Pardon My Take - NFL Draft With Todd McShay, Packers HC Matt LaFleur, Playoff Recaps In NHL/NBA + Listener Submitted FAQ's

Episode Date: April 23, 2025

We recap Tuesday nights playoff action via zoom, the Lakers even the series, Leafs team of destiny and the Grizzlies and Bucks look cooked(00:00:00-00:27:22). We then go back in studio to talk about an incredible Monday night including the Nuggets/Clippers series and is it getting tough to watch Jalen Brunson? Plus Ovi is unreal and playoff hockey rules(00:27:22-00:54:52). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including PFT vs Hank and Nico Harrison does another dumb press conference(00:54:52-01:12:20). Todd McShay joins the show to tell us what he's hearing from teams ahead of Thursday's draft, what the Giants are thinking, how the draft may fall, blue chippers, and guy he loves(01:12:20-02:02:23). Packers Head Coach Matt LaFleur joins the show to talk draft, what its like in the war room, throwing out a first pitch, and introducing him to the Rizzler(02:02:23-02:34:01). We finish the show with listener submitted FAQ's(02:34:01-02:47:47)You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take

Hey, pardon my take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. On today's pardon my take, we have a twofer for the people we have our good friend, Todd McShea on the show to break down the NFL draft. He's given us a little something different today. No, Jeremiah telling us what teams are thinking, how he thinks the draft may fall, what are the Giants thinking, who's going to trade up. So great interview with him. Then we also have Packers head coach, Matt LaFleur. We talked to him about draft strategy, draft war room, and maybe 10 straight minutes of us trying to explain the Rizzler to him, which there's no other podcast that's going to do that with one of the 32 head coaches in the NFL. We're going to talk NBA playoffs, NHL playoffs. We are starting on zoom, going to talk the Tuesday night games. Then we're going to talk the Monday night games back in studio together. We have hot seat, cool throne. We have listeners submitted FAQs and

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Better payouts, bigger wins, only with Pick6 from DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, April 23rd. And PFT, we had a not-so so great night of playoff hoops and hockey. Well, we had an overtime game in hockey. We did have a great Monday night, which we'll get to back in studio. But we also have a sick boy in the corner. Max is sick. If you're watching on YouTube, this is the coziest part of my take ever. If you're just looking at Max, you do look like you're snuggled

up, which is adorable. I have an immediate take about the the NBA. And I think Hank might actually agree with me on this one. I like this. Can we just stop with the Eastern Conference playoffs? Can we just not get to it? Not doing because what's happening is every team is just kind of getting fattened up to get eaten by the Celtics and a delicious snack. Like that's what's gonna happen. I'm actually being serious reversal. I know, no, I'm listen, I say

that we should respect the thunder and I would like for Hank to show a little humility. But that's just because like I can't stand when he's cocky and write about something at the same time. And he should respect the Cavs or at least pretend to respect them. But the East is just, get it out of my face. The East, there's no point in watching these games in the East because all these teams are-

What about the Cavs? Dude, the Cavs are a solid team. The Magic could be good one day. The Cavs could be a contender, but I don't think that they're contender right now. I think that they're a very good team that is going to struggle against superior talent and coaching on the Celtics, but the East in general, I'm just I don't I

don't want to watch any more Eastern Conference playoff games. I don't okay. So well, I mean the the the what about this next dude? Yeah, the business next was was some was a great game on Monday night, which again, so the, the schedule here is we're, cause we were taping a little out of order. We're going to get to the picks Pistons next. We're going to get to the clippers, nuggets, uh, OV, all that stuff back in studio. After we finished the zoom portion. Uh, I think the Pacers are good. I do. I like, I know I like, obviously I don't know. They're probably not

going to beat the Celtics. They probably won't beat the calves. Um, I think the paces are good. Like that. I think they have a ton of shooting. They play a fast pace. Like Nemheart tonight was not only that big three, which was so sick when he just, he basically put, he was basically a snake charmer. He put Yannis into a trance and then slowly backed up and hit that three in his face. But he also put Dame in hell. And I know Dame was coming back from being off for a long time. Shout out Doc Rivers for playing him 37 minutes. So funny. But I, I like, I, the paces are fun. You make a good point about what doc Rivers did tonight.

It's ironic for his name to be doc and for him to be like, Hey, this guy has blood clots. He hasn't been allowed to exercise, not just play basketball. He has not been allowed to exercise. And you know what? He's back for the first night. Yeah. We'll give him a full run.

Well, yeah, play his way back into shape. Well, so the good news for Doc Rivers is he can't blow a 3-1 lead. So that's off the table now. No, but Big Cat, you're being the fake news media right now. We should be talking about how good of a job he did building those 3-1 leads. That's true. This is a major, major fail on his part to not even get there. I also am wondering when the Bucks are going to get some help for Bobby Portis because he was awesome tonight. But yeah, this was all right.

So I do want to talk about the page, but this was about the worst day you could have as a Bucks fan because Dame comes back. You're like, all right, maybe this will be different. You don't win. You cut it close because the Pacers kind of played with their food, but it didn't. I mean, the Pacers were winning the entire game. And then you also get the report from Chris Haynes on Dan Patrick show who is a Dame insider. So I think he's like the preeminent Dame insider.

He said that he would not be shocked if Yanannis doesn't finish his career in Milwaukee and that this is a very pivotal playoff for them. And if they don't make a finals run or win the finals, there could be a big wholesale change in Milwaukee, which is, I know that there's been a lot of speculation about Yannis. It's more like the fan, like other teams being like can't wait for Yannis to leave, can't wait for Yannis to leave. This feels like one of the first times that an insider is like, hey, I'm hearing that maybe Yannis is going to leave. So it's a bad, it's a bad scene for the Bucs today.

Yeah, it is. And it's funny that there is a Dame insider, because that sounds like a job titled Nikki smokes would give himself in the 1920s. But I would also agree that it doesn't feel like it's been working even when Dame has been out there. Yeah, it's kind of a bummer because I don't think this might be one of those things where we never really get to see this version of this team played to their true like, top level that they can get to because of all the injuries and bad luck. And when Dame got there, they didn't

really gel so much right off the bat. So we might not ever know if it was destined to succeed or not because should happen. Yeah, I mean, I think last year's team, you could be like the what if with the honest getting injured. I think this year's team is just not that good and they have flaws. And I mean, like even the announcer being like so pumped for Kyle Kuzma to score, which he did. He scored 12 points tonight, which was more than the zero he scored on Sunday. I

just think on the other side of it, like I think the paces are fun. I don't, I get where your point is. Like it does feel like it's going to be Celtics calves and most likely Celtics. The Pacers are very, very fun though. They push the pace. They got three point shooters everywhere. Like, I don't know what theucks are doing defensively, just keeping Nate Smith open who I think he was, I think he, I don't know if he missed a three. He might've missed one three, but yeah, I like, I like watching the Pacers play basketball. So I don't want to, I don't want to fast forward that portion, but yeah, I could, I could be down with, with, with some of the Eastern Conference just not being...

Like the Cavs are going to sweep, the Celtics are going to sweep. I think the Pacers could even, probably went in five. But yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah. My point isn't that the Pacers are a shitty team. I just think that they're nowhere near ready to beat the Celtics on that level. They are fun. And if you're a Pacers fan, you should enjoy the hell out of it. Like this is why you watch sports is to watch a team that's young. That's putting it together that you're getting excited about. That's fun.

So yeah, enjoy it. I'm just kind of sick of the East, man. I am. The other thing though, the other one I'd push back on is I do like watching this series just because these teams actually hate each other. They actually have beef. They have history. Remember the Yanis ball like fiasco. What do you like? What was it? He like took the ball off the court. Then we had Pat Bev last year. They talk shit non-stop. Like TJ McConnell was talking shit to Bobby Portis. Uh, Hallib How Albertans talking shit to Dame nonstop. How Burton gets voted most overrated player, which basically

is the whole league being like, we hate your guts. And I actually like I liked that Rick Carlisle was like, it's a bullshit award having his back. But I like watching like these two teams. There's genuine bad blood. It's not manufactured. They really do dislike each other very much. Yeah, Lisa. It's not, it's not manufactured. They really do dislike each other very much. Yeah, Lisa, it does make it a little bit interesting and I watched and I enjoyed the

game. I was, I was hoping that there would be a couple of lead changes, uh, just to make it a little bit spicy in the fourth. But, um, in terms of the other series, I would probably say it's the most, the next pistons at times is fun. Um, but just the fact that the Pacers are kind of frenetic. And I know that we talked about their jerseys, the alternate jerseys that they're wearing. It's even doubly worse that it's like a throwback look to the era where they actually had good throwback uniforms. Right.

That's not one of them. Right. It makes no sense. It makes no sense. Hank, what's going through your head right now? Do you think that PFT is using a different tactic on you? No, I think I think he's being honest. I think I think he's seen the light.

I think the Cavs, I think he's been a little disrespectful to the Cavs. You know, they're the one seed. But I see where he's coming from. Yeah. I'm being honest. I'm not playing any games with Hank. It works out that I might be fucking with him a little bit, but that's not intentional. I'm serious.

Yeah. Max Max is so for Max. What? So Max is like the POV of like a lot of lists. There's a lot of AWLs who are, who are probably like their phone is just our POV of Max asleep. Max, you you're not in the rest of the episode because you didn't come to work today. Some people are calling it soft. We have never missed the show. What's going on right now? Are

you falling asleep? I know I'm good. I was I was it was that was an internal role of the eyes from whatever is going on about this Eastern Conference bullshit. What I didn't go in I had the stomach bug. I was awake all night last night coming out of both ends. There's nothing there's no worth feeling in the world and having a stomach bug. A lot of people are calling you Lamar Maxson. Do you have any comment on that? No, yeah, I didn't shit my pants. I may have gotten a little bit of puke in my hair at one point

because there was an emergency situation and my hair was down and I didn't have time to put it up. It's been a bad day. It's been a rough day. I've been in this like exact position for the entirety of the day. Haven't eaten at all, which is nice. I'm probably going to be skinny as fuck at the end of this. Yeah, you are. That was the first thing I texted you when you told me I was like, you're gonna get so I'm jealous of you because there's nothing better than losing like a quick eight

to 10 pounds just from liquid. And then you're like, man, I feel good. And then you just have one big meal in your fat again. That that happens every time. Me Ron might just got murdered guys. I don't know if he's ever going to recover from this. Oh, no. See how bad it was. Oh, no. See, is LeBron okay? He's he's down. Oh, no happened. It looks like I think a pinky might have hit his eye. Oh, he did actually get hit in the eye

He'll probably he'll probably be down for another five minutes. Oh Julius Randall cut that was I don't know if that was dirty But it did look a little extra. Oh, he's up. He's okay verbal meme the handshakes Max and Joel bead not showing up in the playoffs. Mmm. That's a good one. I like it. Max, why did you roll your eyes internally? What does an internal high roll even mean? Like I closed my eyes and was rolling them inside of my eye. Inside your head.

Wait, what do you disagree with? Can you even do that? I don't even remember what we were talking about. Okay, Max, what happened with the portal today? Whatever. Okay, that was your portal update. All right, the Grizzlies. The one series that we can all agree just needs to be over is the Grizzlies Thunder.

This is Men vs. Boys. The thunder's defense is so fucking good. They had Chad Holmgren out there blocking shots with when they're up 20 with like 40 seconds left just because he could. It's not even, they could play this, they could play a hundred games. And I honestly, I would say if you told me they were going to play a hundred games and the line was set at the thunder winning turn injuries off the thunder winning 92 and a half over 92 and over under 92 and a half. I would take the over way over. Yeah. That's how that's how much that's how lopsided. I might take it over if it was 99 and a half. Yeah. 100 times out of a hundred Yeah. Well, now you're leaving yourself open. If for some reason the Grizzlies win one

game, you're wrong. No, not against not against this Thunder team, not against not against this Thunder team. You know what? I think it's 98 and a half and I'm going to take the over. Yeah, it's just a not. It's not a real series. It's they need to they need to just move on with it. By the way, did you see because we are big ratings guys. Did you see the NBA had its highest ratings in 25 years for opening weekend to playoffs or not? I didn't see what the biggest game was

was it was it Celtics magic? I'm always interested in that part of it. That was like it was Celtics Magic. I just saw that it was up. I didn't realize. Okay. So are you confirming it was Celtics Magic? I think I saw that earlier, but the ratings in general, that's great. It's great for the league. Yeah. All right. And should we, like, I don't really know. I feel like the thunder, we listen, I like watching this thunder team there. Al Scruso, by the way, our guy, just some menace. He was everywhere tonight.

He just was in every single play, just rebounding, just every, just a pest. The thunder are like, we should just, we should just tell everyone right now, we're not gonna talk about the thunder or Grizzzzlies until or the thunder until the next round. Like let's just close this series out. Let's just say it's over right. Yeah I would agree with that. Let's just fast forward to the finals. We all it's it's Celtics thunder like there's no other there's no other way.

Okay I just want I just wanted to get it clear because I didn't want thunder fans to be like why aren't you talking about the word we're already we're already putting you in the next round. That's how good you guys are. You're in the next round. We will discuss when you get to your next round. Big cat. Did you hear that? The Thunder put you on the jumbotron tonight. What? Saying, where the shirt. Oh, really? Do you have the clip? I don't have a clip of it. Somebody just tweeted at me and said Big Cat was just on the Jumbotron before the game telling fans to put the shirt on and the shirt guy was he was sticking out.

He was he was like neon colored tonight, not wearing a shirt. Harden signed through the shirt on him and was like put it on and he didn't put it on. Crazy. I need that clip. If the Thunder, if anyone from the Thunder is listening, I need the Jumbo Chunk. That's awesome. I'm fully supportive of the Thunder. I've said it before. I mean, Alex Crusoe and Lou Dorda are like,

probably two of my top 10 favorite players in the NBA. I do want to hear the Thunder fans' explanation for why. I want to hear his reasoning behind it because he might have a good reason. I don't know. We still might get them on. I don't know. We got to figure that out.

Um, all right. Uh, the Lakers are, are going to win this game, right? There's three minutes left. Oh, they showed a rod. Uh, let's talk hockey and then we'll, we'll, we'll see what happens at the end of this game leaves team of destiny. It feels like they might be. It feels like overtime goal. this might be the year for our

friends up in Toronto. Yeah, that was a sick overtime goal. The devil should just be out. The devils are the Grizzlies. Yeah. Same thing. Just go to the next round hurricanes and I'm actually shot. I mean the the wild right now are kicking the shit out of the nights. That is where hockey is like better than the NBA in terms of playoffs is like the nights are a better team than the a significantly better team in the wild and the wilder shit pumping them right now. Yeah, I mean, the clock

central star times insane. Yeah, it even got moved back to 10 o'clock central, start times insane. Yeah. It even got moved back too. Yeah, yeah. That's what, remember that year, I think it was last year that I bet the Oilers, oh no, it was two years ago, I bet the Oilers were still living in New York.

And I was like, it almost killed me. Because I was like, I can't, I don't know how I can watch these games, it's on way too late. So yeah. Big Cat, I know we're gonna talk about the caps in a second. Did you see the teeth? No. So Alex Alexi, if he got he got hit in the face by a stick, it was inadvertent. They called it a four minute penalty

at the time and they took it off because it was on a follow through but he got hit in the mouth by a stick. He lost two of his front teeth on the ice. And they found the teeth. And of course, because the the ice crew found the teeth, they took a picture of it. And they put up online. These are some gnarly ass teeth. They look like shark teeth. I tweeted out a second ago. But apparently he needs like full facial reconstruction dental surgery. And he's like, you know what? I'll do it after the playoffs.

Fuck it. I love this to max. See if he can puke again. Oh shit. Yeah. Right. You know what? You know what?

Lucy's teeth don't get enough credit for being as big as they are. Yeah. They're like, yeah, they're icebergs. Yeah. They're like, they're, they're crazy. When you take a tooth, this is a front tooth to front teeth, like a fang ice. Yeah, icebergs. Yeah, they're like, they're, they're crazy when you take a tooth. This is a front tooth. Two front teeth. Like a fang.

Nuts. Yeah, it's a canine tooth. He's Russian. He might be part wolf. Max, what would make you puke right now? What visual? No visuals. Why do you guys want me to puke? It would be great for numbers. No one would. Yeah, he's gonna drown. He's gonna drown. The way this guy's drinking right now. He's gonna drown. He's not even lifting his head. Memes. How many numbers would this clip do if Max just puked during the show? He just started puking on himself. It would

rip. We had to call the police and be like, someone get to his house right now and put him on his side so he doesn't Jimi Hendrix himself. I mean, okay, he's good. If you die during the show, it would be tremendous for the ratings. Incredible. Oh, man. All right. Do we have anything else? I know this has nothing to do with the NBA or NHL. Oh, I have two topics that don't. The Cubs are just one of the most exciting teams. They just play awesome games every night. They had a home run with one out left in the bottom of the night to go to extras and then win against the Dodgers. Fun to beat the Dodgers. They're very fun to watch. I don't know if it's sustainable to win every game, like 11 to 10, but we're going to find out and then we should say the Pope passed away on Monday after we recorded on Sunday night. And we are we as officially as a podcast, are we

all down to officially endorsed pizza Bala? I think that should be our pick. Well, I like him. But again, I go back to the fact that having a fat Pope would be great for the vibes. It would. I would love to see again, pure Batista pizza Bala. Yeah, it's a good name It is his name, but he but big guy that's short-sighted because when you become Pope you take on a new pope name Yeah, but we'll always know we'll always know him as Pope pizza Bala. You'll forget he'll be like, I'm Pope innocent the 17th It's not gonna be Pizza Bala to Pope calzone. He's like, my new name is Calzone.

