World Cup.
Ryan Fitzpatrick starts a playoff game.
No, that's wins a playoff.
No, it starts a playoff.
No wins wins a playoff game.
If Ryan's ever been to the playoffs.
If Ryan Fitzpatrick wins a playoff game, I will cut my hair.
How short?
Like shoulder.
Bobble.
No, you can do shoulder or ear.
Yeah, lower than don't it would be weird if you went like
actual like full cut.
Yeah, like shoulder, shoulder.
And my hair care routine is like I wash it every couple of days.
Yeah, shoulder.
Yeah.
That's about it.
I like that.
Ryan Fitzpatrick wins a playoff game for the football team.
No, I think it's, I think it's, I think you get it.
This probably is last year.
Yeah, but you get it forever.
Ryan Fitzpatrick.
You never say never with Ryan Fitzpatrick.
I'll say it with my chest.
When Ryan Fitzpatrick wins a playoff game, I will cut my hair.
I love it.
I love it.
Now we're all Ryan Fitzpatrick.
Well, actually, you know, I kind of like your long hair though.
I don't know.
Is that weird to say?
I like your hair, bro.
We have a look together.
Yeah, I like your hair.
You're an Antifa.
And I look like I'm at Woodstock.
And Hank can never shave his beard again.
Facts.
Is that it?
Seahorses are the only fish with necks.
Depending on what you think about EOS.
27, 27.
Fuck.
I gotta keep like that.
55.
It's still.
I love that qualification.
Because I do think about EOS a lot.
All the time.
Well, it's like it's the only.
I'm never not thinking about EOS.
Where's the body starting?
The neck.
It's like how if a dog wore pants, like if you were to cut off an EOS head on a guillotine,
where would it go?
Two things I think about the most in life for Ludor and EOS.
Love you guys.
I'll sit at the ends, but I'll be stolen away.
Slowly learning that life is okay.
Stay out of the way.
It's not better to be safe than sorry.
Stay on me.
Stay with me.
Oh, no.
I'll be gone.
And I'll get you.
And I'll get you.
And I'll get you.
And I'll get you.
And I'll get you.
And I'll get you.
And I'll get you.
And I'll get you.
And I'll get you.
And I'll get you.
And I'll get you.
And I'll get you.
And I'll get you.
And I'll get you.
Oh, the thing that you say is enough for just to blame on worries away.
All the things I've got to remember to shine in the way.
I'll be coming for you now anyway.
Stay with me.
Stay with me.
Oh, no.
I'll be gone.