I would respect that. I would respect that a lot. Yeah, I would like to see a fat Pope. Also if you're, if you're the Pope, it must be a real letdown to die right after Easter. Because if you die on Easter as the Pope, that's some pizzazz. That's some flair. That is a one way ticket to sainthood. Right? Like that is that is all it's like when I think Thomas Jefferson didn't he die on the Fourth of July? I think so. Yeah, pretty cool thing. If you're the Pope and you die on Easter. You're like that's that's a legacy move right there. Yeah. Yeah. And he missed it by like a

couple hours, right? Yeah. And apparently, our Vice President JD Vance was the last person to see the pope alive wearing a yellow tie. Interesting. What is that? No idea. But you know, like Twitter works now where people be like, look, like, what do you see? And it's just a video. And I just stared at it for 20 minutes. I'm like, I don't know what I see. I saw one that was like, interesting that JD Vance was wearing a yellow tie when he met the Pope. It's like, what is this supposed to mean? Or that the last two sitting Popes to die? What was like the before the two world wars? Yeah, it was 1914 and 1939. Is that true? I don't know. I don't. It can be. It can't be the last two sitting Popes. Like

what happened to the other Popes? They just they retired and then they then they died Well, I that one pope the Nazi pope left Yeah, right. Yeah, and he just bounce. Yeah, he they got him out the paint Hold on. I'm looking up the fact that I think this was just a meme that Hank saw because I saw that No, yeah, no, I saw one thing It was yeah, I wasn't gonna say it to you said the yellow tie thing But well, I mean just I wasn't going to say it to you, so the yellow tie thing, but. Well, I mean, just, I mean, you have to, you have to realize he was wearing a yellow tie. Pope dies 1914, World War I started, Pope dies 1939, World War II started. But where's the, me being informed that sitting popes also died in 1914 and 1939, but there

have been other popes that have died in between, right? I would think so. Yeah. Based off how you just said that, like, it's true. That dude, John Paul died. John Paul II. Okay, I'm looking at it. I forget.

I'm looking at the facts real quick. By the way, the Lakers have won. Luka was awesome tonight. This is just, the West does feel like outside of the Grizzlies, uh, thunder series, it's going to be a war. Those other, other three series. And it's going to be great. And it just, it felt like this is like the, the losing game one at home. That's why I'm going to take the, here's a free pick for everyone. Draft Kings. Uh, I'm going to take the rockets.

I'm going to take the Rockets. I'm gonna take the Rockets tonight because I just if you lose game one at home and your equal team I think you're I think you're you're probably win game two at home because you have a little more of a you know a little more drive. I feel like there's something mentally where if you if you win game one on the road you're not that they're not going to try the warriors, but mission accomplished. Yeah. You know, that's what you say at the beginning of every like two games. We got to get a split. Yeah. Still home court. Also, if you're the Rockets game two kind of feels like a game seven. Yeah, agreed. Uh, all right. So John Paul, the second he died in 2005. So was he not the

pope then when he died? Recession? I don't know. I don't know. John Paul, the first died in 1978. So I don't like I feel like popes die a decent amount because they don't don't when they make the popes they they always it's never like a young pope. No, you got to be old. I feel like you have to be a Netflix show in your 50s. Oh, is it actually Oh, yeah, it is actually. All right. Any other thoughts on the I think the Lakers was going to be a six or seven game series. And I expected the Lakers

to win tonight. And I expected what we saw. I mean, Luca is was the best player and is the best player on the court when he wants to be. And LeBron is still like LeBron still really, really good. I mean, he went for 21 11 and seven. Like he's if they can if they can get a little bit from they got a little bit from Rui they got awesome Reeves and that's enough. Mm hmm. I do have a Monday reading. That's okay. Okay. It's a it's a tweet from Kanye West. Oh, no, I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not to do it. But the thought did cross my mind when I saw it. Like I already put something in the drafts for a banger week one. How are you getting ready for NFL Sunday with the Falcons cousins? Phoenix? He might not be on them. You might not be on it for PFTs. Keep them Atlanta. Yeah, come on. Do the right

thing. All right. We're going to kick it to ourselves where we're going to talk Monday night's games, which were a lot more exciting. And then we have Tom McShea on the show. We have Matt LaFleur. I said it at the opening of the show, but you will not find another podcast or media entity that will spend 10 of the 30 minutes interviewing an NFL head coach trying to explain to him who the Rizzler is. That's a guarantee. That's that is where it devolved with Matt LaFleur.

And then we'll finish with listener FAQs and hopefully Max will be back in studio on Thursday for the NFL draft. Yep. I'll be back Thursday. Okay, we're back in studio. We're going to talk a little Monday night games. We're going to start with the Knicks and the Pistons. I want to start with the Pistons PFT and congratulate Pistons fans. They had a 15 game losing streak in the playoffs. They had not won

a playoff game in 17 years. May 2008. May 2008. It is, I know that obviously the series is only 1-1, uh, you know, there's a lot of basketball left in this series and they're probably not going to win the title this year, but you got to celebrate these moments because Cade Cunningham was phenomenal and he's a real dude. And that was like the moment where it's like, Hey, this is all last year. Remember this team last year lost 28 games in a row. They lost 28 games in a row. They started the season last year, two in one. They went two and 29 to two and 29 to three and 36. They finished last season with 14 wins. They are now they, they won 44 games this year.

They're in the playoffs. They just took a young team with a young star and Cade Cunningham into Madison square garden and almost won both games, but decisively one game, not decisive, but they won game two. This is something that Pistons fans should enjoy and, and revel in and be like, yes, like it is now trending towards the right way. All of Detroit sports by the way, besides the red wings, like think about it. The lions have been bad forever. They've, they've obviously the last few years have, have been really good. The tigers were bad for a really long time. They've been good. And now the pistons and Michigan football beat Ohio state. Yeah. So it's, it's, it's cool for Pistons fans. Uh, that's a moment

that you're like, Hey, the monkeys off our back. I mean, that's a crazy losing. I think it was the longest losing streak in NBA history. Yeah. So that 2007, 2008 Pistons team, that was like the end of the bad boy era, the bad boy part two era. I think they won their first game then got gentlemen's sweat. Yeah. So that was. I think that was the 23 points in the fourth quarter. LeBron. That's when LeBron killed them. Yeah. So that was, I think that was the 23 points in the fourth quarter. LeBron. That's when LeBron, when LeBron killed them. Yeah. Yeah. So that was, I think it was Rashid Chauncey rip and Tayshon. I don't think Ben Wallace was a bit. Well, it's came to the bulls. Yeah. Put a big, uh, but that's how long it's been. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. So it's, I'm happy for

Pistons fans that they, they moment especially you know we saw it last year when you're when you're a smaller market going up against the Knicks in the playoffs and stories gonna be about the Knicks they went in there won that game. Yeah let's see what I think. I think they had won since their last series when. Okay so they won. So that year they had won two series and then they lost in the conference finals to the uh to the to the cabron and then that was it yeah oh no they lost in the the conference finals to the celtics so the yeah i think lebron was earlier than that that was a great series though when it was like lebron and then nobody against the pistons yeah but i i'm happy for Pistons fans. Cade Cunningham is awesome. 33 and 12.

He was great. Tobias Harris has been great. Dennis Schroeder, that was like that three that he made because that felt like the Pistons were going to lose that game in a similar fashion to the game one where it's like they played really well for three quarters and they just couldn't hold on to it. They couldn't hit a shot for like three minutes and then a shorter hits that shot. And he's, I mean, he was like a very calming, you know, he's a veteran. He's been on a million teams, but he's, he's, he's seen some of these moments bet on himself, bet on himself. And yeah, it was, it was cool. And people, Paul shout out people, Paul, our guy, people, Paul had a nice put back. He had six points. So the pistons are fun. The end of this game was, it was very, very

close at the end. And that Schroeder three made, made all the difference. Uh, and then watching, I didn't watch all the game cause my eyes were mostly focused on the caps, but watching the highlights of this game, they showed Jalen Brunson highlights from the game. I don't think you can call them highlights. Yeah. I don't think I don't, what they showed from that game was like four different plays where he does the insurance fraud. Yeah. Where he't think I don't. What they showed from that game was like four different plays where he does the insurance fraud. Yeah. Where he's in front of you in traffic slams

on the brakes. You run into you're like, what the hell? And then he's like, Oh yeah, I got to file a claim. Sorry. You hit me. Yep. The, all right. So yeah, I have, I have a take. I was brewing last night that obviously I understand how this works. Nick's fans, you have to defend your guy and Jillian Bronsson is really good. Yeah. So, so Nick's fans, you, you can be like, you're an idiot. You don't know what you're talking about. Fuck you. All of it. I understand how it works. I personally, I like Jalen Brunson as a player. I like, I mean, I loved watching the Villanova. Uh, he's a phenomenal basketball player. The foul baiting has gotten to a point where it's just hard to watch and it's not just

the foul baiting and this part is less Jalen Brunson and more probably Tibbs who I feel like hots big time hot seat. This might be the end for him. Uh, the, the Knicks in this fourth quarter, they just go to straight ISO ball foul baiting. No one else touches the ball. Jalen Brunson just trying to score and it's, it's bad basketball to watch. So from what I've seen, Nick's fans, they tend to agree in games that they lose Yeah. In games that they win, they're like, well, it works. It's winning basketball.

But when they lose, I think even they're like, come on, man, let's have some watchable basketball. Right. And, and, and, and by the way, uh, because I know I saw this, it is not just Jalen Brunson. SGA does it a lot. James Harden was the king of it. He invented it. Chris Paul. Like there are guys who do the foul baiting. And if you want to say- Jokas was flopping last night too? Yeah. If you want to say, well, that's an officiating problem, I would agree with you. Like there was, remember there was that like two week stretch where they were like, Hey,

we're going to stop letting guys jump into each to another guy and not even try to attempt the shot. They called it for like two weeks and they stopped calling it. If they started calling those again, I think it would probably fix itself. But as it stands right now, I do not enjoy watching Jalen Brunson play basketball. And that's just a personal opinion of mine. It doesn't mean that he's not a good player. He's a phenomenal player. I just don't like watching it because it's not fun. And it's, it's, it's him. I so isolation, uh, doing the stop and start kind of jumping into people and it's not a great watch. He'll jump in front of you. They need to implement something that's similar to, to like the charge rule. Yeah. We're like Jalen Bronson. If he gets

in front of you, he has to have established position and you have to have time to avoid him. Yeah. Instead of like just hitting two feet, stopping, getting the ball and having the guy barely clip you on the back and fall down. Yeah. And it was, it was a game that was so it's not all on Jalen Bronson. I think the coaching for the Knicks was really bad in the fourth quarter. Carl Anthony Towns, and now Carl Anthony Towns is someone that has had disappearing acts in the playoffs. I actually don't know if this one was 100% on him. He took his last shot with 520 to go in the third quarter. They just didn't run anything for him.

I think I saw, I gotta find the stat, I think Jalen Brunson passed it to him 12 times total Uh, which is pretty shocking when you like Carl Anthony Towns whatever you want to say about the guy He is a like elite offensive player and he's one of the best big man shooters of all time And yeah, here it is. Uh Over the first two games of the series bro. Oh, it's the first two games Brunson has passed the ball to town to total of 12 times, 12 times. I don't understand how you're not running Jalen Brunson in, in Carl Anthony towns and pick and roll. And I know Carl Anthony towns has

had moments where he's been soft or he hasn't like pushed the action last night watching that game. I don't think that was a hundred percent on him because I, I think they just were like everyone clear out of the way and they're not running anything for them and they're not trying to get him involved and you just can't win that way when he doesn't he doesn't get a shot for the last quarter and a half. That's insane. It is. I thought 50 cent put it best when he commented on what happened yesterday. Do you see 50s comments? No. He said fuck today, man. The Knicks lost. The Pope died. And Kanye told us he sucked his cousin's dick for eight years. Yeah, I'm going to bed early tomorrow. Got to be better day. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what else can you say? What else can you say? I level analysis from 50. But I do think it's lazy to be like Carla the town's just disappeared because they also just they're not running plays to try to get

him involved. The Knicks are the biggest like good vibes, bad vibes bust depending on what happens in that game. When they win, it's like these guys are a bunch of dogs. Tibbs has a guy playing his he's got the guys playing hungry. This is Tibbs basketball. Yeah, awesome. I love the grittiness. When the Knicks lose. It's like this team sucks. I hate watching them. Yeah. And it all depends on the result of the game. And you also had Mikhail bridges missing a three at the end of the game and he's not playing great and they traded a lot for him. It does feel bad vibes.

Great vibes. But I also, we had Detroit, the big word that gets used a lot in the NBA community is ethical versus unethical hoops. Cade Cunningham is an ethical hooper. Jalen Brunson is an unethical hooper. Okay. Cunningham is an ethical hooper. Jalen Brunson is an unethical hooper. Okay. I don't really, I'm not using that. I just think it's very funny that they've gotten to that level. We're getting into moral relativism when we're talking about how people are playing basketball. Here's newsflash. There's no such thing as moral relativism in

sports. Correct. It's like, is it allowed? Did you score? If it's not, yeah. Are you scoring, son? Yeah. If it's allowed by the rules, then you can do it. And if it's not, then you can still do it and try to get away with it. And if you don't get away with it, then it's bad. My, my big thing is say Kate Cunningham is, uh, I'm not going to say he's an ethical Hooper, but he does. He tries to play through contact. He's going forcefully to the hoop. I always just judge it is, is a player trying to score or are they trying to get fouled? And when it leans more to trying to get fouled, that's just not basketball. I want to watch. It just sucks to watch. Yeah. We're not going to talk about altruism. It's ball truism. He's, he's a ball truistic player. I do. You know what? Like, yeah, obviously that's a ridiculous take to make it, to start putting labels on ethical or not.

It's an unethical hoops. That's what people are saying. But the more I, I think about it, the more I kind of agree like he's playing the game the way that it's meant to be. Right. This is how I know I'm getting old. Yes. Where I'm like, yeah, you know what? That's when Dr. James Naismith nailed up the peach basket. That's he was thinking about Cade Cunningham.

Yeah, he wasn't thinking about Chris Paul. Yeah. Yeah, you're absolutely right. He was Cade Cunningham was exactly he was envisioning that. Yeah. One day, one day thereunningham was exactly, he was envisioning that. Yeah, one day. One day. There'll be a young Hooper from Oklahoma. One day, the Pistons will be on a 17 year drought in the playoffs.

Well at the time. And Cade Cunningham will come and be the savior. You would have been like, wait, what are Pistons? Yeah. Those don't exist. That's true. Yeah. That's a good point.

Now, Nickerbockers, they existed. When was the card invented? When was the Piston when was it when was the piston invented? 1880 are you just making that up? Is the gas? That's a guess. There's a guess when was the car invented the piston invented? 1912 maybe the first cars didn't have 1886 good job I Don't know. Yeah, if there are pistons in them, I don't know I don't know yet if there are pistons in them. I don't know

What the faster the fastest horses? That's what he would have envisioned Do you can you google when pistons were just invented when was the piston invented and it says that the jet for the Winnipeg? Is an f-15 Eagle? So this is all fucked up. Okay, so James Naismith invented basketball in 1891 so that was after the car So it could have maybe. Yeah. Internal combustion. I don't know. Not car guys. Yeah. Not car guys. We're, we're Jack guys. Uh, all right. The Hank, do you agree with the Jim Brunson thing? Yeah. Max is not here. He's sick. Very James James Harden ask. Yeah. And I didn't like when James Harden did it and I don't like when I said Max not being here as James Harden ask., and I didn't like when James Harden did it now and I don't like when I said Max not being

Here's James Harden ask. Oh, that is true. Yeah, like it's not just him I'm not just picking on him when SGA does it I don't like it It's it's lame, but Jalen Brunson also does things that that you watch and you enjoy, of course He's mid-range game when he came in he's like in Max isn't here, but it's like in bead, too It's like when you they they get addicted to foul baiting Yeah, and it takes away from their skill It's like a yeah a kid in school the tattles early on they get their way They learn that they can have the teacher punish the kids. They don't like and then later, you know three years later

They're just a jerk. They have the ability to blow by someone but rather than just finish their like Let me wait for someone to come Jimmy mother does it sometimes where it's like you're not You're not trying to score. You're just trying to get fouled and like if the shot that you hook up there Somehow goes in you'd be like great and what? Not me. I'm an ethical Hooper. I am as well. I don't call fouls No, literally I would if I were in the NBA be like ref do not let do not call foul for me No blood. No foul Clippers nuggets has been an incredible series and Kwai is all the way back. What a fucking game for him 39 points

He was 15 for 19. There was a moment there. I think he was 11 for 12 This series just rocks Yeah I said on I think Monday's show like if you watched the way that Kwwhi just looked on the court the way he was asserting stuff Like I this guy is just a hundred percent healthy now I think he just refuses to play unless he's a hundred ten percent unless he's feeling like the best he's ever felt in his Life so with Kawhi if he's in your team You're either gonna get like the best player in the NBA one of them all around or you're going to get a guy

That's just gonna disappear for six months. Yeah, but so when we were talking about on Monday I thought game one he was he had the look of it But he didn't assert himself the way that like Kawhi can assert himself and take over a game He did that in game two. Yeah, he's like this is I'm I'm the guy and it's me and there's nothing you can do about it And he's got that ability where it's not even they're not it's not even like stuff they're drawing up necessarily. It's just that he's got a one on one matchup and you can't stop his mid range game. Yeah. And his moves and he's just too strong and too fast too tall. Like he just he's so good. I have a question for big cat is is Russell Westbrook contagious? Oh, who caught it Jamal

Murray and Jamal Murray a little bit. Yolkich caught a tinge of the Westbrookitis last year. Yolkich has always had a little bit of it. He had a good amount of it last night, especially down the stretch. What do you have? Like seven or eight turnovers? Yeah. He did. I mean, he did have a triple double. He did. Yeah. But he, yeah, there was some out of control. Jamal Murray did it. He just picked up, who was it? Norman Powell. Yeah. Just picked him up and it was the most confusing thing ever I feel like the whole team has just there there a little bit more Russell Westbrook Even the guys who aren't Russell Westbrook. Yeah, then they were last year. It also I think they caught it. It was funny It's always funny watching Russ playing like when he hits a big three you're like that was a big three

But it's gonna cost you the next two. Mm-hmm, cuz he's gonna do it again Yeah, get ready for some shots that go just directly off the back Yeah, and it was nice to see Michael Porter Jr. Who was not good. I think he got benched in game one, came back and played well. This is, this series is just two teams that are both really good, evenly matched that I hope goes seven. Porter might be hurt too. That's, that would be concerning if you're a nugget. Yeah. I said this at PFT at dinner on Saturday, but I,

Kawhi is the Brooks Koepka of basketball. Ooh, I like that. He, when, you know, his peers will be like, he's the best. Like he can be the best. He can beat the best when he's on his a game. He just doesn't care about like, you know, maybe like starts or you know, playing the regular season. It's just when the time matters the most, like he can perform better than anyone. Right. Like you could make the argument. So if you said last 10 years, everyone is equal, like healthy in their prime. Would it be LeBron Steph Kawhi?

He's got a pretty high hit rate. They said, yeah, it was like three. I saw it. I think it was like dragonfly drones. It's like I've seen he's he's been the best player in playoff series versus LeBron versus Deanna. Right. All these players he has had series where he's the best player in that series and it's like all the people you're about to make. And I'm saying 10 years because I'm a yokich obviously is in the conversation but that's more recent in the last five years and obviously KD would be up there. Tatum Brown. Well, that's more recent. Yeah. Yeah, you would. But yeah, he's up there. He's he's like he doesn't get talked about like that because he's quite not only because he's heard a lot, but he's also quiet. Doesn't

have like a he's not marketing himself. Right. When it when his code is like completely compiled and every all the systems are running and he's out there. There's very few people that are better than. Yeah. But when one thing is wrong, he just shuts, he goes into a hard reboot. Yeah. He's like, I need to go back in the shed for a while and, and wrench on myself and I'll be back. I'm going to be back when I'm back and when I'm back, I'm going to be awesome. And I'll say this for James Harden, uh, not the biggest fan, but like the combo of James Harden and Kawhi is why you like people are high on the Clippers and why they win games like this because at the end of the game in a playoff series

you need guys who are just pure shot makers. You know what I mean? Like they're, they can make, they can make the big shot and those guys can do that. I mean, James Harden, maybe not later on in the series, but it's early enough in the series where he can still be the shot maker. Has there been a time if you're a nuggets fan fan when you're watching this team and you're like it would be it would be advantageous to us if we had our coach who because there was one of those moments last night. Oh, seem like a couple just stutters of the rotation where it didn't seem like they were completely confident in what they should be doing.

Yeah, but they did not like Michael Malone. That's true. The reports. Yeah, but guess what? Sometimes the team unites around hating the coach. That's a fact. That's literally how Bobby Knight coached. Right. He wanted them all to hate him. Yeah, they have a something that's great in common. Yeah, like a bedrock of who they are as a person is they fucking hate their coach together. Yeah, as one together. All right, like Hank and us. Yeah, hate their coach together. Yeah. As one together. Uh, all right. It's like Hank and us. Yeah. That's absolutely true. Yeah. If Hank would know he's right. I am right. He's am I in a situation you're the coach. Oh yeah. Yeah. If you didn't, if you didn't sit in that, if you didn't sit on that

couch, if you didn't sit on that couch and daydream about golf and like tune in and out, uh, PFT and I would maybe fight each other. Yeah. We'd have to take out our aggression on each other. You're like a lightning rod where you take, you take the most amount of lightning so we can just keep surviving. Even the fact that you're pretending to not understand this analogy is infuriating. It's pissing me off.

It's pissing me the fuck off. I tune out so I talk less. That's's why that's why you don't yes people. I used to edit this podcast for a long time I used to hear myself talk, but you don't anymore You don't have but I'd be like why did I speak at that point the more paying attention? I am the more I speak so you don't I like when you speak involved so you you tune out now because You had to do so much work back then no I just like would be listening and It's like, Oh, this is funny. Great. They're great banter. And then like I would hear myself come in and just be like, but PFT is right in the

fact that he just didn't need to say that if we did just say podcast, if it was just the two of us talking and we like didn't have anyone else speak, that would, that would get crazy. Yeah. We would, we would go crazy. All right. Happy to help like pug here. Pug. What a big chair. We go. Do we think Max's I guess people have already listened to it. Do we think Max is going to join the zoom tonight. I hope he does from the toilet. Yeah. He's got bad diarrhea. Is Max like because this is we've never missed podcasts. No. And listen, the guy's sick, but we don't miss podcasts. Yeah. Listen. Right. You don't miss podcasts. We've never missed a podcast. Max gets, he, not going to work.

He, he had a last night was what it was like chili cheese fry night at his favorite bar. And then all of a sudden he gets sick. Meatball night. It was a meatball night. Yeah. Was it really? Yeah, it was. And then all of a sudden he gets sick. Meatball night. It was a meatball night. Yeah. Wait, was it really? Yeah, it was. And then he wakes up and he's like, oh, we had like a commercial shoot we had to do all morning.

Max was supposed to be part of it. He does meatball night. And next thing you know, he's sick. Meatball Monday is, that's a wild move. Like getting back into your week with a meatball dinner. We should make him start having to do like LeBron style videos, meatball. It's meatball Monday. Hey,

uh, hockey, PFT, Ovi. Awesome. Great game. Huh? Well, not really. It was a great two periods and then half the third period and then over time was cool again, man. I just love watching Ovi play so much. I, so I think it was Grant Paulson tweeted out the clip of, of the hit that Ovi laid. And I think he had seven or eight hits last night. He was fucking insane last night. If you're a kid, if you're a 10 year old kid and you're creating your own player, your custom player in a video game and you have a certain limit of how many points you can give for attributes, I feel like you would create Ovi every time. Like like shot power 100 shot accuracy 100 hit power 100. Yeah.

And that's what you do. Like he is exactly what I would create as a as like a 12 year old. But yeah, the guys look great in the first two periods. Just physically dominant controlling play down there. And then it all fell apart in the second half of the third period. And then my butthole tightened up real, real and I was like fuck we're gonna lose cuz two nothing most Dangerously knock that's facts and they scored one. I was like they're gonna get another and the goal tending I don't know if you saw the second goal last night. This is what I'm worried about the second goal from the Canadians Yes, this is what I'm worried about with this team Lindgren was standing a full crease outside of his own crease at one point, just leaving the goal wide open. That, that concerns me a little bit,

but overall still feeling good about the caps. I do like Ryan Leonard too. Yeah. I liked the rookie that they've got. He hasn't really scored much, but he's just out there looking, looking to hit people. And he's got those young legs that you can see like he's fresh. Yeah. So yeah, fun game. It was also very funny that they put up the graphic that Ovi had never scored a playoff OT goal. Yeah. And then three seconds later, he wins the game. What an animal. Yeah. Stav is walking across the screen right now. We talked to Stav a little bit about how if you're like a fan

of a team, you learn to defend and you become like a a deputized legal expert. Yeah. And anything that your players do wrong so you can defend them. I realized last night that I was I've become that way about Ovi. To the extent where now I'm like Ukraine might have had some bioweapons last. There's some bad dudes. Some bad guy. Listen, they're saying they might want to join NATO one day. Yeah, some bad mamajamas. And then I mean it was a great night. It was a great night in playoffs on Monday night. Uh, the, the jets now have a commanding to a lead and then the, the avalanche stars game was awesome. The overtime was like they were

just going full fucking tilt back and forth. There's nothing better than playoff overtime when you don't get a commercial and it's like no puck stoppage and you just have like seven minutes straight of the boys just flying down the ice back and forth. I was going to say there's nothing better than overtime playoff hockey when you're not rooting for one of the two teams. That's in the overtime playoff hockey. Yes. Because that sucks. Oh, the you have you have a Max's Twitter. Can you tweet that? Can you tweet that? Should I tweet that? Yeah, tweet that. Pugs is going to tweet meatballs. And then and then did you guys see the the Kings? The Kings Oilers game was very mean

to the Oilers because the Oilers were down all game and they fought all the way back and they tied it 5-5 and then they gave up a goal with like 30 seconds left to lose the game. But the real star of the night was the Harmonica band that did the National Anthem, which was, if you're LA, that was actually a really smart move because like what other way to get your opponent off their game than just throw the most LA thing at them. Well, I don't know. You're in LA, you might think like Fergie is coming out there. And then it's harmonica. And then it's harmonica. Then you've got is the Korean harmonica orchestra?

Yes, I think all these ladies, they appear to be on the silver side of life. Yeah, but still very vibrant and youthful. I thought it was beautiful. Yeah, it was. I love watching our friend Ryan Whitney's tweets during Oilers games because he's just living and dying. And it was like, it was actually really cruel what happened because they were, they were down five, three, and it was the game was over. And they scored two goals in like 30 seconds to tie it five-5.

And then the Kings just came back and won it with less than a minute left. This one was quite literally like to an I felt this was directly to me or felt like this was like a directly personal experience. I feel like I just dipped for the first time on the Gravitron at the carnival. Yeah, there's a town everywhere in the in in situ at Harbor every year. And the Gravitron, it's like in the summer and everyone's that's like, I think the first time I dipped was that's from the summer at the carnival. You go inside and there's no parents around. Does everybody

have a Gravitron? Because I had a Gravitron Gravitron. Yeah. Is it the same Gravitron that just goes around the country or multiple Gravitron? We and the first time you dip is just pukes it yeah was I Braces to I'm trying to remember I was I stopped I never I dipped twice and puked the grizzly very bad grizzly Grizzly winter green Kodiak grape. I was Copenhagen Copenhagen fancy boy hard body. It's hard body. It was at a varsity football game. I was in eighth grade. And everyone puked. And then we're like, I can't wait to do this again. That rocked my head is buzzing. We should get a Gravitron for the office.

I'm down. Yeah, let's do it. How much how much you think a Gravitron costs? I'm gonna guess hug is really that way better. I think it's more I think it's like a hundred twenty nine thousand Pug is way better at this than max Googling I think some of the things you said to me might apply to some other people too. What do you mean? Oh? Max being the lightning rod That well, no, he's uh, and he's like the smaller lightning rod that you pass your lightning off to him No, he's and he's like the smaller lightning rod that you pass your lightning off to him Wait max is a smaller one. Yeah, it's crazy that it happened for me $48,000

I mean Let's get bought We need the we need a soft-serve machine first. We're just turning this into a state. I need the soft-serve machine Where would we put it? Where you want to put it on the roof? Rooftop Gravit where you want to put it on the roof rooftop Gravitron you want to put it Okay, 45 passengers Gravitron. I Mean we we could probably rent one and put it in we could do like a carny day What do you do? What do you what are you shaking your fucking it?

Don't shake your fucking head move square footage for I'm saying you have a trunk What if we did a day where we did it in the parking lot? We certainly do have enough square footage. Look at that. It's what 55 feet wide We have a basketball court. Yeah, but we do like to play basketball on it Once you get the Gravitron, it makes basketball a little bit harder Yeah, but I mean we we use the basketball court for other things Hank takes it over for putt-putt golf two weeks here Yeah, I do. Yeah, he does so we can do this for like three days Yeah, do it for your little science fair to a grab it Gravit I do. Yeah, he does. So we can do this for like three days. Yeah, do it for your little science fair too.

A Gravitron cup. Yeah, we could. Who can stay on it long enough without puking? Yeah, marathon. And the person who stays on it long enough gets the Gravit's do some Hot Seat Cool Throne and then we'll get to our interviews. Hot Seat Cool Throne is brought to you by our friends at Body Armor. This segment is brought to you by Body Armor Sports Drink. Body Armor's Real Hydration with Electrolytes, Coconut Water, and No Artificial Dyes, Flavors, or Sweeteners. With your favorite flavors like Strawberry, Banana, and Orange Mango, but in a brand new look you're going to love. It's time to rewrite your routine and get rid of the sports drink, your grandparents drink, get your body armor today at Walmart or local grocery store near you.

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throne was going to be controversies surrounding ESPN personalities. Okay. So see the hot seat, you're right. Go ahead. So hot seat is the cool throne. No, no, hot. You have the right on the hot seat. I don't know why PFT and Max. Yeah. PFT and Max. We were having having the guy off talking about, you know, who's got the best guys, Celtics, anyone else in the rest of the league. And this came across my desk courtesy of my stats and research department and the athletic did a poll where they pulled NBA players and they asked who they think is going to win the championship. Fifty seven point seven percent, said the Boston Celtics.

Hey, what we're seeing here from Hank is a what does that have to do with the guy? A terrible attempt to reframe the conversation. The Celtics have the best guy. No. And Hank, what you're doing right now is this narrative you're trying to put out there is Completely false let me just cut that down at the blue guys being like the guy off I am now confident with my team the guy off Hank the was players in the league who are playing the games 57.7 percent okay, may I retort?

Sure permission to rebut I would also like ice bottles, okay? Well tell you what I'll just talk to big cat because you're not gonna listen anyways, okay The guy off was because Hank said guy for guy Everyone on the Celtics is better than everyone on the thunder. Yeah, that's great So then we went down the list and found his words like you have dementia Words did not you know you're just saying I said let's go guy for guy. I'm calling Max. I'm calling Max. Guy for guy. He's probably eating meatballs. I said let's go guy for guy. Can I not say every guy. Can I have a sidebar with you? Yes. Hank, you what you need. You like don't don't. It was it was frustrating me on. Don't tell him

what you're going to tell him what he should have said. No I'm going to tell it be well maybe something different. Sunday. What are you picking all self-expense. No, no, no. Sunday when we're doing the show, I was getting very frustrated because in this room I got no playoff teams. Max got no playoff teams. PFT basically trolled you about your confidence and then he went on to say that the capitals are playing great and all this. Why didn't you just say to him, who are you scared of PFT and hold his feet to the fire with the Capitals because I'm not a troll. I was waiting for it. He literally was like putting it up on a tee for you and I was sitting there like Hank. Now's when you hop in and

just hold him to these comments as well. You go down the list. But I'm not going to fake like I know NHL like he does with NBA. Like I'm not going to be like, let's go guy for guy. Like fucking, let me read the roster and then just say, like, I don't know who you should be scared of, but I'm not going to pretend like I do. I'm not an NBA expert, but I do watch the association and I do know some guys on the thunder that could be better than guys on the Celtics. Can I say that I'm so so I am so scared to tweet about hockey because of like people just jumping out like there was a save in the Stars Avs game and it was an awesome save and I was about to tweet that was an awesome save

But I was just waiting for people to be like dude. Actually that was a routine save Yeah, cuz like I'll fucking know it's cool to me. This happens every night in hockey like basketball I feel fine on do you see Nick Patooms? No dip three Silky smooth also now that you bring it up I I've been thinking for the last hour since we taped the the NHL recap that my mentions tomorrow are just gonna be like dude You don't even know the difference between Charlie Lindgren and Logan Thompson and that's gonna be tough. How could you that's gonna be? That's gonna that's gonna be a tough morning. How dare you? I was I was looking at a graphic from like TNT or one of the networks that posted the the playoff schedules. And I looked

at it for like 10 minutes, seeing where I was missing the Bruins a man and that's how I found out they weren't in the playoffs. I'm like I'm hop on the big wagon. Wait, Max, hang on one second. Wait, PFT, you have to... Max, you'll have to tape and part my take. I'm gonna put you on mute real quick. He just said that he was looking at the schedule for the playoffs when they were released, and that's how he found out the Bruins weren't in the playoffs. Hey, what a sweet a second. Where the fuck are we? Okay, Max. Yeah, we're on part of my take. Number one sports podcast. Pug's doing a great job behind the glass looking stuff up real fast. First question. How is your butt?

But butt is still bad. I stopped puking now. Okay, that's good. Max, second question. Why you have the you have the neuro virus and you're tweeting about meatballs in the middle of the day. That was somebody else who did that from my Twitter. Okay, they're liking all those pictures too, from your account, I'm sure. The real reason why we want to talk to

you was because Hank and I were having a little discussion. And he put both you and I on his hot seat, you were not there to defend yourself. So he was talking about the guy offoff that we had when we were talking about Thunder and the Celtics the other day. I told Hank that the entire premise of the guy-off was because he said if you go down the list, there's not a single guy that you would take on the Thunder over a single guy on the Celtics. Can you confirm that that's true?

Or did I say that or did I say do you want to go guy for guy? I think the only one that he said was Shay and Tatum are awash, but everything else was Was but I didn't say I didn't say the words you could the star of the conversation It was Hank saying every guy on the Celtics. It was just better than every guy on the Thunder. It was let's go guy for guy You I than every guy on the Thunder. It was let's go guy for guy. You, I think you, you may both be correct here. I think you said that's not possible. So guy for guy, but it was under the assumption of so you're yet. No, he says let's go guy for guy. That's not under the assumption that every single guy is better than every single guy. Well, if Hank says

every guy on the Celtics is better. And was trying to say that. But I never said the words. That could be the assumption, though, that he would win the guy off. Not that every guy is better than every other guy. No, he said every guy on the Celtics is better. So I said, well, then let's have a guy off to prove. This is actually insane.

OK, thanks, Max. Let's go guy for guy. Get back to your toilet. Bye. So where did we get here? Do we do we have to solve? I'm not lying. But but again, when he if he's trolling you just troll him back with I guess I'll have to figure out how to do that. Get your research stats or research. Maybe learn French. Get them going. Yeah, they'll they'll be going. They're all going. Get what are the Lockwood riders? What are they?

I don't know. It's just gas. Oh, okay Get gas to get some research going if he does he's he's my number one guy. Okay. All right, you're cool So my cool throne is Controversies with ESPN personalities. Yeah big timePN personalities to one's a little more serious than the other one. But it's worth noting. The first one is Shannon Sharp is being accused of rape and he's saying he released sex messages and he said he's releasing a full sex tape, which is going to clear his name. tape which is going to clear his name. Well, he said that the sex tape that's about to be revealed is through his accuser's attorney, which is Jay Busby. And he's saying that they're going to drop a 30 second clip of the sex tape.

So Shannon Sharp said, why don't you just release the entire sex tape and show the people the entire sex. Yeah. And he released some messages, which again, it's pretty Pretty wild times that this is like his defense is like no look at which I I understand to an extent but it's it's a He's he's on the hot seat. This was right after the the reports of him like signing a hundred million dollar podcast deal Mm-hmm. I do think it's fair to say that context could matter in a sex tape for sure Yeah, I have like how big never mind. This is one that I've opted out on. So I'm I'm I'll I'm gonna wait to make a decision. Wait

for one. No one cares about no one cares what my decision is, but I'm gonna wait. Okay, to make a decision there. I think that's fair. And the other one, this was more just funny, I think and it kind of we talked about it on the show a few weeks ago or a month ago with the Pat McAfee Steve and a thing and I said like I think there's beef and Yeah, I got a lot of McAfee fans being like no like they they Overwhelmingly reached out the next day and we're like there, you know, how are you saying this? That's a lie. Yada. Yada. Yada Paul Heyman. Yeah was on the McAfee show Yeah, and I don't know if he was on the McAfee show and I

don't know if he has beef with McAfee or like he, I think he drunk or he just went, well, he's an entertainer first and foremost scorched earth. And basically it was like, yeah, Pat, this was all the stuff Pat was saying off air and just laying it all out there. Like he doesn't like Steven a he thinks Steven is overpaid and he should be making more. He doesn't, uh, he doesn't like, you know, ESPN tells him not to mention the podcast. What does he do? He mentions the podcast like and McPhee was as visibly and as uncomfortable as I've ever seen. So I thought I thought that was all fair as an entertainer.

You bring him on. You probably expect him. He's going to say some wild card shit, right? The one thing I had a problem with with Heyman was he, he defied the sanctity of the blunt rotation. Yeah. So this was, but it was, he also accused of a puff puff puff puff puff puff puff puff puff puff puff puff puff puff puff puff puff puff puff puff, which is a hilarious accusation. Yeah. But that's still in the words that are said in the cipher stay in the site. Yeah. Listen, uh, we like Pat, former coworker friend of ours. Uh, you Paul Heyman is one of those guys that if you invite him on your show

He's going to he's going to make a mess of it. Like that's that's what he does. He's this is his job Yeah, wrestling manager and he's like incredible on the mic. So it was an incredible clip unbelievable Yeah, when Joe Buck has already laying on right you got to expect him those he's's going to say that he's going to jizz on your chest. Right. Paul Heyman is going to go crazy. Yeah. It was just a very, I mean, I felt bad for Pat in a way. It was like that. No one wants to be in that situation, especially to PFT's point. It's like, you think, you know, a guy, you have conversations off air at a bar in a blunt rotation, whatever, when they just start saying that on air, like that's the worst spot to be in. Yeah, like if we're having a conversation about ball, and then it gets brought up on the air and then yeah, we hate each other Yeah, so actually now I'm actually kind of a magnetic point. I was probably just putting words in his mouth and he never said

Yeah, he was me. He was being a strong They're also the one he when he turned to the to the fan in the crowd He's like you suck, but it was your mom that taught me it was like Probably dropped that line 50,000 times. Of course. For the record, Hank, I'm not upset at you. I still love you. Okay. But I think that you're misremembering the conversation. I know you're misremembering the conversation. If one of you were to have dementia, who would it be? Easy.

That's easy. All right. PFT. My hot seat is Anthony Edwards. He got fined $50,000 for some comments that he made courtside at the Lakers game. Yes. Told a fan that he had a bigger dick than him. Probably true. Which could be true. That's probably why the fine is only $50,000.

And now that I think about it, $50,000 to have this pretty cool clip go out is easily worth the price. Yeah, absolutely. Like for PR value for Anthony Edwards. He was like, I have $200 million and my dick is bigger than yes, there's nothing that you can say to that. Yeah, I mean, he's I don't know. They don't show the fan. It'd be funny if the fan sued for slander reliable. Yeah, it's like actually look, look at my hog. Yeah, let's reveal plot twist that fan Jimmy Tatro. Yeah. Massive don't feel my cool throne is Jerry Jones. Because Jerry Jones, people say that he's got, you know, a cold,

almost dead heart. He actually said that he cried a couple months ago. Oh, when Luca got treated? Yes. Oh, they asked him about the Luca. Yeah, I cried when they traded Luca, which is it's remarkable because they removed his tear ducts at least three surgeries ago. Yes. But yeah, I hope that this is just a never ending series of asking anyone who has lived in Dallas with any small semblance of fame, what their reaction was from the Luca trade. And I hope it keeps going on for the next like three years just so that Nico feels like a bigger piece of shit.

It's the new JFK assassination. Where were you? Where were you? Yeah. What were you feeling? Someone's going to ask Scottie Scheffler. Yeah. Uh huh.

Has to. Yeah. So that goes perfectly with my hot seat is Nico Harrison because he did a press conference finally and one, I don't know if you guys saw, but he, as he left the press conference, the door was locked that he was trying to go out of, which was very funny. Love that. Just a total cell phone. And then, yeah, look at this, watch this.

He just like, you know, he's like, well, that was the, can't get worse than that, that sucked. Well, at least I'm not in this room anymore. And he like walks right up to the thing and is like, oh shit, it's locked. And then he also said, uh, he said he's never spoken ill of Luca at all. That's just a lie. That's not true. That has to be a lie. And then he also said that he didn't understand, uh, how much the fans liked Luca. I don't know how that's possible. He's Charles Barkley did

go on. He said he knew that they liked him, but he didn't know how much they loved him. Yeah. Uh, and, and now the, there's reports that the owner is pissed being like, how did you not know how much they liked Luca? Like I was supposed to tell you that it's a whole, it's the best. It's obviously the worst for mass fans. It's the best though, that Nico Harrison is just not getting off the hook. Like it's the worst for Mazz fans. It's the best though that Nico Harrison is just not getting off the hook. Like it's every fucking day. This trade happened two and a half months ago and every day there's a new story on how stupid he is. And like I said, I said it on Sunday, I will make sure for the entirety of the playoffs, at least

once a week on this show, I would just say, fuck Nico Harrison. He's a moron and I'll keep doing that. But yeah, he's I guess he's done with press conferences Now I hope not Our goal is to never run away from the media. That's he literally did an entire press conference where he didn't let anyone record anything Mm-hmm. I mean all of his all of his quotes are just so bad and so stupid Yeah, what a two and a half quarters one Charles Barkley is like, you're my friend. I love you. Just shut the fuck up and take the L. Yeah, like it's over.

It's good advice. He said, I consider you a friend of mine. Don't do any more press conferences. I don't even know what you're doing. I really don't. The war is over brother. You take an L. Smart advice. Did you see inside the NBA last night when Shaq shit himself?

No. Oh, you didn't see that No, so it was after the it was after the Clippers game and they're doing their wrap-up and Shaq I was watching puck in the middle of the conversation. He just gets up and trots off the stage. Yeah, watch this Watch the run. He does away from the stage Yeah, that's neuro virus Oh, yeah That's norovirus Yeah, so he just leaves for like six minutes comes back and then he comes back and he goes it was uh, it was number one Ernie

That was number two Shaq we know it and he's apparently been doing this olive oil thing the olive oil cleanse Which that's a good that's not to get somebody. Yeah All right, then my cool throne is Kirk Cousins oil cleanse, which that's a good punch to get somebody. Yeah. Um, all right. And then my cool throne is, uh, Kirk cousins because there was a headline that caught my eye on ESPN today. Uh, and let me read the exact headline because I want you guys to also have it, uh, sources cousins surprises at Falcon's workout surprise in, in that he showed up. Yes. Okay. Cause I, I clicked on it and I was like, oh shit, Kirk Cousins looking good.

And it was like, the whole story was just, no one expected him to show up. His presence was a nice surprise. I mean, Kirk Cousins, if nothing, the man is professional. Yeah. He surprises at opening of Falcon's voluntary workout. He will attend voluntary team activities.

He's probably good at texting back. Yeah. Probably responds to most emails. Yeah. He's a pros pro. He's a pros pro. Okay. Let's get to our interviews.

We got Todd McShea, which great intel, little different than Daniel Jeremiah, where we talked a little more like nitty gritty of the guys with Daniel Jeremiah. Todd McShea gave us a lot of insight on what he expects to happen on Thursday night. Trade-ups, what teams are thinking, what the Giants are thinking.

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He's also got a newsletter. That's great. Uh, so go check it out. Todd, great to see you look great. You're in the Hollywood studios in LA out here in LA. Yeah. So, all right. So it's draft week. Before we talk about the actual draft, will you be going, will you have Rossello in your beautiful studio this week or is he making you go to his house? No, no. So here, here's how it went. He's not allowed in the studio. We don't need the disruption right in the confusion. Um, I, I texted him actually a while back and I was like, I'm trying to call you, pick up your, pick up your phone. And I gave him the, you

know, like the town where, where it's like, we're, we're going to go do something. I can't tell you what we're doing. We're going to hurt some people. And I said him the you know, like the town where it's like we're we're gonna go do something I can't tell you what we're doing. We're gonna hurt some people and I said on the text I was like I just need you to say whose car we take. Yeah, and so we called back and I explained my my Concept which was I just want to take over your house and make day three Saturday inside the Roussela. Have you yes, we have We've been to his new house. He's got a great squad. We've been to all his houses. Yeah. He's on his like ninth Manhattan beach house. It's like this great like man cave overlooking the Pacific Ocean, TVs everywhere. So we're going to go and we're going to eat his food, drink his drinks and invade his house on a, on Saturday for two hours, 3pm Eastern to 5pm Eastern. We're going to be there. Recap on the whole draft as the drafts going on. Wait, so he only gave you two hours, 3pm Eastern to 5pm Eastern. We're going to be there recapping

the whole draft as the draft's going on. So you only gave you two hours? You don't even get to watch the whole draft with him? His only caveat was NBA playoffs. Exactly. Yeah. He's got his notepad out. He's such a meat stick. So I'm going to try to get him to run a 40. Bill Simmons and I are setting the over-under. Bill had it at six flat. I said like five two. So we tried to get him to run a 40. He reminded me that he has a squat rack in the

house. He does the 225 bench press. Right. The squat rack that almost killed him. He building it. He got caught behind it. No, he's under six. That's crazy. That's disrespect. I think he will. He's built for power. He's like a linebacker. I could see him It's definitely gonna be a hamstring issue, right? Yeah pulling up after 33 yards Yeah, once he realizes in his head where where the clock is at. Yeah, he's like, oh, yeah I might as well just pretend I've got an injury. He's got Daniel Jeremiah said we should run it in the sand for a built-in excuse He's got five I'm gonna say five three. He's got five three speed. All right, so this draft, we actually had DJ on on Monday talking about the draft.

He was like, hey, it's not the best draft. There's a lot of, there's six, five or six blue chippers and a lot of starters. How many blue chippers do you have and is it a fair assessment to say this draft maybe is lacking a little bit of the sizzle we've had in the last couple of years? Here's how I look at it. And I kind of do tiers off of grades, but let's break away from that for a second.

There's two guys that are at the top and that's Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter. They're in their own tier, if you will. Then after that, there's a handful of guys. But what's interesting is a lot of them are not in like premium positions, Ashton Gentry running back to tight ends in Tyler Warren and Colston Loveland. And then you look at the rest of the list. Yes, there is. I think there's two edges that belong to actually three I would probably throw in there

with with Jalen Walker, his teammate, Michael Williams and Shamar Stewart. But then also in that mix, I would throw in Jihad Campbell from Alabama and Mason Graham, interior off defensive lineman. So that's kind of the range and Cam Ward would be up there as well in that that second tier if you will. What's interesting man is like, we're now like hours away from the draft, right? And there's talk because of certain teams having specific needs and this happens every year, but not not normally this high. Like we get to four, New England's probably going to take Will Campbell. Will Campbell is the fourth or fifth best offensive lineman in last year's draft. The information I'm

getting as we get closer, it could be Ashton Gentry at four for Jacksonville. It's not going to be Mason Graham, the defensive tackle for Michigan. But the player that I keep hearing over and over again from people in the league and around the league is Teterowah McMillan, the wide receiver. So if that's the end, the theory behind it is Trevor Lawrence, go back to 2018, 2019 at Clemson to six foot four wide receivers, 4,000 receiving yards, 42 touchdowns to Justin Ross and T Higgins, those guys. And he's had smaller receivers at Jacksonville and he's been missing the target by a little bit. Let's get him a big catch radius guy like Tet Macmillan at six foot four. And so if that's the case, and now Campbell goes for Tet goes five, I'm told

that that Las Vegas is going to take Ashton Gentry at six. And so that could be an offensive tackle Armand Membo. Now you get to seven and all these guys, you ready? Mason Graham, still available. Tyler Warren and Colston Loveland, still available. Jaylen Walker, Shamar Stewart, Mikel Williams, all still available. It's gonna be, and Ashton Gentry. How about the, hey, I said, hey Bears fans, wake up.

Yeah, there's a scenario playing out right now as I'm talking to people in the league day in and day out where the Bears come on the board at 10. I don't want to get everyone all worked up, but Ashton Gentile, Tyler Warren and Colston Loveland are still available for them. And is it, is it Ashton Gentile in that spot? I mean, it feels like it. Yeah, I would think so. Wait. So you said something interesting there. The Raiders are not going to take Ashton Genti because I thought they were leaning that way. So that's what you're hearing. It's opposite. Exactly. That's what we I think every mock draft in the world for about a month straight had two two of the same players of the same teams. It was Mason Graham, Michigan defensive tackle going to

Jacksonville at five and one pick later was Ashton Gentile running back Going to the Las Vegas Raiders at six and I don't think either is happening Wow So how would you compare Ashton Gentile with running backs in the first round from the last couple years like? Bijon Robinson or Gibbs is he in that same class? Oh, absolutely I actually think he's a better pure runner in terms of like contact balance, churning out yards after contact than Bijon Robinson. There's been six running backs go in the top 10 in the last 10 years of the draft. And Saquon's obviously one of them.

Leonard Fournette and Christian McCaffrey were in 2017. Go all the way back to, I think it was 2015 with Todd Gurley. So it's not unprecedented for a running back to go in the top 10. He's certainly worth it in terms of the grade that he carries. But to me, Ash Jentji, I haven't talked to any teams that view him not as one of the top six, seven players in this draft. And the fact that he could wind up falling to 10 to the Bears would obviously it's positional value, but absolutely worth the pick and would I just like part of me fell in love with the concept of Warren or Colston with Cole Comet and cooking it up in the lab with Ben Johnson and 12 personnel.

But then you throw Ashton Jinty in the mix and taking the pressure off the quarterback position. If that's the scenario, they can't go wrong with the pick and certainly they'd be thrilled to have because there was a scenario with the Raiders taking Jinty at six and the Jets potentially taking Tyler Warren at seven, where Colson Loveland was the best available at those positions at 10 for the Bears. And I don't know that that's going to be the case anymore. What if it's somehow Mason Graham, Ash and Jinty at 10? Which would be tough to have

that happen, but is there a chance that Mason Graham falls to Texas? I love Mason Graham. There's a chance. I look at the Jets as a possibility at pick seven for Mason Graham. I don't I wouldn't rule out Carolina at eight. But I don't know. I think if he gets past if he gets past five and gets past the Raiders of six, yeah, like I think he could be on the board. Okay. I truly do. That would be exciting. I saw a report earlier today that the Giants and the Browns are taking calls, taking calls on their draft pick. I just got a text from an assistant GM in the league and he's like, please try to ask around.

And I just sent out some feelers and I'm jumping on with you guys and I'll make some more calls after. Apparently there have been calls and that's not surprising. But apparently someone's trying, there's a team out there that according to word and people are trying to figure out how true it is and how valid it is. But at this moment, there's apparently a team out there that's putting a big offer to the Cleveland Browns to try to move up to number two to get Travis Hunter. Can we guess what team it is? Does it rhyme with the Boss Angeles Largers?

I don't know. That's why I was sending out texts before I jumped on with you. There's some speculation, maybe the Dallas Cowboys? Oh yeah, Jerry did say he's looking at doing something either before or after the draft, but it could happen. Well not in the middle of it though. No, no, not in the middle of the draft. He said we're looking at making, we're looking at two things and these two things could happen either before or after the draft. So it could be anything. It could be it could be the Cowboys. Yeah. And he said for a player, I saw that quote. So that player could be Travis Hunter before the draft. So I mean, it would it would fall in line. But yeah, it's definitely a wide open. I mean,

no shit, Jerry. Everyone's going to do something before and after the draft. Yeah, I try to get somebody. Ideally, if you as long as you're still alive, then you can do something. Yeah. So Jerry Jones confirms he will live through the weekend. When I saw that report that the Giants and the Browns are taking calls, I just immediately thought they put that report out there so that they will start to take calls. They're letting people know, like, please continue to contact us because we're listening. I get it with the Giants, but you've known for

over a month now that the Cam Ward's going number one. So if you're Cleveland, and you've made the decision, it's not quarterback, and I know, I know that to be true at two. And then you're, and you've got your choice between Abdul, I literally started this whole conversation with you guys talking about this year's class. And I said, there's two players that are in a group of their own. So at this point, you know, you're basically on the clock and you know what the board looks like.

So why I get the Giants try because we can get to the Giants in a second, but there's some, there's some dissension in the Giants, because we can get to the Giants in a second, but there's some, there's some dissension in the Giants ranks. And so maybe trading out of that spot, if you're trying to appease the head coach and Brian Dable and maybe get a quarterback, you'd like to move back, get a quarterback, have an additional pick to try to, you know, plug some other holes. If that's truly the case. And again, we can get to the Giants in a second. But if you're Cleveland, like what you either know, you want Travis Hunter, you've holes if that's truly the case. And again, we can get to the giants in a second. But

if you're Cleveland, like what you either know you want Travis Hunter, you've decided that, or you're looking at this and weeks ago you would have been talking to other teams about potentially moving up to the number two spot. It doesn't make sense that they would be putting out the feelers. It would make sense if the giants were kind of reaching out, Hey, any interest here? Right. Yeah. Right. So, so speaking of the Giants, you know, front offices better than anyone. You'd have a bunch of sources. You talked to a bunch of guys, the Giants feel like they're in that specific spot where it's a coach that's on the hot seat that is most likely to get fired unless they have a crazy turnaround. Uh, same with

the GM. The owner's probably getting impatient because they've had some really bad seasons and it's like not Giants football. And will they take a reach and take a Chedora Sanders knowing that buys them maybe an extra year. Like when you see that happen it happens every single year in the NFL. Is there ever a front office is like hey we're not doing this like we're not going to do this. This is stupid. why are we letting ourselves just do something so quickly just to for self-preservation here? Let me let me give you a couple things pieces of insight here First of all, I was actually mildly surprised to hear as of Sunday My my information is that that John Mara the Mara family they have not gotten Involved and I don't mean they're not involved in the

process. I mean, they're not saying we need to do this or we really would like to take chador at three or really would like to take out there. They're letting the people they hired work out the decision. Second part is everyone got all worked up. They're grabbing the Mara plane and they're flying to Boulder on Thursday of last week Tuscaloosa on Friday for Jalen Milrow Tyler Shuck in Louisville on Saturday What you know is it gonna be shit, but no one wanted to talk about the Milrow and Shuck part

The fact that they worked out dark the week dark the week before the face of this draft is Chador Sanders So everyone media wise was on, you know, it's still in play at three. What I can tell you is this, according to my sources, and honestly, I've been saying it for two weeks on the show. If you hire Brian Dable, you did so because he is one of the handful, not dozens handful of human beings on this planet in the NFL that actually know how to develop quarterbacks and actually can get the best out of them and actually have a brilliant offensive mind. I don't care if this quarterback outlasts Brian in his tenure.

I don't care what the wins and losses are. Brian can flat out friggin coach man. I'm telling you, this guy is at a very high level in the NFL in terms of offensive coaching. I believe that. So you've got this man who's one of just a handful in the league in your building. He's the smartest man in the room. And for some reason, there's some people in the scouting department that prefer Shador, but the guy who's going to coach him that's great at doing that is not a Shador guy, apparently.

And I say that because I've heard that from sources. And I also have said that even before I had sources on it, because I know Brian, I know his style, I know his history, we know Josh Allen, we know Jaylenalen hurts, I think at Alabama. He's Jackson Dart fits the mold for him. Sturdy, mobile, bigger arm than Shador's doesn't have to have a rifle, but like he just fits the mold. And so whether it's Shador or Tyler Shuck or maybe a developmental project in, you know, day two with Jalen Milro, that fits a lot more than Shador, especially in that climate

and that division. So I'm hearing now that he wants to take a quarterback at three or maybe move down from that spot and take a quarterback. He'd like to make sure they get their guy. But I also have heard and I and it lines up with my football sense is that it's not Shador. Okay. So maybe I'm hopeful that this organization is smart enough to say, well, Brian's the guy we got to lean on with the quarterbacks. We'll handle all the rest of this. And it'll be fascinating to see maybe that's part of the reason why there's talk of calls to number three, maybe move back down, take Jackson Dart a little bit later, get an additional pick or two, however that works out. But that's kind of the backdrop on everything that's going on in that Giants

organization. And I'm just hopeful they I mean, he had to live through Daniel Jones, right? He got the best when Daniel Jones actually could stay healthy for a minute. He got the best out of Daniel Jones. Imagine he gets to handpick his guy and develop him and not have to rush him out there year one with Russell Wilson there and with Jameis Winston there. That's the direction I would go. And if I was the mayor of family and I had to get involved at all, I'd be like, you let him make the quarterback decision.

You guys make the rest of them. Right. So let's say hypothetically, they stay at their pick, they make their pick and they don't take a quarterback. They might want to move back up maybe late on in the first round to draft that quarterback with a second first round pick. Do any owners and I guess with the Marist specifically, would they say, Hey, no, we don't want to trade all this away to move up so that you can take a quarterback because you're kind of mortgaging the future and drafting a quarterback kind of feels like it could be an effort to save your job like

big cat was saying getting a quarterback. Are there any owners that will say that will shut that down and say, no, I don't think this is a good idea. Yeah. But then you're basically saying like, this is your last year as my head coach. You might as well fire them. Yeah. Or this is my year last year as my GM, Joe Shane. So I don't know the inner workings exactly how that would go. I've heard unbelievably wild stories of ownership and last minute making decisions that didn't align with what the personnel department and what the coaching staff wanted. Dan Sider and Jay Gruden.

But again, I do want to emphasize because there's been a lot of speculation that as of Sunday, the Marys are letting the football people handle the football stuff so far. I would like to think that if they do go Abdul Carter at three, that they would be wise in where they tried to move up. And if Dart's the guy that Brian Dable wants, then then you go up and get dark, right? secure them at 25. Let's say with the Vikings who only have four picks in the entire draft, the fewest of any team in the league. So that's kind of how I look at this. The other part is, and we haven't even gotten to this. Where's Shador going? Yeah.

And why and why? Why? And if Shador because 21 sitting there and everyone thinks because the same the same principles apply with Kellen Moore and New Orleans at nine. I don't think it's gonna be quarterback at nine. I am fairly certain. Kellen Moore does not want to should or that he would be a Jackson Dart guy as well or maybe a Tyler Chuck based off of like his last three jobs were as OCs were with Dak Prescott, Justin Herbert and Jalen hurts that like those are those are dark types of players or Tyler Chuck types

of players should door doesn't have a lot of love right now man. And listen, Baker Mayfield was like what plus 2000 to be the number one overall pick the night before. Michael Pennex, none of us knew that Michael Pennex was going to be the pick for Atlanta a year ago. So we've seen this over and over again. There's a team lurking, I'm sure, that has more interest in Chidor in round one than we know of right now. But I'm also told, and this is the fascinating part, Mike Tomlin does like Shador, and there's

love for Shador in that building, but it's a softer floor because everyone said, well, that's the floor for Shador 21. It's a softer floor than people want to admit to right now, or maybe people understand right now. And so if it's not 21, or if Pittsburgh's trying to trade back out of that spot at 21, because they don't have a second round pick after the DK trade, where's Shador going? And so is it going to be a situation where it's like, hold, hold? You know, like Cleveland at 33, Giants at 34, New Orleans at 40.

Private planes have been crossing over each other in the air the last couple of weeks. Workouts with Dart and Chuck and Milro and Shador. So maybe everyone just holds off and waits. And maybe we only have one quarterback drafted in the first round. In fact, like talking to people who are really in the know, even more than I am in the know, there's a growing sense that it's more likely that one quarterback gets drafted in the first round, then three. Wow. So, all right. So what do you though think about Shador as a prospect? Because I, you, this is now going to, you're going to go head to head with your childhood friend and our boss, Dave Portnoy, who said that he is putting his foot on, like stamping is getting on the soap box, line in the sand, Shador Sanders is gonna be a great pro,

pro bowl type player, where you land on Shador Sanders as a player. Yeah, I mean, Portland, I've been fighting since we were nine years old. He's a very accomplished scout. Get out of here. Well, he also, then our own company found, I think it was Mack Jones, Daniel Jones,

and then there was one other, maybe it was Johnny Manziel, where he's like, I'll put my reputation on these guys. Right. He's like, you know, he's like the cat with the lives, right? He just, he just gets to keep drawing lines in the sand and then it gets, That's what happens to the line in the sand. Yeah. So I like Shador. I'm not lying in the sand. Like I like Shador, but I'm all like, can we have some intelligence with the conversation? The intelligence is like, I don't want him in a system that doesn't

fit him. It's like so much of this is about where they land. And I know no one wants to talk about it because it's not sexy and fun pre-draft. But if you told me that he went to Cleveland, even in that weather and playing in that division, if you told me that he went to Cleveland even in that weather and playing in that division If you told me he went to Cleveland and had a year or two And he doesn't even need it as much as some of the other guys do But if he had a little time wasn't forced in right away and had Kevin Stefanski I told you Kellen Moore is is is dark shuck Brian Dabble's dark shuck

Kevin Stefanski is one games with guys who aren't the biggest, aren't the most mobile, don't have the biggest arm, but process and like lightning fast and are accurate throwing the ball and get the ball out quickly in that West Coast system and lead receivers to yards after catch. That's what Sjodor is. So Stefanski would be perfect for him. I me. He won 11 games with Kirk Cousins. Who was it? MacNown? Who was the quarterback before he won 10 or 11 games. So he's one guy won games a lot of games with guys that don't have that great mobility size arm

strength. I think he'd be perfect with Chador. But I haven't heard anything on Cleveland. And in fact, I was told, do not expect Cleveland to trade up. If someone falls in their lap, yeah, but don't expect them to trade up, which would be interesting too, because if you do stick and pick it too, and you get his teammate Travis Hunter, and everyone's sitting there, we're picked 24, 25. Where's Cleveland? So that'll be fascinating to watch too Yeah, I could see the Steelers on the clock at 21 there the camera is live on them in the war room and Mike Tomlin picks up the phone, but it's a call from Aaron Rodgers Who's drafting himself onto the Steelers just letting them hey? I've made my decision. I'm ready to say I'm gonna play

I thought for a while. It was gonna be Aaron Announcing that he was going to Pittsburgh at that big night night out or whatever it was. Yeah, I did too. That didn't happen. And then we had the McAfee interview. Yeah. And and my guy, Mench was saying all along, like, you know, he's going to be in Green Bay. Like he did it. I was in Cleveland. I'll never forget. We're getting ready for the draft. We get all these hits for Sports Center and NFL Live getting ready and previewing it. I was in Cleveland. I'll never forget. We're getting ready for the draft. We get all these hits for Sports Center and NFL Live getting ready and previewing it. And what are we hearing? And where are you guys going to go? And all of a sudden, it's like everyone stepped down, you know, a Schefter come on up. And it was Aaron Rodgers for like an hour and a half leading up to the draft. Yeah. Yeah. So that wouldn't have shocked me.

But I kind of think it's we're going to go through like a little dead period. And I think I think that he will be true to what he was saying. And he needs a little time, but we'll have to see. So one one guy we haven't talked a lot about because he's a presumptive number one overall pick, Cam Ward to the Titans. He's been just glazing his teammates on the Titans on live streams. I don't know if you've seen that. But a good teammate. I would say good teammate on his his part.

But can you just tell us what you project him as as an NFL quarterback because it's just been yeah He's gonna go number one overall and then we move on to try to figure out what every other team is gonna do But in terms of him as a player for the Titans, how would you have him graded in some of the you know? The last handfuls of drafts. I think the conversation would have started at QB for less last year with Ken Ward I think with the other guy with Chador and dart it would have started probably at QB4 last year with Cam Ward. I think with the other guy with Shador and Dart it would have started probably at QB, if I'm being honest QB6, but for most people QB7. I didn't have Bo Nicks as high as some other, I had a second round grain on Bo Nicks so I was wrong on that so far. But Cam, when you watch the tape and you study the the the cut-ups of him in rhythm on time When the when he gets to the top of his drop foot foot in there

Receivers where he's supposed to be and drives it he's an absolute sniper and I think that's what Brian Callahan is is Looking at and like I'm gonna channel that guy Just like when Andy Reid and Brett Veach, the GM for the chiefs, watched Patrick Mahomes and he's drifting and kind of just throwing it from every arm angle. And it was an absolute mess at Texas Tech, but a beautiful mess, but still a mess. You know, um, they, they saw when you go and you isolate those clips, when he's actually in rhythm and running within the, you know, the constructs of the offense, it was brilliant.

It's the same thing with Cam. I think Brian Callahan, the coach, is absolutely qualified to help in his development. He started his career with Peyton Manning in Denver. Matthew Stafford he spent a lot of time with. He obviously, Joe Burrow brought them to the Super Bowl. So he's been around greatness. I mean, like the highest level greatness at the quarterback position and has helped in the process along the way learned and helped. So I like that fit. And I think Cam needs channeling. Patrick Mahomes needed channeling, but they both share a similar trait. I'm not doing

the Mahomes and Cam Ward thing here. I'm not. I'm just saying, one of the special traits for Cam is that he feels the pressure, knows it's coming, but he's going to let you take another step or two towards him because then you're leveraged out. It's like the old shh and out the way. Instead of some of these other guys, you watch the panic, the drifting, the racing out of the pocket, and things get scrambled. He's unbelievably calm. And and he is thinking a step ahead. And I think if you channel what he does, in terms of in the pocket on time, and then you allow allow him to still utilize those traits, when the initial play breaks

down you could have something pretty special with camp. Yeah. Who are the what are the wild card teams on Thursday night. What are the teams that were like hey we don't know what they're gonna do. They could trade up. It might not be a drastic trade like going up to two or three but you've heard they're going to move around or they might love someone that's going to shock people. Are there any of those teams out there? The Houston Texans, there's some noise that they're trying to move up for an offensive lineman. Dallas is going to be interesting. You're just kind of sensing that something's going on there. A lot of people have thought Tet McMillan to Dallas

at 12. Now we're here in Jacksonville. I don't know if that would force their hand and they like them that much. I've got them ranked 50th on my board. I see the talent. There's a lot of other stuff I don't trust with Tet McMillan. So we'll see about that. Philadelphia's Howie Roseman can't sit still. So whether it's moving up, moving back at 32. But I do think Mason Taylor's an intriguing prospect for them with Dallas Goddard in the situation there. And the Rams, the Rams, could that be a quarterback team where they just all of a sudden out of nowhere decided, yeah, we're going to take Jackson Darder if he's there. So obviously with Stafford and his situation, I don't plan

on that, but it's, it's just something to keep an eye on. Okay. Are there any guys from, from smaller schools that you're keeping your eye on? Graze Abel, one of my favorites in this draft North Dakota state. They were like, like Tyron Armstead, Cody mock Quinn miners. All these guys show up at the senior bowl have awesome weeks, disprove the small school level and go on to have really brilliant careers and get drafted in all sorts of different ranges, but go on to have really good careers. Graze Able moves differently than every interior offensive lineman in this draft. I think he could go as high as 18 to Seattle.

Okay. Okay. What about your QBs? So how do you have your QBs ranked and then maybe give us the QB that you love that's ranked in the, let's say, four to eight range or five to eight range where you're like, hey, this is a project, but this is someone that I could see a team taking a shot at third, fourth round where it's like, this could be a guy sometime soon. So I've got cam ward one, Jackson dart to should or Sanders three, Tyler Shuck for Jalen Millrow five and will, will Howard six. Um, Tyler Shucks, one of my favorites, man. And I got to spend a little bit of time with him at the combine. He's 25, going to be 26 during the season, I believe. He had three season-ending injuries, all bone breaks.

Injury prone, you could call them, or fluke injuries. When he first started out at Oregon, he's been to three different schools, seven years in college. He was in he was in the recruiting class with Trevor Lawrence. He was the backup to Justin Herbert at Oregon his freshman year. He's been around that long. Those guys are like going, you know, second contracts and all that. He's matured a lot. And I know one wants to hear the you know, the touchy feely fun stuff with quarterbacks and but like you got to got to know who you are as a human being. If you're going to take over an organization, be handed the keys at some point in a year or two and look in that huddle. If you do

huddle and grown ass men, they're looking back at you and like got no time for some pop. He's like had football, like he was carted off the field, thought he would never play again. He's just been through a lot. And I look at him and I'm like, the biggest negative I have and talking to teams, this is the problem. Seven years but only in this age, but only one year of starting experience one full year, right at Louisville this past year. But he's with the Brahm brothers who know how to, you know, coach quarterbacks, he's developed unbelievably well in the past year, year plus. And he can step in and I think he's going to shock people when he plays. He's bigger than the rest of these quarterbacks. He's got

a stronger arm than the probably the rest of these quarterbacks, maybe the same level as Cam Ward. He's faster on a straight line than all these guys outside of Jalen Milro, the top four guys for me. He's the fastest of all of them when he tucks and runs. The traits are there, the experience is there, the maturity is there. I would love to see him, whether it's the Giants with Brian Dable, the New Orleans Saints picking at 40. One of those teams is not going to wind up with Chidor, is not going to wind up with Jackson Dart. And I would love to see him with one of those two spots with an opportunity in a year to

take over the reins and see what he can do. I think he's going to be a big surprise in this class. Interesting. What about the wide receivers? How do you have them ranked? I'm way different than a lot of people. I like that. Yeah, it's good way different. I've got

Number one receivers Matthew golden at route running Christmas Christmas 4 to 9 40 yard dash second fastest player at the combine and the questions about her We're the top end speed great. He's not great after the catch in terms of making guys miss But if he catches a crease he's gone vertical speed adjust to the ball. I like Golden one. Then the big surprise probably for most people would be Jalen Noll from Iowa State. I've got him at number two at the wide receiver position. He is so explosive. Yeah, he's undersized. Yeah, he's probably going to be a slot. Fine. But look at Lad McConkey last year and what he came in, he's probably going to going to be a slot. Like that, fine. But like, look at Lad McConkey last year and what he came in, like, he's probably going to have to be a slot. I don't know. And McConkey was one of the best rookie receivers in the class

that was like legendary for rookie production and wide receiver. So I think Noel is going to be probably a second round pick. He's not getting to the third, but not going to be in the first. So a second round pick. And think he's going to way out play his draft slot. After that, I've got a Mecca Ibuka from Ohio State, another probably slot receiver but consistent, a lot of production. And then I like the other Iowa State two guy, two, the Jaden Higgins. Big 6'3 plus physical receiver, great getting off the press. Those are my top four and Ted McMillan is down there and at number 50 overall, as I said, And then Burden because that's like Ted.

Yeah, Luther Burden. I actually have before Ted and Luther Burden comes with a handful of stuff and red flags and all that. But, but he is, he's not Debo. Everyone wants to say he's Debo, but I get the comp in that he's physical, explosive after the catch, versatile. You can do a lot of different things with him never gonna be your best route runner, but if you can get him the football, he's gonna make a lot of plays.

I don't know if you watched the same film I watched, but as a scout, Tet had this one catch. He wasn't wearing pads, no big deal, but he jumped up in the air, caught it, and then put the ball between his legs before he landed. Did you see that? And if you haven't- I did, did that change your mind at all? Clearly not. I just turned in my final top 300. It'll post tonight. The McShay report.

Google it. Subscribe people. Come on. Club McShayshay. Give us, give us. Maybe not. Maybe not right now. Yeah, not right now. No, no, that's right. You shouldn't have laughed. You're in trouble. Give us another, another guy who may be in the second or. No, no, that's right. Yeah. Give us another, uh, another guy who maybe in the second or third round, any position that you are, you love and you're like, when

you hear this name, because that's what we, we love about the drafts is like, we're all going to sell ourselves on whatever ends up happening. Yeah. Be like, this is a guy. But if you hear it first from McShay, it's just confirmation bias. Whoever's listening and rooting for that team, they're like, yeah, McShea said that. JT Tui Mo La Lau. I've had to practice that name. Tui Mo La Lau from Ohio State. I just like him. I went back, I think I had prospect fatigue over time. The first report I wrote on him was in the summer of 2022. We're now going in the summer of 2025. So like it was the same guy over

and over again, but this year he took it to another level. This year's draft, I agree with Daniel Jeremiah, it's not great at the top. There's not as many elite players at the top as you'd like to see. But teams are looking for starters. And if you're a base four, three defense plugin, like he's going to be seven, nine sacks a year batted down passes effort gap can like he is nothing like overly sexy about his game. But he's going to be one of those guys who like eight, nine years in we're like he's still doing it at a high level. Right. I like JTT. I think Trevion Henderson, if put in the right spot, like the Jameer Gibbs spot that he was put in has got a chance to be special. Don't rule him out as a first round draft pick. In fact, I've

talked to teams that have them rated higher than Omarion Hampton. And there's a growing sense that he could wind up being RB2 in this class. So that that's intriguing. Elijah Arroyo, like we so much time has been spent on Tyler Warren and Colston Loveland and rightfully so and Mason Taylor could sneak in at 32. Right? There's gonna be a team that gets Arroyo out of Miami and if he can stay healthy, which you could say about every prospect, but he's had struggles with durability. He is so explosive and like his ability to get down the seam, run routes down the field, he's like a different level.

And the thing, normally these like Kelsey types, the F tight end, the flex out tight end, they don't block all that well. This guy's got some prick in him, man. Like he loves it. He will embarrass you on tape. So I just, I think Arroyo is gonna wind up really out playing where he winds up getting drafted,

which is probably gonna be somewhere in like the 40s or early 50s, but I think Arroyo is an absolute player. Where do you see the Washington commanders going this year? Cause they're an interesting team. On paper, they make the NFC championship game, but then you look at the roster and you think to yourself, they, they do have a lot of holes. They've got a lot of places that they have to, they have to get much younger at because we've been doing one year rentals on a lot of people. So what direction do you see them going?

I think edges a spot that they'd like to be able to go. They're not, I don't think they're stuck drafting there. We've got a bunch of guys who are going to come off the board. And I think earlier than people expected, now that I'm talking to teams, I think it's going to be Carter at three, Abdul Carter at three. I think Jaylen Walker is going to go maybe as early as the Jets at six. And then if not, a couple picks later, I think Michael Williams could go as early as let's say eight to Carolina. I think Shemar Stewart could go shortly thereafter. Maybe it's nine to the Saints. I think James Pierce could go like 15 to Atlanta. I think Shemar Stewart could go shortly thereafter. Maybe it's nine to the Saints. I think James Pierce could go like 15 to Atlanta, Mike Green, maybe 17 to Cincinnati. And all of a

sudden you look up, you're like, shit, we're pick 18. And we said, what I just list off like seven guys. Yeah. So I don't know there's going to be like Donovan Esoraku from BC is really, really a savvy, proficient edge rusher. I just don't know that he's got that, like he's shorter. He's not the fastest, most explosive guy. I think he's probably going to be early too. Why not, why not Trevion Henderson there? Yeah. Yeah. It would make sense. Like I get it like cornerback edge or bigger needs. But if if Jode Baron and Will Johnson and Maxwell Hairston are all off the board and all those edges are off the board and you can't trade back.

I don't know like get it just getting a weapon in the passing game and adding that you know with with Brian Robinson what you already have and I just I think he's got a chance to elevate like Gibbs did maybe not quite to that level but to take an offense that's explosive and to do like just a little you know just a little more nudge where now you got to account for this guy who's a 4-4 catches the ball out of the backfield will will protect to yeah and his buddy Quinshaw Judkins. Their past protection tape is fun to watch. So I could see Henderson is as a as someone who's on the shortlist as a possibility. Yeah, I mean, Eckler did a pretty good job with that last year. But we you know, he's not getting

any younger. And on third down for Jayden, he likes to he likes to find the running backs, move the sticks. That would make a lot of sense to me. I would personally like to see Malachi Starks. I love watching that. You see that Jeremy Chin's gone. Yeah. The safeties are I mean, you talk about polar opposites like the spectrum, right? You've got Nick Eamon Warriors, like six, three, 220, like, broke the broad jump record of the combine by four inches and had the best over 200 pounds like the the best vertical jump of any player ever except just Insane workout and his tape is really good and interesting but like you talk about the kind of the football character stuff and and Focus issues and kind of in and out of things and the aggressiveness in the run support

So there's this like balancing act with him. The traits are unbelievable. But what are we are we sure that this is a first round talent, first round guy that we want to bring in? Then you get Starks who's like, Kirby smart talks about him almost as glowingly as Nick Saban talked about Will Anderson a couple years ago, okay. Just loves ball, team first, prepare, does all the little things, smooth move on tape, is beautiful moving smooth

and and and like aggressive and plays fast and comes up and hits and all the things and he's a first round talent on tape but then he worked out and it was like third worst this second worst this like among the safeties in the class and didn't run very well. And so I think I do think the safeties if they come off the board in the first round will be very late, like that 27 to 32 range. But I could see a scenario too where where neither guy gets drafted by the end of night one. Yeah. Yeah. Are you a guy that puts any stock into drafting captains? Like you give a little bonus like a gold star if they're a captain on their college team You get my attention when you're like a three-year captain. Yeah, okay, and you get my attention when you've transferred in

From somewhere and you're immediately you you earned a captain you were able to in that little window of like three four four, five months become a captain before the week, week one of the season. But there's a lot of captains out there. Yeah. But yeah, I'd prefer a captain over a non-captain. Yeah. All right. I got one last question for you. Always been awesome having you on Todd. Go check out the Todd McShay show on Ringer. You're going to have to watch Ryan Russo hopefully run a 40 yard dash on Saturday live from his house. Last question, rollback question. R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts,

rollback.com promo code take. I think we've asked this before, but I want to ask it again, just because it's fun to look back. What was your number one, like, I nailed that and no one else had it and your number one, I was way off on this person and I should have realized it. Okay. I hate when it's the negative stuff, but I, I, I still go back to like, to Brady Quinn and, and, uh, Tim Tebow, Brady Quinn, but it wasn't,. Was it Quinn? No, it was Claussen with Kuiper.

Yeah, Claussen with Kuiper. Yeah. I had a good run on shutting Kuiper down on some quarterbacks with Claussen and Quinn. I think he had an agent who represented some of those Notre Dame guys, bumped them up. But I mean, I got him to promise to retire and he's still going. So that didn't work out. But what was your best got him to promise to retire and he's still going. That didn't work out. But what was your best? What's your number one where you're like, I had that guy before everyone else before everyone else or you or you were, you were different. Like say, for example, this year, if you're, if your wide receiver board turns out to be correct,

you'll be very, you'll be vindicated because everyone has Ted going, you know, as the best and you have them as the fifth. I had Malik neighbors last year the number one receiver if that's good that matters anything. Yeah although Brian Thomas was very good. Yeah Brian Thomas was very good. Marvin Harrison jr. will be very good. I don't know. I don't like to sit here and come on like that. Yeah. Pump yourself up. I still like. Yeah, I don't know. Would you say they'll say this? The quarterbacks have always been the hardest. Like bone next last year I talked about. Um, Joe Marcus Russell was, was the, was the one. Obviously. But there were a lot of people in the league that didn't like to Marcus. I had the wrong information.

My goodness. I've never talked about learning a hard lesson early on when he's on his knee Obviously, yeah, but there were a lot of people in the league that didn't like to Marcus I had the wrong information my goodness I've never talked about learning a hard lesson early on when he's on his knee like throwing 60 yards hit the goalpost And you're you're like a 25 year old scout or send sent for me SPN to do the first pro day ever and you see that and you're like, oh my god Yeah, how could this go wrong? Yeah. And then, and then when he's sitting in the sideline doing interviews and sitting on the ground and media is coming up and putting the microphones in front of them. And I ask them, asking people at LSU, like what, why is he sitting like, Oh, he's just chill. You know, he's like relaxed and that's part of

the reason he's so good. And then it turns out like, no, that dude's just lazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I like what you said about Bo Nicks too. I was wrong. I'm wrong so far. Yeah. On Bo Nicks. Yeah. What's the year? How many years do you give it until you like after three? Then you give it up. Sam Darnold. I'm still like Sam Darnold. I love you, buddy. You know, like I had I loved Sam Darnold in that class. Loved him. So you're still you're still holding on a little bit of stock. You're being like, I didn't know. He was the best quarterback in the league for like 12, 12, 13 weeks last year.

It's true. It's true. So it's coming around. So if you're going to give up after year three, usually by year three, but not always. I do kind of feel bad for the scouts that spend all year studying guys, certain guys, and they fall in love with these guys. And they're like, I need you on my team. And then some other team swoops in and takes them beforehand. How are you supposed to detangle yourself from that relationship that you've built up?

You've watched every play he's made, you've hung out with him. You've met his family and now you're like- It's real, man. It's real. And that's why every team gives, whether it's like the gold star the red star the red dot like they Allow their scouts to go up to the board and be like pick your one Pick your guy And they do their best if in the right situation and they'll they'll take it over a player with a similar grade and all that

But they do get to know him like these scouts man, I Know no one wants to hear it in Crimea River, they work for NFL teams, but like what they get paid for the work they do. Talking to them now, like I've talked to a good friend who's in the southeast and like it used to be like 1213 players in the summer they're evaluating and now like NIL and transfer portal and guys all over the place. And it old missed it was

12 or 13, and this year he had 30 players he had to write up in the summer. And it's not just like watching tape. It's like, like you said, like getting to know the background, like all the history, who's in charge of this guy. Now who's the agent of this guy?

What deals he, it's a lot of work that goes into all these individuals in a region. And then you handpick a few guys that you like absolutely love, you believe in, you present that to the general manager and they do their best. But odds are, I mean, maybe you get one or two guys at best from your entire region in a draft. And then you're looking at these reports like a binder this big and files and it's just all it's all gone. Yeah, wild profession.

Yeah, there should be a scout of the year award. Because we don't celebrate the Scouts. Actually, we'll give it. We'll give it to us. Yeah, we'll give it to us. We picked Josh Allen. Yeah, I'll never forget. That was like one of my I mean, obviously we did like the combine together and all,

but that was the first time being out in a real setting professionally with you clowns. Yeah, at the combine. Just pass it out. What is going on with you guys? You guys are like going up to GMs and coaches. Yeah. You saw his arm, right? Yeah.

Pass it out the sheet. At that point, no one really knew what your whole deal was. Yeah. And like media was staunch back then Yeah, you got you had to have like permission and go through You know the certain channels to talk to a general manager head go and you guys were just like yeah So his big arm, right? You guys yeah

I know those guys shit I'm just time. I was just time big cat in a 40. Yeah. Yeah. Well, a grandma walked by. We think you might like this piece of literature, sir. Like Jehovah's witnesses for Josh. The pamphlet we used to call it the varsity pamphlet. Yeah. Yeah. Now, but there should be the last laugh. Yeah. He's laughing at his looking out at the water right now in Miami. Yeah. There should be a scout of the year award. Yeah. We'll give it. We'll give it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right, Todd, you're the best. Appreciate you. Everyone tuned into his show on the ringer and best of luck on the draft. Let's, let's,

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Okay, we now welcome on a very good friend of ours, recurring guest. It is Green Bay Packers head coach Matt LaFleur. Coach, it's draft season. We wanted to catch up with you, talk some draft, but thank you for coming on. Let's start though. How would you grade your NFL head coach's picture at the league meetings a couple of weeks ago? How would you think you did? Personally, I give myself a B.

Okay. I think I had you in the hot guy crew. Uh, the, the hot boy crew with you, can Alice Sean McVay and to meet go Ryan's is so that's a pretty, that's a pretty good crew. I'll, I'll take that all day. Yeah. Yeah. So do you think though that NFL head coaches are getting too hot because like I, like we lost Matt rule who Matt rule can dress up all he wants. He's going to look like Matt rule. Do you think that you guys are maybe getting a little too hot and we're losing a piece of that game? Yeah, I don't worry about that. That's you know, I do take a lot of, um, I love watching your write ups on all of us. So I think that's

very entertaining. Yes. Yes. But I mean, you definitely, we know Sean definitely takes, he thinks about his looks. Sean takes a lot of pride in that. Yeah. He had the PRP injections to grow the beard out a little bit. So yeah.

So what you're saying is a lot of things. He's Hollywood though. Yeah, that's true. He's right there. Can you blame him? Yeah. So what you're saying is you're just naturally hot. You're not trying to do it at all. Whereas, whereas coach McVeigh is

he's trying to do it. He's got to get dressed up and have everyone, you know, he's, he's spending money on his face and everything. You're just, you're just rolling out of bed. Good looking. Well, the Arthur Smith said otherwise. He said I spent a lot of time on my hair and all that, which I can't say he's totally wrong. Yeah. Yeah. We do miss Arthur Smith and Lee too. Like as a, uh, as a head coach having him in that picture was a, that was a nice touch too. Yeah. No, ours the best. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, so coach you're, are you hosting the draft? Are you, do you have any hosting responsibilities?

Yeah. Are they staying at your house? I have no hosting responsibilities. Oh, so nothing, nothing additional. Are you going to be at the team facility? Are you going to be like at the physical draft itself? Well, yeah, technically since it's here, but I'll be in the same draft room that I've been in the last, well, I guess it was our first year in our new portion of our building. So I'll be up there in the draft room on the second floor, but it kind of Goody's office is right around the corner so you can overlook and see what's going on outside. Oh, all right.

So can you break down, I know this might be boring for some people, but I'm actually fascinated with it. Like your actual draft day schedule, like what time does it get cooking? What time do you guys sit down? You obviously have done all the work, but like, how does it work just sitting there in the war room and like, you know, the bolts are flying, you're trying to figure everything out. Honestly, it's, it's just kind of a waiting game. Especially we're picking 23rd this year and there's a lot of unknowns I would say in this draft in particular, probably more so in this one than there is in previous

years just in terms of there's not, I would say a clear consensus in terms of how some of these guys are going to fall and it's always a little bit of a crap shoot, but it's a lot of waiting around, but you can feel it starts to get tense the closer you are to making your selection. Yeah. So what's the snack situation like in your draft war room? We got a lot of scouts that like to eat, and so I'd say there's some pretty good snacks floating around.

Yeah. Who are you guys going to pick? That's a hell of a question. I Thought I thought I got you I thought I was gonna have I feel like the Green Bay Beat-writers always know who you're gonna pick before just because they know like you guys have a type You're like the Ravens like the Packers and Ravens It feels like they always get the guy that they wanted to get and he ends up being good and it's like god damn it it happened again It's not always the case, but that's why you want to be successful through the

draft. And thankfully our guys have done a pretty good job. All right. So, so w like when the pick, when you get closer to your pick, obviously you're not the GM, but you are the head coach. Are you, are you being asked, are you, are you like weighing in or are you just like, Hey, you guys have been doing all the work I'm gonna go coach the team you guys been doing the scouting like I defer to you Or do you get do you throw in like some thoughts and everything? Oh Yeah, absolutely. I think the I'm sitting right next to goodie and and the rest of our our scouting department and

you know, sometimes there's there's more conversation than others, but yeah, I absolutely weigh in, especially as we're getting close. And usually there's a couple guys within the range that you're kind of targeting and you kind of weigh in and give your thoughts and then, you know, just wait to see who we pick. Yeah. Do you guys still use the same draft chart, the one that Jimmy Johnson came up with, where he assigned all the numbers, the different values for each pick?

Oh, yeah, there's a couple of them out there. That is one of them that we have all this stuff up on the screen, on your computer screen, and especially when you start talking about trades and you hear the phones ring. And I would say there's a lot of scouts in the room, And especially when you start talking about trades and you hear the phones ring and each, I would say there's a lot of scouts in the room and most of the scouts have a team

that they're in communication with. So as those trades get thrown around, you start comparing and see where it falls and those draft charts, they're all a little bit different. We have our own draft chart as a matter of fact, but we always use all those to compare in terms of where the value is. Yeah. Do you guys ever, has it ever come down to like the last second and you guys don't have your pick in? Has there ever been pressure on the clock that way? Cause I remember the Vikings,

they got, they, I think twice, they didn't submit their pick on time and lost their pick. Yeah. That's, I mean, it hasn't happened in my experience here, but, um, yeah, usually you have some, you always have a plan B if, if something doesn't go through the way you want it, you always have something down just so that doesn't happen. Yeah. Do you, uh, text with any of your friends who are in different organizations, coaches, scouts, whatever, and like bust their balls, like in a fantasy draft being like, that was a reach like, Oh, we had a third round grade on him. I would do that. Do you not? I would say you usually just compliment when somebody that you like. And then there's some laughter within the the draft room sometimes like

i can't believe they just took whoever that may be but uh typically we kind of keep that in house okay okay yeah because i would definitely not be able to help myself and yeah like even if it wasn't true i'd just be like dude i had a third round third day uh grade on this guy i think i'm gonna try that approach this year. Yeah. Just because you how they react. It will get in someone's head like that. When you draft in fantasy football and someone says, Ooh, that's a reach. You're just like, fuck, was that a reach? Even if they're fucking with you, you definitely get in your head and then you, you start making crazy decisions. I think I'm gonna have to try it. Yeah. Well now if,

if any other coaches are listening to this interview and they don't get a text from you being like good pick Then they're gonna be in their own head thinking like why didn't I get the good good pick text from Matt? You must think that pick sucks. We set that up one thing I would also do if I was a coach I Would I would probably forget to do my draft prep and then read a mock draft like on my way into the office that day And be like, oh shit. Okay. Now I'm good. Now I'm good. Do you ever read the mock drafts and think yourself like these guys have no fucking idea of what we're, what we're talking about?

Yeah. But I usually try not to look at any like mock drafts or any draft evaluations till the, till the very end of it. Yeah. Cause sometimes you're, you're like, well, maybe I'm missing something, but you just don't want that to really factor into the work that you do watching the players and getting to know them. Yeah. You know, what you need to do too is we've found in our travels that NFL scouts actually listen to this show like more than probably any profession because they're in the car all the time. And I've talked to them about it. We're like, we've gone to college games

where we'll see a bunch of scouts and they'll come up and talk to us. I'm like, why are you listening to us? We're morons. They're like, well, we kind of, we live football and we kind of want to shut off our brains and listen to you guys be idiots. And I was like, actually that's a fair, fair response.

So you, but I would imagine a scout listening to us too much is bad for like their brain and scouting. So you should probably throw a test out there to see, like maybe, maybe be like, hey, you guys here, Max get pranked by Jerry O'Connell with Big Dom. And if anyone says they had, just be like, you're out. Get out of here. If you listen too much.

Yeah. Well, you guys are so entertaining, you know? I mean, I don't know. I think it's just good for them to feel smart about themselves. Yeah, I listen to us and they're like, okay, yeah, I know what I'm talking about. These guys don't. Right. Well, that's part of it too. Right.

You basically, I would imagine a scout, like if they're out on the road 200 days a year, they're toiling away trying to find the next, you know, diamond in a rough. They turn us on and they're like, hey, at least I'm not dumb like these guys. Like it's almost like a confidence, like I can still do this. I can still scout football. I don't think you guys are that dumb. We had a, I think I personally had a first overall grade on Joe Milton last year. He still do! Yeah, you probably, when you were scouting Joe Milton, were you like,

man, that guy can throw a football a fucking mile? Yeah, he can throw a mile. Yeah, I love watching him. Yeah, I have. I have a real like big J question for you. I need to hold your feet to the fire

on something. A big J? Yeah, big J. Journalist. OK, why are you afraid of the tush push? Oh, I Okay. Why are you afraid of the tush push? Mmm. Oh, I'm... Why are you scared of it?

It's just a play. You can do it. You're being kind of a pussy about it. Well, I don't want to get into how I really feel about it. So, like, I'm good with whatever they wanted to decide and do. Mm-hmm. I'm going to adapt. But it has been a pretty damn successful play. Ironically enough, we actually do better when we don't do the tush push.

Wait, so, but how do you actually feel? You don't like it? No, I mean, I'm indifferent, to be honest with you. What does it feel like when you know the tush push is coming though? That's gotta suck. Well, yeah, you know, I mean, they're in a favorable situation because it's still like, you know, almost 90% effective. So it's a tough play to stop. That's for sure. And especially with

how Philly's done it and Jaylen does a great job. But I think, I really think it all starts upfront. Those guys do a really good job of getting low and allowing Jaylen to use his, uh, percolian leg strength to push the pile forward. Yeah. Yeah. If you're allowed to do the tush push, I think you should be allowed to do the thing that Frankie Louvo did, which is just jump over the line repeatedly and hit somebody. Well, see, I think that's what we're trying to avoid, right?

Right. Yeah. But that's still fun. It's like the defense has the ability to do that. I just I thought it was very funny when the ref was like, if you do it again, we're going to award a touchdown. I'd never heard that before. Nor neither did I. Yeah. The sidebar.

I didn't know that was I didn't know they could do that. It's a real rule. Yeah. It is a real rule. Sidebar PFT. We won't let coach listen this But I read a theory that the Packers actually were like being the sacrificial lamb in Trying to ban the tush push because they don't have an owner because they're weirdos like that And you can't get that was mad at one owner So like all the other teams wanted the tush push banned, but the Packers are like will will propose it

We'll say it and then everybody will just be mad at us. Right. Yeah. Oh hey, what's up coach? You still there? I'm here, I'm here. All right, so the real question is, and he's my coach now, Ben Johnson,

you got beef with him. So well, he called you out. I don't have beef with Ben. Yeah, so have you guys ever talked, and listen, he can squat 400 pounds. I don't know if you probably can't squat 400 pounds. I don't know. I'd like to see that. Yeah. He'll show it to you. That's fine. He also has a mean, I don't know if you saw his first pitch at Wrigley on Saturday. It was, Oh, of course you saw it. You saw

it. You probably didn't see it because it was too fast. Yeah, it was too fast. It had late breaking action. You would have struck out a hundred times out of a hundred times, but you're probably right. Cause I'd never played baseball. I was not a baseball guy. Okay. Nice excuse. Uh, when he said your name though, were you like, what the heck? I'd never even talked to him. Well, it's funny cause a lot of people reached out to me and they're like, how well do you know Ben?

And I was like, I don't, but you know. It's good for the rivalry. You need to watch the pitch though, because it was, it was some nasty stuff. It was like Greg Maddux. Really? Yeah. It was, I think the most impressive first pitch that I've seen in a very long time. But yeah, when he, when he brought your name up, I think everybody was like, Oh, the old

buddies just jabbing each other. Like, do you, do you, do you work like 0.0001 percent harder because he said that anytime I'm just lacking a little motivation, I just think about that. And you know, it usually gets me over the hump. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of like, like you could do the old, like you got to beat the Packers. He just went more personal level. You know what I mean? He's like, gotta, gotta go after Matt LaFleur. Make it personal. Yeah. Last time I checked it, I thought it was Packers, Bears. No, it's Matt LaFleur, Ben Johnson. Squat, squat fest. We're going to do a squat fest. I love that. I mean, you, you haven't beaten the-

That's pretty impressive. Peek and squat 400 pounds. Yep. I think it's 405. That's really impressive. You haven't beaten the, the Bears in 2025. Have you? We have not we have been yes Yep. Yeah. Yeah, there was a game. So maybe maybe a shifting of the tides, right? I do want to give you some credit though for your coaching job this year Because I thought what you did when Malik Willis came in to the outsider It looked like you were calling You were empty in the bag when Malik was out there the way the outsider, it looked like you were calling, uh, you were

empty in the bag when Malik was out there, the way that you were like designing the running place. Was that a fun week of work for you when you're like, I am going to need to figure out a tale of this offense and, and win a football game. It seemed like you were having fun calling those plays. Well, I got to give our staff a ton of credit guys like Adam Stinovich. I mean, he's really the mastermind behind our run game. And so a lot of times we'll build off our run game.

We'll build our passing game off that. So yeah, he, he definitely, we, we have a saying around here. The only thing that limits you is your imagination. And he, he's, he's got, he's pretty creative guy. That's like a Disney world saying it is. That's kind of lame. Uh, D I actually bet on you guys though, when Malik was, cause I, to give you credit, I was like, Matt LaFour is a very good coach and I think he's going to have Malik Willis in a great spot. And I was like, you know, there were a lot of people like Malik Willis can't play him. Like coaching

matters a lot and you guys, like were a lot of people like Malik Willis can't play him like coaching matters a lot. And you guys like you had the game plan for him. Yeah, and he went out there. What was so impressive about what he did. He'd been here for three weeks before he started his first game and I don't know too many guys that could handle that type of situation and it's a credit to him and the guys around him being able to go out there and execute the plan. What, this year, I feel like you got a little angrier

this year. Are you working on your anger? I am, I am. What happened? Did you feel yourself getting angrier this year? Just in certain situations, you know, like when you call a timeout three times and they don't recognize it, you know, like when you call a timeout three times and they don't recognize it, you know, I think

You you kind of earn that right to get a little angry, right? Yeah Did you know that some people were calling you mad Laflore? Yeah, I did not I was unaware of that Yeah, you got mad you got mad You got triggered people were saying that in that game against the the Dolphins when you looked across the field You saw Mike McDaniel just like all bundled up and is in his very cozy park where you're like, we got this game. This guy can't coach in the cold. Yeah, but it's, it's never about us. It's always the players. No, that's a smart cop out answer. I like that. Uh, I saw a, uh, report that you're, you're bringing in a new ideas to keep

the Packers offense evolving. What new ideas are we talking about? Is it the, is it PFT's lateral? Is it my fake punt punt? What are you doing? Well, I saw what Mike Leach said the other day. Yeah. Yeah. Or it was a report that he had said. Yeah. What before he passed? Yeah. That one would be good. Oh, that'd be great. Yeah. Would you sign the Rizzler? You know the Rizler is right? I don't know You're doing this smoke screen don't make us explain who the Rizler is cuz we probably would have the Promise you I don't know who the you just don't want the Vikings to draft him. You're like that We've got him on our big board. He's the little kid that goes like this. Yeah, do you know baby Grock is?

Yeah, I do know who baby okay, so you know who the Rizler is you know who baby Gronk is? Uh, yeah, I do know who baby. Okay. So you know who the Rizler is. You don't know who the Rizler is. Big justice. I don't know who that is either. Oh man. And this is now you've reversed it on us because explaining it is just so embarrassing. Yeah. You don't need to know. I don't really want to explain who the Rizler is. Do you spend all day on social media or something? No, literally. Yes. No, that's our job. We're shit heads who sit on our phones all day. Do media or something? No, literally. Yes. No. That's our job. We're shitheads who sit on our phones all day. Do you have a burner? Do you do you look at social media?

You know, I try not to. I'm not going to say I never do because but I do not have a burner, but I try not to because, you know, I learned this lesson one time back when I was the coordinator for Tennessee. We had a game versus Philly. We won it over time and you know, I was feeling good about myself. I had like a 20-minute ride into work and they were saying great things on the radio and then the next week we went out and got smoked and so I just thought it was karma,

bad juju. I don't want any part of it, both good or bad. So I try to stay off of it as much as possible, which I think is impossible in today's world. But for the most part, I try to stay away from it. We probably pretty smart. We might've just relapsed you because you're going to walk away from this being like, who the hell is the Rizzo? I gotta find out. I can't Wallace, you know where the Rizzo? I gotta find out I can't Wallace, you know the Rizzo is Okay, he knows He's QB one in this rap

Scrimmage and easy touchdown every single time it makes a tush push look like the least effective play I wonder if my kids know who the Rizzo Definitely how old are your kids? My kids are 13 and 11 The Rizzo posters. They're actually going to make fun of me that I don't know who the Rizzo is. They actually probably will go. They'll probably say, yeah, dad, we knew about the Rizzo or that was six months ago. So they're going to not only make fun of you, but then make fun of us. Adjacently being like these guys are fucking losers too. So that's going to suck for us. You'll have to

update me if that happens. I got, I got kind of probably a dumb question. It might be a good question though, depending how you answer it. Have you, Sean and Kyle ever gotten like on the group chat together and said like, what if we just, what if we just all teamed up again on the same team one day, like maybe 20 years from now, you know how like the Eagles break up, they do their own side projects. They do a reunion tour. Has that ever been discussed? Yeah, I think it'd be great. We usually get together in other settings, you know? Mm hmm. Would you, are you closing the door on ever being on the same coaching staff again?

Absolutely not. Oh, I like that. Who would be the head coach? Ooh, we got some pretty strong personalities between Sean and Kyle. So, I don't know. Yeah. Um, I don't know. I don't know if they could coexist, you know, being same division all these years. Yeah. That's possible. That's true. Uh, when your former quarterback Aaron Rogers said that he's looking

for a culture like the Packers were you like Did you have a little smile on your face? You're like I told you so grass is always greener. No, I didn't know you said that Make me that does make me grin that makes me happy. Yeah. Yeah, he went to the Jets for two years He's like, god damn it I didn't realize What life was like? Yeah, what is for some of those crazy stories from the Jets? Yeah, my brother was the coordinator there So yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so were they true a Lot of them. Yes. Sorry memes or producers every time an article would come out about the Jets

He'd be like this is completely made up. He just attack all the journalists are fine. Diana Rossini, Floreo, he'd go after all of them. Is there is there one? Unfortunately, just between Sala and my brother, you know, there's some interesting stories. Yeah. Yeah. Is there one reporter that if they call you like, oh, shit, this person's called, they must have something. Yeah, is there one reporter that if they call you like gosh shit this person's called they must have something Not really. I I feel like most people don't even Reach out to me. So I kind of I don't I don't mess with that too much. Yeah

All right. So when you guys draft And then you bring them in for mini camp Is there like a do you have a feeling right away like all right we did this is good or like how quickly are you like I think this is someone that was gonna be here for a long time versus we got some work to do I think every situation is a little bit different because I know there's been some guys that we've gotten that you think this guy's gonna be a player and he fizzles out so So, but you know, everybody learns at a little different rate.

And I hate to be just a blah answer, but I feel like that's really how it is. You gotta get them in and you know, a lot of these guys just haven't been exposed to what they're gonna be asked to do at this level or the type of system that we may have. So I think you got to give these guys, you know, at least a year to figure it out. Yeah. All right. Off that is it, what would you say is more

demanding for a college, a guy getting drafted? Is it the physical side or the mental side of the NFL? I'd say both, but which one is more if you had to say, Ooh, I mean, I would probably say the mental side because you're probably not drafting them if they physically can't do what you want them to do anyways. So I think, and just, although the landscape of college has changed in terms of the length of these seasons now with, I

mean, some of these guys are playing 14 games, 15 games. So it's just the season has gotten longer in college football. And that's usually a big adjustment for guys coming to this level is, you know, you can the rookie wall. That's a real thing. Yeah, just the energy that these guys have. So yeah, but I think definitely the mental when it comes to new draft pick, how often are you in touch with them on like a one on one basis? Because as a coach, you have you have a lot of jobs, you get a lot of stuff that you have to do.

How much time do you carve out to like meet with them one-on-one and give them specific instructions? Again, it depends on the situation. I would try to spend a little bit of time with each guys or onboarding and getting a chance to know them throughout the course of the off season. But you're right. I mean, we've got a big roster size. We've got 90 guys in the off season, so it's impossible to spend as much time as you'd like with each guy. Yeah. One thing I love about draft night is the first time that a coach makes the call to the guy that he's about to draft. We always get to see those videos after the fact of that initial conversation that you're having. Do they have your number stored already? And they know when you're calling them like, Hey, this is the Green Bay Packers?

No, I don't believe so. I think it just shows up that the area code shows up and it shows up as Green Bay. But no, they definitely don't have our numbers. How many numbers do you have going into the draft? Well, I mean, we got a computer system. You just read the number and dial in the digits. All the players ready to go He kind of talked down to you there. Yeah, but no I'm saying you have to be able to

These guys numbers myself. Don't let him talk to you like that. You have to look at a screen But where do you get the I'm wondering how many numbers you make the call? Oh, so you got a guy It's beneath you to dial a phone It's beneath you to dial a phone. No, yeah. Well, maybe. This is gotcha journalism. All right. Well, coach, I got one last question for you.

Ro back question. RHOBACK.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, roback.com promo code take. So the draft is three days. At what point in the three days are you like enough already? Like I'm done sitting in this room. Because I feel like, or maybe you're used to it, just sitting in the three days are you like enough already? Like I'm done sitting in this room because I feel like or maybe you're used to it just sitting in the room and eating Eating food, you know take out every single day for three days in a row Maybe that's something you're used to but that's something we're used to are you built for it?

Are you like, you know halfway through Friday? You're like, alright, I'm I'm ready to go. I want my life back Yeah, I mean there's a lot of downtime. You're talking about hours for a quick selection and then you're just waiting. And the most brutal part of the draft process is watching all these players that you kind of fall in love with get picked by other teams. I mean, it's kind of painful to sit there and watch all these guys fly off the board and then inevitably it happens almost every year where you're in a position where you you got your target set on a guy and right before you picked, he gets picked.

So you got to pivot and go to another guy. Yeah. You got to get over it real fast. We'll send you some Rizler videos for the downtime, please do Have a lot of downtime where I can I can figure out who the Rizler is Do are you gonna like listen to any music on the way into work to get pumped up? No, I'm gonna listen to pardon my take. Oh, that'd make you dumb. I like that. Yeah, that'll make you really dumb Yeah, I'm gonna send you actually make me feel good going into the draft process, right? That's true.

That's what you guys told me. Yeah. Yep. I'm going to get a Rizzler compilation and send it to you. And then that way when your GM is looking over and being like, hey, coach, what do you think about this pick? And you just have the Rizzler up. It's going to be like, what the hell's going on?

Yeah. You're going to think much less of us after you watch two hours of the Rizzler up. It's going to be like, what the hell's going on? Yeah. You're going to think much less of us after you watch two hours of the Rizzler. The other thing I'm excited about, I got to see this, this first pitch. Yeah. Yeah. Really talk this up. Great late cutting action. Look like, look like Greg Maddox. Have you thrown the first pitch? I have never done that. What the Brewers never had you out on the first. We're just talking about this the other day is because you're scared. You're scared to do it. Well now I'm going to have to do it. Yeah. You're scared to do it. It's fine. It don't be scared. I've thrown three

first pitches. You think I'd get booed if I came to a Cubs game and throw out the first pitch? Yeah, probably. It would be fun though. But you should. That would actually be very fun. Actually, we should see if you come to a Cubs game throughout the first pitch. Yeah, probably. It would be fun though, but you should. That would actually be very fun. Actually, we should see if you come to a Cubs game throughout the first pitch have Ben Johnson in the box. He'll take you 400 feet. Maybe he can catch. Yeah. I want to see your first pitch. Now we got to, we got to get this. You don't be scared. I know you're scared. A lot of pressure. I can tell you're scared. Don't be scared. It's not that it's a lot of pressure and do you have to go from the rubber. I'm going to say that right now. If you don't go from the rubber, I will judge you. Yeah, of course. There's

a lot of guys who don't. There's a lot of guys who step up. No, I'm throwing from the mound. Okay. All right. Good. I got one last, last thing for you. Are you guys playing in Ireland this year? That's a great question. I can't wait to find out. Oh, you don't know? Yeah, you are. I promise you, I promise you, I do not know. I promise you. I feel like they should tell you about the international games a little bit sooner, right? Well, we knew last year we had a pretty good indication that we were playing Philly and Brazil.

But on this one, we're kind of in the dark right now, just kind of waiting. I know it's a possibility. Because I've read Packers Steelers in Dublin, Ireland. Oh wow. That would be fun. I think I'm sure they're waiting on Aaron Rodgers, whether or not. You can't get rid of this guy. Yeah.

He's holding up your life still somehow. If he goes to Pittsburgh, then I'm sure we'll probably be there. That's so perfect. That is just all leads back to Aaron's decisions. You just another off season waiting for Aaron's decision. If he goes to Pittsburgh, then I'm sure we'll probably be there. That's so perfect. That is just all leads back to Aaron's decisions. You just another offseason waiting for Aaron's decision. He misses that culture, though, man. Congrats on the culture. Yeah.

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Come on, sweetie. Hey there, Big Cat PFT and the guy who literally can't get the lottery ball. Oh. If you had to follow Wendy's rule of five dinner, what four recurring guests would you invite? Dead or alive? Rest in peace, Tommy Lasorda.

Oh, this is good question. Hmm. Are we doing this as a team? Or is it your personal? I think we got to do it as a team. Jeannie Bouchard. I think we gotta do as a team. All right, bonk put on the bonk list. Paige Brannock.

Bonk list. All right. Fauci. Fauci. John Cena. This is tough. And Dak. This is tough. Yeah, this is. Because you don't want to do, you want to do guess that would normally not mix. So like you wouldn't want to have, I love Rossella and SVP, but if you brought both

of them, it's like, okay They're just gonna talk about you know their show and their history Like I want to have I want to have all other four people be introduced for the first time with each other It might be Matt Damon. It might yeah, he'd be fun I it might be recency bias, but I think that Bill Raftery would be great Great call Bill Raftery and walk a great dinner guest. Bill Raftery and Waka Flocka Flame. Those are my first two. Have we had Waka Flocka Flame on the show?

We didn't? No. I thought that we did. Is it beer games? Yes, we did. Oh, we did, yeah. You talked about the deaf sign language. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah. We had Flak. Flex. JLC. JLC. JLC Bill Raftery's a really good one, too. Dead or alive he said. Tiffany Gomez. Good pick. Bill Walton. Bill Walton would be great. Bill Walton would be awesome. Bill Walton. And then John Cena. You can just leave a chair open. It's true. Yeah, that's a good question though

It's so hard like what would be the best? We should make a graphic where it's like pick anymore rush more. No, I'm oh That we've done that and it hurt you heard a lot of feelings But we know I know is recurring guess you were about to pick jewels this time, right? Yeah, we stopped it pick It's for a dinner party, right, but I would like to see what the oh, I got the last one what Joey chestnut Oh Little dinner show a lot. Yeah, I would we should do the the meme where it's like you get to pick someone at your lunch Table and it's like different categories so you could put like s you got to pick one of SVP or solo Herb Street or whatever, you know, as basketball players and it's so

let's do that. The vending machine should have SVP next to it. Yeah. Yeah. Big Cat. Just Yeah. Okay. Who in the crew would you trust most babysit your kids for a weekend? Oh boy. Oh boy. PFT is getting ready to buy some beers. Oh boy. I weirdly I weirdly might say Max one. Yeah. I maybe I think you would be two PFT. You're one or two PFT. It's either you or Max. That's a guarantee. Yeah. I maybe either you would be two pft your one or two pft. It's either you or max. That's a guarantee. I think I would be respectful. No, no, I think you'd be very good. It's not you. You sometimes forget things that that might. It was more that I don't. It's not a knock on you in terms of wasn't there a girl. Yeah, right. Like

there's a girl one right here. So be your max one or two max would be Maybe remember things more. I think you'd be more fun Then Hank three just cuz I think he would take it very serious. I don't know though. Hey, we have to golf There might be a lot of texts like What's where's the bottle memes my kids would just watch TV all weekend They wouldn't do shit. Is that fair beams? Uh, no, we do stuff like what I'll go to the park. Okay. All right I think the kids would love having memes come or he'd come in with like six televisions. Yeah, so many TVs Shane by far last

TV Shane by far last. Pug you'd be in there so I'm gonna go final answer. PFT one Max two. Then we're going to go like draft like McShay did PFT Max one one and two. So I'll say PFT one Max two. Those are my blue chippers. Then there's a big drop off. Hank then there's a really big drop off. Pug memes. Then there's enormous drop off shit.

Jack's not even in the equation. Jack and I are beefing right now. Okay. I walked out and it smelled like shit in the kitchen and I was like, why does it smell like like fish again and Donnie was like, it smells like beef. And Jack was playing ping pong. He plays ping pong. He's actually a professional ping pong player. That's how he does every day. Is he he plays all the time. He's even come sniffed feeding and Jack just out of nowhere just goes, I don't think it smells that bad. And I just turned him I said, Jack, listen, your only jobs here are to play ping pong and agree with everything I say. And he's like, okay.

And then he went back to playing ping pong. Any smell can smell disgusting if you're not ready for it. Yeah. It was a new smell that I came out. You had been baked in it, Jack. Unexpected smells. It could be a gourmet steak. And if you're not, if you don't see it coming, you're like, what died in here?

Yeah. Jack, do you think you could babysit my kids? If you asked me to, yes. Yeah. Jack, do you think you could babysit my kids? Uh, if you asked me to yes. Okay. But what about you going out with the cool kid club here? I would take a day off. Okay. One day that's this dude. The question was a weekend as long as you need. All right. So Jack, Jack's above Shane. Thank you. You upset with that ranking? Yeah. Why you thought you should be ahead of max of PFT? I don't know what max has a dog, girlfriend. I don't know dog. Okay. You had a dog. What do you have? Spiders? Not anymore. So you let your spiders die. The dog is still alive.

The dog is still alive. I think if you had a dog, you'd be up there. It's just like having a dog, I think, puts you immediately, you're halfway there. You are a dog. Okay. Yeah, you are a dog. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Did any of you guys go into an interview

with little to no expectations and come out of it really liking or having a new found respect for the guest? The Tony Hale interview you did a few years ago back did that very thing for me hmm Tony Hale oh Yeah, yeah, Buster blue. Yeah I like I would say I mean see yeah, Jesse is the easy number one JLC is the number one We didn't even want to take the interview and they were like come on

He's good and we're like all right fine, and then it became our best friend. We're like wait That's the guy that's married to Rebecca Romaine? Yeah. Maybe we can meet her. Maybe he'll give us some pictures. Yeah. Has there been any other?

Because we always say J.O.C. I really like Julius Randall. Yes. Didn't I like to expect from that Palo? I liked Palo a lot. Palo was good. I mean, old school Joe Buck, I think we always thought we would get along with Joe Buck.

But it was, who knows? Because we didn't know if the if he was gonna be Like the best and he was the best. I thought that Chris long was a piece of shit until he was on the show Yeah, I was like, yeah, I kind of respect him. Yeah Yeah, I'm trying to think if there's any others Hank. Can you think of any others? Gary Busey Gary Busey was very fun. Tom Frinelli, I thought he was a piece of shit. Mm-hmm, Martin Scrooley. Still might be.

Oh, because he stole all the takes from Hank. Yeah, he's stealing everything from Hank. Prisco is a prickly one that I think. Exactly what I expected. Yeah, but I think we're the only ones who like him. Yeah. Like, I don't think anyone likes listening to him. Yep. We just like listening to him. Which, guess what? It's our

show. Yeah, come up with your own show. Then you then you can ban Pete Prisco. I mean, another one would be Max Homa. We just knew Max is like a like, yeah, true quirky online guy. But we didn't know him personally, the first time that we had him on. Like he had he had I think talked to us via DMS like he played Warzone with Hank he and I had DMed a few times, but we didn't know we didn't know each other He came on the show and we're like, yeah, love this guy Brooks Yeah, Brooks Brooks is the first interview did with Brooks. We we were like, I can't remember

I got connected with one of his guys and he's like hey you ever want Brooks on like I guess we'll go do it cuz They were playing at the was the US open. No, PGA. US open. It was US open. And we're like, Yeah, we'll go interview him. And then we're like, shit, we love this guy. And then he ended up winning more and coming on all the time. So that was definitely one. Yep. Thought it would be a one and done. And it's become a someday we should relationship. We should get everyone like the day that we end this podcast, hopefully sign many years from now. But how many of these guys think we get in one room? Pretty cool. Would be. Mm hmm. Just have them

all together. All right. Is that it? Yeah. Good job. Thanks. Great job. You think you should have been two or one? No, no, I respect your judgment. Do you think you could take care of kids for an entire weekend? No. Right. But, Max, like, better than I just, I... Max is like a, he's like, he's basically Santa 24 seven. He is, he's a jolly big guy with a beard.

Yeah. Like kids like that. I mean, I've said it on this show, my kids are obsessed with when his I show him every time Max's butt comes out, which is a lot. His butt crack and they always are like my dad, my daughter's like, can I see Max's butt? Like Max is the funny guy. He's got a butt that comes out. Yeah, it's fair work to be done. Work to be

done. You're not gonna do anything Find your find your inner parent on the golf course work to be done. Mm-hmm All right a few girls that call you daddy though. Nope You're not a father but Fastest nope ever. All right. Good show, boys. Numbers. Three.

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